From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 1 20:30:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Mineral Vug) Date: Mon Jul 1 19:30:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: AD: Large Update and 50% off Sale Message-ID: Hello All: The Mineral Vug wishes to announce the continuance of our site sale as well as a site update: 50 % off sale on specimens with ID's beginning with numbers or the letter A. Such as #345 or A-200. This sale does not include specimens discounted on the Bargain Basement. The new update includes the following minerals which can be viewed on pages linked to www.themineralvug.com/new.htm . Celestite from Madagascar 7/1/02 Fluorite from Illinois 7/1/02 Quartz and Hematite from Hunan, China 7/1/02 Beryl on Muscovite from Guangxi, China 7/1/02 Spessartine Garnet from Hunan, China 7/1/02 Azurite from Hubei, China 7/1/02 Cinnabar from Szechuan, China 7/1/02 Pyromorphite from Guangxi Province, China 7/1/02 Amethyst from Wilkes County, Georgia 6/29/02 Natrolite and Analcime from Black Rock, Nova Scotia 6/28/02 Chabazite and Stilbite from Wasson Bluff, Nova Scotia 6/28/02 Smokey Quartz from Stoneham, Maine and Center Ossipee, New Hampshire 6/28/02 Regards, Brett Shaffer The Mineral Vug www.themineralvug.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 2 12:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Yocko) Date: Tue Jul 2 11:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals named for people References: <150.f1cfcf0.2a363bac@aol.com> Message-ID: <003701c221f4$650728a0$a215933e@guerin> Lorenzo Francisco Aristarain, Retired Professor of Economic Geology, National University of La Plata; Head, Economic Geology Department, Argentine National Commission on Geophysics: 1972. Oscar de Watteville, directeur des Sciences et des Lettres au Ministère de l'Instruction publique (18..-end of 19th century) Michel Camerola French still alive Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals named for people > Dear List, > > There are many minerals named for people. Unfortunately, mineralogists > weren't always careful about recording even the slightest information about > the people for whom they named minerals. Enclosed is a short list of what > genealogists call "brick walls". I've searched the net, but obviously didn't > know what search words to use. If any of you could help with these I'd > appreciate your help. > The initials indicate name not known. ? means date not known. The > champion unknown is "Dr. Schwartzemberg". Anybody willing to check out the > cemetery at Copiapo on their next trip? > > Best Regards, Van > > J. Aubert (1929-?) French geophysicist Where? > Lorenzo Francisco Aristarain (1926-?) professor of what? Laplata University, > Buenos Aires, Argentina > Howard D. Zeller (1922-?) USGS > Dan Lannon (?-?) prospector who discovered Wilcox district, AZ (Any contacts > with the nearest historical society?) > Carl B. Lawson (?-?) geologist United Verde Mining Co., Jerome, AZ > Joseph F. Leising (1949-alive) Southern Nevada Water Authority > Leon Stripplemann (?-?) director of salt works, Westrregeln, Germany. > Wilhelm Meyerhoffer (1806-1879) German chemist, where? > Roman Vladimirovich Nifontov (1901-1960) Russian geologist, where? > Charles H. Northrup (1861-?) grocer!, San Jose, CA (Anybody got an old SJ > business directory or access to census records?) > Oliver Boyer (?-?) prospector, Tombstone, AZ (I did find a website that > said he murdered Martin Sweeney while another website said he got away by > bribing the posse.) > Thomas Price (1837-?) occupation unknown, San Francisco, CA > Refik Bey (?-1865) Turkish journalist, founder of MirAat, revolutionary. > What city? > Friedrich A. Römer (1809-1869) German geologist where? > H. J. Schuiling (?-?) Union Mini `ere de Haute Katanga, position? > Dr. ______ Schwartzemberg (?-?) assayer, Copiapó, Chile > Erich Seeliger (?-?) Technical University, Berlin, Germany > Leonid Ivanovich Shabynin (1909-?) Institute of Geology of Ore Deposits, > Moscow, Russia > Sof'ya Ivanova Naboko (1909-?) Institute of Volcanology, Kamchatka, Russia > C. Tenger (?-?) Swedish chemist, where? > A. I. Volkovskaya (?-?) Russian petrographer, where? > Ward Cromwell Smith (1906-?) USGS > Oscar de Watteville (?-?) occupation? Paris, France > Oberbergrath Pinno (?-?) chief councilor of Mines, Halle, Germany > Kin-ichi Sakurai (1912-?) Japanese mineral collector and author > Nasrollah Khadem (1910-?) Director Geological Survey of Iran > Michel Camerola (?-still alive?) mineral collector, where? occupation? > Arthur Charles Davy Pain (?-1971) British gem collector > J. J. Paris (?-?) manager of Muzo emerald mine, Columbia > Rudolph Rost (1902-?) Charles University, Prague, Czech Rep. > William Wilcox (?-1880) prospector, Wilcox, AZ (local historical society?) > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 2 12:37:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ron Winter) Date: Tue Jul 2 11:37:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Embargo off References: <3D1E1CFE.B7556224@gte.net> Message-ID: <3D21F0E1.BDF4BA72@gte.net> www.stonetrails.com is now active. Ron Winter wrote: > > Hiatus terminated, embargo off. > www.stonetrails.com "should" be up and running within the day, as reported > to me by someone at VeriSign Incorporated. > > For future reference, if www.stonetrails.com should fail, access to my > website can be gained via this numerical address: > http://208.55.230.59/ > > -- > Regards, > Ron Winter; http://www.stonetrails.com -- Regards, Ron Winter; http://www.stonetrails.com Email: mailto:Ron@stonetrails.com In search of: The Mother of All Geodes! Copyright © Circa 2002 Ron Winter From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 2 15:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Utilisateur1) Date: Tue Jul 2 14:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free minerals ads Message-ID: <001901c2220e$d5ffe8c0$50f70e50@r4q8f2> Hi all ! You can place your ads for free in the new 'zine page !!! see you all later in the 'zine (the next issue will coming soon with new = articles !) Y. Dain French collector of minerals http://www.chez.com/mineralzine/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 3 16:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Andy Parker) Date: Wed Jul 3 15:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone Message-ID: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> I have a request for a perfectly white, featureless, brooch about 30x40 and am at a loss as to stone selection. My first thought was some white moss opalite I have with very little moss but none of that is big or plain enough. White common opal is one obvious possibility and a friend suggested Natrolite or Mesolite which are new to me. Any suggestions and sources (or offers to supply) welcomed. The look required is of white porcelain and no that isn't an option! Please note I am in UK Cheers Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary Ulverston, Cumbria, England andy@agatehouse.co.uk www.agatehouse.co.uk Tel: 01229 584023 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 3 16:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed Jul 3 15:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone References: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <00e901c222df$2f2c9ee0$78cc94d1@dmschmidt> hmmm..... quartz??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Parker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone > I have a request for a perfectly white, featureless, brooch about > 30x40 and am at a loss as to stone selection. > My first thought was some white moss opalite I have with very little > moss but none of that is big or plain enough. > White common opal is one obvious possibility and a friend suggested > Natrolite or Mesolite which are new to me. > Any suggestions and sources (or offers to supply) welcomed. > The look required is of white porcelain and no that isn't an option! > > Please note I am in UK > Cheers > > Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary > Ulverston, Cumbria, England > andy@agatehouse.co.uk > www.agatehouse.co.uk > Tel: 01229 584023 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 3 16:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Jul 3 15:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone References: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <3D237858.4D008B24@att.net> You may be able to find a section of howlite without the veins, or try "ivoryite," which I believe is really magnesite. Don Andy Parker wrote: > > I have a request for a perfectly white, featureless, brooch about > 30x40 and am at a loss as to stone selection. > My first thought was some white moss opalite I have with very little > moss but none of that is big or plain enough. > White common opal is one obvious possibility and a friend suggested > Natrolite or Mesolite which are new to me. > Any suggestions and sources (or offers to supply) welcomed. > The look required is of white porcelain and no that isn't an option! > > Please note I am in UK > Cheers > > Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary > Ulverston, Cumbria, England > andy@agatehouse.co.uk > www.agatehouse.co.uk > Tel: 01229 584023 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Join the /"\ ASCII Ribbon \ / Campaign against x HTML e-mail / \ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 3 18:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jul 3 17:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone References: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <3D239408.681@Tomaszewski.net> Plain white opal (from California and other locations) can be had in large sizes fairly cheaply (on the web). Natrolite, especially from the Benetoite Gem Mine in California, is another easily obtained item that would be suitable (but perhaps a bit soft). A very fine grained white marble might work -- check with a local building stone supplier and try to talk them out of their sales specimen. A white dolomite or limestone might work (but I think your white cliffs are too soft). Thompsonite from Oregon would work, as would Heulandite, both are white zeolites (at least in my collection). Milky quartz would work and is fairly common. A good specimen of tremolite might be white enough. Stillbite and alabaster gypsum might work. White magnesite from Canada. Aragonite from Mexico. Celestite (shame to cut a crystal that large). Lots of white minerals come to mind that can be cut. Oh yea, and a big white agate. Souonds like an excuse to cut one of each and decide which looks best cut when done. I'll bet you could buy them all online in less than an evening with a credit card and search engine. Andy Parker wrote: > > I have a request for a perfectly white, featureless, brooch about > 30x40 and am at a loss as to stone selection. > My first thought was some white moss opalite I have with very little > moss but none of that is big or plain enough. > White common opal is one obvious possibility and a friend suggested > Natrolite or Mesolite which are new to me. > Any suggestions and sources (or offers to supply) welcomed. > The look required is of white porcelain and no that isn't an option! > > Please note I am in UK > Cheers > > Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary > Ulverston, Cumbria, England > andy@agatehouse.co.uk > www.agatehouse.co.uk > Tel: 01229 584023 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 3 18:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Bokor) Date: Wed Jul 3 17:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone References: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> <3D239408.681@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D23A5F0.54A319AF@telus.net> Hi: You might try a Tagua nut cab, or as silly it may sound a (Soup)bone ivory cab. Both of these are white, hard and polish beautifully, but alas, they are both organic rather than mineral. Regards, Joe Bokor jbokor@telus.net > Andy Parker wrote: > > > > I have a request for a perfectly white, featureless, brooch about > > 30x40 and am at a loss as to stone selection. > > My first thought was some white moss opalite I have with very little > > moss but none of that is big or plain enough. > > White common opal is one obvious possibility and a friend suggested > > Natrolite or Mesolite which are new to me. > > Any suggestions and sources (or offers to supply) welcomed. > > The look required is of white porcelain and no that isn't an option! > > > > Please note I am in UK > > Cheers > > > > Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary > > Ulverston, Cumbria, England > > andy@agatehouse.co.uk > > www.agatehouse.co.uk > > Tel: 01229 584023 > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 3 19:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Wed Jul 3 18:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone In-Reply-To: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <20020704013310.38264.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Andy, I have several chunks of howlite up to 3.5 inches in diameter I would love to get rid of cheaply. I have seen a piece polished before and it was solid white. Regards, Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals --- Andy Parker wrote: > I have a request for a perfectly white, featureless, > brooch about > 30x40 and am at a loss as to stone selection. > My first thought was some white moss opalite I have > with very little > moss but none of that is big or plain enough. > White common opal is one obvious possibility and a > friend suggested > Natrolite or Mesolite which are new to me. > Any suggestions and sources (or offers to supply) > welcomed. > The look required is of white porcelain and no that > isn't an option! > > Please note I am in UK > Cheers > > Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary > Ulverston, Cumbria, England > andy@agatehouse.co.uk > www.agatehouse.co.uk > Tel: 01229 584023 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 4 09:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Jul 4 08:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] dino material Message-ID: <093c01c2236c$696a27c0$5bca94d1@dmschmidt> I just received a lot of dinosaur material from Madagascar, including = several teeth of a new undescribed camarasaurid. Although the majority of these specimens were sold to one client, there = are still a lot of smaller nice teeth left. The majority of these teeth are from the abelisaurid Majungalothus = atopus, there are also teeth from Megalosaurus crenatissimus, cf. = Titanosaurus madagascarensis, and an undescribed camarasaurid. As well, there is also one exceptional tooth from a new genus of = pterosaur.....the first pterasaur remains to be found (to my knowledge) = in Madagascar. Descriptions and prices are below. I also have a few claws (sauropod) = but have not yet done up the descriptions. If you are interested in = them, let me know and I will send off the info. As for the teeth listed below, if you have any interest in any of this = material, and you would like to see photos, please let me know and I = will get them off to you as soon as possible. Thanks Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Tooth 01: Undescribed camarasaurid 1.2cm good enamel, but worn = $75.00 Tooth 02: Majungalothus atopus 1.2cm good serrations, but slightly = rough enamel. Tiny bit of extreme tip chipped $60.00 Tooth 03: cf. Titanosaurus madagascarensis 2.2cm good enamel, tiny = nick on extreme tip. slight wear facet $150.00 Tooth 04: Majungalothus atopus 1.2cm great enamel, great serrations = wear facet on tip $75.00 Tooth 05: Majungalothus atopus 1.7cm perfect!! great enamel, great = serrations = $150.00 Tooth 06: Megalosaurus crenatissimus 2.5cm (premax??) great enamel, = great wear facet $300.00 Tooth 07: Majungalothus atopus 1.2cm good enamel, very slight damage = to serrations $75.00 Tooth 08: Majungalothus atopus 2.5cm good enamel goo serrations = (slight chip) tiny wear facet on tip $65.00 Tooth 09: Majungalothus atopus 1.5cm enamel very worn, good = serrations = $65.00 Tooth 10: Undescribed pterasaur 1.5cm Fantastic!!! Great enamel, = very slender and gracile $300.00 Tooth 11: Undescribed camarasaurid 2.3cm great enamel slight wear = facet on tip $175.00 Tooth 12: Undescribed camarasaurid 1.2cm great enamel, very small wear = facet on tip $100.00 Tooth 13: Majungalothus atopus large tooth 5cm enamel worn, great = serrations nice tooth $250.00 Tooth 14: Megalosaurus crenatissimus 4cm great serrations, enamel = worn = $275.00 Tooth 15: Majungalothus atopus 4.7cm large and robust tooth good = enamel, good serrations, wear facet on tip and edge $275.00 Tooth 16: Majungalothus atopus 2cm nice tooth, enamel worn in places = great serrations $75.00 Tooth 17: Megalosaurus crenatissimus 4cm great serrations enamel worn = repaired very chunky $150.00 Tooth 18: Majungalothus atopus 2cm slight damage to enamel wear = facet on tip $95.00 Tooth 19: Undescribed camarasaurid partially rooted 2cm 1cm crown = great enamel nice serrations $200.00 Tooth 20: Undescribed camarasaurid partially rooted 1.2cm 8mm crown = good enamel slightly worn $125.00 Tooth 21: Majungalothus atopus 1.5cm good enamel good serrations = tiny wear facet on tip $100.00 Tooth 22: Megalosaurus crenatissimus 2.5cm great enamel great = serrations wear facet on tip $200.00 Tooth 23: Undescribed camarasaurid 3cm great enamel repaired (clean = break) great crown! $250.00 Tooth 24: Majungalothus atopus 1.2cm good enamel good serrations = tiny wear facet on tip $75.00 Tooth 25: Majungalothus atopus 2cm good serrations and good enamel = slight wear facet on tip $100.00 Tooth 26: Majungalothus atopus 1.5cm enamel very worn great = serrations = $50.00 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 6 21:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sat Jul 6 20:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Stuff Message-ID: 1) Webpages are now updated, and describe how to subscribe using our NEW mailing list software, GNU Mailman. 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How do I turn off rockhounds while I'm gone? --------------------------------------------------------- a) Point your web browser to: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds b) Scroll down to the "Rockhounds Subscribers" section. c) Enter your name in the BOTTOM box, and click the "Edit Options" button. d) Scroll down, and, under ROCKHOUNDS SUBSCRIPTION OPTIONS, check the "ON" radio button under "Disable mail delivery" e) Fill in your password in the form element below f) Click the "Submit my Changes" button. When you return, do the same thing, except check the "OFF" button under "Disable mail delivery". 2.7: Are there any special list policies I need to be aware of? --------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. There are a few 'minor' policy issues. 1) Bounced Email: If you are a subscriber, and I have recieved over a week's worth (> 7 days) of bounce, undeliverable message, or other such server issues, I will remove you from the list. The exception to this is when I recieve a "mailbox full" reciept. These messages get a bit more time. Everybody goes on vacation once in a while...;-) 2) Abusive email: Rockhounds@Drizzle is currently an unmoderated list. All posts from subscribers, including advertisements and unrelated emails, are allowed to go through. An occasional arguement or minor flame war is just part of the game we call free speech. We encourage all lists members to take disputes to private email. However, repeated verbal abuse will not be tolerated. This *does not* mean 'no cursing', but please try to keep the swearing down. This is, after all, a family newsgroup. You get two email warnings, and then an automatic unsubscription. If it continues to be a problem, I will put your site in the hosts.deny file. We are assuming everyone understand what is meant by "abusive email". If not, contact the list owner for clarification. This policy is designed to prevent the types of long, drawn-out, angry confrontations that other groups have seen (alt.scientology, for example). This policy is not designed to stifle free speech and discources. 3) Administrative forwards and Bounces All list-admin or website-admin messages will have the following subject header: [ADMIN] Occasionally, email meant for the list turns up undeliverable. Usually this is due to postings from non-subscribers, or a foul-up with the hosts.allow issue. When this happens, the list administrator will typically forward the message with an approval. All such messages will contain the following syntax in the subject line: [BOUNCE] All bounces will have the message ID, the sender, the date, and the subject enclosed in the message, for authenticity's sake. 2.8: Who's responsible for the Rockhounds@Drizzle list? ----------------------------------------------- Aaron Fox Golder Associates Project Geologist 18300 NE Union Hill Road, Suite 200 (425)883-0777 Redmond, WA 98052-3333 owner-rockhounds@drizzle.com || afox@golder.com Web: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox 2.9: What the heck is drizzle? ------------------------------- Drizzle is a *wonderful*, Seattle, Washington based internet service provider. They offer dial-up access throughout King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties, with local numbers in each location. They also offer DSL service in Olympia & Lacey, and Bremerton / Silverdale. Drizzle offers an online "Salon" (nee BBS), and also has inexpensive Linux shell accounts for email and newsgroups ($5.00/month!). They do offer website and mailing list hosting And the technical support is faboo! In an era where everybody is going towards either broadband service, or bargin-basement dial-up PPP connections, it's nice to see somebody who still specializes in the kind of service computer geeks and power users want. And, just because you have broadband, doesn't mean you can't use 'em. I use drizzle as my primary email host, even though I'm on AT&T Broadband. 2.10: In Case of Tornado? ------------------------ Southwest corner of Basement ################## 3) Nettiquite ################## (note: much of the text in this section has been lifted from the old FAQ, maintained by Tom Corson) 3.1: What do you mean by "nettiquite"? -------------------------------------- This section presents some simple guidelines for electronic mail etiquette. It does not try to mandate any particular style or rules but tries to highlight some important issues which affect the clarity of the email we send. After all, email is about communication, so clarity should be our goal. What follows are a few rules of thumb for etiquette on the net (netiquette) that will help our list. Always use a meaningful subject line. For example, "Arizona Site Wanted" Keep each line in your message shorter than 72 characters. Longer lines can cause word-wrap and make readability difficult. Not everyone uses Netscape Communicator or Microsoft Outlook on a big screen at 1024 x 768. When replying to another message, include enough of the original message to provide a context, but include only the minimum you need from the original message - paraphrase or quote selectively. It's VERY annoying to have a 5-page message quoted back at you in its entirety with the words "Me too" added at the bottom. Erase all of the old message except enough to tell those who read yours what you're talking about. Also erase any of the CC: and BCC: addresses that your mailer might copy. At the end of your message, include your name, your email address, or a "signature" file to identify yourself, your location (city, state, province, country, etc), and alternative methods for contacting you (phone, fax, Web page, etc). Keep your signature short - four lines is a useful guideline. Unnecessarily long signatures waste bandwidth and can be annoying. Don't post long files that may be of interest to only a few readers, (like lists of specimens for sale or full gem show announcements with every detail of a four-day calendar). It's far better to make a concise announcement to the whole list, and then ask people who want more details to email you directly . When replying to a message, first ask yourself who you're sending it to, the whole list or just the originator of the incoming message. Don't send your message to the whole list if a personal message will do. Personal messages are inappropriate, i.e. "Subject: Private to Jay" Forcing hundreds of people to delete your message does not add to your reputation in a positive way. Think before you post. Have you really said what you want to say ? Reread what you wrote. Once a message is sent, it can't be retrieved. Email is not secure. If you don't want Big Brother to read it, don't post it. It's unwise to send personal or sensitive information, like credit card numbers, by e-mail. Please be considerate of others. Through inexperience or limited local software, list members may inadvertently violate netiquette. When this happens, a private message to the offender from an experienced friend or from the list owners is more appropriate than a public flame. A "flame" is an emotionally charged posting, and is often directed at an individual for a breech of netiquette. Messages sent in anger only exacerbate the situation and are usually regretted later. It's best to settle down and think about your response before starting a flame war. Blatant marketing messages are not allowed on this list, but information is welcome about new products and sources. Keep in mind that readers will not appreciate off-topic or hyped-up messages characteristic of direct-mail marketing. These are often the cause of a flame war. DON'T SHOUT - UNLESS YOU REALLY MEAN IT. The use of all uppercase letters is considered shouting, and therefore rude. However, they are useful to express strong opinions (both positive and negative). Each list has its own character, just like any real grouping of people. A list functions best when members respect each other and recognize the differences and eccentricities among other list members. 3.2: What about email attachments/ html in messages / binaries?: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Common nettiquite is to avoid sending any unsolicited email attachments to the list. Many subscribers are on low-bandwidth connections, and hate to have to download that 3.1 meg TIFF image of the quartz scepter you found last week. Experience has found that the best policy is to announce that there's a file (such as a picture, a trip map, a long text file, ect) to the group as a whole, and then to advise anyone who's interested in getting a copy to contact you off-list. Rockhounds is currently set to bounce any messages containing Microsoft Office documents and their various ilk (Visual Basic files, .SCR files, etc), straight to the administrator. Usually, he pipes them to /dev/null without reading them. Please do not send ANY binaries directyl to the newsgroup. With the wave of email viruses that have hit the net recently, it's not safe to even open some emails. Many email clients (Outlook, IE, Netscape) allow users to send 'enhanced" email with pictures, html text, hyperlinks, and the like. Please keep in mind that some of us die hards still use Pine or emacs to read our mail, and that all that pretty stuff just clutters up your messages. If at all possible, try to keep messages as plain-text only. If you don't know or trust the sender, don't download or run the attachment. Get virus checking software that runs on incoming or outgoing emails. AntiVirusGard (AVG) can be obtained free for non-commercial use at http://www.grisoft.com/. McAfee, Norton, and Network Associates (NAI) all make good commercial packages as well. 3.3: Can I advertise on the Rockhounds@Drizzle list? -------------------------------------------- Yes, within reason. Rockhounds@Drizzle is an unmoderated list, and, as such, everything is allowed to go through. However, we ask that your advertisement be directly related to rockhounding, lapidary work, minerals, etc. Examples of 'acceptable' advertisings would be, but not limited to: * Website / show / mine / product / trip announcements * Brief auction annoucments and listings * For Sale, Wanted type ads (rockhounding-related) We also ask that you keep the volume of the ads down. Usually, a posting once or twice a month is enough. Club announcents are especially welcome! Blatant, off topic unsolicited commercial email (UCE, or 'spam') will not be tolerated. Offenders will be warned by email once, then unsubscribed. If the abuse continues, you will be site-banned, and possibly referred to the Washington State Attorney General's office. Our server resides in Washington State, where UCE that is sent via bogus or faked email addresses is currently a crime. 3.4: What about spam (Unsolicited Commercial Email)? Is my personal information safe? ---------------------------------------------------- Rockhounds is set up to minimize exposure to spam. However, it does occasionally happen. When it does, the list administrator will usually handle it. Minor mistakes by list members (Joe Blow, a longtime member, posts an ad trying to sell his '77 Buick) will usually get a quick email. Major offenders (real spammers) are dealt with harshly. The list administrator will immediately put the offending address on a deny list. If the abuse continues, the list administrator will file the server in the deny.hosts file. If that still does not stop the spam, then all messages and evidence will be turned over to the Washington State Attorney General's office for potential . As the rockhounds server is located in Washington State, it is protected by the state's anti-spam law. See Chapter 19.190 RCW, 'Commercial Electronic Mail', of the Revised Code of Washington, at http://access.wa.gov/ The following text is quoted without permission from the Washington State Attorney General's office website. "Washington's law requires a sender of unsolicited commercial e-mail to truthfully identify the e-mail address the message came from. This allows the recipient the ability to reply to the sender directly so they can validate the source of the message or protest receiving it in the first place. Washington's law, which went into effect in June of this year, was one of the first in the country to regulate the sending of spam. The law prohibits the sending of unsolicited commercial e-mail that contains misleading information in its subject line, uses a third party's domain name without permission, or misrepresents the message's point of origin." ####################################### 4) Other online Rockhounding Resources ####################################### Needs an author / maintainer! ############################################### 5) Collecting Rules and Rockhounding Ettiquite ############################################### Needs an author / maintainer! ################################################## 6) Cleaning, maintaining, and presenting minerals ################################################## Needs an author / maintainer! ################################### 7) Rockhounding and Lapidary Tools ################################### Needs an author / maintainer! ################################################# 6) Buying and selling rocks and minerals online ################################################# Needs an author / maintainer! -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "I had a signature once, but I forgot to feed it. It died..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 7 09:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jul 7 08:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Draft FAQ (for your reference) THANK YOU Message-ID: <12b.13c26eee.2a59b3df@aol.com> Aaron Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to let us all know again, about what the Rockhounds site has to offer. Perhaps a yearly, 4 of July 'reminder draft' would be helpful ? ...... Appreciatively, RocknLight From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 7 18:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Jul 7 17:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saw blade rim speed In-Reply-To: <00c601c1ef1f$248364e0$026a5818@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020707174310.00b543d0@mail.spiritone.com> Does anyone know the recommended rim speed for the Barranca (aka MK Diamond) 303 continuous rim and 303 notched rim blades? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 7 19:10:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jul 7 18:10:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saw blade rim speed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020707174310.00b543d0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3D28E63A.BB4@Tomaszewski.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > > Does anyone know the recommended rim speed for the Barranca (aka MK > Diamond) 303 continuous rim and 303 notched rim blades? > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > Depends on size of cut. See table of recommended speeds at the bottom of the page at http://www.mytoolstore.com/mk/blap.html I found it as the first hit on google looking for "mk diamond 303 blade speed". From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 7 20:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Jul 7 19:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saw blade rim speed In-Reply-To: <3D28E63A.BB4@Tomaszewski.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020707174310.00b543d0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020707193740.00b5f508@mail.spiritone.com> That si so funny I tried 10 or so searches and didn't hit that page...or that site....sigh....thanks! At 09:09 PM 7/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the recommended rim speed for the Barranca (aka MK > > Diamond) 303 continuous rim and 303 notched rim blades? > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On! > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > > >Depends on size of cut. See table of recommended speeds at the bottom of >the page at > > http://www.mytoolstore.com/mk/blap.html > >I found it as the first hit on google looking for "mk diamond 303 blade >speed". Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 8 12:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jul 8 11:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Mont St. Hilaire material Message-ID: <001601c226ae$9b581040$105204d0@jim> I've finished cataloging the Mont St. Hilaire material I got recently, = and it's all on the list now. Yesterday I added Pyroclore, = Rhabdophane-(Ce), Monteregianite-(Y), Villiaumite, Bastnaesite-(Ce), = Nontronite, Donnayite-(Y), Brookite, Synchysite-(Ce), Dawsonite, Albite, = Gaidonnayite, and different habits of Pectolite and Genthelvite. All are on the "New Additions" page. Take a look! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 8 15:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Jul 8 14:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil Message-ID: <00b501c226c5$322fc740$bbca94d1@dmschmidt> > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a market price "standard" for a complete lizard > specimen in Copal? > > I have seen one in Colombian copal before, but have yet to see a price. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > thanks > > Michael > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 8 15:31:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Andy Parker) Date: Mon Jul 8 14:31:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] White stone In-Reply-To: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> References: <3d23760f.940866@smtp.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <3d2b0ca6.3596900@smtp.freeserve.net> Thanks for all the suggestions and offers, some of you have obviously thought a lot about it - you know who you are Kreigh. I have tried and discarded quartz (shows pattern), marble (surface appearance not like porcelain), alabaster - just naff basically and my opal was all to small or had colour ;-)) I have accepted an off list offer for some white agate/chalcedony (hey agate is my thing). Thanks again guys. Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary Ulverston, Cumbria, England andy@agatehouse.co.uk www.agatehouse.co.uk Tel: 01229 584023 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 8 17:21:10 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Jul 8 16:21:10 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil References: <00b501c226c5$322fc740$bbca94d1@dmschmidt> Message-ID: <00f001c226d4$edd6e140$f185a141@jgcornish> Hi Michael, Back at the '97 Tucson show I saw a copal specimen about 7 by 4 inches in the room of Australian dealer Ausrox with an included gecko. Can't remember the price or place of origin, but he (Rob) advertises in the Mineralogical Record (and may have a web presence ?), perhaps he'd be willing to pass on what his specimen sold for. All the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone recommend a market price "standard" for a complete lizard > > specimen in Copal? > > > > I have seen one in Colombian copal before, but have yet to see a price. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > thanks > > > > Michael > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 8 17:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Jul 8 16:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil References: <00b501c226c5$322fc740$bbca94d1@dmschmidt> <00f001c226d4$edd6e140$f185a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <016001c226d7$764ee020$bbca94d1@dmschmidt> i'm suspect of aussie material, because it's probably from new zealand, and if so is probably Kauri Gum resin, and could only be a few years old. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Gloria Cornish" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil > Hi Michael, > > Back at the '97 Tucson show I saw a copal specimen about 7 by 4 inches in > the room of Australian dealer Ausrox with an included gecko. Can't remember > the price or place of origin, but he (Rob) advertises in the Mineralogical > Record (and may have a web presence ?), perhaps he'd be willing to pass on > what his specimen sold for. All the best, > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can anyone recommend a market price "standard" for a complete lizard > > > specimen in Copal? > > > > > > I have seen one in Colombian copal before, but have yet to see a price. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 9 05:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue Jul 9 04:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil References: <00b501c226c5$322fc740$bbca94d1@dmschmidt> <00f001c226d4$edd6e140$f185a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <3D2AC92B.989868DE@emory.edu> Michael: Please keep in mind that complete lizards, geckos and other large "inclusions" in amber or copal are EXTREMELY rare and therefore, quite expensive. I believe George Poinar mentioned in his book "Life in Amber" that he only knew of 1 or 2 legitimate pieces. I think your chances of finding the real McCoy are less than being struck by lightening while holding up your winning lottery ticket! Anita John & Gloria Cornish wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Back at the '97 Tucson show I saw a copal specimen about 7 by 4 inches in > the room of Australian dealer Ausrox with an included gecko. Can't remember > the price or place of origin, but he (Rob) advertises in the Mineralogical > Record (and may have a web presence ?), perhaps he'd be willing to pass on > what his specimen sold for. All the best, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can anyone recommend a market price "standard" for a complete lizard > > > specimen in Copal? > > > > > > I have seen one in Colombian copal before, but have yet to see a price. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 9 13:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (bobo) Date: Tue Jul 9 12:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil In-Reply-To: <3D2AC92B.989868DE@emory.edu> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'm not "into" fossils, nor would I be able to discern the diff between copal, amber or a hardened bit of sap from a Georgia pine , but this thread jogged a dusty memory which I'll share. I remember a story or news blip re: the lizard that sold in Tucson (which I thought was in amber)....was one of those tales that made me go "WOW", before moving along in thought. To the best of my recollection, the selling price was around $65K. Hope this helps or draws someone out with more concrete info. With warm regards, Greg John & Gloria Cornish wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Back at the '97 Tucson show I saw a copal specimen about 7 by 4 inches in > the room of Australian dealer Ausrox with an included gecko. Can't remember > the price or place of origin, but he (Rob) advertises in the Mineralogical > Record (and may have a web presence ?), perhaps he'd be willing to pass on > what his specimen sold for. All the best, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] lizard fossil > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can anyone recommend a market price "standard" for a complete lizard > > > specimen in Copal? > > > > > > I have seen one in Colombian copal before, but have yet to see a price. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 9 20:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Tue Jul 9 19:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock/Fossil Swap in Houston TX References: <20020710010001.9438.11137.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3D2B9842.FD365F5D@swbell.net> All are invited to the upcoming Rock/Fossil Swap in Houston TX. Come and look, or some with your collection and sell/trade. PRESS RELEASE What: First Annual Texas Rock And Fossil Summer Swap Where: HGMS Club House (see below for driving directions) Date: Sunday, July 14, 2002 Time: 1-5PM Cost: Free Come one, come all to the First Annual Texas Rock And Fossil Summer Swap. This event is a venue for rockhounds from around the state to swap/trade/sell their rock and fossil specimens. We will also have a "Brag Night/Rockhound Poetry" reading competition for those who wish to participate. The HGMS clubhouse has full amenities - water, electric, bathrooms and A/C. This is a tail gate affair so please bring your own tables, chairs, food, et cetera. If you have special needs please email Ed Tindell at ed-tindell@sprynet.com with your request. Directions to the HGMS Clubhouse: The HGMS clubhouse is in the northwest corner of the Beltway 8 (Sam Houston Toll road) and Highway 59 (Southwest Freeway) about 10 miles southwest of Houston, Texas. The address is 10805 Brooklet, Houston, Tx 77099, on the northeast corner of Rockley and Brooklet. Coming south on Beltway 8, I exit at the last frontage road exit before the toll road exit onto Hwy 59. Going down a few blocks, I turn right onto Roark Road and then Rockley is the first turn on the right. The clubhouse is on my right after going down Rockley for one block. Going southwest on Hwy 59, I exit either on the frontage road just before coming up on the Toll road exit, or at the Murphy road exit almost under the large highway interchange. Then I turn right on Stanclift off the frontage road. Then make the first right onto Brooklet. The clubhouse is on my right after about three blocks on Brooklet. Most other directions (and taking the smaller streets) get you to either the corner of Bissonnet & Wilcrest ... or West Bellfort & Wilcrest. Wilcrest is a north-south street and Rockley is an east-west street north of West Bellfort and south of Bissonnet. The clubhouse is several blocks east of Wilcrest on the left side of Rockley. There is a large ROCK on the corner of Wilcrest and Rockley. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 9 20:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 9 19:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) Message-ID: <3D2B9F4D.34AE@Tomaszewski.net> Quartz comes in many colors. I know the pink in 'Rose Quartz' comes from a Dumortierite impurity. What impurity causes the purple of Amethyst? Or the orange if Citrine? The black of Smokey Quartz? And then we have agates. Do the different colors represent different mineral inpurities? Do you know which are which? Or are they simply due to different sized crystals of quartz? Other materials/minerals have different colors at different (particle) sizes, which is why the 'streak test' is effective for identification. And while we're talking about Quartz, does anyone know how quartz is deposited as a sedimentary (hydrothermal) crystal? My current understanding is that it takes water under great pressure and heat to dissolve enough SiO2 to form crystals; they are probably formed quickly when the pressure is released (or slowly as the temperature drops). Quartz does form different minerals if crystals form at different temperatures (paired rhombehedral {or beta quartz} above 573 degrees C {alpha quartz below), Tridymite above 870 degrees C, and Cristobalite above 1470 degrees C). But I have not heard of any understanding of the formation good enough to make an artificial quartz crystal (except by the igneous process). What can you tell me about quartz? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 9 22:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Jul 9 21:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) In-Reply-To: <3D2B9F4D.34AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: > Quartz comes in many colors. > > I know the pink in 'Rose Quartz' comes from a Dumortierite impurity. > > What impurity causes the purple of Amethyst? Or the orange if Citrine? > The black of Smokey Quart Amethyst: Trace iron as Fe04(4-). Smokey Quartz: Trace Al3+ as AlO4(4-). Smokey quartz usually starts out clear; I believe I've read that it takes minor amounts of irradiation to bring out the colors. Citrine: not sure. Check google? I've been told that if you heat amethyst up (~ 800 deg F), you can approximate citrine. So it could be reduced Fe as the contaminant? Rose Quartz: Trace Ti4+. Assuming it bonds as an oxide, but not sure of charge imballance. Not sure about the dumortierite; could Ti be complexing in lieu of boron? Milky Quartz: Largely due to fluid and / or gas inclusions. > And then we have agates. Do the different colors represent different > mineral inpurities? Do you know which are which? Agate is essentially layers upon layers of chalcedony. Chalcedony is typically "fibrous"; it's a microcrystalline version of quartz. I believe that most moss agates get the pattern from inclusions of manganese oxide. > Or are they simply due to different sized crystals of quartz? Other > materials/minerals have different colors at different (particle) sizes, > which is why the 'streak test' is effective for identification. The colors are mostly due to "contaminants". There are pretty much two types of low-T quartz: * Fibrous: Chalcedony, Carnelian, Chrysoprase, agate, onyx, heliotrope * Granular: Flint, chert, jasper (color comes from included hematite), prase (like jasper, only I believe nickel oxides are the contaminants) * Opal: "Amorphous" hydrated silica. However, XRD shows that opal crystal structure is basically little spheres of silica in a close-packed arrangement, with water and/or air between the spheres. > And while we're talking about Quartz, does anyone know how quartz is > deposited as a sedimentary (hydrothermal) crystal? Hydrothermal and sedimentary are two different things. Quartz, as a cement in sedimentary rock, comes from two places: * Detrital quartz grains will anneal together under enough pressure and temperature * P/T changes during diagenesis allow precipitation from solution trapped between mineral grains. Hydrothermal deposits are volcanic-related. Basically, you have groundwater heated by hot rocks. As the water moves away from the heat source, both pressure and temperature drop. As these two drop, the solubility of quartz decreases. Eventually, the solution becomes saturated, and the quartz precipitates out as a mineral. The contaminants come from other minerals and rocks that the heated groundwater has come in contact with. > My current understanding is that it takes water under great pressure and > heat to dissolve enough SiO2 to form crystals; they are probably formed > quickly when the pressure is released (or slowly as the temperature > drops). Define "great".....;-) > Quartz does form different minerals if crystals form at different > temperatures (paired rhombehedral {or beta quartz} above 573 degrees C > {alpha quartz below), Tridymite above 870 degrees C, and Cristobalite > above 1470 degrees C). Polymorphs. Chemical composition is the same, but crystal structure is not. It's a little tough to draw a phase diagram, but I'll try with words. There are two high-pressure polymorphs for Si02: * Coesite: Stable above from 400 degrees c @ 25 kbar pressure, to 2000 degrees C at ~42 kbar pressure * Stishovit: in general, stable about 80 kbars. Not sure of the temperature range There are several "low" pressure pressure polymorphs: * amorphous silica (chalcedony, opal when hydrated). Low T, usually moderate to acidic environments. * Alpha quartz: Stable at the surface (0 kbar) to ~600 degrees C; but as the pressure increases, stability range goes up to ~ 1200 degrees at 30 kbar * Beta quartz: Stable from ~600 c at surface pressures, to well over 2000 degrees below 40 bars. * Tridymite: A low-pressure (below ~3 kbar) polymorph, usually stable between 800 deg C and 1550 deg C * Cristobalite: Stable up to 5 kbar, from ~ 1550 deg C to ~1750 deg C. The liquidus line for pure silica begins at approximately 1750 C at surface pressures, but increases to over 2000 degrees at greater than 30 kbar of pressure. Phew. It's been a long time since geochem.... In relatively low-temperature, low pressure systems (up to ~400 deg C) such as hot springs (epithermal), solution pH plays a HUGE role in the solubility of quartz. > But I have not heard of any understanding of the formation good enough > to make an artificial quartz crystal (except by the igneous process). Once again, Google, the source for everything. http://rockhoundingar.com/quartz/synthetic.html > > What can you tell me about quartz? Uh, that's about all I know...... Cheers! afox -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "I had a signature once, but I forgot to feed it. It died..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 05:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Wed Jul 10 04:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Italian Mineral Adventures Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020710070913.03198e48@po2.bbn.com> I recently resubscribed to the list after an absence of several months. I= =20 unsubscribed in April when I was about to go off to northern Italy for 10=20 days. Since several list members helped provide recommendations for=20 mineral related sights to see in Italy, I thought there might be interest=20 in the following article that I wrote for my club (Boston Mineral Club)=20 newsletter upon my return. =93Minerali di Itialia=94 Presidents Message by Nathan Martin One of the nice things about mineral collecting is that it is a portable=20 hobby. You can be almost anywhere in the world and still find ways to=20 pursue the interest. In late April, my wife and I had the good fortune to= =20 spend 10 days in northern Italy. We were touring with an amateur musical=20 group that sang in a number of churches including the Basilica of Saint=20 Mark in Venice and the Basilica of Saint Anthony in Padua. That in itself= =20 was an amazing experience but is not the subject of this message. The trip also gave me a chance to get better familiar with some of the=20 classic minerals found in Italy. I made it a point beforehand to do some=20 internet research to identify museums in the cities that we planned to=20 visit; Padua, Bolzano and Venice. One of the best sources of information=20 was Alessandro Genazzani's website www.ItalianMinerals.com . His link list= =20 includes a number of mineral museums in Italy including a mineral museum=20 associated with the Universit=E0 degli Studi di Padova (Padua=20 University). Although the website was in Italian I was able to obtain=20 enough of a translation using one of the online machine translation=20 routines to decide that it was worth a visit. An email to Alessandro=20 revealed that there was also a museum of natural history in Bolzano. I=20 decided to visit both! I visited the museum in Padua on a Monday morning and found a compact but=20 interesting collection housed in about 20 cases in a well lit room about=20 one-third the size of the main mineral collection room at the Harvard=20 Museum of Natural History. This is clearly a teaching collection and the=20 room constantly had a half dozen or so students with notebooks in hand=20 looking at various specimens in the systematic collection. I largely=20 ignored the systematic collection and concentrated on the cases that=20 emphasized minerals from various regions of Italy. I was particularly=20 impressed by a large display of Sicilian Zolfo (sulfur) specimens and the=20 collection of minerals from isola de Elba (the island of Elba). This=20 included the expected matrix specimens of elbaite tourmaline. In addition= =20 there were spectacular pirite (pyrite) specimens (some unfortunately=20 suffering from =93pyrite disease=94) and lustrous platy ematite (hematite)= =20 specimens from Rio Marina, isola de Elba. One especially attractive=20 specimen consisted of bright pyrite cubes sprinkled about a lustrous matrix= =20 of hematite. The contrast was spectacular! I spent two hours in the museum taking notes and trying to take photos of=20 the best specimens. It was a wonderful break from touring cathedrals and=20 local museums looking at frescos and other works of art (I was suffering=20 from severe fresco overload at the time). I also learned that the area=20 around Bolzano (the next town on our tour) once had mines that produced my= =20 favorite mineral, fluorite. Before leaving Padua I was able to purchase a= =20 small mineral handbook (in Italian) that contains the usual mineral=20 descriptions and pictures of minerals. The interesting thing for me was=20 that many of the example photos were of minerals from Italian localities. Although we only spent two days in Bolzano, it was my absolute favorite of= =20 all the places we visited. It lies in a valley at the foot of the alps in= =20 a region that the Italians call the Alto Adige. This is a prosperous and=20 beautiful town with elegant (and expensive) shops, a beautiful town square= =20 and mountains in every direction. We did a two mile hike up to a local=20 castle one morning and the scenery was fantastic. I managed to collect=20 some local rock samples but alas did not come across any mines or=20 quarries. I looked in vain for a mineral dealer but could not find one=20 anywhere. It turned out that I had just missed a local mineral show by one= =20 day (judging from the brochure, something akin to the Gilsum swap=20 meet). In case anyone is interested I brought home the flier which=20 includes the name of the show chairman from a local mineral club in the=20 next town. While in Bolzano, I did visit the "Museo di Scienze Naturali dell=92Alto=20 Adige" one afternoon and found it to be a very modern museum with=20 well-designed exhibits. About one-third of the museum is devoted to the=20 geology of the area. My favorite display was a recreation of an alpine=20 cleft pocket. Unfortunately, all of the descriptions are printed in only=20 two languages, German and Italian. I knew just enough of each language to= =20 piece together a general idea of what was being described but was=20 constantly wishing that I had worked harder to learn Italian before taking= =20 the trip. The displays of mineral specimens were relatively small, only=20 about 75 specimens altogether, but all were local and there were some very= =20 nice specimens to see. Of particular note was a 5 cm quarzo (quartz)=20 scepter on matrix from Val di Vizze, an 8 cm granato (garnet)=20 interpenetration twin from Val Passiria, and a large (~10 cm) white=20 anaclime crystal from Alpe di Siusi. I tried again to take some pictures=20 of the specimens and purchased the Italian version of the museum guidebook= =20 to try to get translated when I got back home (Does anyone know a bilingual= =20 Italian geologist?). When we finally got to Venice I was determined to find a mineral=20 dealer. Fortunately, we did a tour of the Doge=92s Palace (more beautiful= =20 priceless artwork=85=85yawn) with an English-speaking guide who was able to= =20 suggest a shop that had mineral specimens. I went there the same day and=20 although the selection was not extensive I did purchase some small=20 reminders of my trip to Italy: a couple of fluorites from Trento, a neat=20 specimen of tabular surfur crystals on fluorescent aragonite from Sicily, a= =20 spessartine garnet specimen and a celestite specimen. None are world class= =20 specimens but they have significantly increased my Italian collection. I have recently read Alessandro Genazzani's description of collecting=20 zeolites in the Alpe di Siusi region=20 (http://www.ItalianMinerals.com/Zeoliti-siusi/zeolites-siusi.html) and am=20 ready to go back. Hmmm=85=85how about a BMC field trip to Italy this fall? Copywright June 2002 by Nathan C. Martin (all rights reserved) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 05:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Wed Jul 10 04:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) References: <3D2B9F4D.34AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001101c22805$2ad5d700$093e27c4@horstspc> Hi Kreigh, In the late sixties, I visited a prospector in South West Africa (now Namibia) and out of amethyst which he had collected in the Brandberg area he was heating in a charcoal burner to make citrine. Many people called this "yellow topaz" (which in reality does not exist), in order to get a higher price. Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) > Quartz comes in many colors. > > I know the pink in 'Rose Quartz' comes from a Dumortierite impurity. > > What impurity causes the purple of Amethyst? Or the orange if Citrine? > The black of Smokey Quartz? > > And then we have agates. Do the different colors represent different > mineral inpurities? Do you know which are which? > > Or are they simply due to different sized crystals of quartz? Other > materials/minerals have different colors at different (particle) sizes, > which is why the 'streak test' is effective for identification. > > And while we're talking about Quartz, does anyone know how quartz is > deposited as a sedimentary (hydrothermal) crystal? > > My current understanding is that it takes water under great pressure and > heat to dissolve enough SiO2 to form crystals; they are probably formed > quickly when the pressure is released (or slowly as the temperature > drops). > > Quartz does form different minerals if crystals form at different > temperatures (paired rhombehedral {or beta quartz} above 573 degrees C > {alpha quartz below), Tridymite above 870 degrees C, and Cristobalite > above 1470 degrees C). > > But I have not heard of any understanding of the formation good enough > to make an artificial quartz crystal (except by the igneous process). > > What can you tell me about quartz? > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 05:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Jul 10 04:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals Message-ID: Hey all, We had a discussion on another list "E-min" here that lead us indirectly to some questions concerning the electrical conductivity of minerals. Some people thought that you can differentiate between e.g. pyrite and gold by roughly verifying wether the grain is conductive or not, but my experience learned me that it is not that simple. In a previous life (more than 20 years ago), when I was setting up experiments with SIMS (secondary ion mass spectrometry) and microprobe, I experienced that it is not necessary to make the surface of pyrite specimens conductive to avoid charge build up. Pyrite seems to be a relatively good conductor for electricity. In all types of textbooks we can find easily data for each mineral on density, hardness etc. but for sulphides it would be usefull to see data on the conductivity. Any thoughts on that ? Are there any lists of mineral properties that include electric conductivity ? Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 07:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Wed Jul 10 06:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) In-Reply-To: References: <3D2B9F4D.34AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Aaron gave some pretty good answers to the quartz questions. Let me add a few things. 1) The "rose" in rose quartz apparently does comes from dumortierite-like mineral inclusions. This was discovered during some etching experiments on quartz from many localities. On the rose quartz, the etched surface was full of pink fibers. Recent work shows the fibers to be like dumortierite, but not quite dumortierite. I've recently written a little news-letter article on this that should be out some time this Fall. 2) In Lake Superior agates found in my area lot of the coloring agent is iron, but you can also seen little layers with native copper flecks in them. I suspect the variety of colors in agates world wide reflects lots of different metal impurities in the silica. The latest issue of Rocks and Minerals has a terrific article by Daniel Kile on the origin of moss and plume agate from the Del Norte area of Colorado. He finds the orange plumes to be amorphous iron oxides, the black plumes to be due to Mn-bearing minerals plus or minus barite and possibly coronadite, and the white plumes are opal. 3) Lastly, hydrothermal simply denotes "hot water", and is thus non-generic as to origin. Hot watery soutions capable of carrying silica in solution and depositing quartz can be related to water expelled from crystallizing plutons, or related to volcanic processes. Such fluids can also be released from rocks during metamorphic processes in the abscence of magma. Some form due to sedimentary processes,such as water getting buried in sediments and being expelled as the sediments are deeply buried. Indeed some hydrothermal fluids originate from a combination of sources. For example, a magma may intrude a bunch of sediments. Hydrothermal fluids seep out of the cooling magma and mix with gorund water in the sediments that has been heated by being near the magma. BTW, you know you're a rock hound when your shopping list reads: "Milk - get 2 quartz". Best wisehs - Bill Cordua >> Quartz comes in many colors. >> >> I know the pink in 'Rose Quartz' comes from a Dumortierite impurity. >> >> What impurity causes the purple of Amethyst? Or the orange if Citrine? >> The black of Smokey Quart > >Amethyst: Trace iron as Fe04(4-). > >Smokey Quartz: Trace Al3+ as AlO4(4-). Smokey quartz usually starts out >clear; I believe I've read that it takes minor amounts of irradiation to >bring out the colors. > >Citrine: not sure. Check google? I've been told that if you heat amethyst >up (~ 800 deg F), you can approximate citrine. So it could be reduced Fe >as the contaminant? > >Rose Quartz: Trace Ti4+. Assuming it bonds as an oxide, but not sure of >charge imballance. Not sure about the dumortierite; could Ti be complexing >in lieu of boron? > >Milky Quartz: Largely due to fluid and / or gas inclusions. > >> And then we have agates. Do the different colors represent different >> mineral inpurities? Do you know which are which? > >Agate is essentially layers upon layers of chalcedony. Chalcedony is >typically "fibrous"; it's a microcrystalline version of quartz. > >I believe that most moss agates get the pattern from inclusions of >manganese oxide. > >> Or are they simply due to different sized crystals of quartz? Other >> materials/minerals have different colors at different (particle) sizes, >> which is why the 'streak test' is effective for identification. > >The colors are mostly due to "contaminants". There are pretty much two >types of low-T quartz: > >* Fibrous: Chalcedony, Carnelian, Chrysoprase, agate, onyx, heliotrope >* Granular: Flint, chert, jasper (color comes from included hematite), >prase (like jasper, only I believe nickel oxides are the contaminants) > >* Opal: "Amorphous" hydrated silica. However, XRD shows that opal crystal >structure is basically little spheres of silica in a close-packed >arrangement, with water and/or air between the spheres. > >> And while we're talking about Quartz, does anyone know how quartz is >> deposited as a sedimentary (hydrothermal) crystal? > >Hydrothermal and sedimentary are two different things. > >Quartz, as a cement in sedimentary rock, comes from two places: > * Detrital quartz grains will anneal together under enough >pressure and temperature > * P/T changes during diagenesis allow precipitation from solution >trapped between mineral grains. > >Hydrothermal deposits are volcanic-related. Basically, you have >groundwater heated by hot rocks. As the water moves away from the heat >source, both pressure and temperature drop. As these two drop, the >solubility of quartz decreases. Eventually, the solution becomes >saturated, and the quartz precipitates out as a mineral. The contaminants >come from other minerals and rocks that the heated groundwater has come in >contact with. > >> My current understanding is that it takes water under great pressure and >> heat to dissolve enough SiO2 to form crystals; they are probably formed >> quickly when the pressure is released (or slowly as the temperature >> drops). > >Define "great".....;-) > >> Quartz does form different minerals if crystals form at different >> temperatures (paired rhombehedral {or beta quartz} above 573 degrees C >> {alpha quartz below), Tridymite above 870 degrees C, and Cristobalite >> above 1470 degrees C). > >Polymorphs. Chemical composition is the same, but crystal structure is >not. > >It's a little tough to draw a phase diagram, but I'll try with words. > >There are two high-pressure polymorphs for Si02: > * Coesite: Stable above from 400 degrees c @ 25 kbar pressure, to >2000 degrees C at ~42 kbar pressure > * Stishovit: in general, stable about 80 kbars. Not sure of the >temperature range > >There are several "low" pressure pressure polymorphs: > * amorphous silica (chalcedony, opal when hydrated). Low T, >usually moderate to acidic environments. > * Alpha quartz: Stable at the surface (0 kbar) to ~600 degrees C; >but as the pressure increases, stability range goes up to ~ 1200 degrees >at 30 kbar > * Beta quartz: Stable from ~600 c at surface pressures, to well >over 2000 degrees below 40 bars. > * Tridymite: A low-pressure (below ~3 kbar) polymorph, usually >stable between 800 deg C and 1550 deg C > * Cristobalite: Stable up to 5 kbar, from ~ 1550 deg C to ~1750 >deg C. > >The liquidus line for pure silica begins at approximately 1750 C at >surface pressures, but increases to over 2000 degrees at greater than 30 >kbar of pressure. > >Phew. It's been a long time since geochem.... > >In relatively low-temperature, low pressure systems (up to ~400 deg C) >such as hot springs (epithermal), solution pH plays a HUGE role in the >solubility of quartz. > >> But I have not heard of any understanding of the formation good enough >> to make an artificial quartz crystal (except by the igneous process). > >Once again, Google, the source for everything. > >http://rockhoundingar.com/quartz/synthetic.html > >> >> What can you tell me about quartz? > >Uh, that's about all I know...... > >Cheers! > >afox > >-- >afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > >"I had a signature once, but I forgot to feed it. It died..." > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 08:58:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 10 07:58:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) Message-ID: <1A1D5052.797ABC0B.02180873@aol.com> On the subject of needing heat and pressure to grow quartz crystals, the real driver is temperature. In short hot solutions of silica hold more than colder ones and saturated solutions moving from hot to cooler enviroments deposit the quartz as crystals. Pressure is only important in that it enables water, the solvent, to exceed 100 degrees C. The process will occur even at cool temperatures, it just takes longer. In additon, pH probably has much to do with it too as a little alkalinity substantially increases silica solubility. Silica gel and colloidal silicas (Opal) are made in industry by neutralizing an alkaline silicate solution Gene Hartstein Newark, DE From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 09:22:35 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Wed Jul 10 08:22:35 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP References: Message-ID: <029101c22824$c7ce1260$9bed76d5@pandora.be> Hi all, Let me explain in some more detail what happened: while discussing conductivity as a valid and determinative property of native gold, Rik correctly stated that pyrite shows good conductivity as well. I was rather sceptic about his remark, and so I played around a bit with some minerals, a simple 1,5 Volts battery (a penlight type, available all over the world) and "an electric multimeter" (sold in most hardware stores, used for measuring voltages etc.). My plan was simple: measuring if minerals conducted (this low amount of) electricity. To find out, I just took some crystallized mineral specimens, put one (the negative) end of the multimeter to the flat (negative) side of the battery, hold the + side of the battery to one side of a crystal, and then look if any electrical charge could be measured when holding the other (positive) end of the multimeter to the (other side of the) crystal. Off course this was a first and very unhandy way of testing, but it worked. To my surprise, pyrite (among other minerals) showed to be a great conductor. Other minerals turned out to be conductors as well. Since pyrite is a sulphide mineral (iron disulphide to be correct), I checked mainly this category of minerals, even though I assume certain oxides will be conductive too. What I discovered, is that some minerals pass along about the full charge they are exposed to (= good conductors), while others are not conductive at all. Even more interesting is that a few minerals, like tetrahedrite for example, are "semi-conductors" : only about half of the charge they were exposed to could be measured "at the other side of the crystal". This brings us to another field to explore: tetrahedrite makes a complete series with tennantite... has tennantite the same conductivity as tetrahedrite? If not, could they be distinguished from each other by this simple test (by using a callibrated voltmeter, off course)? So in short: different minerals show different electrical conductivity. This property is most probably specific for each mineral (to test on "pure minerals", I only checked crystallized specimens). Besides, this is a property everyone can test. Then why is not this property mentioned in any mineral handbooks? Or is it? CALL FOR HELP: As far as I know, the above described property of minerals has not as yet been described (or at least, not listed in a book; not like has been done for the fluorescent minerals for example). If so, this is something that could be usefull for all mineral collectors, and thus it should be made available to all. I am willing to collect the data and put it on my website, but I need the help of some (advanced) systematic collectors, to be able to cover as many minerals as possible. Those willing to help, please drop me a note off list. Thanks. Sincerely, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 12:35:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Wed Jul 10 11:35:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Message-ID: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6D2@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Hi, Just writing to introduce myself to the list. I am currently living in Olympia Washington. Me and my son Thomas ( Age 7 ) and my daughter laurel (Age 4) have just started rock hounding this year. We were all hooked right away and joined a local club. We have been going on any organized field trips we can find and have been having a great time. I am sure I will have lots of questions for the list in the future and as I become more experienced maybe even some answers. Mike Messenger From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 12:45:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Jul 10 11:45:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6D2@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Message-ID: Hi Mike and Thomas, Literally : welcome to the club ! Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Mike Messenger Sent: 10 July, 2002 8:27 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com; rocksandfossils@yahoogroups.com; RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Hi, Just writing to introduce myself to the list. I am currently living in Olympia Washington. Me and my son Thomas ( Age 7 ) and my daughter laurel (Age 4) have just started rock hounding this year. We were all hooked right away and joined a local club. We have been going on any organized field trips we can find and have been having a great time. I am sure I will have lots of questions for the list in the future and as I become more experienced maybe even some answers. Mike Messenger _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 12:58:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Wed Jul 10 11:58:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP References: <029101c22824$c7ce1260$9bed76d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <001701c22843$a5959a00$d307c850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Herwig, To my knowledge 'semiconductors' doesn't mean a conductor with a certain resistance. It is a conductor that only allows current to go in one direction, from A to B and not from B to A. Just like an LED, it has a diode function. The whole transistor tech. is based on this. I think what you mean is that the specimen has some resistance. Is this what you found out with your experiments? BTW the original discussion was about recognizing Gold from other yellow 'things'. Could be pyrite and ... Of course there are much easier ways to see this. Density, XL-surfaces, malliability, ... Scientists working with SEM know exactly what xls are conductive or not, the latter need to be coated with a conductive layer. Now, from the discussion ironically it has to be done either with carbon or ...GOLD. Have fun Herwig, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "herwig pelckmans" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP > Hi all, > > Let me explain in some more detail what happened: while discussing > conductivity as a valid and determinative property of native gold, Rik > correctly stated that pyrite shows good conductivity as well. > I was rather sceptic about his remark, and so I played around a bit with > some minerals, a simple 1,5 Volts battery (a penlight type, available all > over the world) and "an electric multimeter" (sold in most hardware stores, > used for measuring voltages etc.). > > My plan was simple: measuring if minerals conducted (this low amount of) > electricity. To find out, I just took some crystallized mineral specimens, > put one (the negative) end of the multimeter to the flat (negative) side of > the battery, hold the + side of the battery to one side of a crystal, and > then look if any electrical charge could be measured when holding the other > (positive) end of the multimeter to the (other side of the) crystal. Off > course this was a first and very unhandy way of testing, but it worked. To > my surprise, pyrite (among other minerals) showed to be a great conductor. > Other minerals turned out to be conductors as well. > > Since pyrite is a sulphide mineral (iron disulphide to be correct), I > checked mainly this category of minerals, even though I assume certain > oxides will be conductive too. What I discovered, is that some minerals pass > along about the full charge they are exposed to (= good conductors), while > others are not conductive at all. Even more interesting is that a few > minerals, like tetrahedrite for example, are "semi-conductors" : only about > half of the charge they were exposed to could be measured "at the other side > of the crystal". > This brings us to another field to explore: tetrahedrite makes a complete > series with tennantite... has tennantite the same conductivity as > tetrahedrite? If not, could they be distinguished from each other by this > simple test (by using a callibrated voltmeter, off course)? > > So in short: different minerals show different electrical conductivity. This > property is most probably specific for each mineral (to test on "pure > minerals", I only checked crystallized specimens). Besides, this is a > property everyone can test. Then why is not this property mentioned in any > mineral handbooks? Or is it? > > CALL FOR HELP: > As far as I know, the above described property of minerals has not as yet > been described (or at least, not listed in a book; not like has been done > for the fluorescent minerals for example). If so, this is something that > could be usefull for all mineral collectors, and thus it should be made > available to all. I am willing to collect the data and put it on my website, > but I need the help of some (advanced) systematic collectors, to be able to > cover as many minerals as possible. Those willing to help, please drop me a > note off list. Thanks. > > Sincerely, Herwig > > Herwig Pelckmans > Worldwide Mineral Collector > Cardijnstraat 12 > B-3530 Helchteren > Belgium Europe > http://www.xlizd.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 13:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 10 12:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] re:conductivities Message-ID: <200207101910.g6AJAx007290@mail.storm.ca> Rik and anyone else interested: Rik wrote: >>In all types of textbooks we can find easily data >>for each mineral on density, hardness etc. >>but for sulphides it would be >>usefull to see data on the conductivity. >>Any thoughts on that ? Are there >>any lists of mineral properties that >>include electric conductivity Here are a few selected values, hope this is useful: (resistivity is inverse of conductivity) Resistivities in Ohm-m Gold: 1.2 x 10^-8 Graphite: 2.8 x 10^-5 Arsenopyrite: 8.0 x 10^-1 to 15 Chalcocite: 3.0 x 10^-5 to 1.0 x 10^-4 Chalcopyrite: 3.0 x 10^-5 to 2.0 x 10^-1 Cuprite: 10 to 50 Galena: 6.8 x 10^-6 to 5.8 x 10^-1 Magnetite: 9.3 x 10^-5 to 1.0 x 10^+4 !!!! Pyrite: 1.0 x 10^-5 to 6.0 x 10^-1 Pyrrhotite: 2.0 x 10^-4 to 1.6 x 10^-4 Sphalerite: 1.8 x 10^-2 to 4.0 x 10^+4 Granite: up to 1 x 10^+10 depending on water content. >From this, gold is 1000 times more conductive than pyrite, which is up to 10^+13 times more conductive than granite! Much of variation seen for example in magnetite is whether the mineral is massive vs crystalline, pure/impure. As a side note, despite the extremely low resistivity of gold, there is never enough present to affect the bulk property of a rock mass, so geophysicists generally look for associated sulphides. Data from Practical Geophysics, Chapter 2 (IP and Resistivity) (Tables more complete than the limited information presented here). PS anyone doing MSH the 27th? Cheers David J. Smith From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 13:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 10 12:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP Message-ID: >>Semiconductor...It is a conductor that only allows current to go in one direction, from A to B and not from B to A.<< Ahhh no, that is not correct. A semiconductor has different conductivities (or if you prefer the reciprical resistivity) at different temperatures (not direction). Semiconductors specifically have decreasing resistivity with increasing temperature. The properties of silicon are changed in terms of resistivity by minute changes in doping material (the original silicon must be at least 6 9's pure 99.999999% and the dopant is measured out around the 5th decimal) As to conductivity related to minerals, it isn't useful as conductivity is based on a number of parameters not the least of which is chemical composition. Minerals have a gross 'this is what it is made of' but the variation between different locals (minor changes in exact composition) would add so much noise this is a meangingless measurement in terms of a diagnostic. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 14:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Barbara and David Fenstermacher) Date: Wed Jul 10 13:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6D2@bluefin.nwifc.wa.go v> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020710160825.01d95630@mail.mindspring.com> Mike, And we also welcome you to a hobby that will go on for a lifetime and fill every new adventure and avenue along the way. From collecting in the field - and educating yourself and family about the mineralogy/geology/paleontology of your finds. From fashioning these for the art of ornamentation or pristine displays of specimens. And the culmination of what it is all about - teaching others and volunteering your time to keep the hobby going. Barbara and Dave Fenstermacher At 11:27 AM 7/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >Just writing to introduce myself to the list. I am currently living in >Olympia Washington. Me and my son Thomas ( Age 7 ) and my daughter laurel >(Age 4) have just started rock hounding this year. We were all hooked >right away and joined a local club. We have been going on any organized >field trips we can find and have been having a great time. I am sure I >will have lots of questions for the list in the future and as I become >more experienced maybe even some answers. > >Mike Messenger >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 15:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Rodebaugh) Date: Wed Jul 10 14:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020710160825.01d95630@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <003801c2285a$ec937690$8c2f898b@ccf.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Barbara and > David Fenstermacher > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:20 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Introduction > > > Mike, > And we also welcome you to a hobby that will go on for a lifetime > and fill > every new adventure and avenue (and garage, and basement, and yard) > along the way. > From collecting in the field - and educating yourself and family > about the > mineralogy/geology/paleontology of your finds. > From fashioning these for the art of ornamentation or pristine > displays of > specimens. > And the culmination of what it is all about - teaching others and > volunteering your time to keep the hobby going. > Barbara and Dave Fenstermacher > > > > At 11:27 AM 7/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Just writing to introduce myself to the list. I am currently living in > >Olympia Washington. Me and my son Thomas ( Age 7 ) and my > daughter laurel > >(Age 4) have just started rock hounding this year. We were all hooked > >right away and joined a local club. We have been going on any organized > >field trips we can find and have been having a great time. I am sure I > >will have lots of questions for the list in the future and as I become > >more experienced maybe even some answers. > > > >Mike Messenger > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 16:04:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jul 10 15:04:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP References: <029101c22824$c7ce1260$9bed76d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <000701c2285c$e515ab20$595204d0@jim> Dana's Textbook, 4th Edition, states: In general most minerals, except those having a metallic luster among the sulphides and oxides, are non-conductors. It also states: Experiments have shown that electrical conductivity is alike in all directions in isometric crystals and that in crystals of other systems it varies with the crystal direction, conforming to the same laws that govern the transmission of light. This might complicate the proposed study. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: herwig pelckmans To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP > Hi all, > > Let me explain in some more detail what happened: while discussing > conductivity as a valid and determinative property of native gold, Rik > correctly stated that pyrite shows good conductivity as well. > I was rather sceptic about his remark, and so I played around a bit with > some minerals, a simple 1,5 Volts battery (a penlight type, available all > over the world) and "an electric multimeter" (sold in most hardware stores, > used for measuring voltages etc.). > > My plan was simple: measuring if minerals conducted (this low amount of) > electricity. To find out, I just took some crystallized mineral specimens, > put one (the negative) end of the multimeter to the flat (negative) side of > the battery, hold the + side of the battery to one side of a crystal, and > then look if any electrical charge could be measured when holding the other > (positive) end of the multimeter to the (other side of the) crystal. Off > course this was a first and very unhandy way of testing, but it worked. To > my surprise, pyrite (among other minerals) showed to be a great conductor. > Other minerals turned out to be conductors as well. > > Since pyrite is a sulphide mineral (iron disulphide to be correct), I > checked mainly this category of minerals, even though I assume certain > oxides will be conductive too. What I discovered, is that some minerals pass > along about the full charge they are exposed to (= good conductors), while > others are not conductive at all. Even more interesting is that a few > minerals, like tetrahedrite for example, are "semi-conductors" : only about > half of the charge they were exposed to could be measured "at the other side > of the crystal". > This brings us to another field to explore: tetrahedrite makes a complete > series with tennantite... has tennantite the same conductivity as > tetrahedrite? If not, could they be distinguished from each other by this > simple test (by using a callibrated voltmeter, off course)? > > So in short: different minerals show different electrical conductivity. This > property is most probably specific for each mineral (to test on "pure > minerals", I only checked crystallized specimens). Besides, this is a > property everyone can test. Then why is not this property mentioned in any > mineral handbooks? Or is it? > > CALL FOR HELP: > As far as I know, the above described property of minerals has not as yet > been described (or at least, not listed in a book; not like has been done > for the fluorescent minerals for example). If so, this is something that > could be usefull for all mineral collectors, and thus it should be made > available to all. I am willing to collect the data and put it on my website, > but I need the help of some (advanced) systematic collectors, to be able to > cover as many minerals as possible. Those willing to help, please drop me a > note off list. Thanks. > > Sincerely, Herwig > > Herwig Pelckmans > Worldwide Mineral Collector > Cardijnstraat 12 > B-3530 Helchteren > Belgium Europe > http://www.xlizd.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 22:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (cweinber) Date: Wed Jul 10 21:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Message-ID: <3D34D24E@webmail.bcpl.net> Mike; There will be a terrifice gem, mineral, and rock show next weekend (Thursday July 18 - Sunday July 21) at the Convention Center in Port Townsend. Great place for you and your kids to come and learn. >===== Original Message From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ===== >Hi, > >Just writing to introduce myself to the list. I am currently living in Olympia Washington. Me and my son Thomas ( Age 7 ) and my daughter laurel (Age 4) have just started rock hounding this year. We were all hooked right away and joined a local >club. We have been going on any organized field trips we can find and have been having a great time. I am sure I will have lots of questions for the list in the future and as I become more experienced maybe even some answers. > >Mike Messenger >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rock From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 22:27:44 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jul 10 21:27:44 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals References: Message-ID: <3D2D0472.44DD@Tomaszewski.net> Rik, I have often tried electrical resistance measurements on metallic appearing mineral specimens (especially those that appeared to be gold). I have also found some to be conductive (mostly pyrites). After review with 'experts' most of the conductivity I have found has been due to two causes (the third is a rare gold specimen). The first (and by far the most common) has been caused by an excess of copper in chalcopyrite. The second (less common cause) has turned out to be a graphite impurity in pyrite. But I do have a few specimens that still have unexplained conductivity. You may have found a new way to help determine/describe mineral types. Kreigh Rik Dillen wrote: > > Hey all, > > We had a discussion on another list "E-min" here that lead us indirectly to > some questions concerning the electrical conductivity of minerals. > Some people thought that you can differentiate between e.g. pyrite and gold > by roughly verifying wether the grain is conductive or not, but my > experience learned me that it is not that simple. > > In a previous life (more than 20 years ago), when I was setting up > experiments with SIMS (secondary ion mass spectrometry) and microprobe, I > experienced that it is not necessary to make the surface of pyrite specimens > conductive to avoid charge build up. Pyrite seems to be a relatively good > conductor for electricity. In all types of textbooks we can find easily data > for each mineral on density, hardness etc. but for sulphides it would be > usefull to see data on the conductivity. Any thoughts on that ? Are there > any lists of mineral properties that include electric conductivity ? > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > you again next year ! > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 10 23:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Marcus Origlieri) Date: Wed Jul 10 22:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals In-Reply-To: <029101c22824$c7ce1260$9bed76d5@pandora.be> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020710222137.00b04b90@mail62.pair.com> Some tabulation of resistance data is available at: http://www.zonge.com/ferro/proper_4.htm There are mineral scientists who study the changes in electrical properties of minerals with pressure and temperature. Tetrahedrite, for example, had some interesting electrical properties at low T, the details of which I do not recall. Dr. Mary Johnson studied that system. cheers Marcus Marcus Origlieri Mineral Zone http://www.mineralzone.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 05:58:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Thu Jul 11 04:58:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? Message-ID: Hi everyone - I keep reading about this mineral "coltan" which is used in cellphones, occurs in Africa, and is an object of exploitation by the various plundering armies presently ravaging the Congo. To my shame I must say I've never heard of it. What the heck is it exactly? What does it do in cellphones? Cheers Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 06:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Nelson) Date: Thu Jul 11 05:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711081719.00a58c60@pop.erols.com> Hi, Hans and everyone. A search on Google gives the answer. (See the URL below) It is short for columbite/tantalite. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/coltan_explainer.html I learned something, too. Jack Nelson At 08:57 AM 7/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Hi everyone - > >I keep reading about this mineral "coltan" which is used in cellphones, >occurs in Africa, and is an object of exploitation by the various >plundering armies presently ravaging the Congo. > >To my shame I must say I've never heard of it. What the heck is it exactly? >What does it do in cellphones? > >Cheers >Hans Durstling >Moncton, Canada > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 10:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu Jul 11 09:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? References: Message-ID: <002001c228f8$9632b060$f606efd1@oemcomputer> I think you mean cobalt. A very useful metal. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "H.Durstling" To: Sent: July 11, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? > Hi everyone - > > I keep reading about this mineral "coltan" which is used in cellphones, > occurs in Africa, and is an object of exploitation by the various > plundering armies presently ravaging the Congo. > > To my shame I must say I've never heard of it. What the heck is it exactly? > What does it do in cellphones? > > Cheers > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 12:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ( armando afonso) Date: Thu Jul 11 11:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711081719.00a58c60@pop.erols.com> Message-ID: <000d01c22906$2743e9e0$04000005@1> Columbite and Tantalite, wich occurs together Armando Afonso - PORTUGAL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? > Hi, Hans and everyone. A search on Google gives the answer. (See the URL > below) It is short for columbite/tantalite. > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/coltan_explainer.html > I learned something, too. Jack Nelson > > At 08:57 AM 7/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: > >Hi everyone - > > > >I keep reading about this mineral "coltan" which is used in cellphones, > >occurs in Africa, and is an object of exploitation by the various > >plundering armies presently ravaging the Congo. > > > >To my shame I must say I've never heard of it. What the heck is it exactly? > >What does it do in cellphones? > > > >Cheers > >Hans Durstling > >Moncton, Canada > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 12:16:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ( armando afonso) Date: Thu Jul 11 11:16:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711081719.00a58c60@pop.erols.com> Message-ID: <001801c22906$7abf5fa0$04000005@1> COLTAN is used as a source of Tantalum, for the manufacture of high performance capacitors. Armando Afonso - PORTUGAL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? > Hi, Hans and everyone. A search on Google gives the answer. (See the URL > below) It is short for columbite/tantalite. > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/coltan_explainer.html > I learned something, too. Jack Nelson > > At 08:57 AM 7/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: > >Hi everyone - > > > >I keep reading about this mineral "coltan" which is used in cellphones, > >occurs in Africa, and is an object of exploitation by the various > >plundering armies presently ravaging the Congo. > > > >To my shame I must say I've never heard of it. What the heck is it exactly? > >What does it do in cellphones? > > > >Cheers > >Hans Durstling > >Moncton, Canada > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 14:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jul 11 13:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? Message-ID: <158.10a9a75f.2a5f466c@aol.com> ColTan = Columbite/Tantalite John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 14:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jul 11 13:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? Message-ID: <151A1B34.79BC2A45.02180873@aol.com> The issue is tantallum, which is a very useful and very scarce metal. In addition to the electronic uses, it has wonderful corrosion resistance to most substances. We once had a heat exchanger made of it at a plant I worked at. The amazing thng is how dense it is. It is significantly denser than Lead so a pound of it is not much volume. Gene Hartstein In a message dated Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:09:51 +0100, armando.afonso@mail.telepac.pt writes: > > > Columbite and Tantalite, wich occurs together > > Armando Afonso - PORTUGAL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Nelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] "Coltan" - What is it? > > > > Hi, Hans and everyone. A search on Google gives the answer. (See the URL > > below) It is short for columbite/tantalite. > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/coltan_explainer.html > > I learned something, too. Jack Nelson > > > > At 08:57 AM 7/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: > > >Hi everyone - > > > > > >I keep reading about this mineral "coltan" which is used in cellphones, > > >occurs in Africa, and is an object of exploitation by the various > > >plundering armies presently ravaging the Congo. > > > > > >To my shame I must say I've never heard of it. What the > heck is it > exactly? > > >What does it do in cellphones? > > > > > >Cheers > > >Hans Durstling > > >Moncton, Canada > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 20:57:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jul 11 19:57:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) References: Message-ID: <3D2E453D.10E8@Tomaszewski.net> Aaron Fox wrote: > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Quartz comes in many colors. > > > > I know the pink in 'Rose Quartz' comes from a Dumortierite impurity. > > Rose Quartz: Trace Ti4+. Assuming it bonds as an oxide, but not sure of > charge imballance. Not sure about the dumortierite; could Ti be complexing > in lieu of boron? I refer you to the work of Dr. George Rossman (and Julia Goreva) for the information on dumortierite (link will probably wrap)... http://minerals.gps.caltech.edu/mineralogy/Publications/Index_to_Publication_Data.html And I thank you for the wonderful information you provided. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 11 23:34:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Jul 11 22:34:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] The colors of Quartz (and how it forms) In-Reply-To: <3D2E453D.10E8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Quartz comes in many colors. > > > > > > I know the pink in 'Rose Quartz' comes from a Dumortierite impurity. > > > > Rose Quartz: Trace Ti4+. Assuming it bonds as an oxide, but not sure of > > charge imballance. Not sure about the dumortierite; could Ti be complexing > > in lieu of boron? > > I refer you to the work of Dr. George Rossman (and Julia Goreva) for the > information on dumortierite (link will probably wrap)... > > http://minerals.gps.caltech.edu/mineralogy/Publications/Index_to_Publication_Data.html Cool. So apparently, it's a mix of Ti and Fe in one ionic spot, and Al in the other, with B throughout. Man, I really miss crystal chemistry. That was fun. Powdering stuff to stick into the XRD. What a hoot. Not quite as much fun as microprobe work, tho. > And I thank you for the wonderful information you provided. NP. Glad to actually be able to contribute something to the discussion for once! d. -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "I had a signature once, but I forgot to feed it. It died..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 11:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Fri Jul 12 10:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olympia Washington Rock Show Message-ID: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC4046029F0C@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> I was asked my rock club to post this on the Internet to any appropriate places. If you happen to be in the area please come by and join us. Washington Agate and Mineral Society of Olympia and the Tenino Rock Cruisers presents 2002 Rock & Gem Rendez-vous during Tenino Oregon Trail Days Parkside Elementary School, Central Ave. E. Tenino, Washington Saturday, July 27 10 a.m. -6 p.m. Sunday, July 28 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. Featuring: Demonstrations Indoor Displays Dealer Booths Silent Auction Activities for Kids Snack Bar FREE ADMISSION Directions: To reach Tenino from I-5 (Northbound or Southbound) take exit 88 and go east approx. 8 miiles. Go into town and turn right on Stage st. south, go one block, the school is on the left. We are directly across from the city park where the Oregon Trail Days event is put on. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 11:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (digem) Date: Fri Jul 12 10:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? Message-ID: <3D2F1467.A5000740@plateautel.net> Hi everyone, I hoping someone can help. In almost every type of legal partnership or joint ownership it is known that both parties must agree upon any decisions that deal with what they own, right? I'll put it in the best way you can understand. When two people own equal shares of a business, house, car, etc. one isn't able to make decisions affecting the item owned without both partners agreeing right? So, why is it that when two people own a mining claim that one does not check with the other on things pertaining to that claim? Are there any laws written about this or is it just common courtesy? Also, when there are three partners on a claim with all owning egual shares, could the other two do something without consent of the third? Thanks for any info that you have. A From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 13:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TED KOWALSKI) Date: Fri Jul 12 12:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? Message-ID: <0033000072295327000002L072*@MHS> A: To put things in perspective. I took enough law to know when to run to a lawyer. My understanding of a business partnership is opposite of your understanding. By it's nature a partnership is headed by individuals who each represent the company individually whenever they are in a business venue. This ability is both a strength and danger. What this means is that whenever any member of the partnership conducts business, they do it for the entire partnership, whether or not they've engaged the other partners. Restrictions on this ability may be available under state law or are coded into a contract signed by all partners. The contract in itself will not prevent a partner from proceeding without the other partners, but does allow redress after the fact. If you are looking for definitive voting rights, you are looking for a different business entity, perhaps incorporating. Again: I am not a lawyer. So, this advice is worth the price paid for it, (probably less). Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA TKowalsk@email.usps.gov -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com at INTERNET Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:47 PM To: Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com at INTERNET Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? Hi everyone, I hoping someone can help. In almost every type of legal partnership or joint ownership it is known that both parties must agree upon any decisions that deal with what they own, right? I'll put it in the best way you can understand. When two people own equal shares of a business, house, car, etc. one isn't able to make decisions affecting the item owned without both partners agreeing right? So, why is it that when two people own a mining claim that one does not check with the other on things pertaining to that claim? Are there any laws written about this or is it just common courtesy? Also, when there are three partners on a claim with all owning egual shares, could the other two do something without consent of the third? Thanks for any info that you have. A _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 16:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jul 12 15:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? In-Reply-To: <3D2F1467.A5000740@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <001001c229f1$d2aebf80$34e31d3f@bryan> It seems to me that there is something called an operating partner who has actually control of the day by day operation in some partnerships. The partnership agreement should spell out how the company is operated. I'm not a lawyer though. If you don't have one you better get one, a partnership agreement that is and probably a lawyer to write it. Bryan > > Hi everyone, > I hoping someone can help. In almost every type of legal > partnership or joint ownership it is known that both parties > must agree upon any decisions that deal with what they own, > right? I'll put it in the best way you can understand. When > two people own equal shares of a business, house, car, etc. > one isn't able to make decisions affecting the item owned > without both partners agreeing right? So, why is it that when > two people own a mining claim that one does not check with > the other on things pertaining to that claim? Are there any > laws written about this or is it just common courtesy? Also, > when there are three partners on a claim with all owning > egual shares, could the other two do something without > consent of the third? Thanks for any info that you have. A > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhou> nds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 17:24:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jane Davis) Date: Fri Jul 12 16:24:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? References: <3D2F1467.A5000740@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <000601c229fc$88571120$e88a4d0c@jade> Hi, Like others before me here, I am not a lawyer, but have studied law and worked as an IRS Revenue Officer (dealing with businesses) The following information may be of some help, but the various states have some twists of their own and the partnership contract may be of some help if it was drawn up especially for a particular venture (rather than a generic partnership agreement). http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/fcs/business/gps.html#Liability Liability Issues: General Partnership A general partner has unlimited legal liability. His or her personal assets are at risk. · General partners are personally liable for all business debts and liabilities, such as o Business loans, o Performance of contracts, o Personal injury, and o Property damage. · General partners have joint and several liability. This means that the partners are jointly and individually responsible for the entire liability. Someone with a claim against the partnership may sue one partner or all of them. If you pay more than your share of a liability, you may recover the excess from your partners. · Partners are liable for the business acts of other partners. You should choose your partners carefully. · If the partnership goes bankrupt, your personal assets will be involved in the bankruptcy. · When you die, your estate will be responsible for paying off your share of partnership debts and liabilities. · Good insurance planning can help protect your personal assets. You might do some research by way of Google as well as get free referencing to partnership attorneys for your area, Hope this helps a little, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "digem" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? > Hi everyone, > I hoping someone can help. In almost every type of legal partnership > or joint ownership it is known that both parties must agree upon any > decisions that deal with what they own, right? I'll put it in the best > way you can understand. When two people own equal shares of a business, > house, car, etc. one isn't able to make decisions affecting the item > owned without both partners agreeing right? So, why is it that when two > people own a mining claim that one does not check with the other on > things pertaining to that claim? Are there any laws written about this > or is it just common courtesy? Also, when there are three partners on a > claim with all owning egual shares, could the other two do something > without consent of the third? Thanks for any info that you have. > A > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 18:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jul 12 17:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Problem with Rough Diamond Message-ID: <3D2F7AC5.604B@Tomaszewski.net> I received this one on my website and I don't know what the answer is, but it is an interesting question. Does anyone on the list have some help I can pass back to Gloria? Thanks! My problem is, I may have diamonds, but can't get them clean enough to market. I picked up stones in Africa and U.S. that I took to several "experts " and cutters who told me that I had to clean them before they would definitely say they were the real mcCoys. The only help they would give me was to use Hydrochloric Acid and Sulfuric Acid. I did, and now have stones that are burnt black with a hard dirt crust that I can't seem to remove. I bought a tumbler and grit, but that method doesn't work. What do you recommend that I do for fast removal of the skin. I have a lot, so individual cleaning is slow, even though it still doesn't work even on the large stones. Please help!!! Gloria C. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 19:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo) Date: Fri Jul 12 18:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Any field trips in the Portland, OR area Saturday? Message-ID: Here for the weekend (but available Saturday only). Anyone going out? Or a URL for me to check? Thanks. Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 12 20:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Fri Jul 12 19:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Problem with Rough Diamond References: <3D2F7AC5.604B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002b01c22a18$2937ce20$a636c143@7a2wp> At this point, I would be a little concerned that they ARE diamonds. According to Sinkankas "Gemstone & Mineral Data Book:" "Diamond: Unaffected by any acid, base, or other ordinary chemical agent." He goes on to say "Crystals are usually cleaned by boiling in hot concentrated acid, including HF, to remove coatings." Definitely not for the home chemist!!!! -dan- __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 21:07 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Problem with Rough Diamond > I received this one on my website and I don't know what the answer is, > but it is an interesting question. Does anyone on the list have some > help I can pass back to Gloria? Thanks! > > > My problem is, I may have diamonds, but can't get them > clean enough to market. I picked up stones in Africa > and U.S. that I took to several "experts " and cutters > who told me that I had to clean them before they would > definitely say they were the real mcCoys. The only help > they would give me was to use Hydrochloric Acid and > Sulfuric Acid. I did, and now have stones that are > burnt black with a hard dirt crust that I can't seem to > remove. I bought a tumbler and grit, but that method > doesn't work. What do you recommend that I do for fast > removal of the skin. I have a lot, so individual > cleaning is slow, even though it still doesn't work even > on the large stones. Please help!!! > > Gloria C. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 13 09:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Jul 13 08:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Mining claims...Courtesy or legal way? References: <3D2F1467.A5000740@plateautel.net> <000601c229fc$88571120$e88a4d0c@jade> Message-ID: <3D3042CD.762A1B76@att.net> Hi, I came home from a trip to find several hundred e-mails, so this may have been amswered properly without my seeing it already. However, given the situation, I advise you to contact the BLM. Legally, if your situation is simply that more than one person has signed a claim, each person may have an equal and unilateral right to access that claim in any manner they see fit. In addition, it may be that you do or do not have a partnership agreement with those other co-claimaints, a separate partnership created to form a business to work the claim. The BLM has specific rules, rights, and responsibilities regarding prospectors, claimants, and miners, and it could be that those rights are construed in such a way as to treat one claim as an entity regardless of the number of actual signatories to the claim. That is why there are mining companies; the business of running a claim/propsect/mine is a civil matter and as far as I know the BLM claim form is filed simply to hold the land in reserve so that others cannot claim its resources, vs. being a type of corporate contract delineating how those resources are used and divided between the claimants. Men have been shot over such issues. In other words, contact the BLM first, and if the amount of money involved is over several thousand dollars, you may want to contact an attorney who specializes in civil law and property rights in particular. Good luck. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 13 12:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Sat Jul 13 11:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c22a98$ac22e9c0$022707d8@joe> There is a rock and mineral show by Hood River at the bridge of the gods = this weekend.Does anyone know if it will be there this sunday and the = times? Thanks Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 7/10/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 13 13:00:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jul 13 12:00:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000801c22a98$ac22e9c0$022707d8@joe> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713115825.01e328c0@mail.spiritone.com> 9-5 Saturday & Sunday. It's at Marine Park in Cascade Locks. At 11:11 AM 7/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >There is a rock and mineral show by Hood River at the bridge of the gods >this weekend.Does anyone know if it will be there this sunday and the times? > >Thanks Clay Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 13 23:04:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jul 13 22:04:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP In-Reply-To: <001701c22843$a5959a00$d307c850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Message-ID: <000e01c22862$5e4b3b90$8be31d3f@bryan> A semiconductor is a material with a resistively intermediate between metals and insulators and also the resistance can be varied, reversibly, by chemical additions or temperature changes. It has nothing to do one way flow of electrons, that is called a rectifier. Bryan > > Herwig, > To my knowledge 'semiconductors' doesn't mean a conductor > with a certain resistance. It is a conductor that only allows > current to go in one direction, from A to B and not from B to > A. Just like an LED, it has a diode function. The whole > transistor tech. is based on this. I think what you mean is > that the specimen has some resistance. Is this what you found > out with your experiments? BTW the original discussion was > about recognizing Gold from other yellow 'things'. Could be > pyrite and ... Of course there are much easier ways to see > this. Density, XL-surfaces, malliability, ... Scientists > working with SEM know exactly what xls are conductive or not, > the latter need to be coated with a conductive layer. Now, > from the discussion ironically it has to be done either with > carbon or ...GOLD. Have fun Herwig, Paul Van hee > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "herwig pelckmans" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals + CALL for HELP > > > > Hi all, > > > > Let me explain in some more detail what happened: while discussing > > conductivity as a valid and determinative property of > native gold, Rik > > correctly stated that pyrite shows good conductivity as well. I was > > rather sceptic about his remark, and so I played around a bit with > > some minerals, a simple 1,5 Volts battery (a penlight type, > available > > all over the world) and "an electric multimeter" (sold in most > > hardware > stores, > > used for measuring voltages etc.). > > > > My plan was simple: measuring if minerals conducted (this > low amount > > of) electricity. To find out, I just took some crystallized mineral > > specimens, put one (the negative) end of the multimeter to the flat > > (negative) side > of > > the battery, hold the + side of the battery to one side of > a crystal, > > and then look if any electrical charge could be measured > when holding > > the > other > > (positive) end of the multimeter to the (other side of the) > crystal. > > Off course this was a first and very unhandy way of testing, but it > > worked. To my surprise, pyrite (among other minerals) > showed to be a > > great conductor. Other minerals turned out to be conductors as well. > > > > Since pyrite is a sulphide mineral (iron disulphide to be > correct), I > > checked mainly this category of minerals, even though I > assume certain > > oxides will be conductive too. What I discovered, is that some > > minerals > pass > > along about the full charge they are exposed to (= good > conductors), > > while others are not conductive at all. Even more > interesting is that > > a few minerals, like tetrahedrite for example, are > "semi-conductors" : > > only > about > > half of the charge they were exposed to could be measured "at the > > other > side > > of the crystal". > > This brings us to another field to explore: tetrahedrite makes a > > complete series with tennantite... has tennantite the same > > conductivity as tetrahedrite? If not, could they be > distinguished from > > each other by this simple test (by using a callibrated > voltmeter, off > > course)? > > > > So in short: different minerals show different electrical > > conductivity. > This > > property is most probably specific for each mineral (to > test on "pure > > minerals", I only checked crystallized specimens). Besides, > this is a > > property everyone can test. Then why is not this property > mentioned in > > any mineral handbooks? Or is it? > > > > CALL FOR HELP: > > As far as I know, the above described property of minerals > has not as > > yet been described (or at least, not listed in a book; not like has > > been done for the fluorescent minerals for example). If so, this is > > something that could be usefull for all mineral collectors, > and thus > > it should be made available to all. I am willing to collect > the data > > and put it on my > website, > > but I need the help of some (advanced) systematic collectors, to be > > able > to > > cover as many minerals as possible. Those willing to help, > please drop > > me > a > > note off list. Thanks. > > > > Sincerely, Herwig > > > > Herwig Pelckmans > > Worldwide Mineral Collector > > Cardijnstraat 12 > > B-3530 Helchteren > > Belgium Europe > > http://www.xlizd.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhou> nds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 14 06:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Jul 14 05:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals In-Reply-To: <3D2D0472.44DD@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: 11 July, 2002 6:31 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals But I do have a few specimens that still have unexplained conductivity. You may have found a new way to help determine/describe mineral types. >>>>> Hi Kreigh (et al.), That's too much honour. I only came with my own accidental observations concerning conductivity of sulphides. To experiment further towards possible identification of certain minerals (or rather discrimination between certain conducting minerals) was Herwig Pelckmans' idea. BTW, concerning this topic, at the end of the seventies I tried to make some sort of resin for sample embedding conductive enough to use it directly for SIMS and SEM experiments. My first thought was to use very fine metallic copper powder, but I could not add enough Cu to the resin to make it conductive. Moreover, when I measured the resistivity of the copper powder as such, it appeared to be a nearly perfect... isolator ! Apparently the individual powder grains (a few ?m) were oxidised at their surface, which made the powder as a whole to an isolator. Lateron I added graphite powder to the resin, and that was more succesfull. Nowadays you can just buy any conductive resin on the (specialised) market, of course. Greetings, Rik From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 14 15:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jul 14 14:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests Message-ID: <3D31EFBC.1C295B4C@att.net> Calling all chemists, Does anyone know where to get a supply of squaric acid? I checked a few sources and they don't carry it. I just learned about some very effective microchemical tests, new stuff that is not covered in Chamot & Mason Vol. II, and am anxious to try them. Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 14 18:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jul 14 17:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests References: <30.29b3a376.2a637357@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D321B19.CB0700CA@att.net> DAMN! They don't mention that in class. Or maybe they did and I forgot. In any case, I suppose even a gram would be ridiculously priced. In that case it's almost worth paying for SEM and XRD if I'm looking for, say, trace europium. Of course, in microchemical tests it seems that one needs only a few grains, which breaks down to several dollars per test, but still I'm not quite ready to buy the material in any quantity when there are other tests available. Don fossilnut@aol.com wrote: > > Check out this page for the price of a kilo of it.....Gak! $1500.00 ain't > cheap. > > http://www.frinton.com/kilos.htm > > I see if I can get to an Aldrich catalog when I get to work... > > Gene From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 14 19:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jul 14 18:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests In-Reply-To: <3D321B19.CB0700CA@att.net> Message-ID: <001c01c22b9e$0c4b6510$3b07f343@bryan> Aldrich probably sells it a few grams at a time, that isn't that high a price for organic chemicals. Aldrich btw has an online catalog at: www.sigmaaldrich.com And they have squaric acid listed. Bryan > > > > Check out this page for the price of a kilo of it.....Gak! $1500.00 > > ain't cheap. > > > > http://www.frinton.com/kilos.htm > > > > I see if I can get to an Aldrich catalog when I get to work... > > > > Gene > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhou> nds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 01:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ( armando afonso) Date: Mon Jul 15 00:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals - plus termal inaercia and conductivity References: Message-ID: <001701c22bd3$da645ee0$04000005@1> Hi All this does not sound new to me. I have in my library an old russian manual of mineralogy with that considerations, plus some grafics and curves with the termal comportment of minerals, used for mineral identification. An instrument for diamond identification uses the termic comportment too. Armando Afonso - Portugal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Cc: "Pelckmans, Herwig (MKA)" Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: 11 July, 2002 6:31 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Conductivity of minerals > > But I do have a few specimens that still have unexplained conductivity. > You may have found a new way to help determine/describe mineral types. > > >>>>> Hi Kreigh (et al.), > > That's too much honour. I only came with my own accidental observations > concerning conductivity of sulphides. To experiment further towards possible > identification of certain minerals (or rather discrimination between certain > conducting minerals) was Herwig Pelckmans' idea. > > BTW, concerning this topic, at the end of the seventies I tried to make some > sort of resin for sample embedding conductive enough to use it directly for > SIMS and SEM experiments. My first thought was to use very fine metallic > copper powder, but I could not add enough Cu to the resin to make it > conductive. Moreover, when I measured the resistivity of the copper powder > as such, it appeared to be a nearly perfect... isolator ! Apparently the > individual powder grains (a few ?m) were oxidised at their surface, which > made the powder as a whole to an isolator. Lateron I added graphite powder > to the resin, and that was more succesfull. Nowadays you can just buy any > conductive resin on the (specialised) market, of course. > > Greetings, > > Rik > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 07:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jul 15 06:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests Message-ID: <12C52C94.02385CEE.02180873@aol.com> Like everything else I had to log in and create an account in order to get a price. Anyway, you can get as little as a gram for about $10 from aldrich. 5 gram quantities run $35 or so depending on the purity and other factors. This stuff has a melting point over 300 deg c so I presume it would be used as a solution. So perhaps a gram is enough. Gene In a message dated Sun, 14 Jul 2002 8:22:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryankramer@email.msn.com writes: > > > Aldrich probably sells it a few grams at a time, that isn't that high a > price for organic chemicals. Aldrich btw has an online catalog at: > > www.sigmaaldrich.com > > And they have squaric acid listed. > > Bryan > > > > > > > Check out this page for the price of a kilo of it.....Gak! $1500.00 > > > ain't cheap. > > > > > > http://www.frinton.com/kilos.htm > > > > > > I see if I can get to an Aldrich catalog when I get to work... > > > > > > Gene > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > TITLE="http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhou>" TARGET="_blank">http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/ro > ckhou> nds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 08:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Jul 15 07:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests References: <3D31EFBC.1C295B4C@att.net> Message-ID: <002701c22c06$b3841940$8d1fbed8@powertech.net> . > > Calling all chemists, > > Does anyone know where to get a supply of squaric acid? I checked a few > sources and they don't carry it. I just learned about some very > effective microchemical tests, new stuff that is not covered in Chamot & > Mason Vol. II, and am anxious to try them. > > Thanks, > > Don ???Never heard of "squaric acid". Can't find it in any of the tables in my Chemistry handbooks. Or spot test manuals. Are you sure it is spelled right? Or, is it some special reagent that is mixed using other reagents? Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 10:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jul 15 09:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests Message-ID: <38119CE8.65961BE9.02180873@aol.com> In a message dated Mon, 15 Jul 2002 8:51:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, kadok@infowest.com writes: > > > > . > > > > > Calling all chemists, > > > > Does anyone know where to get a supply of squaric acid? I checked a few > > sources and they don't carry it. I just learned about some very > > effective microchemical tests, new stuff that is not covered in Chamot & > > Mason Vol. II, and am anxious to try them. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don > > > ???Never heard of "squaric acid". Can't find it in any of the tables in my > Chemistry handbooks. Or spot test manuals. > Are you sure it is spelled right? > Or, is it some special reagent that is mixed using other > reagents? > > Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds I'd never heard of it either, but looked it up on a google search. It is a cyclic butene with 2 ketones opposite to 2 hydroxyl groups that lie on each side of the double bond in the ring. The name squaric acid fits it just fine. Did not find it in my old Organic Chemistry book. Gene Hartstein > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 11:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Jul 15 10:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus warning - no hoax Message-ID: Today we experienced in our company a serious outbreak of a new variant of an existing worm-virus, W32.Frethem.K@mm (we got it from France, Spain, Belgium and the USA). The definitions and remedies were available at the Symantec site since 15.00 h this afternoon (GMT+1), so that an immediate download of the new definitions is compulsatory. An infected message can be recognised by Subject: Re: Your password! and the attachment is named Decrypt-password.exe or Password.txt, but I got also one named c.123 (default filename generated by Lotus Notes). At this moment (monday 19.30 h GMT+1) the remedy is not yet available via Symantec's Lifeupdate ; you should download manually via www.symantec.com/downloads -> virusdefinitions updates -> download virus definitions (intelligent updates only) -> choose 0715x86.exe, download AND INSTALL by double clicking the 0715x86.exe file. I send this message to avoid further problems, now that we can alert in time (hopefully). Never open any attachments to empty messages anyway. When there is no explanation/comment in the message about the attachment, it is by definition suspicious. Sorry for this non-mineralogical intervention. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 14:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jul 15 13:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] need squaric acid supply for microchemical tests In-Reply-To: <38119CE8.65961BE9.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c22c3f$b239a800$1a2af343@bryan> I think it has caused a lot of interest since it is a four carbon ring that is quasi-aromatic. If I recall my Organic there are some four carbon heterocyclic rings but these were not aromatic. For you non-chemists aromatic does not connote any sort of odor but refers to how electrons are shared in a ring compound, the classic example being benzene. I think squaric acid has just been synthesized in the last decade or son and would not appear in older books like my Morrison and Boyd. Bryan > > > > > > > > Calling all chemists, > > > > > > Does anyone know where to get a supply of squaric acid? > I checked a > > > few sources and they don't carry it. I just learned > about some very > > > effective microchemical tests, new stuff that is not covered in > > > Chamot & Mason Vol. II, and am anxious to try them. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Don > > > > > > ???Never heard of "squaric acid". Can't find it in any of > the tables > > in my Chemistry handbooks. Or spot test manuals. Are you sure it is > > spelled right? Or, is it some special reagent that is mixed using > > other reagents? > > > > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > I'd never heard of it either, but looked it up on a google > search. It is a cyclic butene with 2 ketones opposite to 2 > hydroxyl groups that lie on each side of the double bond in > the ring. The name squaric acid fits it just fine. Did not > find it in my old Organic Chemistry book. > > Gene Hartstein > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhou> nds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 20:20:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Jul 15 19:20:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] squaric acid 101: a primer Message-ID: <3D33829F.B2CB16E7@att.net> Due to the volume of interest I received both on- and off-lists, I will answer the questions here in one place. By the way, my question wasn't based on the inability to find it, I was just looking for recommendations for reliable suppliers. I didn't realize that so many folks hadn't heard of it and weren't using it. The appendix is included in the package given to students at the McCrone Institute. The author is listed as William F. Wills, Jr., General Electric Company, Vallecitos Nuclear Center, P.O. Box 460, Pleasanton, CA 94566. The abstract states that "The use of squaric acid (1,2-dihydroxycyclo-butenedione) as a reagent has been extended to 68 cations in the periodic table. Forty-three ions yield unique crystalline products with squaric acid. All lanthanides except one were tested; all form crystalline products. Squaric acid is used to identify cation mixtures and for screening tests before confirming with other specific reagents." Later, it states that "Structurally, [squaric acid] somewhat resembles oxalic acid. It is a stronger acid than oxalic . . . " The appendix gives several pages of expected results and several more pages of photos. The first bibliographic references are: 1. Stevens, R.E., "Squaric Acid: A Novel Reagent in Chemical Microscopy." Microscope #22, 163-168 (1974). 2. Whitman, V.L.; Wills, W.F., Jr., "Extended use of Squaric Acid as a Reagent in Chemical Microscopy. Microscope #25, 1-12 (1977). I hope this is informative. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 15 23:22:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Jul 15 22:22:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] shows Message-ID: <000a01c22c88$a861eec0$3e2707d8@joe> Hello; Does anyone know of any rock and gem shows happening in eastern = washington in the next couple of months? Thanks .........Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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I can see how it would have intersting properties. If it behaves like an acid in solution and gives up a proton or two, the remaining ion would be an aromatic-like structure. Cool. Any idea how it is synthesized? More importantly, what was the use Don had for it? What was the test it was useful for? Gene Hartstein In a message dated 7/15/2002 4:49:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbryankramer@email.msn.com writes: > I think it has caused a lot of interest since it is a four carbon ring > that is quasi-aromatic. If I recall my Organic there are some four > carbon heterocyclic rings but these were not aromatic. For you > non-chemists aromatic does not connote any sort of odor but refers to > how electrons are shared in a ring compound, the classic example being > benzene. I think squaric acid has just been synthesized in the last > decade or son and would not appear in older books like my Morrison and > Boyd. > > Bryan > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 16 16:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Tue Jul 16 15:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] upper New York Message-ID: <004d01c22d18$8ecd9d20$27b2950c@mel> We'll be spending a while in Syracuse, NY. Is there anything around the neighborhood for a cutter/facetor to hunt? Thanks, Mel Albright From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 16 19:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Jul 16 18:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols Message-ID: <3D34CACD.6311C9AF@att.net> Hi folks, A few weeks ago I found the following web page with some wonderful articles under the heading "The Nomenclature of Minerals: a Compilation of IMA Reports": http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/ima98/ima98.htm Now that I've returned to print out the articles I need, the page is gone. Other official IMA links are gone too. Has this already-mysterious organization gone completely underground, or what? Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 16 19:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue Jul 16 18:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols References: <3D34CACD.6311C9AF@att.net> Message-ID: <000801c22d34$9c0e3000$0301a8c0@ferrari> I went to the homepage and it worked perfectly. Maybe the links were generated dynamically. This links works great though: http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 09:39 Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols > > Hi folks, > > A few weeks ago I found the following web page with some wonderful > articles under the heading "The Nomenclature of Minerals: a Compilation > of IMA Reports": > > http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/ima98/ima98.htm > > Now that I've returned to print out the articles I need, the page is > gone. Other official IMA links are gone too. Has this > already-mysterious organization gone completely underground, or what? > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 16 20:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jul 16 19:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mammoth Tusk Found Message-ID: <96.2969d5c8.2a6629a3@aol.com> Neat blurb about an 18 foot tusk found at a construction site in Colorado. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=624&e=1&cid=624& u=/ap/20020716/ap_on_sc/mammoth_find_1 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 16 20:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Jul 16 19:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols References: <3D34CACD.6311C9AF@att.net> <007e01c22d34$2d075600$afc1fea9@NewUser> Message-ID: <3D34D233.9899F5C1@att.net> Thanks to Eva and Paul for the help, but unfortunately, when I go to that page, then click on Site Map, then click on the link called "IMA Reports Nomenclature of Minerals," it tries to go to this link again. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? > http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/ima98/ima98.htm The two links below that one don't work either. However, I do have that page printed out, with a date at the bottom 07/03/2002, and I hope you take my word for it and not make me scan it to prove it. I got there before. So it has only been removed in the last few weeks. The story only gets stranger with time. Maybe they should rename their organization to MIB--"Mineralogists in Black." "Put this on . . . it's the last suit you'll ever wear." -- K, Men in Black Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 17 02:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Terri Collier) Date: Wed Jul 17 01:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols References: <3D34CACD.6311C9AF@att.net> Message-ID: <000c01c22d6b$f7f6ea60$7dd0fea9@concentric.net> I was able to access the main website, however, it appears the link to the specific paper is broken. This could be due to a host/server problem on the site. You might email them and let them know, the main site is: http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca Also, you can see reference to the link still there if you perform a search from the main site. Terri Collier Dallas, TX scollier@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols > > Hi folks, > > A few weeks ago I found the following web page with some wonderful > articles under the heading "The Nomenclature of Minerals: a Compilation > of IMA Reports": > > http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/ima98/ima98.htm > > Now that I've returned to print out the articles I need, the page is > gone. Other official IMA links are gone too. Has this > already-mysterious organization gone completely underground, or what? > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 17 08:31:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed Jul 17 07:31:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] upper New York References: <004d01c22d18$8ecd9d20$27b2950c@mel> Message-ID: <005301c22d9e$754c1bc0$f24e353f@7a2wp> Lots of limestone! -dan- __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Albright" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 16:35 Subject: [Rockhounds] upper New York > We'll be spending a while in Syracuse, NY. Is there anything around the > neighborhood for a cutter/facetor to hunt? > > Thanks, > Mel Albright > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 17 21:00:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Etzwiler - KD7BAT) Date: Wed Jul 17 20:00:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols References: <3D34CACD.6311C9AF@att.net> Message-ID: <000a01c22e07$47dfe720$de0ed63f@h6331512> Don, Try http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/doc/abstracts/ima98/ima98.htm. There are links on more than one place on the web site and not all have been updated to the new location. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] disappearing web page: IMA papers on nomenclature & protocols > > Hi folks, > > A few weeks ago I found the following web page with some wonderful > articles under the heading "The Nomenclature of Minerals: a Compilation > of IMA Reports": > > http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/ima98/ima98.htm > > Now that I've returned to print out the articles I need, the page is > gone. Other official IMA links are gone too. Has this > already-mysterious organization gone completely underground, or what? > > Don ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 06:05:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Fri Jul 19 05:05:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Italy Message-ID: <3D38001E.9020409@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, I will be in northern Italy during the first week in September and will have one day free. Does anyone know of publicly accessible locations for mineral collecting within a few hours train ride of Milan (or anywhere north of it to the Swiss border). Micros collecting would be fine. I did some research and found the type locality for chiavennite is in the area, but I don't know anything about the locality itself. Thanks in advance. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 07:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Fri Jul 19 06:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay In-Reply-To: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC4046029F0C@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Message-ID: Hi all.. There's a guy up on eBay selling "emeralds in champagne crates" at: CHAMPAGNE CRATES FULL OF UNSEARCHED EMERALDS! Item # 2122177933 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2122177933 Has anyone seen his stuff? I know the adage "If it seems to good to be true..." Regards, Gary Catspaw Minerals Home of "MasMils/PLUS" http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 08:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 19 07:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: <160.10e44b8c.2a697656@aol.com> Note that they are bags. These have been around a long time but they used to be 7-10$. They have small mostly nongem green emerals. good for cabs. rarely anything that would cut a 1mm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 08:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Fri Jul 19 07:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay In-Reply-To: <160.10e44b8c.2a697656@aol.com> Message-ID: Anything showing faces? I'm not that concerned about cutting...more for nice little miniatures. gcb Catspaw Minerals Home of "MasMils/PLUS" http://www.catspaw-minerals.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gemelbaite@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:04 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Note that they are bags. These have been around a long time but they used to be 7-10$. They have small mostly nongem green emerals. good for cabs. rarely anything that would cut a 1mm _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 10:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Tambuyser) Date: Fri Jul 19 09:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral screensaver Message-ID: <004801c22f40$20ce5240$59f27f50@xs4all.nl> At the Mineral Collectors Page < http://www.minerant.org/ > you can now download our free mineral screensaver. The screensaver contains 45 images of fluorescent minerals. The photographs were taken under long and short wave UV by Axel Emmermann, who is also famous for his stereo pairs of fluorescent minerals (also available from the same page). The Mineral Collectors Page is an initiative of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp. < http://www.minerant.org/ > the place to be for mineral enthusiasts! Paul Tambuyser (webmaster Mineral Collectors Page) paul@minerant.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 10:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Fri Jul 19 09:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Italy References: <3D38001E.9020409@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <3D383EC0.84029502@gmx.de> Ronnie Van Dommelen schrieb: > Hi All, > > I will be in northern Italy during the first week in September and will > have one day > free. Does anyone know of publicly accessible locations for mineral > collecting > within a few hours train ride of Milan (or anywhere north of it to the > Swiss border). > Micros collecting would be fine. I did some research and found the type > locality for > chiavennite is in the area, but I don't know anything about the locality > itself. Hi, as far as I heard from Italian collectors forget the type locality for chiavennite - no one found the mineral there recently. I am still looking for my first sample of it, up to now I have not seen anything. Juergen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 10:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 19 09:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: I purchased a couple of these "Unsearched Emeralds" bags off of eBay. The=20 only worthwhile stone was an end-cut off a water worn or tumbled emerald -=20 hardly "unsearched". When I notified the seller, I received no response. o o o =20 o o =B7.=B8=B8.=B8><(((((=BA> Rich =B7.=B8=B8.=B8><(((((=BA> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 11:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Fri Jul 19 10:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Italy 2 Message-ID: <3D38481F.10605@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, First, thanks Juergen for your reply. After I wrote my initial email, I continued to do a search on the net, especially of Italian pages (who would have guessed) and found a site describing the Sondrio province. That is in my target area and should provide me with a choice or two. The site mentions a group of collectors called the Instituto Valtellinese di Mineralogia which seems to be a local group of collectors.. Does anyone on this list know a member of this group (or perhaps you are a member yourself) that might be able to supply me with further details. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 12:16:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Fri Jul 19 11:16:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay References: Message-ID: <000c01c22f51$2cb34dc0$db05efd1@oemcomputer> You get what you pay for, folks. You can hardly buy a single half-decent emerald specimen for fifteen bucks, let alone a half pound. eBay is not exactly rife with scrupulous professional mineral dealers, to say the least; I have a hard time understanding why anybody would buy or sell minerals there. Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: July 19, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay > I purchased a couple of these "Unsearched Emeralds" bags off of eBay. The > only worthwhile stone was an end-cut off a water worn or tumbled emerald - > hardly "unsearched". When I notified the seller, I received no response. > > > o > o o > o o > ·.¸¸.¸><(((((º> Rich ·.¸¸.¸><(((((º> > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 12:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 19 11:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: Why anyone would purchase off of eBay... I've made numerous successful=20 purchases from eBay sellers, both from private parties and dealers. I=20 collect quartz scepters, and eBay provides one-of-a-kind World-Wide=20 collecting opportunities that just don't exist through any other means. o o o =20 o o =B7.=B8=B8.=B8><(((((=BA> Rich =B7.=B8=B8.=B8><(((((=BA> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 12:59:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kevin k conroy) Date: Fri Jul 19 11:59:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Buying on Ebay Message-ID: <001201c22f56$c01093c0$37364b0c@kcmins> Hi! I agree with the "get what you pay for" statement, but ebay DOES have a fair number of very reputable mineral sellers. I would offer the following tips for buying on ebay, or off of any mineral dealer's website for that matter: 1) Do not buy anything that doesn't have a picture of the exact specimen(s) that you are purchasing, period. There is enough variance between specimens of the same species, even if they are from the same pocket, that it mandates a photo. 2) If you have any doubts, ask about any damage that is on the specimen. There are VERY few 100% perfect specimens if you look close enough (micromounters especially know what I mean). To one person a specimen may look "perfect", while the same specimen may contain a number of flaws to a more experienced/picky collector. A prime example of this would be a visible cleavage plane going through a fluorite crystal. While the exterior of the crystal may not show breakage, to some collectors this would be enough "damage" where they would not want it for their display. 3) Ebay provides a feedback forum so that you can check on a seller's past performance. You can access a seller's feedback by clicking on the number following their ID. 4) Ask about a return policy. I think everyone is aware that a specimen just doesn't look the same in a photo versus in your hand. No return policy = no purchase in my book! 5) Do comparison shopping. Very few finds are "one of a kinds" so you should be able to find comparable specimens with a bit of searching. There are plenty of specimens selling for WAY less on ebay than on websites, and there are plenty of specimens on websites selling for WAY less than on ebay. It's up to you to find the right specimen for the right price to suit you. I'm sure there are more guidelines to consider, but you won't go wrong following these. All the best, Kevin website: www.kcminerals.com ebay ID: kcmins -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jokela To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay You get what you pay for, folks. You can hardly buy a single half-decent emerald specimen for fifteen bucks, let alone a half pound. eBay is not exactly rife with scrupulous professional mineral dealers, to say the least; I have a hard time understanding why anybody would buy or sell minerals there. Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 14:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 19 13:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: <8.29817578.2a69cc3a@aol.com> As a frequent seller on E-bay I find your statement quite one sided. (-: John Scully In a message dated 7/19/02 11:18:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tjokela@execulink.com writes: << Subj: Re: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Date: 7/19/02 11:18:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: tjokela@execulink.com (Tim Jokela) Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com You get what you pay for, folks. You can hardly buy a single half-decent emerald specimen for fifteen bucks, let alone a half pound. eBay is not exactly rife with scrupulous professional mineral dealers, to say the least; I have a hard time understanding why anybody would buy or sell minerals there. Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 14:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 19 13:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: <160.10e7eb69.2a69cfc4@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/02 11:18:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tjokela@execulink.com writes: > I have a hard time understanding why anybody would buy or sell minerals > there. > Because you CAN sell them there. Unfortunately, a lot of stuff is not what it is supposed to be, like white turquoise. However, I've got some real bargains on E Bay. It's harder now. More people are just window shopping but they will swoop down and grab something if there are no bids and the auction is ending. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 18:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Fri Jul 19 17:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Buying on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001201c22f56$c01093c0$37364b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <20020720003002.19114.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, Very well put Kevin. I wanted to make a few comments on your list > 1) Do not buy anything that doesn't have a picture > of the exact > specimen(s) that you are purchasing, period. There > is enough variance > between specimens of the same species, even if they > are from the same > pocket, that it mandates a photo. I think some rare uglies or reference specimens need not require this > 3) Ebay provides a feedback forum so that you can > check on a seller's past > performance. You can access a seller's feedback by > clicking on the number > following their ID. You should keep in mind however that Ebay feedback is in general very positive. There are many factors I won't bore you all with here. > > 4) Ask about a return policy. I think everyone > is aware that a specimen > just doesn't look the same in a photo versus in your > hand. No return > policy = no purchase in my book! Hear hear. This is Numero Uno for any seller Ebay or Website!!! > > 5) Do comparison shopping. Very few finds are > "one of a kinds" so you > should be able to find comparable specimens with a > bit of searching. There > are plenty of specimens selling for WAY less on Ebay > than on websites, and > there are plenty of specimens on websites selling > for WAY less than on ebay. > It's up to you to find the right specimen for the > right price to suit you. You are absolutely correct. You need to shop around if you want to find the best deal. Now I'd like to address the comment you get what you pay for as well as you can't get a nice emerald for $15 on Ebay. There are plenty of bargains on Ebay. The most common are when there is a collection being sold off by the collector or an heir. You have to look through a lot of listings but some real treasures can be found at prices that are a steal. Within the last month the following sold for $1 from a very famous New York mineral dealer. TYROLITE, Centennial Eureka Mine, Tintic District, Utah. Richly, minutely crystalline on rock with some minutely crystalline azurite. There is a similar deposition on the back of this specimen. A rare old-timer. Measures 3-3/4x2-1/2x1-1/2 inches. I also know of a dealer who found a fantastic Hilltop Mine Wulfenite that slipped through for a winning bid of less than $50 and was later sold for 4 figures. The buying picture is not all rosy. You also must be careful of the seller's who knowingly or unknowingly sell miss-identified items which is not uncommon. Also you want to be careful not to get into a bidding war and pay way more than something is worth. Some of the internet dealers may not like to hear this but if I was buying for my collection today I would be buying on Ebay a lot. If you are diligent and wise you will find plenty of bargains. Cheers, Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay Seller ID rgangue ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 18:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Fri Jul 19 17:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Buying on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001201c22f56$c01093c0$37364b0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <20020720003252.48346.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, Very well put Kevin. I wanted to make a few comments on your list > 1) Do not buy anything that doesn't have a picture > of the exact > specimen(s) that you are purchasing, period. There > is enough variance > between specimens of the same species, even if they > are from the same > pocket, that it mandates a photo. I think some rare uglies or reference specimens need not require this > 3) Ebay provides a feedback forum so that you can > check on a seller's past > performance. You can access a seller's feedback by > clicking on the number > following their ID. You should keep in mind however that Ebay feedback is in general very positive. There are many factors I won't bore you all with here. > > 4) Ask about a return policy. I think everyone > is aware that a specimen > just doesn't look the same in a photo versus in your > hand. No return > policy = no purchase in my book! Hear hear. This is Numero Uno for any seller Ebay or Website!!! > > 5) Do comparison shopping. Very few finds are > "one of a kinds" so you > should be able to find comparable specimens with a > bit of searching. There > are plenty of specimens selling for WAY less on Ebay > than on websites, and > there are plenty of specimens on websites selling > for WAY less than on ebay. > It's up to you to find the right specimen for the > right price to suit you. You are absolutely correct. You need to shop around if you want to find the best deal. Now I'd like to address the comment you get what you pay for as well as you can't get a nice emerald for $15 on Ebay. There are plenty of bargains on Ebay. The most common are when there is a collection being sold off by the collector or an heir. You have to look through a lot of listings but some real treasures can be found at prices that are a steal. Within the last month the following sold for $1 from a very famous New York mineral dealer. TYROLITE, Centennial Eureka Mine, Tintic District, Utah. Richly, minutely crystalline on rock with some minutely crystalline azurite. There is a similar deposition on the back of this specimen. A rare old-timer. Measures 3-3/4x2-1/2x1-1/2 inches. I also know of a dealer who found a fantastic Hilltop Mine Wulfenite that slipped through for a winning bid of less than $50 and was later sold for 4 figures. The buying picture is not all rosy. You also must be careful of the seller's who knowingly or unknowingly sell miss-identified items which is not uncommon. Also you want to be careful not to get into a bidding war and pay way more than something is worth. Some of the internet dealers may not like to hear this but if I was buying for my collection today I would be buying on Ebay a lot. If you are diligent and wise you will find plenty of bargains. Cheers, Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay Seller ID rgangue ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 19 20:02:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Jul 19 19:02:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RMFMS Newsletter Message-ID: <001c01c22f8f$e60c74c0$63b2950c@mel> The August RMFMS Newsletter is available at http://www.rmfms.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 00:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jane Davis) Date: Fri Jul 19 23:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay References: Message-ID: <008101c22fb7$359568e0$1c8d4d0c@jade> Hi, I agree with many of the comments and guidelines you have received in response to your query. I have bought a couple of these "bags" of emeralds and most all are pretty heavily encrusted with graphite (need cleaning). I would not expect any gemmy material at that price and I use them to make smaller bags to sell at rock swaps/shows... they are more a novelty than anything and since I do not believe any dealer is selling anything "unsearched", I think you can expect something on the order of black/green gravel. If they are lemons, make lemonade... that's what I do by reselling them in clear little bags. It's just another part of the fun and at the price it's not the worst purchase you could make, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catspaw (new)" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay > Hi all.. > > There's a guy up on eBay selling "emeralds in champagne crates" at: > > CHAMPAGNE CRATES FULL OF UNSEARCHED EMERALDS! > Item # 2122177933 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2122177933 > > Has anyone seen his stuff? I know the adage "If it seems to good to be > true..." > > Regards, > Gary > > Catspaw Minerals > Home of "MasMils/PLUS" > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 06:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jan & Candi) Date: Sat Jul 20 05:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000c01c22f51$2cb34dc0$db05efd1@oemcomputer> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020720090054.0209aec0@pop3.evenlink.com> Because it's fun, Tim, something you probably know very little about. JandiAt 02:21 PM 7/19/2002 -0400, you wrote: >You get what you pay for, folks. > >You can hardly buy a single half-decent emerald specimen for fifteen bucks, >let alone a half pound. > >eBay is not exactly rife with scrupulous professional mineral dealers, to >say the least; I have a hard time understanding why anybody would buy or >sell minerals there. > >Tim Jokela Jr >tjokela@execulink.com >http://www.element51.com >http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: July 19, 2002 12:47 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay > > > > I purchased a couple of these "Unsearched Emeralds" bags off of eBay. The > > only worthwhile stone was an end-cut off a water worn or tumbled emerald - > > hardly "unsearched". When I notified the seller, I received no response. > > > > > > o > > o o > > o o > > ·.¸¸.¸><(((((º> Rich ·.¸¸.¸><(((((º> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 08:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jul 20 07:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: <9.2b3d1e2d.2a6ad318@aol.com> In the bag I got there were actual small crystals with some faces and some gemmy area. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 09:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Sat Jul 20 08:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "New gem" astorite Message-ID: <000501c23004$f133c720$254f353f@7a2wp> This month's Rock & Gem magazine contains an article by June Culp Zeitner titled "Astorite: A New Gem Material." Turns out "astorite" is rhodonite. So once again we have someone making up a name for a material that has a perfectly acceptable official name already. Also, Ms Zeitner says "Because the chalcedony areas [of this particular deposit] often extend into the rhodonite, the hardness of most slabs is near Mohs 5 or 6 instead of the usual 3.5 for rhodonite." Funny, my books show rhodonite as 5.5-6 in hardness. -dan- __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 16:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Masters) Date: Sat Jul 20 15:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CFMS Show Report Placerville Ca. Message-ID: <3D33B6C0.D5384768@cox.net> An eventful 1100 mile round trip from 62-72 degree Oceanside up 5, the inland route north to Placerville, 100-112 degrees in a 4 cylinder Van that overheated! Left that "vehicle" in the pay parking lot at the Bakersfield Airport and rented from Avis. We reached Placerville somewhat later than planned but had to set up two cases that Thursday night as this was a three day show. Due to the extreme heat wave electricity was at a premium and fans replaced air conditioning. Consensus was they saved on toilet paper as the excessive sweating reduced bathroom visits, I can attest to that. The cases were outstanding in both the judged building as well as the non judged building. Yes they both filled individual buildings and there was much to oh and ah over. Wonderful thing happened in the judged competition, many of the young students from Glendora School District entered their cases and once again won quite a few awards. I mentioned a month or so ago that this program was in jeopardy, and here they win wonderful recognition for their school district, their instructor and themselves. these are 13-17 year old girls and boys. Now the show itself, Jack Williams Show Chairman managed to find the best meld of Dealers and variety of products and materials I have yet seen, and I include commercial shows in this evaluation. There were locals and as well those who traveled quite some distance. diamond Pacific as usual supported Rock and Mineral Clubs with their presence. There was an excellent display of Fluorescent material and the youngsters were audibly in awe of them. There was nothing that was not rock, mineral, lapidary, jewelry related. Not a flea market crafty item at all. Anyone who came for our hobby/business material found what they wanted. Consideration was given to the number of dealers with same items, beads, fossils, findings, tools in competition with one another. Dealer selection was such that there was no unreasonable clash for attention. Very well done. Business seemed to be brisk. I did notice, as I have many times before, those dealers who gave consideration to location of the show, economics of the area and brought along appropriate materials, were successful. I did see some that brought along inventory out of sync with the area were not smiling. It is my opinion, I did not go around asking. I did see one I have seen and overheard before who then blamed the customers for not appreciating his work. I don't think he gets it yet. For myself, I was shown an unusual fine silver piece, was told where is was being sold, went over and made several different purchases. Word of mouth of those who know each other from attending shows, etc. willingly share information. I love this aspect, so do the dealers. Some of the dealers I recognized there were Helen Goga, Wire Artists Group with her wonderful publication and lovely daughter Becky, Dale Nichols, Wire Artist, Chris Rose, High Desert Mines, Kenneth Lee the ingenious tool designer, Corrine Gurry, the Wire Wizard Lady, Joyce and Hugh, J&J Minerals, I apologize for those I cannot remember at this time. There were demonstrators galore, silent auction, gold panning, fun stuff for youths, Geodes selected and then sliced without further charge, these wonderful folks, and the club volunteers really deserve big thanks, they were all set up outside under easy ups, only shelter from the sun, not the heat. I saw a few misters with fans behind them directing the mist at those giving their all for the pleasure of attendees. I must admit to standing in front of the mister several times. There were two extremely well attended booths there, first was a 14 plus pound Gold Nugget dug out in recent years at the Original Sixteen to One Mine. It sat on a purple velvet pillow on open display and was put into the hands of anyone that cared to hold it. Believe me I did and yes it was rather heavy. To say the least, it is a magnificent specimen and an honor to be able to hold. Mike Miller the mine owner spoke at the CFMS Meeting. His current story is a tale of beaurocracy gone amok. I am preparing a story on the lunacy of it all and will upload it in a few days. The mine is offering tours and more information can be obtained from two web sites, or Sounds like a great field trip to me. The second overwhelmed booth was outside under a easy-up and was Gunther's Fruit Freezes. This vendor was direct from heaven. They offered four flavors, strawberry, lemon, orange, and strawberry banana. This was the closest to the delight of my youth and whenever I can find the real stuff, Italian Ices. When it came to be Summer, the Italian bakeries made real fruit Lemon Ices. They were then sold in pleated paper cups for one and two cents, one to two dollars last I was in New York. The ones sold in Placerville were three and five dollars, worth every cent. My deep thanks to the Host Club The El Dorado Gem and Mineral Society, for the excellent show, the great humor despite the heat, and to the CFMS for its sponsorship. The show's opening ceremonies included a shoot-out by the Outlaw Sheriffs, an unexpected surprise for all. A great weekend was had by all. Teresa Masters From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 16:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Sat Jul 20 15:53:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RMFMS August Newsletter Message-ID: <001001c22dbc$7f988a00$65b2950c@mel> The August RMFMS Newsletter is now available at http://www.rmfms.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 16:53:43 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rocksndogs) Date: Sat Jul 20 15:53:43 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member Message-ID: <006301c22f47$7a4f5c40$e3ad153f@computer> Hello everybody- My name is Kathy. I am new. I am a member of the = Central Illinois Gem and Mineral Club in Decatur, Illinois. I friend = told me about this site. So far- I am not really sure how it works, but = I am excited to see what happens next! Everybody keep on rock'n! TTFN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 16:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Jul 20 15:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "New gem" astorite References: <000501c23004$f133c720$254f353f@7a2wp> Message-ID: <3D39EAFC.21730B6F@att.net> Too bad. Someone of her staure should know better. What irks me the most is that they use the "-ite" suffix which should be reserved for IMA-approved minerals. I don't know Latin, and therefore I can't offer my improvement on the phrase "caveat emptor," which would be "let the buyer quiver in fear." Don Dan Z wrote: > > This month's Rock & Gem magazine contains an article by June Culp Zeitner > titled "Astorite: A New Gem Material." > > Turns out "astorite" is rhodonite. So once again we have someone making up a > name for a material that has a perfectly acceptable official name already. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 17:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Jul 20 16:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member References: <006301c22f47$7a4f5c40$e3ad153f@computer> Message-ID: <3D39F048.A64F1240@att.net> rocksndogs wrote: > > Hello everybody- My name is Kathy. I am new. I am a member of the Central Illinois Gem and Mineral Club in > Decatur, Illinois. I friend told me about this site. So far- I am not really sure how it works, but I am > excited to see what happens next! Everybody keep on rock'n! TTFN Ah, the land of fluorites & fossils! It looks like you have the working part down OK--your message has reached hundreds of people. You can post questions, make announcements, answer questions, and post occasional ads (prefaced by AD: in the subject line). For example, if I asked, "Does anyone have lots of huge perfect fluorite from Cave-in-Rock," you might answer, "I have some, and you can have all you want for $1." Or not. If you keep an open mind and learn from everything, you will add immeasurably to your store of knowledge and contacts in the mineral world. The most fun is when you meet people at shows & symposia with whom you've been corresponding for ages. Good luck, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 17:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jul 20 16:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member Message-ID: <9c.23224b8e.2a6b4b5c@aol.com> Welcome aboard KATHY, You ask a question and I am sure that someone will know, or at least give you an educated guess. This is a great group of people from all walks of life and endeavors but all have one thing in common (maybe a couple things) WE LIKE ROCKS, and of course other things. So Again, WELCOME ABOARD and Happy Hunting For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 19:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jul 20 18:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay Message-ID: <20020720.213915.-662015.0.grubsnorb@juno.com> Hi Tim, I have rarely been satisfied with a mineral purchase on Ebay, with a few exceptions like a 25 pound piece of solid black obsidian ! Can you recommend a few honest sites to buy and sell minerals ? Thank you Tom grubsnorb@juno.com On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:21:59 -0400 "Tim Jokela" writes: > You get what you pay for, folks. > > You can hardly buy a single half-decent emerald specimen for fifteen > bucks, > let alone a half pound. > > eBay is not exactly rife with scrupulous professional mineral > dealers, to > say the least; I have a hard time understanding why anybody would > buy or > sell minerals there. > > Tim Jokela Jr > tjokela@execulink.com > http://www.element51.com > http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: July 19, 2002 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Emeralds on Ebay > > > > I purchased a couple of these "Unsearched Emeralds" bags off of > eBay. The > > only worthwhile stone was an end-cut off a water worn or tumbled > emerald - > > hardly "unsearched". When I notified the seller, I received no > response. > > > > > > o > > o o > > o o > > ·.¸¸.¸><(((((º> Rich ·.¸¸.¸><(((((º> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 20 20:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jul 20 19:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock for sale Message-ID: <130.1189a573.2a6b719f@aol.com> If you want more obsidian let me know. In California it is real common, and cheap. I got a few hundred pounds in the back yard. One of the reasons I don't sell more on E Bay is shipping cost. Shipping a 25 pound rock can cost as much or more than it is worth. I've got some petrified wood that might be worth $1 per pound -- but why sell it if shipping cost seventy-five cents a pound? Things that have a high value per pound work better on E Bay. I've got some agate I would sell, Maury Mountain and some others. I've got a lot of slabs of unnamed agate I would sell too. I'm always willing to email a photo of anything I've got. You can check shipping at the UPS site from zip code 95926 if there is something you want to buy. Grant Johnston From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 00:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jul 20 23:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds and others on Ebay Message-ID: <12f.14a07145.2a6baac3@aol.com> I too have NEVER been 100% satisfied with any material I have purchased on E bay. I usually feel that I have paid twice as much, as I would normally have paid, if I'd purchased at a show and or a suppliers home... I can however see why I and others, do purchase on E bay. PURE BOREDOM comes to mind.... We all love rocks and minerals and gemstones and fossils etc.. Dare I say, we're addicted ? Hence, if there are no friendly local sales and retail shows around and or, we don't have the time to travel, etc.... e bay is a quick ... f i x... And YES, I admit it too, I always give positive feedback, no matter what I get in the mail ........Well, there was one time I did not, because of blatant abuses. But the seller managed to get that negative feedback off there record pronto, because e bay primarily supports sellers, not buyers...... Of course there are some very good sellers and materials on e bay and most know of them and thus, the bidding can be overly competitive ! I check out e bay occasionally, yet I rarely buy anything... When I do look, I seek out honest sellers and good materials.....I look forward to seeing the mineral materials Walt Bowser will be offering on E bay. Happy Hunting RnL From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 06:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jane Davis) Date: Sun Jul 21 05:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CFMS Show Report Placerville Ca. References: <3D33B6C0.D5384768@cox.net> Message-ID: <001001c230b3$10cf5e60$a08c4d0c@jade> Thanks for a great show report. I too love the non-commercial shows that are sponsored by local rock and gem clubs. It is always great to see familiar faces and meet new people as well. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Masters" To: "Beverly Moreau" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:01 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] CFMS Show Report Placerville Ca. > An eventful 1100 mile round trip from 62-72 degree Oceanside up 5, the > inland route north to Placerville, 100-112 degrees in a 4 cylinder Van > that overheated! Left that "vehicle" in the pay parking lot at the > Bakersfield Airport and rented from Avis. > > We reached Placerville somewhat later than planned but had to set up two > cases that Thursday night as this was a three day show. Due to the > extreme heat wave electricity was at a premium and fans replaced air > conditioning. Consensus was they saved on toilet paper as the excessive > sweating reduced bathroom visits, I can attest to that. > > The cases were outstanding in both the judged building as well as the > non judged building. Yes they both filled individual buildings and there > was much to oh and ah over. Wonderful thing happened in the judged > competition, many of the young students from Glendora School District > entered their cases and once again won quite a few awards. I mentioned a > month or so ago that this program was in jeopardy, and here they win > wonderful recognition for their school district, their instructor and > themselves. these are 13-17 year old girls and boys. > > Now the show itself, Jack Williams Show Chairman managed to find the > best meld of Dealers and variety of products and materials I have yet > seen, and I include commercial shows in this evaluation. There were > locals and as well those who traveled quite some distance. diamond > Pacific as usual supported Rock and Mineral Clubs with their presence. > There was an excellent display of Fluorescent material and the > youngsters were audibly in awe of them. > > There was nothing that was not rock, mineral, lapidary, jewelry related. > Not a flea market crafty item at all. Anyone who came for our > hobby/business material found what they wanted. Consideration was given > to the number of dealers with same items, beads, fossils, findings, > tools in competition with one another. Dealer selection was such that > there was no unreasonable clash for attention. Very well done. Business > seemed to be brisk. > > I did notice, as I have many times before, those dealers who gave > consideration to location of the show, economics of the area and brought > along appropriate materials, were successful. I did see some that > brought along inventory out of sync with the area were not smiling. It > is my opinion, I did not go around asking. I did see one I have seen and > overheard before who then blamed the customers for not appreciating his > work. I don't think he gets it yet. > > For myself, I was shown an unusual fine silver piece, was told where is > was being sold, went over and made several different purchases. Word of > mouth of those who know each other from attending shows, etc. willingly > share information. I love this aspect, so do the dealers. > > Some of the dealers I recognized there were Helen Goga, Wire Artists > Group with her wonderful publication and lovely daughter Becky, Dale > Nichols, Wire Artist, Chris Rose, High Desert Mines, Kenneth Lee the > ingenious tool designer, Corrine Gurry, the Wire Wizard Lady, Joyce and > Hugh, J&J Minerals, I apologize for those I cannot remember at this > time. > > There were demonstrators galore, silent auction, gold panning, fun stuff > for youths, Geodes selected and then sliced without further charge, > these wonderful folks, and the club volunteers really deserve big > thanks, they were all set up outside under easy ups, only shelter from > the sun, not the heat. I saw a few misters with fans behind them > directing the mist at those giving their all for the pleasure of > attendees. I must admit to standing in front of the mister several > times. > > There were two extremely well attended booths there, first was a 14 plus > pound Gold Nugget dug out in recent years at the Original Sixteen to One > Mine. It sat on a purple velvet pillow on open display and was put into > the hands of anyone that cared to hold it. Believe me I did and yes it > was rather heavy. To say the least, it is a magnificent specimen and an > honor to be able to hold. Mike Miller the mine owner spoke at the CFMS > Meeting. His current story is a tale of beaurocracy gone amok. I am > preparing a story on the lunacy of it all and will upload it in a few > days. The mine is offering tours and more information can be obtained > from two web sites, or Sounds like a > great field trip to me. > > The second overwhelmed booth was outside under a easy-up and was > Gunther's Fruit Freezes. This vendor was direct from heaven. They > offered four flavors, strawberry, lemon, orange, and strawberry banana. > This was the closest to the delight of my youth and whenever I can find > the real stuff, Italian Ices. When it came to be Summer, the Italian > bakeries made real fruit Lemon Ices. They were then sold in pleated > paper cups for one and two cents, one to two dollars last I was in New > York. The ones sold in Placerville were three and five dollars, worth > every cent. > > My deep thanks to the Host Club The El Dorado Gem and Mineral Society, > for the excellent show, the great humor despite the heat, and to the > CFMS for its sponsorship. The show's opening ceremonies included a > shoot-out by the Outlaw Sheriffs, an unexpected surprise for all. A > great weekend was had by all. > > Teresa Masters > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 09:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Nance) Date: Sun Jul 21 08:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky Quartz Message-ID: <000a01c230cc$16fc72a0$1d64ae18@houston.rr.com> Hi, I'm looking for smoky quartz crystals that come from American mines or = sites. When I'm not collecting minerals or fossils, I facet gemstones. = I'm always looking for American rough to cut. So far , I've faceted = gemstones from 54 American sites. (an assortment of gem materials) Today, I'm looking for smoky quartz crystals. The crystals should not be specimen grade, broken crystals are great for = faceting into gemstones. The crystals should be transparent or have = large areas that are transparent. (must be able to see through them) I will gladly facet you a gemstone or two for some of your smoky quartz = crystals.=20 If your interested in a trade, I would love to hear from you! Jim Nance =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 11:10:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (bobo) Date: Sun Jul 21 10:10:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] #&%@! Ebay In-Reply-To: <12f.14a07145.2a6baac3@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow! And I recently let someone talk me into participating in all of this chicanery as a medium for selling some of my personally-collected "extras"! They seduced me with such soothing noises as, "No frilly table skirts, fancy display cases or show fees required", and "You don't need an over-inflated sense of self-worth or have to sip tea with your pinky extended to be 'invited' to sell nice minerals here." Of course, I swallowed their hype & jumped in with both feet. Only now, by following this thread, has the horrifying Truth dawned on me....that I consort with nefarious & shadowy characters and all the 'happy chatter' on my feedback page is an ugly, ugly lie! PLEASE folks......please critique the few listings below. I thought I was offering a worthwhile product @ a fair price, but now I find that I am preying on the weakness of bored & lonely addicts, who cling haplessly to their CRTs in the middle of the night. The image of them, bloated by half-eaten pizza & frenzied from the sugar-rush of Twinkies, haunts me....their hollow eyes, as they bid frantically, stare back at me from my own monitor. I do not wish to be a thief or a vulture, so I'd like for you, my peers, to render a verdict. In the meantime, I shall cease & desist from the auction "scene" and offer all my buyers a speedy refund (especially the 'repeat customers', to whom I will suggest some form of counseling). Many thanks for the "heads-up" & any feedback! With tongue in cheek, bobo ;o) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2116898200 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2121003336 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2121006645 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2122514398 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2118961327 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 14:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kevin k conroy) Date: Sun Jul 21 13:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] #&%@! Ebay Message-ID: <004e01c230f3$19447c20$e12b4b0c@kcmins> Hi! See what you've got yourself into! Here you are offering good minerals at reasonable prices to the huddled masses, when you could be adding a zero (or two) to the prices and getting a booth at a fancy-shmancy chandelier lit mineral show. That way you could be preying on an entirely different set of collectors, PLUS all of us "bored & lonely addicts". All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com -----Original Message----- From: bobo To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Sunday, July 21, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] #&%@! Ebay >Wow! And I recently let someone talk me into participating >in all of this chicanery as a medium for selling some of my >personally-collected "extras"! They seduced me with such >soothing noises as, "No frilly table skirts, fancy display cases >or show fees required", and "You don't need an over-inflated >sense of self-worth or have to sip tea with your pinky extended >to be 'invited' to sell nice minerals here." Of course, I swallowed >their hype & jumped in with both feet. Only now, by following this >thread, has the horrifying Truth dawned on me....that I consort >with nefarious & shadowy characters and all the 'happy chatter' >on my feedback page is an ugly, ugly lie! >PLEASE folks......please critique the few listings below. I thought >I was offering a worthwhile product @ a fair price, but now I find >that I am preying on the weakness of bored & lonely addicts, who >cling haplessly to their CRTs in the middle of the night. The image >of them, bloated by half-eaten pizza & frenzied from the sugar-rush >of Twinkies, haunts me....their hollow eyes, as they bid frantically, >stare back at me from my own monitor. I do not wish to be a thief >or a vulture, so I'd like for you, my peers, to render a verdict. In the >meantime, I shall cease & desist from the auction "scene" and offer >all my buyers a speedy refund (especially the 'repeat customers', to >whom I will suggest some form of counseling). > >Many thanks for the "heads-up" & any feedback! >With tongue in cheek, >bobo ;o) > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2116898200 >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2121003336 >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2121006645 >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2122514398 >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2118961327 >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 15:20:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jul 21 14:20:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds and others on Ebay Message-ID: <197.a0c4d6c.2a6c7f42@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/02 11:21:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Rocknlight@aol.com writes: > > I usually feel that I have paid twice as much, as I would normally have > paid, > if I'd purchased at a show and or a suppliers home... > As a seller I've have to agree with you. If you buy the usual generic lapidary rough; pet wood, agate, picture jasper -- you need to constantly be aware of SHIPPING COST. If you go to the UPS site -- WWW.UPS.COM and enter your zip code, an imaginary number of pounds, and my zip code (95926) you will find out what it cost for me to ship things to you. SHIPPING COST can just about double the cost of rough rock. I've seen good stuff for sale at Richardson Ranch in Madras, OR for a half a buck a pound. If you buy it mail order add at least 100% to- 200% more just for shipping. Hey, you can drive from where you live to Madras, pick out 10 pounds of it, give them a $5 bill and drive back home. What will that cost you? On the other hand, if you are buying Bad Boy's of Cripple Creek turquoise for $300 per pound and shipping with insurance is $3 to $5 per pound, SHIPPING COST is a minor consideration. I've noticed hundreds of pounds of Sleeping Beauty turquoise for sale on E Bay but I'm not convinced it is the real thing. Another consideration, a lot of rockhounds with slab saws cut more slabs than they will ever use. But there are others out there who do not even own a slabs saw. They get by with a trim saw and some grinding and polishing tools. If a guy like me, that enjoys running a big saw, can sell a few slabs to somebody without a slab saw, well, you do the math. I have a lot of slabs and hundreds of dollars invested in old, used up 10' diamond saw blades. They were new blades when I bought them E Bay serves a purpose. Buying or selling yard rocks and leverite is probably not a good use of E Bay. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 21 19:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jul 21 18:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock for sale References: <130.1189a573.2a6b719f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D3B6190.307E@Tomaszewski.net> If I wanted your 25 lb chunk of obsidian and needed it priority 3 day UPS it would cost $118 (I checked). If I waited (an average of 10 days from past experience) for cheapest UPS we're still talking almost $26 shipping. USPS might still be cheaper at 25 lbs, but not by much. YMMV. Distance from the source always makes something more valuable, no matter how common it is there. Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > > If you want more obsidian let me know. In California it is real common, and > cheap. I got a few hundred pounds in the back yard. > > One of the reasons I don't sell more on E Bay is shipping cost. Shipping a 25 > pound rock can cost as much or more than it is worth. I've got some petrified > wood that might be worth $1 per pound -- but why sell it if shipping cost > seventy-five cents a pound? Things that have a high value per pound work > better on E Bay. > > I've got some agate I would sell, Maury Mountain and some others. I've got a > lot of slabs of unnamed agate I would sell too. I'm always willing to email a > photo of anything I've got. You can check shipping at the UPS site from zip > code 95926 if there is something you want to buy. > > Grant Johnston > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 22 00:16:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jul 21 23:16:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] BOBO #&%@! Ebay Message-ID: <6c.1f7eb861.2a6cfd1f@aol.com> Bobo Glad to see you took my little story with a grand sense of humor. Life is too short otherwise. Great story you told and really nice Lazulite by the way...... Also, very honest of you to mention the period misplacement for the item. Next time you offer some Lazulite like that, please e mail me and when you again offer it at $32, please put the period between the 3 and 2, just like this, $3.20.... But make sure to put in a ( Buy It Now ) price, exactly the same : ) Thanks for your input B RnL From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 22 05:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Tambuyser) Date: Mon Jul 22 04:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] do we have a link to your website ? Message-ID: <000b01c2316f$fd32f020$9ef77f50@xs4all.nl> Those of you who frequently use the "Mineral Collectors Page" www.minerant.org know that we provide comprehensive lists of links to all kinds of mineralogy related information on the WWW. Lots of collectors and mineral and gem dealers already have a link to their website. If you would also like to be mentioned on our pages, or if the information on your site needs updating, we would very appreciate if you would let us know. If you want to make exchanges, please use the "Virtual Quarry" www.minerant.org/vq.html our free advertisement service. Kind regards, Paul Tambuyser paul@minerant.org webmaster www.minerant.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 22 07:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jul 22 06:53:01 2002 Subject: Advertisement: [Rockhounds] Emeralds and others on Ebay References: <197.a0c4d6c.2a6c7f42@aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01c23187$5ec7e5e0$f9af5a0c@fekib> I have been following the discussion on emeralds for awhile now, and wanted to offer a bit of resolution that might benefit some of us (including me!). I have been able to buy, direct from a miner's relative in Colombia, small emeralds now and then. I currently have a dozen or so of these to trade or sell. They are single, loose XLs, from 5-10mm long, usually singly terminated, once in awhile doubly, are transparent, light green, and fit well as a TN in a perky box (not included). They are too small and lightly colored to cut, but make nice crystal examples. I sell them for $10, and send them in a standard envelope as first class mail. Satisfaction is guaranteed! If you prefer to trade, I will accept a well-formed TN of the same value, but write first, please. This is not an e-bay type offer, I am a reliable, honest dealer/collector, and promise fair value. Good collecting............Larry Rush ConnRox Minerals From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 22 19:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jul 22 18:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "New gem" astorite + Colorado gemstones Message-ID: <20020721171415.IEVL6994.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi group (I think the moderator will have to forward this reply back onto the list for me, because I'm not writing this from my "home" computer), Jack Murphy (Denver Mus. geology curator) and I visited The Prospector rock shop in Nathrop CO a few weeks ago, and were interested/amused to see a display there of polished samples of "astorite", a new name on us. It is billed as "a mixture of rhodonite + rhodochrosite" (plus a few other minerals), but basically looks about the same as the pink "rhodonite" that has been traditionally found & polished, from the Sunnyside mine or vicinity, near Silverton. The "astorite" is supposed to be from a mine in that area, "that was owned by John Jacob Astor". The material is mostly "rhodonite", with just a touch of rhodochrosite in a slightly different shade of pink, plus quartz and other things (including a trace of yellow helvite grains in some specimens). My other comment here, of course, is that it has been known for quite a few years, though still not generally known & used among most rockhounds, that the Silverton rhodonite is not really rhodonite, but the closely related mineral, pyroxmangite--very similar, but a slightly different crystal structure as well as chemical comp. When it's massive material there's no obvious way to tell the difference, but basically all the massive vein material from the Silverton area has been shown by XRD to be pyroxmangite, not rhodonite. But pyroxmangite is such a long & unfamiliar name.... (this has actually been known, to mineralogists, since the 70's). Jack and I give a capsule summary of this material, with a picture, in our article on Colorado gemstones in the latest (July-Aug.) issue of Rocks & Minerals. In which connection, I might as well add, that the theme of the Denver Show this year is "Colorado Gemstones", and in addition, we're having a 4-day symposium starting Sep. 7, the Saturday a week before the Denver Show, on "Gemstones Deposits of Colorado and the Rocky Mountain Region". Registration fee for the symposium is $30, plus $35 for each of two optional field trips on Sep. 9 and 10, and $25 for an optional banquet Saturday evening. You can find more info about the symposium on the Friends of Mineralogy website, www.friendsofmineralogy.org, or in ads in the July- August issues of either Rocks & Minerals or Mineralogical Record. Pete Modreski, Denver CO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 22 20:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jul 22 19:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock for sale Message-ID: <19a.5aee598.2a6e1ece@aol.com> In a message dated 7/21/02 6:38:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: > If I wanted your 25 lb chunk of obsidian and needed it priority 3 day > UPS it would cost $118 (I checked). If I waited (an average of 10 days > from past experience) for cheapest UPS we're still talking almost $26 > shipping. USPS might still be cheaper at 25 lbs, but not by much. YMMV. > Right, That is exactly why I quit selling on E Bay. People might be paying twice as much as something is worth but it is not because all dealers are dishonest. Some buyers do not read the part about shipping charges, or if they do, they do not understand how much it will be. But pricey items like turquoise can be shipped at a reasonable rate. As long as it is what it's supposed to be E Bay is a good place to buy. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 22 22:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jul 22 21:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CFMS Show Report Placerville Ca. Message-ID: <20020723041740.DQEK3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> My thanks to all who have written to comment on my show report. These are put on totally with volunteer labor, and labor is what it is, long and hard. I have set up and broken down many club shows, then manned various booths as well. On another list there is a commentary from a dealer which saddens my heart. No club puts on a show with the intent to fail its dealers, the commercial shows mean to run club shows out of existence and frequently in larger city areas run in direct competition. Clubs offer far better prices but do not have the advertising budget available to commercial shows. This is an area a dealer can assist in by directly contacting his customers to let them know he will be in the area. Oh well I really meant this to be a Thank You only. Teresa on the road in Woodstock, Conn. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 01:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Tue Jul 23 00:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - ebay auctions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020723085938.006dec94@popmail.libero.it> Interested in benitoites ? there are some on Ebay right now ! and more in the next days ! Give a look at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=itali anminerals Regards, Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 08:56:07 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kemp Lamunyon) Date: Tue Jul 23 07:56:07 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emeralds and others on Ebay References: <197.a0c4d6c.2a6c7f42@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c23259$46fa92a0$6401a8c0@knnwck.wa.charter.com> Speaking of slabs. We just posted about 60 p-wood slabs, in two slab lots, to auction on our site. Most in unknown location but you all can be the judge. most are starting at a buck. There is some nice wood in there but I just can't figure out where it came from and the person I got it from has passed on... http://www.geosearchengine.com/cgi-local/auction/ Thanks Kemp > > I usually feel that I have paid twice as much, as I would normally have > > paid, > > if I'd purchased at a show and or a suppliers home... > > > E Bay serves a purpose. Buying or selling yard rocks and leverite is probably > not a good use of E Bay. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 13:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Tue Jul 23 12:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen Moonrocks Message-ID: <001201c2327b$73072710$a90ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> To all, As you all may have seen there have been arrests in Florida for = 'illigetimate sell of "moonrocks"'. It all started around march-april this year when someone to put an add = to the "virtual quarry", part of the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp = (Belgium), with some information about moonrocks for sale. The add was initially not taken serious, until a member of our Club got = suspicious and informed the FBI. Some of us knew about the initial AD, but all the rest was done between = one member and the FBI. So to say, our member worked undecover for the FBI. After a short period it appeared for the FBI that all must have happened = within the NASA organisation, so they could not inform NASA. Wurtheron everything has been explained in the to-days newsflashes and = CNN news. This was for all of us a surprise. It is even a surprise that this could = have happened. As president of the Mineralogical Club of Antwerp I want to congratulate = our member for his vigilant and effective way to help the FBI in this = investigation. For those looking to our website, check the statistics, how come?? Regards, Paul Van hee MKA website: www.minerant.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 13:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jul 23 12:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] do we have a link to your website ? Message-ID: <104.18f55f93.2a6f0328@aol.com> Hi Paul Yes, I would like to take advantage of your offer. My business name is Scullys Minerals and Fossils and the website is http://www.feraloldguy.com. Thanks (-: John Scully In a message dated 7/22/02 4:04:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mineral@xs4all.nl writes: << Subj: [Rockhounds] do we have a link to your website ? Date: 7/22/02 4:04:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: mineral@xs4all.nl (Paul Tambuyser) Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Those of you who frequently use the "Mineral Collectors Page" www.minerant.org know that we provide comprehensive lists of links to all kinds of mineralogy related information on the WWW. Lots of collectors and mineral and gem dealers already have a link to their website. If you would also like to be mentioned on our pages, or if the information on your site needs updating, we would very appreciate if you would let us know. If you want to make exchanges, please use the "Virtual Quarry" www.minerant.org/vq.html our free advertisement service. Kind regards, Paul Tambuyser paul@minerant.org webmaster www.minerant.org >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 13:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jul 23 12:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Message-ID: BlankHi all, Big news today for the web-page of the "Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen" (Mineralogical Society of Antwerp), owner of the well-known page "The Virtual Quarry"... so big that it reached todays CNN-web page and all press agencies. A safe of 600 lbs, containing 113 grams of genuine moon rocks and many valuable objects and documents was stolen by 4 individuals, and has been retrieved with the intensive cooperation of one of our members and well know "glowhound" (collector and photographer of fluorescent minerals). The thieves had placed an advertisement on "The Virtual Quarry" to sell "priceless genuine moon rocks". This fact was brought to the attention of the FBI by Axel, and two agents played the role of Axel and his wife. They made an appointment in Florida to meet the thieves, and were able to arrest them and to retrieve all of the stolen items. The story was carefully kept secret here and in the USA (also by the webmaster, Axel and a few other persons who knew about the story) until today the news of the arrest came and the information ban was releaved by the FBI. Axel got a nice thank-you message today from the FBI, and is overwhelmed now by reporters and news agencies here. The original price they asked was 1000-5000 USD (or EUR) per gram, and that price was even raised for the undercovered FBI-agents to 8000 USD for all pieces of more than one gram. The FBI-agents told us the following : The samples Orb tried to sell us were genuine Apollo mission samples. The stolen material included samples from every mission that successfully landed on the moon. Also in the safe stolen by Orb and his co-conspirators was the ALH84001 meteorite (Background info here: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html). We recovered it also, along with a number of scientific journals, notebooks, and other materials which had been in the safe. You can read all of the story on different sites on the Internet today, e.g. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/23/stolen.moon.rocks.ap/index.html Four arrested for stealing moon rocks ... Undercover agents received an e-mail tip in May and started communicating with a person offering "priceless moon rocks" collected by Apollo astronauts in 1969 and the early 1970s, FBI agent James Jarboe said. The ad was placed May 9 on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, Belgium, according to the criminal complaint filed Monday in federal court in Tampa. ... http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/space/1503835 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-07-23-moon-rocks_x.htm This story will, of course, fill a whole issue of our monthly magazine "Geonieuws". Therefore some of you could do us a big favour by keeping every possible journal article on this subject. Lateron we will contact everyone who can provide us with a copy, scan of genuine piece of information as it appears in the US journals. That would be nice for "A"'s article that will follow. If you have a piece of information available, please let me know at rik.dillen@skynet.be. Thanks !! Thank you very much for your courtesy. We will keep you informed if there is any further significant evolution in this case. Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 13:26:06 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jul 23 12:26:06 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II Message-ID: BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 14:02:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jul 23 13:02:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Message-ID: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Goede Dag! Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop this crime. Those items are the property of the people of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some dinner and some good beer or wine. Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that there are still people of high moral standards in the world of minerals. Dank U well, Don J. Halterman, Jr. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 14:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jul 23 13:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! In-Reply-To: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Thanks for your kind words (they are especially valuable to Axel, who did the job, and at this very moment is sitting at home with his leg in a plaster... but the cause of that is not that he got a moon rock on his leg). The problem is not so much that one would have looked the other way. The original e-mail message (that I got as well) was so stupid, naive and unbelievable that it was comparable to the type of junk that African criminal organisations are spilling all over the world (you know... the opportunity to help someone smuggling billions of dollars out of his country, of kilograms of first class diamonds in exchange for a share of 30 % or so etc...) that anyone (including myself) would have deleted it as junk mail from someone with too much fantasy in his head. Regards, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Goede Dag! Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop this crime. Those items are the property of the people of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some dinner and some good beer or wine. Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that there are still people of high moral standards in the world of minerals. Dank U well, Don J. Halterman, Jr. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 17:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 23 16:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II References: Message-ID: <3D3DE394.4D98@Tomaszewski.net> If you would like to obtain a moon rock legally you can go to http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/reqinfo.htm for details on submitting a request. Rik Dillen wrote: > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > you again next year ! > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 20:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 23 19:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac Message-ID: <3D3E0A8E.660C@Tomaszewski.net> Since my last purchase of (white) mineral tac my supplier has gone out of business. Can anyone point me to a supplier of mineral tac that I can purchase from online? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 20:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Tue Jul 23 19:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac References: <3D3E0A8E.660C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D3E15F2.2030501@earthlink.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >Since my last purchase of (white) mineral tac my supplier has gone out >of business. Can anyone point me to a supplier of mineral tac that I can >purchase from online? > I googled "mineral tack". Got 61 hits. Not all were suppliers. This one came up at the top. http://www.arizonaminerals.com/accessories.shtml Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 21:40:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jul 23 20:40:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac Message-ID: In a message dated 7/23/2002 10:03:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: > Since my last purchase of (white) mineral tac my supplier has gone out > of business. Can anyone point me to a supplier of mineral tac that I can > purchase from online? David Shannon 480-985-0557 John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 23 23:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard Dale) Date: Tue Jul 23 22:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: AD - Site Update References: <3.0.1.32.20020723085938.006dec94@popmail.libero.it> Message-ID: <007c01c232d5$a7ac3960$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Hi All, I haven't put in an Ad- reminder to check out my on-line sales in = probably a year. In that time, about 500 new specimens were added, so = there is bound to be a lot of different stuff if you haven't visited in = a while. http://www.dalerocks.com/ On eBay, we have accumulated over 2000 positive feedbacks and one = negative (from a non-paying customer retaliating!). To view this week's = hundred-odd offerings, paste all this together: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=3D= minero9&include=3D0&since=3D-1&sort=3D3&rows=3D25 =20 Happy collecting, Richard Dale --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 01:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Wed Jul 24 00:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. Message-ID: <001001c232e2$5d1414b0$272707d8@joe> I recently visited a rock and gem show and came across a piece that = looks like "slag" that has been fired in a kiln with pottery glaze. The = prominent color being a bright purple. The vender said it is found in = one of the lower southern states , dug out of a cliff side.And I cannot = remember the name of it. Can anyone tell me the name of this stuff so I can do some research on = it?...........( and no laughing ) : ) Thanks ........Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/16/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 06:25:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 24 05:25:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. Message-ID: <20020724122443.KEC2117.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> As I've learned, it is very difficult to do an ID based on a somewhat vague text description (no offense). However, assuming your item is really a mineral and not some artificial construct, we are helped by the fact that it is purple. Not that many minerals are purple; and two of the most popular, sugilite and charoite, are not found in the U.S. as far as I know. Clinochlore var. kaemmemerite is purple but would not fit that description and is also not found in the U.S. to my knowledge. I believe purpurite can be found here, and your description just might fit; all the purpurite I've seen occurs as coatings on partings or cleavage planes, so see if that compares. Also, do a web search and you should be able to find a photo of it to compare. I believe there was a discussion on the list about one of the beryllium minerals, which may be purple, but I've never seen it and someone else will need to help with that. Lovely purple hodgkinsonite only occurs from Franklin, NJ, to my knowledge, and usually has some crystalline structure to it. Some of the lithium minerals are purplish too. Now that I think about it, could you provide more description? Was it simply amorphous, or did it have any kind of crystalline shape at all? Was it glassy, dull, or oily looking? Was it transparent, translucent, or opaque? Crusty or smooth? Vivid purple, or unsaturated? Micaceous or platy perhaps? We might be able to narrow this down with a little more detective work. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 06:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 24 05:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. Message-ID: <8f.1f7321e3.2a6ffc77@aol.com> Clay- There was an iron blast furnace near Lake Oswego, Oregon in the 1860's thru 1900 that threw purple slag into the Willamette River, just upstream from Portland, OR. People have been finding that slag ever since. If that sounds familiar, write to me off-list and I'll give you more details, photos. Bill Tompkins Clackamas, OR. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 07:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jul 24 06:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac References: <3D3E0A8E.660C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001b01c23315$97bd71a0$6d5204d0@jim> TRy the stuff from Wal-Mart. It isn't white, but it doesn't "bleed". Check some on paper before using, in case the formulation has changed. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac > Since my last purchase of (white) mineral tac my supplier has gone out > of business. Can anyone point me to a supplier of mineral tac that I can > purchase from online? > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 08:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Wed Jul 24 07:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac References: <3D3E0A8E.660C@Tomaszewski.net> <001b01c23315$97bd71a0$6d5204d0@jim> Message-ID: <3D3EB5FC.2ED6CBEF@utoronto.ca> Here in Canada it was replaced by a green coloured product over 2 years ago. I mix this with another tac (Hold It)and let it sit to "cure". The result is an off-white substance that is holding up well and leaves no residue. Liz Fodi Jim Daly wrote: > > TRy the stuff from Wal-Mart. It isn't white, but it doesn't "bleed". Check > some on paper before using, in case the formulation has changed. > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ > sauktown@adsnet.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:07 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tac > > > Since my last purchase of (white) mineral tac my supplier has gone out > > of business. Can anyone point me to a supplier of mineral tac that I can > > purchase from online? > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 08:17:55 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed Jul 24 07:17:55 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. References: <001001c232e2$5d1414b0$272707d8@joe> Message-ID: <003e01c2331c$a2185640$cc36c143@7a2wp> Slag is commonly found in the areas of old iron mines. It usually has a glassy appearance, and conchoidal fracture. Blues is a common color, but purple is seen often also, along with green, orange, yellow and red. (See the listing for "Bennington [VT] amethyst" in our Rockhounding in Eastern New York and Nearby New England book.) Years ago, when I was teaching computer repair in San Francisco, I went rockhunting on the weekend, and several of my students joined in. Some of them got quite enthusiastic. A couple weeks later one of my students called from Tennessee. He had been hunting and had found a "blue rock, and I think it's Topaz." He was quite excited. I told him I couldn't ID it without seeing it (this was in the days before everyone had internet and digital cameras.) The next day it arrived at my door, Fed-Ex overnight express. I think you can guess what it was.... -dan- __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayandkip" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 03:18 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. I recently visited a rock and gem show and came across a piece that looks like "slag" that has been fired in a kiln with pottery glaze. The prominent color being a bright purple. The vender said it is found in one of the lower southern states , dug out of a cliff side.And I cannot remember the name of it. Can anyone tell me the name of this stuff so I can do some research on it?...........( and no laughing ) : ) Thanks ........Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/16/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 08:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jul 24 07:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II References: <3D3DE394.4D98@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00f101c2331d$8b5a1500$8dab77d5@pandora.be> No shortcuts, people! I'll be watching you! Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > If you would like to obtain a moon rock legally you can go to > http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/reqinfo.htm > for details on submitting a request. > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: > > > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > > > Greetings, > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > > you again next year ! > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 10:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Jul 24 09:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! In-Reply-To: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Dear Don, FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian national radio in an interview this morning by Axel. Greetings, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Goede Dag! Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop this crime. Those items are the property of the people of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some dinner and some good beer or wine. Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that there are still people of high moral standards in the world of minerals. Dank U well, Don J. Halterman, Jr. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 10:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (digem) Date: Wed Jul 24 09:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rick Trapp's email address? Message-ID: <3D3EDA6E.BC63964E@plateautel.net> I'm needing Rick Trapp's email address. Does any one know it? A From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 11:25:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Trapp) Date: Wed Jul 24 10:25:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rick Trapp's email address? References: <3D3EDA6E.BC63964E@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <3D3EE2C0.2010400@azgs.az.gov> My email is Rick.Trapp@azgs.az.gov digem wrote: > I'm needing Rick Trapp's email address. Does any one know it? > A > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Message-ID: <3AA44785.320DCEC2.02180873@aol.com> RiK; I know Don personally and although he is generous he is by no means wealthy, so hopefully the part about offering to buy beer for everone was not extended to all Belgians.... Now THAT would be a party!!!! :-) Gene Hartstein In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200 > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > Dear Don, > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian > national radio > in an interview this morning by Axel. > Greetings, > > Rik From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: <3AA44785.320DCEC2.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <02a201c2333d$428c2e60$d7efe0d5@pandora.be> Too late !! The rumour has spread already! :-) Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > RiK; > > I know Don personally and although he is generous he is by no means wealthy, so hopefully the part about offering to buy beer for everone was not extended to all Belgians.... > > Now THAT would be a party!!!! :-) > > Gene Hartstein > > In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > > > > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200 > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > To: > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > Dear Don, > > > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian > > national radio > > in an interview this morning by Axel. > > Greetings, > > > > Rik > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Bokor) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Victoria Stone Message-ID: <3D3EFD66.E7CDCA1E@telus.net> Greetings: Sorry to bother you all - but I corresponded last October/November with some folks interested in purchasing my collection of Victoria Stones -- and unfortunately, according to Murphy's Law xxx999, I lost both the email addresses and the names of the folks (blame on my 'puter!). If either of you read this, please reply. I have concluded my research on the production/or discontinuation of production of this man-made stone and I can share the information with you. Best regards, Joe Bokor jbokor@telus.net From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:20:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:20:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: <3AA44785.320DCEC2.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <01c901c2333f$428a20a0$8dab77d5@pandora.be> Can I give the next Belgian that goes to the States a coupon so he can drink that beer on my behalf? You can laugh all you want but I found Don's message one straight from he heart and I'm gonna print it and keep it somewhere visible. Thanks Don, I'm touched. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > RiK; > > I know Don personally and although he is generous he is by no means wealthy, so hopefully the part about offering to buy beer for everone was not extended to all Belgians.... > > Now THAT would be a party!!!! :-) > > Gene Hartstein > > In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > > > > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200 > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > To: > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > Dear Don, > > > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian > > national radio > > in an interview this morning by Axel. > > Greetings, > > > > Rik > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Message-ID: <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> ACK! Gene is correct; though I have fond memories of my time in Belgium and would love to buy all Belgians a beer, my limited resources require that I restrict my offer to members of the Antwerp club. I am serious, by the way; if any of you ever come to the northeastern States you are welcome to visit the museums where I volunteer and share some good meals with me. It is not exactly the Medal of Honor, but in a country that seems to celebrate criminals, your honorable actions stand out like a bright light and my offer is the least I can do. Don > RiK; > > I know Don personally and although he is generous he is by no means wealthy, so > hopefully the part about offering to buy beer for everone was not extended to > all Belgians.... > > Now THAT would be a party!!!! :-) > > Gene Hartstein > > In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > > > > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200 > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > To: > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > Dear Don, > > > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian > > national radio > > in an interview this morning by Axel. > > Greetings, > > > > Rik > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Victoria Stone Message-ID: <200207241822.g6OIMSY14085@mail.his.com> >I have concluded my research >on the production/or discontinuation of production of this man-made >stone and I can share the information with you. Dear Joe, Please share with us all! Please share photos too if you have any. Thanks, Cathy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:23:46 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:23:46 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: Message-ID: <01d901c2333f$a5710940$8dab77d5@pandora.be> AND TV (4 different stations no less) Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > Dear Don, > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian national radio > in an interview this morning by Axel. > Greetings, > > Rik > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > ! > > > > Goede Dag! > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > there are still people of high moral standards in the > world of minerals. > > Dank U well, > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 12:43:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Wed Jul 24 11:43:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] I.D. slag ????????? Message-ID: <002401c23341$dbc1fed0$532707d8@joe> Thanks for your input Don: This is all the info I have regarding the piece in = question...................... It was dense, very irregular surface, very smooth all around, very = brightly colored purple,black,and a little red and orange.the piece was = 2.5" x 2" weighed about 4 oz. It was taken out of shale( I believe ) there is a line of this stuff in = the shale, that one had to rope down to in order to access it.The state = that it comes from is Georgia or Alabama. It is fairly new to the = market. The piece in=20 question was $25.00. The vender seemed a good guy he had a nice assortment of rock and = minerals that no one else had.......I guess I should have parted with = the $25 and then done more research but my Irish would not let me. I have looked all over the web but as you said not knowing the name of = the material it is a chore.That's all I have hope it helps.........Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 13:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Wed Jul 24 12:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Don, ACK. Got your msg. I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of the Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we do it over here !! (:-)))) BTW, he knows me very well so no .... Newspapers are full of this story here and so are the TV stations. Just great !! BTW ever tried to get on the CNN frontpage??? This happened here. Again Axel, congratulations and have fun. Rgds, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > ACK! > > Gene is correct; though I have fond memories of my time > in Belgium and would love to buy all Belgians a beer, my > limited resources require that I restrict my offer to > members of the Antwerp club. I am serious, by the way; > if any of you ever come to the northeastern States you > are welcome to visit the museums where I volunteer and > share some good meals with me. It is not exactly the > Medal of Honor, but in a country that seems to celebrate > criminals, your honorable actions stand out like a > bright light and my offer is the least I can do. > > Don > > > > RiK; > > > > I know Don personally and although he is generous he is by no means wealthy, so > > hopefully the part about offering to buy beer for everone was not extended to > > all Belgians.... > > > > Now THAT would be a party!!!! :-) > > > > Gene Hartstein > > > > In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > > > > > > > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200 > > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > > To: > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Don, > > > > > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian > > > national radio > > > in an interview this morning by Axel. > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 14:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jul 24 13:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Message-ID: <020f01c2334d$fa803600$8dab77d5@pandora.be> Thanks Paul, I'm having great fun here.... even got flowers from the mayor of Mortsel... delivered personally. Charming lady. Still a shock when the doorbel rings and the mayor says "Hi"... I'll send you the coupon for the beer ;-))))))))))))) I got a call from two US newspapers, The Orlando Sentinel and the Houston "Something" (tribune, gazette, herald, ...). In this era of digital photography you can't hide from the press... they just call you up and say "please take a photo of yourself and e-mail it to us"... Just kidding! The reporters sounded like nice persons so I shot myself full in the face (full facial shot will do , thank you). Best Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Van hee" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > Don, > > ACK. Got your msg. > I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of the > Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? > I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we do it > over here !! (:-)))) > BTW, he knows me very well so no .... > Newspapers are full of this story here and so are the TV stations. Just > great !! > BTW ever tried to get on the CNN frontpage??? This happened here. > Again Axel, congratulations and have fun. > > Rgds, Paul Van hee > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > > > > > ACK! > > > > Gene is correct; though I have fond memories of my time > > in Belgium and would love to buy all Belgians a beer, my > > limited resources require that I restrict my offer to > > members of the Antwerp club. I am serious, by the way; > > if any of you ever come to the northeastern States you > > are welcome to visit the museums where I volunteer and > > share some good meals with me. It is not exactly the > > Medal of Honor, but in a country that seems to celebrate > > criminals, your honorable actions stand out like a > > bright light and my offer is the least I can do. > > > > Don > > > > > > > RiK; > > > > > > I know Don personally and although he is generous he is by no means > wealthy, so > > > hopefully the part about offering to buy beer for everone was not > extended to > > > all Belgians.... > > > > > > Now THAT would be a party!!!! :-) > > > > > > Gene Hartstein > > > > > > In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a > thriller ! > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:59 +0200 > > > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > > > To: > > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Don, > > > > > > > > FYI : your message has been mentioned with proud on Belgian > > > > national radio > > > > in an interview this morning by Axel. > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 14:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Wed Jul 24 13:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vent Critters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was just out at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon (a WONDERFUL center, if you haven't been there!!) and one of the volunteers, Nancy Steinberg, gave a great talk on their ongoing research with the sea-floor vents off the Oregon coast. They had some up-to-the-minute shots from the research ship that showed all those weird and wonderful critters that live near the vents. I asked if any of those have shown up in the fossil record in vent-formed sulphide deposits. She asked some folks out on the ship, and got mixed answers. One scientist said that the "Oman's massive sulfide deposits (called Ophialite)" were fossils. Others disagreed. What's the view of OUR group? GcB Home of MasMils/PLUS http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 14:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Wed Jul 24 13:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] I.D. slag ????????? In-Reply-To: <002401c23341$dbc1fed0$532707d8@joe> Message-ID: Hi all, Another possibility for this is a natural glass formed by coal fires. I've seen natural slag from these in Wyoming. Lightening strikes an exposed coal seam, a fire starts and the intense heat burning underground does the work melting the usrrounding rocks. The coal seams near places such as Birmingham, Alabama would be a place to look for such things, although I do not know of any reportedly found down there. It is a hypothesis that fits the description at least. Best wishes - Bill Cordua >Thanks for your input Don: > >This is all the info I have regarding the piece in >question...................... > >It was dense, very irregular surface, very smooth all around, very >brightly colored purple,black,and a little red and orange.the piece was >2.5" x 2" weighed about 4 oz. >It was taken out of shale( I believe ) there is a line of this stuff in >the shale, that one had to rope down to in order to access it.The state >that it comes from is Georgia or Alabama. It is fairly new to the market. >The piece in >question was $25.00. > >The vender seemed a good guy he had a nice assortment of rock and minerals >that no one else had.......I guess I should have parted with the $25 and >then done more research but my Irish would not let me. > >I have looked all over the web but as you said not knowing the name of the >material it is a chore.That's all I have hope it helps.........Clay > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 15:41:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Jul 24 14:41:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ID. References: <001001c232e2$5d1414b0$272707d8@joe> Message-ID: <007c01c23358$fd038480$611fbed8@powertech.net> I recently visited a rock and gem show and came across a piece that looks like "slag" that has been fired in a kiln with pottery glaze. The prominent color being a bright purple. The vender said it is found in one of the lower southern states , dug out of a cliff side.And I cannot remember the name of it. Can anyone tell me the name of this stuff so I can do some research on it?...........( and no laughing ) : ) Thanks ........Clay Clay -- When I was on a sternwheeler on the Tennessee River, we tied up one night to shore, an d the next morning there was a little show of homemade goods etc, ashore. (Got a really neat hand-carved waling stick.) But one thing I found were some odd-looking rocks. Sort of marbled blue and white. Nice and shiny, very pretty. She said they were slag from an old furnace from a local mine -- (iron, I think) -- she'd go over there after a rain and just pick them up off the ground. I don't know whether this is the same sort of thing or not. But if yours is really slag, I shouldn't think it has any real name. Other than slag. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 16:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Wed Jul 24 15:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] id Message-ID: <008601c23364$3829e0d0$532707d8@joe> Does anyone have knowledge of the persons or club that held the rock and = mineral show a couple of weeks ago at the bridge of the gods , ore.? thanks clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 17:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jul 24 16:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] id In-Reply-To: <008601c23364$3829e0d0$532707d8@joe> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724160532.0187eb20@mail.spiritone.com> It's mostly a moot point since that was the last year of the show. They got ousted by a car show. And no I don't know who put it on but could find out in a few minutes. At 03:48 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have knowledge of the persons or club that held the rock and >mineral show a couple of weeks ago at the bridge of the gods , ore.? > >thanks clay Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 18:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Jul 24 17:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Message-ID: <3D3F4B68.4E4A2652@att.net> Paul Van hee wrote: > > I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of the > Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? > I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we do it > over here !! (:-)))) Paul, Axel, & friends, New Jersey is where I live! So yes, we will have a good time. We can discuss this trip off-list. I am glad that the country of Belgium is so excited. Here, there was only a brief mention on the television news. But maybe you are wondering why this event is so interesting to me. I will tell the whole story now. I am an assistant science advisor to some school children who are sending a project on the NASA space shuttle. Unfortunately, there is some problem with the shuttle engines and they are all grounded; otherwise the project would be flying in space right now. The children decided to send some fluorescent minerals into space to see if the heat, cold, and cosmic radiation would affect the fluorescence. I also loaned them four of my own specimens. NASA has some very strict rules about what can happen with these specimens after they return. They cannot be sold or used to make a personal profit. For the past few months, I have been trying to find some institutions I can trust, some places that will take care of them properly. One piece will stay permanently at the Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence, of course, but the other three specimens will need a good home. Then, yesterday, I saw that they are not even safe when stored by NASA itself. I became very angry and upset that this had happened. On the other hand, I was filled with joy to see in the same story that Axel & friends had helped return the stolen items. Sadly, I have met some people in mineralogy who lie and steal, and even hurt their friends in order to compete for the best specimens. There must have been a temptation to acquire these extremely rare pieces, and yet the Belgians did the honorable thing. Who knows, those could have been some specimens of mine that were in the custody of NASA, stolen from the shuttle cargo bay. That is why I have taken this episode so personally. Paul, when you visit I will show you something else. I just spoke to the curator on the phone. We are building a new wing to the Warren Museum, the Hesselbacher Room. Since we know Axel has made contributions to the study of fluorescent minerals, and the MKA was generous in donating specimens when the museum was new, and also because of this latest act of nobility: one of the new display cases will have a small placard in honor of Axel Emmermann and the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp, in gratitude for their assistance. Once again, thank you all. We will not forget. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 20:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Wed Jul 24 19:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Catspaw-Minerals Sample MasMils! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All... Well, I'm plugging away on the website, and decided that it would be fun to post a new MasMils/PLUS county extract every couple of weeks. So, this week starts out with the famous pegmatite area in the southern Black Hills: Custer County. Here's the URL for my site: http://www.catspaw-minerals.com When you get there, click on the "Sample MasMils" button on the right to go to the download page. The link there will take you to the sample. It should pop up on your screen as a text file. Copy the file to your local machine, and then load it into your DeLorme (or other) program. Enjoy! By the way... let me know what counties you would like to see! Or, if you can't wait (hint, hint) let me know if you want a copy. Regards, GcB PS... Way to go Antwerp! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 20:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Wed Jul 24 19:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Catspaw-Minerals Sample MasMils! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *sheesh* Click on the button ON THE LEFT. Ok...Gary, listen up. You use your RIGHT HAND on the pledge of allegiance. The OTHER HAND is your left hand. That's the side the navigation buttons are located on at the web site. Get it, Gary... RIGHT HAND = PLEDGE. LEFT HAND = NAVIGATION BUTTONS. It's all because I had to drive on the left in South Africa way back when. After I did that, I lost my sense of right-handedness and left-handedness. GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 22:05:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jul 24 21:05:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks Message-ID: <3D3F789B.6BF5@Tomaszewski.net> Mr. Louis Parker, I am sure that as the JSC Exhibits Manager for NASA you are aware of the recent recovery of stolen moonrock specimens and the role Axel Emmermann played in their recovery. I have taken the liberty of attaching some correspondence about the incident that may have escaped your attention to remind you of the details. I suggest that as an appropriate gesture of thanks from NASA, the United States, scientists, and rockhounds worldwide, it would be appropriate to present Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical Society of Antwerp a small encased moonrock sample similar to those presented to other foreign dignitaries in the past. I have every reason to believe Axel and the Society could arrange for safe display of the specimen. Should this not be possible I encourage you to pursue arrangements for a temporary moonrock display with Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical Society of Antwerp. They deserve recognition for their efforts. I have copied them to assist you in this effort. Thank you for considering my suggestions and sharing same with other relevant decision makers. Kreigh Tomaszewski 653 Burton S.E. Grand Rapids, MI 49507-3236 Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:16:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by dauntless.cnchost.com id PAA14201 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ36dB013380; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:03:06 -0700 Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ2EdB013364 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:02:15 -0700 Received: from dehtxcim3a42hi (80-200-14-169.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.14.169]) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NJ2BH08111; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <001201c2327b$73072710$a90ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> From: "Paul Van hee" To: "Rockhounds" Cc: "Axel Emmermann" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen Moonrocks Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 To all, As you all may have seen there have been arrests in Florida for = 'illigetimate sell of "moonrocks"'. It all started around march-april this year when someone to put an add = to the "virtual quarry", part of the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp = (Belgium), with some information about moonrocks for sale. The add was initially not taken serious, until a member of our Club got = suspicious and informed the FBI. Some of us knew about the initial AD, but all the rest was done between = one member and the FBI. So to say, our member worked undecover for the FBI. After a short period it appeared for the FBI that all must have happened = within the NASA organisation, so they could not inform NASA. Wurtheron everything has been explained in the to-days newsflashes and = CNN news. This was for all of us a surprise. It is even a surprise that this could = have happened. As president of the Mineralogical Club of Antwerp I want to congratulate = our member for his vigilant and effective way to help the FBI in this = investigation. For those looking to our website, check the statistics, how come?? Regards, Paul Van hee MKA website: www.minerant.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 6571 Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:46:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by dauntless.cnchost.com id PAA20003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:29:41 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJN2pi014625; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:23:02 -0700 Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJMHpi014611 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:22:17 -0700 Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.13.148]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NJM3819623 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:22:03 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) From: "Rik Dillen" To: "Rockhounds" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 BlankHi all, Big news today for the web-page of the "Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen" (Mineralogical Society of Antwerp), owner of the well-known page "The Virtual Quarry"... so big that it reached todays CNN-web page and all press agencies. A safe of 600 lbs, containing 113 grams of genuine moon rocks and many valuable objects and documents was stolen by 4 individuals, and has been retrieved with the intensive cooperation of one of our members and well know "glowhound" (collector and photographer of fluorescent minerals). The thieves had placed an advertisement on "The Virtual Quarry" to sell "priceless genuine moon rocks". This fact was brought to the attention of the FBI by Axel, and two agents played the role of Axel and his wife. They made an appointment in Florida to meet the thieves, and were able to arrest them and to retrieve all of the stolen items. The story was carefully kept secret here and in the USA (also by the webmaster, Axel and a few other persons who knew about the story) until today the news of the arrest came and the information ban was releaved by the FBI. Axel got a nice thank-you message today from the FBI, and is overwhelmed now by reporters and news agencies here. The original price they asked was 1000-5000 USD (or EUR) per gram, and that price was even raised for the undercovered FBI-agents to 8000 USD for all pieces of more than one gram. The FBI-agents told us the following : The samples Orb tried to sell us were genuine Apollo mission samples. The stolen material included samples from every mission that successfully landed on the moon. Also in the safe stolen by Orb and his co-conspirators was the ALH84001 meteorite (Background info here: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html). We recovered it also, along with a number of scientific journals, notebooks, and other materials which had been in the safe. You can read all of the story on different sites on the Internet today, e.g. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/23/stolen.moon.rocks.ap/index.html Four arrested for stealing moon rocks ... Undercover agents received an e-mail tip in May and started communicating with a person offering "priceless moon rocks" collected by Apollo astronauts in 1969 and the early 1970s, FBI agent James Jarboe said. The ad was placed May 9 on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, Belgium, according to the criminal complaint filed Monday in federal court in Tampa. ... http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/space/1503835 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-07-23-moon-rocks_x.htm This story will, of course, fill a whole issue of our monthly magazine "Geonieuws". Therefore some of you could do us a big favour by keeping every possible journal article on this subject. Lateron we will contact everyone who can provide us with a copy, scan of genuine piece of information as it appears in the US journals. That would be nice for "A"'s article that will follow. If you have a piece of information available, please let me know at rik.dillen@skynet.be. Thanks !! Thank you very much for your courtesy. We will keep you informed if there is any further significant evolution in this case. Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 3903 Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:47:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by dauntless.cnchost.com id PAA26277 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJQ7pi014944; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:26:07 -0700 Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJPspi014914 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:55 -0700 Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.13.148]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NJPi825146; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) From: "Rik Dillen" To: "Rockhounds" Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" , "Van hee, Paul \(MKA\)" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 3237 Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:19:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by zealous.cnchost.com id QAA06003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK22pi017071; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:02:02 -0700 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK1rpi017061 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:01:53 -0700 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:48 +0000 Received: from [20.7.252.216] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 From: morningstar@att.net To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 Goede Dag! Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop this crime. Those items are the property of the people of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some dinner and some good beer or wine. Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that there are still people of high moral standards in the world of minerals. Dank U well, Don J. Halterman, Jr. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4701 Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:49:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by zealous.cnchost.com id QAA00678 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKJ6Ej018133; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:19:06 -0700 Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKIjEj018119 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:45 -0700 Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.13.148]) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NKIZH21312; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) From: "Rik Dillen" To: Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 Thanks for your kind words (they are especially valuable to Axel, who did the job, and at this very moment is sitting at home with his leg in a plaster... but the cause of that is not that he got a moon rock on his leg). The problem is not so much that one would have looked the other way. The original e-mail message (that I got as well) was so stupid, naive and unbelievable that it was comparable to the type of junk that African criminal organisations are spilling all over the world (you know... the opportunity to help someone smuggling billions of dollars out of his country, of kilograms of first class diamonds in exchange for a share of 30 % or so etc...) that anyone (including myself) would have deleted it as junk mail from someone with too much fantasy in his head. Regards, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! Goede Dag! Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop this crime. Those items are the property of the people of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some dinner and some good beer or wine. Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that there are still people of high moral standards in the world of minerals. Dank U well, Don J. Halterman, Jr. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 4032 Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:21:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by hood.cnchost.com id TAA28421 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:55 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNG3Hd028753; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0700 Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNFXHd028743; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:15:33 -0700 Received: from [64.1.93.36] (w036.z064001093.grr-mi.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.93.36]) by rodney.cnchost.com id TAA10967; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:15:34 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <3D3DE394.4D98@Tomaszewski.net> From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Organization: Postmaster/Webmaster for Tomaszewski.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 If you would like to obtain a moon rock legally you can go to http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/reqinfo.htm for details on submitting a request. Rik Dillen wrote: > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > you again next year ! > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:00:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by dauntless.cnchost.com id UAA23708 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0p32X024925; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:03 -0700 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0oX2X024909 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:50:33 -0700 Received: from att.net ([12.94.166.214]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020725005027.FMBH5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:50:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3D3F4B68.4E4A2652@att.net> From: Don H X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! References: <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Reply-To: morningstar@att.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 Paul Van hee wrote: > > I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of the > Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? > I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we do it > over here !! (:-)))) Paul, Axel, & friends, New Jersey is where I live! So yes, we will have a good time. We can discuss this trip off-list. I am glad that the country of Belgium is so excited. Here, there was only a brief mention on the television news. But maybe you are wondering why this event is so interesting to me. I will tell the whole story now. I am an assistant science advisor to some school children who are sending a project on the NASA space shuttle. Unfortunately, there is some problem with the shuttle engines and they are all grounded; otherwise the project would be flying in space right now. The children decided to send some fluorescent minerals into space to see if the heat, cold, and cosmic radiation would affect the fluorescence. I also loaned them four of my own specimens. NASA has some very strict rules about what can happen with these specimens after they return. They cannot be sold or used to make a personal profit. For the past few months, I have been trying to find some institutions I can trust, some places that will take care of them properly. One piece will stay permanently at the Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence, of course, but the other three specimens will need a good home. Then, yesterday, I saw that they are not even safe when stored by NASA itself. I became very angry and upset that this had happened. On the other hand, I was filled with joy to see in the same story that Axel & friends had helped return the stolen items. Sadly, I have met some people in mineralogy who lie and steal, and even hurt their friends in order to compete for the best specimens. There must have been a temptation to acquire these extremely rare pieces, and yet the Belgians did the honorable thing. Who knows, those could have been some specimens of mine that were in the custody of NASA, stolen from the shuttle cargo bay. That is why I have taken this episode so personally. Paul, when you visit I will show you something else. I just spoke to the curator on the phone. We are building a new wing to the Warren Museum, the Hesselbacher Room. Since we know Axel has made contributions to the study of fluorescent minerals, and the MKA was generous in donating specimens when the museum was new, and also because of this latest act of nobility: one of the new display cases will have a small placard in honor of Axel Emmermann and the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp, in gratitude for their assistance. Once again, thank you all. We will not forget. Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/digest text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 24 22:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jul 24 21:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Catspaw-Minerals Sample MasMils! References: Message-ID: <3D3F7A23.3242@Tomaszewski.net> Catspaw (new) wrote: > > *sheesh* Click on the button ON THE LEFT. Ok...Gary, listen up. You use > your RIGHT HAND on the pledge of allegiance. The OTHER HAND is your left > hand. That's the side the navigation buttons are located on at the web > site. Get it, Gary... RIGHT HAND = PLEDGE. LEFT HAND = NAVIGATION BUTTONS. > It's all because I had to drive on the left in South Africa way back when. > After I did that, I lost my sense of right-handedness and left-handedness. ROTFL! But you forgot the C&C warning. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 25 07:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Thu Jul 25 06:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vent Critters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've read several reports of proposed fossilized tube worms in massive sulfide deposits. Oman was one area I do recall. I also think occurrences in Australia have been reported. Since the discovery of vent animals are relatively recent, the search for fossilized examples is also relatively recent. It's likely geologists have been looking at them for years, without suspecting what they were. his is a good example of the old geologic principle that the present is the key to the past. The discovery of these animals have caused us to look for their reamins in ancient rocks and rethink the origin and nature of cetain types of ore deposits. BTW #1 - Ophiolites are slivers of deformed rocks that likely represent chunks of sea flow ocean crust and even upper mantle that have gotten caught up in mountain building. These do often have massive sulfide deposits that are now interpreted to have formed around and under submarine hot springs. They also have pillow basalts, deep-sea cherts, peridotites, serpentinites and other neat rocks in them. They are known from many areas of the world, but are probably most famously developed in the Alps. BTW #2, I've put the Hatfield Center on my "want to visit some time" list. Thanks for the tip. Best wishes - Bill Cordua >I was just out at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon (a >WONDERFUL center, if you haven't been there!!) and one of the volunteers, >Nancy Steinberg, gave a great talk on their ongoing research with the >sea-floor vents off the Oregon coast. They had some up-to-the-minute shots >from the research ship that showed all those weird and wonderful critters >that live near the vents. I asked if any of those have shown up in the >fossil record in vent-formed sulphide deposits. She asked some folks out on >the ship, and got mixed answers. One scientist said that the "Oman's >massive sulfide deposits (called Ophialite)" were fossils. Others >disagreed. What's the view of OUR group? > >GcB >Home of MasMils/PLUS >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 25 10:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Jul 25 09:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks References: <3D3F789B.6BF5@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <014401c233f5$17669c80$2c9e77d5@pandora.be> Dear Kreigh, I don't know what to say... Making a few millions may be fun and life may be easier if you're rich... it doesn't even begin to compare with the warm feeling I get from reading the mails that keep pouring in from American citizens. Who says there is no reward in being honest? Thank you for your kind words! I'm moved and touched by the words of quite a few Americans. Thank you again. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Cc: "Axel Emmermann" ; "Paul Van hee" ; "Rik Dillen" ; ; "Don H" ; "The Planetary Society" ; Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:04 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > Mr. Louis Parker, > > I am sure that as the JSC Exhibits Manager for NASA you are aware of the > recent recovery of stolen moonrock specimens and the role Axel Emmermann > played in their recovery. I have taken the liberty of attaching some > correspondence about the incident that may have escaped your attention > to remind you of the details. > > I suggest that as an appropriate gesture of thanks from NASA, the United > States, scientists, and rockhounds worldwide, it would be appropriate to > present Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical Society of Antwerp a small > encased moonrock sample similar to those presented to other foreign > dignitaries in the past. I have every reason to believe Axel and the > Society could arrange for safe display of the specimen. > > Should this not be possible I encourage you to pursue arrangements for a > temporary moonrock display with Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical > Society of Antwerp. They deserve recognition for their efforts. I have > copied them to assist you in this effort. > > Thank you for considering my suggestions and sharing same with other > relevant decision makers. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > 653 Burton S.E. > Grand Rapids, MI 49507-3236 > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:16:17 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by dauntless.cnchost.com > id PAA14201 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ36dB013380; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:03:06 -0700 > Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ2EdB013364 > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:02:15 -0700 > Received: from dehtxcim3a42hi (80-200-14-169.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.14.169]) > by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NJ2BH08111; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) > (envelope-from ) > Message-ID: <001201c2327b$73072710$a90ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> > From: "Paul Van hee" > To: "Rockhounds" > Cc: "Axel Emmermann" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen Moonrocks > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 > > To all, > > As you all may have seen there have been arrests in Florida for = > 'illigetimate sell of "moonrocks"'. > It all started around march-april this year when someone to put an add = > to the "virtual quarry", part of the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp = > (Belgium), with some information about moonrocks for sale. > The add was initially not taken serious, until a member of our Club got = > suspicious and informed the FBI. > Some of us knew about the initial AD, but all the rest was done between = > one member and the FBI. > So to say, our member worked undecover for the FBI. > After a short period it appeared for the FBI that all must have happened = > within the NASA organisation, so they could not inform NASA. > Wurtheron everything has been explained in the to-days newsflashes and = > CNN news. > This was for all of us a surprise. It is even a surprise that this could = > have happened. > > As president of the Mineralogical Club of Antwerp I want to congratulate = > our member for his vigilant and effective way to help the FBI in this = > investigation. > > For those looking to our website, check the statistics, how come?? > > Regards, > > Paul Van hee > MKA website: www.minerant.org > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > Content-Length: 6571 > > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:46:50 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by dauntless.cnchost.com > id PAA20003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:29:41 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJN2pi014625; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:23:02 -0700 > Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJMHpi014611 > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:22:17 -0700 > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.13.148]) > by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NJM3819623 > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:22:03 +0200 (MET DST) > (envelope-from ) > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: "Rockhounds" > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Importance: Normal > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Reply-To: > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 > > BlankHi all, > > Big news today for the web-page of the "Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen" > (Mineralogical Society of Antwerp), owner of the well-known page "The > Virtual Quarry"... so big that it reached todays CNN-web page and all press > agencies. > > A safe of 600 lbs, containing 113 grams of genuine moon rocks and many > valuable objects and documents was stolen by 4 individuals, and has been > retrieved with the intensive cooperation of one of our members and well know > "glowhound" (collector and photographer of fluorescent minerals). The > thieves had placed an advertisement on "The Virtual Quarry" to sell > "priceless genuine moon rocks". This fact was brought to the attention of > the FBI by Axel, and two agents played the role of Axel and his wife. They > made an appointment in Florida to meet the thieves, and were able to arrest > them and to retrieve all of the stolen items. The story was carefully kept > secret here and in the USA (also by the webmaster, Axel and a few other > persons who knew about the story) until today the news of the arrest came > and the information ban was releaved by the FBI. Axel got a nice thank-you > message today from the FBI, and is overwhelmed now by reporters and news > agencies here. The original price they asked was 1000-5000 USD (or EUR) per > gram, and that price was even raised for the undercovered FBI-agents to 8000 > USD for all pieces of more than one gram. > > The FBI-agents told us the following : > The samples Orb tried to sell us were genuine Apollo mission samples. The > stolen material included samples from every mission that successfully landed > on the moon. Also in the safe stolen by Orb and his co-conspirators was the > ALH84001 meteorite (Background info here: > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html). We recovered it also, along with a > number of scientific journals, notebooks, and other materials which had been > in the safe. > > You can read all of the story on different sites on the Internet today, e.g. > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/23/stolen.moon.rocks.ap/index.html > Four arrested for stealing moon rocks > ... > Undercover agents received an e-mail tip in May and started communicating > with a person offering "priceless moon rocks" collected by Apollo astronauts > in 1969 and the early 1970s, FBI agent James Jarboe said. > The ad was placed May 9 on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, > Belgium, according to the criminal complaint filed Monday in federal court > in Tampa. > ... > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/space/1503835 > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-07-23-moon-rocks_x.htm > > This story will, of course, fill a whole issue of our monthly magazine > "Geonieuws". Therefore some of you could do us a big favour by keeping every > possible journal article on this subject. Lateron we will contact everyone > who can provide us with a copy, scan of genuine piece of information as it > appears in the US journals. That would be nice for "A"'s article that will > follow. If you have a piece of information available, please let me know at > rik.dillen@skynet.be. Thanks !! > > Thank you very much for your courtesy. We will keep you informed if there is > any further significant evolution in this case. > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > you again next year ! > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > Content-Length: 3903 > > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:47:04 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by dauntless.cnchost.com > id PAA26277 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJQ7pi014944; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:26:07 -0700 > Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJPspi014914 > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:55 -0700 > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.13.148]) > by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NJPi825146; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) > (envelope-from ) > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: "Rockhounds" > Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" , > "Van hee, Paul \(MKA\)" > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Importance: Normal > X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Reply-To: > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > you again next year ! > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > Content-Length: 3237 > > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:19:15 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by zealous.cnchost.com > id QAA06003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK22pi017071; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:02:02 -0700 > Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK1rpi017061 > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:01:53 -0700 > Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) > by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP > id <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne t> > for ; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:48 +0000 > Received: from [20.7.252.216] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > From: morningstar@att.net > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) > Message-Id: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne t> > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > > Goede Dag! > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > there are still people of high moral standards in the > world of minerals. > > Dank U well, > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > Content-Length: 4701 > > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:49:16 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by zealous.cnchost.com > id QAA00678 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKJ6Ej018133; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:19:06 -0700 > Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKIjEj018119 > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:45 -0700 > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.13.148]) > by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g6NKIZH21312; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) > (envelope-from ) > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: > Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > In-Reply-To: <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne t> > Importance: Normal > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Reply-To: > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 > > Thanks for your kind words (they are especially valuable to Axel, who did > the job, and at this very moment is sitting at home with his leg in a > plaster... but the cause of that is not that he got a moon rock on his leg). > The problem is not so much that one would have looked the other way. The > original e-mail message (that I got as well) was so stupid, naive and > unbelievable that it was comparable to the type of junk that African > criminal organisations are spilling all over the world (you know... the > opportunity to help someone smuggling billions of dollars out of his > country, of kilograms of first class diamonds in exchange for a share of 30 > % or so etc...) that anyone (including myself) would have deleted it as junk > mail from someone with too much fantasy in his head. > > Regards, > > Rik > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > ! > > > > Goede Dag! > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > there are still people of high moral standards in the > world of minerals. > > Dank U well, > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > Content-Length: 4032 > > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:21:15 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by hood.cnchost.com > id TAA28421 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:55 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNG3Hd028753; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0700 > Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNFXHd028743; > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:15:33 -0700 > Received: from [64.1.93.36] (w036.z064001093.grr-mi.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.93.36]) > by rodney.cnchost.com > id TAA10967; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:15:34 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] > Message-ID: <3D3DE394.4D98@Tomaszewski.net> > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > Organization: Postmaster/Webmaster for Tomaszewski.net > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > References: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 > > If you would like to obtain a moon rock legally you can go to > http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/reqinfo.htm > for details on submitting a request. > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: > > > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > > > Greetings, > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see > > you again next year ! > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Return-Path: > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:00:49 -0400 > Return-Path: > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) > by dauntless.cnchost.com > id UAA23708 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0p32X024925; > Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:03 -0700 > Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0oX2X024909 > for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:50:33 -0700 > Received: from att.net ([12.94.166.214]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP > id <20020725005027.FMBH5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> > for ; > Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:50:27 +0000 > Message-ID: <3D3F4B68.4E4A2652@att.net> > From: Don H > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > References: <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne t> <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > X-Reply-To: morningstar@att.net > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 > > Paul Van hee wrote: > > > > I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of the > > Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? > > I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we do it > > over here !! (:-)))) > > > Paul, Axel, & friends, > > New Jersey is where I live! So yes, we will have a good time. We can > discuss this trip off-list. > > I am glad that the country of Belgium is so excited. Here, there was > only a brief mention on the television news. But maybe you are > wondering why this event is so interesting to me. I will tell the whole > story now. > > I am an assistant science advisor to some school children who are > sending a project on the NASA space shuttle. Unfortunately, there is > some problem with the shuttle engines and they are all grounded; > otherwise the project would be flying in space right now. The children > decided to send some fluorescent minerals into space to see if the heat, > cold, and cosmic radiation would affect the fluorescence. I also loaned > them four of my own specimens. NASA has some very strict rules about > what can happen with these specimens after they return. They cannot be > sold or used to make a personal profit. For the past few months, I have > been trying to find some institutions I can trust, some places that will > take care of them properly. One piece will stay permanently at the > Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence, of course, but the other three > specimens will need a good home. Then, yesterday, I saw that they are > not even safe when stored by NASA itself. I became very angry and upset > that this had happened. On the other hand, I was filled with joy to see > in the same story that Axel & friends had helped return the stolen > items. Sadly, I have met some people in mineralogy who lie and steal, > and even hurt their friends in order to compete for the best specimens. > There must have been a temptation to acquire these extremely rare > pieces, and yet the Belgians did the honorable thing. Who knows, those > could have been some specimens of mine that were in the custody of NASA, > stolen from the shuttle cargo bay. That is why I have taken this > episode so personally. > > Paul, when you visit I will show you something else. I just spoke to > the curator on the phone. We are building a new wing to the Warren > Museum, the Hesselbacher Room. Since we know Axel has made > contributions to the study of fluorescent minerals, and the MKA was > generous in donating specimens when the museum was new, and also because > of this latest act of nobility: one of the new display cases will have a > small placard in honor of Axel Emmermann and the Mineralogical Society > of Antwerp, in gratitude for their assistance. > > Once again, thank you all. We will not forget. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/digest > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jul 25 10:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ( armando afonso) Date: Thu Jul 25 09:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks References: <3D3F789B.6BF5@Tomaszewski.net> <014401c233f5$17669c80$2c9e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <005001c233f5$7253e4e0$04000005@1> Not only Americans. Well done. AA-Portugal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > Dear Kreigh, > > I don't know what to say... > Making a few millions may be fun and life may be easier if you're rich... it > doesn't even begin to compare with the warm feeling I get from reading the > mails that keep pouring in from American citizens. > Who says there is no reward in being honest? > Thank you for your kind words! I'm moved and touched by the words of quite a > few Americans. > > Thank you again. > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbeplein 12 > 2640 Mortsel > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: > Cc: "Axel Emmermann" ; "Paul Van hee" > ; "Rik Dillen" ; > ; "Don H" ; "The Planetary > Society" ; > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:04 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > > > > Mr. Louis Parker, > > > > I am sure that as the JSC Exhibits Manager for NASA you are aware of the > > recent recovery of stolen moonrock specimens and the role Axel Emmermann > > played in their recovery. I have taken the liberty of attaching some > > correspondence about the incident that may have escaped your attention > > to remind you of the details. > > > > I suggest that as an appropriate gesture of thanks from NASA, the United > > States, scientists, and rockhounds worldwide, it would be appropriate to > > present Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical Society of Antwerp a small > > encased moonrock sample similar to those presented to other foreign > > dignitaries in the past. I have every reason to believe Axel and the > > Society could arrange for safe display of the specimen. > > > > Should this not be possible I encourage you to pursue arrangements for a > > temporary moonrock display with Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical > > Society of Antwerp. They deserve recognition for their efforts. I have > > copied them to assist you in this effort. > > > > Thank you for considering my suggestions and sharing same with other > > relevant decision makers. > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > 653 Burton S.E. > > Grand Rapids, MI 49507-3236 > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 15:16:17 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > id PAA14201 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ36dB013380; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:03:06 -0700 > > Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ2EdB013364 > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:02:15 -0700 > > Received: from dehtxcim3a42hi (80-200-14-169.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > [80.200.14.169]) > > by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > g6NJ2BH08111; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) > > (envelope-from ) > > Message-ID: <001201c2327b$73072710$a90ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> > > From: "Paul Van hee" > > To: "Rockhounds" > > Cc: "Axel Emmermann" > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen Moonrocks > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 > > > > To all, > > > > As you all may have seen there have been arrests in Florida for = > > 'illigetimate sell of "moonrocks"'. > > It all started around march-april this year when someone to put an add = > > to the "virtual quarry", part of the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp = > > (Belgium), with some information about moonrocks for sale. > > The add was initially not taken serious, until a member of our Club got = > > suspicious and informed the FBI. > > Some of us knew about the initial AD, but all the rest was done between = > > one member and the FBI. > > So to say, our member worked undecover for the FBI. > > After a short period it appeared for the FBI that all must have happened = > > within the NASA organisation, so they could not inform NASA. > > Wurtheron everything has been explained in the to-days newsflashes and = > > CNN news. > > This was for all of us a surprise. It is even a surprise that this could = > > have happened. > > > > As president of the Mineralogical Club of Antwerp I want to congratulate = > > our member for his vigilant and effective way to help the FBI in this = > > investigation. > > > > For those looking to our website, check the statistics, how come?? > > > > Regards, > > > > Paul Van hee > > MKA website: www.minerant.org > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > > Content-Length: 6571 > > > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 15:46:50 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > id PAA20003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 15:29:41 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJN2pi014625; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:23:02 -0700 > > Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJMHpi014611 > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:22:17 -0700 > > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > [80.200.13.148]) > > by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > g6NJM3819623 > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:22:03 +0200 (MET > DST) > > (envelope-from ) > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > To: "Rockhounds" > > Message-ID: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Importance: Normal > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Reply-To: > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 > > > > BlankHi all, > > > > Big news today for the web-page of the "Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen" > > (Mineralogical Society of Antwerp), owner of the well-known page "The > > Virtual Quarry"... so big that it reached todays CNN-web page and all > press > > agencies. > > > > A safe of 600 lbs, containing 113 grams of genuine moon rocks and many > > valuable objects and documents was stolen by 4 individuals, and has been > > retrieved with the intensive cooperation of one of our members and well > know > > "glowhound" (collector and photographer of fluorescent minerals). The > > thieves had placed an advertisement on "The Virtual Quarry" to sell > > "priceless genuine moon rocks". This fact was brought to the attention of > > the FBI by Axel, and two agents played the role of Axel and his wife. They > > made an appointment in Florida to meet the thieves, and were able to > arrest > > them and to retrieve all of the stolen items. The story was carefully kept > > secret here and in the USA (also by the webmaster, Axel and a few other > > persons who knew about the story) until today the news of the arrest came > > and the information ban was releaved by the FBI. Axel got a nice thank-you > > message today from the FBI, and is overwhelmed now by reporters and news > > agencies here. The original price they asked was 1000-5000 USD (or EUR) > per > > gram, and that price was even raised for the undercovered FBI-agents to > 8000 > > USD for all pieces of more than one gram. > > > > The FBI-agents told us the following : > > The samples Orb tried to sell us were genuine Apollo mission samples. The > > stolen material included samples from every mission that successfully > landed > > on the moon. Also in the safe stolen by Orb and his co-conspirators was > the > > ALH84001 meteorite (Background info here: > > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html). We recovered it also, along with > a > > number of scientific journals, notebooks, and other materials which had > been > > in the safe. > > > > You can read all of the story on different sites on the Internet today, > e.g. > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/23/stolen.moon.rocks.ap/index.html > > Four arrested for stealing moon rocks > > ... > > Undercover agents received an e-mail tip in May and started communicating > > with a person offering "priceless moon rocks" collected by Apollo > astronauts > > in 1969 and the early 1970s, FBI agent James Jarboe said. > > The ad was placed May 9 on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, > > Belgium, according to the criminal complaint filed Monday in federal court > > in Tampa. > > ... > > > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/space/1503835 > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-07-23-moon-rocks_x.htm > > > > This story will, of course, fill a whole issue of our monthly magazine > > "Geonieuws". Therefore some of you could do us a big favour by keeping > every > > possible journal article on this subject. Lateron we will contact everyone > > who can provide us with a copy, scan of genuine piece of information as it > > appears in the US journals. That would be nice for "A"'s article that will > > follow. If you have a piece of information available, please let me know > at > > rik.dillen@skynet.be. Thanks !! > > > > Thank you very much for your courtesy. We will keep you informed if there > is > > any further significant evolution in this case. > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... > see > > you again next year ! > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > > Content-Length: 3903 > > > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 15:47:04 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > id PAA26277 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJQ7pi014944; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:26:07 -0700 > > Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJPspi014914 > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:55 -0700 > > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > [80.200.13.148]) > > by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > g6NJPi825146; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) > > (envelope-from ) > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > To: "Rockhounds" > > Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" , > > "Van hee, Paul \(MKA\)" > > Message-ID: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Importance: Normal > > X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Reply-To: > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 > > > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > > > Greetings, > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... > see > > you again next year ! > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > > Content-Length: 3237 > > > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 16:19:15 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by zealous.cnchost.com > > id QAA06003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK22pi017071; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:02:02 -0700 > > Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net > [204.127.131.47]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK1rpi017061 > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:01:53 -0700 > > Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) > > by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net > > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP > > id > <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > t> > > for ; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:48 +0000 > > Received: from [20.7.252.216] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > From: morningstar@att.net > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) > > Message-Id: > <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > t> > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > > > > > Goede Dag! > > > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > > there are still people of high moral standards in the > > world of minerals. > > > > Dank U well, > > > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > > Content-Length: 4701 > > > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 16:49:16 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by zealous.cnchost.com > > id QAA00678 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKJ6Ej018133; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:19:06 -0700 > > Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKIjEj018119 > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:45 -0700 > > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > [80.200.13.148]) > > by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > g6NKIZH21312; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) > > (envelope-from ) > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > To: > > Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > Message-ID: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > In-Reply-To: > <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > t> > > Importance: Normal > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Reply-To: > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 > > > > Thanks for your kind words (they are especially valuable to Axel, who did > > the job, and at this very moment is sitting at home with his leg in a > > plaster... but the cause of that is not that he got a moon rock on his > leg). > > The problem is not so much that one would have looked the other way. The > > original e-mail message (that I got as well) was so stupid, naive and > > unbelievable that it was comparable to the type of junk that African > > criminal organisations are spilling all over the world (you know... the > > opportunity to help someone smuggling billions of dollars out of his > > country, of kilograms of first class diamonds in exchange for a share of > 30 > > % or so etc...) that anyone (including myself) would have deleted it as > junk > > mail from someone with too much fantasy in his head. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > > morningstar@att.net > > Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > > ! > > > > > > > > Goede Dag! > > > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > > there are still people of high moral standards in the > > world of minerals. > > > > Dank U well, > > > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > > Content-Length: 4032 > > > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 19:21:15 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by hood.cnchost.com > > id TAA28421 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > 19:20:55 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNG3Hd028753; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0700 > > Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNFXHd028743; > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:15:33 -0700 > > Received: from [64.1.93.36] (w036.z064001093.grr-mi.dsl.cnc.net > [64.1.93.36]) > > by rodney.cnchost.com > > id TAA10967; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:15:34 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] > > Message-ID: <3D3DE394.4D98@Tomaszewski.net> > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > Organization: Postmaster/Webmaster for Tomaszewski.net > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > > References: > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 > > > > If you would like to obtain a moon rock legally you can go to > > http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/reqinfo.htm > > for details on submitting a request. > > > > > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: > > > > > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > > > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > > > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > > > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > Belgium > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... > see > > > you again next year ! > > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 > 21:00:49 -0400 > > Return-Path: > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > [216.162.192.19]) > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > id UAA23708 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 > 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0p32X024925; > > Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:03 -0700 > > Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net > [204.127.131.48]) > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0oX2X024909 > > for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:50:33 -0700 > > Received: from att.net ([12.94.166.214]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net > > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP > > id <20020725005027.FMBH5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> > > for ; > > Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:50:27 +0000 > > Message-ID: <3D3F4B68.4E4A2652@att.net> > > From: Don H > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) > > X-Accept-Language: en > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > References: > <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > t> <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > X-Reply-To: morningstar@att.net > > List-Help: > > List-Post: > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > > List-Archive: > > X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 > > > > Paul Van hee wrote: > > > > > > I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of the > > > Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? > > > I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we > do it > > > over here !! (:-)))) > > > > > > Paul, Axel, & friends, > > > > New Jersey is where I live! So yes, we will have a good time. We can > > discuss this trip off-list. > > > > I am glad that the country of Belgium is so excited. Here, there was > > only a brief mention on the television news. But maybe you are > > wondering why this event is so interesting to me. I will tell the whole > > story now. > > > > I am an assistant science advisor to some school children who are > > sending a project on the NASA space shuttle. Unfortunately, there is > > some problem with the shuttle engines and they are all grounded; > > otherwise the project would be flying in space right now. The children > > decided to send some fluorescent minerals into space to see if the heat, > > cold, and cosmic radiation would affect the fluorescence. I also loaned > > them four of my own specimens. NASA has some very strict rules about > > what can happen with these specimens after they return. They cannot be > > sold or used to make a personal profit. For the past few months, I have > > been trying to find some institutions I can trust, some places that will > > take care of them properly. One piece will stay permanently at the > > Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence, of course, but the other three > > specimens will need a good home. Then, yesterday, I saw that they are > > not even safe when stored by NASA itself. I became very angry and upset > > that this had happened. On the other hand, I was filled with joy to see > > in the same story that Axel & friends had helped return the stolen > > items. Sadly, I have met some people in mineralogy who lie and steal, > > and even hurt their friends in order to compete for the best specimens. > > There must have been a temptation to acquire these extremely rare > > pieces, and yet the Belgians did the honorable thing. Who knows, those > > could have been some specimens of mine that were in the custody of NASA, > > stolen from the shuttle cargo bay. That is why I have taken this > > episode so personally. > > > > Paul, when you visit I will show you something else. I just spoke to > > the curator on the phone. We are building a new wing to the Warren > > Museum, the Hesselbacher Room. Since we know Axel has made > > contributions to the study of fluorescent minerals, and the MKA was > > generous in donating specimens when the museum was new, and also because > > of this latest act of nobility: one of the new display cases will have a > > small placard in honor of Axel Emmermann and the Mineralogical Society > > of Antwerp, in gratitude for their assistance. > > > > Once again, thank you all. We will not forget. > > > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/digest > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 01:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Fri Jul 26 00:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite Message-ID: <000d01c23479$23025dc0$012707d8@joe> I have a piece that I think is molybdenite...........if someone would = care to verify this I can send a couple of good pics. Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 02:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jul 26 01:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: <000d01c23479$23025dc0$012707d8@joe> Message-ID: <002e01c2347f$4fbd6b60$a49e77d5@pandora.be> Just send the pics Clay I'll have a look BTW normally, molybeniet should leave a stain if you put it on a paper for a while... I think Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayandkip" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite I have a piece that I think is molybdenite...........if someone would care to verify this I can send a couple of good pics. Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 06:01:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 05:01:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite Message-ID: <20020726120039.ZIZM12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> You can send me some pics, please make sure to respond to my address and not the rockhounds list. However, I know that molybdenite can be difficult to sight-ID. It can be mistaken for graphite; I recently went through the same problem and even got the piece SEMed (because it would have been a new locality for molybdenite), and was embarrassed to find the piece was plain old tabular graphite. Apparently the color and luster and different between the two, but I'm bad at differentiating subtle differences by sight. The streak test should help; however I am at work now and can't look up the streak color. Clay, do you have Petersen's Field Guide? It was written by Dr. Fred Pugh and in my analysis, it is an underrated and excellent book. People will tell you to buy any number of books but I never heard any one specifically tell me to get that one; I must recommend it heartily. Dr. Pough's voice shines through in the narrative, his approach to mineral collecting is philosophical as well as technical (which may be why I like him so much), and except for a few tiny mistakes it it quite well produced. For the money, it is an excellent book for beginner and intermediate collector alike; and for modern scientists who think SEM and XRD are the answer to everything, they might learn a thing or two as well. If you would like more info let me know and I will provide it tonight. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 09:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jul 26 08:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" Message-ID: <003001c234b9$7d026be0$a49e77d5@pandora.be> Hello fellow rockhounds, I got the articles about the stolen moonrocks and their retrieval from = the two reporters that interviewed me over the telephone. They were kind = enough to e-mail me a copy. Naturally, I would love to have those two newspapers as a memento of = what happened these past few days. Is there any good soul who wants to mail me a copy of ; The Orlando Sentinel July 25th The Houston Chronicle July 25th Thank you in advance. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: = axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: = http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: = http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: = http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 09:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 08:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" Message-ID: <20020726155656.OBZP4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Axel, My personal thank you for the integrity you show to be alive and well. Have you tried to access the web sites of these newspapers? I know you will receive copies from those living in the areas. Do a web search for the individual newspapers, you may be pleasantly surprised. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 10:15:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 09:15:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" Message-ID: <20020726161404.TTU5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> For example: http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/space/index.html You need to scroll down. Axel's photo is there. Don > Axel, > My personal thank you for the integrity you show to be > alive and well. > > Have you tried to access the web sites of these > newspapers? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 10:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 09:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" Message-ID: <20020726163128.SSZH29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Don, This press release headline and story deserve to be part of every BLM and other Land decision meetings, to emphasize the honesty and integrity of most collectors wanting more open access to the lands we are so rapidly losing. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 10:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jul 26 09:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" References: <20020726155656.OBZP4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <001401c234c2$ac9f0e40$a49e77d5@pandora.be> Thanks Teresa and it was my pleasure, don't think too much of it... and this is for all the other rockhounders that sent me those friendly mails: I have to confess something to you all... while reading those beautifull "thank you" e-mails I started noticing that the word "hero" occurs in the much too frequently. I'm not, absolutely not, a hero and I can prove it... 1) I don't have a cape 2) I can't fly or run at MACH2 3) Those of you that saw my picture in the papers or on a newssite KNOW that I look ridiculous in tights But still thank you all for making me feel good. On the other hand... "It's a bird... it's a plane... it's... EMMERMANN" doesn't sound half bad ;-P)))))))))))))))))))) Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" > Axel, > My personal thank you for the integrity you show to be > alive and well. > > Have you tried to access the web sites of these > newspapers? > > I know you will receive copies from those living in the > areas. Do a web search for the individual newspapers, > you may be pleasantly surprised. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 10:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 09:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" Message-ID: <20020726165220.BVUM5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> See, I thought the light shining off your head was a special super power. Well, as I wrote to Mark Carreau of the Houston Chronicle, there are many types of hero. Since September, we have heard that word often. Many people risked their lives that day; these are one kind who sacrifice themselves for others. There are also moral heroes, those who face difficult choices of conscience and make courageous ethical decisions for no other reason than it was the right thing to do. The moral heroes set the example for the rest of us and shine a little light on our souls. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 11:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 10:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" Message-ID: <20020726173001.KIIH3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Dear Clark Axel Kent Love the chubby cheeks, love the sense of humor, love the fact that you make me proud to be a Rockhound. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 11:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jul 26 10:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" References: <20020726165220.BVUM5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <006101c234cb$aabccaa0$a49e77d5@pandora.be> > See, I thought the light shining off your head was a > special super power. I stand corrected. Oh well... if you must. I confess... The Shining... that was me (Eat this Jack Nicholson). > Well, as I wrote to Mark Carreau of the Houston > Chronicle, there are many types of hero. Since > September, we have heard that word often. Many people > risked their lives that day; these are one kind who > sacrifice themselves for others. There are also moral > heroes, those who face difficult choices of conscience > and make courageous ethical decisions for no other > reason than it was the right thing to do. The moral > heroes set the example for the rest of us and shine a > little light on our souls. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 15:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Fri Jul 26 14:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know what's going on at the ORCHID list? There's been only silence for two days now, no explanations, nothing...no posts whatever.... Cheers Hans Durstling Moncton Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 16:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Terri Collier) Date: Fri Jul 26 15:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? References: Message-ID: <001601c234f6$edd5b4c0$7dd0fea9@concentric.net> I'm not sure, I've not received mail from the group either. Terri Collier Dallas, TX scollier@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "H.Durstling" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? > Hi all, > > Does anyone know what's going on at the ORCHID list? There's been only > silence for two days now, no explanations, nothing...no posts whatever.... > > > Cheers > Hans Durstling > Moncton > Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 17:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jul 26 16:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: <000d01c23479$23025dc0$012707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D41D8A3.36AE@Tomaszewski.net> hardness 1 - 1.5. gravity 4.7 - 4.8. gray streak on paper. greasy feel. Under oxidizing flame it gives sulphur fumes on charcoal and colorful coatings around the assay (red near, yellow, to white farther away -- white coating touched by reducing flame turns azure). A violet color is often seen between divided cleavage flakes. clayandkip wrote: > > I have a piece that I think is molybdenite...........if someone would care to verify this I can send a couple of good pics. > > Clay > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jul 26 22:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jul 26 21:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? Message-ID: <20020727040514.XSSR29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Hanuman is taking a bit of a break, an excursion is what he told Rocio a few days ago. He will return Monday. Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 27 00:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Fri Jul 26 23:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: <000d01c23479$23025dc0$012707d8@joe> <3D41D8A3.36AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001801c23536$99374ec0$302707d8@joe> Its graphite.....thanks for your help. CLAY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] molybdenite > hardness 1 - 1.5. gravity 4.7 - 4.8. gray streak on paper. greasy feel. > Under oxidizing flame it gives sulphur fumes on charcoal and colorful > coatings around the assay (red near, yellow, to white farther away -- > white coating touched by reducing flame turns azure). A violet color is > often seen between divided cleavage flakes. > > clayandkip wrote: > > > > I have a piece that I think is molybdenite...........if someone would care to verify this I can send a couple of good pics. > > > > Clay > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 27 03:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jul 27 02:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" References: <20020726173001.KIIH3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <006501c2354d$8e2f1780$90aa77d5@pandora.be> Hey, that's sweet Teresa... I think I 'm going to frame this one! Now I have something that is very rare indeed: rockhound poetry. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Rockhounds] From "the Belgian" > Dear Clark Axel Kent > Love the chubby cheeks, > love the sense of humor, > love the fact that you make me proud to be a > Rockhound. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 27 09:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jul 27 08:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: <000d01c23479$23025dc0$012707d8@joe> <3D41D8A3.36AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <010e01c23585$04b839e0$90aa77d5@pandora.be> The greasy feel is actually more than just a feel. Both are used a lubricants. Graphite as is or in a suspention for high temperature lubrication, molybdenite as an anti-grip paste or spray for screws. The latter is often know as "Molycote". Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] molybdenite > hardness 1 - 1.5. gravity 4.7 - 4.8. gray streak on paper. greasy feel. > Under oxidizing flame it gives sulphur fumes on charcoal and colorful > coatings around the assay (red near, yellow, to white farther away -- > white coating touched by reducing flame turns azure). A violet color is > often seen between divided cleavage flakes. > > clayandkip wrote: > > > > I have a piece that I think is molybdenite...........if someone would care to verify this I can send a couple of good pics. > > > > Clay > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jul 27 16:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Jul 27 15:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? References: <001601c234f6$edd5b4c0$7dd0fea9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001b01c235b7$6998bce0$bc1dbed8@powertech.net> Nor have I. Perhaps he is taking a vacation. --?? Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Collier" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? > I'm not sure, I've not received mail from the group either. > > Terri Collier > Dallas, TX > scollier@sbcglobal.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H.Durstling" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:34 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Is The Orchid List Down? > > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know what's going on at the ORCHID list? There's been only > > silence for two days now, no explanations, nothing...no posts whatever.... > > > > > > Cheers > > Hans Durstling > > Moncton > > Canada > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 28 06:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jul 28 05:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trapped miners rescued Message-ID: <3D43E8D8.CAC7BE31@att.net> I don't know if the rest of the world has been following this story, but it's big news here in the Philadelphia area. Nine coal miners were trapped in a flood for several days, and I just got out of bed this morning and found that they rescued them all. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=716&e=3&u=/ap/20020728/ap_on_re_us/mine_accident Even though this isn't really on topic (though you can find both rocks and fossils in coal mines!), these are the people whose profession is closely allied with our hobby and we should keep them in our thoughts and prayers. And since the accident happened because they drilled into an abandoned, mismarked, flooded shaft, we can use this opportunity to remind ourselves to take care when exploring old areas in pursuit of specimens. Don -- Join the /"\ ASCII Ribbon \ / Campaign against x HTML e-mail / \ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 28 08:40:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Jul 28 07:40:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trapped miners rescued In-Reply-To: <3D43E8D8.CAC7BE31@att.net> Message-ID: Yes, Don, it was headline news here in Europe too. Thanks for the link Regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H Sent: 28 July, 2002 2:52 PM To: R&F; rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] trapped miners rescued I don't know if the rest of the world has been following this story, but it's big news here in the Philadelphia area. Nine coal miners were trapped in a flood for several days, and I just got out of bed this morning and found that they rescued them all. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=716&e=3&u=/ap/20020728/ap_on_re_ us/mine_accident Even though this isn't really on topic (though you can find both rocks and fossils in coal mines!), these are the people whose profession is closely allied with our hobby and we should keep them in our thoughts and prayers. And since the accident happened because they drilled into an abandoned, mismarked, flooded shaft, we can use this opportunity to remind ourselves to take care when exploring old areas in pursuit of specimens. Don -- Join the /"\ ASCII Ribbon \ / Campaign against x HTML e-mail / \ _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 28 15:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jul 28 14:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] anyone want topo maps of NH and NB? Message-ID: <20020725185901.BIJV5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi to the Rockhounds list, I'm (again) sending a message not from my "home" computer and email provider, while on vacation, so this may take a day or to to be posted, until the moderator can approve & forward it. I'm helping my mother in New Hampshire (Somersworth, near Dover & Portsmouth in southeastern NH) get rid of some unwanted things that were my fathers, and we have several batches of old topo maps (that he mainly had for planning fishing trips; Dad wasn't a rockhound). Would anyone be interested in (1) about 40, mostly 15- quadrangle maps, of various places in New Hampshire; and (2)some number (a fair stack; at least 50, perhaps as many as 100) assorted topographic maps of New Brunswick, Canada? I haven't checked the NB maps carefully to see what scales these maps are; I think they are mostly or all of the southern part of New Brunswick. (I'll check this in the meantime.) If you are interested, please email me at pjmodreski@att.net It may take a couple of weeks for me to reply, as I'll be in NH for a few more days, and then away at a workshop for another week. My Mom's not especially interested in getting any (or very much) money for them, mostly I thought someone might like to have them whereas they might otherwise just end up being thrown out. Probably the biggest logistic problem would be how to get them to someone--kind of bulky to mail, so if someone were ever passing through this area and could pick them up in person, that would be perfect. There's no rush on disposing of these--if I don't hear from anyone, I may just wait until (next summer?) when I'm out here again. Sincerely, Pete Modreski (normally from Denver, CO) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 28 15:55:16 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jul 28 14:55:16 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks References: <3D3F789B.6BF5@Tomaszewski.net> <014401c233f5$17669c80$2c9e77d5@pandora.be> <005001c233f5$7253e4e0$04000005@1> Message-ID: <024d01c2340e$cfcb7840$2c9e77d5@pandora.be> Wow... thanks Armando! Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: " armando afonso" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > > > Not only Americans. Well done. > > AA-Portugal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > > > > Dear Kreigh, > > > > I don't know what to say... > > Making a few millions may be fun and life may be easier if you're rich... > it > > doesn't even begin to compare with the warm feeling I get from reading the > > mails that keep pouring in from American citizens. > > Who says there is no reward in being honest? > > Thank you for your kind words! I'm moved and touched by the words of quite > a > > few Americans. > > > > Thank you again. > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbeplein 12 > > 2640 Mortsel > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > To: > > Cc: "Axel Emmermann" ; "Paul Van hee" > > ; "Rik Dillen" ; > > ; "Don H" ; "The Planetary > > Society" ; > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:04 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Stolen Moonrocks > > > > > > > Mr. Louis Parker, > > > > > > I am sure that as the JSC Exhibits Manager for NASA you are aware of the > > > recent recovery of stolen moonrock specimens and the role Axel Emmermann > > > played in their recovery. I have taken the liberty of attaching some > > > correspondence about the incident that may have escaped your attention > > > to remind you of the details. > > > > > > I suggest that as an appropriate gesture of thanks from NASA, the United > > > States, scientists, and rockhounds worldwide, it would be appropriate to > > > present Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical Society of Antwerp a small > > > encased moonrock sample similar to those presented to other foreign > > > dignitaries in the past. I have every reason to believe Axel and the > > > Society could arrange for safe display of the specimen. > > > > > > Should this not be possible I encourage you to pursue arrangements for a > > > temporary moonrock display with Axel Emmermann and The Mineralogical > > > Society of Antwerp. They deserve recognition for their efforts. I have > > > copied them to assist you in this effort. > > > > > > Thank you for considering my suggestions and sharing same with other > > > relevant decision makers. > > > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > 653 Burton S.E. > > > Grand Rapids, MI 49507-3236 > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 15:16:17 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > > id PAA14201 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ36dB013380; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:03:06 -0700 > > > Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJ2EdB013364 > > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:02:15 -0700 > > > Received: from dehtxcim3a42hi (80-200-14-169.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > > [80.200.14.169]) > > > by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > > g6NJ2BH08111; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) > > > (envelope-from ) > > > Message-ID: <001201c2327b$73072710$a90ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> > > > From: "Paul Van hee" > > > To: "Rockhounds" > > > Cc: "Axel Emmermann" > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > > X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen Moonrocks > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:02:10 +0200 > > > > > > To all, > > > > > > As you all may have seen there have been arrests in Florida for = > > > 'illigetimate sell of "moonrocks"'. > > > It all started around march-april this year when someone to put an add = > > > to the "virtual quarry", part of the Mineralogical Society of Antwerp = > > > (Belgium), with some information about moonrocks for sale. > > > The add was initially not taken serious, until a member of our Club got > = > > > suspicious and informed the FBI. > > > Some of us knew about the initial AD, but all the rest was done between > = > > > one member and the FBI. > > > So to say, our member worked undecover for the FBI. > > > After a short period it appeared for the FBI that all must have happened > = > > > within the NASA organisation, so they could not inform NASA. > > > Wurtheron everything has been explained in the to-days newsflashes and = > > > CNN news. > > > This was for all of us a surprise. It is even a surprise that this could > = > > > have happened. > > > > > > As president of the Mineralogical Club of Antwerp I want to congratulate > = > > > our member for his vigilant and effective way to help the FBI in this = > > > investigation. > > > > > > For those looking to our website, check the statistics, how come?? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Paul Van hee > > > MKA website: www.minerant.org > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > > > Content-Length: 6571 > > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 15:46:50 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > > id PAA20003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 15:29:41 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJN2pi014625; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:23:02 -0700 > > > Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJMHpi014611 > > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:22:17 -0700 > > > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > > [80.200.13.148]) > > > by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > > g6NJM3819623 > > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:22:03 +0200 (MET > > DST) > > > (envelope-from ) > > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > > To: "Rockhounds" > > > Message-ID: > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > > Importance: Normal > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller ! > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Reply-To: > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:26:31 +0200 > > > > > > BlankHi all, > > > > > > Big news today for the web-page of the "Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen" > > > (Mineralogical Society of Antwerp), owner of the well-known page "The > > > Virtual Quarry"... so big that it reached todays CNN-web page and all > > press > > > agencies. > > > > > > A safe of 600 lbs, containing 113 grams of genuine moon rocks and many > > > valuable objects and documents was stolen by 4 individuals, and has been > > > retrieved with the intensive cooperation of one of our members and well > > know > > > "glowhound" (collector and photographer of fluorescent minerals). The > > > thieves had placed an advertisement on "The Virtual Quarry" to sell > > > "priceless genuine moon rocks". This fact was brought to the attention > of > > > the FBI by Axel, and two agents played the role of Axel and his wife. > They > > > made an appointment in Florida to meet the thieves, and were able to > > arrest > > > them and to retrieve all of the stolen items. The story was carefully > kept > > > secret here and in the USA (also by the webmaster, Axel and a few other > > > persons who knew about the story) until today the news of the arrest > came > > > and the information ban was releaved by the FBI. Axel got a nice > thank-you > > > message today from the FBI, and is overwhelmed now by reporters and news > > > agencies here. The original price they asked was 1000-5000 USD (or EUR) > > per > > > gram, and that price was even raised for the undercovered FBI-agents to > > 8000 > > > USD for all pieces of more than one gram. > > > > > > The FBI-agents told us the following : > > > The samples Orb tried to sell us were genuine Apollo mission samples. > The > > > stolen material included samples from every mission that successfully > > landed > > > on the moon. Also in the safe stolen by Orb and his co-conspirators was > > the > > > ALH84001 meteorite (Background info here: > > > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html). We recovered it also, along > with > > a > > > number of scientific journals, notebooks, and other materials which had > > been > > > in the safe. > > > > > > You can read all of the story on different sites on the Internet today, > > e.g. > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/23/stolen.moon.rocks.ap/index.html > > > Four arrested for stealing moon rocks > > > ... > > > Undercover agents received an e-mail tip in May and started > communicating > > > with a person offering "priceless moon rocks" collected by Apollo > > astronauts > > > in 1969 and the early 1970s, FBI agent James Jarboe said. > > > The ad was placed May 9 on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of > Antwerp, > > > Belgium, according to the criminal complaint filed Monday in federal > court > > > in Tampa. > > > ... > > > > > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/space/1503835 > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-07-23-moon-rocks_x.htm > > > > > > This story will, of course, fill a whole issue of our monthly magazine > > > "Geonieuws". Therefore some of you could do us a big favour by keeping > > every > > > possible journal article on this subject. Lateron we will contact > everyone > > > who can provide us with a copy, scan of genuine piece of information as > it > > > appears in the US journals. That would be nice for "A"'s article that > will > > > follow. If you have a piece of information available, please let me know > > at > > > rik.dillen@skynet.be. Thanks !! > > > > > > Thank you very much for your courtesy. We will keep you informed if > there > > is > > > any further significant evolution in this case. > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > Belgium > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... > > see > > > you again next year ! > > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > > > Content-Length: 3903 > > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 15:47:04 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > > id PAA26277 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJQ7pi014944; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:26:07 -0700 > > > Received: from excalibur.skynet.be (excalibur.skynet.be [195.238.3.90]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NJPspi014914 > > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:55 -0700 > > > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > > [80.200.13.148]) > > > by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > > g6NJPi825146; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) > > > (envelope-from ) > > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > > To: "Rockhounds" > > > Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" , > > > "Van hee, Paul \(MKA\)" > > > Message-ID: > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > > Importance: Normal > > > X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Reply-To: > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:30:11 +0200 > > > > > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the story > > > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > > > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > > > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > Belgium > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... > > see > > > you again next year ! > > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > > > Content-Length: 3237 > > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 16:19:15 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by zealous.cnchost.com > > > id QAA06003 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK22pi017071; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:02:02 -0700 > > > Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net > > [204.127.131.47]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NK1rpi017061 > > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:01:53 -0700 > > > Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) > > > by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net > > > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP > > > id > > > <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > > t> > > > for ; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:48 +0000 > > > Received: from [20.7.252.216] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > > From: morningstar@att.net > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > ! > > > X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) > > > Message-Id: > > > <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > > t> > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:47 +0000 > > > > > > > > > Goede Dag! > > > > > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > > > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > > > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > > > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > > > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > > > > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > > > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > > > there are still people of high moral standards in the > > > world of minerals. > > > > > > Dank U well, > > > > > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > > > Content-Length: 4701 > > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 16:49:16 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by zealous.cnchost.com > > > id QAA00678 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKJ6Ej018133; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:19:06 -0700 > > > Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NKIjEj018119 > > > for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:45 -0700 > > > Received: from skynet (80-200-13-148.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be > > [80.200.13.148]) > > > by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id > > g6NKIZH21312; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) > > > (envelope-from ) > > > From: "Rik Dillen" > > > To: > > > Cc: "Emmermann, Axel \(MKA\)" > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > ! > > > Message-ID: > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > > In-Reply-To: > > > <20020723200148.PPOF15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > > t> > > > Importance: Normal > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Reply-To: > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:23:02 +0200 > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words (they are especially valuable to Axel, who > did > > > the job, and at this very moment is sitting at home with his leg in a > > > plaster... but the cause of that is not that he got a moon rock on his > > leg). > > > The problem is not so much that one would have looked the other way. The > > > original e-mail message (that I got as well) was so stupid, naive and > > > unbelievable that it was comparable to the type of junk that African > > > criminal organisations are spilling all over the world (you know... the > > > opportunity to help someone smuggling billions of dollars out of his > > > country, of kilograms of first class diamonds in exchange for a share of > > 30 > > > % or so etc...) that anyone (including myself) would have deleted it as > > junk > > > mail from someone with too much fantasy in his head. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > > > morningstar@att.net > > > Sent: 23 July, 2002 10:02 PM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Goede Dag! > > > > > > Congratulations to everyone in Belgium who helped stop > > > this crime. Those items are the property of the people > > > of the United States, and as a citizen I thank you. If > > > any of you are ever in the States, I will buy you some > > > dinner and some good beer or wine. > > > > > > Men of lesser character and conscience would have simply > > > looked the other way. It lifts my heart to know that > > > there are still people of high moral standards in the > > > world of minerals. > > > > > > Dank U well, > > > > > > Don J. Halterman, Jr. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > > > Content-Length: 4032 > > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 19:21:15 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by hood.cnchost.com > > > id TAA28421 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 > > 19:20:55 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNG3Hd028753; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0700 > > > Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net > [207.155.252.4]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6NNFXHd028743; > > > Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:15:33 -0700 > > > Received: from [64.1.93.36] (w036.z064001093.grr-mi.dsl.cnc.net > > [64.1.93.36]) > > > by rodney.cnchost.com > > > id TAA10967; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:15:34 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] > > > Message-ID: <3D3DE394.4D98@Tomaszewski.net> > > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > Organization: Postmaster/Webmaster for Tomaszewski.net > > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks II > > > References: > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 > > > > > > If you would like to obtain a moon rock legally you can go to > > > http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/samreq/reqinfo.htm > > > for details on submitting a request. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: > > > > > > > > BlankSorry, Paul and I have sent each their interpretation of the > story > > > > almost simultaneously. There was no time for good appointments. > > > > Anyway, just read the two stories... they are complementary. > > > > Have fun... and don't "collect" moon rocks... They would catch you... > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > > Belgium > > > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and > more) > > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp > ! > > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > > > MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big > success... > > see > > > > you again next year ! > > > > 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > multipart/alternative > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > text/html > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by mail.home.tomaszewski.net > > > with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 > > 21:00:49 -0400 > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com > > [216.162.192.19]) > > > by dauntless.cnchost.com > > > id UAA23708 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 > > 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) > > > [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.30] > > > Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain > [127.0.0.1]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0p32X024925; > > > Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:03 -0700 > > > Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net > > [204.127.131.48]) > > > by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6P0oX2X024909 > > > for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:50:33 -0700 > > > Received: from att.net ([12.94.166.214]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net > > > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP > > > id > <20020725005027.FMBH5835.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> > > > for ; > > > Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:50:27 +0000 > > > Message-ID: <3D3F4B68.4E4A2652@att.net> > > > From: Don H > > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) > > > X-Accept-Language: en > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moon rocks stolen and retrieved... a thriller > ! > > > References: > > > <20020724181759.UORY12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.ne > > t> <003b01c23346$464835e0$080ec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > > Precedence: bulk > > > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > X-Reply-To: morningstar@att.net > > > List-Help: > > > List-Post: > > > List-Subscribe: , > > > > > > List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 > > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0400 > > > > > > Paul Van hee wrote: > > > > > > > > I might come to the US end of the year (:Paul Van hee -President of > the > > > > Antwerp Mineralogical Society) : NJ is that NE enough? > > > > I'll think of Axel with great respect drinking that beer, just like we > > do it > > > > over here !! (:-)))) > > > > > > > > > Paul, Axel, & friends, > > > > > > New Jersey is where I live! So yes, we will have a good time. We can > > > discuss this trip off-list. > > > > > > I am glad that the country of Belgium is so excited. Here, there was > > > only a brief mention on the television news. But maybe you are > > > wondering why this event is so interesting to me. I will tell the whole > > > story now. > > > > > > I am an assistant science advisor to some school children who are > > > sending a project on the NASA space shuttle. Unfortunately, there is > > > some problem with the shuttle engines and they are all grounded; > > > otherwise the project would be flying in space right now. The children > > > decided to send some fluorescent minerals into space to see if the heat, > > > cold, and cosmic radiation would affect the fluorescence. I also loaned > > > them four of my own specimens. NASA has some very strict rules about > > > what can happen with these specimens after they return. They cannot be > > > sold or used to make a personal profit. For the past few months, I have > > > been trying to find some institutions I can trust, some places that will > > > take care of them properly. One piece will stay permanently at the > > > Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence, of course, but the other three > > > specimens will need a good home. Then, yesterday, I saw that they are > > > not even safe when stored by NASA itself. I became very angry and upset > > > that this had happened. On the other hand, I was filled with joy to see > > > in the same story that Axel & friends had helped return the stolen > > > items. Sadly, I have met some people in mineralogy who lie and steal, > > > and even hurt their friends in order to compete for the best specimens. > > > There must have been a temptation to acquire these extremely rare > > > pieces, and yet the Belgians did the honorable thing. Who knows, those > > > could have been some specimens of mine that were in the custody of NASA, > > > stolen from the shuttle cargo bay. That is why I have taken this > > > episode so personally. > > > > > > Paul, when you visit I will show you something else. I just spoke to > > > the curator on the phone. We are building a new wing to the Warren > > > Museum, the Hesselbacher Room. Since we know Axel has made > > > contributions to the study of fluorescent minerals, and the MKA was > > > generous in donating specimens when the museum was new, and also because > > > of this latest act of nobility: one of the new display cases will have a > > > small placard in honor of Axel Emmermann and the Mineralogical Society > > > of Antwerp, in gratitude for their assistance. > > > > > > Once again, thank you all. We will not forget. > > > > > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/digest > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 28 19:10:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jul 28 18:10:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trapped miners rescued In-Reply-To: <3D43E8D8.CAC7BE31@att.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020728150206.02740ae0@mail.aloha.net> Bill and I just got back this morning from a month in Australia, where every morning newspaper and every evening news on the "telly" gave close attention to the Pennsylvania rescue efforts since the disaster began. Everywhere we went the last few days Aussies have expressed deep concern for the miners as soon as they found we were Yanks. We left before the rescue was announced, but I'm sure they are celebrating in Broken Hill and many other parts of that mining-rich country. Our rockhound report from Australia will be coming soon. Aloha, Kitty At 08:51 AM 7/28/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know if the rest of the world has been following this story, but >it's big news here in the Philadelphia area. Nine coal miners were >trapped in a flood for several days, and I just got out of bed this >morning and found that they rescued them all. > >Even though this isn't really on topic (though you can find both rocks >and fossils in coal mines!), these are the people whose profession is >closely allied with our hobby and we should keep them in our thoughts >and prayers. And since the accident happened because they drilled into >an abandoned, mismarked, flooded shaft, we can use this opportunity to >remind ourselves to take care when exploring old areas in pursuit of >specimens. > >Don > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jul 28 23:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sun Jul 28 22:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Buena Vista Museum Newsletter Message-ID: Buena Vista Museum of Natural History - Newsletter Highlights: Paleoworkshop Junior Paleo Workshop Summer Science Camps BLM/BVMNH 2002 field trips: Tumey Hills, near Coalinga ChemMystery To Leave Museum In AUGUST Read all about it at: http://www.sharktoothhill.com/july_2002_sharkbites.html Sherry Pauley webmaster@sharktoothhill.com www.sharktoothhill.com The Museum is available for meetings and events! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 12:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Jul 29 11:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] orlymanite from N'Chwaning? References: <96.2969d5c8.2a6629a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c2372b$5c0be500$8005efd1@oemcomputer> Orlymanite was first found at South Africa's Wessels Mine, and described on the basis of a single specimen. The literature available to me, including two recent books on the SA Mn fields, mentions no other locality for orlymanite, yet I have a specimen of orlymanite from the Joe Cilen collection, with a Cureton's label, stating it's from the N'Chwaning Mine. Can anybody confirm what would have to be fairly recent finds of orlymanite from N'Chwaning I or II, or does the Wessels Mine remain the only locality? Many thanks for any assistance! Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 12:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Jul 29 11:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] orlymanite from N'Chwaning? In-Reply-To: <000401c2372b$5c0be500$8005efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi Tim, The two specimens in my collection come also from the Wessels mine. I got them from a person who has visited the region several times, and knows it very well. I don't have any information on orlymanite from the N'Chwaning mine(s) either. Greetings, Rik Dillen -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Jokela Sent: 29 July, 2002 8:11 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] orlymanite from N'Chwaning? Orlymanite was first found at South Africa's Wessels Mine, and described on the basis of a single specimen. The literature available to me, including two recent books on the SA Mn fields, mentions no other locality for orlymanite, yet I have a specimen of orlymanite from the Joe Cilen collection, with a Cureton's label, stating it's from the N'Chwaning Mine. Can anybody confirm what would have to be fairly recent finds of orlymanite from N'Chwaning I or II, or does the Wessels Mine remain the only locality? Many thanks for any assistance! Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 15:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Mon Jul 29 14:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay Amethyst In-Reply-To: <004801c22f40$20ce5240$59f27f50@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: It's been a couple of years, but the boys & I are heading up to Thunder Bay. What's good up there these days? I used to collect at the Diamond Willow, but I'm always open to suggestions! Gary Check out: www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Check out the monthly FREE DOWNLOAD! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 15:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo) Date: Mon Jul 29 14:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay Amethyst References: Message-ID: <3D45AFE5.7030802@earthlink.net> How about anything close to Lindsay, Ontario? Catspaw (new) wrote: > It's been a couple of years, but the boys & I are heading up to Thunder Bay. > What's good up there these days? I used to collect at the Diamond Willow, > but I'm always open to suggestions! > > Gary > > Check out: www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS > Check out the monthly FREE DOWNLOAD! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 16:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jul 29 15:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay Amethyst References: Message-ID: <00a801c2374d$54d8d0a0$475204d0@jim> Some members of my club went up there last year and reported back that there is nowhere to collect. If you want Amethyst, you buy it! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Catspaw (new) To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay Amethyst > It's been a couple of years, but the boys & I are heading up to Thunder Bay. > What's good up there these days? I used to collect at the Diamond Willow, > but I'm always open to suggestions! > > Gary > > Check out: www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS > Check out the monthly FREE DOWNLOAD! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 18:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Mon Jul 29 17:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <007201c23762$55cf3200$292707d8@joe> DO you have A.A.A.D.D?=20 >=20 > They have finally found a diagnosis for my > condition. Hooray!!=20 > I have recently been diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D. !=20 > =20 > Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder=20 > =20 > This is how it goes: I decide to wash the car; I > start toward the garage=20 > and notice the mail on the table. Ok, I'm going to > wash the car. But=20 > first I'm going to go through the mail. I lay the > car keys down on the=20 > desk, discard the junk mail and I notice the > trashcan is full. Ok, I'll=20 > just put the bills on my desk and take the trashcan > out, but since I'm=20 > going to be near the mailbox anyway, I'll pay these > few bills first.=20 > =20 > Now, where is my checkbook? Oops, there's only one > check left. My extra=20 > checks are in my desk. Oh, there's the coke I was > drinking. I'm going to=20 > look for those checks.=20 > =20 > But first I need to put my coke further away from > the computer, oh maybe=20 > I'll pop it into the fridge to keep it ! cold for a > while.=20 >=20 > I head towards the kitchen and my flowers catch my > eye, they need some=20 > water. I set the coke on the counter and uh oh! > There are my glasses. I=20 > was looking for them all morning! I'd better put > them away first.=20 > =20 > I fill a container with water and head for the > flower pots - - Aaaaaagh!=20 >=20 > Someone left the TV remote in the kitchen. We'll > never think to look in=20 > the kitchen tonight when we want to watch television > so I'd ! better put=20 > it back in the family room where it belongs.=20 > =20 > I splash some water into the pots and onto the > floor, I throw the remote=20 > onto a soft cushion on the sofa and I head back down > the hall trying to=20 > figure out what it was I was going to do?=20 >=20 > End of Day: The car isn't washed, the bills are > unpaid, the coke is=20 > sitting on the kitchen counter, the flowers are half > watered, the=20 > checkbook still only has one check in it and I can't > seem to find my car=20 > keys! When I try to figure out how come nothing got > done today, I'm=20 > baffled because I KNOW I WAS BUSY ALL DAY LONG!!! I > realize this is a=20 > serious condition and I'll get help, BUT FIRST I > think I'll check my e-mail...=20 Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 18:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jul 29 17:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] orlymanite from N'Chwaning? Message-ID: <1a1.60b0aa6.2a773bea@aol.com> I have a specimen of orlymanite pictured on the Photographic Guide to Mineral Species CD, labeled as being from N'Chwaning Mine. If interested, I can post the picture! Jeff W. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jul 29 19:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jul 29 18:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Thunder Bay Amethyst In-Reply-To: <00a801c2374d$54d8d0a0$475204d0@jim> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020729142312.02c59890@mail.aloha.net> A couple of years ago Bill and I went to Thunder Bay, and while we didn't find true open collecting areas, there were a few mines that were open to collecting for a fee. One I can't remember the name of was on the road to Thunder Bay from the east---there were signs to it---and you climbed up a short trail to areas that had been opened up with a bulldozer. You could borrow buckets and bring material down to the parking lot where they had a faucet and brushes to clean up your finds and decide what you wanted to keep. You were then charged for your keepers by weight. It was definitely fun for kids, and we found a couple of pleasing specimens. I don't remember what they charged, but it didn't seem unreasonable at the time. Perhaps the best known place is the Panorama Mine. It's a tourist type operation, with open fields of tailings from their surface operations, and buckets and washing facilities. But again it's fun for kids, especially since they are almost certain to find handfuls of little amethyst crystals and bits. They also have a large showroom of pieces for sale, and another store in town. Here's info from a brochure we saved: "Amethyst Mine Panorama North America's Largest Amethyst Mine. A unique 'dig-your-own' amethyst adventure awaits you at Amethyst Mine Panorama. Have lots of family fun mining your own amethysts from a 5-acre rock hounding area. Open May 15 to October 15. Or visit the Amethyst Gift Centre open year round. Amethyst Mine: 25 Miles East of Thunder Bay off HWY. 11-17 tel: (807) 622-6908 Amethyst Gift Centre: 400 Victoria Avenue Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada Tel: (807) 622-6908 http://www.2hwy.com/on/a/ameminpa.htm " The above URL has a link to the Panorama website, but when I tried to go there today it was unavailable. Don't know if it will work another day or not. Hope this helps. Kitty At 05:14 PM 7/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Some members of my club went up there last year and reported back that there >is nowhere to collect. If you want Amethyst, you buy it! >Jim >----- Original Message ----- > > > It's been a couple of years, but the boys & I are heading up to Thunder >Bay. > > What's good up there these days? I used to collect at the Diamond Willow, > > but I'm always open to suggestions! > > > > Gary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 05:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Tue Jul 30 04:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] orlymanite from N'Chwaning? References: <96.2969d5c8.2a6629a3@aol.com> <000401c2372b$5c0be500$8005efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c237be$dcaf8700$033d27c4@horstspc> Have just checked with Prof. Bruce Cairncross (co-authur of the book "The Manganese Adventure") and he informed me that the only locality where orlymanite has been found was the Wessels Mine and none has ever been recorded from either N'chwaning I or II. Bruce is pretty well clued up about what is happening at the KMF, so I am accepting his response. Horst--- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:11 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] orlymanite from N'Chwaning? > Orlymanite was first found at South Africa's Wessels Mine, and described on > the basis of a single specimen. The literature available to me, including > two recent books on the SA Mn fields, mentions no other locality for > orlymanite, yet I have a specimen of orlymanite from the Joe Cilen > collection, with a Cureton's label, stating it's from the N'Chwaning Mine. > > Can anybody confirm what would have to be fairly recent finds of orlymanite > from N'Chwaning I or II, or does the Wessels Mine remain the only locality? > > Many thanks for any assistance! > > Tim Jokela Jr > tjokela@execulink.com > http://www.element51.com > http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 07:24:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Jul 30 06:24:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals Message-ID: <3D469356.9B019A64@att.net> Hi all, Does anyone have a current list of all the species found at Lavrion (or Laurion, or Lavrium) Greece? I saw something in Lanny Ream's Mineral News that I need to verify. Thanks in advance. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 08:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jul 30 07:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals References: <3D469356.9B019A64@att.net> Message-ID: <007e01c237d4$077815a0$d29c77d5@pandora.be> Hi Don, I have the book on that subject "Laurion, the minerals in the ancient slags" by Piet Gelaude, Piet Van Kalmthout andChristian Rewitzer. (Don't try to pronounce the authors' names without a doctor present. They sound like a speech impediment but they are quite normal in Belgium and Germany). It has an index with all the known minerals listed. The book is from 1990 so any mineral discovered at this site would not be in it. The list also covers more than just Lavrion and includes localities as Kamariza, Thorikos, etc... 7 in all. Also 6 mines are mentionned. Just let me know if you want the list and then I'll send you a copy off list... cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have a current list of all the species found at Lavrion (or > Laurion, or Lavrium) Greece? I saw something in Lanny Ream's Mineral > News that I need to verify. Thanks in advance. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 08:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jul 30 07:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals References: <3D469356.9B019A64@att.net> Message-ID: <008201c237d8$20e46da0$d29c77d5@pandora.be> Even better, Don. I OCR'd the list. Have fun! Remember: it's complete until 1990... Copper Lead Silver Sulfur Covellite Galena Sphalerite Anthonyite Atacamite Blixite Boleite Botallackite Calumetite Chloroxiphite Connellite Cotunnite Creedite Cumengite Damaraite Diaboleite Ecdemite Embolite Fiedlerite Fluorite Halite Heliophyllite Iodargyrite Laurionite Matlockite Mendipite Nealite Paralaurionite Paratacamite Penfieldite Perite Pseudoboleite Thomsenolite Thorikosite Akaganeite Cuprite Feroxyhyte Ferrihydrite Freedite Goethite Hematite Lepidocrocite Litharge Ludlockite Massicot Minium Paulmooreite Plattnerite Shakhovite Zincite Aragonite Barstowite Calcite Cerussite Hydrocerussit Malachite Phosgenite Smithsonite Strontianite Anglesite Antlerite Brochantite Caledonite ' , Cyanochroite Cyanotrichite Ettringite Gypsum Ktenasite Lanarkite Leadhillite Linarite Macphersonite Mammothite Namuwite Plumbojarosite Schulenbergite Serpierite Susannite Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have a current list of all the species found at Lavrion (or > Laurion, or Lavrium) Greece? I saw something in Lanny Ream's Mineral > News that I need to verify. Thanks in advance. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 08:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Jul 30 07:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <007201c23762$55cf3200$292707d8@joe> Message-ID: <001501c237d7$01038760$aa1dbed8@powertech.net> I think someone's ben watching me! Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayandkip" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) DO you have A.A.A.D.D? > > They have finally found a diagnosis for my > condition. Hooray!! > I have recently been diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D. ! > > Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder > > This is how it goes: I decide to wash the car; I > start toward the garage > and notice the mail on the table. Ok, I'm going to > wash the car. But > first I'm going to go through the mail. I lay the > car keys down on the > desk, discard the junk mail and I notice the > trashcan is full. Ok, I'll > just put the bills on my desk and take the trashcan > out, but since I'm > going to be near the mailbox anyway, I'll pay these > few bills first. > > Now, where is my checkbook? Oops, there's only one > check left. My extra > checks are in my desk. Oh, there's the coke I was > drinking. I'm going to > look for those checks. > > But first I need to put my coke further away from > the computer, oh maybe > I'll pop it into the fridge to keep it ! cold for a > while. > > I head towards the kitchen and my flowers catch my > eye, they need some > water. I set the coke on the counter and uh oh! > There are my glasses. I > was looking for them all morning! I'd better put > them away first. > > I fill a container with water and head for the > flower pots - - Aaaaaagh! > > Someone left the TV remote in the kitchen. We'll > never think to look in > the kitchen tonight when we want to watch television > so I'd ! better put > it back in the family room where it belongs. > > I splash some water into the pots and onto the > floor, I throw the remote > onto a soft cushion on the sofa and I head back down > the hall trying to > figure out what it was I was going to do? > > End of Day: The car isn't washed, the bills are > unpaid, the coke is > sitting on the kitchen counter, the flowers are half > watered, the > checkbook still only has one check in it and I can't > seem to find my car > keys! When I try to figure out how come nothing got > done today, I'm > baffled because I KNOW I WAS BUSY ALL DAY LONG!!! I > realize this is a > serious condition and I'll get help, BUT FIRST I > think I'll check my e-mail... Clay --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 09:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jul 30 08:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals References: <3D469356.9B019A64@att.net> Message-ID: <008f01c237db$49326480$d29c77d5@pandora.be> Ooops Don, for some reason the message was sent unfinished... these are the remaining minerals Annabergite Beudantite Chlorophoenicite Georgiadesite Lavendulan Legrandite Mimetite Olivenite Parasymplesite Pharmacosiderite Scorodite Symplesite Veszelyite Volborthite Amesite Gilalite Hemimorphite Since you asked about slag minerals: a friend of mine is a well known collector and he asked to photograph some his minerals to make a CD-rom. One of those photos can be seen on my web-site http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/anglesie.htm There is some discussion whether it is anglesite rather than susannite. The image width is about 1.5 mm. Can you help identify this specimen (or do you know someone who can? We already know that the brown caoting is goethite. (If you're REALLY into slag minerals, our CD has more than 200 photos on it and an extensive historical chapter about the site: Sclaigneaux, Namur , Belgium. There's a nice preview at http://user.online.be/rdn/website.htm) Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have a current list of all the species found at Lavrion (or > Laurion, or Lavrium) Greece? I saw something in Lanny Ream's Mineral > News that I need to verify. Thanks in advance. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 09:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sterling Hill Mine) Date: Tue Jul 30 08:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: <20020726120039.ZIZM12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002a01c237de$eda55ce0$c7e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> To Don and the group, If I remember correctly one way of identify moly was electrical conduction. Take a ohm meter put thin hair wires on each probe or better yet clips and check the sample. Graphite will not conduct while moly will. My two cents, Steve From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 11:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jul 30 10:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for list of current Lavrion (Laurion, Lavrium) minerals In-Reply-To: <3D469356.9B019A64@att.net> Message-ID: And don't hesitate to Lanny Ream what you find. Thanks, Lanny >Hi all, > >Does anyone have a current list of all the species found at Lavrion (or >Laurion, or Lavrium) Greece? I saw something in Lanny Ream's Mineral >News that I need to verify. Thanks in advance. > >Don >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 15:00:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Tue Jul 30 14:00:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] History of Copper Message-ID: Hi All, Can anyone recommend a good book or books on the history of copper? How it was first used, by whom (bronze age I presume); its significance and use to major historical cultures (egyptians, greeks, romans, other), what wars may have been fought for control of copper resources, what national economies or royal fortunes may have been built on control of copper mines (eg Sweeden & the "Kopperberg"); primitive, medieval, and eighteenth century smelting techniques; biggest copper mines than and now....all that sort of thing...strategic uses of the metal.... Cheers & thanks for any pointers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 15:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jul 30 14:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] History of Copper Message-ID: <153.119f7574.2a785f0e@aol.com> Try a search at WWW.GOOGLE.COM for 'Sixty Centuries of Copper' or 'Copper Through The Ages.' Grant From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 16:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jul 30 15:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: <20020726120039.ZIZM12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <002a01c237de$eda55ce0$c7e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> Message-ID: <002301c23816$d8f3fda0$d69f77d5@pandora.be> Are u sure? I remember using graphite electrodes to make an electric flame arc for spectrometry. That would not work if graphite weren't conductive... Wait a minute I have a giant specimen here from Bopala in Sri Lanka. I bought it from prof. Vochten ( the one from the Vochtenite, yes) so I trust the label completely... See, here it is and wooooooooow, my ohm meter indicates zero electrical resistance in a layer of about 1 inch thick. That means that graphite conducts... I couldn't find any data on the conductivity of molybdenite but its higly reflective properties (metallic lustre) are an indication of relatively free moving electrons (if I recall right). It should therefore be reasonably conductive but I'm not intirely sure. You'd better check if you have a piece. Best Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sterling Hill Mine" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] molybdenite > To Don and the group, > > If I remember correctly one way of identify moly was > electrical conduction. Take a ohm meter put thin hair wires > on each probe or better yet clips and check the sample. > Graphite will not conduct while moly will. > > My two cents, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 16:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jul 30 15:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite In-Reply-To: <002301c23816$d8f3fda0$d69f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: Graphite is conductive but IIRC those electrodes were impregnated with metal in order to improve the conductivity, copper I believe. Bryan Are u sure? I remember using graphite electrodes to make an electric flame arc for spectrometry. That would not work if graphite weren't conductive... Wait a minute I have a giant specimen here from Bopala in Sri Lanka. I bought it from prof. Vochten ( the one from the Vochtenite, yes) so I trust the label completely... See, here it is and wooooooooow, my ohm meter indicates zero electrical resistance in a layer of about 1 inch thick. That means that graphite conducts... I couldn't find any data on the conductivity of molybdenite but its higly reflective properties (metallic lustre) are an indication of relatively free moving electrons (if I recall right). It should therefore be reasonably conductive but I'm not intirely sure. You'd better check if you have a piece. Best Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sterling Hill Mine" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] molybdenite > To Don and the group, > > If I remember correctly one way of identify moly was > electrical conduction. Take a ohm meter put thin hair wires > on each probe or better yet clips and check the sample. > Graphite will not conduct while moly will. > > My two cents, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 16:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Tue Jul 30 15:53:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgians coming to New Jersey Message-ID: Don, I share your financial status. I got recently downsized at my company. But ... I always have Belgian beer in the cooler and you are welcome to share some and some collecting stories and some specimens ... Some of it fluoresces actually quit strong (Axel do you have a fluo ranking of Belgian Beers?) If Paul Van hee makes a stop in New Jersey (he was at our place before) we can definitely get together and visit the Warren museum and the extension. Enjoy the August Franklin symposium. I opted not to participate ... Johan Maertens mineral.maertens@att.net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 17:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Tue Jul 30 16:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mike Collela References: <20020726120039.ZIZM12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <002a01c237de$eda55ce0$c7e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> <002301c23816$d8f3fda0$d69f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3D472251.6A79@rcn.com> Hi I am seeking email for Mike Collela Thankzzz Georgia Olmstead folmstead@rcn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 17:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Tue Jul 30 16:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arenophiles References: <20020726120039.ZIZM12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <002a01c237de$eda55ce0$c7e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> <002301c23816$d8f3fda0$d69f77d5@pandora.be> <3D472251.6A79@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D472474.4AC3@rcn.com> The first weekend in August at Little America Hotel Flagstaff, Arizona 2nd SANDFEST convention/meeting of International Sand Collectors Society (ISCS) ISCS@juno.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jul 30 18:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 30 17:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] History of Copper References: Message-ID: <3D473221.1078@Tomaszewski.net> Hans, Read the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on Copper Production. It includes a good summary of what you asked. The bibliography at the end of the article referrences several texts that sounded very promising of a complete answer. Kreigh H.Durstling wrote: > > Hi All, > > Can anyone recommend a good book or books on the history of copper? > > How it was first used, by whom (bronze age I presume); its significance and > use to major historical cultures (egyptians, greeks, romans, other), what > wars may have been fought for control of copper resources, what national > economies or royal fortunes may have been built on control of copper mines > (eg Sweeden & the "Kopperberg"); primitive, medieval, and eighteenth > century smelting techniques; biggest copper mines than and now....all that > sort of thing...strategic uses of the metal.... > > Cheers & thanks for any pointers, > > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 31 03:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jul 31 02:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] molybdenite References: Message-ID: <001c01c23873$e41d11a0$44ab77d5@pandora.be> ...and clay to hold them together. Pure graphite electrodes would fall apart when at working temperature. The most common spread use for those graphite electrodes seems to have been in movie projectors some decades ago... Those are the kind I used. I guess they would have to add some other metal(s) than copper to enhance conductivity. The green spectral lines of that metal would have seriously compromised the attemps to produce color film in those days ;-))))))))))))) Axel Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] molybdenite > Graphite is conductive but IIRC those electrodes were impregnated with metal > in order to improve the conductivity, copper I believe. > > Bryan > > > Are u sure? > I remember using graphite electrodes to make an electric flame arc for > spectrometry. > That would not work if graphite weren't conductive... > Wait a minute I have a giant specimen here from Bopala in Sri Lanka. I > bought it from prof. Vochten ( the one from the Vochtenite, yes) so I trust > the label completely... > See, here it is and wooooooooow, my ohm meter indicates zero electrical > resistance in a layer of about 1 inch thick. That means that graphite > conducts... > I couldn't find any data on the conductivity of molybdenite but its higly > reflective properties (metallic lustre) are an indication of relatively > free moving electrons (if I recall right). It should therefore be reasonably > conductive but I'm not intirely sure. You'd better check if you have a > piece. > > Best > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbeplein 12 > 2640 Mortsel > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sterling Hill Mine" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] molybdenite > > > > To Don and the group, > > > > If I remember correctly one way of identify moly was > > electrical conduction. Take a ohm meter put thin hair wires > > on each probe or better yet clips and check the sample. > > Graphite will not conduct while moly will. > > > > My two cents, > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 31 03:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jul 31 02:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgians coming to New Jersey References: Message-ID: <002201c23875$2e8b37c0$44ab77d5@pandora.be> Hi Johan, great to hear from you again. Now I have your e-mail address again (the one I had seems to bounce back all messages for some reason). I'm sorry I can't provide a fluo-ranking for Belgian beer. We should however investigate if the reddish facial discoloration of those who drank too much of our "National Nectar" (if that is possible) is a form of luminescence. I'll get back to you off list soon... Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbeplein 12 2640 Mortsel Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Maertens" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgians coming to New Jersey > Don, > > I share your financial status. I got recently downsized at my > company. > But ... I always have Belgian beer in the cooler and you are welcome > to share some and some collecting stories and some specimens ... > Some of it fluoresces actually quit strong (Axel do you have a fluo > ranking of Belgian Beers?) > > If Paul Van hee makes a stop in New Jersey (he was at our place > before) we can definitely get together and visit the Warren museum > and the extension. > > Enjoy the August Franklin symposium. I opted not to participate ... > > Johan Maertens > mineral.maertens@att.net > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or > http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 31 05:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jul 31 04:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] History of Copper Message-ID: <15469E66.69307F58.02180873@aol.com> In a message dated Tue, 30 Jul 2002 7:49:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: > > > Hans, > > Read the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on Copper Production. It > includes a good summary of what you asked. The bibliography at the end > of the article referrences several texts that sounded very promising of > a complete answer. > > Kreigh > > > > H.Durstling wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Can anyone recommend a good book or books on the history of copper? > > > > How it was first used, by whom (bronze age I presume); its significance and > > use to major historical cultures (egyptians, greeks, romans, other), what > > wars may have been fought for control of copper resources, what national > > economies or royal fortunes may have been built on control of copper mines > > (eg Sweeden & the "Kopperberg"); primitive, medieval, and eighteenth > > century smelting techniques; biggest copper mines than > and now....all that > > sort of thing...strategic uses of the metal.... Hans: Try these and follow the associated links. The Noranda one is better for tracing the history of copper. Good luck: http://www.falconbridge.com/ http://www.noranda.com/ Gene Hartstein Newark, DE > > > > Cheers & thanks for any pointers, > > > > Hans Durstling > > Moncton, Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 31 15:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Wed Jul 31 14:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for rockhounding locations in central eastern Oregon Message-ID: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6E7@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> My son Thomas and I are planning a short trip down to Oregon at the end of August. We are new to rockhounding and have never been there. We have been doing some research on the web and have decided to go to the Hampton area for some petrified wood and then to the nearby Glass Butte for obsidian. After that we plan on heading to the Maury mountains for some moss agate. We are looking for other recommendations for rockhounding that are in this general area. Any sort of tips, directions and locations would be greatly appreciated. Mike Messenger From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 31 17:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (artweinle) Date: Wed Jul 31 16:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for rockhounding locations in central eastern Oregon In-Reply-To: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC404602A6E7@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Message-ID: Just got back from a trip to Glass Butte. You ought to find somebody who can give you a map -- the area is VERY remote. Dirt/rocky roads, none labeled (not even the dirt road leading off the paved road to the Glass Butte area when I was there earlier this month); "make a left at the tree" would fit the description. 4-wheel drive or high clearance vehicles are a REAL good idea. There are some slopes that are even difficult for 4-wheel drives. Many loose pieces of quality obsidian can just be picked up near the areas where serious collectors have been excavating pits for bigger rocks. If you want pieces soccer ball size and up, you'll have to do what they do: picks, heavy shovels, prybars, and plan to spend at least a half day at one spot. There are many different areas on the ridge where the quality of the obsidian varies; more solid black to the brown/black mahogany to "pumpkin" (which is really a shade of solid orange, I guess). Art artweinle@comcast.net ======================= on 7/31/02 4:58 PM, Mike Messenger at mmessenger@nwifc.org wrote: > > My son Thomas and I are planning a short trip down to Oregon at the end of > August. We are new to rockhounding and have never been there. We have been > doing some research on the web and have decided to go to the Hampton area for > some petrified wood and then to the nearby Glass Butte for obsidian. After > that we plan on heading to the Maury mountains for some moss agate. We are > looking for other recommendations for rockhounding that are in this general > area. Any sort of tips, directions and locations would be greatly appreciated. > > Mike Messenger > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jul 31 22:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Wed Jul 31 21:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for rockhounding locations in central eastern Oregon Message-ID: Mike, try Tim Fisher's site, he's got photos & great directions of many sites in Oregon. Glass Butte is very hot this time of year & it is very remote. Brothers is the closest "town" it consists of a gas station with the highest gas prices I've seen in Oregon and in the middle of the day it wasn't open! He also has Maury Mt info and surrounding areas. Have a great time & take lots of water! Dawn Fredricks dawnmfredricks@msn.com >From: artweinle >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Looking for rockhounding locations in >central eastern Oregon >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:14:39 -0400 > >Just got back from a trip to Glass Butte. You ought to find somebody who >can give you a map -- the area is VERY remote. Dirt/rocky roads, none >labeled (not even the dirt road leading off the paved road to the Glass >Butte area when I was there earlier this month); "make a left at the tree" >would fit the description. 4-wheel drive or high clearance vehicles are a >REAL good idea. There are some slopes that are even difficult for 4-wheel >drives. > >Many loose pieces of quality obsidian can just be picked up near the areas >where serious collectors have been excavating pits for bigger rocks. If >you >want pieces soccer ball size and up, you'll have to do what they do: >picks, >heavy shovels, prybars, and plan to spend at least a half day at one spot. > >There are many different areas on the ridge where the quality of the >obsidian varies; more solid black to the brown/black mahogany to "pumpkin" >(which is really a shade of solid orange, I guess). > >Art >artweinle@comcast.net >======================= > >on 7/31/02 4:58 PM, Mike Messenger at mmessenger@nwifc.org wrote: > > > > > My son Thomas and I are planning a short trip down to Oregon at the end >of > > August. We are new to rockhounding and have never been there. We have >been > > doing some research on the web and have decided to go to the Hampton >area for > > some petrified wood and then to the nearby Glass Butte for obsidian. >After > > that we plan on heading to the Maury mountains for some moss agate. We >are > > looking for other recommendations for rockhounding that are in this >general > > area. Any sort of tips, directions and locations would be greatly >appreciated. > > > > Mike Messenger > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx