From owner-rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Sun Apr 22 15:52:47 2001 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:49:02 -0800 From: rockhounds-digest Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Subject: rockhounds-digest V1 #807 rockhounds-digest Thursday, February 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 807 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:39:43 -0500 From: "Brett Shaffer" Subject: RE: Paul Green invites you to see photos online! test - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com [mailto:owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Les Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:01 PM To: rockhounds@drizzle.com Subject: Re: Paul Green invites you to see photos online! Excellent pics Paul! I don't think I'd survive at Tucson, I'd never have enough money to buy everything I wanted & would have to buy a city block to display them all :-). Good to see pics of it though! Les. - -- - ------------------------------------------- Ewok's Homepage http://www.netlink.com.au/~lerock http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~lesrock/ Prim email: mailto:lesrock@dingoblue.net.au Sec email: mailto:lerock@netlink.com.au - ------------------------------------------- ################################################################# # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:22:23 EST From: ANNWB2@aol.com Subject: Re: Gold fluorescence When one says fluorescence to a mineral collector without qualifying the term, it usually means visible light fluorescence activated by UV, or, occasionally, by day light, as is observed in some fluorite. Unless you observed the fluorescence in your "gold" sample by activating it with x-rays, I suspect you used UV. While gold and all elements can fluoresce, given the right input radiation, it is meaningless to give someone a UV fluorescent specimen and tell them the gold "fluoresces", when the gold has to be activated with some potentially lethal dose of another radiation source than UV and when that radiation source is a rather fancy piece of lab equipment. You see the same mixing of unspoken ideas in advertising every day. Caveat lux fluor. (more or less) Van ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Fox Subject: BOUNCE rockhounds@drizzle.com: Non-member submission from ["Michael D. McCormack" ] (fwd) - -- afox@drizzle.com -- http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/ >... File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:12:39 -0800 From: owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds-approval@drizzle.com Subject: BOUNCE rockhounds@drizzle.com: Non-member submission from ["Michael D. McCormack" ] >From owner-rockhounds Thu Feb 22 06:12:38 2001 Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by cascadia.drizzle.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1MECce12972 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:12:38 -0800 Received: from sol ([12.86.160.140]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010222141231.UEBB25433.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@sol> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c09cd8$73b9cf80$8ca0560c@sol> From: "Michael D. McCormack" To: Subject: Re: Ad - New Mineralogy Software Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:43:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Don, Thanks for your comments. All programs are written in Visual Basic and are standalone executables that access Access databases. The programs do not require Access to run. I agree with your comments on colors. Colors has been and continues to be a problem. My solution, not necessarily the best, is to offer a color spectrum chart from which a person can visually select the color that best matches the color he observes. Standard color names and hues are automatically assigned by the program, so that "Pinkish red" always refers to the same area of the color chart. I am open for any suggestions on other ways to solve this problem. Best Regards, Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Don To: rockhounds@drizzle.com Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Ad - New Mineralogy Software > >It all sounds very impressive, but the web page didn't have any screen >shots or list of fields. Also, this seems to be written in Access; what >if someone doesn't have Access? What are the fields that are included? > >The fluorescent database also sounds wonderful, but I have concerns >about that too. How do the authors account for variations in >luminescence--i.e., calcite, which is known worldwide and fluoresces in >just about every color of the rainbow? Some of it isn't fluorescent at >all. Is this database adapted from the Henkel Glossary? Another issue >that is being discussed within the FMS is the variation in colors--i.e., >one might say "pink," another "magenta", still another "orange." When I >was at Purple Passion with Bill Gardner, I pointed out a nice "4-color >piece." He said, "No that is 3 colors." I said, "well see, it's green, >purple, orange and red." He said, "Oh, I just call them both red. >They're just different shades of red, but I lump it as one color." See >how confusing it can get? > >Curious Don > > > > >> Intelligent Geoscience Technology wrote: >################################################################# ># Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # ># Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # ># Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # >################################################################# > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:01:32 -0500 From: "R Stephen Carter" Subject: TEST- PLEASE DISREGARD-DELETE Just trying to figure out what list address to use with all the changes recently! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:10:31 -0800 From: "Keim, Michael, R." Subject: AD: site update A new batch of tourmalines have been uploaded to my site including many old large matrix pieces collected by a friend in Brazil many years ago. To view these, go to www.marinmineral.com/tourm2.html. A new batch of mixed minerals including Mt. Bonnie Mimetite, bladed Cavansite, an opalized clam, neptunite, brazilianite, a pegmatitic rhodochrosite, and more at www.marinmineral.com/mixed2.html. Also, be sure to check out the new material from the Tucson show, there are still plenty of fine Carrollites, Erythrite, Red Beryl, and more available. Thank you, Mike Keim Marin Mineral Company ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:21:58 -0800 From: Walter Mroch Subject: AD:8 hours Left in Current Affordable Minerals/Fossils Auction If you are new to the list or an old timer. If you know someone that could use some starter pieces, although all are much better than that, please check out the auction at http://www.gemandmineral.com/index2.htm - -- gameco@gemandmineral.com -- http://www.gemandmineral.com Over 500 minerals and fossils online for sale Online Mineral Auction Rockhound Information and More ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:05:51 -0800 From: "Lanny R. Ream" Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets Amazing how we seemed to have jumped from the FS dig on Emerald Creek not being a good site at this time to questioning if Idaho even has any good collecting sites. Quite frankly I don't care what the tourist boards in Idaho think, if Joe wants to hate the entire state because of one bad collecting locality then more power to him. It leaves a little more room in the woods and a little more open highway for me. The FS and Emerald Creek have a major problem--there isn't much good undug ground remaining, if any (contrary to what many apparently believe, those side creeks have already been dug). The digging site has been moved continuously as each area is dug out, and a lot of sampling has been done. The FS also has the problem of trying to provide a good digging area yet meeting the restrictions of the various water quality, fisheries and other environmental agencies. It takes a lot of effort and expense on the FS's part. Unfortunately, with budget cuts and general distrust in the agency for any activity that disturbs a resource, I'm surprised they actually hire anyone to manage it each season. Joe and friends got stuck in the middle of the problem: the public demands a digging area, the funds aren't there to manage it properly, so disinterested, untrained summer help poorly manage the onsite program in an area of diminishing (or depleted) resource. Contrary to what many think, just because there are small garnets (so called garnet sands) in the side drainages, that is no indication that there are larger garnets up those drainages. The whole region has been sampled, and resampled, and the FS has marginal areas in mind, but all have problems. Instead of so many people bitching and moaning about a problem that is difficult to solve, perhaps those who know so much ought to call the phone number that Tim Fisher provided and offer to get on the mailing list, read the FS reports and provide some constructive input. The FS has been trying to provide a garnet digging area as the public demands in an area of diminishing resource. It can only get better if there is another suitable area to move the operation too. There are other creeks in the region with star garnets, but they generally don't have the quality that the one stretch of Emerald Creek and it's side drainages had. Although some people like some of them better because they have better facet grade material, or brighter but smaller stars. The FS should move the digging to them because they have been complaining for years about the disturbance done by illegal and legal digging by individuals, and they can use this program to rehabilitate the sites that need it as each area is dug out. Definitely, the digging at Emerald Creek is a problem, but the public demands a digging area and the FS is trying to provide one without disturbing another ecosystem. Give them a hand, provide some constructive input if you have any knowledge of the area. If moving to another drainage is what it takes, then they should move the operaton. That is not a simple task however. The environmental issues have to be addressed. The site has to be accessible and a myriad of other problems addressed. Lanny >This is by far the worst collecting site we have ever visited bar none! Of >course it was probably due to the time of year (May) but I thought given the >condition and area for collecting this site should have been closed. We >were only permitted to collect behind the Office which was under water and >several feet of muck that was sieved by about 10 thousand persons before us. >After about an hour of slinking around in several feet of mud we were >leaving when a few regulars were also leaving they informed us that the good >places to search don't open up until later in the Summer. > > The USFS personnel who were responsible for the site were neophites who >should have been giving out broshures instead of preparing ground for >collecting. They informed us that they had drained the area for collecting. >They either didn't have the training to correctly drain wet ground or didn't >care to be bothered. I am aware that this area is wet but this site was a >disgrace. The little children, did however, enjoy acting like wallowing >animals as most kids do. From their point of refference it was great fun. >Perhaps the USFS should open this section for children to play rather then >grownups. The writeups we saw on this site lead us to believe it was >something special. My wife was ready to write to her friends in the >government but finally cooled off. This area has ruined Idaho as a future >travel site for us. Unfortuneatly this is not how the Idaho tourism agency >had intended when they recommended this site to us. We traveled as fast as >the law allowed to exit Idaho after this experience. A simple trenching >machine would allow this area to be used after about 2 hours of digging a >few trenches for draining. As far as new areas to open up we don't see >where there is any reason to debate. Use some of that ill gotten donations >to open up areas out side the "Mud Pit". These hills are filled with >garnets as each draining stream can attest by it's "Garnet Sand". > > After venting I feal much better about our experience with a USFS site. > >Joe D. > >################################################################# ># Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # ># Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # ># Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # >################################################################# ********************************************* Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of gem & mineral references and guides, Mineral News - printed and online, Mineral software: The Mineral Database and the Mineral-Periodical Index Visit our Web pages at http://www.mineralnews.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:34:57 -0500 From: "J. Dunleavy" Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets Lanny, I never said that Idaho has no good prospects for collecting . My opinion was only on Emerald Creek. It seems that the problem was not an isolated incident but recurring. All I was inferring to is that the USFS should close this area to collecting. Both for the environment and for uninformed humans such as myself. I think this area has been used long enough by collectors and should be left to campers and hikers. It is still a very pretty area and I'm sure the existing wildlife would appreciate a place to enjoy some solitude. It has provided many a collector with fun and enjoyment over the years and should be given back to Nature. I love to collect but do not favor destroying the environment to do it. When I fish, hunt or rock collect I always leave the area at least as it was before I visited it. Every resource is finite and must be respected. If what you say is true of this area being depleted of it's Garnets of value then it should be given back to the forest that we all love to view in the different seasons. We all hate to see sites "Going Away" but it is necessary sometimes. At least the memories will remain for those who where fortunate enough to have found something of beauty there. By the way when I do a search on Idaho for collecting sites the only thing that comes up is Emerald Creek. Are there any collecting sites in the Southeast section of Idaho? Most of my collecting is surface collecting in creek beds, erosion strips and dumps. I do very little digging and if I do I always backfill my holes. Does Idaho offer any opportunities to collect Petrified Wood? Thanks for the information on the site but my opinion is that this site should be closed. Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:02:24 EST From: Rocknlight@aol.com Subject: Old tumbler / Restoring Unit & aluminun cleaning, etc.... Hello all I am requesting any and all advise you can give I purchased an old Viking Vibratory tumbler, with a 14 pound hopper It has been sitting outside in the weather, totally unprotected for the past 15 years. I am attempting to restore it back to its old self. Needs new motor / ( possibly replaced with a Variable speed motor ?.... ) Also needs new pillow block bearings, 4 springs, 2 belts.. etc etc I think I can eventually locate most of the parts and motor, but any advise on anything at all about this old Viking unit and what I can possibly do with it, would be much appreciated. Also would like to know of the best ways of cleaning and restoring the aluminum body of the unit and its aluminum hopper. Thank you very much Rocknlight ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:13:00 -0800 From: Teresa Masters Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets Lanny, One thing that has been done here in So. California was to cooperate with the BLM to declare an area a "Rockhound Park". I was there for the Dedication, and it saw decided that we leave the area better than when as we found it. Each rockhound took out a large trash bag and collected all the debris we came across as we pursued what the area had to offer. We had contests to reward those who collected the largest amounts. this was a week long CFMS Field Trip, and the amounts collected were great. Usually you take out your own trash and properly dispose of it away from the digging sites. This time the BLM agreed to bring a truck in to remove the mountains of rusted cans, glass, plastic, car parts, and many other miscellaneous items. Could the Federation for the area in concert with the FS set up a group field trip to correct some of the obvious problems? I know many rockhounds have a good conscience regarding the land, and would do their fair share to avoid having the area closed off. I have never been to Idaho, truly hope one day I can spend time there and at other states that offer wonders to find. We truly need to take some positive action to show those who buy the wonderful line of "save it for future generations" by showing we do that with actions and not only vote seeking words. IMHO Teresa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:16:28 -0800 From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets And if you would have read what I originally forwarded, they are probably going to do just that. So you get your wish. I think they realize that the site is a disaster area. Hopefully they can relocate it to another gulch in the area. On 11:34 AM 2/22/01, J. Dunleavy Said: >Lanny, > > I never said that Idaho has no good prospects for collecting . My >opinion was only on Emerald Creek. It seems that the problem was not an >isolated incident but recurring. All I was inferring to is that the USFS >should close this area to collecting. Both for the environment and for >uninformed humans such as myself. I think this area has been used long >enough by collectors and should be left to campers and hikers. It is still >a very pretty area and I'm sure the existing wildlife would appreciate a >place to enjoy some solitude. It has provided many a collector with fun and >enjoyment over the years and should be given back to Nature. I love to >collect but do not favor destroying the environment to do it. When I fish, >hunt or rock collect I always leave the area at least as it was before I >visited it. Every resource is finite and must be respected. If what you >say is true of this area being depleted of it's Garnets of value then it >should be given back to the forest that we all love to view in the different >seasons. We all hate to see sites "Going Away" but it is necessary >sometimes. At least the memories will remain for those who where fortunate >enough to have found something of beauty there. > > By the way when I do a search on Idaho for collecting sites the only >thing that comes up is Emerald Creek. Are there any collecting sites in the >Southeast section of Idaho? Most of my collecting is surface collecting in >creek beds, erosion strips and dumps. I do very little digging and if I do >I always backfill my holes. Does Idaho offer any opportunities to collect >Petrified Wood? > > Thanks for the information on the site but my opinion is that this site >should be closed. > >Joe D. > >################################################################# ># Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # ># Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # ># Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # >################################################################# Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:19:09 -0800 From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets Lanny, well said. Forward it to the St. Joe RD, they are the ones who need to hear from the rockhounds. On 10:05 AM 2/22/01, Lanny R. Ream Said: >Amazing how we seemed to have jumped from the FS dig on Emerald Creek not >being a good site at this time to questioning if Idaho even has any good >collecting sites. Quite frankly I don't care what the tourist boards in >Idaho think, if Joe wants to hate the entire state because of one bad >collecting locality then more power to him. It leaves a little more room in >the woods and a little more open highway for me. > >The FS and Emerald Creek have a major problem--there isn't much good undug >ground remaining, if any (contrary to what many apparently believe, those >side creeks have already been dug). The digging site has been moved >continuously as each area is dug out, and a lot of sampling has been done. >The FS also has the problem of trying to provide a good digging area yet >meeting the restrictions of the various water quality, fisheries and other >environmental agencies. It takes a lot of effort and expense on the FS's >part. Unfortunately, with budget cuts and general distrust in the agency >for any activity that disturbs a resource, I'm surprised they actually hire >anyone to manage it each season. Joe and friends got stuck in the middle of >the problem: the public demands a digging area, the funds aren't there to >manage it properly, so disinterested, untrained summer help poorly manage >the onsite program in an area of diminishing (or depleted) resource. > >Contrary to what many think, just because there are small garnets (so >called garnet sands) in the side drainages, that is no indication that >there are larger garnets up those drainages. The whole region has been >sampled, and resampled, and the FS has marginal areas in mind, but all have >problems. > >Instead of so many people bitching and moaning about a problem that is >difficult to solve, perhaps those who know so much ought to call the phone >number that Tim Fisher provided and offer to get on the mailing list, read >the FS reports and provide some constructive input. > >The FS has been trying to provide a garnet digging area as the public >demands in an area of diminishing resource. It can only get better if there >is another suitable area to move the operation too. There are other creeks >in the region with star garnets, but they generally don't have the quality >that the one stretch of Emerald Creek and it's side drainages had. Although >some people like some of them better because they have better facet grade >material, or brighter but smaller stars. The FS should move the digging to >them because they have been complaining for years about the disturbance >done by illegal and legal digging by individuals, and they can use this >program to rehabilitate the sites that need it as each area is dug out. > >Definitely, the digging at Emerald Creek is a problem, but the public >demands a digging area and the FS is trying to provide one without >disturbing another ecosystem. Give them a hand, provide some constructive >input if you have any knowledge of the area. If moving to another drainage >is what it takes, then they should move the operaton. That is not a simple >task however. The environmental issues have to be addressed. The site has >to be accessible and a myriad of other problems addressed. > >Lanny Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:10:10 -0800 From: "Lanny R. Ream" Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets Joe, First off, what you do or don't think of Idaho doesn't matter to me. Your opinion has no effect on me or what I think of the state. Read my prior message about that again and believe it. I have no interest in promoting Idaho as a tourist draw. I do personally promote it for various kinds of rock collecting because I like to share what I know with other collectors, but I very much like small, quiet, low population areas, not everything over run with visitors. If you want to bad mouth the state for the purpose of venting a little anger, that's ok, if you want to bad mouth it specifically to scare tourists away then you have my thanks. However, you did write the following: >This area has ruined Idaho as a future >travel site for us. Unfortuneatly this is not how the Idaho tourism agency >had intended when they recommended this site to us. We traveled as fast as >the law allowed to exit Idaho after this experience. That does read like you have no good opinion of Idaho as a travel site and thus believe it has "no good prospects for collecting." Just in case you do actually want to know about rockhounding sites in Idaho I can help; there are many rockhounding sites in the state for agates, petrified wood, and other goodies. I'm not really familiar with any petrified wood in the SE part of the state, I don't collect it much anymore. I do have a book with 36 localities for various rockhound materials in localities all over the state (agate, petrified wood, garnets, quartz, etc.): The Gem & Mineral Collector's Guide to Idaho. It has descriptions and maps, price is $10, it's printed by Gem Guides Book Co (626-855-1611), use ISBN: 1-889786-13-6 if you want to order it from any bookstore or online. Or perhaps one of the other Idaho collectors on the list who are familiar with collecting in the SE part of the state is still reading this list and can offer suggestions... Lanny >Lanny, > > I never said that Idaho has no good prospects for collecting . My >opinion was only on Emerald Creek. It seems that the problem was not an >isolated incident but recurring. All I was inferring to is that the USFS >should close this area to collecting. Both for the environment and for >uninformed humans such as myself. I think this area has been used long >enough by collectors and should be left to campers and hikers. It is still >a very pretty area and I'm sure the existing wildlife would appreciate a >place to enjoy some solitude. It has provided many a collector with fun and >enjoyment over the years and should be given back to Nature. I love to >collect but do not favor destroying the environment to do it. When I fish, >hunt or rock collect I always leave the area at least as it was before I >visited it. Every resource is finite and must be respected. If what you >say is true of this area being depleted of it's Garnets of value then it >should be given back to the forest that we all love to view in the different >seasons. We all hate to see sites "Going Away" but it is necessary >sometimes. At least the memories will remain for those who where fortunate >enough to have found something of beauty there. > > By the way when I do a search on Idaho for collecting sites the only >thing that comes up is Emerald Creek. Are there any collecting sites in the >Southeast section of Idaho? Most of my collecting is surface collecting in >creek beds, erosion strips and dumps. I do very little digging and if I do >I always backfill my holes. Does Idaho offer any opportunities to collect >Petrified Wood? > > Thanks for the information on the site but my opinion is that this site >should be closed. > >Joe D. > >################################################################# ># Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # ># Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # ># Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # >################################################################# ********************************************* Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of gem & mineral references and guides, Mineral News - printed and online, Mineral software: The Mineral Database and the Mineral-Periodical Index Visit our Web pages at http://www.mineralnews.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:19:33 -0800 From: "Lanny R. Ream" Subject: Re: Emerald Creek ID Star Garnets Theresa, The real problem at Emerald Creek is aparently that after about 5 decades of rockhound digging, the garnets are gone. The FS does has a budget problem and thus doesn't spend as much as it used to on this type of recreational activity management, but more money, or more people working on rehab or preparing a site for digging won't add more garnets to the ground at Emerald Creek. It is possible that the FS could move a little faster at developing a new site if they had help from rockhounds and I believe they have talked with the the area clubs about this in the past. Maybe the current program will lead to that. If they open a new area on a different creek, then there will be various amounts of work to do--trails built or cleaned out, environmental measures taken, and of course rehabilitation as the digging moves along. It is possible that public input will make or break the project. The word on the street a couple years ago was that the FS was trying to get someone, private or club, to take over the operation. If there isn't enough public support, it just might die. With the garnet digging situation, it down to "put up or shut up" time. Best Wishes to all garnet hunters and mud sloggers, Lanny >Lanny, >One thing that has been done here in So. California was to cooperate >with the BLM to declare an area a "Rockhound Park". I was there for the >Dedication, and it saw decided that we leave the area better than when >as we found it. > >Each rockhound took out a large trash bag and collected all the debris >we came across as we pursued what the area had to offer. We had contests >to reward those who collected the largest amounts. this was a week long >CFMS Field Trip, and the amounts collected were great. Usually you take >out your own trash and properly dispose of it away from the digging >sites. This time the BLM agreed to bring a truck in to remove the >mountains of rusted cans, glass, plastic, car parts, and many other >miscellaneous items. > >Could the Federation for the area in concert with the FS set up a group >field trip to correct some of the obvious problems? I know many >rockhounds have a good conscience regarding the land, and would do their >fair share to avoid having the area closed off. > >I have never been to Idaho, truly hope one day I can spend time there >and at other states that offer wonders to find. We truly need to take >some positive action to show those who buy the wonderful line of "save >it for future generations" by showing we do that with actions and not >only vote seeking words. > >IMHO >Teresa > >################################################################# ># Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # ># Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # ># Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # >################################################################# ********************************************* Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of gem & mineral references and guides, Mineral News - printed and online, Mineral software: The Mineral Database and the Mineral-Periodical Index Visit our Web pages at http://www.mineralnews.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:58:22 EST From: FOSSILNUT@aol.com Subject: Re: Probably off topic - --part1_e8.10e15208.27c70fae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I were analyzing thsi problem the first thing I would do would be to try and determine if the problem is on the glass, or in the glass. In other words, is it a deposit on the innner or outer surface of the glass.... or is it etching or discoloration from taking something away from the glass. In the former case, removal technologies,whether acid, oxidation, alkali (careful alkali etches glass), surfactant, or abrasive will work. If the problem is etching, or scratching the objective wold be to polish out the defects to the extent possible. If the problem is one caused by leaching, you will likely have to learn to look upon the imperfections as adding character to the piece. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 2/21/01 8:09:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bozo5@aol.com writes: > > Actually, what has happened is the glass has been etched. > > This sounds like a good theory but there must be more to it. The film > seems > to be thickest in rings at various levels; sometimes inside, sometimes > outside. I assume the glass itself is homogeneous, so it must need > something, say a ring of soap scum first. Maybe hot scum etches the glass. > > > It certainly explains the odd properties of the "film". I have tried CLR > yesterday and today tried a mild abrasive (toothpaste) without success. > Seems it needs a lapidary solution rather than a mineral-collector > solution. > I guess I'll take them to the shop and try cerium oxide on leather. The > outsides will be easy. > > Thanks for all the help, > - --part1_e8.10e15208.27c70fae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I were analyzing thsi problem the first thing I would do would be to try
and determine if the problem is on the glass, or in the glass. In other
words, is it a deposit on the innner or outer surface of the glass.... or is
it etching or discoloration from taking something away from the glass. In the
former case, removal technologies,whether acid, oxidation, alkali (careful
alkali etches glass), surfactant, or abrasive will work.

If the problem is etching, or scratching the objective wold be to polish out
the defects to the extent possible.

If the problem is one caused by leaching, you will likely have to learn to
look upon the imperfections as adding character to the piece.

Gene Hartstein
Newark, DE




In a message dated 2/21/01 8:09:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bozo5@aol.com
writes:


> Actually, what has happened is the glass has been etched.

This sounds like a good theory but there must be more to it.  The film
seems
to be thickest in rings at various levels; sometimes inside, sometimes
outside.  I assume the glass itself is homogeneous, so it must need
something, say a ring of soap scum first.  Maybe hot scum etches the glass.
 

It certainly explains the odd properties of the "film".  I have tried CLR
yesterday and today tried a mild abrasive (toothpaste) without success.  
Seems it needs a lapidary solution rather than a mineral-collector
solution.  
I guess I'll take them to the shop and try cerium oxide on leather.  The
outsides will be easy.

Thanks for all the help,
        Flint


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