From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 00:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Tue Apr 30 23:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? References: <14e.cceeded.29f78ee6@aol.com> <000401c1eb54$96ad3b00$633cfb3e@oemcomputer> <3CC6D6B8.BB03FB38@emory.edu> <000e01c1ebbb$19644d20$435204d0@jim> <00b201c1ebc4$46926080$3e85a141@jgcornish> <003e01c1f080$0d421800$183cfb3e@oemcomputer> <004601c1f091$ef4e6120$89b2950c@mel> <006301c1f093$bf804d80$0501a8c0@win98> Message-ID: <000401c1f0da$1f4a8a00$548ccba3@horstspc> Hi Folks, I think cleaning with oxalic acid and water, also depends upon the "purity" of the water. Ordinary tap water will probably leave a film on (which cannot be get rid of, as Mel mentioned), but distilled water should possibly deliver better results? (I have not yet tried distilled water) Horst Windisch----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Schmitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > Hi Mel, > I use both muratic and oxalic to clean crystals. I've had them soak for > months in both and have never had any problem with causing a film. Some > crystals have a natural film or fog on them that cannot be removed and you > probably won't notice it until they are cleaned. > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Albright" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > If you use oxalic acid to clean quartz, limit the exposure time. Too long > > and you will get a totally unremovable film - (some oxalate of silica?) > > > > Mel Albright > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 04:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Hammer) Date: Wed May 1 03:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trinityite In-Reply-To: <3CCF56ED.4162@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20020501105009.99671.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Believe I have one available. Will email you off list -Ron http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minerals.htm --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I am looking for a specimen of trinityite (the man made green glass/slag > from the atom bomb test) to purchase or trade for. Google came up with 9 > hits, two with some to sell, and both were sold out when I checked the > websites. If anyone has a specimen they are willing to part with, please > contact me off-list. > > Thanks! > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== "On the stormy sea of moving emotion...tossed about up like a ship on the ocean"-Kansas check out my home page at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 04:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Hammer) Date: Wed May 1 03:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trinityite In-Reply-To: <3CCF56ED.4162@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20020501105156.16944.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> Kreigh...believe I have a piece available that will be VERY competitive with two guys site that was mentioned on rockhounds list...I'm running to work will see if I can take a pic and email you tonight -Ron --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I am looking for a specimen of trinityite (the man made green glass/slag > from the atom bomb test) to purchase or trade for. Google came up with 9 > hits, two with some to sell, and both were sold out when I checked the > websites. If anyone has a specimen they are willing to part with, please > contact me off-list. > > Thanks! > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== "On the stormy sea of moving emotion...tossed about up like a ship on the ocean"-Kansas check out my home page at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 13:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed May 1 12:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? References: <14e.cceeded.29f78ee6@aol.com> <000401c1eb54$96ad3b00$633cfb3e@oemcomputer> <3CC6D6B8.BB03FB38@emory.edu> <000e01c1ebbb$19644d20$435204d0@jim> <00b201c1ebc4$46926080$3e85a141@jgcornish> <003e01c1f080$0d421800$183cfb3e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <016901c1f144$b1445480$c885a141@jgcornish> Hi André, Thank you for your kind words. I wanted to comment on your HF and Ammonium Bifluoride remarks. I agree totally and would never use HF without the benefit of a lab. This is one icky nasty acid and it should be avoided at all costs by anyone who is not a trained professional! With regard to the Ammonium Bifluoride, I believe that this chemical can be handled safely outside of the lab. Now of course, this is only my opinion and everyone needs to come to their own conclusions in regards to the cleaning agents they attempt to use. Learn all you can from those around you who have background or experience handling these dangerous chemicals and read the MSDS forms which can be supplied when purchasing these materials. And then proceed, should that be your decision. Use all safety precautions religiously, gloves, respirators (with the correct filters for the materials your handling), eye protection etc., and use this same intensive attention to detail when disposing of the left overs. As an example, the Ammonium Bifluoride will remain active after its use as a mineral specimen cleaner has passed. For this reason it is still very much a hazard. I live in Washington State in the USA and in our small community (17,000) we have a once a year Households Chemicals Clean-up Day. People can bring their old dangerous materials to this event and for free the people working the event will see that these materials are disposed of in a safe manner. This is how I dispose of my most dangerous chemical cleaners. And the groans when they see me coming are audible all around the clean-up area as I open my truck to reveal 5 gallon buckets of old Muriatic Acid and what ever else I may have had to use since the previous years Clean-up! As mentioned in my earlier letter, the Ammonium Bifluoride has been helpful to me when I've needed to remove granular quartz coverings from specimens (of fluorite and barite) and for this, this has worked successfully. I respect your decisions regarding these chemicals and just thought I'd share my thoughts in this regard. Thank you for the thread and all the very best. Take care, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "a.m.robbemond" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > A thank you to all who gave advise! > > For your information: > > It concerns quartz pieces only, some well terminated others damaged and > others perfectly clear inside (gem quality). No carbonated are involved. > Most of them have inclusions of very tiny anatase xls. These quartzes came > out of a small wolfram mine (Gestoso) in the Serra da Freita, Portugal (see > also LAPIS issue 2002-1), minerals in the neighbourhood are mainly sulfides > (covellite, arsenopyrite, pyrite, chalcopyrite), arsenates (beudantite, > carminite, scorodite) and very little sulfates (segnitite, brochantite) and > . They are/were covered by a creme muddy/clay coating. Most of it could > easily washed away with water, but what mostly remained was a thin brownish > layer, sometime it was simply black and I'm not sure it's just an iron-oxide > or mayby something else. I firstly used the natrium-dithionite, but I have > to confess that I never used it before and the powders I had were several > years old. Perhaps it lost it's strength over the years, because I didn't > smell it's tipical smell either. Afterwards I put the quartzes in > NaOH-solution. It has little to no effect on the mud/clay-coating. Some of > it became white and was removeable with some strength. After nutralizing > with clear water, I put the quartzes in a 20% HCl-solution which also had no > vissible effect. The only thing left I could imagine at that moment was > oxalic-acid, but this isn't easy to buy in the Netherlands. So, I thought, > maybe some fellow rockhound has a good suggestion and posted an e-mail. > > In the meantime I was able to trace some oxalic-acid and let you know what > the results are (will take 2 weeks until I receive the acid). > > John, I appreciated your comment very much. As a person with a background in > chemistry I could easily understand the steps you took in your approach to > solve my problem. Although I know that HF and Ammonium Bifluoride do have > effect on glass and quartz, I'll not use these acids, because these are (in > my opinion) too dangerous to use at home. > > Kind regards to all of you, > > André > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: "John & Gloria Cornish" > Aan: > Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2002 21:14 > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > Hi André and all, > > > > I didn't really feel it appropriate for me to respond to your question in > > the hopes that someone more familiar with your locality and its minerals > > would reply. This way you could get EXACT cleaning information. I try not > to > > throw out opinions on things I'm not personally familiar with (of which > I'm > > only partially successful) and feel that on occasion folks comment on > things > > and subjects much in the same way incompetent hunters shot after anything > > that moves as opposed to actually knowing what their shooting at or > actually > > commenting upon. Now to be clear, I am not in any way slamming the folks > who > > have responded to your query or to hunters. These are just my personal > > thoughts and I hope none of you out there will take them out of this > > context. Now, on to your cleaning dilemma. Are you sure what your cleaning > > are iron oxides? From the sound of your failed attempts with the Sodium > > Dithionite, I'm wondering if iron oxides are truly your nemesis in this > > instance. Or, was your mix perhaps incorrectly formulated? I'm sorry to > say > > that I've deleted your original post André and do not recall the minerals > > present if there were any beyond the quartz. If there are any carbonate > > minerals DO NOT USE OXALIC ACID. This will attack the carbonate minerals > and > > redeposit them on your specimens in a very undesirable fashion. Of course > > the Wallers Solution (Sodium Dithionite, Sodium Citrate (a food > > preservative), Bi-Carb Soda (Baking Soda) and Water) will clean carbonates > > of iron oxides quite effectively and for carbonates this is the way to > clean > > these unattractive coverings. I wonder, is there perhaps a granular quartz > > covering mixed in with your discoloring material inhibiting their removal? > > If this is the case you'll have to step up your cleaning to attack this > > undesirable granular quartz. Ammonium Bifluoride can be used if this is > the > > case. Of course as many have stated in the past, use extreme caution when > > dealing with any chemicals and take all necessary precautions. I hope that > > this may help and that I've not been offensive. I wish you every success > in > > your cleaning project. All the best, > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Daly" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > It's a commercial product- may not be available in The Netherlands. > > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Anita Westlake > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > > > > I think it stands for Calcium, Lime, Rust and is supposed to dissolve > > > them. > > > > -Anita > > > > > > > > "a.m.robbemond" wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is/means CLR? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > André > > > > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > > > > > Van: > > > > > Aan: > > > > > Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2002 6:30 > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/2002 1:23:58 AM EST, > a.m.robbemond@hccnet.nl > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << Natrium-dithionite had > > > > > > not any effect. I know about oxalic acid against iron-oxides, but > > are > > > > > there > > > > > > any other suggestions ? >> > > > > > > Might try CLR. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > multipart/mixed > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > text/x-vcard > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 14:25:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Wed May 1 13:25:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? References: <14e.cceeded.29f78ee6@aol.com> <000401c1eb54$96ad3b00$633cfb3e@oemcomputer> <3CC6D6B8.BB03FB38@emory.edu> <000e01c1ebbb$19644d20$435204d0@jim> <00b201c1ebc4$46926080$3e85a141@jgcornish> <003e01c1f080$0d421800$183cfb3e@oemcomputer> <016901c1f144$b1445480$c885a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <002a01c1f14d$83f79060$272dfb3e@oemcomputer> Hi John, Thank you again for your information. I'll keep it in mind. Best regards, André ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "John & Gloria Cornish" Aan: Verzonden: woensdag 1 mei 2002 21:16 Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > Hi André, > > Thank you for your kind words. I wanted to comment on your HF and Ammonium > Bifluoride remarks. I agree totally and would never use HF without the > benefit of a lab. This is one icky nasty acid and it should be avoided at > all costs by anyone who is not a trained professional! With regard to the > Ammonium Bifluoride, I believe that this chemical can be handled safely > outside of the lab. Now of course, this is only my opinion and everyone > needs to come to their own conclusions in regards to the cleaning agents > they attempt to use. Learn all you can from those around you who have > background or experience handling these dangerous chemicals and read the > MSDS forms which can be supplied when purchasing these materials. And then > proceed, should that be your decision. Use all safety precautions > religiously, gloves, respirators (with the correct filters for the materials > your handling), eye protection etc., and use this same intensive attention > to detail when disposing of the left overs. As an example, the Ammonium > Bifluoride will remain active after its use as a mineral specimen cleaner > has passed. For this reason it is still very much a hazard. I live in > Washington State in the USA and in our small community (17,000) we have a > once a year Households Chemicals Clean-up Day. People can bring their old > dangerous materials to this event and for free the people working the event > will see that these materials are disposed of in a safe manner. This is how > I dispose of my most dangerous chemical cleaners. And the groans when they > see me coming are audible all around the clean-up area as I open my truck to > reveal 5 gallon buckets of old Muriatic Acid and what ever else I may have > had to use since the previous years Clean-up! As mentioned in my earlier > letter, the Ammonium Bifluoride has been helpful to me when I've needed to > remove granular quartz coverings from specimens (of fluorite and barite) and > for this, this has worked successfully. I respect your decisions regarding > these chemicals and just thought I'd share my thoughts in this regard. Thank > you for the thread and all the very best. Take care, > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a.m.robbemond" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > A thank you to all who gave advise! > > > > For your information: > > > > It concerns quartz pieces only, some well terminated others damaged and > > others perfectly clear inside (gem quality). No carbonated are involved. > > Most of them have inclusions of very tiny anatase xls. These quartzes came > > out of a small wolfram mine (Gestoso) in the Serra da Freita, Portugal > (see > > also LAPIS issue 2002-1), minerals in the neighbourhood are mainly > sulfides > > (covellite, arsenopyrite, pyrite, chalcopyrite), arsenates (beudantite, > > carminite, scorodite) and very little sulfates (segnitite, brochantite) > and > > . They are/were covered by a creme muddy/clay coating. Most of it could > > easily washed away with water, but what mostly remained was a thin > brownish > > layer, sometime it was simply black and I'm not sure it's just an > iron-oxide > > or mayby something else. I firstly used the natrium-dithionite, but I have > > to confess that I never used it before and the powders I had were several > > years old. Perhaps it lost it's strength over the years, because I didn't > > smell it's tipical smell either. Afterwards I put the quartzes in > > NaOH-solution. It has little to no effect on the mud/clay-coating. Some of > > it became white and was removeable with some strength. After nutralizing > > with clear water, I put the quartzes in a 20% HCl-solution which also had > no > > vissible effect. The only thing left I could imagine at that moment was > > oxalic-acid, but this isn't easy to buy in the Netherlands. So, I thought, > > maybe some fellow rockhound has a good suggestion and posted an e-mail. > > > > In the meantime I was able to trace some oxalic-acid and let you know what > > the results are (will take 2 weeks until I receive the acid). > > > > John, I appreciated your comment very much. As a person with a background > in > > chemistry I could easily understand the steps you took in your approach to > > solve my problem. Although I know that HF and Ammonium Bifluoride do have > > effect on glass and quartz, I'll not use these acids, because these are > (in > > my opinion) too dangerous to use at home. > > > > Kind regards to all of you, > > > > André > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > > Van: "John & Gloria Cornish" > > Aan: > > Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2002 21:14 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > Hi André and all, > > > > > > I didn't really feel it appropriate for me to respond to your question > in > > > the hopes that someone more familiar with your locality and its minerals > > > would reply. This way you could get EXACT cleaning information. I try > not > > to > > > throw out opinions on things I'm not personally familiar with (of which > > I'm > > > only partially successful) and feel that on occasion folks comment on > > things > > > and subjects much in the same way incompetent hunters shot after > anything > > > that moves as opposed to actually knowing what their shooting at or > > actually > > > commenting upon. Now to be clear, I am not in any way slamming the folks > > who > > > have responded to your query or to hunters. These are just my personal > > > thoughts and I hope none of you out there will take them out of this > > > context. Now, on to your cleaning dilemma. Are you sure what your > cleaning > > > are iron oxides? From the sound of your failed attempts with the Sodium > > > Dithionite, I'm wondering if iron oxides are truly your nemesis in this > > > instance. Or, was your mix perhaps incorrectly formulated? I'm sorry to > > say > > > that I've deleted your original post André and do not recall the > minerals > > > present if there were any beyond the quartz. If there are any carbonate > > > minerals DO NOT USE OXALIC ACID. This will attack the carbonate minerals > > and > > > redeposit them on your specimens in a very undesirable fashion. Of > course > > > the Wallers Solution (Sodium Dithionite, Sodium Citrate (a food > > > preservative), Bi-Carb Soda (Baking Soda) and Water) will clean > carbonates > > > of iron oxides quite effectively and for carbonates this is the way to > > clean > > > these unattractive coverings. I wonder, is there perhaps a granular > quartz > > > covering mixed in with your discoloring material inhibiting their > removal? > > > If this is the case you'll have to step up your cleaning to attack this > > > undesirable granular quartz. Ammonium Bifluoride can be used if this is > > the > > > case. Of course as many have stated in the past, use extreme caution > when > > > dealing with any chemicals and take all necessary precautions. I hope > that > > > this may help and that I've not been offensive. I wish you every success > > in > > > your cleaning project. All the best, > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Daly" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > > > > It's a commercial product- may not be available in The Netherlands. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Anita Westlake > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:00 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it stands for Calcium, Lime, Rust and is supposed to > dissolve > > > > them. > > > > > -Anita > > > > > > > > > > "a.m.robbemond" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What is/means CLR? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > André > > > > > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > > > > > > Van: > > > > > > Aan: > > > > > > Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2002 6:30 > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] How to get rid of coatings on quartz? > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/2002 1:23:58 AM EST, > > a.m.robbemond@hccnet.nl > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Natrium-dithionite had > > > > > > > not any effect. I know about oxalic acid against iron-oxides, > but > > > are > > > > > > there > > > > > > > any other suggestions ? >> > > > > > > > Might try CLR. > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > > multipart/mixed > > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > > text/x-vcard > > > > > --- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 15:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 1 14:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trinityite Message-ID: <1ad.1a0a960.2a01b809@aol.com> Alison Nielsen has it for sale. You can reach her at the Blanchard Rock in Bingham, NM. 505-423-3235 In a message dated 4/30/02 10:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: << Subj: [Rockhounds] trinityite Date: 4/30/02 10:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com CC: rocksandfossils@yahoogroups.com I am looking for a specimen of trinityite (the man made green glass/slag from the atom bomb test) to purchase or trade for. Google came up with 9 hits, two with some to sell, and both were sold out when I checked the websites. If anyone has a specimen they are willing to part with, please contact me off-list. Thanks! >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 16:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed May 1 15:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New microminerals listed Message-ID: <000801c1f15c$87cc8f60$535204d0@jim> Sauktown Sales has updated our price list with the addition of 26 new = items, including a group of very nice items from Nova Scotia, and one = item from Australia- a Pyromorphite from Dundas, Tasmania. Four of the new items are mounted- their numbers start with M- Jim DalySauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 17:24:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed May 1 16:24:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] trinityite References: <3CCF56ED.4162@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3CD078E3.19CF@Tomaszewski.net> I want to thank everyone who responded. I have found a specimen. Kreigh Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > I am looking for a specimen of trinityite (the man made green glass/slag > from the atom bomb test) to purchase or trade for. Google came up with 9 > hits, two with some to sell, and both were sold out when I checked the > websites. If anyone has a specimen they are willing to part with, please > contact me off-list. > > Thanks! > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 1 22:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Wed May 1 21:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology Field Trip Message-ID: VANDENBERG AND POINT SAL Geology Field Trip U.S. Bureau of Land Management Buena Vista Museum of Natural History May 31 to June 2, 2002 This field trip explores the geology and history of the Santa Maria-Lompoc region. We start Friday afternoon with a tour to the Point Sal Ophiolite on Vandenberg Air Force Base. Friday we tent- or car camp at Jalama State Beach. On Saturday we will have a tour of the Celite Diatomite Quarry. On Saturday evening we tent camp near Point Sal. On Sunday we have breakfast on the beach and spend the afternoon at La Purisima Mission State Park. The tour ends with a visit to Solvang. The registration for this trip is $30.00 per person. This fee includes entry to the Lompoc Museum and La Purisima State Park. If you have any questions about these field trip programs call Dr. Gregg Wilkerson at (661) 391-6081 More Info: http://www.sharktoothhill.com/blm_trips.html Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 2 10:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Thu May 2 09:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Message-ID: <3CD16DAD.E26723FA@epix.net> Years ago UVP sold a 'scheelite fluorescent analyzer' used to determine the amount of molybdenum in a sample of scheelite. Page 170 of Gleason's "Ultraviolet Guide to Minerals" has a photo of one. I would like to get one for my talks to schools, youth groups etc. Send any leads to: uvbob@epix.net Thanks to all, Bob http://uvbob.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 2 19:39:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 2 18:39:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show - Charleston, SC Message-ID: <17e.7c4a55f.2a03440a@cs.com> Hello, Y'all are welcome to come to Charleston, South Carolina this weekend (May 4 and 5) for our 10th annual show sponsored by the Lowcountry Gem & Mineral Society. It is being held at the North Charleston Convention Center. There is free parking and free admission. We will have 17 dealers. There will be a fossil dig for the kids and we will be cracking geodes. There will be displays and demonstrations. Come enjoy the warm weather of this historic area. There is always a lot to see here on the edge of America. For more information, please email off-list. Regards, Mark Easterbrook Club Vice President --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 2 23:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.) Date: Thu May 2 22:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Announcement: Rock Swap in Central Missouri References: Message-ID: <006801c1f260$ab92ee80$9a5ce5d8@dell> The Central Missouri Mineral, Fossil, and Gem Society will be sponsoring its seventh annual Rock Swap on May 4-5, 2002 at the Central Missouri Regional Fairgrounds, 12860 S. US Hwy 63, south of Rolla, MO. The Swap will be open to the public and there will be no admission charge. The Rock Swap will be open from 9 AM to 5 PM on Saturday and from 10 AM to 3 PM on Sunday. This will be an opportunity for people to buy, sell, trade, or just admire beautiful and interesting examples of minerals, fossils, gems, and jewelry. There are a limited number of indoor swap spaces and plenty of room outside. For more information contact Ray Prater at (573) 341-2383 or gbryl95@rollanet.org . The Rock Swap building will be open on Friday, May 3rd for swappers to set up their displays. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 3 01:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Fri May 3 00:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip Message-ID: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> Hi List, Please disregard the first three paragraphs of this e-mail, this was for = another group. (Forgot to mention I came back with 112 kg of mineral = specimens, fluorescent minerals, micromount material, sands and = polishing material) Kind regards, Horst =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: horstwindisch=20 To: Hans-Peter Rademachers ; Garth Ziemba ; Roserocking@aol.com ; Roger = Remacle ; Gilles Prouteau ; Bernd Opierzynski ; Barbara W Oetzman ; = Christine Heimbach ; Ralf Hermann ; Thomas J Hopen ; jfox@mbt.com ; = Anneke de Jong ; John Jupp ; Greet Kettenis ; Hans-Georg Kieselhofer ; = Irene Korstjens ; Irene Korstjens ; Carla Lagendijk ; Jacques Lapaire ; = Hans- Joerg Liebehenz ; Joachim Luederwaldt ; malyka.cremoux ; Niklas = Manz ; Kurt Meyer ; Ralf Milke ; Richard Rick Myers ; Debra Brice ; = Hubert Gross ; Werner Grittner ; John M Fox ; Herbert Fielding ; Aussie = Eybers ; Jan Eklund ; Mieke Divendal ; Jean-Pierre Descamps ; Nicholas = D'Errico ; John Delly ; Katie Cole ; Gilbert O Brim ; Marco Bonifazi ; = Rose Blanchard ; Bernardino Bertossa ; William Beiriger ; Judy = Baxtresser ; Julia Basham ; Ernestus Barsa ; Joao Addad=20 Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip Hello all SCI members on e-mail! During the past two days, you will probably have received a VERY SHORT = message from me, in the one case just saying "Trial message" and in the = other, a short message that I had just returned from a three week = collecting trip to Namibia. The object of this whole exercise, was to create my own e-mail data = base for SCI members, by grouping them together, getting rid of invalid = e-mail addresses and requesting other members to supply the correct = addresses of those members, who seem to have invalid e-mail addresses on = my data base. (Another e-mail to help in this matter will be sent over = the weekend, after I have collated all this information). To some = members I have already replied with a short message, others will follow, = where pertinent personal questions were asked, but this e-mail will go = to ALL members, just to inform them of what has happened to us thus far = in the year 2002. To some, the first part will already be known, some in more detail than = others, but for completeness, just a short review of what took place in = January. On 17th January, Erika and I left at 06:00 from home in her Fiat UNO, on = our way to spend a week's time-share holiday near Cape Town. At 15:15 = that afternoon, she must have fallen asleep whilst driving 25 km before = Up[ington. The car left the road, rolled one and a quarter times, was a = complete write-off. Within 25 minutes, Erika was taken by ambulance to = hospital in Upington (I only had minor bruises and scratches) and after = being X-rayed and stabilised, flown by ambulance plane to Pretoria the = next morning. Here she was operated on her right hand wrist (5 = fractures) that afternoon; a neck fusion (C2,C1 to base of skull) was = performed on Monday evening, she was home by Saturday, 26th January. The recovery was slow, she can use her right hand quite a bit, she still = has to wear the soft neck brace during the day (since last week, she was = able to remove it at night), she still has terrible pains at times in = her right arm and wrist and lower head. She will not be able to nod or = turn her head in future, this will have to be done by using the whole = upper body. However, she is very POSITIVE about the whole episode, = maintaining she has started her "second life" after 17th January!! In the meantime, I stood down as Chairman of the Pretoria Gem and = Mineral Club at the end of January (having been Chairman from 1967 to = 2001, with the exception of 1976), but was then elected as Honorary = President. (Have to give a talk on Fluorescent Minerals at our monthly = meeting tonight). I was also kept extremely busy in organising our forthcoming three week = collecting trip through Namibia. Gerhard, (our son who works at = Frankfurt Airport in Germany), arrived here on 24th March, for a 5 week = break!! He and I drove down to attend the annual Easter Gemboree (this = year held in Springbok, some 1300 km from here) on 28th March. On Good = Friday afternoon, we had the usual swap and sell; I, as President of the = Federation of Southern African Gem and Mineralogical Societies, chaired = our Annual General Meeting that evening. On Saturday there were 4 = outings - Kalahari Picture Stone, the Blesberg Pegmatite, a site fo = epidote (micro xls) and some "greenstone" (for polishing).That evening = was the official opening, followed by a live auction. Sunday there were = two more outings, silent auction in the afternoon, closing ceremony = taking place that evening. Then on Easter Monday, our three week tour through Namibia started. The = intention was to take along 24 gem and mineral collectors, in the end = there were only 20, but we managed to "rope in" one Yankee in Springbok, = just come along for the ride and see something of Namibia, which the = normal tourist does not see. Just before lunch, we crossed the border = into Namibia, our firstovernight stop being Ai-Ais Hot Springs (here I = even gave an half hour water aerobics class to seven of our members). It = was very hot and dusty at Ai-Ais, but the warm water in the pool was = enjoyed by all. Next day, off to collect some blue lace agate on George Swanson's mine - = what an experience getting there, as a soft rain came down when we = crossed a large flat pan and some cars started skidding out of control, = like driving on soap!! (No damage done, the pan was so flat, you = couldn't collide with anything). After viewing the mine (and collecting = some blue lace agate), back t the Namibia/South Africa border, carried = on along the banks of the Orange River, before turning inland to Rosh = Pinah, a zinc mine. Stayed overnight at their guest house, before = undertaking an underground visit the next morning. Found some massive = pyrite, but it was very humid down in the mine (we drove into the mine = on the back of two pick-up trucks) and a cold shower afterr the visit = was a welcome relief.After lunch at the Rosh Pinah Mess, drove over some = bad corrugated roads to Luderitz (where Erika was born, but she was not = allowed to accompany us on the trip, on doctor's orders). The campers = stayed on Shark Island, the balance at a Guest House. Late afternoon, we = visited the mind-blowing mineral collection of Heini Soltau. Next morning, off early on a guided tour of Kolmanskop (a "ghost town", = where diamonds were mined until 1956). My late grandfather built quite a = few of these buildings straight after World War I.Later on, another = visit to Heini Soltau, before we all joined the campers for an evening's = barbeque on Shark Island. (Also, every evening, I held a short briefing = meeting, to discuss the day's happenings and the plans for the coming = day. Each driver was issued with a file, containing an eight-page = programme, day-by-day, nearly hour-by -hour), maps, copies of = accomodation bookings, tips on how to drive on corrugated roads, = mineralogical notes on some of the sites were were going to = visit,emergency telephone numbers (at home and en route), table of = distances travelled per day (tar and grasvel roads) malaria warnings, = blank export permit and prospector's licence forms, , etc). Friday, we drove to Agate Beach (beach sand consisting of agates, the = size of half a matchstick head), to dig for gypsum ("desert roses"). = When you dig these, leave the sorrounding wet sand on them, it acts as = wrapping. My biggest one was 30 x 20 x 17 cm (plus plenty of "wrapping" = sand for exchange, not too much Agate Beach sand. Then left for a guest = house at Bethanie, stopping alongside the road to look at some = interesting rock formations - total distance for day approx 220 km . Next morning, up at 05:00, pack and leave in darkness, as we wanted to = reach the extinct volcano, Brukkaros, before 08:00, as we wanted to = climd this mountain, before it ges too hot. Picked up quartz crystals = and flint along the way - what a beautiful viewlooking over the desert = from the break-out point of this volcano. Lunch at the Fish Riverr = bridge, two bridges on, some funny "balls" and petrified wood(?) or = fossils(?). Slept over at the Hardap Dam resort on the farm, where I = spent the first few months of my life during the depression of the = thirties!! (I had put in my notes for Sunday, 7th April - "02:00- your alarm clock = will wake you (previos day instruction was to set alarm to go off at = 02:00). Put on the light, then set your watch/clock back by ONE hour, go = back to sleep.(Remember you can stay ion bed ONE hour LONGER)" (Nobody = fell for this instruction - it was the change-over to "winter time" in = Namibia). Next morning, we visited a disused quarry just outside Hardap to look = for natrolite and analcime. The "prize" specimen of natrolite was found = by Erich Mayerl, with natrolite needles on a big piece of matrix, = measuring about 60 x 40 cm!! Carried on to Rehoboth, then down the = steepest mountain pass in Namibia, the Spreetshoogte Pass (max gradient = 1 in 4). Got stuck in deep sand oof a rivulet at the bottom of this = Pass, waited 30 minutes till a Land Rover came towards us and pulled us = out of the sand!! Overnight stop at Sossusvlei Campsite. Up again before the crack of dawn, to enter thge Sossusvlei Dunes = (amongst the highes in the world). As we had seven 4 x4's amongst our 12 = vehicles, it was easy getting from the parking lot (60 km from Sesriem, = our base), into the are of the highes dunes, 5 km only allowed to be = teavelled by 4 x 4's). Only four of ou party ascended to the top of the = highest dune (in 1999, 11 out of 24 accomplished this feat in one and a = half hours to the top). Very hot here in the desert, in the afternoon, = a brief visit to the Sesriem Canyon, but unable to walk in it, because = of too much water. That evening,we drove out to the Elim Dune for a = sundowner in the desert!! A long haul through the desert - 300 gravel, 63 tar roads to Swakopmund. = (On this stretch, Paul's (our Yankee) Autovilla broke down, had to be = towed for 160 km with a solid bar between the two vehicles). That = evening, Mike Thygessen opened his shop, Desert Gems, especially for the = group. Next morning, a visi to the local brewery, finishing off the tour = with a pint or two of beer, then on to the Kristall Galerie (a private = mineral museum and shop in Swakopmund), the show stopper being a goup of = quartz crystals about 3 metres high (were on display in Tucson some = years ago), with exquisite Tsumeb specimens and some extra-ordinary = tourmalines from the Karibib area. During the afternoon, a visit to the = local salt works, whereafter we also dug for some gypsum in one of the = smaller ponds, as well as picking up some small "desert roses". That = evening, the Walvis Bay Gem and Mineral Club laid on a fantastic = barbeque for our group - I only got to bed after 23:00 after a full and = exhausting day!! Next morning, Mike took us into the desert for the day, visited eight = collecting sites - rose quartz, chalcedony, aragonite, micros at the = Namib Lead Mine, where some of us waited till after dark, to co haul out = our UV lamps to look for calcite, willemite and hydrozincite - the dumps = glowed like a Christmas tree!! Left Swakopmund for Klein Spitzkoppe next morning. Did not find much, = but the local miners sell topaz and quartz from Spitzkoppe and = aquamarine and schorl from the Erongo alongside the road. (Gerhard = obtained a large schorl in exchange for one cigarette and two cigarette = butts!!) Overnight at Irmi's Lodge in Karibib. Next morning, off to the Rubikon Mine, now disused, but still good for = lepidolite, amblygonite, quartz and petalite. Lunch-time at a local = mineral dealer for some purchases and then off to Omaruru, to see some = of Gawie Cloetes treasures. On On Sunday, we did a bit of a detour to = have a look at the dinosaur tracks near Kalkfeld, befire carrying on to = Khorixas (via Outjo). Next morning, a long trip, first to view the logs at the Petrified = Forest, then on tho Grootberg to collect heulandite and stilbite. This = round trip of 320 km took us the whole day. Then on to Okaukuejo (via = Outjo) in the Etosha Game Park; the best spot at Okaukuejo is the = fllodlit waterhole, but as there were good rains in Namibia for three = summers running, we were actually disappointed. One elephant came down = to the waterhole in the afternoon, a bit later (whilst we were having = supper) another seven came and at 21:00, there were four rhinos at the = waterhole. One could hear the lions roaring, but they did not come down = to drink. In 1999 (we were there a month later, which also has an = influence, we saw three herdsof elephant, the largest herd being about = 80 and at night, we saw three of the big five drinking at the same = time!! (2 lions, one elephant and one rhino).At the briefing meeting = that evening, we said goodbye to Paul, as he wanted to stay in Etosha = for a couple of weeks. It was here also, that the group presented me = with a big piece of fluorite from Okorusu as a "THANK-YOU" for = organising this tour. Leaving Okaukuejo, soon after sunrise the next morning, we did manage to = see on elephant and three lionesses not far off the road. At Klein = Namutoni, we saw 12 giraffe at the waterhole; on the pan itself we saw = plenty of zebra, wildebees, oryx, springbok, a few ostriches and = scretary birds.. In Tsumeb, we visited their new mineral hall in the = Museum, before leaving for "Zum Potjie" just outside Otavi. The following day, we paid a visit to the Okorusu Fluorspar Mine, where = the mine geologist took us to two different mining sites, and we were = allowed to pick up a few pieces of fluorite. Then on to my cousin's farm = near Hochfeld, where we had a real royal feast of a dinner and breakfast = next morning. Leaving Hochfeld, we drove to the Dept. of Mines office in Windhoek, to = apply for our Prospector's Licence (we were supposed to apply for this = six weeks prior to entering Namibia, but this was not feasable at the = time) and Export Permits. As this is all done by hand, it took two hours = to process these documents, which we spent in the new = geological/mineralogical museum on the ground floor, really worth a = visit Then we left for our overnight stop at Daan Viljoen Game Park, = just outside Windhoek, where we had the official "closing" barbeque of = the tour. Next morning, back to Windhoek, to purchase some more minerals at the = home of Ralf Wartha and Andreas Palfi, before hitting the road t = Buitepos, on the Namibia/Botswana border. Then on Sunday, came the longest stretch - home. (1050 km) through = Botswana and South Africa. (Four vehicles had gone back via the = Vioolsdrif gate in southern Namibia). The road between Sekoma and Kanye = in Botswana was severly potholed (some potholes being a metre across) = and in South Africa, road construction work was being carried out = between Zeerust and Swartruggens (widening the road for the "Platinum = Corridor"), which resulted in us taking 12 hours for this stretch (The = road in Botswana is very FLAT, 8 metres being the difference in height = betwen the highest anf lowest point on this road, which for 600 km is = not fenced off, so you have to be on the continuous lookout for wild = game and domesic animals) All in all, another good trip, even if the group lost quite a few tyres = on these roads. This was my 10th (and probably last) long trip that I = have organised for the gem and mineral collectors in South Africa, the = first one being to Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) in July 1969. When I got back, my computer was styill out of order, but when I got it = going, there were 280 e-mail messages which had accumulated within a = space of 4 weeks, soo bear with me in answering correspondence, sending = sand parcels (these have still to be sorted out, taken into my = collection, exchange quantities bottled, typed onto my exchange lists), = plus a HOSTY of other more IMPORTANT work which has to be attended to. The whole tour from Springbok (starting on 1st April) till home in = Pretoria (21st April) was about 6500 km. Without my son, Gerhard, who = did most of the driving, I would not have been able to do this tour, and = to him and to the rest of the group, goes a big THANK YOU for the = success of another memorable trip. Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 3 02:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Fri May 3 01:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- Elbaites & Tourmalines from Isola Elba, Italy Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020503102643.007ac100@popmail.libero.it> ELBAITES and TOURMALINES from Isola Elba, Italy After a several weeks of work, a real incredible variety of perfect elbaites and tourmalines from Isola Elba, Italy are now available for you ! These are old specimens, collected 20-30 years ago from the quarries of Elba, the type locality of elbaite (from the name Elba!). These specimens are from an old collection sold last fall, and now made available for you. It's wellworth looking at these crystals, I think that very few chance will be available to get rocks rare like these since no more material is coming from Isola Elba, sincer all quarries are now abbandoned. http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/tourmaline.html And do not forget to visit also the page of the tourmalines from Hymalaia mine, CA, USA ! everyone knows show beautiful are the crystals from this locality ! nice crystals of elbaites and kunzites ! http://www.italianminerals.com/hymalaia-mine.html Among the new pages there are also a lot of sulfurs, rutiles, benitoites, vesuvianites, atacamite, gold, fluorite, quartz ! visit us ! ItalianMinerals.com http://www.italianminerals.com/index.html ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 3 12:49:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri May 3 11:49:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> Message-ID: <01b101c1f2d2$36fa1ea0$c885a141@jgcornish> Awesome report Horst, thank you!!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "horstwindisch" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip Hi List, Please disregard the first three paragraphs of this e-mail, this was for another group. (Forgot to mention I came back with 112 kg of mineral specimens, fluorescent minerals, micromount material, sands and polishing material) Kind regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: horstwindisch To: Hans-Peter Rademachers ; Garth Ziemba ; Roserocking@aol.com ; Roger Remacle ; Gilles Prouteau ; Bernd Opierzynski ; Barbara W Oetzman ; Christine Heimbach ; Ralf Hermann ; Thomas J Hopen ; jfox@mbt.com ; Anneke de Jong ; John Jupp ; Greet Kettenis ; Hans-Georg Kieselhofer ; Irene Korstjens ; Irene Korstjens ; Carla Lagendijk ; Jacques Lapaire ; Hans- Joerg Liebehenz ; Joachim Luederwaldt ; malyka.cremoux ; Niklas Manz ; Kurt Meyer ; Ralf Milke ; Richard Rick Myers ; Debra Brice ; Hubert Gross ; Werner Grittner ; John M Fox ; Herbert Fielding ; Aussie Eybers ; Jan Eklund ; Mieke Divendal ; Jean-Pierre Descamps ; Nicholas D'Errico ; John Delly ; Katie Cole ; Gilbert O Brim ; Marco Bonifazi ; Rose Blanchard ; Bernardino Bertossa ; William Beiriger ; Judy Baxtresser ; Julia Basham ; Ernestus Barsa ; Joao Addad Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip Hello all SCI members on e-mail! During the past two days, you will probably have received a VERY SHORT message from me, in the one case just saying "Trial message" and in the other, a short message that I had just returned from a three week collecting trip to Namibia. The object of this whole exercise, was to create my own e-mail data base for SCI members, by grouping them together, getting rid of invalid e-mail addresses and requesting other members to supply the correct addresses of those members, who seem to have invalid e-mail addresses on my data base. (Another e-mail to help in this matter will be sent over the weekend, after I have collated all this information). To some members I have already replied with a short message, others will follow, where pertinent personal questions were asked, but this e-mail will go to ALL members, just to inform them of what has happened to us thus far in the year 2002. To some, the first part will already be known, some in more detail than others, but for completeness, just a short review of what took place in January. On 17th January, Erika and I left at 06:00 from home in her Fiat UNO, on our way to spend a week's time-share holiday near Cape Town. At 15:15 that afternoon, she must have fallen asleep whilst driving 25 km before Up[ington. The car left the road, rolled one and a quarter times, was a complete write-off. Within 25 minutes, Erika was taken by ambulance to hospital in Upington (I only had minor bruises and scratches) and after being X-rayed and stabilised, flown by ambulance plane to Pretoria the next morning. Here she was operated on her right hand wrist (5 fractures) that afternoon; a neck fusion (C2,C1 to base of skull) was performed on Monday evening, she was home by Saturday, 26th January. The recovery was slow, she can use her right hand quite a bit, she still has to wear the soft neck brace during the day (since last week, she was able to remove it at night), she still has terrible pains at times in her right arm and wrist and lower head. She will not be able to nod or turn her head in future, this will have to be done by using the whole upper body. However, she is very POSITIVE about the whole episode, maintaining she has started her "second life" after 17th January!! In the meantime, I stood down as Chairman of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club at the end of January (having been Chairman from 1967 to 2001, with the exception of 1976), but was then elected as Honorary President. (Have to give a talk on Fluorescent Minerals at our monthly meeting tonight). I was also kept extremely busy in organising our forthcoming three week collecting trip through Namibia. Gerhard, (our son who works at Frankfurt Airport in Germany), arrived here on 24th March, for a 5 week break!! He and I drove down to attend the annual Easter Gemboree (this year held in Springbok, some 1300 km from here) on 28th March. On Good Friday afternoon, we had the usual swap and sell; I, as President of the Federation of Southern African Gem and Mineralogical Societies, chaired our Annual General Meeting that evening. On Saturday there were 4 outings - Kalahari Picture Stone, the Blesberg Pegmatite, a site fo epidote (micro xls) and some "greenstone" (for polishing).That evening was the official opening, followed by a live auction. Sunday there were two more outings, silent auction in the afternoon, closing ceremony taking place that evening. Then on Easter Monday, our three week tour through Namibia started. The intention was to take along 24 gem and mineral collectors, in the end there were only 20, but we managed to "rope in" one Yankee in Springbok, just come along for the ride and see something of Namibia, which the normal tourist does not see. Just before lunch, we crossed the border into Namibia, our firstovernight stop being Ai-Ais Hot Springs (here I even gave an half hour water aerobics class to seven of our members). It was very hot and dusty at Ai-Ais, but the warm water in the pool was enjoyed by all. Next day, off to collect some blue lace agate on George Swanson's mine - what an experience getting there, as a soft rain came down when we crossed a large flat pan and some cars started skidding out of control, like driving on soap!! (No damage done, the pan was so flat, you couldn't collide with anything). After viewing the mine (and collecting some blue lace agate), back t the Namibia/South Africa border, carried on along the banks of the Orange River, before turning inland to Rosh Pinah, a zinc mine. Stayed overnight at their guest house, before undertaking an underground visit the next morning. Found some massive pyrite, but it was very humid down in the mine (we drove into the mine on the back of two pick-up trucks) and a cold shower afterr the visit was a welcome relief.After lunch at the Rosh Pinah Mess, drove over some bad corrugated roads to Luderitz (where Erika was born, but she was not allowed to accompany us on the trip, on doctor's orders). The campers stayed on Shark Island, the balance at a Guest House. Late afternoon, we visited the mind-blowing mineral collection of Heini Soltau. Next morning, off early on a guided tour of Kolmanskop (a "ghost town", where diamonds were mined until 1956). My late grandfather built quite a few of these buildings straight after World War I.Later on, another visit to Heini Soltau, before we all joined the campers for an evening's barbeque on Shark Island. (Also, every evening, I held a short briefing meeting, to discuss the day's happenings and the plans for the coming day. Each driver was issued with a file, containing an eight-page programme, day-by-day, nearly hour-by -hour), maps, copies of accomodation bookings, tips on how to drive on corrugated roads, mineralogical notes on some of the sites were were going to visit,emergency telephone numbers (at home and en route), table of distances travelled per day (tar and grasvel roads) malaria warnings, blank export permit and prospector's licence forms, , etc). Friday, we drove to Agate Beach (beach sand consisting of agates, the size of half a matchstick head), to dig for gypsum ("desert roses"). When you dig these, leave the sorrounding wet sand on them, it acts as wrapping. My biggest one was 30 x 20 x 17 cm (plus plenty of "wrapping" sand for exchange, not too much Agate Beach sand. Then left for a guest house at Bethanie, stopping alongside the road to look at some interesting rock formations - total distance for day approx 220 km . Next morning, up at 05:00, pack and leave in darkness, as we wanted to reach the extinct volcano, Brukkaros, before 08:00, as we wanted to climd this mountain, before it ges too hot. Picked up quartz crystals and flint along the way - what a beautiful viewlooking over the desert from the break-out point of this volcano. Lunch at the Fish Riverr bridge, two bridges on, some funny "balls" and petrified wood(?) or fossils(?). Slept over at the Hardap Dam resort on the farm, where I spent the first few months of my life during the depression of the thirties!! (I had put in my notes for Sunday, 7th April - "02:00- your alarm clock will wake you (previos day instruction was to set alarm to go off at 02:00). Put on the light, then set your watch/clock back by ONE hour, go back to sleep.(Remember you can stay ion bed ONE hour LONGER)" (Nobody fell for this instruction - it was the change-over to "winter time" in Namibia). Next morning, we visited a disused quarry just outside Hardap to look for natrolite and analcime. The "prize" specimen of natrolite was found by Erich Mayerl, with natrolite needles on a big piece of matrix, measuring about 60 x 40 cm!! Carried on to Rehoboth, then down the steepest mountain pass in Namibia, the Spreetshoogte Pass (max gradient 1 in 4). Got stuck in deep sand oof a rivulet at the bottom of this Pass, waited 30 minutes till a Land Rover came towards us and pulled us out of the sand!! Overnight stop at Sossusvlei Campsite. Up again before the crack of dawn, to enter thge Sossusvlei Dunes (amongst the highes in the world). As we had seven 4 x4's amongst our 12 vehicles, it was easy getting from the parking lot (60 km from Sesriem, our base), into the are of the highes dunes, 5 km only allowed to be teavelled by 4 x 4's). Only four of ou party ascended to the top of the highest dune (in 1999, 11 out of 24 accomplished this feat in one and a half hours to the top). Very hot here in the desert, in the afternoon, a brief visit to the Sesriem Canyon, but unable to walk in it, because of too much water. That evening,we drove out to the Elim Dune for a sundowner in the desert!! A long haul through the desert - 300 gravel, 63 tar roads to Swakopmund. (On this stretch, Paul's (our Yankee) Autovilla broke down, had to be towed for 160 km with a solid bar between the two vehicles). That evening, Mike Thygessen opened his shop, Desert Gems, especially for the group. Next morning, a visi to the local brewery, finishing off the tour with a pint or two of beer, then on to the Kristall Galerie (a private mineral museum and shop in Swakopmund), the show stopper being a goup of quartz crystals about 3 metres high (were on display in Tucson some years ago), with exquisite Tsumeb specimens and some extra-ordinary tourmalines from the Karibib area. During the afternoon, a visit to the local salt works, whereafter we also dug for some gypsum in one of the smaller ponds, as well as picking up some small "desert roses". That evening, the Walvis Bay Gem and Mineral Club laid on a fantastic barbeque for our group - I only got to bed after 23:00 after a full and exhausting day!! Next morning, Mike took us into the desert for the day, visited eight collecting sites - rose quartz, chalcedony, aragonite, micros at the Namib Lead Mine, where some of us waited till after dark, to co haul out our UV lamps to look for calcite, willemite and hydrozincite - the dumps glowed like a Christmas tree!! Left Swakopmund for Klein Spitzkoppe next morning. Did not find much, but the local miners sell topaz and quartz from Spitzkoppe and aquamarine and schorl from the Erongo alongside the road. (Gerhard obtained a large schorl in exchange for one cigarette and two cigarette butts!!) Overnight at Irmi's Lodge in Karibib. Next morning, off to the Rubikon Mine, now disused, but still good for lepidolite, amblygonite, quartz and petalite. Lunch-time at a local mineral dealer for some purchases and then off to Omaruru, to see some of Gawie Cloetes treasures. On On Sunday, we did a bit of a detour to have a look at the dinosaur tracks near Kalkfeld, befire carrying on to Khorixas (via Outjo). Next morning, a long trip, first to view the logs at the Petrified Forest, then on tho Grootberg to collect heulandite and stilbite. This round trip of 320 km took us the whole day. Then on to Okaukuejo (via Outjo) in the Etosha Game Park; the best spot at Okaukuejo is the fllodlit waterhole, but as there were good rains in Namibia for three summers running, we were actually disappointed. One elephant came down to the waterhole in the afternoon, a bit later (whilst we were having supper) another seven came and at 21:00, there were four rhinos at the waterhole. One could hear the lions roaring, but they did not come down to drink. In 1999 (we were there a month later, which also has an influence, we saw three herdsof elephant, the largest herd being about 80 and at night, we saw three of the big five drinking at the same time!! (2 lions, one elephant and one rhino).At the briefing meeting that evening, we said goodbye to Paul, as he wanted to stay in Etosha for a couple of weeks. It was here also, that the group presented me with a big piece of fluorite from Okorusu as a "THANK-YOU" for organising this tour. Leaving Okaukuejo, soon after sunrise the next morning, we did manage to see on elephant and three lionesses not far off the road. At Klein Namutoni, we saw 12 giraffe at the waterhole; on the pan itself we saw plenty of zebra, wildebees, oryx, springbok, a few ostriches and scretary birds.. In Tsumeb, we visited their new mineral hall in the Museum, before leaving for "Zum Potjie" just outside Otavi. The following day, we paid a visit to the Okorusu Fluorspar Mine, where the mine geologist took us to two different mining sites, and we were allowed to pick up a few pieces of fluorite. Then on to my cousin's farm near Hochfeld, where we had a real royal feast of a dinner and breakfast next morning. Leaving Hochfeld, we drove to the Dept. of Mines office in Windhoek, to apply for our Prospector's Licence (we were supposed to apply for this six weeks prior to entering Namibia, but this was not feasable at the time) and Export Permits. As this is all done by hand, it took two hours to process these documents, which we spent in the new geological/mineralogical museum on the ground floor, really worth a visit Then we left for our overnight stop at Daan Viljoen Game Park, just outside Windhoek, where we had the official "closing" barbeque of the tour. Next morning, back to Windhoek, to purchase some more minerals at the home of Ralf Wartha and Andreas Palfi, before hitting the road t Buitepos, on the Namibia/Botswana border. Then on Sunday, came the longest stretch - home. (1050 km) through Botswana and South Africa. (Four vehicles had gone back via the Vioolsdrif gate in southern Namibia). The road between Sekoma and Kanye in Botswana was severly potholed (some potholes being a metre across) and in South Africa, road construction work was being carried out between Zeerust and Swartruggens (widening the road for the "Platinum Corridor"), which resulted in us taking 12 hours for this stretch (The road in Botswana is very FLAT, 8 metres being the difference in height betwen the highest anf lowest point on this road, which for 600 km is not fenced off, so you have to be on the continuous lookout for wild game and domesic animals) All in all, another good trip, even if the group lost quite a few tyres on these roads. This was my 10th (and probably last) long trip that I have organised for the gem and mineral collectors in South Africa, the first one being to Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) in July 1969. When I got back, my computer was styill out of order, but when I got it going, there were 280 e-mail messages which had accumulated within a space of 4 weeks, soo bear with me in answering correspondence, sending sand parcels (these have still to be sorted out, taken into my collection, exchange quantities bottled, typed onto my exchange lists), plus a HOSTY of other more IMPORTANT work which has to be attended to. The whole tour from Springbok (starting on 1st April) till home in Pretoria (21st April) was about 6500 km. Without my son, Gerhard, who did most of the driving, I would not have been able to do this tour, and to him and to the rest of the group, goes a big THANK YOU for the success of another memorable trip. Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 3 13:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Fri May 3 12:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> Message-ID: <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> Horst, What a wonderful Field Trip and Report. Thank you very much for the great detail and descriptions. What is the "green stone" you speak of? I love the Blue Lace when I see vendors here selling it. I will have to find my SA road maps, a friend and I drove 2,000 miles down the Garden Route, and I saved all of them. Were you to schedule another one, I would love to sign up. I'll even volunteer to drive. So sorry about the accident, Erica must be quite uncomfortable. Thank you again, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 3 13:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri May 3 12:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip In-Reply-To: <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020503093610.00a95ec0@mail.aloha.net> Teresa wrote: > What is the "green stone" you speak of? Great report, Horst. I wonder if the "green stone" is anything like the nephritic jade Bill and I got in New Zealand that was called "Hokitika greenstone." Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 3 13:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Fri May 3 12:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <5.1.0.14.0.20020503093610.00a95ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3CD2EB90.2080804@cox.net> Kitty, Horst, I have been long trying to identify a beautiful vibrant green stone I free form cabbed and as I was setting it slipped and knocked an edge off. I have asked many fellow rockhounds and lapidariasts and no one was able to identify it. Have looked in many mineral books to no avail. thanks, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 06:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sat May 4 05:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <5.1.0.14.0.20020503093610.00a95ec0@mail.aloha.net> <3CD2EB90.2080804@cox.net> Message-ID: <005301c1f36a$1a1c26a0$0301a8c0@ferrari> Theresa, Do you have a picture of the stone? I have some green stones too and I would like to compare them with yours. Feel free to send me a pic off list if you have one. pbhewitt@comcast.net Take care, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "T A Masters" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 15:57 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip > Kitty, Horst, > > I have been long trying to identify a beautiful vibrant green stone I > free form cabbed and as I was setting it slipped and knocked an edge off. > > I have asked many fellow rockhounds and lapidariasts and no one was able > to identify it. Have looked in many mineral books to no avail. > > thanks, > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 09:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek) Date: Sat May 4 08:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Agate Message-ID: <002e01c1f37e$9a326f70$e46942d8@DDW41S01> I just started cutting into a 20 Lb chunk of Montana Agate. I think = this is unusual material. I've looked on the WEB and haven't seen = anything that matches some of this. Can anyone direct me to a place = that would have some collectible specimens I could see pictures of. =20 Derek --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 09:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sat May 4 08:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> Message-ID: <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> Hi Teresa, The "greenstone" is probably verdite; I was quite surprised to find it in this part of our country, as most of it occurs in the Barberton Greenstone Belt in Mpumalanga (the old Eastern Transvaal). Here the darker green variety is known as "buddstone" and is used extensively for carvings of wild African animals, e.g. elephant, lion, owls, just to name a few. Superior Rocks and Gems, many years ago situated in Rosslyn, just north of Pretoria, relocated to neaere the site of the raw material, which is between Nelspruit and Barberton. The blue lace agate is being mined by an American, George Swansion, who resides in Springbok. Some years ago, he had a large sphere made out of this material and this sphere was presented to one of the American astronauts. I promised my wife, Erika, that this would be the last big trip tha I would be leading; this was my 10th, the first being during July 1969 for two weeks, through Zimbabwe (known as Rhodesia at that time). This was the bigges group I ever led, 66 persons in 22 cars. The second one was my first one to Namibia during December 1970 - three weeks, 60 people, 18 cars. This was an exhausting experience as we were on the move for all 14 hours of daylight at the height of summer. The closing barbeque was on 31st Decenber 1970. After the barbeque, we all went to sleep and did not see in the New Year, except one paricipant, who had to be taken to the hospital in Windhoek, two hours into the New Year with a kidney stone problem!! I am sure there will be similar tours in future, popssibly in 2 - 3 years time, but somebody younger will have to take on the work to organise such a tour - I was busy teaching my follow-up on this tour. Kind regards, Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "T A Masters" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip > Horst, > What a wonderful Field Trip and Report. Thank you very much for the > great detail and descriptions. What is the "green stone" you speak of? I > love the Blue Lace when I see vendors here selling it. > > I will have to find my SA road maps, a friend and I drove 2,000 miles > down the Garden Route, and I saved all of them. > > Were you to schedule another one, I would love to sign up. I'll even > volunteer to drive. > > So sorry about the accident, Erica must be quite uncomfortable. > > Thank you again, > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 11:35:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sat May 4 10:35:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Agate References: <002e01c1f37e$9a326f70$e46942d8@DDW41S01> Message-ID: <3CD41CB8.4050908@cox.net> Derek, Check out Jim Hoyle is a big fan of Montana Agate. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 12:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat May 4 11:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Agate References: <002e01c1f37e$9a326f70$e46942d8@DDW41S01> <3CD41CB8.4050908@cox.net> Message-ID: This is one of my favorite sites: The Agates Page http://csd.unl.edu/csd/programs/agates/states/montana/montana-frame.htm Roger K. Pabian lists 26 Montana Agate pictures. Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 12:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Marcus Origlieri) Date: Sat May 4 11:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineralogist Journal for sale Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020504113344.00b7a9b8@mail62.pair.com> Hello I have a partial set of the American Mineralogist starting with volume 25 (1940) and continuing through volume 82 (1997). All issues are loose; no missing issues. Some have former owner's names on covers. It takes up a lot of shelf space, over six feet (2 meters), and I need to move it out. $850/obo + shipping. That's under $15/volume. Will consider trade for other mineral literature. cheers Marcus Marcus Origlieri Mineral Zone http://www.mineralzone.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 17:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat May 4 16:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> Message-ID: <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> Horst, Teresa, I think a lot of people keep puzzling over what "verdite" is... the green rock that many of those animal carvings are made of. I've several times discussed this with people--"what is the green rock these animals are made of?". Obviously, verdite is just a coined name, meaning, green rock. I'm still not sure if we ever figured out precisely what "verdite" really is... some metamorphic rock containing an assortment of green minerals? Cheers, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: horstwindisch To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip > Hi Teresa, > > The "greenstone" is probably verdite; I was quite surprised to find it in > this part of our country, as most of it occurs in the Barberton Greenstone > Belt in Mpumalanga (the old Eastern Transvaal). Here the darker green > variety is known as "buddstone" and is used extensively for carvings of wild > African animals, e.g. elephant, lion, owls, just to name a few. Superior > Rocks and Gems, many years ago situated in Rosslyn, just north of Pretoria, > relocated to neaere the site of the raw material, which is between Nelspruit > and Barberton. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 18:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 4 17:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Agate Message-ID: <104.1515e4af.2a05d7af@aol.com> I didn't know Montana agate came in 20 pound pieces. Are you talking about the translucent clear agate with black and red swirls, flecks and dendrites? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 20:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek) Date: Sat May 4 19:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Agate References: <104.1515e4af.2a05d7af@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c1f3da$73b29cb0$e46942d8@DDW41S01> >Are you talking about the translucent clear agate with black and red swirls, > flecks and dendrites? Yes I am. I was astonished too. I bought it at a rock show last year from a guy who didn't know what it was. Neither did I. It's been sitting on the floor in the basement of my shop for a year. Not only does it contain what you say, but it also has white with black dendrites, some yellow, ochre and white spots and in a few places some powder blue areas with black dendtites and colored spots. There is also an area with very rich dark reddish brown about the color of dark Biggs Jasper. That's what I thought it was, Biggs. It was very non-descript from the outside. Not, I can assure you on the inside. I still have a 12 lb piece intact. So far I've only been working on a small corner. But I can see the patterns in what is still whole and it's astonishingly complex. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Montana Agate > I didn't know Montana agate came in 20 pound pieces. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 20:16:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek) Date: Sat May 4 19:16:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003001c1f3da$972a81d0$e46942d8@DDW41S01> Might it be serpentine? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks > Horst, Teresa, > > I think a lot of people keep puzzling over what "verdite" is... the green > rock that many of those animal carvings are made of. I've several times > discussed this with people--"what is the green rock these animals are made > of?". Obviously, verdite is just a coined name, meaning, green rock. I'm > still not sure if we ever figured out precisely what "verdite" really is... > some metamorphic rock containing an assortment of green minerals? > > Cheers, Pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: horstwindisch > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip > > > > Hi Teresa, > > > > The "greenstone" is probably verdite; I was quite surprised to find it in > > this part of our country, as most of it occurs in the Barberton Greenstone > > Belt in Mpumalanga (the old Eastern Transvaal). Here the darker green > > variety is known as "buddstone" and is used extensively for carvings of > wild > > African animals, e.g. elephant, lion, owls, just to name a few. Superior > > Rocks and Gems, many years ago situated in Rosslyn, just north of > Pretoria, > > relocated to neaere the site of the raw material, which is between > Nelspruit > > and Barberton. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 21:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sat May 4 20:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CD4A2B1.2C69@rcn.com> Hi I purchased a nice carved 'verdite' elephant - hard to find verdite in a mineral book. ..it is serpentine (?!) GeorgiaO ___ ___ ___ Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Horst, Teresa, > > I think a lot of people keep puzzling over what "verdite" is... the green > rock that many of those animal carvings are made of. I've several times > discussed this with people--"what is the green rock these animals are made > of?". Obviously, verdite is just a coined name, meaning, green rock. I'm > still not sure if we ever figured out precisely what "verdite" really is... > some metamorphic rock containing an assortment of green minerals? > > Cheers, Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: horstwindisch > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip > > > Hi Teresa, > > > > The "greenstone" is probably verdite; I was quite surprised to find it in > > this part of our country, as most of it occurs in the Barberton Greenstone > > Belt in Mpumalanga (the old Eastern Transvaal). Here the darker green > > variety is known as "buddstone" and is used extensively for carvings of > wild > > African animals, e.g. elephant, lion, owls, just to name a few. Superior > > Rocks and Gems, many years ago situated in Rosslyn, just north of > Pretoria, > > relocated to neaere the site of the raw material, which is between > Nelspruit > > and Barberton. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 21:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sat May 4 20:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <003001c1f3da$972a81d0$e46942d8@DDW41S01> Message-ID: <3CD4A467.2000302@cox.net> Horst, Derek, Pete, et al. Let me better describe it. The green was quite deep and vibrant, there was golden spots/flecks within the stone, simply beautiful. the polish was quite high and shiny. It may have been a bit soft as it broke so easily. I had plans to mount it with silver between the broken parts. I have done that before when I had butter fingers, several times as a matter of fact. I know varascite, jades and jadeites, malachite, and one particularly beautiful stone whose name will not leave my fingers. I know it was none of those, nor a green turquoise. Real sorry I no longer have it. thanks for all your help. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 21:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sat May 4 20:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Verdite ... Message-ID: <3CD4A749.1B43@rcn.com> http://www.zimports.com/stone.htm __ ZIMPORTS:Verdite, serpentine, opalstone of Zimbabwe __ Hope this helps. GeorgiaO --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 21:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don) Date: Sat May 4 20:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] need info from Mineralogical Record Vol. 19 Message-ID: <3CD4A8D7.F0F30C85@worldnet.att.net> Hi all, I'm hoping someone has Mineralogical Record Volume 19. If so, I need the information on pp. 226-228. Of course I will reimburse for all expenses, so if someone can help, I would be most grateful. Please contact me off-list. mailto:morningstar@att.net -- Join the /"\ ASCII Ribbon \ / Campaign against x HTML e-mail / \ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 22:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sat May 4 21:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> I just remembered the name of the other stone I mentioned, Verde Antique, a form of marble and very beautiful. I have a nice hunk of it just waiting to be cut. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 22:30:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sat May 4 21:30:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Verdite ... References: <3CD4A749.1B43@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CD4B617.2040903@cox.net> GeorgiaO What a wonderful web site, thank you for the link. http://www.zimports.com/stone.htm Marvelous use of native stone. Thanks again, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 4 23:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sat May 4 22:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> Message-ID: <001601c1f3f1$ec036d40$f98acba3@horstspc> Hi Teresa, As far as I know "Verde Antique" is a name given to verdite. Will try and look up some literature on the Barbeton Greenstone Belt and let you know. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "T A Masters" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks > I just remembered the name of the other stone I mentioned, Verde > Antique, a form of marble and very beautiful. I have a nice hunk of it > just waiting to be cut. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 5 00:00:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sat May 4 23:00:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> <001601c1f3f1$ec036d40$f98acba3@horstspc> Message-ID: <3CD4CB36.2020807@cox.net> Horst, I have a piece that is a rich dark green. Most I see lately is light green toward yellow. There is a collecting area in California near Stoddard Wells, among others. I have been told several times it is a form of marble. Thank you, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 5 07:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun May 5 06:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> <001601c1f3f1$ec036d40$f98acba3@horstspc> <3CD4CB36.2020807@cox.net> Message-ID: <000801c1f435$4b709d00$9f01560c@oemcomputer> As a matter of fact (and I'll have to check my notes on this), I believe that when we did X-ray a sample of the "verdite", it proved to be mostly carbonate minerals--either calcite or dolomite, I forget which, but this would in fact make it a type of marble. Please don't accept this as absolute fact until I make sure I'm remembering the right sample! Verd antique is, of course, a traditional name for "serpentine marble"--an impure marble containing serpentine, with a distinctive texture of veins and breccia fragments. Since the name is (I assume) French, I assume the original verd antique occurrences were somewhere in the Alps. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: T A Masters Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks > Horst, > I have a piece that is a rich dark green. Most I see lately is light > green toward yellow. There is a collecting area in California near > Stoddard Wells, among others. > > I have been told several times it is a form of marble. > Thank you, > Teresa > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 5 08:43:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek) Date: Sun May 5 07:43:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> <001601c1f3f1$ec036d40$f98acba3@horstspc> <3CD4CB36.2020807@cox.net> Message-ID: <001601c1f442$d5643e60$e46942d8@DDW41S01> The Verde Antique we have in Vermont, and it's pretty plentiful here is at least as soft as marble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "T A Masters" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks > Horst, > I have a piece that is a rich dark green. Most I see lately is light > green toward yellow. There is a collecting area in California near > Stoddard Wells, among others. > > I have been told several times it is a form of marble. > Thank you, > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 5 12:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don) Date: Sun May 5 11:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] need info from Mineralogical Record Vol. 19 Message-ID: <3CD57573.1D28350@worldnet.att.net> Many thanks for all the generous offers; someone has scanned them and sent them. With deepest gratitude, Don -- Join the /"\ ASCII Ribbon \ / Campaign against x HTML e-mail / \ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 5 12:45:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sun May 5 11:45:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> <001601c1f3f1$ec036d40$f98acba3@horstspc> <3CD4CB36.2020807@cox.net> <000801c1f435$4b709d00$9f01560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CD57E98.4010902@cox.net> Peter, Ah so the mystery lessens. Thanks, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 5 12:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sun May 5 11:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <3CD4AFBD.1070000@cox.net> <001601c1f3f1$ec036d40$f98acba3@horstspc> <3CD4CB36.2020807@cox.net> <001601c1f442$d5643e60$e46942d8@DDW41S01> Message-ID: <3CD57F1B.6040707@cox.net> Derek, et al. What is the range of colors there? I know adventurine, and the piece I had was not that at all, thanks. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 6 11:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Mon May 6 10:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c1f522$fdf883a0$bc8dcba3@horstspc> Hi Teresa, hi Pete, This afternoon, I took Claus Hedegaard (from Denmark) to our Council for Geoscience Publications office, where I came across the latest Memoir published by the Council (No. 90)(cannot remember the name, but will be purchasing it within the next few days. ) I quote from page 80 of that publication:- "VERDITE AND BUDDSTONE INTRODUCTION Verdite is the local and trade name for an attractive dark-green ornamental stone which has been quarried from a few isolated pods in ultramafic host rocks within the Onverwacht Group of the Barberton Greenstone Belt, and from minor lenses associated with ultramafic dykes emplaced along shear zones in the Nelspruit batholith. Originally considered to be a variety of serpentine (Trevor 1908; Anhausser 1969; viljoen and Viljoen 1969), recent research has demonstrated that high-quality verdite is composed of a relatively monomineralic microcrystalline intergrowth of the chromian mica, fuchsite (Antenen 1991). With a hardness of 3,5, verdite is a soft rock and takes a high polish which accentuates its beautiful emerald-green hue. The principal constituent, fuchsite, is frequently admixed with varying proportions of corundum, margarite, diaspore, chlorite, rutile, albite, quartz, talc, and carbonate which affect the colour, hardness and quality of the verdite. According to Hall (1917a), verdite becomes bleached and loses much of its colour when weathered. The rock is commonly jointed or sheared, so that workable blocks of verdite larger than 25 cm across are rare. Another variety of green ornamental stone, prized for its colour and hardness, is banded and contorted fuchsitic cherty rock which has been quarried from two localities in the northern part of the Barberton Greenstone Belt and, after cutting and polishing, was marketed under the trade name of buddstone (Hall 1918; Anheusser 1972; Groeneveld 1975). Verdite and buddstone lenses occur within serpentinite host rock." (The text then goes on to describe the location of the various deposits in the area, which have no relevance here)(Unless someone is interested??) Getting back to serpentine. In our area we have a few localities, the best one being at the old Congovaal Asbestos Mine (now closed and dumps have been rehabilitated), some 30 km East of Carolina (on the road to Barberton) in Mpumalanga Province (previously Eastern Transvaal). In the 70's our Club (Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club) members used to go there every second year or so. This serpentine varied in colour from off white, grey, brown, black, lime green and apple green.. The semi-translucent dark green variety was known as "royal serpentine" or bowenite. I still have a couple of cabochons I cut and polished at that time, in my collection. Other sites include a disused asbestos mine, some 10 km NW of Krugersdorp (Gauteng Province) and at Valtaki (on the Pretoria/Bronkhorstspruit road (N4), where it was found in a small open quarry. The colour and texture here was different, ranging from yellow, light brown, light green and variegated mixtures of these three colours. This rock was known by us as "dolomitised serpentine" or "serpentinised dolomite" (probably not very scientific??) The carved figurines of wild animals I mentioned a few days ago, is all made from the material found in the Barberton Greenstone Belt area, by a business called Superior Rocks and Gems, who have their factory about one third of the way from Nelspruit to Barberton. Hope this supplies more answers than questions?? Horst --- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks > Horst, Teresa, > > I think a lot of people keep puzzling over what "verdite" is... the green > rock that many of those animal carvings are made of. I've several times > discussed this with people--"what is the green rock these animals are made > of?". Obviously, verdite is just a coined name, meaning, green rock. I'm > still not sure if we ever figured out precisely what "verdite" really is... > some metamorphic rock containing an assortment of green minerals? > > Cheers, Pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: horstwindisch > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Start of 2002 and Namibia Trip > > > > Hi Teresa, > > > > The "greenstone" is probably verdite; I was quite surprised to find it in > > this part of our country, as most of it occurs in the Barberton Greenstone > > Belt in Mpumalanga (the old Eastern Transvaal). Here the darker green > > variety is known as "buddstone" and is used extensively for carvings of > wild > > African animals, e.g. elephant, lion, owls, just to name a few. Superior > > Rocks and Gems, many years ago situated in Rosslyn, just north of > Pretoria, > > relocated to neaere the site of the raw material, which is between > Nelspruit > > and Barberton. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 6 22:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Mon May 6 21:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Namibia Trip... green rocks References: <000901c1f273$0fedfb60$748acba3@horstspc> <3CD2E320.1070302@cox.net> <000801c1f383$9c8aec20$678bcba3@horstspc> <001101c1f3c1$16be6a20$e601560c@oemcomputer> <000c01c1f522$fdf883a0$bc8dcba3@horstspc> Message-ID: <3CD75A49.9090706@cox.net> Horst, Thank you so very much. I get a strong feeling I would love to have some. Sorry I was not yet a rockhound when i was driving around SA. I did buy some finished Malachite whilst in Zaire. Got a speeding ticket in Kruger, fed Charlie the Alligator on the Golf course in then Rhodesia, but no rocks at all, pity. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 7 10:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Tue May 7 09:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer Special Message-ID: <005d01c1f5e4$09273e80$e99ac143@7a2wp> Our first ad in months! A real deal.... Available, one flat of epidote, fabulous specimens. 18 pieces in the flat, mostly clusters of lustrous black/green crystals with clear quartz crystals. A few clusters without quartz, a lighter shade of green. Crystal lengths to 3-1/2 inches. A web check finds these pieces selling from $60 each and up. >From Ibitiara, Bahia, Brazil. Picture of the flat at: http://www.manyfacets.com/images/minerals/epidoteflat.jpg (about 100 Kbytes). This picture doesn't do the material justice at all, so the one that looks worst in this picture: Close-up of top left piece: http://www.manyfacets.com/images/minerals/epidote.jpg (about 30 Kbytes) The flat, $360 plus $10 shipping/handling. Visa/MC accepted. -dan- __ "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 7 14:01:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue May 7 13:01:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek References: <006001c1f0a2$fd7bc600$be7405d1@jimcarolyn> Message-ID: <001801c1f602$78561740$0301a8c0@ferrari> I grew up about 6 blocks from 18 mile creek in Hamburg, NY. As kids we would go down to the lake and skip fossils on the water like the shale that the fossils came in. I would give a nickel for every fossil I threw away back in those days. I may be going up that way next week (I am in the Philly area now) and I would be interested in knowing if the area is still open to collecting. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Carolyn Ebsary" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 19:58 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > Does any of our American counterparts have an answer for this question? > > Jim Ebsary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Blair Batty" > To: "Ontario Rocks" > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:45 PM > Subject: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > > > > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:45:17 -0400 > > From: "Blair Batty" > > Subject: Fossils: 18 mile creek > > > > Fossil hunters, checkout this link: > > > > http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year01/june18_2_01.htm > > > > It says the gov is going to (or has by now) purchased the mouth > > of 18-mile creek and 2700 feet of the bluffs at the shoreline for > > recreation and wildlife habitat. > > > > This is one of the best nearby Devonian invertebrate sites. > > Does this mean it going to be closed to collecting? :-( > > Does anybody know? > > > > Sincerely > > Blair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 7 20:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim and Carolyn Ebsary) Date: Tue May 7 19:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek References: <006001c1f0a2$fd7bc600$be7405d1@jimcarolyn> <001801c1f602$78561740$0301a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: <007901c1f635$01cd0ec0$847405d1@jimcarolyn> Hi Paul I was there in March, still plenty of fossils there for the taking. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hewitt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > I grew up about 6 blocks from 18 mile creek in Hamburg, NY. As kids we > would go down to the lake and skip fossils on the water like the shale that > the fossils came in. I would give a nickel for every fossil I threw away > back in those days. > > I may be going up that way next week (I am in the Philly area now) and I > would be interested in knowing if the area is still open to collecting. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Carolyn Ebsary" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 19:58 > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > > > > Does any of our American counterparts have an answer for this question? > > > > Jim Ebsary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Blair Batty" > > To: "Ontario Rocks" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:45 PM > > Subject: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:45:17 -0400 > > > From: "Blair Batty" > > > Subject: Fossils: 18 mile creek > > > > > > Fossil hunters, checkout this link: > > > > > > http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year01/june18_2_01.htm > > > > > > It says the gov is going to (or has by now) purchased the mouth > > > of 18-mile creek and 2700 feet of the bluffs at the shoreline for > > > recreation and wildlife habitat. > > > > > > This is one of the best nearby Devonian invertebrate sites. > > > Does this mean it going to be closed to collecting? :-( > > > Does anybody know? > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Blair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 7 20:21:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue May 7 19:21:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek References: <006001c1f0a2$fd7bc600$be7405d1@jimcarolyn> <001801c1f602$78561740$0301a8c0@ferrari> <007901c1f635$01cd0ec0$847405d1@jimcarolyn> Message-ID: <000601c1f637$7e28c5c0$0301a8c0@ferrari> Thanks Jim, How did you get to the cliffs? We used to drive out 5A and stop in Evans and climb down about 200 stairs to the beach. Last time I was there (probably 10 years ago) the lowest portion of the stairs were badly damaged. I guess I could always poke around or (heaven forbid) ASK someone up there LOL Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Carolyn Ebsary" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 22:06 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > Hi Paul > > I was there in March, still plenty of fossils there for the taking. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hewitt" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:05 PM From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 7 20:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim and Carolyn Ebsary) Date: Tue May 7 19:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek References: <006001c1f0a2$fd7bc600$be7405d1@jimcarolyn> <001801c1f602$78561740$0301a8c0@ferrari> <007901c1f635$01cd0ec0$847405d1@jimcarolyn> <000601c1f637$7e28c5c0$0301a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: <00eb01c1f638$3ae6f2e0$847405d1@jimcarolyn> Hi Paul There is an older gentleman with a run down house and plenty of property on the other side of the bridge from the collecting area. You can park your car there, pay him 2 bucks, and then follow 18 mile creek to the shore. You don't need to use the stairs anymore (i've seen the stairs, they don't look in too good of shape) Have fun Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hewitt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > Thanks Jim, > > How did you get to the cliffs? We used to drive out 5A and stop in > Evans and climb down about 200 stairs to the beach. Last time I was there > (probably 10 years ago) the lowest portion of the stairs were badly damaged. > I guess I could always poke around or (heaven forbid) ASK someone up there > LOL > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Carolyn Ebsary" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 22:06 > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: [OntRocks] Fossils: 18 mile creek > > > > Hi Paul > > > > I was there in March, still plenty of fossils there for the taking. > > > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Hewitt" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:05 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 8 12:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed May 8 11:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wanted: Tungstenite specimen Message-ID: <000501c1f6c0$5079d540$e036c143@7a2wp> If you have one for sale and can wholesale it, please let me know the particulars via off-list email. danielz@ix.netcom.com -dan- __ "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 8 15:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed May 8 14:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <001601c1f6d9$f815d100$3a5204d0@jim> Sauktown Sales is taking a vacation. Orders received after Saturday, May 11 will not be filled or = acknowledged until about June 11. Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for your patience. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 06:35:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Thu May 9 05:35:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer References: <006001c1f0a2$fd7bc600$be7405d1@jimcarolyn> <001801c1f602$78561740$0301a8c0@ferrari> <007901c1f635$01cd0ec0$847405d1@jimcarolyn> Message-ID: <006001c1f756$608e2120$0301a8c0@ferrari> Hello all, I am asking for advice (again). I am going to NY next week and I would like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for quartz in the Herkimer area. I have never done this kind of thing so I dont know what to expect. Is it a mine shaft type thing or just digging holes in the ground or what? Has anyone been there that can give me a clue? Thanks, Paul in NJ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 07:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 9 06:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer Message-ID: In a message dated 5/9/2002 8:36:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, pbhewitt@comcast.net writes: > I would > like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for quartz in > the Herkimer area. They are all good. There is a map to the Hastings site on my web page. You can file a "claim" there and have exclusive rights to work it throughout the year. John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 07:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu May 9 06:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer References: <006001c1f0a2$fd7bc600$be7405d1@jimcarolyn><001801c1f602$78561740$0301a8c0@ferrari><007901c1f635$01cd0ec0$847405d1@jimcarolyn> <006001c1f756$608e2120$0301a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: <003c01c1f75b$ef8a7e00$125204d0@jim> Hi Paul, I haven't been there in 20 years or so, so some things may have changed. There are (or were) 3 or more commercial sites in the Middleville, NY area. They are all rock faces in a cliff. There's also a lot of loose rock & dirt for those who don't want to work so hard ( that rock is VERY hard!). In fact, when I was last there, I worked the face with hammer & chisel. My youngest daughter, who was about 14 at the time, just wandered around and picked at shiny spots in a pile of dirt. She did better than I did! I've also heard that at one of the sites you can buy a pocket they have opened by blasting, but the price is (to my mind) outrageous- $1000, I believe. This is second-hand information, so I don't know for sure. I don't know which of the sites might be better than the others. Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hewitt To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer > Hello all, > > I am asking for advice (again). I am going to NY next week and I would > like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for quartz in > the Herkimer area. I have never done this kind of thing so I dont know what > to expect. Is it a mine shaft type thing or just digging holes in the > ground or what? > > Has anyone been there that can give me a clue? > > Thanks, > > Paul in NJ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 08:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Thu May 9 07:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer References: Message-ID: <005b01c1f765$8ab8a9c0$069ac143@7a2wp> While Hasting's Mine (Diamond Acres) is the most popular with the locals for the reason John mentions, it may not be the best for visitors. The site is reaching the point of depletion, with most digging now straight down. And there are few productive areas for visitors since most of the acreage is "claimed." If you are bringing kids, I would suggest Crystal Grove in Oppenheim. It has the most amenities (including showers, a small convenience store, etc), and also has friendly owners. Otherwise, Ace of Diamonds in Middletown is good, and often produces the best quality quartz "diamonds." Have fun! Stop in and see us if you get a chance. -dan- Many Facets, Albany, NY __ "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 09:07 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] herkimer > In a message dated 5/9/2002 8:36:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pbhewitt@comcast.net writes: > > > > I would > > like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for quartz in > > the Herkimer area. > > They are all good. There is a map to the Hastings site on my web page. You > can file a "claim" there and have exclusive rights to work it throughout the > year. > John Betts From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 09:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Thu May 9 08:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer References: Message-ID: I have some links for Herkimer book marked, only two of them work: Crystal Grove Diamond Mine & Campground http://www.crystalgrove.com/ John Betts has a lot of good herkimer information on his site at: www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com The link I have to the Ace of Diamond Mine seems to be broke. http://www.web2.com/lattice/ace/ Does anyone have a new address for them? Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 12:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TED KOWALSKI) Date: Thu May 9 11:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) herkimer Message-ID: <0033000063350410000002L002*@MHS> Paul: You've already received some great advice. My two cents. Choices: Hard Rock mining: Requires heavy sledge, 3 pound hammer and chisels. Favorite chisel I've noticed are ones cut from car and truck springs. I brought an eight pound sledge with me last time and thought it light for banging on that rock. Basic approach is to hammer a chisel into the rock till a pocket is found. Loose boulder pounding: The rock, in addition to being quite tough, has an amazing amount of pockets. Most are small. Many have excellent crystals (small) in these pockets. And there are often small to medium boulders laying that can be knocked into smaller boulders. Note; hammering around an open pocket is a direct invitation for broken and lost crystals (from the hammer shock). Ground searching: Relatively easy and productive... Just don't expect to find a lot of large perfect herkimers this way. Though, I do know of one lad who let his mother smash hard rock for hours before he showed her the exquisite perfect Herkimer he'd just picked off the ground (he also had a number of smaller and damaged ones)... It was a good thing he could run faster than her. A sieve works well here, but simple scraping at dirt piles with a hand shovel also works. Best bet is to wander around in early morning light and let the sun do your work. Ted Kowalski TKowalsk@email.usps.gov Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com at INTERNET Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:34 AM To: Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com at INTERNET Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer Hello all, I am asking for advice (again). I am going to NY next week and I would like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for quartz in the Herkimer area. I have never done this kind of thing so I dont know what to expect. Is it a mine shaft type thing or just digging holes in the ground or what? Has anyone been there that can give me a clue? Thanks, Paul in NJ _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 18:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 9 17:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mont St-Hilaire Message-ID: <15a.da38fc4.2a0c7421@aol.com> Is anyone planning to go to the Mont St-Hilaire field trip over May 25 - 26th. I am interested in going but lack exact instructions to find the site. Apparently you have to be there between 8am - 9am or not get in. I can find my way to the general locale OK. Any input? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 9 21:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 9 20:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD-New Acquisitions/Website Updates Message-ID: <14e.daca44f.2a0c9371@aol.com> Hi! I am finally recovered from the trip to New Jersey and the show. It was a great show this year and I was pleased to meet many of you there! I look forward to heading East again in August for the Springfield show! Please note that I have updated the "What's New" galleries on my website tonight; about 60 specimens total, all under $500, most under $100. These from a small collection recently released; there are some good specimens in this lot. I hope that you enjoy looking them over! I have another 25 or so that I will add to the site early next week. I will be acquiring a lot of exciting new material in the coming weeks. A highlight as follows: *New Kermesites from China; this is a new find that will easily eclipse the old "standards" from Zimbabwe. Attractive reddish clusters of crystals to 15 plus cm in size! A few real "killers", numerous miniatures, small cabinets, etc. I hope to have these by early next week. *A fine lot of at least 85 orange calcites from York, Pennsylvania; mostly from small cabinet to cabinet in size. The colors are good; some show neat twinning. *A superb small suite of Elmwood, Tennessee material; these from a prominent private collection and all will be of the very best quality. *An assortment of over 100 select miniature specimens from worldwide localities; also from a prominent private collection, these are all tasteful and of good quality. *Several lots of new rhodochrosites and brilliant orange selenites from Peru *Many other one-of-a-kinds! As you can see I will have a lot of new things in the coming weeks. I will send out general update notices as the specimens and lots are prepared for sale and photographed for the web. I will also, as always, keep adding the midwest U.S. material to the "Keystone Pages"! Also note that there is still a "Special Sales Section" with about 20 good specimens available at discounted prices, in some cases, heavily discounted! I hope that you will enjoy looking over the site in the coming month! Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 10 11:11:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Keim) Date: Fri May 10 10:11:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Libethenite Message-ID: A small batch of 11 specimens of very fine Libethenite crystals from the long closed Rokana Mine in Zambia uploaded to Marin Mineral. Specimens from this mine are by far the best of species and these are some darn good ones, singles and matrix pieces. Go to Thanks, MIke Keim --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 10 20:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don) Date: Fri May 10 19:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin, NJ, show featured on Phila. TV tomorrow Message-ID: <3CDC7D6B.DEC00073@worldnet.att.net> Hi all, I just found out today, that WPVI channel 6 Philadelphia will be featuring a segment on the Franklin, NJ, NJESA show and the Trotter Dump dig. I estimate the segment will be about 7 minutes long. It airs in the Delaware Valley area at 7 PM, and is called "Prime Time Live." The producer took a lot of footage at the show on Saturday, so if you were there you might see yourself. Even if you're not from the area, it is good for everyone to know that the major media is interested in covering a mineral event. They contacted us, we didn't contact them. If you have a big show or other mineral-related event, try to put up a web page and send out as many flyers to as many places as possible. Media coverage can be a very positive thing and it exposes the hobby to those who might be interested but didn't know there were others who shared their interest or where to go to pursue it. With all the news about land closings, I hope it helps to have some good news about our pursuits. Don Halterman From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 11 05:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Utilisateur1) Date: Sat May 11 04:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free classified ads at Mineral Webzine Message-ID: <000c01c1f8e1$250fb140$e2f70e50@r4q8f2> Come and put your ads in the new page of Mineral Webzine : free = classified ads Y. Dain French collector of minerals http://www.chez.com/mineralzine/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 12 02:56:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Sun May 12 01:56:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Edition of OZine Message-ID: <16536584.1021193885515.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2> Hi all Apologies for any multiple posts... A new edition of OZine, the eZine for minerals of Australia and New Zealand, is now available at http://www.crocoite.com Regards Steve From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 12 13:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sun May 12 12:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer References: <005b01c1f765$8ab8a9c0$069ac143@7a2wp> Message-ID: <001e01c1f9ec$96de1760$0301a8c0@ferrari> Thanks for the advice Dan and the others that were good enough to reply. I would love to stop in and see you Dan if I knew how to find you. I am probably coming up that way this tuesday and might stay as long as a week. Thanks again, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Z" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:26 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] herkimer > While Hasting's Mine (Diamond Acres) is the most popular with the locals for > the reason John mentions, it may not be the best for visitors. The site is > reaching the point of depletion, with most digging now straight down. And > there are few productive areas for visitors since most of the acreage is > "claimed." > > If you are bringing kids, I would suggest Crystal Grove in Oppenheim. It has > the most amenities (including showers, a small convenience store, etc), and > also has friendly owners. > > Otherwise, Ace of Diamonds in Middletown is good, and often produces the > best quality quartz "diamonds." > > Have fun! Stop in and see us if you get a chance. > > -dan- > Many Facets, > Albany, NY > > > __ > "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of > ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson > > http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) > http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 09:07 > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] herkimer > > > > In a message dated 5/9/2002 8:36:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > pbhewitt@comcast.net writes: > > > > > > > I would > > > like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for quartz > in > > > the Herkimer area. > > > > They are all good. There is a map to the Hastings site on my web page. You > > can file a "claim" there and have exclusive rights to work it throughout > the > > year. > > John Betts > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 12 18:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr, Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun May 12 17:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Retirement Sale, complete References: Message-ID: <3CDD31E4.3DC1C6B1@earthlink.net> The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. BRING YOUR TRUCK, TRAILER OR WHEEL BARROW! Walt Bowser will be retiring from teaching after more than 30 years. Now, comes the good part. Walt has been collecting in China, Mexico and other parts of the world for several years. He wants to reduce his stock to cut down the amount of material he has to move. We will have the sale on Saturday and Sunday June 1 and 2. Steep reductions on many items over 50% on much and more on lots. SAVE, SAVE, SAVE. Rocks and minerals from all over the world. Many will be priced below original cost. No list is available, but if you have seen the booth at any of the shows you know there is a ton, actually several tons of stuff for sale. Prices will run from 1 dollar and up. Many things under 5 dollars, many under 25 dollars, and much under 100. Original prices from 50 to 1000 dollars. Many pieces are unique, one of a kind specimens originally gathered for Walt's own collection. All REASONABLE offers will be considered. Possibly not accepted, but considered, AT LEAST. Hours 9 to 6 Saturday JUNE 1 and 9 to 4 Sunday. JUNE 2 407 E. Ramona Rd. Alhambra, CA 91801 626-458-4671 Walt --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 12 19:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (dalerocks1) Date: Sun May 12 18:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Retirement Sale, complete References: <3CDD31E4.3DC1C6B1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000701c1fa1a$eae2a460$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Hey Walt, Where are you going?? Actually moving to Mexico? Will you continue giving tours? Are you still with the same beautiful and talented lady I met last year?Inquiring minds want to know! Flight schedule & budget allowing, I'll try to make it over bright & early Saturday the 1st. Warm regards, Dick Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr, Walter S. Bowser" Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Retirement Sale, complete > > The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale > is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. The sale is on. > The sale is on. > > BRING YOUR TRUCK, TRAILER OR WHEEL BARROW! > > > Walt Bowser will be retiring from teaching after more than 30 years. > Now, comes the good part. Walt has been collecting in > > China, Mexico and other parts of the world for several years. He wants > to reduce his stock to cut down the amount of material he > > has to move. > > We will have the sale on Saturday and Sunday June 1 and 2. > > Steep reductions on many items over 50% on much and more on lots. > SAVE, SAVE, SAVE. > > Rocks and minerals from all over the world. Many will be priced below > original cost. > > No list is available, but if you have seen the booth at any of the shows > you know there is a ton, actually several tons of stuff for sale. > > Prices will run from 1 dollar and up. Many things under 5 dollars, > many under 25 dollars, and much under 100. Original prices > > from 50 to 1000 dollars. Many pieces are unique, one of a kind > specimens originally gathered for Walt's own collection. > > > All REASONABLE offers will be considered. Possibly not accepted, but > considered, AT LEAST. > > > Hours 9 to 6 Saturday JUNE 1 > and > 9 to 4 Sunday. JUNE 2 > > 407 E. Ramona Rd. > Alhambra, CA 91801 > > 626-458-4671 > > Walt > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 12 20:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (dalerocks1) Date: Sun May 12 19:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Retirement Sale, complete References: <3CDD31E4.3DC1C6B1@earthlink.net> <000701c1fa1a$eae2a460$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <005501c1fa26$23d13920$e1810244@ph.cox.net> Oops, sorry for the note that was not intended for the list... It wasn't in my "Rockhound" folder, so I just hit "reply" without checking. RD From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 13 05:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Mon May 13 04:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin, NJ, show featured on Phila. TV tomorrow Message-ID: I hope you were able to tape this. I'd like to see it, even though the guy was a no-show at the Warren. Cheers- Earl _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 13 06:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Mon May 13 05:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] herkimer Message-ID: Hello Paul: You should check treasuremt.com Good Luck, Larry Bull >From: Paul Hewitt >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] herkimer >Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:38:28 -0400 > >Thanks for the advice Dan and the others that were good enough to reply. > >I would love to stop in and see you Dan if I knew how to find you. I am >probably coming up that way this tuesday and might stay as long as a week. > >Thanks again, > > Paul > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Z" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:26 >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] herkimer > > > > While Hasting's Mine (Diamond Acres) is the most popular with the locals >for > > the reason John mentions, it may not be the best for visitors. The site >is > > reaching the point of depletion, with most digging now straight down. >And > > there are few productive areas for visitors since most of the acreage is > > "claimed." > > > > If you are bringing kids, I would suggest Crystal Grove in Oppenheim. It >has > > the most amenities (including showers, a small convenience store, etc), >and > > also has friendly owners. > > > > Otherwise, Ace of Diamonds in Middletown is good, and often produces the > > best quality quartz "diamonds." > > > > Have fun! Stop in and see us if you get a chance. > > > > -dan- > > Many Facets, > > Albany, NY > > > > > > __ > > "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of > > ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas >Jefferson > > > > http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) > > http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 09:07 > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] herkimer > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/9/2002 8:36:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > pbhewitt@comcast.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > I would > > > > like to know if there is a good, better, or best place to dig for >quartz > > in > > > > the Herkimer area. > > > > > > They are all good. There is a map to the Hastings site on my web page. >You > > > can file a "claim" there and have exclusive rights to work it >throughout > > the > > > year. > > > John Betts > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 13 13:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon May 13 12:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Goethite in quartz Message-ID: <000201c1fab1$e6fa4000$82af5a0c@fekib> A while ago, there was some discussion about goethite inclusions in quartz. Since then I have come across a box of untrimmed micro goethite in small quartz crystals from the Cinque Quarry in East Haven, CT. These are golden fan-shaped sprays of needles which start out in the interior of the clear quartz and extend out through the faces into the open cavities. Pretty under the 'scope. If anyone has not seen this kind of thing, and want some samples, please contact me off-list. I would be happy to send them along, in consideration for a TN of your choice in return. Larry Rush www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 15 20:09:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Wed May 15 19:09:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite Message-ID: <3CE315FD.2158@rcn.com> Hi I am trying to find information (more than what I found on web site - and more interesting information) on the mineral - Olmsteadite and Dedie a M Olmstead - for whom the mineral is named. No luck in my local library. Perhaps you have better sources for information - (unless I go to the Library of congress). Thankzzzzz GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 15 20:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed May 15 19:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <3CE315FD.2158@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CE319C1.4BAC@Tomaszewski.net> Google had 59 hits for me and I found more info than I expected to be avaliable by checking the links found at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Olmsteadite&btnG=Google+Search or yuu can do your own search at http://google.com for "Olmsteadite" as your search results may vary. Frederick L. Olmstead wrote: > > Hi > I am trying to find information (more than what I found on web site - > and more interesting information) on > > the mineral - Olmsteadite > > and > > Dedie a M Olmstead - for whom the mineral is named. > > No luck in my local library. > > Perhaps you have better sources for information - > (unless I go to the Library of congress). > > Thankzzzzz > GeorgiaO > folmstead@rcn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 15 20:37:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don) Date: Wed May 15 19:37:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <3CE315FD.2158@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CE31C03.47E3E2CC@worldnet.att.net> According to my brand new "Encyclopedia of Mineral Names," OLMSTEADITE is named "after Milo Olmstead, mineral collector of Rapid City, SD, USA, who first noticed the mineral." The bibliographic reference is to Moore, P.B., et al. (1976), American Mineralogist 61, 5. If that was Dr. Paul Moore, he is still around, but might be difficult to contact. I don't know if he or one of the other authors named it, but he might be able to give more insight into the person. Don "Frederick L. Olmstead" wrote: > > Hi > I am trying to find information (more than what I found on web site - > and more interesting information) on > the mineral - Olmsteadite > and > Dedie a M Olmstead - for whom the mineral is named. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 16 08:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 16 07:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite Message-ID: <8e.2803c2fd.2a1516af@aol.com> Dear GeorgiaO, I met Milo Olmstead when I went collecting in SD 27 years ago. Found some olmsteadite. If you haven't seen any, I can post to my website. Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 16 18:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Mineral Vug) Date: Thu May 16 17:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Site Update Message-ID: Hello All: The Mineral Vug wishes to invite all to view our latest gallery update which features: Danburite from Mexico Citrine and Rose Amethyst from Brazil Aragonite from Morocco Quartz with inclusions of Managanese; Calcite; Cassiterite; Cinnabar and Azurite from China Carrolite on Calcite from Congo Strontianite and Fluorite from Cave-In-Rock, Illinois These mineral specimens can be viewed on our New arrival pages linked to www.themineralvug.com/new.htm . Regards, Brett Shaffer The Mineral Vug From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 16 23:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Oren\Susan Nielson) Date: Thu May 16 22:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Mtn annual trip In-Reply-To: Schist_Happens@yahoogroups.com's message of 13 May 2002 23:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4380-3CE09A77-3074@storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net> Sorry for all that will see this post repeatedly, we are going on our annual trip to Topaz Mtn, Utah over Memorial Day, we invite any and all to join us who can make it. We will be camping in the Cove area and will post purple eyeball posters with arrows for finding our camp from the turnoff to the rockhound area. Chili and potluck on Sat. nite and some side trips to local spots for sunstone etc. If you want more info just e-mail me at opaleyes1@webtv.net PS to the people I promised specimens last year, I just found them all in the campng gear and I thought they had been mailed, mea culpa, I am so sorry!! Let me know and I will try again!! Sue From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 16 23:41:17 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Thu May 16 22:41:17 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Himalaya Mine Trip Message-ID: <3CE0BD7D.2060900@earthlink.net> This missive has three parts; a trip report, a brag, and a question. Trip report; Sunday (May, 12), Ed and I avoided Mother's day by going out to the Himalaya mine in Mesa Grande, San Diego, CA. We arrived at the dumps at about 8:30am. The day was sunny. The temperatures stayed in the high seventies to low eighties. There was a brisk breeze early that faded as the day progressed. With shovels, screens, rock picks, water, and a generally pleasant disposition, we made our way to an area of the tailings pile that we had worked in before. If you have never been to the Himalaya, Simon King arranges field trips. He usually announces them on LA-Rocks@yahoogroups.com. The cost is $50 per day, but I have never come away with less than $100 worth of tourmaline for a day's dig. Now those of you who have been out with me in the field know that I move allot of material. Today was no exception, but the day was exceptional. The morning was very productive. I had about 200 grams of tourmaline by noon! I thought that the day was as good as it could be. Midday was even better. I got into a layer of the tailings that had some larger chunks of tourmaline in it. A couple of the crystal sections are 20mm in diameter. There were fewer of them, but by late afternoon, I had another 200 grams in the bag. Now I knew that the day was exceptional! How could it get any better? The late afternoon/early evening had two exciting events. First, I had been following a gem bearing layer into the side of the "slot" that we had dug into the hillside. It had gotten deep enough that I decided that it was no longer safe to dig deeper. There was about seven feet of overburden here with an eighteen inch undercutt. I started to follow the layer going the other direction in my hole. I had intended to "crash" the overburden before leaving, but the earth had other ideas. I was standing in the hole (on the opposite side from the undercutt section) talking to two gentlemen when "someone" hit me from behind! It was a very clear reminder to keep alert and use caution in our hobby. I was as far away from the face as it was tall and I wear good boots. The result of being careful and well equiped is that my feet were buried from about the top of my boots, my shovel was partially buried, and the bucket in my backpack got "squished." The total weight of tourmaline from yesterday's dig is 580 grams! Not a bad day's work. The Brag: The second exciting event of the late afternoon was the discovery of a treasure. I was digging on the low side of my hole when a large, dark chunk of material fell out of the dirt. Based on the size of it, I assumed that I had found a nice chunk of smoky quartz. When I picked it up though, my heart shifted into high gear! This was not quartz. This was tourmaline. In the field, it looked dark green, with a pink zoned termination, with a coating of white cookeite. The "biggie" weighs 78 grams. It is 50mm tall with a basic triangular shape. The triangular sides are 30mm x 30mm x 25mm. It is very beautiful. It is a double terminated crystal. The terminations are excellent. There is very little damage to it. There is some minor chipping at the edges of the flat (green) termination and a small corner of the pink termination is broken. The pink termination is so complex that the break is difficult to pick up with the naked eye. The main surface of the pink termination is so clean that you can see the crystal growth patterns on it when the light reflects off it. The only easily visible "damage" is on the side where the crystal broke off from the matrix. It has three color zones. The main body is clear smoky green with some veils. The complex termination is pink. The flat termination fades to a lighter green. I cleaned it up today. I soaked it, and a couple of others, for a time in soapy water. Then I used a soft knife blade to remove the bulk of the cookeite. I followed that with a stainless steel brush. Finally, I used a plastic toothbrush with toothpaste. It and the others cleaned up very nicely using this procedure. The only challenge I have left is the cookeite in the voids of the complex termination. Some of the "crevices" in this end are relatively quite deep. A couple of them are 7mm deep and only 2mm accross. The Question: I am left with trying to figure out how to remove the cookeite from these "holes." Is there a solution that will disolve cookeite? I have not tried my water gun on it yet, but other mechanical means of removal do not seem feasible. Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 08:48:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri May 17 07:48:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Himalaya Mine Trip (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 00:32:13 -0700 From: Dave Guin Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Himalaya Mine Trip This missive has three parts; a trip report, a brag, and a question. Trip report; Sunday (May, 12), Ed and I avoided Mother's day by going out to the Himalaya mine in Mesa Grande, San Diego, CA. We arrived at the dumps at about 8:30am. The day was sunny. The temperatures stayed in the high seventies to low eighties. There was a brisk breeze early that faded as the day progressed. With shovels, screens, rock picks, water, and a generally pleasant disposition, we made our way to an area of the tailings pile that we had worked in before. If you have never been to the Himalaya, Simon King arranges field trips. He usually announces them on LA-Rocks@yahoogroups.com. The cost is $50 per day, but I have never come away with less than $100 worth of tourmaline for a day's dig. Now those of you who have been out with me in the field know that I move allot of material. Today was no exception, but the day was exceptional. The morning was very productive. I had about 200 grams of tourmaline by noon! I thought that the day was as good as it could be. Midday was even better. I got into a layer of the tailings that had some larger chunks of tourmaline in it. A couple of the crystal sections are 20mm in diameter. There were fewer of them, but by late afternoon, I had another 200 grams in the bag. Now I knew that the day was exceptional! How could it get any better? The late afternoon/early evening had two exciting events. First, I had been following a gem bearing layer into the side of the "slot" that we had dug into the hillside. It had gotten deep enough that I decided that it was no longer safe to dig deeper. There was about seven feet of overburden here with an eighteen inch undercutt. I started to follow the layer going the other direction in my hole. I had intended to "crash" the overburden before leaving, but the earth had other ideas. I was standing in the hole (on the opposite side from the undercutt section) talking to two gentlemen when "someone" hit me from behind! It was a very clear reminder to keep alert and use caution in our hobby. I was as far away from the face as it was tall and I wear good boots. The result of being careful and well equiped is that my feet were buried from about the top of my boots, my shovel was partially buried, and the bucket in my backpack got "squished." The total weight of tourmaline from yesterday's dig is 580 grams! Not a bad day's work. The Brag: The second exciting event of the late afternoon was the discovery of a treasure. I was digging on the low side of my hole when a large, dark chunk of material fell out of the dirt. Based on the size of it, I assumed that I had found a nice chunk of smoky quartz. When I picked it up though, my heart shifted into high gear! This was not quartz. This was tourmaline. In the field, it looked dark green, with a pink zoned termination, with a coating of white cookeite. The "biggie" weighs 78 grams. It is 50mm tall with a basic triangular shape. The triangular sides are 30mm x 30mm x 25mm. It is very beautiful. It is a double terminated crystal. The terminations are excellent. There is very little damage to it. There is some minor chipping at the edges of the flat (green) termination and a small corner of the pink termination is broken. The pink termination is so complex that the break is difficult to pick up with the naked eye. The main surface of the pink termination is so clean that you can see the crystal growth patterns on it when the light reflects off it. The only easily visible "damage" is on the side where the crystal broke off from the matrix. It has three color zones. The main body is clear smoky green with some veils. The complex termination is pink. The flat termination fades to a lighter green. I cleaned it up today. I soaked it, and a couple of others, for a time in soapy water. Then I used a soft knife blade to remove the bulk of the cookeite. I followed that with a stainless steel brush. Finally, I used a plastic toothbrush with toothpaste. It and the others cleaned up very nicely using this procedure. The only challenge I have left is the cookeite in the voids of the complex termination. Some of the "crevices" in this end are relatively quite deep. A couple of them are 7mm deep and only 2mm accross. The Question: I am left with trying to figure out how to remove the cookeite from these "holes." Is there a solution that will disolve cookeite? I have not tried my water gun on it yet, but other mechanical means of removal do not seem feasible. Peace, dave _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 15:48:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Utilisateur1) Date: Fri May 17 14:48:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free ads for rockhounds Message-ID: <000c01c1fdec$2ed98100$10f70e50@r4q8f2> Hi all ! You can now put ads for free in hte Mineral Webzine at the address = bellow. see you later Y. 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Please do not forget to check out my offerings on Ebay under the seller name: weinrch@aol.com. I hope that you enjoy looking over the new items. Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 18:09:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri May 17 17:09:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <8e.2803c2fd.2a1516af@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CE59CDD.4232@rcn.com> .....would be nice. i saw a picture by Perlof on a web site for 'olmsteadite' GeorgiaO __ ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear GeorgiaO, > > I met Milo Olmstead when I went collecting in SD 27 years ago. Found some > olmsteadite. If you haven't seen any, I can post to my website. > > Best Regards, Van > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 18:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri May 17 17:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <3CE315FD.2158@rcn.com> <3CE31C03.47E3E2CC@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <3CE59DC8.4FE7@rcn.com> Dedie a M Olmstead is the name I see on the web sites as the person who found the mineral / the mineral was named for. could Milo stand for the M.-- ????? very strange. Thanks GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com ___ Don wrote: > > According to my brand new "Encyclopedia of Mineral Names," OLMSTEADITE > is named "after Milo Olmstead, mineral collector of Rapid City, SD, USA, > who first noticed the mineral." The bibliographic reference is to > Moore, P.B., et al. (1976), American Mineralogist 61, 5. If that was > Dr. Paul Moore, he is still around, but might be difficult to contact. > I don't know if he or one of the other authors named it, but he might be > able to give more insight into the person. > > Don > > "Frederick L. Olmstead" wrote: > > > > Hi > > I am trying to find information (more than what I found on web site - > > and more interesting information) on > > the mineral - Olmsteadite > > and > > Dedie a M Olmstead - for whom the mineral is named. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 18:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri May 17 17:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <8e.2803c2fd.2a1516af@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CE59E40.56A@rcn.com> Dedie a M Olmstead and Milo Olmstead SAME??? GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com __ NNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear GeorgiaO, > > I met Milo Olmstead when I went collecting in SD 27 years ago. Found some > olmsteadite. If you haven't seen any, I can post to my website. > > Best Regards, Van > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 18:22:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri May 17 17:22:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <3CE315FD.2158@rcn.com> <3CE319C1.4BAC@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3CE59FD5.CEF@rcn.com> Hi Thank you. I think I checked (probably) all these sites on google and ... I was looking ofr more information on Dedie a M Olmstead Milo Olmstead M. Olmstead Dedie a M. Olmstead SAME PERSON?? I could find little information about the 'person" for whom the mineral was named. I also was looking for perhaps more, more interesting information about olmsteadite than what I found .. for instance, when I searched Taaffeite I found information about the rareity fo the mineral and the 'confusion' about that it was originally thought to be. Made my shore article (I wrote) more interesting. I am taking club member 'names' and writing shore items about the mineral (not named after the club member, in most cases) but just for interest for the club newsletter. GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com > > Google had 59 hits for me and I found more info than I expected to be > avaliable by checking the links found at > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Olmsteadite&btnG=Google+Search > > or yuu can do your own search at http://google.com for "Olmsteadite" as > your search results may vary. > > Frederick L. Olmstead wrote: > > > > Hi > > I am trying to find information (more than what I found on web site - > > and more interesting information) on > > > > the mineral - Olmsteadite > > > > and > > > > Dedie a M Olmstead - for whom the mineral is named. > > > > No luck in my local library. > > > > Perhaps you have better sources for information - > > (unless I go to the Library of congress). > > > > Thankzzzzz > > GeorgiaO > > folmstead@rcn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 21:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri May 17 20:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <8e.2803c2fd.2a1516af@aol.com> <3CE59E40.56A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002f01c1fe18$6e457340$ca01560c@oemcomputer> Hi, Georgia O (I presume that is O for Olmstead), I've been reading this exchange of messages with detached but curious interest--I guess I can't resist a mystery, or trying to help someone solve one if it's about minerals. First, there just is not much information usually recorded in the mineralogical literature, about the people after whom minerals were named. When an article describes a new mineral, usually there is just a simple mention of who the person is after whom it is named, perhaps where he is from and his occupation or affiliation, and usually that's it. Only if at some later point, if someone else becomes sufficiently interested in who that person was or what he contributed to mineralogy, and writes an article about that person, is there likely to be much of anything else to read about him. In the case of Milo Olmstead, it seems to be the case that no one has ever written any background article about him, so there just does not seem to be any information available about the person (too bad). I do have two further suggestions. One is to contact someone local who might know more about his discovery of the mineral. I know someone at Montana Institute of Technology, in Butte, who also serves as the curator of their mineral museum, and he might know something about Mr. Olmstead and the mineral. I'll contact him separately by email, and see if he knows anything, or knows someone who might know something. My second suggestion. I have been puzzling over the name as you give it, "Dedie a M Olmstead", and wondering why this odd combination of letters--sounded like a foreign name, with perhaps accent marks missing. But then it occurred to me; perhaps this phrase you are quoting, is not just his name, but is a phrase in another language (French, I assume), and perhaps it says or was intended to say, "donated by (or given by) M. Olmstead"? (I don't really know French very well, but this sounds close to what it might be.) I'll bet that is what your "inscription" means. Sincerely, Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: Frederick L. Olmstead To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite > Dedie a M Olmstead > and Milo Olmstead > SAME??? > GeorgiaO > folmstead@rcn.com > __ > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 21:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri May 17 20:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead Message-ID: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> Hi this is (just) one of the sites that lists -- Dedie a M Olmstead GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com http://euromin.w3sites.net/mineraux/OLMSTEADITE.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 21:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Fri May 17 20:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral type : olmsteadite Message-ID: <3CE5C925.3DDA@rcn.com> Hi again from GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com This site lists -- M. Olmstead...... http://www.musee.ensmp.fr/specimen/olmsteadite.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 21:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri May 17 20:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral type : olmsteadite References: <3CE5C925.3DDA@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005101c1fe1c$0f47fd00$ca01560c@oemcomputer> Yes, I saw that same site too, from the catalog of the Musee de mineralogie, Ecole des mines de Paris, and I'm certain it must refer to Milo Olmstead, the discover of the mineral. Pete > This site lists -- M. Olmstead...... > > http://www.musee.ensmp.fr/specimen/olmsteadite.html "comments about the origin : Moore 1977 "collected by M.Olmstead 1973" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 21:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Fri May 17 20:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CE5CB68.8010501@earthlink.net> Frederick L. Olmstead wrote: Dedie a = translation from french below >-- Translation Results by SDL International -- > > Dedicated to > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 22:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri May 17 21:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> <3CE5CB68.8010501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CE5DACD.4322@Tomaszewski.net> Dave Guin wrote: > > Frederick L. Olmstead wrote: > > Dedie a = translation from french below > > >-- Translation Results by SDL International -- > > > > Dedicated to > > Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com) came up with 'Dedie has Mr. Olmstead' on French to English. Where is 'SDL International'? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 22:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Fri May 17 21:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> <3CE5CB68.8010501@earthlink.net> <3CE5DACD.4322@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3CE5DD8E.8020904@earthlink.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >>Dedie a = translation from french below >> >>>-- Translation Results by SDL International -- >>> >>>Dedicated to >>> > >Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com) came up with 'Dedie has Mr. >Olmstead' on French to English. Where is 'SDL International'? > http://www.freetranslation.com/ I just took the " Dédié ŕ " (including accents) and went French to english. Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 22:55:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Fri May 17 21:55:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> <3CE5CB68.8010501@earthlink.net> <3CE5DACD.4322@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3CE5DEF2.1090302@earthlink.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com) came up with 'Dedie has Mr. >Olmstead' on French to English. Where is 'SDL International'? > When I plug the whole phrase ( Dédié ŕ M Olmstead ) into bablefish it returns; Dedicated to Mr. Olmstead Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 17 23:06:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri May 17 22:06:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Himalaya Mine Trip References: <3CE0BD7D.2060900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009e01c1fe28$b7bf5080$5a85a141@jgcornish> Hi Dave, Thanks for the great read, I always love a digging story. Especially the successful ones! Good luck and again, thanks. See ya, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Guin" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:32 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Himalaya Mine Trip > This missive has three parts; a trip report, a brag, and a question. > > Trip report; > Sunday (May, 12), Ed and I avoided Mother's day by going out to the > Himalaya mine in Mesa Grande, San Diego, CA. We arrived at the dumps at > about 8:30am. The day was sunny. The temperatures stayed in the high > seventies to low eighties. There was a brisk breeze early that faded as > the day progressed. With shovels, screens, rock picks, water, and a > generally pleasant disposition, we made our way to an area of the > tailings pile that we had worked in before. > > If you have never been to the Himalaya, Simon King arranges field trips. > He usually announces them on LA-Rocks@yahoogroups.com. The cost is $50 > per day, but I have never come away with less than $100 worth of > tourmaline for a day's dig. Now those of you who have been out with me > in the field know that I move allot of material. Today was no exception, > but the day was exceptional. The morning was very productive. I had > about 200 grams of tourmaline by noon! I thought that the day was as > good as it could be. Midday was even better. I got into a layer of the > tailings that had some larger chunks of tourmaline in it. A couple of > the crystal sections are 20mm in diameter. There were fewer of them, but > by late afternoon, I had another 200 grams in the bag. Now I knew that > the day was exceptional! How could it get any better? > > The late afternoon/early evening had two exciting events. First, I had > been following a gem bearing layer into the side of the "slot" that we > had dug into the hillside. It had gotten deep enough that I decided that > it was no longer safe to dig deeper. There was about seven feet of > overburden here with an eighteen inch undercutt. I started to follow the > layer going the other direction in my hole. I had intended to "crash" > the overburden before leaving, but the earth had other ideas. I was > standing in the hole (on the opposite side from the undercutt section) > talking to two gentlemen when "someone" hit me from behind! It was a > very clear reminder to keep alert and use caution in our hobby. I was as > far away from the face as it was tall and I wear good boots. The result > of being careful and well equiped is that my feet were buried from about > the top of my boots, my shovel was partially buried, and the bucket in > my backpack got "squished." The total weight of tourmaline from > yesterday's dig is 580 grams! Not a bad day's work. > > The Brag: > The second exciting event of the late afternoon was the discovery of a > treasure. I was digging on the low side of my hole when a large, dark > chunk of material fell out of the dirt. Based on the size of it, I > assumed that I had found a nice chunk of smoky quartz. When I picked it > up though, my heart shifted into high gear! This was not quartz. This > was tourmaline. In the field, it looked dark green, with a pink zoned > termination, with a coating of white cookeite. > > The "biggie" weighs 78 grams. It is 50mm tall with a basic triangular > shape. The triangular sides are 30mm x 30mm x 25mm. It is very > beautiful. It is a double terminated crystal. The terminations are > excellent. There is very little damage to it. There is some minor > chipping at the edges of the flat (green) termination and a small corner > of the pink termination is broken. The pink termination is so complex > that the break is difficult to pick up with the naked eye. The main > surface of the pink termination is so clean that you can see the crystal > growth patterns on it when the light reflects off it. The only easily > visible "damage" is on the side where the crystal broke off from the > matrix. It has three color zones. The main body is clear smoky green > with some veils. The complex termination is pink. The flat termination > fades to a lighter green. > > I cleaned it up today. I soaked it, and a couple of others, for a time > in soapy water. Then I used a soft knife blade to remove the bulk of the > cookeite. I followed that with a stainless steel brush. Finally, I used > a plastic toothbrush with toothpaste. It and the others cleaned up very > nicely using this procedure. The only challenge I have left is the > cookeite in the voids of the complex termination. Some of the "crevices" > in this end are relatively quite deep. A couple of them are 7mm deep and > only 2mm accross. > > The Question: > I am left with trying to figure out how to remove the cookeite from > these "holes." Is there a solution that will disolve cookeite? I have > not tried my water gun on it yet, but other mechanical means of removal > do not seem feasible. > > Peace, > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 18 04:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Sat May 18 03:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> <3CE5CB68.8010501@earthlink.net> <3CE5DACD.4322@Tomaszewski.net> <3CE5DEF2.1090302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002901c1fe54$cefdebe0$533b88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Right! If it comes from a French text, the M. means 'mister'. Other wise there would be e.g. M. M. Olmsteadt, where the first M is mister and the second the first names initial. Rgds, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Guin" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > >Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com) came up with 'Dedie has Mr. > >Olmstead' on French to English. Where is 'SDL International'? > > > When I plug the whole phrase ( Dédié ŕ M Olmstead ) into bablefish it > returns; > > Dedicated to Mr. Olmstead > > Peace, > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 18 05:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don) Date: Sat May 18 04:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CE63E8B.BA00D00A@worldnet.att.net> Good Lord, Pete Modreski is right! Look at that site, it is in French. I'd guess that the word "dedie" is derived from the same Latin root that the word "dedicate" comes from. Here is a cut from that page with all the accents in place: Dédié ŕ M. OLMSTEAD Big difference! Don "Frederick L. Olmstead" wrote: > > Hi > this is (just) one of the sites that lists -- Dedie a M Olmstead > > GeorgiaO > folmstead@rcn.com > > http://euromin.w3sites.net/mineraux/OLMSTEADITE.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 18 12:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David J. Smith) Date: Sat May 18 11:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report, Serra Verde Deposit Message-ID: <002101c1fe99$86172640$1dc9f2c8@andre> After a colleague showed me a few samples from Serra Verde, I took advantage of a short break to get in a little collecting. Arriving early morning, I and my assistants, Ailson and Fernando arranged permission with the landowner's wife, and headed for the trench. The Serra Verde deposit is a Copper-Moly-Gold occurence located about 20 km east of Parauapebas in the State of Pará, Brazil. (see Marschuk et al - http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2001AM/finalprogram/abstract_13622.htm ) It is currently being worked manually for copper by a handful of garimpeiros. The workings consist of a trench roughly 40m deep. Ore is broken up by hand tools and explosives, loaded into a small orecart by hand, and winched to the top of the trench via a motorized pulley, where it is manually sorted. The deepest portions of the trench are currently flooded, as the rainy season is late ending this year. The miners were having breakfast, so it was an ideal time to poke around the trench for a short bit. Care was necessary as the walls are quite steep and contain abundant slippery clay. The sulphide ore body is along the margins of a quartz-amphibole vein, and consists mainly of massive pyrite and chalcopyrite. Molybdenite is found mainly within the quartz, right at the border with the massive sulphide. Here in the trench I managed to score a couple decent molybdenites, as well as malachite which occured as druses in cavities in the altered lateritic portion. Heading up from the trench secondary minerals predominated, and here I collected more malachite and some quite spectacular chrysocolla mixed with bright orange limonite. Other possibles are brochantite and olivenite as micro crystals, along with a few other as yet unidentified micros. Next up, we headed to the ore dumps. I was rather surprised to see how quickly weathering takes place here, the base of the ore pile was frosted with blue chalcanthite from the reaction of the massive sulphides with rainwater. As well there was a definite sulphurous odor in the air. I gathered a few representative samples here and headed to the waste rock pile. Here among the quartz and amphibole I came across another unknown which at first glance appeared to be iron-rich sphalerite. I should have this one figured out soon: Black, submetallic, one perfect cleavage, dull black exterior, but quite lustrous on a fresh surface, hard, brittle. The usual suspects like hematite have already been ruled out. As per usual, the best sample of the day was found while finishing up. On return to the car I realized a sledge had been left behind, and so returned to the piles to search. While prowling around I caught the glint of moly in a small boulder. It appeared to be a mass of slightly beatup crystals about a centimeter across. When I broke the boulder up it there turned out to be a 3-cm crystal of molybdenite a centimeter thick on the other side of the mass, which came away from the matrix nicely intact along all six sides of the hex (it left a mould on the other side!!). All in all a great finish to the day. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 18 13:25:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 18 12:25:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite Message-ID: <9e.2686e8f6.2a180441@aol.com> Dear GeorgiaO, I've never known him by any other name than Milo. Perhaps there is an Olmstead genealogy site? Perhaps an obituary from the local paper would shed some light? Am going on a business trip this week, will post some olmsteadites next week. Good Luck, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 18 17:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sat May 18 16:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dedie a M Olmstead References: <3CE5C898.261B@rcn.com> <3CE5CB68.8010501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CE6E296.421C@rcn.com> Thankzzz I wondered about that -- Dedie a... Georgia O. No habla french... _______ Dave Guin wrote: > > Frederick L. Olmstead wrote: > > Dedie a = translation from french below > > >-- Translation Results by SDL International -- > > > > Dedicated to > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 12:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Earl) Date: Sun May 19 11:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Millsprings Quarry References: <1021493855.55.43851.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000401c1fdc1$8439f1f0$372b52a6@earl> This past Tuesday, a friend, Ed Cunningham, and I managed to obtain permission to enter this small quarry in Polk co., NC. Weather was perfect, no one else was in the pit but us. Most of the material appeared to be gneiss, we spotted seams of epidote, some embedded pyrite, massive calcite, and very little else ... for about an hour. Then we stumbled on one boulder which had one face covered with prehnite. There were several other fragments in the same area that gave up prehnite, a little chabazite, and what I believe to be mesolite, though it could be natrolite. I have put some photos of the quarry and the minerals on webshote, url is: http://community.webshots.com/album/38111353qsLmlv Earl --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 12:45:46 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 19 11:45:46 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas passed away Message-ID: <20020517190630.MHFQ11146.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I just received word via the Sterling Hill Mining Museum, which received word from Dona Leicht, that John Sinkankas passed away. I'm sure many folks have their stories and memories of this legendary figure. I have my own small, but poignant story. I recently acquired a sinkankasite and, through introductions, wrote to him and asked him to autograph one of my special signature labels. I also ordered his "Mineralogy" book from him. He was delighted to do so, and inside the book cover, he wrote a special note stating that he thought this collection sounded interesting and he was glad to contribute to it. I have enough of these minerals with signed labels that I am going to put on an exhibit within a year, and send a photo of the exhibit to all those folks featured in it. I am sorry that he will never get to see the finished work; and I am reminded, once again, that time is short and it does no good to put off what one plans to do. I am at least glad that I was able to obtain a memento from this awesome individual, and I will always regret that I never got to meet him. If there is any comfort, he passed knowing that he left behind a body of work that will be remembered in mineralogy for as long as mineralogy exists. Don Halterman From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 12:46:26 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun May 19 11:46:26 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] What's Bright with Costa Mesa Message-ID: <200205180214_MC3-FE8B-FBB8@compuserve.com> Hi, folks-- With a SuperBright UV light ready on each hip, I once again entered the Holiday Inn of Costa Mesa, California for the Spring West Coast Gem&Mineral show, a twice-annual show that is one of the key buying opportunities for mineral collectors in the greater Los Angeles area. I say "buying", because it is a commercial show with no exhibits or events, just some 80 dealers offering their wares to the public. Still, one can get an education in the hobby just by "window shopping" at this show. I suspect it is also a ranking show for fossil collectors, but that is not something I can rate as reliably. In reports like this, I do not mention a lot of fluorescent specimens of types that I have seen quite often at many shows, but Lehigh Minerals deserves mention for having a bathroom already furnished with perhaps half a dozen flats of brightly fluorescing andersonite (blue-green), scheelite (white), calcite (red), and squarish flat selenite gypsum crystals (bluish white with strong phosphorescence). I think there was a UV light in there also, but I used my own. It is gratifying to find dealer preparations like this and general awareness of fluorescence in minerals ever more often and ever better at the motel shows. XTAL (Dennis Beals) had small colorless transparent quartz crystals from Taman, San Luis Potosi, Mexico with fluorescent inclusions (glowing yellow-white in some cases, which he identified as "clay", and purple-white in others, both best under longwave UV). Exotic Russian Minerals as usual had a bathroom full of rather uncommon specimens. To give you a rough idea, I got natisite (glowing blue-white in shortwave UV) with vuonnemite (fluorescing yellow under shortwave UV) and vitusite-Ce (glowing red-orange) from Karnasurt Mt., Lovozero Massif, Kola Peninsula, Russia, clinohumite (fluorescing yellow under shortwave UV) with spinel (glowing red in longwave UV) and phlogopite (fluorescing white-yellow in longwave UV) from Kukhi-Lal, Pamir, Tajikistan, another clinohumite and spinel (with similar glows) from Pepeval Quarry, Baikal Lake, near Sludyanka, Russia, and yellow-white-fluorescing elpidite from Alluaiv Mt., Lovozero Massif, Kola Peninsula, Russia. The yellow glow from this elpidite was a modest surprise after seeing only dim green glows in previous elpidites. Dmitri told me that spectral analysis had shown the yellow came from the same activator, the uranyl ion. I also obtained an update to Minspec 2002, their mineral database program. John Attard and Alfredo Petrov shared a room as they often do, and as always each had a number of fluorescent mineral specimens ready to point out. John had a few more Chinese eucryptites, big scheelites and a number of more familiar specimens. Alfredo had Bolivian crystals of creedite (glowing bluish white with a strong phosphorescence) and apatite (fluorescing violet pink). Freedom Valley Gems and one other dealer had orange-fluorescing Afghani hackmanite sodalite in good crystals. Great Basin Minerals had one dioptase with willemite from Mammoth Mine, AZ in which the willemite appears to fluoresce an unusual color, blue white, in shortwave UV. Alas, as an old collection piece it was priced out of my reach and still awaits another glowhound. I observed Scott still has Junnila mine (California) fresnoites (fluorescing green-yellow-white) from his time at that mine. Geoprime had some very colorless and transparent broken-off but well-formed calcite scalenohedral crystals from the Barrick Meikle Mine, near Carlin, Elko County, Nevada with an orange-red fluorescence under shortwave and longwave UV. The show should remain open May 18 and 19. It is in the Holiday Inn immediately south of the San Diego Freeway (I-405) at the Bristol exit (across the freeway from South Coast Plaza). Admission is free, as is parking if you can find space in the hotel's parking structure. While this show primarily caters to advanced collectors, there is still a fair amount of inexpensive stuff to give a novice an interesting start. --Doug mailto: dmitchell@compuserve.com Doug Mitchell, Fluorescent Mineral Society, Inc. http://www.uvminerals.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 18:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (S & C Weinberger) Date: Sun May 19 17:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas Message-ID: John White told us yesterday that John Sinkankas passed away on Friday. John had no details. Many of us who visited the "old" Smithsonian exhibit will remember seeing the large faceted stone display (on the left side of the room which had the vaults containing the Hope and other valuable stones). John cut those stones for the exhibit. A man of many talents he truly "wrote the book" on lapidary and will truly be missed, not only by those of us who were fortunate to know him, but also by all members of the hobby. Carolyn Weinberger EFMLS Editor From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 20:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Sun May 19 19:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member Message-ID: <000a01c1ffa5$d01f3f40$042707d8@joe> As a new member there is'nt much to tell,my wife and I are very new at = this. I am retired and we collect what we like and my daughter collects = rocks out of the back of my pick-up when we return( I'm still thinking = about that ).We would like a book on rocks & minerals of the pacific = states, showing the rocks in a natural state,in the host material and = what they look like after they are cleaned up.Your recommendations are = appreciated. Thanks.........................Clay & Kip --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 20:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Sun May 19 19:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member References: <000a01c1ffa5$d01f3f40$042707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3CE865E8.7070100@cox.net> Dear C&K, Welcome to outdoor life at its best. You have found a good place to roost. Where in the West are you? I would suggest a copy of Rock and Gem or Lapidary Journal magazine. Within those you will find listings of both Rock and Mineral clubs and Shows. Locate the one closest to you and connect with it. You will find at many of the shows there will be a book seller with many of the books you are looking for to assist you in your hunt. Rock and Mineral clubs offer field trips to collecting areas. You can also check online for additional information. Enjoy, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 21:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun May 19 20:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member References: <000a01c1ffa5$d01f3f40$042707d8@joe> Message-ID: <3CE86690.5725@Tomaszewski.net> clayandkip wrote: > > As a new member there is'nt much to tell,my wife and I are very new at this. I am retired and we collect what we like and my daughter collects rocks out of the back of my pick-up when we return( I'm still thinking about that ).We would like a book on rocks & minerals of the pacific states, showing the rocks in a natural state,in the host material and what they look like after they are cleaned up.Your recommendations are appreciated. > Thanks.........................Clay & Kip Welcome Clay & Kip! I appreciate your request for resource/reference sources with both typical and outstanding examples of each rock and mineral. I've only seen a few, and those have all been booklets for very specific locations. If you find something, let us know. A couple of reasonable Field Guides are the Audobon Society Field Guide to North American Rocks and Minerals (ISBN 0-394-50269-8) and the Peterson Field Guides Rocks and Minerals (ISBN 0-395-91097-4, or pbk. 0-395-91096-X). If you are going to a specific location or looking for something specific, an Internet search at Google (or other search engine of choice) may find you the details you need. Have fun collecting (tell your daughter to help collect if she wants to hi-grade the return ;). And if you can put together a display of what you have collected that matches the resources you want, you would have a display that could excite a lot of school kids. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 19 21:13:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sun May 19 20:13:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas passed away References: <20020517190630.MHFQ11146.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: This is very sad news and a great loss. Some might find this a good read. 'Highlights from The Life and Times of John Sinkankas, by Jay L. Lininger' http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 06:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon May 20 05:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? References: <3CE0BD7D.2060900@earthlink.net> <009e01c1fe28$b7bf5080$5a85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <3CE8EBC8.D257F164@ptd.net> I recently purchased a piece of material I had not seen for years, generally available. It is a piece of "flexible sandstone" ; which I understand had been given a non-technical '-ite' type name. The lady I purchased it from had collected it many years ago and could not remember the exact location. She believed it was form a location north or northeast of winston salem North Carolina. Any additional info available out there that might get me a little closer to proper labeling of specimen? Thank you so much...... Dennis Buffenmyer and family --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 06:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Mon May 20 05:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? Message-ID: Itacolumite is the name, but I don't know the locality. There are several. Cheers- Earl Verbeek >From: Dennis Buffenmyer >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:27:53 -0400 > >I recently purchased a piece of material I had not seen for years, >generally >available. >It is a piece of "flexible sandstone" ; which I understand had been given a >non-technical >'-ite' type name. The lady I purchased it from had collected it many years >ago >and could not remember the exact location. She believed it was form a >location >north or northeast of winston salem North Carolina. Any additional info >available out there that might get me a little closer to proper labeling of >specimen? >Thank you so much...... >Dennis Buffenmyer and family > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 06:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 20 05:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? Message-ID: <102.1562f5bb.2a1a4c21@aol.com> Hi Dennis, My label says "Itacolumite" Stokes County, North Carolina; however, I believe there is also a locality in Burke County. If you need anymore, I have quite a bit that I'll let you have quite cheaply. It doesn't sell up north. Thanks, Dave Phillips Sunset Fossils & Minerals Morgantown, WV From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 11:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon May 20 10:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member References: <000a01c1ffa5$d01f3f40$042707d8@joe> <3CE86690.5725@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002d01c20020$0f926100$961cbed8@powertech.net> > clayandkip wrote: > > > > As a new member there is'nt much to tell,my wife and I are very new at this. I am retired and we collect what we like and my daughter collects rocks out of the back of my pick-up when we return( I'm still thinking about that ).We would like a book on rocks & minerals of the pacific states, showing the rocks in a natural state,in the host material and what they look like after they are cleaned up.Your recommendations are appreciated. > > Thanks.........................Clay & Kip > > A couple of reasonable Field Guides are the Audobon Society Field Guide > to North American Rocks and Minerals (ISBN 0-394-50269-8) and the > Peterson Field Guides Rocks and Minerals (ISBN 0-395-91097-4, or pbk. > 0-395-91096-X). > Kreigh I would add that the Peterson guide generally shows more what you find in the field, while the Audubon guide tends to show "better" specimens -- more like nice "collectibles". They are both excellent books. Margaret > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 16:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Mon May 20 15:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] vuggy mines References: Message-ID: <00e401c20052$6b7456e0$0301a8c0@ferrari> I have a new question for the group. One of my biggest dreams in the rockhounding world is to find a quarry (or whatever) that has vugs with minerals inside. I would love to be able to peck away at a cliff face whether it be rock, dirt, or some combination of the two. I live near Philadelphia but I can travel anywhere roads may lead. Anyone know where I can find such a place? Thanks, Paul in South Jersey From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 18:47:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Mon May 20 17:47:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] vuggy mines References: <00e401c20052$6b7456e0$0301a8c0@ferrari> Message-ID: <000201c20060$ea7b3a40$0eb2950c@mel> Hi Paul Quartz in Arkansas is found in a red clay in the spaces between fractured base rock. Some are just cracks but the big ones are in vug shaped holes although clay filled. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 20:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 20 19:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" In-Reply-To: <3CE8EBC8.D257F164@ptd.net> References: <3CE0BD7D.2060900@earthlink.net> <009e01c1fe28$b7bf5080$5a85a141@jgcornish> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020520160327.01d289b0@mail.aloha.net> Dennis and family: Try this website from England: It tells about Itacolumite and locations, and even has a movie showing it flexing, if you wait long enough for it to load. http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ensab/Rock/ Aloha, Kitty At 08:27 AM 5/20/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I recently purchased a piece of material I had not seen for years, generally >available. >It is a piece of "flexible sandstone" ; which I understand had been given a >non-technical >'-ite' type name. > >Dennis Buffenmyer and family > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 20:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 20 19:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] vuggy mines Message-ID: <153.e2cc780.2a1b0b5e@aol.com> Vugs in rock are common. They are the primary place to find zeolite minerals as well as many other types. The closest place where you would find such rock might be Phoenixville, PA, where you can still dig in the old dumps of several lead mines and find pieces of vuggy rock containing drusy quartz and pyromorphite. The site has been dug a lot, so the odds are against any great finds, but it you dig in the right spots, you will certainly find some rocks of that sort. A better bet might by Gettysburg, at the old Teeter Quarry, which is now owned and operated by Valley Quarries. They have been friendly to rockhounds in the past, and probably will continue to be as long as you abide by their minimal restrictions concerning safety gear and staying away from the areas being actively worked. There you are likely to find zeolites in vugs, including stilbite, chabazite, and maybe some others, as well as epidote, yellow-brown andradite garnets, and shiny bits of bornite. Other minerals have been found there as well. Most exciting for you might be a bit further to the west, the Meckley Quarry, whose location escapes my aging brain at the moment. You'll find beautiful calcite and celestite there, possibly strontianite as well. Someone in your area can fill you in on where it is and what days you are allowed in. Good luck. Ed DeWindt-Robson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 20:32:44 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (digem) Date: Mon May 20 19:32:44 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas passed away References: <20020517190630.MHFQ11146.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <3CE9B09D.75231D99@plateautel.net> Has anyone found out any more details on if they're going to have a memorial or anything for those of us that knew him and loved him but weren't family? Thanks. A Sherry Pauley wrote: > This is very sad news and a great loss. Some might find this a good read. > 'Highlights from The Life and Times of John Sinkankas, by Jay L. Lininger' > http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm > Sherry > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 20:34:05 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 20 19:34:05 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? Message-ID: <004401c2006d$a0aca720$a397f7a5@pavilion> Dennis Flex sandstone occurs in several places in NC. The description north of WS sounds like the "origional" and best known locality in Stokes County, NC. The locality was a road cut in the Sauratown mountains. Over the years the roadcut had been dug to the point that a dangerous overhang existed. About 10 or 15 years ago the Department of Transportation blasted the overhang away and grassed the site over, Never to be collected again, Alas another good easy locality gone. Hope this helps. Kenny Gay, Geologist NC Geological Survey PS If you want more of the flex ss let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Buffenmyer To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? >I recently purchased a piece of material I had not seen for years, generally >available. >It is a piece of "flexible sandstone" ; which I understand had been given a >non-technical >'-ite' type name. The lady I purchased it from had collected it many years ago >and could not remember the exact location. She believed it was form a location >north or northeast of winston salem North Carolina. Any additional info >available out there that might get me a little closer to proper labeling of >specimen? >Thank you so much...... >Dennis Buffenmyer and family > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/x-vcard >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 20 22:40:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Mon May 20 21:40:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olmsteadite References: <8e.2803c2fd.2a1516af@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CE9D0EE.1250@rcn.com> Hi any personal info. about Milo Olmstead would be a great addition to my article. I did rec. page 5 of American Mineralogists, Volume 61, pages 5-11, 1976 from a friend at U.S.G.S.- Reston, VA. GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com _____ ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear GeorgiaO, > > I met Milo Olmstead when I went collecting in SD 27 years ago. Found some > olmsteadite. If you haven't seen any, I can post to my website. > > Best Regards, Van > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 21 08:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 21 07:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] vuggy mines Message-ID: <21130EE4.03EC0C35.02180873@aol.com> Mandata, PA. The quarry is usually only open to collecting one weekend in the fall. Not sure when it will be in 2002. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE Most exciting for you might be a bit further to the west, the Meckley Quarry, whose location escapes my aging brain at the moment. You'll find beautiful calcite and celestite there, possibly strontianite as well. Someone in your From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 22 21:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Wed May 22 20:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meckley Quarry References: <21130EE4.03EC0C35.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CEC650B.348B@rcn.com> search - Meckley Quarry and you will find information GeorgiaO ___ FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > > Mandata, PA. The quarry is usually only open to collecting one weekend in the fall. Not sure when it will be in 2002. > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > > Most exciting for you might be a bit further to the west, the Meckley Quarry, > whose location escapes my aging brain at the moment. You'll find beautiful > calcite and celestite there, possibly strontianite as well. Someone in your > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 22 22:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 22 21:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? Message-ID: <20020520124616.VJGY11146.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> The common name is "italcolumite," and in fact, Kenny Gay just had some for sale. I can't remember if he's on this list or one of the other ones. He should be able to give an exact locality. I got a few pieces that I am have having laterally and longitudinally thin sectioned. The structure should be interesting under the scope and I will try to take photos, though my petrographic scope is very old and I'll need to rig my own camera adapter. The Penn State museum out in State College, PA, has a wonderful exhibit of itacolumite. Mr. Dave Snell rigged up an oscillating display that shows a strip of the sandstone flexing. I'm not quite that motivated, but I am going to put it up between two posts so that you can see it sag in the middle. You may want to do the same thing in your display. Don > I recently purchased a piece of material I had not seen for years, generally > available. > It is a piece of "flexible sandstone" ; which I understand had been given a > non-technical > '-ite' type name. The lady I purchased it from had collected it many years ago > and could not remember the exact location. She believed it was form a location > north or northeast of winston salem North Carolina. Any additional info > available out there that might get me a little closer to proper labeling of > specimen? > Thank you so much...... > Dennis Buffenmyer and family From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 06:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 23 05:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? Message-ID: <003801c2024f$5f33d6e0$bb9cf7a5@pavilion> yes , am on this list and do have flexible sandstone for sale . please contact off list if interested for sizes and prices. thanks kenny -----Original Message----- From: morningstar@att.net To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? > >The common name is "italcolumite," and in fact, Kenny Gay >just had some for sale. I can't remember if he's on this >list or one of the other ones. He should be able to give >an exact locality. I got a few pieces that I am have >having laterally and longitudinally thin sectioned. The >structure should be interesting under the scope and I >will try to take photos, though my petrographic scope is >very old and I'll need to rig my own camera adapter. > >The Penn State museum out in State College, PA, has a >wonderful exhibit of itacolumite. Mr. Dave Snell rigged >up an oscillating display that shows a strip of the >sandstone flexing. I'm not quite that motivated, but I >am going to put it up between two posts so that you can >see it sag in the middle. You may want to do the same >thing in your display. > >Don > > >> I recently purchased a piece of material I had not seen for years, generally >> available. >> It is a piece of "flexible sandstone" ; which I understand had been given a >> non-technical >> '-ite' type name. The lady I purchased it from had collected it many years ago >> and could not remember the exact location. She believed it was form a location >> north or northeast of winston salem North Carolina. Any additional info >> available out there that might get me a little closer to proper labeling of >> specimen? >> Thank you so much...... >> Dennis Buffenmyer and family >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 19:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas & Elizabeth Yancey) Date: Thu May 23 18:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lithium Corp mine, Bessemer City, N.C. Message-ID: Can anyone lead me to a description of minerals found at the Lithium Corp mine near Bessemer City, North Carolina. I am interested in how similar the mineral suite and the geology compare with that of the Foote mine in North Carolina. I have information suggesting that several micro minerals with type locality at the Foote mine are present in the Lithium Corp mine. I am completely unfamiliar with the mines and minerals in that area so would appreciate any references or leads on finding information. Thanks. T. E. Yancey From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 20:29:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gil Nelson) Date: Thu May 23 19:29:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] ebay sale - specimens,cabs - Teller County,CO + Southern, AZ Message-ID: <000801c202ca$87515960$0100a8c0@e9q2b0> Hi List: This is an advertisement to the rockhounds opt-in list. I've got about 25 auctions up at eBay with material from Crystal Creek, CO and southern AZ. My eBay seller ID is gemnut the URL is: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=gemnu t&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&page=1&rows=100&showpics=0&stab=0 (if this link doen't get you there, copy the whole link and paste it into your browser address bar - then hit Enter. Material includes specimens of Goethite, Smokey Quartz, Amazonite, Smokey/Amaz combos, Microcline with Smokey Quartz and cabs and Sterling Silver jewelry with material from Morenci and Bisbee, AZ (and a few Malachites from Zaire). Chatoyant Malachite, Cuprite/Chalcotrichite/Copper, Azurite/Malachite, Tenorite/Variscite/etc ...copper related minerals for the most part. Mine and claim info from CO as follows: BLUEFROG Mine 105 deg 18 ' 54" W 39 deg 01' 59.5" N Crystal Creek, Teller County Colorado CMC # 249296 Rocket Mine 105 deg 18' 54" W 39 deg 02' 40" N CMC # 249297 Crystal Crk, Teller Co Colo. Rocket Prospect #1 105deg 18' 53"W 39deg 02' 40" N Turtle PPt [Bluefrog] 105deg 18' 53"W 39deg 01' 59.5" N CMC # 249296 Reference: April 1982 Lapidary Journal "Amethyst Quartz with Goethite Inclusions" Lewis Swindle p 144 Jan 1995 R&Minerals "Colorado's Rocket Mine" Geffner p46 Dec 1996 Rock and Gem "Lake George Goethites" Bob Jones p38 ; Sept. 01 R&M "Minerals of the Pikes Peak Batholith" Ed Raines p 298 [great bibliography] April 02 R&G Pikes Peak Amazonite, Bob Jones p48 World class Mineral Specimens/ Amazonite, CO's State stone: Crystal Creek CO is the best producing locality in the world for the vivid blue-green amazonite variety of microcline feldspar. The Rocket and Blue frog Mines have been known as the best producers of commercial quantities of world class specimens since 1994. Thanks for looking, Gil Nelson gemnut PS John Hainey, if you're out there, please email me OFFLIST at gemnut@homerknows.com thanks From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 20:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 23 19:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve - Penfield Quarry Fluorite Message-ID: <96.26cee351.2a1effdf@aol.com> Steve: Thought I'd let you know - I found a 17.6 ounce fluorite at Penfield the day of the dig. Clear, very slight bluish color, not enough to count. Two main cubes and several smaller cubes. Dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 21:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Thu May 23 20:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anyone with Penfield Quarry Fluorite for trade In-Reply-To: <96.26cee351.2a1effdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020524030015.96380.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dan and all, If anyone came away with undamaged fluorite cubes from the Penfield quarry they can trade let me know off-line. Thanks, Stan --- Lapidry@aol.com wrote: > Steve: > > Thought I'd let you know - I found a 17.6 ounce > fluorite at Penfield the day > of the dig. Clear, very slight bluish color, not > enough to count. Two main > cubes and several smaller cubes. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 22:08:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 23 21:08:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anyone with Penfield Quarry Fluorite for trade Message-ID: <126.112456ad.2a1f168e@aol.com> Stan I have a small specimen, undamaged, but some corners truncated and coated with micro dolomite, pale blue water-clear transparent flattened cube, but has some minor internal crazing, crystal is 2.0x1.5x0.8 cm, overall is 3x2x1 cm. You can have it if interested, I don't collect these things! Jeff From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 23 22:15:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 23 21:15:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anyone with Penfield Quarry Fluorite for trade Message-ID: <25.28033c30.2a1f1804@aol.com> I apologize for the previous personal message and if I may have offended anyone! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 24 07:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TED KOWALSKI) Date: Fri May 24 06:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spokane Washington Message-ID: <0033000065381429000002L092*@MHS> Fellow Rock Hounds: Work may send me to Spokane for a couple of days. Can anyone suggest where I might go locally around Spokane to hunt for rocks?... Also can I get some suggestions on Rock Shops to visit? Off list replies are welcome. Many Thanks in advance! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA TKowalsk@email.usps.gov From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 24 19:17:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 24 18:17:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Rockhounding Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I received this message anonymously with no specifics as to areas where they wish to rockhound. I have suggested starting with their local gem and mineral club and provided links for the AFMS, etc. If anyone has any other suggestions, please email her directly. The text of the message is provided below with any accompanying email address. Thanks for the help, Mark Easterbrook ______ I AM PLANNING A ROCKHOUNDING TRIP FOR MY GRANDSON(12) AND I. WE WOULD LIKE TO DIG, SCREEN AND PAN FOR OUR GEMS AND GOLD.WE CAN BRING OUR OWN SHOVEL AND PICK IF NEEDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? WE ARE REALLY INTO ROCKHOUNDING AND THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST REAL EXPERIENCE. WE WOULD PREFER A NON SALTED MINE. WE ALSO PLAN TO VISIT CHARLESTON AND HOPEFULLY HOOK UP WITH A TOUR THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LAST WE HOPE TO VISIT A CHEROKEE INDIAN RESERVATION. ANY INFO OR CONTACTS YOU CAN GIVE US WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. WE WILL BE GOING THE THIRD OR FOURTH WEEK OF JUNE OF THIS YEAR. LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR TRIP. SINCERELY, RONDA MULLIN Ronda Mullin Vonzipper62 Have a great day! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 24 22:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Fri May 24 21:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cab Polishing Message-ID: <000f01c203a1$976b3a00$f3fecba3@horstspc> Read with interest the article "Cab Polishing" in the April 2002 issue = of "Rock and Gem". The debate on what polshing powder to use on what = type of buff, reminds me of a story thatI experienced in the late = sixties. I was pretty new in the hobby, and my family and I undertook a tour = through Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), and met up with a few gem and mineral = collectors on the way. In Selukwe (now Chirugwe) we came across a gem = cutter by the name of Harry Fotheringham. At Selukwe there was a large = chrome mine and as one of its "by-products" , nephrite jade was found. I = exchanged some rough from South Africa for a chunk of this nephrite jade = and Harry insisted that when I polish a cabochon from this material, I = must use chrome oxide on a buff made from Indian bufallo hide (NOT = African buffalo) (or vice versa, memory fades with oncoming age) to = obtain the BEST polish. He even gave me a piece of bufallo hide, 9 = inches square, so that I could make myself the proper polishing buff; = I'm afraid, that piece of leather is still lying around in my rockroom = somewhere!! (I had to stop cutting and polishing cabs in 1973 due to = lower back problems and then decided to switch over to mineral = collecting). I DID cut and polish a cab from this material, and the 40 x = 30 cab still sits in my collection today, but I used a felt buff with = cerium oxide . Then a few months after that visit to Selukwe, our Club (Pretoria Gem = and Mineral Club) ordered some of this material from the mine (the Mine = Social Club raised funds by selling this material) and it was resold to = our members. Then in July 1969, I led my first "Extended RockhoundsdTour" (through = Rhodesia, have just concluded my tenth a few momnths ago) through = various parts of Southern Africa. We were a group of 66 rockhounds, = travelling in 22 cars for two weeks through Rhodesia. As Ian Smith, then = Prime Minister of Rhodesia, had called out UDI (Unilateral Declaration = of Independence) at that time, we as a group were not allowed on to the = dumps of this Chrome mine (where we had wanted to collect, but were only = allowed to approach the mine to a distance within five miles of the mine = gate. We could just have a look at he dumps from tha distance!! The mine officials offered their apologies for not being able to take us = on to the mine, but it was the time that economic sanctions were being = applied by the West on Rhodesia, because of UDI. Thus no information was = available of the tonnage this mine was producing, as the West was not = supposed to buy chrome ore from Rhodesia. But what was taking place, = this chrome ore was being exported via Beira in Mozambique to Russia, = who were again selling it to the USA (at a profit, I suppose). The mine = officials told us thatg all harold Wilson (the Prime Minister of the = United Kingdom and who was largely responsible for imposing sanctions on = Rhodesia) had to do, was put a "spy" on the railway siding at Selukwe = ad count the number of ore trucks leaving per day, to obtain an estimate = of holw much chrtome ore Rhodesia was putting on the world market at the = time!! Many years latyer, upon leading a similar tour through Zimbabwe (May = 1995), we did manage to get onto the dumps of this mine, but basically = only found some serpentine. Apparently by that time, the nephrite jasd = deposit had been worked out. Sorry, a long story, which started off with a discussion on the = polishing of cabs, but ended with some nostalgic memories of visiting = the site where the material came from, which was the subject of = discussion under "Cab polishing". Horst =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 03:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Sat May 25 02:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] "flex sandstone" winston/salem ? References: <20020520124616.VJGY11146.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <3CEF547A.E118BBAE@ptd.net> Don, Thanks for the reply! You mention Penn State....... I don't recognize your email address but do you know me? I live in Reinholds, Pa...... Dennis Buffenmyer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 05:04:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat May 25 04:04:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question: Beaver Valley Quarry? Message-ID: <3CEE6015.EF5DBDE4@gmx.de> Hello, does anyone know about the mineralogy of Beaver Valley Quarry, Jefferson Co., Washington, USA? Zeolites and copper? I would appreciate your help and any reference to publications on this locality. Thank you! Juergen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 06:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Hammer) Date: Sat May 25 05:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor Message-ID: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Trying to add some mineralogical humor to my pages at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minhumor.htm would anyone care to offer some additions? ===== "On the stormy sea of moving emotion...tossed about up like a ship on the ocean"-Kansas check out my home page at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 10:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat May 25 09:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is my favorite rock joke: http://www.opalvalley.com/tar/joke1.jpg Sherry > Trying to add some mineralogical humor to my pages at > http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minhumor.htm would anyone care to offer some additions? > "On the stormy sea of moving emotion...tossed about up like a ship on the ocean"-Kansas > check out my home page at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 11:23:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Sat May 25 10:23:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question: Beaver Valley Quarry? References: <3CEE6015.EF5DBDE4@gmx.de> Message-ID: <003d01c2040f$cfc4d8c0$9684a141@jgcornish> Hi Juergen, I wrote the paper, Copper, Zeolites, and Associated Minerals from the Beaver Valley, Quarry, Shine, Jefferson County, Washington with the assistance of Rudy Tschernich for the Spring 1999 issue of the Micro Probe (Vol. 8, No. 9), the newsletter for the Northwest Micro Mineral Study Group. The issue with the paper may be purchased from the newsletter editor, Don Howard of 356 S.E. 44th Ave. Portland, OR 97215. Five photomicrographs of copper and chalcocite from the locality are included with the newsletter. This is the only reference of any consequence for the locality. Is there something I may be able to help with? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Wachsmuth" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Question: Beaver Valley Quarry? > Hello, > > does anyone know about the mineralogy of Beaver Valley Quarry, Jefferson > Co., Washington, USA? Zeolites and copper? > I would appreciate your help and any reference to publications on this > locality. > > Thank you! > > Juergen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 14:10:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael D. McCormack) Date: Sat May 25 13:10:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Golden Horn Batholith, Washington Message-ID: Does anyone know of any articles or guides to collecting in this area of Washington state? i plan to be up in Wahington next month and would like to drop by there to do some collecting. It looks like a fairly large area, and I'd like to get more info on the geology, plaxes to look, etc. Thanks. Mike From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 15:34:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 25 14:34:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spokane Washington In-Reply-To: <0033000065381429000002L092*@MHS> Message-ID: Ted, There isn't much near Spokane, how far do you care to drive and what are you interested in? Lanny >Fellow Rock Hounds: > >Work may send me to Spokane for a couple of days. Can anyone suggest where I >might go locally around Spokane to hunt for rocks?... > >Also can I get some suggestions on Rock Shops to visit? > >Off list replies are welcome. > >Many Thanks in advance! > >Ted Kowalski > >Fredericksburg, VA USA > >TKowalsk@email.usps.gov >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 15:56:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 25 14:56:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Golden Horn Batholith, Washington In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mike, I have information on my web pages; look in the NW locality section, there is a brief description and a map. The same information is in the movie section with a movie showing some of the area and a couple of the collecting sites. In June, much of the area will still be buried under snow, but fortunately, a lot of the collecting is done in road cuts and roadside talus which will have better exposures, although it was a pretty good snow fall last winter and the spring has been cold, so snow melt is probably slow up there. If you want more information, email me. Regards, Lanny >Does anyone know of any articles or guides to collecting in this area of >Washington state? i plan to be up in Wahington next month and would like to >drop by there to do some collecting. It looks like a fairly large area, and >I'd like to get more info on the geology, plaxes to look, etc. > >Thanks. > >Mike > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 18:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat May 25 17:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF0286A.519@Tomaszewski.net> The Hammer wrote: > > Trying to add some mineralogical humor to my pages at > http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minhumor.htm would anyone care to offer some additions? > That was a gneiss old joke. Here is another I saved from the list ages ago. What do you get when... (Answers below) 1. Bovine eats feldspar 2. Lawyers sue silica miner 3. Dr.Suess' miner in Death Valley 4. Strong sun in the Arctic 5. Turner finds rosy sandstone deposits 6. The San Andreas stops moving 7. Very sudden loss of soil 8. Helicopter to transport CU 9. Geometrically formed mineral in the shape of a hand-gun 10. Idiot who loves Isometric minerals 11. Shakespeare's petroleum comedy 12. Casino on a geologic fault 13. Person who doesn't believe in volcanoes 14. Very, very hot coffee 15. Geologist who can't stop talking shop 16. Group of shiny crystals 17. Vivacious agate 18. Volcanic tax form entry 19. Rutilated quartz that really isn't 20. Climber after fossil resin 21. Senor finds ore in meadow 22. Blind, underground anthracite miner 23. Rock-hammer marks on actor Tom's fingers 24. A well behaved reef inhabitant 25. Over-dressed dame who likes small quartz Xls 26. The effect of Darwin's theories 27. The only eruption in town 28. Silica army posts 29. Tie up your Aussie gems 30. Be lonely for a rock fracture 31. Spy some dense grey silica 32. Hollow rock ball made by GM 33. Hot spring at a pharmaceutical company 34. Marker for the Sweet Home entrance 35. We got rid of the nugget! 36. Mixed up metamorphic limestone 37. Salt observed in the day-time 38. Argentina gemstone 39. Mica deposit nears surface 40. Cartoon ghost likes semi-precious gem 41. Rona's diamond 42. Machine used to shape limestone 43. Volcanic glass disappears 44. Courthouse date for claim jumping 45. Muffin maker's claim gives indigestion 46. Deer runs into open pit mine 47. Annual celebration for brick makers 48. Strike-slip fault moves a bit 49. A pebble in my argyles 50. Tysons igneous intrusion 51. Wind which blows fissile rock around 52. Chamberlain's deposit 53. Dish made of sedimentary rock 54. Area around the top of a volcano 55. Rocks identical images 56. Unforgettable dinosaur 57. Cost of banded metamorphic rock ================================================================== Answers: 1. cow bites albites 2. quartz torts 3. a borax lorax 4. glacier erasure 5. Ted's red beds 6. fault's halt 7. an erosion explosion 8. copper chopper 9. crystal pistol 10. cube boob 11. oil's well that ends well 12. a dip-joint clip-joint 13. igneous ignoramus 14. lava java 15. an ore bore 16. cluster luster 17. chert flirt 18. an eruption deduction 19. inclusion illusion 20. amber clamber 21. Spain plain vein 22. coal mole 23. Cruises' bruises 24. moral coral 25. a drusy floozie 26. evolution revolution 27. an exclusive extrusive 28. quartz forts 29. rope all opal 30. miss your fissure 31. flint glint 32. Geo geode 33. Pfizer geyser 34. fine mine sign 35. sold gold 36. garbled marble 37. daylight halite 38. La Paz topaz 39. a rising mass of isinglass 40. Casper's jasper 41. Barrett's carats 42. a limestone grindstone 43. obsidian oblivion 44. rock pocket docket 45. Thomas' pumices 46. quarry quarry 47. clay day 48. rift shift 49. sock rock 50. Mike's dike 51. shale gale 52. Wilt The Stilt's silt 53. slate plate 54. cone zone 55. stones clones 56. Jurassic classic 57. gneiss price (I think Larry Rush was responsible for their original posting). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 18:49:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat May 25 17:49:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor In-Reply-To: <3CF0286A.519@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020525144752.027eb280@mail.aloha.net> Who is it that has the "You can tell you're a rockhound when..." list of jokes? It's on somebody's website. The one I particularly like is: You take a bag of marbles with you when you go out collecting. Every time you find a good specimen you leave a marble in its place. You know you're a rockhound when you've lost all your marbles. Aloha, Kitty At 08:14 PM 5/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >The Hammer wrote: > > > > Trying to add some mineralogical humor to my pages at > > http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minhumor.htm would anyone care to offer > some additions? > > > >That was a gneiss old joke. > >Here is another I saved from the list ages ago. > >What do you get when... >(Answers below) > >1. Bovine eats feldspar >2. Lawyers sue silica miner >3. Dr.Suess' miner in Death Valley >4. Strong sun in the Arctic >5. Turner finds rosy sandstone deposits >6. The San Andreas stops moving >7. Very sudden loss of soil >8. Helicopter to transport CU >9. Geometrically formed mineral in the shape of a hand-gun >10. Idiot who loves Isometric minerals >11. Shakespeare's petroleum comedy >12. Casino on a geologic fault >13. Person who doesn't believe in volcanoes >14. Very, very hot coffee >15. Geologist who can't stop talking shop >16. Group of shiny crystals >17. Vivacious agate >18. Volcanic tax form entry >19. Rutilated quartz that really isn't >20. Climber after fossil resin >21. Senor finds ore in meadow >22. Blind, underground anthracite miner >23. Rock-hammer marks on actor Tom's fingers >24. A well behaved reef inhabitant >25. Over-dressed dame who likes small quartz Xls >26. The effect of Darwin's theories >27. The only eruption in town >28. Silica army posts >29. Tie up your Aussie gems >30. Be lonely for a rock fracture >31. Spy some dense grey silica >32. Hollow rock ball made by GM >33. Hot spring at a pharmaceutical company >34. Marker for the Sweet Home entrance >35. We got rid of the nugget! >36. Mixed up metamorphic limestone >37. Salt observed in the day-time >38. Argentina gemstone >39. Mica deposit nears surface >40. Cartoon ghost likes semi-precious gem >41. Rona's diamond >42. Machine used to shape limestone >43. Volcanic glass disappears >44. Courthouse date for claim jumping >45. Muffin maker's claim gives indigestion >46. Deer runs into open pit mine >47. Annual celebration for brick makers >48. Strike-slip fault moves a bit >49. A pebble in my argyles >50. Tysons igneous intrusion >51. Wind which blows fissile rock around >52. Chamberlain's deposit >53. Dish made of sedimentary rock >54. Area around the top of a volcano >55. Rocks identical images >56. Unforgettable dinosaur >57. Cost of banded metamorphic rock > >================================================================== >Answers: > >1. cow bites albites >2. quartz torts >3. a borax lorax >4. glacier erasure >5. Ted's red beds >6. fault's halt >7. an erosion explosion >8. copper chopper >9. crystal pistol >10. cube boob >11. oil's well that ends well >12. a dip-joint clip-joint >13. igneous ignoramus >14. lava java >15. an ore bore >16. cluster luster >17. chert flirt >18. an eruption deduction >19. inclusion illusion >20. amber clamber >21. Spain plain vein >22. coal mole >23. Cruises' bruises >24. moral coral >25. a drusy floozie >26. evolution revolution >27. an exclusive extrusive >28. quartz forts >29. rope all opal >30. miss your fissure >31. flint glint >32. Geo geode >33. Pfizer geyser >34. fine mine sign >35. sold gold >36. garbled marble >37. daylight halite >38. La Paz topaz >39. a rising mass of isinglass >40. Casper's jasper >41. Barrett's carats >42. a limestone grindstone >43. obsidian oblivion >44. rock pocket docket >45. Thomas' pumices >46. quarry quarry >47. clay day >48. rift shift >49. sock rock >50. Mike's dike >51. shale gale >52. Wilt The Stilt's silt >53. slate plate >54. cone zone >55. stones clones >56. Jurassic classic >57. gneiss price > >(I think Larry Rush was responsible for their original posting). >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 19:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat May 25 18:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020525144752.027eb280@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3CF03DD4.5802@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Who is it that has the "You can tell you're a rockhound when..." list of > jokes? It's on somebody's website. The one I particularly like is: > You can find it at Bob's Rock Shop http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/table.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 20:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat May 25 19:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor In-Reply-To: <3CF03DD4.5802@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020525144752.027eb280@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020525160929.027eaa60@mail.aloha.net> Yeah, Kreigh, I just remembered that. It's under "Meanderings." Bob's=20 also used to have a contest page, but it doesn't seem to be there any more. Here are 2 more sites for "You might be a rockhound if=85" that are mostly= =20 the same but have a few different ones: http://fgms.home.att.net/rokhound.htm http://www.amfed.org/rockhoun.htm Bill's and my favorite is the following, because we actually DID shout it=20 out, only thankfully we were watching the video at home! You shouted "Obsidian!" to a theater full of moviegoers while watching "The= =20 Shawshank Redemption". Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >You can find it at Bob's Rock Shop > > http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/table.html >_______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 20:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick L. Olmstead) Date: Sat May 25 19:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF04886.44D@rcn.com> HELLO CUTE!! JOKE! Who does it 'belong' to?? GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com _______ Sherry Pauley wrote: > > This is my favorite rock joke: > http://www.opalvalley.com/tar/joke1.jpg > Sherry > > > Trying to add some mineralogical humor to my pages at > > http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minhumor.htm would anyone care to offer > some additions? > > "On the stormy sea of moving emotion...tossed about up like a ship on the > ocean"-Kansas > > check out my home page at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 21:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (clayandkip) Date: Sat May 25 20:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] URL Message-ID: <003d01c20463$b774be30$7e2707d8@joe> This is for Juergen Wachsmith; url to Beaver Valley quarry,jefferson county,wa. This has the info you = require.To make this work use GOOGLE search engine.If you have a problem = contact me and I will send you the link. Clay http://students.washington.edu/~amethyst/bvq.htm =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 25 21:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Hammer) Date: Sat May 25 20:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor reply Message-ID: <20020526033221.71358.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> It figures that the same day I start this the host of my web site is down..I am reading all the replies and will have it all going as soon as they are back up..with the holiday weekend I hope this doesn't mean all the way to tuesday !!!!! The URL you mentioned seems not to work. what's up ? Greetings, Rik Dillen -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of The Hammer Sent: 25 May, 2002 2:46 PM To: Post Rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor Trying to add some mineralogical humor to my pages at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minhumor.htm would anyone care to offer some additions? ===== "On the stormy sea of moving emotion...tossed about up like a ship on the ocean"-Kansas check out my home page at http://hammerron.crosswinds.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 26 07:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun May 26 06:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020525160929.027eaa60@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: You might be a rockhound if, as in my case, your wife forces the purchase of a bed with sides down to the floor, so that you can't put boxes underneath the bed anymore. BTW I know a collector, who is now about 80 years old, who bought the house at the backside of his yard to put his stones in... Greetings, Rik Dillen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 26 08:05:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Hammer) Date: Sun May 26 07:05:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Off topic-My mineral site Message-ID: <20020526140404.32527.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Yes this is off topic AND about my mineral site http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minerals.htm The site has been down and up and down way too much as of late. I want to consider a new web host (I will also get my own domain so people won't have to keep changing addresses)...any recomendation for a web host that is both cheap and dependable? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 26 08:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sun May 26 07:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Off topic-My mineral site References: <20020526140404.32527.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c204c0$34f68bc0$0301a8c0@ferrari> I use Virtual Empire. They charge $9.95 a month and that includes a cgi based shopping cart. I have 4 websites there now. www.virtualempire.com Paul in South Jersey ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hammer" To: "Post Rockhounds" Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 10:04 Subject: [Rockhounds] Off topic-My mineral site > Yes this is off topic AND about my mineral site > http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minerals.htm The site has been down and up and down > way too much as of late. I want to consider a new web host (I will also get my own > domain so people won't have to keep changing addresses)...any recomendation for a > web host that is both cheap and dependable? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 26 11:23:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sun May 26 10:23:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral humor References: <20020525124537.84248.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> <3CF04886.44D@rcn.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure, it was sent to the arrowhead list I'm on called The Tarp at Yahoo!. It looks like someone scanned it. The copyright is on it: www.creators.com Deering. Sherry > HELLO > CUTE!! JOKE! > > Who does it 'belong' to?? > > GeorgiaO > folmstead@rcn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 26 14:04:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TFAJr) Date: Sun May 26 13:04:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Off topic-My mineral site In-Reply-To: <20020526140404.32527.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Check out burlee.com. A bit more expensive than $9.95 but has not been down to my knowledge in 2+ years. They really do have a state of the art facility and good support. They are currently running a special for 3 free months. Good people. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." Leonardo da vinci > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of The Hammer > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 10:04 AM > To: Post Rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] Off topic-My mineral site > > > Yes this is off topic AND about my mineral site > http://hammerron.crosswinds.net/minerals.htm The site has been > down and up and down > way too much as of late. I want to consider a new web host (I > will also get my own > domain so people won't have to keep changing addresses)...any > recomendation for a > web host that is both cheap and dependable? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 27 19:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Mon May 27 18:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Used Petrographic Microscope Wanted Message-ID: Hi All, Some while back there was a long and entertaining post on waiting around for the microscopes to come under the hammer at an auction sale of second hand science stuff if I remember it correctly. In the course of his story the poster mentioned that when the microscopes did finally come up, he was bidding not just against private individuals but also against professional used equipment dealers. Which brings me to the substance of this post. I have a friend who is looking for a second hand petrographic microscope, preferably a Zeiss or a Nikon. Can anyone on the list steer me toward a dealer in second-hand microscopes? Or does anyone on the list have such a microscope for sale, or know someone who does or who might? Any help or pointers greatly appreciated... Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 27 21:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 27 20:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Used Petrographic Microscope Wanted Message-ID: <120.10cc0919.2a245913@aol.com> Check eBay. I bought an excellent scope at auction for my micromounting work, brand new in the box, for well under half of retail. ($250 for a $600 binocular scope) You may have to watch the auctions for a few weeks to see what you want for a good price, but it will surely be there if you wait. Ed DeWindt-Robson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 28 08:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TED KOWALSKI) Date: Tue May 28 07:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) Fwd: Rockhounding Message-ID: <0033000065749321000002L012*@MHS> All: My apologies for responding to the list, but I do not have the original email address. I do show a Vonzipper62 in remnants of an html link, but not the @ site. Mark: My guess from several of the options she is naming, that Ms. Mullin is swinging through North and South Carolina. While I know the other opportunities exist, I can not speak to them directly. Gold panning opportunities do exist in North and South Carolina: Try http://www.goldmaps.com/east.html for more information. Franklin, North Carolina is a center for access to many mines both salted and unsalted. Try http://www.franklin-chamber.com/frmst_gemmining.html for more information (Personally, I like the wood creek mine near Canton, NC) Cherokee Indian Reservation: Check out Cherokee Reservation on the edge of the Great Smoky Mountains Park. http://www.cherokee-nc.com/ Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA TKowalsk@email.usps.gov -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com at INTERNET Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:16 PM To: Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com at INTERNET Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Rockhounding Hi Everyone, I received this message anonymously with no specifics as to areas where they wish to rockhound. I have suggested starting with their local gem and mineral club and provided links for the AFMS, etc. If anyone has any other suggestions, please email her directly. The text of the message is provided below with any accompanying email address. Thanks for the help, Mark Easterbrook ______ I AM PLANNING A ROCKHOUNDING TRIP FOR MY GRANDSON(12) AND I. WE WOULD LIKE TO DIG, SCREEN AND PAN FOR OUR GEMS AND GOLD.WE CAN BRING OUR OWN SHOVEL AND PICK IF NEEDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? WE ARE REALLY INTO ROCKHOUNDING AND THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST REAL EXPERIENCE. WE WOULD PREFER A NON SALTED MINE. WE ALSO PLAN TO VISIT CHARLESTON AND HOPEFULLY HOOK UP WITH A TOUR THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LAST WE HOPE TO VISIT A CHEROKEE INDIAN RESERVATION. ANY INFO OR CONTACTS YOU CAN GIVE US WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. WE WILL BE GOING THE THIRD OR FOURTH WEEK OF JUNE OF THIS YEAR. LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR TRIP. SINCERELY, RONDA MULLIN Ronda Mullin Vonzipper62 Have a great day! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 28 13:09:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 28 12:09:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lithium Corp mine, Bessemer City, N.C. Message-ID: <38.2880cdd6.2a252f9b@aol.com> It's a bit left-handed to mention it, but there is a comparison of what dickinsonite and arrojadite look like at http://www.geocities.com/mainemininghistory/dkns (For those of you who can't wait to know the answer. They both look alike and are olive green.) It seems that there has been a local tradition in NC that dickinsonite from the LCA quarry is white to clear in tabular crystals, in several mm size range. These crystals are actually bertrandite. I do have, somewhere, a specimen of tiny, dickinsonite xls from LCA quarry which are olive green which are associated with bertrandite. I suspect that, at one time, a specimen was labeled for the rarer, inconspicuous dickinsonite without noting the bertrandite and this was the information passed around. Will put a dickinsonite photo from LCA, when I locate the specimen. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 28 21:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue May 28 20:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Used Petrographic Microscope Wanted References: Message-ID: <3CF2ED9A.95AAC16F@att.net> Hans, You might try Absolute Clarity & Calibration at http://www.absoluteclarity.com/ They often have reconditioned equipment. I think it is better to go through a dealer and I will explain why. I have seen three petrographic scopes for sale privately, and *none* of them had all the required accessories. I bought one, and I had to pay as much to have the scope reconditioned and replace the missing interference plate as I did for the scope itself! (not from the dealer above) If buying privately, some other things to watch for: a cross-hair eyepiece is very helpful in centering the slide; see if one is included. Make sure none of the strain-free objectives have not been replaced with standard ones. If there is an eyepiece with a measuring reticle, make certain there is also a calibrating slide included, or else the measuring reticle is nearly useless. Make sure the stage clips hold the slide firmly, and if there is a mechanical stage, so much the better. And of course, make certain none of the plates are chipped or cracked. Parts for older scopes can be very difficult to find, and can be very expensive when you find them. If you call AC&C, they will confirm all this. Good luck! Don "H.Durstling" wrote: > > Can anyone on the list steer me toward a dealer in second-hand microscopes? > Or does anyone on the list have such a microscope for sale, or know someone > who does or who might? > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 28 21:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue May 28 20:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H References: <153.e2cc780.2a1b0b5e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> This alert is long overdue. But I've been seeing infected messages from other rockhounds in the past week. If you are a user of IE, please read about the virus at: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99455.htm Furthermore, please go here and patch your system: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp The problem with this virus is that if you are a vulnerable IE system, the virus would just activate as soon as you try to read it with Outlook. Over the past week, I've been seeing a number of messages from Rockhounds. The messages might look rather blank, or have one valid looking attachment. Specifically, if you read a message and it asks if you want to look at the insecure elements, say NO!!!! Also, if you haven't updated your antivirus in the past month, please do so immediately. Jimmy PS. Do not respond to the sender. His email has been forged. He didn't send it. Just delete it. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 29 08:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 29 07:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - Website Sale and Updates Message-ID: <111.12e8ed44.2a264174@aol.com> Hi! I have decided to once again have my "Beginning of June Website Sale". The sale will begin at approximately 9 a.m. Central Standard Time on Wednesday, June 5 and will end at 10 p.m. Central Standard Time on Sunday, June 9. Most all of the specimens currently available in my "General Stock" galleries will be offered at "sale prices", some as high as 75% off. This sale will not include any of the specimens recently posted to the site, or specimens currently posted in the "What's New" galleries. Please check it out - there should be some very good "buys" available! I plan to have a major update in the "What's New" galleries tomorrow morning, Thursday, May 30. This will consist mainly of good miniature specimens priced from $10 - $300. I now have the Elmwood suite here in St. Louis. There are some great specimens and I am currently working hard to get them ready for sale. I will hopefully post all in a week or so; I will send out a notice before this happens. The suite includes some great fluorites, calcites, etc. and were formally in the collection of Steve Neely. I have yet to pick up the balance of the lot of the Pennsyvlania calcites. I hope to do this early next week. Once I get them here in St. Louis I will get them processed as quickly as I can for sale and get them all on the site. I put a "teaser" on the site this past week of these specimens; when I get the entire lot here and on the site there will be specimens available in all price ranges and sizes. Don't forget to check out my offerings on Ebay under the seller name "weinrch@aol.com"! I hope that everyone has a great summer! Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 29 18:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed May 29 17:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H References: <153.e2cc780.2a1b0b5e@aol.com> <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002d01c2076c$8eb0a980$a61cbed8@powertech.net> Thanks, Jimmy. My ISP has intercepted a couple of viruses recently. One was purportedly from a friend, and it wasn't on rockhounds, or LA rocks, or any thjing else -- just a friend. But neither of them were Klez.H, which I'd never heard of. And neither was in an attachment. Sure glad my ISP offers that service. these jerks are just getting too sneaky! Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chengi Jimmy Kuo" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H > This alert is long overdue. But I've been seeing infected messages from > other rockhounds in the past week. If you are a user of IE, please read > about the virus at: > > http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99455.htm > > Furthermore, please go here and patch your system: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/ bulletin/MS01-020.asp > > The problem with this virus is that if you are a vulnerable IE system, > the virus would just activate as soon as you try to read it with Outlook. > > Over the past week, I've been seeing a number of messages from > Rockhounds. The messages might look rather blank, or have one valid > looking attachment. Specifically, if you read a message and it asks if > you want to look at the insecure elements, say NO!!!! > > Also, if you haven't updated your antivirus in the past month, please do > so immediately. > > Jimmy > > PS. Do not respond to the sender. His email has been forged. He > didn't send it. Just delete it. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 30 23:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kemp LaMunyon(vally)) Date: Thu May 30 22:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thundereggs, Wood slabs, and Crystals Message-ID: <00c301c20862$a2107540$6401a8c0@knnwck.wa.charter.com> We posted several of each at our auction site. If you know where this unknown material is from leave me a message, please. I will adjust the listing to show the locations of unknown materials. Thanks Kemp GeoSearch Engine, GeoSearch Engine Auction, RMG Banner exchange, Rocks http://www.geosearchengine.com --- (Geology & related products of Search Engine) ICQ:2567788 --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 05:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 31 04:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pennsylvania widenmannite Message-ID: Dear List, Several (dare I say many) years ago, I saw a report of widenmannite from Pennsylvania. Does anyone out there know where it was found? I seem to remember that it was one of the localities around Jim Thorpe, Carbon Co., PA. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 07:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gloria Hoover) Date: Fri May 31 06:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADV: Mineral Stamp Pins Message-ID: <3CF78143.7F095602@ix.netcom.com> Do you remember the old 10 cent mineral stamps from the Post Office???? Yes, it was a long, long time ago lol. Well, a friend of ours had some of them made into lapel pins, sold them for awhile and put the rest into a box in his store room. Recently the box was uncovered! To get to the point, we are offering the lapel type pins for sale check some of them out at http://natures-emporium.com/mineralstamps.html if you are interested in the box (just a little larger than a shoe box) email me and we can talk bulk price, etc. Gloria http://natures-emporium.com/ Jewelry, jade, quartz, decor items, bookends http://frontporchcoffee.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 08:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (digem) Date: Fri May 31 07:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H References: <153.e2cc780.2a1b0b5e@aol.com> <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CF78652.8C4CF0C4@plateautel.net> I have received a warning from my Norton about infected emails with this virus probably thirty times in the last week. The whole title is W32.Klez.h@mm. Whoever has it ( and there are quite a few different people ), please get rid of it. Thanks, A Chengi Jimmy Kuo wrote: > This alert is long overdue. But I've been seeing infected messages from > other rockhounds in the past week. If you are a user of IE, please read > about the virus at: > > http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99455.htm > > Furthermore, please go here and patch your system: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp > > The problem with this virus is that if you are a vulnerable IE system, > the virus would just activate as soon as you try to read it with Outlook. > > Over the past week, I've been seeing a number of messages from > Rockhounds. The messages might look rather blank, or have one valid > looking attachment. Specifically, if you read a message and it asks if > you want to look at the insecure elements, say NO!!!! > > Also, if you haven't updated your antivirus in the past month, please do > so immediately. > > Jimmy > > PS. Do not respond to the sender. His email has been forged. He > didn't send it. Just delete it. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 10:06:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri May 31 09:06:02 2002 Subject: [ADMIN] Re: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H In-Reply-To: <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm going to second this announcment. Rockhounds has been getting five to six Klez.H infected viruses per day. Our filters are catching them, for now. Please obtain antivirus software and make sure your computer is clean. If you can't afford to purchase a package, GriSoft (a small firm out of Chekoslovakia, I believe), offers AntiVirusGuard free for personal, non-commercial (read: non-corporate) use. It's not as full-featured as Norton or SAV, but the price is right. It also offers tight intergration with Outlook 2000 and Outlook Express 5.0 and later. http://www.grisoft.com/ Oh, and we all could also just go back to using command-line email clients (Pine, Mutt) on remote servers using IMAP. Just a thought (tounge sticks out). afox Rockhounds Admin > This alert is long overdue. But I've been seeing infected messages from > other rockhounds in the past week. If you are a user of IE, please read > about the virus at: > > http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99455.htm > > Furthermore, please go here and patch your system: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp > > The problem with this virus is that if you are a vulnerable IE system, > the virus would just activate as soon as you try to read it with Outlook. > > Over the past week, I've been seeing a number of messages from > Rockhounds. The messages might look rather blank, or have one valid > looking attachment. Specifically, if you read a message and it asks if > you want to look at the insecure elements, say NO!!!! > > Also, if you haven't updated your antivirus in the past month, please do > so immediately. > > Jimmy > > PS. Do not respond to the sender. His email has been forged. He > didn't send it. Just delete it. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request BREAKFST.COM halted: Cereal Port not responding From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 10:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Fri May 31 09:19:00 2002 Subject: [ADMIN] Re: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H References: Message-ID: <3CF7A36A.B746A46F@utoronto.ca> Aaron Fox wrote: > Oh, and we all could also just go back to using command-line email > clients (Pine, Mutt) on remote servers using IMAP. Just a thought (tounge > sticks out). Actually, though not for much longer, I can prescreen my messages in Pine. I'll miss this quick and easy way of safely eliminating risk and garbage beforehand. Liz Fodi liz.fodi@utoronto.ca From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 11:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Fri May 31 10:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H References: <153.e2cc780.2a1b0b5e@aol.com> <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> <3CF78652.8C4CF0C4@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <000001c208c5$a5f6f540$1836c143@7a2wp> Symantec Security Response - W32.Klez Removal Tool Symantec offers a tool to remove infections of all known variants of W32.Klez@mm and all known variants of W32.Elkern. An online demonstration on how to ... http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.too l.html (And it's free). -dan- __ "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson http://www.ManyFacets.com/ (rockshop) http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/ (personal) ----- Original Message ----- From: "digem" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:18 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H > I have received a warning from my Norton about infected emails with this virus probably thirty times > in the last week. The whole title is W32.Klez.h@mm. Whoever has it ( and there are quite a few > different people ), please get rid of it. > Thanks, > A From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 12:41:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri May 31 11:41:00 2002 Subject: [ADMIN] Re: [Rockhounds] Virus alert, Klez.H In-Reply-To: References: <3CF44A1C.5020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020531113928.01592838@mail.spiritone.com> Yeah right on Aaron! I miss pine! At 09:05 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'm going to second this announcment. Rockhounds has been getting five to >six Klez.H infected viruses per day. Our filters are catching them, for >now. Please obtain antivirus software and make sure your computer is clean. > >If you can't afford to purchase a package, GriSoft (a small firm out of >Chekoslovakia, I believe), offers AntiVirusGuard free for personal, >non-commercial (read: non-corporate) use. It's not as full-featured as >Norton or SAV, but the price is right. It also offers tight intergration >with Outlook 2000 and Outlook Express 5.0 and later. > >http://www.grisoft.com/ > >Oh, and we all could also just go back to using command-line email >clients (Pine, Mutt) on remote servers using IMAP. Just a thought (tounge >sticks out). > >afox >Rockhounds Admin > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 31 19:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters) Date: Fri May 31 18:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Weekend References: <00c301c20862$a2107540$6401a8c0@knnwck.wa.charter.com> Message-ID: <3CF7DBBF.5070107@cox.net> Rockhounds around Los Angeles area. Two great happy hunting grounds, Glendora Rock and Mineral show 859 E. Sierra Madre Goddard Middle School Walt Bowser's Retirement Rock and Mineral Blowout Sale 407 E Ramona Blvd, Alhambra Both Saturday and Sunday I will be at both, Glendora with Carol Bova at her booth Sunday afternoon at a Gemini Birthday Party at Walt's Hope to see you all there. Terrie