From owner-rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Sun Jul 23 15:01:32 2000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:49:02 -0700 From: rockhounds-digest Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Subject: rockhounds-digest V1 #469 rockhounds-digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 469 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Fox Subject: [BOUNCE]RE: brief article: packing minerals for shipment From: "Ray Rodebaugh" To: Subject: RE: brief article: packing minerals for shipment Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bfca44$11c19770$8c2f898b@ccf.org> (snip) > Sadly, if no > guarantee was offered, I do not think one is obligated. Anout 95% of my > mail-order dealers are from this list and I believe all I have dealt > with have a satisfaction policy. > You know I am all for constructive criticism, but in this case a > negative eBay feedback will likely be met by the counter-argument that > he never offered any guarantee. > (snip) I think that one is obligated to deliver what is purchased. Say you ordered a book from Amazon.com, they just pasted a stamp and a mailing label on the book, and it arrived with 10% of the pages missing. Would you then say, oh well, it was a complete book when they mailed it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:30:31 -0700 From: Steven C Kaminski Subject: An opportunity the consider I have just returned from Greece and have had a wonderous trip. Thanks to those of you that helped me research my trip. I met Piet Gelaude while I was in Laurion. We visited Nuns at an Orthodox Monestary which was in the process of creating fresco paintings across the entire interior of the church. They've hired a famous French Byzantine icon painter for this important project. The Nuns make their own pigmant by using minerals, specifically azurite and red friable hematite. The Mother of the Monestary indicated that they incur rather expensive fees for purchasing these minerals. The thought occurred to me that this might be an opportunity for rockhounds to give something back by finding an inexpensive source for these materials. If anyone is interested, let me know. The crystalline and aggregate nature of the material is unimportant. Since the first thing they do with the material is grind it to a powder. The purity and color quality is important. Thanks Steve Kaminski ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:08:43 EDT From: ANNWB2@aol.com Subject: Re: need info Have seen the interest in halotrichite's type location, so went to the books as few modern databases do more than report the obvious. Dana's 2nd doesn't report halotrichite. Dana's 3rd and 4th put it under alunogen. Dana's and Brush's 5th edition (a major jump in detail of historical research; probably Brush's influence as Dana had been ill for some years) separates halotrichite from alunogen and notes the earliest recognizable halotrichite-like description was in Klaproth's Beitrage, v. 3, p. 1802 indicating it was an iron alum. Glocker apparently gave it a name - halotrichite - as the fashion of the day was to eliminate two word names, although in the original German the name was eisenalum. In the footnote, Dana's 5th says: "Another [analysis], from the original locality at Irtisch in the Altai, gave Klaproth (Beirtr., vi. 344) ..." This footnote is missing from Dana's (Edward's, not James') 6th and the locality is ignored. The problem may be that a re-examination of Klaproth's data might show that his material could not be reconciled with what was by then universally accepted as halotrichite. In essence, the mineral may have been misidentified by a later worker and the new definition was introduced unnoticed. Looks like an interesting detective story for someone with time on their hands and access to a good library or some friendly people willing to do "look ups" as the genealogists do for each other. In lieu of any real data, seems like Irtisch, Altai district, Russia is the type location for what was eventually called halotrichite. A reading of Glocker's Handbuch der Mineralogie, 2nd ed. of 1839 would be useful, but I don't have a copy. (Dana's 5th indicates the name appeared in Glocker's "Grundriss" (= outline), but does not show that reference in the references at the beginning of the book and I assume it's the Handbuch which contains the grundriss. Good luck! Van ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:04:15 -0700 From: "Lanny R. Ream" Subject: Re: Lolo Pass Collecting Information - Information Request Michael, Lolo Pass area (for those outside of the area: west of Missoula, Montana on the Idaho border) produces very little other than the smoky quartz. Occasionally there are some decent microcline crystals, some fair mica and rarely a small beryl or garnet. The area is quite green with good brush and tree cover, and moderate to deep soil. Many of the finds have been because of roadcuts. I'm not much for "just smoky quartz" so haven't really dug there, but mostly I hear that there is no real best spots. Most collectors apparently do have areas they like best. The collecting is along Granite Creek and its tributaries. There have been some finds on the Idaho side, but most have been in Montana. Lanny > Hi Group, I am considering a collecting trip to the Lolo Pass area. >I believe this is an area of miarolitic cavities with predominately smoky >quartz crystals in them. Does anybody have more information regarding >specific localities with higher concentrations of cavities? What >accessory minerals are there? What is the general collecting like? Is >there heavy brush and duff which tend to obscure pocket signs? Anybody >have a lead on road metal quarries in the area which may from time to >time intersect pockets? Frankly, any information at all would be >greatly appreciated, either on or off list. Sincerely Michael >enchanted@accessone.com ********************************************* Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of gem & mineral references and guides, Mineral News - with a new online edition, Mineral software: The Mineral Database and the Mineral-Periodical Index Visit our Web pages at http://www.mineralnews.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:34:22 +0200 From: "Dillen" Subject: Lavrion, Greece This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFCB2E.D750E3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that there are still copies of the famous book on the slag minerals of Lavrion, Greece (sometimes written as Laurion or Laurium) : "Laurion, the minerals in the ancient slags" by Piet Gelaude, Piet van Kalmthout, Christian Rewitzer. The book contains excellent photos of ALL 99 identified species, also the most extremely rare ones. Nearly 200 pp. I don't have the exact actual price, but it's not expensive (certainly not for those who pay in hard dollars...). Interested ? Just visit http://www.ou.nl/open/whu/laurion or send an email to Dr. Piet Van Kalmthout : mailto:p.vankalmthout@inter.nl.net Best regards, Rik Dillen Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 770 6007 E-mail dillen@online.be Homepage : http://user.online.be/dillen/index.html >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean stamp >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org >>> The Dana errata page >>> The virtual quarry >>> and much more ! - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFCB2E.D750E3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFCB2E.D750E3C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:39:46 -0700 From: Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us (Richard Trapp) Subject: Re: Lavrion, Greece This is definitely off-topic, but dark-colored letters on a black background just make me want to scream. I would really like to examine this URL, but I have to close the blinds in my office, shut the door, and turn off the light just to read the damn thing. Sorry, Rik, it's an extremely interesting subject and thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. I just wish the website was designed for dispensing information as opposed to satisfying someone's gothic fantasy.... > Dillen wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to let you know that there are still copies of the > famous book on the slag minerals of Lavrion, Greece (sometimes > written as Laurion or Laurium) : > "Laurion, the minerals in the ancient slags" by Piet Gelaude, Piet van > Kalmthout, Christian Rewitzer. The book contains excellent photos of > ALL 99 identified species, also the most extremely rare ones. Nearly > 200 pp. I don't have the exact actual price, but it's not expensive > (certainly not for those who pay in hard dollars...). > Interested ? Just visit > > http://www.ou.nl/open/whu/laurion > > or send an email to Dr. Piet Van Kalmthout : > mailto:p.vankalmthout@inter.nl.net > > Best regards, > > > Rik Dillen > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 770 6007 > E-mail dillen@online.be > > Homepage : http://user.online.be/dillen/index.html > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and > more) > >>> An own find on a Korean stamp > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page > http://www.minerant.org > >>> The Dana errata page > >>> The virtual quarry > >>> and much more ! > - -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:29:48 +0200 From: "herwig pelckmans" Subject: handling unreadable web pages (was: Lavrion, Greece) Hi Richard and others, Well, feel lucky! Not everybody has such beautiful "Arizona weather"! ;-) Indeed off topic, but since it is a mineral related site AND the same problem occurs frequently, I advise to do the following: Once the web page is charged, go with mouse pointer to the upper left of the web page. Then push the left mouse button and drag your pointer all the way to the lower right corner. The text an the web page will now be highlighted. I know this is not "the right way to enjoy web sites", but it is a quick way to see what's on an otherwise unreadable web page. It was a pleasure to meet you in Tucson, Richard. Hope to see you again next year. Sincerely, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Belgium (Europe) E-mail: herwig.pelckmans@pandora.be - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trapp To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Lavrion, Greece > This is definitely off-topic, but dark-colored letters on a black > background just make me want to scream. I would really like to examine > this URL, but I have to close the blinds in my office, shut the door, > and turn off the light just to read the damn thing. > > Sorry, Rik, it's an extremely interesting subject and thanks for > bringing it to everyone's attention. I just wish the website was > designed for dispensing information as opposed to satisfying someone's > gothic fantasy.... > > > > > Dillen wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I just wanted to let you know that there are still copies of the > > famous book on the slag minerals of Lavrion, Greece (sometimes > > written as Laurion or Laurium) : > > "Laurion, the minerals in the ancient slags" by Piet Gelaude, Piet van > > Kalmthout, Christian Rewitzer. The book contains excellent photos of > > ALL 99 identified species, also the most extremely rare ones. Nearly > > 200 pp. I don't have the exact actual price, but it's not expensive > > (certainly not for those who pay in hard dollars...). > > Interested ? Just visit > > > > http://www.ou.nl/open/whu/laurion > > > > or send an email to Dr. Piet Van Kalmthout : > > mailto:p.vankalmthout@inter.nl.net > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Rik Dillen > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 770 6007 > > E-mail dillen@online.be > > > > Homepage : http://user.online.be/dillen/index.html > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and > > more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean stamp > > >>> Exchange list > > > > Mineral collector's page > > http://www.minerant.org > > >>> The Dana errata page > > >>> The virtual quarry > > >>> and much more ! > > > > -- > Rick Trapp > Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey > Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us > ################################################################# > # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # > # to with the following keys: # > # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # > # To post, send mail to # > ################################################################# > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:37:03 EDT From: Jhbnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: Lavrion, Greece In a message dated 05/31/2000 12:50:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us writes: << dark-colored letters on a black background just make me want to scream. I would really like to examine this URL, but I have to close the blinds in my office, shut the door, and turn off the light just to read the damn thing. >> Are you aware your web browser can override ANY web page color scheme and use default colors? Email me off list, and tell me your browser and I will send instructions. John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:46:44 -0700 From: Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us (Richard Trapp) Subject: Re: handling unreadable web pages (was: Lavrion, Greece) Thanks, Herwig. That was a very helpful tip. See you next year. The TGMS Show theme will be Russian Minerals and Gem Art. We will be exhibiting three of the Faberge Imperial Easter Eggs and other Faberge creations from the Forbes Galleries in New York, as well as other Faberge objects from other collections and other Russian art objects and, of course, Russian minerals. The Forbes people say this will be the first time ever that these objects have been displayed in a non-museum setting. The expense and logistics is staggering, but it should be very interesting. Contrary to some advertisements the TGMS Show dates will be February 8-11, 2001. herwig pelckmans wrote: > > Hi Richard and others, > > Well, feel lucky! Not everybody has such beautiful "Arizona weather"! ;-) > > Indeed off topic, but since it is a mineral related site AND the same > problem occurs frequently, I advise to do the following: > Once the web page is charged, go with mouse pointer to the upper left of the > web page. > Then push the left mouse button and drag your pointer all the way to the > lower right corner. > The text an the web page will now be highlighted. > I know this is not "the right way to enjoy web sites", but it is a quick way > to see what's on an otherwise unreadable web page. > > It was a pleasure to meet you in Tucson, Richard. Hope to see you again next > year. > > Sincerely, Herwig > > Herwig Pelckmans > Worldwide Mineral Collector > Belgium (Europe) > E-mail: herwig.pelckmans@pandora.be > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Trapp > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Lavrion, Greece > > > This is definitely off-topic, but dark-colored letters on a black > > background just make me want to scream. I would really like to examine > > this URL, but I have to close the blinds in my office, shut the door, > > and turn off the light just to read the damn thing. > > > > Sorry, Rik, it's an extremely interesting subject and thanks for > > bringing it to everyone's attention. I just wish the website was > > designed for dispensing information as opposed to satisfying someone's > > gothic fantasy.... > > > > > > > > > Dillen wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that there are still copies of the > > > famous book on the slag minerals of Lavrion, Greece (sometimes > > > written as Laurion or Laurium) : > > > "Laurion, the minerals in the ancient slags" by Piet Gelaude, Piet van > > > Kalmthout, Christian Rewitzer. The book contains excellent photos of > > > ALL 99 identified species, also the most extremely rare ones. Nearly > > > 200 pp. I don't have the exact actual price, but it's not expensive > > > (certainly not for those who pay in hard dollars...). > > > Interested ? Just visit > > > > > > http://www.ou.nl/open/whu/laurion > > > > > > or send an email to Dr. Piet Van Kalmthout : > > > mailto:p.vankalmthout@inter.nl.net > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Rik Dillen > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > Belgium > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 770 6007 > > > E-mail dillen@online.be > > > > > > Homepage : http://user.online.be/dillen/index.html > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and > > > more) > > > >>> An own find on a Korean stamp > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > Mineral collector's page > > > http://www.minerant.org > > > >>> The Dana errata page > > > >>> The virtual quarry > > > >>> and much more ! > > > > > > > -- > > Rick Trapp > > Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey > > Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us > > ################################################################# > > # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # > > # to with the following keys: # > > # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # > > # To post, send mail to # > > ################################################################# > > > > ################################################################# > # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # > # to with the following keys: # > # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # > # To post, send mail to # > ################################################################# - -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:58:26 -0400 From: "Bobo" Subject: RE: Lavrion, Greece Hmmm...I find pages like this a welcome and soothing departure from the norm. Definitely "feels" better than most of the harsh and glaring offerings which parade across my CRT daily, and the 'lack of background' makes for a faster-loading page! ... SOME folks only bother to post when they have a negatively anal retort-----flame on, dick..... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com [mailto:owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Richard Trapp Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:40 PM To: rockhounds@drizzle.com Subject: Re: Lavrion, Greece This is definitely off-topic, but dark-colored letters on a black background just make me want to scream. I would really like to examine this URL, but I have to close the blinds in my office, shut the door, and turn off the light just to read the damn thing. Sorry, Rik, it's an extremely interesting subject and thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. I just wish the website was designed for dispensing information as opposed to satisfying someone's gothic fantasy.... > Dillen wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to let you know that there are still copies of the > famous book on the slag minerals of Lavrion, Greece (sometimes > written as Laurion or Laurium) : > "Laurion, the minerals in the ancient slags" by Piet Gelaude, Piet van > Kalmthout, Christian Rewitzer. The book contains excellent photos of > ALL 99 identified species, also the most extremely rare ones. Nearly > 200 pp. I don't have the exact actual price, but it's not expensive > (certainly not for those who pay in hard dollars...). > Interested ? Just visit > > http://www.ou.nl/open/whu/laurion > > or send an email to Dr. Piet Van Kalmthout : > mailto:p.vankalmthout@inter.nl.net > > Best regards, > > > Rik Dillen > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 770 6007 > E-mail dillen@online.be > > Homepage : http://user.online.be/dillen/index.html > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and > more) > >>> An own find on a Korean stamp > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page > http://www.minerant.org > >>> The Dana errata page > >>> The virtual quarry > >>> and much more ! > - -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us ################################################################# # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # # to with the following keys: # # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # # To post, send mail to # ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:23:51 -0700 From: Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us (Richard Trapp) Subject: Re: Lavrion, Greece Another good tip. Thanks. Jhbnyc@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 05/31/2000 12:50:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us writes: > > << dark-colored letters on a black > background just make me want to scream. I would really like to examine > this URL, but I have to close the blinds in my office, shut the door, > and turn off the light just to read the damn thing. >> > > Are you aware your web browser can override ANY web page color scheme and use > default colors? Email me off list, and tell me your browser and I will send > instructions. > > John Betts > www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com > ################################################################# > # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # > # to with the following keys: # > # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # > # To post, send mail to # > ################################################################# - -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey Trapp_Richard@pop.state.az.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:18:00 -0400 From: Don Subject: Re: [BOUNCE]RE: brief article: packing minerals for shipment > (snip) > > Sadly, if no > > guarantee was offered, I do not think one is obligated. Anout 95% of my > > mail-order dealers are from this list and I believe all I have dealt > > with have a satisfaction policy. > > You know I am all for constructive criticism, but in this case a > > negative eBay feedback will likely be met by the counter-argument that > > he never offered any guarantee. > > > (snip) > > I think that one is obligated to deliver what is purchased. > Say you ordered a book from Amazon.com, they just pasted > a stamp and a mailing label on the book, and it arrived > with 10% of the pages missing. Would you then say, > oh well, it was a complete book when they mailed it? Ray, Ethically, I agree. However, if a vendor offers no guarantee, I just don't think there is a legal recourse for reimbursement. But that is not my area of expertise and I'll leave the investigation of that statement to the motivated reader. Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:56:41 -0400 From: George Campbell Subject: Re: [BOUNCE]RE: brief article: packing minerals for shipment Message text written by INTERNET:rockhounds@drizzle.com >Ethically, I agree. However, if a vendor offers no guarantee, I just don't think there is a legal recourse for reimbursement. But that is not my area of expertise and I'll leave the investigation of that statement to the motivated reader.< Don, It has always been my policy to make a full refund or replacement of any specimen broken in shipment. It seems to me that a dealer who undertakes to ship specimens should be able to pack them safely for transport. It's not always easy, and a specimen occasionally does get broken, no matter how carefully it's packed. But...I believe it is the responsibility for a dealer to guarantee that specimens arrive safely. With proper packing, even the most delicate specimens can be shipped safely, but it takes experience to know just how to pack any given specimen. By the same token, if a customer returns a specimen, it should be packed as carefully as it was when sent by the dealer. Several times in the past five years, a returned specimen has been broken due to poor packing on the customer's part. For my business, I simply absorb such breakage, since it's not a common occurrence. Insurance is important, but collecting from the shipping company or Post Office is often more trouble than it's worth, unless the specimen is very valuable. I automatically insure all packages valued at $100 or more, at my own cost, but have never had to collect on any of these insured packages. For me, the customer's satisfaction is always guaranteed. That's job one. Without happy customers, I'm out of business, so I sometimes have to take a small loss if a specimen breaks. That amounts to a small fraction of one percent of the specimens I send out each year, so it's no big deal for me. It is, however, a big deal for the customer, who is looking forward to receiving the specimen he or she ordered. Best wishes, George Campbell OsoSoft Mineral Connection www.osomin.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:40:01 -0700 From: Steven C Kaminski Subject: Re: Printer error! I'd be interested Steve Kaminski 1325 W. 6th St. Tempe, AZ 85281 On Mon, 22 May 2000 07:50:42 -0400 Jack Nelson writes: > Hi, all. The place that prints our monthly newsletter, The Mineral > Mite, > (newsletter of the Micromineralogists of the National Capital Area > here in > the Washington, D. C, area) printed 100 extra copies of our May > issue by > mistake. Before I put them in the recycle bin, I wanted to offer > them to > any interested members of these lists who might want one. If you do, > please > e-mail me an address and I will be happy to send you one. > Just thought I could make good use of some of them. Best to you all, > Jack > Nelson > ################################################################# > # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # > # to with the following > keys: # > # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # > # To post, send mail to # > ################################################################# ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:27:03 -0700 From: Ron Winter Subject: Re: [BOUNCE]RE: brief article: packing minerals for shipment Don wrote: > > (snip) > > > Sadly, if no > > > guarantee was offered, I do not think one is obligated. Anout 95% of my > > > mail-order dealers are from this list and I believe all I have dealt > > > with have a satisfaction policy. > > > You know I am all for constructive criticism, but in this case a > > > negative eBay feedback will likely be met by the counter-argument that > > > he never offered any guarantee. > > (snip) > > I think that one is obligated to deliver what is purchased. > > Say you ordered a book from Amazon.com, they just pasted > > a stamp and a mailing label on the book, and it arrived > > with 10% of the pages missing. Would you then say, > > oh well, it was a complete book when they mailed it? > Ray, > Ethically, I agree. However, if a vendor offers no guarantee, I just > don't think there > is a legal recourse for reimbursement. > Don Greetings: Since I'm motivated only slightly, here's a simplified response. One way to think about this subject might be like this Washington state example. Generally, there is an "Implied Warranty of Merchantability" when you buy things that do not "express" a warranty. This means if you buy something absent an "expressed warranty" it is expected to be ^Ñnormal' and lacking defects when you receive it. One could think about the "implied warranty" and the term "normal" like this: When you go to McDooDad's and order a Super Burger, you can expect (it is "implied") the Super Burger to be in essentially the same condition as all the others in the Super Burger class when you get it. When you made your order and McDooDad's took your money, a warranty was "implied", not "expressed." An "expressed warranty" means the purchaser "expressed" to the buyer the details and limitations of the warranty. An exclusionary limitation "expressed" regarding shipping might state that all defects occurring during shipping are the responsibility of the purchaser and not the shipper. On the other hand, even if you did agree to such a provision, and later discovered the shipping damage occurred because of substandard packaging, you *could possibly* still recover damages. If there is no "expressed warranty," it is in many instances, possible to recover. - -- Regards, Ron Winter, Auburn, Washington. Administrator, Protection Paralegals. FAA Liaison; AA Technical Electronics; Epistler. In search of: The Mother of All Geodes! www: http://home1.gte.net/corbomyt/ mailto:corbomyt@gte.net "Coprolite Happens" Copyright © Circa 2000 Ron Winter ------------------------------ End of rockhounds-digest V1 #469 ******************************** ################################################################# # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # # to with the following keys: # # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # # rockhounds@drizzle.com | http://callisto.golder.com/rockhoundz# #################################################################