From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 1 08:57:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 1 07:57:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - Website Auctions Message-ID: Hi! With the recent success of the "Reverse Auction" that I ran from the website (170 out of 180 specimens sold), I think that I will make this a regular "everyday feature" of the website. You will now find one, soon to be several, galleries of specimens which will be offered in a "Reverse Auction". The first day the discount will be 90% off the listed price, reducing by 10% each day for 8 days down to 80% off. There will be specimens in all price ranges included in these auctions. I hope that you are able to find a few "bargains"! The first one starts today (Oct. 1, 2002). I will get another 30 or 40 specimens up for a new auction by the middle or end of this week. Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 1 09:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 1 08:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad Correction Message-ID: <12a.184ef940.2acb1c30@aol.com> In my e-mail I stated my numbers pertaining to the auction wrong. The first day is 10% off, going in 10% increments until 80% off. Sorry for the mix-up! Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 3 13:48:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 3 12:48:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] More people for whom minerals were named Message-ID: <88.1f2696ff.2acdf8d3@aol.com> Dear Don, Thanks for the info. I've already mentioned that the carlosruizite was named for Carlos Ruiz F. The "F." is used for designation of a Spanish heritage name referring to one's mother's maiden name, as I understand the custom. When I was a biological laboratory assistant, 30 years ago, (sorting and identifying marine zooplankton), one of my friends who had been in the lab and formerly in the Peace Corps, was getting married to a woman from Cali, Columbia. We called information in Cali to wish him well, but found that there were four full double column pages of Roberto Lozano's, Kevin's future father-in-law's name. As one of our lab mates was a Peace Corps companion of our friend. He asked the operator to give us the number for Roberto Lozano Lozano. There was a full page of these people. Finally, he dredged up from his memory that the the full name is Roberto Lozano Lozano Lozano - there were only four of those and got through on the first one. Many of you know the Brazilian mineral dealer Luis Menezes. A longer version of his name is Luis Menezes Diaz Fielho - with apologies for any spelling errors. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 09:35:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Oct 4 08:35:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Exotic Fossil Replacements, Part 2 --- GSA Memoir 67 Message-ID: <00b401c26bba$4fba6560$64d85b41@jgcornish> Hi All, I just came across this reference in the March/ April 1986 issue of = Rocks and Minerals in the Rock Chips column by R. Dirk Titamgim, he = states, " Fossils have been recorded as preserved by 50 different = mineral species. The minerals --- 2 native elements, 9 sulfides, 8 = oxides, 2 halides, 7 carbonates, 3 sulfates, 1 molybdate, 4 phosphates, = 1 vanadate, and 13 silicates --- have been tabulated by Harry S. Ladd = (see Table 1, p. 22 - 23 in Geological Society of America Memoir 67, = 1957". Does anyone out there have a copy of this paper? Thank you for = your time and consideration, John PS an example given in this small note was made of a = grossular-andradite garnet clam from metamorphic rocks of the Yerington = mining district, Nevada, USA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 09:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Fri Oct 4 08:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Exotic Fossil Replacements, Part 2 --- GSA Memoir 67 In-Reply-To: <00b401c26bba$4fba6560$64d85b41@jgcornish> Message-ID: <6C99B420-D7B1-11D6-BE18-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> i pulled up this book by harry lad "1952. Ladd, Harry S.; The Stratigraphy and Paleontology of the Maquoketa Shale of Iowa. Iowa Geol. Survey, 1929. Quarto, pp. 144, 14 plates. Original wraps, light edge and spine wear to binding, very good. $20." maybe there are more with more searching this was one of the top ten outta google heres the website http://www.geology-books.com/paleolz.html KM On Friday, October 4, 2002, at 08:25 AM, John & Gloria Cornish wrote: > Harry S. Ladd (see Table 1, p. 22 - 23 in Geological Society of > America Memoir 67, 1957 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 13:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Oct 4 12:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz Colors, revisited Message-ID: There was a discussion back in July regarding the causes of colors in quartz crystals. I used the results as a bonus question for my Geology 204 (Physical Geology) students on their mineral ID lab. However, in my haste, I'd forgotten that I'd never figured out what causes the citrine color. So, after a little googling, I came up with: http://minerals.gps.caltech.edu/AMETRINE/Index.htm Amethyst: Fe+4 Citrine: Fe+3 But more importantly, does anybody have any of this 'amatrine' available for sale? I'd like to put some in our lab. I'm off to check Ebay next. (being back in college rocks....;-) Aaron -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 15:40:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard Dale) Date: Fri Oct 4 14:40:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz Colors, Ametrine References: Message-ID: <006501c26bee$3143a360$e1810244@ph.cox.net> You may as well have the best! Check the following link for a flawless faceted "A" color ametrine - I don't think you can beat this price/quality; I bought it personally at the only mine in the world that produces stones this sharply divided. http://www.dalerocks.com/78/42.htm?677 Cheers, Richard www.dalerocks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz Colors, revisited > There was a discussion back in July regarding the causes of colors in > quartz crystals. I used the results as a bonus question for my Geology 204 > (Physical Geology) students on their mineral ID lab. > > However, in my haste, I'd forgotten that I'd never figured out what causes > the citrine color. So, after a little googling, I came up with: > http://minerals.gps.caltech.edu/AMETRINE/Index.htm > > Amethyst: Fe+4 > Citrine: Fe+3 > > But more importantly, does anybody have any of this 'amatrine' available > for sale? I'd like to put some in our lab. I'm off to check Ebay next. > > (being back in college rocks....;-) > > Aaron > > -- > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 17:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Raugh) Date: Fri Oct 4 16:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earrings Message-ID: <000e01c26bfc$87e5a520$5d5c8141@oemcomputer> Hope this is not too off-topic, but I'll try. About ten years ago I = bought my wife small carved coral earrings from a department store for = $20 (yeah, I know, I am cheap). They were beautiful but the one fell = off. I would like get another set. How do I make sure they will hold = up next time? Should I look for prongs to hold them on? Are any of you = folks jewelry makers? The coral was a neat pink and cream carved to = look like roses, a touch under 10 mm. Thanx, stan PS--remember, I am = cheap! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 18:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Oct 4 17:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? Message-ID: Anybody ever do this? We've not got the money to always buy new streak plates, so I'm looking for easy ways to clean them. I've been using a fine silica sand between two of them to get the majority of the ground-in mineral fines off. But there's still a scum deep down in the porcelain. I could take them to the thin section lab and run carbide grit on them, but that's still more work. I was thinking of trying a bleach bath. Does anyone else have suggestions? Thanks, y'all! Aaron -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 18:25:06 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Oct 4 17:25:06 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Exotic Fossil Replacements, Part 2 --- GSA Memoir 67 References: <6C99B420-D7B1-11D6-BE18-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> Message-ID: <00db01c26c04$5b264960$64d85b41@jgcornish> Hi Kris, I had already run a google search prior to my request and had only managed a site offering the second of the three volumes comprising this memoir. Thanks much for the tip though, I appreciate your taking the time. All the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Murray" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Exotic Fossil Replacements, Part 2 --- GSA Memoir 67 > i pulled up this book by harry lad "1952. Ladd, Harry S.; The > Stratigraphy and Paleontology of the Maquoketa Shale of Iowa. Iowa > Geol. Survey, 1929. Quarto, pp. 144, 14 plates. Original wraps, light > edge and spine wear to binding, very good. $20." maybe there are more > with more searching this was one of the top ten outta google heres the > website > http://www.geology-books.com/paleolz.html > KM > On Friday, October 4, 2002, at 08:25 AM, John & Gloria Cornish wrote: > > > Harry S. Ladd (see Table 1, p. 22 - 23 in Geological Society of > > America Memoir 67, 1957 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 4 18:31:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Oct 4 17:31:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ultrasonic cleaner? > -----Original Message----- > I was thinking of trying a bleach bath. Does anyone else have suggestions? > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 10:07:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Oct 5 09:07:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? References: Message-ID: <3D9F0DFE.37F8@Tomaszewski.net> Aaron Fox wrote: > > Anybody ever do this? We've not got the money to always buy new streak > plates, so I'm looking for easy ways to clean them. Toss them in the dishwasher? > > I've been using a fine silica sand between two of them to get the majority > of the ground-in mineral fines off. But there's still a scum deep down in > the porcelain. I could take them to the thin section lab and run carbide > grit on them, but that's still more work. > > I was thinking of trying a bleach bath. Does anyone else have suggestions? > The last time I needed a new streak plate I went to my local tile store and asked if I could go dumpster diving. I came up with a few sheets of unglazed bathroom floor tiles (2 in) that have lasted me for years. I have a friend who did the same at a contruction site. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 10:31:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Oct 5 09:31:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? In-Reply-To: <3D9F0DFE.37F8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: 05 October, 2002 6:08 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? The last time I needed a new streak plate I went to my local tile store and asked if I could go dumpster diving. I came up with a few sheets of unglazed bathroom floor tiles (2 in) that have lasted me for years. I have a friend who did the same at a contruction site. >>>>> Indeed, collect some wall tiles with a partially flat backside ; that's much cheaper and easier than recuperating of genuine geological streak plates. The result is the same : the only purpose is indeed to produce a small quantity of powder of the mineral, smeared on a white surface. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 14:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Oct 5 13:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earrings References: <000e01c26bfc$87e5a520$5d5c8141@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001501c26cad$e911e000$681fbed8@powertech.net> . Hope this is not too off-topic, but I'll try. About ten years ago I bought my wife small carved coral earrings from a department store for $20 (yeah, I know, I am cheap). They were beautiful but the one fell off. I would like get another set. How do I make sure they will hold up next time? Should I look for prongs to hold them on? Are any of you folks jewelry makers? The coral was a neat pink and cream carved to look like roses, a touch under 10 mm. Thanx, stan PS--remember, I am cheap! Stan, -- Can you tell how it was fastened on? (Look at the other one). Glued? (I would guess so from that price.) If it's something carved, like that, I would imagine the alternative would be to have some prongs, as a bezel wouldn't work. But prongs can break, too, or bend. I think the reality of it is, cheap just does not go with quality! Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice! Margaret --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 15:29:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sat Oct 5 14:29:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? In-Reply-To: <3D9F0DFE.37F8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: > > Anybody ever do this? We've not got the money to always buy new streak > > plates, so I'm looking for easy ways to clean them. > Toss them in the dishwasher? Bleach bath is working okay so far. Taking a while. > The last time I needed a new streak plate I went to my local tile store > and asked if I could go dumpster diving. I came up with a few sheets of > unglazed bathroom floor tiles (2 in) that have lasted me for years. I > have a friend who did the same at a contruction site. The only hitch is that 'genuine' porcelain streak plates are of a known hardness on the Mohs scale. I'd have to find tile that's roughly the same hardness; otherwise, it might confuse students. Good lead, tho. I'm gonna have to grab some tile and see if this works; it would save money. Thanks for the advice, y'all. Aaron -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 15:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green) Date: Sat Oct 5 14:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification Message-ID: <001001c26cb7$429a0400$9600000a@alltel.net> Anyone know of a supplier of testing kits for rock & mineral = identification ( streak plates, etc.). If so, please advise. Thank = you. Paul Green --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 16:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ( armando afonso) Date: Sat Oct 5 15:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? References: Message-ID: <000d01c26cbf$bc7f2e00$0100a8c0@1> I would say Nitric acid, as it disolves a quantity of minerals, and normaly silicates give white or nearly whyte streaks. Armando Afonso ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? > > > Anybody ever do this? We've not got the money to always buy new streak > > > plates, so I'm looking for easy ways to clean them. > > Toss them in the dishwasher? > > Bleach bath is working okay so far. Taking a while. > > > The last time I needed a new streak plate I went to my local tile store > > and asked if I could go dumpster diving. I came up with a few sheets of > > unglazed bathroom floor tiles (2 in) that have lasted me for years. I > > have a friend who did the same at a contruction site. > > The only hitch is that 'genuine' porcelain streak plates are of a known > hardness on the Mohs scale. I'd have to find tile that's roughly the same > hardness; otherwise, it might confuse students. Good lead, tho. I'm > gonna have to grab some tile and see if this works; it would save money. > > Thanks for the advice, y'all. > > Aaron > > -- > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 17:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Oct 5 16:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? References: Message-ID: <3D9F7878.3B63@Tomaszewski.net> Aaron Fox wrote: > The only hitch is that 'genuine' porcelain streak plates are of a known > hardness on the Mohs scale. I'd have to find tile that's roughly the same > hardness; otherwise, it might confuse students. Makes sense, but I've never seen it stated before. What hardness? Is the grain size in the porcelain also standardized? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 18:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Oct 5 17:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cyrillic madness: help with a Russian label Message-ID: <3D9F84AB.D8EFA45C@att.net> Hi all, Last weekend, I purchased several Kola Peninsula minerals from a Russian dealer. The labels were handwritten in Cyrillic. I managed to get them all translated except one. The label appears to be transliterable as TCHKALOVITE. However, I can find no such mineral in Fleischer's or on the net. I tried a few sensible variants of the spelling but no luck. Does this name ring a bell with anyone? Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 20:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Diederik Visser) Date: Sat Oct 5 19:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cyrillic madness: help with a Russian label References: <3D9F84AB.D8EFA45C@att.net> Message-ID: <000501c26cde$1654f040$fe0f4bd5@dvisser> Dear Don, The mineral is Chkalovite, Na2BeSi2O6, named after Valery Pavlovich Chkalov. Type locality Lovozero complex, Kola Peninsula, Russia. Cheers, Diederik Visser http://home.wxs.nl/~dvisser/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; ; "R&F" Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Cyrillic madness: help with a Russian label > > Hi all, > > Last weekend, I purchased several Kola Peninsula minerals from a Russian > dealer. The labels were handwritten in Cyrillic. I managed to get them > all translated except one. The label appears to be transliterable as > TCHKALOVITE. However, I can find no such mineral in Fleischer's or on > the net. I tried a few sensible variants of the spelling but no luck. > Does this name ring a bell with anyone? > > Thanks, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ================================================================ > Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. > Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 5 21:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Oct 5 20:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cyrillic madness: help with a Russian label References: <3D9F84AB.D8EFA45C@att.net> <000501c26cde$1654f040$fe0f4bd5@dvisser> Message-ID: <3D9FA982.5CAFBA85@att.net> Oh wow, there it is on page 30 of Fleischer's. I thought I looked up that variant; guess I didn't. Many many thanks! Don Diederik Visser wrote: > > Dear Don, > > The mineral is Chkalovite, Na2BeSi2O6, named after Valery Pavlovich Chkalov. > Type locality Lovozero complex, Kola Peninsula, Russia. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 08:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Oct 6 07:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? References: <3D9F7878.3B63@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001701c26d43$308a4680$a11dbed8@powertech.net> > Aaron Fox wrote: > > > The only hitch is that 'genuine' porcelain streak plates are of a known > > hardness on the Mohs scale. I'd have to find tile that's roughly the same > > hardness; otherwise, it might confuse students. > > Makes sense, but I've never seen it stated before. What hardness? Is the > grain size in the porcelain also standardized? Since the reason for using a streak plate is to just get a streak from the mineral (to see the color etc.), why would the exact hardness of the streak plate matter? Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 08:35:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Sun Oct 6 07:35:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification In-Reply-To: <001001c26cb7$429a0400$9600000a@alltel.net> Message-ID: >Anyone know of a supplier of testing kits for rock & mineral >identification ( streak plates, etc.). If so, please advise. Thank you. >Paul Green > > Hi. I get our supplies from D.J. Minerals Inc.( http://www.djminerals.com/) out of Butte Montana - P.O. Box 761, Butte, MT 59703-0761 Phone: (406) 782-7339 8:00 am - 5:30 pm (mountain time zone) Fax: (406) 494-2455 (24 hours) They have good prices and quality, and an on-line catalog. Best wishes- Dr. Bill C. Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 08:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Oct 6 07:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cyrillic madness: help with a Russian label In-Reply-To: <3D9F84AB.D8EFA45C@att.net> Message-ID: Chkalovite, locality = Umbozero mine, Lovozero, Kola Peninsula, Rusland A sodium beryllium silicate. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H Sent: 06 October, 2002 2:33 AM To: rockhounds; RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com; R&F Subject: [Rockhounds] Cyrillic madness: help with a Russian label Hi all, Last weekend, I purchased several Kola Peninsula minerals from a Russian dealer. The labels were handwritten in Cyrillic. I managed to get them all translated except one. The label appears to be transliterable as TCHKALOVITE. However, I can find no such mineral in Fleischer's or on the net. I tried a few sensible variants of the spelling but no luck. Does this name ring a bell with anyone? Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 10:30:04 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Oct 6 09:30:04 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? In-Reply-To: <001701c26d43$308a4680$a11dbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: > > > > > The only hitch is that 'genuine' porcelain streak plates are of a known > > > hardness on the Mohs scale. I'd have to find tile that's roughly the > > > same hardness; otherwise, it might confuse students. > > > > Makes sense, but I've never seen it stated before. What hardness? Is the > > grain size in the porcelain also standardized? > > Since the reason for using a streak plate is to just get a streak from the > mineral (to see the color etc.), why would the exact hardness of the streak > plate matter? It's one of the easy-to-use tools we can give students in lab. We give em' nails (4.5 on Mohs Scale), copper pennies (3.5 on Mohs Scale), glass slides (5.5 on Mohs Scale), and the streak plates (6.5 on the Mohs Scale). Once you start getting over 6, it gets a bit tougher to find good, hard materials to use for hardness testing. With the streak plates, we get both a way to look at streak, and a good way to test minerals with a higher 'hardness' (quartz, corundum, etc.). Plus, they are cheap, durable, and in general, don't get stolen. I'm not sure if the grain size of the porcelain matters; I've not been able to find an ASTM standard, or any other formal agreement. It seems to be one of those things that gets passed down from grad student to grad student, but may not have been formalized. I guess the easiest way to test the tile for hardness is to grind it on some quartz. ;-) http://www.wardsci.com/EC/Products/Catalog/index.cfm?categoryID=2549 Aaron -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 11:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 6 10:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <86.2172e227.2ad1c895@aol.com> I have forgotten, what is the composition of Water Glass...Do they still make it? Where can you get it...I think I went to the Pharmacy quite a while back and they said they couldn't get it...Or just didnt want to be bothered. For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 11:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sun Oct 6 10:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <001001c26d5d$4cfe1020$22a14bd5@o8o3s6> Hi, Waterglass is sodiumsilicate. Na2SiO3. I'm not sure wether it is still available in the US. I think it should and your pharmacist was just a bit lazy. I do not know where you would use it for, but it can also be made yourself quite easily. By gently heating silica (SiO2) in a solution of NaOH in water. Cheers, Maurice -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: RckSwapr42@aol.com Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Datum: zondag 6 oktober 2002 19:13 Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Water glass >I have forgotten, what is the composition of Water Glass...Do they still make >it? Where can you get it...I think I went to the Pharmacy quite a while back >and they said they couldn't get it...Or just didnt want to be bothered. > >For now and till then, >JOHN > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 12:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Oct 6 11:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <001001c26d5d$4cfe1020$22a14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Maurice de Graaf Sent: 06 October, 2002 7:24 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass Waterglass is sodiumsilicate. Na2SiO3. I'm not sure wether it is still available in the US. I think it should and your pharmacist was just a bit lazy. I do not know where you would use it for, but it can also be made yourself quite easily. By gently heating silica (SiO2) in a solution of NaOH in water. >>>>> Dear Maurice et al. : conc. heating NaOH in water : not in a glass recipient (laboratory beaker or so), because this will be attacked and eventually it can leak and even break. Hot concentrated NaOH-solution is quite dangerous. Take all necessary precautions ! BTW waterglass solution is quite cheap, and should be readily available from a chemist or laboratory products supplier. IMHO it's not worth making it yourself. A sodiumSILICATE solution is very safe and harmless... Greetings, and have a good/save day... Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 13:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Oct 6 12:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree with Rik, don't try making Water Glass unless you are an experienced lab guy or gal. Sodium Silicate can be purchased from any lab supply house and it seems to me that it may be used in the construction trade as well. Cole Parmer carries Sodium Silicate Solution and they deal with the public, look at their online catalog at: www.coleparmer.com Bryan > Waterglass is sodiumsilicate. Na2SiO3. I'm not sure wether it is still > available in the US. I think it should and your pharmacist was just a bit > lazy. I do not know where you would use it for, but it can also be made > yourself quite easily. By gently heating silica (SiO2) in a > solution of NaOH > in water. > > >>>>> Dear Maurice et al. : conc. heating NaOH in water : not in a glass > recipient (laboratory beaker or so), because this will be attacked and > eventually it can leak and even break. Hot concentrated NaOH-solution is > quite dangerous. Take all necessary precautions ! > BTW waterglass solution is quite cheap, and should be readily > available from > a chemist or laboratory products supplier. IMHO it's not worth making it > yourself. > A sodiumSILICATE solution is very safe and harmless... > > Greetings, and have a good/save day... > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 13:57:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 6 12:57:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <9f.2e3e4d9f.2ad1ef6c@aol.com> In a message dated 10/6/02 12:42:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes: > . Sodium Silicate can be purchased from any lab supply house > and it seems to me that it may be used in the construction trade as well. > Cole Parmer carries Sodium Silicate Solution and they deal with the public, > look at their online catalog at: Or ask the pharmacy at one of the drug store chains. I bought some about 2 years ago at a Rite-Aid store. It was something they had in stock so I got it right then. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 14:01:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 6 13:01:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <44.274797f0.2ad1f02c@aol.com> In a message dated 10/6/02 11:59:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > . I do not know where you would use it for, but it can also be made > It is used to harden porous rocks, including turquoise. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 14:19:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Oct 6 13:19:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? References: <3D9F7878.3B63@Tomaszewski.net> <001701c26d43$308a4680$a11dbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <3DA09A9D.65AF@Tomaszewski.net> Margaret Malm wrote: > > > Aaron Fox wrote: > > > > > The only hitch is that 'genuine' porcelain streak plates are of a known > > > hardness on the Mohs scale. I'd have to find tile that's roughly the > same > > > hardness; otherwise, it might confuse students. > > > > Makes sense, but I've never seen it stated before. What hardness? Is the > > grain size in the porcelain also standardized? > > Since the reason for using a streak plate is to just get a streak from the > mineral (to see the color etc.), why would the exact hardness of the streak > plate matter? > The hardness, size, and shape of a cutting tool (in this case a grain in a streak plate) have an effect on the size if chip (dust grain) that will be cut from a substance rubbed against it. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 15:22:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 6 14:22:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <109.19c4d4fe.2ad20347@aol.com> Water glass is still made in the US, hundreds of millions of pounds. It goes into detergents either directly as a builder or after it has been converted to synthetic zeolites. The commercial process fuses soda ash and sand in a glass furnace and then dissolves it in hot water. There are many grades which are variations in concentration and sodium to silica ratio. I'm sure it is available in chemical supply houses. Gene Hartstein From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 16:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Oct 6 15:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <86.2172e227.2ad1c895@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA0B997.6F77@Tomaszewski.net> RckSwapr42@aol.com wrote: > > I have forgotten, what is the composition of Water Glass...Do they still make > it? Where can you get it...I think I went to the Pharmacy quite a while back > and they said they couldn't get it...Or just didnt want to be bothered. > Sodium (meta)Silicate. The last time I needed some I picked it up at my local hardware store. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 17:26:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Neil) Date: Sun Oct 6 16:26:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <109.19c4d4fe.2ad20347@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA0C5A7.2FB02E45@csionline.net> I used water glass at one time for glueing rocks with one cut surface to a piece of wood so I could get it i n the rock saw clamp. Later I would just throw it in a bucket of water and it would disolve, and the wood would come off. My grand mother raised turkeys back in the 20's, 30's, and 40's - she used water glass to preserve the eggs. You can purchase waterglass {Synonyms: Water glass; Soluble glass; Silicate of soda; Sodium Orthosilicate; Silicic Acid Sodium Salt; Sodium silicate glass Na4O4Si} from:http://chemistrystore.com/sodium_silicate.htm for a little over $10 a gallon. I have purchased Oxyalic Acid from them in the past and they are good people to deal with. -- I woun't get to read responses to the list for a couple of weeks - its off to Mt. Ida for the annual crystal dig this week, bright and early in the AM tomorrow. Neil Van Oost FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > Water glass is still made in the US, hundreds of millions of pounds. It goes > into detergents either directly as a builder or after it has been converted > to synthetic zeolites. The commercial process fuses soda ash and sand in a > glass furnace and then dissolves it in hot water. There are many grades which > are variations in concentration and sodium to silica ratio. I'm sure it is > available in chemical supply houses. > > Gene Hartstein > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 17:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Oct 6 16:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <86.2172e227.2ad1c895@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA0CA16.40EB47AC@earthlink.net> Water Glass is sodium silicate. It has many uses and many hardware stores can order it or stock it. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 18:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 6 17:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: Thanks for all of the responses....I will call and see if there is someone here in town with a supply if not at least now I have a on line source. Again thanks.... For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 6 20:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Sun Oct 6 19:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mid-October Collecting in KY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All... I've got a friend heading out to Kentucky in mid-October and was wondering if anyone had some good collecting suggestions. Her tastes run the gamut from fossils to minerals. Thanks... GcB Catspaw-Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS: Mine Location Disk From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 00:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 6 23:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <1bf.fe8b4c8.2ad283e1@aol.com> One more response.... I bought some at a WalMart Pharmacy. They had to order it, but it came in a day or two. MANY other pharmacies (including Rite-Aid) were clueless. It probably didn't help that the closest I could come to an answer to "What's it for?" was the preservation of eggs answer. Why that would qualify it for the inventory of a pharmacy, now or in 1930, I couldn't answer. The pharmacists and I wound up staring at each other thinking the other must be a space alien. Flint From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 05:10:59 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon Oct 7 04:10:59 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? References: Message-ID: <3DA16B28.2050402@emory.edu> Maybe you can just go to Home Depot and tile stores and ask for their broken tiles for free? I just saw a box of tiles for $1.00 at a yard sale yesterday but I was too lazy to bend down and pick up the box! -Anita Aaron Fox wrote: >Anybody ever do this? We've not got the money to always buy new streak >plates, so I'm looking for easy ways to clean them. > >I've been using a fine silica sand between two of them to get the majority >of the ground-in mineral fines off. But there's still a scum deep down in >the porcelain. I could take them to the thin section lab and run carbide >grit on them, but that's still more work. > >I was thinking of trying a bleach bath. Does anyone else have suggestions? > >Thanks, y'all! > >Aaron > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 05:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 7 04:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <20021007115312.WXRP12219.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> I can't help but find it sad that a trained pharmacist never heard of water glass. Unless kids' chemistry sets have changed radically in the last 30 years, using water glass is an essential part of the childhood chemistry experience. I can't imagine its properties are not discussed in college chemistry (though they might just call it sodium silicate). Then again, I recently met a cashier who was flabbergasted at the idea that people actually put PRICE TAGS on individual items in the store, and nobody had barcode readers ("How did they do that? You mean somebody had to go around putting stickers on all the items?") And I was hoping not to feel old and out of touch until I was 50. Don > MANY other pharmacies (including Rite-Aid) were clueless. It probably didn't > help that the closest I could come to an answer to "What's it for?" was the > preservation of eggs answer. Why that would qualify it for the inventory of > a pharmacy, now or in 1930, I couldn't answer. The pharmacists and I wound > up staring at each other thinking the other must be a space alien. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 10:32:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Mon Oct 7 09:32:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] willemite "viewing rock" Message-ID: BlankHas anyone else noticed this hunk of willemite up on eBay? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=718478791&rd=1 I'm unfamiliar with willemite from China. Any thoughts? GcB Catspaw Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Suppliers of MasMils/PLUS mine location disk. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 11:43:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Mon Oct 7 10:43:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Hi, >I can't help but find it sad that a trained pharmacist never heard of water >glass. Unless kids' chemistry sets have changed radically in the last 30 >years, using water glass is an essential part of the childhood chemistry >experience. I can't imagine its properties are not discussed in college >chemistry (though they might just call it sodium silicate). Again I'm not sure about the situation in the US, but here in Holland waterglass is NOT discussed during pharmacy colleges. I know because I studied pharmacy and taught analytical chemistry at the university for a few years. Actually I was in doubt about any pharmaceutical use yesterday and quickly looked it up. And indeed as far as I can see there is no use for in in today's pharmacy. Maybe in some very rare preperation, but it is defenitely not common. But that does not mean he should know the stuff! Any pharmacy can order chemicals with big companies like Merck's or Aldrin. That can be either chemicals for making medications, or chemicals for performing analythical tests. A good and friendly pharmacist would look in his chemicals catalogue and find it for you. The only problem might be that he has to order a minimum amount. Or are the pharmacies in the US really that bad? :-) Cheers, Maurice From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 12:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Oct 7 11:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] willemite "viewing rock" References: Message-ID: <3DA1CD3B.2F6D0E18@earthlink.net> Doesn't look like willemite to me. I have been collecting in China for several years and have not seen any like this. I have no idea what it is, but sounds like theprice is a bit high already. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 12:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Mon Oct 7 11:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] willemite "viewing rock" In-Reply-To: <3DA1CD3B.2F6D0E18@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes... that's what I thought. I'll pop a note to the guy and ask where it is from, etc etc. gcb -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. Bowser Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:07 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] willemite "viewing rock" Doesn't look like willemite to me. I have been collecting in China for several years and have not seen any like this. I have no idea what it is, but sounds like theprice is a bit high already. Walt _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 12:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Mon Oct 7 11:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] willemite "viewing rock" References: Message-ID: <02fc01c26e31$897b3080$3c7277d5@pandora.be> A great description of the specimen for sure, especially the detailed locality. One rule that applies almost all the time: No matter where, no matter who, no matter when, the more true details you get together with the "stone" offered, the more the stone is probably worth it's money. Sincerely, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catspaw Minerals" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] willemite "viewing rock" > BlankHas anyone else noticed this hunk of willemite up on eBay? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=718478791&rd=1 > > > I'm unfamiliar with willemite from China. Any thoughts? > > > > GcB > > Catspaw Minerals > > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > Suppliers of MasMils/PLUS mine location disk. > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/related > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/gif > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 14:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Mon Oct 7 13:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: <3DA1F2A8.2CF62263@earthlink.net> Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. Not today. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 7 15:42:52 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rollins) Date: Mon Oct 7 14:42:52 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <3DA200F4.524C1664@rose.net> RckSwapr42@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for all of the responses....I will call and see if there is someone > here in town with a supply if not at least now I have a on line source. > > Again thanks.... > > For now and till then, > JOHN > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds I got a quart from CVS Pharmacy. I believe it's used in making casts. james A. Rollins [mailto:willows@rose.net] From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 00:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 7 23:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: In a message dated 10/6/02 11:31:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Bozo5@aol.com writes: > > MANY other pharmacies (including Rite-Aid) were clueless. It must be a regional thing. I bought some at Chico Rite-Aid. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 04:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Oct 8 03:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: <003901c26eba$0f7b33a0$2e9d77d5@pandora.be> Hi Maurice, maybe I 'm being overcautious but your message seems to "bounce". I received it 8 times... I did a virusscan (def. are updated dayly) but couldn't find any. Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | Hi, | | >I can't help but find it sad that a trained pharmacist never heard of water | >glass. Unless kids' chemistry sets have changed radically in the last 30 | >years, using water glass is an essential part of the childhood chemistry | >experience. I can't imagine its properties are not discussed in college | >chemistry (though they might just call it sodium silicate). | | Again I'm not sure about the situation in the US, but here in Holland | waterglass is NOT discussed during pharmacy colleges. I know because I | studied pharmacy and taught analytical chemistry at the university for a few | years. Actually I was in doubt about any pharmaceutical use yesterday and | quickly looked it up. And indeed as far as I can see there is no use for in | in today's pharmacy. Maybe in some very rare preperation, but it is | defenitely not common. | But that does not mean he should know the stuff! Any pharmacy can order | chemicals with big companies like Merck's or Aldrin. That can be either | chemicals for making medications, or chemicals for performing analythical | tests. A good and friendly pharmacist would look in his chemicals catalogue | and find it for you. The only problem might be that he has to order a | minimum amount. Or are the pharmacies in the US really that bad? :-) | | Cheers, | Maurice | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 06:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Tue Oct 8 05:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: Frog hairs? I live in New Jersey too, but up here in the pristine (almost) northern part of the state we do not have furry frogs. Did you live near one of those Superfund sites? Please tell us more; inquiring minds want to know. cheers- Earl Verbeek >From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:46:33 -0600 > >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. > >Not today. > >Walt > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 07:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Tue Oct 8 06:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Viewing Stone Willemite Message-ID: BlankHere's the reply I got on that Chinese willemite: "The willemite i bought from collier,he told me it is,and the willemite specimen from HeNan province of China.Thank you for ask me question about willemite.If you have some question,don't hesitate to ask me,it is my pleasure ... " Anyone ever here of willemite from there? Regards, GcB --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 08:21:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Oct 8 07:21:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <00ab01c26ed6$f78c02c0$2e9d77d5@pandora.be> | Frog hairs? You should NOT drink water glass... Beer is OK until you start to see ... well, hmmmm,... furry frogs. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "earl verbeek" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | | Frog hairs? I live in New Jersey too, but up here in the pristine (almost) | northern part of the state we do not have furry frogs. Did you live near | one of those Superfund sites? Please tell us more; inquiring minds want to | know. | | cheers- Earl Verbeek | | | >From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" | >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:46:33 -0600 | > | >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of | >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not | >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done | >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked | >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job | >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. | > | >Not today. | > | >Walt | > | >_______________________________________________ | >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | >Subscription Services: | >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | _________________________________________________________________ | Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 11:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Oct 8 10:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <3DA311CD.96388C79@earthlink.net> Welllllll, down in the southern part, we had barking frogs, too. Used to hear them in the woods when hunting with my granps. That's what he said they were. GRIN Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 11:30:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Oct 8 10:30:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Viewing Stone Willemite References: Message-ID: <3DA315E0.6C4F95CB@earthlink.net> HeNan produces many minerals and some of them are Zinc. Don't know about the specific mineral though. DON't look like it to me. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 11:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Oct 8 10:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <00ab01c26ed6$f78c02c0$2e9d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3DA3161F.C2F43E6E@earthlink.net> I imagine water glass would coat the inside of your stomach fairly well and you could drink about anything. Hairy frogs, think they exist only in Southern N.J. Walt Axel Emmermann wrote: > | Frog hairs? > > You should NOT drink water glass... > Beer is OK until you start to see ... well, hmmmm,... furry frogs. > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "earl verbeek" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > | > | Frog hairs? I live in New Jersey too, but up here in the pristine > (almost) > | northern part of the state we do not have furry frogs. Did you live near > | one of those Superfund sites? Please tell us more; inquiring minds want > to > | know. > | > | cheers- Earl Verbeek > | > | > | >From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" > | >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > | >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > | >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > | >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:46:33 -0600 > | > > | >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of > | >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not > | >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done > | >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked > | >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job > | >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. > | > > | >Not today. > | > > | >Walt > | > > | >_______________________________________________ > | >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | >Subscription Services: > | >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > | _________________________________________________________________ > | Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 12:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 8 11:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Viewing Stone Willemite Message-ID: <12.26d0da8b.2ad476ed@aol.com> In a message dated 10/8/2002 1:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, geologo@earthlink.net writes: > Don't know > about the specific mineral though. DON't look like it to me. You can't tell willemite from looking at a bad photo. Willemite occurs in just about every color. Visit the Franklin, NJ mineral museum to see the WIDE variety of willemite... John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 12:25:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Oct 8 11:25:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification References: Message-ID: <004901c26ef6$cbc9b7c0$6d5204d0@jim> Bill- Check that URL. Didn't work for me. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: William S. Cordua To: Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > >Anyone know of a supplier of testing kits for rock & mineral > >identification ( streak plates, etc.). If so, please advise. Thank you. > >Paul Green > > > > > Hi. I get our supplies from D.J. Minerals nc.( http://www.djminerals.com/) > out of Butte Montana - P.O. Box 761, Butte, MT 59703-0761 Phone: (406) > 782-7339 8:00 am - 5:30 pm (mountain time zone) Fax: (406) 494-2455 > (24 hours) They have good prices and quality, and an on-line catalog. > > Best wishes- Dr. Bill C. > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 12:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Oct 8 11:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Viewing Stone Willemite References: <12.26d0da8b.2ad476ed@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA32344.D13C23C8@earthlink.net> You are right about that, John, but the whole thing looks wrong, texture, etc. not just the color. Walt Jhbnyc@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/2002 1:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > geologo@earthlink.net writes: > > > Don't know > > about the specific mineral though. DON't look like it to me. > > You can't tell willemite from looking at a bad photo. Willemite occurs in > just about every color. Visit the Franklin, NJ mineral museum to see the WIDE > variety of willemite... > > John Betts > www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 12:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Tue Oct 8 11:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification In-Reply-To: <004901c26ef6$cbc9b7c0$6d5204d0@jim> References: Message-ID: Jim, et. al. - I copied it from their web site, which is linked to mine . - http://www.djminerals.com/ .It seems to work for me. Maybe I left something out the first time I posted it. Best wishes - Bill C. >Bill- Check that URL. Didn't work for me. >Jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: William S. Cordua >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:34 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > > >> >Anyone know of a supplier of testing kits for rock & mineral >> >identification ( streak plates, etc.). If so, please advise. Thank you. >> >Paul Green >> > >> > >> Hi. I get our supplies from D.J. Minerals >nc.( http://www.djminerals.com/) >> out of Butte Montana - P.O. Box 761, Butte, MT 59703-0761 Phone: >(406) >> 782-7339 8:00 am - 5:30 pm (mountain time zone) Fax: (406) 494-2455 >> (24 hours) They have good prices and quality, and an on-line catalog. >> >> Best wishes- Dr. Bill C. >> >> Dr. William S. Cordua >> Professor of Geology/Mineralogy >> University of Wisconsin - River Falls >> 410 South Third Street >> River Falls, WI 54022 >> 715-425-3139 >> william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu >> "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 16:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Oct 8 15:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification References: Message-ID: <000c01c26f16$c816db60$4d5204d0@jim> This one works, but I'll be darned if I can see the difference! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: William S. Cordua To: Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > Jim, et. al. - I copied it from their web site, which is linked to mine . - > http://www.djminerals.com/ .It seems to work for me. Maybe I left > something out the first time I posted it. Best wishes - Bill C. > > > >Bill- Check that URL. Didn't work for me. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: William S. Cordua > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:34 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > > > > > >> >Anyone know of a supplier of testing kits for rock & mineral > >> >identification ( streak plates, etc.). If so, please advise. Thank you. > >> >Paul Green > >> > > >> > > >> Hi. I get our supplies from D.J. Minerals > >nc.( http://www.djminerals.com/) > >> out of Butte Montana - P.O. Box 761, Butte, MT 59703-0761 Phone: > >(406) > >> 782-7339 8:00 am - 5:30 pm (mountain time zone) Fax: (406) 494-2455 > >> (24 hours) They have good prices and quality, and an on-line catalog. > >> > >> Best wishes- Dr. Bill C. > >> > >> Dr. William S. Cordua > >> Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > >> University of Wisconsin - River Falls > >> 410 South Third Street > >> River Falls, WI 54022 > >> 715-425-3139 > >> william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > >> "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 17:29:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 8 16:29:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <3DA1F2A8.2CF62263@earthlink.net> References: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: Walt, Not true. Compounding is not done daily, but it is done at the retail pharmacy level. There are still those certain compounds not commonly needed that the big companies do not care to produce and distribute. Lanny >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. > >Not today. > >Walt > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 17:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Tue Oct 8 16:53:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: <3DA36FBB.B2F7C394@earthlink.net> Lanny I stand corrected. Not aware of any, but would imagine that beyond adding water or something the number IS rather small. Correct? Walt lanny@mineralnews.com wrote: > Walt, > > Not true. Compounding is not done daily, but it is done at the retail > pharmacy level. There are still those certain compounds not commonly needed > that the big companies do not care to produce and distribute. > > Lanny > > >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of > >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not > >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done > >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked > >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job > >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. > > > >Not today. > > > >Walt > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 18:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 8 17:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification Message-ID: <20021009003706.HTJR4223.fl-webmail01@fl-webmail01> The difference was that the first one had the closing ) As part of the address. Won't work. If you went into the address line and took out the ), it worked fine. John Teague Knoxville, Tennessee > > From: "Jim Daly" > Date: 2002/10/08 Tue PM 06:05:14 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > > This one works, but I'll be darned if I can see the difference! > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William S. Cordua > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > > > > Jim, et. al. - I copied it from their web site, which is linked to mine > . - > > http://www.djminerals.com/ .It seems to work for me. Maybe I left > > something out the first time I posted it. Best wishes - Bill C. > > > > > > >Bill- Check that URL. Didn't work for me. > > >Jim > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: William S. Cordua > > >To: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:34 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Testing Kits for Rock & Mineral Identification > > > > > > > > >> >Anyone know of a supplier of testing kits for rock & mineral > > >> >identification ( streak plates, etc.). If so, please advise. Thank > you. > > >> >Paul Green > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi. I get our supplies from D.J. Minerals > > >nc.( http://www.djminerals.com/) > > >> out of Butte Montana - P.O. Box 761, Butte, MT 59703-0761 Phone: > > >(406) > > >> 782-7339 8:00 am - 5:30 pm (mountain time zone) Fax: (406) > 494-2455 > > >> (24 hours) They have good prices and quality, and an on-line > catalog. > > >> > > >> Best wishes- Dr. Bill C. > > >> > > >> Dr. William S. Cordua > > >> Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > > >> University of Wisconsin - River Falls > > >> 410 South Third Street > > >> River Falls, WI 54022 > > >> 715-425-3139 > > >> william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > > >> "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >> Subscription Services: > > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > Dr. William S. Cordua > > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > > 410 South Third Street > > River Falls, WI 54022 > > 715-425-3139 > > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 20:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 8 19:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived Message-ID: <20021008.190434.-2069977.1.stevenkaminski@juno.com> Sorry if this is considered off-topic, but I can't help myself. I am happy to announce the birth of a new rockhound (if he chooses to be one), my son. Mason Alyxandar Kaminski, October 4th, 7lbs 12 ozs. His first name means stone-worker. His last name means son of stone-cutter. The rest is up to destiny. He's got a good strong grip in both hands for chisel and hammer. Though the way his eyes melt things like my heart, he may never need the hammer. Best regards to all, I have to look at him some more. Steve Kaminski ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 20:26:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Oct 8 19:26:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? In-Reply-To: <3DA16B28.2050402@emory.edu> Message-ID: Once again, saved by dumpster diving.... My parents just refurbished the kitchen in porcelain tile. Thanks to your feedback, I caught them before they dumped the extras. I pick them up at Xmas. Life is good. Thanks, y'all. Aaron > Maybe you can just go to Home Depot and tile stores and ask for their > broken tiles for free? I just saw a box of tiles for $1.00 at a yard > sale yesterday but I was too lazy to bend down and pick up the box! > -Anita > > Aaron Fox wrote: > > >Anybody ever do this? We've not got the money to always buy new streak > >plates, so I'm looking for easy ways to clean them. > > > >I've been using a fine silica sand between two of them to get the majority > >of the ground-in mineral fines off. But there's still a scum deep down in > >the porcelain. I could take them to the thin section lab and run carbide > >grit on them, but that's still more work. > > > >I was thinking of trying a bleach bath. Does anyone else have suggestions? > > > >Thanks, y'all! > > > >Aaron > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 20:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Oct 8 19:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived References: <20021008.190434.-2069977.1.stevenkaminski@juno.com> Message-ID: <3DA39720.3946@Tomaszewski.net> stevenkaminski@juno.com wrote: > > I am happy to announce the birth of a new rockhound (if he > chooses to be one), my son. > > Mason Alyxandar Kaminski > His first name means stone-worker. > His last name means son of stone-cutter. Welcome Mason. May you grow to bring honor to your parents! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 20:41:12 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Tue Oct 8 19:41:12 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived References: <20021008.190434.-2069977.1.stevenkaminski@juno.com> Message-ID: <3DA397F5.9EAE616A@cox.net> Steven, Congratulations and Peace. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 21:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Tue Oct 8 20:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived In-Reply-To: <20021008.190434.-2069977.1.stevenkaminski@juno.com> Message-ID: A new rockhound is NEVER off topic! Congrats! GcB -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of stevenkaminski@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:05 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived Sorry if this is considered off-topic, but I can't help myself. I am happy to announce the birth of a new rockhound (if he chooses to be one), From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 8 21:39:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gerry Koshman) Date: Tue Oct 8 20:39:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> This may sound redundant, but what is water glass used for in rockhounding and how is it used? Gerry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 01:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 00:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <157.158d506e.2ad5314c@aol.com> It is used as glue to hold a flattish stone onto a board. The board can then be clamped into the vise (vice?) rather than the stone. This allows one to get as many slabs as possible from the rough. It is most often used to slab the half that was in the vice when the first slabs were taken off. White glue works too, but avoid the waterproof carpenter's versions unless you plan to leave the board on. Flint (Who says I can't end a paragraph with a preposition?) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 06:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Wed Oct 9 05:53:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've recently dug up something I've never seen before, and that is, a hand size grouping of quartz crystals in which the largest has a pronounced bend. It's on the left if you look at the group, about 3" in length and 3/4" thick, clear at the tip, and curves in a pronounced arc to the right up over a smaller crystal, looking for all the world like the wilted penis in the anti-cigarette warning posters. As I said, I've never seen this before, but then, there's lots of stuff I haven't seen, so I'm wondering just how rare and uncommon an arcuate quartz crystal might be. Cheers & thanks Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 07:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 06:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz Message-ID: <3e.25b558bd.2ad58cbe@aol.com> In a message dated 10/9/2002 8:54:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, sinico@nbnet.nb.ca writes: > I'm wondering just how rare and uncommon an arcuate quartz > crystal might be. Curved quartz can be found in just about ever major deposit. I have seen curved quartz from New Hampshire, Arkansas, Brazil, Arizona, Peru... John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 07:52:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Wed Oct 9 06:52:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz References: Message-ID: <000601c26f9c$18166f60$0506efd1@oemcomputer> Somewhat uncommon but not rare; prized by quartz collectors. Probably caused by stress in the pocket, perhaps breaking and healing. Quartz is a goofy mineral, wherever it's found in quantity, a small percentage will be weird. Members of the tourmaline group exhibit bending more often, finding themselves locked in rock that keeps moving. Flattened quartz xls twisted about the long axis are called gwindels and are quite valuable. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "H.Durstling" To: Sent: October 9, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz > > Hi everyone, > > I've recently dug up something I've never seen before, and that is, a hand > size grouping of quartz crystals in which the largest has a pronounced > bend. > > It's on the left if you look at the group, about 3" in length and 3/4" > thick, clear at the tip, and curves in a pronounced arc to the right up > over a smaller crystal, looking for all the world like the wilted penis in > the anti-cigarette warning posters. > > As I said, I've never seen this before, but then, there's lots of stuff I > haven't seen, so I'm wondering just how rare and uncommon an arcuate quartz > crystal might be. > > Cheers & thanks > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 08:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Oct 9 07:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> Message-ID: <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> Have we then all forgotten our first chemistry set? The coral-growing-in water-glass-experiment was one of my favourites some 35+ years ago... Oh... nostalgia... Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Koshman" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass | This may sound redundant, but what is water glass used for in | rockhounding and how is it used? | | Gerry | | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 08:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 07:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas and feldspars Message-ID: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> On a different list, there was a question ton he various micas and feldspars that were found at a particular granite pegmatite. While even quartz is subject to misidentification, there are some reasons for selecting a name for a mineral that we find. Some are related to the elements represented by the associated species, for example, if you have a garnet associated with epidote-clinozoisite, it's almost always going to be andradite-grossular. The difference is that the pair epidote-clinozoisite is a series from Fe 3+ rich to Al rich. The garnets andradite-grossular are of similar series from Fe 3+ rich to Al rich. Sight and "field" identifications are fraught with error, but there are ways to increase the average identification. The following is a bit of mica-feldspar rule of thumb. Micas are not really the mystery minerals collectors imagine. If your question involves trying to identify the micas you have found, there is some hope. Overwhelmingly, muscovite is the common sheet mica, even in lithium-enriched pegmatites. Muscovite can vary from silvery with amber or red tints seen through high quality sheets. Muscovite can be very yellow into distinct green shades due to minor iron substitution. Paragonite is virtually unknown in pegmatites. Would be interested to know where any true granite pegmatite paragonite exists. Lithium can significantly substitute in muscovite and in a few places "sheet" mica (over 1 cm, let's say), can approach trilithionite in composition. However, trilithionite (lepidolite) is frequently colored distinctly pink, lilac, purple, and occasionally blue. Because of the mode of occurrence, trilithionite-lepidolite is usually fine-grained (several mm). Additionally, the lithium micas are frequently found in the inside zones where significant replacement textures are observed and where manganese has been significantly enriched. Yellow to silvery lepidolite exists, but its rare. If anyone knows of any valid yellow lepidolite, please let me know where the chemical analysis has been published. The black to bronzy micas are few. Biotite in granite pegmatites is rarely anything else but annite, as magnesium is so rarely enriched in granite pegmatites. The generally bronzy lithium mica, zinnwaldite, can occur in sheet mica sizes and usually has a very peculiar appearance, but some biotite in Conway, NH district, Pikes Peak batholith district, CO, and Sawtooth batholith district, ID pegmatites can be zinnwaldite or even just part of the crystals, where an outer zone is zinnwaldite and the core is annite. The late stage appearing micas, bityite and boromuscovite can be very difficult to identify, but for advanced machine techniques. BTW the dioctahedral micas (muscovite, paragonite) have very little intermediate chemical substitutions with the trioctahedral micas (annite, phlogopite, zinnwaldite, lepidolite). There is no transition to the chlorites. The boron bearing boromuscovite is known in one or two places in the world. The Ca and Be bearing Bityite is pretty scarce and should be the most problematical mica to identify. I haven't talked about masutomilite and that too is very rare although I would personally feel that if more lepidolites were checked, it would turn up. As granite pegmatites are very aluminum rich, you should not expect to see tetrasilicic micas such as taeniolite, polylithionite, norrishite, eastonite, celadonite, etc., most of which are restricted to very specific geological environments. The rest of the flaky minerals in pegmatites are not true micas. The brittle micas are essentially unknown in granite pegmatites for the same reason the Mg mica phlogopite is absent, the elements of interest composing them are rarely enriched enough to participate in mica formation. Fine scaly muscovite, called sericite, has confused many collectors and should be recognized as a very common late stage textural variety. The chlorites cookeite and manandonite show a typical radiating crystal cluster and unless you have a reason to hope your fine scaly mica is not muscovite, cookeite shouldn't be attributed to a specimen. The feldspars are simpler. The plagioclase in a granite pegmatite is virtually always albite-oligoclase while the K-feldspar is microcline. I would venture that 99% of cleavelandite is nearly pure albite, it rarely being more than An5. Orthoclase may be present in some late stage, rapidly crystallized portion of a true granite pegmatite, and even sanidine has been found as an overgrowth on microcline, but otherwise, there are few granite pegmatite with a hot enough origin to have resulted in important orthoclase formation. Tiny clear albite crystals can be found epitaxially on microcline crystals from Conway, Pikes Peak, etc. Good luck! Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 08:13:08 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 07:13:08 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz Message-ID: <18c.f960183.2ad5935e@aol.com> In a message dated 10/9/2002 9:53:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, tjokela@execulink.com writes: > Flattened quartz xls twisted > about the long axis are called gwindels and are quite valuable. With all due respect to Tim, gwindels are not twisted crystals. Gwindels are several stacked crystals grown from a central spine referred to as the "sucre". The stack of crystals has a twisted shape. The crystals themselves are not twisted. John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 08:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 07:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived References: <20021008.190434.-2069977.1.stevenkaminski@juno.com> Message-ID: <3DA441F1.1D91BBEB@earthlink.net> Steve Seems like you are trying to influence Destiny just a bit. HAHA. Congratulations on the new arrival. Now the long process of training comes in. Good luck with the future rock hound. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 09:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 08:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz References: Message-ID: <3DA44F39.A8DA0144@earthlink.net> Hans I have never picked up anything that pronounced, but have had some quartz which appears to be curved as it grew. There is also some which looks as though it has been cut, moved slightly, cut, moved slightly, and gives it a curve. The material I got from China on the last trip was about 3 inches long and had a curve to one side more than a total crystal curve. The one side seemed to curve along the joint between the two crystal faces. Where did you get this one? Any pics? Thanks for sharing with us. I think it is interesting and probably rather rare. Maybe we can find some answers. Walt Walter S. Bowser Ph.D. Mineral Search Safaris --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 09:54:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 08:54:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed in a water glass solution and grew stalactites and stalagmites from the matrix. I remember them much longer ago than 35years. It was umphgrupmth years for me. Had them in the late 40s , I know and the early 50s. Maybe they still have them. Anyone know what the chemicals used were? Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 10:11:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Wed Oct 9 09:11:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Curved Quartz Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'll try to get someone to make a jpeg. Technologically challenged as I am it might take a few days. The curve really is pronounced, sort of like a spire on a cathedral trying to lie down along the roof. It's from Guysborough, Nova Scotia. Cheers, Hans ======= Hans > >I have never picked up anything that pronounced, but have had some >quartz which appears to be curved as it grew. There is also some which >looks as though it has been cut, moved slightly, cut, moved slightly, >and gives it a curve. The material I got from China on the last trip >was about 3 inches long and had a curve to one side more than a total >crystal curve. The one side seemed to curve along the joint between the >two crystal faces. > > > > >Where did you get this one? > >Any pics? > >Thanks for sharing with us. I think it is interesting and probably >rather rare. Maybe we can find some answers. > >Walt > >Walter S. Bowser Ph.D. >Mineral Search Safaris From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 10:11:11 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Wed Oct 9 09:11:11 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi walt, If you drop lumps of metal chlorides into a solution of water glass (sodium silicate) they will precipitate complex metal silicates that will form tree-like plumes. I think they were ferric chloride, cobalt chloride and copper chloride to give different colors. That's all my bio-degradable memory can recall. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. Bowser Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:54 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed in a water glass solution and grew stalactites and stalagmites from the matrix. I remember them much longer ago than 35years. It was umphgrupmth years for me. Had them in the late 40s , I know and the early 50s. Maybe they still have them. Anyone know what the chemicals used were? Walt _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 11:06:03 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Oct 9 10:06:03 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <009c01c26fb7$1621b000$239d77d5@pandora.be> Any colored salt will do. Doesn't matter if it 's a chlorite, sulphate or nitrate as long as it's the kation that causes the color. Anions with strong colors like permanganates, dichromates, vanadates will only color the solution or form a precipitate. 30 or more years ago there was little awareness of environmental care... There's no telling how many tons of heavy metal went straight from the chemistry box down the drain. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass | Hi walt, | | If you drop lumps of metal chlorides into a solution of water glass (sodium | silicate) they will precipitate complex metal silicates that will form | tree-like plumes. I think they were ferric chloride, cobalt chloride and | copper chloride to give different colors. That's all my bio-degradable | memory can recall. | | Henry | | -----Original Message----- | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. | Bowser | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:54 AM | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | | | Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed in a | water glass solution and grew stalactites and stalagmites from the | matrix. | | I remember them much longer ago than 35years. It was umphgrupmth years | for me. Had them in the late 40s , I know and the early 50s. Maybe | they still have them. | | Anyone know what the chemicals used were? | | Walt | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 11:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Oct 9 10:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived In-Reply-To: <20021008.190434.-2069977.1.stevenkaminski@juno.com> Message-ID: Steven, Thank you for sharing this happy news with us. Congratulations and best wishes for your wife, yourself and, of course, little Mason ! Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of stevenkaminski@juno.com Sent: 09 October, 2002 4:05 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] A new rockhound has arrived Sorry if this is considered off-topic, but I can't help myself. I am happy to announce the birth of a new rockhound (if he chooses to be one), my son. Mason Alyxandar Kaminski, October 4th, 7lbs 12 ozs. His first name means stone-worker. His last name means son of stone-cutter. The rest is up to destiny. He's got a good strong grip in both hands for chisel and hammer. Though the way his eyes melt things like my heart, he may never need the hammer. Best regards to all, I have to look at him some more. Steve Kaminski ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 11:31:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 10:31:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <3DA36FBB.B2F7C394@earthlink.net> References: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: Rather small, especially compared to the number of prescriptions processed daily. And I believe some pharmacies will not bother with compounding at all and send the patient elsewhere. Still, there are several ointments, "elixirs," and powders that are used that aren't available prepared in a bottle or tube from a drug company. Lanny >Lanny > > >I stand corrected. Not aware of any, but would imagine that beyond adding >water or something the number IS rather small. Correct? > >Walt > > > >lanny@mineralnews.com wrote: > >> Walt, >> >> Not true. Compounding is not done daily, but it is done at the retail >> pharmacy level. There are still those certain compounds not commonly needed >> that the big companies do not care to produce and distribute. >> >> Lanny >> >> >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of >> >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not >> >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done >> >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked >> >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job >> >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. >> > >> >Not today. >> > >> >Walt >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> >Subscription Services: >> >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com >> Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing >> Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and >> mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index >> and The Mineral Database >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 11:31:09 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 10:31:09 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas and feldspars In-Reply-To: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> Message-ID: Van, In general your generalizations appear to work, although even for muscovite you include quite a large color variation making it difficult to decide. To add more confusion: you mention the Sawtooth batholith in Idaho, but left out the fact that of the dark micas (which are the most common mica in the miarolitic cavities) the darkest (nearly black) are zinnwaldite, but the lighter color (golden brown) are masutomilite. Muscovite is rare. Just to throw more confusion out there, out of three samples of the pink K-felspars I had tested from cavities in the Sawtooths, two were microcline and one was orthoclase. I've never heard of anyone else having the pocket "microcline" tested. Lanny .... I haven't talked about masutomilite and that too is very rare >although I would personally feel that if more lepidolites were checked, it >would turn up. ... > >The feldspars are simpler. The plagioclase in a granite pegmatite is >virtually always albite-oligoclase while the K-feldspar is microcline. I >would venture that 99% of cleavelandite is nearly pure albite, it rarely >being more than An5. Orthoclase may be present in some late stage, rapidly >crystallized portion of >a true granite pegmatite, and even sanidine has been found as an overgrowth >on microcline, but otherwise, there are few granite pegmatite with a hot >enough origin to have resulted in important orthoclase formation. Tiny clear >albite crystals can be found epitaxially on microcline crystals from Conway, >Pikes Peak, etc. > >Good luck! Van > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 11:40:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Wed Oct 9 10:40:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas and feldspars References: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA46A94.7B43D3B4@cox.net> Van, Thank you for a very clear explanation. I have a question, a few years ago on a field trip, we were unearthing a vast amount of the lepidolite mica. Our field trip leader felt certain that was an indicator of Tourmaline. We dug extensively but never found any. The Mica there was very purple in color and rather beautiful. Would there be Tourmaline there also? Thank you, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 11:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 10:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <3DA46E21.A02BAEE@earthlink.net> Henry Thanks, I could not remember any of the metallic minerals / chemicals which were used. ANY chloride? Solution of sodium silicate or full strength? Seems it was a solution. Any other things besides chlorides? Thanks again Walt Walter S. Bowser Ph.D Minral Search Safaris www.mineralsearch.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 12:04:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:04:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <009c01c26fb7$1621b000$239d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3DA46F6C.1DF5EC4@earthlink.net> Hi Axel I will have to play with this a bit. Sounds good to me. I was one of those kids with the old chemistry set which included ferrocyanides and permanganates, etc. Don't know how much stuff I mixed up that was toxic as hell and went down the drain. On the farm it went to the septic system. In town it went to the city sewer. No wonder the Delaware river was so polluted. Thanks Walt Walter S. Bowser Ph.D. Mineral Search Safaris www.mineralsearch.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 12:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gerry Koshman) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for larger tumbler Message-ID: <000001c26fbe$98138280$6302030a@userq8p3k9g7xy> Does anyone have a used fairly large rotary tumble for sale? Am looking for something around 20lbs or more. Thanks Gerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 12:30:03 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:30:03 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <001e01c26e28$a8edd020$4ba14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: <3DA475A1.2BA9D691@earthlink.net> Thanks, Lanny. A wealth of info as usual. Walt lanny@mineralnews.com wrote: > Rather small, especially compared to the number of prescriptions processed > daily. And I believe some pharmacies will not bother with compounding at > all and send the patient elsewhere. Still, there are several ointments, > "elixirs," and powders that are used that aren't available prepared in a > bottle or tube from a drug company. > > Lanny > > >Lanny > > > > > >I stand corrected. Not aware of any, but would imagine that beyond adding > >water or something the number IS rather small. Correct? > > > >Walt > > > > > > > >lanny@mineralnews.com wrote: > > > >> Walt, > >> > >> Not true. Compounding is not done daily, but it is done at the retail > >> pharmacy level. There are still those certain compounds not commonly needed > >> that the big companies do not care to produce and distribute. > >> > >> Lanny > >> > >> >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of > >> >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not > >> >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done > >> >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked > >> >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job > >> >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. > >> > > >> >Not today. > >> > > >> >Walt > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> >Subscription Services: > >> >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > >> Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > >> Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > >> mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > >> and The Mineral Database > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 12:42:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:42:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas and feldspars Message-ID: <15d.15a3442f.2ad5d23f@aol.com> As with all rules of thumb, they are a target for a hammer. Rose muscovite can be mistaken for lepidolite. As rose muscovite is such an unusual color for muscovite I didn't mention it - along with a thousand other exceptions. Lepidolite has been used an indicator for finding tourmaline pockets, but there are plenty of places where they do not have both. Mostly the lepidolite not being found with gem pockets. There is also a distance factor. Lepidolite can form many feet above a gem pocket or even to the side. Good luck in your search. Remember the definitions of a mine and a swimming pool are the same - a hole into which you throw money. van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 12:47:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:47:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005301c26fc4$1ef98f60$7307c850@dehtxcim3a42hi> I had them also in the 60's from a shop, at that time free available in what we call over here a 'drugstore' (drogist) which corresponds more to a US pharmacy. Just throwing a piece of any kind of salt (not a solution) in it gave marvelous 'gardens'. It was used to make cellar wals water inpenetrable; by ion exchanging the sodium for calcium and forming thus a solid bound to the concrete that became water impermeable. I remember also something with eggs but don't remember what it was. Perhaps for painting eastern eggs or so. BTW in these drugstores it was easy to buy all kinds of anorganic products. Sulphuric acid (from the lead chamber process) and nitric acid was easily obtainable. So were also pigments to make onw coloured paints, e.g. chromic green, chromic red (lead chromate), etc... There were even books, I remember a series 'Mengen en Roeren' (mixing and stirring) where all kinds of recepies were described to make all possible day to day used products. Going from shoeshine waxes for all colours to all kind of products to make own paints etc .... Did we have more chemists in those days ?? Where were those days? And what people used for household experimenting was nothing compared to industry in those days. Rgds, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed in a > water glass solution and grew stalactites and stalagmites from the > matrix. > > I remember them much longer ago than 35years. It was umphgrupmth years > for me. Had them in the late 40s , I know and the early 50s. Maybe > they still have them. > > Anyone know what the chemicals used were? > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 12:53:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:53:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <3DA46E21.A02BAEE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Walt, I remembered chlorides, but, as was pointed out, any soluble metal salt will work. The higher the concentration of sodium silicate, the denser the "trees". I think the stuff we used was 1 N (??). I'm working from memory here, so don't quote me. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. Bowser Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:58 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass Henry Thanks, I could not remember any of the metallic minerals / chemicals which were used. ANY chloride? Solution of sodium silicate or full strength? Seems it was a solution. Any other things besides chlorides? Thanks again Walt Walter S. Bowser Ph.D Minral Search Safaris www.mineralsearch.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 13:22:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 12:22:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <434EEA2F.1191CD24.02180873@aol.com> I seem to remember that the gardens grew in a gel. Do you acidify the solution to make the gel first or allow the acidic nature of a metallic salt and a strong acid to do the job? Gene Hartstein BTW. Eggs were dipped in silicate to strengthen the shells for shipment in the old days. Today it is used on fiber board drums to waterproof and strengthen them, but the biggest use by far is in detergents. In a message dated Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:12:45 +0200, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > > > Any colored salt will do. Doesn't matter if it 's a chlorite, sulphate or > nitrate as long as it's the kation that causes the color. Anions with strong > colors like permanganates, dichromates, vanadates will only color the > solution or form a precipitate. > 30 or more years ago there was little awareness of environmental care... > There's no telling how many tons of heavy metal went straight from the > chemistry box down the drain. > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Barwood" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:20 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > > | Hi walt, > | > | If you drop lumps of metal chlorides into a solution of water glass > (sodium > | silicate) they will precipitate complex metal silicates that will form > | tree-like plumes. I think they were ferric chloride, cobalt chloride and > | copper chloride to give different colors. That's all my bio-degradable > | memory can recall. > | > | Henry > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. > | Bowser > | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:54 AM > | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > | > | > | Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed in a > | water glass solution and grew stalactites and stalagmites from the > | matrix. > | > | I remember them much longer ago than 35years. It was umphgrupmth years > | for me. Had them in the late 40s , I know and the early > 50s. Maybe > | they still have them. > | > | Anyone know what the chemicals used were? > | > | Walt > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 13:33:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 12:33:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <3DA48460.900FC86@earthlink.net> Henry This list never ceases to amaze me. The amount of accumulated info we have is astounding. Thanks, Walt Henry Barwood wrote: > Hi Walt, > > I remembered chlorides, but, as was pointed out, any soluble metal salt will > work. The higher the concentration of sodium silicate, the denser the > "trees". I think the stuff we used was 1 N (??). I'm working from memory > here, so don't quote me. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. > Bowser > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:58 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > Henry > > Thanks, I could not remember any of the metallic minerals / chemicals > which were used. ANY chloride? Solution of sodium silicate or full > strength? Seems it was a solution. > > Any other things besides chlorides? > > Thanks again > > Walt > Walter S. Bowser Ph.D > Minral Search Safaris > > www.mineralsearch.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 13:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lloyd, James) Date: Wed Oct 9 12:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Astrorite Message-ID: <31E01E1CB63AAD459A1D5E4BF3A4CE3E05E37A@pbex01.pb.nmcco.net> can this material be mined? Is this corundom> what is the hardness> where can we buy some samples both cabs and faceted? thank you for your time and effort JIMI TWO ROCKS From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 13:38:06 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 12:38:06 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning Streak Plates? Message-ID: <20021007194553.MXDB15271.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> To clean used streak plates, I've always just used a toothbrush and a little cleanser. To me, this works just fine and it usually takes off 99% of the obvious streak stains. As to the exact specifications of a streak plate--I can't imagine it really makes any practical difference, so long as the tile is reasonably hard (harder than the mineral being streaked). One doesn't normally look for subtle shades of color--it's usually to distinguish the red-brown of hematite from the brown or yellow-brown of goethite or the black of magnetite, etc. (Not that this can't sometimes require a subtle judgement too, but that may be because these minerals do not always occur in pure form, but can be intergrown to some degree.) Trying to make things simple... Pete M. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 13:38:09 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 12:38:09 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Huntsville, AL show - Volunteer Gems Message-ID: <20021009125719.HOEG663.fl-webmail02@fl-webmail02> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Huntsville, AL show this weekend. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! (Keith Hayes, eat your heart out! Keith really loves my cloths but would never admit it!) Dates: Friday-Sunday, October 11-13, 2002. Hours: Friday - 9:00 am - 7:00 pm Saturday - 9:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 12:00 noon - 5:00 pm Location: Von Braun Center 700 Monroe St., Huntsville, AL Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my addiction with other dealers! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 13:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 9 12:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] motor replacements? Message-ID: <10.267ccc38.2ad5e048@aol.com> I sent this note to the faceters list but then thought that maybe someone on this list might just have an answer. . . .seeings how we have such a wide array of knowledge out there. Hi list, Being a newbie at this faceting thing. I have gotten interested and have a Raytech machine that I am having trouble with...First it is of the vintage #1624 and I bought it second hand from an old hand that has since past.... Here is the problem...I cleaned it up and plugged it in and all seemed to be working fine...Of course the usual maintenance after sitting many years unused... Well after some encouraging words I proceed...and start cutting my FIRST STONEs, and all is going well and then all of a sudden blow a fuse, and another, and another...I pull off the bottom and see that what looked like a capacitor is burned...So take it to my local shop and they replaced the capacitor and checked out the board...Bring it home and get after it. . . .then another fuse burns...so I take it to a friend in the club that has an electronics store and he replaces some diode?...There is no schematic with the machine and looked in the books that came with it. Anyway, I get the machine home and fire it up and all is well, cut another stone...then all of a sudden fuse burns out...Then I replace and now the rheostat switch (speed control) doesn't work but on high speed. OK so I use only high speed for what I am doing... Then another fuse burns and I look underneath while still plugged in and see the circuit board lighting up like a Christmas tree and POP blew another fuse... OK, so now have all of that out of the Way I call Raytech and they can sell me a new board for $108.00 but am wondering can I convert this to a 110 model and use a household dimmer switch...What size motor to use?. Any ideas out there? For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 14:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Oct 9 13:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well there is one non-chain pharmacy around here that does adverts claiming that they are one of the few local pharmacies that still do compounding. It may be advertizing 'fluff' however. Bryan > > Not true. Compounding is not done daily, but it is done at the retail > pharmacy level. There are still those certain compounds not > commonly needed > that the big companies do not care to produce and distribute. > > Lanny > > >Pharmacies in the US are mainly bottlers of pills and adding of > >distilled H2O to a powder to make it into something drinkable. I am not > >aware, and this does not mean it is exactly so, of any compounding done > >at the retail provider level. When I was a kid, in New Jersey, I worked > >in a pharmacy, or drug store, sweeping up. It was the pharmacist's job > >to compound things. Eye of newt, blood of bat, 2 frog hairs, etc. > > > >Not today. > > > >Walt > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 17:12:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 16:12:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <3DA4B7B5.AE95A88E@earthlink.net> Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so the stuff has had time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 17:24:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Oct 9 16:24:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed > > Anyone know what the chemicals used were? > >From my Links page...for growing crystals http://www.commean.com/rocks/ http://www.beloit.edu/~SEPM/Rocks_and_minerals/growing_crystals.html And from my Chemcraft 'Chemical Magic' manual... Put 1 teaspoon of Sodium Silicate and 3 teaspoons of water in a glass and stir to mix. Add measures of Aluminum Sulfate, Nickel Ammonium Sulfate, Ferrous Ammonium Sulfate, Ferric Ammonium Sumfate, and Cobalt Chloride. Watch and you will see 'chemical vegetation' grow before your eyes. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 21:13:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 20:13:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3DA4F006.D4F7A569@earthlink.net> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 21:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 9 20:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3DA4F09C.725439F7@earthlink.net> OOOOOps, sorry for the empty message. They put the quote and send buttons too close together. There is one chemical I really don't quite understand. Ferric Ammonium Sumfate??? Is that an old manuel. WOW, how old, really, is the Chemcraft manual? I haven't seen any of those since I was a kid and there were dinosaurs then. Thanks for the info Kreigh. I will try that. Walt Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed > > > > Anyone know what the chemicals used were? > > > > >From my Links page...for growing crystals > > http://www.commean.com/rocks/ > http://www.beloit.edu/~SEPM/Rocks_and_minerals/growing_crystals.html > > And from my Chemcraft 'Chemical Magic' manual... > > Put 1 teaspoon of Sodium Silicate and 3 teaspoons of water in a > glass and stir to mix. Add measures of Aluminum Sulfate, Nickel > Ammonium Sulfate, Ferrous Ammonium Sulfate, Ferric Ammonium > Sumfate, and Cobalt Chloride. Watch and you will see 'chemical > vegetation' grow before your eyes. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 9 21:52:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Oct 9 20:52:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> <3DA4F09C.725439F7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DA4F950.60D6@Tomaszewski.net> Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > OOOOOps, sorry for the empty message. They put the quote and send buttons too > close together. > > There is one chemical I really don't quite understand. Ferric > Ammonium Sumfate??? Is that an old manuel. So I can't type...try Sulfate. Yes, it was an old manual, from a Chemcraft #2 chemistry set. And my local Pharmacist used to teach Chemistry classes (in the garage of the local Funeral Home) on Saturdays. My home chemistry set still has some chemicals from Gilbert too. > > WOW, how old, really, is the Chemcraft manual? I haven't seen any of those > since I was a kid and there were dinosaurs then. My Porter Chemical Company manual was Copyright 1937; I don't get to pull it off the bookshelf often. Thanks for the opportunity (and memories ;-). > > Thanks for the info Kreigh. I will try that. > > Walt > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > > > Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed > > > > > > Anyone know what the chemicals used were? > > > > > > > >From my Links page...for growing crystals > > > > http://www.commean.com/rocks/ > > http://www.beloit.edu/~SEPM/Rocks_and_minerals/growing_crystals.html > > > > And from my Chemcraft 'Chemical Magic' manual... > > > > Put 1 teaspoon of Sodium Silicate and 3 teaspoons of water in a > > glass and stir to mix. Add measures of Aluminum Sulfate, Nickel > > Ammonium Sulfate, Ferrous Ammonium Sulfate, Ferric Ammonium > > Sumfate, and Cobalt Chloride. Watch and you will see 'chemical > > vegetation' grow before your eyes. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 01:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Oct 10 00:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> <3DA4F09C.725439F7@earthlink.net> <3DA4F950.60D6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001901c2702f$ef9f6610$7300c850@dehtxcim3a42hi> So, so, ... In the garage of the local Funeral Home. Was there some teacher's fear ?? (:-))) Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > OOOOOps, sorry for the empty message. They put the quote and send buttons too > > close together. > > > > There is one chemical I really don't quite understand. Ferric > > Ammonium Sumfate??? Is that an old manuel. > > So I can't type...try Sulfate. > > Yes, it was an old manual, from a Chemcraft #2 chemistry set. > > And my local Pharmacist used to teach Chemistry classes (in the garage > of the local Funeral Home) on Saturdays. My home chemistry set still has > some chemicals from Gilbert too. > > > > > WOW, how old, really, is the Chemcraft manual? I haven't seen any of those > > since I was a kid and there were dinosaurs then. > > My Porter Chemical Company manual was Copyright 1937; I don't get to > pull it off the bookshelf often. Thanks for the opportunity (and > memories ;-). > > > > > Thanks for the info Kreigh. I will try that. > > > > Walt > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote: > > > > > > > > Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed > > > > > > > > Anyone know what the chemicals used were? > > > > > > > > > > >From my Links page...for growing crystals > > > > > > http://www.commean.com/rocks/ > > > http://www.beloit.edu/~SEPM/Rocks_and_minerals/growing_crystals.html > > > > > > And from my Chemcraft 'Chemical Magic' manual... > > > > > > Put 1 teaspoon of Sodium Silicate and 3 teaspoons of water in a > > > glass and stir to mix. Add measures of Aluminum Sulfate, Nickel > > > Ammonium Sulfate, Ferrous Ammonium Sulfate, Ferric Ammonium > > > Sumfate, and Cobalt Chloride. Watch and you will see 'chemical > > > vegetation' grow before your eyes. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 04:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 03:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <105.1d24bda7.2ad6ad8c@aol.com> I ran a plant that made a lot of water glass. The facility had been making it for nearly 100 years. We wanted to install drip pans on the track where the railcars had loaded it for at least 40 years. the idea was to prevent accidental spills from getting away. When we dug down we found out that the earth underneath had been solidified into a huge monolith from the drips and spills over the years. Jackhammers, huge dozers, nothing moved it. We'd made a huge boulder about 40 feet long, 12 feet wide and who knows how deep. We redrew the plans for a different design pan. Gene Hartstein From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 07:27:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Thu Oct 10 06:27:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> Message-ID: <000801c27060$9d6357e0$133d27c4@horstspc> Hi everyone, A few days ago, this subject was turning into an affair concerning jokes like "hairy frogs", "barking frogs" and "do not drink, as it is not like beer". Jokes aside, in the early seventies I came across an article, either in a gem and mineral magazine or Newsletter, with the following proposal:- When cutting and polishing a cabochon, you happen to ascertain that there are a few small cracks or pits in the surface of the cab, but it being so unique that you did not want to throw it into the tumbler or throw it on the scrap heap, get some water glass to fill these cracks or pits, and repolish the cab I tried it once, IT WORKS like a bomb!! I do not remember the exact procedure (this was before 1973, when I had to give up polishing cabs as I was no longer able to stand in front of the Lapidary machinery for any length of time (due to back disc problems) and then I switched over to mineral collecting. However, I think what was required is to soak the cabochon in water glass, haul out to dry and the resand with 400 and 600 grit sand paper and then go onto the polishing buff (at that time I was using cerium oxide). Horst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Koshman" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass > This may sound redundant, but what is water glass used for in > rockhounding and how is it used? > > Gerry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 07:50:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Oct 10 06:50:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> <3DA4F09C.725439F7@earthlink.net> <3DA4F950.60D6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3DA58566.454CFD0C@earthlink.net> Kreigh and list I wonder what other chemicals will produce effects like this or in different situations produce interesting results. This may seem off topic, but is to do with mineral salts, etc. I find it particularly interesting and hope the list is not bored with it. What mineral "tricks" are you aware of? We have all made salt gardens, I am sure. that shows chemistry and physics, what other TRICKS and experiments are there that we can use to amuse and amaze the kids we teach every day, either in class or by example? Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catspaw Minerals) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <3DA58566.454CFD0C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hmmm... there is the one where you put SOMETHING on a hunk of coal and you get "flowers" blooming on it. Ah... I remember... it was laundry bluing. What chemical is in there has passed from my memory, though. gcb ps. You can still get the "classic" Gilbert chemistry sets up on eBay. Right now there are 20 or so for sale up there. I remember mine. I had a lab set up under the steps in my house in New Jersey. I can still recall the warm-wet smell of the alcohol lamp! Water into Wine! Invisible Ink! Humidity Indicator! Stink Bombs! What mineral "tricks" are you aware of? We have all made salt gardens, I am sure. that shows chemistry and physics, what other TRICKS and experiments are there that we can use to amuse and amaze the kids we teach every day, either in class or by example? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:04:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:04:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <4f.25027cda.2ad6e2c7@aol.com> TRICKS: well there is the time old part of the fluorescent show that you have this white substance that you mix and then pour and show how it fluoresces. And then DRINK it. . . . .it is MILK....they always go eeeehhhhhhwwwwww For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From memory: Lump of coal Household ammonia Salt (common table variety) Bluing (for color) Mercurochrome (for color) Pour the salt/ammonia over the coal, sprinkle with Bluing/mercurochrome and let evaporate. You can refresh occasionally with more ammonia/salt solution until the thing outgrows the bowl. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Catspaw Minerals Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:01 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass Hmmm... there is the one where you put SOMETHING on a hunk of coal and you get "flowers" blooming on it. Ah... I remember... it was laundry bluing. What chemical is in there has passed from my memory, though. gcb ps. You can still get the "classic" Gilbert chemistry sets up on eBay. Right now there are 20 or so for sale up there. I remember mine. I had a lab set up under the steps in my house in New Jersey. I can still recall the warm-wet smell of the alcohol lamp! Water into Wine! Invisible Ink! Humidity Indicator! Stink Bombs! What mineral "tricks" are you aware of? We have all made salt gardens, I am sure. that shows chemistry and physics, what other TRICKS and experiments are there that we can use to amuse and amaze the kids we teach every day, either in class or by example? _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:28:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:28:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <434EEA2F.1191CD24.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <002901c2706a$4ce956c0$519d77d5@pandora.be> I can't remember using any acid... It's the water glass itself that acts as a gel I believe. I remember buying it as a white syrup-like viscous semi-fluid. Eggs will stay "fresh" for months when submerged in it. It's a heritance from the late 40' early 50' when refrigerators were scarce as grass on the South Pole. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | I seem to remember that the gardens grew in a gel. Do you acidify the solution to make the gel first or allow the acidic nature of a metallic salt and a strong acid to do the job? | | Gene Hartstein | | BTW. Eggs were dipped in silicate to strengthen the shells for shipment in the old days. Today it is used on fiber board drums to waterproof and strengthen them, but the biggest use by far is in detergents. | | In a message dated Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:12:45 +0200, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: | | > | > | > Any colored salt will do. Doesn't matter if it 's a chlorite, sulphate or | > nitrate as long as it's the kation that causes the color. Anions with strong | > colors like permanganates, dichromates, vanadates will only color the | > solution or form a precipitate. | > 30 or more years ago there was little awareness of environmental care... | > There's no telling how many tons of heavy metal went straight from the | > chemistry box down the drain. | > | > Axel Emmermann | > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen | > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties | > Home : Lobbesplein 12 | > B-2640 Mortsel | > Belgium | > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 | > E-mail: | > axel.emmermann@pandora.be | > Visit our homepage: | > http://www.minerant.org/index.html | > Bezoek onze web-site: | > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html | > My own web-site: | > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Henry Barwood" | > To: | > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:20 PM | > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass | > | > | > | Hi walt, | > | | > | If you drop lumps of metal chlorides into a solution of water glass | > (sodium | > | silicate) they will precipitate complex metal silicates that will form | > | tree-like plumes. I think they were ferric chloride, cobalt chloride and | > | copper chloride to give different colors. That's all my bio-degradable | > | memory can recall. | > | | > | Henry | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | > | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Walter S. | > | Bowser | > | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:54 AM | > | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | > | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | > | | > | | > | Used to have crystal tree growing materials which were immersed in a | > | water glass solution and grew stalactites and stalagmites from the | > | matrix. | > | | > | I remember them much longer ago than 35years. It was umphgrupmth years | > | for me. Had them in the late 40s , I know and the early | > 50s. Maybe | > | they still have them. | > | | > | Anyone know what the chemicals used were? | > | | > | Walt | > | | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > | Subscription Services: | > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | > | | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > | Subscription Services: | > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | > | | > | > | > _______________________________________________ | > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > Subscription Services: | > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:37:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:37:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Astrorite References: <31E01E1CB63AAD459A1D5E4BF3A4CE3E05E37A@pbex01.pb.nmcco.net> Message-ID: <003101c2706b$83ca9ae0$519d77d5@pandora.be> Can't find "astrorite", not even in de Glossary of Mineral Synonyms... and that's bad! This means that it probably a vééééééry local name. "Astro" could refer to asterism which is a phenomenon related to the breaking and refracting of light in a star-shape. It is sometimes observed in ruby (corundum), saphire and other gems. Maybe you should look in that corner? Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, James" To: Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:40 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Astrorite | can this material be mined? | Is this corundom> what is the hardness> where can we buy some samples both cabs and faceted? | thank you for your time and effort | | JIMI TWO ROCKS | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <3DA4B7B5.AE95A88E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004b01c2706c$3f0d2480$519d77d5@pandora.be> Hmmm... break the bottle, pulverize the contens and ad some water... I think this should work. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half | full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot | be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so the stuff has had | time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. | | Walt | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 08:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Oct 10 07:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <105.1d24bda7.2ad6ad8c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA594D0.C09192E0@earthlink.net> I guess trying to unsolidify the stuff in the bottle is out of the question, then. FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > I ran a plant that made a lot of water glass. The facility had been making it > for nearly 100 years. We wanted to install drip pans on the track where the > railcars had loaded it for at least 40 years. the idea was to prevent > accidental spills from getting away. When we dug down we found out that the > earth underneath had been solidified into a huge monolith from the drips and > spills over the years. Jackhammers, huge dozers, nothing moved it. We'd made > a huge boulder about 40 feet long, 12 feet wide and who knows how deep. We > redrew the plans for a different design pan. > > Gene Hartstein > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 09:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Oct 10 08:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <3DA598CA.B6B5542@earthlink.net> The coal and bluing or other color dye was with the salt and water. It rose by capillary action and crystal growth. I loved it when I was a kid. Walt Catspaw Minerals wrote: > Hmmm... there is the one where you put SOMETHING on a hunk of coal and you > get "flowers" blooming on it. Ah... I remember... it was laundry bluing. > What chemical is in there has passed from my memory, though. > > gcb > > ps. You can still get the "classic" Gilbert chemistry sets up on eBay. > Right now there are 20 or so for sale up there. I remember mine. I had a > lab set up under the steps in my house in New Jersey. I can still recall > the warm-wet smell of the alcohol lamp! Water into Wine! Invisible Ink! > Humidity Indicator! Stink Bombs! > > > > What mineral "tricks" are you aware of? We have all made salt gardens, > I am sure. that shows chemistry and physics, what other TRICKS and > experiments are there that we can use to amuse and amaze the kids we > teach every day, either in class or by example? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 09:43:20 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Oct 10 08:43:20 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <105.1d24bda7.2ad6ad8c@aol.com> Message-ID: <009d01c27071$b23617a0$731cbed8@powertech.net> > I ran a plant that made a lot of water glass. The facility had been making it > for nearly 100 years. We wanted to install drip pans on the track where the > railcars had loaded it for at least 40 years. the idea was to prevent > accidental spills from getting away. When we dug down we found out that the > earth underneath had been solidified into a huge monolith from the drips and > spills over the years. Jackhammers, huge dozers, nothing moved it. We'd made > a huge boulder about 40 feet long, 12 feet wide and who knows how deep. We > redrew the plans for a different design pan. Wow! Golly, they had already made you the bottom for an indestructible pan! Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 09:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 08:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards Message-ID: <20021010154546.SDRF23792.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Hi all, This is a long shot but here goes: After my first course in determinative mineralogy, I decided to acquire most of the equipment and consumables any wel-stocked lab should have. I quickly found out why the average hobbyist does not conduct experiments: the costs are astronomical. I managed to cheat with refractive index fluids: I bought a few fluids dispersed across a wide range, and I found a great deal on a Zeiss Abbe refractometer; since the fluids are miscible, I can determine RI by mixing fluids and then observe the RI of the fluid by using the refractometer. No such luck, however, with specific gravity fluids. While I can use a triple-beam balance and water immersion for larger samples, the accuracy of this method decreases in proportion to decreasing specimen size, to the point where it becomes completely infeasible. I thought the RI fluids were expensive, but costs for SG liquids are out of this world. Again, if you buy several from the same compositional series, they are miscible, but then you would need to calibrate the SG of the mixture you just made. So I thought, aha, I'll just buy a set of sink/float standards. Well, if I thought the price of SG fluids was out of this world, sink/floats are out of this universe. This leaves me no closer to solving my problem. My question, then is this: might anyone know of a lab that is selling or phasing out a set of standards? Does anyone have a used set they might part with? Does anyone have suggestions for making your own reliable set? Many thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 09:56:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Thu Oct 10 08:56:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Astrorite Message-ID: <003b01c27075$5d485060$eca14bd5@o8o3s6> Hi, All I can find resembling "astrorite" is the following: Asteroite = hedenbergite Asterite = sapphire Cheers, Maurice From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 09:59:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Thu Oct 10 08:59:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards In-Reply-To: <20021010154546.SDRF23792.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Message-ID: Curt Segeler used to run specific gravity determinations using a simple method. He would take small disk or beaker and place say, 10 drops of specific gravity fluid "A" in it. He would then place some small grains of the mineral to be determined in the fluid and add specific gravity fluid "B" one drop at a time. When the mineral sank/floated, he would use a simple linear ratio between the two fluids to determine the approximate specific gravity of the mineral. Carefully done, the technique can estimate SG to one or two decimal places. A bottle of fluid will last for years using these small quantities and the test works on relatively minute mineral fragments. Henry Barwood -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:46 AM To: RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com Cc: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards Hi all, This is a long shot but here goes: After my first course in determinative mineralogy, I decided to acquire most of the equipment and consumables any wel-stocked lab should have. I quickly found out why the average hobbyist does not conduct experiments: the costs are astronomical. I managed to cheat with refractive index fluids: I bought a few fluids dispersed across a wide range, and I found a great deal on a Zeiss Abbe refractometer; since the fluids are miscible, I can determine RI by mixing fluids and then observe the RI of the fluid by using the refractometer. No such luck, however, with specific gravity fluids. While I can use a triple-beam balance and water immersion for larger samples, the accuracy of this method decreases in proportion to decreasing specimen size, to the point where it becomes completely infeasible. I thought the RI fluids were expensive, but costs for SG liquids are out of this world. Again, if you buy several from the same compositional series, they are miscible, but then you would need to calibrate the SG of the mixture you just made. So I thought, aha, I'll just buy a set of sink/float standards. Well, if I thought the price of SG fluids was out of this world, sink/floats are out of this universe. This leaves me no closer to solving my problem. My question, then is this: might anyone know of a lab that is selling or phasing out a set of standards? Does anyone have a used set they might part with? Does anyone have suggestions for making your own reliable set? Many thanks, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 10:14:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Oct 10 09:14:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards References: Message-ID: <001f01c27078$06b84040$4bdec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Why not using a pycnometer and a precise balance? Will be cheaper in the end. Balances are cheaper now than they used to be and pycnometers are available in small volume range (10 mL). Only 1 fluid is necessary then, can even be water. Only one parameter is still needed, the temperature for the pycnometer correction. Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards > Curt Segeler used to run specific gravity determinations using a simple > method. He would take small disk or beaker and place say, 10 drops of > specific gravity fluid "A" in it. He would then place some small grains of > the mineral to be determined in the fluid and add specific gravity fluid "B" > one drop at a time. When the mineral sank/floated, he would use a simple > linear ratio between the two fluids to determine the approximate specific > gravity of the mineral. Carefully done, the technique can estimate SG to one > or two decimal places. A bottle of fluid will last for years using these > small quantities and the test works on relatively minute mineral fragments. > > Henry Barwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:46 AM > To: RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com > Cc: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards > > > > Hi all, > > This is a long shot but here goes: > > After my first course in determinative mineralogy, I decided to acquire most > of > the equipment and consumables any wel-stocked lab should have. I quickly > found > out why the average hobbyist does not conduct experiments: the costs are > astronomical. I managed to cheat with refractive index fluids: I bought a > few > fluids dispersed across a wide range, and I found a great deal on a Zeiss > Abbe > refractometer; since the fluids are miscible, I can determine RI by mixing > fluids and then observe the RI of the fluid by using the refractometer. > > No such luck, however, with specific gravity fluids. While I can use a > triple-beam balance and water immersion for larger samples, the accuracy of > this method decreases in proportion to decreasing specimen size, to the > point > where it becomes completely infeasible. I thought the RI fluids were > expensive, but costs for SG liquids are out of this world. Again, if you > buy > several from the same compositional series, they are miscible, but then you > would need to calibrate the SG of the mixture you just made. So I thought, > aha, I'll just buy a set of sink/float standards. Well, if I thought the > price > of SG fluids was out of this world, sink/floats are out of this universe. > This > leaves me no closer to solving my problem. > > My question, then is this: might anyone know of a lab that is selling or > phasing out a set of standards? Does anyone have a used set they might part > with? Does anyone have suggestions for making your own reliable set? > > Many thanks, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 11:02:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 10:02:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards Message-ID: <20021010170137.BRVB6348.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> You mean this is the device I need? http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15123R.html That sounds too easy! However, it looks like this device must be filled to capacity with the substance being tested in order to have an equivalent volume for comparison. They also sell this device: http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15115.html That sounds easier to use, but requires a larger sample, and I am specifically interested in samples about the size of a pinhead or even smaller. And last but not least, there is this hideously expensive product: http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15113.html I have no idea what to do with this, nor for $816 will I ever find out. Paul, if this is a useful method, I will buy you even more beer when you come . . . Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 11:29:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Oct 10 10:29:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <000501c26f42$3864f3e0$30ad0a0a@user2v7guxqo1o> <004501c26f9d$66150f40$239d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA450F5.AB14E93A@earthlink.net> <3DA4BA8C.4316@Tomaszewski.net> <3DA4F09C.725439F7@earthlink.net> <3DA4F950.60D6@Tomaszewski.net> <3DA58566.454CFD0C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002901c27082$6eeadba0$4bdec850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Other mineral trick: Produce your own phantom XLS. Saturate an alum solution, and let it evaporate slowly while hanging a small grain of pure alum in it. After a while you'll get alum XLS. Now take a chromium-alum an do the same, but hang the first obtained XLS in it for a shorter period. The chromium-alum will deposit on the alum. Later you can redeposit normal alum over it again. THis way you obtain,if you have luck, perfect octaeders with a ohantom effect. Alum is a mixed sulphate Potassium-aluminium-sulphate, Cromium alum is a Cromium-alumi is a Potassium-chromium-sulphate. Rgds, Paul Van hee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > Kreigh and list > > I wonder what other chemicals will produce effects like this or in > different situations produce interesting results. This may seem off > topic, but is to do with mineral salts, etc. I find it particularly > interesting and hope the list is not bored with it. > > What mineral "tricks" are you aware of? We have all made salt gardens, > I am sure. that shows chemistry and physics, what other TRICKS and > experiments are there that we can use to amuse and amaze the kids we > teach every day, either in class or by example? > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 11:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Oct 10 10:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <004b01c2706c$3f0d2480$519d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: Axel et al., I'm afraid that that wouldn't work : by hydrolysis over the years the monomer sodium silicate has polymerised very probably to some kind of amorphous silica, that is insoluble in water. Greetings, Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: 10 October, 2002 4:50 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass Hmmm... break the bottle, pulverize the contens and ad some water... I think this should work. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half | full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot | be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so the stuff has had | time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. | | Walt | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 11:32:07 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Oct 10 10:32:07 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Astrorite In-Reply-To: <003b01c27075$5d485060$eca14bd5@o8o3s6> Message-ID: and... astrolite = muscovite astorite = richterite (from "Glossary of mineral synonyms", Jeffrey de Fourestier, special publication # 2 The Canadian Mineralogist) Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Maurice de Graaf Sent: 10 October, 2002 5:54 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Astrorite Hi, All I can find resembling "astrorite" is the following: Asteroite = hedenbergite Asterite = sapphire Cheers, Maurice _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 12:03:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Thu Oct 10 11:03:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Message-ID: Dear List, On October 21st I'm heading to Raleigh, North Carolina to do some fossil = collecting in the state. I'll be there through October 29th. I plan to = hunt at Boron Clay Pit, Greenville, Aurora, Rocky Point Quarry, and Castl= e Haynes Quarry. Does anyone have any updates on any of these sites; its= been a few years since I've hunted them? Any other recommendations? An= y "events" in the area over that time (I can extend my visit on either en= d if necessary)? Anyone available/interested in joining me on any of the= se hunts? (I'm also interested in rocks and minerals if that is your pas= sion.) Regards, Tom Bowers --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 12:45:32 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Oct 10 11:45:32 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: Message-ID: <020201c2708e$4198e000$519d77d5@pandora.be> I.o.w.: glass without the water? Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass | Axel et al., I'm afraid that that wouldn't work : by hydrolysis over the | years the monomer sodium silicate has polymerised very probably to some kind | of amorphous silica, that is insoluble in water. | Greetings, | | Rik | | -----Original Message----- | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann | Sent: 10 October, 2002 4:50 PM | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | | | Hmmm... break the bottle, pulverize the contens and ad some water... I think | this should work. | Axel Emmermann | Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen | Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties | Home : Lobbesplein 12 | B-2640 Mortsel | Belgium | Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 | E-mail: | axel.emmermann@pandora.be | Visit our homepage: | http://www.minerant.org/index.html | Bezoek onze web-site: | http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html | My own web-site: | http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" | To: | Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:11 AM | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | | | | Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half | | full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot | | be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so the stuff has had | | time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. | | | | Walt | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | | Subscription Services: | | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 12:58:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Oct 10 11:58:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina References: Message-ID: <3DA5CD47.8090306@emory.edu> Hi Tom: I'll be at Aurora on Oct 27th. Maybe I'll see you there. What do you look like? Last I heard about Aurora, the collecting area is "limited" (but I don't know how big/small it is). Clubs have been going in since the summer and things may be "picked over". It's still worth it to me if I find a "Meg" like I did last time. There is a website on Aurora. I don't know the address, but a search of GOOGLE will surely bring it up. Until then, Anita Westlake THOMAS BOWERS wrote: >Dear List, > >On October 21st I'm heading to Raleigh, North Carolina to do some fossil collecting in the state. I'll be there through October 29th. I plan to hunt at Boron Clay Pit, Greenville, Aurora, Rocky Point Quarry, and Castle Haynes Quarry. Does anyone have any updates on any of these sites; its been a few years since I've hunted them? Any other recommendations? Any "events" in the area over that time (I can extend my visit on either end if necessary)? Anyone available/interested in joining me on any of these hunts? (I'm also interested in rocks and minerals if that is your passion.) > >Regards, > >Tom Bowers > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 13:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Oct 10 12:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass In-Reply-To: <020201c2708e$4198e000$519d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: You could in fact rephrase it like that indeed... Rik -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: 10 October, 2002 8:53 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass I.o.w.: glass without the water? Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass | Axel et al., I'm afraid that that wouldn't work : by hydrolysis over the | years the monomer sodium silicate has polymerised very probably to some kind | of amorphous silica, that is insoluble in water. | Greetings, | | Rik | | -----Original Message----- | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann | Sent: 10 October, 2002 4:50 PM | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | | | Hmmm... break the bottle, pulverize the contens and ad some water... I think | this should work. | Axel Emmermann | Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen | Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties | Home : Lobbesplein 12 | B-2640 Mortsel | Belgium | Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 | E-mail: | axel.emmermann@pandora.be | Visit our homepage: | http://www.minerant.org/index.html | Bezoek onze web-site: | http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html | My own web-site: | http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" | To: | Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:11 AM | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass | | | | Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half | | full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot | | be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so the stuff has had | | time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. | | | | Walt | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | | Subscription Services: | | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 13:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 12:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Message-ID: <20021010191400.GXID20527.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Oh you guys and your big stuff. Has anyone ever collected the microfossils? It really is worth it. Tiny, perfect little sharks teeth, sea urchin spines, miniature seashells (of different -pods: gastropods, cephalapods? you know, bivalves, curly ones--you can tell I really know my taxonomy!), cute little coprolites with exquisite detail, what *appear* to be tiny mammal teeth (smooth and rounded) . . . the list goes on. To see a perfectly formed tiny shark's tooth with edge serrations and flawless enamel is a delightful sight. The good news is that I rarely go over 15x to find this stuff, so a good quality stand magnifier will do quite nicely; a stereoscope is only useful if you want to see the material in more 3-D form. Collect large, think small. A 5-gallon bucket of this material will last you for years if you pick through it a little at a time. Don > Hi Tom: > I'll be at Aurora on Oct 27th. Maybe I'll see you there. What do you > look like? > Last I heard about Aurora, the collecting area is "limited" (but I > don't know how big/small it is). Clubs have been going in since the > summer and things may be "picked over". It's still worth it to me if I > find a "Meg" like I did last time. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 13:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Thu Oct 10 12:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Message-ID: Hi Anita, I'm six feet tall, heavyset, clean shaven, short-ish brown hair, gray sid= eburns, mid-50's. I'll be with another fella who is about 5'8", middle = build, clean shaven (last I saw), brown hair, late 40's. =20 Tell me what you look like and I will look for you as well. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Westlake Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:02 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Hi Tom: I'll be at Aurora on Oct 27th. Maybe I'll see you there. What do you =20 look like? Last I heard about Aurora, the collecting area is "limited" (but I =20 don't know how big/small it is). Clubs have been going in since the =20 summer and things may be "picked over". It's still worth it to me if I =20 find a "Meg" like I did last time. There is a website on Aurora. I don't =20 know the address, but a search of GOOGLE will surely bring it up. Until then, Anita Westlake THOMAS BOWERS wrote: >Dear List, > >On October 21st I'm heading to Raleigh, North Carolina to do some fossil= collecting in the state. I'll be there through October 29th. I plan to= hunt at Boron Clay Pit, Greenville, Aurora, Rocky Point Quarry, and Cast= le Haynes Quarry. Does anyone have any updates on any of these sites; it= s been a few years since I've hunted them? Any other recommendations? A= ny "events" in the area over that time (I can extend my visit on either e= nd if necessary)? Anyone available/interested in joining me on any of th= ese hunts? (I'm also interested in rocks and minerals if that is your pa= ssion.) > >Regards, > >Tom Bowers > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 13:25:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Thu Oct 10 12:25:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Message-ID: Well Don, Collecting the large does not eliminate the opportunity of collecting the= small. Actually, I do both. I to have a microscope and find it a lot o= f fun to look for microfossils as well. Heck, I'll even collect fluoresc= ent minerals as I did with you the first year of the reopening of the Tro= tter dump in Franklin, NJ. BTW, I'm hoping to repeat that expedition thi= s coming year. Any word on "when" yet? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: morningstar@att.net Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:18 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Oh you guys and your big stuff. Has anyone ever collected the microfossi= ls? =20 It really is worth it. Tiny, perfect little sharks teeth, sea urchin spi= nes, =20 miniature seashells (of different -pods: gastropods, cephalapods? you kn= ow, =20 bivalves, curly ones--you can tell I really know my taxonomy!), cute litt= le =20 coprolites with exquisite detail, what *appear* to be tiny mammal teeth (= smooth =20 and rounded) . . . the list goes on. To see a perfectly formed tiny shar= k's =20 tooth with edge serrations and flawless enamel is a delightful sight. Th= e good =20 news is that I rarely go over 15x to find this stuff, so a good quality s= tand =20 magnifier will do quite nicely; a stereoscope is only useful if you want = to see =20 the material in more 3-D form. Collect large, think small. A 5-gallon bucket of this material will last= you =20 for years if you pick through it a little at a time. =20 Don > Hi Tom: > I'll be at Aurora on Oct 27th. Maybe I'll see you there. What do you= =20 > look like? > Last I heard about Aurora, the collecting area is "limited" (but I =20 > don't know how big/small it is). Clubs have been going in since the =20 > summer and things may be "picked over". It's still worth it to me if I =20 > find a "Meg" like I did last time. =20 _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 14:05:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 13:05:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina (and NJ?) Message-ID: <20021010200444.ZRIV23792.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Oh yes, I remember you! One of the noble faithful. I'm not running the trip any longer, though I retain the dubious title of "Chairman Emeritus"; my successor has put up a website at http://uvworld.org . It should be the last full weekend of April, in conjunction with the annual NJESA show. This year I was still moderately involved; next year, I'll be out of town. It's everything you remember, and more! Don > Well Don, > > Collecting the large does not eliminate the opportunity of collecting the small. > Actually, I do both. I to have a microscope and find it a lot of fun to look > for microfossils as well. Heck, I'll even collect fluorescent minerals as I did > with you the first year of the reopening of the Trotter dump in Franklin, NJ. > BTW, I'm hoping to repeat that expedition this coming year. Any word on "when" > yet? > > Tom From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 14:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Thu Oct 10 13:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rocks & Minerals back issues wanted Message-ID: <06d201c2709c$1e6a7ea0$3c7277d5@pandora.be> Hi, Anybody having back issues of the magazine Rocks & Minerals for sale for = a reasonable price? Preferably complete years.... but any offer wil be considered. Shipping within the US will do (or even better: bring them to the Tucson = Show in Feb 2003). Trading them for LAPIS back issues (in German) is possible too. Offers off list (or on list if you prefer) to herwig.pelckmans@pandora.be Thx, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 14:54:12 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 13:54:12 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina Message-ID: <62D0A216.61FAA47F.02180873@aol.com> One year I took home 8 or 10, 5 gallon buckets of the stuff and washed, sieved and dried it on my driveway, saving the +1/8 to -1/4 fraction for more inspection. I then gave about half of it to the science supt. of the local school district, along with a bare bones lesson plan and resource list. The 7,8, & 9 grade students each had labs which were essentially a classroom fossil hunt and subsequent identification exercise. It was well received. Note this reject material contains some uncommon to rare shark species. You can get the ID of the teeth on www.elasmo.com. Gene Hartstein In a message dated Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:14:00 +0000, morningstar@att.net writes: > > > > Oh you guys and your big stuff. Has anyone ever collected the microfossils? > It really is worth it. Tiny, perfect little sharks teeth, sea urchin spines, > miniature seashells (of different -pods: gastropods, cephalapods? you know, > bivalves, curly ones--you can tell I really know my taxonomy!), cute little > coprolites with exquisite detail, what *appear* to be tiny mammal teeth (smooth > and rounded) . . . the list goes on. To see a perfectly formed tiny shark's > tooth with edge serrations and flawless enamel is a delightful sight. The good > news is that I rarely go over 15x to find this stuff, so a good quality stand > magnifier will do quite nicely; a stereoscope is only useful if you want to see > the material in more 3-D form. > > Collect large, think small. A 5-gallon bucket of this material will last you > for years if you pick through it a little at a time. > > Don > > > > Hi Tom: > > I'll be at Aurora on Oct 27th. Maybe I'll see you there. What do you > > look like? > > Last I heard about Aurora, the collecting area is "limited" (but I > > don't know how big/small it is). Clubs have been going in since the > > summer and things may be "picked over". It's still worth > it to me if I > > find a "Meg" like I did last time. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 15:03:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 14:03:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <2E580502.179957C4.02180873@aol.com> Actually the water glass reverts to the same glass that came out of the silicate furnace in the first place. It will dissolve in super hot water in hours under pressure (autoclave). It will also dissolve slowly in warm water (it will take a very long time). Every so many years one has to rebuild the furnaces that make the water glass. They are allowed to cool and solidify so that the refractory "tank" walls can be rebuilt. At such times it was not uncommon to take large chunks of the glass for decorative 'rocks". The only problem was that they would slowly dissolve in rain and snow if left outside. The process took years, not months, but eventually the pieces dissolved to nothing. My guess is that the silicate in the bottle over time has become intimately involved with the glass of the bottle so that the boundary between bottle and silicate may not be all that distinct. Gene Hartstein In a message dated Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:10:23 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > > You could in fact rephrase it like that indeed... > > Rik > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: 10 October, 2002 8:53 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > > I.o.w.: glass without the water? > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:37 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > > | Axel et al., I'm afraid that that wouldn't work : by hydrolysis over the > | years the monomer sodium silicate has polymerised very probably to some > kind > | of amorphous silica, that is insoluble in water. > | Greetings, > | > | Rik > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > | Sent: 10 October, 2002 4:50 PM > | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > | > | > | Hmmm... break the bottle, pulverize the contens and ad some water... I > think > | this should work. > | Axel Emmermann > | Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > | Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > | Home : Lobbesplein 12 > | B-2640 Mortsel > | Belgium > | Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > | E-mail: > | axel.emmermann@pandora.be > | Visit our homepage: > | http://www.minerant.org/index.html > | Bezoek onze web-site: > | http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > | My own web-site: > | http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" > | To: > | Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:11 AM > | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > | > | > | | Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half > | | full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot > | | be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so > the stuff has had > | | time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. > | | > | | Walt > | | > | | _______________________________________________ > | | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | | Subscription Services: > | | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | | > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 15:03:07 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 14:03:07 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <575BDEC6.2C099B6F.02180873@aol.com> Actually the water glass reverts to the same glass that came out of the silicate furnace in the first place. It will dissolve in super hot water in hours under pressure (autoclave). It will also dissolve slowly in warm water (it will take a very long time). Every so many years one has to rebuild the furnaces that make the water glass. They are allowed to cool and solidify so that the refractory "tank" walls can be rebuilt. At such times it was not uncommon to take large chunks of the glass for decorative 'rocks". The only problem was that they would slowly dissolve in rain and snow if left outside. The process took years, not months, but eventually the pieces dissolved to nothing. My guess is that the silicate in the bottle over time has become intimately involved with the glass of the bottle so that the boundary between bottle and silicate may not be all that distinct. Gene Hartstein In a message dated Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:10:23 +0200, rik.dillen@skynet.be writes: > > > You could in fact rephrase it like that indeed... > > Rik > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: 10 October, 2002 8:53 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > > I.o.w.: glass without the water? > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:37 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > > | Axel et al., I'm afraid that that wouldn't work : by hydrolysis over the > | years the monomer sodium silicate has polymerised very probably to some > kind > | of amorphous silica, that is insoluble in water. > | Greetings, > | > | Rik > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > | [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > | Sent: 10 October, 2002 4:50 PM > | To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > | > | > | Hmmm... break the bottle, pulverize the contens and ad some water... I > think > | this should work. > | Axel Emmermann > | Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > | Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > | Home : Lobbesplein 12 > | B-2640 Mortsel > | Belgium > | Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > | E-mail: > | axel.emmermann@pandora.be > | Visit our homepage: > | http://www.minerant.org/index.html > | Bezoek onze web-site: > | http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > | My own web-site: > | http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" > | To: > | Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:11 AM > | Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > | > | > | | Cleaning out some antique bottles in the garage, and came upon one half > | | full of solidifies water glass. I think it is safe to say that it cannot > | | be reconstituted. The bottle is about 90 years old so > the stuff has had > | | time to solidify beyond all hope of redemption. > | | > | | Walt > | | > | | _______________________________________________ > | | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | | Subscription Services: > | | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | | > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 15:06:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 10 14:06:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass Message-ID: <5FF4AB5E.09094827.02180873@aol.com> Actually you can also make several different shade crystals by mixing different proportions of alum and chrome alum. I did that as a kid. Gene Hartsten In a message dated Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:28:18 +0200, pvanhee@skynet.be writes: > > > Other mineral trick: > Produce your own phantom XLS. > Saturate an alum solution, and let it evaporate slowly while hanging a small > grain of pure alum in it. > After a while you'll get alum XLS. > Now take a chromium-alum an do the same, but hang the first obtained XLS in > it for a shorter period. > The chromium-alum will deposit on the alum. > Later you can redeposit normal alum over it again. > THis way you obtain,if you have luck, perfect octaeders with a ohantom > effect. > Alum is a mixed sulphate Potassium-aluminium-sulphate, Cromium alum is a > Cromium-alumi is a Potassium-chromium-sulphate. > Rgds, > Paul Van hee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Walter S. Bowser" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Water glass > > > > Kreigh and list > > > > I wonder what other chemicals will produce effects like this or in > > different situations produce interesting results. This may seem off > > topic, but is to do with mineral salts, etc. I find it particularly > > interesting and hope the list is not bored with it. > > > > What mineral "tricks" are you aware of? We have all made salt gardens, > > I am sure. that shows chemistry and physics, what other TRICKS and > > experiments are there that we can use to amuse and amaze > the kids we > > teach every day, either in class or by example? > > > > Walt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 15:51:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Thu Oct 10 14:51:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards References: <20021010154546.SDRF23792.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Message-ID: <005f01c270a7$445ead60$4db2950c@mel> There is a world of difference between "standard" samples for anything and regular ones. Check around for pure crystals of whatever and develop your own standards. You might get 3 decimals instead of 5 or 6, but I doubt you need 5 or 6. Mel Albright From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 10 16:34:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Oct 10 15:34:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <2E580502.179957C4.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA60051.4980CC3@earthlink.net> Gene, I agree with you that theprocess is not what I want to do. It is more valuable to have 70 to 90 year old chemical bottles with the lables pretty well in tact. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 01:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Fri Oct 11 00:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards References: <20021010170137.BRVB6348.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Message-ID: <004401c270fa$eb38ac50$e03c88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Don, It is the kind of material I mean. However I used a small volume pycnometer, 5 or 10 ml max. There must be other companies selling them. This because if you have only small samples it is better to have a small vol (=weight) because it is a weight difference measurement. You can dubbelcheck results by doing the measurement with 2 different liquids (e.g water and methanol). With a small vol pycnometer there is no themometer on the pycnometer. You just have to allow to equilibrate to the room temperature, and of course measure that. Precision is dependent of accuracy of the balance, air bubbles in the liquid, way of wiping off the excess of liquid, ... You can put the beaker with liquid to use in an ultrasonic bath to get rid of the air bubbles prior to its use. The first ref tells the principle how to use the pycnometer for small samples. Principle: weight of pycnometer filled with water, empty the pycnometer and add sample (register the weight of the sample). Refill the pycnometer containing the sample with water and register that weight. From that you get the water displaced volume from your sample. Then you can calculate the density of the sample. See also the second ref dealing with microscale density measurement, looks very interesting. This are 3 of the ref's found by google search. Rgds, Paul BTW it will be either march or april when I'll be in NJ. http://www.erl.dot.state.ia.us/apr_2002/IM/content/380.pdf http://www.ar.cc.mn.us/chemistry/Chem1061/Labs/MicroscaleDensity/MicroscaleD ensity.doc http://www2.volstate.edu/CHEM/1110/Labs/Density.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards > > You mean this is the device I need? > > http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15123R.html > > That sounds too easy! However, it looks like this device must be filled to > capacity with the substance being tested in order to have an equivalent volume > for comparison. They also sell this device: > > http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15115.html > > That sounds easier to use, but requires a larger sample, and I am specifically > interested in samples about the size of a pinhead or even smaller. And last > but not least, there is this hideously expensive product: > > http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15113.html > > I have no idea what to do with this, nor for $816 will I ever find out. > > Paul, if this is a useful method, I will buy you even more beer when you come . > . . > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 02:00:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Fri Oct 11 01:00:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards References: <20021010170137.BRVB6348.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Message-ID: <005801c270fc$1d0f0bb0$e03c88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Don, I sent the last msg also to myself to check the links I gave. The microscale did'nt work so I suggest to search for it as follows: Start Google by searching for 'pycnometer'. On my 8 th page of results one of the first is dealing with micro density measurements. Hope this works. Rgds, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards > > You mean this is the device I need? > > http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15123R.html > > That sounds too easy! However, it looks like this device must be filled to > capacity with the substance being tested in order to have an equivalent volume > for comparison. They also sell this device: > > http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15115.html > > That sounds easier to use, but requires a larger sample, and I am specifically > interested in samples about the size of a pinhead or even smaller. And last > but not least, there is this hideously expensive product: > > http://www.kimble-kontes.com/html/pg-15113.html > > I have no idea what to do with this, nor for $816 will I ever find out. > > Paul, if this is a useful method, I will buy you even more beer when you come . > . . > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 03:31:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Oct 11 02:31:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <2E580502.179957C4.02180873@aol.com> <3DA60051.4980CC3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001d01c27109$f09f20c0$809d77d5@pandora.be> | Gene, I agree with you that theprocess is not what I want to do. It is | more valuable to have 70 to 90 year old chemical bottles with the lables | pretty well in tact. | | Walt Hard choice Walt! It's a bit like the mummy of Nefertiti. That's an invaluable piece of antique, I agree, but according to ancient scriptures the "fresh item" was also not to be sneezed at 8oD Axel (grinning) | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 05:32:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Oct 11 04:32:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old mineral terms and meanings References: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DA6B66C.8000306@ptd.net> I am curious to know the original accurate or implied meaning of the word "spar" and the possible associated meaning of the term "feldspar" .... I know what feldspar is but ; always thought spar was a term for calcite alone, and recently have been made aware that it more accurately refers to both calcite and quartz. With this being the case, one might think that spar was a term conceived before the use of the term feldspar, but could be wrong. Is it possible that spar originally meant any crystalline form of rock?? Oh yes; and then there is the old term fluorspar which refers to fluorite.. which might lend credence to my thinking that it originally meant any crystalline rock... any thoughts?? Dennis Buffenmyer From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 06:18:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri Oct 11 05:18:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina References: Message-ID: <3DA6EB9C.B24A200F@emory.edu> Hi Tom: I look just like you (except no sideburns!) I am six feet tall, too much pizza under the belt, short brown hair, clean shaven (I would hope so) in my mid 40's. I'll have a Meg in my hand (instead of a flower in my buttonhole). See you soon! Anita THOMAS BOWERS wrote: > > Hi Anita, > > I'm six feet tall, heavyset, clean shaven, short-ish brown hair, gray sideburns, mid-50's. I'll be with another fella who is about 5'8", middle build, clean shaven (last I saw), brown hair, late 40's. > > Tell me what you look like and I will look for you as well. > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita Westlake > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:02 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina > > Hi Tom: > I'll be at Aurora on Oct 27th. Maybe I'll see you there. What do you > look like? > Last I heard about Aurora, the collecting area is "limited" (but I > don't know how big/small it is). Clubs have been going in since the > summer and things may be "picked over". It's still worth it to me if I > find a "Meg" like I did last time. There is a website on Aurora. I don't > know the address, but a search of GOOGLE will surely bring it up. > > Until then, > > Anita Westlake > > THOMAS BOWERS wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >On October 21st I'm heading to Raleigh, North Carolina to do some fossil collecting in the state. I'll be there through October 29th. I plan to hunt at Boron Clay Pit, Greenville, Aurora, Rocky Point Quarry, and Castle Haynes Quarry. Does anyone have any updates on any of these sites; its been a few years since I've hunted them? Any other recommendations? Any "events" in the area over that time (I can extend my visit on either end if necessary)? Anyone available/interested in joining me on any of these hunts? (I'm also interested in rocks and minerals if that is your passion.) > > > >Regards, > > > >Tom Bowers > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 08:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jeff Reid) Date: Fri Oct 11 07:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina References: Message-ID: <3DA6D9C8.B4CFB674@ncmail.net> The N. C. Geological Survey has a number of publications and maps (geologic and topographic) that are of interest to fossil and mineral collectors. Some of these are: North Carolina Geological Survey 1612 Mail Service Center Raleigh, N. C. 27699-1612 Map and Publication Sales Office Telephone: 919.715.9718 Facsimile: 919.733.0900 E-mail address: Paula.Maynor@ncmail.net Internet: www.geology.enr.state.nc.us POPULAR PUBLICATIONS A Geologic Adventure Along the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina 1999, Carter, Merschat and Wilson………………………………………………………….$ 6.00 Gold in North Carolina 1993, P.A. Carpenter III……………………………………………………………………...$ 5.50 Fossil Collecting in North Carolina 1988, Carter, et al…………………………………………………………………………….$ 6.50 A Geologic Guide to North Carolina’s State Parks 1989, P.A. Carpenter III……………………………………………………….……………..$ 7.50 Metallic Mineral Deposits of the Carolina Slate Belt North Carolina 1976, P.A. Carpenter III……………………………………………………………………$ 10.00 This Dynamic Earth: The Story of Plate Tectonics 1996, Kious and Tilling, USGS……………………………………….………………..……$ 7.00 This Dynamic Planet Poster 1994, Scale 1:30,000,000 at the equator, color, 40x60 inches………………………...……..$ 7.00 Generalized Geologic Map of North Carolina 1991, Scale 1in.=33mi.; color, 11x 17 inches………………………………………………..$ 0.25 The Geology of the Carolinas 1991, Horton, Jr. and Zullo………………………………………………………………....$ 50.00 North Carolina: The Years Before Man, A Geologic History 1991, Beyer…………………………………………………………………………...…….$ 35.00 Publications are shipped via first class mail. Payment may be cash, check, money order or credit card- Master Card or Visa. Publications are subject to additional shipping and handling. All in-state sales are subject to 6.5% sales tax. The North Carolina Geological Survey has a complete list of publications available on our website. TOPOGRAPHIC MAP SALES The North Carolina Geological Survey stocks complete North Carolina coverage of 7.5-minute (1:24,000 scale), 30 x 60minute (1:100,000 scale), 1 x 2-degree (1:250,000 scale) and statewide (1:500,000 scale) topographic maps. We also carry selected posters and the shaded relief maps for the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. All in-state sales are subject to 6.5% state sales tax. A handling fee will be added to cover mailing and packaging cost. Maps are shipped via first class mail. Upon request, orders can be shipped via Federal Express or UPS at the customer’s expense. Payment may be cash, check, money order or credit card- Master Card or Visa. The North Carolina Geological Survey has complete state coverage of orthophoto quadrangles (aerial photographs that cover the same areas as the 7.5-minute topographic quadrangle sheets), including false infrared color orthophotos for the area around Wilmington. The NCGS also has a List of Publications on the geology and mineral resources of the state listed on our website. As an affiliate of the U.S. Geological Survey’s Earth Science Center, the NCGS can provide information on the availability of aerial photography coverage. An index showing map coverage is available. Maps may be ordered by telephone, through the mail, by fax or at the NCGS Sales Office located in the basement of the Archdale Building at 512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh. Parking is available for visitors to the Archdale Building Sales Office in the visitor’s deck on North Salisbury Street. The topographic map index is also on our website (see Maps and Aerial Photographs at http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/maps/ncgs_main_maps_page.html) Contact information: North Carolina Geological Survey Division of Land Resources Map and Publication Sales Office 1612 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 Telephone: 919.715.9718 Facsimile: 919.733.0900 E-mail address: Paula.Maynor@ncmail.net Internet: www.geology.enr.state.nc.us You can now shop online! Visit us at www.store.yahoo.net/nc-maps to find our online store where we have many of our most popular publications. THOMAS BOWERS wrote: > Dear List, > > On October 21st I'm heading to Raleigh, North Carolina to do some fossil collecting in the state. I'll be there through October 29th. I plan to hunt at Boron Clay Pit, Greenville, Aurora, Rocky Point Quarry, and Castle Haynes Quarry. Does anyone have any updates on any of these sites; its been a few years since I've hunted them? Any other recommendations? Any "events" in the area over that time (I can extend my visit on either end if necessary)? Anyone available/interested in joining me on any of these hunts? (I'm also interested in rocks and minerals if that is your passion.) > > Regards, > > Tom Bowers > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 08:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Oct 11 07:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old mineral terms and meanings References: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> <3DA6B66C.8000306@ptd.net> Message-ID: <001c01c27135$c8bb03e0$809d77d5@pandora.be> Hi Dennis, the Concise Oxford Dictionary (this Belgian's personal ever-running aid in communicating with you people on the Trans-Atlantic end of this connection) tells me: spar3 · n. a crystalline, easily cleavable, translucent or transparent mineral. - DERIVATIVES sparry adj. - ORIGIN C16: from Middle Low Ger. So feldspar fits the description in so far that it is NOT easily cleavable ;-))))) I think the term "spar" comes from the German "spat" (or the French "spath"). It is however, in origin, more commoly used for carbonates. Calcite in German (formerly) would be "Kalkspat", Smithsonite would be zinkspat (zinc & spat). Also other minerals are indicated with spar. The German "Schwerspat" means barite (schwer = heavy) It is miners "jargon" that dates from the earliest history of "bergwerk", mining. Other words like this are "blende" (schalenblende) which refers to metal ores that are light of color and sometimes translucent or "erz" (Fahlerz = tetraedrite, tennantite) for metallic ores. Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" To: Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Old mineral terms and meanings | | I am curious to know the original accurate or implied meaning of the | word "spar" and the possible associated meaning of the term "feldspar" .... | I know what feldspar is but ; always thought spar was a term for calcite | alone, and recently have been made aware that it more accurately refers | to both calcite and quartz. With this being the case, one might think | that spar was a term conceived before the use of the term feldspar, but | could be wrong. | Is it possible that spar originally meant any crystalline form of rock?? | Oh yes; and then there is the old term fluorspar which refers to | fluorite.. which might lend credence to my thinking that it originally | meant any crystalline rock... any thoughts?? | Dennis Buffenmyer | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 09:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Oct 11 08:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <2E580502.179957C4.02180873@aol.com> <3DA60051.4980CC3@earthlink.net> <001d01c27109$f09f20c0$809d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3DA6EAEB.948306E5@earthlink.net> Axel also. Yeah, not allergic are we? Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 09:46:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Oct 11 08:46:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <2E580502.179957C4.02180873@aol.com> <3DA60051.4980CC3@earthlink.net> <001d01c27109$f09f20c0$809d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA6EAEB.948306E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004801c2713e$5d666d60$809d77d5@pandora.be> Walt, contrary to eye of newt and warthog snot, mummy dust can be very irritating... As for the non-mummyfied fresh exemplar of Nefertiti and other historic/exotic beauties: no allergies there! A bashful blush perhaps, but no rash. As for the "on topic" issue: this can be related to the cosmetic use of minerals in which Nefertiti was an expert. In spite of what the Egyptian queen's name may suggest, the cosmetic use of silicones was not yet common practice. Axel (no longer grinning but turning slightly purple from laughing) | Axel | | also. Yeah, not allergic are we? | | Walt | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 10:51:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Oct 11 09:51:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Water glass References: <2E580502.179957C4.02180873@aol.com> <3DA60051.4980CC3@earthlink.net> <001d01c27109$f09f20c0$809d77d5@pandora.be> <3DA6EAEB.948306E5@earthlink.net> <004801c2713e$5d666d60$809d77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3DA7015C.E2463FAE@earthlink.net> We did have a go with the use of minerals for cosmetics. Wonder if we missed any. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 12:01:27 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Oct 11 11:01:27 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <000e01c27150$35e64140$77ca94d1@dmschmidt> Hi, If anyone could locate the following items for me, I would appreciate = it. Now, it is for a nice collection, so I don't want $1.00-5.00 = examples of these things. What I would like are good sized plates or = mass mortality specimens....somthing that I can spend the better part of = $100 on. For the ammonites, just big specimens, just no placenticeras. = Nothing sawn or polished. The items are what I need. The age is relatively important, but if I = can't find a Devonian specimen, a Silurian specimen may do. Please contact me with genus species info size info pirce inof if you can help photos would also be appreciated. See list below thanks Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- sponge from Ordovician brachiopod from Devonian fern from Carboniferous large ammonites (2-3 feet)=20 bivalve (other than pectin) from Cenozoic chain coral from Cenozoic --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 17:36:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Oct 11 16:36:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old mineral terms and meanings References: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> <3DA6B66C.8000306@ptd.net> Message-ID: <3DA76039.388C@Tomaszewski.net> Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > > I am curious to know the original accurate or implied meaning of the > word "spar" and the possible associated meaning of the term "feldspar" .... > I know what feldspar is but ; always thought spar was a term for calcite > alone, and recently have been made aware that it more accurately refers > to both calcite and quartz. With this being the case, one might think > that spar was a term conceived before the use of the term feldspar, but > could be wrong. > Is it possible that spar originally meant any crystalline form of rock?? > Oh yes; and then there is the old term fluorspar which refers to > fluorite.. which might lend credence to my thinking that it originally > meant any crystalline rock... any thoughts?? > Dennis Buffenmyer 'Spar' has come to mean just about any lustrous crystalline mineral (generally accepted); feldspar is the most common example used. It is a shortened form of 'sparstone', which is a derivitave of the old english word for gypsum, 'spaerstan'; it may have specifically identified the crystalline variety Satin Spar Gypsum (Selenite). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 17:53:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Oct 11 16:53:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards In-Reply-To: <20021010170137.BRVB6348.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc14> Message-ID: That's the case price, and it's also list price. I think glassware usually goes for maybe 40% of list. But lab supplies are darn expensive, I was looking at a set of certified calibration weights for our analytical balance and was stunned to see list prices up around $2500. Bryan > I have no idea what to do with this, nor for $816 will I ever find out. > > Paul, if this is a useful method, I will buy you even more beer > when you come . > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 20:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Oct 11 19:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava photos Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021011162040.02f0d780@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, Kreigh has been kind enough to post some of Bill's and my lava photos on his (non-commercial) website: http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/FieldTrips.shtml He also posted my reports that originally appeared on this list. Our photos are far from professional in quality, but they do give a little bit of the feel of what it's like to be there. Many thanks to Kreigh for donating his time and expertise. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 11 23:36:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Fri Oct 11 22:36:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Please assist Message-ID: <3DA7B556.45396FBF@cox.net> List, I received this message from one of my USFG Faceter group members. Perhaps some of you would be so kind as to make some suggestions to him. Thanks, Teresa > Subject: > tourmeline > Date: > Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:19:14 EDT > From: > Cutugem@aol.com > To: > tam2819@cox.net > > > > > Hi Teresa, I will be visiting in Santa Barbara for the week of 19 through the 29th of Oct. Where in san diego county would I go to scour for tourmeline. Do you also > know of anywhere near to S.B. I may be able to do some looking??? Dennis on the North Coast > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 12 08:28:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 12 07:28:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for specific gravity sink/float standards Message-ID: <1b8.7a863b4.2ad98b3c@aol.com> Having taught specific gravity methods including sink-float methods with heavy liquids, I've always felt reporting two decimals as "dicy" and three or more were fictional. The values reported in systematic mineralogies generally do not show more than two decimals except for computations of the theoretical density. Whenever I've edited books and articles, I've advised dropping the extra precision as both unnecessary and fictional. You can get what look like very precise values by carrying out a calculation to "extra" decimal places. BTW I have Curt Segeler's set of glasses he used for sink float tests. Would sell if I could find which drawer it's in. Van Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 12 08:31:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 12 07:31:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rocks & Minerals back issues wanted Message-ID: <121.1880ddbc.2ad98bf2@aol.com> Am also interested in recent back issues 1999-2002. Will pay $20 per year. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 12 10:24:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Oct 12 09:24:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barite with inclusions from China : request Message-ID: BlankDear Rockhound, Can you help me with the following question, please ? I worked on the identification of the golden needle-like crystals that occur in such dense clusters as inclusions in barite crystals, that the color goes from gold to nearly black. The distribution of the inclusions is zoned. A crystal cluster with crystals up to several cm has been on Richard Dales website http://www.dalerocks.com/index.htm, but I just checked and it's gone... accidentally I know where it went... :>)) After a lot of research we got eventually basic information on the locality : it was spelled as "Heng Nan, Hunan Province, China". It should very probably be "Hengyan, Hunan Province, China". Heng Shan is a mountain about 40 km north of Hengyan. Does anyone have more detailed information on a barite locality that could fit ? Name of the mine ? References ? Any other clues ? I will let you know the results of my analytical work at a later date. Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 12 11:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sat Oct 12 10:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barite with inclusions from China : request References: Message-ID: <3DA85F2C.8AE873A8@earthlink.net> RiK I have some barites from Hunan, shengyan area, and they are included with very yellow stibiconite. They are associated with stibiconite and sulfur as well. The inclusions might be stibiconite and stibnite in various degrees of becoming one or the other. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 12 13:51:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Sat Oct 12 12:51:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Cyryllic Madness Label Help Message-ID: <20021012195049.45644.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I saw how quick the list helped Don find the name of his specimen so I thought I'd throw a few out there. I also just bought a lot of Russian minerals while I was at the Denver Show. I figured out most of the labels but there are a few I still can't figure out. They are; Gizintherit Black in color? Khibiny, Kola, Russia Ioforterite Dark Brown Lovozero, Kola, Russia Veb(f?)erite tan color Porga, Ukraine Gidrotalkit Pale pink micaceous Zelenchovska, Kopi, Urals Gidroastrofillite Tan fibrous Khibiny, Kola, Russia Lodgillite on galena Ploskaja, Keivi, Kola, Russia I also have a location I can't solve. Glaucodot with erythrite Egyrin, Daskesan Thanks in advance. Regards, Stan ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 12 20:16:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 12 19:16:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading for North Carolina References: <3DA6D9C8.B4CFB674@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <003701c2725e$d91f61c0$349af7a5@peggy> Jeff The date of the Richmond Swap is Saturday November 9, 2002. At the meeting hall of Ridge Baptist Church, 1515 East Ridge Road, near Regency Square Mall and Douglas S. Freeman High School. Hours are 9am till 3pm admission is free Hope this helps, Kenny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 08:08:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Oct 13 07:08:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Cyryllic Madness Label Help References: <20021012195049.45644.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c272c0$d636d440$595204d0@jim> The second one is Yofortierite. Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.geocities.com/sauktown/ sauktown@adsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Perry To: drizzle rockhounds ; yahoo rockhounds ; egroups rocksandfossils ; e micros ; e minerals Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] More Cyryllic Madness Label Help > Hi All, > > I saw how quick the list helped Don find the name of > his specimen so I thought I'd throw a few out there. > I also just bought a lot of Russian minerals while I > was at the Denver Show. I figured out most of the > labels but there are a few I still can't figure out. > They are; > > Gizintherit Black in color? Khibiny, Kola, Russia > Ioforterite Dark Brown Lovozero, Kola, Russia > Veb(f?)erite tan color Porga, Ukraine > Gidrotalkit Pale pink micaceous Zelenchovska, Kopi, > Urals > Gidroastrofillite Tan fibrous Khibiny, Kola, Russia > Lodgillite on galena Ploskaja, Keivi, Kola, Russia > > I also have a location I can't solve. > Glaucodot with erythrite Egyrin, Daskesan > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > Stan > > ===== > Stan Perry > Our Gangue Minerals > www.emineralshow.com > Ebay seller ID rgangue > e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 08:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sun Oct 13 07:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Cyryllic Madness Label Help Message-ID: <001a01c272c5$4892cfe0$f3a34bd5@o8o3s6> Hi Stan, "Gidro" is a Russian dialect for "Hydro". :-) That solves a few problems. I got a Gercynite from Kola, beeing a Herzynite in the same way. The Lodgillite is great. You can send it to me if you want to get rid of it!! ;-) It is BTW Leadhillite. I studied Kola minerals for many years and Know about the lead mineralogy of Ploskaya, but I never managed to get by any samples. >Ioforterite Dark Brown Lovozero, Kola, Russia Yofortierite >Veb(f?)erite tan color Porga, Ukraine Weberite (is what it says, I'm not sure it occurs at Porga) >Gidrotalkit Pale pink micaceous Zelenchovska, Kopi, Hydrotalcite >Gidroastrofillite Tan fibrous Khibiny, Kola, Russia Hydroastrophyllite >Lodgillite on galena Ploskaja, Keivi, Kola, Russia Leadhillite >I also have a location I can't solve. >Glaucodot with erythrite Egyrin, Daskesan Dashkesan is a very famous locality in Azerbaijan. A little north-northeast of Zod. It is the type locality for Calciocopiapite and Dashkesanite (an amphibole). Dashkesan is a Co-Fe deposit, hence the Glaucodote/Erythrine. Iron occurs in great Magnetite octahedra. Again interesting specimen! Cheers, Maurice From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 17:27:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Sun Oct 13 16:27:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava photos References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021011162040.02f0d780@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3DAA013A.6EA6DDEE@earthlink.net> Kitty and Bill Great stuff from the lava fields. I have been there and walked on the lava while it is still warm/hot. Amazing place. I was up there about 68 or 69 when the volcano cut the chain of craters road with a flow and watched the fountains gush high. God it is amazing. Thanks for bringing back memories of what is there. I guess this is about the longest continuous eruption on earth at the moment. I have enjoyed your narratives. Thanks again. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 18:19:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Sun Oct 13 17:19:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heading to North Carolina Message-ID: Dear List, On October 21st I'm heading to Raleigh, North Carolina to do some fossil = collecting in the state. I'll be there through October 29th. I plan to = hunt at Boron Clay Pit, Greenville, Aurora, Rocky Point Quarry, and Castl= e Haynes Quarry. Does anyone have any updates on any of these sites; its= been a few years since I've hunted them? Any other recommendations? An= y "events" in the area over that time (I can extend my visit on either en= d if necessary)? Anyone available/interested in joining me on any of the= se hunts? (I'm also interested in rocks and minerals if that is your pas= sion.) Regards, Tom Bowers --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 18:19:12 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 13 17:19:12 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Knoxville, TN Show Message-ID: <20021012030644.IFGD663.fl-webmail02@fl-webmail02> On behalf of Knoxville Gems and Mineral Society, http://www.korrnet.org/kgms/ I would like to invite members of the list to attend KGMS's 12th Annual Gem, Mineral and Jewelry Show to be held October 18-20, in Knoxville, Tennessee. We will have over 20 dealers from around the US carrying a wide assortment of minerals, fossils, jewelry, tools and lapidary supplies, and related gift items. For a complete list of our dealers, please visit our 2002 show site at http://www.korrnet.org/kgms/show-02.htm The theme for the 2002 show: "TURQUOISE". If you would like to see what you missed at an earlier show, please visit http://www.korrnet.org/kgms/show99/ This page has several photos from prior shows! Show dates: October 18-20, 2002 Show hours: Friday, October 20 10:00am-6:00pm Saturday, October 21 10:00am-6:00pm Sunday, October 22 11:00am-5:00pm Admission: Adults $3.00 Weekend pass $5.00 Children under 12 Free ***** Print out and bring a copy of this listing for $1.00 OFF the daily admission! ***** Location: Kerbela Temple (865) 573-1901 315 Mimosa Avenue Knoxville, Tennessee We're only about 45 minutes from the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Pigeon Forge and Dollywood! The fall colors are on track to be well above average this year. We hope to see you in Knoxville for the show! Need more information? Feel free to contact me at: volgems@icx.net with any questions you may have. John Teague Knoxville Gem and Mineral Society Knoxville, Tennessee From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 18:19:15 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Art Berggreen) Date: Sun Oct 13 17:19:15 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Please assist References: <3DA7B556.45396FBF@cox.net> Message-ID: <3DA9F8DD.E99B50A9@berggreen.org.> TAM wrote: > > Hi Teresa, I will be visiting in Santa Barbara for the week of 19 through the 29th of Oct. Where in san diego county would I go to scour for tourmeline. Do you also > > know of anywhere near to S.B. I may be able to do some looking??? Dennis on the North Coast Sorry, there isn't much chance for finding facetable material around Santa Barbara (at least in the ground). Most of the geology around here is marine sediments and recent alluvium. I assume Theresa gave you info about the Himalaya tourmaline mine and their fee digs. I've also heard about a new fee dig at the Ocean View Mine in Pala. Art From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 13 22:17:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 13 21:17:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - Website Updates Message-ID: <121.18978bab.2adb9f07@aol.com> Hi! The "Reverse Auction" idea has been going well. I have now updated "Reverse Auction Gallery #2" with some "premium" specimens, most all over several hundred dollars in retail price, many over one thousand dollars. This auction will only go to the 60% discount level. I will continue updating the other "Reverse Auction" galleries as well. I have also updated the "What's New" galleries with some very good specimens. I hope that you enjoy looking over the new offerings and find a "bargain" or two in the process! Thanks! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 http://www.danweinrich.com 314-378-5567 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 14 11:39:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Oct 14 10:39:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA-Rocks list??? Message-ID: I subscribed to this list and have tried three times to get a question posted to it. Does anyone on this list have any idea how to get something posted to the LA-Rocks list? Thanks. Henry Barwood From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 14 12:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Mon Oct 14 11:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA-Rocks list??? References: Message-ID: <3DAB0FD7.F5C3FAF3@cox.net> Henry, Brad Smith is list owner of LA-Rocks. I will forward your message on to him. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 14 21:18:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Mon Oct 14 20:18:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA-Rocks list??? References: Message-ID: <3DAB88E1.8020307@earthlink.net> Hello Henry, Part of this is guesswork so give me some latitude. I believe that Brad (the moderator) has the list place new people on "moderated" status until he sees that you are not a spammer. Then he switches you to "unmoderated" status. Right now Brad is out of town. You may be (temporarily) on "moderated" status. I do not remember when exactly he is returning. If you want, you can email me your posting. I will post it for you. Peace, dave Henry Barwood wrote: >I subscribed to this list and have tried three times to get a question >posted to it. Does anyone on this list have any idea how to get something >posted to the LA-Rocks list? Thanks. > >Henry Barwood > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 15 10:38:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Keim) Date: Tue Oct 15 09:38:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD:Reverse auction at 50% and dropping Message-ID: Hi List, I have a reverse Auction going at Marin Mineral that is currently at 50% off and dropping an additional 10% every day. Over 100 minerals offered, check them out at www.marinmineral.com Thanks! Mike Keim The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Its contents (including any attachments) are confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient you must not use, disclose, disseminate, copy or print its contents. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete and destroy the message. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 15 10:39:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Tue Oct 15 09:39:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Cyryllic Madness Label Help Message-ID: Hi Stan, I've been away from e-mail for a few days, so you might already have gotten answers on these, but here are three of them: >Ioforterite Dark Brown Lovozero, Kola, Russia [= Yofortierite] >Gidrotalkit Pale pink micaceous Zelenchovska, Kopi, Urals [= Hydrotalcite] >Gidroastrofillite Tan fibrous Khibiny, Kola, Russia [= Hydroastrophyllite] Cheers- Earl Verbeek _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 15 23:36:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 15 22:36:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Non Oil Cutting Lubricants ?'s Message-ID: Hello All I am trying to find any information, including personal experiences, with NON - OIL based saw cutting lubricants. Basically, Water Soluble lubricants.... I want to use the lubricant in an older model 18 inch Lortone saw, which was cutting with an almag type oil in the tub.... I have heard about "Lube Cool" and the advertisers say it works well. But does it really work well ? It has rust (inhibitors) but NOT rust proofing characteristics, like an oil lubricant has..... The $ price and blade life is not a major concern. My first concern is to have a non toxic, biodegradable type lubricant. My other concerns are to have NO CLEANUP of the rock slabs, except a quick rinse in water and to have no or low rusting. Also to have the blade cut (reasonably) well, speed wise..... Can the Lube Cool and other, NON OIL saw blade lubricants, be used 100% straight, with NO WATER at all ?......This is where personal experience in using Lube Cool with larger saw blades will be appreciated.... I assume using Water Type Lubricants, 100 % straight, could result in better cutting and may have less to no rusting of any metal parts, including the blade itself ?? Thank you very much RnL From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 16 08:42:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 16 07:42:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LandSat stuff References: Message-ID: <3DAD7A7F.D1B2628F@earthlink.net> Having been at Vandenberg for the launch of the first ERTS, later to be called LandSat, platform I have great affinity for the program. Having used the LandSat images to do mineral exploration, I have found them to be fascinating as well as useful. Here is a site that you may find interesting Beautiful stuff. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 16 11:14:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Oct 16 10:14:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LandSat stuff In-Reply-To: <3DAD7A7F.D1B2628F@earthlink.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021016071819.02c35da0@mail.aloha.net> At 04:41 AM 10/16/2002, you wrote: >.....Here is a site that you may find >interesting > >Beautiful stuff. > > > > Wow!! Walt, those pictures are truly beautiful and fascinating! I assume they are infrared images that have had false color added. Some are worthy of being enlarged and framed! Many thanks for the tip. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 16 12:12:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Oct 16 11:12:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava photos In-Reply-To: <3DAA013A.6EA6DDEE@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021011162040.02f0d780@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021016075053.02ccf910@mail.aloha.net> At 01:26 PM 10/13/2002, you wrote: >Kitty and Bill > > >Great stuff from the lava fields. I have been there and walked on the >lava while it is still warm/hot. Amazing place. I was up there about >68 or 69 when the volcano cut the chain of craters road with a flow and >watched the fountains gush high. God it is amazing. Thanks for >bringing back memories of what is there. I guess this is about the >longest continuous eruption on earth at the moment. I have enjoyed your >narratives. > >Thanks again. > >Walt Walt and all, A woman's body was found yesterday near the lava viewing spot we went to. No autopsy report yet on cause of death. This brings to 7 the number of people who have died while viewing lava since this eruption began in January 1983. I believe 5 of those deaths were directly caused by the lava (fumes, a shelf breaking off, etc.). Some involved people going past marked barriers or trails. Last Friday I drove down there with a friend and there were about 60 cars, vans and busses parked along the road and a solid stream of tourists walking the trail to the current activity. So I guess 7 fatalities is small considering the volume of visitors over nearly 20 years. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 16 13:15:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 16 12:15:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LandSat stuff References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021016071819.02c35da0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3DADBA9B.79AF5EA4@earthlink.net> Most are combined channel photos, using various combinations. False color infrared is, of course, our most common view. However, some of these may combine other channels. You can click on the thumbnail to make a large photo suitable for using as a screensaver. They are wonderful and there is a fantastic number available. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 16 19:55:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Oct 16 18:55:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Order of Insects Announced Message-ID: <3DAE1847.6D00@Tomaszewski.net> The November issue of 'Scientific American' announces a new order of insects has been discovered (in 2001) and announced (in April). Mantophasmatodea, commonly called Gladiators, currently contains three known living and two extinct species. Think of a cross between a grasshopper, a walkingstick, and a mantis -- and yes, they are carnivorous. It was first discovered as fossils in Baltic Amber. If you collect fossil bugs there is a chance you could have the honor of naming a new species. Have fun checking thru your collection! Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 15:26:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu Oct 17 14:26:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: update @ Element 51 References: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c27623$f3233920$8806efd1@oemcomputer> A new section has been added to the site, showcasing the best specimens I have in stock, check them out at http://www.element51.com/best.htm . Also, remember that the site is updated every Friday, this week I've posted Russian & Australian crocoite and some Congo carrollites, plus there's lots of other stuff still available from previous weeks: http://www.element51.com/update.june21.htm . Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr tjokela@execulink.com http://www.element51.com http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 15:44:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Thu Oct 17 14:44:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Wanda Brownlee - or anyone else who knows these sites Message-ID: Dear Wanda, =20 On Jan. 9th in an email message to rocksandfossils you mentioned some are= as around Raleigh to find minerals. They included (1) Nutbush Creek with= a graphite schist location, (2) an outcrop with molybdenite, (3) an acti= nolite deposit, (4) a garnet mica schist site, (5) a talc site, and (6) a= topaz collecting site. I'm going to be in Raleigh next week (beginning = Monday). Could you please send me more specific directions on where I mi= ght find these sites (I leave early this coming Monday morning); I'd love= to do some good mineral hunting while there. Thanks in advance, Tom Bowers Austin, Texas --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 16:51:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Thu Oct 17 15:51:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LandSat stuff In-Reply-To: <3DADBA9B.79AF5EA4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dr. Walter S. Bowser2002.10.16. 12:14geologo@earthlink.net You can click on the thumbnail to make a large photo suitable for using as a screensaver. They are wonderful and there is a fantastic number available. Walt ________________________________________________________ Are there more somewhere else ? Is there a page with information about the objects shown? While most are selfexplanatory, I have no idea where and what the "Richat Structure" is. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 17:06:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Oct 17 16:06:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LandSat stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Go to google and type in "richat structure", I did. It's an eroded granite dome structure in Africa said to be a favorite of astronauts. Bryan _______________________________________________________ > > Are there more somewhere else ? > Is there a page with information about the objects shown? > While most are selfexplanatory, I have no idea where and what > the "Richat Structure" is. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 19:07:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Thu Oct 17 18:07:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] LandSat stuff References: Message-ID: <3DAF5E81.5AAC977F@earthlink.net> The structure you refer to is the concentric structure of a composite volcanic cone which has been eroded. Hilmar Krocke wrote: Are there more somewhere else ? > Is there a page with information about the objects shown? > While most are selfexplanatory, I have no idea where and what > the "Richat Structure" is. > > Hilmar > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 19:50:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ed Tindell) Date: Thu Oct 17 18:50:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Semi-Annual Texas Rock & Fossil Swap, Sunday, 11/17/02 Message-ID: <01C273CF.11F3A580.ed-tindell@sprynet.com> All - The next Semi-Annual Texas Rock & Fossil Swap will be held on: Date: Sunday, November 17, 2002 Time: 11AM-5PM Place: HGMS Club House (see directions below) Just like the last swap meet anyone with an interest in rock hounding and the lapidary arts may attend and display, swap or sell their specimens or handy work. I make no distinction between collectors and commercial vendors - both are welcome. The event is totally free - no fees of any kind, no obligations for donations, et cetera. I just want everybody to get together and relax with their friends and enjoy the hobby, as one commenter said last time, "Just like we used to do it!" It will be a tail gate affair meaning if you don't bring it with you it's not there. The HGMS clubhouse does have bathrooms and water. We can grill burgers and hot dogs again too. With four weeks to go we need to get the word out and draw people to the swap. If you plan on coming as a swapper let me know so I have a vague idea of who to expect. So please let me know what you want to do and I will try my best to accomodate you, as allways. Thanks, Ed Tindell 2002 CLGMS Field Trip/Group Order/Swap Meet Coordinator a.k.a. "The Official Cat Herder" Directions to the HGMS Clubhouse: The HGMS clubhouse is in the northwest corner of the Beltway 8 (Sam Houston Toll road) and Highway 59 (Southwest Freeway) about 10 miles southwest of Houston, Texas. The address is 10805 Brooklet, Houston, Tx 77099, on the northeast corner of Rockley and Brooklet. Coming south on Beltway 8, I exit at the last frontage road exit before the toll road exit onto Hwy 59. Going down a few blocks, I turn right onto Roark Road and then Rockley is the first turn on the right. The clubhouse is on my right after going down Rockley for one block. Going southwest on Hwy 59, I exit either on the frontage road just before coming up on the Toll road exit, or at the Murphy road exit almost under the large highway interchange. Then I turn right on Stanclift off the frontage road. Then make the first right onto Brooklet. The clubhouse is on my right after about three blocks on Brooklet. Most other directions (and taking the smaller streets) get you to either the corner of Bissonnet & Wilcrest ... or West Bellfort & Wilcrest. Wilcrest is a north-south street and Rockley is an east-west street north of West Bellfort and south of Bissonnet. The clubhouse is several blocks east of Wilcrest on the left side of Rockley. There is a large ROCK on the corner of Wilcrest and Rockley. There is a phone in the clubhouse, but the cell phone (713) 478-4555 would be more helpful if you get lost. Skeptics click here: http://ed-tindell.home.sprynet.com/ert.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 19:50:13 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 17 18:50:13 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Knoxville, TN show - Volunteer Gems Message-ID: <20021015115229.IXDA4223.fl-webmail01@fl-webmail01> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Knoxville, TN show this weekend. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! (Keith Hayes, eat your heart out! Keith really loves my cloths but would never admit it!) Dates: Friday-Sunday, October 18-20, 2002. Hours: Friday - 10:00 am - 6:00 pm Saturday - 10:00 am - 6:00 pm Sunday - 11:00 noon - 5:00 pm Location: Kerbela Temple 315 Mimosa Ave, Knoxville, TN Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my addiction with other dealers! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 19:50:17 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kevin gile) Date: Thu Oct 17 18:50:17 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] New member here In-Reply-To: <3DAE1847.6D00@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20021017024149.63245.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> Colorado guy just moved to Missouri. No gold to find here lol. Any input on what and where to do some fun geology here in missouri? I bought a farm in central missouri. Does anyone know about Mozarkite? Supposed to have a hardness 1 point less than diamonds. Anyone have any images of it? Any local people here for digging buddies? Kevin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 17 21:09:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Thu Oct 17 20:09:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] New member here In-Reply-To: <20021017024149.63245.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021018030853.72276.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, Welcome to the list and Missouri. There are several members on the list from Missouri mostly from St. Louis (as I am). We have a big show the first weekend of November. I posted the details to the list a couple of weeks ago but i can send them to you if you want. The mozarkite is pink to reddish chert and I think the hardness is similar to quartz near 7. It is mostly found in the Lincoln, Missouri area. I think you can dig at the Harms Farm but I've never been there. I collect primarily mineral specimens myself. Right now the hot spot is the road construction going on in the land of geodes. They are rerouting or widening the highway right near Hannibal and many a few locals are going almost every weekend. I hope to take my daughters this weekend with our club. Let me know if you plan to come to St. Louis. Cheers, Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals --- kevin gile wrote: > > Colorado guy just moved to Missouri. No gold to find > here lol. Any input on what and where to do some fun > geology here in missouri? I bought a farm in central > missouri. > Does anyone know about Mozarkite? Supposed to have a > hardness 1 point less than diamonds. Anyone have any > images of it? Any local people here for digging > buddies? > Kevin > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 04:45:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Dicks) Date: Fri Oct 18 03:45:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Wanda Brownlee - or anyone else who knows these sites Message-ID: >>> "THOMAS BOWERS" 10/17/02 05:43PM >>> Dear Wanda, On Jan. 9th in an email message to rocksandfossils you mentioned some areas around Raleigh to find minerals. They included (1) Nutbush Creek with a graphite schist location, (2) an outcrop with molybdenite, (3) an actinolite deposit, (4) a garnet mica schist site, (5) a talc site, and (6) a topaz collecting site. I'm going to be in Raleigh next week (beginning Monday). Could you please send me more specific directions on where I might find these sites (I leave early this coming Monday morning); I'd love to do some good mineral hunting while there. Thanks in advance, Tom Bowers Austin, Texas --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ________________________________________________- Hi Thomas: I,m looking for the subscription information for "rocksandfossils". Do you have the contact information? Thank You _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Bill Dicks MESTA Board Member From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 08:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 18 07:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas and feldspars Message-ID: Dear Lanny, Thanks for the additional info about micas. I should have said that the yellow shades and green shades of the common muscovites are not very different from the normal appearance of silvery white muscovite. Silvery muscovite and yellow muscovite might not be distinguished by the casual collector. The green muscovite I was talking about would also have passed unnoticed by the casual collector. Of course, there are bright green chromian micas which look startlingly different. I hadn't meant to include all the rare exceptions. The rules of thumb are really for the beginner who is beginning to think about identifying micas and how to go about settling on a field identification. The micas are relatively "well behaved" and the particular geological occurrence would alert the more initiated to think about exceptions. For example, despite the abundance of sodium in environments where micas occur, paragonite is rare, world-wide, although there is a "mountain of it" in Gassetts, Vermont. Still the local abundance doesn't really affect the majority of cases. Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 09:05:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser) Date: Fri Oct 18 08:05:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas and feldspars References: Message-ID: <3DB022BD.10BE5361@earthlink.net> Van Isn't Fuchsite one of the green Chrome micas? I found some deep green sheets about an inch thich in a pegmatite near Ramona, CA. I had always thought of it as Fuchsite, but perhaps it was not. Walt From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 15:41:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM) Date: Fri Oct 18 14:41:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rocks on the Moon Message-ID: <3DB08096.64341C02@cox.net> For those intrested here is an interesting link I received this morning. Teresa > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 15:46:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Oct 18 14:46:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle rocks? Message-ID: <001001c276ef$df6cb560$47b2950c@mel> We'll be in Seattle around Thanksgiving. Are there any field trips for a cutter and polisher around up to1 or 1/12 days? How about special rock shops? Thanks Mel Albright Call or hug someone you love today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 15:54:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Oct 18 14:54:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus Message-ID: <000201c276f1$087e8360$8bb2950c@mel> I just got a virus with the source listed as "MyFuelWatch" The attachment is the virus and has a .scr end. Norton caught it. Mel Albright Call or hug someone you love today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 16:00:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Oct 18 15:00:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle rocks In-Reply-To: <001001c276ef$df6cb560$47b2950c@mel> Message-ID: If you've got the cash, one of Bob Jackson's Spruce Creek trips for quartz/pyrite or scepters is great. However, you might be fighting the snow line by then..... Lot of the good spots near Seattle are in the Cascades, and you're up against a weather window. Ron Winter would be a good contact; his website at www.stonetrails.com has links to some of the more popular Washington rockhounding spots. A drive up to Bellingham, to get Eocene-age palm fronds from the Chuckanut Formation is always fun, too. Cheers! Aaron > We'll be in Seattle around Thanksgiving. Are there any field trips for a > cutter and polisher around up to1 or 1/12 days? > How about special rock shops? > > Thanks > > Mel Albright > > Call or hug someone you love today! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 16:00:12 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (LAWRENCE L. DEE) Date: Fri Oct 18 15:00:12 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus References: <000201c276f1$087e8360$8bb2950c@mel> Message-ID: <000e01c276f2$032deda0$c870fa43@n7y7z7> Mel, same thing happened to me and Norton caught it. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 16:20:02 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo) Date: Fri Oct 18 15:20:02 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus Message-ID: You can no longer accuse the sender. Klez.H, which is the most prevalent (and fits this minute description) virus today fakes the sender. So, it could be anyone *but* the listed sender. Jimmy On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:52:35 -0500 Mel Albright wrote: > I just got a virus with the source listed as > "MyFuelWatch" The attachment is > the virus and has a .scr end. Norton caught it. > > > Mel Albright > > Call or hug someone you love today! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 18 17:33:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Oct 18 16:33:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus References: Message-ID: <3DB099F0.3A12@Tomaszewski.net> It could also be BugBear.A, which also fakes the sender address. If the message size is around 120K it is probably KLEZ, if around 65K it is probably BugBear. Kreigh Chengi Kuo wrote: > > You can no longer accuse the sender. Klez.H, which is the most prevalent (and > fits this minute description) virus today fakes the sender. So, it could be > anyone *but* the listed sender. > > Jimmy > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:52:35 -0500 Mel Albright wrote: > > > I just got a virus with the source listed as > > "MyFuelWatch" The attachment is > > the virus and has a .scr end. Norton caught it. > > > > > > Mel Albright > > > > Call or hug someone you love today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 19 04:44:01 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 19 03:44:01 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Roland Bounds Message-ID: <151.161a29db.2ae29149@aol.com> I am saddened to report that Roland Bounds passed away last night at Christiana Hospital (Delaware) from an infection. Roland was a mineral collector and mineral dealer (Broken Back Minerals) operating in the Middle Atlantic area. Those who knew him appreciated his quick wit and eagerness to help others with his vast knowledge of geology and minerals. Roland worked for the Delaware Geological Survey and was active in clubs in Delaware and Pennsylvania. At this point funeral arrangements have not been made. We're gonna miss him. Gene Hartstein From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 19 04:45:00 2002 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 19 03:45:00 2002 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus Message-ID: <12c.1956ebf2.2ae2916a@aol.com> 
I got the same virus. Deleted the message and file before downloading. I 
always verify attachments and never accept an scr download.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 06:46:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H)
Date: Sat Oct 19 05:46:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] Roland Bounds
References: <151.161a29db.2ae29149@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DB15488.C26355AB@att.net>

I am shocked and saddened.  I heard only Thursday night that he had his
leg amputated in order to save his life; I suppose it was too late.  I
only met him a few times, but he impressed me as one of the few rare
people who really care about minerals and mineralogy, who looked beyond
his own existence to bring something to the world. I hope that the
relevant publications--R&G, R&M, MinRec, etc.--carry the appropriate
memorials.  His legacy is important.

As I write this, I remember why his death made me shudder.  Not just
because we were about the same age; but I just remembered he did me a
favor, through a third party request, and I never got to thank him in
person.  I said to myself, "Oh I'll see him at one of Bob's home shows,"
where he was always a fixture, sitting in the kitchen telling tales and
offering advice.  Now that will never happen.  Every moment counts.

Don


fossilnut@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am saddened to report that Roland Bounds passed away last night at
> Christiana Hospital (Delaware) from an infection. Roland was a mineral
> collector and mineral dealer (Broken Back Minerals) operating in the Middle
> Atlantic area. Those who knew him appreciated his quick wit and eagerness to
> help others with his vast knowledge of geology and minerals. Roland worked
> for the Delaware Geological Survey and was active in clubs in Delaware and
> Pennsylvania.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 07:46:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Sat Oct 19 06:46:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas  and fe...
Message-ID: 

Oh yes. fuchsite is a green chromian muscovite. 

Van

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 07:48:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Sat Oct 19 06:48:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas  and fe...
Message-ID: <105.1dc93e58.2ae2bc6e@aol.com>

Oops. Meant to add that I'm not sure if the locality you mention is a 
fuchsite one or not. Maybe someone can shed light on the locality you 
mention?

Van

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 12:13:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser)
Date: Sat Oct 19 11:13:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas
 and fe...
References: 
Message-ID: <3DB1A07D.F094C427@earthlink.net>

Thanks , Van.

How would we tell Fuchsite from just something which happens to be green
mica?

Walt


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 12:15:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser)
Date: Sat Oct 19 11:15:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas
 and fe...
References: <105.1dc93e58.2ae2bc6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DB1A0EB.D2258435@earthlink.net>

Van,

I don't know if it is a known locality for Fuchsite or not.  It is in
Ramona, CA and in the Lake Perris area.  There are numerous pegmatites
which are related to the northern San Diego County pegmatites which
produce so much tourmaline.

Walt


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 16:26:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee)
Date: Sat Oct 19 15:26:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Roland Bounds
References: <151.161a29db.2ae29149@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c277be$5f0d8b90$0f3a88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi>

My, and my club members: Sincere condoleances,
Best Rgds,
Paul Van hee

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> I am saddened to report that Roland Bounds passed away last night at
> Christiana Hospital (Delaware) from an infection. Roland was a mineral
> collector and mineral dealer (Broken Back Minerals) operating in the
Middle
> Atlantic area. Those who knew him appreciated his quick wit and eagerness
to
> help others with his vast knowledge of geology and minerals. Roland worked
> for the Delaware Geological Survey and was active in clubs in Delaware and
> Pennsylvania. At this point funeral arrangements have not been made. We're
> gonna miss him.
>
> Gene Hartstein
> _______________________________________________
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 18:15:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Sat Oct 19 17:15:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
In-Reply-To: <000201c276f1$087e8360$8bb2950c@mel>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021019142114.0231dc10@mail.aloha.net>

At 11:52 AM 10/18/2002, you wrote:

>I just got a virus with the source listed as "MyFuelWatch" The attachment is
>the virus and has a .scr end. Norton caught it.
>
>
>Mel Albright
>
>Call or hug someone you love today!



We got the same one, and I believe it was grisoft that caught it.  Maybe we 
should hug our anitvirus programs!

Aloha, Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 18:19:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Sat Oct 19 17:19:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
In-Reply-To: <3DB099F0.3A12@Tomaszewski.net>
References: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021019142725.02320c50@mail.aloha.net>

At 01:40 PM 10/18/2002, you wrote:

>It could also be BugBear.A, which also fakes the sender address. If the
>message size is around 120K it is probably KLEZ, if around 65K it is
>probably BugBear.
>
>Kreigh

The message that informed me that the "MyFuelWatch" message had a virus in 
attachment said it was BugBear.
Kitty


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 19 18:56:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer)
Date: Sat Oct 19 17:56:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021019142725.02320c50@mail.aloha.net>
Message-ID: 

If you are on IE 6 you should be immune to Bugbear

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
> [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill
> Heacox
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 19:29
> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virus
> 
> 
> At 01:40 PM 10/18/2002, you wrote:
> 
> >It could also be BugBear.A, which also fakes the sender address. If the
> >message size is around 120K it is probably KLEZ, if around 65K it is
> >probably BugBear.
> >
> >Kreigh
> 
> The message that informed me that the "MyFuelWatch" message had a 
> virus in 
> attachment said it was BugBear.
> Kitty
> 
> 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002
> 
> 
> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> multipart/mixed
>   text/plain (text body -- kept)
>   text/plain (text body -- kept)
> ---
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 09:08:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Sun Oct 20 08:08:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
References:  <5.1.0.14.0.20021019142725.02320c50@mail.aloha.net>
Message-ID: <006101c2784b$8f985280$bf9c77d5@pandora.be>

Someboby has been at it again, that much is clear.
Our MKA-discussion list has also been hit.
In the past few days I received:
 W32.YAHA.F@mm virus 14 times
W32.magistr.39921@mm virus 4 times
W32.badtrans@mm.enc 4 times
W32.Nimda.A@mm(html) 5 times.

It's a good thing I update my Norton daily.



Axel Emmermann
Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
Home : Lobbesplein 12
            B-2640 Mortsel
            Belgium
Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
E-mail:
axel.emmermann@pandora.be
Visit our homepage:
http://www.minerant.org/index.html
Bezoek onze web-site:
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
My own web-site:
http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virus


| At 01:40 PM 10/18/2002, you wrote:
|
| >It could also be BugBear.A, which also fakes the sender address. If the
| >message size is around 120K it is probably KLEZ, if around 65K it is
| >probably BugBear.
| >
| >Kreigh
|
| The message that informed me that the "MyFuelWatch" message had a virus in
| attachment said it was BugBear.
| Kitty
|
|
| ---
| Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002
|
|
| --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
| multipart/mixed
|   text/plain (text body -- kept)
|   text/plain (text body -- kept)
| ---
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 11:53:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm)
Date: Sun Oct 20 10:53:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
References:  <5.1.0.14.0.20021019142725.02320c50@mail.aloha.net> <006101c2784b$8f985280$bf9c77d5@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <007001c2785f$7841ce40$101fbed8@powertech.net>


> Someboby has been at it again, that much is clear.
> Our MKA-discussion list has also been hit.
> In the past few days I received:
>  W32.YAHA.F@mm virus 14 times
> W32.magistr.39921@mm virus 4 times
> W32.badtrans@mm.enc 4 times
> W32.Nimda.A@mm(html) 5 times.
>
> It's a good thing I update my Norton daily.

One other suggestion here -- check with your ISP.
Mine has a service, for only a buck a month, that virus-checks all your mail
before sending it on to you. If they find a message with one, they
quarantine it and let you know. And then you can delete it. I am delighted
with mine. I first got onto it when (for the first time) I got a message
with a virus that crashed my computer when the cursor got onto it (couldn't
even delete it!). Not an attachment.
Perhaps your ISP has a similar service. It's certainlhy worth checking.

Margaret
>
>
>
> Axel Emmermann
> Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
> Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
> Home : Lobbesplein 12
>             B-2640 Mortsel
>             Belgium
> Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
> E-mail:
> axel.emmermann@pandora.be
> Visit our homepage:
> http://www.minerant.org/index.html
> Bezoek onze web-site:
> http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
> My own web-site:
> http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virus
>
>
> | At 01:40 PM 10/18/2002, you wrote:
> |
> | >It could also be BugBear.A, which also fakes the sender address. If the
> | >message size is around 120K it is probably KLEZ, if around 65K it is
> | >probably BugBear.
> | >
> | >Kreigh
> |
> | The message that informed me that the "MyFuelWatch" message had a virus
in
> | attachment said it was BugBear.
> | Kitty
> |
> |
> | ---
> | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> | Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> | Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002
> |
> |
> | --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> | multipart/mixed
> |   text/plain (text body -- kept)
> |   text/plain (text body -- kept)
> | ---
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 12:24:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer)
Date: Sun Oct 20 11:24:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
In-Reply-To: <006101c2784b$8f985280$bf9c77d5@pandora.be>
Message-ID: 

I was under the impression that Norton aka Symantec only updates the
antivirus definition file once a week on Wednesday, unless there is a major
outbreak of some new threat.

Bryan

> It's a good thing I update my Norton daily.
>
>



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 14:09:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin)
Date: Sun Oct 20 13:09:01 2002
Subject: OT [Rockhounds] Virus
References: 
Message-ID: <3DB30D27.90503@earthlink.net>

You are correct.  The newest Norton checks automatically whenever one 
connects to the net.  It only automaticaqlly updates the signature file. 
 If you want the other updates, you still need manyally choose to update.

Peace,
dave

J Bryan Kramer wrote:

>I was under the impression that Norton aka Symantec only updates the
>antivirus definition file once a week on Wednesday, unless there is a major
>outbreak of some new threat.
>
>Bryan
>
>>It's a good thing I update my Norton daily.
>>
>>
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 14:51:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin)
Date: Sun Oct 20 13:51:00 2002
Subject: OT [Rockhounds] Virus
References:  <3DB30D27.90503@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3DB31722.5000105@earthlink.net>


Dave Guin wrote:

> You are correct.  The newest Norton checks automatically whenever one 
> connects to the net.  It only automaticaqlly updates the signature 
> file. If you want the other updates, you still need manyally choose to 
> update.

And I need to keep my spell checker turned on.  <>

Peace,
dave


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 16:21:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright)
Date: Sun Oct 20 15:21:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
Message-ID: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel>

Norton just caught another virus - message with no subject - source supposed
to be svg220b at hotmail
name - bgcolor.exe

Mel Albright

Call or hug someone you love today!





From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 16:31:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox)
Date: Sun Oct 20 15:31:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
In-Reply-To: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel>
Message-ID: 

With all due respect, I think we've beat the virus thread to death 
already.  Back to rocks, please.

Oh, and unless drizzle or I really screw up, you shouldn't receive a virus 
from this list directly.  Drizzle checks incoming and outgoing for virii, 
and the list manager software drops attachments altogether.  Now, for 
certain virii that manipulate Outlook's address book, it may LOOK like it 
came from the list.  But it probably came from an infected list member, 
who got it from somewhere else.

Thanks,

Aaron Fox
Rockhounds Admin



> Norton just caught another virus - message with no subject - source supposed
> to be svg220b at hotmail
> name - bgcolor.exe
> 
> Mel Albright
> 
> Call or hug someone you love today!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 18:48:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David and Barbara Fenstermacher)
Date: Sun Oct 20 17:48:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
In-Reply-To: 
References: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021020205110.009faa70@mindspring.com>

My computer is currently in the shop getting "cleaned up."
Hopefully we will be good as new after files are reloaded, etc.and e-mail 
avenue is cleared up.
I have a feeling this is only "the tip of the iceberg" for some of the 
innovative worms that are out that to feed into the system.
Barb



At 03:30 PM 10/20/02 -0700, you wrote:
>With all due respect, I think we've beat the virus thread to death
>already.  Back to rocks, please.
>
>Oh, and unless drizzle or I really screw up, you shouldn't receive a virus
>from this list directly.  Drizzle checks incoming and outgoing for virii,
>and the list manager software drops attachments altogether.  Now, for
>certain virii that manipulate Outlook's address book, it may LOOK like it
>came from the list.  But it probably came from an infected list member,
>who got it from somewhere else.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Aaron Fox
>Rockhounds Admin
>
>
>
> > Norton just caught another virus - message with no subject - source 
> supposed
> > to be svg220b at hotmail
> > name - bgcolor.exe
> >
> > Mel Albright
> >
> > Call or hug someone you love today!
> >
> >
> >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 19:52:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski)
Date: Sun Oct 20 18:52:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
References: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel>
Message-ID: <3DB35D99.29F5@Tomaszewski.net>

Mel Albright wrote:
> 
> Norton just caught another virus - message with no subject - source supposed
> to be svg220b at hotmail
> name - bgcolor.exe
> 
> Mel Albright
> 
> Call or hug someone you love today!

Its probably BugBear or KLEZ. Both forge the TO and FROM addresses so
the only thing you can count on is that the FROM address is not the
source.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 21:47:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser)
Date: Sun Oct 20 20:47:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
References: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel> <3DB35D99.29F5@Tomaszewski.net>
Message-ID: <3DB3789C.25199689@earthlink.net>

Been getting a lot of these no message things. Not a thing but a
legitimate address and empty message. What the heck are they?

Walt


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 22:16:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo)
Date: Sun Oct 20 21:16:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
Message-ID: 

Bugbear on a system not affected by its exploit.  (For instance, webmail.)

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:46:36 -0600 "Dr. Walter S. Bowser"
 wrote:

> Been getting a lot of these no message things.
> Not a thing but a
> legitimate address and empty message. What the
> heck are they?
> 
> Walt
> 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 20 22:22:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski)
Date: Sun Oct 20 21:22:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
References: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel> <3DB35D99.29F5@Tomaszewski.net> <3DB3789C.25199689@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3DB380B0.160C@Tomaszewski.net>

Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote:
> 
> Been getting a lot of these no message things. Not a thing but a
> legitimate address and empty message. What the heck are they?
> 
> Walt
> 
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The reasonably well known KLEZ virus/worm has been replaced by the
BugBear.A virus/worm in the past few weeks, but both are still rampant.
Since you are on Macintosh you don't see either of these stealth viri
(and you are immune to them). Both can produce a blank message, but
BugBear is more likely to. Both exhibit forged/harvested TO and FROM
addresses -- the only thing you can count on is that the claimed FROM
address is not the sender.

BTW, KLEZ usually is just over 120K in size, and BugBear is just over
half that.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 07:58:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Mon Oct 21 06:58:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
References:  <5.1.0.14.0.20021019142725.02320c50@mail.aloha.net> <006101c2784b$8f985280$bf9c77d5@pandora.be> <007001c2785f$7841ce40$101fbed8@powertech.net>
Message-ID: <002501c2790b$066cf400$24aa77d5@pandora.be>

Hi Margaret

thank you for the information. I'am pretty well protected against virusses,
spyware, addware and even browserhelpers though!
On top of that my ISP has some gamers complaining because of the severity of
his fire-wall.
My own fire-wall is, how do you say it, the cherry on the cake?
At the MKA (Antwerp Mineral Club) the webmaster and I decided to go look for
good freeware that will protect us from all possible attacks. We'll put the
URL's on our website so everybody in our fine community of mineral
collectors will have to endure those annoying attacks again.
We'll let all of you know when you can go grab some goodies ;-))))

Take care

Axel Emmermann
Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
Home : Lobbesplein 12
            B-2640 Mortsel
            Belgium
Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
E-mail:
axel.emmermann@pandora.be
Visit our homepage:
http://www.minerant.org/index.html
Bezoek onze web-site:
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
My own web-site:
http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret Malm" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virus


|
|
| > Someboby has been at it again, that much is clear.
| > Our MKA-discussion list has also been hit.
| > In the past few days I received:
| >  W32.YAHA.F@mm virus 14 times
| > W32.magistr.39921@mm virus 4 times
| > W32.badtrans@mm.enc 4 times
| > W32.Nimda.A@mm(html) 5 times.
| >
| > It's a good thing I update my Norton daily.
|
| One other suggestion here -- check with your ISP.
| Mine has a service, for only a buck a month, that virus-checks all your
mail
| before sending it on to you. If they find a message with one, they
| quarantine it and let you know. And then you can delete it. I am delighted
| with mine. I first got onto it when (for the first time) I got a message
| with a virus that crashed my computer when the cursor got onto it
(couldn't
| even delete it!). Not an attachment.
| Perhaps your ISP has a similar service. It's certainlhy worth checking.
|
| Margaret
| >
| >
| >
| > Axel Emmermann
| > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
| > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
| > Home : Lobbesplein 12
| >             B-2640 Mortsel
| >             Belgium
| > Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
| > E-mail:
| > axel.emmermann@pandora.be
| > Visit our homepage:
| > http://www.minerant.org/index.html
| > Bezoek onze web-site:
| > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
| > My own web-site:
| > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" 
| > To: 
| > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 2:28 AM
| > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virus
| >
| >
| > | At 01:40 PM 10/18/2002, you wrote:
| > |
| > | >It could also be BugBear.A, which also fakes the sender address. If
the
| > | >message size is around 120K it is probably KLEZ, if around 65K it is
| > | >probably BugBear.
| > | >
| > | >Kreigh
| > |
| > | The message that informed me that the "MyFuelWatch" message had a
virus
| in
| > | attachment said it was BugBear.
| > | Kitty
| > |
| > |
| > | ---
| > | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| > | Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| > | Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002
| > |
| > |
| > | --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
| > | multipart/mixed
| > |   text/plain (text body -- kept)
| > |   text/plain (text body -- kept)
| > | ---
| > | _______________________________________________
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| > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 08:13:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Mon Oct 21 07:13:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Virus
References: 
Message-ID: <002b01c2790d$0b5bda60$24aa77d5@pandora.be>

Well, it seems that there have been some severe t(h)reats lately...
What I meant is that I scheduled it in my taskmanager.
Every day, my computer checks whether there are some new upgrades (software
and definitions, I have the Systemworks 2002). The past week I saw my PC
installing Norton-stuff three times.
The latest updates are from Oct. 18, the ones on my machine before updating
today were from Oct 16.
So, unless I'm very much mistaken...
Anyway, this is what they have to say:
 Latest Threats
 10-18-02    W32.Lamecada.B@mm
 10-17-02    W32.HLLW.Cozit

Cheers

Axel Emmermann
Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
Home : Lobbesplein 12
            B-2640 Mortsel
            Belgium
Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
E-mail:
axel.emmermann@pandora.be
Visit our homepage:
http://www.minerant.org/index.html
Bezoek onze web-site:
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
My own web-site:
http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Bryan Kramer" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Virus


| I was under the impression that Norton aka Symantec only updates the
| antivirus definition file once a week on Wednesday, unless there is a
major
| outbreak of some new threat.
|
| Bryan
|
| > It's a good thing I update my Norton daily.
| >
| >
|
|
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 08:30:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Mon Oct 21 07:30:02 2002
Subject: OT [Rockhounds] Virus
References:  <3DB30D27.90503@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003901c2790f$8d7c5040$24aa77d5@pandora.be>

| You are correct.  The newest Norton checks automatically whenever one
| connects to the net.  It only automaticaqlly updates the signature file.
|  If you want the other updates, you still need manyally choose to update.
|
| Peace,
| dave

Now, you got me doubting myself... I think you might even be right. I went
looking for that "daily" setting and I couldn't find it. Then I realized
that I bought this latest version only 6 months ago and that the "daily"
setting was a "remnant" in my memory from the previous version ;-) Oh well,
you know... if it works, don't tamper with it so it was some time ago when I
last saw those settings.
Still, there's this to explain: whenever there's a new virus definition
downloaded, NAV flashes a yellow square saying "your computer is now
protected against the latest viruses" at the bottom right of my screen. It's
in Dutch actually but who cares ;-)
I saw that at least 3 times on consecutive days last week. Can't explain it
either (I don't smoke, stay off the beer, don't snort anything and my
blood-pressure is under control)

Cheers

Axel



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 08:59:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dr. Walter S. Bowser)
Date: Mon Oct 21 07:59:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
References: <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel> <3DB35D99.29F5@Tomaszewski.net> <3DB3789C.25199689@earthlink.net> <3DB380B0.160C@Tomaszewski.net>
Message-ID: <3DB41620.71DC44C2@earthlink.net>

Kinda what I figgered, a stealth virus that my MAC has protected me from
again.
Thanks,

Walt

Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote:

> Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote:
> >
> > Been getting a lot of these no message things. Not a thing but a
> > legitimate address and empty message. What the heck are they?
> >
> > Walt
> >
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> The reasonably well known KLEZ virus/worm has been replaced by the
> BugBear.A virus/worm in the past few weeks, but both are still rampant.
> Since you are on Macintosh you don't see either of these stealth viri
> (and you are immune to them). Both can produce a blank message, but
> BugBear is more likely to. Both exhibit forged/harvested TO and FROM
> addresses -- the only thing you can count on is that the claimed FROM
> address is not the sender.
>
> BTW, KLEZ usually is just over 120K in size, and BugBear is just over
> half that.
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 09:43:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox)
Date: Mon Oct 21 08:43:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
In-Reply-To: <3DB41620.71DC44C2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: 

Okay,

Second warning.  The virus thread is off-topic.  Please stop posting / 
replying.

Thanks!

Aaron
Rockhounds Admin

> Kinda what I figgered, a stealth virus that my MAC has protected me from
> again.
> Thanks,
> 
> Walt
> 
> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote:
> 
> > Dr. Walter S. Bowser wrote:
> > >
> > > Been getting a lot of these no message things. Not a thing but a
> > > legitimate address and empty message. What the heck are they?
> > >
> > > Walt
> > >
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> > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds
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> >
> > The reasonably well known KLEZ virus/worm has been replaced by the
> > BugBear.A virus/worm in the past few weeks, but both are still rampant.
> > Since you are on Macintosh you don't see either of these stealth viri
> > (and you are immune to them). Both can produce a blank message, but
> > BugBear is more likely to. Both exhibit forged/harvested TO and FROM
> > addresses -- the only thing you can count on is that the claimed FROM
> > address is not the sender.
> >
> > BTW, KLEZ usually is just over 120K in size, and BugBear is just over
> > half that.
> > _______________________________________________
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 11:14:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Mon Oct 21 10:14:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] virus topic warning
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3DB41620.71DC44C2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021021071611.02820cd0@mail.aloha.net>

At 05:42 AM 10/21/2002, you wrote:

>Okay,
>
>Second warning.  The virus thread is off-topic.  Please stop posting /
>replying.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Aaron
>Rockhounds Admin

Aaron,

Since the only reason this list operates is because we use the Internet, it 
seems to me that messages that help us avoid viruses are valid.  It's 
fairly obvious that several people have found them useful and appreciated.

The thread is certainly as valid as the one we had some time ago about 
beards!  ;-)

Aloha, Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 11:25:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Mon Oct 21 10:25:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rules of thumb regarding identifying pegmatite micas   and fe...
Message-ID: 

The green muscovite that I mentioned is actually a silvery yellow mica with a 
slight smoky green tint, usually seen through the edges of mica books 
embedded in matrix. Most people would say, "That's green? You've got to be 
kidding." While others would take the smoky green tint and try to make it 
into a rare mineral. The green micas like fuchsite, mariposite, etc., are 
real intense greens, although I have seen some so-called "fuchsite" that 
wasn't really green, or at least green enough to say "That's green." Most of 
our field identifications are based on experience. When I was in school, 
someone asked me why I collected minerals. I replied that I learn from 
minerals just as they were books. Nothing beats a correctly identified 
specimen in your own hands to help the process. I can post some green mic 
photos to show what I mean. Will include some green muscovite and some 
fuchsite and such. Give me a week or so.

Best Regards, Van

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 11:26:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Trapp)
Date: Mon Oct 21 10:26:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] off-topic posts
References: <3DB41620.71DC44C2@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021021071611.02820cd0@mail.aloha.net>
Message-ID: <3DB437F4.9060908@azgs.az.gov>

Kitty and others,

I think Aaron's point is the volume of off-topic posts. One or two posts 
about virus problems is one thing, but there have been around 30 
messages in the last three days. That's a little excessive. The forum is 
about rocks, not virii. The technology used for the forum is the 
internet. There are countless forums to discuss virii and the internet. 
This is not one of them.

Not trying to bash anyone, just trying to back up Aaron, the 
long-suffering moderator.

Rick

Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote:

> At 05:42 AM 10/21/2002, you wrote:
> 
>> Okay,
>>
>> Second warning.  The virus thread is off-topic.  Please stop posting /
>> replying.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Aaron
>> Rockhounds Admin
> 
> 
> Aaron,
> 
> Since the only reason this list operates is because we use the Internet, 
> it seems to me that messages that help us avoid viruses are valid.  It's 
> fairly obvious that several people have found them useful and appreciated.
> 
> The thread is certainly as valid as the one we had some time ago about 
> beards!  ;-)
> 
> Aloha, Kitty
> 
> 
> 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 11:34:20 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Mon Oct 21 10:34:20 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] virus topic warning
Message-ID: 

When the list owner asks that something be stopped, I am a bit dismayed to
find some people arguing with him. 

He deserves a little more respect than that don't you think? 


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 11:38:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Mon Oct 21 10:38:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] virus topic warning
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021021074614.02822ec0@mail.aloha.net>

At 07:33 AM 10/21/2002, you wrote:

>When the list owner asks that something be stopped, I am a bit dismayed to
>find some people arguing with him.
>
>He deserves a little more respect than that don't you think?


SORRY!!!  I didn't mean to argue or criticize.  I apologize to Aaron and 
the list.
Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 13:31:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly)
Date: Mon Oct 21 12:31:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: SAuktown Sales
Message-ID: <000801c27937$29e91ae0$265204d0@jim>

Sauktown Sales has moved to a new URL! We are now =
http://www.sauktown.com and there are no outside ads on the site.
I never realized how annoying they were until a few people pointed it =
out. Thanks!
I've also taken time out from processing the material collected on our =
western trip to add some new material that has come in, mostly from =
Europe.
Jim Daly
Sauktown Sales
Microminerals and mounting supplies
http://www.sauktown.com
sauktown@adsnet.com
or orders@sauktown.com


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 19:23:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tony Kolodziej)
Date: Mon Oct 21 18:23:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] New, yet old to the list
Message-ID: <05eb01c27969$4d8cdf40$eb2932cf@coxinternet.com>

Howdy,

My name is Tony Kolodziej, and I joined the rockhounds list in early =
1994, subsequently in late 1995 my company transfered me to Houston and =
I elected to go independent rather than go. So I lost my membership at =
that time and never thought to rejoin until now. I received a MS in =
Geochemistry in 1974 and thought to work in the hard rock mining =
industry, but there were no jobs available then. However, for those of =
you old enough to remember 1974 and the "Energy Crisis" I found work as =
a petroleum geologist and have been one ever since. I have never lost my =
love and appreciation for rocks & minerals, I have collected them in =
many places over the past 28 years. My main emphasis these days, outside =
of making a living, is to teach Geology to the Webelos, Boy Scouts, and =
elementry school children when the occasion arises. My best regards to =
members of this list.

Tony Kolodziej
Geologist/Partner
Integrated oil & Gas Tech.
Amarillo, TX
tnt@tcac.net



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 19:48:17 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Mon Oct 21 18:48:17 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] New, yet old to the list
Message-ID: <169.15e3cd1e.2ae60800@aol.com>

Welcome back to the group Tony....We have some old, some new and some older 
members...

Glad that your back, see ya on the trail!

For now and till then,
JOHN


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 20:56:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright)
Date: Mon Oct 21 19:56:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] slab blade
Message-ID: <000901c27976$b7fb5980$d9b2950c@mel>

I need a new slab saw blade - 14X5/8X050 - My last one didn't last near what
it should have (or older ones did)

Any recommendations for source or brand?


Mel Albright

Call or hug someone you love today!


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 21 22:20:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski)
Date: Mon Oct 21 21:20:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] New, yet old to the list
References: <05eb01c27969$4d8cdf40$eb2932cf@coxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3DB4D1E8.4371@Tomaszewski.net>

Tony Kolodziej wrote:
> 
> Howdy,
> 

Welcome Tony!

I'm always pleased when I find a rockhound giving back to the hobby; it
means our efforts have a future. Welcome (back) to the list!

Kreigh

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 22 08:03:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z)
Date: Tue Oct 22 07:03:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] slab blade
References: <000901c27976$b7fb5980$d9b2950c@mel>
Message-ID: <001401c279d3$96d691e0$9a36c143@7a2wp>

Mel,

Have you tried reversing the blade? I had a Raytech that didn't last very
long at all. They told me to reverse it. After that it cut fine for another
couple of years.

-dan-


__
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deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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http://www.ManyFacets.com/            (rockshop)
http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/     (personal)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mel Albright" 
> I need a new slab saw blade - 14X5/8X050 - My last one didn't last near
what
> it should have (or older ones did)
>


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 22 13:31:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright)
Date: Tue Oct 22 12:31:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] slab blade
References: <000901c27976$b7fb5980$d9b2950c@mel> <001401c279d3$96d691e0$9a36c143@7a2wp>
Message-ID: <000701c27a01$a41523c0$40b2950c@mel>

yes I tried reversing. No help.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Z" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] slab blade


> Mel,
>
> Have you tried reversing the blade? I had a Raytech that didn't last very
> long at all. They told me to reverse it. After that it cut fine for
another
> couple of years.
>
> -dan-
>
>
> __
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> -Benjamin Franklin
>
> http://www.ManyFacets.com/            (rockshop)
> http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan/     (personal)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mel Albright" 
> > I need a new slab saw blade - 14X5/8X050 - My last one didn't last near
> what
> > it should have (or older ones did)
> >
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 22 15:25:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David and Barbara Fenstermacher)
Date: Tue Oct 22 14:25:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Another virus
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021020205110.009faa70@mindspring.com>
References: 
 <004401c27886$f7c79c40$28b2950c@mel>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021022173100.00a090e0@mindspring.com>

I didn't get it from Drizzle!!  But things coming in on e-mail (especially 
attachments) have to be looked at carefully.
Barb



At 08:55 PM 10/20/02 -0400, you wrote:
>My computer is currently in the shop getting "cleaned up."
>Hopefully we will be good as new after files are reloaded, etc.and e-mail 
>avenue is cleared up.
>I have a feeling this is only "the tip of the iceberg" for some of the 
>innovative worms that are out that to feed into the system.
>Barb
>
>
>
>At 03:30 PM 10/20/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>With all due respect, I think we've beat the virus thread to death
>>already.  Back to rocks, please.
>>
>>Oh, and unless drizzle or I really screw up, you shouldn't receive a virus
>>from this list directly.  Drizzle checks incoming and outgoing for virii,
>>and the list manager software drops attachments altogether.  Now, for
>>certain virii that manipulate Outlook's address book, it may LOOK like it
>>came from the list.  But it probably came from an infected list member,
>>who got it from somewhere else.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Aaron Fox
>>Rockhounds Admin
>>
>>
>>
>> > Norton just caught another virus - message with no subject - source 
>> supposed
>> > to be svg220b at hotmail
>> > name - bgcolor.exe
>> >
>> > Mel Albright
>> >
>> > Call or hug someone you love today!
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 23 09:30:11 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gloria Hoover)
Date: Wed Oct 23 08:30:11 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for a 4 x 6 mm cab
Message-ID: <3DB6BE85.4E4091E7@earthlink.net>

Hi

I'm looking for one 4 x 6 mm cab kind of marquis shaped with round ends.
A friend's Grandmother lost a stone in her multi-stone ring. Have found
them wholesale but only need one stone lol. The remaining stones are 
black "onyx", green, yellow, pink and white probably aventurine. This
style of ring was popular a number of years ago. So the lady will be
happy with any color of stone but I'd like to find one that wouldn't be
the same color.

Please respond privately

Thanks

Gloria

http://natures-emporium.com
http://frontporchcoffe.com

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 23 15:47:03 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Wed Oct 23 14:47:03 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] BzyLap / Lap Machine ?
Message-ID: 

Hello

Has anyone ever heard of a Bzylap or Bzy-Lap or Bzy Lap, Vibrating flat lap 
machine ?

It is just like most flat, round, vibrating lap machines. This one has a 12" 
lap pan.

Any info would be appreciated, as my Internet search turned up nothing..

Thank you

RocknLight

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 07:48:05 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly)
Date: Thu Oct 24 06:48:05 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Pints Quarry, Iowa
Message-ID: <001c01c27b62$bb302020$335204d0@jim>

Some new information in regard to an old thread:
1- The latest issue of Rocks & Minerals has an Iowa Mineral Locality =
Index. In it, the quarry across the road from Pints is named. It's the =
Peske Quarry.
2- I recently purchased a collection, mostly micromounts. In it I found =
micromounts labelled both Pints Quarry, Raymond, IA and Pints Quarry, =
Waterloo, IA. The collection came from the wife of the guy who first =
assured me that there is only one Pints Quarry! I guess labelling errors =
can sneak in anywhere!
Jim Daly
Sauktown Sales
Microminerals and mounting supplies
http://www.sauktown.com
sauktown@adsnet.com
or orders@sauktown.com


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 08:00:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly)
Date: Thu Oct 24 07:00:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite
Message-ID: <000801c27b64$4b706b80$335204d0@jim>

A customer recently had a question I can't answer.
He has a specimen labelled "Gronstedtite, Gernrode, Harz, Germany", and =
can't find any reference to that mineral. Neither can I.
Anyone ever hear of it?
Jim Daly
Sauktown Sales
Microminerals and mounting supplies
http://www.sauktown.com
sauktown@adsnet.com
or orders@sauktown.com


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 08:07:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 24 07:07:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite
Message-ID: <15d.166b1a3e.2ae9586e@aol.com>

Most likely it is "cronstedtite".  A quite uncommon species.  Most likely 
present as black to maybe greenish-black balls of smaller crystals?

Thanks!

Dan Weinrich
P.O. Box 425
Grover, MO 63040

http://www.danweinrich.com

314-378-5567 


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 08:09:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek)
Date: Thu Oct 24 07:09:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite
Message-ID: 

I'll bet it's cronstedtite instead.

                               cheers-  Earl Verbeek

>From: "Jim Daly" 
>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
>To: "Rockhounds" 
>Subject: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:50:19 -0500
>
>A customer recently had a question I can't answer.
>He has a specimen labelled "Gronstedtite, Gernrode, Harz, Germany", and 
>can't find any reference to that mineral. Neither can I.
>Anyone ever hear of it?
>Jim Daly
>Sauktown Sales
>Microminerals and mounting supplies
>http://www.sauktown.com
>sauktown@adsnet.com
>or orders@sauktown.com
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 11:11:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox)
Date: Thu Oct 24 10:11:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ron Winter (WA/OR Rockhounds)? (fwd)
Message-ID: 

Anybody been able to get in touch with Ron Winter lately? All my emails 
keep bouncing (doh).

Thanks

Aaron

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 12:20:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green)
Date: Thu Oct 24 11:20:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 & 17
Message-ID: <001901c27b88$ccb248c0$9600000a@alltel.net>

The Licking County Rock and Mineral Society will have a rock, gem and =
mineral show in Newark, Ohio on Saturday, November 16 (9-6) and on =
Sunday, November 17(10-5).  It will be held at the Teheran Grotto Hall =
on Waterworks Road just off State Rt. 13.  The admission charge is $1.00 =
per person and free to those under 12 years old when accompanied with a =
paying adult.  Scouts in uniform will also be permitted free admission.  =
There will be dealers, hourly door prizes, demonstrations, grab bags for =
children and rock savers.   Newark is about 35 miles N/E of Columbus, =
Ohio and about 7 miles north of Interstate 70.  Take SR 79 or SR 13 =
north from IS 70 to Newark.   For further information or directions =
please contact me at pgre@alltel.net or at 740-366-2778.  Dealers may =
contact Jack Lahr at jlahr@ecr.net or 740-397-7934.=20

Paul Green, Show Chairman 

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 13:02:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kris murray)
Date: Thu Oct 24 12:02:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ron Winter (WA/OR Rockhounds)? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

i sent an email or two over a month ago to Ron Winter from  the link on 
his website that did not bounce but garnered no reply.
KM
On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 10:10 AM, Aaron Fox wrote:

>
> Anybody been able to get in touch with Ron Winter lately? All my emails
> keep bouncing (doh).
>
> Thanks
>
> Aaron
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 13:50:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake)
Date: Thu Oct 24 12:50:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 & 17
References: <001901c27b88$ccb248c0$9600000a@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <3DB84E40.90507@emory.edu>

Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only 
harder?
Anita

Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green wrote:

>The Licking County Rock and Mineral Society will have a rock, gem and mineral show in Newark, Ohio on Saturday, November 16 (9-6) and on Sunday, November 17(10-5).  It will be held at the Teheran Grotto Hall on Waterworks Road just off State Rt. 13.  The admission charge is $1.00 per person and free to those under 12 years old when accompanied with a paying adult.  Scouts in uniform will also be permitted free admission.  There will be dealers, hourly door prizes, demonstrations, grab bags for children and rock savers.   Newark is about 35 miles N/E of Columbus, Ohio and about 7 miles north of Interstate 70.  Take SR 79 or SR 13 north from IS 70 to Newark.   For further information or directions please contact me at pgre@alltel.net or at 740-366-2778.  Dealers may contact Jack Lahr at jlahr@ecr.net or 740-397-7934. 
>
>Paul Green, Show Chairman 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 14:20:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stuart Schmitt)
Date: Thu Oct 24 13:20:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Results of the World Championship Crystal Dig
References: <001901c27b88$ccb248c0$9600000a@alltel.net> <3DB84E40.90507@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <019001c27b9b$04857e40$82ac3f94@win98>

I just finished the Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce web page with the
results of this year's World Championship Crystal Dig, held Oct 10-12.  A
great time was had by all 92 participants.
http://www.mtidachamber.com/2002dig/2002digA.html

With appreciation & gratitude,
Stuart Schmitt
Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine
www.arcrystalmine.com
60 Mary's Eagle Trail
Mount Ida, AR 71957
(870) 867-2443



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 17:36:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 24 16:36:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester, NY show this weekend!!!
Message-ID: <45.1f3aa385.2ae9dda0@aol.com>

October 26 through 27, Henrietta (Rochester), NY

Rochester Gem, Mineral & Fossil Show
Club Retail Show - Approximately 23 dealers carrying a broad range of
Gems/Jewelry, Minerals and Fossils, multiple dealers with lapidary
supplies and rough. Several demonstrations including soapstone carving
by world famous carver Sandy Cline from Canada and faceting. Kids'
activities too.

Location: Monroe County Fairgrounds, 2685 Calkins Road, Henrietta, NY
Hours:    Sat. 10 AM to 6 PM & Sun. 10 AM to 5 PM
Promoter: Rochester Lapidary Society/Mineral Section, Rochester Academy
of Science
Contact:  Dan Imel, 716-223-7198       lapidry@aol.com


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 18:02:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski)
Date: Thu Oct 24 17:02:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite
References: <000801c27b64$4b706b80$335204d0@jim>
Message-ID: <3DB889E0.7A72@Tomaszewski.net>

Cronstedtite is available for sale at
home.planet.nl.~dvisser/listc-d.htm (first search hit) from a local in
Ande, France. Calcite and a couple other minerals are available from
Harz, Germany on the same page. Hope this helps.

Kreigh



Jim Daly wrote:
> 
> A customer recently had a question I can't answer.
> He has a specimen labelled "Gronstedtite, Gernrode, Harz, Germany", and can't find any reference to that mineral. Neither can I.
> Anyone ever hear of it?
> Jim Daly
> Sauktown Sales
> Microminerals and mounting supplies
> http://www.sauktown.com
> sauktown@adsnet.com
> or orders@sauktown.com
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 18:46:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 24 17:46:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 & 17
Message-ID: <191.f27597c.2ae9ee0b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/24/02 12:51:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
libawc@emory.edu writes:

> Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only 
> harder?
> Anita
> 
> Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green wrote:
> 
> >The Licking County Rock and Mineral Society will have a rock, gem and 
> mineral show in Newark, Ohio 

Anita,

Did you notice it was from Licking? Sounds like a lollipop to me.

Grant


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 24 20:41:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Brian Doll)
Date: Thu Oct 24 19:41:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ron Winter (WA/OR Rockhounds)? (fwd)
Message-ID: 

I havnt seen or heard from Ron since May. I noticed that he is looking fo=
r someone to take over Stone Trails. I tried emailing him about it and ne=
ver recieved a reply. If I'm in the area, I'll try swinging by his house =
next week and see if he is around.

Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Fox
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:12 AM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ron Winter (WA/OR Rockhounds)? (fwd)


Anybody been able to get in touch with Ron Winter lately? All my emails =20
keep bouncing (doh).

Thanks

Aaron

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 05:56:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen  Douglas)
Date: Fri Oct 25 04:56:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Show announcement - Niagara Peninsula Geological Society
Message-ID: <001701c27c1d$69aaeb20$2702a8c0@WorkGroup>

      October 26-27, 2002

      NIAGARA PENINSULA GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY PRESENTS A GEM, MINERAL AND =
FOSSIL SHOW PRIVATE COLLECTIONS AND EXHIBITS, LAPIDARY CRAFTSMEN, =
MINERAL/GEM DEALERS, FOSSILS, SILENT AUCTIONS, CHILDRENS SECTION, =
GEOLOGICAL DISPLAYS=20

      Time: 10-5, both days
    =20
      Location: The Pond Inlet, Brock University, St. Catharines, =
Ontario=20
      Email: jimkingstones@hotmail.com =20
      Website: www.iaw.com/~jime =20
      Phone: 905-646-7549 =20
      Admission: $by donation
      Parking: free
       =20

--
Stephen Douglas
Editor, Pink Dolomite Saddle Newsletter
Director, Niagara Peninsula Geological Society
http://www.iaw.com/~jime/
stephendouglas@sympatico.ca


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 07:44:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly)
Date: Fri Oct 25 06:44:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite
References: <000801c27b64$4b706b80$335204d0@jim> <3DB889E0.7A72@Tomaszewski.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c27c2b$6cb2f2a0$585204d0@jim>

Thanks to all who replied. I was sure someone would have the answer.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Kreigh Tomaszewski 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gronstedtite


> Cronstedtite is available for sale at
> home.planet.nl.~dvisser/listc-d.htm (first search hit) from a local in
> Ande, France. Calcite and a couple other minerals are available from
> Harz, Germany on the same page. Hope this helps.
>
> Kreigh
>
>
>
> Jim Daly wrote:
> >
> > A customer recently had a question I can't answer.
> > He has a specimen labelled "Gronstedtite, Gernrode, Harz, Germany", and
can't find any reference to that mineral. Neither can I.
> > Anyone ever hear of it?
> > Jim Daly
> > Sauktown Sales
> > Microminerals and mounting supplies
> > http://www.sauktown.com
> > sauktown@adsnet.com
> > or orders@sauktown.com
> >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 08:14:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush)
Date: Fri Oct 25 07:14:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
References: 
Message-ID: <000401c27c30$e4808ea0$d4b05a0c@fekib>

Several times now I have bought zincite crystals labeled "Poland". These are
brightly colored ( almost gaudy), well formed, transparent crystals from 1cm
to 6 cm long, and occur in unusual crystal habits, and multiple
terminations. They are not unattractive. They are colored red, green,
yellow, and other. They obviously are not "naturally" formed. The first
story I heard is they were formed when a zinc smelter flue caught fire and
these were precipitated out of the hot gases from the fire. The next story I
heard is that they were formed in the smelter's research labs. Perhaps an
enterprising person is making them in his basement? The fire tale (fairy
tale?) can't be true, since a new batch of thousands of these seems to come
out every year. Does anyone know the real story as to how these are being
made, how they are being colored, and where the locality information should
read?

Larry Rush


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 11:40:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen)
Date: Fri Oct 25 10:40:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
In-Reply-To: <000401c27c30$e4808ea0$d4b05a0c@fekib>
Message-ID: 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush
Sent: 25 October, 2002 3:56 PM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland


Several times now I have bought zincite crystals labeled "Poland". These are
brightly colored ( almost gaudy), well formed, transparent crystals from 1cm
to 6 cm long, and occur in unusual crystal habits, and multiple
terminations. They are not unattractive. They are colored red, green,
yellow, and other. They obviously are not "naturally" formed. The first
story I heard is they were formed when a zinc smelter flue caught fire and
these were precipitated out of the hot gases from the fire. The next story I
heard is that they were formed in the smelter's research labs. Perhaps an
enterprising person is making them in his basement? The fire tale (fairy
tale?) can't be true, since a new batch of thousands of these seems to come
out every year. Does anyone know the real story as to how these are being
made, how they are being colored, and where the locality information should
read?

>>>>> In as far as I understood it is not an accidental, but a continuous
formation mechanism in thermally badly concepted smelter installations in
Poland.

Greetings,

Rik DILLEN
Doornstraat 15
B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas
Belgium

Tel. + 32 3 7706007
E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be 

Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen

>>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more)
>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp !
>>> Exchange list

Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ 
>>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more !

MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show
10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html





From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 11:47:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Fri Oct 25 10:47:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 & 17
References: <001901c27b88$ccb248c0$9600000a@alltel.net> <3DB84E40.90507@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <009301c27c4f$adfb8dc0$73ae77d5@pandora.be>

| Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only
| harder?

... a protective gear for karatekas and kickboxers perhaps????

Axel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Westlake" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 &
17


| Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only
| harder?
| Anita
|
| Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green wrote:
|
| >The Licking County Rock and Mineral Society will have a rock, gem and
mineral show in Newark, Ohio on Saturday, November 16 (9-6) and on Sunday,
November 17(10-5).  It will be held at the Teheran Grotto Hall on Waterworks
Road just off State Rt. 13.  The admission charge is $1.00 per person and
free to those under 12 years old when accompanied with a paying adult.
Scouts in uniform will also be permitted free admission.  There will be
dealers, hourly door prizes, demonstrations, grab bags for children and rock
savers.   Newark is about 35 miles N/E of Columbus, Ohio and about 7 miles
north of Interstate 70.  Take SR 79 or SR 13 north from IS 70 to Newark.
For further information or directions please contact me at pgre@alltel.net
or at 740-366-2778.  Dealers may contact Jack Lahr at jlahr@ecr.net or
740-397-7934.
| >
| >Paul Green, Show Chairman
| >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 11:50:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (frank de wit)
Date: Fri Oct 25 10:50:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
References: 
Message-ID: <00f701c27c4e$e8a33aa0$1b507ad9@cp282677a>

Rik,

the same happened here in Limburg, Holland at a melter near Eijsden i
believe
Wim Wijshoff has very nice pieces from there @home; i got his mailaddress if
you're interested
but he's not on this list

Cheers, Frank
http://www.strahlen.org/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Dillen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland


> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
> [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush
> Sent: 25 October, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
>
>
> Several times now I have bought zincite crystals labeled "Poland". These
are
> brightly colored ( almost gaudy), well formed, transparent crystals from
1cm
> to 6 cm long, and occur in unusual crystal habits, and multiple
> terminations. They are not unattractive. They are colored red, green,
> yellow, and other. They obviously are not "naturally" formed. The first
> story I heard is they were formed when a zinc smelter flue caught fire and
> these were precipitated out of the hot gases from the fire. The next story
I
> heard is that they were formed in the smelter's research labs. Perhaps an
> enterprising person is making them in his basement? The fire tale (fairy
> tale?) can't be true, since a new batch of thousands of these seems to
come
> out every year. Does anyone know the real story as to how these are being
> made, how they are being colored, and where the locality information
should
> read?
>
> >>>>> In as far as I understood it is not an accidental, but a continuous
> formation mechanism in thermally badly concepted smelter installations in
> Poland.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rik DILLEN
> Doornstraat 15
> B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas
> Belgium
>
> Tel. + 32 3 7706007
> E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be 
>
> Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen
> 
> >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more)
> >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp !
> >>> Exchange list
>
> Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/

> >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more !
>
> MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show
> 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen
> http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html
> 
>
>
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 11:53:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee)
Date: Fri Oct 25 10:53:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 & 17
References: <001901c27b88$ccb248c0$9600000a@alltel.net> <3DB84E40.90507@emory.edu> <009301c27c4f$adfb8dc0$73ae77d5@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <002d01c27c4f$35cf8bd0$163e88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi>

Doesn't save ROCKS isn't it, or ...
I thought rocks was... what we wanted to hit.

Paul Van hee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Emmermann" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 &
17


> | Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only
> | harder?
>
> ... a protective gear for karatekas and kickboxers perhaps????
>
> Axel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anita Westlake" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16
&
> 17
>
>
> | Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only
> | harder?
> | Anita
> |
> | Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green wrote:
> |
> | >The Licking County Rock and Mineral Society will have a rock, gem and
> mineral show in Newark, Ohio on Saturday, November 16 (9-6) and on Sunday,
> November 17(10-5).  It will be held at the Teheran Grotto Hall on
Waterworks
> Road just off State Rt. 13.  The admission charge is $1.00 per person and
> free to those under 12 years old when accompanied with a paying adult.
> Scouts in uniform will also be permitted free admission.  There will be
> dealers, hourly door prizes, demonstrations, grab bags for children and
rock
> savers.   Newark is about 35 miles N/E of Columbus, Ohio and about 7 miles
> north of Interstate 70.  Take SR 79 or SR 13 north from IS 70 to Newark.
> For further information or directions please contact me at pgre@alltel.net
> or at 740-366-2778.  Dealers may contact Jack Lahr at jlahr@ecr.net or
> 740-397-7934.
> | >
> | >Paul Green, Show Chairman
> | >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 12:17:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TAM)
Date: Fri Oct 25 11:17:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tony Meredith, R.I.P.
Message-ID: <3DB98B40.9F06A59B@cox.net>

There must have been a great need for a Field Trip leader in Heaven, one
of the best I have known was called to the job.

San Diego County rockhounds, will always have a picture of a smiling
Tony Meredith in a couple of poses. As one who has both photos etched in
my memory, I would like to share both.

As a Field Trip leader, Tony was among the best. He prepared for his
trip by first scouring the area well in advance. The better yielding
spots were scoped out and well defined. The roads chosen for the easiest
access for the variety of vehicles owned by club members. The choice
parking spots well selected and marked. If it were to be an overnight
trip, a camp site was prepared, ease of RV parking considered. A fire
pit was prepared and wood for the camp fire in place.

For me personally, with my then young grandsons in tow, the time spent
digging was only a part of Tony's field trip, the time spent around the
campfire talking about life was so meaningful. I will never forget that.
I shared the news of Tony's passing with Brendon now almost 15, his
reaction first was "too young" then he told me he will pray for Tony
that night. Tony left a deep impression on them.

The materials collected during those field trips were always of good
quality and abundance. Thanks Tony.

The second photo seen at every club show in San Diego County was of
Tony, driving a work truck to pick up the tables, cases, and heavy rolls
of plastic table covers, wearing heavy work gloves on his hands and a
big old grin on his face. He then delivered that load to wherever in the
County the show was being held. Driving the truck was only the beginning
of Tony's day, he assisted in the unloading and setting up of cases and
tables, working side by side with the volunteers of the club hosting the
show. Some shows are three day's long taking Tony into evenings and away
from his day time job in his family's business. Tony never made use of
the word "no" he worked until the job was done after breaking down the
show, reloading and returning tables and cases to the storage unit.

Tony spent a scant 51 years among us, far too short for all of us,
especially his family. Father McKeever mentioned the deep sorrow felt by
the parents mourning the loss of their son. Tony's daughter Wendy
eulogized her father in such a poignant way, we were all wiping tears
from our cheeks. Laura, Tony's wife told us he went peacefully.

Rockhounds have lost a champion. good-bye Tony, Via Con Dios,
Terrie


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 13:35:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Fri Oct 25 12:35:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
Message-ID: <26.2ff75858.2aeaf6bb@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/2002 10:14:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
LarryRush@worldnet.att.net writes:


> Does anyone know the real story as to how these are being
> made, how they are being colored, and where the locality information should
> read?

The crystals precipitate in the smokestack of the smelter. The mine owners 
have started to improve the smelting process and crystal formation has 
slowed. Many years ago there was a different find that was discovered after a 
mine fire.

John Betts
www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 14:03:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green)
Date: Fri Oct 25 13:03:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 & 17
References: <191.f27597c.2ae9ee0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c27c60$3b26d320$9600000a@alltel.net>

FYI, A rock saver is a small box used to save rocks by children according to
one of my club colleagues.  These are given out at the show.

Licking County was named as such by early explorers who observed deer
licking salt bearing rocks in the area.

Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rock, Gem & Mineral Show in Ohio on November 16 &
17


> In a message dated 10/24/02 12:51:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> libawc@emory.edu writes:
>
> > Okay, I'll bite: what's a "rock saver"? Is it like a "Life Saver" only
> > harder?
> > Anita
> >
> > Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green wrote:
> >
> > >The Licking County Rock and Mineral Society will have a rock, gem and
> > mineral show in Newark, Ohio
>
> Anita,
>
> Did you notice it was from Licking? Sounds like a lollipop to me.
>
> Grant
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 18:28:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Otis)
Date: Fri Oct 25 17:28:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] ferrigenous quartz
Message-ID: <3DB9E1B0.3728FBF6@earthlink.net>

Hi List Members,

Does anyone have knowledge/information on ferrigenous (sp) quartz?  We
have searched in several places looking for photos, location, general
pricing and are coming up empty.  Spelling it wrong doesn't seem to
matter, lol.  Where do we need to look?

thanks for the help,

Teresa Otis

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 19:00:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski)
Date: Fri Oct 25 18:00:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] ferrigenous quartz
References: <3DB9E1B0.3728FBF6@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3DB9E8EB.1C4B@Tomaszewski.net>

Teresa Otis wrote:
> 
> Hi List Members,
> 
> Does anyone have knowledge/information on ferrigenous (sp) quartz?  We
> have searched in several places looking for photos, location, general
> pricing and are coming up empty.  Spelling it wrong doesn't seem to
> matter, lol.  Where do we need to look?
> 
> thanks for the help,
> 
> Teresa Otis

I think you are looking for ferruginous quartz. Google pulled up about
1800 hits.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Fri Oct 25 21:24:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Dee)
Date: Fri Oct 25 20:24:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] U.S. Geological Survey Open-File Reports for 2002
Message-ID: <3DBA0B60.5A650173@mindspring.com>

Kitty, you might be interested in this geologic field guide to Molokoi.
LDee

http://geopubs.wr.usgs.gov/docs/wrgis/of_02.html


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 26 02:58:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Sat Oct 26 01:58:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] ferrigenous quartz
References: <3DB9E1B0.3728FBF6@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c27ccf$05f03ce0$e4aa77d5@pandora.be>

Hoi Teresa

Perhaps those brick-red double ended quartz crystals from the Sierra Orcheta
in Spain might fit the name?
They are opaque and saturated with hematite. Probably both quarz and
hematite formed out of the same gel.

cheers

Axel Emmermann
Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
Home : Lobbesplein 12
            B-2640 Mortsel
            Belgium
Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
E-mail:
axel.emmermann@pandora.be
Visit our homepage:
http://www.minerant.org/index.html
Bezoek onze web-site:
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
My own web-site:
http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teresa Otis" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:28 AM
Subject: [Rockhounds] ferrigenous quartz


| Hi List Members,
|
| Does anyone have knowledge/information on ferrigenous (sp) quartz?  We
| have searched in several places looking for photos, location, general
| pricing and are coming up empty.  Spelling it wrong doesn't seem to
| matter, lol.  Where do we need to look?
|
| thanks for the help,
|
| Teresa Otis
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 26 08:12:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush)
Date: Sat Oct 26 07:12:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
References: <26.2ff75858.2aeaf6bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000201c27cf9$c2575740$62ae5a0c@fekib>

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland


> In a message dated 10/25/2002 10:14:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> LarryRush@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
>
> > Does anyone know the real story as to how these are being
> > made, how they are being colored, and where the locality information
should
> > read?
>
> The crystals precipitate in the smokestack of the smelter. The mine owners
> have started to improve the smelting process and crystal formation has
> slowed. Many years ago there was a different find that was discovered
after a
> mine fire.
>
> John Betts
> www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------

Thanks, John! Makes sense to me, but they sure look as if they were
carefully grown, with all of those neon colors! I wish they were natural,
but then, I probably couldn't afford them!

Best wishes...........Larry


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 26 09:50:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek)
Date: Sat Oct 26 08:50:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
Message-ID: <001801c27d20$74c75080$bd7742d8@dlevinp0757px3>

I am leaving next week for the Caribbean.  We'll be working our way down =
in a sailboat from the Dominican Republic to the eastern coast of South =
America.  I'm looking for a collecting site for amber in the Dominican =
Republic and also looking either to buy or collect some Larimer there.  =
Aside from the DR, does anyone know of and interesting material suitable =
for cutting that I might want to either rockhound or buy?  This could be =
all the way from beryl to agate or other amber locations. =20

I have for instance seen some green Cuban opal and would like to find =
obscure stuff like that. =20

Also, does anyone know the status of landing on Montserrat these days. =20

Derek

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sat Oct 26 11:27:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Sat Oct 26 10:27:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Zincite from Poland
In-Reply-To: <000201c27cf9$c2575740$62ae5a0c@fekib>
References: <26.2ff75858.2aeaf6bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021026073315.025c8e60@mail.aloha.net>

At 03:41 PM 10/25/2002, you wrote:

>.... but they sure look as if they were
>carefully grown, with all of those neon colors! I wish they were natural,
>but then, I probably couldn't afford them!
>
>Best wishes...........Larry


Those things fluoresce a nice greenish yellow under long wave UV 
also.  Mine even do so when exposed to "black light" bulbs used for posters 
(and Halloween).

Aloha, Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 05:13:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Sun Oct 27 05:13:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
Message-ID: <69.2f88b02c.2aed4044@aol.com>

Puerto Rico has some great fossils. I lived there an age ago and collected 
shark teeth, including some megs, turtle material, sea cow, porpoise, croc, 
and lots of invertebrates. Doubt you find a lot from a sailboat. 

Gene Hartstein
Newark, DE

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 06:12:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek)
Date: Sun Oct 27 06:12:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
References: <69.2f88b02c.2aed4044@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c27ddb$f8ff83c0$bd7742d8@dlevinp0757px3>

That sounds interesting, Gene.    Can you remember where specifically you
found them.  I mean town names or hill names etc.?  I have a bicycle so can
get to many places.

Derek
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Carribbean


> Puerto Rico has some great fossils. I lived there an age ago and collected
> shark teeth, including some megs, turtle material, sea cow, porpoise,
croc,
> and lots of invertebrates. Doubt you find a lot from a sailboat.
>
> Gene Hartstein
> Newark, DE
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 07:40:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Gloria Cornish)
Date: Sun Oct 27 07:40:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Results of the World Championship Crystal Dig
References: <001901c27b88$ccb248c0$9600000a@alltel.net> <3DB84E40.90507@emory.edu> <019001c27b9b$04857e40$82ac3f94@win98>
Message-ID: <009801c27dcd$b79295c0$LocalHost@jgcornish>

Hi Stuart,

As usual, I want to thank you for posting the results of this terrific
event! I apologize for not writing sooner, I was away collecting in Utah and
have only just returned. If I did not live sooo far away here in Washington
State, I know I'd be a registrant in next years event. It just sounds like
too much fun! Thanks again for the post, I really enjoy reading them. All
the very best,

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Schmitt" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:22 PM
Subject: [Rockhounds] Results of the World Championship Crystal Dig


> I just finished the Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce web page with the
> results of this year's World Championship Crystal Dig, held Oct 10-12.  A
> great time was had by all 92 participants.
> http://www.mtidachamber.com/2002dig/2002digA.html
>
> With appreciation & gratitude,
> Stuart Schmitt
> Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine
> www.arcrystalmine.com
> 60 Mary's Eagle Trail
> Mount Ida, AR 71957
> (870) 867-2443
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 10:26:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Sun Oct 27 10:26:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
Message-ID: 

The first was found on a hill cut near Catano where the Autopista cuts 
through. There was a blue clay layer there and I found a lot of material 
there. There were also good fossils near Bayamon in an area called Sierra 
Bayamon. I'm told this is no longer accessable as it has something built on 
it now.

I also have one from Aguadilla, which was collected by someone else at a 
construction site. All I can recommend is to rent a car and drive around 
looking for some fresh road cuts with clay layers. I found these to be most 
productive for vertebrates and the limesone was better for the inverts.

The island is pretty big and a bike is a lot of riding to do, especially in 
P.R where riding a bike on the country roads might be worth your life. The 
roads are often pretty narrow and  very busy with folks who are not 
necessarily paying close attention. 

Gene

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 11:48:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Derek)
Date: Sun Oct 27 11:48:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
References: 
Message-ID: <001801c27e0a$e7ebfad0$bd7742d8@dlevinp0757px3>

Thanks for that info.  I'll see what I can find.

D
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Carribbean


> The first was found on a hill cut near Catano where the Autopista cuts
> through. There was a blue clay layer there and I found a lot of material
> there. There were also good fossils near Bayamon in an area called Sierra
> Bayamon. I'm told this is no longer accessable as it has something built
on
> it now.
>
> I also have one from Aguadilla, which was collected by someone else at a
> construction site. All I can recommend is to rent a car and drive around
> looking for some fresh road cuts with clay layers. I found these to be
most
> productive for vertebrates and the limesone was better for the inverts.
>
> The island is pretty big and a bike is a lot of riding to do, especially
in
> P.R where riding a bike on the country roads might be worth your life. The
> roads are often pretty narrow and  very busy with folks who are not
> necessarily paying close attention.
>
> Gene
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 13:56:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Sun Oct 27 13:56:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
References:  <001801c27e0a$e7ebfad0$bd7742d8@dlevinp0757px3>
Message-ID: <002701c27e03$dd855660$0386f7a5@peggy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek" 
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Carribbean


> Thanks for that info.  I'll see what I can find.
>
> D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Carribbean
>
>
> > The first was found on a hill cut near Catano where the Autopista cuts
> > through. There was a blue clay layer there and I found a lot of material
> > there. There were also good fossils near Bayamon in an area called
Sierra
> > Bayamon. I'm told this is no longer accessable as it has something built
> on
> > it now.
> >
> > I also have one from Aguadilla, which was collected by someone else at a
> > construction site. All I can recommend is to rent a car and drive around
> > looking for some fresh road cuts with clay layers. I found these to be
> most
> > productive for vertebrates and the limesone was better for the inverts.
> >
> > The island is pretty big and a bike is a lot of riding to do, especially
> in
> > P.R where riding a bike on the country roads might be worth your life.
The
> > roads are often pretty narrow and  very busy with folks who are not
> > necessarily paying close attention.
> >
> > Gene
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Sun Oct 27 13:59:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Sun Oct 27 13:59:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Hamme Tungston Mine
Message-ID: <003201c27e04$50c2ae20$0386f7a5@peggy>

interested in specimans from the Hamme Tungston Mine in North Carolina =
to buy or trade.
please contact me off line.
thanks=20
barny




















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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 07:14:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Erich)
Date: Mon Oct 28 07:14:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Show Announcement, CA
References: <3DB98B40.9F06A59B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000201c27c89$dd1e27e0$c976140a@hostname.ridgenet.net>

The Indian Wells Gem and Mineral Society will be having their annual =
show 2 & 3 November at the Desert Empire Fairgrounds in Ridgecrest, CA.  =
Hours will be 9-5 each day.  A field trip to the club claim at Rainbow =
Ledge will depart at 9:30 each day.



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 07:14:53 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Travis Douglas Cuprak)
Date: Mon Oct 28 07:14:53 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Staurolite crystals
In-Reply-To: <003201c27e04$50c2ae20$0386f7a5@peggy>
Message-ID: 

Hey Everyone,
Last year we decided to spend spring break in the mountains of Fannin
County, Georgia.  While there, I of course had to go searching for the
famed "Fairy Crosses" of the area.  I found quite a few of the twin
crystals, and many single staurolite crystals.  
I mostly tumble stones, so I don't know much at all about rock polishing.
I would like to take the single crystals and shine them up, so to speak,
but I have no idea how I would go about doing this.  They're pretty hard
(~7-7.5), and I'm sure that would add a lot of effort into the process.  
Any suggestions?  
Cheers!
-Travis

================================================
Travis Cuprak
UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
Electrical Engineering, Class of 2003
e-mail: tcuprak@darwin.helios.nd.edu
"On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur.
 L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux."
================================================



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 07:35:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake)
Date: Mon Oct 28 07:35:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Staurolite crystals
References: 
Message-ID: <3DBD5830.7070106@emory.edu>

Hi Travis:
  Given the nature of the staurolite, I doubt you can "shine them up" 
very much. You could try putting them on a polishing wheel to get rid of 
the micaceous matrix and then soak them in linseed oil for a day or two. 
That's about as shiny as those puppies are likely to get. And then 
they'll have a lovely aroma to boot!

Anita

Travis Douglas Cuprak wrote:

>Hey Everyone,
>Last year we decided to spend spring break in the mountains of Fannin
>County, Georgia.  While there, I of course had to go searching for the
>famed "Fairy Crosses" of the area.  I found quite a few of the twin
>crystals, and many single staurolite crystals.  
>I mostly tumble stones, so I don't know much at all about rock polishing.
>I would like to take the single crystals and shine them up, so to speak,
>but I have no idea how I would go about doing this.  They're pretty hard
>(~7-7.5), and I'm sure that would add a lot of effort into the process.  
>Any suggestions?  
>Cheers!
>-Travis
>
>================================================
>Travis Cuprak
>UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
>Electrical Engineering, Class of 2003
>e-mail: tcuprak@darwin.helios.nd.edu
>"On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur.
> L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux."
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 07:41:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek)
Date: Mon Oct 28 07:41:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Staurolite crystals
Message-ID: 

Hi Travis,

I'm sure a diamond wheel will take care of those staurolite crystals.  
Remember that Mohs' hardness scale is not linear, and diamond at H = 10 is 
many times harder than staurolite at H = 7.5.  I'll leave it to the 
lapidarists on the list to comment further; I don't cut stones myself.

A word of caution, though:  if you modify the crystal faces by grinding them 
on a wheel you have pretty much destroyed any specimen value these crystals 
might have.  That's fine if you wish to keep them for yourself and want to 
"pretty them up" a bit, but please realize that many folks view the 
polishing of crystal faces as roughly equivalent to specimen destruction.

                               cheers-  Earl Verbeek





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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 12:51:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Utilisateur1)
Date: Mon Oct 28 12:51:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] AD : french minerals for sale
References:  <3DBD5830.7070106@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <000701c27ec3$99981a80$30900e50@r4q8f2>

Hi all !

A new page with fews minerals from my own collection for sale.

The shop, for a first time, will be open ubntil chrismas (end of =
december).

see you later
Y. Dain
French collector of minerals
http://www.chez.com/mineralzine/shop/


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 15:01:11 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Mon Oct 28 15:01:11 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003 calendar
with pictures
of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?

Thanks,

Bob Loeffler
President and webmaster
North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)

Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar


I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
anyone sell it?

Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
at pciszek@pobox.com


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 15:10:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H)
Date: Mon Oct 28 15:10:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
References: 
Message-ID: <3DBDC41D.32EBA15F@att.net>

In 1999, I had a mineral calendar on my wall.  They do exist; but I
haven't seen one since then.  I know this isn't much help, but at least
I can encourage the seeker to keep looking since I've found them in the
past.

Don

Bob Loeffler wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003 calendar
> with pictures
> of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Mon Oct 28 15:51:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Mon Oct 28 15:51:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
References: 
Message-ID: <001e01c27ede$1b65efa0$ce9e77d5@pandora.be>

Try Siemens. Their scientific branch (XRF, X-Ray devices, medical imaging)
often gives out magnificent calendars with large size slides or transparents
(about 25 x 25 cm) to their customers.
Hard to come by and not every year but unvariably with really exquisite
photos.


Axel Emmermann
Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
Home : Lobbesplein 12
            B-2640 Mortsel
            Belgium
Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
E-mail:
axel.emmermann@pandora.be
Visit our homepage:
http://www.minerant.org/index.html
Bezoek onze web-site:
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
My own web-site:
http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Loeffler" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:05 AM
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar


| Hi all,
|
| Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003 calendar
| with pictures
| of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?
|
| Thanks,
|
| Bob Loeffler
| President and webmaster
| North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
| http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
| and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
|
| Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
| http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
| Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
| To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
| Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
|
|
| I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
| crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
| anyone sell it?
|
| Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
| at pciszek@pobox.com
|
| _______________________________________________
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| WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 09:42:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth)
Date: Tue Oct 29 09:42:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
References: 
Message-ID: <3DBEC888.5D8C7F82@gmx.de>

www.lapis.de

Greetings
Jürgen Wachsmuth
Ulm - Germany

Bob Loeffler schrieb:

> Hi all,
>
> Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003 calendar
> with pictures
> of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Loeffler
> President and webmaster
> North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
> and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
>
> Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
> To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
> Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
>
> I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
> crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
> anyone sell it?
>
> Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
> at pciszek@pobox.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 11:08:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 11:08:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
References:  <3DBEC888.5D8C7F82@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <001401c27f7e$b96c8920$a494f7a5@peggy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juergen Wachsmuth" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar


> www.lapis.de
>
> Greetings
> Jürgen Wachsmuth
> Ulm - Germany
>
> Bob Loeffler schrieb:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003
calendar
> > with pictures
> > of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob Loeffler
> > President and webmaster
> > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
> > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
> > and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
> >
> > Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
> > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
> > To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
> > Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
> >
> > I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
> > crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
> > anyone sell it?
> >
> > Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
> > at pciszek@pobox.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List
> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds
> > Subscription Services:
> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 16:54:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 16:54:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Last Call - minerals named for people
Message-ID: 

Dear List members,

Than you for all your help in locating "missing" biographical data about 
people who have minerals named for them. I particularly want to recognize 
Jolyon, Vladimir Knyazev, Mark, Roger Staley, Mike Kieron, Don Halterman, 
John Cornish, Nico, Guy Jourdan, Phillippe Saget, and Jim Ferraiollo for 
specific information.

The most intractable biography has been that of "Dr. Schwartzemberg" an 
assayer of Copiapo, Chile. Dana named a mineral for him in 1868 because that 
man had worked on the species. Unfortunately, despite his rare name, his 
first name, and even his initial, is unknown, as well as his birth and death 
dates, and where he worked. A close second is "C. Tenger" who had a mineral 
named for him also by Dana in 1868. Tenger did write articles with Lars 
Svanberg (svanbergite) and I've tried everybody I could think of at 
University of Upsalla without success. The last names I'm searching are 
listed below. Mostly the institution is unknown. That is, where did this 
person work? Other pertinent data already known. Am only seeking the 
specifically "unknown" information.

It is surprising how little information is known about some people who have 
minerals named for them. Was interested to note that a mineral had been named 
for a bulldozer operator (who had no hand in finding minerals or in 
geological studies). Would offer as a challenge to discover who Laura was 
(laurite) and did the naming get Wöhler into trouble?.

Good luck finding these! These are going to be hard - or easy if you happen 
to know.

Sincerely, Van

aubertite - J. Aubert, unknown first name, unknown institution.
biehlite - Friedrich Karl Biehl, death date unknown, institution unknown.
blödite - Carl August Blöde unknown institution. (Did he spell his name with 
a "K"? Was he the famous phrenologist as well?)
carlosruizite - Carlos Ruiz F., death date unknown, "F" (mother's maiden 
name? unknown)
darapskite - Ludwig Darapsky, unknown institution
dememaekerite - Gaston Demesmaeker, unknown death date.
despujolsite - Pierre Depujols, unknown death date.
devilline - Henri Etienne St-Claire Deville, unknown institution.
dietrichite - Gustav Heinrich, unknown birth and death dates, unknown 
institution, Pribram, Czech Republic.
dietzeite - August Dietz, unknown birth date, unknown institution.
dinite - Olinto Dini, unknown institution.
dresserite - John Alexander Dresser, unknown institution.
edoylerite - Edward H. Oyler, unknown middle name, unknown death date.
efremovite - Ivan Antonovich Yefremov, unknown institution (was also a 
science fiction writer).
elyite - John H. Ely, unknown birth and death dates, unknown middle initial. 
(Lots of websites mention him, but no data.)
fabianite - Hans Joachim Fabian, unknown birth and death dates, unknown 
institution.
galeite - William Alexander Gale, unknown death date (The social security 
death index lists 5 William Gales born in 1898, one died in Whittier, 
California in the 1985.)
gerhardtite - Charles Frederic Gerhardt, unknown institution.
ginorite - Prince Piero Ginori Conti. Was he employed somewhere? Did he own 
some boron mines?
georgbokiite - Georgiy Borisovich Bokii, unknown death date, unknown 
institution.
glushinskite - Petr Ivanovich Glushinskii, unknown death date.
görgeyite - Rolf von Görgey, unknown institution.
hambergite - Axel Hamberg, unknown institution.
heidornite - F. Heidorn, unknown first name, unknown birth and death dates, 
unknown institution.
hilgardite - Eugene Woldemar Hilgard, unknown institution.
humberstonite - James Thomas Humberstone, unknown institution.
hungchaoite - Chang Hung-chao, unknown institution.
ilesite - Malvern Wells Iles, unknown institution.
jeremejevite - Pavel Vladimirovitch Eremeev, unknown institution.
joliotite - Jean Frédéric Joliot, unknown institution.
refikite - Refik Bey, unknown birth date.
römerite - Friedrich A. Römer, unknown institution.
schiavinatoite - Guiseppe Schiavinato, unknown institution.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 17:07:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H)
Date: Tue Oct 29 17:07:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Last Call - minerals named for people
References: 
Message-ID: <3DBF3130.C1007E2@att.net>

You know, Skip Szenics did some work in Chile, I think in Copiapo as
well (BTW, anybody got a servicable specimen of COPIAPITE from Copiapo? 
I'll trade another really neat Chilean specimen for it).  Have you asked
him?  If not, I'll give him a call.

BTW, are you absolutely sure the original name is "SchwartzeMberg," and
not "SchwartzeNberg"?  I'll check around for alternate spellings too.

Don


ANNWB2@aol.com wrote:
> 
> The most intractable biography has been that of "Dr. Schwartzemberg" an
> assayer of Copiapo, Chile.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 17:22:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H)
Date: Tue Oct 29 17:22:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Last Call - minerals named for people
References:  <3DBF3130.C1007E2@att.net>
Message-ID: <3DBF348C.3B1C2F1E@att.net>

Oh that's beautiful--a web search found a large number of hits under
both variants of the name (either of which could be orthographically
correct in German, depending upon whether the adjective was used in the
objective or subjective case, and some other things); however, strangely
enough, I found a Spanish-language page referring to a Schwarzemberg at
the University of Chile, but the link was broken when I clicked on it (I
love the Internet).

Don  


Don H wrote:
> 
> You know, Skip Szenics did some work in Chile, I think in Copiapo as
> well (BTW, anybody got a servicable specimen of COPIAPITE from Copiapo?
> I'll trade another really neat Chilean specimen for it).  Have you asked
> him?  If not, I'll give him a call.
> 
> BTW, are you absolutely sure the original name is "SchwartzeMberg," and
> not "SchwartzeNberg"?  I'll check around for alternate spellings too.
> 
> Don
> 
> ANNWB2@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > The most intractable biography has been that of "Dr. Schwartzemberg" an
> > assayer of Copiapo, Chile.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 17:43:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 17:43:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Aufschluss back issues for trade
Message-ID: <178.10e46a02.2af0931f@aol.com>

Available for trade for micromounts, back issues of Aufschluss and Urner 
Mineralienfreund, All in good condition.

Aufschluss
1962 #6, 8-9 (2 issues)
1963 #1 (two copies),2,4,5,8,12 (6 issues)
1964 #1,3,5,6,7-8,9,11,12 (8 issues)
1965 #1,2,3,5,7-8,9,10,11,12 (9 issues)
1966 #1,2,4,5,6 (5 issues)
1974 #12
1975 #1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11 (9 issues)
1976 #1,2,4,5,6,7-8,9,10,11,12 (10 issues)
1977 #1-12 complete (11 issues)
1978, #1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12 (10 issues)
1979, #1

72 issues plus 10 issues of Urner Mineralienfreund (1967 #4; 1968 #2,3,6; 
1969 #1,2,4; 1971 #2; 1973 #4; 1974 #1)

Please reply off list. Van

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 18:04:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 18:04:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Last Call - minerals named for people
Message-ID: <140.186085b.2af09771@aol.com>

Just sent an email to Skip on a different topic. Have already told him about 
the name. As you know he found some seeligerite which is related chemically 
and from the same area. He had no knowledge, but presumably Schwartzemberg 
has been dead for 100 years. No reason to think Dana made an error in the 
spelling. There are Schwartzemberg's in the world and had asked a 
Schwartzemberg genealogist researching genealogy IN CHILE, but who had no 
data as it wasn't his line.

I am trying to research this as well, but someone may come up with a 
different search engine. I used google for all my searches. Thanks for the 
interest. Maybe together the list members can fill in a few holes.

Had the hardest time finding out what the J. W. was in J. W. Gregory 
(gregoryite). Everyone was just copying biographical data from the same 
source. As soon as I found that he was a prof. at Univ. Glasgow, "the nut was 
cracked".

Van

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 20:21:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Allison Nilsen)
Date: Tue Oct 29 20:21:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Loss of a rockhound from New Mexico
Message-ID: <3DBF5AD8.76A4F393@plateautel.net>

I just thought I would inform the group that on this last Saturday
morning at 6 AM we lost a great friend to the mineral world. James R.
Winchell, who was the past President of the Albuquerque Gem & Mineral
Club and was also very well known for leading trips down to Mexico to
the Cave of Swords and chasing Fire Agate. We paid tribute to him at the
AGMS meeting last night. He was a genuine person and will be missed by
many. If anyone would like to have more info please email me off list.
Allison



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 21:15:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead)
Date: Tue Oct 29 21:15:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumblers
References: 
Message-ID: <3DBF6D4C.6312@rcn.com>

Hello

Someone just asked ma about tumblers.

Thought I would ask all of your.

The different kinds.

What is good / best.

The person asking wanted, I think, 
to get a tumbler for his daughter 
who is about 12 years old.  A very 
smart young lady.

Thank you,

GeorgiaO
folmstead

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 21:46:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 21:46:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumblers
Message-ID: <4c.1422c496.2af0cc0b@aol.com>

I would recommend a tumbler that would keep her interest and one she can grow 
with for a few years..... 

Try a tumbler that could not only hold small walnut sized rocks, but also 
larger sizes.. Then she can be more creative and also have enough polished 
material to share with friends and family and maybe even sell some stuff to 
get money for more rocks and grits and polish etc.. ...
 
A good middle of the road tumbler would be around 10 pounds.. 

Try logging onto Kingsley North  www.kingsleynorth.com..

You can choose the rotary tumblers, as they are best for beginners..

One barrel will need to be cleaned out VERY WELL between grits, or you can 
let the grit run longer, so that it breaks down further on its own tumbling 
action, thereby skipping a step or two... Others can explain grit breakdowns 
better or ask Kingsley North about the steps....

You can also consider smaller sized tumblers with 3 consecutive barrels. They 
are bout 4 pounds per barrel.. Each barrel will then be used for ONLY one 
step....   
1st = grinding & sanding....2nd = pre-polishing ...3rd = final polish... 

She may like that better, as it is less work to not have to clean out the 
single barrel 10 pound tumbler..

You may want to purchase a tumbling book as well...In order to understand the 
tricks of the trade

Good Luck

RnL

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Tue Oct 29 22:19:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Tue Oct 29 22:19:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumblers
Message-ID: <154.16b3bff6.2af0d3cb@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/29/02 9:13:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
folmstead@rcn.com writes:

> 
> The person asking wanted, I think, to get a tumbler for his daughter 
> who is about 12 years old.  A very smart young lady.


He can get a 3 pound Loritone in the range of $60 - $75. That usually 
includes a starter kit of grit and rock. I think a bigger one is better if 
she is really into rocks and if she can get all the rough she needs. I think 
maybe that is the first question to ask. Where does she get the rock? Can she 
always find 3 pounds of similar hardness? Or 10 pounds?

Grant


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 05:40:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling)
Date: Wed Oct 30 05:40:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: 

Hi everyone,

Up here on the Bay of Fundy the days are getting shorter, colder, cloudier.
Winter lies ahead. Damn! - time to flee, time to travel - at least in the
mind.

So in my imagination I've been putting together my geological dream tour,
inventory-ing a sort of top-ten of the geological wonders that, someday,
I'd like to visit. My spur of the moment wish list goes like this -

- Cave of Swords, for the spectacular gypsum crystal rooms

- That salt mine in Poland (what's its name???) where the miners over the
centuries
  have sculpted an underground cathedral in the solid salt

- Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the perfection of its shape and
because it was
  the first to be recognized as being of extra-terrestial origin

- The limestone quarries in Solnhofen, Germany, the source of those
mazingly detailed fossils of the archeopterix, the flying lizard (hope I
have that biologically correct) originate

- Namibia for the sake of its Namib desert and its vast array of gemstones

- Brazil, Minas Gerais, ditto

- Iceland for its volanoes perhaps?

No doubt there are other, many other, "must-see" places; but already I'm
drifting away from geology, and toward gemstones, which are my own favorite
pursuit. So I thought I'd put the question out to the list members: if you
had all the money in the world, and all the time in the world, what would
be _your_ favorite top ten, or top five, geological sites, and why are they
important, significant, attractive, worthwhile?

(It just occurs to me that maybe we can get Walt Bowser to do this for
real...*S*...)

Anyway, let's do some winter dreaming...

Cheers,
Hans Durstling
Moncton, Canada




From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 05:55:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake)
Date: Wed Oct 30 05:55:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References: 
Message-ID: <3DBFE406.1030507@emory.edu>

Here's my "off the top of my head" list:

1.  Meteor Crater, Arizona
2.  San Andres Fault, California
3.  Any active volcano
4.  Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico (cave formations)
5.  Patagonia, Argentina (petrified wood, pinecones, etc.)
6.  Madagascar (labradorite, petrified wood and lots of other cool stuff)
7.  Gobi Desert, China (dinosaur bones, eggs)
8.  Dominican Republic (amber)
9.  A South African diamond mine (diamonds!)
10. Dorset (?) Lyme Regis, UK (where Mary Anning discovered, excavated, 
studied and sold fossils)
11. Giants Causeway, Ireland
12. Siccar Point, Scotland (site of James Hutton's unconformity)

Anita Westlake

H.Durstling wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>Up here on the Bay of Fundy the days are getting shorter, colder, cloudier.
>Winter lies ahead. Damn! - time to flee, time to travel - at least in the
>mind.
>
>So in my imagination I've been putting together my geological dream tour,
>inventory-ing a sort of top-ten of the geological wonders that, someday,
>I'd like to visit. My spur of the moment wish list goes like this -
>
>- Cave of Swords, for the spectacular gypsum crystal rooms
>
>- That salt mine in Poland (what's its name???) where the miners over the
>centuries
>  have sculpted an underground cathedral in the solid salt
>
>- Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the perfection of its shape and
>because it was
>  the first to be recognized as being of extra-terrestial origin
>
>- The limestone quarries in Solnhofen, Germany, the source of those
>mazingly detailed fossils of the archeopterix, the flying lizard (hope I
>have that biologically correct) originate
>
>- Namibia for the sake of its Namib desert and its vast array of gemstones
>
>- Brazil, Minas Gerais, ditto
>
>- Iceland for its volanoes perhaps?
>
>No doubt there are other, many other, "must-see" places; but already I'm
>drifting away from geology, and toward gemstones, which are my own favorite
>pursuit. So I thought I'd put the question out to the list members: if you
>had all the money in the world, and all the time in the world, what would
>be _your_ favorite top ten, or top five, geological sites, and why are they
>important, significant, attractive, worthwhile?
>
>(It just occurs to me that maybe we can get Walt Bowser to do this for
>real...*S*...)
>
>Anyway, let's do some winter dreaming...
>
>Cheers,
>Hans Durstling
>Moncton, Canada
>
>
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 07:16:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm)
Date: Wed Oct 30 07:16:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References:  <3DBFE406.1030507@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <008501c28027$070a7180$9f1cbed8@powertech.net>

Hans -- you *really*  need to see Kilauea!
Margaret
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Westlake" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World


> Here's my "off the top of my head" list:
>
> 1.  Meteor Crater, Arizona
> 2.  San Andres Fault, California
> 3.  Any active volcano
> 4.  Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico (cave formations)
> 5.  Patagonia, Argentina (petrified wood, pinecones, etc.)
> 6.  Madagascar (labradorite, petrified wood and lots of other cool stuff)
> 7.  Gobi Desert, China (dinosaur bones, eggs)
> 8.  Dominican Republic (amber)
> 9.  A South African diamond mine (diamonds!)
> 10. Dorset (?) Lyme Regis, UK (where Mary Anning discovered, excavated,
> studied and sold fossils)
> 11. Giants Causeway, Ireland
> 12. Siccar Point, Scotland (site of James Hutton's unconformity)
>
> Anita Westlake
>
> H.Durstling wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Up here on the Bay of Fundy the days are getting shorter, colder,
cloudier.
> >Winter lies ahead. Damn! - time to flee, time to travel - at least in the
> >mind.
> >
> >So in my imagination I've been putting together my geological dream tour,
> >inventory-ing a sort of top-ten of the geological wonders that, someday,
> >I'd like to visit. My spur of the moment wish list goes like this -
> >
> >- Cave of Swords, for the spectacular gypsum crystal rooms
> >
> >- That salt mine in Poland (what's its name???) where the miners over the
> >centuries
> >  have sculpted an underground cathedral in the solid salt
> >
> >- Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the perfection of its shape and
> >because it was
> >  the first to be recognized as being of extra-terrestial origin
> >
> >- The limestone quarries in Solnhofen, Germany, the source of those
> >mazingly detailed fossils of the archeopterix, the flying lizard (hope I
> >have that biologically correct) originate
> >
> >- Namibia for the sake of its Namib desert and its vast array of
gemstones
> >
> >- Brazil, Minas Gerais, ditto
> >
> >- Iceland for its volanoes perhaps?
> >
> >No doubt there are other, many other, "must-see" places; but already I'm
> >drifting away from geology, and toward gemstones, which are my own
favorite
> >pursuit. So I thought I'd put the question out to the list members: if
you
> >had all the money in the world, and all the time in the world, what would
> >be _your_ favorite top ten, or top five, geological sites, and why are
they
> >important, significant, attractive, worthwhile?
> >
> >(It just occurs to me that maybe we can get Walt Bowser to do this for
> >real...*S*...)
> >
> >Anyway, let's do some winter dreaming...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Hans Durstling
> >Moncton, Canada
> >
> >
> >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 07:38:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown)
Date: Wed Oct 30 07:38:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

It'll be a bit snowy, but I'd opt for the Etta pegmatite mine up in the
Black Hills of South Dakota...single crystals 30 or so feet long.  Way Cool.
gcb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
> [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of H.Durstling
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:40 AM
> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Up here on the Bay of Fundy the days are getting shorter, colder,
> cloudier.
> Winter lies ahead. Damn! - time to flee, time to travel - at least in the
> mind.
>
> So in my imagination I've been putting together my geological dream tour,
> inventory-ing a sort of top-ten of the geological wonders that, someday,
> I'd like to visit. My spur of the moment wish list goes like this -
> .....




From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 07:53:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z)
Date: Wed Oct 30 07:53:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumblers
References: <4c.1422c496.2af0cc0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003601c2802c$5a5dac80$f886f943@7a2wp>

>
> A good middle of the road tumbler would be around 10 pounds..
>


The disadvantage here is that a rotary tumbler has to be at least half full
to function properly. That means starting out 2/3 to 3/4 full, since the
load will shrink as the rocks round off. So, obtaining a sufficient quantity
of decent rock to process may be a problem or an expense with a tumbler that
large. Most folks start off with 1.5 to 3 lb sizes. Just avoid those toy
machines with plastic barrels, as rough rock will cut right through the
barrel (notice that they come with PRE-ROUNDED rock). Lortone machines have
a solid rubber barrel that lasts for years and also cushions most of the
noise.

The other rule of thumb is that the largest rock that will successfully work
in a rotary should be no larger than 1/3 the barrel diameter. Of course
smaller pieces are just fine, and smaller pieces should be mixed with the
largest pieces.

-dan-



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 08:57:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Wed Oct 30 08:57:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumblers
Message-ID: <141.1903364.2af16918@aol.com>

"Most folks start with 1.5 to 3 lb sizes".....

Yes, true and a very good point for most people  .. Yet, sometimes that may 
be why most people who start out tumbling don't continue, as smaller tumblers 
can be limiting and when the mind wants to grow in creativity, especially at 
12 years old..... the pocket book often does not follow, as in purchasing 
another larger tumbler....

Prices of good rock certainly can be a limiting factor.....At $ 5.00 + 
Retail.. per pound, that is $50 + for a 10 pound load.....However, simply 
using less expensive or free rock materials, of similar or softer hardness, 
as Filler Media, can cut costs whenever 100% good quality rock is not 
available for the tumbler ......Also, rockhound garage sales and many rock 
clubs, offer good tumbling rocks from 25 cents to about 1 dollar per pound....

Children loose interest very very quickly these days and doing anything to 
keep their interests focused on something they find positive and exciting, is 
a worthwhile endeavor and initial investment expense..

I think Kingsley North still sells a Model AR-6, on page 8 of their 2002 
catalog, which is a 9 pound tumbler, at a cost of $105., not cheap, but if 
she still does manage to loose interest, you can easily sell it for $50 to 
$60+ dollars and recoup much of what you spent...

Good luck

RnL

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 09:04:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray)
Date: Wed Oct 30 09:04:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <9295110D-EC29-11D6-9066-0050E4FA984A@mac.com>

iceland on snowmobile to visit all its natural hotsprings sounds really=20=

really good. i am thinking april 2005, and have been for a while now....
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 05:39 AM, H.Durstling wrote:

> Iceland for its volanoes perhaps?
Kris Murray
J&M Publishing, Inc.
Publishers of Snoflyer, Snow Tracks, Snow Biz, Tri-Power
220 SW 153rd Street, Burien, Washington 98166
1-877-434-7669 =95 (206) 433-8150 =95 fax 433-8150
www.jm-publishing.com


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 09:13:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray)
Date: Wed Oct 30 09:13:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

hey, do tell more, or where to find more info, please
THX
Well I found a link=20
http://www.dakotamatrix.com/Southdakota/pegmatiteCtoD.htm and another=20
one at
http://www.keystonechamber.com/history.html which tells me its near=20
Keystone SD, but yes, any more info would be nifty!
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 07:37 AM, Gary Brown wrote:

> It'll be a bit snowy, but I'd opt for the Etta pegmatite mine up in =
the
> Black Hills of South Dakota...single crystals 30 or so feet long.  Way=20=

> Cool.
> gcb
Kris Murray
J&M Publishing, Inc.
Publishers of Snoflyer, Snow Tracks, Snow Biz, Tri-Power
220 SW 153rd Street, Burien, Washington 98166
1-877-434-7669 =95 (206) 433-8150 =95 fax 433-8150
www.jm-publishing.com


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 09:22:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Wed Oct 30 09:22:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030071237.020ca180@mail.aloha.net>

Hans,

Margaret is right.  You should include Kilauea.  In fact, you should come 
in body instead of just mind...the lava is still going in the ocean, and 
it's sunny and warm here!

I would add Tasmania (crocoite), and Villa Luz Cave in Tabasco, Mexico, 
that has stalactites called "snottites." (There was a 1-hour program on 
Public TV---probably National Geographic---on that cave recently.  I wanted 
to find out more and was surprised that typing "snottite" into web search 
brought results.  The first time I tried I got a site that had great color 
pictures of the cave.  I just tried again and couldn't find it, but it's 
probably still there somewhere.)

Aloha, Kitty


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 09:39:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua)
Date: Wed Oct 30 09:39:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

	I think a really good addition to the list is Santorini, the Greek
isle that is the remains of the top of an enormous stratovolcano. To get
into the harbor, you sail into the volcanic caldera, surrounded by towering
walls showing the cross-section of overlapping lava flows, ash falls and
pyroclastic flows. Ruined towns are found buried under ash here. You are on
sparkling blue water with dozens of enormous liners and yachts. A new young
volcano has built an island of lava in the middle of the harbor. At the
base of the cliff is a small town and a zig-zag path (or perhaps a burro or
cable car ride if you're tired) leading up to Fira, a fairy tale -like town
perched precariously at the top and along the sides of the cliff. You have
your Greek salad and wine at one of the open air restaurants there,
seemingly suspended in the warm sunny air hundreds of feet above the
harbor. What's not to like?

Dr. William S. Cordua
Professor of Geology/Mineralogy
University of Wisconsin - River Falls
410 South Third Street
River Falls, WI 54022
715-425-3139
william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu
"Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 10:03:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Wed Oct 30 10:03:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030081041.020c9260@mail.aloha.net>

At 07:38 AM 10/30/2002, you wrote:

>         I think a really good addition to the list is Santorini, the Greek
>isle that is the remains of the top of an enormous stratovolcano. 
>   What's not to like?
>
>Dr. William S. Cordua

Thank you, Dr. Cordua, for a wonderful description!  I want Scotty to beam 
me there right now!
Aloha, Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 10:41:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown)
Date: Wed Oct 30 10:41:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Interesting...  I did a search in my MasMils/PLUS database and the "Etta"
doesn't show up as a mine in Pennington County.   I popped my DeLorme TOPO
USA disk and headed over to Keystone and the Etta doesn't show up on their,
either.  If you take a look at an image I created for my eBay auctions of
MasMils/PLUS at:

http://www.catspaw-minerals.com/images/sd_b.jpg

you can see the Peerless mine a little bit to the east of US 16A, SE of
"downtown" Keystone.  If I remember, the Etta was just a little bit south of
there, sort of where those two little roads poke at each other.  Going way
back in my memory to the early 70's when I got my GeolE degree from SD Tech,
you would drive up to the dump and then walk through a short tunnel to the
pit.  On the wall of the pit were gigantic spodumene crystals.  I've still
got a couple of chunks of 'em in my collection.

GcB
Catspaw Minerals
http://www.catspaw-minerals.com
Home of MasMils/PLUS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
> [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kris Murray
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM
> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
>
>
> hey, do tell more, or where to find more info, please
> THX
> Well I found a link
> http://www.dakotamatrix.com/Southdakota/pegmatiteCtoD.htm and another
> one at
> http://www.keystonechamber.com/history.html which tells me its near
> Keystone SD, but yes, any more info would be nifty!


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 13:26:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo)
Date: Wed Oct 30 13:26:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: 

> - Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the
> perfection of its shape and because it was
>   the first to be recognized as being of
> extra-terrestial origin

Been there, done that.  Not worth going back.  Almost not worth going in the
first place.  Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon, and maybe even the Volcanos
nearby are much better sites.

Sedona for the evening, Jerome area if you can get any collecting done...

Very fertile area for a visit.

> - Brazil, Minas Gerais, ditto

Wish I knew more about minerals when I went to Sao Paolo and asked someone to
take me out to where the Amethyst geodes were found.  Got out there.  Wish I
had more money and ability to send back more of what I saw!  Only bought a $20
dome/cathedral.  :-(

But you want a Brazilian with you so they could help you haggle.

Jimmy

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 14:21:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray)
Date: Wed Oct 30 14:21:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

maybe i should inquire within the chamber most times they are very 
helpful or at least will do everything they can to be helpful. How big 
were the gigantic spodumene crystals???
KM
 unless omeone in SD knows any more info....
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 10:40 AM, Gary Brown wrote:

>  If I remember, the Etta was just a little bit south of
> there, sort of where those two little roads poke at each other.  Going 
> way
> back in my memory to the early 70's when I got my GeolE degree from SD 
> Tech,
> you would drive up to the dump and then walk through a short tunnel to 
> the
> pit.  On the wall of the pit were gigantic spodumene crystals.


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 15:33:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.)
Date: Wed Oct 30 15:33:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Cueva de Villa Luz
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030071237.020ca180@mail.aloha.net>
Message-ID: <004101c2806b$ff77ea20$1e5ce5d8@dell>

The NOVA transcript is at this site:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2910_caves.html

An article on extremophiles is located here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/caves/extremophiles.html

Here are some more links:
http://inet2.agiweb.org/agi/geotimes/aug00/acidworld.html
http://www.i-pi.com/~diana/slime/villaluz/snottites/
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2001/pdf/2015.pdf
http://www.gwtc.net/~pisarowi/asnot2.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: Kitty & Bill Heacox
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World

...Villa Luz Cave in Tabasco, Mexico, that has stalactites
called "snottites." (There was a 1-hour program on
Public TV---probably National Geographic---on that cave
recently.  I wanted to find out more and was surprised that
typing "snottite" into web search brought results.


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 15:40:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt)
Date: Wed Oct 30 15:40:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian
References: 
Message-ID: <017101c2806d$a894a660$cdcc94d1@dmschmidt>

If anyone has an email address of Gus in Australia, could they please
forward it off to me.

Or if there are any other Australians on the list, I have a question I need
answered.

Gus...if you are out there, please get in touch with me.

Thanks

Michael



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 15:40:08 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD)
Date: Wed Oct 30 15:40:08 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geologic Wonders
Message-ID: <00fc01c2806e$303a9a20$335d1a43@uswest.net>

After living many places in the world my memory is vivid of the time I =
have spent in and around these geological wonders;

The Grand Canyon in Arizona

The Yosemite valley in California

Crater Lake in Oregon

Standing so close to a fast moving lava flow on the big Island of Hawaii =
that my mustache and eyebrows were burnt!

The Rock of Gibralter

The Columbia River Gorge in Oregon

Yellowstone Park in Wyoming

The Missouri Breaks in Montana


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 16:07:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H)
Date: Wed Oct 30 16:07:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References: 
Message-ID: <3DC0748B.D7DC2CB9@att.net>


Chengi Kuo wrote:
> 
> > - Meteor Crater in Arizona
> 
> Been there, done that.  Not worth going back.  Almost not worth going in the
> first place.  Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon, and maybe even the Volcanos
> nearby are much better sites.

I agree with Jimmy.  I suppose it was cool to see, once, and besides I
needed to take photos of it for my "Astonishing Arizona" lecture
series.  But there is as much info on the web about it as you'll find at
the site.
You can't go down into the crater, of course, and the museum has limited
exhibits.  The gift shop does have some fairly priced meteorite pieces. 
However, along the "Route 66 corridor," as it was once known, there is
so much more to see.  Coming north on I-17 from Phoenix, once continues
north (following local directions and making a few local road changes)
to Sunset Crater National Park and Wupatki National Monument--two sites
in one.  You can walk in and among the volcanic flows, and there are
ranger-guided tours available in season (call ahead).  Wupatki has one
of the most interesting groups of pueblo ruins available to the public
in such a small area.  Unfortunately they have polluted the site with
neo-revisionist-leftwing-anti-archaeological propaganda (let me tell you
how I really feel), but it is magnificent none the less.  This area can
occupy a whole peaceful day of enjoying crisp air, amazing scenery, and
fantastic ruins.  Turning south and through Flagstaff, moving east along
I-40, one soon sees Walnut Creek Canyon, another pueblo ruin: but this
one is stunning for the fact that the natives built their dwellings
along the stark sides of a steep canyon.  Again, both the scenery and
the ruins are spectacular, and I do not use that word lightly.  Be
prepared for a lot of difficult walking--something that makes you
appreciate the daily predicament of the people who actually lived there
without benefit of paved trails and stairs.  Driving a little further
east, one passes Meteor Crater, and perhaps goes there, but we've
discussed that already.  A little east beyond that, Homolovi ruins tempt
the visitor; but these are pueblos without much geologic wonder or
scenery to recommend them.  This is also where I was fired upon, bullets
whizzing by me as I tried to photograph a very old Anasazi pot that was
exposed in the ground.  As one drives till further east, the landscape
is dotted with the roadside remnants of post World War II Americana:
tourist shops, gaudy billboards, the remainder of tiny towns like Twin
Arrows and Two Guns (I almost cried when they shut down), some wonderful
roadside geology and collecting opportunties, well-placed rest stops
with genuine scenic geology to be enjoyed as well--oh yes, get yourself
a copy of "Roadside Geology of Arizona," it documents this stretch of
road quite thoroughly, by mile marker, though I recommend caution when
hitting the brakes and swinging off the road to see something, because
someone might rear-end you at 95 mph--until one sees signs for the Holy
Grail of Arizona wonders, the Petrified Forest.  I recommend turning
south toward Holbrook and entering via the south entrance, stopping
first at the gift shops to get all the petrified wood you could want as
cheaply as you're going to get it (unless you hook up with somebody that
lets you dig on private land, or find a public site that you can be sure
is public; but I find it easier and cheaper to pick through their vast
selections of rough wood in piles out back.  Bring gloves!)  Enter the
park, and after being chastised a million times by rangers and signs not
to pick up even the tiniest fragment of wood, allow the dazzling scenery
to wash over you.  Geology, fossils, petrified wood, petroglyphs,
ruins--including a pueblo made entirely from petrified wood!--it's all
here in tremendous quantity.  It's like three, three, three parks in
one.  Actually, more like four parks--because the Painted Desert is the
last sight you'll see before looping back on to I-40.  The colors are
beyond words and though I have a few good photographs, I must admit that
I could not entirely capture the majesty of the vistas, one of the
greatest disappointments of my photographic career.  Seeing the Painted
Desert after spending the day in the Petrified Forest is like sipping a
fine brandy and listening to chamber music after a leisurely gourmet
meal.  I have been through the park system three times and see something
new each time.  One might continue further east on I-40 toward New
Mexico and see even more, but that's as far as I've been on that road.

I have written all this from memory, and when I review this e-mail, I
realize I have given a good portion of my lecture, without the slides! 
It is quite possible I made a few small mistakes in place names and
locations, but anyone with Internet access and the ability to use a
search engine can find the exact details about anything I've mentioned.

Jimmy spoke of Sedona.  It is considered the poor man's Grand Canyon, or
Grand Canyon south, or some such thing: but do not let the cute names
fool you, it is also a stunning place, and a drive through Oak Creek
Canyon, weather permitting and your audacity as a driver allowing, is
not to me missed.  Jerome is also nice, and Jimmy mentioned collecting,
but I wasn't aware of any place to collect there!

I just love love love Arizona.  You can see everything from majestic
snow-capped peaks to ancient lava flows to steep canyons and broiling
desert that reeks of new telephone poles (creosote, for the
uninitiated); and of course the famous Saguaro cacti of the Sonoran
Desert.  Oh yes, the Sonoran Desert: there is a fine museum/zoo there,
plus park land to wander.  One thing I regret is that I still haven't
made it to Bisbee and the Chiricahua National Monument (maybe spelled
"Chiracahua"; check it out).  Oh, starting from Phoenix, east on 60
through Apache Junction and toward Superior, passing through the
Superstition Mountains and Apache Leap (mysteriously missing the sign
for years now; probably more political correctness); one of the most
interesting local experiences is trying to collect obsidian in perlite
("Apache Tears") and determining whether the site is or is not open, and
where it is, and whether or not you'll get arrested or perhaps shot if
you try to go there . . . if you haven't tried it, you won't
understand.  This is copper country, and the famous Ray Mine is not far
away, a giant gash in the earth so deep that huge mega-trucks at the
bottom look smaller than matchbox cars.  

There is just so much more.  And no, I'm not from Arizona, and I don't
live there now (though I regret that); I was assigned there in 1996 for
4 months, and loved it so much I've been back 3 times since.

Enjoy whatever you do,

Don

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 16:39:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Wed Oct 30 16:39:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian
In-Reply-To: <017101c2806d$a894a660$cdcc94d1@dmschmidt>
References: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030144649.02171cf0@mail.aloha.net>

At 01:39 PM 10/30/2002, you wrote:
>....
>
>Or if there are any other Australians on the list, I have a question I need
>answered....
>
>Michael

You might try Les Tennent at one of the addresses below:

lesrock@dodo.com.au
lerock@netlink.com.au

Aloha, Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 17:11:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead)
Date: Wed Oct 30 17:11:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Akaroa
References:  
Message-ID: <3DC0856C.6E6B@rcn.com>

Ah...

Add

Akaroa
South Island
New Zealand

Starting from Akaroa, take the catamaran trip around the 'bay' of the
sunken caldera(s?) with and opening to the sea (boat does not go that
far) is great.....  the walls, old flows....... arches...... wow!

and you might see (different) dolphins, or penguins, or a whale ..

MANY!!!! old lava flows, tubes, volcanoes above Flagstaff, AZ - great!!

..GeorgiaO
__ .. -- .. __ .. -- .. __

I think a really good addition to the list is Santorini, the Greek
> isle that is the remains of the top of an enormous stratovolcano. To get
> into the harbor, you sail into the volcanic caldera, surrounded by towering
> walls showing the cross-section of overlapping lava flows, ash falls and
> pyroclastic flows. Ruined towns are found buried under ash here. You are on
> sparkling blue water with dozens of enormous liners and yachts. A new young
> volcano has built an island of lava in the middle of the harbor. At the
> base of the cliff is a small town and a zig-zag path (or perhaps a burro or
> cable car ride if you're tired) leading up to Fira, a fairy tale -like town
> perched precariously at the top and along the sides of the cliff. You have
> your Greek salad and wine at one of the open air restaurants there,
> seemingly suspended in the warm sunny air hundreds of feet above the
> harbor. What's not to like?
> 
> Dr. William S. Cordua
> Professor of Geology/Mineralogy
> University of Wisconsin - River Falls
> 410 South Third Street
> River Falls, WI 54022
> 715-425-3139
> william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu
> "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8
> 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 17:19:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead)
Date: Wed Oct 30 17:19:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumble / vibrate
References: <141.1903364.2af16918@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DC08770.1D8@rcn.com>

Hello

Thank you for your help.

What can you tell me about "tumbling" tumblers

versus

"vibrating"  tumblers???

I have a vibrating tumbler -- Gy-Roc "B"  (by Tagit)

...can stack containers, to use more than one...

Have not used it to do much.

GeorgiaO

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 17:38:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead)
Date: Wed Oct 30 17:38:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Akaroa, view and...
Message-ID: <3DC08BC2.C30@rcn.com>

http://www.nz-holiday.co.nz/akaroa/

site

Akaroa, New Zealand -- Banks
Peninsula, Canterbury, South
Island, New Zealand

picture of a small part of the harbor 
-- 'French' town of Akaroa...

...
rare Hector dolphins

GeorgiaO


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 18:04:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD)
Date: Wed Oct 30 18:04:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Sao Paolo
Message-ID: <006b01c28082$4dced6a0$83e71843@uswest.net>

Jimmy / Chengi Kuo

   You wote only briefly about going out from Sao Paolo to the amethyst =
geode site.  Can you please describe in detail the environment and the =
geology.  I have been looking and working with this material for years =
and have never had a clear understanding of the geological history and =
what the place looks like now.  One or two pics, if you have them, would =
be invaluable.  Please repost with details!

Danny Steward / Seattle


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 18:23:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Wed Oct 30 18:23:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumble / vibrate
Message-ID: <163.167fc859.2af1edf5@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/30/02 5:19:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
folmstead@rcn.com writes:

> "tumbling" tumblers
> 
> versus
> 
> "vibrating"  tumblers???
> 
That is a good question. Rotary tumblers take longer to polish rocks. I've 
always wondered if vibrating tumblers are more energy efficient. Does anybody 
know? I travel a lot, one or two week trips, and a few times I've let my 
Lortone rotary tumbler continue to run for up to 10 days -- totally 
unattended. It is in a safe place but it could blow a fuse or something. I 
started with the coarse grit and let it run until it was ready for prepolish. 
I've been told vibrating tumblers need more frequent attention --which makes 
sense if it is polishing faster.

Any other opinions out there?

Grant


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 18:31:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown)
Date: Wed Oct 30 18:31:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I seem to remember them being at least 10 or so metres long, at least...

gcb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
> [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kris Murray
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:21 PM
> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
> 
> 
> maybe i should inquire within the chamber most times they are very 
> helpful or at least will do everything they can to be helpful. How big 
> were the gigantic spodumene crystals???
> KM

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 18:44:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards)
Date: Wed Oct 30 18:44:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Hi Rockhounds,

I am faced with helping evaluate the estate of a person who was a lapidarist at some level as yet to be determined - the word is that there is a pickup truck or two's worth of stuff to "move".  From talking with the executor, I would judge it is mostly tumbling and cabachon material - mineral specimens probably limited to a few geodes, and no faceted stones or obvious rough for same that were mentioned.  I am a mineral specimen collector, and my knowledge of the current market for the materials I will likely encounter in this estate is what might be called fuzzy....

Can folks suggest current price  ballparks for standard agate slabs rough-sawed, cabachon rough, apache tears, tumbling stock before and after tumbling etc etc?  I know this will depend on this and that and the other thing and besides..., but I'm looking for a rough ballpark here.  Probably on a per pound basis....

Websites in the Midwest (Ohio specifically) that offer such items would be a good point of reference, if someone can point me to one or more.

Thanks in the interest of keeping maybe decent stuff from going in the landfill...
Pete Richards

p.s. My standard comment on the value of mineral specimens is that they are worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for them, and that that is proportional to the time you are willing to work trying to sell them.  That's true, but ultimately not very helpful in this situation!

--------------------------------------------------------------------
R. Peter Richards
rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu

Mineral collector
Crystallographer
SHAPE for the Macintosh



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 19:06:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski)
Date: Wed Oct 30 19:06:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumble / vibrate
References: <163.167fc859.2af1edf5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DC09DED.44AB@Tomaszewski.net>

Lapadary@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/30/02 5:19:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> folmstead@rcn.com writes:
> 
> > "tumbling" tumblers
> >
> > versus
> >
> > "vibrating"  tumblers???
> >
> That is a good question. Rotary tumblers take longer to polish rocks. I've
> always wondered if vibrating tumblers are more energy efficient. Does anybody
> know? I travel a lot, one or two week trips, and a few times I've let my
> Lortone rotary tumbler continue to run for up to 10 days -- totally
> unattended. It is in a safe place but it could blow a fuse or something. I
> started with the coarse grit and let it run until it was ready for prepolish.
> I've been told vibrating tumblers need more frequent attention --which makes
> sense if it is polishing faster.
> 
> Any other opinions out there?

Rotary tumblers are simple machines with less mechanical stress involved
and should last longer; they also tend to be cheaper to purchase (or
make) and operate. Rotary tumblers don't do slabs well, but they do
scale up to large sizes.

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 19:27:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Wed Oct 30 19:27:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
In-Reply-To: <3DBEC888.5D8C7F82@gmx.de>
Message-ID: 

Thanks to all for the mineral calendar ideas. If anyone has anymore ideas,
please let me know.

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
President and webmaster
North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)

Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/


-----Original Message-----
From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Juergen
Wachsmuth
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:43 AM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar


www.lapis.de

Greetings
Jürgen Wachsmuth
Ulm - Germany

Bob Loeffler schrieb:

> Hi all,
>
> Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003 calendar
> with pictures
> of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Loeffler
> President and webmaster
> North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
> and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
>
> Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
> To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
> Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
>
> I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
> crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
> anyone sell it?
>
> Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
> at pciszek@pobox.com
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 19:32:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Wed Oct 30 19:32:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: <20021030.222837.-776245.0.grubsnorb@juno.com>

The beautiful greek islands of the Agean Sea are not to be missed 
by any world traveler. See www.santorini.net for a trully great armchair
visit to this island and its geologic history.
Tom


On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:38:19 -0600 "William S. Cordua"
 writes:
> 	I think a really good addition to the list is Santorini, the 
> Greek
> isle that is the remains of the top of an enormous stratovolcano. To 
> get
> into the harbor, you sail into the volcanic caldera, surrounded by 
> towering
> walls showing the cross-section of overlapping lava flows, ash falls 
> and
> pyroclastic flows. Ruined towns are found buried under ash here. You 
> are on
> sparkling blue water with dozens of enormous liners and yachts. A 
> new young
> volcano has built an island of lava in the middle of the harbor. At 
> the
> base of the cliff is a small town and a zig-zag path (or perhaps a 
> burro or
> cable car ride if you're tired) leading up to Fira, a fairy tale 
> -like town
> perched precariously at the top and along the sides of the cliff. 
> You have
> your Greek salad and wine at one of the open air restaurants there,
> seemingly suspended in the warm sunny air hundreds of feet above the
> harbor. What's not to like?
> 
> Dr. William S. Cordua
> Professor of Geology/Mineralogy
> University of Wisconsin - River Falls
> 410 South Third Street
> River Falls, WI 54022
> 715-425-3139
> william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu
> "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8
> 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 19:38:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Wed Oct 30 19:38:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
Message-ID: <16f.1662c43c.2af1ff59@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/30/02 6:44:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu writes:

> 
> Thanks in the interest of keeping maybe decent stuff from going in the 
> landfill...

Hi Pete,

That's a nice problem to have. I guess you get to rockhound a rock hounds 
back yard. Without knowing what is there my best suggestion is a search on E 
Bay. Or subscribe to roughforsale@yahoogroups.com. 

Bob's Rock Shop http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/table.html#rocknet

has free ads too.

 Another consideration is shipping. At the United Parcel site you can enter 
weight and zip codes 



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 20:01:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer)
Date: Wed Oct 30 20:01:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: <3DC0748B.D7DC2CB9@att.net>
Message-ID: 

I agree Meteor crator isn't that interesting, they used to let you go down
to the bottom tho, not that there was anything to see. But Petrified Forest
can be difficult for rockhounds. We showed up at the gate with a couple
hundred pounds of rocks we had already picked up. This almost caused a
ranger overload situation since they wanted to tag each piece going into the
park and check each piece going out. The ranger just staggered around
mumbling "It does not compute!" and finally just gave us a note to show the
ranger at the exit station saying we had a lot of rocks going in. Great park
especially if you walk the trails.

Bryan



> > > - Meteor Crater in Arizona
> >
> > Been there, done that.  Not worth going back.  Almost not worth
> going in the
> > first place.  Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon, and maybe even
> the Volcanos
> > nearby are much better sites.
>
> I agree with Jimmy.  I suppose it was cool to see, once, and besides I
> needed to take photos of it for my "Astonishing Arizona" lecture
> series.  But there is as much info on the web about it as you'll find at
>



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 20:12:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters)
Date: Wed Oct 30 20:12:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References:  <3DC0748B.D7DC2CB9@att.net>
Message-ID: <3DC0AE5E.B65B37B0@cox.net>

Don,
Great treatise on Arizona, I second everything you say. Try for Bisbee
next trip. I spent time there with  my grandsons. We camped out in my
van and we were in the Post Office parking lot. The two of them
scampered up the incline below the freeway and started "digging" they
brought back a great piece of turquoise and another of dendritic
material. When building that freeway they must have trucked in fill from
where ever, that made a field trip for the boys. I saw my first Scorpion
in Bisbee. No more please.

Thanks,
Teresa


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 20:28:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters)
Date: Wed Oct 30 20:28:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geologic Wonders
References: <00fc01c2806e$303a9a20$335d1a43@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <3DC0B226.E33B7E1@cox.net>

Some of my actual visual wonders,

Victoria Falls

Ngorogoro Crater

San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina

King Solomon's Mines

Caverns, Carlsbad, Luray, Sweet Water, Mammoth, Bristol, and one in New
Zealand where a full orchestra in boats played a concert on an
underground lake!

Spectacular Bays, Queens Necklace in India, Guanabara in Brazil, San
Francisco,

Sunrise over Anapurna

Nepal

100,000 miles driving across these here United States, National Parks,
Monuments, Battle Grounds.

It has been a wonderful life and there is much more to come.
Teresa


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 20:30:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters)
Date: Wed Oct 30 20:30:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian
References:  <017101c2806d$a894a660$cdcc94d1@dmschmidt>
Message-ID: <3DC0B289.3F9C6DEC@cox.net>

Gus



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 20:46:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Wed Oct 30 20:46:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: <20021030.234336.-776245.1.grubsnorb@juno.com>

Don, your summary of your Arizona experiences is marvelous. I have been 
to some of the places including the Petrified Forest area which is worthy
of every
word you have used to describe it. I hope to retire to the Jerome area in
a few years 
(can't afford Sedona !)
Thank you for your description
Tom

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 23:13:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo)
Date: Wed Oct 30 23:13:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Sao Paolo
Message-ID: 

I'm sorry.  But I visited before I started addressing myself to studying about
rocks and minerals.  At the time, I only knew that all those geodes came from
Brazil.

And I slept the way there in the car.  But I do recall much driving along
mountain sides.

Jimmy

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:00:30 -0800 DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD 
wrote:

> Jimmy / Chengi Kuo
> 
>    You wote only briefly about going out from
> Sao Paolo to the amethyst geode site.  Can you
> please describe in detail the environment and
> the geology.  I have been looking and working
> with this material for years and have never had
> a clear understanding of the geological history
> and what the place looks like now.  One or two
> pics, if you have them, would be invaluable. 
> Please repost with details!
> 
> Danny Steward / Seattle
> 
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Wed Oct 30 23:17:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt)
Date: Wed Oct 30 23:17:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Sao Paolo
References: 
Message-ID: <006e01c280ad$96a52ca0$59c694d1@dmschmidt>

I don't know if anyone knows this or not, but the Brazillians have developed
a very ingenious way of popping open the amethyst geodes........

Is there anyone out there who might be able to guess how this is done?

It's quite interesting, actually........

let's see if anyone can hazard a guess...or even know for sure!



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 00:04:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 00:04:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock Sales estimate costs
Message-ID: <9.1316f46.2af23ddb@aol.com>

Selling rock collections is a very difficult task and takes years of 
experience to estimate costs appropriately and sometimes the actual time 
invested is not worth it the overall effort, depending on how much free time 
you have

Even here California, where the money is, nearly all rock sales sell their 
material for from 10 cents to 50 cents per pound for about 90 + percent of 
the materials... 

The remainder sell for about $1 to $2 per pound max.... A very small 
percentage of TOP grade stuff may go for more, but only if the right buyers 
are present...

Trying to sell hundreds of rocks is like trying to sell hundreds of 
cars...What type of car is it ?  Make, model year......... How many cars of 
that model were made in that year..? Are the cars still being made / mined 
......What condition is the car in ?... mint or good or fair or poor 
or...."Leavitrite" condition...........? ? ? ?

RnL  

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 00:48:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Sorrell)
Date: Thu Oct 31 00:48:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian
Message-ID: <200210310847.g9V8l8QK024547@bubbleator.drizzle.com>

Hi Michael

Gus' email is magnetstogo@yahoo.com

I might also be able to help. What's your query?

Regards
Steve

------- Original Message --------
From: dmschmidt@sprint.ca
To: "rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com"
CC:
Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian
Date: 30/10/02 11:10


If anyone has an email address of Gus in Australia, could they please
forward it off to me.

Or if there are any other Australians on the list, I have a question I need
answered.

Gus...if you are out there, please get in touch with me.

Thanks

Michael


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 00:59:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo)
Date: Thu Oct 31 00:59:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: 

[about which direction to approach Petrified Forest], Don mentioned:
>I recommend turning south toward Holbrook and 
>entering via the south entrance, stopping
>first at the gift shops to get all the 
>petrified wood you could want as cheaply as 
>you're going to get it.

Don had wonderful insight into visitng Arizona.  And we can all tell how much
he loves this land.

I personally went from the north to avoid the hassle of park rangers.  Then
after the park, the drive back to Holbrook, you can stop along the road
anywhere over any dry creek and pick up little pieces of petrified wood, just
to have a couple.  It's only symbolic.  You still want to get the real pieces
from the stores anyway.  :-)

But absolutely, for anyone who hasn't done it.  One week.  Use Flagstaff or
Sedona as your home base.  And see the wonders of Arizona.  See the beautiful
country of ours.

Jimmy

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 04:25:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake)
Date: Thu Oct 31 04:25:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References:  <3DC0748B.D7DC2CB9@att.net>
Message-ID: <3DC12086.7060800@emory.edu>

Don:
  Thanks for your beautiful trip down memory lane. I enjoyed the brief 
respite from my daily grind in the big city.
We have beautiful vistas here in Atlanta,  but only if you're in a 
skyscraper. We've got so many trees that vistas are hard to come by.

Anita

Don H wrote:

>
>Chengi Kuo wrote:
>
>>>- Meteor Crater in Arizona
>>>
>>Been there, done that.  Not worth going back.  Almost not worth going in the
>>first place.  Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon, and maybe even the Volcanos
>>nearby are much better sites.
>>
>
>I agree with Jimmy.  I suppose it was cool to see, once, and besides I
>needed to take photos of it for my "Astonishing Arizona" lecture
>series.  But there is as much info on the web about it as you'll find at
>the site.
>You can't go down into the crater, of course, and the museum has limited
>exhibits.  The gift shop does have some fairly priced meteorite pieces. 
>However, along the "Route 66 corridor," as it was once known, there is
>so much more to see.  Coming north on I-17 from Phoenix, once continues
>north (following local directions and making a few local road changes)
>to Sunset Crater National Park and Wupatki National Monument--two sites
>in one.  You can walk in and among the volcanic flows, and there are
>ranger-guided tours available in season (call ahead).  Wupatki has one
>of the most interesting groups of pueblo ruins available to the public
>in such a small area.  Unfortunately they have polluted the site with
>neo-revisionist-leftwing-anti-archaeological propaganda (let me tell you
>how I really feel), but it is magnificent none the less.  This area can
>occupy a whole peaceful day of enjoying crisp air, amazing scenery, and
>fantastic ruins.  Turning south and through Flagstaff, moving east along
>I-40, one soon sees Walnut Creek Canyon, another pueblo ruin: but this
>one is stunning for the fact that the natives built their dwellings
>along the stark sides of a steep canyon.  Again, both the scenery and
>the ruins are spectacular, and I do not use that word lightly.  Be
>prepared for a lot of difficult walking--something that makes you
>appreciate the daily predicament of the people who actually lived there
>without benefit of paved trails and stairs.  Driving a little further
>east, one passes Meteor Crater, and perhaps goes there, but we've
>discussed that already.  A little east beyond that, Homolovi ruins tempt
>the visitor; but these are pueblos without much geologic wonder or
>scenery to recommend them.  This is also where I was fired upon, bullets
>whizzing by me as I tried to photograph a very old Anasazi pot that was
>exposed in the ground.  As one drives till further east, the landscape
>is dotted with the roadside remnants of post World War II Americana:
>tourist shops, gaudy billboards, the remainder of tiny towns like Twin
>Arrows and Two Guns (I almost cried when they shut down), some wonderful
>roadside geology and collecting opportunties, well-placed rest stops
>with genuine scenic geology to be enjoyed as well--oh yes, get yourself
>a copy of "Roadside Geology of Arizona," it documents this stretch of
>road quite thoroughly, by mile marker, though I recommend caution when
>hitting the brakes and swinging off the road to see something, because
>someone might rear-end you at 95 mph--until one sees signs for the Holy
>Grail of Arizona wonders, the Petrified Forest.  I recommend turning
>south toward Holbrook and entering via the south entrance, stopping
>first at the gift shops to get all the petrified wood you could want as
>cheaply as you're going to get it (unless you hook up with somebody that
>lets you dig on private land, or find a public site that you can be sure
>is public; but I find it easier and cheaper to pick through their vast
>selections of rough wood in piles out back.  Bring gloves!)  Enter the
>park, and after being chastised a million times by rangers and signs not
>to pick up even the tiniest fragment of wood, allow the dazzling scenery
>to wash over you.  Geology, fossils, petrified wood, petroglyphs,
>ruins--including a pueblo made entirely from petrified wood!--it's all
>here in tremendous quantity.  It's like three, three, three parks in
>one.  Actually, more like four parks--because the Painted Desert is the
>last sight you'll see before looping back on to I-40.  The colors are
>beyond words and though I have a few good photographs, I must admit that
>I could not entirely capture the majesty of the vistas, one of the
>greatest disappointments of my photographic career.  Seeing the Painted
>Desert after spending the day in the Petrified Forest is like sipping a
>fine brandy and listening to chamber music after a leisurely gourmet
>meal.  I have been through the park system three times and see something
>new each time.  One might continue further east on I-40 toward New
>Mexico and see even more, but that's as far as I've been on that road.
>
>I have written all this from memory, and when I review this e-mail, I
>realize I have given a good portion of my lecture, without the slides! 
>It is quite possible I made a few small mistakes in place names and
>locations, but anyone with Internet access and the ability to use a
>search engine can find the exact details about anything I've mentioned.
>
>Jimmy spoke of Sedona.  It is considered the poor man's Grand Canyon, or
>Grand Canyon south, or some such thing: but do not let the cute names
>fool you, it is also a stunning place, and a drive through Oak Creek
>Canyon, weather permitting and your audacity as a driver allowing, is
>not to me missed.  Jerome is also nice, and Jimmy mentioned collecting,
>but I wasn't aware of any place to collect there!
>
>I just love love love Arizona.  You can see everything from majestic
>snow-capped peaks to ancient lava flows to steep canyons and broiling
>desert that reeks of new telephone poles (creosote, for the
>uninitiated); and of course the famous Saguaro cacti of the Sonoran
>Desert.  Oh yes, the Sonoran Desert: there is a fine museum/zoo there,
>plus park land to wander.  One thing I regret is that I still haven't
>made it to Bisbee and the Chiricahua National Monument (maybe spelled
>"Chiracahua"; check it out).  Oh, starting from Phoenix, east on 60
>through Apache Junction and toward Superior, passing through the
>Superstition Mountains and Apache Leap (mysteriously missing the sign
>for years now; probably more political correctness); one of the most
>interesting local experiences is trying to collect obsidian in perlite
>("Apache Tears") and determining whether the site is or is not open, and
>where it is, and whether or not you'll get arrested or perhaps shot if
>you try to go there . . . if you haven't tried it, you won't
>understand.  This is copper country, and the famous Ray Mine is not far
>away, a giant gash in the earth so deep that huge mega-trucks at the
>bottom look smaller than matchbox cars.  
>
>There is just so much more.  And no, I'm not from Arizona, and I don't
>live there now (though I regret that); I was assigned there in 1996 for
>4 months, and loved it so much I've been back 3 times since.
>
>Enjoy whatever you do,
>
>Don
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From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 05:19:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Sao Paolo
Message-ID: <200210311318.g9VDIuM13345@mail.storm.ca>

Danny:
  Perhaps I can help, the following is a rough translation from 
"Metalogênese do Brasil" (Dardenne and Schobbenhaus) ISDN 85-230-0647-8
(Portuguese)-highly recommended if you can read the language as it summarizes 
both metallic and non-metallic deposits.  Included are the Ouro Preto topaz 
mines, Emerald from Nova Era, Tourmaline and Aquas from Aracuai and Teofilo 
Otoni in Minas Gerais in addition to the Rio Grande do Sul amethysts:

"this region represents a series of lava flows of basaltic and andesitic 
compostion, subhorizontal, of varying thickness from 15-20m at the borders, to 
60m in the sentral part, including interfingered lenses of aeolian sand.  The 
amethyst deposits are associated with the fifth flow, which has the following 
sequence:

1 Basal horizontal zone, fine grained with distinct horizontal fracturing

2 Intermediate zone with well-spaced vertical fractures

3 Mineralized zone, characterized by a dark grey massive basalt of 2-3 metre 
thickness with irregularly distributed geodes scaling from millimetres to 
centimetres.  These geodes are composed of chalcedony, colourless quartz, 
amethyst, with secondary calcite and zeolites.  The geodes have an external 
coating of dark green chalcedonite.

4 Horizontal cap, thickness about 1 metre, composed of fine grained basalt, 
intensely fractured horizontally (fractures spaced millimetres to centimetres 
apart)

5 Amygdaloidal zone of 3 metre thickness, with abundant vesicules and amygdules 
from millimeters to a few centimetres in size, filled with green chalcedonite, 
clear quartz and chalcedony

6 Brecciated zone from 3-4 metres in thickness separating the mineral bearing 
flow from the next one.  This zone is composed of angular fragments of 
amygdaliodal basalt and silicified sand in a silicified matrix. The uppermost 
part frequently has a tabular reddish horizon, very fine grained from 2-30 cm 
in thickness.

The origin of the amethyst geodes is related to the assimilation of silica from 
the sandy layers dissolved by superheated water during the crystalization of 
the basalt."

The vulcanism relates tectonically to the rifting prior to the opening of the 
south Atlantic and is of Cretaceous age.

  Incidentally, I haven't been to these deposits (Rio Grande do Sul), but I 
have been to the Curaça, Bahia, and the Marabá,Pará (Alta Bonita) deposits.( 
The latter is hosted by a quartzite, and is the result of hydrothermal 
activity.  I am actually currently working within 50 km (but a 2 1/2 hour drive)
of that garimpo. I like it due to the much larger crystals.  The Marabá 
material also makes good citrine if you're into that.

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 05:36:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 05:36:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: <17E16E54.2F52DBAE.02180873@aol.com>

You might want to cinsider the Chino Valley area, Prescott etc. too.
Gene Hartstein

In a message dated 10/30/2002 11:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, grubsnorb@juno.com writes:

>Don, your summary of your Arizona experiences is marvelous. I have been 
>to some of the places including the Petrified Forest area which is worthy
>of every
>word you have used to describe it. I hope to retire to the Jerome area in
>a few years 
>(can't afford Sedona !)
>Thank you for your description
>Tom
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 06:36:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann)
Date: Thu Oct 31 06:36:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References: <17E16E54.2F52DBAE.02180873@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c280ec$102fcb00$99ab77d5@pandora.be>

If you wanna see somethin' that REALLY rocks, try the Belgian Parliament.
While you're here you could visit the old coalmines at Bernissart where a
whole herd of iguanodons was found in mint condition. The caves at
Han-sur-Lesse or Rochefort are nice too.
Did I mention already that we have beer too?

Axel Emmermann
Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen
Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties
Home : Lobbesplein 12
            B-2640 Mortsel
            Belgium
Tel:      +32 (0)3 295.35.54
E-mail:
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Visit our homepage:
http://www.minerant.org/index.html
Bezoek onze web-site:
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html
My own web-site:
http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm
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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World


| You might want to cinsider the Chino Valley area, Prescott etc. too.
| Gene Hartstein
|
| In a message dated 10/30/2002 11:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
grubsnorb@juno.com writes:
|
| >Don, your summary of your Arizona experiences is marvelous. I have been
| >to some of the places including the Petrified Forest area which is worthy
| >of every
| >word you have used to describe it. I hope to retire to the Jerome area in
| >a few years
| >(can't afford Sedona !)
| >Thank you for your description
| >Tom
| >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 07:00:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 07:00:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
Message-ID: 

Dear Pete,

As you know, one of the hats I wear is as an appraiser of mineral and related 
material. The appraisal of material is related to how much time you have to 
settle the estate. Each and every piece has value and if a lot is assigned a 
value, for example, it is likely to be less than the price assignable to 
pieces sold separately. It is difficult to assign values to materials by 
remote control, even with pictures. Agate can sell for hundreds of dollars a 
slab if the size, color, pattern, freedom from cracks, location, etc., are 
considered. I think the record price for an agate slab was $15,000, but there 
may be higher prices that are generally unknown. There are undoubtedly agate 
slabs which are not worth the cost of wear and tear of the blade used to cut 
them.

Local club auctions are reasonable ways to distribute material you are 
unfamiliar with as the bidders should have a level of expertise. Again, if 
the estate needs to be settled quickly, auction of a large amount of material 
would saturate the needs, desire, and available money of a small audience and 
several auctions, widely spaced in time, would net a better cost recovery. Of 
course, the estate should be split up so that roughly the same amount of 
quality is present in each auction.

If there is a knowledgeable person available, you could have a private 
mineral show. About 15 years ago, several local lapidaries and collectors had 
collections for sale, so I suggested we have a local mineral show. We 
advertised regionally to clubs, had a speaker, local advertising, etc., and 
moved a lot of stuff. One collector opted to discount items at the end of the 
show and there were successive discounts offered on the lower end material: 
50% off, 75% off, 90% off.  We had a number of club members offer their 
duplicates and all in all the sale was a success. We had work sessions 
pricing specimens, gems, fossils, etc. The project also invigorated the three 
clubs involved. It wasn't up to the standards of a commercial show, but it 
was fun and profitable.

Van

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 07:05:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt)
Date: Thu Oct 31 07:05:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
References: 
Message-ID: <00b901c280ee$ef0d6740$76cc94d1@dmschmidt>

I know a dealer who sold a fire agate cab for $20,000.....
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] how much it costs


> Dear Pete,
>
> As you know, one of the hats I wear is as an appraiser of mineral and
related
> material. The appraisal of material is related to how much time you have
to
> settle the estate. Each and every piece has value and if a lot is assigned
a
> value, for example, it is likely to be less than the price assignable to
> pieces sold separately. It is difficult to assign values to materials by
> remote control, even with pictures. Agate can sell for hundreds of dollars
a
> slab if the size, color, pattern, freedom from cracks, location, etc., are
> considered. I think the record price for an agate slab was $15,000, but
there
> may be higher prices that are generally unknown. There are undoubtedly
agate
> slabs which are not worth the cost of wear and tear of the blade used to
cut
> them.
>
> Local club auctions are reasonable ways to distribute material you are
> unfamiliar with as the bidders should have a level of expertise. Again, if
> the estate needs to be settled quickly, auction of a large amount of
material
> would saturate the needs, desire, and available money of a small audience
and
> several auctions, widely spaced in time, would net a better cost recovery.
Of
> course, the estate should be split up so that roughly the same amount of
> quality is present in each auction.
>
> If there is a knowledgeable person available, you could have a private
> mineral show. About 15 years ago, several local lapidaries and collectors
had
> collections for sale, so I suggested we have a local mineral show. We
> advertised regionally to clubs, had a speaker, local advertising, etc.,
and
> moved a lot of stuff. One collector opted to discount items at the end of
the
> show and there were successive discounts offered on the lower end
material:
> 50% off, 75% off, 90% off.  We had a number of club members offer their
> duplicates and all in all the sale was a success. We had work sessions
> pricing specimens, gems, fossils, etc. The project also invigorated the
three
> clubs involved. It wasn't up to the standards of a commercial show, but it
> was fun and profitable.
>
> Van
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 07:07:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.)
Date: Thu Oct 31 07:07:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Cueva de Villa Luz
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030071237.020ca180@mail.aloha.net> <004101c2806b$ff77ea20$1e5ce5d8@dell>
Message-ID: <003f01c280ee$7cea5920$ac5ce5d8@dell>

This article describes the cave and includes a map and a few
photos:
http://www.caves.org/pub/journal/PDF/V61/v61n1-Hose.pdf

This web page has slides and a list of articles:
http://www.gwtc.net/~pisarowi/

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20021014/D7MLCIB00.html
http://www.norwebster.com/speleoscope/speleo02.html
http://www.showcaves.com/english/mx/caves/VillaLuz.html
http://www.deskandderrick.org/january_program_recap.htm


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 07:17:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake)
Date: Thu Oct 31 07:17:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
References:  <00b901c280ee$ef0d6740$76cc94d1@dmschmidt>
Message-ID: <3DC148CA.90801@emory.edu>

Wow, for that price I'll bet the whole taxi was made out of agate! (Get 
it? Cab....Taxi?) :-)
Anita

Michael Schmidt wrote:

>I know a dealer who sold a fire agate cab for $20,000.....
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
>
>
>>Dear Pete,
>>
>>As you know, one of the hats I wear is as an appraiser of mineral and
>>
>related
>
>>material. The appraisal of material is related to how much time you have
>>
>to
>
>>settle the estate. Each and every piece has value and if a lot is assigned
>>
>a
>
>>value, for example, it is likely to be less than the price assignable to
>>pieces sold separately. It is difficult to assign values to materials by
>>remote control, even with pictures. Agate can sell for hundreds of dollars
>>
>a
>
>>slab if the size, color, pattern, freedom from cracks, location, etc., are
>>considered. I think the record price for an agate slab was $15,000, but
>>
>there
>
>>may be higher prices that are generally unknown. There are undoubtedly
>>
>agate
>
>>slabs which are not worth the cost of wear and tear of the blade used to
>>
>cut
>
>>them.
>>
>>Local club auctions are reasonable ways to distribute material you are
>>unfamiliar with as the bidders should have a level of expertise. Again, if
>>the estate needs to be settled quickly, auction of a large amount of
>>
>material
>
>>would saturate the needs, desire, and available money of a small audience
>>
>and
>
>>several auctions, widely spaced in time, would net a better cost recovery.
>>
>Of
>
>>course, the estate should be split up so that roughly the same amount of
>>quality is present in each auction.
>>
>>If there is a knowledgeable person available, you could have a private
>>mineral show. About 15 years ago, several local lapidaries and collectors
>>
>had
>
>>collections for sale, so I suggested we have a local mineral show. We
>>advertised regionally to clubs, had a speaker, local advertising, etc.,
>>
>and
>
>>moved a lot of stuff. One collector opted to discount items at the end of
>>
>the
>
>>show and there were successive discounts offered on the lower end
>>
>material:
>
>>50% off, 75% off, 90% off.  We had a number of club members offer their
>>duplicates and all in all the sale was a success. We had work sessions
>>pricing specimens, gems, fossils, etc. The project also invigorated the
>>
>three
>
>>clubs involved. It wasn't up to the standards of a commercial show, but it
>>was fun and profitable.
>>
>>Van
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 07:21:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt)
Date: Thu Oct 31 07:21:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
References:  <00b901c280ee$ef0d6740$76cc94d1@dmschmidt> <3DC148CA.90801@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <010d01c280f1$2b3eba00$76cc94d1@dmschmidt>

if you would have seen this thing....it was worth it
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Westlake" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] how much it costs


> Wow, for that price I'll bet the whole taxi was made out of agate! (Get
> it? Cab....Taxi?) :-)
> Anita
>
> Michael Schmidt wrote:
>
> >I know a dealer who sold a fire agate cab for $20,000.....
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:58 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] how much it costs
> >
> >
> >>Dear Pete,
> >>
> >>As you know, one of the hats I wear is as an appraiser of mineral and
> >>
> >related
> >
> >>material. The appraisal of material is related to how much time you have
> >>
> >to
> >
> >>settle the estate. Each and every piece has value and if a lot is
assigned
> >>
> >a
> >
> >>value, for example, it is likely to be less than the price assignable to
> >>pieces sold separately. It is difficult to assign values to materials by
> >>remote control, even with pictures. Agate can sell for hundreds of
dollars
> >>
> >a
> >
> >>slab if the size, color, pattern, freedom from cracks, location, etc.,
are
> >>considered. I think the record price for an agate slab was $15,000, but
> >>
> >there
> >
> >>may be higher prices that are generally unknown. There are undoubtedly
> >>
> >agate
> >
> >>slabs which are not worth the cost of wear and tear of the blade used to
> >>
> >cut
> >
> >>them.
> >>
> >>Local club auctions are reasonable ways to distribute material you are
> >>unfamiliar with as the bidders should have a level of expertise. Again,
if
> >>the estate needs to be settled quickly, auction of a large amount of
> >>
> >material
> >
> >>would saturate the needs, desire, and available money of a small
audience
> >>
> >and
> >
> >>several auctions, widely spaced in time, would net a better cost
recovery.
> >>
> >Of
> >
> >>course, the estate should be split up so that roughly the same amount of
> >>quality is present in each auction.
> >>
> >>If there is a knowledgeable person available, you could have a private
> >>mineral show. About 15 years ago, several local lapidaries and
collectors
> >>
> >had
> >
> >>collections for sale, so I suggested we have a local mineral show. We
> >>advertised regionally to clubs, had a speaker, local advertising, etc.,
> >>
> >and
> >
> >>moved a lot of stuff. One collector opted to discount items at the end
of
> >>
> >the
> >
> >>show and there were successive discounts offered on the lower end
> >>
> >material:
> >
> >>50% off, 75% off, 90% off.  We had a number of club members offer their
> >>duplicates and all in all the sale was a success. We had work sessions
> >>pricing specimens, gems, fossils, etc. The project also invigorated the
> >>
> >three
> >
> >>clubs involved. It wasn't up to the standards of a commercial show, but
it
> >>was fun and profitable.
> >>
> >>Van
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 08:08:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox)
Date: Thu Oct 31 08:08:00 2002
Subject: [ADMIN]Re: [Rockhounds] Australian (fwd)
Message-ID: 

Heh. Aparently, SpamAssassin views Yahoo! email addresses as spam. Yikes.

I'll try and get this sorted out ASAP

Aaron

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:47:25
From: Steve Sorrell 
Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
To: dmschmidt@sprint.ca, rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Rockhounds] Australian

Hi Michael

Gus' email is magnetstogo@yahoo.com

I might also be able to help. What's your query?

Regards
Steve

------- Original Message --------
From: dmschmidt@sprint.ca
To: "rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com"
CC:
Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian
Date: 30/10/02 11:10


If anyone has an email address of Gus in Australia, could they please
forward it off to me.

Or if there are any other Australians on the list, I have a question I need
answered.

Gus...if you are out there, please get in touch with me.

Thanks

Michael


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 08:10:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z)
Date: Thu Oct 31 08:10:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Tumble / vibrate
References: <141.1903364.2af16918@aol.com> <3DC08770.1D8@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <009801c280f7$ea85a620$8e86f943@7a2wp>

> What can you tell me about "tumbling" tumblers
>
> versus
>
> "vibrating"  tumblers???


Rotary: Rounds rocks. Reasonably quiet. Inexpensive. Good machines last long
(Lortone has 1 year warranty). Rock size limitation (no larger that 1/3
barrel diameter. Barrel must be at least 1/2 full or material.

Vibratory. Does NOT round rocks (this can also be an advantage if you want
to polish preshaped rock. Otherwise, what you get is polished rocks that are
still almost the exact same shape as when started). Faster (8-10 days vs.
30+ for rotaries). Does not need to be full, only full enough to function.
No size limit on rock, as long as sufficient smaller rock surround the
larger. Gentler on fragile material. Very noisy. Critical on moisture
content - too much wears out barrel without polishing rock, too little and
polishing stops. Motors don't last long - the vibration is produced by
deliberately unbalancing the motor. Generally machines are more expensive
than rotary models of equivalent size.

The pro's use both - 1st step in the rotary to produce the desired rounding,
subsequent steps in the vibrator to get the speed. By the time another
batch's first step is done in the rotary, the first batch has finished all
the other steps in the vibrator.

-dan-



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 09:30:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen  Douglas)
Date: Thu Oct 31 09:30:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyritized Paraspirifer brachiopods, Sylvania Quarry, Ohio
Message-ID: <001e01c28085$0240c4c0$2702a8c0@WorkGroup>

Does anyone know if the Sylvania Quarry, Ohio is still open to =
collecting? This quarry exposed the Silica Formation in which =
beautifully pyritized fossils were/are found. If the quarry is not open =
for collecting would anyone be able to suggest alternate locations for =
collecting of pyritized fossils in the general vicinity of Sylvania =
Quarry?

Cheers, sTeve
--
Stephen Douglas
Editor, Pink Dolomite Saddle Newsletter
Director, Niagara Peninsula Geological Society
http://www.iaw.com/~jime/
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 09:43:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch)
Date: Thu Oct 31 09:43:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References:  <3DC0748B.D7DC2CB9@att.net> <3DC0AE5E.B65B37B0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <009a01c28104$a6051b40$f23d27c4@horstspc>

Hi everyone,

Been following this discussion with great interest, as I have been to  a few
of these sites mentioned by various contributors myself. Just wish to add a
few comments:-

1) Grand Canyon  would definitely be on my list, spent two days there in
1979

2) Victoria Falls, not only for its geological features, but nature in
general. As a young man on a tour through Southern and Northern Rhodesia in
July 1954 (now Zimbabwe and Zambia respectively) as part of a youth group
tour, spent a night on the Northern Rhodesian side of the Falls doing a turn
of "night watch" over our camp of 72 participants at four o'clock in the
morning. It was full moon, and one could see the rainbow over the Falls by
moonlight. Have visited the Falls many times subsequent to my first sight of
them in 1954.

3) Yosemite Valley - saw El Capitan and other sites on one of our trips to
the USA in 1991.

4) Namib Desert - one of my favourites because I was born in that country in
a small village called Gibeon (famous for its extra-terrestrial objects).
One of the greatest sites in the Namibian Desert are the dunes at
Sossusvlei. Have climbed its highest dune already three times, takes you
about 2 hours to the top.

5) Nobody has mentioned the Tswaing Meteorite Crater, 40 km NW of Pretoria
(where I live in South Africa) . Just quoting a few sentences from the book
"Tswaing Meteor Crater" by W.U. Reimold, D. Brandt, R. de Jong and J. Hancox
(brought out as Popular Geoscience Series 1 by the Council for Geoscience in
Pretoria in 1999):-

"In the northwestern corner of today's Gauteng Province, and right on
Pretoria and Soshanguwe's doorstep, a blazing meteorite slammed into the
Earth's crust some 220 000 years ago. The impact caused a deep crater known
as the Tswaing Crater (Tswaing in Tswana (a local language - my note) means
"Place of Salt"). This feature was previously known as the "Pretoria
Saltpan" or "Zoutpan" crater."
"Tswaing is one of the world's best preserved and best studied meteorite
impact craters. Meteor Crater in the United States is even better preserved
because it is much younger - only a quarter the age of Tswaing"

The crater is about 1,1 km in diameter and there is a 7,2 km hiking trail
around the periphery of the crater (which I walked with members of the
Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club in May last year)

6) Vredefort Dome - "this is the oldest and largest impact crater in South
Africa, with its centre about 120 km southwest of Johannesburg: the
originally 250 to 300 kilomtres wide Vredefort impact structure .This
structure was formed about 2 020 million years ago and is centred on an area
know as the "Vredefort Dome". It is situated in the centre of the
Witwatersrand Basin, which includes the important gold-mining areas that
have been the life-blood of the South African economy for more than 100
years. The gold-bearing rocks of the Witwatersrand Basin were deposited some
800 million years prior to the impact event, and it is likely that the
original sedimentary (Wiwatersrand) basin covered a much wider region than
does the present-day remnant. When the Vredefort impact event occurred,
these old rocks (with all the gold!) were downfaulted, covered with impact
ejecta, and thereby preserved from erosion over the subsequent 2 billion
years. It can be speculated that if it had not been for the Vredefort impact
event, the gold-bearing rocks of the Witwatersrand Basin might not be there
for us to exploit and be basis for South Africa's gigantic goldmining
industry"

7) A diamond mine _ I have been underground twice in the Premier Mine at
Cullinan (where the world's largest diamond was found). Daily surface tours
of the mine are organised, but underground tours only by special
arrangement. Have also been underground in one of the diamond mines in
Kimberley and of course the "Big Hole" in Kimberley  is also a sight to
behold (though not being of geological origin, but man-made in quest of the
diamonds)


8)The Fish River Canyon in Namibia - although this canyon is a couple of
hundred kilometres long and of course not as majestic and deep as the Grand
Canyon, it is regarded as the second in size to the Grand Canyon. There is
also a 86 km hiking trail, which forms part of the more spectacular portions
of the canyon. I have hiked this trail seven times already (six times as
leader of the group). We normally cover this distance in four and a third
day
.
Although these notes may have quite a "Southern African flavour" , I still
think they can be classified under the heading of this discussion. Of course
one will never reach unanimity in such discussions, but hope that views from
another part of the world can add to the debate

I could possibly add a few more interesting geological sites in Southern
Africa to this list, but the above should possibly whet the appetite of some
of our contributors to pay a visit to our country. I am always available to
help in planning trips to South Africa and/or Namibia.

Horst Windisch .  ---- Original Message -----
From: "T A Masters" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World


> Don,
> Great treatise on Arizona, I second everything you say. Try for Bisbee
> next trip. I spent time there with  my grandsons. We camped out in my
> van and we were in the Post Office parking lot. The two of them
> scampered up the incline below the freeway and started "digging" they
> brought back a great piece of turquoise and another of dendritic
> material. When building that freeway they must have trucked in fill from
> where ever, that made a field trip for the boys. I saw my first Scorpion
> in Bisbee. No more please.
>
> Thanks,
> Teresa
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 10:01:13 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Thu Oct 31 10:01:13 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geologic Wonders
In-Reply-To: <3DC0B226.E33B7E1@cox.net>
References: <00fc01c2806e$303a9a20$335d1a43@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030190049.02178cb0@mail.aloha.net>

At 06:31 PM 10/30/2002, you wrote:

>Caverns..... in New Zealand where a full orchestra in boats played a 
>concert on an
>underground lake!

Neat!  Bill and I went to Waitomo Caves, a few hour's drive south of 
Auckland.  Don't know if it was the same one you went to, but at Waitomo, 
on the ceiling above the underground lake were glow worms, which made it 
seem like looking up at stars.  The caves are in limestone beds some 20 or 
30 kilometers thick.  Bill picked up a chunk of the limestone in the 
parking lot for his astronomy classes where he speaks of it as .

Just west of there is Kiritehere Beach where there are fossils as well as 
black sand that is magnetic with iron.

Also on the North Island is Rotorua, New Zealand's Yellowstone;  lots of 
neat sulphur formations and a geyser that goes off when a park attendant 
pours laundry soap into it!  And on the Coromandel Peninsula there is Hot 
Sand Beach where geothermal steam comes up through the beach and people 
carve out spas in the sand.  You can pick up bits of carnelian on beaches 
in that area too.

On South Island, in addition to Akaroa noted by GeorgiaO, there's Franz 
Josef Glacier, where to reach the base of the glacier you walk along a 
mostly dry river bed among glistening boulders of gneiss and shist.


>100,000 miles driving across these here United States, National Parks,
>Monuments, Battle Grounds.

Driving across Canada is great too.  A couple years ago we drove from 
Seattle to New York, stopping at every rockhound location we could find in 
the northern part of the US, then went up through maritime Canada (two 
weeks in Newfoundland), took the ferry to Labrador and drove the Trans 
Labrador Highway to Quebec City and then all across Canada---with 
rockhunting stops everywhere---to Vancouver and back down to Seattle.  A 
great experience!

>It has been a wonderful life and there is much more to come.
>Teresa


Good attitude!  Aloha, Kitty



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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 10:03:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm)
Date: Thu Oct 31 10:03:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References: 
Message-ID: <004101c28107$a0f28e00$b41ebed8@powertech.net>

.
> > - Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the
> > perfection of its shape and because it was
> >   the first to be recognized as being of
> > extra-terrestial origin
>
> Been there, done that.  Not worth going back.  Almost not worth going in
the
> first place.  Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon, and maybe even the
Volcanos
> nearby are much better sites.

But, as I understand it, the reason for it s being on the list is that it is
so unique.  Being, perhaps, rather blah to look at is not the point here.
???
(Of course I realize this is opening up a can of worms, which I really am
not looking to do, but -- )
margaret

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 10:57:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen)
Date: Thu Oct 31 10:57:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: <009a01c28104$a6051b40$f23d27c4@horstspc>
Message-ID: 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of horstwindisch
Sent: 31 October, 2002 6:39 PM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World

4) Namib Desert - one of my favourites because I was born in that country in
a small village called Gibeon (famous for its extra-terrestrial objects).
One of the greatest sites in the Namibian Desert are the dunes at
Sossusvlei. Have climbed its highest dune already three times, takes you
about 2 hours to the top.

>>>>> The sunset on dune # 45 is marvellous, but ruined nowadays by the huge
crowd of people that is present every morning. It's better to climb the dune
during daytime : better view and less (or even NO people). Deadvlei is a
small valley with several tens of trees that died and dried hundreds of
years ago... a real apocalyptic view in a scenery of a white clay floor
surrounded by pure brown dunes. Your camera goes red-hot after half an hour
!

One of the most beautiful medium hight mountains I have seen is the
Spitskoppe, Central-West Namibia.

8)The Fish River Canyon in Namibia - although this canyon is a couple of
hundred kilometres long and of course not as majestic and deep as the Grand
Canyon, it is regarded as the second in size to the Grand Canyon.

>>>>> I visited both, and on a morphological point of view the ressemblance
is striking. Only the scale is different indeed (but that's a question of
calibration...)

I would add Petrified Forest in the neighbourhood of Twyfelfontein
("Fountain of Doubt"), which can compete (quality, not surface) with
Petrified Forest in the USA. Again... on another scale. Marvellous in
Namibia's petrified forest is the combination of the rare Namibia-only plant
Welwitschia Mirabilis, that grows in, on and around fossil trees. Some of
those plants are thought to be older than 1000 years, and their root system
goes up to 80 m deep.

And do not forget the Augrabies Falls in the Western part of South Africa,
near the Namibian border. Just awfully beautiful !

Further highlights on my "top 10" list :

The volcano "La Soufrière" on the Carribean Island Guadeloupe and
The Mont Pélée on Martinique
The Etna volcano on Sicily, Italy and the
Vesuvio volcano, also in Italy
The Fuji Yama volcano in Japan
The volcanoes on Hawaii
The Teide volcano on Tenerife

Do we have something with volcanoes... no... just a coincidence... (?)
(I realised that my top 10 contains 12 or so items. That's the reason why it
is called top 10).

Greetings, and visit a nice volcano... euh... place next year

Rik DILLEN
Doornstraat 15
B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas
Belgium

Tel. + 32 3 7706007
E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be 

Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen

>>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more)
>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp !
>>> Exchange list

Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ 
>>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more !

MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show
10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen
http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html





From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 10:57:27 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen)
Date: Thu Oct 31 10:57:27 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: <004101c28107$a0f28e00$b41ebed8@powertech.net>
Message-ID: 

I really enjoyed the visit to Meteor Crater. Not only the crater as such,
but also the exhibit was quite interesting, and the fact that you can see
something like 50-100 km far is spectacular, living in a country where
places with a view of 200 m are rare...
BTW I liked also VERY much Sunset Crater, about 50-100 km (if I remember
well) north of Meteor Crater. This is a very nice and interesting volcano,
and the area has wonderfull flowers and plants.

Greetings,

Rik

-----Original Message-----
From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Malm
Sent: 31 October, 2002 7:02 PM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World



.
> > - Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the
> > perfection of its shape and because it was
> >   the first to be recognized as being of
> > extra-terrestial origin
>
> Been there, done that.  Not worth going back.  Almost not worth going in
the
> first place.  Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon, and maybe even the
Volcanos
> nearby are much better sites.

But, as I understand it, the reason for it s being on the list is that it is
so unique.  Being, perhaps, rather blah to look at is not the point here.
???
(Of course I realize this is opening up a can of worms, which I really am
not looking to do, but -- )
margaret

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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 11:39:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 11:39:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: 

In a message dated 10/31/02 10:58:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
rik.dillen@skynet.be writes:

> 
> I really enjoyed the visit to Meteor Crater. Not only the crater as such,
> but also the exhibit was quite interesting, and the fact that you can see
> something like 50-100 km far is spectacular, 
> 
I think how people view Meteor Crater is subjective. If a person is looking 
for a rare astronomical phenomena, Meteor Crater is very impressive. If they 
are looking for scenery or geological features it would be a bit 
disappointing.

One day a disabled friend told me if she had the freedom I have, (basically 
the time and money to travel) she would do a lot more than I do. When I asked 
her what she would do, she told me about a Buddhist temple in India where she 
could go meditate. I've got nothing against people who spend money to sit 
with their legs crossed and eat brown rice and vegatables. Nirvana for me is 
sundown in the desert of Nevada, Utah, Arizona, or New Mexico and then 
finding a couple pieces of leftover Kentucky Fried Chicken in the box.

I think that's pretty close to heaven -- but nobody else has to agree with 
me. I like being there alone; me, my wife, and my dog.  

Grant


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 12:18:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob G)
Date: Thu Oct 31 12:18:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyritized Paraspirifer brachiopods, Sylvania Quarry,
 Ohio
References: <001e01c28085$0240c4c0$2702a8c0@WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <3DC18FEE.5020308@netscape.net>



  


In September the city had a fossil fest including truckloads of fossil shale
delivered for kids ( of all ages) to celebrate the opening of Fossil Park.

http://www.cityofsylvania.com/Journal/Autumn01/cj3.htm



"Fossil Preserve Park     Olander Park System operation;
Passive      quarry for fossiling, Paleontology     studies, and picnic
areas.  Located off Centennial Road near Sylvania-Metamora Road.      Call
(419) 882-8313 for open hours., 10 acres."



So there are both a fossiling allowed park and quarry operators who are supportive.




Bob G 



Stephen Douglas wrote:


  Does anyone know if the Sylvania Quarry, Ohio is still open to collecting? This quarry exposed the Silica Formation in which beautifully pyritized fossils were/are found. If the quarry is not open for collecting would anyone be able to suggest alternate locations for collecting of pyritized fossils in the general vicinity of Sylvania Quarry?

Cheers, sTeve
--
Stephen Douglas
Editor, Pink Dolomite Saddle Newsletter
Director, Niagara Peninsula Geological Society
http://www.iaw.com/~jime/
stephendouglas@sympatico.ca
  





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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 13:59:11 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen)
Date: Thu Oct 31 13:59:11 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Question: Italian Szaibelyite
Message-ID: <3DBD69AA.1080900@dal.ca>

Hi All,

I just acquired a piece from an old collection. It is a miniature sized 
piece of magnetite
with dodecahedral magnetite crystals. In between some of the crystals is 
a fibrous white
mineral and tiny thin colorless hexagonal plates. The label says, 
magnetite and szaibelyite
from Traversella Mine, Torino, Italy. From searching the web, I would 
say that the fibrous
mineral is the szaibelyite.

Now for the questions. I can't seem to find the info I want on the 
locality. Are these
appropriate for the locality on the label? Also, what would the thin 
plates be?

Thanks in advance,
Ronnie Van Dommelen



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 13:59:39 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 13:59:39 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Pascagoula, MS show
Message-ID: <20021030125201.LXLV4223.fl-webmail01@fl-webmail01>

Greetings!

I would like to remind members of the list about the 
Pascagoula, MS show this weekend.  

This will be my second year being a dealer at this show. 
Last year was a very enjoyable show.  My booth is hard to 
miss as I have UT orange table coverings!  

Dates:  Friday-Sunday, November 1-3, 2002.

Hours:  Friday -   10:00 am   - 6:00 pm
        Saturday - 10:00 am   - 6:00 pm 
        Sunday -   10:00 noon - 5:00 pm

Location:  Civic Center Building, Jackson County 
           Fairgrounds, Pascagoula, MS

Hope to see you there!  Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce 
yourself.  Maybe you'll even see something I have that you 
can't live without.  And then I'll have more to spend on my 
addiction with other dealers!

John Teague
Volunteer Gems
Knoxville, Tennessee
http://www.VolunteerGems.com



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 13:59:44 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen)
Date: Thu Oct 31 13:59:44 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners
Message-ID: <3DC00E33.7040805@dal.ca>

Hi All,

I was hoping someone could give me a crash course in ultrasonic 
cleaners. Who sells
them? How much can I expect to pay? What features should I look for? 
What will it
work on? Also, I recently found some sturdy natrolite sprays with clay 
in between the
crystals. Used a paintbrush with soap and water and then the Waller 
solution but there
is still a small amount of clay. Would the ultrasonic cleaner be 
suitable for this?

Later,
Ronnie Van Dommelen



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 14:13:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull)
Date: Thu Oct 31 14:13:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
Message-ID: 

Hello:
Suggest you check here: www.cedco.com
Good Luck,
Larry Bull






>From: "Bob Loeffler" 
>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:31:36 -0700
>
>Thanks to all for the mineral calendar ideas. If anyone has anymore ideas,
>please let me know.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob Loeffler
>President and webmaster
>North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
>http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
>and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
>
>Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
>http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
>[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Juergen
>Wachsmuth
>Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:43 AM
>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
>
>
>www.lapis.de
>
>Greetings
>Jürgen Wachsmuth
>Ulm - Germany
>
>Bob Loeffler schrieb:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003 
>calendar
> > with pictures
> > of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob Loeffler
> > President and webmaster
> > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
> > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
> > and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
> >
> > Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
> > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
> > To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
> > Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
> >
> > I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
> > crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
> > anyone sell it?
> >
> > Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
> > at pciszek@pobox.com
> >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 14:16:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer)
Date: Thu Oct 31 14:16:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners
In-Reply-To: <3DC00E33.7040805@dal.ca>
Message-ID: 

Bransonic seems to be the major brand in lab use, they have a FAQ page on
their website that may be a little help.

http://www.bransonic.com/ppg/index_bp.html

We've had a couple of them in the lab and they seem to be OK, they did
refuse to service one that they said was too old so I'm not wildly enthused
about them.

Bryan

> -----Original Message-----

> Hi All,
>
> I was hoping someone could give me a crash course in ultrasonic
> cleaners. Who sells
> them? How much can I expect to pay? What features should I look for?
> What will it
> work on? Also, I recently found some sturdy natrolite sprays with clay
> in between the
> crystals. Used a paintbrush with soap and water and then the Waller
> solution but there
> is still a small amount of clay. Would the ultrasonic cleaner be
> suitable for this?
>
> Later,
> Ronnie Van Dommelen
>
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 14:25:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II)
Date: Thu Oct 31 14:25:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners
In-Reply-To: <3DC00E33.7040805@dal.ca>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20021031171726.02b2ae38@po2.bbn.com>

Check out ebay for a better price on older models of ultrasonic 
cleaners.  I was able to buy a large (~1.5 gal) unit at a fraction of the 
cost of a new one.  It seems to work just fine.

Nate Martin

At 11:52 AM 10/30/2002, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I was hoping someone could give me a crash course in ultrasonic cleaners. 
>Who sells
>them? How much can I expect to pay? What features should I look for? What 
>will it
>work on? Also, I recently found some sturdy natrolite sprays with clay in 
>between the
>crystals. Used a paintbrush with soap and water and then the Waller 
>solution but there
>is still a small amount of clay. Would the ultrasonic cleaner be suitable 
>for this?
>
>Later,
>Ronnie Van Dommelen
>
>
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 14:32:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen)
Date: Thu Oct 31 14:32:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners
In-Reply-To: <3DC00E33.7040805@dal.ca>
Message-ID: 

Dear Ronnie,

I have quite some experience with ultrasonic cleaners. Some advice, some
PERSONAL opinions (no I do not sell US-cleaners and I' not paid by one of
the manufacturers) :

1) The best value for money (or ultrasonic Watts per USD or EUR) = a tank of
about 2-2.8 liter.
2) A very small model is not so good, because it has only one piezoelectric
transducer on the bottom, a 2-2.8 liter tank has two, which gives a better
result. Most small US cleaners (e.g. 0.9 liter) are much less effective
3) A have seen many very cheap or self-built US-cleaners that worked very
badly or not at all (the cheaper the lower the frequency)
4) Not the cleaner that makes the most noise is the best (remember : it's
ULTRA-sonic cleaning).
5) A more expensive model will have a much longer life, will yield all that
time much better results (more intensive US effect). The joy of good results
lasts much longer than the thought that you spent more money.
6) Here in Europe at present I see only one brand I trust : BRANSON (I
repeat : no, I do not sell...and I'm not paid... :>))
7) Every person who collects minerals, and certainly everyone who looks at
them through a microscope SHOULD think about having his own US-cleaner.
8) If your US-cleaner becomes defective (transducer connection to the
bottom) do not attempt to repair it yourself. It's not just a question of
putting some glue on the transducer. I have used my US-cleaner I have now
for almost 10 years very intensively without any problem.

This is only my personal opinion and experience. Perhaps (and probably)
there are many other ideas about this subject.
As I have given about 10 times a presentation of 1.5 hours in various clubs
here in Europe I can give lots of advice and tips on the use (and mechanism)
of US-cleaners if anyone is interested. There is no text of the
presentation - I wrote one article but that's in Dutch.

Greetings,

Rik Dillen


-----Original Message-----
From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Ronnie Van
Dommelen
Sent: 30 October, 2002 5:52 PM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners


Hi All,

I was hoping someone could give me a crash course in ultrasonic
cleaners. Who sells
them? How much can I expect to pay? What features should I look for?
What will it
work on? Also, I recently found some sturdy natrolite sprays with clay
in between the
crystals. Used a paintbrush with soap and water and then the Waller
solution but there
is still a small amount of clay. Would the ultrasonic cleaner be
suitable for this?

Later,
Ronnie Van Dommelen


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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 14:34:00 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen)
Date: Thu Oct 31 14:34:00 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer
Sent: 31 October, 2002 11:14 PM
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic Cleaners

Bransonic seems to be the major brand in lab use, they have a FAQ page on
their website that may be a little help.

http://www.bransonic.com/ppg/index_bp.html

We've had a couple of them in the lab and they seem to be OK, they did
refuse to service one that they said was too old so I'm not wildly enthused
about them.

>>>>>That depends completely on the country and individual persons. Here (in
Belgium) I have had very positive experience with them, both professionally
as for home use.

Greetings,

Rik

(More tomorrow... it's bed-time here).



From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 15:16:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (T A Masters)
Date: Thu Oct 31 15:16:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geologic Wonders
References: <00fc01c2806e$303a9a20$335d1a43@uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021030190049.02178cb0@mail.aloha.net>
Message-ID: <3DC1BA82.C93FFE05@cox.net>

Yes Kitty,
It was the Waitomo Caves. Now about Rotorua, yes quite the place.
Nothing like bubbling sulfur to affront the nasal passages.

The Canadian Rockhounding trip sounds like a wonderful thing to do.
Perhaps in the not to distant future we will do some rockhound trip
exchanges. So little effort, so much fun.

Hans is the one who started this exchange. He had a wonderful trip
around the States last year. We can always nominate Hans as the dream
trip coordinator.
Teresa


From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 15:40:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire)
Date: Thu Oct 31 15:40:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
References: 
Message-ID: <3DC1BF36.C037995F@epix.net>

Hi Larry,

Our club got the calendars from Cedco for several years now,
but this year they didn't make a mineral calendar for 2003.
They didn't say why not.
We would also like to find a company producing them.
I wonder if a few clubs would like to go together to produce
such a calendar.  It is a very costly venture.

Bob 

http://uvbob.com

Lawrence Bull wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> Suggest you check here: www.cedco.com
> Good Luck,
> Larry Bull
> 
> >From: "Bob Loeffler" 
> >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
> >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:31:36 -0700
> >
> >Thanks to all for the mineral calendar ideas. If anyone has anymore ideas,
> >please let me know.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob Loeffler
> >President and webmaster
> >North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
> >http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
> >and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
> >
> >Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
> >http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com
> >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Juergen
> >Wachsmuth
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:43 AM
> >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
> >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] FW: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
> >
> >
> >www.lapis.de
> >
> >Greetings
> >Jürgen Wachsmuth
> >Ulm - Germany
> >
> >Bob Loeffler schrieb:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Got an e-mail from someone (see below) who is looking for a 2003
> >calendar
> > > with pictures
> > > of minerals, gemstones, etc. Anybody have an idea of where to get them?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bob Loeffler
> > > President and webmaster
> > > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
> > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/
> > > and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS)
> > >
> > > Check out the best Colorado Rockhounding website at:
> > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul Ciszek [mailto:pciszek@pobox.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:42 AM
> > > To: bobl@peaktopeak.com
> > > Subject: Seeking Mineral Picture Calendar
> > >
> > > I am looking for a picture calendar (2003) with images of minerals,
> > > crystals, gemstones, etc.  Have you heard of such a thing?  Does
> > > anyone sell it?
> > >
> > > Any information will be appreciated.  I can be reached via e-mail
> > > at pciszek@pobox.com
> > >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 16:08:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com)
Date: Thu Oct 31 16:08:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I have not been following this thread, but thought would 
jump in with Capulin Volcano. We arrived there at sunset, 
and what an incredible view--a perfect volcanic cone. I 
have never in my travels gone wrong with a AAA red star 
attraction. Now, the Maverick Motel that we had to stay in 
was far from any kind of rating. But, I must admit, the 
dump was the only place that I can actually remember of 
all the places we stayed on our once in a life time trip 
"Out West".

Capulin was simply awesome. If any where around, make it a 
point of going there.

http://www.nps.gov/cavo/

T Armstrong

From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 16:59:01 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Campbell)
Date: Thu Oct 31 16:59:01 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Message-ID: 

One of my favorite areas of geological significance is Craters of the Moon 
national monument in Idaho.  The park contains many different kinds of lava 
flows, cones, and other interesting volcanic features.  And it's only about 
3 - 4 hours drive from Yellowstone.

http://www.nps.gov/crmo/

-Kevin



----Original Message Follows----
From: 
Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:06:58 -0500

I have not been following this thread, but thought would jump in with 
Capulin Volcano. We arrived there at sunset, and what an incredible view--a 
perfect volcanic cone. I have never in my travels gone wrong with a AAA red 
star attraction. Now, the Maverick Motel that we had to stay in was far from 
any kind of rating. But, I must admit, the dump was the only place that I 
can actually remember of all the places we stayed on our once in a life time 
trip "Out West".

Capulin was simply awesome. If any where around, make it a point of going 
there.

http://www.nps.gov/cavo/

T Armstrong
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 17:09:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski)
Date: Thu Oct 31 17:09:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
References:  <3DBFE406.1030507@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <012401c28144$2eb888c0$d500560c@oemcomputer>

These comments have all been interesting.  Santorini sounds really
exceptional (love to see it some day!).  I'm surprised that the cave with
the "snotites" was mentioned--well of course, I'm sure it is very
remarkable, but it's slimy, yucky, and full of H2S and other poisonous
gases--not most people's favorite vacation trip I would guess, even
geologists.  And, also surprising, I'd never heard anyone say that Meteor
Crater was just "blah" to look at--yes of course, you can see it just in
pictures, but I've always found it to be very awesome to see it in person.

My only new comment will be along the line of "virtual" trips (as in books);
I read a very enjoyable little hardcover book recently, I think the title
was simply "Mammoth", about the history of all the Siberian finds of woolly
mammoth carcasses melting out of permafrost, plus descriptions of the people
who hope to try to clone one.  This was very interesting reading, and really
gave you a feeling of what it was like being on these discoveries, way up in
the "outback" of Siberia.  I found this on the bargain bookshelf of our
local (Denver) good bookstore, the Tattered Cover.

Pete Modreski

----- Original Message -----
From: Anita Westlake 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World


> Here's my "off the top of my head" list:
>
> 1.  Meteor Crater, Arizona
> 2.  San Andres Fault, California
> 3.  Any active volcano
> 4.  Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico (cave formations)
> 5.  Patagonia, Argentina (petrified wood, pinecones, etc.)
> 6.  Madagascar (labradorite, petrified wood and lots of other cool stuff)
> 7.  Gobi Desert, China (dinosaur bones, eggs)
> 8.  Dominican Republic (amber)
> 9.  A South African diamond mine (diamonds!)
> 10. Dorset (?) Lyme Regis, UK (where Mary Anning discovered, excavated,
> studied and sold fossils)
> 11. Giants Causeway, Ireland
> 12. Siccar Point, Scotland (site of James Hutton's unconformity)
>
> Anita Westlake
>
> H.Durstling wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Up here on the Bay of Fundy the days are getting shorter, colder,
cloudier.
> >Winter lies ahead. Damn! - time to flee, time to travel - at least in the
> >mind.
> >
> >So in my imagination I've been putting together my geological dream tour,
> >inventory-ing a sort of top-ten of the geological wonders that, someday,
> >I'd like to visit. My spur of the moment wish list goes like this -
> >
> >- Cave of Swords, for the spectacular gypsum crystal rooms
> >
> >- That salt mine in Poland (what's its name???) where the miners over the
> >centuries
> >  have sculpted an underground cathedral in the solid salt
> >
> >- Meteor Crater in Arizona, because of the perfection of its shape and
> >because it was
> >  the first to be recognized as being of extra-terrestial origin
> >
> >- The limestone quarries in Solnhofen, Germany, the source of those
> >mazingly detailed fossils of the archeopterix, the flying lizard (hope I
> >have that biologically correct) originate
> >
> >- Namibia for the sake of its Namib desert and its vast array of
gemstones
> >
> >- Brazil, Minas Gerais, ditto
> >
> >- Iceland for its volanoes perhaps?
> >
> >No doubt there are other, many other, "must-see" places; but already I'm
> >drifting away from geology, and toward gemstones, which are my own
favorite
> >pursuit. So I thought I'd put the question out to the list members: if
you
> >had all the money in the world, and all the time in the world, what would
> >be _your_ favorite top ten, or top five, geological sites, and why are
they
> >important, significant, attractive, worthwhile?
> >
> >(It just occurs to me that maybe we can get Walt Bowser to do this for
> >real...*S*...)
> >
> >Anyway, let's do some winter dreaming...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Hans Durstling
> >Moncton, Canada
> >
> >
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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com  Thu Oct 31 19:11:02 2002
From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox)
Date: Thu Oct 31 19:11:02 2002
Subject: [Rockhounds] Geological Wonders of the World
In-Reply-To: <012401c28144$2eb888c0$d500560c@oemcomputer>
References: 
 <3DBFE406.1030507@emory.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031163423.020d1010@mail.aloha.net>

At 03:15 PM 10/31/2002, you wrote:
>........I'm surprised that the cave with
>the "snotites" was mentioned--well of course, I'm sure it is very
>remarkable, but it's slimy, yucky, and full of H2S and other poisonous
>gases--not most people's favorite vacation trip I would guess, even
>geologists.
>
>Pete Modreski


Han's original question was, indeed, what places we'd like to go.  But he 
also implied that he might just read or dream about them, or look at 
pictures.  I think that's what I had in mind in mentioning the Mexican 
snottite caves.

Aloha, Kitty


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