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From owner-rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Sun Jul 23 14:59:58 2000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:49:03 -0700 From: rockhounds-digest Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Subject: rockhounds-digest V1 #459 rockhounds-digest Tuesday, May 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 459 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:43:02 -0700 From: "kentnorwood" Subject: Re: info This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFC4A3.AB89A060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pergamena ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carlini Rossano=20 To: HABERT Bertrand 157221=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: info Rossano carlini wrote: We are pleased to inform all mineral collectors that the web site = www.e-mineralshow.com has been updated. There are new minerals from = Romania and Poona (India) and some others; very soon new pages will be = added ("special offer", "fossils", "images" and "shows"). In our web site you can find very important samples of solphur from = the old Cozzodisi mine (Agrigento, Sicily) closed since 1984. Also are = high quality samples of Phosgenite and Anglesite (some are Museum = quality) from old Monteponi mine (Sardinia) closed since 25 years ago, = and in the pages "others" you can find the best speciemens of the mines = of Baia Sprie, Cavnic, Baiut, Sasar, .... (Romania). There are other = pages with particular minerals: top samples, vulcanic minerals = (Vesuvius, Vetralla, Pitigliano, ....) and typical italian localities = (Tuscany, Alps, ...). We like to inform that www.e-mineralshow.com is a web site specialized = on minerals, operating in Internet from two yearswith a big engagement = of force: graphic, images, technical, choice of samples... So we pray = you to attention on people that could use our web name or similar. We are four friends, all collectors and seekers of minerals since = thirty years, each one specialized in different collections. We assume = you to offer always the best minerals at the best prices.=20 We thank you for your attention and your kind interest in our web = site, we are sure that also in the future you well find here the samples = you are lookink for. web master Rossano Carlini - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFC4A3.AB89A060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pergamena

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Carlini=20 Rossano

To: HABERT=20 Bertrand 157221

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 = 9:52 AM

Subject: info

Rossano carlini=20 wrote:

We = are pleased to=20 inform all mineral collectors that the web site www.e-mineralshow.com has = been=20 updated. There are new minerals from Romania and Poona (India) and = some=20 others; very soon new pages will be added ("special offer", "fossils", = "images" and "shows").

In = our web site you=20 can find very important samples of solphur from the old Cozzodisi mine = (Agrigento, Sicily) closed since 1984. Also are high quality samples = of=20 Phosgenite and Anglesite (some are Museum quality) from old Monteponi = mine=20 (Sardinia) closed since 25 years ago, and in the pages "others" you = can find=20 the best speciemens of the mines of Baia Sprie, Cavnic, Baiut, Sasar, = ....=20 (Romania). There are other pages with particular minerals: top = samples,=20 vulcanic minerals (Vesuvius, Vetralla, Pitigliano, ....) and typical = italian=20 localities (Tuscany, Alps, ...).

We = like to inform=20 that www.e-mineralshow.com is a web = site specialized on minerals, operating in Internet from two yearswith = a big=20 engagement of force: graphic, images, technical, choice of samples... = So we=20 pray you to attention on people that could use our web name or = similar.

We = are four=20 friends, all collectors and seekers of minerals since thirty years, = each one=20 specialized in different collections. We assume you to offer always = the best=20 minerals at the best prices.

We = thank you for=20 your attention and your kind interest in our web site, we are sure = that also=20 in the future you well find here the samples you are lookink for.

web = master

Rossano Carlini

- ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFC4A3.AB89A060-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:43:08 -0700 From: "kentnorwood" Subject: Re: info This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFC4A3.AF559C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pergamena ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carlini Rossano=20 To: Rapaccini Simone=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: I: info Rossano carlini wrote: We are pleased to inform all mineral collectors that the web site = www.e-mineralshow.com has been updated. There are new minerals from = Romania and Poona (India) and some others; very soon new pages will be = added ("special offer", "fossils", "images" and "shows"). In our web site you can find very important samples of solphur from = the old Cozzodisi mine (Agrigento, Sicily) closed since 1984. Also are = high quality samples of Phosgenite and Anglesite (some are Museum = quality) from old Monteponi mine (Sardinia) closed since 25 years ago, = and in the pages "others" you can find the best speciemens of the mines = of Baia Sprie, Cavnic, Baiut, Sasar, .... (Romania). There are other = pages with particular minerals: top samples, vulcanic minerals = (Vesuvius, Vetralla, Pitigliano, ....) and typical italian localities = (Tuscany, Alps, ...). We like to inform that www.e-mineralshow.com is a web site specialized = on minerals, operating in Internet from two yearswith a big engagement = of force: graphic, images, technical, choice of samples... So we pray = you to attention on people that could use our web name or similar. We are four friends, all collectors and seekers of minerals since = thirty years, each one specialized in different collections. We assume = you to offer always the best minerals at the best prices.=20 We thank you for your attention and your kind interest in our web = site, we are sure that also in the future you well find here the samples = you are lookink for. web master Rossano Carlini - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFC4A3.AF559C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pergamena

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Carlini=20 Rossano

To: Rapaccini Simone

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 = 10:00=20 AM

Subject: I: info

Rossano carlini wrote:

We are pleased to inform all mineral collectors that the web site = www.e-mineralshow.com has = been=20 updated. There are new minerals from Romania and Poona (India) and = some=20 others; very soon new pages will be added ("special offer", "fossils", = "images" and "shows").

In our web site you can find very important samples of solphur = from the=20 old Cozzodisi mine (Agrigento, Sicily) closed since 1984. Also are = high=20 quality samples of Phosgenite and Anglesite (some are Museum quality) = from old=20 Monteponi mine (Sardinia) closed since 25 years ago, and in the pages = "others"=20 you can find the best speciemens of the mines of Baia Sprie, Cavnic, = Baiut,=20 Sasar, .... (Romania). There are other pages with particular minerals: = top=20 samples, vulcanic minerals (Vesuvius, Vetralla, Pitigliano, ....) and = typical=20 italian localities (Tuscany, Alps, ...).

We like to inform that www.e-mineralshow.com is a = web site=20 specialized on minerals, operating in Internet from two yearswith a = big=20 engagement of force: graphic, images, technical, choice of samples... = So we=20 pray you to attention on people that could use our web name or = similar.

We are four friends, all collectors and seekers of minerals since = thirty=20 years, each one specialized in different collections. We assume you to = offer=20 always the best minerals at the best prices.

We thank you for your attention and your kind interest in our web = site,=20 we are sure that also in the future you well find here the samples you = are=20 lookink for.

web master

Rossano Carlini

- ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFC4A3.AF559C80-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:44:25 -0500 From: " The Dalys" Subject: Re: Christmas mine, CA, USA This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFC4BD.029140C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It sounds like you are talking about the Christmas Mine in Arizona, not = California. >From what little I know, the descriptions are fairly accurate. One species you didn't mention, if this is in fact the Arizona locality, = is Dioptase- probably the most attractive species from that mine. Jim Daly ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dillen=20 To: Rockhounds=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:28 AM Subject: Christmas mine, CA, USA Hi all, =20 This time I need your help for the identification of various species = found in the Christmas mine, CA, USA. Over the years I bought (in Tucson and via mail orders) quite an = impressive number of Christmas mine specimens, and the more I look at = them, the more I am in doubt wether all identifications are correct. I = would like to avoid too much X-ray and/or microprobe work, and I would = appreciate some help in the visual identification of those minerals, at = least if that is possible. =20 1. The dark blue minerals : I'll describe as I THINK it is ; = correct me if I'm wrong : =20 kinoite : cornflower-blue platy microcrystals, striated in the longest = direction. Aggregates more or les randomly, sometimes more or less = spherical. Also indivudual crystals from time to time, mostly burried = under a sheet of apophyllite-crystals. =20 stringhamite : cornflower-blue microcrystals, more prismatic than = kinoite. Much rarer than kinoite. In the only specimen I have associated = with colorless shiny platy to prismatic individual terminated crystals = (junitoite ??) ; the original label indicated "apophyllite", but I doubt = it (prismatic habitus !) =20 apachite : cornflower-blue (or perhaps somewhat darker) spherical = aggregates with little or no terminations. =20 2. On some kinoite specimens there is a rim of LIGHT-blue (no = greenish tinge) microcrystalline material on or around the kinoite, but = also elsewhere in vugs, with a powdery look (but it stays after = US-cleaning) that I cannot identify. Any ideas ? =20 3. How can you recognise junitoite and distinguish it from the = other white to colorless minerals such as poorly crystallised = apophyllite, wollastonite... ? =20 4. The most easy one is perhaps gilalite (pale-greenish nodules and = thiny crusts). =20 Did I overlook other important species ? Do my descriptions match = reality in your opinion ? I suggest to send your answers to the list rather than private, = because others might have the same or analoguous problems. Any help would be welcome ! Greetings, =20 Rik Dillen Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 770 6007 E-mail dillen@online.be Homepage : http://user.online.be/dillen/index.html >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and = more) >>> An own find on a Korean stamp >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org >>> The Dana errata page >>> The virtual quarry >>> and much more ! - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFC4BD.029140C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It sounds like you are talking about the Christmas = Mine in=20 Arizona, not California.

From what little I know, the descriptions are fairly = accurate.

One species you didn't mention, if this is in fact = the Arizona=20 locality, is Dioptase- probably the most attractive species from that=20 mine.

Jim Daly

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Dillen

To: Rockhounds

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 = 11:28=20 AM

Subject: Christmas mine, CA, = USA

Hi=20 all,

This time I = need your=20 help for the identification of various species found in the Christmas = mine,=20 CA, USA.

Over the = years I bought=20 (in Tucson and via mail orders) quite an impressive number of = Christmas mine=20 specimens, and the more I look at them, the more I am in doubt wether = all=20 identifications are correct. I would like to avoid too much X-ray = and/or=20 microprobe work, and I would appreciate some help in the visual = identification=20 of those minerals, at least if that is possible.

1. The=20 dark blue minerals : I'll describe as I THINK it is ; correct me if = I'm wrong=20 :

kinoite : = cornflower-blue=20 platy microcrystals, striated in the longest direction. Aggregates = more or les=20 randomly, sometimes more or less spherical. Also indivudual crystals = from time=20 to time, mostly burried under a sheet of=20 apophyllite-crystals.

stringhamite = :=20 cornflower-blue microcrystals, more prismatic than kinoite. Much rarer = than=20 kinoite. In the only specimen I have associated with colorless shiny = platy to=20 prismatic individual terminated crystals (junitoite ??) ; the original = label=20 indicated "apophyllite", but I doubt it (prismatic habitus=20 !)

apachite :=20 cornflower-blue (or perhaps somewhat darker) spherical aggregates with = little=20 or no terminations.

2. On=20 some kinoite specimens there is a rim of LIGHT-blue (no greenish = tinge)=20 microcrystalline material on or around the kinoite, but = also elsewhere in=20 vugs, with a powdery look (but it stays after US-cleaning) that I = cannot=20 identify. Any ideas ?

3. How=20 can you recognise junitoite and distinguish it from the other white to = colorless minerals such as poorly crystallised apophyllite, = wollastonite...=20 ?

4. The=20 most easy one is perhaps gilalite (pale-greenish nodules and thiny=20 crusts).

Did I = overlook other=20 important species ? Do my descriptions match reality in your opinion=20 ?

I suggest to = send your=20 answers to the list rather than private, because others might have the = same or=20 analoguous problems.

Any help = would be welcome=20 !

Greetings,

Rik Dillen

Doornstraat = 15

B-9170 =20 Sint-Gillis-Waas

Belgium

Tel. + 32 3 770 = 6007

E-mail dillen@online.be

=

Homepage : = http://user.online.be/di= llen/index.html

>>> = Belgian minerals=20 (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more)

>>> An = own find on a=20 Korean stamp

>>> = Exchange=20 list

Mineral = collector's=20 page

http://www.minerant.org

>>> The = Dana errata=20 page

>>> The = virtual=20 quarry

>>> and = much more=20 !

- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFC4BD.029140C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:58:38 -0700 From: "Cheryl" Subject: [ADV] Slabbing Material If you aren't interested in Ebay auctions, please delete now and my apologies for the intrusion. I have a really nice cabbing assortment on Ebay right now, closing on Sunday, 5/28. There's some really nice material in this assortment: BC Jade, "leopardite", wonderstone, blue tiger eye, Mexican Lace agate, "unknown" agate and rose quartz. In total, the material weighs almost a pound. Thanks for looking! Cheryl http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=340000985 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:09:29 EDT From: Jhbnyc@aol.com Subject: Ad: Mineral Update This is my monthly ad. This week's new minerals have been added to my web site at: http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/ Or John Betts - Fine Minerals New This Week: - - Elbaite tourmalines from Mt. Mica, Maine. - - Unusual copper specimens from Michigan. - - Fluorite from Thomaston Dam, Connecticut. - - Chrysoberyl from Witt Hill, Maine. - - Fluorapatite from Noyes Mt., Maine. - - Beryl from Wiley Mt., Maine. - - Unusual quartz crystals from the old State College, Pennsylvania locality. - - Elbaite tourmalines from Clark's Ledge, Massachusetts. - - Beautiful calcite twin from Joplin, Missouri. and many more... John Betts NY, NY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:59:20 +0200 From: Mark Holtkamp Subject: Re: Miller indices help Hi Ronnie, At 11:20 23-5-00 -0300, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I was just looking at a drawing of a heulandite crystal. It showed the >t, s, and m forms, among others. I can't seem to find what Miller >indices >these letters refer to. So my questions are: > >A) Can someone tell me what the Miller indices are? Probably not. You would need additional data to link these symbols to Miller indices. >B) Is there a good reference for such info? For older drawings (say, before the first world war), the 'Atlas der Krystallformen' by Victor Goldschmidt is an excellent reference. The Atlas might be hard to get your hands on, but there is also an edition on cd-rom with scans of all the tables and drawings. See http://www.uio.no/~hansjb/goldschmidt.htm >The reason I am asking is that I collected some very unusual (at least >for the Bay of Fundy) heulandite crystals over the weekend. It seems >like the m form dominates the crytal and the b face is reduced to the >tiniest sliver. As well, the c face is stepped, producing a rounded >look. If m is the dominant form, it's probably {010}. In this case m would be parallel to the cleavage plane. However, I can't find the combination of letters you mentioned in Goldschmidt's table with m={010}. Could you give more info on the shape of these crystals? Or put the drawing on your homepage? >I want to generate an ideal drawing of the crystal to verify my >thoughts. > >Thanks, >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > Mark Holtkamp ------------------------------ End of rockhounds-digest V1 #459 ******************************** ################################################################# # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # # to with the following keys: # # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # # rockhounds@drizzle.com | http://callisto.golder.com/rockhoundz# #################################################################