From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 06:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (mosasaur47) Date: Mon Jun 3 05:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emmitt, Arizona References: <1023094482.150.98524.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000301c20af8$f3720be0$43ec35d1@nethop.net> Message-ID: <005b01c20b0d$691724c0$642b8741@pavilion> A friend is in this area (I think it is Yavapai County, near Prescott) and is looking for rockhounding spots. Does anyone have suggestions? Minerals, fossils, or lapidary -anything is of interest. TIA. Apologies for multiple copies due to crossposting. Kenneth Quinn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 06:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (mosasaur47) Date: Mon Jun 3 05:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emmitt again Message-ID: <006d01c20b0d$fcde4260$642b8741@pavilion> Oops, I goofed. Emmitt is in Idaho, my friend is currently near Prescott, AZ. Either spot is of interest. Thanks again. Kenneth Quinn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 09:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Mon Jun 3 08:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapilia.com and klez virus Message-ID: <000501c20b12$d1e11060$c736c143@7a2wp> Well, I've only received the klez virus five times in the last two days. The "from" header is drawn at random from the address book of the infected computer. However the common thread in the headers of most of the emails was that they were actually from lapilia.com. So, if you use lapilia.com, then YOU may be the one infected. Please go to http://www.symantec.com and download and run the free klez removal tool. We will all thank you. -dan- __ "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 10:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 3 09:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite Message-ID: <31.27ce8ee2.2a2cf1c4@aol.com> I was working a piece of Barrillium or Bertrandite and just can't get it to polish. it's very soft and I 've got some zam ordered to try it out on the piece. Is anyone familiar with Barrillium (I know to mask and to work it wet), but it's takeing me too long to get it worthy of setting, not cost efficient, and it wasn't cheep. Debbie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 10:30:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Mon Jun 3 09:30:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite Message-ID: <01816792BB80D21187D500805FBE0149027129B9@exchangewv1.atk.com> The pieces I picked up in Utah at the Beryllium mine polished well with cerium, but I also had pieces which were high in silica content. They had more of a opal feel to them. I was transferred to West Virginia and got rid of most that stuff. The stuff is soft and weathers quickly. -----Original Message----- From: H1260@aol.com [mailto:H1260@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:22 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite I was working a piece of Barrillium or Bertrandite and just can't get it to polish. it's very soft and I 've got some zam ordered to try it out on the piece. Is anyone familiar with Barrillium (I know to mask and to work it wet), but it's takeing me too long to get it worthy of setting, not cost efficient, and it wasn't cheep. Debbie _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 12:40:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Larry Bruce) Date: Mon Jun 3 11:40:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Still sale items at Walt Bowsers house References: <00c301c20862$a2107540$6401a8c0@knnwck.wa.charter.com> <3CF7DBBF.5070107@cox.net> Message-ID: <002401c20b27$83240080$9499b2d1@vaio> Well I know that a lot of local mineral collectors are happy today that they stopped at Walt's this weekend. He sold a lot of high quality specimens from China, Mexico and places in between. although we sold an enormous amount of rocks, the fact is that many additional stibnite pieces, fluorite cubes in all colors, quartz's of many types, wolfenite, cassiterites, silver to knock your socks off and numerous other great pieces are still there today. Although we are not set up any longer for the outdoors part of the sale, you can still call Walt and arrange a time for a private viewing if you act promptly. Call Walt at 626-458 4671 If you call before the good stuff gets wrapped and packed, you will also be one of the happy collectors. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 14:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Mon Jun 3 13:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <31.27ce8ee2.2a2cf1c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CFBD856.4040107@cox.net> I have a sphere of self collected purple beryllium made for me by Cal Clason. It did not polish uniformly. some softer areas did not polish well at all. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 15:08:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lunarcowgirl) Date: Mon Jun 3 14:08:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: <01816792BB80D21187D500805FBE0149027129B9@exchangewv1.atk.com> Message-ID: <20020603210705.36271.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Cerium polishes ok I have found, but I got some stuff from Diamond pacific, Renyolds polish, the economical grade. It gives a really brilliant polish. Jane --- "Davis, Dennis" wrote: > The pieces I picked up in Utah at the Beryllium mine > polished well with > cerium, but I also had pieces which were high in > silica content. They had > more of a opal feel to them. I was transferred to > West Virginia and got rid > of most that stuff. The stuff is soft and weathers > quickly. > -----Original Message----- > From: H1260@aol.com [mailto:H1260@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:22 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite > > > I was working a piece of Barrillium or Bertrandite > and just can't get it to > polish. it's very soft and I 've got some zam > ordered to try it out on the > piece. Is anyone familiar with Barrillium (I know > to mask and to work it > wet), but it's takeing me too long to get it worthy > of setting, not cost > efficient, and it wasn't cheep. Debbie > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== (`*·.¸(`*·.¸¸.·*´)¸.·*´) «'.Lunarcowgirl.'» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´'·.¸)`' ·. ¸) If a man can keep alert & imaginative, an error is a possibility, a chance at something new; to him, wandering and wondering are a part of the same process. He is most mistaken, most in error, whenever he quits exploring. "Age does not protect u from love. But love to some extent, protects u from age." - Anais Nin The Dine Navajo have a saying: "Walking in beauty and being in balance." "Dreaming of u, licks me like fire. Stirring up my senses, I wake up alive" - by: me __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 15:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Jun 3 14:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: <3CFBD856.4040107@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi gang, Tonight I hear lots of things about "beryllium". Beryllium is a metal that IMHO cannot be "self collected", and is certainly not "purple". Moreover the dust of the metal and soluble salts (not beryl, which is a very stable beryllium-aluminiumsilicate) are extremely poisonous and carcinogenous. Import and export of beryllium metal is severely controlled everywhere and subject to al types of permits etc. The metal is e.g. used as a window in energy-dispersive X-ray detectors in electron microscopes and X-ray tubes. Did I miss something or has the word "beryllium" been used here for something totally different ? I'm just curious to know why I can't get the clue... Greetings, Rik Dillen -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of T A Masters Sent: 03 June, 2002 10:58 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite I have a sphere of self collected purple beryllium made for me by Cal Clason. It did not polish uniformly. some softer areas did not polish well at all. Teresa _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 15:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Mon Jun 3 14:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: Message-ID: <3CFBE2CA.5040301@cox.net> Rik, I was at the Brush-Wellman beryllium mine near Delta, Utah. I along with several others were collecting with the permission of the mine owners. We dug and found materials, in reasonable sizes. there were many colors and much of it opalized. I have, as well as the vivid purple, chartreuse green, browns and blacks. I chose to have the purple material made into a sphere. It appears with swirling cloud like patterns and is exquisitely beautiful. This material is crushed into a powder like grain and the beryllium is extracted. If you have better information, several of us would be interested. thank you, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 17:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Mon Jun 3 16:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rik, As you can determine by now, the "beryllium" being discussed is not the metal, but refers to lapidary rock collected at the Brush-Wellman beryllium mine near Delta, Utah. In this case, the name of the locality is being used like a trade name for a pretty purplish rock and not for a specific rock, mineral, or metal. This use of shorthand names for rocks is common among hobbyists with no scientific education, who have no idea of the composition of the rock and are only interested in how it can be cut and polished. Names are used as code words to identify types of rock from certain locations. Unfortunately, it is also often done with fossils as well. Tom Yancey >Tonight I hear lots of things about "beryllium". >Beryllium is a metal that IMHO cannot be "self collected", and is certainly >not "purple". Moreover the dust of the metal and soluble salts (not beryl, >which is a very stable beryllium-aluminiumsilicate) are extremely poisonous >and carcinogenous. Import and export of beryllium metal is severely >controlled everywhere and subject to al types of permits etc. The metal is >e.g. used as a window in energy-dispersive X-ray detectors in electron >microscopes and X-ray tubes. >Did I miss something or has the word "beryllium" been used here for >something totally different ? >I'm just curious to know why I can't get the clue... >Greetings, > >Rik Dillen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 17:57:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Mon Jun 3 16:57:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <31.27ce8ee2.2a2cf1c4@aol.com> <3CFBD856.4040107@cox.net> Message-ID: <003601c20b5a$ad4779e0$0f109e40@s4b5j4> Teresa, I've polished several of them to a mirror polish (Yes, even the soft spots) but you have to use Opticon. It ain't gonna polish without it. Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "T A Masters" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite > I have a sphere of self collected purple beryllium made for me by Cal > Clason. It did not polish uniformly. some softer areas did not polish > well at all. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 18:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 3 17:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite TOM & ALL Message-ID: <132.ebd9a1e.2a2d63f6@aol.com> Tom Very Wellman put, er uh.... I mean well put....Regarding the "Brush Wellman" bertrandite, beryllium, tiffany stone, purple, green, brown, black rock, from Delta Utah. One of the best, to the point explanations of the lapidary arts Tom. I'd also like to point out, in my opinion, that remembering all the names and locations of lapidary materials, is every bit an art form in itself and just as challenging as any other learned craft, or profession and it's quite a difficult accomplishment to achieve.....! It might even be easier to live a geologists life in some regards, because they can simply look at say...... one hundred different agates, from different locations and mines and then state, "oh all of those are simply Cryptocrystalline quartz materials." When asked about all the geographic locations and or, the many diverse, lapidary accepted, made up names and to also grade all one hundred individual agate pieces, as being AAA, A, B or C grade, watch most geologists heads spin........ Lapidary names and their locations are confusing, but they are worth learning and having fun with ! Take care RnL From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 19:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard Dale) Date: Mon Jun 3 18:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Bertrandite - Mineral Names References: <132.ebd9a1e.2a2d63f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c20b67$29dd4820$e1810244@ph.cox.net> From: It might even be easier to live a geologists life in some >regards, because they can simply look at say...... one >hundred different agates, from different locations and >mines and then state, "oh all of those are simply >Cryptocrystalline quartz materials." Easier still to be a mining engineer an be able to look at almost 4000 mineral species and countless rocks & just divide them onto "ore" & "waste"! (I hate to have to include a "just kidding" caveat, but I will for those that must take everything too seriously. Successfully engineering and operating a big mine is harder than running a small country... you have to stay on budget!) Saludos, Richard www.dalerocks.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 3 20:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Mon Jun 3 19:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <31.27ce8ee2.2a2cf1c4@aol.com> <3CFBD856.4040107@cox.net> <003601c20b5a$ad4779e0$0f109e40@s4b5j4> Message-ID: <3CFC20E5.2040200@cox.net> Wes, Thank you for that information, want to try mine? ;-) Please what is the "proper" name of this material? As a > "hobbyists with no scientific education," educate me please. Thanks, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 07:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Jun 4 06:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: Message-ID: <001501c20bcd$6d7858c0$b71dbed8@powertech.net> Hi, Rik There is a lot of confusion about the material from the Beryllium mine; caused mostly, I think, by people trying to get more bucks for the material by calling it fancy names. Actually, the purple material is just fluorspar, in a white matrix. Bertrandite is the actual beryllium ore, and there will be little if any of it in most of this material; as I understand it the nodules are mostly found in the overburden from the mine, and the Bertrandite is mixed in the soil underneath -- in very small amounts. Cheers! Margaret > Hi gang, > > Tonight I hear lots of things about "beryllium". > Beryllium is a metal that IMHO cannot be "self collected", and is certainly > not "purple". Moreover the dust of the metal and soluble salts (not beryl, > which is a very stable beryllium-aluminiumsilicate) are extremely poisonous > and carcinogenous. Import and export of beryllium metal is severely > controlled everywhere and subject to al types of permits etc. The metal is > e.g. used as a window in energy-dispersive X-ray detectors in electron > microscopes and X-ray tubes. > Did I miss something or has the word "beryllium" been used here for > something totally different ? > I'm just curious to know why I can't get the clue... > Greetings, > > Rik Dillen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 08:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Jun 4 07:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? In-Reply-To: <3CEF547A.E118BBAE@ptd.net> References: <20020520124616.VJGY11146.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604070513.016894d0@mail.spiritone.com> Just getting around to reading this.....sorry about where you klive Dennis, I feel for you. SNOI7 OG! At 05:08 AM 5/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Don, > >Thanks for the reply! You mention Penn State....... I don't recognize your >email >address but do you know me? I live in Reinholds, Pa...... > >Dennis Buffenmyer > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 08:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 4 07:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite Message-ID: <8f.1cec7c4c.2a2e2ec7@aol.com> When I purchased the barrillium I purchased a piece that was orange mixed with purple and a little white like confetti. I got that to polish with alot of buffing, Do you think the purple stuff is harder to polish for some reason? I remember old Hank had some johnsons wax under his sink ( the kind they buff floors with) and I even had to cheat and use that, but this piece is plain stubborn. I would just chuck it but I like haveing unusual sones in my jewelry. Debbie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 09:48:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Tue Jun 4 08:48:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <31.27ce8ee2.2a2cf1c4@aol.com> <3CFBD856.4040107@cox.net> <003601c20b5a$ad4779e0$0f109e40@s4b5j4> <3CFC20E5.2040200@cox.net> Message-ID: <002901c20bdf$900bcc20$83641c43@s4b5j4> Margaret said it very well, I can't improve upon her explanation. Some of the stuff from the quote "Berylium Mine" is too soft to do anything with as most of the nodules have pockets of decade and rotten material. It's hard to find pieces big enough for spheres without running into the soft pockets. Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "T A Masters" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite > Wes, > Thank you for that information, want to try mine? ;-) > > Please what is the "proper" name of this material? As a > > > "hobbyists with no scientific education," > > educate me please. > > Thanks, > Terrie > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 10:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 4 09:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite / Linde A & Poly AL F Message-ID: You might try some Linde A.. The old stuff is supposed to be better than what is currently available... Ask around for a teaspoon of old stock pure Linde A.... Or try ordering new stock from Kingsley North / 1 ounce -$ 9.00 / 0.3 microns sz. Also Diamond Pacific carries a polish called Poly- AL F / 0.2 microns sz. The cost is less @ about $7.00 for 4 ounces...... Good luck & ps "# 61 Rapid Polish" might work as well RocknLight From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 11:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Tue Jun 4 10:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Use of "beryllium"in this regards seems to me an extremely poor name to perpetuate, as it is misleading, inaccurate, and confusing. I think using "shorthand", trade or varietal names for rocks and minerals has a long and checkered tradition, with some utility (such as amethyst and citrine). But this isn't even the name of the locality. I wouldn't have the same objection to perhaps "Deltaite" or "Uthalite" for this. Why call something by a name it "ain't"? I also think pleading to a perceived "lack of scientific education" among hobbyists is really kind of insulting to them. Knowing that beryllium is a chemical element is common knowledge that a high schooler should have. Besides, most of the hobbyists I know are both knowledgeable about lots of stuff and eager to learn. Let's get an use a better name for this apparently attractive and popular material. Best wishes - Dr. Bill Cordua >Rik, > >As you can determine by now, the "beryllium" being discussed is not >the metal, but refers to lapidary rock collected at the Brush-Wellman >beryllium mine near Delta, Utah. In this case, the name of the >locality is being used like a trade name for a pretty purplish rock >and not for a specific rock, mineral, or metal. This use of shorthand >names for rocks is common among hobbyists with no scientific >education, who have no idea of the composition of the rock and are >only interested in how it can be cut and polished. Names are used as >code words to identify types of rock from certain locations. >Unfortunately, it is also often done with fossils as well. > >Tom Yancey > > >>Tonight I hear lots of things about "beryllium". >>Beryllium is a metal that IMHO cannot be "self collected", and is certainly >>not "purple". Moreover the dust of the metal and soluble salts (not beryl, >>which is a very stable beryllium-aluminiumsilicate) are extremely poisonous >>and carcinogenous. Import and export of beryllium metal is severely >>controlled everywhere and subject to al types of permits etc. The metal is >>e.g. used as a window in energy-dispersive X-ray detectors in electron >>microscopes and X-ray tubes. >>Did I miss something or has the word "beryllium" been used here for >>something totally different ? >>I'm just curious to know why I can't get the clue... >>Greetings, >> >>Rik Dillen >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 11:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jun 4 10:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: <001501c20bcd$6d7858c0$b71dbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: Dear reply-ers, Thank you all very much for the demystification of some names I couldn't place and the background of the discussion I missed. I think I might sleep again decently next night... ;>)) Greetings, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Malm Sent: 04 June, 2002 3:41 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite Hi, Rik There is a lot of confusion about the material from the Beryllium mine; caused mostly, I think, by people trying to get more bucks for the material by calling it fancy names. Actually, the purple material is just fluorspar, in a white matrix. Bertrandite is the actual beryllium ore, and there will be little if any of it in most of this material; as I understand it the nodules are mostly found in the overburden from the mine, and the Bertrandite is mixed in the soil underneath -- in very small amounts. Cheers! Margaret > Hi gang, > > Tonight I hear lots of things about "beryllium". > Beryllium is a metal that IMHO cannot be "self collected", and is certainly > not "purple". Moreover the dust of the metal and soluble salts (not beryl, > which is a very stable beryllium-aluminiumsilicate) are extremely poisonous > and carcinogenous. Import and export of beryllium metal is severely > controlled everywhere and subject to al types of permits etc. The metal is > e.g. used as a window in energy-dispersive X-ray detectors in electron > microscopes and X-ray tubes. > Did I miss something or has the word "beryllium" been used here for > something totally different ? > I'm just curious to know why I can't get the clue... > Greetings, > > Rik Dillen _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 13:00:04 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Tue Jun 4 12:00:04 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <001501c20bcd$6d7858c0$b71dbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <3CFD0F53.1080401@cox.net> Margaret, Thank you very much for the clarification. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 13:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Jun 4 12:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: Message-ID: <3CFD0F62.2361E4F8@att.net> I was waiting for someone else to say it, since I seem to be a perpetual curmudgeon on this issue, and I am relieved that someone with Dr. Bill's credentials agrees. I was shocked to imagine that people were actually polishing spheres of "beryllium," especially in this day and age when threats of mushrooming proportions seem all too possible. There is nothing wrong with a good and clear trade name, such as amethyst or citrine or even Larimar, but using an established elemental or mineral name for a trade material ain't the way to go. As far as the difficulty in polishing the material, the only obvious answer is that the rock is composed of minerals of widely differing hardness. Without knowing what the minerals are, however, it is difficult for folks to suggest polishing methods unless they have a lot of experience with the same rock themselves. Don "William S. Cordua" wrote: > > Hi all, > Use of "beryllium"in this regards seems to me an extremely poor > name to perpetuate, as it is misleading, inaccurate, and confusing. I think > using "shorthand", trade or varietal names for rocks and minerals has a > long and checkered tradition, with some utility (such as amethyst and > citrine). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 13:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Tue Jun 4 12:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: Message-ID: <3CFD1395.3050502@cox.net> Dr. Bill, Thank you also. The majority of Rockhounds I have met and enjoyed listening to over these years have mostly amazed me with their knowledge. I felt the comment was demeaning and did not like reading it. I doubt those digging are the ones naming the material. Usually it is someone with a vested interest in increasing the price. If I can't readily identify the material I ask. I even try to remember what I hear. I look for identifying structure, there are times when my eyes need a boost. Now tell me again what is Iris Agate? How can I identify it? these are questions I asked this last weekend of Carol Bova as I sorted material with her. I'm still not sure. I am very happy to know that the sphere in my bedroom is not the dangerous Beryllium. Now I can sleep better. ;-) Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 13:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Tue Jun 4 12:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (My beryllium story!) References: <3CFD0F62.2361E4F8@att.net> Message-ID: <3CFD1526.6C842320@bluemarble.net> I couldn't help but relate a story from long ago: I was collecting small beryl crystals from a pegmatite exposed in a road ditch in Cleburne County, Alabama many years ago (never mind how many!). A fellow stopped and asked me what I was doing and I said I was collecting rocks (better not to confuse the natives!). He asked me if I had found any glucinium. I was puzzled, but tried not to appear totally ignorant of what he was talking about (which I was). He went on to tell me how bees were attracted to glucinium and he had noticed them buzzing around the white clay outcrop of the pegmatite. I thanked him for his comments and he drove off. When I returned home, I checked out glucinium and found out it an obsolete term for beryllium. He had been trying to tell me that bees were attracted to the beryl crystals I was collecting. I've never been able to demonstrate a bee/beryl connection, but it was an interesting encounter nonetheless. Henry Barwood From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 13:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Jun 4 12:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite--some good info here References: <3CFD1395.3050502@cox.net> Message-ID: <3CFD1664.2192E1F5@att.net> When life hands you lemons, make lemonade; so I take this opportunity to offer a very good and easy-to-read web page on the subject of beryllium and its ores: http://tis.eh.doe.gov/be/webdoc1.html-ssi It seems likely that the best name for this cutting material is bertrandite. Also take careful notice of all the uses of beryllium and you'll see why now is not a good time for someone to claim they have quantities of it (besides the fact that it gave Rik Dillen a heart attack). Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 14:04:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 4 13:04:00 2002 Subject: [ADMIN] Re: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H In-Reply-To: References: <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020604100131.01ff4180@mail.aloha.net> Aaron, thanks for the tip to grisoft.com. We downloaded the AVG 6.0 Anti Virus Guard and it found and removed two problems (not Klez.H). And now all our mail comes with a message at the bottom that says "Incoming mail is certified Virus Free," which if correct, is reassuring. We have Norton, but haven't updated it in almost a year. Apparently this AVG 6.0 constantly updates itself. Mahalo, Kitty At 09:05 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Rockhounds has been getting five to >six Klez.H infected viruses per day. Our filters are catching them, for >now. Please obtain antivirus software and make sure your computer is clean. > >If you can't afford to purchase a package, GriSoft (a small firm out of >Chekoslovakia, I believe), offers AntiVirusGuard free for personal, >non-commercial (read: non-corporate) use. It's not as full-featured as >Norton or SAV, but the price is right. It also offers tight intergration >with Outlook 2000 and Outlook Express 5.0 and later. > >http://www.grisoft.com/ > >afox >Rockhounds Admin > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 14:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jun 4 13:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite--some good info here In-Reply-To: <3CFD1664.2192E1F5@att.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H Sent: 04 June, 2002 9:35 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite--some good info here http://tis.eh.doe.gov/be/webdoc1.html-ssi >>>>> Scary but informative site ! Thanks for the hint It seems likely that the best name for this cutting material is bertrandite. Also take careful notice of all the uses of beryllium and you'll see why now is not a good time for someone to claim they have quantities of it (besides the fact that it gave Rik Dillen a heart attack). >>>>> I'm still alive for now. About ten years ago we had to wait for 2-3 months for a Be-window EDX detector we ordered in Japan because of export licenses and other permits, because metallic beryllium was considered as a strategic material. The fact that the window in such a detector is perhaps 2 cm2, with a thickness of less than 50 micrometer (0.05 mm) (total weight something of the order of 30 mg) did not influence the officials in their decision that that was a strategic export from Japan... That's life... the law is the law... Greetings, Rik From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 16:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cristina e Achille) Date: Tue Jun 4 15:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] holidays in France Message-ID: <003501c20c13$54d74060$6e7aabd4@acsorlin> Dear friends, I'm going to leave for a short holiday in France (april 25-28th) in the = Loire area. Coming from Italy, I'll travel across central France, so I'd like to = have information on shops, museums, mineral dealers of the region (Orleans, Tours, = ecc...) Thanks a lot Achille Sorlini trille@tin.it --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 19:03:14 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 4 18:03:14 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <8f.1cec7c4c.2a2e2ec7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CFD59BD.2F44@Tomaszewski.net> H1260@aol.com wrote: > > When I purchased the barrillium I purchased a piece that was orange mixed > with purple and a little white like confetti. I got that to polish with alot > of buffing, Do you think the purple stuff is harder to polish for some > reason? I remember old Hank had some johnsons wax under his sink ( the kind > they buff floors with) and I even had to cheat and use that, but this piece > is plain stubborn. I would just chuck it but I like haveing unusual sones in > my jewelry. Debbie I have had good luck polishing soft materials in the past with nylon pantyhose. Cut the pants off, and from the top of each leg cut off about 10 inches so you have two loops. Flatten one out on your felt polishing wheel and stretch it out so you have enough around the back to duct tape it to the wheel. Do it again with the other loop so you have four layers of stretched nylon mesh over the felt. Wet it down with a (very) watery solution of cerium oxide (or your favorite polish) and go to work. Too much pressure can cause the nylon to bunch up and grab the stone, throwing it across the room. Start lightly. Keep it wet with your watery solution of polish (a 1 inch paintbrush dipped in the solution and applied to the spinning wheel when it starts to dry works great). As usual, try anything new on a less valuable specimen first. Good luck! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 19:24:03 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Tue Jun 4 18:24:03 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <001501c20bcd$6d7858c0$b71dbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <003c01c20c2b$0712e100$eb01560c@oemcomputer> Dear List, .... [I tried to send this message to the list earlier today, but because I was sending it from a computer with a different internet connection (even though I was linking it through my normal email provider, att.net, my message was not recognized as coming from a list member, so it is awaiting review by the list moderator before it is released to the list. But so as to send this before the thread gets totally "cold", I'm forwarding it again to the list, this time from my home computer which will be recognized & posted. I hope that makes sense! Here's my (hopefully informative) message---please excuse it if you see this same message pop up twice on the list.] --- Pete M., pjmodreski@att.net I can provide some "hard" info about the nature of the "beryllium nodules" from the Brush-Wellman mine at Spor Mountain, Utah. I read the postings on this with interest (and some amusement), as the group edged closer to a consensus on what these actually are. I've seen the nodules, though never visited the mine in person, and helpfully, I have a retired colleague at the USGS who has studied this deposit, and he has a very good report, complete with photo images of the mine and even of cross-sections of the nodules, posted on the USGS web pages, as USGS Open-File Report 98-524. It is at: http://greenwood.cr.usgs.gov/pub/open-file-reports/ofr- 98-0524/ To quote from his online report: "Mineralized nodules (commonly called "beryllium nodules," SLIDES 57-62) are locally abundant in beryllium ore; they represent altered clasts of carbonate rock. Other clasts, of quartzite, limestone, and volcanic rocks, are little altered. Carbonate clasts show the alteration sequence dolomite-calcite- chalcedonic quartz/opal-fluorite." So, these nodules are altered clasts (= fragments) of dolomite or limestone, that were embedded in volcanic tuff-breccia (rhyolite). Some of them (as you'll see in Dave's images) have a very nice concentric structure, with an interior of calcite, an intermediate shell of gray to black chalcedony, and an outer, white to purplish layer of opal + fluorite. So, the outer material, the part you are normally polishing, is a fine- grained intergrown mixture of (common) opal and fluorite; the degree of purple color is probably an indicator of the fluorite content. The beryllium is said to be concentrated in the fluorite, as microscopic inclusions of bertrandite, generally not more than 1% bertrandite present. Some of the nodules are just solid opal+fluorite, or opal+fluorite+chalcedony. Some also contain inclusions of black manganese oxide, or layers of solid white or translucent-yellowish opal. I hope this helps explain exactly what these are. I'll leave to you to decide what's the best simple name to use for them; "opal-fluorite nodules", I guess. Cheers, Pete Modreski, U.S. Geological Survey, Denver CO pjmodreski@att.net or pmodreski@usgs.gov > > Please what is the "proper" name of this material? As a > > "hobbyists with no scientific education," > educate me please. > > Thanks, > Terrie > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 20:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Tue Jun 4 19:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report #1 Message-ID: <3CFBCE02.3020502@cox.net> Sunday June 2, 2002 Pilot Rockhound Lands Cessna On 10E Freeway Behind Walt Bowser's Mineral Sale Spying the tables laden with Minerals and Crystals sparkling into his eyes, the pilot of a Cessna found the freeway directly behind Walt Bowser's home a very convenient landing site. Walt's driveway, garage, front room and inside patio were wall to wall tables beautifully set by Martha Bowser to beautifully display acres of Crystals, Minerals, and Antiquities. Buyers were a steady stream browsing and then leaving heavily laden with incredible bargains and topped it off with a gift or two from Walt as a thank you. I thank Martha and Walt for my birthday gift of a wonderful carved jade cat wearing a large brass bell. We, Dave Guinn, Martha, Walt and I were sitting taking a breather and chip break when suddenly we heard sirens and the whoop whoop sound police use to get your attention in a hell of a hurry. This continued for a while and then sudden silence, next was a circling helicopter. We decided it was a newsworthy happening although we had not heard a crash or crunch sound of an accident. Walt's home is very close to the freeway sound barrier, so we went one block behind to climb up onto the freeway overpass. There was a crowd some of whom were video taping the scene just ahead of us. An airplane sitting in the high occupancy lane of the eastbound 10 Freeway. The pilot had radioed a Mayday to the Highway Patrol that he would land on the freeway. The whoop whoop's we heard was stopping traffic to give the pilot space to land. There were no cars involved and no injuries at all. that pilot did a fantastic job of controlling his plane and landing safely. Yes it did make for a very interesting event. The traffic was at a standstill of course on the eastbound side, and the lookey loos had it stopped on the westbound side. What a mess. Some hours later when we were both setting out, Walt directed both Dave and myself to an entrance to 10E ahead of the accident where there was clear sailing. As I was approaching San Diego county, I heard a traffic alert where they were rolling the plane across the freeway to get it off. No small feat as the freeway there has no room to move at all and the exits are tight curves with a maximum of 25 MPH limits. Nothing is above Walt's cost, and most are well below. There is very good reason to follow Larry Bruce' suggestion to call Walt for a private viewing. Dealers could well fill out their inventories and be very happy doing so. Walt is not looking forward to crating and hauling this stuff across 3 states. I had planned to upload this last night, I twice was cut off from my server while typing this message. I have been off-line until just now and only have a temporary fix. Cox and Macs do not get along well at all. Grrrr. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 20:27:26 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Tue Jun 4 19:27:26 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report #2 Message-ID: <3CFBF4AE.4000807@cox.net> Glendora, Ca. Goddard Middle School Several years ago, I was attending a CFMS Show where awards were presented. What was so amazing about this was the number of recipients that were Middle and High School students. June 1 & 2 are the traditional weekend after Memorial Day for the Glendora show in support of the Public School program that educates youngsters in Earth Sciences, lapidary, metal work and related subjects. This is not a large show, but it is a very popular one that is well attended by both buyers and sellers. There are dealers who have other show choices that elect to remain loyal to this specific show. That is obvious by the requests for more table space. One high volume dealer no matter where he sells advised me that next year 2003 there would be two other shows in competition with the Glendora Show, but he will not yield even for the well supported and located CFMS Show. That is how highly this show and its purpose is regarded. I spent my time with Carol Bova who has elected by need to reduce her inventory of heavy materials. It is not easy to load a whole show's worth of material and display by oneself. Carol has quite a bit of good material left and at excellent prices. Laguna Nodules, boulder opal, outstanding cabs and cab material from an estate sale, and of course her opals and tourmalines. There was a wonderful camaraderie between most of the dealers, easy referrals between each other for materials known to be at other tables. That worked very well. Now the Glendora School District Program. Anyone involved in education knows how much emphasis today is directed toward academic subjects only. Most of us realize that leaves out in the lurch those students who prefer to work outside of books. This program was unique as it was offered in both Middle and High school. It no longer is, the Middle school program has been eliminated with scant notice. Now with new administration, the High School program may be in jeopardy. This program is totally self sufficient, it is self funded by events such as this annual two day sale. Students have also had other fund raisers, some of which are no longer allowed, such as the candy sale. They have to date raised $45,000 of the needed $50,000. the goal is in sight. On the stage there were student cases showing the works of individual students and also collaboration between two or more. Many of these cases were remarkably professional in presentation and skill. These students deserve recognition and the ability to continue these studies up to and beyond graduation. Many students became enamored with Sphere making. I have never seen so many in one area, and of such a variety of materials. The Sphere machine(s) must have been going full bore the entire year. There was voting on the cases and awards were handed out to the many winners, and winners they were. These youngsters are our future, we must support them in any way we can. This is a Public School Program it should and must remain viable. We need to communicate our positive comments to the Glendora School District Board, and to anyone that may become a supporter, booster, or benefactor for this wonderful program. Please don't let these future geologists, lapidariasts, rockhounds, earth science educators down, communicate your support. Thank you, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 20:27:28 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David R. Dick) Date: Tue Jun 4 19:27:28 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: <3CFBE2CA.5040301@cox.net> from "T A Masters" at Jun 03, 2002 02:42:34 PM Message-ID: <200206032259.SAA05354@gateway.sii-nh.com> Perhaps this is relevant: http://205.125.27.129/communit/brushw.htm It says bertrandite is the beryllium-bearing mineral. > > Rik, > I was at the Brush-Wellman beryllium mine near Delta, Utah. I along with > several others were collecting with the permission of the mine owners. > We dug and found materials, in reasonable sizes. there were many colors > and much of it opalized. I have, as well as the vivid purple, chartreuse > green, browns and blacks. > > I chose to have the purple material made into a sphere. It appears with > swirling cloud like patterns and is exquisitely beautiful. This material > is crushed into a powder like grain and the beryllium is extracted. > > If you have better information, several of us would be interested. > > thank you, > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 20:27:29 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr, Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Jun 4 19:27:29 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks References: Message-ID: <3CFC0AFA.A2762F16@earthlink.net> I really want to thank all of you who came over for my sale. It was a great success. We had over 500 people here on Saturday and a few more on Sunday. It was great, even though it was total Mayhem. I was a tired pup Saturday night. Taking all that money was hard work. LOL. It was very good and very good people were here to help me lessen the load. Thanks to all. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 20:27:31 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 4 19:27:31 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite Message-ID: <20020604154431.TSUT5116.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Dear List, I can provide some "hard" info about the nature of the "beryllium nodules" from the Brush-Wellman mine at Spor Mountain, Utah. I read the postings on this with interest (and some amusement), as the group edged closer to a consensus on what these actually are. I've seen the nodules, though never visited the mine in person, and helpfully, I have a retired colleague at the USGS who has studied this deposit, and he has a very good report, complete with photo images of the mine and even of cross-sections of the nodules, posted on the USGS web pages, as USGS Open-File Report 98-524. It is at: http://greenwood.cr.usgs.gov/pub/open-file-reports/ofr- 98-0524/ To quote from his online report: "Mineralized nodules (commonly called "beryllium nodules," SLIDES 57-62) are locally abundant in beryllium ore; they represent altered clasts of carbonate rock. Other clasts, of quartzite, limestone, and volcanic rocks, are little altered. Carbonate clasts show the alteration sequence dolomite-calcite- chalcedonic quartz/opal-fluorite." So, these nodules are altered clasts (= fragments) of dolomite or limestone, that were embedded in volcanic tuff-breccia (rhyolite). Some of them (as you'll see in Dave's images) have a very nice concentric structure, with an interior of calcite, an intermediate shell of gray to black chalcedony, and an outer, white to purplish layer of opal + fluorite. So, the outer material, the part you are normally polishing, is a fine- grained intergrown mixture of (common) opal and fluorite; the degree of purple color is probably an indicator of the fluorite content. The beryllium is said to be concentrated in the fluorite, as microscopic inclusions of bertrandite, generally not more than 1% bertrandite present. Some of the nodules are just solid opal+fluorite, or opal+fluorite+chalcedony. Some also contain inclusions of black manganese oxide, or layers of solid white or translucent-yellowish opal. I hope this helps explain exactly what these are. I'll leave to you to decide what's the best simple name to use for them; "opal-fluorite nodules", I guess. Cheers, Pete Modreski, U.S. Geological Survey, Denver CO pjmodreski@att.net or pmodreski@usgs.gov > > Please what is the "proper" name of this material? As a > > "hobbyists with no scientific education," > educate me please. > > Thanks, > Terrie > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 20:27:32 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jun 4 19:27:32 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (My beryllium story!) In-Reply-To: <3CFD1526.6C842320@bluemarble.net> Message-ID: <001201c20c14$6d425c60$e92af343@bryan> I can provide the link, Be salts are sweet tasting. A common demonstration in freshman chemistry in the pre-we-worry-about-everything days was to have the students taste a couple of crystals of Beryllium Sulfate ( I think it was the sulfate ) to see how sweet it was. I guess it may have fooled the bees too. Bryan > When I returned home, I checked out glucinium and found out > it an obsolete term for beryllium. He had been trying to tell > me that bees were attracted to the beryl crystals I was > collecting. I've never been able to demonstrate a bee/beryl > connection, but it was an interesting encounter nonetheless. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 4 21:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Tue Jun 4 20:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (My beryllium story!) References: <001201c20c14$6d425c60$e92af343@bryan> Message-ID: <3CFD895C.64A9D1BC@bluemarble.net> Wow! I never tasted Beryllium salts, but I have worked with some pretty toxic stuff in my career (Thallium, hexavalent Chromium, Lead, etc.). Best to err on the side of caution. From what I've read, the toxicity of Beryllium varies among the population (somewhat like allergic sensitivity). I can't imagine a natural environment that would produce enough soluble Beryllium to allow bees to taste test it (!), but I suppose anything is possible. Henry Bryan Kramer wrote: > I can provide the link, Be salts are sweet tasting. A common > demonstration in freshman chemistry in the pre-we-worry-about-everything > days was to have the students taste a couple of crystals of Beryllium > Sulfate ( I think it was the sulfate ) to see how sweet it was. I guess > it may have fooled the bees too. > > Bryan > > > When I returned home, I checked out glucinium and found out > > it an obsolete term for beryllium. He had been trying to tell > > me that bees were attracted to the beryl crystals I was > > collecting. I've never been able to demonstrate a bee/beryl > > connection, but it was an interesting encounter nonetheless. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 5 14:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ( armando afonso) Date: Wed Jun 5 13:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (My beryllium story!) References: <3CFD0F62.2361E4F8@att.net> <3CFD1526.6C842320@bluemarble.net> Message-ID: <003401c20cd2$fcf3d960$04000005@1> Hi I just tasted one of my specimens.The taste is like erh..., dust. Armando Afonso ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (My beryllium story!) > I couldn't help but relate a story from long ago: > > I was collecting small beryl crystals from a pegmatite exposed in a road ditch in > Cleburne County, Alabama many years ago (never mind how many!). A fellow stopped > and asked me what I was doing and I said I was collecting rocks (better not to > confuse the natives!). He asked me if I had found any glucinium. I was puzzled, > but tried not to appear totally ignorant of what he was talking about (which I > was). He went on to tell me how bees were attracted to glucinium and he had > noticed them buzzing around the white clay outcrop of the pegmatite. I thanked > him for his comments and he drove off. > > When I returned home, I checked out glucinium and found out it an obsolete term > for beryllium. He had been trying to tell me that bees were attracted to the > beryl crystals I was collecting. I've never been able to demonstrate a bee/beryl > connection, but it was an interesting encounter nonetheless. > > Henry Barwood > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 5 16:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Wed Jun 5 15:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emmitt, Arizona References: <1023094482.150.98524.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000301c20af8$f3720be0$43ec35d1@nethop.net> <005b01c20b0d$691724c0$642b8741@pavilion> Message-ID: <3CFE9702.DECF241D@amug.org> Hi Kenneth, Suggesting rockhounding spots in Yavapai County is a bit like suggesting where one might find water in Lake Superior. The famous Burro Creek collecting area is in the County, as is the Fat Jack mine (famous for scepters, phantoms and other spectacular quartz) plus many copper, beryllium, gold and other mines, Perkinsville agate, Mayer area jasper and banded travertine and many, many more locals. The names of the mineral districts in the County give a hint as to the mineral richness of the area (and most districts have multiple mines): Agua Fria, Battle Flat, Big Bug, Black Canyon, Black Dome, Black Hills, Black Rock, Bloody Basin, Blue Tank, Box Canyon, Bullard, Burmister, Camp Verde, Camp Wood, Castle Creek, Cherry Creek, Congress, Copper Basin, Copper Ridge, Crosby, Date Creek, Eureka, Finch, Fiscus, Fossil Creek, French Gulch, Groom Creek, Harris, Hassayampa, Hillside, Humbug, Kay, Kirkland, La McCoy, Lane Mtn, Lime Creek, Little Copper Creek, Lucky Star, Magazine, Martinez, Mayer, Mineral Point, Minnehaha, Money Maker, Mt. Union, Old Dick, Peck, Pine Flat, Prescott, Red Picacho, Rich Hill, Richinbar, Seligman, Iron Shea, Silver Mtn, Squaw Peak, Thumb Butte, Ticonderoga, Tiger, Tip Top, Tungstona, Turkey Creek, Tuscumbia, Tussock, Verde Walker, Walnut Grove, White Picacho, Yarber, Wash, Zannaropolis and Zonia. The County web site says that "Yavapai is an empire of its own. It is larger than the states of either Massachusetts or New Jersey or the combined areas of the states of Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Delaware. It ranges in altitude from 2,000 feet in the southwest to over 8,000 feet on the highest of the mountain ranges." I would have to agree with that. I probably have logged over 5,000 miles in Yavapai County in low range four wheel drive during the past 30 years, maybe more. If your friend has some specific desires, have him/her e-mail me off list. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona jemstone@amug.org mosasaur47 wrote: > A friend is in this area (I think it is Yavapai County, near Prescott) and > is looking for rockhounding spots. Does anyone have suggestions? Minerals, > fossils, or lapidary -anything is of interest. TIA. > Apologies for multiple copies due to crossposting. > > Kenneth Quinn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 6 08:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jun 6 07:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (My beryllium story!) In-Reply-To: <3CFD895C.64A9D1BC@bluemarble.net> Message-ID: <000e01c20ce2$e3453120$b9e31d3f@bryan> I found several references to its taste: "The Beryllium element, an alkaline earth metal which belongs to group II of the periodic table, was first discovered in 1798 by L.M. Vauquelin. Vauquelin,a French chemist, was doing work with aluminum and noticed a white powder that was nothing like that of aluminum or any of its derivatives. Vauquelin named this mystery powder, gluinium because of its sweet taste was like that of glucose. In 1828, Wohler, a German metallurgist reduced it to its metallic form and renamed it beryllium.(figure 2)" http://www.nyu.edu/classes/jaeger/beryllium.htm Bryan > > > Wow! I never tasted Beryllium salts, but I have worked with > some pretty toxic stuff in my career (Thallium, hexavalent > Chromium, Lead, etc.). Best to err on the side of caution. > From what I've read, the toxicity of Beryllium varies among > the population (somewhat like allergic sensitivity). I can't > imagine a natural environment that would produce enough > soluble Beryllium to allow bees to taste test it (!), but I > suppose anything is possible. > > Henry > > Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > I can provide the link, Be salts are sweet tasting. A common > > demonstration in freshman chemistry in the > > pre-we-worry-about-everything days was to have the students taste a > > couple of crystals of Beryllium Sulfate ( I think it was > the sulfate ) > > to see how sweet it was. I guess it may have fooled the bees too. > > > > Bryan > > > > > When I returned home, I checked out glucinium and found out it an > > > obsolete term for beryllium. He had been trying to tell > me that bees > > > were attracted to the beryl crystals I was collecting. I've never > > > been able to demonstrate a bee/beryl connection, but it was an > > > interesting encounter nonetheless. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhou> nds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 6 08:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jun 6 07:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: NOT Bertrandite In-Reply-To: <003c01c20c2b$0712e100$eb01560c@oemcomputer> References: <001501c20bcd$6d7858c0$b71dbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606072929.00cfb220@mail.spiritone.com> Bingo Pete. I have been there and was told essentially the same thing by the mine employees. They are neither beryllium nor bertrandite, and I had never heard them called either until this thread started. Much ado about nothing, IMHO. If UR concerned don't dry sand them, which is dumb since they are flourite and will blow out badly. At 06:50 PM 6/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: >So, these nodules are altered clasts (= fragments) of >dolomite or limestone, that were embedded in volcanic >tuff-breccia (rhyolite). Some of them (as you'll see in >Dave's images) have a very nice concentric structure, >with an interior of calcite, an intermediate shell of >gray to black chalcedony, and an outer, white to >purplish layer of opal + fluorite. So, the outer >material, the part you are normally polishing, is a fine- >grained intergrown mixture of (common) opal and >fluorite; the degree of purple color is probably an >indicator of the fluorite content. The beryllium is >said to be concentrated in the fluorite, as microscopic >inclusions of bertrandite, generally not more than 1% >bertrandite present. Some of the nodules are just solid >opal+fluorite, or opal+fluorite+chalcedony. Some also >contain inclusions of black manganese oxide, or layers >of solid white or translucent-yellowish opal. > >I hope this helps explain exactly what these are. I'll >leave to you to decide what's the best simple name to >use for them; "opal-fluorite nodules", I guess. > >Cheers, Pete Modreski, U.S. Geological Survey, Denver CO >pjmodreski@att.net or pmodreski@usgs.gov Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 6 20:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (greg swanson) Date: Thu Jun 6 19:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite In-Reply-To: <3CFBE2CA.5040301@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020607022723.25992.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> You're obviously better connected than I am. I went there last year and they said they no longer allowed collecting. Same old story- greedy people hauling it off by the truck load and damaged equipment. The guard said they had absolute orders not to let anyone in. G --- T A Masters wrote: > Rik, > I was at the Brush-Wellman beryllium mine near > Delta, Utah. I along with > several others were collecting with the permission > of the mine owners. > We dug and found materials, in reasonable sizes. > there were many colors > and much of it opalized. I have, as well as the > vivid purple, chartreuse > green, browns and blacks. > > I chose to have the purple material made into a > sphere. It appears with > swirling cloud like patterns and is exquisitely > beautiful. This material > is crushed into a powder like grain and the > beryllium is extracted. > > If you have better information, several of us would > be interested. > > thank you, > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 6 21:10:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Thu Jun 6 20:10:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <20020607022723.25992.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0023CA.4020104@cox.net> Greg, That is a too often heard sad story for most rockhounds. I don't know how we can control it, but unless something happens soon, we will run out of collecting sites. I have been on field trips with restrictions in place and have heard others mention coming back in with dynamite and or power tools. These are people who join rock and mineral clubs to go on club sanctioned field trips and then first chance they get go back in and rape the place. They then go and sell the ill gotten material at other club shows. Selling rocks is a sideline from their regular jobs, there isn't an honest bone in their bodies. When this information is passed on to club officers, they choose not to make waves and in that way they abet the low life's. I have personally chosen to stay away from where this happens. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 08:08:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Jun 7 07:08:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite References: <20020607022723.25992.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> <3D0023CA.4020104@cox.net> Message-ID: <000f01c20e2b$3a178e00$a21dbed8@powertech.net> Too true, Teresa. they are the few bummers who have spoiled it for all the rest of us. Margaret > Greg, > That is a too often heard sad story for most rockhounds. I don't know > how we can control it, but unless something happens soon, we will run > out of collecting sites. > > I have been on field trips with restrictions in place and have heard > others mention coming back in with dynamite and or power tools. These > are people who join rock and mineral clubs to go on club sanctioned > field trips and then first chance they get go back in and rape the > place. They then go and sell the ill gotten material at other club > shows. Selling rocks is a sideline from their regular jobs, there isn't > an honest bone in their bodies. When this information is passed on to > club officers, they choose not to make waves and in that way they abet > the low life's. > > I have personally chosen to stay away from where this happens. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 08:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 7 07:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (WTB) Message-ID: <20020607144133.RNFI19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> OK, so now that we all have had a great education on this neat material, does anyone have some rough they would like to sell? A softball-sized lump would be fine if none bigger is available. Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 09:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh) Date: Fri Jun 7 08:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Height Message-ID: <200206071457.g57Evg7127685@logs-ti.proxy.aol.com> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/html audio/x-wav application/octet-stream --- StripMime Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 09:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 7 08:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] NY Mineralogical Club Message-ID: <146.f9b06ac.2a323139@aol.com> There is an article in today's NY Times on the NY Mineralogical Club (founded 1886). You can find the article at: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/07/arts/07MINE.html you may have to create a user name/login to access... John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 09:55:26 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 7 08:55:26 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] NY Mineralogical Club Message-ID: <146.f9b06ac.2a323139@aol.com> There is an article in today's NY Times on the NY Mineralogical Club (founded 1886). You can find the article at: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/07/arts/07MINE.html you may have to create a user name/login to access... John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 09:58:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 7 08:58:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bertrandite (WTB) /// Message-ID: <38.2904671e.2a3231da@aol.com> I rarely see any of the good quality material in California.... However, I did see many wonderful specimens in Victorville / Stoddard Wells. They had their annual Tailgate this year, in the middle of nowhere..... The tailgate show is about 8 miles off of the main freeway that goes to Las Vegas. One vendor had lots of poor quality material, but they also had some large cabinet mineral specimens, with druzy quartz and opal and agate matrix.... At $300 to $400 a pop, I passed, but they were gorgeous specimens.. Still, they too had little cutting / lapidary use and were specimens only ! Most of the material I do see, is simply low quality, poor value specimen type, ya know... maybe cool enough just to have a chunk, to say ya do, type of material... The mine is closed off to rockhounding, although some of the employees must trickle some material off now and then and some vendors at shows occasionally might have a slab or two of worthwhile material, from the good old days.. Keep your eyes open at shows and if you see something that looks like common opal, but with purple colors and it has no fractures and is reasonably priced ...GRAB IT QUICK, cause now were all lookin toooooo !!! : ) Take care all Rocknlight From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 7 18:35:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 7 17:35:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Height References: <200206071457.g57Evg7127685@logs-ti.proxy.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D015100.4CA4@Tomaszewski.net> Someone with the KLEZ virus sent this to the list in my name. Examination of the headers suggests it is X-Apparently-From: AABiancaRose@aol.com If you are on the list (which I suspect since you were able to post) please secure your computer. 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I'm offering anything on my website at 1/3 off the listed price until the end of June. Go to http://www.feraloldguy.com and click on Minerals and Fossils for Sale. Thanks John Scully (-: From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 8 22:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sat Jun 8 21:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] NY Mineralogical Club References: <146.f9b06ac.2a323139@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D02DF7A.10200@cox.net> John, Thank you so very much for a wonderful link to a great article. What a wonderful way to get widespread recognition of a rock and Mineral Club. Thanks again, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 09:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Sun Jun 9 08:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Message-ID: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite (miniature or cabinet)? I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon that might fit the description. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 10:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 9 09:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <3D037EF6.1F9D@Tomaszewski.net> Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > > Hi All, > > What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite > (miniature or cabinet)? > I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon > that might fit the > description. > > Later, > Thomsonite is found in the Keweenaw Peninsula in northern Michigan. The last time I visited the Seaman Museum there the gift shop had a bin full of jelly bean sized specimens they were selling for $.75 each. They are on-line so you may be able to order some over the web. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 10:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (artweinle) Date: Sun Jun 9 09:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: <3D037EF6.1F9D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: All: Thompsonite is one of MANY minerals found in gas bubbles in late Precambrian basaltic lava flows in western Lake Superior. These minerals often fill the gas bubbles, creating a texture called amygdaloidal. It is different than porporphyritic because the amygdaloids form well after the basalt has cooled and crystallized (larger crystals in a porphyritic texture form nearly at the same time as the basalt cooled). Other such amygdaloidal minerals include: copper, quartz, calcite, epidote, datolite, pumpellyite (better known as the "Isle Royale Greenstone", Michigan's state gem) and a zillion rare species. Thompsonite is commonly thinly layered in multicolored concentric patterns (bubble filling from outside in, probably with slight changes in impurities). Being a bit more resistant than the host basalt, wave erosion of these basalts exposes and then tumble polishes the thompsonites, making beachcombing for Lake Superior agates even MORE interesting. It should be expected along shorelines in the Keweenaw Peninsula, Isle Royale, and the Lake Superior coastline of Minnesota (NE of Duluth). I think the "type locale" in the Lake Superior area is somewhere along the Minnesota coast. Kreigh's tip on checking with the Seaman Mineralogical Museum (located in the Keweenaw Peninsula in Houghton) is probably a good one. They have a great collection of Lake Superior stuff ... Best wishes, Art Weinle Michigan Earth Science Teachers Association ============================================ on 6/9/02 12:16 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski at Kreigh@tomaszewski.net wrote: > Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite >> (miniature or cabinet)? >> I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon >> that might fit the >> description. >> >> Later, >> > > Thomsonite is found in the Keweenaw Peninsula in northern Michigan. The > last time I visited the Seaman Museum there the gift shop had a bin full > of jelly bean sized specimens they were selling for $.75 each. They are > on-line so you may be able to order some over the web. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 11:43:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 9 10:43:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite... Message-ID: <4c.ca1e8ba.2a34ed6b@aol.com> Other than Michigan and Minnesota, I have read about 2 other locations : Switzerland and Denmark. You also might try finding on the Internet, the "Thomsonite and Zeolite Museum," at the "Thomsonite Beach Motel," near Lutsen, Minnesota. Good luck RocknLight From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 11:57:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 9 10:57:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite / Museum ? Message-ID: <17.296f071c.2a34f0b5@aol.com> Out of curiosity I did a google search myself, but found nothing as well Then I dug deeeper into the Thomsonite vug void "Thomsonite Beach Inn and Suites" Thomsonite jewelry shop & museum.... Website ???...... call 888- 387-1532 Sounds like a great place to stay !!! Just 10 rooms - 3 stars - non smoking, near the lakeshore.. Pack your bags : ) Rocknlight From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 12:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Sun Jun 9 11:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> <3D037EF6.1F9D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D03987D.6060405@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, I should elaborate on what I am looking for. I am interested in a thomsonite mineral specimen, crystallized and terminated, not the rounded nodules like those found along Lake Superior. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 12:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Jun 9 11:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sauktown Sales is back online Message-ID: <002001c20fe4$a1867960$585204d0@jim> We're back from our trip to Utah, California, Arizona, New Mexico, etc. = Collected at a number of localities: Iron Springs/Cedar City, UT Blue Bell Mine, Baker, CA Finch Mine, Hayden, AZ Iron Cap Mine, Landsman Camp, AZ Constellation Road, Wickenburg, AZ Rowley Mine, Theba, AZ Desert Rose Mine, Bingham, NM San Marcial Quarry, San Marcial, NM and a few others. A report with pictures will be posted on our website in a few weeks. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 13:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 9 12:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction >> Message-ID: <11a.1217f83e.2a35000a@aol.com> I didn't see a sorry...... thanks anyway..... in there........ No need to "elaborate." Just be "specific" next time........ It was kinda fun investing all that time in the literature and Internet google search, looking up the Thomsonite nodule rocks info anyway... Thanks for the elaboration : ) Have a great Sunday ! RnL From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 14:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 9 13:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: Hi Ronnie, Oregon has a few localities with large thomsonite. I haven't collected in those with the big thomsonite, and can't even name the localities, but have seen a number of specimens. The two I have specimens from are the Whipple Quarry at Drain (with mesolite) and the other is just labeled Drain, but may be from the same quarry. The thomsonite in both is coarse crystals over 8 mm long and light pink, in the Whipple material the crystals are small groups scattered on the matrix with 1 cm mesolite hairs scattered about, the other is a druse of crystals. I've collected thomsonite at a number of Northwest localities, but it has always been smaler crystals, although the specimens can be cabinet size. Regards, Lanny >Hi All, > >What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite >(miniature or cabinet)? >I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon >that might fit the >description. > >Later, > >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 16:36:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Jun 9 15:36:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020609153323.06892f10@mail.spiritone.com> There is thomsonite in vugs in Biggs picture jasper from Isami Tsubotas quarry. He can usually be reached at the Biggs Cafe 541 739-2395. The specimen I collected had many balls about 5mm in dia. At 01:43 PM 6/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Ronnie, > >Oregon has a few localities with large thomsonite. I haven't collected in >those with the big thomsonite, and can't even name the localities, but have >seen a number of specimens. The two I have specimens from are the Whipple >Quarry at Drain (with mesolite) and the other is just labeled Drain, but >may be from the same quarry. The thomsonite in both is coarse crystals over >8 mm long and light pink, in the Whipple material the crystals are small >groups scattered on the matrix with 1 cm mesolite hairs scattered about, >the other is a druse of crystals. > >I've collected thomsonite at a number of Northwest localities, but it has >always been smaler crystals, although the specimens can be cabinet size. > >Regards, > >Lanny > > >Hi All, > > > >What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite > >(miniature or cabinet)? > >I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon > >that might fit the > >description. > > > >Later, > > > >-- > >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate > >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen > >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca > >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 17:34:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 9 16:34:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> <3D037EF6.1F9D@Tomaszewski.net> <3D03987D.6060405@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <3D03E5B8.7334@Tomaszewski.net> Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > > Hi All, > > I should elaborate on what I am looking for. I am interested > in a thomsonite mineral specimen, crystallized and terminated, > not the rounded nodules like those found along Lake Superior. > > Later, > Do a search on Google for 'thomsonite mineral crystal'. I got 305 hits with two crystals for sale on the first page. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 20:43:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 9 19:43:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction Message-ID: Ronnie- You're right about Oregon, the best crystallized thomsonite comes the Bear Creek Quarry in Drain, Oregon. I just happen to have some. Bill Tompkins Clackamas, Oregon From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 9 21:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (digem) Date: Sun Jun 9 20:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals in Turkey? Ideas please. Message-ID: <3D041532.4934C7D5@plateautel.net> We recently received an email from our nephew in Turkey. ( He's in the airforce). He asked us if we knew of any minerals from there that we would like. Does any one have any ideas? Fossils? Artifacts? Thanks in advance. A From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 05:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 10 04:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Message-ID: <187.8f03b2f.2a35ebea@aol.com> The largest thomsonite crystals I know of came from Prospect Park quarry, Haledon and Upper New Street quarry, Paterson, both Passaic Co., NJ. Crystals of thomsonite from Upper New Street quarry got up to 6 cm long by 1 cm wide and 1 mm thick. The thomsonite occurred in tight plumose crystal clusters to 8 cm on plates of "sea foam green" prehnite. These were found in the 1970's and 1980's. Haven't seen a good one for sale in quite a few years. If you're after a specimen, you might inquire of various NJ/NY dealers. One would certainly show up, but the specimens would be priced according to their quality. Even a moderately good specimen 10 x 12.5 cm would run you $300-$500 depending on how good it was. If you're after a list of localities, Zeolites of the World by Rudy Tschernich is fairly complete. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 05:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 10 04:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals in Turkey? Ideas please. Message-ID: Turkey is a large place. If he can get to eastern Turkey, the famous octahedral pyrites are right next to the road - albeit a very isolated area. Forget about the kammererite unless he know a claim holder. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 06:20:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Mon Jun 10 05:20:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals in Turkey? Ideas please. Message-ID: <200206101219.g5ACJEX18466@mail.his.com> I like the lavender jade from Turkey. Cathy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 06:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Jun 10 05:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite References: Message-ID: <3D049D7F.7020008@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, Thanks for all the replies. It would seem that cabinet specimens of the mineral are uncommon and those with large balls (say 5cm+) are rare. A few people suggested I check out Zeolites of the World. I would love to have a copy of this book (so I wouldn't have to bother people with my questions) but I believe it is out of print. Do used copies of this book ever come up for sale? Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 07:22:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 10 06:22:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Message-ID: <20020610132142.FVB13408.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Ronnie, I saw a copy in my local dealer's case. Maybe more than one copy. If you're serious about it, please contact me offlist and I'll get it for you and ship it etc. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 07:41:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Mon Jun 10 06:41:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: <3D049D7F.7020008@is2.dal.ca> References: Message-ID: Hi Ronnie, I found a used copy of Tschernich's "Zeolites of the World" in Bookmnans, a great used book store in Tucson, so I know they are out there. One word in passing about the Lake Superior thomsonites - specimens called thomsonite aren't all or always thomsonite. A lot of them are actually fibrous prehnite stained by copper. Others are mixtures of thomsonite with mesolite, scolecite and prehnite. I recall hearing the folks at the Seaman museum at Michigan Tech are doing a study on this. Best wishes - Dr. Bill Cordua >Hi All, > >Thanks for all the replies. It would seem that cabinet specimens of the >mineral >are uncommon and those with large balls (say 5cm+) are rare. > >A few people suggested I check out Zeolites of the World. I would love >to have >a copy of this book (so I wouldn't have to bother people with my >questions) but >I believe it is out of print. Do used copies of this book ever come up >for sale? > >Later, > >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 09:30:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Keim) Date: Mon Jun 10 08:30:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction Message-ID: Ronnie, I just added a thompsonite thumbnail from Oregon at www.marinmineral.com Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Van Dommelen [mailto:dommelen@is2.dal.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:04 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction Hi All, I should elaborate on what I am looking for. I am interested in a thomsonite mineral specimen, crystallized and terminated, not the rounded nodules like those found along Lake Superior. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 10:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Mon Jun 10 09:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] URL References: <003d01c20463$b774be30$7e2707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3D03744C.A0DDD9E0@gmx.de> Thank you! In the meantime I got any information I needed from John Cornish who really knows a lot about this locality. Juergen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany clayandkip schrieb: > This is for Juergen Wachsmith; > > url to Beaver Valley quarry,jefferson county,wa. This has the info you require.To make this work use GOOGLE search engine.If you have a problem contact me and I will send you the link. > > Clay > > http://students.washington.edu/~amethyst/bvq.htm > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 10:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Mon Jun 10 09:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re Bookmans References: Message-ID: <3D04D833.9020403@cox.net> Dr. Bill, I manage to get to Bookmans each year during the Rock and Mineral orgy. At that time they have all related books in a prominent location and it appears at a higher price. I have wandered around the stacks into Metals and other less obvious topics and found a few "keepers" at less expensive prices than the highlighted ones. It really is a wonderful book store. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 10:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jun 10 09:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Zeolites of the World In-Reply-To: <3D049D7F.7020008@is2.dal.ca> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610070002.0211a9c0@mail.aloha.net> Amazon.com has Zeolites of the World by Rudy Tschernich for sale used. Kitty At 09:37 AM 6/10/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Thanks for all the replies. It would seem that cabinet specimens of the >mineral >are uncommon and those with large balls (say 5cm+) are rare. > >A few people suggested I check out Zeolites of the World. I would love to have >a copy of this book (so I wouldn't have to bother people with my >questions) but >I believe it is out of print. Do used copies of this book ever come up for >sale? > >Later, > >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 11:08:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jun 10 10:08:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610100619.01bc0a88@mail.spiritone.com> Temporarily Unavailable The Tripod page you are trying to reach has exceeded its hourly bandwidth limit. The site will be available again in 2 hours! Thank you! Maybe its time to get a real host bill? :) At 10:42 PM 6/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: > Ronnie- > > You're right about Oregon, the best crystallized thomsonite comes the Bear >Creek Quarry in Drain, Oregon. > > I just happen to have some. > > > > Bill Tompkins > Clackamas, Oregon Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 11:08:21 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Mon Jun 10 10:08:21 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <3D04D8A9.4F2895A4@gmx.de> Hi, there should be plenty of localities. I just remember Talisker Bay, Skye, Schottland Roßberg, Roßdorf, bei Darmstadt, Odenwald, Hessen Deutschland Hammerunterwiesenthal, Stbr Richter, südlich Annaberg, Vogtland, Erzgebirge-Mitte, Sachsen Deutschland Arensberg, Basberg -Zilsdorf, Eifel, Rheinland-Pfalz Deutschland Soutesky, Tschechische Republik Punta de Aguila, Playa Blanca, Lanzarote, Kanarische Inseln, Spanien Stone's Quarry, Aranga, North Island NZL Maxwell's Quarry, Scotstown, Ballymena, 7 km in Richtung Larne, Antrim, Nordirland Großbritannien Folknare, Pusty vrch, Decin (östlich), Böhmisches Mittelgeb, Böhmen Tschechische Republik Best wishes Juergen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Ronnie Van Dommelen schrieb: > Hi All, > > What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite > (miniature or cabinet)? > I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon > that might fit the > description. > > Later, > > -- > Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate > dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen > Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca > Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 11:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 10 10:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals named for people Message-ID: <150.f1cfcf0.2a363bac@aol.com> Dear List, There are many minerals named for people. Unfortunately, mineralogists weren't always careful about recording even the slightest information about the people for whom they named minerals. Enclosed is a short list of what genealogists call "brick walls". I've searched the net, but obviously didn't know what search words to use. If any of you could help with these I'd appreciate your help. The initials indicate name not known. ? means date not known. The champion unknown is "Dr. Schwartzemberg". Anybody willing to check out the cemetery at Copiapo on their next trip? Best Regards, Van J. Aubert (1929-?) French geophysicist Where? Lorenzo Francisco Aristarain (1926-?) professor of what? Laplata University, Buenos Aires, Argentina Howard D. Zeller (1922-?) USGS Dan Lannon (?-?) prospector who discovered Wilcox district, AZ (Any contacts with the nearest historical society?) Carl B. Lawson (?-?) geologist United Verde Mining Co., Jerome, AZ Joseph F. Leising (1949-alive) Southern Nevada Water Authority Leon Stripplemann (?-?) director of salt works, Westrregeln, Germany. Wilhelm Meyerhoffer (1806-1879) German chemist, where? Roman Vladimirovich Nifontov (1901-1960) Russian geologist, where? Charles H. Northrup (1861-?) grocer!, San Jose, CA (Anybody got an old SJ business directory or access to census records?) Oliver Boyer (?-?) prospector, Tombstone, AZ (I did find a website that said he murdered Martin Sweeney while another website said he got away by bribing the posse.) Thomas Price (1837-?) occupation unknown, San Francisco, CA Refik Bey (?-1865) Turkish journalist, founder of MirAat, revolutionary. What city? Friedrich A. Römer (1809-1869) German geologist where? H. J. Schuiling (?-?) Union Mini `ere de Haute Katanga, position? Dr. ______ Schwartzemberg (?-?) assayer, Copiapó, Chile Erich Seeliger (?-?) Technical University, Berlin, Germany Leonid Ivanovich Shabynin (1909-?) Institute of Geology of Ore Deposits, Moscow, Russia Sof'ya Ivanova Naboko (1909-?) Institute of Volcanology, Kamchatka, Russia C. Tenger (?-?) Swedish chemist, where? A. I. Volkovskaya (?-?) Russian petrographer, where? Ward Cromwell Smith (1906-?) USGS Oscar de Watteville (?-?) occupation? Paris, France Oberbergrath Pinno (?-?) chief councilor of Mines, Halle, Germany Kin-ichi Sakurai (1912-?) Japanese mineral collector and author Nasrollah Khadem (1910-?) Director Geological Survey of Iran Michel Camerola (?-still alive?) mineral collector, where? occupation? Arthur Charles Davy Pain (?-1971) British gem collector J. J. Paris (?-?) manager of Muzo emerald mine, Columbia Rudolph Rost (1902-?) Charles University, Prague, Czech Rep. William Wilcox (?-1880) prospector, Wilcox, AZ (local historical society?) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 11:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jun 10 10:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: <3D049D7F.7020008@is2.dal.ca> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610103441.01bd0a80@mail.spiritone.com> Rudy is and/or was tschernich@richpoor.net At 09:37 AM 6/10/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Thanks for all the replies. It would seem that cabinet specimens of the >mineral >are uncommon and those with large balls (say 5cm+) are rare. > >A few people suggested I check out Zeolites of the World. I would love to have >a copy of this book (so I wouldn't have to bother people with my >questions) but >I believe it is out of print. Do used copies of this book ever come up for >sale? > >Later, > >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 11:43:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Jun 10 10:43:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> <3D04D8A9.4F2895A4@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3D04E4E7.5080708@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond to both of my questions. I have some good answer now and my mailbox is brimming with great info. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 12:02:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sterling Hill Mine) Date: Mon Jun 10 11:02:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals named for people References: <150.f1cfcf0.2a363bac@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c210a8$949a8560$6ce4a5ce@cerfnet.com> Hey Van, Aren't you forgetting our favorite whozit we talked about the other day, H.H. Hodgkinson? Steve From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 13:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Jun 10 12:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rudi Tschernich (was : Thomsonite) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610103441.01bd0a80@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: 10 June, 2002 7:35 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Rudy is and/or was tschernich@richpoor.net Tim Fisher >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi zeolite enthousiasts, This is an old message that I found in my archives (see below) ; I'm afraid that it brings bad news for those who still would like to get a copy of Rudy's book "Zeolites of the world". FYI don't try the e-mail adress mentioned : it's not valid anymore since many years (BTW mine isn't either). Greetings, Rik Dillen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:53:11 -0500 From: "Rudy W. Tschernich" Subject: Zeolites of the world Sender: "Rudy W. Tschernich" To: Henri Dillen Dear Henri, The information that Jon Gladwell sent you about my book is correct. I do have a few copies left and it will not be reprinted. I have never heard of any used copies. People do not part with it. The price is $85.00 in U.S. funds including the postage at surface rate for each book. I am not set up to take credit cards for I am a mineral collector not a dealer. Please send a check for $170.00 in U.S. dollars for two books to Rudy W. Tschernich drawn on any U.S. bank and I will send the books to you immediately. Sincerely, Rudy W. Tschernich From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 18:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 10 17:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline Message-ID: <118.12c005e5.2a369da2@aol.com> wondering if anyone has any available..looking for blue crystals (not green)...thanks...Ron From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 20:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Connie Razmus) Date: Mon Jun 10 19:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] NOT Bertrandite References: <001501c20bcd$6d7858c0$b71dbed8@powertech.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020606072929.00cfb220@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3CFF907E.821CFB95@qwest.net> I snagged what I consider a great speciman from the area -- infused with royal purple, with enough swirls of white to make it spectactular. Yup, I've had problems polishing, and unsure of the durability of the stone, have set some in pendants, not rings. It was sold to me as a beryllium mine nodule. I'm not a rock scientist. Nope, I'm not sure what it's called -- but as we say in the hobby, beauty is in the eye of the b'oulder. I LOVE this rock stuff. Thanks for the interesting discussion. Connie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 20:07:37 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Mon Jun 10 19:07:37 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CAR ACCIDENT Message-ID: <000201c20fc2$6e9dc2a0$5c4127c4@horstspc> Hi everyone, This is just a short message, especially to those to whom I have not = replied to within the past week or more. On Saturday morning, 1st June I was involved in a car accident of which = I have only a few superficial recollections. That morning, I left = Pretoria on my own at 5:00 , heading towards the home of Graham Reeks in = Weltevreden Park where I was to drop off my car an 06:00 and then = accompany him and his son, Ian, on a weekend mineral collecting outing = he the Pering Zinc Mine, some 5 hour drive in a southeasterly = direction.At about 05:45, I missed the turn-off to Weltevreden Park = decided to carry on over the crossing and somehow backtrack on this = road. I remember asking a petrol jockey (petrol station attendant to US = friends) the way to get to Roodepoort (of which Weltevreden Park is a = suburb). He gave me directions, I recollect climbing into my car and the = next time I can recollect, is six hours later, waking up in the Flora = Clinic in Roodepoort in the Intensive Care Unit. To cut a long story short,the Toyota Cressida 2,4 GL was a write-off, I = spent two days in the ICU and a day in the general ward, then = transferred by ambulance to the Muelmed Clinic in Pretoria from where I = was discharged at noon on Friday. My injuries included cuts in my scalp = necessitating about dozen stitches, bruises on both shoulders, and = left lung, both hands lacerated, bruises to both shins and knees and = continuous headaches. (I must say I am still glad to be alive!!) Thus any mail you have sent (or intend sending,)please be patient with = responses, as I have been told to take it SLOWLY at this stage. In the = meantime, Erika has had to buy a new car (Toyota TAZZ - demo model), as = we had lost both our cars in the space of less than six months. At this stage, I would like to express a sincere word of THANKS to Erika = (my wife), Margot (my daughter), Graham and Ian Reeks (all for their = IMMEDIATE help after the accident) and all those other friends and = aquaintances who enquired about my well-being since then. This = has really been heartwarming during this period of stress _ hope I will = be ale to communicate with you in future under better conditions in the = near future - the one prognosis I am fearing is that my neurosurgeon = will slap a one year car drving ba on me, when I get to se him = in 2 weeks time- on Friday before breakfast in hospital he had already = thrown a hint in this direction That's all for today, Kind regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 20:07:44 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 10 19:07:44 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior In-Reply-To: <3D037EF6.1F9D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002501c2102d$4f7278b0$0e1cf343@bryan> We are leaving in less than 2 weeks for a trip around Lake Superior, we like rocks and fossils, our tenative route is: 1) leave Florida, first major stop at Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, I have heard mention of the fossil beds in Sulphur IN and we would appreciate directions to the roadcut. Any other locations in this area? 2) We will follow I69 up into Michigan and proceed north to Saute St Marie any suggested diversions in Indianna or lower Michigan? 3) We will then find camp sites on the Superior north shore and work our way around to Thunder Bay. 4) Then down into Minnesota and into Wisconsin and into the Keweenaw Peninsula. 5) Back to Florida from there. The length of all this will be a bit over 2 weeks. We welcome any hints, directions or diversions anyone may suggest. Thanks, Bryan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 20:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 10 19:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior References: <002501c2102d$4f7278b0$0e1cf343@bryan> Message-ID: <3D0565F8.A58@Tomaszewski.net> If you can go west around Superior, don't miss the Seaman Mineral Museum at MI Tech in Houghton, MI. More than 20,000 specimens on display; more than 60 varieties of mineral collectable within an hour's drive. You could spend days there. Hall's Gap (I25?) in KY (near IN) has millerite geodes. Richmond, IN has fossils just east of town on I25. Kreigh Bryan Kramer wrote: > > We are leaving in less than 2 weeks for a trip around Lake Superior, we > like rocks and fossils, our tenative route is: > > 1) leave Florida, first major stop at Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, I have > heard mention of the fossil beds in Sulphur IN and we would appreciate > directions to the roadcut. Any other locations in this area? > > 2) We will follow I69 up into Michigan and proceed north to Saute St > Marie any suggested diversions in Indianna or lower Michigan? > > 3) We will then find camp sites on the Superior north shore and work our > way around to Thunder Bay. > > 4) Then down into Minnesota and into Wisconsin and into the Keweenaw > Peninsula. > > 5) Back to Florida from there. > > The length of all this will be a bit over 2 weeks. We welcome any > hints, directions or diversions anyone may suggest. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 20:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard Dale) Date: Mon Jun 10 19:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Ferrierite Wanted References: <002501c2102d$4f7278b0$0e1cf343@bryan> Message-ID: <002501c210f3$69c1c880$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Any BC (or elsewhere) vendors/collectors out there with a surplus of ferrierite available? Contact me, off list please. Saludos, Richard dalerocks1@cox.net www.dalerocks.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 21:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard Dale) Date: Mon Jun 10 20:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior References: <002501c2102d$4f7278b0$0e1cf343@bryan> <3D0565F8.A58@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002b01c210f3$de7fa5c0$e1810244@ph.cox.net> > Hall's Gap (I25?) in KY (near IN) has millerite geodes.. > > Kreigh I thought this was strictly off-limits now because of safety concerns?? Is it available again? Richard From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 21:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 10 20:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior Message-ID: <20020611031713.ENNH12618.fl-webmail01@fl-webmail01> You probably want to avoid the Hall's Gap, KY location. At last report, it had been close, posted and fenced. As I understand it, the local law enforcement will firmly suggest that you leave or be arrested. Besides that, it is a VERY dangerous location due to undercutting. John Teague Knoxville, Tennessee > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 10:58:31 EDT > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior > > If you can go west around Superior, don't miss the Seaman Mineral Museum > at MI Tech in Houghton, MI. More than 20,000 specimens on display; more > than 60 varieties of mineral collectable within an hour's drive. You > could spend days there. > > Hall's Gap (I25?) in KY (near IN) has millerite geodes. Richmond, IN has > fossils just east of town on I25. > > Kreigh > > > > > Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > We are leaving in less than 2 weeks for a trip around Lake Superior, we > > like rocks and fossils, our tenative route is: > > > > 1) leave Florida, first major stop at Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, I have > > heard mention of the fossil beds in Sulphur IN and we would appreciate > > directions to the roadcut. Any other locations in this area? > > > > 2) We will follow I69 up into Michigan and proceed north to Saute St > > Marie any suggested diversions in Indianna or lower Michigan? > > > > 3) We will then find camp sites on the Superior north shore and work our > > way around to Thunder Bay. > > > > 4) Then down into Minnesota and into Wisconsin and into the Keweenaw > > Peninsula. > > > > 5) Back to Florida from there. > > > > The length of all this will be a bit over 2 weeks. We welcome any > > hints, directions or diversions anyone may suggest. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 21:18:22 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 10 20:18:22 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior References: <002501c2102d$4f7278b0$0e1cf343@bryan> <3D0565F8.A58@Tomaszewski.net> <002b01c210f3$de7fa5c0$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D056BDB.776C@Tomaszewski.net> Richard Dale wrote: > > > Hall's Gap (I25?) in KY (near IN) has millerite geodes.. > > > > Kreigh > > I thought this was strictly off-limits now because of safety concerns?? Is > it available again? I don't know the answer to that. Can anyone closer than Michigan help? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 21:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Jun 10 20:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report: First Creek / Red Top Mtn, WA Message-ID: Greetz, y'all. Last weekend was the 4th, uh, semi-annual, WTCT. We spent the weekend camped out just off of Red Top Mountain, located a few miles off of Highway 97, north and east of Cle Elum, Washington. It was a weekend of rockhounding, shooting, and drinkin', woo hoo! Shot trap for the first time, and made a fool of myself. Put quite a few holes in tin cans, too. Red Top ----------------------------- There were still a few isolated patches of hard-packed snow across the trail out to the dig site. The weather "sort-of" cooperated; we got a few hours in on Friday before the winds picked up and the snow flurries started. Saturday night was pretty crumby; rain and wind. For those who haven't been there, Red Top Mountain hosts thunder eggs, agate, quartz. Most of the minerals are either hosted in small rounded vugs, or as fracture infillings. I believe that the host rock is Teanaway basalt, which I think is late Eocene; it predates the main phases of the Columbia River flood basalts. However, for the life of me, I can't remember anything about the rock composition; I believe the basalt has an alkalic signature, but that could just be the beer talking.... The site is like a war zone (though not nearly as bad as Crystal Mountain in Montana); there are half-dug pits everywhere, with only scrub brush and field grasses able to take hold. Most of the pits are concentrated on the southern side of the hill; we walked by several other collectors hard at work. I'd thought about saying "hi", but the nasty glares I got merely walking by kinda turned me off to the whole thing. You've two options at Red Top: Dig in float for chips and hunks of rock missed by others, or pick an area, start digging, and look for promising fractures. All I've ever found is small geodes and vuggy quartz, with some nice jasper. I've not seen even a trace of Ellensburg Blue; however, I don't doubt it isn't there. We spent a few hours on Friday afternoon, and about 2 hours on Sunday morning early, working the Red Top site. I came home with a nice teaching sample; it's an intact fracture that I managed to break open. It's coated with what I think is calcite on the outside, and various bands of quartz (interbedded agate and chalcedony?). The best part is that it fits back together, and exhibits a very rough fracture face. It really shows how water truly flows through fractures; irregular storage capacity and highly variable transmissivity is the norm for fractured-hosted reservoirs. Okay, I'll turn the lecture mode off now. As for gemmy material; I struck out. However, I didnt' spend much time breaking fresh rock; I imagine harder-working rockhounds will have much better luck than I did. The nice thing about Red Top Mountain is that there is so much untouched rock to look at. During the 3 days we spent in the area, I found several promising road cuts with large quartz veins cutting through them. Anyone willing to walk the mountain off-trail is bound to find new places to prospect. Good introductions to Red Top Mountain can be found at: http://www.stonetrails.com/WAlocs/Redtop/redtop.htm and http://www.washington-state-rockhounding.info/red-top-collecting.htm Relevant maps are Green Trails map #209 (Mount Stuart, WA) and #210 (Liberty, WA), USGS Topo at: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=2&X=836&Y=6550&Z=10&W=2 and USGS Airphoto at: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=11&T=1&X=1673&Y=13103&Z=10&W=2 If you're going to camp at Red Top, I highly recommend the following site. Approximately 1.25 miles from the Red Top parking lot, there is a small, easy-to-miss spur road off to your right. It leads to a quiet meadow, with a nice stream in the background and lots of privacy. You can see the main road through the trees, but it's still pretty quite. Best of all, it's in a small bowl on the lee side of the hills; you don't get violent winds off the Cascades there. First Creek ------------------------------ The First Creek site is located about 1/2 mile north of the intersection of State Route 970 and Highway 97, on the east side of the road. Look for the rock and gem shop. Then stop, approximately 500 ft north, at the locked white gate. The hike is about a mile up to the "2" tree. We poked around in the road cuts for a couple hundred feet of either side of the tree. Material here seems to be quite similar to that at Red Top. My hiking buddies (first-time rockhounds) found a nice seam that produced rounded concretions that looked quite a bit like the Red Top geodes. The first couple that we broke open were worthless; the material inside had degraded to a light aqua green, chalky clay-like material. However, both Caleb and Scott were not to be deterred, and kept digging. After about an hour, they had managed to work out half a dozen "nodules", each ranging from about an inch to up to five inches in diameter. Three were duds; the other three we didn't crack open, but chips off the sides showed abundant light-gray to faint light-bluish gray quartz. Of course, since they had no tools, they broke MY favorite sledgehammer trying to crack it open. Sigh. Frankly, after about 2 hours of digging through the road cuts, I was bored with this site. So I dropped my pack, grabbed a water bottle and the pistol, and headed off up the mountain. I switchbacked across the slope a couple of times, and found several large pieces of weathered (read: CRAP!) rock with vuggy quartz. I did find one semi-nice piece of float, with both boytryoidal (spelling?) and cockscomb calcite crystals. I assumed that the boytryoidal calcite was at one time aragonite that reverted to calcite as the chunk was exposed to air. If any of the mineralogists can shed some light on whether this *might* be true, let me know! After a few minutes of wondering where I'd disappeared to, my collecting Microsoftie buddy Nick wandered up the hill. We headed down the back (north) side to another logging road. Now, after checking the maps, I'm not sure if this is private property or forest service land. So, we merely hiked, and did not collect. We crossed the road, and headed up the remains of several old log hauls. The terrain becomes fairly steep, but we are still noticing quite a bit of vuggy float. Finally, after about an hour and a half of hard and *hot* hiking, we make it to the base of the peak. The terrain got to be way too steep for a simple rockhounding hike, and we stopped seeing interesting rocks in the float. By my guesstimate, we stopped at about 3400 feet, up on the hill just north of the First Creek roadcut (the elevation of the peak is listed as 4061 feet on the Green trails map). My impressions were that most collectors merely stick to working fractures and float along the road. If it's legal to do so, I'd say start working your way up the mountain. I saw plenty of interesting (albeit highly weathered) material as surface float; and there were several promising exposed rocky areas that, if I hadn't had left my tools at the base of the hill, I would have worked. Good introductions to the First Creek site are: http://www.washington-state-rockhounding.info/roadcut-collecting.htm and http://www.stonetrails.com/WAlocs/First/firstcreek.htm Relevant maps are the Green Trails Map #242 "Thorp, WA", USGS Topo at: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=2&X=844&Y=6538&Z=10&W=2 and USGS airphoto at: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?T=1&S=12&X=844&Y=6538&Z=10&W=2 Oh, and BTW: If anyone living in Portland, within walking distance of the MAX line, is looking for a quiet, celtic and bluegrass-listenin', computer-geeky, gun-loving, D&D playin', rockhounding roommate for the fall, drop me a line. I start grad school at PSU in September and still haven't found a place to live yet... Cheers! Aaron -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 21:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 10 20:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals named for people References: <150.f1cfcf0.2a363bac@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D056E22.255E@Tomaszewski.net> Have you tried the search function at www.FamilySearch.org? ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear List, > > There are many minerals named for people. Unfortunately, mineralogists > weren't always careful about recording even the slightest information about > the people for whom they named minerals. Enclosed is a short list of what > genealogists call "brick walls". I've searched the net, but obviously didn't > know what search words to use. If any of you could help with these I'd > appreciate your help. > The initials indicate name not known. ? means date not known. The > champion unknown is "Dr. Schwartzemberg". Anybody willing to check out the > cemetery at Copiapo on their next trip? > > Best Regards, Van > > J. Aubert (1929-?) French geophysicist Where? > Lorenzo Francisco Aristarain (1926-?) professor of what? Laplata University, > Buenos Aires, Argentina > Howard D. Zeller (1922-?) USGS > Dan Lannon (?-?) prospector who discovered Wilcox district, AZ (Any contacts > with the nearest historical society?) > Carl B. Lawson (?-?) geologist United Verde Mining Co., Jerome, AZ > Joseph F. Leising (1949-alive) Southern Nevada Water Authority > Leon Stripplemann (?-?) director of salt works, Westrregeln, Germany. > Wilhelm Meyerhoffer (1806-1879) German chemist, where? > Roman Vladimirovich Nifontov (1901-1960) Russian geologist, where? > Charles H. Northrup (1861-?) grocer!, San Jose, CA (Anybody got an old SJ > business directory or access to census records?) > Oliver Boyer (?-?) prospector, Tombstone, AZ (I did find a website that > said he murdered Martin Sweeney while another website said he got away by > bribing the posse.) > Thomas Price (1837-?) occupation unknown, San Francisco, CA > Refik Bey (?-1865) Turkish journalist, founder of MirAat, revolutionary. > What city? > Friedrich A. Römer (1809-1869) German geologist where? > H. J. Schuiling (?-?) Union Mini `ere de Haute Katanga, position? > Dr. ______ Schwartzemberg (?-?) assayer, Copiapó, Chile > Erich Seeliger (?-?) Technical University, Berlin, Germany > Leonid Ivanovich Shabynin (1909-?) Institute of Geology of Ore Deposits, > Moscow, Russia > Sof'ya Ivanova Naboko (1909-?) Institute of Volcanology, Kamchatka, Russia > C. Tenger (?-?) Swedish chemist, where? > A. I. Volkovskaya (?-?) Russian petrographer, where? > Ward Cromwell Smith (1906-?) USGS > Oscar de Watteville (?-?) occupation? Paris, France > Oberbergrath Pinno (?-?) chief councilor of Mines, Halle, Germany > Kin-ichi Sakurai (1912-?) Japanese mineral collector and author > Nasrollah Khadem (1910-?) Director Geological Survey of Iran > Michel Camerola (?-still alive?) mineral collector, where? occupation? > Arthur Charles Davy Pain (?-1971) British gem collector > J. J. Paris (?-?) manager of Muzo emerald mine, Columbia > Rudolph Rost (1902-?) Charles University, Prague, Czech Rep. > William Wilcox (?-1880) prospector, Wilcox, AZ (local historical society?) > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 21:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Mon Jun 10 20:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior In-Reply-To: <20020611031713.ENNH12618.fl-webmail01@fl-webmail01> Message-ID: <20020611034802.75857.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> For Halls Gap Millerite I suggest if you can stop by the Bloomington, IN swap the June 21-23. Kentucky collector Mr. Mackenzie usually has some nice millerite at reasonable prices. There are also tons of other rocks, minerals and fossils to choose from. You can see my report on last years Swap including pictures of many Rockhounds list members at the following link. http://emineralshow.com/show2.htm Regards, Stan Perry --- volgems@icx.net wrote: > You probably want to avoid the Hall's Gap, KY > location. At > last report, it had been close, posted and fenced. > As I > understand it, the local law enforcement will firmly > suggest > that you leave or be arrested. Besides that, it is > a VERY > dangerous location due to undercutting. > > John Teague > Knoxville, Tennessee > > > > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 10:58:31 EDT > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake > Superior > > > > If you can go west around Superior, don't miss the > Seaman Mineral Museum > > at MI Tech in Houghton, MI. More than 20,000 > specimens on display; more > > than 60 varieties of mineral collectable within an > hour's drive. You > > could spend days there. > > > > Hall's Gap (I25?) in KY (near IN) has millerite > geodes. Richmond, IN has > > fossils just east of town on I25. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > We are leaving in less than 2 weeks for a trip > around Lake Superior, we > > > like rocks and fossils, our tenative route is: > > > > > > 1) leave Florida, first major stop at Mammoth > Cave in Kentucky, I have > > > heard mention of the fossil beds in Sulphur IN > and we would appreciate > > > directions to the roadcut. Any other locations > in this area? > > > > > > 2) We will follow I69 up into Michigan and > proceed north to Saute St > > > Marie any suggested diversions in Indianna or > lower Michigan? > > > > > > 3) We will then find camp sites on the Superior > north shore and work our > > > way around to Thunder Bay. > > > > > > 4) Then down into Minnesota and into Wisconsin > and into the Keweenaw > > > Peninsula. > > > > > > 5) Back to Florida from there. > > > > > > The length of all this will be a bit over 2 > weeks. We welcome any > > > hints, directions or diversions anyone may > suggest. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 22:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Mon Jun 10 21:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] Bloomington, IN show dates... In-Reply-To: <3D055325.A52ED9C9@icx.net> Message-ID: <20020611041316.80255.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Carl, I was going to write an e-mail encouraging others to try to attend this super swap. It is the best one I've been to anywhere and I have been to quite a few of them. I have been attending every year for about the last 16 years. Collectors come from over the US and Canada. In addition to the Canadians I've met collectors from Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Georgia, North Carolina, New York, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia and others I can't remember offhand. You can go to the following link to see my review of the swap last year. http://emineralshow.com/show2.htm I took pictures of many of the rock list members including a shot of John by his beloved orange UT table-clothes. John Teague wrote: > Carl, > > The show is next weekend, June 21-23. You need to > contact Margaret > Kahrs at > 812-522-6093. > > The Bloomington show is a very interesting one ... > one of my favorites! > I'll be set up > in the center aisle of the main building again this > year. Look for the > UT orange table > cloths! More on that later in the week! > > Hope to see you there! > > John Teague > Volunteer Gems > Knoxville, Tennessee > http://www.VolunteerGems.com > > PaleoCarl@aol.com wrote: > > > Can anyone give me the dates and the person to > contact for this show? > > thanks, > > C2 > > > > PaleoCarl@aol.com > > Carl J. Cook > > SLIP St. Louis Institute for Paleontology > > 1704 Christine Drive > > St. Charles, MO. 63303-4014 USA > > 636-949-2614 > > http://www.lakeneosho.org/SLIP.html > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > rocksandfossils-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 10 22:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Mon Jun 10 21:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CAR ACCIDENT References: <000201c20fc2$6e9dc2a0$5c4127c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <3D05828C.7020206@cox.net> Horst, Oh my, I completely understand you. Comfort level wise, unfortunately the worst is yet to come, discomfort wise. You have shared with me your age, and healing seems a bit slower with age. March 15, a small truck hit me head on. My car was also totaled and I had an ambulance ride to Emergency. I have been under treatment since and now will begin acupuncture for pain relief. Follow medical advice and allow others to do for you. I know that is hard, but superman you are not. Were we not so far apart, we could share some laughs and tales of woe. Take care, let massages knead away some of the aches, pain medication is a necessary evil, just relax and go with the flow. What a field trip report this one turned out to be. Take care and hug Erika and let someone else drive for the next year, think of it as a chauffeur, lean back and relax and watch the scenery pass. Fondly, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 07:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Tue Jun 11 06:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenorite Message-ID: <3D05FA20.6060902@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, Since everyone seems quite talkative lately, I will ask another question. I have just learned about the mineral tenorite. I know that red on native copper is cuprite and green is malachite. Is it reasonable to assume that a black coating on native copper is tenorite, or is generalizing too much? In a related question, is tenorite restricted to certain environments (ex. arid)? Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 07:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Tue Jun 11 06:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rudi Tschernich (was : Thomsonite) Message-ID: Folks: Rik is right: I'll never part with my copy of "Zeolites of the World". It contains thorough, accurate descriptions, excellent crystal drawings, and ample references for further reading. It's too bad it won't be reprinted. Paul Gilmore Andover, MA >From: "Rik Dillen" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: [Rockhounds] Rudi Tschernich (was : Thomsonite) >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:37:12 +0200 > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: 10 June, 2002 7:35 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite >Rudy is and/or was tschernich@richpoor.net >Tim Fisher > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Hi zeolite enthousiasts, > >This is an old message that I found in my archives (see below) ; I'm afraid >that it brings bad news for those who still would like to get a copy of >Rudy's book "Zeolites of the world". FYI don't try the e-mail adress >mentioned : it's not valid anymore since many years (BTW mine isn't >either). > >Greetings, > >Rik Dillen > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:53:11 -0500 >From: "Rudy W. Tschernich" >Subject: Zeolites of the world >Sender: "Rudy W. Tschernich" >To: Henri Dillen > >Dear Henri, > The information that Jon Gladwell sent you about my book is >correct. >I do have a few copies left and it will not be reprinted. I have never >heard >of any used copies. People do not part with it. > The price is $85.00 in U.S. funds including the postage at surface >rate for each book. I am not set up to take credit cards for I am a mineral >collector not a dealer. Please send a check for $170.00 in U.S. dollars for >two books to Rudy W. Tschernich drawn on any U.S. bank and I will send the >books to you immediately. > >Sincerely, > >Rudy W. Tschernich > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 08:24:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Nelson) Date: Tue Jun 11 07:24:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: <3D04E4E7.5080708@is2.dal.ca> References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> <3D04D8A9.4F2895A4@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611101143.00a62cc0@pop.erols.com> Hi, Ronnie. I called him and I bought one copy of his book directly from Rudy 6 or 7 months ago. $95 including postage. He said he had a few left and he signed it for me. He has a lot of zeolites for sale but he only sells them by the flat. I bought about 20 large 2 to 3+ inch specimens of large "balls" of thomsonite with some crystals as long as a half inch or more. the specimens were $3 each by the flat and each was mounted by Rudy himself. He also has some of the beautiful tschernichite (obviously named after him) and the super rare boggsite (which only occurs in tschernichite-lined vugs and only comes from the Neer Road pit in Oregon). Send him an e-mail if you wish and you might be pleasantly surprised. Good luck, Jack Nelson Rudy Tschernich, 526 Ave. A #A, Snohomish, WA 98290-2414, (360) 568-2857, At 02:41 PM 6/10/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond to both of my questions. >I have some good answer now and my mailbox is brimming with great info. > >Later, > >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 08:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 11 07:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenorite Message-ID: <20020611144949.KWSH13408.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> While I cannot answer the explicit question you asked, I have seen black globs, spherules, and botryoids included in rough turquoise, in particular with a dull or resinous luster that becomes submetallic upon polishing, and this has been identified to me as tenorite. Don qu> Hi All, > > Since everyone seems quite talkative lately, I will ask another question. > I have just learned about the mineral tenorite. I know that red on native > copper is cuprite and green is malachite. Is it reasonable to assume that > a black coating on native copper is tenorite, or is generalizing too much? > In a related question, is tenorite restricted to certain environments > (ex. arid)? > > Later, > > -- > Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate > dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen > Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca > Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 11:45:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jun 11 10:45:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Ferrierite Wanted In-Reply-To: <002501c210f3$69c1c880$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: I have -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Richard Dale Sent: 11 June, 2002 4:55 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Ferrierite Wanted Any BC (or elsewhere) vendors/collectors out there with a surplus of ferrierite available? Contact me, off list please. Saludos, Richard dalerocks1@cox.net www.dalerocks.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 13:02:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jun 11 12:02:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Uncompleted symphony In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, this was not Beethoven's uncompleted symphony ! And it wasn't a game "complete this sentence..." This strange message was just a misser... it escaped... Sorry and greetings, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dillen Sent: 11 June, 2002 7:48 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Ferrierite Wanted I have -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Richard Dale Sent: 11 June, 2002 4:55 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Ferrierite Wanted Any BC (or elsewhere) vendors/collectors out there with a surplus of ferrierite available? Contact me, off list please. Saludos, Richard dalerocks1@cox.net www.dalerocks.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 11 20:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 11 19:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: beginning of summer sale at Pyromorphite.com! Message-ID: Hello all: Summer is coming and the attic is getting hotter! To avoid heat stroke, I am having a beginning of summer sale: All specimens on pyromorphite.com will be discounted 50% with mention of this ad! Recently posted are a world-wide assortment of strontianite, celestine, and wavellite specimens, as well as a suite of minerals from Svappavaara, Sweden. Enjoy and thanks for visiting, Jeff ps. remember to reply directly to minphoto@aol.com! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 08:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 12 07:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline Message-ID: <171.eed97c8.2a38b17b@aol.com> Are you looking for research materials? Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 09:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Wed Jun 12 08:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nabesite References: <118.12c005e5.2a369da2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D0628BB.D3A76446@gmx.de> Hello, did anyone hear of specimens of the new mineral nabesite ? (from Kvanefjeld, Greenland; published in Can. Min. 2002, 40, 173-181 by Petersen et al.). I would like to get one for my collection Juergen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 09:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Hiroyasu Ichikawa) Date: Wed Jun 12 08:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals named for people Message-ID: <007e01c21223$ef5251a0$77d07c3d@computer> Hi, Van, >? means date not known. > >Kin-ichi Sakurai (1912-?) Japanese mineral collector and author Dr.Kinichi Sakurai passed away in 1993. He reported 4 new minerals found in Japan: Yugawaralite, Parasymplesite, Wakabayashilite, and Kimuraite.And 2 new minerals were named after him: Sakuraiite and Kinichilite. His portrait is displayed in Tokyo National Museum. One of the greatest amateur mineralogists in Japan (his family business was a Japanese restaurant!). Hiroyasu, from Japan ref. (from my collection): Yugawaralite: http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~hiroyasu/minerals/yugawara.htm Wakabayashilite: http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~hiroyasu/minerals/wakabayashi.htm Kimuraite-(Y): http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~hiroyasu/minerals/kimuraite.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 10:09:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 12 09:09:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline Message-ID: <1a4.38b07a5.2a38cbde@aol.com> Van...looking for something more in the line of a display specimen Thanks In a message dated 6/12/02 10:17:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ANNWB2@aol.com writes: > Are you looking for research materials? > > Van > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 10:38:07 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Wed Jun 12 09:38:07 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Jeweler's Cotton Message-ID: <003b01c2122f$e26c33a0$5e393442@t5k8i6> Hello All, I'm looking for a new source for jeweler's cotton, in sheets by the = case, as David Shannon is currently unable to supply it. Anyone have a = source? Thanks in advance. Richard Sittinger WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club 1770 Orville Avenue Cambria, CA 93428 805.927.2223 Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org www.mineralofthemonthclub.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 13:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Wed Jun 12 12:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story Message-ID: <3D07A050.6020803@is2.dal.ca> Hi All, Just read this. It's pretty neat and might be of interest to those who like meteorites: http://globeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/C/20020612/wmete0612?hub=homeBN&tf=tgam%252Frealtime%252Ffullstory.html&cf=tgam/realtime/config-neutral&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&slug=wmete0612&date=20020612&archive=RTGAM&site=Front&ad_page_name=breakingnews If that link doesn't work, go to: http://globeandmail.com/ and click on the story about the rare meteorite. Later, -- Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 13:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 12 12:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story Message-ID: <20020612194057.EXAX19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> That's a great article for everyone. Of course I can't help but be pedantic and make fun of the term "amateur rockhound"--does that imply there is such a thing as a "professional rockhound"? Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 15:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek) Date: Wed Jun 12 14:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story References: <20020612194057.EXAX19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002b01c21259$b7096230$d87142d8@DDW41S01> I met a professional rockhound last week. He's been hunting rocks and fossils and selling them for nearly 60 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story > > That's a great article for everyone. Of course I can't > help but be pedantic and make fun of the term "amateur > rockhound"--does that imply there is such a thing as a > "professional rockhound"? > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 15:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 12 14:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline Message-ID: <1b8.1ed02dc.2a391cad@aol.com> If it does not have to be native I think Dale Swett has some real fine african blue tourmaline From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 15:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sterling Hill Mine) Date: Wed Jun 12 14:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story References: <20020612194057.EXAX19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <002b01c21259$b7096230$d87142d8@DDW41S01> Message-ID: <006101c2125b$b530e6c0$72e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> Ahem, There is no such thing a "professional" rockhound. A rockhound is a rockhound. I've seen rockhounds collect in my years and some still "don't get it". I met a gal, who said she has collected for over 40 years, come up to me and showed me a piece of white calcite with the rhombic cleavage and said she knew it was calcite and then showed me a salmon-colored piece with rhombic cleavage of....calcite. She then asked me what that one was! Ho boy! Nuff said From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 16:45:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jun 12 15:45:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story References: <3D07A050.6020803@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <000f01c21262$0d7101c0$1e5204d0@jim> Interesting story, but one thing seemed odd- 2.5 kg isn't "unusually heavy" for a specimen the size of a basketball. Perhaps a baseball? Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronnie Van Dommelen To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story > Hi All, > > Just read this. It's pretty neat and might be of interest to those who like meteorites: > > http://globeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/C/20020612/wmete061 2?hub=homeBN&tf=tgam%252Frealtime%252Ffullstory.html&cf=tgam/realtime/config -neutral&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&slug=wmete0612&date=20020612&archive=RTGA M&site=Front&ad_page_name=breakingnews > If that link doesn't work, go to: > > http://globeandmail.com/ > and click on the story about the rare meteorite. > > Later, > > -- > Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate > dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen > Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca > Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 19:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Otis) Date: Wed Jun 12 18:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline References: <118.12c005e5.2a369da2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D07F252.60EECE2B@earthlink.net> Ron, I have an exceptional display specimen that is the deep sea blue so it does have hints of green in the color. It weighs in at approximately 92 grams and at its longest point is 6 inches. It is several 'branches' growing off each other and has some drusy needle crystals in one place. If you are interested, I will try and scan it and send you a photo. Sincerely, Teresa Otis Hammerron@aol.com wrote: > wondering if anyone has any available..looking for blue crystals (not > green)...thanks...Ron > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 12 21:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Brian Doll) Date: Wed Jun 12 20:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Message-ID: Hi All: My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Wa= shington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to= be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface colle= cted, and took some material home to be sorted later. While I was collecting, a Timber employee drove by and informed me that I= had better clean out the drainage ditch before I left. When I looked dow= n there, there was a ton of material in the ditch left there by some prev= ious rockhounds. I removed what I could, but there was just too much for = me to manage with my leg. I'm writing this to let you know - if anyone kn= ows who left the big mess up there - please tell them to go back and clea= n it out - or this might become another lost collecting location! BrianGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer= .msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 03:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Thu Jun 13 02:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - ItalianMinerals update Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020613113120.007ae910@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, almost a moth passed before I was able to prepare a consistent and significant amount of photos of all the material I collected in these last 3 months ! There are 5 pages of NEW MATERIAL ready to be visited ! great material such as beautiful and rare to find PHOSGENITES and ANGLESITES from Monteponi mine, Italy, ANATASE crystals from Alps, Italy, BIXBYITES, with almost 1 cm crystals, PSEUDOBROOKITES, honey colored SPHALERITES in crystals up to 1-1.5 cm with galena cubes, RSENOPYRITE from China, bright green PYROMORPHYTE with 0.5 cm crystals, from China, nice seacolored FLUORITE cubes up to 2 cm, GROSSULAR and VESUVIANITE from Jeffrey mine, Canada, with nicely terminated crystals, and also more from Italy, suc as the famous QUARTZ from Marble quarries, and the TOURMALINES from Isola Elba, the type locality of elbaite ! I will be happy to have you visiting my pages at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com or on: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html Best regards, Alessandro ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 07:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Jun 13 06:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FWIW, I had a similar experience while collecting with Ron Winter up at the White River Tree Farm. A short discussion with the timber company reps indicated that they were glad people were using the land, but destroying the road cuts cost them money, and blocking the ditches did little to help the roads as well. Is the augite site worth a full day trip? Cheers! afox > Hi All: > > My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and took some material home to be sorted later. > > While I was collecting, a Timber employee drove by and informed me that I had better clean out the drainage ditch before I left. When I looked down there, there was a ton of material in the ditch left there by some previous rockhounds. I removed what I could, but there was just too much for me to manage with my leg. I'm writing this to let you know - if anyone knows who left the big mess up there - please tell them to go back and clean it out - or this might become another lost collecting location! > > BrianGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 11:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Marcus Origlieri) Date: Thu Jun 13 10:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenorite In-Reply-To: <3D05FA20.6060902@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102828.00b1e2b0@mail62.pair.com> Hello To call such material tenorite is presumptuous; black coatings on copper may also be sulfides. Much labelled tenorite with chrysocolla is actually black chrysocolla. Tenorite is an unusual mineral, much rarer than the labels indicate. I have personally authenticated material from Michigan. I have samples from Bisbee which require x-ray confirmation. cheers Marcus At 10:24 AM 6/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Since everyone seems quite talkative lately, I will ask another question. >I have just learned about the mineral tenorite. I know that red on native >copper is cuprite and green is malachite. Is it reasonable to assume that >a black coating on native copper is tenorite, or is generalizing too much? >In a related question, is tenorite restricted to certain environments (ex. >arid)? > >Later, > >-- >Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate >dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen >Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca >Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Marcus Origlieri Mineral Zone http://www.mineralzone.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 12:10:03 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Jun 13 11:10:03 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story References: <20020612194057.EXAX19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <001801c21305$1a087000$890cc850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Excellent ? Pls Define this. I see often 'amateurs' acting with more 'professionalism' than so called 'professionals'. Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story > > That's a great article for everyone. Of course I can't > help but be pedantic and make fun of the term "amateur > rockhound"--does that imply there is such a thing as a > "professional rockhound"? > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 12:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jun 13 11:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior References: <20020611034802.75857.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c21306$f1e8e9e0$105204d0@jim> About 15 miles South of Bloomington on Route 37, at the Harrodsburg turnoff, there is a road cut with geodes, and some of them contain Millerite. This is a lot safer place to collect than Hall's Gap. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Perry To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior > For Halls Gap Millerite I suggest if you can stop by > the Bloomington, IN swap the June 21-23. Kentucky > collector Mr. Mackenzie usually has some nice > millerite at reasonable prices. There are also tons > of other rocks, minerals and fossils to choose from. > You can see my report on last years Swap including > pictures of many Rockhounds list members at the > following link. > http://emineralshow.com/show2.htm > > Regards, > Stan Perry > > --- volgems@icx.net wrote: > > You probably want to avoid the Hall's Gap, KY > > location. At > > last report, it had been close, posted and fenced. > > As I > > understand it, the local law enforcement will firmly > > suggest > > that you leave or be arrested. Besides that, it is > > a VERY > > dangerous location due to undercutting. > > > > John Teague > > Knoxville, Tennessee > > > > > > > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 10:58:31 EDT > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake > > Superior > > > > > > If you can go west around Superior, don't miss the > > Seaman Mineral Museum > > > at MI Tech in Houghton, MI. More than 20,000 > > specimens on display; more > > > than 60 varieties of mineral collectable within an > > hour's drive. You > > > could spend days there. > > > > > > Hall's Gap (I25?) in KY (near IN) has millerite > > geodes. Richmond, IN has > > > fossils just east of town on I25. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > > We are leaving in less than 2 weeks for a trip > > around Lake Superior, we > > > > like rocks and fossils, our tenative route is: > > > > > > > > 1) leave Florida, first major stop at Mammoth > > Cave in Kentucky, I have > > > > heard mention of the fossil beds in Sulphur IN > > and we would appreciate > > > > directions to the roadcut. Any other locations > > in this area? > > > > > > > > 2) We will follow I69 up into Michigan and > > proceed north to Saute St > > > > Marie any suggested diversions in Indianna or > > lower Michigan? > > > > > > > > 3) We will then find camp sites on the Superior > > north shore and work our > > > > way around to Thunder Bay. > > > > > > > > 4) Then down into Minnesota and into Wisconsin > > and into the Keweenaw > > > > Peninsula. > > > > > > > > 5) Back to Florida from there. > > > > > > > > The length of all this will be a bit over 2 > > weeks. We welcome any > > > > hints, directions or diversions anyone may > > suggest. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ===== > Stan Perry > Our Gangue Minerals > www.emineralshow.com > Ebay seller ID rgangue > e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 13:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Brian Doll) Date: Thu Jun 13 12:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Message-ID: Hi Aaron: If you haven't been there, I would recommend the augite location. Also, t= here are several quarries along the same road that John Cornish showed us= last year. Lots of places to look for zeolites. Also, its a nice drive i= n the country. I know Ron Winter wants to go there this year... Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Fox Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:14 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip FWIW, I had a similar experience while collecting with Ron Winter up at the White River Tree Farm. A short discussion with the timber company reps indicated that they were glad people were using the land, but destroying the road cuts cost them money, and blocking the ditches did little to help the roads as well. Is the augite site worth a full day trip? Cheers! afox > Hi All: > > My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, = Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals = to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface col= lected, and took some material home to be sorted later. > > While I was collecting, a Timber employee drove by and informed me that= I had better clean out the drainage ditch before I left. When I looked d= own there, there was a ton of material in the ditch left there by some pr= evious rockhounds. I removed what I could, but there was just too much fo= r me to manage with my leg. I'm writing this to let you know - if anyone = knows who left the big mess up there - please tell them to go back and cl= ean it out - or this might become another lost collecting location! > > BrianGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explor= er.msn.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhoundsGet more from the Web= . FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 14:04:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 13 13:04:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteorite Story, now "professional rock hound" In-Reply-To: <006101c2125b$b530e6c0$72e4a5ce@cerfnet.com> References: <20020612194057.EXAX19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <002b01c21259$b7096230$d87142d8@DDW41S01> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020613095629.00ab1320@mail.aloha.net> I don't believe there's a reason to get concerned about this terminology. A professional is one who makes his or her living or is engaged in an occupation for pay. An amateur is one who does not receive remuneration. There is an implication that an amateur is untrained, but that is not necessarily the case. Many stars and comets have been discovered by amateur astronomers, for example; they are highly skilled, but unpaid. My copy of the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary says: "Rock hound: a geologist; an amateur mineralogist." I know a professional oil geologist who is not a rock hound. My husband is a professional physicist and astronomer, but an amateur rock hound. I know people who are not trained mineralogists, but make a living selling minerals they collect; to me they are professional rock hounds. Aloha, Kitty At 05:54 PM 6/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ahem, >There is no such thing a "professional" rockhound. A >rockhound is a rockhound. I've seen rockhounds collect in my >years and some still "don't get it". I met a gal, who said >she has collected for over 40 years, come up to me and >showed me a piece of white calcite with the rhombic cleavage >and said she knew it was calcite and then showed me a >salmon-colored piece with rhombic cleavage of....calcite. >She then asked me what that one was! Ho boy! > >Nuff said > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 17:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Thu Jun 13 16:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian Doll2002.06.12 20:50rockhoundnut@hotmail.com Hi All: My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and took some material home to be sorted later. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Would you please be so kind and send me a description of where this site is or a scetch or a reference on the internet where either one can be found Thank you in advance Hilmar Krocke Vancouver --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 18:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 13 17:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline Message-ID: <6c.1da946a7.2a3a989c@aol.com> Hello, would you have any contact information? In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:55:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gemelbaite@aol.com writes: > If it does not have to be native I think Dale Swett has some real fine > african blue tourmaline > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 13 21:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 13 20:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip around lake Superior In-Reply-To: <002501c2102d$4f7278b0$0e1cf343@bryan> References: <3D037EF6.1F9D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020613165425.0248e140@mail.aloha.net> A couple of years ago we were in Bancroft, Ontario (great place..."The Mineral Capital of Canada"...lots of collecting areas) and got a book at the visitors center there on the geology and collecting areas along the north shore of Lake Superior. It's a great guide, and you might be able to get a copy after you get into Ontario. This is the title: "Roadside Geology of Ontario, North Shore of Lake Superior," by E. G. Pye Although the following information copied from the book may possibly be too late for your purposes, others on the list might appreciate it. "All publications of the Ontario GEOservices Centre and the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines of Canada are available for viewing and purchase from the following sources: Mines and Minerals Information Centre Room M2-17, Macdonald Block 900 Bay St. Toronto, Ontario M7A 1C3 Tel: 1-800 665-4480 (within Ontario) Tel: (416) 314-3800 Fax: (416) 314-3797 or: Publication Sales 933 Ramsey Lake Rd., Sudbury, Ontario P3E 6B4 Tel: (705) 670-5691 (collect calls accepted) Fax: (705) 670-5770 E-Mail: pup_sales@torv05.ndm.gov.on.ca" Aloha, Kitty At 11:17 PM 6/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: >We are leaving in less than 2 weeks for a trip around Lake Superior, we >like rocks and fossils, our tenative route is: > >1) leave Florida, first major stop at Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, I have >heard mention of the fossil beds in Sulphur IN and we would appreciate >directions to the roadcut. Any other locations in this area? > >2) We will follow I69 up into Michigan and proceed north to Saute St >Marie any suggested diversions in Indianna or lower Michigan? > >3) We will then find camp sites on the Superior north shore and work our >way around to Thunder Bay. > >4) Then down into Minnesota and into Wisconsin and into the Keweenaw >Peninsula. > >5) Back to Florida from there. > >The length of all this will be a bit over 2 weeks. We welcome any >hints, directions or diversions anyone may suggest. > >Thanks, > >Bryan > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 14 14:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Brian Doll) Date: Fri Jun 14 13:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Message-ID: Hi Henry: Ron Winters web site has excellent directions to the site: http://www.stonetrails.com/WAlocs/Wildcat/wildcat.htm Click on the link at the bottom of the page for a very accurate map to th= e site. Expect a good 45 minute drive after you exit the freeway until yo= u reach the site. =20 Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilmar Krocke Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:57 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Brian Doll2002.06.12 20:50rockhoundnut@hotmail.com Hi All: My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and t= ook some material home to be sorted later. _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ___ Would you please be so kind and send me a description of where this site= is or a scetch or a reference on the internet where either one can be found Thank you in advance Hilmar Krocke Vancouver --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhoundsGet more from the Web= . FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 15 09:43:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat Jun 15 08:43:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Roswell, NM field trips Message-ID: I updated the Chaparral Rockhounds Gem And Mineral Club, Roswell, NM. Field trip and Show information for 2002. If interested please visit: http://www.chaparralrockhounds.com/reports.html Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 03:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sun Jun 16 02:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - ItalianMinerals update Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020616113844.00e8b2f0@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, almost a moth passed before I was able to prepare a consistent and significant amount of photos of all the material I collected in these last 3 months ! There are 5 pages of NEW MATERIAL ready to be visited ! great material such as beautiful and rare to find PHOSGENITES and ANGLESITES from Monteponi mine, Italy, ANATASE crystals from Alps, Italy, BIXBYITES, with almost 1 cm crystals, PSEUDOBROOKITES, honey colored SPHALERITES in crystals up to 1-1.5 cm with galena cubes, RSENOPYRITE from China, bright green PYROMORPHYTE with 0.5 cm crystals, from China, nice seacolored FLUORITE cubes up to 2 cm, GROSSULAR and VESUVIANITE from Jeffrey mine, Canada, with nicely terminated crystals, and also more from Italy, suc as the famous QUARTZ from Marble quarries, and the TOURMALINES from Isola Elba, the type locality of elbaite ! I will be happy to have you visiting my pages at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com or on: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html Best regards, Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 07:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 16 06:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Message-ID: <15a.f6a06a3.2a3dedc1@aol.com> Perhaps if there is a fieldtrip there, there would be a few minutes dedicated to improving the drainage ditch? Perhaps a sign could be posted "This area improved by concerned citizens"? The Friends of Mineralogy police the Washington Pass area of trash so to stay on friendly relations with the local authorities. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 13:57:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Jun 16 12:57:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite References: <3D037146.1010102@is2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <00a601c21570$33d03a00$5a01560c@oemcomputer> Hi Ronnie Van D. and others, Here's a belated additional comment to the thomsonite thread of a week or so ago, Another very good locality for crystallized thomsonite is North (and South) Table Mountains, Golden, Colorado. You'll see this mentioned in publications (such as, Rudy Tschernich's book on zeolites) that discuss the mineral. Table Mountains thomsonite occurs typically as white crusts or fan-shaped aggregates of fibrous crystals, lining zeolite-filled cavities. Specimens can range up to plates with surfaces several inches across, covered with drusy thomsonite up to 1 cm or more thick. There are also a variety of other habits, including branching aggregates of thomsonite. We (Kile & Modreski, 1988) described this in an article in Mineralogical Record. Table Mountains thomsonite, though one of the best world-wide localities for the mineral, is not often seen for sale, because there has been little or no commercial collecting, just by individual collectors, and as there has been no active quarry here for a very long time, collecting is slow and difficult, breaking apart large, hard boulders. Also, because most of the mountainside has recently been made part of the Jefferson County Open Space/Park land, future collecting will probably be much more restricted. I didn't want our premier Colorado thomsonite locality (and possibly the best in the country) to go unmentioned! Sincerely, Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronnie Van Dommelen To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite > Hi All, > > What worldwide localities produce large specimens of thomsonite > (miniature or cabinet)? > I just did a search on the net and found only one specimen from Oregon > that might fit the > description. > > Later, > > -- > Ronnie Van Dommelen, PhD Candidate > dommelen@is2.dal.ca, http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen > Photonics Applications Lab, http://www.optics.ee.dal.ca > Electrical and Computer Engineering, Dalhousie University > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 13:57:46 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Jun 16 12:57:46 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CAR ACCIDENT References: <000201c20fc2$6e9dc2a0$5c4127c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <00a701c21570$387f9140$5a01560c@oemcomputer> Dear Horst, I was sorry to hear about your injury in the car accident, so a good wish (if a bit tardy) from me too, for your continued, if prolonged, recovery. Also, to Teresa, sorry to hear about your injury too, best luck in recovery to you also. Sincerely, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 15:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Jun 16 14:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Status of Hansen Creek, WA? Message-ID: Anybody know if the WSMC claim is still closed to collecting? I checked their home page: http://members.aol.com/washminrl/wsmc.htm and didn't see anything. Last I remember, WSMC relinquished the claim to the Forest Service due to a couple of jerkwads who started fires to ward off bugs. d. -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 16:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 16 15:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today Message-ID: <3d.1fc454fe.2a3e6b08@aol.com> John Sinkankas' obituary was in the NY Times today. You can see it online at: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/obituaries/13SINK.html John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 16:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 16 15:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today Message-ID: <3d.1fc454fe.2a3e6b08@aol.com> John Sinkankas' obituary was in the NY Times today. You can see it online at: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/obituaries/13SINK.html John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 19:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 16 18:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today In-Reply-To: <3d.1fc454fe.2a3e6b08@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616150026.02136960@mail.aloha.net> I tried to go to the site you posted, John, but was confronted with a "free" membership requirement. I guess I'm a stick-in-the-mud, but I was offended by the NY Times "required fields" even if they say they will "respect my privacy." Just why do they need to know my gender, zip code, year of birth, household income range, job title, job function, and industry in which I work? I'm sorry about the death of John Sinkankas; I don't know who he was, but to find out I will go to the library or news stand rather than submit to that survey. Yes, I could make up a bunch of stuff, but I won't play their game, even in a tricky fashion. Thanks for attempting to share anyway. Kitty At 06:28 PM 6/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: >John Sinkankas' obituary was in the NY Times today. You can see it online at: >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/obituaries/13SINK.html > >John Betts >www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 20:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sun Jun 16 19:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616150026.02136960@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3D0D473D.225A@rcn.com> Hi I found the same problem.... re Sinkankas' obit. re ny times.... If you do a search for John Sinkankas you can come across a long article by Jay Lininger I forget the site off hand I think Jay might have written it for Matrix Magazine a while back. Nice article about John Sinkankas. GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 20:15:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sun Jun 16 19:15:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Highlights from The Life and Times of John Sinkankas Message-ID: <3D0D4792.6737@rcn.com> http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm ___ Here is the article. GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 16 22:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 16 21:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Highlights from The Life and Times of John Sinkankas In-Reply-To: <3D0D4792.6737@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616184125.00ab3b60@mail.aloha.net> Many thanks, Georgia. Very interesting. Aloha, Kitty At 10:21 PM 6/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: >http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm > >___ >Here is the article. > >GeorgiaO >folmstead@rcn.com > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 17 06:05:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 17 05:05:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Message-ID: <103.16e8c31c.2a3f2a34@aol.com> Dear Pete, The NJ thomsonite is probably the best in the world. The matrix is bright green prehnite with a typically knobby partly crystaled surface. Plates to 20 x 30 cm were found with brushes scattered over the surface. Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 17 08:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Laila Nyhus-Hansen) Date: Mon Jun 17 07:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Highlights from The Life and Times of John Sinkankas References: <3D0D4792.6737@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D0E02D3.7EE1@erols.com> Frederick L. Olmstead wrote: > > http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm > > ___ > Here is the article. > > GeorgiaO > folmstead@rcn.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds There is a nice article about John Sinkankas, "In Memoriam" from the editor of Lapidary Journal Tools and Supplies Issue July 2002, as rockhounds more of us are more likely to see that than the NYtimes. Hope this helps . Laila From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 17 12:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Jun 17 11:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616150026.02136960@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: I tried to go to the site you posted, John, but was confronted with a "free" membership requirement. I guess I'm a stick-in-the-mud, but I was offended by the NY Times "required fields" even if they say they will "respect my privacy." Just why do they need to know my gender, zip code, year of birth, household income range, job title, job function, and industry in which I work? >>>>> Well, actually I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who did not dig into the New York Times site because I wasn't in the mood to learn them about all possible irrelevant details about my private life. They forgot to ask about the measure of my shoes and the brand of thooth paste I use, not to speak about how many times in a week I take a shower... John, you can't help it, of course. Thanks for the hint ! We will publish a short article in our magazine anyway. John Sinkankas is a name that is very widespread, even here in Europe, and we are all sorry that he passed away. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2002 ---- Minerals and fossils show --- was a big success... see you again next year ! 27-28 April 2002 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen I'm sorry about the death of John Sinkankas; I don't know who he was, but to find out I will go to the library or news stand rather than submit to that survey. Yes, I could make up a bunch of stuff, but I won't play their game, even in a tricky fashion. Thanks for attempting to share anyway. Kitty At 06:28 PM 6/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: >John Sinkankas' obituary was in the NY Times today. You can see it online at: >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/obituaries/13SINK.html > >John Betts >www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 17 15:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 17 14:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bloomington, IN show this weekend Message-ID: <20020617213754.CMWC489.fl-webmail02@fl-webmail02> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Bloomington, IN show this weekend. It had been mentioned last week but I felt another reminder was in order! This is a GREAT show. Very laid back, down to earth. You will find many dealers, both large and small, from all parts of the country/world. You'll also find true "tailgaters" with just a few local items .... lots of minerals, fossil, and rough material to interest almost anyone in the hobby. Again this year I will be in the main row of the main building. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! (Keith Hayes, eat your heart out! Keith really loves my cloths but would never admit it!) Stop by and say "HI!" Last year several list memembers did just that and it was interesting to finally be able to put a face with a name! I'm sometimes questioned as to whether I'm a dealer or not. At this show there is good reason! I usually end up buying more from other dealers that I sell. Bloomington does have materials that are difficult or impossible to find at other shows. Everything shows up! Dates: Friday-Sunday, June 21-23, 2002. Hours: Friday - 10:00 am - 7:00 pm Saturday - 8:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 8:00 am - 4:00 pm MAPS meeting Saturday, 2:00 pm FMIC meeting Saturday, 4:00 pm Location/Directions: Monroe Co. 4-H Club Fairgrounds Southwest of JCT of IN 37 and IN 45, west of Bloomington 1.2 miles on IN 45 0.7 miles on Airport Rd. Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my addiction with other dealers! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 17 15:38:25 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 17 14:38:25 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bloomington, IN show this weekend Message-ID: <20020617213754.CMWC489.fl-webmail02@fl-webmail02> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Bloomington, IN show this weekend. It had been mentioned last week but I felt another reminder was in order! This is a GREAT show. Very laid back, down to earth. You will find many dealers, both large and small, from all parts of the country/world. You'll also find true "tailgaters" with just a few local items .... lots of minerals, fossil, and rough material to interest almost anyone in the hobby. Again this year I will be in the main row of the main building. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! (Keith Hayes, eat your heart out! Keith really loves my cloths but would never admit it!) Stop by and say "HI!" Last year several list memembers did just that and it was interesting to finally be able to put a face with a name! I'm sometimes questioned as to whether I'm a dealer or not. At this show there is good reason! I usually end up buying more from other dealers that I sell. Bloomington does have materials that are difficult or impossible to find at other shows. Everything shows up! Dates: Friday-Sunday, June 21-23, 2002. Hours: Friday - 10:00 am - 7:00 pm Saturday - 8:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 8:00 am - 4:00 pm MAPS meeting Saturday, 2:00 pm FMIC meeting Saturday, 4:00 pm Location/Directions: Monroe Co. 4-H Club Fairgrounds Southwest of JCT of IN 37 and IN 45, west of Bloomington 1.2 miles on IN 45 0.7 miles on Airport Rd. Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my addiction with other dealers! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 15:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Tue Jun 18 14:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Catspaw New Email Address Message-ID: Hi all... I've finally broken down and scrounged my own domain. Henceforth, please send all correspondense to: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com I'll be making a web page up there some day in my copious (hah!) free time. As in "after the attic has been finished". As always... MasMils PLUS disks are available for sale or trade. Give me a hollar, eh? Regards, Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 17:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 18 16:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <001201c2171c$e343f500$1385f7a5@pavilion> hi everyone. will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month from North Carolina. does anyone know of any shows in that area for those days ? thanks barny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 17:23:31 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 18 16:23:31 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <001201c2171c$e343f500$1385f7a5@pavilion> hi everyone. will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month from North Carolina. does anyone know of any shows in that area for those days ? thanks barny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 17:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue Jun 18 16:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <001201c2171c$e343f500$1385f7a5@pavilion> Message-ID: <004b01c21721$6d2cb000$0301a8c0@ferrari> Is it just me or is everyone else on this list getting two copies of every email that is sent? Paul in South Jersey ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 19:07 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > hi everyone. > will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month from North > Carolina. > does anyone know of any shows in that area for those days ? > thanks > barny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 17:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 18 16:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <12c.13160b34.2a411fa4@aol.com> Nope, your right, it is just you, lol....Unless you get this twice, lol For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 18:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Tue Jun 18 17:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <200206190043.g5J0hFB23049@mail.his.com> >will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month Dear Barny, Sorry, but no rock shows that weekend. Do go to the Smithsonian though to see the gem and mineral hall and the newly renovated rock and mineral gift shop. Cathy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 19:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 18 18:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <004b01c21721$6d2cb000$0301a8c0@ferrari> References: <001201c2171c$e343f500$1385f7a5@pavilion> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618150526.00ab58e0@mail.aloha.net> Paul, I got 2 copies of barny's. Remember the "Ghost Messages" thread we had back in February and you welcomed me to the Clueless Club? Kreigh Tomaszewski gave a good explanation of how "Ghost Messages" occur during a discussion of cutting out trailers. Aloha, Kitty At 07:39 PM 6/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Is it just me or is everyone else on this list getting two copies of every >email that is sent? > >Paul in South Jersey > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 19:07 >Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > > > > hi everyone. > > will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month from North > > Carolina. > > does anyone know of any shows in that area for those days ? > > thanks > > barny > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 19:18:07 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 18 18:18:07 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200206190043.g5J0hFB23049@mail.his.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618151524.0248ed90@mail.aloha.net> Do go to the Smithsonian though to >see the gem and mineral hall and the newly renovated rock and mineral >gift shop. > >Cathy Thanks for the tip, Cathy. Bill is in DC right now at an astronomy conference, and I'll pass your recommendation on to him. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 19:49:47 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue Jun 18 18:49:47 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <001201c2171c$e343f500$1385f7a5@pavilion> <5.1.0.14.0.20020618150526.00ab58e0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <008201c21731$ac883840$0301a8c0@ferrari> Thanks Kitty, I remember the ghost thread. I have been receiving doubles of everything on this list the last couple of days though. Nothing to worry about ... I know where the delete button is. ; ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 21:14 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > Paul, I got 2 copies of barny's. Remember the "Ghost Messages" thread we > had back in February and you welcomed me to the Clueless Club? Kreigh > Tomaszewski gave a good explanation of how "Ghost Messages" occur during a > discussion of cutting out trailers. > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 07:39 PM 6/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Is it just me or is everyone else on this list getting two copies of every > >email that is sent? > > > >Paul in South Jersey > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 19:07 > >Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > > > > > > > hi everyone. > > > will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month from North > > > Carolina. > > > does anyone know of any shows in that area for those days ? > > > thanks > > > barny > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 19:59:58 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Jun 18 18:59:58 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chicago trip: things to see, shops? Message-ID: <3D0FE234.BDFE77FA@att.net> Hi all, I will be attending a polarizing light microscopy class at the McCrone Institute in Chicago, IL, from July 8-12. Since I am flying on a frequent flyer ticket I must arrive a day early for a weekend stay. It seems the Chicago Field Museum is a short distance away; I am wondering what other museums or exhibits I should see, or if there are any significant mineral or fossil shops in the area. I won't have a car so I am limited to public transit. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 20:16:34 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Jun 18 19:16:34 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <008201c21731$ac883840$0301a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: I'll take a look when I get back in town. Sorry about the inconvience. Cheers! Aaron > Thanks Kitty, > > I remember the ghost thread. I have been receiving doubles of > everything on this list the last couple of days though. Nothing to worry > about ... I know where the delete button is. ; ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 21:14 > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > > > > Paul, I got 2 copies of barny's. Remember the "Ghost Messages" thread we > > had back in February and you welcomed me to the Clueless Club? Kreigh > > Tomaszewski gave a good explanation of how "Ghost Messages" occur during a > > discussion of cutting out trailers. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > At 07:39 PM 6/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Is it just me or is everyone else on this list getting two copies of > every > > >email that is sent? > > > > > >Paul in South Jersey > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: ; > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 19:07 > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > hi everyone. > > > > will be going to Washington D.C. the 20-22 of this month from North > > > > Carolina. > > > > does anyone know of any shows in that area for those days ? > > > > thanks > > > > barny > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/mixed > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 20:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 18 19:29:00 2002 Subject: Unsolicited AD: Re: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite Correction References: Message-ID: <3D0FEB87.735A@Tomaszewski.net> I took Bill up on his thomsonite offer and have added some exceptional specimens to my collection (and acquired some great trading stock too), including some that survived shipping with mesolite crystals intact (no mean feat). Bill has a great source and this is an offer worth checking out. This is an unsolicited ad for Bill's thomsonite from a satisfied customer. Kreigh WTompkcccc@aol.com wrote: > > Ronnie- > > You're right about Oregon, the best crystallized thomsonite comes the Bear > Creek Quarry in Drain, Oregon. > > I just happen to have some. > > > > Bill Tompkins > Clackamas, Oregon > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 20:29:14 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 18 19:29:14 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chicago trip: things to see, shops? References: <3D0FE234.BDFE77FA@att.net> Message-ID: <3D0FEC39.1432@Tomaszewski.net> Don H wrote: > > Hi all, > > I will be attending a polarizing light microscopy class at the McCrone > Institute in Chicago, IL, from July 8-12. Since I am > limited to public transit. Any advice would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Don The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry is also worth seeing. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 18 23:35:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Mineral Vug) Date: Tue Jun 18 22:35:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- 50% off mineral sale Message-ID: Hello All: The Mineral Vug wishes to announce the following site sale: 50 % off sale on specimens with ID's beginning with numbers or the letter A. Such as #345 or A-200. This sale does not include specimens discounted on the Bargain Basement. Regards, Brett Shaffer The Mineral Vug www.themineralvug.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 19 00:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jeff Holman) Date: Tue Jun 18 23:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chicago trip: things to see, shops? References: <3D0FE234.BDFE77FA@att.net> <3D0FEC39.1432@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D1021BE.8070209@ieee.org> The Adler Planetarium is fun, and so is the Lincoln Park Zoo. If you want some nostalgia, sit in on a Cubs game at Wrigley field. :-) - Lynn (born and raised in and near the Windy City) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >Don H wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I will be attending a polarizing light microscopy class at the McCrone >>Institute in Chicago, IL, from July 8-12. Since I am >>limited to public transit. Any advice would be appreciated! >> >>Thanks, >>Don >> > >The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry is also worth seeing. >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 19 06:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 19 05:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chicago trip: things to see, shops? Message-ID: <7AFF774E.611BBD57.02180873@aol.com> As for Rock Shops, Dave's Down to Earth in Evanston is worth seeing (if it is still there). He has the best private fossil collection display of any shop I've ever seen. It is the entire downstairs of the shop. Don't know how to get there without a car, but there is a train station not far from there so I'll bet it is possible. Gene Hartstein From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 19 12:31:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jun 19 11:31:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chicago trip: things to see, shops? References: <3D0FE234.BDFE77FA@att.net> Message-ID: <001401c217be$bcf827c0$185204d0@jim> Don, You might try calling Mineral Miner at (847) 433-2413. Henry and Patsy usually have some nice stuff. They are located in Highland Park, IL. I don't know if you can get there by public transportation, but they can tell you. There's also the Lizzadro Museum of Lapidary Art in Elmhurst, if that interests you. Can't lay my hands on an address or phone number. Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don H To: rockhounds ; rocks-and-fossils Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Chicago trip: things to see, shops? > > Hi all, > > I will be attending a polarizing light microscopy class at the McCrone > Institute in Chicago, IL, from July 8-12. Since I am flying on a > frequent flyer ticket I must arrive a day early for a weekend stay. It > seems the Chicago Field Museum is a short distance away; I am wondering > what other museums or exhibits I should see, or if there are any > significant mineral or fossil shops in the area. I won't have a car so > I am limited to public transit. Any advice would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 20 11:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Trapp) Date: Thu Jun 20 10:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip References: Message-ID: <3D120B4D.4FF884BC@azgs.az.gov> This is a late reply to a message from a week ago. The situation that has been described in the Northwest is the exact same cause of limits that have been placed on a popular rockhounding area in Arizona called Diamond Point. The place became extremely popular when a few amethyst crystals were found about five years ago. The Tonto National Forest has designated a portion of the most heavily collected area as a Rockhounding Area but prohibited digging and breaking rock in that area last November; surface collecting is still allowed. "Professional" rockhounds were spending weeks camped out at the site digging pits that were up to 10 feet across and 4 feet deep and then just walking away without cleaning up the mess. Huge pits were dug within and along the edges of the main water drainages for the area, contributing to erosion and sedimentation problems. Many live trees, some over 6" in diameter, were felled. People were digging large holes in the ditches along the side of the main access road and throwing rocks as large as six inches out onto the roadway. All of this occurred within an area that has traditionally been a camping and family activity (including "casual" mineral collecting) area; tall pines, good access, many informal campsites, no developed areas at all. Be responsible when collecting. Unless you are in a mining area, clean up your mess. And when you see irresponsible behavior, report it to the proper authorities. Don't allow "professional" rockhounds (as opposed to "hobby" rockhounds; the difference is one of monetary profit) to ruin our hobby. Aaron Fox wrote: > > FWIW, I had a similar experience while collecting with Ron Winter up at > the White River Tree Farm. A short discussion with the timber company > reps indicated that they were glad people were using the land, but > destroying the road cuts cost them money, and blocking the ditches did > little to help the roads as well. > > Is the augite site worth a full day trip? > > Cheers! > > afox > > > Hi All: > > > > My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and took some material home to be sorted later. > > > > While I was collecting, a Timber employee drove by and informed me that I had better clean out the drainage ditch before I left. When I looked down there, there was a ton of material in the ditch left there by some previous rockhounds. I removed what I could, but there was just too much for me to manage with my leg. I'm writing this to let you know - if anyone knows who left the big mess up there - please tell them to go back and clean it out - or this might become another lost collecting location! > > > > BrianGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > -- > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 20 12:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Jun 20 11:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip References: <3D120B4D.4FF884BC@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <010d01c21884$c31cf600$1ecc94d1@dmschmidt> and people on this list often complain about how their recreational rockhounding "rights" are being infringed upon. now you know why. a few irresponsible twits ALWAYS wreck it for the responsible majority. Rick's right...collect responsibly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Trapp" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip > This is a late reply to a message from a week ago. > > The situation that has been described in the Northwest is the exact same > cause of limits that have been placed on a popular rockhounding area in > Arizona called Diamond Point. The place became extremely popular when a > few amethyst crystals were found about five years ago. The Tonto > National Forest has designated a portion of the most heavily collected > area as a Rockhounding Area but prohibited digging and breaking rock in > that area last November; surface collecting is still allowed. > "Professional" rockhounds were spending weeks camped out at the site > digging pits that were up to 10 feet across and 4 feet deep and then > just walking away without cleaning up the mess. Huge pits were dug > within and along the edges of the main water drainages for the area, > contributing to erosion and sedimentation problems. Many live trees, > some over 6" in diameter, were felled. People were digging large holes > in the ditches along the side of the main access road and throwing rocks > as large as six inches out onto the roadway. > > All of this occurred within an area that has traditionally been a > camping and family activity (including "casual" mineral collecting) > area; tall pines, good access, many informal campsites, no developed > areas at all. > > Be responsible when collecting. Unless you are in a mining area, clean > up your mess. And when you see irresponsible behavior, report it to the > proper authorities. Don't allow "professional" rockhounds (as opposed to > "hobby" rockhounds; the difference is one of monetary profit) to ruin > our hobby. > > > > Aaron Fox wrote: > > > > FWIW, I had a similar experience while collecting with Ron Winter up at > > the White River Tree Farm. A short discussion with the timber company > > reps indicated that they were glad people were using the land, but > > destroying the road cuts cost them money, and blocking the ditches did > > little to help the roads as well. > > > > Is the augite site worth a full day trip? > > > > Cheers! > > > > afox > > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and took some material home to be sorted later. > > > > > > While I was collecting, a Timber employee drove by and informed me that I had better clean out the drainage ditch before I left. When I looked down there, there was a ton of material in the ditch left there by some previous rockhounds. I removed what I could, but there was just too much for me to manage with my leg. I'm writing this to let you know - if anyone knows who left the big mess up there - please tell them to go back and clean it out - or this might become another lost collecting location! > > > > > > BrianGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > -- > > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > > BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- > Rick Trapp > Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 20 12:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Thu Jun 20 11:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline References: <6c.1da946a7.2a3a989c@aol.com> Message-ID: <007101c21885$12f8afc0$453d27c4@horstspc> Hi List, Blue tourmaline was found in small quantities in the Usakos area of Namibia. I don't know what the latest position is, but Sid Pieters of W Horstindhoek showed me some a few years ago, which his faceter was facetting in Windhoek (some still on the pegboard machine!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline > Hello, would you have any contact information? > > In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:55:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Gemelbaite@aol.com writes: > > > > If it does not have to be native I think Dale Swett has some real fine > > african blue tourmaline > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 20 12:27:05 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Jun 20 11:27:05 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline References: <6c.1da946a7.2a3a989c@aol.com> <007101c21885$12f8afc0$453d27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <012f01c21887$b170b380$1ecc94d1@dmschmidt> the Namibian tourmailne was coming outof the Neuschwab mine..... the operation produced phenomenal stones, some approaching 10K per carat, but they were soon shut down after it was discovered that profits from the mining were being channeled to supply arms for a rebel faction in a civil war (not sure which country.....half of the countries in Africa are in the middle of, or on the verge of, a civil war) ----- Original Message ----- From: "horstwindisch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline > Hi List, > > Blue tourmaline was found in small quantities in the Usakos area of Namibia. > I don't know what the latest position is, but Sid Pieters of W > > Horstindhoek showed me some a few years ago, which his faceter was facetting > in Windhoek (some still on the pegboard machine!!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] blue tourmaline > > > > Hello, would you have any contact information? > > > > In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:55:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > Gemelbaite@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > If it does not have to be native I think Dale Swett has some real fine > > > african blue tourmaline > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 20 15:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Thu Jun 20 14:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Message-ID: <4C2611F06A424F42B878304CE5AC4046029EE0@bluefin.nwifc.wa.gov> Is www.stonetrails.com still up. I recently tried to get their to get a map and it did not respond. Is anyone else having a problem reaching this site. Mike Messenger -----Original Message----- From: Brian Doll [mailto:rockhoundnut@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:37 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Hi Henry: Ron Winters web site has excellent directions to the site: http://www.stonetrails.com/WAlocs/Wildcat/wildcat.htm Click on the link at the bottom of the page for a very accurate map to the site. Expect a good 45 minute drive after you exit the freeway until you reach the site. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilmar Krocke Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:57 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Brian Doll2002.06.12 20:50rockhoundnut@hotmail.com Hi All: My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and took some material home to be sorted later. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Would you please be so kind and send me a description of where this site is or a scetch or a reference on the internet where either one can be found Thank you in advance Hilmar Krocke Vancouver --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhoundsGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 08:22:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jun 21 07:22:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <000801c2192e$3d759020$6d5204d0@jim> We've added a number of interesting new items to the list: Bergenite & Brownmillerite from the type localities in Germany. Akaganeite from a meteorite in China. Some new Mont Ste. Hilaire minerals, including Genthelvite, = Nenadkevichite, Petatasite, Raite & Ewaldite. There will be more MSH material in the next few weeks, and then I can = start on the material I collected out West. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 11:58:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (George Campbell) Date: Fri Jun 21 10:58:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: OsoSoft Update Message-ID: <200206211357_MC3-1-33F-F900@compuserve.com> Greetings: Just a quick notice that the last few weeks have been busy at the OsoSoft Mineral Connection. I've added tons of specimens to the New Arrivals Galleries, and put many specimens in the reduced price galleries, including many exceptional specimens. To have a look, drop by: http://www.osomin.com While you're there, be sure to check out our extensive databases of Mineral Exhibits and Mineral Dealers and Rockshops. If you're planning to travel this summer, you won't want to miss a chance to see some new museums or dealers. Best wishes, George Campbell OsoSoft Mineral Connection http://www.osomin.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 12:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Otis) Date: Fri Jun 21 11:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Catspaw New Email Address References: Message-ID: <3D137087.ABC116A0@earthlink.net> Gary, Would you be interested in trading for something from Magnet Cove, Arkansas?? or a piece of solution quartz from the discovery site of the now closed Jeffrey Quarry in Pulaski County, Arkansas? If you are, let me know. We have recently moved and a lot of it is still packed away, but I'm sure I can find something if you are interested. Teresa Otis "Catspaw (new)" wrote: > Hi all... > > I've finally broken down and scrounged my own domain. Henceforth, please > send all correspondense to: > > gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com > > I'll be making a web page up there some day in my copious (hah!) free time. > As in "after the attic has been finished". > > As always... MasMils PLUS disks are available for sale or trade. Give me a > hollar, eh? > > Regards, > Gary Brown > Catspaw Minerals > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 17:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Brian Doll) Date: Fri Jun 21 16:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Message-ID: Pageing Ron Winter..... You there? I also cannot get through to Stonetrails.com - hopefully Ron will have th= e page up soon. If not, I will send you specific directions to get there,= and if its ok with Ron, I can send you the map that I copied from Stonet= rails.com. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Messenger Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:52 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Is www.stonetrails.com still up. I recently tried to get their to get a = map and it did not respond. Is anyone else having a problem reaching this= site. Mike Messenger -----Original Message----- From: Brian Doll [mailto:rockhoundnut@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:37 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Hi Henry: Ron Winters web site has excellent directions to the site: http://www.stonetrails.com/WAlocs/Wildcat/wildcat.htm Click on the link at the bottom of the page for a very accurate map to th= e site. Expect a good 45 minute drive after you exit the freeway until yo= u reach the site. =20 Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilmar Krocke Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:57 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AUGITE trip Brian Doll2002.06.12 20:50rockhoundnut@hotmail.com Hi All: My wife and I went down to the Augite collecting area in Lewis County, Washington today. As expected, there were plenty of nice little crystals to be found. Being still limited by my recovering leg, I just surface collected, and t= ook some material home to be sorted later. _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ___ Would you please be so kind and send me a description of where this site= is or a scetch or a reference on the internet where either one can be found Thank you in advance Hilmar Krocke Vancouver --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhoundsGet more from the Web= . 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 21:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 21 20:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes Message-ID: <3D13E938.2B16@Tomaszewski.net> I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 22:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TFAJr) Date: Fri Jun 21 21:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback In-Reply-To: <3D13E938.2B16@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I have developed what I think is a pretty nifty method of displaying thumbnail specimens and was wondering if there would be any interest out there in the collecting community. Some of the problems I have always had with "perky boxes" were (1) the label is usually attached at the back thus preventing one from being able to view the back of the specimen, and one has to look "around" the specimen in order to see the label, (2) to open the box one has to use some considerable skill and occasionally if the specimen is not firmly glued in it can drop out, and if one is a bit fumble fingered it is not that difficult to drop the box, (3) very nice thumbs should be viewed from all sides and the only way to do that is to actually pick up the box and rotate in ones hands (a sometimes dangerous thing to do). I think that my new system eliminates these problems. It requires the addition to the bottom of the box a fastener that can then be used to fasten it onto a pedestal onto which the engraved label is attached (engraving is one of my sideline jobs). A printed label can of course be used with double faced tape and I am planning on supplying a couple of MS Word files and/or MS Publisher files for that reason. The pedestal is then mounted on a small "lazy-Susan" turntable, that enables the specimen to be rotated even with the top open. The beauty of it is that the although the box is attached to the stand, it is completely removable--but the resistance to remove it is more than the resistance of the box lid. Therefore, to open the box, one has simply to pull the top up. No fumbling with those little catches. The stand itself can be attached to a shelf (and yet is removable), so that there is no risk of the box being accidentally knocked off the shelf. For the dealer this removability means that he can display a specimen securely, and once sold, simply remove it from the stand and replace it with another. And since the box and pedestal rotate, it is posible to have a label on the back as well as the front of the pedestal. The pedestals can be make out of a variety of materials, but what I have in mind is white or black plastic and hardwoods. I am not quite at liberty to show pictures of it yet (my design professor always said not to show a product until it was completed), but was curious to know if there would be an interest in such a system. I also do custom engraving if one wants some really classy labels. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 21 23:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Fri Jun 21 22:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes In-Reply-To: <3D13E938.2B16@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Kreigh Tomaszewski2002.06.21 20:04Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? ________________________________________________________ look up : http://www.amacbox.com/line/linecore.html their boxes are really excellent quality Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 06:38:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jun 22 05:38:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes Message-ID: <173.a201c78.2a45c97d@aol.com> Hi Kreigh. Unsure exactly what you are looking for, have you tried Althor Products? They are in CT, I am not aware of any website for them, but believe their phone number is (203) 762-0796 -Ron In a message dated 6/21/2002 11:06:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: > I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am > having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? > Minerals? check out http://hammerron.com/minerals.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 07:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jun 22 06:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes References: <173.a201c78.2a45c97d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c219ef$2d1c4220$5f5204d0@jim> Althor does have a website: http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/althor/ Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes > Hi Kreigh. Unsure exactly what you are looking for, have you tried Althor > Products? They are in CT, I am not aware of any website for them, but believe > their phone number is (203) 762-0796 -Ron > > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 11:06:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: > > > > I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am > > having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Minerals? check out http://hammerron.com/minerals.htm > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 09:08:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jun 22 08:08:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Status of Hansen Creek, WA? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622080723.015e0080@mail.spiritone.com> Aaron, AFAIK that is still the case. Glen Morita will know more he is the owner of the WA Min Council site... At 02:58 PM 6/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Anybody know if the WSMC claim is still closed to collecting? I checked >their home page: http://members.aol.com/washminrl/wsmc.htm >and didn't see anything. > >Last I remember, WSMC relinquished the claim to the Forest Service due to >a couple of jerkwads who started fires to ward off bugs. > >d. > >-- >afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request >BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 12:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Sat Jun 22 11:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller of Bob's Rock Shop? References: Message-ID: <003901c21a17$acf98980$fd05efd1@oemcomputer> Can anybody tell me whether Bob Keller is off on another Grand Canyon tour or something? I've been trying to contact him for a long time now, without any response. Thanks, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 12:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (George Campbell) Date: Sat Jun 22 11:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller of Bob's Rock Shop? Message-ID: <200206221412_MC3-1-34A-FEC6@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Can anybody tell me whether Bob Keller is off on another Grand Canyon tour or something? I've been trying to contact him for a long time now, without any response. < Tim, I haven't heard from him in a very long time. George Campbell OsoSoft Mineral Connection From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 12:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Sat Jun 22 11:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller of Bob's Rock Shop? References: <003901c21a17$acf98980$fd05efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D14C6EF.6070405@earthlink.net> Tim Jokela wrote: >Can anybody tell me whether Bob Keller is off on another Grand Canyon tour or something? I've been trying to contact him for a long time now, without any response. > I'm not sure what "a long time" means, but he was posting on RockNet just a couple of weeks ago (6/6/02). Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 22 19:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Jun 22 18:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Chicago trip: things to see, shops? References: <3D0FE234.BDFE77FA@att.net> <001401c217be$bcf827c0$185204d0@jim> Message-ID: <3D151F54.8CD22C68@att.net> Many thanks for all the kind replies about Chicago. Given the that Sunday is my only truly free day, I'll probably stick to the Field Museum. And ethnic food! I also have another mission--my father collects miniature figural liquor bottles, and Chicago is supposedly a big town for these, so if anybody has ideas on dealing with THAT off-topic mission, please e-mail me off list. Thanks again, Don Halterman From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 23 03:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sun Jun 23 02:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes References: <3D13E938.2B16@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003c01c21a97$0f798040$c53d27c4@horstspc> Hi Kreigh, I know of a supplier of tghese larger boxes in Germany, from whom I have ordered over ther past decade or so. Their address is Stereo-Optik Renate Grosch, Mainstrasse 13, D-63128 Dietzenbach, GERMANY They also have a website www.stereo-optik-grosch-de and they offer the following sizes:- 30 01 (28x28x22mm) 30 01A (27x27x26 black bottom) 30 02B (41x35x24 mm) 30 02 (41x35x32 mm) 30 03B (59x41x22 mm) 30 03 (59x41x35 mm) 30 04B (81x59x24 mm) 30 04 (81x59x36 mm) 30 04 81x59x36) 30 05 (81x81x36 mm) 30 06 (81x59x63 mm) 30 0 7 (81x81x77 mm) 30 13 (50x50x55 mm) 30 14 (180x120x88 mm) 30 16 120x90x68 mm) They also stock 2 sizes of boxes with magnifying lids. Also, if you order in large quantities, there is a discount varying between 10% and 30% and if you order in STANDARD QUANTITY SIZED BOXES, the discount is 33% Of course you would have to pay in Euros and depending upon which country you reside in, there may be import duty and sales tax on (although you do not pay the German Value Added Tax), plus postage of course and in these days, most large parcels I transported over weekends by air luggage post, so I never wait more than 2 weeks for a consignment to reach me in South Africa. Horst---- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 5:04 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes > I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am > having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 23 04:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Sun Jun 23 03:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes References: <3D13E938.2B16@Tomaszewski.net> <003c01c21a97$0f798040$c53d27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <000701c21aa0$4a9fc770$25a588d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Hi Kreigh, Also worthwile is : www.krantz-online.de under 'ausrüstung' then 'kästchen'. You can also order their catalogue online. Rgds, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "horstwindisch" To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes > Hi Kreigh, > > I know of a supplier of tghese larger boxes in Germany, from whom I have > ordered over ther past decade or so. Their address is Stereo-Optik Renate > Grosch, Mainstrasse 13, D-63128 Dietzenbach, GERMANY They also have a > website www.stereo-optik-grosch-de and they offer the following sizes:- > 30 01 (28x28x22mm) 30 01A (27x27x26 black bottom) > 30 02B (41x35x24 mm) > 30 02 (41x35x32 mm) 30 03B (59x41x22 mm) > 30 03 (59x41x35 mm) > 30 04B (81x59x24 mm) 30 04 (81x59x36 mm) > 30 04 81x59x36) > 30 05 (81x81x36 mm) 30 06 (81x59x63 mm) > 30 0 7 (81x81x77 mm) > 30 13 (50x50x55 mm) 30 14 (180x120x88 mm) > 30 16 120x90x68 mm) > > They also stock 2 sizes of boxes with magnifying lids. Also, if you order in > large quantities, there is a discount varying between 10% and 30% and if you > order in STANDARD QUANTITY SIZED BOXES, the discount is 33% > > Of course you would have to pay in Euros and depending upon which country > you reside in, there may be import duty and sales tax on (although you do > not pay the German Value Added Tax), plus postage of course and in these > days, most large parcels I transported over weekends by air luggage post, so > I never wait more than 2 weeks for a consignment to reach me in South > Africa. > > Horst---- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 5:04 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes > > > > I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am > > having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 23 06:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Jun 23 05:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes In-Reply-To: <003c01c21a97$0f798040$c53d27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: Dear Horst et al., Sorry, but the mentioned URL does not work. It should be www.stereo-optik-grosch.de (. instead of -) Regards, Rik Dillen -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of horstwindisch Sent: 23 June, 2002 11:09 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes Hi Kreigh, I know of a supplier of tghese larger boxes in Germany, from whom I have ordered over ther past decade or so. Their address is Stereo-Optik Renate Grosch, Mainstrasse 13, D-63128 Dietzenbach, GERMANY They also have a website www.stereo-optik-grosch-de and they offer the following sizes:- 30 01 (28x28x22mm) 30 01A (27x27x26 black bottom) 30 02B (41x35x24 mm) 30 02 (41x35x32 mm) 30 03B (59x41x22 mm) 30 03 (59x41x35 mm) 30 04B (81x59x24 mm) 30 04 (81x59x36 mm) 30 04 81x59x36) 30 05 (81x81x36 mm) 30 06 (81x59x63 mm) 30 0 7 (81x81x77 mm) 30 13 (50x50x55 mm) 30 14 (180x120x88 mm) 30 16 120x90x68 mm) They also stock 2 sizes of boxes with magnifying lids. Also, if you order in large quantities, there is a discount varying between 10% and 30% and if you order in STANDARD QUANTITY SIZED BOXES, the discount is 33% Of course you would have to pay in Euros and depending upon which country you reside in, there may be import duty and sales tax on (although you do not pay the German Value Added Tax), plus postage of course and in these days, most large parcels I transported over weekends by air luggage post, so I never wait more than 2 weeks for a consignment to reach me in South Africa. Horst---- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 5:04 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes > I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am > having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 23 10:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green) Date: Sun Jun 23 09:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock collecting locations in Montana between Yellowstone & Glacier National Parks Message-ID: <000a01c21ad1$8364bee0$9600000a@alltel.net> Our family will be on vacation shortly to Yellowstone National Park and = from there on to Glacier National Park via Butte, Helena and Great = Falls, Montana. Please advise of any good locations to gather rocks = and minerals in this area. I am particularly interested in finding = highly crystaline rocks that I can use to make the bases for wire wrap = trees that I make (quartz, amethyst, etc).=20 Thank you. Paul Green --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 23 10:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sun Jun 23 09:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] CAR ACCIDENT References: <000201c20fc2$6e9dc2a0$5c4127c4@horstspc> <00a701c21570$387f9140$5a01560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00d701c21ad2$b68acfc0$0100007f@horstspc> Dear Pete, Many thanks for your good wishes. As mentioned, I was discharged from hospital on the 7th June, but on Sunday, 16th June, I fainted in our home whilst walking from the bedroom to the lounge, wanting to see the 8 o'clock TV news .Fell on my face, got a blue eye and more cuts on my forehead, necessitating a trip to the Casualty Section of our hospital, to have more stitches inserted in my forehead!! Have been ordered to take it VERY EASY (which is DIFFICULT!!), have a car driving ban for at least three months (may turn out to be a year!!) Will keep in touch Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] CAR ACCIDENT > Dear Horst, > > I was sorry to hear about your injury in the car accident, so a good wish > (if a bit tardy) from me too, for your continued, if prolonged, recovery. > > Also, to Teresa, sorry to hear about your injury too, best luck in recovery > to you also. > > Sincerely, Pete > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 24 11:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jun 24 10:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616150026.02136960@mail.aloha.net> References: <3d.1fc454fe.2a3e6b08@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624100822.016b15f8@mail.spiritone.com> I applaud your judgement Kitty. My sentiments exactly. If there were less people who were so eager to participate in the invasion of their own privacy it would be illegal to even request this sort of information in order to grant access to web content. At 03:16 PM 6/16/2002 -1000, you wrote: >I tried to go to the site you posted, John, but was confronted with a >"free" membership requirement. I guess I'm a stick-in-the-mud, but I was >offended by the NY Times "required fields" even if they say they will >"respect my privacy." Just why do they need to know my gender, zip code, >year of birth, household income range, job title, job function, and >industry in which I work? I'm sorry about the death of John Sinkankas; I >don't know who he was, but to find out I will go to the library or news >stand rather than submit to that survey. Yes, I could make up a bunch of >stuff, but I won't play their game, even in a tricky fashion. > >Thanks for attempting to share anyway. >Kitty > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 24 11:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Trapp) Date: Mon Jun 24 10:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today References: <3d.1fc454fe.2a3e6b08@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020624100822.016b15f8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3D17545E.8DA43F7B@azgs.az.gov> And now to get completely off-subject..... If you think things are bad now check out the vision of the near-future in the new movie "The Minority Report" Tim Fisher wrote: > > I applaud your judgement Kitty. My sentiments exactly. If there were less > people who were so eager to participate in the invasion of their own > privacy it would be illegal to even request this sort of information in > order to grant access to web content. > > At 03:16 PM 6/16/2002 -1000, you wrote: > >I tried to go to the site you posted, John, but was confronted with a > >"free" membership requirement. I guess I'm a stick-in-the-mud, but I was > >offended by the NY Times "required fields" even if they say they will > >"respect my privacy." Just why do they need to know my gender, zip code, > >year of birth, household income range, job title, job function, and > >industry in which I work? I'm sorry about the death of John Sinkankas; I > >don't know who he was, but to find out I will go to the library or news > >stand rather than submit to that survey. Yes, I could make up a bunch of > >stuff, but I won't play their game, even in a tricky fashion. > > > >Thanks for attempting to share anyway. > >Kitty > > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Rick Trapp Geologist, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 24 11:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Mon Jun 24 10:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today Message-ID: For-What-It's-Worth Department: I've been a subscriber to the NY Times on-line for two years now, and all I get from them is news. No ads, no promotions, just news. I've also noticed no increase at all in ads from other groups. The Times does indeed seem to be respecting my privacy, and I've much enjoyed having continously updated news at my fingertips all day at work. It's been worth it to me. Just wanted to pass this reassurance along in case anyone still wanted to access the Sinkankas obit. Cheers- Earl Verbeek _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 24 12:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Masters) Date: Mon Jun 24 11:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sinkankas Obituary in NY Times Today References: Message-ID: <3D1768E1.7C72CE7B@cox.net> earl verbeek wrote: > For-What-It's-Worth Department: Earl, I did complete the quiry, as under my old @home address I had also subscribed for at least a couple of years. The NY Times was never invasive, sent nothing unsolicited, and was definitely worth resubscribing to at this opportunity. The Sinkankas piece was excellent, and makes one wonder why he did not have more recognition within our community. He certainly gave us an incredible wealth of knowledge. Reading this piece makes one realize how far ahead he was in this field. A genuine treasure left us. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 25 17:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Jun 25 16:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pseudomorph information help Message-ID: <001d01c21ca1$af783bc0$c785a141@jgcornish> Hi All, I enjoy pseudomorphs and was fortunate to have acquired a specimen = several years ago which has always piqued my interest and I'm wondering = if any of you can help with a couple of questions. My specimen is of = quartz replaced by opal from Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil and has an = accompanying label signed by Martin Ehrmann dated 3/24/62. I'm curious = to know more information as to the occurrence of these beautiful = specimens (mine is a perfectly terminated single crystal roughly 2 = inches tall and a bit more then that in diameter) and Mr. Ehrmann's = connection to them. Also, were these ever plentiful or ? Thank you ever = so much, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 25 18:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Tue Jun 25 17:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pseudomorph information help Message-ID: <200206260012.g5Q0C9m04776@mail.his.com> > My specimen is of quartz replaced by opal from Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil Dear John, What kind of opal? Does it have play of color? Cathy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 25 20:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 25 19:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Plastic Boxes References: <3D13E938.2B16@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3D19282F.2DE@Tomaszewski.net> I want to thank everyone who responded, on and off list, for their suggestions. With your help I have located a couple of suppliers. This is a great list, thank you all for sharing! Kreigh Tomaszewski Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > I have a couple good suppliers for the standard 'perky' boxes, but am > having problems finding a supplier of the larger sizes. Any suggestions? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 26 16:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 26 15:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock collecting locations in Montana between Yellowstone & G... Message-ID: <103.175ebbf2.2a4b9a36@aol.com> Paul, My wife and I have gone to Phillipsburg, MT the last two years to dig for sapphires. The location is called Gem Mountain and we have been pleased with the material we have collected there. They are about thirty-five miles west of Butte. I just got a brochure from them. You can call them toll free at 1-866-459-4367. They are open seven days a week, from nine to dusk. If you want to you can dig your own or buy one of their five gallon buckets. We have had very good luck, either way. They also have camping sites for $5.00 a night but they don't have showers, yet. Hope this helps, Pat Monroe From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 27 11:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jun 27 10:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report Message-ID: <000801c21e02$973e3700$505204d0@jim> On Tuesday, May 14, Barb & I left our home in Indiana and headed west on = I-80. We stopped for lunch in the parking lot of the Iowa Welcome Center = overlooking the Mississippi River, then continued on to Omaha, where we = spent the night. The next day we made it as far as Cheyenne, Wyoming. = When we left Cheyenne on Thursday morning we ran into heavy fog going up = into the mountains that slowed us down a lot. It burned off before noon, = though. Our first stops to collect (or try to collect) were on Thursday. We got = off the interstate at Red Desert, WY to look for the uranium mines = there, but had no luck. It wasn't too surprising, since I had no = information to go on, other than a specimen label that said: = Schrockingerite, Red Desert, Wamsutter, WY. >From there, we continued west on I-80 to Green River, WY to check out = the Trona mines. We got off and followed signs to an FMC mine, but found = it to be operating and posted. On the way back to the highway we turned = off on another dirt road that appeared to head toward the mine, but = ended in a sand & gravel pit. There was a small, weathered sign that = said Gorge SAnd & Gravel. There was no activity we could see. I picked = up a piece of what looks like Trona, and some agates. From there, we = drove to Park City, Utah for our overnight stop. From the Hampton Inn = where we stayed, you could see the Olympic ski jump. The next day we drove to Cedar City, Utah, where we had planned to spend = two nights so that I could collect at the iron mines in the Iron Springs = area just to the west. That afternoon we drove in to Las Vegas to see = the light show on Fremont St.=20 The Iron Springs area is easy to get to, if you have a high-clearance = vehicle, and the collecting is very easy. Thanks for the directions, = Margaret!) When the angle of the sun is right, you can see the sparkle = of the faces of the Magnetite crystals in the dirt. All you have to do = is crawl along and pick up the sharp octahedrons. When I returned to the motel, Barb called her brother in Riverside, = California to say we would meet him earlier on Sunday in Primm, Nevada = than we had planned, since we wouldn't stop in Vegas. We learned from = his wife that he had died that morning of a sudden heart attack. We left = Cedar City immediately, made a quick overnight stop in Primm, NV, and = went directly to Riverside. We were in California about a week for the = funeral, staying at the homes of two nephews. I did manage to get one collecting trip in while in California. On = Tuesday, May 21 my nephew Larry took me to the Blue Bell Mine, near = Baker, CA. It was only about a 90 minute drive from his home near = Hesperia. We got off I-15 at the ZZyzx Road exit and followed the = directions in an article published by the San Bernardino Count Museum = that Chris Peluso had sent me (Thanks, Chris!) We were able to drive to = within about a quarter mile of the mine, and Larry's van could go no = further. I still think my van, with 4-wheel drive, would have made it. = In any case, I walked up to the mine. The adit was open, but I didn't go = in, for a number of reasons: I had no light source, I was alone up there = (Larry had stayed with the van), and there's no telling what sort of = indigenous creatures might have made there home in there! I did collect = some interesting stuffon the tailing piles, though. I haven't gotten = around to looking at it under the scope, yet, so I'm not sure what I = got. We left California on Sunday, May 28, and drove to my daughter Sue's = home in Mesa, AZ. From there I made a number of trips with my son-in-law = Don and my grandson Patrick. On Wednesday, May 29 we headed down to the Dripping Springs Mountains. = First stop was the visitor's center for the Ray Mine. It's basically a = scenic overlook, where you look down into a HUGE open pit mine. The big = trucks and other equipment look like ants down there! We then went to the Finch Mine near Hayden, AZ. We got off Highway 177 = at Hayden Junction and went up a dirt road to the northeast, following = directions in Minerals of Arizona, by Neil Bearce. The directions were = perfect. We drove right to it. I can highly recommend this book. All the = directions we followed were excellent, as were the difficulty ratings he = assigns. It's also quite reasonable. I got it from Amazon for around = $20. The Finch Mine is a single tunnel that goes in about 200 feet, = turns to follow the contact zone, then turns again and comes back out. = We didn't go in very far. I didn't like the looks of the timbering, and = the tunnel was very low- even Patrick had to stoop! We collected some = nice Wulfenite coated with drusy Quartz. >From the Finch, we decided to try the localities near Klondyke that are = described in Bearce's book. It looked close on the map. The problem was, = there's no direct route from Hayden to Klondyke. You have to go up 77 to = Globe, then back down US 70 to Fort Thomas, and 33 miles of dirt road to = Klondyke (population 5). We first tried the Dogwater and Grand Reef = mines, but ran into a gate and some warning signs. We then continued up = the road to the Iron Cap mine. This involved a fairly steep climb for = 100 yards or so after the van went as far a it could go. We collected = some nice Quartz crystals, Pyrite, Hematite, Galena, Johannsenite, and = some other interesting micros. The next day, Thursday, we went to the Rowley Mine, Theba, AZ (near Gila = Bend). This isn't in the Bearce book, so I called David Shannon for = directions. His directions were also excellent. Except for one spot just = where you get off Painted Rocks Rd. onto a dirt road, it's an easy = drive. We picked up a lot of Wulfenite, etc., but didn't spend much time = there. It was 109 degrees, and no shade. Besides, we had to get back to = Mesa for my grandson Matthew's High School graduation that evening. On Saturday we went up to the Wickenburg area. First stop was the geode = area described by Bearce, on Constellation Rd. This involved a climb up = a hill, but once there the collecting was easy. The geodes only = contained Quartz as far I've seen. We then continued up Constellation = Rd. toward Amazon Gulch, where there is an old vanadium mine. The road = gets worse the farther you drive. When it got down to the width of the = van and was winding around the edge of a mountain, I chickened out. We = turned around as soon as we could find a place to do so. We did see a = small prospect right where we turned around, and I collected a few = pieces to be looked at later. On Sunday, June 2, we left Mesa to head home. Our first stop was in Show = Low, AZ, to visit another grandson and his family. It's a beautiful area = (or was). We were horrified to learn only 2 weeks later of the = destruction caused by forest fires. At last report, David and his family = are OK. They were evacuated, though. >From Show Low, we continued on to Socorro, New Mexico. We stayed 2 = nights in Socorro so I could collect. On Monday I went to the Blanchard = Rock Shop outside Bingham, NM on Route 380. THere I met the proprietors, = Allison Nilsen and Wayne Holland, and arranged to collect at the Desert = Rose Mine, which they own. The mine is about 5 miles behind the rock = shop, on an easy road. I parked right at the collecting area, and = collected some nice Galena crystals embedded in matrix (Hopefuly, they = will come out with acid), Barite, and especially Fluorite. The Fluorite = is really great- both blue and green, and interesting crystal forms, = including tetrahexahedrons. After leaving Bingham, I stopped at the San Marcial Quarry, off I-25 a = few miles further south. There was a chain across the entrance, so I = just piced up some material that looked vuggy near the entrance, and = headed back to Socorro. Tuesday we drove as far as Elk City, Oklahoma, and then on Wednesday, = June 5, went to Missouri. We stopped in Oronogo, MO at the Oronogo = Circle Mine on CR MM, just south of Rt. 96. This is supposedly one of = the last mine dumps in the Joplin area. The rest have all been = reclaimed. I saw no signs or gates, but a man across tghe road advised = me that the local police were citing trespassers, so I contented myself = with walking along the road, where I picked up some rock containing = Galena. After an overnight stop in Rolla, MO, we made it back home on Thursday, = June 6. There are a number of pictures from this trip on my website. Just follow = the Field Trip links. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 27 14:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Thu Jun 27 13:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report References: <000801c21e02$973e3700$505204d0@jim> Message-ID: <3D1B7B8C.B9D5AD9D@amug.org> Great report Jim. You spent a fair amount of collecting time in some pretty hot weather. I think the coating on your Wulfenite from the Finch Mine may be Hemimorphite, especially the blue coating in the photo on your website. The Hemimorphite on Wulfenite is what the Finch is famous for. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona Jim Daly wrote: > The Finch Mine is a single tunnel that goes in about 200 feet, turns to follow the contact zone, then turns again and comes back out. We didn't go in very far. I didn't like the looks of the timbering, and the tunnel was very low- even Patrick had to stoop! We collected some nice Wulfenite coated with drusy Quartz. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 28 15:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Jun 28 14:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pseudomorph information help References: <200206260012.g5Q0C9m04776@mail.his.com> Message-ID: <008401c21eec$138e4040$c785a141@jgcornish> Hi Cathy, No, it does not have play of color. It is poorly translucent common opal and is rather unremarkable other then its perfect sharp mimicry of the quartz crystal form. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Gaber" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Pseudomorph information help > > My specimen is of quartz replaced by opal from Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil > > Dear John, > > What kind of opal? Does it have play of color? > > Cathy > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 28 16:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jun 28 15:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report References: <000801c21e02$973e3700$505204d0@jim> <3D1B7B8C.B9D5AD9D@amug.org> Message-ID: <002401c21eee$a95eb080$6e5204d0@jim> Hi John, Thanks! I went back and took a closer look, and the coating is indeed Hemimorphite. I do have some other specimens with a Quartz coating that came from a dealer in your area, and he implied that everything there is coated with Quartz. I guess there's a lesson to be learned - don't jump to conclusions! Jim Daly ----- Original Message ----- From: John McLaughlin To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Field trip report > Great report Jim. You spent a fair amount of collecting time in some pretty hot weather. I think the coating on your Wulfenite from the Finch Mine may be Hemimorphite, especially the blue coating in the photo on your website. The Hemimorphite on Wulfenite is what the Finch is famous for. > > John McLaughlin > Glendale, Arizona > > Jim Daly wrote: > > > The Finch Mine is a single tunnel that goes in about 200 feet, turns to follow the contact zone, then turns again and comes back out. We didn't go in very far. I didn't like the looks of the timbering, and the tunnel was very low- even Patrick had to stoop! We collected some nice Wulfenite coated with drusy Quartz. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 10:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sat Jun 29 09:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback References: Message-ID: <008901c21f8b$d730a5c0$0100007f@horstspc> Hi Tommy, Still quite not understand your method - a sketch is worth a thousand words, Also, as I am not a USA resident, don't know what a "lazy-Susan" turntable is. If you wish to reply privately, you can contact me on horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za (leave out the " marks. Certainly sounds interesting. Posdsibly there would be a market for this idea amongst local (South African ) mineral collectors. Kind regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "TFAJr" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:43 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback > I have developed what I think is a pretty nifty method of displaying > thumbnail specimens and was wondering if there would be any interest out > there in the collecting community. Some of the problems I have always had > with "perky boxes" were (1) the label is usually attached at the back thus > preventing one from being able to view the back of the specimen, and one has > to look "around" the specimen in order to see the label, (2) to open the box > one has to use some considerable skill and occasionally if the specimen is > not firmly glued in it can drop out, and if one is a bit fumble fingered it > is not that difficult to drop the box, (3) very nice thumbs should be viewed > from all sides and the only way to do that is to actually pick up the box > and rotate in ones hands (a sometimes dangerous thing to do). > > I think that my new system eliminates these problems. It requires the > addition to the bottom of the box a fastener that can then be used to fasten > it onto a pedestal onto which the engraved label is attached (engraving is > one of my sideline jobs). A printed label can of course be used with double > faced tape and I am planning on supplying a couple of MS Word files and/or > MS Publisher files for that reason. The pedestal is then mounted on a small > "lazy-Susan" turntable, that enables the specimen to be rotated even with > the top open. > > The beauty of it is that the although the box is attached to the stand, it > is completely removable--but the resistance to remove it is more than the > resistance of the box lid. Therefore, to open the box, one has simply to > pull the top up. No fumbling with those little catches. The stand itself can > be attached to a shelf (and yet is removable), so that there is no risk of > the box being accidentally knocked off the shelf. For the dealer this > removability means that he can display a specimen securely, and once sold, > simply remove it from the stand and replace it with another. And since the > box and pedestal rotate, it is posible to have a label on the back as well > as the front of the pedestal. > > The pedestals can be make out of a variety of materials, but what I have in > mind is white or black plastic and hardwoods. > > I am not quite at liberty to show pictures of it yet (my design professor > always said not to show a product until it was completed), but was curious > to know if there would be an interest in such a system. > > I also do custom engraving if one wants some really classy labels. > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 11:48:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Jun 29 10:48:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback References: <008901c21f8b$d730a5c0$0100007f@horstspc> Message-ID: <3D1DF3CC.793D5E85@att.net> I will generally agree with Horst on this one. It sounds good, but I can't quite visualize it. As far as what people will and will not pay for, I can offer no guess. I've always been bad at figuring that out. However, I will say this: I've been told by more than one collector that they'd rather spend their money on minerals than do-dads; they make tools and gadgets themselves. Maybe, just maybe, you can produce a prototype of this system, take some quality photos, and Rock & Gem will give it a small feature. You can always write to them and ask. Good luck, Don horstwindisch wrote: > > Hi Tommy, > > Still quite not understand your method - a sketch is worth a thousand words, > Also, as I am not a USA resident, don't know what a "lazy-Susan" turntable > is. If you wish to reply privately, you can contact me on > horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za > (leave out the " marks. Certainly sounds interesting. Posdsibly there would > be a market for this idea amongst local (South African ) mineral collectors. > Kind regards, > > Horst -- Join the /"\ ASCII Ribbon \ / Campaign against x HTML e-mail / \ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 14:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jun 29 13:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] info req..trip to Queretaro de Arteaga Message-ID: <3D1DD3FF.23735.347C75@localhost> I'm making a short trip to Queretaro de Arteaga, Mexico in a few weeks. Does anyone have info on collecting possibilities, visits to mines, contacts/miners, etc? I've been doing a little research which indicates the area is known for its silver, and opals, as well as other minerals. However, the info is very sketchy. Any help would be appreciated. Paul Bordovsky "A smile increases your face value." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 14:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ron Winter) Date: Sat Jun 29 13:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Embargo off Message-ID: <3D1E1CFE.B7556224@gte.net> Hiatus terminated, embargo off. www.stonetrails.com "should" be up and running within the day, as reported to me by someone at VeriSign Incorporated. For future reference, if www.stonetrails.com should fail, access to my website can be gained via this numerical address: http://208.55.230.59/ -- Regards, Ron Winter; http://www.stonetrails.com Email: mailto:Ron@stonetrails.com In search of: The Mother of All Geodes! Copyright © Circa 2002 Ron Winter From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 17:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Sorrell) Date: Sat Jun 29 16:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanging Wall Back Message-ID: <200206292329.g5TNTGtq014760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all I have resurrected the Hanging Wall at crocoite.com I have included the first two of my oil paintings (I'm currently doing an Adult Education course). One of them even has a rock in it! You can check out my artwork at http://www.crocoite.com/hangingwall Regards Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 17:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sat Jun 29 16:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback References: <008901c21f8b$d730a5c0$0100007f@horstspc> Message-ID: <3D1E4832.135B@rcn.com> A lazy Susan -- "A lazy person who is named susan" --Picture a circular, flat board on the middle of a table with several plates of different kinds of foods on it. People can sit in one spot and instead of passing plates of food around to each other they can turn the 'lazy susan" to reach a different place. GeorgiaO __..__..__..__ Sort of like a smorgsborg on 'wheels' --**--**--**--** TAKE CARE __ horstwindisch wrote: > > Hi Tommy, > > Still quite not understand your method - a sketch is worth a thousand words, > Also, as I am not a USA resident, don't know what a "lazy-Susan" turntable > is. If you wish to reply privately, you can contact me on > horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za > (leave out the " marks. Certainly sounds interesting. Posdsibly there would > be a market for this idea amongst local (South African ) mineral collectors. > Kind regards, > > Horst > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TFAJr" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:43 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback > > > I have developed what I think is a pretty nifty method of displaying > > thumbnail specimens and was wondering if there would be any interest out > > there in the collecting community. Some of the problems I have always had > > with "perky boxes" were (1) the label is usually attached at the back thus > > preventing one from being able to view the back of the specimen, and one > has > > to look "around" the specimen in order to see the label, (2) to open the > box > > one has to use some considerable skill and occasionally if the specimen is > > not firmly glued in it can drop out, and if one is a bit fumble fingered > it > > is not that difficult to drop the box, (3) very nice thumbs should be > viewed > > from all sides and the only way to do that is to actually pick up the box > > and rotate in ones hands (a sometimes dangerous thing to do). > > > > I think that my new system eliminates these problems. It requires the > > addition to the bottom of the box a fastener that can then be used to > fasten > > it onto a pedestal onto which the engraved label is attached (engraving is > > one of my sideline jobs). A printed label can of course be used with > double > > faced tape and I am planning on supplying a couple of MS Word files and/or > > MS Publisher files for that reason. The pedestal is then mounted on a > small > > "lazy-Susan" turntable, that enables the specimen to be rotated even with > > the top open. > > > > The beauty of it is that the although the box is attached to the stand, it > > is completely removable--but the resistance to remove it is more than the > > resistance of the box lid. Therefore, to open the box, one has simply to > > pull the top up. No fumbling with those little catches. The stand itself > can > > be attached to a shelf (and yet is removable), so that there is no risk of > > the box being accidentally knocked off the shelf. For the dealer this > > removability means that he can display a specimen securely, and once sold, > > simply remove it from the stand and replace it with another. And since the > > box and pedestal rotate, it is posible to have a label on the back as well > > as the front of the pedestal. > > > > The pedestals can be make out of a variety of materials, but what I have > in > > mind is white or black plastic and hardwoods. > > > > I am not quite at liberty to show pictures of it yet (my design professor > > always said not to show a product until it was completed), but was curious > > to know if there would be an interest in such a system. > > > > I also do custom engraving if one wants some really classy labels. > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 18:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Jun 29 17:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback References: <008901c21f8b$d730a5c0$0100007f@horstspc> <3D1E4832.135B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006d01c21fc7$731e1720$421cbed8@powertech.net> And, I would add, the flat board is on a pivot. And usually round. Like the turntable on an old-fashioned phonograph. Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick L. Olmstead" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback > A lazy Susan > -- "A lazy person who is named susan" > > --Picture a circular, flat board on the middle of a table with several > plates of different kinds of foods > on it. People can sit in one spot and instead of passing plates of food > around to each other they can turn the 'lazy susan" to reach a different > place. > > GeorgiaO > __..__..__..__ > Sort of like a smorgsborg on 'wheels' > --**--**--**--** > TAKE CARE > > __ > > horstwindisch wrote: > > > > Hi Tommy, > > > > Still quite not understand your method - a sketch is worth a thousand words, > > Also, as I am not a USA resident, don't know what a "lazy-Susan" turntable > > is. If you wish to reply privately, you can contact me on > > horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za > > (leave out the " marks. Certainly sounds interesting. Posdsibly there would > > be a market for this idea amongst local (South African ) mineral collectors. > > Kind regards, > > > > Horst > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TFAJr" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:43 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback > > > > > I have developed what I think is a pretty nifty method of displaying > > > thumbnail specimens and was wondering if there would be any interest out > > > there in the collecting community. Some of the problems I have always had > > > with "perky boxes" were (1) the label is usually attached at the back thus > > > preventing one from being able to view the back of the specimen, and one > > has > > > to look "around" the specimen in order to see the label, (2) to open the > > box > > > one has to use some considerable skill and occasionally if the specimen is > > > not firmly glued in it can drop out, and if one is a bit fumble fingered > > it > > > is not that difficult to drop the box, (3) very nice thumbs should be > > viewed > > > from all sides and the only way to do that is to actually pick up the box > > > and rotate in ones hands (a sometimes dangerous thing to do). > > > > > > I think that my new system eliminates these problems. It requires the > > > addition to the bottom of the box a fastener that can then be used to > > fasten > > > it onto a pedestal onto which the engraved label is attached (engraving is > > > one of my sideline jobs). A printed label can of course be used with > > double > > > faced tape and I am planning on supplying a couple of MS Word files and/or > > > MS Publisher files for that reason. The pedestal is then mounted on a > > small > > > "lazy-Susan" turntable, that enables the specimen to be rotated even with > > > the top open. > > > > > > The beauty of it is that the although the box is attached to the stand, it > > > is completely removable--but the resistance to remove it is more than the > > > resistance of the box lid. Therefore, to open the box, one has simply to > > > pull the top up. No fumbling with those little catches. The stand itself > > can > > > be attached to a shelf (and yet is removable), so that there is no risk of > > > the box being accidentally knocked off the shelf. For the dealer this > > > removability means that he can display a specimen securely, and once sold, > > > simply remove it from the stand and replace it with another. And since the > > > box and pedestal rotate, it is posible to have a label on the back as well > > > as the front of the pedestal. > > > > > > The pedestals can be make out of a variety of materials, but what I have > > in > > > mind is white or black plastic and hardwoods. > > > > > > I am not quite at liberty to show pictures of it yet (my design professor > > > always said not to show a product until it was completed), but was curious > > > to know if there would be an interest in such a system. > > > > > > I also do custom engraving if one wants some really classy labels. > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 29 18:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TFAJr) Date: Sat Jun 29 17:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need feedback In-Reply-To: <006d01c21fc7$731e1720$421cbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: Precisely. They really are useful for cabinets in the kitchen also. The Perky box is attached to the pedestal, which is then attached to the lazy susan, which is then attached to the shelf so that the box can be turned around even with the top open. All removeable of course. Picture will be forthcoming soon on www.hockyjocky.com in a week or two, if anyone is interested (or even if they are not). I'm still working on a few minor details. Its a really simple problem, but the problem is that a really, really simple mind is trying to figure it out. And of course being an American, I want to put a motor in it with a push button (and internal lighting, a burgler alarm, and a patent pending sticker on it). Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." Leonardo da vinci > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Malm > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 7:48 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need > feedback > > > And, I would add, the flat board is on a pivot. And usually > round. Like the > turntable on an old-fashioned phonograph. > Margaret > kadok@infowest.com, > in Utah's colorful Dixie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick L. Olmstead" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need > feedback > > > > A lazy Susan > > -- "A lazy person who is named susan" > > > > --Picture a circular, flat board on the middle of a table with several > > plates of different kinds of foods > > on it. People can sit in one spot and instead of passing plates of food > > around to each other they can turn the 'lazy susan" to reach a different > > place. > > > > GeorgiaO > > __..__..__..__ > > Sort of like a smorgsborg on 'wheels' > > --**--**--**--** > > TAKE CARE > > > > __ > > > > horstwindisch wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tommy, > > > > > > Still quite not understand your method - a sketch is worth a thousand > words, > > > Also, as I am not a USA resident, don't know what a "lazy-Susan" > turntable > > > is. If you wish to reply privately, you can contact me on > > > horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za > > > (leave out the " marks. Certainly sounds interesting. Posdsibly there > would > > > be a market for this idea amongst local (South African ) mineral > collectors. > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Horst > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TFAJr" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:43 AM > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: display system for perky (tn) boxes--need > feedback > > > > > > > I have developed what I think is a pretty nifty method of displaying > > > > thumbnail specimens and was wondering if there would be any interest > out > > > > there in the collecting community. Some of the problems I > have always > had > > > > with "perky boxes" were (1) the label is usually attached > at the back > thus > > > > preventing one from being able to view the back of the specimen, and > one > > > has > > > > to look "around" the specimen in order to see the label, (2) to open > the > > > box > > > > one has to use some considerable skill and occasionally if the > specimen is > > > > not firmly glued in it can drop out, and if one is a bit fumble > fingered > > > it > > > > is not that difficult to drop the box, (3) very nice thumbs > should be > > > viewed > > > > from all sides and the only way to do that is to actually > pick up the > box > > > > and rotate in ones hands (a sometimes dangerous thing to do). > > > > > > > > I think that my new system eliminates these problems. It > requires the > > > > addition to the bottom of the box a fastener that can then > be used to > > > fasten > > > > it onto a pedestal onto which the engraved label is attached > (engraving is > > > > one of my sideline jobs). A printed label can of course be used with > > > double > > > > faced tape and I am planning on supplying a couple of MS Word files > and/or > > > > MS Publisher files for that reason. The pedestal is then > mounted on a > > > small > > > > "lazy-Susan" turntable, that enables the specimen to be rotated even > with > > > > the top open. > > > > > > > > The beauty of it is that the although the box is attached to the > stand, it > > > > is completely removable--but the resistance to remove it is > more than > the > > > > resistance of the box lid. Therefore, to open the box, one > has simply > to > > > > pull the top up. No fumbling with those little catches. The stand > itself > > > can > > > > be attached to a shelf (and yet is removable), so that there is no > risk of > > > > the box being accidentally knocked off the shelf. For the > dealer this > > > > removability means that he can display a specimen securely, and once > sold, > > > > simply remove it from the stand and replace it with > another. And since > the > > > > box and pedestal rotate, it is posible to have a label on > the back as > well > > > > as the front of the pedestal. > > > > > > > > The pedestals can be make out of a variety of materials, but what I > have > > > in > > > > mind is white or black plastic and hardwoods. > > > > > > > > I am not quite at liberty to show pictures of it yet (my design > professor > > > > always said not to show a product until it was completed), but was > curious > > > > to know if there would be an interest in such a system. > > > > > > > > I also do custom engraving if one wants some really classy labels. > > > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 30 05:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 30 04:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kennecott, Alaska Message-ID: <171.fd7f10d.2a504b9b@aol.com> Does anyone know if the Bonanza mine at Kennecott, Alaska is available for collecting? Do you need special permission or can you drive to it unmolested? Are there any micromount-rich localities near Valdez? Hope to be there for the gold festival. Hope to collect at Kennecott in early August. Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 30 15:35:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw (new)) Date: Sun Jun 30 14:35:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanging Wall Back In-Reply-To: <200206292329.g5TNTGtq014760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Looking good! Keep hanging more up there! gcb I have included the first two of my oil paintings (I'm currently doing an Adult Education course). One of them even has a rock in it! You can check out my artwork at http://www.crocoite.com/hangingwall Regards Steve