From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 1 23:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (relic hunter) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dirty Rockhounds Message-ID: Please come check out my new site ,its a free discussion forum for the Gem and Mineral collector. Trade Gems and Minerals with other collectors. Learn the how-to's of rockhounding and gold panning. If your a collector that still likes to get out and get dirty digging then this site is for you. http://www.dirtyrockhounds.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 1 23:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho References: <14092886-9329-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <3EDAE4B1.6030403@cox.net> Lanny, Superb report and great photos. Thank you very much for this Field Trip Report. I can just imagine John's. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 11:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: <4c.1d52f198.2c067179@aol.com> Message-ID: <7464F37F-951E-11D7-94BA-000393A96092@mac.com> i assumed that spot was well over worked, is that incorrect? KM On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > There are a lot of topaz from Topaz Mountain, UT that would work for > that. A > person can screen out hundreds in a few hours. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 11:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: <7464F37F-951E-11D7-94BA-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Kris, Don't let anyone tell you Topaz Mountain is "well over worked." It is a large piece of rock full of holes, should last a few more thousands of years. Certainly the crystals weathered out, exposed to the sun and faded to colorless are difficult to find, but grab a hammer and chisel and break some rock and the gemmy "sherry" color crystals pop out and jump into your pocket. Well, maybe it's harder to get them than that, but collecting topaz at Topaz Mountain only takes some work, like at most good localities. For those "rockhounds" who expect crystals to be lying around on the ground, in perfect condition, and abundant, then Topaz Mountain was worked out decades ago, as are nearly every mineral and lapidary locality in the USA. Topaz Mountain is one of my favorite localities, can't wait to get back. Wish it was going to be this year. Go there and have fun, just bring that 4 to 8 pound hammer and chisels and put them to good use. For those who aren't up to working that hard, some diligence and probing with a screwdriver and some light hammering can still bring success. Regards, Lanny On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:20 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > i assumed that spot was well over worked, is that incorrect? > KM > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > >> There are a lot of topaz from Topaz Mountain, UT that would work for >> that. A >> person can screen out hundreds in a few hours. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 12:30:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Mon Jun 2 11:30:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho References: <14092886-9329-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <3EDBAEC8.490FBE02@ix.netcom.com> Enjoyed the report, Lanny! Thanks! John Lanny wrote: > Hi John and all intersted list members, > > It was a long day, and too late for most of you, but I finally got > photos ready and a web page completed on the heulandite mining > operations of this week. I was down there Monday - Wednesday. John and > Fred are still down there, and they expect to complete their work this > weekend. > > Here are the urls to the reports on mining this year, the first is the > specific page of the new report, and the second is the main Challis > deposit page: > > http://www.mineralnews.com/challisimages/Challis2003.html > > http://www.mineralnews.com/Challis.html > > Anyone interested in specimens of some excellent heulandite and > mordenite contact John Cornish: j&gcornish@tenforward.com > > Don't be surprised if when he gets home and rested up that he comes up > with his own report. Afterall, the wind must have been roaring through > there steadily the last half of the week and I'm sure the temperature > must have zoomed to 95, afterall, that's the way the area seems to > greet John, giving him something to write about... . > > Regards, > > Lanny > > On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 03:51 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > > > Looking forward to them, Lanny. > > > > John > > > > Lanny wrote: > > > >> Greetings list members, > >> > >> I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where > >> John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite in > >> the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite > >> specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US > >> Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you > >> all > >> with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on > >> the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out of > >> a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while John > >> and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel jaws > >> of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John > >> and Fred)... > >> > >> Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from my > >> mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the > >> fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of > >> "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high > >> desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that > >> spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait until > >> tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need > >> to > >> get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has > >> the > >> opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to > >> do > >> on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens are > >> grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to > >> do > >> when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim > >> specimens! > >> > >> If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If > >> not, > >> ignore my message tomorrow. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lanny > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 13:45:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Armando Afonso) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:45:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Extremely fluorescent Ackmanite with Nepheline References: <14092886-9329-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> <3EDBAEC8.490FBE02@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <001101c3293e$4c529ea0$97e1fea9@1> I discovered a spot with very nice UV material. Basicaly this a Syenit from Portugal, and fluoresces in very bright orange, under LW ultraviolet light. Very aestetic. I swap it for something equivalent, in terms of quality. I expect interesting proposals. Alternatively I would sell the selected material (with 20 - 50 % of coverage) material for USD 30/Kg, plus shipment. I am in condition of suplying slabs to 1 meter wide. Regards. A. Afonso From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 14:36:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Jun 2 13:36:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7034B385-9539-11D7-94BA-000393A96092@mac.com> hmmm, thanks lannY! On this note, we shall stop by there next time, as i hafta go back to utah! If the book was right there is a lot more than just topaz there, also. Any other 'named' localities that I should check out whilst in the vicinity? Thanks in advancE! KM On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Lanny wrote: > Don't let anyone tell you Topaz Mountain is "well over worked." It is > a large piece of rock full of holes, should last a few more thousands > of years. Certainly the crystals weathered out, exposed to the sun and > faded to colorless are difficult to find, but grab a hammer and chisel > and break some rock and the gemmy "sherry" color crystals pop out and > jump into your pocket. Well, maybe it's harder to get them than that, > but collecting topaz at Topaz Mountain only takes some work, like at > most good localities. > > For those "rockhounds" who expect crystals to be lying around on the > ground, in perfect condition, and abundant, then Topaz Mountain was > worked out decades ago, as are nearly every mineral and lapidary > locality in the USA. > > Topaz Mountain is one of my favorite localities, can't wait to get > back. Wish it was going to be this year. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 19:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Friedman) Date: Mon Jun 2 18:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Another Set of Undergraduate Geology Courses Closing Message-ID: Hi Everyone, It's with a lot of sadness that I let you know that RMIT University in Melbourne, Australia has seen fit to stop all enrolments into 1st.year Geology and into 1st. year Geological Engineering courses from 2004. These courses will run out and maybe a new post-grad. course might start in 2005. The Geology course has been running continuously for roughly 50 years and was the premier applied course in Australia. The Geological engineering course always has full to more than full employment for it's Graduates. Enrolments are down in the Earth Sciences across Australia , just as employment is starting to improve from the slump in exploration but this isn't coinciding with student interest, RMIT finances and vision. David Friedman RMIT UNIVERSITY Department of Civil & Chemical Engineering Natural Resources Group Melbourne Victoria Australia From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 22:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Jun 2 21:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: <7034B385-9539-11D7-94BA-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <330374E6-957A-11D7-85C7-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Kris, Utah has a number of localities, but most of them I'm familiar with are for micros. There are the Dugway geodes just north of the Thomas Range at the SW edge of the Dugway Range. Some of these have very nice quartz including small quartz scepters. There is some fine magnetite and apatite at the iron mines just west of Cedar City, but good specimens are kind of difficult to find. And there is probably something I'm forgetting. Regards, Lanny On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 01:33 PM, Kris Murray wrote: > hmmm, thanks lannY! > On this note, we shall stop by there next time, as i hafta go back to > utah! If the book was right there is a lot more than just topaz there, > also. Any other 'named' localities that I should check out whilst in > the vicinity? > Thanks in advancE! > KM > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Lanny wrote: > >> Don't let anyone tell you Topaz Mountain is "well over worked." It is >> a large piece of rock full of holes, should last a few more thousands >> of years. Certainly the crystals weathered out, exposed to the sun >> and faded to colorless are difficult to find, but grab a hammer and >> chisel and break some rock and the gemmy "sherry" color crystals pop >> out and jump into your pocket. Well, maybe it's harder to get them >> than that, but collecting topaz at Topaz Mountain only takes some >> work, like at most good localities. >> >> For those "rockhounds" who expect crystals to be lying around on the >> ground, in perfect condition, and abundant, then Topaz Mountain was >> worked out decades ago, as are nearly every mineral and lapidary >> locality in the USA. >> >> Topaz Mountain is one of my favorite localities, can't wait to get >> back. Wish it was going to be this year. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 2 22:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Jun 2 21:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho In-Reply-To: <3EDBAEC8.490FBE02@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Thanks John and Teresa, and others, glad you enjoyed the report. I'm off again, going to look for new things east of Challis and east of Salmon. Must be something we don't know about out there... Lanny On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 01:08 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > Enjoyed the report, Lanny! Thanks! > > John > > Lanny wrote: > >> Hi John and all intersted list members, >> >> It was a long day, and too late for most of you, but I finally got >> photos ready and a web page completed on the heulandite mining >> operations of this week. I was down there Monday - Wednesday. John and >> Fred are still down there, and they expect to complete their work this >> weekend. >> >> Here are the urls to the reports on mining this year, the first is the >> specific page of the new report, and the second is the main Challis >> deposit page: >> >> http://www.mineralnews.com/challisimages/Challis2003.html >> >> http://www.mineralnews.com/Challis.html >> >> Anyone interested in specimens of some excellent heulandite and >> mordenite contact John Cornish: j&gcornish@tenforward.com >> >> Don't be surprised if when he gets home and rested up that he comes up >> with his own report. Afterall, the wind must have been roaring through >> there steadily the last half of the week and I'm sure the temperature >> must have zoomed to 95, afterall, that's the way the area seems to >> greet John, giving him something to write about... . >> >> Regards, >> >> Lanny >> >> On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 03:51 PM, John Stockwell wrote: >> >>> Looking forward to them, Lanny. >>> >>> John >>> >>> Lanny wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings list members, >>>> >>>> I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where >>>> John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite >>>> in >>>> the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite >>>> specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US >>>> Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you >>>> all >>>> with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on >>>> the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out >>>> of >>>> a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while >>>> John >>>> and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel >>>> jaws >>>> of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John >>>> and Fred)... >>>> >>>> Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from >>>> my >>>> mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the >>>> fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of >>>> "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high >>>> desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that >>>> spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait >>>> until >>>> tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need >>>> to >>>> get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has >>>> the >>>> opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to >>>> do >>>> on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens >>>> are >>>> grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to >>>> do >>>> when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim >>>> specimens! >>>> >>>> If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If >>>> not, >>>> ignore my message tomorrow. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Lanny >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>> Subscription Services: >>>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/enriched >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 3 10:35:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:35:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho References: Message-ID: <3EDCE570.34C73C79@ix.netcom.com> Lanny, Keep your eyes open for thundereggs. And send me one (at my expense). Good prospecting! John Lanny wrote: > Thanks John and Teresa, and others, glad you enjoyed the report. I'm > off again, going to look for new things east of Challis and east of > Salmon. Must be something we don't know about out there... > > Lanny > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 01:08 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > > > Enjoyed the report, Lanny! Thanks! > > > > John > > > > Lanny wrote: > > > >> Hi John and all intersted list members, > >> > >> It was a long day, and too late for most of you, but I finally got > >> photos ready and a web page completed on the heulandite mining > >> operations of this week. I was down there Monday - Wednesday. John and > >> Fred are still down there, and they expect to complete their work this > >> weekend. > >> > >> Here are the urls to the reports on mining this year, the first is the > >> specific page of the new report, and the second is the main Challis > >> deposit page: > >> > >> http://www.mineralnews.com/challisimages/Challis2003.html > >> > >> http://www.mineralnews.com/Challis.html > >> > >> Anyone interested in specimens of some excellent heulandite and > >> mordenite contact John Cornish: j&gcornish@tenforward.com > >> > >> Don't be surprised if when he gets home and rested up that he comes up > >> with his own report. Afterall, the wind must have been roaring through > >> there steadily the last half of the week and I'm sure the temperature > >> must have zoomed to 95, afterall, that's the way the area seems to > >> greet John, giving him something to write about... . > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lanny > >> > >> On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 03:51 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > >> > >>> Looking forward to them, Lanny. > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> Lanny wrote: > >>> > >>>> Greetings list members, > >>>> > >>>> I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where > >>>> John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite > >>>> in > >>>> the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite > >>>> specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US > >>>> Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you > >>>> all > >>>> with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on > >>>> the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out > >>>> of > >>>> a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while > >>>> John > >>>> and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel > >>>> jaws > >>>> of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John > >>>> and Fred)... > >>>> > >>>> Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from > >>>> my > >>>> mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the > >>>> fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of > >>>> "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high > >>>> desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that > >>>> spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait > >>>> until > >>>> tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need > >>>> to > >>>> get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has > >>>> the > >>>> opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to > >>>> do > >>>> on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens > >>>> are > >>>> grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to > >>>> do > >>>> when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim > >>>> specimens! > >>>> > >>>> If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If > >>>> not, > >>>> ignore my message tomorrow. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Lanny > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>>> Subscription Services: > >>>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>> Subscription Services: > >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/enriched > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 3 17:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 3 16:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Message-ID: <1c5.9ec1358.2c0e8d62@aol.com> In a message dated 6/2/03 1:36:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kriswmurray1@mac.com writes: > ! If the book was right there is a lot more than just topaz there, > also. Any other 'named' localities that I should check out whilst in > the vicinity? > Anybody that goes to Topaz Mountain this late in the summer is in for a real treat. You'll get a preview of what most Christian's think awaits sinners. The heat is intolerable. But if you are there in the fall or spring, when mammalian types can survive, the ground in the cove is littered with clear topaz. And as somebody mentioned, if you beat on the mountain with a hammer and chisel you can find color, including the occasional red beryl. West of Delta about 10 miles then south about 5 or 10 miles is Sunstone Knoll. It is well marked and in all the guide books. The same rule applies at both places. Walk into the sun at early morning or late afternoon. Beat the rocks with a hammer and look for shiney crystals in the new breaks. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 02:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Thu Jun 5 01:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt's Memorial at Ventura Rock and Mineral Show Message-ID: <3EDEFD9A.3050306@cox.net> Friends, There will be a table in Walt's honor at the show. Walt's daughter Koral will be there some of the time. For any of you who have wanted to leave a token of your appreciation of Walt, there will be a donation box at the table. Walt's wife Martha and his son Pepe are in financial distress at this time and anything will be appreciated. I know you have opened your hearts to this sudden and unexpected tragedy. There is a bit more you can do. Koral is still trying to set up a trust fund, but there are complications not yet cleared up. Thank you for any thing you are able to help with. Gratefully, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 08:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC) Date: Thu Jun 5 07:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Message-ID: Lanny: I agree with your assessment of Topaz Mountain, but I will disagree to a small extent about the float Topaz. Two years ago, I spent a day and a half at Topaz Mountain. The first day, I broke rock and found some (to me wonderful) sherry topaz which I still keep away from sunlight. Meanwhile my sons and wife puttered around and picked up quite a few small topaz crystals below the most obvious diggings. OK, Day two and I spent some time with my sons following the drainage paths below various diggings and sifting the sand (crushed rock) caught in holes and rocks. We found more topaz crystals in two hours than I found all the previous day, many with better form. None were sherry for sunny reasons. Why Topaz is still found as float is obvious. When one smashes into a vug and finds the Topaz, there is a desire to leave most of the rock behind and to take a small piece of the rock with the vug home... Only, if one forgets to stuff a hanky or paper towel into the vug, one will quickly discover that the Topaz left the vug during the rock breaking. These Topaz escapees quickly follow terrain and end up at some lower spot. On another note, later in day two as we were trying to locate one of the garnet fields described in the Topaz Mountain book (www.gemandmineral.com), my wife spotted something shiny in a dry gully and proceeded to pick up more topaz from the sand. We were several miles from the official Topaz Mountain site. Yes, Topaz mountain is still has huge potential for Topaz. I also agree with Lanny, on his choice of tools. A 3 pound plus hammer, chisel and screwdriver are the most used. Sadly, I will not be there this year either. Maybe next year! I do plan to try a couple of the Herkimer NY Quartz crystal mines in another couple of weeks. Maybe, I'll have a trip report to file then. Happy digging! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: Lanny [mailto:lanny@mineralnews.com] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Topaz Hi Kris, Don't let anyone tell you Topaz Mountain is "well over worked." It is a large piece of rock full of holes, should last a few more thousands of years. Certainly the crystals weathered out, exposed to the sun and faded to colorless are difficult to find, but grab a hammer and chisel and break some rock and the gemmy "sherry" color crystals pop out and jump into your pocket. Well, maybe it's harder to get them than that, but collecting topaz at Topaz Mountain only takes some work, like at most good localities. For those "rockhounds" who expect crystals to be lying around on the ground, in perfect condition, and abundant, then Topaz Mountain was worked out decades ago, as are nearly every mineral and lapidary locality in the USA. Topaz Mountain is one of my favorite localities, can't wait to get back. Wish it was going to be this year. Go there and have fun, just bring that 4 to 8 pound hammer and chisels and put them to good use. For those who aren't up to working that hard, some diligence and probing with a screwdriver and some light hammering can still bring success. Regards, Lanny On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:20 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > i assumed that spot was well over worked, is that incorrect? > KM > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > >> There are a lot of topaz from Topaz Mountain, UT that would work for >> that. A >> person can screen out hundreds in a few hours. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 09:41:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Travis Douglas Cuprak) Date: Thu Jun 5 08:41:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moving to CA Message-ID: Hi All, Now that I've graduated from college, I'm moving from the east coast out to El Segundo, CA (just southwest of LA) to work for Raytheon. Since I won't be pulling all-nighters in the lab any more, I'll finally have more time to pursue this little geology hobby of mine. I was hoping to join a club out there and was wondering if you fine folks had any suggestions to get me started. I know that there are websites where I can look up rock clubs, but I'm hoping that if someone had an outstanding experience with a particular club, they would be able to grace me with their knowledge. Also, if I still have your attention, I figure this is a good time to tell how I actually got interested in geology/rocks. My grandfather's brother, Colin Campbell, started it all. From my understanding, he was a full-blown rockhound and gold panner. He got my grandfather, Douglas Campbell, interested in the hobby. My grandfather started collecting rocks from his travels to California, Oregon and Washington (he lived in North Dakota). Then, my parents bought him a Thumler's Tumbler (dual 3 lb barrels) and he started tumbling away. I remember when I was little and we'd visit- my grandfather would always give us a small box filled with cold, shiny rocks. I thought they were the coolest things, and I still have them. When his arthritis got worse, he couldn't use the tumbler any more, so he gave it back to my parents and it sat in our basement with several containers of grit for many years. One day when I was a teenager, I decided to read the instruction book that came with it and decided it didn't look too difficult. After botching several loads, I finaly got the method right and I've been tumbling since. With my limited knowledge in geology I still consider myself a beginner rockhound, but I've been following this list for a year and I've learned a lot just from reading the emails and keeping my Audobon Field Guide nearby so I can see what you're talking about. I hope that I'll be able to learn even more when I join a club and am able to go on field trips. Anyways, that's the end of the email. I know that there was once a complaint about sappiness on the list and I hope I haven't upset anyone, but I'd love to hear how others got started in rockhouding, so feel free to email me offlist (or onlist if you think it's safe). Cheers, -Travis ================================================ Travis Cuprak UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME Electrical Engineering, Class of 2003 e-mail: tcuprak@darwin.helios.nd.edu "On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." ================================================ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 11:50:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kenneth Quinn) Date: Thu Jun 5 10:50:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moving to CA References: Message-ID: > Hi All, > Now that I've graduated from college, I'm moving from the east coast out > to El Segundo, CA (just southwest of LA) to work for Raytheon. > Since I won't be pulling all-nighters in the lab any more, I'll finally > have more time to pursue this little geology hobby of mine. I was hoping > to join a club out there and was wondering if you fine folks had any > suggestions to get me started. I know that there are websites where I can > look up rock clubs, but I'm hoping that if someone had an outstanding > experience with a particular club, they would be able to grace me with > their knowledge. I suggest joining a group on Yahoogroups, one called LA-Rocks. As you can guess from the name, it is for rockhounds in the greater Los Angeles area. You can get info about the local clubs from the members of that list. Kenneth Quinn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 12:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 11:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moving to CA Message-ID: <38DFA235.0F97187B.09D92255@aol.com> Hi Travis..It is nice to hear from you..No flame warslol..Yes rockhounding is very fun and the West is the place to be...I started it when I heard about a rock shop in town..Then I joined a rock club around 1980 and from 1987 to now I have going strong whether there are interesting rocks and also being Field Trip Coordinator..I get alot of contacts..So good luck in your move West and in hunting Western rocks..Me I most hunt New England rocks and there are plenty of them... So keep in touch maybe we can swap minerals and go rock hunting together..I have friends and family in California.....Christopher From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 13:21:46 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:21:46 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moving to CA Message-ID: For all of you "sappy" people, keep it up. I love these types of emails and the trip reports. I think it's what keeps the list alive! Dawn >I know that there was once a >complaint about sappiness on the list and I hope I haven't upset anyone, >but I'd love to hear how others got started in rockhouding, so feel free >to email me offlist (or onlist if you think it's safe). >Cheers, >-Travis > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 13:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Message-ID: <193.1b48cde4.2c10f39d@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/03 7:18:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ted.kowalski@usps.gov writes: > . We found more topaz crystals in two hours than I > found all the previous day, many with better form. None were sherry for > sunny reasons. > One of the best places to screen is the dirt road going up into the cove. I've been there two different times and the dust from vehicle traffic is full of topaz. But don't go there on overcast days if you expect to see them. The sun is your friend. That is the reason you need to go in the Spring or Fall. Topaz Mountain is not fit for man or beast in July or August. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 16:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Thu Jun 5 15:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3117D927-97A8-11D7-BA71-000393A96092@mac.com> my uncle was a geologist for texaco and he showed me how an 'ugly' geode has a pretty center. i picked the geode he cut it and i got to keep an amethyst geode witha bit of fools gold in it and that led to conversations then i remember he showed me fluorite and he had this 3ft tall single quartz crystal that had me going. after college i got hooked on crystal meth and i picked up rockhounding as a way to keep me busy when i decided to come off the stuff and have been an avid rockhound ever sincE! On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: >> but I'd love to hear how others got started in rockhouding From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 18:21:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 17:21:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding Message-ID: <1e7.a6b3c22.2c113844@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/03 3:53:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kriswmurray1@mac.com writes: > after college i got hooked on crystal meth and i picked up rockhounding as > a way to keep me busy when i decided to come off the stuff and have been an > avid > rockhound ever sincE! > Those were definitely the wrong kind of crystals. But I do remember one time I ate some mushrooms and spent several hours walking around the woods, looking at mushrooms through my camera view finder. A lot of that was done after I ran out of film. It made sense at the time. I grew up in Louisiana and any rock was likely a flint arrowhead. Some unpaved roads were shells, dredged up out of the water. Then they started using gravel and that caught my eye. I still like going down an unpaved alley and looking at gravel, but I like Nevada better. Grant in Chico, CA where some gravel is brecciated jasper. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 5 22:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 21:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding Message-ID: <30.407814f5.2c11779d@aol.com> Hi rockhounds, I got started as a kid picking up rocks out at the sand pits in Nebraska on camping trips. Got married, had a family, school, career, kids grew up, hubby and I retired at 50 something realizing we would never be $$ wealthy. I joined the local rockclub, actually two of them, and in 8 years have learned more than I ever thought I could. I have a workshop, do lapidary, limited silversmithing after I messed up my thumbs pounding silver on anvils, I collect minerals, go on fieldtrips, make friends (and lose dear ones like Walt) online and off. I have been the prez of our 48 year old club for 2 years now, and help with the state newsletter. My favorite rocks are agates, agates, and more agates and everything in between. Bury me on the old prairie with (special) rockpiles at my head! Susy McMahan Blue River Stones & Jewelry 'I am a lapidary and I do lapidary' --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 12:01:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:01:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding In-Reply-To: <30.407814f5.2c11779d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c32c55$67dc9ee0$7dc5c950@maxdata> Hi rockhounding-starters, My first mineral specimen dates back from 1964 when I got some pyrite crystals up to 2 cm from the Bayhon valley in the Ardennes massif here in Belgium. It was the youth-hostel owner who pointed my attention to the locality. Later on, in 1967, I found completely accidentally some pieces of "schalenblende" (banded aggregates of sphalerite, wurzite, galenite, pyrite and marcasite) during a family walk in the region of Neu-Moresnet, Belgium. To find out what I had found I located the nearest mineralogy club ("Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen") and became a member. And before I realised it I was a board member... which I still am. At the age of 18, I was in doubt wether I would study mineralogy at the university. At that time the chances to be employed as a full time mineralogist here in Belgium were zero, and therefore I decided to do something that was as closely as possible related to mineralogy : inorganic analytical chemistry, and to keep my interest in mineralogy as a hobby. I'm still glad with that decision... BTW I still have my very first pyrite crystals, and the schalenblende specimens. Those are amongst my most precious finds ever, of course (estimated value : about 0.1 USD/EUR each...). Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 12:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding In-Reply-To: <3117D927-97A8-11D7-BA71-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <922CE634-984B-11D7-85C7-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Hi Kris, A lot of us got started with minerals, gems and all forms of rockhounding by contact with a family member or friend. Glad to hear that the hobby also helps with the control of other bad habits! I got my start by the fact that apparently I was born this way. My Mom used to have a fit when I was really little because of all the "pretty rocks" I brought into the house from our yard (wild yard in the woods, grass and lawn? never heard of such a thing and when really small you bring them into the house in hands, in your mouth and in your knees!). Fortunately when I was about 12, a friend gave my father a polished half of an Oregon thunderegg (not even a really good one actually, but fantastic in my eyes) and that hooked him--finally I got to go collect something occasionally. And it just grew from there to a couple degrees and a career (short, there were better things to do) in geology, then more minerals, gems, lots of field research and collecting (but not nearly enough and I just got back from a trip today-second in two weeks), a second career writing and publishing for the hobby and there is still lots to do... Regards, Lanny On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 03:51 PM, Kris Murray wrote: > my uncle was a geologist for texaco and he showed me how an 'ugly' > geode has a pretty center. i picked the geode he cut it and i got to > keep an amethyst geode witha bit of fools gold in it and that led to > conversations then i remember he showed me fluorite and he had this > 3ft tall single quartz crystal that had me going. after college i got > hooked on crystal meth and i picked up rockhounding as a way to keep > me busy when i decided to come off the stuff and have been an avid > rockhound ever sincE! > On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: > >>> but I'd love to hear how others got started in rockhouding > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 12:38:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:38:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 08:32 AM, Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC wrote: Hi Ted, > Lanny: > I agree with your assessment of Topaz Mountain, but I will disagree to > a > small extent about the float Topaz. > > Two years ago, I spent a day and a half at Topaz Mountain. ... > OK, Day two and I spent some time with my sons following the drainage > paths below various diggings and sifting the sand (crushed rock) caught > in holes and rocks. We found more topaz crystals in two hours than I > found all the previous day, many with better form. None were sherry for > sunny reasons. Doesn't surprise me, my comments were mostly a matter of perspective. Glad you are able to pass on good results collecting the colorless crystals. My comments were based on two things, firstly) the first few years I went to Topaz Mountain, the clear crystals were still plentiful lying around everywhere, you didn't have to look hard nor screen for them to pick up a "pocketful" quickly. Secondly, I have no use or interest in them, so tend to not pay any attention to them; that's not exactly true, when I spot a larger one it does go home with me. But in general, even paying attention, I don't see many lying around except very small or broken ones. > > Why Topaz is still found as float is obvious. When one smashes into a > vug and finds the Topaz, there is a desire to leave most of the rock > behind and to take a small piece of the rock with the vug home... Only, > if one forgets to stuff a hanky or paper towel into the vug, one will > quickly discover that the Topaz left the vug during the rock breaking. > These Topaz escapees quickly follow terrain and end up at some lower > spot. Interesting point. Also, when you break rock, many of them fall out and you don't even see them, if you don't look. > > On another note, later in day two as we were trying to locate one of > the > garnet fields described in the Topaz Mountain book > (www.gemandmineral.com), my wife spotted something shiny in a dry gully > and proceeded to pick up more topaz from the sand. We were several > miles > from the official Topaz Mountain site. Yes, Topaz mountain is still has > huge potential for Topaz. The topaz occurs all over the Thomas Range. There are many very good localities not on or near Topaz Mountain. Many of those have mining claims on them, especially those that produce the larger crystals, so are off limits to most of us. There is a lot of topaz in and near Garnet Basin, along Searles (now changed to Starvation? Canyon on the new topo map). And several areas on the east side-- south, west and north of Pismier Knolls and "Maynards." > > I also agree with Lanny, on his choice of tools. A 3 pound plus hammer, > chisel and screwdriver are the most used. Mostly, you just have to work at it with good tools, not expect the colored, unexposed crystals to leap out into your pockets! At least the rock is easier to break than the dolomite at Herkimer! (From what I've heard.) Regards, Lanny > > Sadly, I will not be there this year either. Maybe next year! I do plan > to try a couple of the Herkimer NY Quartz crystal mines in another > couple of weeks. Maybe, I'll have a trip report to file then. > > Happy digging! > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lanny [mailto:lanny@mineralnews.com] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:50 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Topaz > > Hi Kris, > > Don't let anyone tell you Topaz Mountain is "well over worked." It is a > large piece of rock full of holes, should last a few more thousands of > years. Certainly the crystals weathered out, exposed to the sun and > faded to colorless are difficult to find, but grab a hammer and chisel > and break some rock and the gemmy "sherry" color crystals pop out and > jump into your pocket. Well, maybe it's harder to get them than that, > but collecting topaz at Topaz Mountain only takes some work, like at > most good localities. > > For those "rockhounds" who expect crystals to be lying around on the > ground, in perfect condition, and abundant, then Topaz Mountain was > worked out decades ago, as are nearly every mineral and lapidary > locality in the USA. > > Topaz Mountain is one of my favorite localities, can't wait to get > back. Wish it was going to be this year. > > Go there and have fun, just bring that 4 to 8 pound hammer and chisels > and put them to good use. For those who aren't up to working that hard, > some diligence and probing with a screwdriver and some light hammering > can still bring success. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:20 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > >> i assumed that spot was well over worked, is that incorrect? >> KM >> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: >> >>> There are a lot of topaz from Topaz Mountain, UT that would work for >>> that. A >>> person can screen out hundreds in a few hours. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 12:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: <1c5.9ec1358.2c0e8d62@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Grant, Sorry, I don't agree about summer and the heat. It can be very hot down there any time Mother Nature decides to turn up the temperature and summer does of course average the hottest. I don't like the heat myself, any day that has a temperature over 65 degrees and I'm working or (75-80 and I'm not) is to hot for me. However, my body can survive in it, and if I'm at Topaz Mountain and the temperature is high, then I'm out collecting, because if I don't do it then, it's a 12 hour drive back again. Fortunately, most times I can choose spring or fall (which is no guarantee, been there a couple times both spring and fall with "record" temperatures in the 90s). Also, I notice that a lot of other people are out there in the summer too, just a less than in the spring and fall. Several years ago I was down there in June with a dozen people on a Friends of Mineralogy trip, the temps were in the upper 80s and low 90s, we all complained, but we collected all day for two days because that's what we all went down there for. (It's not a whole lot of fun in December and January either sometimes, yet other times in the winter... .) Consider the heat, and in the summer it commonly is over 90, and working out there in the hot sun with that light colored rock reflecting it back at you can take a lot out of you. But if you are heat tolerant, and wise about wearing a hat and sun protection, drinking lots of water, etc. go for it. Actually, I know people who complain until the temperature is 90 and above... Regards, Lanny On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 04:46 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/2/03 1:36:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kriswmurray1@mac.com writes: > >> ! If the book was right there is a lot more than just topaz there, >> also. Any other 'named' localities that I should check out whilst in >> the vicinity? >> > Anybody that goes to Topaz Mountain this late in the summer is in for > a real > treat. You'll get a preview of what most Christian's think awaits > sinners. The > heat is intolerable. But if you are there in the fall or spring, when > mammalian types can survive, the ground in the cove is littered with > clear topaz. > > And as somebody mentioned, if you beat on the mountain with a hammer > and > chisel you can find color, including the occasional red beryl. West of > Delta about > 10 miles then south about 5 or 10 miles is Sunstone Knoll. It is well > marked > and in all the guide books. The same rule applies at both places. Walk > into > the sun at early morning or late afternoon. Beat the rocks with a > hammer and > look for shiney crystals in the new breaks. > > Grant > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 13:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jun 6 12:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding References: <1e7.a6b3c22.2c113844@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c32c5e$3906c9c0$655204d0@jim> Then they started using gravel and that caught my eye. I still > like going down an unpaved alley and looking at gravel, but I like Nevada > better. > Gravel certainly is a good way to get a rockhound started. I have a 150' gravel driveway, and when I trim specimens, I throw the trimmings in the driveway so it shouldn't go to waste. One of my great-grandsons, who will be 5 next month, lives 100 yds down the road, and is at our house a lot. He always walks up & down the driveway, picking up anything that doesn't fit in with the white limestone, and brings it in to me- "Papa, look what I found!" Invariably, it's something I just threw out there, but makes for a good opportunity for a lesson in minerals. Jim From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 13:14:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Fri Jun 6 12:14:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Mtn and comments/help Message-ID: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564BFA@exchangewv1.atk.com> I miss my days on Topaz Mtn. I used to live in Salt Lake, so I was able to make several trips a year to the area. I would spent time getting geodes from Dugway then travel down the east side of Topaz Mtn to spend a little time looking for crystals. Then I would go further down south and pick up some joy agate. Did it in the spring and fall. I even made down there in January during a dry winter. I also gathered garnets on the east side of the Mtn. On the west side, I gathered apache tear drops and fluorite nodules. The area has a lot to look for. I even visited the claims on the east side of the mountain. They are hard to find if you haven't been told how to get there. Didn't hunt there except to see the large holes they had made. I have GPS coordinates of most the sites I visited while I lived in Utah. I gathered in many of the areas around Moab also. Visited and gather variscite at the three Utah sites also. I now live in Eastern West Virginia, got transferred by my company. I brought back east alot of my gatherings, geodes, agate, variscite, red horn coral, spencer opal to work on. It is a different world in the East. And my wife and I love it. I am trying to find places to go to but you can't see the rocks for the trees. I am even having trouble finding oil for my 10" saw. If any of you easterners can help me, I would appreciate it. Sometimes I really miss going out looking for rocks, then I look at what I have collected and know I will never be able to polish/workon the one I have. I also facet so I am kept busy. I am turning into a Civil War buff and want to dig for Civil War relics. Thanks for any help you can give. I will be glad to help in any way I can. Dennis Davis Fort Ashby, West Virginia From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 14:21:47 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:21:47 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhouding In-Reply-To: <922CE634-984B-11D7-85C7-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <20030606202041.88750.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> I got my start by a close family friend giving me a piece of chryscolla when I was 9 monthes old - still have the piece. He was a miner at Morenci and we would visit him for two weeks every year - hundreds of pounds of minerals were saved for me each year and I was "serious" collector from about three up. Each year we would spend our vacation looking and buying minerals (I was spoiled, my sister worked as a waitress and gave me her tip money. I would loan it to my brother at 200% for one week. My enforcer parents would see that I was paid.) My parents would match what I had saved before the trip - usually $200 - $500; thus giving me about $800 to spend. It did go further in the 50's and 60's. For 56 years, almost all of my time has been spent acquiring minerals or cutting rough or fossils. My problem is that I love them all. I used to be able to actually collect, but now all I can do is buy and trade. We add about a minimum of 2,500 specimens a month, but I am greedy and want more. I love to see young kids collect and wish we had more of them. If it hadn't have been for the Ocus Stanleys,Walt Lidstroms, Eckerts, Browns, List, and hundreds of others, I wouldn't collect today. There interest in young collectors helped to spawn many of our collectors/dealers today. I always knew that I wanted to be a mineral dealer, but I had not planned on it until I retired. Being in a body cast for 9 monthes was boring so we opened a shop. (I bought my first rock shop out at 14). I had a large stock and was able to enjoy myself from the beginning. Minerals and agates would be as close to a compulsion that I have. Sorry about being long winded, Chris --- Lanny wrote: > Hi Kris, > > A lot of us got started with minerals, gems and all > forms of > rockhounding by contact with a family member or > friend. Glad to hear > that the hobby also helps with the control of other > bad habits! > > I got my start by the fact that apparently I was > born this way. My Mom > used to have a fit when I was really little because > of all the "pretty > rocks" I brought into the house from our yard (wild > yard in the woods, > grass and lawn? never heard of such a thing and when > really small you > bring them into the house in hands, in your mouth > and in your knees!). > > Fortunately when I was about 12, a friend gave my > father a polished > half of an Oregon thunderegg (not even a really good > one actually, but > fantastic in my eyes) and that hooked him--finally I > got to go collect > something occasionally. And it just grew from there > to a couple degrees > and a career (short, there were better things to do) > in geology, then > more minerals, gems, lots of field research and > collecting (but not > nearly enough and I just got back from a trip > today-second in two > weeks), a second career writing and publishing for > the hobby and there > is still lots to do... > > Regards, > > Lanny > > On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 03:51 PM, Kris Murray > wrote: > > > my uncle was a geologist for texaco and he showed > me how an 'ugly' > > geode has a pretty center. i picked the geode he > cut it and i got to > > keep an amethyst geode witha bit of fools gold in > it and that led to > > conversations then i remember he showed me > fluorite and he had this > > 3ft tall single quartz crystal that had me going. > after college i got > > hooked on crystal meth and i picked up > rockhounding as a way to keep > > me busy when i decided to come off the stuff and > have been an avid > > rockhound ever sincE! > > On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Dawn M. > Fredricks wrote: > > > >>> but I'd love to hear how others got started in > rockhouding > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 15:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 6 14:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] how I got started in rockhounding In-Reply-To: <001301c32c5e$3906c9c0$655204d0@jim> References: <1e7.a6b3c22.2c113844@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030606102347.03089d50@mail.aloha.net> My mother was my inspiration in many things, but especially rocks. Born in 1904, she was not part of a liberated generation, and was "only" a mother and homemaker. She encouraged my brother and me to be curious and to appreciate nature. Some of my earliest memories are of proudly picking up shells, leaves, flowers, bugs, and rocks, and my mother exclaiming over their beauty and helping me make collections. [When my brother got interested in birds, she got him a pair of binoculars and a copy of Roger Tory Peterson's "A Field Guide to the Birds." Today my brother (a retired school teacher) has a respectable life list as a birder and gives birding tours for Elderhostel groups.] Shortly after WWII my mother somehow learned of the use of UV lights in Franklin, NJ. We lived in Summit, NJ at the time, so it wasn't too hard to drive up there. She found Ed Skidmore who sold her a UV light, as well as a 3" sphere of Willemite & Calcite with a spot of Franklinite that looks a little like the shape of the USA, so when people look at it, they say it looks like a globe of the earth. She talked my father into rigging up a way to use the lamp in the field, so he built an inverter for it to run off a big battery. On several occasions my parents and brother and I would drive up to Franklin and go out into the dumps after dark, my dad lugging a car battery in one hand and the UV lamp and inverter in the other. My mom would lead the way with a flashlight, and my brother and I would scramble about over the tailings in the dark gathering rocks to check with the lamp. We moved from New Jersey to Seattle in 1952, so my mom got interested in finding thundereggs in Oregon. I don't remember exactly where this was, but we got permission from a farmer to look on his property and we came back with a dozen or so thundereggs. My mom talked my dad into getting a diamond saw and they cut several of them in half, but they never got around to polishing them. My parents moved to Orcas Island in the San Juans, and later to California, and Tucson, and always some very heavy boxes of rocks went along. In 1990 when my father died we had most of his stuff shipped to our present home in Hawaii, and when the movers unloaded four ancient wooden beverage boxes (Cliquot Club and Canada Dry, with handles cut out at each end) that were extremely heavy, one of them said: "What's in here, rocks?" I replied, "Yep. You got that right!" So we have all my mom's fluorescent stuff (including the globe), and the thundereggs, as well as many other things she either collected or bought. Unfortunately she just loved the beauty of her pieces and did not document them. I actually remember her throwing out a wad of old cards from pieces she had bought, saying: "These are old and I never look at them anyway." The following bit about my mother is not about rocks: Once she took my brother and me to a park with a pond and we collected pollywogs in a jar. When we got home, she helped us turn one of the house's two bathtubs into a frog environment. At the deep end of the tub we poured a few gallons of pond water and the jar of pollywogs. We lined the edge of the mini pond with dirt and grass and plants and rocks (OK, there's the magic word) from the yard and extended this to the other end of the tub. We had been to the library to read about what pollywogs and frogs eat, and so on. Then we watched the pollywogs every day to see them begin to grow legs. When they finally crawled up on the mud and began hopping around the bathtub yard, mom helped us catch them and return them to the park. And then we had to clean out the bathtub! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 15:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 6 14:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Message-ID: In a message dated 6/6/03 11:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lanny@mineralnews.com writes: > It can be very hot down there any time Mother Nature decides to turn up the > temperature and summer does of course average the hottest. I don't like the > heat > myself, any day that has a temperature over 65 degrees You sound like a desert rat. I'm one myself and I know how to survive in it. I just think it is dangerous for a novice to go there expecting reasonable summer weather. I have no doubt some people can survive the heat, that some summer days are very nice, and some people like the isolation. But picture a tourist driving out there in a rent-a-car on a hot August day. He has a bottle of water from a local Delta store and runs the AC all the way down the Brush-Wellman Rd. Then he pulls into the cove and gets out of the car with the midday sun reflecting off all that gray rock. I don't think it would be a pleasant experience. People who want to do Topaz Mtn in Summer might try Sunstone Knolls first, kind of like dress rehearsal. It is a very similar experience, and even on a hot day a person could walk to the highway and get a ride if the needed it. Just my opinion. Here is my own dumb rockhounding story. A few years ago I went to the gemfield north of Goldfield, NV. It was a cold January day, so cold the ground was frozen. I use a very powerful electric wheelchair to get around so the frozen ground was an asset to me. My wife stayed in the RV to cook lunch while me and the dog went out exploring. I went around on the backside of the little knoll there and started up a very steep stretch. Naturally enough, having my weight tipped back caused the chair to do a wheelie. I was expecting it and knew the wheelie bars in back would keep me from going over. I went about 5 or 10 feet before I got into a sunny spot where the ground had thawed. The wheelie bars hit that soft, previously frozen dirt and I went over backwards. The torque flipped me over before I even knew what was happened. I wasn't hurt but I was stuck, looking up at a beautiful desert sky. I told my dog to "Load up" which is the command to return to the RV and get in. She walked around me, sniffing at some coyote dung, then came over and laid down beside me. A few minutes later my wife found us. We have a CB radio, a HAM radio, and a cell phone. She dialed 911 and got an operator in Hawthorn, NV -- about 100 air miles from Goldfield. It took a while to convince her we were really in Esmarelda Co. but about 10 minutes after the call two deputies showed up and flipped me back on my wheels. They sort of suggested that was not a good place for a wheelchair to be so we loaded up and left. A few weeks later we went back. I made it to the top of the hill. There was nothing up there worthwhile. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 17:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alsace show Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030606133434.0297c7c0@mail.aloha.net> This will demonstrate once again my ignorance of the rock & mineral business, but I did not know about the Alsace show until someone sent me this site. I knew about Munich, and of course Tucson and Denver, but for those of you who are as uninformed as I here is the URL for this show that is coming up the last week of June. Lots of pretty pictures, too. Good luck and safe trip to any of you who are going! http://www.minerapole.com/a_/s_pr.html Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 17:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alsace show In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030606133434.0297c7c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <20030606234553.90306.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Kitty, this is one of the best shows in Europe. You are in the middle of wine country, close to castles, and Germany and Switzerland. It is a wonderful old show.the main hall is an old theater that is hundreds of years old. The week before you have the Basel Art Faire and two small collector shows in Europe. Its Great. Chris --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > This will demonstrate once again my ignorance of the > rock & mineral > business, but I did not know about the Alsace show > until someone sent me > this site. I knew about Munich, and of course > Tucson and Denver, but for > those of you who are as uninformed as I here is the > URL for this show that > is coming up the last week of June. Lots of pretty > pictures, too. Good > luck and safe trip to any of you who are going! > > http://www.minerapole.com/a_/s_pr.html > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release > Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 6 19:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Fri Jun 6 18:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dumb rockhound stories Message-ID: >From: Lapadary@aol.com >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Topaz >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:55:34 EDT > > >Here is my own dumb rockhounding story. A few years ago I went to the >gemfield north of Goldfield, NV. I smell a new thread here! So here's mine. We were on our way back from Reno Nevada the week of Thanksgiving. I had been dying to check out the sunstones near Plush Oregon, so we decided to overnight in Lakeview. There are times in November that the weather can be quite pleasant. But not this time, picture to 40 somethings out in the freezing wind bent over in front of our Jeeps head lights! Did if forget to mention that it was almost dark when we got there? We'd get out for a few minutes til we couldn't stand it anymore and then get back in with the heat blasting. The next summer, we were over in Eastern Oregon with the kids doing Thunder Eggs at Richardson Ranch. My hubby drove the company car so had to do the obligatory "work" over in Christmas Valley. Brilliant wife looks at map and sees that we aren't "that: far away for the sunstones, so we head over to Plush again. It's July and wouldn't you know if, it was anything but desert! It was so windy and raining so hard the kid's wouldn't get out of the car! Oh well, I'm hoping the next time (3rd time) is a charm! Dawn _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 06:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Jun 7 05:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] undescribed crinoids References: Message-ID: <00a501c32cef$3fe9aaf0$afcb94d1@remains> Hi, Quite a few new specimens have been acquired in the past few weeks, including two very interesting and very uncommon crinoid specimens. The crinoids are, as far as I am aware, currently undescribed. They are "mass mortality" plates from the Cretaceous deposits of Hakel, Lebanon. To my knowledge, they are known from only a single quarry in Hakel. There are two of these plates. The first contains 5 floating crinoid specimens, and measures 23cm by 13cm. The crinoids themselves are very well preserved, and measure 4.5cm, 2.5cm, 4cm, 3.5cm, and 5.5cm in diameter. The arms are very delicate, and these look more like jellyfish, to be honest, than they look like crinoids. VERY beautiful. The second specimen contains only three crinoids, but they are on a slightly larger matrix block. The matrix measures 22.5 cm by 21cm, and the crinoids measure 6cm, 5cm, and 5.5cm....slightly larger than the crinoids on the previous plate. As an added bonus, there is also a small almost complete brittlestar on the plate next to one of the crinoids! Very rare Lebanese fossils are few and far between. You see lots of it for sale, but most of it is of the 5 or 6 most common fish and shrimp species....and they are mostly paint. These are 100% genuine, no paint, and would improve in quality with a little air abrasive work. Given the rarity of these specimens, I believe they are very fairly priced at $650 for the first plate, and $575 for the second plate, shipping charges not included. If you are interested in seeing photos of these wonderful specimens, please email me and I will send them off to you. Thank you Have a good weekend! Michael From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 07:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jun 7 06:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moving to CA Message-ID: <43.1dcdf65f.2c13412d@aol.com> Christopher, A yankee here myself too (CT)..love to hear more of your local hunting -Ron In a message dated 6/5/2003 2:09:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CECorrigan@aol.com writes: > Hi Travis..It is nice to hear from you..No flame warslol..Yes rockhounding > is very fun and the West is the place to be...I started it when I heard about > a rock shop in town..Then I joined a rock club around 1980 and from 1987 to > now I have going strong whether there are interesting rocks and also being > Field Trip Coordinator..I get alot of contacts..So good luck in your move West > and in hunting Western rocks..Me I most hunt New England rocks and there are > plenty of them... > > So keep in touch maybe we can swap minerals and go rock hunting together..I > have friends and family in California.....Christopher > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 09:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Sat Jun 7 08:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moving to CA References: <43.1dcdf65f.2c13412d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EE206DE.9020301@earthlink.net> Hammerron@aol.com wrote: > >A yankee here myself too (CT)..love to hear more of your local hunting > Hey Ron, There are a bunch of folk out by you in this group; http://groups.msn.com/rocksmineralscollectingtrading Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 10:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Jun 7 09:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <279EDE8A-9906-11D7-85C7-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Hi Grant, Explanation understood, even before you gave it. However, I don't believe neither your nor I are the protectors of fools and idiots. Leave that to those who think people are not responsible for themselves, everyone else is responsible. My beliefs are that in this summer heat vs. collecting/visiting Topaz Mountain that people should be informed it is hot out there, perhaps dangerously hot, that they need to be prepared for the heat, not told to stay away. Can't say I'm a desert rat, like I said, I don't like it hot, don't enjoy hiking in mountains in the Northwest out in the sun when it's only 75 degrees out. But, I love the mountains, love the wilds, love it outdoors, and love exploring and collecting minerals (hate the city). That creates a problem, many of the good places to do the things I love happen to get hot, or rainy, or cold or buggy... . And they get cold. Spent New Year's Eve in the Thomas Range once, at John Holfert's Wildhorse Spring red beryl locality. He showed me the locality, thought he was going to stay a couple days with me, but he went back to Salt Lake. That was interesting, not only cold, but what does one do camped out alone in the cold when it's dark at 4:00 PM and the sun doesn't come up until after 7:00? Not an ideal time to go mineral collecting! Interesting adventure with the wheel chair; I like your enthusiasm and sense of adventure. Good luck with the next adventure. But maybe the dog needs more training. Regards, Lanny On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 02:55 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/6/03 11:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lanny@mineralnews.com writes: > >> It can be very hot down there any time Mother Nature decides to turn >> up the >> temperature and summer does of course average the hottest. I don't >> like the >> heat >> myself, any day that has a temperature over 65 degrees > > You sound like a desert rat. I'm one myself and I know how to survive > in it. > I just think it is dangerous for a novice to go there expecting > reasonable > summer weather. I have no doubt some people can survive the heat, that > some > summer days are very nice, and some people like the isolation. > > But picture a tourist driving out there in a rent-a-car on a hot > August day. > He has a bottle of water from a local Delta store and runs the AC all > the way > down the Brush-Wellman Rd. Then he pulls into the cove and gets out of > the car > with the midday sun reflecting off all that gray rock. I don't think > it would > be a pleasant experience. People who want to do Topaz Mtn in Summer > might try > Sunstone Knolls first, kind of like dress rehearsal. It is a very > similar > experience, and even on a hot day a person could walk to the highway > and get a > ride if the needed it. Just my opinion. > > Here is my own dumb rockhounding story. A few years ago I went to the > gemfield north of Goldfield, NV. It was a cold January day, so cold > the ground was > frozen. I use a very powerful electric wheelchair to get around so the > frozen > ground was an asset to me. My wife stayed in the RV to cook lunch > while me and > the dog went out exploring. I went around on the backside of the > little knoll > there and started up a very steep stretch. Naturally enough, having my > weight > tipped back caused the chair to do a wheelie. I was expecting it and > knew the > wheelie bars in back would keep me from going over. I went about 5 or > 10 feet > before I got into a sunny spot where the ground had thawed. The > wheelie bars > hit that soft, previously frozen dirt and I went over backwards. > > The torque flipped me over before I even knew what was happened. I > wasn't > hurt but I was stuck, looking up at a beautiful desert sky. I told my > dog to > "Load up" which is the command to return to the RV and get in. She > walked around > me, sniffing at some coyote dung, then came over and laid down beside > me. > > A few minutes later my wife found us. We have a CB radio, a HAM radio, > and a > cell phone. She dialed 911 and got an operator in Hawthorn, NV -- > about 100 > air miles from Goldfield. It took a while to convince her we were > really in > Esmarelda Co. but about 10 minutes after the call two deputies showed > up and > flipped me back on my wheels. They sort of suggested that was not a > good place for > a wheelchair to be so we loaded up and left. A few weeks later we went > back. I > made it to the top of the hill. There was nothing up there worthwhile. > > Grant > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 11:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sat Jun 7 10:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: <279EDE8A-9906-11D7-85C7-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <2177C73C-9910-11D7-A262-000393B396CA@mac.com> can the public access this site, for a fee even or is it invite only?? TIA KM On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 09:36 AM, Lanny wrote: > at John Holfert's Wildhorse Spring red beryl locality. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 14:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronald Werner) Date: Sat Jun 7 13:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? Message-ID: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> Hello list, Is there anyone on the list with enough scientific background to check = if the representation of the use of cordierite as a polarising filter is = credible. I need to make a short description of this mineral for a small = display in the Setesdal Mineralpark, and I want to be sure the facts are = in order. Many thanks for your help! ---------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both the sky compass and the sunstone work by determining the direction = of polarization of the sky overhead. Light scattered by air molecules is = polarized, and the direction of the polarization is at right angles to a = line to the sun. If the sun is just below the horizon in the west, for = instance, the sky overhead will be polarized along the north-south = direction. If the sky overhead is clear, you can determine the direction = of the sun by determining the direction of polarization of the sky = directly overhead. (Actually, the sun could be at either of two points = opposite each other. But there is usually enough difference in the = brightness of the sky in the two directions to determine which one hides = the sun.) The Viking sunstone was probably a natural crystal of cordierite. This = mineral, a silicate of magnesium, aluminum, and iron, has some = similarity to modern polarizing filters in that it absorbs light of = different polarizations differently. In cordierite, however, the = absorption also depends on the color of the light. A natural crystal of = this mineral looks somewhat like a quartz crystal, but would rarely be = as large as the size of your little finger. The stone absorbs blue light = more strongly than yellow if the light is polarized along the long axis = of the crystal, and yellow light more than blue if the polarization is = across the long axis. If the crystal is held overhead and rotated, its = color changes from yellow to blue when the long axis is pointed toward = the sun. Clouds on the horizon cause no problems, as long as the sky = directly overhead is clear. <<<<<<<<<<<<------------------------------ Ronald Werner Postboks 2 4733 Evje Norway "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."=20 F. Nietzsche --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 15:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jun 7 14:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? References: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> Message-ID: <000701c32d39$2d2cc380$b89f77d5@pandora.be> I think you mean the cordierite variety Iolite. That changes from blue to yellow to colorless under the dichroscope depending on the orientation. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Werner" To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? Hello list, Is there anyone on the list with enough scientific background to check if the representation of the use of cordierite as a polarising filter is credible. I need to make a short description of this mineral for a small display in the Setesdal Mineralpark, and I want to be sure the facts are in order. Many thanks for your help! ---------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both the sky compass and the sunstone work by determining the direction of polarization of the sky overhead. Light scattered by air molecules is polarized, and the direction of the polarization is at right angles to a line to the sun. If the sun is just below the horizon in the west, for instance, the sky overhead will be polarized along the north-south direction. If the sky overhead is clear, you can determine the direction of the sun by determining the direction of polarization of the sky directly overhead. (Actually, the sun could be at either of two points opposite each other. But there is usually enough difference in the brightness of the sky in the two directions to determine which one hides the sun.) The Viking sunstone was probably a natural crystal of cordierite. This mineral, a silicate of magnesium, aluminum, and iron, has some similarity to modern polarizing filters in that it absorbs light of different polarizations differently. In cordierite, however, the absorption also depends on the color of the light. A natural crystal of this mineral looks somewhat like a quartz crystal, but would rarely be as large as the size of your little finger. The stone absorbs blue light more strongly than yellow if the light is polarized along the long axis of the crystal, and yellow light more than blue if the polarization is across the long axis. If the crystal is held overhead and rotated, its color changes from yellow to blue when the long axis is pointed toward the sun. Clouds on the horizon cause no problems, as long as the sky directly overhead is clear. <<<<<<<<<<<<------------------------------ Ronald Werner Postboks 2 4733 Evje Norway "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." F. Nietzsche --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 16:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jun 7 15:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? References: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> Message-ID: <3EE26736.85E@Tomaszewski.net> Ronald Werner wrote: > > Hello list, > > Is there anyone on the list with enough scientific background to check if the representation of the use of cordierite as a polarising filter is credible. I need to make a short description of this mineral for a small display in the Setesdal Mineralpark, and I want to be sure the facts are in order. Many thanks for your help! > > ---------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick search on Google gives two reputable sources confirming the information (and a lot of other ones too). http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/865.html http://zoe.geol.lsu.edu/www.GEOL2082/Iolite%20pleochroism Good question! I got to learn something new and interesting. Thanks! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 23:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Topaz Mountain Message-ID: <1ef.a87e4b3.2c141f2d@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/2003 8:01:32 PM Central Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: > Then I would go further down south and pick up > some joy agate. Dennis, What is joy agate? Does it go by another name? What colors, patterns does it have? Susy Mc --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 23:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: stories Message-ID: <19c.15bf1fc3.2c14212a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/2003 8:01:32 PM Central Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: > I use a very powerful electric wheelchair to get around so the frozen > ground was an asset to me. My wife stayed in the RV to cook lunch while me > and > the dog went out exploring. I went around on the backside of the little > knoll > there and started up a very steep stretch. Naturally enough, having my > weight > tipped back caused the chair to do a wheelie. I was expecting it and knew > the > wheelie bars in back would keep me from going over. I went about 5 or 10 > feet > before I got into a sunny spot where the ground had thawed. The wheelie bars > > hit that soft, previously frozen dirt and I went over backwards. > > The torque flipped me over before I even knew what was happened. I wasn't > hurt but I was stuck, looking up at a beautiful desert sky. I told my dog to > > "Load up" which is the command to return to the RV and get in. She walked > around > me, sniffing at some coyote dung, then came over and laid down beside me. > Grant, That is one smart dog, she didn't want to slip and slide down that hill!! Susy :) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 7 23:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] A great time! Message-ID: <1e0.a9538b7.2c1423ef@aol.com> The "Rocky Mountain Rockhounds" and the "Chaparral Rockhounds" would like to= =20 cordially invite all Rockhounds to "AGATE 2003", our annual ten-day,=20 nine-night fieldtrip campout through the Labor Day weekend at Apache Creek,=20= New Mexico,=20 from August 23rd to September 1st, 2003. We have very adventurous and interesting fieldtrips every day from 50 to 200= =20 miles roundtrip from our base camp. Each day we leave at 8:30 AM with a picn= ic=20 lunch to different areas in the region to collect a very wide variety of=20 rocks, minerals and/or crystals that can include: Agate, Banded Agate, Blood= =20 Stone, Bytownite, Calcite, Chalcedony, Crystaline, Fire Agate, Geodes, Golde= n Luna=20 Agate, Halite, Hematite, Hypersthene, Jasper, Labradorite, Lava=E2=80=99s, L= una Blue=20 Agate, Obsidian, Perlite, Plume Agate, Quartz Crystals, Spotted Agate and=20 Thunder Eggs just to name only a few. A couple of our fieldtrips might be in= to the=20 eastern portion Arizona along the state line. Several of the areas that we=20 travel into, one will need a high-clearance or 4WD type vehicle. If you do n= ot=20 have this type of vehicle, don=E2=80=99t worry, someone would be happy to ca= rpool with a=20 little "$$$" help for gas. The very small town of Apache Creek is located in the central-western part o= f=20 the state about 117 miles west of Socorro, NM, on NM-12 southwest of the=20 small town of Datil, NM. Apache Creek campground, used as our base camp, is=20= a=20 beautiful and tranquil camping area with tall majestic pine trees towering o= ver=20 the entire camp area for plenty of cool shade during the warm days of August= .=20 The area is large and spacious enough for the largest of RV=E2=80=99s to the= smallest of=20 pup tents and everything in between. Being a rustic camp area, there are no=20 facilities, water or electricity, just one coed chemical toilet, so you must= =20 come prepared. There is no cost or camping fees at Apache Creek campground.=20= The=20 town of Apache Creek has one main structure in town, a combination gas stati= on=20 / post office / convenient store where one can buy the "very basics" and=20 where we get our spring water. The small town of Reserve is eleven miles to=20= the=20 southwest and has a grocery store, bank/ATM, garage/gas station and two smal= l=20 motels for anyone who does not want to campout. The majority of the time, Mo= ther=20 Nature cooperates. The weather in August has warm days in the upper 70=E2= =80=99s to 80 =E2=80=99s and cool nights in the 50=E2=80=99s with some possible 40=E2=80= =99s and even 30=E2=80=99s.=20 Occasionally, late summer thundershowers may wonder through the area to put=20= a=20 damper on things, so come prepared for the unexpected. The elevation of our=20= base=20 camp is about 6400 feet with day outings up to 8500 to 9000 feet. Every afternoon about 4:30 or 5:00 PM, most of the rockhounds get together=20 and have a happy hour to socialize and talk about the day=E2=80=99s findings= . Then=20 everyone has supper on their own around 6:00 PM. At night, we sit around the= =20 campfire and tell TALL stories of old mining, prospecting and Rockhounding g= lory=20 days. If anyone can play a musical instrument, (I.E. guitar, fiddle, banjo,=20 harmonica, etc.) be sure to bring it along to entertain everyone. The nightt= ime=20 skies at Apache Creek are breathtaking. With no light pollution, one can see= =20 millions of stars. So if you have a good pare of binoculars or a telescope,=20= be=20 sure to bring them too for some spectacular stargazing. On Friday afternoon=20= after=20 returning from our outing, we all get together for our traditional "Apache=20 Creek Group Photo" at 5:00 PM. On Saturday afternoon, we all get ready for o= ur=20 traditional potluck supper at 6:00 PM. Everyone makes their favorite camp di= sh=20 and we share them while telling more stories around the campfire.=20 Rockhounds that show up can camp-out anywhere from a couple of nights to the= =20 entire campout. Some just come for the last weekend to visit and see old=20 friends. Some Rockhounds camp out for over two weeks. Everyone that comes al= ways=20 has a great time with all the camaraderie and collecting, and everyone ALWAY= S=20 goes home several pounds heavier. Each year, it only gets better. We really=20= hope=20 that your club members can join us this year to make some new friends and=20 really have some good old "Rockhounding Fun and Adventure." Saturday and Sunday on the last weekend are open days. For those not=20 interested in going out rock collecting, there are several other things to s= ee and do=20 in the area: The Catwalk is a very beautiful, tranquil and scenic canyon for hiking. So i= f=20 you love hiking, the Catwalk is for you. Mogollon, NM is an old historic and famous ghost town in the Mogollon=20 Mountains, Gila National Forest. There are Antique Shops, three interesting=20= Museum,=20 the "Mogollon Rock Shop", the Old Theater and have lunch in the Old Town Caf= =C3=A9.=20 On Saturday the 30th of August, the town of Mogollon will be hosting the "Ol= d=20 Time Miners Reunion". Old miners who worked the mines around the town will b= e=20 there telling some great old stories from Mogollon=E2=80=99s Glory Days. Reserve, NM is the place to be on the first weekend of the campout. On 23=20 August, the town will be having their County Fair with a Livestock Show, Art= s &=20 Crafts and a Rodeo. Apache Creek South Mesa has some unique 600-year-old Petroglyphs located on=20 the south side of the mesa. They are only a two-mile roundtrip hike from the= =20 campground.=20 Very Large Array (VLA) Radio Astronomy Telescope is where the movie "Contact= "=20 with Jodie Foster was filmed. If you=E2=80=99re interested in Astronomy, you= =20 definatly want to check this place out. They have a very interesting, inform= ative and=20 education Visitors Center.=20 New Mexico Bureau of Mines Mineral Museum is located in Socorro, NM on the=20 campus of the New Mexico Bureau of Mines. The museum is one of the "Top Five= =20 Mineral Museums" in all of North America and well worth the trip. The phone number to make reservations at the Rode Inn Motel on Main Street i= n=20 Reserve is 505-533-6661. They have Cable TV, Direct Dial Phones, Queen Beds=20 and a Laundromat. AGATE 2003 is hosted by the Rocky Mountain Rockhounds and the Chaparral=20 Rockhounds. If you are planning on coming to AGATE 2003, please try to RSVP=20= by=20 early August. For any additional information about Apache Creek or the camp=20= out,=20 please contact Yonis Lone Eagle via e-mail: rockymountainrockhounds@yahoo.com.=20 AGATE 2003 is also co-hosted by: The Chaparral Rockhounds Roswell, New Mexico www.chaparralrockhounds.com<= /A> The El Paso Mineral & Gem Society El Paso, Texas --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 08:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Sun Jun 8 07:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? References: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> <000701c32d39$2d2cc380$b89f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3EE34DCC.98F37400@utoronto.ca> Axel has put his finger on the problem. Gem quality cordierite, most of which comes from India, is needed for a reading (anything less does not work.) and so much sunlight that one can determine the sun's position without using the stone. A search using google.com and the words cordierite & viking will get you numerous hits. I would suggest the following url as a starting point.. http://www.wam.umd.edu/~eowyn/Longship/viking.nav.html The other thing to keep in mind is that all of this linkage of cordierite to literary references mentioning "sunstone" is speculative. I republished an article about this theory 8 or 9 years ago. It had appeared in numerous newspapers as filler or "science report". Subsequently it resurfaced in mineral hobby related articles. If you like I can dig it out. I suspect it was the seminal item for many subsequent speculations and articles. Experiments using cordierite in the manner described were performed by several institutions, including the Royal Ontario Museum, with outright failure, or results of dubious merit if considered as a navigational aid. Liz liz.fodi@utoronto.ca Axel Emmermann wrote: > I think you mean the cordierite variety Iolite. > That changes from blue to yellow to colorless under the dichroscope > depending on the orientation. > > Axel Emmermann From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 09:20:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Sun Jun 8 08:20:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD. A response to inquiries about apatite Message-ID: <3EE3540C.47CC13E5@utoronto.ca> Hello List During the recent enquiries about apatite I consulted Dave Joyce about possible localities regarding the specimen under discussion. In addition to those mentioned by the list he suggested the Dwyer property, though specimens of the quality implied would have been rare. He also was quite adamant that all calcite from Ontario or Quebec will have at least a tinge of orange, and I have to say that every piece I've seen does. Besides being meticulous as to quality and provenance, as well as accuracy in identification of specimens he sells, Dave is an authority when it comes to Canadian mineral specimens. He has always proved very helpful in clearing up ambiguities or augmenting information provided with older specimen material. I hope you'll regard the following as an interesting avenue to explore regarding Canadian mineral specimens. Dave Joyce dkjoyce@attcanada.ca http://www.davidkjoyceminerals.com Tel:905-836-9073 Fax: 905-836-5283 Box 95551 Newmarket, ON Canada L3Y 8J8 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 09:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 8 08:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? References: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> <000701c32d39$2d2cc380$b89f77d5@pandora.be> <3EE34DCC.98F37400@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3EE35D6E.E2595187@att.net> > Experiments using cordierite in the manner described were performed by several > institutions, including the Royal Ontario Museum, with outright failure, or > results of dubious merit if considered as a navigational aid. > > Liz Aha. It so happens that F. Donald Bloss and Mickey Gunter have done various studies on cordierite, and I am going to see both of them in a month. I can ask; the resultant answer should be authoritative. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 12:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Sun Jun 8 11:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? References: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> <000701c32d39$2d2cc380$b89f77d5@pandora.be> <3EE34DCC.98F37400@utoronto.ca> <3EE35D6E.E2595187@att.net> Message-ID: <3EE38459.9A25E1B5@utoronto.ca> Don H wrote: > Aha. It so happens that F. Donald Bloss and Mickey Gunter have done > various studies on cordierite, and I am going to see both of them in a > month. I can ask; the resultant answer should be authoritative. Of what Don? There is no hard archaeological evidence that cordierite was the fabled "sunstone". And while certain cordierite crystals exhibit the properties noted their applicability to navigation is likely of marginal significance. On the other hand, nice prop for demagogues, or great story material for bards. (See recent scandals in journalism for modern equivalents) Liz From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 13:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 8 12:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vikingstone: cordierite? References: <001301c32d30$4a6b4510$94b69fc3@RW> <000701c32d39$2d2cc380$b89f77d5@pandora.be> <3EE34DCC.98F37400@utoronto.ca> <3EE35D6E.E2595187@att.net> <3EE38459.9A25E1B5@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3EE38953.8B1BAAD5@att.net> liz fodi wrote: > > Don H wrote: > > > Aha. It so happens that F. Donald Bloss and Mickey Gunter have done > > various studies on cordierite, and I am going to see both of them in a > > month. I can ask; the resultant answer should be authoritative. > > Of what Don? > > There is no hard archaeological evidence that cordierite was the fabled "sunstone". > And while certain cordierite crystals exhibit the properties noted their > applicability to navigation is likely of marginal significance. > On the other hand, nice prop for demagogues, or great story material for bards. > (See recent scandals in journalism for modern equivalents) > > Liz Oh--of whether the iolite variety of cordierite could be used in that manner at all, given a number of factors including variance in birefringence and the type of polarization in question (there are four types of polarization). While we can easily observe the color change in such cordierite based upon orientation, one would need to perform a statistical analysis based upon some thorough experimentation. I see the point I think you are trying to make: the issue is not the color change of the mineral, but its usefulness as a navigational aid and the historical precdent, or lack thereof, for such use. Mineralogy meets forensic archaeology. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 21:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Jun 8 20:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Mtn and comments/help In-Reply-To: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564BFA@exchangewv1.atk.com> Message-ID: do you still have those utah GPS coordinates? i would be very interested inthem, if you did.... TIA KM On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Davis, Dennis wrote: > I have GPS coordinates of most the sites I visited while I lived in > Utah. I gathered in many of the areas around Moab also. Visited and > gather > variscite at the three Utah sites also. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 8 21:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Jun 8 20:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz In-Reply-To: <2177C73C-9910-11D7-A262-000393B396CA@mac.com> Message-ID: <969946F0-9A2D-11D7-AC37-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Don't know the status of that site now. John worked it for a few years then I believe he dropped the claims and someone else had them for a while. Haven't heard anyone even mention it for a number of years. Regards, Lanny On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:47 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > can the public access this site, for a fee even or is it invite only?? > TIA > KM > On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 09:36 AM, Lanny wrote: > >> at John Holfert's Wildhorse Spring red beryl locality. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 05:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Dicks) Date: Mon Jun 9 04:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons Message-ID: I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round trip...Michigan to Oregon. While plants and animals are beautiful, and archeology and anthropology are interesting, I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this great nation. I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high clearance however I am not an "experienced off roader"... Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel time....Northern and / or Southern routes.... No restrictions on where to go... There are enough people on this list to have knowledge of most states.... What stops / tours / sites would you consider "must see"? What are your favorite places? Are there people to contact at certain sites? I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular views.... no rush....casual trip. Thanks in advance. Bill Dicks From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 06:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Mon Jun 9 05:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Topaz Mountain Message-ID: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564BFC@exchangewv1.atk.com> Joy agate is found in the Drum Mtn area south of Topaz Mtn in Utah. It is a orange-salmon(sp)with some clear areas. It doesn't have a real pattern. It formed like a flow over the bed rock. Last time there it was very easy to pick up. I brought a bunch back to West Virginia to work with. -----Original Message----- From: Blueriverjewelry@aol.com [mailto:Blueriverjewelry@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:10 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Topaz Mountain In a message dated 6/6/2003 8:01:32 PM Central Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: > Then I would go further down south and pick up > some joy agate. Dennis, What is joy agate? Does it go by another name? What colors, patterns does it have? Susy Mc --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 09:49:17 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Mon Jun 9 08:49:17 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030609105845.01c4cfd0@po2.bbn.com> Now that the weather is warmer here in New England, I have started again to acid-etch out calcite from my accumulation of specimens from my favorite collecting site, the VAG Quarry at Lowell/Eden Mills, VT. I do this in my garage using a small bit of muriatic acid added to the water covering the specimen in a plastic container. Over the weekend I was etching a specimen I collected a couple of years ago from the upper benches of the Lowell pit and to my delight uncovered a small cluster (roughly 5 mm max dimension) of dark-grey tabular crystals with a more or less hexagonal shape associated with green grossuar garnet and diopside. Based on my review of the Rocks and Minerals article on the locality (Vol. 71, July/August 1996) possible candidates would be pyrrhotite (reported but unconfirmed) and chalcocite (sharp tabular pseudo-hexagonal twins reported) and perhaps even ferroaxinite. One of the first things I want to do is to check the crystal for magnetism which should discriminate between chalcocite and pyrrhotite. Unfortunately my smallest magnet is too big to reach into the vug containing these crystals. Hence my question.........Does anyone know a good inexpensive method/tool for determining magnetism in small specimens? I have some small diameter plexiglas rod that I sometimes use to mount specimens and I can imagine gluing a tiny piece of a strong magnet to the tip one of these rods. This of course assumes that I can find a very small strong magnet of the right size and shape. Edmond Scientific sells a bag of 16 Mini-neodymium magnets (Each Magnet: 10mm x 4.5mm x 1mm) that might be workable. At $4.95 a bag the price is certainly right. Basically I am wondering if someone else has already solved this problem before I set out to do it. I will appreciate any experience or suggestions that you have to offer. Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 10:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 9 09:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? Message-ID: <200306091611.h59GB4LU006917@bubbleator.drizzle.com> The problem is solved, so to speak, but you might need to adapt your specimen to the method. If you do not want to remove the minerals themselves from the matrix, your options are limited. Try gluing a tiny magnet to a thread instead of a plexiglas rod. The test will be more sensitive. Dr. Bill Henderson, in a Mineralogical Record article, described a sensitive device for detecting micro magnestism. I can picture the drawing in my mind, though it is somewhat hazy: a small frame, perhaps made from the bottom of a MM box, a pin, a straw, and a tiny magnet on the end; balanced so that the straw stayed parallel to a line on the side of the box. If one moved a tiny specimen toward the magnet, the magnet would wobble if the specimen were magnetic. Of course, my caveat would be that the user should be wary of creating air currents that move the device, thus offering a false reading. Though I am sure my description does not do justice, I think you get the idea. If you are really interested I can look up that article--it is one of the few things I have easily at hand! Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 11:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Jun 9 10:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? References: <200306091611.h59GB4LU006917@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002d01c32ea9$628c04c0$3906efd1@oemcomputer> Try a fragment of a super strong rare earth magnet. Mount it as described by Don, Henderson's method, on a long pin, with something light for an axle, suspended on the edges of a playing card. Chalcocite and pyrrhotite shouldn't be hard to distinguish visually, the former black and the latter golden. (If you don't have double goose neck fibre-optic illumination you should look into it; even a great scope won't reveal much without a really good light.) Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: June 9, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? > > The problem is solved, so to speak, but you might need to adapt your specimen > to the method. If you do not want to remove the minerals themselves from the > matrix, your options are limited. Try gluing a tiny magnet to a thread instead > of a plexiglas rod. The test will be more sensitive. > > Dr. Bill Henderson, in a Mineralogical Record article, described a sensitive > device for detecting micro magnestism. I can picture the drawing in my mind, > though it is somewhat hazy: a small frame, perhaps made from the bottom of a MM > box, a pin, a straw, and a tiny magnet on the end; balanced so that the straw > stayed parallel to a line on the side of the box. If one moved a tiny specimen > toward the magnet, the magnet would wobble if the specimen were magnetic. Of > course, my caveat would be that the user should be wary of creating air > currents that move the device, thus offering a false reading. Though I am sure > my description does not do justice, I think you get the idea. If you are > really interested I can look up that article--it is one of the few things I > have easily at hand! > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 11:26:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Jaszczak) Date: Mon Jun 9 10:26:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030609105845.01c4cfd0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030609132301.00a95678@imap.phy.mtu.edu> Nate, Given the associations, I also wonder if your hexagonal gray crystals could be graphite? Are there any other associated crystals you could "scratch" or streak? If they're graphite, they're also likely to have trigon striations on the basal planes which the sulfides probably wouldn't have. John At 11:48 AM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Now that the weather is warmer here in New England, I have started again >to acid-etch out calcite from my accumulation of specimens from my >favorite collecting site, the VAG Quarry at Lowell/Eden Mills, VT. I do >this in my garage using a small bit of muriatic acid added to the water >covering the specimen in a plastic container. Over the weekend I was >etching a specimen I collected a couple of years ago from the upper >benches of the Lowell pit and to my delight uncovered a small cluster >(roughly 5 mm max dimension) of dark-grey tabular crystals with a more or >less hexagonal shape associated with green grossuar garnet and diopside. > >Based on my review of the Rocks and Minerals article on the locality (Vol. >71, July/August 1996) possible candidates would be pyrrhotite (reported >but unconfirmed) and chalcocite (sharp tabular pseudo-hexagonal twins >reported) and perhaps even ferroaxinite. One of the first things I want >to do is to check the crystal for magnetism which should discriminate >between chalcocite and pyrrhotite. Unfortunately my smallest magnet is >too big to reach into the vug containing these crystals. > >Hence my question.........Does anyone know a good inexpensive method/tool >for determining magnetism in small specimens? > >I have some small diameter plexiglas rod that I sometimes use to mount >specimens and I can imagine gluing a tiny piece of a strong magnet to the >tip one of these rods. This of course assumes that I can find a very >small strong magnet of the right size and shape. Edmond Scientific sells >a bag of 16 Mini-neodymium magnets (Each Magnet: 10mm x 4.5mm x 1mm) that >might be workable. At $4.95 a bag the price is certainly right. > >Basically I am wondering if someone else has already solved this problem >before I set out to do it. > >I will appreciate any experience or suggestions that you have to offer. > >Best regards, >Nate Martin >Lexington, MA > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 11:26:09 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cathy Gaber) Date: Mon Jun 9 10:26:09 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle housing Message-ID: <200306091725.h59HPCA19529@mail.his.com> Dear Rockhounds, I know it is very short notice, but we are looking for a place to stay in the Seattle area from June 23 to July 14. If anyone has any suggestions for a house sit, an apartment or even a room rental, please contact me as soon as possible offline. Thanks, Cathy bg@his.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 12:35:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jun 9 11:35:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030609105845.01c4cfd0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c32eb5$918e82a0$325204d0@jim> There's a simple technique developed, as I recall, by Curt Segeler: Magnetize a needle by rubbing it on a magnet or passing it through an electrical field. Tie a piece of thread to the middle of the needle so the needle will be suspended in a horizontal position when held by the thread. Bringing the needle near a magnetic specimen, even a micro, will cause the needle to move. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Martin II" To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetism Test for micros? > Now that the weather is warmer here in New England, I have started again to > acid-etch out calcite from my accumulation of specimens from my favorite > collecting site, the VAG Quarry at Lowell/Eden Mills, VT. I do this in my > garage using a small bit of muriatic acid added to the water covering the > specimen in a plastic container. Over the weekend I was etching a specimen > I collected a couple of years ago from the upper benches of the Lowell pit > and to my delight uncovered a small cluster (roughly 5 mm max dimension) of > dark-grey tabular crystals with a more or less hexagonal shape associated > with green grossuar garnet and diopside. > > Based on my review of the Rocks and Minerals article on the locality (Vol. > 71, July/August 1996) possible candidates would be pyrrhotite (reported but > unconfirmed) and chalcocite (sharp tabular pseudo-hexagonal twins reported) > and perhaps even ferroaxinite. One of the first things I want to do is to > check the crystal for magnetism which should discriminate between > chalcocite and pyrrhotite. Unfortunately my smallest magnet is too big to > reach into the vug containing these crystals. > > Hence my question.........Does anyone know a good inexpensive method/tool > for determining magnetism in small specimens? > > I have some small diameter plexiglas rod that I sometimes use to mount > specimens and I can imagine gluing a tiny piece of a strong magnet to the > tip one of these rods. This of course assumes that I can find a very small > strong magnet of the right size and shape. Edmond Scientific sells a bag > of 16 Mini-neodymium magnets (Each Magnet: 10mm x 4.5mm x 1mm) that might > be workable. At $4.95 a bag the price is certainly right. > > Basically I am wondering if someone else has already solved this problem > before I set out to do it. > > I will appreciate any experience or suggestions that you have to offer. > > Best regards, > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 17:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons References: Message-ID: <3EE51E7A.B9F@Tomaszewski.net> William Dicks wrote: > > I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round trip...Michigan to Oregon. > While plants and animals are beautiful, and archeology and anthropology are interesting, > I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this great nation. > I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high clearance however I am not an "experienced off roader"... > Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel time....Northern and / or Southern routes.... > No restrictions on where to go... > There are enough people on this list to have knowledge of most states.... > What stops / tours / sites would you consider "must see"? > What are your favorite places? > Are there people to contact at certain sites? > I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular views.... > no rush....casual trip. > > Thanks in advance. > > Bill Dicks > The Seaman Museum at Houghton, MI is worth the trip. While there you can go collecting around the Keweenaw Peninsula, which is also worthwhile. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 9 20:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Jun 9 19:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: eastern oregon is literally made of rockhounds dreams... mountains of agate, obsidian, jasper, petrified wood etc. I daho has a few good spots and Montana is made of agates sprinkled with sapphires it seems. i bought guide books and have fun with them. utah is filled with lotsa goodies tooo i am now finding out...... KM On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 04:51 AM, William Dicks wrote: > summer road trip....round trip...Michigan to Oregon. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 10 00:05:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Jun 9 23:05:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trying to locate Jon Gladwell Message-ID: Can anyone help me locate Jon Gladwell? I was in Nature of the Northwest (a cooperative bookstore with lots of maps and trip guides, etc. run by Oregon Dept Of Geology, the Forest service) and they asked if I knew how to get a hold of him. I haven't talked to him a a couple of years now. All the numbers they had for him are disconnected and the website is dead. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks & happy hunting! Dawn _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 10 08:11:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jun 10 07:11:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trying to locate Jon Gladwell References: Message-ID: <000501c32f59$d9ed2ca0$3f5204d0@jim> Try jgladwell@myrddinemrys.com His website at www.myrddinemrys.com was working a few minutes ago. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Trying to locate Jon Gladwell > Can anyone help me locate Jon Gladwell? I was in Nature of the Northwest (a > cooperative bookstore with lots of maps and trip guides, etc. run by Oregon > Dept Of Geology, the Forest service) and they asked if I knew how to get a > hold of him. I haven't talked to him a a couple of years now. All the > numbers they had for him are disconnected and the website is dead. Anyone > have any ideas? > > Thanks & happy hunting! > Dawn > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 10 12:04:23 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Tue Jun 10 11:04:23 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz References: Message-ID: <04e601c32f7a$ee5d18a0$fb47b6c7@rockman> Hi Grant, Thanks for your note, I enjoyed reading it.Years ago I was on a Bob Jackson Explorers Group field trip to Hallelujah Junction in Nevada on Foster Hallmans claim digging for quartz. This was my first experience digging with another collector in a wheelchair. This guy put most of us to shame, he was inspiring to watch. No limitations this guy. He moved his chair as close to the working face as possible and then climbed down and dragged himself to the area he wanted to work. He did this with no applause or fanfare, no whining, heck, he did this with a smile and darned if this guy didn't open the pocket of the day. I remember him pulling from the dirty cavity beautiful smoky amethyst scepter after beautiful smoky amethyst scepter, including one which weighed over 4 pounds! This was a great experience for him I'd imagine, but it was one for me too. I do lots of education mineral and fossil talks where I encourage the kids to follow their passions, this guy was obviously following his! It was an inspiring trip and while I no longer remember the guys name, I'll always remember that day and the triumphant smiles lighting his face and eyes. If we believe, what are the limitations of our faith? Thanks for the note. Have a great day. See ya, John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Topaz > In a message dated 6/6/03 11:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lanny@mineralnews.com writes: > > > It can be very hot down there any time Mother Nature decides to turn up the > > temperature and summer does of course average the hottest. I don't like the > > heat > > myself, any day that has a temperature over 65 degrees > > You sound like a desert rat. I'm one myself and I know how to survive in it. > I just think it is dangerous for a novice to go there expecting reasonable > summer weather. I have no doubt some people can survive the heat, that some > summer days are very nice, and some people like the isolation. > > But picture a tourist driving out there in a rent-a-car on a hot August day. > He has a bottle of water from a local Delta store and runs the AC all the way > down the Brush-Wellman Rd. Then he pulls into the cove and gets out of the car > with the midday sun reflecting off all that gray rock. I don't think it would > be a pleasant experience. People who want to do Topaz Mtn in Summer might try > Sunstone Knolls first, kind of like dress rehearsal. It is a very similar > experience, and even on a hot day a person could walk to the highway and get a > ride if the needed it. Just my opinion. > > Here is my own dumb rockhounding story. A few years ago I went to the > gemfield north of Goldfield, NV. It was a cold January day, so cold the ground was > frozen. I use a very powerful electric wheelchair to get around so the frozen > ground was an asset to me. My wife stayed in the RV to cook lunch while me and > the dog went out exploring. I went around on the backside of the little knoll > there and started up a very steep stretch. Naturally enough, having my weight > tipped back caused the chair to do a wheelie. I was expecting it and knew the > wheelie bars in back would keep me from going over. I went about 5 or 10 feet > before I got into a sunny spot where the ground had thawed. The wheelie bars > hit that soft, previously frozen dirt and I went over backwards. > > The torque flipped me over before I even knew what was happened. I wasn't > hurt but I was stuck, looking up at a beautiful desert sky. I told my dog to > "Load up" which is the command to return to the RV and get in. She walked around > me, sniffing at some coyote dung, then came over and laid down beside me. > > A few minutes later my wife found us. We have a CB radio, a HAM radio, and a > cell phone. She dialed 911 and got an operator in Hawthorn, NV -- about 100 > air miles from Goldfield. It took a while to convince her we were really in > Esmarelda Co. but about 10 minutes after the call two deputies showed up and > flipped me back on my wheels. They sort of suggested that was not a good place for > a wheelchair to be so we loaded up and left. A few weeks later we went back. I > made it to the top of the hill. There was nothing up there worthwhile. > > Grant > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 10 12:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Tue Jun 10 11:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dumb rockhound stories References: Message-ID: <050d01c32f7c$98879b60$fb47b6c7@rockman> Hi Dawn, Good luck on that 3rd try. As a thought, and for everyone else heading through Lakeview, Oregon, consider stopping at the Indian Village restaurant. They have thousands and thousands of authentic spear and arrowheads in mounted displays all throughout the building. Lots of ceremonial points, etc. too. These were all collected years and years ago from the Midwestern US as I recall. It's a truly phenomenal collection and one which can be visited while enjoying the air conditioned coolness away from the blazing sun awaiting out side. Just a thought for your consideration. All the best in your adventures. See ya, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Dumb rockhound stories > > > > >From: Lapadary@aol.com > >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Topaz > >Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:55:34 EDT > > > > > >Here is my own dumb rockhounding story. A few years ago I went to the > >gemfield north of Goldfield, NV. > > I smell a new thread here! > > So here's mine. We were on our way back from Reno Nevada the week of > Thanksgiving. I had been dying to check out the sunstones near Plush > Oregon, so we decided to overnight in Lakeview. There are times in November > that the weather can be quite pleasant. But not this time, picture to 40 > somethings out in the freezing wind bent over in front of our Jeeps head > lights! Did if forget to mention that it was almost dark when we got there? > We'd get out for a few minutes til we couldn't stand it anymore and then > get back in with the heat blasting. > > The next summer, we were over in Eastern Oregon with the kids doing Thunder > Eggs at Richardson Ranch. My hubby drove the company car so had to do the > obligatory "work" over in Christmas Valley. Brilliant wife looks at map and > sees that we aren't "that: far away for the sunstones, so we head over to > Plush again. It's July and wouldn't you know if, it was anything but > desert! It was so windy and raining so hard the kid's wouldn't get out of > the car! > > Oh well, I'm hoping the next time (3rd time) is a charm! > Dawn > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 10 21:31:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Tue Jun 10 20:31:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons In-Reply-To: <3EE51E7A.B9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20030611033023.34568.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> I can hand you a bunch of sites if you are willing to go as far south as AZ. I got a geophysics degree form NAU in Flagstaff and know those rocks really well. Now, what kind of GEOLOGY are you talking about. Road Side Geology (Cliffs and Mtns asn such, get out and look geology - looking at formations to figure out how they got there get out and study Geolgy - get out and look at the grain size of stuff an dtry to identify it as a granite or a diorite or Rock hounding - wnat to get out and find some neat stuff to take home? ---- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > William Dicks wrote: > > > > I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round > trip...Michigan to Oregon. > > While plants and animals are beautiful, and > archeology and anthropology are interesting, > > I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this > great nation. > > I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high > clearance however I am not an "experienced off > roader"... > > Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel > time....Northern and / or Southern routes.... > > No restrictions on where to go... > > There are enough people on this list to have > knowledge of most states.... > > What stops / tours / sites would you consider > "must see"? > > What are your favorite places? > > Are there people to contact at certain sites? > > I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular > views.... > > no rush....casual trip. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bill Dicks > > > > The Seaman Museum at Houghton, MI is worth the trip. > While there you can > go collecting around the Keweenaw Peninsula, which > is also worthwhile. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 11 06:39:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Dicks) Date: Wed Jun 11 05:39:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons Message-ID: Bill Dicks MESTA Board Member >>> Stephen stover 06/10/03 11:30PM >>> I can hand you a bunch of sites if you are willing to go as far south as AZ. I got a geophysics degree form NAU in Flagstaff and know those rocks really well. Now, what kind of GEOLOGY are you talking about. Road Side Geology (Cliffs and Mtns asn such, get out and look geology - looking at formations to figure out how they got there _________________ I like doing this as it gives a nice "overview" and provides good "photo-ops". Additionally, it breaks up a days ride. ______________ get out and study Geology - get out and look at the grain size of stuff an try to identify it as a granite or a diorite __________________ While I have done this and find it interesting, I need a "leader / guide" to direct my efforts. I think this trip I would omit this king of stop. ________________- or Rock hounding - want to get out and find some neat stuff to take home? ____________________ Rockhounding!! for sure. I have a small collection displayed in my home; some pieces in my classroom; some "yard pieces" from past trips. What I think I'll do is plot on a map the suggestions I receive then play "connect-the-dots" to develop my route. I really appreciate any suggestions you can make. I am willing to stop and do pictures, spend time digging ((Richardsons Rock Ranch for Thunder eggs...) Museums / self guided tours like John Day... I guess I really want to take a leisurely drive as opposed to HAVING to be somewhere for some scheduled activity / field trip. I am finished teaching this Friday and will leave this address by noon on Friday. Please add bcd1200@hotmail.com so that I don't miss your comments. Thanks in advance for taking time to help me out. ---- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > William Dicks wrote: > > > > I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round > trip...Michigan to Oregon. > > While plants and animals are beautiful, and > archeology and anthropology are interesting, > > I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this > great nation. > > I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high > clearance however I am not an "experienced off > roader"... > > Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel > time....Northern and / or Southern routes.... > > No restrictions on where to go... > > There are enough people on this list to have > knowledge of most states.... > > What stops / tours / sites would you consider > "must see"? > > What are your favorite places? > > Are there people to contact at certain sites? > > I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular > views.... > > no rush....casual trip. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bill Dicks > > > > The Seaman Museum at Houghton, MI is worth the trip. > While there you can > go collecting around the Keweenaw Peninsula, which > is also worthwhile. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 11 10:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Wed Jun 11 09:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030611162617.73036.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Then go to your local lapidary shop and get every Rockounding in "Your favaroite stae" or Gem trails "of your favorite state" I have got them for many states and use them. Exspecially Texas and Arizona. They tend to be okay to good. I ahve more hits then misses. Then plan a trip. --- William Dicks wrote: > > > Bill Dicks > MESTA Board Member > > >>> Stephen stover 06/10/03 > 11:30PM >>> > I can hand you a bunch of sites if you are willing > to > go as far south as AZ. I got a geophysics degree > form > NAU in Flagstaff and know those rocks really well. > > Now, what kind of GEOLOGY are you talking about. > > Road Side Geology (Cliffs and Mtns asn such, > get out and look geology - looking at formations to > figure out how they got there > _________________ > I like doing this as it gives a nice "overview" and > provides good "photo-ops". > Additionally, it breaks up a days ride. > ______________ > > get out and study Geology - get out and look at the > grain size of stuff an try to identify it as a > granite or a diorite > __________________ > While I have done this and find it interesting, I > need a "leader / guide" to direct my efforts. > I think this trip I would omit this king of stop. > ________________- > > or Rock hounding - want to get out and find some > neat > stuff to take home? > ____________________ > Rockhounding!! for sure. I have a small collection > displayed in my home; some pieces in my classroom; > some "yard pieces" from past trips. > What I think I'll do is plot on a map the > suggestions I receive then play "connect-the-dots" > to develop my route. > I really appreciate any suggestions you can make. > I am willing to stop and do pictures, > spend time digging ((Richardsons Rock Ranch for > Thunder eggs...) > Museums / self guided tours like John Day... > I guess I really want to take a leisurely drive as > opposed to HAVING to be somewhere for some scheduled > activity / field trip. > > I am finished teaching this Friday and will leave > this address by noon on Friday. > Please add bcd1200@hotmail.com so that I don't miss > your comments. > Thanks in advance for taking time to help me out. > > > > ---- Kreigh Tomaszewski > wrote: > > William Dicks wrote: > > > > > > I am seeking ideas for a summer road > trip....round > > trip...Michigan to Oregon. > > > While plants and animals are beautiful, and > > archeology and anthropology are interesting, > > > I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of > this > > great nation. > > > I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high > > clearance however I am not an "experienced off > > roader"... > > > Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel > > time....Northern and / or Southern routes.... > > > No restrictions on where to go... > > > There are enough people on this list to have > > knowledge of most states.... > > > What stops / tours / sites would you consider > > "must see"? > > > What are your favorite places? > > > Are there people to contact at certain sites? > > > I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular > > views.... > > > no rush....casual trip. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Bill Dicks > > > > > > > The Seaman Museum at Houghton, MI is worth the > trip. > > While there you can > > go collecting around the Keweenaw Peninsula, which > > is also worthwhile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > ===== > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 11 10:31:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Jun 11 09:31:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons In-Reply-To: <20030611162617.73036.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c33036$b6b57b60$6501a8c0@moose> Of course, they could score a copy of my MasMils disk . Just look up the counties in Street Atlas and do a download of mines. GcB http://www.catspaw-minerals.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Stephen stover Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:26 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons Then go to your local lapidary shop and get every Rockounding in "Your favaroite stae" or Gem trails "of your favorite state" I have got them for many states and use them. Exspecially Texas and Arizona. They tend to be okay to good. I ahve more hits then misses. Then plan a trip. --- William Dicks wrote: > > > Bill Dicks > MESTA Board Member > > >>> Stephen stover 06/10/03 > 11:30PM >>> > I can hand you a bunch of sites if you are willing > to > go as far south as AZ. I got a geophysics degree > form > NAU in Flagstaff and know those rocks really well. > > Now, what kind of GEOLOGY are you talking about. > > Road Side Geology (Cliffs and Mtns asn such, > get out and look geology - looking at formations to > figure out how they got there > _________________ > I like doing this as it gives a nice "overview" and > provides good "photo-ops". > Additionally, it breaks up a days ride. > ______________ > > get out and study Geology - get out and look at the > grain size of stuff an try to identify it as a > granite or a diorite > __________________ > While I have done this and find it interesting, I > need a "leader / guide" to direct my efforts. > I think this trip I would omit this king of stop. > ________________- > > or Rock hounding - want to get out and find some > neat > stuff to take home? > ____________________ > Rockhounding!! for sure. I have a small collection > displayed in my home; some pieces in my classroom; > some "yard pieces" from past trips. > What I think I'll do is plot on a map the > suggestions I receive then play "connect-the-dots" > to develop my route. > I really appreciate any suggestions you can make. > I am willing to stop and do pictures, > spend time digging ((Richardsons Rock Ranch for > Thunder eggs...) > Museums / self guided tours like John Day... > I guess I really want to take a leisurely drive as > opposed to HAVING to be somewhere for some scheduled > activity / field trip. > > I am finished teaching this Friday and will leave > this address by noon on Friday. > Please add bcd1200@hotmail.com so that I don't miss > your comments. > Thanks in advance for taking time to help me out. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 11 11:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob G) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons References: Message-ID: <3EE760EF.8000908@netscape.net> Been about twenty years since was in the area but hear are a few suggestions. SW Minnesota - Pipestone Monument, no collecting but where the Indians quarried the material for most Peace Pipes. West Dakota and Eastern Montana - Badlands. Red ledges called "scorio" that are the result of burning coal seams, some still burning. Yelloswstone River Valley - Agates in the river gravels plu glacial rafting left less tumbled agate gravels capping the hill tops. Please don't feed the dinosaurs. Lots of scaphlopod fossils in the gray shales of the Cedar Creek anticline south of between Glendive and Miles City, You did say 4wd. but watch for bentonite if it rains. Black Hills - touristy but lots of limestone caves and Mt. Rushmore. Why are these mountains in the middle of the prarie anyway? Devils Tower- NW Wyoming. really neat even if no close encounters. There is a town on the North side where you can visit a site an see oil actually seeping out opf the limestone. Bynum, NW of Great Falls MT - Very nice museum and LARGE dinosaurs. Also duckbill nesting area. Western MT, ID, and eastern WA - Remains of the largest flood , the repeated draining of glacial Lake Missoula. 500 cubic miles of water in a few days. drive thru ripple marks and picture a thousand foot high wall of water coming at you at sixty miles per hour. There are alos lots of old mines and ghost towns thru the area. Southern ID lava fields, Craters of the Moon Natl park Bob G. DicksWi@northville.k12.mi.us wrote: >I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round trip...Michigan to Oregon. >While plants and animals are beautiful, and archeology and anthropology are interesting, >I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this great nation. >I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high clearance however I am not an "experienced off roader"... >Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel time....Northern and / or Southern routes.... >No restrictions on where to go... >There are enough people on this list to have knowledge of most states.... >What stops / tours / sites would you consider "must see"? >What are your favorite places? >Are there people to contact at certain sites? >I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular views.... >no rush....casual trip. > > >Thanks in advance. > >Bill Dicks > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 11 11:54:40 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:54:40 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons In-Reply-To: <3EE760EF.8000908@netscape.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030611075923.023280c0@mail.aloha.net> If you get to Arizona here are two places that might not be overloaded with tourists: Chiricahua National Monument: trails winding through huge rhyolite columns, nice places for picnics. Bisbee: Mining & History Museum, Lavender Pit & Queen Mine. Don't know if you can collect, but the sight is impressive. Aloha, Kitty >DicksWi@northville.k12.mi.us wrote: > >>I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round trip...Michigan to Oregon. >>While plants and animals are beautiful, and archeology and anthropology >>are interesting, >>I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this great nation. >>I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high clearance however I am not an >>"experienced off roader"... >>Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel time....Northern and / or >>Southern routes.... >>No restrictions on where to go... >>There are enough people on this list to have knowledge of most states.... >>What stops / tours / sites would you consider "must see"? >>What are your favorite places? >>Are there people to contact at certain sites? >>I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular views.... >>no rush....casual trip. >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Bill Dicks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 12 11:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Dicks) Date: Thu Jun 12 10:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestons Message-ID: WOW! I continue to be impressed by the quality of responses on this list. Thanks you all sooooo much for your ideas for my summer trip. Between your naming of your specific "favorite spots" and the use of "Gem Trails", I should have an interesting and busy time. I am signing off now until August 20. Wishing you all a rewarding and fun summer "rockhounding". Thanks again Bill Dicks MESTA Board Member >>> Kitty & Bill Heacox 06/11/03 02:09PM >>> If you get to Arizona here are two places that might not be overloaded with tourists: Chiricahua National Monument: trails winding through huge rhyolite columns, nice places for picnics. Bisbee: Mining & History Museum, Lavender Pit & Queen Mine. Don't know if you can collect, but the sight is impressive. Aloha, Kitty >DicksWi@northville.k12.mi.us wrote: > >>I am seeking ideas for a summer road trip....round trip...Michigan to Oregon. >>While plants and animals are beautiful, and archeology and anthropology >>are interesting, >>I want to concentrate on the G E O L O G Y of this great nation. >>I will be driving a 4wd vehicle with high clearance however I am not an >>"experienced off roader"... >>Assuming a road trip with 3 - 4 weeks travel time....Northern and / or >>Southern routes.... >>No restrictions on where to go... >>There are enough people on this list to have knowledge of most states.... >>What stops / tours / sites would you consider "must see"? >>What are your favorite places? >>Are there people to contact at certain sites? >>I am interested in dig sites, tours, spectacular views.... >>no rush....casual trip. >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Bill Dicks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 12 11:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu Jun 12 10:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock swap & Sale Message-ID: <000d01c3310a$734d8500$c2af5a0c@fekib> There will be a rock swap and sale at the museum grounds of the Connecticut Antique Machinery Association, 1 mile north of Kent, CT on Rt. 7, June 14, from 9 AM to 4 PM. The mineral museum will be open. All are welcome. Tailgate swapping, $5; Selling, $15 (Sponsored by the Connecticut Antique Machinery Assoc. and the Danbury Mineral Society) Larry Rush www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 12 12:12:20 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:12:20 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sacramento area, June 20-21 References: <000d01c3310a$734d8500$c2af5a0c@fekib> Message-ID: <3EE8C265.3000701@earthlink.net> I will have a couple free days after doing a seminar at UC Davis. Anyone in the region might want to go around Gold country with someone who has never been? Thanks. Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 02:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Sun Jun 15 01:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <012901c33314$70b44250$6600a8c0@CPQ28298264587> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... > Any blue fluorescence? > I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas Gerais > and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless > elbaites don't. > > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Van" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a discovery of > > pink tourmaline in NH. > > > > Van > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Gilmore" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his long > > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica > slinkies, > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. Included > > in > > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light > > green > > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all > the > > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > > > Paul Gilmore > > > Andover, MA > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 07:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 15 06:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> <012901c33314$70b44250$6600a8c0@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: <008e01c33344$86658a20$6f9e77d5@pandora.be> Dave, your message was empty. Hit send too soon? I was the last one to reply on that thread so I thought I'd let you know... The Win32/Bugbear.B@mm is going around and that one tends to send random messages... Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave West" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... > > Any blue fluorescence? > > I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas Gerais > > and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless > > elbaites don't. > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Van" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a discovery > of > > > pink tourmaline in NH. > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Gilmore" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his > long > > > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica > > slinkies, > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. > Included > > > in > > > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light > > > green > > > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all > > the > > > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > > > > > Paul Gilmore > > > > Andover, MA > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 09:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 15 08:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> <012901c33314$70b44250$6600a8c0@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: <3EEC9279.2972@Tomaszewski.net> New Hampshire Mines and Mineral Localities by Philip Morrill lists colored tourmaline as being found at Groton, Hebron, /Hinsdale/, Marlow, Orford, Raymond, and Wapole in the index. Checking the specifics... The Palermo Mine (Cardigan 2-1-3-3-3) at Groton produces green tourmaline. The Hobart Hill Mine (Cardigan 2-9-3-9-9) at Hebron produced one pocket of colored tourmaline (no specifics). At Hinsdale a pocket was opened in a house basement in 1955 with blue and green tourmaline. The Turner Mine (Lovewell Mt 6-6-2-7-1) at Marlow produced blue and green (and black) tourmaline. The Cottonstone Mt Soapstone Mine (Mt Cube 2-9-6-7-2) at Orford produced brown tourmaline. The Chandler Mine (Mt Pawtuckaway 7-7-4-8-5) produced green (and black) tourmaline. The Chickering Mine (Bellows Falls 5-8-7-9-7) produced blue tourmaline. I suppose any of the long list of locations producing black tourmaline could be a candidate too. Hope this helps. Kreigh Dave West wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... > > Any blue fluorescence? > > I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas Gerais > > and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless > > elbaites don't. > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Van" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a discovery > of > > > pink tourmaline in NH. > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Gilmore" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his > long > > > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica > > slinkies, > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. > Included > > > in > > > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light > > > green > > > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all > > the > > > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > > > > > Paul Gilmore > > > > Andover, MA > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 11:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Sun Jun 15 10:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> <012901c33314$70b44250$6600a8c0@CPQ28298264587> <3EEC9279.2972@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003f01c33363$3d12b180$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> The message specifically referred to pink or red tourmaline. Colored tourmaline, by the way, is not the same as elbaite. Most (read all) of the blue tourmaline I've seen from NH is probably schorl or foitite, not elbaite. Some of the green is undoubtedly elbaite, but green tourmaline can be schorl as well. Morrill listed colors of tourmaline not species and most of his listings refer to lithium poor occurrences or at least tourmaline not in the same paragenesis as any lithium mineral. The Orford brown tourmaline from a marble is certainly a member of the dravite/uvite series. The Chickering mine indicolite is very dark and associated with siderite. Show me a single piece of genuinely green tourmaline from the Hobart Hill mine, Palermo, or Hinsdale. The Turner mine material is probably referring to the dravite from the contact as I have also yet to see green tourmaline from there, but there are many specimens of dravite from the contact which are dark green in thin splinters. The Chandler mine is probably an elbaite locality. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > New Hampshire Mines and Mineral Localities by Philip Morrill lists > colored tourmaline as being found at Groton, Hebron, /Hinsdale/, Marlow, > Orford, Raymond, and Wapole in the index. > > Checking the specifics... > > The Palermo Mine (Cardigan 2-1-3-3-3) at Groton produces green > tourmaline. The Hobart Hill Mine (Cardigan 2-9-3-9-9) at Hebron produced > one pocket of colored tourmaline (no specifics). At Hinsdale a pocket > was opened in a house basement in 1955 with blue and green tourmaline. > The Turner Mine (Lovewell Mt 6-6-2-7-1) at Marlow produced blue and > green (and black) tourmaline. The Cottonstone Mt Soapstone Mine (Mt Cube > 2-9-6-7-2) at Orford produced brown tourmaline. The Chandler Mine (Mt > Pawtuckaway 7-7-4-8-5) produced green (and black) tourmaline. The > Chickering Mine (Bellows Falls 5-8-7-9-7) produced blue tourmaline. > > I suppose any of the long list of locations producing black tourmaline > could be a candidate too. > > Hope this helps. > > Kreigh > > > Dave West wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Axel Emmermann" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... > > > Any blue fluorescence? > > > I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas Gerais > > > and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless > > > elbaites don't. > > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > Belgium > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > E-mail: > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > Visit our homepage: > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > My own web-site: > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Van" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a discovery > > of > > > > pink tourmaline in NH. > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Gilmore" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his > > long > > > > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica > > > slinkies, > > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > > > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. > > Included > > > > in > > > > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light > > > > green > > > > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > > > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all > > > the > > > > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > > > > > > > Paul Gilmore > > > > > Andover, MA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 21:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 15 20:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Minerals Question Message-ID: <3EED38C9.33CF@Tomaszewski.net> Does anyone know how many new minerals were accepted during 2002? Is there a website where newly accepted minerals (and those no longer accepted) can be tracked? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 21:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Sun Jun 15 20:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] "platinum moonstone" Message-ID: <000501c33113$d16cbd50$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Anybody know exactly what that is? A web search only turned up a couple of sites selling jewelry with stones of same, but no info on the stones. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 21:58:13 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Jun 15 20:58:13 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator Message-ID: <000401c33175$77ed9760$c94227c4@horstspc> Hi List, Anybody out there who has plans for a DIY fiber optic illuminator, which = can be used as a light source when viewing micromount specimens under a = stereo microscope? My photographic dealer tells me it is quite a simple thing - one needs = an autotransformer, a fan (obtainable from an old PC), two fiber optic = cables (to be ground and polished at either end, which may be the most = difficult part), two quartz halogen bulbs with fittings and of course = electric cables to connect the whole issue, and mount in a steel casing. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 22:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 15 21:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ad-Major Mineral Website Update Message-ID: Hi! I have recently acquired several new collections/lots. The latest is approximately 150 specimens which are deaccessions from the Lloyd Tate collection. There are many good specimens in this lot, mostly priced at $100 and up. There are some good things however for less money. I will post the entire lot to the website Tuesday morning, June 17, 2003 at 9 a.m. central standard time. Please note that I will leave St. Louis shortly after posting this to look at another collection that is for sale; any orders or correspondence will most likely not get a response from me until the following Wednesday evening. I have been working hard on preparing the mostly likely final lot of Elmwood specimens. The mines have been closed for over a month now. My plans are to post this to the website next, probably within a week or so. I will post the exact date and time of this posting to the home page very soon. I hope that you enjoy looking over the new specimens! There are some good ones! Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 314-341-1811 http://www.danweinrich.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 15 23:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: <000401c33175$77ed9760$c94227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: I've just started thinking about getting one myself. I just went to the Asheville, NC show and Jeff Scovil was there. He gave two terrific presentations of his photography and I have decided that I've just got to give it a try. I even paid him to take a couple of pics of a couple of my rocks. His set up was surprising low tech and looked to be affordable. The illuminator was the most expensive piece of equipment I saw him use while shooting. He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos and here are a couple of things to keep in mind for photography. 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color temperature will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then you can use a rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the life of the bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the intensity, you will need to use neutral density filters. 2. You really need a lens on the end of the light guides so you can focus the light. 3. The light guides he used were goose-neck which allows you to position them where you want without clamping--makes a good deal of sense. And you would probably want duel ones so that you could illuminate from both sides. 4. Its nice to have a filter system so that you could use a polarizing filter. I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, of course is not really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a macro lense and a bellows unit or extension rings. I did find this website which seems to have a good variety of guides. https://secure1.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=cuda&BusType= BtoC&Count1=998775660&Count2=915916085&Target=products%2Easp&ProductID=45&Pf net=True Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Horst Windisch > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:22 AM > To: rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > Hi List, > > Anybody out there who has plans for a DIY fiber optic > illuminator, which can be used as a light source when viewing > micromount specimens under a stereo microscope? > > My photographic dealer tells me it is quite a simple thing - one > needs an autotransformer, a fan (obtainable from an old PC), two > fiber optic cables (to be ground and polished at either end, > which may be the most difficult part), two quartz halogen bulbs > with fittings and of course electric cables to connect the whole > issue, and mount in a steel casing. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards, > Horst > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 02:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Mon Jun 16 01:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wyoming/Utah trip suggestions Message-ID: <040096001FE72E409D695C2D27A6A1C9014985@FILEFISH.nwifc.wa.gov> My family and I are taking a trip to southwestern Wyoming and northeastern Utah in a couple of days. This is mostly a family sightseeing/camping trip but I would like to get a couple of half days of rockhounding in. I have never been in this area before and am looking for suggestions on locations. Since I will be in the family mini-van I can't go too far off road although it has decent clearance and I don't mind driving on gravel/dirt roads. My main interests are agate/jasper and petrified wood but my son also likes fossils. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I also have a GPS so any specific coordinates would be great. =20 Thanks =20 =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 05:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 16 04:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator References: Message-ID: <001601c333f7$4dbbd540$a39f77d5@pandora.be> > He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos and here are a > couple of things to keep in mind for photography. > 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color temperature > will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then you can use a > rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the life of the > bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the intensity, > you will need to use neutral density filters. Or you can mount an iris from an old camera lens and put just in front of the fiber. That way you can dim the light without changing the color temperature. The collimator lens is the bulgy (mostly clear plastic) lens that you find in slide projectors. It is needed to focus the light of your halogen lamps on the entrance of the fiber. The heat filter is a thick (a few mm) sheet of polycarbonate plastic which is opaque to infrared. Without it the heat of the lamps would melt the collimator lens after (focused) cookong the mount of the optic fibre. You can also salvage that from an old projector. > I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, of course is not > really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a macro lense > and a bellows unit or extension rings. I have a signed copy of that book which I read about 5 times... To fully grasp what the book did for me you should look at my website http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/lightpla.htm . I would show you my photos from before I read Jeff's book but I'm afraid you'd have me thrown off the list... covered in tar and feathers. (Yes, THAT bad!) cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 07:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 16 06:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: <000401c33175$77ed9760$c94227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: I'd check out Edmund's Scientific for most of those parts: http://www.scientificsonline.com/ They may even have the complete illuminator for a reasonable price. You can buy the fans at most pc parts suppliers: www.newegg.com is a good one. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > Hi List, > > Anybody out there who has plans for a DIY fiber optic > illuminator, which can be used as a light source when viewing > micromount specimens under a stereo microscope? > > My photographic dealer tells me it is quite a simple thing - one > needs an autotransformer, a fan (obtainable from an old PC), two > fiber optic cables (to be ground and polished at either end, > which may be the most difficult part), two quartz halogen bulbs > with fittings and of course electric cables to connect the whole > issue, and mount in a steel casing. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards, > Horst > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 07:37:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 16 06:37:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator Message-ID: <1E0FEB67.4C77A1FC.02180873@aol.com> Keep us in the loop as you progress in building this.Particularly the cables. I acquired two illuminators without the cables from a surplus outfit a couple of years ago. I got the cases with transformer, fan, rheostat, lamp and iris, but not the fiber optic cables. What really fries me is I'm willing to bet the cables wound up getting thrown away or sold with a boxload of computer cables etc. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 6/13/2003 1:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Horst Windisch" writes: >Hi List, > >Anybody out there who has plans for a DIY fiber optic illuminator, which can be used as a light source when viewing  micromount specimens under a stereo microscope? > >My photographic dealer tells me it is quite a simple thing - one needs an autotransformer, a fan (obtainable from an old PC), two fiber optic cables (to be ground and polished at either end, which may be the most difficult part), two quartz halogen bulbs with fittings and of course electric cables to connect the whole issue, and mount in a steel casing. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Regards, >Horst > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative >  text/plain (text body -- kept) >  text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 10:40:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 16 09:40:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator References: Message-ID: <001301c33426$5f997540$a39f77d5@pandora.be> Some fiber optic cable may be recuperated from old Peugeot models (French automobiles, ever seen one in the USA???) and some vending machines. Before you go demolishing cars and vending machines, there is a snag: these fiber cables are used as optical ON/OFF switches and do not have optical grade quality. The light you send through is noticeably colored yellow. If you have a light guide with two or three arms (goose-necks) and lack a light source: someone with the right equipment and experience could try to mill an adapter that fits in your OLD slide projector (provided that your projector is solid enough to hold the weight). Such an adapter could be milled from aluminum or plastic (non thermoplastic) to match the form of the projector lens (allow for some slack for heat-expansion so don't make it fit too tight). If you have a modern projector, it probably has an autofocus that will probably shred itself trying to adjust the adapter. In that case you could try to rig an adapter that penetrates the lens opening only just far enough to prevent too much stray light and a) clamp the whole thing on the projector b) screw it onto a board so that you can place the projector behind it. Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > I'd check out Edmund's Scientific for most of those parts: > > http://www.scientificsonline.com/ > > They may even have the complete illuminator for a reasonable price. > > You can buy the fans at most pc parts suppliers: > > www.newegg.com > > is a good one. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > Hi List, > > > > Anybody out there who has plans for a DIY fiber optic > > illuminator, which can be used as a light source when viewing > > micromount specimens under a stereo microscope? > > > > My photographic dealer tells me it is quite a simple thing - one > > needs an autotransformer, a fan (obtainable from an old PC), two > > fiber optic cables (to be ground and polished at either end, > > which may be the most difficult part), two quartz halogen bulbs > > with fittings and of course electric cables to connect the whole > > issue, and mount in a steel casing. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Horst > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 11:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 16 10:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually after looking at the Edmunds site I have to say I'm disappointed. I'd heard that they were close to bankruptcy at one point and the results seem to be a drastic scaling back of products in stock. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > I'd check out Edmund's Scientific for most of those parts: > > http://www.scientificsonline.com/ > > They may even have the complete illuminator for a reasonable price. > > You can buy the fans at most pc parts suppliers: > > www.newegg.com > > is a good one. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > Hi List, > > > > Anybody out there who has plans for a DIY fiber optic > > illuminator, which can be used as a light source when viewing > > micromount specimens under a stereo microscope? > > > > My photographic dealer tells me it is quite a simple thing - one > > needs an autotransformer, a fan (obtainable from an old PC), two > > fiber optic cables (to be ground and polished at either end, > > which may be the most difficult part), two quartz halogen bulbs > > with fittings and of course electric cables to connect the whole > > issue, and mount in a steel casing. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Horst > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 12:04:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 16 11:04:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator Message-ID: <4EFB46B3.374D5621.02180873@aol.com> It looks like quality and quantity have suffered. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 6/16/2003 12:29:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, "J Bryan Kramer" writes: >Actually after looking at the Edmunds site I have to say I'm disappointed. >I'd heard that they were close to bankruptcy at one point and the results >seem to be a drastic scaling back of products in stock. > >Bryan > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 13:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Mon Jun 16 12:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> <012901c33314$70b44250$6600a8c0@CPQ28298264587> <008e01c33344$86658a20$6f9e77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <006801c3343f$aef85480$6601a8c0@rome01.tn.comcast.net> Sorry about that. I have no idea why the message was sent since I did not intend to send one. I have checked for viruses and am clean, so I chalk it up to a 1) mechanical problem, i.e., keyboard or 2) I have really, really ticked off the email gods. Sorry folks. DaveW----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Dave, your message was empty. Hit send too soon? > I was the last one to reply on that thread so I thought I'd let you know... > The Win32/Bugbear.B@mm is going around and that one tends to send random > messages... > > Cheers > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave West" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Axel Emmermann" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... > > > Any blue fluorescence? > > > I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas > Gerais > > > and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless > > > elbaites don't. > > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > Belgium > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > E-mail: > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > Visit our homepage: > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > My own web-site: > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Van" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a > discovery > > of > > > > pink tourmaline in NH. > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Gilmore" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his > > long > > > > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica > > > slinkies, > > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > > > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. > > Included > > > > in > > > > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are > light > > > > green > > > > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > > > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost > all > > > the > > > > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > > > > > > > Paul Gilmore > > > > > Andover, MA > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 14:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 16 13:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> <012901c33314$70b44250$6600a8c0@CPQ28298264587> <008e01c33344$86658a20$6f9e77d5@pandora.be> <006801c3343f$aef85480$6601a8c0@rome01.tn.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003f01c33449$5ed9e0e0$a39f77d5@pandora.be> Virus! But not from you. The latest BugBear sends messages with false sender addresses... My Norton AV+Firewall+provider AV services stops them dead. You're clean most likely, sorry to have alarmed you. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave West" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Sorry about that. I have no idea why the message was sent since I did not > intend to send one. I have checked for viruses and am clean, so I chalk it > up to a 1) mechanical problem, i.e., keyboard or 2) I have really, really > ticked off the email gods. > Sorry folks. > DaveW----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > Dave, your message was empty. Hit send too soon? > > I was the last one to reply on that thread so I thought I'd let you > know... > > The Win32/Bugbear.B@mm is going around and that one tends to send random > > messages... > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave West" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Axel Emmermann" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... > > > > Any blue fluorescence? > > > > I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas > > Gerais > > > > and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless > > > > elbaites don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > > Belgium > > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > > E-mail: > > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > > Visit our homepage: > > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > > My own web-site: > > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Van" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a > > discovery > > > of > > > > > pink tourmaline in NH. > > > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Paul Gilmore" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his > > > long > > > > > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica > > > > slinkies, > > > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The > "mica > > > > > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. > > > Included > > > > > in > > > > > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are > > light > > > > > green > > > > > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > > > > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost > > all > > > > the > > > > > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Gilmore > > > > > > Andover, MA > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 16 20:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Jun 16 19:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: <001601c333f7$4dbbd540$a39f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: Dear Axel, Nice, very nice. I espcially like the fluorescent calcite. Now this is off the subject a bit (but not as much as you might think), but here are some of my macro photos. What I need is names for them. When you first see them, what comes to mind. http://www.hockyjocky.com/tfa_photos.htm watch out if you are on dial up as the pictures are fairly large. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:06 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos and here are a > > couple of things to keep in mind for photography. > > 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color > temperature > > will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then you can use a > > rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the > life of the > > bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the > intensity, > > you will need to use neutral density filters. > > Or you can mount an iris from an old camera lens and put just in front of > the fiber. That way you can dim the light without changing the color > temperature. > The collimator lens is the bulgy (mostly clear plastic) lens that you find > in slide projectors. It is needed to focus the light of your halogen lamps > on the entrance of the fiber. > The heat filter is a thick (a few mm) sheet of polycarbonate plastic which > is opaque to infrared. Without it the heat of the lamps would melt the > collimator lens after (focused) cookong the mount of the optic fibre. You > can also salvage that from an old projector. > > > I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, of course is > not > > really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a > macro lense > > and a bellows unit or extension rings. > > I have a signed copy of that book which I read about 5 times... To fully > grasp what the book did for me you should look at my website > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/lightpla.htm . > I would show you my photos from before I read Jeff's book but I'm afraid > you'd have me thrown off the list... covered in tar and feathers. > (Yes, THAT > bad!) > > cheers > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 02:55:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 17 01:55:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator References: Message-ID: <001d01c334ae$6b953400$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> Thanks, yours are very aesthetic. Are they inclusions in glass or minerals? Or perhaps one of those lava-lamps? Or... do you paint perhaps? Anyway, this is original stuff! Much like a guy I know... He's a professional photographer with a eye for abstract art. Have a look: http://www.johanbuelens.com/toc.html You seem to have found a name for some of your photo's... Here is what I see in them: >From left to right, top to bottom: The pink ones; 1 Magenta rising, 2 Dawn of the antennae, 3 Bee's perspective, 4 Blues and anger. The yellows: 1 Yin & Yellow, 2 Yang & Yellow (I'd keep them together), 3 frozen flame greys: 1 overfishposed, 2 Subduned Blues: 1 Duck of paradise, 2 Dancing needles, 3 Blue bat chasing worm Greens: 1 Jupiter's green spot, 2 Surf 's up! Two browns and a blue-green: 1 Mother with eye, 2 Pillowing ballgame, 3 Watch over the moon (or even better: "E.T. phone home"). Bottom row: 1 "Oh Lord, I'm on my way" or "The road travelled", 2 Mosquito's Nightmare, 3 Man with balloons on hilltop, 4 Dentist's Nightmare. Like 'm? Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > Dear Axel, > > Nice, very nice. I espcially like the fluorescent calcite. > > Now this is off the subject a bit (but not as much as you might think), but > here are some of my macro photos. What I need is names for them. When you > first see them, what comes to mind. > > http://www.hockyjocky.com/tfa_photos.htm > > watch out if you are on dial up as the pictures are fairly large. > > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:06 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos and here are a > > > couple of things to keep in mind for photography. > > > 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color > > temperature > > > will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then you can use a > > > rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the > > life of the > > > bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the > > intensity, > > > you will need to use neutral density filters. > > > > Or you can mount an iris from an old camera lens and put just in front of > > the fiber. That way you can dim the light without changing the color > > temperature. > > The collimator lens is the bulgy (mostly clear plastic) lens that you find > > in slide projectors. It is needed to focus the light of your halogen lamps > > on the entrance of the fiber. > > The heat filter is a thick (a few mm) sheet of polycarbonate plastic which > > is opaque to infrared. Without it the heat of the lamps would melt the > > collimator lens after (focused) cookong the mount of the optic fibre. You > > can also salvage that from an old projector. > > > > > I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, of course is > > not > > > really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a > > macro lense > > > and a bellows unit or extension rings. > > > > I have a signed copy of that book which I read about 5 times... To fully > > grasp what the book did for me you should look at my website > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/lightpla.htm . > > I would show you my photos from before I read Jeff's book but I'm afraid > > you'd have me thrown off the list... covered in tar and feathers. > > (Yes, THAT > > bad!) > > > > cheers > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 09:15:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Tue Jun 17 08:15:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator References: <001d01c334ae$6b953400$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <3EEF3098.4000704@cox.net> Axel, If he doesn't, I sure do. Has anyone asked you to name their first born? Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 09:26:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Jun 17 08:26:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: <001d01c334ae$6b953400$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:57 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > Thanks, > > yours are very aesthetic. Are they inclusions in glass or minerals? Or > perhaps one of those lava-lamps? > Or... do you paint perhaps? Anyway, this is original stuff! > Much like a guy I know... He's a professional photographer with a eye for > abstract art. Have a look: http://www.johanbuelens.com/toc.html > > You seem to have found a name for some of your photo's... > Here is what I see in them: > > >From left to right, top to bottom: > > The pink ones; > 1 Magenta rising, 2 Dawn of the antennae, 3 Bee's perspective, 4 Blues and > anger. > > The yellows: > 1 Yin & Yellow, 2 Yang & Yellow (I'd keep them together), 3 frozen flame > > greys: > 1 overfishposed, 2 Subduned > > Blues: > 1 Duck of paradise, 2 Dancing needles, 3 Blue bat chasing worm > > Greens: > 1 Jupiter's green spot, 2 Surf 's up! > > Two browns and a blue-green: > 1 Mother with eye, 2 Pillowing ballgame, 3 Watch over the moon (or even > better: "E.T. phone home"). > > Bottom row: > 1 "Oh Lord, I'm on my way" or "The road travelled", 2 Mosquito's > Nightmare, > 3 Man with balloons on hilltop, 4 Dentist's Nightmare. > > Like 'm? > > Cheers > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:47 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > Dear Axel, > > > > Nice, very nice. I espcially like the fluorescent calcite. > > > > Now this is off the subject a bit (but not as much as you might think), > but > > here are some of my macro photos. What I need is names for > them. When you > > first see them, what comes to mind. > > > > http://www.hockyjocky.com/tfa_photos.htm > > > > watch out if you are on dial up as the pictures are fairly large. > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:06 AM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > > > > He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos > and here are > a > > > > couple of things to keep in mind for photography. > > > > 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color > > > temperature > > > > will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then > you can use > a > > > > rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the > > > life of the > > > > bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the > > > intensity, > > > > you will need to use neutral density filters. > > > > > > Or you can mount an iris from an old camera lens and put just in front > of > > > the fiber. That way you can dim the light without changing the color > > > temperature. > > > The collimator lens is the bulgy (mostly clear plastic) lens that you > find > > > in slide projectors. It is needed to focus the light of your halogen > lamps > > > on the entrance of the fiber. > > > The heat filter is a thick (a few mm) sheet of polycarbonate plastic > which > > > is opaque to infrared. Without it the heat of the lamps would melt the > > > collimator lens after (focused) cookong the mount of the optic fibre. > You > > > can also salvage that from an old projector. > > > > > > > I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, > of course > is > > > not > > > > really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a > > > macro lense > > > > and a bellows unit or extension rings. > > > > > > I have a signed copy of that book which I read about 5 > times... To fully > > > grasp what the book did for me you should look at my website > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/lightpla.htm . > > > I would show you my photos from before I read Jeff's book but > I'm afraid > > > you'd have me thrown off the list... covered in tar and feathers. > > > (Yes, THAT > > > bad!) > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > Belgium > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > E-mail: > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > Visit our homepage: > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > My own web-site: > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 09:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Jun 17 08:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: <001d01c334ae$6b953400$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: Excellent! I see you got into the spirit of it. Over the years, I have shown them to some people and asked the same thing and got some good reponses and some jolly good conversations (albeit usually with a bit of alcohol mixed in), but have to say yours are really fine. Understand, these were not "created" in the sense of a painter creating, but were found objects that I saw and captured their images. All are less than an inch large. Anyone else who cares to dive into such a "Name That Image" game feel free as I am now collecting them. I especially like yin yellow and yang yellow, and think I will reverse them to see what they would look like as a pair. They are the only ones that have been manipulated with photoshop other than spotting. The original was the yellow on white and I changed all the white to black. Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:57 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > Thanks, > > yours are very aesthetic. Are they inclusions in glass or minerals? Or > perhaps one of those lava-lamps? > Or... do you paint perhaps? Anyway, this is original stuff! > Much like a guy I know... He's a professional photographer with a eye for > abstract art. Have a look: http://www.johanbuelens.com/toc.html > > You seem to have found a name for some of your photo's... > Here is what I see in them: > > >From left to right, top to bottom: > > The pink ones; > 1 Magenta rising, 2 Dawn of the antennae, 3 Bee's perspective, 4 Blues and > anger. > > The yellows: > 1 Yin & Yellow, 2 Yang & Yellow (I'd keep them together), 3 frozen flame > > greys: > 1 overfishposed, 2 Subduned > > Blues: > 1 Duck of paradise, 2 Dancing needles, 3 Blue bat chasing worm > > Greens: > 1 Jupiter's green spot, 2 Surf 's up! > > Two browns and a blue-green: > 1 Mother with eye, 2 Pillowing ballgame, 3 Watch over the moon (or even > better: "E.T. phone home"). > > Bottom row: > 1 "Oh Lord, I'm on my way" or "The road travelled", 2 Mosquito's > Nightmare, > 3 Man with balloons on hilltop, 4 Dentist's Nightmare. > > Like 'm? > > Cheers > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:47 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > Dear Axel, > > > > Nice, very nice. I espcially like the fluorescent calcite. > > > > Now this is off the subject a bit (but not as much as you might think), > but > > here are some of my macro photos. What I need is names for > them. When you > > first see them, what comes to mind. > > > > http://www.hockyjocky.com/tfa_photos.htm > > > > watch out if you are on dial up as the pictures are fairly large. > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:06 AM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > > > > He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos > and here are > a > > > > couple of things to keep in mind for photography. > > > > 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color > > > temperature > > > > will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then > you can use > a > > > > rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the > > > life of the > > > > bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the > > > intensity, > > > > you will need to use neutral density filters. > > > > > > Or you can mount an iris from an old camera lens and put just in front > of > > > the fiber. That way you can dim the light without changing the color > > > temperature. > > > The collimator lens is the bulgy (mostly clear plastic) lens that you > find > > > in slide projectors. It is needed to focus the light of your halogen > lamps > > > on the entrance of the fiber. > > > The heat filter is a thick (a few mm) sheet of polycarbonate plastic > which > > > is opaque to infrared. Without it the heat of the lamps would melt the > > > collimator lens after (focused) cookong the mount of the optic fibre. > You > > > can also salvage that from an old projector. > > > > > > > I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, > of course > is > > > not > > > > really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a > > > macro lense > > > > and a bellows unit or extension rings. > > > > > > I have a signed copy of that book which I read about 5 > times... To fully > > > grasp what the book did for me you should look at my website > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/lightpla.htm . > > > I would show you my photos from before I read Jeff's book but > I'm afraid > > > you'd have me thrown off the list... covered in tar and feathers. > > > (Yes, THAT > > > bad!) > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > Belgium > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > E-mail: > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > Visit our homepage: > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > My own web-site: > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 10:40:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 17 09:40:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator References: <001d01c334ae$6b953400$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> <3EEF3098.4000704@cox.net> Message-ID: <008f01c334ef$486f7d00$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> Teresa, A vivid imagination comes in handy for naming artworks (Tommy's work should be seen... I find it stimulating and original) ... However, my imagination is often referred to in terms like "sick" or "deranged" by people who know me... I would not mind naming a newborn child when some irresponsible couple would ask me to. However, I tend to speak my mind without much sense of reserve and I'd probably name the child after what it resembles... ;-))))) The poor child might have to face life with an Indian style name like "Burping Turnip", "Wrinkleface", "Odorous One" or "Cross-eyed Warthog"...... Oh well, I'm kidding... except for the part of how people who know me call my imagination... So, no! Nobody asked me so far ;-))) Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "TA Masters" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > Axel, > If he doesn't, I sure do. Has anyone asked you to name their first born? > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 11:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Tue Jun 17 10:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wyoming/Utah trip suggestions In-Reply-To: <040096001FE72E409D695C2D27A6A1C9014985@FILEFISH.nwifc.wa.gov> Message-ID: in florissant, CO you can get fossils. i picked up rockhounding utah (or something similar from amazon) and found it to be great. stop by for salt xtls at great salt lakE! KM On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:19 AM, Mike Messenger wrote: > My family and I are taking a trip to southwestern Wyoming and > northeastern Utah in a couple of days. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 11:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 17 10:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator References: Message-ID: <00a501c334f9$1e539100$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> You have the artist's eye! Keep at it will you? Did you look at the website I mentioned? That guy does the same like you do but he does it with minerals. He asks about 425 US $ for a large print. I'd try to find some exposition room or even a gallery. Perhaps the Yin Yellow en Yang Yellow would look better if you 'd flip one of them around the vertical and horizontal axis. Great work! Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > Excellent! I see you got into the spirit of it. Over the years, I have > shown them to some people and asked the same thing and got some good > reponses and some jolly good conversations (albeit usually with a bit of > alcohol mixed in), but have to say yours are really fine. Understand, these > were not "created" in the sense of a painter creating, but were found > objects that I saw and captured their images. All are less than an inch > large. Anyone else who cares to dive into such a "Name That Image" game feel > free as I am now collecting them. > > I especially like yin yellow and yang yellow, and think I will reverse them > to see what they would look like as a pair. They are the only ones that have > been manipulated with photoshop other than spotting. The original was the > yellow on white and I changed all the white to black. > > Tommy Armstrong > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a > spark from their juxtaposition." > Max Ernst > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:57 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > yours are very aesthetic. Are they inclusions in glass or minerals? Or > > perhaps one of those lava-lamps? > > Or... do you paint perhaps? Anyway, this is original stuff! > > Much like a guy I know... He's a professional photographer with a eye for > > abstract art. Have a look: http://www.johanbuelens.com/toc.html > > > > You seem to have found a name for some of your photo's... > > Here is what I see in them: > > > > >From left to right, top to bottom: > > > > The pink ones; > > 1 Magenta rising, 2 Dawn of the antennae, 3 Bee's perspective, 4 Blues and > > anger. > > > > The yellows: > > 1 Yin & Yellow, 2 Yang & Yellow (I'd keep them together), 3 frozen flame > > > > greys: > > 1 overfishposed, 2 Subduned > > > > Blues: > > 1 Duck of paradise, 2 Dancing needles, 3 Blue bat chasing worm > > > > Greens: > > 1 Jupiter's green spot, 2 Surf 's up! > > > > Two browns and a blue-green: > > 1 Mother with eye, 2 Pillowing ballgame, 3 Watch over the moon (or even > > better: "E.T. phone home"). > > > > Bottom row: > > 1 "Oh Lord, I'm on my way" or "The road travelled", 2 Mosquito's > > Nightmare, > > 3 Man with balloons on hilltop, 4 Dentist's Nightmare. > > > > Like 'm? > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > Dear Axel, > > > > > > Nice, very nice. I espcially like the fluorescent calcite. > > > > > > Now this is off the subject a bit (but not as much as you might think), > > but > > > here are some of my macro photos. What I need is names for > > them. When you > > > first see them, what comes to mind. > > > > > > http://www.hockyjocky.com/tfa_photos.htm > > > > > > watch out if you are on dial up as the pictures are fairly large. > > > > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:06 AM > > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > > > > > > > He used a fiber optic illuminator to highlight his photos > > and here are > > a > > > > > couple of things to keep in mind for photography. > > > > > 1. the quartz-halogen bulb has to be at full power or the color > > > > temperature > > > > > will be off for 3200K film. If you are just viewing, then > > you can use > > a > > > > > rheostat to to decrease the intensity. This will increase the > > > > life of the > > > > > bulb a great deal. If you are photographing and need to lower the > > > > intensity, > > > > > you will need to use neutral density filters. > > > > > > > > Or you can mount an iris from an old camera lens and put just in front > > of > > > > the fiber. That way you can dim the light without changing the color > > > > temperature. > > > > The collimator lens is the bulgy (mostly clear plastic) lens that you > > find > > > > in slide projectors. It is needed to focus the light of your halogen > > lamps > > > > on the entrance of the fiber. > > > > The heat filter is a thick (a few mm) sheet of polycarbonate plastic > > which > > > > is opaque to infrared. Without it the heat of the lamps would melt the > > > > collimator lens after (focused) cookong the mount of the optic fibre. > > You > > > > can also salvage that from an old projector. > > > > > > > > > I bought his book but have not had a chance to read it. He, > > of course > > is > > > > not > > > > > really shooting through a microscope as you intend but with a > > > > macro lense > > > > > and a bellows unit or extension rings. > > > > > > > > I have a signed copy of that book which I read about 5 > > times... To fully > > > > grasp what the book did for me you should look at my website > > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/lightpla.htm . > > > > I would show you my photos from before I read Jeff's book but > > I'm afraid > > > > you'd have me thrown off the list... covered in tar and feathers. > > > > (Yes, THAT > > > > bad!) > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > > Belgium > > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > > E-mail: > > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > > Visit our homepage: > > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > > My own web-site: > > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 13:30:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 17 12:30:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c334ae$6b953400$fe9f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617080850.0200fec0@mail.aloha.net> At 05:50 AM 6/17/2003, you wrote: >....... Understand, these >were not "created" in the sense of a painter creating, but were found >objects that I saw and captured their images. All are less than an inch >large. .... > >Tommy Armstrong But what are they? where did you find them? Back in the 1970's when I was doing publicity for Kennedy Theatre in Honolulu I had a Gestetner duplicator to print news releases, flyers and the like. There was a supply of 9" x 15" absorbent paper on which I would lay used inked sheets, later to be discarded (the paper kept ink from gooping up the waste basket). One day as I dumped a stack of used stuff, a sheet separated from the paper and there was a fascinating pattern on the blotter where the sheet had wrinkled and folded. So I made it a habit to check the blotting paper and save those that had a neat accidental design. Some had traces of print that produced a Cubist/Collage/Pop Art effect. I've got about 40 of them still! Another combination of art and accident is the photogram process, or "photography without a camera," conducted in a darkroom. The most simple is to place objects (scissors, string, rocks) on photo paper, expose the paper to light, process with chemicals like real photos, and the result is white silhouettes of the objects on black background. For more complexity, place three-dimensional objects to cast shadows, or a crystal, prism or lens to bend the light. You can get really interesting effects by pouring things (ink, soap, sand) on the paper or on glass or plastic on top of the paper. You can also do "enlarged photograms" by placing objects in an enlarger. For example: take two pieces of clear photographic film (processed leader), or plastic cut to the same size as film (so it will fit in the negative holder), put a drop of India ink on one piece, press the other on top of it, then pull them apart. You'll have two slightly different "negatives" to print. Adding a bit of liquid soap or powdered cleanser to the ink will produce a different effect. [Aaron, I used the words "rocks" "crystal" and "sand." OK?] Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 16:38:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Jun 17 15:38:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617080850.0200fec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: > > But what are they? where did you find them? They are what YOU see in them. The beauty of abstract art is that each individual responds to it differently. If it elicits a response, the the object is in my opinion a success. For example what I saw as a cute subterranean teddy bear type creature surrounded by its entourage, Axel saw it as a "Dentist's Nightmare". Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 16:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ydain) Date: Tue Jun 17 15:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral/fossil association pictures References: Message-ID: <000b01c33521$66a6b4a0$53f93151@z3e0m1> Hi all ! I'm looking for pictures of association mineral/fossil on the same sample (not mineralised fossils). (please, send the pictures out of list) Also interested in exchanging samples. Regards. Y. Dain French collector of minerals http://www.chez.com/mineralzine/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 16:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 17 15:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617080850.0200fec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030617130458.01ffd700@mail.aloha.net> At 12:37 PM 6/17/2003, you wrote: > > > > But what are they? where did you find them? > >They are what YOU see in them. The beauty of abstract art is that each >individual responds to it differently. If it elicits a response, the the >object is in my opinion a success. I'm an artist myself, and I agree with you about the interpretation of art. What I meant was: What substance are they made of? You say you found them; where or how? Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 19:06:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jun 17 18:06:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wyoming/Utah trip suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Florissant was rather disappointing when we were out there a year ago. The material was already picked over and not much was to be found. I think they were having some machinery problems and maybe they are doing better now. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > in florissant, CO you can get fossils. i picked up rockhounding utah > (or something similar from amazon) and found it to be great. stop by > for salt xtls at great salt lakE! > KM > On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:19 AM, Mike Messenger wrote: > > > My family and I are taking a trip to southwestern Wyoming and > > northeastern Utah in a couple of days. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 19:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 17 18:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] darkrooms and digital Message-ID: <1d7.bb2b497.2c2120fb@aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/03 12:31:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kahako@aloha.net writes: > Another combination of art and accident is the photogram process, or > "photography without a camera," conducted in a darkroom. I also remember one time in (an absent minded, deep in thought state) when I opened my camera without rewinding the film. I slammed it shut as soon as I saw the film and realized I had not rewound it. I had a beautifully solarized negative that made a nice print. I bet you can't do that with a digital camera -- but there are plenty of new mistakes to make. I've got one on my digital camera right now that will not download, copy, or cut & paste to my computer. I'm going to try to download it on a Kodak Picture Maker before I decide to delete it. I've never had this problem before, where the camera records a photo number but I can't view it. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 20:25:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 17 19:25:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] darkrooms and digital References: <1d7.bb2b497.2c2120fb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EEFCD62.16AA@Tomaszewski.net> Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/17/03 12:31:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kahako@aloha.net writes: > > > Another combination of art and accident is the photogram process, or > > "photography without a camera," conducted in a darkroom. > > I've got one on my digital camera right now that will not download, copy, or > cut & paste to my computer. I'm going to try to download it on a Kodak Picture > Maker before I decide to delete it. I've never had this problem before, where > the camera records a photo number but I can't view it. > I have one (removable) memory card for my digital that exhibits the problem you report because it has some bad memory bits. I normally pull the card and use a reader connected to my computer to do the transfer, but with this card I have to use Serial Twain with Photoshop and download it directly from the camera. You might be able to get around the problem (but lose the picture) by reformatting the memory, but it could easily become a permanent problem and mean you need to replace the memory. The problem can also occur when recording pictures with low battery -- some bits in memory don't get set properly. New battery and reformatting fixes this. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 17 21:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Jun 17 20:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] List Photo Mineral Calendar Proposition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As it seems that there are some accomplished photographers on this list, I was thinking it would be kind of nice to have a calendar of various peoples favorite shots done by list subscribers. Maybe it could work something this: Have a person who has an existing website and was willing to post the candidates to his site. Have another person (or the same one) who was willing to receive and count email ballots for the lists members favorite shots. Say in early November have the cut off date for submitting pictures. After that date open the voting for list members (unique votes). Mid December announce winners Post them to www.cafepress.com and create a calendar that anyone could then purchase. I did one this year of some of my photos just for fun, and was pleased with the quality. Especially considering I did not get but one. I'm sure there are some quirks to be worked out, but it would be kind of nice. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 18 04:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 18 03:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] List Photo Mineral Calendar Proposition References: Message-ID: <005e01c33582$36e67780$24aa77d5@pandora.be> GOOD IDEA! Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:39 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] List Photo Mineral Calendar Proposition > As it seems that there are some accomplished photographers on this list, I > was thinking it would be kind of nice to have a calendar of various peoples > favorite shots done by list subscribers. > > Maybe it could work something this: > > Have a person who has an existing website and was willing to post the > candidates to his site. > > Have another person (or the same one) who was willing to receive and count > email ballots for the lists members favorite shots. > > Say in early November have the cut off date for submitting pictures. > > After that date open the voting for list members (unique votes). > > Mid December announce winners > > Post them to www.cafepress.com and create a calendar that anyone could then > purchase. I did one this year of some of my photos just for fun, and was > pleased with the quality. Especially considering I did not get but one. > > I'm sure there are some quirks to be worked out, but it would be kind of > nice. > > > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 18 10:33:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (mysfit) Date: Wed Jun 18 09:33:03 2003 Subject: Fwd: ALERT! VIRUS! Fwd: Re: [Rockhounds] Trying to locate Jon Gladwell Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030618103131.00b8bd90@pop.mindspring.com> Apparently I am not a member of yahoo groups so if someone would forward this please...I could have sworn I was in that group but all my messages are bounsing Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:30:52 -0600 To: rockhounds@yahoogroups.com From: mysfit Subject: ALERT! VIRUS! Fwd: Re: [Rockhounds] Trying to locate Jon   Gladwell FYI This email (below) contained the new Bugbear virus...if your anti-viral program DID NOT alert you, you are probably infected. See the norton.com site for instructions on how to clear the virus. From: {quot}Dawn M. Fredricks{quot} Subject: [Rockhounds] Trying to locate Jon Gladwell Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:57:57 +0100 Can anyone help me locate Jon Gladwell? I was in Nature of the Northwest (a cooperative bookstore with lots of maps and trip guides, etc. run by Oregon Dept Of Geology, the Forest service) and they asked if I knew how to get a hold of him. I haven't talked to him a a couple o --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 18 21:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 18 20:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #482 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <91.2f52f519.2c228ec9@aol.com> In a message dated 6/12/2003 6:01:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: > I will have a couple free days after doing a seminar at UC Davis. > > Anyone in the region might want to go around Gold country with someone > who has never been? > > Thanks. > > Jimmy > > I'd like to be included. I live in Folsom, but I'm not too familiar with where to get rocks - or gold - etc. Anyone else? Judy Jalust@aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 01:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Jun 20 00:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: Hi all, I seem to remember something on this list in the last couple years regarding the dangers of using antifreeze as a lubricant/coolant on a rock saw. Can someone please refresh my memory? A friend of mine says he knows a mine owner who uses antifreeze and we would like to tell him about the dangers before it's too late. Thanks, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 06:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 05:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: <51947041.50380ECE.02180873@aol.com> The key component of anti freeze is Ethylene Glycol. Here is some information from an MSDS "The estimated lethal oral dose in human adults is 100 ml. Initial symptoms on ingestion may include nausea, low backache, headache or weakness, progressing to dizziness, confusion, incoordination, loss of consciousness, convulsions and death. High blood acidity, low blood sugar and spasms due to low blood calcium may result. Other effects may include apprehension, involuntary movement of the eyes, irregular heart beat, facial paralysis and liver abnormalities. Large single oral doses tend to cause death through respiratory and/or cardiac failure while delayed death from smaller doses is more likely the result of organic injury to the kidneys and brain. Calcium oxalate deposition occurs in the brain, spinal cord and kidneys. As a vapor or mist it may irritate skin, eyes, nose and throat. Excessive inhalation may cause pulmonary edema (body fluid in the lungs). Symptoms may be delayed. May permeate the skin in toxic amounts." In other words this material can poison you outright or sicken you and can be absorbed in toxic amounts by drinking it, breathing the vapor or mist, or getting it on your skin. Sawing in particular creates a mist that you are not likely to be aware of as you work. I'd find something else. Gene Hartstein From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 08:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Fri Jun 20 07:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? References: Message-ID: <002001c33735$0172c900$6601a8c0@rome01.tn.comcast.net> I use RV anti freeze in my tumbler. It is not supposed to be the toxic monster the regular stuff is. Then again, it may not work like the regular stuff, either, in a saw. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:42 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? > Hi all, > > I seem to remember something on this list in the last couple years regarding > the dangers of using antifreeze as a lubricant/coolant on a rock saw. Can > someone please refresh my memory? A friend of mine says he knows a mine > owner who uses antifreeze and we would like to tell him about the dangers > before it's too late. > > Thanks, > > Bob Loeffler > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ > and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 08:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jun 20 07:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Micromount material Message-ID: <000e01c33735$49a5c1a0$225204d0@jim> I've updated the pricelist on the Sauktown Sales website with a number = of additions, most of which are one of a kind. The material is too = varied to describe. I've also made separate lists for all material currently available from = the Palermo #1 Mine and from Mont Ste. Hilaire. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 08:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 07:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? In-Reply-To: <51947041.50380ECE.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030620142152.29904.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> There is a nontoxic antifreeze - RV,etc - that can be used. We have 7 slab saws from 14 - 24 inch and have used it in all of those. Your blade life is less using antifreeze of any type.I suggest the coolant sold by Johnson Brothers or Raytech. Almag is an oil that is used - but 4 out of the 7 people that I know used it - have had various problems with cancer (my father included). We no longer use Almag. I have found that the coolant by Johnson Brothers is the best for the money with the best blade life. Chris --- FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: > The key component of anti freeze is Ethylene > Glycol. Here is some information from an MSDS > > "The estimated lethal oral dose in human adults is > 100 ml. Initial symptoms on ingestion may include > nausea, low backache, headache or weakness, > progressing to dizziness, confusion, incoordination, > loss of consciousness, convulsions and death. High > blood acidity, low blood sugar and spasms due to > low blood calcium may result. Other effects may > include apprehension, involuntary movement of the > eyes, irregular heart beat, facial paralysis and > liver abnormalities. > > Large single oral doses tend to cause death through > respiratory and/or cardiac failure while delayed > death from smaller doses is more likely the result > of organic injury to the kidneys and brain. Calcium > oxalate deposition occurs in the brain, spinal cord > and kidneys. > > As a vapor or mist it may irritate skin, eyes, nose > and throat. Excessive inhalation may cause pulmonary > edema (body fluid in the lungs). Symptoms may be > delayed. May permeate the skin in toxic > amounts." > > > In other words this material can poison you outright > or sicken you and can be absorbed in toxic amounts > by drinking it, breathing the vapor or mist, or > getting it on your skin. Sawing in particular > creates a mist that you are not likely to be aware > of as you work. > > I'd find something else. > > Gene Hartstein > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 08:30:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jun 20 07:30:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? In-Reply-To: <20030620142152.29904.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c33738$137ad860$6501a8c0@moose> I think that one thing that needs to be said is that darn near any liquid in aeresol form, except perhaps Plain Old Water, is not a good thing to be taking into your lungs. It's not that any liquid is "safe" to breathe in...it's just that some things are LESS unsafe than others. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > wrightsrockshop@yahoo.com > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:22 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? > > > There is a nontoxic antifreeze - RV,etc - From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 08:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 20 07:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Willemite Message-ID: <004501c3373c$bbe1aac0$11ab77d5@pandora.be> Hi people, green fluorescing willemite is one of those "well explained" cases where = the activator of the fluorescence is known beyond a doubt. Divalent = manganese is the cause and that 's it. Still, it would be presumptive to = state that ALL green fluorescing willemite is activated by manganese. Therefore: has any of you ever heard of willemite being activated by = uranyl? I know that uranyl is a wide spread intruder in a great number of = minerals but I need to know if there is a recorded case of willemite = being contaminated. Thanks Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: = axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: = http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: = http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: = http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 09:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Jun 20 08:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hi! (fwd) Message-ID: A voice from the past... -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox "You can fix anything with a big enough hammer and a lot of duct tape" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:08:15 -0700 From: Tom Corson To: afox@drizzle.com Subject: Hi! Hi Aaron! Just a quick note to let you know that I updated the old rockhounds page at http://www.infodyn.com/rockhounds/ to direct people to your page. I did leave the old page there for those who wanted to use the links on it. I'm glad to see what I started 10 years ago found a good home with you and that the mailing list is still in use! Pls give the folks on the list my warmest regards! Take care, TC -- ======================================================================== Thomas W. Corson Information Dynamics LLC corson@infodyn.com 18337 Swarthmore Drive 408-370-6910 Saratoga, California 95070 http://www.infodyn.com/ => World Class Products For World Class Companies <= ======================================================================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 09:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 08:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] concerning the Sanford Quarry on School Street.. Message-ID: <5F9B3E11.12501D27.09D92255@aol.com> To who it may concern...Does anyone on the list know of the status of this quarry and if it is open who we have to ask for permission to have a club dig there...I have acquired in a few places and came with nothing.Thanks...Have a great rockhounding summer...Christopher From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 09:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Hewitt) Date: Fri Jun 20 08:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] concerning the Sanford Quarry on School Street.. References: <5F9B3E11.12501D27.09D92255@aol.com> Message-ID: <006d01c33742$9f78d010$6401a8c0@superduper> Ummm ... .WHAT quarry? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] concerning the Sanford Quarry on School Street.. > To who it may concern...Does anyone on the list know of the status of this quarry and if it is open who we have to ask for permission to have a club dig there...I have acquired in a few places and came with nothing.Thanks...Have a great rockhounding summer...Christopher > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 09:49:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 08:49:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] concerning the Sanford Quarry on School Street.. Message-ID: <12e.2cc7cf2f.2c2486cc@aol.com> they are not quarries per say ...basically a short bemch and prospect pits --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 10:13:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Fri Jun 20 09:13:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] concerning the Sanford Quarry on School Street.. In-Reply-To: <5F9B3E11.12501D27.09D92255@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030620115056.01c7b3b0@po2.bbn.com> Chris, The Sanford, ME, USA vesuvianite prospect is on property owned by two brothers and they DO want to know who is collecting on their land. However, I was able to secure their permission for a Boston Mineral Club field trip there last year. We found that the 600 meter pit has been extensively dug out so that the pickings were slim unless you were willing and prepared to do some serious work. Don't get me wrong, everyone will find vesuvianite but finding nicely terminated pieces or calcite-filled vugs is harder than it used to be. If you have fluorescent collectors in your club you might extend the trip into the evening and go back after dark. We did and I was able to find both scheelite and powellite last year. The powellite seems to be more plentiful in the old collecting area closest to School Street while my best scheelite pieces were found in the 600 meter pit. None of the fluorescent specimens I found last year were well crystallized but I recently checked some specimens I collected in earlier years and found some small but sharp powellite crystals hiding in a cavity surrounded by vesuvianite crystals. Neat stuff! I think it is a good locality for both beginners and experienced collectors and it is a reasonable place to take kids. I do not have their contact information with me but will look it up this weekend and email it to you. When are you planning to go - my price for the info might be to join you on your club trip ;-) Best regards Nate Martin Lexington, MA At 11:39 AM 6/20/2003, you wrote: >To who it may concern...Does anyone on the list know of the status of this >quarry and if it is open who we have to ask for permission to have a club >dig there...I have acquired in a few places and came with >nothing.Thanks...Have a great rockhounding summer...Christopher >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 12:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 11:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] concerning the Sanford Quarry on School Street.. Message-ID: <598AAB18.1D204659.09D92255@aol.com> Hi Nate thanks for much for all the info..I have collected there alot and wanted to take my club the Worcester club there...Saturday June 28..I really wanted to gret back because I have gotten some real nice Red garnets there....One large one in a matrix looks like a space ship and is good size..Very nice sharp sides and in the microscope is clean and gemmy..Also seen some nice doipside and some scapolite..Have done well with some large and small terminated Vesvianiate pieces..Oh and I am a very hard workerlol..All sweat off me all the time...I would be very nice for you to come and meet our club.,.Dont know how many might show but I will..When I get there number from you will have to contact right away...Thanks again..Always to need to know any great collecters..Who dont know when to quit.....Talk to you soon....Christopher From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 18:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Jun 20 17:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? References: Message-ID: <000e01c3378b$f136fb40$ecb3950c@mel> Do aa search on MSDS (manufacturers saafety data sheet) and you'll find the problems with anti-freeze. I'll tell you now it is VERY dangerous, especially when the mist iws breathed. Mel Albright From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 18:33:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Jun 20 17:33:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: RV Anti-freeze Message-ID: <001a01c3378c$820c5020$ecb3950c@mel> Check out the MSDS via search and you'll find ALL the glycols are dangerous. Some RV's use methanol. It has a HIGH fire danger and check the MSDS also. You'll try a regular oil if you check. Mel Albright Call or hug someone you love today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 18:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Jun 20 17:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Almag and cancer References: <20030620142152.29904.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c3378d$1a25b0e0$ecb3950c@mel> Check the MSDS for almag (available from Texico). You'll find there is ZERO cancer hazard from this oil. It doesn't even contain ANY of the dangerous oil chemicals i.e. benzene, etc. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 20:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 19:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Almag and cancer In-Reply-To: <003501c3378d$1a25b0e0$ecb3950c@mel> Message-ID: <20030621025107.53292.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> I know - but if 4 of 7 people use it have skin cancer that is identical - it becomes a questionable coincidence. We checked the MSDS before we used it, but after 22 years of being in the oil for 8 hours a day 5-6 days a week might be a greater exposure than expected. Just as we called the the Poison Control center about Antifreeze and was told the main problem was animals and drinking, but the continued cutting commercally, does increase odds of contamination. Chris --- Mel Albright wrote: > Check the MSDS for almag (available from Texico). > You'll find there is ZERO > cancer hazard from this oil. It doesn't even contain > ANY of the dangerous > oil chemicals i.e. benzene, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 21:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 20:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] List Photo Mineral Calendar Proposition Message-ID: <3f.1e8d70de.2c2525de@aol.com> I for one will be willing to contribute a few photographs... Jeff From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 20 21:30:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 20:30:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: <22.3b238960.2c252b05@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/03 12:44:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bobl@peaktopeak.com writes: > A friend of mine says he knows a mineowner who uses antifreeze and we would > like to tell him about the dangers before it's too late. He is probably using the antifreeze we put in the water tanks of our RV. You put it in your tank, open a faucet so it is pumped into the pipes, and then you can leave your rig in sub zero temperature all winter. I don't know what it is but the active ingredient is named propylene glycol. It is safe for all drinking-water systems, it's inexpensive, so in the Spring you drain it out and fill the tanks with water and you are ready to go; no frozen pipes, no bad taste, and no toxic residue. It is also used to flush and winterize the tanks in sport fishing boats. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 21 07:44:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jun 21 06:44:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: RV Anti-freeze References: <001a01c3378c$820c5020$ecb3950c@mel> Message-ID: <000a01c337fa$b2048c20$1b5204d0@jim> The RV anti-freeze yu find today is propylene glycol. It is potable. You could never use methanol in a potable water system. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Albright" To: Cc: "Rockhounds" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: RV Anti-freeze > Check out the MSDS via search and you'll find ALL the glycols are dangerous. > Some RV's use methanol. It has a HIGH fire danger and check the MSDS also. > > You'll try a regular oil if you check. > > Mel Albright > > Call or hug someone you love today! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 21 10:43:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 21 09:43:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Almag and cancer In-Reply-To: <20030621025107.53292.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is actually a cheap very distasteful sustenance that could be added to a lot of these toxic materials found in or around the home. This would make the material too foul tasting for animals or small children. For some reason that I cannot understand manufacturers have resisted this addition. Ethylene glycol actually has a sweet taste which exacerbates the problem. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > I know - but if 4 of 7 people use it have skin cancer > that is identical - it becomes a questionable > coincidence. We checked the MSDS before we used it, > but after 22 years of being in the oil for 8 hours > a day 5-6 days a week might be a greater exposure > than expected. > Just as we called the the Poison Control center about > Antifreeze and was told the main problem was animals > and drinking, but the continued cutting commercally, > does increase odds of contamination. > > Chris > > --- Mel Albright wrote: > > Check the MSDS for almag (available from Texico). > > You'll find there is ZERO > > cancer hazard from this oil. It doesn't even contain > > ANY of the dangerous > > oil chemicals i.e. benzene, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ===== > Thanks, > Chris Wright > Wrights Rock Shop > 3612 Albert Pike > Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 > wrightsr@ipa.net > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 21 21:45:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Sat Jun 21 20:45:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bloomington, IN show reminder Message-ID: <3EF526B5.1E9139C6@icx.net> List memember, I wanted to remind you about one of my favorite show coming up next weekend ... the 38th Annual Gem, Mineral, and Fossil Show in Bloomington, IN. This is a "fun" show. You never know who/what will show up! It is a very laid back event ... lots of dealers, both large and small (business wise!) inside and outside. A few of the usual "suspects" usually try to plan a gathering of list members during the show so that we can put names with faces and meet newer members of the various lists. Since my booth, Volunteer Gems, and Keith Hayes's ( http://www.kqminerals.com ) are back to back, it has sort of become the "meeting place". We're in the main building, center row. It's hard to miss my booth with the UT (University of Tennessee) orange table coverings. So far, I know that Stan Perry ( http://www.emineralshow.com/rgangue.htm ) and Kevin Conroy ( http://www.kcminerals.com/ ) will be there. We're planning on meeting around noon, Saturday, the 28th. Please be sure to let us know who you are and from what list. Want to see what the Bloomington show is like? Stan Perry placed an article, with pictures, on his web site of the 2001 show. You can find it at: http://www.emineralshow.com/show2.htm . Who knows, your picture may be in his next article! OK, here is the information for the show: Dates: June 27-29, 2003 Hours: Friday, 10:00 am - 7:00 pm Saturday 8:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday 8:00 am - 4:00 pm Location: Monroe County Farigrounds, Bloomington, IN Southwest of Junction Ind. 37 and Ind. 45 S 1 2/10 miles on Ind 45, then 7/10 mile on Airport Road, West of Bloomington. Look for the signs. Need any other information? Send me an e-mail and I will try to help! Oh, yea, Keith and I will have MANY WONDERFUL minerals, etc for sale. Feel free to buy anything that strikes your fancy. But DON'T feel obligated to do so! PLEASE stop by, say "HI!" and introduce yourself. We usually have a great time at this informal "meeting". Try to be a part of it this year! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 21 22:24:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Jun 21 21:24:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Does Anyone Else Like to Collect Mineral Pictures on the Web? In-Reply-To: <3EF526B5.1E9139C6@icx.net> Message-ID: Although its not quite a full blown addiction, many times when surfing the web, I see a rock that is really grabs my fancy. Most of course are out of my price range, but I still have this compulsion to save the picture. Well they end up getting saved all over the place-each time I think that my newest method of filing is better than the last. Well I decided to write a little database program so that I could control them. I'm needing a couple of beta testers to put it through the wringer and hopefully come up with some other functionalities they would like to have. If you have the same compulsion as I, what would you like to see in such an application, and how much time should it take to input a picture. Downloading copyrighted pictures for personal use is completely lawful, but to use them for anything else would of course need permission. Current functions: Search by mineral,nation, state, county, mine, or town. Map site with interactive web mapping sites including topo's for USA Make a copy and name it with useful file names quickly and consistantly Save photographer and owner info with picture Save in depth description about specimen Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 22 15:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Sun Jun 22 14:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? References: <22.3b238960.2c252b05@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c33908$cb927300$eab3950c@mel> A selection of the data from the MSDS for propylene glycol: Section 8 - Exposure Controls & Personal Protection 11024 PROPYLENE GLYCOL USP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Repiratory Protection: IF EXPOSURE LIMITS ARE EXCEEDED/IF EXPOSURE MAY OCCUR, USE A NIOSH/MSHA RESPIRATOR APPROVED FOR YOUR CONDITIONS OF EXPOSURE & IN COMPLIANCE W/OSHA REQUIREMENTS IN 29 CFR 1910.134. FOR EMERGENCIES, A N IOSH/MSHA APPROVED POSITIVE PRESSURE BREATHING APPARATUS SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE. Ventilation: ADEQUATE IS REQUIRED TO MINIMIZE EXPOSURE/TO MAINTAIN EXPOSURE LEVELS BELOW OSHA/ACGIH REQUIREMENTS. Protective Gloves: IMPERVIOUS Eye Protection: CHEMICAL GOGGLES Other Protective Equipment: CLEAN BODY COVERING, SAFETY SHOWER, EYE WASH FOUNTAIN, WASHING FACILITIES. Work Hygenic Practices: REMOVE/LAUNDER CONTAMINATED CLOTHING & SHOES BEFORE REUSE. Supplemental Health & Safety Information: ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION WHEN WORKING W/CHEMICALS. DON'T WEAR CONTACT LENSES WHEN WORKING W/CHEMICALS. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 22 16:14:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jun 22 15:14:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? In-Reply-To: <000601c33908$cb927300$eab3950c@mel> Message-ID: I don't know where you got that but you need to read MSDSes with a careful eye. They can vary a lot by manufacturer for the same product, Mallinkrodt a major chemical manufacturer says in their MSDS: ------------------------------------------------------- 3. Hazards Identification Emergency Overview -------------------------- CAUTION! MAY CAUSE IRRITATION TO SKIN AND EYES. J.T. Baker SAF-T-DATA(tm) Ratings (Provided here for your convenience) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Health Rating: 0 - None <-------------------------------------------------------==========****** Flammability Rating: 1 - Slight Reactivity Rating: 1 - Slight Contact Rating: 1 - Slight Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES; LAB COAT Storage Color Code: Orange (General Storage) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Potential Health Effects ---------------------------------- Inhalation: No adverse health effects via inhalation. <-----------------------------------------------=========== Ingestion: Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems. Skin Contact: Mild irritant and defatting agent, especially on prolonged contact. Eye Contact: May cause transitory stinging and tearing. Chronic Exposure: Lactic acidosis, stupor and seizures have been reported following chronic ingestion. Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions: Kidney disorders 4. First Aid Measures Inhalation: Remove to fresh air. Not expected to require first aid measures. Ingestion: Not expected to require first aid measures. Give several glasses of water to drink to dilute. If large amounts were swallowed, get medical advice. Skin Contact: Remove any contaminated clothing. Wash skin with soap and water for at least 15 minutes. Get medical attention if irritation develops or persists. Eye Contact: In case of contact, immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting upper and lower eyelids occasionally. Call a physician if irritation persists. Note to Physician: In case of ingestion, monitor for acidosis and central nervous system changes. Exposed persons with previous kidney dysfunction may require special treatment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- This stuff is approved for use in foods and cosmetics so it is not very toxic. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Mel Albright > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 16:54 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? > > > A selection of the data from the MSDS for propylene glycol: > > Section 8 - Exposure Controls & Personal Protection > 11024 PROPYLENE GLYCOL USP > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ---- > Repiratory Protection: > IF EXPOSURE LIMITS ARE EXCEEDED/IF EXPOSURE MAY OCCUR, USE A NIOSH/MSHA > RESPIRATOR APPROVED FOR YOUR CONDITIONS OF EXPOSURE & IN COMPLIANCE W/OSHA > REQUIREMENTS IN 29 CFR 1910.134. FOR EMERGENCIES, A N IOSH/MSHA APPROVED > POSITIVE PRESSURE BREATHING APPARATUS SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE. > Ventilation: > ADEQUATE IS REQUIRED TO MINIMIZE EXPOSURE/TO MAINTAIN EXPOSURE > LEVELS BELOW > OSHA/ACGIH REQUIREMENTS. > Protective Gloves: > IMPERVIOUS > Eye Protection: CHEMICAL GOGGLES > Other Protective Equipment: CLEAN BODY COVERING, SAFETY SHOWER, EYE WASH > FOUNTAIN, WASHING FACILITIES. > Work Hygenic Practices: REMOVE/LAUNDER CONTAMINATED CLOTHING & > SHOES BEFORE > REUSE. > Supplemental Health & Safety Information: ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION WHEN > WORKING W/CHEMICALS. DON'T WEAR CONTACT LENSES WHEN WORKING W/CHEMICALS. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 22 17:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Jun 22 16:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? References: Message-ID: <003901c33913$af6b1be0$605204d0@jim> You also have to remember that an MSDS is neither a health nor a safety document. It is a document required by the government, and therefore is written to cover the manufacturer's hind end. Every conceivable hazard, not matter how unlikely, is listed so they can't be sued for failure to warn. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? > I don't know where you got that but you need to read MSDSes with a careful > eye. They can vary a lot by manufacturer for the same product, Mallinkrodt a > major chemical manufacturer says in their MSDS: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > 3. Hazards Identification > Emergency Overview > -------------------------- > CAUTION! MAY CAUSE IRRITATION TO SKIN AND EYES. > > J.T. Baker SAF-T-DATA(tm) Ratings (Provided here for your convenience) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------- > Health Rating: 0 - None > <-------------------------------------------------------==========****** > Flammability Rating: 1 - Slight > Reactivity Rating: 1 - Slight > Contact Rating: 1 - Slight > Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES; LAB COAT > Storage Color Code: Orange (General Storage) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------- > Potential Health Effects > ---------------------------------- > > Inhalation: > No adverse health effects via inhalation. > <-----------------------------------------------=========== > Ingestion: > Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause > some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. > Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems. > Skin Contact: > Mild irritant and defatting agent, especially on prolonged contact. > Eye Contact: > May cause transitory stinging and tearing. > Chronic Exposure: > Lactic acidosis, stupor and seizures have been reported following chronic > ingestion. > Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions: > Kidney disorders > > 4. First Aid Measures > Inhalation: > Remove to fresh air. Not expected to require first aid measures. > Ingestion: > Not expected to require first aid measures. Give several glasses of water to > drink to dilute. If large amounts were swallowed, get medical advice. > Skin Contact: > Remove any contaminated clothing. Wash skin with soap and water for at least > 15 minutes. Get medical attention if irritation develops or persists. > Eye Contact: > In case of contact, immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least > 15 minutes, lifting upper and lower eyelids occasionally. Call a physician > if irritation persists. > > Note to Physician: > In case of ingestion, monitor for acidosis and central nervous system > changes. Exposed persons with previous kidney dysfunction may require > special treatment. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -------- > > This stuff is approved for use in foods and cosmetics so it is not very > toxic. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Mel Albright > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 16:54 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? > > > > > > A selection of the data from the MSDS for propylene glycol: > > > > Section 8 - Exposure Controls & Personal Protection > > 11024 PROPYLENE GLYCOL USP > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------- > > ---- > > Repiratory Protection: > > IF EXPOSURE LIMITS ARE EXCEEDED/IF EXPOSURE MAY OCCUR, USE A NIOSH/MSHA > > RESPIRATOR APPROVED FOR YOUR CONDITIONS OF EXPOSURE & IN COMPLIANCE W/OSHA > > REQUIREMENTS IN 29 CFR 1910.134. FOR EMERGENCIES, A N IOSH/MSHA APPROVED > > POSITIVE PRESSURE BREATHING APPARATUS SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE. > > Ventilation: > > ADEQUATE IS REQUIRED TO MINIMIZE EXPOSURE/TO MAINTAIN EXPOSURE > > LEVELS BELOW > > OSHA/ACGIH REQUIREMENTS. > > Protective Gloves: > > IMPERVIOUS > > Eye Protection: CHEMICAL GOGGLES > > Other Protective Equipment: CLEAN BODY COVERING, SAFETY SHOWER, EYE WASH > > FOUNTAIN, WASHING FACILITIES. > > Work Hygenic Practices: REMOVE/LAUNDER CONTAMINATED CLOTHING & > > SHOES BEFORE > > REUSE. > > Supplemental Health & Safety Information: ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION WHEN > > WORKING W/CHEMICALS. DON'T WEAR CONTACT LENSES WHEN WORKING W/CHEMICALS. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 22 19:19:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 22 18:19:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: <11c.23a77cd2.2c27af7a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/03 4:20:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 jbryankramer@msn.com writes: > I don't know where you got that but you need to read MSDSes with a careful > eye. They can vary a lot by manufacturer for the same product, Mallinkrodt= a > major chemical manufacturer says in their MSDS: >=20 The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR=20 -http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html) reports, "The Food and Drug Adminis= tration (FDA) has=20 classified propylene glycol as an additive that is =E2=80=9Cgenerally recogn= ized as safe =E2=80=9D for use in food. It is used to absorb extra water and maintain moi= sture in=20 certain medicines, cosmetics, or food products. It is a solvent for food=20 colors and flavors. Propylene glycol is also used to create artificial smoke= or fog=20 used in fire-fighting training and in theatrical productions.=20 What happens to ethylene glycol and propylene glycol when they enter the=20 environment?=20 Neither compound is likely to exist in large amounts in air.=20 About half of the compounds that enter the air will break down in 24=E2=80= =9350=20 hours.=20 Both compounds break down within several days to a week in water and soil.=20 How might I be exposed to ethylene glycol and propylene glycol?=20 You can be exposed to propylene glycol by eating food products, using=20 cosmetics, or taking medicine that contains it.=20 Nuff said. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 00:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 22 23:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze / Water and rock saws? Message-ID: MSDS for cutting with water... In case of skin contact... Dry with towel Water Mist inhalation.... May remove person to dry / low humidity area.. Preferably desert local, where more rocks can be gathered for water only sawing... In memory & tribute to Walt Bowser.. One of the best jokesters .... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 08:19:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon Jun 23 07:19:01 2003 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator Message-ID: <003801c33630$0df50f40$873f27c4@horstspc> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Windisch" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > Hi List, > > It seems on opening my e-mail this evening, that most have "gone off on a > tangent" vis a vis the original request of obtaining some plans to construct > a fibre optic illuminator? > > In the meantime, thanks to those who have given me some input, but this is > still not enough to construct the fibre optic illuminator. > > Regards, > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > Teresa, > > > > A vivid imagination comes in handy for naming artworks (Tommy's work > should > > be seen... I find it stimulating and original) ... > > However, my imagination is often referred to in terms like "sick" or > > "deranged" by people who know me... I would not mind naming a newborn > child > > when some irresponsible couple would ask me to. However, I tend to speak > my > > mind without much sense of reserve and I'd probably name the child after > > what it resembles... ;-))))) > > The poor child might have to face life with an Indian style name like > > "Burping Turnip", "Wrinkleface", "Odorous One" or "Cross-eyed > Warthog"...... > > > > Oh well, I'm kidding... except for the part of how people who know me call > > my imagination... > > So, no! Nobody asked me so far ;-))) > > > > Axel Emmermann > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > B-2640 Mortsel > > Belgium > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > E-mail: > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > Visit our homepage: > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > My own web-site: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TA Masters" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > Axel, > > > If he doesn't, I sure do. Has anyone asked you to name their first born? > > > Teresa > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 08:19:25 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon Jun 23 07:19:25 2003 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator Message-ID: <010501c3369e$d33e1620$e54027c4@horstspc> Hi List, Am resending as I have had a virus on my PC since 15th June, preventing from e-mails being despatched (although I could receive). Regards, Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Windisch" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst Windisch" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > Hi List, > > > > It seems on opening my e-mail this evening, that most have "gone off on a > > tangent" vis a vis the original request of obtaining some plans to > construct > > a fibre optic illuminator? > > > > In the meantime, thanks to those who have given me some input, but this is > > still not enough to construct the fibre optic illuminator. > > > > Regards, > > Horst > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Axel Emmermann" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > Teresa, > > > > > > A vivid imagination comes in handy for naming artworks (Tommy's work > > should > > > be seen... I find it stimulating and original) ... > > > However, my imagination is often referred to in terms like "sick" or > > > "deranged" by people who know me... I would not mind naming a newborn > > child > > > when some irresponsible couple would ask me to. However, I tend to speak > > my > > > mind without much sense of reserve and I'd probably name the child after > > > what it resembles... ;-))))) > > > The poor child might have to face life with an Indian style name like > > > "Burping Turnip", "Wrinkleface", "Odorous One" or "Cross-eyed > > Warthog"...... > > > > > > Oh well, I'm kidding... except for the part of how people who know me > call > > > my imagination... > > > So, no! Nobody asked me so far ;-))) > > > > > > Axel Emmermann > > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > > > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > > > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > > > B-2640 Mortsel > > > Belgium > > > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > > > E-mail: > > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > Visit our homepage: > > > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > > > Bezoek onze web-site: > > > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > > > My own web-site: > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TA Masters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fibre Optic Illuminator > > > > > > > > > > Axel, > > > > If he doesn't, I sure do. Has anyone asked you to name their first > born? > > > > Teresa > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 08:19:33 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Jun 23 07:19:33 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] diamonds In-Reply-To: <000e01c3378b$f136fb40$ecb3950c@mel> Message-ID: <5249FFE8-A388-11D7-9E56-000A27A8D0F0@his.com> DIAMONDS The Smithsonian will soon have a very special exhibit of 7 new faceted diamonds (found since the 1980s), some of which have never before been exhibited. All are on loan from different sources and will never be shown together again. The largest known pink, red and orange diamonds as well as a 203 carat colorless, 2 blue diamonds and one yellow one will be in a special case near the Hope Diamond in the Museum of Natural History. The exhibit runs from June 27-Sept. 15, 2003. Cathy Gaber From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 08:19:41 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Neri) Date: Mon Jun 23 07:19:41 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Does Anyone Else Like to Collect Mineral Pictures on the Web? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy, I'd like to volunteer my services as a beta tester. I write manuals about software and will be happy to do a "user guide" for you if you like. Pete Neri -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tommy Armstrong Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 10:24 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Does Anyone Else Like to Collect Mineral Pictures on the Web? Although its not quite a full blown addiction, many times when surfing the web, I see a rock that is really grabs my fancy. Most of course are out of my price range, but I still have this compulsion to save the picture. Well they end up getting saved all over the place-each time I think that my newest method of filing is better than the last. Well I decided to write a little database program so that I could control them. I'm needing a couple of beta testers to put it through the wringer and hopefully come up with some other functionalities they would like to have. If you have the same compulsion as I, what would you like to see in such an application, and how much time should it take to input a picture. Downloading copyrighted pictures for personal use is completely lawful, but to use them for anything else would of course need permission. Current functions: Search by mineral,nation, state, county, mine, or town. Map site with interactive web mapping sites including topo's for USA Make a copy and name it with useful file names quickly and consistantly Save photographer and owner info with picture Save in depth description about specimen Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 08:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael J. Colella @ Colellaphoto.com) Date: Mon Jun 23 07:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Does Anyone Else Like to Collect Mineral Pictures on the Web? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would also like to test your program. I like to keep photos of Suiseki that I find while browsing. That would be very helpful. Mike Colella Photography E-mail: mike@colellaphoto.com Web: colellaphoto.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Pete Neri Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 1:41 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Does Anyone Else Like to Collect Mineral Pictures on the Web? Tommy, I'd like to volunteer my services as a beta tester. I write manuals about software and will be happy to do a "user guide" for you if you like. Pete Neri -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tommy Armstrong Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 10:24 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Does Anyone Else Like to Collect Mineral Pictures on the Web? Although its not quite a full blown addiction, many times when surfing the web, I see a rock that is really grabs my fancy. Most of course are out of my price range, but I still have this compulsion to save the picture. Well they end up getting saved all over the place-each time I think that my newest method of filing is better than the last. Well I decided to write a little database program so that I could control them. I'm needing a couple of beta testers to put it through the wringer and hopefully come up with some other functionalities they would like to have. If you have the same compulsion as I, what would you like to see in such an application, and how much time should it take to input a picture. Downloading copyrighted pictures for personal use is completely lawful, but to use them for anything else would of course need permission. Current functions: Search by mineral,nation, state, county, mine, or town. Map site with interactive web mapping sites including topo's for USA Make a copy and name it with useful file names quickly and consistantly Save photographer and owner info with picture Save in depth description about specimen Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 20:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 23 19:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: <134.21af823b.2c290b0d@aol.com> It is important to recognize that there is a big difference between propylen= e=20 glycol and ethylene glycol. I suspect you are pointing out that propylene=20 glycol isn't toxic. I agree. We would be remiss however if we left folks=20 believing that the same applies to ethylene glycol. Funny how much differenc= e a single=20 carbon makes, but then there is a big difference in toxicity between methano= l=20 and ethanol or formic acid and acetic acid... right? Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:30:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Lapadary@aol.com writes: > >I don't know where you got that but you need to read MSDSes with a carefu= l > >eye. They can vary a lot by manufacturer for the same product, Mallinkrod= t=20 > a > >major chemical manufacturer says in their MSDS: > > >=20 > The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR=20 > -http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html) reports, "The Food and Drug=20 > Administration (FDA) has=20 > classified propylene glycol as an additive that is =E2=80=9Cgenerally reco= gnized as=20 > safe > =E2=80=9D for use in food. It is used to absorb extra water and maintain m= oisture in=20 >=20 > certain medicines, cosmetics, or food products. It is a solvent for food=20 > colors and flavors. Propylene glycol is also used to create artificial smo= ke=20 > or fog=20 > used in fire-fighting training and in theatrical productions.=20 >=20 > What happens to ethylene glycol and propylene glycol when they enter the=20 > environment?=20 > Neither compound is likely to exist in large amounts in air.=20 > About half of the compounds that enter the air will break down in 24=E2= =80=9350=20 > hours.=20 > Both compounds break down within several days to a week in water and soil.= =20 > How might I be exposed to ethylene glycol and propylene glycol?=20 > You can be exposed to propylene glycol by eating food products, using=20 > cosmetics, or taking medicine that contains it.=20 >=20 > Nuff said. >=20 > Grant >=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 21:24:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Brian Doll) Date: Mon Jun 23 20:24:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saddle Mountains trip report and Diatomite pits update Message-ID: Hi All! I went up to the Saddle Mountains last Saturday. This time my mom, my brother and his daughter came along. We went to the east collecting area - for those who know about it. Its nice on that half because its not picked over - wood laying on top of the ground for miles, and a little digging reveals larger pieces. We found a very dangerous hole - at least twenty feet deep and ten feet across. If there was a log in there - they were some pretty damn dedicated rockhounds to dig that deep! (there were pieces all around the hole in the tailing piles). We all collected our limit in a few hours, and moved on the the diatomite pits: I havnt been there in almost two years, so this may not be news to you, but all the old collecting areas at the pits are now reclaimed and buried. But heres the good news: There is a new, huge pit opened up, and there is soo much material to collect that it is overwhelming! Ron - if you are out there, there are 1000 pound+ pieces laying everywhere - in easy locations to pick up! I think that this pit it better than all the other ones combined! Cant wait to get back there - (with a big truck!). Gotta go for now - happy hounding! Saddle mountains - WA, USA Diatomite Pits - George, WA, USA Brian Doll _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 21:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Timothy B Strong) Date: Mon Jun 23 20:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ontario Collecting Message-ID: <20030623.235137.-16495285.0.strongtb@juno.com> I am heading to Pointe Au Baril, Ontario in late July. Are there any good places to collect minerals in the area north of Parry Sound. Also planning to take my kids to Science North in Sudbury-are there any collecting spots on the way. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 23 23:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Jun 23 22:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? In-Reply-To: <11c.23a77cd2.2c27af7a@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Thank you so much for the responses regarding the antifreeze and rock saws. I have passed on the info, so hopefully it will make a difference and keep everyone safe. Regards, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lapadary@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:19 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? In a message dated 6/22/03 4:20:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes: > I don't know where you got that but you need to read MSDSes with a careful > eye. They can vary a lot by manufacturer for the same product, Mallinkrodt a > major chemical manufacturer says in their MSDS: > The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR -http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html) reports, "The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as an additive that is “generally recognized as safe †for use in food. It is used to absorb extra water and maintain moisture in certain medicines, cosmetics, or food products. It is a solvent for food colors and flavors. Propylene glycol is also used to create artificial smoke or fog used in fire-fighting training and in theatrical productions. What happens to ethylene glycol and propylene glycol when they enter the environment? Neither compound is likely to exist in large amounts in air. About half of the compounds that enter the air will break down in 24–50 hours. Both compounds break down within several days to a week in water and soil. How might I be exposed to ethylene glycol and propylene glycol? You can be exposed to propylene glycol by eating food products, using cosmetics, or taking medicine that contains it. Nuff said. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 05:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Tue Jun 24 04:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help in finding cutting oil Message-ID: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564C16@exchangewv1.atk.com> I live in West Virginia just south of Cumberland MD. I need to find a source of cutting oil for my 10" saw. When in Utah I was able to go to an oil distributor and get some oil. Do any of you know of locations to get oil? I will be traveling between Cumberland and Baltimore during the 4th weekend. I can make it to Morganstown in the west if oil is there or even toward Pittsburg. Finding a 5 gallon bucket would be worth the shipping cost. Also are there any rock shops within my traveling range. Any hints will be appreciated. Thanks, Dennis From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 05:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Powell) Date: Tue Jun 24 04:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Poconos Message-ID: <003401c33a45$fcdbbf00$558869d1@6663r01> Dear List, The family is heading out for a brief vacation, this time to the = Poconos. Do any of you good mineral collecting folks know of rock shops = in the Poconos? Thanks, in advance, for your insights. Darryl Powell Manchester, New York --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 08:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.) Date: Tue Jun 24 07:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help in finding cutting oil References: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564C16@exchangewv1.atk.com> Message-ID: <004401c33a5b$f6e45560$295ce5d8@dell> In the late 60's and early 70's I used to buy 5-gallon buckets of Almag from the Texaco distribution center near Baltimore. If I remember correctly it was south of Baltimore near Glen Burnie. You should be able to get it delivered to a local Texaco station, but there will likely be shipping costs added. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Davis, Dennis To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Help in finding cutting oil I live in West Virginia just south of Cumberland MD. I need to find a source of cutting oil for my 10" saw. When in Utah I was able to go to an oil distributor and get some oil. Do any of you know of locations to get oil? I will be traveling between Cumberland and Baltimore during the 4th weekend. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 08:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Tue Jun 24 07:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite Message-ID: <3EF865FB.4070202@dal.ca> Hi All, A question to you Ontario and/or fluorite experts. A friend of mine has an awesome Madoc fluorite specimen, butwould like to have more info. Its a huge L shaped crystal with two smallercrystals filling in the rest of the L. The large crystal is 10cmx9cm andhas interesting growth features on the faces. All of the crystals are cubeswith octahedral modifications. The whole thing is quite transparent / translucent,a very nice pale green color, and sits on just small base of barite matrix. A smallamount of the back of the large crystal is missing (I assume a point of attachment)but the luster is the same as all the other faces. Also a small cleave onthe bottom front edge. Neither of these are seen when the specimen is displayed. How does this rate against the best Madoc fluorites? Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 09:30:39 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Doug & Krista Damery) Date: Tue Jun 24 08:30:39 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah Message-ID: <3EF86E36.8030700@tc3net.com> Hello all! I have been reading this list for several months now and thought that this might be the place to get some help. My wife and I are planning a trip from Southern Michigan to Northern Arizona and Southern Utah next month and we wer wondering if anyone had suggestions for stops for collecting fossils, rocks and minerals. We are both teachers and are always on the lookout for specimens to use in our classrooms. We will be visiting Sunset Crater, Grand Canyon, Bryce, Zion and the Arches NP. Any suggestions/tips you could give would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!! Doug Damery Madison HS Science damery@tc3net.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 09:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 24 08:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite Message-ID: In a message dated 6/24/2003 10:53:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, dommelen@dal.ca writes: > How does this rate against the best > Madoc fluorites? > Sounds pretty good. Crystals from Madoc get up to 15 cm. John Betts http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 09:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 24 08:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help in finding cutting oil Message-ID: <06391DF3.2A7BEF98.00180FED@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/2003 6:33:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dennis_Davis@atk.com writes: > Finding a 5 gallon bucket would be worth the shipping > cost. Also are there any rock shops within my traveling > range. Any hints > will be appreciated. Go to either Kingsley North or Minnesota Lapidary Supply (MLS). Both carry cutting oil and I've done business with both and highly recommend them. In fact, Kingsley carries a clear pretty much odorless oil my wife made me switch to a couple years ago. She got tired of the smell from the old Almag, etc oils. I don't know Kingsley's website for sure but it's something like www.kingsleynorth.com and you can order online. Dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 09:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Tue Jun 24 08:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite References: <3EF865FB.4070202@dal.ca> Message-ID: <001701c33a69$82ef3e00$4c06efd1@oemcomputer> Madoc fluorites get very big, but more important than size I think are clarity, color, and lack of damage. I've seen plenty of big doorstops without any of the latter three qualities. Madoc material recently mined by Rod Tyson doesn't appear to come close to 10cm. I think it's safe to say that your friends piece is right up there. I recall a crystal in the ROM that was the size of a softball and water clear. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Van Dommelen" To: Sent: June 24, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite > Hi All, > > A question to you Ontario and/or fluorite experts. A friend of mine has > an awesome Madoc fluorite specimen, butwould like to have more info. Its > a huge L shaped crystal with two smallercrystals filling in the rest of > the L. The large crystal is 10cmx9cm andhas interesting growth features > on the faces. All of the crystals are cubeswith octahedral > modifications. The whole thing is quite transparent / translucent,a very > nice pale green color, and sits on just small base of barite matrix. A > smallamount of the back of the large crystal is missing (I assume a > point of attachment)but the luster is the same as all the other faces. > Also a small cleave onthe bottom front edge. Neither of these are seen > when the specimen is displayed. How does this rate against the best > Madoc fluorites? > > Later, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 09:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 24 08:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah Message-ID: <31.3a862687.2c29ce58@aol.com> Gem Trails of Utah probably has some great suggestions. I bet you can get it from Amazon.com. Also, there's one for New Mexico and Arizona. (-: John S. In a message dated 6/24/2003 9:33:59 AM Mountain Daylight Time, damery@tc3net.com writes: > Subj: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah > Date: 6/24/2003 9:33:59 AM Mountain Daylight Time > From: damery@tc3net.com > Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hello all! I have been reading this list for several months now and > thought that this might be the place to get some help. > > My wife and I are planning a trip from Southern Michigan to Northern > Arizona and Southern Utah next month and we wer wondering if anyone had > suggestions for stops for collecting fossils, rocks and minerals. We > are both teachers and are always on the lookout for specimens to use in > our classrooms. We will be visiting Sunset Crater, Grand Canyon, Bryce, > Zion and the Arches NP. Any suggestions/tips you could give would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance!! > > Doug Damery > Madison HS Science > damery@tc3net.com > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 10:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Tue Jun 24 09:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite References: <3EF865FB.4070202@dal.ca> Message-ID: <3EF88414.7B0968B0@utoronto.ca> All in all sounds like a good specimen. Any information other than Madoc on the label? (dealer name, a date, etc.) 10 cm makes the largest crystal quite respectable in size though not outstanding. Intensity of green is also a factor. The colour can be quite dark without loosing transparency/ translucency. I would put a clean pale apple green above yellow-green hues on an ascending scale of desirability. Zoning is a nice addition if present. Can you see the barite crystal matrix as discrete included blades through the crystal faces? This is another plus. Liz liz.fodi@utoronto.ca From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 11:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Erwin WTP) Date: Tue Jun 24 10:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah In-Reply-To: <3EF86E36.8030700@tc3net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030624130527.00a81230@mail.charter.net> If you are going to Northern New Mexico, check out the Capulin Volcano in Capulin, NM. When we made our "Great American West" trip, we decided to see all the AAA redstar attractions that we could. It was one of them, and it was one of the most beautiful sites we went to. A perfect cone volcano that rise off the plain. Get there at sunset, and it is absolutely gorgeous. A good deal of volcanology also. http://www.nps.gov/cavo/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 12:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 24 11:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite Message-ID: <77.13e1a1a3.2c29ecca@aol.com> It sounds to me like a very good one. I have a small miniature currently in my "Tate Collection Galleries" if you want to check it out for comparison, both in quality and value. Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 314-341-1811 http://www.danweinrich.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 12:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Jun 24 11:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c33a7e$eae089a0$61d1c850@maxdata> Hi all, Obviously there is some interest in fluorite from Madoc, Ontario, Canada. That place is also very well known (or has been known) for its suite of rare lead sulphosalts (of which for about 8 or 9 Madoc is even the type - and for some the only - locality). I am very interested in this locality because of its mineralogical analogy with the - also famous - Lengenbach quarry, Binntal, Wallis, Switzerland (lengenbachite, baumhauerite, sartorite, hatchite, wallisite etc...). If anyone could provide me with Madoc sulphosalt specimens I would be very glad (I'm after them since about 25 years !) if I could be contacted for an exchange proposal. Some examples : dadsonite, geocronite, guettardite, launayite, madocite, playfairite, robinsonite, sterryite, twinnite, veenite. I'm prepared to exchange e.g. very rare Lengenbach sulphosalts for Madoc sulphosalts. BTW in a 1982 article on the locality in "The Mineralogical Record", baumhauerite is mentioned with Madoc as type and only locality. That is very wrong, because the mineral has been found first in the Lengenbach quarry (already in 1902 !), and only in the sixties in Madoc. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jhbnyc@aol.com *Sent: dinsdag 24 juni 2003 17:32 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite * * *In a message dated 6/24/2003 10:53:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, *dommelen@dal.ca writes: * * *> How does this rate against the best *> Madoc fluorites? *> * *Sounds pretty good. Crystals from Madoc get up to 15 cm. * *John Betts *http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com * * *--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- *multipart/alternative * text/plain (text body -- kept) * text/html *--- *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 16:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jun 24 15:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah References: <3EF86E36.8030700@tc3net.com> Message-ID: <000d01c33a9c$c820ae40$195204d0@jim> In southern Utah, there's a good place to collect Magnetite in sharp crystals, just laying on the ground. It's a few miles west of Cedar City. I can give you a contact in Cedar City, or directions off-list. If yu are taking a southern route (IL, MO, OK, NM) there's the Great Salt Plains near Jet, OK for Gypsum crystals, and a lot of collecting around Bingham, NM. I particularly recommend the Desert Rose Mine. There's also information on my website under Field Trips. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Krista Damery" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah > Hello all! I have been reading this list for several months now and > thought that this might be the place to get some help. > > My wife and I are planning a trip from Southern Michigan to Northern > Arizona and Southern Utah next month and we wer wondering if anyone had > suggestions for stops for collecting fossils, rocks and minerals. We > are both teachers and are always on the lookout for specimens to use in > our classrooms. We will be visiting Sunset Crater, Grand Canyon, Bryce, > Zion and the Arches NP. Any suggestions/tips you could give would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance!! > > Doug Damery > Madison HS Science > damery@tc3net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 16:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jun 24 15:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Poconos References: <003401c33a45$fcdbbf00$558869d1@6663r01> Message-ID: <001101c33a9d$5c75b400$195204d0@jim> Just south of the Poconos there is (or was) a rock shop in Hellertown, PA (just south of Bethlehem) connected with Lost River Caverns. The caverns aren't spectacular, like Carlsbad or Mammoth, but worth seeing. You're also not far from Franklin, NJ. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell" To: "Rockhounds List" Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:44 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Poconos > Dear List, > The family is heading out for a brief vacation, this time to the Poconos. Do any of you good mineral collecting folks know of rock shops in the Poconos? Thanks, in advance, for your insights. > > Darryl Powell > Manchester, New York > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 17:31:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:31:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah In-Reply-To: <31.3a862687.2c29ce58@aol.com> Message-ID: i have two, want one? $5!!! KM On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:55 AM, JScully216@aol.com wrote: > Gem Trails of Utah probably has some great suggestions. I bet you can > get it > from Amazon.com. Also, there's one for New Mexico and Arizona. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 17:32:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:32:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? References: <134.21af823b.2c290b0d@aol.com> Message-ID: <007301c33aa8$721b14c0$c2b3950c@mel> You're missing the point - Refer to the MSDS ethylene glycol is VERY dangerous to breath, Saws form mists which you would breath. I underline the propylene warning - it is toxic even nto touch! Mel Albright Former Safety Chair AFMS From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 17:32:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:32:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madoc fluorite In-Reply-To: <000901c33a7e$eae089a0$61d1c850@maxdata> Message-ID: <20030624233110.13874.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rik, I just wanted to add a relative rarity factor for you. I have seen a number of specimens from Lengenbach quarry over the years and don't remember seeing any from Madoc (doesn't mean I might have forgotten or overlooked a few). Since I live in the USA which is closer to Canada than Switzerland I would rate the Madoc material a much tougher find. Good luck with your search. Regards, Stan PS. Hope to see some of you in Bloomington, Indiana this weekend. --- Rik Dillen wrote: > Hi all, > > Obviously there is some interest in fluorite from > Madoc, Ontario, Canada. That place is also very > well known (or has been known) > for its suite of rare lead sulphosalts (of which for > about 8 or 9 Madoc is even the type - and for some > the only - locality). > I am very interested in this locality because of its > mineralogical analogy with the - also famous - > Lengenbach quarry, Binntal, > Wallis, Switzerland (lengenbachite, baumhauerite, > sartorite, hatchite, wallisite etc...). > If anyone could provide me with Madoc sulphosalt > specimens I would be very glad (I'm after them since > about 25 years !) if I could > be contacted for an exchange proposal. > Some examples : dadsonite, geocronite, guettardite, > launayite, madocite, playfairite, robinsonite, > sterryite, twinnite, veenite. I'm > prepared to exchange e.g. very rare Lengenbach > sulphosalts for Madoc sulphosalts. > BTW in a 1982 article on the locality in "The > Mineralogical Record", baumhauerite is mentioned > with Madoc as type and only > locality. That is very wrong, because the mineral > has been found first in the Lengenbach quarry > (already in 1902 !), and only in the > sixties in Madoc. > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 17:32:09 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:32:09 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: RV Anti-freeze References: <001a01c3378c$820c5020$ecb3950c@mel> <000a01c337fa$b2048c20$1b5204d0@jim> Message-ID: <007401c33aa8$72ec2060$c2b3950c@mel> For those who want to see a MSDS use the search engine below. www.msdssearch.com There were over 1000 for ethylene glycol. When there are more than 1, read several. As was mentioned, each manufacturer approaches MSDS based upon the product line they sell. The most desirable for reliability is the pure material (note the USP in the one I sent) This one talks about the material independent of the product made from it. Mel Albright From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 17:37:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:37:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help in finding cutting oil References: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564C16@exchangewv1.atk.com> Message-ID: <3EF8E15C.3060106@ptd.net> My suggestion would be to contact your nearest heating oil supplier ann ask them where the nearest petroleum product distribution yard is in your area. Two products come to mind almag made I believe by texaco and my personal all time favorite is sunpar lw 104 made by sunoco of course. The sunpar has such a low toxicity that it is used by industrial bakeries to coat the bread hooks but it has excellent heat and lubricating qualities. If these producers are not in your area ask any distributor to cross reference either of these products and they should have something comparable. Expect to pay about 40-45 dollars for a five gallon bucket which should last years and many many diamond blades worth. Davis, Dennis wrote: >I live in West Virginia just south of Cumberland MD. I need to find a >source of cutting oil for my 10" saw. When in Utah I was able to go to an >oil distributor and get some oil. Do any of you know of locations to get >oil? I will be traveling between Cumberland and Baltimore during the 4th >weekend. I can make it to Morganstown in the west if oil is there or even >toward Pittsburg. Finding a 5 gallon bucket would be worth the shipping >cost. Also are there any rock shops within my traveling range. Any hints >will be appreciated. >Thanks, Dennis > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 18:02:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Tue Jun 24 17:02:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah In-Reply-To: <3EF86E36.8030700@tc3net.com> Message-ID: <20030625000118.47142.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> I you are atalking about Sedona or Flagstaff. I lived there for three years as a geology student/ rockhound. You won't find to much up there. There are some gravel beds out beyond the wapatki Nat. Monument that I found some pretty good pet. wood. However. If you go further south you can find a good bit. I followed most locations in the Gem trails of AZ and found good stuff at most locations. There is some chalcedny roses you can find about 9 miles SE of Sedona. However check out Jerome, AZ for a look at a great copper mine. Then if you want to do some interesting hicking try this out. Go up the raod from Jerome that goes over the mountains. As you go up the road you will find a pull out that you can look at the red rocks of Sedona back down the canyon (pretty site) across the gorge is an old mine dump. Climb under the fnese and go down into the canyon (Not easy) Check out ANY "Rusty" rock in the canyon. This is Marcasite ore in Chert form the mine. I have made some beautiful Slabs that shows the gold color of the marcasite and the chert is translucent. Also mid to southern AZ there is a ton of stuff. Even out toward kingman that is alot. The problem with Flagstaff is it is all a Volcanic filed nuttin really to find execpt basalt and pumice. With metal detectors and little luck you can find Meterites over by metereor crate just don't go in the park and stay on BLM land. --- Doug & Krista Damery wrote: > Hello all! I have been reading this list for > several months now and > thought that this might be the place to get some > help. > > My wife and I are planning a trip from Southern > Michigan to Northern > Arizona and Southern Utah next month and we wer > wondering if anyone had > suggestions for stops for collecting fossils, rocks > and minerals. We > are both teachers and are always on the lookout for > specimens to use in > our classrooms. We will be visiting Sunset Crater, > Grand Canyon, Bryce, > Zion and the Arches NP. Any suggestions/tips you > could give would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance!! > > Doug Damery > Madison HS Science > damery@tc3net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 18:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Tue Jun 24 17:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Poconos In-Reply-To: <003401c33a45$fcdbbf00$558869d1@6663r01> Message-ID: <20030625000635.49084.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> I went there a few years ago and found Minerla collecting in new York. A self published book. Didn't find much in the area but I did visit Franklin mine in NJ. Got a secret location I will tell the list Where I got a good bit of Franlite in Matirx and florisent Calcite. go to the mueseum and down into the workde out pit. At the bottom of th hill look back towards the town and you will see an overgrown road. half way down this road climb the hill you just came down . The museum is sitting on this hill. Don't dig up the hill but about half way down this road and up about thrity feet is an old air vent adit that is filled with rubble. the rubble is the good stuff. --- Powell wrote: > Dear List, > The family is heading out for a brief vacation, > this time to the Poconos. Do any of you good > mineral collecting folks know of rock shops in the > Poconos? Thanks, in advance, for your insights. > > Darryl Powell > Manchester, New York > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 18:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Erwin WTP) Date: Tue Jun 24 17:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Suggestions for NM, Ariz and Utah In-Reply-To: <20030625000118.47142.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3EF86E36.8030700@tc3net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030624202826.00a9dfc0@mail.charter.net> If you happen to sleep in Flagstaff, MAKE SURE TO GO TO THE OBSERVATORY. The original telescope that found Pluto is there and every night they let you look through a first class telescope, sometimes the Clark Telescope, itself . Do not miss this if you are in Flagstaff! It is truly an incredible work of art and instrument of science. http://www.lowell.edu/Public/Info/clark.html Thanks again to AAA Guide Books Tommy Armstrong From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Jun 24 23:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Jun 24 22:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help in finding cutting oil Message-ID: <31.3a8dd7e0.2c2a8b4c@aol.com> Dennis, When I was looking a couple years ago for a source in my area for good cutting oil at a reasonable price, I called petroleum distributors and commercial bakery suppliers. I was looking to get the odorless, tasteless, non-toxic stuff like what Kingsley North sells under the name of Lubri-Kool. In their old 2001 catalog, they described it as a highly refined mineral oil and they used to sell it for $15.75 a gallon. In my searching, I got the data specification sheets for Almag and Pella (the smelly commonly recommended cutting oils). I was looking for "food grade mineral oil" and the supplier I found called it "Technical White Oil." I showed him the specs for the Almag and Pella, and he matched it up for me because mineral oil comes in many consistencies from thick to thin. Two years ago, it cost me $5.00 a gallon and he charged me a deposit of $5.00 for each of the reusable 5 gallon containers. I bought it from Rosemead Oil Products in Santa Fe Springs, CA near LA. I know they aren't close to you, but they may be able to help you with who or where to go to in your area. The last numbers I had for them were 800-794-8400 or 562-941-3261. Hope this helps. Tom San Diego,CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 25 10:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Jun 25 09:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: <55B1A208.40D30A89.02180873@aol.com> Propylene glycol is not nearly as toxic by ingestion as ethylene glycol. The average lethal dose for a 150 lb adult of propylene glyclol is over a liter whereas for ethylene glycol (EG) it is a little less than 1/10 of a liter. Of course this is based on animal data because accurate human data are not available for the obvious reason that it's difficult to get voulunteers for the tests.. :-) The oral toxicity does not tell the whole story and breathing any mist, other than water, is a really bad idea, particularly with a water soluble toxin like Ethylene Glyclol. A saw is a mist generating machine so mist will be present, whether you are aware of it or not. But Mel, it is't all bad. Ethanol interferes with the metabloization of EG into toxic metabolites, allowing the kidneys to excreet the EG before it does damage. The medical treatment includes the adminstration of a mixture of grain spirits, water and (to make it more palatable) orange juice. I suspect a six pack could be substituted. Gene Hartstein In a message dated 6/24/2003 6:19:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Mel Albright" writes: >You're missing the point - Refer to  the MSDS > >ethylene glycol is VERY dangerous to breath, Saws form mists which you would >breath. > >I underline the propylene warning - it is toxic even nto touch! > >Mel Albright >Former Safety Chair >AFMS > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 25 15:19:34 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (you won't know) Date: Wed Jun 25 14:19:34 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berbes, Spain today Message-ID: <20030625211033.26930.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> Hi fellow rockhounders, I was at Berbes, Spain today collecting the famous fluorite etc. I uploaded some pics to http://www.strahlen.org/ Cheers! Frank __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Jun 25 15:35:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Wed Jun 25 14:35:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? References: <20030623010002.5144.77414.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3EFA153C.BD0EBFD@earthlink.net> Huh? It makes no sense to say that an MSDS is not a safety document. The first "S" stands for "safety". It may be a document required by the government that is written to cover the manufacturer's hind end, but it's certainly a safety document also. Ask any firefighter. Mike Flannigan > From: "Jim Daly" > To: > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:11:59 -0500 > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > You also have to remember that an MSDS is neither a health nor a safety > document. It is a document required by the government, and therefore is > written to cover the manufacturer's hind end. Every conceivable hazard, not > matter how unlikely, is listed so they can't be sued for failure to warn. > Jim From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 05:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Jun 26 04:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] MSH Pseudomorphs References: <77.13e1a1a3.2c29ecca@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EFADAC9.8000209@dal.ca> Hi All, First, thanks to everyone who responded to my question on the Madoc fluorite. I had an idea the other day. I've seen lots of collections of pictures of fantastic minerals from Mont St. Hilaire, but only scattered pics on pseudomorphs. There's huge variety of pseudos (I have a couple of the common ones myself) and some are really unique. I was thinking of putting together a little website with a collection of just pics of such pseudos. Perhaps Marc Favre's site Alkali-Nuts would be a better place for it (I have not contacted him with the idea yet). Either way, would anyone on this list be willing to submit their own pics for such a project? Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 19:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Liz) Date: Thu Jun 26 18:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs Message-ID: <3EFB9CA4.5010104@qeeg.com> Hi, I recently got a specimen from the Copper Rose Mine, Grant Co., New Mexico. It's a copper pseudomorph after azurite. Can someone explain exactly what conditions - the chemistry - would cause azurite to turn into solid copper? It's a fun little 5 cm specimen, very sharp, large crystals, looks just like azurite, but dang - it's copper. Best regards, John K. Nash Edina, MN Beautifulminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 20:20:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 26 19:20:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Berbes, Spain Message-ID: <103.31584058.2c2d03be@aol.com> In a message dated 6/25/2003 8:01:35 PM Central Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: > I was at Berbes, Spain today collecting the famous > fluorite etc. > > I uploaded some pics to http://www.strahlen.org/ > > Frank, How lucky you are! What beautiful pix! Susy --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 20:42:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 26 19:42:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs Message-ID: <6d.1447a2e3.2c2d08e4@aol.com> In a message dated 6/26/03 6:26:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bmainc@qeeg.com writes: > looks just like azurite, but dang - it's copper. > In the book, TURQUOISE, Gem of the Centuries, there is a photo of a pseudomorph of turquoise after apatite. It came from the Pilot Mountain Mine in Nevada. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 21:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 26 20:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs Message-ID: <2b.4300de18.2c2d1130@aol.com> Thursday 6/26/03 Azurite is hydrous copper carbonate. Any copper salt treated with a reducing agent will precipitate copper metal. My guess is that something in the environment (in solution) acted as a reducing agent slowly enough to retain the crystal structure while making the chemical change. Some thirty or forty years ago over in England I did some experiments on crystal growth in gels. I made a gel of silica by reacting sodium silicate solution with acetic acid and the allowed first copper sulphate solution to diffuse into the gel, followed by a solution of a reducing agent. What I got was the development of what looked like native copper crystals in the clear silica gel. Trouble was when I tried to dry the gel out to get a sample of native copper in quartz the damn gel dried out and collapsed into a dirty looking mess. I told myself that one day I'd find the time,space and money to experiment further - now at 65 I have the time, but not the space or the money (and time is running out too!). Like the Harry Chapin song says "the time to achieve your dreams is when you are young". Life sucks. Jim Groves. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 21:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jun 26 20:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs References: <3EFB9CA4.5010104@qeeg.com> Message-ID: <3EFBB904.2194@Tomaszewski.net> John & Liz wrote: > > Hi, > > I recently got a specimen from the Copper Rose Mine, Grant Co., New > Mexico. It's a copper pseudomorph after azurite. Can someone explain > exactly what conditions - the chemistry - would cause azurite to turn > into solid copper? It's a fun little 5 cm specimen, very sharp, large > crystals, looks just like azurite, but dang - it's copper. John, Pseudomorphs can be difficult to explain, but there are three classic forms; paramorphs, infiltration psuedomorphs, and encrustation pseudomorphs. In paramorphs a mineral becomes unstalbe and switches to another with the same formula but a different crystal structure, retaining the original crystal shape. Aragonite to Calcite is the classic example. In infiltraton pseudomorphs one atom of a mineral is replaced by a different element making a new mineral. This can occur multiple times, causing pyrite to goethite pseudomorphs as an example. In encrustation pseudomorphs a second mineral coats the original mineral crystal, and then the original mineral is dissolved, leaving a hollow cast form. If the original mineral is not dissolved it may appear as a pseudomorph because of the coating. An unusual case is where the hollow is filled by the original coating. There is a another sub-class of encrustation where the original crystals are imbedded into a surrounding matrix (a form of encrustation), dissolved, the hollow cast is filled by some other mineral, and then the matrix may be (finally) dissolved. I suspect your specimen is from the latter classic form. Have you broken a crystal to see if it is just coated, or solid copper? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Jun 26 22:55:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Jun 26 21:55:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs Message-ID: <1e2.c195f0d.2c2d27ef@aol.com> In a message dated 6/26/03 8:18:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Jg81638@aol.com writes: > Like the Harry Chapin song says "the time to achieve your dreams is when > you > are young". Life sucks. Jim, Philosophically I usually agree with Harry Chapin. However, when I was young I was ruled by hormones, probably testosterone, and spent my dreams chasing what young men chase. Now I'm older, hunting rocks is enough excitement for me -- but every so often one of those pretty college girls walks past and I want to 'achieve' those young dreams again. I usually put some rusty rocks in oxylic acid and by the time they are clean - a week or two -- I've forgot what I was dreaming about. Grant in Chico (where the college is) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 27 06:44:13 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 27 05:44:13 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs In-Reply-To: <3EFBB904.2194@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Couldn't you just determine the density of the specimen, rather than breaking it? Copper would be much denser than Azurite. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > I suspect your specimen is from the latter classic form. Have you broken > a crystal to see if it is just coated, or solid copper? > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 27 07:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 27 06:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs References: Message-ID: <000d01c33cb1$264463c0$9aaa77d5@pandora.be> Or just measure the resistance to electric current with a multi-meter. Should be very low for copper and very high for azurite. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs > Couldn't you just determine the density of the specimen, rather than > breaking it? Copper would be much denser than Azurite. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > I suspect your specimen is from the latter classic form. Have you broken > > a crystal to see if it is just coated, or solid copper? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 27 07:51:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Fri Jun 27 06:51:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs References: Message-ID: <001801c33cb3$b436ab00$6304efd1@oemcomputer> They are solid Cu. An excellent article on the locality, and a description of how they alter to Cu, appears in Mineralogical Record Volume 25, #3. A good read, very nice photos. (If anybody out there with a serious interest in minerals hasn't subscribed to this magazine yet, do it now! http://www.minrec.org) Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: June 27, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs > Couldn't you just determine the density of the specimen, rather than > breaking it? Copper would be much denser than Azurite. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > I suspect your specimen is from the latter classic form. Have you broken > > a crystal to see if it is just coated, or solid copper? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 27 08:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 27 07:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs In-Reply-To: <000d01c33cb1$264463c0$9aaa77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: If the surface of the specimen was coated with copper then it would just conduct the current around the surface no matter what th interior was made of. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > Or just measure the resistance to electric current with a multi-meter. > Should be very low for copper and very high for azurite. > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:43 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Copper pseudomorphs > > > > Couldn't you just determine the density of the specimen, rather than > > breaking it? Copper would be much denser than Azurite. > > > > Bryan > > > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > > > I suspect your specimen is from the latter classic form. Have > you broken > > > a crystal to see if it is just coated, or solid copper? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 27 14:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Jun 27 13:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antifreeze and rock saws? Message-ID: <155.203261b4.2c2e00ed@aol.com> Thank you all for the truthful facts surrounding any all cutting lubricants consisting of oils...... antifreezes ...... various synthetics and water soluble additives, etc.... All the info confirms what we all should be cutting with....PLAIN WATER !!! RnL --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Jun 27 22:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John & Liz) Date: Fri Jun 27 21:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: copper ps. after azurite References: <20030628010002.24453.4129.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3EFD1918.7090300@qeeg.com> Thank you all for your responses! Particularly thank you , Tim, for your reference on the locale. I subscribe to MR, but only for the last couple years. I was just about to measure the specific gravity (good idea, Bryan), but sounds like the MR article has it covered: "They are solid Cu. An excellent article on the locality, and a description of how they alter to Cu, appears in Mineralogical Record Volume 25, #3. A good read, very nice photos." Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com Thanks again all, John Nash BeautifulMinerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Jun 28 01:58:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Jun 28 00:58:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] info about Isola Elba Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030628095446.00e6cd88@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, within few days I'll be leaving for a 6 days field trip on Isola Elba, Italy to look for tourmalines, elbaites and other pegmatite minerals. I hope to be as lucky as I was last summer !! a lot of nicely terminated crystals fall in my backsack !! those you would like to have infos on what I find or to have preview of what I have in hand while going for rocks can email me starting July 7th. I will have my digital camera, my portable PC and a powerful GPRS system to be linked with everyone on the net. I should be able to send photos of the new material 1-2 days after I found it !! I'll try this new experience so that to let you have also a report of my searches. In case you want to know more about pegmatite minerals from isola Elba, I have produced a quite nice CD with photos and itineraries for collecting. Unfortunately (probably!) for you, it is in italian but our language is quite understandable if accompanied by pictures and photos ! if interested you can email me. Finally, the latest elbaites and tormalines from our winter-tour on Elba have been added on our web site. You can see them on our site at: http:\\www.italianminerals.com and then going to the specific link. regards to everybody, Alessandro ItalianMinerals.com ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 12:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Jun 29 11:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] i have a Facetting machine 4sale Message-ID: <16f.207281c6.2c28c1c0@aol.com> Hi there.. i wanted 2 ask you if you know much about a Sapphire Arrow (1341) Facetting machine. I have many parts to go with it as well as many discs...if your interested in buying it, or can give me any insight as to what I could do with it please call me at 360-273-6220 or email at willbilly007@aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 12:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Jun 29 11:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Equipment for Sale Message-ID: <6.0.0.9.2.20030629114043.01bef3e0@mail.spiritone.com> FACETER, CABBER, AUTO HOLE DRILLER, TRIM SAW "Pro Carva - Gem Drill" vintage 1972, hardly used. I don't know much about this but I do have a copy of the one-page manual. I do know it accepts core drills that use carborundum grit as well as diamond drills. It has a cam to operate in automatic mode or it can operate without the cam. There is another pulley for slower applications but it was not with the unit when I bought it. The manual says the head can be tilted and used as a carving tool but I don't know anything about how to do that. The collet for using a carving attachment seems to be included. Includes Allen wrenches and chuck key. 6" Highland Park trim saw with 1/4 HP motor & switch; blade not included. I have it set up to run a high-speed opal trim blade; if you want to use a regular blade just double the size of the pulley on the motor. CLICK THE SITE LINK FOR PRICING AND PICS! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 14:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Sun Jun 29 13:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Buried Alive; Challis, Idaho Message-ID: <015001c33e7a$05bfe460$038dbbcd@rockman> Buried Alive; Challis, Idaho 6/29/2003 =20 =20 Hi Everyone, Since my return from Challis, I've been busy playing catch-up. During = the whirlwind duration of mining, we produced 40 boxes of wrapped = specimens. Unwrapped, these became a huge sprawl of material and as the = title suggests, we're absolutely buried here. Currently, all of the = specimens have gone through an initial processing phase where each piece = has been separated and placed with others of like size and quality. This = separation yielded several accumulations, smalls, mediums, largish to = large and first round cleaners. Hours were expended in this activity, = but when everything was completely set out and all those crystals sat = blazing hot pink in our rare NW sun, it was good, it was very, very = good! This extreme indulgence lasted only a couple of days as the = weather report bespoke of impending rains. So, with pictures taken and = the moment preserved, my next step was to begin boxing specimens for = their short term storage prior to cleaning.=20 With this accomplished, I began preparation for a large scale cleaning = operation and purchased supplies over a several day period. Large 18 = gallon plastic containers with lids and water have been my two hot = commodities. Here at the house, our tap water has an undesired = overabundance of mineral contaminants and to expedite cleaning, I use = purified bottled water. I've established four separate stations to = effectively clean these specimens, the first of these is a pre-soak = station. This area is where the specimens will be submerged in water = after their initial rinsing for a period of at least 24 hours prior to = their being placed into the acid tanks. This pre-soaking allows harmless = water to be drawn into the specimen rather then the acid bearing water = which would have penetrated if I'd have gone straight to cleaning. This = initial step will be beneficial when it comes time to neutralize the = specimens after their cleaning. With only water absorbed into the = interior of the specimen creating a kind of barrier, the acid bearing = water is kept at bay and becomes a friend cleaning the undesired = carbonates from the surface of the specimen rather then penetrating into = the matrix to potentially leach outward unattractively over time. This = extra step has saved me hundreds of hours in cleaning. The second step = is the actual acid cleaning itself. The specimens coming from the = pre-soak area are rinsed and are then submerged into new water. Next, I = add Muriatic Acid to the water bringing up its level of concentration = until I begin to see an effervescence arising from the calcite I'm = attempting to remove. It's very important not to add too much acid = (believe me as I speak from experience) as it will attack the = heulandite. The specimens stay submerged in this tank until the calcite = has been effectively removed. When this happens, and it happens over a = different period of time for each specimen, the piece is removed from = the acid tank and is again thoroughly rinsed. The third step is to then = neutralize the residual acid from each specimen. After their rinsing, = each specimen is placed into new water filled containers carrying added = baking soda for a period approximately two to three times longer then = that which resulted in its individual cleaning. This tank and the = specimens within it are rinsed each day and are then re-submerged into a = bath of new baking soda until the neutralizing process has been = completed. After this, the fourth and last step requires yet another = rinsing of the now neutralized specimens to remove any adhering baking = soda followed by one last days submergence into a purified water bath. = With these duties consummated, the chemical preparation of the specimens = has been completed. So as not to clog down this multi-step/day process, = I hope my cleaning is aided by a strong, bright and blazing sun (the = acid becomes more reactionary when heated). This process will take me = weeks to complete and Denver is right around the corner and coming up = quick! But, back to mining, my adventure began the last week of May and = continued into the first week of June. With everything loaded and my = good-byes made, I headed out the door in the early AM and caught the = 6:30 Ferry over to the Seattle area and was soon eastbound on I-90. I = traveled on I-90 as far east as Missoula, Montana, and then exited and = stopped at my favorite All-You-Can-Eat-Steak-House for some grub before = hitting the road again. From here I headed south, I made it as far as = Darby, Montana before finally calling it quits. I found a place to sleep = just off the road as you come into Darby and slept there like a baby. In = the early AM I woke and decided to explore a bit before hitting the road = again. I'd just begun this when I spooked two large 4 point bucks from = behind the area where I'd slept. I thought this a terrific way to start = the day and was fairly psyched when I looked over to the highway and = stopped mesmerized as my friend Fred drove by in his camper. Fred's a = friend of mine who has helped me during several of my best mineral = collecting adventures and I was thankful he'd be able to participate in = this newest adventure too. Fred lives in the upper panhandle area of = Idaho and at 6:00 in the morning in the middle of nowhere Montana, I = thought it just too bizarre to watch him driving by. Set back in motion, = I curtailed my exploration and double timed it back to the truck where I = began a hasty loading of my bed roll. Without too much delay, I was on = the road and hot on Fred's heels. It took me a hauling butt 16 miles to = catch him and when I did, he was just as surprised to see me as I'd been = to see him. At the top of the Pass separating Montana from Idaho, we = pulled over to the rest area and with arms flung wide hugged and said = hello. We yakked for half an hour before heading out in caravan towards = Challis. In Challis we got supplies and then headed for the digs. Once there, we made camp and then afterwards, took a ride up to the cut = to check things out. The Excavator was there and it appeared that = everything was ready for the morning's adventure. As we walked about, I = mentioned to Fred that come this time tomorrow evening, we'd be seeing = the world from a completely different perspective, hopefully one jaded = by crystal excess! Soon thereafter with our explorations complete, we = headed back down to camp for a spot of dinner. I'd brought my tent and = four wheel drive pick-up and Fred had brought his big rig and camper. = We'd use the camper as basecamp supreme, while I'd do all the = transporting back and forth in my rig each day. After dinner we talked a = bit more before finally calling it quits and heading off to bed. In the morning, we both woke fairly early after a restless night's sleep = and were soon met by the arriving Excavator operator. With greetings and = introductions made, we all made the drive and were soon standing on the = claim, my adventure about to begin. This, the beginning, was an intense = time mentally for me as it had taken quite a bit of effort to get here = in the first place, but now, here we were and everything was real and = live. What would the Excavator expose, more goodies, barren ground? The = old adage kept running through my mind of how a mine was a hole in the = ground you threw money into. During this period, truly, I was on pins = and needles. But then, as if to break my reverie, a startling, snarling = growl belched out black, stinking diesel smoke and the Excavator came = alive and began crawling its way into the cut where we'd begin. After = several minutes maneuvering, the Excavator was in position and we were = ready to begin. My first priority was to excavate completely the 20 by = 25 foot area Lanny and I had dug last year by hand. I wanted to punch = down below our workings to find the base of the flow. This ended up by = being just under where we'd finished off digging last year. So, with the = boundaries of the flow and our dig established, it was now a matter of = advancing the working face into the cut and finding treasure, and = thankfully, that's exactly what we did! On 5/30/2003, Lanny who had headed back home on the 28th, after arriving = on the 26th, offered the link below to members of the drizzle.com, = Rockhounds List, wonderfully illustrating in text and photos our Challis = adventure. It is my hope that you'll consider visiting this link prior = to continuing this narrative. http://www.mineralnews.com/challisimages/Challis2003.html Lanny really did a great job creating this page and I'm very thankful = for his efforts. His tale really shares the experiences that we all had = and is a pure joy.=20 On the 28th, after Lanny had pulled out, Fred and I kept at it for a few = more hours before calling it quits to make a town run for showers, = dinner and supplies. While there, we witnessed a real pounder of a = storm. Thunder, hail and rain in side-wise, wind whipped sheets. From = the warm, dry confines of our favorite steak house, it was quite a = sight. After dinner we hit the store and then headed back to the digs. = The storm had thrashed my camp even worse then last time as mentioned by = Lanny. I'd tied down the rain fly with ropes encircling hay bales and = had thought things relatively secure. Huh-uh, no way. The wind had been = so fierce that it actually dragged one of the bales across and over the = tent, snapping a pole and collapsing half the tent. Rain had puddled and = soaked through the exposed fabric and had spot-wetted my bedding in = several places. With a muffled curse, I began reconstructing camp. This = took some time as I'm sure you can imagine, but when I'd finished, = everything was good to go again (though some things were a bit worse for = the wear!). By this time, the day was basically behind us and yet the = evening was still ripe, so we decided to head back up to the pit. Not = wanting to dirty ourselves with any more digging, we had another plan = and brought up a couple beverages and set up the lawn chairs near the = pit's edge, relaxed and just hung out watching the shadows creep across = the expanse. The area surrounding the claim is really a jewel in its own = right and the wild panorama all about us is absolutely enchanting.=20 Happy and sassy with crystals spread all about glittering in the fading = light, I reflected on my thoughts of only days before and quietly = chuckled. There had been barren ground true, even some fairly extensive = and disheartening stretches of it, but still there had been treasure = won. The sweat, the agonizing, both mentally and physically, was paying = off. It'd taken a big commitment to step up and make this happen, my own = specimen mining operation, but it looked like things were working out. = We'd found some decent specimens, some even truly worthy of the Museum = Quality moniker. And, we'd had a good and safe time doing so. Tomorrow = the Excavator would again be fired up and we'd take another stab at the = unknown, but for now, it was enough just to watch the shadows crawl and = reflect on all the good times we'd shared. On Friday the 30th, the same day Lanny posted his adventure, we had our = last day of mechanized mining. We dug through foot after foot of barren = ground without coming up with much of anything and the weight of = mounting expenses began to bear. With the costs escalating and the = specimen piles remaining relatively unchanged I fretted and fretted = until finally, almost in agony, I called it quits and shut the Excavator = down. What a day, shaking my head from side to side dejectedly, what a = day. Our operator had been excellent and I felt very fortunate to have = had such a professional working with us, I just wish his bucket had = found the buried pot o' gold. And so, with a hand shake and a wave = good-bye, he was on his way out, crawling his equipment back down to the = valley where it'd later be loaded and hauled away. With the Excavator disappearing, our focus began to shift to the work = that lay before us. We had piles and piles of unworked geodes stretching = fantastically all about us and we had work to do. We spent the next = several days trimming, wrapping and packing until finally, everything = was processed and had been hauled up and loaded into the truck. As a = last attack of the hill, we worked the tailings pile with sledges one = final time searching for anything that may have been missed. We came up = with a few little goodies and then headed up to the truck that one last = time.=20 =20 The final loading and ride home afterwards were relatively uneventful = other then to say that my little truck has never, ever been so loaded = down! Talking about dragging bumper! I've been processing specimens for = almost two weeks now and have a steadily growing pile of beautiful = cleaned heulandites. There's still lots to do before everything's = finished, but I'm on my way. Everyday is a day of progress. Soon, I'll = begin shipping specimens to those of you who have been so kind as to = inquire. For everyone else, I've some fantastic specimens available and = I welcome the contact should you have an interest.=20 Have a great day everyone and thanks for coming along and sharing in = this years 2003 Challis adventure. All the very best. Take care, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 15:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 29 14:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption Message-ID: <3EFF5E91.E79070CB@att.net> Hi, I have recently become intrigued with the concept of "silica" as it applies to the apparently amorphous and gelatinous substance formed when certain minerals are treated with acid. I remember that someone once told me a good field test to distinguish crustal hemimorphite from smithsonite was to immerse a bit of it in hydrochloric acid. One of the byproducts of reaction with hemimorphite would be the gelatinous silica. I noted this but never tried it. Recently, I was analyzing some very fine weathering material which contained micro hemimorphite all through it. I cleaned the material to be analyzed the best I could. I immersed some of it in cold 20% HCl to get an idea of what I had and to dissolve any carbonates. I left the materials in the acid and went to sleep. The next day I was shocked when, upon returning to the vial, I saw bubbles suspended in the liquid, which upon further inspection was obviously a gel. I then remembered hearing about this previously, and concluded this must be the silica gel about which I'd heard. After playing with this for a while and seeing how long it would remain this way (many days), I decanted the material to an open dish. As the liquid evaporated, the gel became thicker. I added more clean water. Weeks later, the gel is still there, and I am wondering what I might do with it. Now I want to know more about it. What is it, exactly? An amorphous oxide of silicon? What is its formula? What is its proper name? If I let it dry out, then wet it again, will it become gelatinous again? Does this only occur when the silica is structural and the mineral is dissolved with HCl, or under many other circumstances? Can this silica adsorb to a mineral without becoming part of the permanent structure, something like zeolitic water? What about volume--there seemed to be far more gel in the vial than the amount of solid material allowed for; does it expand greatly when it forms? Any answers to any of the questions would be appreciated, as would a reference I could read that explains these things. Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 18:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 29 17:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption References: <3EFF5E91.E79070CB@att.net> Message-ID: <3EFF87E1.6C18@Tomaszewski.net> Don, Do a search on Google for "making aerogels", because that is what you did. Kreigh Don H wrote: > > Hi, > > I have recently become intrigued with the concept of "silica" as it > applies to the apparently amorphous and gelatinous substance formed when > certain minerals are treated with acid. I remember that someone once > told me a good field test to distinguish crustal hemimorphite from > smithsonite was to immerse a bit of it in hydrochloric acid. One of the > byproducts of reaction with hemimorphite would be the gelatinous > silica. I noted this but never tried it. Recently, I was analyzing > some very fine weathering material which contained micro hemimorphite > all through it. I cleaned the material to be analyzed the best I > could. I immersed some of it in cold 20% HCl to get an idea of what I > had and to dissolve any carbonates. I left the materials in the acid > and went to sleep. The next day I was shocked when, upon returning to > the vial, I saw bubbles suspended in the liquid, which upon further > inspection was obviously a gel. I then remembered hearing about this > previously, and concluded this must be the silica gel about which I'd > heard. After playing with this for a while and seeing how long it would > remain this way (many days), I decanted the material to an open dish. > As the liquid evaporated, the gel became thicker. I added more clean > water. Weeks later, the gel is still there, and I am wondering what I > might do with it. > > Now I want to know more about it. What is it, exactly? An amorphous > oxide of silicon? What is its formula? What is its proper name? If I > let it dry out, then wet it again, will it become gelatinous again? > Does this only occur when the silica is structural and the mineral is > dissolved with HCl, or under many other circumstances? Can this silica > adsorb to a mineral without becoming part of the permanent structure, > something like zeolitic water? What about volume--there seemed to be > far more gel in the vial than the amount of solid material allowed for; > does it expand greatly when it forms? > > Any answers to any of the questions would be appreciated, as would a > reference I could read that explains these things. > > Thanks, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 18:56:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Erwin WTP) Date: Sun Jun 29 17:56:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption In-Reply-To: <3EFF5E91.E79070CB@att.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030629203314.00a8e060@mail.charter.net> Dear Don, Back in the early sixties when I was a teenybopper, it was possible to go to the educational chemical supply house and buy just about anything. We bought cyanide for plating, sulfuric acid, (could have made our own gas chamber) , any kind of acid, sodium metal to throw into the pond and make explosions, all kinds of good stuff. The sodium came covered in kerosene or some oil, and you could wear gloves, and hurl a little piece into the pond. It would make a wonderful explosion. Magnesium strips were also fun to play with--man would they burn. And the old mortar and pestle was all you needed to make gun powder. I guess we would be arrested for terrorism now. Well, I had just started to be interested in minerals and crystals, and for a science fair project, I decided to grow me some crystals. The book with the formula is I think is still in print. Not being satisfied with just old copper sulfate, alum, salt, and sugar; I wanted to grow GOLD crystals. There was a formula that used some salt of gold (I think gold chloride) and what you would do is disperse it in a test tube full of silica gel (which you made from adding two chemicals together which I do not remember--an acid and some source of silica). Well you let the thing set up for a couple of months and low and behold, you had gold crystals. We grew some silver ones with the base being silver nitrate--I remember that because it would make your fingers black. I think we grew them in silica gel also. I'm sure some real chemist out there will know. But, I have occasionally thought of those gold crystals that I grew. Of course back then Gold Chloride was based on $35/oz gold. The incredible How Stuff Works site has this to say: http://www.howstuffworks.com/question206.htm So I guess what we did was to just add water to the dry "sand" to make our gel. Cannot remember. Tommy Armstorng At 05:48 PM 6/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have recently become intrigued with the concept of "silica" as it >applies to the apparently amorphous and gelatinous substance formed when >certain minerals are treated with acid. I remember that someone once >told me a good field test to distinguish crustal hemimorphite from >smithsonite was to immerse a bit of it in hydrochloric acid. One of the >byproducts of reaction with hemimorphite would be the gelatinous >silica. I noted this but never tried it. Recently, I was analyzing >some very fine weathering material which contained micro hemimorphite >all through it. I cleaned the material to be analyzed the best I >could. I immersed some of it in cold 20% HCl to get an idea of what I >had and to dissolve any carbonates. I left the materials in the acid >and went to sleep. The next day I was shocked when, upon returning to >the vial, I saw bubbles suspended in the liquid, which upon further >inspection was obviously a gel. I then remembered hearing about this >previously, and concluded this must be the silica gel about which I'd >heard. After playing with this for a while and seeing how long it would >remain this way (many days), I decanted the material to an open dish. >As the liquid evaporated, the gel became thicker. I added more clean >water. Weeks later, the gel is still there, and I am wondering what I >might do with it. > >Now I want to know more about it. What is it, exactly? An amorphous >oxide of silicon? What is its formula? What is its proper name? If I >let it dry out, then wet it again, will it become gelatinous again? >Does this only occur when the silica is structural and the mineral is >dissolved with HCl, or under many other circumstances? Can this silica >adsorb to a mineral without becoming part of the permanent structure, >something like zeolitic water? What about volume--there seemed to be >far more gel in the vial than the amount of solid material allowed for; >does it expand greatly when it forms? > >Any answers to any of the questions would be appreciated, as would a >reference I could read that explains these things. > >Thanks, > >Don >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 19:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sun Jun 29 18:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030629203314.00a8e060@mail.charter.net> Message-ID: <007101c33ea4$02457190$6501a8c0@moose> Ahhh.... Brings back memories of visits to Fisher Scientific in New York City. My dad would bring me there and help me pick up chemistry stuff. He even taught me how to make Nitrogen Tri-Iodide! (look it up ). That and the Automat! Memories... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Erwin WTP > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:58 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption > > > Dear Don, > > Back in the early sixties when I was a teenybopper, it was > possible to go > to the educational chemical supply house and buy just about > anything. We From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 20:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Jun 29 19:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption In-Reply-To: <007101c33ea4$02457190$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: The post by Jg81638@aol.com brings it back. Sodium silicate and acetic acid. dissolved the gold sal in water and added it. \ Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 20:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Jun 29 19:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption In-Reply-To: <007101c33ea4$02457190$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: NI3--sounds like fun. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:08 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption > > > Ahhh.... Brings back memories of visits to Fisher Scientific in New York > City. My dad would bring me there and help me pick up chemistry stuff. > He even taught me how to make Nitrogen Tri-Iodide! (look it up ). > That and the Automat! Memories... > > GcB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Erwin WTP > > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:58 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption > > > > > > Dear Don, > > > > Back in the early sixties when I was a teenybopper, it was > > possible to go > > to the educational chemical supply house and buy just about > > anything. We > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Jun 29 21:20:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 29 20:20:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HCl, silica gel, and adsorption References: <007101c33ea4$02457190$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <3EFFAC3A.3F40@Tomaszewski.net> Gary Brown wrote: > > Ahhh.... Brings back memories of visits to Fisher Scientific in New York > City. My dad would bring me there and help me pick up chemistry stuff. > He even taught me how to make Nitrogen Tri-Iodide! (look it up ). > That and the Automat! Memories... Stop tempting me, I've still got a few grams of Iodine in my chemistry set. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 02:04:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Demeulemeester, Pierre) Date: Mon Jun 30 01:04:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] info about Isola Elba Message-ID: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A55131300145797D@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> I am interested with the CD with photos and itineraries for collecting in Isola Elba. How can I acquire it ? Pierre Demeulemeester Rue des Pêchers 10 B1120 - Brussels (Belgium) Tel. : 32 2 2642226 (office) E-mail : pierre.demeulemeester@solvay.com -----Original Message----- From: Italian Minerals [mailto:ItalianMinerals@libero.it] Sent: samedi 28 juin 2003 18:55 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] info about Isola Elba Hi there, within few days I'll be leaving for a 6 days field trip on Isola Elba, Italy to look for tourmalines, elbaites and other pegmatite minerals. I hope to be as lucky as I was last summer !! a lot of nicely terminated crystals fall in my backsack !! those you would like to have infos on what I find or to have preview of what I have in hand while going for rocks can email me starting July 7th. I will have my digital camera, my portable PC and a powerful GPRS system to be linked with everyone on the net. I should be able to send photos of the new material 1-2 days after I found it !! I'll try this new experience so that to let you have also a report of my searches. In case you want to know more about pegmatite minerals from isola Elba, I have produced a quite nice CD with photos and itineraries for collecting. Unfortunately (probably!) for you, it is in italian but our language is quite understandable if accompanied by pictures and photos ! if interested you can email me. Finally, the latest elbaites and tormalines from our winter-tour on Elba have been added on our web site. You can see them on our site at: http:\\www.italianminerals.com and then going to the specific link. regards to everybody, Alessandro ItalianMinerals.com ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the addressee or an authorized recipient of this message, any distribution, copying, publication or use of this information for any purpose is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and then delete this message. Ce message est confidentiel. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire désigné de ce message ou une personne autorisée à l'utiliser, toute distribution, copie, publication ou usage à quelques fins que ce soit des informations contenues dans ce message sont interdits. Merci d'informer immédiatement l'expéditeur par messagerie électronique et d'ensuite détruire ce message. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 09:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Mon Jun 30 08:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] locate dealer Message-ID: <3F0052BB.AD15EE04@epix.net> Hi all, Trying to locate a dealer that goes by WILD LUCYS. (I believe that is the correct spelling) I think he is from or was from Harpursville NY area. Thank you, Bob http://uvbob.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 09:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 30 08:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - Gordonsville Mine Specimens Update Message-ID: <184.1d522434.2c31ad09@aol.com> Hi!=A0 Just letting everyone know that a large majority, if not all, of the=20 specimens that I recently acquired during a trip to Tennessee will be posted= to=20 the website on Wednesday morning, July 2, at 11 a.m. Central Standard Time.= =A0=20 This will probably be the last large lot of specimens that I get from this=20 mining district as the mines are now shut down, most likely forever.=A0 Ther= e are=20 a few collections left with various miners in the area, but no guarantees on= =20 my getting these. Hope that you enjoy looking over the new specimens! Website address is at=20 the bottom of this mail. Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 314-341-1811 http://www.danweinrich.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 09:26:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 30 08:26:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] locate dealer Message-ID: <05F3A814.196E65A5.00180FED@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2003 10:09:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, uvbob@epix.net writes: > Trying to locate a dealer that goes by WILD LUCYS. > (I believe that is the correct spelling) I think > he is from or was from Harpursville NY area. > Thank you, > Bob Bob: Sorry, I've never heard of them. Hope someone else was able to help. Dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 15:53:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (you won't know) Date: Mon Jun 30 14:53:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Andara mining region on strahlen.org Message-ID: <20030630215205.29375.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I visited the Andara mining region, Picos d'Europe, Spain, the last few days. Some 25 mines underground, and on the dumps there with lots of nice Hemimorphit, Hydrozinkit etc. Info and some pics are on http://www.strahlen.org/ Cheers! Frank __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 19:31:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (LAVERNE WRLM) Date: Mon Jun 30 18:31:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures Message-ID: <20030701013024.41436.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> What is the correct name and spelling of the word for making pictures out of rocks where the stone is so tightly fitted together that there is no need for grout, etc? thanks.....back in High school, the ammonium tri-iodide was secretly placed by one ornery fellow on my chair, my lab table, the lab supply keyhole.....with the appropriate response from me every time I put something on it! Was kind of fun to use though. Laverne --- the new kid --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 19:36:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Jun 30 18:36:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures In-Reply-To: <20030701013024.41436.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009501c33f71$20188cc0$6501a8c0@moose> Intarsia, I think. Heh, heh... I was literally "hoisted on my own petard" when a 1cm chunk of the stuff dried out...and I bumped it. 40 years later I think the tintinitus in my ears is a direct result of my not taking care! Oh well... The foibles of youth. GcB > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of LAVERNE WRLM > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:30 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures > > > What is the correct name and spelling of the word for making > pictures out of rocks where the stone is so tightly fitted > together that there is no need for grout, etc? > > thanks.....back in High school, the ammonium tri-iodide was > secretly placed by one ornery fellow on my chair, my lab > table, the lab supply keyhole.....with the appropriate > response from me every time I put something on it! Was kind > of fun to use though. Laverne --- the new kid From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 19:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Jun 30 18:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures References: <20030701013024.41436.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F00E7A7.DF5588EA@att.net> LAVERNE WRLM wrote: > > What is the correct name and spelling of the word for making pictures out of rocks where the stone is so tightly fitted > together that there is no need for grout, etc? I think you mean intarsia? Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 19:40:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 30 18:40:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures Message-ID: <1d1.cd72c1e.2c324060@aol.com> intarsia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 19:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 30 18:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures Message-ID: <15d.20aaaca7.2c3241bd@aol.com> > > What is the correct name and spelling of the word for making pictures out > of rocks where the stone is so tightly fitted > together that there is no > need for grout, etc? "Piedra Dura" or something that sounds like that in Italian. "Hard Stone" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 19:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Jun 30 18:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures and BOOM In-Reply-To: <009501c33f71$20188cc0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <009801c33f73$588117b0$6501a8c0@moose> Cool: http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/ni3/ni3h.htm GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 22:55:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Mon Jun 30 21:55:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures References: <15d.20aaaca7.2c3241bd@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F0113F9.6010804@cox.net> Flint, How about Mosaic? Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Jun 30 23:18:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Jun 30 22:18:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock pictures Message-ID: > How about Mosaic? At first, I thought "Oh yeah, that too", but then I remembered he specified "without grout. As I recall from the very fine lecture given by a famous artist (whose name I would remember if my mother hadn't dropped me on my head), Intarsia is not what we call intarsia. Intarsia is more of an inlay process. Pieces of stone are inlayed into a sheet of slate to make a picture. No grout, but the pieces don't touch each other, just the slate. The intarsia we know is much more like pietra dura, except that the Italians used only hard stones and we use whatever we please. Of course, during the whole talk my left brain was designing improved equipment so my right brain had trouble listening. I could have the whole thing backwards.