From owner-rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Sat Sep 8 09:48:11 2001 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:49:01 -0700 From: rockhounds-digest Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds-digest@drizzle.com Subject: rockhounds-digest V1 #928 rockhounds-digest Thursday, June 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 928 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:42:41 +0900 From: "Hiroyasu Ichikawa" Subject: 'Bird figure' Japan law twin? Hi, Have you ever heard 'Bird figure' Japan law twin? The crystal consists of main crystal and 2 sub crystals. Each sub crystal meets main crystal at 84.33 degree (Japan law twin). Sub crystals open at 60,120,or 180 degree. See the following figure. http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~hiroyasu/bird.htm The name has been generalized in Japan since Dr.Kinichi Sakurai(,a famous Japanese mineralogist. Both Kinichilite and Sakuraiite were named after him) had used 'Bird figure'. But the source hasn't come to light yet. I wonder he found the name 'Bird figure' in a foreign paper/book when he was in life. If anyone out there that has heard 'bird figure' or knows the source, please tell me. Thanks in advance. Hiroyasu, a Japanese amateur rockhound ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 05:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Fox Subject: Tungsten minerals? Dudes, Looking for a locality to collect/trade tungsten-bearing minerals (request from an old friend). Only place that I personally know of is Calvert Hill in western Montana, where the tungsten appears as scheelite (carbonate). Any leads? - -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request grep brains you cat clue you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:54:45 -0400 From: "Nathan C. Martin II" Subject: Re: Tungsten minerals? Aaron, I would expect there to be some scheelite localities in eastern Washington (a little closer to home for you than Montana). A few years ago when collecting at some old lead-silver mines in the Lakeview district of northern Idaho (near Bayview). I was surprised to find some micro scheelites in quartz veins with galena. In doing some follow up reading in Robbin's book on fluorescence I came across a reference to there being a broad swath of tungsten occurrences that extends up into Washington and Idaho. One suggestion is to do a MASMILS search in states of interest using tungsten as the commodity of interest and see if any of the localities seem promising. Let me also take this opportunity to thank you for your ongoing management of this email list. I know we all appreciate the service you are providing for us (even if we don't often tell you). Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA, USA At 05:52 AM 6/21/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Dudes, > >Looking for a locality to collect/trade tungsten-bearing minerals (request >from an old friend). Only place that I personally know of is Calvert Hill >in western Montana, where the tungsten appears as scheelite (carbonate). > >Any leads? > >-- >afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:16:24 -0700 From: "Lanny R. Ream" Subject: Re: 'Bird figure' Japan law twin? I've never heard of the term "Bird figure," but multiple Japan law twin crystals do occur here and there. The Black Pine Mine near Philipsburg, Montana produced a lot of multiple twins, generally the "sub twins" were fairly small compaired to the main "obvious" twin. Often there were dozens of them on the main twin. The first issue of the Mineralogical Record described and illustrated such a crystal very similar to the one on the web page you provided. This specimen was from near the Yankee Boy Mine, Gila County, Arizona. In the one page article, Dr. Bideaux reported that other occurrences of multiple Japan law twins are not known--so at least at that time, they weren't reported in the literature (as researched by Bideaux or his personal communication with C. Frondel). While on the subject, a similar question. In the Pacific Nowthwest, where we have quite a few Japan law twin localities we have the term "Madagascar habit" for Japan law twins that are elongated so that they look more like a single tabular crystal (the re-entrant angle at the termination and the striations give the twin away). Has anyone ever seen this term in print? Reportedly, it is a term that has been published in an old mineralogy text, but no one seem to know which one. Regards, Lanny >Hi, >Have you ever heard 'Bird figure' Japan law twin? >The crystal consists of main crystal and 2 sub crystals. Each sub crystal >meets main crystal at 84.33 degree (Japan law twin). Sub crystals open at >60,120,or 180 degree. See the following figure. > >http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~hiroyasu/bird.htm > >The name has been generalized in Japan since Dr.Kinichi Sakurai(,a famous >Japanese mineralogist. Both Kinichilite and Sakuraiite were named after him) >had used 'Bird figure'. But the source hasn't come to light yet. I wonder he >found the name 'Bird figure' in a foreign paper/book when he was in life. >If anyone out there that has heard 'bird figure' or knows the source, please >tell me. Thanks in advance. > > > Hiroyasu, a Japanese amateur rockhound > > ********************************************* Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of gem & mineral references and guides, Mineral News - printed and online, Mineral software: The Mineral Database and the Mineral-Periodical Index Visit our Web pages at http://www.mineralnews.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:00:12 -0700 From: beckaandjoe@netos.com (Joseph George) Subject: Re: 'Bird figure' Japan law twin? I haven't heard the name "bird figure" but I do believe I have seen one of those from my claim here in Washington. I will keep my eye out this summer while drilling Joe Hiroyasu Ichikawa wrote: > Hi, > Have you ever heard 'Bird figure' Japan law twin? > The crystal consists of main crystal and 2 sub crystals. Each sub crystal > meets main crystal at 84.33 degree (Japan law twin). Sub crystals open at > 60,120,or 180 degree. See the following figure. > > http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~hiroyasu/bird.htm > > The name has been generalized in Japan since Dr.Kinichi Sakurai(,a famous > Japanese mineralogist. Both Kinichilite and Sakuraiite were named after him) > had used 'Bird figure'. But the source hasn't come to light yet. I wonder he > found the name 'Bird figure' in a foreign paper/book when he was in life. > If anyone out there that has heard 'bird figure' or knows the source, please > tell me. Thanks in advance. > > Hiroyasu, a Japanese amateur rockhound > > ################################################################# > # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # > # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # > # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # > ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:55:58 -0700 From: "Lanny R. Ream" Subject: Re: Tungsten minerals? Hi Aaron, Tungsten minerals are scarce in the NW, or at least being able to collect anything decent is difficult. There are a number of occurrences for scheelite, ferberite-huebnerite and others more scarce. Unfortunately, these localities are not kind to collectors. I believe you have access to the Washington state publications, look through Huntting's Inventory of Washington Minerals, Bull 37. You'll see a number of tungsten mines if you want to do some prospecting. As to Nathan's find of scheelite with galena near Lakeview, just north of me over here in Idaho--I can't duplicate his find at the Vulcan Mine dump. I haven't been able to find anything in the vuggy quartz except quartrz. However, up on the new road, near the main Vulcan Mine, there are some other prospects, and micro scheelite crystals on garnet and diopside in a scarn is fairly easy to find. There are a few ferberite localities in Idaho, but again, not friendly to collectors. Regards, Lanny >Aaron, > >I would expect there to be some scheelite localities in eastern Washington >(a little closer to home for you than Montana). A few years ago when >collecting at some old lead-silver mines in the Lakeview district of >northern Idaho (near Bayview). I was surprised to find some micro >scheelites in quartz veins with galena. In doing some follow up reading in >Robbin's book on fluorescence I came across a reference to there being a >broad swath of tungsten occurrences that extends up into Washington and >Idaho. One suggestion is to do a MASMILS search in states of interest >using tungsten as the commodity of interest and see if any of the >localities seem promising. > >Let me also take this opportunity to thank you for your ongoing management >of this email list. I know we all appreciate the service you are providing >for us (even if we don't often tell you). > >Best regards, >Nate Martin >Lexington, MA, USA > >At 05:52 AM 6/21/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>Dudes, >> >>Looking for a locality to collect/trade tungsten-bearing minerals (request >>from an old friend). Only place that I personally know of is Calvert Hill >>in western Montana, where the tungsten appears as scheelite (carbonate). >> >>Any leads? >> >>-- >>afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > >################################################################# ># Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # ># Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # ># Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # >################################################################# ********************************************* Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of gem & mineral references and guides, Mineral News - printed and online, Mineral software: The Mineral Database and the Mineral-Periodical Index Visit our Web pages at http://www.mineralnews.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:36:58 -0500 From: Gary Brown Subject: Re: Tungsten minerals? A search in my Access2000 version of the Masmils with the following querry: WHERE (MASMILS.COM1="TUNGSTEN") AND ( MASMILS.STA="washington" OR MASMILS.STA="oregon" OR MASMILS.STA="idaho") yields 241 mine locations. I did a quick plot of 'em in my DeLorme Topo3.0 using my MasMils/PLUS extracts (<--- shameless plug ) and they are pretty well distributed along the "spine" of Idaho. In Oregon there is a cluster in the NE and another in the SW. In Washington, and handful in the middle of the state, and a cluster in the NE which looks to be a continuation of the trend through Idaho. Regards, GcB At 12:55 PM 6/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Aaron, > >Tungsten minerals are scarce in the NW,... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Perry Subject: Re: Bloomington, IN Show Hi John and all, I hope to see you this weekend. I will be in the new barn near the door along with most of the St. Louis, Missouri contingent. I would like to get a group picture taken near the Orange tablecloths in Volunteer country of list members so try to be there on Sat. at Noon. This way those on the coasts can see what some of the Midwesterners look like on a hot and muggy weekend in the Heartland. I hope to post a show report on my website www.emineralshow.com with photo's after. I will let the lists know when it's up. Regards, Stan ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Fox Subject: [BOUNCE]Re: Tungsten minerals? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:57:12 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell Subject: Tungsten minerals? Message-ID: <200106211157_MC3-D6A2-F4F5@compuserve.com> Hi, folks-- Aaron wrote: >> "Looking for a locality to collect/trade tungsten-bearing minerals (request from an old friend). Only place that I personally know of is Calvert Hill in western Montana, where the tungsten appears as scheelite (carbonate)." Trust a fluorescent mineral collector to know where to find scheelite (which may be a marker for other tungsten minerals as well), and to know off the top that it is calcium tungstate, not a carbonate. Another tungstate that often (always?) fluoresces is lead tungstate, stolzite, I have collected scheelite at several locales in the Mojave desert of California, and have heard of many others out there. My database of fluorescent mineral locales mentioned in certain books offers the following. The list is not very specific, and says nothing about collecting status -- it should be taken as hints. - --Doug mailto: dmitchell@compuserve.com mailto: uvwaves@uvminerals.org Doug Mitchell, Newsletter editor, Fluorescent Mineral Society, Inc. http://www.uvminerals.org Scheelite SW fluor: whitish-blue LW fluor: State: QUE City: County: Mine: Mt.St.Hilaire Scheelite SW fluor: white,blue-white LW fluor: burnt-orange,tan State: AZ City: Huachuca Mts. County: Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: bright-sky-blue LW fluor: State: AZ City: Oracle County: Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: bright white LW fluor: State: CA City: Kernville County: Kern? Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: yellow NS LW fluor: yellow NS State: CA City: County: Plumas Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: bright-yellow-white LW fluor: State: CA City: Crestmore County: Riverside Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: bright-sky-blue LW fluor: State: CA City: Atolia County: San Bernardino? Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: bright-sky-blue,white,yellow LW fluor: State: CA City: County: Mine: Shadow Mts. Scheelite SW fluor: bright-sky-blue LW fluor: State: CT City: Trumbull County: Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: yellow LW fluor: yellow State: NJ City: Franklin County: Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: bright-sky-blue,white,yellow LW fluor: white,yellow State: NM City: County: Santa Fe Mine: New Ortiz Scheelite SW fluor: bright-sky-blue,white,yellow LW fluor: white,yellow State: NV City: County: Mill Mine: Scheelite SW fluor: yellow NS LW fluor: yellow NS State: UT City: Milford County: Mine: Stolzite SW fluor: weak-yellow LW fluor: weak-orange State: NSW City: Broken Hill County: Mine: Stolzite SW fluor: yellow LW fluor: State: City: County: Mine: Stolzite SW fluor: green-white LW fluor: State: AZ City: Dragoon County: Mine: Stolzite SW fluor: green-white LW fluor: State: AZ City: Tombstone County: Mine: Stolzite SW fluor: green-white LW fluor: State: MA City: Southampton County: Mine: Stolzite SW fluor: green-white LW fluor: State: UT City: Lucin County: Mine: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:56:37 -0400 From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Subject: Re: Tungsten minerals? One of my field guides mentions that Tungstite can still be found at the old Trumbull occurrance on Connecticut, from which it was first described. It can also be found in Vance County in North Carolina, associated with huebnerite. I've also got mentions of Wolframite in quartz at Fredericktown, Missouri, Ouray County in Colorado, Lincoln County in New Mexico, and Nye County in Nevada. Wolframite after Scheelite has been found at Trumbull, Connecticut. Good crystals of Scheelite have been reported found at Bishop and Atolia in California and in Mohave and Chchise Counties in Arizona. Mill City in Nevada also has scheelite, but seldom in good crystals. There are also a few locations for tungsten minerals in New Hampshire, but I don't think any of them were ever mined. Kreigh Tomaszewski Mailto:Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net Please visit our family web pages at http://Tomaszewski.net Aaron Fox wrote: > > Dudes, > > Looking for a locality to collect/trade tungsten-bearing minerals (request > from an old friend). Only place that I personally know of is Calvert Hill > in western Montana, where the tungsten appears as scheelite (carbonate). > > Any leads? > > -- > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > grep brains you > cat clue you > > ################################################################# > # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # > # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # > # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # > ################################################################# ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:44:42 -0600 From: "Bob Loeffler" Subject: RE: Tungsten minerals? (and introducing the new Colorado Rockhounding website!) Hi all, There are several locations in Colorado that have tungsten-bearing minerals (such as scheelite, huebnerite and ferberite). You can find out more on my new "Colorado Rockhounding" website. This website is still in its infancy, but I will be adding more and more info to it as I get the time. Just go to the following web page and choose a mineral from the list at the bottom of the page. The site is easy to navigate, and it has lots of pictures already (including some of the tungsten minerals): http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/index.php3 This website is a non-profit site where people will be able to find out more about where rockhounding can be done in Colorado and what minerals can be found. It will also have a little historical info about what has been found at specific locations. Even though fossil collecting is a common rockhounding activity in Colorado, there won't be any fossil locations mentioned because that would make the website even larger and I don't know anything about fossils anyway. Maybe someone else can make a website for Colorado fossils. In the early stages of the website, it will have general info about each location and each mineral, but as time goes on (it will constantly be a "work-in-progress"), I will add more and more details about field trips and possibly even write-ups by others (eg. members in our club or even non-members who have been there or know a lot about the location). This website is database-driven, so each of its webpages will be dynamically created "on-the-fly" instead of being statically created manually by myself. I've found that static webpages are tedious to create and maintain. :-) And putting everything into a database can make linking to other pages much easier. Minerals and locations can be found using the minerals, locations and counties "drop-down" lists. Just select an item from the drop-down list and then click on the Submit button below that list. Also, the locations and counties are categorized into 5 different regions, so you can search for minerals and locations within a region if you wish. On the locations pages (eg. the Sweet Home Mine location), there will be pictures of the location (if available), some general info, a list of the most common minerals found there, and links to field trip reports (if any). A green gem image next to a mineral's name means that there are one or more pictures of that mineral from that particular location. Just click on the gem's image to see the pictures. Or, click on the mineral's name itself to see pictures of that mineral from other locations around Colorado. On the minerals pages (eg. Fluorite), there will be pictures of the mineral from one or more locations (if available), some general info, a list of locations where the mineral can be found, and links to those locations and their respective county. Click on a location's name to see that location's page, or click on a county's name to see other locations in that county. On the counties pages (eg. Chaffee county), there will be pictures (if available) of one or more of the locations in that county, a list of the locations in the county, and lists of the most common minerals from each of the locations. There may also be non-digging locations listed, such as the Georgetown Loop Railroad and Phoenix Mine in Clear Creek county. I hope you like the new website. If you have any feedback, I would love to hear it. If you have any info on any of the rockhounding sites in Colorado (whether they are already on the website or not) and would like it to be added to this website, please let me know. There is no way I can make this huge website work without information gathered from others. Much of the info on the website is from books that I've read and personal experiences, and I have referenced the books at the bottom of each location page. I will give the same kind of credit to individuals, magazines, etc that add to the website. One thing that most rockhounds worry about is that someone will tell the whole world how to find a great digging location. Then, sooner or later, that location is all dug up and no more material can be found because too many people knew about it. Some people say that we need to tell everyone where these locations are; others say that we need to keep all locations a secret. Well, that is something that I thought about while creating this website, so I made a decision - I won't put directions of how to find the location on the website. If I got a location's information from a book, I explain at the bottom of that web page that "you will need to see the book for directions". If someone sends me the information for a location, the web page will say that "you will need to contact that person for directions" and I'll provide their e-mail address if that is ok with them. I may change this policy in the future; it just depends on what most people want. I invite everyone to stop by and have a little fun with it. I'm planning on this site being "the place to go" for Colorado rockhounding info. Regards, Bob Loeffler North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com [mailto:owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Fox Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:53 AM To: Rockhounds mailing list Subject: Tungsten minerals? Dudes, Looking for a locality to collect/trade tungsten-bearing minerals (request from an old friend). Only place that I personally know of is Calvert Hill in western Montana, where the tungsten appears as scheelite (carbonate). Any leads? - -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request grep brains you cat clue you ################################################################# # Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing Alias: rockhounds@drizzle.com # # Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/ # # Subscription Services: majordomo@drizzle.com # ################################################################# ------------------------------ End of rockhounds-digest V1 #928 ******************************** ################################################################# # To subscribe or unsubscribe to the Rockhoundz List, send mail # # to with the following keys: # # subscribe rockhounds (or) unsubscribe rockhounds # # rockhounds@drizzle.com | http://callisto.golder.com/rockhoundz# #################################################################