From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 06:15:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Mon Dec 1 06:15:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] lenticular clouds References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031130165824.023c3cb0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <007501c3b815$65bfd2c0$e4a3490c@pete> Thanks to Kreigh for posting those pictures of yours, Kitty & Bill! They really were spectacular--I can see why you were so awed when you saw that orange-tinted cloud looming over you in the morning! [P.S., I sent an email message to the fellow who maintains that inclouds.com website, asking him if he can offer any further clarification about to what degree a "rotor" cloud actually rotates longitudinally, and whether the cigar-shaped rotor cloud posted as one of his picture, really truly rotated and how much it differ from just a highly elongated lenticular cloud; I'll see if I get any answer from him.] Sincerely, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 06:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Mon Dec 1 06:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes References: <112720032020.25260.4805@att.net> <001101c3b5db$67a46c40$22335841@powertech.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20031130100810.01d951f0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <007e01c3b815$b5987f40$e4a3490c@pete> Hi Nathan, & Don too, I'm sure there are many people out there who will really read Dan's excellent article on the petrographic microscope, not just "look at the pretty microscope pictures" as I suggested; he did a great job. Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 08:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes Message-ID: <120120031559.16463.256a@att.net> Nate, When I get a chance I will do three things for you: 1. Select some essential reading from the comprehensive bibliography provided. There are three or four books to really get you started. 1.a. Please let me know your background and your own assessment of your ability to read technical and semi-technical material. Quite frankly, I learn better when shown myself, and find some of the mathematics in these books too abstract. If you'd like I can recommend some reading that starts light and grows more difficult. The McCrone Research Institute sells a good introductory book on polarized light microscopy--it is geared toward PLM in general, so you'll be reading about hair & fibers as well as minerals. 2. Send you the web address to some good pages. One of my mentors, Mickey Gunter, who was mentioned in this issue, has plans for building your own spindle stage from poster board. I was skeptical at first, but these things do work well. There is also some software to download, called excalibrw, that helps you plot the principal refractive indices of biaxial minerals. There are plenty of other optical mineralogy pages as well, and while you're waiting for me you can do a search and find all sorts of good material. 3. Recommend some clubs & people in your area. You can join the New England Micromounters and the Canadian Micro Mineral Association; there are some like-minded people in those groups. As you can see by reading the magazine, the PLM opens up a grand new window on mineralogy. When comparing the cost-to-benefit ratio for the home scientist--say, against buying an SEM or XRD unit--the PLM wins by orders of magnitude. More later, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 08:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes References: <120120031559.16463.256a@att.net> Message-ID: <3FCB6A03.6060608@dal.ca> Hi All, I have a related question about petro. scopes. It is true that you need a set of very expensive liquids to do measurements with such a scope? Thanks in advance. Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 08:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916154710.02d700a0@mail.aloha.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916154710.02d700a0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3FCB6AB2.9080103@tenforward.com> Hi Kitty and Everyone, While I'm a tad late, I do plan a Denver Show report, I've just been buried! Here's a page for your consideration in the meantime. All the best, John http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Mineral%20Show%20Pix/Denver%202003%20Show%20Pix%20Page.htm Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Is anyone going to do a report on the Denver show? We hope so. > > Kitty > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 08:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes In-Reply-To: <3FCB6A03.6060608@dal.ca> Message-ID: Not really, Many common substances have useful refractive indices. Consult a textbook on optical mineralogy for a list. There is an early article at: http://www.minsocam.org/MSA/collectors_corner/arc/immersion.htm This is a little dated now, but should give you some idea of the types of liquids used. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Ronnie Van Dommelen Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:19 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes Hi All, I have a related question about petro. scopes. It is true that you need a set of very expensive liquids to do measurements with such a scope? Thanks in advance. Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 08:58:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:58:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes Message-ID: <120120031657.25728.6516@att.net> Ronnie, It is true that this is the most convenient method. However, there are two ways around this: 1. Buy intermediate values and mix them on the slide until the desired RI match is achieved. For example, you can buy Cargille fluids at 1.400, 1.450, 1.500, 1.550, etc., and save yourself some money. Then take the mixed liquid from your slide and measure the RI of the mix, adjusting for temperature as noted by the coefficient on the bottle. Of course this requires the one-time purchase of a refractometer. 2. A variety of common liquids may be used if their RI is measured via refractometer. My friend Don Peck wrote a book on how to obtain good measurements of RI to 0.1 using home-made equipment (he is still seeking a publisher). Now if you need 0.001 or even 0.0001 precision, you are going to need precise measurements of RI and temperature, which require monochromatic light as well as a refractometer and a calibrated thermometer with .1 deg. increments. Since you are a PhD candidate I think you might be looking for more, not less, precision, and so method 1 might be your best bet. Once you make the intial investment in liquids, however, they do last for some time. Please let me know if you have any more questions. Don > Hi All, > > I have a related question about petro. scopes. It is true that you need > a set of very expensive liquids to do measurements with such a scope? > Thanks in advance. > > Later, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 09:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book References: <010f01c3b7bc$0b05ccd0$1d8869d1@6663r01> Message-ID: <3FCB7FBC.2EA4CD6C@gmx.de> Hello, there is a great one on St. Hilaire: "Monteregian Treasures" by Mandarino and Anderson (1989). Be ready to pay about 100 USD if you find a good copy. And there is a new one "Mineral Species Discovered in Canada, and Species Named after Canadians" by L. Horvath (2003). I heard nice remarks on its quality but I did not work through it. Regards, Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Powell schrieb: > Dear Rockhounds, > Can someone on the list recommend a good book on Canadian minerals? I am sure there are a number of them but don't know which would be a top quality book that combines good photographs with locality and specimen information. > Thanks to all for any input. Much appreciated. > > Peace. > > Darryl Powell > Manchester, New York > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 10:02:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:02:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes References: <120120031657.25728.6516@att.net> Message-ID: <3FCB82DD.2090604@dal.ca> Thanks Henry and Don. It was stupid of me not to check prices on the net first. I talked to someone recently, and was under the impression that a set had to cost a couple thousand dollars. After checking the Cargille site, I see they have a set of 31 liquids, that appear to be safe, for a few hundred dollars. That gives steps of 0.01 between 1.40 and 1.70. This sounds quite good and far less than I had imagined. Of course I would rather spend such an amount on a specimen, it is within the realm of doable. Don, this has nothing to do with school. I just want to play around, although learning something like is sure to have some benefit down the road. I am hoping that it would be a useful tool for some those minerals that I am fairly sure about but want some confirmation (also for epitaxial growths of zeolites). Don't have the money to afford a setup at this point but everyone needs to dream. Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 10:10:11 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:10:11 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Burners - flame tests Message-ID: <3FCB84DD.7060901@dal.ca> Hi All, While on the subject of mineral tests.... A local surplus store has some small butane torches for sale pretty cheap. I was thinking of getting one (or telling my wife that it would make a great xmas present) to do flame and bead tests. Are there are factors to consider when choosing a flame source? Are there any significant differences between butane and propane or any other gas/liquid? I could imagine that the flame temperatures might be different, but that shouldn't be a problem - correct? Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 10:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes Message-ID: <120120031810.18814.3c2@att.net> Not to belabor the point, but a full set *will* cost that much--this covers indices from very low to very high, and the high series includes "melts," which are solids that need to be melted and in which the specimen needs to be immersed. Even I am not that dedicated; my set goes from about 1.400 to 1.900, and after that you begin to need melts and also the price increases exponentially. Don > Thanks Henry and Don. > > It was stupid of me not to check prices on the net first. I talked to > someone recently, and was under the impression that a set had to cost a > couple thousand dollars. After checking the Cargille site, I see they > have a set of 31 liquids, that appear to be safe, for a few hundred > dollars. That gives steps of 0.01 between 1.40 and 1.70. This sounds > quite good and far less than I had imagined. Of course I would rather > spend such an amount on a specimen, it is within the realm of doable. > > Don, this has nothing to do with school. I just want to play around, > although learning something like is sure to have some benefit down the > road. I am hoping that it would be a useful tool for some those > minerals that I am fairly sure about but want some confirmation (also > for epitaxial growths of zeolites). Don't have the money to afford a > setup at this point but everyone needs to dream. > > Later, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 10:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book References: <010f01c3b7bc$0b05ccd0$1d8869d1@6663r01> <3FCB7FBC.2EA4CD6C@gmx.de> Message-ID: <00e001c3b838$52276a20$4f04efd1@oemcomputer> "Famous Mineral Localities of Canada" by Joel Grice. Great pix, lousy content. Notice that all the cover shots are of Ontario minerals, brag, brag. Lots of shots of Ontario minerals can be found at http://www.ontariominerals.com. I've heard that there are minerals from localities outside of Ontario and Quebec, but they're all submicroscopic and ugly at best. Heh, heh, heh. The Ontario issue of Min Rec has lots of B&W pix. V13 #2 A very large list of literature on Ontario minerals can be found at the link above, but Grice is your best bet. Get a copy of Lanny Ream's MinDex and search the literature province by province. Very helpful. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Wachsmuth" To: Sent: December 1, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book > Hello, > > there is a great one on St. Hilaire: "Monteregian Treasures" by Mandarino and Anderson (1989). Be ready to pay about 100 USD if you find a good copy. > > And there is a new one "Mineral Species Discovered in Canada, and Species Named after Canadians" by L. Horvath (2003). I heard nice remarks on its quality but I did not work through it. > > Regards, > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > > Powell schrieb: > > > Dear Rockhounds, > > Can someone on the list recommend a good book on Canadian minerals? I am sure there are a number of them but don't know which would be a top quality book that combines good photographs with locality and specimen information. > > Thanks to all for any input. Much appreciated. > > > > Peace. > > > > Darryl Powell > > Manchester, New York > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 10:19:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:19:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916154710.02d700a0@mail.aloha.net> <3FCB6AB2.9080103@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <003c01c3b837$718bb840$7a9f77d5@axel> > While I'm a tad late, I do plan a Denver Show report, I've just been > buried! I hesitate to ask but... Are you triyng to tell us that "Buffy, the vampire slayer" is reality-TV???? Axel Sorry, but I have this sick sense of humor.... I could try to resist an opening like that but my shrink says I shoulnd't. ;))))) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 10:36:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:36:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book References: <010f01c3b7bc$0b05ccd0$1d8869d1@6663r01> <3FCB7FBC.2EA4CD6C@gmx.de> <00e001c3b838$52276a20$4f04efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FCB8AE4.7040001@dal.ca> Darryl, Hmm. As any respectable mineral collector knows, the best minerals are found outside of Ontario (:-)). I would recommend a couple other back issues of Min Rec including the one on the Yukon phosphate localities and Mont St. Hilaire. Those are dedicated issues but there are other issues with useful individual articles. Other websites include the Canadian Rockhound (for all over), Daniel Comtois site (Quebec), Alkali Nuts (Hilaire), and my site called the Mineralogy of Nova Scotia. Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen Tim Jokela wrote: > "Famous Mineral Localities of Canada" by Joel Grice. Great pix, lousy > content. Notice that all the cover shots are of Ontario minerals, brag, > brag. Lots of shots of Ontario minerals can be found at > http://www.ontariominerals.com. I've heard that there are minerals from > localities outside of Ontario and Quebec, but they're all submicroscopic and > ugly at best. Heh, heh, heh. > > The Ontario issue of Min Rec has lots of B&W pix. V13 #2 > > A very large list of literature on Ontario minerals can be found at the link > above, but Grice is your best bet. Get a copy of Lanny Ream's MinDex and > search the literature province by province. Very helpful. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juergen Wachsmuth" > To: > Sent: December 1, 2003 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book > > >> Hello, >> >> there is a great one on St. Hilaire: "Monteregian Treasures" by Mandarino > > and Anderson (1989). Be ready to pay about 100 USD if you find a good copy. > >> And there is a new one "Mineral Species Discovered in Canada, and Species > > Named after Canadians" by L. Horvath (2003). I heard nice remarks on its > quality but I did not work through it. > >> Regards, >> >> J|rgen Wachsmuth >> Ulm - Germany >> >> >> Powell schrieb: >> >>> Dear Rockhounds, >>> Can someone on the list recommend a good book on Canadian minerals? >> > I am sure there are a number of them but don't know which would be a top > quality book that combines good photographs with locality and specimen > information. > >>> Thanks to all for any input. Much appreciated. >>> >>> Peace. >>> >>> Darryl Powell >>> Manchester, New York >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 11:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes Message-ID: <120120031953.7641.722e@att.net> Ronnie, to add, As you've mostly figured out, the most commonly useful refractive index liquids are those between about 1.46 to 1.64. And, although a complete set is useful for measuring refractive indices, any kind of a partial set, or even just a few representative fluids, would be very useful; for example, a bottle of one of the liquids that is a near-match for quartz, etc. One can make many useful measurments of optical properties other than the exact refractive index--namely, the isotropic-uniaxial-or biaxial nature and the optic sign, and birefringence, pleochroism, etc., without having a full set of refractive index oils, and these other properties as well as just the approximate refractive index, are often sufficient to be diagnostic as to what a mineral is. At one, I simply made my own set of r.i. oils by purchasing bottles from a chemical supplier of several of the pure liquids and mixing them myself with a pipette, into a set of dropping bottles. Sincerely, Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 11:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book In-Reply-To: <00e001c3b838$52276a20$4f04efd1@oemcomputer> References: <010f01c3b7bc$0b05ccd0$1d8869d1@6663r01> <3FCB7FBC.2EA4CD6C@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031201101431.02040bb0@mail.aloha.net> At 08:24 AM 12/1/2003, you wrote: > I've heard that there are minerals from >localities outside of Ontario and Quebec, but they're all submicroscopic and >ugly at best. Heh, heh, heh. > >Tim Jokela Jr, I agree that Ontario and Quebec minerals are great, but we found some neat stuff in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 13:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Powell) Date: Mon Dec 1 13:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you Message-ID: <001b01c3b854$b6f132d0$fb8869d1@6663r01> As always, you rockhound ladies and gentlemen are great. Thank you for = all the guidance on the Canadian mineral books. And, thank you for the = good-natured humor! Best wishes, Darryl Powell Manchester, New York --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 14:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Mon Dec 1 14:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book References: <010f01c3b7bc$0b05ccd0$1d8869d1@6663r01> <3FCB7FBC.2EA4CD6C@gmx.de> <00e001c3b838$52276a20$4f04efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FCBBD8E.8397021E@utoronto.ca> One publication that has not been mentioned yet is Dr. Jack Satterly's opus, "A catalogue of the Ontario localities represented by the mineral collection of the Royal Ontario Museum". It is Miscellaneous Paper MP 70 of the Ontario Geological Survey, published in 1977. Localities are grouped under the mineral species name with map numbers, references, ROM specimen numbers and a brief description of occurrence included. Appendices and an index allow one to quickly cross reference. "Paper" is a bit misleading. It is 464 pages. If you have questions about specific Ontario localities, or about mineral specimens, you could do worse than contacting Dave Joyce of David K. Joyce Minerals. http://www.davidkjoyceminerals.com/ Liz liz.fodi@utoronto.ca From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 18:25:11 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Mon Dec 1 18:25:11 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Burners - flame tests In-Reply-To: <3FCB84DD.7060901@dal.ca> Message-ID: For simple color-based flame tests (e.g. lithium, strontium, sodium, barium) and for some borax and other bead techniques, these sources are probably fine. There are problems with both butane and propane torches as sources for flames for blowpipe tests, however. One is that the flame is expelled with considerable pressure, forming a cone that is hard to re-shape. The other is that the flame is oxygen-rich. Blowpipe techniques rely on re-directing a part of the flame (traditionally Bunsen burner or alcohol lamp) with a blowpipe to produce a sharp cone of flame that can be directed onto the specimen of interest. The inner part of the Bunsen burner flame, and most of the alcohol lamp flame, is low in oxygen, and can be used to produce a hot reducing environment around the target. The outer part is oxidized, and reacts with the target differently (not going into details here...). Unless you can re-direct the flame as suits your needs, and unless you have access to both oxidizing and reducing flames, you cannot do the whole range of (quite powerful) blowpipe tests, nor can you do all of the bead tests. All of these "19th century" techniques are quite useful qualitative chemical tests, and should be more widely used by amateurs (i.e. those who don't have scanning electron microscopes or x-ray diffractometers in their basements). Cheers, Pete >Hi All, > >While on the subject of mineral tests.... > >A local surplus store has some small butane torches for sale pretty >cheap. I was thinking of getting one (or telling my wife that it would >make a great xmas present) to do flame and bead tests. Are there are >factors to consider when choosing a flame source? Are there any >significant differences between butane and propane or any other >gas/liquid? I could imagine that the flame temperatures might be >different, but that shouldn't be a problem - correct? > >Later, >Ronnie Van Dommelen > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 20:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrographic microscopes References: <120120031559.16463.256a@att.net> Message-ID: <3FCC0F24.FDC24515@att.net> Nate et al., Here is one web page to get you started. Although learning spindle stage techniques is jumping the gun a little in some respects, using this device will help you understand more easily the difference between isotropic, uniaxal, and biaxial minerals. http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~mgunter/ss/ss.html This page contains a good introductory article: http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~mgunter/opt_min/article.pdf This is just the beginning! I will send more offlist when I get a chance. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 1 21:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 1 21:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Burners - flame tests References: <3FCB84DD.7060901@dal.ca> Message-ID: <3FCC2006.63E7@Tomaszewski.net> Ronnie, Flame tests are still valuable to amateurs, but most of them require a classic bunsen burner flame that can be used with a blowpipe to produce either a reducing or oxidizing flame; most butane torches produce only the hotter oxidizing flame. The flame temperature from the gas used should not be a significant issue if you know how to use a blowpipe, but the lack of a reducing flame will severely impact your available tests. You might want to rethink your gift selection. Kreigh Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > > Hi All, > > While on the subject of mineral tests.... > > A local surplus store has some small butane torches for sale pretty > cheap. I was thinking of getting one (or telling my wife that it would > make a great xmas present) to do flame and bead tests. Are there are > factors to consider when choosing a flame source? Are there any > significant differences between butane and propane or any other > gas/liquid? I could imagine that the flame temperatures might be > different, but that shouldn't be a problem - correct? > > Later, > Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 2 04:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (ItalianMinerals) Date: Tue Dec 2 04:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] hematite available Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031202130200.02590a00@popmail.libero.it> Hi there list, few lines to say that I have several very bright and well crystallized hematite specimens to sell from the iron mines of the well known Isola Elba, Italy. Their size range in between 2x3 and 10x10. Example of hematite can be seen on my website (http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/ita-room3.html). If interested contact me offlist. Thanks, Alessandro Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 2 11:24:10 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Dec 2 11:24:10 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book References: <010f01c3b7bc$0b05ccd0$1d8869d1@6663r01> <3FCB7FBC.2EA4CD6C@gmx.de> <00e001c3b838$52276a20$4f04efd1@oemcomputer> <3FCBBD8E.8397021E@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <000701c3b908$b14e9520$175204d0@jim> There have been a number of publications from the Geological Survey of Canada, most by Ann Sabina, that give detailed directions to collecting localities. They were quite reasonable, as I recall. Not all are still in print, however. Go to: www.geoscan.ess.nrcan.gc.ca Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz fodi" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book > > One publication that has not been mentioned yet is Dr. Jack Satterly's opus, "A catalogue > of the Ontario localities represented by the mineral collection of the Royal Ontario > Museum". It is Miscellaneous Paper MP 70 of the Ontario Geological Survey, published in > 1977. Localities are grouped under the mineral species name with map numbers, references, > ROM specimen numbers and a brief description of occurrence included. > > Appendices and an index allow one to quickly cross reference. "Paper" is a bit > misleading. It is 464 pages. > > If you have questions about specific Ontario localities, or about mineral specimens, you > could do worse than contacting Dave Joyce of David K. Joyce Minerals. > http://www.davidkjoyceminerals.com/ > > Liz > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 2 12:45:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Tue Dec 2 12:45:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Jamie Hill (No. Carolina Emeralds) Message-ID: Hi everyone, Does anyone on the list have recent contact info (phone number, preferably) for Jamie Hill of North Carolina Emeralds? Or know someone who might have? The last telephone number I have, from two years ago, is no longer in service. Cheers Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 2 14:21:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (peggy barnhill) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:21:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] show cases Message-ID: <034601c3b922$db5ae660$13f986ce@oemcomputer> hi group does anyone have web site for the display cabinet maker? his info was posted a few weeks ago and i can't find it . thanks barny --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 2 14:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] show cases In-Reply-To: <034601c3b922$db5ae660$13f986ce@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202130121.02389460@mail.aloha.net> You may be referring to the post Larry Rush made about a name plate Steve Reutlinger made. He does display cabinets and here is his website: http://members.aol.com/SJRPRIME/mmdhome.html Aloha, Kitty At 12:23 PM 12/2/2003, you wrote: >hi group > >does anyone have web site for the display cabinet maker? >his info was posted a few weeks ago and i can't find it . >thanks >barny > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 2 15:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (peggy barnhill) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] show cases References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202130121.02389460@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <042501c3b928$453a87c0$13f986ce@oemcomputer> again to the rescue. thats the one. thanks peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] show cases > You may be referring to the post Larry Rush made about a name plate Steve > Reutlinger made. He does display cabinets and here is his website: > > http://members.aol.com/SJRPRIME/mmdhome.html > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 12:23 PM 12/2/2003, you wrote: > > >hi group > > > >does anyone have web site for the display cabinet maker? > >his info was posted a few weeks ago and i can't find it . > >thanks > >barny > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 3 11:40:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:40:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microminerals from Palermo Mine and elsewhere Message-ID: <000b01c3b9d3$196085e0$525204d0@jim> I've just updated the Sauktown Sales website with a new supply of = material from the Palermo #1 Mine, N. Groton, NH. There are some species = new to the list, and some replenishment of species that were sold out. = There is also an assortment of specimens from other localities. I've also added an article on how to make an airtight mount for = specimens that are sensitive to moisture in the air. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 3 17:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Wed Dec 3 17:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz Message-ID: Hi All: This past weekend I collected from basalt in Connecticut something unusual in my experience both from a collecting perspective as well as a reading perspective. What I am wondering is has anyone else encountered the same kind of thing? How ofter does it occur? Where can this be found? How does it happen? Where can I read about what was going on etc.? What I found were crystals with tops of quartz and part way down the crystal it became calcite. What would be referred to as the core of the crystal. Thank you for any information you can provide. Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 3 20:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 3 20:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz References: Message-ID: <3FCEB2DE.79DA@Tomaszewski.net> Larry, It is not that unusual to have hydrothermal depsition of two or more minerals on top of each other as the layers are deposited in sequence, often across much time, and under very changed conditions. Amethyst scepters on quartz crystals (on matrix) are not an uncommon example, and I am sure you can think of others. You probably have some in your collection. But quartz over calcite is a new one to me. Have you actually done (at least) hardness tests to confirm your visual identification? I have a number of calcite crystals in my collection that even professional geologists have guessed were quartz on a visual identification. (I expect you have done your homework). Can you post (or share offline) pictures? I would be most pleased to see your specimens. Kreigh Lawrence Bull wrote: > > Hi All: > > This past weekend I collected from basalt in Connecticut something unusual > in my experience both from a collecting perspective as well as a reading > perspective. What I am wondering is has anyone else encountered the same > kind of thing? How ofter does it occur? Where can this be found? How does > it happen? Where can I read about what was going on etc.? > > What I found were crystals with tops of quartz and part way down the crystal > it became calcite. What would be referred to as the core of the crystal. > > Thank you for any information you can provide. > > Larry Bull From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 3 20:30:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Dec 3 20:30:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz Message-ID: <1d9.15b80a71.2d001213@aol.com> I've seen quartz after calcite -- aragonite to be precise. So is partial replacement a possibility? (-: John Scully In a message dated 12/3/2003 9:07:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: Larry, It is not that unusual to have hydrothermal depsition of two or more minerals on top of each other as the layers are deposited in sequence, often across much time, and under very changed conditions. Amethyst scepters on quartz crystals (on matrix) are not an uncommon example, and I am sure you can think of others. You probably have some in your collection. But quartz over calcite is a new one to me. Have you actually done (at least) hardness tests to confirm your visual identification? I have a number of calcite crystals in my collection that even professional geologists have guessed were quartz on a visual identification. (I expect you have done your homework). Can you post (or share offline) pictures? I would be most pleased to see your specimens. Kreigh --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 3 21:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 3 21:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz References: <1d9.15b80a71.2d001213@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FCEC454.1E7C@Tomaszewski.net> John, Good question! Calcite is CaCO3 (hexagonal), and Aragonite is CaCO3 (orthorhombic); Calcite to Aragonite makes sense from many possible minor enviroment changes (temp., ph, impurities, etc.) that could influence crystal structure. Jumping from Calcite, CaCO3 (hexagonal), to Quartz, SiO2 (hexagonal) implies Lime, CaO (cubic), would be released. Replacement can't be ruled out, but I have problems seeing a chemistry that would let it occur. If replacement occurred, wouldn't all surfaces be covered with quartz? Or do we need a third (and fourth) stage, to include a temporary covering layer that only affected the cracks (and was later removed), so only the crystal tips are quartz? Occam's Razor: Successive deposition is much more likely than replacement as a cause. YMMV. And I still have questions as to why only the tips would have growth of quartz (I think I am missing some subtle understanding of hexgonal side vs end crystal faces). Kreigh JScully216@aol.com wrote: > > I've seen quartz after calcite -- aragonite to be precise. So is partial > replacement a possibility? > > (-: > > John Scully > > In a message dated 12/3/2003 9:07:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, > Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net writes: > Larry, > > It is not that unusual to have hydrothermal depsition of two or more > minerals on top of each other as the layers are deposited in sequence, > often across much time, and under very changed conditions. Amethyst > scepters on quartz crystals (on matrix) are not an uncommon example, and > I am sure you can think of others. You probably have some in your > collection. > > But quartz over calcite is a new one to me. > > Have you actually done (at least) hardness tests to confirm your visual > identification? I have a number of calcite crystals in my collection > that even professional geologists have guessed were quartz on a visual > identification. (I expect you have done your homework). > > Can you post (or share offline) pictures? I would be most pleased to see > your specimens. > > Kreigh > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 3 21:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (HilmarKrocke) Date: Wed Dec 3 21:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book In-Reply-To: <000701c3b908$b14e9520$175204d0@jim> Message-ID: 2003.12.02 11:15Jim Daly There have been a number of publications from the Geological Survey of Canada, most by Ann Sabina, that give detailed directions to collecting localities. They were quite reasonable, as I recall. Not all are still in print, however. Go to: www.geoscan.ess.nrcan.gc.ca _______________________________________________________ Jim This address does not work. Is there a mistake ? Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 4 09:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 4 09:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz Message-ID: <120420031743.8468.bd5@att.net> Hello Larry & List, This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have simply an overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think more common would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are really calcite, or aragonite. Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it or send it where we can see it? Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 4 10:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Library Card Cases for Cheap In-Reply-To: <120420031743.8468.bd5@att.net> Message-ID: <008a01c3ba91$e45e37b0$6701a8c0@moose> I just picked up a library card-catalog case at the University of Minnesota "ReUse" store: http://www1.umn.edu/reuse/index.html The one I got is 10 drawers high by 5 wide... $150. Wood. Remember wood? Heck, remember actual, honest-to-gosh physical card catalogs? Anyway... They have five or six of these puppies left. Perfect for small minerals. If you are in the Twin Cities (MN) area, you should check 'em out. They also have all sorts of funky stuff. Big rat cages? Yup. Old file cabinets... Yup again. CHEAP... Regards, Gary www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 4 10:31:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:31:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book References: Message-ID: <002201c3ba93$c3c91540$385204d0@jim> Try it this way: www.nrcan.gc.ca/ess/esic/geoscan_e.html or just go to the Geological Survey main page and follow the links. The URL I sent originally was where I wound up, but perhaps you can't go there directly. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "HilmarKrocke" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book > 2003.12.02 11:15Jim Daly > > There have been a number of publications from the Geological Survey of > Canada, most by Ann Sabina, that give detailed directions to collecting > localities. They were quite reasonable, as I recall. Not all are still in > print, however. Go to: www.geoscan.ess.nrcan.gc.ca > _______________________________________________________ > > Jim > This address does not work. > Is there a mistake ? > > Hilmar > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 4 19:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Thu Dec 4 19:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz Message-ID: Hello All: Thank you all for your thoughts... It will take me a couple of days but I will get a friend of mine to take some pictures and post same. One observation I made was how easily the top quartz part of the crystal separated from the bottom calcite portion. I am meeting with a couple of friends tomorrow and wiill try to determine if it is calcite or aragonite at the base of the crystals. Again thanks. Larry Bull >From: pjmodreski@att.net >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz >Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:37 +0000 > >Hello Larry & List, > >This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in >crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have simply >an >overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz >perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think more common >would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. > >And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are really >calcite, or aragonite. > >Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it or >send it where we can see it? > >Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 5 00:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Fri Dec 5 00:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertisement: Engraved Mineral Labels-- Trade for Minerals or $ In-Reply-To: <002201c3ba93$c3c91540$385204d0@jim> Message-ID: For quite a few years, on and off, as a side line I have been engraving signs for electricians, plants, displays, and Lego bricks. Yes there is a small market for personalized Lego Bricks--Adult Lego Fans have conventions and I have been making their name badges. The signs are perfect for labels that you want to be classy and permanent. I have a computerized machine and can incorporate logos onto the label. Great for dealers for shows also. And you can pay in rocks. If any of you have need of such labels, email me off list. Tommy Armstrong tarmstrong@hockyjocky.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Jim Daly > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:24 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book > > > Try it this way: > www.nrcan.gc.ca/ess/esic/geoscan_e.html > or just go to the Geological Survey main page and follow the > links. The URL > I sent originally was where I wound up, but perhaps you can't go there > directly. > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.sauktown.com > sauktown@adsnet.com > or orders@sauktown.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HilmarKrocke" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Canadian Minerals Book > > > > 2003.12.02 11:15Jim Daly > > > > There have been a number of publications from the Geological Survey of > > Canada, most by Ann Sabina, that give detailed directions to collecting > > localities. They were quite reasonable, as I recall. Not all > are still in > > print, however. Go to: www.geoscan.ess.nrcan.gc.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > Jim > > This address does not work. > > Is there a mistake ? > > > > Hilmar > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 5 05:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Fri Dec 5 05:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Larry, I agree that if this if quartz following either calcite or aragonite, it would be unusual. One question that has not really been clearly posed is: Does each quartz crystal have its own calcite crystal underneath, so that the quartz crystals really form caps on individual calcite crystals, or is the specimen composed of quartz crystals, either individually or as a continuous layer, with unrelated calcite crystals underneath. The former would be much more interesting, especially if the calcite and quartz crystals were in parallel growth. There are reports in the older literature of quartz occurring as oriented overgrowths on calcite; the result is a crystal that often looks remarkably unlike quartz or calcite! I think these have been found at Yellowstone, among other places. I have an example of the reverse sequence - a mound of calcite crystals that once sat on top of a group of quartz crystals, which are now represented by pointed holes in the bottom of the calcite mass. However, there is a layer of fine-grained calcite between the two. In this case, it is clear that the quartz just happened to be there when the calcite formed, and other than the sequence of mineral deposition, there is nothing particularly interesting about the association. I hope your example reflects a more coherent relationship, in which case you have something unusual. I look forward to seeing your pictures. Pete >Hello All: > >Thank you all for your thoughts... > >It will take me a couple of days but I will get a friend of mine to take >some pictures and post same. > >One observation I made was how easily the top quartz part of the crystal >separated from the bottom calcite portion. > >I am meeting with a couple of friends tomorrow and wiill try to determine if >it is calcite or aragonite at the base of the crystals. > >Again thanks. > >Larry Bull > >>From: pjmodreski@att.net >>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz >>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:37 +0000 >> >>Hello Larry & List, >> >>This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in >>crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have simply >>an >>overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz >>perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think more common >>would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. >> >>And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are really >>calcite, or aragonite. >> >>Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it or >>send it where we can see it? >> >>Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_________________________________________________________________ >Donít worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. >Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 5 21:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Dec 5 21:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz References: Message-ID: <008301c3bbbc$dcfe3980$514227c4@horstspc> Hi all, Have been following this subject with some interest. What I have is a specimen of quartz pseudomorph after calcite (which is probably more common than the specimen underf discussion at the moment). I aquired this specimen many years ago from David New. The locality is given as Rattlesnake Butte, South Dakota. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > Larry, > > I agree that if this if quartz following either calcite or aragonite, it would be unusual. One question that has not really been clearly posed is: Does each quartz crystal have its own calcite crystal underneath, so that the quartz crystals really form caps on individual calcite crystals, or is the specimen composed of quartz crystals, either individually or as a continuous layer, with unrelated calcite crystals underneath. The former would be much more interesting, especially if the calcite and quartz crystals were in parallel growth. > > There are reports in the older literature of quartz occurring as oriented overgrowths on calcite; the result is a crystal that often looks remarkably unlike quartz or calcite! I think these have been found at Yellowstone, among other places. > > I have an example of the reverse sequence - a mound of calcite crystals that once sat on top of a group of quartz crystals, which are now represented by pointed holes in the bottom of the calcite mass. However, there is a layer of fine-grained calcite between the two. In this case, it is clear that the quartz just happened to be there when the calcite formed, and other than the sequence of mineral deposition, there is nothing particularly interesting about the association. > > I hope your example reflects a more coherent relationship, in which case you have something unusual. I look forward to seeing your pictures. > > Pete > > >Hello All: > > > >Thank you all for your thoughts... > > > >It will take me a couple of days but I will get a friend of mine to take > >some pictures and post same. > > > >One observation I made was how easily the top quartz part of the crystal > >separated from the bottom calcite portion. > > > >I am meeting with a couple of friends tomorrow and wiill try to determine if > >it is calcite or aragonite at the base of the crystals. > > > >Again thanks. > > > >Larry Bull > > > >>From: pjmodreski@att.net > >>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > >>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:37 +0000 > >> > >>Hello Larry & List, > >> > >>This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in > >>crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have simply > >>an > >>overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz > >>perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think more common > >>would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. > >> > >>And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are really > >>calcite, or aragonite. > >> > >>Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it or > >>send it where we can see it? > >> > >>Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Donít worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. > >Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 09:02:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Sat Dec 6 09:02:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz Message-ID: Hello List: As previously indicated I got together with a couple of friends last night to divide up the specimens we had collected last weekend. Of particular interest were the previously mentioned quartz/calcite specimens. The question is solved. By etching a lesser specimen (after dividing the material) which I was not previously in a position to do. It turns out that the quartz and calcite crystals are intergrown. This became readily apparent once placed in the acid. A big part of our misconstruing the situation was the common shadding of both the quartz and calcite at the bottom of the quartz crystals. This was in contrast to the top of the quartz crystals which lacked the shadding and were so clear. The etching also made it apparent that the quartz crystals were not directly over respective calcite crystals. Thank you all for all of your thoughts on this matter. It presented an interesting question but no such luck finding something truly unusual. Larry Bull >From: "Horst Windisch" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:44:08 +0200 > >Hi all, > >Have been following this subject with some interest. What I have is a >specimen of quartz pseudomorph after calcite (which is probably more common >than the specimen underf discussion at the moment). > >I aquired this specimen many years ago from David New. The locality is >given >as Rattlesnake Butte, South Dakota. > >Horst >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pete Richards" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > > > Larry, > > > > I agree that if this if quartz following either calcite or aragonite, it >would be unusual. One question that has not really been clearly posed is: >Does each quartz crystal have its own calcite crystal underneath, so that >the quartz crystals really form caps on individual calcite crystals, or is >the specimen composed of quartz crystals, either individually or as a >continuous layer, with unrelated calcite crystals underneath. The former >would be much more interesting, especially if the calcite and quartz >crystals were in parallel growth. > > > > There are reports in the older literature of quartz occurring as >oriented >overgrowths on calcite; the result is a crystal that often looks remarkably >unlike quartz or calcite! I think these have been found at Yellowstone, >among other places. > > > > I have an example of the reverse sequence - a mound of calcite crystals >that once sat on top of a group of quartz crystals, which are now >represented by pointed holes in the bottom of the calcite mass. However, >there is a layer of fine-grained calcite between the two. In this case, it >is clear that the quartz just happened to be there when the calcite formed, >and other than the sequence of mineral deposition, there is nothing >particularly interesting about the association. > > > > I hope your example reflects a more coherent relationship, in which case >you have something unusual. I look forward to seeing your pictures. > > > > Pete > > > > >Hello All: > > > > > >Thank you all for your thoughts... > > > > > >It will take me a couple of days but I will get a friend of mine to >take > > >some pictures and post same. > > > > > >One observation I made was how easily the top quartz part of the >crystal > > >separated from the bottom calcite portion. > > > > > >I am meeting with a couple of friends tomorrow and wiill try to >determine >if > > >it is calcite or aragonite at the base of the crystals. > > > > > >Again thanks. > > > > > >Larry Bull > > > > > >>From: pjmodreski@att.net > > >>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > >>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:37 +0000 > > >> > > >>Hello Larry & List, > > >> > > >>This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in > > >>crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have >simply > > >>an > > >>overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz > > >>perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think more >common > > >>would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. > > >> > > >>And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are >really > > >>calcite, or aragonite. > > >> > > >>Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it >or > > >>send it where we can see it? > > >> > > >>Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >>Subscription Services: > > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Donít worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the >holidays. > > >Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > > Mineral collector > > Crystallographer > > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 13:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 6 13:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz References: <008301c3bbbc$dcfe3980$514227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <3FD24517.4B21@Tomaszewski.net> Horst, Rattlesnake Butte is well known for its Calcite Crystals With Sand Inclusions. Might that be what you have instead of a pseudomorph? The calcite crystals grew in sand, imbedding/cementing the grains into the shape of the calcite crystals. Kreigh Horst Windisch wrote: > > Hi all, > > Have been following this subject with some interest. What I have is a > specimen of quartz pseudomorph after calcite (which is probably more common > than the specimen underf discussion at the moment). > > I aquired this specimen many years ago from David New. The locality is given > as Rattlesnake Butte, South Dakota. > > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Richards" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > > Larry, > > > > I agree that if this if quartz following either calcite or aragonite, it > would be unusual. One question that has not really been clearly posed is: > Does each quartz crystal have its own calcite crystal underneath, so that > the quartz crystals really form caps on individual calcite crystals, or is > the specimen composed of quartz crystals, either individually or as a > continuous layer, with unrelated calcite crystals underneath. The former > would be much more interesting, especially if the calcite and quartz > crystals were in parallel growth. > > > > There are reports in the older literature of quartz occurring as oriented > overgrowths on calcite; the result is a crystal that often looks remarkably > unlike quartz or calcite! I think these have been found at Yellowstone, > among other places. > > > > I have an example of the reverse sequence - a mound of calcite crystals > that once sat on top of a group of quartz crystals, which are now > represented by pointed holes in the bottom of the calcite mass. However, > there is a layer of fine-grained calcite between the two. In this case, it > is clear that the quartz just happened to be there when the calcite formed, > and other than the sequence of mineral deposition, there is nothing > particularly interesting about the association. > > > > I hope your example reflects a more coherent relationship, in which case > you have something unusual. I look forward to seeing your pictures. > > > > Pete > > > > >Hello All: > > > > > >Thank you all for your thoughts... > > > > > >It will take me a couple of days but I will get a friend of mine to take > > >some pictures and post same. > > > > > >One observation I made was how easily the top quartz part of the crystal > > >separated from the bottom calcite portion. > > > > > >I am meeting with a couple of friends tomorrow and wiill try to determine > if > > >it is calcite or aragonite at the base of the crystals. > > > > > >Again thanks. > > > > > >Larry Bull > > > > > >>From: pjmodreski@att.net > > >>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > >>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:37 +0000 > > >> > > >>Hello Larry & List, > > >> > > >>This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in > > >>crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have > simply > > >>an > > >>overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz > > >>perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think more common > > >>would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. > > >> > > >>And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are > really > > >>calcite, or aragonite. > > >> > > >>Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it > or > > >>send it where we can see it? > > >> > > >>Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > > Mineral collector > > Crystallographer > > SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 16:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Dec 6 16:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz In-Reply-To: <008301c3bbbc$dcfe3980$514227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: I bet it is a nice wone. Everything I ever bought from David New was great. I wish I had bought more. Is he still around? Tommy Armstrong > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Horst Windisch > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:44 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > > Hi all, > > Have been following this subject with some interest. What I have is a > specimen of quartz pseudomorph after calcite (which is probably > more common > than the specimen underf discussion at the moment). > > I aquired this specimen many years ago from David New. The > locality is given > as Rattlesnake Butte, South Dakota. > > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Richards" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > > > Larry, > > > > I agree that if this if quartz following either calcite or aragonite, it > would be unusual. One question that has not really been clearly posed is: > Does each quartz crystal have its own calcite crystal underneath, so that > the quartz crystals really form caps on individual calcite crystals, or is > the specimen composed of quartz crystals, either individually or as a > continuous layer, with unrelated calcite crystals underneath. The former > would be much more interesting, especially if the calcite and quartz > crystals were in parallel growth. > > > > There are reports in the older literature of quartz occurring > as oriented > overgrowths on calcite; the result is a crystal that often looks > remarkably > unlike quartz or calcite! I think these have been found at Yellowstone, > among other places. > > > > I have an example of the reverse sequence - a mound of calcite crystals > that once sat on top of a group of quartz crystals, which are now > represented by pointed holes in the bottom of the calcite mass. However, > there is a layer of fine-grained calcite between the two. In > this case, it > is clear that the quartz just happened to be there when the > calcite formed, > and other than the sequence of mineral deposition, there is nothing > particularly interesting about the association. > > > > I hope your example reflects a more coherent relationship, in which case > you have something unusual. I look forward to seeing your pictures. > > > > Pete > > > > >Hello All: > > > > > >Thank you all for your thoughts... > > > > > >It will take me a couple of days but I will get a friend of > mine to take > > >some pictures and post same. > > > > > >One observation I made was how easily the top quartz part of > the crystal > > >separated from the bottom calcite portion. > > > > > >I am meeting with a couple of friends tomorrow and wiill try > to determine > if > > >it is calcite or aragonite at the base of the crystals. > > > > > >Again thanks. > > > > > >Larry Bull > > > > > >>From: pjmodreski@att.net > > >>Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] calcite to quartz > > >>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:37 +0000 > > >> > > >>Hello Larry & List, > > >> > > >>This does sound unusual. Rather than a real "transition" (in > > >>crystallographic continuity) from calcite to quartz, you could have > simply > > >>an > > >>overgrowth of a quartz crystal(s) grown atop a calcite crystal, quartz > > >>perched on the calcite. This isn't all that common--I think > more common > > >>would be to see quartz grown first, then calcite crystals on top. > > >> > > >>And as others have noted, one might also wonder if your crystals are > really > > >>calcite, or aragonite. > > >> > > >>Do you have any means to take a picture of the overgrowths and post it > or > > >>send it where we can see it? > > >> > > >>Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >>Subscription Services: > > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Donít worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the > holidays. > > >Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > > Mineral collector > > Crystallographer > > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 16:16:19 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (HilmarKrocke) Date: Sat Dec 6 16:16:19 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD Message-ID: As a follow up to the recent discussion about clouds, here is a picture which I just received via e-mail. A truly spectacular "hat" over a mountain. Unfortunately there was no reference which mountain (volcano) this is. Maybe somebody will recognise it. By the way when a mountain has a hat it is a sign that the weather will stay good and you can go out rock-hunting ! Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 16:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sat Dec 6 16:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2385A0D2-284B-11D8-80CF-000393A96092@mac.com> i didnt see that photo but was it like this one ~KM On Dec 6, 2003, at 4:15 PM, HilmarKrocke wrote: > As a follow up to the recent discussion about clouds, here is a picture > which I just received via e-mail. > It is better to be a good person than a famous person From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 18:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Turner) Date: Sat Dec 6 18:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Calcite to Quartz Message-ID: <000b01c3bc68$11557620$c3affea9@figsbury> As a contribution to this discussion, quartz pseudomorphs after (octahedral) fluorite are quite common from Wheal Mary Ann in Devon, England. The consensus opinion appears to be that the formation mechanism was a three stage replacement process. Firstly, something coated the fluorite. Secondly, the fluorite dissolved out from under this coating, and was replaced with quartz. Thirdly, the original coating disappeared, leaving the pseudomorphs. It is quite conceivable that calcite could be replaced by quartz in the same way. The process seems to be quite common - from the same area of SW England there are similar examples of pseudomorphs involving siderite (the so-called 'Ladies Slippers' from the Virtuous Lady Mine, near Tavistock), and I have seen tourmaline pseudomorphs after feldspar that must have formed in a very similar way. Rick Turner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 6 22:45:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Dec 6 22:45:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD References: <2385A0D2-284B-11D8-80CF-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <002601c3bc8d$cba7faa0$85a4490c@pete> Kris, yes, that's a very neat picture of the "hat" cloud on the mountain. By the way, a postscript to the exchange earlier about lenticular clouds and "rotor" clouds, I wrote to Greg Thompson, author of the website on clouds (given below) with some questions about the difference, and here are his comments. [I had sent him a picture of a very elongate lenticular cloud over the Front Range last week--I haven't yet quite figured out a way to post it on a website so all could see it.] --- Pete Modreski, Denver CO Pete, A rotor cloud usually does rotate. It's quite possible and probably common for rotor clouds and lenticular clouds to appear in the sky at the same time at nearby locations. You just need the right combination of stability, moisture, and strong flow. A rotor cloud appears cigar-shaped and if you time-lapse video it, then you'll clearly see it rotating in a horizontal sense. I'm sure some of these rotate as rapidly as weak tornadoes - that would be a neat science fair project - using timelapse video you could make a rough calculation of the speed of rotation. Lenticular clouds get the name from "lens" shape or stack of plates. They are clearly a signal that air is following a curved path and the cloud forms on the up-motion side then dissipates on the down-motion side. The cloud stays quite stationary in general as air flows through it, saturates and forms the visible cloud, then evaporates. Timelapse of lenticular clouds is wonderful to watch and I've seen it shown on the news (weather segment) many times. I LOVE to watch such video. I hope this helps answer your question. Drop another email if you have further questions. I would agree that your photo probably shows a lenticular cloud not a rotor. Usually rotor clouds are much lower (closer to the ground) and tighter into the foothills. They're more easily seen in Boulder since it's so close to foothills. They typically don't last too long either whereas these lenticulars can last an entire day provided the moisture is just right. Perhaps the only sure-fire way to tell is timelapse video. If you carry a pair of binoculars, you might be able to determine if you can sit and stare at them long enough. If they are rotors, it will be quite obvious from viewing long enough. -- Greg Thompson In the Clouds Photography http://www.inclouds.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 10:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (ncl_inc) Date: Sun Dec 7 10:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] genie and other equipment Message-ID: <001d01c3b78c$7e295bd0$9001a8c0@Medion> Tim, I know the listing is old, but I wondered if you had sold the Genie and = other equipment? Rich Dillon --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 12:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] genie and other equipment In-Reply-To: <001d01c3b78c$7e295bd0$9001a8c0@Medion> References: <001d01c3b78c$7e295bd0$9001a8c0@Medion> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031207120203.01d7e068@mail.spiritone.com> Only the hole drill and the lortone trim saw are left. At 01:54 PM 11/30/2003, you wrote: >Tim, > >I know the listing is old, but I wondered if you had sold the Genie and >other equipment? > >Rich Dillon > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 12:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (HilmarKrocke) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Obviously the attachment with the picture has not been transmitted. I do not know any other way. I do not have my own website. No, it is not that one with Mt. Rainier, Kris. So I am sending it to you, Kris. Maybe you know how to put it ot there. I would appreciate if you did. The picture really is spectacular. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 13:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AWARD FOR TEACHERS Message-ID: If anybody out there is a teacher in northern California or knows = teachers, this may be of interest: The Northern California Geological Society offers a $500 plus $250 award = to a Teacher of the Year. Basic requirements: 3 years experience and an = earth science curriculum with a unit concerned with economic minerals or = oil and with environmental sustainability. Deadline for applications is = 2/13/04. Email me offline for application form and guidelines. John Stockwell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 15:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Dec 7 15:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> that is one of the most spectacular photos i have ever seen . i read through a link i found at the bottom of one of these messages about cloud photography and cloud types and i must say it really is neat stuff. hope ya'll enjoy the link here is the rainier one hope everyone is having a great day ~KM Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. On Dec 7, 2003, at 12:50 PM, HilmarKrocke wrote: > Obviously the attachment with the picture has not been transmitted. > I do not know any other way. I do not have my own website. > No, it is not that one with Mt. Rainier, Kris. > So I am sending it to you, Kris. Maybe you know how to put it ot there. > I would appreciate if you did. The picture really is spectacular. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 15:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 7 15:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD References: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> Message-ID: <3FD3BAAC.5927@Tomaszewski.net> That is an amazing picture. What mountain is it over? Kris Murray wrote: > > that is one of the most spectacular photos i have ever seen > . i read through a link i > found at the bottom of one of these messages about cloud photography > and cloud types and i must say it really is neat stuff. hope ya'll > enjoy the link here is the > rainier one > hope everyone is having a great day > ~KM > Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. > On Dec 7, 2003, at 12:50 PM, HilmarKrocke wrote: > > > Obviously the attachment with the picture has not been transmitted. > > I do not know any other way. I do not have my own website. > > No, it is not that one with Mt. Rainier, Kris. > > So I am sending it to you, Kris. Maybe you know how to put it ot there. > > I would appreciate if you did. The picture really is spectacular. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 20:29:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:29:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD References: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> Message-ID: <004e01c3bd43$ba167bc0$eda4490c@pete> Yes, Kris, that is a spectacular picture of the cap cloud over the mountain (http://131.191.52.106/~krismurr/cloud.jpg ). It certainly looks like a volcano, and I'll bet it's not one of the ones in the Cascades, perhaps it is one of the Alaskan volcanoes. The mountain that came to mind is Augustine Volcano, Cook Inlet, Alaska--just a guess, but I took a look at a website, http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/augu/augphoto1.html and if you compare the pictures, especially the second one shown on the page (here it is enlarged, http://www.avo.alaska.edu/gifs/1-3/01-69-03.jpg ), there's a fair chance this could be the same volcano. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Murray" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] CLOUD > that is one of the most spectacular photos i have ever seen > . i read through a link i > found at the bottom of one of these messages about cloud photography > and cloud types and i must say it really is neat stuff. hope ya'll > enjoy the link here is the > rainier one > hope everyone is having a great day > ~KM From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 7 20:39:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:39:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD In-Reply-To: <004e01c3bd43$ba167bc0$eda4490c@pete> References: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> <004e01c3bd43$ba167bc0$eda4490c@pete> Message-ID: <5CD29D44-2938-11D8-B1BF-000A95AF049E@mac.com> it wasn't mine, i put it up for Hilmar Krocke of this list. i was given the rainier one i referenced. the cap Hilmar asked me to show the group was and is awe-inspiring, but alas, I have no more info than that about it have a great day ~KM -- It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain --- On Dec 7, 2003, at 8:28 PM, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Yes, Kris, that is a spectacular picture of the cap cloud over the > mountain > (http://131.191.52.106/~krismurr/cloud.jpg ). > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 06:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Dec 8 06:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD In-Reply-To: <004e01c3bd43$ba167bc0$eda4490c@pete> Message-ID: Alaska or the Aleutians were my first thought on seeing the photo, there is a town at the water's edge and there seem to be mudflats at the bottom edge of the photo, so it seems to be taken across a narrow inlet. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > Yes, Kris, that is a spectacular picture of the cap cloud over > the mountain > (http://131.191.52.106/~krismurr/cloud.jpg ). > > It certainly looks like a volcano, and I'll bet it's not one of > the ones in > the Cascades, perhaps it is one of the Alaskan volcanoes. The > mountain that > came to mind is Augustine Volcano, Cook Inlet, Alaska--just a guess, but I > took a look at a website, > http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/augu/augphoto1.html and if you compare > the pictures, especially the second one shown on the page (here it is > enlarged, http://www.avo.alaska.edu/gifs/1-3/01-69-03.jpg ), > there's a fair > chance this could be the same volcano. > > Pete Modreski > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Murray" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] CLOUD > > > > that is one of the most spectacular photos i have ever seen > > . i read through a link i > > found at the bottom of one of these messages about cloud photography > > and cloud types and i must say it really is neat stuff. hope ya'll > > enjoy the link here is the > > rainier one > > hope everyone is having a great day > > ~KM > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 08:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Dec 8 08:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD References: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> <004e01c3bd43$ba167bc0$eda4490c@pete> Message-ID: <005601c3bda8$55ad9320$cb305841@powertech.net> I agree it is probably Alaska, but my guess would be it is more likely to be Mt. Illiamna, which is near Augustine. Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] CLOUD > Yes, Kris, that is a spectacular picture of the cap cloud over the mountain > (http://131.191.52.106/~krismurr/cloud.jpg ). > > It certainly looks like a volcano, and I'll bet it's not one of the ones in > the Cascades, perhaps it is one of the Alaskan volcanoes. The mountain that > came to mind is Augustine Volcano, Cook Inlet, Alaska--just a guess, but I > took a look at a website, > http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/augu/augphoto1.html and if you compare > the pictures, especially the second one shown on the page (here it is > enlarged, http://www.avo.alaska.edu/gifs/1-3/01-69-03.jpg ), there's a fair > chance this could be the same volcano. > > Pete Modreski > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Murray" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] CLOUD > > > > that is one of the most spectacular photos i have ever seen > > . i read through a link i > > found at the bottom of one of these messages about cloud photography > > and cloud types and i must say it really is neat stuff. hope ya'll > > enjoy the link here is the > > rainier one > > hope everyone is having a great day > > ~KM > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 08:43:14 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Dec 8 08:43:14 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... In-Reply-To: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> Message-ID: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> My girlfriend is re-doing her bathroom, and we came up with the idea of possibly tiling the walls of the shower with slabs of petrified wood. (It sure is nice having a sweetie that thinks spending two hours walking around the Badlands in South Dakota hunched over looking for agates is one of the BEST things in the world to do!) Sooooooo... Any suggestions? Anyone got a pile of slabs they want to sell? We're not looking for lapidary grade stuff...just nicely patterned pieces that would look good up on the wall. GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 08:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 8 08:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite/Topaz Message-ID: <12d.3683dad9.2d0604cf@aol.com> Does have any apatite crystals or toapz crystals (educational grade) that they would like to sell or trade? Thanks. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 09:41:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:41:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz Message-ID: I need to locate some specimens of optical quartz with both right and left handed rotation. The procedure for determining the optical orientation is relatively simple, but locating quartz I can test is not. Ideally, examples with a face or two intact would speed things (although this is not absolutely necessary). Does anyone know of a source of clear quartz in fairly large pieces at a reasonable price (need not be completely flawless, but should have areas I can use). All suggestions welcome. Thanks. Henry Barwood Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science Department of Math and Physics MSCX 312G Troy State University Troy, Alabama 36082 hbarwood@troyst.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 09:42:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:42:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <010801c3bdb1$5f386ba0$cb305841@powertech.net> Hey, that sounds really neat! Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... > My girlfriend is re-doing her bathroom, and we came up with the idea of > possibly tiling the walls of the shower with slabs of petrified wood. (It > sure is nice having a sweetie that thinks spending two hours walking around > the Badlands in South Dakota hunched over looking for agates is one of the > BEST things in the world to do!) Sooooooo... Any suggestions? Anyone got a > pile of slabs they want to sell? We're not looking for lapidary grade > stuff...just nicely patterned pieces that would look good up on the wall. > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 11:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Mon Dec 8 11:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <000401c3bdc0$096bb510$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Hi Gary, I have an Arizona log, 87 pounds, about 11 inch diameter, 16 inches long for $4 per pound plus actual shipping cost. All you need is to find someone local to slab it for you. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... > My girlfriend is re-doing her bathroom, and we came up with the idea of > possibly tiling the walls of the shower with slabs of petrified wood. (It > sure is nice having a sweetie that thinks spending two hours walking around > the Badlands in South Dakota hunched over looking for agates is one of the > BEST things in the world to do!) Sooooooo... Any suggestions? Anyone got a > pile of slabs they want to sell? We're not looking for lapidary grade > stuff...just nicely patterned pieces that would look good up on the wall. > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 11:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Dec 8 11:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... In-Reply-To: <000401c3bdc0$096bb510$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> <000401c3bdc0$096bb510$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Message-ID: <1BB763FE-29B5-11D8-B474-000393A96092@mac.com> where are you, do you have any photos? ~KM On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Dan Z wrote: > I have an Arizona log, 87 pounds, about 11 inch diameter, 16 inches > long for > $4 per pound plus actual shipping cost. All you need is to find someone > local to slab it for you. > Windows (WIHN-doze), n. - A 32-bit extension and graphical shell to a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit processor built by a 2-bit company that couldn't stand 1-bit of competition. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 11:33:27 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Dec 8 11:33:27 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... In-Reply-To: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <35CD67BC-29B5-11D8-B474-000393A96092@mac.com> i have hundreds of pounds of pet. bog and such that i would let go for=20= not too much on the pound ~KM On Dec 8, 2003, at 8:42 AM, Gary Brown wrote: > Sooooooo... Any suggestions? Anyone got a > pile of slabs they want to sell? We're not looking for lapidary grade > stuff...just nicely patterned pieces that would look good up on the=20 > wall. > Treat a man as he is; he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he can=20 and should be; and he will become as he can and should be. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0--- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 12:15:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:15:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite/Topaz Message-ID: Hi Dave, I've posted the same request several times, I hope you get more answers than I did. If you do, pass some of them, should you fulfil your requirements. Good luck, another Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 12:21:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:21:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> <000401c3bdc0$096bb510$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> <1BB763FE-29B5-11D8-B474-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <000401c3bdc8$b93baab0$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Pics are at: http://www.ManyFacets.com/petwood1.jpg and http://www.ManyFacets.com/petwood2.jpg We're in Albany, New York. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Murray" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... > where are you, do you have any photos? > ~KM > On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Dan Z wrote: > > > I have an Arizona log, 87 pounds, about 11 inch diameter, 16 inches > > long for > > $4 per pound plus actual shipping cost. All you need is to find someone > > local to slab it for you. > > > Windows (WIHN-doze), n. - A 32-bit extension and graphical shell to a > 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit > processor built by a 2-bit company that couldn't stand 1-bit of > competition. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 12:33:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:33:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: Message-ID: <022601c3bdca$78145df0$cece94d1@remains> here's a question... does anyone know if mineral tack/putty is produced in black? I have a friend looking for it in Europe. any help would be appreciated. thanks Michael From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 12:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... In-Reply-To: <000401c3bdc8$b93baab0$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> <000401c3bdc0$096bb510$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> <1BB763FE-29B5-11D8-B474-000393A96092@mac.com> <000401c3bdc8$b93baab0$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Message-ID: <1FB6A9EE-29BE-11D8-B474-000393A96092@mac.com> ohh thats too far for me to drive. ;( i hate to be a pest, but appx what is the length from the fat end to where it starts to become slender? what is roughly the area i have made in this mod photo Thanks in advance KM On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Dan Z wrote: > Pics are at: > http://www.ManyFacets.com/petwood1.jpg > and > http://www.ManyFacets.com/petwood2.jpg > > We're in Albany, New York. War is a purification rite From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 13:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Truesdail) Date: Mon Dec 8 13:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CLOUD In-Reply-To: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> References: <76694F6B-2909-11D8-9030-000A95AF049E@mac.com> Message-ID: <3FD4E8A4.50004@directcon.net> I haven't followed this thread but I read that the clouds you show are known as 'Lenticular clouds' as in lens shaped. They form under certain conditions. They occur over Lake Tahoe in the summer-fall and you can see several at the same time. Gary > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 14:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Mon Dec 8 14:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty Message-ID: Hi Michael I've coloured my own by kneading it with lampblack. Takes a bit of doing but it does go nice and black. Whether it's available pre-coloured I do not know. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton (under 30 inches of snow) Canada ================ here's a question... > >does anyone know if mineral tack/putty is produced in black? > >I have a friend looking for it in Europe. > >any help would be appreciated. >thanks > >Michael > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 14:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Dec 8 14:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: Message-ID: <004001c3bdde$f76d7140$2ace94d1@remains> what is "lampblack"? (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "H.Durstling" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > Hi Michael > > I've coloured my own by kneading it with lampblack. Takes a bit of doing > but it does go nice and black. Whether it's available pre-coloured I do not > know. > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton (under 30 inches of snow) > Canada > > ================ > > here's a question... > > > >does anyone know if mineral tack/putty is produced in black? > > > >I have a friend looking for it in Europe. > > > >any help would be appreciated. > >thanks > > > >Michael > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 15:30:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Mon Dec 8 15:30:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty Message-ID: "Lampblack" is essentially industrially prepared soot. Try a laboratory supply house. You can make it in small amounts by holding a candle flame up against a piece of cold metal & using the deposited soot as the pigment. Come to think of it black shoe polish might also work. Probably have to let the solvent evaporate first though, or maybe filter it through acetone to dissolve it out. I've tried the candle method. It works. The shoe polish is speculation. Cheers Hans in snowbound Moncton Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 15:31:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stuart Schmitt) Date: Mon Dec 8 15:31:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz References: Message-ID: <000901c3bde3$3bde34f0$6400a8c0@STUART> What is "fairly large"? I have a good supply of "dinged" points that can be used for tumble/polish and cutting/faceting. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz > I need to locate some specimens of optical quartz with both right and left > handed rotation. The procedure for determining the optical orientation is > relatively simple, but locating quartz I can test is not. Ideally, examples > with a face or two intact would speed things (although this is not > absolutely necessary). Does anyone know of a source of clear quartz in > fairly large pieces at a reasonable price (need not be completely flawless, > but should have areas I can use). All suggestions welcome. Thanks. > > Henry Barwood > Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science > Department of Math and Physics > MSCX 312G > Troy State University > Troy, Alabama 36082 > hbarwood@troyst.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 17:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Mon Dec 8 17:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite/Topaz References: <12d.3683dad9.2d0604cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <008901c3bdf1$bf9cd400$07cce718@bay.chartermi.net> Dave^2 et al... What do you think of as educational grade? small things to hand out? bigger things to pass around? reasonable prices so they can be sacrificial if dropped? I have some smaller, reasonably price materials that I have earmarked for kids. There are some topazes and apatites that I could round up if I knew what you were looking for. Check with me off list. Thanks, Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite/Topaz > Does have any apatite crystals or toapz crystals (educational grade) that > they would like to sell or trade? > > Thanks. > > Dave > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 18:24:36 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 8 18:24:36 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] PERKY BOXES Message-ID: <71.3899f7ed.2d068c38@aol.com> The Denver Box Company went out of business in July 2003 leaving thousands=20 hungry for the little thumbnail display boxes. I have good news. Fred @ Rockboxes.co= m bought out the old Denver Box Company=20 supplies. Last week, I called Fred and placed an order for some perky boxes=20 and some fold up boxes. I received the shipment today and was very well=20 pleased. His prices are very fair. Packaging was excellent and the shipping costs wer= e=20 low. I look forward to making many more purchases in the future. Fred can be contacted at: Mineral & Fossil Supply, Inc. 1441 W. 46th Avenue =E2=80=93 Unit # 7 Denver, CO 80211 Website: www.rockboxes.com =C2=A0 Phone 866-710-2700 or 303-433-0870 303-433-2709 (fax) Email: fred@rockboxes.com =20 Please pass this along and help fellow rockhounds Timothy McGinnis =20 =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 19:18:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 8 19:18:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz References: Message-ID: <3FD53EC3.1BB2@Tomaszewski.net> Henry, An article by Henry E. Paul from "Book Three of 'Amateur Telescope Making'" (1953 edition by Scientific American) on "Building a Birefringent Polarazing Monochromater for Solar Prominences" (pg 376) has many pages about acquiring, testing (and building the test equipment), properly aligning, and polishing optical quartz as it is the main component of the instrument. Worth hunting down (talk to your favorite Librarian) and reading if you have to work with the optical properties of the quartz you are looking for. The article suggests you should be looking for "Grade 1 _optical_ quartz crystals (often called 'stones')". Price/pound in 1952 was $25-50, and it was advised you should make sure return of unsuitable rough after nondestructive testing was allowed. 'River caps' that were surface damaged were the best buy. Sources identified included The Diamond Drill Carbon Co., Murray American Corp., Martin E. Quitt, Karl Lambrecht, Pan American Trading Co., and The American Gem and Pearl Co.. The last Edmond Scientific 'Optical' catalog I saw included optical quartz. It wasn't cheap. I hope this gives you some help towards your quest. Kreigh Henry Barwood wrote: > > I need to locate some specimens of optical quartz with both right and left > handed rotation. The procedure for determining the optical orientation is > relatively simple, but locating quartz I can test is not. Ideally, examples > with a face or two intact would speed things (although this is not > absolutely necessary). Does anyone know of a source of clear quartz in > fairly large pieces at a reasonable price (need not be completely flawless, > but should have areas I can use). All suggestions welcome. Thanks. > > Henry Barwood > Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science > Department of Math and Physics > MSCX 312G > Troy State University > Troy, Alabama 36082 > hbarwood@troyst.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 19:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 8 19:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Apatite/Topaz Message-ID: <191.22e10383.2d069aca@wmconnect.com> Hi: I have educational apatite for sale. Contact me off list at FenderNaturalResources@yahoo.com. Thanks. Maryanne (sydoniaaida) > Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite/Topaz > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Does have any apatite crystals or toapz crystals (educational grade) that > they would like to sell or trade? > > Thanks. > > Dave > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 19:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 8 19:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: <022601c3bdca$78145df0$cece94d1@remains> Message-ID: <3FD542C5.3738@Tomaszewski.net> Michael Schmidt wrote: > > here's a question... > > does anyone know if mineral tack/putty is produced in black? > > I have a friend looking for it in Europe. > > any help would be appreciated. > thanks > > Michael > Mix the white stuff with lampblack -- the only colors I have ever seen are white and blue. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 8 21:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 8 21:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slabs of Pet Wood... References: <012f01c3bdaa$488fa7d0$6701a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <3FD55956.5E6B@Tomaszewski.net> Gary, Lets inject a dose of reality... Nine 4x4 inch slabs (1/4, 3/8, 1/2 inch thick, your choice) make a square foot. Say you only go six feet up (like my {conventionally} tiled bathroom) instead of to the ceiling; 54 slabs per linear foot of wall space (96 if you go 3x3 inch). A tub/shower is what...2 1/2 x 5 feet? 10 linear by 6 tall feet by 9 slabs/sq ft gives 540 4x4 inch slabs. And you want to do the whole bathroom? Thank you for agreeing not to discuss the cost per 'slab'. ...and a dose of dreams... I would like to redo the tile in my bathroom with fire opal slabs. ...and mix them together... You are going to need a _lot_ of slabs! Pick a size (3 or 4 inch 'tiles' {or premium priced six or 12 inch}), thickness (1/4, 3/4, 1/2 inch), and start collecting. I suggest you not be very discerning as to the slab composition as long as the size fits. Or go with commercial marble. Great idea! Post pictures when done. Kreigh Gary Brown wrote: > > My girlfriend is re-doing her bathroom, and we came up with the idea of > possibly tiling the walls of the shower with slabs of petrified wood. (It > sure is nice having a sweetie that thinks spending two hours walking around > the Badlands in South Dakota hunched over looking for agates is one of the > BEST things in the world to do!) Sooooooo... Any suggestions? Anyone got a > pile of slabs they want to sell? We're not looking for lapidary grade > stuff...just nicely patterned pieces that would look good up on the wall. > > GcB > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 9 06:49:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Tue Dec 9 06:49:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz In-Reply-To: <000901c3bde3$3bde34f0$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: Hi Stuart, I need to be able to cut plates in the 1-3 cm size. Thanks. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Schmitt Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:30 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz What is "fairly large"? I have a good supply of "dinged" points that can be used for tumble/polish and cutting/faceting. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz > I need to locate some specimens of optical quartz with both right and left > handed rotation. The procedure for determining the optical orientation is > relatively simple, but locating quartz I can test is not. Ideally, examples > with a face or two intact would speed things (although this is not > absolutely necessary). Does anyone know of a source of clear quartz in > fairly large pieces at a reasonable price (need not be completely flawless, > but should have areas I can use). All suggestions welcome. Thanks. > > Henry Barwood > Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science > Department of Math and Physics > MSCX 312G > Troy State University > Troy, Alabama 36082 > hbarwood@troyst.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 9 06:49:29 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Dec 9 06:49:29 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One lab equivalent would be DARCO Activated Carbon, it comes in finely ground sizes, 300 mesh or so. Relatively cheap IIRC as far as reagents go. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > "Lampblack" is essentially industrially prepared soot. Try a laboratory > supply house. You can make it in small amounts by holding a > candle flame up > against a piece of cold metal & using the deposited soot as the pigment. > Come to think of it black shoe polish might also work. Probably > have to let > the solvent evaporate first though, or maybe filter it through acetone to > dissolve it out. I've tried the candle method. It works. The shoe > polish is > speculation. > > Cheers > Hans in snowbound Moncton Canada > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 9 06:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Tue Dec 9 06:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz In-Reply-To: <3FD53EC3.1BB2@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Dear Kreigh, The procedure for orienting and determining handedness is described quite nicely in Procedures in Experimental Physics by Strong, et. al., 1938. I've used the basic technique for 30 years to orient star quartz, but only recently have had an interest in building optical instruments. Thanks for responding. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:18 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz Henry, An article by Henry E. Paul from "Book Three of 'Amateur Telescope Making'" (1953 edition by Scientific American) on "Building a Birefringent Polarazing Monochromater for Solar Prominences" (pg 376) has many pages about acquiring, testing (and building the test equipment), properly aligning, and polishing optical quartz as it is the main component of the instrument. Worth hunting down (talk to your favorite Librarian) and reading if you have to work with the optical properties of the quartz you are looking for. The article suggests you should be looking for "Grade 1 _optical_ quartz crystals (often called 'stones')". Price/pound in 1952 was $25-50, and it was advised you should make sure return of unsuitable rough after nondestructive testing was allowed. 'River caps' that were surface damaged were the best buy. Sources identified included The Diamond Drill Carbon Co., Murray American Corp., Martin E. Quitt, Karl Lambrecht, Pan American Trading Co., and The American Gem and Pearl Co.. The last Edmond Scientific 'Optical' catalog I saw included optical quartz. It wasn't cheap. I hope this gives you some help towards your quest. Kreigh Henry Barwood wrote: > > I need to locate some specimens of optical quartz with both right and left > handed rotation. The procedure for determining the optical orientation is > relatively simple, but locating quartz I can test is not. Ideally, examples > with a face or two intact would speed things (although this is not > absolutely necessary). Does anyone know of a source of clear quartz in > fairly large pieces at a reasonable price (need not be completely flawless, > but should have areas I can use). All suggestions welcome. Thanks. > > Henry Barwood > Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science > Department of Math and Physics > MSCX 312G > Troy State University > Troy, Alabama 36082 > hbarwood@troyst.edu _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 9 08:26:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Dec 9 08:26:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: <004001c3bdde$f76d7140$2ace94d1@remains> Message-ID: <002901c3be60$123aff20$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> > what is "lampblack"? It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of my kerosene lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. John Santa, Idaho Not quite snowed in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > what is "lampblack"? > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 10 01:02:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Wed Dec 10 01:02:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: <004001c3bdde$f76d7140$2ace94d1@remains> <002901c3be60$123aff20$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <001101c3befc$3571eac0$97e1fea9@1> This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing properties, no? Have you really tried it? Armando, Portugal ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > what is "lampblack"? > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of my kerosene > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > John > Santa, Idaho > Not quite snowed in. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 10 06:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stuart Schmitt) Date: Wed Dec 10 06:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz References: Message-ID: <001201c3bf27$8b393dc0$6400a8c0@STUART> Hi Henry, I can handle the 1 - 3 cm size for $5 a pound. Will a ton be enough (smile)? Please contact me at stu@arcrystalmine.com With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz > Hi Stuart, > > I need to be able to cut plates in the 1-3 cm size. Thanks. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Schmitt > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:30 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz > > > What is "fairly large"? I have a good supply of "dinged" points that can be > used for tumble/polish and cutting/faceting. > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Barwood" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:39 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Optical quartz > > > > I need to locate some specimens of optical quartz with both right and left > > handed rotation. The procedure for determining the optical orientation is > > relatively simple, but locating quartz I can test is not. Ideally, > examples > > with a face or two intact would speed things (although this is not > > absolutely necessary). Does anyone know of a source of clear quartz in > > fairly large pieces at a reasonable price (need not be completely > flawless, > > but should have areas I can use). All suggestions welcome. Thanks. > > > > Henry Barwood > > Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science > > Department of Math and Physics > > MSCX 312G > > Troy State University > > Troy, Alabama 36082 > > hbarwood@troyst.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 10 08:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty In-Reply-To: <001101c3befc$3571eac0$97e1fea9@1> Message-ID: Carbon Black isn't coal dust, indeed it is used to color items black, commercialy. Newsprint ink uses carbon black for one. Coal has a lot of other things in it besides carbon. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing properties, > no? > Have you really tried it? > Armando, Portugal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Siebel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of > my kerosene > > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > > > John > > Santa, Idaho > > Not quite snowed in. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Schmidt" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 10 08:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: Message-ID: <000701c3bf3e$256ec5c0$97e1fea9@1> OK, OK. Does it glue or not? Armando ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] putty > Carbon Black isn't coal dust, indeed it is used to color items black, > commercialy. Newsprint ink uses carbon black for one. Coal has a lot of > other things in it besides carbon. > > Bryan > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the > sake of the latter." > > > This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing properties, > > no? > > Have you really tried it? > > Armando, Portugal > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Siebel" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of > > my kerosene > > > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > > > > > John > > > Santa, Idaho > > > Not quite snowed in. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Schmidt" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 10 10:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: <000701c3bf3e$256ec5c0$97e1fea9@1> Message-ID: <002601c3bf48$e85f3510$249f77d5@axel> Ah, Armando.... the million $ question.... will it glue... Coal or just carbon would indeed diminish the adhesive power of putty because of the granular nature of these substances.... Lampblack, however, is a form of carbon that is very light and "fluffy" and has hardly any granular properties since it forms almost atom per atom out of a reducing flame... (or better an oxygen-poor flame) You can make it by holding a cold glass plate or microscope slide (or porcelain teller) in a candle flame or the flame of an oil lamp. The soot that condenses on the glass is easily kneaded through the putty.... very little soot will go a very long way in coloring the putty black... I think it will glue just fine if you don't overdo it. When I was young (somewhere in the Mesozoic) this technique was used to make filters for looking at solar eclipses. Very effective. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "armando afonso" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > OK, OK. > Does it glue or not? > Armando > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > Carbon Black isn't coal dust, indeed it is used to color items black, > > commercialy. Newsprint ink uses carbon black for one. Coal has a lot of > > other things in it besides carbon. > > > > Bryan > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, > > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for > the > > sake of the latter." > > > > > This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing > properties, > > > no? > > > Have you really tried it? > > > Armando, Portugal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Siebel" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of > > > my kerosene > > > > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > > > > > > > John > > > > Santa, Idaho > > > > Not quite snowed in. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Schmidt" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 02:31:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Thu Dec 11 02:31:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: <000701c3bf3e$256ec5c0$97e1fea9@1> <002601c3bf48$e85f3510$249f77d5@axel> Message-ID: <000501c3bfd1$d5c47d00$97e1fea9@1> And what about photocopier toner ? Is it toxic? It seems thin enough. AA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > Ah, Armando.... the million $ question.... will it glue... > > Coal or just carbon would indeed diminish the adhesive power of putty > because of the granular nature of these substances.... > Lampblack, however, is a form of carbon that is very light and "fluffy" and > has hardly any granular properties since it forms almost atom per atom out > of a reducing flame... (or better an oxygen-poor flame) > You can make it by holding a cold glass plate or microscope slide (or > porcelain teller) in a candle flame or the flame of an oil lamp. The soot > that condenses on the glass is easily kneaded through the putty.... very > little soot will go a very long way in coloring the putty black... I think > it will glue just fine if you don't overdo it. > > When I was young (somewhere in the Mesozoic) this technique was used to make > filters for looking at solar eclipses. Very effective. > > Cheers > > Axel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "armando afonso" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > OK, OK. > > Does it glue or not? > > Armando > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > Carbon Black isn't coal dust, indeed it is used to color items black, > > > commercialy. Newsprint ink uses carbon black for one. Coal has a lot of > > > other things in it besides carbon. > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > posterity, > > > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for > > the > > > sake of the latter." > > > > > > > This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing > > properties, > > > > no? > > > > Have you really tried it? > > > > Armando, Portugal > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Siebel" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of > > > > my kerosene > > > > > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > Santa, Idaho > > > > > Not quite snowed in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael Schmidt" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 05:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 11 05:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty References: <000701c3bf3e$256ec5c0$97e1fea9@1> <002601c3bf48$e85f3510$249f77d5@axel> <000501c3bfd1$d5c47d00$97e1fea9@1> Message-ID: <002d01c3bfe7$b877b7b0$c89d77d5@axel> Might work, i'm not sure it's toxic or not... that also is carbon black... Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "armando afonso" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > And what about photocopier toner ? > Is it toxic? > It seems thin enough. > AA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > Ah, Armando.... the million $ question.... will it glue... > > > > Coal or just carbon would indeed diminish the adhesive power of putty > > because of the granular nature of these substances.... > > Lampblack, however, is a form of carbon that is very light and "fluffy" > and > > has hardly any granular properties since it forms almost atom per atom out > > of a reducing flame... (or better an oxygen-poor flame) > > You can make it by holding a cold glass plate or microscope slide (or > > porcelain teller) in a candle flame or the flame of an oil lamp. The soot > > that condenses on the glass is easily kneaded through the putty.... very > > little soot will go a very long way in coloring the putty black... I think > > it will glue just fine if you don't overdo it. > > > > When I was young (somewhere in the Mesozoic) this technique was used to > make > > filters for looking at solar eclipses. Very effective. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "armando afonso" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > OK, OK. > > > Does it glue or not? > > > Armando > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > Carbon Black isn't coal dust, indeed it is used to color items black, > > > > commercialy. Newsprint ink uses carbon black for one. Coal has a lot > of > > > > other things in it besides carbon. > > > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > > posterity, > > > > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, > for > > > the > > > > sake of the latter." > > > > > > > > > This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing > > > properties, > > > > > no? > > > > > Have you really tried it? > > > > > Armando, Portugal > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John Siebel" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of > > > > > my kerosene > > > > > > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > Santa, Idaho > > > > > > Not quite snowed in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Michael Schmidt" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 10:19:17 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:19:17 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada/Eat Your Heart Out! Message-ID: What a deal! In a local Half Price Books Store I found an unblemished = copy for $37.48. Since I've been carrying around an American Express = Gift Check AND had a 15% off coupon at the store, I wound up paying = $9.49 of my own money. Not bad, huh? Noticed it's available on Amazon for $52.50. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 10:47:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:47:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada References: Message-ID: <01ad01c3c017$1be85e60$42a0e0d5@pandora.be> So how is the book, John? Anyone who can give some comments on the content, pics, etc ? Cheers, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STOCKWELL" To: "rock hounds" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada/Eat Your Heart Out! What a deal! In a local Half Price Books Store I found an unblemished copy for $37.48. Since I've been carrying around an American Express Gift Check AND had a 15% off coupon at the store, I wound up paying $9.49 of my own money. Not bad, huh? Noticed it's available on Amazon for $52.50. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 12:37:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Dec 11 12:37:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada In-Reply-To: <01ad01c3c017$1be85e60$42a0e0d5@pandora.be> References: <01ad01c3c017$1be85e60$42a0e0d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3FD8D565.8050906@tenforward.com> Hi Herwig (and everyone), I'm looking forward to seeing you in Tucson! I'll be right down the row at the Inn Suites in room #169. I'll be sharing the room with Scott Kleine of Great Bassin Minerals (greatbasinminerals.com) who was honored with 19 photographs of his specimens being used in the book. He'll have some copies at the show and I know he's sure pumped about it. I'm planning on getting my copy from him and having him sign the photos. Remember 52 days til Tucson! All the best Herwig, say hi to Christine and the kids. See you soon, John herwig pelckmans wrote: >So how is the book, John? > >Anyone who can give some comments on the content, pics, etc ? > >Cheers, Herwig > >Herwig Pelckmans >Worldwide Mineral Collector >Cardijnstraat 12 >B-3530 Helchteren >Belgium Europe >http://www.xlizd.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JOHN STOCKWELL" >To: "rock hounds" >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:18 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada/Eat Your Heart Out! > > >What a deal! In a local Half Price Books Store I found an unblemished copy >for $37.48. Since I've been carrying around an American Express Gift Check >AND had a 15% off coupon at the store, I wound up paying $9.49 of my own >money. Not bad, huh? > >Noticed it's available on Amazon for $52.50. > >John > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 12:39:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Thu Dec 11 12:39:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada/Eat Your Heart Out! References: Message-ID: <001001c3c026$a9e3ba70$6500a8c0@westp1nnb5h9zg> When most people get a deal like that they have to use a knife, club or pistol. :-) Congratulations! Looks like Santa came to you early this year. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STOCKWELL" To: "rock hounds" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada/Eat Your Heart Out! What a deal! In a local Half Price Books Store I found an unblemished copy for $37.48. Since I've been carrying around an American Express Gift Check AND had a 15% off coupon at the store, I wound up paying $9.49 of my own money. Not bad, huh? Noticed it's available on Amazon for $52.50. John From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 15:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Thu Dec 11 15:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada References: <01ad01c3c017$1be85e60$42a0e0d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: Well, quickly, color plates are great! Looks good otherwise also. = Haven't had it for a full day yet. One criticism: paucity of attention = to cryptocrystalline quartzes, as if these weren't minerals. John=20 From: herwig pelckmans=20 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada So how is the book, John? Anyone who can give some comments on the content, pics, etc ? Cheers, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STOCKWELL" To: "rock hounds" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada/Eat Your Heart Out! What a deal! In a local Half Price Books Store I found an unblemished = copy for $37.48. Since I've been carrying around an American Express Gift = Check AND had a 15% off coupon at the store, I wound up paying $9.49 of my = own money. Not bad, huh? Noticed it's available on Amazon for $52.50. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 17:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada Message-ID: Herwig I have a copy, and it is very good and comprehensive. I especially liked the some of the more personnal recollections by some collectors, including Forest Cureton and Marty Jenson. Well recommended. The pictures are also very good (not withstanding the two I have in the book)! Jeff Weissman --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 17:26:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:26:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] putty In-Reply-To: <000701c3bf3e$256ec5c0$97e1fea9@1> Message-ID: One of the problems of lamp black and its cousin carbon black is that it has a very high oil absorbtion rate, and I would be a bit concerned that it would diminish the tackiness of the putty by absorbing the non drying tacky binder that is used. A better choice would probably be magnetite (called iron black) or black Iron oxide. It has much less oil absorbtion and would probably be a better candidate then the microfine carbon black. I'm not exactly sure what the binder for mineral tack is--but it has to have some kind of non-drying oil or polymer, probably an acrylic or silicone Here is where you can find a lifetime supply for $3.95. http://www.artstuf.com/DStock.fm$RETRIEVE?SKU=AC-1197&html=display Magnetite has very low oil absorbtion so I would be surprised if would affect the tackiness( and it is a naturally occuring mineral to boot), although the good grades are synthetic. Also has anyone had ever used museum putty, museum gel, or museum wax such as at: http://www.tri-dee.com/Adhesives.htm scroll to bottom. The gel seems to be maybe an ideal way to mount on plexiglass stands etc. Tommy ARmstrong > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of armando afonso > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:54 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > OK, OK. > Does it glue or not? > Armando > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > Carbon Black isn't coal dust, indeed it is used to color items black, > > commercialy. Newsprint ink uses carbon black for one. Coal has a lot of > > other things in it besides carbon. > > > > Bryan > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > posterity, > > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for > the > > sake of the latter." > > > > > This mix of coal probably compromise the elasticity and gluing > properties, > > > no? > > > Have you really tried it? > > > Armando, Portugal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Siebel" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > It's the carbon crud that accumulates on the glass chimneys of > > > my kerosene > > > > lamps when I don't trim the wicks properly. > > > > > > > > John > > > > Santa, Idaho > > > > Not quite snowed in. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Schmidt" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] putty > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is "lampblack"? > > > > > > > > > > (not much snow, but it's 20 below!) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 11 19:32:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Dec 11 19:32:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Nevada In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD93641.5000209@tenforward.com> Hey Jeff, Congratulations! neat accomplishment! John MinPhoto@aol.com wrote: >Herwig > >I have a copy, and it is very good and comprehensive. I especially liked >the some of the more personnal recollections by some collectors, including >Forest Cureton and Marty Jenson. Well recommended. The pictures are also very >good (not withstanding the two I have in the book)! > >Jeff Weissman > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 12 18:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Norcorss (Atlanta), GA show this weekend! Message-ID: <3FD7D1D8.A866B34C@icx.net> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Georgia Mineral Society's Holiday Show this weekend in Norcorss (Atlanta), GA. Looking for a place to buy those unique Christmas gifts? This is the show for you! Great folks doing a great show! My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! And for you faceters ... I will have a used Ultra Tech with 8-8" laps for sale. I'm trying to help out with the closing of an estate. If you're interested, stop by and see the machine. It seems to be in very good shape. The owner, due to health problems, had not used the machine in a good while. Dates: Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 12-14, 2003 Hours: Friday - 10:00 am - 7:00 pm Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 12:00 am - 5:00 pm Location: North Atlanta Trade Center 1700 Jeurgens Ct. Norcorss, GA Contact me for more info or see the club's site at: http://www.gamineral.org/december-show.htm Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 13 12:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Dec 13 12:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Dec.-Jan. earth science events & websites Message-ID: <009b01c3c1b6$e8599720$e2a5490c@pete> Dear Rockhounds, >From my office at the USGS I send out periodically an email message about "geology & earth science-related" activities and events taking place around Denver. My latest message, which I sent out yesterday, includes comments about a number of websites and things that will be of general interest, aside from specific physical events in Colorado. So, I've edited out the only "local interest" items, and I thought I'd share with those of you on the list, the rest that are of [possible] interest wherever you are. Some of these items are still about Colorado, but I think may be of general interest too. Best regards and happy holiday wishes to all, Pete Modreski, Denver CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J Modreski" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Dec.-Jan. earth science events > Dear friends & colleagues, > > I wanted to send one more email about "earth science events & activities of general interest" before the Christmas holidays (unless I learn about something really urgent and exciting in the next week or so). So, here is my message, and I'll probably be back in touch with more emails sometime after Christmas or New Year's. Happy holidays and best wishes to all! > While you're at our Map Sales lobby [to pick up free surplus USGS maps we're giving away as Xmas wrapping paper--sorry, you have to get this in person, we don't quite have a way to send it over the internet!], see if we don't have any new and exciting maps or publications you'd like for yourself or as a gift for a friend. You can view online some very good summaries (with pictures) of popular USGS maps, books, and other products at > http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/outreach/mapcatalog/ and > www.usgs.gov/picturingscience (to view the picture shows on this website you'll need to install a free Shockwave plugin--a link is provided). If you have questions or for map information, call 303-202-4200 or 1-888-ASK-USGS. > > Thursday's Denver Post carried a detailed article about the Morrison Museum's new project to reopen the 1877 dinosaur quarry on the hogback just north of Morrison, to see if more remains of Apatosaurus ajax (and coexisting plants [its food?] and critters) can be found. The project is led by the well-known paleontologist Bob Bakker plus Morrison Museum staff paleontologist Matt Mossbrucker; and volunteers to help with the dig are solicited! You can view the Post article online directly at > http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1823019,00.html?searc h=filter# or see the museum's website for more information about the "Ajax Project", http://town.morrison.co.us/mnhm/index.php > P.S., today's (Friday Dec. 12) Denver Post also contained an article about Bruce Young and his Triceratops finds made in Broomfield CO as a volunteer for the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. The online story is at > http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1822963,00.html Also check out our Friends of Dinosaur Ridge website at http://www.dinoridge.org, > YULE MARBLE - You've probably heard by now that a girl scout group is proposing that the Colorado State Legislature designate "Colorado Yule Marble" as the State Rock. Vince Matthews of the Colorado Geological Survey has prepared an excellent online slide program about the history and geology of marble quarrying at Marble, Colorado. View it direct from the CGS website at: at > http://geosurvey.state.co.us/general_info/YuleMarble_files/frame.htm > or access is from the CGS home page, http://geosurvey.state.co.us > > LEARNING ABOUT USING MAPS - I have two websites to recommend. One is from the USGS educational web pages; all of our information handouts about map, compass, and Global Positioning System reading and use are posted online > at: http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/outreach/gps.html A separate website maintained by the Geospatial Training and Analysis Cooperative has an excellent selection of web page information and tutorials about everything connected with topographic maps: > http://geology.isu.edu/geostac/Field_Exercise/topomaps/index.htm > > which leads us to a super gallery of satellite images, EARTH AS ART (PART II) is an online gallery of USGS-EDC (Eros Data Center) satellite images of the earth. You can view, print, or save this selection of extra-neat satellite images, some of which are grouped into categories of Natural Features, Cities, States, and just Earth as Art (aesthetic beauty). Be sure to look at the Earth As Art collections both Part I and Part II. > http://edcw2ks15.cr.usgs.gov:8090/ImageGallery/SilverStream/Pages/pgcollecti ondisplay.html > > and finally to satellites: ISS, SATELLITES, AND SPACE JUNK - I mentioned in an earlier email a NASA website that tells you when the International Space Station will be visible from your city: http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ A colleague also pointed me to another website that gives you times & other information not only for the ISS but for any other orbiting satellites visible from your location; check it out at, > http://www.heavens-above.com/allsats.asp?lat=39.613&lng=-105.016&alt=0&loc=L ittleton&TZ=MST&Mag=4.5 > (you can customize the coordinates for your own location). > I should have written this message one day earlier, because I see now that yesterday (Thursday Dec. 11) was a perfect evening to observe the ISS, it passed almost directly overhead at 5:24 MST and should have been visible for a full 6 minutes; brightness = magnitude -0.8 > > and back to earth, > EARTHQUAKES - I'm sure you know that the USGS has a great deal of information accessible on its various Earthquake web pages (as we have about just every other earth science topic). Did you know that one of our recently added features is "Community Internet Intensity Maps", where citizen input through the internet is automatically plotted and displayed to show where, and how severely, earthquakes were felt? For example, there was a M 4.5 earthquake this Tuesday, Dec. 9, west of Richmond VA. If you go to the page > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/uscdbf.htm > you'll see a lot of information about this earthquake. Scroll down to "Did you feel it?" and you'll see the distribution of earthquake reports by residents in the region. Click on "Theoretical p-wave travel times" and you'll see a map of the entire world, showing how long it takes seismic waves from that earthquake to reach every part of the world (in this case for the VA earthquake, it would have taken the P-waves 6 minutes to reach the California coast, and 20 minutes to reach the exact opposite point on the surface of Earth--in the ocean off the southwest coast of Australia). You can find similar information for most recorded earthquakes. > > still on earth, > BIRDS - considering this to be part of earth science in the broad sense, I recently learned of a very interesting site that documents weekly winter counts of birds observed by participating citizens throughout North America. "Project Feeder Watch", coordinated by Cornell University, is at > http://birds.cornell.edu/pfw/ > You can view maps depicting current or past numbers of birds observed throughout the country, lists of the most common birds observed in each state, etc., and you can read about how to join this bird count and send in your own data. > > LAST BUT NOT LEAST - If you'd like to read about MISTLETOE, go to the USGS > web page at: > http://www.usgs.gov/mistletoe/index.html > and get a full and interesting story about this beloved parasite! > > This is about as much information as I can reasonably cram into one email > message; I think I'll quit now. Wishing everyone a very merry Christmas > and happy New Year, whether you stay in (Colorado?) or wherever your > travels may take you, > > Happy Holidays, > Pete Modreski > > ****************************************** > Peter J. Modreski > U.S. Geological Survey, Denver, Colorado > Central Region Office of Communications > Events and Community Relations - Geologic Outreach & Education > USGS, MS 150 > Box 25046, Federal Center > Denver, CO 80225-0046 > tel. 303-202-4766, fax 303-202-4767 > email pmodreski@usgs.gov > SCIENCE FOR A CHANGING WORLD > http://www.usgs.gov http://ask.usgs.gov > ****************************************** From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 13 19:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat Dec 13 19:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] UK Trip In-Reply-To: <009b01c3c1b6$e8599720$e2a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <004001c3c1f2$280ea280$6701a8c0@moose> Last call for me to haul stuff over to the UK and amaze the inspectors... I'll be in London from Wed - Monday. Anyone interested in trading for some Franklin stuff? Hanging out? Buying me a pint or two ? Regards, Gary From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 16 20:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 16 20:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] It rained red mud today Message-ID: <3FDFDB14.591D@Tomaszewski.net> We had rain earlier today (that has since turned to snow) in West Michigan. The light rain left red mud spots on everything (and some pink snow spots for a while). Weather teams at the local tv stations, the EPA, and the national weather service have independently confirmed it was caused by dust picked up by strong storms in New Mexico and Texas, transported by a low dip of the jet stream, and dropped onto Eastern Wisconson and West Michigan. Its a great day when geology is one of the lead stories on the 11 o'clock news. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 16 21:14:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 21:14:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question Message-ID: <106.2a486116.2d113fef@aol.com> Has anyone heard of a mineral called "Pristine"? Does anyone know exactly where it is found? It is a pure white material similar to howlite but much harder and purer in color. It is found somewhere in Northern Arizona. Thank you --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 06:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Wed Dec 17 06:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question In-Reply-To: <106.2a486116.2d113fef@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217092120.01dcb2d8@po2.bbn.com> A good resource for verifying approved mineral names is http://webmineral.com/Alphabetical_Listing.shtml By going to the section for mineral names beginning with the letter "P" you can quickly determine that there is no accredited mineral with the name "Pristine". The closest match is "Prismatine" but its color and physical properties do not sound consistent with your description. I suspect that "Pristine" is just another example of a varietal name (either in common use or simply made up on the spot by someone who either couldn't identify what they had or wanted to make it sound better than it is). If you find out what it really is let us know. Best regards, Nate Martin At 12:13 AM 12/17/2003, you wrote: >Has anyone heard of a mineral called "Pristine"? Does anyone know exactly >where it is found? It is a pure white material similar to howlite but much >harder >and purer in color. It is found somewhere in Northern Arizona. Thank you From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 06:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Dec 17 06:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals Message-ID: I just posted an article on my web site: Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals It shows how to build it for less than a dollar and will detect magnetic minerals even in small samples. Go to: http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles/magnet.htm John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 07:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed Dec 17 07:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals References: Message-ID: <00be01c3c4b1$63f17590$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Dear John, Great idea. I just tie a thread to a magnet and tie the thread to a stationary object such as a lamp. The new magnets are strong enough to be attracted to rare earth element minerals. Noticed you showed an almandine attracting a magnet. Many collectors might be unaware that sedimentologists use powerful electromagnets to separate mineral grains such as amphiboles, pyroxenes, epidote, etc. from sand. By changing the field strength and speed the sand passes by the magnet, a relatively pure mineral fraction can be had. Of course, the strongly magnetic minerals have to be removed first otherwise they "gum up" the magnet. I panned for the incredible, transparent, doubly terminated staurolites (to 1 mm) in the stream in Johnson Park in Trainer, PA and tried to get a geologist willing to run the sample through a magnet. Have been waiting four years. Fortunately, I kept some of the sand and recovered a few by the old hunt and peck method. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 07:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Meyer, Bill J KRT-KRT) Date: Wed Dec 17 07:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] It rained red mud today Message-ID: Check out the front page of the Houston Chronicle at www.houstonchronicle.com for more on this story. Bill Meyer KRATON LIQUID(R) Polymers 3333 Hwy 6 So. Room CR-132 Houston TX 77082 281-668-3204 bill.meyer@kraton.com -----Original Message----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski [mailto:Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:34 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] It rained red mud today We had rain earlier today (that has since turned to snow) in West Michigan. The light rain left red mud spots on everything (and some pink snow spots for a while). Weather teams at the local tv stations, the EPA, and the national weather service have independently confirmed it was caused by dust picked up by strong storms in New Mexico and Texas, transported by a low dip of the jet stream, and dropped onto Eastern Wisconson and West Michigan. Its a great day when geology is one of the lead stories on the 11 o'clock news. Kreigh _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 07:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Wed Dec 17 07:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217104132.01ddf8f8@po2.bbn.com> John, Thanks for another useful article! I was looking for something like this earlier this year. This looks simple enough that even I should be able to build one. Nate Martin At 09:42 AM 12/17/2003, you wrote: >I just posted an article on my web site: Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic >Minerals > >It shows how to build it for less than a dollar and will detect magnetic >minerals even in small samples. > >Go to: >http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles/magnet.htm > >John Betts >www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 08:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Wed Dec 17 08:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217104132.01ddf8f8@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <3FE08089.4040504@dal.ca> Hi All, If you don't have a bendable straw, you could use a straight one and have a movable weight on the other end. Something like a paperclip or some tinfoil that could be slid in and out of the end of the straw. Also, where you put the needle through the straw changes the sensitivity of the device. If the needle is near the top of the cross section of the straw, most of the weight will be below that point, and it will be more stable but less sensitive. As the needle gets lower, the reverse is true. Also for increased sensitivity, look for the very powerful rare earth magnets. Happy Collecting, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 08:32:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Dec 17 08:32:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217104132.01ddf8f8@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <016c01c3c4bb$3974cbf0$ee9c77d5@axel> Great thinking! The only drawback is that you can't use it for microscopic crystals. The mass of the magnet would have too much inertia. A steel needle hanging from a very thin silk wire or even a human hair (superglued on) is most useful for that purpose. I detected magnetism (under the microscope) in a crystal that was too small to see with the naked eye with this method. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Martin II" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > John, > > Thanks for another useful article! I was looking for something like this > earlier this year. This looks simple enough that even I should be able to > build one. > > Nate Martin > > At 09:42 AM 12/17/2003, you wrote: > >I just posted an article on my web site: Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic > >Minerals > > > >It shows how to build it for less than a dollar and will detect magnetic > >minerals even in small samples. > > > >Go to: > >http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles/magnet.htm > > > >John Betts > >www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 09:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oxford County bicentennial Message-ID: <00a801c3c4c0$9ce53da0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> As you may be aware, the bicentennial for Oxford County, Maine is coming = up in 2005. Over the years, I've been researching and writing about the = mining history of mining, principally in Oxford County. In the year = 2000, a fairly large summary of this research was published by the Maine = Geological Survey in the Mineralogy of Maine, volume 2. In view of the = bicentennial, I've indicated to the Oxford County Bicentennial Committee = my interest in producing three books which would encompass all of the = mining history in the region. The books would concentrate on separate = regions: Newry-Rumford, Paris-Buckfield, and Greenwood-Stoneham. Each = book would also include much local history and biographical information = of the people involved in the mines. By far the most widely read book = would be the Greenwood book as it would include the biography of George = Howe. Most people won't be concerned with his being the person who named = "watermelon tourmaline" as they would his involvement in forming a youth = group in 1898 which was soon imitated by the Woodcrafters (1902) and the = Sons of Daniel Boone (1905), and much later by the Boy Scouts (1908). = There is a photograph of Howe's group in a 1904 issue of the Lewiston = Journal entitled: "The Boy Scouts". I just acquired a 1907 manual = written by Howe's friend, Hortense Gregg, who led a girl's group in = Norway at George's invitation. The manual is designed to show women how = they could form a girls' group and what kind of activities they could = engage in during camping trips, including mineral and pearl collecting. To this end, I would have to devote my full-time attention to this = writing project. I usually fit research in between various short = assignments. Most people who have not written a non-fiction book are = unaware of how difficult it is to get a story completed and correct. = Reminds one of the advice given in the late 1890's by Cecil Tilley = (tilleyite) to Norman Bowen (Bowen's reaction series): "Don't go into = mineralogy, it will eat up your time." The same is true of going into = historical research. One of the goals in my writing has been to try to = eliminate folklore and hearsay and to document the actual facts. In recent weeks, I've begun to organize the above mentioned writing = project and to interest a 501 (3)c organization to receive donations for = the project and which would provide the donor with a tax advantage for = their donations. Much of the donations would be used for travel and = expenses to visit repositories of information, both in Maine and in more = far flung localities in Worcester, Massachusetts, Madison, Wisconsin, = Reston, Virginia, New York City, etc. In researching the history of Maine mining, beginning in the late = 1970's, it became very obvious to me that many of the historical = documents, photographs, letters, etc., were "out-of-state". I'm writing = this to ask people to keep an "eye out" for original documents and = photographs which might not otherwise come to my attention. I still = offer a two-lobster dinner reward for anyone locating and arranging that = I read from and cite from the "lost" diary of Dr. Hiram Francis Abbott = formerly of Rumford Point, Maine. Abbott was one of the original = investors in the Newry mines along with Waldo Pettengill, Hugh Chisholm, = Hollis Dunton, and Dr. Joseph Abbott Nile. The diary was in the = possession of Thurston Cole of Rumford Point up to the time of his death = in 1966. Best Regards, Van --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 09:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031217072426.0302a020@mail.aloha.net> Hi list, I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they say it is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other than...well, amber. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 09:30:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:30:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals Message-ID: <143.1e7e0224.2d11ec87@aol.com> In a message dated 12/17/2003 10:22:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, newryqs@rochester.rr.com writes: > Noticed you showed an almandine attracting a magnet That goes to show you that you can't identify a mineral from a photo. It was not a garnet, but a Lorenzenite and Eudialyte from Lovozero. John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 09:43:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:43:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031217072426.0302a020@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Hi Kitty, According to Bauer's Precious Stones (published originally in the 1800's?), besides the shades of yellow we know as "amber", Baltic amber is also found in red, green and blue shades. The red is attributed to weathering, and the green and blue from inclusions (bubbles?). He notes that the green and blue forms are always turbid in appearance. Hope this helps. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:37 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? Hi list, I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they say it is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other than...well, amber. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 09:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals References: <143.1e7e0224.2d11ec87@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c3c4c7$58214fe0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Golly. Maybe that should read, "Doh!" Was sure it was a Wrangell specimen, but then you're right: sometimes a thousand words (= 1 photograph) are not enough. Reminds me of some advice given to me (and others) many years ago by Neal Yedlin - "Never show a picture the audience can't identify." Of course, he wasn't saying the species which you show should be limited, but that the photo should resemble the species in question. The photographer can be responsible for an old man wearing glasses who is slightly dyslexic ... Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 10:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 17 10:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031217072426.0302a020@mail.aloha.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031217072426.0302a020@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3FE09A37.9060101@tenforward.com> Hi Kitty, Here in Washington, we have an amber locality on Tiger Mountain. The amber here is indeed amber colored, but when polished, the amber emits a wonderful shimmering blue phosphorescence which is visible in daylight. There are other localities worldwide which also display this rare phenomenon. All the best and happy holidays to everyone! Take care, John Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop > as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ > http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] > that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some > amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they > say it > is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know > anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other > than...well, amber. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 11:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Dec 17 11:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217104132.01ddf8f8@po2.bbn.com> <016c01c3c4bb$3974cbf0$ee9c77d5@axel> Message-ID: <002501c3c4d2$b123de40$525204d0@jim> This technique (the needle suspended by a fine thread) was used by Curt Segeler many years ago. I don't know if he originated it, though. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > Great thinking! > The only drawback is that you can't use it for microscopic crystals. The > mass of the magnet would have too much inertia. > A steel needle hanging from a very thin silk wire or even a human hair > (superglued on) is most useful for that purpose. > I detected magnetism (under the microscope) in a crystal that was too small > to see with the naked eye with this method. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan C. Martin II" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > > > > John, > > > > Thanks for another useful article! I was looking for something like this > > earlier this year. This looks simple enough that even I should be able to > > build one. > > > > Nate Martin > > > > At 09:42 AM 12/17/2003, you wrote: > > >I just posted an article on my web site: Simple Device for Detecting > Magnetic > > >Minerals > > > > > >It shows how to build it for less than a dollar and will detect magnetic > > >minerals even in small samples. > > > > > >Go to: > > >http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles/magnet.htm > > > > > >John Betts > > >www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 11:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Jaszczak) Date: Wed Dec 17 11:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals In-Reply-To: <002501c3c4d2$b123de40$525204d0@jim> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217104132.01ddf8f8@po2.bbn.com> <016c01c3c4bb$3974cbf0$ee9c77d5@axel> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031217144325.00aecc58@email.mtu.edu> Bill Henderson published a sensitive magnetic device for use with microminerals in the Mineralogical Record many years ago. Sorry I don't have the reference handy. It would be interesting to see if some of the new rare earth magnets properly suspended could detect diamagnetism (diamagnetic materials will be repelled by permanent magnets!). The effect is usually extremely weak; however, bismuth and graphite have relatively high diamagnetic susceptibilities. You can see a graphite crystal floating on some magnets at http://www.phy.mtu.edu/nue/CubeHover_small.html You can't do that with ordinary magnets! Cheers, John Jaszczak At 01:19 PM 12/17/2003 -0600, you wrote: >This technique (the needle suspended by a fine thread) was used by Curt >Segeler many years ago. I don't know if he originated it, though. >Jim Daly >Sauktown Sales >Microminerals and mounting supplies >http://www.sauktown.com >sauktown@adsnet.com >or orders@sauktown.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Axel Emmermann" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:31 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > > > > Great thinking! > > The only drawback is that you can't use it for microscopic crystals. The > > mass of the magnet would have too much inertia. > > A steel needle hanging from a very thin silk wire or even a human hair > > (superglued on) is most useful for that purpose. > > I detected magnetism (under the microscope) in a crystal that was too >small > > to see with the naked eye with this method. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 12:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (earl verbeek) Date: Wed Dec 17 12:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? Message-ID: Hmmmm, green amber, interesting . . . Amber comes in all colors from the palest yellow to red, and everything in between. There is also "blue amber", but the blue comes from an intense fluorescence in sunlight. I've heard of green amber before, but never seen any, so this is a bit of a mystery to me too. I checked out the website you listed and viewed the photographs, and the stuff certainly is green, not just "greenish". It's possible it's reconstituted amber, and if so some colorant could have been added. One of the photographs, the one of the necklace, I think, seemed to show the familiar "sun spangles" that are a sign of treated amber. The spangles are really discoidal internal fractures, and I've read that they're produced by heating the amber in oil. You could check the site further to see if there's a phone number to call, but I'll bet the sales staff won't know any more than what is posted on the site. Sorry to take three paragraphs to say "I don't know", but I'd be wary of the naturalness of the color without further information. Cheers- Earl Verbeek >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:37:22 -1000 > >Hi list, > >I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop >as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] >that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some >amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they say it >is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know >anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other >than...well, amber. > >Aloha, Kitty _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 12:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nature's Emporium) Date: Wed Dec 17 12:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? References: Message-ID: <3FE0C237.4020003@earthlink.net> The green amber that is mainly in jewelry today is "a great marketing mistake". A number of years ago, there was a mistake when a batch of amber was being reconstituted and green appeared. What do to??? Well, of course put in jewelry and people will want to purchase this lol. It was such a success that even now we have some earrings of it on our web site and it out sells "yellow" amber by a wide margin. May your Holidays be green lol Gloria -- http://natures-emporium.com http://frontporchcoffee.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 15:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Wed Dec 17 15:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? Message-ID: <410-2200312317223325620@earthlink.net> Hi All, Green amber does indeed exist. I just returned from a 16-day vacation to Mexico on Dec. 3 including the State of Chiapas where amber is being mined. The green amber from this region comes from the village of Simojovel de Allende in northern Chiapas. When sunlight hits this amber the green color is very evident, though artificial lighting may not show the green color as well. I am not sure what causes the green color, but I and a couple of friends stayed with a dealer for about 3 days who lives in Tuxtla Gutierrez (the capital city of Chiapas) and is from Simojovel de Allende. She made a special trip on a 3rd class bus to Simojovel to the mines to bring back a variety of amber from which we could choose including some green. Although not much green was available at this time. What I have is one or two pieces of a honey-colored amber grading into green. No doubt about the color, at all. I will check out the website. Baltic amber is honey-colored or cognac. Regards, Mark > [Original Message] > From: earl verbeek > To: > Date: 12/17/2003 3:45:47 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] green amber? > > > Hmmmm, green amber, interesting . . . > > Amber comes in all colors from the palest yellow to red, and everything in > between. There is also "blue amber", but the blue comes from an intense > fluorescence in sunlight. I've heard of green amber before, but never seen > any, so this is a bit of a mystery to me too. I checked out the website you > listed and viewed the photographs, and the stuff certainly is green, not > just "greenish". It's possible it's reconstituted amber, and if so some > colorant could have been added. One of the photographs, the one of the > necklace, I think, seemed to show the familiar "sun spangles" that are a > sign of treated amber. The spangles are really discoidal internal > fractures, and I've read that they're produced by heating the amber in oil. > > You could check the site further to see if there's a phone number to call, > but I'll bet the sales staff won't know any more than what is posted on the > site. > > Sorry to take three paragraphs to say "I don't know", but I'd be wary of the > naturalness of the color without further information. > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > > >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? > >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:37:22 -1000 > > > >Hi list, > > > >I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop > >as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] > >that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some > >amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they say it > >is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know > >anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other > >than...well, amber. > > > >Aloha, Kitty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 17:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gloria) Date: Wed Dec 17 17:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana sites. Message-ID: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> Greetings! I am a member of the Kitsap Gem and Mineral society. I have never done any rock hunting in Montana because I don't know where to go. I've lived in Washington state since 1995 and joined the local rock hound club in about 1997. I became a widow in 2002. I've only gone to local digs with the club but would like to be able to go on my own to digging sites in other nearby states. Can you offer any suggestions? Gloria Legere GML7ten36@comcast.net From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 17:33:24 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed Dec 17 17:33:24 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? Message-ID: <000301c3c4dd$df8d45e0$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Green amber is found primarily in the Dominican Republic, although there is also green Baltic. From what I have read, the green color is really a fluorescence of an included substance. The pieces I have look pretty orange under incandescent light, but light green/yellow under regular fluorescent light. One article indicated that the fluorescence may also possibly be induced by doping the amber somehow, but natural stuff does exist. Most amber runs from pale yellow (almost colorless) to deep red. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 19:06:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Dec 17 19:06:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031218030536.417B5EAA925@delivery.infowest.com> I seem to recall from a few years ago that the "green amber" was the result of a huge mistake in Russia where they were making some more-or-less fake amber (wrong temperature or something) and decided, instead of throwing it away, they would try and see if they could get these gullible Americans to buy it. And they were right, in some cases, at leeast! Margaret >Hmmmm, green amber, interesting . . . >Amber comes in all colors from the palest yellow to red, and everything in >between. There is also "blue amber", but the blue comes from an intense >fluorescence in sunlight. I've heard of green amber before, but never seen >any, so this is a bit of a mystery to me too. I checked out the website >you >listed and viewed the photographs, and the stuff certainly is green, not >just "greenish". It's possible it's reconstituted amber, and if so some >colorant could have been added. One of the photographs, the one of the >necklace, I think, seemed to show the familiar "sun spangles" that are a >sign of treated amber. The spangles are really discoidal internal >fractures, and I've read that they're produced by heating the amber in oil. >You could check the site further to see if there's a phone number to call, >but I'll bet the sales staff won't know any more than what is posted on the >site. Cheers- Earl Verbeek >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:37:22 -1000 > >Hi list, > >I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop >as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] >that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some >amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they say it >is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know >anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other >than...well, amber. > >Aloha, Kitty _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 21:08:17 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 17 21:08:17 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana sites. References: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> Message-ID: <3FE135A8.686C@Tomaszewski.net> Gloria wrote: > > Greetings! > I am a member of the Kitsap Gem and Mineral society. I have never done any > rock hunting in Montana because I don't know where to go. I've lived in > Washington state since 1995 and joined the local rock hound club in about > 1997. I became a widow in 2002. I've only gone to local digs with the club > but would like to be able to go on my own to digging sites in other nearby > states. Can you offer any suggestions? > > Gloria Legere > GML7ten36@comcast.net You can start at just about any roadcut you come across in your travels that exposes rock (and where you can safely park and access); National (and most other) Parks excepted. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 17 21:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 17 21:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] It rained red mud today References: Message-ID: <3FE13842.3E57@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks! The story also made my local paper (front page of "The Region" section, grpress.com), but it was interesting to see a different perspective. Meyer, Bill J KRT-KRT wrote: > > Check out the front page of the Houston Chronicle at > www.houstonchronicle.com for more on this story. > > Bill Meyer > KRATON LIQUID(R) Polymers > 3333 Hwy 6 So. Room CR-132 > Houston TX 77082 > 281-668-3204 > bill.meyer@kraton.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski [mailto:Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:34 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] It rained red mud today > > We had rain earlier today (that has since turned to snow) in West > Michigan. The light rain left red mud spots on everything (and some pink > snow spots for a while). Weather teams at the local tv stations, the > EPA, and the national weather service have independently confirmed it > was caused by dust picked up by strong storms in New Mexico and Texas, > transported by a low dip of the jet stream, and dropped onto Eastern > Wisconson and West Michigan. Its a great day when geology is one of the > lead stories on the 11 o'clock news. > > Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 03:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 18 03:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? Message-ID: <62.38540554.2d12f07c@aol.com> It is true that amber can come in blue and green colors but the color comes from the refraction of many tiny colloidal sized particles (sulfur I've been told). It is not a common color by any means, and certainly not found in sufficient qunatities to make jewelry. I have seen the green jewelry grade stuff and it is clearly "enhanced" Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 08:23:08 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:23:08 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana sites. In-Reply-To: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> References: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031218081209.01e70cd8@mail.spiritone.com> Washington: Any of Bob Jackson's books, stonetrails.com Montana: Rockhounding Montana (book) Idaho: Any of Lanny Ream's books on rockhounding Idaho (Lanny do I have to sell your books for you? :D) Oregon: My website :) At 08:14 PM 12/15/2003, you wrote: >Greetings! >I am a member of the Kitsap Gem and Mineral society. I have never done any >rock hunting in Montana because I don't know where to go. I've lived in >Washington state since 1995 and joined the local rock hound club in about >1997. I became a widow in 2002. I've only gone to local digs with the club >but would like to be able to go on my own to digging sites in other nearby >states. Can you offer any suggestions? > >Gloria Legere Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 08:36:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:36:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! Message-ID: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> =20 =20 THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS (A COMPUTER VISIT FROM ST. NICCOLITE) (With apologies to Clement C. Moore) By Larry Rush =20 'Twas the night before Christmas, when through the Rockhound's list, Not a subscriber was posting, neither mister nor miss; The e-mail was stored on the server with care, In hopes that the spammers would not visit there. =20 The rockhounds were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of emeralds danced in their heads. And I, clutching my Estwing and old collecting pack, Had just settled down for a long winters nap, =20 When down in the computer room there arose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. Away to the hallway, and crossing the floor, I tore down the stairs and threw open the door. =20 The light from the Gateway monitor below, Gave the luster of mid-day to objects aglow, When what to my wondering eyes should appear, But an internet graphic; a sleigh and eight rockhounds there. =20 With a little old webmaster, so lively and bright, I knew in a moment it must be St. Niccolite. More rapid than Microsoft his posters they came, And he whistled and shouted, and called them by name. =20 Now Kreigh, now Alex, now Van and Lanny, On Keith, on John, on Margaret and Kitty! To the top of the screen, to the top of the list, Now mail away, mail away, mail away quick! =20 And, as subscribers to AOL often cry, When they meet with a virus, the tempers they fly, So on to Bett's home page the collectors they flew, With the screen full of slabs, and St. Niccolite, too. =20 And then in a twinkling, I saw on John's site, Beautiful images of fossils and rhodochrosite. As I clicked more on my mouse to surf around, Back onto my screen came St. Nick with a bound. He was dressed all in demin, from his feet to his shirt, And his clothes were all stained with limonite dirt. A bundle of crystals he had flung on his back, And he looked like a miner with a full collecting pack. =20 His eyes twinkled like zircons, his dimples how merry! His cheeks like rose quartz, his nose like agate of cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up with an apatite, And the beard of his chin was as white as calcite. =20 The stump of a pipe he held firm with his bite, And the smoke encircled his head like hemimorphite. He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook when he laughed like a bowl of opal (jelly). =20 He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old rockhound, And I laughed when I saw him, right out of the Red Cloud. A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know he had galena and lead! =20 He spoke not a word but went straight to his right, And filled all the Perkies with beryl and wulfenite. And laying his hammer aside of the frame, And giving a nod, to the Escape key he came. =20 He sprang to his pickup, to his pals gave a whistle, And away they all browsed like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he faded from sight, Good collecting to all, (and for the fluorescents, a Good Light!). =20 =20 Merry Christmas to the Rockhound Group. May all your presents be = crystallized! =20 =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 08:38:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:38:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031217104132.01ddf8f8@po2.bbn.com> <016c01c3c4bb$3974cbf0$ee9c77d5@axel> <002501c3c4d2$b123de40$525204d0@jim> Message-ID: <005301c3c585$42495410$d19f77d5@axel> Hi Jim, well, most simple but effective ideas are discovered many times over... A friend of mine had a very tiny crystal which he suspected to be magnetite. The suspended needle came up as "logical"... Did you know that an Englishman Percy Pilcher had the same idea as the brother Wright... If he hadn't died in a crash with one of his gliders we might have celebrated 100 years of propelled flight some 15 years ago. Pilcher's plans and drawing were researched by team of "Horizon" investigators. They built the plane after those plans and after a few minor adjustments, it flew for more than 3 minutes... Just to show that the same idea can pop up on several occasions before it's actually written down and accredited to the "inventor" ;-))) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > This technique (the needle suspended by a fine thread) was used by Curt > Segeler many years ago. I don't know if he originated it, though. > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.sauktown.com > sauktown@adsnet.com > or orders@sauktown.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > > > > Great thinking! > > The only drawback is that you can't use it for microscopic crystals. The > > mass of the magnet would have too much inertia. > > A steel needle hanging from a very thin silk wire or even a human hair > > (superglued on) is most useful for that purpose. > > I detected magnetism (under the microscope) in a crystal that was too > small > > to see with the naked eye with this method. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nathan C. Martin II" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > Thanks for another useful article! I was looking for something like > this > > > earlier this year. This looks simple enough that even I should be able > to > > > build one. > > > > > > Nate Martin > > > > > > At 09:42 AM 12/17/2003, you wrote: > > > >I just posted an article on my web site: Simple Device for Detecting > > Magnetic > > > >Minerals > > > > > > > >It shows how to build it for less than a dollar and will detect > magnetic > > > >minerals even in small samples. > > > > > > > >Go to: > > > >http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles/magnet.htm > > > > > > > >John Betts > > > >www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 09:31:26 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Dec 18 09:31:26 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Photo Atlas Message-ID: <3FE1E52A.5010909@dal.ca> Hi All, Perhaps this is old to most of you but I just discovered a great archive of mineral photos at: http://www.sci.qut.edu.au/minerals/General%20introduction/frames%20general%20descriptions%20p.htm Coupled with mindat.org, these are fantastic pictorial resources. Happy Collecting, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 10:23:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:23:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana sites. In-Reply-To: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> References: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> Message-ID: <3FE1F07B.5060007@tenforward.com> Hi Gloria, We're local you and I, and we (my Gloria and I), are also members of the Kitsap club. I'll write privately, but also wanted to pass on a bit of info. for the list members. There is a book titled The Rockhound's Guide to Montana by Robert Feldman that has received mixed reviews. There is Lanny's (Ream) book, The Gem, Mineral and Fossil Collector's Guide to Montana Vol. 1 and there is the Rockin' Around Montana book by Phil Walsh and Bob Liffring. When used with some of the additional references found in hobbyist magazines, and college and professional papers, Montana truly opens up as a wonderful place to discover treasures! We wish you and everyone else collecting there the same wonderful successes that we've enjoyed! All the best everyone! Take care, John Gloria wrote: >Greetings! >I am a member of the Kitsap Gem and Mineral society. I have never done any >rock hunting in Montana because I don't know where to go. I've lived in >Washington state since 1995 and joined the local rock hound club in about >1997. I became a widow in 2002. I've only gone to local digs with the club >but would like to be able to go on my own to digging sites in other nearby >states. Can you offer any suggestions? > >Gloria Legere >GML7ten36@comcast.net > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 10:24:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:24:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories Message-ID: <3FE1F09F.4050805@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, With all the talk on Montana, I thought I'd share two stories written by my wife and I on collecting in Montana at Crystal Park. I hope you enjoy. Happy Holidays everyone! Sincerely, John and Gloria Cornish My Most Memorable Crystal Park Trip By Gloria Cornish 1/01 Our August 1993 vacation to Montana and Crystal Park to this day remains one of my most memorable collecting experiences. We had my niece Katy along for her first ever "crystal collecting" vacation and what better place to take her than Crystal Park? This would be our second trip to the Park in search of the mother lode--a pocket of amethyst scepters. We had already been inspired by the collecting tales of others who were fortunate enough to discover their own scepter pockets and when we finally arrived at the Park we met another collector who had just found his own mother lode, his name was Leland Stanford. Leland had just collected dozens and dozens of amethyst scepter heads that day, most of them without the shanks, but what a terrific find. We were primed and ready to discover our own treasure! John and I will often start out digging together in one hole, but then I'll usually get impatient as the crystals don't just immediately roll out of the dirt. When this happened I decided to go and collect by Leland who was on the side of the hill directly above the upper parking lot between the two asphalt paths, approximately twenty feet below the upper path. The ground was perfect for digging since it had rained the night before and the earth was soft and not baked and dusty as it so often is this late in the summer. As I'm digging, the occasional clear quartz crystal rolls out of the ground--doling out just enough crystals to keep me interested. Not far from where I'm digging is Leland in his hole and a young couple named Ocean and Terra who were "Deadheads", faithful devotees of the Grateful Dead rock group who were following the band's concerts throughout the United States. At this point, none of us were really getting much of anything and just as I was getting a little disappointed, I made another swipe with my pick and out from the wall of my hole rolls the most beautiful scepter I have ever seen. It actually rolls right into my outstretched hand! The smoky-amethyst head of my crystal is one and one quarter inches long and has four small doubly terminated amethyst crystals perched beautifully on two of its prism faces just above its nearly one inch long shank. I began squealing in my excitement and wished that John was there to see my find but I had no idea where he was. I ran over and showed the others my treasure and that's all it took to inspire them into moving more dirt. When John finally returned, I smiled at him slyly and told him not to get too excited as I held up my scepter for him to see. A big smile overtook his face and he immediately jumped into my hole--crystal fever overtaking him. He mucked out the hole and enlarged it considerably, boy did he ever move a lot of dirt. By the time he was done, we had a hole approximately six feet wide going eight feet back into the hillside. For all of his diligent effort he found only two more scepters and six other crystals with color. Together we might not have done so well when it came to quantity, but we sure scored when it came to quality! Gloria Golden Moments At Crystal Park By John Cornish 1/01 Back in July of '97, on Wednesday the 16th, my wife Gloria and I were at Crystal Park and were doing our best to enjoy ourselves. The bugs were terrible flying all about us in thick blood sucking swarms which made digging a misery. We'd pulled into the Park a few days earlier and thus far we'd had relatively little luck collecting, a little here and a little there, but nothing really worthy of the effort. On this day, our third, we decided to work the far side of the hill out in the open where few trees grew and this is where we finally made our big find. Choice golden glowing citrines, scores of them. The crystals were all spread downhill in an obvious float layer which extended from near the surface to about twenty- four inches deep. We discovered separate crystals and clotted groups of individuals which as a whole were quite consistent in their solid base to termination coloring. Most commonly discovered were crystals with broken bases displaying a typical conchoidal fracture. Of rarer occurrence were crystals which were terminated by multiple small colorless points reflecting continued crystal growth after their initial breakage. An attractive sharp citrine phantom is present in some crystals where the citrine is followed by a colorless zone at the termination. The only negative inconsistency in their wonderfully rich golden color had developed in an area plagued by abundant internal fracturing also found near the termination's of some crystals producing an unattractive zone of mottled colorless/citrine. This discoloration was thankfully observed in only a very small percentage of the hundreds and hundreds of crystals which we and other friends found. The crystals averaged a half inch up to slightly over an inch in thickness and ran in lengths up to three inches long. Sceptered citrine crystals were also found both as singles and in extremely rare doubly terminated crystal clusters. These crystals, the rarest of the rare, are among our most highly prized Crystal Park treasures. Our diggings covered quite an area and overall we were pleased with the returns of our efforts. With these extreme digging conditions (i.e. the bugs) we continued a pattern of doing our major digging at night with the aid of a lantern and flashlight. The bugs were at their least bothersome then and the tourists were also pleasantly absent. In the quiet of the Park, nestled down in the rich brown earth, we dug the hours contentedly away. We left soon thereafter for home having collected our fill, or maybe its more honest to say that the bugs finally drove us away with their constant assaults, either way we were on our way home, our blood and our newly won treasures safe and shared in another memory gleaned from our experiences digging at Crystal Park. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 10:39:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:39:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: <3FE1F09F.4050805@tenforward.com> Message-ID: I too have enjoyed the wonders of Crystal Park. Done some early season (while there's still a lot of snow on the road) collection, as well as midsummer collecting there. During my undergraduate summer field camp (Dillon, MT), we spent a couple free days digging. Usually found nothing but faintly colored 'almost-amethyst' in moderate to poor condition. Found an outstanding, beautifully colored, perfectly terminated amethyst scepter once. However, it was only a millimeter or two long. Tiniest damn thing I've ever seen. Unfortunately, it got lost in the trip back. I have mixed feelings about Crystal Park. On the one hand, I'm glad there is a place set aside for our hobby, and that our desires as citizens and taxpayers have been recognized, at least once. It's a great site, easy to access, and a nice view! On the other hand, the place looks like an absolute warzone. I'm surprised that there are any trees alive, with all the extensive undermining of root systems. The last time I was there (about 3 years ago), the place looked completely abused. Seemed almost like too many 'crystal hounds' and not enough responsible collectors. a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 10:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana sites. In-Reply-To: <000501c3c38b$1d0e9030$2a43e50c@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi Gloria, Montana has a lot of rockhounding locations. As Tim mentioned, the guidebooks are useful; The Rockhound's Guide to Montana by Falcon Press (ISBN 0934318-46-8, good to read, has info on history and other info, varies on actual use as a guide, for instance some mining districts mentioned don't actually have much to collect); Rockin' Around Montana by Phil Walsh (new edition, don't know publisher or if it has an ISBN) has a lot of locations, some are actually ones where you can collect minerals, some are open to club members only and some probably never produced much of anything. I published a guidebook, long out of print, but you may find a used copy at Amazon or elsewhere saw one on eBay once (The Gem & Mineral Collector's Guide to Montana all locations with map and directions). One of the well known locations, easy access to anyone (even has a wheel chair ramp) is the Crystal Park location (SW of Butte, NW of Dillon, road access from the north is head south from Wise River. This is a location managed by the Forest Service, with parking, picnic area, etc. Dig in the decomposed granitic rock with a shovel and pick for quartz, including amethyst scepters. Very popular area, big family attraction (info on the Beaverhead National Forest web site. Off to Idaho, yes Tim, you have to sell my books, Thank you; my guidebook, reprinted by Gem Guides, is: The Gem & Mineral Collector's Guide to Idaho (ISBN1889786-13-6), 36 locations with a map and directions to each one. There are some popular digging areas such as the Emerald Creek star garnet location (mixed opinions on whether this is worth going to or not), operated by the Forest Service, fee dig (info on the Idaho Panhandle National Forest web site). Another is the Dismal Swamp topaz and smoky quartz location east of Boise up in the forest. Don't think the current crop of anti use employees in the forest recognize the location as a rockhounding site; it was on the old Boise National Forest map, don't know if the new ones show it or not. The forest web site doesn't show any rockhounding locations in their recreation listings. Both of these Idaho sites are in my book. The location requires digging in a drainage, screening gravels. If you have any specific questions, email me. Regards, Lanny On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 08:14 PM, Gloria wrote: > Greetings! > I am a member of the Kitsap Gem and Mineral society. I have never > done any > rock hunting in Montana because I don't know where to go. I've lived > in > Washington state since 1995 and joined the local rock hound club in > about > 1997. I became a widow in 2002. I've only gone to local digs with > the club > but would like to be able to go on my own to digging sites in other > nearby > states. Can you offer any suggestions? > > Gloria Legere > GML7ten36@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 10:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031217144325.00aecc58@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: Hi John and all, A search of MinDex came up with Henderson's device illustrated in the MR in March-April 1986 (V.17 No. 2, p 135). It's the same basic item as the one John Bett's illustrated, only Henderson has it hanging vertical. For field use, I magnetized the knife blade I use for scratch/hardness tests, then balance the knife on a finger. Works well for fairly small crystals, but certainly not as sensitive as a suspended needle or magnet. Regards, Lanny On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 11:46 AM, John Jaszczak wrote: > Bill Henderson published a sensitive magnetic device for use with > microminerals in the Mineralogical Record > many years ago. Sorry I don't have the reference handy. > > It would be interesting to see if some of the new rare earth magnets > properly suspended could detect > diamagnetism (diamagnetic materials will be repelled by permanent > magnets!). The effect is usually extremely > weak; however, bismuth and graphite have relatively high diamagnetic > susceptibilities. You can see a graphite > crystal floating on some magnets at > http://www.phy.mtu.edu/nue/CubeHover_small.html > You can't do that with ordinary magnets! > > Cheers, > John Jaszczak > > > At 01:19 PM 12/17/2003 -0600, you wrote: >> This technique (the needle suspended by a fine thread) was used by >> Curt >> Segeler many years ago. I don't know if he originated it, though. >> Jim Daly >> Sauktown Sales >> Microminerals and mounting supplies >> http://www.sauktown.com >> sauktown@adsnet.com >> or orders@sauktown.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Axel Emmermann" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic >> Minerals >> >> >> > Great thinking! >> > The only drawback is that you can't use it for microscopic >> crystals. The >> > mass of the magnet would have too much inertia. >> > A steel needle hanging from a very thin silk wire or even a human >> hair >> > (superglued on) is most useful for that purpose. >> > I detected magnetism (under the microscope) in a crystal that was >> too >> small >> > to see with the naked eye with this method. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Axel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 11:37:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Thu Dec 18 11:37:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] It rained red mud today References: Message-ID: <000701c3c59e$0af467c0$6401a8c0@mel> Back in the dust bowl days, itrained mud in Lubbock, Texas. The = University hired students to take buckets and brushes and clean the mud = from their buildings (one was my brother). The mud was about 1/2* thick. Mel Albright --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 12:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] SPAM ALERT: Crystals question Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sorry for the intrusion, but I was wondering if anyone else has gotten the following spam e-mail from this bozo. I got another e-mail from him a month ago that said something like "go to the awesome Australian rock shop website that I created...", so at that time, I did go to it and it was not very good. Then yesterday I got the following e-mail. He is obviously using spamming (and marketing) techniques to get people to go to his website. I'm a curious guy, so once again I went to it and, again, it's one of the worst websites I've seen. Too many "gadgets" and colors and no substance. But that's fine, most of us aren't web gurus. (I'm not.) What gets me is his tactics. Notice what he says in his e-mail below... he is the "creator of the most successful rock sites on the internet", yet he is asking ME for stuff I want to see in his book. If he has created all of these successful sites as he states, he should have most of the answers already. And, he uses all kinds of adjectives but never gives any actual facts or figures. It all reminds me of the "you can get rich like I did" TV commercials that we see all the time here in the U.S. I just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention in case others on the list receive his e-mail. I'll be staying away from him, his websites and his book (if he ever publishes one). If he does end up publishing his book, I think it will do a major disservice to our hobby. We will have many more people becoming dealers who have no idea what they are doing. How do the dealers on this list feel about this? Regards, Bob Loeffler :-) -----Original Message----- From: jimmy@jimmycrabb.com [mailto:jimmy@jimmycrabb.com] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:09 AM To: bobl@peaktopeak.com Subject: Crystals question Hi I would like to ask you a quick question as I value your opinion. Please send me an email at jimmy@jimmycrabb.com and I will answer you within the next 12 hours. You see, I am in the process of writing a book on how to become a phenomenally successful mineral and crystal dealer on the internet with no experience and very little money - In order to make sure I cover everything that you may want to know, please tell me exactly what you would like to learn about becoming a top internet mineral dealer. Rather than assume or guess what you need, I'd rather find out exactly what you would like to know! Apart from answering your questions directly within the next 12 hours, I will also send you a massive discount when the book is finished. You can mail me personally at jimmy@jimmycrabb.com or fill out the 10 second form at http://www.jimmycrabb.com Once completed, this book is going to be huge! I mean it looks like it is going to turn out to be over 1000 pages long as I am spilling everyting I have learned about being an internet mineral dealer (I am the creator of the most successful rock sites on the internet) The book will include (but not be limited to): a.. How to purchase minerals and crystals at the best possible prices b.. How to create a successful mineral/crystal/gemstone related website for little or no cost c.. How to transform an average website into a powerful gem/mineral/crystal selling machine d.. How to make a huge profit from online auctions e.. Advanced promotions that increase sales 400% (or more) in 24 hours! f.. How to generate massive traffic to your website or online offer g.. How to get massive sales from a website h.. How to get other people (even your competitors) to advertise and sell your minerals for you i.. How to advertise for nothing or for very low cost j.. How to get top positions on all the top international search engines (including Google and Yahoo) k.. How to automate your gem related business so that you only need to work a few hours per week l.. and much much more............ In order to have your unique and specific questions answered, mail me at jimmy@jimmycrabb.com or fill out the 10 second form at http://www.jimmycrabb.com Thanks Jimmy Crabb --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 12:45:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nature's Emporium) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:45:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] SPAM ALERT: Crystals question References: Message-ID: <3FE211A5.4070006@earthlink.net> We received the same spam email Gloria -- http://natures-emporium.com http://frontporchcoffee.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 12:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] SPAM ALERT: Crystals question Message-ID: <121820032057.15710.75b7@att.net> As a long term spam-and-scam fighter on the Internet, I would opine that this is classic spammy lnaguage. First of all, I know who the most successful Internet rock dealers are--several of whom are on this list--and I don't think he is affiliated with any of them. Also, his e-mail, and the website to which it leads you, have little to do with rocks or with anything to indicate he knows anything about rocks & minerals. It is 100% pure hackneyed marketing. All you need to do is substitute the word "hair cream" or "widgets" or "cars"--then you have a completely different product line but the same scheme using the same language. Don't worry Bob, you won't see any mineral-hobby-related products from this guy; but if you give him your e-mail address, you'll be sure to see a lot more sp*am! Dubious Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 13:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Diederik Visser) Date: Thu Dec 18 13:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] SPAM ALERT: Crystals question References: Message-ID: <006f01c3c5aa$1d7c3f60$9c193591@oemcomputer> Dear Bob, Did receive the same emails from him. But like most spam I have developed a habit of just ignoring such very colorfull emails ;-) Cheers, Diederik Visser http://www.dvminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] SPAM ALERT: Crystals question > Hi all, > > I'm sorry for the intrusion, but I was wondering if anyone else has gotten > the following spam e-mail from this bozo. I got another e-mail from him a > month ago that said something like "go to the awesome Australian rock shop > website that I created...", so at that time, I did go to it and it was not > very good. Then yesterday I got the following e-mail. He is obviously > using spamming (and marketing) techniques to get people to go to his > website. I'm a curious guy, so once again I went to it and, again, it's one > of the worst websites I've seen. Too many "gadgets" and colors and no > substance. But that's fine, most of us aren't web gurus. (I'm not.) What > gets me is his tactics. Notice what he says in his e-mail below... he is > the "creator of the most successful rock sites on the internet", yet he is > asking ME for stuff I want to see in his book. If he has created all of > these successful sites as he states, he should have most of the answers > already. And, he uses all kinds of adjectives but never gives any actual > facts or figures. It all reminds me of the "you can get rich like I did" TV > commercials that we see all the time here in the U.S. > > I just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention in case others on the > list receive his e-mail. I'll be staying away from him, his websites and > his book (if he ever publishes one). If he does end up publishing his book, > I think it will do a major disservice to our hobby. We will have many more > people becoming dealers who have no idea what they are doing. > > How do the dealers on this list feel about this? > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jimmy@jimmycrabb.com [mailto:jimmy@jimmycrabb.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:09 AM > To: bobl@peaktopeak.com > Subject: Crystals question > > > > Hi > > I would like to ask you a quick question as I value your opinion. Please > send me an email at > jimmy@jimmycrabb.com and I will answer you within the next 12 hours. > > You see, I am in the process of writing a book on how to become a > phenomenally successful mineral > and crystal dealer on the internet with no experience and very little > money - In order to make sure I cover everything that you may want to > know, please tell me exactly what you would like to learn about becoming a > top internet mineral dealer. > Rather than assume or guess what you need, I'd rather find out exactly what > you would like to know! Apart from answering your questions directly within > the next 12 hours, I will also send you a massive discount when the book is > finished. > > > You can mail me personally at jimmy@jimmycrabb.com or fill out the 10 second > form at > http://www.jimmycrabb.com > > Once completed, this book is going to be huge! I mean it looks like it is > going to turn out to be over > 1000 pages long as I am spilling everyting I have learned about being an > internet mineral dealer > (I am the creator of the most successful rock sites on the internet) > The book will include (but not be limited to): > > > a.. How to purchase minerals and crystals at the best possible prices > b.. How to create a successful mineral/crystal/gemstone related website for > little or no cost > c.. How to transform an average website into a powerful gem/mineral/crystal > selling machine > d.. How to make a huge profit from online auctions > e.. Advanced promotions that increase sales 400% (or more) in 24 hours! > f.. How to generate massive traffic to your website or online offer > g.. How to get massive sales from a website > h.. How to get other people (even your competitors) to advertise and sell > your minerals for you > i.. How to advertise for nothing or for very low cost > j.. How to get top positions on all the top international search engines > (including Google and Yahoo) > k.. How to automate your gem related business so that you only need to work > a few hours per week > l.. and much much more............ > > In order to have your unique and specific questions answered, mail me at > jimmy@jimmycrabb.com or fill out the > 10 second form at http://www.jimmycrabb.com > > Thanks > Jimmy Crabb > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 13:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Dec 18 13:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Simple Device for Detecting Magnetic Minerals In-Reply-To: <005301c3c585$42495410$d19f77d5@axel> Message-ID: I just read an article on the Wright brothers in Scientific American and it surprised me to find out that they actually built a wind tunnel for prototype testing before doing any flights. I had assumed that it was a seat-of-the-pants design but it wasn't. They even tested the propellers in the wind tunnel, designing them as wings, and achieved efficiency within 3% of modern designs. So having an 'idea' probably wasn't enough. Their secretive nature was almost their undoing tho. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > Did you know that an Englishman Percy Pilcher had the same idea as the > brother Wright... > If he hadn't died in a crash with one of his gliders we might have > celebrated 100 years of propelled flight some 15 years ago. > Pilcher's plans > and drawing were researched by team of "Horizon" investigators. > They built the plane after those plans and after a few minor > adjustments, it > flew for more than 3 minutes... > > Just to show that the same idea can pop up on several occasions > before it's > actually written down and accredited to the "inventor" ;-))) > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 16:40:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 18 16:40:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! References: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <3FE248D7.2F9E@Tomaszewski.net> Lawrence Rush wrote: > > > > > THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS > > (A COMPUTER VISIT FROM ST. NICCOLITE) > > (With apologies to Clement C. Moore) > > By Larry Rush > > > Merry Christmas to the Rockhound Group. May all your presents be crystallized! > ROTFL! Thanks Larry. Made my day! Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 19:28:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 18 19:28:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <106.2a486116.2d113fef@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FE27032.1960@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Has anyone heard of a mineral called "Pristine"? Does anyone know exactly > where it is found? It is a pure white material similar to howlite but much harder > and purer in color. It is found somewhere in Northern Arizona. Thank you You may have a specimen in pristine condition, but you don't have a specimen of pristine because there is no such mineral. That said, the question is "what do you have?". Can you post (or send a photo on request) so some of us can take a guess? How hard is it? What is the streak color? If no photo available, can you describe the crystal shapes, if any? Tell us more about your specimen and we may be able to help identify it. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 18 21:57:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 18 21:57:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question Message-ID: <1d2.1669a425.2d13ed11@aol.com> I've seen Pristine rough and used in inlay. I know I was told what it actually is, but have forgotten. I know it's not a quartz or jade. It's a solid pure white (which is why it's called pristine), 7-8 in hardness, and takes an excellent polish. Obviously, that makes it great for inlay with the quartz family and jades, as it doesn't undercut the way howlite would. For some reason, I thought it was from Wyoming though. Karen Hemmerle Boulder, CO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 06:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 19 06:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! References: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <006101c3c63e$0ca4e130$68ae77d5@axel> Hi Larry >His eyes twinkled like zircons, his dimples how merry! >His cheeks like rose quartz, his nose like agate of cherry! >His droll little mouth was drawn up with an apatite, >And the beard of his chin was as white as calcite. Ok, Ok,... but did he FLUORESCE? You're leaving out the best part! >Good collecting to all, (and for the fluorescents, a Good Light!). Thank you for remembering us glowworms ;-)))) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS (A COMPUTER VISIT FROM ST. NICCOLITE) (With apologies to Clement C. Moore) By Larry Rush 'Twas the night before Christmas, when through the Rockhound's list, Not a subscriber was posting, neither mister nor miss; The e-mail was stored on the server with care, In hopes that the spammers would not visit there. The rockhounds were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of emeralds danced in their heads. And I, clutching my Estwing and old collecting pack, Had just settled down for a long winters nap, When down in the computer room there arose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. Away to the hallway, and crossing the floor, I tore down the stairs and threw open the door. The light from the Gateway monitor below, Gave the luster of mid-day to objects aglow, When what to my wondering eyes should appear, But an internet graphic; a sleigh and eight rockhounds there. With a little old webmaster, so lively and bright, I knew in a moment it must be St. Niccolite. More rapid than Microsoft his posters they came, And he whistled and shouted, and called them by name. Now Kreigh, now Alex, now Van and Lanny, On Keith, on John, on Margaret and Kitty! To the top of the screen, to the top of the list, Now mail away, mail away, mail away quick! And, as subscribers to AOL often cry, When they meet with a virus, the tempers they fly, So on to Bett's home page the collectors they flew, With the screen full of slabs, and St. Niccolite, too. And then in a twinkling, I saw on John's site, Beautiful images of fossils and rhodochrosite. As I clicked more on my mouse to surf around, Back onto my screen came St. Nick with a bound. He was dressed all in demin, from his feet to his shirt, And his clothes were all stained with limonite dirt. A bundle of crystals he had flung on his back, And he looked like a miner with a full collecting pack. His eyes twinkled like zircons, his dimples how merry! His cheeks like rose quartz, his nose like agate of cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up with an apatite, And the beard of his chin was as white as calcite. The stump of a pipe he held firm with his bite, And the smoke encircled his head like hemimorphite. He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook when he laughed like a bowl of opal (jelly). He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old rockhound, And I laughed when I saw him, right out of the Red Cloud. A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know he had galena and lead! He spoke not a word but went straight to his right, And filled all the Perkies with beryl and wulfenite. And laying his hammer aside of the frame, And giving a nod, to the Escape key he came. He sprang to his pickup, to his pals gave a whistle, And away they all browsed like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he faded from sight, Good collecting to all, (and for the fluorescents, a Good Light!). Merry Christmas to the Rockhound Group. May all your presents be crystallized! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 07:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stuart Schmitt) Date: Fri Dec 19 07:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HS code (harmonizing system) for customs duty References: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> <3FE248D7.2F9E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002501c3c641$d510fca0$6400a8c0@STUART> A while back someone posted a customs code to be used fore shipping minerals (geological samples) over seas... to European countries in particular. Does anyone have that 10 digit code handy? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 07:30:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Dec 19 07:30:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HS code (harmonizing system) for customs duty References: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> <3FE248D7.2F9E@Tomaszewski.net> <002501c3c641$d510fca0$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: <03e401c3c644$fb22e630$a4cb94d1@remains> 97050000 geological samples for scientific study purposes. this is the generic one. also works for fossils. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Schmitt" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] HS code (harmonizing system) for customs duty > A while back someone posted a customs code to be used fore shipping minerals > (geological samples) over seas... to European countries in particular. Does > anyone have that 10 digit code handy? > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 07:44:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri Dec 19 07:44:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? References: Message-ID: <3FE346D1.596DFACB@emory.edu> I posted a similiar question months ago asking about the "naturalness" of green amber. From the books I've read, green amber does occur "in the wild" but it is very rare. The preponderance of greenish amber in jewelry today is treated. Some say rubbing black shoe polish on yellow amber will turn it green. Others say it is heat treated in some way. The upshot is, it may very well be real amber (or copal) but it's not a "real" color. Anita earl verbeek wrote: > > Hmmmm, green amber, interesting . . . > > Amber comes in all colors from the palest yellow to red, and everything in > between. There is also "blue amber", but the blue comes from an intense > fluorescence in sunlight. I've heard of green amber before, but never seen > any, so this is a bit of a mystery to me too. I checked out the website you > listed and viewed the photographs, and the stuff certainly is green, not > just "greenish". It's possible it's reconstituted amber, and if so some > colorant could have been added. One of the photographs, the one of the > necklace, I think, seemed to show the familiar "sun spangles" that are a > sign of treated amber. The spangles are really discoidal internal > fractures, and I've read that they're produced by heating the amber in oil. > > You could check the site further to see if there's a phone number to call, > but I'll bet the sales staff won't know any more than what is posted on the > site. > > Sorry to take three paragraphs to say "I don't know", but I'd be wary of the > naturalness of the color without further information. > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? > >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:37:22 -1000 > > > >Hi list, > > > >I'm going to display my ignorance with this question: I saw a shop > >as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] > >that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some amber is golden. Some > >amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In another place they say it > >is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: "cognac." Anybody know > >anything about this? I did not know that amber came in any color other > >than...well, amber. > > > >Aloha, Kitty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 10:13:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Dec 19 10:13:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE33F83.3000404@tenforward.com> Hi Aaron, I'm going to open a can of worms here. You wrote... On the other hand, the place looks like an absolute warzone. I'm=20 surprised that there are any trees alive, with all the extensive=20 undermining of root systems. The last time I was there (about 3 years=20 ago), the place looked completely abused. Seemed almost like too many=20 'crystal hounds' and not enough responsible collectors. I agree completely, the place does look totally abused, not from collecto= rs though, but from the FS. Collectors are supposed to dig. I expect hole= s. I understand the reasons for infilling ones digs, but in an area speci= fically set aside for collecting? This doesn't make any sense. Dig and di= g deep I say. This is a Mineral Park, that's what were supposed to do. Ke= ep your excavations safe, no overhangs, overhangs kill (A collector was k= illed this year in Montana, in the Lolo Pass area. They, the land manager= s, have been hinting of closing much of this area for years, I hope this = is not the excuse they needed. And for conversations sake, when was the l= ast time a forest was closed to hunting following a hunting accident, or = a lake, stream or river was closed to fishing because of a water-related = accident? This sure seems like an out of balance scenario to me, but this= is nothing new to many of us). And you mention trees, cut 'em all I say!= This is a Mineral Park not a fo rest preserve. If the trees are in the way, if their unsafe, then remove = them. The FS has done all sorts of improvements to the Park since receivi= ng it from the Butte Club. The improvements have come with quite a cost t= hough. We used to camp for free at the Park right in the parking lots and= folks had done this for years. Not anymore, the new campground has a $12= =2E00 camping fee. We used to dig at night, blissful digging times I fond= ly remember, not any more. The Park is closed at a certain time and digge= rs must vacate the hill. Oh, we used to dig for free. Now we pay for the = privilege of that too. And then there are the forbidden zones in the Park= =2E Areas one cannot dig because of the trees. These areas produce crysta= ls, in fact the finest crystals I've ever seen from the Park came from th= is area. Why are these trees protected? This is a Mineral Park. If the tr= ees were cut the moneys from the timber sale could have made all the impr= ovements we're now paying for. And the areas=20 it would open would be extensive, no more reworking reworked ground. The = traditional digging areas of much of the Park have been turned and turned= again. Too bad the left over moneys from the timber sales, after all the= above mentioned improvements, couldn't be used to remove the first coupl= e feet of overly abused ground from above the more productive grounds bur= ied below so that folks in their wheelchairs, and everyone else, could th= en actually have a decent chance of finding something, rather then just g= etting dirty and paying their fees. Yup, cut them trees, get 'em out of t= here and lets have Crystal Park be the Mineral Park it was intended to be= ! Whoa, what wound me up today! All the best everyone, and to you too Aaron, you ol' tree hugger you! : )= See ya, John=20 Aaron Fox wrote: >I too have enjoyed the wonders of Crystal Park. Done some early season=20 >(while there's still a lot of snow on the road) collection, as well as=20 >midsummer collecting there. > >During my undergraduate summer field camp (Dillon, MT), we spent a coupl= e=20 >free days digging. Usually found nothing but faintly colored=20 >'almost-amethyst' in moderate to poor condition. Found an outstanding,=20 >beautifully colored, perfectly terminated amethyst scepter once. Howeve= r,=20 >it was only a millimeter or two long. Tiniest damn thing I've ever seen.= =20 >Unfortunately, it got lost in the trip back. > >I have mixed feelings about Crystal Park. On the one hand, I'm glad the= re=20 >is a place set aside for our hobby, and that our desires as citizens and= =20 >taxpayers have been recognized, at least once. It's a great site, easy = to=20 >access, and a nice view! > >On the other hand, the place looks like an absolute warzone. I'm=20 >surprised that there are any trees alive, with all the extensive=20 >undermining of root systems. The last time I was there (about 3 years=20 >ago), the place looked completely abused. Seemed almost like too many=20 >'crystal hounds' and not enough responsible collectors. > >a. > > =20 > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 11:37:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Dec 19 11:37:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: <3FE33F83.3000404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: I hadn't realized that the Forest Service had made such drastic 'improvements' to the site. I just hope, as with everyone else here, that they don't decide to close it. That seems to be a classic FS trait; take something that everyone has used well for years, turn it into a 'facility', and close it to everyone five years later due to 'budget cuts' As to the trees. It's a mineral park, yes. Get rid of the trees, fine with me. A few acres of trees is, in my book, no biggie. I worry more about the long-term effects on slope stability and erosion, not to metion sediment transport on and off-site. > supposed to do. Keep your excavations safe, no overhangs, overhangs kill > (A collector was killed this year in Montana, in the Lolo Pass area. > They, the land managers, have been hinting of closing much of this area > for years, I hope this is not the excuse they needed. And for This kind of thing pisses me off. Why should I have to pay for somebody else's stupidity! If you're not smart enough to maintain a safe excavation, fine. It's your life. But when people use it as an excuse to prohibit something, grrrrr..... > remove them. The FS has done all sorts of improvements to the Park since > receiving it from the Butte Club. The improvements have come with quite > a cost though. Here's a question: Do y'all think the area is better off overall, now that it's a 'managed' property? Not intending any flames; I'm just curious. > Why are these trees protected? This is a Mineral Park. If the trees were > cut the moneys from the timber sale could have made all the > improvements we're now paying for. And the Got no problem with it, so long as part of the money is set aside for dealing with long-term environmental problems, such as sediment runoff and long-term sustainability. Surrounding the site with silt fences that get cleared every year might be a good start (albeit a bit of an eyesore)... > All the best everyone, and to you too Aaron, you ol' tree hugger you! : ) Heh. I guess I am a bit of a tree hugger. When you work as a geologist, you're often in an interesting position. On the one hand, you often work towards conservation. However, you also work for extractive industries whose goal is to treat wildlands as assets. It's a strange line you need to walk, balancing environmentalism with practical economic realities.... Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one... a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 12:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: References: <3FE33F83.3000404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031219121443.01e6a968@mail.spiritone.com> Couldn't have said it better myself Aaron. Biologists are almost always between "spawning gravel and a hard place" too :) Of course we both know the long term solution is for the FS to put enough money into the site to maintain a quality digging area and prevent major environmental damage, and we also both know that they wont do this since it costs money :( FWIW silt fences are a crappy short term solution for controlling surface fines; the only thing that will work in the long term is to build a surface drainage system that drains into a sediment trap that is cleaned every fall. So of course that won't happen. Oh yeah and why develop a rockhounding site to protect trees? Make it a park if you want the trees and ban digging (sarcasm intended). The state of Oregon and BLM have set aside areas for rockhounds and they specifically allow just about any type of excavation; even the fill-in-your-holes rule doesn't apply in these areas. At 11:36 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote: >I hadn't realized that the Forest Service had made such drastic >'improvements' to the site. I just hope, as with everyone else here, that >they don't decide to close it. That seems to be a classic FS trait; take >something that everyone has used well for years, turn it into a >'facility', and close it to everyone five years later due to 'budget cuts' > >As to the trees. It's a mineral park, yes. Get rid of the trees, fine >with me. A few acres of trees is, in my book, no biggie. I worry more >about the long-term effects on slope stability and erosion, not to metion >sediment transport on and off-site. > > > supposed to do. Keep your excavations safe, no overhangs, overhangs kill > > (A collector was killed this year in Montana, in the Lolo Pass area. > > They, the land managers, have been hinting of closing much of this area > > for years, I hope this is not the excuse they needed. And for > >This kind of thing pisses me off. Why should I have to pay for somebody >else's stupidity! If you're not smart enough to maintain a safe >excavation, fine. It's your life. But when people use it as an excuse to >prohibit something, grrrrr..... > > > remove them. The FS has done all sorts of improvements to the Park since > > receiving it from the Butte Club. The improvements have come with quite > > a cost though. > >Here's a question: Do y'all think the area is better off overall, now >that it's a 'managed' property? Not intending any flames; I'm just >curious. > > > Why are these trees protected? This is a Mineral Park. If the trees were > > cut the moneys from the timber sale could have made all the > > improvements we're now paying for. And the > >Got no problem with it, so long as part of the money is set aside for >dealing with long-term environmental problems, such as sediment runoff and >long-term sustainability. Surrounding the site with silt fences that get >cleared every year might be a good start (albeit a bit of an eyesore)... > > > All the best everyone, and to you too Aaron, you ol' tree hugger you! : ) > >Heh. I guess I am a bit of a tree hugger. When you work as a geologist, >you're often in an interesting position. On the one hand, you often work >towards conservation. However, you also work for extractive industries >whose goal is to treat wildlands as assets. It's a strange line you need >to walk, balancing environmentalism with practical economic realities.... > >Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one... > >a. > >-- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 14:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Dec 19 14:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! In-Reply-To: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <20031219225700.81544EAA2F7@delivery.infowest.com> Hey, good one, Larry! Thanks! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:26 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS (A COMPUTER VISIT FROM ST. NICCOLITE) (With apologies to Clement C. Moore) By Larry Rush 'Twas the night before Christmas, when through the Rockhound's list, Not a subscriber was posting, neither mister nor miss; The e-mail was stored on the server with care, In hopes that the spammers would not visit there. The rockhounds were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of emeralds danced in their heads. And I, clutching my Estwing and old collecting pack, Had just settled down for a long winters nap, When down in the computer room there arose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. Away to the hallway, and crossing the floor, I tore down the stairs and threw open the door. The light from the Gateway monitor below, Gave the luster of mid-day to objects aglow, When what to my wondering eyes should appear, But an internet graphic; a sleigh and eight rockhounds there. With a little old webmaster, so lively and bright, I knew in a moment it must be St. Niccolite. More rapid than Microsoft his posters they came, And he whistled and shouted, and called them by name. Now Kreigh, now Alex, now Van and Lanny, On Keith, on John, on Margaret and Kitty! To the top of the screen, to the top of the list, Now mail away, mail away, mail away quick! And, as subscribers to AOL often cry, When they meet with a virus, the tempers they fly, So on to Bett's home page the collectors they flew, With the screen full of slabs, and St. Niccolite, too. And then in a twinkling, I saw on John's site, Beautiful images of fossils and rhodochrosite. As I clicked more on my mouse to surf around, Back onto my screen came St. Nick with a bound. He was dressed all in demin, from his feet to his shirt, And his clothes were all stained with limonite dirt. A bundle of crystals he had flung on his back, And he looked like a miner with a full collecting pack. His eyes twinkled like zircons, his dimples how merry! His cheeks like rose quartz, his nose like agate of cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up with an apatite, And the beard of his chin was as white as calcite. The stump of a pipe he held firm with his bite, And the smoke encircled his head like hemimorphite. He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook when he laughed like a bowl of opal (jelly). He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old rockhound, And I laughed when I saw him, right out of the Red Cloud. A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know he had galena and lead! He spoke not a word but went straight to his right, And filled all the Perkies with beryl and wulfenite. And laying his hammer aside of the frame, And giving a nod, to the Escape key he came. He sprang to his pickup, to his pals gave a whistle, And away they all browsed like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he faded from sight, Good collecting to all, (and for the fluorescents, a Good Light!). Merry Christmas to the Rockhound Group. May all your presents be crystallized! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 15:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nature's Emporium) Date: Fri Dec 19 15:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A computer visit from St. Niccolite! References: <20031219225700.81544EAA2F7@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <3FE383C6.6080406@earthlink.net> Thank you for some Holdiay Cheer Gloria -- http://natures-emporium.com http://frontporchcoffee.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 15:11:10 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Dec 19 15:11:10 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: <3FE1F09F.4050805@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <20031219231049.DB2F1EA9A55@delivery.infowest.com> Oh, gee now you guys have me crying. I was in Montana on an Elderhostel and had a few spare days afterwards. I headed happily down to Crystal Park. I had never been even near there before, but I knew when I got there! All I found was a totally jammed parking lot; absolutely noplace for me to even stop!!! Sob! Of course, it WAS Labor Day weekend -- Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria Cornish Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:23 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories Hi Everyone, With all the talk on Montana, I thought I'd share two stories written by my wife and I on collecting in Montana at Crystal Park. I hope you enjoy. Happy Holidays everyone! Sincerely, John and Gloria Cornish My Most Memorable Crystal Park Trip By Gloria Cornish 1/01 Our August 1993 vacation to Montana and Crystal Park to this day remains one of my most memorable collecting experiences. We had my niece Katy along for her first ever "crystal collecting" vacation and what better place to take her than Crystal Park? This would be our second trip to the Park in search of the mother lode--a pocket of amethyst scepters. We had already been inspired by the collecting tales of others who were fortunate enough to discover their own scepter pockets and when we finally arrived at the Park we met another collector who had just found his own mother lode, his name was Leland Stanford. Leland had just collected dozens and dozens of amethyst scepter heads that day, most of them without the shanks, but what a terrific find. We were primed and ready to discover our own treasure! John and I will often start out digging together in one hole, but then I'll usually get impatient as the crystals don't just immediately roll out of the dirt. When this happened I decided to go and collect by Leland who was on the side of the hill directly above the upper parking lot between the two asphalt paths, approximately twenty feet below the upper path. The ground was perfect for digging since it had rained the night before and the earth was soft and not baked and dusty as it so often is this late in the summer. As I'm digging, the occasional clear quartz crystal rolls out of the ground--doling out just enough crystals to keep me interested. Not far from where I'm digging is Leland in his hole and a young couple named Ocean and Terra who were "Deadheads", faithful devotees of the Grateful Dead rock group who were following the band's concerts throughout the United States. At this point, none of us were really getting much of anything and just as I was getting a little disappointed, I made another swipe with my pick and out from the wall of my hole rolls the most beautiful scepter I have ever seen. It actually rolls right into my outstretched hand! The smoky-amethyst head of my crystal is one and one quarter inches long and has four small doubly terminated amethyst crystals perched beautifully on two of its prism faces just above its nearly one inch long shank. I began squealing in my excitement and wished that John was there to see my find but I had no idea where he was. I ran over and showed the others my treasure and that's all it took to inspire them into moving more dirt. When John finally returned, I smiled at him slyly and told him not to get too excited as I held up my scepter for him to see. A big smile overtook his face and he immediately jumped into my hole--crystal fever overtaking him. He mucked out the hole and enlarged it considerably, boy did he ever move a lot of dirt. By the time he was done, we had a hole approximately six feet wide going eight feet back into the hillside. For all of his diligent effort he found only two more scepters and six other crystals with color. Together we might not have done so well when it came to quantity, but we sure scored when it came to quality! Gloria Golden Moments At Crystal Park By John Cornish 1/01 Back in July of '97, on Wednesday the 16th, my wife Gloria and I were at Crystal Park and were doing our best to enjoy ourselves. The bugs were terrible flying all about us in thick blood sucking swarms which made digging a misery. We'd pulled into the Park a few days earlier and thus far we'd had relatively little luck collecting, a little here and a little there, but nothing really worthy of the effort. On this day, our third, we decided to work the far side of the hill out in the open where few trees grew and this is where we finally made our big find. Choice golden glowing citrines, scores of them. The crystals were all spread downhill in an obvious float layer which extended from near the surface to about twenty- four inches deep. We discovered separate crystals and clotted groups of individuals which as a whole were quite consistent in their solid base to termination coloring. Most commonly discovered were crystals with broken bases displaying a typical conchoidal fracture. Of rarer occurrence were crystals which were terminated by multiple small colorless points reflecting continued crystal growth after their initial breakage. An attractive sharp citrine phantom is present in some crystals where the citrine is followed by a colorless zone at the termination. The only negative inconsistency in their wonderfully rich golden color had developed in an area plagued by abundant internal fracturing also found near the termination's of some crystals producing an unattractive zone of mottled colorless/citrine. This discoloration was thankfully observed in only a very small percentage of the hundreds and hundreds of crystals which we and other friends found. The crystals averaged a half inch up to slightly over an inch in thickness and ran in lengths up to three inches long. Sceptered citrine crystals were also found both as singles and in extremely rare doubly terminated crystal clusters. These crystals, the rarest of the rare, are among our most highly prized Crystal Park treasures. Our diggings covered quite an area and overall we were pleased with the returns of our efforts. With these extreme digging conditions (i.e. the bugs) we continued a pattern of doing our major digging at night with the aid of a lantern and flashlight. The bugs were at their least bothersome then and the tourists were also pleasantly absent. In the quiet of the Park, nestled down in the rich brown earth, we dug the hours contentedly away. We left soon thereafter for home having collected our fill, or maybe its more honest to say that the bugs finally drove us away with their constant assaults, either way we were on our way home, our blood and our newly won treasures safe and shared in another memory gleaned from our experiences digging at Crystal Park. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 15:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 19 15:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HS code (harmonizing system) for customs duty References: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> <3FE248D7.2F9E@Tomaszewski.net> <002501c3c641$d510fca0$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: <3FE3884D.5B9E@Tomaszewski.net> Stuart Schmitt wrote: > > A while back someone posted a customs code to be used fore shipping minerals > (geological samples) over seas... to European countries in particular. Does > anyone have that 10 digit code handy? 97050000 Mineral specimens for study (negligable cash value) Remember the recipient may have to pay a (vat) tax on the value of the specimen. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 17:01:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Dec 19 17:01:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories References: <3FE33F83.3000404@tenforward.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20031219121443.01e6a968@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <001301c3c683$8cfcd0a0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Julie and I visited Crystal Park in the fall of '01 when we were both relatively new to serious rockhounding. Being late in the season (and a few weeks after 9/11), there was only one other couple up there so we wandered at leisure until jumping into a pre-existing pit. We did not find much that I would haul out today, but for a couple of newbies it was great fun and I still treasure the stuff we did bring home. This being my first mineral park experience I was concerned about the undercutting of trees and the general 'bomb crater' appearance of the whole place - especially since the area is very scenic. But I have since been able to think in a geologic time scale and know that the earth will heal just fine (not to ignore the need to address erosion control, etc.). The powers that be (FS?) had fenced off areas deemed too dangerous for digging and we had no problem with that. The interpretive signage was pretty adequate and toilets were a nice touch after camping for days. Although we have since discovered rich treasures elsewhere, Crystal Park remains one of our favorite rockhounding experiences. We had hoped to return there last summer but ended up seeking sapphire and agate near Helena instead (bummer!). We will be back assuming they keep it open. John Driving with snow chains in Santa, Idaho From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 17:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Fri Dec 19 17:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Solstice Rock Field Trip: Dec. 21 Message-ID: Solstice Rock and Birthing Stone Field Trip Sponsored by Bureau of Land Management and Buena Vista Museum of Natural History December 21, 2003 We are braving the elements to see the solstice rock site "in action" on the morning of Dec. 21. The paleoastronomic sight near Walker Pass will be explored on the morning of the winter solstice. It has been theorized that this site is where Tubatulabal Indians marked the winter and summer solstices. Along with viewing the solstice, we will see the Birthing Stone site nearby. Here we will examine the theory that this is a place where Native American woman received instructions on how to cause or prevent pregnancy. We meet at 6:00 AM at the Cheveron Station in Onyx. Bring lunch and plenty of water. >From Bakersfield, take Highway 178 through Lake Isabella. Continue on 178 east toward Ridgecrest. Onyx is 16 miles east of Lake Isabella. These are fragile and sensitive archaeological sites protected by several federal and state laws. We urge caution in approaching these cultural treasures and you will be asked to avoid touching or disturbing them in any way. Take pictures! Leave only footprints! Registration fees are $10 per person per day, or $25 per vehicle per day, which ever is less. You may pay on the day of the trip. You will be asked to sign a "Hold Harmless" agreement before the field trip begins. Bring lunch and plenty of water. Sherry Pauley Buena Vista Museum of Natural History Administrator/Chairman of Docents/Web Master webmaster@sharktoothhill.com www.sharktoothhill.com Museum: 661-324-6350 Fax: 661-324-7522 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 19 19:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Dec 19 19:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pristine mystery Message-ID: <24.4be06354.2d151c78@aol.com> Apparently "Pristine" is a very pure white type of Magnesite. It does appear to be somewhat harder than common Magnesite and is so pure in color (white) that is shows no traces of any other color or mineral. It's exact location, however, is still unknown other than "Northern Arizona." --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 20 07:33:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Dec 20 07:33:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ebay auctions ! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031220162935.00b3aca0@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, nice unexpensive specimens from today on up to Xmas on Ebay !!! visit: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=italianminerals&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 and if you have time visit our website ! a lot to see and get from Italy and worldwide !!! Have a woderfull Xmas and a happy 2004 !!!! Alessandro, ItalianMinerals.com owner ============================== Quality minerals from Italy and worldwide Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com ============================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 20 11:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories References: Message-ID: <3FE4D1FC.3B8362CD@emory.edu> In a perfect world, we would dig until there was nothing left to find, then replant the upturned soil and move on to find those lovely crystals under those waiting-to-be-plywood trees. (Talk about your run-on sentences). Anita Aaron Fox wrote: > > I hadn't realized that the Forest Service had made such drastic > 'improvements' to the site. I just hope, as with everyone else here, that > they don't decide to close it. That seems to be a classic FS trait; take > something that everyone has used well for years, turn it into a > 'facility', and close it to everyone five years later due to 'budget cuts' > > As to the trees. It's a mineral park, yes. Get rid of the trees, fine > with me. A few acres of trees is, in my book, no biggie. I worry more > about the long-term effects on slope stability and erosion, not to metion > sediment transport on and off-site. > > > supposed to do. Keep your excavations safe, no overhangs, overhangs kill > > (A collector was killed this year in Montana, in the Lolo Pass area. > > They, the land managers, have been hinting of closing much of this area > > for years, I hope this is not the excuse they needed. And for > > This kind of thing pisses me off. Why should I have to pay for somebody > else's stupidity! If you're not smart enough to maintain a safe > excavation, fine. It's your life. But when people use it as an excuse to > prohibit something, grrrrr..... > > > remove them. The FS has done all sorts of improvements to the Park since > > receiving it from the Butte Club. The improvements have come with quite > > a cost though. > > Here's a question: Do y'all think the area is better off overall, now > that it's a 'managed' property? Not intending any flames; I'm just > curious. > > > Why are these trees protected? This is a Mineral Park. If the trees were > > cut the moneys from the timber sale could have made all the > > improvements we're now paying for. And the > > Got no problem with it, so long as part of the money is set aside for > dealing with long-term environmental problems, such as sediment runoff and > long-term sustainability. Surrounding the site with silt fences that get > cleared every year might be a good start (albeit a bit of an eyesore)... > > > All the best everyone, and to you too Aaron, you ol' tree hugger you! : ) > > Heh. I guess I am a bit of a tree hugger. When you work as a geologist, > you're often in an interesting position. On the one hand, you often work > towards conservation. However, you also work for extractive industries > whose goal is to treat wildlands as assets. It's a strange line you need > to walk, balancing environmentalism with practical economic realities.... > > Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one... > > a. > > -- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 20 15:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: HS code (harmonizing system) for customs duty In-Reply-To: <20031220020003.2352.38538.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: The complete code per the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (2003) would be: 9705.00.00.90 which stands for: Collections and collectors' pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, anatomical, historical, archeological, paleontological, ethnographic or numismatic interest, Other Johan Maertens mineral.maertensNO@SPAMatt.net (Remove NO SPAM for reply) Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 21 09:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 21 09:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE5DB9E.6070606@tenforward.com> Hi Aaron, "Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one..." Boy, your good! This must be why your list moderator! Regarding your note, closing the Park....too scary! I'm going to hide away from the potential of this reality, it's just too frightening! This is such a wonderful place for folks to visit in such a beautiful part of Montana. It would really be just too unthinkable to have Crystal Park be lost through mismanagement. Shudder!. "Why should I have to pay for somebody else's stupidity! If you're not smart enough to maintain a safe excavation, fine. It's your life. But when people use it as an excuse to prohibit something, grrrrr....." I couldn't agree more, but as Americans, we've run pell-mell to become an over enthusiastic sue-happy society. Heck, if someone comes over to visit and trips on my porch and breaks their leg, they can sue. Too bad we don't decide as a Nation to be responsible for ourselves! "Here's a question: Do y'all think the area is better off overall, now that it's a 'managed' property? Not intending any flames; I'm just curious." Since I kind of opened this can of worms, and since no one else has directly replied, I'll take your question on. I think the Crystal Park scenario is one which is all to prevalent in our times, by this I refer to it's being a scenario out of balance. The FS (and to be clear here, it doesn't take much to throw a stone, i.e. it's sometimes all too easy to lay blame at anothers feet without taking responsibility for ones own role in the play!) just took things a bit too far for my liking. Many of the improvements are terrific, bathrooms, water, paved paths, and the need for a camping area to support the droves of collectors and visitors was also there. I guess I just want things to be how they were, magical and not so overly regulated! "Heh. I guess I am a bit of a tree hugger." I won't hold it against you! Aaron, to you and everyone else, happy holidays! Take care, John Aaron Fox wrote: >I hadn't realized that the Forest Service had made such drastic >'improvements' to the site. I just hope, as with everyone else here, that >they don't decide to close it. That seems to be a classic FS trait; take >something that everyone has used well for years, turn it into a >'facility', and close it to everyone five years later due to 'budget cuts' > >As to the trees. It's a mineral park, yes. Get rid of the trees, fine >with me. A few acres of trees is, in my book, no biggie. I worry more >about the long-term effects on slope stability and erosion, not to metion >sediment transport on and off-site. > > > >>supposed to do. Keep your excavations safe, no overhangs, overhangs kill >>(A collector was killed this year in Montana, in the Lolo Pass area. >>They, the land managers, have been hinting of closing much of this area >>for years, I hope this is not the excuse they needed. And for >> >> > >This kind of thing pisses me off. Why should I have to pay for somebody >else's stupidity! If you're not smart enough to maintain a safe >excavation, fine. It's your life. But when people use it as an excuse to >prohibit something, grrrrr..... > > > >>remove them. The FS has done all sorts of improvements to the Park since >>receiving it from the Butte Club. The improvements have come with quite >>a cost though. >> >> > >Here's a question: Do y'all think the area is better off overall, now >that it's a 'managed' property? Not intending any flames; I'm just >curious. > > > >>Why are these trees protected? This is a Mineral Park. If the trees were >>cut the moneys from the timber sale could have made all the >>improvements we're now paying for. And the >> >> > >Got no problem with it, so long as part of the money is set aside for >dealing with long-term environmental problems, such as sediment runoff and >long-term sustainability. Surrounding the site with silt fences that get >cleared every year might be a good start (albeit a bit of an eyesore)... > > > >>All the best everyone, and to you too Aaron, you ol' tree hugger you! : ) >> >> > >Heh. I guess I am a bit of a tree hugger. When you work as a geologist, >you're often in an interesting position. On the one hand, you often work >towards conservation. However, you also work for extractive industries >whose goal is to treat wildlands as assets. It's a strange line you need >to walk, balancing environmentalism with practical economic realities.... >Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one... > >a. >Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one... > >a. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 21 09:44:19 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 21 09:44:19 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: <001301c3c683$8cfcd0a0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <3FE33F83.3000404@tenforward.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20031219121443.01e6a968@mail.spiritone.com> <001301c3c683$8cfcd0a0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <3FE5DBD0.8000407@tenforward.com> Hi John, I agree, the Crystal Park interpretive signs are good, well written and easily understood. The toilets are terrific additions too. And, they were needed! The water also made available via a hand pump is some of the most delicious water I've ever drank. Lip-smacking good on a hot dusty crystal filled day! Say hi to Santa for all of us and wish him safe journeys upcoming, and if you remember, tell him we had to move his Christmas Crystals to the Kitchen counter, the cats were having too much fun with them in their old place. All the very best, John John Siebel wrote: >Julie and I visited Crystal Park in the fall of '01 when we were both >relatively new to serious rockhounding. Being late in the season (and a few >weeks after 9/11), there was only one other couple up there so we wandered >at leisure until jumping into a pre-existing pit. We did not find much that >I would haul out today, but for a couple of newbies it was great fun and I >still treasure the stuff we did bring home. This being my first mineral park >experience I was concerned about the undercutting of trees and the general >'bomb crater' appearance of the whole place - especially since the area is >very scenic. But I have since been able to think in a geologic time scale >and know that the earth will heal just fine (not to ignore the need to >address erosion control, etc.). The powers that be (FS?) had fenced off >areas deemed too dangerous for digging and we had no problem with that. The >interpretive signage was pretty adequate and toilets were a nice touch after >camping for days. > >Although we have since discovered rich treasures elsewhere, Crystal Park >remains one of our favorite rockhounding experiences. We had hoped to return >there last summer but ended up seeking sapphire and agate near Helena >instead (bummer!). We will be back assuming they keep it open. > >John >Driving with snow chains in Santa, Idaho > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 21 09:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 21 09:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: <20031219231049.DB2F1EA9A55@delivery.infowest.com> References: <20031219231049.DB2F1EA9A55@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <3FE5DBDD.3030605@tenforward.com> Hi Margaret, Thanks for the note. I hope your timing is better on your next trip through. Did you at least have the opportunity to eat the blissfully cold hard-ice cream at the Hot Springs? Yum, yum, yum. Take care, John Margaret Malm wrote: >Oh, gee now you guys have me crying. I was in Montana on an Elderhostel and >had a few spare days afterwards. I headed happily down to Crystal Park. I >had never been even near there before, but I knew when I got there! All I >found was a totally jammed parking lot; absolutely noplace for me to even >stop!!! Sob! Of course, it WAS Labor Day weekend -- >Margaret > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria >Cornish >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:23 AM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories > >Hi Everyone, > >With all the talk on Montana, I thought I'd share two stories written by >my wife and I on collecting in Montana at Crystal Park. I hope you >enjoy. Happy Holidays everyone! Sincerely, > >John and Gloria Cornish > >My Most Memorable Crystal Park Trip >By Gloria Cornish 1/01 > >Our August 1993 vacation to Montana and Crystal Park to this day remains >one of my most memorable collecting experiences. We had my niece Katy >along for her first ever "crystal collecting" vacation and what better >place to take her than Crystal Park? This would be our second trip to >the Park in search of the mother lode--a pocket of amethyst scepters. We >had already been inspired by the collecting tales of others who were >fortunate enough to discover their own scepter pockets and when we >finally arrived at the Park we met another collector who had just found >his own mother lode, his name was Leland Stanford. Leland had just >collected dozens and dozens of amethyst scepter heads that day, most of >them without the shanks, but what a terrific find. We were primed and >ready to discover our own treasure! John and I will often start out >digging together in one hole, but then I'll usually get impatient as the >crystals don't just immediately roll out of the dirt. When this happened >I decided to go and collect by Leland who was on the side of the hill >directly above the upper parking lot between the two asphalt paths, >approximately twenty feet below the upper path. The ground was perfect >for digging since it had rained the night before and the earth was soft >and not baked and dusty as it so often is this late in the summer. As >I'm digging, the occasional clear quartz crystal rolls out of the >ground--doling out just enough crystals to keep me interested. Not far >from where I'm digging is Leland in his hole and a young couple named >Ocean and Terra who were "Deadheads", faithful devotees of the Grateful >Dead rock group who were following the band's concerts throughout the >United States. At this point, none of us were really getting much of >anything and just as I was getting a little disappointed, I made another >swipe with my pick and out from the wall of my hole rolls the most >beautiful scepter I have ever seen. It actually rolls right into my >outstretched hand! The smoky-amethyst head of my crystal is one and one >quarter inches long and has four small doubly terminated amethyst >crystals perched beautifully on two of its prism faces just above its >nearly one inch long shank. I began squealing in my excitement and >wished that John was there to see my find but I had no idea where he >was. I ran over and showed the others my treasure and that's all it took >to inspire them into moving more dirt. When John finally returned, I >smiled at him slyly and told him not to get too excited as I held up my >scepter for him to see. A big smile overtook his face and he immediately >jumped into my hole--crystal fever overtaking him. He mucked out the >hole and enlarged it considerably, boy did he ever move a lot of dirt. >By the time he was done, we had a hole approximately six feet wide going >eight feet back into the hillside. For all of his diligent effort he >found only two more scepters and six other crystals with color. Together >we might not have done so well when it came to quantity, but we sure >scored when it came to quality! > >Gloria > > > >Golden Moments At Crystal Park >By John Cornish 1/01 > > > Back in July of '97, on Wednesday the 16th, my wife Gloria and I were at > Crystal Park and were doing our best to enjoy ourselves. The bugs were > terrible flying all about us in thick blood sucking swarms which made > digging a misery. We'd pulled into the Park a few days earlier and > thus far > we'd had relatively little luck collecting, a little here and a little > there, but nothing really worthy of the effort. On this day, our > third, we > decided to work the far side of the hill out in the open where few trees > grew and this is where we finally made our big find. Choice golden > glowing > citrines, scores of them. The crystals were all spread downhill in an > obvious float layer which extended from near the surface to about > twenty- > four inches deep. We discovered separate crystals and clotted groups of > individuals which as a whole were quite consistent in their solid > base to > termination coloring. Most commonly discovered were crystals with broken > bases displaying a typical conchoidal fracture. Of rarer occurrence were > crystals which were terminated by multiple small colorless points > reflecting > continued crystal growth after their initial breakage. An attractive > sharp > citrine phantom is present in some crystals where the citrine is > followed by > a colorless zone at the termination. The only negative inconsistency in > their wonderfully rich golden color had developed in an area plagued by > abundant internal fracturing also found near the termination's of some > crystals producing an unattractive zone of mottled > colorless/citrine. This > discoloration was thankfully observed in only a very small > percentage of the > hundreds and hundreds of crystals which we and other friends found. The > crystals averaged a half inch up to slightly over an inch in > thickness and > ran in lengths up to three inches long. Sceptered citrine crystals > were also > found both as singles and in extremely rare doubly terminated crystal > clusters. These crystals, the rarest of the rare, are among our most > highly > prized Crystal Park treasures. Our diggings covered quite an area and > overall we were pleased with the returns of our efforts. With these > extreme > digging conditions (i.e. the bugs) we continued a pattern of doing > our major > digging at night with the aid of a lantern and flashlight. The bugs > were at > their least bothersome then and the tourists were also pleasantly > absent. In > the quiet of the Park, nestled down in the rich brown earth, we dug the > hours contentedly away. We left soon thereafter for home having > collected > our fill, or maybe its more honest to say that the bugs finally drove us > away with their constant assaults, either way we were on our way > home, our > blood and our newly won treasures safe and shared in > another memory gleaned from our experiences digging at Crystal Park. > > John > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 21 10:19:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Dec 21 10:19:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana Crystal Park stories In-Reply-To: <3FE5DB9E.6070606@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <0381977E-33E2-11D8-85BA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Holiday Greetings to all, Crystal Park is one of the most popular collecting areas in the USA. It was fairly well known and popular before the quartz thing began with the rise of the metaphysical movement in the 1980s, but when that hit, the place became the number one quartz location in the West. The amount of digging or area dug up from the mid 1980s to the mid 1990s was incredible, the change from a hill with some digging on it to what looks like a war zone amazed me. The Forest Service in its typical reaction of control and protect (supposedly), turned it into an "official" rockhounding site. Whereas the amenities (toilets, water, parking, etc.) are good, the management has not been ideal. However, I do believe there would have been more than one death there if the FS and Butte Club hadn't set some rules, which if you look at the number of trees that have been undercut, have been often ignored, which is why westerly treed area has been marked as a "No Collecting" area. The FS has plans, but no money for improving the park. One of the plans includes bulldozing some of the surface to remove the dug up layer and expose fresh ground. Apparently they have no money for that though, the fee just helps with maintainance. As others believe, the National Forests are supposed to be for "Multiple Use." There is nothing wrong with setting aside areas such as this for digging up and disturbing the surface for rockhounding activities. All uses of the public lands consume resources in various ways, rockhounds shouldn't be treated differently and denied access and use. See you at Crystal Park some day, Lanny On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 09:42 AM, John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > "Heh. I think I avoided *most* of the flames on that one..." > > Boy, your good! This must be why your list moderator! Regarding your > note, closing the Park....too scary! I'm going to hide away from the > potential of this reality, it's just too frightening! This is such a > wonderful place for folks to visit in such a beautiful part of > Montana. It would really be just too unthinkable to have Crystal Park > be lost through mismanagement. Shudder!. > "Why should I have to pay for somebody else's stupidity! If you're > not smart enough to maintain a safe excavation, fine. It's your life. > But when people use it as an excuse to prohibit something, > grrrrr....." > > I couldn't agree more, but as Americans, we've run pell-mell to become > an over enthusiastic sue-happy society. Heck, if someone comes over to > visit and trips on my porch and breaks their leg, they can sue. Too > bad we don't decide as a Nation to be responsible for ourselves! > > "Here's a question: Do y'all think the area is better off overall, > now that it's a 'managed' property? Not intending any flames; I'm > just curious." > > Since I kind of opened this can of worms, and since no one else has > directly replied, I'll take your question on. I think the Crystal Park > scenario is one which is all to prevalent in our times, by this I > refer to it's being a scenario out of balance. The FS (and to be clear > here, it doesn't take much to throw a stone, i.e. it's sometimes all > too easy to lay blame at anothers feet without taking responsibility > for ones own role in the play!) just took things a bit too far for my > liking. Many of the improvements are terrific, bathrooms, water, paved > paths, and the need for a camping area to support the droves of > collectors and visitors was also there. I guess I just want things to > be how they were, magical and not so overly regulated! > "Heh. I guess I am a bit of a tree hugger." > > I won't hold it against you! Aaron, to you and everyone else, happy > holidays! Take care, > > John > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 22 21:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Dec 22 21:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue Message-ID: <65.1f4e6e99.2d19260d@aol.com> Back in the "Stone Ages" specimens were glue on to piece of styrofoam place in the little protective boxes. Often if done right the glue was not visable. I think the putty method is often unsightly and less stable. Is gluing now considered a "Mortal Sin"? Am I still in the "Stone Ages"? T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 22 22:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue References: <65.1f4e6e99.2d19260d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FE7E661.53C2@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Back in the "Stone Ages" specimens were glue on to piece of styrofoam place > in the little protective boxes. Often if done right the glue was not visable. I > think the putty method is often unsightly and less stable. Is gluing now > considered a "Mortal Sin"? Am I still in the "Stone Ages"? > > T. McGinnis The mortal sin is using non-removable mounting materials. A venial sin is making the mounting material visible. Gravity is always the best mounting material. I don't think the "rules" have changed; I have styrofoam mounted specimens (and some are treasured). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 23 05:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Tue Dec 23 05:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue In-Reply-To: <65.1f4e6e99.2d19260d@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20031223075945.00be46f0@pop.megalink.net> At 12:01 AM 12/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Back in the "Stone Ages" specimens were glue on to piece of styrofoam place >in the little protective boxes. Often if done right the glue was not >visable. I >think the putty method is often unsightly and less stable. Is gluing now >considered a "Mortal Sin"? Am I still in the "Stone Ages"? > >T. McGinnis I use the putty when: A.) it will be hidden by the specimen and B.) I may want to remove the piece at some later date; otherwise I use Elmer's white glue... especially for stuff that should NOT be moving around....one person's viewpoint.... best wishes, Duane From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 23 05:48:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Dec 23 05:48:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20031223075945.00be46f0@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <000601c3c959$7f22b840$cac5c950@maxdata> Hi all, For me the use of putty is a sin, the use of glue a mortal sin... I have seen several cases where by the use of putty or glue very interesting parts (the back is not always uninteresting... :>)) of specimens were completely ruined. And it is often quite difficult to remove traces of putty or glue from a specimen. The only exception are real micromounts (I mean really tiny little specimens, a few mm maximum, that cannot be handled decently for observation under a microscope). For the rest I limit the use of putty (fat free, good quality is imperative) only for very delicate small specimens, and for specimens where I have no other solution (e.g. radio-active specimens that I offer on mineral shows, because I have to mount them in a closed JOUSI box). Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Duane *Sent: dinsdag 23 december 2003 14:02 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue * * *At 12:01 AM 12/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: *>Back in the "Stone Ages" specimens were glue on to piece of styrofoam *>place in the little protective boxes. Often if done right the *glue was *>not visable. I think the putty method is often unsightly and less *>stable. Is gluing now considered a "Mortal Sin"? Am I still in the *>"Stone Ages"? *> *>T. McGinnis * * I use the putty when: A.) it will be hidden by the *specimen and *B.) I may want to remove the piece at some later date; otherwise I use *Elmer's white glue... especially for stuff that should NOT be moving *around....one person's viewpoint.... best wishes, Duane * * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 24 07:25:15 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Dec 24 07:25:15 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Season's greetings Message-ID: <000001c3ca30$94682500$425204d0@jim> We'd like to wish all our friends a merry and peaceful holiday season. Jim & Barb Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 24 14:14:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Wed Dec 24 14:14:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sincere Christmas wishes.. In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20031223075945.00be46f0@pop.megalink.net> References: <4.3.1.0.20031223075945.00be46f0@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <3FEA1038.60600@ptd.net> I may not weigh in on much during the year, but during this Holiday, I get to feeling like I really NEED to send a sincere and heart-felt wish for a healthful, happy, and peaceful Christmas to everyone!! And; Of course the rest of the year too.... There truly is something good in the fact that many people can get together and converse, even if it is virtually!!! > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 25 08:25:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Dec 25 08:25:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue References: <000601c3c959$7f22b840$cac5c950@maxdata> Message-ID: <003301c3cb02$ae8aa200$b14027c4@horstspc> Hi all, Have been following this debate with a keen interest, albeit from the point of view of a micromounter. As a micromounter, I still advocate the use of glue, using putty is a SIN in my view. I mount permanently, using a water soluble glue and mount the specimen on a cork or balsa wood base. (Some micromounters use other ingenious methods, e.g. Paul Smith in Fairfax, Virginia USA, amongst others uses squirrel hairs!) Most US micromounters use the permanent method, but practically ALL micromounters in Europe use some or other form of putty. There argument is that it is less work, the specimen can be taken out for photography and various other reasons. The disadvantage of course, is that putty loses its "moisture" over a period of time and eventually the specimen becomes detached from its base. The method used in the USA, requires more time, skill in positioning the specimen in its optimum position (for viewing and photographing).In any case, there are various gadgets on the market (home-made and commercial) which allows the specimen box to be swiveled into various positions (if wanting to photograph a specific area or feature of the specimen). To my mind, micromounts should be "mounted" and not just "stuck" into a piece of putty!. This has led to a few debates, whether those using only putty can be considered "micromounters" in the strict sense of the word.or are they just "micro mineral collectors"? This debate has sparked my enthusiasm for mounting again; I have mounted just over 100 specimens in the last couple of days (the first mounting I have done in the past 37 months; this lull in mounting was largely due to all the "mishaps" that we have encountered since the beginning of 2001.Even at present, Erika (my wife) has just had a second hip operation today, after "dislocating" her new artificial hip FOUR times within the past few weeks) Wishing you all a pleasant festive season and everything of the best for 2004. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue > Hi all, > > For me the use of putty is a sin, the use of glue a mortal sin... > I have seen several cases where by the use of putty or glue very interesting parts (the back is not always uninteresting... :>)) of > specimens were completely ruined. > And it is often quite difficult to remove traces of putty or glue from a specimen. > The only exception are real micromounts (I mean really tiny little specimens, a few mm maximum, that cannot be handled decently for > observation under a microscope). > For the rest I limit the use of putty (fat free, good quality is imperative) only for very delicate small specimens, and for > specimens where I have no other solution (e.g. radio-active specimens that I offer on mineral shows, because I have to mount them in > a closed JOUSI box). > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > *-----Original Message----- > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Duane > *Sent: dinsdag 23 december 2003 14:02 > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue > * > * > *At 12:01 AM 12/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: > *>Back in the "Stone Ages" specimens were glue on to piece of styrofoam > *>place in the little protective boxes. Often if done right the > *glue was > *>not visable. I think the putty method is often unsightly and less > *>stable. Is gluing now considered a "Mortal Sin"? Am I still in the > *>"Stone Ages"? > *> > *>T. McGinnis > * > * I use the putty when: A.) it will be hidden by the > *specimen and > *B.) I may want to remove the piece at some later date; otherwise I use > *Elmer's white glue... especially for stuff that should NOT be moving > *around....one person's viewpoint.... best wishes, Duane > * > * > *_______________________________________________ > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > *Subscription Services: > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 25 10:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031217072426.0302a020@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <20031225181023.60667.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> Hi! Amber commonly occurs in a wide variety of yellow-orange shades, hence the term "amber color". Amber is also known to occur in other colors (although rarely): bluish, greenish (fluorescent varities). Commercially these pieces aren't readily available or in many cases, they are originally common amber, whose original color has been altered by heating or by chemicals. When polished most amber pieces are translucent, although some ambers are very opaque (milky appearance)and some are inbetween. Inclusions are always desirable, but are rather rare. Some magnificent examples, museum quality, have been found. Most of the amber in the world (Baltic, Dominican Republic, Simojovel (Chiapas, Mexico) is Tertiary in age, although there are some famous Cretaceous deposits in New Jersey and in Lebanon. Greetings, Virginia Friedman --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm going to display my ignorance with this > question: I saw a shop > as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ > http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] > that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some > amber is golden. Some > amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In > another place they say it > is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: > "cognac." Anybody know > anything about this? I did not know that amber came > in any color other > than...well, amber. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release > Date: 12/2/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Dec 25 10:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] green amber? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031217072426.0302a020@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <20031225181245.50035.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi! Amber commonly occurs in a wide variety of yellow-orange shades, hence the term "amber color". Amber is also known to occur in other colors (although rarely): bluish, greenish (fluorescent varities). Commercially these pieces aren't readily available or in many cases, they are originally common amber, whose original color has been altered by heating or by chemicals. When polished most amber pieces are translucent, although some ambers are very opaque (milky appearance)and some are inbetween. Inclusions are always desirable, but are rather rare. Some magnificent examples, museum quality, have been found. Most of the amber in the world (Baltic, Dominican Republic, Simojovel (Chiapas, Mexico) is Tertiary in age, although there are some famous Cretaceous deposits in New Jersey and in Lebanon. Greetings, Virginia Friedman --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm going to display my ignorance with this > question: I saw a shop > as part of The Breast Cancer Site [ > http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ] > that sells Green Amber Jewelry. It says: "Some > amber is golden. Some > amber is lemon-yellow. This amber is green!" In > another place they say it > is "Baltic" amber, and gives another color: > "cognac." Anybody know > anything about this? I did not know that amber came > in any color other > than...well, amber. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release > Date: 12/2/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Dec 26 02:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Fri Dec 26 02:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue References: <000601c3c959$7f22b840$cac5c950@maxdata> <003301c3cb02$ae8aa200$b14027c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <002801c3cb9d$3ae07b40$97e1fea9@1> Hi all, I have some micromounts of circa 1975 using bluetack, and they are OK. I use the metod with small specimens too, just to prevent them of rolling inside the boxes and damaging for 30 years, and I am perfectly satisfied.Other specimens that did not receive that care are in much worse condition. Armando, Portugal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Windisch" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue > Hi all, > > Have been following this debate with a keen interest, albeit from the point > of view of a micromounter. As a micromounter, I still advocate the use of > glue, using putty is a SIN in my view. I mount permanently, using a water > soluble glue and mount the specimen on a cork or balsa wood base. (Some > micromounters use other ingenious methods, e.g. Paul Smith in Fairfax, > Virginia USA, amongst others uses squirrel hairs!) > > Most US micromounters use the permanent method, but practically ALL > micromounters in Europe use some or other form of putty. There argument is > that it is less work, the specimen can be taken out for photography and > various other reasons. The disadvantage of course, is that putty loses its > "moisture" over a period of time and eventually the specimen becomes > detached from its base. The method used in the USA, requires more time, > skill in positioning the specimen in its optimum position (for viewing and > photographing).In any case, there are various gadgets on the market > (home-made and commercial) which allows the specimen box to be swiveled into > various positions (if wanting to photograph a specific area or feature of > the specimen). > > To my mind, micromounts should be "mounted" and not just "stuck" into a > piece of putty!. This has led to a few debates, whether those using only > putty can be considered "micromounters" in the strict sense of the word.or > are they just "micro mineral collectors"? > > This debate has sparked my enthusiasm for mounting again; I have mounted > just over 100 specimens in the last couple of days (the first mounting I > have done in the past 37 months; this lull in mounting was largely due to > all the "mishaps" that we have encountered since the beginning of 2001.Even > at present, Erika (my wife) has just had a second hip operation today, after > "dislocating" her new artificial hip FOUR times within the past few weeks) > > Wishing you all a pleasant festive season and everything of the best for > 2004. > > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Dillen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:34 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue > > > > Hi all, > > > > For me the use of putty is a sin, the use of glue a mortal sin... > > I have seen several cases where by the use of putty or glue very > interesting parts (the back is not always uninteresting... :>)) of > > specimens were completely ruined. > > And it is often quite difficult to remove traces of putty or glue from a > specimen. > > The only exception are real micromounts (I mean really tiny little > specimens, a few mm maximum, that cannot be handled decently for > > observation under a microscope). > > For the rest I limit the use of putty (fat free, good quality is > imperative) only for very delicate small specimens, and for > > specimens where I have no other solution (e.g. radio-active specimens that > I offer on mineral shows, because I have to mount them in > > a closed JOUSI box). > > > > Greetings, > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > *-----Original Message----- > > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Duane > > *Sent: dinsdag 23 december 2003 14:02 > > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Putty vs. Glue > > * > > * > > *At 12:01 AM 12/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > *>Back in the "Stone Ages" specimens were glue on to piece of styrofoam > > *>place in the little protective boxes. Often if done right the > > *glue was > > *>not visable. I think the putty method is often unsightly and less > > *>stable. Is gluing now considered a "Mortal Sin"? Am I still in the > > *>"Stone Ages"? > > *> > > *>T. McGinnis > > * > > * I use the putty when: A.) it will be hidden by the > > *specimen and > > *B.) I may want to remove the piece at some later date; otherwise I use > > *Elmer's white glue... especially for stuff that should NOT be moving > > *around....one person's viewpoint.... best wishes, Duane > > * > > * > > *_______________________________________________ > > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > *Subscription Services: > > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > * > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 27 06:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Dec 27 06:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wonder what all the rockhounds are doing? Message-ID: <002e01c3cc8a$12e11580$5da4490c@pete> Hi, and hello and happy week-after-Christmas to everyone on the = Rockhounds list! Is the Rockhounds list really working this week? It seems like I = haven't received any messages from the list at all, since before = Christmas. Does this just mean everyone is spending quiet holiday time = with their families, and not doing anything connected with rocks?? (I = just checked my deleted mail file, I see there was one message on the = 26th and a couple of Xmas day, so I guess the list is working!) Well let's see if I can add anything about rocks. Were there any rocks = in my Christmas? One little present I received (Jane and I give each = other a lot of little sometimes-silly things we pick up over the course = of the year) was a slab (suitable for using as a coaster) of = sort-of-unakite, it looks like an interesting-textured, pink to = greenish, porphyritic volcanic rock, with one large patch of green = epidote. I told her I have collected the metarhyolite from South = Mountain (southeastern PA) that has a somewhat similar mottled = pink-and-green texture with epidote, and that is sometimes refered to as = unakite. It differs from "true" unakite, which is a type of granite = with pink feldspar and green epidote. And here's a note especially for Kitty & Bill, this afternoon I'll be = giving a science presentation, slide show and "show and tell" display of = rock samples, on "Volcanoes" at a Science Discovery Center in Fort = Collins, CO. I've gotten out a selection of slides from Kilauea Volcano = that I took on my visits there during eruptions in the late 1970's (a = time while the volcano was actually fairly quiet most of the not--not = like the long-continued eruptions since). Our weather in Denver has been fairly cold but fair; clear and sunny = mostly, down around 20 at night but up in the 40's during the day. = Though we've been having severe snowstorms in the mountains and western = Colorado, here in Denver there's only a touch of snow left in the shady = areas on the ground, and no fresh snow since a week ago. On Christmas = morning I had a very good look at the bright International Space Station = as it passed over here before dawn, at about 5:50 a.m. Best wishes for a good (coming) New Year to all, Pete Modreski, Denver CO --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 27 07:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Dec 27 07:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] P.S., and... Peace on Earth Message-ID: <004101c3cc92$5bd23460$5da4490c@pete> My P.S. to Rockhounds, I meant to add in my last message, my best wishes to all, on this list = and everywhere around the world, for peace on earth. My thoughts, = wishes, and prayers go especially to all those affected by the violence = in Iraq and elswhere, and the natural disasters in Iran, California, and = Utah. Pete Modreski --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 27 11:04:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Dec 27 11:04:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wonder what all the rockhounds are doing? In-Reply-To: <002e01c3cc8a$12e11580$5da4490c@pete> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031227075849.00a49670@mail.aloha.net> Well, yesterday we had our annual "Boxing Day" party, where friends and family get together the day after Christmas for food, beverages, and camaraderie. Just after dark someone who had wandered onto the lanai called out: "Come look at the volcano!" So Bill grabbed our large binoculars and we all poured out to take turns looking at the red glow in the distance. With the naked eye there was a pink patch where red light was reflected on clouds. With the binoculars we could see a long line of bright lava that must have been streaming west or northwest along the slope of Pu'u O'o. What a great day-after-Christmas present from our friendly neighborhood volcano! I checked the USGS site http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html this morning but they haven't put up a posting for today yet. However, they do have some neat pictures from Christmas Eve Day showing spattering inside the crater as well as some Pele's Hair coated with sulfur. Pete, if you haven't done so already, you should check that site the next time you're preparing to do a presentation on "Volcanoes," because they have a lot of neat stuff there in addition to continuous updates on Kilauea. They have a section called "Other Volcanoes," as well as an excellent Photo Glossary of volcanic terms. You might be able to copy off pictures and get them converted to slides for your show, or better yet, see if you can find a school or library that has a digital projector you can use (or maybe the Science Discover Center has one?). You just hook the thing up to a computer and it will project onto the wall or movie screen whatever is on your monitor. You could prepare a program using photos you could scan from prints or slides, or download from a digital camera or from the USGS site; administer a little graphics software and you'd have a snazzy presentation! If you have trouble figuring out how to do that, go to the local middle school and ask the principal to recommend a kid who's into computers; it'll probably be a 7th or 8th grader who is more computer literate than any of the teachers! After Christmas Eve dinner with family here, we turned off the regular lights and turned on the UV lamps in our two fluorescent cabinets (one LW, one SW) and sang "Silent Night" by rock-glow---the sizeable number of Franklin minerals providing plentiful red and green appropriate for the season! Henry Barwood and his family arrived yesterday and called us from their hotel here in Hilo. We will get together sometime this week, and Bill will try to arrange a trip to the telescopes on Mauna Kea. We look forward to once again meeting in person a member of this List! Bill and I send our best wishes for peace in the new year, and the spirit of Aloha to List members the world over. Kitty At 04:59 AM 12/27/2003, you wrote: >Hi, and hello and happy week-after-Christmas to everyone on the Rockhounds >list! > >Is the Rockhounds list really working this week? It seems like I haven't >received any messages from the list at all, since before Christmas. Does >this just mean everyone is spending quiet holiday time with their >families, and not doing anything connected with rocks?? (I just checked >my deleted mail file, I see there was one message on the 26th and a couple >of Xmas day, so I guess the list is working!) > >Well let's see if I can add anything about rocks. Were there any rocks in >my Christmas? One little present I received (Jane and I give each other a >lot of little sometimes-silly things we pick up over the course of the >year) was a slab (suitable for using as a coaster) of sort-of-unakite, it >looks like an interesting-textured, pink to greenish, porphyritic volcanic >rock, with one large patch of green epidote. I told her I have collected >the metarhyolite from South Mountain (southeastern PA) that has a somewhat >similar mottled pink-and-green texture with epidote, and that is sometimes >refered to as unakite. It differs from "true" unakite, which is a type of >granite with pink feldspar and green epidote. > >And here's a note especially for Kitty & Bill, this afternoon I'll be >giving a science presentation, slide show and "show and tell" display of >rock samples, on "Volcanoes" at a Science Discovery Center in Fort >Collins, CO. I've gotten out a selection of slides from Kilauea Volcano >that I took on my visits there during eruptions in the late 1970's (a time >while the volcano was actually fairly quiet most of the not--not like the >long-continued eruptions since). > >Our weather in Denver has been fairly cold but fair; clear and sunny >mostly, down around 20 at night but up in the 40's during the day. Though >we've been having severe snowstorms in the mountains and western Colorado, >here in Denver there's only a touch of snow left in the shady areas on the >ground, and no fresh snow since a week ago. On Christmas morning I had a >very good look at the bright International Space Station as it passed over >here before dawn, at about 5:50 a.m. > >Best wishes for a good (coming) New Year to all, >Pete Modreski, Denver CO > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 27 18:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 27 18:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wonder what all the rockhounds are doing? References: <002e01c3cc8a$12e11580$5da4490c@pete> Message-ID: <3FEE46BF.7D48@Tomaszewski.net> Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Is the Rockhounds list really working this week? It seems like I haven't received any messages from the list at all, since before Christmas. Does this just mean everyone is spending quiet holiday time with their families, and not doing anything connected with rocks?? (I Hi Pete! Its been a mixed quiet and busy week with family and friends (and my daughter's birthday on the 26th), but I did get in some rockhounding activity. On a couple of the other lists I participate in we arranged a Christmas Trade, so I had two boxes of rocks under my tree (and boxes I sent were under other member's trees). I've been quietly labeling and cataloging a couple dozen fun new specimens from places I've never been to. > > Our weather in Denver has been fairly cold but fair; clear and sunny We had enough snow overnight to wake up to a 'white christmas' that morning in West Michigan, but its warmed up from mostly sunny and any snow not in perpetual shade has melted -- and most of that is gone too. > > Best wishes for a good (coming) New Year to all, > Pete Modreski, Denver CO > Peace be with you this holiday season and throughout the coming year. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Dec 27 19:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Dec 27 19:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wonder what all the rockhounds are doing? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031227075849.00a49670@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <004501c3ccee$d3a9a8e0$19a5490c@pete> Hi Kitty, Thanks for you nice reply mesage. It must be great, watching the glow in the sky from Kilauea, and even being able to see the lava! My presentation at the science center went, I think, very well, and my slide show included a lot of photos from Hawaii, and got appropriate good reactions from the crowd--some my own photos, some from the Park Service. The eruption I was there for, of which I particularly showed slides, was in, let's see, I'd have to check my notes or slides, it was around 1977 or 1978, give or take a year; there was a fairly shortlived (a few weeks to a month or so at most) eruption that produced a quite large cinder/spatter cone, which was named Puu Kia'i; something that has been quite overshadowed by the longer-lived eruptions of subsequent years; and a lava river that did not get all the way to the coast. It was very impressive eruption at the time! I also brought, for my presentation, a fair array of volcanic rock samples, from Hawaii and various of the western states, including Colorado. Some of my "fun" photos from Hawaii were of gobs of lava spatter, caught in tree branches. I also had some pictures of Mauna Loa, and extolled the size and virtue of Hawaii's volcanoes, how the mountains are almost as tall as our "fourteeners" in Colorado. I'll have to look at the USGS website to see their current volcano pictures. Do you know, I think I am technologically a bit behind the times, I've never yet actually given a powerpoint presentation with digital projection technology. Actually, I've been the chairperson for a weekly seminar program we have at the USGS, and I arrange for and run the presentations, which are all done digitally, and which we also make available over the internet, form a website to which I transfer the powerpoint slide show. But, I'm never actually given such a talk myself yet; I have a big (huge?) collection of geologic photos, all 35mm slides, and I've always still used "conventional" slide projectors for my talks. An amusing thing today in Fort Collins--as we were setting up, one little kid came up and asked "what is this", looking at the slide projector--I'm sure he'd never seen one before--I guess they will be getting as archaic as typewriters, or... (you name something else that's being or has been, replaced). For the last year or two, I still take mostly 35mm slides with a conventional SLR camera, but I when get them developed I also get a CD with digital copies of the images, so they are all set for me to use on the web & internet, etc. I don't have a personal digital camera yet, but we have one at the office that I borrow & use periodically. This Christmas Eve glowing UV evening show sounds great! And, please say hello to Henry Barwood for me, when you see him. I run into Henry off and on at the (Tucson) mineral shows, and correspond with him by email off and on too. [Well, I guess this turned into mostly a letter to Kitty, but I've still posted it to Rockhounds, so perhaps any of what's here may be of some interest or amusement to anyone else too!] best regards to all, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 09:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Christine and Sven) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello and request for help finding gold detecting sites in Nevada Message-ID: Hello, I have just joined the group. My name is Sven and I live in Portland, Oregon. My professional career started as a geologist. It eventually evolved into civil engineering with a focus on hydraulic engineering. Employment with the FHWA provides opportunities for travel to Washington, Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Nevada. I manage to find interesting rock shops tucked away in nearly all my project areas. It is tough getting those specimens through airport security. A love of prospecting and rock collecting allows me to reconnect with and exercise the geologist side. My current collecting interests are sulfides and zeolites. My primary interest in joining the group is to solicit information about gold nugget and specimen detecting sites in Nevada. I have reviewed Johnson (1973), Vanderburg (1936), and numerous references available on the Nevada Bureau of Mines mining districts file index. I have identified possible prospecting areas in the Island Mountain, Van Duzer, Sawtooth, Dutch Flat, Buckskin, Yerington, Rawhide, Ione, Round Mountain, Antelope, Placerites, Seven Troughs, Spring Valley, and Osceloa mining districts, and have obtained topographic and MT plat information. My next step will be identifying the unpatented claims. As you all know this will take some time. Does anyone have experience with gold prospecting in these areas? Are there better areas? Are there any areas open to recreational prospecting that have not been pounded to death? Nevada is a big state with lots of great geology. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I recently joined the Geological Society of Nevada in hopes of expanding my knowledge and contact base. Does anyone know of a particular contact with that group? Thanks, Sven From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 09:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072632201_652801@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 09:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <12c.38952159.2d206fa2@aol.com> I'd like to respectfully request the moderator to do something about this. Recently I've seen this on a number of lists I belong to . Of course it's an effort to block spam but if every one of us did this the system would break down. I suggest the sender has a choice, to belong to a list OR to block everything but registered users. I don't think it's fair for people to expect everyone to register, besides, maybe this one is not totally legit and is a means to collect valid addresses. I'm not going to click on it to find out. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:24:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, willows@rose.net writes: To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. _______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 09:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072633271_653407@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 09:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <20031228175057.ITSD14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> So who are you? TAM > > From: > Date: 2003/12/28 Sun PM 12:23:21 EST > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 09:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:01:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:01:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends In-Reply-To: <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> References: <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031228095926.01dbae20@mail.spiritone.com> Technology in the hands of children...like giving matches to a pyromaniac...sigh... At 09:51 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote: >To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on >my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my >"Friends List". >If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this >message so that I may receive your original e-mail. > Thank you. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072634470_654094@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031228095926.01dbae20@mail.spiritone.com> References: <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031228082337.02381230@mail.aloha.net> We have received this "Friends List" message three times this morning. How many more times will it come? Every time anyone sends anything to the list? If so, please remove yourself from the list, willow@rose! Aloha, Kitty At 08:00 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote: >Technology in the hands of children...like giving matches to a >pyromaniac...sigh... > >At 09:51 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote: >>To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on >>my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my >>"Friends List". >>If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this >>message so that I may receive your original e-mail. >> Thank you. > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com >CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD >Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary >Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers >Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale >Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends (PLEASE READ) In-Reply-To: <12c.38952159.2d206fa2@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi all on the rockhounds list, We will continue to see these "bounced" mails from this person until Aaron can work with this person to get the Rockhounds e-mail address registered with that person's mail server. None of us list members need to register with that person. That automatic e-mail is coming from the person's mail server and it is referring to the Rockhounds e-mail address, not our e-mail addresses (unless you personally send an e-mail directly to that person). Regards, Bob Loeffler -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:41 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends I'd like to respectfully request the moderator to do something about this. Recently I've seen this on a number of lists I belong to . Of course it's an effort to block spam but if every one of us did this the system would break down. I suggest the sender has a choice, to belong to a list OR to block everything but registered users. I don't think it's fair for people to expect everyone to register, besides, maybe this one is not totally legit and is a means to collect valid addresses. I'm not going to click on it to find out. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:24:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, willows@rose.net writes: To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. _______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:09:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:09:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072634901_654362@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:09:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rollins) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:09:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends References: <12c.38952159.2d206fa2@aol.com> Message-ID: <028701c3cd86$aaa72ba0$210211ac@willows> Your reply did allow your message to get through to me. Blocking alone did not stop the hundreds daily of unwanted e-mail - = such as from mortgage lenders, money scams and porn salespersons. =20 We're now trying a spamblocker at our webserver. However, it also = checks &/or stops good mail from new 'friends' and from lists such as = this one (because of the multiple recipients, I suppose).=20 To be dropped from a list because of the request for a reply means the = spammers win again. (Rockhounds is on our Friends list, but not the = individual members.)=20 Is there a better way to stop spam and to remain on lists at the same = time? L. Rollins =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FOSSILNUT@aol.com=20 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends I'd like to respectfully request the moderator to do something about = this.=20 Recently I've seen this on a number of lists I belong to . Of course = it's an=20 effort to block spam but if every one of us did this the system would = break down.=20 I suggest the sender has a choice, to belong to a list OR to block = everything=20 but registered users. I don't think it's fair for people to expect = everyone=20 to register, besides, maybe this one is not totally legit and is a = means to=20 collect valid addresses. I'm not going to click on it to find out. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:24:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 willows@rose.net writes: To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those = on my=20 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my = "Friends List".=20 =20 If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this = message=20 so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. _______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rocks4u) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends References: <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20031228082337.02381230@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <006901c3cd72$245baee0$366b1e43@cnq3yak2e45rug> Hey! It's most likely a e-mail address harvester! Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends > We have received this "Friends List" message three times this morning. How > many more times will it come? Every time anyone sends anything to the > list? If so, please remove yourself from the list, willow@rose! > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:36:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:36:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072636519_655101@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello and request for help finding gold detecting sites in Nevada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7BB64E22-3965-11D8-B260-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Sven, Welcome to the Rockhounds list and the Northwest. I can't help with your specific question about gold in Nevada, but I noticed you listed zeolites and sulfides as interests. You are probably aware of the fact that Portland is in the center of much of the best zeolite collecting in the world. There are a few guidebooks out on zeolites of the region, but there are even better resources available -- the many knowledgeable collectors of the area. There are two groups of mineral collectors, the Pacific Northwest Chapter of Friends of Mineralogy and the Northwest Micro Mineral Study Group. Contact Aaron Wieting (in Portland) about FM (pdxpounder@hotmail.com). Contact Dr. Don Howard about the NMMSG (pogoette@hei.net). FM has a mineral symposium the end of each September, the last three have been at Kelso, don't know where the 2004 symposium will be. NMMSG (which is about minerals, not just micro minerals) is loaded with experts on localities in Oregon and Washington) has two meetings -- May and November. Also, one of the world's most knowledgeable zeolite mineralogists is a curator at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals a little west of Portland -- Rudy Tschernich (tschernich@msn.com). Rudy can tell you all you want to know about every NW zeolite locality. Regards, Lanny On Sunday, December 28, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Christine and Sven wrote: > Hello, > > I have just joined the group. My name is Sven and I live in Portland, > Oregon. My professional career started as a geologist. It eventually > evolved into civil engineering with a focus on hydraulic engineering. > Employment with the FHWA provides opportunities for travel to > Washington, > Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Nevada. I manage to find > interesting > rock shops tucked away in nearly all my project areas. It is tough > getting > those specimens through airport security. > > A love of prospecting and rock collecting allows me to reconnect with > and > exercise the geologist side. My current collecting interests are > sulfides > and zeolites. My primary interest in joining the group is to solicit > information about gold nugget and specimen detecting sites in Nevada. > I > have reviewed Johnson (1973), Vanderburg (1936), and numerous > references > available on the Nevada Bureau of Mines mining districts file index. > I have > identified possible prospecting areas in the Island Mountain, Van > Duzer, > Sawtooth, Dutch Flat, Buckskin, Yerington, Rawhide, Ione, Round > Mountain, > Antelope, Placerites, Seven Troughs, Spring Valley, and Osceloa mining > districts, and have obtained topographic and MT plat information. My > next > step will be identifying the unpatented claims. As you all know this > will > take some time. Does anyone have experience with gold prospecting in > these > areas? Are there better areas? Are there any areas open to > recreational > prospecting that have not been pounded to death? Nevada is a big > state with > lots of great geology. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > I recently joined the Geological Society of Nevada in hopes of > expanding my > knowledge and contact base. Does anyone know of a particular contact > with > that group? > > Thanks, > Sven > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:44:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:44:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072636994_655287@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:46:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:46:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends References: <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> <1072633872_653745@mail.rose.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20031228082337.02381230@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <052001c3cd72$be422e80$9fcb94d1@remains> that's the Christmas spirit!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends > We have received this "Friends List" message three times this morning. How > many more times will it come? Every time anyone sends anything to the > list? If so, please remove yourself from the list, willow@rose! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 08:00 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote: > > >Technology in the hands of children...like giving matches to a > >pyromaniac...sigh... > > > >At 09:51 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote: > >>To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on > >>my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my > >>"Friends List". > >>If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this > >>message so that I may receive your original e-mail. > >> Thank you. > > > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > >CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > >Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > >Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > >Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > >Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 10:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072637173_655378@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 11:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Sun Dec 28 11:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends In-Reply-To: <1072632201_652801@mail.rose.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20031228140848.00bf7aa8@pop.megalink.net> At 12:23 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: >To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on >my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my >"Friends List". >If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this >message so that I may receive your original e-mail. > Thank you. Hello, My name is Duane, and together with my wife Nancy we are interested in rocks, minerals, fluorescents, fossils etc. A few years back we did an article for Min. Rcord on the Sanford, Maine vesuvianite deposit.... have another coming up on pseudomorphs which I will be asking the list for help on shortly... with best wishes, Duane. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 11:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 11:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072638738_656052@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 11:44:30 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 11:44:30 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1df.166d7975.2d208c0c@aol.com> JUST CURIOUS.,, Is this the reason tha sometimes I get e mail post from the list and sometimes it seems that it is inactive with no posts? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 11:45:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 11:45:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072640690_656917@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:02:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:02:00 2003 Subject: Please stop these messages Re: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <27.4e541d6e.2d209090@aol.com> In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:45:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, Paintricks@aol.com writes: JUST CURIOUS.,, Is this the reason tha sometimes I get e mail post from the list and sometimes it seems that it is inactive with no posts? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072641731_657339@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hiddenite Message-ID: <009f01c3cd80$367d5fc0$53e31843@uswest.net> Did anyone see the newspaper report along with photo of Hiddenite, NC, = man Jamie Hill, who on Dec. 10 dug up an emerald that could be the = largest found in North America. The photo shows a humdinger weighing = estimated 1,861 carats with typical beryl shape and knockout blue green = color. He wants to sell the stone at auction saying it will bring from = 2 to 5 million. Danny Steward / Seattle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072642518_657705@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hiddenite In-Reply-To: <009f01c3cd80$367d5fc0$53e31843@uswest.net> References: <009f01c3cd80$367d5fc0$53e31843@uswest.net> Message-ID: <46834963-3974-11D8-9915-000393A96092@mac.com> a fella meeting that description was on a rockhound list some months ago claiming he had one of those but wouldnt post photos maybe the same guy ~KM On Dec 28, 2003, at 12:21 PM, DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD wrote: > Did anyone see the newspaper report along with photo of Hiddenite, NC, > man Jamie Hill, who on Dec. 10 dug up an emerald that could be the > largest found in North America. The photo shows a humdinger weighing > estimated 1,861 carats with typical beryl shape and knockout blue > green color. He wants to sell the stone at auction saying it will > bring from 2 to 5 million. > Windows (WIHN-doze), n. - A 32-bit extension and graphical shell to a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit processor built by a 2-bit company that couldn't stand 1-bit of competition. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072643296_658033@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends In-Reply-To: <1df.166d7975.2d208c0c@aol.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... it's possible, but I doubt it. Some days this list is very busy; other days there are no messages (or at least very few). Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paintricks@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:42 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends JUST CURIOUS.,, Is this the reason tha sometimes I get e mail post from the list and sometimes it seems that it is inactive with no posts? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 12:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072645096_659047@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 13:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends In-Reply-To: <1df.166d7975.2d208c0c@aol.com> Message-ID: Is what the reason? You don't get messages sometimes because no one is writing messages is my guess. Like most low volume lists message traffic is episodic. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > JUST CURIOUS.,, > Is this the reason tha sometimes I get e mail post from the list and > sometimes it seems that it is inactive with no posts? > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 13:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072645517_659289@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 13:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends References: <4.3.1.0.20031228140848.00bf7aa8@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <014501c3cd85$973233e0$5c8ee342@bay.chartermi.net> Pseudomorphs would be a very interesting topic. If you could put together a list of pseudos and locations somewhere on a web page, I would be happy to take a look at it and give some feedback about additional ones that I have specimens of. Of course, the list might get pretty darn large but we might learn a lot. Regards, Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends > At 12:23 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on > >my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my > >"Friends List". > >If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this > >message so that I may receive your original e-mail. > > Thank you. > > Hello, > My name is Duane, and together with my wife Nancy we are > interested in rocks, minerals, fluorescents, fossils etc. A few years back > we did an article for Min. Rcord on the Sanford, Maine vesuvianite > deposit.... have another coming up on pseudomorphs which I will be asking > the list for help on shortly... with best wishes, Duane. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 13:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends Message-ID: <1072646179_659618@mail.rose.net> To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message so that I may receive your original e-mail. Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 13:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' Message-ID: I've removed the offender until he can figure out his own damn software. Aaron, who's stuck in SoCAl with the flu and has little patience. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 13:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' References: Message-ID: <005901c3cd78$0cec7ae0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks Aaron. That was getting old. Hope you feel better soon. John Under 8 new inches of snow in Santa, ID > I've removed the offender until he can figure out his own damn software. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 14:35:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Sun Dec 28 14:35:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' Message-ID: Aaron: It is seldom I post, inasmuch as I seldom have much to say. But I wanted to take this occasion to thank you for your patient, consistent, low key, and just downright admirable management of this list. When nuisances happen, that is the time to say thank you. You are very much appreciated. Cheers & good revovery Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 14:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Dec 28 14:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031228145504.01e96ec0@mail.spiritone.com> BRAVO!!!!!!!!!! At 01:20 PM 12/28/2003, you wrote: >I've removed the offender until he can figure out his own damn software. > >Aaron, who's stuck in SoCAl with the flu and has little patience. > > >-- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 15:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Dec 28 15:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031228134237.009e8e10@mail.aloha.net> Many thanks, Aaron! Hope you get better soon, in fact, in time to enjoy a happy New Year's. Aloha, Kitty At 11:20 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote: >I've removed the offender until he can figure out his own damn software. > >Aaron, who's stuck in SoCAl with the flu and has little patience. > > >-- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 16:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 28 16:51:00 2003 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends References: <12c.38952159.2d206fa2@aol.com> <028701c3cd86$aaa72ba0$210211ac@willows> Message-ID: <3FEF7A6D.5F12@Tomaszewski.net> You might teach your software to look at all the headers and recognize the easily identified list as the sender. Example full headers follow... Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:35:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) by indefatigable.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.43) id NAA04133 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBSI9GDl014563; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:09:16 -0800 Received: from mail.rose.net (mail.rose.net [64.39.128.19]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBSI8nDl014301 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:08:49 -0800 Received: from willows (unverified [172.17.2.33]) by mail.rose.net (Sendmail 1.0) with ESMTP id 32633642 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <028701c3cd86$aaa72ba0$210211ac@willows> From: "Rollins" To: References: <12c.38952159.2d206fa2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:07:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:07:55 -0800 X-JunkMail: NotJunk X-MFData: [1.000000 v1.0 n403 s6368 g25947 b25916 p0.000598 sN5 t7,27353] X-UIDL: 155429 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Rollins wrote: > > Your reply did allow your message to get through to me. > Blocking alone did not stop the hundreds daily of unwanted e-mail - such as from mortgage lenders, money scams and porn salespersons. > We're now trying a spamblocker at our webserver. However, it also checks &/or stops good mail from new 'friends' and from lists such as this one (because of the multiple recipients, I suppose). > To be dropped from a list because of the request for a reply means the spammers win again. (Rockhounds is on our Friends list, but not the individual members.) > Is there a better way to stop spam and to remain on lists at the same time? > L. Rollins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FOSSILNUT@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends > > I'd like to respectfully request the moderator to do something about this. > Recently I've seen this on a number of lists I belong to . Of course it's an > effort to block spam but if every one of us did this the system would break down. > I suggest the sender has a choice, to belong to a list OR to block everything > but registered users. I don't think it's fair for people to expect everyone > to register, besides, maybe this one is not totally legit and is a means to > collect valid addresses. I'm not going to click on it to find out. > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > > In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:24:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > willows@rose.net writes: > To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on my > 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my "Friends List". > > If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this message > so that I may receive your original e-mail. > Thank you. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 17:27:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Conroy) Date: Sun Dec 28 17:27:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: psuedomorphs and Mineralogical Records (ad) References: <4.3.1.0.20031228140848.00bf7aa8@pop.megalink.net> <014501c3cd85$973233e0$5c8ee342@bay.chartermi.net> Message-ID: <002001c3cdab$33d366e0$2e8c4a0c@kcmins> Hi! As it turns out I happen to have some pretty good psuedos on ebay right now. They're well worth a look as they're worth a LOT more than the opening bids that I've set. If you want to see them go here: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/kcmins/ Also, as Keith alluded to, there are loads of psuedos and locales for them. If there is an interest for Missouri or Tsumeb stuff (my loves and specialties) I would be glad to help as much as possible. All the best, Kevin website: www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Q. Hayes" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends > Pseudomorphs would be a very interesting topic. If you could put together a > list of pseudos and locations somewhere on a web page, I would be happy to > take a look at it and give some feedback about additional ones that I have > specimens of. Of course, the list might get pretty darn large but we might > learn a lot. > > Regards, > > Keith Q. Hayes > KQ's Minerals > kqhayes@chartermi.net > www.kqminerals.com > 3705 Fuller Drive > Midland, MI 48642 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Friends > > > > At 12:23 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >To block spam from my incoming e-mail, I allow e-mail only from those on > > >my 'friends' list. At this time, your e-mail address is not on my > > >"Friends List". > > >If you are a person with a legitimate message, please respond to this > > >message so that I may receive your original e-mail. > > > Thank you. > > > > Hello, > > My name is Duane, and together with my wife Nancy we are > > interested in rocks, minerals, fluorescents, fossils etc. A few years back > > we did an article for Min. Rcord on the Sanford, Maine vesuvianite > > deposit.... have another coming up on pseudomorphs which I will be asking > > the list for help on shortly... with best wishes, Duane. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 18:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 18:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' Message-ID: <1cc.16c1b0f9.2d20eec2@aol.com> Aaron take plenty of rocks, get some sleep, and write us in the morning. Gene Hartstein In a message dated 12/28/2003 6:23:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, kahako@aloha.net writes: Aaron, who's stuck in SoCAl with the flu and has little patience --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Dec 28 18:44:17 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 18:44:17 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hiddenite Message-ID: <7d.43c08142.2d20eec6@aol.com> I'd bet he'd get a few thousand folks to pay a few bucks just to hold it :-) Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 12/28/2003 5:35:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, posterdoctor@msn.com writes: Did anyone see the newspaper report along with photo of Hiddenite, NC, man Jamie Hill, who on Dec. 10 dug up an emerald that could be the largest found in North America. The photo shows a humdinger weighing estimated 1,861 carats with typical beryl shape and knockout blue green color. He wants to sell the stone at auction saying it will bring from 2 to 5 million. Danny Steward / Seattle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Dec 29 09:29:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Dec 29 09:29:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031229172822.691E2EA8A5E@delivery.infowest.com> Thank you, Aaron. And get well quick! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Fox Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:21 PM To: Rockhounds mailing list Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Sorry about the 'bounces' I've removed the offender until he can figure out his own damn software. Aaron, who's stuck in SoCAl with the flu and has little patience. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 30 03:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Tue Dec 30 03:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Allchar, Chalkidiki etc Message-ID: <001b01c3ceca$c4b0c2a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all, Is there someone here who can give me recent information on localities = in Macedonia, Serbia-Kosovo-Montenegro and the north of Greece? ergo: Allchar, Chalkidiki etc I already have googled lots of documents, pics and (mining)info and have some articles here, but none recent... Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 30 10:20:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:20:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tectonic Quartz Message-ID: <1d5.177cd134.2d231b91@aol.com> Can anyone supply more information on "Tectonic Quartz" possibly from Russia? I've heard it may also be called "Tektonic" or "Oracle Quartz". It is a very unusual crystal as it looks like it has many blades, shapes and sizes all adhered together. Does it have a proper name? Exactly where is it found? Thank you Tim McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 30 11:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tectonic Quartz References: <1d5.177cd134.2d231b91@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FF1CF3F.349F@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Can anyone supply more information on "Tectonic Quartz" possibly from Russia? > I've heard it may also be called "Tektonic" or "Oracle Quartz". It is a very > unusual crystal as it looks like it has many blades, shapes and sizes all > adhered together. > Does it have a proper name? Exactly where is it found? Thank you Tim > McGinnis > 'Tectonic' or 'Oracle' quartz are made up marketing terms. From your description you could be talking about a beta cluster, a gwindel, a jackstraw cluster, or a number of other forms. Can you post a picture? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 30 12:34:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:34:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Older mineralogical books online Message-ID: <009201c3cf14$36dcc740$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all ! I'm uploading pictures of older mineralogical books to my website: = http://www.strahlen.org/ Click on 'books' in the left pane then just click on the cover of a book or a century above to see the contents of the book... Have fun ! Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Dec 30 14:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Older mineralogical books online Message-ID: <123020032241.7681.7182@att.net> Hi Frank, A nice job on your website! The "old books" shelf is well done. That's a very good slide show that comes up when you log in. You know, mines around the world look a great deal alike--many of the underground and surface photos, remind me a lot of ones here in the U.S. The picture of fluorite in a vug at Berbes, Spain, looked very like what one would see at the Blanchard mine, in New Mexico. Of course, the picture of climbers on the "Parrotspitze" (if I spelled that right), is probably not equalled here! Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > Hi all ! > > I'm uploading pictures of older mineralogical books to my website: > http://www.strahlen.org/ > > Click on 'books' in the left pane > then just click on the cover of a book or a century above > to see the contents of the book... > > Have fun ! > > Cheers! > Frank > http://www.strahlen.org/ > http://www.untertage.com/ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 31 07:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Dec 31 07:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Older mineralogical books online Message-ID: <1e3.169faa7f.2d2448d8@aol.com> Frank: I felt the need to comment too, very nice slide show!!!! -Ron http://www.hammerron.com/minerals In a message dated 12/30/2003 3:34:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, frankdewit@home.nl writes: Hi all ! I'm uploading pictures of older mineralogical books to my website: http://www.strahlen.org/ Click on 'books' in the left pane then just click on the cover of a book or a century above to see the contents of the book... Have fun ! Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 31 09:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Wed Dec 31 09:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: How to display collections Message-ID: <008f01c3cfc3$bc81c760$6b4e5d3f@t5k8i6> Hello All, Anyone have some suggestions I can forward to this person? Thanks! > Dear Richard, > > My 11 year old son has been collecting since he was small and I need a way > to display the specimens. Can you refer me to a supplier, or can I learn > without any woodworking skills? How about lighting to enhance the color and > brilliance of the minerals? > > Thanks, > > Camille > > _________________________________________________________________ > Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 31 10:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: How to display collections References: <008f01c3cfc3$bc81c760$6b4e5d3f@t5k8i6> Message-ID: <3FF31AE0.5C08@Tomaszewski.net> We would all love to have lighted, wood and glass, fine cabinets to display our collections in. And a couple extra rooms in the house to hold them. But bookshelves are more common. Add a half deep shelf at the back of each shelf, 4-6" up, so the back half of your display can be two tall. Setting a board on a couple bricks (on each shelf) works, but you can probably think of something that looks better. And if your existing bookcase shelves are a little deep, you can line rocks up in front of the books instead of devoting the entire bookcase to just rocks; you get used to moving rocks to get books out -- just leave an empty space on every other shelf or so. Another space saving solution is to use the space behind doors that are normally open. Build a 2 - 4 inch deep shelf unit (or buy 'shadow boxes') that hangs on the wall behind an open door (8-12 30" shelves). Close the door for viewing. And add a doorstop so the shelf is not banged by opening the door. One last obvious point, take time to label your specimens (name and locality at a minimum) so others can identify them. Kreigh Richard@Mineral of the Month Club wrote: > > Hello All, > > Anyone have some suggestions I can forward to this person? Thanks! > > > Dear Richard, > > > > My 11 year old son has been collecting since he was small and I need a way > > to display the specimens. Can you refer me to a supplier, or can I learn > > without any woodworking skills? How about lighting to enhance the color > and > > brilliance of the minerals? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Camille > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 31 11:36:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:36:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: How to display collections References: <008f01c3cfc3$bc81c760$6b4e5d3f@t5k8i6> Message-ID: <001001c3cfd2$15e64480$2f5204d0@jim> A couple of suggestions: Check used furniture stores, garage sales, Salvation Army, etc. for bookcases. The best, if you can find them, are "lawyer bookcases". These are the ones with glass doors that swing up to open. There are fluorescent fixtures available in most hardware stores that can be installed fairly easily. Also, check drugstores, discount stores, etc. for obsolete wristwatch display cases- the ones that stand on the counter. These are often already lighted. I use a couple of them to display thumbnails. Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard@Mineral of the Month Club" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: How to display collections > Hello All, > > Anyone have some suggestions I can forward to this person? Thanks! > > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > My 11 year old son has been collecting since he was small and I need a way > > to display the specimens. Can you refer me to a supplier, or can I learn > > without any woodworking skills? How about lighting to enhance the color > and > > brilliance of the minerals? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Camille > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! > > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 31 11:40:15 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:40:15 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: How to display collections Message-ID: <10f.2a8e3d62.2d247fdb@aol.com> Richard: If you want to be in touch with a cabinet maker who is experienced with mineral displays you could try Steve Reutlinger at http://members.aol.com/sjrprime/mmdhome.html If you want a suggestion for a 'fairly inexpensive' solution, how about a ten gallon aquarium. If you have the opportunity to see a used one at a tag sale or fleamarket, you may be able to get one for very little money, and they ofter have light fixtures made to fit the tank. -Ron http://www.hammerron.com/minerals In a message dated 12/31/2003 12:23:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, richard@mineralofthemonthclub.org writes: Hello All, Anyone have some suggestions I can forward to this person? Thanks! > Dear Richard, > > My 11 year old son has been collecting since he was small and I need a way > to display the specimens. Can you refer me to a supplier, or can I learn > without any woodworking skills? How about lighting to enhance the color and > brilliance of the minerals? > > Thanks, > > Camille > > _________________________________________________________________ > Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Dec 31 14:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Faceter01) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] How to display collections Message-ID: About display cases, If I remember correctly, I believe it was Tim Jokela, who some years ago = told me not to use Oak to build a display case, it is corrosive to = minerals over time. Correct me if I'm wrong Tim. Also, as I remember reading somewhere, don't display Pyrite with other = minerals behind a glass covered display case without it being enclosed = in it's own display box. Over time, as the pyrite breaks down, the = sulphuric acid will coat the other minerals. But again, correct me if = I'm wrong. Finally, go to John Betts site for some great info on displaying = minerals and other fine articles. http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles.htm -Ron --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---