From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 1 06:55:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Jan 1 06:55:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: Message-ID: <3E130214.D27844C9@att.net> [banging self on head] Yes, that seems to be a better alternative for sure. I had always wondered, though, if that was enough for truly water-hungry minerals. Some people believe in oil immersion, or even immersion in the briny solution from whence the hanksite came, as a way to remove all doubt. The LabMart catalog has a small passive chamber and professional dessicant for sale. For somewhat more money, you can get an electric dessicant chamber. I am going to get the small one with dessicant, and put one of my hanksites in there (I have 4). We'll see how it goes! Don J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Why not store them above a bed of silica gel or molecular sieve desiccant? > > Bryan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 1 08:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jan 1 08:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: Message-ID: <001c01c2b1b0$901ee720$709e77d5@pandora.be> Because (I'm not sure if hanksite is one of those) some minerals can decay when they loose water too. E.i., opal will keep it's color play in a "normal" atmospheric humidity for a long time but if you put it on a bed of silica gel in a closed airtight container it will dry out fast. The dehydration is reversible but the water that travels through the opal (from the inside out) may irreversibly carry gels like iron hydroxide outwards, thereby staining a gem quality stone permanently or (partly) quenching fluorescence of a non-precious opal. While opal as no crystal water, the water is enclosed in the space between the micro-spheres of SiO2, other minerals have and some loose it quite easily... think of the meta-urano- thingies, zeolites,........ Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity | Why not store them above a bed of silica gel or molecular sieve desiccant? | | Bryan | | "Si vis pacem para bellum" | | > Anyone else have observations on deliquescing minerals? | > | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 1 08:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jan 1 08:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity Message-ID: <10e.1c6f6b4d.2b446c7b@aol.com> In a laboratory we would keep something that needs to stay dry in a dessicant chamber with dried silica gel in the bottom. No enclosure is "perfectly" tight and so the gel needs to be regenerated periodically (measured in years for a reasonably tight container). The improtant thing is that you need both a tight container, and a dessicant that is more attracted to water vapor than the material you want to protect. In the case of silica gel you can maintain a humidity inside the chamber that would match the driest desert. Immersion in oil will not protect a deliquescent material forever because the oil will contain moisture in equilibrium with the atmosphere above it. All the oil does is to slow down the transport of water into the crystals. Think of it as a really thick coating of oil, nothing more. Immersion is a saturated solution of the same ion will not prevent the dissolution and recrystallization of the crystals over time. In a saturated solution the crystals don't stop dissolving, they just recryatallize at the same rate that they dissolve. Unfortunately, you have little control over where they crystallize... which might be on the sides of the container. Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 1 15:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Jan 1 15:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: <10e.1c6f6b4d.2b446c7b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E137873.130E5559@att.net> LabMart sells a nice dessicating chamber and some dessicant that absorbs 107% of its own weight, and turns red when it is saturated. I will check that out. Don FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > > In a laboratory we would keep something that needs to stay dry in a dessicant > chamber with dried silica gel in the bottom. No enclosure is "perfectly" > tight and so the gel needs to be regenerated periodically (measured in years > for a reasonably tight container). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 1 15:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jan 1 15:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity In-Reply-To: <3E137873.130E5559@att.net> Message-ID: Well desiccators are nice but probably a bit of overkill for this application. A wide mouth jar with a good tight fitting lid would work well at a considerable savings in cost too. The material you decribe as the dessicant is just standard lab grade silica gel with a cobalt salt additive which is blue when dry and pink when not so dry. I doubt it is anymore effective than the silica gel you find in hardware stores. There are other more effective desiccants like molecular sieve but I think silica gel will work for you. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > LabMart sells a nice dessicating chamber and some dessicant that absorbs > 107% of its own weight, and turns red when it is saturated. I will > check that out. > > Don > > > FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a laboratory we would keep something that needs to stay dry > in a dessicant > > chamber with dried silica gel in the bottom. No enclosure is "perfectly" > > tight and so the gel needs to be regenerated periodically > (measured in years > > for a reasonably tight container). > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 06:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 06:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity Message-ID: <180.13d82d01.2b45a4f7@aol.com> Actually, a tight fitting (with a sealing gasket) lid on a jar with some silica gel in the bottom will work just fine. (Think Mason Jar or old peanut butter jar) Basically if it is good for storing food, it is probably good enough for your needs..... The blue pink trick is done with Cobalt Chloride. It turns pink as it gets hydrated and indication that the water absorbing power of the silica gel is used up. The silica gel can be regerated by baking in an oven. ... I used to have access to molecular sieves.... (special silica gel beads) that absorb even more effectively but I'd bet any silica gel would do.. These days I use the stuff from the craft stores made for drying flowers. If you know someone who has an industrial instrument air compressing system, odds are he has molecular sieves. They are often used to dry the air that is compressed.... (water in instrument air systems is a really bad thing). Gene In a message dated 1/1/2003 6:21:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > > > > LabMart sells a nice dessicating chamber and some dessicant that absorbs > 107% of its own weight, and turns red when it is saturated. I will > check that out. > > Don --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 07:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 07:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity Message-ID: <20030102154128.GIOG9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Gene & J. Bryan, et al., Thanks for the tip. I should have seen that one coming. I can get these wonderful airtight acrylic canisters for about $12, whereas the LabMart passive "dessicator" chambers start at $99 for the small one and go up the hundreds. Their color-changing gel isn't cheap, but I think I'll stick with it for the time being since I find the color coding very handy. I suppose their electric dessicator might be worthwhile since you don't need to monitor a dessicant chemical, but I don't have those kind of requirements (or budget). Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 08:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 08:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two questions Message-ID: <20021227222758.WPMU12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Gary, No one seems to definitively know how old the Colombian copal really is. People who sell it often promote it as being "really old, millions (10?) of years old, almost as old as most amber", but I've read elsewhere that it may be quite young, only hundreds or perhaps a few thousand, years old. P.S. best wishes for a Merry Christmas (just past) and a very happy New Year to all on the list and not on it too for that matter! Hi there Earl V., and reciprocal wishes to all who have wishes "happy holidays" online. Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 08:11:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 08:11:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] recommended fluids for contstant temp. circulating baths? Message-ID: <15e.195b0ba8.2b431fa5@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/02 6:09:17 AM, morningstar@worldnet.att.net writes: << So here is the golden question for the academics among us: is there a special fluid, besides water, that I should use? I know that the commerical baths are called constant temperature *water* baths, but in particular I'm worried about running water through the innards of the refractometer. If I should stick with water for all these uses, should I at least use distilled water, or do we need to step up to deionized? Is there a corrosion-inhibiting substance I should add to the water? >> If you are holding the temperature around 25 or 30 degrees C, then water is ideal for this. Deionized water still has some dissolved salts, so I would use the best quality distilled water available. This is probably triply distilled water. Replace it every two months or so. The water is probably cheaper than equipment repairs! Steve in Los Angeles One of those Academic Types From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 09:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 09:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two questions Message-ID: <20030102170211.YWXQ20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> I wonder why no one has done studies on the copal to determine its age. With the right equipment, shouldn't it be easy? There are enough air bubbles in there for atmospheric testing, and an entomologist should be able to date the insects. I'd also imagine C-14 testing can be done too, at least to within 50,000 years (this is the limit I've heard on C-14 dating; please correct if I'm wrong). I suppose that taking a look at the source site would help too! Or am I oversimplifying all of this? Here are some tips on dating your copal: 1. See if there is still tree bark attached to it (yes, mine has some) 2. See if the insects are still moving (not yet, but you never know!) Don > Gary, > No one seems to definitively know how old the Colombian copal really is. > People who sell it often promote it as being "really old, millions (10?) of > years old, almost as old as most amber", but I've read elsewhere that it may be > quite young, only hundreds or perhaps a few thousand, years old. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 09:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Thu Jan 2 09:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: <001c01c2b1b0$901ee720$709e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3E14737A.1DAB6517@utoronto.ca> I've just picked up the mail again and was surprised to see that this was the first message to mention the fact, albeit tenuously, that hanksite suffers on two fronts. It does indeed deteriorate in dry environments. Symptoms are increasingly thick white powder coating and a wrinkled dull surface beneath. This is one of those minerals that probably needs a unique controlled environment to preserve it for as long as possible. Liz Fodi Axel Emmermann wrote: > Because (I'm not sure if hanksite is one of those) some minerals can decay > when they loose water too. > E.i., opal will keep it's color play in a "normal" atmospheric humidity for > a long time but if you put it on a bed of silica gel in a closed airtight > container it will dry out fast. The dehydration is reversible but the water > that travels through the opal (from the inside out) may irreversibly carry > gels like iron hydroxide outwards, thereby staining a gem quality stone > permanently or (partly) quenching fluorescence of a non-precious opal. > While opal as no crystal water, the water is enclosed in the space between > the micro-spheres of SiO2, other minerals have and some loose it quite > easily... think of the meta-urano- thingies, zeolites,........ > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:21 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity > > | Why not store them above a bed of silica gel or molecular sieve desiccant? > | > | Bryan > | > | "Si vis pacem para bellum" > | > | > Anyone else have observations on deliquescing minerals? > | > > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 12:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.) Date: Thu Jan 2 12:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: <20030102154128.GIOG9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Message-ID: <002f01c2b29c$9ea8cc60$a35ce5d8@dell> A small quantity of the indicating silica gel can be mixed with a large quantity of plain silica gel to reduce the cost without losing the advantage of the color change. It also helps to have extra silica gel on hand to refill your specimen storage until you find time to regenerate the used gel. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: morningstar@att.net To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity Their color-changing gel isn't cheap, but I think I'll stick with it for the time being since I find the color coding very handy. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 12:29:24 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.) Date: Thu Jan 2 12:29:24 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copal from Columbia References: <20021227222758.WPMU12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Message-ID: <003001c2b29c$9f8aa0e0$a35ce5d8@dell> I seem to recall reading that the Colombian copal had been Carbon-14 dated as about 10,000 years old. If I can find the reference I will post it. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: pjmodreski@att.net To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two questions No one seems to definitively know how old the Colombian copal really is. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 12:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Jan 2 12:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: <001c01c2b1b0$901ee720$709e77d5@pandora.be> <3E14737A.1DAB6517@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <000d01c2b29f$f36fa680$403c88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> I also followed this discussion thread and have 2 rems: 1) Covering with a mineral oil is a good alternative. The humidity of the original specimen is kept and if put in a jar with a proper lid no additional humidity can come in or go out of the jar. I have it in a jar now for years and there is no visible degradation. For non UV freaks a good "solution". 2) I'm surprised you gentleman are still using the coulor changing silicagel. In our labs this was already banned for 5 years. The reason beeing the toxicity of the dust containing the Cobalt salts. There has been a study about its toxicity and as a result all ICI and Huntsman labs had to have it removed from their lab shelves. Of course a pitty as it was the only dryness indicator available. Regards, Paul Van hee www.minerant.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz fodi" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity > I've just picked up the mail again and was surprised to see that this was the > first message to mention the fact, albeit tenuously, that hanksite suffers on > two fronts. It does indeed deteriorate in dry environments. Symptoms are > increasingly thick white powder coating and a wrinkled dull surface beneath. > This is one of those minerals that probably needs a unique controlled > environment to preserve it for as long as possible. > > Liz Fodi > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Because (I'm not sure if hanksite is one of those) some minerals can decay > > when they loose water too. > > E.i., opal will keep it's color play in a "normal" atmospheric humidity for > > a long time but if you put it on a bed of silica gel in a closed airtight > > container it will dry out fast. The dehydration is reversible but the water > > that travels through the opal (from the inside out) may irreversibly carry > > gels like iron hydroxide outwards, thereby staining a gem quality stone > > permanently or (partly) quenching fluorescence of a non-precious opal. > > While opal as no crystal water, the water is enclosed in the space between > > the micro-spheres of SiO2, other minerals have and some loose it quite > > easily... think of the meta-urano- thingies, zeolites,........ > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:21 PM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity > > > > | Why not store them above a bed of silica gel or molecular sieve desiccant? > > | > > | Bryan > > | > > | "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > | > > | > Anyone else have observations on deliquescing minerals? > > | > > > | > > | > > | _______________________________________________ > > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > | Subscription Services: > > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 13:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 2 13:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity In-Reply-To: <180.13d82d01.2b45a4f7@aol.com> Message-ID: If anyone needs molecular sieve I can probably provide some small quantities for experimentation. We have a gallon or two in the lab that isn't being used. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > If you know someone who has an industrial instrument air > compressing system, > odds are he has molecular sieves. They are often used to dry the > air that is > compressed.... (water in instrument air systems is a really bad thing). > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 13:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 2 13:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity In-Reply-To: <002f01c2b29c$9ea8cc60$a35ce5d8@dell> Message-ID: The silica gel with and without the indicator should be exactly the same price. I don't know anything about the company that you mention, Cole Parmer sells 500 gms of either type for $29. They deal with the publc too at www.coleparmer.com. We deal with them occasionally but not for reagents but you aren't going to want to deal with major supply houses like Fisher or Aldrich. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > A small quantity of the indicating silica gel can be mixed > with a large quantity of plain silica gel to reduce the cost > without losing the advantage of the color change. It also > helps to have extra silica gel on hand to refill your > specimen storage until you find time to regenerate the used > gel. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: morningstar@att.net > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity > > Their color-changing gel isn't cheap, but I think I'll stick > with it > for the time being since I find the color coding very handy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 13:08:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 2 13:08:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity In-Reply-To: <000d01c2b29f$f36fa680$403c88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Message-ID: It is still in common use in labs here, I don't see much of a dust problem unless you are handling it a lot. We generally only regenrate it quarterly. You can get cobalt treated paper strips if you are worried about the dust. You just put the strip in the desiccant bed. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > 2) I'm surprised you gentleman are still using the coulor changing > silicagel. In our labs this was already banned for 5 years. The reason > beeing the toxicity of the dust containing the Cobalt salts. > There has been > a study about its toxicity and as a result all ICI and Huntsman > labs had to > have it removed from their lab shelves. Of course a pitty as it > was the only > dryness indicator available. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 13:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Jan 2 13:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: Message-ID: <002901c2b2a4$18cca280$403c88d9@dehtxcim3a42hi> Right, but the dust is formed each time you regenerate it. Especially if put it straight away at high temperature. Good regeneration needs a temperature program. BTW the same applies to molecular sieve. I have seen humid molecular seeve litterally explode due to an immediate drying at a tempereture of 250 Deg Celsius. Something that doesn't happen if temp programmed slowly. Especially around the water boiling point is critical. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity > It is still in common use in labs here, I don't see much of a dust problem > unless you are handling it a lot. We generally only regenrate it quarterly. > You can get cobalt treated paper strips if you are worried about the dust. > You just put the strip in the desiccant bed. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > 2) I'm surprised you gentleman are still using the coulor changing > > silicagel. In our labs this was already banned for 5 years. The reason > > beeing the toxicity of the dust containing the Cobalt salts. > > There has been > > a study about its toxicity and as a result all ICI and Huntsman > > labs had to > > have it removed from their lab shelves. Of course a pitty as it > > was the only > > dryness indicator available. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 14:10:13 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 14:10:13 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity Message-ID: <20030102220951.QNPA9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc17> LabMart sells 1 lb. for $53.00. They mentioned that it comes in a range of mesh sizes (which I don't have in front of me right now). Don > The silica gel with and without the indicator should be exactly the same > price. I don't know anything about the company that you mention, Cole Parmer > sells 500 gms of either type for $29. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 15:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 2 15:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity In-Reply-To: <20030102220951.QNPA9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc17> Message-ID: 6-15 mesh is the normal size in lab desiccators IIRC. I don't have a bottle handy. 500 grams = 1 lb approximately. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > LabMart sells 1 lb. for $53.00. They mentioned that it comes in > a range of > mesh sizes (which I don't have in front of me right now). > > Don > > > > > > The silica gel with and without the indicator should be exactly the same > > price. I don't know anything about the company that you > mention, Cole Parmer > > sells 500 gms of either type for $29. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 16:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 16:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity Message-ID: <190.13469021.2b463317@aol.com> Incidentally, if the chemical company will not sell to individuals, they will usually sell to a business or corporation such as a mineral club. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 19:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 2 19:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two question Message-ID: <192.134ca568.2b4658fa@aol.com> There have been studies done. Grimaldi (Amber Window to the Past-1996, AMNH Publications) P. 19 "...Hymenaea Copals occur in Minas Gerais, Brazil; eastern Dominican Republic; Colombia, and East Africa. Deposits from Santander, Colombia ar harvested for some especially large pieces (others in Colombia occur near Medallin and along the Magdalena River in Marquita Province). Many of these impressive pieces contain termite swarms and other insect inclusions and are sold to amateur collectors as "Pliocene amber" (about 2 million years old) even though carbon 14 dating indicates it is only several hundred years old like all other Hymenaea copal deposits...." A similar reference is found in Patty Rice's " Amber the Golden Gem of the Ages" on page 227. She cites a test on a single piece by George Poinar that found the piece was under 250 years old. I also have... somewhere ... a technical paper by Grimaldi with chemical analysis and a the results of tests on several pieces of Colombian Copal.... same general result. Unfortunately, no matter how many tests are done with this sort of result there are those who will swear that their stuff is different... yet I have never seen a reference in a technical article or book by one of the true amber authorities (Poinar, Grimaldi etc.) that claims the Colombian copal has been tested and found to be substantially older. If anyone out there has that reference I really would love to get it for my library..and would appreciate the citation so I can go get it. Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 2 19:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Thu Jan 2 19:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2002 Year End Statistics Message-ID: <000c01c2b2dc$7aa3f570$6847b6c7@rockman> Hi All, I'm back again with my annual year in review. It was another busy year = with lots of terrific activities and memories. I visited several places = this year which I found quite thrilling, the best of these was an = operating out of state mine where I was nearly 7000 feet underground = collecting crystal treasures. A return trip this year in 2003 is eagerly = anticipated! Closer to home here in Washington, I found several nice = pockets including a stellar natrolite pocket. Additionally, I made = several awesome collecting trips to Idaho opening dozens and dozens of = pockets up to 30 by 30 inches yielding beautiful specimens of pink = heulandite crystals associated with delicate hair-like mordenite = crystals. Occasionally I'd be fortunate enough to recover nearly = complete pockets, the largest of these has just finished cleaning and is = about the size of a bushel basket and weighs 65 pounds. Fun, fun, fun = galore! Not to leave my fossils treasures too far behind, I made lots = and lots of peaceful collecting trips along our Washington, Strait of = Juan de Fuca beaches. We did especially well collecting pyritized = fossils this year, a whole plethora of snails, clams and sea urchins. = Below are the compiled stats from this years forays. I hope all of you = had a safe and productive year also. Take care everyone,=20 John 2002 Years End Collecting Statistics Total Trips 43 Different Localities Visited 19 Mineral 12 Fossil 7 Most Frequented Deep Creek 16 (3rd Year In A Row) New Mineral Localities 1 Shows Visited as a Participant 5 Longest Trip 21 Days Territory Covered U.S.A. - WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, AZ, CO Happy New Year's! P.S. Tucson is just around the corner only weeks away and as always, = the days are flying too quickly by! Should you find yourselves in = Tucson, stop by and say hi, I'll be working the Inn Suites and the TCC. = All the very best! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 06:46:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jan 3 06:46:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two question In-Reply-To: <192.134ca568.2b4658fa@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all for the comments, etc, on the "amber". Pretty stuff, regardless. In any case, it will be a useful teaching tool for my girlfriend's 5th grade class. She'll be able to show a piece of sap-gooey spruce from outside the school, and a hunk of the Columbian stuff. I've even got a little piece of Sayerville amber that will make the continuity of process obvious. A lot of kids think that fossilization happened "back then" and isn't going on now. Today's mosquito (well, summer's mosquito!) caught in spruce sap is the next millennium's copal, and the next epoch's amber. Regards, GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 06:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 3 06:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two question Message-ID: <18f.13e72469.2b46fe83@aol.com> I think you have the right attitude. Whether it is very old or not, fossilized tree resin with inclusions is a very interesting window on time. The Colombian copal has great inclusions and can be had for a fraction of what similar amber pieces would cost. I got very interested in it a few years ago when I was collecting in Sayreville... Got some great amber and gave a number of great pieces to the AMNH. Dave Grimaldi was most gracious in giving me a number of publications as well as a copy of the Sayreville Monograph when it got published... Heck I even found the Holotype of a Cretaceous Paper Wasp!!!!!!!!!! Gene Hartstein In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:46:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com writes: > Subj: RE: [Rockhounds] Amber from Columbia - two question > Date: 1/3/2003 9:46:57 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com > Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > Thanks to all for the comments, etc, on the "amber". Pretty stuff, > regardless. In any case, it will be a useful teaching tool for my > girlfriend's 5th grade class. She'll be able to show a piece of sap-gooey > spruce from outside the school, and a hunk of the Columbian stuff. I've > even got a little piece of Sayerville amber that will make the continuity > of > process obvious. A lot of kids think that fossilization happened "back > then" and isn't going on now. Today's mosquito (well, summer's mosquito!) > caught in spruce sap is the next millennium's copal, and the next epoch's > amber. > > Regards, > GcB --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 08:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Jan 3 08:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2002 Year End Statistics In-Reply-To: <000c01c2b2dc$7aa3f570$6847b6c7@rockman> Message-ID: Sob. I'm jealous. 2002 Afox Years End Collecting Statistics Total *Dedicated* Trips: 2 Total Collecting Trips: 5 *(includes WTCT where collecting took place) Different Localities Visited: 5 - Red Top, WA (Mineral) - First Creek, WA (Mineral) - Blanchard Mountain, WA (Mineral) - Walker Valley, WA (Mineral) - Chuckanut Mountain, WA (Fossil) Territory Covered: Western Washington (sigh) New Rockhound Converts: 5 (including students! YAY!) Oh well, there's always 2003..... afox > Hi All, > > > John > > 2002 Years End Collecting Statistics > > Total Trips 43 > > Different Localities Visited 19 > > Mineral 12 > Fossil 7 > > Most Frequented > > Deep Creek 16 (3rd Year In A Row) > > New Mineral Localities 1 > > Shows Visited as a Participant 5 > > Longest Trip 21 Days > > Territory Covered > > U.S.A. - WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, AZ, CO > > > Happy New Year's! > > > P.S. Tucson is just around the corner only weeks away and as always, the days are flying too quickly by! Should you find yourselves in Tucson, stop by and say hi, I'll be working the Inn Suites and the TCC. All the very best! > > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 09:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jan 3 09:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update References: Message-ID: <007601c2b34d$9637fae0$04aa77d5@pandora.be> Oops, seems I missed this one on Dec.26. I wonder how taht happened... 88-) (Double vision, see?) A bright journalist is, or soon becomes, an editor... Same here, Bryan. Thanks for calling Belgium a country! That's a boost for our moral... (ROFL) Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update | Well I don't know about European reporters but here in the US journalism | school graduates are not normally among the best and the brightest. Just be | grateful that they figured out what country Antwerp is in. | | Bryan | | "Si vis pacem para bellum" | | | > The Mineralogy Club of Antwerp being a translation of | > "Mineralogische Kring | > Antwerpen". I wonder... wouldn't "Antwerp Mineralogical Society" be a more | > accurate translation of the Flemish name of our club? BTW, who | > came up with | > "Mineralogische Kring | > Antwerpen" the first time? Anybody remember? | > | | | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 10:15:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jan 3 10:15:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Happy Birthday volcano Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030103075246.021bee80@mail.aloha.net> Historical note: Tomorrow marks the 20th anniversary of the ongoing eruption at Kilauea. The Volcano Observatory and USGS are celebrating by having special tours and demonstrations, not only of the various aspects of volcanic activity, but also nature tours about the endangered and rare birds, insects, and plants in the area. Update: The lava continues to flow into the sea, and yesterday and today there were no trade winds, so the Big Island is blanketed in vog so thick we can see it in our yard, and cannot see Hilo or the ocean horizon as we normally do. People are rubbing their eyes and coughing. The sun is a red disk through brown air in the morning and evening. Aloha, and Happy New Year, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 10:15:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 3 10:15:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2002 Year End Statistics In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c2b2dc$7aa3f570$6847b6c7@rockman> Message-ID: Aaron, Those are good statistics though; especially the "New Rockhound Converts: 5 (including students! YAY!)." Wish I could come up with a figure like that this year! I can't match John's mineral calendar for 2002, but will withhold the number of trips to keep you from getting depressed. But don't worry about John, he's obviously just a mineral bum! :-)> Although I am jealous, he's only a short drive from the shores of the Straights with those fossils (not minerals, but still geologic!), and I'm sitting here looking out a window with no snow (should be very white and deep) and the temperature is going to be about 42 deg. (should be about 31). So, looks like spring, yet there is nothing to collect within a short distance for a day trip... Blast you John! And I'm not even going to make Tucson! Regards, Lanny >Sob. I'm jealous. > >2002 Afox Years End Collecting Statistics > >Total *Dedicated* Trips: 2 >Total Collecting Trips: 5 *(includes WTCT where collecting took place) > >Different Localities Visited: 5 > - Red Top, WA (Mineral) > - First Creek, WA (Mineral) > - Blanchard Mountain, WA (Mineral) > - Walker Valley, WA (Mineral) > - Chuckanut Mountain, WA (Fossil) > >Territory Covered: Western Washington (sigh) >New Rockhound Converts: 5 (including students! YAY!) > >Oh well, there's always 2003..... > >afox > >> Hi All, >> >> >> John >> >> 2002 Years End Collecting Statistics >> >> Total Trips 43 >> >> Different Localities Visited 19 >> >> Mineral 12 >> Fossil 7 >> >> Most Frequented >> >> Deep Creek 16 (3rd Year In A Row) >> >> New Mineral Localities 1 >> >> Shows Visited as a Participant 5 >> >> Longest Trip 21 Days >> >> Territory Covered >> >> U.S.A. - WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, AZ, CO >> >> >> Happy New Year's! >> >> >> P.S. Tucson is just around the corner only weeks away and as always, >>the days are flying too quickly by! Should you find yourselves in >>Tucson, stop by and say hi, I'll be working the Inn Suites and the TCC. >>All the very best! >> >> > >-- >afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request >"Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 10:56:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Jan 3 10:56:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hanksite in humidity References: <190.13469021.2b463317@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c2b359$4e4c9c20$a91ebed8@powertech.net> Or go down to your locak high school and ask them to get it for you. Margaret > Incidentally, if the chemical company will not sell to individuals, they will > usually sell to a business or corporation such as a mineral club. > > Van > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 13:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jan 3 13:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Masmils for January Message-ID: It's a new month, and time for a new MasMils/PLUS extract. This month it's Hidalgo County in New Mexico. I had a fun time down there a couple of years ago staying at Lordsburg and taking part in Rockamania. I don't know if there will be a Rockamania this year...but if there is it's a hoot. I picked up a lot of massive fluorite just south of town...great LW UV response. To download the extract go to: http://www.catspaw-minerals.com and click on the sample MasMils button on the left. Ok... time for the shameless plug, as the guys on Car Talk always say! A bunch of MasMils/PLUS CD-ROM's are up on eBay (again): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4259&item=2152635050 Enough of this work avoidance. Time to clean the office! Regards, Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals www.catspaw-minerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 14:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Fri Jan 3 14:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perovskite, Magnet Cove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perovskite (var. "dysanalyte") occurs at Magnet Cove in association with magnetite and other minerals in a contact zone between limestone and igneous intrusive rocks. I recently examined some of this material, and found to my surprise three dark minerals, not two. Perovskite typically is very dark brown, often with some yellow streaks that probably represent alteration to anatase, and usually is (pseudo)cube-octahedral. Associated with it are some black octahedra that I assumed were magnetite. I dissolved a small sample in dilute HCl to separate the different mineral grains, and found that the magnetite is poorly formed octahedra with pebbly surfaces and a distinct steel-grey sub-metallic luster, and the well-formed black octahedra (often distorted by elongation) are non-magnetic (as is the perovskite). So... am I right in my choice of what mineral to call perovskite? Is the other black mineral spinel? Pete Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 18:15:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Fri Jan 3 18:15:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perovskite, Magnet Cove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030104021545.63320.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Pete, I collected at Magnet Cove, Arkansas many times while a college student at nearby Springfield, Missouri. The best place to collect was the Kimzey Calcite Quarry which was a carbonatite. The pit was long ago abandoned and flooded even back in the 1980'Unfortunatelyatly the owners wouldn't give anyone permission to collect. The easiest way to tell the difference of coarse is to use a magnet. We also noticed the perovskites tended to be much more lustrous and sharper crystals. We even found samples with preovskite octahedrons on magnetite octahedrons. I don't think spinel is listed as coming from the Kimzey Quarry. We never looked at any micros that might have been there. I know there are different of diffeent dark garnets including kimzeyite for which it is the type locaare (which arer very scarce by the way). Happy New Year to All. Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals --- Pete Richards wrote: > Perovskite (var. "dysanalyte") occurs at Magnet Cove > in association with magnetite and other minerals in > a contact zone between limestone and igneous > intrusive rocks. I recently examined some of this > material, and found to my surprise three dark > minerals, not two. Perovskite typically is very > dark brown, often with some yellow streaks that > probably represent alteration to anatase, and > usually is (pseudo)cube-octahedral. Associated with > it are some black octahedra that I assumed were > magnetite. I dissolved a small sample in dilute HCl > to separate the different mineral grains, and found > that the magnetite is poorly formed octahedra with > pebbly surfaces and a distinct steel-grey > sub-metallic luster, and the well-formed black > octahedra (often distorted by elongation) are > non-magnetic (as is the perovskite). > > So... am I right in my choice of what mineral to > call perovskite? Is the other black mineral spinel? > > Pete Richards > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 3 21:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 3 21:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perovskite, Magnet Cove In-Reply-To: <20030104021545.63320.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: Hi Pete, Bill Henderson and Art Smith list spinel as occurring at the Kimzey quarry in an article in Rocks and Minerals (Nov.-Dec. 1992, V. 67-6, p. 402-404, "Hercynite Crystals from the Kimzey Calcite Quarry, Magnet Cove, Arkansas, and Their Distinction from Perovskite." Hope that helps. Lanny >Hi Pete, > >I collected at Magnet Cove, Arkansas many times while >a college student at nearby Springfield, Missouri. >The best place to collect was the Kimzey Calcite >Quarry which was a carbonatite. The pit was long ago >abandoned and flooded even back in the >1980'Unfortunatelyatly the owners wouldn't give anyone >permission to collect. The easiest way to tell the >difference of coarse is to use a magnet. We also >noticed the perovskites tended to be much more >lustrous and sharper crystals. We even found samples >with preovskite octahedrons on magnetite octahedrons. >I don't think spinel is listed as coming from the >Kimzey Quarry. We never looked at any micros that >might have been there. I know there are different of >diffeent dark garnets including kimzeyite for which it >is the type locaare (which arer very scarce by the >way). > >Happy New Year to All. > >Stan Perry >www.emineralshow.com >Our Gangue Minerals > >--- Pete Richards wrote: >> Perovskite (var. "dysanalyte") occurs at Magnet Cove >> in association with magnetite and other minerals in >> a contact zone between limestone and igneous >> intrusive rocks. I recently examined some of this >> material, and found to my surprise three dark >> minerals, not two. Perovskite typically is very >> dark brown, often with some yellow streaks that >> probably represent alteration to anatase, and >> usually is (pseudo)cube-octahedral. Associated with >> it are some black octahedra that I assumed were >> magnetite. I dissolved a small sample in dilute HCl >> to separate the different mineral grains, and found >> that the magnetite is poorly formed octahedra with >> pebbly surfaces and a distinct steel-grey >> sub-metallic luster, and the well-formed black >> octahedra (often distorted by elongation) are >> non-magnetic (as is the perovskite). >> >> So... am I right in my choice of what mineral to >> call perovskite? Is the other black mineral spinel? >> >> Pete Richards >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> R. Peter Richards >> rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >> >> Mineral collector >> Crystallographer >> SHAPE for the Macintosh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >===== >Stan Perry >Our Gangue Minerals >www.emineralshow.com >Ebay seller ID rgangue >e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 04:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Jan 4 04:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - update of ItalianMinerals web site Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030104134314.007bd1a0@popmail.libero.it> Hi there rock collectors ! we do hope that you have started the new year better than ever !! we at ItalianMinerals.com have a lot of new rock ready for you to see and get ! The WHAT'S NEW sections have been updated with nice topaz and bixbyite from Utah, tourmaline from Burma, sphene from Pakistan, minyiulite from Italy. In addition a special page has been created for very nice and valuable GOLDEN BARITE ! we got some of the best bgolden barite crystals found in the last months of 2002 and now they are available for you. These specimens have crystals nicely terminated and up to 4 cm ! nice color and cheasel shape ! Give a look to our new pages at: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew-4.html or to the Golden barite: http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/Barite-MS.htm Visit us at: http://www.italianminerals.com Our best regards and wishes for the new-born 2003 !!! ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=itali anminerals ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 07:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Jan 4 07:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perovskite, Magnet Cove References: <20030104021545.63320.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c2b408$a0ff0200$b1af5a0c@fekib> ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Perry To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Perovskite, Magnet Cove > Hi Pete, > > I collected at Magnet Cove, Arkansas many times while > a college student at nearby Springfield, Missouri. > The best place to collect was the Kimzey Calcite > Quarry which was a carbonatite. The pit was long ago > abandoned and flooded even back in the > 1980'Unfortunatelyatly the owners wouldn't give anyone > permission to collect. The easiest way to tell the > difference of coarse is to use a magnet. We also > noticed the perovskites tended to be much more > lustrous and sharper crystals. We even found samples > with preovskite octahedrons on magnetite octahedrons. > I don't think spinel is listed as coming from the > Kimzey Quarry. We never looked at any micros that > might have been there. I know there are different of > diffeent dark garnets including kimzeyite for which it > is the type locaare (which arer very scarce by the > way). > > Happy New Year to All. > > Stan Perry > www.emineralshow.com > Our Gangue Minerals > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- For anyone wishing to purchase or exchange for Magnet Cove minerals, including perovskite and kimseyite, you can contact: Clyde Hardin 222 Ford Drive Malvern, AR 72104 Clyde is an elderly gentleman who has lived and collected in Magnet Cove for over 60 years, and knows the sites and mineral suites as well as anyone. He is now frail and ill, but still sells and trades regularly. If you don't have any luck with him, please get back to me. Larry Rush From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 08:39:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Jan 4 08:39:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Ebay items Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030104173733.007ba100@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, new Ebay items ! there are 19 new minerals to see and to bid on ebay ! See them at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid =italianminerals or goto my Gallery: http://mygallery.timegonebuy.com/customer/italianminerals/italianminerals.ht ml?/ Visit our website: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com Regards and have fun !!! ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=itali anminerals ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 09:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Sat Jan 4 09:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2002 Year End Statistics References: <000c01c2b2dc$7aa3f570$6847b6c7@rockman> Message-ID: <001b01c2b416$ebd94480$518cbbcd@rockman> Dear Aaron and Lanny, Thank you for your posts. I agree with Lanny, Aaron, your New Rockhounds column sure reads fine, I must aspire to emulate your results! A nice goal for all of us actually! Take care everyone, John PS Thanks for the charge Lanny, it makes me want to get out all the more! I appreciate the quiet times of Winter, but would much rather the thrill of the field. Its raining here with a new storm and its lashings due today. I'm planning to get out tomorrow for a bit of hoped for collecting, fingers crossed for a big day! See ya! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] 2002 Year End Statistics > Aaron, > > Those are good statistics though; especially the "New Rockhound Converts: 5 > (including students! YAY!)." Wish I could come up with a figure like that > this year! > > I can't match John's mineral calendar for 2002, but will withhold the > number of trips to keep you from getting depressed. But don't worry about > John, he's obviously just a mineral bum! :-)> > > Although I am jealous, he's only a short drive from the shores of the > Straights with those fossils (not minerals, but still geologic!), and I'm > sitting here looking out a window with no snow (should be very white and > deep) and the temperature is going to be about 42 deg. (should be about > 31). So, looks like spring, yet there is nothing to collect within a short > distance for a day trip... > > Blast you John! And I'm not even going to make Tucson! > > Regards, > > Lanny > > >Sob. I'm jealous. > > > >2002 Afox Years End Collecting Statistics > > > >Total *Dedicated* Trips: 2 > >Total Collecting Trips: 5 *(includes WTCT where collecting took place) > > > >Different Localities Visited: 5 > > - Red Top, WA (Mineral) > > - First Creek, WA (Mineral) > > - Blanchard Mountain, WA (Mineral) > > - Walker Valley, WA (Mineral) > > - Chuckanut Mountain, WA (Fossil) > > > >Territory Covered: Western Washington (sigh) > >New Rockhound Converts: 5 (including students! YAY!) > > > >Oh well, there's always 2003..... > > > >afox > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> > >> John > >> > >> 2002 Years End Collecting Statistics > >> > >> Total Trips 43 > >> > >> Different Localities Visited 19 > >> > >> Mineral 12 > >> Fossil 7 > >> > >> Most Frequented > >> > >> Deep Creek 16 (3rd Year In A Row) > >> > >> New Mineral Localities 1 > >> > >> Shows Visited as a Participant 5 > >> > >> Longest Trip 21 Days > >> > >> Territory Covered > >> > >> U.S.A. - WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, AZ, CO > >> > >> > >> Happy New Year's! > >> > >> > >> P.S. Tucson is just around the corner only weeks away and as always, > >>the days are flying too quickly by! Should you find yourselves in > >>Tucson, stop by and say hi, I'll be working the Inn Suites and the TCC. > >>All the very best! > >> > >> > > > >-- > >afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > >"Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com > Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and > mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index > and The Mineral Database > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 11:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jan 4 11:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii Message-ID: <200301041904.OAA14520@bert.cs.pitt.edu> Greetings all, I will be attending a conference from January 3-7 on Kauai, then spending an extra two days on the Big Island to visit the volcanoes. I plan to do the crater rim drive, plus some trail walking. Does anyone recommend any trails for best volcano viewing? How about lava watching? Also, I would like to try some mineral collecting while I am there. I have heard that some peridote (at least this is what I remember--if I have it wrong, then I apologize for letting my ignorance show) and sulfer crystal collecting may be possible. Are there publically accessable mineral collecting sites on Kauai or the big island? Happy Holidays! Gary Livingston gary@cs.uml.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 11:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Jan 4 11:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii In-Reply-To: <200301041904.OAA14520@bert.cs.pitt.edu> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of gary@cs.pitt.edu Sent: 04 January, 2003 8:05 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com; rocksandfossils@yahoogroups.com Cc: Gary Livingston Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii I will be attending a conference from January 3-7 on Kauai, then spending an extra two days on the Big Island to visit the volcanoes. I plan to do the crater rim drive, plus some trail walking. Does anyone recommend any trails for best volcano viewing? How about lava watching ? >>>>> Lucky you ! 2 years ago I was in the same situation (conference followed by holidays there) and it was splendid ! Unfortunately it rained cats and dogs all the time on Crater Rim N.P. IMHO EVERY single trail is worth to be recommended. Also, I would like to try some mineral collecting while I am there. I have heard that some peridote (at least this is what I remember--if I have it wrong, then I apologize for letting my ignorance show) and sulfer crystal collecting may be possible. Are there publically accessable mineral collecting sites on Kauai or the big island? >>>>> Near the southernmost point of the Big Island you should walk to "Green sand beach", a small beach with sand that is almost pure olivine. Also the sands on the path to the beach are covered with shiny olivine grains. Happy Holidays! >>>>> Idem. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 14:58:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 4 14:58:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii In-Reply-To: <200301041904.OAA14520@bert.cs.pitt.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104115739.029f1e80@mail.aloha.net> Gary and others who may visit Hawaii, Bill and I live on the Big Island and can give tips and assistance to visiting rock hounds. Contact us off-list for more details. Go to http://wwwhvo.wr.usgs.gov/ for info on current activities at the volcano and daily updates of lava conditions. In general, we would recommend flying into Hilo (some travel experts will try to send you to Kona, but that is mostly for tourists and is a much longer drive away from the volcano). It's a 30 minute drive from Hilo to Volcano National Park, Kilauea Caldera, and Information Center with trail maps and very helpful Park employees. Another 30 minutes takes you down Chain of Craters Road to where the lava is going into the ocean. Trails to the lava vary as the lava changes its own route to the sea, but they are well marked and all commence at the end of the road. If you missed my reports on seeing the lava, go to http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/FieldTrips.shtml There have been finds of calcite in caves on all the major islands, including Kauai---and there's a rock shop here in Hilo that has specimens for sale---but the word is that the caves have been cleaned out, and in any case their locations are a well guarded secret. There have been finds of trachyte here on the Big Island, but they are very rare. There's also said to be large olivine crystals here. Bill and I can point you to the areas where the olivine and trachyte are supposed to be, but no guarantees on finding any. "Green Sands Beach," as Rik pointed out, is at the southern most point in the USA, and is a full-day excursion from Hilo. One final note about collecting in Hawaii: There is a strong myth about the Hawaiian volcano goddess Pele, that she will punish with bad luck anyone who takes volcano rocks away from Hawaii. In fact the Volcano Observatory has a small display of returned rocks and accompanying letters where people tell of the woes that beset them after taking a specimen away. I doubt if many on this list would be troubled by such stories. I did ask a friend of mine who is native Hawaiian and teaches Hawaiian history, culture and language, what she and Hawaiians in general thought about the myths. She said that the Hawaiian people believe the land is sacred (as do many Native American tribes), and that they would prefer that people not desecrate the land. They especially abhor the military bombing ranges, commercial cinder quarries, and the like, but also wish visitors would have respect. I think they are more offended by trash and litter on the lava than someone taking away some small amount of rocks. However the bad luck stories are quite widespread, and for that reason you might have trouble selling specimens to some people, if that is the purpose for your collecting. BTW, you say your conference is January 3-7? Are you there now? Aloha, Kitty At 09:04 AM 1/4/2003, you wrote: >Greetings all, > >I will be attending a conference from January 3-7 on Kauai, then spending an >extra two days on the Big Island to visit the volcanoes. I plan to do the >crater rim drive, plus some trail walking. > >Does anyone recommend any trails for best volcano viewing? How about lava >watching? > >Also, I would like to try some mineral collecting while I am there. I have >heard that some peridote (at least this is what I remember--if I have it >wrong, then I apologize for letting my ignorance show) and sulfer crystal >collecting may be possible. Are there publically accessable mineral >collecting sites on Kauai or the big island? > >Happy Holidays! > >Gary Livingston > >gary@cs.uml.edu >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 19:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 4 19:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update References: <007601c2b34d$9637fae0$04aa77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3E17A791.4EAE@Tomaszewski.net> The newspaper business is much like any other business, competetive, and concerned with the bottom line. What is different is that the newspaper business actually hires English (or use your local language) Majors. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Oops, seems I missed this one on Dec.26. I wonder how taht happened... 88-) > (Double vision, see?) > > A bright journalist is, or soon becomes, an editor... Same here, Bryan. > > Thanks for calling Belgium a country! That's a boost for our moral... (ROFL) > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:24 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update > > | Well I don't know about European reporters but here in the US journalism > | school graduates are not normally among the best and the brightest. Just > be > | grateful that they figured out what country Antwerp is in. > | > | Bryan > | > | "Si vis pacem para bellum" > | > | > | > The Mineralogy Club of Antwerp being a translation of > | > "Mineralogische Kring > | > Antwerpen". I wonder... wouldn't "Antwerp Mineralogical Society" be a > more > | > accurate translation of the Flemish name of our club? BTW, who > | > came up with > | > "Mineralogische Kring > | > Antwerpen" the first time? Anybody remember? > | > > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > | Subscription Services: > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > | > | > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 20:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jan 4 20:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertising cabbing/polishing services on a web Message-ID: <14c.19d4d8fc.2b490a17@aol.com> I have a question about a home page for advertising rocks and cabbing/polishing services. What words or phrases do you (that have web pages) use to help the search engines find your page to list? How is it that you structure these in your html. Are these the words I see in the lines? I am just learning as I go. One of my student's father started and set up the basic form and I have been adding the text and pictures as I can. You should be able to get it by now at Personal comment off line would be appreciated, especially from you that are web page builders. Thanks Larry E. Whittington --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 20:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 4 20:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update In-Reply-To: <3E17A791.4EAE@Tomaszewski.net> References: <007601c2b34d$9637fae0$04aa77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104182316.02e74a30@mail.aloha.net> At 05:41 PM 1/4/2003, you wrote: >The newspaper business is much like any other business, competetive, and >concerned with the bottom line. What is different is that the newspaper >business actually hires English (or use your local language) Majors. > >Kreigh No doubt they are members of the organization Garrison Keillor created for "A Prairie Home Companion," the Professional Organization of English Majors or POEM. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 20:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat Jan 4 20:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104115739.029f1e80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: I've heard it was story was started by a bus driver, tired of cleaning up volcano rocks left by tourist on his bus. Sherry However the bad luck stories are quite > widespread, and for that reason you might have trouble selling specimens to > some people, if that is the purpose for your collecting. > > BTW, you say your conference is January 3-7? Are you there now? > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 20:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat Jan 4 20:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104115739.029f1e80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Duh, typo errors! Sometimes I just hit send before I read what I'm writing. Sherry > I've heard it was story was started by a bus driver, tired of cleaning up > volcano rocks left by tourist on his bus. > Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 21:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 4 21:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update References: <007601c2b34d$9637fae0$04aa77d5@pandora.be> <5.1.0.14.0.20030104182316.02e74a30@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3E17C09C.6EC2@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > At 05:41 PM 1/4/2003, you wrote: > > >The newspaper business is much like any other business, competetive, and > >concerned with the bottom line. What is different is that the newspaper > >business actually hires English (or use your local language) Majors. > > > >Kreigh > > No doubt they are members of the organization Garrison Keillor created for > "A Prairie Home Companion," > the Professional Organization of English Majors or POEM. > > Aloha, Kitty We visited Mackinac Island this past summer and started with a horse-drawn carriage tour to quickly give our kids the background/history of the island/national park (our time was limited). Our tour-guide (and driver of a three horse team) turned out to be an employee of the world's only radio dispatched, horse-drawn, taxi service -- and a self-professed English Major who could not find other work. He also mentioned POEM in his professional background. Thanks for the reminder. ROTFL!!! Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 4 21:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 4 21:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Death of Aleta's Rock Shop Message-ID: <3E17C4FF.626F@Tomaszewski.net> After almost 80 years of business, Aleta's Rock Shop, in Grand Rapids, MI, closed forever a couple weeks ago with the 'landlord' selling off the stock at $.75/lb. I've lost an old friend. Does anyone know of a rock shop near Grand Rapids, MI? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 03:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jan 5 03:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update References: <007601c2b34d$9637fae0$04aa77d5@pandora.be> <3E17A791.4EAE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000e01c2b4ae$9b268fa0$a59c77d5@pandora.be> Ooops again, Kreigh Journalism is one of the study options that my daughter is considering.... She'd better change her mind then ;-( >the newspaper business actually hires English (or use your local language) Majors. That would explain the degree of stupidity that some reporters (my apologies to the real reporters and journalists) display 8>D I guess that there is a real difference between a reporter and a journalist... On one of our commercial TV-stations they hold the absolute blooper-record... A few appetizers: "the cargo of the wrecked truck was the highly explosive sodium carbonate powder...." or even better... "The titanium dioxide that was spilled is very flammable and poisonous in its gaseous form..." and, oh yes, according to VTM (Flemish Television Company): "Axel Emmermann is a METEORITE-collector who lives in Mortsel....." Needles to say that this mineral collector had a few busy days when every wacko who ever found a funny-looking rock started calling me ;-)))) cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update | The newspaper business is much like any other business, competetive, and | concerned with the bottom line. What is different is that the newspaper | business actually hires English (or use your local language) Majors. | | Kreigh | | | | Axel Emmermann wrote: | > | > Oops, seems I missed this one on Dec.26. I wonder how taht happened... 88-) | > (Double vision, see?) | > | > A bright journalist is, or soon becomes, an editor... Same here, Bryan. | > | > Thanks for calling Belgium a country! That's a boost for our moral... (ROFL) | > | > Axel Emmermann | > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen | > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties | > Home : Lobbesplein 12 | > B-2640 Mortsel | > Belgium | > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 | > E-mail: | > axel.emmermann@pandora.be | > Visit our homepage: | > http://www.minerant.org/index.html | > Bezoek onze web-site: | > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html | > My own web-site: | > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "J Bryan Kramer" | > To: | > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:24 PM | > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Moonrock update | > | > | Well I don't know about European reporters but here in the US journalism | > | school graduates are not normally among the best and the brightest. Just | > be | > | grateful that they figured out what country Antwerp is in. | > | | > | Bryan | > | | > | "Si vis pacem para bellum" | > | | > | | > | > The Mineralogy Club of Antwerp being a translation of | > | > "Mineralogische Kring | > | > Antwerpen". I wonder... wouldn't "Antwerp Mineralogical Society" be a | > more | > | > accurate translation of the Flemish name of our club? BTW, who | > | > came up with | > | > "Mineralogische Kring | > | > Antwerpen" the first time? Anybody remember? | > | > | > | | > | | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > | Subscription Services: | > | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | > | | > | | > | > _______________________________________________ | > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | > Subscription Services: | > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | _______________________________________________ | Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List | WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds | Subscription Services: | http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds | From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 04:46:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Jan 5 04:46:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104115739.029f1e80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: 05 January, 2003 12:10 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii ... away some small amount of rocks. However the bad luck stories are quite widespread, and for that reason you might have trouble selling specimens to some people, if that is the purpose for your collecting. ... >>>>> Anyway, I can testify that, after taking some rocks and sand samples I am still alive :>)) But there is another issue concerning the export of geological materials from Hawaii. Kitty, please correct me if I'm wrong... In principle it is forbidden to take sand from Hawaiian beaches, but that law is in fact intended to prevent taking truck loadings for construction purposes. Nobody would take you in custody for taking a small bag of sand, I think. There are also some beaches where turtles nest, and there it is absolutely forbidden to take any sample. Those beaches are clearly posted as such. On the other hand when you travel to the mainland (LA, SFO or so) it is very stricly forbidden to take soil samples with you (that has to do with the quarantaine laws).Because you never know if a custom official knows the difference between sand and soil, before leaving I inquired at the agricultural inspection station, and they told me that pure e.g. volcanic sand was OK, as long as it does not contain ANY trace of organic material. Eventually at the inspection on leaving I showed my samples and had no problems. But it is better to know what it's all about. Last issue : do not put ANY film in your checked luggage. For inspection it is irradiated by quite high doses of X-ray radiation which may damage your film. It is better to hold them in your hand luggage and to request manual inspection. Enjoy your visit ! Best regards / aloha, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 06:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jan 5 06:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertising cabbing/polishing services on a web In-Reply-To: <14c.19d4d8fc.2b490a17@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes that's what the tag is for but this is really a complex issue. The goal is to get a high ranking on the search engines. But the algorithms that the search engines use are generally secret. Google did say it ranks pages partially based on the number of links to that page from other sites plus it uses other secret ingredients in it's ranking calculations. This resulted in companies being formed to make pages full of thousands of links to other sites, called link farms, to bump up sites that paid for that service. So Google changed its method. Some pages will put keywords in the Meta tag repeated hundreds of times, others will put keywords hidden in the text, they make the keywords the same color as the page's background color so that they are invisible to the reader but can be seen by the computer search engines. So the search engines started reducing the weight they put on keywords. You would be best served to use google to search for "search engine ranking" or some other terms to find some websites who specialize in this subject. Be very skeptical about those sites who try to sell you something to raise your ranking though, most of them are scams. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > I have a question about a home page for advertising rocks and > cabbing/polishing services. > > What words or phrases do you (that have web pages) use to help the search > engines find your page to list? How is it that you structure > these in your > html. Are these the words I see in the lines? > > I am just learning as I go. One of my student's father started > and set up the > basic form and I have been adding the text and pictures as I can. > You should > be able to get it by now at > > Personal comment off line would be appreciated, especially from > you that are > web page builders. > > Thanks > > Larry E. Whittington > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 09:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jan 5 09:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104115739.029f1e80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <001f01c2b4db$d382d700$c01cbed8@powertech.net> .Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii > Duh, typo errors! Sometimes I just hit send before I read what I'm writing. > Sherry > > > I've heard it was story was started by a bus driver, tired of cleaning up > > volcano rocks left by tourist on his bus. > > Sherry More likely started by the natives, who were dismayed at the rate their islands' sacred (to them) rocks were disappearing into tourists' pockets (and yards). Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 09:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jan 5 09:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii In-Reply-To: <001f01c2b4db$d382d700$c01cbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: The Natives supposedly deny being the source. I've wondered if the NPS, being flooded with mailed back rocks, made up the bus driver story in an attempt to diminish the rock returns. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > More likely started by the natives, who were dismayed at the rate their > islands' sacred (to them) rocks were disappearing into tourists' pockets > (and yards). > > Margaret From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 09:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jan 5 09:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104115739.029f1e80@mail.aloha.net> <001f01c2b4db$d382d700$c01cbed8@powertech.net> Message-ID: <3E186FF1.B3733C05@att.net> Margaret Malm wrote: > > > > I've heard it was story was started by a bus driver, tired of cleaning up > > > volcano rocks left by tourist on his bus. > > More likely started by the natives, who were dismayed at the rate their > islands' sacred (to them) rocks were disappearing into tourists' pockets > (and yards). There are many reasons these tales are started, and as you travel the world, you'll hear all sorts of myths and legends about why you shouldn't take this or that. The idea of "sacred" has different meanings to different cultures, and is a word not easily translated from one language to another. After really analyzing all these myths, applying Occam's Razor, and talking to lonesome female park rangers at remote outposts, I've ascertained several reasons that such tales are promulgated: 1. Simple preservation of a resource for future generations; for example, if millions of tourists each took one pound of Hawaiian olivine-rich black sand, there wouldn't be much left. At one time these were sold in little packets; I don't know if they still are. There are countless arguments for and against the "future generations" argument--for example, as Lanny Ream once wrote, what rights do our grandchildren have that we don't; and as I once wrote, *I* am someone's grandchild--but the fact remains that maintaining limited natural resources in place promotes tourism and is often the primary source of income for a locality. 2. Preservation of income sources for those who sell the resource in controlled amounts. I have always found it interesting that there are petrified wood shops just outside the north and south entrance to the Petrified Forest in Arizona. The literature offered in the park makes frequent pleas not to pick up even the smallest scrap, but rather to purchase the easily available and cheap wood available outside the park entrances. While I don't think there is some kind of conspiracy here, it is a mutually beneficial relationship. 3. Preservation of resources for study. This is most obvious in the case of lithic artifacts and pottery at archaeological sites, and recently paleontologists have lobbied for legislation regarding collecting of certain types of fossils on public (I love that term) land. This again is a controversial topic; right or wrong, it's another reason. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 5 10:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo) Date: Sun Jan 5 10:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii Message-ID: > 1. Simple preservation of a resource for > future generations; for example, if millions > of tourists each took one pound of Hawaiian > olivine-rich black sand, there wouldn't be much > left. One needs to consider if it's a renewable resource and what the rate of renewal would be. Sand is "renewable." I just don't know how fast it would be renewable. And 1lb is a bit extreme, I think. :-) Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 6 11:14:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Mon Jan 6 11:14:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for carnallite Message-ID: <001401c2b5b8$447dcbe0$0b393442@t5k8i6> Hello all, One of our Club members is looking for a carnallite specimen. Anyone = have one or know of one for a reasonable price? Thanks! Richard Sittinger WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club 1770 Orville Avenue Cambria, CA 93428 805.927.2223 Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org www.mineralofthemonthclub.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 6 14:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Jan 6 14:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii References: Message-ID: <000701c2b5cf$a55712c0$821fbed8@powertech.net> Yes, that could be a possibility, too. Beina an NPS emloyee myself, and seeing Zion N. P. gradually disappear in the pockets of souvenir-hunters, I can understand how they might have hit on that story in order to protect the resouces. (After all, if it's in a national Park, it IS a violation of Federal Law totake or otherwise "molest" not only the rocks, but also the plantsw and wildlife, etc. Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii > The Natives supposedly deny being the source. I've wondered if the NPS, > being flooded with mailed back rocks, made up the bus driver story in an > attempt to diminish the rock returns. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > More likely started by the natives, who were dismayed at the rate their > > islands' sacred (to them) rocks were disappearing into tourists' pockets > > (and yards). > > > > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 6 18:39:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 6 18:39:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cooking with fresh lava Message-ID: <3E1A3D7A.47EE@Tomaszewski.net> http://www.dolphinbayhilo.com/cgi-bin/dbay?0~dbay|6~Cooking|8~dOAl5h95b|9~2|Draw~Cooking.food If the link does not work (and you fixed the wrap) you may need to go to the Site Index and select Cooking Food. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 6 18:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jan 6 18:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii In-Reply-To: <000701c2b5cf$a55712c0$821fbed8@powertech.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030106151122.027229a0@mail.aloha.net> > > >More likely started by the natives, who were dismayed at the rate their > > > islands' sacred (to them) rocks were disappearing into tourists' pockets > > >(and yards). > > >Margaret > >The Natives supposedly deny being the source. I've wondered if the NPS, > >being flooded with mailed back rocks, made up the bus driver story in an > >attempt to diminish the rock returns. > >Bryan >.......After all, if it's in a national Park, it IS a violation of >Federal Law to take or otherwise "molest" not only the rocks, but also the >plants and wildlife, etc. >Margaret There are plenty of places to pick up lava and interesting stones that are not in the park. I personally believe the myth was created by one or more Park Rangers, and the native Hawaiians have not discouraged the idea because it fits with their belief that the land and certain rocks have mana and should be respected. Here are some websites that discuss the "Pele's Curse" myth: From the LA Times: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/05/17/MN135697.DTL This one has some good pictures and discusses the native Hawaiian's attitude: http://www.fukubonsai.com/bi3.html This one quotes some experts on Hawaiian beliefs: http://www.mauitime.com/v04iss23/commun.html This one says it was invented by a park ranger: http://www.sergeking.com/HAM/pele.html This one is amusing, well-written, & describes some trails: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9905/features-scigliano2.shtml Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 6 23:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jan 6 23:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cooking with fresh lava In-Reply-To: <3E1A3D7A.47EE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030106180007.02726330@mail.aloha.net> At 04:50 PM 1/6/2003, you wrote: >http://www.dolphinbayhilo.com/cgi-bin/dbay?0~dbay|6~Cooking|8~dOAl5h95b|9~2|Draw~Cooking.food > >If the link does not work (and you fixed the wrap) you may need to go to >the Site Index and select Cooking Food. The Dolphin Bay is a delightful simple apartment hotel (no phones, air conditioning or ceiling fans) that Bill and I stayed in first back in 1972 when we first moved to Hawaii. It is so popular with locals that visitors sometimes have trouble getting reservations. John Alexander, owner, is the photographer in the second site I listed in my previous message ( http://www.fukubonsai.com/bi3.html ). The cooking idea is great! Thanks for finding and sharing it, Kreigh! Most people have heard of the Hawaiian imu or buried oven where a pig is cooked for several hours in a pit, producing what is called Kalua Pork (yummmm). The pig is actually cooked by (here's the rock connection, Aaron) large smooth rocks that have been heated in the fire pit to place inside the pig body cavity. Many local families have special imu rocks that they carefully save for luaus and pass onto their children. The rocks have to be "seasoned" (tempered?) by gradual repeated heatings to remove moisture so they won't explode in the fire. (Did any of you ever receive an iron skillet for a wedding present that had been lovingly seasoned by a mother or grandmother?) One of the favorite places people collect such rocks is Waipio Valley here on the Big Island; some people even come over from other islands to collect imu rocks from there, because the combination of a river running out and surf pounding in produces a great tumbling effect. There are places there where we have heard a terrific rumbling sound under the water where huge boulders tumble against each other, and would easily break a foot or leg if a person were to fall into that part of the surf. Some years ago when I taught at Hawaii Preparatory Academy in Waimea, a luau was traditional at the end of the school year. My ceramics class would prepare (a) pieces of low-fire clay pottery bowls and figurines, and (b) packets of chicken, rice, and taro wrapped in foil. After the pig was removed for the luau, we would put our pottery and lunch packets in on the remaining coals and cover it with chicken wire and wet canvas and pile the soil back on. During the next 40 - 60 minutes we would hear an occasional "pop" as a pottery piece would explode, and then we'd open the pit and uncover those primitive-fired pottery pieces that survived, and open the foil packets for a great lunch! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 07:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stuart Schmitt) Date: Tue Jan 7 07:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chlorite or chloride inclusions? References: <20030104021545.63320.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c2b408$a0ff0200$b1af5a0c@fekib> Message-ID: <00e301c2b504$4e7c49a0$82ac3f94@STUART> Are the green to brownish inclusions and phantoms found in some Arkansas quartz crystals chlorite or chloride? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 07:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Livingston) Date: Tue Jan 7 07:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral collecting and lava watching in Hawaii Message-ID: <200301032235.h03MZfU100260@saturn.cs.uml.edu> Greetings all, I will be attending a conference from January 3-7 on Kauai, then spending an extra two days on the Big Island to visit the volcanoes. I plan to do the crater rim drive, plus some trail walking. Does anyone recommend any trails for best volcano viewing? How about lava watching? Also, I would like to try some mineral collecting while I am there. I have heard that some peridote (at least this is what I remember--if I have it wrong, then I apologize for letting my ignorance show) and sulfer crystal collecting may be possible. Are there publically accessable mineral collecting sites on Kauai or the big island? Happy Holidays! Gary Livingston gary@cs.uml.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 07:54:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Clarke) Date: Tue Jan 7 07:54:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] river rock locations Message-ID: <000801c2b518$e1046780$157dd243@clarke> Hello there! I am a visitor to Texas and I am looking for round river rock for my art = hobby. Where is the nearest location to Brownsville to find smooth = river rocks? Your help is appreciated. I don't mind a lone drive. Thanks. J Clarke --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 07:54:15 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tira Evans) Date: Tue Jan 7 07:54:15 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Silly Question About Knapping Message-ID: <004f01c2b609$e0aa1900$529ac8cf@forsale> Greetings, I am trying to find out if it is possible to knap a flint sword blade -- say 18" to 20" in length. I realize that such a blade would be completely impractical and only for show. I just need to know if there is some technical reason that would make it impossible to knap such a long flint blade. Thank you for your courteous attention. One hundred thousand blessings to you and yours, Tira Brandon-Evans From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 08:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jan 7 08:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Silly Question About Knapping Message-ID: <20030107161135.SBVL20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> In a word, no. There is no reason you couldn't. I have seen obsidian blades 12" long. However, there are some caveats: 1) You would, of course, need a piece of nice, clean, workable rough that big. 2) The bigger the object, the more likely it is to break from stress or a mistake. 3) It would be one heck of a lot of work, and you'd need to plan carefully. When knapping little points, if you make a mistake, you can sometimes correct it, or if it is too bad, you just discard the lithic and start over. That would be painful on a larger piece. Either the Mayans, Incas, or Aztecs--maybe all three--used blades made of obsidian. These were studded into clubs. I'd imagine they would need to re-fashion the weapon after every battle; an afternoon of whaling on the enemy with what is essentially a weak glass would leave little on the club (and, quite likely, little pieces of obsidian in the bodies of the enemies whom you smote and are still somehow alive). A long blade made of chert or flint may or may not break upon using it--most likely, though, it would break on the first blow, for reasons I do not now have time to enumerate. You'd probably get one good shot out of it, especially if you smite the head of your enemy at the neck with enough force to cut it off. Hey, why am I discussing the practical uses of theses things? I'm scaring myself. Don > Greetings, > > I am trying to find out if it is possible to knap a flint sword blade -- say > 18" to 20" in length. I realize that such a blade would be completely > impractical and only for show. I just need to know if there is some > technical reason that would make it impossible to knap such a long flint > blade. Thank you for your courteous attention. > > One hundred thousand blessings to you and yours, > Tira Brandon-Evans > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 08:26:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (kris murray) Date: Tue Jan 7 08:26:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Silly Question About Knapping In-Reply-To: <20030107161135.SBVL20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Message-ID: i know a guy that regularly makes them 9-12" and larger. his name is emmet and he lives in burns, oregon KM On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:11 AM, morningstar@att.net wrote: > I have seen obsidian blades > 12" long. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 08:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jan 7 08:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chlorite or chloride inclusions? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/2003 10:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, sos@ipa.net writes: > Are the green to brownish inclusions and phantoms found in some Arkansas > quartz crystals chlorite or chloride? Chlorite. Could also be Cookeite. John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 09:10:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Tue Jan 7 09:10:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chlorite or chloride inclusions? References: <20030104021545.63320.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c2b408$a0ff0200$b1af5a0c@fekib> <00e301c2b504$4e7c49a0$82ac3f94@STUART> Message-ID: <000901c2b670$84933ef0$788cbbcd@rockman> Hi Stuart, Their not shale as a majority of the identified phantoms from your State seem to be? This info. from the site you provided for your State Geologist in a post regarding Arkansas phantoms I posted to the list after Denver last year. Good luck and all the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Schmitt" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Chlorite or chloride inclusions? > Are the green to brownish inclusions and phantoms found in some Arkansas > quartz crystals chlorite or chloride? > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 09:26:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC) Date: Tue Jan 7 09:26:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Silly Question About Knapping Message-ID: <858D06269DA55D40940E3077D396EED9294C70@wadchqsxm03.usa.dce.usps.gov> Two years ago, while in Oregon, I looked through a knapper's pictures. One of the items was an obsidian sword he had knapped. Yes, it was long and very beautiful. I asked some questions about the difficulty of doing such a large knapping. Some of the replies as I remember them: It requires clean solid obsidian completely free from fracture. It requires a very large piece of obsidian to start. It requires two people to perform the initial strike. The person doing the strike and subsequent knapping must be an expert. Some additional info: The knapper would only use certain obsidian from an area he knew provided quality obsidian. He always dug the obsidian himself and He would only use obsidian from well below the frost line for large knappings. Ted Fredericksburg, VA USA TKowalsk@email.usps.gov -----Original Message----- From: kris murray [mailto:kriswmurray1@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:26 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A Silly Question About Knapping i know a guy that regularly makes them 9-12" and larger. his name is emmet and he lives in burns, oregon KM On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:11 AM, morningstar@att.net wrote: > I have seen obsidian blades > 12" long. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 11:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Tue Jan 7 11:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Silly Question About Knapping References: <858D06269DA55D40940E3077D396EED9294C70@wadchqsxm03.usa.dce.usps.gov> Message-ID: Check this one out: http://www.opalvalley.com/edit/33.jpg Ray Harwood makes these at our monthly Knapp-in using an Ishi Stick. We meet the first Sunday of every month at Heart Park in Bakersfield, CA. If anyone is interested in learning the art of Flint Knapping you are welcome to join us. Demonstrations are free. Bring safety glasses if you want to participate. We always have plenty of knappable rock, tools and band-aids to get you started. For more information and a map to where we meet go to: http://www.geocities.com/flintknapping/ If you would like more information about his work you can contact Ray at: RHar981468@aol.com Ray has a page up about Ishi at: http://www.vortac.net/traditionalflintknappingcom/ishi.htm Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 7 15:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Tue Jan 7 15:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer Special: Brazilianite on matrix Message-ID: <001001c2b6a1$09a51980$198579a5@7a2wp> Available - one flat of brazilianite crystals, most *on matrix* of albite. These are from the Telirio Mine near Linopolis, Brazil. There are 36 pieces of various sizes in the flat. Checking the web, I see retail per-piece prices ranging from $25 to $1150 (well, this one does have a 3/8-inch apatite crystal also ). We sell the smallest pieces for $14.97 retail. Even at that price, that makes the retail value over $500. A picture of the flat is at: http://www.ManyFacets.com/images/minerals/brazilianite_flat.jpg (123kbytes). The smaller boxes are 2x3 inch. Our price for the flat - $195 including shipping. If not satisfied, you may return complete within 10 days as long as you pay actual shipping costs both ways. -dan- __ __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: ManyFacets.com Personal: ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 11:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Van hee) Date: Thu Jan 9 11:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Going off-list Message-ID: <001401c2b815$e58ef310$a405c850@dehtxcim3a42hi> Going off-list for about a month due to a trip to work trip to Angola. Rgds, Paul Van hee MKA website: www.minerant.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 11:43:55 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Liz) Date: Thu Jan 9 11:43:55 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] fairfieldite Message-ID: <3E1DCF9A.8080707@qeeg.com> Hi, I'm a new member of this list. I'm a 56 year-old psychologist and mineral collector from Edina, MN. My 13 year old son Greg is also an avid collector, as is my wife Liz. We mostly collect fluorite and calcite, some barite and then a range of other pretty things. We have a website at http://www.beautifulminerals.com with some pieces for sale or trade and many "museum:" pages with pics of our nicer specimens. I have recently got in trade a piece of what is said to be fairfieldite on smithsonite from the Lithium Corp. of America quarry in Bessemer, N.C. Does anyone know anything about this occurrence? I was told very few specimens were found. My specimen has typical flesh-colored smithsonite, covered by 3-4 mm tufts and groups of white, spearhead-shaped crystals that is said to be fairfieldite. How can I be sure. I can e-mail pics to anyone who can identify it visually. Thanks, John Nash, Ph.D. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 13:17:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Thu Jan 9 13:17:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Eastern Federation only (US) Message-ID: <200301092116.h09LGld23765@mail.his.com> I am looking for nominations for the AFMS Club Rockhound of the Year. Every club in the Eastern Federation of Mineralogical and Lapidary Societies deserves to have someone from the club recognized by both the Eastern and the American Federations each and every year. Anyone in the club can nominate anyone else. All I need is the name of the nominee, the name of the nominator, the club name and a brief (50 word) blurb about why the nominee is worthy of being honored. So simple, so fast, so rewarding. e-mail me today! Cathy Gaber bg@his.com For those of you who are interested in nominating someone but are not in the Eastern Federation, you can find out who your representative is at amfed.org. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 13:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 9 13:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] fairfieldite Message-ID: <24.340e9909.2b4f4a36@aol.com> Dear John, Am astonished that the label says that the association with the fairfieldite is smithsonite. Am quite familiar with fairfieldite worldwide and would be glad to look at your picture of the specimen. Will check to see if I have fairfieldite from LCA when I get home tonight, although I'm sure I have it from at least ten other localities. Best Regards, Van --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 15:31:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Jan 9 15:31:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] fairfieldite References: <24.340e9909.2b4f4a36@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E1E0706.DD20A471@att.net> >From whom did you get it? Some folks do their homework more than others--and the LCA/Foote Mine assemblages, like those of Mt. St. Hilaire and Franklin/Sterling Hill, require a fair amount of expertise. Don ANNWB2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear John, > > Am astonished that the label says that the association with the fairfieldite > is smithsonite. Am quite familiar with fairfieldite worldwide and would be > glad to look at your picture of the specimen. Will check to see if I have > fairfieldite from LCA when I get home tonight, although I'm sure I have it > from at least ten other localities. > > Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 17:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 9 17:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chlorite or chloride inclusions? Message-ID: <20030107165030.ZCOF12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Hi Stuart, I'll send probably the first of several answers you'll get to your question, but the name of the green mineral inclusions in quartz is chlorite, not chloride. Chloride is a chemical name, as in sodium chloride. The mineral chlorite was named because "chlor-" is a prefix derived from the Greek word chloros, meaning pale green. You can read about inclusions in quartz on the "Rockhounding Arkansas" web page by Mike & Darcy Howard, at http://rockhoundingar.com/ (click on Quartz, and then on Inclusions) Stuart, I'll cc this message directly to your own email address; because though I'm reading & replying to the "rockhounds" email through the address by which I'm subscribed to it, pjmodreski@att.net, I've accessed the internet via a different computer, pmodreski@usgs.gov at my office, and it seems that the server perceives my email as coming from an off-list computer and will not automatically post it to the list until it has been reviewed by the system administrator, which usually takes a couple of days. So you'll get the personal copy of the message first. Best regards, Pete M. > Are the green to brownish inclusions and phantoms found in some Arkansas > quartz crystals chlorite or chloride? > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 17:34:18 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Thu Jan 9 17:34:18 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini-Tucson So-Cal Saturdays & Slide Shows Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030108203543.02aab790@pop.mindspring.com> Hi Folks, I'm not posting under my own email address but rather under Carol Bova's, since I unsubscribed from the list while I'm away from base - specifically, in California, having come cross continent from my Bay of Fundy home to visit Carol in Sunland near Los Angeles to help her in disposing of her vast stock of cutting rough, and also to, - I hope - do a few lapidary-mineral-gem presentations of my own. There will be a plug coming on behalf of Carol shortly. On second thought, (what the heck) might as get that plug in now, before I get to the details of my slide show offerings. Essentially, for health and other reasons, Carol needs to dispose of her vast stock of cutting material - agate, jasper, jade, chrysocolla, obsidian, and - and - and! There are fourteen buckets and bins (I counted them!) of obsidian alone. Plus tourmaline by the kilogram, gram and carat. Opal likewise, cut and rough. As well, I have my own Bay of Fundy porcelain agate and panorama stone rough and designer stones and hand carved alabaster bowls. It's like a mini-Tucson on the patio at Carol's home in Sunland, each Saturday in January, 9am-5pm. Coffee's free (I've been told that's not a custom the real Tucson is noted for), and each sale closes with one of my mineral-gem slide shows. For the yard sale, the slide shows are also under Carol's patio roof; bring a folding chair. Call 818 951 1402 or 818 051 2990 for information and road directions. And now to my slide presentations in detail. I've brought with me five slide shows on gem & mineral topics which may be of interest to schools, museums, and mineral clubs. There are others, including hands-on demonstrations of cutting, carving, making "assembled" stones, faceting, and silversmithing. Contact me at my usual email address - everything is forwarded here. Gems & Minerals of the Bay of Fundy As far back as the early 1800's the Canadian geologist Dr. Abraham Gesner and his bitter rival Charles T. Jackson of Massachusetts both gave glowing reports on the mineral specimens and the gem potential of the Bay of Fundy. By the end of the century several Fundy islands had been bought by jewelry firms. This presentation explores the history and geology of Bay of Fundy gems, shows a great many typical collecting localities, rough stones mineral specimens found there, finished gems and jewelry. Needless to say, no Bay of Fundy presentation is worthy of the name without a look at its famous tides. At each tide, 100 cubic kilometers of water rush through the Bay, which is more than the combined daily discharge of ALL! the rivers in the world. With the difference between high and low water level as much as 63 feet, many an unwary collector has gotten himself stranded. "Labrador Stein" Canada's Arctic Gemstone Often likened to opal because of its brilliant color flash, labradorite -- a gem variety of feldspar -- was discovered by German missionaries in Eastern Labrador in the late 1700's. It's been mined -- quarried is a better term -- somewhat haphazardly ever since. This presentation takes viewers to a labradorite deposit in the starkly beautiful land at the edge of the tree line where the working season is barely a month long. We get a first hand glimpse of life and attitudes "up north" -- often amusingly strange to our southern expectations. Gems Across the Continent In January of 2002, I drove 3,383 miles from Los Angeles back home to New Brunswick, Canada, stopping along the way to visit and photograph gem locations. They include a visit to the J.O Crystal Company in Long Beach, where the "Ramaura" lab grown rubies are made; peridot digging on the San Carlos Reservation in Arizona; quartz crystal digging in Mount Ida Arkansas, a quick visit to the amazing outdoor mineral mart that is Quartzite Arizona in late January, and a visit to Jamie Hill's emerald dig in Hiddenite North Carolina just four days after the major find of last January...where we see the emerald crystals still in situ in a cleft in the host rock. Idar-Oberstein - World Mecca of Precious Stone Idar-Oberstein - a small city in southwest Germany, is focused on gems like no other place in the world. Here, some 1,000!! separate businesses work in the gem trade. Cutting, dyeing, drilling, carving, faceting, synthesizing, importing, exporting - anything than can be done to or with a precious stone is done in Idar Oberstein. The industry, well over 5 centuries old, originated from agate in local basalt lava. In this presentation we visit a 500 year old gem mine, and a historic cutting mill where stones are still cut on huge water-powered natural sandstone wheels. We visit a facet cutting shop, an opal cutting workshop, and follow the entire process of diamond cutting. A full spectrum overview of the gem trade. Restoring the "British Museum" Antique Table The story of this unusual and challenging lapidary project will be published at length in "Lapidary Journal" some time this year. Three years ago, at the Saturday morning Farmer's Market in Moncton, Canada, a lady approached me to tell me about a friend of hers who worked at a woodworking shop and who had this table all inlaid with stone that needed to be repaired. Could I do it? That certainly wasn't a whole lot to go on, so I said I'd need to know a bit more. A week later came a call from the woodworking shop. They had this antique table, it must have about 200 plates of granite in it; the table had been broken and so had many of the plates of stone. Would I like to come look at it and see if I could do the stone repair? What I saw at the wood shop was breathtaking - a spoked wheel of stone plates like a large, multicolored dartboard, in a surround of rich, hand carved antique hardwood. Clearly a significant antique. So the first order of business was to find out more about it. That proved a challenge in itself. But at last, through the most ridiculously singular co-incidence chances, I found a picture of an identical twin to "my" table - and this twin was in the British Museum in London. With that lead, I learned enough about the table to begin the restoration - which this slide presentation illustrates. Skulduggery & Swindle - The Strange Story of Albertite at the Dawn to the Petroleum Age (NOTE - Since there are few slides available from the mid-1880's, this is a lecture rather than a slide show. I published a lengthy story on this in "MATRIX - A Journal of Mineral History") In his researches on lamp fuels, Abraham Gesner first made kerosene from Trinidad pitch. But when this proved unsatisfactory, he began distilling albertite, a black solid hydrocarbon from Albert County, New Brunswick, Canada. Then, in 1849, a burst milldam near Hillsborough disclosed a huge seam of albertite. A bizarre struggle now ensued between Gesner and his bitter commercial rival Edward Allison, who also claimed the deposit. Gesner was chased off the property by 26 armed men hired by Allison. Gesner protested to the crown, but in a way that did him more damage than his opponents. A celebrated trial ensued, in which a main issue was to decide if albertite was or was not a true coal. Thanks to a "special jury" and probably also to faked evidence, the court decided (in error) that albertite was coal, and Gesner held no rights to it. He, now deep in debt, fled to the United States under cover of darkness. Here he continued his researches and first brought kerosene to market. Dr. Gesner's kerosene lamp fuel remained the prime product of oil refineries worldwide for the first fifty years of the petroleum age, until the demand for gasoline took over, brought on by the advent of the automobile. Hence the curious history of albertite is a key component in the early days of the worldwide age of petroleum. Carol J. Bova bova@bovagems.com http://www.bovagems.com/ Lapidary Rough and The Eclectic Lapidary e-zine From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 17:34:21 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Todd Hamrick) Date: Thu Jan 9 17:34:21 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] fairfieldite References: <3E1DCF9A.8080707@qeeg.com> Message-ID: <3E1E22CF.29F5CE75@shelby.net> John, I live within 15 miles of the Foote Mine and LCA.I have never seen the association of Fairfieldite and Smithsonite from either location,but I do have many specimes of Fairfieldite from both locations.It could possibly be Hydroxyl Apatite,but that is a guess.I would be glad to look at it and put in my 2 cents worth. Todd John & Liz wrote: > Hi, I'm a new member of this list. I'm a 56 year-old psychologist and > mineral collector from Edina, MN. My 13 year old son Greg is also an > avid collector, as is my wife Liz. We mostly collect fluorite and > calcite, some barite and then a range of other pretty things. We have a > website at http://www.beautifulminerals.com with some pieces for sale or > trade and many "museum:" pages with pics of our nicer specimens. > > I have recently got in trade a piece of what is said to be fairfieldite > on smithsonite from the Lithium Corp. of America quarry in Bessemer, > N.C. Does anyone know anything about this occurrence? I was told very > few specimens were found. My specimen has typical flesh-colored > smithsonite, covered by 3-4 mm tufts and groups of white, > spearhead-shaped crystals that is said to be fairfieldite. How can I be > sure. I can e-mail pics to anyone who can identify it visually. > > Thanks, > > John Nash, Ph.D. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 9 20:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jan 9 20:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini-Tucson So-Cal Saturdays & Slide Shows In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030108203543.02aab790@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030109183104.027d1e40@mail.aloha.net> All this sounds wonderful and Bill and I wish we could there. Two questions: 1) I'm embarrassed to ask, because I feel I should know the answer, but who are you? The references to Bay of Fundy, Moncton, and perhaps even slide shows is very familiar, but with only Carol's return address, and not even you first name signed, I can't check back to find it. Sorry! 2) The descriptions of your slide shows sound absolutely fascinating. Is there any way you can make at least some of your shows---or abbreviated versions---available to those of us who are unable to attend? Aloha, Kitty At 06:53 PM 1/8/2003, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm not posting under my own email address but rather under Carol Bova's, >since I unsubscribed from the list while I'm away from base - >specifically, in California, having come cross continent from my Bay of >Fundy home to visit Carol in Sunland near Los Angeles to help her in >disposing of her vast stock of cutting rough, and also to, - I hope - do a >few lapidary-mineral-gem presentations of my own. There will be a plug >coming on behalf of Carol shortly. On second thought, (what the heck) >might as get that plug in now, before I get to the details of my slide >show offerings. > >Essentially, for health and other reasons, Carol needs to dispose of her >vast stock of cutting material - agate, jasper, jade, chrysocolla, >obsidian, and - and - and! There are fourteen buckets and bins (I counted >them!) of obsidian alone. Plus tourmaline by the kilogram, gram and carat. >Opal likewise, cut and rough. As well, I have my own Bay of Fundy >porcelain agate and panorama stone rough and designer stones and hand >carved alabaster bowls. It's like a mini-Tucson on the patio at Carol's >home in Sunland, each Saturday in January, 9am-5pm. Coffee's free (I've >been told that's not a custom the real Tucson is noted for), and each sale >closes with one of my mineral-gem slide shows. For the yard sale, the >slide shows are also under Carol's patio roof; bring a folding chair. Call >818 951 1402 or 818 051 2990 for information and road directions. > >And now to my slide presentations in detail. > >I've brought with me five slide shows on gem & mineral topics which may be >of interest to schools, museums, and mineral clubs. There are others, >including hands-on demonstrations of cutting, carving, making "assembled" >stones, faceting, and silversmithing. Contact me at my usual email address > - everything is forwarded here. > > >Gems & Minerals of the Bay of Fundy >As far back as the early 1800's the Canadian geologist Dr. Abraham Gesner >and his bitter rival Charles T. Jackson of Massachusetts both gave glowing >reports on the mineral specimens and the gem potential of the Bay of >Fundy. By the end of the century several Fundy islands had been bought by >jewelry firms. This presentation explores the history and geology of Bay >of Fundy gems, shows a great many typical collecting localities, rough >stones mineral specimens found there, finished gems and jewelry. Needless >to say, no Bay of Fundy presentation is worthy of the name without a look >at its famous tides. At each tide, 100 cubic kilometers of water rush >through the Bay, which is more than the combined daily discharge of ALL! >the rivers in the world. With the difference between high and low water >level as much as 63 feet, many an unwary collector has gotten himself stranded. > > >"Labrador Stein" Canada's Arctic Gemstone >Often likened to opal because of its brilliant color flash, labradorite -- >a gem variety of feldspar -- was discovered by German missionaries in >Eastern Labrador in the late 1700's. It's been mined -- quarried is a >better term -- somewhat haphazardly ever since. This presentation takes >viewers to a labradorite deposit in the starkly beautiful land at the edge >of the tree line where the working season is barely a month long. We get a >first hand glimpse of life and attitudes "up north" -- often amusingly >strange to our southern expectations. > > >Gems Across the Continent >In January of 2002, I drove 3,383 miles from Los Angeles back home to New >Brunswick, Canada, stopping along the way to visit and photograph gem >locations. They include a visit to the J.O Crystal Company in Long Beach, >where the "Ramaura" lab grown rubies are made; peridot digging on the San >Carlos Reservation in Arizona; quartz crystal digging in Mount Ida >Arkansas, a quick visit to the amazing outdoor mineral mart that is >Quartzite Arizona in late January, and a visit to Jamie Hill's emerald dig >in Hiddenite North Carolina just four days after the major find of last >January...where we see the emerald crystals still in situ in a cleft in >the host rock. > > >Idar-Oberstein - World Mecca of Precious Stone >Idar-Oberstein - a small city in southwest Germany, is focused on gems >like no other place in the world. Here, some 1,000!! separate businesses >work in the gem trade. Cutting, dyeing, drilling, carving, faceting, >synthesizing, importing, exporting - anything than can be done to or with >a precious stone is done in Idar Oberstein. The industry, well over 5 >centuries old, originated from agate in local basalt lava. In this >presentation we visit a 500 year old gem mine, and a historic cutting mill >where stones are still cut on huge water-powered natural sandstone wheels. >We visit a facet cutting shop, an opal cutting workshop, and follow the >entire process of diamond cutting. A full spectrum overview of the gem trade. > > >Restoring the "British Museum" Antique Table >The story of this unusual and challenging lapidary project will be >published at length in "Lapidary Journal" some time this year. Three years >ago, at the Saturday morning Farmer's Market in Moncton, Canada, a lady >approached me to tell me about a friend of hers who worked at a >woodworking shop and who had this table all inlaid with stone that needed >to be repaired. Could I do it? That certainly wasn't a whole lot to go on, >so I said I'd need to know a bit more. A week later came a call from the >woodworking shop. They had this antique table, it must have about 200 >plates of granite in it; the table had been broken and so had many of the >plates of stone. Would I like to come look at it and see if I could do the >stone repair? What I saw at the wood shop was breathtaking - a spoked >wheel of stone plates like a large, multicolored dartboard, in a surround >of rich, hand carved antique hardwood. Clearly a significant antique. So >the first order of business was to find out more about it. That proved a >challenge in itself. But at last, through the most ridiculously singular >co-incidence chances, I found a picture of an identical twin to "my" table >- and this twin was in the British Museum in London. With that lead, I >learned enough about the table to begin the restoration - which this slide >presentation illustrates. > > >Skulduggery & Swindle - The Strange Story of Albertite at the Dawn to the >Petroleum Age >(NOTE - Since there are few slides available from the mid-1880's, this is >a lecture rather than a slide show. I published a lengthy story on this in >"MATRIX - A Journal of Mineral History") > >In his researches on lamp fuels, Abraham Gesner first made kerosene from >Trinidad pitch. But when this proved unsatisfactory, he began distilling >albertite, a black solid hydrocarbon from Albert County, New Brunswick, >Canada. Then, in 1849, a burst milldam near Hillsborough disclosed a huge >seam of albertite. A bizarre struggle now ensued between Gesner and his >bitter commercial rival Edward Allison, who also claimed the deposit. >Gesner was chased off the property by 26 armed men hired by Allison. >Gesner protested to the crown, but in a way that did him more damage than >his opponents. A celebrated trial ensued, in which a main issue was to >decide if albertite was or was not a true coal. Thanks to a "special jury" >and probably also to faked evidence, the court decided (in error) that >albertite was coal, and Gesner held no rights to it. He, now deep in debt, >fled to the United States under cover of darkness. Here he continued his >researches and first brought kerosene to market. Dr. Gesner's kerosene >lamp fuel remained the prime product of oil refineries worldwide for the >first fifty years of the petroleum age, until the demand for gasoline took >over, brought on by the advent of the automobile. Hence the curious >history of albertite is a key component in the early days of the worldwide >age of petroleum. > > > >Carol J. Bova bova@bovagems.com > http://www.bovagems.com/ >Lapidary Rough and The Eclectic Lapidary e-zine > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 10 20:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 10 20:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] fairfieldite Message-ID: <7b.6f35894.2b50f130@aol.com> I recently traded for what sounds like a very similar specimen, collected at LCA by Dmitri Evtimov, a fellow member of the Greensboro (NC) Gem and Mineral Club. Dmitri said he had analyzed the matrix upon which the fairfieldite spears were standing and determined it to be a combination of smithsonite and fluorapatite. I am not nearly so well versed in the minerals at LCA as at the nearby Foote Mine, from which I have fairfieldite in numerous habits, but I do know Dmitri, and he is a very careful and absolutely scrupulous mineralogist. Ed DeWindt-Robson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 11 19:05:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Liz) Date: Sat Jan 11 19:05:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #351 - 1 msg References: <20030112020002.13976.49989.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3E20DB21.20102@qeeg.com> Thanks for the info. Hope you also enjoy the specimen. Very nicely developed fairfieldite on whatever it is. I heard from Dmitry that he's also a Ph.D. chemist. He's detected phosphate and carbonate, the Zn is ambiguous, so at some point he'll do a definitive test, a NMR I think. John rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com wrote: >Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." > > >[Rockhounds-Digest] > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: fairfieldite (EDewindtro@aol.com) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: EDewindtro@aol.com >Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:01:52 EST >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fairfieldite >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >I recently traded for what sounds like a very similar specimen, collected at >LCA by Dmitri Evtimov, a fellow member of the Greensboro (NC) Gem and Mineral >Club. Dmitri said he had analyzed the matrix upon which the fairfieldite >spears were standing and determined it to be a combination of smithsonite and >fluorapatite. I am not nearly so well versed in the minerals at LCA as at >the nearby Foote Mine, from which I have fairfieldite in numerous habits, but >I do know Dmitri, and he is a very careful and absolutely scrupulous >mineralogist. >Ed DeWindt-Robson > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds mailing list >Rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >End of Rockhounds Digest > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 12 06:35:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jan 12 06:35:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fairfieldite? References: <20030112020002.13976.49989.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <3E20DB21.20102@qeeg.com> Message-ID: <3E217E1C.B09B5CFD@att.net> John & Liz wrote: > > Thanks for the info. Hope you also enjoy the specimen. Very nicely > developed fairfieldite on whatever it is. I heard from Dmitry that he's > also a Ph.D. chemist. He's detected phosphate and carbonate, the Zn is > ambiguous, so at some point he'll do a definitive test, a NMR I think. NMR? You mean EDS or XRD? Anyway I'm confused; are we talking about identifying the matrix or confirming the fairfieldite? There is no zinc in fairfieldite. All the key elements in the formula, Ca2(Mn,Fe++)(PO4)2 * 2H2O, should be detectable by EDS, though for a complete analysis the low-temperature water content should be confirmed at least qualitatively by FTIR (Fourier-transform infrared) or perhaps quantitatively by TGA (thermogravimetric analysis). Many people just calculate the water content after an EDS, though. However, the substitution series with Mn and Fe++ might prove challenging; I really don't know. Dmitri should definitely do a full analysis and publish it; that would be a nice contribution to the field. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 12 15:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jan 12 15:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fairfieldite? Message-ID: <147.7a30208.2b5358d9@aol.com> A little blowpipe action and some cobalt nitrate might be a cheaper test for zinc. There's a little confusion with Al, etc., by this method, but a negative test should be what you get. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 12 16:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jan 12 16:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fairfieldite? Message-ID: <16c.1918a1f6.2b5360ac@aol.com> In a message dated 1/12/03 9:37:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, morningstar@att.net writes: > Anyway I'm confused; are we talking about > identifying the matrix or confirming the fairfieldite? There is no zinc > in fairfieldite. In this case, it's the matrix that is in question. It looks a lot like the botryoidal carbonate-hydroxylapatite which is one of the LCA's more attractive minerals, but the smithsonite component makes it a pretty rare bird, and adds greatly to the value of an already outstanding fairfieldite specimen. Ed --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 12 16:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jan 12 16:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fairfieldite? References: <16c.1918a1f6.2b5360ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E220ACC.7814648E@att.net> Got it. Now I am not confused. Definitely want to se a paper if that is the case. Have fun, Don EDewindtro@aol.com wrote: > In this case, it's the matrix that is in question. It looks a lot like the > botryoidal carbonate-hydroxylapatite which is one of the LCA's more > attractive minerals, but the smithsonite component makes it a pretty rare > bird, and adds greatly to the value of an already outstanding fairfieldite > specimen. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 12 21:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Jan 12 21:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Equipment for Sale Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030112215700.016ff510@mail.spiritone.com> FACETER, CABBER, AUTO HOLE DRILLER, TRIM SAW Used 6" Lee faceting machine. Head, lamp, motor, belt, arbor, drip system, drain hose, Lee transfer jig, Allen wrench, 45 degree adapter, index heads: 96, 64, and (2) 80s, seven laps: phenolic, another polishing lap, and new or barely used Crystalite diamond laps in 100, 260, 600, 1200, and 1500 mesh, 25 keyed LEE dops. Star Diamond Cabber: all-in-one cabbing unit with EVERYTHING included to get you started! Hardly used! 3 water supply inlets, one for each wheel, expandable drum sander, coarse and fine grit corundum grinding wheels, felt and leather polishing discs, flat sanding disc, trim saw, belt, motor, recirculating filtering water supply. Comes with an extra grinding wheel, many sanding discs, trim saw attachment & blades, leather polishing disc and extra pad, recirculating pump, Beacon Star filtering box, 1/3 HP motor, switch, and mounting brackets. "Pro Carva - Gem Drill" vintage 1972, hardly used. I don't know much about this but I do have a copy of the one-page manual. I do know it accepts core drills that use carborundum grit as well as diamond drills. It has a cam to operate in automatic mode or it can operate without the cam. There is another pulley for slower applications but it was not with the unit when I bought it. The manual says the head can be tilted and used as a carving tool but I don't know anything about how to do that. The collet for using a carving attachment seems to be included. Includes Allen wrenches and chuck key. 6" Highland Park trim saw with 1/4 HP motor & switch; blade not included. I have it set up to run a high-speed opal trim blade; if you want to use a regular blade just double the size of the pulley on the motor. CLICK THE SITE LINK FOR PRICING AND PICS! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 13 07:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Mon Jan 13 07:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini-Tucson Mea Culpa In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030109183104.027d1e40@mail.aloha.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030108203543.02aab790@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030109213520.02ab4a40@pop.mindspring.com> Hi Folks, The fact that several list members have responded to my "Mini Tucson" posting of yesterday about Carol's yard sale series and my slide presentations with comments signifying "yes but who are you?" makes it clear even to my dim wits that I did not sign that posting. My apologies. I can't blame it on jet-lag, because I've been here for a month. But it was late at night. Honest. It really was. So let me make up the oversight. Egg-on-face goes by the christian name of Hans Durstling, normally residing in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada; presently visiting Carol Bova in Sunland California. Cheers to you all Egg-on-face AKA Hans Durstling Posting from Carol Bova's address. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 13 20:41:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 13 20:41:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini-Tucson Mea Culpa References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030108203543.02aab790@pop.mindspring.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030109213520.02ab4a40@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3E2394B4.2153@Tomaszewski.net> Some of us recognized you anyway and thought it was pretty fundy. Kreigh Carol J. Bova wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > The fact that several list members have responded to my "Mini Tucson" > posting of yesterday about Carol's yard sale series and my slide > presentations with comments signifying "yes but who are you?" makes it > clear even to my dim wits that I did not sign that posting. > > My apologies. I can't blame it on jet-lag, because I've been here for a > month. But it was late at night. Honest. It really was. > > So let me make up the oversight. Egg-on-face goes by the christian name of > Hans Durstling, normally residing in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada; > presently visiting Carol Bova in Sunland California. > > Cheers to you all > Egg-on-face AKA Hans Durstling > Posting from Carol Bova's address. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 14 09:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Jan 14 09:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini-Tucson Mea Culpa References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030108203543.02aab790@pop.mindspring.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20030109213520.02ab4a40@pop.mindspring.com> <3E2394B4.2153@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005701c2bbf6$23119920$671dbed8@powertech.net> > Some of us recognized you anyway and thought it was pretty fundy. > > Kreigh > Oh, very good Kreigh! margaret > > > Carol J. Bova wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > The fact that several list members have responded to my "Mini Tucson" > > posting of yesterday about Carol's yard sale series and my slide > > presentations with comments signifying "yes but who are you?" makes it > > clear even to my dim wits that I did not sign that posting. > > > > My apologies. I can't blame it on jet-lag, because I've been here for a > > month. But it was late at night. Honest. It really was. > > > > So let me make up the oversight. Egg-on-face goes by the christian name of > > Hans Durstling, normally residing in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada; > > presently visiting Carol Bova in Sunland California. > > > > Cheers to you all > > Egg-on-face AKA Hans Durstling > > Posting from Carol Bova's address. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 14 18:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jan 14 18:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fairfieldite? Message-ID: <146.7dbdd05.2b5622b3@aol.com> Additionally, the matrix is probably not smithsonite, but could be rhodochrosite given the color of the specimen and its resemblance to a similar looking rhodochrosite from Foote pegmatite. If the specimen were identified by x-ray or some other method which only gives structural information, data from rhodochrosite easily might be confused with smithsonite. Chemical tests are apparently pending. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 16 09:41:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 16 09:41:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? Message-ID: <33.32748aeb.2b584884@aol.com> The uncommon mineral weddelite has been found in cavities in Biggs "jasper" in Oregon. What county is the mineral found in? I have seen references that the Biggs jasper comes from Isami Tsubotas' prospect. Is this in Sherman Co.? Some labels indicate Wasco Co., suggesting that you actually cross the county line west of Biggs to get to the collecting site. Has Biggs jasper even been found in Wasco Co.? Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 16 10:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 16 10:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? Message-ID: <176.14d2a39d.2b585ab1@aol.com> Van- I found this report on weddelite. I hope it helps. Bill Tompkins Clackamas, Oregon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- OCCURRENCE OF WEDDELLITE NEAR BIGGS, OREGON ___________________________________________________________________ NOBLE V. WITT, Field Collector, Vancouver, Washington Introduction __________ Early in 1979 Mr. Blaine A. Schmeer of 4260 S.W. Halcyon Road, Tualatin, Oregon brought me a single crystal specimen for identification. He in turn had received it from an unnamed party along with a very nebulous indication of the course. I was unable to identify the crystal, and asked if he could get a specimen on matrix. At the 1979 Northwest Friends of Mineralogy Symposium at Bellevue, Washington, Mr. Schmeer traded me some specimens of the crystals in a jasper matrix. Still no definite location from his supplier, except the general area of & Biggs, Oregon. Dr. J. A. Mandarino, one of the lecturers at the symposium, took samples with him for an X-ray powder diffraction test. The results indicated weddellite. I made a field trip to the area and was fortunate to discover the source on private property. Subsequent field trips have yielded weddellite crystals up to 6 x 6 x 25 mm along with bundles of parallel crystals up to 8 x 8 x 40 mm in size as well as scattered fish scales and bone, both in the matrix and in amydales in the jasper. The latter are replaced with weddellite. Geology _______ The area is located in the west central part of the Columbia River Basalt Plateau. The geologic age of the basalt flow is Miocene. We are dealing with upper or most recent flows. To the southwest, at a range of 100 to 150 miles, the basalt flows interfingered and alternated with an area of considerable volcanism, of an andesitic nature; consisting of rhyolite lava, cinder cones, obsidian and abundant andesite ash. Since the Cascade Range had not yet attained its present altitude, the prevailing winds were southwesterly and westerly and highly moisture-laden. This served to create a much more humid climate than the semi-arid condition we see today. During periods of volcanic activity these winds also served to distribute vast amounts of volcanic ash over the surface of the plateau. Witness the thick layer of "Mazama" ash exposed in the south wall of the Columbia Gorge at Arlington to the east and the extensive John Day formation. However, we might say that the lake we are discussing was come-lately by comparison, since it existed at a time when the volcanism which created the Columbia River Plateau, was drawing to a close. Due to the extensive nature of the Columbia River basalt flows,.the drainage of the plateau was quite inefficient, resulting in innumerable lakes, some extensive and some shallow. Between lava flows and during periods of volcanic activity, the volcanic ash distributed on the plateau would be concentrated in these lake bottoms by the surface runoff of rain water. Eventually the lakes would be overwhelmed by new basalt flows, and the process repeated many times. If the lake retained its water at the time it was invaded by a lava flow, the bottom sediments being saturated would not have competency to resist deformation. If, however, the lake was dry, the sediments would have compacted and attained a competency to support the invading lava with minimal deformation. The latter condition is the most prevalent in the area under discussion. The bottom sediments lie sandwiched between lava flows in an undisturbed condition. It is to be assumed that this lake bottom deposit was in a dry condition, for the most part, when it was overwhelmed by subsequent lava flows; the drainage possibly accomplished by the encroachment of the nearby (about 1 mile) Columbia River Gorge. Due to the presence of large quantities of Andesite ash, the lake water would have a high silica content. Occurrence __________ Jasper was formed in the lake bottom sediments. The jasper is concretionary in nature. In the lower members of the beds, the sediments were compacted to a competency which controlled the concretions in the direction of the bedding planes, resulting in lamellar structures from thin to more than 10 inches in thickness. They lie sandwiched between layers of sediment. The upper portions of the sediments, being less compacted, had not attained a competency to control the shape of the concretions, which are rounded, odd-shaped and warty, without reference to the bedding planes of the sediments and run from small to up to three feet in diameter. The weddellite under consideration occurs in amygdaloidal cavities in this so-called "Biggs Jasper." At this occurrence, bulldozing operations have exposed a vertical cross section through the flows of basalt and paleo-lake sediments. At the right is the leading edge of a basalt flow, composed of pillow lava, uprooting the paleo-lake sediments and jasper formations, indicating a subaqueous invasion of the lake from the right. From the left, the sediments are covered conformably with a basalt flow, which also overwhelmed the pillow basalt of the previous flow. This indicates a dry condition- during its time of deposition. Since the jasper is disturbed along with the sediments by the pillow basalt now, the structure clearly indicates that the amygdales bearing weddellite have a subaqueous origin. Conclusion ___________ It is probable that the desiccated vegital and fish bone material in the sediments were the source of the oxalic acid and calcium necessary to the formation of the weddellite. ___________________________________________________________________ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 16 12:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jan 16 12:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale Message-ID: <18b.14cf2c3a.2b5872c1@aol.com> Hello all I am selling my Diamond Pacific, Pixie, gem maker machine. It is a 6 wheel diamond grinder and polisher. 1 polishing pad disc, charged with Linde A. The 4 Nova wheels, 280, 600,1200,14,000, have been replaced and have 90% life. The 2 Galaxy wheels / 80 grit and 220 grit, have 50+ % life. The machine is very clean and in good working order. Price is $475 Thank you RocknLight From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 16 22:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jan 16 22:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? In-Reply-To: <33.32748aeb.2b584884@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030116220047.0148c7c0@mail.spiritone.com> Didn't see it in the article, but Sami Tsubota's quarry is at the mouth of Fulton Canyon, in Sherman Co., OR (Wishram OR-WA 7.5' topo; NE¼ NE¼ Sec 24 T 2N R 15E PM Willamette). I have collected the weddelite there myself (identified by Sami himself so it could well be something else lol). And yes Virginia, Biggs jasper and Wascoite (a jasp-agate very likely closely related to Biggs jasper) are found from at least the west side of mouth of the Deschutes River (Elkins pit), west to Miller Island in the Columbia River, Biggs (Spanish Hollow; former Dormier pits) at least to China Hollow (Howard Dolph's pit) and Scott Canyon (Pat Murphy's pit), near Rufus, still in Sherman Co. (Rufus OR-WA; NE¼ NW¼ Sec 19 T 2N R 17E PM Willamette). TMI? :) At 12:40 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >The uncommon mineral weddelite has been found in cavities in Biggs "jasper" >in Oregon. What county is the mineral found in? I have seen references that >the Biggs jasper comes from Isami Tsubotas' prospect. Is this in Sherman Co.? >Some labels indicate Wasco Co., suggesting that you actually cross the county >line west of Biggs to get to the collecting site. Has Biggs jasper even been >found in Wasco Co.? > >Van >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 16 22:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jan 16 22:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale In-Reply-To: <18b.14cf2c3a.2b5872c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030116221026.01453d50@mail.spiritone.com> I will buy it if it isn't sold already! At 03:40 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all > >I am selling my Diamond Pacific, Pixie, gem maker machine. > >It is a 6 wheel diamond grinder and polisher. 1 polishing pad disc, charged >with Linde A. > >The 4 Nova wheels, 280, 600,1200,14,000, have been replaced and have 90% life. > >The 2 Galaxy wheels / 80 grit and 220 grit, have 50+ % life. > >The machine is very clean and in good working order. > >Price is $475 > >Thank you > >RocknLight >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 17 12:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Fri Jan 17 12:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? References: <176.14d2a39d.2b585ab1@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c2be67$f06d7790$318cbbcd@rockman> Hi Bill, Thanks much for the Witt paper. It'll make a very nice addition to my NW reference materials. Do you know where this was published? Thanks again and all the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? > Van- > > I found this report on weddelite. I hope it helps. > > Bill Tompkins > Clackamas, Oregon > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ---- > OCCURRENCE OF WEDDELLITE NEAR BIGGS, OREGON > ___________________________________________________________________ > NOBLE V. WITT, Field Collector, Vancouver, > Washington > > Introduction > __________ > Early in 1979 Mr. Blaine A. Schmeer of 4260 S.W. Halcyon Road, > Tualatin, Oregon brought me a single crystal specimen for identification. He > in turn had received it from an unnamed party along with a very nebulous > indication of the course. I was unable to identify the crystal, and asked if > he could get a specimen on matrix. > At the 1979 Northwest Friends of Mineralogy Symposium at Bellevue, > Washington, Mr. Schmeer traded me some specimens of the crystals in a jasper > matrix. Still no definite location from his supplier, except the general area > of & Biggs, Oregon. > Dr. J. A. Mandarino, one of the lecturers at the symposium, took > samples with him for an X-ray powder diffraction test. The results indicated > weddellite. > I made a field trip to the area and was fortunate to discover the > source on private property. Subsequent field trips have yielded weddellite > crystals up to 6 x 6 x 25 mm along with bundles of parallel crystals up to 8 > x 8 x 40 mm in size as well as scattered fish scales and bone, both in the > matrix and in amydales in the jasper. The latter are replaced with > weddellite. > > Geology > _______ > > The area is located in the west central part of the Columbia River > Basalt Plateau. The geologic age of the basalt flow is Miocene. We are > dealing with upper or most recent flows. > To the southwest, at a range of 100 to 150 miles, the basalt flows > interfingered and alternated with an area of considerable volcanism, of an > andesitic nature; consisting of rhyolite lava, cinder cones, obsidian and > abundant andesite ash. > Since the Cascade Range had not yet attained its present altitude, > the prevailing winds were southwesterly and westerly and highly > moisture-laden. This served to create a much more humid climate than the > semi-arid condition we see today. During periods of volcanic activity these > winds also served to distribute vast amounts of volcanic ash over the surface > of the plateau. Witness the thick layer of "Mazama" ash exposed in the south > wall of the Columbia Gorge at Arlington to the east and the extensive John > Day formation. > However, we might say that the lake we are discussing was come-lately > by comparison, since it existed at a time when the volcanism which created > the Columbia River Plateau, was drawing to a close. > Due to the extensive nature of the Columbia River basalt flows,.the > drainage of the plateau was quite inefficient, resulting in innumerable > lakes, some extensive and some shallow. > Between lava flows and during periods of volcanic activity, the > volcanic ash distributed on the plateau would be concentrated in these lake > bottoms by the surface runoff of rain water. > Eventually the lakes would be overwhelmed by new basalt flows, and > the process repeated many times. > If the lake retained its water at the time it was invaded by a lava > flow, the bottom sediments being saturated would not have competency to > resist deformation. > If, however, the lake was dry, the sediments would have compacted and > attained a competency to support the invading lava with minimal deformation. > The latter condition is the most prevalent in the area under > discussion. The bottom sediments lie sandwiched between lava flows in an > undisturbed condition. > It is to be assumed that this lake bottom deposit was in a dry > condition, for the most part, when it was overwhelmed by subsequent lava > flows; the drainage possibly accomplished by the encroachment of the nearby > (about 1 mile) Columbia River Gorge. > Due to the presence of large quantities of Andesite ash, the lake water would > have a high silica content. > > Occurrence > __________ > Jasper was formed in the lake bottom sediments. The jasper is > concretionary in nature. In the lower members of the beds, the sediments were > compacted to a competency which controlled the concretions in the direction > of the bedding planes, resulting in lamellar structures from thin to more > than 10 inches in thickness. They lie sandwiched between layers of sediment. > The upper portions of the sediments, being less compacted, had not > attained a competency to control the shape of the concretions, which are > rounded, odd-shaped and warty, without reference to the bedding planes of the > sediments and run from small to up to three feet in diameter. > The weddellite under consideration occurs in amygdaloidal cavities in > this so-called "Biggs Jasper." > At this occurrence, bulldozing operations have exposed a vertical > cross section through the flows of basalt and paleo-lake sediments. At the > right is the leading edge of a basalt flow, composed of pillow lava, > uprooting the paleo-lake sediments and jasper formations, indicating a > subaqueous invasion of the lake from the right. From the left, the sediments > are covered conformably with a basalt flow, which also overwhelmed the pillow > basalt of the previous flow. This indicates a dry condition- during its time > of deposition. > Since the jasper is disturbed along with the sediments by the pillow > basalt now, the structure clearly indicates that the amygdales bearing > weddellite have a subaqueous origin. > > Conclusion > ___________ > > It is probable that the desiccated vegital and fish bone material in > the sediments were the source of the oxalic acid and calcium necessary to the > formation of the weddellite. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 05:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jan 18 05:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? Message-ID: <128.20aa67ca.2b5aabc5@aol.com> Dear List, You guys are great and came through with flying colors as usual. As far as I can tell, the weddellite locality is: Sami Tsubota jasper mine, Frank Fulton Canyon, 4 km South of Biggs, Sherman Co., OR. Thanks again, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 09:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jan 18 09:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? In-Reply-To: <128.20aa67ca.2b5aabc5@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030118090606.00bce4d0@mail.spiritone.com> West of Biggs At 08:08 AM 1/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear List, > >You guys are great and came through with flying colors as usual. > >As far as I can tell, the weddellite locality is: Sami Tsubota jasper mine, >Frank Fulton Canyon, 4 km South of Biggs, Sherman Co., OR. > >Thanks again, Van >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 10:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary & Karan Kummer) Date: Sat Jan 18 10:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale References: <18b.14cf2c3a.2b5872c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E299622.8020100@dam.net> Dear Fellow Rockhound I am interested in your pixie gem maker. Is you rprice firm? Where are you located and what would be the shipping cost on your machine. I am not familiar with Nova wheels. Are they diamond or silicon carbide? How old is the machine and would it be suitable for working opals? Please respond just as soon as possible as I am very interested in obtaining a machine just as you have. Thank you very much. Gary Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: >Hello all > >I am selling my Diamond Pacific, Pixie, gem maker machine. > >It is a 6 wheel diamond grinder and polisher. 1 polishing pad disc, charged >with Linde A. > >The 4 Nova wheels, 280, 600,1200,14,000, have been replaced and have 90% life. > >The 2 Galaxy wheels / 80 grit and 220 grit, have 50+ % life. > >The machine is very clean and in good working order. > >Price is $475 > >Thank you > >RocknLight >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 11:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jan 18 11:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: GARY Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale Message-ID: <74.296a5e02.2b5b01ac@aol.com> Gary I have had several responses and this is a time when the bulk of our fellow rockhounds are in Quartzite and Tucson and Laughlin.... So for now my price is very firm and the machine is well worth the price anyway. I am in no hurry to sell the Pixie and can wait for about 6 months to sell it at $475, once summer comes the price will be lower if I don't sell it, although I seriously doubt I will have to wait that long. The machine is in a good clean condition... I am the second owner, so I assume it is about 5+ years old, it really looks great, although looks are not of much importance, as the ALL diamond wheels CURRENT life-span is what any buyer should be most interested in, as the diamond wheels are the main cost factor... You may want to simply check out the machine at the Diamond Pacific website or many other websites that show the Pixie lapidary machine.. The Nova wheels, are resin diamond and backed with a semi hard foam and they are at 90+ % life-span and are barely broken in, the all metal, diamond wheel 80 grit and 220 are at 50 plus% lifespan.. The machine is perfect for opal... I am in Los Angeles California.. Shipping by UPS varies of course, but should be no more than $45 and then my cost for appropriate UPS box and bubble wrapping and tape and time, etc, etc... would be about $30.... Your total cost with shipping and handling etc would be no more than 475 + ship 45 + my costs 30 = $ 550 A new Pixie runs about 800 plus shipping so around 850 new when all is said and done, so you save about 300..That extra 300 would buy some good cooper peddy. Let me know RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 12:39:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary & Karan Kummer) Date: Sat Jan 18 12:39:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: GARY Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale References: <74.296a5e02.2b5b01ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E29BAAA.4020804@dam.net> Dear RocknLight I want to buy your machine. I am going to be in Texas for the next two weeks. I live in Missouri. What must I do to secure this Pixie machine? Gary Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: >Gary > >I have had several responses and this is a time when the bulk of our fellow >rockhounds are in Quartzite and Tucson and Laughlin.... So for now my price >is very firm and the machine is well worth the price anyway. I am in no hurry >to sell the Pixie and can wait for about 6 months to sell it at $475, once >summer comes the price will be lower if I don't sell it, although I seriously >doubt I will have to wait that long. > >The machine is in a good clean condition... I am the second owner, so I >assume it is about 5+ years old, it really looks great, although looks are >not of much importance, as the ALL diamond wheels CURRENT life-span is what >any buyer should be most interested in, as the diamond wheels are the main >cost factor... > >You may want to simply check out the machine at the Diamond Pacific website >or many other websites that show the Pixie lapidary machine.. > >The Nova wheels, are resin diamond and backed with a semi hard foam and they >are at 90+ % life-span and are barely broken in, the all metal, diamond wheel >80 grit and 220 are at 50 plus% lifespan.. > >The machine is perfect for opal... > >I am in Los Angeles California.. Shipping by UPS varies of course, but >should be no more than $45 and then my cost for appropriate UPS box and >bubble wrapping and tape and time, etc, etc... would be about $30.... Your >total cost with shipping and handling etc would be no more than 475 + ship 45 >+ my costs 30 = $ 550 > >A new Pixie runs about 800 plus shipping so around 850 new when all is said >and done, so you save about 300..That extra 300 would buy some good cooper >peddy. > >Let me know > >RocknLight > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 12:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 18 12:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: GARY Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale In-Reply-To: <3E29BAAA.4020804@dam.net> References: <74.296a5e02.2b5b01ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030118105258.02925bb0@mail.aloha.net> Shouldn't this dealing be done off list by now? Kitty At 10:35 AM 1/18/2003, you wrote: >Dear RocknLight >I want to buy your machine. I am going to be in Texas for the next two >weeks. I live in Missouri. What must I do to secure this Pixie machine? >Gary > >Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: > >>Gary >> >>I have had several responses and this is a time when the bulk of our >>fellow rockhounds are in Quartzite and Tucson and Laughlin.... So for now >>my price is very firm and the machine is well worth the price anyway. I >>am in no hurry to sell the Pixie and can wait for about 6 months to sell >>it at $475, once summer comes the price will be lower if I don't sell it, >>although I seriously doubt I will have to wait that long. >> >>The machine is in a good clean condition... I am the second owner, so I >>assume it is about 5+ years old, it really looks great, although looks >>are not of much importance, as the ALL diamond wheels CURRENT life-span >>is what any buyer should be most interested in, as the diamond wheels are >>the main cost factor... >> >>You may want to simply check out the machine at the Diamond Pacific >>website or many other websites that show the Pixie lapidary machine.. >> >>The Nova wheels, are resin diamond and backed with a semi hard foam and >>they are at 90+ % life-span and are barely broken in, the all metal, >>diamond wheel 80 grit and 220 are at 50 plus% lifespan.. >> >>The machine is perfect for opal... >> >>I am in Los Angeles California.. Shipping by UPS varies of course, but >>should be no more than $45 and then my cost for appropriate UPS box and >>bubble wrapping and tape and time, etc, etc... would be about >>$30.... Your total cost with shipping and handling etc would be no more >>than 475 + ship 45 + my costs 30 = $ 550 >> >>A new Pixie runs about 800 plus shipping so around 850 new when all is >>said and done, so you save about 300..That extra 300 would buy some good >>cooper peddy. >> >>Let me know >>RocknLight >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 12:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary & Karan Kummer) Date: Sat Jan 18 12:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: GARY Diamond Pacific P I X I E for sale References: <74.296a5e02.2b5b01ac@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030118105258.02925bb0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3E29BD25.20200@dam.net> You're absolutely right. I have just taken care of this item--I hope.---Gary Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > Shouldn't this dealing be done off list by now? > Kitty > > At 10:35 AM 1/18/2003, you wrote: > >> Dear RocknLight >> I want to buy your machine. I am going to be in Texas for the next >> two weeks. I live in Missouri. What must I do to secure this Pixie >> machine? >> Gary >> >> Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Gary >>> >>> I have had several responses and this is a time when the bulk of our >>> fellow rockhounds are in Quartzite and Tucson and Laughlin.... So >>> for now my price is very firm and the machine is well worth the >>> price anyway. I am in no hurry to sell the Pixie and can wait for >>> about 6 months to sell it at $475, once summer comes the price will >>> be lower if I don't sell it, although I seriously doubt I will have >>> to wait that long. >>> >>> The machine is in a good clean condition... I am the second owner, >>> so I assume it is about 5+ years old, it really looks great, >>> although looks are not of much importance, as the ALL diamond wheels >>> CURRENT life-span is what any buyer should be most interested in, as >>> the diamond wheels are the main cost factor... >>> >>> You may want to simply check out the machine at the Diamond Pacific >>> website or many other websites that show the Pixie lapidary machine.. >>> >>> The Nova wheels, are resin diamond and backed with a semi hard foam >>> and they are at 90+ % life-span and are barely broken in, the all >>> metal, diamond wheel 80 grit and 220 are at 50 plus% lifespan.. >>> >>> The machine is perfect for opal... >>> >>> I am in Los Angeles California.. Shipping by UPS varies of course, >>> but should be no more than $45 and then my cost for appropriate UPS >>> box and bubble wrapping and tape and time, etc, etc... would be >>> about $30.... Your total cost with shipping and handling etc would >>> be no more than 475 + ship 45 + my costs 30 = $ 550 >>> >>> A new Pixie runs about 800 plus shipping so around 850 new when all >>> is said and done, so you save about 300..That extra 300 would buy >>> some good cooper peddy. >>> >>> Let me know >>> RocknLight >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 17:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Sat Jan 18 17:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] I wish you could have been there too! Message-ID: <008a01c2bf59$c318eb60$f846b6c7@rockman> Hi Everyone, It's always a special day when through circumstance we find ourselves = fortunate enough to unburden ourselves of life's oft times unsatisfying = daily routine and we escape into the more satisfying world of our = obsessions, at least I know this to be true for myself. With this thrill = for freedom screaming in my ears, I hit the road for a bout of hoped for = successful collecting. My plan had me covering 5 different localities = while driving a circuit of over 300 miles. Buddy, my Labrador and = Rottweiler mix accompanied me adventuring.=20 =20 Our first stop was to an old friend locality in Mason County, = Washington. Zeolite's and associates are the hoped for treasures here = and I'd come prepared with an arsenal of collecting tools. With the = miles speeding quickly past, we soon approached the little side road = leading from the black top into the quarry. This road is usually gated, = but as we approached I was thrilled to see the gate open and access = unbarred. With my spirit soaring, we drove the last 2 miles into the = quarry. In the quarry I was surprised to encounter a front end loader = loading crushed gravels into two waiting dump trucks. I'd been fortunate = not to have encountered the trucks on the road coming in as these types = of backwoods logging roads are notoriously narrow and sharp-curved which = can offer some fairly unsettling encounters between motorists on = occasion! I pulled over far to the side away from the operations. Soon = afterwards with tools in hand, Buddy and I set out to recon the area = away from the equipment. This yielded very little favorable rock and we = were quickly back down to the working level of the pit. With this my = only option, I put Buddy into the truck to his extreme dissatisfaction = and then made my way over to the loader and its operator for a chat. The = operator proved to be a fellow whom I'd met before and he was = comfortable with my being there, saying only to give him plenty of room. = No problems there! Quickly, I set about making my round and on the west = wall furthest from where he was working I found a favorable looking spot = and soon worked into a nice little pocket.=20 =20 The pockets from this locality are found within the interiors of pillow = basalt and predominantly yields crystals of the mineral natrolite. This = pocket indeed contained natrolite, but more importantly, it additionally = yielded a beautiful undamaged loose penetration twinned light-yellow = colored calcite crystal about 1 1/2 by 1 1/2 x 1 inches which is a real = keeper for the locality being quite attractive and gemmy. The natrolite = from this pocket, as unfortunately so many of the pockets from this = locality are, was partially covered by deeply penetrating sediments = which had filtered down through cracks in the rock. While it often = prevents the natrolite from being recovered as fine specimens, it often = coats calcite to some extent with an easily cleaned away protective = covering. As I pulled this piece from the pocket, more trucks rumbled = into the quarry. With this unsettling distraction roaring away behind me = and Buddy in the truck incessantly barking his opinion, it was kind of = nerve-wracking. Quieting down the distractions as much as I was able = mentally, I settled back into collecting and soon had finished the = pocket. Additionally to the calcite, I found another smaller penetration = twinned calcite on matrix, but it'll require lots of TLC if it's going = to be worthy and then that was it, I gathered up my tools, waved a = goodbye and headed for locality # 2. This place was more then an hour = away, but was known only to me and a handful of others and as such, if = it had been worked since my last visit, it may actually have some = collection potential. My fingers were crossed. Turning off the highway, which we'd accessed after miles of back roads, = we crossed the Chehalis River and were again driving through rural = farming communities. I've always enjoyed this drive as it's very = peaceful and rambling, being miles from anywhere really, and was half = daydreaming when it dawned on me that the cow herd opposite of me just = didn't look right. I slowed way down and focused, coming fully awake = with the knowledge that they weren't cows, but were rather an extremely = large herd of Roosevelt Elk! They lay in the back of the field furthest = from the road with only a few individuals up and walking about. It was = hard to count, but there seemed to be between 70 and 100 head in the = herd. This is the biggest elk herd I've ever seen and how terrific to = see them in an area where they were so completely unexpected. Their = breath rose around them in soft swirling clouds as I watched and thought = how cool, how cool. =20 After several minutes we set off again and soon approached the turn-off = from the blacktop leading into the woods to the quarry. There was lots = of fresh clotted mud on the road showing the obvious signs of fresh = heavy traffic. This could only mean one thing, they were hauling logs or = rocks from the woods and they would be doing so oblivious to the fact = that I was coming into their domain. As I mentioned earlier, the logging = roads I travel are often very narrow and can be real hair-raising places = to travel if your timing throws you onto the same stretch of road going = one way with a logging truck coming at you from the other, and this = road, it was all steep and full of blind curves. Oh lucky me! Steeling = myself, I turned onto the dirt with bloodless fingers clutching the = steering wheel. We hauled booty down the open stretches and slowed to a = crawl while listening out the open window as we approached blind curves. = This was a drive I wanted behind me, and soon! Finally, after seemingly = forever, I very satisfyingly exhaled while turning off the mainline and = onto the spur road leading to our next locality.=20 No one seemed to have visited since my last trip other then gun = enthusiasts as the littered, shredded plastic containers and other = garbage spread all about so dramatically and characteristically = attested. Undaunted, I grabbed my tools and was soon prying apart the = walls in hopes of discovering treasure. For all of my efforts I did = manage one small pocket, but it was weathered and trashed and not a = recoverable specimen was to be found therein. Steadily I continued = working before pausing as my next wildlife experience approached. Over = the noise I was making, I began hearing loud discordant voices, I = searched about before finally noticing an approaching monstrous flock of = geese majestically flying overhead. They flew obliviously by, probably = never knowing I was down so far below them. I watched for several = minutes, physically and mentally relaxing until they were gone from = sight. Their calls still faintly heard in the breeze. A nice reflective = moment.=20 =20 I worked there without further incident for another hour and then was = all too soon back on the road again heading towards our next stops. = Before leaving though, while working in the pit, I heard and then saw a = fully loaded logging truck crest the ridge heading down on the road we'd = traveled earlier. We'd been very, very lucky not to have met a truck = while coming in and I crossed my fingers for continuing luck as we hit = the mainline one more time. Repeating my earlier driving performance and = good fortune, I was soon thrilled and off the dirt road back on the = blacktop and heading towards stops # 3-5.=20 =20 I'll save the details of these stops and only mention that for all the = effort, these localities also proved not to yield any crystal treasures = to me and my prying bar, but what the heck, it had been a beautiful day = and it was great just to get out! And so, with my path now uncluttered = by collecting expectations, we set out finally for home and began the = long drive back to Port Angeles.=20 Crossing the valley and again approaching the river, I wanted to see if = the elk were still hanging about and was checking fields as I neared = where I'd seen them earlier, I really needn't have bothered as upon = rounding the next curve I noticed the road choked with stopped motorists = gawking at the herd. And what a herd, if I'd been impressed with their = numbers earlier in the morning when they were all lying down, now they = were mostly up and milling about and boy, oh boy, was there a lot of elk = in that field. This was beyond doubt the largest herd of elk I've ever = seen, I stopped counting after 130 animals! What an impressive sight.=20 We'd been driving for about an hour and a half from where I'd seen the = elk and were now following the highway paralleling Hood Canal along the = eastern flanks of the Olympic Mountains when up ahead I spotted another = large group of gawking folks parked along the road. They were all = starring towards the waters of the Canal and I thought to myself, now = what the heck's up here? I slowed way down to a crawl and cast my eyes = waterward and was soon amazed to see spouts of water being ejected from = a transient pod of Orca, Killer Whales that had come into the Canal = several weeks before to the delight of the locals hunting harbor seals. = Their fins cleaved the water gracefully as they slowly swam towards the = north and it was just fantastic.=20 =20 A herd of elk, a gaggle of geese and now a pod of whales, how fortunate = it was to have chosen these localities among all the others to visit = that day. In truth, I may not have found much crystal treasure, but = after the inspiring sights of all the spectacular wildlife I was so = fortunate to observe, I'll mark this down as one of my most satisfying = field trips ever. I just thought this was so terrific that I wanted to = share the experience with everyone! All the very best, take care, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 18:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sat Jan 18 18:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] I wish you could have been there too! References: <008a01c2bf59$c318eb60$f846b6c7@rockman> Message-ID: <3E2A0D46.335E@rcn.com> this was sent to rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com thought you might find it interesting (keeps cutting off some of the text) GeorgiaO __..--..__ John Cornish wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > It's always a special day when through circumstance we find ourselves fortunate enough to unburden ourselves of life's oft times unsatisfying daily routine and we escape into the more satisfying world of our obsessions, at least I know this to be true for myself. With this thrill for freedom screaming in my ears, I hit the road for a bout of hoped for successful collecting. My plan had me covering 5 different localities while driving a circuit of over 300 miles. Buddy, my Labrador and Rottweiler > > > > > > > > > > > > I worked there without further incident for another hour and then was all too soon back on the road again heading towards our next stops. Before leaving though, while working in the pit, I heard and then saw a fully loaded logging truck crest the ridge heading down on the road we'd traveled earlier. We'd been very, very lucky not to have met a truck while coming in and I crossed my fingers for continuing luck as we hit the mainline one more time. Repeating my earlier driving performance and good > > I'll save the details of these stops and only mention that for all the effort, these localities also proved not to yield any crystal treasures to me and my prying bar, but what the heck, it had been a beautiful day and it was great just to get out! And so, with my path now uncluttered by collecting expectations, we set out finally for home and began the long drive back to Port Angeles. > > Crossing the valley and again approaching the river, I wanted to see if the elk were still hanging about and was checking fields as I neared where I'd seen them earlier, I really needn't have bothered as upon rounding the next curve I noticed the road choked with stopped motorists gawking at the herd. And what a herd, if I'd been impressed with their numbers earlier in the morning when they were all lying down, now they were mostly up and milling about and boy, oh boy, was there a lot of elk in > > > > A herd of elk, a gaggle of geese and now a pod of whales, how fortunate it was to have chosen these localities among all the others to visit that day. In truth, I may not have found much crystal treasure, but after the inspiring sights of all the spectacular wildlife I was so fortunate to observe, I'll mark this down as one of my most satisfying field trips ever. I just thought this was so terrific that I wanted to share the experience with everyone! > > All the very best, take care, > > John > > - From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 18:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sat Jan 18 18:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] OOPS References: <008a01c2bf59$c318eb60$f846b6c7@rockman> <3E2A0D46.335E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E2A0E44.6813@rcn.com> OOOPS Sent by misss take GeorgiaO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 19:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 18 19:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Lava Junkie Gallery (a link to great volcano pictures) Message-ID: <3E2A1AE2.D2E@Tomaszewski.net> The Link-of-the-Day at UserFriendly today was to the Lava Junkie at http://www.lavajunkie.com/gallery.html You can almost feel the heat coming out of your monitor from these amazing pictures. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 18 23:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jan 18 23:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re Kitty / aloha Message-ID: Kitty Yes, you are politely correct, of course it "should" be...... just as your e mail should have been sent directly to me or Gary, instead of being sent to the group.. Just kidding : ) But hey, the world is far too full of shoulds and politically corrects. Also, perhaps the Pixie correspondences were useful / somewhat insightful and kind of fun to view, whereby others could see various lapidary equipment dealings, as it may be helpful to other rockhounds to learn a few hints about purchasing used equipment, which nearly every single serious rock will do at least once in their lapidary life.. Thanks for the tip though, I really was so busy lately that I did not realize I was responding to the list as well.. Appreciate, RnL --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 19 06:21:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 06:21:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] I wish you could have been there too! Message-ID: <8.32fa7d53.2b5c0e42@aol.com> Nice story. I think more members should post their experiences. (-: John Scully In a message dated 1/18/03 6:20:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, j&gcornish@tenforward.com writes: << Subj: [Rockhounds] I wish you could have been there too! Date: 1/18/03 6:20:02 PM Mountain Standard Time From: j&gcornish@tenforward.com (John Cornish) Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Hi Everyone, It's always a special day when through circumstance we find ourselves fortunate enough to unburden ourselves of life's oft times unsatisfying daily routine and we escape into the more satisfying world of our obsessions, at least I know this to be true for myself. With this thrill for freedom screaming in my ears, I hit the road for a bout of hoped for successful collecting. My plan had me covering 5 different localities while driving a circuit of over 300 miles. Buddy, my Labrador and Rottweiler mix accompanied me adventuring. Our first stop was to an old friend locality in Mason County, Washington. Zeolite's and associates are the hoped for treasures here and I'd come prepared with an arsenal of collecting tools. With the miles speeding quickly past, we soon approached the little side road leading from the black top into the quarry. This road is usually gated, but as we approached I was thrilled to see the gate open and access unbarred. With my spirit soaring, we drove the last 2 miles into the quarry. In the quarry I was surprised to encounter a front end loader loading crushed gravels into two waiting dump trucks. I'd been fortunate not to have encountered the trucks on the road coming in as these types of backwoods logging roads are notoriously narrow and sharp-curved which can offer some fairly unsettling encounters between motorists on occasion! I pulled over far to the side away from the operations. Soon afterwards with tools in hand, Buddy and I set out to recon the area away from the equipment. This yielded very little favorable rock and we were quickly back down to the working level of the pit. With this my only option, I put Buddy into the truck to his extreme dissatisfaction and then made my way over to the loader and its operator for a chat. The operator proved to be a fellow whom I'd met before and he was comfortable with my being there, saying only to give him plenty of room. No problems there! Quickly, I set about making my round and on the west wall furthest from where he was working I found a favorable looking spot and soon worked into a nice little pocket. The pockets from this locality are found within the interiors of pillow basalt and predominantly yields crystals of the mineral natrolite. This pocket indeed contained natrolite, but more importantly, it additionally yielded a beautiful undamaged loose penetration twinned light-yellow colored calcite crystal about 1 1/2 by 1 1/2 x 1 inches which is a real keeper for the locality being quite attractive and gemmy. The natrolite from this pocket, as unfortunately so many of the pockets from this locality are, was partially covered by deeply penetrating sediments which had filtered down through cracks in the rock. While it often prevents the natrolite from being recovered as fine specimens, it often coats calcite to some extent with an easily cleaned away protective covering. As I pulled this piece from the pocket, more trucks rumbled into the quarry. With this unsettling distraction roaring away behind me and Buddy in the truck incessantly barking his opinion, it was kind of nerve-wracking. Quieting down the distractions as much as I was able mentally, I settled back into collecting and soon had finished the pocket. Additionally to the calcite, I found another smaller penetration twinned calcite on matrix, but it'll require lots of TLC if it's going to be worthy and then that was it, I gathered up my tools, waved a goodbye and headed for locality # 2. This place was more then an hour away, but was known only to me and a handful of others and as such, if it had been worked since my last visit, it may actually have some collection potential. My fingers were crossed. Turning off the highway, which we'd accessed after miles of back roads, we crossed the Chehalis River and were again driving through rural farming communities. I've always enjoyed this drive as it's very peaceful and rambling, being miles from anywhere really, and was half daydreaming when it dawned on me that the cow herd opposite of me just didn't look right. I slowed way down and focused, coming fully awake with the knowledge that they weren't cows, but were rather an extremely large herd of Roosevelt Elk! They lay in the back of the field furthest from the road with only a few individuals up and walking about. It was hard to count, but there seemed to be between 70 and 100 head in the herd. This is the biggest elk herd I've ever seen and how terrific to see them in an area where they were so completely unexpected. Their breath rose around them in soft swirling clouds as I watched and thought how cool, how cool. After several minutes we set off again and soon approached the turn-off from the blacktop leading into the woods to the quarry. There was lots of fresh clotted mud on the road showing the obvious signs of fresh heavy traffic. This could only mean one thing, they were hauling logs or rocks from the woods and they would be doing so oblivious to the fact that I was coming into their domain. As I mentioned earlier, the logging roads I travel are often very narrow and can be real hair-raising places to travel if your timing throws you onto the same stretch of road going one way with a logging truck coming at you from the other, and this road, it was all steep and full of blind curves. Oh lucky me! Steeling myself, I turned onto the dirt with bloodless fingers clutching the steering wheel. We hauled booty down the open stretches and slowed to a crawl while listening out the open window as we approached blind curves. This was a drive I wanted behind me, and soon! Finally, after seemingly forever, I very satisfyingly exhaled while turning off the mainline and onto the spur road leading to our next locality. No one seemed to have visited since my last trip other then gun enthusiasts as the littered, shredded plastic containers and other garbage spread all about so dramatically and characteristically attested. Undaunted, I grabbed my tools and was soon prying apart the walls in hopes of discovering treasure. For all of my efforts I did manage one small pocket, but it was weathered and trashed and not a recoverable specimen was to be found therein. Steadily I continued working before pausing as my next wildlife experience approached. Over the noise I was making, I began hearing loud discordant voices, I searched about before finally noticing an approaching monstrous flock of geese majestically flying overhead. They flew obliviously by, probably never knowing I was down so far below them. I watched for several minutes, physically and mentally relaxing until they were gone from sight. Their calls still faintly heard in the breeze. A nice reflective moment. I worked there without further incident for another hour and then was all too soon back on the road again heading towards our next stops. Before leaving though, while working in the pit, I heard and then saw a fully loaded logging truck crest the ridge heading down on the road we'd traveled earlier. We'd been very, very lucky not to have met a truck while coming in and I crossed my fingers for continuing luck as we hit the mainline one more time. Repeating my earlier driving performance and good fortune, I was soon thrilled and off the dirt road back on the blacktop and heading towards stops # 3-5. I'll save the details of these stops and only mention that for all the effort, these localities also proved not to yield any crystal treasures to me and my prying bar, but what the heck, it had been a beautiful day and it was great just to get out! And so, with my path now uncluttered by collecting expectations, we set out finally for home and began the long drive back to Port Angeles. Crossing the valley and again approaching the river, I wanted to see if the elk were still hanging about and was checking fields as I neared where I'd seen them earlier, I really needn't have bothered as upon rounding the next curve I noticed the road choked with stopped motorists gawking at the herd. And what a herd, if I'd been impressed with their numbers earlier in the morning when they were all lying down, now they were mostly up and milling about and boy, oh boy, was there a lot of elk in that field. This was beyond doubt the largest herd of elk I've ever seen, I stopped counting after 130 animals! What an impressive sight. We'd been driving for about an hour and a half from where I'd seen the elk and were now following the highway paralleling Hood Canal along the eastern flanks of the Olympic Mountains when up ahead I spotted another large group of gawking folks parked along the road. They were all starring towards the waters of the Canal and I thought to myself, now what the heck's up here? I slowed way down to a crawl and cast my eyes waterward and was soon amazed to see spouts of water being ejected from a transient pod of Orca, Killer Whales that had come into the Canal several weeks before to the delight of the locals hunting harbor seals. Their fins cleaved the water gracefully as they slowly swam towards the north and it was just fantastic. A herd of elk, a gaggle of geese and now a pod of whales, how fortunate it was to have chosen these localities among all the others to visit that day. In truth, I may not have found much crystal treasure, but after the inspiring sights of all the spectacular wildlife I was so fortunate to observe, I'll mark this down as one of my most satisfying field trips ever. I just thought this was so terrific that I wanted to share the experience with everyone! All the very best, take care, John >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 19 10:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jan 19 10:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Lava Junkie Gallery (a link to great volcano pictures) References: <3E2A1AE2.D2E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <008501c2bfe9$75b9ef00$c91dbed8@powertech.net> Wow, Kreigh, these are fantastic! I hope he is going to publish these aws a book, or something! margaret > The Link-of-the-Day at UserFriendly today was to the Lava Junkie at > > http://www.lavajunkie.com/gallery.html > > You can almost feel the heat coming out of your monitor from these > amazing pictures. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 19 12:33:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jan 19 12:33:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Lava Junkie Gallery (a link to great volcano pictures) In-Reply-To: <3E2A1AE2.D2E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030118200315.0230cec0@mail.aloha.net> The Link-of-the-Day at UserFriendly today was to the Lava Junkie at > http://www.lavajunkie.com/gallery.html > >You can almost feel the heat coming out of your monitor from these >amazing pictures. I agree---great pictures! I'm used to checking the USGS site every day ( http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html ) and I especially like two things about that site: pictures can be shown at enlarged size that almost fill the screen (and can be printed at about 5" x 8"), and they have dates and times. But Lava Junkie's pics are truly worthy of being in a gallery---works of art! The lavajunkie site gives some definitions of what a Lava Junkie is, and I can say I almost became one. I sent reports of Bill's and my lava visits last fall, and Kreigh kindly posted those accounts and some of our not-very-good pictures on his site ( http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/FieldTrips.shtml ), but I didn't mention that I found myself almost compelled to go back twice more. I felt drawn, like in the movie "Close Encounters." Once I drove all the way down there, walked to where the pavement ends, and just looked at the laze plume in the distance and listened to people talk as they started out, and as they came back. I didn't even try to get to where I could see the lava. I just stood there absorbing the barren landscape, smelling the sulfur, feeling the heat from recent but somewhat cooled flows, and hearing the occasional crash and sputter of surf meeting hot liquid rock. Here's a scrap of conversation I heard: "It's not as active today." "Yeah, it was awesome last night." "Were you here last night?...that's right, you had on the white jacket, right?" "Right. Last night was my third time. I woke up this morning and just decided I had to come back today." "Me too. I came to the island five days ago and this is my sixth trip to the lava. I can't explain it. It's just so awesome." Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 19 13:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jan 19 13:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? Message-ID: <1cd.439962.2b5c6ca4@aol.com> Thanks for the info, but topozone shows Frank Fulton Canyon Road to the SW of Biggs and the point where the Fulton Canyon Road seems to intersect the creek in Fulton Canyon is due south of Biggs. The creek does veer off and enters the Columbia River SW of Biggs. Using the 16 points of the compass or degrees from west or south, or latitude/longitude, what is the distance and bearing of the mine from Biggs? Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 19 14:06:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Jan 19 14:06:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? In-Reply-To: <1cd.439962.2b5c6ca4@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030119140430.0145c888@mail.spiritone.com> No, you are in the wrong canyon lol. It is at the mouth of FULTON CANYON at the Columbia River. I didn't notice the Frank in front of Fulton in your last post... At 04:03 PM 1/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for the info, but topozone shows Frank Fulton Canyon Road to the SW of >Biggs and the point where the Fulton Canyon Road seems to intersect the creek >in Fulton Canyon is due south of Biggs. The creek does veer off and enters >the Columbia River SW of Biggs. Using the 16 points of the compass or degrees >from west or south, or latitude/longitude, what is the distance and bearing >of the mine from Biggs? > >Van >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 19 23:44:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jan 19 23:44:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (OT) natural phenomena Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030119180847.029e63b0@mail.aloha.net> 1) Fires: G'day, Ozzies. We extend our sympathies to those affected by the horrific fires in Canberra, and also for the long drought you folks have been suffering from (excuse me: from which you have been suffering). We sincerely hope things will improve soon. 2) Hole in Lake: Greetings, Minnesotans. What weird stuff is going on with that lake at Brainerd???!!! According to news reports there is a mysterious large hole in North Long Lake that refuses to freeze, though the rest of the lake has 15-inch-thick ice that people drive cars on (excuse me: on which people drive cars). Scientists haven't provided any explanations. 3) Weather: Hey, all you freezing "Northern Forty-Nine" folks. Bill and I just have to gloat that Hawaii is the only state in The Union that does not have some place registering below freezing today. Since tomorrow is a holiday, we're heading for a warm beach to swim at (excuse me: beach at which to swim). [Wasn't it Churchill who responded to a correction on ending a sentence with a preposition by saying, "That is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I shall not put!" ?] Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 07:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jan 20 07:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester Symposium 2003? Message-ID: <20030120154937.ZJAH22024.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc37> Hi all, I see conflicting dates posted for Rochester this year, and the link to their web page is broken. I heard that literature went out, but I haven't received any; I wrote to Steve and Helen Chamberlain but haven't received a response yet. Any scoop? Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 08:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Mon Jan 20 08:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester Symposium 2003? Message-ID: <200301201643.h0KGhMC21334@mail.his.com> The Rochester Mineralogical Symposium is Apr. 3-6. Cathy RMS Exhibits Co-Chair From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 16:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Jan 20 16:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grand Canyon GIS coverages? Message-ID: Anybody know where I can find GIS geology / stratigraphy layers for the Grand Canyon? I've checked the USGS and NPS websites, and not found what I was looking for. Need data layers on geology (DLGs? .a00 coverages) that I can import to ArcView. Have access to ArcGIS to do any manipulation / transposing that needs to be done. Doing my geologic time / relative age dating lab for my G205 lab students this week. I run two sections; a traditional map and airphoto section, and one that utilizes GIS (ArcView) and the Internet. Thanks, y'all. -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 17:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Mon Jan 20 17:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grand Canyon National ParkSmall-Scale Base GIS Data Message-ID: <3E2CA64F.1288@rcn.com> http://www.nps.gov/gis/metadata/water_resources/grca.html __..--..__ HELLO DOES THIS HELP?? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 17:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Mon Jan 20 17:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Critique of ICR's Grand Canyon Dating Project Message-ID: <3E2CA6D5.4716@rcn.com> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-science.html __..--..__ HELLO 'GIN DOES THIS HELP?? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 18:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Jan 20 18:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grand Canyon National ParkSmall-Scale Base GIS Data In-Reply-To: <3E2CA64F.1288@rcn.com> Message-ID: Close, but not quite there. The coverages are in Arc, but it's missing the geology layer (I saw this one earlier). Thanks, though. All leads are appreciated! Aaron > http://www.nps.gov/gis/metadata/water_resources/grca.html > > __..--..__ > HELLO > > DOES THIS HELP?? > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 18:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Liz) Date: Mon Jan 20 18:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #360 - 6 msgs References: <20030121020002.4722.40621.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3E2CAF43.7070204@qeeg.com> > > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:56:09 -1000 >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >Subject: [Rockhounds] (OT) natural phenomena >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > 2) Hole in Lake: Greetings, Minnesotans. What weird stuff is going on >with that lake at Brainerd???!!! According to news reports there is a >mysterious large hole in North Long Lake that refuses to freeze, though the >rest of the lake has 15-inch-thick ice that people drive cars on (excuse >me: on which people drive cars). Scientists haven't provided any >explanations. > > Greetings from the tundra! Speculation ranges from water flows emerging from the aquifer to that strange, red glowing object that was sighted entering the lake from the window of one of the several waterfront bars... I'm hoping for at least a little hotspot from the mantle. We could use a volcano in Brainerd, tourist business is down due to lack of decent snow cover this year. Aloha you too! John Edina MN(2 hours southeast of Brainerd, nice base to plan an expedition to the Brainerd volcano) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 18:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jan 20 18:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? Message-ID: Thanks for the heads-up. The maps at topozone didn't show both canyons until you push the map around a bit. Who'd a thought there were two Fulton Canyons side by side? As the locality is so close to Miller why isn't the material called Miller jasper? Is Biggs that much bigger? (Oh. That must be why they call it Biggs?) Again thanks for the help. Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jan 20 19:50:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jan 20 19:50:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030120194837.01488be8@mail.spiritone.com> Miller Island is in the middle of the Columbia River across form the canyon. There is no town of "Miller". The jasper was first discovered about 2.5 miles south of Biggs... At 09:42 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for the heads-up. The maps at topozone didn't show both canyons until >you push the map around a bit. Who'd a thought there were two Fulton Canyons >side by side? As the locality is so close to Miller why isn't the material >called Miller jasper? Is Biggs that much bigger? (Oh. That must be why they >call it Biggs?) Again thanks for the help. > >Van >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 21 07:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Tue Jan 21 07:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grand Canyon GIS coverages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030121155136.46651.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Try contacting the Geologic Deparment at Northern Arizona U. in Flagstaff. There are a number of of Geo peoples working on the GC and may have the data you want and will share it with you. I have not gone to NAU for 15 years but they may have stuff like that now and that is the closest U. to the GC --- Aaron Fox wrote: > Anybody know where I can find GIS geology / > stratigraphy layers for the > Grand Canyon? I've checked the USGS and NPS > websites, and not found what I > was looking for. Need data layers on geology (DLGs? > .a00 coverages) that > I can import to ArcView. Have access to ArcGIS to > do any manipulation / > transposing that needs to be done. > > Doing my geologic time / relative age dating lab for > my G205 lab students > this week. I run two sections; a traditional map and > airphoto section, and > one that utilizes GIS (ArcView) and the Internet. > > Thanks, y'all. > > -- > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (713) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 21 09:05:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Jan 21 09:05:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grand Canyon GIS coverages? References: Message-ID: <000d01c2c16e$c71e24c0$b31cbed8@powertech.net> > Anybody know where I can find GIS geology / stratigraphy layers for the > Grand Canyon? I've checked the USGS and NPS websites, and not found what I > was looking for. Need data layers on geology (DLGs? .a00 coverages) that > I can import to ArcView. Have access to ArcGIS to do any manipulation / > transposing that needs to be done. They wouldn't have this information on their website. What you need to do is contact (personally) the GIS specialist at Grand Canyon N.P. (Like on the phone). And make arrangements with him/her. margaret > > Doing my geologic time / relative age dating lab for my G205 lab students > this week. I run two sections; a traditional map and airphoto section, and > one that utilizes GIS (ArcView) and the Internet. > > Thanks, y'all. > > -- > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 21 12:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Tue Jan 21 12:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcocite Message-ID: <200301212023.h0LKNSB25138@mail.his.com> Does anyone know if the chalcocites in Bristol, CT were formed above or below 105 degrees Celsius? There is a particularly famous Bristol Chalcocite, does anyone know were it resides or in what crystal system it is? Thanks, Cathy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 21 14:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jan 21 14:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for the adress of David New Message-ID: Hi all, Does someone have the actual adress (postal adress, fax-#, or even e-mail adress...) of David New, a mineral dealer who lived formerly in Montana, and moved later on (actually at least 20 years ago...) West to Washington or Oregon ? He was the first dealer I ever bought minerals from, back in 1972 or so. Last time I talked to him was at the Tucson Main Show 3 years ago. Thanks for any information. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 21 15:30:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John A. Jaszczak) Date: Tue Jan 21 15:30:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for the adress of David New In-Reply-To: from "Rik Dillen" at Jan 21, 2003 11:09:20 PM Message-ID: <200301212329.SAA03676@phy.mtu.edu> David's email used to be carbon@cnw.com last I communicated with him about a year ago. John > > Hi all, > > Does someone have the actual adress (postal adress, fax-#, or even e-mail > adress...) of David New, a mineral dealer who lived formerly in Montana, and > moved later on (actually at least 20 years ago...) West to Washington or > Oregon ? He was the first dealer I ever bought minerals from, back in 1972 > or so. Last time I talked to him was at the Tucson Main Show 3 years ago. > > Thanks for any information. > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show > 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 21 17:36:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Teresa Otis) Date: Tue Jan 21 17:36:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grand Canyon GIS coverages? helpful links References: <20030121155136.46651.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E2DF5B1.DC55EA14@earthlink.net> Aaron, My curiousity was up on your question; so I went to Google and typed Grand Canyon stratigraphy and NAU (Northern Arizona University) and found this link. Admittedly I don't really understand exactly what you are looking for; however, this link may prove helpful. There are tons of Arizona geologic information links at this page. http://math.cochise.cc.az.us/People/faculty/wellerr/azgeo.html This second link is from minutes regarding Coconino County Community Development and covers some of the things you were asking about and where the CCCD might obtain the information. It may be helpful to you. http://co.coconino.az.us/commdevelopment/plan/pdf/SAG041102mm.pdf hope this helps, Teresa Otis Stephen stover wrote: > > Try contacting the Geologic Deparment at Northern > Arizona U. in Flagstaff. There are a number of of Geo > peoples working on the GC and may have the data you > want and will share it with you. > > I have not gone to NAU for 15 years but they may have > stuff like that now and that is the closest U. to the > GC > > --- Aaron Fox wrote: > > Anybody know where I can find GIS geology / > > stratigraphy layers for the > > Grand Canyon? I've checked the USGS and NPS > > websites, and not found what I > > was looking for. Need data layers on geology (DLGs? > > .a00 coverages) that > > I can import to ArcView. Have access to ArcGIS to > > do any manipulation / > > transposing that needs to be done. > > > > Doing my geologic time / relative age dating lab for > > my G205 lab students > > this week. I run two sections; a traditional map and > > airphoto section, and > > one that utilizes GIS (ArcView) and the Internet. > > > > Thanks, y'all. > > > > -- > > afox@drizzle.com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > > GnuPG Public Key Available upon Request > > "Disinformation is not as good as datinformation..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ===== > Stephen F. Stover > PH (713) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 22 02:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Wed Jan 22 02:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for the adress of David New References: Message-ID: <000201c2c203$2fcdc4a0$d74227c4@horstspc> Hi Rick, I have an OLD address of David New - P.O. Box 7, Mukilteo, Washington 98275, but I presume this is not his latest address. Regards, Horsdt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for the adress of David New > Hi all, > > Does someone have the actual adress (postal adress, fax-#, or even e-mail > adress...) of David New, a mineral dealer who lived formerly in Montana, and > moved later on (actually at least 20 years ago...) West to Washington or > Oregon ? He was the first dealer I ever bought minerals from, back in 1972 > or so. Last time I talked to him was at the Tucson Main Show 3 years ago. > > Thanks for any information. > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show > 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 22 08:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Jan 22 08:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcocite References: <200301212023.h0LKNSB25138@mail.his.com> Message-ID: <004f01c2c230$9576ba00$0baf5a0c@fekib> ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Gaber To: rockhounds Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcocite > Does anyone know if the chalcocites in Bristol, CT were formed above or > below 105 degrees Celsius? There is a particularly famous Bristol > Chalcocite, does anyone know were it resides or in what crystal system it > is? > > Thanks, Cathy > _______________________________________________ Cathy; The Bristol deposit is generally thought to be of supergene enrichment. It occurred at a shallow depth, associated with other sulphides, and quartz. It was first studied by Silliman of Yale, in 1855, and subsequently by Bateman in 1923. The site is destroyed now, mostly filled in, covered over and paved and is owned by a construction company, I believe. I was fortunate enough to have collected there in the early 1960's, recovering massive chalcocite. The best known crystal specimen having been saved was owned by Dave Wilber, Larry Conklin, and John Barlow, in that order (see Rocks and Minerals, Vol.70, No.6, for an excellent photo). I don't know it's present ownership. As to crystal system, Bateman described it as being pseudo-hexagonal, Dana says it is orthorhombic, and others have placed it in the monoclinic. Again, the R&M article by Bob Cook gives a good short summary. Larry Rush From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 22 16:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 22 16:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for the adress of David New References: Message-ID: <3E2F358A.61EE@Tomaszewski.net> www.whitepages.com lists a David New at PO Box 278, Anacortes, WA 98221 with phone # 360-293-2255. There is also a David and Darlina New at 917 Liberty St, Belingham, WA, 98225 with phone # 360-733-7644. Good luck! Rik Dillen wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does someone have the actual adress (postal adress, fax-#, or even e-mail > adress...) of David New, a mineral dealer who lived formerly in Montana, and > moved later on (actually at least 20 years ago...) West to Washington or > Oregon ? He was the first dealer I ever bought minerals from, back in 1972 > or so. Last time I talked to him was at the Tucson Main Show 3 years ago. > > Thanks for any information. > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show > 10-11 May 2003 - Handelsbeurs - Meir - Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 23 11:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jan 23 11:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: SAuktown Sales- microminerals Message-ID: <001201c2c315$7c018880$565204d0@jim> We've added a lot of new material to our price list. Included are = Tsumebite and Brochantite from the Reward Mine, San Bernardino Co., CA = and some very interesting phosphates from the Palermo #1 Mine in New = Hampshire, including Rockbridgeite and Scorzalite crystals, and = different habits of Strunzite and Goyazite. There's a lot more Palermo material still to be added. Keep watching the = website for new additions over the next few weeks. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 23 15:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Thu Jan 23 15:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sanmartinite inquiry Message-ID: <001001c2c335$0ca46aa0$32a2dccf@rockman> Hi All, A dear friend of mine has let me know of her interest in acquiring a = specimen of Sanmartinite. Personally, I'd not heard of the mineral prior = to her inquiry. She's contacted several dealers and was unable to find = it within their stocks, I thought that perhaps the group could offer a = specimen or potential lead. Thank you for taking the time. All the best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 23 22:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Thu Jan 23 22:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sanmartinite inquiry References: <001001c2c335$0ca46aa0$32a2dccf@rockman> Message-ID: <000f01c2c373$3ff3e8c0$294227c4@horstspc> Hi John, According to the "Encyclopedia of Minerals", Sanmartinite originally occurred with willemite as an alteration of scheelite in quartz vein in Los Cerrilos, 7 km south of San Martin, San Luis province, Argentina. So a likely source would possibly be some mineral collectors in South America, but it seems to be pretty rare. Regards, Horst O ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cornish" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:13 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Sanmartinite inquiry Hi All, A dear friend of mine has let me know of her interest in acquiring a specimen of Sanmartinite. Personally, I'd not heard of the mineral prior to her inquiry. She's contacted several dealers and was unable to find it within their stocks, I thought that perhaps the group could offer a specimen or potential lead. Thank you for taking the time. All the best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 06:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 24 06:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question Message-ID: <1d7.b2b0eb.2b62a0dd@aol.com> Howdy: I read an article about earthquakes in Connecticut at http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_history.html it used the term "intensisty VIII" earthquake..I am wondering, is this the same as a richter scale measurement..does anyone know what it means? Thanks, -Ron http://www.hammerron.com/minerals --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 06:33:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 24 06:33:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question Message-ID: <187.14f8fb98.2b62a87d@aol.com> Don thanks for the speedy answer! In a message dated 1/24/2003 9:29:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, dvoorhees@sisd.net writes: > This sounds like a Mercali (sp) designation, based on the potential > destruction. I personally prefer this to the Richter, because a layman can > look at structures and what is broken and give a reasonable number. > > Don Voorhees > El Paso, Texas > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 08:39:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Fri Jan 24 08:39:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question In-Reply-To: <1d7.b2b0eb.2b62a0dd@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030124163809.82620.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> No it is not the same as the richter scale. The richter scale units are based off of the energy that was released when the EQ broke. The scale you are refering to is the Mar? (I cannot find the name) and it refers to the amount of damage that has been done to an area. where I is the least and VIII is the most. --- Hammerron@aol.com wrote: > Howdy: > > I read an article about earthquakes in Connecticut > at HREF="http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_history.html"> > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_history.html > it used > the term "intensisty VIII" earthquake..I am > wondering, is this the same as a > richter scale measurement..does anyone know what it > means? > > Thanks, > -Ron > http://www.hammerron.com/minerals > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (713) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 09:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri Jan 24 09:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question References: <20030124163809.82620.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E3176D4.000039.01172@anitaw.library.emory.edu> It's the "Mercalli Scale" as someone mentioned earlier.=0D See this website for more info:=0D =0D http://www.vep.city.victoria.bc.ca/Mercalli_Scale.ht=0D =0D Anita Westlake=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:39:49 AM=0D To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] earthquake question=0D =0D No it is not the same as the richter scale. The=0D richter scale units are based off of the energy that=0D was released when the EQ broke. The scale you are=0D refering to is the Mar? (I cannot find the name) and=0D it refers to the amount of damage that has been done=0D to an area. where I is the least and VIII is the=0D most.=0D =0D =0D --- Hammerron@aol.com wrote:=0D > Howdy:=0D > =0D > I read an article about earthquakes in Connecticut=0D > at =0D HREF=3D"http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_history.= html >=0D >=0D http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_history.html= =0D > it used =0D > the term "intensisty VIII" earthquake..I am=0D > wondering, is this the same as a =0D > richter scale measurement..does anyone know what it=0D > means?=0D > =0D > Thanks,=0D > -Ron=0D > http://www.hammerron.com/minerals=0D > =0D > =0D > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---=0D > multipart/alternative=0D > text/plain (text body -- kept)=0D > text/html=0D > ---=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D > Subscription Services:=0D > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =0D =0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D Stephen F. Stover=0D PH (713) 829-1102=0D xossfs@yahoo.com=0D =0D Wanting to hunt rocks =0D and play games every day!=0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 16:43:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jan 24 16:43:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:42:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, xossfs@yahoo.com writes: > No it is not the same as the richter scale. The > richter scale units are based off of the energy that > was released when the EQ broke. The scale you are > refering to is the Mar? (I cannot find the name) and > it refers to the amount of damage that has been done > to an area. where I is the least and VIII is the > most. > Actually, there are 12 intensity ratings based on the amount of destruction. You're right, the Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale is not the same as the Richter Scale. Here is the breakdown of how the Mercalli Scale is used without instruments based on one of my references. Hope this helps. Mark I. People do not feel any Earth movement. II. A few people might notice movement if they are at rest and/or on the upper floors of tall buildings. III. Many people indoors feel movement. Hanging objects swing back and forth. People outdoors might not realize that an earthquake is occurring. IV. Most people indoors feel movement. Hanging objects swing. Dishes, windows, and doors rattle. The earthquake feels like a heavy truck hitting the walls. A few people outdoors may feel movement. Parked cars rock. IV. Most people indoors feel movement. Hanging objects swing. Dishes, windows, and doors rattle. The earthquake feels like a heavy truck hitting the walls. A few people outdoors may feel movement. Parked cars rock. V. Almost everyone feels movement. Sleeping people are awakened. Doors swing open or close. Dishes are broken. Pictures on the wall move. Small objects move or are turned over. Trees might shake. Liquids might spill out of open containers. VI. Everyone feels movement. People have trouble walking. Objects fall from shelves. Pictures fall off walls. Furniture moves. Plaster in walls might crack. Trees and bushes shake. Damage is slight in poorly built buildings. No structural damage. VII. People have difficulty standing. Drivers feel their cars shaking. Some furniture breaks. Loose bricks fall from buildings. Damage is slight to moderate in well-built buildings; considerable in poorly built buildings. VIII. Drivers have trouble steering. Houses that are not bolted down might shift on their foundations. Tall structures such as towers and chimneys might twist and fall. Well-built buildings suffer slight damage. Poorly built structures suffer severe damage. Tree branches break. Hillsides might crack if the ground is wet. Water levels in wells might change. IX. Well-built buildings suffer considerable damage. Houses that are not bolted down move off their foundations. Some underground pipes are broken. The ground cracks. Reservoirs suffer serious damage. X. Most buildings and their foundations are destroyed. Some bridges are destroyed. Dams are seriously damaged. Large landslides occur. Water is thrown on the banks of canals, rivers, lakes. The ground cracks in large areas. Railroad tracks are bent slightly XI. Most buildings collapse. Some bridges are destroyed. Large cracks appear in the ground. Underground pipelines are destroyed. Railroad tracks are badly bent. XII. Almost everything is destroyed. Objects are thrown into the air. The ground moves in waves or ripples. Large amounts of rock may move. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 17:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cris DeWolf) Date: Fri Jan 24 17:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question References: <1d7.b2b0eb.2b62a0dd@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c2c3c0$36fd43e0$0e09020a@ws1> Ron- Intensity VIII is from the Modified Mercalli intensity scale (pg. 165 of Earth Science 9th ed, Tarbuck & Lutgens). This scale uses strength of the earthquake, distance from epicenter, nature of surface materials, and building design to describe how a quake affects a specific location. So it includes, but is not the same as, the Richter scale. Cris L. DeWolf President Michigan Earth Science Teachers Association ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question > Howdy: > > I read an article about earthquakes in Connecticut at > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_history.html it used > the term "intensisty VIII" earthquake..I am wondering, is this the same as a > richter scale measurement..does anyone know what it means? > > Thanks, > -Ron > http://www.hammerron.com/minerals > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 19:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 24 19:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sanmartinite inquiry References: <001001c2c335$0ca46aa0$32a2dccf@rockman> Message-ID: <3E308DA5.483D@Tomaszewski.net> John Cornish wrote: > > Hi All, > > A dear friend of mine has let me know of her interest in acquiring a specimen of Sanmartinite. Personally, I'd not heard of the mineral prior to her inquiry. She's contacted several dealers and was unable to find it within their stocks, I thought that perhaps the group could offer a specimen or potential lead. Thank you for taking the time. All the best, > > John Searching on the name at Google only came up with six pages of hits. Have you reviewed them for a possible specimen? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jan 24 20:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Greg Yeomans) Date: Fri Jan 24 20:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? References: <5.2.0.5.2.20030120194837.01488be8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <009201c2c42d$9057c9c0$110334d1@D3SBFG11> I may have missed it along the way, but has anyone described the exact directions to get to the Biggs jasper site, perhaps starting from the bridge? Also, how does the site work for rockhounds who want to get a sample for their collection? Do you need a guide, do you drive up, dig, then pay, or what? I have tried in the past to get in touch with the claim owner, and even knocked on his always open door, but he is hard of hearing, and always about, so making contact is tough. If this is redundant, perhaps someone can e-mail me off-list. Thanks in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Where is the Biggs' locality? > Miller Island is in the middle of the Columbia River across form the > canyon. There is no town of "Miller". The jasper was first discovered about > 2.5 miles south of Biggs... > > At 09:42 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Thanks for the heads-up. The maps at topozone didn't show both canyons until > >you push the map around a bit. Who'd a thought there were two Fulton Canyons > >side by side? As the locality is so close to Miller why isn't the material > >called Miller jasper? Is Biggs that much bigger? (Oh. That must be why they > >call it Biggs?) Again thanks for the help. > > > >Van > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 25 10:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Jan 25 10:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Tucson show update !! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030125191105.006ad4a0@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, There are sevral news on ItalianMinerals.com First of all we do think that the most important improvment is the quality of our photos. In fact we have a new camera, a Nikon, and using it we think that we have got the best results in showing the specimens! The secon thing is that we have prepared 5 pages of new specimens on our web site ! there are several species, common and unusual. There are tourmalines from Burma, gold from Romania, millerite from Italy, minyiulite from Italy, large gypsun crystals from Italy, and the rare SULVANITE from Carrara marble quarries, Italy ! and more on the other pages of our website, and obviously ..... more to come during the next week !!! Visit us at: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html or just goto: http://www.italianminerals.com We will be happy to have you visiting us ! ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 25 10:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Sat Jan 25 10:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sanmartinite inquiry References: <001001c2c335$0ca46aa0$32a2dccf@rockman> <3E308DA5.483D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00c501c2c4a2$6fc717e0$32a2dccf@rockman> Dear Kreigh and Horst, Thank you for your interest, I appreciate it. When my friend mentioned her desire to acquire this mineral and her unsuccessful attempts at procuring a sample, I thought to turn to the List. I may be putting more effort into this then she has, so the long and short of it, no, I have not attempted Google and do not know if she has either. With the wide ranging residence of the group and their far-flung interests, I thought what the heck, I'll just ask and see if there are any bites. Thank you both for your information and response. So everyone, one last call, anyone have an extra sanmartinite sitting in their cabinets gathering dust? All the very best to everyone, take care, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sanmartinite inquiry > John Cornish wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > A dear friend of mine has let me know of her interest in acquiring a specimen of Sanmartinite. Personally, I'd not heard of the mineral prior to her inquiry. She's contacted several dealers and was unable to find it within their stocks, I thought that perhaps the group could offer a specimen or potential lead. Thank you for taking the time. All the best, > > > > John > > Searching on the name at Google only came up with six pages of hits. > Have you reviewed them for a possible specimen? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 25 11:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Jan 25 11:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Tucson show update !! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030125200849.006d05fc@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, There are several news on ItalianMinerals.com First of all we do think that the most important improvment is the quality of our photos. In fact we have a new camera, a Nikon, and using it we think that we have got the best results in showing the specimens! The secon thing is that we have prepared 5 pages of new specimens on our web site ! there are several species, common and unusual. There are tourmalines from Burma, gold from Romania, millerite from Italy, minyiulite from Italy, large gypsun crystals from Italy, and the rare SULVANITE from Carrara marble quarries, Italy ! and more on the other pages of our website, and obviously ..... more to come during the next week !!! Visit us at: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew.html or just goto: http://www.italianminerals.com We will be happy to have you visiting us ! ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jan 25 22:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.) Date: Sat Jan 25 22:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question References: <1d7.b2b0eb.2b62a0dd@aol.com> Message-ID: <005f01c2c501$1f17fc60$ac5ce5d8@dell> About halfway through the article is a hypertext link on the word intensity. This takes you to a page that explains the Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/general/handouts/mercalli.html The USGS site also has an excellent illustrated glossary of earthquake-related terms: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/image_glossary/ Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquake question > Howdy: > > I read an article about earthquakes in Connecticut at > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/states/connecticut/connecticut_his tory.html it used > the term "intensisty VIII" earthquake..I am wondering, is this the same as a > richter scale measurement..does anyone know what it means? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jan 26 12:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jan 26 12:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Exceptional Franklin Minerals for sale Message-ID: <37.3302c95d.2b6598a8@aol.com> Hello List - This is an AD I have posted two exceptional items to my website, please see them at www.pyromorphite.com 1) a large Franklinite from Sterling Mine, Ogdensburg, featuring crystals to 2" on edge! 14 cm overall specimen 2) an exceptional, 50% pure large mass of brightly fluoresecent ESPERITE, 12 cm overall specimen Note that these are priced accordingly. Travel to www.pyromorphite.com and click on the Franklin link thanks, Jeff Weissman please respond to minphoto@aol.com or jeff@pyromorphite.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 28 09:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Tue Jan 28 09:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for graphite, coal Message-ID: <000c01c2c6f7$07fc6b40$81393442@t5k8i6> Hello All, Anyone bringing nice specimens if graphite or of coal to Tucson this = year? We're featuring diamond as our Mineral of the Month in March, and = one of our Club members suggested it would be nice if we could offer = carbon is a couple other of its forms. We'd love to see what you have = if, especially of you're coming to Tucson. Thanks! Richard Sittinger WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club 1770 Orville Avenue Cambria, CA 93428 805.927.2223 Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org www.mineralofthemonthclub.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 28 18:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rhonda Benson) Date: Tue Jan 28 18:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c2c4aa$6bdc9da0$67562e04@dslverizon.net> Hello, I am new to the hobby. I have figured, regular sand is what nature = uses, so why not for the tumbler. Is this a good idea? The grit I have = seen seems to be made of harder substances, and would make sense that it = would be better. I have discovered, that the sand seems to break down = very fast and turns very fine very fast, requiring frequent cleaning to = keep the abrasive qualities needed. I think I answered my own question, = but I thought I would ask anyways. Are the store bought grits better? John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 28 19:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jan 28 19:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <000801c2c4aa$6bdc9da0$67562e04@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <3E374BC8.2927@Tomaszewski.net> Rhonda Benson wrote: > > Hello, > > I am new to the hobby. I have figured, regular sand is what nature uses, so why not for the tumbler. Is this a good idea? The grit I have seen seems to be made of harder substances, and would make sense that it would be better. I have discovered, that the sand seems to break down very fast and turns very fine very fast, requiring frequent cleaning to keep the abrasive qualities needed. I think I answered my own question, but I thought I would ask anyways. Are the store bought grits better? Silicon Carbide (aka, Carbo or grit) is significantly better than softer materials like quartz. The Moh's Scale is not linear, and 9 is a LOT harder than 7. BTW, all grits break down over time, some faster than others, but they all can be recycled a few grades using elutriation. Nature uses sand, but over a longer period, and with constant replacement of the grit. I applaud your desire to experiment, but suggest keeping some notes so you can make good results reproducable. Store bought grits will have been graded and be more uniform than sand; you are more likely to get consistent results (and a good polish) from the prepared products. Look for alternative sources (online, hardware stores, etc.,) as they may be cheaper than a speciality store (bulk usually gives a big break, but it may be a lifetime supply). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jan 28 21:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jan 28 21:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/03 6:17:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, Scha.nopoly@verizon.net writes: > I have figured, regular sand is what nature uses, so why not for the > tumbler. Is this a good idea? > A few years ago I was making beads out of olive pits in my tumbler. After I ate the olives I dried the pits, then tumbled them in ordinary sand. However, I poured the sand through a fine sieve before using it. The olive pits are softer than most stone. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 29 06:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rocksndogs) Date: Wed Jan 29 06:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Illinois quarry's Message-ID: <000e01c2c79e$cb0bbee0$c864c343@computer> Hello everybody- I am a Boy Scout counselor, and the boys want to work = on their geology merit badge. One of the requirements is a visit to a = working quarry. Does anybody know of a quarry, in Illinois, that might = allow a field trip? Jody --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jan 29 11:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jan 29 11:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Illinois quarry's References: <000e01c2c79e$cb0bbee0$c864c343@computer> Message-ID: <000b01c2c7cb$5a4a4320$245204d0@jim> As a general rule, quarries in the midwest only allow field trips for clubs with proof of insurance. Where in Illinois are you located? ESCONI (Earth Science Club Of Northern Illinois) has a Junior group, and does run field trips. Check their website at www.esconi.org Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: rocksndogs To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Illinois quarry's > Hello everybody- I am a Boy Scout counselor, and the boys want to work on their geology merit badge. One of the requirements is a visit to a working quarry. Does anybody know of a quarry, in Illinois, that might allow a field trip? Jody > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jan 30 06:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jan 30 06:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from the Palermo #1 Mine Message-ID: <001001c2c868$8d6d4de0$4a5204d0@jim> The rest of the specimens from the lot of Palermo material has been = added to the price list. They include Palermoite, Goedkenite, = Schoonerite, Foggite, and much more. We'll be taking a little vacation soon. Orders received after Feb. 4 = won't be acknowledged or filled until about Feb. 26. Shortly after that, = though, we should have more Palermo material to list. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---