From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 07:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Thu May 1 06:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Autunite storage References: <3EAF3542.DE77206E@att.net> <001701c30efd$d3bd0200$d8aa77d5@pandora.be> <3EAFB95D.7E9DDBD1@att.net> <008701c30f4c$c62cc5e0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <3EB0269C.F6D6A34A@att.net> Message-ID: <003a01c30fe7$1478a9e0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Thanks. I'd like to reiterate the meaning of zeolitic water. Zeolitic water comes and goes without affecting the structure of the original mineral. If the structure is affected by dehydration, the water wasn't zeolitic, it was merely loosely held by the structure. If the mineral hydrates/dehydrates, back and forth, without changing the structure, the water is zeolitic. If the water change is a one way street for whatever reason, the water is not zeolitic. Autunite's water is not really zeolitic, except for that bit of there being between 10-12 water molecules per formula unit. Was in Franklin Monday and Tuesday and heard there was quite a successful fieldtrip to the Trotter dump - 176 diggers. Your legacy continues, Don. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Autunite storage > > Thanks Van. I don't know what is more frightening: that you know that, > or that I understood it. > > Don > > Van wrote: > > > > Autunitite group minerals dehydrate in stages. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 09:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 1 08:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Autunite storage (water, water, everywhere) Message-ID: <200305011518.h41FIaHb022592@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Wow, very neat. I've asked questions about structural water previously, and I understood some of it but not all. Sometimes I will have weird conversations with professionals regarding water or hydroxyl; to wit . . . Me: So what would it take to positively ID this as [whatever]? Mineralogist: Let's see . . . (flipping through Fleischer's to find the formula) . . . heavy elements, OK . . . (scowl) oh damn, it has water. Now, not to tread old ground from a previous thread, but somewhere in there we can initiate discussions on IR, FTIR, hydroxyl (formulaic OH) vs. water (* H2O), and I presume structural water (which would be part of the lattice, perhaps?) vs. interstitial water (water that has infiltrated large channels between the unit cells, and may be loosely bonded, but is otherwise not part of the empirical formula?), ad inf. Oy. Hurlbut & Kline's Mineralogy & Bloss's Crystallography & Crystal Chemistry have given me a pretty good idea of bonding, lattices, and channels; I have found other resources describing Goldschmidt's laws of substitution and structural, interstitial, and defect ionic replacements. I can somewhat see how free water might fit into all this. I was reading C&CC last night in bed, though, so I was a little tired and didn't internalize as much as I would have liked (and also woke up wondering why I'm not studying perfect cleavages of the more tender type, and hoping this committment of time and effort pays off in the end, but I digress). So, the golden question is this: can I read something specific about water and all its glorious diverse involvement with the other elements in mineral formation, or is this all interwoven with the more general learning of chemsitry and bonding? By the way, if anyone visits the Petrified Forest in Arizona, and walks around the Blue Mesa path (I think), there is a wonderful interpertive diagram showing how bentonite clay is formed, how it absorbs and releases water into its open structure (swelling and shrinking many-fold times in the process), and why it makes a lousy foundation on which to build or grow anything. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 10:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu May 1 09:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt (fwd) Message-ID: Recieved as a bounce due to excess header length, forwarded snipped -- Aaron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:16:03 -0700 From: Jerry & Esther Boston To: [snipped] Hello to all of Walt's rockhound friends, My name is Esther Boston and I am Walt's cousin. I wanted to let you all know that Walt is very seriously ill this morning in an El Paso hospital. I don't have much in the way of details but can tell you he is in critical condition, unconscious and on a ventilator. He has undergone surgery to insert shunts into his brain to drain a hemorrhage. The prognosis is not good. Please hold Walt and his family in your thoughts and prayers. Esther From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 11:26:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ray Prater, Jr.) Date: Thu May 1 10:26:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock Swap in Rolla, MO May 3-4 References: <3E8A5A0F.5E7A@Tomaszewski.net> <001c01c2f8f1$8d07ca60$369e77d5@pandora.be> <3E90FC32.7956@Tomaszewski.net> <005b01c2fd21$885030a0$0a9d77d5@pandora.be> <3E9257A3.25A4@Tomaszewski.net> <3E9797EC.4A73@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00c401c31005$acbaa5a0$bf5ce5d8@dell> The Central Missouri Mineral, Fossil, and Gem Society will be sponsoring its eighth annual Rock Swap on May 3-4, 2003 at the Central Missouri Regional Fairgrounds, two miles south of the Rolla, MO Wal-Mart, on US HWY 63. The Swap will be open to the public and there will be no admission charge. The Rock Swap will be open from 9 AM to 5 PM on Saturday and from 10 AM to 3 PM on Sunday. This will be an opportunity for people to buy, sell, trade, or just admire beautiful and interesting examples of minerals, fossils, gems, and jewelry. There are a limited number of indoor swap spaces and plenty of room outside. The Rock Swap building will be open on Friday, May 2nd at the Fairgrounds, south of Rolla, for swappers to set up their displays. For more information or to reserve a space contact Ray Prater at (573) 341-2383, gbryl95@rollanet.org, or Ray Prater, CMMFGS, PO Box 1426, Rolla, MO 65402. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 11:40:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Todd Hamrick) Date: Thu May 1 10:40:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Graves Mountain Swap Message-ID: <7287408.1051810743346.JavaMail.nobody@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> The annual Graves Mountain swap will be held this weekend,May2,3,and 4 on the mountain.It is located in Lincoln County,Georgia near the South Carolina/Georgia border.If you need more spacific directions,email me at rutile1@shelby.net.Hope to see you there. Todd From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 11:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Todd Hamrick) Date: Thu May 1 10:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt (fwd) Message-ID: <2951558.1051810957318.JavaMail.nobody@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Esther, Please keep all of us informed.Walt is an active and important member of this group.I am sure he is in all of our prayers. Todd -------Original Message------- From: Aaron Fox Sent: 05/01/03 12:23 PM To: Rockhounds mailing list Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt (fwd) > > Recieved as a bounce due to excess header length, forwarded snipped -- Aaron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:16:03 -0700 From: Jerry & Esther Boston To: [snipped] Hello to all of Walt's rockhound friends, My name is Esther Boston and I am Walt's cousin. I wanted to let you all know that Walt is very seriously ill this morning in an El Paso hospital. I don't have much in the way of details but can tell you he is in critical condition, unconscious and on a ventilator. He has undergone surgery to insert shunts into his brain to drain a hemorrhage. The prognosis is not good. Please hold Walt and his family in your thoughts and prayers. Esther _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 11:55:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Thu May 1 10:55:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Autunite storage (water, water, everywhere) References: <200305011518.h41FIaHb022592@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000901c3100a$a9b27c70$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Reading about water, eh? There are many treatises on ligands, hydration spheres, etc., but mostly in the realm of chemistry where the discussion "takes no prisoners". That's why there are teachers, I guess. Speaking of water. There are now thunder and lightening effects outside. Will try to hold on to finish the discussion. Have no suggestion on where you can learn specifically about water, but for you to pick up issues of mineralogical magazines and read about minerals and structure. Ask questions and keep on adding to what you know about chemistry. There are even minor opinion differences about what is truly structural water on down to what is really just adsorbed water. Yes, the different kinds of water do absorb IR differently and show up on the instrument scans. If you want a brain cramp, here it comes. In the reddingite group, there is structural water surrounding the metal sites. If there is oxidation, one of the waters looses a hydrogen and becomes a hydroxyl to balance the charge, as in landesite and kryzhanovskite. oops. gotta go. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Autunite storage (water, water, everywhere) > > Wow, very neat. I've asked questions about structural water previously, and I > understood some of it but not all. Sometimes I will have weird conversations > with professionals regarding water or hydroxyl; to wit . . . > > Me: So what would it take to positively ID this as [whatever]? > Mineralogist: Let's see . . . (flipping through Fleischer's to find the > formula) . . . heavy elements, OK . . . (scowl) oh damn, it has water. > > Now, not to tread old ground from a previous thread, but somewhere in there we > can initiate discussions on IR, FTIR, hydroxyl (formulaic OH) vs. water (* > H2O), and I presume structural water (which would be part of the lattice, > perhaps?) vs. interstitial water (water that has infiltrated large channels > between the unit cells, and may be loosely bonded, but is otherwise not part of > the empirical formula?), ad inf. Oy. > > Hurlbut & Kline's Mineralogy & Bloss's Crystallography & Crystal Chemistry have > given me a pretty good idea of bonding, lattices, and channels; I have found > other resources describing Goldschmidt's laws of substitution and structural, > interstitial, and defect ionic replacements. I can somewhat see how free water > might fit into all this. I was reading C&CC last night in bed, though, so I > was a little tired and didn't internalize as much as I would have liked (and > also woke up wondering why I'm not studying perfect cleavages of the more > tender type, and hoping this committment of time and effort pays off in the > end, but I digress). > > So, the golden question is this: can I read something specific about water and > all its glorious diverse involvement with the other elements in mineral > formation, or is this all interwoven with the more general learning of > chemsitry and bonding? > > By the way, if anyone visits the Petrified Forest in Arizona, and walks around > the Blue Mesa path (I think), there is a wonderful interpertive diagram showing > how bentonite clay is formed, how it absorbs and releases water into its open > structure (swelling and shrinking many-fold times in the process), and why it > makes a lousy foundation on which to build or grow anything. > > Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 18:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu May 1 17:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030501144659.040e0d50@mail.aloha.net> Is this Walt Bowser? Kitty At 06:23 AM 5/1/2003, you wrote: >Recieved as a bounce due to excess header length, forwarded snipped > -- Aaron >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:16:03 -0700 >From: Jerry & Esther Boston >To: [snipped] > >Hello to all of Walt's rockhound friends, > >My name is Esther Boston and I am Walt's cousin. I wanted to let you all >know that Walt is very seriously ill this morning in an El Paso hospital. I >don't have much in the way of details but can tell you he is in critical >condition, unconscious and on a ventilator. He has undergone surgery to >insert shunts into his brain to drain a hemorrhage. The prognosis is not >good. Please hold Walt and his family in your thoughts and prayers. > >Esther > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 1 19:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Thu May 1 18:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt (fwd) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030501144659.040e0d50@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3EB1C605.2010603@earthlink.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Is this Walt Bowser? Yes. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 07:14:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William S. Cordua) Date: Fri May 2 06:14:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Walt Bowser In-Reply-To: <127.182100e6.2ad5934c@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear Friends, I just got the following very sad note about Walt Bowser: >Dear Bill, > >Walt was taken off the ventilator early last evening, May 1. He had no >chance of survival after suffering a massive arterial bleed to the brain. > >As evidenced by the many responses I've had to my original message, Walt >will be missed by many around the world. > >Regards, >Esther Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 09:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Fri May 2 08:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. Message-ID: <3EB287B9.4070000@cox.net> Dear Friends, I write this with a heavy heart. Walt was more than a good friend, over the years we shared many a laugh and many a thought. Walt's humor and compassion was legend, and I am happy I was able to share it. I last had a wonderful meal at Walt's home prepared by his lovely wife Marta, and shared with his octogenarian mother as well as his daughter and her family. I was at Walt's home while he was selling off some of his vast inventory, preparing for the move to Las Cruces. While there an airplane made a safe crash landing on the freeway that ran just below Walt's home, a good 2 iron away. Soon the air above us was filled with news media helicopters, we joked about how popular Walt's sale was, that even planes landed close so not to miss the good stuff. When there was a flame on a list and Walt was caught in the flame thrower, several of us signed off that list, and another was started where we were all able to philosophize openly. Walt posted there just a few scant hours ago, I will treasure that last memory I have of Walt. Not many know that Walt had a cancer scare recently. He shared with me very recently that one scan was improved, and he had one other area of concern, but that he decided life would go on to its fullest. He had enjoyed a very full life, went where he wanted to go, did what he wanted to do, and had a good time along the way. Walt met Marta during one of his safari's and they began to enjoy life together. Marta joined Walt in California, and they shared their first wedding anniversary last December. They were building a house in Mexico for the three of them, Marta has a son Pepe that Walt became a father to, and enjoyed every minute of it all. Walt went as he wanted to do, fast and without tubes. He never wanted to be intubated to be kept alive by mechanical devices. I know he would have wanted more time with his family and friends, It was not to be. I have great memories of Walt and will cherish every one of them. Rest in Peace my friend, Rest in Peace. Fondly, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 09:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 2 08:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. Message-ID: <21CB6EA5.1C603762.02180873@aol.com> While I never actually met Walt, we've shared rocks and jokes both on and off list for a number of years. I'm deeply saddened by his passing. I find some comfort in knowing he was enjoying his passions for life, love, family, friends, rocks and humor to the end. I will certainly miss him. Is there an address to send flowers? Gene Hartstein From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 11:17:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 2 10:17:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. Message-ID: <31900E9E.72E79730.0205E85F@aol.com> I also would like to send my condolences to Walts family! He was on my HeavensandEarths list, and I was on his SchistHappens list..and he was a wonderful gentle man! He was a lot of fun too! I will miss his humor and his jokes! God Speed Walt! We'll miss you! Jackie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 13:58:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 2 12:58:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. Message-ID: <1e.105f0a2e.2be42777@aol.com> Years ago when CB Radio was popular we would say a deceased CB'er had gone to Channel Zero. I think old rockhounds go to some eternal gemfield where the pickings are good and the next find is always better than the last. Walk slow Walt. The rest of us will catch up with you soon enough. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 15:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri May 2 14:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> I toss many "drizzle" messages into a file called "rocks" instead of "trash," because I often want to check back on something. So I just finished checking back on those I'd filed of Walt's. I found all of his to be interesting, informative, thought-provoking, funny, or all of the above. I never met him, but his personality came through to such an extent that I found myself fighting back tears knowing he is gone. We did exchange the following on the list last year, which some of you may remember: [Walt:] I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered in a volcano, at sea and my favorite mining areas. Volcano, I can return to whence I came. Sea? Tradition, favorite areas, sentiment. [Kitty:] Walt, when you make pre-arrangements for your ashes, just have 2/3rds of them sent here [to the Big Island]; we'll take care of the volcano and sea part...there's plenty of both here! [Walt:] You got it. Right in the old flame. That is where my ex wife said I was going anyway. Yeah, the big Island would be great. Sprinkle a little in the lava tubes also. Aloha nui loa, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 18:07:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Fri May 2 17:07:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's-eye: not a pseudomorph In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: The April 2003 issue of the geology journal named Geology (published by the Geological Society of America) contains a detailed 4 page mineralogical investigation of the gemstone tiger's-eye. There are details of the mineralogy of the rock and extended discussion of how it formed. Tiger's-eye is commonly reported to be a SiO2 pseudomorph of crocidolite asbestos, in which the form of asbestos fibers is preserved after replacement by silica. The authors of the Geology report (Heaney & Fisher, of Penn. State Univ.) prepared thin sections, did X-ray diffraction studies, and transmission electron microscopy to determine the identity, composition and form of the stone. Their primary conclusion is that tiger's-eye formed directly in veins in the country rock, growing in a series of steps as the fractures opened and were sealed shut many times. They noted that a pseudomorph replacement of asbestos fibers did not happen, because any replacement by silica should generate chalcedony silica and there is no evidence for that in the tiger's-eye or related hawk's-eye material. The silica crystals of tiger's-eye are elongate and perpendicular to the sides of the vein, growing larger as they grow away from the vein surface. This is typical growth pattern for crystals growing in place. Details of the work are in the article; the take-home point is that it is not a pseudomorph. The chatoyant character of the tiger's-eye is due to minute inclusions of crocidolite; tiny crystallites that are always parallel and are nearly always minute in size. The crocidolite inclusion are not always aligned parallel to the quartz crystals. In the bluish hawk's-eye variety, crocidolite inclusions are always present. In brownish tiger's-eye, the crocidolite inclusions are altered to hematite and/or goethite and lose chatoyancy. In intermediate varieties, some crocidolite inclusions are altered and some not, and this type retains chatoyancy. This is a very interesting report on a well known gemstone. Sad to learn that it is not pseudomorphic, but it actually makes a lot of sense, because it would be hard to see how the reflective properties of asbestos fibers could be retained while being altered to silica to produce tiger's-eye. It is nice to know how the material formed. Tom Yancey From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 2 21:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Fri May 2 20:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's-eye: not a pseudomorph References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3EB338F6.8030908@cox.net> Tom, Thank you very much, I found your commentary very informative. I do enjoy Tigers Eye. Thanks, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 02:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (lerock) Date: Sat May 3 01:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <018101c3114b$5f9dc3a0$b679dccb@host> Greetings , as some of you know I'm pretty much out of the loop just now but something nagged at me to d/l my emails today. I guess I know why now. My condolensces to Marta and Pepe, Walt will be sorely missed by all of us. Les. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 07:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Sat May 3 06:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's-eye: not a pseudomorph References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <001401c31177$86a5f770$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Great report. Another myth down the drain! There was a nonsequitur in the findings. There are plenty of quartz replacements and quartz pseudomorphs in the world which seem to have had no chalcedony development. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Yancey" To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's-eye: not a pseudomorph > The April 2003 issue of the geology journal named Geology (published > by the Geological Society of America) contains a detailed 4 page > mineralogical investigation of the gemstone tiger's-eye. There are > details of the mineralogy of the rock and extended discussion of how > it formed. > > Tiger's-eye is commonly reported to be a SiO2 pseudomorph of > crocidolite asbestos, in which the form of asbestos fibers is > preserved after replacement by silica. The authors of the Geology > report (Heaney & Fisher, of Penn. State Univ.) prepared thin > sections, did X-ray diffraction studies, and transmission electron > microscopy to determine the identity, composition and form of the > stone. Their primary conclusion is that tiger's-eye formed directly > in veins in the country rock, growing in a series of steps as the > fractures opened and were sealed shut many times. They noted that a > pseudomorph replacement of asbestos fibers did not happen, because > any replacement by silica should generate chalcedony silica and there > is no evidence for that in the tiger's-eye or related hawk's-eye > material. The silica crystals of tiger's-eye are elongate and > perpendicular to the sides of the vein, growing larger as they grow > away from the vein surface. This is typical growth pattern for > crystals growing in place. Details of the work are in the article; > the take-home point is that it is not a pseudomorph. > > The chatoyant character of the tiger's-eye is due to minute > inclusions of crocidolite; tiny crystallites that are always parallel > and are nearly always minute in size. The crocidolite inclusion are > not always aligned parallel to the quartz crystals. In the bluish > hawk's-eye variety, crocidolite inclusions are always present. In > brownish tiger's-eye, the crocidolite inclusions are altered to > hematite and/or goethite and lose chatoyancy. In intermediate > varieties, some crocidolite inclusions are altered and some not, and > this type retains chatoyancy. > > This is a very interesting report on a well known gemstone. Sad to > learn that it is not pseudomorphic, but it actually makes a lot of > sense, because it would be hard to see how the reflective properties > of asbestos fibers could be retained while being altered to silica to > produce tiger's-eye. It is nice to know how the material formed. > > Tom Yancey > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 15:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat May 3 14:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme and MasMils/PLUS Message-ID: BlankHi all... I just got in copies of DeLorme's Street Atlas 2003 and Topo USA 4.0. They have a neat new import feature that works with one of the other chunks of data on my MasMils/PLUS disk. Most of you have seen the text files that I've been posting on a regular basis. What a lot of people don't know is that I've also got a Microsoft Access 2000 "translation" of the original USBM MasMils data on the CD. I built it when I was creating my text file extracts...but I figured others could play with it. The neat thing about the new DeLorme's is that you can import an Access querry into your DeLorme maps. {Ok... non-geek types can tune out here....} So, for example, I wanted to get at ALL the feldspar mines in South Dakota. I used the Querry Builder in Access to come up with: SELECT STA, NAM, COM1, LAT, LON FROM MASMILS WHERE STA="south dakota" AND COM1="feldspar"; I stored that as a querry named "SD Feldspar" in the database. I then went into the "XData" section of the DeLorme stuff and pulled in the querry, telling the program to label the map with pins (oh yeh... you now get a choice of pin/symbol!) with the name of the prospect. Bingo... a map with all the feldspar data. You could come up with some weird stuff in there... {Ok... you can come back now...} Way cool... of course, you still have the "original" import method where you can pull in my pre-made text files. I'm thinking of making a little querry builder gizmo that will be installable with my MasMils/PLUS so you can build these things without having to have a copy of Access (mind you, with my existing stuff you don't need it now...). Note... the interface on Street Atlas 2003 now matches the interface that came in with Topo USA 3.0. A little bit of a learning curve if you are used to the old interface, but once you figure it out you have a much richer set of features in there to play with. Highly Recommended. I don't sell the DeLorme stuff, but you can get it on there web site at: http://www.delorme.com. Of course, I've got my MasMils/PLUS up on eBay (as usual!). This current auction ends up Sat. night... but if it is after the close it will have a link to a revised copy. You can always pop over to my web site and send me a note...I'll sell ya one "off the rack". http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3226&item=2172442756& rd=1 Ok... back to helping my sweetie here at the office fill out on-line teacher job applications. Anyone in the St. Paul/Minneapolis area got a job for an elementary school teacher? Minneapolis is canning a ton of teachers. Oh well, I guess they figure it's cheaper to pay for jails in the future than schools right now. Regards, Gary Catspaw Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 18:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Sat May 3 17:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. Message-ID: Folks: I didn't know Walt, but it sounds like he was quite a fellow. Maybe someone could compose a brief biography in his honor. I believe there are many "friends of mineralogy" out there who should be written about for the benefit of all. Paul Gilmore >From: "lerock" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. >Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:09:50 +1000 > >Greetings , as some of you know I'm pretty much out of the loop just now >but >something nagged at me to d/l my emails today. I guess I know why now. My >condolensces to Marta and Pepe, Walt will be sorely missed by all of us. >Les. > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 19:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sat May 3 18:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Passing of Walter Bowser (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:24:09 -0600 From: Dr. Walter S. Bowser Subject: The Passing of Walter Bowser I apologize for the delay in writing as many of you know my father had a wonderful sense of humor and loved to play jokes. Even from the other side he continues to play. You see he had not only one password on his e-mail but two and it has taken us until now to figure it out. Some of you may have receive a message from Cousin Esther for those who did not I am trying to send to the entire Address Book. WALTER BOWSER passed from this world on May 1st. His final hours were spent in the El Paso TX hospital where he had been air lifted after collapsing at home suffering from a severe headache. At the Hospital the Neurological team determined he had a massive Arterial bleed in his brain. There was nothing that could be done. His brain was injured extensively when the bleed occurred. After almost 24 hours of testing and procedures in ICU care his heart gave out and he passed peacefully. WE WILL ALL MISS A WONDERFUL and GIFTED MAN, A UNIQUE MAN, A WORLD TRAVELER AND SCHOLAR, A HUSBAND and DAD. There never will be another Walt Bowser. He was truly one of a kind. Services will be held in Las Cruces NM. on Monday, May5th at 10 AM at Getz funeral home. A celebration of his life will be held in Bakersfield, California sometime soon. LIVE EACH DAY AS IF IT WERE YOUR LAST, because we never know? PLease take care Koral Walt's Daughter From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 19:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat May 3 18:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser, R.I.P. References: Message-ID: I'm from Walt's home town; Bakersfield, CA. Walt would share with me; the best collecting spots in our area. I could never afford to go on any of his trips, even with the discount he would offer, he even told me he would get his mother to baby sit my 5 kids if I could come up with the money to go, he was a kind man. I feel a deep loss for a friend and fellow rockhound, I'm going to miss him. Sherry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 3 21:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat May 3 20:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Passing of Walter Bowser (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3EB4842F.253B@Tomaszewski.net> For those who may not have known Walt I recommend you visit his website at http://mineralsearch.com/ to find out more about his contributions to our hobby. Walt will be missed! Aaron Fox wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:24:09 -0600 > From: Dr. Walter S. Bowser > Subject: The Passing of Walter Bowser > > I apologize for the delay in writing as many of you know my father had a > wonderful sense of humor and loved to play jokes. Even from the other > side he continues to play. You see he had not only one password on his > e-mail but two and it has taken us until now to figure it out. > Some of you may have receive a message from Cousin Esther for those who > did not I am trying to send to the entire Address Book. > > WALTER BOWSER passed from this world on May 1st. His final hours were > spent in the El Paso TX hospital where he had been air lifted after > collapsing at home suffering from a severe headache. At the Hospital > the Neurological team determined he had a massive Arterial bleed in his > brain. There was nothing that could be done. His brain was injured > extensively when the bleed occurred. After almost 24 hours of testing > and procedures in ICU care his heart gave out and he passed peacefully. > WE WILL ALL MISS A WONDERFUL and GIFTED MAN, A UNIQUE MAN, A WORLD > TRAVELER AND SCHOLAR, A HUSBAND and DAD. There never will be another > Walt Bowser. He was truly one of a kind. > > Services will be held in Las Cruces NM. on Monday, May5th at 10 AM at > Getz funeral home. > A celebration of his life will be held in Bakersfield, California > sometime soon. > > LIVE EACH DAY AS IF IT WERE YOUR LAST, because we never know? > > PLease take care > Koral > Walt's Daughter > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun May 4 07:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? Message-ID: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> Hi all, I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't find it at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I need to send a trade to Japan and want to use the official customs code for no-value specimens. I would appreciate if someone could forward it. Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (michael schmidt) Date: Sun May 4 07:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> Message-ID: <000b01c31247$30b23830$e8a95618@Babelicious> 97050000 geological samples for scientific collection purposes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "R&F" ; "rockhounds" ; Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? > > Hi all, > > I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't find it > at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I need to > send a trade to Japan and want to use the official customs code for > no-value specimens. I would appreciate if someone could forward it. > > Thanks, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (michael schmidt) Date: Sun May 4 07:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> Message-ID: <000f01c31247$7f677350$e8a95618@Babelicious> ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just $5.00 or $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you don't put a value on something, customs will assign a value and this is not good for the recipient. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "R&F" ; "rockhounds" ; Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? > > Hi all, > > I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't find it > at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I need to > send a trade to Japan and want to use the official customs code for > no-value specimens. I would appreciate if someone could forward it. > > Thanks, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun May 4 07:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens forscientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> <000b01c31247$30b23830$e8a95618@Babelicious> Message-ID: <3EB5222D.7BCB7B6C@att.net> That's it, thank you so much (I knew it had a 5 and many 0s) Don michael schmidt wrote: > > 97050000 > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:24:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun May 4 07:24:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens forscientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> <000f01c31247$7f677350$e8a95618@Babelicious> Message-ID: <3EB523E0.9DCAA646@att.net> Thanks for the tip . . . I did that recently, though, and the recipient had to pay duty on the item. I think I insured it, which was the reason I needed to assign a value. Is $5 below the threshold of duty then? michael schmidt wrote: > > ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just $5.00 or > $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you don't put a > value on something, customs will assign a value and this is not good for the > recipient. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:29:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (michael schmidt) Date: Sun May 4 07:29:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens forscientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> <000f01c31247$7f677350$e8a95618@Babelicious> <3EB523E0.9DCAA646@att.net> Message-ID: <003401c31249$73599870$e8a95618@Babelicious> you have to be sensible about it. the code itself is actually for a duty free product. some countries (Like Canada ) have taxes applicable for goods entering the country. If you sent me a box and listed the contents worth $100, i would have to pay 7%, or $7.00. Not a lot, compared to the problems of customs seizing a package. If it's a huge box that cost $500 to ship, and you put a value of $25.00 on it, there will be suspicion. Use your discretion.....if it is a small box, a few dollars is sufficient. Remember, the few dollars he MAY have to pay in taxes won't be much..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens forscientific study? > > Thanks for the tip . . . I did that recently, though, and the recipient > had to pay duty on the item. I think I insured it, which was the reason > I needed to assign a value. Is $5 below the threshold of duty then? > > michael schmidt wrote: > > > > ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just $5.00 or > > $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you don't put a > > value on something, customs will assign a value and this is not good for the > > recipient. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronald Werner) Date: Sun May 4 07:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> <000f01c31247$7f677350$e8a95618@Babelicious> Message-ID: <001801c31249$d6e8cf00$c95b5490@RW> I have been using "rock samples for geological study - no commercial value" in more than 15 years, and have not in one single case ever experienced problems. The only problems occurred when someone actually did assign a value higher than the official limit (about $25,- here in Norway) to the minerals and did not include an invoice. And with an invoice included, I paid through my nose to officially import the minerals. Ronald Werner Evje Norway ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael schmidt" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? > ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just $5.00 or > $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you don't put a > value on something, customs will assign a value and this is not good for the > recipient. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don H" > To: "R&F" ; "rockhounds" > ; > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:10 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for > scientific study? > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't find it > > at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I need to > > send a trade to Japan and want to use the official customs code for > > no-value specimens. I would appreciate if someone could forward it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 08:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (michael schmidt) Date: Sun May 4 07:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net> <000f01c31247$7f677350$e8a95618@Babelicious> <001801c31249$d6e8cf00$c95b5490@RW> Message-ID: <004201c3124c$328d6e90$e8a95618@Babelicious> like I said....different rules for different countries. the code is universal, but how countries apply taxes is a differet story. when I have stuff shipped to me, I have it labelled as having a commercial value of anywhere from $20 to $100. Problem one: obviously if you want to insure the box, you have to write the actual value on it. I have this value written on the box all of the time now. I never used to, until I had a customs agent call me and tell me that EVERYTHING was worth SOMETHING......so it had to have a decared value. I once had a friend send me a box with $50 worth of fossils (2 specimens, actually). In it he included two invoices...one of tthe $50 wprth of this shipment, the other for the $5000+ worth of material I had bought from him over the year that had NEVER been sent to Canada. When I went to pick up the box at the post office, I was promptly informed of a $500 tax bill to pay before I took the box home! As there were two invoices in the box, the customs agent was put in a situation where he was forced to think for himself. This is NEVER a good thing for the recipient of a package going through customs. When I called him and asked him why he didn't match the two labelled items to the first invoice (the only fossils that were in the box...), he sidetracked the issue and began questioning me on the legalities of importing and owning such unbelieveably rare fossils.......(a couple of Green River fish!). The conversation ended quite abruptly when I began questioning his education in geology or paleontology (not a smart move on my behalf!!)......but I was pissed. After going through his supervisor I was able to fix the situation. In the end, I had to pay the tax and then wait over 2 months to be reimbursed. The lesson here boys and girls is ALWAYS make a customs officer's job completely effortless. Put the codes....put some type of value. If you make them go to the trouble of putting attention and thought into your shipment.......you'll regret it!!! Your shipment should never make eye contact with these guys. Flash its i.d. and value, and get the hell out!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Werner" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? > I have been using "rock samples for geological study - no commercial value" > in more than 15 years, and have not in one single case ever experienced > problems. The only problems occurred when someone actually did assign a > value higher than the official limit (about $25,- here in Norway) to the > minerals and did not include an invoice. And with an invoice included, I > paid through my nose to officially import the minerals. > > Ronald Werner > Evje > Norway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael schmidt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for > scientific study? > > > > ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just $5.00 or > > $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you don't put > a > > value on something, customs will assign a value and this is not good for > the > > recipient. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don H" > > To: "R&F" ; "rockhounds" > > ; > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:10 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for > > scientific study? > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't find it > > > at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I need to > > > send a trade to Japan and want to use the official customs code for > > > no-value specimens. I would appreciate if someone could forward it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 11:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun May 4 10:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's-eye: not a pseudomorph In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502105332.03a29db0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: I'm with Van. Two items in their reasoning don't make sense, one being the lack of chalcedonic silica. Other researchers don't report its presence in most replacements by quartz. The second item being that the chatoyancy is due to inclusions of crocidolite. Chatoyancy is caused by light reflection of tiny fibers and is easily caused in the micro world and macroworld (just wrap someones hair around your finger and look at the "tigereye-like" effect). Considering that the researchers have reported that the quartz is in thin elongated (fibrous) form, be it originally that way or a replacement of crocidolite fibers, that's all that is needed to cause the chatoyancy. Regards, Lanny >The April 2003 issue of the geology journal named Geology (published >by the Geological Society of America) contains a detailed 4 page >mineralogical investigation of the gemstone tiger's-eye. There are >details of the mineralogy of the rock and extended discussion of how >it formed. > >Tiger's-eye is commonly reported to be a SiO2 pseudomorph of >crocidolite asbestos, in which the form of asbestos fibers is >preserved after replacement by silica. The authors of the Geology >report (Heaney & Fisher, of Penn. State Univ.) prepared thin >sections, did X-ray diffraction studies, and transmission electron >microscopy to determine the identity, composition and form of the >stone. Their primary conclusion is that tiger's-eye formed directly >in veins in the country rock, growing in a series of steps as the >fractures opened and were sealed shut many times. They noted that a >pseudomorph replacement of asbestos fibers did not happen, because >any replacement by silica should generate chalcedony silica and >there is no evidence for that in the tiger's-eye or related >hawk's-eye material. The silica crystals of tiger's-eye are elongate >and perpendicular to the sides of the vein, growing larger as they >grow away from the vein surface. This is typical growth pattern for >crystals growing in place. Details of the work are in the article; >the take-home point is that it is not a pseudomorph. > >The chatoyant character of the tiger's-eye is due to minute >inclusions of crocidolite; tiny crystallites that are always >parallel and are nearly always minute in size. The crocidolite >inclusion are not always aligned parallel to the quartz crystals. In >the bluish hawk's-eye variety, crocidolite inclusions are always >present. In brownish tiger's-eye, the crocidolite inclusions are >altered to hematite and/or goethite and lose chatoyancy. In >intermediate varieties, some crocidolite inclusions are altered and >some not, and this type retains chatoyancy. > >This is a very interesting report on a well known gemstone. Sad to >learn that it is not pseudomorphic, but it actually makes a lot of >sense, because it would be hard to see how the reflective properties >of asbestos fibers could be retained while being altered to silica >to produce tiger's-eye. It is nice to know how the material formed. > >Tom Yancey >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lanny@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 13:29:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun May 4 12:29:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for scientific study? In-Reply-To: <004201c3124c$328d6e90$e8a95618@Babelicious> Message-ID: <000801c31273$36187f60$97e0c950@maxdata> I posted this in 1999 on this list, and in the meantime the full text is also available on http://www.geonord.org/swap/exchanges.html 9. Before any shipment discuss the method of shipment, documents, custom's declarations, insurance issues etc. with your partner. In some countries you can get a fine due to ignorance of the sender (e.g. here in Belgium). For a small parcel "minerals for study purposes - no commercial value" will do, but a large, valuable parcel needs a more sophisticated treatment. 10. Be aware that shipping cost depends much on 1°/ the choice between Air Mail, surface Mail and fast delivery services, 2°/ the weight of the parcel and 3°/ the country of the sender. Mail cost from Europe to the USA is usually much more expensive than the reverse (the jetstream comes usually from the USA to Europe... they just use less fuel I think :>)). 11. If a parcel is valuable, it is probably a good idea to insure it. Keep all tags and documents after sending ! Take into account that your destinee might have to pay duty and taxes on the INSURED or the declared value, whichever is the HIGHEST. 12. Pack your specimens very carefully. They should be packed so that you can drop the parcel from a height of 2 m on the floor several times without any damage... This does not imply that you should drop every parcel once out of your window before sending, but it's just a rule of thumb. Use an extra plastic bag inside, and if the box is not full fill it up completely with light styrofoam, bubble sheet or whatever you have available, so that (even individually packed) specimens can not move around. Wrap the outer side with water-resistent paper or plastic, and close the whole thing with cord. Make sure that postage stamps, adress labels etc. are fixed firmly (especially on plastic packing material) to avoid that they get lost. 13. If applicable, use the necessary custom's documents (at least the small green declaration label) ; if you don't know what's necessary, contact the destinee first before sending. 14. Tune with the destinee if it is necessary to avoid putting any labels, prices, letters or whatever in or on the parcel. In Belgium e.g. the difference between azurite and linarite is 21 resp. 6 % of V.A.T., plus, for azurite, a special permit for import (in principle azurite is considered as a "stone that can be used for the production or ornaments", even if only crystals of 2 mm are present). Not all custom officers understand exactly what the target of a law is. In general the best solution is to have in or on the parcel the strict minimum of information ; the rest should be sent always separately. For me the best situation is that the specimens are just identified with "A", "B", "C" etc., and that the labels, invoice etc. are sent separately in an envelope. So my advice : no letters, no invoices, no lists, even no labels, except an identification code. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show ATTENTION ! NEW LOCATION ! "Stuurboord - hangar 26-27", Rijnkaai 96, B-2000 Antwerpen 10 ' north of "Het Steen", Schelde - see http://www.stuurboord.com/gif/map.gif Large parking lot ! http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *michael schmidt *Sent: zondag 4 mei 2003 16:48 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral *specimens for scientific study? * * *like I said....different rules for different countries. * *the code is universal, but how countries apply taxes is a *differet story. when I have stuff shipped to me, I have it *labelled as having a commercial value of anywhere from $20 to *$100. Problem one: obviously if you want to insure the box, *you have to write the actual value on it. * *I have this value written on the box all of the time now. I *never used to, until I had a customs agent call me and tell me *that EVERYTHING was worth SOMETHING......so it had to have a *decared value. * *I once had a friend send me a box with $50 worth of fossils (2 *specimens, actually). In it he included two invoices...one of *tthe $50 wprth of this shipment, the other for the $5000+ *worth of material I had bought from him over the year that had *NEVER been sent to Canada. When I went to pick up the box at *the post office, I was promptly informed of a $500 tax bill to *pay before I took the box home! As there were two invoices in *the box, the customs agent was put in a situation where he was *forced to think for himself. This is NEVER a good thing for *the recipient of a package going through customs. When I *called him and asked him why he didn't match the two labelled *items to the first invoice (the only fossils that were in the *box...), he sidetracked the issue and began questioning me on *the legalities of importing and owning such unbelieveably rare *fossils.......(a couple of Green River fish!). * *The conversation ended quite abruptly when I began questioning *his education in geology or paleontology (not a smart move on *my behalf!!)......but I was pissed. After going through his *supervisor I was able to fix the situation. * *In the end, I had to pay the tax and then wait over 2 months *to be reimbursed. * *The lesson here boys and girls is ALWAYS make a customs *officer's job completely effortless. Put the codes....put *some type of value. * *If you make them go to the trouble of putting attention and *thought into your shipment.......you'll regret it!!! Your *shipment should never make eye contact with these guys. Flash *its i.d. and value, and get the hell out!!! *----- Original Message ----- *From: "Ronald Werner" *To: *Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:29 AM *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral *specimens for scientific study? * * *> I have been using "rock samples for geological study - no commercial *value" *> in more than 15 years, and have not in one single case ever *> experienced problems. The only problems occurred when *someone actually *> did assign a value higher than the official limit (about *$25,- here in *> Norway) to the minerals and did not include an invoice. And with an *> invoice included, I paid through my nose to officially import the *> minerals. *> *> Ronald Werner *> Evje *> Norway *> *> ----- Original Message ----- *> From: "michael schmidt" *> To: *> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:14 PM *> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral *specimens for *> scientific study? *> *> *> > ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just *> > $5.00 *or *> > $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you *> > don't *put *> a *> > value on something, customs will assign a value and this *is not good *> > for *> the *> > recipient. *> > ----- Original Message ----- *> > From: "Don H" *> > To: "R&F" ; "rockhounds" *> > ; *> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:10 AM *> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for *> > scientific study? *> > *> > *> > > *> > > Hi all, *> > > *> > > I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't *> > > find *it *> > > at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I *> > > need to send a trade to Japan and want to use the *official customs *> > > code for no-value specimens. I would appreciate if *someone could *> > > forward it. *> > > *> > > Thanks, *> > > *> > > Don *> > > _______________________________________________ *> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *> > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *> > > Subscription Services: *> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds *> > *> > _______________________________________________ *> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *> > Subscription Services: *> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds *> *> _______________________________________________ *> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *> Subscription Services: *> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 14:48:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Armando Afonso) Date: Sun May 4 13:48:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens forscientific study? References: <3EB51F5A.84C23B08@att.net><000f01c31247$7f677350$e8a95618@Babelicious><001801c31249$d6e8cf00$c95b5490@RW> <004201c3124c$328d6e90$e8a95618@Babelicious> Message-ID: <000d01c3127e$1de2fbe0$97e1fea9@1> In Portugal, the tax is correspondent to the IVA (VAT), ie 19%. AA ----- Original Message ----- From: michael schmidt To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens forscientific study? > like I said....different rules for different countries. > > the code is universal, but how countries apply taxes is a differet story. > when I have stuff shipped to me, I have it labelled as having a commercial > value of anywhere from $20 to $100. Problem one: obviously if you want to > insure the box, you have to write the actual value on it. > > I have this value written on the box all of the time now. I never used to, > until I had a customs agent call me and tell me that EVERYTHING was worth > SOMETHING......so it had to have a decared value. > > I once had a friend send me a box with $50 worth of fossils (2 specimens, > actually). In it he included two invoices...one of tthe $50 wprth of this > shipment, the other for the $5000+ worth of material I had bought from him > over the year that had NEVER been sent to Canada. When I went to pick up > the box at the post office, I was promptly informed of a $500 tax bill to > pay before I took the box home! As there were two invoices in the box, the > customs agent was put in a situation where he was forced to think for > himself. This is NEVER a good thing for the recipient of a package going > through customs. When I called him and asked him why he didn't match the > two labelled items to the first invoice (the only fossils that were in the > box...), he sidetracked the issue and began questioning me on the legalities > of importing and owning such unbelieveably rare fossils.......(a couple of > Green River fish!). > > The conversation ended quite abruptly when I began questioning his education > in geology or paleontology (not a smart move on my behalf!!)......but I was > pissed. After going through his supervisor I was able to fix the situation. > > In the end, I had to pay the tax and then wait over 2 months to be > reimbursed. > > The lesson here boys and girls is ALWAYS make a customs officer's job > completely effortless. Put the codes....put some type of value. > > If you make them go to the trouble of putting attention and thought into > your shipment.......you'll regret it!!! Your shipment should never make eye > contact with these guys. Flash its i.d. and value, and get the hell out!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald Werner" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for > scientific study? > > > > I have been using "rock samples for geological study - no commercial > value" > > in more than 15 years, and have not in one single case ever experienced > > problems. The only problems occurred when someone actually did assign a > > value higher than the official limit (about $25,- here in Norway) to the > > minerals and did not include an invoice. And with an invoice included, I > > paid through my nose to officially import the minerals. > > > > Ronald Werner > > Evje > > Norway > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael schmidt" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for > > scientific study? > > > > > > > ALWAYS put a commercial value on something....even if it is just $5.00 > or > > > $10.00. Everything has some type of value. Quite often if you don't > put > > a > > > value on something, customs will assign a value and this is not good for > > the > > > recipient. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don H" > > > To: "R&F" ; "rockhounds" > > > ; > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:10 AM > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Help: Customs code for mineral specimens for > > > scientific study? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I know it has been published to the list previously, but I can't find > it > > > > at the moment and the search engines aren't helping either. I need to > > > > send a trade to Japan and want to use the official customs code for > > > > no-value specimens. I would appreciate if someone could forward it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 18:07:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sun May 4 17:07:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - web site UPDATE Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030505020641.007d8c20@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, Large update on ItalianMinerals.com ! in addition to HEMATITE from Isola Elba, there are SPHALERITE, ZINKENITE, BOTRYOGEN, HEMIMORPHYTE from Italy, ELBAITE from Pakistan. Goto: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew-7.html Several specimens of FLUORITE from Canada can be seen on: http://www.italianminerals.com/whatsnew-7.html Very nice green FLUORITE from China are now on show at: http://www.italianminerals.com/ASIA/china-fluorite.html Some specimens of deep red GARNET from China are now on: http://www.italianminerals.com/ASIA/china-garnet.html There are also several specimens on EBAY ! nice italian and worldwide specimens at 1-3$ starting bid !!! Reach our EBAY auction from the link on our mainpage ! http://www.italianminerals.com A lot of other "stones" can be seen on the many pages of our web site. Some pages might take 3-4 minutes to be uploaded since photos are now with a higher degree of resolution to let you see better the details of our specimens ! Regards, Alessandro - ItalianMinerals.com . ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=itali anminerals ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 4 18:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 4 17:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - web site UPDATE Message-ID: <7f.36acf2a9.2be70c23@aol.com> Hi! In addition to my regular updates, Monday, on May 5, 2003, I will be adding three full galleries featuring specimens from a recent trip to Missouri's Viburnum Trend. I plan to post these over around 9 a.m. central standard time. There are some interesting and unusual specimens in this posting. You will also find a brief text covering the history and geology of the district, along with a few photos. Hope that you enjoy the new section! Web address is listed below. Dan Weinrich P.O. Box 425 Grover, MO 63040 314-341-1811 http://www.danweinrich.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 07:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Sorrell) Date: Mon May 5 06:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Publication: Zeolites in Tasmania Message-ID: <200305051307.h45D7uH3022736@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all (apologies for any duplicate posts) I have just uploaded a 30-page article on the occurrence of zeolites in Tasmania. It is a comprehensive description of all known zeolite occurrences and includes a locality cross-reference and a map showing all locations where zeolites have been recorded. Wherever possible, photographs have been included. You can find it by following the Location Bulletins link at http://www.crocoite.com It's a pdf file so can be read online, or saved to your own PC and viewed and/or printed there. It's a large file - 1,625kb but contains more than 180 colour images. The article can be freely distributed. Feedback welcomed... Regards Steve From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 07:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Richard@Mineral of the Month Club) Date: Mon May 5 06:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyrite discoids Message-ID: <003901c3130c$fb11f820$8a393442@t5k8i6> Hello All, Can anyone recommend a good wholesale source for polished moonstone = specimens, and/or for the pyrite discoids currently coming out of China? = Thanks in advance! Richard Sittinger WonderWorks/Mineral of the Month Club 1770 Orville Avenue Cambria, CA 93428 805.927.2223 Richard@Mineralofthemonthclub.org www.mineralofthemonthclub.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 07:50:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 5 06:50:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Customs code for minerals specimens for scientific study? Message-ID: <200305051349.h45DnGH3026112@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Don, The complete code per the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (2003) would be: 9705.00.00.90 which stands for: Collections and collectors' pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, anatomical, historical, archeological, paleontological, ethnographic or numismatic interest, Other Johan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 08:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon May 5 07:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting In-Reply-To: <200305051231.h45CVDb30046@unix2.sunserver.com> Message-ID: Hey... a NEW variation on the "Nigerian" scam! This one aimed at rock, mineral, and GEMSTONE folks! Anyone else get this beauty? What is so staggering is that people actually fall for this p'tak! (Of course, I'm sending this to the so list that ONLY I will be able to TAKE ADVANTAGE of this rare opportunity! ) {Just looked it up... wow are we LUCKY... this gal is only one of 20,000 internet users in the Whole Country of Cameroon!} GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Sontago [mailto:linda_sontago@starmedia.com] > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:35 PM > To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com > Subject: Hi/Waiting > > > Hi > > My name is Linda Sontago Ubezonga a mother of 2 children both > age 12 and 17 I am very sorry for contacting you through this > medium but I had to use this method due to the present > predicatment facing my > children and I here in Cameroon and Country in the Western part of > Africa. > I may not be well educated but I am aware that most people do > not like unsolicited mails and there are very skeptical about internet > mails but I beg you to help us and assist us I had to contact you > urgently as we are presently in danger of being killed or my children > taken from me if I do not give in to the wicked plans of business > associates of my husband who was killed about 3 weeks ago in > collarburation of his immediate younger brother who is also working with > this persons. > You and I have never met and I am aware that people sometimes > take advantages of these but I pray that you at least ponder over our > situation and consider helping us out. > You see I and my children must escape soon but my late husband > was killed due to his ownership of a land that he discovered had large > quantity of precious stones (diamonds) worth millions in American > dollars which he had kept somewhere in a safe deposit box and this is > where I need your help. > I will give you all the neccessary information regarding where > we need your help and what is the total value of all he left behind > Feel free to ask any questions in your reply > I and my children await your urgent reply as our future may rely > on your help > Please help us > > Mrs. Sontago Ubezonga > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 08:04:10 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (KATHY FRONK) Date: Mon May 5 07:04:10 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] May 10-11 Gem Show Message-ID: May 10-11 Gem Show is being held in Decatur, Illinois at the Civic Center in downtown Decatur. 17 Dealers. Minerals from Russia, Beads, loose gemstones, and lots more. $3.50 admission for adults, $1.00 for seniors, Kids under 13 free. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 12:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon May 5 11:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c31337$5355b240$b93ef051@maxdata> Yes, I have, already months ago. I got also nearly the same SPAM immediately after our return from South-Africa last year in september. What puzzled me was the timing : I got the "offer" for South-African diamonds and other gemstones a few days after we left the Namibian Ministery of Mining and Energy in Windhoek and the airport of Johannesburg. After all this was a complete coincidence, be it at the edge of any statistics... I suppose that everyone knows by now that ANY reaction to the sender should be avoided : they just try to get as much information on you as possible to attempt to empty your bank account. So it is not harmless, but according to the FBI there are worldwide only very few victims untill now. And remember : the guys are NOT resident in any African country, but in Europe and the US ! Rik *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown *Sent: maandag 5 mei 2003 16:06 *To: Rockhounds *Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting * * *Hey... a NEW variation on the "Nigerian" scam! This one aimed *at rock, mineral, and GEMSTONE folks! Anyone else get this beauty? * *What is so staggering is that people actually fall for this *p'tak! * *(Of course, I'm sending this to the so list that ONLY I will *be able to TAKE ADVANTAGE of this rare opportunity! ) * *{Just looked it up... wow are we LUCKY... this gal is only one *of 20,000 internet users in the Whole Country of Cameroon!} * *GcB * * *> -----Original Message----- *> From: Linda Sontago [mailto:linda_sontago@starmedia.com] *> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:35 PM *> To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com *> Subject: Hi/Waiting *> *> *> Hi *> *> My name is Linda Sontago Ubezonga a mother of 2 children both age 12 *> and 17 I am very sorry for contacting you through this medium but I *> had to use this method due to the present predicatment facing my *> children and I here in Cameroon and Country in the Western part of *> Africa. *> I may not be well educated but I am aware that most people do *> not like unsolicited mails and there are very skeptical *about internet *> mails but I beg you to help us and assist us I had to contact you *> urgently as we are presently in danger of being killed or my children *> taken from me if I do not give in to the wicked plans of business *> associates of my husband who was killed about 3 weeks ago in *> collarburation of his immediate younger brother who is also *working with *> this persons. *> You and I have never met and I am aware that people sometimes *> take advantages of these but I pray that you at least ponder over our *> situation and consider helping us out. *> You see I and my children must escape soon but my late husband *> was killed due to his ownership of a land that he discovered *had large *> quantity of precious stones (diamonds) worth millions in American *> dollars which he had kept somewhere in a safe deposit box and this is *> where I need your help. *> I will give you all the neccessary information regarding where *> we need your help and what is the total value of all he left behind *> Feel free to ask any questions in your reply *> I and my children await your urgent reply as our future may rely *> on your help *> Please help us *> *> Mrs. Sontago Ubezonga *> * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 13:15:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon May 5 12:15:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting In-Reply-To: <000501c31337$5355b240$b93ef051@maxdata> Message-ID: Since when?? They are identified as coming from Nigeria in most cases. Nigeria is about a corrupt a place as you will find and the banking authorities are usually complicit with the scams. Bryan ' > And remember : the guys are NOT resident in any African country, > but in Europe and the US ! > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 14:44:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon May 5 13:44:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c31346$f11db400$aa3788d9@maxdata> Sorry, colleagues, I have to rephrase - my memory seems not to be perfect :>)) *> And remember : the guys are NOT all resident in an(y) African country, but also in Europe and Canada ! I wrote my message from my memory without further verifying, which I now did to make sure. You can read everything about it on http://www.potifos.com/fraud/ http://law.spamcon.org/us-laws/index.shtml A report of the FBI http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/strategy/IFCC_2001_AnnualReport.pdf mentions : Among those individuals who reported a dollar loss, the highest median dollar losses were found among Nigerian Letter Scam ($5,575),... Sorry for the gap (in as far as details are concerned) in my memory... Greetings, Rik *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer *Sent: maandag 5 mei 2003 21:14 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting * * *Since when?? They are identified as coming from Nigeria in *most cases. Nigeria is about a corrupt a place as you will *find and the banking authorities are usually complicit with the scams. * *Bryan * *' *> And remember : the guys are NOT resident in any African country, but *> in Europe and the US ! *> * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 16:53:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon May 5 15:53:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting References: <000501c31337$5355b240$b93ef051@maxdata> Message-ID: <3EB6EB58.1212@Tomaszewski.net> You should mail these 'Nigerian 419' scam messages, with full headers, to 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov. Rik Dillen wrote: > > Yes, I have, already months ago. I got also nearly the same SPAM immediately after our return from South-Africa last year in > september. > What puzzled me was the timing : I got the "offer" for South-African diamonds and other gemstones a few days after we left the > Namibian Ministery of Mining and Energy in Windhoek and the airport of Johannesburg. After all this was a complete coincidence, be > it at the edge of any statistics... > > I suppose that everyone knows by now that ANY reaction to the sender should be avoided : they just try to get as much information on > you as possible to attempt to empty your bank account. So it is not harmless, but according to the FBI there are worldwide only very > few victims untill now. > And remember : the guys are NOT resident in any African country, but in Europe and the US ! > > Rik > > *-----Original Message----- > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown > *Sent: maandag 5 mei 2003 16:06 > *To: Rockhounds > *Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting > * > * > *Hey... a NEW variation on the "Nigerian" scam! This one aimed > *at rock, mineral, and GEMSTONE folks! Anyone else get this beauty? > * > *What is so staggering is that people actually fall for this > *p'tak! > * > *(Of course, I'm sending this to the so list that ONLY I will > *be able to TAKE ADVANTAGE of this rare opportunity! ) > * > *{Just looked it up... wow are we LUCKY... this gal is only one > *of 20,000 internet users in the Whole Country of Cameroon!} > * > *GcB > * > * > *> -----Original Message----- > *> From: Linda Sontago [mailto:linda_sontago@starmedia.com] > *> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:35 PM > *> To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com > *> Subject: Hi/Waiting > *> > *> > *> Hi > *> > *> My name is Linda Sontago Ubezonga a mother of 2 children both age 12 > *> and 17 I am very sorry for contacting you through this medium but I > *> had to use this method due to the present predicatment facing my > *> children and I here in Cameroon and Country in the Western part of > *> Africa. > *> I may not be well educated but I am aware that most people do > *> not like unsolicited mails and there are very skeptical > *about internet > *> mails but I beg you to help us and assist us I had to contact you > *> urgently as we are presently in danger of being killed or my children > *> taken from me if I do not give in to the wicked plans of business > *> associates of my husband who was killed about 3 weeks ago in > *> collarburation of his immediate younger brother who is also > *working with > *> this persons. > *> You and I have never met and I am aware that people sometimes > *> take advantages of these but I pray that you at least ponder over our > *> situation and consider helping us out. > *> You see I and my children must escape soon but my late husband > *> was killed due to his ownership of a land that he discovered > *had large > *> quantity of precious stones (diamonds) worth millions in American > *> dollars which he had kept somewhere in a safe deposit box and this is > *> where I need your help. > *> I will give you all the neccessary information regarding where > *> we need your help and what is the total value of all he left behind > *> Feel free to ask any questions in your reply > *> I and my children await your urgent reply as our future may rely > *> on your help > *> Please help us > *> > *> Mrs. Sontago Ubezonga > *> > * > *_______________________________________________ > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > *Subscription Services: > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > * > * > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 17:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon May 5 16:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting References: Message-ID: <3EB6EE4A.38D@Tomaszewski.net> J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Since when?? They are identified as coming from Nigeria in most cases. > Nigeria is about a corrupt a place as you will find and the banking > authorities are usually complicit with the scams. > > Bryan > > ' > > And remember : the guys are NOT resident in any African country, > > but in Europe and the US ! > > About 80% of the messages originate in the Netherlands even though most of them talk about Nigeria. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 18:40:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon May 5 17:40:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting In-Reply-To: <3EB6EE4A.38D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Well according to that FBI report, Nigeria is listed as the number one foreign source of scams and Netherlands isn't even on the list. I thought they were more interested in other internet pursuits in that country. Bryan > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > Since when?? They are identified as coming from Nigeria in most cases. > > Nigeria is about a corrupt a place as you will find and the banking > > authorities are usually complicit with the scams. > > > > Bryan > > > > ' > > > And remember : the guys are NOT resident in any African country, > > > but in Europe and the US ! > > > > > About 80% of the messages originate in the Netherlands even though most > of them talk about Nigeria. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 19:06:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Mon May 5 18:06:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting References: <000501c31337$5355b240$b93ef051@maxdata> Message-ID: <005001c3136b$1d55da60$a1b2950c@mel> These Scams can be forwarded to the Federal Trade Commission at UCE@FTC.GOV Copy the header info and paste it on the front of the e-mail. Insert in the start of the subject line info such as "FOREIGN MONEY SCAM" AND SOME SPACES. On Outlook Express, the header is found by clicking file, then properties, then details. You can copy by highlighting, put the pointer in the highlighted area, right click and click copy. Then paste it into the forward copy. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 5 20:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rocks4u) Date: Mon May 5 19:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting References: <000501c31337$5355b240$b93ef051@maxdata> <005001c3136b$1d55da60$a1b2950c@mel> Message-ID: <004601c31377$085c5290$5eaf3a41@s4b5j4> I just sent my first one off to the address listed below, however, I used small letters instead of caps. I hope that works.??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Albright" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Hi/Waiting > These Scams can be forwarded to the Federal Trade Commission > at > UCE@FTC.GOV > > Copy the header info and paste it on the front of the e-mail. Insert in the > start of the subject line info such as "FOREIGN MONEY SCAM" AND SOME > SPACES. > > On Outlook Express, the header is found by clicking file, then properties, > then details. You can copy by highlighting, put the pointer in the > highlighted area, right click and click copy. Then paste it into the forward > copy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 6 08:07:16 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Todd Hamrick) Date: Tue May 6 07:07:16 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Appropriate as Spam Wars Message-ID: <5867301.1052230018225.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> I know, I know, off topic.We have spent two days arguing about where to send spam, so I figured this was as appropriate.If not,flame me.Doesn't matter.Just hope to get a message through. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 6 12:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Tue May 6 11:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - web site UPDATE Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030506202642.007c3c20@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, There are several specimens on EBAY ! nice italian and worldwide specimens at 1-3$ starting bid !!! Reach our EBAY auction from the link on our mainpage ! http://www.italianminerals.com A lot of other "stones" can be seen on the many pages of our web site. Some pages might take 3-4 minutes to be uploaded since photos are now with a higher degree of resolution to let you see better the details of our specimens ! Regards, Alessandro - ItalianMinerals.com . ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=itali anminerals ===================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 6 21:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Tue May 6 20:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt's Tribute Page Message-ID: <3EB87B38.6010103@cox.net> To All of Walt's online friends who had not yet met him, here is a page of interest, personal words can be added here. Many of you have asked where to send a Tribute donation, there soon may be a Trust Fund set up for Walt's wife Marta and young son Pepe, his family is considering just how to arrange that. More information will be forthcoming. Here is the URL Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 7 11:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Wed May 7 10:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sharktooth Hill & Paleo Workshop Message-ID: Because Sharktooth Hill is closed to the public, the only way to gain access to the hill is to become a Buena Vista Museum volunteer. Dedicated museum volunteers our invited to attend our Paleontologic Field Techniques course, held at Sharktooth Hill. To qualify, we require that you attend our Paleo Workshop, and donate at least 25 hours quarterly as a museum volunteer. Our next Paleo Workshop is schedule for 5/24, 9 AM - 3:30 PM, in the BVMNH Classroom at 2018 Chester Ave., Bakersfield, CA 93301. The cost is $25 per person. Please contact us if you are interested, or need more information. Sherry Pauley Chairman of Docents/Web Master webmaster@sharktoothhill.com www.sharktoothhill.com Museum-661-324-6350 Cell-661-330-9826 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 7 13:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed May 7 12:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Graves Mountain Swap References: <7287408.1051810743346.JavaMail.nobody@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3EB95E27.44AB@rcn.com> THIS WAS SCENT TWO T rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com rockhound site THIS PLACE WOULD MAKE A NICE FIELD TRIP. I CANNOT AT THE MOMENT REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE AUGUSTA, GA MINERAL CLUB. I HAD THE CHANCE TO HAVE HIM ESCORT ME ON A FIELD TRIP TO GRAVES MOUNTAIN-- BUT I CHOSE ANOTHER AREA TO 'LOOK' AS THE WEATHER WAS UNUSUALLY HOT!!! I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE IN GA - BUT FOLLOWED - ON A BUSINESS TRIP AND PUTTERED QUITE A FEW MILES ON THE CAR WHILE HUSBAND WORKED!! DID FIND 'ROCKS' AND INDIAN ARTIFACTS - SPEAR POINTS. gmo __..--..__ Todd Hamrick wrote: > > The annual Graves Mountain swap will be held this weekend,May2,3,and 4 on the mountain.It is located in Lincoln County,Georgia near the South Carolina/Georgia border.If you need more spacific directions,email me at rutile1@shelby.net.Hope to see you there. > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 7 13:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed May 7 12:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] OOPS References: <7287408.1051810743346.JavaMail.nobody@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <3EB95E27.44AB@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3EB95EB6.1B15@rcn.com> OOPS forgot to change mail to address BEFORE I re-emailed. GMO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 7 15:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed May 7 14:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] MasMils/PLUS and DeLorme Message-ID: BlankA bit of a correction to my earlier note... That handy-dandy import-an-sql thingie I mentioned? I hadn't noticed, but that is available ONLY with the Street Atlas USA 2003 PLUS (emphasis on the "plus"). I'd forgotten that THAT was the version I was running and not the "standard" SA2003. Sorry 'bout that. The "regular" import of my MasMils/PLUS text files is in ALL versions through the draw/file/import functions, though! If you can, I'd spring for the "PLUS" ...there is a lot of cool stuff in there such as census data which isn't in the vanilla version. In Any Case... I'm having fun re-visiting a bunch of old hikes I made using TopoUSA. You can trace a trail in the software and then pull a "profile" that shows the rise/fall of the trail. Pretty handy when you're hauling a tonne of rocks out on your back. Later... Gary Brown Catspaw-Minerals - Home of MasMils/PLUS www.catspaw-minerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 8 14:20:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Thu May 8 13:20:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] While Awaiting My Crown Message-ID: <025d01c3159f$66e4f450$058dbbcd@rockman> While Awaiting My Crown 5/8/2003 So there I was, waiting patiently for my Dentist, Dr. Elmer, to come in = to begin grinding away for the new crown I was to receive. As I waited, = my mind began to wander (in an attempt to think of anything other then = my present situation!). As I often do while here, I begin to think of = Basil Mumford. And the smile creeps across my face and I absently shake = my head from side to side while softly chuckling, yup, ol' Basil. Basil was quite a man, I must admit to really not knowing much of him or = his life, but the guy could sure make a lasting first impression! I met = Basil for the first and last time back in the early - mid 1990's. He = lived with his wife on an old farm about an hour's drive east of us. = Basil was an innovative, creative thinker who was also just a wee bit = eccentric. He loved to tinker and could do just about anything. And, = Basil was a lapidary. With his passion, Basil created many exotic, interesting and lovely = things, but of them for me, one particular creation stands out = spectacularly from among the rest; Basil decided to create a pair = dentures. As you can likely imagine, these were special dentures, they = were lapidarists dentures! The work creating these special masterpieces = was actually initiated and completed while Basil lived in Oregon. An = unknown assistant created the actual denture plates while Basil worked = the special stones which were to be set therein. This had been done at a = time previous to our meeting. Basil chose white jade for the front = teeth, the incisors, and for the side teeth, the cuspids, and then = finished up with green jade for the back teeth, or the molars. Each = tooth was cut and shaped individually by Basil for his unique creation = and his attention to detail didn't stop there, Basil also set polished = stones into the denture plate in the cervical area of the plate which is = covered by the relaxed upper and lower lips. These stones were a = brightly colored, garish combination of bright green, red and orange = agates. Fortification patterns and irregular coloration concentrations = were chosen for these stones which would draw rather then subdue = curiosity and it's with this in mind that I'm sure ol' Basil choose = these particular stones for his plates. Ya see, Basil was a happy = smiling jokester who loved sharing his newly created treasures and he = was the first to smile broadly, proudly sharing his flare for facial = fixtures! This became a special sharing item for Basil over the years until one = dreadful day when the discovery was made that Basil had lost his lower = denture plate. Basil then brought his unfortunate plight to the = attention of the good Dr. Elmer. Doc took Basil's project on and soon = contacted another sympathetic specialist, John Lancaster, an = accomplished Prosthetic Laboratory Technician, to help create a new = lower denture plate for Basil. John also stepped up to the plate = (chuckle, sorry) accepting the challenge and worked intimately with = Basil creating this new artistry. This was a slow process, creating the = plate for John and cutting the teeth for Basil. Basil again choose white = jade for the incisors and then varied his original theme with the = addition of carnelian agate for each of the two eye teeth, or the = cuspids, he then finished up with green jade again for the hindmost = teeth. This eclectically matched quite nicely the original upper plate = which Basil still possessed. But Basil wasn't finished yet, he still had = another idea! Basil decided he'd like to really catch the attention of folks and came = up with the idea to mount a miniature light between the two upper = central incisors. This minute light fit securely into a small hole Basil = drilled between these two front teeth for this purpose. With the hole = drilled and the bulb secure, Basil then inserted the rest of the = mechanism into his mouth for mounting onto the top surface of his upper = denture plate. Basil could then click his tongue to cause the light to = turn on and off, winking at a person while he smiled. Oh, the double = takes were hilarious as folks guffawed in amazed reaction. He'd smile = seeing this and then smile all the broader while satisfied, happy little = twinkles merrily danced in his eyes. What a guy, and boy, oh boy, what a = special pair of dentures! After my initial visit with Basil, the years quickly flew by until all = too soon I learned that Basil had passed away. John talked to his widow = just afterwards and discovered that it was her intention to donate = Basil's dentures to a museum somewhere in Oregon. However, almost = immediately following this conversation, the widow also passed away. = This happened so quickly after Basil's death that the question begs, = were these unique lapidary treasures ever donated or were they lost = forever? Alas, this is the mystery of this story and sadly, I am unable = to add conclusion to this conundrum.=20 =20 And so now, here in the bright lights with the swirling dust of an = entirely different sort of drill rising about me, I think these thoughts = and decided to share them with you my friends. Have a great day everyone = and take care of your smile! All the very best, John Cornish PS As an aside, did you know the mineral making your teeth can also be = found within many of your mineral specimen collections? Believe it or = not, teeth are essentially apatite, or more accurately, Hydroxylapatite. = See ya! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 8 14:45:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu May 8 13:45:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] While Awaiting My Crown In-Reply-To: <025d01c3159f$66e4f450$058dbbcd@rockman> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508105814.0231d6b0@mail.aloha.net> Oh, John, what a wonderful story!!! And very well told. Thanks for sharing! Aloha, Kitty At 10:21 AM 5/8/2003, you wrote: >While Awaiting My Crown 5/8/2003 > > >So there I was, waiting patiently for my Dentist, Dr. Elmer, to come in to >begin grinding away for the new crown I was to receive. As I waited, my >mind began to wander (in an attempt to think of anything other then my >present situation!). As I often do while here, I begin to think of Basil >Mumford. And the smile creeps across my face and I absently shake my head >from side to side while softly chuckling, yup, ol' Basil. > >Basil was quite a man, I must admit to really not knowing much of him or >his life, but the guy could sure make a lasting first impression! I met >Basil for the first and last time back in the early - mid 1990's. He lived >with his wife on an old farm about an hour's drive east of us. Basil was >an innovative, creative thinker who was also just a wee bit eccentric. He >loved to tinker and could do just about anything. And, Basil was a lapidary. > >With his passion, Basil created many exotic, interesting and lovely >things, but of them for me, one particular creation stands out >spectacularly from among the rest; Basil decided to create a pair >dentures. As you can likely imagine, these were special dentures, they >were lapidarists dentures! The work creating these special masterpieces >was actually initiated and completed while Basil lived in Oregon. An >unknown assistant created the actual denture plates while Basil worked the >special stones which were to be set therein. This had been done at a time >previous to our meeting. Basil chose white jade for the front teeth, the >incisors, and for the side teeth, the cuspids, and then finished up with >green jade for the back teeth, or the molars. Each tooth was cut and >shaped individually by Basil for his unique creation and his attention to >detail didn't stop there, Basil also set polished stones into the denture >plate in the cervical area of the plate which is covered by the relaxed >upper and lower lips. These stones were a brightly colored, garish >combination of bright green, red and orange agates. Fortification patterns >and irregular coloration concentrations were chosen for these stones which >would draw rather then subdue curiosity and it's with this in mind that >I'm sure ol' Basil choose these particular stones for his plates. Ya see, >Basil was a happy smiling jokester who loved sharing his newly created >treasures and he was the first to smile broadly, proudly sharing his flare >for facial fixtures! > >This became a special sharing item for Basil over the years until one >dreadful day when the discovery was made that Basil had lost his lower >denture plate. Basil then brought his unfortunate plight to the attention >of the good Dr. Elmer. Doc took Basil's project on and soon contacted >another sympathetic specialist, John Lancaster, an accomplished Prosthetic >Laboratory Technician, to help create a new lower denture plate for Basil. >John also stepped up to the plate (chuckle, sorry) accepting the challenge >and worked intimately with Basil creating this new artistry. This was a >slow process, creating the plate for John and cutting the teeth for Basil. >Basil again choose white jade for the incisors and then varied his >original theme with the addition of carnelian agate for each of the two >eye teeth, or the cuspids, he then finished up with green jade again for >the hindmost teeth. This eclectically matched quite nicely the original >upper plate which Basil still possessed. But Basil wasn't finished yet, he >still had another idea! > >Basil decided he'd like to really catch the attention of folks and came up >with the idea to mount a miniature light between the two upper central >incisors. This minute light fit securely into a small hole Basil drilled >between these two front teeth for this purpose. With the hole drilled and >the bulb secure, Basil then inserted the rest of the mechanism into his >mouth for mounting onto the top surface of his upper denture plate. Basil >could then click his tongue to cause the light to turn on and off, winking >at a person while he smiled. Oh, the double takes were hilarious as folks >guffawed in amazed reaction. He'd smile seeing this and then smile all the >broader while satisfied, happy little twinkles merrily danced in his eyes. >What a guy, and boy, oh boy, what a special pair of dentures! > >After my initial visit with Basil, the years quickly flew by until all too >soon I learned that Basil had passed away. John talked to his widow just >afterwards and discovered that it was her intention to donate Basil's >dentures to a museum somewhere in Oregon. However, almost immediately >following this conversation, the widow also passed away. This happened so >quickly after Basil's death that the question begs, were these unique >lapidary treasures ever donated or were they lost forever? Alas, this is >the mystery of this story and sadly, I am unable to add conclusion to this >conundrum. > >And so now, here in the bright lights with the swirling dust of an >entirely different sort of drill rising about me, I think these thoughts >and decided to share them with you my friends. Have a great day everyone >and take care of your smile! All the very best, > > >John Cornish > > >PS As an aside, did you know the mineral making your teeth can also be >found within many of your mineral specimen collections? Believe it or not, >teeth are essentially apatite, or more accurately, Hydroxylapatite. See ya! > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 8 18:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Thu May 8 17:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta, GA show this weekend Message-ID: <5807041.1052354651930.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Georgia Mineral Society's 35th Annual Gem, Mineral, Jewelry, and Fossil Show this weekend in Atlanta. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! I will have several new items from the Tucson shows including a few nice brazilianites from Telirio Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst (Melody's "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several interesting quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. Also, I have some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big Indian Mine, La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look! Dates: Friday, Saturday and Sunday, May 9-11, 2003 Hours: Friday - 10:00 am - 7:00 pm Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 12:00 noon - 5:00 pm Location: The Cobb County Civic Center 548 So. Marietta Parkway and Fairground St., Marietta, GA More information and directions can be found at: http://www.gamineral.org/may-show.htm Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my addiction with other dealers! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 8 18:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu May 8 17:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508150151.0307b760@mail.aloha.net> Hi folks, Anybody know how to remove tack from a specimen? I've usually been able to get mineral tack (or poster tack or "funtack") off simply by pressing a large lump of tack onto the bit that's stuck on the piece and then pull it off again, sometimes dabbing on and off quickly several times. This is from a piece we got in Australia last summer, so maybe it's a different kind of stickum, but it won't come out of crevices by the push-pull method. Is that stuff easily removed with some benign solvent? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 8 21:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu May 8 20:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508150151.0307b760@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3EBB1ED0.1BEB@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty, I had that problem once. Fortunately, the specimen was a silicate and could stand some abuse. I soaked it for a week in soapy water (real soap, not detergent), and then used a trimmed old toothbrush (all but the end bristles trimmed off with a wire cutter) to dig the tack out of the cracks (and I still broke a few small crystals). It took a couple days soaking in plain water to clean out the soap afterwards. I later found out that the collector was using "non-drying" window glazing putty for tack. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Anybody know how to remove tack from a specimen? I've usually been able to > get mineral tack (or poster tack or "funtack") off simply by pressing a > large lump of tack onto the bit that's stuck on the piece and then pull it > off again, sometimes dabbing on and off quickly several times. This is > from a piece we got in Australia last summer, so maybe it's a different > kind of stickum, but it won't come out of crevices by the push-pull > method. Is that stuff easily removed with some benign solvent? > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 05:11:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri May 9 04:11:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Justice Malanot (sp?) whatever happened References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508105814.0231d6b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3EBB8D9E.1040007@ptd.net> There was a gentleman who some time ago posted some of his adventures from africa and believe his name was Justice Malanot. Does anyone know what may have become of him. Some of his reportings were "surprising" to me, and of course straight from the hip. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 05:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Fri May 9 04:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack In-Reply-To: <3EBB1ED0.1BEB@Tomaszewski.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508150151.0307b760@mail.aloha.net> <3EBB1ED0.1BEB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: This is a common problem and one that is better handled using mechanical means than trying solvents. The push-pull method works well for new mineral tack that has been used on a nearly flat surface, but as it ages even this material can also be difficult to remove. Any mounting material can be difficult to remove completely if it has been used on a surface with fissures, crevices and pits. In my experience, if it doesn't come off after a couple tries with pressing the main mass of tack against the remnants, then you should physically scrape off much of the remainder adhering to the specimen before trying to press the main mass of tack against the the now smaller remnants. Also, pinch off some from the main mass to create a fresh surface, then use that fresh surface to press against the remnants. A fresh surface on the two parts of the tack will usually adhere better and provide a better bond, because after a couple pressings with the tack the surfaces tend to coat with dirt and be less sticky. Also, be sure to use exactly the same type and color of mounting tack as on the specimen to attempt the lifting off process. I keep a few lumps of different types around to handle the job of removal. To get the tack completely off, you will need to examine the surface with a binocular microscope to see where the tack has lodged in crevices and pits. With this visibility, you can see the blobs and then use a craft knife (such as Exacto) with a sharp point to dig out most of the remnants. With a fresher surface and smaller amount, much or all of the remainder can be lifted out. Repeat the process until the surface is clean. If this does not clean the surface enough, you have no option except to physically scrape it off. The amount of time and care you put into this step will determine how successful the job is. It is true that some materials will crumble rather than adhere, and they can only be cleaned by scraping. This is especially true of older mounting materials. Also, on a fine grained porous surface oils will often leach into the specimen and the only way to clean that is to physically scrape off some of the rock. Since most of these are physically weak materials, trimming with the Exacto knife can work well. Crumbly mounting material is a pain, but the most annoying material I have encountered is specimens mounted with hot glue. Large single crystals will usually pop loose OK, but I nearly lost a nice crystal cluster trying to free it from a hot glue mount. T. Yancey > > Anybody know how to remove tack from a specimen? I've usually been able to >> get mineral tack (or poster tack or "funtack") off simply by pressing a >> large lump of tack onto the bit that's stuck on the piece and then pull it >> off again, sometimes dabbing on and off quickly several times. This is >> from a piece we got in Australia last summer, so maybe it's a different >> kind of stickum, but it won't come out of crevices by the push-pull >> method. Is that stuff easily removed with some benign solvent? >> > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 06:21:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Fri May 9 05:21:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Discovery Channel Gemstone Series Message-ID: Hi Folks, Some of you may recall my postings some two years ago now asking for information and pointers to gem resources and gem people in what was then the research phase of a seven part television series on precious stone for the Candian Discovery Channel. To recap a little, it is more than five years ago now since I first originated and wrote up the concept. After undergoing the whole catalogue of vicissitudes - submission, rejection with compliments, modification, re-submission, conditional acceptance in pilot form, funding difficulties, more re-submission - the outcome at the end of the rainbow is a seven part series, shortly to be broadcast. If you have access to the Canadian Discovery Channel, here are the intended broadcast times: Thursday, June 5, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Topaz of Brazil" Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Green Fever: The Colombian Emerald" Thursday, July 3, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Synthesizing the Stone" Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Treasure of the Outback" Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 9:00pm: "The Gem of Life" Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Birth of a Gem" The series will air on Thursday nights at 9:00pm and will be re-broadcast the following Fridays at 1:00am, 10:00am and 4:00pm and on the following Mondays at 1:00pm. These are the latest dates given to the producer by Discovery Channel and are subject to change without notice. One episode, dealing with the rubies and sapphires of Sri Lanka, was broadcast already earlier in the winter. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 08:58:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Fri May 9 07:58:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Discovery Channel Gemstone Series References: Message-ID: <3EBBC1DE.8040104@earthlink.net> H.Durstling wrote: >To recap a little, it is more than five years ago now since I first >originated and wrote up the concept. After undergoing the whole catalogue >of vicissitudes - submission, rejection with compliments, modification, >re-submission, conditional acceptance in pilot form, funding difficulties, >more re-submission - the outcome at the end of the rainbow is a seven part >series, shortly to be broadcast. > Congratulations! Is this a "named" series or part of an ongoing series? I do NOT have access to Discovery Canada, but many of the shows on Discovery are available for sale after the initial screenings. I would love to see (purchase) them. Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 09:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Fri May 9 08:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kamchatkan fumaroles References: <002001c30f47$98cd6c80$c7ee79c3@o8o3s6> Message-ID: <3EBA7622.A2B7521C@gmx.de> Hello, in Lapis 1/2000 there was a paper by Vergasova, L.P. et al., Neue Mineralien aus der Kamchatka. Fumarolenmineralien vom Vulkan Tolbachik, Rußland, 1996-1999: Vorkommen, Paragenese und Hinweise zur Aufbewahrung. It might help and give you some more references. Regards, Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Maurice de Graaf schrieb: > Hello all, > > With a little luck I will be rockhounding on some of the volcanoes of > Kamchatka next month. For this trip I'm mostly interested in fumarole > minerals. Most systematic collectors will know the rare ones from the scoria > cones south of Tolbachik volcano. But there are about 30 more active > volcanoes there of which I can find very little information with respect to > fumarole minerals found there. > > Has anybody reliable data about fumarol minerals from the Avacha, Koryak, > Uzon, Mutnovsky, Gorely, Zhupanovsky, Karymsky, Kiziman, Bezymyanni, > Klyuchevskoy or any other Kamchatkan volcanoes?? > > Any information about the mechanisms of formation of these minerals in > general is also very welcome! > > Thanks, > > Maurice > > _______ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 10:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri May 9 09:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Discovery Channel Gemstone Series In-Reply-To: <3EBBC1DE.8040104@earthlink.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030509070717.0260b660@mail.aloha.net> >Congratulations! > >Is this a "named" series or part of an ongoing series? I do NOT have >access to Discovery Canada, but many of the shows on Discovery are >available for sale after the initial screenings. I would love to see >(purchase) them. > >Peace, >dave Me too. Congratulations, and I'd like to buy them. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 12:26:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Fri May 9 11:26:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c31658$3dc43db0$b462c950@maxdata> All the difficulties with removing tack lead me years ago to something like a ban on using it at all. I only still use it for micromounts or e.g. radio-active minerals that should be mounted in a box. So perhaps the best advice : just try to avoid the use of it. Remnants of it are a disaster if you want to use some small pieces from the backside of a specimen e.g. for further electron microscopy study or so. Just my 2 cts... Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show ATTENTION ! NEW LOCATION ! "Stuurboord - hangar 26-27", Rijnkaai 96, B-2000 Antwerpen 10 ' north of "Het Steen", Schelde - see http://www.stuurboord.com/gif/map.gif Large parking lot ! http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Yancey *Sent: vrijdag 9 mei 2003 13:50 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] removing tack * * *This is a common problem and one that is better handled using *mechanical means than trying solvents. The push-pull method works *well for new mineral tack that has been used on a nearly flat *surface, but as it ages even this material can also be difficult to *remove. Any mounting material can be difficult to remove completely *if it has been used on a surface with fissures, crevices and pits. * *In my experience, if it doesn't come off after a couple tries with *pressing the main mass of tack against the remnants, then you should *physically scrape off much of the remainder adhering to the specimen *before trying to press the main mass of tack against the the now *smaller remnants. Also, pinch off some from the main mass to create a *fresh surface, then use that fresh surface to press against the *remnants. A fresh surface on the two parts of the tack will usually *adhere better and provide a better bond, because after a couple *pressings with the tack the surfaces tend to coat with dirt and be *less sticky. Also, be sure to use exactly the same type and color of *mounting tack as on the specimen to attempt the lifting off process. *I keep a few lumps of different types around to handle the job of *removal. * *To get the tack completely off, you will need to examine the surface *with a binocular microscope to see where the tack has lodged in *crevices and pits. With this visibility, you can see the blobs and *then use a craft knife (such as Exacto) with a sharp point to dig out *most of the remnants. With a fresher surface and smaller amount, much *or all of the remainder can be lifted out. Repeat the process until *the surface is clean. If this does not clean the surface enough, you *have no option except to physically scrape it off. The amount of *time and care you put into this step will determine how successful *the job is. * *It is true that some materials will crumble rather than adhere, and *they can only be cleaned by scraping. This is especially true of *older mounting materials. Also, on a fine grained porous surface oils *will often leach into the specimen and the only way to clean that is *to physically scrape off some of the rock. Since most of these are *physically weak materials, trimming with the Exacto knife can work *well. * *Crumbly mounting material is a pain, but the most annoying material I *have encountered is specimens mounted with hot glue. Large single *crystals will usually pop loose OK, but I nearly lost a nice crystal *cluster trying to free it from a hot glue mount. * *T. Yancey * *> > Anybody know how to remove tack from a specimen? I've *usually been *> able to *>> get mineral tack (or poster tack or "funtack") off simply by *>> pressing a large lump of tack onto the bit that's stuck on *the piece *>> and then pull it off again, sometimes dabbing on and off quickly *>> several times. This is from a piece we got in Australia last *>> summer, so maybe it's a different kind of stickum, but it *won't come *>> out of crevices by the push-pull method. Is that stuff easily *>> removed with some benign solvent? *>> *> > Aloha, Kitty *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 14:30:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri May 9 13:30:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack References: <000b01c31658$3dc43db0$b462c950@maxdata> Message-ID: <003a01c31669$bf135c00$449e77d5@pandora.be> Hi Kitty A smart way to remove tack (I call it smart by definition because I thought of it... there's no guarantee it will actually work; gringrin)... Moist the remaining tack with colorless and preferably odorless petroleum. Petroleum is what keeps the tack soft (just like "plasticine"). Tack becomes hard when petroleum evaporates so just maybe the process is reversible. I wouldnt go soaking the minerals in petroleum because that may cause a lasting greasy stain that may need some lighter fluid or gasoline to remove... Maybe with a painting brush? Also: watch out with porous specimens.. How's the Island? Still smoking and hissin' and spewing fire? Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen MINERANT 2003 - Mineralen en fossielen beurs Dit jaar NIEUWE LOCATIE! "Stuurboord - hangar 26-27", Rijnkaai 96, Antwerpen. Grote parking ! Waar: Scheldekaaien naast de ATV-studio's ter hoogte vd Londonstraat. Route: http://www.stuurboord.com/gif/map.gif http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] removing tack All the difficulties with removing tack lead me years ago to something like a ban on using it at all. I only still use it for micromounts or e.g. radio-active minerals that should be mounted in a box. So perhaps the best advice : just try to avoid the use of it. Remnants of it are a disaster if you want to use some small pieces from the backside of a specimen e.g. for further electron microscopy study or so. Just my 2 cts... Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! MINERANT 2003 - Minerals and fossils show ATTENTION ! NEW LOCATION ! "Stuurboord - hangar 26-27", Rijnkaai 96, B-2000 Antwerpen 10 ' north of "Het Steen", Schelde - see http://www.stuurboord.com/gif/map.gif Large parking lot ! http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Yancey *Sent: vrijdag 9 mei 2003 13:50 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] removing tack * * *This is a common problem and one that is better handled using *mechanical means than trying solvents. The push-pull method works *well for new mineral tack that has been used on a nearly flat *surface, but as it ages even this material can also be difficult to *remove. Any mounting material can be difficult to remove completely *if it has been used on a surface with fissures, crevices and pits. * *In my experience, if it doesn't come off after a couple tries with *pressing the main mass of tack against the remnants, then you should *physically scrape off much of the remainder adhering to the specimen *before trying to press the main mass of tack against the the now *smaller remnants. Also, pinch off some from the main mass to create a *fresh surface, then use that fresh surface to press against the *remnants. A fresh surface on the two parts of the tack will usually *adhere better and provide a better bond, because after a couple *pressings with the tack the surfaces tend to coat with dirt and be *less sticky. Also, be sure to use exactly the same type and color of *mounting tack as on the specimen to attempt the lifting off process. *I keep a few lumps of different types around to handle the job of *removal. * *To get the tack completely off, you will need to examine the surface *with a binocular microscope to see where the tack has lodged in *crevices and pits. With this visibility, you can see the blobs and *then use a craft knife (such as Exacto) with a sharp point to dig out *most of the remnants. With a fresher surface and smaller amount, much *or all of the remainder can be lifted out. Repeat the process until *the surface is clean. If this does not clean the surface enough, you *have no option except to physically scrape it off. The amount of *time and care you put into this step will determine how successful *the job is. * *It is true that some materials will crumble rather than adhere, and *they can only be cleaned by scraping. This is especially true of *older mounting materials. Also, on a fine grained porous surface oils *will often leach into the specimen and the only way to clean that is *to physically scrape off some of the rock. Since most of these are *physically weak materials, trimming with the Exacto knife can work *well. * *Crumbly mounting material is a pain, but the most annoying material I *have encountered is specimens mounted with hot glue. Large single *crystals will usually pop loose OK, but I nearly lost a nice crystal *cluster trying to free it from a hot glue mount. * *T. Yancey * *> > Anybody know how to remove tack from a specimen? I've *usually been *> able to *>> get mineral tack (or poster tack or "funtack") off simply by *>> pressing a large lump of tack onto the bit that's stuck on *the piece *>> and then pull it off again, sometimes dabbing on and off quickly *>> several times. This is from a piece we got in Australia last *>> summer, so maybe it's a different kind of stickum, but it *won't come *>> out of crevices by the push-pull method. Is that stuff easily *>> removed with some benign solvent? *>> *> > Aloha, Kitty *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 16:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri May 9 15:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack In-Reply-To: <003a01c31669$bf135c00$449e77d5@pandora.be> References: <000b01c31658$3dc43db0$b462c950@maxdata> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030509120907.0293b060@mail.aloha.net> At 10:29 AM 5/9/2003, you wrote: >Hi Kitty > >A smart way to remove tack (I call it smart by definition because I thought >of it... there's no guarantee it will actually work; gringrin)... There's our "Shrinking Violet" Axel! >Moist the remaining tack with colorless and preferably odorless petroleum. >Petroleum is what keeps the tack soft (just like "plasticine"). Tack becomes >hard when petroleum evaporates so just maybe the process is reversible. >I wouldnt go soaking the minerals in petroleum because that may cause a >lasting greasy stain that may need some lighter fluid or gasoline to >remove... Maybe with a painting brush? Also: watch out with porous >specimens.. OK, that worked. I put on a little light oil (sewing machine oil), brushed it with a toothbrush, washed and dried it, and then got the last bits off with a repeat of the tack-wad press-pull method. Thanks to everyone who contributed! >How's the Island? Still smoking and hissin' and spewing fire? Yep. Not going in the ocean at the moment, but spreading out and pouring here and there. I may go back down there soon and see if I can find any more of those as-yet-unidentified "splats." Our sympathies to those of you suffering storms, tornadoes, and other bad weather. Right now here it is 76 degrees F, (24 C), sunny, a light breeze, and I can see steam rising from Pu'u O'o volcano from our lanai. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 9 17:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 9 16:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian Discovery Channel Gemstone Series Message-ID: <20030509231136.NEHV20191.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Hans, Congratulations! I am sad that I do not have access to the series. Any chance video tapes will be available? Sorry I missed you at Carol's. Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 09:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Harris) Date: Sat May 10 08:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member Message-ID: <3EBD1536.00000D.03312@bigbertha> hullo, Have just subscribed to the list in the hope that I can learn a bit more about mineralia more proactively than just by reading books and collecting. I am based in the UK and although I have had a passion for rocks since I was a gamete, I have only been able to start collecting in the past year or two. I have no "favourites" - they all amaze me! I also collect meteorites and for me the terrestrial rocks are the other end of the geological differentiation spectrum and both fascinate me with a passion I find difficult to articulate. Below is a link to a bunch of JPGs of my collection if anyone is interested in taking a look at what I got and also maybe to comment/criticise or whatever! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/images/ I always appreciate feedback and I look forward to a long and fruitful time on this list! Look forward to meeting you all. very best, of course, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 10:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Sat May 10 09:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] While Awaiting My Crown References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508105814.0231d6b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <03a101c3170d$749e9730$058dbbcd@rockman> Hi Kitty, Thank you so much for the kind words, they are very much appreciated. All the best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] While Awaiting My Crown > Oh, John, what a wonderful story!!! And very well told. Thanks for sharing! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 10:21 AM 5/8/2003, you wrote: > > >While Awaiting My Crown 5/8/2003 > > > > > >So there I was, waiting patiently for my Dentist, Dr. Elmer, to come in to > >begin grinding away for the new crown I was to receive. As I waited, my > >mind began to wander (in an attempt to think of anything other then my > >present situation!). As I often do while here, I begin to think of Basil > >Mumford. And the smile creeps across my face and I absently shake my head > >from side to side while softly chuckling, yup, ol' Basil. > > > >Basil was quite a man, I must admit to really not knowing much of him or > >his life, but the guy could sure make a lasting first impression! I met > >Basil for the first and last time back in the early - mid 1990's. He lived > >with his wife on an old farm about an hour's drive east of us. Basil was > >an innovative, creative thinker who was also just a wee bit eccentric. He > >loved to tinker and could do just about anything. And, Basil was a lapidary. > > > >With his passion, Basil created many exotic, interesting and lovely > >things, but of them for me, one particular creation stands out > >spectacularly from among the rest; Basil decided to create a pair > >dentures. As you can likely imagine, these were special dentures, they > >were lapidarists dentures! The work creating these special masterpieces > >was actually initiated and completed while Basil lived in Oregon. An > >unknown assistant created the actual denture plates while Basil worked the > >special stones which were to be set therein. This had been done at a time > >previous to our meeting. Basil chose white jade for the front teeth, the > >incisors, and for the side teeth, the cuspids, and then finished up with > >green jade for the back teeth, or the molars. Each tooth was cut and > >shaped individually by Basil for his unique creation and his attention to > >detail didn't stop there, Basil also set polished stones into the denture > >plate in the cervical area of the plate which is covered by the relaxed > >upper and lower lips. These stones were a brightly colored, garish > >combination of bright green, red and orange agates. Fortification patterns > >and irregular coloration concentrations were chosen for these stones which > >would draw rather then subdue curiosity and it's with this in mind that > >I'm sure ol' Basil choose these particular stones for his plates. Ya see, > >Basil was a happy smiling jokester who loved sharing his newly created > >treasures and he was the first to smile broadly, proudly sharing his flare > >for facial fixtures! > > > >This became a special sharing item for Basil over the years until one > >dreadful day when the discovery was made that Basil had lost his lower > >denture plate. Basil then brought his unfortunate plight to the attention > >of the good Dr. Elmer. Doc took Basil's project on and soon contacted > >another sympathetic specialist, John Lancaster, an accomplished Prosthetic > >Laboratory Technician, to help create a new lower denture plate for Basil. > >John also stepped up to the plate (chuckle, sorry) accepting the challenge > >and worked intimately with Basil creating this new artistry. This was a > >slow process, creating the plate for John and cutting the teeth for Basil. > >Basil again choose white jade for the incisors and then varied his > >original theme with the addition of carnelian agate for each of the two > >eye teeth, or the cuspids, he then finished up with green jade again for > >the hindmost teeth. This eclectically matched quite nicely the original > >upper plate which Basil still possessed. But Basil wasn't finished yet, he > >still had another idea! > > > >Basil decided he'd like to really catch the attention of folks and came up > >with the idea to mount a miniature light between the two upper central > >incisors. This minute light fit securely into a small hole Basil drilled > >between these two front teeth for this purpose. With the hole drilled and > >the bulb secure, Basil then inserted the rest of the mechanism into his > >mouth for mounting onto the top surface of his upper denture plate. Basil > >could then click his tongue to cause the light to turn on and off, winking > >at a person while he smiled. Oh, the double takes were hilarious as folks > >guffawed in amazed reaction. He'd smile seeing this and then smile all the > >broader while satisfied, happy little twinkles merrily danced in his eyes. > >What a guy, and boy, oh boy, what a special pair of dentures! > > > >After my initial visit with Basil, the years quickly flew by until all too > >soon I learned that Basil had passed away. John talked to his widow just > >afterwards and discovered that it was her intention to donate Basil's > >dentures to a museum somewhere in Oregon. However, almost immediately > >following this conversation, the widow also passed away. This happened so > >quickly after Basil's death that the question begs, were these unique > >lapidary treasures ever donated or were they lost forever? Alas, this is > >the mystery of this story and sadly, I am unable to add conclusion to this > >conundrum. > > > >And so now, here in the bright lights with the swirling dust of an > >entirely different sort of drill rising about me, I think these thoughts > >and decided to share them with you my friends. Have a great day everyone > >and take care of your smile! All the very best, > > > > > >John Cornish > > > > > >PS As an aside, did you know the mineral making your teeth can also be > >found within many of your mineral specimen collections? Believe it or not, > >teeth are essentially apatite, or more accurately, Hydroxylapatite. See ya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 10:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat May 10 09:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member In-Reply-To: <3EBD1536.00000D.03312@bigbertha> Message-ID: Looks nice! So, where in the UK are you? Regards, Gary Catspaw Minerals - Home of MasMils/PLUS http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dave Harris > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:05 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] new member > > > hullo, > Have just subscribed to the list in the hope that I can learn a bit more > about mineralia more proactively than just by reading books and > collecting..... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 12:24:15 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat May 10 11:24:15 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack References: <000b01c31658$3dc43db0$b462c950@maxdata> <5.1.0.14.0.20030509120907.0293b060@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000901c31721$65acf820$8bab77d5@pandora.be> Hi Kitty >There's our "Shrinking Violet" Axel! Uuuuuhhh? Care to elaborate? I've been called many things but "Shrinking Violet" is new (and beyond me ;-)). The latest is my son comparing me with Jupiter because I tend to smite the disobedient with thunder and lightning (officially, unofficially it is because if I gain ONE more pound I'll be attracting moons). >>Moist the remaining tack with colorless and preferably odorless petroleum. >>OK, that worked. Told you my solution was smart by definition (ROFL... on second thought... ROFLAPAVOT (Rolling On Floor Laughing And Popping A Vein Or Two) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 13:26:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat May 10 12:26:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack In-Reply-To: <000901c31721$65acf820$8bab77d5@pandora.be> References: <000b01c31658$3dc43db0$b462c950@maxdata> <5.1.0.14.0.20030509120907.0293b060@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030510090928.02a42d10@mail.aloha.net> At 08:24 AM 5/10/2003, you wrote: >Hi Kitty > > >There's our "Shrinking Violet" Axel! > >Uuuuuhhh? Care to elaborate? >I've been called many things but "Shrinking Violet" is new (and beyond me >;-)). Let me see...I'll put on my hat as a former teacher of literature and poetry (among other not-very-useful subjects): "Shrinking violet" as an example of figurative language, in which the literal meaning of words is disregarded in order to show or imply a relationship between diverse things. The relationship is usually one of implied resemblance and may emphasize contrast. In this case the image can be considered to include irony---a statement that contradicts the actual attitude of the speaker or a situation that contrasts what is expected with what occurs, and having overtones of mockery. A "Shrinking violet" applied to a person would suggest one who is shy and delicate. Used in an ironic sense it would mock someone who is bold and egotistical. There, did that explanation show sufficient magniloquence? ;-} Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 14:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sat May 10 13:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho Message-ID: <1777E891-8328-11D7-9EB0-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> anyone out there have any info on how to or where to hunt this? google didnt turn up anything but rough for sale. TIA KM From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 15:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat May 10 14:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing tack References: <000b01c31658$3dc43db0$b462c950@maxdata> <5.1.0.14.0.20030509120907.0293b060@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030510090928.02a42d10@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000501c31739$d3b476a0$8bab77d5@pandora.be> I see... still, I'd rather refer to myself as "Ever Expanding Eider Duck" rather than "Shrinking Violet"... But indeed, like the great Indian Chief Shaking Spear said: "what's in a name?" (Just before he said "there's something rotten in the state of South Dakota". Clearly a prophetic reference to Wounded Knee.) Ugh Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen MINERANT 2003 - Mineralen en fossielen beurs Dit jaar NIEUWE LOCATIE! "Stuurboord - hangar 26-27", Rijnkaai 96, Antwerpen. Grote parking ! Waar: Scheldekaaien naast de ATV-studio's ter hoogte vd Londonstraat. Route: http://www.stuurboord.com/gif/map.gif http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] removing tack At 08:24 AM 5/10/2003, you wrote: >Hi Kitty > > >There's our "Shrinking Violet" Axel! > >Uuuuuhhh? Care to elaborate? >I've been called many things but "Shrinking Violet" is new (and beyond me >;-)). Let me see...I'll put on my hat as a former teacher of literature and poetry (among other not-very-useful subjects): "Shrinking violet" as an example of figurative language, in which the literal meaning of words is disregarded in order to show or imply a relationship between diverse things. The relationship is usually one of implied resemblance and may emphasize contrast. In this case the image can be considered to include irony---a statement that contradicts the actual attitude of the speaker or a situation that contrasts what is expected with what occurs, and having overtones of mockery. A "Shrinking violet" applied to a person would suggest one who is shy and delicate. Used in an ironic sense it would mock someone who is bold and egotistical. There, did that explanation show sufficient magniloquence? ;-} Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 10 17:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 10 16:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Justice Malanot (sp?) whatever happened Message-ID: <20030510235555.TTXP3292.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Justice Malanot wrote for Carol Bova's Eclectic Lapidary. I understand Carol means to post it again. I am currently away from my Oceanside home, and cannot read my bookmarks via webmail here in Plano. If there has not been another reply, I will post the URL for Carol Bova after I return home early in the week. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 05:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sun May 11 04:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Ebay Items Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030511135033.006b3c2c@popmail.libero.it> LAst few hours for the Ebay auctions from ItalianMinerals.com !! Goto: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid =italianminerals&sort=2&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 Have fun, ItalianMinerals.com ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 09:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun May 11 08:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <1777E891-8328-11D7-9EB0-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> Message-ID: <0bec01c317d3$9d873cd0$08ca94d1@remains> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Murray" To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > anyone out there have any info on how to or where to hunt this? google > didnt turn up anything but rough for sale. > TIA > KM > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 10:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun May 11 09:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <1777E891-8328-11D7-9EB0-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> <0bec01c317d3$9d873cd0$08ca94d1@remains> Message-ID: <002101c317d7$0624fa40$a401560c@oemcomputer> Hi all, I see that agate mine site (Enemy Mine) isn't near Challis; the operator is from Nampa, ID, but the mine itself is in SE Oregon. I suspect that Lanny Ream, who I believe is a reader of this list, and his books on rockhounding in ID, is probably a best source for information on this. I know generically that several types of agate (in small quantities?) have been found, somewhere in the country west (?) of Challis, but I don't know if there are any collecting sites accessible on public land. Pete Modreski, Denver CO ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Schmidt To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Murray" > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:43 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > > > > anyone out there have any info on how to or where to hunt this? google > > didnt turn up anything but rough for sale. > > TIA > > KM > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 10:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (LAWRENCE L. DEE) Date: Sun May 11 09:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <1777E891-8328-11D7-9EB0-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> <0bec01c317d3$9d873cd0$08ca94d1@remains> <002101c317d7$0624fa40$a401560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000601c317d8$15b58be0$0251bb3f@n7y7z7> Sinkankas states that fine plume has been found in OR and TX - a start anyway. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 11:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun May 11 10:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <0bec01c317d3$9d873cd0$08ca94d1@remains> Message-ID: <413C0922-83D2-11D7-8592-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of graveyard point the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though KM On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 11:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun May 11 10:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <000601c317d8$15b58be0$0251bb3f@n7y7z7> Message-ID: who is sinkankas, and where in TX? do you know? KM On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 09:12 AM, LAWRENCE L. DEE wrote: > Sinkankas states that fine plume has been found in OR and TX - a start > anyway. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 11:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (LAWRENCE L. DEE) Date: Sun May 11 10:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: Message-ID: <000401c317e5$669200e0$ce09bb3f@n7y7z7> I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is or was!!!! He wrote Gemstones of North America and other works. No further info on locations. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 12:01:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 11 11:01:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho Message-ID: <20030511180042.YNVL3292.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Mr. Dee, Believe it! There are people who do ask questions of people as learned as you. We do not need to lose another loved person due to public rebuke. T.A. Masters > > From: "LAWRENCE L. DEE" > Date: 2003/05/11 Sun PM 01:47:31 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > > I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 12:32:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun May 11 11:32:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <413C0922-83D2-11D7-8592-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> References: <0bec01c317d3$9d873cd0$08ca94d1@remains> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030511102942.0157e218@mail.spiritone.com> Actually its west of Graveyard Point within shouting distance of Gene Mueller's (The Rock Shop in Cedar Rapids IA) Regency Rose mine... Regency At 10:01 AM 5/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of graveyard point >the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though >KM >On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > >>http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 12:32:17 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun May 11 11:32:17 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: References: <000601c317d8$15b58be0$0251bb3f@n7y7z7> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030511103051.00b29a70@mail.spiritone.com> Woodward Ranch, Texas, and Carey Ranch, Oregon. At 10:06 AM 5/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >who is sinkankas, and where in TX? do you know? >KM >On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 09:12 AM, LAWRENCE L. DEE wrote: > >>Sinkankas states that fine plume has been found in OR and TX - a start >>anyway. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 12:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun May 11 11:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <000401c317e5$669200e0$ce09bb3f@n7y7z7> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030511084105.0233db30@mail.aloha.net> At 07:47 AM 5/11/2003, you wrote: >I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is or >was!!!! He wrote Gemstones of North America and other works. No further >info on locations. Oh come on, Lawrence Dee, don't be a geological snob. I've been a rockhound for 50 years, and I didn't know who John Sinkakas was until he died a while ago and Sherry Pauley provided the following site of information about him: http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 12:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (mysfit) Date: Sun May 11 11:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <20030511180042.YNVL3292.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.n et> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030511123432.00b23c68@pop.mindspring.com> That was TOTALLY uncalled for. You should be ashamed of yourself for that kind of allegation! I was quiet the first time you posted that but not this time. I was appalled the first time that someone could sink so low in a discussion as to attempt to accuse those with dissenting opinions to have actually been responsible for someone's death! Enough. If not for just plain human decency than how about out of respect. At 02:00 PM 5/11/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Mr. Dee, Believe it! There are people who do ask questions of people as >learned as you. >We do not need to lose another loved person due to public rebuke. >T.A. Masters > > > > From: "LAWRENCE L. DEE" > > Date: 2003/05/11 Sun PM 01:47:31 EDT > > To: > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > > > > I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 13:02:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun May 11 12:02:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030511084105.0233db30@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <32cd01c317ef$c9e70910$08ca94d1@remains> I think what Mr. Dee should have said was: I find it hard to believe that a serious gemstone or mineral ethusiast does not know who Sinkankas is or was!!!! that would have probably been more accurate. It doesn't surprise me that a "rockhound" wouldn't know who he was.....as there is a world of difference between "rockhounds" and professional mineral and gemstone enthusiasts....although you could be both, I suppose. Sinkankas's name is legendary and synonymous with mineralology and gemology, as is Joel Arem's, Richard Liddicoat, and Bill Larson..... People who for fun go out and look for jasper and agates on the weekends probably wouldn't know who these people are......but any one who is a professional or has a SERIOUS interest in this field must have been under a rock the past 20-30 years to not know who these guys are.......they are the (published, and otherwise) leaders in the field....... Unfortunately, I meet "gemologists" every day you have never heard of these people...all it shows is they never buy a book or go to the library when it comes to their interest in geology. I knew who guys were when I was 8 years old..... I'm sure there will be some on this list that take exception to what I have said...so be it. But I think I am right. The people on this list fall into (primarily) two categories: serious collectors and professionals recreational "rockhounds" and inexpensive mineral and gemstone collectors the reason you have comments like the one Lawrence made is exactly because of these divisions.......I am sure a lot of "rockhounds" wouldn't know who these people are (or care who they are), just as I wouldn't know where to look for plume agates (or care for that matter) different interests......same general science and all of us on one big happy list!!! Ain't it great!???!! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > At 07:47 AM 5/11/2003, you wrote: > > >I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is or > >was!!!! He wrote Gemstones of North America and other works. No further > >info on locations. > > > Oh come on, Lawrence Dee, don't be a geological snob. I've been a > rockhound for 50 years, and I didn't know who John Sinkakas was until he > died a while ago and Sherry Pauley provided the following site of > information about him: > > http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 13:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 11 12:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho Message-ID: <12b.29b9214d.2beff990@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/03 12:02:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: > > serious collectors and professionals > recreational "rockhounds" and inexpensive mineral and gemstone collectors > And we are united by one thing, our interest in pretty or unique rocks. I think we are all "serious' about that. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 18:29:11 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (George C. Hall) Date: Sun May 11 17:29:11 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] astorite Message-ID: <2DFE3FF5.4BD13672.02FB0CDC@netscape.net> Dan Z have you tested the rock,(misprint in artical, hard of 6.5 to 7 mohs) check it out before you trash it. george -- G.C.HAll & CO. Industry Consultant __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 18:30:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun May 11 17:30:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <32cd01c317ef$c9e70910$08ca94d1@remains> Message-ID: Mr. Dee was definitely saying the wrong words, but Mr. Schmidt didn't do much better. After a couple years of being a recreational rockhound, I now consider myself to be a serious collector for the last 5 years (e.g. purchasing high-priced mineral specimens after doing some research, and digging them myself), but I didn't know who Sinkankas was 2 or 3 years ago. I had heard his name, but didn't know the details. That's one of the reasons why I joined this list a few years ago. I wanted to find information. If we freak out when people ask questions, then how will they learn? And maybe I missed it, but I don't remember seeing anything in KM's e-mail that said he/she was a professional or serious collector/gemologist/whatever. Lastly, your 2 categories are a little shortsighted. I'm not sure how you can put the people on this list into just 2 main categories. It's like saying "people can be divided into 2 main categories: black or white" or "smart or dumb". That is just too generalistic and might actually comprise only 50% of the total. You aren't accounting for the people who are new to this hobby and want to become serious about it or even professionals. I'm sure if we tried, we could think of 4 or 5 main categories and numerous sub-categories. Just my 2 cents... Bob Loeffler -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Michael Schmidt Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:02 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho I think what Mr. Dee should have said was: I find it hard to believe that a serious gemstone or mineral ethusiast does not know who Sinkankas is or was!!!! that would have probably been more accurate. It doesn't surprise me that a "rockhound" wouldn't know who he was.....as there is a world of difference between "rockhounds" and professional mineral and gemstone enthusiasts....although you could be both, I suppose. Sinkankas's name is legendary and synonymous with mineralology and gemology, as is Joel Arem's, Richard Liddicoat, and Bill Larson..... People who for fun go out and look for jasper and agates on the weekends probably wouldn't know who these people are......but any one who is a professional or has a SERIOUS interest in this field must have been under a rock the past 20-30 years to not know who these guys are.......they are the (published, and otherwise) leaders in the field....... Unfortunately, I meet "gemologists" every day you have never heard of these people...all it shows is they never buy a book or go to the library when it comes to their interest in geology. I knew who guys were when I was 8 years old..... I'm sure there will be some on this list that take exception to what I have said...so be it. But I think I am right. The people on this list fall into (primarily) two categories: serious collectors and professionals recreational "rockhounds" and inexpensive mineral and gemstone collectors the reason you have comments like the one Lawrence made is exactly because of these divisions.......I am sure a lot of "rockhounds" wouldn't know who these people are (or care who they are), just as I wouldn't know where to look for plume agates (or care for that matter) different interests......same general science and all of us on one big happy list!!! Ain't it great!???!! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > At 07:47 AM 5/11/2003, you wrote: > > >I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is or > >was!!!! He wrote Gemstones of North America and other works. No further > >info on locations. > > > Oh come on, Lawrence Dee, don't be a geological snob. I've been a > rockhound for 50 years, and I didn't know who John Sinkakas was until he > died a while ago and Sherry Pauley provided the following site of > information about him: > > http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 18:35:10 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun May 11 17:35:10 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: Message-ID: <4a2e01c3181e$62a21220$08ca94d1@remains> I said primarily two categories....there are always going to be people who fit into both. I think by and large people do fit into these two categories. If you move from one to the other over time, so be it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > Mr. Dee was definitely saying the wrong words, but Mr. Schmidt didn't do > much better. After a couple years of being a recreational rockhound, I now > consider myself to be a serious collector for the last 5 years (e.g. > purchasing high-priced mineral specimens after doing some research, and > digging them myself), but I didn't know who Sinkankas was 2 or 3 years ago. > I had heard his name, but didn't know the details. That's one of the > reasons why I joined this list a few years ago. I wanted to find > information. If we freak out when people ask questions, then how will they > learn? And maybe I missed it, but I don't remember seeing anything in KM's > e-mail that said he/she was a professional or serious > collector/gemologist/whatever. Lastly, your 2 categories are a little > shortsighted. I'm not sure how you can put the people on this list into just > 2 main categories. It's like saying "people can be divided into 2 main > categories: black or white" or "smart or dumb". That is just too > generalistic and might actually comprise only 50% of the total. You aren't > accounting for the people who are new to this hobby and want to become > serious about it or even professionals. I'm sure if we tried, we could think > of 4 or 5 main categories and numerous sub-categories. > > Just my 2 cents... > > Bob Loeffler > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Michael Schmidt > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:02 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > > > I think what Mr. Dee should have said was: > > I find it hard to believe that a serious gemstone or mineral ethusiast does > not know who Sinkankas is or > was!!!! > > that would have probably been more accurate. It doesn't surprise me that a > "rockhound" wouldn't know who he was.....as there is a world of difference > between "rockhounds" and professional mineral and gemstone > enthusiasts....although you could be both, I suppose. > > Sinkankas's name is legendary and synonymous with mineralology and gemology, > as is Joel Arem's, Richard Liddicoat, and Bill Larson..... > > People who for fun go out and look for jasper and agates on the weekends > probably wouldn't know who these people are......but any one who is a > professional or has a SERIOUS interest in this field must have been under a > rock the past 20-30 years to not know who these guys are.......they are the > (published, and otherwise) leaders in the field....... > > Unfortunately, I meet "gemologists" every day you have never heard of these > people...all it shows is they never buy a book or go to the library when it > comes to their interest in geology. I knew who guys were when I was 8 years > old..... > > I'm sure there will be some on this list that take exception to what I have > said...so be it. But I think I am right. The people on this list fall into > (primarily) two categories: > > serious collectors and professionals > recreational "rockhounds" and inexpensive mineral and gemstone collectors > > the reason you have comments like the one Lawrence made is exactly because > of these divisions.......I am sure a lot of "rockhounds" wouldn't know who > these people are (or care who they are), just as I wouldn't know where to > look for plume agates (or care for that matter) > > different interests......same general science > > and all of us on one big happy list!!! > > Ain't it great!???!! > > Michael > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > > > > At 07:47 AM 5/11/2003, you wrote: > > > > >I find it hard to believe that a rockhound does not know who Sinkankas is > or > > >was!!!! He wrote Gemstones of North America and other works. No further > > >info on locations. > > > > > > Oh come on, Lawrence Dee, don't be a geological snob. I've been a > > rockhound for 50 years, and I didn't know who John Sinkakas was until he > > died a while ago and Sherry Pauley provided the following site of > > information about him: > > > > http://www.irocks.com/sinktext.htm > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 18:35:16 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 11 17:35:16 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho Message-ID: <198.1a1e0aa2.2bf04619@aol.com> Grant, As one of those who is interested in pretty rocks, I could not agree with you more. given the number of listings on this site, one will eventually learn many things about all of those pretty rocks we find. One may even learn where to find lots of different pretty and not so pretty rocks. The beauty of this group has always been that there have been "professionals" who have taken the time to help us amateurs and for that I am grateful. Pat From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 11 19:20:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (sunstone3) Date: Sun May 11 18:20:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member Message-ID: <001201c31825$b22ee460$c8294b43@feldsparflash> New to list and a livetime rockhound as my Dad was a exploration = geologist. I was reared on rocks. Born in Kansas now live in New York = state, retired art teacher, President of my Gem & Mineral Society and = collect rocks & minerals. I have a good sized feldspar collection. Also = collect fluorescent minerals and have a basic teaching collection of = minerals. Usually I have a lot of questions as I am very interested in = how things happen, plate tectonics and rock and mineral environments. = Carolyn Reynard. =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 00:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jennifer seidel) Date: Sun May 11 23:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F638B98-8440-11D7-89C5-000393B396CA@mac.com> most of what i do is collect rocks that i think are pretty or my wife thinks such. i did take soil science and geology in college. rockhounding is a constructive way to spend my time decorating my house and yard as apposed to say sitting and sucking down the brewskis day after day or weekend after weekend, this way, at least i focus my obsessiveness. i am only thirty-one and had the rockhounding bug for 6 years so am rather new, and most spots are picked over. no-one could really point me in any specific direction of agate in challis idaho but gave good directions to poke around to find the new find plume near graveyard point now its a huge area and it deserves quite some time i met locals who said some goods could be found if u looked and now the enemy mine at, time said"Actually its west of Graveyard Point within shouting distance of Gene Mueller's (The Rock Shop in Cedar Rapids IA) Regency Rose mine..." so i will poke around challis although the rock shop had odd hours maybe that fella can be of some help. i just wanna find some pretty rock and i dont mind busting some buttt to get at it, but wi ld goose chases get under my skin. KM On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 05:35 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > And maybe I missed it, but I don't remember seeing anything in KM's > e-mail that said he/she was a professional or serious > collector/gemologist/whatever. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 00:24:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jennifer seidel) Date: Sun May 11 23:24:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.2.20030511102942.0157e218@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <1E198820-8441-11D7-89C5-000393B396CA@mac.com> thanks, tim yet again you provide useful info KM On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Tim Fisher wrote: > Actually its west of Graveyard Point within shouting distance of Gene > Mueller's (The Rock Shop in Cedar Rapids IA) Regency Rose mine... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 00:24:08 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jennifer seidel) Date: Sun May 11 23:24:08 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <12b.29b9214d.2beff990@aol.com> Message-ID: <5105BB0A-8441-11D7-89C5-000393B396CA@mac.com> cheers to that again and again KM On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 12:08 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > And we are united by one thing, our interest in pretty or unique > rocks. I > think we are all "serious' about that. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 05:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Mon May 12 04:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member In-Reply-To: <001201c31825$b22ee460$c8294b43@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030512073224.01c62be0@po2.bbn.com> Carolyn, Welcome to the list. I have found this to be a good place to share knowledge and get good advice and answers to your questions. I am sure that you will as well. Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA At 09:27 PM 5/11/2003, you wrote: >New to list and a livetime rockhound as my Dad was a exploration >geologist. I was reared on rocks. Born in Kansas now live in New York >state, retired art teacher, President of my Gem & Mineral Society and >collect rocks & minerals. I have a good sized feldspar collection. Also >collect fluorescent minerals and have a basic teaching collection of >minerals. Usually I have a lot of questions as I am very interested in how >things happen, plate tectonics and rock and mineral environments. Carolyn >Reynard. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 06:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon May 12 05:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta, GA show this weekend References: <5807041.1052354651930.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3EBF98CC.000016.01228@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Hi John:=0D Thanks for sending this out. I usually try to do it a couple of weeks i= n advance of the show, but I never had the flyer with me and didn't know th= e times!=0D It was good to see you again, and I hope you had a really successful s= how =0D =0D Anita=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Date: Thursday, May 08, 2003 08:51:44 PM=0D To: volgems@icx.net=0D Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta, GA show this weekend=0D =0D Greetings!=0D =0D I would like to remind members of the list about the=0D Georgia Mineral Society's 35th Annual Gem, Mineral, =0D Jewelry, and Fossil Show this weekend in Atlanta. =0D =0D My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table=0D coverings! I will have several new items from the Tucson=0D shows including a few nice brazilianites from Telirio =0D Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst (Melody's=0D "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several interesting =0D quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. Also, I have=0D some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big Indian Mine,=0D La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look!=0D =0D Dates: Friday, Saturday and Sunday, May 9-11, 2003=0D =0D Hours: Friday - 10:00 am - 7:00 pm=0D Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm=0D Sunday - 12:00 noon - 5:00 pm=0D =0D Location: The Cobb County Civic Center=0D 548 So. Marietta Parkway and Fairground St., =0D Marietta, GA =0D =0D More information and directions can be found at:=0D http://www.gamineral.org/may-show.htm=0D =0D Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce=0D yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you=0D can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my=0D addiction with other dealers!=0D =0D John Teague=0D Volunteer Gems=0D Knoxville, Tennessee=0D http://www.VolunteerGems.com=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 08:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 12 07:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho Message-ID: From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 11:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon May 12 10:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <0bec01c317d3$9d873cd0$08ca94d1@remains> Message-ID: <265668D8-849E-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Lanny is here, and Lanny was just down in Challis, and Lanny has seen no plume agate or heard of any plume agate in the Challis area (which of course does not mean there isn't any there). I am curious Michael how the web site for the well known plume agate locality of Graveyard Point (in Idaho and Oregon) got you to ask about plume agate in the Challis area. There is a little plume from the Muldoon, Idaho area (west of Craters of the Moon and north of Carey in the middle of nowhere). In that area, plume agate, banded agate and other more boring agate is found on the hillsides over an area of a few square miles immediately south of the old townsite. I believe there have been some of the Beacon Hill agate nodules (west of Weiser, Idaho) with a nice plume formation in them. Regards, Lanny On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Murray" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:43 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > > >> anyone out there have any info on how to or where to hunt this? google >> didnt turn up anything but rough for sale. >> TIA >> KM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 11:30:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon May 12 10:30:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <413C0922-83D2-11D7-8592-000A27B5DC58@mac.com> Message-ID: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Kris, Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or not. Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told me or showed me any... Regards, Lanny On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of > graveyard point > the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though > KM > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > >> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 11:38:41 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon May 12 10:38:41 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <265668D8-849E-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <1E1A8BC4-84A0-11D7-84C3-000393A96092@mac.com> i originally asked about plume in challis because of photos from this web site posted last week..... http://csd.unl.edu/csd/agate-page/states/idaho/idaho-frame.htm and someone answered my query with a link to the enemy mine site next to graveyard point. thanks lanny again for sharing your idaho expertise! KM On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Lanny wrote: > I am curious Michael how the web site for the well known plume agate > locality of Graveyard Point (in Idaho and Oregon) got you to ask about > plume agate in the Challis area From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 12:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon May 12 11:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <5F01EF3A-84A9-11D7-84C3-000393A96092@mac.com> is it BIG, boring and blue-gray outta challis? like that outta SE Oregon? in that valley..... in one of your books maybe.. maybe. maybe not. like south of graveyard point? Or near bowery guard station outta stanley found some blue agate with red coating on it i really liked that, i think that was outta your book to? like any of that those materials?? KM See other post for link on challis plume, oh heck http://csd.unl.edu/csd/agate-page/states/idaho/idaho-frame.htm KM On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:29 AM, Lanny wrote: > boring blue-gray material that only I find interesting and collectible From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 15:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon May 12 14:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <1E1A8BC4-84A0-11D7-84C3-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Kris, The material labeled plume on Pabian's site wouldn't have been labeled plume by me. A plume is a feather, and this material doesn't remind me of a feather, although much of the Graveyard Point material doesn't either. I would say that this material could be from the Challis area, I've seen small pieces similar to it, but none as large as in those photos appear to be. My guess is there may be an area that is "known" for it (but no one has told me), but it also may just be the rare piece from any of many hills and canyons in the Challis area: along Challis Creek, Lime Creek, Lone Pine Peak area, Road Creek, Herd Creek.... As to the boring blue-gray material, it's like that from lots of areas--nodules of various sizes with fortification, but the color is a boring gray to slightly bluish gray. Probably the most abundant agate in the world. Regards, Lanny On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > i originally asked about plume in challis because of photos from this > web site posted last week..... > > http://csd.unl.edu/csd/agate-page/states/idaho/idaho-frame.htm > > and someone answered my query with a link to the enemy mine site next > to graveyard point. > thanks lanny again for sharing your idaho expertise! > KM > On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Lanny wrote: > >> I am curious Michael how the web site for the well known plume agate >> locality of Graveyard Point (in Idaho and Oregon) got you to ask >> about plume agate in the Challis area > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 15:33:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon May 12 14:33:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: Message-ID: <024001c318ce$26e690c0$37cc94d1@remains> plume /plu:m/ noun 1 feather, esp. large and showy one. 2 feathery ornament in hat, hair, etc. 3 feather-like formation, esp. of smoke. verb (-ming) 1 furnish with plume(s). 2 (plume oneself on, upon) pride oneself on. ·noun 1feather, quill; (plumes) plumage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho > Hi Kris, > A plume is a feather, and this material doesn't remind me > of a feather, although much of the Graveyard Point material doesn't > either. . From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 15:51:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon May 12 14:51:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5FD284D4-84C3-11D7-84C3-000393A96092@mac.com> i think you are with this statement hitting the proverbial nail on the head. thanks again when i am in that area this june i will keep me eyes peeled and readers posted!! KM On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 02:15 PM, Lanny wrote: > but it also may just be the rare piece from any of many hills and > canyons in the Challis area: along Challis Creek, Lime Creek, Lone > Pine Peak area, Road Creek, Herd Creek.... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 17:01:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Mon May 12 16:01:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: Message-ID: <3EC03EBA.2713C1EA@ix.netcom.com> I have one from the Challis area that "in depth" gives a light lavender color, but is probably just an "in depth" effect in a blue-gray banded agate. I happen to like this one alot. To me, without worrying about the featheryness of the "plumes," especially the first of the two on Pabian's page looks correct for Challis; from a museum in Elmhurst, IL, howefer. John Lanny wrote: > Hi Kris, > > The material labeled plume on Pabian's site wouldn't have been labeled > plume by me. A plume is a feather, and this material doesn't remind me > of a feather, although much of the Graveyard Point material doesn't > either. I would say that this material could be from the Challis area, > I've seen small pieces similar to it, but none as large as in those > photos appear to be. My guess is there may be an area that is "known" > for it (but no one has told me), but it also may just be the rare piece > from any of many hills and canyons in the Challis area: along Challis > Creek, Lime Creek, Lone Pine Peak area, Road Creek, Herd Creek.... > > As to the boring blue-gray material, it's like that from lots of > areas--nodules of various sizes with fortification, but the color is a > boring gray to slightly bluish gray. Probably the most abundant agate > in the world. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > > > i originally asked about plume in challis because of photos from this > > web site posted last week..... > > > > http://csd.unl.edu/csd/agate-page/states/idaho/idaho-frame.htm > > > > and someone answered my query with a link to the enemy mine site next > > to graveyard point. > > thanks lanny again for sharing your idaho expertise! > > KM > > On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Lanny wrote: > > > >> I am curious Michael how the web site for the well known plume agate > >> locality of Graveyard Point (in Idaho and Oregon) got you to ask > >> about plume agate in the Challis area > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 17:05:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Mon May 12 16:05:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <3EC03FC6.ECF02F14@ix.netcom.com> Lanny, Speaking of the Challis Volcanics (hope I didn't ask you this awhile back), I bought a thunderegg from a dealer west of Boise a couple of years back, who said it was from the Challis area. I don't think so, but it's not impossible. Have you heard of any? Thanks, John Lanny wrote: > Kris, > > Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to > whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or not. > > Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? > > There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge > area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that > only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and > there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if > someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told > me or showed me any... > > Regards, > > Lanny > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > > > this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of > > graveyard point > > the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though > > KM > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > >> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 18:24:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Mon May 12 17:24:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas... Message-ID: <3EC03BCC.344@rcn.com> http://www.palagems.com/sinkankas.htm Just a little FYI - re 'who is Sinkankas' GMO --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 20:57:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon May 12 19:57:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report -- Quincy Mine (Hancock, MI) Message-ID: <3EC05F1D.61F1@Tomaszewski.net> I've got to start with a disclaimer... The real intent of my trip was to go see my son graduate from MI Tech, and trade vehicles with him so he would have our van to move his stuff back home. I know before the family set out collecting would have to be squeezed in because there would not be room for many rocks in the car we would be coming back in. Car space is a premium when you are driving 10 hours (one way, and never leaving the state). But I threw my collecting bag in before leaving Friday with plans to spend a few hours Sunday afternoon on some of the mine dumps in the Keewenaw before driving back Monday morning. After graduation Saturday we planned to visit the Seaman Mineral Museum, but on arrival we found it was closed and they were moving to new quarters. So much for the confirming email from our pre-trip plans that they would be open. We let my son entertain us, and spent some family time in the motel pool. Sunday morning we went to Mass, and it was somewhat obvious from the high winds and heavy rain that collecting in the field was not likely to be healthy. Time for another plan... Andy had spent five years at Tech but had never been to the Quincy Mine Museum. A phonecall confirmed they were not only open, but had already started mine tours too. Something indoors! We bundled up against the 30 mph winds, heavy rain, and flood advisories, and went up the hill to the museum gift shop to purchase our tour tickets. We spent time time in the gift shop (acquired a couple specimens) and watched a video produced by the Quincy Mine Hoist Association about the mine. Andy was quite pleased to find it was narrated by one of his professors. Time for the mine tour. The wind speed had almost doubled, and it was raining in buckets, with thunder and lightning thrown in for effects, so we drove to the hoist building for jackets and hard hats. They had us all take a second jacket to sit on because the transport to the mine would be 'a little damp'. We went out the employee entrance (they didn't want to try to open the usual garage type door) to the cog railway/tram car that would take us down the hill to the entrance adit. The tram leaked from the roof, and we were glad we had the extra jackets to sit on. We emerged from the tram at the adit entrance and had to walk past a snow pile to get on the roofed transport cart to go into the mine. The second jackets again came in handy as the seats were damp. The Quincy Mine operated from 1848 to the end of WWII and is the deepest mine in the United States, going down 9,260 ft. The adit was originally a 3 ft drain at level 7, and was widened by MTU mining students to several meters in the 1970s. When mining ceased the mine flooded to the level of the adit. The Quincy was known as 'old reliable' because the mining stock actually paid a regular dividend during its operation. The transport cart took us in about 1/2 mile (and 400 ft underground). We then got to see some of the original mining equipment, experience what it was like for the miners to work by candlelight, see one of the stopes, look up one of the shafts (and down into the water) and get an excellent presentation of what mining had been like at $1-4 per 12 hour day. One of my kids asked for permission to collect. They told us they had lots of rocks, and we could take anything we wanted. We filled up our pockets at about 350 feet underground, and my bold kid now has a better specimen of enargite than I do (it is also a better specimen than our local museum has!); it pays to ask for permission to collect! We reboarded the transport wagon and headed back out. About 300 feet from the entrance the driver got too close to the wall and hung the wagon up, and we ended up having to walk the rest of the way out. We took the tram back to the hoist building, shed our soaking coats and hardhats, and sat down in a warm room for a video about the hoist itself, which is the largest steam hoist ever constructed. The video included segments of old movies taken in the mine from the early 1900s. We then had a tour (interrupted by lightning and thunder) of the hoist itself. It was truely an engineering marvel, and is worth the cost of the tour. We spent some time in their museum and enjoyed some beautiful specimens, including a two story copper nugget. We also braved the elements to visit the shaft house (1/2 mile away!). The hoist handled two strands of 20,000 foot, 2 inch, steel cable! And on the way home we found we still had a little room in the trunk, so we stopped at several roadside cuts thru the copper and iron sections in Michigan's UP and have another bucket of specimens for our collections (that still need cleaning and identifying). I hope my son finds room in the van to bring me home some rock from the Quincy Mine dumps to round out the trip. I doubt any of us will ever forget this collecting trip (even if the pictures don't turn out). Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 12 21:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon May 12 20:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <3EC03FC6.ECF02F14@ix.netcom.com> References: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030512173004.00bc4968@mail.spiritone.com> Yes John, it is. I have found several thundereggs and cores in the East Fork Salmon below the Bowery GS and up Herd Creek a ways. This is in the middle of the Challis Volcanics... At 04:43 PM 5/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Lanny, > >Speaking of the Challis Volcanics (hope I didn't ask you this awhile back), >I bought a thunderegg from a dealer west of Boise a couple of years back, >who said it was from the Challis area. I don't think so, but it's not >impossible. Have you heard of any? > >Thanks, > >John > >Lanny wrote: > > > Kris, > > > > Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to > > whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or not. > > > > Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? > > > > There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge > > area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that > > only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and > > there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if > > someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told > > me or showed me any... > > > > Regards, > > > > Lanny > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > > > > > this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of > > > graveyard point > > > the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though > > > KM > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > > > >> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 01:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (mohammad kamran) Date: Tue May 13 00:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hi,from rakaposhi gems & minerals Message-ID: hi,every body, I am knew on the list,I basically wanted to discuss a rear earth XENOTIME(rearly transparent(yellow),we have this new discovery,in pakistan and I will appreciate any comments about how is this colour change effect occurs. mohammad kamran abbasi. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 01:39:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue May 13 00:39:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hi,from rakaposhi gems & minerals References: Message-ID: <000701c31922$b5bdc080$de9f77d5@pandora.be> Hi Mohammed, I met quite a few of your fellow Pakistani and also people from Afghanistan on our mineral show (MKA-Minerant- in Antwerp, Belgium) last weekend. So I'm aware of the really nice stuf you guys dig up. >From what you wrote, there seems to be a change in colour in xenotime from this locality. Could you describe what happens and also when it happens? Is it under ultraviolet light or after exposure to sunlight? Best Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen MINERANT 2003 - Mineralen en fossielen beurs Dit jaar NIEUWE LOCATIE! "Stuurboord - hangar 26-27", Rijnkaai 96, Antwerpen. Grote parking ! Waar: Scheldekaaien naast de ATV-studio's ter hoogte vd Londonstraat. Route: http://www.stuurboord.com/gif/map.gif http://www.minerant.org/MKA/minerantnl.html Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "mohammad kamran" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Hi,from rakaposhi gems & minerals > hi,every body, > I am knew on the list,I basically wanted to discuss a rear earth > XENOTIME(rearly transparent(yellow),we have this new discovery,in pakistan > and I will appreciate any comments about how is this colour change effect > occurs. > mohammad kamran abbasi. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 07:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Tue May 13 06:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals Message-ID: Has anyone taken a look at their Cumberland, England quartz and hematite specimens after reading John White's article in the May/June, Rocks and Minerals article, "Let's Get It Right" at page 196? I would be interested in hearing what others have found. I found the article to be very interesting and it certainly led me to believe there is a lot inaccuracies in the literature. Comments...? Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 07:32:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 13 06:32:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals Message-ID: <200305131331.h4DDVRFt014716@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I have that issue but haven't read it yet; could you offer a brief summary of the topic? Given your implications, however, I would agree that there is a lot of bad information in the literature. We hope that the refereed literature is much more accurate, but general publication magazines, and now the Internet, are replete with bogus information. I have made this a burning issue for the last two years but many people consider the problem hopeless, or else don't care; and people continue to post an alarming amount of erroneous data on the Internet that others take as gospel. I could propose solutions, but they are too idealistic to be practical. Don > Has anyone taken a look at their Cumberland, England quartz and hematite > specimens after reading John White's article in the May/June, Rocks and > Minerals article, "Let's Get It Right" at page 196? > > I would be interested in hearing what others have found. > > I found the article to be very interesting and it certainly led me to > believe there is a lot inaccuracies in the literature. Comments...? > > Larry Bull > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 07:38:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Tue May 13 06:38:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quartz of that habit occurs at many localities, and seems especially common in association with hematite. In addition to the Cumberland material, there are many excellent examples from the Chubb Lake area in St. Lawrence County, NY. I have collected small crystals with almost no prism in septarian concretions in Ohio. The difference between a high-temperature (beta) quartz crystal and one that formed as low quartz can be almost nil if the two different kinds of faces of the low quartz are equally developed and there are no modifying faces. Almost all quartz (in fact I know of no exceptions) that forms as high quartz is transformed to low quartz immediately upon cooling below the temperature boundary that separates the stability fields of these two species, which is about 573°C at surface pressures. This does not change the morphology, only the internal structure. Pete Richards >Has anyone taken a look at their Cumberland, England quartz and hematite >specimens after reading John White's article in the May/June, Rocks and >Minerals article, "Let's Get It Right" at page 196? > >I would be interested in hearing what others have found. > >I found the article to be very interesting and it certainly led me to >believe there is a lot inaccuracies in the literature. Comments...? > >Larry Bull > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 08:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue May 13 07:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals References: Message-ID: <002201c31958$31d0f4a0$95ae5a0c@fekib> ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Bull To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals > Has anyone taken a look at their Cumberland, England quartz and hematite > specimens after reading John White's article in the May/June, Rocks and > Minerals article, "Let's Get It Right" at page 196? > > I would be interested in hearing what others have found. > > I found the article to be very interesting and it certainly led me to > believe there is a lot inaccuracies in the literature. Comments...? > > Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ I have found the Cumberland habit on small loose quartz crystals from Pike County, Arkansas. This is an appropriate time for me to ask if anyone else is familiar with this site. Supposedly, these occur in a field, where a farmer's wife collects them after plowing. They are only 1-2cm in size, very well formed, and clear. I could use additional information about the locality. Thanks...........Larry Rush (larryrush@att.net) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 11:30:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Harris) Date: Tue May 13 10:30:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare meteorite specimens for sale - eBay Message-ID: <3EC12B81.000032.03952@bigbertha> Hi, Thanks for your indulgence and I hope this is an appropriate forum... I have the following meteorite specimens for sale on eBay: They are: Sah 99555 Angrite, 12mg: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2174649970 and Zagami, 0.3g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2174650698 thanks for your patience! dave IMCA #0092 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 12:14:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue May 13 11:14:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <3EC03FC6.ECF02F14@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <801944B2-856E-11D7-B16A-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> No, no thundereggs, but as you said, it is not impossible. There are all kinds of nodules and geodes with various rinds, I don't see why at least one of those rhyolite bodies couldn't have done it right to make thundereggs. Regards, Lanny On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 05:43 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > Lanny, > > Speaking of the Challis Volcanics (hope I didn't ask you this awhile > back), > I bought a thunderegg from a dealer west of Boise a couple of years > back, > who said it was from the Challis area. I don't think so, but it's not > impossible. Have you heard of any? > > Thanks, > > John > > Lanny wrote: > >> Kris, >> >> Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to >> whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or >> not. >> >> Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? >> >> There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge >> area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that >> only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and >> there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if >> someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told >> me or showed me any... >> >> Regards, >> >> Lanny >> >> On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: >> >>> this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of >>> graveyard point >>> the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, >>> though >>> KM >>> On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 12:45:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (LAWRENCE L. DEE) Date: Tue May 13 11:45:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <801944B2-856E-11D7-B16A-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <007901c3197f$def2c920$7551bb3f@n7y7z7> Lanny, please give me a shout. LDee From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 13:33:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Tue May 13 12:33:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> <5.2.0.5.2.20030512173004.00bc4968@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3EC15F7F.9BF7FA62@ix.netcom.com> Lanny, VERY interesting! Could you please describe them? The one questionable I have has a more or less "rosewood red" hull and white waterline interior. In the hull the flow layering of the enclosing rhyolite country rock can be seen to continue through the thunderegg hull itself. John Tim Fisher wrote: > Yes John, it is. I have found several thundereggs and cores in the East > Fork Salmon below the Bowery GS and up Herd Creek a ways. This is in the > middle of the Challis Volcanics... > > At 04:43 PM 5/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Lanny, > > > >Speaking of the Challis Volcanics (hope I didn't ask you this awhile back), > >I bought a thunderegg from a dealer west of Boise a couple of years back, > >who said it was from the Challis area. I don't think so, but it's not > >impossible. Have you heard of any? > > > >Thanks, > > > >John > > > >Lanny wrote: > > > > > Kris, > > > > > > Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to > > > whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or not. > > > > > > Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? > > > > > > There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge > > > area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that > > > only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and > > > there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if > > > someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told > > > me or showed me any... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > > > > > > > this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of > > > > graveyard point > > > > the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though > > > > KM > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > > > > > >> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 13:37:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Tue May 13 12:37:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho References: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> <5.2.0.5.2.20030512173004.00bc4968@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3EC1605D.1594F874@ix.netcom.com> Tim, Sorry. I mistook your reply as coming from Lanny. Please read my other posting. Can you describe them? John Tim Fisher wrote: > Yes John, it is. I have found several thundereggs and cores in the East > Fork Salmon below the Bowery GS and up Herd Creek a ways. This is in the > middle of the Challis Volcanics... > > At 04:43 PM 5/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Lanny, > > > >Speaking of the Challis Volcanics (hope I didn't ask you this awhile back), > >I bought a thunderegg from a dealer west of Boise a couple of years back, > >who said it was from the Challis area. I don't think so, but it's not > >impossible. Have you heard of any? > > > >Thanks, > > > >John > > > >Lanny wrote: > > > > > Kris, > > > > > > Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to > > > whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or not. > > > > > > Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? > > > > > > There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge > > > area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that > > > only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and > > > there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if > > > someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told > > > me or showed me any... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > > > > > > > this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of > > > > graveyard point > > > > the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, though > > > > KM > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > > > > > >> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 13 15:06:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue May 13 14:06:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] plume agate in challis, idaho In-Reply-To: <3EC1605D.1594F874@ix.netcom.com> References: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> <5.2.0.5.2.20030512173004.00bc4968@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030513134620.00b186f0@mail.spiritone.com> Typical layered blue/white agate cores, with typical bubbly matrix. I didn't even keep but one they were so boring :) And no I couldn't find it in the 100s of buckets of rock for the life of me! At 01:15 PM 5/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Tim, > >Sorry. I mistook your reply as coming from Lanny. Please read my other >posting. >Can you describe them? > >John > >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > Yes John, it is. I have found several thundereggs and cores in the East > > Fork Salmon below the Bowery GS and up Herd Creek a ways. This is in the > > middle of the Challis Volcanics... > > > > At 04:43 PM 5/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > >Lanny, > > > > > >Speaking of the Challis Volcanics (hope I didn't ask you this awhile > back), > > >I bought a thunderegg from a dealer west of Boise a couple of years back, > > >who said it was from the Challis area. I don't think so, but it's not > > >impossible. Have you heard of any? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >John > > > > > >Lanny wrote: > > > > > > > Kris, > > > > > > > > Looks like I am totally confused in the the plume agate messages as to > > > > whom started the question. Still not sure if I saw the first one or > not. > > > > > > > > Where did you learn of a plume find near Challis? > > > > > > > > There is a lot of agate in the Challis volcanics (which cover a huge > > > > area), unfortunately 98.34256% of it is boring blue-gray material that > > > > only I find interesting and collectible, but there is some here and > > > > there with other patterns or colors. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if > > > > someone has found some plume in the Challis area, but no one has told > > > > me or showed me any... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Kris Murray wrote: > > > > > > > > > this was about another plume find on the i assume east side of > > > > > graveyard point > > > > > the point i was curious about was in challis idaho. great link, > though > > > > > KM > > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> http://www.plumeagate.com/mine/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 06:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Wed May 14 05:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals Message-ID: I had always been under the impression, from what I had read, that it was the lack of the prism that distinguished the Beta quartz but apparently not so... But in looking at the two specimens I do have from Cumberland I noticed that there were both habits present, i.e. both the Beta and the Cumberland habits. This was surprizing to me and I thought a little strange. So I was wondering what others would observe on their Cumberland specimens or those from other places like Chubb Lake... Larry Bull >From: morningstar@att.net >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in >May/June, Rocks and Minerals >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:31:24 +0000 > >I have that issue but haven't read it yet; could you offer a brief summary >of >the topic? > >Given your implications, however, I would agree that there is a lot of bad >information in the literature. We hope that the refereed literature is >much >more accurate, but general publication magazines, and now the Internet, are >replete with bogus information. I have made this a burning issue for the >last >two years but many people consider the problem hopeless, or else don't >care; >and people continue to post an alarming amount of erroneous data on the >Internet that others take as gospel. I could propose solutions, but they >are >too idealistic to be practical. > >Don > > > Has anyone taken a look at their Cumberland, England quartz and hematite > > specimens after reading John White's article in the May/June, Rocks and > > Minerals article, "Let's Get It Right" at page 196? > > > > I would be interested in hearing what others have found. > > > > I found the article to be very interesting and it certainly led me to > > believe there is a lot inaccuracies in the literature. Comments...? > > > > Larry Bull > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 06:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 14 05:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine Message-ID: <6D40E222.2060B19B.0B246FD3@aol.com> Just a short note. I attended the Maine Mineral Symposium in Augusta this past weekend. This has been a wonderful experience each time I've done it for the past 5 or so years with presentations on Maine and New England minerals, often by the people doing the mining. The pictures and eagerness with which these folks describe theri work is infectious. Each Sunday following the sympoisum the organizers arrange one or two field trips to places normally inaccessible to the public. This year one of the field trips was to the Orchard and Bennett quaries. I had gone to the Bennett 18 years ago to dig in the dumps. At that time all you had to do was put a couple of bucks in a can nailed to the old barn wall and head on back to the quarry. I had just begun to find some nice pieces on the dumps when my the 13 year old son got so antsy that we had to leave. It was really his trip, so I did not feel I could require him to stay and watch his old man digging in a pile of rocks. 8 or 9 years ago I returned only to find that access was barred. The Bennett was now under a new lease and closed to the public. In fact, it was where a great new find had occurred including a giant peach colored morganite which was called the "Rose of Maine". So, being able to revisit the Bennett and dig uninterrupted for 6 hours was a great treat. And, I found at least 20 pieces of beryl, a couple of which are a nice blue aqua color. The young lady digging in the pile right next to me pulled out a huge (at least 4 inches long) bright blue but not gemmy aqua. What a treat!!! The symposium is great fun and a number of dealers offer specimens from local quarries at reasonable prices. I bought a 6 inch long blue beryl from Songo Pond for $80.00. The symposium is put on by Woody Thompson and others from the Maine Geological Survey as well as other associated folks. NEWRY MINERAL PARK. I'd also like to put in a plug for this. The Geological Survey has launched a fund raising effort to purchase the Newry mine and make it available to the public. That is all the public, not just local residents but rockhounds from all over the US. You can read about it at http://www.amfed.org/sfms/newry.html. Given the rapid disappearance of places in the north east where the public can rockhound, this would be a marvelous resource for our community. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 07:39:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 14 06:39:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine Message-ID: <20030514133755.JDMJ11963.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> J. Thought you were away. Did you unsub? Do you know about Walt? I am just grabbing the last messages for this trip into Plano. Leave here at noon, have been here 8 days, a bit longer than planned. I came for Mother's Day, and to get Gregg out from under his paper mess. Mission accomplished. I will return here day after Walt's memorial in Bakersfield May 25. Anthony graduates high school on the 28th. I've a full schedule for a bit. Have a faceter house guest arriving on the 3rd, we will drive to the AFMS/CFMS show in Ventura June 5-8th. We both will attend the Faceter Symposium. We both will return to Oceanside, he plans a bit of rock hounding with me. June 8th is my birthday, for once I will not spend it alone. How are you, and aside from Maine, what have you been up to? How are your family members? Up to pack and shower. Hugs, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 07:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 14 06:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine Message-ID: <20030514134941.JBYX4142.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> List, I did not intend to send my message to list, hit reply without thinking. Sorry, Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 13:43:56 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed May 14 12:43:56 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] MasMils and GPS Message-ID: BlankHi all... If you've been trying to use my MasMils/PLUS with a GPS and are having limited success you may be in luck. One of the guys who got my disk figured out a clever was to use DeLorme's Street Atlas as a GPS import mechanism. I've stuck (with his kind permission) his information up on my site. It can be reached at: http://www.catspaw-minerals.com/prod01.htm Click on the "GPS Loading" button on the left. PLUG: I've got a bunch of copies up on eBay! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2174249003 Thanks all... Gary Brown --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 14:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed May 14 13:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine In-Reply-To: <20030514134941.JBYX4142.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.n et> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030514110957.02020d50@mail.aloha.net> That's OK Teresa. Now we will all be able to wish you "happy birthday" on June 8th! Aloha, Kitty At 03:49 AM 5/14/2003, you wrote: >List, >I did not intend to send my message to list, hit reply without thinking. >Sorry, >Teresa > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 16:34:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (frank de wit) Date: Wed May 14 15:34:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] News on strahlen.org Message-ID: <005201c31a68$bd9b2c10$8d7ba8c0@cm333814LT> Hi fellow rockhounds, I was underground in 7 mines in and around Freiberg, Sachsen, Germany, some go back to the yr 1730 ! Some of the tours are online at http://www.strahlen.org/public/ We found Alunogen, Millosevichit, Godovikovit, Kremersit, Selen etc etc = at the Anna-dumps near Alsdorf/Aken, Germany See mineralphoto's etc online on: http://www.strahlen.org/anna/ There are now 2.316 photo's online... ;-) Cheers! Frank --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 14 17:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed May 14 16:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals References: Message-ID: <000e01c31a70$3b6bdd90$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> If you look at Cumberland habit quartz with a microscope you might see a small prism on all of the crystals whether from Cumbria or NY. Don't confuse beta quartz with Cumberland habit. Beta quartz can have a prism. What beta quartz paramorphs have is true, undeviating, hexagonal symmetry. If there are even minor deviations, the mineral started life out as plain ol' alpha quartz which happened to have nearly equally developed faces. Of course, beta quartz could be distorted as any crystal might be. At any rate, all quartz at room temperature or close enough, is alpha quartz by now. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Bull" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in May/June, Rocks and Minerals > I had always been under the impression, from what I had read, that it was > the lack of the prism that distinguished the Beta quartz but apparently not > so... > > But in looking at the two specimens I do have from Cumberland I noticed that > there were both habits present, i.e. both the Beta and the Cumberland > habits. > > This was surprizing to me and I thought a little strange. So I was > wondering what others would observe on their Cumberland specimens or those > from other places like Chubb Lake... > > Larry Bull > > > >From: morningstar@att.net > >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Cumberland Habit, John White's article in > >May/June, Rocks and Minerals > >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:31:24 +0000 > > > >I have that issue but haven't read it yet; could you offer a brief summary > >of > >the topic? > > > >Given your implications, however, I would agree that there is a lot of bad > >information in the literature. We hope that the refereed literature is > >much > >more accurate, but general publication magazines, and now the Internet, are > >replete with bogus information. I have made this a burning issue for the > >last > >two years but many people consider the problem hopeless, or else don't > >care; > >and people continue to post an alarming amount of erroneous data on the > >Internet that others take as gospel. I could propose solutions, but they > >are > >too idealistic to be practical. > > > >Don > > > > > Has anyone taken a look at their Cumberland, England quartz and hematite > > > specimens after reading John White's article in the May/June, Rocks and > > > Minerals article, "Let's Get It Right" at page 196? > > > > > > I would be interested in hearing what others have found. > > > > > > I found the article to be very interesting and it certainly led me to > > > believe there is a lot inaccuracies in the literature. Comments...? > > > > > > Larry Bull > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 16 12:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Fri May 16 11:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Estate Book & Mineral Auction Reminder In-Reply-To: <20030515.230348.-339429.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <20030516185820.99782.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am sending this for two reasons. One is to remind folks that a large Estate Auction of Mineral and Rock Books as well as mineral specimens will be taking place this weekend in St. Louis, Missouri, USA. You can see details at; http://www.kcminerals.com/auction!.htm The owner was a serious collector who loved to read so he had many excellent mineral books as well as a complete set of Mineralogical Record Magazines. For the micro collector he did collect micros although I'm not sure what he had in his collection. There are two binocular microscopes available and I'm guessing the price on them and any micros will be low as there are almost no micro collector's here in the area. The second reason I am sending the notice is if there any list members coming to the auction let me know if you would like to stop by and look at my collection after it is over. My house is only about two miles down the road from the auction. In fact you could likely make an extra day out of the trip by stopping by all the area dealer collectors. There are four other fine collections within 5 miles of the event featuring many of the specimens which were featured in the Roacks and Minerals and the Mineralogical record magazine. Including the collection with the superb Millerite that was featured on the cover of the Missouri Issue of Rocks and Minerals Magazine. Keith Proctor has an eye on it as well as several other pieces in that collection. There will be three or five authors (Kevin Conroy, Glenn Williams, Mark Sherwood, Ken Vaisvil, and Dan Weinrich) of articles from mineral magazines there as well. I hope to see you there. The book and mineral auction viewing begins at 8:30am this Saturday at the St. Paul Church at 5508 Telegraph Rd. in South County. Cheers, Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 16 12:59:50 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Fri May 16 11:59:50 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Estate Book & Mineral Auction Reminder In-Reply-To: <20030515.230348.-339429.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <20030516185820.99782.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am sending this for two reasons. One is to remind folks that a large Estate Auction of Mineral and Rock Books as well as mineral specimens will be taking place this weekend in St. Louis, Missouri, USA. You can see details at; http://www.kcminerals.com/auction!.htm The owner was a serious collector who loved to read so he had many excellent mineral books as well as a complete set of Mineralogical Record Magazines. For the micro collector he did collect micros although I'm not sure what he had in his collection. There are two binocular microscopes available and I'm guessing the price on them and any micros will be low as there are almost no micro collector's here in the area. The second reason I am sending the notice is if there any list members coming to the auction let me know if you would like to stop by and look at my collection after it is over. My house is only about two miles down the road from the auction. In fact you could likely make an extra day out of the trip by stopping by all the area dealer collectors. There are four other fine collections within 5 miles of the event featuring many of the specimens which were featured in the Roacks and Minerals and the Mineralogical record magazine. Including the collection with the superb Millerite that was featured on the cover of the Missouri Issue of Rocks and Minerals Magazine. Keith Proctor has an eye on it as well as several other pieces in that collection. There will be three or five authors (Kevin Conroy, Glenn Williams, Mark Sherwood, Ken Vaisvil, and Dan Weinrich) of articles from mineral magazines there as well. I hope to see you there. The book and mineral auction viewing begins at 8:30am this Saturday at the St. Paul Church at 5508 Telegraph Rd. in South County. Cheers, Stan Perry www.emineralshow.com Our Gangue Minerals ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 16 15:48:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rocks4u) Date: Fri May 16 14:48:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rocks for sale Message-ID: <009f01c31bf5$775e44b0$2c721e43@s4b5j4> Long Term Rockhound selling out By Wes Lingerfelt =20 An old friend who has decided to give it all up has a collection of = Rocks, Slabs and Findings he would like to dispose of. All but one small = buffer machine has already been sold. His collection includes a 125 lb. = block of Prudhoe Bay Jade, Biggs Jasper, Montana Agate and many other = varieties. The rough rock is estimated to be approximately 500 lbs and = there are several hundred quality slabs. His overall estimate of total value is $5000.00 and he is asking = $2000.00 for the lot. If interested contact Mr. Woody Plauger at = 805-937-6800 in Santa Maria, California. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 16 22:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Fri May 16 21:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa Hounding References: <4127EB6F-849F-11D7-BE38-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: Folks, I'll be in Waverly, Iowa near Waterloo, Iowa the 2nd weekend of August. I would appreciate any information anyone could share on hounding sites for rocks, minerals, or fossils. Appreciate it, Tom From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 08:57:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 17 07:57:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad Message-ID: <19a.15144d9d.2bf7a79a@aol.com> I have 16 discounted copies of this book left for sale if you are interested= .=20 The photography is outstanding with many of the photos taken by Jeff Scovil.= =20 Subjects include left and right handedness, twinning, color, growth, types=20 and forms of crystals, scepter quartz, Japan Law Habit, Gwindel Quartz, and=20 many other interesting topics. I recently finished reading it and found it=20 enjoyable and extremely informative. It is well done and printed in the US. NEW RELEASE:=A0 Quartz: decoding messages from inside the earth. Hot off the= =20 presses. I was able to get several extra copies of this first edition,=20 limited edition (only 1,000 hard cover copies printed) lovely and interestin= g=20 new book. Written by Harold Dibble, copyrighted in 2002, and just printed in= =20 January. Here is how it reads on the inside flap of the dust jacket: "This=20 book breaks new ground in several ways. The internal structure of quartz=20 crystals are covered as well as its external forms. It describes many forms=20 of quartz crystals that have not been covered in previous books. The CD,=20 which is included, is an educational tool beyond anything that has been used= =20 before. It clearly illustrates the internal atomic arrangements and growth=20 mechanisms in a manner that the two-dimensional pages of a book cannot. The=20 specimens used in the book were not selected merely for their beauty, but fo= r=20 their unique qualities." The 178 photographs are very well done by such=20 top-notch photographers as Jeff Scovil and Rainer Bode. The format is 8 =BD=20= by=20 11 with 100 pages plus the Java Applet CD. List price is $55.00. My price is= =20 $47.50 plus $3 S/H.(no further discounts.) I can accept PayPal, Visa/MasterCard, or a personal check. Let me know if you are interested. Frank Frank J. Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 (970) 242-5255 the best time to call is evenings and weekends --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 10:46:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sat May 17 09:46:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad References: <19a.15144d9d.2bf7a79a@aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c31c91$fda524c0$c33e27c4@horstspc> Hi Frank, I am interested in your offer - I would want ONE book to be sent by SURFACE MAIL to my address in South Africa. If I am one of the lucky ones, will supply you with my VISA card number in case you no longer have it. (I ordered TWO books some weeks ago for Heini Slotau and Rainer Jaeckle). Kind regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad I have 16 discounted copies of this book left for sale if you are interested. The photography is outstanding with many of the photos taken by Jeff Scovil. Subjects include left and right handedness, twinning, color, growth, types and forms of crystals, scepter quartz, Japan Law Habit, Gwindel Quartz, and many other interesting topics. I recently finished reading it and found it enjoyable and extremely informative. It is well done and printed in the US. NEW RELEASE: Quartz: decoding messages from inside the earth. Hot off the presses. I was able to get several extra copies of this first edition, limited edition (only 1,000 hard cover copies printed) lovely and interesting new book. Written by Harold Dibble, copyrighted in 2002, and just printed in January. Here is how it reads on the inside flap of the dust jacket: "This book breaks new ground in several ways. The internal structure of quartz crystals are covered as well as its external forms. It describes many forms of quartz crystals that have not been covered in previous books. The CD, which is included, is an educational tool beyond anything that has been used before. It clearly illustrates the internal atomic arrangements and growth mechanisms in a manner that the two-dimensional pages of a book cannot. The specimens used in the book were not selected merely for their beauty, but for their unique qualities." The 178 photographs are very well done by such top-notch photographers as Jeff Scovil and Rainer Bode. The format is 8 ½ by 11 with 100 pages plus the Java Applet CD. List price is $55.00. My price is $47.50 plus $3 S/H.(no further discounts.) I can accept PayPal, Visa/MasterCard, or a personal check. Let me know if you are interested. Frank Frank J. Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 (970) 242-5255 the best time to call is evenings and weekends --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 14:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 17 13:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad Message-ID: <4a.1ce0cf58.2bf7f14c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/2003 10:46:37 AM Mountain Standard Time,=20 horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za writes: > Hi Frank, >=20 > I am interested in your offer - I would want ONE book to be sent by SURFAC= E > MAIL to my address in South Africa. If I am one of the lucky ones, will > supply you with my VISA card number in case you no longer have it. (I > ordered TWO books some weeks ago for Heini Slotau and Rainer Jaeckle). *****Hello Horst, I have your credit card information. What is the address? The postage will=20 be $8.75. Did the other books arrive all right? Frank >=20 > Kind regards, > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad >=20 >=20 > I have 16 discounted copies of this book left for sale if you are > interested. > The photography is outstanding with many of the photos taken by Jeff=20 > Scovil. > Subjects include left and right handedness, twinning, color, growth, types > and forms of crystals, scepter quartz, Japan Law Habit, Gwindel Quartz, an= d > many other interesting topics. I recently finished reading it and found it > enjoyable and extremely informative. It is well done and printed in the US= . >=20 > NEW RELEASE: Quartz: decoding messages from inside the earth. Hot off the > presses. I was able to get several extra copies of this first edition, > limited edition (only 1,000 hard cover copies printed) lovely and > interesting > new book. Written by Harold Dibble, copyrighted in 2002, and just printed=20 > in > January. Here is how it reads on the inside flap of the dust jacket: "This > book breaks new ground in several ways. The internal structure of quartz > crystals are covered as well as its external forms. It describes many form= s > of quartz crystals that have not been covered in previous books. The CD, > which is included, is an educational tool beyond anything that has been=20 > used > before. It clearly illustrates the internal atomic arrangements and growth > mechanisms in a manner that the two-dimensional pages of a book cannot. Th= e > specimens used in the book were not selected merely for their beauty, but > for > their unique qualities." The 178 photographs are very well done by such > top-notch photographers as Jeff Scovil and Rainer Bode. The format is 8=20= =BD=20 > by > 11 with 100 pages plus the Java Applet CD. List price is $55.00. My price=20 > is > $47.50 plus $3 S/H.(no further discounts.) >=20 > I can accept PayPal, Visa/MasterCard, or a personal check. >=20 > Let me know if you are interested. >=20 > Frank >=20 > Frank J. Daniels, publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 > (970) 242-5255 > the best time to call is evenings and weekends >=20 >=20 > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >=20 Frank J. Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 (970) 242-5255 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 15:10:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Sat May 17 14:10:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <5523820.1052941830338.JavaMail.nobody@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Blue Grass Gem & Mineral Club's 40th Annual Gem & Mineral Show this weekend in Lexington, KY. Free admission! My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! I will have several new items from the Tucson shows including a few nice brazilianites from Telirio Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst (Melody's "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several interesting quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. Also, I have some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big Indian Mine, La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look! Dates: Saturday and Sunday, May 17-18, 2003 Hours: Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 11:00 am - 5:00 pm Location: Shrine Oleika Temple 326 Southland Dr. Lexington, KY Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my addiction with other dealers! John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 15:35:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Sat May 17 14:35:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <5523820.1052941830338.JavaMail.nobody@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3EC6AB3F.4061EBC0@epix.net> Hi John, How long has your show been free admission and how many others have free admission? Thanks Bob http://uvbob.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Teague wrote: > > Greetings! > > I would like to remind members of the list about the > Blue Grass Gem & Mineral Club's 40th Annual Gem & > Mineral Show this weekend in Lexington, KY. Free > admission! > > My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table > coverings! I will have several new items from the Tucson > shows including a few nice brazilianites from Telirio > Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst (Melody's > "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several interesting > quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. Also, I have > some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big Indian Mine, > La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look! > > Dates: Saturday and Sunday, May 17-18, 2003 > > Hours: Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm > Sunday - 11:00 am - 5:00 pm > > Location: Shrine Oleika Temple > 326 Southland Dr. > Lexington, KY > > Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce > yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you > can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my > addiction with other dealers! > > John Teague > Volunteer Gems > Knoxville, Tennessee > http://www.VolunteerGems.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 16:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Sat May 17 15:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <5523820.1052941830338.JavaMail.nobody@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <3EC6AB3F.4061EBC0@epix.net> Message-ID: <3EC6BA43.63EC4B01@epix.net> Hi again, While we are at it, What is the range of prices charged by clubs to dealers at shows for an 8 foot table? Thanks again, Bob http://uvbob.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi John, > > How long has your show been free admission and how many others > have free admission? > > Thanks > Bob > > http://uvbob.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > John Teague wrote: > > > > Greetings! > > > > I would like to remind members of the list about the > > Blue Grass Gem & Mineral Club's 40th Annual Gem & > > Mineral Show this weekend in Lexington, KY. Free > > admission! > > > > My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table > > coverings! I will have several new items from the Tucson > > shows including a few nice brazilianites from Telirio > > Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst (Melody's > > "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several interesting > > quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. Also, I have > > some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big Indian Mine, > > La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look! > > > > Dates: Saturday and Sunday, May 17-18, 2003 > > > > Hours: Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm > > Sunday - 11:00 am - 5:00 pm > > > > Location: Shrine Oleika Temple > > 326 Southland Dr. > > Lexington, KY > > > > Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce > > yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you > > can't live without. And then I'll have more to spend on my > > addiction with other dealers! > > > > John Teague > > Volunteer Gems > > Knoxville, Tennessee > > http://www.VolunteerGems.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 17 23:43:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Sat May 17 22:43:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] In Memory of Walt Bowser and Support of Jane Davis Message-ID: <3EC71D67.9040500@cox.net> Dear Family, Friends, and Internet Pals, Tonight I have committed to a personal leap of Faith. I have decided to participate in the following. I know I will have to train extensively, and of course I am aware of my Senior Citizen status, but I will do it. I joined my local Y in January and have worked up to 1.5 miles at 3 MPH. That translates to an 8 hour walk for me. If you are in the area, I invite you to join me for a portion. I could use both the company and the support. In November, I'll be participating in a very special event called the Breast Cancer 3-Day. I'll walk 60 miles over the course of three days with thousands of other women and men. The net proceeds will support breast cancer research, education, screening and treatment through the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation and the National Philanthropic Trust. I've agreed to raise at least $2,000 in donations by October. I've set my personal goal at $4,000. So I need your help. Would you please consider making a donation of $anything. Please take a look at the enclosed donation form and designate the amount that's right for you. Please keep in mind how far I'm walking -- and how hard I'll have to train. According to the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, approximately 200,000 American women will be diagnosed with breast cancer this year, and nearly 40,000 will die from the disease. That's why I'm walking so far. To do something bold about breast cancer. I hope that you'll share this incredible adventure with me -- by supporting me in my fundraising efforts. Thank you in advance for your generosity! fondly, Terrie CLICK HERE to visit my personal web page and help me in my efforts to support the Breast Cancer 3-Day ****************************************************************************** Some email systems do not support the use of links and therefore this link may not appear to work. If so, copy and paste the following into your browser: ****************************************************************************** TERESA MASTERS --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 18 07:30:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stan Perry) Date: Sun May 18 06:30:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3EC6BA43.63EC4B01@epix.net> Message-ID: <20030518132940.62285.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Currently shows here in St. Louis, Missouri average about $75-85 per table. The fees vary a lot from $25 a table for an outdoor festival type arrangement to over $250 per table for The Holiday Inn 2001 in Denver (usually increased by 20% per year). Cheers, Stan --- Robert McGuire wrote: > Hi again, > > While we are at it, What is the range of prices > charged by clubs > to dealers at shows for an 8 foot table? > > Thanks again, > Bob > http://uvbob.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > How long has your show been free admission and how > many others > > have free admission? > > > > Thanks > > Bob > > > > http://uvbob.com > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > John Teague wrote: > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > I would like to remind members of the list about > the > > > Blue Grass Gem & Mineral Club's 40th Annual Gem > & > > > Mineral Show this weekend in Lexington, KY. > Free > > > admission! > > > > > > My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange > table > > > coverings! I will have several new items from > the Tucson > > > shows including a few nice brazilianites from > Telirio > > > Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst > (Melody's > > > "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several > interesting > > > quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. > Also, I have > > > some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big > Indian Mine, > > > La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look! > > > > > > Dates: Saturday and Sunday, May 17-18, 2003 > > > > > > Hours: Saturday -10:00 am - 7:00 pm > > > Sunday - 11:00 am - 5:00 pm > > > > > > Location: Shrine Oleika Temple > > > 326 Southland Dr. > > > Lexington, KY > > > > > > Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" > and introduce > > > yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I > have that you > > > can't live without. And then I'll have more to > spend on my > > > addiction with other dealers! > > > > > > John Teague > > > Volunteer Gems > > > Knoxville, Tennessee > > > http://www.VolunteerGems.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 18 10:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Sun May 18 09:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? Message-ID: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> =20 So, How Did Your Day Begin? 5/9/2003 =20 =20 "Hi John, I also woke feeling less than exemplary - we'll be quite the pair. I = think I didn't sleep past 4:30. But I am on a caffeine and = paleo-anticipating wind-up. I have a great feeling about today! Casey" =20 This was the reply Casey sent to me after reading my message detailing = the groggy state of mind I'd woken under. I read the email and then = deleted it, not thinking a second longer of it. And now today, 5/10, I = can't get its cryptic message out of my mind. "I have a great feeling = about today!".=20 =20 Both Casey and I were pumped up to get back to one of our favorite = fossil sites along the beaches of Washington's, Strait of Juan de Fuca. = Just days before on 5/6, I'd had an awesome outing, collecting with my = dog, Buddy. Among the more common(!) fossil treasures found were, = starfish platelets (5), brittlestar coquina plates (2), leaf print slabs = (1), water rounded chunks of whale bone (1), and several different = snails, crabs and a nautiloid. To make things fair and to keep my load = balanced mineral and fossil-wise, I also brought out several calcite = after aragonite pseudomorphs too. Of these treasures, while significant, = their luster has somewhat faded in favor of hoped for new discoveries. = And not to be denied, that's exactly what I got! One of the first of = these was discovering fossilized fish scales hidden among some of the = leaf slabs I'd split. They glistened as pale brownish-gold discs among = the black prints of the leaves. This is an exciting discovery for us as = with study, we'll hopefully determine the identity of the fish and thus = identify their potential depth habitat. This information may help to = unravel some of the mysteries surrounding this extraordinary site and = why we're finding the things we do here. However, once examined under = the microscope, the scales revealed their calcite replaced disappointing = preservation. Of the 7 scales I brought out, not a one is perfect enough = for this characterization and we'll have to continue our exploration in = hopes of discovering superior quality specimens. And so, while somewhat = disappointing, another preservation scenario unfolds potentially = allowing us another subtle glimpse into the watery world existing here = nearly 27 million years before.=20 =20 Another wonderful discovery of special significance involves two new = crabs I additionally found. In total, I recovered four plates with what = appears to be three different species of crab and of these, only one has = been found by us at this site previously. For me, the coolest of the two = new crabs is a sweet little hermit crab partially enclosed within its = stolen snail home. The shell is quite small and about 3/8's of an inch = long. Under the microscope the crustaceans detail where it exits the = shell is sharp and enchanting. This is potentially a very important crab = and quite possibly may even represent another new crab species. We'll = hopefully learn more with a complete and detailed examination. Also = recovered was a decent sized multi-inch slab which is partially split to = expose a 4 inch long crab leg disappearing into the matrix. This = represents a very large crab completely new to me as it's currently = revealed. With preparation tools we'll remove the overlying matrix to = expose the remaining length of leg and with hope, fingers crossed, we'll = additionally uncover the hidden body of the crab too. Exciting times = ahead! Four other crabs of an as yet undetermined species which occurs = much more prevalently at this site were also found. As with the leg = previously mentioned, preparation as yet awaits. And so, there you have = it. This was the fuel fanning our fossil fire. With high hopes of making = more thrilling discoveries, Casey and I made plans to hit the beach. And = again, not to be denied, that's exactly what we did.=20 =20 The morning of May 9th may have began with our lackluster emails, but it = only got better. Casey arrived at the house around noon and we perused = the treasures I'd found just days before. Casey was excited and I could = tell, antsy to get out and on the beach. Buddy and I were only too happy = to oblige and we were all soon on the road and heading west. This area = of Clallam County is lush and green from frequent western Washington = rains and yet today, it was absolutely beautiful out. The sun was bright = and shining and the wind was mostly subdued and calm. We parked, = unpacked, loaded up and were soon hoofing it down the trail leading = towards this special section of beach. Casey had made the initial = discoveries here some years before which really got us going. Among his = first finds were five amazing fossil starfish he'd discovered weathering = out naturally upon the surface of a massive slab of rock. Casey whittled = this block down to a manageable 80 pound monster and then hiked it out = and drove it over to my place for Show and Tell. Needless to say, this = incredible specimen with its five exposed stars was awesome and it was = all that was needed to sway me into sharing his collecting adventures in = this new area. And as they say, the rest is history. For the last three = years, this locality has been my most often visited locality among all = those I collect, either mineral or fossil. This is a pattern that is = well on the way to repeating again this year as totally, I've made 24 = collecting trips this year, 16 of them to this most special of places. = In the 43 collecting trips I made total last year, 16 of them were to = this place and this was my most frequented locality collected for that = entire year, obviously I'm well on the way to beating this last year's = past performance! =20 Once down on the beach, we started our short 1/2 mile hike west to the = area we'd planned on working. With the minus tide we had today, a = million rocks were exposed as one looked beyond the beach sands towards = the waves breaking over a hundred yards away. Many of these rocks lay in = distinct arched, half-moon rings which extended outward from the green = flanked hills surrounding. These are the remnants of old landslides and = these ring-like structures mark the foot of these ancient slides. A vast = majority of the rocks exposed dotting the tidelands were transported = there as a result of these processes and natural erosion. Many of the = fossils we find here were also transported in this fashion from higher = elevations. Culverts, old in-line 6-cylinder engines and other types of = roadside trash from the highway above additionally dot the beach = reflecting the vast amounts of earth that can be displaced during these = intense geologic episodes. =20 We moved quickly towards our favorite starfish hot spot and it's here = that we dropped our packs and began ranging, working the beach shingle = for treasure. In the shingle we hoped to find fossil starfish, these = have been recovered as flat, plate-like calcite replacements hinting at = sharp, brilliant anatomical detail. The specimens found to date begin as = 1/2 inch tabs a 1/4 of an inch thick and range up to sizes in the 3 x 3 = x 1/4 inch range. It's our belief that these platelets represent the = same species of starfish exposed on Casey's original starfish plate = mentioned earlier and found several years before. Other matrix slabs = containing fossil starfish have also been found from this locality and = with preparation, we anticipate some of this States finest starfish = fossils to eventually come to light. Fossil brittlestar coquina plates = are also a highly coveted prize from here and unlike the starfish = previously mentioned, I actually found one of these on this trip. This = is a great piece measuring approximately 3 x 4 inches across and 5/8's = of an inch thick. Brittlestars are exposed on both the top and the = bottom surfaces of the specimen representing thousands of individuals = which together make up the entire plate. They, like the starfish, are = replaced by calcite and offer much as potentially important and = aesthetic specimens. The only downside to this preservation scenario is = that many of the surface features and details have been effectively = removed through the abrasive tidal action within the environment where = they've become exposed. It is hoped that preparation techniques can be = employed to revive the appearances of these loose, rare specimens. =20 Many and varied are the other treasures which can additionally be found = here, among those recovered on this trip were one extremely water worn = whale vertebra showing an abundance of attractive chalcedony filled = marrow chambers, two choice, under one inch, "X" twin pseudomorphs of = calcite after aragonite, and a partially agatized 2 x 3 inch snail. And = then, Casey says, "Hey John, take a look at this!" And May 9th's cool = factor goes right over the top! While walking about, Casey spotted a = white mass stretched across a gray slab of clay among the other rocks of = the beach, as he approached, a smile spread across his face. Casey had = just found a truly monster sized claw, two inches across and at least = five inches long. This is much more massive then the larger claws we've = discovered from here previously and it really is an impressive specimen. = Additionally, where the leg enters into the matrix, there is the = appearance of continuing fossilization, and while it's really too much = to hope that the body may also be enclosed therein, why not dream? Who = knows what's to be found? Only through the careful removal of the = overlying matrix will this answer be resolved and I for one can't wait = for the day! This specimen really helped to set the pace, a true = champion discovery made from the loose shingle, and an inspiration for = continuing successes.=20 =20 With the surface areas surrounding fairly well searched, our next = discoveries would come from carefully dissecting large rock slabs = following the time honored, tried and true method utilizing hammer and = steel. Large blocks lay scattered about and their surface features = commonly hinted at treasures enclosed within, black carbon cross = sections of leaves and barnacle covered beach woods, bright chalk-white = swirling snail shells, clams, cephalopods and an assortment of other = fascinating fossil remains. These occurred throughout many of the blocks = in varying levels of concentration and it's upon these layers that we = attempted to split most studiously. This often occurred with varying = success, some rocks and layers refused to split and would only chunk out = masses of broken rock torn raggedly from around their periphery. Others = would split like a dream, usually to expose a layer devoid of any = fossils whatsoever! But, undaunted, we continued, and with perseverance = we again started making discoveries worthy of the name. Among those = first treasures found were more fish scales. Casey had great luck with = these while I only managed one more inferior specimen. Mine, as were = those others I've previously collected, was cleaved apart as the rock = was split, effectively destroying any identifying patterns which may = have been preserved. Even so, these specimens will prove exciting = additions to my kids stock and they will not be wasted.=20 =20 While splitting one of these leaf layers, I came across an attractive, = partially carbonized chunk of beach wood additionally enhanced by = pyrite. The chunk has beautiful, bamboo-mimicking rods of pyrite running = throughout its mass. The swollen joints along the pyrites bamboo-like = lengths are in fact brightly reflecting crystal faces all formed in = perfect parallel orientation. Where exposed, these features are = rhythmically repeated in every rod. One other large crab claw was also = found extending into the matrix hinting again of buried treasures and = then that was it, the day was winding down. In defiance, I was still = rambling about, hesitating to begin packing, when Casey started down the = beach and then stopped beside and began working a massive slab = approximately four feet wide by eight feet long and three feet thick. It = was soon thereafter that the entire flavor of the day changed from = rewarding to incredible! Over this last Winter, several monstrous slabs had broken free and fell = down onto the beach sands below, repeating an age old process of = resupplying the beach with more fossil treasures. With such a large part = of our day involving splitting slabs, Casey upon encountering one of = these, decided to split apart a thick layer of mussels which was exposed = on the blocks edges to satisfy his curiosity regarding this material. = And boy, oh boy, was I glad he did! He took his chisel and placed it = into a crack within the heart of the mussel layer, driving it inward = with each successive hammer blow. It was while he was doing this that I = came up. As the last blows fell, one large and several smaller pieces = split free perfectly from the main mass. Placing his tools aside, Casey = grabbed the edges of the largest plate and turned it over and I just = about had a cow. I just plain wasn't prepared to see what so casually = presented itself to our hungry gazes, this was just too cool, just too = impressive. Before us lay a plate about fourteen inches across and three = inches thick, upon its surface lay a solid mat of two inch long, one = inch wide golden shelled mussels aligned in a parallel direction and = shining like magic in the afternoon sun. It was awesome. In expectant = anticipation, Casey reached out and turned over the other lesser pieces = which had also broken free and was thrilled to see the same beautiful = golden fossils covering these plates in as solid a mass. With these = pieces in hand, Casey joked, "I think I've got a full pack!", and all I = could do was stare at the shells exposed upon the massive blocks = surface. Man, to think that we'd walked by these blocks for months. In = horror I shuddered, wondering what other treasures I was so innocently = missing. While all this was running through my mind, Casey was all a chatter = while wrapping and packing his newly won treasures, obviously very = happy. In a weakened voice, I croaked out, "Casey, can I go for a piece = of this too?". And Casey, being the great guy that he is, says, "Sure = John, go ahead". After this, with my heart a'racing, my pack flew from = my back and my tools leapt into my hands and I was 100% ready for = business, my game face falling into place. Steadying the bass drum in my = chest, I took several breathes and sized up the rock and my expectations = of it. Casey's piece had come out very well and of a wonderful size, I = was hoping for the same results, only on a larger scale. A readily = separating, weathering plane had presented itself to Casey on the outer = edge of the rock and he strategically used this to his advantage in = splitting out his pieces. Where I was to begin working, further, deeper = into the rock, this line of separation had turned solid. With this easy = access removed, my first work centered on removing a hard, dense layer = of rock overlying and weathering apart from the main rock several inches = above the actual fossil layer I was working towards. I worked this away = by driving chisels between the two surfaces where they most easily = parted and then cast these chunks of junk away. My thought was to = liberate the top of my hoped for plate so that it would split unhindered = without pressure from above. To do this, I cleared a roughly two and a = half by three and a half foot area of this undesired overburden. And = then I had to think about my next steps, how best to proceed. After = several testing, half hearted attempts at splitting the plate free from = the sides, it became obvious that this would not work if I wanted the = entire piece complete. So changing focus, I worked towards again = removing unwanted pressure from the plate by carving a wide channel deep = into the plate at its furthest back edge where I hoped to split to if in = a perfect world. As I cut this channel, I did so while always back = cutting into the main rocks mass rather then towards the plate in hopes = of keeping this area solid and unfractured. With this several minute = duty accomplished, I next began chiseling into the fossil layer along = this new cut and then moved along this and around the hoped for plates = circumference in shallow cuts until like a dream, eventually, the plate = cracked clean and separated as a monstrous single plate two feet wide = and three feet long! Wiping the sweat away, I set my tools aside and = went to grasp and wrench the plate completely free when Casey asked for = me to wait while he got the camera ready to record the moment. After = this anxious pause, I pulled and then pressed upwards raising the plate = onto its edge in a single soft flowing motion while wishing and hoping = that the plate would not collapse under the new pressures being exerted = upon it. And then that was it, steady, its solid weight resting in my = hands, with nary a thought in my mind, I crept up to look over the gray = surface facing me, into a golden hued fairy land where hundreds of = golden shelled fossil mussels lay spread before me, one of the most = beautiful paleontological sites I've ever beheld. This was what Casey = must have meant when he said, I have a great feeling about today! Man' = oh man, he just wasn't a'kidding!=20 Casey and I filled the next several minutes with high praises and the = sound of clicking cameras. This is beyond a doubt, one of the largest = plates of these fossil mussels ever recovered and may even be larger = then anything currently residing within The Burke Museum, Washington = State's Museum of Natural History and Culture on the University of = Washington campus in Seattle, this is a true wonder, a truly inspiring = and heart racing slab of northwest fossil history and it had come to be = because of Casey's inquisitiveness and generosity. What a great day, an = incredible day!=20 =20 But now, what to do? Here I had this monster plate and absolutely no way = to get it out. This worried me to no end, but with little else to do, I = hauled it up and into the woods above the high tide line. After this, = both Casey and I loaded up and headed out. On the way, Casey remembered = a rope he had with him in the car and offered to let me borrow this if I = thought it would help. I jumped at the idea and was soon hoofing it up = the trail in anticipation of a quick return trip. At the car, Casey = pulled the rope out and bid me adieu as I set off back towards the = beach. I'd emptied my pack of everything not essential while at the = truck and as I fairly skipped down the beach, I knew I could get it, I = knew I'd be able to carry this most special piece home! Back near where = I'd hidden the plate, I found a more or less flat log to set the pack = upon and tied the rope to its frame, then I retrieved the plate and = carefully set it down upon the pack, squishing it into a flattened, = hikeable position. Next the rope was tied around the plate to support it = solidly against the pack so as to allow zero movement either from side = to side or from top to bottom. With everything in place, awaiting only = the actual uprighting and shouldering of my load, I purposely took = several minutes to just relax, to enjoy the moment. The tides were = slowly making their way in and the sun was setting in soft rosy hues = further west. The gulls were awing and a bald eagle perched majestically = near the top of an old fir above me. Vancouver Island stretches before = me across twenty-five miles of open water, an entirely different = country, and yet so very close. The wind blew softly and rustled the = leaves behind me and I thought now, now's the time to do it, and I = pulled the pack up and slipped my arms through the shoulder straps, = tested the weight, shifted subtly, and then stepped up and crossed my = fingers, placing the entire weight of the slab against the ropes and = against my spine. And thankfully, neither broke! I'd brought my two = walking sticks from the truck and used these to steady myself as I = crossed the shifting sands and slippery seaweed stretches separating me = from the trailhead. The trail out is all uphill and much of it is a = muddy mess, my pace may not have been the quickest, but after several = minutes hiking, accompanied by several periods of gasping breaths, I = eventually and quite satisfyingly made it back to the truck.=20 =20 Once there, I dropped the tailgate and gently set down the pack, = rotating it on edge down to a flat lying position. I then slid it into = the truck and then closed her up. I'd had an incredible day spent = happily in the field and shared it with my friend, and with Buddy too! = And so now, here I am several days later tapping away at the keyboard = recording another collecting adventure. The plate is lying on one of the = work tables down in the rock room and it's a big ol' impressive son of a = gun. I'm not sure what we'll do with it, perhaps we'll donate it or who = knows, maybe we'll even mount it here for display. Lots of options and = any way, it's not like this will be the last pieces we'll collect. = There's still lots of material left in that one slab, let alone the = others there which are still virgin and untouched. Yup, like I said = earlier, this is one of my most favorite localities and one which I feel = very fortunate to collect. Especially on those days when Casey has a = great feeling! All the very best, take care, John =20 Dedicated to my friend, Casey Burns, thanks for all of the great days in = the field, --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 18 13:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sun May 18 12:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad References: <4a.1ce0cf58.2bf7f14c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c31d6d$e8a6eb80$814127c4@horstspc> Hi Frank, Thanks for your message. My address is P.O. Box 17273 Groenkloof SOUTH AFRICA 0027. Please indicate on parcel slip (2nd hand book, no commercial value) and DO NOT include an invoice with the parcel. This saves on Customs Duty and VAT (Value added tax which is 14% at the moment). Spoke to Rainer Jaeckle on the phone this morning. His book has arrived safely and he has paid me. Still have to check out Heini Soltau in Luderitz. will drop him an e-mail tomorrow. (First want to check at the bank, possibly he has paid his money straight into my account). Rainer is busy writing examinations at the moment, so has as yet had no time to study the book, just look at the book with its good photographs. The reading of the text will have to wait a week or two. Kind regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad In a message dated 5/17/2003 10:46:37 AM Mountain Standard Time, horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za writes: > Hi Frank, > > I am interested in your offer - I would want ONE book to be sent by SURFACE > MAIL to my address in South Africa. If I am one of the lucky ones, will > supply you with my VISA card number in case you no longer have it. (I > ordered TWO books some weeks ago for Heini Slotau and Rainer Jaeckle). *****Hello Horst, I have your credit card information. What is the address? The postage will be $8.75. Did the other books arrive all right? 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Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 (970) 242-5255 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 18 13:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 18 12:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad Message-ID: In a message dated 5/18/2003 1:01:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, horstwindisch@freemail.absa.co.za writes: > Hi Frank, > > Thanks for your message. My address is P.O. Box 17273 > Groenkloof > SOUTH AFRICA > 0027. > > Please indicate on parcel slip (2nd hand book, no commercial value) and DO > NOT include an invoice with the parcel. This saves on Customs Duty and VAT > (Value added tax which is 14% at the moment). *****Sorry but I cannot do this. I am an attorney and something like that could cost me my license. I am always honest. Do you still want it knowing I have to declare the actual value of $47.50? Frank J. Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 (970) 242-5255 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 18 13:34:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Sun May 18 12:34:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> Message-ID: <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> John, This Field Trip report of yours has to be the most fascinating one I have read. I thank you so very much for taking the time to share your "Incredible Day." Whatever you finally do with your plate, please print out your wonderful words, have a wooden plaque made of them, and keep the two together. Long after we have all become fossils on our own, your discovery and words will enrich generations way into the future. Thank you so very much for making the day wonderful for me. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 06:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon May 19 05:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <20030518132940.62285.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EC8CAC8.000007.01204@anitaw.library.emory.edu> The Georgia Mineral Society does two shows a year. We do one at the Cobb Civic Center in May and the table fee is around $80.00. The North Atlanta Trade Center show in December is $100.00 a table. Both venues are large a= nd the rental fee we pay is enormous. 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Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.=0D http://search.yahoo.com=0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 14:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Mon May 19 13:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine References: <20030518132940.62285.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <3EC8CAC8.000007.01204@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <010701c31e40$42be16c0$3f9c76d5@pandora.be> Hi All, A friend of mine is going to Utah and is interested in visiting the "Bingham Canyon Open Pit Copper Mine" near Salt Lake City. Is this a "viewpoint only" experience, or are there tours conducted for interested visitors ? Any info is highly appreciated. Sincerely, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 15:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Mon May 19 14:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality Message-ID: Folks: A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his long years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica slinkies, from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. Included in these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light green elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all the prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. Can anyone suggest the actual locality? Paul Gilmore Andover, MA _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:08:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe) Date: Mon May 19 15:08:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> Message-ID: <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy e mail list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "TA Masters" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > John, > This Field Trip report of yours has to be the most fascinating one I > have read. I thank you so very much for taking the time to share your > "Incredible Day." > > Whatever you finally do with your plate, please print out your wonderful > words, have a wooden plaque made of them, and keep the two together. > Long after we have all become fossils on our own, your discovery and > words will enrich generations way into the future. > > Thank you so very much for making the day wonderful for me. > Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:27:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Mon May 19 15:27:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> Message-ID: <3EC95A29.5020009@earthlink.net> Joe wrote: >Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy >e mail list? > Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being exposed to such drivel. First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to its initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect. Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. Activate by pressing the blue button. The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release button. The opening is self- adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin- Eliminator to its storage position. You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator. If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin- Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call button on the right of the evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his control panel. To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe normally. The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in their container. If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested. After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation you wish to change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind you. Barring that, you could read the bottom of *any* email that you receive from the group. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:37:36 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 19 15:37:36 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good riddance! In-Reply-To: <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030519123331.02962e00@mail.aloha.net> At 12:04 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: >Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy >e mail list? Dear Joe, I'm sure Aaron can tell you. To my knowledge you've never graced us with your valuable words, so I have no way to evaluate them. I can say that crude criticism is unnecessary, unwarranted, and unkind. If you consider us "soppy" and useless, we are more than happy to see you go. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:41:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon May 19 15:41:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good riddance! References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030519123331.02962e00@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <0b5e01c31e57$bc59dde0$8fca94d1@remains> geez...here it starts again................ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Good riddance! > At 12:04 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: > > >Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy > >e mail list? > > Dear Joe, > > I'm sure Aaron can tell you. To my knowledge you've never graced us with > your valuable words, so I have no way to evaluate them. I can say that > crude criticism is unnecessary, unwarranted, and unkind. If you consider > us "soppy" and useless, we are more than happy to see you go. Good > riddance to bad rubbish. > > Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:42:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 19 15:42:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? In-Reply-To: <3EC95A29.5020009@earthlink.net> References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030519125404.03c30ec0@mail.aloha.net> Oh, Mr. Dave Guin your reply is priceless! Did you make it up yourself? What wonderful useless wordy words!!! Thank you for a good laugh! Aloha, Kitty At 12:26 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: >Joe wrote: > >>Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy >>e mail list? >Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being exposed >to such drivel. > >First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing > Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be > the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System > A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, > depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be > dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you > have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by > the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one > inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. > > The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated > by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring > back to its initial condition, so that the two orange lines > meet. Disconnect. > > Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the > rear. Activate by pressing the blue button. > > The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. > The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into > position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing > the blue manual release button. The opening is self- > adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which > simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin- > Eliminator to its storage position. > > You may log off if the green exit light is on over the > evaporator. If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin- > Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. > Press the "List Guy" call button on the right of the > evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his control > panel. > > To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your > clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers > located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, > taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your > upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. > Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated > immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired > setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe > normally. > > The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes > unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by > flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue > "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may > leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in > their container. > > If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated > blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings > A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has > three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the > medium setting is suggested. > > After these settings have been made, you can activate the > device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked > red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation you wish to > change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in > the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the > cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and > have lunch. Please close the door behind you. > >Barring that, you could read the bottom of *any* email that you receive >from the group. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:55:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon May 19 15:55:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030519125404.03c30ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: The problem has been resolved. Sorry about the hassle. Can I save this for inclusion under the FAQ, if I ever get back to it? Properly attributed, of course. Aaron (who's absolutely slammed with work. Who knew grad school would be so busy?) > >Joe wrote: > > > >>Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy > >>e mail list? > >Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being exposed > >to such drivel. > > > >First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing > > Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be > > the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System > > A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, > > depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be > > dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you > > have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox "You can fix anything with a big enough hammer and a lot of duct tape" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 16:57:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon May 19 15:57:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030519125404.03c30ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: LOL, it must be a slooow day at work to spend that much time on a rude idiot. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > Oh, Mr. Dave Guin your reply is priceless! Did you make it up > yourself? What wonderful useless wordy words!!! > Thank you for a good laugh! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 12:26 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: > > >Joe wrote: > > > >>Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, > uselessly wordy > >>e mail list? > >Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into > being exposed > >to such drivel. > > > >First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing > > Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be > > the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System > > A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, > > depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be > > dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you > > have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by > > the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one > > inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. > > > > The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated > > by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring > > back to its initial condition, so that the two orange lines > > meet. Disconnect. > > > > Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the > > rear. Activate by pressing the blue button. > > > > The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. > > The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into > > position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing > > the blue manual release button. The opening is self- > > adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which > > simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin- > > Eliminator to its storage position. > > > > You may log off if the green exit light is on over the > > evaporator. If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin- > > Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. > > Press the "List Guy" call button on the right of the > > evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his control > > panel. > > > > To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your > > clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers > > located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, > > taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your > > upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. > > Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated > > immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired > > setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe > > normally. > > > > The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes > > unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by > > flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue > > "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may > > leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in > > their container. > > > > If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated > > blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings > > A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has > > three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the > > medium setting is suggested. > > > > After these settings have been made, you can activate the > > device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked > > red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation you wish to > > change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in > > the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the > > cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and > > have lunch. Please close the door behind you. > > > >Barring that, you could read the bottom of *any* email that you receive > >from the group. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 17:06:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 19 16:06:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? Message-ID: <1cd.9e1e4a1.2bfabd25@aol.com> How the hell do I get off this list too? I'm sick and tired of reading about rocks and people who love rocks and dream of rocks. You old fat people sitting on sloppy lawn chairs with picks and handles makes me want to puke my guts out. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 17:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Mon May 19 16:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> Message-ID: <004601c31e61$295b34d0$16a3dccf@rockman> To All Those Who Have Responded, Thank you very much for taking the time to write. I've never professed to be a good writer and to be honest Joe, your not the first to have found complaint regarding my writing "style". Personally, barring outright attack, I welcome any and all comments and criticisms. Perhaps with these critiques I'll become a better writer, but, in the mean time, I'll just keep on chopping away at this ol' keyboard in hopes that my writings may yield a smile or a moments thought. I love this exciting world of our hobby and I'm going to be here for a long, long time. This is a good list Joe and there are many wonderful people who participate on it, for these reasons if for no other, I'd reccommend you reconsider unsubscribing, when my emails come your way just hit delete, other messages are perhaps more worthy. No flames. All comments and critiques welcome (because to be honest, it's better then the silence). All the best to everyone. Sincerely yours, John Cornish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy > e mail list? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TA Masters" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > John, > > This Field Trip report of yours has to be the most fascinating one I > > have read. I thank you so very much for taking the time to share your > > "Incredible Day." > > > > Whatever you finally do with your plate, please print out your wonderful > > words, have a wooden plaque made of them, and keep the two together. > > Long after we have all become fossils on our own, your discovery and > > words will enrich generations way into the future. > > > > Thank you so very much for making the day wonderful for me. > > Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 18:30:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 19 17:30:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? In-Reply-To: <004601c31e61$295b34d0$16a3dccf@rockman> References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030519141554.0295f5e0@mail.aloha.net> Hey, John, I enjoyed your report very much, partly because we used to live in the Puget Sound area, and I spent many youthful years combing beaches in the San Juan Islands (my parents used to own Obstruction Island---that's right, all 211 acres of it---back in the 1950's). I especially liked the part where you described pausing to savor the moment, the view, the bald eagle. I could almost smell that wonderful combination aroma of Douglas fir, madrona trees, salt water and seaweed found in all too few places in the world. Joe wasn't giving you constructive writing criticism, John; he was putting down the whole list, so we laugh at him. The joy of being a rockhound is partly the love of rocks, minerals and fossils themselves--their beauty, their mystery, the amazing things they reveal to us---and partly the satisfaction in the process of hunting, collecting, cleaning, working and displaying them. You described the hunting and collecting part, and that surely is more rewarding then just walking into a rock shop or buying over the Internet (though I've been known to do a lot of that too)! If we don't enjoy and appreciate the process, and take time to share that experience with others (like writing about it to this list) we're missing out on a lot. At least Joe certainly is!!! Keep on sharing, John. Aloha, Kitty At 01:48 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: >To All Those Who Have Responded, > >Thank you very much for taking the time to write. I've never professed to be >a good writer and to be honest Joe, your not the first to have found >complaint regarding my writing "style". Personally, barring outright attack, >I welcome any and all comments and criticisms. Perhaps with these critiques >I'll become a better writer, but, in the mean time, I'll just keep on >chopping away at this ol' keyboard in hopes that my writings may yield a >smile or a moments thought. I love this exciting world of our hobby and I'm >going to be here for a long, long time. This is a good list Joe and there >are many wonderful people who participate on it, for these reasons if for no >other, I'd reccommend you reconsider unsubscribing, when my emails come your >way just hit delete, other messages are perhaps more worthy. No flames. All >comments and critiques welcome (because to be honest, it's better then the >silence). All the best to everyone. Sincerely yours, > >John Cornish >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:04 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly >wordy > > e mail list? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TA Masters" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 3:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > > > > John, > > > This Field Trip report of yours has to be the most fascinating one I > > > have read. I thank you so very much for taking the time to share your > > > "Incredible Day." > > > > > > Whatever you finally do with your plate, please print out your wonderful > > > words, have a wooden plaque made of them, and keep the two together. > > > Long after we have all become fossils on our own, your discovery and > > > words will enrich generations way into the future. > > > > > > Thank you so very much for making the day wonderful for me. > > > Teresa > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 19:09:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Mon May 19 18:09:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine Message-ID: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564BDE@exchangewv1.atk.com> It is only a view point experience. Lived there for 50 years. Never in the working pit. -----Original Message----- From: herwig pelckmans [mailto:herwig.pelckmans@pandora.be] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:53 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine Hi All, A friend of mine is going to Utah and is interested in visiting the "Bingham Canyon Open Pit Copper Mine" near Salt Lake City. Is this a "viewpoint only" experience, or are there tours conducted for interested visitors ? Any info is highly appreciated. Sincerely, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 19:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon May 19 18:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine In-Reply-To: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564BDE@exchangewv1.atk.com> Message-ID: They have a Visitor Center and a website: http://www.kennecott.com/visitorscenter.html Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > It is only a view point experience. Lived there for 50 years. > Never in the > working pit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: herwig pelckmans [mailto:herwig.pelckmans@pandora.be] > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:53 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine > > > Hi All, > > A friend of mine is going to Utah and is interested in visiting > the "Bingham > Canyon Open Pit Copper Mine" near Salt Lake City. Is this a "viewpoint > only" experience, or are there tours conducted for interested visitors ? > Any info is highly appreciated. > > Sincerely, Herwig > > Herwig Pelckmans > Worldwide Mineral Collector > Cardijnstraat 12 > B-3530 Helchteren > Belgium Europe > http://www.xlizd.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 19:56:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Albert McCann) Date: Mon May 19 18:56:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c31e72$efe4a530$0a01a8c0@osnerd> > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Gilmore > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at > that. Included in > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? My '87 copy of "Earth Treasures, The Northeastern Quadrant" by Allan W. Eckert has this: 7. North Conway area: west on highway to Echo Lake; [Delorme says 'West Side Road'] continue west on rough road to to Camp Albite; park there and walk 0.75 mile west; on Moat Mountain. Amazonite. Quartz, smoky. Topaz. CF [collecting fee] (1-13) [locations 1-13, a bunch of locations, in gravel, on the surface, in matrix, in stream bed, etc, basically all over the place.] Delorme dosn't show Moat Mountain Al McCann From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 20:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Mon May 19 19:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> <004601c31e61$295b34d0$16a3dccf@rockman> Message-ID: <3EC98CFA.9020109@cox.net> John, What a sad commentary, pity the source. I know you have delighted many of us online. Your vivid report was as close to being there as one could be. Believe me I was panting all the way up that hill right along with you. I await your next field trip report. Thanks again, and to Joe, swallow your bile and hang in here, you may find you can indeed learn something wonderful on this list. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 20:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Mon May 19 19:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <1cd.9e1e4a1.2bfabd25@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EC98E17.5000309@cox.net> Re; >How the hell do I get off this list too? I'm sick and tired of reading about >rocks >and people who love rocks and dream of rocks. You old fat people sitting on >sloppy lawn chairs with picks and handles makes me want to puke my guts >out. > Has anyone some spare ipecac to help this gent regurgitate? Sent mine on to Joe. Teresa > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 20:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Mon May 19 19:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> <5.1.0.14.0.20030519125404.03c30ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3EC98EC1.50805@cox.net> After reading Dave's response, I can just see Walt's. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 20:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon May 19 19:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? In-Reply-To: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> Message-ID: Dear John, Ignore all criticism and keep reporting. This is what collecting is really all about. A blend of excitement, science, passion ,appreciation, and joy. If it is too long for some, they have the ability to ignore. I am quite jealous of course (as I am sure many of the members of this list are) as my collecting is mostly done by going through dealer flats of rocks and scouring the net in search of a specimen that I like and can afford. And there can be excitement, science, and fun in that. I don't know if many members of this list are familiar with Patrick O'Brian and his Aubrey/Maturin series, but Stephen Maturin of that series exemplifies the "collecting mentality". It will be interesting if this shows through in the upcoming movie Master and Commander based on his novels. (minerals and Patrick O'Brian and photography are my passions). IMHO POB is one of the top 4 novelists of the 20th century. John, I see a good bit of Stephen in you and trust me--that is a very nice compliment. Press on. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 21:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 19 20:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad In-Reply-To: <000401c31c91$fda524c0$c33e27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <20030520031634.88585.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> I would like one Book, also. I'll Pay by PayPal. Please send confirmation. Chris Wright --- horstwindisch wrote: > Hi Frank, > > I am interested in your offer - I would want ONE > book to be sent by SURFACE > MAIL to my address in South Africa. If I am one of > the lucky ones, will > supply you with my VISA card number in case you no > longer have it. (I > ordered TWO books some weeks ago for Heini Slotau > and Rainer Jaeckle). > > Kind regards, > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz book ad > > > I have 16 discounted copies of this book left for > sale if you are > interested. > The photography is outstanding with many of the > photos taken by Jeff Scovil. > Subjects include left and right handedness, > twinning, color, growth, types > and forms of crystals, scepter quartz, Japan Law > Habit, Gwindel Quartz, and > many other interesting topics. I recently finished > reading it and found it > enjoyable and extremely informative. It is well done > and printed in the US. > > NEW RELEASE: Quartz: decoding messages from inside > the earth. Hot off the > presses. I was able to get several extra copies of > this first edition, > limited edition (only 1,000 hard cover copies > printed) lovely and > interesting > new book. Written by Harold Dibble, copyrighted in > 2002, and just printed in > January. Here is how it reads on the inside flap of > the dust jacket: "This > book breaks new ground in several ways. The internal > structure of quartz > crystals are covered as well as its external forms. > It describes many forms > of quartz crystals that have not been covered in > previous books. The CD, > which is included, is an educational tool beyond > anything that has been used > before. It clearly illustrates the internal atomic > arrangements and growth > mechanisms in a manner that the two-dimensional > pages of a book cannot. The > specimens used in the book were not selected merely > for their beauty, but > for > their unique qualities." The 178 photographs are > very well done by such > top-notch photographers as Jeff Scovil and Rainer > Bode. The format is 8 ½ by > 11 with 100 pages plus the Java Applet CD. List > price is $55.00. My price is > $47.50 plus $3 S/H.(no further discounts.) > > I can accept PayPal, Visa/MasterCard, or a personal > check. > > Let me know if you are interested. > > Frank > > Frank J. Daniels, publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 > (970) 242-5255 > the best time to call is evenings and weekends > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 21:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 19 20:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good riddance! In-Reply-To: <0b5e01c31e57$bc59dde0$8fca94d1@remains> References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030519123331.02962e00@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030519175053.03078490@mail.aloha.net> At 12:41 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: >geez...here it starts again................ Sorry, Michael, I should have replied with humor, as Dave Guin did, instead of rancor. I was angry because what John has written---this time and in the past---has been a pleasure to read, and I hated seeing anyone disparage and discourage him. In fact it turns out John responded with better grace than I did. Aloha, Kitty > > At 12:04 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: > > > > >Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly >wordy > > >e mail list? > > > > Dear Joe, > > > > I'm sure Aaron can tell you. To my knowledge you've never graced us with > > your valuable words, so I have no way to evaluate them. I can say that > > crude criticism is unnecessary, unwarranted, and unkind. If you consider > > us "soppy" and useless, we are more than happy to see you go. Good > > riddance to bad rubbish. > > > > Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 19 22:25:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon May 19 21:25:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: OFF TOPIC To Unsubscribe References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010304085527.00c04940@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3EC9AE55.1EB8@Tomaszewski.net> Aaron, There are other variations of this set of instructions available from a search engine, but Tim was the first to post it to this list. I think the post is public domain. Kreigh Tim Fisher wrote: Subject: OFF TOPIC To Unsubscribe Date: 4 Mar 2001 08:56:37 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds@drizzle.comTim Fisher wrote: > > This will be my only off-topic post to this list, ever. 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Sorry about the hassle. > Trolls are only a hassle if you feed them. > > >Can I save this for inclusion under the FAQ, if I ever get back to it? >Properly attributed, of course. > As has been pointed out this one and some others have been around for a long time. I am NOT the original author. I have just *also* been around for a long time. Gotta watch for permineralization at this point ;) > > >Aaron >(who's absolutely slammed with work. Who knew grad school would be so >busy?) > HA! Caught another one. Why did you think only 9 units was "full time"? **Obligatory mineral related content ** Widgiemoolthalite Peace, dave > > > >>>Joe wrote: >>> >>>>Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy >>>>e mail list? >>>> >>>Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being exposed >>>to such drivel. >>> >>>First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing >>> Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be >>> the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System >>> A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, >>> depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be >>> dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you >>> have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by >>> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 07:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue May 20 06:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: Message-ID: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a discovery of pink tourmaline in NH. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gilmore" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Folks: > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his long > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica slinkies, > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. Included in > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light green > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all the > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover, MA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 07:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue May 20 06:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> <5.1.0.14.0.20030519125404.03c30ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <005601c31ed7$02523610$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Doh! Pushed the erase button on how to unsubscribe. Fortunately, it was saved on another reply whose vehicle I am now using. Very valuable information on unsubscribing. Thank you. You just can't find this information when you really need it. Will archive immediately. I always read John Cornish's fieldtrip reports. He goes to interesting places and tells you the details. Keep 'em coming, John! Actually, I must be out of my head. I subscribed to a list hoping they'd talk about field collecting as well as the other stuff. And what do they do? They talk about field collecting and other stuff. Go figure. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Oh, Mr. Dave Guin your reply is priceless! Did you make it up > yourself? What wonderful useless wordy words!!! > Thank you for a good laugh! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 12:26 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: > > >Joe wrote: > > > >>Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy > >>e mail list? > >Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being exposed > >to such drivel. > > > >First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing > > Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be > > the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System > > A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, > > depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be > > dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you > > have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by > > the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one > > inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. > > > > The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated > > by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring > > back to its initial condition, so that the two orange lines > > meet. Disconnect. > > > > Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the > > rear. 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Enter the shower, > > taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your > > upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. > > Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated > > immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired > > setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe > > normally. > > > > The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes > > unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by > > flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue > > "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may > > leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in > > their container. > > > > If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated > > blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings > > A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has > > three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the > > medium setting is suggested. > > > > After these settings have been made, you can activate the > > device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked > > red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation you wish to > > change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in > > the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the > > cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and > > have lunch. Please close the door behind you. > > > >Barring that, you could read the bottom of *any* email that you receive > >from the group. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 07:53:09 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue May 20 06:53:09 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: Message-ID: <007701c31ed3$098eebc0$baaf5a0c@fekib> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Gilmore To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Folks: > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his long > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica slinkies, > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. Included in > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light green > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all the > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover, MA > > _________________________________________________________________ Please be aware that any collecting in the Moat Mt. area requires a permit from the Park Ranger, located in Conway. The Government pit, as well as the Moat Mtn. area west of North Conway was for many years a prolific supplier of well formed microcline and smoky quartz crystals, as well as accessory minerals. I do not know the present collecting status, as it has changed considerably. A call, or visit to the Ranger headquarters is mandatory. If they allow collecting now, they can also supply maps to the various sites. Larry Rush From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 07:57:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue May 20 06:57:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <001f01c31ed5$71f5b020$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <008401c31ed7$b5b5d360$f8ab77d5@pandora.be> Also, hit it with SW-UV... hurry... Any blue fluorescence? I recently acquired pink elbaite from Pakinstan and some from Minas Gerais and both fluoresce quite vividly under SW-UV. The green and colorless elbaites don't. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Can you post a photo? As far as I know, there has yet to be a discovery of > pink tourmaline in NH. > > Van > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Gilmore" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > Folks: > > > > A generous senior collector was giving away microminerals from his long > > years of collecting, and I accepted an egg carton labelled"Mica slinkies, > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at that. Included > in > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, are light > green > > elbaites, some with pink zones. All quartz crystals had peculiar > > sub-parallel etched lines running on a steep diagonal along almost all the > > prism faces, reminding me of animal scratches on tree bark. > > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > > > Paul Gilmore > > Andover, MA > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 08:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue May 20 07:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <000001c31e72$efe4a530$0a01a8c0@osnerd> Message-ID: <006001c31ed8$0d9d7ce0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Despite the presence of topaz and the pegmatitic nature of the North Conway area rock mentioned, this rock doesn't produce elbaite, yet. There are variously green and blue colored tourmalines found in New Hampshire. but it is unclear if any of them are elbaite. Much indicolite is schorl or foitite, for example. The green tourmaline from Raymond, NH might be elbaite. No chemical analyses known, to date. Given the cookeite association, I'd think you have a mislabeled batch of specimens. Many a find has been put into a previously labeled box and acquires the "aroma" of the label. Alternatively, memory can be plastic. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert McCann" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Gilmore > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at > > that. Included in > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > My '87 copy of "Earth Treasures, The Northeastern Quadrant" by Allan W. > Eckert has this: > > 7. North Conway area: west on highway to Echo Lake; [Delorme says 'West Side > Road'] continue west on rough road to to Camp Albite; park there and walk > 0.75 mile west; on Moat Mountain. Amazonite. Quartz, smoky. Topaz. CF > [collecting fee] (1-13) [locations 1-13, a bunch of locations, in gravel, on > the surface, in matrix, in stream bed, etc, basically all over the place.] > > Delorme dosn't show Moat Mountain > > Al McCann > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 08:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue May 20 07:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unsubscription Instructions References: <3EC9E44E.3020003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008b01c31ed9$17cf8b80$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> I love this list. sniff. Oh yes, brucite was named twice. The first time it was what we would call norbergite. Later Francois Sulpice Beudant (beudantite fame) named another mineral for Bruce and it's the one we know today. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Guin" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unsubscription Instructions > Aaron Fox wrote: > > >The problem has been resolved. Sorry about the hassle. > > > Trolls are only a hassle if you feed them. > > > > > > >Can I save this for inclusion under the FAQ, if I ever get back to it? > >Properly attributed, of course. > > > As has been pointed out this one and some others have been around for a > long time. I am NOT the original author. I have just *also* been > around for a long time. Gotta watch for permineralization at this point ;) > > > > > > >Aaron > >(who's absolutely slammed with work. Who knew grad school would be so > >busy?) > > > HA! Caught another one. Why did you think only 9 units was "full time"? > > **Obligatory mineral related content ** Widgiemoolthalite > > Peace, > dave > > > > > > > > >>>Joe wrote: > >>> > >>>>Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy > >>>>e mail list? > >>>> > >>>Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being exposed > >>>to such drivel. > >>> > >>>First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing > >>> Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be > >>> the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System > >>> A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, > >>> depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be > >>> dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you > >>> have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 08:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue May 20 07:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: OFF TOPIC To Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <3EC9AE55.1EB8@Tomaszewski.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010304085527.00c04940@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.2.20030520051008.01966a80@mail.spiritone.com> Lol I didn't write it - got it in an email from the mom-in law :) Archive away! At 12:27 AM 5/20/2003 -0400, you wrote: Aaron, There are other variations of this set of instructions available from a search engine, but Tim was the first to post it to this list. I think the post is public domain. Kreigh Tim Fisher wrote: Subject: OFF TOPIC To Unsubscribe Date: 4 Mar 2001 08:56:37 -0800 From: {quot}Tim Fisher{quot} Reply-To: rockhounds@drizzle.com To: rockhounds@drizzle.comTim Fisher wrote: Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 09:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue May 20 08:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine References: <20030518132940.62285.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <3EC8CAC8.000007.01204@anitaw.library.emory.edu> <010701c31e40$42be16c0$3f9c76d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <000701c31ee3$04708bc0$9e1dbed8@powertech.net> > Hi All, > > A friend of mine is going to Utah and is interested in visiting the "Bingham > Canyon Open Pit Copper Mine" near Salt Lake City. Is this a "viewpoint > only" experience, or are there tours conducted for interested visitors ? > Any info is highly appreciated. > > Sincerely, Herwig Last time I was there a few years ago: 1) Great vew from the viewpoint! 2) No tours -- just too dangerous, with all that big machinery down there. Those humongous ore trucks zip around and could run over the tour car/truck/van without even knowing it was there. Also, when they quit doing them some years ago they said that rockhound groups who had made reservatons to go on the tour had caused them lots of trouble and had made off with a lot more than just "a few representative specimens". 3) There is a visitor center at the viewpoint with some exhibits and a film (or video) about the mine; it was actually pretty good. 4) I don't think they have tours of the smelter operations, but you can always check at the Visitor Center. Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 09:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rocks4u) Date: Tue May 20 08:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> <3EC95A29.5020009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f601c31ee6$22b8e5c0$7d6b1e43@s4b5j4> I LOVE IT!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Guin" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Joe wrote: > > >Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy > >e mail list? > > > Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being > exposed to such drivel. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 19:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Tue May 20 18:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <041b01c31d5c$120881d0$77a3dccf@rockman> <3EC7E017.9010904@cox.net> <004001c31e52$aa27ea40$1c74cf42@f7t8r6> <5.1.0.14.0.20030519141554.0295f5e0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <013801c31f3a$315a1fa0$16a3dccf@rockman> Hi Kitty, Thanks for the kind words, they are truly appreciated. Your post is awesome! Obstruction Island huh, wow, that's way cool! I wonder, do you and your family have a sweet little mammoth tooth collection? The bluffs on the island just seem to keep on dropping them down to the beach and every once in awhile an article will appear in the local paper of a government employee who while walking the beach made all sorts of new exciting discoveries. I sure wouldn't mind collecting there, I just bet I'd manage to stumble across something! Thanks again for taking the time to write, it was great. Take care, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Hey, John, > > I enjoyed your report very much, partly because we used to live in the > Puget Sound area, and I spent many youthful years combing beaches in the > San Juan Islands (my parents used to own Obstruction Island---that's right, > all 211 acres of it---back in the 1950's). I especially liked the part > where you described pausing to savor the moment, the view, the bald > eagle. I could almost smell that wonderful combination aroma of Douglas > fir, madrona trees, salt water and seaweed found in all too few places in > the world. > > Joe wasn't giving you constructive writing criticism, John; he was putting > down the whole list, so we laugh at him. The joy of being a rockhound is > partly the love of rocks, minerals and fossils themselves--their beauty, > their mystery, the amazing things they reveal to us---and partly the > satisfaction in the process of hunting, collecting, cleaning, working and > displaying them. You described the hunting and collecting part, and that > surely is more rewarding then just walking into a rock shop or buying over > the Internet (though I've been known to do a lot of that too)! If we don't > enjoy and appreciate the process, and take time to share that experience > with others (like writing about it to this list) we're missing out on a > lot. At least Joe certainly is!!! > > Keep on sharing, John. > Aloha, Kitty > > At 01:48 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: > > >To All Those Who Have Responded, > > > >Thank you very much for taking the time to write. I've never professed to be > >a good writer and to be honest Joe, your not the first to have found > >complaint regarding my writing "style". Personally, barring outright attack, > >I welcome any and all comments and criticisms. Perhaps with these critiques > >I'll become a better writer, but, in the mean time, I'll just keep on > >chopping away at this ol' keyboard in hopes that my writings may yield a > >smile or a moments thought. I love this exciting world of our hobby and I'm > >going to be here for a long, long time. This is a good list Joe and there > >are many wonderful people who participate on it, for these reasons if for no > >other, I'd reccommend you reconsider unsubscribing, when my emails come your > >way just hit delete, other messages are perhaps more worthy. No flames. All > >comments and critiques welcome (because to be honest, it's better then the > >silence). All the best to everyone. Sincerely yours, > > > >John Cornish > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joe" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:04 PM > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > > > > Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly > >wordy > > > e mail list? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TA Masters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 3:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > This Field Trip report of yours has to be the most fascinating one I > > > > have read. I thank you so very much for taking the time to share your > > > > "Incredible Day." > > > > > > > > Whatever you finally do with your plate, please print out your wonderful > > > > words, have a wooden plaque made of them, and keep the two together. > > > > Long after we have all become fossils on our own, your discovery and > > > > words will enrich generations way into the future. > > > > > > > > Thank you so very much for making the day wonderful for me. > > > > Teresa > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 19:42:21 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Tue May 20 18:42:21 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: Message-ID: <013e01c31f3a$37a7e4a0$16a3dccf@rockman> Dear Tommy, Teresa and Van, Thanks for taking the time to write. I don't want to be soppy but, this list is a great place and it's a great thing to be here with everyone! Thanks. Say, as a warning for some of you... I'll have another paper out in the next couple days. Just to let ya know. All the best everyone. Take care, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Dear John, > > Ignore all criticism and keep reporting. This is what collecting is really > all about. A blend of excitement, science, passion ,appreciation, and joy. > If it is too long for some, they have the ability to ignore. > > I am quite jealous of course (as I am sure many of the members of this list > are) as my collecting is mostly done by going through dealer flats of rocks > and scouring the net in search of a specimen that I like and can afford. And > there can be excitement, science, and fun in that. > > > I don't know if many members of this list are familiar with Patrick O'Brian > and his Aubrey/Maturin series, but Stephen Maturin of that series > exemplifies the "collecting mentality". It will be interesting if this > shows through in the upcoming movie Master and Commander based on his > novels. (minerals and Patrick O'Brian and photography are my passions). IMHO > POB is one of the top 4 novelists of the 20th century. > > John, I see a good bit of Stephen in you and trust me--that is a very nice > compliment. Press on. > > > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a > spark from their juxtaposition." > Max Ernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 21:05:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Tue May 20 20:05:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tribute to Walt Bowser Message-ID: <3ECAECBC.10603@cox.net> Online Friends, I have received quite a few messages with reference to Walt. Some of you may know a few of us were quite close, and shared many moments both online and in person. Some had never physically met Walt, but he impacted quite a few. One of those is a gent in Melbourne, Australia, Gus, aka Gerry Pauley. He has set up a Tribute to Walt on his web site, it will be shared with Walt's family. There is still time to add a personal commentary or recollection. this is the URL. > Walt's wife Martha recently sent me a photo of both of them. It is great. I will be at the Memorial for Walt this coming Sunday in Bakersfield. Hope to see those who can attend there. Teresa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 22:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 20 21:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine Message-ID: <3c.2fe2d937.2bfc557f@aol.com> Hi, I'm just back from the East after a 1080 mile drive. Drinking a beer and thinking about bed. Yes, I heard about Walt. as a matter of fact, I had tried to see him the Monday before he died. I and Tom Katonak (you don't know him but he also knew Walt) stopped to see him in Cruces, but we got a message taht the phone had been disconnected. I e-mailed him with this info, and he responded that he had tried his phone too and got the same message. The next day, he went into the hospital. I never did meet him and felt lousy about it. My trip back east was great. Lots of friends and family. three pretty good shows and a great field trip in Maine not to mention the 2 huge lobsters. I rained almost every day which was nice a first but became a drag driving. (-: John S. In a message dated 5/14/03 7:39:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time, tam2819@cox.net writes: << Subj: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine Date: 5/14/03 7:39:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time From: tam2819@cox.net Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com Reply-to: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com J. Thought you were away. Did you unsub? Do you know about Walt? I am just grabbing the last messages for this trip into Plano. Leave here at noon, have been here 8 days, a bit longer than planned. I came for Mother's Day, and to get Gregg out from under his paper mess. Mission accomplished. I will return here day after Walt's memorial in Bakersfield May 25. Anthony graduates high school on the 28th. I've a full schedule for a bit. Have a faceter house guest arriving on the 3rd, we will drive to the AFMS/CFMS show in Ventura June 5-8th. We both will attend the Faceter Symposium. We both will return to Oceanside, he plans a bit of rock hounding with me. June 8th is my birthday, for once I will not spend it alone. How are you, and aside from Maine, what have you been up to? How are your family members? Up to pack and shower. Hugs, Terrie >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 20 22:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Tue May 20 21:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine References: <3c.2fe2d937.2bfc557f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ECB0747.7090403@cox.net> J. I have so much wanted to talk with you about all this. Let me know when you are rested and all. I am going to Bakersfield Sunday to attend Walt's memorial. I have a strange feeling about driving that trip so I am going to take Greyhound. I'll go up and back in one day. Monday I must be off to Plano, Anthony graduates high school on the 28th and of course I want to be there. I had just spent Mother's Day there with them. Things are fine there. We all enjoyed being together. Walt's death was unnecessary. Some asshole chewed him out publicly online, I replied to the idiot in Walt's defense. Walt sent me a private message commenting on the "kraut" behavior. The idiot then sent me a big time flame, and Walt sent me another message saying, "let it go." Then he had a massive bleed and there was no chance of surviving. they kept him on life support until his mother and daughter got there from Bakersfield, then disconnected the machines. His wife Martha is having a hard time. I am afraid she will get ripped off big time with Walt's inventory. there is a lot there. He had just returned from Mexico. She sent me a photo of them together, nice photo, so sad. My friend gus in Australia posted a Tribute to Walt and it is very nice. I posted the url to the list. If you missed it, I can send it to you. Aurea just got home from School. She has a nagging warning light in her dash panel. We have gone twice to the garage, the damn thing is intermittent so hard to trace. they think it is the oxygen sensor in the emission controls. We'll take the car back on Thursday and let them replace the damn sensor. Hope it is not an electrical short, which will go on forever. they did say it may be a false signal. Glad to have you back, I missed you. Hugs, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 01:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gordon Kummer) Date: Wed May 21 00:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? In-Reply-To: <005601c31ed7$02523610$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: on 5/20/03 8:52 AM, Van at newryqs@rochester.rr.com wrote: > Doh! Pushed the erase button on how to unsubscribe. Fortunately, it was > saved on another reply whose vehicle I am now using. Very valuable > information on unsubscribing. Thank you. You just can't find this > information when you really need it. Will archive immediately. > > I always read John Cornish's fieldtrip reports. He goes to interesting > places and tells you the details. Keep 'em coming, John! > > Actually, I must be out of my head. I subscribed to a list hoping they'd > talk about field collecting as well as the other stuff. And what do they do? > They talk about field collecting and other stuff. Go figure. > > Van > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > >> Oh, Mr. Dave Guin your reply is priceless! Did you make it up >> yourself? What wonderful useless wordy words!!! >> Thank you for a good laugh! >> >> Aloha, Kitty >> >> >> At 12:26 PM 5/19/2003, you wrote: >> >>> Joe wrote: >>> >>>> Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly > wordy >>>> e mail list? >>> Absolutely! Never let it be said that we forced anyone into being > exposed >>> to such drivel. >>> >>> First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing >>> Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be >>> the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System >>> A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, >>> depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be >>> dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you >>> have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by >>> the large "X" outlet hose. 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I think you wrote a could of bills passed by Congress. Gordon From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 01:50:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 21 00:50:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Confetti Agate or other Pink rough Message-ID: <1c7.9f0f448.2bfc899d@aol.com> Hi all, I'm looking for some confetti agate rough, or alternatively some other pink rough agate/jasper/something hard. I need at least 5 - 10 lbs, and maybe more depending on quality and price. If you're not familiar with the confetti, it's a medium pink to medium dark rose color with little "spangles" of pale pink, white, and yellows. If I can't get the confetti, I can use other hard rough in these basic pink to rose colors. I prefer rough, but can use slabs if the price is right. Please email me off list at suzy3d@aol.com Thanks, Karen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 02:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 21 01:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Confetti Agate or other Pink rough Message-ID: <1d3.a1c3870.2bfc8d55@aol.com> Hi You might try Youngite from Wyoming. It has pink colors mixed with white. Larry E. Whittington Work beginning on web site. http://www.gemjewelryandrock.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 05:40:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Wed May 21 04:40:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <013e01c31f3a$37a7e4a0$16a3dccf@rockman> Message-ID: <000801c31f8b$e9c93a20$bc3f27c4@horstspc> Hi John, Please carry on writing your travelogues. GREAT STUFF!!. Just have pity on those who do not appreciate them (and possibly want to unsubscribe from the list) - that don't realise what they are missing in life. The saying goes "Travel broadens the mind" and if you can connect it with the hobby of gem and mineral collecting so much the better. At least there is an OBJECTIVE in those travels. I personally have traveled a lot and am also a keen writer on such "travelogues" I was born in Gibeon (where all those meteorites come from) in South West Africa (now Namibia). We left Namibia for Pretoria in 1935 (during the depression) and I have been based in Pretoria ever since, with odd breaks in-between. Went to school over here, learnt my trade here when I was an apprentice millwright at ISCOR (our local iron and steelworks). Studied hard at night school, obtained a bursary from ISCOR to complete my degree in Mechanical Engineering in Johannesburg (graduated 1956). . During my youth, I traveled extensively in Southern Africa as part of a German youth group, travelling in 3 ton trucks, camping and seeing the country (South Africa, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and South West Africa (now Namibia).) In 1957 moved to Duisburg in Germany, working for DEMAG as a pupil engineer. Got engaged in South Africa, my fiancée came over to Germany 10 months later, we got married in Germany and our delayed (by 7 months) honeymoon we hitchhiked through Germany for 3 weeks, sleeping over in Youth Hostels. Back to South Africa in February 1959 to continue with my career at ISCOR, where I retired after 40 years service (at the age of 59) and been a pensioner since then. As far as travelling is concerned, have traveled extensively in South Africa,, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and South West Africa (now Namibia). Have been on shorter visits to Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, Mozambique, Zaire and Malawi. On the American continent I have been to the USA (5 times, including 4 days in Alaska), Canada and Brazil. In Europe I have traveled in Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Italy, Liechtenstein, United Kingdom, France and Switzerland. Got interested in the hobby on Old Year's Eve in 1964, when I spoke to a founder member of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club (who had been to school with my wife as youngsters). Soon afterwards I joined this Club and was Chairman of this Club from 1967 to 2001. During this time, I organised nine "Extended Rockhunt Tours" through Zimbabwe, South Africa and Namibia, varying between two and four weeks (66 participants, in 22 vehicles, took part in our first two-week tour through Rhodesia in July 1969; the last trip I led was a three-week tour through Namibia during April 2002 - 21 participants, 12 vehicles). On the longest trip of four weeks, we visited about 28 collecting sites. This was a trio starting in South Africa, going through Namibia, into the Caprivi Strip, through Botswana into Zimbabwe (Victoria Falls) and home again. All of these tours have been well documented in various issues of the SOUTH AFRICAN LAPIDARY MAGAZINE. One added "advantage" of these tours has been in reaching places where the normal tourist (and even many locals) do not necessarily come to and one thus experiences sites and occasions which are seldom seen by others. If it was not for this great hobby of ours, I would not have visited all these countries. During my professional career I traveled to Germany, France and Switzerland, but all the rest was for vacation, mainly connected with gems and minerals. During all these trips we have got to know many interesting people, have been part of history (I visited Berlin when it was still a divided city, but no Wall had been built yet, was two train stations away travelling in the Metro when the jet airliner hit the Pentagon) and have seen many places that other have not had the privilege of seeing. Please do not think I am boasting that I could afford all these travels. I worked hard in my life to be able to do all these things, but of course there are also many conveniences I had to do without, due to this travelling. Many times I have been asked the question "Was that trip worth it?". One cannot express these experiences in monetary terms, it is the personal joy one gets out of these experiences that make it worthwhile. Also these tours have not cost an arm and a leg. The biggest expense of an overseas trip is the air fares. Beyond that, we often stay over with friends for a day or two. Thus you meet the local population (and not confined to a package tour, when you are basically touring in a "cocoon"). Many of these people we have got to know through correspondence tied up with the hobby. You immediately meet somebody in a foreign country, but who "speak" the same language as you, viz. gems and minerals. In a reciprocal way, we have hosted many overseas gem and mineral collectors in our home since 1966 to the present and some really great friendships have been built up this way. During our last three week trip to the USA, we stayed over in a hotel for one night only (Key West), the rest we stayed over with friends who actively take part in this hobby. So John, carry on with your reports, it opens windows to us who have not had the chance or privilege to experience what you have achieved. Horst ---- Original Message ----- From: "John Cornish" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Dear Tommy, Teresa and Van, > > Thanks for taking the time to write. I don't want to be soppy but, this list > is a great place and it's a great thing to be here with everyone! Thanks. > > Say, as a warning for some of you... I'll have another paper out in the next > couple days. Just to let ya know. > > All the best everyone. Take care, > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:04 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > Dear John, > > > > Ignore all criticism and keep reporting. This is what collecting is really > > all about. A blend of excitement, science, passion ,appreciation, and joy. > > If it is too long for some, they have the ability to ignore. > > > > I am quite jealous of course (as I am sure many of the members of this > list > > are) as my collecting is mostly done by going through dealer flats of > rocks > > and scouring the net in search of a specimen that I like and can afford. > And > > there can be excitement, science, and fun in that. > > > > > > I don't know if many members of this list are familiar with Patrick > O'Brian > > and his Aubrey/Maturin series, but Stephen Maturin of that series > > exemplifies the "collecting mentality". It will be interesting if this > > shows through in the upcoming movie Master and Commander based on his > > novels. (minerals and Patrick O'Brian and photography are my passions). > IMHO > > POB is one of the top 4 novelists of the 20th century. > > > > John, I see a good bit of Stephen in you and trust me--that is a very nice > > compliment. Press on. > > > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw > a > > spark from their juxtaposition." > > Max Ernst > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 06:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed May 21 05:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine References: <3c.2fe2d937.2bfc557f@aol.com> <3ECB0747.7090403@cox.net> Message-ID: <01e201c31f91$e4fb4fa0$8acc94d1@remains> not that it will do any good but, for the kabillionth time...... why don't you try sending PRIVATE messages PRIVATELY Teresa. then I, and others, won't have to put up with your foul language and your racial slurs. as ALWAYS, this is hardly a message that needs to be sent to the whole group. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TA Masters" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine > J. > I have so much wanted to talk with you about all this. Let me know when > you are rested and all. > > I am going to Bakersfield Sunday to attend Walt's memorial. I have a > strange feeling about driving that trip so I am going to take Greyhound. > I'll go up and back in one day. Monday I must be off to Plano, Anthony > graduates high school on the 28th and of course I want to be there. > > I had just spent Mother's Day there with them. Things are fine there. We > all enjoyed being together. > > Walt's death was unnecessary. Some asshole chewed him out publicly > online, I replied to the idiot in Walt's defense. Walt sent me a private > message commenting on the "kraut" behavior. The idiot then sent me a big > time flame, and Walt sent me another message saying, "let it go." Then > he had a massive bleed and there was no chance of surviving. they kept > him on life support until his mother and daughter got there from > Bakersfield, then disconnected the machines. > > His wife Martha is having a hard time. I am afraid she will get ripped > off big time with Walt's inventory. there is a lot there. He had just > returned from Mexico. She sent me a photo of them together, nice photo, > so sad. > > My friend gus in Australia posted a Tribute to Walt and it is very nice. > I posted the url to the list. If you missed it, I can send it to you. > > Aurea just got home from School. She has a nagging warning light in her > dash panel. We have gone twice to the garage, the damn thing is > intermittent so hard to trace. they think it is the oxygen sensor in the > emission controls. We'll take the car back on Thursday and let them > replace the damn sensor. Hope it is not an electrical short, which will > go on forever. they did say it may be a false signal. > > Glad to have you back, I missed you. > Hugs, > > Terrie > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 07:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Armando Afonso) Date: Wed May 21 06:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] SURPLUS 36 EXOTIC SPECIMENS- USD 120 Message-ID: <001101c31fa0$452fe120$97e1fea9@1> Hi, all. I divided some of my surplus of mainly local species into a few parcels = of aprox. 4 Kg each, 36 samples. The specimens have a fair quality, and for the price, even adding the = shipping costs,=20 they are certainly interesting. Everything is labelled. If some of you could propose something similar, I would be interested, = too. =20 =20 Magnetite (xx) Smoked Quartz X Rose Quartz (mass.) Orthoclase (X) Albite xx Biotite X Liebethenite xx Goetite (botryoidal) Goetite (xx) Vanadinite xx Pyrite on Calcite (microcrystals coating) Calcite xx, plates or geodes, 3 diferent habits Blue Calcite (massive) Moscovite (xx) Prehnite xx Corundum X - var. Ruby Corundum X - var. Saphire Alumo-tchermakite/Zoizite/Ruby (xx) Melanterite xx Sulfur xx Galenite Selenite xx Halite (x) Mordenite/Saponite=20 Pyrolusite xx Wad (amorphous) Torbernite (xx)- very fluorescent Autunite (xx))- very fluorescent Heulandite xx Azurite/Malaquite xx Pseudomalaquite (botryoidal) Aragonite X Fluorite (xx) Tridimite xx Cuprite (mass.) Shorlite (xx) As a curiousity, I include a "Holoceras mediterraneum", a jurassic = fossil of this side of the ocean to the parcel. I do not colect them, = but I find them all the time under my feet, when I look for minerals. The cost of each parcel is 120 euros The shipping cost, is around 44 euros to USA, as an indication. Regards. A Afonso --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 11:30:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Wed May 21 10:30:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030521130743.01c38628@po2.bbn.com> Early this year I took the plunge and bought a used Husqvarna model 371K 14" concrete saw on Ebay. I got a good deal and the saw even came with a very used diamond blade. I need to buy a new blade and am having a great deal of trouble sorting out the wide variety and prices of blades that are available. Internet dealer prices range from less than $50 to over $400 but the descriptions of the blades are totally inadequate to help me decide what the best choice might be. The fraction of diamonds in the cutting edge of the blade and the depth of the cutting edge are clearly important variables but are seldom described in the listings. The descriptions are typically only vague labels like standard, better and best accompanied by rapidly escalating prices. In addition there are different categories of blades for stone, refractories, green cement, dry cement..........too many choices and too little guidance is the norm. I intend to use the saw for field collecting in quarries of all types including traprock, limestone, serpentine and perhaps even granite pegmatites. I am hoping that there are some folks on the list who are currently using such equipment for collecting that can give me some suggestions either for the proper type of blade to use (or to avoid) and/or the best compromise between blade cost and blade life Your comments and recommendations will be appreciated. Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 11:38:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed May 21 10:38:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030521130743.01c38628@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <000401c31fbf$b1ac0080$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Nate, I can't believe any diamond blade, regardless of cost, will last very long in the field. Diamond blades require constant lubrication to prevent overheating. Overheating allows the diamonds to detach from the blade. I was using my 14-inch saw in the shop once when the oil feed plugged. I heard the tone change and rushed to shut it down. Too late - the blade was already significantly smaller in diameter and had not a diamond left. One of our local collectors uses a silicon carbide or maybe corundum blade with success. I believe he buys them at a local building supply store. Lots cheaper than diamond, too. Yes, I have seen diamond blades advertised as capable of running dry. I just don't believe it. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Martin II" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws > Early this year I took the plunge and bought a used Husqvarna model 371K > 14" concrete saw on Ebay. I got a good deal and the saw even came with a > very used diamond blade. I need to buy a new blade and am having a great > deal of trouble sorting out the wide variety and prices of blades that are > available. Internet dealer prices range from less than $50 to over $400 > but the descriptions of the blades are totally inadequate to help me decide > what the best choice might be. > > The fraction of diamonds in the cutting edge of the blade and the depth of > the cutting edge are clearly important variables but are seldom described > in the listings. The descriptions are typically only vague labels like > standard, better and best accompanied by rapidly escalating prices. In > addition there are different categories of blades for stone, refractories, > green cement, dry cement..........too many choices and too little guidance > is the norm. > > I intend to use the saw for field collecting in quarries of all types > including traprock, limestone, serpentine and perhaps even granite > pegmatites. I am hoping that there are some folks on the list who are > currently using such equipment for collecting that can give me some > suggestions either for the proper type of blade to use (or to avoid) and/or > the best compromise between blade cost and blade life > > Your comments and recommendations will be appreciated. > > Best regards, > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 13:30:58 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed May 21 12:30:58 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, Buckfield Maine In-Reply-To: <01e201c31f91$e4fb4fa0$8acc94d1@remains> References: <3c.2fe2d937.2bfc557f@aol.com> <3ECB0747.7090403@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030521093849.02613ec0@mail.aloha.net> Teresa is obviously hurting, and sent that message to the list by mistake. And she did not make a racial slur. She used quotation marks to refer to the flap last year over a remark Walt made. Your rebuke to Teresa should have been made privately, but since you accused her of racial slurs in public, I must correct the record in public. Walt's memorial is coming up on Sunday. Let's please drop venom and think of him with affection. Aloha, Kitty At 02:09 AM 5/21/2003, you wrote: >not that it will do any good but, for the kabillionth time...... > >why don't you try sending PRIVATE messages PRIVATELY Teresa. > >then I, and others, won't have to put up with your foul language and your >racial slurs. > >as ALWAYS, this is hardly a message that needs to be sent to the whole >group. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "TA Masters" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip report: Orchard and Bennett Quaries, >Buckfield Maine > > > > J. > > I have so much wanted to talk with you about all this. Let me know when > > you are rested and all. > > > > I am going to Bakersfield Sunday to attend Walt's memorial. I have a > > strange feeling about driving that trip so I am going to take Greyhound. > > I'll go up and back in one day. Monday I must be off to Plano, Anthony > > graduates high school on the 28th and of course I want to be there. > > > > I had just spent Mother's Day there with them. Things are fine there. We > > all enjoyed being together. > > > > Walt's death was unnecessary. Some asshole chewed him out publicly > > online, I replied to the idiot in Walt's defense. Walt sent me a private > > message commenting on the "kraut" behavior. The idiot then sent me a big > > time flame, and Walt sent me another message saying, "let it go." Then > > he had a massive bleed and there was no chance of surviving. they kept > > him on life support until his mother and daughter got there from > > Bakersfield, then disconnected the machines. > > > > His wife Martha is having a hard time. I am afraid she will get ripped > > off big time with Walt's inventory. there is a lot there. He had just > > returned from Mexico. She sent me a photo of them together, nice photo, > > so sad. > > > > My friend gus in Australia posted a Tribute to Walt and it is very nice. > > I posted the url to the list. If you missed it, I can send it to you. > > > > Aurea just got home from School. She has a nagging warning light in her > > dash panel. We have gone twice to the garage, the damn thing is > > intermittent so hard to trace. they think it is the oxygen sensor in the > > emission controls. We'll take the car back on Thursday and let them > > replace the damn sensor. Hope it is not an electrical short, which will > > go on forever. they did say it may be a false signal. > > > > Glad to have you back, I missed you. > > Hugs, > > > > Terrie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 14:12:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Wed May 21 13:12:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030521130743.01c38628@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <003801c31fd5$18c0f5e0$f4b2950c@mel> Road contractors have diamond blades which saw concrete pavement. You might check with one of them. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 15:08:29 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 21 14:08:29 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws Message-ID: <186.1a21d9b8.2bfd4334@aol.com> In a message dated 5/21/03 1:13:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mela@bartnet.net writes: > Road contractors have diamond blades which saw concrete pavement. You might > check with one of them. www.DiamondBlade.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 16:21:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed May 21 15:21:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws In-Reply-To: <000401c31fbf$b1ac0080$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Message-ID: I have a 4 inch dry use diamond blade that I use on an angle grinder and have been using it off and on for a year. Mainly for ceramic tile and tile backer board but I've used it on agates too. It's still going with no signs of trouble. This isn't 8 hour a day use tho. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > Nate, > > I can't believe any diamond blade, regardless of cost, will last very long > in the field. Diamond blades require constant lubrication to prevent > overheating. Overheating allows the diamonds to detach from the > blade. I was > using my 14-inch saw in the shop once when the oil feed plugged. > I heard the > tone change and rushed to shut it down. Too late - the blade was already > significantly smaller in diameter and had not a diamond left. > > One of our local collectors uses a silicon carbide or maybe corundum blade > with success. I believe he buys them at a local building supply > store. Lots > cheaper than diamond, too. > > Yes, I have seen diamond blades advertised as capable of running > dry. I just > don't believe it. > > -dan- > > > __ > Let the banks dispose of them for you! > Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff > everything including the original envelope into the > postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... > > Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com > Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan C. Martin II" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:29 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws > > > > Early this year I took the plunge and bought a used Husqvarna model 371K > > 14" concrete saw on Ebay. I got a good deal and the saw even > came with a > > very used diamond blade. I need to buy a new blade and am > having a great > > deal of trouble sorting out the wide variety and prices of > blades that are > > available. Internet dealer prices range from less than $50 to over $400 > > but the descriptions of the blades are totally inadequate to help me > decide > > what the best choice might be. > > > > The fraction of diamonds in the cutting edge of the blade and > the depth of > > the cutting edge are clearly important variables but are seldom > described > > in the listings. The descriptions are typically only vague labels like > > standard, better and best accompanied by rapidly escalating prices. In > > addition there are different categories of blades for stone, > refractories, > > green cement, dry cement..........too many choices and too > little guidance > > is the norm. > > > > I intend to use the saw for field collecting in quarries of all types > > including traprock, limestone, serpentine and perhaps even granite > > pegmatites. I am hoping that there are some folks on the list who are > > currently using such equipment for collecting that can give me some > > suggestions either for the proper type of blade to use (or to avoid) > and/or > > the best compromise between blade cost and blade life > > > > Your comments and recommendations will be appreciated. > > > > Best regards, > > Nate Martin > > Lexington, MA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 21 16:24:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Wed May 21 15:24:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Cumberland habit In-Reply-To: <000801c31f8b$e9c93a20$bc3f27c4@horstspc> References: <013e01c31f3a$37a7e4a0$16a3dccf@rockman> <000801c31f8b$e9c93a20$bc3f27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: This is a little late in response, but I just now got to read the column by John White in May/June Rocks & Minerals about the 'Cumberland habit' - dipyramidal form - of quartz. Another occurrence of quartz crystals that is often labelled as beta quartz are the dipyramids known as 'Pecos diamonds' that occur near Roswell and Artesia, New Mexico. These crystals actually grew in a gypsum bed that has never been buried deeply and grew as alpha quartz. The few that I have examined even show very small portions of prism faces, so do not meet the minimum condition of true dipyramids. Nonetheless, even knowledgable mineral dealers will sometimes label them as beta quartz. The Minerals of New Mexico book (Northrup-LaBruzza) notes that among Pecos diamond crystals, a rhombohedral habit is common and there are some occurring as pseudocubic forms up to 1 cm across. Regarding beta (inverted) quartz, White quotes Frondel (1962) as saying that it is usually "much rounded and rough on the surface". This may be true of larger crystals, but beta (inverted) dipyramids with lustrous, sharp faces are not uncommon in rhyolitic ash beds. These crystals are less than a millimeter in size, but can easily be seen when looking at the sand size fraction of ash beds or in sediment that contains rhyolitic ash. They often can be seen as perfect dipyramids and are quite attractive, although they are of small micromount size. Tom Yancey From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 22 06:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Thu May 22 05:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality References: <000001c31e72$efe4a530$0a01a8c0@osnerd> Message-ID: <001501c3205d$75ed7710$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Just as a comment/opinion to the list. In the late 80's, a magazine asked me to review Eckert's books, including The Northeast Quadrant. After conferring with field collectors in various states, we all concluded that it was one of the most error-of-fact-ridden books published for the hobbyist interested in minerals. The information was frequently so dated that it was obviously a magazine article search and contined little first-hand information. While there are plenty of good books which contain second-hand information, we found maps and directions which would get you lost in the wrong place. Of course, most of the information is good, but... When I wrote the review, I suggested that the best course of action was to send the book to a paper recycler. Unfortunately(?), the magazine "lost" the review as the book's publisher was also going to buy some advertising space. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert McCann" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Gilmore > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:32 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > > > > > > from somehwere near the Government Pit on Moat Mountain". The "mica > > slinkies" were, of course, cookeite, and nice cooekite at > > that. Included in > > these vuggy specimens, presumably from a granitic pegmatite, > > > Can anyone suggest the actual locality? > > My '87 copy of "Earth Treasures, The Northeastern Quadrant" by Allan W. > Eckert has this: > > 7. North Conway area: west on highway to Echo Lake; [Delorme says 'West Side > Road'] continue west on rough road to to Camp Albite; park there and walk > 0.75 mile west; on Moat Mountain. Amazonite. Quartz, smoky. Topaz. CF > [collecting fee] (1-13) [locations 1-13, a bunch of locations, in gravel, on > the surface, in matrix, in stream bed, etc, basically all over the place.] > > Delorme dosn't show Moat Mountain > > Al McCann > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 22 12:26:09 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Thu May 22 11:26:09 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? References: <013e01c31f3a$37a7e4a0$16a3dccf@rockman> <000801c31f8b$e9c93a20$bc3f27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <029d01c3208f$d6567bb0$16a3dccf@rockman> Dear Horst, Thank you for the kind words and fascinating journey. Like you, I've been fortunate to have made friends with some great folks and have visited some fantastic places (though truth to tell, I've had to hang out lots closer to home!). I've also enjoyed your posts and look forward to those upcoming from you and everyone else here on this list. We're involved with a fascinating thing here and the potential of near unlimited possibilities await some of us as we enter the field. I love finding treasure, and like I tell the kids when I do my talks (given to over 1300 kids so far this year!), ya never know what your going to find! Thanks again. See ya, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "horstwindisch" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Hi John, > > Please carry on writing your travelogues. GREAT STUFF!!. Just have pity on > those who do not appreciate them (and possibly want to unsubscribe from the > list) - that don't realise what they are missing in life. The saying goes > "Travel broadens the mind" and if you can connect it with the hobby of gem > and mineral collecting so much the better. At least there is an OBJECTIVE in > those travels. > > I personally have traveled a lot and am also a keen writer on such > "travelogues" I was born in Gibeon (where all those meteorites come from) in > South West Africa (now Namibia). We left Namibia for Pretoria in 1935 > (during the depression) and I have been based in Pretoria ever since, with > odd breaks in-between. Went to school over here, learnt my trade here when I > was an apprentice millwright at ISCOR (our local iron and steelworks). > Studied hard at night school, obtained a bursary from ISCOR to complete my > degree in Mechanical Engineering in Johannesburg (graduated 1956). . > > During my youth, I traveled extensively in Southern Africa as part of a > German youth group, travelling in 3 ton trucks, camping and seeing the > country (South Africa, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and South West Africa (now > Namibia).) > > In 1957 moved to Duisburg in Germany, working for DEMAG as a pupil engineer. > Got engaged in South Africa, my fiancée came over to Germany 10 months > later, we got married in Germany and our delayed (by 7 months) honeymoon we > hitchhiked through Germany for 3 weeks, sleeping over in Youth Hostels. > > Back to South Africa in February 1959 to continue with my career at ISCOR, > where I retired after 40 years service (at the age of 59) and been a > pensioner since then. > > As far as travelling is concerned, have traveled extensively in South > Africa,, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and South West Africa (now Namibia). Have > been on shorter visits to Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, Mozambique, Zaire > and Malawi. On the American continent I have been to the USA (5 times, > including 4 days in Alaska), Canada and Brazil. In Europe I have traveled in > Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Italy, > Liechtenstein, United Kingdom, France and Switzerland. > > Got interested in the hobby on Old Year's Eve in 1964, when I spoke to a > founder member of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club (who had been to school > with my wife as youngsters). Soon afterwards I joined this Club and was > Chairman of this Club from 1967 to 2001. During this time, I organised nine > "Extended Rockhunt Tours" through Zimbabwe, South Africa and Namibia, > varying between two and four weeks (66 participants, in 22 vehicles, took > part in our first two-week tour through Rhodesia in July 1969; the last trip > I led was a three-week tour through Namibia during April 2002 - 21 > participants, 12 vehicles). On the longest trip of four weeks, we visited > about 28 collecting sites. This was a trio starting in South Africa, going > through Namibia, into the Caprivi Strip, through Botswana into Zimbabwe > (Victoria Falls) and home again. All of these tours have been well > documented in various issues of the SOUTH AFRICAN LAPIDARY MAGAZINE. One > added "advantage" of these tours has been in reaching places where the > normal tourist (and even many locals) do not necessarily come to and one > thus experiences sites and occasions which are seldom seen by others. > > If it was not for this great hobby of ours, I would not have visited all > these countries. During my professional career I traveled to Germany, France > and Switzerland, but all the rest was for vacation, mainly connected with > gems and minerals. > > During all these trips we have got to know many interesting people, have > been part of history (I visited Berlin when it was still a divided city, but > no Wall had been built yet, was two train stations away travelling in the > Metro when the jet airliner hit the Pentagon) and have seen many places that > other have not had the privilege of seeing. Please do not think I am > boasting that I could afford all these travels. I worked hard in my life to > be able to do all these things, but of course there are also many > conveniences I had to do without, due to this travelling. Many times I have > been asked the question "Was that trip worth it?". One cannot express these > experiences in monetary terms, it is the personal joy one gets out of these > experiences that make it worthwhile. > > Also these tours have not cost an arm and a leg. The biggest expense of an > overseas trip is the air fares. Beyond that, we often stay over with friends > for a day or two. Thus you meet the local population (and not confined to a > package tour, when you are basically touring in a "cocoon"). Many of these > people we have got to know through correspondence tied up with the hobby. > You immediately meet somebody in a foreign country, but who "speak" the same > language as you, viz. gems and minerals. In a reciprocal way, we have hosted > many overseas gem and mineral collectors in our home since 1966 to the > present and some really great friendships have been built up this way. > During our last three week trip to the USA, we stayed over in a hotel for > one night only (Key West), the rest we stayed over with friends who actively > take part in this hobby. > > > So John, carry on with your reports, it opens windows to us who have not had > the chance or privilege to experience what you have achieved. > > Horst ---- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cornish" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > Dear Tommy, Teresa and Van, > > > > Thanks for taking the time to write. I don't want to be soppy but, this > list > > is a great place and it's a great thing to be here with everyone! Thanks. > > > > Say, as a warning for some of you... I'll have another paper out in the > next > > couple days. Just to let ya know. > > > > All the best everyone. Take care, > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:04 PM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > > > Ignore all criticism and keep reporting. This is what collecting is > really > > > all about. A blend of excitement, science, passion ,appreciation, and > joy. > > > If it is too long for some, they have the ability to ignore. > > > > > > I am quite jealous of course (as I am sure many of the members of this > > list > > > are) as my collecting is mostly done by going through dealer flats of > > rocks > > > and scouring the net in search of a specimen that I like and can afford. > > And > > > there can be excitement, science, and fun in that. > > > > > > > > > I don't know if many members of this list are familiar with Patrick > > O'Brian > > > and his Aubrey/Maturin series, but Stephen Maturin of that series > > > exemplifies the "collecting mentality". It will be interesting if this > > > shows through in the upcoming movie Master and Commander based on his > > > novels. (minerals and Patrick O'Brian and photography are my passions). > > IMHO > > > POB is one of the top 4 novelists of the 20th century. > > > > > > John, I see a good bit of Stephen in you and trust me--that is a very > nice > > > compliment. Press on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and > draw > > a > > > spark from their juxtaposition." > > > Max Ernst > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 22 12:33:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Cornish) Date: Thu May 22 11:33:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Glamour of Mining; Challis, Idaho. Message-ID: <02bf01c32090$b9afee00$16a3dccf@rockman> The Glamour of Mining; Challis, Idaho. =20 Quite some time ago, an Englishman named Fred C. Cornell wrote an = autobiography of his adventures titled, The Glamour of Prospecting. I = liked the title, and while it more aptly fits another man whose role is = key here, Lanny Ream, if reworded a bit, this new title rings truer for = my own adventures while mining for crystal specimens in the wild heart = of central Idaho. Fred never found treasure, oh, he found plenty of = treasure in the experiences, just not the kind of treasure that weighs = down a fist and brings sweat to the brow and a speeding to the heart. = I'm thankful that my own adventures have been more successful, which is = to say that I've also become enriched through the experiences and = further, I've been blessed with the hefty burden of treasures found. Challis, Idaho lies in an area of rugged, pristine beauty. Mountains = rise majestically, rivers bound free and low rolling hills stretch into = places only the winds know well. Wildlife abounds, swift footed antelope = and the thunder of flashing hooves as herds of wild horses roam. There's = other things about also, the reclusive and venomous rattlesnake and = grasshoppers big enough to make a person duck when they're snapping, = erratic flight brings them overly close. And the wind, don't forget the = wind, it definitely acts like a thing alive. Tarp shredding gusts with = accompanying daily, almost ritualistic assaults, sandblasting grit into = every pore and void. The eyes become mired with small, gritty pebbles = and the nose becomes choked with breath stealing accumulations of dust = adhering to everything soft and moist. But, least I pass on an ill = appearing impression, I must in all fairness discuss the haunting beauty = of a sunset unmarred. The soft moaning breeze accompanying the darkness = and its welcoming breath, like a lover's, feathering my cheek as I wake. = It's a beautiful place in its starkness and desolation. Oh, there's = civilization about, just not in an invasive way. The burning glare of the sun and the baleful stare of the moon. It's the = kind of wilderness experience that can only be found where the phone's = signal dies and one's isolation reigns complete. My adventures in Challis began back during the Summer of 2000. I made my = first trip there with my friend, Pat Curry, and together we worked the = harsh outer slope of the hill for crystal bearing pockets. We had some = terrific success and collected extraordinary things. The best two = examples of this material went to two major museums. The first, the = United States of America's, Smithsonian Museum, received a spectacular = large single geode and the former Pacific Mineral Museum of Vancouver, = British Columbia, Canada received the other, a matching geode pair. = Pictures of these specimens can be seen by going to the link. ***Notice*** The link listed below is currently unavailable. The site = within which it occurs is in the process of changing to a new server = (Bob's Rock Shop at rockhounds.com). My apologies for this = inconvienence. Please consider returning to this link when Bob has fully = resumed his presence on the net. Thank you. http://www.tucsonshow.com/reports/tucson2001/p2.shtml=20 With this type of spectacular beginning, I was ready for more = adventures. My next trip back to the claim happened during the Summer of = 2002. In the two years separating these trips, lots had been going on. = Lanny and I agreed to work as a partnership on the claim where I would = be doing the majority of the mining after we opened the deposit with = mechanized equipment. But first, we had to get our Plan of Operations = approved by the B.L.M. This took quite awhile, but after this convoluted = process was finally put behind us, we were ready to move. In late June, = we hired a trackhoe and operator to open the deposit and created a = working bench 160 feet long and between 10 and 20 feet wide. Our cut was = created to expose just the top of the rock unit where the specimens were = found and from there, it would all be dug by hand with lots and lots of = grunt work and elbow grease! Oh the joy, the joy! And actually, the joy became intoxicating! My first day back on the = claim coincided with the last day we'd have the equipment on the hill. = Lanny had come in several days earlier to meet the trackhoe operator to = guide him into the claim. This took quite some time as the trackhoe only = managed a top speed of two miles an hour! But finally, he was on the = hill and the actual process of opening the claim could begin. This = proved a time consuming task. The steepness of the hill necessitated our = trenching above the actual specimen horizon two separate benches. These = diagonal cuts across the hillside would be used to catch the material = we'd have to remove in order to cut into the hill to expose our specimen = producing horizon. We had to do this as a compliance of the B.L.M., no = tailings are allowed to fall below the actual cut itself, everything has = to be placed above the cut and then pushed back into the cut for = reclamation. This meant more time on the trackhoe with coinciding higher = costs, and the money flies from our pockets like birds on the wing. When = finished, these expenses had almost doubled beyond the actual bid. But = what were we to do? We couldn't stop now and authorized the extra time. = Finally, days later, the cuts had been made and the trackhoe was = crawling its tortoise-like pace back down to its awaiting transport. = And, there were crystals to dig! In being there earlier, Lanny had already dug quite a bit of new = material from a trend of pockets directly behind the area which produced = my exceptional pockets back in 2000. Sated from his digging and time = away, Lanny would be heading back the next morning. That night, we = pow-wowed, talking things through, clarifying our thoughts and then in = the wee hours called it quits and headed to bed. We woke early in the = A.M. and after a bit of b.s.ing, Lanny was off and I was on my way to = collect the Rat's Nest claim for the first time in 2002! I made this and several other trips into the claim during the digging = season. Each and every trip had its high and its low points and rather = then a daily recital of these events, I'd like to focus on some of the = special times. And so, to continue, lets start from where the last = paragraph ends. This, my first trip, was beyond a doubt my best trip. = Everything went perfectly. Not a hitch to be seen. Someone had given = Murphy the day off and man, oh man, was the production sweet. For days, = every rock moved revealed treasure. Pocket after pocket was exposed as I = attacked the rock working my way ever forward, ever deeper. And like I = was charmed, everything was good. If I had one bad comment involving = this time it was that the majority of my pockets were small and not the = museum-sized monsters I was secretly hoping for. But this wasn't such a = bad thing either. Smaller pockets yielded smaller material and I had a = big order pending if I could just fill it. It'd take 260 pieces to = complete and with pockets this size, I was well on my way to having the = perfect material with which to fill it. Day after day, pocket after = pocket, this was a golden time for me. Every swing of the hammer, every = wrench of the bar seemed to reveal new treasures. There were times = during this period where I had near a dozen pockets opened and awaiting = collection. And beautiful things, these pockets are absolutely = drop-dead-gorgeous! White fuzzy mordenite lined pockets glowing soft = pinks and oranges with lustrous heulandites, these really give one a = real visual punch as they first appear. This was definitely a way cool, = special good time. As I continued working, it soon became evident I was collecting myself = out of a ride home. Box after box had filled with field trimmed = specimens and things were getting tight. With this truth obviously = apparent, I made the decision to call this dig a done did deal and = started packing up. Every bit of spare space was stuffed with crystals, = things were wedged tight from one end of the rig to the other and it was = a glorious thing. Satisfied and with bumper dragging, I was on my way = home.=20 If my first trip was incredible and perfect, my second trip was a real = downer. I arrived back on the claim for another go of it a few weeks = later in mid-June. The weather was fine and I was hard at it. I worked = and worked and yet continually, for all my efforts, I only managed to = expose endless, featureless barren rock. After the abundance of pockets = I'd recovered during my first trip, I just couldn't believe the place = could change so much so quickly. One day passed into another and the = only pile growing was my tailings pile. Pound, pound, pound, wrench that = bar and stab that shovel, make those sweat balls fly. And another day = passed into another one following. Finally, I just plain got fed up and = decided I'd hit town for a much needed shower and a hot restaurant meal. = I did my shopping while there and filled all my water containers getting = prepared for another go of it. Several hours later with my chores all = done, I hit the road and headed back to the digs. By supper time, I'd = gotten everything out and repacked and had the camp back in order. With = this satisfaction warming me, I finally relaxed enough to take in my = surroundings, this is when I noticed some odd white, wispy clouds moving = rapidly towards me from down the valley. As they came closer, other = thicker groups came following, hot on the heels of the first clouds. As = I watched, it dawned on me the white walls approaching weren't so much = clouds as they were huge walls of falling snow. With this realization, I = smiled and actually got quite a kick out of the whole thing, thinking it = some passing novelty. I even sat out for a bit, just to enjoy the = peaceful serenity and the quiet. Not long thereafter, I headed back up = to the digs to work for a couple more hours. Being that it was mid-June, = I didn't think I had a thing to worry about, boy was I mistaken! I'd worked for about an hour before breaking to come out from under the = tarps to see how things looked and was shocked to see that the entire = area was buried in white and that my visibility was almost nil. Outside = the tarp, the snow had accumulated to a depth of several inches and more = was piling up fast, too fast! Realizing how precarious my position was = out here exposed on the hillside at about 6800 feet, I immediately = called it quits and broke camp. There was already four inches on the = ground as I began hauling my stuff back to the truck. Where exposed to = the wind, I was caked and plastered with sticking heavy, wet snow. It = hung from my clothes and clumped on my mustache in mini hillocks. As = fast as I could, I hauled, broke down, packed and then finally, with = several more inches lying upon those previously accumulated, I cranked = the starter and set the gearing for four wheel drive. I felt fairly = secure that I'd get out without too much problem, brave thinking with = only ten yards traveled. I had my first troubles bounding up a little, = steep double hill, but with speed and the snow for a cushion, I powered = through. From here I was able to get down from the heights, but as I = approached lower elevations, the traction changed as the clay-rich soils = beneath the snow became slick and treacherous. Lots of sliding and = anxiety, but eventually I made it out from the hills and with genuine = relief, finally turned onto blacktop. With the snows burying everything, = I stopped at Challis for a quick topping off of the tank and then I was = out of there. What a bust of a trip, and my production, one measly plate = with analcime crystals up to about a 1/2 an inch. Not much for the = efforts, even if the analcimes are a new mineral to the deposit, still, = I wish I'd have hit something grander. Back at home and a bit discouraged, I set my sights for a more positive = mind set and decided I'd jump right back into the saddle and head back = for a third trip. This was in the beginning of July. And unfortunately, = like last trip, Murphy was back for more rollicking good times. Rather = then painfully retelling these trials, let me cut to the chase and share = the final, breaking straw which sent me packing up for good in 2002. = Simply, it was the weather again. In less then three weeks time it had = changed from blizzard-like, white out conditions into a baking hell on = earth. The temps at the claim were in the 110 degree range and while = this may be do able for some of you, for me, this was a real killer. I = drank huge amounts of water to keep myself hydrated while pounding with = the sledge and wedging with the bar. And my strength just faded away. = I'd already found several pockets this go around and if this was how = things were going to be, I was thankful at least that I wouldn't be = skunked. Baking under a scorching sun, I ground my teeth out of pure = orneriness and continued working while trying to settle in and find my = groove. After a couple more days, I was wasted. The temps were steady = and devastating, and just too gosh darn tough for me. A sad confession, = but a true one none the less, I'd run out of steam. My personal = arguments to myself fell on deaf ears and finally, I just gave up, = packed up and headed out, my last Challis trip in 2002 a fading memory = hazy in the heat and dust swirling behind me. 2002 was quite a season, I'd really run the gambit of highs and lows = with this one, still, I was thrilled for having the experience. The = Rat's Nest claim has produced some of the most beautiful pockets I've = ever collected and it's truly been a privilege to have had this = opportunity. And with that, here we are, this brings us to the present. = In just a bit, I'll be heading back to Challis for my first collecting = adventure there in 2003 and I absolutely cannot wait to get there. We're = bringing in the trackhoe again and we're going to burrow in like a tick = delving into the mysteries. My fingers are crossed that we'll find the = best specimens ever in an overflowing abundance. Yes, that would be very = nice.=20 Wish us the best of luck my friends and just for the heck of it, keep me = in mind if you'd like some specimens for your own collections. Take care = everyone, I'll talk to you soon. All the very best, John=20 PS For those wishing to know more about this deposit, please = consider checking out the following, active(!) link.... http://www.mineralnews.com/Challis.html =20 Talk to you all again in about a month. See ya! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 22 16:48:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (The Geode Gallery) Date: Thu May 22 15:48:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: Website Update Message-ID: <002e01c320b3$ebccacc0$cc020640@maplecity.com> Good day, The Geode Gallery would like to invite list members to visit our website = to view our geode and mineral products, all directly from the source. = We specialize in geodes from the Keokuk area, Mexico, and Brazil; and = minerals from India, eastern Europe, and the soon to be closed Elmwood = district in Tennessee. Today, we posted several new whole geodes and = also began another website auction of mineral and geode specimens. The = website will be updated on a daily or every-other-day basis when we are = in our area as we continue to acquire additional collections/lots from = overseas and right here in the United States. Have a look at = http://www.geodegallery.com . For those who don't like to purchase = specimens but like to trade, it might be worth a look at our trading = page, in the minerals section of our website. =20 Thank you,=20 Mike Sandstrom, owner of The Geode Gallery The Geode Gallery Mike Sandstrom, Owner 1131 80th Street Roseville, IL 61473 http://www.geodegallery.com sand@maplecity.com (309) 734-2683 "Specializing in Quality Minerals and a Leading Supplier of Gem Quality = Geodes on the Internet" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 22 18:49:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Albert McCann) Date: Thu May 22 17:49:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality In-Reply-To: <001501c3205d$75ed7710$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <000401c320c5$0f7fb660$0a01a8c0@osnerd> > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Van > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:27 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Hampshire elbaite locality > Just as a comment/opinion to the list. In the late 80's, a > magazine asked me > to review Eckert's books, including The Northeast Quadrant. ... > the most error-of-fact-ridden books published for the > hobbyist interested in minerals. ... > the review, I > suggested that the best course of action was to send the book > to a paper recycler. This explains the poor quality of the paper that the book is printed on, it's 'pre-recycled'. ;-) I agree with you on the errors, some are so strange as to defy all logic. I live in Glenolden (Delaware County) PA. One of the locations for Delco is: 20. Darby area: 3.3 miles south; near White Horse. Beryl. I live almost three miles SE of Darby. The map arrow points to Cobbs Creek, where the SEPTA R3 rail line crosses it, in Yeadon. There's nothing in this area is called 'White Horse'. The only things I can think of is that the location was described 200 years ago, and referred to the horse that farmer Jones had, or it's a mispelling of 'House', and describes one out of several tens of thousands of potential locations. South of Darby is pretty weird too, which way is South, since all roads here are SW to NE and NW to SE. (Grids that parallel the Delaware river.) 3.3 miles due south is Tinicum Township, and a lot of swamp. If nothing else, my kids and I had a lot of fun trying to find all the places listed. :-) Al McCann From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 22 19:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Thu May 22 18:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws Message-ID: Hi all, I've used a 5" segmented diamond blade dry in my angle grinder for well over a year carving alabaster bowls and also agate in the back yard. It is still in good shape. I believe it was orginally intended as a tile saw blade. Nate - Take the following with the usual "as far as I know" and "caveat lector" qualifiers - My understanding is that in general the dry blades are the ones whose rims are more drastically segmented. This makes sense: it's like the fins on an air-cooled Volkswagen motor. If you're going to be using it in the field (where a steady support is mostly in abeyance) logic suggests you should select a blade which has a comparatively thick rim - in order to give a healthy amount of clearance in the cut. The 5" blade I use (which obviously doesn't cut nearly as deep as your 14" will) has its diamond segments staggered around the rim such that they are regularly offset like this: Left side - segment-space-segment-space-segment-space Right side - space-segment-space-segment-space-segment If you're still at a loss I strongly suggest you contact Bill Ritter of Cutting Edge Solutions in Los Angeles. He is very knowledgeable, friendly and helpful; the best source I know of for good solid practical advice in diamond sawing and grinding. His email is Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 23 14:19:14 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri May 23 13:19:14 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Interesting Message-ID: <001601c32168$6b44eb20$deb2950c@mel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "horstwindisch" To: "Mel Albright" Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Interesting > Hi Mel, > > Thanks for your message. Did not know Justice Malanot. Where did he live and > during what time was he active in the hobby? > > I took a wild chance, checked in our local telephone directory. There was > only one entry under "Malanot". Phoned, got hold of his wife. She mentioned > that he was involved in a motor car accident and then he left the hobby > completely and started another line of business. She did not elaborate, but > you can check on the website www.bushmail.co.za. I will do so later during > the day. She suggested you check on the website to see what he is doing at > the present time. > > Kind regards, > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Albright" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:06 PM > Subject: Interesting > > > > I found your story about rockhounding very interesting. I too have found > > "instant friends" while traveling. These friendly peoploe are a big plus > to > > the hobby. > > > > By the way, do you know Justice Malanot and whatever happened to him? He > > used to post hilarious field trip reports. > > > > Mel Albright > > > > Call or hug someone you love today! > > > > > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 23 16:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Fri May 23 15:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa Hounding Message-ID: > Folks, > > I'll be in Waverly, Iowa near Waterloo, Iowa the 2nd weekend of August. I > would appreciate any information anyone could share on hounding sites for > rocks, minerals, or fossils. > > Appreciate it, > > Tom > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 24 19:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat May 24 18:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail Message-ID: Hi all, I just tried to e-mail Alan Goldstein, and for some reason the mail was returned. Does anyone know his new address? I know he has had problems resubscribing. Thanks, and have a good weekend, Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 24 19:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat May 24 18:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail References: Message-ID: <3ED01D28.7539@Tomaszewski.net> BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > I just tried to e-mail Alan Goldstein, and for some reason > the mail was returned. Does anyone know his new address? > I know he has had problems resubscribing. Thanks, and have > a good weekend, > Dave I did a search for 'Alan Goldstein minerals' on Google and came up with alan@fallsoftheohio.org or (812) 280-9970 ext. 403 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 10:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Harris) Date: Sun May 25 09:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineralia... Message-ID: <3ED0EAC0.000003.03356@bigbertha> Hi, I have just put a few of my nicer specimens on Yahoo and also put a few prices too. I guess I am open to offers if anyone is interested. This is a bit of an experiment as I usually sell only via eBay. The pics you see will only be low res - but if you are interested then email me and I can send some nice big hi-res ones! I hope you can access the minerals forlder of YAhoo from the url pasted below. http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/entropydave2001/lst?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph& done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/&.view=t Please let me know ASAP if you cannot get to them! thanks for your indulgence and hopefully the experiment might work! very best dave harris IMCA #0092 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 11:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 25 10:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway Message-ID: <105.2f34ec96.2c0256a7@aol.com> I recently came across a nicely crytallized specimen of chalcanthite from Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with massive, the locality is given as "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this occurance and provide more detailed locality data, I have not been able to get more details from all of the usual sources on or off the web. Much obliged, Jeff From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 11:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun May 25 10:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway References: <105.2f34ec96.2c0256a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c322e6$4b53a020$2c9f77d5@pandora.be> Hi Jeff, are you sure about the locality? Chalcantite is not exactly a mineral that one would expect to find in a wet climat like Norway has. There is a lot of counterfeit chalcantite out there! It's easy to make, even "on matrix". I can't find any data about the locality you described. Cheers Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway > I recently came across a nicely crytallized specimen of chalcanthite from > Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with massive, the locality is given as > "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this occurance and provide more > detailed locality data, I have not been able to get more details from all of > the usual sources on or off the web. Much obliged, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 12:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (THOMAS BOWERS) Date: Sun May 25 11:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail References: Message-ID: Try: rockscaper (Alan Goldstein) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail > Hi all, > I just tried to e-mail Alan Goldstein, and for some reason > the mail was returned. Does anyone know his new address? > I know he has had problems resubscribing. Thanks, and have > a good weekend, > Dave > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 12:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (frank de wit) Date: Sun May 25 11:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway References: <105.2f34ec96.2c0256a7@aol.com> <000f01c322e6$4b53a020$2c9f77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <004a01c322e9$eb486360$8d7ba8c0@cm333814LT> Yep read Mineralien Welt 3/2003 ' Das blaue Wunder - Chalkanthit von Folldal in Norwegen' with explanation on the dry climate ;-) fantastic specimens ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway > Hi Jeff, > > are you sure about the locality? Chalcantite is not exactly a mineral that > one would expect to find in a wet climat like Norway has. There is a lot of > counterfeit chalcantite out there! It's easy to make, even "on matrix". > I can't find any data about the locality you described. > > Cheers > > Axel Emmermann > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Home : Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 Mortsel > Belgium > Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 > E-mail: > axel.emmermann@pandora.be > Visit our homepage: > http://www.minerant.org/index.html > Bezoek onze web-site: > http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > My own web-site: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:25 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway > > > > I recently came across a nicely crytallized specimen of chalcanthite from > > Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with massive, the locality is > given as > > "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this occurance and provide > more > > detailed locality data, I have not been able to get more details from all > of > > the usual sources on or off the web. Much obliged, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 12:38:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronald Werner) Date: Sun May 25 11:38:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway References: <105.2f34ec96.2c0256a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <007b01c322ec$bae87a90$0d4c8ed5@RW> Yes, but I have to temper your enthousiasm a little bit. I have seen a couple of specimens a couple of years ago which were spectacular when my boss traded them, but which degenerated within a couple of weeks. I don't know if this is true of all the chalcanthite from Folldal, but you'd better store them in exactly the right conditions. As far as I know they were formed rather recently in an abandonded mine. I don't have the MW article here, but Folldal is indeed what this German who discovered the chalcanthite told us. Chalcanthite is not abundant in Norway, but there have been a few good finds. Ronald Werner Postboks 2 4733 Evje Norway ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway > I recently came across a nicely crytallized specimen of chalcanthite from > Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with massive, the locality is given as > "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this occurance and provide more > detailed locality data, I have not been able to get more details from all of > the usual sources on or off the web. Much obliged, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 12:43:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun May 25 11:43:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway References: <105.2f34ec96.2c0256a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ED10EE4.575B@Tomaszewski.net> MinPhoto@aol.com wrote: > > I recently came across a nicely crytallized specimen of chalcanthite from > Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with massive, the locality is given as > "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this occurance and provide more > detailed locality data, I have not been able to get more details from all of > the usual sources on or off the web. Much obliged, > Jeff Doing a search on google for 'chalcanthite blocky norway' finds seven hits with several locations, but not the one you provided. Perhaps a map search around the locations found this way might give you a corrected spelling for the location you have. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 16:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (frank de wit) Date: Sun May 25 15:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New photo's on strahlen.org Message-ID: <00fb01c32309$e402c350$8d7ba8c0@cm333814LT> Hi fellow rockhounders,=20 Ate van der Burgt and I were at the burning Anna-I dumps today and went = lucky. I uploaded the pics immediately to http://www.strahlen.org/anna/ Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun May 25 23:18:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun May 25 22:18:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway In-Reply-To: <007b01c322ec$bae87a90$0d4c8ed5@RW> Message-ID: <20030526051705.320.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> I purchased a nice lot about four years ago from Folldal, but the specimens that were put on display lasted only 4 weeks. Good Luck, Chris Wright --- Ronald Werner wrote: > Yes, but I have to temper your enthousiasm a little > bit. I have seen a > couple of specimens a couple of years ago which were > spectacular when my > boss traded them, but which degenerated within a > couple of weeks. I don't > know if this is true of all the chalcanthite from > Folldal, but you'd better > store them in exactly the right conditions. > > As far as I know they were formed rather recently in > an abandonded mine. I > don't have the MW article here, but Folldal is > indeed what this German who > discovered the chalcanthite told us. > > Chalcanthite is not abundant in Norway, but there > have been a few good > finds. > > > Ronald Werner > Postboks 2 > 4733 Evje > Norway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:25 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway > > > > I recently came across a nicely crytallized > specimen of chalcanthite from > > Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with > massive, the locality is > given as > > "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this > occurance and provide > more > > detailed locality data, I have not been able to > get more details from all > of > > the usual sources on or off the web. Much > obliged, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 11:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John@mlce.net) Date: Mon May 26 10:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030521130743.01c38628@po2.bbn.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030521130743.01c38628@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: >Early this year I took the plunge and bought a used Husqvarna model >371K 14" concrete saw on Ebay. I got a good deal and the saw even >came with a very used diamond blade. I need to buy a new blade and >am having a great deal of trouble sorting out the wide variety and >prices of blades that are available. Internet dealer prices range >from less than $50 to over $400 but the descriptions of the blades >are totally inadequate to help me decide what the best choice might >be. > >The fraction of diamonds in the cutting edge of the blade and the >depth of the cutting edge are clearly important variables but are >seldom described in the listings. The descriptions are typically >only vague labels like standard, better and best accompanied by >rapidly escalating prices. In addition there are different >categories of blades for stone, refractories, green cement, dry >cement..........too many choices and too little guidance is the norm. > >I intend to use the saw for field collecting in quarries of all >types including traprock, limestone, serpentine and perhaps even >granite pegmatites. I am hoping that there are some folks on the >list who are currently using such equipment for collecting that can >give me some suggestions either for the proper type of blade to use >(or to avoid) and/or the best compromise between blade cost and >blade life > >Your comments and recommendations will be appreciated. > >Best regards, >Nate Martin >Lexington, MA Nate, I use a company called A Cut Above in the Los Angeles, CA area for all of my abrasive needs. They are a FULL line company, carrying most all major lines and some smaller minor lines of of ALL SORTS OF ABRASIVES. Diamond lines are one of their major areas (saw a demo of a chain saw cutting through reenforces concrete beams about 12" in diam. and was it impressive). they pretty much have a 100% satisfaction policy so if you and your particular representative (Gary is my man) they will take back the slightly used but unsatisfactory item and replace it with something else. Talk to them about it and what you are in need of and your particular and specific use(s). I cannot say enough about these folks, been buying from them for years and have always been way more than happy. Their number is 800-444-2999. Do give them a call and see if they can help you out with your blade. John Dach I am not affiliated at all with these folks except that I love companies that operate like these folks do. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 11:02:31 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Diederik Visser Minerals) Date: Mon May 26 10:02:31 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway References: <105.2f34ec96.2c0256a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c322ea$54c51680$9c193591@oemcomputer> Dear Jeff, You may want to contact Torgeir T. Garmo at fossst@online.no . He has extensive knowledge of Norwegian minerals and localities. Cheers, Diederik visser http://www.dvminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway > I recently came across a nicely crytallized specimen of chalcanthite from > Norway. Translucent blue, blocky crystals with massive, the locality is given as > "Hedmark-Oppdal, Norway" Can anyone confirm this occurance and provide more > detailed locality data, I have not been able to get more details from all of > the usual sources on or off the web. Much obliged, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 11:02:37 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Mon May 26 10:02:37 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Books: "Eurpyterida of New York" Message-ID: <000501c323a8$501c84b0$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> >From someone else's web page: "Clarke, Jonn M & Rudolf Ruedemann. The Eurypterida of New York. 2 Vol. 628 pp. Including 88 plates. New York State Education Dept. 1912. (hardcover) Very good condition, but a few plates with frayed edges. (New York State Museum Memoir 14.) (oversize book , 12 inches tall) $125.00." Ours are new from the NYS museum, but have suffered some slight damage from storage and moving, notably some bending of the cover corners. Note that Vol.1 is 628 pages, Vol. II is 440. Both volumes, $99 including shipping within U.S. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 14:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon May 26 13:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030521130743.01c38628@po2.bbn.com> <003801c31fd5$18c0f5e0$f4b2950c@mel> Message-ID: <3ED27420.7060009@ptd.net> It was a coin toss whether to weigh in on this or not, but here goes... Yes, there are diamond blades made to run dry...they are configured differantly than the diamond saws used in saws for lapidary work where lubricants are required. The lapidary blades are a continuous rim blade with diamonds either directly embedded ( best ) or welded on in non-continous plates ( adequate, but in my opinion not the best buy...) . The interestesting thing about these dry blades, is that they have a ventilating groove cut from the edge of the rim toward the center which offers enough cooling so as to not melt the steel over the diamonds. I have used these with good success. I will add though that if you can offer a method to supply a continous drip of water, you will significantly extend the life of the blade. NEVER run one of these dry blade dogs without wearing a dust mask and if in a wooded area, some form of fire extinguishing material. The dust and sparks can be quite horrific. I have found the carborundum blades to have a very short life expectancy when working anything harder than un-metamorphosed limestone. I wouldnt suggest to you that this dry diamond method does not have a cost factor involved, as you WILL wear out the diamond blades, and you should always carry a spare, along with the blessed belt for the saw. They seem to be hard to come by within easy travel of rockhounding opportunities. I purchased my dry diamond blades off of ebay... ensure you get the right arbor hole size and ensure they are listed as dry use blades. Mel Albright wrote: >Road contractors have diamond blades which saw concrete pavement. You might >check with one of them. > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 18:07:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 26 17:07:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> There's an interesting article in the April 26 issue of Science News on tiger's eye...in fact it's the cover story (which in this small bulletin is only a single page). Try this URL: http://www.sciencenews.org/20030426/bob9.asp Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 19:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 26 18:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] chalcanthite from Norway Message-ID: <126.2a3fb4ef.2c041e36@aol.com> thanks for all the comments! Jeff From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 20:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon May 26 19:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > There's an interesting article in the April 26 issue of Science News on > tiger's eye...in fact it's the cover story (which in this small bulletin is > only a single page). Try this URL: > > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030426/bob9.asp > > Aloha, Kitty This article gives good details on what Tom Yancey summarized here back on 5/2 and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? Water transport of dissolved rocks, especially with heat to raise soluability, and their later deposition is currently classed as a metamorphic process. But it is pervasive and leads to a very large collection of 'secondary' minerals that share a common method of formation. It even includes some of the classic sedimentary minerals like gypsum and halite. It seems to me that hydrocrystalization is a primary method of mineral formation, and metamorphic should be pruned to just include heat and pressure. And the tiger eye issue is just another fresh example suggesting it is time to rethink what we all 'know' aboug geology. ===================================================================== The simple questions that follow are harder than you think; it just goes to show how little attention we pay to everyday, commonplace things. I pass on this quiz that came in the same mail as Kitty's post as an interesting off-topic, but relevant, coincidence. Enjoy! ---------------- I present mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Put your thinking caps on. No cheating! No looking around! No using anything on or in your desk or computer! Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) Write down your answers and check them with the answers that follow after you finish ALL the questions. GOOD LUCK! 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on the top or the bottom? 2. How many states are there? (don't laugh; some people don't know) 3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch? 4.  What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label? 5. What two letters DON'T appear on the telephone dial? 6. What two numbers on the telephone dial DON'T have letters by them? 7. When you walk, does your left arm swing with your right or left leg? 8. How many matches are in a standard pack? 9. On the American Flag, is the top stripe red, or white? 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial? 11. In America, which way does the water go down the drain, counter or clockwise? 12. Which way does the slash on a "No Smoking" sign run? 13. How many channels are on a VHF TV dial? 14. Which side of a woman's blouse are the buttons on? 15. On a NY license plate, is "New York" on the top, or the bottom? 16. Which way do fans rotate? (Ceiling fans can be changed with the touch of a button!) 17. Whose face is on a U.S. dime? 18. How many sides does a Stop Sign have? 19. Do books have even numbered pages on the right, or left side? 20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel? 21. How many sides are there on a standard pencil? 22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's missing? 23. How many hot dog buns are there in a standard package? 25. On which playing card is the manufacturer's logo? 26. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the space between the slats? (When purchasing, this is an option...) 27. On the back of a one-dollar bill, what is in the center? 28. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone telephone. Which two bear no digits? 29. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip? 30. Does a merry-go-round turn counter, or clockwise? ===================================================================== How do you think you did? Here's your chance to see how smart you think you are: 1 The green light is on the bottom. 2 There are 50 states. (please tell me you got this one) 3 The torch is in her right hand. 4 The colors are blue, red, white, yellow, black and gold. 5 The letters "Q" and "Z" DON'T appear on the telephone dial. 6 The numbers "1" and "0" DON'T have letters by them. 7 Your left arm swings with your right leg. 8 There are 20 matches in a standard pack. 9 The top stripe on the American Flag is red. 10 The lowest number on the FM dial is 88. 11 In America water goes counter clockwise down the drain. (north of the Equator) 12 The slash runs toward the bottom right on a "No Smoking" sign. 13 There are 12 channels on a VHF TV dial. (no channel 1) 14 The buttons on a woman's blouse are on the left. 15 "New York" is on the top. 16Fans turn clockwise as you look at it. 17 Roosevelt is on the U.S. dime. 18 A stop sign has 8 sides. 19 A book's pages have even numbers on the left side. 20 There are 5 lug nuts on a standard car wheel. 21 There are six sides on a standard pencil. 22 Bashful is the missing dwarf. 23 There are 8 hot dog buns in a standard package. (And 10 hot dogs in a package!) 24 Did you notice there was no question 24? 25 The manufacturer puts their logo on the Ace of Spades. 26 The cord is on the left side. 27 The word "ONE" is in the center. 28 The * and # buttons have no digits. 29 There are three curves in a standard paper clip. 30 A merry-go-round turns counter clockwise. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 21:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon May 26 20:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond Blades for Portable Saws In-Reply-To: <3ED27420.7060009@ptd.net> Message-ID: <20030527031055.61939.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> I have sold blades for 30+ years - thousands to contractors. The best larger blades are made with a high diamond content with a slit or grove as suggested. These blades are expensive and do cut best with some water, but can be used totally dry. Lortone makes a blade that is specific for dry cutting, but is only up to 8" blades. MK Diamond makes an excellent segmented blade that is sold by Raytech or themselves. Chris --- Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > It was a coin toss whether to weigh in on this or > not, but here goes... > Yes, there are diamond blades made to run dry...they > are configured > differantly than the diamond saws used in saws for > lapidary > work where lubricants are required. The lapidary > blades are a continuous > rim blade with diamonds either directly embedded ( > best ) > or welded on in non-continous plates ( adequate, but > in my opinion not > the best buy...) . > The interestesting thing about these dry blades, is > that they have a > ventilating groove cut from the edge of the rim > toward the center > which offers enough cooling so as to not melt the > steel over the > diamonds. I have used these with good success. I > will add though that if > you can offer a method to supply a continous drip of > water, you will > significantly extend the life of the blade. NEVER > run one of these dry > blade dogs without wearing a dust mask and if in a > wooded area, some > form of fire extinguishing material. The dust and > sparks can be quite > horrific. > I have found the carborundum blades to have a very > short life expectancy > when working anything harder than un-metamorphosed > limestone. > I wouldnt suggest to you that this dry diamond > method does not have a > cost factor involved, as you WILL wear out the > diamond blades, and you > should always carry a spare, along with the blessed > belt for the saw. > They seem to be hard to come by within easy travel > of rockhounding > opportunities. > I purchased my dry diamond blades off of ebay... > ensure you get the > right arbor hole size and ensure they are listed as > dry use blades. > > Mel Albright wrote: > > >Road contractors have diamond blades which saw > concrete pavement. You might > >check with one of them. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Thanks, Chris Wright Wrights Rock Shop 3612 Albert Pike Hot Springs, Arkansas 71913 wrightsr@ipa.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 22:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 26 21:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) In-Reply-To: <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526182445.02345010@mail.aloha.net> >The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there >be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten >material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid >collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two >by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation >for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? Sounds like a fine idea; makes sense. More important, my physicist husband thinks so too (he has better credentials for an opinion). I liked the point made at the end of the tiger's-eye article that museums and textbook editors are going to have to make revisions to accommodate this new information. >===================================================================== > >I present mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Put your thinking caps on. >No cheating! No looking around! No using anything on or in your desk or >computer! > >Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) OK, Kreigh, what was your score? Or is that what you mean...that you got 21? I got 19. Thanks for the test. I ask similar questions of my art students to encourage their observational skills. For example: How many sides are there on the black and white shapes on a soccer ball? And when you fold your hands, does your right thumb go on top, or your left? (It is different if you are left-handed.) One quibble, however: My physicist husband says that the idea of water going down the drain different directions depending on whether you are north or south of the equator is a myth. Think about it...what does the water do at the equator? Go straight down with no swirl? If so, how far from the equator do you have to go before the water decides to turn one way or the other? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon May 26 22:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Mon May 26 21:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001001c3240c$1a0ef060$ab01560c@oemcomputer> Kreigh, You're quite right that such rocks, formed from minerals dissolved in water, really do form a separate class. We just simply don't have any general name for them. However, salt minerals crystallized from standing bodies of surface water (lakes or seas), do come under the standard classification; they are called chemical sediments, and are considered to be a class of sedimentary rock. This can include bedded deposits of rocksalt (halite), potassium chloride (sylvite), gypsum, borates, and some limestones and dolomites. (All other sedimentary rocks, composed of preexisting particles of sediment, are called clastic sediments.) But minerals formed from waters in the subsurface are what don't have a simple name. When I teach rock & mineral classes, I tell people that the "three classes of rocks" are just a simplification, that there are these other deposits, too. Most commonly they occur as minerals in veins, though they can replace, wholly or partially, an entire bed of rock. Since most of the mineral-bearing water that such deposits come from, is hot water, our best general name for these rocks seems to be "hydrothermal mineral deposits" (thereby including hydrothermal veins, or hydrothermal replacement deposits). These include many of the well-formed crystals that minerals collectors see; much of the quartz, calcite, gypsum, pyrite, and other common crystallized minerals, form from hydrothermal mineral growth. They may clearly occur WITHIN sedimentary, metamorphic, or igneous host rocks, but the minerals themselves are neither of these. That's my view of this. Pete Modreski, Denver CO ----- Original Message ----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > There's an interesting article in the April 26 issue of Science News on > > tiger's eye...in fact it's the cover story (which in this small bulletin is > > only a single page). Try this URL: > > > > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030426/bob9.asp > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > This article gives good details on what Tom Yancey summarized here back > on 5/2 and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. > > The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there > be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten > material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid > collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two > by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation > for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? > > Water transport of dissolved rocks, especially with heat to raise > soluability, and their later deposition is currently classed as a > metamorphic process. But it is pervasive and leads to a very large > collection of 'secondary' minerals that share a common method of > formation. It even includes some of the classic sedimentary minerals > like gypsum and halite. > > It seems to me that hydrocrystalization is a primary method of mineral > formation, and metamorphic should be pruned to just include heat and > pressure. And the tiger eye issue is just another fresh example > suggesting it is time to rethink what we all 'know' aboug geology. > > ===================================================================== > > The simple questions that follow are harder than you think; it just goes > to show how little attention we pay to everyday, commonplace things. I > pass on this quiz that came in the same mail as Kitty's post as an > interesting off-topic, but relevant, coincidence. Enjoy! > > ---------------- > > I present mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Put your thinking caps on. > No cheating! No looking around! No using anything on or in your desk or > computer! > > Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) Write down your answers and > check them with the answers that follow after you finish ALL the > questions. GOOD LUCK! > > > 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on the top or the bottom? > 2. How many states are there? (don't laugh; some people don't know) > 3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch? > 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label? > 5. What two letters DON'T appear on the telephone dial? > 6. What two numbers on the telephone dial DON'T have letters by them? > 7. When you walk, does your left arm swing with your right or left leg? > 8. How many matches are in a standard pack? > 9. On the American Flag, is the top stripe red, or white? > 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial? > 11. In America, which way does the water go down the drain, counter or > clockwise? > 12. Which way does the slash on a "No Smoking" sign run? > 13. How many channels are on a VHF TV dial? > 14. Which side of a woman's blouse are the buttons on? > 15. On a NY license plate, is "New York" on the top, or the bottom? > 16. Which way do fans rotate? (Ceiling fans can be changed with the > touch of > a button!) > 17. Whose face is on a U.S. dime? > 18. How many sides does a Stop Sign have? > 19. Do books have even numbered pages on the right, or left side? > 20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel? > 21. How many sides are there on a standard pencil? > 22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's missing? > 23. How many hot dog buns are there in a standard package? > 25. On which playing card is the manufacturer's logo? > 26. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the space > between the slats? (When purchasing, this is an option...) > 27. On the back of a one-dollar bill, what is in the center? > 28. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone telephone. Which two bear no > digits? > 29. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip? > 30. Does a merry-go-round turn counter, or clockwise? > > ===================================================================== > > How do you think you did? Here's your chance to see how smart you think > you are: > > > 1 The green light is on the bottom. > 2 There are 50 states. (please tell me you got this one) > 3 The torch is in her right hand. > 4 The colors are blue, red, white, yellow, black and gold. > 5 The letters "Q" and "Z" DON'T appear on the telephone dial. > 6 The numbers "1" and "0" DON'T have letters by them. > 7 Your left arm swings with your right leg. > 8 There are 20 matches in a standard pack. > 9 The top stripe on the American Flag is red. > 10 The lowest number on the FM dial is 88. > 11 In America water goes counter clockwise down the drain. (north of the > Equator) > 12 The slash runs toward the bottom right on a "No Smoking" sign. > 13 There are 12 channels on a VHF TV dial. (no channel 1) > 14 The buttons on a woman's blouse are on the left. > 15 "New York" is on the top. > 16Fans turn clockwise as you look at it. > 17 Roosevelt is on the U.S. dime. > 18 A stop sign has 8 sides. > 19 A book's pages have even numbers on the left side. > 20 There are 5 lug nuts on a standard car wheel. > 21 There are six sides on a standard pencil. > 22 Bashful is the missing dwarf. > 23 There are 8 hot dog buns in a standard package. (And 10 hot dogs in a > package!) > 24 Did you notice there was no question 24? > 25 The manufacturer puts their logo on the Ace of Spades. > 26 The cord is on the left side. > 27 The word "ONE" is in the center. > 28 The * and # buttons have no digits. > 29 There are three curves in a standard paper clip. > 30 A merry-go-round turns counter clockwise. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 00:18:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Mon May 26 23:18:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser's Memorial Message-ID: <3ED30303.8020609@cox.net> It was still dark and cool as I drove to the Greyhound Terminal at 4:30 AM Sunday morning for the ride to Bakersfield. Was fitting that it rained as the bus drove through Orange County on its way to Los Angeles, sort of like tears from above. The ride was uneventful and I arrived at noon and was met by Esther's husband Jerry and Koral's husband Mark. There were a few already at the social hall where the Memorial was planned. Upon entering was a table with the formal portrait of Walt, tux and all, flowers and a Guest Book. Introductions were made and tears flowed, over and over again. Another table had a wonderful tableau of Walt from baby clothes through to that tux. They were wonderful pictures and stories to go along with them, much reflecting the Bowser humor which flows from Koral, Walt's daughter. There clearly were four generations present, and a large group of cousins, so many in fact that a cousins photo was taken and many cameras flashed away. Like many families, this clan is wide spread as well. I heard a phrase I have heard many times before within my own family group every time we gathered for funerals, "we have got to get together more often, not just for funerals." I think we all have to remember that in our own lives and see that we do gather the clan for happy reasons. A large and lovely spread was there for all and it was to say the least abundant, and quite tasty. There then was the time to speak about Walt, memories were shared and words brought both tears and laughter. Koral shared that her dad had accomplished his Ph.D. quietly, he simply got the degree and went on with life, a self satisfaction, a surprise when she found out. Brittany, Walt's granddaughter spoke how her wonderful grandfather was coming to her graduation next week, a trip he never got to make. Family members told about the Safari's they planned to join in on, so many regrets, so sad to hear. Then came the many stories that brought smiles and laughter, the things Walt had done to brighten the lives of those around him. The pranks he delighted in pulling, the e-mail jokes he shared. Walt kept in very close contact with family members, even his octogenarian mom Ann has her own computer and e-mail. Words passed freely between all of them. A poignant memory was shared by Roy Forrester, a rock and mineral friend who took his late stage cancer stricken wife Barbara on a Safari into Mexico with Walt. They had a wonderful time, laughed all the way and were able to see the love and respect that passed between Senor Walt and the Mexican communities they passed through. During that trip Roy shared with Walt that they have always wanted to visit the Cave of Swords which was closed to the public. Walt made that visit possible and Roy shared the photos taken inside the caves showing Barbara's obvious joy. Two months after that Safari those pictures were prominent at Barbara's funeral. Roy later joined Walt on a Safari to China. Roy, with the safari attendees guidance happily purchased quite a few specimens during that trip. This year he mounted a case and displayed it at Tucson during the Gem Shows this year, he won "Best of Show!" Walt was supposed to be there, but canceled the night before due to scans he needed. He would have so much enjoyed Roy's honor. Koral shared that upon arriving in Las Cruces she tried to get into Walt's computer. Martha had the password, but Walt, bless him had two passwords. It took a great effort on her part to get into the computer. During the two hours she labored, 1,400 messages of condolence came through from all around the world. She was amazed at the level of love that poured in, not realizing how far and wide was her father's circle of friends. Walt's mom Ann also wanted to share, she was too choked up and unable to do so. she went around the room and spoke directly to each and every one of us. For me, she gave me a Polaroid picture of the Tribute table, if I can successfully scan that into my computer, I will certainly post it for all to see. I did say Aloha to Walt for Kitty, and heard Walt's family say how many friends they now have from those who shared with them. They truly appreciate the warmth they felt from list members around the world. Walt's wife Martha and son Pepe have a great loss, and can use both love and support to get through this hard time. There was a collection box for donations at the Memorial, there is a problem setting up a Bank Trust Fund for them, a direct donation would really be appreciated. Walt's affairs were not all in order, several things were pending and now are very complicated. Any help at all would be appreciated. Koral is going back to Las Cruces to see what she can do for Martha and Pepe. I will ask Koral or Esther to verify the address in Las Cruces, I am not sure mine is the new home they just bought. In closing, I know I made the right decision in taking Greyhound. I left Bakersfield at 5 PM. The bus had quite a few younger people, some in rather shall I say Punk dress, piercings, tattoos, spike hair, etc. From their loud and raucous chatter i realized they had just all been released from prison. I know Walt was laughing his butt off all the way into L.A. My ears got a first class workout, an education I had not planned on. So long Walt, catch you later, much later I hope, about that family reunion, believe me, mine will happen and soon too. Love, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 02:29:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue May 27 01:29:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CALCANTITE References: <126.2a3fb4ef.2c041e36@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c32429$e4fc39a0$97e1fea9@1> Many years ago, I made a crystal growing experience with copper sulfate. At the time I was a student of Geology and an already avid collector of minerals. After the first little crystals appeared, I choosed some of the better formed, atached it to a thin copper wire and suspended from a rotating device, made with a dc electrical motor, into a new solution for 2 weeks, careully covered from the dust, in place with constant temperature ( well if the place is OK for the wine...). The result was a fantastic single shinning crystal of 5 cm, with a perfect shape and completely transparent. In other experiments, I got some fascinating "floater" clusters. The idea was not to fake Calcantite, but to assist to the growing of the crystals. I still treasure the crystals. After 20 years, they lost the intense blue. The color now is like turquoise, they are now opaque, but very atractive in an other way, as they dehidrated in surface. The shape is still perfect. At the time, I collected some beautyfull deep green and blue stalactites (some with 20´´) of melanterite and calcantite from the mines in Aljustrel, here in Portugal (this mines have galleries from the time of Romans, ie 2000 years) and stored them in a seled aquarium. At the back of the specimens I disguised a recipient with cotton embebed in ditilled watter. On the side I glued a hygrometer, to help to keep the humidity around 80%. I kept this for 15 years without problems, but after that the Stalactites started to crumble and oxidate. A friend of mine have some specimens of Rio Tinto (Spain) conserved with silicon oil for many years, now, and they seem OK. I do not like the oily shine of them, but they are still there. I hope you were abble to read this triclic english. Armando Afonso From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 02:34:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue May 27 01:34:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Low temperature xx quartz References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001001c3242a$a6995980$97e1fea9@1> I have some local coral fossils that were never submited to great pressures or temperatures, and they have perfect transparent crystals of quartz inside. Armando Afonso ----- Original Message ----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > There's an interesting article in the April 26 issue of Science News on > > tiger's eye...in fact it's the cover story (which in this small bulletin is > > only a single page). Try this URL: > > > > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030426/bob9.asp > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > This article gives good details on what Tom Yancey summarized here back > on 5/2 and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. > > The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there > be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten > material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid > collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two > by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation > for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? > > Water transport of dissolved rocks, especially with heat to raise > soluability, and their later deposition is currently classed as a > metamorphic process. But it is pervasive and leads to a very large > collection of 'secondary' minerals that share a common method of > formation. It even includes some of the classic sedimentary minerals > like gypsum and halite. > > It seems to me that hydrocrystalization is a primary method of mineral > formation, and metamorphic should be pruned to just include heat and > pressure. And the tiger eye issue is just another fresh example > suggesting it is time to rethink what we all 'know' aboug geology. > > ===================================================================== > > The simple questions that follow are harder than you think; it just goes > to show how little attention we pay to everyday, commonplace things. I > pass on this quiz that came in the same mail as Kitty's post as an > interesting off-topic, but relevant, coincidence. Enjoy! > > ---------------- > > I present mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Put your thinking caps on. > No cheating! No looking around! No using anything on or in your desk or > computer! > > Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) Write down your answers and > check them with the answers that follow after you finish ALL the > questions. GOOD LUCK! > > > 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on the top or the bottom? > 2. How many states are there? (don't laugh; some people don't know) > 3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch? > 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label? > 5. What two letters DON'T appear on the telephone dial? > 6. What two numbers on the telephone dial DON'T have letters by them? > 7. When you walk, does your left arm swing with your right or left leg? > 8. How many matches are in a standard pack? > 9. On the American Flag, is the top stripe red, or white? > 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial? > 11. In America, which way does the water go down the drain, counter or > clockwise? > 12. Which way does the slash on a "No Smoking" sign run? > 13. How many channels are on a VHF TV dial? > 14. Which side of a woman's blouse are the buttons on? > 15. On a NY license plate, is "New York" on the top, or the bottom? > 16. Which way do fans rotate? (Ceiling fans can be changed with the > touch of > a button!) > 17. Whose face is on a U.S. dime? > 18. How many sides does a Stop Sign have? > 19. Do books have even numbered pages on the right, or left side? > 20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel? > 21. How many sides are there on a standard pencil? > 22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's missing? > 23. How many hot dog buns are there in a standard package? > 25. On which playing card is the manufacturer's logo? > 26. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the space > between the slats? (When purchasing, this is an option...) > 27. On the back of a one-dollar bill, what is in the center? > 28. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone telephone. Which two bear no > digits? > 29. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip? > 30. Does a merry-go-round turn counter, or clockwise? > > ===================================================================== > > How do you think you did? Here's your chance to see how smart you think > you are: > > > 1 The green light is on the bottom. > 2 There are 50 states. (please tell me you got this one) > 3 The torch is in her right hand. > 4 The colors are blue, red, white, yellow, black and gold. > 5 The letters "Q" and "Z" DON'T appear on the telephone dial. > 6 The numbers "1" and "0" DON'T have letters by them. > 7 Your left arm swings with your right leg. > 8 There are 20 matches in a standard pack. > 9 The top stripe on the American Flag is red. > 10 The lowest number on the FM dial is 88. > 11 In America water goes counter clockwise down the drain. (north of the > Equator) > 12 The slash runs toward the bottom right on a "No Smoking" sign. > 13 There are 12 channels on a VHF TV dial. (no channel 1) > 14 The buttons on a woman's blouse are on the left. > 15 "New York" is on the top. > 16Fans turn clockwise as you look at it. > 17 Roosevelt is on the U.S. dime. > 18 A stop sign has 8 sides. > 19 A book's pages have even numbers on the left side. > 20 There are 5 lug nuts on a standard car wheel. > 21 There are six sides on a standard pencil. > 22 Bashful is the missing dwarf. > 23 There are 8 hot dog buns in a standard package. (And 10 hot dogs in a > package!) > 24 Did you notice there was no question 24? > 25 The manufacturer puts their logo on the Ace of Spades. > 26 The cord is on the left side. > 27 The word "ONE" is in the center. > 28 The * and # buttons have no digits. > 29 There are three curves in a standard paper clip. > 30 A merry-go-round turns counter clockwise. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 08:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 27 07:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite Message-ID: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> Hi all again, I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. Thanks, Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 09:24:31 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue May 27 08:24:31 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ED382FB.00001D.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL specime= n. The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broken = in one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to b= e=20 healed". =0D Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer could not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce (Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me a more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kind = of a big place.=0D Thanks,=0D =0D Anita =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM=0D To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite=0D =0D Hi all again,=0D I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone=0D have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or=0D anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect =0D crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science =0D teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, =0D if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain.=0D Thanks,=0D Dave=0D =0D =0D --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---=0D multipart/alternative=0D text/plain (text body -- kept)=0D text/html=0D ---=0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 09:34:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Tue May 27 08:34:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c32465$438b3800$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> Dave, I have an almost-full flat of large crystal sections from Otter Lake, Quebec (2 missing from 24). All are over 2" in at least one dimension, and all are gemmy in portions. Color is green mixed with red. Total weight is over 9 pounds. I sold the two for $19.97 each in the store. You can have the remainder of the flat for $100 + $9 S/H. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite > Hi all again, > I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone > have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or > anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect > crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science > teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, > if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. > Thanks, > Dave > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 09:48:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue May 27 08:48:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CALCANTITE References: <126.2a3fb4ef.2c041e36@aol.com> <000a01c32429$e4fc39a0$97e1fea9@1> Message-ID: <001d01c32467$4f692c70$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> I grew some copper sulfate crystals for a science class I was teaching in NH. Used the wife's aluminum cooking pan and darned if the laws of chemistry didn't work perfectly. The copper from the solution exchanged with the aluminum of the pan and copper dendrites formed. After that, the copper sulfate enclosed the copper giving some inclusions that you might have convinced a mineral collector they were natural. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armando Afonso" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:28 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] CALCANTITE > > > Many years ago, I made a crystal growing experience with copper sulfate. At > the time I was a student of Geology and an already avid collector of > minerals. > After the first little crystals appeared, I choosed some of the better > formed, atached it to a thin copper wire and suspended from a rotating > device, made with a dc electrical motor, into a new solution for 2 weeks, > careully covered from the dust, in place with constant temperature ( well if > the place is OK for the wine...). > The result was a fantastic single shinning crystal of 5 cm, with a perfect > shape and completely transparent. In other experiments, I got some > fascinating "floater" clusters. > The idea was not to fake Calcantite, but to assist to the growing of the > crystals. > I still treasure the crystals. After 20 years, they lost the intense blue. > The color now is like turquoise, they are now opaque, but very atractive in > an other way, as they dehidrated in surface. The shape is still perfect. > At the time, I collected some beautyfull deep green and blue stalactites > (some with 20´´) of melanterite and calcantite from the mines in Aljustrel, > here in Portugal (this mines have galleries from the time of Romans, ie > 2000 years) and stored them in a seled aquarium. At the back of the > specimens I disguised a recipient with cotton embebed in ditilled watter. On > the side I glued a hygrometer, to help to keep the humidity around 80%. I > kept this for 15 years without problems, but after that the Stalactites > started to crumble and oxidate. A friend of mine have some specimens of Rio > Tinto (Spain) conserved with silicon oil for many years, now, and they seem > OK. I do not like the oily shine of them, but they are still there. > > I hope you were abble to read this triclic english. > > Armando Afonso > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 10:41:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 27 09:41:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite Message-ID: <200305271640.h4RGePM7001934@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Unfortunately there are a few localities up there. Some folks can tell by looking at a photo, but just the description alone probably won't suffice. You did well to get a 6" terminated one! Hold on to that. By the way, is the matrix really pink, or is it an orange sherbet or perhaps salmon color--something in the orange range, bright hue, moderately saturated in color? Is the apatite really green-yellow, or more like a dark forest green? Is the surface mottled, as if something interfered with the complete growth of the faces, or are the faces smooth? Are the interfacial angles sharp or rounded? Don > Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL specimen. > The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink > calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broken in > one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to be > healed". > > Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer could > not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce > (Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me a > more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kind of > a big place. > > Thanks, > > > > Anita > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite > > > > Hi all again, > > I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone > > have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or > > anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect > > crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science > > teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, > > if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > . > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/related > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/gif > image/jpeg > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 10:41:27 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue May 27 09:41:27 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite In-Reply-To: <3ED382FB.00001D.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> References: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030527065428.02353220@mail.aloha.net> Bill and I got some smaller ones, but that color, at Bear Creek Diggings just outside Bancroft, Ontario (which is near Wilberforce). Aloha, Kitty At 05:23 AM 5/27/2003, you wrote: >Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL specimen. >The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink >calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broken in >one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to be >healed". > >Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer could >not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce >(Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me a >more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kind of >a big place. > >Thanks, > > > >Anita > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite > > > >Hi all again, > >I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone > >have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or > >anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect > >crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science > >teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, > >if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. > >Thanks, > >Dave > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > >text/plain (text body -- kept) > >text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/related > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/gif > image/jpeg >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 10:44:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 27 09:44:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail Message-ID: <7302455F.351CC094.022B04F3@cs.com> FYI, Allen and family are on vacation for another week or so (I think). So, I wouldn't expect a quick response from him. Mark "THOMAS BOWERS" wrote: >Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (bubbleator.drizzle.com [216.162.192.19]) >    by siaag1ae.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-2.7) with ESMTP id h4PI0wtb023915; >    Sun, 25 May 2003 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from bubbleator.drizzle.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) >    by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4PI096U024942; >    Sun, 25 May 2003 11:00:09 -0700 >Received: from hotmail.com (bay3-dav137.bay3.hotmail.com [65.54.169.167]) >    by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4PHxY6U024663 >    for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 10:59:34 -0700 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >     Sun, 25 May 2003 10:59:29 -0700 >Received: from 67.210.32.140 by bay3-dav137.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; >    Sun, 25 May 2003 17:59:29 +0000 >X-Originating-IP: [67.210.32.140] >X-Originating-Email: [aden0313@msn.com] >From: "THOMAS BOWERS" >To: >References: >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: MSN Mail 8.00.0022.3100 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V8.00.0022.3100 >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2003 17:59:29.0977 (UTC) FILETIME=[63916A90:01C322E7] >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" >Sender: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >Errors-To: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >X-BeenThere: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >List-Help: >List-Post: >List-Subscribe: , >     >List-Id: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >List-Unsubscribe: , >     >List-Archive: >X-Original-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:59:36 -0500 >Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:59:36 -0500 > > >Try: > >rockscaper (Alan Goldstein) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:16 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldsteins e-mail > > >> Hi all, >>   I just tried to e-mail Alan Goldstein, and for some reason >> the mail was returned. Does anyone know his new address? >> I know he has had problems resubscribing. Thanks, and have >> a good weekend, >> Dave >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >>   text/plain (text body -- kept) >>   text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 10:46:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 27 09:46:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite (part 2) Message-ID: <200305271645.h4RGjNM7002434@bubbleator.drizzle.com> By the way, I unfortunately don't have a lot of time right now, but I did a quick search on "otter lake apatite", "bear lake apatite", "wilberforce apatite." If no one else provides a better answer, you can use these terms to find lots of descriptions and photos. Good luck, and enjoy the piece . . . I like the idea of the healed fracture as a geological specimen, and would rather have that than a perfect 6-incher. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 10:47:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Tue May 27 09:47:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> <3ED382FB.00001D.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <04a701c3246f$ae094a00$0dc694d1@remains> a good deal of the material is from Otter Lake in Ontario a friend of mine used to have (one of the ) claims on the area before he died......don't know who's working it now. maybe Rod Tyson..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Westlake" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL specimen. The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broken in one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to be healed". Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer could not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce (Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me a more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kind of a big place. Thanks, Anita -------Original Message------- From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite Hi all again, I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. Thanks, Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds . --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 10:57:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue May 27 09:57:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030527065428.02353220@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002301c32470$ed4d9e90$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> The are quite a few localities in Quebec and Ontario which produce big apatite crystals. You'll need a local field collector to help you with the label. There are only a few commercial localities, but many a field collector has sold a flat or two to help pay expenses. You may have specimens from a major or minor location. Good luck. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite > Bill and I got some smaller ones, but that color, at Bear Creek Diggings > just outside Bancroft, Ontario (which is near Wilberforce). > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 05:23 AM 5/27/2003, you wrote: > > >Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL specimen. > >The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink > >calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broken in > >one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to be > >healed". > > > >Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer could > >not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce > >(Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me a > >more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kind of > >a big place. > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Anita > > > > > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > > > > > >From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > >Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM > > > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite > > > > > > > >Hi all again, > > > >I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone > > > >have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or > > > >anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect > > > >crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science > > > >teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, > > > >if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > >multipart/alternative > > > >text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > >text/html > > > >--- > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > >Subscription Services: > > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >. > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/related > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > image/gif > > image/jpeg > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 11:13:58 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue May 27 10:13:58 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <200305271640.h4RGePM7001934@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3ED39C94.000023.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Hi Don:=0D Thanks for your reply. To answer your questions:=0D =0D The matrix is really pink. Pink pink pink all the way through. It looks f= or all the world like the beautiful pink marble that comes from Tate, Georgi= a.=0D Don't forget the small clumps of purple fluorite.=0D The color is probably darker green than yellow. (I'm at work and the specimen is at home.)=0D I think the surface of the xl is more rough than smooth. =0D The interfacial angles are sharp.=0D At least I think the xl is 6 inches long. You know that women have troubl= e with measurements. =0D =0D Anita=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:41:21 PM=0D To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite=0D =0D Unfortunately there are a few localities up there. Some folks can tell by= =0D looking at a photo, but just the description alone probably won't suffice= =2E You =0D did well to get a 6" terminated one! Hold on to that.=0D =0D By the way, is the matrix really pink, or is it an orange sherbet or perh= aps =0D salmon color--something in the orange range, bright hue, moderately saturated =0D in color? Is the apatite really green-yellow, or more like a dark forest = =0D green? Is the surface mottled, as if something interfered with the comple= te =0D growth of the faces, or are the faces smooth? Are the interfacial angles sharp =0D or rounded?=0D =0D Don=0D =0D > Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL speci= men =0D > The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink=0D > calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broke= n in=0D > one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to= be =0D > healed". =0D > =0D > Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer cou= ld=0D > not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce=0D > (Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me= a=0D > more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kin= d of=0D > a big place.=0D > =0D > Thanks,=0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > Anita =0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > -------Original Message-------=0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D > =0D > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM=0D > =0D > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D > =0D > Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite=0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > Hi all again,=0D > =0D > I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone=0D > =0D > have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or=0D > =0D > anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect =0D > =0D > crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science =0D > =0D > teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, =0D > =0D > if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain.=0D > =0D > Thanks,=0D > =0D > Dave=0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---=0D > =0D > multipart/alternative=0D > =0D > text/plain (text body -- kept)=0D > =0D > text/html=0D > =0D > ---=0D > =0D > _______________________________________________=0D > =0D > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D > =0D > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D > =0D > Subscription Services:=0D > =0D > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D > =0D > . =0D > =0D > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---=0D > multipart/related=0D > multipart/alternative=0D > text/plain (text body -- kept)=0D > text/html=0D > image/gif=0D > image/jpeg=0D > ---=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D > Subscription Services:=0D > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 11:21:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue May 27 10:21:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite (part 2) References: <200305271645.h4RGjNM7002434@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3ED39E42.000026.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Yeah, the healed fracture is pretty cool. Imagine the crystal laying acro= ss the matrix in a perfectly horizontal position. The right 1/3 of the cryst= al is pointing up at an angle comparable to the space between the 2 and the = 3 on a clock=0D Thanks for the ideas on searching the web under those place names. (Geez, you'd think a librarian could figure that out all by herself....)=0D =0D Anita=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:46:14 PM=0D To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite (part 2)=0D =0D By the way, I unfortunately don't have a lot of time right now, but I did= a =0D quick search on "otter lake apatite", "bear lake apatite", "wilberforce =0D apatite." If no one else provides a better answer, you can use these term= s to =0D find lots of descriptions and photos.=0D =0D Good luck, and enjoy the piece . . . I like the idea of the healed fractu= re as =0D a geological specimen, and would rather have that than a perfect 6-incher= =2E=0D =0D Don=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 11:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue May 27 10:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite In-Reply-To: <3ED39C94.000023.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> References: <200305271640.h4RGePM7001934@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030527073443.02950cc0@mail.aloha.net> At 07:12 AM 5/27/2003, you wrote: >At least I think the xl is 6 inches long. You know that women have trouble >with measurements. >Anita Uh-oh, Anita, you're letting yourself in for a lot of smart remarks now! I can hardly wait to see what Axel posts, if he's out there. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 13:41:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Tue May 27 12:41:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine References: <7014D6CD65A2D611887900805FBE0149564BDE@exchangewv1.atk.com> Message-ID: <026e01c32486$bcf81b60$3f9c76d5@pandora.be> Thanks to all who answered on or off line. Sincerely, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davis, Dennis" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine > It is only a view point experience. Lived there for 50 years. Never in the > working pit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: herwig pelckmans [mailto:herwig.pelckmans@pandora.be] > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:53 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Bingham COP Copper Mine > > > Hi All, > > A friend of mine is going to Utah and is interested in visiting the "Bingham > Canyon Open Pit Copper Mine" near Salt Lake City. Is this a "viewpoint > only" experience, or are there tours conducted for interested visitors ? > Any info is highly appreciated. > > Sincerely, Herwig > > Herwig Pelckmans > Worldwide Mineral Collector > Cardijnstraat 12 > B-3530 Helchteren > Belgium Europe > http://www.xlizd.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 15:19:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Harris) Date: Tue May 27 14:19:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ashanite Message-ID: <3ED3D594.000012.02596@bigbertha> Hi, I have a sizeable lump of Ashanite (now an IMA discredited name) on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3224&item=2176760349 It is a weird radioactive uranium, niobium, tantalum oxide. Never seen it for sale anywhere.... I cannot recall where I got it from! Please check it out if you are interested! best regs dave harris IMCA #0092 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 15:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue May 27 14:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite Message-ID: <200305272128.h4RLSV0X030655@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I have seen that type in matrix, but there is probably more than one named locality for it. All of mine are in orange-colored calcite and the apatites are dark green. I have heard that called "Bear Lake" apatite but have never, ever seen one with a label for some reason. This is only general information and the interested reader should pursue the matter independently. It is not the size of the crystal that is impotrant; it is the completeness of the termination. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 20:20:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue May 27 19:20:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030526182445.02345010@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3ED41D1D.727E@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > >The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there > >be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten > >material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid > >collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two > >by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation > >for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? > > Sounds like a fine idea; makes sense. More important, my physicist > husband thinks so too (he has better credentials for an opinion). I liked > the point made at the end of the tiger's-eye article that museums and > textbook editors are going to have to make revisions to accommodate > this new information. I'm willing to bet it will be more than 20 years before we stop seeing the asbestos pseudomorph 'truth' stop appearing. It has been around long enough to be a truely classic 'urban legend'. > > >===================================================================== > >Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) > > OK, Kreigh, what was your score? Or is that what you mean...that you > got 21? I got 19. Thanks for the test. I ask similar questions of my art I got them all right this time, but I will admit having guessed at a few -- and I'de seen the test several times before. > students to encourage their observational skills. For example: How many > sides are there on the black and white shapes on a soccer ball? And when 5 and 6 because they are a mix of pentagons and hexagons, like buckyballs or geodesic domes? > you fold your hands, does your right thumb go on top, or your left? (It is > different if you are left-handed.) I have problems with this question because I fold my hands both ways (but the left thumb is on top more than half the time -- I'm right handed). > > One quibble, however: My physicist husband says that the idea of water going > down the drain different directions depending on whether you are north or > south > of the equator is a myth. Think about it...what does the water do at the > equator? > Go straight down with no swirl? If so, how far from the equator do you have > to go > before the water decides to turn one way or the other? I agree with Bill that the coriolis effect is really too subtle to affect water in drains. But it does affect atmospheric circulation around low pressure areas in weather systems. Urban ledgends are everywhere. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 20:25:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue May 27 19:25:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> <001001c3240c$1a0ef060$ab01560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3ED41E3D.235C@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks Pete! I wasn't familiar with the term 'chemical sediments'. Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Kreigh, > > You're quite right that such rocks, formed from minerals dissolved in water, > really do form a separate class. We just simply don't have any general name > for them. > > However, salt minerals crystallized from standing bodies of surface water > (lakes or seas), do come under the standard classification; they are called > chemical sediments, and are considered to be a class of sedimentary rock. > This can include bedded deposits of rocksalt (halite), potassium chloride > (sylvite), gypsum, borates, and some limestones and dolomites. (All other > sedimentary rocks, composed of preexisting particles of sediment, are called > clastic sediments.) > > But minerals formed from waters in the subsurface are what don't have a > simple name. When I teach rock & mineral classes, I tell people that the > "three classes of rocks" are just a simplification, that there are these > other deposits, too. Most commonly they occur as minerals in veins, though > they can replace, wholly or partially, an entire bed of rock. Since most of > the mineral-bearing water that such deposits come from, is hot water, our > best general name for these rocks seems to be "hydrothermal mineral > deposits" (thereby including hydrothermal veins, or hydrothermal replacement > deposits). These include many of the well-formed crystals that minerals > collectors see; much of the quartz, calcite, gypsum, pyrite, and other > common crystallized minerals, form from hydrothermal mineral growth. They > may clearly occur WITHIN sedimentary, metamorphic, or igneous host rocks, > but the minerals themselves are neither of these. > > That's my view of this. > > Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > > There's an interesting article in the April 26 issue of Science News on > > > tiger's eye...in fact it's the cover story (which in this small bulletin > is > > > only a single page). Try this URL: > > > > > > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030426/bob9.asp > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > This article gives good details on what Tom Yancey summarized here back > > on 5/2 and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. > > > > The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there > > be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten > > material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid > > collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two > > by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation > > for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? > > > > Water transport of dissolved rocks, especially with heat to raise > > soluability, and their later deposition is currently classed as a > > metamorphic process. But it is pervasive and leads to a very large > > collection of 'secondary' minerals that share a common method of > > formation. It even includes some of the classic sedimentary minerals > > like gypsum and halite. > > > > It seems to me that hydrocrystalization is a primary method of mineral > > formation, and metamorphic should be pruned to just include heat and > > pressure. And the tiger eye issue is just another fresh example > > suggesting it is time to rethink what we all 'know' aboug geology. > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > The simple questions that follow are harder than you think; it just goes > > to show how little attention we pay to everyday, commonplace things. I > > pass on this quiz that came in the same mail as Kitty's post as an > > interesting off-topic, but relevant, coincidence. Enjoy! > > > > ---------------- > > > > I present mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Put your thinking caps on. > > No cheating! No looking around! No using anything on or in your desk or > > computer! > > > > Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) Write down your answers and > > check them with the answers that follow after you finish ALL the > > questions. GOOD LUCK! > > > > > > 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on the top or the bottom? > > 2. How many states are there? (don't laugh; some people don't know) > > 3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch? > > 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label? > > 5. What two letters DON'T appear on the telephone dial? > > 6. What two numbers on the telephone dial DON'T have letters by them? > > 7. When you walk, does your left arm swing with your right or left leg? > > 8. How many matches are in a standard pack? > > 9. On the American Flag, is the top stripe red, or white? > > 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial? > > 11. In America, which way does the water go down the drain, counter or > > clockwise? > > 12. Which way does the slash on a "No Smoking" sign run? > > 13. How many channels are on a VHF TV dial? > > 14. Which side of a woman's blouse are the buttons on? > > 15. On a NY license plate, is "New York" on the top, or the bottom? > > 16. Which way do fans rotate? (Ceiling fans can be changed with the > > touch of > > a button!) > > 17. Whose face is on a U.S. dime? > > 18. How many sides does a Stop Sign have? > > 19. Do books have even numbered pages on the right, or left side? > > 20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel? > > 21. How many sides are there on a standard pencil? > > 22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's missing? > > 23. How many hot dog buns are there in a standard package? > > 25. On which playing card is the manufacturer's logo? > > 26. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the space > > between the slats? (When purchasing, this is an option...) > > 27. On the back of a one-dollar bill, what is in the center? > > 28. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone telephone. Which two bear no > > digits? > > 29. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip? > > 30. Does a merry-go-round turn counter, or clockwise? > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > How do you think you did? Here's your chance to see how smart you think > > you are: > > > > > > 1 The green light is on the bottom. > > 2 There are 50 states. (please tell me you got this one) > > 3 The torch is in her right hand. > > 4 The colors are blue, red, white, yellow, black and gold. > > 5 The letters "Q" and "Z" DON'T appear on the telephone dial. > > 6 The numbers "1" and "0" DON'T have letters by them. > > 7 Your left arm swings with your right leg. > > 8 There are 20 matches in a standard pack. > > 9 The top stripe on the American Flag is red. > > 10 The lowest number on the FM dial is 88. > > 11 In America water goes counter clockwise down the drain. (north of the > > Equator) > > 12 The slash runs toward the bottom right on a "No Smoking" sign. > > 13 There are 12 channels on a VHF TV dial. (no channel 1) > > 14 The buttons on a woman's blouse are on the left. > > 15 "New York" is on the top. > > 16Fans turn clockwise as you look at it. > > 17 Roosevelt is on the U.S. dime. > > 18 A stop sign has 8 sides. > > 19 A book's pages have even numbers on the left side. > > 20 There are 5 lug nuts on a standard car wheel. > > 21 There are six sides on a standard pencil. > > 22 Bashful is the missing dwarf. > > 23 There are 8 hot dog buns in a standard package. (And 10 hot dogs in a > > package!) > > 24 Did you notice there was no question 24? > > 25 The manufacturer puts their logo on the Ace of Spades. > > 26 The cord is on the left side. > > 27 The word "ONE" is in the center. > > 28 The * and # buttons have no digits. > > 29 There are three curves in a standard paper clip. > > 30 A merry-go-round turns counter clockwise. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue May 27 23:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Christian Auer) Date: Tue May 27 22:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] List Message-ID: <000d01c324d5$9f3dd750$8696da3e@Auerchri> Hi List, Just a short note to let you now you`ve got a new member. Some of you probably know me already or had personal contact. Looking forward to communicate with you! Chris Auer ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://www.euromins.com for the advanced mineral colletor http://www.wulfenite.com for the wulfenite enthusiast http://www.minerlamps.com for the mining lamp collector ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 02:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 28 01:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Lapidary Estate Sale picked clean by the rock buzzards this mo... Message-ID: <13.1d4c36c2.2c05bd78@aol.com> All I can say is that I never get to go to these sales for a variety of reasons including that I live in San Diego, so when the chance to check it out arose after my daughter's soccer activities concluded on Sunday afternoon, I went, fully expecting it to be picked over and I was not disappointed. Linda forewarned me that a crowd had descended on the place Saturday when I called to ask directions. She made me the same nice offer to take what I wanted for free and not to worry about the fact that she wouldn't be there. I want to thank all of you who didn't show up including my sister, Marta, as well as those who did, and were nice enough to overlook the fist sized and smaller dryhead agate nodules that I managed to find mixed in with other leaverite rocks of little or no interest. Yes, at first glance, it looked like there wasn't anything worthwhile left for the discriminating collector, but fortunately I didn't accept first glance. Thanks again! Tom --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 12:04:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 28 11:04:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Lapidary Estate Sale picked clean by the rock buzzards this mo... Message-ID: <13.1d4c36c2.2c05bd78@aol.com> All I can say is that I never get to go to these sales for a variety of reasons including that I live in San Diego, so when the chance to check it out arose after my daughter's soccer activities concluded on Sunday afternoon, I went, fully expecting it to be picked over and I was not disappointed. Linda forewarned me that a crowd had descended on the place Saturday when I called to ask directions. She made me the same nice offer to take what I wanted for free and not to worry about the fact that she wouldn't be there. I want to thank all of you who didn't show up including my sister, Marta, as well as those who did, and were nice enough to overlook the fist sized and smaller dryhead agate nodules that I managed to find mixed in with other leaverite rocks of little or no interest. Yes, at first glance, it looked like there wasn't anything worthwhile left for the discriminating collector, but fortunately I didn't accept first glance. Thanks again! Tom --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 12:11:51 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed May 28 11:11:51 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> <001001c3240c$1a0ef060$ab01560c@oemcomputer> <3ED41E3D.235C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009301c32506$6775a2e0$6a9c77d5@pandora.be> For the record: we often use the term "evaporites" for minerals that form in evaporating seas or lakes. Should we stop doing that? ;-))) Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) > Thanks Pete! I wasn't familiar with the term 'chemical sediments'. > > Kreigh > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > Kreigh, > > > > You're quite right that such rocks, formed from minerals dissolved in water, > > really do form a separate class. We just simply don't have any general name > > for them. > > > > However, salt minerals crystallized from standing bodies of surface water > > (lakes or seas), do come under the standard classification; they are called > > chemical sediments, and are considered to be a class of sedimentary rock. > > This can include bedded deposits of rocksalt (halite), potassium chloride > > (sylvite), gypsum, borates, and some limestones and dolomites. (All other > > sedimentary rocks, composed of preexisting particles of sediment, are called > > clastic sediments.) > > > > But minerals formed from waters in the subsurface are what don't have a > > simple name. When I teach rock & mineral classes, I tell people that the > > "three classes of rocks" are just a simplification, that there are these > > other deposits, too. Most commonly they occur as minerals in veins, though > > they can replace, wholly or partially, an entire bed of rock. Since most of > > the mineral-bearing water that such deposits come from, is hot water, our > > best general name for these rocks seems to be "hydrothermal mineral > > deposits" (thereby including hydrothermal veins, or hydrothermal replacement > > deposits). These include many of the well-formed crystals that minerals > > collectors see; much of the quartz, calcite, gypsum, pyrite, and other > > common crystallized minerals, form from hydrothermal mineral growth. They > > may clearly occur WITHIN sedimentary, metamorphic, or igneous host rocks, > > but the minerals themselves are neither of these. > > > > That's my view of this. > > > > Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > > > > There's an interesting article in the April 26 issue of Science News on > > > > tiger's eye...in fact it's the cover story (which in this small bulletin > > is > > > > only a single page). Try this URL: > > > > > > > > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030426/bob9.asp > > > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > This article gives good details on what Tom Yancey summarized here back > > > on 5/2 and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. > > > > > > The details again bring to mind a question I have long had; should there > > > be a fourth method of rock formation? Igneous rocks form from molten > > > material. Sedimentary rocks are formed by weathering and fluid > > > collection. Metamorphic rocks are formed by alteration of the first two > > > by heat and/or pressure. Should there be a specific class of formation > > > for rocks that crystalize from dissolved substances in water? > > > > > > Water transport of dissolved rocks, especially with heat to raise > > > soluability, and their later deposition is currently classed as a > > > metamorphic process. But it is pervasive and leads to a very large > > > collection of 'secondary' minerals that share a common method of > > > formation. It even includes some of the classic sedimentary minerals > > > like gypsum and halite. > > > > > > It seems to me that hydrocrystalization is a primary method of mineral > > > formation, and metamorphic should be pruned to just include heat and > > > pressure. And the tiger eye issue is just another fresh example > > > suggesting it is time to rethink what we all 'know' aboug geology. > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > The simple questions that follow are harder than you think; it just goes > > > to show how little attention we pay to everyday, commonplace things. I > > > pass on this quiz that came in the same mail as Kitty's post as an > > > interesting off-topic, but relevant, coincidence. Enjoy! > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > I present mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Put your thinking caps on. > > > No cheating! No looking around! No using anything on or in your desk or > > > computer! > > > > > > Can you beat 21? (The average is seven) Write down your answers and > > > check them with the answers that follow after you finish ALL the > > > questions. GOOD LUCK! > > > > > > > > > 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on the top or the bottom? > > > 2. How many states are there? (don't laugh; some people don't know) > > > 3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch? > > > 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label? > > > 5. What two letters DON'T appear on the telephone dial? > > > 6. What two numbers on the telephone dial DON'T have letters by them? > > > 7. When you walk, does your left arm swing with your right or left leg? > > > 8. How many matches are in a standard pack? > > > 9. On the American Flag, is the top stripe red, or white? > > > 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial? > > > 11. In America, which way does the water go down the drain, counter or > > > clockwise? > > > 12. Which way does the slash on a "No Smoking" sign run? > > > 13. How many channels are on a VHF TV dial? > > > 14. Which side of a woman's blouse are the buttons on? > > > 15. On a NY license plate, is "New York" on the top, or the bottom? > > > 16. Which way do fans rotate? (Ceiling fans can be changed with the > > > touch of > > > a button!) > > > 17. Whose face is on a U.S. dime? > > > 18. How many sides does a Stop Sign have? > > > 19. Do books have even numbered pages on the right, or left side? > > > 20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel? > > > 21. How many sides are there on a standard pencil? > > > 22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's missing? > > > 23. How many hot dog buns are there in a standard package? > > > 25. On which playing card is the manufacturer's logo? > > > 26. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the space > > > between the slats? (When purchasing, this is an option...) > > > 27. On the back of a one-dollar bill, what is in the center? > > > 28. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone telephone. Which two bear no > > > digits? > > > 29. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip? > > > 30. Does a merry-go-round turn counter, or clockwise? > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > How do you think you did? Here's your chance to see how smart you think > > > you are: > > > > > > > > > 1 The green light is on the bottom. > > > 2 There are 50 states. (please tell me you got this one) > > > 3 The torch is in her right hand. > > > 4 The colors are blue, red, white, yellow, black and gold. > > > 5 The letters "Q" and "Z" DON'T appear on the telephone dial. > > > 6 The numbers "1" and "0" DON'T have letters by them. > > > 7 Your left arm swings with your right leg. > > > 8 There are 20 matches in a standard pack. > > > 9 The top stripe on the American Flag is red. > > > 10 The lowest number on the FM dial is 88. > > > 11 In America water goes counter clockwise down the drain. (north of the > > > Equator) > > > 12 The slash runs toward the bottom right on a "No Smoking" sign. > > > 13 There are 12 channels on a VHF TV dial. (no channel 1) > > > 14 The buttons on a woman's blouse are on the left. > > > 15 "New York" is on the top. > > > 16Fans turn clockwise as you look at it. > > > 17 Roosevelt is on the U.S. dime. > > > 18 A stop sign has 8 sides. > > > 19 A book's pages have even numbers on the left side. > > > 20 There are 5 lug nuts on a standard car wheel. > > > 21 There are six sides on a standard pencil. > > > 22 Bashful is the missing dwarf. > > > 23 There are 8 hot dog buns in a standard package. (And 10 hot dogs in a > > > package!) > > > 24 Did you notice there was no question 24? > > > 25 The manufacturer puts their logo on the Ace of Spades. > > > 26 The cord is on the left side. > > > 27 The word "ONE" is in the center. > > > 28 The * and # buttons have no digits. > > > 29 There are three curves in a standard paper clip. > > > 30 A merry-go-round turns counter clockwise. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 12:12:41 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rollins) Date: Wed May 28 11:12:41 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ashanite References: <3ED3D594.000012.02596@bigbertha> Message-ID: <007f01c3253b$ac6f9d80$390611ac@willows> Why would anyone want it if you don't know where it came from?!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Harris To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Ashanite > Hi, > I have a sizeable lump of Ashanite (now an IMA discredited name) on eBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3224&item=2176760349 > > It is a weird radioactive uranium, niobium, tantalum oxide. > > Never seen it for sale anywhere.... I cannot recall where I got it from! > > Please check it out if you are interested! > > best regs > > dave harris > > IMCA #0092 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 12:18:28 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 28 11:18:28 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Message-ID: <115.23f51e0a.2c0633cc@aol.com> Hi again, I am also looking for topaz for hardness kits. I hope the thread doesn't get corrupted like it did yesterday, when I tried to find some apatites, which I am still looking for. Thanks all, and no offense to those yesterday that replied to the apatite thread, but failed to answer the question. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 14:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed May 28 13:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz Message-ID: <4c.1d52f198.2c067179@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/03 11:19:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BETDAV97@aol.com writes: > > I am also looking for topaz for hardness kits. I hope the thread > doesn't get corrupted like it did yesterday, when I tried to find > some apatites There are a lot of topaz from Topaz Mountain, UT that would work for that. A person can screen out hundreds in a few hours. I don't have enough to sell but maybe somebody else does. grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 14:25:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed May 28 13:25:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz References: <115.23f51e0a.2c0633cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <175501c32557$583e3480$0ccb94d1@remains> try these guys: majo@lasercom.net brazilliantgems@aol.com neweragems@aol.com bluecrystal@hubwest.com they are listed as Topaz delers (the last couple are Utah lapidary comapnies) if all else fails, I have a small amount (many small xls) of Brazillian imperial topaz here...crappy stuff, but it's topaz. as well, a friend of mine may have a few kilos of Nigerian colourless material......crystals and water worn pebbles ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz > Hi again, > I am also looking for topaz for hardness kits. I hope the thread > doesn't get corrupted like it did yesterday, when I tried to find > some apatites, which I am still looking for. Thanks all, and no > offense to those yesterday that replied to the apatite thread, > but failed to answer the question. > Dave > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed May 28 15:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed May 28 14:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topaz References: <115.23f51e0a.2c0633cc@aol.com> <175501c32557$583e3480$0ccb94d1@remains> Message-ID: <17c501c3255c$27afafb0$0ccb94d1@remains> for the apatite, try this guy: Tysons' Fine Minerals E-mail Address(es): tysonsminerals@tysons-minerals.com > > > > Hi again, > > I am also looking for topaz for hardness kits. I hope the thread > > doesn't get corrupted like it did yesterday, when I tried to find > > some apatites, which I am still looking for. Thanks all, and no > > offense to those yesterday that replied to the apatite thread, > > but failed to answer the question. > > Dave > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 11:04:41 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Armando Afonso) Date: Thu May 29 10:04:41 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CRACK IN QUARTZ References: <115.23f51e0a.2c0633cc@aol.com> <175501c32557$583e3480$0ccb94d1@remains> <17c501c3255c$27afafb0$0ccb94d1@remains> Message-ID: <001401c325cc$1f43d0c0$97e1fea9@1> One of my best crystals of Quartz falled on the floor, and what was a magnificient specimen, now have an very evident internal crack, like a weill. I would like to desguise the fracture in some way, perhaps some kind of liquid with the same refraction index introduced by capilarity, as the fracture starts on an edge, or something else. I would appreciate some help on this. Armando Afonso From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 11:13:42 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 29 10:13:42 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks Message-ID: <4d.30116d90.2c078578@aol.com> Hello all, Thanks to all that replied in my quest for some hardness minerals. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 11:22:14 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu May 29 10:22:14 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <169.1f21600f.2c04d569@aol.com> <3ED382FB.00001D.01104@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <004401c32606$d92a6780$9a05efd1@oemcomputer> The fluorite in the matrix would strongly suggest Otter Lake, Quebec. It's best not to buy specimens without exact locality information; when more than one locality produces exactly the same thing it can be impossible to tell them apart, rendering the specimen scientifically valueless. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Westlake" To: ; Sent: May 27, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite > Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL specimen. > The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink > calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broken in > one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to be > healed". > Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer could > not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce > (Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me a > more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kind of > a big place. > Thanks, > > Anita > > -------Original Message------- > > From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite > > Hi all again, > I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone > have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or > anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect > crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science > teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok, > if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain. > Thanks, > Dave > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > . > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/related > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/gif > image/jpeg > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 13:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 29 12:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CRACK IN QUARTZ Message-ID: <200305291950.h4TJoJKF006328@bubbleator.drizzle.com> First, let me mention that quartz is uniaxial, omega=1.543-1.545, epsilon=1.552-1.554, which in plain English means the principal refractive index changes depending upon which axis you are viewing. So, assuming you could find a stable filler that excatly matched one of the RIs of your particular specimen, it still would not match the RI as viewed through the other axis. This might be acceptable if you always viewed the crystal rfom one direction. Cargille Laboratories makes precision refractive index liquids (at precision prices!), but these remain liquid. I am fairly certain that there is either an epoxy to match the RIs of quartz (there is definitely one for glass), or you can have a lab like Cargille make a custom formulation for you. But as I said, that would only be sufficient for one particular direction. Then, with a hairline fracture, you would need to worry about the viscosity of the filler and whether it would flow into such a fine crack. Heat would only exacerbate the problem--as I discovered when I was cleaning rusty quartz in a crock pot using oxalic acid solution, and all the crystals, which had appeared flawless, developed some spectacular and intricate flaws during their warm bath. At least they were rust-free in the end. Final result: while I hesitate to say this is impossible--since many things are possible in this greatest of all possible worlds--I would say, sadly, it is extremely unlikely you would be able to remediate this problem. Don > One of my best crystals of Quartz falled on the floor, and what was a > magnificient specimen, now have an very evident internal crack, like a > weill. I would like to desguise the fracture in some way, perhaps some kind > of liquid with the same refraction index introduced by capilarity, as the > fracture starts on an edge, or something else. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 14:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu May 29 13:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CRACK IN QUARTZ In-Reply-To: <200305291950.h4TJoJKF006328@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Could you inject it with waterglass? Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 14:50 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] CRACK IN QUARTZ > > > > First, let me mention that quartz is uniaxial, omega=1.543-1.545, > epsilon=1.552-1.554, which in plain English means the principal > refractive > index changes depending upon which axis you are viewing. So, > assuming you > could find a stable filler that excatly matched one of the RIs of your > particular specimen, it still would not match the RI as viewed > through the > other axis. This might be acceptable if you always viewed the > crystal rfom one > direction. > > Cargille Laboratories makes precision refractive index liquids > (at precision > prices!), but these remain liquid. I am fairly certain that > there is either an > epoxy to match the RIs of quartz (there is definitely one for > glass), or you > can have a lab like Cargille make a custom formulation for you. > But as I said, > that would only be sufficient for one particular direction. Then, with a > hairline fracture, you would need to worry about the viscosity of > the filler > and whether it would flow into such a fine crack. Heat would > only exacerbate > the problem--as I discovered when I was cleaning rusty quartz in > a crock pot > using oxalic acid solution, and all the crystals, which had > appeared flawless, > developed some spectacular and intricate flaws during their warm > bath. At > least they were rust-free in the end. > > Final result: while I hesitate to say this is impossible--since > many things are > possible in this greatest of all possible worlds--I would say, > sadly, it is > extremely unlikely you would be able to remediate this problem. > > Don > > > > One of my best crystals of Quartz falled on the floor, and what was a > > magnificient specimen, now have an very evident internal crack, like a > > weill. I would like to desguise the fracture in some way, > perhaps some kind > > of liquid with the same refraction index introduced by > capilarity, as the > > fracture starts on an edge, or something else. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 14:37:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Christian Auer) Date: Thu May 29 13:37:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] CRACK IN QUARTZ References: <200305291950.h4TJoJKF006328@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000b01c32621$bbb603b0$89f198d4@Auerchri> You should also remember that a filler can change the colour after years. Unless its a fine citrine your specimen wouldn`t look nice with a yellow filler. There was an articel in Min.Record sometimes about such preparations! Maybe someone can look it up? Chris Auer ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: http://www.euromins.com for the advanced mineral colletor http://www.wulfenite.com for the wulfenite enthusiast http://www.minerlamps.com for the mining lamp collector ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 15:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 29 14:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HOW TO SUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <138.20568e22.2c07d3b2@aol.com> OK Folks, I admit I'm getting old. Somebody asked me how to subscribe to this list. I don't remember how I did it. Can someone send me instructions so I can forward them on? Now let me see if I can remember more. There are several blue rocks on my bookcase. One is lapis, one sodalite, one turquoise. yep. I can still recognize them. Thank goodness, I do remember important things. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 15:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu May 29 14:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HOW TO SUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: <138.20568e22.2c07d3b2@aol.com> Message-ID: See footer / signature at the bottom of this message. Cheers! Aaron, who's thesis proposal is DONE! > OK Folks, > > I admit I'm getting old. Somebody asked me how to subscribe to this list. I > don't remember how I did it. Can someone send me instructions so I can forward > them on? > > Now let me see if I can remember more. There are several blue rocks on my > bookcase. One is lapis, one sodalite, one turquoise. yep. I can still recognize > them. Thank goodness, I do remember important things. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox "You can fix anything with a big enough hammer and a lot of duct tape" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 15:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu May 29 14:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] HOW TO SUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: References: <138.20568e22.2c07d3b2@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030529120539.02946160@mail.aloha.net> At 11:33 AM 5/29/2003, you wrote: >See footer / signature at the bottom of this message. > >Cheers! > >Aaron, who's thesis proposal is DONE! Congratulations, Aaron. Now begins the "fun" part: doing the thesis. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 16:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Thu May 29 15:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Update: CDN Discovery Channel Precious Stone Series Message-ID: Hi everyone, Sorry to bother you with this again but if you have access to the Canadian Discovery Channel, I have just received updated broadcast times for the precious stone series "Stones of Fate & Fortune." The new dates/times are as follows - all times are EST: Monday, June 2, 2003 at 1:00pm: "Stones of Seduction" (Ruby & Sapphire) Thursday, June 5, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Topaz of Brazil" Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Green Fever: The Colombian Emerald" Thursday, June26, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Synthesizing the Stone" Thursday, July 3, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Treasure of the Outback" (Opal) Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 9:00pm: "The Gem of Life" (Amber) Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 9:00pm: "Birth of a Gem" (Ammolite) The series will air on Thursday nights at 9:00pm and will be re-broadcast the following Fridays at 1:00am, 10:00am and 4:00pm and on the following Mondays at 1:00pm. These are the latest dates given to the producer by Discovery Channel (on 28 May 2003) and are subject to change without notice. A number of persons have contacted me in response to my previous post on this series asking will it be broadcast in the United States and will it be available on video. I can't answer these questions yet, but should be able to in two to three weeks time at which time I will post again. Cheers & thanks, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 19:21:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu May 29 18:21:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser's Memorial Message-ID: <1ea.9cfc3d3.2c080bd9@aol.com> Very nice Terrie! It sounds like it was a fitting memorial for Walt! We'll miss him! Thank you for telling us about it! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu May 29 21:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu May 29 20:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser's Memorial In-Reply-To: <1ea.9cfc3d3.2c080bd9@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030529175113.03c133a0@mail.aloha.net> At 03:20 PM 5/29/2003, you wrote: >Very nice Terrie! It sounds like it was a fitting memorial for Walt! We'll >miss him! Thank you for telling us about it! > Jackie > I got this message several hours ago, but still haven't gotten the original post from Terrie. Is it just a glitch in our system or has anybody else missed it? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 00:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu May 29 23:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho Message-ID: <54AEBD00-9265-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Greetings list members, I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite in the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you all with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out of a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while John and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel jaws of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John and Fred)... Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from my mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait until tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need to get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has the opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to do on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens are grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to do when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim specimens! If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If not, ignore my message tomorrow. Regards, Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 04:30:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri May 30 03:30:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite References: <004401c32606$d92a6780$9a05efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3ED7328B.000001.01180@anitaw.library.emory.edu> Hi Tim:=0D Thanks for the info. on Otter Lake. =0D I totally agree about not buying specimens unless the location is know= n. In fact, I often tell dealers that I would love to have the piece, but it= 's worthless to me without a location. Sometimes the dealer, upon hearing th= is, will say "Oh. The label fell off: it's from blah blah blah." Now I don't know whether they're making it up to make a sale, or not. =0D This particular piece is quite beautiful and attractive. The angle at which the crystal broke and healed is the most eye-catching feature of th= e entire 20 pound specimen. At the time, I accepted the scant location information, knowing that my rockhound associates would help me pin it do= wn. Thanks to everyone for your input.=0D =0D Anita =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 01:24:43 PM=0D To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite=0D =0D The fluorite in the matrix would strongly suggest Otter Lake, Quebec.=0D =0D It's best not to buy specimens without exact locality information; when m= ore=0D than one locality produces exactly the same thing it can be impossible to= =0D tell them apart, rendering the specimen scientifically valueless.=0D =0D Cheers,=0D =0D Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com=0D Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com=0D The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Anita Westlake" =0D To: ; =0D Sent: May 27, 2003 11:23 AM=0D Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Apatite=0D =0D =0D > Speaking of apatite from Canada, I recently purchased a BEAUTIFUL=0D specimen.=0D > The terminated xl is about 6 inches long and rests in a matrix of pink=0D > calcite with fluorite. The crystal is darkish green-yellow and is broke= n=0D in=0D > one place. The thin crack filled in later with calcite so it appears to= be=0D > healed".=0D > Anyway, I spent a lot of money on this piece even though the dealer cou= ld=0D > not tell me anything more than it came from Canada. Isn't Wilberforce=0D > (Ontario?) a famous locale for apatite? Any chance anyone could give me= a=0D > more specific location without actually seeing the piece? Canada is kin= d=0D of=0D > a big place.=0D > Thanks,=0D >=0D > Anita=0D >=0D > -------Original Message-------=0D >=0D > From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52:15 AM=0D > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=0D > Subject: [Rockhounds] Apatite=0D >=0D > Hi all again,=0D > I seem to be bothering the list a lot lately. Does anyone=0D > have any sections of apatite from Canada, or Mexico? Or=0D > anywhere else for that matter. They don't have to be perfect=0D > crystals, as they will be going into Hardness Kits for science=0D > teachers, and will be abused anyway. Perfect crystals are ok,=0D > if they are cheap enough, I'm never one to pass up a bargain.=0D > Thanks,=0D > Dave=0D >=0D >=0D > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---=0D > multipart/alternative=0D > text/plain (text body -- kept)=0D > text/html=0D > ---=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D > Subscription Services:=0D > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D > .=0D >=0D > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---=0D > multipart/related=0D > multipart/alternative=0D > text/plain (text body -- kept)=0D > text/html=0D > image/gif=0D > image/jpeg=0D > ---=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D > Subscription Services:=0D > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D >=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List=0D WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds=0D Subscription Services:=0D http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds=0D =2E=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 10:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Fri May 30 09:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION Message-ID: <3ED78CF5.D9AEB2D8@epix.net> Hi, Does anyone know when ULTRAVIOLATION is this year? Thank you, Bob http://uvbob.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 12:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri May 30 11:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION References: <3ED78CF5.D9AEB2D8@epix.net> Message-ID: <1177201c326d5$6ed861f0$0ccb94d1@remains> I guess when depends on whether you're in prison or not....... did I really say that?? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McGuire" To: Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION > Hi, > > Does anyone know when ULTRAVIOLATION is this year? > > Thank you, > Bob > > http://uvbob.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 12:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 30 11:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION Message-ID: <1d9.a9b7ceb.2c08f80f@aol.com> it should be on october 25th in fairless hills Pa Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 13:24:57 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Green/Robin Lyn Green) Date: Fri May 30 12:24:57 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION References: <1d9.a9b7ceb.2c08f80f@aol.com> Message-ID: <004401c326df$0e0b7420$9600000a@alltel.net> I'm curious. What you talking about? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION > it should be on october 25th in fairless hills Pa > > > Greg Lesinski > GSLROCKS > 4726 Porter Center Rd. > Lewiston NY > 14092 > Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books > website www.gslrocks.com > GSLROCKS@AOL.COM > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 13:39:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 30 12:39:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultraviolation Message-ID: <1a9.156a9c29.2c090d19@aol.com> it is a fun show ...the lights are on for ten minutes then off for 20 minutes. There is a wide variety of fluorescent material available. The best part for all us fluorescent nuts is you get to see the items you are looking for in the best way possible.....THE DARK! lit up by various wavelengths of ultraviolet light. The people there are great and friendly. it is a one day show 8 am till 4 pm the variety of material and atmosphere make it a must do show for people intereted in fluorescent minerals. You will see and learn much by talking to the collectors/dealers that are present. Greg Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 13:43:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 30 12:43:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultraviolation Message-ID: <1aa.1541c9a9.2c090e22@aol.com> if you need directions and further infomation contact Larry kennedy at uvrocks@mindspring.com he is the person in charge of the show. Greg Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 13:58:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 30 12:58:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultraviolation Message-ID: <200305301957.h4UJvGT0023471@bubbleator.drizzle.com> And just to reiterate the point in case it wasn't obvious, it is a fluorescent-only show, one of the few of its kind. Those periods of darkness are really neat. For those who might like to attend and never have before, a word of warning: bring plastic safety goggles to protect your eyes! You can find them in the construction safety section of hardware stores, and the label will tell you about the level of UV protection. Most of them block 98-99% of shortwave UV (what they probably call "UV-C"). Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 14:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Robert McGuire) Date: Fri May 30 13:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION References: <1d9.a9b7ceb.2c08f80f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ED7BB13.C23E0E6E@epix.net> Thanks Greg, I knew it was October but wasn't sure if they always have a set Saturday or not. I was sure everyone knew what ULTRAVIOLATION was but you know about "assuming". Greg is correct: It is....THE SHOW for fluorescent mineral collectors. Enjoy, Bob http://uvbob.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gslrocks@aol.com wrote: > > it should be on october 25th in fairless hills Pa > > Greg Lesinski > GSLROCKS > 4726 Porter Center Rd. > Lewiston NY > 14092 > Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books > website www.gslrocks.com > GSLROCKS@AOL.COM > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 14:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 30 13:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultraviolation Message-ID: <8f.2d73b6f8.2c091994@aol.com> Believe me! Don knows what he is talking about in that department! LOL We always have them handy for customers to use... a must when using high powered UV lighting. Iam sure some people thought i was crazy for making them wear the glasses. Unless they have seen the sunburn you get from being under UV lamps for 7-8 hrs. Greg --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 14:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chengi Kuo) Date: Fri May 30 13:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION Message-ID: <2191408.1054328024160.JavaMail.nobody@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I might have been able to figure out what ULTRAVIOLATION was. But I was clueless trying to figure out what ULTEAVIOLATION was. Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 15:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Fri May 30 14:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ULTEAVIOLATION References: <2191408.1054328024160.JavaMail.nobody@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3ED7CA1D.53AB2CD0@att.net> That was all too funny. I was just waiting to see how the thread would evolve. As Michael hinted, the locals have made their own play-on-words names for the event, most if not all of which are unprintable. As far as what ULTEAVIOLATION is, that is what happens when your finger slips a little to the left (the first thing I did was look at my keyboard to figure out how U.V. Bob did that). And as far as Greg is concerned, for the record it was the *reflected* light, from Greg's TripleBright, not even a direct exposure, that fried my eyes the last time. I spent that night with ice packs, methylcellulose, and Visine on my eyes; by the next mid-morning I could open them up enough to drive, though I had to wear sunglasses constantly for two more days. "I don't like you guys carrying those things around." -- Don Newsome, maker of TripleBright Chengi Kuo wrote: > > I might have been able to figure out what ULTRAVIOLATION was. But I was clueless trying to figure out what ULTEAVIOLATION was. > > Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 15:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Stockwell) Date: Fri May 30 14:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho References: <54AEBD00-9265-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: <3ED7E054.3A36BFE7@ix.netcom.com> Looking forward to them, Lanny. John Lanny wrote: > Greetings list members, > > I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where > John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite in > the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite > specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US > Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you all > with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on > the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out of > a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while John > and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel jaws > of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John > and Fred)... > > Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from my > mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the > fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of > "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high > desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that > spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait until > tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need to > get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has the > opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to do > on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens are > grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to do > when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim specimens! > > If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If not, > ignore my message tomorrow. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 19:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Alison) Date: Fri May 30 18:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] swedish members Message-ID: <3ED7FF6D.174462C7@plateautel.net> Hi Gang, I was wondering if there are any members of this list who are from Sweden and/or know how to speak Swedish? I need a word translation. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Allison From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 19:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri May 30 18:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] swedish members In-Reply-To: <3ED7FF6D.174462C7@plateautel.net> Message-ID: Have you tried babblefish? http://www.babblefish.com/babblefish/bfish_lang.htm Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Wayne & Alison > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 20:04 > To: rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] swedish members > > > Hi Gang, > I was wondering if there are any members of this list who are > from Sweden and/or know how to speak Swedish? I need a word translation. > Please contact me off-list. Thanks. > Allison > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 20:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri May 30 19:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> <001001c3240c$1a0ef060$ab01560c@oemcomputer> <3ED41E3D.235C@Tomaszewski.net> <009301c32506$6775a2e0$6a9c77d5@pandora.be> Message-ID: <006501c3271e$86a888c0$8a00560c@oemcomputer> Axel, Sorry I have been slow replying to your comment, ----- Original Message ----- From: Axel Emmermann > For the record: we often use the term "evaporites" for minerals that form in > evaporating seas or lakes. > Should we stop doing that? ;-))) And you're quite right, evaporites is a perfectly good name for these mineral deposits. (Some that I named, such as limestones, form more by chemical and biochemical changes in the water rather than simple evaporation, hence "chemical sediments" is a more appropriate name for them than "evaporites".) Sincerely, Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 21:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri May 30 20:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Walt Bowser's Memorial Message-ID: <20030531033856.GIHD2488.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Kitty, Did it ever get to you? I posted it before I left Oceanside for Plano. Graduation was very nice, I return home tomorrow. I can resend it from there. I am using webmail here and cannot access my inbox. Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri May 30 23:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri May 30 22:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho In-Reply-To: <3ED7E054.3A36BFE7@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <14092886-9329-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Hi John and all intersted list members, It was a long day, and too late for most of you, but I finally got photos ready and a web page completed on the heulandite mining operations of this week. I was down there Monday - Wednesday. John and Fred are still down there, and they expect to complete their work this weekend. Here are the urls to the reports on mining this year, the first is the specific page of the new report, and the second is the main Challis deposit page: http://www.mineralnews.com/challisimages/Challis2003.html http://www.mineralnews.com/Challis.html Anyone interested in specimens of some excellent heulandite and mordenite contact John Cornish: j&gcornish@tenforward.com Don't be surprised if when he gets home and rested up that he comes up with his own report. Afterall, the wind must have been roaring through there steadily the last half of the week and I'm sure the temperature must have zoomed to 95, afterall, that's the way the area seems to greet John, giving him something to write about... . Regards, Lanny On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 03:51 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > Looking forward to them, Lanny. > > John > > Lanny wrote: > >> Greetings list members, >> >> I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where >> John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite in >> the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite >> specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US >> Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you >> all >> with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on >> the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out of >> a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while John >> and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel jaws >> of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John >> and Fred)... >> >> Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from my >> mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the >> fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of >> "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high >> desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that >> spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait until >> tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need >> to >> get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has >> the >> opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to >> do >> on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens are >> grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to >> do >> when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim >> specimens! >> >> If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If >> not, >> ignore my message tomorrow. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lanny >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 31 03:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (horstwindisch) Date: Sat May 31 02:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] swedish members References: <3ED7FF6D.174462C7@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <003801c32758$fa7542e0$364127c4@horstspc> Hi Wayne and Alison, Try a mineral friend of mine, who resides in Sweden. I'm sure he would be able to help you, as he is fluent in Swedish and English. Contact Lars Pihl at e-mail larspihl.pihlafro@swipnet.se. Regards, Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne & Alison" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] swedish members > Hi Gang, > I was wondering if there are any members of this list who are > from Sweden and/or know how to speak Swedish? I need a word translation. > Please contact me off-list. Thanks. > Allison > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 31 07:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat May 31 06:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho In-Reply-To: <14092886-9329-11D7-8BAE-000393AC22E6@mineralnews.com> Message-ID: Now that report and the ones of John are why I like this list. Excelllent! Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:31 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mining heulandite in Challis, Idaho > > > Hi John and all intersted list members, > > It was a long day, and too late for most of you, but I finally got > photos ready and a web page completed on the heulandite mining > operations of this week. I was down there Monday - Wednesday. John and > Fred are still down there, and they expect to complete their work this > weekend. > > Here are the urls to the reports on mining this year, the first is the > specific page of the new report, and the second is the main Challis > deposit page: > > http://www.mineralnews.com/challisimages/Challis2003.html > > http://www.mineralnews.com/Challis.html > > Anyone interested in specimens of some excellent heulandite and > mordenite contact John Cornish: j&gcornish@tenforward.com > > Don't be surprised if when he gets home and rested up that he comes up > with his own report. Afterall, the wind must have been roaring through > there steadily the last half of the week and I'm sure the temperature > must have zoomed to 95, afterall, that's the way the area seems to > greet John, giving him something to write about... . > > Regards, > > Lanny > > On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 03:51 PM, John Stockwell wrote: > > > Looking forward to them, Lanny. > > > > John > > > > Lanny wrote: > > > >> Greetings list members, > >> > >> I was hoping I could send greetings from the Rat's Nest claim where > >> John Cornish (author of previous "soppy" tales of mining heulandite in > >> the heat and snow and wind...) is presently mining more heulandite > >> specimens, but Verizon Wireless still hasn't contracted with US > >> Cellular for service in the Challis area, so I couldn't torment you > >> all > >> with live tales that began with something like: Here I am sitting on > >> the floor of the cut watching a giant steel monster take a bite out of > >> a lava flow bearing spectacular pink crystals of heulandite while John > >> and Fred hustle to recover specimens before the unforgiving steel jaws > >> of the monster crushes the life out of them (the specimens, not John > >> and Fred)... > >> > >> Instead, now that I'm back in Coeur d'Alene, a long drive away from my > >> mine, I can relate the tale in words and pictures a little after the > >> fact. If you want to see photographic evidence that the author of > >> "soppy" tales really does sweat it out in a sun-baked cut on a high > >> desert hill in Central Idaho in a relentless search for that > >> spectacular (or is it "killer") heulandite-mordenite geode, wait until > >> tomorrow, and I'll have some photos up on the web. Right now, I need > >> to > >> get caught up on rest and sleep. John is a slave driver when he has > >> the > >> opportunity to "use" a "captive audience," but what else is there to > >> do > >> on a hot afternoon when the trackhoe is idle, collected specimens are > >> grabbing up all available space, and, well, there is nothing else to > >> do > >> when the view in 360 degrees is dirt and sage brush? You trim > >> specimens! > >> > >> If you would like some fresh photos of the project, stay tuned. If > >> not, > >> ignore my message tomorrow. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lanny > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat May 31 15:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat May 31 14:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030526141617.009e5bf0@mail.aloha.net> <3ED2D476.1406@Tomaszewski.net> <001001c3240c$1a0ef060$ab01560c@oemcomputer> <3ED41E3D.235C@Tomaszewski.net> <009301c32506$6775a2e0$6a9c77d5@pandora.be> <006501c3271e$86a888c0$8a00560c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005701c327be$378c0aa0$949f77d5@pandora.be> I shall sleep on both ears again... thanks you. Axel Emmermann Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Home : Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 Mortsel Belgium Tel: +32 (0)3 295.35.54 E-mail: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Visit our homepage: http://www.minerant.org/index.html Bezoek onze web-site: http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html My own web-site: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tiger's eye article (and the questions it raises) > Axel, > > Sorry I have been slow replying to your comment, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Axel Emmermann > > For the record: we often use the term "evaporites" for minerals that form > in > > evaporating seas or lakes. > > Should we stop doing that? ;-))) > > And you're quite right, evaporites is a perfectly good name for these > mineral deposits. > (Some that I named, such as limestones, form more by chemical and > biochemical changes in the water rather than simple evaporation, hence > "chemical sediments" is a more appropriate name for them than "evaporites".) > > Sincerely, Pete Modreski > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >