From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 1 06:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed Oct 1 05:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: Message-ID: <000801c38819$34b62ca0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Can you post a digital picture of the texture you have. Genuine immiscibility textures which can be seen in thin section are difficult to find. Sounds like you're "on" to something! Unfortunately the rutile-brookite-anatase stability is racked with even greater kinetic issues than the aluminosilicate phase relations. Just tried to look up the reference and wasn't where it should be. Will see if I can find it. I found a three phase TiO2 assemblage in a pegmatite and thought it had meaning, but no such luck. For the readers, these are the two worst cases of phase relationships being "dicey" that I know of. Almost all phase diagrams are meaningful. The tax dollars are not being wasted. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:28 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question > Hi all, > > >What you say is generally true, but the example mentioned specified two > >silicates and there is no mixing issue there. > > I was writing this with a specific kind of diorite rock in mind. I don't > know the English word for it, but a polished section looks like it contains > fat balls in a soup. :-) It also was formed by immiscibility, or am I > completely wrong here? > > >phases present. There are several places where you can find andalusite, > >kyanite, and sillimanite in a hand specimen, but there is no reason to > >believe that the assemblage formed at the triple point or even if the host > > This reminds me of a Quartz specimen in my collection from the Polar Urals, > which contains the three phases Rutile, Brookite and Anatase all within a cm > from eachother. Is that a triple point mineral, or is this system also > heavily effected by kinetics?? > > Cheers, > Maurice > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 1 07:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Oct 1 06:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question In-Reply-To: <000801c38819$34b62ca0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: >Can you post a digital picture of the texture you have. Genuine >immiscibility textures which can be seen in thin section are difficult to >find. Sounds like you're "on" to something! No, it is a pretty common rock. Alltough I never encountered it myself. I will look through my books and sent you a pic. Cheers, Maurice From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 2 10:34:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:34:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] MSDS for monobromonapthalene? storage requirements? Message-ID: <3F7C53C9.B591B2CC@att.net> Greetings, One of my superiors, on the verge of retirement, gave me his heavy specific gravity liquids: a pint each of methylene iodide, bromoform, and monobromonapthalene. They are currently in dark brown glass bottles. I found the MSDS for the first two, but not for the monobromonapthalene. In fact I found very little on it. Does anyone know why that might be? Does it go by another name? Is it no longer produced? I will not use it until I know what gear I should wear. The index of the CRC does not list it either. While we are on the subject, does anyone know a better way to store these? The faint smell of mothballs rises from the monobromo- bottle, and I would like to transfer it to a NIOSH-approved leakproof Nalgene container. Any advice on the best storage is welcome. Money is no object; if I need to spend $100 on each container to keep myself safe and healthy, so be it. Thanks, Don P.S. Now where oh where is that Clerici's solution? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 2 10:42:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chris Auer) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:42:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] MSDS for monobromonapthalene? storage requirements? References: <3F7C53C9.B591B2CC@att.net> Message-ID: <000501c38904$20c2aed0$10f598d4@chris> Hi Don, Maybe this helps you: http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/gravity.htm Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "rockhounds" ; "R&F" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] MSDS for monobromonapthalene? storage requirements? > > Greetings, > > One of my superiors, on the verge of retirement, gave me his heavy > specific gravity liquids: a pint each of methylene iodide, bromoform, > and monobromonapthalene. They are currently in dark brown glass > bottles. > > I found the MSDS for the first two, but not for the > monobromonapthalene. In fact I found very little on it. Does anyone > know why that might be? Does it go by another name? Is it no longer > produced? I will not use it until I know what gear I should wear. The > index of the CRC does not list it either. > > While we are on the subject, does anyone know a better way to store > these? The faint smell of mothballs rises from the monobromo- bottle, > and I would like to transfer it to a NIOSH-approved leakproof Nalgene > container. Any advice on the best storage is welcome. Money is no > object; if I need to spend $100 on each container to keep myself safe > and healthy, so be it. > > Thanks, > > Don > > P.S. Now where oh where is that Clerici's solution? > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 2 11:03:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Oct 2 10:03:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Discovery Channel shows References: <000801c38819$34b62ca0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <0f8e01c38907$0b1a3870$4bca94d1@remains> Hi A few months back, someone on the list (was it Hans Durstling??) posted some info about shows on the Canadian Discovery Channel about gemstones....a whole series of them on Topaz, Opal, etc. Hans, if this was you, can you please email me offlist. I need some info on these shows. thanks Michael From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 2 12:01:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:01:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] MSDS for monobromonapthalene? storage requirements? In-Reply-To: <3F7C53C9.B591B2CC@att.net> Message-ID: <003601c3890f$12b655c0$8fc7f051@maxdata> Depending on the position of the Br-substituent, you have the choice between 1-bromonaphtalene or 2-bromonaphtalene (alternative name = alpha-resp. beta-naphtyl bromide) CAS-# 90-11-9 Merck-# 806210 resp. 818830 The safety data sheet can be found at http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/MSDS/index.htm via the incorporated search engine (search for "bromonaphtalene"). This will not be of great help, however, as for many parameters you will find "... not fully investigated..." At first sight I would think that there are no serious safety risks. Best regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H *Sent: donderdag 2 oktober 2003 18:35 *To: rockhounds; R&F *Subject: [Rockhounds] MSDS for monobromonapthalene? storage *requirements? * * * *Greetings, * *One of my superiors, on the verge of retirement, gave me his *heavy specific gravity liquids: a pint each of methylene *iodide, bromoform, and monobromonapthalene. They are *currently in dark brown glass bottles. * *I found the MSDS for the first two, but not for the *monobromonapthalene. In fact I found very little on it. Does *anyone know why that might be? Does it go by another name? *Is it no longer produced? I will not use it until I know what *gear I should wear. The index of the CRC does not list it either. * *While we are on the subject, does anyone know a better way to *store these? The faint smell of mothballs rises from the *monobromo- bottle, and I would like to transfer it to a *NIOSH-approved leakproof Nalgene container. Any advice on the *best storage is welcome. Money is no object; if I need to *spend $100 on each container to keep myself safe and healthy, so be it. * *Thanks, * *Don * *P.S. Now where oh where is that Clerici's solution? *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 2 14:01:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (H.Durstling) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:01:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Discovery Channel shows Message-ID: Hi Michael, Hi all, Yes it was me that posted about the Discovery Channel precious stone series earlier in the year. I'll re-cap a little. Essentially I posted that since I had first originated the concept and written the proposal, five years and many vicissitudes had passed and that the series was now, at last, about to be broadcast. Which it was, on the Canadian Discovery Channel, earlier this summer. After that first airing many people emailed me to ask was the entire series available on video, and to that the answer, regrettably, is still no, or at least not yet. My understanding is that the contract between the production company and the CDN Disc. Ch. excludes marketing the series ("Stones of Fate and Fortune" incidentally is the series title) directly to the consumer for a certain length of time which I believe is one year. The series is presently being re-run, again on the Canadian Discovery Channel. We did not expect a re-run so soon. Hence I like to think that the word-of-mouth that got back to the Discovery Channel has been good, which is gratifying. I've also been asked will there be a second season of new episodes. Again (so far) the answer is "no". And yet, if any Canadian viewers should choose to email the Discovery Channel with comments like, "hey this is really great stuff, please, let's have more of this!..." well, broadcasters do listen to public feedback. Moreover they listen very very! intently. You'd be surprised to see just how much attention viewer comments actually do get. So ask, ask, ask, and ye just may receive. The schedule for the present re-runs can be found here: http://www.discovery.ca/ontv/series.asp?series=43601237 (Michael, if you need more specific information than that, please email me off list.) Ecclesiastes 10:19 Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada ====================== Hi > >A few months back, someone on the list (was it Hans Durstling??) posted some >info about shows on the Canadian Discovery Channel about gemstones....a >whole series of them on Topaz, Opal, etc. > >Hans, if this was you, can you please email me offlist. I need some info on >these shows. > >thanks > >Michael > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 08:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison) Date: Fri Oct 3 07:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock-n-Gem recent issue Message-ID: <3F7D9335.9030201@plateautel.net> For those of you that know us out here in New Mexico please check out page 17 in the most recent issue of Rock -n- Gem. Allison & Wayne From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 11:48:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Oct 3 10:48:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Refraction? I don't think so... In-Reply-To: <003001c386cf$3662c220$b0730543@uswest.net> Message-ID: <003001c389d6$915836b0$6601a8c0@moose> Check out this MSNBC story: http://www.msnbc.com/news/975467.asp The picture caption says: "The Hope Diamond, center, flanked by the Heart of Eternity diamond at left and the Blue Heart diamond at right, are tested for their light-refracting qualities at the Smithsonian's Natural History Museum in Washington on Thursday." 'scuse me, but that sure looks like one of Don's SuperBright SW UV lamps shining UV on them thar diamonds! The article does go on to talk about the UV fluorescence...but the initial caption is all wrong. Oh well... GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 12:14:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:14:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Refraction? I don't think so... Message-ID: <200310031813.h93IDKwp011937@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Good call my friend--that certainly looks like a SuperBright. That whole article was pretty dumbed-down. Not once did the mention the term "phosphorescence," which is what I believe they were really observing given the context of the article. And when they mention use of a laser, one might imagine they are talking about laser Raman spectroscopy--though the article is so riddled with errors and vagueness that it is impossible to tell. The author seems so in love with the hocus-pocus surrounding the Hope Diamond that he forgot to focus on the science at hand. Bread and circuses for sure. Then we see this statement: "Scientific analysis of the diamonds had to wait until the Smithsonian had the instruments to conduct the work, since taking the diamond somewhere else would be a security problem, Post said." What instruments? No doubt a UV light provides some useful information, but that would cerrtainly be qualitative, not quantitative. Oy. Don > Check out this MSNBC story: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/975467.asp > > The picture caption says: > > "The Hope Diamond, center, flanked by the Heart of Eternity diamond at left > and the Blue Heart diamond at right, are tested for their light-refracting > qualities at the Smithsonian's Natural History Museum in Washington on > Thursday." > > 'scuse me, but that sure looks like one of Don's SuperBright SW UV lamps > shining UV on them thar diamonds! The article does go on to talk about the > UV fluorescence...but the initial caption is all wrong. Oh well... > > GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 15:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Fri Oct 3 14:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Russia Message-ID: Hi All, Frank de Wit gave me 'some' room on his server. One day he will regret that decision because I'm building a large site there about Russian mineralogy. The site will have information of Russian localities and minerals. I just began building and only completed parts of the Kola peninsula. There should be more info, photo's and maps added regurlarly. If you have any photo's of rare Russian systematic minerals, which you think are worth publishing on my site, drop me a line. check it out at: http://maurice.strahlen.org Cheers, Maurice --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 16:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Refraction? I don't think so... Message-ID: <91.33b1c6ee.2caf4e4d@aol.com> My impression from reading the story, in spite of the reporter's incompetence to be covering such news, was that there were multiple tests being conducted including spectroscopy. The fact that they were confirming the presence of boron certainly suggested that they were doing something of that nature, and I'm sure the story was accurate regarding the fact of special equipment being brought in. Ed --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 18:11:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:11:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] MSDS for monobromonapthalene? storage requirements? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/2/03 9:38:12 AM, morningstar@worldnet.att.net writes: << Greetings, One of my superiors, on the verge of retirement, gave me his heavy specific gravity liquids: a pint each of methylene iodide, bromoform, and monobromonapthalene. They are currently in dark brown glass bottles.>>> Dark brown glass is the best storage solution. Use "polyseal" caps if possible. There are caps with little snap-in polypropylene cones that form tight seals. When I was in grad school I routinely used these to store stinky or volatile materials with little concern. <<>> There are in fact two different substances that could be called "monobromonaphthalene." These are 1-bromonaphthalene (or alpha-bromonaphthalene) and 2-bromonaphthalene (or beta-bromonaphthalene). Your material could be either or a mixture. The density of the 1-bromo compound is 1.489. I do not have the density of the 2-bromo compound. A google search on 'bromonaphthalene msds' gave a few dozen hits, so I imagine you'll find what you are loking for by that route. <<>> Brown glass with polyseal caps. These bottle should be no more than a few dollars each. I might even be able to round up a few for you, if you can trade me a few rocks.... Steve Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry University of California Los Angeles From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 18:11:15 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Stevens Junior.) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:11:15 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] PRIVATE AND URGENT ASSISTANCE. Message-ID: <200310022143.h92LhRGT007948@bubbleator.drizzle.com> ATTN: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED You may be surprise to receive this Email from me since you do not know me personally.However, I would like to introduce myself. I am Michael Stevens = Junior, the son of Doctor. Simon Stevens. Who was murdered few months ago in Zimbabwe, as a result of land dispute? Before the death of my father (Dr. Stevens), he had taken me to Amsterdam and deposit the sum of Fifteen Million United States dollars (US$15,000,000) in a security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe. The money in question was deposited in a box as Gemstones to avoid much demurrage from the security company. The proposed amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the farms and establishment of new farms on Swaziland. As you may be aware this land problem came into force when Zimbabwe president Mr. Robert Mugabe Introduced the Land Reformed Act of which my father rich farmers and some black farmers where affected. This resulted to the killing and Mob action by Zimbabwe war veterans and some lunatics in the society, a lot of people were killed because of this Land reformed act of which my dad was one of the victims. It is against this background that my family and Iaugustim who are currently staying in Amsterdam decided to transfer my father's money to a foreign account. Since the Dutch law prohibit a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any account or be involved in any financial transaction. As The eldest son of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where the money could be transferred. I am faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in Holland for the fear of going through the same experience in future since both countries have similar history. Moreover, The Netherlands foreign exchange policy does not allow such investment from asylum seekers. I humbly solicit for your assistance in the following: 1) Pay a short working day visit to Amsterdam the Netherlands so that we see face to face, Have a table talk that would create confidence in me that the funds will be safe in your hands and have an agreement from an advocate, which will be duly and legally sign in his chambers before taken any step in this transaction. 2) Get the entire necessary document regarding this transaction and claim the boxes from the security company, open an account in your name with a local bank here and deposit the money for onward transfer to your designated account in overseas. 3) Make a good arrangement for investment and do invest the money for me, I am willing to give you some percentage for your assistance on this, and I offer you 15%. 5% for any expenses, including your telephone calls and any other expenses that may arise during this process. 80% would be invested and you get your wages monthly for managing the funds. Contact me on the above Email, provide me with your telephone and fax number so we can discuss further and a chance for you to ask me any question you may have in mind, while you maintain the absolute secrecy required in the transaction. Please kindly get back to me with your detail contacts. Sincere Regards, Michael Stevens Junior. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 18:11:16 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (UV SYSTEMS, Inc.) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:11:16 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Refraction? I don't think so... References: <200310031407710.SM01112@mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <000501c389de$e1355660$0bfea8c0@DON> I agree that the short article is bad. As you can tell it was written for the short attention span uneducated public. There is no doubt that it shows a UV SYSTEMS, Inc. SuperBright 2000SW ultraviolet light, but it certainly is not the best photo of fluorescence diamonds. Check my web site and look at Photos, then Mineral specimens, then Diamond. Don Newsome UV SYSTEMS, Inc. 16605 127th Ave. SE Renton, WA 98058-5549 Phone (425) 228-9988 FAX (425) 793-8712 Email: info@uvsystems.com Web site: www.uvsystems.com To order call toll free: 1-877-689-5142 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Refraction? I don't think so... > > > Good call my friend--that certainly looks like a SuperBright. That whole > article was pretty dumbed-down. Not once did the mention the term > "phosphorescence," which is what I believe they were really observing given > the context of the article. And when they mention use of a laser, one might > imagine they are talking about laser Raman spectroscopy--though the article is > so riddled with errors and vagueness that it is impossible to tell. > > The author seems so in love with the hocus-pocus surrounding the Hope Diamond > that he forgot to focus on the science at hand. Bread and circuses for sure. > > Then we see this statement: "Scientific analysis of the diamonds had to wait > until the Smithsonian had the instruments to conduct the work, since taking > the diamond somewhere else would be a security problem, Post said." What > instruments? No doubt a UV light provides some useful information, but that > would cerrtainly be qualitative, not quantitative. Oy. > > Don > > > > Check out this MSNBC story: > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/975467.asp > > > > The picture caption says: > > > > "The Hope Diamond, center, flanked by the Heart of Eternity diamond at left > > and the Blue Heart diamond at right, are tested for their light-refracting > > qualities at the Smithsonian's Natural History Museum in Washington on > > Thursday." > > > > 'scuse me, but that sure looks like one of Don's SuperBright SW UV lamps > > shining UV on them thar diamonds! The article does go on to talk about the > > UV fluorescence...but the initial caption is all wrong. Oh well... > > > > GcB > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 18:11:18 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:11:18 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Refraction? I don't think so... Message-ID: <200310032343.h93NhKw4019437@bubbleator.drizzle.com> (I'm not writing this from my home computer, so it will probably be delayed until approved by the rockhounds majordomo, before being posted to the list) Somewhere in the past, I believe I've read that the Hope Diamond has a strong red fluorescence, and I'm sure I once saw a photograph in a magazine article, showing its red fluorescence. In fact, I've looked for that article & photo, but I don't believe I've ever found it (in Gems & Gemology, perhaps??)--has anyone ever seen such a photo? It does look red in the photo with the Superbright shining on it. ---Pete Modreski > Check out this MSNBC story: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/975467.asp > > The picture caption says: > > "The Hope Diamond, center, flanked by the Heart of Eternity diamond at left > and the Blue Heart diamond at right, are tested for their light-refracting > qualities at the Smithsonian's Natural History Museum in Washington on > Thursday." > > 'scuse me, but that sure looks like one of Don's SuperBright SW UV lamps > shining UV on them thar diamonds! The article does go on to talk about the > UV fluorescence...but the initial caption is all wrong. Oh well... > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 18:22:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:22:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN]Oops! Message-ID: Sorry, y'all. I ended up forwarding a Nigerian-esque scam email by mistake. Wasn't watching where I was clicking when I processed the mailing list bounces. Won't happen again. My bad. Aaron -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox "You can fix anything with a big enough hammer and a lot of duct tape" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 3 18:53:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:53:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Discovery Channel shows References: Message-ID: <000501c389d5$2bc0c980$97e1fea9@1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "H.Durstling" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Discovery Channel shows > Hi Michael, Hi all, > > Yes it was me that posted about the Discovery Channel precious stone series > earlier in the year. > > I'll re-cap a little. > > Essentially I posted that since I had first originated the concept and > written the proposal, five years and many vicissitudes had passed and that > the series was now, at last, about to be broadcast. Which it was, on the > Canadian Discovery Channel, earlier this summer. > > After that first airing many people emailed me to ask was the entire series > available on video, and to that the answer, regrettably, is still no, or at > least not yet. My understanding is that the contract between the production > company and the CDN Disc. Ch. excludes marketing the series ("Stones of > Fate and Fortune" incidentally is the series title) directly to the > consumer for a certain length of time which I believe is one year. > > The series is presently being re-run, again on the Canadian Discovery > Channel. We did not expect a re-run so soon. Hence I like to think that the > word-of-mouth that got back to the Discovery Channel has been good, which > is gratifying. > > I've also been asked will there be a second season of new episodes. Again > (so far) the answer is "no". And yet, if any Canadian viewers should choose > to email the Discovery Channel with comments like, "hey this is really > great stuff, please, let's have more of this!..." well, broadcasters do > listen to public feedback. Moreover they listen very very! intently. You'd > be surprised to see just how much attention viewer comments actually do > get. So ask, ask, ask, and ye just may receive. > > The schedule for the present re-runs can be found here: > > http://www.discovery.ca/ontv/series.asp?series=43601237 > > > (Michael, if you need more specific information than that, please email me > off list.) > > Ecclesiastes 10:19 > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > ====================== > > Hi > > > >A few months back, someone on the list (was it Hans Durstling??) posted some > >info about shows on the Canadian Discovery Channel about gemstones....a > >whole series of them on Topaz, Opal, etc. > > > >Hans, if this was you, can you please email me offlist. I need some info on > >these shows. > > > >thanks > > > >Michael > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 4 20:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031004193021.01d12788@mail.spiritone.com> Just a quick note to say that my sale continues; I still have no work :( I am offering most of my lapidary rough and slabs for 50% off. This includes Dust Devil sunstones. Just order half of what you need if you are using the PayPal cart. Here's the link to the sale page: http://orerockon.com/lapidary.htm I also have some new Buchanan thundereggs (mined by Desert Dog mines), old Buchanan eggs (mined 40+ years ago), and Desolation Canyon (aka Mill Creek wilderness) thundereggs also mined 30-40 years ago. I don't have more than a bucket of each so when they're gone they're gone... I also have found some Stinkingwater golden oak, BC rhodonite, and Graveyard point multicolored plume in a collection I bought a while ago, not a whole lot of each but what I have is really very nice material. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 4 20:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031004193557.01d123c8@mail.spiritone.com> Just a quick note to say that my sale continues; I still have no work :( I am offering most of my lapidary rough and slabs for 50% off. This includes Dust Devil sunstones. Just order half of what you need if you are using the PayPal cart. Here's the link to the sale page: http://orerockon.com/lapidary.htm I also have some new Buchanan thundereggs (mined by Desert Dog mines), old Buchanan eggs (mined 40+ years ago), and Desolation Canyon (aka Mill Creek wilderness) thundereggs also mined 30-40 years ago. I don't have more than a bucket of each so when they're gone they're gone... I also have found some Stinkingwater golden oak, BC rhodonite, and Graveyard point multicolored plume in a collection I bought a while ago, not a whole lot of each but what I have is really very nice material. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 09:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Oct 5 08:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031004193557.01d123c8@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031004193557.01d123c8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031005075832.01cfc6c8@mail.spiritone.com> There seems to be some weird style code that Nut Scrape Composer insists on inserting into my HTML documents these days, so if you visited my site yesterday you may have gotten a white background and hard to read text. That has been fixed (with good old notepad lol) and hopefully you can read the text now. At 07:36 PM 10/4/2003, you wrote: >Just a quick note to say that my sale continues; I still have no work >:( I am offering most of my lapidary rough and slabs for 50% off. This >includes Dust Devil sunstones. Just order half of what you need if you are >using the PayPal cart. Here's the link to the sale page: > >http://orerockon.com/lapidary.htm > >I also have some new Buchanan thundereggs (mined by Desert Dog mines), old >Buchanan eggs (mined 40+ years ago), and Desolation Canyon (aka Mill Creek >wilderness) thundereggs also mined 30-40 years ago. I don't have more than >a bucket of each so when they're gone they're gone... > >I also have found some Stinkingwater golden oak, BC rhodonite, and >Graveyard point multicolored plume in a collection I bought a while ago, >not a whole lot of each but what I have is really very nice material. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 12:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Oct 5 11:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] volcano activity Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031005085536.02368ac0@mail.aloha.net> Hi all, For those of you who don't check the USGS site regularly you might want to look at pictures of new activity in the crater at: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html ...neat spattering...and it's fun reading the descriptions of sound effects! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 13:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues Message-ID: I still see yellow, white and pink on white. Anyway, how much to ship 30 or 50 pounds to Los Angeles? Thanks. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 13:28:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:28:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues Message-ID: <14a.24e53260.2cb1ca8c@aol.com> Sorry. The mail was from "tim@orockon.com" and I replied without checking. Duh. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 13:53:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:53:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues Message-ID: <21.3571bd8f.2cb1d08a@aol.com> Actually I was happy to read that it was not just my computer or late night eyesight that imagined that color problem ! : ) Thanks RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 14:29:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joan Mammarella) Date: Sun Oct 5 13:29:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Raytech-Shaw Faceter Message-ID: <001301c38b7e$4087fd20$c06d0b42@jlmbase> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joan Mammarella=20 To: Rockhounds@drizzle=20 Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: Raytech-Shaw Faceter To any and all on the list: I am looking for aused Raytech-Shaw faceter in good condition at a = reasonable price. My days of visiting quarrys and mines and going on = field trips have been cut short by back and knee problems so I am force = to turn my love of rocks to a more sedate and less taxing area. = Faceting and intarsia seems to fill the bill but I am without the proper = equipment. If you or anyone you know has the above piece of equipment and would = be willing to part with it please email me at howbout4@netnitco.net=20 Thanks, Joan=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 16:03:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:03:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] volcano activity References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031005085536.02368ac0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3F809539.7060705@cox.net> Kitty, Once again, many thanks for the reminder to check on the Volcano activity. I was able to both see and hear both the Quick Time videos. Yes the sounds are as angry as the lava piercing the sky. Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 20:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 19:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues Message-ID: <1c0.fd4a115.2cb23444@aol.com> In a message dated 10/5/03 8:02:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: so if you visited my site yesterday you may have gotten a white background and hard to read text. That has been fixed (with good old notepad lol) and hopefully you can read the text now. Sorry Tim, I just went there and checked and I still can't read most of those fonts. I clicked reload twice but all I'm getting is a pastel yellow on a white background. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 21:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Oct 5 20:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues In-Reply-To: <1c0.fd4a115.2cb23444@aol.com> References: <1c0.fd4a115.2cb23444@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031005204108.01cf9f18@mail.spiritone.com> Man I know I hated Composer but this is ridiculous! I am uninstalling the dang thing and buying hotmetal :( Should be fixed...again... At 07:58 PM 10/5/2003, you wrote: In a message dated 10/5/03 8:02:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: so if you visited my site yesterday you may have gotten a white background and hard to read text. That has been fixed (with good old notepad lol) and hopefully you can read the text now. Sorry Tim, I just went there and checked and I still can't read most of those fonts. I clicked reload twice but all I'm getting is a pastel yellow on a white background. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 5 22:05:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Oct 5 21:05:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031005204108.01cf9f18@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <22244E25-F7B2-11D7-842A-000A95AF049E@mac.com> site looks okay to me on a few web browsers KM On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Tim Fisher wrote: > > Man I know I hated Composer but this is ridiculous! I am > uninstalling the dang thing and buying hotmetal :( Should be > fixed...again... Yuk, what kind of dumb menu system is that? Oh, so that is Windows! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 6 01:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Mon Oct 6 00:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues References: <22244E25-F7B2-11D7-842A-000A95AF049E@mac.com> Message-ID: <001301c38bdb$75c26a40$8d7ba8c0@D35YST0J> notepad notepad notepad is all you need (and love ;-) i made http://www.strahlen.org/ with notepad only and http://www.handleidinghtml.nl/index.html ;-) cheers! frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Murray" To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: Sale on Rough & Slabs, Sunstones continues > site looks okay to me on a few web browsers > KM > On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > Man I know I hated Composer but this is ridiculous! I am > > uninstalling the dang thing and buying hotmetal :( Should be > > fixed...again... > Yuk, what kind of dumb menu system is that? Oh, so that is Windows! > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 6 09:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Zeolite Pseudomorphs Message-ID: <3F818B71.7030801@dal.ca> Hi All, Whew. I'm back online after we got hit by a hurricane here in Nova Scotia, Canada. I now have an idea of what the folks on the eastern seaboard of the US face somewhat regularly. This was the worst in 40 years for us, with thousands of trees uprooted and lost in "the city of trees". I just got power again last night after going a week without. Anyway, while the power was out I did get to do some collecting. Found a number of very cool epimorph-type pseudomorphs of analcime after stilbite (with the stilbite dissolved away). Sorry, don't have any pics yet. A couple pieces have remaining stilbite in some areas of the specimen and pseudos in other areas. Others show a somewhat blocky sheaf sticking up. Some show the lines running up the side of the sheaf that would have been where the stilbite crystals were stacked against each other. They are mottled brown and white in color and Hi, A few weeks ago a nnote was passed along about an Austraila Calendar of minerals. My hard drive crashed with the info on it and now would like to geeet that info again if any one still has it. Thank you, Bob http://uvbob.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 6 23:46:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (greg swanson) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:46:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Legitimacy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031007054518.88573.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> If you can send copies, I would love one. I get down to Oregon every now and then. Just let me know what I owe you. Thanks! Greg Swanson Spokane --- "Dawn M. Fredricks" wrote: > Sweet! Will you drop it in the mail to me? Dawn > Fredricks 7338 SE 66th Ave > Portland OR 97206. If anyone else would like a > copy, I'd be willing to send > one out to you. It would be for locations in > Oregon. > > Thanks Tim! > > > >From: "Tim Fisher" > >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Legitimacy? > >Date: 17 Sep 2003 10:05:19 -0700 > > > >I have one Dawn. I got it at the Highland Rock Shop > in Burns about 10 years > >ago. I can make a copy if you want... > > > >At 10:40 AM 9/10/2003, you wrote: > >>I've heard it too! Too bad the ODOT team doesn't > have the "rockhound map" > >>they used to put out back in the 70's. I found a > very old add in Rock & > >>Gem a couple of years ago and called the number. > It still was an ODOT #, > >>but they didn't know what I was talking about. > Too bad they don't have an > >>archive somewhere! > >> > >>Dawn Fredricks > > > >Tim Fisher > >Ore-ROCK-On! > >nospam@OreRockOn.com > >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 10MB of e-mail storage! 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I used to have a waiting list of people who wanted these but I trashed the emails :( Anyway I am offering them for $25 each; they are cracked and show what I believe is a crab. You may have to re-glue and re-crack them to orient the crab and you will definitely have to prep them with an airscribe or air hammer to get the fossil exposed. So please feel free to inquire if you know what you are doing as far as prepping these, as they are not much to look without some skilled prep work. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 7 12:57:09 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:57:09 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Huge Diamond for Sale Message-ID: <3F830CF5.6020802@dal.ca> Hi All, CNN has a little article about an enormous diamond that is going up for auction soon. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/07/diamond.sale.ap/index.html Did anyone on this list collect it? :-) Happy Collecting, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 7 18:55:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (York N. Andrade) Date: Tue Oct 7 17:55:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Yavapai County Message-ID: <000801c38b17$77fd3f20$6401a8c0@hawaii.rr.com> Hi John, I just read your E-mail to a Kenneth Quinn regarding rockhounding sites = in Yavapai County. My wife, daughter and I will be moving to Cottonwood = soon and I am interested in beginning rockhounding. I love quartz = crystals and wanted to know if there were any nice areas in Yavapai = County, or even Coconino, where I might discover some. I heard that = Diamond Point near Payson was excellent for clear quartz, but that = around 4,000 acres is now restricted. Also, are there any areas in = Yavapai where I might find clear quartz crystals? Sincerely, York N. Andrade --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 7 18:55:25 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chief Noda) Date: Tue Oct 7 17:55:25 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Worcester Mineral Club show? Message-ID: Dear Mr. Bull I'm wondering if you have any information about Mineral Show (dates, location if not at the Armory, etc). Thanks in advance for your time. Regards Chief From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 7 19:06:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 7 18:06:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Worcester Mineral Club show? Message-ID: <12d.323455ec.2cb4bc00@aol.com> Howdy, Just butting in to help answer your question. The show will be at the armory November 22nd and 23rd. More info is at: http://worcestermineralclub.org/events.htm -Ron In a message dated 10/7/2003 8:55:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnoda@comcast.net writes: Dear Mr. Bull I'm wondering if you have any information about Mineral Show (dates, location if not at the Armory, etc). Thanks in advance for your time. Regards Chief --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 7 19:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Conroy) Date: Tue Oct 7 18:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Worcester Mineral Club show? References: Message-ID: <006601c38d39$22436400$136e550c@kcmins> Hi! For a good show listing site go to: www.lapidaryjournal.com/cal1.cfm All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chief Noda" To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Worcester Mineral Club show? > Dear Mr. Bull > > I'm wondering if you have any information about Mineral Show (dates, > location if not at the Armory, etc). > > Thanks in advance for your time. > > Regards > Chief > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 08:34:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joan Mammarella) Date: Wed Oct 8 07:34:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceters list Message-ID: <003001c38da8$33a3c9a0$e26d0b42@jlmbase> Hi Everyone, Does anyone know of a faceters list like this? If you could let me = have their e-address I would be greatful. Thanks, Joan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 08:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Wed Oct 8 07:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceters list In-Reply-To: <003001c38da8$33a3c9a0$e26d0b42@jlmbase> References: <003001c38da8$33a3c9a0$e26d0b42@jlmbase> Message-ID: <3F842510.2000009@earthlink.net> Joan Mammarella wrote: >Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone know of a faceters list like this? If you could let me have their e-address I would be greatful. > > Here ya go http://www.usfacetersguild.org/ usfgfaceterslist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 09:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Wed Oct 8 08:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need some help in IDing Mineral Message-ID: <002301c38dad$e2f017b0$0de8b141@Jackson> Hi List I found a sample that I am having trouble identifying. If someone could = offer some suggestions I would be grateful. Here is what I know. Color-White Streak-White Hardness- 3.5 to 4 Luster-Earthy or dull Opaque Crystal-Hexagonal Location-Goodsprings, NV =20 I have look on mindat and have not found anything that looks like a good = match. I could send photos if they would help. Thanks Cliff Jackson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 09:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Oct 8 08:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceters list In-Reply-To: <003001c38da8$33a3c9a0$e26d0b42@jlmbase> References: <003001c38da8$33a3c9a0$e26d0b42@jlmbase> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031008081355.01cf6940@mail.spiritone.com> Posts to and opinions expressed on the Faceters List are those of its members, content contributors and list moderators and not the United States Faceters Guild. http://www.usfacetersguild.org/ All posts to the USFG Faceters List are copyright by their respective authors. Republishers of posts must obtain copy permission from their respective authors. List Command Adresses: To subscribe: usfgfaceterslist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To post: usfgfaceterslist@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe: usfgfaceterslist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com At 07:25 AM 10/8/2003, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Does anyone know of a faceters list like this? If you could  let me have their e-address I would be greatful. Thanks, Joan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 09:22:49 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Oct 8 08:22:49 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceters list Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031008081504.01cfcb48@mail.spiritone.com> Posts to and opinions expressed on the Faceters List are those of its members, content contributors and list moderators and not the United States Faceters Guild. http://www.usfacetersguild.org/ All posts to the USFG Faceters List are copyright by their respective authors. Republishers of posts must obtain copy permission from their respective authors. List Command Adresses: To subscribe: usfgfaceterslist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To post: usfgfaceterslist@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe: usfgfaceterslist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com At 07:25 AM 10/8/2003, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone know of a faceters list like this? If you could let me > have their e-address I would be greatful. > >Thanks, >Joan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 09:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 8 08:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth Message-ID: Good morning, I am looking for information about Siesta Key, Florida. I am going down that way Actually to St. Petersburg, Florida in Feb 2004 and am wondering if anyone has a place to look for Sharks Teeth/agitized coral in the area. I saw an article on line awhile back that said something about Siesta Key being one place? For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 12:25:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Oct 8 11:25:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth References: Message-ID: <001701c38dc8$dcf623c0$155204d0@jim> I'm not familiar with Siesta Key, but have heard that Honeymoon Island, near Tarpon Springs is good for agatized black coral. The locality is the beach at the northern-most point on the island. I'm thinking of checking it out next February, myself. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth > Good morning, > > I am looking for information about Siesta Key, Florida. I am going down that > way Actually to St. Petersburg, Florida in Feb 2004 and am wondering if anyone > has a place to look for Sharks Teeth/agitized coral in the area. I saw an > article on line awhile back that said something about Siesta Key being one place? > > For now and till then, > JOHN > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 12:30:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Oct 8 11:30:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Yavapai County References: <000801c38b17$77fd3f20$6401a8c0@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <002801c38dc9$912e9d40$155204d0@jim> There's a locality for quartz geodes just across the county line outside of Wickenburg, Maricopa County. For directions, get a copy of Minerals of Arizona, by Neil R. Bearce. I got my copy from Amazon.com. Or you can find information on my website www.sauktown.com The Bearce book gives directions to a number of other localities for quartz in Arizona, but I haven't visited any of them. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "York N. Andrade" To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:05 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Yavapai County > Hi John, > I just read your E-mail to a Kenneth Quinn regarding rockhounding sites in Yavapai County. My wife, daughter and I will be moving to Cottonwood soon and I am interested in beginning rockhounding. I love quartz crystals and wanted to know if there were any nice areas in Yavapai County, or even Coconino, where I might discover some. I heard that Diamond Point near Payson was excellent for clear quartz, but that around 4,000 acres is now restricted. Also, are there any areas in Yavapai where I might find clear quartz crystals? > > Sincerely, > York N. Andrade > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 12:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. Campbell) Date: Wed Oct 8 11:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota micas Message-ID: <20031008183153.41803.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all. A while back a friend sent me a pinkish-red mica sample with several quartz veins from Keystone, SD. I was wondering if anyone here minght know of the mine or quarry it came from. Thanks, Jessica Campbell --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 14:04:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:04:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need some help in IDing Mineral References: <002301c38dad$e2f017b0$0de8b141@Jackson> Message-ID: <000f01c38dd3$21daa920$f3ab5a0c@fekib> I'm not familiar with the locality- Is this a pegmatite? Could be apatite, if the fracture is conchoidal, and the piece is brittle in breaking. Larry Rush -------------------- Hi List I found a sample that I am having trouble identifying. If someone could offer some suggestions I would be grateful. Here is what I know. Color-White Streak-White Hardness- 3.5 to 4 Luster-Earthy or dull Opaque Crystal-Hexagonal Location-Goodsprings, NV I have look on mindat and have not found anything that looks like a good match. I could send photos if they would help. Thanks Cliff Jackson From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 15:10:50 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:10:50 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need some help in IDing Mineral References: <002301c38dad$e2f017b0$0de8b141@Jackson> <000f01c38dd3$21daa920$f3ab5a0c@fekib> Message-ID: <005501c38de0$7eedcbd0$0de8b141@Jackson> Larry This area has several old gold mines. You can find Pb, Zn, Fe, Cu mineral of various kinds as well as a few others. These crystal are perfect Hexagonal. There is no Cleavage and fracture is Irregular like chalk. Thanks for the info. Cliff Jackson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need some help in IDing Mineral > I'm not familiar with the locality- Is this a pegmatite? Could be apatite, > if the fracture is conchoidal, and the piece is brittle in breaking. > > Larry Rush > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 15:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rich Allen) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2003108152551.350710@laptop> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:29:26 EDT, RckSwapr42@aol.com wrote: > Good morning, > > > I am looking for information about Siesta Key, Florida. I am going > down that way Actually to St. Petersburg, Florida in Feb 2004 and > am wondering if anyone has a place to look for Sharks > Teeth/agitized coral in the area. I saw an article on line awhile > back that said something about Siesta Key being one place? Another option for you is Venice Beach. It's about 30 minutes south of St. Pete and there are a few places you can stop in to find out about the best way to collect the teeth off the beach. I stopped by Sharky's Shop (http://www.sharkysshop.com) on my visit there and got all the information I could use. I don't know anything about Siesta Key, but I had very good luck at Venice Beach. Rich Allen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 16:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Oct 8 15:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth In-Reply-To: <001701c38dc8$dcf623c0$155204d0@jim> Message-ID: Last time I was in the Siesta Key area, parking was absolutely impossible as was beach access. Peach River not too far from there in Arcadia is usually a good sharks tooth area. BK "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Jim Daly > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 13:21 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth > > > I'm not familiar with Siesta Key, but have heard that Honeymoon > Island, near > Tarpon Springs is good for agatized black coral. The locality is the beach > at the northern-most point on the island. I'm thinking of checking it out > next February, myself. > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.sauktown.com > sauktown@adsnet.com > or orders@sauktown.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:29 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth > > > > Good morning, > > > > I am looking for information about Siesta Key, Florida. I am going down > that > > way Actually to St. Petersburg, Florida in Feb 2004 and am wondering if > anyone > > has a place to look for Sharks Teeth/agitized coral in the > area. I saw an > > article on line awhile back that said something about Siesta > Key being one > place? > > > > For now and till then, > > JOHN > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 8 17:05:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Oct 8 16:05:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceters list References: <003001c38da8$33a3c9a0$e26d0b42@jlmbase> Message-ID: <3F849803.12F4@Tomaszewski.net> Joan Mammarella wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone know of a faceters list like this? If you could let me have their e-address I would be greatful. > > Thanks, > Joan ==================================== LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST ==================================== Issue No. 222 - Wednesday, October 8, 2003 ==================================== Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III ==================================== Committed to carrying on the fine works of Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre ==================================== POST TO EITHER LINK BELOW: lapidary@caprock-spur.com faceters@caprock-spur.com ==================================== VISIT OUR WEBSITE TODAY http://www.gemcutters.org ==================================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 9 07:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Thu Oct 9 06:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossil bone needed Message-ID: I need a specimen of dinosaur bone, not silicified, that shows both cancellous (bone marrow) and compact ("hard") bone structures. I also need a specimen of crocodile/alligator (any age) that shows similar features. I intend to prepare a thin section from this material, so I do not need a "pretty" piece of material. If anyone has a specimen they will part with for a reasonable price, please let me know. This is to be included in an ongoing study of fossil carbonate fluorapatite. Thanks. Henry Barwood hbarwood@troyst.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 9 08:19:05 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Thu Oct 9 07:19:05 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota micas References: <20031009010002.26082.11404.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <3F856EEE.6FE3DED0@earthlink.net> That stuff is ubiquitous in the Black Hills. It comes all the way to the surface in many places, and is in a lot of the road cuts. My best piece came from 434647N1033655W near Custer, in a parking lots they were creating with a grader. Massive pieces are fairly common. Mike Flannigan > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: "J. Campbell" > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota micas > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Hi all. > > A while back a friend sent me a pinkish-red mica sample with several quartz veins from Keystone, SD. I was wondering if anyone here minght know of the mine or quarry it came from. > > Thanks, > Jessica Campbell From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 9 14:05:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Mulvey) Date: Thu Oct 9 13:05:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Parker Mtn Mine Message-ID: <20031009200419.94084.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Boston Mineral Club member and Rockhounds list participant Paul Gilmore gave me a lead on a close mineral collecting site in southern New Hampshire. The mine dump below the Parker Mountain Mine is a site with a large area full of small to medium size boulders of excavated pegmatite. My understanding is that the mine was close to the top of the mountain, but as Paul instructed, we went across the street and down a trail not even a half mile long with very easy walking. There was no doubt when we reached the dump! The woods abruptly ended at what I think was once a small cliff. Immediately you will see many large pegmatite boulders and a few holes dug by collectors.. As well as a few holes on the side of the dumps that I think belong to a fox or badger. The ground is covered with basic sample of things seasoned collectors probably wouldn’t stoop to inspect; we however, were very excited at all of the interesting things we were finding! It seems that every where we go, our prize at the end of the day is a book of mica. Recently, my goal has been to bring home a decent book with a nice chunk of rock matrix attached. Happily, I am getting pretty good with my crack hammer and pick. < Snippet of the message from Paul Gilmore > The Parker Mountain Mine aka Buzzo Mine is near Center Strafford, NH. I'll do my best with directions: >From Rt 95 to Rt 16 Take exit 8 from the Spaulding Turnpike and look for Rt 9, heading either north or west (actually northwest). Near the town of Barrington, look for the junction with Rt. 126, again either north or west (actually northwest). Stay on 126 to Center Strafford. Go straight instead of taking the left turn on 126 leaving town. I don't know the name of the road from here, but you're not on 126 anymore. >From Rt 3 and 93 >From Concord, NH take rt 4 East through Northwood, NH. To 202 N to 202A into Center Strafford. Take a left. >From Center Strafford About 2.4 miles from this intersection (again, still heading northwest) you’ll find on your left a small parking area for a trailhead up Parker Mountain. Park here, but you're not going to be heading up that trail. Instead. cross to the other side of the street (the north side) and head back down the road (towards Center Strafford) for a few yards and look carefully for a trail down away from the road. You have to climb over a guardrail. It's a little steep there so be careful. The quarry is a five minute walk further down the trail. With some digging you should find some beryl, manganapatitie (dark green), spodumene and other stuff. Be careful if you find something that looks like silvery pyrite (loellingite contains arsenic). Bring mosquito repellent beacuse there is usually some standing wather in the small pit. On this trip were my sister Judi, nephew Michael and my daughter Rosey. We all found very interesting items! While we knew that flourapatite and beryl were possibilities, our status as novice mineral collectors prevented us from finding anything of that magnitude of coolness. What we did collect were head sized pieces of inch thick mica books attached to a firm matrix that looks wonderful at home now that they are all washed up! This is a matrix of massive quartz and many of our specimens have a greenish area that someone mentioned is probably chlorite. The mica pieces were of significant interest to members of the Nashua Mineral Club; they observed that the chaotic directions of the mica books on the same matrix was very unusual. We also collected many nice fist sized pegmatite samples that were studded with small tourmaline crystals (typically about 3/16” long), fine garnets that are only viewable with magnification, and what I assume to be a chunky albite matrix. We noticed that there are many pin sized green spots when viewed under a SW UV lamp. We also observed an area that looked like a major blast and excavation was performed for a short period, maybe to query the feasibility of major mining? This was a half day trip. From Nashua, NH the drive was a little bit over an hour. The location was beautiful. There seems to be much worthwhile collecting and I don’t think the dumps have been plundered by years of over eager collectors. The trail all the way in is “paved” with mica flakes. It was like following the yellow brick road. When I go back, I will probably bring a screen and do some digging and sifting to see if I can find some of that flourapatite. We all had a really good time and the proximity to the road made it easy to run back to the car to bring down a cooler full of refreshments. I feel this site has potential. It was also a very enjoyable location for a family mineral collecting trip. If you go, please take care of this place. Nice sites like this don’t stay clean by accident! If you have questions: Joe Mulvey = bassmeister_2000@yahoo.com Thank you to Paul Gilmore for the tip on a great day trip! ===== Joe Mulvey Nashua, NH -- USA http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 9 15:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Oct 9 14:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth In-Reply-To: <2003108152551.350710@laptop> Message-ID: Venice Beach is traditionally a good area but it is very heavily picked over by platoons of elderly ladies with scoops and sieves. I found a 4 inch carcharodon there when I was swimming there as a teen many years ago. That river I mentioned should have been the Peace River not the Peach. Apollo Beach is another often mentioned site but I've never found anything there except some small ray plates. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rich Allen > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 16:26 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Shark Teeth > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:29:26 EDT, RckSwapr42@aol.com wrote: > > Good morning, > > > > > > I am looking for information about Siesta Key, Florida. I am going > > down that way Actually to St. Petersburg, Florida in Feb 2004 and > > am wondering if anyone has a place to look for Sharks > > Teeth/agitized coral in the area. I saw an article on line awhile > > back that said something about Siesta Key being one place? > > > Another option for you is Venice Beach. It's about 30 > minutes south of St. Pete and there are a few places you can stop > in to find out about the best way to collect the teeth off the > beach. I stopped by Sharky's Shop (http://www.sharkysshop.com) > on my visit there and got all the information I could use. I > don't know anything about Siesta Key, but I had very good luck at > Venice Beach. > > Rich Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 9 16:14:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 15:14:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] sharks teeth Message-ID: <1c0.ffbc6d3.2cb73770@aol.com> Thanks for the information guys....I will take a look at these places when I make it down that way this winter.... For now and till then, JOHN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 9 19:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] WV FOSSILS References: <002301c38dad$e2f017b0$0de8b141@Jackson> <000f01c38dd3$21daa920$f3ab5a0c@fekib> <005501c38de0$7eedcbd0$0de8b141@Jackson> Message-ID: <3F860BC5.6CE9@rcn.com> HI JUST CURIOUS HAS ANYONE ON THE LIST COLLECTED FOSSILS ON WEST VIRGINIA RT. 25 A FEW MILES OFF OF RT.50 (BEFORE THE OLD CHURCH) NEAR CAPON BRIDGE, WV?? IF SO I AM INTERESTED WHAT YOU COLLECTED AND WHEN. MANY BIG CHANGES AT THIS SPOT SINCE MY LAST VISIT. Thankzzz GeorgiaO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 06:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cole Wolfe) Date: Fri Oct 10 05:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New here... Message-ID: Hi all, my name is Kym, I'm from Oregon.... My partner and I just started collecting minerals, ie. quartz crystal about a week ago, actually we've only been out 1 time, but it's very quickly becoming a passion, hobby, etc... Our friend showed us one place, so that's all we know, our first time, new "pickers," it was a=20 wonderful experience just to be out in the mountains...!=20 We are very interested in learning about other rocks, minerals, fossils, etc.=20 Anyway, glad we found this site and grp.... Peace, Kym "Live As If Your Best Memories Haven't Yet Happened..." --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 08:32:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Fri Oct 10 07:32:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New here... References: Message-ID: <007901c38f3b$38f998f0$6800a8c0@CPQ28298264587> Kym, Welcome to the list. Here you will discover that the world of rocks and minerals can be compared to the universe in beauty, complexity, and awe inspiring moments. I am a "green as a gourd" rookie but six months on this list is like being a kid in a candy shop! By the way, join the local rock/gem club, go to the meetings and plead ignorance. You will be stunned at the willingness of members to help you learn. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- Hi all, my name is Kym, I'm from Oregon.... My partner and I just started collecting minerals, ie. quartz crystal about a week ago, actually we've only been out 1 time, but it's very quickly becoming a passion, hobby, etc... Our friend showed us one place, so that's all we know, our first time, new "pickers," it was a wonderful experience just to be out in the mountains...! We are very interested in learning about other rocks, minerals, fossils, etc. Anyway, glad we found this site and grp.... Peace, Kym "Live As If Your Best Memories Haven't Yet Happened..." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 17:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New here... References: Message-ID: <000301c38f87$81f9e220$c3b2950c@mel> HI Kym - welcome to the hobby. May I suggest you go to http://amfed.org and lookk for rock clubs in = your area. They'd be glad to welcome you. Most clubss have members that = teach this and that as well as members who can answer most any question. Mel Albright --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 18:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Building stone Message-ID: <126.3222b082.2cb5e6f0@aol.com> Hello, I have been interested in building a house with stone for a long time. My wife and I recently traveled to Scotland, where most building are made from stone. I am looking for sites where I can quarry or purchase building stone (flat on a couple sides is best) in Oregon or SW Washington. Can you help me? Jim Dinsmore dinsmo52@AOL 360 957-3548 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 18:22:10 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tuttle, Tina J) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:22:10 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites near vegas Message-ID: <4BA0A362F722AB4CAF3B84FAA297739F67B59B@iu-mssg-mbx01.exchange.iu.edu> Greetings all: I wondered if anyone might recommend a couple worthwhile collecting sites within 150 miles or so of Las Vegas. I'm heading out there at Christmas with a friend and want to spend 4-5 days collecting. I'm fairly familiar with the California side and the Goodsprings area, but am wondering about sites in Nevada and Arizona that you might be able to recommend. We have access to power tools if necessary and rugged 4WD truck. (preferably stuff that doesn't require a microscope to admire.) Thanks! Tina ttuttle@indiana.edu --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 18:22:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David and Brenda Croft) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:22:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals Message-ID: <000801c38f8f$4abcfa60$033bbbd0@qwest.net> Hello, I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned about a = good place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an = opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines there = and found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at = rockhounding and was wondering if you could give directions to where you = found the crystals. I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you = know any other good places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly = interested in agates. Thanks, David --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 18:58:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:58:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals References: <000801c38f8f$4abcfa60$033bbbd0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000701c38f92$a0d533b0$4ec8b73f@Jackson> David & Brenda I was at Iron Mt about three weeks ago and found a nice magnetite crystal 1.25" x 1" x .5". It is in a white chalky matrix so the black crystal looks very nice. I found it at the bottom of the 1st dump on the east side. Take the 1st road that goes into the dumps. You will come to a closed gate but just before it take the road that goes right. I went on the next left and parked there. Walk up to the bottom of the dump and start looking. I also found a piece of amethyst in the same area. It was stained brown on the outside but when I broke it in half you can see the purple. Good luck in your hunting. Cliff Jackson Las Vegas, NV From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 19:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Building stone Message-ID: <176.20b8eedf.2cb8b20e@aol.com> Jim- About the building stones you want- I don't know the name of the quarry, but there is an operating rock quarry just east of Washougal, Washington that sells basalt blocks that are hexagonal and about 5" thick that are perfect for what you want. I've seen some very attractive walls and walkways made from these stones and the owner of the house told me he bought them for about $2 each at a quarry nearby, so that would be just east of Camas-Washougal, WA. Bill Tompkins From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 19:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites near vegas References: <4BA0A362F722AB4CAF3B84FAA297739F67B59B@iu-mssg-mbx01.exchange.iu.edu> Message-ID: <006c01c38f9a$727e4800$4ec8b73f@Jackson> Tina I live in LV and can suggest a few sites. 1. Valley of Fire Pale blue Chalcedony-- If you do not have a copy of Rockhounding Nevada or Gem Trails of Nevada let me know I could fax you a copy of the pages. 2. Have you been to area north of Goodspring, the Prairie Flower mine area? It takes a 4X4 to get in there and I have found some nice crystal samples. I am planning to go there again in a couple of weeks and could send you detailed directions. Depending on the dates you are planning to be here I could make myself available to show you these sites and maybe some others as I find them. Regards, Cliff Jackson Las Vegas, NV From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 20:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Fri Oct 10 19:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorapatite that looks like natrolite or better, okenite in sub-mm or mm size puffy balls In-Reply-To: <20030925010003.6227.6923.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Ronny, Pete, I collected apatite (do not know what variety, probably Carbonate hydroxylapatite) that looks like natrolite or better, okenite in sub-mm or mm size puffy balls from a limestone quarry in Belgium where it was associated with delvauxite. Can send you a picture of my specimens at request. Would like a picture and copy of your analysis report. Johan Maertens mineral.maertensNO@SPAMatt.net (Remove NO SPAM for reply) Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ The 11 Commandments of Email Thou shalt use Plain Text only Thou shalt include a clear and specific subject line. Thou shalt edit any quoted text down to the minimum thou needest. Thou shalt read thine own message thrice before thou sendest it. Thou shalt ponder how thy recipient might react to thy message. Thou shalt check thy spelling and thy grammar. Thou shalt not curse, flame, spam or USE ALL CAPS. Thou shalt not forward any chain letter. Thou shalt not use e-mail for any illegal or unethical purpose. Thou shalt not rely on the privacy of e-mail, especially from work. When in doubt, save thy message overnight and reread it in the light of the dawn. That which thou findest hateful to receive, sendest thou not unto others. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 10 22:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Oct 10 21:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The 11 Commandments of Email In-Reply-To: References: <20030925010003.6227.6923.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031010183653.02651ec0@mail.aloha.net> At 04:22 PM 10/10/2003, you wrote (at the bottom of another message): >The 11 Commandments of Email >Thou shalt use Plain Text only >Thou shalt include a clear and specific subject line. >Thou shalt edit any quoted text down to the minimum thou needest. >Thou shalt read thine own message thrice before thou sendest it. >Thou shalt ponder how thy recipient might react to thy message. >Thou shalt check thy spelling and thy grammar. >Thou shalt not curse, flame, spam or USE ALL CAPS. >Thou shalt not forward any chain letter. >Thou shalt not use e-mail for any illegal or unethical purpose. >Thou shalt not rely on the privacy of e-mail, especially from work. >When in doubt, save thy message overnight and reread it in the light of >the dawn. >That which thou findest hateful to receive, sendest thou not unto others. Good rules, and I need to remember to practice them all! I would add the following: Thou shalt put thy full name at the end of thy message if it is not in thine address. Thou shalt delete unneeded text when replying to a message, but retain enough to give context. When responding to a list, thou shalt check that thy message is truly for all to read and not intended for an individual. Thou shalt not include religious or political quotations or slogans in thy signature. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 05:07:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat Oct 11 04:07:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington Message-ID: <3F87D31B.49BD3C46@gmx.de> Hello, is anybody familiar with this publication, or maybe the localities described in it? Hartman, D.A.: Zeolite Porphyroblasts and Aggregates in Tertiary Volcanics - Central Cascade Mountains of Washington. Abstract in G.S.A. Vol. 4, No. 3, p 165-166 (1972) I would like to know your opinion, does it give good proof for wairakite from this locality? Or maybe there is another publication following this abstract which may contain more data ? BTW, what ist "G.S.A." ? Regards, Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 06:41:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Sat Oct 11 05:41:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington References: <3F87D31B.49BD3C46@gmx.de> Message-ID: <001e01c38ff5$02caa3e0$569d76d5@pandora.be> Hi Jürgen, GSA most probably stands for Geological Society of America. Cheers, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Wachsmuth" To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington Hello, is anybody familiar with this publication, or maybe the localities described in it? Hartman, D.A.: Zeolite Porphyroblasts and Aggregates in Tertiary Volcanics - Central Cascade Mountains of Washington. Abstract in G.S.A. Vol. 4, No. 3, p 165-166 (1972) I would like to know your opinion, does it give good proof for wairakite from this locality? Or maybe there is another publication following this abstract which may contain more data ? BTW, what ist "G.S.A." ? Regards, Jürgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 09:27:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Oct 11 08:27:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] The 11 Commandments of Email References: <20030925010003.6227.6923.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031010183653.02651ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <001701c3900c$0cb2af30$949f77d5@axel> Art thou speaking in earnest? I believe I will comply to thine "obiter dictum" (or be smitten from afar ;-))))) Were I live most people are Catholic. Being Catholic is about guilt and we feel we fully deserve that. (get it???) So next time you'd better write: "Thou shalt NOT... do this or that." and: "Anything that's not in the "Thou shalt not"-list, thou mayst or thou canst do..." Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 6:55 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] The 11 Commandments of Email At 04:22 PM 10/10/2003, you wrote (at the bottom of another message): >The 11 Commandments of Email >Thou shalt use Plain Text only >Thou shalt include a clear and specific subject line. >Thou shalt edit any quoted text down to the minimum thou needest. >Thou shalt read thine own message thrice before thou sendest it. >Thou shalt ponder how thy recipient might react to thy message. >Thou shalt check thy spelling and thy grammar. >Thou shalt not curse, flame, spam or USE ALL CAPS. >Thou shalt not forward any chain letter. >Thou shalt not use e-mail for any illegal or unethical purpose. >Thou shalt not rely on the privacy of e-mail, especially from work. >When in doubt, save thy message overnight and reread it in the light of >the dawn. >That which thou findest hateful to receive, sendest thou not unto others. Good rules, and I need to remember to practice them all! I would add the following: Thou shalt put thy full name at the end of thy message if it is not in thine address. Thou shalt delete unneeded text when replying to a message, but retain enough to give context. When responding to a list, thou shalt check that thy message is truly for all to read and not intended for an individual. Thou shalt not include religious or political quotations or slogans in thy signature. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 11:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Oct 11 10:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington References: <3F87D31B.49BD3C46@gmx.de> Message-ID: <002301c39009$7db7aa80$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Hello Jürgen, In "Zeolites of the World", Rudy Tschernich writes, "Washington: Intergrown grains of wairakite (of unknown calcium content), up to 0.02 mm across, with optical crossed lamellar twinning, completely fill amygdules and replace plagioclase in low-grade metamorphic volcanic tuff and breccia in the Keechelus formation in Mount Rainier National Park (Wise, 1959)." Hope that helps some. John Siebel Santa, Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Wachsmuth" To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington > Hello, > > is anybody familiar with this publication, or maybe the localities > described in it? Hartman, D.A.: Zeolite Porphyroblasts and Aggregates > in Tertiary Volcanics - Central Cascade Mountains of Washington. > Abstract in G.S.A. Vol. 4, No. 3, p 165-166 (1972) > > I would like to know your opinion, does it give good proof for wairakite > from this locality? Or maybe there is another publication following this > abstract which may contain more data ? > BTW, what ist "G.S.A." ? > > Regards, > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 12:51:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 11 11:51:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington Message-ID: <19e.1b3686de.2cb9ab0b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/11/03 10:13:43 AM, john@pandemoniumgraphics.com writes: << Jürgen, >> John- Since the book "Zeolites of the World" was written, wairakite was also found at Wolf Point, WA. by Rudy Tschernich. Here is a copy of the article he wrote. (hope he doesn't mind) Bill Tompkins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- WAIRAKITE FROM THE 200/237 ROAD QUARRY, WOLF POINT, COWLITZ COUNTY, WASHINGTON Rudy W. Tschernich, Snohomish, Washington Micro Probe Fall, 1997 Vol.8 #6, pgs. 14-15 Many zeolites have been reported from the 200/237 Road Quarry, near Wolf Point, Cowlitz County, Washington (Tschernich 1994, 1995a, 1995b, 1997). To date 24 minerals have been found including scolecite, mesolite, analcime, chabazite, yugawaralite, stilbite, heulandite, epistilbite, apophyllite, erionite, offretite, levyne, phillipsite, cowlesite, calcite, quartz, clay, pyrite, thomsonite, gonnardite, mordenite, laumontite, and analcime. This paper deals with the two members of the analcime group, analcime and wairakite, both of which have now been identified at the 200/237 Road Quarry. Analcime and wairakite form a continuous series from the pure sodium end member, analcime, which is very common in surface rocks to the calcium end member, wairakite, that is common in active hydrothermal systems deep in the earth. Tschernich (1994) reported colorless trapezohedra of analcime, up to 3 mm in diameter, alone in some of the open cavities in the dark black basalt that makes up the upper portion of the quarry. Since then analcime has been found, in the dark rock, on one specimen of cyclic twinned epistilbite (see micrograph #692) (Don Howard, pers. comm.). Tschernich (1995a) also reported small, white, poorly-formed trapezohedra of "analcime", up to 2 mm across, with yugawaralite and mordenite that had been covered by calcite, heulandite and chabazite in two small cavities in a soft green tuff in the lower portion of the quarry. Both the colorless analcime and the white "analcime" were tested with EDX by Don Howard and Bart Cannon for their chemical elements and found to be opposite end members. The colorless crystals from the black basalt contained only sodium with no trace of calcium and is pure analcime. Nearly all analcime found in open cavities at the surface at other localities is pure analcime, so this is not unusual, but the other sample that was found in the tuff contained no sodium at all. It is the pure calcium end member wairakite (see micrograph #691). Both occur in the same quarry but not in the same type of rock and appear to have a different sequence of crystallization. The main difference may be that the wairakite crystals had been completely covered by calcite while the other was exposed to the solution in the cavity. I have been looking for wairakite for years without success, until now. I have over time developed a hypothesis of why we do not find wairakite more commonly. Specimens collected at the surface should reflect the ancient hydrothermal activity that occurred deep in the earth and the minerals that formed there. Samples taken from geothermal wells in active hydrothermal areas clearly indicate what minerals are crystallizing at those temperatures, pressures, and chemical content of the water. The hydrothermal water in these wells is a weak sodium-chloride solution with very small amounts of calcium and other ions. Samples brought up from these wells commonly contain wairakite or an intermediate composition between wairakite and analcime. Rarely is pure analcime present. After the hydrothermal water cools and the rock is eroded to expose the altered rock, you would expect to find the same amount of wairakite or intermediate analcime group minerals along with the other zeolites, but we don't. Nearly all of the analcime group minerals are pure sodium-rich analcime at the surface. Could the minerals have changed chemical composition from the time they crystallized to the time we find them? Zeolites are well known for the capability of cation exchange, so it is very possible. From observations of the sequence of crystallization at many sites we know that pure sodium analcime crystals are found with many other pure calcium zeolites and often is the only sodium-rich mineral at the deposit. That is a little strange until you consider the possibility that the analcime specimen you have may have crystallized as a calcium-rich wairakite and has changed by cation exchange with the solution in the cavity. If this is true nearly all analcime crystals in open cavities found at the surface are sodium rich. That is true. How would one test the hypothesis to see if they have changed? Suppose a calcium-rich wairakite was totally enclosed by an impervious mineral such as calcite, quartz, feldspar, or epidote so that the zeolite could not react with the weak sodium chloride solution and change. Such crystals when chemically tested would still be wairakite. Several examples of this embedding has been reported. In the Mt. Hood area in Oregon, totally filled veins contain epidote covered by wairakite which is in turn covered by chlorite and chabazite with no open space remaining where a solution could react with the crystals. On Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada crystals with a chemical composition ranging from pure wairakite to sodium-rich wairakite are covered by calcite, muscovite, prehnite, epidote, and quartz. In Japan, the main source of micro wairakite found in mineral collections, it is found in veins and cavities that are covered with calcite which has been partly removed. Now at the 200/237 Road Quarry we have analcime exposed in an open cavities and wairakite in ones that have been covered by calcite. In conclusion, in order to find wairakite, look for crystals that appear to have the morphology of analcime that are totally enclosed in another mineral that water can not flow through (this excludes other zeolites) particularly calcite because it can be easily removed. The chemical composition of the crystals must be tested for the presence of calcium. If calcium is dominant over sodium it is wairakite. REFERENCES: Tschernich, R.W. (1994) Zeolites from the 200/237 Quarry, near Wolf Point, Cowlitz County, Washington. Micro Probe, V 7, No. 10, pp 2-10. Tschernich, R.W. ( 1995a) Yugawaralite - a rare zeolite from Wolf Point, Cowlitz County, Washington. Micro Probe, V 8, No. 2, pp 22-25. Tschernich, R.W. (1995b) Erionite from Wolf Point, Cowlitz County, Washington, Micro Probe, V 8, No. 2, p 25. Tschernich, R.W. (1997) First occurrence of apophyllite and mesolite at the 200/237 road quarry, Wolf Point, Cowlitz County, Washington. Micro Probe, V 8, No. 5, p From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 14:51:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cole Wolfe) Date: Sat Oct 11 13:51:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New here... References: <000301c38f87$81f9e220$c3b2950c@mel> Message-ID: Thanx for the info...! I did go there, and found a club in my city... I didn't see any email lists tho... I'm sure with time I'll learn all the "lingo"... I've loved rocks since I was a little kid, any kind of rock...=20 A couple of years ago I gave my daughter a collection of agates=20 I'd been hanging on to for about 30 years, I couldn't believe what nice samples I had all this time, so, now I'm back at it with a whole new appreciation, or should I say a little more knowledge...!? Peace, Kym "Live As If Your Best Memories Haven't Yet Happened..." From: Mel Albright=20 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 04:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New here... HI Kym - welcome to the hobby. May I suggest you go to http://amfed.org and lookk for rock clubs in = your area. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 15:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Oct 11 14:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington References: <19e.1b3686de.2cb9ab0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c3902b$c75f2240$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks Bill! Good to hear from you and I hope you're doing well. You may have noted that Julie and I moved over to Idaho last spring along with a trailer load of Oregon and Washington. I'd say that 60% of our load (by weight) was rock. Most is still boxed up and I'm looking forward to rediscovering it all. Haven't had much chance to prospect this area yet, but we'll get there. Take care - John Santa, Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: > John- > Since the book "Zeolites of the World" was written, wairakite was also > found at Wolf Point, WA. by Rudy Tschernich. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 18:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Oct 11 17:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals References: <000801c38f8f$4abcfa60$033bbbd0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001e01c39057$e1d9aec0$95305841@powertech.net> Hi, David, To find the crystals -- First, you need a high-clearance vehicle. Go west from Cedar City a few miles, and then bear right on the road that goes to the old mine workings, and the (city) dump. Follow it on around to the northwest and then west along the railroad tracks. A few miles after you pass some workings and equipment along the road, you will find an unpaved road that turns right across the tracks. Follow it north for a ways until another dirt road turns off it to the right. Take it for a mile or so, until another dirt road turns off to the left, up through a gap in the hills. Follow it through a few gullies and, on a left turn, you will find another road that heads east at an acute angle. Take it, and follow the main road. After awhile you will find a bad place in the road at the top of a short very steep hill, where a bad detour goes to the right around it. (Take the detour!) Soon you will find a road that bears off to the right, and then again to the right. Find a wide spot to park (there's a good spot near a surveyors' bench mark). [Essentially you have gone west, then north, then east, then south, so you are actually not too far (a little north and east) from the equipment you pass on the main road. But (at least last time I was there) the road just south of where you park is blocked by a large fallen tree, so IF the road does go through back to the paved road (not at all sure), you couldn't get through, anyhow.] Go out in the area to the right (west) and check around. You need to go a ways from the road. The best crystals are usually lying face down (so they didn't get eroded), so you'll need to turn over a lot of magnetite! there are lots of other places in this general area where you can find them, too. If you go to Topozone you will find maps of that area that show these roads. Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Brenda Croft" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals Hello, I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned about a good place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines there and found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and was wondering if you could give directions to where you found the crystals. I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. Thanks, David --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 19:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sat Oct 11 18:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Building stone In-Reply-To: <176.20b8eedf.2cb8b20e@aol.com> Message-ID: 5 inches or 5 feet?? ~KM On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 06:08 PM, WTompkcccc@aol.com wrote: > but there is an operating rock quarry > just east of Washougal, Washington that sells basalt blocks that are=20= > hexagonal > and about 5" thick that are perfect for what you want. Treat a man as he is; he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he can=20 and should be; and he will become as he can and should be. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0--- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 20:04:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Oct 11 19:04:01 2003 Subject: OT: [Rockhounds] The 11 Commandments of Email References: <20030925010003.6227.6923.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031010183653.02651ec0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3F88B67C.1FAC@Tomaszewski.net> Thou shalt not put anything in an email you would be ashamed of seeing on the front page of your local newspaper (or in a public database on a government website). | Link to link to government database of Enron email | http://www.ferc.gov/industries/electric/indus-act/ | wem/03-26-03-release.asp | note link wraps and will need to be pasted together | If link does not work you can search the site for | enron email database | and access it via the FERC link returned. Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > At 04:22 PM 10/10/2003, you wrote (at the bottom of another message): > >The 11 Commandments of Email > > >Thou shalt use Plain Text only > >Thou shalt include a clear and specific subject line. > >Thou shalt edit any quoted text down to the minimum thou needest. > >Thou shalt read thine own message thrice before thou sendest it. > >Thou shalt ponder how thy recipient might react to thy message. > >Thou shalt check thy spelling and thy grammar. > >Thou shalt not curse, flame, spam or USE ALL CAPS. > >Thou shalt not forward any chain letter. > >Thou shalt not use e-mail for any illegal or unethical purpose. > >Thou shalt not rely on the privacy of e-mail, especially from work. > >When in doubt, save thy message overnight and reread it in the light of > >the dawn. > >That which thou findest hateful to receive, sendest thou not unto others. > > Good rules, and I need to remember to practice them all! I would add the > following: > > Thou shalt put thy full name at the end of thy message if it is not in > thine address. > Thou shalt delete unneeded text when replying to a message, but retain > enough to give context. > When responding to a list, thou shalt check that thy message is truly for > all to read and not intended for an individual. > Thou shalt not include religious or political quotations or slogans in thy > signature. > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 11 21:53:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Oct 11 20:53:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Building stone Message-ID: <23.360c8467.2cba2a07@aol.com> In a message dated 10/11/03 6:10:36 PM, kriswmurray1@mac.com writes: << 5 inches or 5 feet?? >> The blocks I saw were about 12 to 16 inches across and about 5 inches thick. Bill Tompkins From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 12 08:49:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Oct 12 07:49:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals References: <000801c38f8f$4abcfa60$033bbbd0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001d01c390cf$3991eac0$355204d0@jim> David, I was hunting for the directions to the Cedar City magnetite locality (which I had gotten from Margaret) to forward to you, then I saw she beat me to it! Thanks, Margaret. Incidentally, the directions worked well for me last year, and I got a lot of nice stuff. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Brenda Croft" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > Hello, > I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned about a good place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines there and found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and was wondering if you could give directions to where you found the crystals. I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. > Thanks, David > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 12 09:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Oct 12 08:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites near vegas References: <4BA0A362F722AB4CAF3B84FAA297739F67B59B@iu-mssg-mbx01.exchange.iu.edu> Message-ID: <000001c390d0$eea08380$355204d0@jim> Tina, Check the directions for the magnetite near Cedar City, UT on another post on this list (from Margaret Malm). If you take the route I took from Indiana to Vegas you'll go through Cedar City on I-15. The only other locality I am familiar with in the area is the Blue Bell mine, off I-15 about 40 miles into California. It's mostly micro material, though. I can provide directions if you're interested. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tuttle, Tina J" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites near vegas > Greetings all: > > I wondered if anyone might recommend a couple worthwhile collecting > sites within 150 miles or so of Las Vegas. I'm heading out there at > Christmas with a friend and want to spend 4-5 days collecting. I'm > fairly familiar with the California side and the Goodsprings area, but > am wondering about sites in Nevada and Arizona that you might be able to > recommend. We have access to power tools if necessary and rugged 4WD > truck. (preferably stuff that doesn't require a microscope to admire.) > > Thanks! > > Tina > > ttuttle@indiana.edu > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 12 11:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Oct 12 10:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Building stone In-Reply-To: <23.360c8467.2cba2a07@aol.com> Message-ID: <43451ECA-FCD7-11D7-B652-000393A96092@mac.com> am i getting this right, 5 inch in diameter, 12 inches long columnar basalt? ~KM On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 08:52 PM, WTompkcccc@aol.com wrote: > > << 5 inches or 5 feet?? >> > > The blocks I saw were about 12 to 16 inches across and about 5 inches > thick. If people behaved like governments, you'd call the cops. -- Kelvin Throop --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 12 16:00:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Sun Oct 12 15:00:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals In-Reply-To: <001d01c390cf$3991eac0$355204d0@jim> References: <000801c38f8f$4abcfa60$033bbbd0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031012175739.01d6e488@po2.bbn.com> For those of us who are uninformed please indicate which state this locality is in. Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA, USA At 10:43 AM 10/12/2003, you wrote: >David, >I was hunting for the directions to the Cedar City magnetite locality (which >I had gotten from Margaret) to forward to you, then I saw she beat me to it! >Thanks, Margaret. Incidentally, the directions worked well for me last year, >and I got a lot of nice stuff. >Jim Daly >Sauktown Sales >Microminerals and mounting supplies >http://www.sauktown.com >sauktown@adsnet.com >or orders@sauktown.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David and Brenda Croft" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:33 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > > Hello, > > I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned about a good >place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an >opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines there and >found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and >was wondering if you could give directions to where you found the crystals. >I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good >places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. > > Thanks, David > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 12 18:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Oct 12 17:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031012175739.01d6e488@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: Southern Utah BK "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Nathan C. Martin > II > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 16:59 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > For those of us who are uninformed please indicate which state this > locality is in. > > Best regards, > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA, USA > > At 10:43 AM 10/12/2003, you wrote: > >David, > >I was hunting for the directions to the Cedar City magnetite > locality (which > >I had gotten from Margaret) to forward to you, then I saw she > beat me to it! > >Thanks, Margaret. Incidentally, the directions worked well for > me last year, > >and I got a lot of nice stuff. > >Jim Daly > >Sauktown Sales > >Microminerals and mounting supplies > >http://www.sauktown.com > >sauktown@adsnet.com > >or orders@sauktown.com > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David and Brenda Croft" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:33 PM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > > > > > Hello, > > > I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned > about a good > >place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an > >opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines > there and > >found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and > >was wondering if you could give directions to where you found > the crystals. > >I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good > >places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. > > > Thanks, David > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 12 20:03:19 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jb) Date: Sun Oct 12 19:03:19 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031012175739.01d6e488@po2.bbn.com> References: <000801c38f8f$4abcfa60$033bbbd0@qwest.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20031012175739.01d6e488@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <3F8A0756.7030504@hal-pc.org> Nathan C. Martin II wrote: > For those of us who are uninformed please indicate which state this > locality is in. > > Best regards, > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA, USA > The magnetite localities of recent discussion are in the Iron Springs Mining District in Iron County, Utah. Cedar City on I-15 is the nearest big town. The magnetite occurs as a replacement of limestone, but the deposits are not really in skarns. The primary minerals are magnetite, siderite, calcite, apatite, and some amethyst. The mines are all open-cut pits and most of the dumps are huge to gigantic. However they are not very interesting; the better material is in limestone seams and as float in the surrounding washes and slopes. The land is almost all private but reasonable access and collecting is allowed so far. Topo maps are Cedar City, The Three Peaks, and Desert Mound. When I was there last year, I found the best collecting area was on the NE side of Iron Mountain in the outwash plain. Go W on UT 52 to Comstock Road at milepost 34. Take this to the right for several miles until you meet the railroad crossings. There is an active strip mine to your left on the flank of the mountain, and several more across the valley to the NE towards Desert Mound. You are now in the outwash plain of Iron Mountain. The magnetite float is obvious and several pieces had cavities with good mini-xtals, and a few were hand-size groups of inch-size octahedrons, somewhat worn from tubling down the mountain. Beware; most of this land is private, and the RR is active and posted. It is probably a good idea to check in at the mine and let someone know what you are doing out there in the desert.Many of the dumps are accessable from UT 52 though a high-clearance vehicle is a good idea. This area of Utah is nice to rockhounds. Just to the North is Parowan and Brian Head which are great for agate, and to the East are Garfield and Kane Counties with the Henry Mountains. Besides that the scenery is spectacular! The #1 finest guide to Utah is "A Collector's Guide to Rock, Mineral, & Fossil Localities of Utah" by James R. Wilson. It is a must for any researcher of field trips and can be ordered on-line from the Utah Geological Survey. I can assure you after having spent three weeks traveling and rockhounding around the state last year that it is a great place to visit. But do your homework first! john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 13 05:48:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Mulvey) Date: Mon Oct 13 04:48:00 2003 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] Parker Mtn Mine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031013114701.61688.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> --- HilmarKrocke wrote: Joe wrote: > While we knew that flourapatite and beryl were possibilities, > our status as novice mineral collectors prevented us from > finding anything of that magnitude of coolness. > ______________________________________________ > > Great collecting - site description ! > > .....but it is fluorapatite, not flourapatite > as has been pointed out so many times on this list : FLUORITE > > Hilmar > ------- Thanks, Hilmar! You may notice I correctly spelled all the minerals I actually found! 8-) Joe ===== Joe Mulvey Nashua, NH -- USA http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 13 09:44:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cole Wolfe) Date: Mon Oct 13 08:44:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New here/attn.DaveW References: <007901c38f3b$38f998f0$6800a8c0@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: DaveW~ Thanx for the welcome!=20 I've found the local rock/gem club for my area, now I just have to swallow my shy streak and get in there...! Hanging out on this list though I've learned quite a bit already, thanx! Peace, Kym "Live As If Your Best Memories Haven't Yet Happened..." ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave West=20 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New here... Kym, Welcome to the list. Here you will discover that the world of = rocks and minerals can be compared to the universe in beauty, complexity, and = awe inspiring moments. I am a "green as a gourd" rookie but six months = on this list is like being a kid in a candy shop! By the way, join the local rock/gem club, go to the meetings and plead ignorance. You will be = stunned at the willingness of members to help you learn. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 13 13:09:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (HilmarKrocke) Date: Mon Oct 13 12:09:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington In-Reply-To: <19e.1b3686de.2cb9ab0b@aol.com> Message-ID: 2003.10.11. 11:50 WTompkcccc@aol.com John- Many zeolites have been reported from the 200/237 Road Quarry, near Wolf Point, Cowlitz County, Washington __________________________________________________________ Those forest service road numbers are not given on the map. Could you please define in which direction and how far from the peak of Wolf Point the Quarry is. Or do you have coordinates ? Thank you Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 13 18:37:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 13 17:37:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington Message-ID: <41.350a9b94.2cbc9eeb@aol.com> Hilmar- The forest service road numbers are not included because the 200/237 quarry is on private land owned by Weyerhaeuser. Which is also why the site is closed to collecting now. A while back Weyerhaeuser took some newspaper reporters up onto their land and showed them all the vandalism, dumping, marajuana farms, and meth labs that littered their property and then told the reporters that was why their land is now closed to collecting. (with the exception of a couple weekends a year during hunting season). Sorry. I don't have the GPS coordinates. Perhaps Rudy Tschernich or Lanny Ream can help. I've been there many times in the past, but not with a GPS unit. Bill Tompkins From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 13 18:40:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 13 17:40:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] gold panning in Texas, anyone? Message-ID: <2b.49736d8d.2cbc9fac@aol.com> Hello everyone, I have been a member of this list for years and love everything I have learned here. I was wondering if anyone here knows good places to pan for gold around central Texas. I recently saw a program on the outdoor channel about the Llano county area and and became bummed out because I was just there and didn't know you could prospect there. This was the Enchanted Rock area. I live in Galveston and being geologically challenged I am looking for places to go.. Does anyone know the best route frome here to the Llano river areas and what areas are good to try? Thanks for the help. Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 14 15:14:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (HilmarKrocke) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:14:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington In-Reply-To: <41.350a9b94.2cbc9eeb@aol.com> Message-ID: 2003.10.13 17:35WTompkcccc@aol.com Hilmar- The forest service road numbers are not included because the 200/237 quarry is on private land owned by Weyerhaeuser. Which is also why the site is closed to collecting now. A while back Weyerhaeuser took some newspaper reporters up onto their land and showed them all the vandalism, dumping, marajuana farms, and meth labs that littered their property and then told the reporters that was why their land is now closed to collecting. (with the exception of a couple weekends a year during hunting season). Sorry. I don't have the GPS coordinates. Perhaps Rudy Tschernich or Lanny Ream can help. I've been there many times in the past, but not with a GPS unit. Bill Tompkins _________________________________________________________________ Thank you for your reply Bill. What a sad commentary on society ! Obviously a very interesting site, lost to us for collecting because of the misdeeds of others. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 15 10:27:53 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Oct 15 09:27:53 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wairakite from Washington In-Reply-To: <41.350a9b94.2cbc9eeb@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill and Hilmar, Here's the data I recorded for the quarry: 200/237 Road Quarry, east of Wolf Point, Cowlitz Co., Washington lat: 46 12 16.3 long: 122 31 50.3 Off S. Fork Toutle River after River crossing, access via road 4950 to road 200 to quarry Lanny On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 05:35 PM, WTompkcccc@aol.com wrote: > Hilmar- > > The forest service road numbers are not included because the 200/237 > quarry > is on private land owned by Weyerhaeuser. Which is also why the site > is > closed to collecting now. A while back Weyerhaeuser took some > newspaper reporters > up onto their land and showed them all the vandalism, dumping, > marajuana > farms, and meth labs that littered their property and then told the > reporters that > was why their land is now closed to collecting. (with the exception of > a > couple weekends a year during hunting season). > > Sorry. > > I don't have the GPS coordinates. Perhaps Rudy Tschernich or Lanny > Ream can > help. I've been there many times in the past, but not with a GPS unit. > > Bill Tompkins > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 15 10:42:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Oct 15 09:42:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Book of geological fiction Message-ID: Happy Wednesday everyone! =20 For those of you who like geological fiction books, here's a new one = that was recently published. 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Web site at = www.yellowstonefarewell.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 07:00:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen stover) Date: Thu Oct 16 06:00:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] gold panning in Texas, anyone? In-Reply-To: <2b.49736d8d.2cbc9fac@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031016125903.72032.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Don't know about gold but I am heading for some pet. wood in the tilden, tx area this saturday. if you want to come along more than welcome. \ --- Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > I have been a member of this list for years and > love everything I have > learned here. > I was wondering if anyone here knows good places > to pan for gold around > central Texas. I recently saw a program on the > outdoor channel about the Llano > county area and and became bummed out because I was > just there and didn't know > you could prospect there. This was the Enchanted > Rock area. > I live in Galveston and being geologically > challenged I am looking for > places to go.. Does anyone know the best route frome > here to the Llano river areas > and what areas are good to try? Thanks for the > help. > Kevin > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 08:07:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:07:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite In-Reply-To: <20031016125903.72032.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, In our intro. geology labs, I like to give students samples of dolomite to I.D. What I need is coarse cleavable masses I can break up for student sized pieces. Not the nice pink saddle xls., etc. that are often sold, and not massive rock with teeny grains with tiny little cleavage planes. Any one know where I can get some - buy, trade, collect? I'd heard that some of magnesite mine at Gabbs, Nevada had good dolomite. Any one know if that is still accessible? Thanks1 Bill Cordua From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 08:07:14 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (relic hunter) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:07:14 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] gold panning in Texas, anyone? Message-ID: http://www.Dirtyrockhounds.com We share a lot of trips so you can ask there as well...... >From: Stephen stover >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] gold panning in Texas, anyone? >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:59:03 -0700 (PDT) > >Don't know about gold but I am heading for some pet. >wood in the tilden, tx area this saturday. > >if you want to come along more than welcome. >\ > >--- Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I have been a member of this list for years and > > love everything I have > > learned here. > > I was wondering if anyone here knows good places > > to pan for gold around > > central Texas. I recently saw a program on the > > outdoor channel about the Llano > > county area and and became bummed out because I was > > just there and didn't know > > you could prospect there. This was the Enchanted > > Rock area. > > I live in Galveston and being geologically > > challenged I am looking for > > places to go.. Does anyone know the best route frome > > here to the Llano river areas > > and what areas are good to try? Thanks for the > > help. > > Kevin > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >===== >Stephen F. Stover >PH (281) 829-1102 >xossfs@yahoo.com > >Wanting to hunt rocks >and play games every day! > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Page a contact’s mobile phone with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 08:10:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (relic hunter) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:10:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New here... Message-ID: Welcome welcome welcome....You will meet some great people here that will assist you in your efforts.. Http://www.Dirtyrockhounds.com >From: "Cole Wolfe" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: [Rockhounds] New here... >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:39:18 -0700 > >Hi all, my name is Kym, I'm from Oregon.... >My partner and I just started collecting minerals, ie. quartz crystal >about a week ago, actually we've only been out 1 time, but it's very >quickly becoming a passion, hobby, etc... Our friend showed us one >place, so that's all we know, our first time, new "pickers," it was a >wonderful experience just to be out in the mountains...! >We are very interested in learning about other rocks, minerals, fossils, >etc. >Anyway, glad we found this site and grp.... > >Peace, >Kym >"Live As If Your Best Memories Haven't Yet Happened..." > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 08:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Bill, If you locate any, please let me know. I would love to have some for my labs as well. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of William Cordua Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:07 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite Hi, In our intro. geology labs, I like to give students samples of dolomite to I.D. What I need is coarse cleavable masses I can break up for student sized pieces. Not the nice pink saddle xls., etc. that are often sold, and not massive rock with teeny grains with tiny little cleavage planes. Any one know where I can get some - buy, trade, collect? I'd heard that some of magnesite mine at Gabbs, Nevada had good dolomite. Any one know if that is still accessible? Thanks1 Bill Cordua _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 09:24:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (R Stephen Carter) Date: Thu Oct 16 08:24:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Friends of Mineralogy Symposium and Field Trip! Message-ID: <006101c393f9$97c1b4e0$933a4ad1@o4y0i4> The Friends of Mineralogy Pennsylvania Chapter is holding their Fall Symposium for the mineral collecting community. It will be held on Saturday and Sunday November 1st and 2nd at the Delaware County Institute of Science, 11 Veterans Square in Media, Pennsylvania. This years topic is "Minerals, Museums and More". There will be five FANTASTIC speakers at the symposium on Saturday: Dr. John Jaszczak of the Seaman Mineralogical Museum in Houghton MI Michael Hawkins of the New York State Museum in Albany, NY Dr. David Saja of the Cleveland Museum of Natural History in Cleveland, OH Al Palmer of the Delaware County Institute of Science in Media, PA Jay Lininger of MATRIX Publishing Company, Dillsburg, PA Need I say more??? This symposium will include an auction of specimens that promises to be exceptional. You can see some of the specimens that Dr. Saja will be bringing at the following website link http://www.geocities.com/sajas.geo/FM/Symp/spec.html There will also be a field trip to the Teeter Quarry in historic Gettysburg, PA on Sunday. This quarry has exceptional zeolite group minerals. Please make every effort to attend. You will not be disappointed. Please visit the Friends of Mineralogy website at http://www.geocities.com/sajas.geo/FM/symposium.htm or contact Roger Mitchell at rdksmitchell@erols.com for further information. Steve Carter Penn Minerals www.pennminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 17:17:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Oct 16 16:17:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite References: Message-ID: <3F8F26C5.28FC@Tomaszewski.net> Have you checked with your local building stone supplier from the yellow pages? William Cordua wrote: > > Hi, > In our intro. geology labs, I like to give students samples of dolomite > to I.D. What I need is coarse cleavable masses I can break up for student > sized pieces. Not the nice pink saddle xls., etc. that are often sold, and > not massive rock with teeny grains with tiny little cleavage planes. Any one > know where I can get some - buy, trade, collect? > I'd heard that some of magnesite mine at Gabbs, Nevada had good > dolomite. Any one know if that is still accessible? > Thanks1 > > Bill Cordua > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 17:24:25 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kowalski, Ted - Washington, DC) Date: Thu Oct 16 16:24:25 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals Message-ID: Tie a relatively strong magnet to a strong piece of string. Take the magnet for a walk. Lightly drag the magnet. You will pick up lots of pieces and ocasionally feel the tug of a larger piece of magnetite. Enjoy. Ted Kowalski Fredericksurg, VA USA TKowalsk@email.usps.gov -----Original Message----- From: David and Brenda Croft To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Fri Oct 10 20:33:27 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals Hello, I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned about a good place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines there and found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and was wondering if you could give directions to where you found the crystals. I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. 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Please read it and voice your opinions/comments/criticisms to the Board of Trustees (mailing address is at the end of the letter). Thanks and regards, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ 16 Oct 2003 Updated News of the Problem and Personal Comments. There have been no changes in the plans of the Museum Administration to implement the announced personnel cuts. This despite the chorus of disapproval from the Museums members, volunteers, and the general public. The justification for the layoffs and reductions has been explained but there is little evident meaningful response to concerns for the personnel affected. The public response evidently caught the museum administrators off guard. They hastily offered two forums for presenting the reasons for the announcement of the cuts and to offer the volunteers a chance to be heard. The Department of Earth Science [ DES ] Chairman, Kirk Johnson also presented the case to the DES volunteers giving them a chance to present their many views and possible solutions. Dr. Johnson endorsed the administrations point of view and asked for help with the PR needed to continue the SCFD tax initiative. At this meeting the volunteers voiced their displeasure with the DMNS position to continue the January 2004 merit raise of 2.9 per cent for all remaining employees despite the Museum's financial crisis. Consequently, it was suggested by the DES volunteers that the Museum employees not receive a merit increase but that salaries be frozen at the current level. Dr. Johnson described his reason for selecting Jack Murphy and Bryan Small to bear the Departments mandated cost reduction. It was primarily because they were not also holding supervisory/managerial roles. In response to the repeated claim that Dr. Jack Murphy only holds one job versus the two or more duties held by other Department personnel, I submit these personal observations: Jack Murphy is accountable for many duties and responsibilities effecting 4 different disciplines: minerals, precious gemstones, rocks and their geological relationships and of course the popular meteorites. Dr. Murphy is responsible for the curation and stewardship of more than 48,000 individual specimens that have come to the museum over the last century including the invaluable gold collection, the rare Colorado diamonds, and the recent nationally recognized rhodochrosite wall and the related Alma King specimen. Constant new donations require his special attention. Dr. Murphy has been the Museum's most untiring and supportive representative to the public and scientific world for three decades. His vast knowledge and ongoing research result in frequent articles and public appearances. This is evidenced through the popular building stones walking tour books, his geology field trips and his continuing geologic research of newly arriving specimens and the research into the historical aspect of the collections. He is certainly one of the most familiar Museum faces on Television. Dr. Murphy is in constant demand and responds as a speaker to numerous local and national venues on Colorado Geology. He presents educational programs in many Colorado and Wyoming communities concerning recent and historic meteorite falls. A side benefit of this has been to discover many previous unreported meteorites. This in itself has added to the stature of the Museum as one of the few scientific institutions doing meteorite identifications for the public. He contributes many more than the required 40 hours per week [as do all the Curators]. Dr. Murphy is responsible for the upkeep and upgrading of the Coors Mineral Hall and the development of new exhibits for the public. Murphy is curator of the incredible world class meteorite collection. Along with this goes the ongoing research required with each new meteor sighting. He helped develop the proactive [grade school through high school] educational All-Sky Camera Meteor Tracking Project with the museum's educators. Jack Murphy supervises a continual flow of interns through the Geology Department as well as his staff of volunteers. His love of this Museum and of geology have led him to choose these many activities over accepting administrative positions or more lucrative job offers elsewhere. In conclusion, Jack Murphy did hold additional supervisory roles for many years, with the title Curator of Geology and Paleontology. Ironically Jack Murphy promoted the development of the Paleontology Department in the late 1980s and opted to remain as Curator of Geology knowing his skills would be of the most benefit there. What more can be demanded of any curator? Letters to the Chairman of the Board, Mike Wilfley have been answered with a form letter reply. Mr. Wilfley stated that he supports finding the missing half salary needed to retain Jack Murphy full time and said that Dr. Russ Graham would address this issue. I find encouragement there. Yet it seems desirable to continue to voice our disapproval concerning the announcement of the personnel cuts. The other curatorial reductions also need to be addressed as part of the Museum's commitment to its declared interest in all phases of Natural History and Science Indeed it is time to declare to all the Mission and Direction of the Museum and to develop and announce long range plans for each Department. Addressing these items and finding ways to retain the personnel at full time will go a long way in restoring the confidence of all concerned in the Museum's Administration. In the aftermath of the first passionate outcry and with determined civility it seems likely that now is the time to communicate again with the Board of Trustees. Your feelings, your constructive criticism, your solutions will all no doubt be noted. -Alan A. Keimig ___________________________ To write: Chairman of the Board of Trustees Denver Museum of Nature and Science Mr. Mike Wilfley A.W. Wilfley & Sons, Inc. P.O. Box 2330 Denver, Colorado, 80201 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 18:04:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Oct 16 17:04:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Personnel cuts at Denver Museum of Nature and Science (PLEASE READ!) Message-ID: Hi all, This is very sad. In case you didn't know, the Denver Museum of Nature and Science (DMNS... formerly the Denver Museum of Natural History) is going to layoff a couple employees, including Dr. Jack Murphy, a long-time employee and the one person who comes to mind when people think of the museum. Let's try to stop the museum from doing something stupid! Alan A. Keimig's letter to the public follows. Please read it and voice your opinions/comments/criticisms to the Board of Trustees (mailing address is at the end of the letter). Thanks and regards, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ 16 Oct 2003 Updated News of the Problem and Personal Comments. There have been no changes in the plans of the Museum Administration to implement the announced personnel cuts. This despite the chorus of disapproval from the Museums members, volunteers, and the general public. The justification for the layoffs and reductions has been explained but there is little evident meaningful response to concerns for the personnel affected. The public response evidently caught the museum administrators off guard. They hastily offered two forums for presenting the reasons for the announcement of the cuts and to offer the volunteers a chance to be heard. The Department of Earth Science [ DES ] Chairman, Kirk Johnson also presented the case to the DES volunteers giving them a chance to present their many views and possible solutions. Dr. Johnson endorsed the administrations point of view and asked for help with the PR needed to continue the SCFD tax initiative. At this meeting the volunteers voiced their displeasure with the DMNS position to continue the January 2004 merit raise of 2.9 per cent for all remaining employees despite the Museum's financial crisis. Consequently, it was suggested by the DES volunteers that the Museum employees not receive a merit increase but that salaries be frozen at the current level. Dr. Johnson described his reason for selecting Jack Murphy and Bryan Small to bear the Departments mandated cost reduction. It was primarily because they were not also holding supervisory/managerial roles. In response to the repeated claim that Dr. Jack Murphy only holds one job versus the two or more duties held by other Department personnel, I submit these personal observations: Jack Murphy is accountable for many duties and responsibilities effecting 4 different disciplines: minerals, precious gemstones, rocks and their geological relationships and of course the popular meteorites. Dr. Murphy is responsible for the curation and stewardship of more than 48,000 individual specimens that have come to the museum over the last century including the invaluable gold collection, the rare Colorado diamonds, and the recent nationally recognized rhodochrosite wall and the related Alma King specimen. Constant new donations require his special attention. Dr. Murphy has been the Museum's most untiring and supportive representative to the public and scientific world for three decades. His vast knowledge and ongoing research result in frequent articles and public appearances. This is evidenced through the popular building stones walking tour books, his geology field trips and his continuing geologic research of newly arriving specimens and the research into the historical aspect of the collections. He is certainly one of the most familiar Museum faces on Television. Dr. Murphy is in constant demand and responds as a speaker to numerous local and national venues on Colorado Geology. He presents educational programs in many Colorado and Wyoming communities concerning recent and historic meteorite falls. A side benefit of this has been to discover many previous unreported meteorites. This in itself has added to the stature of the Museum as one of the few scientific institutions doing meteorite identifications for the public. He contributes many more than the required 40 hours per week [as do all the Curators]. Dr. Murphy is responsible for the upkeep and upgrading of the Coors Mineral Hall and the development of new exhibits for the public. Murphy is curator of the incredible world class meteorite collection. Along with this goes the ongoing research required with each new meteor sighting. He helped develop the proactive [grade school through high school] educational All-Sky Camera Meteor Tracking Project with the museum's educators. Jack Murphy supervises a continual flow of interns through the Geology Department as well as his staff of volunteers. His love of this Museum and of geology have led him to choose these many activities over accepting administrative positions or more lucrative job offers elsewhere. In conclusion, Jack Murphy did hold additional supervisory roles for many years, with the title Curator of Geology and Paleontology. Ironically Jack Murphy promoted the development of the Paleontology Department in the late 1980s and opted to remain as Curator of Geology knowing his skills would be of the most benefit there. What more can be demanded of any curator? Letters to the Chairman of the Board, Mike Wilfley have been answered with a form letter reply. Mr. Wilfley stated that he supports finding the missing half salary needed to retain Jack Murphy full time and said that Dr. Russ Graham would address this issue. I find encouragement there. Yet it seems desirable to continue to voice our disapproval concerning the announcement of the personnel cuts. The other curatorial reductions also need to be addressed as part of the Museum's commitment to its declared interest in all phases of Natural History and Science. Indeed it is time to declare to all the Mission and Direction of the Museum and to develop and announce long range plans for each Department. Addressing these items and finding ways to retain the personnel at full time will go a long way in restoring the confidence of all concerned in the Museum's Administration. In the aftermath of the first passionate outcry and with determined civility it seems likely that now is the time to communicate again with the Board of Trustees. Your feelings, your constructive criticism, your solutions will all no doubt be noted. -Alan A. Keimig ___________________________ To write: Chairman of the Board of Trustees Denver Museum of Nature and Science Mr. Mike Wilfley A.W. Wilfley & Sons, Inc. P.O. Box 2330 Denver, Colorado, 80201 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 18:09:49 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Ebsary) Date: Thu Oct 16 17:09:49 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geoventure 2003, Oct 18 & 19, 2003 Message-ID: <000c01c39379$a14845e0$a0213145@jim> Hello all The Niagara Peninsula Geological Society presents its annual show = Geoventure at Brock University in the Schmon Tower Cafeteria, 500 = Glenridge Ave, St Catharines Ontario, October 18 & 19, 2003. Times are = 10-5 Saturday and 10-4 Sunday. Any questions or if further information is required please contact the = writer offlist. Thank you The Niagara Peninsula Geological Society Jim Ebsary, Director npgs_info@sympatico.ca www.iaw.on.ca/~jime --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 18:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 16 17:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Personnel cuts at Denver Museum of Nature and Science (PLEAS... Message-ID: <167.26edbdd6.2cc0935d@aol.com> In a message dated 10/16/03 5:05:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bobl@peaktopeak.com writes: Let's try to stop the museum from doing something stupid! I have two questions. 1.) If the other employees didn't get their 2% wage increase would the museum survive without laying anybody off? 2.) Are there other cuts that could be made, cuts that would accomplish the needed budget reduction, without cutting staff? I remember years ago my local library had to make some hard choices. It boiled down to two choices. They could cut the hours they were open or cut the number of employees on duty when they were open. A third option, increase the library budget, had been rejected by voters passing a tax cut. They voted for lower taxes but didn't seem to realize that lower taxes meant a reduction in services. Law enforcement and fire protection are needed 24 hours a day but libraries and museums can be cut. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 18:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Oct 16 17:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Texas rockhounding question answered, a little bit Message-ID: <20031017005141.55328.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: A week or two ago someone asked about rockhounding in TX, specifically panning for gold and minerals. I know, lots of you TX r'hounds like petrified wood, but that just isn't everyone's favorite. Well, I don't personally know much about TX rocks, but I did remember reading an article in Rock and Gem recently about panning sites in TX. It took me a while to find the specific issue, since I'm totally not organized, and my magazines are both spread around my house, but some also live at my Dad's house. Anyway, I've found the article in V33, No 5 of Rock and Gem. Panning along US Highway 90, by David and Clois Walker __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 19:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Part 2 - Texas panning article! Oops. In-Reply-To: <20031016010003.26446.1117.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20031017011831.66485.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: A week or two ago someone asked about rockhounding in TX, specifically panning for gold and minerals. I know, lots of you TX r'hounds like petrified wood, but that just isn't everyone's favorite. Well, I don't personally know much about TX rocks, but I did remember reading an article in Rock and Gem recently about panning sites in TX. It took me a while to find the specific issue, since I'm totally not organized, and my magazines are both spread around my house, but some also live at my Dad's house right now. Anyway, I've found the article in V33, No 5 of Rock and Gem. Panning along US Highway 90, by David and Clois Walker, May, 2003. [OOps, I sent it half written! Sorry, here's part 2.] Sites are described in Presidio, Culbertson, Val Verde, Gonzales and Lavaca counties, all at crossings where the highway crosses the streams. 1) Presidio Co. Just east of Marfa where 90 crosses Alamite Cr. Agate, (Chalcedony and jasper) 2) Culberson Co. Between Lobo and Discus at the crossing of Crispa Cr. (Gold potential) 3) ValVerde Co. Just W of Langry at crossing of Langry Cr. Agate and Silicified wood) and E of Shumla at crossing of Pecos River (Quartz) 4) Gonzales Co. Where 90A crosses the Marcos River just W of Gonzales (Onyx and petrified palm wood) and crossing of Peach Cr E of ?Gonzales (agate, silicified wood, palm wood) 5) Lavaca Co. where 90A crosses Lavaca River just W of Hallettsville (silicified wood and palm wood) I do know that there are beautiful gypsum (or some other clear colorless crystal) crystals found on the banks of the Brazos River at low, low water levels somewhere near College Station that are really really nice - a cousin gave me one after asking me what it was... and also near College Station, there's a river crossing called "Whiskey Bridge" because when the county where Texas A&M is located was dry this bridge was the closest/only place to go to get a drink. Under this bridge is a good more-or-less public fossil collecting site. Probably a College Station old-timer could direct anyone to this locale. These (from R&G) are all described as potential locales because the authors didn't visit all of them - they looked at other known sites and looked downstream at nearby road crossings. I haven't visited the Brazos Rv OR Whiskey Bridge, but what the heck, the drive will be pretty and ehjoyable, right? Good luck, and let the list know how it panned out, OK? JR in WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 16 20:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Personnel cuts at Denver Museum of Nature and Science (PLEASE READ!) References: Message-ID: <3F8F5091.4B6F@Tomaszewski.net> Bob Loeffler wrote: > > This is very sad. In case you didn't know, the Denver Museum of Nature and > Science (DMNS... formerly the Denver Museum of Natural History) is going to > layoff a couple employees, including Dr. Jack Murphy, a long-time employee > and the one person who comes to mind when people think of the museum. Let's > try to stop the museum from doing something stupid. Bob, It is sad when museums must make cuts. Its even sadder when they select high visibility cuts to get the most press attention to try to gain support for increased funding. School boards and libraries do it too. My local museum is facing a similar budget crunch. I expect it is occurring everywhere in the US (and probably the world). The economy has been down (and we can argue about why on a more appropriate forum) and public institutions have been forced to cut back (as have many businesses). It is an unfortunate fact of life at this point. Now tight budgets tend to make administrations think about what is necessary and where their focus must be. Sometimes they refocus and change direction. Some old activities and products (aka, displays) may need to go to make room for others that are perceived as having better value (read more visitors and more revenue). Letting go of a highly visible (and probably well paid relative to other staff) champion of the obsolete programs during a budget crunch is the obvious solution, and the changes are a natural consequence. I can only hope your situation works out for the best. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 17 06:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Fri Oct 17 05:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite References: Message-ID: <001c01c394a8$22044e70$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Actually so would Ward's. I was the mineralogist at Ward's for seven years (pre-internet) and the only dolomite that we could get was fine-grained, so we had to sell the local rock. When the big Spanish dolomite xls began to be offered, I always bought every one that was damaged and/or cheap enough to resell. Sold them to oil companies for contact angle studies. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite > Dear Bill, > > If you locate any, please let me know. I would love to have some for my labs > as well. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of William Cordua > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:07 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite > > > Hi, > In our intro. geology labs, I like to give students samples of dolomite > to I.D. What I need is coarse cleavable masses I can break up for student > sized pieces. Not the nice pink saddle xls., etc. that are often sold, and > not massive rock with teeny grains with tiny little cleavage planes. Any one > know where I can get some - buy, trade, collect? > I'd heard that some of magnesite mine at Gabbs, Nevada had good > dolomite. Any one know if that is still accessible? > Thanks1 > > Bill Cordua > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 17 11:26:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Oct 17 10:26:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Coarse cleavable dolomite In-Reply-To: <001c01c394a8$22044e70$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <001c01c394a8$22044e70$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: The Yellowstone Mine (talc mine if my memory is right) near Ennis, Montana has dolomite crystals to several inches across. Just saw a few at the Montana Crystal Collectors Rendezvous. A collector by name of Chuck Borland in Bozeman had them. No idea if he has any low quality crystals to sell at a cheap price for educational use. Contact: The Quartz Conenction, 711 S 10th, Bozeman, MT 59715. The mine generally does not allow collecting, but specimens are collected on occasion during arranged field trips, so it is unlucky he can go get more. Regards, Lanny -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lanny R. Ream - lream@mineralnews.com - http://www.mineralnews.com Owner/Publisher - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of Mineral News, mineral guidebooks and mineral software: MinDex: the Mineral-Periodical Index and The Mineral Database From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 18 10:28:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Sat Oct 18 09:28:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: test References: Message-ID: <000601c39591$bb3c65c0$97e1fea9@1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > Southern Utah > > BK > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Nathan C. Martin > > II > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 16:59 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > > > > For those of us who are uninformed please indicate which state this > > locality is in. > > > > Best regards, > > Nate Martin > > Lexington, MA, USA > > > > At 10:43 AM 10/12/2003, you wrote: > > >David, > > >I was hunting for the directions to the Cedar City magnetite > > locality (which > > >I had gotten from Margaret) to forward to you, then I saw she > > beat me to it! > > >Thanks, Margaret. Incidentally, the directions worked well for > > me last year, > > >and I got a lot of nice stuff. > > >Jim Daly > > >Sauktown Sales > > >Microminerals and mounting supplies > > >http://www.sauktown.com > > >sauktown@adsnet.com > > >or orders@sauktown.com > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "David and Brenda Croft" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:33 PM > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned > > about a good > > >place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an > > >opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines > > there and > > >found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and > > >was wondering if you could give directions to where you found > > the crystals. > > >I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good > > >places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. > > > > Thanks, David > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > multipart/alternative > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > text/html > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 18 11:07:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Sat Oct 18 10:07:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] test References: Message-ID: <000501c39591$b9e51320$97e1fea9@1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > Southern Utah > > BK > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Nathan C. Martin > > II > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 16:59 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > > > > For those of us who are uninformed please indicate which state this > > locality is in. > > > > Best regards, > > Nate Martin > > Lexington, MA, USA > > > > At 10:43 AM 10/12/2003, you wrote: > > >David, > > >I was hunting for the directions to the Cedar City magnetite > > locality (which > > >I had gotten from Margaret) to forward to you, then I saw she > > beat me to it! > > >Thanks, Margaret. Incidentally, the directions worked well for > > me last year, > > >and I got a lot of nice stuff. > > >Jim Daly > > >Sauktown Sales > > >Microminerals and mounting supplies > > >http://www.sauktown.com > > >sauktown@adsnet.com > > >or orders@sauktown.com > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "David and Brenda Croft" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:33 PM > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite Crystals > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I was looking over your web site and saw where you mentioned > > about a good > > >place to collect Magnetite crystals west of Cedar City. I had an > > >opportunity a few months ago to go looking around the Iron Mines > > there and > > >found lots of Iron but no crystals. I am kind of new at rockhounding and > > >was wondering if you could give directions to where you found > > the crystals. > > >I am planning a trip down there next week. Do you know any other good > > >places down there for rock collecting. I am mostly interested in agates. > > > > Thanks, David > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > multipart/alternative > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > text/html > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 19 08:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Sun Oct 19 07:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Knoxville, TN show next weekend Message-ID: <9463139.1066573082351.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> List members! On behalf of Knoxville Gems and Mineral Society, http://www.korrnet.org/kgms/ I would like to invite members of the list to attend KGMS's 13th Annual Gem, Mineral and Jewelry Show to be held October 24-26, in Knoxville, Tennessee. We will have over 20 dealers from around the US carrying a wide assortment of minerals, fossils, jewelry, tools and lapidary supplies, and related gift items. For a complete list of our dealers, please visit our 2003 show site at http://www.korrnet.org/kgms/show-03.htm The theme for the 2002 show: "SILVER". If you would like to see what you missed at an earlier show, please visit http://www.korrnet.org/kgms/show99/ This page has several photos from prior shows! Show dates: October 24-26, 2003 Show hours: Friday, October 24 10:00am-6:00pm Saturday, October 25 10:00am-6:00pm Sunday, October 26 11:00am-5:00pm Admission: Adults $3.00 Weekend pass $5.00 Children under 12 Free Location: Kerbela Temple (865) 573-1901 315 Mimosa Avenue Knoxville, Tennessee We're only about 45 minutes from the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Pigeon Forge and Dollywood! The fall colors are at a peak for couple of weeks! We hope to see you in Knoxville for the show! Need more information? Feel free to contact me at: volgems@icx.net with any questions you may have. John Teague Knoxville Gem and Mineral Society Knoxville, Tennessee From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 19 11:34:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dri) Date: Sun Oct 19 10:34:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gold in Texas Message-ID: <006301c39667$1c0826c0$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> Recently, there was a thread here with regard to Gold in Texas. Following is a URL from today's edition of the Austin American Statesman: This URL is very long so it may be necessary to copy and paste it into your Browser. Enjoy! http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/auto/epaper/editions/sunday/metro_state_f32973a4e5cf80f01030.html Dri-Anna VioletReflections Newsletter Editor/Publisher WA - USA http://www.geocities.com/txdixie4107/VRnewsletterCover.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 19 11:43:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Sun Oct 19 10:43:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Coarse cleavable dolomite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I appreciate all suggestions that have been made for dolomite sources. I do haunt the local stone company people and have yet to find anything suitable. I'm still open for other suggestions on the where to get coarse cleavable dolomite. Also, any one know about the collecting conditions in and around Gabbs, Nevade? Am contemplating going there. Best wishes - Bill Cordua on 10/17/03 11:48 AM, Lanny at lream@mineralnews.com wrote: > The Yellowstone Mine (talc mine if my memory is right) near Ennis, > Montana has dolomite crystals to several inches across. Just saw a > few at the Montana Crystal Collectors Rendezvous. A collector by name > of Chuck Borland in Bozeman had them. No idea if he has any low > quality crystals to sell at a cheap price for educational use. > Contact: The Quartz Conenction, 711 S 10th, Bozeman, MT 59715. > > The mine generally does not allow collecting, but specimens are > collected on occasion during arranged field trips, so it is unlucky > he can go get more. > > Regards, > > Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 19 22:30:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Oct 19 21:30:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADV: 21st Annual IMRMC Silent Auction Message-ID: <3F9364A4.1C4D@Tomaszewski.net> The Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club of Wyoming, Michigan, will be holding their 21st annual 'Silent Auction' on Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at Wesley Park United Methodist Church (1150 32nd St. SW {corner with Michael}, Wyoming, MI) from 7 to 9 pm (6:30 pm if you have items to auction). All visitors are always welcome! Materials to be auctioned include specimens, cutting rough, handmade jewelry, books, equipment, or anything pertaining to the Rockhounding hobby. High ticket items will be on a special table open until the end of the auction. If you wish to auction items you can select to donate all proceeds to the club, or to retain 80% of the proceeds; you need to join the club ($15-family, $10-Single, $5-Junior), which can be done the night of the auction, to submit split proceeds items for auction. This is a good opportunity to sell surplus items (of a quality you would not mind owning). The annual auction gives children and newer collectors an opportunity to acquire quality specimens at reasonable cost, experienced collectors an opportunity to fill gaps in their collection, and introduce newcomers to the excitement and variety of our shared hobby -- bring a friend. I hope you can join us to make this another auction worth remembering. Kreigh P.S., contact me if you need further details. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 09:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tuttle, Tina J) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua Message-ID: <4BA0A362F722AB4CAF3B84FAA297739F67B675@iu-mssg-mbx01.exchange.iu.edu> Bill:=20 Don't know about Nevada, but I seem to recall dolomite quarries up by Cerro Gordo, east of Mt Whitney & Owens lake. I recall picking some of it up-it was white, more what I'd expect of a marble. There are two clubs out there that might be able to help if you wanted to obtain some-Indian Wells Valley Gem and Mineral (they have a website) and the Searles Valley Gem and Mineral Society. Cool perk of material from there would be the fascinating geological story of the "deepest valley" that might entertain students if the qualities of dolomite didn't enthrall. Course, then there's the ghost towns nearby... See this very fun link about the locality: http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/dolomite.html =20 Alternatively, Minerals Unlimited in Ridgecrest California may also have it in the bulk quantities. They have been an educational supplier for decades of rock & mineral specimens in bulk or individual specimens. Last I heard they had a website, but they used to always have an ad in the major rock and mineral pubs so you may find them there.=20 =20 Or, I have 70lbs of dolostone w/ broken Celestine from Ohio you can cart away if that will help. =20 Good luck. Tina Tuttle=20 Born again rockhound ttuttle@indiana.edu --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 09:09:30 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike & Dianna Roller) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:09:30 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] invitation Message-ID: <006f01c394e8$2f30d9c0$67c9000a@bullevemzr97br> We would like to extend an invitation to your earth science clubs, = rockhounds, and flintknapper groups to consider an event in our area = (Arkansas Ozarks, Bull Shoals Lake and White River). We have lots of = activities like fishing, golfing, canoeing, attractions, great = restaurants, meeting rooms for 30 to 300, and scenic drives. Our = lodging can be rustic or more elaborate. You choose. We have an Annual = Art in the Park Festival in April of 2004 (April 22, 23, 24, 2004) with = entertainment, concessions, craft booths and an art show and the Annual = Hillbilly Arkansas State Championship Chili Cook-Off in Sept. We have = Corp of Engineer Campgrounds and Parks all along the 1,050 miles of = shoreline on the lake. We have a State Park with several trails = overlooking both the White River and Bull Shoals Lake and they have = excellent naturalists who could guide you in your activities. The = Buffalo National River is not far away and there is an abundance of = trails in the Ozark National Forest with the opportunity to see birds = plus the added extra of herds of elk. Our area also offers Bull Shoals = Caverns, a living cave with all the formations, a trout stream and a = waterfall. Other caves are within an hours drive from Bull Shoals. = Gift shops offer finds for rock collectors and the White River = Campground hosts a Knapp-In a couple of times per year. =20 For information check out the following web sites: www.topotheozarks.com www.OzarkVacations.org www.southshore.com www.bullshoals.org Thank you for your consideration. Come see us. Dianna=20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 09:09:33 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:09:33 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Facetting machine Message-ID: <1c6.109487bb.2cc2dbc8@aol.com> Tim: Do you still have your facetting machine for sale? Alain --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 09:09:35 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (ROCK HOUNDS) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:09:35 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] hampton butte, glass butte? Message-ID: <000801c396bc$3b7ef560$93321643@DGN9BF31> Tim.. can you direct me to directions to the above locations? Me and members = of my/our club would like to go there next year. Thanks Kelly Hanson rockhounds@adelphia.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 09:09:38 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Willie Steyn) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:09:38 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Aquamarine / Erongo Message-ID: <001c01c396e2$1e43a1f0$f9bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> My name is Willie Steyn and I specialize in Namibian minerals. I do have = a rather big collection from all over Namibia, but my real interest is = in Tsumeb and the Erongo mountain.=20 I travel to these places on a regular basis, as I have people working = for me in the Erongo,mining, and was raised in Tsumeb and worked for a = short period on Tsumeb mine as a metallurgist. Two weeks ago a = spectacular pocket of Aqua`s was found and I future them on my website = http://www.namibiaminerals.com. This was one of the best finds in two = years from Erongo. Regards Willie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 11:18:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Oct 20 10:18:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] hampton butte, glass butte? In-Reply-To: <000801c396bc$3b7ef560$93321643@DGN9BF31> Message-ID: <42E8D612-0321-11D8-B3D1-000393A96092@mac.com> i think its exit 77, west of burns. take that road a few miles to the hills and look in any hole. when you come to a cow pond, there is glass on every hill from that point on! HTH ~KM On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 08:42 PM, ROCK HOUNDS wrote: > can you direct me to directions to the above locations? Me and members > of my/our club would like to go there next year. > Thanks The whole point of this sentence is to make clear what the whole point of this sentence is. - Douglas R Hofstadter From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 13:57:31 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:57:31 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Personnel cuts at Denver Museum of Nature and Science (PLEASE READ!) In-Reply-To: <3F8F5091.4B6F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Hi all, >From what I've heard, it seems like the museum is trying to go in a different direction and doesn't care as much about the earth sciences as they once did. As for Grant's questions, I don't know the answers. I would guess that they still wouldn't have the money even if they didn't give the 2% raises. And cuts in other areas are probably not wanted by the board of directors. Thanks, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/njeffco/ and a member of the Rock & Mineral Society (RAMS) Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/minerals/colorado/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:18 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Personnel cuts at Denver Museum of Nature and Science (PLEASE READ!) Bob Loeffler wrote: > > This is very sad. In case you didn't know, the Denver Museum of Nature and > Science (DMNS... formerly the Denver Museum of Natural History) is going to > layoff a couple employees, including Dr. Jack Murphy, a long-time employee > and the one person who comes to mind when people think of the museum. Let's > try to stop the museum from doing something stupid. Bob, It is sad when museums must make cuts. Its even sadder when they select high visibility cuts to get the most press attention to try to gain support for increased funding. School boards and libraries do it too. My local museum is facing a similar budget crunch. I expect it is occurring everywhere in the US (and probably the world). The economy has been down (and we can argue about why on a more appropriate forum) and public institutions have been forced to cut back (as have many businesses). It is an unfortunate fact of life at this point. Now tight budgets tend to make administrations think about what is necessary and where their focus must be. Sometimes they refocus and change direction. Some old activities and products (aka, displays) may need to go to make room for others that are perceived as having better value (read more visitors and more revenue). Letting go of a highly visible (and probably well paid relative to other staff) champion of the obsolete programs during a budget crunch is the obvious solution, and the changes are a natural consequence. I can only hope your situation works out for the best. Kreigh _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 14:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Oct 20 13:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] hampton butte, glass butte? Message-ID: It's past Hampton, on hwy 20, should be mile post 77.5. Tim's site said the Glass Butte road sign was missing this spring. There aren't many roads out that way, you can see the road go way back off the hwy. This is a personal recommendation, Tim's site is excellent and it's worth the couple of $$'s to get access to the password area. The maps and the GPS info is great. The Glass Butte site is pretty large and there are many areas that have different types of obsidian. He also has many other Oregon and Washington sites and the directions are very good. Dawn >From: Kris Murray >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] hampton butte, glass butte? >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:17:19 -0700 > >i think its exit 77, west of burns. take that road a few miles to the hills >and look in any hole. when you come to a cow pond, there is glass on every >hill from that point on! >HTH >~KM >On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 08:42 PM, ROCK HOUNDS wrote: > >>can you direct me to directions to the above locations? Me and members of >>my/our club would like to go there next year. >>Thanks >The whole point of this sentence is to make clear what the whole point of >this sentence is. - Douglas R Hofstadter > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 19:24:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Ebsary) Date: Mon Oct 20 18:24:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Facetting machine References: <1c6.109487bb.2cc2dbc8@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c396a8$938142e0$e5213145@jim> Hello Alain I'm sorry, I don't have a faceting machine for sale. I do have a polishing machine for sale. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Facetting machine > Tim: > Do you still have your facetting machine for sale? > Alain > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 19:24:23 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Ebsary) Date: Mon Oct 20 18:24:23 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Facetting machine References: <1c6.109487bb.2cc2dbc8@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c396a8$b5c0f620$e5213145@jim> Sorry list, I thought that this message was for me, it's been a long day. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Facetting machine > Tim: > Do you still have your facetting machine for sale? > Alain > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 20:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Oct 20 19:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua In-Reply-To: <4BA0A362F722AB4CAF3B84FAA297739F67B675@iu-mssg-mbx01.exchange.iu.edu> Message-ID: Heh, oddly enough we drove right past there a couple of months ago. If it is the same place, its east of 395 and you can see the white mine dumps from the highway. There's a ghost town called Dolomite there. We didn't stop since we couldn't see any obvious road to it and were in a hurry to make Yosemite early to get a campsite. I see a website up for it, the town is on CA-136 but is owned by the mine company now. There are a lot of google hits for Dolomite CA too. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > Bill: > > Don't know about Nevada, but I seem to recall dolomite quarries up by > Cerro Gordo, east of Mt Whitney & Owens lake. I recall picking some of > it up-it was white, more what I'd expect of a marble. There are two > clubs out there that might be able to help if you wanted to obtain > some-Indian Wells Valley Gem and Mineral (they have a website) and the > Searles Valley Gem and Mineral Society. Cool perk of material from there > would be the fascinating geological story of the "deepest valley" that > might entertain students if the qualities of dolomite didn't enthrall. > Course, then there's the ghost towns nearby... > > See this very fun link about the locality: > http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/dolomite.html > > > > Alternatively, Minerals Unlimited in Ridgecrest California may also have > it in the bulk quantities. They have been an educational supplier for > decades of rock & mineral specimens in bulk or individual specimens. > Last I heard they had a website, but they used to always have an ad in > the major rock and mineral pubs so you may find them there. > > > > Or, I have 70lbs of dolostone w/ broken Celestine from Ohio you can cart > away if that will help. > > > > Good luck. > > Tina Tuttle > > Born again rockhound > > ttuttle@indiana.edu > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 21:43:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Oct 20 20:43:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LapidaryList] STATE GEMSTONES References: Message-ID: <3F94AB1D.20B4@Tomaszewski.net> Jim Perkins wrote: to all of the school districts. Another idea crept into my head recently to buy a childrens puzzle map and use the state pieces as a pattern to make a map table of the USA. I decided to use the state gemstone to make each state from. I.E. Ohio is Flint. I was surprised to see not every State has a state gemstone. This idea originated I > First if your State has no official State stone I urge you to start a > petition. Second for those States which presently have no official > Stone. Does anyone have an idea of what I should use for that State. > Perhaps I should make a list of those not on my list. Would that help > you all help me? The primary use of the table when finished is for my > personal enjoyment. However, it will be periodically on public display > also. Hopefully, it will inspire someone to get busy in lapidary. > Best Regards, > Jim Perkins Hi Jim, For states that have no designated state stone/mineral/gemstone/fossil (and some have more than one!), I would suggest using first whatever is unique to the state (if anything), and then consider what is most common in that state. And if it helps your project research, Michigan's State Stone, the 'Petoskey Stone' (Hexagoneria pericamata), was designated in 1965 because of the (almost single-handed) efforts of one of my main rockhounding mentors, Gerry Morris (of the Grand Rapids Mineral Society); I still remember the thrill I had as Gerry (aka, "THE Petoskey Stone Man") was presented with the official certificate of designation from the State at a Club meeting. Gerry introduced me to lapidary, and I had the great pleasure of assisting him in teaching others in following years. BTW, in 1972 Michigan's State Gem of Chlorastrolite was designated, and the State Fossil, the Mastodon, was designated in 2002. I can attest from personal experience that one person can make a difference, and successfully lobby to get a State Stone/Gem/Fossil/Mineral designated; what are you waiting for? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 20 22:16:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:16:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LapidaryList] STATE GEMSTONES In-Reply-To: <3F94AB1D.20B4@Tomaszewski.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031020181542.02fcd8c0@mail.aloha.net> At 05:49 PM 10/20/2003, you wrote: >Jim Perkins wrote: > Does anyone have an idea of what I should use for that State. > > Perhaps I should make a list of those not on my list. Would that help > > you all help me? We did not receive (or haven't yet) Jim's original message, but yes, please do post a list of the states that---to your knowledge---do not have an official gem/mineral/stone/fossil. Actually, it would be interesting to see a list of those that do! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 07:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Tue Oct 21 06:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Message-ID: <3F9532C1.54D24DDF@utoronto.ca> Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some native Americans as material for making cutting blades? Liz Fodi liz.fodi@utoronto.ca From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 07:38:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Tue Oct 21 06:38:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] test References: <3F9532C1.54D24DDF@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <000501c397d8$808907a0$97e1fea9@1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz fodi" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > native Americans > as material for making cutting blades? > > Liz Fodi > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 08:19:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Tue Oct 21 07:19:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LapidaryList] STATE GEMSTONES In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031020181542.02fcd8c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Hi. Wisconsin doesn't have a state gemstone, but it does have a state mineral - galena - and a state rock - red granite. I have red granite samples I can send out for school projects of the sort described - just let me know what you'd like. Bill Cordua Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 on 10/20/03 11:35 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox at kahako@aloha.net wrote: > At 05:49 PM 10/20/2003, you wrote: > >> Jim Perkins wrote: >> Does anyone have an idea of what I should use for that State. >>> Perhaps I should make a list of those not on my list. Would that help >>> you all help me? > > > We did not receive (or haven't yet) Jim's original message, but yes, please > do post a list of the states that---to your knowledge---do not have an > official gem/mineral/stone/fossil. Actually, it would be interesting to > see a list of those that do! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 08:31:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Tue Oct 21 07:31:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica In-Reply-To: <3F9532C1.54D24DDF@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Dear Liz, I've never heard of it being used to cut anything, but there is reported burial where the body was encased in sheets of mica. Sorry I don't have a reference, but perhaps some archaeologist could help you out on that one. Several works on mica cite early mining by the Native Americans in Alabama and North Carolina, but I suspect it was used for decoration or perhaps religious rites. Galena and quartz crystals have been found in burials and village sites in Alabama. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of liz fodi Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:21 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some native Americans as material for making cutting blades? Liz Fodi liz.fodi@utoronto.ca _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 08:31:13 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Tue Oct 21 07:31:13 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Bryan. This is good information and will help me plan the field trip. I'm hoping those dump piles might have what I want, and that I can convince the company to let me collect at them. If not, perhaps there are some accessible outcrops outside the mine area. I didn't know of the little ghost town. It's name is a good omen for this "quest". Best wishes - Bill Cordua on 10/20/03 9:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer at jbryankramer@msn.com wrote: > Heh, oddly enough we drove right past there a couple of months ago. If it is > the same place, its east of 395 and you can see the white mine dumps from > the highway. There's a ghost town called Dolomite there. We didn't stop > since we couldn't see any obvious road to it and were in a hurry to make > Yosemite early to get a campsite. > > I see a website up for it, the town is on CA-136 but is owned by the mine > company now. There are a lot of google hits for Dolomite CA too. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > >> >> Bill: >> >> Don't know about Nevada, but I seem to recall dolomite quarries up by >> Cerro Gordo, east of Mt Whitney & Owens lake. I recall picking some of >> it up-it was white, more what I'd expect of a marble. There are two >> clubs out there that might be able to help if you wanted to obtain >> some-Indian Wells Valley Gem and Mineral (they have a website) and the >> Searles Valley Gem and Mineral Society. Cool perk of material from there >> would be the fascinating geological story of the "deepest valley" that >> might entertain students if the qualities of dolomite didn't enthrall. >> Course, then there's the ghost towns nearby... >> >> See this very fun link about the locality: >> http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/dolomite.html >> >> >> >> Alternatively, Minerals Unlimited in Ridgecrest California may also have >> it in the bulk quantities. They have been an educational supplier for >> decades of rock & mineral specimens in bulk or individual specimens. >> Last I heard they had a website, but they used to always have an ad in >> the major rock and mineral pubs so you may find them there. >> >> >> >> Or, I have 70lbs of dolostone w/ broken Celestine from Ohio you can cart >> away if that will help. >> >> >> >> Good luck. >> >> Tina Tuttle >> >> Born again rockhound >> >> ttuttle@indiana.edu >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 09:09:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:09:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: Message-ID: <00fd01c397e5$2f46a610$897ba8c0@D35YST0J> do you mean indians when you say native americans? or eskimo's/inuit or hispanic or ..? do those people want to be called native americans? i rememer someone telling me they wanted to be called american indians, or by their tribe name, or just indians cheers! from a native dutchman ;-) ps: google gives some answers on this one also http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=native+americans+mica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mica > Dear Liz, > > I've never heard of it being used to cut anything, but there is reported > burial where the body was encased in sheets of mica. Sorry I don't have a > reference, but perhaps some archaeologist could help you out on that one. > Several works on mica cite early mining by the Native Americans in Alabama > and North Carolina, but I suspect it was used for decoration or perhaps > religious rites. Galena and quartz crystals have been found in burials and > village sites in Alabama. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of liz fodi > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:21 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > native Americans > as material for making cutting blades? > > Liz Fodi > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 09:13:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:13:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Message-ID: <102120031512.19548.4c65@att.net> Liz, et al., The mound-builders of the Ohio area were known to use sheets of mica for ceremonial and decorative artifacts. I have several books with photos, I have been to most of the publicly accessible sites in Ohio (boy was that a lot of driving in a short period of time), and have unearthed mica at digs. I may even have a photo of a flat blade carved from mica, but if my memory serves correctly, I never got the impression that this or any other mica object was functional. Given the difficulty of cutting mica cleanly across the flat face (what most people call the c-face even though mica is not in the hexagonal system), I was always impressed by these objects. These peoples were also big users of native copper, and copper-mica combination pieces are quite stunning. They can be seen not only in museums in the Ohio area but also in the Smithsonian. The pre-contact natives had a vast trade network centered at what is now Cahokia, Illinois, just east of St. Louis, MO. I am not certain of the exact source of the mica, though most archaeologists remain certain that the copper was native copper from Michigan. Note that we do not, and likely never will, know why certain materials were prized by prehistoric first nations. They left no written record, and even the peoples of first contact (by Europeans, not in Star Trek) had little to no idea of the civilizations that came before. This has been a big mystery to archaeology, but some of the more interesting theories center around a civilization of basically independent tribes that was loosely linked by a centralized trade network covering much of the modern U.S. Anyway, there is no reason to believe in any hocus-pocus connection with mica, obsidian, gold, galena, quartz, or other materials frequently used by native peoples. THey may have simply thought it was cool. Don > Dear Liz, > > I've never heard of it being used to cut anything, but there is reported > burial where the body was encased in sheets of mica. Sorry I don't have a > reference, but perhaps some archaeologist could help you out on that one. > Several works on mica cite early mining by the Native Americans in Alabama > and North Carolina, but I suspect it was used for decoration or perhaps > religious rites. Galena and quartz crystals have been found in burials and > village sites in Alabama. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of liz fodi > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:21 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > native Americans > as material for making cutting blades? > > Liz Fodi > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 09:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Message-ID: <102120031522.1089.3c29@att.net> Having been involved in U.S. archaeology and met some native peoples and also having done some reading on the subject, you will find varying preferences: some don't mind "native American," but the purists prefer "First Nations" or "aboriginals" or "indigenous peoples", or their native name. As far as I know, none of them prefer "Indian" but the term is in such common use it is difficult to avoid at the moment. Note that the native name is often not the name "us white people" use; for example, the "Sioux" are actually the Lakota or the Ikce Wicasa. The Delaware Indians are the Lenni Lenape. The Navajo are the Di'neh (my diacritical may be incorrect, but you get the idea). I note with interest that many tribes' names for themselves translate as "we ourselves," "the local people," "the wild people," or some other general term for their social unit, whereas their names for other tribes translate as "the others," "the enemies of our ancestors," "the people from the next valley," and what have you. Semantics are to blame for many of the divisions of society, I think. No matter who you are are where you are from, there is some terminology to separate "us" and "them." But one thing is for sure: according to all evidence, every civilization throughout time has collected or used rocks and minerals!!! Don > do you mean indians when you say native americans? > or eskimo's/inuit or hispanic or ..? > do those people want to be called native americans? > i rememer someone telling me they wanted to be called american indians, or > by their tribe name, or just indians > > cheers! from a native dutchman ;-) > > ps: google gives some answers on this one also > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=native+ameri > cans+mica > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Barwood" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > > Dear Liz, > > > > I've never heard of it being used to cut anything, but there is reported > > burial where the body was encased in sheets of mica. Sorry I don't have a > > reference, but perhaps some archaeologist could help you out on that one. > > Several works on mica cite early mining by the Native Americans in Alabama > > and North Carolina, but I suspect it was used for decoration or perhaps > > religious rites. Galena and quartz crystals have been found in burials and > > village sites in Alabama. > > > > Henry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of liz fodi > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:21 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > > > > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > > native Americans > > as material for making cutting blades? > > > > Liz Fodi > > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 09:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: <102120031522.1089.3c29@att.net> Message-ID: <010b01c397e7$a8c24790$897ba8c0@D35YST0J> great answer to my question thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mica > > Having been involved in U.S. archaeology and met some native peoples and also > having done some reading on the subject, you will find varying preferences: > some don't mind "native American," but the purists prefer "First Nations" or > "aboriginals" or "indigenous peoples", or their native name. As far as I > know, none of them prefer "Indian" but the term is in such common use it is > difficult to avoid at the moment. Note that the native name is often not the > name "us white people" use; for example, the "Sioux" are actually the Lakota > or the Ikce Wicasa. The Delaware Indians are the Lenni Lenape. The Navajo > are the Di'neh (my diacritical may be incorrect, but you get the idea). I > note with interest that many tribes' names for themselves translate as "we > ourselves," "the local people," "the wild people," or some other general term > for their social unit, whereas their names for other tribes translate as "the > others," "the enemies of our ancestors," "the people from the next valley," > and what have you. > > Semantics are to blame for many of the divisions of society, I think. No > matter who you are are where you are from, there is some terminology to > separate "us" and "them." But one thing is for sure: according to all > evidence, every civilization throughout time has collected or used rocks and > minerals!!! > > Don > > > do you mean indians when you say native americans? > > or eskimo's/inuit or hispanic or ..? > > do those people want to be called native americans? > > i rememer someone telling me they wanted to be called american indians, or > > by their tribe name, or just indians > > > > cheers! from a native dutchman ;-) > > > > ps: google gives some answers on this one also > > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=native+ameri > > cans+mica > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Henry Barwood" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:32 PM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > > > > > Dear Liz, > > > > > > I've never heard of it being used to cut anything, but there is reported > > > burial where the body was encased in sheets of mica. Sorry I don't have a > > > reference, but perhaps some archaeologist could help you out on that one. > > > Several works on mica cite early mining by the Native Americans in Alabama > > > and North Carolina, but I suspect it was used for decoration or perhaps > > > religious rites. Galena and quartz crystals have been found in burials and > > > village sites in Alabama. > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of liz fodi > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:21 AM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > > > > > > > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > > > native Americans > > > as material for making cutting blades? > > > > > > Liz Fodi > > > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 09:31:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:31:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: <00fd01c397e5$2f46a610$897ba8c0@D35YST0J> Message-ID: <3F9550D2.BCE5E2BB@utoronto.ca> I used to say Amerindians, to distinguish between "Indians" of the Americas, and "Indians" from the subcontinent of India. I was recently told by a person in "Native Studies" that "Native Americans" is the generally preferred term. Liz Frank de Wit wrote: > > do you mean indians when you say native americans? > or eskimo's/inuit or hispanic or ..? > do those people want to be called native americans? > i rememer someone telling me they wanted to be called american indians, or > by their tribe name, or just indians > > cheers! from a native dutchman ;-) > > ps: google gives some answers on this one also > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=native+americans+mica > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Barwood" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:32 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > Dear Liz, > > > > I've never heard of it being used to cut anything, but there is reported > > burial where the body was encased in sheets of mica. Sorry I don't have a > > reference, but perhaps some archaeologist could help you out on that one. > > Several works on mica cite early mining by the Native Americans in Alabama > > and North Carolina, but I suspect it was used for decoration or perhaps > > religious rites. Galena and quartz crystals have been found in burials and > > village sites in Alabama. > > > > Henry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of liz fodi > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:21 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica > > > > > > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > > native Americans > > as material for making cutting blades? > > > > Liz Fodi > > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 10:08:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Oct 21 09:08:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: <3F9532C1.54D24DDF@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <008a01c397ec$62e72f60$38305841@powertech.net> > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > native Americans > as material for making cutting blades? > > Liz Fodi > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca I wouldn't think it would be strong enough??? Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 10:46:03 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Tue Oct 21 09:46:03 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: <3F9532C1.54D24DDF@utoronto.ca> <008a01c397ec$62e72f60$38305841@powertech.net> Message-ID: <3F95629B.1AE9DCB6@utoronto.ca> Thank you everyone who has replied so far. The question arose because a couple of people have told me that their children were taught that mica was used to make "blades" like "swords". I suggested that perhaps the children had confused obsidian and mica but apparently the information was on a "fact" sheet. Thank you Don for a reminder of where mica was used. I'll look further into what objects were produced. As for the ability of mica to cut. I have several proofs on my fingertips at the moment. It was mentioning this that brought up the whole subject. Splitting mica crystals cleanly with very thin flint blades would not be too difficult if the crystals were single individuals and free of inclusions. But I would think the skill needed to create a servicable blade is another matter entirely. Something to try perhaps. I suspect the 20 x 15 x 15 cm crystal sections I've been cleaning would prove equally lethal in their natural state if used as projectiles and bashers. Liz Mica Frisbee anyone? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Margaret Malm wrote: > > > Can anyone provide information on whether mica was used by some > > native Americans > > as material for making cutting blades? > > > > Liz Fodi > > liz.fodi@utoronto.ca > > I wouldn't think it would be strong enough??? > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 10:50:02 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue Oct 21 09:50:02 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: <102120031512.19548.4c65@att.net> Message-ID: <3F95637E.4040903@earthlink.net> > > >Anyway, there is >no reason to believe in any hocus-pocus connection with mica, obsidian, gold, > galena, quartz, or other materials frequently used by native peoples. THey >may have simply thought it was cool. > For at least obsidian and galena, they were functional as cutting instruments and as paint. Mica, gold, and quartz perhaps fit your description. Certainly not the two noted. Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 10:54:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Oct 21 09:54:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion In-Reply-To: <3F95629B.1AE9DCB6@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <023501c397f3$d1035710$6601a8c0@moose> Well, I broke down and got that Nikon 4300. Cool! I'm now looking for some Shareware (ok) or freeware (Great!) programs that will take an orange-masked negative image from a scanned negative and convert it into a "real" positive image. Any ideas or suggestions? I've got a lot of collecting trip images I'd love to convert... Regards, Gary From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 11:25:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 21 10:25:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Message-ID: <102120031724.2090.1aa7@att.net> > Splitting mica crystals cleanly with very thin flint blades would not be too > difficult if the crystals were single individuals and free of inclusions. In which direction? I was talking about cutting mica as it lays flat, not in between the plates. > I suspect the 20 x 15 x 15 cm crystal sections I've been cleaning would prove > equally lethal in their natural state if used as projectiles and bashers. Oh, don't think I meant to assert that it *didn't* happen. I can only attest to what I've seen. Your query definitely bears further research. Anything can be used as a weapon--rock, pencil, folded cardboard--but I wouldn't imagine a long mica blade lasting very long or being very effective in combat. I am concerned about the point of diminishing returns; i.e., how long would it take to make one of these vs. how much effective lifetime it had? We know know it takes 10 minutes for an experienced knapper to knap a very effective spear point; at one time archaeologists supposed that native peoples went around recovering these from hunting and battle sites because they must have been so precious to make; now we know they are and were disposable. I just cannot imagine going through the trouble of making a mica sword for one use. Of course, I am willing to stand corrected and if there is evidence of this kind of use, I'd find it fascinating! Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 13:15:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Tue Oct 21 12:15:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: <102120031724.2090.1aa7@att.net> Message-ID: <3F958592.59DB36BC@utoronto.ca> morningstar@att.net wrote: > > > > Splitting mica crystals cleanly with very thin flint blades would not be too > > difficult if the crystals were single individuals and free of inclusions. > > In which direction? I was talking about cutting mica as it lays flat, not in between the plates. Hi Don If you read my message again you will realize I was confirming your observation as to the level of difficulty involved. Cutting and splitting are different actions to my way of thinking. Splitting mica into thick sections and shaving down the edges of the plate as opposed to cutting might work however, and would certainly be easier than cutting out a piece in the manner you described. Try it with a knife. As I said, something to experiment with, perhaps. > > I suspect the 20 x 15 x 15 cm crystal sections I've been cleaning would prove > > equally lethal in their natural state if used as projectiles and bashers. > > Oh, don't think I meant to assert that it *didn't* happen. I can only attest to what I've seen. Your query > definitely bears further research. Anything can be used as a weapon--rock, pencil, folded cardboard--but I wouldn't > imagine a long mica blade lasting very long or being very effective in combat. I am concerned about the point of > diminishing returns; i.e., how long would it take to make one of these vs. how much effective lifetime it had? ... I just cannot imagine going through the trouble of making a mica sword for one use. In a shorter statement I was making exactly the same point. In case anyone misunderstood I added the tongue in cheek comment about mica frisbee. Mica plates are rather heavy, have a nice heft, and spin out quite well. Easy to create too. My main concern is whether or not there is any evidence that mica was ever used in the manner that the children were taught. I still am troubled remembering a teacher that taught a grade 3/4 class about the solar system... and didn't know the order of the inner planets. She couldn't spell either, and would "correct" words that were properly spelt to begin with. Then the poor student had to write out the misspelt word 10 times to fix the misspelling in their mind. It did. In Ontario the study of rocks and minerals is once again part of the curriculum. There is some very good teaching that has awakened and nourished interest. But there are also some curious conceptions being inculcated. In an effort to explain the difference between a rock and a mineral some children were being taught that a mineral is "pure" and a rock was "not pure". Very few children seemed to understand what was meant by those adjectives. I haven't heard that one this year and hope it means the teaching guide has been improved. Liz From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 13:15:20 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Williams) Date: Tue Oct 21 12:15:20 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua References: Message-ID: <003f01c39807$9c2d18a0$dad14fd1@Williams> Just so you don't get lost trying to find Gabbs, it is a long way from 395. Gabbs is in Mineral County and to get there you could take highway 50 and turn either right or left on 361, depending on whether you are driving from Ely or Fallon. The other way is if you are driving on Highway 95 and you would still turn right or left on 361. A lot of the dumps that you see are Magnesite or in some cases, Brucite or Quartz, or--it might even be Broken Hills--which is not really worth going to because of the Cyanamide that has been used. If all else fails in your qwest to find Dolomite, I know of a mine by where I live in El Dorado Cty, Ca--by Placerville that has a big Limestone cave with Dolomite in and across the river at the Mine that has Dolomite that sounds like what you are looking for. It is called the "Old Cosumnes Copper Mine" and I have led many field trips to there. You would need 4 wheel drive and don't even try going if it has rained in the last 2 days or is in the winter season. If you are intersted in going there , Let me know and I would find the time to take you or if you want me to send you some samples, let me know. Just so you know, I have always had a standing rule on these field trips, it doesn't matter who you are or how much you know about mineralogy, we get there, I lock the gate and give you a list of 10 to 15 minerals that you can find AND we don't leave until you not only have them, but, can identify them. I wish that had been a stipulation for my college field trips. If you go to Gabbs, there are many mines to visit and I know people that You would enjoy meeting and collecting with that Live in Nevada and probanly know every mine in existence since they are retired professional geologists. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua > Heh, oddly enough we drove right past there a couple of months ago. If it is > the same place, its east of 395 and you can see the white mine dumps from > the highway. There's a ghost town called Dolomite there. We didn't stop > since we couldn't see any obvious road to it and were in a hurry to make > Yosemite early to get a campsite. > > I see a website up for it, the town is on CA-136 but is owned by the mine > company now. There are a lot of google hits for Dolomite CA too. > > Bryan > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > > > Bill: > > > > Don't know about Nevada, but I seem to recall dolomite quarries up by > > Cerro Gordo, east of Mt Whitney & Owens lake. I recall picking some of > > it up-it was white, more what I'd expect of a marble. There are two > > clubs out there that might be able to help if you wanted to obtain > > some-Indian Wells Valley Gem and Mineral (they have a website) and the > > Searles Valley Gem and Mineral Society. Cool perk of material from there > > would be the fascinating geological story of the "deepest valley" that > > might entertain students if the qualities of dolomite didn't enthrall. > > Course, then there's the ghost towns nearby... > > > > See this very fun link about the locality: > > http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/dolomite.html > > > > > > > > Alternatively, Minerals Unlimited in Ridgecrest California may also have > > it in the bulk quantities. They have been an educational supplier for > > decades of rock & mineral specimens in bulk or individual specimens. > > Last I heard they had a website, but they used to always have an ad in > > the major rock and mineral pubs so you may find them there. > > > > > > > > Or, I have 70lbs of dolostone w/ broken Celestine from Ohio you can cart > > away if that will help. > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > Tina Tuttle > > > > Born again rockhound > > > > ttuttle@indiana.edu > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 14:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Truesdail) Date: Tue Oct 21 13:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua References: <003f01c39807$9c2d18a0$dad14fd1@Williams> Message-ID: <3F959B21.5012CE7F@directcon.net> My TopoUSA map shows Dolomite being just East of Lone Pine, CA. Gary Williams wrote: > Just so you don't get lost trying to find Gabbs, it is a long way from 395. > Gabbs is in Mineral County and to get there you could take highway 50 and > turn either right or left on 361, depending on whether you are driving from > Ely or Fallon. The other way is if you are driving on Highway 95 and you > would still turn right or left on 361. > A lot of the dumps that you see are Magnesite or in some cases, Brucite or > Quartz, or--it might even be Broken Hills--which is not really worth going > to because of the Cyanamide that has been used. > > If all else fails in your qwest to find Dolomite, I know of a mine by where > I live in El Dorado Cty, Ca--by Placerville that has a big Limestone cave > with Dolomite in and across the river at the Mine that has Dolomite that > sounds like what you are looking for. It is called the "Old Cosumnes > Copper Mine" and I have led many field trips to there. You would need 4 > wheel drive and don't even try going if it has rained in the last 2 days or > is in the winter season. If you are intersted in going there , Let me know > and I would find the time to take you or if you want me to send you some > samples, let me know. Just so you know, I have always had a standing rule on > these field trips, it doesn't matter who you are or how much you know about > mineralogy, we get there, I lock the gate and give you a list of 10 to 15 > minerals that you can find AND we don't leave until you not only have them, > but, can identify them. I wish that had been a stipulation for my college > field trips. > > If you go to Gabbs, there are many mines to visit and I know people that You > would enjoy meeting and collecting with that Live in Nevada and probanly > know every mine in existence since they are retired professional geologists. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] dolomite--cordua > > > Heh, oddly enough we drove right past there a couple of months ago. If it > is > > the same place, its east of 395 and you can see the white mine dumps from > > the highway. There's a ghost town called Dolomite there. We didn't stop > > since we couldn't see any obvious road to it and were in a hurry to make > > Yosemite early to get a campsite. > > > > I see a website up for it, the town is on CA-136 but is owned by the mine > > company now. There are a lot of google hits for Dolomite CA too. > > > > Bryan > > > > "Si vis pacem para bellum" > > > > > > > > Bill: > > > > > > Don't know about Nevada, but I seem to recall dolomite quarries up by > > > Cerro Gordo, east of Mt Whitney & Owens lake. I recall picking some of > > > it up-it was white, more what I'd expect of a marble. There are two > > > clubs out there that might be able to help if you wanted to obtain > > > some-Indian Wells Valley Gem and Mineral (they have a website) and the > > > Searles Valley Gem and Mineral Society. Cool perk of material from there > > > would be the fascinating geological story of the "deepest valley" that > > > might entertain students if the qualities of dolomite didn't enthrall. > > > Course, then there's the ghost towns nearby... > > > > > > See this very fun link about the locality: > > > http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/dolomite.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, Minerals Unlimited in Ridgecrest California may also have > > > it in the bulk quantities. They have been an educational supplier for > > > decades of rock & mineral specimens in bulk or individual specimens. > > > Last I heard they had a website, but they used to always have an ad in > > > the major rock and mineral pubs so you may find them there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, I have 70lbs of dolostone w/ broken Celestine from Ohio you can cart > > > away if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Tina Tuttle > > > > > > Born again rockhound > > > > > > ttuttle@indiana.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 15:19:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Oct 21 14:19:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australia 2003 (long - delete if not interested) Message-ID: <000001c39818$c90ac870$58ddc850@maxdata> Dear friends, =20 As promised, here is the story of our trip to Australia from 31/8 to = 29/9/2003. We went with Austrian Airlines from Brussels via Vienna and Kuala Lumpur = to Sydney. BTW Austrian (not "Australian" !) Airlines is a terrific company (splendid food, very punctual, short waiting time in = Kuala Lumpur (we were in fact not more than 20 minutes out of the plane), excellent service. =20 Our first goal was to walk and see lots of nature ; mineralogy came on = the second place as it was our very first trip to that continent. =20 In Sydney we visited extensively the Australian Museum (guided by Ian = Graham and Ross Pogson, who were both most hospitable). This museum is absolutely a "must see" whenever you go to Australia. = Unbelievable rhodochrosites, scholzites, cerussites that can rank with the very best Tsumeb specimens, huge and beautiful wulfenites, = the best saleeite I have ever seen etc. The exhibition is very enjoyable. =20 We hiked many tracks in Ku-Ring-Gai-Chase NP and the region around = Katoomba (Blue Mountains). Our first mineral collecting stop was a roadcut near Bow (a VERY small = "village" not too far from Merriwa). The roadcut is situated about 1 km east of the bridge over the Kruij River. The landscape there = matches almost perfectly any landscape in the southwest of Belgium... We found nice specimens of various zeolites there (chabazite, = natrolite, thomsonite and probably other species which I still have to identify). The material is quite brittle though. If in the = region, this place is a must. You can park your car at less than 20 meter from the best collecting spots. There is just no = escalator... A small quarry just west of the river is heavily fenced. =20 We moved further on to New England NP, Dorrigo NP and across the = Queensland border to Lamington NP where we stayed in O'Reilly's (expensive accomodation, but fully worth it). Crowds of kangoeroo's = there, and many colorfull parrots. We stayed one night at Theo Kloprogge's place in Brisbane (a geologist working on Raman spectroscopy = of minerals, university of Brisbane), and moved further north to Gympie (walks in Womalah State forest (Great Sandy NP - = Cooloola). Rockhampton is a very nice city, which we had not expected. The next stop was Airlie Beach, with walks in Conway NP. We = visited the Atherton Tablelands on our way to Port Douglas, with Daintree NP and Mossmann Gorge as highlights. Highlights in NSW and = Queensland for us were the numerous spectacular rain forests. =20 By plane we went from Cairns to Darwin in the Northern Territory, where = we headed in to Jabiru, in Kakadu NP. The surroundings of Jabiru are splendid in terms of wildlife, waterfalls, aboriginal art = etc. The temperature was around 42=B0C in the shadow, more than 50=B0C on the walking tracks. Next was Nitmiluk NP with an excursion by boat through Katherine Gorge, = and a walk over the cliffs surrounding it (at an ambient temperature of - verified - 50=B0C). We carried 5 to 6 liter water each, = which was just enough for barely 2-3 hours ! Even the many kangoeroos there stayed in the shadow. =20 Than we drove to the next collecting site : the Mount Bonnie mine, = northwest of Pine Creek. Eventually we decided not to drive onto the explicitely closed dirt road with our rental car. Moreover, we knew = that the Rum Jungle area (near Batchelor) was waiting for us. The dumps are situated about 7 km north of Batchelor, straight on where = the road on the left leads to Litchfield NP. This place was very probably the best match with hell. Temperature over 50=B0C, = absolutely no shadow, and moreover, unbelievably aggressive flies in excessive numbers. They like even to sit IN your ears and on your = eye-lids, and they even try to actually enter your nose ! Our European anti-insect spray didn't help a thing... the flies just liked = the smell very much. Anyway, after hard work I discovered a vug with pyromorphite crystals (no dump material, genuine solid rock !), = and on the dumps we found malachite, chrysocolla, some pyromorphite and one specimen of libethenite (no cerussite found). Most = of the dumps are actually being covered with soil ; within a few years this place could be lost to collectors. =20 In Litchfield NP, besides numerous spectacular waterfalls and many other = attractions, there is a relict of tin and tungsten mining (northern part of the park). =20 Back in Darwin we had to fly via Adelaide back to Sydney, and on to = Kuala Lumpur, Vienna to Brussels, totalling nearly 30 hours of flights. =20 In total we flew nearly 40000 km (more than 50 hours actually IN the = plane), drove some 7000 km and walked about 250 km... No one can say we did not have active holidays ! =20 General comments : the Aussie's are VERY hospitable, helpfull and = friendly. Criminality is at a very low level. Nature is great, accomodations and restaurants fantastic. Bed & Breakfast is a very = enjoyable way to get familiar with Australia and its inhabitants. We got many more hints on collecting localities, but distances are so = huge in Australia, that we could not fit most of them in our travel schedule. We were very glad that we hired a 4WD instead of a = sedan, because in most National Parks there are lots of unsealed roads, which are forbidden (by the car rental companies) for non-4WD = vehicles. Absolutely NO complaints at all concerning ALL facets of our trip and the country + inhabitants. It was just great in every = respect. =20 We visited several rock shops, but I must admit that we only found real = junk there. In several towns there were, of course, jewelry stores with all possible grades of opals, from affordable prices to = unpayable levels. In as far as I was at the right places I think most raw opal collectible specimens are cheaper in Tucson... =20 If I can help anyone with advice based on our limited experience, just = let me know. Best regards, =20 Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium =20 Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be =20 Homepage : = http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list =20 Mineral collector's page = http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 17:02:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Oct 21 16:02:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion In-Reply-To: <023501c397f3$d1035710$6601a8c0@moose> Message-ID: The scanner does that itself, at least my HP with slide/film scanning attachment does. Bryan "Si vis pacem para bellum" > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:53 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion > > > Well, I broke down and got that Nikon 4300. Cool! > > I'm now looking for some Shareware (ok) or freeware (Great!) programs that > will take an orange-masked negative image from a scanned negative and > convert it into a "real" positive image. Any ideas or suggestions? I've > got a lot of collecting trip images I'd love to convert... > > Regards, > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 18:43:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (S & C Weinberger) Date: Tue Oct 21 17:43:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion In-Reply-To: References: <023501c397f3$d1035710$6601a8c0@moose> Message-ID: Gary, You might check the accessories available for that Nikon. I know that the Nikon 5400 has an available slide scanner. Cost is about $100. You attach it to the lens of the camera, insert the slide and then take a photo with the camera which you can then print. Carolyn >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion >> >> >> Well, I broke down and got that Nikon 4300. Cool! >> >> I'm now looking for some Shareware (ok) or freeware (Great!) programs that >> will take an orange-masked negative image from a scanned negative and >> convert it into a "real" positive image. Any ideas or suggestions? I've >> got a lot of collecting trip images I'd love to convert... >> >> Regards, >> Gary >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 18:47:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (S & C Weinberger) Date: Tue Oct 21 17:47:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion Message-ID: Gary, You might check the accessories available for that Nikon. I know that the Nikon 5400 has an available slide scanner. Cost is about $100. You attach it to the lens of the camera, insert the slide and then take a photo with the camera which you can then print. Carolyn >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion >> >> >> Well, I broke down and got that Nikon 4300. Cool! >> >> I'm now looking for some Shareware (ok) or freeware (Great!) programs that >> will take an orange-masked negative image from a scanned negative and >> convert it into a "real" positive image. Any ideas or suggestions? I've >> got a lot of collecting trip images I'd love to convert... >> >> Regards, >> Gary >> >> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 21:23:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:23:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Part 2 - Texas panning article! In-Reply-To: <20031017011831.66485.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031017011831.66485.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Being a resident of the area, I thought it appropriate to add information to the notes shown below. The bridge site is better known as Stone City Bluff on the Brazos River, located where Rt. 21 crosses the Brazos River west of Bryan, Texas. The site has good exposures of 'glauconite' rich layers containing abundant small marine fossils, of late middle Eocene age (Bartonian stage). The site is practically always accessible and always has some fossils weathering out, so it is a favorite fossil collecting site for folks in east Texas. There are at least 250 species of fossil present in the beds, although most are very small. They are from a mud bottom substrate in an open ocean paratropical environment. The occurrence of gypsum in the area is problematical. Gypsum is not a normal part of the sediments here, and forms as a weathering product in surfaces and soils. Gypsum forms in the shales and mudstones every year during the dry months, as tiny crystals, but during the wet season it is dissolved and reprecipitates deeper in the soils. For it to be present as large crystals, there has to be an unusual set of conditions allowing it to continue to grow over many months time. Then it is necessary to collect the crystals before they are etched by rainwaters. Yes, some nice gypsum crystals were picked up at a few places in past decades, but it is doubtful that any occur in the area at present. I went to a sites where some large gypsum crystals had been collected in the 50's, but only a few dull pieces remain in the steep gully exposure. The 50's was a time of extended drought in this area and I expect the crystals formed under those unusual conditions. Gypsum and jarosite both occur as transitory minerals on shales during the summer months in this area, then are dissolved during the wet season. No gold in this area. T. Yancey >I do know that there are beautiful gypsum (or some other clear >colorless crystal) crystals found on the banks of the Brazos >River at low, low water levels somewhere near College Station >that are really really nice - a cousin gave me one after asking >me what it was... > > and also near College Station, there's a river crossing called >"Whiskey Bridge" because when the county where Texas A&M is >located was dry this bridge was the closest/only place to go >to get a drink. >Under this bridge is a good more-or-less public fossil >collecting site. Probably a College Station old-timer could >direct anyone to this locale. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 21 21:29:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:29:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LapidaryList] STATE GEMSTONES References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031020181542.02fcd8c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <3F95F954.3D14@Tomaszewski.net> You can find a fairly accurate and complete list at http://www.jewelrymall.com/stategems.html Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > At 05:49 PM 10/20/2003, you wrote: > > >Jim Perkins wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea of what I should use for that State. > > > Perhaps I should make a list of those not on my list. Would that help > > > you all help me? > > We did not receive (or haven't yet) Jim's original message, but yes, please > do post a list of the states that---to your knowledge---do not have an > official gem/mineral/stone/fossil. Actually, it would be interesting to > see a list of those that do! > > Aloha, Kitty > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 22 06:51:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Wed Oct 22 05:51:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanning Conversion In-Reply-To: <023501c397f3$d1035710$6601a8c0@moose> References: <3F95629B.1AE9DCB6@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: GraphicConverter will invert an image's colors; I have not tried it with a scanned negative because the scanner I use does the inversion itself, but I presume it's the same function. But it may not be - and GraphicConverter may not be available for Windows computers. How's that for qualified helpfulness?!!! Pete Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 22 20:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gold in Texas Message-ID: <102020031535.11653.708c@att.net> (This reply to the list is going to be delayed for approval becuz I'm not sending it from my home computer, so I'll cc it directly to Kevin of Paintricks@aol.com, who first asked about TX gold locations. I enjoyed reading the Austin news story linked from Dri-Anna's post. http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/auto/epaper/editions/sunday/metro_ state_f32973a4e5cf80f01030.html As part of my job with the USGS I help answer questions that come to us about many topics, including minerals and mineral resources (and rockhounding), so I like to keep a file of current information (on paper, on my computer, or in my head) about things people are likely to ask me about! In trying to think if I could offer any more suggestions about information on Texas gold, I will mention two. The Texas Bureau of Economic Geology has one general interest publication about Gold and Silver in Texas (36 p., $4.00), which you can see described or order from their web page, http://www.beg.utexas.edu/education/pubsforteach.htm although I suspect much that's described in the booklet may be "hard-rock" gold deposits, not necessarily sources of findable placer gold, but the two do go hand-in-hand. (And by the way, they also have nice booklets on Texas Rocks and Minerals, Texas Fossils, and Texas Gemstones). Also, a good person for you to contact, whom I've met at gem and mineral shows, would be Pat Napolitano (mineral sales business, Earthworks), of Round Rock, Texas (the same place mentioned in that newspaper story); Pat is a member of the gold prospecting group referred to in that story, and I'm sure he could give some advice. He's at pat@earthworks.net Hope this helps a bit more--good hunting. Sincerely, Pete Modreski, US Geological Survey, Denver CO pjmodreski@att.net, and pmodreski@usgs.gov From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 22 20:35:41 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:35:41 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] STATE GEMSTONES Message-ID: <102120031454.15184.5174@att.net> Dear Kitty & List, <<...but yes, please do post a list of the states that---to your knowledge--- do not have an official gem/mineral/stone/fossil.>> Here are three websites that list state rocks, minerals, gems, and fossils. "Mostly" the three lists are pretty much in agreement as they should be, though some slight differences sometimes pop up. Some states designate "stone" vs. "gemstone" or "gem", and some states' "stone" is a rock whereas others' is a gemstone, etc. http://www.geosymbols.org/geo/index.php http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/index.htm , http://www.intersurf.com/~heinrich/statefossil.html aloha to you too!, Pete Modreski [my message to the whole list will be delayed this time again, because I'm sending this from my "at the office" computer, pmodreski@usgs.gov] From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 22 20:35:44 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:35:44 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] meterite Message-ID: <126.32e21b51.2cc7095e@aol.com> Hello, I was hopping that you could help me get in-touch with someone who can tell me positively if what I have is a meteorite? Sorry this is such a weird E-mail, but I felt like I needed to start somewhere and I picked you. Thanks for any time you can give Cathy --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 22 20:35:47 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Max Rosequist) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:35:47 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] polishing nephrite Message-ID: On article August 2002 web Buff and Polishing Compound Combinations missi= ng what is D and H. We are trying to come up with a polish that polishes nephrite jade. If yo= u could let me know as soon as possible it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your knowledge time and effort. Troy Rosequist --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 22 20:35:49 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tonya Barker) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:35:49 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: equipment for sale in Richardson Message-ID: <000801c398d2$2f01b120$a7b328d8@server> Hello, I might be interested in purchasing the lapidary equipment from the = gentleman in Richardson, if he still has it. Does he have an email = address? Please respont to Tonya @ superiordreamin@earthlink .net Thank You --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 05:35:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?bWFnbmV0?=) Date: Thu Oct 23 04:35:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?iso-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtSb2NraG91bmRzXSBBdXN0cmFsaWEgMjAwMyAobG9uZyAtIGRlbGV0ZSBpZiBub3QgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCk=?= Message-ID: <20031023113508.25258.qmail@webmachine101.com> SGkgUmlrDQoNCk5leHQgdGltZSwgeW91IG5lZWQgdG8gcHV0IHNvbWUgdGltZSBhc2lkZSBmb3Ig VGFzbWFuaWEgLSBzaG9ydGVyIGRpc3RhbmNlcywgY29vbGVyIHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlcywgbm8gZmxp ZXMgYW5kIGdvb2QgY29sbGVjdGluZyBzcG90cy4gDQoNCkJ5IHRoZSB3YXksIHRoZSBmbGllcyB1 cCBub3J0aCBhcmUgdHJhaW5lZCB0byBmbHkgaW50byB5b3VyIGVhcnMgYW5kIGNvbWUgb3V0IG9m IHlvdXIgbm9zZSENCg0KUmVnYXJkcw0KU3RldmUNCg0KCg== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 08:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Oct 23 07:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool map/image site In-Reply-To: <3F95F954.3D14@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001c01c39974$e93a8b50$6601a8c0@moose> I just found out about a neat site.... It would be GREAT for our collecting info., trip reports, etc etc. And people say that Microsoft is the "evil empire". http://wwmx.org (Yup.. No "www" in there, me lads!) Small download of a local app, and then you can load YOUR pictures up to the site. GcB http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of "MasMils/PLUS" mine disk. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 08:50:19 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Oct 23 07:50:19 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool map/image site In-Reply-To: <3F95F954.3D14@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001d01c39974$ec520480$6601a8c0@moose> I just found out about a neat site.... It would be GREAT for our collecting info., trip reports, etc etc. And people say that Microsoft is the "evil empire". http://wwmx.org (Yup.. No "www" in there, me lads!) Small download of a local app, and then you can load YOUR pictures up to the site. GcB http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of "MasMils/PLUS" mine disk. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 09:48:07 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Demeulemeester, Pierre) Date: Thu Oct 23 08:48:07 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral calendar Message-ID: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A551313001457A00@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> For a beautifull calender with fine pictures of minerals or view of the nature and the mountains of the Italian Dolomite go to : http://www.athesia.com/shopping/show_kalender.asp?SID=7080887278192819418&Ka lender=mineralien Pierre Demeulemeester Brussels (Belgium) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the addressee or an authorized recipient of this message, any distribution, copying, publication or use of this information for any purpose is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and then delete this message. Ce message est confidentiel. 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Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 14:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Oct 23 13:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] polishing nephrite References: Message-ID: <001e01c399a1$2fa78d00$de4127c4@horstspc> Hi all, This is just an aside to the polishing of nephrite jade. In 1967 I travelled to Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), the first time as a rockhound (I had been there before in 1954). In Selukwe (now Chirugwe) there was a chrome mine and as a "by-product" they were finding nephrite jade (which they were selling to any rockhounds passing by for funds for their Social Club on the mine). There I met Henry Fotheringham, who was an expert on polishing this material. I cannot recollect what polishing powder he used, but he said you had to use a buffalo leather buff - an "African" buffalo, not an "Indian" bufallo (coming from India). He presented me with a ten inch square piece of African buffalo leather (which I never got to use, as I gave up polishing cabs in 1973 due to lower back problems). Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Rosequist" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] polishing nephrite On article August 2002 web Buff and Polishing Compound Combinations missing what is D and H. We are trying to come up with a polish that polishes nephrite jade. If you could let me know as soon as possible it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your knowledge time and effort. Troy Rosequist --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 14:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Oct 23 13:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] meterite Message-ID: Where are you? There is a teacher here in Portland at Portland State that does that kind of stuff. Dawn Fredricks >From: ZACATAVEY@aol.com >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] meterite >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:12:46 EDT > >Hello, > I was hopping that you could help me get in-touch with someone who can >tell >me positively if what I have is a meteorite? >Sorry this is such a weird E-mail, but I felt like I needed to start >somewhere and I picked you. >Thanks for any time you can give >Cathy > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 15:03:22 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 23 14:03:22 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Message-ID: Liz, Mica which was taken to Ohio was mined in the area near Burnsville and Spruce Pine, North Carolina (western part of the state). Area is known for gemstone mines. I have an article I could send you about the mining if you are interested. Anne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 15:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 23 14:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica Message-ID: <172.2121b286.2cc99d1d@aol.com> Much of the mica used by the Ohio moundbuilders came from the Burnsville, North Carolina area. The Sinkhole Mine was one of those used and had an interesting system of hand dug shafts. I suppose several of the mica quarries in the Spruce Pine area may also have been sources. AW --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 23 18:44:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Oct 23 17:44:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Rockhounds] Australia 2003 (long - delete if not interested) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031023083724.02652d40@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002f01c399c6$b75ff780$c5315841@powertech.net> Especially the Queensland flies! Margaret >By the way, the flies up north are trained to fly into your ears and come >out of your nose! > >Regards >Steve > > > That would work if you are a real air-head! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 24 14:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Oct 24 13:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Micro material Message-ID: <002101c39a5a$461ac700$505204d0@jim> I've updated my website with another list of worldwide specimens, two = new installments of the Keweenaw field trip (Central and Cliff mines) = and specimens from those two mines. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 24 18:28:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Fri Oct 24 17:28:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica References: Message-ID: <3F99C3C9.D2C42479@utoronto.ca> Rewhittemo@aol.com wrote: > Liz, > > Mica which was taken to Ohio was mined in the area near Burnsville and > Spruce Pine, North Carolina (western part of the state). Area is known for > gemstone mines. I have an article I could send you about the mining if you are > interested. > > Anne > 'Evening Anne, Indeed I would be very interested in the article... Summary of what I have found online to date for any list member interested: Dan Long tracked down and sent the following url: http://www.peabody.harvard.edu/conservation/mica.html A good image of a serpent cutout can also be found at: http://daphne.palomar.edu/ddozier/course_notes/regions/woodland_files/mica.htm (Since the objects were cutouts I can't help wondering if templates were used to manufacture them.) A description of the "mica mound" is included in the following online article. http://www.nps.gov/hocu/html/beneathmounds/page1.html Both Tennessee and North Carolina are mentioned as the location of mica mining. Other articles simply say southern Appalachians. North Carolina: http://rla.unc.edu/lessons/Lesson/L303/L303.htm Pendants of mica are mentioned in the following article on pre-classic Mesoamerican culture: http://www.doaks.org/Social/social06.pdf These predate the Hopewell artifacts. "Mirrors" made of mica were ubiquitous in Mesoamerican cultures. Artifact made out of mica, identified as a representation of a Stingray spine, is mentioned from Caracol, Belize in: http://www.caracol.org/2002report.htm Some sites on the Adena and Hopewell cultures. http://www.cabrillo.cc.ca.us/~crsmith/noamer_soeast.html http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/abstracts/IHS/4ph.html Liz liz.fodi@utoronto.ca From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 24 22:17:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Fri Oct 24 21:17:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] polishing nephrite References: Message-ID: <3F9A077D.50305@plateautel.net> Hi Max; Nephrite jade is tricky due to it's laminar or fibrous habit. I discovered that burnishing or heating the surface prior to the final polish assures a nice shiny finish. The final polish is accomplished with a paste made of sapphire polish ( Linde B) and water . The paste is applied lightly to a damp leather wheel then the stone is pressed against the leather until it is almost dry. This of course causes a considerable amount of heat and further burnishes the jade's surface. Stones dopped with wax will come loose so be sure to secure stone to dop stick with a removable glue. This procedure works well with my discovery, Chatoyant Nephrite "Ghost Jade" with it's large fibers or Actinolte and Tremolite. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me. Wayne Holland Max Rosequist wrote: >On article August 2002 web Buff and Polishing Compound Combinations missing what is D and H. >We are trying to come up with a polish that polishes nephrite jade. If you could let me know as soon as possible it would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you for your knowledge time and effort. >Troy Rosequist > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 25 12:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Sat Oct 25 11:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] New AZ Rock Collector's Yahoo Group Message-ID: <002601c39b28$6445a9b0$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> Hi All, This forwarded message announces the start of a new Yahoo group focused = on Arizona rock collecting. It is intended to be an Arizona adaptation = of the LA Rocks list, an esteemed and valuable source of information for = Southern Californians (and us lurkers). To subscribe, go to the group = home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cu_n_az/ The cu_n_az is taken from a fun license plate (for the front of a = rockhound's vehicle). Rockhounds will immediately realize that this is = not a friendly greeting, but a statement of Arizona mineral enthusiasts' = pride. (Cu =3D copper.) Sorry for the multiple listings for those subscribing to more than one = group. John McLaughlin Hello, I've just started a Yahoo group to list Arizona happenings related to = rockhounding / mineral collecting. It is called cu_n_az. It is a work = in process, but is intended as a venue for all Arizona clubs, club = members (and independent, unaffiliated hounds) to post items for sale, = club happenings, field trip invites and reports, show information etc.=20 All messages will be moderated for language and content. I've long = admired how the Southern California groups keep in touch and up-to-date = with their Yahoo group, LA_Rocks. Thought Arizona could benefit from = something similar. Check it out and let me know of any suggestions you may have on how to = improve the group. =20 Thanks, Deanna Smith Mineralogical Society of Arizona Phoenix --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Oct 25 22:27:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Oct 25 21:27:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockshops in certain cities Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031025183617.029d9c80@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, Bill is going on a whirlwind trip to view planetaria in several US cites (there is going to be a planetarium built here in Hilo and he's on the team to select the manufacturer), and he will have a little time to check out rock/mineral shops in the following places: Washington DC (he's pretty sure there are none there), Baton Rouge/New Orleans, Salt Lake City, and Oakland. I'm too busy right now to search the Internet, so do any of you have suggestions? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 26 05:36:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sun Oct 26 05:36:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockshops in certain cities In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031025183617.029d9c80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <455FB894-07B9-11D8-A104-000A27A8D0F0@his.com> dear kitty, true, we don't have a "real" rock shop in Washington, DC, but there are a couple of places that sell minerals. The Smithsonian has a mineral store on the 2nd floor of Natural History and there is a mystic crystal style shop in georgetown. if bill will be here next weekend - Nov. 1-2, the Northern Virginia Mineral Club is having their annual show at George Mason University in Fairfax. cathy On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 12:45 AM, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi List, > > Bill is going on a whirlwind trip to view planetaria in several US > cites (there is going to be a planetarium built here in Hilo and he's > on the team to select the manufacturer), and he will have a little > time to check out rock/mineral shops in the following places: > Washington DC (he's pretty sure there are none there), Baton Rouge/New > Orleans, Salt Lake City, and Oakland. > > I'm too busy right now to search the Internet, so do any of you have > suggestions? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Oct 26 05:42:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rich Allen) Date: Sun Oct 26 05:42:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockshops in certain cities In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031025183617.029d9c80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <2003102664125.484462@laptop> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:45:35 -1000, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi List, > > > Bill is going on a whirlwind trip to view planetaria in several US > cites (there is going to be a planetarium built here in Hilo and > he's on the team to select the manufacturer), and he will have a > little time to check out rock/mineral shops in the following > places:  Washington DC (he's pretty sure there are none there), > Baton Rouge/New Orleans,  Salt Lake City, and Oakland. In Salt Lake City, the best bet is probably the Rockpick Legend Co. http://www.rocks4u.com/ 1955 North Redwood Road Salt Lake City, Utah 84116 (801) 355-7952 Located just a few miles from the new planetarium (which is an incredible planetarium, by the way). The only other rock shop I'm aware of is in Ogden, about 30 miles north of SLC. Rich Allen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 27 08:23:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 08:23:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] meterite Message-ID: <102320031925.14117.6f3a@att.net> Dear Cathy, > I was hopping that you could help me get in-touch with someone who can tell me positively if what I have is a meteorite? Here are the addresses of a number of institutions that might be able to do this for you. There are also quite a number of meteorite dealers who would do the same (you can find names & addresses on the web), and would probably offer to buy your specimen if it turned out to be a real meteorite (which of course, most do not). Several of these web pages I've listed below have good descriptions of what to look for if "you think you have a meteorite". Sincerely, Pete Modreski (Rockhounds list & U.S. Geological Survey) Institutions to contact with reports of meteor falls or to verify a suspected meteorite American Meteor Society, http://www.amsmeteors.org University of New Mexico, Dept. of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Institute of Meteoritics Albuquerque, NM http://epswww.unm.edu/ c/o Dr. Rhian Jones, rjones@unm.edu Arizona State University, Department of Geological Sciences, Tempe AZ Center for Meteorite Studies c/o Dr. Carleton B. Moore cmoore@asu.edu http://meteorites.asu.edu/ http://www-glg.la.asu.edu/research/meteorites/meteorites.html University of Arizona, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory 1629 E. University Blvd., Tucson, AZ, 85721 Dr. David A. Kring, 520-621-2024, kring@lpl.arizona.edu http://meteorites.lpl.arizona.edu/ Denver Museum of Nature and Science Department of Earth & Space Sciences c/o Jack Murphy, Curator of Geology 303-370-6445, jmurphy@dmns.org From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 27 08:23:54 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (KC Gemdude) Date: Mon Oct 27 08:23:54 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding Montana Message-ID: <000801c39a6b$77852ae0$8621ab0c@g4m5b8> John, I am planning a trip for next year to Montana. Do you have any sites that you would share? I am looking for the famed = Montana Sapphires. Are there any public areas such as forests, state,county, city lands = where persons can look? I am somewhat handicapped (broken back 8 years ago) and I can only do = limited walking\easy climbing. Do you know of anywhere that a person can drive to (4wh drive okay), = camp and enjoy collecting? Just got back from Murphfreesboro Arkansas (Crater of Diamonds State = Park) and want to plan similar trip for Montana. Hate to go though, if = once I get there, there is nowhere to play. Thanks Phil kcgemdude@planetkc.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 27 09:18:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 09:18:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stamford, Connecticut Mineral Show Message-ID: <1d4.1336ab97.2cceab5c@aol.com> There is a great mineral show next weekend if you live near southern Connecticut: Stamford Gem & Mineral Show November 1-2, 10 A.M. to 5 P.M. at the Ripowam High School, Stamford, CT. Take the Merritt Parkway to Exit 35 (High Ridge Road), go south 1.8 miles to the high school on the left - 381 High Ridge Road. Park in the rear. If you make it to the show, please stop by my booth to say hi. John Betts www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Oct 27 09:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 09:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester, NY Gem/Mineral/Fossil/Bead Show Message-ID: <73A2FF80.1531A6A1.00180FED@aol.com> All: This weekend is the Rochester, NY Gem/Mineral/Fossil/Bead show in Minnet Hall by the Dome/Monroe County Fairground, Calkins Road, Henrietta, NY. We have a wide variety of about 25 dealers coming covering a broad range such as stone carving, faceted stones and other high quality jewelry, fossils, minerals and beads. There should be a good selection of dealers to cover just about anyone's tastes. We will have childern's activities and demonstrations various times throughout the weekend as well as displays and the well known soapstone carver Sandy Cline. Show hours are 10-6 Saturday, Nov 1st and 10-5 Sunday, Nov 2nd. Please make sure you enter the building in the back of the Dome at Minnet Hall. There is an antique show in the Dome itself where many of our older dealers and members will be for sale. The promoters of the antique show may not be kind about refunding the admission price to their show when you discover you've gone to the wrong door. For further details, please go to www.rochesterlapidary.org or e-mail me with your questions. Thanks, Dan lapidry@aol.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 10:57:12 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Tue Oct 28 10:57:12 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester, NY Gem/Mineral/Fossil/Bead Show References: <73A2FF80.1531A6A1.00180FED@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F9EB9CD.136A@rcn.com> SORRIE COULE NOT RESIST OLDER MEMBERS FOR SALE???? __..--..--.._ Lapidry@Aol.com wrote: > > All: > > This weekend is the Rochester, NY Gem/Mineral/Fossil/Bead show in Minnet Hall by the Dome/Monroe County Fairground, Calkins Road, Henrietta, NY. We have a wide variety of about 25 dealers coming covering a broad range such as stone carving, faceted stones and other high quality jewelry, fossils, minerals and beads. There should be a good selection of dealers to cover just about anyone's tastes. We will have childern's activities and demonstrations various times throughout the weekend as well as > > Please make sure you enter the building in the back of the Dome at Minnet Hall. There is an antique show in the Dome itself where many of our older dealers and members will be for sale. The promoters of the antique show may not be kind about refunding the admission price to their show when you discover you've gone to the wrong door. > > For further details, please go to www.rochesterlapidary.org or e-mail me with your questions. > > Thanks, > > Dan > lapidry@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 12:33:43 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Clint Perry) Date: Tue Oct 28 12:33:43 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockshops in certain cities In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031025183617.029d9c80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <20031028195711.7791.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> When in Okland, there is a nice shop about 45 miles out on Highway 80, just the far side of Vacaville CA Good Luck, CSP --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi List, > > Bill is going on a whirlwind trip to view planetaria > in several US cites > (there is going to be a planetarium built here in > Hilo and he's on the team > to select the manufacturer), and he will have a > little time to check out > rock/mineral shops in the following places: > Washington DC (he's pretty > sure there are none there), Baton Rouge/New Orleans, > Salt Lake City, and > Oakland. > > I'm too busy right now to search the Internet, so do > any of you have > suggestions? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release > Date: 10/16/2003 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 13:40:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 28 13:40:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester, NY Gem/Mineral/Fossil/Bead Show Message-ID: In a message dated 10/28/03 10:58:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, folmstead@rcn.com writes: There is an antique show in the Dome itself where many of our older dealers and members will be for sale. Hum, I always suspected that some of the dealers could be bought. Some of them will say anything to make a sale, like "Sleep with this crystal and in the morning the amount of heat in it will show you how well your chaka is choogling." I never realized it was the older dealers doing that. In fact, I always thought it was the younger ones --- (but at my age almost every one is younger than me.) Grant W. Johnston, Chico, CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 13:42:06 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Tue Oct 28 13:42:06 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockshops in certain cities References: <20031028195711.7791.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c39d98$8a97cd60$3a05efd1@oemcomputer> I don't know if he's looking to visit museums, but I would strongly suggest building a few extra days into the schedule to check out the Smithsonian. Something everybody should do once in their lifetime... Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Perry" To: Sent: October 28, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rockshops in certain cities > When in Okland, there is a nice shop about 45 miles > out on Highway 80, just the far side of Vacaville CA > > Good Luck, > > CSP > --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > Bill is going on a whirlwind trip to view planetaria > > in several US cites > > (there is going to be a planetarium built here in > > Hilo and he's on the team > > to select the manufacturer), and he will have a > > little time to check out > > rock/mineral shops in the following places: > > Washington DC (he's pretty > > sure there are none there), Baton Rouge/New Orleans, > > Salt Lake City, and > > Oakland. > > > > I'm too busy right now to search the Internet, so do > > any of you have > > suggestions? > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release > > Date: 10/16/2003 > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/mixed > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 15:10:04 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ydain) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:10:04 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Larry Rush address References: Message-ID: <001201c39da6$053f6ac0$0c2824d5@Bureau> Hi all ! Is someone have Larry Rush mail address ? the one I have do not work (LarryRush@ATT.NET) Regards From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 19:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. Campbell) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] GSA Message-ID: <20031029034901.42620.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all. As the big day draws closer, I was just wondering who all here would be attending the GSA conference in Seattle next week. Rumor has it that this year's conference is the largest to date. Jessica. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 19:59:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:59:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] GSA In-Reply-To: <20031029034901.42620.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. I head up Friday to start out our postal pistol league. Looking forward to Sunday's K-16 education workshop! Should be a good time for all. Aaron > > As the big day draws closer, I was just wondering who all here would be > attending the GSA conference in Seattle next week. Rumor has it that > this year's conference is the largest to date. > > Jessica. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Oct 28 20:11:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Oct 28 20:11:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rochester, NY Gem/Mineral/Fossil/Bead Show Message-ID: <1c0.10dce0c2.2cd097b4@aol.com> In a message dated 10/28/2003 1:58:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, folmstead@rcn.com writes: SORRIE COULE NOT RESIST OLDER MEMBERS FOR SALE???? Glad to see people are reading the posting. Hopefully you all can come to the show. It really should be a good show, we have several great dealers. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 03:38:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (ItalianMinerals) Date: Wed Oct 29 03:38:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pezzottaite Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031029123453.0258ae30@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, a new rare beryl has been found among the pegmatites in Madagascar and it has been called Pezzottaite to celebrate the italian mineralogist and professor Pezzotta. I have some of this rare beryl available in nice and well defined crystals on matrix. If interested you can contact me offlist. Regards, Alessandro www.italianminerals.com ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals ===================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 06:33:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Oct 29 06:33:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pezzottaite Message-ID: <84.1b90a7e5.2cd1294d@aol.com> In a message dated 10/29/2003 6:38:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, italianminerals@libero.it writes: > a new rare beryl has been found among the pegmatites in Madagascar > and it has been called Pezzottaite to celebrate the italian mineralogist > and professor Pezzotta. I have some of this rare beryl available in nice > and well defined crystals on matrix. Is it a beryl??? Like Aquamarine, Morganite, Heliodor (varieties). Or is it a new mineral species? John Betts http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 07:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Wed Oct 29 07:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pezzottaite References: <84.1b90a7e5.2cd1294d@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c39e33$f040b8c0$0605efd1@oemcomputer> New species, recently IMA approved. Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: October 29, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Pezzottaite > In a message dated 10/29/2003 6:38:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, > italianminerals@libero.it writes: > > > > a new rare beryl has been found among the pegmatites in Madagascar > > and it has been called Pezzottaite to celebrate the italian mineralogist > > and professor Pezzotta. I have some of this rare beryl available in nice > > and well defined crystals on matrix. > > Is it a beryl??? Like Aquamarine, Morganite, Heliodor (varieties). > Or is it a new mineral species? > > John Betts > http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 08:12:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Faceter01) Date: Wed Oct 29 08:12:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pezzottaite Message-ID: Hi John, Tim, If you go to the following sites, there is a write up and some = pictures of the mineral. Ron http://www.trinityminerals.com/tucson2003/day2.shtml or http://www.keysminerals.com/den03pezz.html > > a new rare beryl has been found among the pegmatites in Madagascar > > and it has been called Pezzottaite to celebrate the italian = mineralogist > > and professor Pezzotta. I have some of this rare beryl available in = nice > > and well defined crystals on matrix. > > Is it a beryl??? Like Aquamarine, Morganite, Heliodor (varieties). > Or is it a new mineral species? > > John Betts >New species, recently IMA approved. Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 08:47:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Oct 29 08:47:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] GSA In-Reply-To: <20031029034901.42620.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031029034901.42620.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F9FEECC.8030102@tenforward.com> Hi Jessica, Aaron, I'll be there too. Then it's back home for more cleaning! Busy times. I'm doing the Seattle Regional Gem and Mineral Show at the Puyallup Fairgrounds. I set up tomorrow and then that show runs Friday - Sunday. And then, I'll show for Monday -Wednesday at the GSA to work the booth of Ikon Mining. Stop by and say hello! All the best, John John J. Campbell wrote: >Hi all. > >As the big day draws closer, I was just wondering who all here would be >attending the GSA conference in Seattle next week. Rumor has it that >this year's conference is the largest to date. > >Jessica. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears >http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 09:50:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Wed Oct 29 09:50:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle Region Message-ID: <007801c39e45$e275aa40$047a0543@uswest.net> Can someone post dates and locations of upcoming shows in the Seattle = area. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 11:06:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Clint Perry) Date: Wed Oct 29 11:06:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intro and info request Message-ID: <20031029190525.96795.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I've been lurking here for a while but never really said anything. I like the group and what I have seen so far. As introduction, my wife Kathy and I (Clint) have been seriously rockhounding for about a year, have joined Roseville Rock Rollers (Roseville California is just outside Sacramento) and have been on several field trips with them. All enjoyable. We have collected Sunstones outside Lakeview OR, Petrified Wood and Pyrite outside Yerington, NV, Jasper, Agate, and Wonderstone outside Fallon, NV, and Picturestone outside McDermitt, NV. I am interested in any information about locations of garnets in Northern or Central California or Western Nevada. ANy help would be appreciated. Clint and Kathy Perry Orangevale, CA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 12:01:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Oct 29 12:01:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle Region In-Reply-To: <007801c39e45$e275aa40$047a0543@uswest.net> References: <007801c39e45$e275aa40$047a0543@uswest.net> Message-ID: <3FA01C70.1050608@tenforward.com> Hi Danny, Check out the Washington State Mineral Council site at... http://www.mineralcouncil.org/ All the best, John DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD wrote: >Can someone post dates and locations of upcoming shows in the Seattle area. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 14:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ydain) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] For Larry Rush References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031029123453.0258ae30@popmail.libero.it> Message-ID: <003601c39e6e$93dc37e0$467c24d5@Bureau> This new address do not work too !!! please send me you address i'll send you some good specimens in exchange of severals specimens of quartz (also interested in wavellites, fluorites, barytes and calcites specimens) what I can offer to you : Golden baryte - Chatel Guyon - France - 8 x 3,5 cm Pyromorphite - Asprieres - France - 7 x 3,5 cm Quartz - Saint Jean de Mauriene (Aples) - France - 7,5 x 4,5 cm Faden Quartz ("quartz peigne") - Bourg d'Oisan (Alpes) - France - 3 cm xl "Diamond" calcite - Pau - France - 9 x 7 cm Golden baryte - Saint Georges les Bains - France - 6 x 3,5 cm Calcite ball on basalte matrix - Cantal - France - 7,5 x 5 cm Baryte - Peyrbrunes (old french mine) - France - 6 x 3,5 cm One smoky quartz on white matrix - Italy - 4,5 x 3 cm Calcite - Norway - 5 x 4 cm Aragonite xx on matrix - Spain - 8 x 5 cm with one 2 cm xl on it ! regards From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 14:52:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:52:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale Message-ID: I have two copies. New $5 plus postage. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 15:22:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Wed Oct 29 15:22:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale References: Message-ID: <000401c39e73$4f95c970$6400a8c0@ManyFacetsXP> For some reason these don't seem to sell very well, do they? I bought two copies when it first came out, and still have them (I'm in Albany, NY). I've sold more Arizona and New Mexico books. Too bad; I've met the author and he's a pretty decent guy. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STOCKWELL" To: "rock hounds" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale > I have two copies. New $5 plus postage. > > John > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 16:54:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Messenger) Date: Wed Oct 29 16:54:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle Region Message-ID: <040096001FE72E409D695C2D27A6A1C9DC1E@FILEFISH.nwifc.wa.gov> The Washington State Mineral Council has a good list of shows on their web site. The address is http://mineralcouncil.org/ Michael Messenger mmessenger@nwifc.org -----Original Message----- From: DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD [mailto:posterdoctor@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:56 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Seattle Region Can someone post dates and locations of upcoming shows in the Seattle area. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Oct 29 20:16:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:16:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Larry Rush address References: <001201c39da6$053f6ac0$0c2824d5@Bureau> Message-ID: <002701c39e9b$63e55800$b9305841@powertech.net> Margaret kadok@infowest.com, in Utah's colorful Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ydain" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Larry Rush address > Hi all ! > > Is someone have Larry Rush mail address ? > > the one I have do not work (LarryRush@ATT.NET) > > Regards You're missing a bit. LarryRush@worldnet.att.net > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 30 06:01:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Thu Oct 30 06:01:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would be interested in a copy. Please e-mail me with details. Henry Barwood hbarwood@troyst.edu -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STOCKWELL Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:48 PM To: rock hounds Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale I have two copies. New $5 plus postage. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 30 08:58:59 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Oct 30 08:58:59 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Email Address Request Message-ID: <3FA14404.9010502@dal.ca> Hi All, I am looking for the email address of a Robert and Susan McNeil from St. Catherines, Ontario, Canada. If any of the list members can supply me with their email offline, it would be much appreciated. Happy Collecting, Ronnie Van Dommelen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 30 12:56:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Thu Oct 30 12:56:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale References: Message-ID: Henry, I meant I have one copy to sell, because I have two. I've had a number = of other inquiries and am offering it first to the first I received, but = will get back in touch with you if the buyer doesn't come through. = Thanks. John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Henry Barwood=20 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale I would be interested in a copy. Please e-mail me with details. Henry Barwood hbarwood@troyst.edu -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STOCKWELL Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:48 PM To: rock hounds Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale I have two copies. New $5 plus postage. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 30 16:52:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Thu Oct 30 16:52:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Fwd: Fw: Mineral Theft] Message-ID: <3FA1B2B7.FEEB59C@att.net> I just received this and said I would pass it along. > Gene Rydall, past president of the Gem & Mineral Society of Syracuse had > his home burgled over this past weekend and lost most of his inventory of > minerals. He trades under the name "Gem Hunter Minerals". > > As you attend shows this weekend and in the near future, be on the lookout > for any individual attempting to sell minerals with the "Gem Hunter > Minerals" label or someone who is not a dealer at the show you're attending > trying to sell. > > If you should encounter such a situation, please notify the local police > immediately. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Oct 30 23:13:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Oct 30 23:13:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Fwd: Fw: Mineral Theft] Message-ID: Perhaps He should Check e Bay for any minerals that look familiar... I think you can do a constant search request on e bay and when a specific mineral name comes up, e bay will notify him and he can take a look see and go from there. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 31 02:42:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Oct 31 02:42:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock theft Message-ID: <003f01c39f9b$8d284640$709f77d5@axel> Hi all, Yesterday, after more than 15 months, the curtain fell for Thad Ryan = Roberts, the mastermind behind the theft of the Apollo moon rock samples = and Mars meteorites. He got 8 years and 4 months of jail-time. Cool??? = COOL !!! There's a good article about the trial in the Orlando Sentinel = http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asecmoonrocks3010300= 3oct30,0,1501752.story or go to their home page: http://www.orlandosentinel.com=20 The only "loose end" left is the appeal of Gordon McWhorter who still = claims he's innocent... Axel Axel Emmermann Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 MORTSEL 03 295.35.54 Website: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm=20 Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen: Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Website Nederl. : http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html Engels : http://www.minerant.org/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 31 05:33:21 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Fri Oct 31 05:33:21 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi John, OK, keep me on the list. Thanks. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STOCKWELL Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:55 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale Henry, I meant I have one copy to sell, because I have two. I've had a number of other inquiries and am offering it first to the first I received, but will get back in touch with you if the buyer doesn't come through. Thanks. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Barwood To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale I would be interested in a copy. Please e-mail me with details. Henry Barwood hbarwood@troyst.edu -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STOCKWELL Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:48 PM To: rock hounds Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem Trails Pa & NJ for Sale I have two copies. New $5 plus postage. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 31 05:59:00 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Fri Oct 31 05:59:00 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hamlin, Indians, etc. References: <102120031522.1089.3c29@att.net> Message-ID: <003501c39fb6$dc893670$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Just paid a visit to the US Bureau of Indian Affairs website. http://www.doi.gov/bureau-indian-affairs.html It seems that "purists" will always endeavor to advance new terminology over old. I wonder what the next term will be and how soon they'll tire of aborigine or "First Nations member"? The successive use of new names is certainly not useful. Early mineralogy suffered from that problem well into the twentieth century. If the object is to remove hateful connotations, the word change doesn't and won't affect that kind of thinking and if anything calls attention to itself. Look at the flat about varietal names promoted by a few. Varietal mineral names can be valuable communication words. They can also be confusing. Selenite and alabaster are useful varietal names, but not all gypsum crystals are selenite, despite what you see at mineral shows. When I went to school, our football team was the Skowhegan Indians. Still is as far as I know. We always thought it a proud and commemorative association. Now a few people think the commemoration is pejorative. The increasing clamor is seemingly instructing our children that the commemoration is shameful and needs to be blotted out. The unintended result is that the process of changing names has resulted in making people feel that Indians should not be commemorated under any circumstances. The process is changing pride into hate. The extremes of behavior - "The Tomahawk chop" used by the southern football team clearly had no place to begin with but were invented in less enlightened times. Perhaps some wisdom can be used in ridding ourselves of real hateful behavior rather than penalizing all for the thoughts of a few? Historically, Indians in central Maine were actively using minerals and rocks for utensils, decoration, large tools, and weapons, both for hunting and for defense/aggression. The tourmaline miner at Mount Mica and medical doctor who invented the M.A.S.H. unit, Augustus Hamlin, was also interested in archaeology and wrote papers on "The Red Paint People", a culture that his is credited with having discovered, or at least was the earliest scientific writer on the subject. The funeral practices included enclosing the body in a thin layer of red ochre. The archaeologists now call them the Maritime Archaic Culture. (Wonder what they'll be called in the future? The original name lasted about 100 years, the new name is about 50 years old. Clock is ticking.) Red ochre is very rare in Maine and most likely the MACs (not to be confused with the Micmacs of New Brunswick) easily could have made red ochre by firing clay in an oxidizing atmosphere. Southern Maine archaeological sites also contain some mica among various interred articles. The local pegmatites were abundantly exposed on the surface and mica was relatively easy to find in outcrops. Hamlin was also an avid salmon fisherman and was the first to describe what is now called "togue" - A hybrid of a salmon and a trout. Hamlin is most famous for writing Civil War history books, the last was published 2 years after his death - "Who silenced the guns at Cedar Creek?". He also published gem related items, two of which were histories of his mining at Mount Mica - The Tourmaline (1873) and The History of Mt. Mica (1895). He also wrote a travelogue of museum gem collections he had visited on a European Tour - Leisure Hours Among the Gems (1884). The last book was well researched with much summarization of popular gem lore to make the book seem more of a reference work than a travelogue. Hamlin also wrote on diamond cutting, the supposed Phoenician glyphs on an island in the Gulf of Maine, etc. Hamlin was also mayor of Bangor and Maine Surgeon General. If anyone knows a Hamlin family descendant, please let me know as I'm working on a biography of Elijah (his father) and Augustus. Augustus had three children, but none produced an extension of the line and the last direct descendant died in 1934. Hamlin's private gem collection was given away to a bridal party as favors at a wedding in 1950 in the Boston area. The favors included the largest cut hiddenite (14 cts, I believe), a huge Honduran opal, and several other famous gems. Be sure to check the garage sales! One gem fell to the bottom of a Maine lake in the 1880's +/- when Mrs. Hamlin leaned over the side of the boat while accompanying her husband on a fishing trip. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mica > > Having been involved in U.S. archaeology and met some native peoples and also > having done some reading on the subject, you will find varying preferences: > some don't mind "native American," but the purists prefer "First Nations" or > "aboriginals" or "indigenous peoples", or their native name. ... > Semantics are to blame for many of the divisions of society, I think. No > matter who you are or where you are from, there is some terminology to > separate "us" and "them." But one thing is for sure: according to all > evidence, every civilization throughout time has collected or used rocks and > minerals!!! > > Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 31 08:48:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jb) Date: Fri Oct 31 08:48:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hamlin etc. Message-ID: <3FA29203.2080908@hal-pc.org> Hannibal Hamlin ran as vice president with Lincoln in 1860. Is he related to the Maine Hamlins? Re: Selenite see the note "Selenite. Die, You Accursed Term!" in the Nov/Dec 2003 _Ricks & Minerals._ The title alone speaks volumes. Historical revisionism will always be with us. I guess the best antidote is to speak always as we have been taught, and encourage others to read the old texts and original sources. /Ignoratus vademecum meum est. /john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Oct 31 20:10:01 2003 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Oct 31 20:10:01 2003 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moonrock theft References: <003f01c39f9b$8d284640$709f77d5@axel> Message-ID: <3FA331E1.2C32@Tomaszewski.net> ! Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hi all, > > Yesterday, after more than 15 months, the curtain fell for Thad Ryan Roberts, the mastermind behind the theft of the Apollo moon rock samples and Mars meteorites. He got 8 years and 4 months of jail-time. Cool??? COOL !!! > > There's a good article about the trial in the Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asecmoonrocks30103003oct30,0,1501752.story > > or go to their home page: http://www.orlandosentinel.com > > The only "loose end" left is the appeal of Gordon McWhorter who still claims he's innocent... > > Axel > > Axel Emmermann > Lobbesplein 12 > B-2640 MORTSEL > 03 295.35.54 > Website: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm > > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen > Werkgroepen: Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties > Website Nederl. : http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html > Engels : http://www.minerant.org/index.html