From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 00:10:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Thu Aug 1 23:10:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] maps Message-ID: <000801c239eb$19b930a0$562707d8@joe> Does anyone know how I can get a area map of the bumping lake and = surronding creeks such as deep and morse creeks..............on line? Thank you clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 06:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Aug 2 05:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] maps In-Reply-To: <000801c239eb$19b930a0$562707d8@joe> Message-ID: have you tried www.topozone.com ? Bryan - Does anyone know how I can get a area map of the bumping lake and surronding creeks such as deep and morse creeks..............on line? Thank you clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 06:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Fri Aug 2 05:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A few good mines. Message-ID: <3D4A7E54.8010900@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, For those interested in Canadian minerals - I was down at the Natural Resources Library yesterday getting some claimowner info and looking for old mining pics. I found a couple that you might enjoy. They are found (temporarily) at: http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca/old.html I have also added a couple similar relevant pics to my website for West Gore, Walton Mine (not the same as in the pic above), and Coxheath. In addition, I posted some micro pics that were taken last winter of some material from the East Kemptville Tin Mine. These are all found at: http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen/mainrock.html Click on Localities and then the appropriate locality. I am also working on some new locality pages for the site. These include Cape D'Or (zeolites and copper), Cheverie (manganese and gypsum hosted minerals), Londonderry (goethite), and Lake Enon (celestite). Hope to have a couple of those ready in the fall. Happy Collecting, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 07:15:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Aug 2 06:15:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] maps References: <000801c239eb$19b930a0$562707d8@joe> Message-ID: <000901c23a25$9d48f380$545204d0@jim> Go to www.topozone.com Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: clayandkip To: rockhounds Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] maps > Does anyone know how I can get a area map of the bumping lake and surronding creeks such as deep and morse creeks..............on line? > > Thank you clay > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 11:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Fri Aug 2 10:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] maps References: Message-ID: <001c01c23a49$a7589820$542707d8@joe> thats the site thanks for your help everyone ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] maps > have you tried www.topozone.com ? > > Bryan > > - > > Does anyone know how I can get a area map of the bumping lake and surronding > creeks such as deep and morse creeks..............on line? > > Thank you clay > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 13:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 2 12:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] maps Message-ID: <165.112a3a61.2a7c356f@aol.com> I really love the USGS Name Server site, which will find a place name then give several options on how to look at it. This is great when the name of a rock has a geographic reference. A good example is Sleeping Beauty Turquoise. Knowing it comes from AZ, I searched for Sleeping Beauty and found a map of Sleeping Beauty Mountain. http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form I've also found Dugway and Topaz Mountain in Utah. Or you can leave the feature name blank and search for mines by putting 'mine' in the "Feature Type" field. When you can't go out rockhounding it's fun to find potential sites, like old copper mines. Grant Chico, CA From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 16:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Aug 2 15:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] maps References: <000801c239eb$19b930a0$562707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D4B0489.4085@Tomaszewski.net> Try Http://www.topozone.com clayandkip wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can get a area map of the bumping lake and surronding creeks such as deep and morse creeks..............on line? > > Thank you clay > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 18:01:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Fri Aug 2 17:01:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madagascar Ammonites Message-ID: <002401c23a81$1ae4f540$75393442@t5k8i6> Hello All, I've received a large lot of cut and polished ammonite fossils from = Tulear, Madagascar, and am trying to differentitate the various species. = Does anyone know a good source with perhaps some photos or descriptions = of the various ammonites found there so I can tell one from another? Thanks in advance! Richard Sittinger WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club 1770 Orville Avenue Cambria, CA 93428 805.927.2223 Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org www.mineralofthemonthclub.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 18:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 2 17:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater Message-ID: <74.20bf5051.2a7c7bbd@aol.com> Anybody have any idea what impact (Tongue in cheek) this new discovery has on the dinosaur extinction theory? This one is in the North Sea but I didn't see anything about its size. If one impact could kill dinosaurs, multiple impacts could have been real devastating. http://msnbc.com/news/787863.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1 Hope the URL works. Grant From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 19:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Aug 2 18:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madagascar Ammonites References: <002401c23a81$1ae4f540$75393442@t5k8i6> Message-ID: <02af01c23a8e$a2eb6ca0$c884a141@jgcornish> Hi Richard, Last Tucson I worked for a Madagascar Dealer, Maurice Eyraud, of Madamine. Maurice sells quantities of these from his room in the EI. He's out of town for long periods of time and may not be able to reply as soon as you'd like, still ya never know... (email... minerama.fr@wanadoo.fr ) The first ExtraLapis issue in English was of Madagascar and mentions the Natural History Museum of Milan as an institution which has pursued active paleo research there in the past. Perhaps if your able, a contact could be made there for additional information. Just a couple ideas. Good luck and take care, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard@Mineral of the Month Club" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Madagascar Ammonites Hello All, I've received a large lot of cut and polished ammonite fossils from Tulear, Madagascar, and am trying to differentitate the various species. Does anyone know a good source with perhaps some photos or descriptions of the various ammonites found there so I can tell one from another? Thanks in advance! Richard Sittinger WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club 1770 Orville Avenue Cambria, CA 93428 805.927.2223 Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org www.mineralofthemonthclub.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 20:02:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Aug 2 19:02:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater In-Reply-To: <74.20bf5051.2a7c7bbd@aol.com> Message-ID: It is 20 km across. Take a look at this link it probably has more complete info: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992622 Bryan Anybody have any idea what impact (Tongue in cheek) this new discovery has on the dinosaur extinction theory? This one is in the North Sea but I didn't see anything about its size. If one impact could kill dinosaurs, multiple impacts could have been real devastating. http://msnbc.com/news/787863.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1 Hope the URL works. Grant _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 20:30:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 2 19:30:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater Message-ID: <14a.11d860b0.2a7c9a1c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/02 7:02:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes: > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992622 > Thanks Bryan, The seismograph image at the last site is very impressive. That's a 20 kilometer scar hidden under a few hundred feet of seabed. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 20:43:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 2 19:43:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater Message-ID: <20020803024218.DHXJ28706.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Bryan, Absolutely fascinating, thanks. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 2 21:04:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Aug 2 20:04:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater In-Reply-To: <14a.11d860b0.2a7c9a1c@aol.com> Message-ID: The http://www.newscientist.com/news link is worth checking at least a couple times a week, they often have geological or fossil news. The aussie cave is one on there now: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992607. And there is one on the equatorial bulge too. Bryan > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992622 > Thanks Bryan, The seismograph image at the last site is very impressive. That's a 20 kilometer scar hidden under a few hundred feet of seabed. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 3 06:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 3 05:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater References: <74.20bf5051.2a7c7bbd@aol.com> Message-ID: <004201c23ae6$5be1a9c0$4daa77d5@pandora.be> compared to the 180-300 Km wide Mexican crater (I'm not even going to try to spell Xixulub... Chichul... oh yes, Chicxulub ) the silverpit is a baby-impact. Only a 200-500 meter meteorite as compared to a maybe 10 to 15 Km whopper. Astronomers estimate that you'd need a serious meteorite, say 1 to 2 km diameter, to influence global climate for more than a year, max. two years. Even those 2 km meteorites would not cause debris to cover ALL the planet like Chicxulub (see, all it takes is practice) did. Even the Chicxulub impact did not cause the extinction of more than 50% of all life. Scientists used to think that a 15-20Km meteorite would kill all life on impact. Now they seem to take other things into account like composition (mass), speed, angle of impact, impact on land or ocean.... So, I don't think the Silverpit impact would have had more than a local effect.... If I'm not mistaking, most of Great Britain was still sea-floor at the time so most damage would be done by the spreading of the superheated air from the friction-cushion and the tsunami that followed the impact. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:20 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater > Anybody have any idea what impact (Tongue in cheek) this new discovery has on > the dinosaur extinction theory? This one is in the North Sea but I didn't see > anything about its size. If one impact could kill dinosaurs, multiple impacts > could have been real devastating. > > http://msnbc.com/news/787863.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1 > > Hope the URL works. > > Grant > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 3 09:19:15 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Sat Aug 3 08:19:15 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vent Critters References: Message-ID: <3D4BF41C.98AFA102@ptd.net> Another possible "twister" to this whole thing, and I don't think it is something new.... Several years ago, I was able to enter the Midlothian Cement quarry in Midlothian Texas, whereby there is much limestone that 'almost' forms a natural cement. In this quarry there was to be found in a particular area a great abundance of pyrite/marcasite nudules/crystal groups, but were always in/on/nearby petrified nautiloids. I realize this was probably not a deep sea vent type occurrence, but almost begs the question of which came first the sulfide or the nautiloids... I am presenting this just as an observation and not from any professional viewpoint as to yet another geological occurrence of sulfides. p.s. the nautiolids were poorly preserved, and I'm thinking that bacterial presence was also a third party player in this event. "William S. Cordua" wrote: > I've read several reports of proposed fossilized tube worms in > massive sulfide deposits. Oman was one area I do recall. I also think > occurrences in Australia have been reported. Since the discovery of vent > animals are relatively recent, the search for fossilized examples is also > relatively recent. It's likely geologists have been looking at them for > years, without suspecting what they were. his is a good example of the old > geologic principle that the present is the key to the past. The discovery > of these animals have caused us to look for their reamins in ancient rocks > and rethink the origin and nature of cetain types of ore deposits. > BTW #1 - Ophiolites are slivers of deformed rocks that likely > represent chunks of sea flow ocean crust and even upper mantle that have > gotten caught up in mountain building. These do often have massive sulfide > deposits that are now interpreted to have formed around and under submarine > hot springs. They also have pillow basalts, deep-sea cherts, peridotites, > serpentinites and other neat rocks in them. They are known from many areas > of the world, but are probably most famously developed in the Alps. > BTW #2, I've put the Hatfield Center on my "want to visit some > time" list. Thanks for the tip. > Best wishes - Bill Cordua > > >I was just out at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon (a > >WONDERFUL center, if you haven't been there!!) and one of the volunteers, > >Nancy Steinberg, gave a great talk on their ongoing research with the > >sea-floor vents off the Oregon coast. They had some up-to-the-minute shots > >from the research ship that showed all those weird and wonderful critters > >that live near the vents. I asked if any of those have shown up in the > >fossil record in vent-formed sulphide deposits. She asked some folks out on > >the ship, and got mixed answers. One scientist said that the "Oman's > >massive sulfide deposits (called Ophialite)" were fossils. Others > >disagreed. What's the view of OUR group? > > > >GcB > >Home of MasMils/PLUS > >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 3 11:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Sat Aug 3 10:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madagascar Ammonites References: <002401c23a81$1ae4f540$75393442@t5k8i6> <02af01c23a8e$a2eb6ca0$c884a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <000e01c23b15$4d126b80$28393442@t5k8i6> Hi John, Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give him a try! Richard Sittinger Mineral of the Month Club ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Gloria Cornish" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Madagascar Ammonites > Hi Richard, > > Last Tucson I worked for a Madagascar Dealer, Maurice Eyraud, of Madamine. > Maurice sells quantities of these from his room in the EI. He's out of town > for long periods of time and may not be able to reply as soon as you'd like, > still ya never know... (email... minerama.fr@wanadoo.fr ) The first > ExtraLapis issue in English was of Madagascar and mentions the Natural > History Museum of Milan as an institution which has pursued active paleo > research there in the past. Perhaps if your able, a contact could be made > there for additional information. Just a couple ideas. Good luck and take > care, > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard@Mineral of the Month Club" > > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:02 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Madagascar Ammonites > > > Hello All, > > I've received a large lot of cut and polished ammonite fossils from Tulear, > Madagascar, and am trying to differentitate the various species. Does anyone > know a good source with perhaps some photos or descriptions of the various > ammonites found there so I can tell one from another? > > Thanks in advance! > > Richard Sittinger > WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club > 1770 Orville Avenue > Cambria, CA 93428 > 805.927.2223 > Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org > www.mineralofthemonthclub.org > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 3 19:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Russ Ranker) Date: Sat Aug 3 18:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Cliffs Mine Museum References: <183.c057b29.2a7c183c@aol.com> <3D4DCBE6.4050103@provide.net> Message-ID: <3D4DCD69.2050304@provide.net> > Hi all: > If anyone is going to be driving through Ishpeming Michigan the newly opened > Cliffs Mine Shaft Museum may be a good place to stretch your legs. They > have a pretty fair mineral collection and artifacts dating back for > quite some time. Local rock hounds run the place and are a nice group to > talk to. > Hours are 12:00 to 5:00 Mon - Sat, closed Sunday. > >> From U.S. 41 north go left on rte. 28 business loop. You cant miss it. > > > Russ > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 3 19:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Aug 3 18:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] north sea crater References: <74.20bf5051.2a7c7bbd@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c23b56$e2299f40$1f1dbed8@powertech.net> According to the Sky and Telescope Weekly News bulletin, the crater is 3 km wide by 300 meters deep. check out http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/current/article_685_1.asp Margaret > Anybody have any idea what impact (Tongue in cheek) this new discovery has on > the dinosaur extinction theory? This one is in the North Sea but I didn't see > anything about its size. If one impact could kill dinosaurs, multiple impacts > could have been real devastating. > > http://msnbc.com/news/787863.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1 > > Hope the URL works. > > Grant > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 4 02:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sun Aug 4 01:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD -Ebay auctions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020804102618.006a40a4@popmail.libero.it> Hi member list, I have some benitoites on Ebay right now ! low starting bid and NO RESERVE ! Go to: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=itali anminerals Regards, Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 4 11:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Aug 4 10:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Safaris to the worls of Rocks and Minerals References: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6E7@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Message-ID: <3D485AFA.19027F2C@earthlink.net> For over 14 years, Mineral Search Safaris has been taking rockhounds and mineral collectors to foreign localities to get some of the world's best mineral specimens. In addittion to that, they have a great time doing it. Lots of friendship among some of the best scenery in the world. It is really a lot of good, dirty, fun to collect and have your friends with you. We will going to Tanzania in October. March will start the Mexican Adventure again, April to China, May in Peru, June into Tanzania again. Visit my web site, www.mineralsearch.com For more information on these fantastic trips. Walt Bowser From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 4 15:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Sun Aug 4 14:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector Message-ID: Does anyone have an address that he/she knows is current for Ronald Werner of Norway? I have searched the web and got a number of hits, but they all seem to be dead ends.... Regards, Pete -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 4 16:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Aug 4 15:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector References: Message-ID: <3D4DB17C.DC09E55@earthlink.net> Pete, Try Eddie Bengston over that way. He MAY know him if he is fairly well known or he may have access to someone who might. Tell him I sent you the email address. eddie.b@sydnet.net Walt Pete Richards wrote: > Does anyone have an address that he/she knows is current for Ronald Werner of Norway? I have searched the web and got a number of hits, but they all seem to be dead ends.... > > Regards, > Pete > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 4 17:50:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Aug 4 16:50:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector References: <3D4DB17C.DC09E55@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D4DBDBE.D65EDBF3@att.net> Pete, If you have back issues of Lanny Ream's Mineral News, I know Ron wrote an article within the last two years, and his address as well as his e-mail address should be at the top. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 4 22:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Aug 4 21:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new article Message-ID: <12e.15607049.2a7f599a@aol.com> Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my website featuring three photo galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all apart of the John Schneider collection. This is a very good collection and John has some beautiful specimens. If you would like to "check it out", simply go to my Home Page, address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and click on the link. I hope that you enjoy looking over the specimens! Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 5 04:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Mon Aug 5 03:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector References: Message-ID: <000e01c23c67$058203e0$783cfb3e@oemcomputer> Hi Pete, I've met Ronald two weeks ago, so any "fresher" couldn't it be I suppose: Snail-mail address: Ronald Werner P.O.Box 2 N-4733 Evje Norway e-mail-address: werner118@zonnet.nl Best regards, André ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Pete Richards" Aan: Verzonden: zondag 4 augustus 2002 23:25 Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector > Does anyone have an address that he/she knows is current for Ronald Werner of Norway? I have searched the web and got a number of hits, but they all seem to be dead ends.... > > Regards, > Pete > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 5 07:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Mon Aug 5 06:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector In-Reply-To: <000e01c23c67$058203e0$783cfb3e@oemcomputer> References: Message-ID: My thanks to those who answered my request for information about Ronald Werner. And especially to André, who wins the prize for most up-to-date information! Pete Richards >Hi Pete, > >I've met Ronald two weeks ago, so any "fresher" couldn't it be I suppose: > >Snail-mail address: >Ronald Werner >P.O.Box 2 >N-4733 Evje >Norway > > >e-mail-address: >werner118@zonnet.nl > >Best regards, > >André >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >Van: "Pete Richards" >Aan: >Verzonden: zondag 4 augustus 2002 23:25 >Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Norwegian collector > > >> Does anyone have an address that he/she knows is current for Ronald Werner >of Norway? I have searched the web and got a number of hits, but they all >seem to be dead ends.... >> >> Regards, >> Pete >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> R. Peter Richards >> rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >> >> Mineral collector >> Crystallographer >> SHAPE for the Macintosh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 5 17:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kevin k conroy) Date: Mon Aug 5 16:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article Message-ID: <003f01c23cd8$2d0b1a20$8a4e4b0c@kcmins> Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can throw my stuff away in? Nice stuff on these pages! Kevin www.kcminerals.com -----Original Message----- From: Weinrch@aol.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] new article >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my website featuring three photo >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all apart of the John Schneider >collection. This is a very good collection and John has some beautiful >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", simply go to my Home Page, >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and click on the link. I hope >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > >Thanks! > >Dan Weinrich >P.O. Box 425 >Grover, MO 63040 > >http://www.danweinrich.com > >314-378-5567 >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 5 20:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TFAJr) Date: Mon Aug 5 19:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article In-Reply-To: <003f01c23cd8$2d0b1a20$8a4e4b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: What size hole are you looking for. I could probably supply you with one. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of kevin k conroy > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:31 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can throw my stuff away in? > Nice stuff on these pages! > > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Weinrch@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > > > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my website featuring three > photo > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all apart of the John > Schneider > >collection. This is a very good collection and John has some beautiful > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", simply go to my > Home Page, > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and click on the link. I > hope > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > > > >Thanks! > > > >Dan Weinrich > >P.O. Box 425 > >Grover, MO 63040 > > > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > > >314-378-5567 > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 5 22:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (bobo) Date: Mon Aug 5 21:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID...look familiar?? In-Reply-To: <001001c232e2$5d1414b0$272707d8@joe> Message-ID: Hey Clay, Late reply, just rolled in after 2 weeks in the mtns..... Check out the pix I've uploaded (below)....the material you describe, plus the mention of being found on cliffs at the end of a rope in a Southern state make me think you may have run across a specimen from a portion of my collection which I sold in Quartzsite & Tucson this year. Material is Goethite, coated with Turgite (iridescent Hematite, if you prefer)....location is Graves Mtn in Lincoln County, GA. http://home.mindspring.com/~xtls8r/images/Tur_goe.jpg http://home.mindspring.com/~xtls8r/images/webs.jpg http://home.mindspring.com/~xtls8r/images/pretzel.jpg A reference may be found in Rock & Gem, August of '96 I believe (sans the 'Turgite' moniker). My apologies for the poor photos..... bobo -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of clayandkip Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:19 PM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. I recently visited a rock and gem show and came across a piece that looks like "slag" that has been fired in a kiln with pottery glaze. The prominent color being a bright purple. The vender said it is found in one of the lower southern states , dug out of a cliff side.And I cannot remember the name of it. Can anyone tell me the name of this stuff so I can do some research on it?...........( and no laughing ) : ) Thanks ........Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/16/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 5 23:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Aug 5 22:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID...look familiar?? References: Message-ID: <000601c23d08$a81bebb0$0c2707d8@joe> bobo: YES.............Thats it. I have been going nuts trying to find that stuff. Thank you very much ! Will you contact me via clkpmcdol@bentonrea.com Clay ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobo" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] ID...look familiar?? > Hey Clay, > > Late reply, just rolled in after 2 weeks in the mtns..... > > Check out the pix I've uploaded (below)....the material you describe, > plus the mention of being found on cliffs at the end of a rope in a > Southern state make me think you may have run across a specimen > from a portion of my collection which I sold in Quartzsite & Tucson this > year. Material is Goethite, coated with Turgite (iridescent Hematite, > if you prefer)....location is Graves Mtn in Lincoln County, GA. > > http://home.mindspring.com/~xtls8r/images/Tur_goe.jpg > http://home.mindspring.com/~xtls8r/images/webs.jpg > http://home.mindspring.com/~xtls8r/images/pretzel.jpg > > A reference may be found in Rock & Gem, August of '96 I believe (sans > the 'Turgite' moniker). My apologies for the poor photos..... > > bobo > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of clayandkip > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:19 PM > To: rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. > > > I recently visited a rock and gem show and came across a piece that looks > like "slag" that has been fired in a kiln with pottery glaze. The prominent > color being a bright purple. The vender said it is found in one of the lower > southern states , dug out of a cliff side.And I cannot remember the name of > it. > > Can anyone tell me the name of this stuff so I can do some research on > it?...........( and no laughing ) : ) > > Thanks ........Clay > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/16/2002 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 02:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 6 01:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article References: <003f01c23cd8$2d0b1a20$8a4e4b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <003601c23d27$8c6bf760$8a9c77d5@pandora.be> > Holy Cow! Personally, I'm a jellyfish worshiper but you are of course free to choose your religion ..... ;-D)))))))))))) >Does anybody have a hole that I can throw my stuff away in? Throw it this way, don't listen to the others.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Weinrch@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > > > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my website featuring three > photo > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all apart of the John > Schneider > >collection. This is a very good collection and John has some beautiful > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", simply go to my Home Page, > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and click on the link. I > hope > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > > > >Thanks! > > > >Dan Weinrich > >P.O. Box 425 > >Grover, MO 63040 > > > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > > >314-378-5567 > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 09:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jane Davis) Date: Tue Aug 6 08:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article References: <003f01c23cd8$2d0b1a20$8a4e4b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <001b01c23d62$75ada9c0$a68a4d0c@jade> I concur wholeheartedly.. really nice specimens and a great site. The photography is excellent and the information interesting. I'll just stay out here on the fringes, finding what I can and loving the adventure of it while learning what I can, Jane (demoting herself back to rock puppy designation) :^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin k conroy" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can throw my stuff away in? > Nice stuff on these pages! > > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Weinrch@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > > > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my website featuring three > photo > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all apart of the John > Schneider > >collection. This is a very good collection and John has some beautiful > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", simply go to my Home Page, > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and click on the link. I > hope > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > > > >Thanks! > > > >Dan Weinrich > >P.O. Box 425 > >Grover, MO 63040 > > > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > > >314-378-5567 > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 10:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Tue Aug 6 09:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - flats for sale Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020806181100.0068ba88@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, just returned from a lucky field trip in Tuscany, Italy. There are some flats of real nice and bright hematite from Isola Elba (black shining crystals of 0.5-1 cm), and some flats of the rare spheroid/cubic MELANOPHLOGITE, about which a nice article appered on the Min Rec. This melanophlogite is from Italy and shows nice coverage on trachite matrix. If interested, please, email me off-list at: italianminerals@libero.it Thanks, Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 10:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Tue Aug 6 09:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article References: <003f01c23cd8$2d0b1a20$8a4e4b0c@kcmins> <001b01c23d62$75ada9c0$a68a4d0c@jade> Message-ID: <3D4FF6BA.3072CD21@ptd.net> Folks, This is a call to pull yourselves out of the pit you have thrown yourself in!! Dan, I am not trying to minimize the quality of the specimens you displayed and photographed; GREAT STUFF! But, folks... I bet everyone of us has a specimen that on it's own meets or exceeds the quality of the specimens displayed. And not to insinuate any trickery, but lighting, orientation and even just the grouping of specimens can greatly enhance the appearance of any specimen. Also as to size... sometimes we are caught up in what appears to be a rather large specimen... Example a 10cm specimen is not 10 inches... not even close just about 4 inches or picture a "long' or 100 cigarette... that's 10cm!!! What I'm really trying to do here folks is call you to bring out your specimens, try something's with them with lighting and take some photos.... I think you may surprise yourself as to the quality of the specimens you have!!! Just remember crystal quality and evenness of color contribute heavily to this, not so much size.. And again; Dan, GREAT STUFF but folks nothing to throw down the rock hammers over.... Jane Davis wrote: > I concur wholeheartedly.. really nice specimens and a great site. The > photography is excellent and the information interesting. I'll just stay > out here on the fringes, finding what I can and loving the adventure of it > while learning what I can, > Jane (demoting herself back to rock puppy designation) :^) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevin k conroy" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > > > > > > >Dan Weinrich > > >P.O. Box 425 > > >Grover, MO 63040 > > > > > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > > > > >314-378-5567 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 10:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Keim) Date: Tue Aug 6 09:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: 50% off sale Message-ID: Hi list, 50% off on the silver, cubanite, augelite, and acanthite pages specified at www.marinmineral.com Get them while they last! Mike Keim The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Its contents (including any attachments) are confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient you must not use, disclose, disseminate, copy or print its contents. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete and destroy the message. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 17:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Aug 6 16:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806131340.02a50ec0@mail.aloha.net> G'day all, Here=92s a report on our trip to Australia, with some about Hawaii lava at= =20 the end. It=92s mostly about rocks, but has a few off-topic items that I=20 hope will be interesting to some of you anyway. Bill and I left Hawaii on= =20 July 1 and spent a week exploring Sydney. We went to the Australian Museum= =20 and saw 2 spectacular displays: =93Planet of Minerals,=94 and the Albert=20 Chapman Exhibit. There are also great dinosaur and fossil displays. For a= =20 look at the museum=92s website go to: http://www.austmus.gov.au/ We went in several opal shops to get a feel for what kinds of opal are=20 available, such as =93white=94 or =93light=94 from White Cliffs and Coober= Pedy,=20 =93black=94 or =93dark=94 from Lightening Ridge, =93sand=94 or =93matrix=94,= =93boulder=94 and=20 Yowah from Queensland---most shops had some rough or polished specimens not= =20 made into jewelry, but all were extremely expensive. We decided we needed= =20 to go to a few of the sources. We went to =93La Boheme=94 at the Sydney Opera House, and it was all we=92d= hoped=20 it would be---excellent! One interesting aspect: the architect failed to= =20 consider handicap access, so when I requested an elevator (I have bad=20 knees) to avoid climbing the mountain of steps at the entrance, we were=20 escorted to the stage door and got a tour through the enormous back stage=20 areas to reach the stage elevator. Since we both have background in=20 university and community theater, we were delighted to see the =93guts=94 of= =20 stage production at this great opera house. We then went to Hamilton Island near the Great Barrier Reef for Bill=92s=20 conference on Bioastronomy (search for life elsewhere in the=20 universe). Since only the first two days were of interest to him, we=20 skipped out early and went rock hunting (which they call =93fossicking=94)= in=20 Queensland. We weren=92t prepared for serious digging, but kept an eye out= =20 for rock shops and asked at for any easy locations. We found the big shop= =20 on the road between Airlie Beach and Townsville that Jurgen had told us=20 about. A bit touristy, but the people were very friendly and gave us=20 suggestions for our itinerary. We went to Charters Towers and then down to= =20 Emerald, Sapphire, and Rubyvale (don=92t you love those names?). Most of= =20 the fossicking in these areas involves panning, and there were two problems= =20 with that: first, between my bad knees and Bill=92s artificial hip, we=20 weren=92t good candidates for the kneeling and squatting required by= panning,=20 and second, there was no water to pan with! That part of Queensland hasn=92= t=20 had a drop of rain since February, and has been in a state of drought for=20 ten years. The people who mine for sapphires for a living are turning to=20 other professions. On our way back to Hamilton Island we went through=20 Mackay (pronounced like the Hawaiian work for oceanside---makai) and found= =20 a tiny sapphire shop across from The Leap Hotel where they had a small=20 table with really nice specimens of cut and polished opalized wood, agates,= =20 thunder eggs, petrified palm, =93daisy stone=94 and =93ribbon stone.=94 We= bought=20 12 pieces and were charged $35 Australian, which is about $1.75 per piece,= =20 American. Hard to see how they could even pay for the cutting and=20 polishing at that price! Earl Verbeek had told us we=92d see lots of roos= in=20 our driving. We did=85all dead on or beside the road. I know there have=20 been efforts to keep the population of kangaroos and wallabies in check,=20 and in our observation, road traffic is doing a great job of that; same=20 with emus (flightless birds a little like ostriches). We did see a fair=20 number of live roos and emus, however. And other birds! I knew there were= =20 parrots in Australia, but seeing flocks of hundreds of cockatoos and dozens= =20 of galahs (like a pink parrot) was stunning. And speaking of traffic: the= =20 outback roads were two-lane, sometimes just one lane but with wide enough=20 shoulders for two vehicles to pass in a cloud of red dust; the standard=20 view ahead was of endless road absolutely straight to the horizon, and=20 until you have seen a =93Road Train,=94 you have not seen a long truck and= =20 trailer. The longest Road Trains have three trailers, and are 52 meters=20 long. Imagine seeing a truck coming down the road that is half the length= =20 of a football field! We flew back to Sydney and rented another car for exploring New South=20 Wales. We drove along part of the =93Fossickers=92 Way,=94 a route that was= =20 supposed to have many old mines and fossicking areas, but most were either= =20 not open to the public, or were designed for panning. On the New England=20 Highway we found a wonderful rock shop on the outskirts of Glen Innes, run= =20 by Ed and Barbara Knevett. Piles and boxes and bins of rocks were=20 outside; we entered and a little dog announced to Ed that we were there,=20 and he came out from a back workroom where a tumbler could be heard=20 rumbling. When he perceived that we were happy prowling among the shelves= =20 of his shop, he retreated, apparently judging that we looked=20 trustworthy. Eventually he returned and we bought another dozen=20 specimens, the most expensive of which was a piece of interesting shaped=20 matrix with clusters of clear bubbles of fluorescent hyalite from=20 Kiamkillembun, Queensland, for $15 ($9 US). We went on to the Glen Innes= =20 Visitors=92 Centre and right across the street was an interesting sight: a= =20 little house on a small ridge with a sloping front yard completely covered= =20 with rocks. This turned out to be the Crystal Cottage, and all the=20 material in the yard was from a nearby mine, for sale at $20 a bucket or=20 $20 for any large single piece. We went on to Lightning Ridge, where we sought a lady Ed Knevett had told=20 us about: Jan Ridding. We called her for directions, and she welcomed us=20 warmly and began to tell her story. For 35 years Jan was an Outback Nurse,= =20 which meant that she was doctor, dentist and veterinarian for remote=20 ranching stations and Aboriginal villages. Needless to say, this was one=20 tough lady. Three years ago she decided to do something with her hobby of= =20 collecting opals. After introducing us to her 84-year-old mother and her=20 Blue Heeler dog (who was actually red, not blue), she led us through rooms= =20 crammed with books, magazines and knick-knacks, to her shop. Here there=20 were 3 chairs (she had to shove stuff off 2 of them for us to sit), and=20 barely a square meter of space to move around among boxes and bags and=20 sacks of=85well, stuff. Peeking out through the stuff were pieces of metal= =20 suggesting various tools and machines for cutting, polishing and=20 drilling. She showed us some of her work, opal jewelry, and it was lovely= =20 and belied her tough manner; her scarred and arthritic hands held out=20 necklaces and rings of delicate sophistication and charm. Cubbyholes were= =20 filled with jewelry findings and plastic bags of opal rough. Jan asked us= =20 what we were interested in, and then began pulling out sacks and boxes of=20 opal in various sizes. We ended up buying a piece of Lightening Ridge=20 boulder opal that has lots of play of light and an unusual streak of=20 lavender, and a polished piece of Yowah opal, which is brown matrix with=20 turquoise opal seams forming patterns which suggest Aboriginal designs. We= =20 had seen a similar piece in a Sydney shop for $1200; Jan charged $50 ($30= =20 US). Lightening Ridge has opal shops all along the main street. One interesting= =20 and rather cutesy one is The Opal Cave, run by Herman & Sandy Kreller (who= =20 have another address in Knoxville, TN). The exterior of the shop is made=20 to look sort of like a mine, with signs on either side of the =93cave=20 entrance=94 that say: =93Australia=92s Most Yuniqe Opal Shop. Best=20 Deels. Lowest Prices. No Worries.=94 Herman is a character: a master=20 salesman---perhaps wheeler-dealer---with a slight German accent, lots of=20 stories to tell, and a wry sense of humor. He spoke sadly about how if he= =20 lowered his prices any more he=92d have no profit and would lose his=20 business, but as soon as the sale was made he complained having trouble=20 getting parts for his Rolls Royce! Our next objective was White Cliffs, which we reached by way of Cobar,=20 another mining town. At White Cliffs we stayed at PJ=92s Underground, a B&B= =20 built in old mining tunnels. Many buildings are underground to be cooler=20 in the intense heat of summer. We were able to fossick around many open=20 opal pits; we didn=92t find anything worth keeping---except some gypsum in= =20 nice shapes and red and white color, some of which fluoresces pastel pink=20 and yellow---but it was interesting to see how the opal mining works. The= =20 town is tiny, and worth checking out on the Internet (several sites) for=20 description and history. One interesting place is Joe=92s Opal Shop. Joe= =20 Curovich has been trying to sell his business for so long that the =93Closin= g=20 Out Sale=94 sign is faded and barely readable. The shop is built out of=20 empty beer bottles cemented together, bottoms to the outside, so on the=20 inside, the walls glow with amber-brown circles when the sun hits=20 them. He has a piece of black =93sand=94 opal about 20 cm across that=20 presents an image from a certain angle that looks like a Koala Bear in=20 turquoise, yellow and green, with streaks of red and orange, like flames,=20 in the background. He wanted $1500 ($900 US), which we thought was a real= =20 bargain, but we wouldn=92t have been able to buy anything else on the trip= if=20 we had gotten it, and our next stop was Broken Hill. We did get a nice=20 piece of =93White Cliffs Opal,=94 which is---appropriately enough---very= light=20 colored opal in white siliceous sandstone matrix. Broken Hill! Fascinating town. Houses all have a small yard with a wall=20 or sturdy fence separating it from the street or sidewalk; most walls are=20 brick, stone or cement, but some are just corrugated metal. There are=20 wonderful old historic buildings, and art galleries everywhere! Huge mine= =20 tailings form a backdrop for the town on one side. We went to a shop that= =20 had an excellent display about the history and process of mining, with a=20 good presentation given by a retired miner. Mine tours were available, but= =20 we passed (too much climbing and walking). We did a little fossicking=20 with the help of mud maps from Les (don=92t know if the term =93mud map=94= is=20 common outside Oz, but they are hand-drawn sketch diagrams, and Les was=20 kind enough to Xerox and mail ones to us for many fossicking=20 locations). Our greatest finds in Broken Hill were two wonderful men and= =20 their mineral collections: Milton Lavers calls his place =93Silver City Minerals,=94 in a brochure=20 available at the Visitor=92s Centre, but it is really a shed in the back= yard=20 of his home (behind a wall). He has over 4000 specimens exclusively from=20 Broken Hill. The main mine sources are New Broken Hill Consolidated, Zinc= =20 Confederation Mine, Junction Mine, 3 M (Mineral, Mining & Metallurgy), and= =20 BHP (Broken Hill Proprietary). He has several small rooms of pieces in=20 lighted display cabinets, most for sale at reasonable prices. He=92s got 2= =20 small rooms of specimens not for sale, and they are museum quality! Milton= =20 is a retired miner himself, and has many stories to tell. He sang me =93Hom= e=20 on the Range=94 as one of his favorite songs! In return I sang =93Kookaburr= a=20 Sits in the Old Gum Tree,=94 but he=92d never heard of it! Among the pieces= we=20 bought was a strange-looking 6cm ball of Smithsonite from the Floss=20 Campbell collection (Milton told us he was a well-known collector, but we=20 hadn=92t heard of him; have any of you?). The other human treasure is Barry Braes. The manager of a little museum of= =20 mining history called =93Photographic Recollections,=94 told us about him= and=20 gave directions to his home. It=92s a familiar case of a rock hound who=20 started out with a few boxes of rocks in the garage, and now the whole=20 garage and two rooms of his home are crammed with boxes, drawers, shelves=20 and display cases of specimens. He=92s a retired mining engineer. He has= =20 no price labels because he doesn=92t consider himself in business yet, and= he=20 clearly was not comfortable assigning values for the pieces we=20 selected. He says he=92s planning on doing a little research to price more= =20 of his stuff later on. We bought 27 pieces for a total of $100 ($60 US),=20 and these were so beautiful and unusual that it seemed almost embarrassing= =20 that he charged so little. One shelf was all rhodonite which he planned to= =20 keep; I asked if he might consider selling me a small piece of red crystal= =20 with galena, he said he'd think about it, and eventually tossed it in for=20 free! He has some fluorescent pieces; of particular interest is=20 Wollastonite that fluoresces almost completely solid bright orange instead= =20 of the speckled, dotted, or patched pattern we=92ve gotten from Sterling=20 Hill, NJ. A gracious gentleman, he appeared to like Americans, and walked= =20 all the way out to our car and waved as we drove away. After just 2 days in Broken Hill we had to head back to Sydney to start the= =20 long trip home. As we drove across New South Wales---always keeping a=20 sharp eye out to avoid hitting roos and emus---we thought about our=20 month-long stay in the Land of Oz: the vast and awesome scenery of the=20 outback, the amazing birds and other exotic critters, the interesting towns= =20 and rock shops, but most of all the people! Everyone was open, friendly,=20 talkative, humorous, helpful, and so=85well, vigorous and full of life! We= =20 hope to go back next summer and see more, especially Tasmania, though we=20 folks from Hawaii had trouble digging up enough warm clothes, and we never= =20 got south of Sydney! So on July 28 (in Australia) we flew back to Hawaii, arriving at 11 PM on=20 July 27. We spent the night at a Honolulu airport hotel but found that the= =20 Aloha Airlines ticket agent had been confused by the dateline, and our=20 return ticket to Hilo was for 10AM July 27. At 6AM on the 28th we tried to= =20 change to that day, but found that all flights were booked for the entire=20 week because of people going to see the lava pouring into the ocean! So we= =20 called Hawaiian Air and got the last 2 seats available on a flight leaving= =20 at 7:30 that morning; we got downstairs in 15 minutes to catch the shuttle= =20 to the airport, without even stopping to brush our teeth! Now that the=20 lava story has appeared on national TV, the airlines have begun adding=20 extra flights. Here=92s a website if you=92re interested in seeing the lava display without= =20 leaving home: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/ Click on =93Eruption Update=94 for spectacular photos of the lava by day and= =20 night. Unlike some Internet sites where an attempt to enlarge a picture=20 produces one only slightly bigger or grainy, these photos blow up to full=20 screen with excellent quality. If any of you would like contact information for the shops and dealers we=20 found in Oz, let me know off-list; I have address and phone number for=20 most, and e-mail for a couple. Also if you decide to come to the Big=20 Island to see the lava (and can get airline reservations!) contact us=20 off-list and we can give you tips on how to find some unusual points of=20 interest, like the telescopes on top of Mauna Kea, and =93Green Sand=20 Beach.=94 We might even show you our mineral collection! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 17:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gloria Hoover) Date: Tue Aug 6 16:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] white star sapphire Message-ID: <3D5061A1.3E54CEEC@earthlink.net> Hi A friend of ours wants to purchase a white star sapphire (she has found the one she wants) and would like more info such as history, legends, where they are found, etc. I can find lots of web sites that sell the stones but not the info. Any suggestions, knowledge, etc. Thanks Gloria -- http://natures-emporium.com/ Jewelry, bookends, amethyst geodes, decor items, tumbled stones http://frontporchcoffee.com unroasted green coffee & custom roasted coffee From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 18:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 6 17:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad:Minerals Message-ID: <167.11db3cc6.2a81c2d5@aol.com> As most know I'm 99% fossil collector, however a friend asked me to sell some of his mineral collection on e-bay. These will be appearing over the next few months. There will be a couple of hundred specimens all told. For what it's worth these were in his personal collection so there is a lot of variety and some pretty minerals with some decent quality. Check out http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems& userid=fossilnut3&completed=0&sort=2&since=-1&include=0&page=1&rows=25 Or if that fails search for auctions of Fossilnut3 Gene Hartstein Newark, DE From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 19:11:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 6 18:11:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article References: <003f01c23cd8$2d0b1a20$8a4e4b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <3D50739D.1037@Tomaszewski.net> Kevin, You can always throw rocks my way (postage paid please), but label them first so I know where they are coming from. Kreigh kevin k conroy wrote: > > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can throw my stuff away in? > Nice stuff on these pages! > > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Weinrch@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my website featuring three > photo > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all apart of the John > Schneider > >collection. This is a very good collection and John has some beautiful > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", simply go to my Home Page, > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and click on the link. I > hope > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > > > >Thanks! > > > >Dan Weinrich > >P.O. Box 425 > >Grover, MO 63040 > > > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > > >314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 20:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 6 19:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks Message-ID: <3D507FD1.2958@Tomaszewski.net> You've probably heard the story of the recent theft of moonrocks from NASA and their recovery due to the efforts of Axel Emmermann, a rockhound from Belgium. I have proposed to NASA that Axel be presented with an encased moonrock, similar to those presented to other dignitaries in the past, for his heroic effort in the recovery of priceless specimens from every Apollo mission. I am asking that you contact Mr. Louis Parker, the Johnson Space Center Exhibits Manager (louis.a.parker1@jsc.nasa.gov), and extend your support to my proposal (that I understand NASA is still considering). I have put together a webpage with details of the stolen moonrocks and my proposal to NASA at http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Moonrocks.shtml should you want further information about either. Axel has earned a moonrock (that he never expected) for doing the right thing in extraordinary circumstances. Giving him one would be a powerful positive message, with good exposure for many areas of interest we share. We need more heros and good news. Thank you for helping make it possible with your support. Kreigh Tomaszewski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 20:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek) Date: Tue Aug 6 19:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribean Message-ID: <001001c23dd2$41b1c0f0$d87142d8@dlevinp0757px3> I am planning to take a sailing trip to the Caribbean beginning in = October. I'll be starting in Virginia and going south as far as the = coast of South America. We're taking quite a bit of time to do this. =20 I'm interested in interesting geology to explore in the islands and what = lapidary materials might be available. I know about Dominican Amber. I = am also aware of larimar, though I don't know exactly where it's mined. = I've also seen opal from Cuba that is common but a very nice green, = though of course we won't be going to that island, what else might I = expect and does anyone have advice or warnings. Derek --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 21:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 6 20:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribean Message-ID: <1ad.655da63.2a81e743@aol.com> Don't you need an in-voyage consultant?? (-: In a message dated 8/6/02 7:21:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stoneage@vermontel.net writes: << Subj: [Rockhounds] Carribean Date: 8/6/02 7:21:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: stoneage@vermontel.net (Derek) Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rocksandfossils@yahoogroups.com (Rocks & Fossils), rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds) I am planning to take a sailing trip to the Caribbean beginning in October. I'll be starting in Virginia and going south as far as the coast of South America. We're taking quite a bit of time to do this. I'm interested in interesting geology to explore in the islands and what lapidary materials might be available. I know about Dominican Amber. I am also aware of larimar, though I don't know exactly where it's mined. I've also seen opal from Cuba that is common but a very nice green, though of course we won't be going to that island, what else might I expect and does anyone have advice or warnings. Derek >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 21:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Tue Aug 6 20:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article In-Reply-To: <3D50739D.1037@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20020807032855.71255.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Kevin, I'll do all one better. I'll come over to your place and empty your display cases for you. No muss no fuss. Despite the consideration of size and good photography I doubt most of us even have one rock nicer than the ones on the site. I'm guessing it took quite a bit more cash than most of us can spend on rocks to put that collection together since 1992. Cheers, Stan --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Kevin, > > You can always throw rocks my way (postage paid > please), but label them > first so I know where they are coming from. > > Kreigh > > > > > kevin k conroy wrote: > > > > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can > throw my stuff away in? > > Nice stuff on these pages! > > > > Kevin > > www.kcminerals.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Weinrch@aol.com > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > > > > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my > website featuring three > > photo > > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all > apart of the John > > Schneider > > >collection. This is a very good collection and > John has some beautiful > > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", > simply go to my Home Page, > > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and > click on the link. I > > hope > > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >Dan Weinrich > > >P.O. Box 425 > > >Grover, MO 63040 > > > > > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > > > > >314-378-5567 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 21:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kevin k conroy) Date: Tue Aug 6 20:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article Message-ID: <004a01c23dc5$cb90a0a0$a02d4b0c@kcmins> Hi! I really appreciate all of the offers (both on and off list) to help me dispose of my collection. However, those who've seen my display cases realize that my basement probably would qualify for a Superfund Clean-up Site because of all the galena specimens. Add to that the weird ugly stuff that I like, and, well, I think I would be burdening you all with some downright sight pollution too. I guess I'll just have to hold onto my stuff for a while. All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com -----Original Message----- From: Stan Perry To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ; Kevin Conroy Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article >Kevin, > >I'll do all one better. I'll come over to your place >and empty your display cases for you. No muss no >fuss. > >Despite the consideration of size and good photography >I doubt most of us even have one rock nicer than the >ones on the site. I'm guessing it took quite a bit >more cash than most of us can spend on rocks to put >that collection together since 1992. > >Cheers, >Stan > >--- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >> Kevin, >> >> You can always throw rocks my way (postage paid >> please), but label them >> first so I know where they are coming from. >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> >> >> kevin k conroy wrote: >> > >> > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can >> throw my stuff away in? >> > Nice stuff on these pages! >> > >> > Kevin >> > www.kcminerals.com >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Weinrch@aol.com >> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >> >> > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article >> > >> > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my >> website featuring three >> > photo >> > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all >> apart of the John >> > Schneider >> > >collection. This is a very good collection and >> John has some beautiful >> > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", >> simply go to my Home Page, >> > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and >> click on the link. I >> > hope >> > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! >> > > >> > >Thanks! >> > > >> > >Dan Weinrich >> > >P.O. Box 425 >> > >Grover, MO 63040 >> > > >> > >http://www.danweinrich.com >> > > >> > >314-378-5567 >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >===== >Stan Perry >Our Gangue Minerals >www.emineralshow.com >Ebay seller ID rgangue >e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 6 22:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Tue Aug 6 21:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports Message-ID: Kitty, As my kids would say, "Awesome story"! The photos of the lava are "tight" too! Thanks for the report, hope to make it down under some day. Dawn Fredricks dawnmfredricks@msn.com >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports >Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:39:49 -1000 > >G'day all, > >Here’s a report on our trip to Australia, with some about Hawaii lava at >the end. It’s mostly about rocks, but has a few off-topic _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 03:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Aug 7 02:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article References: <004a01c23dc5$cb90a0a0$a02d4b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <001b01c23df6$945f06e0$6c9e77d5@pandora.be> Goodmornin' all before emptying your cabinets with calcite from such localities as the Wessel mine or the 'N Cwaning #2 mine (near Kuruman, Namibia)... Try to get hold of a mid-range UV and Short Wave UV lamp and lamp those specimens. Especially those white glossy dog-teeth calcites from N'Chwaning. You'd be amazed how beautifull they are... I tried this on some specimens I have and the 312nm mid-range lamp causes a stunning fluorescence in them. It's almost like looking in the oven of a glass-blower... Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin k conroy" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > Hi! > > I really appreciate all of the offers (both on and off list) to help me > dispose of my collection. However, those who've seen my display cases > realize that my basement probably would qualify for a Superfund Clean-up > Site because of all the galena specimens. Add to that the weird ugly stuff > that I like, and, well, I think I would be burdening you all with some > downright sight pollution too. I guess I'll just have to hold onto my > stuff for a while. > > All the best, > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Perry > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ; Kevin > Conroy > Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > > >Kevin, > > > >I'll do all one better. I'll come over to your place > >and empty your display cases for you. No muss no > >fuss. > > > >Despite the consideration of size and good photography > >I doubt most of us even have one rock nicer than the > >ones on the site. I'm guessing it took quite a bit > >more cash than most of us can spend on rocks to put > >that collection together since 1992. > > > >Cheers, > >Stan > > > >--- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> Kevin, > >> > >> You can always throw rocks my way (postage paid > >> please), but label them > >> first so I know where they are coming from. > >> > >> Kreigh > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> kevin k conroy wrote: > >> > > >> > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can > >> throw my stuff away in? > >> > Nice stuff on these pages! > >> > > >> > Kevin > >> > www.kcminerals.com > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Weinrch@aol.com > >> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >> > >> > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > >> > > >> > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my > >> website featuring three > >> > photo > >> > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all > >> apart of the John > >> > Schneider > >> > >collection. This is a very good collection and > >> John has some beautiful > >> > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", > >> simply go to my Home Page, > >> > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and > >> click on the link. I > >> > hope > >> > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > >> > > > >> > >Thanks! > >> > > > >> > >Dan Weinrich > >> > >P.O. Box 425 > >> > >Grover, MO 63040 > >> > > > >> > >http://www.danweinrich.com > >> > > > >> > >314-378-5567 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >===== > >Stan Perry > >Our Gangue Minerals > >www.emineralshow.com > >Ebay seller ID rgangue > >e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > >http://health.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 04:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Sorrell) Date: Wed Aug 7 03:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports Message-ID: <200208071018.g77AICJE016540@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Kitty Great report. Sounds like you had a brilliant trip. You managed to get to the second best place in Australia (Broken Hill). Hopefully next time you will make it to the best (Tasmania of course) and I'll look out for collecting spots that are knee-friendly! Isn't Milton Lavers a great bloke. The first time that I met him was about 15 years ago. It's unfortunate that his collection which, as you say is mostly for sale, won't stay intact as one. BTW, when I was working up in Alice Springs, I saw a photo of a road train (alleged to be THE biggest) and it was 70-something metres long and comprised 5 trailers! Regards Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 07:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Aug 7 06:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806131340.02a50ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D511AE0.8040605@emory.edu> Kitty: Great storytelling. You should write a book about your adventures and give those knees a rest! Thanks for the USGS link. What a great bunch of photos of lava: especially the video clips of the lava meeting the sea. I want to fly to Hawaii right now and see it in real time. Anita From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 07:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 7 06:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article Message-ID: <20020807133511.FDLF25426.fl-webmail02@fl-webmail02> What a man! What a man! Always looking out for the common good. Is there maybe a political office ahead for such a leader? Kevin, you have my vote. Now, just tell me for what office you're running. John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee > > From: "kevin k conroy" > Date: 2002/08/06 Tue PM 11:52:02 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > Hi! > > I really appreciate all of the offers (both on and off list) to help me > dispose of my collection. However, those who've seen my display cases > realize that my basement probably would qualify for a Superfund Clean-up > Site because of all the galena specimens. Add to that the weird ugly stuff > that I like, and, well, I think I would be burdening you all with some > downright sight pollution too. I guess I'll just have to hold onto my > stuff for a while. > > All the best, > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Perry > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ; Kevin > Conroy > Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > > >Kevin, > > > >I'll do all one better. I'll come over to your place > >and empty your display cases for you. No muss no > >fuss. > > > >Despite the consideration of size and good photography > >I doubt most of us even have one rock nicer than the > >ones on the site. I'm guessing it took quite a bit > >more cash than most of us can spend on rocks to put > >that collection together since 1992. > > > >Cheers, > >Stan > > > >--- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> Kevin, > >> > >> You can always throw rocks my way (postage paid > >> please), but label them > >> first so I know where they are coming from. > >> > >> Kreigh > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> kevin k conroy wrote: > >> > > >> > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can > >> throw my stuff away in? > >> > Nice stuff on these pages! > >> > > >> > Kevin > >> > www.kcminerals.com > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Weinrch@aol.com > >> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >> > >> > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > >> > > >> > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my > >> website featuring three > >> > photo > >> > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all > >> apart of the John > >> > Schneider > >> > >collection. This is a very good collection and > >> John has some beautiful > >> > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", > >> simply go to my Home Page, > >> > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and > >> click on the link. I > >> > hope > >> > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > >> > > > >> > >Thanks! > >> > > > >> > >Dan Weinrich > >> > >P.O. Box 425 > >> > >Grover, MO 63040 > >> > > > >> > >http://www.danweinrich.com > >> > > > >> > >314-378-5567 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >===== > >Stan Perry > >Our Gangue Minerals > >www.emineralshow.com > >Ebay seller ID rgangue > >e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > >http://health.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 09:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Wed Aug 7 08:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article References: <004a01c23dc5$cb90a0a0$a02d4b0c@kcmins> <001b01c23df6$945f06e0$6c9e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <002501c23e29$ec70ec80$764227c4@horstspc> Good evening all, Just to get yoiur geography correct, Kuruman is NOT in Namibia; Kuruman is in the Northern Cape, just to the southwest of it lie the Kalahari Manganese Fields (Wessels, N'Chwaning, Hotazel ("hot as hell'), Gloucester, Langdon, etc), whilst Tsumeb is in northern Namibia, the distance (by road) between these two localities is about 1 500 km (as the crow flies it is possibly 900 km) Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > Goodmornin' all > > before emptying your cabinets with calcite from such localities as the > Wessel mine or the 'N Cwaning #2 mine (near Kuruman, Namibia)... > Try to get hold of a mid-range UV and Short Wave UV lamp and lamp those > specimens. Especially those white glossy dog-teeth calcites from N'Chwaning. > You'd be amazed how beautifull they are... I tried this on some specimens I > have and the 312nm mid-range lamp causes a stunning fluorescence in them. > It's almost like looking in the oven of a glass-blower... > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbeplein 12 > 2640 Mortsel > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevin k conroy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > > > Hi! > > > > I really appreciate all of the offers (both on and off list) to help me > > dispose of my collection. However, those who've seen my display cases > > realize that my basement probably would qualify for a Superfund Clean-up > > Site because of all the galena specimens. Add to that the weird ugly > stuff > > that I like, and, well, I think I would be burdening you all with some > > downright sight pollution too. I guess I'll just have to hold onto my > > stuff for a while. > > > > All the best, > > Kevin > > www.kcminerals.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stan Perry > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ; Kevin > > Conroy > > Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new Tsumeb article > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > >I'll do all one better. I'll come over to your place > > >and empty your display cases for you. No muss no > > >fuss. > > > > > >Despite the consideration of size and good photography > > >I doubt most of us even have one rock nicer than the > > >ones on the site. I'm guessing it took quite a bit > > >more cash than most of us can spend on rocks to put > > >that collection together since 1992. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Stan > > > > > >--- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > >> Kevin, > > >> > > >> You can always throw rocks my way (postage paid > > >> please), but label them > > >> first so I know where they are coming from. > > >> > > >> Kreigh > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> kevin k conroy wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Holy Cow! Does anybody have a hole that I can > > >> throw my stuff away in? > > >> > Nice stuff on these pages! > > >> > > > >> > Kevin > > >> > www.kcminerals.com > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Weinrch@aol.com > > >> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >> > > >> > Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:34 PM > > >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] new article > > >> > > > >> > >Hi! I have recently posted a new article to my > > >> website featuring three > > >> > photo > > >> > >galleries of specimens from Tsumeb, Namibia, all > > >> apart of the John > > >> > Schneider > > >> > >collection. This is a very good collection and > > >> John has some beautiful > > >> > >specimens. If you would like to "check it out", > > >> simply go to my Home Page, > > >> > >address is listed at the bottom of this mail, and > > >> click on the link. I > > >> > hope > > >> > >that you enjoy looking over the specimens! > > >> > > > > >> > >Thanks! > > >> > > > > >> > >Dan Weinrich > > >> > >P.O. Box 425 > > >> > >Grover, MO 63040 > > >> > > > > >> > >http://www.danweinrich.com > > >> > > > > >> > >314-378-5567 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >> Subscription Services: > > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Stan Perry > > >Our Gangue Minerals > > >www.emineralshow.com > > >Ebay seller ID rgangue > > >e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > >http://health.yahoo.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 10:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Wed Aug 7 09:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] display Message-ID: <001101c23e32$e3b87a00$722707d8@joe> Hello everyone; I need some small plastic display cases can anyone direct me to a = source. Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 11:10:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 7 10:10:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] display Message-ID: <95.20b4c8cc.2a82ae48@aol.com> Try Jule Art's website http://www.jule-art.com/ (-: In a message dated 8/7/02 9:55:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, clkpmcdol@bentonrea.com writes: << Subj: [Rockhounds] display Date: 8/7/02 9:55:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: clkpmcdol@bentonrea.com (clayandkip) Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds) Hello everyone; I need some small plastic display cases can anyone direct me to a source. Clay >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 12:15:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Aug 7 11:15:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks References: <3D507FD1.2958@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003801c23e3e$eff069c0$6c9e77d5@pandora.be> I really don't know what to say except thank you! I'm a bit (read: completely) overwhelmed by this ongoing effort and, naturally, it makes me feel good that such a small act from me made such a difference for so many. However, I don't consider a simple act of honesty to be heroic nor do I feel like a hero ;-) Being honest comes as a result having good and responsible parents, it is something you are taught! Not something you "acquire" by being exceptionally brave or smart (however, smart helps ;-)))))). Reporting a crime is maybe a little less evidend but still... not heroic in my book. Nevertheless, thank you all for your efforts. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > You've probably heard the story of the recent theft of moonrocks from > NASA and their recovery due to the efforts of Axel Emmermann, a > rockhound from Belgium. > > I have proposed to NASA that Axel be presented with an encased moonrock, > similar to those presented to other dignitaries in the past, for his > heroic effort in the recovery of priceless specimens from every Apollo > mission. > > I am asking that you contact Mr. Louis Parker, the Johnson Space Center > Exhibits Manager (louis.a.parker1@jsc.nasa.gov), and extend your support > to my proposal (that I understand NASA is still considering). > > I have put together a webpage with details of the stolen moonrocks and > my proposal to NASA at > http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Moonrocks.shtml > should you want further information about either. > > Axel has earned a moonrock (that he never expected) for doing the right > thing in extraordinary circumstances. Giving him one would be a powerful > positive message, with good exposure for many areas of interest we > share. We need more heros and good news. Thank you for helping make it > possible with your support. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 13:56:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Wed Aug 7 12:56:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] display In-Reply-To: <001101c23e32$e3b87a00$722707d8@joe> Message-ID: clayandkip2002.08.07. 09:52clkpmcdol@bentonrea.com Hello everyone; I need some small plastic display cases can anyone direct me to a source. Clay __________________________________________________________ Try http://www.amacbox.com/line/linecore.html Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 16:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Aug 7 15:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Micromount material Message-ID: <002f01c23e5f$b5b13520$175204d0@jim> I've updated my price list with the addition of material from the Blue = Bell Mine, San Bernardino Co., CA. The Hemimorphites are very nice, and = the Chlorargyrite, var. Embolite crystals are really the star of the = show. I've also updated the field trip report on the Blue Bell with a list of = all the species I collected there, and also all other species known from = the locality. If anyone can add to the list, I'd appreciate it! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 16:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Aug 7 15:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] display References: <001101c23e32$e3b87a00$722707d8@joe> Message-ID: <001701c23e60$edd161e0$175204d0@jim> Try Althor Products: www.thomasregister.com/olc/althor/ Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: clayandkip To: rockhounds Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] display > Hello everyone; > > I need some small plastic display cases can anyone direct me to a source. > > Clay > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 17:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 7 16:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] display References: <001101c23e32$e3b87a00$722707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D51A7FB.3F@Tomaszewski.net> crscientific.com arizonaminerals.com clayandkip wrote: > > Hello everyone; > > I need some small plastic display cases can anyone direct me to a source. > > Clay > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 18:31:54 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 7 17:31:54 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks References: <3D507FD1.2958@Tomaszewski.net> <003801c23e3e$eff069c0$6c9e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3D51BBA2.6062@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, You give me clear reasons for why your good turn deserves another. Thank you! Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > I really don't know what to say except thank you! > I'm a bit (read: completely) overwhelmed by this ongoing effort and, > naturally, it makes me feel good that such a small act from me made such a > difference for so many. > However, I don't consider a simple act of honesty to be heroic nor do I feel > like a hero ;-) > Being honest comes as a result having good and responsible parents, it is > something you are taught! Not something you "acquire" by being exceptionally > brave or smart (however, smart helps ;-)))))). > Reporting a crime is maybe a little less evidend but still... not heroic in > my book. > > Nevertheless, thank you all for your efforts. > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbeplein 12 > 2640 Mortsel > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:03 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > > > You've probably heard the story of the recent theft of moonrocks from > > NASA and their recovery due to the efforts of Axel Emmermann, a > > rockhound from Belgium. > > > > I have proposed to NASA that Axel be presented with an encased moonrock, > > similar to those presented to other dignitaries in the past, for his > > heroic effort in the recovery of priceless specimens from every Apollo > > mission. > > > > I am asking that you contact Mr. Louis Parker, the Johnson Space Center > > Exhibits Manager (louis.a.parker1@jsc.nasa.gov), and extend your support > > to my proposal (that I understand NASA is still considering). > > > > I have put together a webpage with details of the stolen moonrocks and > > my proposal to NASA at > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Moonrocks.shtml > > should you want further information about either. > > > > Axel has earned a moonrock (that he never expected) for doing the right > > thing in extraordinary circumstances. Giving him one would be a powerful > > positive message, with good exposure for many areas of interest we > > share. We need more heros and good news. Thank you for helping make it > > possible with your support. > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 7 21:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 7 20:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports In-Reply-To: <3D511AE0.8040605@emory.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806131340.02a50ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807172347.02398be0@mail.aloha.net> Thanks, Anita, They update those lava pictures every couple of days. I've printed a couple on photo type paper, and they come out great. As I said, if you do come to Hawaii, let me know! Aloha, Kitty At 09:04 AM 8/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Kitty: > Great storytelling. You should write a book about your adventures and > give those knees a rest! >Thanks for the USGS link. What a great bunch of photos of lava: especially >the video clips of the lava meeting the sea. I want to fly to Hawaii right >now and see it in real time. > >Anita > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 00:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 7 23:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia and lava reports In-Reply-To: <200208071018.g77AICJE016540@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807172758.0239b8d0@mail.aloha.net> Thanks, Steve, If we go back next summer we'll definitely do Tassie, and will gratefully accept any tips you can offer! As for Milton's collection, every piece we bought had many others to choose from and a much nicer one in his private not-for-sale rooms (which we called his Museum Rooms). So although he has over 4000 specimens in his collection, there are many duplicates, and the best 400 or so he's saving. Hopefully those will end up intact somewhere. Aloha, Kitty At 06:16 PM 8/7/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Kitty > >Great report. Sounds like you had a brilliant trip. You managed to get to >the second best place in Australia (Broken Hill). Hopefully next time you >will make it to the best (Tasmania of course) and I'll look out for >collecting spots that are knee-friendly! > >Isn't Milton Lavers a great bloke. The first time that I met him was >about 15 years ago. It's unfortunate that his collection which, as you say >is mostly for sale, won't stay intact as one. > >BTW, when I was working up in Alice Springs, I saw a photo of a road >train (alleged to be THE biggest) and it was 70-something metres long and >comprised 5 trailers! > >Regards > >Steve > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >text/html (html body -- converted) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 02:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Thu Aug 8 01:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] display References: <001101c23e32$e3b87a00$722707d8@joe> Message-ID: <001901c23eb0$fb9f9120$933d27c4@horstspc> Hi, If you are willing to import them from Germany, contact Stereo-Optik Renate Gosch at e-mail stereo-optik-grosch@web.de. I have been ordering from them for years, they give excellent service and I think their prices are cheaper than US prices (from my point of view, as I would have to pay customs duty, postage and VAT on either consignment); thuus it might be cheaper to obtain them in the USA. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayandkip" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] display Hello everyone; I need some small plastic display cases can anyone direct me to a source. Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 10:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo) Date: Thu Aug 8 09:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports Message-ID: > Thanks for the USGS link. What a great bunch of > photos of lava: > especially the video clips of the lava meeting > the sea. I want to fly to > Hawaii right now and see it in real time. In 1990, I was fortunate enough to see the lava encroaching and covering up a highway. It's incredible to be standing 20 yds or less from encroaching lava. Just stood out there in the rain for over an hour, watching it blob here and there for a total of a couple inches in all that time. You think, how can that be exciting? It's just so slow. I look back on it thinking the same thing. But the awe of it. It's just scorched into one's memory forever. You don't get to go to the point where the lava meets the sea though. Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 11:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Aug 8 10:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports References: Message-ID: <3D52AA03.3010003@emory.edu> I can see how that would be exciting. Jeez, I think watching "creep" (or the potential of creep) is exciting...and that's so slow it can take years and years to move a centimeter. I guess we're just easily amused! Anita Chengi Kuo wrote: >>Thanks for the USGS link. What a great bunch of >>photos of lava: >>especially the video clips of the lava meeting >>the sea. I want to fly to >>Hawaii right now and see it in real time. >> > >In 1990, I was fortunate enough to see the lava encroaching and covering up a >highway. It's incredible to be standing 20 yds or less from encroaching lava. > Just stood out there in the rain for over an hour, watching it blob here and >there for a total of a couple inches in all that time. > >You think, how can that be exciting? It's just so slow. I look back on it >thinking the same thing. But the awe of it. It's just scorched into one's >memory forever. > >You don't get to go to the point where the lava meets the sea though. > >Jimmy >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 11:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Aug 8 10:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808073336.00a826e0@mail.aloha.net> >In 1990, I was fortunate enough to see the lava encroaching and covering up a >highway. It's incredible to be standing 20 yds or less from encroaching lava. >You don't get to go to the point where the lava meets the sea though. >Jimmy Hi Jimmy, The lava has covered the highway again (some parts have been re-paved a dozen times since this eruption began nearly two decades ago). But whether you get to see the lava go in the ocean depends on conditions from day to day, even hour to hour. We've been down there when people could walk right up to lava sliding across sand to the sea and poke a stick into it. And four hours later the flow had shifted so that you had to walk three miles to reach the flow, and then it was beyond a steep cliff so was not reachable. Park rangers are constantly moving barriers and signs depending on Madame Pele's current whim. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 14:24:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Colella) Date: Thu Aug 8 13:24:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808073336.00a826e0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Back in July '89 I got to Kilauea the day after it covered a good portion of the road & ranger station. The ranger told us to come back later that evening to see it better. We did, and as we walked on still warm lava, we could see the red glow from hot lava below us thru the large cracks in the surface. Our greatest thrill was to see the ground open, not more that 20 feet from us and watch lava pour out, slowly, thank goodness. The heat rose to well over 110, but was still a memory I'll never forget, managed to get a few good photos. So I know your feeling. Mike -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:48 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] lava reports >In 1990, I was fortunate enough to see the lava encroaching and covering up a >highway. It's incredible to be standing 20 yds or less from encroaching lava. >You don't get to go to the point where the lava meets the sea though. >Jimmy Hi Jimmy, The lava has covered the highway again (some parts have been re-paved a dozen times since this eruption began nearly two decades ago). But whether you get to see the lava go in the ocean depends on conditions from day to day, even hour to hour. We've been down there when people could walk right up to lava sliding across sand to the sea and poke a stick into it. And four hours later the flow had shifted so that you had to walk three miles to reach the flow, and then it was beyond a steep cliff so was not reachable. Park rangers are constantly moving barriers and signs depending on Madame Pele's current whim. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 14:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jane Davis) Date: Thu Aug 8 13:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808073336.00a826e0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <006401c23f1b$bdeba880$838e4d0c@jade> Aloha Kitty, Your report on Australia was great.. makes me even more anxious to get there! I lived on Oahu for several years 1969-73 and will never forget the real estate ads in Waikiki that said "invest in the future, buy land on the Big Island at Kalapana Sea View Estates". When I visited the Big Island to see the volcano, I noticed the little metal flags saying Kalapana Sea View Estate #4, 17, etc. and they were all neatly staked out in the lava flow on the south side of Kiluea. As I understand it there was already an older small settlement somewhere under that lava and wonder at the current real estate prospects. Jane (also not buying swamp land in Florida) :^) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 15:50:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Mineral Vug) Date: Thu Aug 8 14:50:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update Message-ID: Hello All: The Mineral Vug wishes to announce the continuance of our site sale as well as a site update: 25 % off sale on specimens found on our Asia pages. This sale does not include specimens discounted on the Bargain Basement. The new update includes the following minerals which can be viewed on pages linked to www.themineralvug.com/new.htm . Beryl from Maine 8/8/02 Quartz with Chlorite and Amethyst from North Carolina 8/8/02 Calcite from Virginia and North Carolina 8/8/02 Fluorite from New Hampshire 8/8/02 Fluorite from Ohio 8/8/02 Pyrophyllite from North Carolina 8/8/02 Stilbite from North Carolina 8/8/02 Regards, Brett Shaffer The Mineral Vug From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 16:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Aug 8 15:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update References: Message-ID: <3D52E953.1070101@emory.edu> Hey! Are you guys going to be at the Dalton show this weekend? Anita The Mineral Vug wrote: >Hello All: > >The Mineral Vug wishes to announce the continuance of our site sale as well >as a site update: > > >25 % off sale on specimens found on our Asia pages. >This sale does not include specimens discounted on the Bargain Basement. > > >The new update includes the following minerals which can be viewed on pages >linked to www.themineralvug.com/new.htm . > >Beryl from Maine 8/8/02 >Quartz with Chlorite and Amethyst from North Carolina 8/8/02 >Calcite from Virginia and North Carolina 8/8/02 >Fluorite from New Hampshire 8/8/02 >Fluorite from Ohio 8/8/02 >Pyrophyllite from North Carolina 8/8/02 >Stilbite from North Carolina 8/8/02 > > >Regards, > > >Brett Shaffer >The Mineral Vug > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 8 17:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Mineral Vug) Date: Thu Aug 8 16:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update In-Reply-To: <3D52E953.1070101@emory.edu> Message-ID: Hi Anita: Far as I know, our next show will be Norcross in December. My wife had a baby this summer, so Robert and I haven't done any shows. Regards, Brett Shaffer www.themineralvug.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Anita Westlake Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:58 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update Hey! Are you guys going to be at the Dalton show this weekend? Anita > > >Regards, > > >Brett Shaffer >The Mineral Vug > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 9 01:35:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Fri Aug 9 00:35:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks References: <3D507FD1.2958@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <006901c23f77$3dab9bb0$509388d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Kreigh, Only read your msg to-day. Thanks for your effort and the kind words. Regards, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > You've probably heard the story of the recent theft of moonrocks from > NASA and their recovery due to the efforts of Axel Emmermann, a > rockhound from Belgium. > > I have proposed to NASA that Axel be presented with an encased moonrock, > similar to those presented to other dignitaries in the past, for his > heroic effort in the recovery of priceless specimens from every Apollo > mission. > > I am asking that you contact Mr. Louis Parker, the Johnson Space Center > Exhibits Manager (louis.a.parker1@jsc.nasa.gov), and extend your support > to my proposal (that I understand NASA is still considering). > > I have put together a webpage with details of the stolen moonrocks and > my proposal to NASA at > http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Moonrocks.shtml > should you want further information about either. > > Axel has earned a moonrock (that he never expected) for doing the right > thing in extraordinary circumstances. Giving him one would be a powerful > positive message, with good exposure for many areas of interest we > share. We need more heros and good news. Thank you for helping make it > possible with your support. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 9 07:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Aug 9 06:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports References: Message-ID: <000701c23faa$ad88a940$261fbed8@powertech.net> > > Thanks for the USGS link. What a great bunch of > > photos of lava: > > especially the video clips of the lava meeting > > the sea. I want to fly to > > Hawaii right now and see it in real time. > > In 1990, I was fortunate enough to see the lava encroaching and covering up a > highway. It's incredible to be standing 20 yds or less from encroaching lava. > Just stood out there in the rain for over an hour, watching it blob here and > there for a total of a couple inches in all that time. > > You think, how can that be exciting? It's just so slow. I look back on it > thinking the same thing. But the awe of it. It's just scorched into one's > memory forever. > > You don't get to go to the point where the lava meets the sea though. > > Jimmy I was there on a geology/astronomy field trip (it was when they had the solar eclipse), Amazing! We got to go over and see the lava dripping into the sea. We had to walk a fair distance over a field of lava that was solidified on the surface but not completely so underneath, heading toward the big cloud of steam where the lava was dripping into the ocean. We even saw logs that had been caught up in it; and a Heiau (Hawaiian temple) that the flow had split and gone around, leaving it untouched , although, of course, burned by the intense heat; nothing but a rusty steel skeleton remaining. (It was surrounded by a rock wall). It was quite hot (and humid) there; and someone was doing a really booming business selling bottles of water at the trailhead. The solidified lava was amazing, too. You could see all sorts of colors on it, from the gold "Angel hair" to electric blues; very very thin (one wavelength thick) metallic layers deposited on the surface. Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 9 12:22:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 9 11:22:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports In-Reply-To: <000701c23faa$ad88a940$261fbed8@powertech.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809073054.009ea640@mail.aloha.net> >I was there on a geology/astronomy field trip (it was when they had the >solar eclipse), Amazing! We got to go over and see the lava dripping into >the sea. Margaret Hi Margaret, That would have been 1991. Bill (my personal resident astronomer) taught a special summer class for that eclipse, and led the students on a camp-out in the middle of an old lava field to view it. The weather did not cooperate for many locations on the Big Island, but fortunately where we were, a small hole appeared in the clouds just seconds before the eclipse started, stayed open for the four minutes that it lasted, and then closed! And yes, the people who came from all over the the country to see the eclipse also got a bonus of seeing lava take out a heiau and visitor's center, and pour into the sea. Those thin fibers are called "Pele's hair" after the Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele. BTW, it's worthwhile to look at the Image Archive section of that USGS site: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/archive/main.html Click on previous date lines, like January 2002, for more fascinating pictures of things they call hornitos. There's one on January 25 of what they call a knuckle handshake that reminds one of Michelangelo's "Creation of Man." Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 10 21:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Sat Aug 10 20:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wash. DC Visit Swap? Message-ID: <20020811034526.14578.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I will be going to the Wash. DC, USA area (Alexandria, VA)the 13th to 15th and would like to get together with some other collectors for a swap. I hope to be available the eve of the 13th, 14th. Please e-mail me off line if you would like more details. Cheers, Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 10 22:09:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Aug 10 21:09:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava reports References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809073054.009ea640@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002301c240ea$d83a0080$3f1fbed8@powertech.net> > > >I was there on a geology/astronomy field trip (it was when they had the > >solar eclipse), Amazing! We got to go over and see the lava dripping into > >the sea. > Margaret > > > Hi Margaret, > > That would have been 1991. Bill (my personal resident astronomer) taught a > special summer class for that eclipse, and led the students on a camp-out > in the middle of an old lava field to view it. The weather did not > cooperate for many locations on the Big Island, but fortunately where we > were, a small hole appeared in the clouds just seconds before the eclipse > started, stayed open for the four minutes that it lasted, and then closed! We were really lucky, too; we were on a ship, and were able to get far enough out to see to get away from the cloud cover just in time. It was quite awesome! When I experienced it, I could really understand why the ancient people were so fearful; that they thought the world was coming to an end. > > And yes, the people who came from all over the the country to see the > eclipse also got a bonus of seeing lava take out a heiau and visitor's > center, and pour into the sea. Those thin fibers are called "Pele's hair" > after the Hawaiian volcano goddess, Pele. You're right, my goof. Pele's hair. Sorry! and yes, I remember now, I think it was the Visitor Center (rather than the Heiau) that was left with a few metal beams still standing. > > BTW, it's worthwhile to look at the Image Archive section of that USGS site: > > http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/archive/main.html > > Click on previous date lines, like January 2002, for more fascinating > pictures of things they call hornitos. There's one on January 25 of what > they call a knuckle handshake that reminds one of Michelangelo's "Creation > of Man." Oh, OK! I'll have a look! Those pictures really are awesome. I sent the address to all my friends so they could see too. I had not realized that it had become more active, again. Cheers! Margaret > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 10 22:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Aug 10 21:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] Invite to the Lapidary List References: Message-ID: <3D55E858.3CA7@Tomaszewski.net> Hale, where-ever you are, we all still miss you! Thanks again for the legacy of knowledge you shared (and for keeping it available for so long). And thanks to you, Bob, for stepping into Hale's shoes (I hope you have big feet ;-). I look forward to a continued sharing of lapidary knowledge. Kreigh quartzcollector wrote: > > Greetings fellow rock collectors, > > I thought you some of you who are also closet case cabbers would be > interested to learn I'm currently incubating a general discussion > group for lapidaries dedicated to hobnobbing on how to work various > lapidary materials and techniques and methods for tumbling, cabbing, > carving, inlay, intarsia and other forms of the lapidary arts. > > The Web/BBS information page for the Lapidary List is: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LapidaryList > > You can subscribe by email by sending one to: > LapidaryList-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > There was once an excellent online discussion group, The Lapidary > Digest, serving as an information resource and connectivity nexus for > lapidary hobbyists. Unfortunately Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest has > been defunct for well over a year now and I miss it. I hope that my > fellow rockhounds enjoy participating on and make productive use of > the Lapidary List to hobnob with other lapidary hobbyists and share > and further their own knowledge of lapidary materials, techniques and > lapidary arts how-to in general. > > If you have a general interest in the lapidary arts your > participation and help in establishing and making the Lapidary List a > quality topical Internet resource for your fellow rockhounds and > lapidary hobbyists is appreciated. > > Bob Keller - Tucson, AZ > www.rockhounds.com > www.tucsonshow.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > rocksandfossils-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 11 14:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Sun Aug 11 13:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: New Mexico Rockhunding book References: Message-ID: <3D56D1E7.BCC3A961@mindspring.com> I have an extra copy of Steve Voynicks New Mexico Rockhounding, brand new for $17.50 postage included. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 11 18:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sun Aug 11 17:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello References: <96.2969d5c8.2a6629a3@aol.com> <000401c2372b$5c0be500$8005efd1@oemcomputer> <000801c237be$dcaf8700$033d27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <3D570A12.4E11@rcn.com> Hello from GeorgiaO Just a short email to ask how you and Erika are doing. I can put a short note in the Mineral Mite if you wish. Not doing much here. Frederick had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. He had a very sore knee - probably a torn cartlidge. He was going to be scheduled for surgery when his work was at a point when he could have some time off. He had a 'cyst' on the torn cartledge and that was really painful when it evidently popped. I had to call the ambulance to take him to the ER because it was so painful and he could not move/walk/use crutches etc. to move from the spot. He is doing great - from 'little old lady walker' to crutches and now to a cane that he hardly uses. He tried to drive to the store yesterday for a short trip to see how he would do. He has started physical therapy and is doing great. ___ I was not happy because he was getting all the attention..... just kidding... I had a 'boulder' - end its drop/rolled onto the side of my foot. So that was sore - I started walking incorrectly and caused pain in my back and hip. The Dr. had me doing physical therapy for the ankle/foot and I am greatly improved. See you'all GeorgiaO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 12 13:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Aug 12 12:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Hi All, Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks to = folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite = segments is that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get = more complex and exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent = extraLapis English No. 2 issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible = photo of emerald fossil snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a = rumored replacement I'd heard of years before. In discussing this with a = friend and after mentioning that I'd be interested in knowing of other = exotic type replacements, he mentioned to me the fossil native silver = snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my copy of Minerals of Colorado = references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil snails replaced by = native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the reference, Baillie, = W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of Mines Mineral = Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance any of you may = have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most interested in = getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A further reference = for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals article and = mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen #138) as = being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had = been replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these = fossils actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, = opal and pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm = curious, what other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks = aware of? Thank you for taking the time, have a great day everyone, John PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can be = found at... http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 12 21:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Aug 12 20:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <000401c2427a$cff6da60$5c04efd1@oemcomputer> I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Gloria Cornish" To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > Hi All, > > Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks to folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite segments is that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more complex and exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis English No. 2 issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald fossil snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd heard of years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning that I'd be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he mentioned to me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my copy of Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance any of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A further reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals article and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen #138) as being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had been replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these fossils actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal and pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, what other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? Thank you for taking the time, have a great day everyone, > > John > > PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can be found at... > > http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm > > > > > has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 12 22:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 12 21:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <12d.15a16216.2a89e944@aol.com> I've never found anything except plain old pet wood but 2 or 3 years ago in Quartzsite I saw an entire branch replaced by precious opal. It was found in Virgin Valley, dug up by a tractor. The tractor broke it into 3 pieces and there was fire all the way through. I've seen other, smaller branches, opalized clams and ammonites, and an opalized claw from a lobster but nothing else comes close to the beauty those three pieces exhibit. They were only $85,000 for all three. Unfortunately, I had maxed out my credit card at a California gas station so............! Grant From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 05:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Tue Aug 13 04:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire world, and short of that, for North America. Does anyone know if there is such a thing? Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's say the last three or four years? Cheers & thanks Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 05:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue Aug 13 04:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update References: Message-ID: <3D58F1EF.4090205@emory.edu> Congrats on the new baby. Yes, we hope you'll be in the Norcross show. Contracts are supposed to go out today. Let me know if you don't get one soon. Anita The Mineral Vug wrote: >Hi Anita: > >Far as I know, our next show will be Norcross in December. My wife had a >baby this summer, so Robert and I haven't done any shows. > >Regards, > >Brett Shaffer >www.themineralvug.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Anita Westlake >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:58 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update > > >Hey! Are you guys going to be at the Dalton show this weekend? >Anita > > >> >>Regards, >> >> >>Brett Shaffer >>The Mineral Vug >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 06:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 13 05:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <47.216e4c4e.2a8a5172@aol.com> Dear John, I once saw a nearly complete trilobite fossil in the chert matrix of a galena crystal - sphalerite crystal specimen. Trilobite was about 2-3 cm, galena and sphalerite about the same. Tri-state locality. If It had a proper label, I might have "gone" for it, but that was over 30 years ago, when I was a student. Best Regards, Van. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 06:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 13 05:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <52A02724.3BC8DF75.02180873@aol.com> I actually collect unusual and usual fossil replacements. Some are unusual based on the mineral, and others are just unusual forms of common minerals. I have *Mazon Creek Shrimps replaced in sphalerite *Vivianite clams from Russia and vivianite belemnites from New Jersey *Precious opal fossils from Australia and wood from Nevada and other locales *Blue Chalcedony crinoid columnals *Rhodocrocite snail from the Ukraine *Pyrite fossls from many localities *Wood replaced with Copper Sulfide And a few others that don't come to mind right now. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 08:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Tue Aug 13 07:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Roadside Geology books References: <52A02724.3BC8DF75.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D591577.A0EAA1BB@mindspring.com> I have some extra copies of the excellent Roadside Geology series books for the following states and areas: Oregon, New Mexico, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, and Yellowstone NP. Price depends on the book, most $10 including postage, and a bargain compared to the bookstores. Msg for further info. LD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 08:16:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Tue Aug 13 07:16:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fossil Plants book References: <52A02724.3BC8DF75.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D5916F5.8AFEBA78@mindspring.com> I have a copy of Tidwells 1st ed Common Fossil Plants of Western North America, a fine book on collecting fossil plants, for $10.00 postpaid. LD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 08:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Tue Aug 13 07:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures References: Message-ID: <3D5916D5.C2C1051A@epix.net> Hi Hans, Many years ago I was stationed at Fort Churchill a then joint Canadian/USA military base. On the flight up one could not help but notice the many ribbon candy creeks and rivers and many lakes. Of the lakes, many appeared to be perfect circles. Has any research been done on them or that matter Hudson Bay? Just food for thought. Take care, Bob http://uvbob.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.Durstling" wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently > known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire > world, and short of that, for North America. > > Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > > Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's > say the last three or four years? > > Cheers & thanks > Hans Durstling > Moncton, > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 09:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Tue Aug 13 08:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures References: <3D5916D5.C2C1051A@epix.net> Message-ID: <3D5921C1.DF66EE55@mindspring.com> The perfect circle lakes could be the result of Karst topography - the tops of cave systems collapsing. Florida around Orlando has lots of them. LD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 09:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 13 08:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> <000401c2427a$cff6da60$5c04efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D5922C4.45799EC6@earthlink.net> vivianite is a rather exotic material for replacement. However, about 30 years ago in the Bay Area, east Bay area, actually between Walnut Creek and Concord they were digging a ditch which yeilded some great xls of vivianite in bivalves. Walt Tim Jokela wrote: > I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. > Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr > tjokela@execulink.com > http://www.element51.com > http://www.ontariominerals.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John & Gloria Cornish" > To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" > Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; > Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > Hi All, > > > > Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks to > folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite segments is > that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more complex and > exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis English No. 2 > issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald fossil > snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd heard of > years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning that I'd > be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he mentioned to > me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my copy of > Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil > snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the > reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of > Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance any > of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most > interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A further > reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals article > and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen #138) as > being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had been > replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these fossils > actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal and > pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, what > other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? Thank you > for taking the time, have a great day everyone, > > > > John > > > > PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can be > found at... > > > > http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm > > > > > > > > > > has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 09:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 13 08:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <12d.15a16216.2a89e944@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D59232D.5BDF46E9@earthlink.net> Did you see the opalized Mosesaur ? Sorry about the spelling. It was impressive also. I saw it at the Pasadena show last year. I was yea, Verily, impressed. Walt Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > I've never found anything except plain old pet wood but 2 or 3 years ago in > Quartzsite I saw an entire branch replaced by precious opal. It was found in > Virgin Valley, dug up by a tractor. The tractor broke it into 3 pieces and > there was fire all the way through. > > I've seen other, smaller branches, opalized clams and ammonites, and an > opalized claw from a lobster but nothing else comes close to the beauty those > three pieces exhibit. They were only $85,000 for all three. Unfortunately, I > had maxed out my credit card at a California gas station so............! > > Grant > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 11:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Tue Aug 13 10:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures In-Reply-To: <3D5916D5.C2C1051A@epix.net> References: Message-ID: Hi, I've been involved in identifying and mapping 2 impact craters in western Wisconsin, and am a bit surprised I couldn't lay my hands on a good map showing their distribution. I know there are more than 200 of them identified now with several more being added to the list each year. A good listing is given at http://www.netppl.fi/~jarmom/geo/imp/impacts.htm Bob's observation on circular features on the Canadian Shield is a good way to start a search -look for circular anomalies. Many impact structures have been found in this way. The Candian Geological Survey was proactive in doing this over the Canadain Shield. This is true of other areas as well. Once a suspicious circle is identified, though, a field geology party needs to go in and study it on the ground. Circular anomalies can have all sorts of origins - sinkholes in limestone, volcanic features, etc. In order to verify that such a feature is an impact crater, one must find features idicative of unusually sudden impositions of high temperature and pressures - features we call shock metamorphism. These condions produce unique features (shattercones, plnar deformation features in quartz, diaplectic glass, impact melts, fall-back breccias) and high grade mineral phases (quartz goes to coesite or stishovite) that cannot be produced by normal crustal metamorphism or igneous activity. Despite its shape, I do not believe Hudson's Bay itself is a verified impact structure. The real test is to find an association of the shape with shock metamorphic features. >Hi Hans, > >Many years ago I was stationed at Fort Churchill a then joint >Canadian/USA >military base. On the flight up one could not help but notice the many >ribbon candy creeks and rivers and many lakes. Of the lakes, many >appeared >to be perfect circles. Has any research been done on them or that >matter >Hudson Bay? Just food for thought. > >Take care, >Bob > >http://uvbob.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >H.Durstling" wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently >> known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire >> world, and short of that, for North America. >> >> Does anyone know if there is such a thing? >> >> Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's >> say the last three or four years? >> >> Cheers & thanks >> Hans Durstling >> Moncton, >> Canada >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 11:14:09 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Tue Aug 13 10:14:09 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures In-Reply-To: <3D5916D5.C2C1051A@epix.net> References: Message-ID: Hi again. I found a map in this tutorial on impact structures: http://cass.jsc.nasa.gov/publications/slidesets/craters.html Enjoy. - Best wishes - Bill Cordua Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 11:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Aug 13 10:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures References: Message-ID: <006e01c242ef$9eb6eb00$581cbed8@powertech.net> Hi, Hans. If you go to Google and search on astrobleme, there are quite a few "hits" there. I haven't looked at any of them to see if they have what you want, though. Margaret > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently > known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire > world, and short of that, for North America. > > Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > > Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's > say the last three or four years? > > Cheers & thanks > Hans Durstling > Moncton, > Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 12:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Tue Aug 13 11:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: catalog of Asteroid Impact Structures References: <006e01c242ef$9eb6eb00$581cbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <002601c242f8$d79b5880$0c06efd1@oemcomputer> You need the Geological Survey of Canada's Earth Impact Database: http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/ For info on meteorites and fireballs check the superb Meteorite and Impacts Advisory Committee website: http://wwwdsa.uqac.uquebec.ca/~mhiggins/MIAC/MIAC.html BTW; Hudson's Bay is not an impact structure. Perfectly circular lakes in Northern Canada are more likely pothole lakes left by the glaciers, or perhaps, as in the NWT, the tops of kimberlite pipes. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently > > known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire > > world, and short of that, for North America. > > > > Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > > > > Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in > let's > > say the last three or four years? > > > > Cheers & thanks > > Hans Durstling > > Moncton, > > Canada > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 15:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Aug 13 14:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Two that I recall from news reports are the one off Great Britain and I recall a report about one in either Nebraska or Kansas. The later was odd since they couldn't agree if it was an impact crater or not but the presence of shocked rock should make it apparent. Bryan Hi Everyone, I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire world, and short of that, for North America. Does anyone know if there is such a thing? Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's say the last three or four years? Cheers & thanks Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 18:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Tue Aug 13 17:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! In-Reply-To: <000401c2427a$cff6da60$5c04efd1@oemcomputer> References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: My best oddball replacement was a brachiopod that I found at Mont Saint-Hilaire, replaced by pectolite, arfvedsonite, and probably 45 new and unknown species (well, at least I have confidence in the first two id's...). This was important because it obviously came from a marble xenolith, and thereby established that at least some of them were derived from Paleozoic host rocks, not preCambrian ones. Incomplete recycling is neat, sometimes! Pete >I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. >Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. > >Cheers, > >Tim Jokela Jr >tjokela@execulink.com >http://www.element51.com >http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John & Gloria Cornish" >To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" >Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; >Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > >> Hi All, >> >> Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks to >folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite segments is >that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more complex and >exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis English No. 2 >issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald fossil >snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd heard of >years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning that I'd >be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he mentioned to >me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my copy of >Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil >snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the >reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of >Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance any >of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most >interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A further >reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals article >and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen #138) as >being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had been >replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these fossils >actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal and >pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, what >other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? Thank you >for taking the time, have a great day everyone, >> >> John >> >> PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can be >found at... >> >> http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm >> >> >> >> >> has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 13 20:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (bob stevens) Date: Tue Aug 13 19:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <00c401c2432d$ffce61a0$b2e479a5@slc.edu> The phosphate locality at Jacksonville, Alabama has strengite and cacoxenite occuring in various fossil casts of the Fort Payne chert. Years ago vivianite xls to 2 inches long where found in fossil casts in Stewart Co., Georgia. I went to to the mineral show in Zurick, Switzerland in 1972. While there I purchased a limonite psuedo after a doublely terminated quartz xl. I still can't figure that one out. Interesting thread, keep it going. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Richards To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > My best oddball replacement was a brachiopod that I found at Mont Saint-Hilaire, replaced by pectolite, arfvedsonite, and probably 45 new and unknown species (well, at least I have confidence in the first two id's...). This was important because it obviously came from a marble xenolith, and thereby established that at least some of them were derived from Paleozoic host rocks, not preCambrian ones. > > Incomplete recycling is neat, sometimes! > > Pete > > > >I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. > >Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Tim Jokela Jr > >tjokela@execulink.com > >http://www.element51.com > >http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John & Gloria Cornish" > >To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" > >Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; > >Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks to > >folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite segments is > >that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more complex and > >exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis English No. 2 > >issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald fossil > >snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd heard of > >years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning that I'd > >be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he mentioned to > >me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my copy of > >Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil > >snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the > >reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of > >Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance any > >of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most > >interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A further > >reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals article > >and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen #138) as > >being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had been > >replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these fossils > >actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal and > >pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, what > >other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? Thank you > >for taking the time, have a great day everyone, > >> > >> John > >> > >> PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can be > >found at... > >> > >> http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article > >> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 07:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Wed Aug 14 06:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! In-Reply-To: <00c401c2432d$ffce61a0$b2e479a5@slc.edu> References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: To the extent that this thread addresses or ponders processes of replacement, rather than just the outcome (e.g. the question "I wonder how it got that way"), it is useful to distinguish between three kinds of fossil preservation. Some fossils are found with the shell (or bone or wood) material preserved, or recrystallized so that the texture changes but not the chemistry. Other fossils are preserved as molds - i.e. the rock that fills and surrounds the original shell, the shell itself having dissolved away and been replaced by a void. For a fossil that contains internal space (e.g. clam or snail shell), preservation may or may not involve filling the internal space with sediment; hence there may or may not be an internal mold. Still other fossils are preserved as casts - i.e. as mineral infillings of a mold. There is some relationship between the kind of organism and the kind of preservation, though it is not hard and fast. For example, most brachiopods build their shells out of calcite fibers whereas most clams and snails precipitate aragonite. Because aragonite is more soluble than calcite, clams and snails are often preserved as molds and/or casts when brachiopods in the same beds are preserved with the shell material and structure largely unaltered. With respect to exotic replacements, I would suggest that fossil molds are not really much different than any other void in a rock - they are preferred places for the deposition of new minerals. In many sedimentary rocks, fossil molds may be the only voids present. Thus, while it takes special geologic environments to set the stage for such exotic "replacement", it is not particularly surprising to find casts of fossils composed of exotic materials. The exotic materials have not replaced anything - they have just grown in a convenient empty space that happens to be shaped like an organism. My impression is that the emerald fossil replacements are casts, and I would expect that many of the other replacements are casts as well. Producing a fossil mold composed of exotic material would (usually) imply replacing the sedimentary rock that forms the mold; this seems a good bit less likely. It does happen, however: the pectolite and arfvedsonite pseudomorph after brachiopod I found at Mont Saint-Hilaire was apparently an internal mold, replacing the original limestone. Producing a fossil in which the exotic material actually replaces the original skeletal material requires a chemical reaction with that skeletal material, and therefore a more special set of conditions than is needed to produce a cast. While this happens commonly with the special case of petrified wood, it is likely to be rather uncommon in general, especially when exotic minerals are involved. Depending on whether or not details of the skeletal structure are preserved, it may not be possible to distinguish such a replacement from a cast formed by simple infilling of the space left after the shell dissolved away. Silicified or pyritized fossils include examples of this replacement. As I understand it, brachiopods with shells replaced by vesuvianite are found in the hornfels at Mont Saint-Hilaire. Many years ago, I played a dirty trick on a geologic colleague. I soaked some brachiopods for a month in a concentrated solution of copper sulfate. The copper sulfate reacted with some of the calcite of the brachiopod shell, leaving good surface detail but a decidedly green fossil due to the formation of malachite (I presume). I innocently showed them to my colleague, who was very excited until I admitted where they came from. But this same process could very well operate in just the right environment in the oxidizing zone of a ore deposit hosted in a fossiliferous sedimentary rock in the Southwest.... Pete Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 09:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Wed Aug 14 08:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slab saw water resistant grease/lubricant and water pump. Message-ID: I recently acquired a large slab saw to reduce matrix rock. The typical rocks are basalt and limestone or dolomite. The saw was used for cutting much harder rock like agate, obsidian, jasper, ... and was filled with a cutting oil to lubricate the blade. My rocks are usually porous and would absorb the oil. Furthermore, the oil is usually fluorescent and leaves ugly fluorescent stains on my mineral samples (even after washing in the dishwasher!). So I drained the oil from the saw basin and replaced it with soft well water. The saw runs fine but now the automatic table and spindle started to corrode/rust causing problems with adjustments. What is your experience with water resistant grease (Calcium or Lithium based) and corrosion inhibitor for working in the splash wet environment with porous matrix or soft minerals like calcite and zeolites? There should be no fluorescent film on the minerals after cutting. Another request: I would like to install a submersible pump with water nozzle to direct more water to the contact zone of the saw with the rock. Do you have brand and model names for the ones in your saw? Does anyone have another discussion group to post this message (lapidary, machinery)? Johan Maertens mineral.maertens@att.net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 10:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Wed Aug 14 09:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Eastern Federation only (US) Message-ID: <200208141559.g7EFx6M12602@mail.his.com> I am looking for nominations for the AFMS Club Rockhound of the Year. Every club in the Eastern Federation deserves to have someone from the club recognized by both the Eastern and the American Federations each and every year. Anyone in the club can nominate anyone else. All I need is the name of the nominee, the name of the nominator, the club name and a brief (50 word) blurb about why the nominee is worthy of being honored. So simple, so fast, so rewarding. e-mail me today! Cathy Gaber bg@his.com For those of you who are interested in nominating someone but are not in the Eastern Federation, you can find out who your representative is at amfed.org. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 10:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Wed Aug 14 09:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? References: <9vj14c+agtv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3D5A833F.64ED861D@gmx.de> Hello, is there anybody who is familiar with the locality Point of Rock Mesa, near Springer, Colfax Co., New Mexico? I know the articles in Mineralogical Record (1984, 1989). Which minerals are really available from that place? I would like to hear from you. Cheers, Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 12:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Wed Aug 14 11:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures References: Message-ID: <3D5AB281.EF9A4BBE@ix.netcom.com> Hans, I just happen to be reading Powell's NIGHT COMES TO THE CRETACEOUS, an excellent review of the K-T Boundary controversy. He mentions a site which may be what you're lookingfor: http://gdcinfo.agg.emr.ca/crater/world_craters.html. A fine account of the thinking leading to the acceptance of the existence of terrestrial impact structures is Kathleen Mark, METEORITE CRATERS U. Arizona, 1995 (1987). John "H.Durstling" wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently > known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire > world, and short of that, for North America. > > Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > > Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's > say the last three or four years? > > Cheers & thanks > Hans Durstling > Moncton, > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 12:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 14 11:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? In-Reply-To: <3D5A833F.64ED861D@gmx.de> References: <9vj14c+agtv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Jürgen, Friends of mine (who aren't available right now to ask details) used to make a run down there in the winter; they reported collecting as being very good. Apparently they were able to find "all" of the minerals. Regards, Lanny >Hello, > >is there anybody who is familiar with the locality Point of Rock Mesa, >near >Springer, Colfax Co., New Mexico? I know the articles in Mineralogical >Record (1984, 1989). Which minerals are really available from that >place? I would like to hear from you. > >Cheers, > >Jürgen Wachsmuth >Ulm - Germany > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 12:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Wed Aug 14 11:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal Message-ID: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> hello; I just found a rock that according to my book is opal but I'm not sure, = I have some pics of it does anyone want to help id it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 12:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Aug 14 11:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures References: Message-ID: <3D5AA74F.9020108@emory.edu> Hans: Do you know about the Wetumpka Impact Crater in Alabama, below Montgomery? It wasn't officially considered a meteor impact crater until 1999. It is a little over 4 miles wide and had the same impact as a 1,000 megaton bomb. It probably would have registered a "9" on the Richter Scale, had the scale existed back in the Cretaceous Period! Anita H.Durstling wrote: > >Hi Everyone, > >I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently >known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire >world, and short of that, for North America. > >Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > >Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's >say the last three or four years? > >Cheers & thanks >Hans Durstling >Moncton, >Canada > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 13:22:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Wed Aug 14 12:22:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> <00c401c2432d$ffce61a0$b2e479a5@slc.edu> Message-ID: <001401c243c6$e075d740$f82cfb3e@oemcomputer> Some 6 years ago I saw a coral replaced by andradite (garnet), from the Drammen-area, Norway. I also heard about a ammonite replaced the same way, but have my doubts about that one. Best regards, André ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "bob stevens" Aan: Verzonden: woensdag 14 augustus 2002 2:30 Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > The phosphate locality at Jacksonville, Alabama has strengite and > cacoxenite occuring in various fossil casts of the Fort Payne chert. Years > ago vivianite xls to 2 inches long where found in fossil casts in Stewart > Co., Georgia. > I went to to the mineral show in Zurick, Switzerland in 1972. While > there I purchased a limonite psuedo after a doublely terminated quartz xl. > I still can't figure that one out. > Interesting thread, keep it going. Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pete Richards > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > My best oddball replacement was a brachiopod that I found at Mont > Saint-Hilaire, replaced by pectolite, arfvedsonite, and probably 45 new and > unknown species (well, at least I have confidence in the first two id's...). > This was important because it obviously came from a marble xenolith, and > thereby established that at least some of them were derived from Paleozoic > host rocks, not preCambrian ones. > > > > Incomplete recycling is neat, sometimes! > > > > Pete > > > > > > >I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. > > >Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Tim Jokela Jr > > >tjokela@execulink.com > > >http://www.element51.com > > >http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "John & Gloria Cornish" > > >To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" > > >Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from Colorado; > > >Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks > to > > >folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite segments > is > > >that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more complex > and > > >exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis English > No. 2 > > >issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald fossil > > >snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd heard > of > > >years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning that > I'd > > >be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he mentioned > to > > >me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my copy > of > > >Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil > > >snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the > > >reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of > > >Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance > any > > >of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most > > >interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A > further > > >reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals > article > > >and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen #138) > as > > >being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had been > > >replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these fossils > > >actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal and > > >pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, what > > >other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? Thank > you > > >for taking the time, have a great day everyone, > > >> > > >> John > > >> > > >> PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can be > > >found at... > > >> > > >> http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article > > >> > > >> > > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > >> multipart/alternative > > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > > >> text/html > > >> --- > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >> Subscription Services: > > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > > Mineral collector > > Crystallographer > > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 13:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 14 12:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slab saw water resistant grease/lubricant and water pump. Message-ID: <94.2ae01c6a.2a8c0b70@aol.com> In a message dated 8/14/02 8:51:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mineral.maertens@att.net writes: > Does anyone have another discussion group to post this message > (lapidary, machinery)? > TRY LapidaryList@yahoogroups.com also you might check out LubeCool for your saw. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 13:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 14 12:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <83.1f226b6a.2a8c0f69@aol.com> In a message dated 8/14/02 6:08:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu writes: > To the extent that this thread addresses or ponders processes of > replacement, rather than just the outcome (e.g. the question "I wonder how > it got that way"), it is useful to distinguish between three kinds of > fossil preservation. Some fossils are found with the shell (or bone or > wood) material preserved, or recrystallized so that the texture changes but > not the chemistry. Thank you Peter, I think I learn more from a good email description, like you just wrote, than from a textbook. That is good journalism when a person condenses a complex subject into limited space. Academia often encourages an excessive use of words. (And a lot of them are ambiguous, like 'appears to be' and 'if appropriate conditions exist' which give the writer wiggle room but distracts from the thesis.) Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 14:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 14 13:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] oddball asst. sold Message-ID: <4d.22727378.2a8c1261@aol.com> Hi List, The oddball minerals have been sold, thanks for the many replies. If I had known, they would generate that many replies, I would have upped the price; just teasing. Thanks again, Dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 14:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Wed Aug 14 13:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal References: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> Message-ID: If you want to send me a picture, I will put it online so you can post the address for everyone to see. Sherry hello; I just found a rock that according to my book is opal but I'm not sure, I have some pics of it does anyone want to help id it? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 16:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Aug 14 15:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> <00c401c2432d$ffce61a0$b2e479a5@slc.edu> <001401c243c6$e075d740$f82cfb3e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001a01c243de$0fb33a40$185204d0@jim> In an article on the Camp Verde Salt Mine in Arizona in Mineralogical Record (Vol 14, p. 86, 1983, #2) there is mention of a pre-Columbian human body fossilized in Halite. That's got to be the most exotic! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: a.m.robbemond To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > Some 6 years ago I saw a coral replaced by andradite (garnet), from the > Drammen-area, Norway. I also heard about a ammonite replaced the same way, > but have my doubts about that one. > > Best regards, > > André > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: "bob stevens" > Aan: > Verzonden: woensdag 14 augustus 2002 2:30 > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > The phosphate locality at Jacksonville, Alabama has strengite and > > cacoxenite occuring in various fossil casts of the Fort Payne chert. > Years > > ago vivianite xls to 2 inches long where found in fossil casts in Stewart > > Co., Georgia. > > I went to to the mineral show in Zurick, Switzerland in 1972. While > > there I purchased a limonite psuedo after a doublely terminated quartz xl. > > I still can't figure that one out. > > Interesting thread, keep it going. Bob > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pete Richards > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > > My best oddball replacement was a brachiopod that I found at Mont > > Saint-Hilaire, replaced by pectolite, arfvedsonite, and probably 45 new > and > > unknown species (well, at least I have confidence in the first two > id's...). > > This was important because it obviously came from a marble xenolith, and > > thereby established that at least some of them were derived from Paleozoic > > host rocks, not preCambrian ones. > > > > > > Incomplete recycling is neat, sometimes! > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > >I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. > > > >Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > >Tim Jokela Jr > > > >tjokela@execulink.com > > > >http://www.element51.com > > > >http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "John & Gloria Cornish" > > > >To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" > > > >Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM > > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from > Colorado; > > > >Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil talks > > to > > > >folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite > segments > > is > > > >that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more complex > > and > > > >exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis English > > No. 2 > > > >issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald fossil > > > >snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd > heard > > of > > > >years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning > that > > I'd > > > >be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he > mentioned > > to > > > >me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my > copy > > of > > > >Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having fossil > > > >snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the > > > >reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School of > > > >Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a chance > > any > > > >of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most > > > >interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A > > further > > > >reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals > > article > > > >and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen > #138) > > as > > > >being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had > been > > > >replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these fossils > > > >actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal and > > > >pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, > what > > > >other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? Thank > > you > > > >for taking the time, have a great day everyone, > > > >> > > > >> John > > > >> > > > >> PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can > be > > > >found at... > > > >> > > > >> http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > >> multipart/alternative > > > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > >> text/html > > > >> --- > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > >> Subscription Services: > > > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > >Subscription Services: > > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > R. Peter Richards > > > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > > > > Mineral collector > > > Crystallographer > > > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 16:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Trapp) Date: Wed Aug 14 15:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> <00c401c2432d$ffce61a0$b2e479a5@slc.edu> <001401c243c6$e075d740$f82cfb3e@oemcomputer> <001a01c243de$0fb33a40$185204d0@jim> Message-ID: <3D5ADBA3.9030708@azgs.az.gov> I can't check the article right now, but I suspect that body was preserved by the halite, not fossilized. Jim Daly wrote: > In an article on the Camp Verde Salt Mine in Arizona in Mineralogical Record > (Vol 14, p. 86, 1983, #2) there is mention of a pre-Columbian human body > fossilized in Halite. That's got to be the most exotic! > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ > sauktown@adsnet.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: a.m.robbemond > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > >>Some 6 years ago I saw a coral replaced by andradite (garnet), from the >>Drammen-area, Norway. I also heard about a ammonite replaced the same way, >>but have my doubts about that one. >> >>Best regards, >> >>André >>----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >>Van: "bob stevens" >>Aan: >>Verzonden: woensdag 14 augustus 2002 2:30 >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! >> >> >> >>> The phosphate locality at Jacksonville, Alabama has strengite and >>>cacoxenite occuring in various fossil casts of the Fort Payne chert. >>> >>Years >> >>>ago vivianite xls to 2 inches long where found in fossil casts in >>> > Stewart > >>>Co., Georgia. >>> I went to to the mineral show in Zurick, Switzerland in 1972. While >>>there I purchased a limonite psuedo after a doublely terminated quartz >>> > xl. > >>>I still can't figure that one out. >>> Interesting thread, keep it going. Bob >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Pete Richards >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:25 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! >>> >>> >>> >>>>My best oddball replacement was a brachiopod that I found at Mont >>>> >>>Saint-Hilaire, replaced by pectolite, arfvedsonite, and probably 45 new >>> >>and >> >>>unknown species (well, at least I have confidence in the first two >>> >>id's...). >> >>>This was important because it obviously came from a marble xenolith, and >>>thereby established that at least some of them were derived from >>> > Paleozoic > >>>host rocks, not preCambrian ones. >>> >>>>Incomplete recycling is neat, sometimes! >>>> >>>>Pete >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. >>>>>Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>> >>>>>Tim Jokela Jr >>>>>tjokela@execulink.com >>>>>http://www.element51.com >>>>>http://www.ontariominerals.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "John & Gloria Cornish" >>>>>To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" >>>>>Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM >>>>>Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from >>>>> >>Colorado; >> >>>>>Exotic fossil replacement minerals! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>>Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil >>>>>> > talks > >>>to >>> >>>>>folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite >>>>> >>segments >> >>>is >>> >>>>>that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more >>>>> > complex > >>>and >>> >>>>>exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis >>>>> > English > >>>No. 2 >>> >>>>>issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald >>>>> > fossil > >>>>>snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd >>>>> >>heard >> >>>of >>> >>>>>years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning >>>>> >>that >> >>>I'd >>> >>>>>be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he >>>>> >>mentioned >> >>>to >>> >>>>>me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my >>>>> >>copy >> >>>of >>> >>>>>Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having >>>>> > fossil > >>>>>snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the >>>>>reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School >>>>> > of > >>>>>Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a >>>>> > chance > >>>any >>> >>>>>of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most >>>>>interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A >>>>> >>>further >>> >>>>>reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals >>>>> >>>article >>> >>>>>and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen >>>>> >>#138) >> >>>as >>> >>>>>being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had >>>>> >>been >> >>>>>replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these >>>>> > fossils > >>>>>actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal >>>>> > and > >>>>>pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, >>>>> >>what >> >>>>>other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? >>>>> > Thank > >>>you >>> >>>>>for taking the time, have a great day everyone, >>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>>>PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can >>>>>> >>be >> >>>>>found at... >>>>> >>>>>>http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>>>>multipart/alternative >>>>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>>>> text/html >>>>>>--- >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>>>>Subscription Services: >>>>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>>>Subscription Services: >>>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>>> >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>R. Peter Richards >>>>rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >>>> >>>>Mineral collector >>>>Crystallographer >>>>SHAPE for the Macintosh >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>>Subscription Services: >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 16:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 14 15:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <3f.ff7f91e.2a8c37ce@aol.com> In a message dated 8/14/02 3:09:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sauktown@adsnet.com writes: > there is mention of a pre-Columbian human body > fossilized in Halite. That's got to be the most exotic! > Good story Jim. I recently watched a program on TV about mummies. Some were man made but others were accidentally created by natural forces. In one mummy the body fats had reacted to naturally occurring acids an essentially turned it into soap. Please don't mention that to my grandsons. They already have a soap aversion. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 17:02:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Wed Aug 14 16:02:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal References: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> Message-ID: The images are really to small to tell, but it looks like you have found flint/chert. Strike a piece of carbon steal on it and see if sparks fly. Find some tender fungus for the sparks to land in and you'll have fire! Or bring it to our next knapp-in on the 1st and we'll teach you how to make an arrowhead out of it :-) Most cherts are hard, and hard to scratch. If it's opal you should be able to scratch it with a knife. Here is the links to the images: http://www.opalvalley.com/images/reverse_side.jpg http://www.opalvalley.com/images/opal1.jpg Sherry > > hello; > I just found a rock that according to my book is opal but I'm not sure, I > have some pics of it does anyone want to help id it? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 18:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Aug 14 17:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal References: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D5AF675.DEBE4B7B@att.net> Tough to tell from the photo--where is Opal Valley? Would that happen to be near Virgin Valley, Nevada? If so, look for that crust to be a powdery white to buff. The opal should have a strange, almost plastic look and feel to it, and will fluoresce a vivid green under longwave UV, due I believe to the uranyl ion content. If it's *not* the Nevada material, then a hardness test should narrow it down. If it is opal, it's probably "common opal," which appears more homogeneous and doesn't have the play of color that its Australian, Mexican, etc., cousins have. Unfortunately, both opal and chert are silica minerals, both with a conchoidal fracture that can be knapped into lithic tools--though opal tends to be more fragile and chert is much tougher--and both with a wide variety of compositions and appearances that can make sight ID difficult. Now if you had a Lightning Ridge knobby or a Mexican jelly, we could pick that out from a photo right quick! Opals tend to be more translucent, whereas cherts are grainier, and less lustrous. Hope this helps. Don Sherry Pauley wrote: > > The images are really to small to tell, but it looks like you have found > flint/chert. Strike a piece of carbon steal on it and see if sparks fly. > Find some tender fungus for the sparks to land in and you'll have fire! Or > bring it to our next knapp-in on the 1st and we'll teach you how to make an > arrowhead out of it :-) > > Most cherts are hard, and hard to scratch. If it's opal you should be able > to scratch it with a knife. > > Here is the links to the images: > http://www.opalvalley.com/images/reverse_side.jpg > > http://www.opalvalley.com/images/opal1.jpg > Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 20:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Aug 14 19:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <00de01c24401$842d1bc0$da85a141@jgcornish> Hi Pete and All!, Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to respond to my query. As Bob mentioned, this thread is proving to be most interesting and I am very much enjoying all of your replies! Thanks for the clarification Pete (reflecting the importance of proper terminology!), and for the note on your own exotic. Some of the specimens you folks are mentioning sound absolutely fantastic. Rhodocrosites, garnets, amazing stuff! What a terrific sub-collection theme (and it sure sounds like you've some terrific specimens in your collection Gene!). Thanks everyone for sharing! John As an aside following the theme, here in Washington I've been fortunate to have found several decapods with cavities containing calcite crystals and have seen two specimens of completely agatized 5 inch crabs(!) from an elderly gentleman's collection (quiet till the day he died, he took his secret locality with him). With regard to bivalves, I've found a varied palate of minerals within interior cavities including quartz (agate and clear drusy crystals), calcite (clear, yellow and golden colored rhombic forms), barite (in prismatic clear, yellow and blue crystals), clear selenite (fishtail twins) and sphalerite (in complex brownish-honey colored crystals), minor sulfides accompany some specimens as do the rare as yet unidentified crystal oddity. At a relatively new locality (3 years old now), we've been finding pyrite casts after bivalves, gastropods and echinoids along one several hundred yard stretch of beach. After confirming the emeralds and now after having heard of some of these terrific specimens mine just don't seem so special, I mean cavities of strengite and cacoxenite, arfvedsonite, vivianite and anapaite--sheesh! That's quite a roll call! Ya gotta just love the mineral and fossil worlds around us! All the best everyone, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > To the extent that this thread addresses or ponders processes of replacement, rather than just the outcome (e.g. the question "I wonder how it got that way"), it is useful to distinguish between three kinds of fossil preservation. Some fossils are found with the shell (or bone or wood) material preserved, or recrystallized so that the texture changes but not the chemistry. Other fossils are preserved as molds - i.e. the rock that fills and surrounds the original shell, the shell itself having dissolved away and been replaced by a void. For a fossil that contains internal space (e.g. clam or snail shell), preservation may or may not involve filling the internal space with sediment; hence there may or may not be an internal mold. Still other fossils are preserved as casts - i.e. as mineral infillings of a mold. > > There is some relationship between the kind of organism and the kind of preservation, though it is not hard and fast. For example, most brachiopods build their shells out of calcite fibers whereas most clams and snails precipitate aragonite. Because aragonite is more soluble than calcite, clams and snails are often preserved as molds and/or casts when brachiopods in the same beds are preserved with the shell material and structure largely unaltered. > > With respect to exotic replacements, I would suggest that fossil molds are not really much different than any other void in a rock - they are preferred places for the deposition of new minerals. In many sedimentary rocks, fossil molds may be the only voids present. Thus, while it takes special geologic environments to set the stage for such exotic "replacement", it is not particularly surprising to find casts of fossils composed of exotic materials. The exotic materials have not replaced anything - they have just grown in a convenient empty space that happens to be shaped like an organism. My impression is that the emerald fossil replacements are casts, and I would expect that many of the other replacements are casts as well. > > Producing a fossil mold composed of exotic material would (usually) imply replacing the sedimentary rock that forms the mold; this seems a good bit less likely. It does happen, however: the pectolite and arfvedsonite pseudomorph after brachiopod I found at Mont Saint-Hilaire was apparently an internal mold, replacing the original limestone. > > Producing a fossil in which the exotic material actually replaces the original skeletal material requires a chemical reaction with that skeletal material, and therefore a more special set of conditions than is needed to produce a cast. While this happens commonly with the special case of petrified wood, it is likely to be rather uncommon in general, especially when exotic minerals are involved. Depending on whether or not details of the skeletal structure are preserved, it may not be possible to distinguish such a replacement from a cast formed by simple infilling of the space left after the shell dissolved away. Silicified or pyritized fossils include examples of this replacement. As I understand it, brachiopods with shells replaced by vesuvianite are found in the hornfels at Mont Saint-Hilaire. > > Many years ago, I played a dirty trick on a geologic colleague. I soaked some brachiopods for a month in a concentrated solution of copper sulfate. The copper sulfate reacted with some of the calcite of the brachiopod shell, leaving good surface detail but a decidedly green fossil due to the formation of malachite (I presume). I innocently showed them to my colleague, who was very excited until I admitted where they came from. But this same process could very well operate in just the right environment in the oxidizing zone of a ore deposit hosted in a fossiliferous sedimentary rock in the Southwest.... > > Pete Richards > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 20:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Wed Aug 14 19:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal References: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> <3D5AF675.DEBE4B7B@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Don, I design Web Sites. Opal Valley Web Design is the name I picked for my business, at: www.opalvalley.com As far as I know it's a made up place where everything is made of opal...I wish!!! Sherry > > Tough to tell from the photo--where is Opal Valley? Would that happen > to be near Virgin Valley, Nevada? If so, look for that crust to be a > powdery white to buff. The opal should have a strange, almost plastic > look and feel to it, and will fluoresce a vivid green under longwave UV, > due I believe to the uranyl ion content. > > If it's *not* the Nevada material, then a hardness test should narrow it > down. If it is opal, it's probably "common opal," which appears more > homogeneous and doesn't have the play of color that its Australian, > Mexican, etc., cousins have. Unfortunately, both opal and chert are > silica minerals, both with a conchoidal fracture that can be knapped > into lithic tools--though opal tends to be more fragile and chert is > much tougher--and both with a wide variety of compositions and > appearances that can make sight ID difficult. Now if you had a Lightning > Ridge knobby or a Mexican jelly, we could pick that out from a photo > right quick! Opals tend to be more translucent, whereas cherts are > grainier, and less lustrous. > > Hope this helps. > > Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 21:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 14 20:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> <00de01c24401$842d1bc0$da85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <3D5B1D3D.279B@Tomaszewski.net> John & Gloria Cornish wrote: > > Hi Pete and All!, > > Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to respond to my query. Let me add one more. I have some 'blown up' quartz geode fossils from Indiana. They appear to have been gypsum replacement fossils (which cause the fossil to be expanded like a balloon) that were later replaced (as cast fossils) by quartz geodes; quartz geode pseudomorph after gypsum replacement. A three inch plus (obviously) brachiopod or aulacera or horn coral that is a quartz geode certainly is a fun fossil to have. BTW, Last weekend my wife and I took our two youngest kids to the Field Museum in Chicago. They had three of these fossils on display. My 13 year old daughter's remark that "Hey Dad, your fossils like these look a whole lot more like the original animals" was the high point of the whole trip! Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 21:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 14 20:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814173105.027313c0@mail.aloha.net> Hi Hans, Bill, my resident astronomer and former-astronaut-candidate husband, has an extra copy of a 1988 NASA publication: "Astronaut's Guide to Terrestrial Impact Craters." He says he knows it is missing some (it's outdated, and discusses only those that can be seen from space), it's only 90 pages, photos in black & white, but is still interesting. If you're interested and can't find it elsewhere contact us off-list. He also says that he's been to the Arizona Meteor Crater and highly recommends a visit. Aloha, Kitty At 04:30 AM 8/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently >known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire >world, and short of that, for North America. > >Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > >Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's >say the last three or four years? > >Cheers & thanks >Hans Durstling >Moncton, >Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 22:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Wed Aug 14 21:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? References: <9vj14c+agtv@eGroups.com> <3D5A833F.64ED861D@gmx.de> Message-ID: <004301c24416$05daf480$ce01560c@oemcomputer> Juergen, Yes, I'm quite sure that all the minerals that have been described from Point of Rocks, can still be found there (and there is always opportunity for encountering some new ones, too). There's a lot of rock there, and the minerals are widely distributed in the small cavities in the rock. The more abundant minerals (villiaumite, eudialyte, mangan-neptunite, aegirine) are quite easy to find, many of the others are more scarce but still present. I believe Ray DeMark's article gave exact directions including how to contact the ranch owners, the Gaines family, there--if you need their phone no., please email me offline and I'll send it to you. The rancher, Pete Gaines, has since died, but his wife Faye still lives there at the base of the mesa. Pete Modreski, Denver CO ----- Original Message ----- From: Juergen Wachsmuth To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? Hello, is there anybody who is familiar with the locality Point of Rock Mesa, near Springer, Colfax Co., New Mexico? I know the articles in Mineralogical Record (1984, 1989). Which minerals are really available from that place? I would like to hear from you. Cheers, Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 22:43:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Aug 14 21:43:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> <00c401c2432d$ffce61a0$b2e479a5@slc.edu> <001401c243c6$e075d740$f82cfb3e@oemcomputer> <001a01c243de$0fb33a40$185204d0@jim> Message-ID: <00f501c24415$12867980$da85a141@jgcornish> Hi Jim, Two I really love are the atacamite and chalcanthite mouse from Russia in the collection of the Fersman Museum and the "copper man" from South America in the American Museum in New York. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > In an article on the Camp Verde Salt Mine in Arizona in Mineralogical Record > (Vol 14, p. 86, 1983, #2) there is mention of a pre-Columbian human body > fossilized in Halite. That's got to be the most exotic! > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ > sauktown@adsnet.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: a.m.robbemond > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > Some 6 years ago I saw a coral replaced by andradite (garnet), from the > > Drammen-area, Norway. I also heard about a ammonite replaced the same way, > > but have my doubts about that one. > > > > Best regards, > > > > André > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > > Van: "bob stevens" > > Aan: > > Verzonden: woensdag 14 augustus 2002 2:30 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > > > > > The phosphate locality at Jacksonville, Alabama has strengite and > > > cacoxenite occuring in various fossil casts of the Fort Payne chert. > > Years > > > ago vivianite xls to 2 inches long where found in fossil casts in > Stewart > > > Co., Georgia. > > > I went to to the mineral show in Zurick, Switzerland in 1972. While > > > there I purchased a limonite psuedo after a doublely terminated quartz > xl. > > > I still can't figure that one out. > > > Interesting thread, keep it going. Bob > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Pete Richards > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > > > > > My best oddball replacement was a brachiopod that I found at Mont > > > Saint-Hilaire, replaced by pectolite, arfvedsonite, and probably 45 new > > and > > > unknown species (well, at least I have confidence in the first two > > id's...). > > > This was important because it obviously came from a marble xenolith, and > > > thereby established that at least some of them were derived from > Paleozoic > > > host rocks, not preCambrian ones. > > > > > > > > Incomplete recycling is neat, sometimes! > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've got a gastropod replaced by rhodochrosite from Kertch, Ukraine. > > > > >Vivianites in clam shells from the same area are pretty neat as well. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > > > >Tim Jokela Jr > > > > >tjokela@execulink.com > > > > >http://www.element51.com > > > > >http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "John & Gloria Cornish" > > > > >To: "rockhounds@drizzle.com" > > > > >Sent: August 12, 2002 3:50 PM > > > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald from Columbia, native silver from > > Colorado; > > > > >Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi All, > > > > >> > > > > >> Many of you who know me, know that I present mineral and fossil > talks > > > to > > > > >folks on a regular basis throughout the year. One of my favorite > > segments > > > is > > > > >that of pseudomorphs. Starting with petrified wood, I get more > complex > > > and > > > > >exotic in my discussion of replacements. The recent extraLapis > English > > > No. 2 > > > > >issue, Emeralds of the World, had an incredible photo of emerald > fossil > > > > >snails from a mine in Columbia confirming a rumored replacement I'd > > heard > > > of > > > > >years before. In discussing this with a friend and after mentioning > > that > > > I'd > > > > >be interested in knowing of other exotic type replacements, he > > mentioned > > > to > > > > >me the fossil native silver snails of Colorado. And sure enough, my > > copy > > > of > > > > >Minerals of Colorado references the Mollie Gibson Mine as having > fossil > > > > >snails replaced by native silver, galena and sphalerite and lists the > > > > >reference, Baillie, W. N., 1962, Silver in Colorado: Colorado School > of > > > > >Mines Mineral Industries Bulletin, v. 5, no. 5, 18p. Is there a > chance > > > any > > > > >of you may have this paper or access to it perhaps? I would be most > > > > >interested in getting a copy of this if anyone out there can help. A > > > further > > > > >reference for this same mine was published in a Rocks and Minerals > > > article > > > > >and mentions a Denver Museum of Natural History specimen (Specimen > > #138) > > > as > > > > >being a fossil snail on a limestone matrix where only the matrix had > > been > > > > >replaced by native silver leaving me a bit confused as to these > fossils > > > > >actually having been replaced or not. Calcite, barite, quartz, opal > and > > > > >pyrite are somewhat common fossil replacement minerals, I'm curious, > > what > > > > >other types of exotic fossil replacements are you folks aware of? > Thank > > > you > > > > >for taking the time, have a great day everyone, > > > > >> > > > > >> John > > > > >> > > > > >> PS for any of you interested, a link showing the emerald snails can > > be > > > > >found at... > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.emeraldmine.com/museum2.htm > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> has the reference to a Rocks and Minerals article > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > >> multipart/alternative > > > > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > >> text/html > > > > >> --- > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > >> Subscription Services: > > > > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > >Subscription Services: > > > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > R. Peter Richards > > > > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > > > > > > Mineral collector > > > > Crystallographer > > > > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 14 22:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Aug 14 21:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <3f.ff7f91e.2a8c37ce@aol.com> Message-ID: <00f601c24415$5a5ad760$da85a141@jgcornish> Hi Grant, This is called Saponification. If a person were to do a search of the net they'd find many interesting sites available on the subject. Though perhaps they'd be a bit disappointed to find the sites mainly filled with information regarding the manufacture of soap as compared to the less delicate subject of human remains. Incidentally, were I do the majority of my talks here in Washington, I do them from near the shore line of Lake Crescent in the Olympic National Park. In the 1950's a woman was murdered (by her husband it was later discovered) and her body, weighted down, was dropped into the lakes black waters where it sped speedily below. Years later she slipped free of her weighted bonds and floated to the lakes surface where she was found by two fishermen. As they drew her body from the lake, portions of her skin broke away and were found to have changed to soap. The waters feeding into Lake Crescent are mainly glacier derived and glacier water is known to have a high alkaline content, so much so that her body changed and became essentially a 150 pound bar of soap. Lady of the lake lane was named in her honor. Her name was Holly. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > In a message dated 8/14/02 3:09:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > sauktown@adsnet.com writes: > > > > there is mention of a pre-Columbian human body > > fossilized in Halite. That's got to be the most exotic! > > > Good story Jim. I recently watched a program on TV about mummies. Some were > man made but others were accidentally created by natural forces. In one mummy > the body fats had reacted to naturally occurring acids an essentially turned > it into soap. Please don't mention that to my grandsons. They already have a > soap aversion. > > Grant > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 05:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Aug 15 04:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal References: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> <3D5AF675.DEBE4B7B@att.net> Message-ID: <3D5B9725.F95CFF45@att.net> ooooooooooooh . . . that's what I get for paying attention to the thread sequence. Dummy Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 08:56:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Sorrell) Date: Thu Aug 15 07:56:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <200208151455.g7FEtuHS023535@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all Two Australian examples that undoubtedly fit Pete's description: 1. Permian gastropods and crinoid stems have been completely replaced by cassiterite in the New England district of New South Wales (see L. Lawrence (1998), Tin Bearing Minerals, Australian Journal of Mineralogy New England Issue, Vol 4/2). Laurie Lawrence describes five occurrences of cassiterite being formed in progressively lower temperatures, the fifth of these being the replacement of the fossils. 2. Permian (again!) spirifid brachiopds at Royal George in Tasmania where the spirals in the interior of the brachiopods are replaced by quartz crystals. I've heard that some rarely contain fluorite too, but I've not seen evidence of this. Regards Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 09:39:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margolis, Richard J. {Disc~Nutley}) Date: Thu Aug 15 08:39:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <187929089B50D611AACA00508BCF85A17F42C8@rnumsem05.tot.roche.com> Hi, How do I drop membership while I am on vacation? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 10:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 15 09:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! In-Reply-To: <00de01c24401$842d1bc0$da85a141@jgcornish> References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: Hi John and group, Your latest email reminded me of one more "mineral" fossil from Washington State that has escaped my mind for a while -- the chalcedony casts of pelecypods, nautilus and coral from Green Creek (near Lebam in SW Wash. - if my memory is serving me correctly). These are (or at least were) found in the gravels of the creek, eroded out and concentrated from an unknown Tertiary source. The fossils consist of simple chalcedony fillings of the empty/closed pelecypod shells (sometimes with "shell" attached, usually not) and the same for the nautilus. The nautilus are interesting in having different colors of chalcedony in each section. The coral may be a replacement, or a filling, but they do show the coral structure very well (a community/massive type coral, not single or branching type). My father and I got lucky once and managed to hit a nice "pocket" of these in the gravels, so I have good examples. My favorite being the nautilus a couple inches across. Green Creek is entirely on private property, so collecting is restricted. After being dug for many years by various rockhound clubs, the fossils are probably rather scarce now. Regards, Lanny >Hi Pete and All!, > >Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to respond to my query. As >Bob mentioned, this thread is proving to be most interesting and I am very >much enjoying all of your replies! Thanks for the clarification Pete >(reflecting the importance of proper terminology!), and for the note on your >own exotic. Some of the specimens you folks are mentioning sound absolutely >fantastic. Rhodocrosites, garnets, amazing stuff! What a terrific >sub-collection theme (and it sure sounds like you've some terrific specimens >in your collection Gene!). Thanks everyone for sharing! > >John > >As an aside following the theme, here in Washington I've been fortunate to >have found several decapods with cavities containing calcite crystals and >have seen two specimens of completely agatized 5 inch crabs(!) from an >elderly gentleman's collection (quiet till the day he died, he took his >secret locality with him). With regard to bivalves, I've found a varied >palate of minerals within interior cavities including quartz (agate and >clear drusy crystals), calcite (clear, yellow and golden colored rhombic >forms), barite (in prismatic clear, yellow and blue crystals), clear >selenite (fishtail twins) and sphalerite (in complex brownish-honey colored >crystals), minor sulfides accompany some specimens as do the rare as yet >unidentified crystal oddity. At a relatively new locality (3 years old now), >we've been finding pyrite casts after bivalves, gastropods and echinoids >along one several hundred yard stretch of beach. After confirming the >emeralds and now after having heard of some of these terrific specimens mine >just don't seem so special, I mean cavities of strengite and cacoxenite, >arfvedsonite, vivianite and anapaite--sheesh! That's quite a roll call! Ya >gotta just love the mineral and fossil worlds around us! All the best >everyone, > >John > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 11:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Thu Aug 15 10:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <000b01c2447d$1e58ebe0$5c2707d8@joe> SHERRY AND DON; Thanks for all of your help. Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 11:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Aug 15 10:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? References: <9vj14c+agtv@eGroups.com> <3D5A833F.64ED861D@gmx.de> <004301c24416$05daf480$ce01560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D5BE0D2.7278ED3A@earthlink.net> Hi Pete and List I just moved to Las Cruces, NM and wonder where Point of Rocks is. Walt "Peter J. Modreski" wrote: > Juergen, > > Yes, I'm quite sure that all the minerals that have been described from > Point of Rocks, can still be found there (and there is always opportunity > for encountering some new ones, too). There's a lot of rock there, and the > minerals are widely distributed in the small cavities in the rock. The more > abundant minerals (villiaumite, eudialyte, mangan-neptunite, aegirine) are > quite easy to find, many of the others are more scarce but still present. I > believe Ray DeMark's article gave exact directions including how to contact > the ranch owners, the Gaines family, there--if you need their phone no., > please email me offline and I'll send it to you. The rancher, Pete Gaines, > has since died, but his wife Faye still lives there at the base of the mesa. > > Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Juergen Wachsmuth > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:20 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? > > Hello, > > is there anybody who is familiar with the locality Point of Rock Mesa, > near > Springer, Colfax Co., New Mexico? I know the articles in Mineralogical > Record (1984, 1989). Which minerals are really available from that > place? I would like to hear from you. > > Cheers, > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 11:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Aug 15 10:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal References: <001301c243c2$557da810$792707d8@joe> <3D5AF675.DEBE4B7B@att.net> <3D5B9725.F95CFF45@att.net> Message-ID: <3D5BE59E.E4E953EC@earthlink.net> He dummy. You and I both. Walt Don H wrote: > ooooooooooooh . . . that's what I get for paying attention to the thread > sequence. > > Dummy Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 12:50:10 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 15 11:50:10 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! Message-ID: <162.1256fdc4.2a8d5199@aol.com> In a message dated 8/14/02 9:45:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, j& gcornish@tenforward.com writes: > Saponification. Thanks. That was an interesting story. I looked up the word (www.google.com) and did find a lot about soap. I never knew that soap and lard were so similar. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 13:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Thu Aug 15 12:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Keweenaw Week 2 Yard Bucket In-Reply-To: <002601c242f8$d79b5880$0c06efd1@oemcomputer> References: <006e01c242ef$9eb6eb00$581cbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Recently I had the pleasure of participating in "Keweenaw Week" an extravaganza of rock hunting, shows, talks and other geological pleasures hosted by the Copper Country Rock Club and the A.E. Seaman Mineral Museum in the beautiful U.P. of Michigan. One of the big events of the week were sessions hosted at the Caledonia Mine, near Greenland, Michigan. This mine is run by Red Metal Minerals for the production of specimen copper, datolite and other goodies from the 1.1 billion year old lavas. For Keweenaw Week, the owner opens the dumps to collecting, and also hosts underground collecting tours for the determined. Since I lack binocular vision and spend most of my time underground trying not to fall down and get killed, I usually don't do those tours. Recently however, there is an option to buy a 2 cubic yard load of material from a productive part of the deposit. The load is hauled to the surface and dumped in the beautiful outdoors for the purchaser ($40). For 3 hours, that's your pile to search through, and you are the first person to collect in it. To make things even better, each purchaser gets a hose with a garden style nozzle and access to a virtually unlimited supply of water pumped from the mine. How could I resist? I scheduled my 2 cubic yard bucket for late in the week, and watched the technique of others who went earlier. At first, I thought that 2 cubic yards didn't sound like much rock. Well, if you think about basalt densities and do a little math, that works out to 1 or 2 tons of stuff. That's a lot of rock for one guy to move in 3 hours. Another thing to remember is that the rock is coated with mine muck. That's why the water comes in handy. However, water and mine muck also make pretty good mud. I was glad I had some rubber boots along. A tip I got was that wetting rocks makes it more difficult to detect copper with many metal detectors. Since I didn't use a metal detector (just my practiced eye-ball and hand hefting to pick out those denser metal-rich rocks) I knew I'd hit the water early and often. If you do use a metal detector, you would want to spread out stuff from the pile in stages, survey it with the detector, THEN hit it with water and look for other minerals. Some of my friends who had a bucket earlier in the week had come up with few if any "keepers". I resolved not to be discouraged by their experiences, and reasoned I had bought a chance to find good stuff, with no guarantees. Just like any rock collecting trip - or fishing trip, etc. etc. I was just going to have fun with it. Besides, I knew no matter what I'd get a pile of stuff for my mineralogy students to paw through this winter. The morning came to get my pile. That days' 6"bucket-buyers" assembled at the mine at 9 A.M. and were walked down to a corner of the dump. We could pick out own piles! I chose the pile that would stay in the shade longest. The day was beautiful, and I could look out across the rugged tree-covered Keweenawan terrain. But I had little time to sight-see.The clock was ticking! By noon a front end loader was to come in to clear my spot and dump a new pile there for the 1 P.M. shift of "bucket buyers". Bang! We were off. I quickly dealt with the larger boulders which rapidly showed themselves to be massive basalt with little specimen potential. I made a dump pile toward the back of my pad, and tossed any barren rock there. I had 4 big tuperware boxes laid out for specimens. Anything interesting got pitched there. That was things with obvious calcite veins or amygdule fills which could be etched to reveal copper, silver, adularia, epidote, pumpellyite, quartz and prehnite in pleasing crystallized combinations. Since the goodies were embedded in calcite, I could treat the samples rough and toss them. I got pretty good hitting the containers from my pile. I sorted fast - as soon as the water showed me a promising chunk, I quit washing it and tossed it in a box. As soon as I recognized "junk" it flew onto the dump pile. Suddenly I was looking at a nice dirty sheet of copper. Didn't need a metal detector for it. It was an angular heavy sheet, weighing perhaps a pound. Worth only a couple of bucks cleaned up at a rock shop, but who cares? It was a thrill finding it there. This one I had carried to the container I designed the "copper specimen repository". I wound up getting about 5 pieces like this to clean. Looks like mostly sheet copper, but some have calcite which may hide nice wires or crystals. Maybe even silver! I'll find out this fall and winter as I work on them. My eye started looking at the smaller fragments. I noticed that what at first I thought was quartz or calcite was a finer porcellaneous material. It was datolite - lots of white fragments, but others with a coffee cream or pink color. A few samples had red datolite veins running through them. There must have originally been originally several good sized nodules, but the blasting and dumping had fractured them. Still, there were nice specimen pieces and some large enough for lapidary potential. Earlier in the week I had been kidding some die-hard datolite collectors. The Keweenaw datolite is finely granular porcellaneous masses, often delicately and subtly colored in pink, tan or yellow. One datolite sold at the Seaman Museum benefit auction the night before for over $1,400. One of my friends thought that it resembled dyed bathroom porcelain. I thought we ought to start a business breaking up old toilet bowls and dying them to sell, not as porcellaneous datolite, but a datollaneous porcellanite. Now that I was finding it, though, I got hooked, and rapidly filled an egg carton with nice pieces. I had to take a break about half way through my time. My back and arms were aching and my morning coffee had backed up. I saw that my boxes were filling up, nicely but I had now sorted out the bigger chunks and was down to a pile of finer material. In looking around, I saw that the other teams, working in twos, had gotten further and were now digging holes in the dump. I still had a mound. I knew I needed to pick up the pace to get through my load in time. At this point I desperately missed an important tool. I should have had a rake to spread this stuff out. I used my shovel to spread as much as I could. Hitting the stuff with water made mud well up and got the stuff dirtier than before. I used a lid and, finally, my fingers to spread things further. I had very raw finger tips the next day. My reward was a few more nice coppers and datolite. As time expired, I was ready to drop. My pile was down to a layer about one rock thick, and I had crawled over it getting anything I thought was of interest. I had three and a half tuperware containers full of interesting stuff to sort - my own little Keweenaw mine dump in my basement this winter, plus a pile of copper and 2 egg-boxes full of datolite. Thank goodness we were allowed to drive our vehicles down to where we were collecting so that the buckets of heavy rocks didn't have to be carried up the steep mine road. This was great fun. Hopefully next summer the club and museum will organize another Keweenaw Week and they'll be another shot at 2 yard buckets. If you are in the area, this is a great activity. Best wishes - Bill Cordua Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 13:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Aug 15 12:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <162.1256fdc4.2a8d5199@aol.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c24493$032605e0$4384a141@jgcornish> Hi Grant, Your welcome. Say, on your original post you mentioned mummies and with Dr. Bill's recent post (A Keweeman Week 2 Yard Bucket) it jarred my memory and I wondered if perhaps you'd read Dr. Bill's Mummy paper? Here's the link to it and many of his other interesting papers! All the best, John http://www.uwrf.edu/~wc01/Natron.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > In a message dated 8/14/02 9:45:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, j& > gcornish@tenforward.com writes: > > > > Saponification. > > Thanks. That was an interesting story. I looked up the word (www.google.com) > and did find a lot about soap. I never knew that soap and lard were so > similar. > > Grant > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 14:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 15 13:53:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Keweenaw Week 2 Yard Bucket Message-ID: <61579B98.4575ACD9.02180873@aol.com> Wow Dr. Bill, sounds like a great collecting opportunity and one even suitable for someone with monocular vision. And Datolites too..... sigh. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 15 16:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Aug 15 15:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Keweenaw Week 2 Yard Bucket References: <006e01c242ef$9eb6eb00$581cbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <000901c244a8$a5920580$2f5204d0@jim> Thanks for the report, Bill! I wasn't able to get to Keweenaw Week this year, and was wondering how the 2 Yard Buckets would work out. Sounds like it was a good deal, but probably best worked as a 2 or 3 man team because of the time constraint. Hope to get there and try it next year if they do it again. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: William S. Cordua To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] A Keweenaw Week 2 Yard Bucket > Hi all, > > Recently I had the pleasure of participating in "Keweenaw Week" an > extravaganza of rock hunting, shows, talks and other geological pleasures > hosted by the Copper Country Rock Club and the A.E. Seaman Mineral Museum > in the beautiful U.P. of Michigan. One of the big events of the week were > sessions hosted at the Caledonia Mine, near Greenland, Michigan. This mine > is run by Red Metal Minerals for the production of specimen copper, > datolite and other goodies from the 1.1 billion year old lavas. For > Keweenaw Week, the owner opens the dumps to collecting, and also hosts > underground collecting tours for the determined. Since I lack binocular > vision and spend most of my time underground trying not to fall down and > get killed, I usually don't do those tours. Recently however, there is an > option to buy a 2 cubic yard load of material from a productive part of the > deposit. The load is hauled to the surface and dumped in the beautiful > outdoors for the purchaser ($40). For 3 hours, that's your pile to search > through, and you are the first person to collect in it. To make things even > better, each purchaser gets a hose with a garden style nozzle and access to > a virtually unlimited supply of water pumped from the mine. How could I > resist? I scheduled my 2 cubic yard bucket for late in the week, and > watched the technique of others who went earlier. > At first, I thought that 2 cubic yards didn't sound like much rock. > Well, if you think about basalt densities and do a little math, that works > out to 1 or 2 tons of stuff. That's a lot of rock for one guy to move in 3 > hours. > Another thing to remember is that the rock is coated with mine > muck. That's why the water comes in handy. However, water and mine muck > also make pretty good mud. I was glad I had some rubber boots along. > A tip I got was that wetting rocks makes it more difficult to > detect copper with many metal detectors. Since I didn't use a metal > detector (just my practiced eye-ball and hand hefting to pick out those > denser metal-rich rocks) I knew I'd hit the water early and often. If you > do use a metal detector, you would want to spread out stuff from the pile > in stages, survey it with the detector, THEN hit it with water and look for > other minerals. > Some of my friends who had a bucket earlier in the week had come up > with few if any "keepers". I resolved not to be discouraged by their > experiences, and reasoned I had bought a chance to find good stuff, with no > guarantees. Just like any rock collecting trip - or fishing trip, etc. etc. > I was just going to have fun with it. Besides, I knew no matter what I'd > get a pile of stuff for my mineralogy students to paw through this winter. > The morning came to get my pile. That days' 6"bucket-buyers" > assembled at the mine at 9 A.M. and were walked down to a corner of the > dump. We could pick out own piles! I chose the pile that would stay in the > shade longest. The day was beautiful, and I could look out across the > rugged tree-covered Keweenawan terrain. But I had little time to > sight-see.The clock was ticking! By noon a front end loader was to come in > to clear my spot and dump a new pile there for the 1 P.M. shift of "bucket > buyers". > Bang! We were off. I quickly dealt with the larger boulders which > rapidly showed themselves to be massive basalt with little specimen > potential. I made a dump pile toward the back of my pad, and tossed any > barren rock there. I had 4 big tuperware boxes laid out for specimens. > Anything interesting got pitched there. That was things with obvious > calcite veins or amygdule fills which could be etched to reveal copper, > silver, adularia, epidote, pumpellyite, quartz and prehnite in pleasing > crystallized combinations. Since the goodies were embedded in calcite, I > could treat the samples rough and toss them. I got pretty good hitting the > containers from my pile. I sorted fast - as soon as the water showed me a > promising chunk, I quit washing it and tossed it in a box. As soon as I > recognized "junk" it flew onto the dump pile. > Suddenly I was looking at a nice dirty sheet of copper. Didn't need > a metal detector for it. It was an angular heavy sheet, weighing perhaps a > pound. Worth only a couple of bucks cleaned up at a rock shop, but who > cares? It was a thrill finding it there. This one I had carried to the > container I designed the "copper specimen repository". I wound up getting > about 5 pieces like this to clean. Looks like mostly sheet copper, but some > have calcite which may hide nice wires or crystals. Maybe even silver! I'll > find out this fall and winter as I work on them. > My eye started looking at the smaller fragments. I noticed that > what at first I thought was quartz or calcite was a finer porcellaneous > material. It was datolite - lots of white fragments, but others with a > coffee cream or pink color. A few samples had red datolite veins running > through them. There must have originally been originally several good sized > nodules, but the blasting and dumping had fractured them. Still, there were > nice specimen pieces and some large enough for lapidary potential. > Earlier in the week I had been kidding some die-hard datolite > collectors. The Keweenaw datolite is finely granular porcellaneous masses, > often delicately and subtly colored in pink, tan or yellow. One datolite > sold at the Seaman Museum benefit auction the night before for over $1,400. > One of my friends thought that it resembled dyed bathroom porcelain. I > thought we ought to start a business breaking up old toilet bowls and dying > them to sell, not as porcellaneous datolite, but a datollaneous > porcellanite. Now that I was finding it, though, I got hooked, and rapidly > filled an egg carton with nice pieces. > I had to take a break about half way through my time. My back and > arms were aching and my morning coffee had backed up. I saw that my boxes > were filling up, nicely but I had now sorted out the bigger chunks and was > down to a pile of finer material. In looking around, I saw that the other > teams, working in twos, had gotten further and were now digging holes in > the dump. I still had a mound. I knew I needed to pick up the pace to get > through my load in time. At this point I desperately missed an important > tool. I should have had a rake to spread this stuff out. I used my shovel > to spread as much as I could. Hitting the stuff with water made mud well up > and got the stuff dirtier than before. I used a lid and, finally, my > fingers to spread things further. I had very raw finger tips the next day. > My reward was a few more nice coppers and datolite. > As time expired, I was ready to drop. My pile was down to a layer > about one rock thick, and I had crawled over it getting anything I thought > was of interest. I had three and a half tuperware containers full of > interesting stuff to sort - my own little Keweenaw mine dump in my basement > this winter, plus a pile of copper and 2 egg-boxes full of datolite. Thank > goodness we were allowed to drive our vehicles down to where we were > collecting so that the buckets of heavy rocks didn't have to be carried up > the steep mine road. > This was great fun. Hopefully next summer the club and museum will > organize another Keweenaw Week and they'll be another shot at 2 yard > buckets. If you are in the area, this is a great activity. > Best wishes - Bill > Cordua > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 16 10:30:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sterling Hill Mine) Date: Fri Aug 16 09:30:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] About John Sinkankas Message-ID: <001801c24542$01ed9260$b7e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> Hello all, Does anybody have that web site link that had a great bio about John Sinkankas done by Jay Lininger?Or better yet, anyone has Jay's e-mail address? Thanks, Steve Misiur Curator Sterling Hill Mining Museum From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 16 10:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Fri Aug 16 09:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? References: <9vj14c+agtv@eGroups.com> <3D5A833F.64ED861D@gmx.de> <004301c24416$05daf480$ce01560c@oemcomputer> <3D5BE0D2.7278ED3A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D5D2B89.5DDC0DF3@gmx.de> Hello, as far as I know "Colfax Co., Raton Region, near Springer, Point of Rocks (=Pecks Mesa)". Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Dr. Walter S. Bowser schrieb: > Hi Pete and List > > I just moved to Las Cruces, NM and wonder where Point of Rocks is. > > Walt > > "Peter J. Modreski" wrote: > > > Juergen, > > > > Yes, I'm quite sure that all the minerals that have been described from > > Point of Rocks, can still be found there (and there is always opportunity > > for encountering some new ones, too). There's a lot of rock there, and the > > minerals are widely distributed in the small cavities in the rock. The more > > abundant minerals (villiaumite, eudialyte, mangan-neptunite, aegirine) are > > quite easy to find, many of the others are more scarce but still present. I > > believe Ray DeMark's article gave exact directions including how to contact > > the ranch owners, the Gaines family, there--if you need their phone no., > > please email me offline and I'll send it to you. The rancher, Pete Gaines, > > has since died, but his wife Faye still lives there at the base of the mesa. > > > > Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Juergen Wachsmuth > > To: ; > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:20 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? > > > > Hello, > > > > is there anybody who is familiar with the locality Point of Rock Mesa, > > near > > Springer, Colfax Co., New Mexico? I know the articles in Mineralogical > > Record (1984, 1989). Which minerals are really available from that > > place? I would like to hear from you. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > > Ulm - Germany > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 16 13:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 16 12:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? References: <9vj14c+agtv@eGroups.com> <3D5A833F.64ED861D@gmx.de> <004301c24416$05daf480$ce01560c@oemcomputer> <3D5BE0D2.7278ED3A@earthlink.net> <3D5D2B89.5DDC0DF3@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3D5D5219.869CE937@earthlink.net> Ok, Juergen, Up in the northern part of the state. Thanks, Viel Dahnke, Walt Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: > Hello, > > as far as I know "Colfax Co., Raton Region, near Springer, Point of Rocks (=Pecks > Mesa)". > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser schrieb: > > > Hi Pete and List > > > > I just moved to Las Cruces, NM and wonder where Point of Rocks is. > > > > Walt > > > > "Peter J. Modreski" wrote: > > > > > Juergen, > > > > > > Yes, I'm quite sure that all the minerals that have been described from > > > Point of Rocks, can still be found there (and there is always opportunity > > > for encountering some new ones, too). There's a lot of rock there, and the > > > minerals are widely distributed in the small cavities in the rock. The more > > > abundant minerals (villiaumite, eudialyte, mangan-neptunite, aegirine) are > > > quite easy to find, many of the others are more scarce but still present. I > > > believe Ray DeMark's article gave exact directions including how to contact > > > the ranch owners, the Gaines family, there--if you need their phone no., > > > please email me offline and I'll send it to you. The rancher, Pete Gaines, > > > has since died, but his wife Faye still lives there at the base of the mesa. > > > > > > Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Juergen Wachsmuth > > > To: ; > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:20 AM > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Collectors in New Mexico? > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > is there anybody who is familiar with the locality Point of Rock Mesa, > > > near > > > Springer, Colfax Co., New Mexico? I know the articles in Mineralogical > > > Record (1984, 1989). Which minerals are really available from that > > > place? I would like to hear from you. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > > > Ulm - Germany > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 16 22:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Aug 16 21:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! References: <014001c24239$85c451c0$dd85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <004501c245a2$fe5fb9a0$e085a141@jgcornish> Hi Lanny and Everyone, Thanks for the additional notes on a "lost NW locality". Nice to know, bummer its no longer accessible, a pity. Thanks for the note on your blown-up specimen Kreigh and congrats on the compliment! And Steve, thanks for the note on your local goodies, lots of amazing things in your corner of the world! Thanks everyone for your help and comments, its been fun. I'll be out of town for a bit. Good luck in the field everyone! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Exotic fossil replacement minerals! > > Hi John and group, > > Your latest email reminded me of one more "mineral" fossil from Washington > State that has escaped my mind for a while -- the chalcedony casts of > pelecypods, nautilus and coral from Green Creek (near Lebam in SW Wash. - > if my memory is serving me correctly). These are (or at least were) found > in the gravels of the creek, eroded out and concentrated from an unknown > Tertiary source. The fossils consist of simple chalcedony fillings of the > empty/closed pelecypod shells (sometimes with "shell" attached, usually > not) and the same for the nautilus. The nautilus are interesting in having > different colors of chalcedony in each section. The coral may be a > replacement, or a filling, but they do show the coral structure very well > (a community/massive type coral, not single or branching type). My father > and I got lucky once and managed to hit a nice "pocket" of these in the > gravels, so I have good examples. My favorite being the nautilus a couple > inches across. > > Green Creek is entirely on private property, so collecting is restricted. > After being dug for many years by various rockhound clubs, the fossils are > probably rather scarce now. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > > > > >Hi Pete and All!, > > > >Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to respond to my query. As > >Bob mentioned, this thread is proving to be most interesting and I am very > >much enjoying all of your replies! Thanks for the clarification Pete > >(reflecting the importance of proper terminology!), and for the note on your > >own exotic. Some of the specimens you folks are mentioning sound absolutely > >fantastic. Rhodocrosites, garnets, amazing stuff! What a terrific > >sub-collection theme (and it sure sounds like you've some terrific specimens > >in your collection Gene!). Thanks everyone for sharing! > > > >John > > > >As an aside following the theme, here in Washington I've been fortunate to > >have found several decapods with cavities containing calcite crystals and > >have seen two specimens of completely agatized 5 inch crabs(!) from an > >elderly gentleman's collection (quiet till the day he died, he took his > >secret locality with him). With regard to bivalves, I've found a varied > >palate of minerals within interior cavities including quartz (agate and > >clear drusy crystals), calcite (clear, yellow and golden colored rhombic > >forms), barite (in prismatic clear, yellow and blue crystals), clear > >selenite (fishtail twins) and sphalerite (in complex brownish-honey colored > >crystals), minor sulfides accompany some specimens as do the rare as yet > >unidentified crystal oddity. At a relatively new locality (3 years old now), > >we've been finding pyrite casts after bivalves, gastropods and echinoids > >along one several hundred yard stretch of beach. After confirming the > >emeralds and now after having heard of some of these terrific specimens mine > >just don't seem so special, I mean cavities of strengite and cacoxenite, > >arfvedsonite, vivianite and anapaite--sheesh! That's quite a roll call! Ya > >gotta just love the mineral and fossil worlds around us! All the best > >everyone, > > > >John > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 17 11:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Sat Aug 17 10:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Looking for rockhounding locations in central eastern Oregon Message-ID: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6EF@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> I want to thank everybody that replied to my original post on rockhounding in central Oregon. I received a lot of great ideas on sites to try and places to look for more information. We will be leaving on our trip tomorrow. I will write a brief trip report when we return. Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Messenger Sent: Wed 7/31/2002 1:58 PM To: Oregonrockhounds Mailing List (E-mail); Rockhounds (E-mail); Rockhounds Mailing List (E-mail); Rockhounds2 Mailing List (E-mail); Rockhoundsclub Mailing List (E-mail); RockhoundsList (E-mail); Rockhoundsunlimited Mailing List (E-mail); Rocksandfossils (E-mail) Cc: Subject: [Oregon Rockhounds] Looking for rockhounding locations in central eastern Oregon My son Thomas and I are planning a short trip down to Oregon at the end of August. We are new to rockhounding and have never been there. We have been doing some research on the web and have decided to go to the Hampton area for some petrified wood and then to the nearby Glass Butte for obsidian. After that we plan on heading to the Maury mountains for some moss agate. We are looking for other recommendations for rockhounding that are in this general area. Any sort of tips, directions and locations would be greatly appreciated. Mike Messenger Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: oregonrockhounds-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 17 14:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David R. Dick) Date: Sat Aug 17 13:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Asteroid Impact Structures In-Reply-To: <3D5916D5.C2C1051A@epix.net> from "Robert McGuire" at Aug 13, 2002 10:25:25 AM Message-ID: <200208131734.NAA31390@gateway.sii-nh.com> A neat compilation of crater info: http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/images.html > > Hi Hans, > > Many years ago I was stationed at Fort Churchill a then joint > Canadian/USA > military base. On the flight up one could not help but notice the many > ribbon candy creeks and rivers and many lakes. Of the lakes, many > appeared > to be perfect circles. Has any research been done on them or that > matter > Hudson Bay? Just food for thought. > > Take care, > Bob > > http://uvbob.com > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > H.Durstling" wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I'l looking for a comprensive list or map pinpointing all the presently > > known astroblemes (asteroid impact stuctures) - ideally for the entire > > world, and short of that, for North America. > > > > Does anyone know if there is such a thing? > > > > Also are there any new impact structures which have been dicovered in let's > > say the last three or four years? > > > > Cheers & thanks > > Hans Durstling > > Moncton, > > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 17 14:52:14 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 17 13:52:14 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Oddball minerals & locations Message-ID: <183.cb200b4.2a8bfc5e@aol.com> Hi list members, I received these in a collection recently and wondered if anyone on the lists, had an interest in them. I know some of the names have now either been changed or are discredited, and some are not spelled as we would in English. They are typed exactly as they appear on the labels. These are not pretty specimens, but, what I would describe as ore samples. I would like to sell them as one lot, but if no one wants them all, then I will price them per each. The price is $30.00, plus shipping. If anyone feels they are over priced than please let me know. I'll even throw in a sample of Hafnium. 1. Thomsonite & Pachnlite, Ivigtut, Greenland, Madsen Collection, Denmark 2. Mordenite,Aegerine, Nepheline, Kola, Chibira Tundra, Sovjet Madsen Collection, Denmark 3. Hagemannite, Siderite (pseudo) Pachnolite, Cryolite Mine, Ivigtut, Greenland, Madsen Collection, Denmark 4. Aegerine, Nepheline, Kola, Chibira Tundra, Sovjet, Madsen Collection 5. Andalusite, Pinite (mica) Kozakov, Bohemia, CSSR Madsen Collection 6. Naujaksite, Tuperssuatssiait, Greenland 7. Chalkosine, Chrysokol, Limonit, Vranice, bei Millin, CSSR 8. Malachite, Azurite, Siderite, Lieberneise, Bohemia, CSSR Madsen Collection 9. Kascholong, Delesite, Kozakov, Bohemia, CSSR Madsen Collection 10. Ivigtite (yellow), Ivigtut, Greenland, Madsen Collection, Denmark 11. Chalcosine, Vrancice, Pribram, CSSR 12. Coralierite, Bau?ble, Norway 13. Chabazite, Natrolite, Chibira Tundra, Kola, Sovjet 14. Quartz, Chalcedony, Opal, Chvaletice, Bohemia, CSSR 15. Rhodonite in Marcasite, Chvaletice, Bohemia, CSSR 16. Arsenopyrite, Pyrite, Galena, Freiberg, Scacsen, Bast, Germany 17. Pachnolite, Gearksutite, Ivigtut, Greenland, Madsen Collection, Denmark 18. Eisenkiesel, Schlottwitz, Sachsen, DDR, East Germany 19. Walaite, Calcite, Praha, CSSR asphalt mineral 20. Selenite, Sterboholy, Bohemia, CSSR 21. Malachite, Azurite, Kojetice, Bohemia, CSSR 22. Tourmaline on Felspar, Sweden 23. Calcite on Spharosiderite, Duingen/Weserbergland, Germany 24. Wavellite, Jivina, Bohemia, CSSR 25. Malachite on Feldspar, New South Wales, Australia Thanks for your time, Dave Phillips Sunset Fossils & Minerals Morgantown, WV From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 17 14:52:16 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 17 13:52:16 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The passing of Sue Gehret BMS In-Reply-To: <00de01c24401$842d1bc0$da85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <200208161307.g7GD7o0X023741@bubbleator.drizzle.com> It is with deep regret I should announce the passing of Sue Gehret, who was a heavily contributing/founding member of the Berks Mineralogical Society and Mineralogical society of PA. She passed on Wednesday, after what may have been a brief battle of cancer. I am reminded that Sue who was a SUBSTANTIAL contributor to many clubs, both mineralogical and others was also heavily involved with the Reading public museum in Reading Pa. Although Sue may not have been nationally famous, it is her spirit and lust of life that at a local level inspired many. Without people like sue there would be little need for nationally famous people as the hobby and science would have been significantly diminished without her contributions to get so many people involved that created a need for people of national recognition. We must remind ourselves, that each of us, although maybe never rising to national recognition, or even wanting to; play a major part in creating this environment in which we all have our special place. We will all miss Sue greatly, and I personally feel diminished. Dennis Buffenmyer From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 17 14:52:18 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 17 13:52:18 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tanzania Safari Problems References: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6EF@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Message-ID: <3D5EAAFE.FB227D89@earthlink.net> Hi list members. I had several people interested in the Safari to Tanzania. For various reasons they cancelled. I am now holding 4 reservations and some other committments that I need to fill very rapidly or lose a great deal of money. THEREFORE, I would be happy to offer a DEEP discount on the Safarri, my profit, for anyone who could go to Tanzania in the fall. October 15 is the date we have set. If you are interested, PLEASE, go to the web pages http://www.mineralsearch.com and check out the trips to Tanzania as well as others. Thanks, and sorry for intruding into the list with business, but I am desparate. Naturally, no one put any money down and I am holding the bag. If you want to go and save big time, let me know, Please. Thanks, Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 18 01:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sun Aug 18 00:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Oddball minerals & locations References: <183.cb200b4.2a8bfc5e@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c24687$209414a0$ed3d27c4@horstspc> Hi Dave, By his time, you have probably received some offers already. If not, I wouls probably be interested, if you could just give an indication of size of these specimens (because thast will determine SURFACE MAIL postage to South Africa) - micromounts, miniature or cabinet-sized? Kind regards, Horst Windisch----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Oddball minerals & locations > Hi list members, > I received these in a collection recently and wondered if anyone > on the lists, had an interest in them. I know some of the names > have now either been changed or are discredited, and some are > not spelled as we would in English. They are typed exactly as > they appear on the labels. These are not pretty specimens, but, > what I would describe as ore samples. I would like to sell them as > one lot, but if no one wants them all, then I will price them per each. > The price is $30.00, plus shipping. If anyone feels they are over priced > than please let me know. I'll even throw in a sample of Hafnium. > 1. Thomsonite & Pachnlite, Ivigtut, Greenland, > Madsen Collection, Denmark > 2. Mordenite,Aegerine, Nepheline, Kola, Chibira Tundra, Sovjet > Madsen Collection, Denmark > 3. Hagemannite, Siderite (pseudo) Pachnolite, Cryolite Mine, > Ivigtut, Greenland, Madsen Collection, Denmark > 4. Aegerine, Nepheline, Kola, Chibira Tundra, Sovjet, Madsen Collection > 5. Andalusite, Pinite (mica) Kozakov, Bohemia, CSSR > Madsen Collection > 6. Naujaksite, Tuperssuatssiait, Greenland > 7. Chalkosine, Chrysokol, Limonit, Vranice, bei Millin, CSSR > 8. Malachite, Azurite, Siderite, Lieberneise, Bohemia, CSSR > Madsen Collection > 9. Kascholong, Delesite, Kozakov, Bohemia, CSSR > Madsen Collection > 10. Ivigtite (yellow), Ivigtut, Greenland, Madsen Collection, Denmark > 11. Chalcosine, Vrancice, Pribram, CSSR > 12. Coralierite, Bau?ble, Norway > 13. Chabazite, Natrolite, Chibira Tundra, Kola, Sovjet > 14. Quartz, Chalcedony, Opal, Chvaletice, Bohemia, CSSR > 15. Rhodonite in Marcasite, Chvaletice, Bohemia, CSSR > 16. Arsenopyrite, Pyrite, Galena, Freiberg, Scacsen, Bast, Germany > 17. Pachnolite, Gearksutite, Ivigtut, Greenland, > Madsen Collection, Denmark > 18. Eisenkiesel, Schlottwitz, Sachsen, DDR, East Germany > 19. Walaite, Calcite, Praha, CSSR asphalt mineral > 20. Selenite, Sterboholy, Bohemia, CSSR > 21. Malachite, Azurite, Kojetice, Bohemia, CSSR > 22. Tourmaline on Felspar, Sweden > 23. Calcite on Spharosiderite, Duingen/Weserbergland, Germany > 24. Wavellite, Jivina, Bohemia, CSSR > 25. Malachite on Feldspar, New South Wales, Australia > Thanks for your time, > Dave Phillips > Sunset Fossils & Minerals > Morgantown, WV > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 18 03:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Aug 18 02:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Oddball minerals & locations Message-ID: <83.1f4ebf42.2a90c413@aol.com> Hello Horst, For some reason, this post was held up, on this list, until approval by the moderator. The collection was sold on another list a couple of days ago. My apologies for the mistake. Thanks, Dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 18 04:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Aug 18 03:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The passing of Sue Gehret BMS Message-ID: <76.20f27399.2a90ce61@aol.com> Thanks for letting us know. Sue was a major driving force in local rockhound circles and we will miss her greatly. Gene From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 18 08:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Aug 18 07:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tanzania Safari Problems References: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6EF@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> <3D5EAAFE.FB227D89@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003101c246c3$31d67320$461fbed8@powertech.net> Sorry to hear that. I learned long ago that you ALWAYS require at least a substantial depost to secure a reservation! Sure wish I could go! Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tanzania Safari Problems > Hi list members. > > I had several people interested in the Safari to Tanzania. For various > reasons they cancelled. I am now holding 4 reservations and some other > committments that I need to fill very rapidly or lose a great deal of > money. THEREFORE, I would be happy to offer a DEEP discount on the > Safarri, my profit, for anyone who could go to Tanzania in the fall. > October 15 is the date we have set. If you are interested, PLEASE, go > to the web pages > > > > http://www.mineralsearch.com > > > and check out the trips to Tanzania as well as others. > > Thanks, and sorry for intruding into the list with business, but I am > desparate. Naturally, no one put any money down and I am holding the > bag. If you want to go and save big time, let me know, Please. > > Thanks, > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 18 10:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Aug 18 09:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tanzania Safari Problems References: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6EF@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> <3D5EAAFE.FB227D89@earthlink.net> <003101c246c3$31d67320$461fbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <3D5FCD8C.F71C29DC@earthlink.net> Margaret: Correct you are. I think that when push came to shove, several people just didnot want to make the committment. They backed out for what ever reason. The deposits were about to be due. walt Ps, Where in Dixie, I mean Utah, just across the line in Utah??? Margaret Malm wrote: > Sorry to hear that. > I learned long ago that you ALWAYS require at least a substantial depost to > secure a reservation! > Sure wish I could go! > Margaret > kadok@infowest.com, > in Utah's colorful Dixie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:58 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Tanzania Safari Problems > > > Hi list members. > > > > I had several people interested in the Safari to Tanzania. For various > > reasons they cancelled. I am now holding 4 reservations and some other > > committments that I need to fill very rapidly or lose a great deal of > > money. THEREFORE, I would be happy to offer a DEEP discount on the > > Safarri, my profit, for anyone who could go to Tanzania in the fall. > > October 15 is the date we have set. If you are interested, PLEASE, go > > to the web pages > > > > > > > > http://www.mineralsearch.com > > > > > > and check out the trips to Tanzania as well as others. > > > > Thanks, and sorry for intruding into the list with business, but I am > > desparate. Naturally, no one put any money down and I am holding the > > bag. If you want to go and save big time, let me know, Please. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Walt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 05:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon Aug 19 04:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fossil Plants book References: <52A02724.3BC8DF75.02180873@aol.com> <3D5916F5.8AFEBA78@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D60DC2D.4090201@emory.edu> Have you had any takers yet? Anita Lawrence Dee wrote: >I have a copy of Tidwells 1st ed Common Fossil Plants of Western North >America, a fine book on collecting fossil plants, for $10.00 postpaid. >LD > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 09:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Mon Aug 19 08:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fossil Plants book References: <52A02724.3BC8DF75.02180873@aol.com> <3D5916F5.8AFEBA78@mindspring.com> <3D60DC2D.4090201@emory.edu> Message-ID: <3D610CE8.B29115A5@mindspring.com> Yes, but thanks for asking. I do have other books and publications, more technical geology, and can send a zip file list if you are interested. LD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 11:37:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Aug 19 10:37:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area Message-ID: <000801c247a6$f7d79840$602707d8@joe> I have a question for the group if you care to answered: I live in an area that has massive areas of basalt. My question is; why = are only certain areas of basalt mineral rich ? What is it that should = be looked for. Thanks ............Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 11:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Aug 19 10:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area References: <000801c247a6$f7d79840$602707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D612EAC.8B8DA618@earthlink.net> Many of the basalts in the northwest have vugs with minerals in them. Mostly zeolites, but they are there and collectible. Depends where you are. Walt clayandkip wrote: > I have a question for the group if you care to answered: > > I live in an area that has massive areas of basalt. My question is; why are only certain areas of basalt mineral rich ? What is it that should be looked for. > > Thanks ............Clay > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 11:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 19 10:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] polishing Message-ID: <18d.cae903b.2a92894a@aol.com> I asked and now I have found....At least part of the list that I was looking= =20 for...A rough polishing list and favorites. This information was gotten and=20 copied from an old HANDBOOK called Gems & Minerals, I got a looseleaf binder= =20 with all these OLD TRICKS and how to start in this wonderfull hobby...Very=20 interesting...Here is what I copied " " I am not sure but think it is by=20 Iva L Geisinger, Salinas, California...or at least some of the articles have= =20 this name on them. Hope that this will be of some help to SOMEONE, everyone. Have a great day..= . "GEMS & MINERALS" The GEM CUTTER'S HANDBOOK"=20 A gem is polished with a polishing compound on a buff. There is a wide=20 variety of compounds and buffs and each cutter has his favorite. Many stones= =20 polish equally well with several combinations. A few stones that present=20 polishing difficulties require certain techniques. Polishing Buffs: The felt buff has been a favorite for many years. A solid wheel of hard felt= =20 is most commonly used. Thin bard felt circles also are available for=20 cementing to metal or wooden discs. Some cutters make buffs from sheet felt=20 or old felt hats. This material will work well for stones of even texture,=20 but is not recommended for gems that undercut. Friction on felt generates=20 heat rapidly. Check frequently for overheating. Leather is a versatile buffing material that is both efficient and=20 economical. Some solid leather wheels have been used, but sheet leather is=20 usually employed. This material can be tied onto grooved discs, or leather=20 circles can be attached with Peel Em Off type of cement. The cement should b= e=20 applied to the smooth side of the leather. Most cutters believe the rough=20 side of the leather, holds the compound better. Leather also generates heat,= =20 but not as much as felt. Muslin buffs are made from several thick nesses of cloth that have been=20 stitched together with several rows of stitching. The buffs usually come in=20= =C2=BC=20 inch or 1 inch thickness., It is best to combine two or three thin buffs on=20 the shaft of the polishing arbor. Before using a muslin buff, slit one or tw= o=20 rows of stitching so that the edge of the bug will be loose., These buffs ar= e=20 good for soft stones and gems that are heat sensitive. Canvas is good for heat-sensitive stones because it develops very little=20 friction. It tends to wear out in a relatively short time, but replacement=20 cost is low. JOHN WILLHAMMER, discovered that heavy cotton velvet is good for PETOSKEY=20 STONE and other difficult to polish gems, The long nap of the velvet holds=20 the polishing compound well. Stainproof velvet will not work because it does= =20 not absorb the compound. The best material is the plush used for upholstery=20 or drapes. PELLON is a plastic material that has been used for some time in industrial=20 polishing., The circles come ready to apply with adhesive on one side. They=20 are attached to a metal or wooden disc by removing the backing paper and=20 pressing onto the disc.. A cork cushion can be used if some resiliency is=20 desired. PELLON is said to be good for polishing flat surfaces, stones that=20 undercut, and heat sensitive gems. It works very well on quartz gems. Wood, sheet cork, wool carpeting and various heavy fabrics are also used for= =20 buffs. If a material will hold the polishing compound, it may very well serv= e=20 as a buff. The best polisher for flat surfaces is a pitch lap.=20 POLISHING COMPOUNDS: Prepolishing Compounds Although not necessary, it is wise to prepolish the gem before taking it to=20 the polishing buff. To do this, some form of very mild abrasive is used.=20 Tripoli, diatomaceous earth. 1,000 or 1,200 silicon carbide grit, or a=20 cleaner such as Bon Ami, may be used as a prepolsihing compound. Tripoli and= =20 fine silicon carbide grit are best because the are graded so that there are=20 no large grains which could scratch a stone. Polisching Compounds; Tin oxide is a all-around favorite with gem cutters. It is used in=20 combination with all the various buffs to bring gems to a fine polish. The=20 cost of this compound is moderate, It can be used to polish agate, petrified= =20 wood, crystalline quartz gems, obsidian, jade and many other stones. Cerium Oxide is a polishing compound that is used extensively in the optical= =20 industry. Many cutters feel that this it does a better polishing job than Ti= n=20 Oxide. However it is more expensive than Tin. Cerium Oxide is favored for =20 many gems including all the quartz family minerals except those that=20 undercut. Levigated Alumina is Aluminum Oxide. It is quite inexpensive but does not=20 polish as rapidly or as well as other compounds. Because of its low cost, it= =20 is often used where large quantities of stones must be polished. Other forms of aluminum oxide are sold under trade names such as ruby powder= ,=20 sapphire powder, Diamantine, Ruby Dix, Damascus ruby powder, etc.. They vary= =20 depending on how well they are graded. Linde "A" also aluminum oxide, is synthetic corundum manufactured under=20 highly controlled conditions. Next to diamond it is the best polishing agent= =20 available. Unlike levigated alumina, it is carefully graded for uniformity o= f=20 grain size. It is comparatively expensive but a little goes a long way. Many= =20 cutters add it to tin oxide or cerium oxide. A popular mixture is on ounce o= f=20 Linde A to one pound of tin oxide, Linde A is excellent for polishing stones= =20 that undercut. Diamond Powder is the most efficient polishing compound but it is quite=20 expensive for cabochon polishing. It is used on leather buffs for=20 difficult-to-polish stones such as rhodnite. Several other compounds such as Barnesite, Zirconium dioxide, and rouge are=20 also used for polishing. Barnesite is a mixture of rare earth oxides, and is= =20 comparable to cerium oxide in quality. Zirconium dioxide is similar to ceriu= m=20 oxide.. Rouge (Iron Oxide) is a metal polish and is raley used for gems BUFF AND POSIHING COMPOUND COMBINATIONS A - Canvas E---Muslin 1-Cerium Oxide 4-Levigated=20 Aluminum B - Cork F - Pellon 2- Chrome Oxide 5-Linde=20 "A" C- Felt G- Velvet 3-Diamond 6-Tin=20 Oxide GEMSTONES RECOMMENDED VARIETIES & REMARKS Beryl D5,C1,C2 Emerald,=20 aquamarine, morganite, goshenite, etc. Calcite E6, G6 Mexican= =20 onyx, Travertine, etc..To speed polish add a few crystals of =20 =20= =20 Oxalic acid (poison) Chlorastrolite C1 =20 Greenstone Feldspar C1 =20 Moonstone, sunstone, labrodorite, amazonite, etc.=20 Garnet D5,D2,C1 Heat=20 sensitive-check frequently for overheating Goldstone C1, F1 Man made,= =20 heat sensitive use care in dopping and polishing Hematite E,D, or H 1,4, or 5 =20 Use any combination of buffs and compounds listed Howlite C6,D5 =20 Jadite C1,D5 Jade,= =20 Leather buffs (especially hard leather). Many cutters use pressure=20 =20= =20 To develop heat Jasper C1,D5 Variet= y=20 of Quartz, some jasper has areas of varying hardness, Leather is=20 =20= =20 Preferable and Linde A best for these stones. Lapis Lazuli Malachite D5,D2 Finish=20 polishing by hand with leather or weak solution of compound Neprhite D5,D2,E6,G6,H6 Jade, Leather=20 buffs most commonly used. Heavy pressure develop heat Obsidian C1 Heat=20 sensitive, use care in dopping and polishing Opal C1,G6,E6 Heat and= =20 cold sensitive, avoid overheating Psilomelane D5,D6 Quartz with=20 bands of Manganese. Petoskey Stone G6,A6 Calcareous=20 fossil material, Some oxalic acid speeds polish Quartz C1,D1,F1,H1 Amethyst,=20 citrine, rock crystal, agate, petrified wood etc=E2=80=A6 Rhodochrosite D5,D6,D3 =20 Rhodonite D5, D1 Seropentine D5, D6 Sodalite C1 Thomsonite C1 Tigereye D5, F1 Variety o= f=20 quartz, Contains fibers; polish across fibers to avoid pulling Tourmaline D5, D2 Turquoise D5, D6 Unakite Ci Varicite D5, C1, C6 Wonderstone D5, C1, C6 Heat sensitive Stones =20 For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 12:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Aug 19 11:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area References: <000801c247a6$f7d79840$602707d8@joe> <3D612EAC.8B8DA618@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D6134E3.1000606@is2.dal.ca> Clay, I know next to nothing about geology, but we have lots of basalts here in Nova Scotia so I might be able to answer your question. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Our cliffs show several basalt flows. Most of the mineralization is found near the top of a given flow. This is because the gas pockets moved to the top of the flow. Depending on what depth of the flow you are able to see in an outcrop, this affects whether or not minerals will be present. Zeolites are commonly found in basalts. We also have copper, magnetite, agates, amethyst. >> I have a question for the group if you care to answered: >> I live in an area that has massive areas of basalt. My question is; why are only certain areas of basalt mineral rich ? What is it that should be looked for. >> Thanks ............Clay > Happy Collecting, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 12:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Mon Aug 19 11:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area References: <000801c247a6$f7d79840$602707d8@joe> <3D612EAC.8B8DA618@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D613ADF.C2BAD4BE@mindspring.com> Gold has been mined from basalts in Nevada but is not usually a good host for it. LD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 14:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Mon Aug 19 13:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area In-Reply-To: <000801c247a6$f7d79840$602707d8@joe> Message-ID: Hi Clay, Most of the mineral goodies in basalts form by later hot water ("hydrothermal") fluids depositing minerals in the cooled basaltic lava. The fluids will percolate through the zones where the lava rock has a high permeability. Since basalt is normally a very impermeable rock, these zones are fairly localized. The permeable zones often form in flow tops, where gas bubbles have accumulated. The interconnected zones of gas bubbles that separate from cooling magma and rise toward the flow top before being trapped by the cooling lava may often later form mineral-rich zones. Also flow tops are often quite fractured, providing good channelways later for hot water. One only needs to watch a few minutes of video of erupting Hawaiian lava to see the thin skin crust form on the flow and then be fractured as the flow moves underneatrh it. When all is cooled off, the flow tops are still fractured and great for the movement of hydrothermal fluids. Another place where permeability is enhanced is along later fractures or faults that cut the basalts. They can be joints formed as the basalt contracts during cooling (well-seen in such places as Deveil's postpile in california and Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland). They may also be due to later faulting breaking across the flows. When these are mineralized, they make what are called fissure veins, and can occur anywhere within a lava flow. Both flow tops and fissures were utilized for, for example, the formation of the native copper deposits in northern Michigan. Good question! Best wishes - Bill Cordua >I have a question for the group if you care to answered: > >I live in an area that has massive areas of basalt. My question is; why >are only certain areas of basalt mineral rich ? What is it that should be >looked for. > >Thanks ............Clay > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 15:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Bokor) Date: Mon Aug 19 14:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area References: <000801c247a6$f7d79840$602707d8@joe> <3D612EAC.8B8DA618@earthlink.net> <3D6134E3.1000606@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <3D617113.79839F67@telus.net> Greetings: I'm not Clay - Sorry to but in! I anticipate the possibility of spending sometime in Bridgetown and vicinity the last week in September and early October, visiting my son. Could you please clue me in on some collecting sites within 60-100 Km of the place if any, and have you some names of rock shops in the general area? Thanks in advance Joe Bokor jbokor@telus.net (Cranbrook, B.C.) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 18:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Aug 19 17:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Message-ID: <002501c247e0$5f47c2a0$222707d8@joe> Hello everyone; I have done some research on a mineral that is attached to this mail but = I have not seen any thing as green as this green selenite..........is = this a hoax..................it is on sale on = ebay.....................Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 18:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Aug 19 17:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area Message-ID: <002e01c247e2$8ece7030$222707d8@joe> Thanks to everyone who answered my question on basalt.First off I live = very close to the columbia plateau.The basalt forms here are mostly = columnar.There are some pillow types but I have not found any of those = yet. As I understand it now..........is the surface area of ( top ) of the = columnar basalt the places to look for minerals ? Do I look for a place = where gas may have escaped?There are so many stress cracks on a column. = Not to mention how hard and heavy this stuff is. Incidentally I have found a LOT of snakes so my pry bar is getting = longer and longer. : ) thanks again.............Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 18:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Aug 19 17:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite References: <002501c247e0$5f47c2a0$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: <003301c247e2$baf5b100$222707d8@joe> oops no attachment.............someone like to show this to the group I'll send it to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayandkip" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Hello everyone; I have done some research on a mineral that is attached to this mail but I have not seen any thing as green as this green selenite..........is this a hoax..................it is on sale on ebay.....................Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 18:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Aug 19 17:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite References: <002501c247e0$5f47c2a0$222707d8@joe> <003301c247e2$baf5b100$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D61942F.BA589852@att.net> I think the list admin has the software set to filter attachments, since they aren't allowed on the list. You could always just post the link to eBay auction. As far as green selenite, there is selenite from Peru or Chile, I belive, that has atacamite inclusions. I have one of these, somewhere, and I can't remember the exact South American locality but the inclusions are definitely atacamite. Because of the way selenite forms, it is likely to have any number of inclusions. Frankly I'm surprised we don't see all sorts of things included in it! Don clayandkip wrote: > > oops no attachment.............someone like to show this to the group I'll > send it to you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 19:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Aug 19 18:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Message-ID: <005001c247e5$d19570f0$222707d8@joe> The ebay site is: 2132309766 .........................Super Green Selenite-new mine-super. My problem with this item is the color. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 19:39:27 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Aug 19 18:39:27 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area References: <002e01c247e2$8ece7030$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D619C81.168B9BEC@earthlink.net> A friend of mine up in the portland area goes to the Columbia gorge area. He finds lots of zeolites. DUnno about other stuff. Walt clayandkip wrote: > Thanks to everyone who answered my question on basalt.First off I live very close to the columbia plateau.The basalt forms here are mostly columnar.There are some pillow types but I have not found any of those yet. > > As I understand it now..........is the surface area of ( top ) of the columnar basalt the places to look for minerals ? Do I look for a place where gas may have escaped?There are so many stress cracks on a column. Not to mention how hard and heavy this stuff is. > > Incidentally I have found a LOT of snakes so my pry bar is getting longer and longer. : ) > > thanks again.............Clay > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 19:40:13 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Aug 19 18:40:13 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite References: <002501c247e0$5f47c2a0$222707d8@joe> <003301c247e2$baf5b100$222707d8@joe> <3D61942F.BA589852@att.net> Message-ID: <3D619CEC.31098ABD@earthlink.net> I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, etc. could do it. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 19:51:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 19 18:51:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Message-ID: <102.19e89e44.2a92fa59@aol.com> Hi Walt, I have some green Selenite. I bought it at one of the Franklin Mineral Shows. I was "told" it was from China, but I also read that it may have been altered by some means that I have forgotten now. It's a very pretty piece though! Jackie In a message dated 8/19/02 9:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, geologo@earthlink.net writes: > I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, > pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, > etc. > could do it. > > Walt --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 19:57:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Aug 19 18:57:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite References: <102.19e89e44.2a92fa59@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D61A1EF.181B2A3F@earthlink.net> I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I said, I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. That really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have not seen and hope to see one of these day. Know where it is from inChina? Thanks for sharing that. I will keep my eyes opened over there for the possibility. \ Take care. Walt CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > Hi Walt, I have some green Selenite. I bought it at one of the Franklin > Mineral Shows. I was "told" it was from China, but I also read that it may > have been altered by some means that I have forgotten now. It's a very > pretty piece though! > Jackie > > In a message dated 8/19/02 9:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, > > pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, > > etc. > > could do it. > > > > Walt > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 20:03:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Aug 19 19:03:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite References: <005001c247e5$d19570f0$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D61A360.338EBB51@att.net> Hmmmm. I can't tell if the photo has bad lighting or if the seller has used enhancements. I don't know that locality, either: SWAN HILL VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA. Unfortunately, the seller is long on exuberant superlaitives and short on useful description. You can always ask the seller a question! Two questions I would ask are these: 1) Do you know what the green coloration is, and 2) is that included, or a light coating? Assuming the coloration is genuine, it may be caused by chromium (there was a one-time find of bright green petrified wood in Arizona that was tinted my chromium) or whatever colors gaspeite, also found in Australia (I'm thinking it's nickel, but I may be wrong). Or maybe something else, but if that color is accurate, the hue looks too yellowish to be copper. Anyway, the short answer is that there is no reason it couldn't be genuine, but there is no guarantee that it is either. Time to ask the seller what's up. Good luck, Don clayandkip wrote: > > The ebay site is: > 2132309766 .........................Super Green Selenite-new mine-super. > > My problem with this item is the color. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 20:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 19 19:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] green selenite References: <102.19e89e44.2a92fa59@aol.com> <3D61A1EF.181B2A3F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D61A777.1DB@Tomaszewski.net> Walt, I have some gypsum from near Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., Kentucky that is pale green, with inclusion patches that are bright green micro crystals of selenite (thanks Alan!). Under a lens one of the inclusions even shows a 3/64" flake of native copper with bright green selenite microcrystals around it. I'm still trying to figure out how copper got mixed up with gypsum; exit of a hydrothermal vent into a lake/sea that dried up first? Suggestions are very welcome. Kreigh Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I said, > I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. That > really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have not > seen and hope to see one of these day. > > Know where it is from inChina? > > Thanks for sharing that. I will keep my eyes opened over there for the > possibility. > \ > Take care. > > Walt > > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Walt, I have some green Selenite. I bought it at one of the Franklin > > Mineral Shows. I was "told" it was from China, but I also read that it may > > have been altered by some means that I have forgotten now. It's a very > > pretty piece though! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 9:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, > > > pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, > > > etc. > > > could do it. > > > > > > Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 20:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Aug 19 19:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] green selenite References: <102.19e89e44.2a92fa59@aol.com> <3D61A1EF.181B2A3F@earthlink.net> <3D61A777.1DB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D61ABE4.6A33A04@earthlink.net> Kreigh Copper, native copper is usually not that common in hydrothermal vents. Can't think of anything, but copper sulfate breakingdown in reaction with calcium carbonate to form calcium sulfate and copper????? Could be?? it is just a SWAG, though. I just don't have any GREEN stuff. Lots of other colors, so green does not surprise me. Then, I am always surprised by nature. Walt Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Walt, > > I have some gypsum from near Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., Kentucky that is > pale green, with inclusion patches that are bright green micro crystals > of selenite (thanks Alan!). Under a lens one of the inclusions even > shows a 3/64" flake of native copper with bright green selenite > microcrystals around it. > > I'm still trying to figure out how copper got mixed up with gypsum; exit > of a hydrothermal vent into a lake/sea that dried up first? Suggestions > are very welcome. > > Kreigh > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I said, > > I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. That > > really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have not > > seen and hope to see one of these day. > > > > Know where it is from inChina? > > > > Thanks for sharing that. I will keep my eyes opened over there for the > > possibility. > > \ > > Take care. > > > > Walt > > > > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi Walt, I have some green Selenite. I bought it at one of the Franklin > > > Mineral Shows. I was "told" it was from China, but I also read that it may > > > have been altered by some means that I have forgotten now. It's a very > > > pretty piece though! > > > Jackie > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 9:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, > > > > pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, > > > > etc. > > > > could do it. > > > > > > > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 21:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 19 20:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] green selenite References: <102.19e89e44.2a92fa59@aol.com> <3D61A1EF.181B2A3F@earthlink.net> <3D61A777.1DB@Tomaszewski.net> <3D61ABE4.6A33A04@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D61B33C.328B@Tomaszewski.net> Walt, I was thinking of hydrothermals that went thru basalt, like in the Keweenaw Peninsula, that often produce copper. But I don't know the geology of the source local very well to understand what may be possible. I think it is the oddest association in my collection. Kreigh Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > Kreigh > > Copper, native copper is usually not that common in hydrothermal vents. Can't think > of anything, but copper sulfate breakingdown in reaction with calcium carbonate to > form calcium sulfate and copper????? Could be?? it is just a SWAG, though. > > I just don't have any GREEN stuff. Lots of other colors, so green does not surprise > me. Then, I am always surprised by nature. > > Walt > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Walt, > > > > I have some gypsum from near Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., Kentucky that is > > pale green, with inclusion patches that are bright green micro crystals > > of selenite (thanks Alan!). Under a lens one of the inclusions even > > shows a 3/64" flake of native copper with bright green selenite > > microcrystals around it. > > > > I'm still trying to figure out how copper got mixed up with gypsum; exit > > of a hydrothermal vent into a lake/sea that dried up first? Suggestions > > are very welcome. > > > > Kreigh > > > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > > > I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I said, > > > I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. That > > > really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have not > > > seen and hope to see one of these day. > > > > > > Know where it is from inChina? > > > > > > Thanks for sharing that. I will keep my eyes opened over there for the > > > possibility. > > > \ > > > Take care. > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Walt, I have some green Selenite. I bought it at one of the Franklin > > > > Mineral Shows. I was "told" it was from China, but I also read that it may > > > > have been altered by some means that I have forgotten now. It's a very > > > > pretty piece though! > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 9:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, > > > > > pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, > > > > > etc. > > > > > could do it. > > > > > > > > > > Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 21:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 19 20:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Message-ID: <95.21572f6e.2a9313cc@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/02 7:04:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > > (I'm thinking it's nickel, but I may be wrong). Hey you are right. Gaspeite is a nickle ore. A few years ago there was a story going around about sombody buying tons of it from a mine, someplace Down Under. If I remember correctly the mine was unable to process that kind of ore so it was a waste product. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 22:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Mon Aug 19 21:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite In-Reply-To: <3D61A360.338EBB51@att.net> Message-ID: <20020820040407.96097.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have seen several of the Swan Hill, location selenites in the past. I don't think most were green. I have also seen loads of the green colored material from Australia. Word is they are artificially colored. Personally I think you should find a piece like the one shown for less than half the price. Cheers, Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals --- Don H <morningstar@att.net> wrote: > > Hmmmm. I can't tell if the photo has bad lighting > or if the seller has > used enhancements. I don't know that locality, > either: SWAN HILL > VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA. Unfortunately, the seller is > long on exuberant > superlaitives and short on useful description. You > can always ask the > seller a question! Two questions I would ask are > these: 1) Do you know > what the green coloration is, and 2) is that > included, or a light > coating? > > Assuming the coloration is genuine, it may be caused > by chromium (there > was a one-time find of bright green petrified wood > in Arizona that was > tinted my chromium) or whatever colors gaspeite, > also found in Australia > (I'm thinking it's nickel, but I may be wrong). Or > maybe something > else, but if that color is accurate, the hue looks > too yellowish to be > copper. > > Anyway, the short answer is that there is no reason > it couldn't be > genuine, but there is no guarantee that it is > either. Time to ask the > seller what's up. > > Good luck, > > Don > > > clayandkip wrote: > > > > The ebay site is: > > 2132309766 .........................Super Green > Selenite-new mine-super. > > > > My problem with this item is the color. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 22:18:53 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Mon Aug 19 21:18:53 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite in atacamite In-Reply-To: <3D61942F.BA589852@att.net> Message-ID: <20020820041518.53361.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Don and all, The selenite with atacamite and paratacmite is from the Lily Mine in Peru. They debuted about 4-5 years ago. I have a couple of pictures posted at the following links. I took the pictures over a year ago for a web update I never found time for. If you like them they are available. http://emineralshow.com/images/atacamite_peru9a.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/atacamite_peru9b.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/atacamite_peru6b.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/atacamite_peru1b.jpg I have heard they dye the water where the Australian selenite is from to get the color in them. Regards, Stan www.emineralshow.com --- Don H wrote: > > I think the list admin has the software set to > filter attachments, since > they aren't allowed on the list. > > You could always just post the link to eBay auction. > > As far as green selenite, there is selenite from > Peru or Chile, I > belive, that has atacamite inclusions. I have one > of these, somewhere, > and I can't remember the exact South American > locality but the > inclusions are definitely atacamite. > > Because of the way selenite forms, it is likely to > have any number of > inclusions. Frankly I'm surprised we don't see all > sorts of things > included in it! > > Don > > > clayandkip wrote: > > > > oops no attachment.............someone like to > show this to the group I'll > > send it to you. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 19 22:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 19 21:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area In-Reply-To: <002e01c247e2$8ece7030$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: Clay , The explanations provided by others cover the "generalities" of your question about minerals occuring in basalts, however, they don't make the whole story. The biggest problem is that basalt, like most rocks typically are not mineralized. Mineralized rocks are the exception. To add minerals that don't "belong" in a rock (that is, they aren't necessary for its formation and don't typically occur in that type of rock) one needs a mineralizing fluid and either openings of some sort in which the minerals can form or the fluids have the capability of altering/dissolving the rock and making openings to deposit the minerals. As mentioned in other posts, typically in basalts (and other lavas) the openings are generally the brecciated or vesicular flow top (or bottom). In acuality though, lavas often have vesicles throughout the flow. Zeolites mostly result from hydrothermal action of some type, commonly from or during the alteration of the basalt long after it cooled. This is why you live in the wrong spot to find zeolites--most of the Columbia River basalts are fresh, not altered. Zeolites in the Columbia River basalts are almost non existant in Washington. They are more common in Oregon because the oldest formation, the Picture Gorge member of the CR basalts (the one way down on the bottom) is exposed in eastern Oregon. It is this series of basalt flows that has altered and been mineralized with zeolites at Mitchell, Spray, Ritter, etc. In Washington, this member is only exposed at one site where I found zeolites on the north side of the Snake River about 5 miles downstream from Red Wolf Crossing Bridge (Clarkston). There are exceptions to my statement about the basalts needing time to alter and become mineralized with zeolites. Some flows apparently contain enough fluids that as they cool they cause their own alteration and zeolitization. This can also be caused by the addition of water when the lava flows onto a wet environment (surface with swamps, lakes and streams). Some lava flows around Boise, Idaho are quite young, yet they contain zeolites. The basalts and andesites of Western Oregon and Washington that contain zeolites are mostly Eocene age and had the time and conditions during millions of years of burial under sediments to alter and become mineralized with zeolites. So, I'm sorry, if you are sitting next to or in the Columbia River basalts, you aren't going to find many (or any?) zeolites unless you are where the oldest formation is exposed. You may find agate, petrified wood, siderite (as spheres, bowties and rhombs) and calcite in some areas. Look for any basalt formation with holes--either vesicles in massive flows or columns, brecciated or vesicular flow tops or bottoms or vesicles in pillow basalts or the spaces between pillows. In response to a couple posts, native copper is fairly common in basalts with zeolites in Idaho, Washington and Oregon. Typically it is micro to small crystalline wires projecting off the surface of a vesicle, often included in the overlying zeolite crystals. It's a thrill to look into a water clear analcime crystal and see a copper wire! Regards, Lanny (also sitting on Coumbia River basalt (ok sitting on a chair on concrete on glacial till sitting on basalt, if one wants complete accuracy)) >Thanks to everyone who answered my question on basalt.First off I live >very close to the columbia plateau.The basalt forms here are mostly >columnar.There are some pillow types but I have not found any of those yet. > >As I understand it now..........is the surface area of ( top ) of the >columnar basalt the places to look for minerals ? Do I look for a place >where gas may have escaped?There are so many stress cracks on a column. >Not to mention how hard and heavy this stuff is. > >Incidentally I have found a LOT of snakes so my pry bar is getting longer >and longer. : ) > >thanks again.............Clay > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 00:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Aug 19 23:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c247e2$8ece7030$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020819201904.02ea81d0@mail.aloha.net> Lanny, Thanks for your detailed explanation. As former residents of basaltic eastern Washington, and presently of very new basalt on the Big Island of Hawaii (getting bigger as we speak), Bill and I especially appreciate your insights. They bring two thoughts to mind: 1: We have specimens of calcite (white crystals, some of which fluoresce and phosphoresce white under both LW and SW UV) that have been found fairly recently in caves on Kauai, Oahu, and the Big Island (for those not familiar with Hawaii, those islands are listed north to south, and thus older to younger). We've had only a college course and some self-study of geology, but were very surprised that calcite would occur in Hawaii. Is our surprise unwarranted? 2: I've looked at a geological map of Washington State---where colors represent different forms---and while the state is mostly one color for basalt, the San Juan Islands in northern Puget Sound have a patchwork of lots of different colors. What is special about that small area? Aloha, Kitty At 09:53 PM 8/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Clay , > >The explanations provided by others cover the "generalities" of your >question about minerals occuring in basalts, however, they don't make the >whole story. The biggest problem is that basalt, like most rocks typically >are not mineralized. Mineralized rocks are the exception. To add minerals >that don't "belong" in a rock (that is, they aren't necessary for its >formation and don't typically occur in that type of rock) one needs a >mineralizing fluid and either openings of some sort in which the minerals >can form or the fluids have the capability of altering/dissolving the rock >and making openings to deposit the minerals. > >As mentioned in other posts, typically in basalts (and other lavas) the >openings are generally the brecciated or vesicular flow top (or bottom). In >acuality though, lavas often have vesicles throughout the flow. Zeolites >mostly result from hydrothermal action of some type, commonly from or >during the alteration of the basalt long after it cooled. This is why you >live in the wrong spot to find zeolites--most of the Columbia River basalts >are fresh, not altered. Zeolites in the Columbia River basalts are almost >non existant in Washington. They are more common in Oregon because the >oldest formation, the Picture Gorge member of the CR basalts (the one way >down on the bottom) is exposed in eastern Oregon. It is this series of >basalt flows that has altered and been mineralized with zeolites at >Mitchell, Spray, Ritter, etc. > >In Washington, this member is only exposed at one site where I found >zeolites on the north side of the Snake River about 5 miles downstream >from Red Wolf Crossing Bridge (Clarkston). > >There are exceptions to my statement about the basalts needing time to >alter and become mineralized with zeolites. Some flows apparently contain >enough fluids that as they cool they cause their own alteration and >zeolitization. This can also be caused by the addition of water when the >lava flows onto a wet environment (surface with swamps, lakes and streams). >Some lava flows around Boise, Idaho are quite young, yet they contain >zeolites. > >The basalts and andesites of Western Oregon and Washington that contain >zeolites are mostly Eocene age and had the time and conditions during >millions of years of burial under sediments to alter and become mineralized >with zeolites. > >So, I'm sorry, if you are sitting next to or in the Columbia River basalts, >you aren't going to find many (or any?) zeolites unless you are where the >oldest formation is exposed. You may find agate, petrified wood, siderite >(as spheres, bowties and rhombs) and calcite in some areas. Look for any >basalt formation with holes--either vesicles in massive flows or columns, >brecciated or vesicular flow tops or bottoms or vesicles in pillow basalts >or the spaces between pillows. > >In response to a couple posts, native copper is fairly common in basalts >with zeolites in Idaho, Washington and Oregon. Typically it is micro to >small crystalline wires projecting off the surface of a vesicle, often >included in the overlying zeolite crystals. It's a thrill to look into a >water clear analcime crystal and see a copper wire! > >Regards, > >Lanny >(also sitting on Coumbia River basalt (ok sitting on a chair on concrete on >glacial till sitting on basalt, if one wants complete accuracy)) > > > >Thanks to everyone who answered my question on basalt.First off I live > >very close to the columbia plateau.The basalt forms here are mostly > >columnar.There are some pillow types but I have not found any of those yet. > > > >As I understand it now..........is the surface area of ( top ) of the > >columnar basalt the places to look for minerals ? Do I look for a place > >where gas may have escaped?There are so many stress cracks on a column. > >Not to mention how hard and heavy this stuff is. > > > >Incidentally I have found a LOT of snakes so my pry bar is getting longer > >and longer. : ) > > > >thanks again.............Clay > > > > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 05:36:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 04:36:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area Message-ID: <20020820113524.NPCF3050.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I know a micromounter, Frank Leans, who travels regularly to Hawaii and collects all manner of zeolites and carbonates from basaltic vesicles. This does surprise a lot of people, and I give him credit for spreading the word that there is some good, albeit limited, collecting in Hawaii. I mean "limited" because of the total number of species you're likely to find, or not find. I'm sure there are macro minerals too, and I have seen enough forsterite "green sand" (a.k.a. peridot), similar to the basalt-bomb green grains from the San Carlos Apache nation in AZ, to think there might be collectible peridot/olivine/forsterite/fayalite crystals if one looks hard enough. Or maybe not. As far as that locality where he collects, I'll look it up for you. It's one of those funny names like "Kilau'au-li-lai". In similar fashion, Dr. Phil Betancourt has done excellent work collecting micros from the basalts in Iceland, and you know Iceland has a similar genesis to Hawaii. He has also shown photos of some very large calcites and zeolites in a museum; he implied that these are rare there, however, and these days the brave collector is likely limited to the micro material. There are also active geysers in Iceland, including at Geysir (which is where geysers get their name, "geyser" being merely an Anglicized spelling of the Icelandic word), and I'd imagine you could collect some nice sulfur minerals from the lips of the vents but I don't know what restrictions there are. In any case, I'd love to go there and obtain all sorts of lava samples, but I gather that much of the Hawaiian islands are restricted in one form or another. Don > 1: We have specimens of calcite (white crystals, some of which fluoresce > and phosphoresce white under both LW and SW UV) that have been found fairly > recently in caves on Kauai, Oahu, and the Big Island (for those not > familiar with Hawaii, those islands are listed north to south, and thus > older to younger). We've had only a college course and some self-study of > geology, but were very surprised that calcite would occur in Hawaii. Is > our surprise unwarranted? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 05:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (artweinle) Date: Tue Aug 20 04:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite In-Reply-To: <3D61942F.BA589852@att.net> Message-ID: RE: Green Selenite I have a sample of very fragile, but distinctly green selenite crystals in radiating masses from Whyalla, South Australia. The dealer said it was likely due to chromium (Cr) inclusions. I've not seen cleavage fragments of green selenite. Art artweinle@comcast.net ====================== on 8/19/02 8:58 PM, Don H at morningstar@att.net wrote: > > I think the list admin has the software set to filter attachments, since > they aren't allowed on the list. > > You could always just post the link to eBay auction. > > As far as green selenite, there is selenite from Peru or Chile, I > belive, that has atacamite inclusions. I have one of these, somewhere, > and I can't remember the exact South American locality but the > inclusions are definitely atacamite. > > Because of the way selenite forms, it is likely to have any number of > inclusions. Frankly I'm surprised we don't see all sorts of things > included in it! > > Don > > > clayandkip wrote: >> >> oops no attachment.............someone like to show this to the group I'll >> send it to you. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 06:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 20 05:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] green selenite References: <102.19e89e44.2a92fa59@aol.com> <3D61A1EF.181B2A3F@earthlink.net> <3D61A777.1DB@Tomaszewski.net> <3D61ABE4.6A33A04@earthlink.net> <3D61B33C.328B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D623AD4.B877864C@earthlink.net> Kreigh, Yes, that is an odd and interesting piece. I don't know abou the geology locally either. Good on ya for the specimen though. Walt Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Walt, > > I was thinking of hydrothermals that went thru basalt, like in the > Keweenaw Peninsula, that often produce copper. But I don't know the > geology of the source local very well to understand what may be > possible. I think it is the oddest association in my collection. > > Kreigh > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > Kreigh > > > > Copper, native copper is usually not that common in hydrothermal vents. Can't think > > of anything, but copper sulfate breakingdown in reaction with calcium carbonate to > > form calcium sulfate and copper????? Could be?? it is just a SWAG, though. > > > > I just don't have any GREEN stuff. Lots of other colors, so green does not surprise > > me. Then, I am always surprised by nature. > > > > Walt > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > > Walt, > > > > > > I have some gypsum from near Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., Kentucky that is > > > pale green, with inclusion patches that are bright green micro crystals > > > of selenite (thanks Alan!). Under a lens one of the inclusions even > > > shows a 3/64" flake of native copper with bright green selenite > > > microcrystals around it. > > > > > > I'm still trying to figure out how copper got mixed up with gypsum; exit > > > of a hydrothermal vent into a lake/sea that dried up first? Suggestions > > > are very welcome. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > > > > > I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I said, > > > > I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. That > > > > really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have not > > > > seen and hope to see one of these day. > > > > > > > > Know where it is from inChina? > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing that. I will keep my eyes opened over there for the > > > > possibility. > > > > \ > > > > Take care. > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Walt, I have some green Selenite. I bought it at one of the Franklin > > > > > Mineral Shows. I was "told" it was from China, but I also read that it may > > > > > have been altered by some means that I have forgotten now. It's a very > > > > > pretty piece though! > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 9:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen brown, selenite, banded selenite, black selenite, white, clear, > > > > > > pink, but no green. WOuldn't think that was impossible. Copper minerals, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > could do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 09:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 08:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans Message-ID: <129.161fa56e.2a93b3d0@aol.com> Walt..just keep saying "she's old" "she's old". Mea culpa!! I DO have green selenite but it's from Poland, I also have green zincite from China. I got them mixed up! If anyone wants a picture of the green selenite, email me offlist and I'll take a digital picture of my speciman and send it off to you. Sorry Walt!!! Jackie In a message dated 8/19/02 9:58:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, geologo@earthlink.net writes: > I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I > said, > I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. > That > really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have > not > seen and hope to see one of these day. > > Know where it is from inChina? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 10:08:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 20 09:08:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans References: <129.161fa56e.2a93b3d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D626957.9BB60D72@earthlink.net> I have hydrozincite from china with celsetite and some with fluorite which is blue. Not any of the selenite. Interesting. Where is the selenite from in Poland? Walt CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > Walt..just keep saying "she's old" "she's old". Mea culpa!! I DO have green > selenite but it's from Poland, I also have green zincite from China. I got > them mixed up! > If anyone wants a picture of the green selenite, email me offlist and I'll > take a digital picture of my speciman and send it off to you. > Sorry Walt!!! Jackie > > In a message dated 8/19/02 9:58:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > I have some lovely green aragonite from China, but no green selenite. As I > > said, > > I have seen all sorts of colors including red and orange, but not green. > > That > > really does not mean it is impossible. There are myriads of things I have > > not > > seen and hope to see one of these day. > > > > Know where it is from inChina? > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 10:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 09:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans Message-ID: <2b.2bfb715c.2a93c499@aol.com> Walt..it's "says" Krakow! I thought it was nice..the price wasn't bad..so I bought it. Jackie In a message dated 8/20/02 12:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, geologo@earthlink.net writes: > I have hydrozincite from china with celsetite and some with fluorite which > is > blue. Not any of the selenite. Interesting. Where is the selenite from in > Poland? > > Walt --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 11:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 10:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020819201904.02ea81d0@mail.aloha.net> References: <002e01c247e2$8ece7030$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: Hi Kitty, Calcite in volcanic rocks, even young ones is common. Calcite forms easily at low temperatures, so if it doesn't form related to the cooling stages of the lavas, it still may form by surface conditions (surface waters leaching Ca from one area and depositing it in another). As it turns out, the islands have a fair bit of calcite, and even cave formations. Eric De Carlo and Ed Sawada wrote and article for the Mineral News on the "Karst Deposits in Fossil Back Reef and Aeolian Dune Environements..." which are best developed on O'ahu and Kauai. It seems that the storms break up the coral reefs and deposit the carbonate fragments on the beaches. Overtime these become significant deposits, then due to fluctuations in sea level over millions of years, a karst environment is formed. The carbonate rock is quarried, and on occasion, cavities or caves with calcite and aragonite crystals or "cave formations" are found (and mined and destroyed or occasionally collected). This article was specifically describing the recovery of specimens from the Laie Quarry, Laie, O'ahu, Hawai'i (using the Hawaiian spelling. The article also mentions other minerals in the basalts of the islands (typically not specific locations): olivine and augite crystals in the lavas, quartz and pyrite crystals of hydrothermal origin in a blue rock quarry in the remains of the caldera of the Koolau volcano on O'hau, zeolites "throughout the high islands" and native sulfur crystals at fumaroles of Kilauea Volcano (no collecting in the park!). For your interest (and others on the list); I have put this issue of MN back up on the Mineral News online web site, you can see it with the following url, and use the following login and password: login: just password: visiting http://www.mineralnews.com/MNmembers/MN17-5.html While there, you can also access the last two issues, and actually about the last six issues by changing the last part of the url to the volume and number for each issue (latest is 18-7, until tomorrow when it becomes 18-8). The temporary login and password will be usable until Sunday. Of course you can also get access by going to www.mineralnews.com and following the links to Mineral News online. As to Washington State and its geology, I would have hardly called it "one color" representing the CR basalts. I'm guessing that the map you refer to is of a small scale and thus the rocks are lumped together by either ages or types. Seems to me the basalts cover only about the SE 1/3 of the state. The NE part is a mix of Paleozoic and Mesozoic sedimentary and metamorphic rocks with Mesozoic igneous rocks. The northern Cascades are a mix of Paleozoic and Mesozoic intrusive, sedimentary and metamorphic rocks with Tertiary igneous rocks. The southern Cascades are a mix of Tertiary and Quaternary igneous rocks. The coastal lowlands are mostly Tertiary igneous and sedimentary rocks. The Peninsula (dominated by Olympic Mountains) are Mesozoic and Tertiary sediments surrounded by Tertiary sediments and igneous rocks. The San Juan Islands reflect much the same geology as the western part of the northern Cascades and coastal area between the two: Paleozoic and Mesozoic sediments and Paleozoic igneous rocks dominate with a Quaternary till cover over part. All the areas showing a mix also reflect various stages of igneous activity, submersion by ancient seas, various metamorphic stages, folding and faulting and several stages of mountain building. The geology of all but the CR basalt area reflects a complex geologic history. Under the basalt, it is probably also rather complex, just out of sight. So, nothing special about the San Juans (except the geography/location/climate). Regards, Lanny >Lanny, > >Thanks for your detailed explanation. As former residents of basaltic >eastern Washington, and presently of very new basalt on the Big Island of >Hawaii (getting bigger as we speak), Bill and I especially appreciate your >insights. They bring two thoughts to mind: > >1: We have specimens of calcite (white crystals, some of which fluoresce >and phosphoresce white under both LW and SW UV) that have been found fairly >recently in caves on Kauai, Oahu, and the Big Island (for those not >familiar with Hawaii, those islands are listed north to south, and thus >older to younger). We've had only a college course and some self-study of >geology, but were very surprised that calcite would occur in Hawaii. Is >our surprise unwarranted? > >2: I've looked at a geological map of Washington State---where colors >represent different forms---and while the state is mostly one color for >basalt, the San Juan Islands in northern Puget Sound have a patchwork of >lots of different colors. What is special about that small area? > >Aloha, Kitty > > >At 09:53 PM 8/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >>Clay , >> >>The explanations provided by others cover the "generalities" of your >>question about minerals occuring in basalts, however, they don't make the >>whole story. The biggest problem is that basalt, like most rocks typically >>are not mineralized. Mineralized rocks are the exception. To add minerals >>that don't "belong" in a rock (that is, they aren't necessary for its >>formation and don't typically occur in that type of rock) one needs a >>mineralizing fluid and either openings of some sort in which the minerals >>can form or the fluids have the capability of altering/dissolving the rock >>and making openings to deposit the minerals. >> >>As mentioned in other posts, typically in basalts (and other lavas) the >>openings are generally the brecciated or vesicular flow top (or bottom). In >>acuality though, lavas often have vesicles throughout the flow. Zeolites >>mostly result from hydrothermal action of some type, commonly from or >>during the alteration of the basalt long after it cooled. This is why you >>live in the wrong spot to find zeolites--most of the Columbia River basalts >>are fresh, not altered. Zeolites in the Columbia River basalts are almost >>non existant in Washington. They are more common in Oregon because the >>oldest formation, the Picture Gorge member of the CR basalts (the one way >>down on the bottom) is exposed in eastern Oregon. It is this series of >>basalt flows that has altered and been mineralized with zeolites at >>Mitchell, Spray, Ritter, etc. >> >>In Washington, this member is only exposed at one site where I found >>zeolites on the north side of the Snake River about 5 miles downstream >>from Red Wolf Crossing Bridge (Clarkston). >> >>There are exceptions to my statement about the basalts needing time to >>alter and become mineralized with zeolites. Some flows apparently contain >>enough fluids that as they cool they cause their own alteration and >>zeolitization. This can also be caused by the addition of water when the >>lava flows onto a wet environment (surface with swamps, lakes and streams). >>Some lava flows around Boise, Idaho are quite young, yet they contain >>zeolites. >> >>The basalts and andesites of Western Oregon and Washington that contain >>zeolites are mostly Eocene age and had the time and conditions during >>millions of years of burial under sediments to alter and become mineralized >>with zeolites. >> >>So, I'm sorry, if you are sitting next to or in the Columbia River basalts, >>you aren't going to find many (or any?) zeolites unless you are where the >>oldest formation is exposed. You may find agate, petrified wood, siderite >>(as spheres, bowties and rhombs) and calcite in some areas. Look for any >>basalt formation with holes--either vesicles in massive flows or columns, >>brecciated or vesicular flow tops or bottoms or vesicles in pillow basalts >>or the spaces between pillows. >> >>In response to a couple posts, native copper is fairly common in basalts >>with zeolites in Idaho, Washington and Oregon. Typically it is micro to >>small crystalline wires projecting off the surface of a vesicle, often >>included in the overlying zeolite crystals. It's a thrill to look into a >>water clear analcime crystal and see a copper wire! >> >>Regards, >> >>Lanny >>(also sitting on Coumbia River basalt (ok sitting on a chair on concrete on >>glacial till sitting on basalt, if one wants complete accuracy)) >> >> >> >Thanks to everyone who answered my question on basalt.First off I live >> >very close to the columbia plateau.The basalt forms here are mostly >> >columnar.There are some pillow types but I have not found any of those yet. >> > >> >As I understand it now..........is the surface area of ( top ) of the >> >columnar basalt the places to look for minerals ? Do I look for a place >> >where gas may have escaped?There are so many stress cracks on a column. >> >Not to mention how hard and heavy this stuff is. >> > >> >Incidentally I have found a LOT of snakes so my pry bar is getting longer >> >and longer. : ) >> > >> >thanks again.............Clay >> > >> > >> >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com >> Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing >> Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and >> mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index >> and The Mineral Database >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 13:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Tue Aug 20 12:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area In-Reply-To: <002e01c247e2$8ece7030$222707d8@joe> Message-ID: Clay, go for the flow tops. Also spaces between pillows in pillow lavas may also be mineralizaed.should have mentioned that! And hit those snakes with that pry bar. - Bill C. >Thanks to everyone who answered my question on basalt.First off I live >very close to the columbia plateau.The basalt forms here are mostly >columnar.There are some pillow types but I have not found any of those yet. > >As I understand it now..........is the surface area of ( top ) of the >columnar basalt the places to look for minerals ? Do I look for a place >where gas may have escaped?There are so many stress cracks on a column. >Not to mention how hard and heavy this stuff is. > >Incidentally I have found a LOT of snakes so my pry bar is getting longer >and longer. : ) > >thanks again.............Clay > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 14:16:33 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 13:16:33 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans Message-ID: <20020820201455.USWS23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Jackie dear, are you absolutely sure the green zincite isn't from Poland? There was a glut of lustrous, elongated, multicolored zincite from Poland on the market recently, supposedly from the inside of a smokestack(s) that was (were) being demolished. Beautiful, but anthropogenic. Maybe you got the labels swtiched? Don P.S. If you want, bring it to the next Franklin show. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 14:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 13:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans Message-ID: <74.21a5ac09.2a93ffba@aol.com> Hi Don.. I have NO idea why I said or thought it was China. I'm sure I again had it confused with another mineral. I wasn't feeling that great earlier today..and it could be I just wasn't thinking. I did go over and check the green zincite label (which I should have done right away) and you are correct! I apologize for another mis-statement on my part. I will never ever claim to know what you guys know..and that is quite obvious!! (to one and all) LOL!!! Ok..so..I have green zincite and green selenite, BOTH from Poland..and on that note..I'll slink off to my corner again!! :) Thanks Don.. Jackie In a message dated 8/20/02 4:17:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > Jackie dear, > > are you absolutely sure the green zincite isn't from > Poland? There was a glut of lustrous, elongated, > multicolored zincite from Poland on the market recently, > supposedly from the inside of a smokestack(s) that was > (were) being demolished. Beautiful, but anthropogenic. > Maybe you got the labels swtiched? > > Don > > P.S. If you want, bring it to the next Franklin show. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 15:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 20 14:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans References: <74.21a5ac09.2a93ffba@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D62B21E.9FE9309B@att.net> > I will never ever claim to know what you guys know..and that is quite > obvious!! Don't ever say that; I know almost nothing. I just happen to have seen this material when it came on the market, and knowing that zincite is a rare mineral that should never occur in that form naturally, I investigated. I was appalled at the prices too. I tend to remember things like that, and a friend of mine has a huge one in his living room. You can know whatever you want to know. Read, go to shows and symposia, use the list, hang out with other people who have a proven track record of knowing what they're talking about, and avoid anyone who will sight-ID every non-descript mineral in view as some rare arcane species of which there are actually only five pieces in the world. Don't worry about it, just enjoy your collection in the way you want to enjoy it. The only real mistake you can make is not having fun with this. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 16:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 15:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans Message-ID: <191.bd6bf00.2a941751@aol.com> Thank you for the kind and very supportive words Don! I guess, what I mean was crystal identification for one thing, and yes even mineral identification. I've learned a lot since my first days of collecting, but I am still an amateur in all respects. I self taught myself via mineral books much of what I do know at this point, but I have a long way to go. I pretty much buy minerals because I like the look/color etc. of them. I do have a very nice collection so far! :) And god willing I'll have more time to learn about all the aspects or minerals! Of course..the first thing I "should" learn is how to read labels, ya think? LOL Ahhhhh..it was one of those mornings..good excuse anyway. I actually have two of those zincite crystals, one is a brownish shade, the other the green. I bought them together I believe from a dealer at the Franklin show. When you mentioned the smokestack, I am almost sure it rang a bell somewhere in the back of my mind, but I could be wrong. I wish I could remember exactly what he told me. I do think he told me they were rare! < shrug> Doesn't much matter to me..the money is gone and I do enjoy them, so I don't feel bad at all!!! Thanks again for your kind words and encouragement! Jackie In a message dated 8/20/02 5:19:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > Don't ever say that; I know almost nothing. I just happen to have seen > this material when it came on the market, and knowing that zincite is a > rare mineral that should never occur in that form naturally, I > investigated. I was appalled at the prices too. I tend to remember > things like that, and a friend of mine has a huge one in his living > room. > > You can know whatever you want to know. Read, go to shows and symposia, > use the list, hang out with other people who have a proven track record > of knowing what they're talking about, and avoid anyone who will > sight-ID every non-descript mineral in view as some rare arcane species > of which there are actually only five pieces in the world. Don't worry > about it, just enjoy your collection in the way you want to enjoy it. > The only real mistake you can make is not having fun with this. > > Don --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 16:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 15:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite Message-ID: Don..can you explain more about what you said about it not ever being in that form? And also, is it Zincite? Or..would it be technically, man-made? Thank you... Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 16:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 20 15:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite References: Message-ID: <3D62C830.7D98CF12@att.net> The most prominent locality for zincite is, of course, the Franklin/Sterling Hill district. It is often massive, but in crystal form, it can take several habits which do not resemble the size and shape of the Polish material at all. Here is some good reading on it. Please do read it; it is short, and you can skim over the more technical material and enjoy the textual descriptions and photos: http://simplethinking.com/dunn/ch22/zincite.stm I misspoke earlier (see???). It may not be a rare mineral in general, but good, well-defined crystals of visible size are quite rare and fetch handsome prices. There are a lot of matrix pieces on the market being sold as "crystals," "euhedral crystals," or "partial crystals" that are really cleavage faces or parting planes, and thus are highly bogus. The most prized form of the crystal is the hexagonal base with the pyramidal termination (the more technical term, and a B&W photo, appear in the link above). I have seen one such thumbnail freestanding crystal in my life, in the back room of the Franklin Mineral Museum. It was glorious, a mathematical perfection created by nature. Yours is man-made, and it is zincite. According to the IMA--and I am saying this from memory because I honestly don't feel like finding the paper--minerals that have a natural occurence, even though they may also be produced anthropogenically (lay that word on your husband), are indeed minerals. The article goes on to describe the subtle differences between the two, like slag minerals, mine fire minerals, post-mining oxidation minerals . . . yuck. Anway, there is no doubt whatsoever that zincite is a mineral species. You happen to have a human-caused occurrence of it, something that is none the less beautiful and amazing and rare in its own right. Now I'd like to interest you in the gypsum and chalcanthite I created in class last month . . . not to mention the little silver and copper trees I precipitated out of solution . . . Don CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > Don..can you explain more about what you said about it not ever being in that > form? And also, is it Zincite? Or..would it be technically, man-made? > Thank you... Jackie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 18:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Tue Aug 20 17:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle area collecting Message-ID: Folks: Can anyone suggest collecting areas within a few hours of Seattle, Washington? I'm interested in zeolites, pegmatites, other crystalline minerals (not agate or fossils). Paul Gilmore Andover, MA _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 18:30:16 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Tue Aug 20 17:30:16 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) Message-ID: Hi everyone, Does anyone have a contact (email or phone no.) for Chris Johnston? Last contact I had he was in Namibia operating a tourmaline mine... Cheers & thanks HansDurstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 19:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 20 18:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite References: <3D62C830.7D98CF12@att.net> Message-ID: <3D62E771.26294E48@earthlink.net> \We find zincite in the slag at a mine in Mexico. Sierra Mojada has really pure zinc oxide. They roast it to send to Georgia for fertilizer. It is massive, fine grained, and almost naturally a cosmetic grade. It is roasted and if some of it get a little too hot, there are fine golden hairlike crystals which form in vugs in the slag. Nothing as spectacular as the Furnace flue stuff from Europe. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 19:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Tue Aug 20 18:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Basalt and minerals In-Reply-To: <20020820004501.16724.40339.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Clay, I live in New Jersey where basalt is quarried as "Traprock" where the Watchung basalts is mineralized with some spectacular occurrences of zeolites and other secondary minerals. Paterson, NJ is well known. Secondary mineralization is not evenly distributed throughout the basalts (there were multiple outflows) and tends to be highly localized within specific structures and influenced by the chemistry, particularly the volatiles, or the depositional environment. The massive and columnar basalt are usually poor in mineralization. Subaqueous flow lobes, gas pockets on top of the lave flow, and pillow lava seem to be richer in vugs and mineralization. Hydrothermal activity, younger deposits on top of the basalt, igneous crystallization, contact metasomatism are some of the processes that can provide "breeding ground" for minerals, or ... can destroy existing mineralization. Your mineralized zone of the basalt may have weathered or eroded away by glacial or other geologic activity. Johan Maertens mineral.maertens@att.net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 19:37:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Aug 20 18:37:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820153137.00a8c400@mail.aloha.net> Aloha all, I have two specimens of minium from Broken Hill. I know minium is lead oxide, Pb3O4. The label for one piece says "red lead," which makes sense to me. I got the other piece from Milton Lavers, and he told me that minium was created when galena burns in a mine fire. Can that be? Galena is lead sulfide, PbS, I believe. I searched minium on the Internet and saw no reference to galena or how minium is formed. Maybe I gave up too soon. Can anybody shed some light here? Thanks, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 19:43:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 20 18:43:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820153137.00a8c400@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D62F055.6D1E0419@att.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > I have two specimens of minium from Broken Hill. I know minium is lead > oxide, Pb3O4. The label for one piece says "red lead," which makes sense to > me. I got the other piece from Milton Lavers, and he told me that minium > was created when galena burns in a mine fire. Can that be? Galena is lead > sulfide, PbS, I believe. I searched minium on the Internet and saw no > reference to galena or how minium is formed. Maybe I gave up too > soon. Can anybody shed some light here? This page tends to agree with your friend: http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/oxides/minium/minium.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 19:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Aug 20 18:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle area collecting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My best suggestion for somebody from out of state, with a limited amount of time, would be to to hook up with Bob Jackson. He runs both a fossil amber tour, and a neat crystal mine up the middle fork of the Snoqualmie River (~ 1 hour east of Seattle). Go to: http://www.geologyadventures.com/ Bob's Spruce Creek claim produces beautiful quartz scepter plates with perfect pyrite cubes. Occasional rutilated quartz and amethyst. It costs money, but it's a worthwhile trip. For pictures, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~WTompkins/index-18.html Chuckanut Mountain (approx 30 minutes south of Bellingham) has a nice stilpnomelane deposit, and is a really nice drive. Plus, you can collect Eocene-age plant fossils from Chuckanut Fm sandstones. Walker Valley is an age-old WA State standby. It's a DNR quarry north and east of Mount Vernon (~1.5 hours NNE of Seattle). In a faulted and fractured andestite, you find quartz and amethyst vugs, the occasional thunderegg, and some neat calcite fillings (haven't flouresced them yet). It's hard rock work, tho, with big sledges and bars required to get the good stuff. Plus, its' often crowded. Ron Winter's StoneTrails website has a lot of good collection locations, including detailed directions and maps. Unfortunately, it's not being updated on a regular basis. Go to www.stonetrails.com for more info. Cheers! Aaron > Folks: > > Can anyone suggest collecting areas within a few hours of Seattle, > Washington? I'm interested in zeolites, pegmatites, other crystalline > minerals (not agate or fossils). > > Paul Gilmore > Andover, MA > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "I had a signature once, but I forgot to feed it. It died..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 20:11:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 19:11:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite Message-ID: Thanks Don..I just finished reading it..some of it...went whoooosh right over my head, when it got very technical. But in reading and viewing the pics..I realized I have some Franklin Zincite also! I am keeping the article and will read it a few times..till more of it sinks in. Thanks again! :) Jackie In a message dated 8/20/02 6:52:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > The most prominent locality for zincite is, of course, the > Franklin/Sterling Hill district. It is often massive, but in crystal > form, it can take several habits which do not resemble the size and > shape of the Polish material at all. Here is some good reading on it. > Please do read it; it is short, and you can skim over the more technical > material and enjoy the textual descriptions and photos: > > http://simplethinking.com/dunn/ch22/zincite.stm > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 20 20:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 20 19:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820153137.00a8c400@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Kitty, If minium depended on mine fires, there would be a lot less of it than there is in the mines, although it is still kind of scarce. As the Mineral Galleries site provided by Don H. states, it is an oxidation product, but most often it is natural oxidation, not a fire. Minium is generaly rare or at least scarce and most often only as find grains (really tiny crystals) appearing more like a red dust on other minerals. You will find minium in mines accompanied by other secondary minerals, all formed by the oxidation of the primary minerals which are mostly sulfides in metallic ore deposits. You oxidize lead oxide with nothing else added and you would get minium, throw in other elements and you get cerussite, anglesite, pyromorphite, descloizite, etc. Thank you mother nature, we love what you do to massive sulfide minerals in the near surface environment. Lannys >Aloha all, > >I have two specimens of minium from Broken Hill. I know minium is lead >oxide, Pb3O4. The label for one piece says "red lead," which makes sense to >me. I got the other piece from Milton Lavers, and he told me that minium >was created when galena burns in a mine fire. Can that be? Galena is lead >sulfide, PbS, I believe. I searched minium on the Internet and saw no >reference to galena or how minium is formed. Maybe I gave up too >soon. Can anybody shed some light here? > >Thanks, Kitty > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 00:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Tue Aug 20 23:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) References: Message-ID: <006301c248db$ad403860$d44227c4@horstspc> Hi Hans, Chris Johnston is still living in Omaruru (I visited him for half an hour on Sasturday 13th April (whilst leading a group of 21 gem and mineral collectors through Namibia for three weeks. His postal address is P.O. Box 289, Omaruru, Namibia; his e-mail is chris@khanrivermining.com.na Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "H.Durstling" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) > > > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone have a contact (email or phone no.) for Chris Johnston? Last > contact I had he was in Namibia operating a tourmaline mine... > > Cheers & thanks > HansDurstling > Moncton, Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 05:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Sorrell) Date: Wed Aug 21 04:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question Message-ID: <200208211146.g7LBk6pn009996@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Kitty The minium at Broken Hill is thought to have mostly occurred due to large underground mine fires in the late 1800s and early 1900s. There is one report however of minium occurring naturally in the North Mine at Broken Hill as blebs in sulphide ore. If you look closely at your specimen (under a microscope) you may well find some silver sword shaped crystals of acanthite too. The term "red lead" has been used for minium as well as crocoite. Regards Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 08:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Wed Aug 21 07:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - ItalianMinerals.com UPDATE Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020821160557.0068bb74@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, I have started to add NEW rocks on my WHAT'sNEW sections ! pink garnets, tarbuttite, red beryls, calcite spheroids, and within 2 days a very nice selection of CELESTINE and SULFURS from Sicily, nice specimens at very nice prices. I have just finished taking photos, so the page will be uploaded probably tomorrow ! nice speciemens at very nice prices ! Visit us at: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html or goto: http://www.italianminerals.com Have a nice summer ! Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 08:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 21 07:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Website Updates/Denver Show Message-ID: Hi! I wanted to let everyone know that I have added close to 100 new specimens to the website during the past several days. Address is at the bottom of this e-mail. New specimens have been added to all "What's New" galleries. Good inexpensive thumbnails, nice miniatures, larger specimens, a few classics, all have been added. Denver is coming up soon. I will be in the Holiday Inn, room 180, from the evening of Sept. 9 - Sept. 14. I have a lot of new things and will be showing them there. I should also have a stack of "keystone" flats in the room. In addition to the hotel show, I will be showing at a "wholesale" show in conjunction with Dave Bunk Minerals at his warehouse. Show dates for this will be from Sept. 9 - 14, or by appointment. There will be thousands of specimens exhibited here, all at 50% off or greater. Dave's warehouse is just minutes from the Holiday Inn and I can provide directions if necessary. I hope that you enjoy looking over the new postings, and to see you at Denver! Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 09:22:15 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Barry Walther) Date: Wed Aug 21 08:22:15 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) Message-ID: I cannot get an e-mail to get thru your server at horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za. Please advise me what the problem mite be. Barry >From: "horstwindisch" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:21:24 +0200 > >Hi Hans, > >Chris Johnston is still living in Omaruru (I visited him for half an hour >on >Sasturday 13th April (whilst leading a group of 21 gem and mineral >collectors through Namibia for three weeks. > >His postal address is P.O. Box 289, Omaruru, Namibia; his e-mail is >chris@khanrivermining.com.na > >Regards, >Horst >----- Original Message ----- >From: "H.Durstling" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:29 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Does anyone have a contact (email or phone no.) for Chris Johnston? Last > > contact I had he was in Namibia operating a tourmaline mine... > > > > Cheers & thanks > > HansDurstling > > Moncton, Canada > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 09:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sterling Hill Mine) Date: Wed Aug 21 08:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite References: <3D62C830.7D98CF12@att.net> Message-ID: <003701c24927$9370f180$9be4a5ce@cerfnet.com> To all, By far the best zincite crystal in existence is the one depicted in Peter Bancroft's book. Its a whole page photo if I remember correctly. It resides in the Smithsonian. Semi-translucent on matrix, a specimen wet dreams are made off. Steve Misiur Curator Sterling Hill Mining Museum From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 09:56:47 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Aug 21 08:56:47 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite References: <3D62C830.7D98CF12@att.net> <003701c24927$9370f180$9be4a5ce@cerfnet.com> Message-ID: <3D63B7B1.6BE37BD4@earthlink.net> Steve A VERY graphic and very accurate description of the specimen. Walt Sterling Hill Mine wrote: > To all, > > By far the best zincite crystal in existence is the one > depicted in Peter Bancroft's book. Its a whole page photo if > I remember correctly. It resides in the Smithsonian. > Semi-translucent on matrix, a specimen wet dreams are made > off. > > Steve Misiur > Curator > Sterling Hill Mining Museum > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 10:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Wed Aug 21 09:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] selenite Walt/my specimans References: <2b.2bfb715c.2a93c499@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D63BDF6.4E3E3405@gmx.de> Hello, a good place for celestite from Poland is Grube (=Mine) Machow near Tarnobrzeg. It is the place where most specimens on the market came from. Cheers Juergen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany CRAZYDOVE@aol.com schrieb: > Walt..it's "says" Krakow! I thought it was nice..the price wasn't > bad..so I bought it. > Jackie > > In a message dated 8/20/02 12:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > I have hydrozincite from china with celsetite and some with fluorite which > > is > > blue. Not any of the selenite. Interesting. Where is the selenite from in > > Poland? > > > > Walt > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 10:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Utilisateur1) Date: Wed Aug 21 09:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free minerals ads References: Message-ID: <001101c24931$36189100$89900e50@r4q8f2> Hi ! A new page in the 'zine : free minerals ads. See you later Y. Dain French collector of minerals http://www.chez.com/mineralzine/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 11:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 21 10:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] off topic, but amusing Message-ID: <96.2b49050a.2a952763@aol.com> Hi lists, This was sent to me, after reading it a couple of times, it is rather cute. If it offends anyone, my apologies in advance. Dave New Element Discovered; called ... Administratium A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. This new element has been tentatively named "Administratium." Administratium has 1 neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 111 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force called morons,which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Administratium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Administratium causes one reaction to take over 4 days to complete when it would normally take less than a second. Administratium has a normal half-life of 3 years; it does not decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Administratium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization causes some morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to speculate that Administratium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as "Critical Morass." You will know it when you see it. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 11:56:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Aug 21 10:56:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle area collecting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul, As suggested already, check out Bob Jackson's web site and see if you can make one of his trips, especially a Spruce quartz/pyrite trip. http://www.geologyadventures.com/ There are some zeolite locations within a "few hours" of Seattle, perhaps John Cornish can help, he is a frequent contributor to this list. Email him at: j&gcornish@tenforward.com There aren't any pegmatites of significance to collect in, but Western Washington does have many quartz locations (mostly just east of Seattle, but most are on claims) and zeolite localities (mostly in the SW part of the state). Good luck, Lanny >Folks: > >Can anyone suggest collecting areas within a few hours of Seattle, >Washington? I'm interested in zeolites, pegmatites, other crystalline >minerals (not agate or fossils). > >Paul Gilmore >Andover, MA > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 12:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 21 11:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question In-Reply-To: <200208211146.g7LBk6pn009996@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> Steve & Don, Thanks for your responses. One part of my question remains, although I'm afraid it will get into chemistry beyond my understanding: Does minium, which is in the spinel group, really start out as galena, which is a sulfide? Since I'm a potter, I'm thinking of reduction and oxidation atmospheres in a the firing of a kiln, influenced by the amount of oxygen. Would something like that be happening in a mine fire, and cause the transformation of galena? Kitty This page tends to agree with your friend: http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/oxides/minium/minium.htm Don >The minium at Broken Hill is thought to have mostly occurred due to large >underground mine fires in the late 1800s and early 1900s. > >Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 12:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw MInerals) Date: Wed Aug 21 11:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle area collecting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Can anyone suggest collecting areas within a few hours of Seattle, >Washington?..... If you are up to a couple of hours drive to the East, I'd suggest looking for actinolite at Lake Wenatchee. If you are lucky, the stone quarry at the end of the lake lets you collect. If not...the road cuts in the area are chock-a-block full of material. Somewhat weathered...but still good. Even as I type I've got a nice 4 pound chunk of material right next to my desk on my Real Good Stuff shelf in the office. 2-3" xtls on a talc matrix. Minimally, you get a heck of a nice drive through some gorgeous scenery. Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals Home of MasMils/PLUS http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 12:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed Aug 21 11:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD: Dealer Special] Brazilianite Message-ID: <000c01c24943$8f2b20c0$9336c143@7a2wp> Available - one flat of brazilianite crystals, most *on matrix* of albite. These are from the Telirio Mine near Linopolis, Brazil. There are 36 pieces of various sizes in the flat. Checking the web, I see retail per-piece prices ranging from $25 to $1150 (well, this one does have a 3/8-inch apatite crystal also http://www.andyseibel.com/fine_2.html ). A picture of the flat is at: http://www.ManyFacets.com/images/minerals/brazilianite_flat.jpg (123kbytes). The smaller boxes are 2x3 inch. Our price for the flat - $185 including shipping. If not satisfied, you may return complete within 10 days as long as you pay actual shipping costs both ways. -dan- __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 13:59:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 21 12:59:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821095432.00a8b7f0@mail.aloha.net> Hi group, Just a reminder that the aforeposted website: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html is updated almost daily and the lava display continues in spectacular fashion. There are great pictures from this morning and yesterday of pavement being covered, and if you scroll down you'll see a cooled "snake" of lava going down a set of stairs...the snake's "head" appears to lift up as if checking out the scenery. Most of these images are worth clicking on "large" to see full detail. BTW we can see smoke from lava burning trees as well as the column of steam where it enters the ocean, from our home on the slopes of Mauna Kea above Hilo. It's neat having a friendly volcano in the neighborhood! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 17:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Wed Aug 21 16:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals found in quartz Message-ID: Hello List: Does anyone out there have a reference for all and/or most of the minerals that have been found included in quartz crystals? Thank you, Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 21 19:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob G) Date: Wed Aug 21 18:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] off topic, but amusing References: <96.2b49050a.2a952763@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D644381.7000105@netscape.net> The annoucement of "Administratium" was awarded an I. G. Noble prize in the late 1980's at Harvard University. Perhaps it is the dark matter astronomers are looking for to explain the slow rate of the universe's expansion.. It does meet the criteria of being very unresponsive, very pervasive, and it shure slows thing down. BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: >Hi lists, > This was sent to me, after reading it a couple of times, it is rather >cute. If it offends anyone, my apologies in advance. Dave > New Element Discovered; called ... Administratium > > A major research institution has recently announced the discovery >of the heaviest element yet known to science. This new element >has been tentatively named "Administratium." > Administratium has 1 neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy >neutrons, and 111 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic >mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force called >morons,which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles >called peons. Since Administratium has no electrons, it is inert. >However, it can be detected as it impedes every reaction with which >it comes into contact. A minute amount of Administratium causes >one reaction to take over 4 days to complete when it would normally >take less than a second. Administratium has a normal half-life of 3 >years; it does not decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in >which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons >exchange places. In fact, Administratium's mass will actually >increase over time, since each reorganization causes some morons >to become neutrons, forming isodopes. > This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to >speculate that Administratium is formed whenever morons reach a >certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is >referred to as "Critical Morass." >You will know it when you see it. > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 01:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Thu Aug 22 00:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) References: Message-ID: <004801c249ad$524dde80$7f4127c4@horstspc> Hi Barry, There should be no problem, my correct e-mail address is as quoted:- horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za. Have just opened my e-mail half an hour ago, and received 19 messages. Cannot imagine what the problem is. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Walther" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) > I cannot get an e-mail to get thru your server at > horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za. Please advise me what the problem mite > be. > Barry > > > >From: "horstwindisch" > >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:21:24 +0200 > > > >Hi Hans, > > > >Chris Johnston is still living in Omaruru (I visited him for half an hour > >on > >Sasturday 13th April (whilst leading a group of 21 gem and mineral > >collectors through Namibia for three weeks. > > > >His postal address is P.O. Box 289, Omaruru, Namibia; his e-mail is > >chris@khanrivermining.com.na > > > >Regards, > >Horst > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "H.Durstling" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:29 AM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Contact for Chris Johnston (in Namibia??) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Does anyone have a contact (email or phone no.) for Chris Johnston? Last > > > contact I had he was in Namibia operating a tourmaline mine... > > > > > > Cheers & thanks > > > HansDurstling > > > Moncton, Canada > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 10:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Thu Aug 22 09:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - ItalianMinerals.com UPDATE 2 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020822182115.006c9ce4@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, As promised, a nice selection of CELESTINE and SULFURS from Sicily, at very nice prices, are now availble for your attention. I got a very nice flat of these specimen during this last couple of weeks. Since I had a fair and honest price, now I am offering them at real nice prices ! Visit us at: http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/celestine-sulfur.html or goto: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html Have a nice summer ! Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 12:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Aug 22 11:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite (epilogue) References: Message-ID: <3D653457.C5DAB62B@att.net> Jackie et al., I found that IMA reference regarding man-made minerals. It was originally published in Canadian Mineralogist, Vol. 33, (1995) pp. 689-690, by Ernest H. Nickel. One of my colleagues pointed out that the particular passage I should have quoted was this: "ANTHROPOGENIC SUBSTANCES Anthropogenic substances are those produced by Man, and are not regarded as minerals. If such substances are identical to minerals, they can be referred to as 'synthetic equivalents' of the minerals in question." Following this guidance, then, what you have is synthetic zincite. As I stated, of course, that doesn't make it any less worthy to have in your cabinet, and it certainly exceeds the aesthetic and intellectual value of an ashtray from Jamaica or a t-shirt from Disney World. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 13:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Aug 22 12:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to us: " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not accepted as minerals." At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a fire was accidental or intentional. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 13:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Aug 22 12:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> Message-ID: <060301c24a11$91327de0$c1cc94d1@dmschmidt> let me ask the list this..... I hoping everyone knows what a fulgerite is.....for those of you who don't, a fulgerite is glass...sand that has been fused by the intense heat of a lightning strike generally on a beach. They are fairly common in the Florida Keyes area and also the Sahara desert. Here's my question.... If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current through sand to create a fulgerite. How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? There are far too many fulgerites available from Florida at far too cheap of prices to make me think that they are all naturally occuring, and not just "synthetics" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) > > While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came > across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to > us: > > " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a > special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human > involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not > accepted as minerals." > > At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people > were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or > whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a > fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, > isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a > fire was accidental or intentional. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 03/08/2002 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 13:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw MInerals) Date: Thu Aug 22 12:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <060301c24a11$91327de0$c1cc94d1@dmschmidt> Message-ID: Man-made fulgurites, I hear you say? http://home.att.net/~allanmcnyc/molesworth.html Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals Home of MasMils/PLUS http://www.catspaw-minerals.com If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current through sand to create a fulgerite. How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 13:39:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Aug 22 12:39:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> <060301c24a11$91327de0$c1cc94d1@dmschmidt> Message-ID: <3D653DCB.4C1319B8@att.net> You are quite correct! They do something with wires planted in the sand on the beach; I think there was a thread on either this group or rocks-and-fossils some time ago. I've even seen pictures on the web of these nuts, um, entrepeneurs on the beach. I'm sure you can find some. Don Michael Schmidt wrote: > > let me ask the list this..... > > There are far too many fulgerites available from Florida at far too cheap of > prices to make me think that they are all naturally occuring, and not just > "synthetics" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 14:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Aug 22 13:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] fulgurites Message-ID: Your supposition is correct--people are indeed making fulgurites by attracting lightning to a predetermined spot. Several months ago I did a search on "fulgurites" on the web and came across the site where the process is explained and manmade (sort of) fulgurites are for sale. Nifty photographs too. I think you can contract with these folks to get a fulgurite made for you, and they'll use special sands if you like. Want a rutile fulgurite? Just ask! Very interesting application of atmospheric research. I doubt there's any easy way to distinguish a human-assisted fulgurite from the natural thing unless, of course, some sand not native to the locality were used as the target. Cheers- Earl Verbeek >From: "Michael Schmidt" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:24:41 -0600 > >let me ask the list this..... > >I hoping everyone knows what a fulgerite is.....for those of you who don't, >a fulgerite is glass...sand that has been fused by the intense heat of a >lightning strike generally on a beach. They are fairly common in the >Florida Keyes area and also the Sahara desert. > >Here's my question.... > >If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an >artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" >lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am >sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current >through sand to create a fulgerite. > >How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally >created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? > >There are far too many fulgerites available from Florida at far too cheap >of >prices to make me think that they are all naturally occuring, and not just >"synthetics" > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 15:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Thu Aug 22 14:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <060301c24a11$91327de0$c1cc94d1@dmschmidt> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> Message-ID: I think those who would do this and sell them unlabelled as fulgerites ought to be turned into one.- Bill Cordua. >let me ask the list this..... > >I hoping everyone knows what a fulgerite is.....for those of you who don't, >a fulgerite is glass...sand that has been fused by the intense heat of a >lightning strike generally on a beach. They are fairly common in the >Florida Keyes area and also the Sahara desert. > >Here's my question.... > >If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an >artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" >lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am >sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current >through sand to create a fulgerite. > >How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally >created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? > >There are far too many fulgerites available from Florida at far too cheap of >prices to make me think that they are all naturally occuring, and not just >"synthetics" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don H" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:06 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) > > >> >> While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came >> across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to >> us: >> >> " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a >> special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human >> involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not >> accepted as minerals." >> >> At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people >> were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or >> whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a >> fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, >> isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a >> fire was accidental or intentional. >> >> Don >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 03/08/2002 > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 15:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Aug 22 14:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] fulgurites References: Message-ID: <001d01c24a26$69cab460$37aa77d5@pandora.be> Hi Earl you wrote: | I doubt there's any easy way to distinguish a human-assisted fulgurite from | the natural thing unless, of course, some sand not native to the locality | were used as the target. And you'd probably find copper droplets in the fulgurite as the vapor of the wire condenses after the initial heat of the blast... I saw some guys fooling around with long copper wires on National Geographic Channel. One end of the wire was grounded in a bucket of sand while the other was attached to a rocket. They shot the rockets into the storm clouds when the electric fields in the clouds were peaking. Pretty successfull if you ask me. Sticking the wire in a bucket is a lot safer than holding it. Anyway, each bucket had a small fulgurite in it. Essentially a high-tech repetition of Benjamin Franklin's experiment with the kite... cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "earl verbeek" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fulgurites | | Your supposition is correct--people are indeed making fulgurites by | attracting lightning to a predetermined spot. Several months ago I did a | search on "fulgurites" on the web and came across the site where the process | is explained and manmade (sort of) fulgurites are for sale. Nifty | photographs too. I think you can contract with these folks to get a | fulgurite made for you, and they'll use special sands if you like. Want a | rutile fulgurite? Just ask! Very interesting application of atmospheric | research. | | I doubt there's any easy way to distinguish a human-assisted fulgurite from | the natural thing unless, of course, some sand not native to the locality | were used as the target. | | Cheers- Earl Verbeek | | | >From: "Michael Schmidt" | >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | >To: | >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:24:41 -0600 | > | >let me ask the list this..... | > | >I hoping everyone knows what a fulgerite is.....for those of you who don't, | >a fulgerite is glass...sand that has been fused by the intense heat of a | >lightning strike generally on a beach. They are fairly common in the | >Florida Keyes area and also the Sahara desert. | > | >Here's my question.... | > | >If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an | >artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" | >lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am | >sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current | >through sand to create a fulgerite. | > | >How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally | >created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? | > | >There are far too many fulgerites available from Florida at far too cheap | >of | >prices to make me think that they are all naturally occuring, and not just | >"synthetics" | > | | | _________________________________________________________________ | Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 15:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 22 14:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] fulgurites Message-ID: In a message dated 8/22/02 2:49:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > > Essentially a high-tech repetition of Benjamin Franklin's experiment with > the kite... > And an easy to turn a human body into a fulgurite. Maybe you could have a GFI (ground fault interrupter) in your shoes. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 15:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Thu Aug 22 14:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RMFMS Newsletter Message-ID: <000301c24a26$eb054900$9fb2950c@mel> The Sept. RMFMS Newsletter is available at http://www.rmfms.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 15:57:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 22 14:57:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) Message-ID: <127.15c4e6b1.2a96b81e@aol.com> I guess then you should look for the copper. That will work till they switch to steel wire. >> How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally >> created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? > You are quite correct! They do something with wires planted in the sand > on the beach; From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 16:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Aug 22 15:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] fulgurites References: Message-ID: <005701c24a2a$92456b20$37aa77d5@pandora.be> | And an easy to turn a human body into a fulgurite. Maybe you could have a GFI | (ground fault interrupter) in your shoes. | I'm sorry Grant but I gave up smoking on april 9th 2001... would be a waste to take up the habit again (double grin) I 'd probably turn ito a "vulgarite" rather than a fulgurite. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 16:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Aug 22 15:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: <127.15c4e6b1.2a96b81e@aol.com> Message-ID: <005f01c24a2a$dd258260$37aa77d5@pandora.be> Yes! Furthermore, fulgurites run deep! You could dig up the part below the wire and still have a big piece... Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | I guess then you should look for the copper. That will work till they switch | to steel wire. | | >> How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally | >> created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? | | > You are quite correct! They do something with wires planted in the sand | > on the beach; | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 16:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stuart Schmitt) Date: Thu Aug 22 15:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Calling all rockhounds References: <005701c24a2a$92456b20$37aa77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <016301c24a2c$b83fca80$1fb7fea9@win98> The Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce is inviting all rockhounds to this year's "World Championship Crystal Dig" which will be held October 10, 11, & 12. The winners will share in $1500 prize money and crystal trophies, and all participants keep all the crystal they dig. The pre-registration fee is $60 for the 3 day dig. The fee after October 1 will be $75. Drawings will be held every day for t-shirts, caps, special mugs, crystals and other neat prizes. You can check out the details on this Chamber web page: http://www.mtidachamber.com/crystal-dig.htm To see the results from last year check here: http://www.mtidachamber.com/2001dig/dig2001.html The participating mines this year are Sony Stanley's Fisher Mountain Mine (http://www.mtidachamber.com/stanley/index.html), Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine (http://www.arcrystalmine.com) and Gee & Dee Johnson's Brewster Mountain Mine. For more information you can contact Sherman Bush, Executive Director Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce 870) 867-2723 Email: mountida@ipa.net Fax (870)867-5099 With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt President, Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 18:27:18 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Aug 22 17:27:18 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] fulgurites In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a26$69cab460$37aa77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: That was at the UF lightning lab outside Gainesville here. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 16:54 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fulgurites Hi Earl you wrote: | I doubt there's any easy way to distinguish a human-assisted fulgurite from | the natural thing unless, of course, some sand not native to the locality | were used as the target. And you'd probably find copper droplets in the fulgurite as the vapor of the wire condenses after the initial heat of the blast... I saw some guys fooling around with long copper wires on National Geographic Channel. One end of the wire was grounded in a bucket of sand while the other was attached to a rocket. They shot the rockets into the storm clouds when the electric fields in the clouds were peaking. Pretty successfull if you ask me. Sticking the wire in a bucket is a lot safer than holding it. Anyway, each bucket had a small fulgurite in it. Essentially a high-tech repetition of Benjamin Franklin's experiment with the kite... cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "earl verbeek" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fulgurites | | Your supposition is correct--people are indeed making fulgurites by | attracting lightning to a predetermined spot. Several months ago I did a | search on "fulgurites" on the web and came across the site where the process | is explained and manmade (sort of) fulgurites are for sale. Nifty | photographs too. I think you can contract with these folks to get a | fulgurite made for you, and they'll use special sands if you like. Want a | rutile fulgurite? Just ask! Very interesting application of atmospheric | research. | | I doubt there's any easy way to distinguish a human-assisted fulgurite from | the natural thing unless, of course, some sand not native to the locality | were used as the target. | | Cheers- Earl Verbeek | | | >From: "Michael Schmidt" | >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | >To: | >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:24:41 -0600 | > | >let me ask the list this..... | > | >I hoping everyone knows what a fulgerite is.....for those of you who don't, | >a fulgerite is glass...sand that has been fused by the intense heat of a | >lightning strike generally on a beach. They are fairly common in the | >Florida Keyes area and also the Sahara desert. | > | >Here's my question.... | > | >If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an | >artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" | >lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am | >sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current | >through sand to create a fulgerite. | > | >How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally | >created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? | > | >There are far too many fulgerites available from Florida at far too cheap | >of | >prices to make me think that they are all naturally occuring, and not just | >"synthetics" | > | | | _________________________________________________________________ | Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 18:52:08 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 22 17:52:08 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite (epilogue) Message-ID: <121.15a5f6a5.2a96e124@aol.com> Thank you Don..interesting..and as you say..my "zincites" are purtier than an ashtray or t-shirt from Dizzy World. They are pretty, they have a hefty weight to them and to me..they are minerals...whether created by fire in a mine/smokestack or by mamma nature. I appreciate your very helpful info and clarification for me. Jackie In a message dated 8/22/02 3:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > "ANTHROPOGENIC SUBSTANCES > > Anthropogenic substances are those produced by Man, and are not regarded > as minerals. If such substances are identical to minerals, they can be > referred to as 'synthetic equivalents' of the minerals in question." > > Following this guidance, then, what you have is synthetic zincite. As I > stated, of course, that doesn't make it any less worthy to have in your > cabinet, and it certainly exceeds the aesthetic and intellectual value > of an ashtray from Jamaica or a t-shirt from Disney World. > > Don > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 19:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Aug 22 18:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) References: Message-ID: <3D658A3C.5161@Tomaszewski.net> http://rgp.ufl.edu/explore/v03n2/lightning.html http://www~pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/release/1990/72-90.htm http://www.uce.ufl.edu/labs/melemag.html And if you are into micro's, you can make your own with a neon sign transformer, a couple wires, and a bucket of sand. Push one wire down thru the sand so it just touches the bottom and hook it to the transformer. Hook the other wire to the metal bucket and the other side of the transformer. Turn it on and a spark will start between the wire and the bucket. Slowly pull out the stuck in wire. The initial spark will melt a little sand. Molten glass is conductive. As you draw out the wire the fulgurite will grow. Usual cautions when playing with 15,000 volts. Catspaw MInerals wrote: > > Man-made fulgurites, I hear you say? > > http://home.att.net/~allanmcnyc/molesworth.html > > Gary Brown > Catspaw Minerals > Home of MasMils/PLUS > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > > > If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an > artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" > lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am > sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current > through sand to create a fulgerite. > > How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally > created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 21:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Aug 22 20:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> Message-ID: One could even say that all minerals created by a mine fire MUST have some degree of human involvement because every mine is created by humans. Just something to think about... Bob Loeffler President and webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to us: " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not accepted as minerals." At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a fire was accidental or intentional. Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 22:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Aug 22 21:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (again) In-Reply-To: <3D658A3C.5161@Tomaszewski.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020822160501.02e9faf0@mail.aloha.net> The fulgerite and anthropogenic substances threads have been fascinating and sometimes genuinely amusing....but can anyone respond to my minium question: Does minium, which is in the spinel group, really start out as galena, which is a sulfide? Since I'm a potter, I'm thinking of reduction and oxidation atmospheres in a the firing of a kiln, influenced by the amount of oxygen. Would something like that be happening in a mine fire, and cause the transformation of galena? Or are we sure that minium started off as galena, as my Broken Hill friend says? Thanks, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 22:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Aug 22 21:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (again) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020822160501.02e9faf0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D65BCF7.338B@Tomaszewski.net> Try doing a Google search on "galena to minium in a mine fire". Just over a couple dozen hits, and the results are interesting. Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > The fulgerite and anthropogenic substances threads have been fascinating > and sometimes genuinely amusing....but can anyone respond to my minium > question: Does minium, which is in the spinel group, really start out as > galena, which is a sulfide? Since I'm a potter, I'm thinking of reduction > and oxidation atmospheres in a the firing of a kiln, influenced by the > amount of oxygen. Would something like that be happening in a mine fire, > and cause the transformation of galena? Or are we sure that minium started > off as galena, as my Broken Hill friend says? > > Thanks, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 22 23:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Marcus Origlieri) Date: Thu Aug 22 22:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020822223344.00b2a198@mail62.pair.com> Please note that the mine itself is not natural, with or without the fire. Also minium is NOT a member of the spinel group; it has a unique structure. I would like to know of a compound with tetrahedrally coordinated lead. For a reference see Strunz 8th edition. Or basically use any other reference than an internet site with no referenced data. cheers Marcus At 03:06 PM 8/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: >While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came >across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to >us: > >" . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a >special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human >involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not >accepted as minerals." > >At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people >were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or >whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a >fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, >isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a >fire was accidental or intentional. > >Don >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Marcus Origlieri Mineral Zone http://www.mineralzone.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 03:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 23 02:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) References: <3D658A3C.5161@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003401c24a87$edabe0e0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> I have been fooling around with 18.000 volts (first steps in building a spectroscope) and I found out that you should were goggles at all times. Turning the arc on creates a powerfull electric field which instantly spews grains of dust an sand in all directions at (reallyreally) high speed. Also be aware that you should NOT wear contactlenses while working (playing is such an ugly word here) with electric arcs. These generate ample microwave radiation along with visible light. The microwaves are often capable of evaporating the very thin layer of moisture between the lens and your eye instantly, vacuum-cementing the lens to your eye. This is usually not felt until one tries to remove the lens. The result is permanent blindness so a word of caution may be in place here.... Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) | http://rgp.ufl.edu/explore/v03n2/lightning.html | http://www~pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/release/1990/72-90.htm | http://www.uce.ufl.edu/labs/melemag.html | | And if you are into micro's, you can make your own with a neon sign | transformer, a couple wires, and a bucket of sand. Push one wire down | thru the sand so it just touches the bottom and hook it to the | transformer. Hook the other wire to the metal bucket and the other side | of the transformer. Turn it on and a spark will start between the wire | and the bucket. Slowly pull out the stuck in wire. The initial spark | will melt a little sand. Molten glass is conductive. As you draw out the | wire the fulgurite will grow. Usual cautions when playing with 15,000 | volts. | | | | | Catspaw MInerals wrote: | > | > Man-made fulgurites, I hear you say? | > | > http://home.att.net/~allanmcnyc/molesworth.html | > | > Gary Brown | > Catspaw Minerals | > Home of MasMils/PLUS | > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com | > | > | > | > If a natural fulgerite is worth x$ on the basis of its rarity, what is an | > artificially created one worth? Would it be so difficult to "attract" | > lightning to a beach during a rainstorm? Not being an electrician, I am | > sure there are a dozen different ways you could pass an electric current | > through sand to create a fulgerite. | > | > How would you tell the difference between a fulgerite that was naturally | > created, and one whose creation was due to human design???? | > | > _______________________________________________ | > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > Subscription Services: | > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 03:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 23 02:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: Message-ID: <004801c24a8b$2e77ade0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> I don't know Bob. Think of an outcrop of coal. Coal layers can be a thin as a centimeter but also meters thick. Such an outcrop can easily be set ablaze by a forestfire or lightning. This probably happened long before man was hare to watch it. You can find even stranger things if you look around. Take a peek at the natural nuclear reactor at Oklo, Gabon. That went on for more than a 1.000 years. http://www.ymp.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.htm http://www.alamut.com/proj/98/nuclearGarden/bookTexts/Lovelock_Oklo.html http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/oklo.htm This one's even better ;-))))) http://www3.cosmiverse.com/news/science/science06120203.html Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:29 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | One could even say that all minerals created by a mine fire MUST have some | degree of human involvement because every mine is created by humans. | | Just something to think about... | | Bob Loeffler | President and webmaster | North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) | http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ | and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) | | Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at: | http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ | | | -----Original Message----- | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H | Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | | | | While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came | across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to | us: | | " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a | special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human | involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not | accepted as minerals." | | At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people | were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or | whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a | fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, | isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a | fire was accidental or intentional. | | Don | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 07:01:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Aug 23 06:01:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <004801c24a8b$2e77ade0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: When we were out in Wyoming the park we were camping at had a campfire talk given by a mine engineer from one of the big coal companies. He said that coal veins, exposed on the surface, out west generally do catch on fire naturally, forest fires I suppose. The coal is converted to clinker and the thickness of the clinker layer tells you how deep the underlaying coal layer is. The ratio was something like 10:1, a meter of clinker means 10 meters of coal. The the fossil plants found in the area are in the clinker layer if I recall correctly or just above it. The fellow who noticed the relationship made a lot of money for the railroad company he was working for since they were looking for sources of coal for their trains. Bryan -----Original Message----- I don't know Bob. Think of an outcrop of coal. Coal layers can be a thin as a centimeter but also meters thick. Such an outcrop can easily be set ablaze by a forestfire or lightning. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 07:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Fri Aug 23 06:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Coal bed fires can be started without lightening or forest fire. Coal exposed in open pit mines of western Wyoming often will start burning spontaneously, presumably because the low rank coal is oxidizing when exposed to air, which generates enough heat to start burning surrounding material. This can be a problem in piles of coal that are being stored, so they have to be monitored. When I was in the Kemmerer mine some years ago, there were several places where thin layers of coal were burning, but these posed no real problem and were pretty much ignored. I suppose there had to be some care taken to not include any burning material in the coal being actively mined, but the burn spots tend to put themselves out after a short time. The burn spots were generally in thinner layers not far below the original ground surface. The Kemmerer mine is most impressive for having a coal bed of 100 feet thickness. Tom Y >When we were out in Wyoming the park we were camping at had a campfire talk >given by a mine engineer from one of the big coal companies. He said that >coal veins, exposed on the surface, out west generally do catch on fire >naturally, forest fires I suppose. The coal is converted to clinker and the >thickness of the clinker layer tells you how deep the underlaying coal layer >is. The ratio was something like 10:1, a meter of clinker means 10 meters of >coal. The the fossil plants found in the area are in the clinker layer if I >recall correctly or just above it. > >The fellow who noticed the relationship made a lot of money for the railroad >company he was working for since they were looking for sources of coal for >their trains. > >Bryan > > >-----Original Message----- > >I don't know Bob. Think of an outcrop of coal. Coal layers can be a thin as >a centimeter but also meters thick. Such an outcrop can easily be set ablaze >by a forestfire or lightning. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 07:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 23 06:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: (no subject) Message-ID: <190.c01ea53.2a979972@aol.com> For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 09:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 23 08:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: Message-ID: <3D66592D.7C7D08C3@earthlink.net> Just the fact that there is a mine to have the fire in, even if spontaneous combustion, is human intervention. Walt Bob Loeffler wrote: > One could even say that all minerals created by a mine fire MUST have some > degree of human involvement because every mine is created by humans. > > Just something to think about... > > Bob Loeffler > President and webmaster > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ > and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) > > Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at: > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) > > While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came > across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to > us: > > " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a > special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human > involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not > accepted as minerals." > > At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people > were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or > whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a > fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, > isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a > fire was accidental or intentional. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 11:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Fri Aug 23 10:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ttingen?= Message-ID: Hello mostly to hounds with connections to the old country.... I need to know the country associated with a mineral locality. The mineral is strontioginorite, the locality is given as Reyershausen bei Göttingen. Is that Germany or Austria? Thanks, Pete Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 11:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 23 10:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRockhounds=5D_G=F6ttingen?= References: Message-ID: <000501c24ace$01866ae0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> Germany, Pete. Just above the axis Köln - Leipzig and about halfway those two cities. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Göttingen | Hello mostly to hounds with connections to the old country.... | | I need to know the country associated with a mineral locality. The mineral is strontioginorite, the locality is given as Reyershausen bei Göttingen. Is that Germany or Austria? | | Thanks, | Pete Richards | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | R. Peter Richards | rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu | | Mineral collector | Crystallographer | SHAPE for the Macintosh | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 11:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 23 10:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020822223344.00b2a198@mail62.pair.com> References: <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020821073548.00a90240@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823074045.009ec900@mail.aloha.net> I got the statement that minium is a member of the spinel group from the website that Don recommended I look at ( http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/oxides/minium/minium.htm ). I admit that there are no references given, but the explanation of how it's chemical formula makes it part of the spinel group looked reasonable to me, a person with no chemistry past high school. I guess I'd better give up on trying to understand things by simply reading stuff off my computer. Aloha, Kitty At 10:37 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Please note that the mine itself is not natural, with or without the fire. > >Also minium is NOT a member of the spinel group; it has a unique >structure. I would like to know of a compound with tetrahedrally >coordinated lead. For a reference see Strunz 8th edition. Or basically >use any other reference than an internet site with no referenced data. > >cheers >Marcus > >At 03:06 PM 8/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came >>across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to >>us: >> >>" . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a >>special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human >>involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not >>accepted as minerals." >> >>At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people >>were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or >>whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a >>fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, >>isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a >>fire was accidental or intentional. >> >>Don >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >Marcus Origlieri >Mineral Zone >http://www.mineralzone.com > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 12:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Fri Aug 23 11:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) References: <3D658A3C.5161@Tomaszewski.net> <003401c24a87$edabe0e0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3D66792C.3DB5566A@cox.net> Axel, I believe your message and warning should be sent to the AFMS, and all regional Federations for their Safety Committee. I have not yet seen any warning regarding contact lenses. Many rockhounds are tinkerers, and this thread of fulgerites will get quite a few going. Thanks, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 12:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 23 11:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: References: <3D653653.E7A85F3B@att.net> Message-ID: Minerals created by mine fires has been kicked around in the collector community before. The IMA no longer accepts minerals created by "natural causes" that only occurred because of actions by man: mine fires, slag dumps in saltwater, etc. There are a number of accepted minerals that did form that way that were approved in the past, but won't be any more. As to the collector, it's up to each of us to decide if a minium specimen formed from a mine fire and a fulgurite caused by a man induced lightning strike is worthy of our collection. At the very least, these should all be clearly labeled as not being natural or "completely natural." Seems to me that a fulgurite formed from a man induced lightning strike is kind of a "middle of the roader." That is it only happend because a person induced the lightning strike, yet the actual formation of the fulgarite is still in the natural setting and still caused by a lightning strike, a natural phenomenon. Whereas a mine fire can only happen by burning timbers and other debris left by man in a hole in the ground made by man (even if the fire started from a lightning strike...). As usual, it's not simple. Lanny >One could even say that all minerals created by a mine fire MUST have some >degree of human involvement because every mine is created by humans. > >Just something to think about... > >Bob Loeffler >President and webmaster >North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) >http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ >and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) > >Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at: >http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) > > > >While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came >across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to >us: > >" . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a >special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human >involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not >accepted as minerals." > >At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people >were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or >whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a >fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, >isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a >fire was accidental or intentional. > >Don >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 12:29:15 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 23 11:29:15 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (again) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020822160501.02e9faf0@mail.aloha.net> References: <3D658A3C.5161@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Kitty, I answered this in my message a couple days ago. Minium is one of the secondary minerals that forms from the oxidation of a primary mineral (in this case galena, a sulfide). We know for minium this is true because like the other secondary minerals (also commonly called oxides), these minerals mostly (not exclusively for some) occur in only that part of an ore deposit that has been oxidized. The oxidized or secondary ore generally sits on top of the primary ore because the near surface or surface zone is where the conditions are such that waters carry oxygen through the primary ore, causing the changes that break down the primary minerals and form the oxide minerals. Thus minium (and cerussite, and anglesite, etc.) form from the lead released from galena when the oxidation process breaks down the galena. Thus you can say it starts out as galena. A mine fire is just a rapid oxidation process, mostly oxidizing wood and other man induced items, but will oxidize anything in the way that gets hot enough, including ore minerals. Regards, Lanny >The fulgerite and anthropogenic substances threads have been fascinating >and sometimes genuinely amusing....but can anyone respond to my minium >question: Does minium, which is in the spinel group, really start out as >galena, which is a sulfide? Since I'm a potter, I'm thinking of reduction >and oxidation atmospheres in a the firing of a kiln, influenced by the >amount of oxygen. Would something like that be happening in a mine fire, >and cause the transformation of galena? Or are we sure that minium started >off as galena, as my Broken Hill friend says? > >Thanks, Kitty > > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 12:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Fri Aug 23 11:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ttingen?= References: Message-ID: <3D669913.79B2ED3F@ix.netcom.com> Pete, Gottingen is in Germany at the southwest edge of the Harz Mountains. John Pete Richards wrote: > Hello mostly to hounds with connections to the old country.... > > I need to know the country associated with a mineral locality. The mineral is strontioginorite, the locality is given as Reyershausen bei Göttingen. Is that Germany or Austria? > > Thanks, > Pete Richards > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 12:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 23 11:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) References: <3D658A3C.5161@Tomaszewski.net> <003401c24a87$edabe0e0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> <3D66792C.3DB5566A@cox.net> Message-ID: <002001c24ad6$899e39a0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> No problem, Teresa. The issue came up last year when two arc-welders suffered this terrible fate. Since then there is a warning posted in the safety regulations of our company. The microwave-burst seems to be very short lived. Only at the very start of an electric arc. Naturally, the normal shielding for the eyes is a very dark cobalt glass, but that won't stop the microwaves. You need a fine metal mesh to accomplish that. Please feel free to pass on this message... cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "TAM" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minimum question (epilogue) | Axel, | I believe your message and warning should be sent to the AFMS, and all | regional Federations for their Safety Committee. I have not yet seen any | warning regarding contact lenses. Many rockhounds are tinkerers, and | this thread of fulgerites will get quite a few going. | Thanks, | Teresa | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 14:06:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri Aug 23 13:06:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ABOUT John Sinkankas References: <001801c24542$01ed9260$b7e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> Message-ID: <3D669774.6766@rcn.com> HI JUST DO A SEARCH FOR Sinkankas THAT SITE AND OTHERS WILL COME UP. GeorgiaO ...could also search for Jay Lininger... __ ___ Hello all, Does anybody have that web site link that had a great bio about John Sinkankas done by Jay Lininger?Or better yet, anyone has Jay's e-mail address? Thanks, Steve Misiur Curator Sterling Hill Mining Museum _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 14:06:27 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 23 13:06:27 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fulgerite meets Coprolite Message-ID: <2F41C247.3C3D5F5C.02180873@aol.com> I was working on a factory a number of years ago and we had 2-34 KV feeder lines coming into the plant. The primary feeder dropped out so we went to the switching station to bring up the other feeder. The mechanism failed and 34,000 volts at high amps dropped to dead ground in a spectacular flash that vaporized the copper bar stabs in the switch. The system basic design made sure nobody got hurt (except for heart attacks). I didn;t even think about the fact that we probably created a fulgerite in the sandy soil. Probably there to this day. I was too worried about the coprolite in my shorts. :-) Gene Hartstein Newark, DE From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 14:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Fri Aug 23 13:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ABOUT John Sinkankas Message-ID: jlininger@matrixpublishing.com >From: "Frederick L. Olmstead" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] ABOUT John Sinkankas >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:13:40 -0400 > >HI >JUST DO A SEARCH FOR > >Sinkankas > >THAT SITE AND OTHERS WILL COME UP. > >GeorgiaO > > >...could also search for Jay Lininger... > >__ >___ > > Hello all, > > Does anybody have that web site link that had a great bio > about John Sinkankas done by Jay Lininger?Or better yet, > anyone has Jay's e-mail address? > > Thanks, > Steve Misiur > Curator > Sterling Hill Mining Museum > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 15:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 23 14:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> As long as we're discussing natural vs. manmade minerals, here's a website for diamonds made from cremated remains "as a lasting keepsake of a loved one." www.lifegem.com There was an interview on the TV news this morning. The guy insisted that these are not synthetic, but genuine diamonds. They're genuine something, because a full karat stone costs $22,000. He said one loved one's remains could produce several gems, enough for the whole bereaved family. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 15:39:15 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 23 14:39:15 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fulgerite meets Coprolite References: <2F41C247.3C3D5F5C.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D66AB69.3DC0D322@earthlink.net> Gene Great story. Walt FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > I was working on a factory a number of years ago and we had 2-34 KV feeder lines coming into the plant. The primary feeder dropped out so we went to the switching station to bring up the other feeder. The mechanism failed and 34,000 volts at high amps dropped to dead ground in a spectacular flash that vaporized the copper bar stabs in the switch. The system basic design made sure nobody got hurt (except for heart attacks). I didn;t even think about the fact that we probably created a fulgerite in the sandy soil. Probably there to this day. I was too worried about the coprolite in my shorts. > > :-) > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 15:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 23 14:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D66AEBC.651D03FE@earthlink.net> Saw that on TV last night. What a crock. First of all, Diamonds are pure carbon. Secondly, ashes contain little carbon, as it has mostly been changed to CO2. NOW, did you see the diamonds? They appeared to be heavily included. Maybe, but definitely NOT natural. AND, at 22K PER CARAT??? No thanks, I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered in a volcano, at sea and my favoirte mining areas. Volcano, I can return to whence I came. Sea? Tradition, favorite areas, sentiment. Where in Hawaii are you folks? Walt Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > As long as we're discussing natural vs. manmade minerals, here's a website > for diamonds made from cremated remains "as a lasting keepsake of a loved one." > > www.lifegem.com > > There was an interview on the TV news this morning. The guy insisted that > these are not synthetic, but genuine diamonds. They're genuine something, > because a full karat stone costs $22,000. He said one loved one's remains > could produce several gems, enough for the whole bereaved family. > > Aloha, Kitty > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 16:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 23 15:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" In-Reply-To: <3D66AEBC.651D03FE@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823120833.02eb0680@mail.aloha.net> Walt, We live on the lower slopes of Mauna Kea above Hilo on the Big Island. From our lanai we can see the smoke from trees and pavement being burned by lava, and the column of steam where it's going into the ocean. A couple of years ago when pu'u o'o (the source of the current eruption) started fountaining, we set up a telescope and got a pretty good view without having to leave the house. Aloha, Kitty >Where in Hawaii are you folks? > >Walt --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 18:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 23 17:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" In-Reply-To: <3D66AEBC.651D03FE@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823143424.02e92690@mail.aloha.net> BTW Walt, when you make pre-arrangements for your ashes, just have 2/3rds of them sent here; we'll take care of the volcano and sea part...there's plenty of both here! Kitty >I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered in a volcano, at sea and >my favoirte mining areas. Volcano, I can return to whence I came. Sea? >Tradition, >favorite areas, sentiment. > >Walt --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 18:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 23 17:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020823120833.02eb0680@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D66D55E.E6A53814@earthlink.net> KItty Should have remembered from your prior letters. WHen I lived in Honolulu, I worked for 3 months as a seasonal Ranger at Volcanos National Park. I went back to the mainland and worked as a seasonal ranger at Lake Powell, my longest lasting seasonal job, for 4 seasons. Loved it in Volcanos. It was great. Loved hiking down into some of the areas and seeing the various vents. Mostly just stayed up top and gave lectures. Walt Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Walt, > > We live on the lower slopes of Mauna Kea above Hilo on the Big > Island. From our lanai we can see the smoke from trees and pavement being > burned by lava, and the column of steam where it's going into the ocean. A > couple of years ago when pu'u o'o (the source of the current eruption) > started fountaining, we set up a telescope and got a pretty good view > without having to leave the house. > > Aloha, Kitty > > >Where in Hawaii are you folks? > > > >Walt > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 19:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 23 18:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020823143424.02e92690@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D66DCC2.842348D5@earthlink.net> Kathy and Bill You got it. Right in the old flame. THat is where my ex wife said I was going anyway. :Yeah, the big Island would be great. Sprinkle a little in the lava tubes also. Ever get over to the Kailua side? Loved it there. Walt Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > BTW Walt, when you make pre-arrangements for your ashes, just have 2/3rds > of them sent here; we'll take care of the volcano and sea part...there's > plenty of both here! > > Kitty > > >I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered in a volcano, at sea and > >my favoirte mining areas. Volcano, I can return to whence I came. Sea? > >Tradition, > >favorite areas, sentiment. > > > >Walt > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 23 19:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 23 18:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" In-Reply-To: <3D66D55E.E6A53814@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020823120833.02eb0680@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823150642.02e95bf0@mail.aloha.net> Put "Kim Heacox" into a search on the Internet and you'll find books and projects by Bill's brother. He's been a park ranger (as well as photographer and writer) in some mighty interesting places. His field is more ecology than geology, but as you know, as a ranger you often do it all. He's been a naturalist and interpreter for trips to the Galapagos, Antarctica, the Falklands, Death Valley, Glacier Bay, Denali, etc. Last year he participated as the main photographer in retracing the 1899 Harriman Expedition of the Alaska coast. Bill and I manned a fire lookout tower for the Forest Service years ago, and he was a Smoke Jumper for several summers. Rockhounds tend to do things like that, I've observed. Aloha, Kitty At 06:37 PM 8/23/2002 -0600, you wrote: >KItty > >Should have remembered from your prior letters. WHen I lived in Honolulu, I >worked for 3 months as a seasonal Ranger at Volcanos National Park. I went >back to the mainland and worked as a seasonal ranger at Lake Powell, my >longest lasting seasonal job, for 4 seasons. Loved it in Volcanos. It was >great. Loved hiking down into some of the areas and seeing the various vents. >Mostly just stayed up top and gave lectures. > >Walt --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 00:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Fri Aug 23 23:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRockhounds=5D_G=F6ttingen?= References: Message-ID: <000401c24b35$2cb1e0c0$103d27c4@horstspc> Hallo Pete, That is Germany, Reyershausen is a couple of km NE of Goettingen. Regards, Horst (from South Africa) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Göttingen > Hello mostly to hounds with connections to the old country.... > > I need to know the country associated with a mineral locality. The mineral is strontioginorite, the locality is given as Reyershausen bei Göttingen. Is that Germany or Austria? > > Thanks, > Pete Richards > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 01:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Aug 24 00:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] uranium mineralogy Message-ID: <00ad01c24b41$29890c00$4aa04bd5@o8o3s6> Hi all, I just joined the group and I thought I should introduce myself. I'm Maurice and I live in the Netherlands. Yep that is right, that small country almost without any minerals.... I'm a systematic mineral collector. Just for fun I started a website about uranium mineralogy. I'm always in need for additional information, mainly about uranium localities worldwide. For each locality I'm interested in the mineralogy, geology and history. So if you have any information for me let me know. I would appreciate it. You can contact me via this group, or by one of the 'mail me' links on my site. Check out http://home.hetnet.nl/~mlddegraaf Thanks, Maurice From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 09:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 24 08:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] uranium mineralogy In-Reply-To: <> References: <> Message-ID: <200208241511.g7OFB4g4015196@email2.voicenet.com> Maurice, Welcome! I have posted to this list in the past about my collecting experiences in the Bancroft, Ontario, area. Like you, I am a "systematic collector," but I focus on where and when I can get into the field. I live in New Jersey, USA, outside of the city of Philadelphia, but I take my family up to the area around Bancroft every summer in August. Collecting minerals, and uranium minerals, is a focus of the precious little leisure time I have up on the Canadian Shield. In a separate email, I will send you some files about localities that I have visited and found uranium minerals. Thanks for the link to your website; it is very informative and useful. Nathan Schachtman Haddon Heights, NJ USA On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:34:45 +0200, "Maurice de Graaf" wrote : > Hi all, > > I just joined the group and I thought I should introduce myself. I'm Maurice > and I live in the Netherlands. Yep that is right, that small country almost > without any minerals.... I'm a systematic mineral collector. Just for fun I > started a website about uranium mineralogy. I'm always in need for > additional information, mainly about uranium localities worldwide. For each > locality I'm interested in the mineralogy, geology and history. > > So if you have any information for me let me know. I would appreciate it. > You can contact me via this group, or by one of the 'mail me' links on my > site. Check out http://home.hetnet.nl/~mlddegraaf > > Thanks, > Maurice > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 09:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 24 08:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823113738.02ea9e50@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020823120833.02eb0680@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020823150642.02e95bf0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D67A272.73952262@earthlink.net> Kitty: Sorry you married a crazy man>>>Grin/ Smoke jumper. . God, that is something I have admired but have always said, I will never be. NEVER. Kim sounds interesting too. WOW. I lead mineral collecting safaris to Mexico, China, Peru, and Tanzania. That sounds tame compared to the rest of you. Walt Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Put "Kim Heacox" into a search on the Internet and you'll find books and > projects by Bill's brother. He's been a park ranger (as well as > photographer and writer) in some mighty interesting places. His field is > more ecology than geology, but as you know, as a ranger you often do it > all. He's been a naturalist and interpreter for trips to the Galapagos, > Antarctica, the Falklands, Death Valley, Glacier Bay, Denali, etc. Last > year he participated as the main photographer in retracing the 1899 > Harriman Expedition of the Alaska coast. Bill and I manned a fire lookout > tower for the Forest Service years ago, and he was a Smoke Jumper for > several summers. Rockhounds tend to do things like that, I've observed. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 06:37 PM 8/23/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >KItty > > > >Should have remembered from your prior letters. WHen I lived in Honolulu, I > >worked for 3 months as a seasonal Ranger at Volcanos National Park. I went > >back to the mainland and worked as a seasonal ranger at Lake Powell, my > >longest lasting seasonal job, for 4 seasons. Loved it in Volcanos. It was > >great. Loved hiking down into some of the areas and seeing the various vents. > >Mostly just stayed up top and gave lectures. > > > >Walt > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 10:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Nance) Date: Sat Aug 24 09:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites Message-ID: <002501c24b8a$1ea07f00$1d64ae18@houston.rr.com> Hi Gang, I will visiting Flagstaff Arizona and Reno Nevada in early October. I = would appreciate any information you may have on collecting sites in = these areas. I collect minerals, fossils and do lapidary work. Thanks Jim Nance --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 12:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 24 11:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" Message-ID: <19a.793db0f.2a99259e@aol.com> In keeping with the diamond thread. Did anyone see the special on one of those news programs about the diamond find in Canada??? Whew..makes one want to jump in a vehicle and drive up there. I really enjoyed that show!! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 13:04:11 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 24 12:04:11 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area Message-ID: <26.2cbcf6cd.2a993101@aol.com> This, of course, explains the newly forming stalactities in a mine in the Sangre DeCristos. My 13 year old nephew and I came across it hiking two years ago. He asked if there would be any stalactities in it, and I, pompous uncle that I was, said that it was not possible. This was igneous rock after all. Well, he found the first stalactities, and I had to do some fast hemming and hawing. (-: John Scully In a message dated 8/20/02 10:14:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lanny@mineralnews.com writes: << Subj: Re: [Rockhounds] area Date: 8/20/02 10:14:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: lanny@mineralnews.com Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Hi Kitty, Calcite in volcanic rocks, even young ones is common. Calcite forms easily at low temperatures, so if it doesn't form related to the cooling stages of the lavas, it still may form by surface conditions (surface waters leaching Ca from one area and depositing it in another). >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 14:37:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 24 13:37:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <002501c24b8a$1ea07f00$1d64ae18@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <3D67EE30.C6F6141E@earthlink.net> Jim write to Scott Kleine at scottkleine@greatbasinminerals.com He should know the Reno area for you. Don't know much about the Flagstaff area, but north of there on the sides of the highway are pieces of petrified wood. This is out past Cameron, on 89 going up into the Lake powell area. I found a nice limb section about 2 inches long and an inch across that was replaced by uranium compounds. Only slightly radioactive. Hope you get some responses. Walt Jim Nance wrote: > Hi Gang, > I will visiting Flagstaff Arizona and Reno Nevada in early October. I would appreciate any information you may have on collecting sites in these areas. I collect minerals, fossils and do lapidary work. > Thanks > Jim Nance > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 14:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 24 13:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <19a.793db0f.2a99259e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D67F0FD.8E659CB2@earthlink.net> The diamond find in Canada is about 10 or more years old. Floaters have been turning up in glacial deposits and such for years. One guy really persevered and found the pipe, near Yellow Knife lake????? I think. DeBeers had bought into the holdings several years ago. I would also mention that now several pipes have been located. We also have kimberilite pipes here in New Mexico and on the Colorado Wyoming border. So far, not much diamond production from the domestic product. Walt CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > In keeping with the diamond thread. Did anyone see the special on one of > those news programs about the diamond find in Canada??? > Whew..makes one want to jump in a vehicle and drive up there. > I really enjoyed that show!! > Jackie > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 24 19:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (williams) Date: Sat Aug 24 18:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites Message-ID: <003201c24bf7$5546bde0$cd6be9d1@oemcomputer> Jim, As far as Flagstaff goes, I can't help you. Reno is another story. How are you getting to reno--which highway? Will you have 4 wheel drive? How far would you want to drive from Reno? I know a lot of areas to go to find minerals and depending on when you will be there, I could either tell you where and how if you want to e-mail the information that I just asked to me privately, or, if it is a good time, I might be able to lead you there in person as I am almost always ready for a field trip to place like Majuba Hill and others. By the way, I live in El Dorado County California--2 hours from Reno and I collect Micro Minerals mostly--I am also NOT a dealer. Jim Williams -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nance To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites >Hi Gang, >I will visiting Flagstaff Arizona and Reno Nevada in early October. I would appreciate any information you may have on collecting sites in these areas. I collect minerals, fossils and do lapidary work. >Thanks >Jim Nance > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 00:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Sat Aug 24 23:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <19a.793db0f.2a99259e@aol.com> <3D67F0FD.8E659CB2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D687F3F.A3B70651@cox.net> Walt, There was a Diamond Show in San Diego at The Museum of Natural History, it had the whole history of the perseverance of the gent who found the markers for these diamonds. Quite a wonderful story. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 05:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Aug 25 04:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" Message-ID: <83.1fad9f63.2a9a1a6c@aol.com> you can still track down the original web pages that talk about the minerals the guy was prospecting for on the web. Very interesting. This was before the big finds were anounced and many of the areas he was looking at were leased but he did find the main area he thought was the best producer after all. Very interesting to think that gems were strewn on the top of the earth.I beleive the article talked about emerald being on the surface in some areas and the guy was looking for diamonds. I will have to see if it is still likned to my site. Any one every hear much about the tourmaline being found in colapsed pockets in alaska? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 07:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Aug 25 06:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <19a.793db0f.2a99259e@aol.com> <3D67F0FD.8E659CB2@earthlink.net> <3D687F3F.A3B70651@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D68D9A1.943D35FB@earthlink.net> Yeas, Teresa, He was quite a guy. He didn't benefit from it as much as he might have, however, as I remember. Walt TAM wrote: > Walt, > There was a Diamond Show in San Diego at The Museum of Natural History, > it had the whole history of the perseverance of the gent who found the > markers for these diamonds. Quite a wonderful story. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 08:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Aug 25 07:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible E-mail problems Message-ID: <002601c24c3f$0fa1ae60$3b5204d0@jim> It seems that my primary ISP, adsnet, is blocking mail from some ISPs = in an effort to block SPAM. I recently heard from my sister that mail to = us bounced. If anyone has experienced any problems in reaching us, try using our = alternate address: sauktown1@yahoo.com Thanks, Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 09:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Aug 25 08:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" References: <83.1fad9f63.2a9a1a6c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D68F272.D922EF6D@earthlink.net> The gems were not exactly "strewn" on top of the ground. They were in float and tracked to the source. One pipe is in the middle of a lake. I have heard of the tourmaline. A friend from Scotland was up there visiting a mining operation and they showed it to him. Walt Gemelbaite@aol.com wrote: > you can still track down the original web pages that talk about the minerals > the guy was prospecting for on the web. Very interesting. This was before the > big finds were anounced and many of the areas he was looking at were leased > but he did find the main area he thought was the best producer after all. > Very interesting to think that gems were strewn on the top of the earth.I > beleive the article talked about emerald being on the surface in some areas > and the guy was looking for diamonds. I will have to see if it is still > likned to my site. > > Any one every hear much about the tourmaline being found in colapsed pockets > in alaska? > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 11:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Aug 25 10:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] area In-Reply-To: <26.2cbcf6cd.2a993101@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow, that is an unsual one, but calcite is so easily dissolved and transported that it could be deposited in an opening in any type of rock, even a large distance from the origin. Or even a crack in the wall of your basement. Lanny >This, of course, explains the newly forming stalactities in a mine in the >Sangre DeCristos. My 13 year old nephew and I came across it hiking two >years ago. He asked if there would be any stalactities in it, and I, pompous >uncle that I was, said that it was not possible. This was igneous rock after >all. Well, he found the first stalactities, and I had to do some fast >hemming and hawing. > >(-: > >John Scully > >In a message dated 8/20/02 10:14:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >lanny@mineralnews.com writes: > ><< Subj: Re: [Rockhounds] area > Date: 8/20/02 10:14:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time > From: lanny@mineralnews.com > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Hi Kitty, > > Calcite in volcanic rocks, even young ones is common. Calcite forms easily > at low temperatures, so if it doesn't form related to the cooling stages of > the lavas, it still may form by surface conditions (surface waters leaching > Ca from one area and depositing it in another). >> >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 12:01:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sun Aug 25 11:01:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <003201c24bf7$5546bde0$cd6be9d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000f01c24c60$91ab76e0$194227c4@horstspc> Hi Jim, Reading the remarks from Jim Williams, where he speaks about Arizona and 4 wheel drive vehicles, reminds me of the time I attended the Tucson Show in February 1995, The Fluorescent Mineral Society arranged a meeting for its members attending Tucson, which I also attended. The main theme of the meeting was what the FMS was going to do in Tucson the following year, to celebrate its 25th year of existence. A series of 25 (I think) fluorescent show cases were planned to be put on exhibition. The FMS also thought about organising a rockhunt for fluorescent minerals for its members during the Show period, but this idea was scrapped, as apparently there is a law or regulation in Arizona that if you hire a 4 wheel drive from a car rental firm, you may only travel with this vehicle on tarred roads!! Thus, no travelling on gravel roads, which rather seems ridiculous, as that what a 4 wheel drive vehicle is for. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "williams" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > Jim, > > As far as Flagstaff goes, I can't help you. Reno is another story. How are > you getting to reno--which highway? > Will you have 4 wheel drive? How far would you want to drive from Reno? I > know a lot of areas to go to find minerals and depending on when you will be > there, I could either tell you where and how if you want to e-mail the > information that I just asked to me privately, or, if it is a good time, I > might be able to lead you there in person as I am almost always ready for a > field trip to place like Majuba Hill and others. By the way, I live in El > Dorado County California--2 hours from Reno and I collect Micro Minerals > mostly--I am also NOT a dealer. > > Jim Williams > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nance > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > > > >Hi Gang, > >I will visiting Flagstaff Arizona and Reno Nevada in early October. I would > appreciate any information you may have on collecting sites in these areas. > I collect minerals, fossils and do lapidary work. > >Thanks > >Jim Nance > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 12:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Aug 25 11:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle area collecting References: Message-ID: <002e01c24c60$61b63e20$ca84a141@jgcornish> Hi Paul and Everyone, Just back from a trip to central Idaho. If you've not left yet and I can help, drop me an email and we'll talk further if you'd like. Your not coming over with Eric are you? All the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Seattle area collecting > Hi Paul, > > As suggested already, check out Bob Jackson's web site and see if you can > make one of his trips, especially a Spruce quartz/pyrite trip. > http://www.geologyadventures.com/ > > There are some zeolite locations within a "few hours" of Seattle, perhaps > John Cornish can help, he is a frequent contributor to this list. Email him > at: > j&gcornish@tenforward.com > > There aren't any pegmatites of significance to collect in, but Western > Washington does have many quartz locations (mostly just east of Seattle, > but most are on claims) and zeolite localities (mostly in the SW part of > the state). > > Good luck, > > Lanny > > > > >Folks: > > > >Can anyone suggest collecting areas within a few hours of Seattle, > >Washington? I'm interested in zeolites, pegmatites, other crystalline > >minerals (not agate or fossils). > > > >Paul Gilmore > >Andover, MA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 14:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Sun Aug 25 13:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: New Mexico book References: <002e01c24c60$61b63e20$ca84a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <3D694672.65BC770A@mindspring.com> I still have a new copy of Steve Voynicks excellent book, New Mexico Rockhounding for $20 which includes shipping. If interested give me a shout. LD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 14:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Sun Aug 25 13:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Roadside Geology books References: <002e01c24c60$61b63e20$ca84a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <3D69478C.A6A8C979@mindspring.com> I never heard from a person who ordered a number of the Roadside books so I still have the followong editions at very reasonable prices: Agents of Chaos [earthquakes, volcanoes, etc], Fire Mountains of the West [Cascades and Mono Lk Volcanoes], Roadside Geology of N. CA, Yellowstone area, CO, OR, ID, and AZ. Give me a shout and I will return msg with a price. Thanks, LD. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 18:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sun Aug 25 17:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds References: <2F41C247.3C3D5F5C.02180873@aol.com> <3D66AB69.3DC0D322@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008e01c24c99$58499600$0201a8c0@ferrari> Hello all, I remember a few weeks ago that there was a thread about people selling "unsearched" emeralds on Ebay. I am one of the people who were gullible enough to buy into that scam. I guess I got what I deserved but I did come away with some pretty (if very small) tumbled emeralds. My question to the group is this: Are there reputable places to buy small quantities of unsearched gemstones such as emeralds, rubies, and sapphires? Thanks, Paul in New Jersey From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 19:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 25 18:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds References: <2F41C247.3C3D5F5C.02180873@aol.com> <3D66AB69.3DC0D322@earthlink.net> <008e01c24c99$58499600$0201a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: <3D698955.4B8A@Tomaszewski.net> No emeralds, but a gemmy elbaite looks like one. Ed Quo (Quo's Collectables) sells unsearched 'pocket mud' from the Himalaya Tourmalene Mine in California. My first batch produced six varieties of tourmaline (some very gemmy) and eleven other minerals, including good crystals of apatite, lepidolite, and clevelandite. YMMV. I am just a satisfied customer (waiting for a second order to arrive). Contact Ed at edq882@socal.rr.com. Paul Hewitt wrote: > > Hello all, > > I remember a few weeks ago that there was a thread about people selling > "unsearched" emeralds on Ebay. I am one of the people who were gullible > enough to buy into that scam. I guess I got what I deserved but I did come > away with some pretty (if very small) tumbled emeralds. > > My question to the group is this: > > Are there reputable places to buy small quantities of unsearched gemstones > such as emeralds, rubies, and sapphires? > > Thanks, > > Paul in New Jersey > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 22:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Aug 25 21:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] books order typo correction In-Reply-To: <3D69478C.A6A8C979@mindspring.com> References: <002e01c24c60$61b63e20$ca84a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825180441.02eb8990@mail.aloha.net> Hi Larry, I just looked back at my msg today---which I wrote in a hurry because I wanted to grab the books before someone else did---I wrote "AX" instead of AZ. I'm pretty sure you must have figured that out, though! Aloha, Kitty At 03:09 PM 8/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I never heard from a person who ordered a number of the Roadside books >so I still have the followong editions at very reasonable prices: Agents >of Chaos [earthquakes, volcanoes, etc], Fire Mountains of the West >[Cascades and Mono Lk Volcanoes], Roadside Geology of N. CA, Yellowstone >area, CO, OR, ID, and AZ. Give me a shout and I will return msg with a >price. Thanks, LD. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Aug 25 22:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Aug 25 21:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ooops, sorry In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825180441.02eb8990@mail.aloha.net> References: <3D69478C.A6A8C979@mindspring.com> <002e01c24c60$61b63e20$ca84a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825184416.02eb8ec0@mail.aloha.net> Hi group, I hit return without engaging brain. Sorry. Kitty At 06:10 PM 8/25/2002 -1000, you wrote: >Hi Larry, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 02:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Mon Aug 26 01:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fulgerite meets Coprolite References: <2F41C247.3C3D5F5C.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c24cdc$7adfd240$d14227c4@horstspc> Hi all, On the subject of fulgurites (note correct spelling), it brings back some memories when I found some fulgurites in the Kalahari Desert in 1967. It goes back a long time. Our fledgling Federation of South African Gem and Mineralogical Societies were planning their first Easter GEMBOREE, venue being Kuruman in the Northwestern Cape. (The KMF had not yet then received all the publicity of their mineral wealth at that time. The Dieter Schidlowski family and our family (total four adults and five children) decided to spend a week prior to the GEMBOREE in that area, doing some gem and mineral collecting. One evening we stopped over at "Brulsand" (Afrikaans for "Roaring Sands). We camped out in the open (today it is a holiday resort with chalets and camping ground) and the next morning early, a local Griqua man (about 80 years old), took Dieter and myself into the dunes, looking for fulgurites. We found a couple, until I discovered a rather thick one (about 8 mm across on x-section) sticking vertically out of the sand dune for about 60 mm. Careful digging, eventually produced a fulgurite about 30 cm long!!. This was carefully nursed for the rest of the journey, including the GEMBOREE in Kuruman and took an honoured place in my collection. Unfortunately, during 1975 (whilst moving my mineral collection from an outside room into my present rock study in the basement (built especially for this purpose - 7,2 x 2,8 metres). this fulgurite broke into three equal pieces. I know I glued two of these pieces together. During a subsequent visit to this site in the nineties, I searched for an hour in the blazing midday sun, did not find a single fulgurite. Eventually bought a condensed milk tin full of small ones for the equivalent of ONE US dollar (at today's rate of exchange) Also on that 1967 trip, we spent some time on a farm where tiger's eye was being quarried. Here I learnt some lessons in actual economics!!. The farmer took Dieter and myself in his LDV up into the mountains. Here the miners were digging for tiger's eye, some places they had to remove up to one metre of overburden, before striking a vein of tiger's eye (which could vary from, 1 to 10 cm). They then dug this out, loaded it into 200 lb maize bags and then loaded them onto donkeys, each donkey carrying two bags, the shepherding them down to the farmhouse (about 3 miles away), then pay the miners 2 cents per lb. He would sell it to the gem and mineral shop in Prieska (some 40 miles away) at 5 cents per lb and the dealer sell it to the public at 30 cents per pound. (At that time one Rand (100 cents) was worth about US$4,00; today we have pay close on eleven Rand to get ONE US dollar!! Some years later. a group of American rockhounds visited South Africa. They also came to Prieska and one member wrote an article on this trip in "The Lapidary Journal". He had a photo of a shop in Prieska whose name was "Rokwinkel". His caption said it was the local rock shop, but :"Rokwinkel" (an Afrikaans word) means ladies dress shop!! (I have been unable to trace this issue of the Lap Journal) Regards, Horst PS. Oh yes, Brulsand is about halfway between Kuruman and Upington, but quite a distance south of the N14, linking these two towns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fulgerite meets Coprolite > I was working on a factory a number of years ago and we had 2-34 KV feeder lines coming into the plant. The primary feeder dropped out so we went to the switching station to bring up the other feeder. The mechanism failed and 34,000 volts at high amps dropped to dead ground in a spectacular flash that vaporized the copper bar stabs in the switch. The system basic design made sure nobody got hurt (except for heart attacks). I didn;t even think about the fact that we probably created a fulgerite in the sandy soil. Probably there to this day. I was too worried about the coprolite in my shorts. > > :-) > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 07:50:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Mon Aug 26 06:50:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds In-Reply-To: <008e01c24c99$58499600$0201a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: So... what DID you get? Can you take a photo and post it somewhere? (Or... you can send it to me & I'll post it on my site. Regards, Gary Check out: www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Hewitt Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:41 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds Hello all, I remember a few weeks ago that there was a thread about people selling "unsearched" emeralds on Ebay. ..... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 09:22:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Aug 26 08:22:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds References: <2F41C247.3C3D5F5C.02180873@aol.com> <3D66AB69.3DC0D322@earthlink.net> <008e01c24c99$58499600$0201a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: <000c01c24d15$60900b60$c806efd1@oemcomputer> The sapphire mines of Yogo Gulch, Montana, sell bags of sapphire-bearing gravel. Never seen one, but from what I've heard they're pretty good. Search the net or look for an ad in Lapidary Journal. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hewitt" To: Sent: August 25, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds > Hello all, > > I remember a few weeks ago that there was a thread about people selling > "unsearched" emeralds on Ebay. I am one of the people who were gullible > enough to buy into that scam. I guess I got what I deserved but I did come > away with some pretty (if very small) tumbled emeralds. > > My question to the group is this: > > Are there reputable places to buy small quantities of unsearched gemstones > such as emeralds, rubies, and sapphires? > > Thanks, > > Paul in New Jersey > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 13:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC) Date: Mon Aug 26 12:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds Message-ID: <532959E93CBBF04C95B569B9EEABC5A932B381@wadchqsxe01.usa.dce.usps.gov> All: Hmmm... I think this is a very large and open question. There are many fee-operated places that sell dirt/gravel in various states for purchasers to root through. Some are pure mine run. That is, the dirt is direct from the diggings, unwashed and ungraded. Others wash and grade to some degree before selling. The relative quality of each is dependent upon the specific mine operator. For the most part, I prefer to dig in the ground myself. But there are certain instances where for lack of opportunity or time I purchase a bag, sack, bucket, or dozer pile. Some have been very good experiences... Others were definitely a learning experience and I wouldn't buy from them again. On a personal basis I have purchased a sack of Yogo Gulch gravel. It was very productive in that from one 10-pound sack of gravel I got over twenty sapphires. Now are they valuable? No, there isn't much of a buying market for mostly clear and zoned sapphires under 1 carat (before cutting). Nor would I think that anyone will ever find a larger sapphire, because I believe the gravel had already been graded for size and quite likely for color. I still enjoyed finding the sapphires and even had a few cut. I've also bought gravel from the Topaz mine in Colorado. http://www.topazmtgemmine.com/ I found a few, but very nice Topazes in a large (6 gallon) bucket... The mine owners freely admit to sizing the gravel, so no large ones (say above half an inch smallest diameter) should be found in the cheaper buckets. The more expensive (larger gravel, above half inch smallest diameter) buckets come with the caveat that the mine must cut the Topazes for you (for a fee). Still, I am very pleased with the Topazes I received in my bucket of gravel. And I saw some incredible Topazes that they had found that day in the larger gravel. I plan to buy another bucket someday... Only they do not sell mail order. One must go to the mine. Yes, I have had disappointments, but I learn and refuse to purchase more from those sources. I'm sure many others could also relate specific instances about purchasing the dirt/gravel. Now back to your question: I believe your question might be reframed as "Can you get fair value in a purchased amount of gravel?" The answer is yes. Especially for the time value saved, so that you do not have to locate a mineral site, identify where to dig, dig, sort and wash and then identify your finds. Now as to finding fair value in a bag of emerald bearing gravel on Ebay... Well, all I can say is "Caveat Emptor". Especially when the vendor insists their gravel/dirt might have emeralds or rubies of value... When a stone might run into $Thousands per carat it is more worth their while to search for that stone, than to sell the bags to you. It is an equitable statement that you will get fair value from the reputable dealers... But fair value is what you paid, not the statistically unlikely, extremely valuable gem. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA TKowalsk@email.usps.gov -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jokela [mailto:tjokela@execulink.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:30 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds The sapphire mines of Yogo Gulch, Montana, sell bags of sapphire-bearing gravel. Never seen one, but from what I've heard they're pretty good. Search the net or look for an ad in Lapidary Journal. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hewitt" To: Sent: August 25, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds > Hello all, > > I remember a few weeks ago that there was a thread about people selling > "unsearched" emeralds on Ebay. I am one of the people who were gullible > enough to buy into that scam. I guess I got what I deserved but I did come > away with some pretty (if very small) tumbled emeralds. > > My question to the group is this: > > Are there reputable places to buy small quantities of unsearched gemstones > such as emeralds, rubies, and sapphires? > > Thanks, > > Paul in New Jersey > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 14:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Mon Aug 26 13:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds References: <532959E93CBBF04C95B569B9EEABC5A932B381@wadchqsxe01.usa.dce.usps.gov> Message-ID: <3D6A917D.9B4E1FFD@mindspring.com> I have bought sapphire gravel at Gem Mtn and especially with their new mine site I feel that the rewards are worth the price. I have seen some sapphires of 50cts found in the bucket gravels. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 16:10:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 26 15:10:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds Message-ID: <3c.233a59de.2a9c012f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2002 8:42:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul: How can a small quantity of a precious gemstone possibly be unsearched, unless the collector, middleman, second middleman, and retailer are all unable to see? There ARE many dealers who sell rough for reasonable rates and let the individual select stones to cut; but the rough is reasonalbly priced, not dirt cheap. While not unsearched, these represent a reasonable value. Gene pbhewitt@comcast.net writes: > Are there reputable places to buy small quantities of unsearched gemstones > such as emeralds, rubies, and sapphires? > > Thanks, > > Paul in New Jersey --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 16:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Aug 26 15:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds In-Reply-To: <532959E93CBBF04C95B569B9EEABC5A932B381@wadchqsxe01.usa.dce.usps.gov> Message-ID: When we were out in Colorado we just stumbled across a topaz mine, northwest of Lake George. We bought a bag and found a couple of good stones in it, one about 2 cm X .7 X .7 and the other a bit smaller. The were several really small ones too. I've been thinking about getting it irradiated and cut. This guy, who was older than the hills, does sell mailorder but I don't recall the name of the place. Bryan -----Original Message----- I've also bought gravel from the Topaz mine in Colorado. http://www.topazmtgemmine.com/ I found a few, but very nice Topazes in a large (6 gallon) bucket... The mine owners freely admit to sizing the gravel, so no large ones (say above half an inch smallest diameter) should be found in the cheaper buckets. The more expensive (larger gravel, above half inch smallest diameter) buckets come with the caveat that the mine must cut the Topazes for you (for a fee). Still, I am very pleased with the Topazes I received in my bucket of gravel. And I saw some incredible Topazes that they had found that day in the larger gravel. I plan to buy another bucket someday... Only they do not sell mail order. One must go to the mine. From: Tim Jokela [mailto:tjokela@execulink.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:30 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 19:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Nance) Date: Mon Aug 26 18:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <003201c24bf7$5546bde0$cd6be9d1@oemcomputer> <000f01c24c60$91ab76e0$194227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <001401c24d67$7635c200$1d64ae18@houston.rr.com> Hi Horst, Thanks for the great story! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "horstwindisch" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > Hi Jim, > > Reading the remarks from Jim Williams, where he speaks about Arizona and 4 > wheel drive vehicles, reminds me of the time I attended the Tucson Show in > February 1995, The Fluorescent Mineral Society arranged a meeting for its > members attending Tucson, which I also attended. The main theme of the > meeting was what the FMS was going to do in Tucson the following year, to > celebrate its 25th year of existence. A series of 25 (I think) fluorescent > show cases were planned to be put on exhibition. The FMS also thought about > organising a rockhunt for fluorescent minerals for its members during the > Show period, but this idea was scrapped, as apparently there is a law or > regulation in Arizona that if you hire a 4 wheel drive from a car rental > firm, you may only travel with this vehicle on tarred roads!! Thus, no > travelling on gravel roads, which rather seems ridiculous, as that what a 4 > wheel drive vehicle is for. > > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "williams" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > > > > Jim, > > > > As far as Flagstaff goes, I can't help you. Reno is another story. How are > > you getting to reno--which highway? > > Will you have 4 wheel drive? How far would you want to drive from Reno? I > > know a lot of areas to go to find minerals and depending on when you will > be > > there, I could either tell you where and how if you want to e-mail the > > information that I just asked to me privately, or, if it is a good time, I > > might be able to lead you there in person as I am almost always ready for > a > > field trip to place like Majuba Hill and others. By the way, I live in El > > Dorado County California--2 hours from Reno and I collect Micro Minerals > > mostly--I am also NOT a dealer. > > > > Jim Williams > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Nance > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Date: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:22 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > > > > > > >Hi Gang, > > >I will visiting Flagstaff Arizona and Reno Nevada in early October. I > would > > appreciate any information you may have on collecting sites in these > areas. > > I collect minerals, fossils and do lapidary work. > > >Thanks > > >Jim Nance > > > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > >multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > >--- > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 19:18:31 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 26 18:18:31 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" Message-ID: <155.13206681.2a9c2d28@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/02 11:09:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CRAZYDOVE@aol.com writes: > Whew..makes one want to jump in a vehicle and drive up there. > I really enjoyed that show!! > I didn't see that but there was a discovery of diamonds near Table Mountain in Butte Co., CA in the early 1900s. It was purchased by DeBeers and never developed. The land has been off limits for about 100 years now but it has not produced enough diamond to make a small diamond blade or one burr for carving. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 19:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Aug 26 18:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites Message-ID: <116.161f8704.2a9c2e80@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/02 9:21:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gemnance@houston.rr.com writes: > > I will visiting Flagstaff Arizona and Reno Nevada in early October. I would > appreciate any information you may have on collecting sites in these areas. If you have the time the pay sites in Virgin Valley are good for opal. I don't know if they stay open through October but if you can get to them on a cool day it is probably worth doing. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Aug 26 22:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Aug 26 21:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) In-Reply-To: <004801c24a8b$2e77ade0$c79e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: Hi Axel, Yes, you are correct. I didn't think about an outcrop catching on fire. But as soon as someone starts to dig the outcrop (as a quarry or mine), it would not be natural if it caught on fire. Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:55 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) I don't know Bob. Think of an outcrop of coal. Coal layers can be a thin as a centimeter but also meters thick. Such an outcrop can easily be set ablaze by a forestfire or lightning. This probably happened long before man was hare to watch it. You can find even stranger things if you look around. Take a peek at the natural nuclear reactor at Oklo, Gabon. That went on for more than a 1.000 years. http://www.ymp.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.htm http://www.alamut.com/proj/98/nuclearGarden/bookTexts/Lovelock_Oklo.html http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/oklo.htm This one's even better ;-))))) http://www3.cosmiverse.com/news/science/science06120203.html Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:29 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | One could even say that all minerals created by a mine fire MUST have some | degree of human involvement because every mine is created by humans. | | Just something to think about... | | Bob Loeffler | President and webmaster | North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) | http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ | and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) | | Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at: | http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ | | | -----Original Message----- | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H | Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | | | | While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came | across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to | us: | | " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a | special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human | involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not | accepted as minerals." | | At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people | were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or | whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a | fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, | isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a | fire was accidental or intentional. | | Don | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 00:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Aug 26 23:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826195537.00a98890@mail.aloha.net> Hi group, Here's a funny: We've been using e-mail almost since it was first available...what, 10 years ago?...and I've never before figured out what the "red pepper" icon meant on incoming mail (we use Eudora). Tonight I finally began fiddling with "Tools" and found that those peppers are under the category of "MoodWatch," and are warning of what might be "offensive." So I looked back to find anything with peppers in our discarded material, and found one with 2 peppers = "message probably offensive." It was from the thread back in February on making spheres, and here are the words that probably caused the peppers: VIBRATORY, LEATHER, SCREW, NIPPLE. Pretty wild stuff we're talking about, right? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 02:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 27 01:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: Message-ID: <002901c24da5$c4639b80$9f9e77d5@pandora.be> That is absolutely true. A friend of mine came up with another argument, however: The IMA has recognized minerals that came into being as a result of human actions. Think of many MM that we find on the waste heaps of mines. If I recall right, mammothite is one of them? Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | Hi Axel, | | Yes, you are correct. I didn't think about an outcrop catching on fire. But | as soon as someone starts to dig the outcrop (as a quarry or mine), it would | not be natural if it caught on fire. | | Bob | | -----Original Message----- | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann | Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:55 AM | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | | | I don't know Bob. Think of an outcrop of coal. Coal layers can be a thin as | a centimeter but also meters thick. Such an outcrop can easily be set ablaze | by a forestfire or lightning. | This probably happened long before man was hare to watch it. | You can find even stranger things if you look around. Take a peek at the | natural nuclear reactor at Oklo, Gabon. That went on for more than a 1.000 | years. | http://www.ymp.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.htm | http://www.alamut.com/proj/98/nuclearGarden/bookTexts/Lovelock_Oklo.html | http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/oklo.htm | | This one's even better ;-))))) | http://www3.cosmiverse.com/news/science/science06120203.html | | Axel Emmermann | Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen | Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties | Home : Lobbesplein 12 | B-2640 Mortsel | Belgium | Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 | E-mail: | axel.emmermann@pandora.be | Visit our homepage: | http://www.minerant.org/index.html | Bezoek onze web-site: | http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html | My own web-site: | http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Bob Loeffler" | To: | Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:29 AM | Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | | | | One could even say that all minerals created by a mine fire MUST have some | | degree of human involvement because every mine is created by humans. | | | | Just something to think about... | | | | Bob Loeffler | | President and webmaster | | North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) | | http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ | | and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) | | | | Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at: | | http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ | | | | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H | | Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM | | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | | | | | | | | While researching my latest post in the "zincite" thread, I also came | | across a paragraph in the IMA publication of some esoteric interest to | | us: | | | | " . . . Chemical compounds caused by mine fires are considered to be a | | special case, as it is not always clear whether there has been human | | involvement in initiating the fire, and such subtances are therefore not | | accepted as minerals." | | | | At this point I must pause and wonder if the author imagined that people | | were setting mine fires for the purpose of creating new minerals (!), or | | whether he meant accidental human involvement (but it is rare to have a | | fire start in a mine without some direct or indirect human involvement, | | isn't it?), and whether it matters if the human involvement in such a | | fire was accidental or intentional. | | | | Don | | _______________________________________________ | | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | | Subscription Services: | | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | | Subscription Services: | | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 05:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Aug 27 04:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826195537.00a98890@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Ah, Email has been around since the 1970's. It was the original application for the pre-Internet. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 01:31 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" Hi group, Here's a funny: We've been using e-mail almost since it was first available...what, 10 years ago?...and I've never before figured out what the "red pepper" icon meant on incoming mail (we use Eudora). Tonight I finally began fiddling with "Tools" and found that those peppers are under the category of "MoodWatch," and are warning of what might be "offensive." So I looked back to find anything with peppers in our discarded material, and found one with 2 peppers = "message probably offensive." It was from the thread back in February on making spheres, and here are the words that probably caused the peppers: VIBRATORY, LEATHER, SCREW, NIPPLE. Pretty wild stuff we're talking about, right? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 09:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 27 08:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826195537.00a98890@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D6B9CEA.5D62E2C6@earthlink.net> Kitty I love it when you talk dirty. HEHEHE Walt Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi group, > > Here's a funny: > > We've been using e-mail almost since it was first available...what, 10 > years ago?...and I've never before figured out what the "red pepper" icon > meant on incoming mail (we use Eudora). Tonight I finally began fiddling > with "Tools" and found that those peppers are under the category of > "MoodWatch," and are warning of what might be "offensive." So I looked > back to find anything with peppers in our discarded material, and found one > with 2 peppers = "message probably offensive." It was from the thread back > in February on making spheres, and here are the words that probably caused > the peppers: VIBRATORY, LEATHER, SCREW, NIPPLE. Pretty wild stuff we're > talking about, right? > > Aloha, Kitty > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 10:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard Dale) Date: Tue Aug 27 09:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: <002901c24da5$c4639b80$9f9e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <004e01c24de3$389b1e00$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Hi Axel, et al- I think the key word here is "has", in the past tense. Another example is Jeromite, formed as a result of the United Verde fire. Based on those specimens alone, it would not be recognized as a species today (but pieces are now known to occurr in the Kami Mines in Cochabamba Dept. of Bolivia - which validates it as also being completely natural). Cheers, Richard www.dalerocks.com ------------------------------------------------------- ... A friend of mine came up with another argument, however: The IMA has recognized minerals that came into being as a result of human actions. Think of many MM that we find on the waste heaps of mines. If I recall right, mammothite is one of them? Axel Emmermann From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 10:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 09:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" Message-ID: <12777D51.5960FE9E.024134B5@aol.com> Well Kitty, Looks like we'll have to have adult pass passwords to view the rockhound list--lol http://hammerron.com/minerals.htm In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 1:30:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, kahako@aloha.net writes: > Hi group, > > Here's a funny: > > We've been using e-mail almost since it was first available...what, 10 > years ago?...and I've never before figured out what the "red pepper" icon > meant on incoming mail (we use Eudora). Tonight I finally began fiddling > with "Tools" and found that those peppers are under the category of > "MoodWatch," and are warning of what might be "offensive." So I looked > back to find anything with peppers in our discarded material, and found one > with 2 peppers = "message probably offensive." It was from the thread back > in February on making spheres, and here are the words that probably caused > the peppers: VIBRATORY, LEATHER, SCREW, NIPPLE. Pretty > wild stuff we're > talking about, right? > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 11:04:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 27 10:04:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826195537.00a98890@mail.aloha.net> <3D6B9CEA.5D62E2C6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001201c24dec$7fdb6320$9f9e77d5@pandora.be> I see two small yellow bananas on my screen. What does that mean? Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" | Kitty | | I love it when you talk dirty. | | HEHEHE | | Walt | | Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: | | > Hi group, | > | > Here's a funny: | > | > We've been using e-mail almost since it was first available...what, 10 | > years ago?...and I've never before figured out what the "red pepper" icon | > meant on incoming mail (we use Eudora). Tonight I finally began fiddling | > with "Tools" and found that those peppers are under the category of | > "MoodWatch," and are warning of what might be "offensive." So I looked | > back to find anything with peppers in our discarded material, and found one | > with 2 peppers = "message probably offensive." It was from the thread back | > in February on making spheres, and here are the words that probably caused | > the peppers: VIBRATORY, LEATHER, SCREW, NIPPLE. Pretty wild stuff we're | > talking about, right? | > | > Aloha, Kitty | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 | > | > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- | > multipart/mixed | > text/plain (text body -- kept) | > text/plain (text body -- kept) | > --- | > _______________________________________________ | > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > Subscription Services: | > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 11:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Aug 27 10:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826195537.00a98890@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020827071628.00a936e0@mail.aloha.net> I know that Bryan. I should have said "generally available." Kitty At 01:13 AM 8/27/2002, you wrote: >Ah, Email has been around since the 1970's. It was the original application >for the pre-Internet. > >Bryan > > > >We've been using e-mail almost since it was first available...what, 10 >years ago?... Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 11:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 27 10:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) References: <002901c24da5$c4639b80$9f9e77d5@pandora.be> <004e01c24de3$389b1e00$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <001f01c24dee$68f5f560$9f9e77d5@pandora.be> Yes! We had a rather interesting debate between MKA-members on that subject. One of them is a rabid collector of slag-minerals. Very beautiful stuff but some of us won't go near it! We made a CD-ROM about the locality of an old industrial site in Belgium and I took some 200+ photos of those "minerals". You should look at them because they are extremely nice. We still have some to sell if you're interested ;-)))))))))))) http://user.online.be/rdn/website.htm Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dale" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) | Hi Axel, et al- | | I think the key word here is "has", in the past tense. Another example is | Jeromite, formed as a result of the United Verde fire. Based on those | specimens alone, it would not be recognized as a species today (but pieces | are now known to occurr in the Kami Mines in Cochabamba Dept. of Bolivia - | which validates it as also being completely natural). | | Cheers, | Richard | www.dalerocks.com | ------------------------------------------------------- | ... A friend of mine came up with another argument, however: The IMA has | recognized minerals that came into being as a result of human actions. Think | of many MM that we find on the waste heaps of mines. If I | recall right, mammothite is one of them? | | Axel Emmermann | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 13:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 12:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite (epilogue) Message-ID: <1b9.5798f75.2a9d3078@aol.com> Thanks, Don. When I read your post that said man-made or synthetics were now regarded as minerals by the IMA, I had to reach down to the floor to pick up my jaw and had to cuff my head several times to get my eyes from the position they had rolled into. There are several IMA-approved decisions which I disagree with, but at least I didn't think they were mineralogical terrorists. Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 13:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 12:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) Message-ID: Dear Bob, I've thought about this for years. I try to take a purist stand on these too. There's an anecdote about Samuel Penfield. When Genth sent an article to American Journal of Science, in 1894, which was published at Yale University. Penfield was one of the editors. In those days, you didn't need the namee's permission to name a mineral for them. Penfield was complaining to one of the senior mineralogists on staff, George Brush. Brush cast a sympathetic eye Penfield's way and commiserated, "Yeah, look what they named after me!" Penfield evidentially got over the "insult" of having a slag "mineral" named for him as he published a short article on the crystallography of penfieldite in 1895. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 14:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 13:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minium question (epilogue) Message-ID: <89.1cf5f305.2a9d35d8@aol.com> There are a number of minerals which were first found in questionable geological environments which were later found in actual geological conditions. The real distinction is, "Why do we name minerals" or, perhaps better, "What qualifies as a mineral?" As long as there is a distinction between a natural gemstone and a synthetic gemstone, there'll be a distinction between a natural mineral and a "synthetic" mineral and its gradations - whether intentional or unintentional. I don't see many pieces of lepidocrocite after automobile for sale at mineral shows. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 15:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 14:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny "red peppers" Message-ID: <151.1321ccd0.2a9d4293@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/02 9:19:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Hammerron@aol.com writes: > > Looks like we'll have to have adult pass passwords to view the rockhound > list--lol There is a place online where you can check your computer for pornography, sexually explicit words, drug related terms, or even words associated with gambling. It is WWW.CONTENTAUDIT.COM However, on my computer it found 'lust' which is part of topazcluster.jpg. And it keeps finding 'agate.' I don't know what is bad about agate but the program finds it. It also found a whole bunch of words in a short story I wrote about meeting and marrying my second wife. We met in Berkeley in 1967 and I'm not going to say anymore about that except, --- I wrote those words and knew they were on my computer. It is kind of fun to run the program to see what it finds. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 15:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 14:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] unsearched emeralds Message-ID: <129.1684e53e.2a9d4e4e@aol.com> Try the Sapphire Gallery at www.sapphiregallery.com. They have some good deals from time to time on good bags of dirt. Pat Monroe From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 16:56:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 27 15:56:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don..a ? Zincite (epilogue) & minium References: <1b9.5798f75.2a9d3078@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D6C03A4.D4EA57E6@att.net> Van my man, I read this four times and can't figure out whether I should feel complimented or insulted! Semantics, I suppose. None the less, for all good readers, there is no mystery to it; the rules of the IMA have been collected here: http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/doc/abstracts/ima98/ima98.htm There are several articles on nomenclature and definitions. Everything I have been quoting derives from these pages. I think there are a few important articles that aren't represented, but the bulk of what you need to know to describe and name a mineral are found there. Don ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks, Don. When I read your post that said man-made or synthetics were now > regarded as minerals by the IMA, I had to reach down to the floor to pick up > my jaw and had to cuff my head several times to get my eyes from the position > they had rolled into. There are several IMA-approved decisions which I > disagree with, but at least I didn't think they were mineralogical terrorists. > > Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 19:05:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 18:05:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" Message-ID: Grant..do you know why DeBeers never did anything with it..other than the fact of keeping diamond supply down and prices up??? And although not many diamonds have been found or..looked for..do you know if this site is as good or thereabouts as the find in Canada? Thanks... Jackie In a message dated 8/26/02 9:19:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lapadary@aol.com writes: > I didn't see that but there was a discovery of diamonds near Table Mountain > in Butte Co., CA in the early 1900s. It was purchased by DeBeers and never > developed. The land has been off limits for about 100 years now but it has > not produced enough diamond to make a small diamond blade or one burr for > carving. > > Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 20:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 19:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "natural gems" Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/02 6:05:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CRAZYDOVE@aol.com writes: > do you know why DeBeers never did anything with it..other than the > fact of keeping diamond supply down and prices up??? I've never heard any other reason, except for keeping the supply down. There was never much written about the actuall mine DeBeers owns. I've learned a little bit by reading historical journals. Below is a reference I found online. -- From 1870-1886, the gold-mining town of Cherokee boomed with 17 saloons, eight hotels, three lodge halls, two churches, a school, a race track and its own brewery. President Rutherford B. Hayes and General Sherman visited Cherokee at the height of its boom times. More than 200 diamonds of commercial quality were also found. Old gold mining artifacts and other memorabilia from the pioneer era are on display at the Cherokee Museum. Take Table Mountain Blvd. To Cherokee Road. Call (530) 533-1849 for a tour. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 20:22:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 19:22:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] California diamonds Message-ID: Just How Many Diamonds are there on American Soil? As it turns out...more than some of us might think! 1853...California. The first diamond is discovered in the Cherokee district of Butte County. California deposits are likened to the diamantiferous gravel of Brazil. More diamonds are found, in five more counties: Amador, Butte, El Dorado, Nevada, and Trinity. It ain't only gold what's in them thar hills. 1869...Idaho. Some small diamonds have been found in the placer diggings of Idaho. They're found under the same conditions as those found in California...picked up by gold miners. A stir is created in the local papers. References are made as the abundant yeild of Idaho diamonds. Out of curiosity, how many of you out there thought Idaho was only potato country? There are more sites listed at http://www.tyler-adam.com/35.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 20:34:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Aug 27 19:34:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] more California diamonds Message-ID: <6a.252612c0.2a9d905e@aol.com> Gold Districts of California CHEROKEE Location and history. This district is in central Butte County, 12 miles north of Oroville on the north side of Table Mountain and in the vicinity of the town of Cherokee or Cherokee Flat. It was so named for a party of Cherokee Indians who migrated here in the 1850s to mine gold. It has also been known as the Spring Valley district. Most of the output has come from the single large hydraulic mine, which is estimated to have yielded about $15 million. The town reached its heyday in the middle 1870s when it had a population of about 700. Geology. The Tertiary placer deposits are associated with a west-trending channel. In this area the channel is in a trough about 700 feet wide. The sequence from bottom to top of the hydraulic pit is as follows: irregular greenstone gravel 5-10 feet thick that is lean in gold and contains local black clay streaks and minor basalt blocks; a rich 20- to 30-foot layer of coarse fresh blue gravel with large greenstone blocks, coarse and fine gold, small diamonds, and minor platinum (this layer yielded as much as several dollars per yard); several feet of decomposed gravel; 50 feet of sand and quartzitic gravel, the lower part of which yielded 25 cents per Yard; 200 feet of clayey sand; and 50 to 75 feet of massive basalt. Between 400 and 500 small diamonds were recovered from the gold-bearing gravels at the Cherokee mine. Several of the stones were more than two carats in weight and of good quality, but most were small and had a pale-yellow tinge. This is the best-known diamond-bearing locality in California. Excerpt from: Gold Districts of California, by: W.B. Clark, California Department of Conservation, Division of Mines and Geology, Bulletin 193, 1970. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 22:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Aug 27 21:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] California diamonds References: Message-ID: <3D6C4D7E.ABDBC8FC@earthlink.net> The problems with the diamonds found in CA and I suspect else where, is that there are few and they are small and no one knows where they came from. Walt Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > Just How Many Diamonds are there on American Soil? > > As it turns out...more than some of us might think! > > 1853...California. The first diamond is discovered in the Cherokee district > of Butte County. California deposits are likened to the diamantiferous gravel > of Brazil. More diamonds are found, in five more counties: Amador, Butte, El > Dorado, Nevada, and Trinity. It ain't only gold what's in them thar hills. > > 1869...Idaho. Some small diamonds have been found in the placer diggings of > Idaho. They're found under the same conditions as those found in > California...picked up by gold miners. A stir is created in the local papers. > References are made as the abundant yeild of Idaho diamonds. Out of > curiosity, how many of you out there thought Idaho was only potato country? > > There are more sites listed at > > http://www.tyler-adam.com/35.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Aug 27 23:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Tue Aug 27 22:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cherokee Mine Message-ID: <02af01c24e56$642fbf80$65601943@uswest.net> I grew up in the general area of the Cherokee Mine and have worked a = number of mineral and fossil sites in the immediate area. The DeBeers = connection is hearsay. A discovery near Oroville of a serpentinized = rock bearing a resemblance to the diamond pipes of South Africa led to = some active mining operations on the part of the United States Diamond = Mining Company, and a shaft was sunk, which proved not successful. The = rock is a hard eclogite differing in character from the kimberlite of = South Africa. These observations from the Minerals of California, = Bulletin 136, Division of Mines, 1948. I have worked the tailings directly to the fence boundary at the = bottom of the placer dugout that is the Cherokee Mine. It is not a mine = as such but a huge placer exposure that sent tons of debris down into = the Sacramento Valley and into the Sacramento River. Growing up in a = gold mining family the tales of diamonds at Cherokee caught my = attention. My father knew a man who had a "diamond" from Cherokee, and = I begged for a viewing. I held the tiny flat glistening thing in my = hand. I know now I was not looking at a diamond but probably a complex = spinel twin or perhaps an axinite crystal. Years later I was to find an = axinite vug within sight of the Cherokee Mine, filled with flattened = gemmy crystals. Eocene gravels from ancient streambeds are exposed in = many places in the Sierra foothills and the diamond finds in many of the = placer mines in the Gold Country appear to be part of these gravel = deposits...along with gold nuggets and dust. The 300+ diamond finds at = Cherokee are not a proven figure, as other minerals such as sapphire and = chrysoberyl were dubiously reported. I have panned the gravels that spread out for over 3 miles at the = base of the Cherokee mine and have found nothing. I have found some = very suitable fossil leaves that have been power washed out of the pink = and brown Eocene gravels and have made similar discoveries up and down = the Sierra foothill placer mines. =20 You are welcome to come and visit this wonderful country and see the = remains of what is left of Cherokee, but do not expect to find anything = but photo opportunities. The huge hole in Table Mountain, the Cherokee = Mine, is posted and sealed from visitors, as if one may be viewing a = Victorian crime scene. I have spent many years with an eye out for the = elusive California diamond and may still find one, but the complex = geology of the Sierra foothills is a continuing teacher. Danny Steward / --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 28 13:10:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green) Date: Wed Aug 28 12:10:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flint Knappers Gathering in Central Ohio, Licking County Message-ID: <001f01c24ec5$c849d180$9600000a@alltel.net> This Labor Day weekend, flint-Knappers from around the United=20 States are coming to southeastern Licking County. Flint Ridge=20 Education Specialist M.C. Hapi says the annual Flint Knap-In will be=20 held Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission is $5 per=20 carload and everyone is invited to participate in the weekend=20 activities... Hapi says, "Those who attend can learn to make a primitive bow and=20 arrow, try their hand at flint-knapping, and participate in atlatl=20 and dart-throwing contests. She adds, "Hapi says Flint Ridge is well- known to flint knappers from around the country and they usually get=20 together a couple of times a year." More than 150 flint knappers from various states attended last year's=20 Labor Day weekend event. This year, experts will be on hand Saturday=20 to look at artifacts and rocks, and the Museum will be open both days. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 28 20:34:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Wed Aug 28 19:34:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] My mineral website retrieved from the dump pile Message-ID: Folks: My tongue-in-cheek mineral website was tossed into oblivion when our ISP sold me down the river to a new company. Before it happened again I managed to navigate the nearly impenetrable directions for uploading to the new server. Check out "The Vugster" if you haven't already at: http://home.attbi.com/~paugilmo/page1a.html Paul Gilmore Andover, MA _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Aug 28 22:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 28 21:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "sandwhichite" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020828174545.00a9aa90@mail.aloha.net> Paul, A quick look at your "Mineral to call my own" topic on your site reminded me of something that occurred at a rock show at Bancroft, Ontario a couple of years ago. Bill and I had spent the entire morning eagerly prowling the tables and delighting in bargains and unusual specimens. Occasionally Bill would say something like, "Hey, look at what that guy is holding! Let's go take a look." Around noon, I glanced over at a dealer who had a really unusual piece in his hand. It was tan with a band of orange and dark pink, and perhaps a thin line of mustard yellow. I caught Bill's attention and we went closer...and saw the guy was holding a small portion of a ham sandwich! Aloha, Kitty At 04:33 PM 8/28/2002, you wrote: >Folks: > >My tongue-in-cheek mineral website... Paul Gilmore --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 29 16:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gordon Kummer) Date: Thu Aug 29 15:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flint Knappers Gathering in Central Ohio, Licking County In-Reply-To: <001f01c24ec5$c849d180$9600000a@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hey guys, Seeing as this in Licking County, shouldn't it be a gathering of agate lickers. Does this rate two chili peppers? Have a great Labor Day Holiday. Gordon Kummer > From: "Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green" > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:04:48 -0400 > To: > Subject: [Rockhounds] Flint Knappers Gathering in Central Ohio, Licking County > > This Labor Day weekend, flint-Knappers from around the United > States are coming to southeastern Licking County. Flint Ridge > Education Specialist M.C. Hapi says the annual Flint Knap-In will be > held Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission is $5 per > carload and everyone is invited to participate in the weekend > activities... > Hapi says, "Those who attend can learn to make a primitive bow and > arrow, try their hand at flint-knapping, and participate in atlatl > and dart-throwing contests. She adds, "Hapi says Flint Ridge is well- > known to flint knappers from around the country and they usually get > together a couple of times a year." > More than 150 flint knappers from various states attended last year's > Labor Day weekend event. This year, experts will be on hand Saturday > to look at artifacts and rocks, and the Museum will be open both days. > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Aug 29 19:02:30 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Aug 29 18:02:30 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flint Knappers Gathering in Central Ohio, Licking County Message-ID: <1bb.59b69fd.2aa01d98@aol.com> Don't know about the agate but will give 2 peppers for the name, lol For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 30 02:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Fri Aug 30 01:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Celestite and SULFUR ! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020830095628.006a4df8@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, As promised, a nice selection of CELESTITE and SULFURS from Sicily, at very nice prices, are now availble for your attention. I got a very nice flat of these specimen during this last couple of weeks. Since I had a fair and honest price, now I am offering them at real nice prices ! Visit us at: http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/celestine-sulfur.html or goto: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html Have a nice summer ! Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 30 17:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Aug 30 16:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites Message-ID: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> I thought I read somewhere that "There's no place a rental car cannot go." or did I dream it? Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 30 19:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 30 18:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites In-Reply-To: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020830153849.00a95a60@mail.aloha.net> Don't know where you read (or dreamed?) it, but there are strict regulations about where rental cars can go in Hawaii. You may not go off paved roads, and you cannot even drive over the paved "saddle road" between Kona and Hilo on the Big Island, nor up to the Onezuka Visitors Center (again, paved road) part way up Mauna Kea. These are regulations in the rental agency contract, however, not state law. The rental companies say it is because those roads are dangerous, but they're just winding 2-lane roads. If you're going to say you can't drive a road because it's dangerous, you'd never be able to drive an LA freeway! Even there it varies from one agency to another. One company (Avis, I think) rented a 4-wheel drive Subaru Forester to birder friends of ours but the contract still prohibited driving on the saddle road or off pavement. They had to do to Harper (a local company, I think) and rent a Trooper II for a day (at twice the cost) in order to go up Mauna Kea. Many people ignore the contract and hope they won't have an accident. As Horst says, a 4-wheel drive is intended to go off road! Kitty At 01:04 PM 8/30/2002, you wrote: >I thought I read somewhere that "There's no place a rental car cannot go." or >did I dream it? > >Van --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Aug 30 20:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Fri Aug 30 19:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020830153849.00a95a60@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D7030FF.BF5CDB99@cox.net> Interesting, as yesterday a feature on Nightly News showed that when a couple returned a car expecting to pay about $200. they received a bill over $2,000. They had been tracked by GPS at a location over the state line. The station Investigative Reporter pursued it for them, but to no avail because somewhere in the very tiny print there was a stipulation that supported the rental car agency. The renter's had no idea there was a GPS that allowed the agency to track their whereabouts, it was not visible. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 05:05:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Sat Aug 31 04:05:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Going off list Message-ID: <003701c250de$23b56f10$cb3a88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Because of holidays i'll be off list for about 1 month. Paul Van hee MKA website: www.minerant.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 07:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 06:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020830153849.00a95a60@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D70C6F4.9D60AACB@earthlink.net> I remember that part of the contract from when I lived there. We had to rent a car until our car arrived from the mainland. There were a couple of spots on Oahu that could not be driven in rentals. Interesting about the 4wd. Walt Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Don't know where you read (or dreamed?) it, but there are strict > regulations about where rental cars can go in Hawaii. You may not go off > paved roads, and you cannot even drive over the paved "saddle road" between > Kona and Hilo on the Big Island, nor up to the Onezuka Visitors Center > (again, paved road) part way up Mauna Kea. These are regulations in the > rental agency contract, however, not state law. The rental companies say > it is because those roads are dangerous, but they're just winding 2-lane > roads. If you're going to say you can't drive a road because it's > dangerous, you'd never be able to drive an LA freeway! Even there it > varies from one agency to another. One company (Avis, I think) rented a > 4-wheel drive Subaru Forester to birder friends of ours but the contract > still prohibited driving on the saddle road or off pavement. They had to > do to Harper (a local company, I think) and rent a Trooper II for a day (at > twice the cost) in order to go up Mauna Kea. Many people ignore the > contract and hope they won't have an accident. As Horst says, a 4-wheel > drive is intended to go off road! > > Kitty > > At 01:04 PM 8/30/2002, you wrote: > > >I thought I read somewhere that "There's no place a rental car cannot go." or > >did I dream it? > > > >Van > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 08:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Aug 31 07:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Going off list In-Reply-To: <003701c250de$23b56f10$cb3a88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Message-ID: Because of holidays (to the same place, Namibia - with the same group) I will be off-list for exactly the same period... what a coincidence, isn't it ? See you later, folks, Greetings, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Van hee Sent: 31 August, 2002 1:04 PM To: Rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] Going off list Because of holidays i'll be off list for about 1 month. Paul Van hee MKA website: www.minerant.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 08:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jan & Candi) Date: Sat Aug 31 07:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flint Knappers Gathering in Central Ohio, Licking County In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c24ec5$c849d180$9600000a@alltel.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020831105902.00a1bec0@pop3.norton.antivirus> How do I find out more information as to where this is at in Ohio, what city? Jandi from PA At 05:18 PM 8/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hey guys, >Seeing as this in Licking County, shouldn't it be a gathering of agate >lickers. >Does this rate two chili peppers? >Have a great Labor Day Holiday. > >Gordon Kummer > > > From: "Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green" > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:04:48 -0400 > > To: > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Flint Knappers Gathering in Central Ohio, Licking > County > > > > This Labor Day weekend, flint-Knappers from around the United > > States are coming to southeastern Licking County. Flint Ridge > > Education Specialist M.C. Hapi says the annual Flint Knap-In will be > > held Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission is $5 per > > carload and everyone is invited to participate in the weekend > > activities... > > Hapi says, "Those who attend can learn to make a primitive bow and > > arrow, try their hand at flint-knapping, and participate in atlatl > > and dart-throwing contests. She adds, "Hapi says Flint Ridge is well- > > known to flint knappers from around the country and they usually get > > together a couple of times a year." > > More than 150 flint knappers from various states attended last year's > > Labor Day weekend event. This year, experts will be on hand Saturday > > to look at artifacts and rocks, and the Museum will be open both days. > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 09:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 31 08:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites Message-ID: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> HMMMM, Must be my memory failing me...I was stationed at Kaneohe MCAS in 63-64 and drove a car, and rented cars (Kaiser pom-pom buggies) and never remember not being able to drive anywhere..Of course there were places that I probably shouldn't have been...but that is another story, lol For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 10:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Aug 31 09:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D70EB67.831C134F@att.net> Not to get too far off topic, but those were the good old days, before the social neurosis we suffer today . . . it's all about insurability and liability and squeezing every last fraction of a cent out of every asset and commodity; they probably didn't do it then because they couldn't, but with modern technology it is very easy to track everything everyone does at all times. Almost. Without getting too political, why do you think "certain parties" want to close off access to your public lands? They say it is because of some environmental reasons--reasons that are almost never explained and seem illogical when they are--but in another sense they can't watch what you're doing out there and that bothers the corporate/government entity. I'm not so much afraid of the government controlling my life--in my seven years of goverment contracting, I have found the majority of bureaucrats petty and incompetent--I'm worried about the coporate dollar overlords controlling and analyzing everything I do in order to drain every disposable asset from my posession. You're not a citizen, you're a consumer. The policies we're discussing reflect that. [reviewing previous paragraph before clicking "Send"] Wow, that was pretty vitriolic of me. But I'll let it go the way it is, without editing. It needs to be said, and it needs to be said mostly because the attitude we're seeing toward car rental is the same attitude we're seeing toward collecting sites, old mines, "private" property, whereby people are shut out for no good reason other than fear or runaway greed. Just last weekend I spent time with a retired professor who wants to continue study of the minerals of the marble in northern NJ/southern NY, but cannot any longer. At one time this was open country and farmland, but now, as he says, "the miserable yuppies in their McMansions" get nasty when he asks to go collect from that outcrop toward the back end of their extensive acreage. He thinks there should be a law that preserves access, via easement or right-of-way, to the recorded type localities of all minerals wherever they are extant. Good idea; I like it. But I doubt it will ever pass Congress. Once again, sorry for the rant; I do it infrequently and I hope you all will indulge me. I guess this thread pulled my trigger. In a larger sense, though, it is a warning sign; and for those who collect, please do heed the signs. Don RckSwapr42@aol.com wrote: > > HMMMM, Must be my memory failing me...I was stationed at Kaneohe MCAS in > 63-64 and drove a car, and rented cars (Kaiser pom-pom buggies) and never > remember not being able to drive anywhere..Of course there were places that I > probably shouldn't have been...but that is another story, lol From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 11:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Otis) Date: Sat Aug 31 10:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> The easiest place to get to around Flagstaff is the Obsidian Tank in Parks, AZ. Going west from Flagstaff (about 17 miles), take exit 178 and stay to your right as you get off the I 40 and go to the next stop sign. Turn left and go to Spring Valley Road aka FR 171 and turn right. Go past the school and the subdivision area and watch for FR 107. I believe its about 7 miles. Turn right on FR 107. You will curve thru some forest land and some private property for a mile or so -- just stay on the same road. I was up there last fall and there was a serious burned out area on a hillside on the right. Go on past that, I want to say another half mile or so. On the right, parallel to the road and almost at ground level is a small sign that says "Obsidian Tank". Right about the same place, there is a road intersecting on your left. This is the spot! To your right (behind the sign) is a lower area with a pond. All around this area, the pond, and both sides of the road you can find all shapes and sizes of obsidian as well as occasional limbcasts and once in awhile limestone with fossils. Sorry if the directions sound vague, but if you use Gem Trails of Arizona map on this one, there's a road left out and distances are a bit off! No offense to anyone intended! I found it with the Gem Trails, but it just took a bit longer :) FR 107 is a dirt road but well maintained so any vehicle will do. Unless some aliens from outerspace are coming thru Sedona and kidnap you and your car, I don't believe any rental car outfit could complain about the distances involved in this one. Teresa Otis ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > I thought I read somewhere that "There's no place a rental car cannot go." or > did I dream it? > > Van > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 11:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Sat Aug 31 10:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> <3D70EB67.831C134F@att.net> Message-ID: <3D7100D5.AF4929B1@cox.net> Don, About access to mineral sites now on mega-estates, California has a law of free access to all beaches and ocean for the public as the beaches and ocean of California belong to all the people. This is now being challenged by Hollywood Mega Moguls who want their piece of the beach private. There is an active law suit now in Santa Barbara with several in Malibu waiting in the wings. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 11:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Sat Aug 31 10:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites/guidebooks References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D71059E.AC7DD47@mindspring.com> Go ahead and offend them. Most of the guidebook writers do a terrible job of creating accurate maps. The most infamous of them was probably Bessie ___ who wrote several California guides. Only devine intervention could get you to some of her localities! Even the relatively new Mineral Collecting in Utah, written by a geologist, has some bad directions. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 13:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Aug 31 12:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites In-Reply-To: <3D7100D5.AF4929B1@cox.net> References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> <3D70EB67.831C134F@att.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020831092528.02c72120@mail.aloha.net> Hawaii has had such a "free beach access" law for about 200 years. Kitty >About access to mineral sites now on mega-estates, California has a law >of free access to all beaches and ocean for the public as the beaches >and ocean of California belong to all the people. This is now being >challenged by Hollywood Mega Moguls who want their piece of the beach >private. There is an active law suit now in Santa Barbara with several >in Malibu waiting in the wings. >Teresa > >_______________________________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 14:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Aug 31 13:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites In-Reply-To: <3D70EB67.831C134F@att.net> References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020831092805.02c72260@mail.aloha.net> Don, In Balmat, NY, a couple years ago we stopped by an open quarry and were picking up specimens near---but not beyond---a "Keep Out" sign. A company truck came by and the driver asked pleasantly if we needed anything. We said we were rockhounds and wondered if permission could be obtained to enter. He said he was really sorry, but that the company's insurance would be astronomical if they allowed public access, even with special permission. On the other hand, when we were in White Cliffs, NSW, Australia, our B&B host suggested that we wander among nearby opal fields to see what we might find. "It might be a bad idea to go down any of the shafts, though," was his only warning. So we spent an hour fossicking among big piles of tailings, and stepping around unmarked holes that appeared to be bottomless, many with ladders that disappeared into blackness. There were no fences or barriers, no tapes or ribbons, no signs. A child could have wandered into the field and fallen into a shaft. Apparently in Australia and New Zealand they haven't gotten into the mad cycle of huge court-ordered liability awards and resulting sky-rocketing insurance rates. For example, we followed a case in NZ of a woman who sued her doctor when her breast implant surgery went bad, causing her infections and several other procedures to repair the damage. The judge agreed that the original surgery was faulty. That operation cost $6000. So the doctor was required to return her $6000. She got no damages, no court costs, and not even anything to cover the repairs. I'm not saying that case was fair, but not many people sue for damages in NZ. You're right. We're in an insurance and liability bind. An employer is afraid to give an honest compliment to an employee on his/her appearance for fear of being sued for harassment. A college professor has to worry about students suing for unfair grading bias. The reason there are far more B&B's in other countries than the US is that we have so many regulations and insurance requirements the average home-owner with a guest room can't afford to rent it. And car rental companies don't dare let 4-wheel drive vehicles be driven off road for fear of being sued if drivers get hurt. Aloha, Kitty >...those were the good old days, before the social neurosis we suffer >today . . . it's all about insurability and liability.... Once again, sorry for the rant; I guess this thread pulled my trigger. In a larger sense, though, it is a warning sign; and for those who collect, please do heed the signs. >Don --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 14:51:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Aug 31 13:51:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] green selenite In-Reply-To: <3D61B33C.328B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <200208271322.g7RDMad8025670@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Kreigh Tomaszewski said: > Walt, > > I was thinking of hydrothermals that went thru basalt, like in the > Keweenaw Peninsula, that often produce copper. But I don't know the > geology of the source local very well to understand what may be > possible. I think it is the oddest association in my collection. > Perhaps, it should be pointed out that not all selenite is formed "naturally". It can be formed as a result of an attempt to neutralize very acidic mine run off stilling ponds, by adding crushed calcium carbonate (limestone) to the waters. It is also not unusual to find selenite that has formed around bio detritous such as twigs and small limbs. By this way of formation any other mineralization that may be precipitated in the waters would also be concentrated in the formation of the selenite. Also believe it or not there are some VERY colorful bacteria that live in these nearly toxic waters and may contribute to the colorization much in the way the halite is pink near searles lake in calif. I know there are several locations around the world where the selenite is a result of such action from attempts to clean up old coal mining operations. Dennis Buffenmyer From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 16:40:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jane Davis) Date: Sat Aug 31 15:40:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> Message-ID: <002901c25140$f00dfac0$10b34d0c@jade> The area on Oahu that was totally out of limits for rental cars was on the northwest point just above Makaha (think it was Kaena Point) anyway, the road was dirt with big dips in it, usually filled with water, and not completed aroundthe point and all I ever saw get through were hikers and dirt bikes that could ride some pipes that spanned a serious little lava chasm. There used to be some military installation about halfway up the mountain there and all that remained was a concrete floor that if one could climb to it, was a great place for private sunbathing. Another road that was possibly restricted by car rentals crossed the mountain range from the army fort (cannot think of the name, but it was next to Wheeler AFB) to the Makaha side. The last time I was there (some time in the 90's), it was still guarded by Marines at the top and there were wild pigs that ocassionally ran across the very steep and winding road. There was a large cross at the top and on the other side of the road you could climb stairs to a rock that looked like it may have had significance in older Hawaiian rituals (big carved out bowl in it)... great view from up there but it was restricted to military and their passengers. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > HMMMM, Must be my memory failing me...I was stationed at Kaneohe MCAS in > 63-64 and drove a car, and rented cars (Kaiser pom-pom buggies) and never > remember not being able to drive anywhere..Of course there were places that I > probably shouldn't have been...but that is another story, lol > > For now and till then, > JOHN > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 17:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Aug 31 16:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> <3D70EB67.831C134F@att.net> <3D7100D5.AF4929B1@cox.net> Message-ID: <004601c25143$0d7d7660$aecc94d1@hewlettlydtpep> good for them! I get really tired of all these pc twits who think that everything belongs to everyone. If ALL people behaved in a responsible fashion, maybe the world would be a nicer, more free place to live, with people sharing more often. Unfortunately, some idiot will gain access to some "movie mogul's" private beach, and hurt himself and then sue the guy's but off! Or a bunch of drunken kids will party there all night and leave a huge mess for someone else to clean up.... we don't live in a perfect, selfles world. private property is just that- PRIVATE, and it should be respected. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TAM" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > Don, > About access to mineral sites now on mega-estates, California has a law > of free access to all beaches and ocean for the public as the beaches > and ocean of California belong to all the people. This is now being > challenged by Hollywood Mega Moguls who want their piece of the beach > private. There is an active law suit now in Santa Barbara with several > in Malibu waiting in the wings. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 17:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 16:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Going off list References: Message-ID: <3D7154A6.F2109632@earthlink.net> Rik: Tell us about it when you return. Walt Rik Dillen wrote: > Because of holidays (to the same place, Namibia - with the same group) I > will be off-list for exactly the same period... what a coincidence, isn't it > ? > See you later, folks, > Greetings, > > Rik > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Van hee > Sent: 31 August, 2002 1:04 PM > To: Rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] Going off list > > Because of holidays i'll be off list for about 1 month. > > Paul Van hee > MKA website: www.minerant.org > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 17:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 16:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <161.132a9801.2aa23bd0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D7155B6.D697CD13@earthlink.net> Hey John I was at MCAS Kaneohe in 54. BOOT! All kidding aside, I don;t think the big names were there then. I don't even remember rental cars when I was there in the 50s and that is the truth. Then, I know a lot of people who don't remember much about the 60s either. \ \The northend of Oahu, past Dillingham field on around to Kaena cave, I think that was the name, was off limits to rentals. I tried it in my Cougar in 69 and almost tore the pan out. Walt RckSwapr42@aol.com wrote: > HMMMM, Must be my memory failing me...I was stationed at Kaneohe MCAS in > 63-64 and drove a car, and rented cars (Kaiser pom-pom buggies) and never > remember not being able to drive anywhere..Of course there were places that I > probably shouldn't have been...but that is another story, lol > > For now and till then, > JOHN > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 18:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 17:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites/guidebooks References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> <3D71059E.AC7DD47@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D715F48.3A5AD996@earthlink.net> Bessie????? WHO? Mary Francis Strong wrote a pot full of them. She was fair at doing the maps, but barely fair..... I have hunted a dozen localities to find that where I was directed was really about a mile off. Also, "take the third trail", now does not mean much, as there have been so many new trails cut in the desert by all terrain vehicles. Walt Lawrence Dee wrote: > Go ahead and offend them. Most of the guidebook writers do a terrible > job of creating accurate maps. The most infamous of them was probably > Bessie ___ who wrote several California guides. Only devine > intervention could get you to some of her localities! Even the > relatively new Mineral Collecting in Utah, written by a geologist, has > some bad directions. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 18:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee) Date: Sat Aug 31 17:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites/guidebooks References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> <3D71059E.AC7DD47@mindspring.com> <3D715F48.3A5AD996@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D71637C.CF75BF26@mindspring.com> Bessie Simpson. I believe she was the field trip editor for Gems and Minerals yrs ago. Her maps were nicely drawn - they just had no relation to the site she was describing. Of course that was before the days of the Masmils database, laptop computers with DeLorme topos, and all of the great data systems we have now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 18:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 17:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] green selenite References: <200208271322.g7RDMad8025670@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3D7162B4.A39AF989@earthlink.net> Dennis Correct you are. We used a couple of zillion tons to fill a flooded mine which was spilling water into a stream. The stuff fizzed and bubbled like soda pop. We also built several mega gallon pits which were filled with limestone boulders and crushed limestone to fist size. Water coming out of the mine cascaded into the ponds and then into the stream. Neutralized it and only need to keep putting limestone into the mine to keep it that way. The cattails and sedges growing around it also provide good habitat for birds. gotta watch the Beavers, though. The bacteria do make colorful stuff. The Iron setting bacteria make nice golden inclusions in Gypsum from Naica. Take care and Keep on writing. Walt buff1@ptdprolog.net wrote: > Kreigh Tomaszewski said: > > > Walt, > > > > I was thinking of hydrothermals that went thru basalt, like in the > > Keweenaw Peninsula, that often produce copper. But I don't know the > > geology of the source local very well to understand what may be > > possible. I think it is the oddest association in my collection. > > > > Perhaps, it should be pointed out that not all selenite is formed "naturally". > It can be formed as a result of an attempt to neutralize very acidic mine run > off stilling ponds, by adding crushed calcium carbonate (limestone) to the > waters. It is also not unusual to find selenite that has formed around bio > detritous such as twigs and small limbs. By this way of formation any other > mineralization that may be precipitated in the waters would also be > concentrated in the formation of the selenite. Also believe it or not there > are some VERY colorful bacteria that live in these nearly toxic waters and > may contribute to the colorization much in the way the halite is pink near > searles lake in calif. I know there are several locations around the world > where the selenite is a result of such action from attempts to clean up old > coal mining operations. > > Dennis Buffenmyer > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 18:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Nance) Date: Sat Aug 31 17:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c25151$11f27b60$1d64ae18@houston.rr.com> Hi Teresa, Thanks for the information! Jim Nance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Otis" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > The easiest place to get to around Flagstaff is the Obsidian Tank in > Parks, AZ. Going west from Flagstaff (about 17 miles), take exit 178 > and stay to your right as you get off the I 40 and go to the next stop > sign. Turn left and go to Spring Valley Road aka FR 171 and turn > right. Go past the school and the subdivision area and watch for FR > 107. I believe its about 7 miles. Turn right on FR 107. You will > curve thru some forest land and some private property for a mile or so > -- just stay on the same road. I was up there last fall and there was a > serious burned out area on a hillside on the right. Go on past that, I > want to say another half mile or so. On the right, parallel to the road > and almost at ground level is a small sign that says "Obsidian Tank". > Right about the same place, there is a road intersecting on your left. > This is the spot! To your right (behind the sign) is a lower area with > a pond. All around this area, the pond, and both sides of the road you > can find all shapes and sizes of obsidian as well as occasional > limbcasts and once in awhile limestone with fossils. > > Sorry if the directions sound vague, but if you use Gem Trails of > Arizona map on this one, there's a road left out and distances are a bit > off! No offense to anyone intended! I found it with the Gem Trails, but > it just took a bit longer :) > > FR 107 is a dirt road but well maintained so any vehicle will do. > Unless some aliens from outerspace are coming thru Sedona and kidnap you > and your car, I don't believe any rental car outfit could complain about > the distances involved in this one. > > Teresa Otis > > ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > > > I thought I read somewhere that "There's no place a rental car cannot go." or > > did I dream it? > > > > Van > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 18:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 17:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites/guidebooks References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> <3D71059E.AC7DD47@mindspring.com> <3D715F48.3A5AD996@earthlink.net> <3D71637C.CF75BF26@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D71650E.483F1F33@earthlink.net> I don't remember Bessie Simpson. Michael Petereson puts out a collection of mine localities with all the gps stuff you need. You can find him at vughunter@juno.com Michael is a great guy. If you don't subscribe to rockhound notes, you should. GOOD stuff. Cheap also. Walt Lawrence Dee wrote: > Bessie Simpson. I believe she was the field trip editor for Gems and > Minerals yrs ago. Her maps were nicely drawn - they just had no > relation to the site she was describing. Of course that was before the > days of the Masmils database, laptop computers with DeLorme topos, and > all of the great data systems we have now. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 19:01:17 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Aug 31 18:01:17 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites/guidebooks References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> <3D71059E.AC7DD47@mindspring.com> <3D715F48.3A5AD996@earthlink.net> <3D71637C.CF75BF26@mindspring.com> <3D71650E.483F1F33@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D7166D5.619ACAA0@att.net> > Michael is a great guy. If you don't subscribe to rockhound notes, you > should. GOOD stuff. Cheap also. Almost afraid to ask--what is rockhound notes, and how do we subscribe to it? Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 20:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Aug 31 19:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites/guidebooks References: <17a.dc1b063.2aa1541b@aol.com> <3D70F702.AE246E59@earthlink.net> <3D71059E.AC7DD47@mindspring.com> <3D715F48.3A5AD996@earthlink.net> <3D71637C.CF75BF26@mindspring.com> <3D71650E.483F1F33@earthlink.net> <3D7166D5.619ACAA0@att.net> Message-ID: <3D7177D7.A0A168B3@earthlink.net> Rockhound Notes is a great little newsletter put out by Michael Peterson. He has listings of mines, and such in every issue, along with interesting articles. Michael is a really cool person and enthusiastic as all get out. One of the really nice people in the world. You can subscribe to his newsletter by contacting him. He will also send you a free issue, too, to check it out. Michael Peterson vughunter@juno.com That will get him and you will be pleasantly surprised by the nice little newsletter he has. Walt. Don H wrote: > > Michael is a great guy. If you don't subscribe to rockhound notes, you > > should. GOOD stuff. Cheap also. > > Almost afraid to ask--what is rockhound notes, and how do we subscribe > to it? > > Thanks, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 20:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Aug 31 19:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites In-Reply-To: <004601c25143$0d7d7660$aecc94d1@hewlettlydtpep> Message-ID: If this is the same bunch I've been hearing about then don't feel too bad for the movie moguls. They all signed agreements to provide public beach access in order to get building permits on the beach front. However once the houses were up they "forgot" about public access. The public already had access before these mansions were put up and then blocked access so they have taken away something that the public already had. I am a strong private property advocate but blocking beach access doesn't fall under those rights. We have the same problem here in Florida, beaches which I used as a kid are now impossible to get to. The people who built houses block all street parking so that even tho there are public access ramps to the beach they are worthless unless you want to walk 4 or 5 miles from the nearest public parking. Bryan -----Original Message----- good for them! I get really tired of all these pc twits who think that everything belongs to everyone. If ALL people behaved in a responsible fashion, maybe the world would be a nicer, more free place to live, with people sharing more often. Unfortunately, some idiot will gain access to some "movie mogul's" private beach, and hurt himself and then sue the guy's but off! Or a bunch of drunken kids will party there all night and leave a huge mess for someone else to clean up.... we don't live in a perfect, selfles world. private property is just that- PRIVATE, and it should be respected. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TAM" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > Don, > About access to mineral sites now on mega-estates, California has a law > of free access to all beaches and ocean for the public as the beaches > and ocean of California belong to all the people. This is now being > challenged by Hollywood Mega Moguls who want their piece of the beach > private. There is an active law suit now in Santa Barbara with several > in Malibu waiting in the wings. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 21:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Sat Aug 31 20:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: Message-ID: <3D71890A.872F9078@cox.net> Bryan, Yes it is the same bunch, David Geffen who 19 years ago signed the notice that there was to be a public access right of way to the beach adjacent to his home. It made tonight's news with photos showing barbed wire atop fences to keep those living across the street from enjoying the beach which belongs to the people. Unfortunately some cannot understand, property on the ocean side of the street does not include the beach. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Aug 31 21:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Aug 31 20:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites References: <3D71890A.872F9078@cox.net> Message-ID: <001401c25171$d0d8f930$ccc494d1@hewlettlydtpep> if that is the case, then don't put any money into Geffen's pocket. the next time a Dreamworks SKG film comes out (Saving Private Ryan, Gladiator, Shrek, Artificial Intelligence, Road to Perdition, the Time Machine, Band of Brothers, Minority Report, A Beautiful Mind, etc., etc., etc.) don't put any money into Geffen's pocket....don't go see his films. Somehow, though, I doubt you or anyone else will do that. It's far easier just to comment about it and cry foul than it is to actually take a stand on it and do something to financially hurt the guy....especially when it means giving up enjoyable movies. What a monster we've all created....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "TAM" To: d Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Flagstaff/Reno sites > Bryan, > Yes it is the same bunch, David Geffen who 19 years ago signed the > notice that there was to be a public access right of way to the beach > adjacent to his home. It made tonight's news with photos showing barbed > wire atop fences to keep those living across the street from enjoying > the beach which belongs to the people. Unfortunately some cannot > understand, property on the ocean side of the street does not include > the beach. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds