From owner-rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Fri Jan 5 16:52:26 2001 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:49:02 -0800 From: rockhounds-digest Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Subject: rockhounds-digest V1 #716 rockhounds-digest Friday, December 22 2000 Volume 01 : Number 716 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:47:58 -0800 From: John Teague Subject: Re: ebay stories & FEEDBACK Lanny, Think I did not make myself clear. In fact, I KNOW I did not. If an agreement was made before the bid was placed, to me, that is a contract that should be honored. My point was that I cannot see how a dealer of rough rocks can continue to make an offer such as this (letting them be totally cut and then offering a full refund). I admire (and maybe envy!) a dealer that can affort to do that! If no prior agreement was made, then the buyer has a $1 or $100 or whatever 'leaverite' in my opinion. No refund is justified. Now to add fuel to the fire! If a buyer agrees to the above terms of being able to cut the rock, and then finds that it is a totally killer piece, is he or she 'obligated' to pay the seller a little more for the rock? After all, it is MORE than was agreed upon! Just wondering. :-) How many dealers out there have had a customer come back and brag about the killer piece they got from you? I've heard several say about various sellers, " ... didn't know what they had ... " John Teague Knoxville, Tennessee "Lanny R. Ream" wrote: > John, > > Can't agree really with much of what you said. Especially in this case, RnL > stated that he made an email agreement with the seller (before the sale) > that he could cut the rock and if it was unsatisfactory, return if for a > full refund. The dealer backing out of that agreement is committing fraud; > the fact that it was an eBay auction doesn't change that fact at all. > > ... However, you have to know what you are buying. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:41:15 EST From: Rocknlight@aol.com Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 & Blame Ah Tim You really need to get your facts straight and not try and Subconsciously support your own archaic, dark ages and comparable E bay selling procedures and practices. It's nearly the year 2001 and people like you should sell items, in a civilized manner and not take the attitude of, oh well... you bid on the rock, stupid bidder and that's just what you get for bidding, too bad, NO REFUNDS, ha ha, the seller wins and the bidder looses and that is just the way it goes.... what a cocky attitude you have..... The way it goes... No matter how you cut it, is mean spirited fraud by the seller. When any seller has a bad attitude and blames the customer, as an excuse for the sellers bad behavior and the sellers bad rock material, that is despicable behavior !! My seller went back on his personal word to me of guaranteeing to refund money, even if slabs were cut, I think we all know what the truth is ultimately.. And it is crystal clear, at least now, why the seller has nothing in writing on his e bay site about any guarantees....!!! Also, from the e mails i got from the seller, the seller is a backwoods, belligerent and abusive ( MALE, ) named Mr. Dave - - - - - and is NOT a female, as you stealthily included in your post, not that a female should be cut any more or less slack anyway, business is business, period, it is not gender biased !!....... which I feel you may have been alluding to, for the sellers sympathy, shame on you... The seller, Mr. Dave - - - - , simply wants to HIDE behind his wife's E mail skirt, for whatever E bay marketing purposes, that is cowardly, in my opinion... I somewhat feel that, you too Tim Fisher, are hiding behind your own, seller biased attacking skirt, by your less than polite e mail to me.. Why....Well of course, Very Simply Put, you want to support your, less than outstanding rock selling practices, AT LEAST when they are (Compared) to someone like the person who offers a 100% full refund, no matter if the rock is cut up from end to end ... That e bay seller believes in himself and in his own self worth and in the truthful worth and VALUE, of ALL of his rock materials.. He is Not-- AFRAID - -- to offer good Guarantees and full refunds to his customers. In short, that sellers high standards and 100% customer satisfaction, simply puts some e bay sellers to SHAME and so it rightly should .... !!! Also, my more than one bid was done because my bidding was bounced out so many times in prior bids that, i did more than one bid in order to make sure it would go through and not get bounced out, not that its any of your business anyway Tim and truly, as you very well KNOW has NOTHING to do with the refunding money issue or the promise made and written guarantees issue, now does it !! .... >From your previous posts, it is obvious that, your opinion is ( too bad if a buyer gets a bad rock, it's his own damn fault for bidding and getting ripped off, it's not the sellers fault, for selling junk rock and then GUARANTEEING, to the bidder, a full refund if they don't like the rock. Your opinion is, from your e mails, too bad for the bidder for bidding and stupidly believing in the word of a seller.... You give the impression that, basically, you believe it is OK to take advantage of bidders and then blame the bidder for getting taken advantage of and not liking the rock material.. Your e mail post is a clear example of, who are you trying to convince Tim, us in the group, or YOU YOURSELF that, it has to be the buyers fault, for believing in someone's word and in not wanting to pay for lousy rock.. I think the later, predominately, I certainly will never be convinced of your less than honorable opinions..... Interesting attitude you have Tim... Thanks for the insight RnL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:52:58 EST From: Rocknlight@aol.com Subject: John FEEDBACK John Good Points... I fully understand the "envy," rationale : ) I could also easily say, if any seller is concerned about possibly selling off a killer whole rock, unknowingly, then that seller should simply slab up, any and all rocks, which he feels he might find such killer material.. Otherwise, just be happy with making a reasonable and fair profit, on fair and reasonable rock material, instead of trying making a killer profit, on junk rock....and be done with it.. Respectfully, RnL Thanks for your input John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:15:23 EST From: Rocknlight@aol.com Subject: Re:Lanny & FEEDBACK Lanny Thanks for fully reading and understanding my posts. If I had paid only $20 to $40 for the rock, I would not have made such an issue about this e bay transaction. But, since an e bay contest thread had already started within the group, prior to my ordeal and I went over the $100 mark with my expenses and the dealer was at first so friendly and cooperative, but then became abusive, it just pushed some of my buttons I guess... I felt violated, betrayed and defrauded. It is interesting to see, how a few may think that being violated, betrayed and defrauded by a seller, is simply the buyers own fault and full responsibility... Amazing world we live in sometimes. Take care Lanny & Happy Holidays RnL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:56:41 -0500 From: "Dan Z" Subject: Re: ebay stories & FEEDBACK - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Teague" To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 21:47 Subject: Re: ebay stories & FEEDBACK How many dealers out there have had a > customer come back and brag about the killer piece they got from you? Happens. I sold a piece of Maine '72 rubellite rough to a lapidary customer. >From it, he cut several CAT'S-EYE cabochons of great color. I didn't realize it was cat's-eye when I sold it, and so he got an even greater deal then either of us thought. But he never offered to pay the difference ! (I have one of the cabs for sale in my shop on commission right now - at many times the cost of the original piece of rough.) - -dan- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:09:52 -0800 From: "Ronald Schanfish" Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 & Blame Ah Rnl, I am afraid this one explains itself to anyone who wants to look at the actual transaction. Don't know either of you from Adam. Don't need to, to see who's problem this is! http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=513560473&ed=9759091 91 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 & Blame > Ah Tim > > You really need to get your facts straight and not try and Subconsciously > support your own archaic, dark ages and comparable E bay selling procedures > and practices. > > It's nearly the year 2001 and people like you should sell items, in a > civilized manner and not take the attitude of, oh well... you bid on the > rock, stupid bidder and that's just what you get for bidding, too bad, NO > REFUNDS, ha ha, the seller wins and the bidder looses and that is just the > way it goes.... what a cocky attitude you have..... > > The way it goes... No matter how you cut it, is mean spirited fraud by the > seller. > > When any seller has a bad attitude and blames the customer, as an excuse for > the sellers bad behavior and the sellers bad rock material, that is > despicable behavior !! > > My seller went back on his personal word to me of guaranteeing to refund > money, even if slabs were cut, I think we all know what the truth is > ultimately.. And it is crystal clear, at least now, why the seller has > nothing in writing on his e bay site about any guarantees....!!! > > Also, from the e mails i got from the seller, the seller is a backwoods, > belligerent and abusive ( MALE, ) named Mr. Dave - - - - - and is NOT a > female, as you stealthily included in your post, not that a female should be > cut any more or less slack anyway, business is business, period, it is not > gender biased !!....... which I feel you may have been alluding to, for the > sellers sympathy, shame on you... > > The seller, Mr. Dave - - - - , simply wants to HIDE behind his wife's E mail > skirt, for whatever E bay marketing purposes, that is cowardly, in my > opinion... > > I somewhat feel that, you too Tim Fisher, are hiding behind your own, seller > biased attacking skirt, by your less than polite e mail to me.. > > Why....Well of course, Very Simply Put, you want to support your, less than > outstanding rock selling practices, AT LEAST when they are (Compared) to > someone like the person who offers a 100% full refund, no matter if the rock > is cut up from end to end ... > > That e bay seller believes in himself and in his own self worth and in the > truthful worth and VALUE, of ALL of his rock materials.. He is Not-- AFRAID > -- to offer good Guarantees and full refunds to his customers. > > In short, that sellers high standards and 100% customer satisfaction, simply > puts some e bay sellers to SHAME and so it rightly should .... !!! > > Also, my more than one bid was done because my bidding was bounced out so > many times in prior bids that, i did more than one bid in order to make sure > it would go through and not get bounced out, not that its any of your > business anyway Tim and truly, as you very well KNOW has NOTHING to do with > the refunding money issue or the promise made and written guarantees issue, > now does it !! .... > > >From your previous posts, it is obvious that, your opinion is ( too bad if a > buyer gets a bad rock, it's his own damn fault for bidding and getting ripped > off, it's not the sellers fault, for selling junk rock and then GUARANTEEING, > to the bidder, a full refund if they don't like the rock. > > Your opinion is, from your e mails, too bad for the bidder for bidding and > stupidly believing in the word of a seller.... > > You give the impression that, basically, you believe it is OK to take > advantage of bidders and then blame the bidder for getting taken advantage of > and not liking the rock material.. > > Your e mail post is a clear example of, who are you trying to convince Tim, > us in the group, or YOU YOURSELF that, it has to be the buyers fault, for > believing in someone's word and in not wanting to pay for lousy rock.. I > think the later, predominately, I certainly will never be convinced of your > less than honorable opinions..... > > Interesting attitude you have Tim... Thanks for the insight > > > RnL > ################################################################# > # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # > # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # > # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # > ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:28:18 -0800 From: "Ronald Schanfish" Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 & Blame Ah Rnl, I am afraid this one explains itself to anyone who wants to look at the actual transaction. Don't know either of you from Adam. Don't need to, to see who's problem this is! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=513560473&ed=97590919 1 http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=513560473&ed=9759091 91 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 & Blame > Ah Tim > > You really need to get your facts straight and not try and Subconsciously > support your own archaic, dark ages and comparable E bay selling procedures > and practices. > > It's nearly the year 2001 and people like you should sell items, in a > civilized manner and not take the attitude of, oh well... you bid on the > rock, stupid bidder and that's just what you get for bidding, too bad, NO > REFUNDS, ha ha, the seller wins and the bidder looses and that is just the > way it goes.... what a cocky attitude you have..... > > The way it goes... No matter how you cut it, is mean spirited fraud by the > seller. > > When any seller has a bad attitude and blames the customer, as an excuse for > the sellers bad behavior and the sellers bad rock material, that is > despicable behavior !! > > My seller went back on his personal word to me of guaranteeing to refund > money, even if slabs were cut, I think we all know what the truth is > ultimately.. And it is crystal clear, at least now, why the seller has > nothing in writing on his e bay site about any guarantees....!!! > > Also, from the e mails i got from the seller, the seller is a backwoods, > belligerent and abusive ( MALE, ) named Mr. Dave - - - - - and is NOT a > female, as you stealthily included in your post, not that a female should be > cut any more or less slack anyway, business is business, period, it is not > gender biased !!....... which I feel you may have been alluding to, for the > sellers sympathy, shame on you... > > The seller, Mr. Dave - - - - , simply wants to HIDE behind his wife's E mail > skirt, for whatever E bay marketing purposes, that is cowardly, in my > opinion... > > I somewhat feel that, you too Tim Fisher, are hiding behind your own, seller > biased attacking skirt, by your less than polite e mail to me.. > > Why....Well of course, Very Simply Put, you want to support your, less than > outstanding rock selling practices, AT LEAST when they are (Compared) to > someone like the person who offers a 100% full refund, no matter if the rock > is cut up from end to end ... > > That e bay seller believes in himself and in his own self worth and in the > truthful worth and VALUE, of ALL of his rock materials.. He is Not-- AFRAID > -- to offer good Guarantees and full refunds to his customers. > > In short, that sellers high standards and 100% customer satisfaction, simply > puts some e bay sellers to SHAME and so it rightly should .... !!! > > Also, my more than one bid was done because my bidding was bounced out so > many times in prior bids that, i did more than one bid in order to make sure > it would go through and not get bounced out, not that its any of your > business anyway Tim and truly, as you very well KNOW has NOTHING to do with > the refunding money issue or the promise made and written guarantees issue, > now does it !! .... > > >From your previous posts, it is obvious that, your opinion is ( too bad if a > buyer gets a bad rock, it's his own damn fault for bidding and getting ripped > off, it's not the sellers fault, for selling junk rock and then GUARANTEEING, > to the bidder, a full refund if they don't like the rock. > > Your opinion is, from your e mails, too bad for the bidder for bidding and > stupidly believing in the word of a seller.... > > You give the impression that, basically, you believe it is OK to take > advantage of bidders and then blame the bidder for getting taken advantage of > and not liking the rock material.. > > Your e mail post is a clear example of, who are you trying to convince Tim, > us in the group, or YOU YOURSELF that, it has to be the buyers fault, for > believing in someone's word and in not wanting to pay for lousy rock.. I > think the later, predominately, I certainly will never be convinced of your > less than honorable opinions..... > > Interesting attitude you have Tim... Thanks for the insight > > > RnL > ################################################################# > # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # > # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # > # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # > ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:45:53 EST From: Rocknlight@aol.com Subject: Ronald FEEDBACK & 2001 & Blame Ronald I'm not sure what you are alluding to, except that I get the feeling, you may be attempting to be sneaky here and use scapegoat tactics, in order to prove some false opinion you have, by using any excuses that, block the main truth.. The truthful issue is and still remains, that the seller gave me a written guarantee and his own personal e mail word that, before I accepted the rock, he would allow me to cut a few slabs from the material. I insisted on this term and he accepted it, in order to see if it was a Kentucky and if it was, to see whether the rock was worth my $ 100 investment. Tim Fisher, NOT ( Adam ) whomever, [ Read more carefully to get facts straight ] and people with Fishers attitude, purposely search out excuses and scapegoats / meandering off the point subjects, in order to take the bright light off of the REAL ISSUES and truths ..? The real issue and truth is that, the seller made a promise to me that, I could cut slabs, to see the true identity and value of the rock. When i discovered the rock was basically worthless, well, to be honest, actually worth about $5-10 max.. the seller then told me no way, no refund, because he said he wanted to re-list it e bay again, with the Kentucky agate species name, but since i reveled it as not being a Kentucky, he went back on his word about everything. Nothing else matters, not any excuses, except the fact that the seller went back on his word. That is the one and only true issue, in all of this ..Period ! I know the reason that some are getting flustered, is because they want to continue selling rock into the new century, with the same old barn yard, garage sale, tailgate business practices, where the seller says, ya gets what ya gets and that's it ! Well, there is new honorable breed of sellers in town, sellers who sell good rock and who guarantee the rock is worth at least the money you paid for it or more. And those sellers will refund your money in full, even if you cut up some slabs. Those are the sellers I will buy the most from, from now on !! I just think Tim and some other sellers, may be a little threatened and afraid of having to stand by there rock materials and fully guarantee their rocks worthy values. It realize it was so much easier just selling a rock and then treating the sale like it was some old timers 50 cent grab bags.... ya get what ya get and that it... Today, more than ever, we all need to welcome in a better way of doing business overall......Instead of searching for any excuses, as to why a ripped off bidder, or any buyer for that matter, deserves to be ripped off, how childish ... RnL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:52:03 EST From: Rocknlight@aol.com Subject: Re: Ronald & Adam Ronald I just reread you post more carefully, i must be getting tired of all this I concede on the Adam name thing hahah you definitely got me on that one .. I totally apologize to you.. It was I, who should have also read your post more carefully, to get the Adam connotation correct.. I need to get off this mind sucking machine .. Sorry again about the Adam name mistake, my fault .. RnL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:33:20 EST From: MrMineral555@aol.com Subject: Ebay auctions I will never use Ebay again!!!!! I had my first bad experience from Ebay auctions a couple of weeks ago when i bid on a rock and it wasn't what the photo indicated. I told the guy that he sent the wrong rock and he said no it wasn't the wrong specimen and that i was looking at it wrong. I turned it over and sideways and emailed him back and said it wasnt the right rock again and he wrote me back and called me every dirty name in the book. He said i was a blanking jackass and that i had some blanking nerve to question his abilities as a rock dealer and that i knew where i could stick the specimen. I've never had anyone talk to me that way before and i don't tolerate it from anyone. I was shocked that a dealer with customers would act that way to one of his clients. I emailed Ebay and complained about the guy but havent heard anything back. From now on i plan to stay away from Ebay auction and only go to the good rock auctions on internet rock dealer websites. I like the auction at trinity minerals and the big rock auction at the mineral gallery the best but i am going to try all of them. These guys are professional and very responsive to their customers and when i go to business websites i feel i have more recourse instead of just anyone at anywhere like on Ebay. Anyone else feel this way? How do i get Ebay to check out that other dealer? Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:49:19 -0500 From: "Keith Hayes" Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 There something really disturbing about this note from Tim, and it's not just the incongruence of him using the phrase "IMHO" :) ! (Sorry, I couldn't resist - I will admit that Tim makes many good points, but I there is one big problem with his stance.) I think RnL hit on this earlier, many people are scared to give honest feedback on EBay. (what if this big seller nukes me? I'm just a little buyer, etc.) This is wrong! If someone gives you a bad transaction, be honest and let people know. Effective feedback is a combination of good and bad. It's no fun to hear that you didn't do something right, but if you never hear it, you never get a chance to improve. And doggone it, think about that platinum cube. That seller misrepresented something badly, then acted badly when being called on it. He had well over a hundred positive comments which aren't enough to excuse him screwing over a buyer. If we follow Tim's rule, the buyer should suffer in silence because many others are happy. I guess bottom line is that sellers and buyers should operate on the golden rule: do your best to treat others fairly on the auction site as that is how you wish to be treated. And be honest, we all benefit from it. Happy Holidays, Keith Hayes -- KQ's Minerals Kqhayes@Home.com WWW.KQMINERALS.COM 1516 Sixth Street Bay City, MI 48708 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Fisher To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Re E bay FEEDBACK & 2001 > OK I bit and looked at the auction. IMHO you were expecting way too much. > The pictures could have been of a piece of sedimentary rock with squiggles > on it for all I can tell. The seller clearly stated she did not know if it > was Kentucky agate or not. It doesn't look like any kind of quality cutting > agate from the pics. Personally, I would never have bid on it. There is no > refund policy stated in the listing. From the bids you left and times > posted, you sniped it anyway. What did you do, use sniping software? 4 bids > in the last 5 seconds before it closed? I feel for this seller. Do you > think she had a perfect feedback record with 314 positive comments because > she rips people off? You ruined that record for her and advertised for her > competition to boot. Shame on you. IMHO you owe her a big apology. > > On 01:15 PM 12/22/00, Rocknlight@aol.com Said: > >John & ONE & ALL > > > >I perfectly understand your point, regarding some customers... > > > >However, you are comparing apples and oranges... > > > >Furthermore, it is almost the year 2001 and selling and buying "rocks," has > >become much more sophisticated, upstanding and very (expensive) and as such, > >selling and purchasing practices, should obviously keep up with the times... > > > >Rock Shows, whereby a person physically attends and is able to actually pick > >up the rock, wet it down, view other comparable material in any sellers stock > >and view the other dealers stock and is seeing all the materials first hand, > >up close and personal, is a very different story than buying on the net... > > > >Also, most buyers can get, at least somewhat, of a personal opinion feeling, > >from the seller at a show, through facial expressions, body language and TONE > >of voice etc... as to whether the dealer in question, is a scoundrel, a > >swindler and a liar, simply by talking with the dealer and asking him or her > >pertinent questions and watching their responses, up close and personal.... > >!! > > > >No one can do that 100% through any e mails... > > > >As i said before, there is at least one dealer on E bay that, feels confident > >enough about ALL the materials that he sells, that he offers, in writing, a > >100% money back guarantee, on ALL of his materials, EVEN IF YOU CUT IT UP > >100% and you cut it up any way you like...... > > > >This would be fine in 99% of anyone's honest rock sales, if the materials > >being sold, were truthfully being represented and worthy of the price bei ng > >sold for, PERIOD... > > > >Yes, i do fully understand that, there is that small 1%, who don't know how > >to cut up rocks, to a certain standard and those who will take advantage of > >good guarantees, but they would be few and far between and you NEVER have to > >sell to them again.. > > > >Moreover, It just seems so very very Obvious to me that, the Tremendous > >amount of GAINS, TO ANY SELLERS BUSINESS, by more customers wanting to do > >business, with someone who 100% guarantees their materials, overall, cut up > >or not, would VERY CLEARLY, far outweigh the few incidents of any possible > >"improper cutting." > > > > > >Sometimes I buy a nice packaged box of Cookies, simply because the outside > >rind crust picture looks colorful and promising and the cookies weight, is > >solid and heavy. > > > >But what happens then, if I of course cut the box open to see what is inside, > >only to find fractured up cookies that, have poor color and a bad taste ? I > >can't even use them for anything, not even small "C A B" CRUMBS on a pie. > > > >Well, then, I have no problem returning such "Cookie Material," for a full > >refund and the seller should have no problem refunding me, all of money, in > >full. > > > >As a matter of fact, I just did this about 3 weeks ago, with some cookies I > >purchased at a Ralphs store............ > > > >Rock store dealers, should be no different at all...! > > > > > >HAPPY HOLIDAYS > > > >RnL > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > ################################################################# > # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # > # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # > # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # > ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:44:37 -0500 From: "Keith Hayes" Subject: we have a winner Folks, I've seen some really tough contenders but I think the winner of the ebay buyer suffering contest is RnL. I can feel the pain. If he wants to contact me off the list, I will send him some Lake Superior Agates in commiseration of his bad experience absolutely free of charge. This has been an interesting discussion and I hope no one has given up on EBay completely. I would like to think that several of us offer decent specimens with honest descriptions and treat our buyers fairly. The contest's goal was mostly to show how their is important information hidden amongst the feedback. (It was also meant to provide some entertainment too.) Anyway, good luck on the bidding and best wishes for the holidays. Keith Hayes -- KQ's Minerals Search for my ebay items by seller kqh1 Kqhayes@Home.com WWW.KQMINERALS.COM 1516 Sixth Street Bay City, MI 48708 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:57:37 -0800 From: "Dawn Fredricks" Subject: Timely Ebay Stuff This thread has been quite interesting. Up until now I have had many positive Ebay transactions. I just bid on some really cheap Ginsu knives. It was a dutch aution and I bought 2 sets. I rec'd a email from the seller saying she had been informed that they were not really Ginsu and that she would refund everyone's money. I have already rec'd my refund by the time I had read the email. There must be an attorney or two in on the auction because they either want her to get real Ginsu knives, or refund every triple the amount of money. I am find with a refund, I think these folks are taking this a little too far. After all, she was unfront as soon as she knew, and I didn't really think I was getting a real set for the price of $.01 ea. dawnf@qwest.net ------------------------------ End of rockhounds-digest V1 #716 ******************************** ################################################################# # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # # to with the following keys: # # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # # rockhounds@drizzle.com | http://callisto.golder.com/rockhoundz# #################################################################