From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 07:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 07:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon Message-ID: <27.549c175e.2d9d8fcb@aol.com> APRIL FOOL !!! Just wanted to start the month off with a Ha! Ha! T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 07:36:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 07:36:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] river of life... Message-ID: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Dear Kitty, Thanks for the reply & titling the post. I'll bet that was indeed Edwin Skidmore whom I'm thinking of; we'll see if anyone else answers about it. As I think I've told you, I was born & grew up in New Jersey, and the first rock club I belonged to was the (long title) Mineralogical and Lapidary Society of the Raritan Valley, which met in Bridgewater, NJ, near the Watchung Mountains and not that far away from where I believe Skidmore lived; I'll be he was a member. I joined that club once I could drive and had a car, which I guess was when I was a senior in high school, that would have been 1964, and I went to college in that area too (Rutgers, in New Brunswick), so I continued to belong to the club. I went on some of my first mineral field trips with that club, to some really good and memorable places--French Creek (St. Peters) PA, Cornog PA (the traprock quarry, famous(?) for its blue quartz, I know I also collected some pretty nice prisms of pale brown clinozoisite in quartz there, and I think we went on a field trip once to the Cornwall iron mine (open pit) in Pennsylvania too, thought that might have been on a later trip with some other group, maybe from Penn State. I'll bet it was Skidmore who gave the talk on fluorescent minerals to that club, that I'm remembering, and it was his "river of life" rock that was the highlight & finale of his talk--that was put in to give a closing religious/spiritual conclusion to the show. For years after, Regina and I (that's my ex-wife, I'm afraid I must say, we were in college together then and we must have gone to that meeting together), for years after, would hearken back to the "river of life" rock any time we saw a fluorescent specimen that sort of resembled it; but then, as I said, one day (I can't remember when), either in some person's presentation, or it could even have been in a Federation slide show or on disply at a mineral show, there it was, the exact same "river of life" rock! I guess it shows that rocks never die or fade away, they just get older. Sincerely and aloha back, Pete (I was going to just write this to you, but I might as well post it to the group, too!) ============================= Neat story, Pete! I changed the subject title in case someone will recognize the rock. Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 09:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Apr 1 09:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: MHRC Show this weekend Portland OR In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040330180808.02050d48@mail.spiritone.com> References: <20040330164350.E1499EABE9A@delivery.infowest.com> <200403310007.i2V073V6076100@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040330180808.02050d48@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040401091654.01f21de8@mail.spiritone.com> Just a quick note that I will be demoing my CD at the Mount Hood Rock Club show this weekend at the Multnomah Greyhound Park, 944 NE 223rd Avenue Wood Village OR, Sat 10-6 & Sun 10-5. They have a cool Easter thunderegg hunt, it is a blast, I wish I had the schedule but unfortunately their website has absolutely no relevant content whatsoever (grrrrrrr)... Map: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J35F228E7 Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 10:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Thu Apr 1 10:33:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> <010001c41432$557ca950$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <001b01c4143a$669fbda0$9600000a@sally> <019a01c4143f$005ce680$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <000601c414b4$d753aaf0$9600000a@sally> <004301c414b5$ea8f1c20$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Message-ID: <002c01c41817$a0a922d0$9600000a@sally> Hi there! Can someone provide me the chemical formula of joesmithite? Regards, André From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 10:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Apr 1 10:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE In-Reply-To: <002c01c41817$a0a922d0$9600000a@sally> References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> <010001c41432$557ca950$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <001b01c4143a$669fbda0$9600000a@sally> <019a01c4143f$005ce680$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <000601c414b4$d753aaf0$9600000a@sally> <004301c414b5$ea8f1c20$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <002c01c41817$a0a922d0$9600000a@sally> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040401091841.030269a0@mail.aloha.net> Go to www.mindat.org and type the name in the search window. Aloha, Kitty At 08:32 AM 4/1/2004, you wrote: >Hi there! > >Can someone provide me the chemical formula of joesmithite? > >Regards, > >Andr=E9 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 11:16:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Thu Apr 1 11:16:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> <010001c41432$557ca950$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <001b01c4143a$669fbda0$9600000a@sally> <019a01c4143f$005ce680$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <000601c414b4$d753aaf0$9600000a@sally> <004301c414b5$ea8f1c20$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <002c01c41817$a0a922d0$9600000a@sally> <6.0.3.0.0.20040401091841.030269a0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003301c4181d$a93c3530$9600000a@sally> Thanks Kitty, I think I'll visit this site another time in the future! Regards, André ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE Go to www.mindat.org and type the name in the search window. Aloha, Kitty At 08:32 AM 4/1/2004, you wrote: >Hi there! > >Can someone provide me the chemical formula of joesmithite? > >Regards, > >André --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 11:25:15 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gerry Koshman) Date: Thu Apr 1 11:25:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land for sale in California Message-ID: <001d01c4181f$0e5ac8e0$6402a8c0@userq8p3k9g7xy> I noticed in the paper the other day that there is going to be an auction sale of land near Bakersfield and one of the features was that it is the source of Horse Canyon Agate. Does anybody know more about this i.e. what land is worth around there and what is the terrain like? Thanks Gerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 11:43:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Apr 1 11:43:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? References: Message-ID: <003401c4181f$49d0f3e0$275204d0@jim> Kinda slow in replying to this one. Thought about it a lot. After reviewing all the places I've collected, from the famous (Franklin, Kings Mountain, etc.) to the obscure (Riker Hill, etc.) and many that are no longer available (French Creek, PA, Rensselear, IN, etc.), I finally decided that my favorite collecting place is anywhere I've never been before! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? > I thought this would be a good subject to kick around. Hopefully participants > will specific as to where and what is available. Perhaps you can also offer > tips about the area like camping, gas, food lodging or anything else that may > be helpful. > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 12:09:06 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:09:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trotter dump, Buckwheat dump,Sterling hill digs and NJESA show announcement Message-ID: <33.460d4d88.2d9dd0c8@aol.com> The once a year opening of the Trotter dump day and night collecting on 4/24 is almost upon us registrations are at 90% of the minimum and about halfway to the maximum number of collectors for the site 200 people. This is a rare chance to collect many fluorescent and non fluorescent species 370+ i think at last count from the Franklin area alone. Pre-registering is a must. for info trotterdump@uvworld.org and tripmaster@uvworld.org . There will be night collecting also allowed at Trotter on that night. There are also many door prizes UV lamps gift certificates and possibly more items donated closer to the dig. You could come home with much more than a few new great specimens! You will meet many mew friendly helpful people and make many new friends! There are digs at the Buckwheat dump by the Franklin mineral museum sat and sunday. Plus museum tours! There are 2 great museums at Sterling Hill The Thomas S. Warren museum of fluorescence and the Sterling Hill Minig Museum BOTH FOR ONE low entry fee. There is a dig at Sterling Hill on the mine dumps and worldwide dump on sunday 4/25. All these great events coincide with the NJESA show at the Littel center in Franklin NJ an indoor and outdoor show with many great dealers in attendance! Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 12:28:34 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:28:34 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Law and Order" TV show last night? Message-ID: Hi all, Did anyone else see the "Law and Order" TV show last night here in the US? They mentioned a major "swap meet in Quartzite, Arizona" and briefly showed a color brochure. It was too fast to see if it was a real brochure. Unfortunately, they didn't mention geology or rockhounding or anything else to distinguish it from any other swap meet, so I don't really know if they were referencing our hobby's annual Quartzite event. Bob From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 12:56:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:56:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> <010001c41432$557ca950$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <001b01c4143a$669fbda0$9600000a@sally> <019a01c4143f$005ce680$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <000601c414b4$d753aaf0$9600000a@sally> <004301c414b5$ea8f1c20$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <002c01c41817$a0a922d0$9600000a@sally> <6.0.3.0.0.20040401091841.030269a0@mail.aloha.net> <003301c4181d$a93c3530$9600000a@sally> Message-ID: <004201c4182b$cd7d0740$6402a8c0@axel> Hi André, it's not an April fools joke. The mineral does exist. (Ca,Pb)3(Mg,Fe)5 Si6 Be2 O22 (OH)2 You can visit the page directly at http://www.mindat.org/min-2100.html Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "a.m.robbemond" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE Thanks Kitty, I think I'll visit this site another time in the future! Regards, André ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] JOESMITHITE Go to www.mindat.org and type the name in the search window. Aloha, Kitty At 08:32 AM 4/1/2004, you wrote: >Hi there! > >Can someone provide me the chemical formula of joesmithite? > >Regards, > >André --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 13:01:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Apr 1 13:01:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? In-Reply-To: <003401c4181f$49d0f3e0$275204d0@jim> Message-ID: My favorite place to dig is Mt. Antero in Colorado. It's beautiful (e.g. deer, squirrels and pine trees at base camp; a gorgeous view, pikas and cool weather at the top), productive (e.g. aquamarine, phenakite, fluorite, etc can be found if you work at it) and a little bit dangerous (e.g. afternoon lightning, rockslides, low oxygen levels, bears). What more could anyone ask for? :-) Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Jim Daly Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:27 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? Kinda slow in replying to this one. Thought about it a lot. After reviewing all the places I've collected, from the famous (Franklin, Kings Mountain, etc.) to the obscure (Riker Hill, etc.) and many that are no longer available (French Creek, PA, Rensselear, IN, etc.), I finally decided that my favorite collecting place is anywhere I've never been before! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? > I thought this would be a good subject to kick around. Hopefully participants > will specific as to where and what is available. Perhaps you can also offer > tips about the area like camping, gas, food lodging or anything else that may > be helpful. > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 14:13:25 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:13:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Hood Rock Club Rock (Portland Oregon), Gem & Crafts Show Message-ID: Tim, I happened to pickup the flyer! Here's the info: Sat April 3rd 10 - 6 Sun April 4th 10 - 5 New location Multnomah Greyhound Park 223rd & Glisan Activities: Games! Food! Prizes/Gifts! Demos Raffle Oral Auction Silent Auction Field Trip Info Rough Rock! Easter (Thunder) Egg hunt Sat 2:00 pm under age 6 2:15 ages 6-8 2:30 ages 9-12 Oregon Council meeting Sat 12:00 noon Club building seminar Sunday 8:30 am Oral Auction Sunday 2:00 quality materials, agate, wood, thunder eggs, rainbow obsidian, other fine materials. More info? Call (503) 760-1825 See you there! Dawn   Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: "Tim Fisher" <tim@orerockon.com> >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, usfgfaceterslist@yahoogroups.com, roughforsale@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: MHRC Show this weekend Portland OR >Date: 1 Apr 2004 09:29:41 -0800 > >Just a quick note that I will be demoing my CD at the Mount Hood >Rock Club show this weekend at the Multnomah Greyhound Park, 944 NE >223rd Avenue Wood Village OR, Sat 10-6 & Sun 10-5. They have a cool >Easter thunderegg hunt, it is a blast, I wish I had the schedule but >unfortunately their website has absolutely no relevant content >whatsoever (grrrrrrr)... > >Map: ><http://makeashorterlink.com/?J35F228E7>http://makeashorterlink.com/?J35F228E7 > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com >CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD >Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary >Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers >Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale >Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 14:17:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:17:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon Message-ID: Darn, I was packing my bags ready to head out to the diamond rush! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: MCGINNISG@aol.com >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:31:23 EST > >APRIL FOOL !!! > >Just wanted to start the month off with a Ha! Ha! > >T. McGinnis > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 14:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] river of life...and journals In-Reply-To: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF9694 8C9A8D9B909295@att.net> References: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040401120617.03014bd0@mail.aloha.net> Pete and List, This thread of remembering old-timers and people who influenced us has come and gone a couple of times over the years on this list, and it's a good one. Another related theme is that of keeping records. My father began keeping a journal when he was 14 years old and continued to do so until he died at the age of 93. So I have a whole stack of little black leather-bound notebooks, the first beginning in 1911 and the last in 1990. So I was able to check the entries of 1949 to 1953 and read about visits and night collecting with Edwin Skidmore. The following entry is not about rocks, but it is an example of how keeping a journal or diary can be very interesting for future generations: [Journal of Russell H. Lindsay while he was in England] June 5 (1943) London: Dinner at Savoy Grill with Noel and Mary Monks, also a Mr. Knickerbocker and Mrs. Murrow. Knickerbocker is one of foremost foreign correspondents---International News & Chicago Sun. Ed Murrow, Janet's husband (now in U.S., returning here next week), is Chief of C.B.S. in Europe now---one of foremost broadcasters. I know who Edward R. Murrow was, but I had to Google Knickerbocker. I found that they both were in England and Europe in 1943 when my father was there. My father's journal also mentioned taking a fluorescent mineral collection, prepared by a friend's son, to Ed Skidmore for evaluation for a Boy Scout merit badge. I've also found records of his taking our family (at my mother's insistence---she was the major rockhound) to Oregon to collect thundereggs, and I still have a bunch of those (I've got to find someone who can saw and polish them for me). But the journal gives the approximate location we went, back in 1955, so now I have better source information for those babies, and I will make proper identification cards for them. So, rocks may never die or fade away, but the information of where they came from will if we don't keep records. If we keep true stories about them in addition to identification and location, so much the better! Aloha, Kitty At 05:35 AM 4/1/2004, Pete wrote: >...I'll bet it was Skidmore who gave the talk on fluorescent minerals to >that club, that I'm remembering, and it was his "river of life" rock that >was the highlight & finale of his talk--that was put in to give a closing >religious/spiritual conclusion to the show. ... but then, as I said, one >day (I can't remember when), either in some person's presentation, or it >could even have been in a Federation slide show or on disply at a mineral >show, there it was, the exact same "river of life" rock! I guess it shows >that rocks never die or fade away, they just get older. > >Sincerely and aloha back, Pete --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 16:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 16:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: MHRC Show this weekend Portland OR Message-ID: <1d9.1dd29808.2d9e0faf@aol.com> In a message dated 4/1/04 9:30:33 AM, tim@orerockon.com writes: << They have a cool Easter thunderegg hunt, it is a blast, I wish I had the schedule >> The Easter egg hunt is Saturday at 2pm. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 22:20:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 22:20:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land for sale in California References: <001d01c4181f$0e5ac8e0$6402a8c0@userq8p3k9g7xy> Message-ID: <009701c4187b$823daaa0$3f437a42@cnq3yak2e45rug> It is closer to Tehachapi, CA and the terrain in a word "Mountainous". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Koshman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Land for sale in California > I noticed in the paper the other day that there is going to be an > auction sale of land near Bakersfield and one of the features was that > it is the source of Horse Canyon Agate. Does anybody know more about > this i.e. what land is worth around there and what is the terrain like? > > Thanks > > Gerry > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 1 22:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 1 22:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada hounding Message-ID: We will be around Ely Nevada and would like some rockhounding advice. I have heard of the Garnet Hill, but what others are available and any advice. Thanks Kathy c. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 07:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maria Hammill) Date: Fri Apr 2 07:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land for sale in California References: <001d01c4181f$0e5ac8e0$6402a8c0@userq8p3k9g7xy> <009701c4187b$823daaa0$3f437a42@cnq3yak2e45rug> Message-ID: <005301c418c4$de7f7c50$6401a8c0@maria> If you decide to bid on this property, make sure the parcel actually has some agate - it's all over the canyon and they are selling off the canyon in 14 parcels - and make sure you get the mineral rights. Per acre prices run anywhere from $500 to $1500 per acre, depending on the area, whether you can develop it, or someone is buying the land to put up windmills - important area for wind-generated power. From the topography map, the terrain looks to have some fairly navigable areas, and some practically inacessible areas, expect it to be mountainous. Are you looking simply to own the agate source (which you won't because it's being sold off in parcels) or to develop a personal residence? And get good representation, I know this auction company and they do allow you to have your own buyer representative. Maria San Diego From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 07:50:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Apr 2 07:50:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon References: Message-ID: <000901c418ca$36a1f2a0$6402a8c0@axel> The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. There must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the roads without having consulted each other. Massive gridlock everywhere... The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway would be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking ship. The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD and reportedly is in mint condition. I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go and have a look for themselves" ;-)))) As if we haven't enough traffic jams... Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon > Darn, I was packing my bags ready to head out to the diamond rush! > > > > > > > > Dawn Fredricks > Portland Oregon > > >   > > >From: MCGINNISG@aol.com >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:31:23 EST > >APRIL FOOL !!! > >Just wanted to start the month off with a Ha! Ha! > >T. McGinnis > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 09:01:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Fri Apr 2 09:01:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon In-Reply-To: <000901c418ca$36a1f2a0$6402a8c0@axel> References: <000901c418ca$36a1f2a0$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <406D9D4E.5060008@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... >Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. There >must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the roads >without having consulted each other. >Massive gridlock everywhere... >The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway would >be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking >ship. >The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD and >reportedly is in mint condition. >I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go and >have a look for themselves" ;-)))) >As if we haven't enough traffic jams... > >Axel > > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, fior sure!" john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 14:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 2 14:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] ReL Horse Canyon Message-ID: <2d.3bb48138.2d9f409c@aol.com> Here is some information about the Horse Canyon area. http://www.ca.blm.gov/bakersfield/bkformp/rmphorse.htm and http://members.aol.com/btanas/horse2000.htm T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 14:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Apr 2 14:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock In-Reply-To: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF9694 8C9A8D9B909295@att.net> References: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040402120509.028a37f0@mail.aloha.net> At 05:35 AM 4/1/2004, Pete wrote: >I guess it shows that rocks never die or fade away, they just get older. I imagine everyone has a story about a specimen that was destroyed or lost in some manner, but here's one that may be a little different: Our 14-year-old niece was visiting over Spring Break, and she is becoming very interested in our hobby, and is fascinated with our collection. I think she enjoys coming to Hawaii as much to fiddle among our rocks as she does to go to the beach. I had three projects that morning in our study. First, I had brushed our two large dogs, not a small feat considering our Malamute is blowing her coat for spring. Second, I had cleaned off our desk, including emptying the pencil sharpener. So the wastebasket next to the desk was 3/4 full of dog hair with a dump of pencil lead and wood powder on top. Third, I was working on a continuing project of carefully examining, dusting and checking labels on segments of our mineral collection, so I had about a dozen specimens on the desk, along with a loupe and a can of "dust-off" air spray stuff. I took a break from this last task to go out and mow the yard for a while. My niece took my place at the desk to play a Harry Potter computer game. After about a half hour I looked back at the house and saw my niece walking slowly toward me with her whole body showing dejection. I drove the mower to her and saw she was crying. ("Oh, no!," I thought. "She's gotten some bad news from a phone call! Maybe someone had died!") I asked her what was wrong and here's what she said happened: While deeply involved in a Quiddich match in the game, she had nudged a pyrite specimen off the edge of the desk with her elbow. The good news is that it landed in the wastebasket and plunged deep onto the nice soft pile of dog hair and pencil shavings, so it was not broken. This was an odd piece composed of a clusters of cubic pyrite crystals, but capped with an unusual ball-shaped cluster of tiny crystals. It had an old undated label saying it came from Old Bridge, NJ. When my niece extricated it from the soft landing in the wastebasket, the bad news is that she decided to wash the hair and pencil stuff off under the faucet in the kitchen along with a little whisking with a dish brush, and it promptly fell into a gazillion pieces in her hand and the sink. I told her it wasn't worth crying about, it was just a rock, after all, and that I didn't mind. She informed it was a mineral, it was very pretty, and SHE minded. She also wanted to know why a mineral that had been in the ground outdoors and must have been rained on, could not withstand a little washing in the sink. We considered having a small burial for the specimen's collected parts and making a little marker for it out of the old label. But instead she decided she would take pictures of the remains, make a copy of the picture I had of it before it disintegrated, and she would write up a little assay about what had happened, to take back to her science class. Yesterday she was checking out info on the Internet about care and storage of minerals, and was gluing some of the pieces together to see if she could make some of it look pretty again. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 15:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Fri Apr 2 15:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock References: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040402120509.028a37f0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <01d801c41908$6cafa660$a405efd1@oemcomputer> All is not lost; you've perhaps gained several dozen pyrite micromounts! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: April 2, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock > At 05:35 AM 4/1/2004, Pete wrote: > >I guess it shows that rocks never die or fade away, they just get older. > > I imagine everyone has a story about a specimen that was destroyed or lost > in some manner, but here's one that may be a little different: > > Our 14-year-old niece was visiting over Spring Break, and she is becoming > very interested in our hobby, and is fascinated with our collection. I > think she enjoys coming to Hawaii as much to fiddle among our rocks as she > does to go to the beach. > > I had three projects that morning in our study. First, I had brushed our > two large dogs, not a small feat considering our Malamute is blowing her > coat for spring. Second, I had cleaned off our desk, including emptying > the pencil sharpener. So the wastebasket next to the desk was 3/4 full of > dog hair with a dump of pencil lead and wood powder on top. Third, I was > working on a continuing project of carefully examining, dusting and > checking labels on segments of our mineral collection, so I had about a > dozen specimens on the desk, along with a loupe and a can of "dust-off" air > spray stuff. > > I took a break from this last task to go out and mow the yard for a > while. My niece took my place at the desk to play a Harry Potter computer > game. After about a half hour I looked back at the house and saw my niece > walking slowly toward me with her whole body showing dejection. I drove > the mower to her and saw she was crying. ("Oh, no!," I thought. "She's > gotten some bad news from a phone call! Maybe someone had died!") I asked > her what was wrong and here's what she said happened: > > While deeply involved in a Quiddich match in the game, she had nudged a > pyrite specimen off the edge of the desk with her elbow. The good news is > that it landed in the wastebasket and plunged deep onto the nice soft pile > of dog hair and pencil shavings, so it was not broken. This was an odd > piece composed of a clusters of cubic pyrite crystals, but capped with an > unusual ball-shaped cluster of tiny crystals. It had an old undated label > saying it came from Old Bridge, NJ. When my niece extricated it from the > soft landing in the wastebasket, the bad news is that she decided to wash > the hair and pencil stuff off under the faucet in the kitchen along with a > little whisking with a dish brush, and it promptly fell into a gazillion > pieces in her hand and the sink. > > I told her it wasn't worth crying about, it was just a rock, after all, and > that I didn't mind. She informed it was a mineral, it was very pretty, and > SHE minded. She also wanted to know why a mineral that had been in the > ground outdoors and must have been rained on, could not withstand a little > washing in the sink. > > We considered having a small burial for the specimen's collected parts and > making a little marker for it out of the old label. But instead she > decided she would take pictures of the remains, make a copy of the picture > I had of it before it disintegrated, and she would write up a little assay > about what had happened, to take back to her science class. Yesterday she > was checking out info on the Internet about care and storage of minerals, > and was gluing some of the pieces together to see if she could make some of > it look pretty again. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 16:11:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dri) Date: Fri Apr 2 16:11:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock References: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040402120509.028a37f0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <00a601c41910$0dae14a0$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> Kitty: Loved the story and your Niece must be one precious young Lady. I am impressed with her curiosity and interest in all things Rockhound. Oh, sometime back you inquired if I might be interested in sending you a Geode from the Quarry's in the Walker Valley of Washington. I have not forgotten your request and one of these days I will get "roun'-to-it" . African Violets (AV) are another of my passions. I have been quite busy with this hobby as I have some 300 plus AV's. The small ones (Miniature and Semi-Miniature) need to be repotted every 3 months. Over half of my collection are the tiny ones. Additionally, I have designed and am in the process of getting a patent for what are truly Tiny-Miny Greenhouses. They are small enough in size that they can be used to cover plants on a shelf. Our recent Rockhound expeditions have been in exploring areas and trying to find several abandoned mining claims East of Monroe, WA. Tis' the situations where the Map says you are there. However, you spend several hours trying to find the actual location. Everything is grown over at these abandoned sites. We have located One so far and hope to do some digging in the near future. I certainly wish a GPS unit was in our budget. Would be nice to get an accurate plot on some of the Rockhound Sites. However, a GPS unit is a Wish List item for at least the near future. In Southwestern Montana there are three very remote sites that I discovered while still a child that hardly anyone knows about. I am not sure I could accurately point them out on a Map. However, my memories are the guide back to them. We visited two of them last summer and found some good Quartz Crystal. They too are off the beaten path. One of them is a short 2 minute walk from a very old Road that at one time was used for logging and mining exploration. Lots of Silver was mined in them thar' hills. Actually four mountain ranges that surround the Flint Creek Valley where I spent my growing up years. There are prospect holes all over the place. Hugs Dri-Anna WA - USA http://www.twospirit.net/computercubecolumn02-04.htm http://www.twospirit.net/Tiny-MinyGreenhouses.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 14:51 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock > At 05:35 AM 4/1/2004, Pete wrote: > >I guess it shows that rocks never die or fade away, they just get older. > > I imagine everyone has a story about a specimen that was destroyed or lost > in some manner, but here's one that may be a little different: > > Our 14-year-old niece was visiting over Spring Break, and she is becoming > very interested in our hobby, and is fascinated with our collection. I > think she enjoys coming to Hawaii as much to fiddle among our rocks as she > does to go to the beach. > > I had three projects that morning in our study. First, I had brushed our > two large dogs, not a small feat considering our Malamute is blowing her > coat for spring. Second, I had cleaned off our desk, including emptying > the pencil sharpener. So the wastebasket next to the desk was 3/4 full of > dog hair with a dump of pencil lead and wood powder on top. Third, I was > working on a continuing project of carefully examining, dusting and > checking labels on segments of our mineral collection, so I had about a > dozen specimens on the desk, along with a loupe and a can of "dust-off" air > spray stuff. > > I took a break from this last task to go out and mow the yard for a > while. My niece took my place at the desk to play a Harry Potter computer > game. After about a half hour I looked back at the house and saw my niece > walking slowly toward me with her whole body showing dejection. I drove > the mower to her and saw she was crying. ("Oh, no!," I thought. "She's > gotten some bad news from a phone call! Maybe someone had died!") I asked > her what was wrong and here's what she said happened: > > While deeply involved in a Quiddich match in the game, she had nudged a > pyrite specimen off the edge of the desk with her elbow. The good news is > that it landed in the wastebasket and plunged deep onto the nice soft pile > of dog hair and pencil shavings, so it was not broken. This was an odd > piece composed of a clusters of cubic pyrite crystals, but capped with an > unusual ball-shaped cluster of tiny crystals. It had an old undated label > saying it came from Old Bridge, NJ. When my niece extricated it from the > soft landing in the wastebasket, the bad news is that she decided to wash > the hair and pencil stuff off under the faucet in the kitchen along with a > little whisking with a dish brush, and it promptly fell into a gazillion > pieces in her hand and the sink. > > I told her it wasn't worth crying about, it was just a rock, after all, and > that I didn't mind. She informed it was a mineral, it was very pretty, and > SHE minded. She also wanted to know why a mineral that had been in the > ground outdoors and must have been rained on, could not withstand a little > washing in the sink. > > We considered having a small burial for the specimen's collected parts and > making a little marker for it out of the old label. But instead she > decided she would take pictures of the remains, make a copy of the picture > I had of it before it disintegrated, and she would write up a little assay > about what had happened, to take back to her science class. Yesterday she > was checking out info on the Internet about care and storage of minerals, > and was gluing some of the pieces together to see if she could make some of > it look pretty again. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 19:00:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Apr 2 19:00:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock References: <040120041535.3547.406C36C00004782D00000DDB2160376021FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040402120509.028a37f0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002701c41928$454a4ce0$45a4490c@pete> Kitty, that was a neat little story. I can't remember if I have any personal "lost rock" story (I'm sure I'll think of something), but an experience of a couple I know from Los Alamos, NM comes to mind. They lost their home in the big wildfire there, what was it, two years ago, or three? When I saw them next fall at the New Mexico Mineral Symposium they showed off what was almost the only thing salvaged from the ruins of their own (yes, that's all pretty said); a rock specimen; it was a piece of obsidian, what had ONCE been glassy black obsidian from the Jemez Mountains, and now having been through the fire, it was swollen up and gloopy-looking (there's a word), something like a piece of popcorn. (One might think that an igneous rock would hold up better than that!--but of course, they take perlite rock, a variety of partly hydrated obsidian, and roast it in a kiln where it swells up to form the light, porous perlite we see used as a moisture-holding soil additive. So obsidian isn't necessarily impervious to heat.) So... a rock with an origin in fire, and then back to fire again! And Kitty, you never know how one will connect with trivial things mentioned--your pyrite specimen was from Old Bridge NJ; I don't think I've ever seen a specimen labeled thus, but Old Bridge was a community on the edge of East Brunswick, where I went to High School. On the other side of Old Bridge was Sayreville, which is well know (sort of) as the site of Cretaceous amber found in clay pits there. When I lived there we didn't know about the amber--I think I'd heard that amber did occur in the clay pit, but no one seemed to know of anyone who'd ever actually found or seen any. We went there to dig for pyrite/marcasite concretions, the nicest of which were warty-shaped, coarsely crystalline clusters up to about tennis-ball size. One I remember that I found was pretty neat, shaped like a mushroom with a stalk. Over the years, most of them crumbled, in spite of efforts to clean them and coat them with acrylic or some such. I think I may still have one that survived--maybe I'm afraid to check the drawer or box it's in, to see what it really looks like now! There were also small individual crystals that were some cubic, and some more wedge-shaped; apparently I think, some were pyrite and some probably marcasite. But I don't know that I ever heard of someone actually collecting any in Old Bridge--but probably, some of the clay pits did extend into that community. cheers, Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 19:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Apr 2 19:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral locality website Q. Message-ID: <005b01c4192a$b1cf7320$45a4490c@pete> Dear Rockhounds, Can someone tell me, what was the url for the website that was mentioned = in this list some time (a month??) ago, the fellow had created a pretty = comprehensive list with descriptions & maps, to mineral localities in = all the states of the U.S.? I think it was posted on a web page of the = Missouri (Geological Society? Survey?). I seem to have bookmarked it = on my computer at the office (not there now, it's Friday evening!) but = not on my home computer. I tried to search on Google for this but = couldn't find anything. It's a really neat & useful site--I'm impressed = that it exists! Thank you, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 19:25:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Apr 2 19:25:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral locality website Q. References: <005b01c4192a$b1cf7320$45a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <006701c4191a$3e871220$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Pete, I think the link you're seeking is http://www.missourigeologists.org/Links.htm John Siebel Santa. Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" Dear Rockhounds, Can someone tell me, what was the url for the website that was mentioned in this list some time (a month??) ago, the fellow had created a pretty comprehensive list with descriptions & maps, to mineral localities in all the states of the U.S.? I think it was posted on a web page of the Missouri (Geological Society? Survey?). I seem to have bookmarked it on my computer at the office (not there now, it's Friday evening!) but not on my home computer. I tried to search on Google for this but couldn't find anything. It's a really neat & useful site--I'm impressed that it exists! Thank you, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 19:51:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 2 19:51:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada hounding Message-ID: <11.25d9af81.2d9f8e9d@aol.com> Anyone know about Ely Nevada rock hounding? or West Central Utah? Kathy c. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 20:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Apr 2 20:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with specimen identification Message-ID: <406E373D.250B@Tomaszewski.net> Some 16 months ago Aleta's Rock Shop in Grand Rapids, MI, had a 'gone out of business' sale held by the landlord that pretty much cleaned out the store and basement. Part of what I picked up during the short time I could rummage thru the basement treasure cave was a small box containing hematite from the Champion Mine near Ishpiming, MI, some hematite from Minnesota, some mica and feldspar from canada, and one specimen just labeled 'hematite xls'. It is this last specimen I am trying to figure out. Pictures (flatbed scanner) at http://tomaszewski.net/Images/unknown1.jpg top http://tomaszewski.net/Images/unknown2.jpg side/edge http://tomaszewski.net/Images/unknown3.jpg back and I apologize in advance for the bad picture quality. Quarter included for scale and as a color control; pics are about 4x. The matrix appears to be limestone/dolomite/sandstone with pyrite/marcasite bands thru it (look just above the 'emat' on the label in picture 3 for the latter). The side view makes me think of sphalerite instead of hematite because of the brown and silver hues. The main crystal face has two minerals represented; a (minority) translucent brownish mineral (streak white with a touch of pale yellow) and the opaque metallic mineral (that has two different appearances, brown silver and blue silver, but a consistent brown/yellow streak). Both types have similar crystal appearances and I suspect the minor component is a pseudomorph (or something with a very similar crystal form); the two are hard to tell apart on the face without a lens. The streak on the other hematite specimens was the expected red color. All the specimens appeared to be 25 or more years old (and had at least that much dust on them). Ideas and suggestions for what I have, and where it might come from, are welcomed. Thanks Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 21:20:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Apr 2 21:20:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with specimen identification References: <406E373D.250B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <008b01c4193b$d4b96060$45a4490c@pete> Well, Kreigh, it shows how hard it is to identify something, just from a photo. Even thought the image is reasonably clear & sharp--well, I just don't get any clear feeling of "this must be it". In a case like this, I sometimes try to make multiple guesses of the several things it could most likely be. Then what usually happens, is the one "maybe" that I leave out because I think, "Oh, that one probably isn't worth mentioning, doesn't quite look right", turns out to be what it really is. So my "possibles" list for this would be--oh, heck, I'll say, goethite, hematite, sphalerite, hedenbergite, ... real dark iron-stained siderite... I wonder if any of these is right? good luck, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 2 22:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 2 22:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Nevada Rockhounding Message-ID: <3c.3d15dc9b.2d9fba11@aol.com> It's been a long time since I've been to Ely but when I would travel through the area, I would always search the dumps around the Ruth Copper Mine. I Always walked away with excellent mineral specimens that I found there. T. Mcginnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 00:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Sat Apr 3 00:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral locality website Q.-Web Databases In-Reply-To: <005b01c4192a$b1cf7320$45a4490c@pete> References: <005b01c4192a$b1cf7320$45a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <406E6F84.10407@epix.net> Now might be a good time to list several mineral databases: (not in any particular order) 1. MinDat.org is a world database of minerals & occurances. There are many obscure features-many of which are under development so explore all the buttons. I use this site daily. I wish it had more text on the data pages. However, it is cross linked to the other popular web databases and google search engines. Mineral Database (mindat) 2.Mineralogy Database(www.webmineral.com) and 3.Mineralogy Database(webmineral.com) (same data base different domain) A great feature of these sites is a printable specimen label at the bottom of each mineral data page. The label contains the name, formula, Dana & Struntz numbers, a place to record locality and a place for notes! 4. web.wt.net-daba-Mineral-index Mineralogy Database(web.wt.net) 5.MineralCollecting.org 6. ATHENA: MINERALOGY; Pierre Perroud 7.Minerals by Name(mingallery) 8. Photos TheImage.com HomePage Mineral Information Finder from Rockman 9. Brief glossary Mineral Reference 10. Mineral name origins Mineral Names 11.List of minerals/Rocks Fact-index This site is unique in that every term is cross referenced to a link if the term is elsewhere in their database. It has links to far more than just Geology. There are A-Z lists of minerals, rocks & etc. 12.Links for Mineralogists 13.Virtual Atlas of Opaque and Ore Minerals and 14.http://www.missourigeologists.org/Links.htm Elton From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 01:46:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Sat Apr 3 01:46:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral locality website Q.-Web Databases Message-ID: <20040403094531.5852.qmail@webmachine101.com> Not to forget the Census of the Minerals of Australia and New Zealand at http://www.crocoite.com Regards Steve -------Original Message------- > From: E. L. Jones > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral locality website Q.-Web Databases > Sent: 02 Apr 2004 22:02:12 > > Now might be a good time to list several mineral databases: > (not in any particular order) > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 04:22:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Mulvey) Date: Sat Apr 3 04:22:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock Message-ID: <20040403122108.23172.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kitty, Niece of Kitty, and List in general! The sad, yet uplifting story of your Niece was very niice. Also reveals that you are related to a very special young woman. What I find as an interesting side point is that the natural progression of your pyrite specimen has continued, and for this particular phase it has occured right before your eyes. As a total amatuer, I find it intriguing that a mineral that we call pyrite may once have been a very different mineral x000 years ago. I think Anhydrite can morph to Pyrite. And, under the right conditions, pyrite can break down into a rock generically known as limonite. Eventally, no matter how hard you try to take care of that mineral, it's going to last longer than us - in one form or another! When done gluing, tell her what a great job she did! Best, Joe Joe Mulvey Nashua, NH -- USA http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 06:40:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Apr 3 06:40:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon References: <000901c418ca$36a1f2a0$6402a8c0@axel> <406D9D4E.5060008@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <001701c41989$65ecacc0$6402a8c0@axel> > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, > fior sure!" > > john Absolutely! I checked with Black Eric, son of Guldar the Bloodthirsty and Eleonida with the Puffy Toes. He agrees that "Sloofv lirpa" is the way to proceed unless you are afraid of needles. In that case you should abandon embroidery and perhaps take up macramé. Black Eric wishes you much "chtoop 'ngett oush". Axel (frantically swinging his double bladed cow) ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... > >Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. There > >must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the roads > >without having consulted each other. > >Massive gridlock everywhere... > >The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway would > >be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking > >ship. > >The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD and > >reportedly is in mint condition. > >I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go and > >have a look for themselves" ;-)))) > >As if we haven't enough traffic jams... > > > >Axel > > > > > > > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, > fior sure!" > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 09:31:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Apr 3 09:31:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] demise of a rock In-Reply-To: <20040403122108.23172.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040403122108.23172.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040403073536.02ff6cc0@mail.aloha.net> Thanks for your thoughts. This is the niece, BTW, who, when I say: "Look at that bright star!" will reply: "It's not a star. That's Saturn." She also just finished performing in the chorus in her school production of "Singin' in the Rain." She wants to be either an actress or an astronaut. Knowing her, she'll probably be both. Or maybe an archeologist. That specimen had travelled a bit before it got here, BTW. The old label says "Owen Collection, Milwaukee, Wis, Cave Creek, Ariz. (in addition to "Old Bridge, New Jersey")," and it is yellowed and brittle and was typed on what looks like an Underwood typewriter. I bought it from George Campbell of Los Osos, CA, and it came apart here in Hilo, HI. My niece wants to leave the glue job here, but is taking some of the "micromounts" home with her to Olympia, WA. Aloha, Kitty At 02:21 AM 4/3/2004, you wrote: >Hi Kitty, Niece of Kitty, and List in general! >The sad, yet uplifting story of your Niece was very niice. Also reveals >that you are related to a very special young woman. > >What I find as an interesting side point is that the natural progression >of your pyrite specimen has continued, and for this particular phase it >has occured right before your eyes. As a total amatuer, I find it >intriguing that a mineral that we call pyrite may once have been a very >different mineral x000 years ago. I think Anhydrite can morph to Pyrite. >And, under the right conditions, pyrite can break down into a rock >generically known as limonite. Eventally, no matter how hard you try to >take care of that mineral, it's going to last longer than us - in one form >or another! > >When done gluing, tell her what a great job she did! > >Best, >Joe > > > >Joe Mulvey >Nashua, NH -- USA >http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 12:40:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Apr 3 12:40:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] St Petersburg, Russia Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040403104622.02ffb180@mail.aloha.net> Hi all, Bill is considering attending a conference on astronomy education in St. Petersburg, Russia, the last week of July this summer, and I may be able to go along. Obviously I'm checking out everything I can on the Internet and from books, maps, etc., but does anyone on the List have any suggestions of things I should try to do while Bill is at the conference, or the two of us whenever he had a break in the proceedings? It seems the whole city is practically a museum in itself; there are so many things to see that any pointers or tips from someone who had been there would be greatly appreciated. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 14:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Apr 3 14:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] St Petersburg, Russia In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040403104622.02ffb180@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Hi Kitty, I have never been to St.Petersburg myself, but I have heart the mineralogical museum is quite good. But be prepared for the funny Russian way of life. Last summer when I was in Moscow practically all musea where closed because of..... summer holidays. During my short stay in Moscow the Vernadsky and Fersman musea where closed. :-(( Also a number (all??) of cultural events like ballets and concerts will be on summer break The Tretyakovo museum (great collection of Ilya Repin paintings!) was open. In St.P the Hermitage will defenitely be open. Rockhounding in Russia is a bit difficult. St.Petersburg is not a great rockhounding area. Not far to the northwest in southern karelia are some pretty good localities. Pitkyaranta on the shore of Lake Ladoga comes to my mind. But going there will cost some paperwork. First you need permission from the owner of the mine, you will need FSB (former KGB) permission to go there and finally you will need customs clearance to get any minerals out of Russia. The FSB clearance is usualy no problem. Customs clearance might be problematic, but small amounts of rocks in a suitcase are no problem. For the rest Russia is absolutely a GREAT country. Love the people, their food, their beer, their nature and their minerals :-) Cheers, Maurice http://maurice.strahlen.org -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: 03 April 2004 23:03 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] St Petersburg, Russia Hi all, Bill is considering attending a conference on astronomy education in St. Petersburg, Russia, the last week of July this summer, and I may be able to go along. Obviously I'm checking out everything I can on the Internet and from books, maps, etc., but does anyone on the List have any suggestions of things I should try to do while Bill is at the conference, or the two of us whenever he had a break in the proceedings? It seems the whole city is practically a museum in itself; there are so many things to see that any pointers or tips from someone who had been there would be greatly appreciated. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 20:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Apr 3 20:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with specimen identification References: <406E373D.250B@Tomaszewski.net> <008b01c4193b$d4b96060$45a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <406F943F.2F6F@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Pete, Amen to the difficulty of identification via pictures. But sometimes pictures can bring a flash of recognition because someone has seen it before. Field guides often have pictures, but they have a lot more descriptive text about attributes to check. Half the problem is getting to the right descriptions so you can match to what you have in your hand. And field guide pictures are not that good in general (partially due to the media). Sometimes you just have to ask around for opinions/suggestions becuse what you are coming up with doesn't fit. You named one I hadn't really considered, siderite. That makes a good match, even to (reasonably close) specific gravity (the labels were removable). And it is probably pseudomorphing towards limonite (or goethite) to explain the dark color and streaks. Thank you! Now if I could just figure out where it came from... Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Well, Kreigh, it shows how hard it is to identify something, just from a > photo. Even thought the image is reasonably clear & sharp--well, I just > don't get any clear feeling of "this must be it". > > In a case like this, I sometimes try to make multiple guesses of the several > things it could most likely be. Then what usually happens, is the one > "maybe" that I leave out because I think, "Oh, that one probably isn't worth > mentioning, doesn't quite look right", turns out to be what it really is. > > So my "possibles" list for this would be--oh, heck, I'll say, goethite, > hematite, sphalerite, hedenbergite, ... real dark iron-stained siderite... > I wonder if any of these is right? > > good luck, > Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 3 21:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Apr 3 21:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] St Petersburg, Russia References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040403104622.02ffb180@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003e01c41a08$e9bdb100$d3a4490c@pete> Kitty and Bill, I've been to St. Petersburg once, and it was a really great experience. We did have a host, a Russian geologist, which made every go very smooth. The absolute best thing to see there is the Hermitage palace/museum--things like "the malachite room" (all full of polished malachite objects). Then they have innumerable rooms full of painting, etc., like you couldn't believe. I'll think about what more I would recommend. You're right, much of the city is like a museum. The Fortress of St. Peter and Paul is a must-see, too, and a couple of the cathedrals. sincerely, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 4 11:04:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Apr 4 10:04:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Nevada Collecting Message-ID: It's been a long time since I've been to Ely but when I would travel through the area, I would always search the dumps around the Ruth Copper Mine. I Always walked away with excellent mineral specimens that I found there. T. Mcginnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 4 11:04:25 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Apr 4 10:04:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Beste's "Location Guide for Rockhounds" In-Reply-To: <20040403020002.31498.82772.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: I am not sure how this will work with copyright etc.. This is left to you personal discretion. Below is a URL for Bob Beste's "Location Guide for Rockhounds" Part I--Alabama through Idaho (PDF, 155 p.) Part II--Illinois through North Dakota (PDF, 186 p.) Part III--Ohio through Wyoming (PDF, 193 p.) http://www.missourigeologists.org/Links.htm This downloadable publication provides valuable information for mineral collectors. Johan Maertens mineral.maertens @ att.net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 4 12:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Apr 4 11:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] connected world (off topic) Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040403192432.03048c90@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, Just a note off topic, but to indicate how we are all connected. One of the four men who were killed in Fallujah, Iraq when their vehicle was attacked and their burned bodies dragged and hanged....was from the small town Bill and I lived in for ten years; Pa'auilo, just up the road from the K-12 school I taught at for many years at Laupahoehoe (which means "tongue of lava" for the lava peninsula that sticks out into the sea). I still substitute at that school (I will sub all next week for a lady who teaches Hawaiian Studies, and Bill is going to come in on Tuesday and talk about the history of putting telescopes on Mauna Kea and the need to share the mountaintop with the concerns of Native Hawaiians who consider it sacred, Sierra Club and other groups worried about environmental disturbances, etc.). Wesley John Kealoha Batalona was 48 years old and had served in the army for 20 years before retiring and returning to his home town of Pa'auilo. He joined a security guard service this past February and was sent to Iraq to provide security for the US military. His wife is a hotel maid. In 1981 Bill and I bought 12 acres of hilly, tree-dotted pasture land above the tiny town of Pa'aulio. We built a small cottage out of materials from a torn-down sugar plantation house that was so old the nails we removed were square. We had very little money so we added amenities as we could afford them. For the first year we had an outhouse and hauled drinking water to the site in milk cans. Eventually we had a pool for water catchment, solar panels and a small generator for electricity, and propane bottles to fuel a gas stove and refrigerator. In 1991 some people built a house (without building permits) right on our property-line as close to our home as they could, and organized a rock band that met in their garage several times a week, playing their "music" so loud that our windows and floors vibrated. We sold our little piece of heaven that had become a hell, and moved to Hilo where there are noise laws that can be enforced. Wesley and June Batalona's home was one we drove by in the village every day. Their 20-year-old daughter, Krystal, was one of my students at Laupahoehoe School, and she graduated two years ago. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 4 20:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Apr 4 19:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <20040405010003.9023.19094.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001b01c41ab3$afaf83c0$86f6da0c@mchsi.com> Kitty & Bill, Please convey our condolences to Wesley John Kealoha Batalona's family and friends including you and others in the area of Pa'auilo. I'm sure our feelings are shared by all of us on the list. We all need to pray for those in harms way. Jeanette & I were there 2 years ago and would move there if not for our posterity here. Glenn & Jeanette Wimpee Irvington, Alabama > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 08:46:41 -1000 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > Subject: [Rockhounds] connected world (off topic) > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Hi List, > > Just a note off topic, but to indicate how we are all connected. One of > the four men who were killed in Fallujah, Iraq when their vehicle was > attacked and their burned bodies dragged and hanged....was from the small > town Bill and I lived in for ten years; Pa'auilo, just up the road from > the K-12 school I taught at for many years at Laupahoehoe (which means > "tongue of lava" for the lava peninsula that sticks out into the sea). I > still substitute at that school (I will sub all next week for a lady who > teaches Hawaiian Studies, and Bill is going to come in on Tuesday and talk > about the history of putting telescopes on Mauna Kea and the need to share > the mountaintop with the concerns of Native Hawaiians who consider it > sacred, Sierra Club and other groups worried about environmental > disturbances, etc.). > > Wesley John Kealoha Batalona was 48 years old and had served in the army > for 20 years before retiring and returning to his home town of > Pa'auilo. He joined a security guard service this past February and was > sent to Iraq to provide security for the US military. His wife is a hotel > maid. > > In 1981 Bill and I bought 12 acres of hilly, tree-dotted pasture land above > the tiny town of Pa'aulio. We built a small cottage out of materials from > a torn-down sugar plantation house that was so old the nails we removed > were square. We had very little money so we added amenities as we could > afford them. For the first year we had an outhouse and hauled drinking > water to the site in milk cans. Eventually we had a pool for water > catchment, solar panels and a small generator for electricity, and propane > bottles to fuel a gas stove and refrigerator. In 1991 some people built a > house (without building permits) right on our property-line as close to our > home as they could, and organized a rock band that met in their garage > several times a week, playing their "music" so loud that our windows and > floors vibrated. We sold our little piece of heaven that had become a > hell, and moved to Hilo where there are noise laws that can be enforced. > > Wesley and June Batalona's home was one we drove by in the village every > day. Their 20-year-old daughter, Krystal, was one of my students at > Laupahoehoe School, and she graduated two years ago. > > Aloha, Kitty > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 5 10:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 09:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon Message-ID: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> Could I request a translation? In a message dated 4/3/2004 10:40:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, > fior sure!" > > john Absolutely! I checked with Black Eric, son of Guldar the Bloodthirsty and Eleonida with the Puffy Toes. He agrees that "Sloofv lirpa" is the way to proceed unless you are afraid of needles. In that case you should abandon embroidery and perhaps take up macram=E9. Black Eric wishes you much "chtoop 'ngett oush". Axel (frantically swinging his double bladed cow) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "john" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... > >Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. There > >must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the roads > >without having consulted each other. > >Massive gridlock everywhere... > >The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway would > >be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking > >ship. > >The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD and > >reportedly is in mint condition. > >I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go and > >have a look for themselves" ;-)))) > >As if we haven't enough traffic jams... > > > >Axel > > > > > > > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, > fior sure!" > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 5 12:22:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Mon Apr 5 11:22:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon In-Reply-To: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> References: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> Message-ID: <4071A3DA.8070803@earthlink.net> Hammerron@aol.com wrote: >Could I request a translation? > This is the result of a lithium overdose. Too much time in a pegmatite dike will do this to your mind :) Peace, dave > > >In a message dated 4/3/2004 10:40:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > > >>As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, >>fior sure!" >> >>john >> >> > >Absolutely! >I checked with Black Eric, son of Guldar the Bloodthirsty and Eleonida with >the Puffy Toes. >He agrees that "Sloofv lirpa" is the way to proceed unless you are afraid of >needles. In that case you should abandon embroidery and perhaps take up >macramé. >Black Eric wishes you much "chtoop 'ngett oush". > >Axel (frantically swinging his double bladed cow) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:05 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon > > > > >>Axel Emmermann wrote: >> >> >> >>>The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... >>>Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. >>> >>> >There > > >>>must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the >>> >>> >roads > > >>>without having consulted each other. >>>Massive gridlock everywhere... >>>The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway >>> >>> >would > > >>>be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking >>>ship. >>>The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD >>> >>> >and > > >>>reportedly is in mint condition. >>>I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go >>> >>> >and > > >>>have a look for themselves" ;-)))) >>>As if we haven't enough traffic jams... >>> >>>Axel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, >>fior sure!" >> >>john >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 5 21:01:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:01:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Nevada Collecting Message-ID: <12d.3e167f82.2da37747@aol.com> Try these interesting website for information: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Waucoba/elko/elko.html and http://mywebpage.netscape.com/salinevalley2/br/bullrun.html T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 09:00:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Apr 6 08:00:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] off topic World's largest Diamond found in Oregon References: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c41be7$b0224dd0$6402a8c0@axel> Absolutely Sloofv lirpa = cross-stitch chtoop 'ngett oush = literally "may your opponents offer you much of their intestins to work with"... this implies that you can, in macramé, knot your enemies intestins instead of colored rope. The expiration date of you artwork thereby becomes largely dependent on the climat, pre-mortem healt-condition of the slain enemy, his last meal, and the question: "how good is your Airwick really?". How did we get here?..... Oh yes, april 1st.... Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon Could I request a translation? In a message dated 4/3/2004 10:40:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, > fior sure!" > > john Absolutely! I checked with Black Eric, son of Guldar the Bloodthirsty and Eleonida with the Puffy Toes. He agrees that "Sloofv lirpa" is the way to proceed unless you are afraid of needles. In that case you should abandon embroidery and perhaps take up macramé. Black Eric wishes you much "chtoop 'ngett oush". Axel (frantically swinging his double bladed cow) ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... > >Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. There > >must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the roads > >without having consulted each other. > >Massive gridlock everywhere... > >The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway would > >be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking > >ship. > >The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD and > >reportedly is in mint condition. > >I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go and > >have a look for themselves" ;-)))) > >As if we haven't enough traffic jams... > > > >Axel > > > > > > > As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, > fior sure!" > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 09:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Apr 6 08:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Looking for some temporary help Message-ID: Greets, y'all. I'm looking for a volunteer to help run the list for approximately 2 weeks or so. Duties consist of logging on about every day to the Mailman site, deleting spam, forwarding the occasional bounce message, and adding/subtracting users as need be. The interface is web-based, so all you really need is an internet connection. The reason? I'm having major knee surgery at the end of the month, and will probably not be able to make it into school for about 2 weeks afterwards. I'll have my laptop at home, but dialup from there almost never works (the house and associated wiring is ancient, and I can almost never get a connection through). If you're willing, and are reasonably computer-saavy (i.e. the idea of learning web-based mailing list software isn't too daunting), drop me an email off-line at (afox@drizzle.com). Thanks! Aaron -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 12:23:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Apr 6 11:23:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) Message-ID: Anybody help this bloke out? TIA a. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:18:32 -0400 From: "Fitzgerald, Donald" To: afox@drizzle.com Subject: Hello...Donald May I please ask you a great favor if you could provide me with the name of a gem and/or mineral club in Connecticut (where I live) or New York City. I am an adult and would like to pursue this interest. Also, I had heard that Phoenix, Arizona has a spectacular gem show each winter. Gems, rocks and minerals are of interest to me, but I have not had time to follow that interest until now. Perhaps there is a publication you might know of as well. Thank you so much and there is no rush on this request. Donald From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 12:36:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Tue Apr 6 11:36:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4072F880.30409@earthlink.net> Aaron Fox wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:18:32 -0400 >From: "Fitzgerald, Donald" >To: afox@drizzle.com >Subject: Hello...Donald > > May I please ask you a great favor if you could provide me with the >name of a gem and/or mineral club in Connecticut (where I live) or New >York City. I am an adult and would like to pursue this interest. Also, >I had heard that Phoenix, Arizona has a spectacular gem show each winter. >Gems, rocks and minerals are of interest to me, but I have not had time >to follow that interest until now. Perhaps there is a publication you >might know of as well. > > Thank you so much and there is no rush on this request. > > Donald > > Hello Donald, Here is the address of a group. The "core" members are all from your area. They are very helpful and knowledgeable. http://groups.msn.com/rocksmineralscollectingtrading Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 13:15:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Apr 6 12:15:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) Message-ID: the Franklin Ogdensburg mineral society is not too terribly far from there and there are some great collecting opportunities still to be had on the dumps in that area. Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 13:16:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Tue Apr 6 12:16:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Donald, Lots of clubs in the NYC and Connecticut area. Check out the Eastern Federation website at for a listing and contact information. Phoenix does have a gem and mineral show, but the BIG confab is held in Tucson each year beginning in late January and running until the middle of February when the spectacular club show occurs. You'll find lots of info on this gathering at Bob's Rockshop and by doing a Google search. Carolyn Weinberger EFMLS Editor On Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 02:22 PM, Aaron Fox wrote: > Anybody help this bloke out? TIA > > a. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:18:32 -0400 > From: "Fitzgerald, Donald" > To: afox@drizzle.com > Subject: Hello...Donald > > May I please ask you a great favor if you could provide me with the > name of a gem and/or mineral club in Connecticut (where I live) or New > York City. I am an adult and would like to pursue this interest. > Also, > I had heard that Phoenix, Arizona has a spectacular gem show each > winter. > Gems, rocks and minerals are of interest to me, but I have not had time > to follow that interest until now. Perhaps there is a publication you > might know of as well. > > Thank you so much and there is no rush on this request. > > Donald > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 14:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rick Trapp) Date: Tue Apr 6 13:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40730E45.3060702@azgs.az.gov> Uh, I'm not sure that this person belongs to this list. The original email was directed to Aaron at drizzle.com. This is good info for the list as well, but you might want to cc: to him at his email Donald.Fitzgerald@haledorr.com Carolyn & Steve Weinberger wrote: > Donald, > > Lots of clubs in the NYC and Connecticut area. > > Check out the Eastern Federation website at for > a listing and contact information. > > Phoenix does have a gem and mineral show, but the BIG confab is held > in Tucson each year beginning in late January and running until the > middle of February when the spectacular club show occurs. > > You'll find lots of info on this gathering at Bob's Rockshop and by > doing a Google search. > > Carolyn Weinberger > EFMLS Editor > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 02:22 PM, Aaron Fox wrote: > >> Anybody help this bloke out? TIA >> >> a. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:18:32 -0400 >> From: "Fitzgerald, Donald" >> To: afox@drizzle.com >> Subject: Hello...Donald >> >> May I please ask you a great favor if you could provide me with the >> name of a gem and/or mineral club in Connecticut (where I live) or New >> York City. I am an adult and would like to pursue this interest. Also, >> I had heard that Phoenix, Arizona has a spectacular gem show each >> winter. >> Gems, rocks and minerals are of interest to me, but I have not had time >> to follow that interest until now. Perhaps there is a publication you >> might know of as well. >> >> Thank you so much and there is no rush on this request. >> >> Donald >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 6 14:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Apr 6 13:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) Message-ID: Another forward. I'm emailing the gentleman about joining the group... a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:47:21 -0400 From: "Fitzgerald, Donald" To: Aaron Fox Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) Hi, Dave: You sure have magic - whatever you did, a really nice guy in Guilford, Connecticut just e-mailed me to see his mineral collection of 40 years - you guys are wonderful - you made my day. Guilford is not far for me at all. And another fellow contacted me as well, Rick Trapp. I am so impressed to hear from you and these nice people so quickly. What great guys you all are. I just can't get over how quickly you hooked me up with collectors. I'm just trilled.... Thanks, Dave. I really appreciate it. Donald -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Fox [mailto:afox@drizzle.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:44 PM To: Fitzgerald, Donald Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hello...Donald (fwd) Hello Donald, Here is the address of a group. The "core" members are all from your area. They are very helpful and knowledgeable. http://groups.msn.com/rocksmineralscollectingtrading Peace, dave _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 07:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike@colellaphoto.com) Date: Wed Apr 7 06:33:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Collecting in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Making a trip to Vegas in a few weeks and will have a couple days to collect.Could anyone recommend any collecting spots around that part of NV or say within 100 miles. Not really interested in fossils. Thanks Mike Cell 301-520-9195 Mail: mike@colellaphoto.com Web: http://colellaphoto.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 08:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Apr 7 07:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting story References: Message-ID: <004e01c41cac$027b3c80$248d4c0c@fekib> Things look a little slow on the list; maybe a "collecting" story will = fill in.........Larry Rush =20 Back in the mid-eighties, I used to attend a rock swap that was very = well attended, usually drawing 30 or so traders and dozens of = "walk-ins". This was held outside and the weather usually was sunny and = warm. On one particularly hot week-end, the swap wound down early on = Sunday afternoon, and being dry and dusty, and having a 4 hour drive = home ahead of us, we broke down early, and just as I was packing the = last of the gear into the wagon, a lean, weathered older man came up to = me and said, "Here, I want you to have this". He thrust a round, heavy, = crusty-looking mass of what looked like dirt into my hand, and said, "I = got this in the mine over in Pierrepont" (W.Pierrepont, NY, a zinc = mine) . As he started to walk away, I called to him and told him = (uncertainly) that, if he would wait, I would unpack a few boxes and = find something to trade him in return. He just kept walking, so I tossed = the ball into a corner of the trunk, and we finished packing and drove = off. =20 A couple of weeks later, I noticed the mass lying in the trunk, where it = had been rolling around un-noticed, and took it into the garage, where = it further lay for several more weeks. By this time it had dried out and = really looked crummy, dropping flakes of dried mud on the bench. As I = got ready to toss it onto the stone wall, to join the thousands of = "prize" rocks we had collected in our travels, I noticed that it showed = a small bright gleam of golden color where the dirt had flaked away. So = I took it back to the garage, and dropped it into a bucket of warm, = soapy water. The next day, it showed some more intriguing gleams of = color, so I changed the water, and soaked it again. This went on for = about a week, when I realized that it really was a ball of pyrite = crystals, and the gleams were reflecting off of hundreds of small = crystal faces, each one perfect and bright. After a long period of = soaking and scrubbing, and picking out the last bits of clay from the = small spaces around the crystal faces with a dental pick, I was = astounded to realize that this was a wonderfully bright, perfectly round = four inch ball of beautiful small pyrite crystals, each gleaming as if = newly formed. There was no point of attachment showing anywhere, and no = matrix, a great mineral oddity and a perfect coffee-table conversation = piece! =20 For the next few years that we attended the same swap, I kept looking = for the miner, so that I could thank him and re-pay him with something = he might like as a trade, but I never saw him again. I have since = learned that there were a couple of clay pockets hit that year at the = mine that contained these balls, and none found since. They are = considered quite a choice specimen around here, and I consider myself = fortunate to have this one, notwithstanding the way it came to me, and = the somewhat disgraceful way I originally treated it! www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.MineralsToTrade.homestead.com =20 =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 09:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Wed Apr 7 08:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] off topic World's largest Diamond found in Oregon In-Reply-To: <000b01c41be7$b0224dd0$6402a8c0@axel> References: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> <000b01c41be7$b0224dd0$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <4074171C.8070703@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >Absolutely > >Sloofv lirpa = cross-stitch >chtoop 'ngett oush = literally "may your opponents offer you much of their >intestins to work with"... this implies that you can, in macramé, knot your >enemies intestins instead of colored rope. The expiration date of you >artwork thereby becomes largely dependent on the climat, pre-mortem >healt-condition of the slain enemy, his last meal, and the question: "how >good is your Airwick really?". > >How did we get here?..... Oh yes, april 1st.... > >Cheers > > > >Could I request a translation? > > >In a message dated 4/3/2004 10:40:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > > >>As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, >>fior sure!" >> >>john >> >> > >Absolutely! >I checked with Black Eric, son of Guldar the Bloodthirsty and Eleonida with >the Puffy Toes. >He agrees that "Sloofv lirpa" is the way to proceed unless you are afraid of >needles. In that case you should abandon embroidery and perhaps take up >macramé. >Black Eric wishes you much "chtoop 'ngett oush". > >Axel (frantically swinging his double bladed cow) > > > > >>Axel Emmermann wrote: >> >> >> >>>The Belgian National TV (Flemish) came with a nice one... >>>Antwerp, where I live, has been turned into a giant construction pit. >>> >>> >There must be 17 different government organizations having work done one the roads without having consulted each other. Massive gridlock everywhere... >The joke for this April 1st was that the works on the Antwerp ringway would be delayed by at least 6 months because a digging crew had found a Viking ship. >The "snek" or "drakkar", as we call those over here, dates from 840 AD and reportedly is in mint condition. I got a little suspicious when the new anchor invited the public to "go and have a look for themselves" ;-)))) >As if we haven't enough traffic jams... > >Axel > >... > >As Lars RedChest, son of Erik the RedBeard would say: "Sloofv lirpa, >fior sure!" > >john > > Methinks that this is in danger of spilling out of the beer hall and into the Hall of Anthropology... Don't laugh. Stranger things than that have happened recently. But I think the translation is a bit off. I take it as: "I found it. Really! Can I help it if the gods faceted it into a gem that looks like the one taken from The Big Cheese!" You see, the allusion to stitching and knotting is really a hidden reference to facets, and the attributions to "Blah-blah the Red" denote the color of the mineral in question. "Puffy toes" must be the prongs that hold the gem to (a ring?). Unfortunately our dictionary is too sparse at this point to say much more. The "drakkar" may be a "red herring". (Maybe not, though. It was April 1 and not May 1). john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 09:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Wed Apr 7 08:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's largest Diamond found in Oregon In-Reply-To: <4071A3DA.8070803@earthlink.net> References: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> <4071A3DA.8070803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40741922.6050805@hal-pc.org> Dave Guin wrote: > Hammerron@aol.com wrote: > >> Could I request a translation? >> > This is the result of a lithium overdose. Too much time in a > pegmatite dike will do this to your mind :) > > Peace, > dave Yay for dave! Right now a week or two chipping at ANY coarse pegmatite would be welcome. Let's see, now here did I put that Lepidolite... john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 11:20:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Apr 7 10:20:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] off topic World's largest Diamond found in Oregon References: <55.54171771.2da2e54f@aol.com> <000b01c41be7$b0224dd0$6402a8c0@axel> <4074171C.8070703@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <000d01c41cc4$7c550190$6402a8c0@axel> >Methinks that this is in danger of spilling out of the beer hall and >into the Hall of Anthropology... Don't laugh. Stranger things than that have happened >recently. Methinks we better leave it at this or methinks we might see the insides of another kind of hall, strapped in a garment with long sleeves and put in a padded cel with lots of cold showers ;-))))) Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 17:48:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Apr 7 16:48:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Temp Admin Message-ID: Bob Loeffler [bobl@peaktopeak.com] (as well as a lot of the rest of you!) has volunteered and been appointed: Temporary Grand High Mailing List Poohba. He'll be handling bounces and lost subscriber requests. Thanks to all that replied; I appreciate it! And, FYI, I'm having an arthroscopic cleanout, a microfracture to encourage scar cartilage growth, a patellar realignment (hoping for soft-tissue only, but may go into a TTT with screws and relocated tendons), and repair of a possible ACL tear. Sigh. Knees are really poorly designed. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 21:43:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Apr 7 20:43:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) nevada Message-ID: <1ed.1d7913c5.2da62415@aol.com> You might try the mines dumps of the following: Mines of Clark County, Nevada Accident Mine Goodsprings Mining District Addison Mine Goodsprings Mining District named for Addison Bybee Alamo Copper Frenchman Mtn, was Johnny Stump Alunite Alunite 2 miles west of Boulder City, Alunite Mining District Anderson Gypsum W of Overton east side of Weiser Ridge Apex 26 miles NW of Las Vegas, Apex Mining District April Fool Mine Gold Fourth of July Mountain, 3 miles SE of Searchlight Arden Gypsum, silican sand Arden Mining District 5 miles west of Arden in Spring Mountains Argentina Gold Goodsprings Azure Ridge Zinc, Copper, Gold, Silver Gold Butte Bard Bard Mining District bet. Arden & Jean Barefoot Boy Goodsprings Mining District Barnard Gold Eldorado Bean Pot Gold Alunite Mining District, also called Blue Quartz Belmont Ridge Gold Gold Butte Bennett Copper Gold Butte Berlock Searchight Big Casino Searchlight Big Muddy Mining District near Overton Big Thing Gold Butte Bill Nye Goodsprings Black Jack Gold, Copper Gold Butte Black Mountain Gold south of Alunite District Blue Diamond Blue Diamond Blue Jay Goodsprings Blue Quartz Gold Alunite Mining District, also called Bean Pot, south end of Bishop Mtn Bonanza Also called Root Bonelli Zinc, Copper, Gold, Silver Gold Butte Boss Mine Platinum Goodsprings Mining District-Platina Bronzell Copper St. Thomas Buillion Gold Goodsprings Bunkerville Mining District Gold, Lead, Copper 5 miles south of Bunkerville, also known as Great Eastern Buster Lode Gold Searchlight-Eldorado Calico Salt Mine Salt now under Lake Mead west of Virgin River Capitol Hill Mine 6 miles SE of Nelson Cedar Basin Mining District south of Gold Butte 1904 Chaquita Mine south of Goodsprings, 1900 Charleston Mining District 30 miles west of Las Vegas in Spring Mountains Chicago Girl Copper Gold Butte Christmas Mine Potosi Mining District Cleopatra Manganese found by Bonelli in Black Mountains Colorado Mining District Gold & Silver Eldorado Canyon in Opal Mountains, 24 miles NE of Searchlight Columbia Mine Between Jean & Sandy Contact East slope of Potosi Mountain Copper King Copper 15 miles south of Bunkerville, Great Eastern Mining District Crescent Mine Lead-Zinc Goodsprings Crescent Mining District 6 miles east of Nipton, CA on west flank of Crescent Peak Cyrus Noble Gold Searchlight Mining District, east side of Piute Valley Czarina Mine Mica SW of St Thomas near NV-AZ border now under Lake Mead Dawn Mine Potosi Mining District Dike Mining District Lead DYKE, NE of Las Vegas Double Up Mine east slope of Potosi Mountain AKA Double Up Mountain Duplex Mine Gold, Silver, Lead on Duplex Hill in Searchlight Eldorado City Gold Eldorado Mining District Eureka Gold Gold Butte Esperanta Claim Zinc, Copper, Gold, Silver Gold Butte Fairview Salt west of Virgin River and SE of Calico Salt Mine now under Lake Mead Flatiron Mining District on west side of a dry lake in Eldorado Valley Four Aces Mine Gold Butte Frenchman Mine SW flank of Frenchman Mountain Gass Peak Mining District Gold, silver, zinc on Gass Peak 18 miles north of Las Vegas Gettysburg Mine Gold Eldorado Canyon, 1861 Gold Butte Mining District Mica, Gold West of Voight Well in Virgin Mountains Golden Empire Gold Nelson Goodsprings Mining District Gold, Silver, Lead 8 miles NW of Jean Great Eastern Mine Gold Great Eastern Mining District south of Bunkerville, 1902 Great Eastern Mining District Copper, Gold also known as Copper King, Key West and Bunkerville. 15 Miles south of Bunkerville Green Monster Mine Potosi Mining District Happy Jack Mine Gold mile north of Tramp Mine in Gold Butte Mining District Heizersegerstrom Prospect Gold Gold Butte Homestake 2 miles west of Boulder City, Alunite Mining Districtnear Bullhead Canyon Honest Miner Gold Eldorado Canyon, 1861, 24 miles NE of Searchlight Hoodoo Goodsprings Hoosier Goodsprings Houghton Goodsprings Ireland Goodsprings Iron Gold Gold Goodsprings Ivanpah Mining District Silver SW Clark County Jean Mining District Jean Jet Mine Searchlight Johnny Stump Copper Frenchman Mountain, renamed Alamo Joker Mine SE of Gold Bute on edge of Scanlon Wash near Colorado River Jumbo Gold, Copper Gold Butte June Bug Mine Lead, Silver Gass Peak Mining District, north flank of Gass Peak Key West Mine Gold, Silver, Copper south of Bunkerville, Great Eastern Mining District Keystone Mine Goodsprings Mining District Kirby Mine Potosi Mining District, named for John A. Kirby Lake Shore Gold, Iron, Copper Gold Butte Las Vegas Mining District Lead King Mine Lead Dike Mining District, 15 miles NE of LV Lincoln Goodsprings Logan Mining District Copper, Silver 26 miles SE of Moapa also called Muddy Mtn and St Thomas Lookout Goodsprings Lost Breyfogle Mine Gold E of Death Valley 1864 Lost Gunsight Mine Gold near Indian Springs Lost Mormon Mine Gold Somewhere in the McCullough Range Lucky Dutchman Alunite Alunite Mining District Lucky Jim Gold old mine in Eldorado Mining District during Civil War Lucky Strike Mine Lead on west side of Spring Mountains south of Deer Creek Lucy Grey 1905 in Lucy Grey Mining District Lucy Grey Mining District 15 miles SE of Jean also called Sunset or Lyons Lyons Mining District 15 miles SE of Jean also called Sunset or Lucy Grey Manganese Mining District Manganese 15 miles SW of Las Vegas Milford Goodsprings Minerva Gold Eldorado Moapa Mining District Gypsum SE of Moapa Mocking Bird Mine Gold Eldorado Canyon Mountain Top Goodsprings Muddy Mountains Mining District Copper, Silver 26 miles SE of Moapa also called St Thomas and Logan Nevada Eagle Nelson New Era Goodsprings New Year Lake Gold Fourth of July Mountain SE of Searchlight New Year Mine Potosi Mining District Ninetynine Mine Potosi Mining District Nymph Gold Eldorado Oro Amigo Goodsprings Oro Plata Gold Nelson Pauline Goodsprings Phoebe Gold Eldorado Pilgrim Goodsprings Potosi Mine Lead, Silver on west side of Potosi Mountain, Goodsprings Mining District also called Comet Potosi Mining District Gold, Silver, Zinc, Platinum, copper, palladium, cobalt, nickel, radium and antimony. Goodsprings Mining District Prairie Flower Goodsprings Puetz Goodsprings Quaker City Gold Nelson Quartz King Copper Gold Butte Queen Bee Gold Eldorado Radio Crystal Mine Lead, Zinc, Silver Eldorado Rand Claim Gold Nelson Red Bird Gold Searchlight Red Cloud Goodsprings Rexradio Gold Eldorado-Searchlight Rich Hill Nelson Rockefeller bet. Nelson & Cottonwood Root Also called Bonanza St Louis Bet Nelson & Cottonwood St Thomas Mining District Copper, Silver 15 miles SE of Moapa also called Muddy Mtns and Logan Salt Point Salt 3 miles south of St Thomas, also called Salvation Salt Deposit Salvation Salt Deposit Salt 3 miles south of St Thomas Savage Vein Gold in Techatticup Mine, Eldorado Mining District Shenandoah Mine Potosi Mining District Silver Legion Gold Searchlight-Eldorado Snowflake Mica Gold Butte Solar Nelson Solo Joker Mine Gold Butte Spearhead Alunite Mining District Sulton Goodsprings Sunset Mining District 15 miles SE Jean also called Lyons or Lucy Grey Swickard Mines Searchlight Techatticup Mine Gold Eldorado Mining District Tramp Copper Gold Butte Tramp Miner Copper Gold Butte Treasure Hawk Gold, Copper, Lead, Zinc, Silver Old Radio Crystal Mine Utah Claim Gold Gold Butte Valentine Goodsprings Victor Gold Eldorado Vincent Vincent Mining District; Alunite Mining District Wall Street Mine Gold Eldorado Mining District Whale Goodsprings Windmill Mine Gold? Gold Butte Yellow Pine Mine Silver, Lead Goodsprings Mining District located in Porphyry Gultch Yellow Pine Mining District Gold, Silver, Zinc Goodsprings Mining District T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 22:04:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Wed Apr 7 21:04:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) nevada In-Reply-To: <1ed.1d7913c5.2da62415@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040407235744.01efd6f0@po2.bbn.com> Hmmmm.......an impressive list which might warrant some prioritizing by such factors as a) liklihood of success at collecting b) liklihood of not getting shot for trespass ;-) etc Nate Martin At 11:42 PM 4/7/2004, you wrote: >You might try the mines dumps of the following: >Mines of Clark County, Nevada > >Accident Mine Goodsprings Mining District >Addison Mine Goodsprings Mining District named for Addison Bybee >Alamo Copper Frenchman Mtn, was Johnny Stump >Alunite Alunite 2 miles west of Boulder City, Alunite Mining District >Anderson Gypsum W of Overton east side of Weiser Ridge >Apex 26 miles NW of Las Vegas, Apex Mining District >April Fool Mine Gold Fourth of July Mountain, 3 miles SE of Searchlight >Arden Gypsum, silican sand Arden Mining District 5 miles west of Arden >in Spring Mountains >Argentina Gold Goodsprings >Azure Ridge Zinc, Copper, Gold, Silver Gold Butte >Bard Bard Mining District bet. Arden & Jean >Barefoot Boy Goodsprings Mining District >Barnard Gold Eldorado >Bean Pot Gold Alunite Mining District, also called Blue Quartz >Belmont Ridge Gold Gold Butte >Bennett Copper Gold Butte >Berlock Searchight >Big Casino Searchlight >Big Muddy Mining District near Overton >Big Thing Gold Butte >Bill Nye Goodsprings >Black Jack Gold, Copper Gold Butte >Black Mountain Gold south of Alunite District >Blue Diamond Blue Diamond >Blue Jay Goodsprings >Blue Quartz Gold Alunite Mining District, also called Bean Pot, south end >of Bishop Mtn >Bonanza Also called Root >Bonelli Zinc, Copper, Gold, Silver Gold Butte >Boss Mine Platinum Goodsprings Mining District-Platina >Bronzell Copper St. Thomas >Buillion Gold Goodsprings >Bunkerville Mining District Gold, Lead, Copper 5 miles south of Bunkerville, >also known as Great Eastern >Buster Lode Gold Searchlight-Eldorado >Calico Salt Mine Salt now under Lake Mead west of Virgin River >Capitol Hill Mine 6 miles SE of Nelson >Cedar Basin Mining District south of Gold Butte 1904 >Chaquita Mine south of Goodsprings, 1900 >Charleston Mining District 30 miles west of Las Vegas in Spring >Mountains >Chicago Girl Copper Gold Butte >Christmas Mine Potosi Mining District >Cleopatra Manganese found by Bonelli in Black Mountains >Colorado Mining District Gold & Silver Eldorado Canyon in Opal >Mountains, 24 miles NE of Searchlight >Columbia Mine Between Jean & Sandy >Contact East slope of Potosi Mountain >Copper King Copper 15 miles south of Bunkerville, Great Eastern Mining >District >Crescent Mine Lead-Zinc Goodsprings >Crescent Mining District 6 miles east of Nipton, CA on west flank of >Crescent Peak >Cyrus Noble Gold Searchlight Mining District, east side of Piute Valley >Czarina Mine Mica SW of St Thomas near NV-AZ border now under Lake Mead >Dawn Mine Potosi Mining District >Dike Mining District Lead DYKE, NE of Las Vegas >Double Up Mine east slope of Potosi Mountain AKA Double Up Mountain >Duplex Mine Gold, Silver, Lead on Duplex Hill in Searchlight >Eldorado City Gold Eldorado Mining District >Eureka Gold Gold Butte >Esperanta Claim Zinc, Copper, Gold, Silver Gold Butte >Fairview Salt west of Virgin River and SE of Calico Salt Mine now under >Lake Mead >Flatiron Mining District on west side of a dry lake in Eldorado Valley >Four Aces Mine Gold Butte >Frenchman Mine SW flank of Frenchman Mountain >Gass Peak Mining District Gold, silver, zinc on Gass Peak 18 miles north >of Las Vegas >Gettysburg Mine Gold Eldorado Canyon, 1861 >Gold Butte Mining District Mica, Gold West of Voight Well in Virgin >Mountains >Golden Empire Gold Nelson >Goodsprings Mining District Gold, Silver, Lead 8 miles NW of Jean >Great Eastern Mine Gold Great Eastern Mining District south of >Bunkerville, 1902 >Great Eastern Mining District Copper, Gold also known as Copper King, >Key West and Bunkerville. 15 Miles south of Bunkerville >Green Monster Mine Potosi Mining District >Happy Jack Mine Gold mile north of Tramp Mine in Gold Butte Mining >District >Heizersegerstrom Prospect Gold Gold Butte >Homestake 2 miles west of Boulder City, Alunite Mining Districtnear >Bullhead Canyon >Honest Miner Gold Eldorado Canyon, 1861, 24 miles NE of Searchlight >Hoodoo Goodsprings >Hoosier Goodsprings >Houghton Goodsprings >Ireland Goodsprings >Iron Gold Gold Goodsprings >Ivanpah Mining District Silver SW Clark County >Jean Mining District Jean >Jet Mine Searchlight >Johnny Stump Copper Frenchman Mountain, renamed Alamo >Joker Mine SE of Gold Bute on edge of Scanlon Wash near Colorado River >Jumbo Gold, Copper Gold Butte >June Bug Mine Lead, Silver Gass Peak Mining District, north flank of >Gass Peak >Key West Mine Gold, Silver, Copper south of Bunkerville, Great Eastern >Mining District >Keystone Mine Goodsprings Mining District >Kirby Mine Potosi Mining District, named for John A. Kirby >Lake Shore Gold, Iron, Copper Gold Butte >Las Vegas Mining District >Lead King Mine Lead Dike Mining District, 15 miles NE of LV >Lincoln Goodsprings >Logan Mining District Copper, Silver 26 miles SE of Moapa also called >Muddy Mtn and St Thomas >Lookout Goodsprings >Lost Breyfogle Mine Gold E of Death Valley 1864 >Lost Gunsight Mine Gold near Indian Springs >Lost Mormon Mine Gold Somewhere in the McCullough Range >Lucky Dutchman Alunite Alunite Mining District >Lucky Jim Gold old mine in Eldorado Mining District during Civil War >Lucky Strike Mine Lead on west side of Spring Mountains south of Deer >Creek >Lucy Grey 1905 in Lucy Grey Mining District >Lucy Grey Mining District 15 miles SE of Jean also called Sunset or >Lyons >Lyons Mining District 15 miles SE of Jean also called Sunset or Lucy >Grey >Manganese Mining District Manganese 15 miles SW of Las Vegas >Milford Goodsprings >Minerva Gold Eldorado >Moapa Mining District Gypsum SE of Moapa >Mocking Bird Mine Gold Eldorado Canyon >Mountain Top Goodsprings >Muddy Mountains Mining District Copper, Silver 26 miles SE of Moapa also >called St Thomas and Logan >Nevada Eagle Nelson >New Era Goodsprings >New Year Lake Gold Fourth of July Mountain SE of Searchlight >New Year Mine Potosi Mining District >Ninetynine Mine Potosi Mining District >Nymph Gold Eldorado >Oro Amigo Goodsprings >Oro Plata Gold Nelson >Pauline Goodsprings >Phoebe Gold Eldorado >Pilgrim Goodsprings >Potosi Mine Lead, Silver on west side of Potosi Mountain, Goodsprings >Mining District also called Comet >Potosi Mining District Gold, Silver, Zinc, >Platinum, copper, >palladium, cobalt, >nickel, radium and >antimony. Goodsprings Mining District >Prairie Flower Goodsprings >Puetz Goodsprings >Quaker City Gold Nelson >Quartz King Copper Gold Butte >Queen Bee Gold Eldorado >Radio Crystal Mine Lead, Zinc, Silver Eldorado >Rand Claim Gold Nelson >Red Bird Gold Searchlight >Red Cloud Goodsprings >Rexradio Gold Eldorado-Searchlight >Rich Hill Nelson >Rockefeller bet. Nelson & Cottonwood >Root Also called Bonanza >St Louis Bet Nelson & Cottonwood >St Thomas Mining District Copper, Silver 15 miles SE of Moapa also called >Muddy Mtns and Logan >Salt Point Salt 3 miles south of St Thomas, also called Salvation Salt >Deposit >Salvation Salt Deposit Salt 3 miles south of St Thomas >Savage Vein Gold in Techatticup Mine, Eldorado Mining District >Shenandoah Mine Potosi Mining District >Silver Legion Gold Searchlight-Eldorado >Snowflake Mica Gold Butte >Solar Nelson >Solo Joker Mine Gold Butte >Spearhead Alunite Mining District >Sulton Goodsprings >Sunset Mining District 15 miles SE Jean also called Lyons or Lucy Grey >Swickard Mines Searchlight >Techatticup Mine Gold Eldorado Mining District >Tramp Copper Gold Butte >Tramp Miner Copper Gold Butte >Treasure Hawk Gold, Copper, Lead, Zinc, Silver Old Radio Crystal Mine >Utah Claim Gold Gold Butte >Valentine Goodsprings >Victor Gold Eldorado >Vincent Vincent Mining District; Alunite Mining District >Wall Street Mine Gold Eldorado Mining District >Whale Goodsprings >Windmill Mine Gold? Gold Butte >Yellow Pine Mine Silver, Lead Goodsprings Mining District located in >Porphyry Gultch >Yellow Pine Mining District Gold, Silver, Zinc Goodsprings Mining District > >T. McGinnis From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 7 23:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Apr 7 22:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) nevada Message-ID: <8b.7c2d85a.2da63dc9@aol.com> I haven't collected there in 30 years but when i did,I foulnd some luck on=20 the mine dumps around the Goodsprings Nevada area whish is west of las Vegas= . Alice mine has Aurichalcite located at Map Reference: 35=B050'31"N, 115=B029= '47"W=20 =20 Blue Copper Mine has Chrysocolla=20 Columbia Mine has Heterogenite located at Map Reference: 35=B049'14"N,=20 115=B028'29"W =20 Green Monster Mine has Boltwoodite, Dolomite, Dumontite, Hemimorphite and=20 Kasolite=20 Middlesex Mine has Galena located at Map Reference: 35=B051'N, 115=B029'W =20 Prairie Flower Mine has Anglesite, Aragonite, Beaverite, Calcite,=20 Descloizite, Galena, Hemimorphite, Hydrozincite, Mimetite, Plumbojarosite M= ap Reference:=20 35=B050'N, 115=B026'W=20 Yellow Pine Mine has Anglesite, Aurichalcite, Cerussite, Cuprian Descloizite= ,=20 Hemimorphite, Heterogenite, Hydrozincite, Jarosite, Linarite, Malachite,=20 Orthoclase, Plattnerite, Pyromorphite, Rosasite Smithsonite, Stibnite locate= d at=20 Map Reference: 35=B051'1"N, 115=B029'39"W Of course ownership and permission changes all of the time so I'd check=20 locally. Gem Trails of Nevada shows a couple sites near Las Vegas but I've been told=20 that accuracy is a problem with the locations. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 06:31:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike@colellaphoto.com) Date: Thu Apr 8 05:31:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) Nevada In-Reply-To: <8b.7c2d85a.2da63dc9@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks all, for the info on Nevada collecting, I think we'll be able to find a spot or 2. Mike Michael J. Colella Colella Photography 2806 Jennings Rd. Kensington, MD 20895 Studio 301-942-2853 Cell 301-520-9195 Mail: mike@colellaphoto.com Web: http://colellaphoto.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 08:50:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Thu Apr 8 07:50:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) nevada Message-ID: <7639743.1081435744267.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Have been in this area last fall. You will need 4X4 high clearance to get to these mine dumps the roads are in very poor shape. Cliff Jackson -----Original Message----- From: MCGINNISG@aol.com Sent: Apr 7, 2004 10:31 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) nevada I haven't collected there in 30 years but when i did,I foulnd some luck on the mine dumps around the Goodsprings Nevada area whish is west of las Vegas. Alice mine has Aurichalcite located at Map Reference: 35°50'31"N, 115°29'47"W Blue Copper Mine has Chrysocolla Columbia Mine has Heterogenite located at Map Reference: 35°49'14"N, 115°28'29"W Green Monster Mine has Boltwoodite, Dolomite, Dumontite, Hemimorphite and Kasolite Middlesex Mine has Galena located at Map Reference: 35°51'N, 115°29'W Prairie Flower Mine has Anglesite, Aragonite, Beaverite, Calcite, Descloizite, Galena, Hemimorphite, Hydrozincite, Mimetite, Plumbojarosite Map Reference: 35°50'N, 115°26'W Yellow Pine Mine has Anglesite, Aurichalcite, Cerussite, Cuprian Descloizite, Hemimorphite, Heterogenite, Hydrozincite, Jarosite, Linarite, Malachite, Orthoclase, Plattnerite, Pyromorphite, Rosasite Smithsonite, Stibnite located at Map Reference: 35°51'1"N, 115°29'39"W Of course ownership and permission changes all of the time so I'd check locally. Gem Trails of Nevada shows a couple sites near Las Vegas but I've been told that accuracy is a problem with the locations. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 08:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Thu Apr 8 07:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas (lost wages) nevada In-Reply-To: <8b.7c2d85a.2da63dc9@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040408102726.024298d0@po2.bbn.com> Thanks for the information about these sites - you clearly keep good collecting notes! Nate Martin Lexington, MA At 01:31 AM 4/8/2004, you wrote: >I haven't collected there in 30 years but when i did,I foulnd some luck on >the mine dumps around the Goodsprings Nevada area whish is west of las Vegas. > >Alice mine has Aurichalcite located at Map Reference: 35°50'31"N, 115°29'47"W > > >Blue Copper Mine has Chrysocolla > >Columbia Mine has Heterogenite located at Map Reference: 35°49'14"N, >115°28'29"W > >Green Monster Mine has Boltwoodite, Dolomite, Dumontite, Hemimorphite and >Kasolite > >Middlesex Mine has Galena located at Map Reference: 35°51'N, 115°29'W >Prairie Flower Mine has Anglesite, Aragonite, Beaverite, Calcite, >Descloizite, Galena, Hemimorphite, Hydrozincite, Mimetite, Plumbojarosite >Map Reference: >35°50'N, 115°26'W > >Yellow Pine Mine has Anglesite, Aurichalcite, Cerussite, Cuprian Descloizite, >Hemimorphite, Heterogenite, Hydrozincite, Jarosite, Linarite, Malachite, >Orthoclase, Plattnerite, Pyromorphite, Rosasite Smithsonite, Stibnite >located at >Map Reference: 35°51'1"N, 115°29'39"W > >Of course ownership and permission changes all of the time so I'd check >locally. > >Gem Trails of Nevada shows a couple sites near Las Vegas but I've been told >that accuracy is a problem with the locations. > >T. McGinnis > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 18:10:25 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Thu Apr 8 17:10:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] it's a start Message-ID: <0b6301c41daf$34e212d0$aa7ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all, I made a start with mineral photography... just a start, nothing special yet http://www.strahlen.org/foto/ Hojje! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 18:11:37 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 8 17:11:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Collecting near Las Vegas Message-ID: <42.4b0f7139.2da71c8e@aol.com> Here is a map to the Green Monster Mine near Goodsprings Nevada. I do not know current owner or collecting status, Butmay have good stuff on the dumps. http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/scans/2190/21900074.pdf T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 18:14:54 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 8 17:14:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with specimen identification Message-ID: <4206CF26.0348344F.0A970CBF@aol.com> Kreigh, I don't remember seeing this one in the basement at Aleta's, and believe me, I pawed through and bought plenty down there, both before and after Terry went out of business. But I do have a belated guess...after kicking it around in my mind's eye for a while, I think it looks a bit like manganite. Not the skinny crystals from the U.P. that used to be called pyrolusite, but more like the stubbier ones from the Caland Mine near Atikokan, Ontario. Try comparing the properties, or attack it with chemicals and see if you can get a manganese color. Good luck sorting the rest of your basement treasures! Bill Barr From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 8 20:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Apr 8 19:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] it's a start In-Reply-To: <0b6301c41daf$34e212d0$aa7ba8c0@cm333814lt> Message-ID: <009201c41dd7$e5ac1250$6501a8c0@moose> Sweet! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Frank de Wit > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:20 PM > To: rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] it's a start > > > Hi all, > > I made a start with mineral photography... > just a start, nothing special yet > http://www.strahlen.org/foto/ > > Hojje! Frank > http://www.strahlen.org/ > http://www.untertage.com/ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 00:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Graham) Date: Thu Apr 8 23:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near Portland OR References: <8b.7c2d85a.2da63dc9@aol.com> Message-ID: <00af01c41df9$486e31e0$73f0bfcf@Jack> I have just started rock hunting again, my children have gotten me back into it again. Does anyone have any sugestions about where to go looking in the Portland area? Jack From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 01:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 9 00:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Your music Message-ID: <200404090712.i397CBte017674@bubbleator.drizzle.com> See the attached file for details. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/octet-stream --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 09:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Apr 9 08:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near Portland OR In-Reply-To: <00af01c41df9$486e31e0$73f0bfcf@Jack> References: <8b.7c2d85a.2da63dc9@aol.com> <00af01c41df9$486e31e0$73f0bfcf@Jack> Message-ID: <4076BD25.2010501@tenforward.com> Hi Jack, For your consideration... http://members.tripod.com/~WTompkins/ http://www.ricenwmuseum.org/home.asp The Pacific Northwest Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy meets at the museum on Saturday at 11:00 am, public welcome. All the best, John Jack Graham wrote: >I have just started rock hunting again, my children have gotten me back into >it again. > >Does anyone have any sugestions about where to go looking in the Portland >area? > >Jack > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 09:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Apr 9 08:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rice Northwest Museum and our Display Message-ID: <4076C81C.9080804@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, I'd like to share a recent development regarding a new happening in our fossil life. Gloria and I have been invited to display our collection of fossils at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals, in Hillsboro, Oregon. Our display will be placed into the museum this weekend (4/10/04), timed to coincide with the years first meeting of the Northwest Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy. For us here in the Northwest, this is our finest Museum for all things mineral. The museum has a minor web presence which can be located quite easily for those interested and personally, I'd recommend you take a moment to search their site out, or better yet, visit the museum yourselves the next time your in the Portland, Oregon area. You'll be blown away, it's an awesome collection containing some of the finest crystals and lapidary specimens known. As the museum continues to expand their mission of bringing things geological to the public, a focus on fossils has continued to develop and a gallery exclusively containing specimens of this type is currently expanding through the donation and loan of specimens by supportive northwest enthusiasts. As a thought, I should probably mention that the Rice Museum houses one of the world's finest fossil wood collections and these woods are not considered a fossil in the sense of this note. As you may imagine, Gloria and I feel this quite an honor and have worked ceaselessly to bring together what we feel is an exceptional display of Olympic Peninsula, Washington fossils. To do this right, two other friends offered and selflessly presented us with treasure from their own collections which they'd collected from the peninsula themselves. We were thrilled and the overall quality of our display well reflects the collected field achievements realized by our small and active group. Besides Gloria and I, our friends Albin Zukofsky II and Casey Burns made this all possible. This is the second time that Gloria and I have been invited to display at the Rice Museum in their Northwest Gallery. The first time, back in February 2002, Gloria and I presented a select display of self collected mineral specimens from Washington, Idaho, Montana and appropriately, Oregon. With this varied of a palette to draw from, we managed a sweet little display and then as now, I think we really managed a display worthy of us, the Museum and the Science. It is a gift to have these opportunities to share our collections and experiences with our fellows, and to show them the exceptional things available if they just get outside and leave their television sets and their easy chairs behind. Other then gas and food money (and preparation materials, chemicals, tools, etc., etc., etc., nothings really ever free is it?) we almost never paid a dime for those fantastic trips into the field where discovering treasure was the order of the day. My focus with our Olympic Peninsula display is to go beyond the flashy and showy to illustrate the very real possibilities which can be realized when we as amateur enthusiasts work cooperatively with scientists to expand the science of Paleontology. The oft times rewarding experiences these type of synergistic relationships can produce can lead to lifetime friendships and feelings of contribution to a thing greater then ourselves. This is a good thing. Below you'll find the text I've written to accent the assembled specimens, publications and photographs which I've included into this display. I apologize for not having the ability to provide photos of the specimens, one day... Let us know what you think of the display if your able to see it. We think it's tops! All the very best. Sincerely, John PS Notes explaining the text, not a part of the actual display text, will be identified by these markings <<< >>> SHELF 1, top shelf Contributions to Science and a Beauty to Behold; Fossils of the Olympic Peninsula, Washington as collected by John and Gloria Cornish With special discovery contributions by Albin Zukofsky II and Casey Burns Examples of the pelecypod Lucina hannibali displaying an array of delightful crystal filled, geode-like cavities. Minerals thus far identified within these hollows include quartz, calcite, barite, gypsum variety selenite and sphalerite. <<< Over 40 split fossil clams are displayed with their interior crystal lined pockets glistening >>> John examining a whale skull he's just discovered and is preparing to excavate. <<< 8 x 10 photo >>> John and his faithful companion Buddy, out searching for treasure on a cold, rainy winters morning. <<< 8 x 10 photo of me and my lab mix >>> Bathybembix columbiana <<< specimen >>> Aturia angustata <<< specimen >>> Concretionary Aturia angustata <<< specimen >>> Liracassis <<< specimen >>> Concretionary Liracassis, 3 separate individuals. <<< specimen >>> Liracassis with crystal void <<< specimen >>> Agatized Steinkern <<< specimen >>> SHELF 2 These two specimens of the fossil shrimp, Callianopsis clallamensis, were collected by Gloria and I. We donated other specimens to Paleontologists which were later studied and photographed for inclusion within this paper. Our material was used to observe and helped confirm that the fossil mud shrimps identified in the early 1920's as Callianopsis clallamensis and Callianopsis twinensis are actually the same species and represent differing sexes. Callianopsis clallamensis was male, Callianopsis twinensis was female. This is a cast of the best known skull of the rare beach-dwelling bear, Kolponomos clallamensis. It was found by Albin Zukofsky II. Kolponomos was a highly evolved, invertebrate-crushing 'beach bear' strongly muscled and with teeth suggesting a diet of hard-shelled, rock dwelling inter tidal invertebrates. *Please note this skull figured above in the paper Marine Vertebrate Paleontology on the Olympic Peninsula by Barnes & Geodert. This concretion holds the skull of a baby Archeocetes (toothed) whale. Gloria and I suspected this when noting the bone exposed around this concretion's circumference. To confirm our suspected skull, Gloria and I had our concretion X-rayed. Clearly revealed within the X-rays behind this concretion are two ear bones very similar in shape to these two loose fossilized, black colored examples. With the X-rays confirming our suspicions, we've initiated this specimen's preparation and have covered the exposed bones in a Vinac chemical coating to protect them as the concretion is next immersed into forthcoming acid baths. We'll use special acids to carefully remove the rock matrix to expose the skull hiding within. As can be seen in the Kolponomos skull to the right which has already had its resistant concretionary covering removed in this time-consuming, labor intensive preparation process, the detail revealed as the rock is removed is dramatic and profoundly insightful to Paleontologists describing these rare and extinct vertebrate species. SHELF 3 This is the paper where Asthenognathus cornishorum, the first species to be named in our honor, was described and introduced. This is a most satisfying reward and one which Gloria and I are both thrilled to have received. This cast (above right) with its accompanying photograph, are of an unknown and undescribed fossil decapod claw which Gloria found on her very first day fossil collecting which is additionally mentioned in this paper. This specimen also resides in the collection of the Carnegie Museum. Unfortunately, it is insufficiently complete to provide a description. Still what a thrill, to discover a new species on your first fossil collecting adventure! Zanthopsis vulgaris Funny name, pretty crabs! Mursia marcusana <<< specimen >>> Zanthopsis vulgaris and Mursia marcusana are examples of crab fossils found with some frequency from this area, other crabs are much more rare. In comparison, Asthenognathus cornishorum is represented by only three known specimens. These three fossil specimens additionally represent cutting edge paleontology in every sense. Casey, Gloria and I have been systematically working a special, secret little deposit which has yielded an incredibly varied array of species, including those represented by these specimens here. Two specimens are Astropectinid starfish of an unknown species, Casey collected the larger specimen, and the other is a great little group of brittle stars. This quiet, relatively unknown locality is world class and has yielded such an abundance of specimens, both in numbers and in diversity of species, that it may be genuinely considered one of the west coast's most productive localities. This grouping of text and photos mark one of our most satisfying discoveries; our first fossil bird from Washington! This bird, a Plotopterid and a species new to science, was found as two loose concretionary chunks along one of our local beaches. The pieces had broken apart and had been transported away from each other and it was extremely fortunate that we were able to find the majority of this particular concretions scattered components. The Plotopterid was a flightless swimming bird loosely compared to the penguins of today and some species were quite large. So much so in fact, that this specimen represents the largest bird for mass which has yet been discovered from the western hemisphere! As a contributing author and researcher of our specimen, it is my intention to name this bird after the most influential bird of our childhood; Big Bird from Sesame Street! SHELF 4 This Majid crab of undetermined species may be one of the largest crabs ever collected from Washington and the Olympic Peninsula. <<< specimen >>> This fossil coquina was recovered from an area which has historically produced specimens of fossilized shark teeth, unfortunately I have yet to find any. Thankfully other specimens may be found there as this species rich slab adequately testifies. <<< specimen >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 11:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Fri Apr 9 10:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near Portland OR Message-ID: You can try Tim Fisher's site too. http://orerockon.com/ore_rock.htm There are several clubs that meet in the area. Clackamette Mineral & Gem Club Meetings are on the third Tuesday at 7:00 pm, Zion Lutheran Church, 8th & Jefferson, Oregon City, OR Mt. Hood Rock Club Meetings are on the second Tuesday and fourth Monday at 7:30 pm, Gresham Methodist Church Basement, NW 8th & Norman, Gresham, OR 97030 Oregon Agate & Mineral Society Meetings are on the first & third Fridays, 7:30 PM, OMSI, Mezzanine Classroom 2, 1945 SE Water Ave., Portland Oregon Rockers Meetings are on the fourth Tuesday, 7:30 pm, Community Meeting Room, Clackamas Town Center, Clackamas, OR Tualatin Valley Gem Club Meetings are on the second and fourth Wednesday, 7:30 pm, Forest Grove Senior Center, 2037 Douglas St., Forest Grove OR Here is some info from the Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries. http://www.oregongeology.com/learnmore/gems.HTM This should keep you busy a while!   Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: "Jack Graham" <jackgraham@gbronline.com> >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: <rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near Portland OR >Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:09:50 -0700 > >I have just started rock hunting again, my children have gotten me back into >it again. > >Does anyone have any sugestions about where to go looking in the Portland >area? > >Jack > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 11:35:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 9 10:35:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rice Northwest Museum and our Display Message-ID: <1c1.176ee6d0.2da8389f@aol.com> that is so very cool. Congratulations on the honor. I enjoyed reading your write up, wish I were able to go see the display at the museum. That is so great, again congrats! Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 9 11:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Fri Apr 9 10:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rice Northwest Museum and our Display Message-ID: Cool!  NW Mineral Prospectors is planning a field trip out there and I look forward to seeing it! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: John and Gloria Cornish <j&gcornish@tenforward.com> >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: Drizzle <rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >Subject: [Rockhounds] Rice Northwest Museum and our Display >Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:58:20 -0700 > >Hi Everyone, > >I'd like to share a recent development regarding a new happening in >our fossil life. Gloria and I have been invited to display our >collection of fossils at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and >Minerals, in Hillsboro, Oregon. Our display will be placed into the ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 10 17:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Apr 10 16:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Palygorskite Message-ID: <40788342.6604@Tomaszewski.net> Today at the IMRMC Rock Show I picked up a specimen of palygorskite (Pend Orielle Mine in Metaline Falls, WA) from Blue Chip Minerals. In addition to the pretty calcite crystals growing on the palygorskite I have found over a dozen crystals of what appears to be millerite. Since calcite is the only documented mineral I have found associated with palygorskite I'm wondering if anyone else has run across this. Do I have a unique specimen, or have these pretty crystals simply been overlooked in specimens because a lens is needed to see them clearly (my biggest is about 5mm long)? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 10 17:56:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Apr 10 16:56:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Palygorskite In-Reply-To: <40788342.6604@Tomaszewski.net> References: <40788342.6604@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Hi Kreigh, The Pend Oreille Mine is a Mississippi Valley type lead-zinc deposit. The palygoskite commonly has calcite attached as well as sphalerite. Other minerals in the mine or area are smithsonite and barite. There is a little Cd, Mo, Ag and Sb, (greenockite, molybdenite, pyrargyrite and tetrahedrite) so maybe there also is a little Ni in the district that has been missed, although, I've heard of no millerite in the mine or in the area. Whether your specimen is millerite or other mineral, it may well be unique or it could be that few people have looked at their palygorskite with magnification. 5mm is big enough to detect without a lens, but certainly could be overlooked. Regards, Lanny On Apr 10, 2004, at 4:30 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Today at the IMRMC Rock Show I picked up a specimen of palygorskite > (Pend Orielle Mine in Metaline Falls, WA) from Blue Chip Minerals. In > addition to the pretty calcite crystals growing on the palygorskite I > have found over a dozen crystals of what appears to be millerite. > > Since calcite is the only documented mineral I have found associated > with palygorskite I'm wondering if anyone else has run across this. > > Do I have a unique specimen, or have these pretty crystals simply been > overlooked in specimens because a lens is needed to see them clearly > (my > biggest is about 5mm long)? > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 10 21:55:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Apr 10 20:55:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite Message-ID: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> Filiform pyrite is known from that area, could it be that instead of millerite? -John Stanfield --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 10 23:45:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Apr 10 22:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> Message-ID: <4078DB22.24EC@Tomaszewski.net> JTelescope@aol.com wrote: > > Filiform pyrite is known from that area, could it be that instead of > millerite? > -John Stanfield John, While I've got one 5mm crystal (that may be 7mm on later inspection) that really looks like millerite, most of them are 1mm to 3mm (and may be something else). I moved up to 60x (best I have available) and now I can see hundreds of brassy crystals on my specimen. I've found five common varieties. The larger, and most numerous, are brassy little cubes, and can just be distinguised to have square faces if you adjust the lighting correctly (otherwise they are dots). Probably pyrite. The next larger is short threads, and I don't have enough resolution to tell if they are not round. Still unknown. The next larger (and still fewer) are brassy cubes with a thread running thru them. Filiform pyrite is the obvious choice. (Thank you for giving me reason to look forther). The next largest (and {_much_} fewer again) are balls, with mostly triangular faces (just visible if the light is right), that have a thread coming out of them. I think the treads are hexagonal, but I am still not sure. Millerite? The largest/longest (and fewest) tend to be thinner/longer,slightly darker (but yet brassy), and still look like millerite. I wish I had higher resolution. I'm still wondering if anyone has a similar specimen...and if the probable association(s) can be confirmed. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 11 07:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Sun Apr 11 06:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> Message-ID: <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> I've seen very nice micro filiform pyrite, calcite, and barite from that locality; very neat stuff. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: April 10, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite > Filiform pyrite is known from that area, could it be that instead of > millerite? > -John Stanfield > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 11 07:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Sun Apr 11 06:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - close-out Charles Palache CDs $19.99 References: <40788342.6604@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000f01c41fcd$18c050b0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> The Charles Palache CDs have been a success and there are now only a few sets left. 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From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 11 10:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Apr 11 09:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite In-Reply-To: <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <488A0723-8BD4-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Tim, Where did you learn of filiform pyrite from the Pend Oreille Mine? Do you have specimens? I've never heard of it from there. Lanny On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:47 AM, Tim Jokela wrote: > I've seen very nice micro filiform pyrite, calcite, and barite from > that > locality; very neat stuff. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 11 14:25:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Sun Apr 11 13:25:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <488A0723-8BD4-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <01b701c42004$5906ea80$f405efd1@oemcomputer> I've got a piece knocking around here somewhere. Very cool and weird stuff, flattened, right angle bends, etc. See MR V22-1, p.71 for a letter on the topic... found the reference in MinDex, a terrific little program, I highly recommend it, heh, heh. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: April 11, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite > Hi Tim, > > Where did you learn of filiform pyrite from the Pend Oreille Mine? Do > you have specimens? I've never heard of it from there. > > Lanny > > > On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:47 AM, Tim Jokela wrote: > > > I've seen very nice micro filiform pyrite, calcite, and barite from > > that > > locality; very neat stuff. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 11 20:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Apr 11 19:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite In-Reply-To: <01b701c42004$5906ea80$f405efd1@oemcomputer> References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <488A0723-8BD4-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <01b701c42004$5906ea80$f405efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <53E5E844-8C25-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Darn, never thought to look there! Thanks Tim. Lanny On Apr 11, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Tim Jokela wrote: > I've got a piece knocking around here somewhere. Very cool and weird > stuff, > flattened, right angle bends, etc. > > See MR V22-1, p.71 for a letter on the topic... found the reference in > MinDex, a terrific little program, I highly recommend it, heh, heh. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lanny" > To: > Sent: April 11, 2004 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite > > >> Hi Tim, >> >> Where did you learn of filiform pyrite from the Pend Oreille Mine? Do >> you have specimens? I've never heard of it from there. >> >> Lanny >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:47 AM, Tim Jokela wrote: >> >>> I've seen very nice micro filiform pyrite, calcite, and barite from >>> that >>> locality; very neat stuff. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com >>> Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com >>> The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 11 21:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Apr 11 20:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <488A0723-8BD4-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <01b701c42004$5906ea80$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <53E5E844-8C25-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <407A06B2.73E0@Tomaszewski.net> Lanny, You might want to get a (15x) lens (and light!) out and take another look at your palygorskite specimen(s) from the Pend Oreille Mine. I've been doing more work on my specimen and can affirm the filiform pyrite from that location. I extracted and sacrificed one to a streak test, and am micromounting another. Most are in the 1-3mm range for length, and right angle crystals are not unusual (though most are single threads; many have a {larger} cube attached/penetrated/terminating). What I originally thought was millerite I now think is jamesonite. I've found some beautiful transparent brown (needle) barites on my specimen, and even extracted a couple 4-5mm perfect crystals for mounting as micros. I've also found several (barely) 1mm bright red needle crystals that look like textbook examples of crocoite under 30x. If anyone else has a specimen of palygorskite from the Pend Oreille Mine I would appreciate hearing about any associated secondary minerals you find looking at it under a lens (on or off list). This location appears more interesting than the literature indicates and I'm looking for more confirmation. Thanks! Kreigh Lanny wrote: > > Darn, never thought to look there! > > Thanks Tim. > > Lanny > > On Apr 11, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Tim Jokela wrote: > > > I've got a piece knocking around here somewhere. Very cool and weird > > stuff, > > flattened, right angle bends, etc. > > > > See MR V22-1, p.71 for a letter on the topic... found the reference in > > MinDex, a terrific little program, I highly recommend it, heh, heh. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lanny" > > To: > > Sent: April 11, 2004 12:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite > > > > > >> Hi Tim, > >> > >> Where did you learn of filiform pyrite from the Pend Oreille Mine? Do > >> you have specimens? I've never heard of it from there. > >> > >> Lanny > >> > >> > >> On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:47 AM, Tim Jokela wrote: > >> > >>> I've seen very nice micro filiform pyrite, calcite, and barite from > >>> that > >>> locality; very neat stuff. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > >>> Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > >>> The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 08:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 07:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone Message-ID: Hi All ! Could anyone give me some information on the Mt. St. Helens Stones? Even a website that would give me some info on it would be helpful. Thanks, Carmen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 09:01:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Mon Apr 12 08:01:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone References: Message-ID: The Buena Vista Museum of Natural History has a page about Mount St. Helens. Nothing about stones, but it hs a link to the Mt. St. Helens National Monument web page at the bottom. Mount St. Helens - 20 Years Later http://sharktoothhill.com/st-helen.html Sherry > Hi All ! > Could anyone give me some information on the Mt. St. Helens Stones? Even > a website that would give me some info on it would be helpful. > > Thanks, > Carmen From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 09:13:16 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Mon Apr 12 08:13:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone References: Message-ID: <001401c420a0$75e93350$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Are you referring to cut gemSTONES of Mt. St. Helens material? They simply fuse Mt. St. Helens volcanic ash and end up with a beautiful glass. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Pauley" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone > The Buena Vista Museum of Natural History has a page about Mount St. Helens. > Nothing about stones, but it hs a link to the Mt. St. Helens National > Monument web page at the bottom. > > Mount St. Helens - 20 Years Later > http://sharktoothhill.com/st-helen.html > > Sherry > > > > Hi All ! > > Could anyone give me some information on the Mt. St. Helens Stones? > Even > > a website that would give me some info on it would be helpful. > > > > Thanks, > > Carmen > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 09:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Apr 12 08:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone In-Reply-To: <001401c420a0$75e93350$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <001401c420a0$75e93350$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <8BFC4680-8C94-11D8-961F-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> i believe it was in lapidary journal a few years ago that only traces of ash were used to make the glass. cathy On Apr 12, 2004, at 11:11 AM, Van wrote: > Are you referring to cut gemSTONES of Mt. St. Helens material? They > simply > fuse Mt. St. Helens volcanic ash and end up with a beautiful glass. > > Van > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Pauley" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone > > >> The Buena Vista Museum of Natural History has a page about Mount St. > Helens. >> Nothing about stones, but it hs a link to the Mt. St. Helens National >> Monument web page at the bottom. >> >> Mount St. Helens - 20 Years Later >> http://sharktoothhill.com/st-helen.html >> >> Sherry >> >> >>> Hi All ! >>> Could anyone give me some information on the Mt. St. Helens >>> Stones? >> Even >>> a website that would give me some info on it would be helpful. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Carmen >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 09:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 08:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone Message-ID: <041220041551.4252.407ABB0F000BEB4A0000109C2160280748FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> I'm not sure I've ever read "the" definitive statement about what really goes into Mt. St. Helens stone, or glass, or "emerald", or whatever they like to call it. It's glass of course, and sometimes you hear that it is all or mostly actual ash, and sometimes not; and sometimes that extra ingredients are added to color it, or sometimes not. I wonder if anyone besides the manufacturer knows for sure? Surely, someone else must have done chemical analyses of it--a simple microprobe analysis would tell one, whether it's composition is the same as the volcanic ash, or whether it's "enhanced". It does look attractive of course, and I've known many people who enjoy having it in jewelry--regardless of how much nature may have been improved upon in making it. If an iron-containing lava or ash is melted in a reducing (low-oxygen) atmosphere, most of the iron is reduced to the ferrous (Fe 2+) state, which usually produced greenish color, as opposed to oxidized lavas which would come out darker, brown or black. However, it's likely that "pure" melted ash would still come out either just a pale green, or an unattractive brownish-green, and I'm sure they could enhance the color by adding a little chromium or nickel or vanadium, to "make it better" (or maybe adding a lot). I haven't tried searching on the web for info on this, but I'll bet it exists somewhere--I'll bet GIA has done analyses of it, and perhaps something has been published in Gems & Gemology, or elsewhere. sincerely, Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 10:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Apr 12 09:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rice Northwest Museum and our Display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407AC0D2.1040009@tenforward.com> Dear Dawn and Docia (and list), Thank you for your kind comments. Our display went in fine and we had a great meet, the time just flew by and before I knew it, I'd spent 7 1/2 hours at the Museum. With the case in place, I did see a few things I wish I'd have done different. As an example, the most offensive flaw was the tiered arrangement with the crystal filled clams on the top shelf. This really killed the light illuminating the lower shelves and the worst to suffer is the giant Majid crab on the bottom shelf. Still, it's very satisfying to get some of our self collected fossil treasures out for everyone to see, poorly illuminated or not. Thank you again. All the very best, John Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: >Cool!  NW Mineral Prospectors is planning a field trip out there and I look forward to seeing it! > > > >Dawn Fredricks >Portland Oregon > > >  > >>From: John and Gloria Cornish <j&gcornish@tenforward.com> >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: Drizzle <rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >Subject: [Rockhounds] Rice Northwest Museum and our Display >Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:58:20 -0700 > >Hi Everyone, > >I'd like to share a recent development regarding a new happening in >our fossil life. Gloria and I have been invited to display our >collection of fossils at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and >Minerals, in Hillsboro, Oregon. 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Sincerely; Steve DeLong/Owner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 14:01:21 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Mon Apr 12 13:01:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens stone Message-ID: <000201c420bd$ed59a740$9125b304@uswest.net> The greenish so called Mt. St. Helen's gems are artificial, an = interesting take on creating a cheap quickie for the tourist market. I = have heard that volcanic ash is added to molten glass but friends who = work in glass say that any addition of volcanic ash would follow the = lines of adding a drop of vermouth to make a martini. Remember volcanic ash is not pure silica but a mixture of vapourized = materials. Danny Steward / Seattle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 14:01:36 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Apr 12 13:01:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Motivational text Message-ID: <407AE35B.5010300@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, Recently I was asked to give a "Career Day" talk for the American Association of University Women to the 8th grade class of a local school. I was extremely nervous and questioned the AAUW regarding their choice. Rather then my scholastic or monetary accomplishments, their response focused on my passion and obvious love for what I do. I may still have been nervous, but with this their reasoning, I certainly could find no fault in their conclusions. After all, I am very passionate and I absolutely love what I do. So with this fear diminished a bit, I began to ponder and develop my presentation and in doing so came up with the text you'll find immediately following. I used this as a guideline for my presentation and breathed myself into it with everything I had. This may appear a bit "over the top" for some, but I had one chance with these kids and I wanted to try and make it count as best I could. I'm not sure I did as good of a job as some, but for me, I was rockin! I brought several large crystal and fossil specimens to accent my presentation as eye candy, aids to help the kids visualize the things I was describing and it seemed to go over well. One thing that did come out, was how similar my 3 "H's" are to 4H. Several kids active in 4H commented on this after the talk (proving that at least some of the kids were listening!), all I needed to add to my list was health to have had the 4H's down. I didn't know, not having been involved with 4H and actually thought I was quite clever, ahh well. :-) The kids deserve the very best each of us has to give. I strive for this and it's an awesome goal. All the very best everyone. Take care, John 8th grade AAUW Career Day Talk By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com Hi Everyone, There are so very many things in life that your going to have the chances to experience. Which ones will motivate you? Personally. So that you care. So that you realize how much you really matter? I can not stand before you and say that I've made all the right decisions, that I didn't waste my time, because I did. And to be honest, I find it a source of embarrassment. All that time slipped away, gone forever. Gone. We never get it back. Gone. When I was your age, I was lost, I admit it. I had no sense of purpose and the idea of a future was just way to incomprehensible to fathom. And, I didn't have someone to stand up before me to say WAKE UP, the futures coming quicker then you think. What will your place in the future be? Will you have a voice? What will your contribution be? When I was in 8th grade I had acne and life just seemed way too big. But ya know what, here's a truth, your not going to be 13 or 14 forever. One day, and it'll come quicker then you think, your going to be 20, 30 and then one day you'll be 42 just like me. Scary. And it will happen, one day it'll hit ya, what was I thinking! Believe it or not, the things that seem so INTENSE today, will flicker and fade and with TIME, the more important aspects of LIFE, the bigger more satisfying, less indulgent and selfish sides of life will develop within you and then who knows, who knows what your potential may be? A man once wrote, and I quote, " Our accomplishments may be tiny things in and of themselves, but in combinations, over time, who's to know the scope of our deeds?" Indeed, who's to know, certainly not me and perhaps even you yourself may not recognize the pure potential of who you are and who you may become. But, I'll tell you what, taking the easy road. Playing the child. Disrespecting yourself. These ways are not "the way". This is a path of wasted time, and time my friends is slipping away. It's up to you, to each of you, to hear me or not. I'm nobody, I've no right to expect you to understand. To expect you to care. To step outside of the moment to look honestly at your place in life and where your going, to honestly ask yourself, why am I so easily satisfied? Is this all I can be? Big subjects, difficult subjects, subjects way beyond Sponge Bob and the Simpsons. What part of this will you hear? I was once told that a receptive audience would only "take in" 6% of a lesson. What 6% will you hear? If you hear anything, hear this word, PASSION. This is one of the main words I use to motivate myself in life, and I love it, PASSION. I don't care what your passionate about (this is not a free card to waste time!), just take that personal flame within you and fan it and just see what your potential may be, just reach for the person you can become! And let your search be a PASSIONATE one! Another truth I believe in, the 3 "H's". HEAD, HEART and HANDS. With these three things motivating us, we can do anything. ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING! HEAD, put your head in a good place by realizing that your important and that you have the ability to aspire. To create. To love and to be loved. It all starts with how you feel about yourself. Find your strengths and build yourself into a person worthy of yourself. Apply yourself to every challenge and step up! HEART, put your heart into the things you do, give it your all. Not Jessica's or Ann's all, not Jeff's or Tony's all, but your all. If we believe in ourselves, what are our possibilities! HANDS, led by my head and my heart, my hands can do anything, if I believe. Ladies and Gentlemen, now is the time to believe in yourselves, to see your potential and to reach for it with all your might. PASSIONATELY, Because if you do, what will your potential be! Folks, I believe in this, you don't have to, but I hope you'll just take a moment and consider, like I do from this stage looking on you all, what will your potential be. So that's it, that's my talk. Now in case your asking yourselves what exactly is it that I do, I've come to enlighten you as to that very thing. I search for buried treasures, and sometimes, I even find them! For me, I never did fit in. School was hard and to be honest I didn't apply myself. I failed myself and sought escape. My own tenacious spirit has allowed me, over time, to triumph over my failings as a student, though the time I've lost relearning old lessons weighs heavily upon me. Thank goodness I believe in myself, in my potential to better myself. I believe it and I strive for it. For those of you interested, you can see the largest thing I've yet discovered by visiting the University of Washington campus in Seattle. There, in the Burke Museum, our Washington State Museum of Natural History and Culture, on full time display, you can see the 15 foot long, 28 million year old fossil whale I discovered and donated to the Museum back in 1993. Another of my recent donations to the museum is a fossil bird which I discovered while walking along one of our local beaches. This bird is a new species and represents the largest bird for mass yet discovered within the western hemispheres fossil record. I've found crystal lined pockets 10 feet long with fragile snow white hair-like crystals and have discovered some of the finest calcite's ever seen from Washington and Oregon. Currently, I'm mining my claim in central Idaho for two minerals named heulandite and mordenite. This project is producing the finest occurrences of these minerals yet discovered on our continent. Specimens I've collected can be seen in numerous North American museums including the Smithsonian and the Carnegie. Other museums the world over also house specimens I've collected in countries like Canada, Norway and in England. My final message here is that you, like me, like all of us, we can do anything if we just believe in ourselves! Be passionate and lead extraordinary lives. All the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 14:01:47 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (liz fodi) Date: Mon Apr 12 13:01:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone References: <041220041551.4252.407ABB0F000BEB4A0000109C2160280748FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Message-ID: <407AE53B.A7931497@utoronto.ca> So far: http://www.yourgemologist.com/synthetics.html Other sites state that the colour is the result of naturally occurring trace elements. I have a pendant with a stone purportedly made from the ash that was bought 2 years after the eruption. It was called glass and no other selling point than the mystique created around the eruption was used. The colour is a pale green with plum and brown tones. Very quiet bit of jewellery. Liz Fodi From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 14:21:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Apr 12 13:21:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens stone In-Reply-To: <000201c420bd$ed59a740$9125b304@uswest.net> References: <000201c420bd$ed59a740$9125b304@uswest.net> Message-ID: you 'fume' the ash, either on another metal or, well, like they fume nickel to use with glass blowing ~KM A Wise Man can see more from the bottom of a well than a Fool can see from the top of a mountain. On Apr 12, 2004, at 11:32 AM, DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD wrote: > The greenish so called Mt. St. Helen's gems are artificial, an > interesting take on creating a cheap quickie for the tourist market. > I have heard that volcanic ash is added to molten glass but friends > who work in glass say that any addition of volcanic ash would follow > the lines of adding a drop of vermouth to make a martini. > > Remember volcanic ash is not pure silica but a mixture of vapourized > materials. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 15:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Mon Apr 12 14:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone References: <041220041551.4252.407ABB0F000BEB4A0000109C2160280748FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <407AE53B.A7931497@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <001301c420d1$64783630$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> From: > http://www.yourgemologist.com/synthetics.html :But the most important is to remember that a synthetic :gemstone is one that carries all of the chemical, structural, :and color properties of the natural, but it is synthetically :grown in a laboratory. And will therefore not cost near as :much as a natural gemstone because it is not as rare and :not as valuable. What are people's opinions about this statement, 10 or 20 years from now? As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and bigger is better, wouldn't naturals just drop in price to match synthetics eventually? Jimmy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 15:27:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 14:27:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Mount St. Helen Stone Message-ID: <11.2690f9dd.2dac6379@aol.com> Here is what many Jewelers Claim... MOUNT. ST. HELENS GREEN OBSIDIAN "This beautiful gem like stone is fused from rock gathered after the 1980 eruption of Mt. St. Helens. Experts have indicated that the material ejected came from 10-20 miles below the surface of the earth. The pulverized rock is fused under exact laboratory conditions at temperatures of 2700 Ft. The trace elements of chromium, iron and copper create the rich, emerald color when fused in a reducing (oxygem-free) environment." T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 15:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Apr 12 14:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone In-Reply-To: <001301c420d1$64783630$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> Message-ID: My guess is that natural stones will drop in price but will maintain a value a bit above synthetics. The snob appeal factor. This probably will be more important for larger stones, the lower end retail market probably won't see much of a differential. Diamonds it seems to me are the prime target for all this since the Cartel artificially maintains a high price now. Diamonds seem to be the prime interest of the gem quality artificial manufacturers right now. If there were only one process owned by one company then they might try to maintain the prices at a high level but there are multiple processes being developed by several companies so sooner of later one will start a price war. If I owned De Beers stock I'd be worried to say the least. Bryan Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! > > From: > > http://www.yourgemologist.com/synthetics.html > > :But the most important is to remember that a synthetic > :gemstone is one that carries all of the chemical, structural, > :and color properties of the natural, but it is synthetically > :grown in a laboratory. And will therefore not cost near as > :much as a natural gemstone because it is not as rare and > :not as valuable. > > What are people's opinions about this statement, 10 or 20 years from now? > As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and bigger is better, wouldn't > naturals just drop in price to match synthetics eventually? > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 16:01:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Apr 12 15:01:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some interesting web material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is always a lot of interest in meteor impacts on the list, so take a look at this new offering from the University of Arizona on impact effects for your location: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/ Also USGS has a new map of earthquake historical data for the central US: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040412014909.htm Bryan Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 16:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Apr 12 15:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone References: Message-ID: <407B1882.337F@Tomaszewski.net> Lucky7Mine@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All ! > Could anyone give me some information on the Mt. St. Helens Stones? Even > a website that would give me some info on it would be helpful. > > Thanks, > Carmen > Go to mindat.org and search location for 'helens'. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 16:56:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 15:56:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone Message-ID: Sounds like this stuff might be good for knapping arrowheads. Whataya think? Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 18:03:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 12 17:03:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens Stone Message-ID: <1ec.1daaead5.2dac8811@aol.com> Geez, arrowheads??? interesting.....a friend of mine gave me a necklace with the Mt. St. Helens Stone in it....looks like about 4 carats...maybe a little larger...I just didn't know anything about it... Thanks, Carmen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 12 22:35:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Apr 12 21:35:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite In-Reply-To: <407A06B2.73E0@Tomaszewski.net> References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <488A0723-8BD4-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <01b701c42004$5906ea80$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <53E5E844-8C25-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <407A06B2.73E0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <2AC418F5-8D03-11D8-921B-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Kreigh, I can't believe I'd forgotten the reference Tim J. mentioned. You'd think I would remember a letter to the MR from a friend about a previously unknown mineral from a locality "in my backyard." I dug out my two specimens, which I'd collected in 1971 and looked at them under the microscope. I didn't have a 'scope back then, or much interest in micros, and hadn't gotten around to looking at them since getting a 'scope. Found nothing exciting. One has lots of tiny calcites and tiny fragments of light amber to reddish sphalerite, all etched. The other has the same plus a lot of tiny quartz crystals. No pyrite visible at all and nothing else exciting. The only possible unusual or unknown are some of the "sphalerites" look like they could be something else. The mine shut down in the 1980s (I believe it was) and is now in the process of starting back up under managment of Teck Cominco. It's supposed to operate for several years (I forget how many, something like 7 years). Wonder if I could promote the geologist to take me underground to certain areas with large calcite/palygorskite cavities... Regards, Lanny On Apr 11, 2004, at 8:05 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Lanny, > > You might want to get a (15x) lens (and light!) out and take another > look at your palygorskite specimen(s) from the Pend Oreille Mine. > > I've been doing more work on my specimen and can affirm the filiform > pyrite from that location. I extracted and sacrificed one to a streak > test, and am micromounting another. Most are in the 1-3mm range for > length, and right angle crystals are not unusual (though most are > single > threads; many have a {larger} cube attached/penetrated/terminating). > > What I originally thought was millerite I now think is jamesonite. > > I've found some beautiful transparent brown (needle) barites on my > specimen, and even extracted a couple 4-5mm perfect crystals for > mounting as micros. > > I've also found several (barely) 1mm bright red needle crystals that > look like textbook examples of crocoite under 30x. > > If anyone else has a specimen of palygorskite from the Pend Oreille > Mine > I would appreciate hearing about any associated secondary minerals you > find looking at it under a lens (on or off list). This location appears > more interesting than the literature indicates and I'm looking for more > confirmation. Thanks! > > Kreigh > > > > > > Lanny wrote: >> >> Darn, never thought to look there! >> >> Thanks Tim. >> >> Lanny >> >> On Apr 11, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Tim Jokela wrote: >> >>> I've got a piece knocking around here somewhere. Very cool and weird >>> stuff, >>> flattened, right angle bends, etc. >>> >>> See MR V22-1, p.71 for a letter on the topic... found the reference >>> in >>> MinDex, a terrific little program, I highly recommend it, heh, heh. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com >>> Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com >>> The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lanny" >>> To: >>> Sent: April 11, 2004 12:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite >>> >>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> Where did you learn of filiform pyrite from the Pend Oreille Mine? >>>> Do >>>> you have specimens? I've never heard of it from there. >>>> >>>> Lanny >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:47 AM, Tim Jokela wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've seen very nice micro filiform pyrite, calcite, and barite from >>>>> that >>>>> locality; very neat stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com >>>>> Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com >>>>> The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 13 19:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Apr 13 18:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Palygorskite References: <149.26581f0b.2daa1b5b@aol.com> <007d01c41fcb$84b086c0$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <488A0723-8BD4-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <01b701c42004$5906ea80$f405efd1@oemcomputer> <53E5E844-8C25-11D8-BD66-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <407A06B2.73E0@Tomaszewski.net> <2AC418F5-8D03-11D8-921B-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <407C930E.5770@Tomaszewski.net> Lanny wrote: > > The mine shut down in the 1980s (I believe it was) and is now in the > process of starting back up under managment of Teck Cominco. It's > supposed to operate for several years (I forget how many, something > like 7 years). Wonder if I could promote the geologist to take me > underground to certain areas with large calcite/palygorskite > cavities... > The Pend Oreille Mine closed in 1977 after producing 14.8 Mt of ore grading 2.3% Zn and 1.1% Pb using mostly room and pillar methods. At a GSA meeting in 2001 Craig McClung presented a paper showing the mine still had 5.5 Mt grading 7.3% Zn and 1.3% Pb plus almost half that more in inferred resources that should give it another 10 years of operation. Teck-Cominco will recover the metal resources from the ore using an on-site mill and ship the concentrate to their smelter at Trail, BC, Canada. As of Feb 2004 they appeared to hold all the permits needed for full operation (even a US Tobacco, Alcohol, and Firearms Permit {for alcohol used in a bio-treatment pilot project}). Tell us about your field trip when you get back. ;-D Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 14 15:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Wed Apr 14 14:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral hunting near Juneau, Alaska? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all. I have an undergraduate student who is in earth science education and who will be spending the summer working for the park service (likely waiting tables or working a gift shop) in some of the facilities near Glacier Bay. She wants to do a special problem based on some rocks and minerals she picks up in Alaska (clearly not in the park or other restricted area). Are there any clubs, shops or contacts in the area (i. e. Juneau or some town she might reach on her days off) that she might consult for help? Feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks much - Dr. Bill Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 14 18:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (terry) Date: Wed Apr 14 17:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snowflake Obsidian Message-ID: <000c01c42285$556cb980$6cac8041@r2t2g1> Greetings from Pennsylvania We just got a lot of obsidian. Does anybody know if there is a = special way to cut it? Thank You Terry & Veneta --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 14 20:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question: Message-ID: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> Is there any good snowflake obsidian to be found in Oregon? T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 14 23:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Graham) Date: Wed Apr 14 22:18:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: References: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> Message-ID: <01fc01c422a9$00a92900$d9f0bfcf@Jack> I hear there is some around glass butte, but I have not made it up there yet. Let me know and we will make a trip of it. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: > Is there any good snowflake obsidian to be found in Oregon? > > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 15 10:45:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Apr 15 09:45:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question: In-Reply-To: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> References: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040415094157.0906f728@mail.spiritone.com> There is no snowflake obsidian anywhere in Oregon. At 07:06 PM 4/14/2004, you wrote: >Is there any good snowflake obsidian to be found in Oregon? > >T. McGinnis Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 15 10:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Thu Apr 15 09:59:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: In-Reply-To: <01fc01c422a9$00a92900$d9f0bfcf@Jack> References: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> <01fc01c422a9$00a92900$d9f0bfcf@Jack> Message-ID: <2B0AD6D4-8EFE-11D8-811E-000393A96092@mac.com> i have seen some on the east side of little glass butte. by some i mean two pieces of not very well formed snowflake and they *may* have been dropped there by another soul who was using that one camp area up there ~KM Never try to teach a pig to sing, it just wastes your time ... and annoys the pig. - Robert Heinlen On Apr 14, 2004, at 10:17 PM, Jack Graham wrote: > I hear there is some around glass butte, but I have not made it up > there > yet. Let me know and we will make a trip of it. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 15 11:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Apr 15 10:07:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: In-Reply-To: <2B0AD6D4-8EFE-11D8-811E-000393A96092@mac.com> References: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> <01fc01c422a9$00a92900$d9f0bfcf@Jack> <2B0AD6D4-8EFE-11D8-811E-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040415100138.02022730@mail.spiritone.com> All the snowflake at the Buttes was brought in by knappers. There are many pieces in the mound at the porta-potty on the west side of Little Glass as well. It is not possible for snowflake to form here as the flows were too poor in cristobalite. At 09:58 AM 4/15/2004, you wrote: >i have seen some on the east side of little glass butte. by some i mean >two pieces of not very well formed snowflake and they *may* have been >dropped there by another soul who was using that one camp area up there >~KM >Never try to teach a pig to sing, it just wastes your time ... and annoys >the pig. >- Robert Heinlen >On Apr 14, 2004, at 10:17 PM, Jack Graham wrote: > >>I hear there is some around glass butte, but I have not made it up there >>yet. Let me know and we will make a trip of it. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 15 16:16:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Thu Apr 15 15:16:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040415100138.02022730@mail.spiritone.com> References: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> <01fc01c422a9$00a92900$d9f0bfcf@Jack> <2B0AD6D4-8EFE-11D8-811E-000393A96092@mac.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040415100138.02022730@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <407F0A49.8030009@epix.net> What is the "snow" portion of the obsidian --- cristobalite?(a hight pressure polymorph of Quartz). Elton Tim Fisher wrote: > All the snowflake at the Buttes was brought in by knappers. There are > many pieces in the mound at the porta-potty on the west side of Little > Glass as well. It is not possible for snowflake to form here as the > flows were too poor in cristobalite. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 15 16:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Apr 15 15:53:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <407F0A49.8030009@epix.net> References: <108.2e7df160.2daf4824@aol.com> <01fc01c422a9$00a92900$d9f0bfcf@Jack> <2B0AD6D4-8EFE-11D8-811E-000393A96092@mac.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040415100138.02022730@mail.spiritone.com> <407F0A49.8030009@epix.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040415154938.09072e80@mail.spiritone.com> Yes. At 03:18 PM 4/15/2004, you wrote: >What is the "snow" portion of the obsidian --- cristobalite?(a hight >pressure polymorph of Quartz). > >Elton > >Tim Fisher wrote: > >>All the snowflake at the Buttes was brought in by knappers. There are >>many pieces in the mound at the porta-potty on the west side of Little >>Glass as well. It is not possible for snowflake to form here as the flows >>were too poor in cristobalite. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 15 20:59:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Apr 15 19:59:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <407F0A49.8030009@epix.net> Message-ID: <20040416025857.CAA03EA9119@delivery.infowest.com> My Geology Prof. told us that the snowflakes were "a fatal disease" of obsidian. Caused by water inclusions during formation, and they very gradually grow until the entire piece is "snowflake". I (used to?) have some material that was in this state, and is was just crumbling away into a powder. From the Utah desert. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of E. L. Jones Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:19 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? What is the "snow" portion of the obsidian --- cristobalite?(a hight pressure polymorph of Quartz). Elton Tim Fisher wrote: > All the snowflake at the Buttes was brought in by knappers. There are > many pieces in the mound at the porta-potty on the west side of Little > Glass as well. It is not possible for snowflake to form here as the > flows were too poor in cristobalite. > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 06:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Apr 16 05:39:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? References: <20040416025857.CAA03EA9119@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <004301c423af$ceacda20$30a3490c@pete> The inclusions are often said to be cristobalite, but I believe they are usually an intergrown mixture of cristobalite and sanidine feldspar. [I think at some point years past I X-ray some from glassy black obsidian from the Jemez Mountains, NM, and that's what it showed.] I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues to grow after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface conditions--doesn't continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 09:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Apr 16 08:19:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <004301c423af$ceacda20$30a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <20040416151808.80942EAAFF4@delivery.infowest.com> >I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues to grow after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface conditions--doesn't continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. Pete OK, Pete. I bow to your surely greater knowledge. But I (personally) will still go with Dr. Kennedy's statements, plus what I have personally observed. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 12:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 16 11:33:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? Message-ID: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Dear Margaret, And maybe you're right--I never want to contradict someone who's seen something first hand, because what do I know if I'm just theorizing about how I think it should be? But I've always understand that those "snowflake" crystallites in obsidian, grew at a measurable rate only when the obsidian was still warm/hot, and at cold, room temperature at the earth's surface, or in a museum, they would take "geologic time" to grow measurably. Well, we'll see.... Pete > > > >I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues to grow > after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon > that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while > things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface conditions--doesn't > continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. > > Pete > > > OK, Pete. I bow to your surely greater knowledge. But I (personally) will > still go with Dr. Kennedy's statements, plus what I have personally > observed. > > Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 14:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:07:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF969 48C9A8D9B909295@att.net> References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete is correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at the rate of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some people used this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass windows at the bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real explanation is that the glass was poured onto a not-completely-level sand mold and was there thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a few centuries. All rocks decompose, after all there is entropy inherent in everything made of matter. I believe what Margaret has observed is the evaporation of water which results in a lightning-speed (as compared to geologic time, anyway) crumbling of many minerals over short periods of time. Many vesicles in Oregon obsidian contain the white "snowflake stuff"; however it is always soft to begin with and the vesicles are always hollow. When you break the rock across one you allow the water in the minerals (I will defer to Pete on what they are lol) to evaporate, and voila! they crumble to powder. Seen it many times in "junk" obsidian in collections that I have bought. Margaret, I think you have misinterpreted what your prof was trying to tell you. IMO. We will all be quarks or whatever in a few billion billion years. Chomp on that one over your beer tonight :D At 11:32 AM 4/16/2004, you wrote: >Dear Margaret, > >And maybe you're right--I never want to contradict someone who's seen >something first hand, because what do I know if I'm just theorizing about >how I think it should be? But I've always understand that those >"snowflake" crystallites in obsidian, grew at a measurable rate only when >the obsidian was still warm/hot, and at cold, room temperature at the >earth's surface, or in a museum, they would take "geologic time" to grow >measurably. Well, we'll see.... > >Pete > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues to grow > > after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon > > that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while > > things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface conditions--doesn't > > continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. > > > > Pete > > > > > > OK, Pete. I bow to your surely greater knowledge. But I (personally) will > > still go with Dr. Kennedy's statements, plus what I have personally > > observed. > > > > Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 20:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (James Cummins) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mother earth Message-ID: James Cummins Sincerely, James Cummins ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 22:04:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Apr 16 21:04:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Who is Kelly Hanson? Message-ID: <4080AC95.9020100@tenforward.com> 4/14/2004 Who is Kelly Hanson? By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com Who is Kelly Hanson? Truth to tell, I really couldn't tell you. Oh, I know a few facts, but the nuts and bolts of it, the meat and the potatoes of who Kelly Hanson is, this is a mystery. After all, the man's a complete stranger to me, prior to this we'd never talked and had never met. But before we get out there too far, let's slow this up a bit and start back at the beginning. Last Tuesday, 4/13/2004, like most every other day, I checked my emails. With our telephone connection and 56k modem, the set of messages I was to receive that morning took forever to download. And, there were only 3. The first two were unremarkable (though I've just remarked on them), but the third, the third was different! This email was titled, fossil help. What is it? The email itself was without any text whatsoever and contained only photos, 5 of them to be exact, and if the lackluster beginning to this morning's mail dimmed my enthusiasm in any way, what was revealed on those 5 photos only sped me into a heightened state of mounting anxiety. My heart picked up its beat and my breath came quicker as I traveled through the entire sequence from top to bottom, reveling all the more with the passing of each image. Man this was just too cool, cool and significant. The 5 photos sent that morning out of the blue without text from a complete stranger were of the fossilized vertebrate remains of an ancient prehistoric animal, more specifically, the photos revealed a skull! And it was a good one too. Both the skull and the concretion containing it had been severely abused. This was evident as I examined the wear graphically exposed upon its surfaces, but no mistake, it was still a spectacular discovery. Many different aspects and orientations of the skull were exposed through the sequence, but the most impressive of these to me was a full on frontal shot highlighting four large teeth spectacularly. <--- TO SEE THE PHOTO, GO TO... http://www.dream-tool.com/tools/messages.mv?submit+mcrocksnet SCROLL DOWN TO MESSAGE BY ME WITH SAME TITLE AND CLICK. PHOTO IS AT THIS SAME POINT IN THE PAPER ---> The skull was enclosed within a large carbonate concretion along with a plethora of small shelled invertebrates and though resistant, the concretion was heavily worn. The smashed and battered surfaces of the teeth as they're exposed all too well reflect the harsh environment from which this concretion had been recovered. None the less, the preservation was awesome. This is one of the greatest gifts of fossil bearing concretions of this type, while their a bear to prepare, they can contain fossils whose preservation is remarkable in that often the smallest and most subtle detailed structures are preserved. And this concretion with its partially enclosed treasure revealed this in spades. Awesome, but the mystery still remained, who was Kelly Hanson? I began a search hoping to add some light to this very thing! My first step was to check the local phone book, nope no KH there. Next it was back to the computer where I began a search trying several different avenues of pursuit. After not too much effort, I'd found my man. But this guy lived in Idaho, I live hundreds of miles away, west of him on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. This was not what I'd expected. Through my search, I'd also found Kelly's phone number and next opted to try calling to make a direct contact. As I dialed the number I considered my opening statement. After several aborted thoughts, I finally opted for a simple hello, my name is John Cornish, did you write me? And miracle of miracles, the person on the other end of the line actually said yes! As we talked, Kelly related his story. It seems that Kelly and his family enjoy vacationing along the coast of Oregon and while there, they enjoy collecting fossils. They had been out looking for treasures that day when Kelly had meandered off from the others to look for fossils amongst the larger sized rocks. Here he hoped to find a specimen big enough to use as a doorstop, a unique gift which he hoped to present his boss. After a bit of searching, Kelly spotted what appeared to be a real winner. It was a roundish, flatish rock with beautiful shells profusely exposed all about its surface, with one look Kelly decided he'd found treasure. It was a big chunky thing and while he wanted it, he didn't want to haul it around with him throughout the day. With this thought in mind, Kelly decided to take his newly won specimen towards the parking area where he eventually dropped it off beside the beach trail. Folks coming and going over a several hour period, while Kelly and his family continued to enjoy their beach outing, each walked right by this incredible treasure. Eventually, Kelly and the family returned back towards their car where he retrieved his door stop along the way. Once back home, the rock rattled around in the car for awhile until Kelly took the specimen to work, where in the company sink, Kelly washed off his treasure for its forthcoming presentation to the boss. As he washed, Kelly noticed a brownish discolored area at the edge of the rock. There among the seashells was the obvious outlined shape of a fossil bone, and it looked to be a vertebra. With his excitement rising from his new discovery, Kelly again scrutinized his rock and was amazed to note this time on the rock's opposite end, four large exposed teeth. This was just too much. With a few moments pondering, and within bare minutes of giving his fossil seashell doorstop away, Kelly had found a whole new appreciation for his specimen and made the decision that he'd have to get his boss another gift. The rock went right back into the car! Still excited, Kelly and his wife Valerie, next took their specimen to show their fellow members at the local rock club. Among those present was club member Bev Bockman. As Kelly described his adventures and expounded on his willingness to discover the identity of his treasure, Bev took special note. Later, she talked to them and passed along the information necessary to contact me. And thus was received my mysterious email. For my part, I passed on the information I knew regarding his discovery and then sent Kelly on to a man whose local fossil knowledge and accomplishments far eclipsed my own, I sent him to Jim Goedert. For years Jim has worked with NW fossils and as an amateur, his accomplishments are a shining example of what we can all achieve if we're willing to go the distance. Jim has found numerous new species, has several named for him and publishes extensively. Sometime later that evening, Kelly and Jim talked and while I'm not privy to that conversation, I am to the email which Jim sent back to Kelly after reviewing his photos. Of those photos, Jim had this to say, "Beginner's luck really pays off sometimes! Nice sea-lion skull. As you could tell, the one end with the teeth is the snout. The other end, the structure that you said is a vertebra, is actually the occipital condyles - the part of the skull that attaches to the neck vertebra (the spinal cord exited the skull between those two structures) and above that is matrix inside the braincase. The very thin bone of the top part of the back of the skull has worn away. Looks like it was a male because of the crest on top of the skull." Jim went on to offer... "if you ever get tired of kicking it around and want to see what it looks like all cleaned up...... And, if you would then want to prepare a scientific paper on the skull, I would help you with that as well." Further, Jim is sending an information packet to Kelly with publications elucidating the vertebrate mysteries of our area. And from here, what's next for Kelly and his sea-lion skull? Personally I've no idea, but one thing I do know, I know how very fortunate we are to live in this special place, surrounded by such a treasure house of ancient fossilized beasties. If we're willing to get out and look, who knows what we can find? Kelly's door stop is propelling him and his family along a wonderful journey of continuing discoveries. One which may even lead to publication and will certainly lead to a fuller and more appreciative view of these incredible fossil resources. Will this be Kelly's last discovery, I doubt it. If Kelly's anything like me, there's a fire burning under him right now which is likely keeping him awake at night. What other treasures yet await him and his family, what treasures await you and yours? The study of Paleontology and the Earth Sciences in general is such a rewarding study for so very many reasons. This is only one of them. All the very best everyone and may your adventures be as fulfilling as Kelly's! Take care, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 16 22:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Apr 16 21:57:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <4080B8F3.8D6@Tomaszewski.net> A minor correction on the glass thickening. Flat glass used to be made by taking a blowpipe, dipping it into molten glass, and drawing it up while blowing to make a long, wide, tube. The tube was then cut down the length and spread flat while hot. The top of the tube was thinner at the top than the bottom because of the pull of gravity on the hot glass while it was being drawn and blown. Glass cylinders up to 6 ft diameter and 40 ft long were documented before the current float process was invented for making plate glass. And speaking of glass, obsidian is a natural glass. My understanding is that the snowflake inclusions, when exposed to air, sometimes have a composition that picks up and transports moisture from the air to the interior, where it starts breaking down the 'glass'. I think the real problem is that the 'glass' sometimes contains a diffusion of the inclusion, and is therefore more susceptible to attack. But (initial) drying may be a required precursor for later deterioration because of the chemical changes it initiates. I have one specimen that is slowly decomposing like Margaret's, but only one out of many (I've only had it about 15 years; I will be suprised it it survives three times more that long). The difference between it and my other specimens is that many (most?) of the snowflakes have centers that are/were vugs, and are (mostly/completely) filled with microcrystals of the inclusion -- and the ones that don't decompose have obsidian glass thruoughout the snowflakes. BTW, collecting usually involves multiple environment changes for the specimen that can affect humidity. Simply taking it home provides a different climate (my specimen is in Michigan and gets seasonal/annual cycles of wet/dry humidity). It may be extracted from previously unexposed rock, or a mostly closed/stable, and unique (cave/mine), environment. The physical size may be altered, and fresh surfaces may be exposed. And where you store the specimen may have a micro-climate of its own. Kreigh Tim Fisher wrote: > > Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete is > correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at the rate > of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some people used > this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass windows at the > bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real explanation is that the > glass was poured onto a not-completely-level sand mold and was there > thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a few centuries. All rocks > decompose, after all there is entropy inherent in everything made of > matter. I believe what Margaret has observed is the evaporation of water > which results in a lightning-speed (as compared to geologic time, anyway) > crumbling of many minerals over short periods of time. Many vesicles in > Oregon obsidian contain the white "snowflake stuff"; however it is always > soft to begin with and the vesicles are always hollow. When you break the > rock across one you allow the water in the minerals (I will defer to Pete > on what they are lol) to evaporate, and voila! they crumble to powder. Seen > it many times in "junk" obsidian in collections that I have bought. > Margaret, I think you have misinterpreted what your prof was trying to tell > you. IMO. > > We will all be quarks or whatever in a few billion billion years. Chomp on > that one over your beer tonight :D > > At 11:32 AM 4/16/2004, you wrote: > >Dear Margaret, > > > >And maybe you're right--I never want to contradict someone who's seen > >something first hand, because what do I know if I'm just theorizing about > >how I think it should be? But I've always understand that those > >"snowflake" crystallites in obsidian, grew at a measurable rate only when > >the obsidian was still warm/hot, and at cold, room temperature at the > >earth's surface, or in a museum, they would take "geologic time" to grow > >measurably. Well, we'll see.... > > > >Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues to grow > > > after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon > > > that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while > > > things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface conditions--doesn't > > > continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > OK, Pete. I bow to your surely greater knowledge. But I (personally) will > > > still go with Dr. Kennedy's statements, plus what I have personally > > > observed. > > > > > > Margaret From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 17 09:43:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Apr 17 08:43:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <4080B8F3.8D6@Tomaszewski.net> References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> <4080B8F3.8D6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040417083501.02036650@mail.spiritone.com> Very cool Kreigh. I found a web site at one time with the explanation for the thickening windows and that is what they offered as the explanation; I didn't know about blowing windows! Re the vugs - exactly what I tried to say lol. And I do agree that the areas surrounding the vugs are heavily laced with minerals; thus my reason for calling it "junk" obsidian. It doesn't score and break like normal "glassy" obsidian, so I think we are talking about a subspecies of obsidian here (to use the wrong term but what the heck it's early) that has a different chemical composition from run of the mill volcanic glass. And I did remember that mine came from north of Burns, so maybe there is some snowflake out there waiting to be discovered... Except mine aren't breaking down since I donated them to the Mount Hood club :)) At 09:59 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote: >A minor correction on the glass thickening. Flat glass used to be made >by taking a blowpipe, dipping it into molten glass, and drawing it up >while blowing to make a long, wide, tube. The tube was then cut down the >length and spread flat while hot. The top of the tube was thinner at the >top than the bottom because of the pull of gravity on the hot glass >while it was being drawn and blown. Glass cylinders up to 6 ft diameter >and 40 ft long were documented before the current float process was >invented for making plate glass. > >And speaking of glass, obsidian is a natural glass. My understanding is >that the snowflake inclusions, when exposed to air, sometimes have a >composition that picks up and transports moisture from the air to the >interior, where it starts breaking down the 'glass'. I think the real >problem is that the 'glass' sometimes contains a diffusion of the >inclusion, and is therefore more susceptible to attack. But (initial) >drying may be a required precursor for later deterioration because of >the chemical changes it initiates. > >I have one specimen that is slowly decomposing like Margaret's, but only >one out of many (I've only had it about 15 years; I will be suprised it >it survives three times more that long). The difference between it and >my other specimens is that many (most?) of the snowflakes have centers >that are/were vugs, and are (mostly/completely) filled with >microcrystals of the inclusion -- and the ones that don't decompose have >obsidian glass thruoughout the snowflakes. > >BTW, collecting usually involves multiple environment changes for the >specimen that can affect humidity. Simply taking it home provides a >different climate (my specimen is in Michigan and gets seasonal/annual >cycles of wet/dry humidity). It may be extracted from previously >unexposed rock, or a mostly closed/stable, and unique (cave/mine), >environment. The physical size may be altered, and fresh surfaces may be >exposed. And where you store the specimen may have a micro-climate of >its own. > >Kreigh > > > > >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete is > > correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at the rate > > of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some people used > > this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass windows at the > > bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real explanation is that the > > glass was poured onto a not-completely-level sand mold and was there > > thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a few centuries. All rocks > > decompose, after all there is entropy inherent in everything made of > > matter. I believe what Margaret has observed is the evaporation of water > > which results in a lightning-speed (as compared to geologic time, anyway) > > crumbling of many minerals over short periods of time. Many vesicles in > > Oregon obsidian contain the white "snowflake stuff"; however it is always > > soft to begin with and the vesicles are always hollow. When you break the > > rock across one you allow the water in the minerals (I will defer to Pete > > on what they are lol) to evaporate, and voila! they crumble to powder. Seen > > it many times in "junk" obsidian in collections that I have bought. > > Margaret, I think you have misinterpreted what your prof was trying to tell > > you. IMO. > > > > We will all be quarks or whatever in a few billion billion years. Chomp on > > that one over your beer tonight :D > > > > At 11:32 AM 4/16/2004, you wrote: > > >Dear Margaret, > > > > > >And maybe you're right--I never want to contradict someone who's seen > > >something first hand, because what do I know if I'm just theorizing about > > >how I think it should be? But I've always understand that those > > >"snowflake" crystallites in obsidian, grew at a measurable rate only when > > >the obsidian was still warm/hot, and at cold, room temperature at the > > >earth's surface, or in a museum, they would take "geologic time" to grow > > >measurably. Well, we'll see.... > > > > > >Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues > to grow > > > > after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon > > > > that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while > > > > things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface > conditions--doesn't > > > > continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, Pete. I bow to your surely greater knowledge. But I > (personally) will > > > > still go with Dr. Kennedy's statements, plus what I have personally > > > > observed. > > > > > > > > Margaret >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 17 16:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sat Apr 17 15:39:00 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <004301c423af$ceacda20$30a3490c@pete> References: <20040416025857.CAA03EA9119@delivery.infowest.com> <004301c423af$ceacda20$30a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <4081B163.10009@hal-pc.org> Peter J. Modreski wrote: >The inclusions are often said to be cristobalite, but I believe they are >usually an intergrown mixture of cristobalite and sanidine feldspar. [I >think at some point years past I X-ray some from glassy black obsidian from >the Jemez Mountains, NM, and that's what it showed.] > >I'm not sure that alteration to these snowflakes really continues to grow >after the rock is at the surface [I'm always the skeptic, please pardon >that, Margaret]. I think this is a change that happens at depth, while >things are warm, but is totally "frozen in" at surface conditions--doesn't >continue in one's basement or rock cabinet. > >Pete > "Obsidian" is defined in the AGI Dictionary of Geological Terms as "An ancient term for volcanic glass". But it is noted there that the modern interpretation is confined to low-water forms. The glassy texture is only one of many possible configurations that may arise from a rhyolite flow, ranging from almost pure glassy Obsidian, to pitchstone, which has a high percentage of water and micro-crystals (sanidine and topaz?), to perlite which is friable either by itself or with the application of heat. Not to mention the fine ashes of explosive volcanoes like Mt. St. Helens. I suspect one can search a given large rhyolite flow and find compositions and textures ranging all over the map, depending on the local circumstances of particular rock facies reaching the surface. I know that the Black Rock Desert in Utah has lots of plain black obsidian, lots with flow lines and mahagony color, and lots with a rough pitchy texture. Presumably these deposits came from the same series of rhyolite flows. Ruby Mountain at Nathrop,Colo. has perlite, along with hard grey vuggy rhyolite containing garnets and topaz. The perlite is riddled with tiny "Apache Tears". Topaz Mountain in Utah is an extensive white-grey rhyolite flow with beryl and topaz, and garnet in the hills close by. there are also Apache Tears just to the West of the rockhound area. The common theme of them all is a rhyolite flow, but there is a tremendous variety of form. "Snowflake" obsidian would classically be low-water glass with cristobalite and probably sanidine inclusions, a sort of incipient porphyry. The rest is anything up to what might be called slag or ash which may or may not get compressed into a "rock" before it weathers away, including crumbling in a collection somewhere. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 17 18:26:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Apr 17 17:26:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] what is your location? Message-ID: <126.3eab59cd.2daf0758@aol.com> I am looking for a mineralogical club in the western new york area. Are you located in this area, or are you further downstate? Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 17 18:26:19 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jeff Ching) Date: Sat Apr 17 17:26:19 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bill Mitchel Message-ID: <407EC9E6.3050402@netscape.net> Hi Tim, I was wondering if you know how to get ahold of Bill Mitchell if he can cut two sunstones for me that I found at the Dust Devil. 90 and 110 cts each clean and chunky. The email address on the site comes back to me as unsendable. any help appreciated. Sincerely, Jeff Ching From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 18 08:35:42 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sun Apr 18 07:35:42 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <40825667.8020504@hal-pc.org> Tim Fisher wrote: > Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete > is correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at > the rate of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some > people used this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass > windows at the bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real > explanation is that the glass was poured onto a not-completely-level > sand mold and was there thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a > few centuries. If the panes were installed at random, wouldn't some of them be thicker at the top than at the bottom? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 18 09:10:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Graham) Date: Sun Apr 18 08:10:03 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> <40825667.8020504@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <021b01c42557$2c92b0d0$7ff0bfcf@Jack> > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete > > is correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at > > the rate of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some > > people used this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass > > windows at the bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real > > explanation is that the glass was poured onto a not-completely-level > > sand mold and was there thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a > > few centuries. > From: "john" > If the panes were installed at random, wouldn't some of them be thicker > at the top than at the bottom? > They were not installed randomly. They were installed with the thicker part down because this was the "best" way to put oin the glass. Jack From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 18 09:40:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Apr 18 08:40:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADVERTISEMENT- minerals for sale References: <001401c4255a$81cb86a0$c7814c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <005e01c4255b$67b6c760$c7814c0c@fekib> I've just built a web site to get rid of some of my excess specimens. = I would sincerely appreciate any comments or suggestions.......(as well = as some sales!) Thanks.... Larry Rush www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play,=20 but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 18 11:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Apr 18 10:33:01 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <40825667.8020504@hal-pc.org> References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> <40825667.8020504@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040418102930.02056d90@mail.spiritone.com> My personal opinion is that they installed the thicker edge on the bottom to better take the weight of the pane. At 03:20 AM 4/18/2004, you wrote: >Tim Fisher wrote: > >>Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete is >>correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at the >>rate of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some people >>used this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass windows at >>the bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real explanation is that >>the glass was poured onto a not-completely-level sand mold and was there >>thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a few centuries. > >If the panes were installed at random, wouldn't some of them be thicker at >the top than at the bottom? > >john Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 18 16:16:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sun Apr 18 15:16:02 2004 Subject: |][Rockhounds] Question: What is the snowflake? In-Reply-To: <021b01c42557$2c92b0d0$7ff0bfcf@Jack> References: <041620041832.23050.408026C40006DDFC00005A0A2160383116FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> <6.1.0.3.2.20040416125315.01f18870@mail.spiritone.com> <40825667.8020504@hal-pc.org> <021b01c42557$2c92b0d0$7ff0bfcf@Jack> Message-ID: <4082FDA4.9010404@hal-pc.org> Jack Graham wrote: > > >>Tim Fisher wrote: >> >> >> >>>Pete and Margaret, I too have heard the same thing, and I think Pete >>>is correct. For example, glass will "flow" at normal temperatures, at >>>the rate of micrometers a million years or something like that. Some >>>people used this fact to interpret the thickening of medieval glass >>>windows at the bottom as evidence that they "flowed". The real >>>explanation is that the glass was poured onto a not-completely-level >>>sand mold and was there thicker at one end; it didn't "flow" in only a >>>few centuries. >>> >>> >From: "john" > > > >>If the panes were installed at random, wouldn't some of them be thicker >>at the top than at the bottom? >> >> >> > >They were not installed randomly. They were installed with the thicker part >down because this was the "best" way to put in the glass. > >Jack > > Apparently that's so. A google search of "glass flow" turned up over 2 million hits. The idea that glass could flow has been traced to an obscure statement by a German professor in the late XIX Century. And he was probably misquoted at that. It would seem that the old idea of glass being a "super-cooled liquid" has been discredited in favor of an amorphous solid. And solids do not flow by themselves almost by definition. In any event, if volcanic glass, aka Obsidian, did flow, wouldn't the Obsidian Wall in Yellowstone Park be a giant puddle on the ground by now? From what I have seen and common sense would indicate, the "glass" weathers away quite rapidly, long before it flows anywhere. Still, consider that substance we take for granted, so much so that we do not think twice about breaking it into pieces and throwing it away. It's a minor miracle that it should be so sturdy and long-lasting, yet so wonderfully transparent to visible light. Add color and an artist and strikingly beautiful works of art result. All from some quartz, lime, and soda. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 19 09:24:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (roger everest) Date: Mon Apr 19 08:24:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Graham Reeks Message-ID: To Horst Windisch Hello, I am trying to trace a cousin of mine called Graham Reeks, born in England over 50 years ago. I have never met him and he won't know me. Can you say if your good friend Graham Reeks from Weltevreden Park, Roodepoorte, fits the above description. If so will you please ask him to contact me. Thanks a lot for any lead you can give and I am sorry for the trouble if it turns out to be a false trail. Kind regards, Yours sincerely, Roger Everest (Barrister) PO Box 32, Pontyclun CF72 9YQ, United Kingdom _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 19 16:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Apr 19 15:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD:Vacation Message-ID: <000801c42659$683ba260$425204d0@jim> > Sauktown Sales is shutting down for vacation. We'll be > gone from Wednesday, April 21 through Monday May 3. > When we return there will be a new update to the list. > Thanks, > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > www.sauktown.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 14:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gordon Halley) Date: Wed Apr 21 13:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040421165252.01b34a08@pop3.mail.wowway.com> Greetings everyone! I have not been active in rock collecting for 20+ years. Previously lived in the Seattle area for 25 years, from where we traveled and dug all over Washington and Oregon and occasionally Idaho, Montana, and Arizona and New Mexico. Belonged to the Kent (WA) Rocknockers for several years and wonder if the organization is still active/in existence. I'm now in central Ohio (for the last 20 years) and am interested in "catching up" with the hobby and seeing what's going on nowadays. Would like to hear from anyone. Gordon Halley --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 19:22:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Wed Apr 21 18:22:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber Message-ID: <000201c42808$2f71e7e0$4fb2950c@jessie> I have had a question from a lady here. She has a large sack full of = small amber pieces she gathered in the Baltic area as a child. She would = like to polish them - at least the major surfaces. She doesn't want to = melt the surface to do so. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to = go about polishing them? =20 I would guess they might tumble like Apache tears with the same = problems of scratching, etc. but that's a guess.=20 Thanks, Mel Albright --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 20:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Apr 21 19:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Welcome George Halley Message-ID: <018d01c4280c$ba27b6e0$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> George, Welcome to the mail group! I have only been on the list for a short time, but I am amazed at how = good the members are at answering mineral questions, locating other = rockhounds, and lots of other good stuff! Enjoy & don't be shy with your posts. Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 21:39:30 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:39:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Welcome GORDON Halley Message-ID: <019c01c4280d$37f7f760$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> Sorry, I meant Gordon... Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Glenn Wimpee=20 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: Welcome George Halley George, Welcome to the mail group! I have only been on the list for a short time, but I am amazed at how = good the members are at answering mineral questions, locating other = rockhounds, and lots of other good stuff! Enjoy & don't be shy with your posts. Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 21:39:48 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:39:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber In-Reply-To: <000201c42808$2f71e7e0$4fb2950c@jessie> Message-ID: <00a101c4280e$f13c71a0$6501a8c0@moose> Yup... I'd like to know, too. I picked up a parcel of copal a while ago. The stuff is so light it doesn't tumble well... gcb > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mel Albright > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:09 PM > To: Rocks and Fossils; Rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber > > > I have had a question from a lady here. She has a large sack > full of small amber pieces she gathered in the Baltic area as > a child. She would like to polish them - at least the major > surfaces. She doesn't want to melt the surface to do so. Does > anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about polishing them? > I would guess they might tumble like Apache tears with the > same problems of scratching, etc. but that's a guess. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 21:39:55 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:39:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber Message-ID: <19e.2324682d.2db88352@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/04 6:22:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mela@bartnet.net writes: Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about polishing them? I would guess they might tumble like Apache tears with the same problems of scratching, etc. but that's a guess. I don't think tumbling would be very effective. Amber floats. I think rubbing them by hand might be best, using really fine sand paper or emery cloth, maybe 400 or even 600. you could tape it to something smooth and flat like glass and rub the amber on it. It would be like using the Lap-lap, only with a softer substance. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 21:40:22 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gordon Halley) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:40:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Welcome George Halley In-Reply-To: <018d01c4280c$ba27b6e0$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> References: <018d01c4280c$ba27b6e0$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040421223401.01b83b50@pop3.mail.wowway.com> At 08:54 PM 4/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: >George, > >Welcome to the mail group! >I have only been on the list for a short time, but I am amazed at how good >the members are at answering mineral questions, locating other rockhounds, >and lots of other good stuff! >Enjoy & don't be shy with your posts. > >Glenn Wimpee >Irvington, Alabama Thanks Glenn, but check it out -- my name is Gordon! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 21:40:37 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WES LINGERFELT) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:40:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber In-Reply-To: <000201c42808$2f71e7e0$4fb2950c@jessie> Message-ID: <20040422025431.64110.qmail@web80312.mail.yahoo.com> Mel. I would try tumbling them with "Vibra-Dry" from Diamond Pacific and start them on around 1700 mesh. That should do it! Cheers! Mel Albright wrote:I have had a question from a lady here. She has a large sack full of small amber pieces she gathered in the Baltic area as a child. She would like to polish them - at least the major surfaces. She doesn't want to melt the surface to do so. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about polishing them? I would guess they might tumble like Apache tears with the same problems of scratching, etc. but that's a guess. Thanks, Mel Albright --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 21:40:49 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Bese) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:40:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #777 - 1 msg Message-ID: Hey Gordo, will check on the Kent club. I was born and raised in the Kent/Renton are. I now live southwest of Pt. Orchard and work in Auburn --- David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 21 23:20:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Wed Apr 21 22:20:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Welcome George Halley References: <018d01c4280c$ba27b6e0$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040421223401.01b83b50@pop3.mail.wowway.com> Message-ID: <004f01c42829$668b1e60$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Gordon, I echo the welcome to the list and agree with all that was in Glenn's post. Don't be thrown off by the name mix up......it just goes to show that this list is populated by good, plain, folks who sometimes get a few wires crossed! Above all, you will enjoy the list. I learn something in almost every thread even if it does not seem to interest me at first. DaveW Rome, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Halley" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Welcome George Halley > At 08:54 PM 4/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >George, > > > >Welcome to the mail group! > >I have only been on the list for a short time, but I am amazed at how good > >the members are at answering mineral questions, locating other rockhounds, > >and lots of other good stuff! > >Enjoy & don't be shy with your posts. > > > >Glenn Wimpee > >Irvington, Alabama > > Thanks Glenn, but check it out -- my name is Gordon! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 02:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Apr 22 01:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber References: <000201c42808$2f71e7e0$4fb2950c@jessie> Message-ID: <002001c42843$19bcf3f0$6402a8c0@axel> Hi Mel, send her this: http://groups.msn.com/lostfossils/howtopolishamber.msnw indeed, tumbling won't work. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Albright" To: "Rocks and Fossils" ; "Rockhounds" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:09 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber I have had a question from a lady here. She has a large sack full of small amber pieces she gathered in the Baltic area as a child. She would like to polish them - at least the major surfaces. She doesn't want to melt the surface to do so. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about polishing them? I would guess they might tumble like Apache tears with the same problems of scratching, etc. but that's a guess. Thanks, Mel Albright --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 02:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Apr 22 01:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) Message-ID: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> Hi group, The simplest way to find something is to ask. Not a week goes by or there is someone in the group that wants to find = something. So, I thought I'd share this with you: I 've been using Copernic Basic Agent for some years now as my favorite = search engine. It usually turns up more results to a query than Google = or Yahoo, quite some, I might add. And it's absolutely....... (drumroll please).... FREE.=20 Check it out: http://www.copernic.com/ Naturally, any software has it's limitations: Copernic won't help you = find the meaning of life, God or a pot of gold. Generally speaking = however I learned that when Copernic doesn't find what you're looking = for, it doesn't exist or your search string is flawed (spelling error, = wrong words). Cheers Axel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 06:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Apr 22 05:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) References: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <002d01c42864$d54f4840$98a5490c@pete> You know, Axel, I used to use Copernic, someone had told me about it a couple of years ago (I think it was Van King, as a matter of fact). And then, Copernic seemed to change, it seemed to become a paid-only service, and I couldn't access it any more, and I haven't tried it since. I'll have to try again. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) Hi group, The simplest way to find something is to ask. Not a week goes by or there is someone in the group that wants to find something. So, I thought I'd share this with you: I 've been using Copernic Basic Agent for some years now as my favorite search engine. It usually turns up more results to a query than Google or Yahoo, quite some, I might add. And it's absolutely....... (drumroll please).... FREE. Check it out: http://www.copernic.com/ Naturally, any software has it's limitations: Copernic won't help you find the meaning of life, God or a pot of gold. Generally speaking however I learned that when Copernic doesn't find what you're looking for, it doesn't exist or your search string is flawed (spelling error, wrong words). Cheers Axel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 06:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Thu Apr 22 05:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) In-Reply-To: <002d01c42864$d54f4840$98a5490c@pete> Message-ID: Hi Axel, I too used Copernic, but in the end I found it less successful than good old google. Copernics seems to look more at the titles of the pages, while google really snifs through the contence of the pages. All depends of course on how the common search engines Copernic works with operate. Maybe they are improved by now. Also Copernic returns only the ten upper hits of each search engine. So when you really want to find some obscure site it is still best to spent some time at different search engines. It often helps to look for search engines from abroad. When for instance looking for Russian mineralogical sites I favor search engines like Yandex.ru or aport.ru Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Peter J. Modreski Sent: 22 April 2004 14:25 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) You know, Axel, I used to use Copernic, someone had told me about it a couple of years ago (I think it was Van King, as a matter of fact). And then, Copernic seemed to change, it seemed to become a paid-only service, and I couldn't access it any more, and I haven't tried it since. I'll have to try again. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) Hi group, The simplest way to find something is to ask. Not a week goes by or there is someone in the group that wants to find something. So, I thought I'd share this with you: I 've been using Copernic Basic Agent for some years now as my favorite search engine. It usually turns up more results to a query than Google or Yahoo, quite some, I might add. And it's absolutely....... (drumroll please).... FREE. Check it out: http://www.copernic.com/ Naturally, any software has it's limitations: Copernic won't help you find the meaning of life, God or a pot of gold. Generally speaking however I learned that when Copernic doesn't find what you're looking for, it doesn't exist or your search string is flawed (spelling error, wrong words). Cheers Axel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 06:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gordon Halley) Date: Thu Apr 22 05:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Welcome George Halley In-Reply-To: <004f01c42829$668b1e60$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> References: <018d01c4280c$ba27b6e0$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040421223401.01b83b50@pop3.mail.wowway.com> <004f01c42829$668b1e60$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040422085131.01b42560@pop3.mail.wowway.com> Never fear, name mixes don't put me off. Some of them are downright amusing! Thanks for the welcome. Gordon. At 01:19 AM 4/22/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Gordon, > I echo the welcome to the list and agree with all that was in Glenn's >post. Don't be thrown off by the name mix up......it just goes to show that From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 07:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 22 06:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) In-Reply-To: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> References: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <6871.145.78.21.5.1082640523.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> > Hi group, > > The simplest way to find something is to ask. > Not a week goes by or there is someone in the group that wants to find > something. So, I thought I'd share this with you: > I 've been using Copernic Basic Agent for some years now as my favorite > search engine. It usually turns up more results to a query than Google or > Yahoo, quite some, I might add. > And it's absolutely....... (drumroll please).... FREE. > Check it out: http://www.copernic.com/ > > Naturally, any software has it's limitations: Copernic won't help you find > the meaning of life, God or a pot of gold. Well... Google will. Just do a search on "answer to life the universe and everything" :-) Mark. -- snip -- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 07:52:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Apr 22 06:52:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Your email - collecting in N. Kentucky, S. Indiana and S. Ohio Message-ID: <20040422135124.25896.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gordon: I saw your joinup email to the drizzle list and thought I'd say hi! I live in SW West Virginia, and collect a lot in Kentucky and a little bit in Ohio. Both states have pretty good collecting, particularly in 400 M-year-old fossils, geodes, and calcite and fluorite. We've been collecting a lot near Owingsville Ky, Georgetown Oh, Maysville Ky, and SW of Berea Ky, where there is a large geode field. Owingsville Ky is right on I64 near exit # 121and is an excellent place to collect. The top of the local formation contains silicified marine fossils, many of which are geodized, that is, hollow with crystals lining the void. There were several episodes of mineralization, and we see quartz, dolomite, pyrite (or chalcopyrite) more or less deposited in that order. Lower in the formation, there are vugs in limestone, with a similar set of mineralization. Lower still there are larger pyrites, up to a cm on edge, embedded in the limestone. MAysville is a well-known area for marine fossils, also occasionally geodized. We've collected plates of sea-bed, more-or-less solid undifferentiated linestone with rare straight (as opposed to nautaloid) cephalopods that are geodized with calcite and barite, crinoids, and I am told there are trilobites there too. Georgetown Oh is also fossil country. On Ohio state route 125 just W of town there is a pair of large roadcuts with prolific brachiopods. Some percentage of these brachs are geodized, and they contain calcite, dolomite, celestine, sphalerite, etc. These are fragile and difficult to open w./o damaging the contents. Just W of Cincinnati in Indiana, Harrodsburg I think, there are prolific geode beds, which contain interesting crystals, although I haven't personally collected there yet. It is on the short list for a trip this spring, maybe in May. I hope to cast a ":Vote Early" ballot and take a 4-day weekend the 8-11th of May and visit S Indiana...but we'll see. Maybe we can get together and bust rock sometime, JR Hodel, Hamlin WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 08:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Apr 22 07:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) References: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> <6871.145.78.21.5.1082640523.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001601c42876$456d4ee0$6402a8c0@axel> Marc wrote >Well... Google will. Just do a search on "answer to life the universe and >everything" :-) Oh yes... HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY ;-))) I should have known..... Well, my friend, that's good but not good enough!!! Look what my Copernic found... THERE: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm and THERE http://www.1greathost.net/firstpage.html again... I sooooo wouhaha! Cheers Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 08:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Apr 22 07:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) References: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> <002d01c42864$d54f4840$98a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <002a01c42879$f3054820$6402a8c0@axel> Hi Pete, no it didn't become paid-only... you probably fell victim to Bill Gates just like I did. My Copernic refused to work properly after I installed Windows ME (go ahead, make fun of me ;-))) It seems there was a problem with Windows ME, 2000 and XP. Although I had the free Basic Agent, I contacted the Copernic helpdesk and they went to great length to help me out. After a week they even sent me copy of their "new version" two months prior to the official release date. I still use it without problems. Still free too. Maurice wrote >Copernic returns only the ten upper hits of each >search engine. So when you really want to find some obscure site it is still >best to spent some time at different search engines True Maurice! I use Google and Yahoo too but when they don't return a good result, I us Copernic. Usually it delivers... But there may be a some better ones out there, absolutely. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) > You know, Axel, I used to use Copernic, someone had told me about it a > couple of years ago (I think it was Van King, as a matter of fact). And > then, Copernic seemed to change, it seemed to become a paid-only service, > and I couldn't access it any more, and I haven't tried it since. I'll have > to try again. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:43 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) > > > Hi group, > > The simplest way to find something is to ask. > Not a week goes by or there is someone in the group that wants to find > something. So, I thought I'd share this with you: > I 've been using Copernic Basic Agent for some years now as my favorite > search engine. It usually turns up more results to a query than Google or > Yahoo, quite some, I might add. > And it's absolutely....... (drumroll please).... FREE. > Check it out: http://www.copernic.com/ > > Naturally, any software has it's limitations: Copernic won't help you find > the meaning of life, God or a pot of gold. Generally speaking however I > learned that when Copernic doesn't find what you're looking for, it doesn't > exist or your search string is flawed (spelling error, wrong words). > > Cheers > > Axel > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 10:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Thu Apr 22 09:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek, and thou shalt find ;-))) In-Reply-To: <001601c42876$456d4ee0$6402a8c0@axel> References: <005101c42845$e39b3270$6402a8c0@axel> <6871.145.78.21.5.1082640523.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001601c42876$456d4ee0$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <4087F8E7.7070109@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >Marc wrote > > > >>Well... Google will. Just do a search on "answer to life the universe and >>everything" :-) >> >> > >Oh yes... HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY ;-))) >I should have known..... >Well, my friend, that's good but not good enough!!! > >Look what my Copernic found... THERE: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm >and THERE http://www.1greathost.net/firstpage.html again... > >I sooooo wouhaha! > >Cheers > >Axel > > What about the 0th page? It's all C to me, ya' know. I want to hear what Marvin has to say. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 14:59:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 22 13:59:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Indiana Fossil Geodes Message-ID: <20040422.155016.-495747.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Hi All, I'm normally a Keokuk geode collector, but I had the opportunity to start a collection of Indiana geodes by collecting in Monroe County, IN. I posted pictures of the best in my collection so far at the following link: http://home.swbell.net/rvaisvil/photos4.html On that link are picture of several fossil-looking geodes that I found. If any of you all can help me ID those fossil geodes - or give me any info on the arrowhead pictured - I'd appreciate it. Of course being a geode guy primarily, I'd be willing to part with any of those pictured if you want to make me an offer (sent directly to my personal e-mail). Thanks, Kenneth Vaisvil kjvgorock@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 17:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Apr 22 16:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Indiana Fossil Geodes References: <20040422.155016.-495747.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <408855DB.3148@Tomaszewski.net> Fossil geodes from that area are not uncommon. They are 'inflated' versions of common fossils like brachiopods and horn corals. I have several in my collection; I saw some on display at the Field Museum in Chicago on my last visit (my kids said mine were better). The best explanation I have been able to find for their enlarged size is that the original fossil was gypsum. The later addition of water caused it to expand, and the gypsum was then replaced by quartz. You can't always identify these geode pseudomorphs after (gypsum) fossils because of the distortions caused by their expansion, but the good ones are easily identified with a fossil guide if you go by form and ignore size. I am not aware of similar geode fossils being found in other locations. Kreigh kjvgorock@juno.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm normally a Keokuk geode collector, but I had the opportunity to start > a collection of Indiana geodes by collecting in Monroe County, IN. > > I posted pictures of the best in my collection so far at the following > link: > http://home.swbell.net/rvaisvil/photos4.html > > On that link are picture of several fossil-looking geodes that I found. > If any of you all can help me ID those fossil geodes - or give me any > info on the arrowhead pictured - I'd appreciate it. > > Of course being a geode guy primarily, I'd be willing to part with any of > those pictured if you want to make me an offer (sent directly to my > personal e-mail). > > Thanks, > Kenneth Vaisvil > kjvgorock@juno.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 18:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Memphis, TN show this weekend Message-ID: <408726F0.72222F16@icx.net> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Memphis Archaeological and Geological Society's 25th Mid-America Mineral, Fossil, and Jewelry Show this weekend in Memphis, Tennessee. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! I will have several items from the Tucson shows as well as the high pressure water guns for cleaning minerals and fossils (at a GREAT price!). Stop by and see what's new! Dates: Saturday and Sunday, April 24&25, 2004 Hours: Saturday - 9:00 am - 6:00 pm Sunday - 10:00 am - 5:00 pm Location: Pipkin Building, Fairgrounds, Memphis, TN Central Ave At E Parkway S Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 18:24:11 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Janene Comer) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:24:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. Message-ID: Hi, I am a Scoutmaster in Lehi, Utah. We are planning to take our scouts to Topaz Mtn. in a couple weeks. Can you provide any assistance in the way of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. Thanks.... return email to kcomer@civilscience.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 19:03:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:03:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040422180348.02022c20@mail.spiritone.com> There is an excellent book available on Topaz Mtn.; search for it on Google and it will tell more than you want to know about the area. At 05:50 AM 4/22/2004, you wrote: >Hi, I am a Scoutmaster in Lehi, Utah. We are planning to take our scouts >to Topaz Mtn. in a couple weeks. Can you provide any assistance in the way >of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. > >Thanks.... > >return email to kcomer@civilscience.com Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 20:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:19:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Memphis, TN show this weekend Message-ID: <198.28972b27.2db9d6d4@aol.com> Great John I'll see you there - I'll be working at the show all weekend and will definitely stop by and introduce myself and say Hi. See ya there, Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 21:25:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:25:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. Message-ID: <92.918fb7c.2db9e67f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/22/04 5:24:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janene@cosmicpictures.net writes: . Can you provide any assistance in the way of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. ************** When you get to Topaz Mountain on the paved Bush-Welman Road there is a big wooden, Forest Service type sign saying something about the Topaz Mountain rockhounding area. You turn onto the dirt road there -- turn right if you are coming in from the East side. If you come in on I-15 or Highway 6 turn west on the Bush-Welman Road, go about 50 miles and that sign will be on your right. It is hard to miss. There is not much out there. The best part of the mountain for rockhounds, the Cove, is about 2 - 3 miles away from that entrance and it is visible over the open desert. That big mountain you see slightly to your left is Topaz Mt. and it is slightly to the left as you turn in at the sign. A mile or so in on the dirt road there is a fork. If you go straight the road will skirt the East side of the mountain. However, you should turn left. That will put you into a maze of dirt roads that all run parallel to the Bush-Welman Road. Follow one of those back until they begin turning into the Cove. Almost all of them merge and go into the Cove. Now for you New Englander's I better explain the Cove. It has nothing to do with bays, inlets, gulfs, estuaries, or other watery spaces. The Cove is a canyon. Or maybe I should say Topaz Mountain is U (or horseshoe) shaped with the Cove going into the center of the U. Most of the dirt roads merge as the cove narrows. And the dirt on that road is full of millions of clear, colorless topaz crystals. If you are looking into the sun and see something gleaming with reflected sunlight, that is a topaz. At times it looks like somebody shattered dozens of windshields out there. Once you have montain on your left and mountain on your right, your entire view ahead of you will be looking at a huge grey mass of rhyolite. You will see an occasional stunted juniper and the camps of other rockhounds, but the flat gray color of Topaz Mountain is all around you. And that rhyolite is filled with millions of vugs full of topaz. Your jobs is to get them out and into containers. Nature has been weathering them out out of the rhyolite for thousands of years, so a shovel and 1/8 inch screen works well in the dust on the road. Or you can go up on the mountain with hammers and chisels. You might also fiind garnets and red beryl. The park service usually does some plassting to open up new working areas so ask the other campers. And take lots of water and toilet paper. There is a store about 50 miles from the Cove but I don't like running into town every day. There are no port-a-potties back their so be prepared. And watch where you step. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 21:31:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Bese) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:31:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] (No Subject) Message-ID: For Utah go here http://www.utahrockhounds.com/sites/index.htm --- David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 22 22:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tina Tuttle) Date: Thu Apr 22 21:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] geodes in s indiana Message-ID: In response to JR Hodel's email to Glenn-- JR: I'd like more info on the berea site you mention. Living here now in near bloomington, IN, I've had the privilige of hunting geodes on some of the local roadcuts including the one you mentioned. The Harrodsburg cut (60 mi south of Indianapolis on hwy 37) periodically yeilds some interesting finds, but the serious fanatics have already cleaned out most of the good stuff after the last thaw. I was there last week and it was slim pickins compared to anytime last year. I think a bus of rockhounds came by. You can still find the odd dolomite and calcite here and there. A few of the seams are productive--just look for the cleaned out, hollowed out gouges in the cliff! The overhangs are getting a little perilous and because the caprock is doing such a good job, the new surface it hasn't weathered enough to be cooperative. Last year I saw the Serious Collectors come down, complete with their compressor, carbide bits on some serious power tools, ladders, saws, etc. Just missing the dynamite... The key is to hit that cut in the early spring for best picken's or after other collectors have given up that last exposed geode with barite, calcite, and sphalerite... If you like fossils, the roadcut on north highway one, 20-30 minutes from Cinci, off the 74 (st leon exit) is the most prolific site I've been to. It's like drive-thru collecting: park, collect, leave. Sadly, it is addicting (I paid for that addiction in the last move). It will continue to yeild for a long time as it is layer upon layer of ordovician brachiopods, corals etc and the odd orthoceras (straight cephalopods) segment. The plates here, which I've heard called "mortality plates"-- you couldn't cram more fossils per square inch if you tried. The 80' cliffs of the cut are very nicely terraced--3 high, with wide benches wide enough to nearly drive on. There are also abundant micro fossils (see drydredgers website). I've always had the best luck on on the east cliff around the middle to top section. This would be the best kind of collecting with 10 year olds or older as there is no hammer needed, just eyeballs, a bucket and lots of water (to drink, not clean the fossils!) This is pretty hot in the summer, so bring provisions. NEarby is a resort reservoir for convenient dining. Pick up beer flats at the liquor store as you come in to st leon. Happy collecting. tina tuttle bloomington indiana _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 23 06:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Fri Apr 23 05:07:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. Message-ID: <22DC50D40D6E7A46803A3B0D3576AB310784B8@wv01se01.atk.com> The best way to collect the crystals is in the flats. The rhyolite which holds the topaz is tough. It can be a workout to get at. Knowing how scouts are, I would recommend staying away from "hard rock working". The rock chips and requires eye/hand protection. And where the BLM does blast, the rocks formed are sharp. The chance for injury is high. Scouts will become bored soon and just chase the lizards anyway. Remember it can get hot out there and there is no water. I do miss going there though. I have collected topaz, garnets, fluorite, obsidian, and beryllium nodules in the area. Transplanted Utahn living in West Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Janene Comer [mailto:janene@cosmicpictures.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:51 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. Hi, I am a Scoutmaster in Lehi, Utah. We are planning to take our scouts to Topaz Mtn. in a couple weeks. Can you provide any assistance in the way of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. Thanks.... return email to kcomer@civilscience.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 23 11:36:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Apr 23 10:36:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. In-Reply-To: <22DC50D40D6E7A46803A3B0D3576AB310784B8@wv01se01.atk.com> Message-ID: Just remember that if you want any good-colored topaz crystals, you will need to dig them out of the pockets. Any crystals on the surface will be faded. Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Davis, Dennis Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 6:06 AM To: 'rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. The best way to collect the crystals is in the flats. The rhyolite which holds the topaz is tough. It can be a workout to get at. Knowing how scouts are, I would recommend staying away from "hard rock working". The rock chips and requires eye/hand protection. And where the BLM does blast, the rocks formed are sharp. The chance for injury is high. Scouts will become bored soon and just chase the lizards anyway. Remember it can get hot out there and there is no water. I do miss going there though. I have collected topaz, garnets, fluorite, obsidian, and beryllium nodules in the area. Transplanted Utahn living in West Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Janene Comer [mailto:janene@cosmicpictures.net] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:51 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. Hi, I am a Scoutmaster in Lehi, Utah. We are planning to take our scouts to Topaz Mtn. in a couple weeks. Can you provide any assistance in the way of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. Thanks.... return email to kcomer@civilscience.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 23 12:39:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Fri Apr 23 11:39:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. In-Reply-To: <92.918fb7c.2db9e67f@aol.com> References: <92.918fb7c.2db9e67f@aol.com> Message-ID: <40896245.1000708@hal-pc.org> Lapadary@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/22/04 5:24:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >janene@cosmicpictures.net writes: >. Can you provide any assistance in the way >of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. >************** >When you get to Topaz Mountain on the paved Bush-Welman Road there is a big >wooden, Forest Service type sign saying something about the Topaz Mountain >rockhounding area. You turn onto the dirt road there -- turn right if you are >coming in from the East side. If you come in on I-15 or Highway 6 turn west on the >Bush-Welman Road, go about 50 miles and that sign will be on your right. It >is hard to miss. There is not much out there. > >The best part of the mountain for rockhounds, the Cove, is about 2 - 3 miles >away from that entrance and it is visible over the open desert. That big >mountain you see slightly to your left is Topaz Mt. and it is slightly to the left >as you turn in at the sign. A mile or so in on the dirt road there is a fork. >If you go straight the road will skirt the East side of the mountain. > >However, you should turn left. That will put you into a maze of dirt roads >that all run parallel to the Bush-Welman Road. Follow one of those back until >they begin turning into the Cove. Almost all of them merge and go into the Cove. > >Now for you New Englander's I better explain the Cove. It has nothing to do >with bays, inlets, gulfs, estuaries, or other watery spaces. The Cove is a >canyon. Or maybe I should say Topaz Mountain is U (or horseshoe) shaped with the >Cove going into the center of the U. Most of the dirt roads merge as the cove >narrows. And the dirt on that road is full of millions of clear, colorless >topaz crystals. If you are looking into the sun and see something gleaming with >reflected sunlight, that is a topaz. At times it looks like somebody shattered >dozens of windshields out there. > >Once you have montain on your left and mountain on your right, your entire >view ahead of you will be looking at a huge grey mass of rhyolite. You will see >an occasional stunted juniper and the camps of other rockhounds, but the flat >gray color of Topaz Mountain is all around you. And that rhyolite is filled >with millions of vugs full of topaz. Your jobs is to get them out and into >containers. > >Nature has been weathering them out out of the rhyolite for thousands of >years, so a shovel and 1/8 inch screen works well in the dust on the road. Or you >can go up on the mountain with hammers and chisels. You might also find >garnets and red beryl. The park service usually does some plassting to open up new >working areas so ask the other campers. And take lots of water and toilet >paper. There is a store about 50 miles from the Cove but I don't like running into >town every day. There are no port-a-potties back there so be prepared. And >watch where you step. > >Grant > > To get to Brush-Wellman road, go North at the junction of US6/50 in Delta on US6 for about 10 miles. To the left is the junction of Co. Road 174. This is the Brush-Wellman Road. The processing plant just off 174 to the NW is the Beryllium plant of the Spohr Mountain Mining Company. They used to allow collecting with permission, but don't anymore. Co. Road 174 is paved all the way to Topaz Mtn and a little beyond. From US6, following 174, the Juab Co. line is marked at about 21.5 miles. At about 36.5 miles is the dirt road to the Right leading to "The Cove" and Topaz Mtn. All you really need to do is follow your nose bearing Left into the area. There is plenty of rock to crack and sand to sift for xtals. The good material is in the rock and needs to be broken out. Take sledges and pry bars. As noted elsewhere there are no facilities of any kind. Bring your own water and help. Another goood locality is just off Brush-Wellman Road about a mile before the Topaz Mtn turnoff. It is a dirt road leading South (Left when coming from Delta). It winds through the Drum Mtns and has a few ghost towns around it. But the area you want is about 1.5 miles down and to the Right (SW). A road leads over to a steep trail which can be negotiated with high-clearance or 4WD. This is Agate Hill, and all over the top slopes are agate nodules and geodes in situ. Some of it is very nice and the colors can be good. But it is hard and SPLINTERY and needs care to extract. One of the nice things about it is that the Rhyolite can intermesh with the agate and they are about the same hardness, which makes them nice to cut. Agate Hill: GPS 12 325641E 4388881N 5284 ft elev. Another locality, this for Apache Tears, is at the end of the paved road about 6.5 miles beyond the Topaz Mtn turnoff. Just beyond where the dirt road that goes straight begins, there is a dirt track to the right. This little mound is where the Apache Tears are found. The main dirt road continues NW to the Pony Express Road and Fish Springs. It is very sandy and 4WD is recommended though it is not particularly rough. You can go down it a few miles and look up to the left at Spohr Mtn, and see the active Fluorspar and Beryllium mines. There is a turn-around at an old (rasberry) spar dump at about 4 miles. A 2WD car can make it ok. And just before reaching the old spar dump, you come to a big pile of tailings to the Right. This is the Yellow Chief Uranium mine. It is posted. the area is patrolled by mine security personnel. Have fun. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 23 14:22:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Apr 23 13:22:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] topaz GPS Coords. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The road to Topaz Mountain is well marked with a BLM sign; you can see northerly into the valley on the south side of Topaz Mountain from there, coordinates of the turn off follow: N 39 deg 39 min 43.4 sec W 113 deg 03 sec 43.1 sec Go north on it to the road west which is at: N 39 41 08.1 W 113 04 11.4 Then the road to the right (north) into the valley/cove is at: N 39 41 13.6 W 113 05 15.2 Inside the cove you can go to the right and collect in the ridge over there, or go left to some popular diggings. There is a knob in the middle of the valley, claim held by a SLC club, but collecting is allowed, it is at: N 39 41 50.3 W 113 05 55.4 Or continue further west, then hike up into the southwest and west sides to several areas of diggings (small pits) that are in this general area: N 39 41 49.4 W 113 06 19.3 Topaz Mountain is a great place to collect. Breaking rock has always been productive for me, but it is work! Older scouts may do well, but younger scouts would do better poking around and screening the material in the washes. They may find some small crystals on the dumps of the workings. Hope you have a great time. Lanny On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:50 AM, Janene Comer wrote: > > Hi, I am a Scoutmaster in Lehi, Utah. We are planning to take our > scouts > to Topaz Mtn. in a couple weeks. Can you provide any assistance in > the way > of GPS coords. advice etc.. on some novice geologists. > > Thanks.... > > return email to kcomer@civilscience.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 23 18:04:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 23 17:04:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting website titled small mine permits in Utah Message-ID: <158.3332f597.2dbb08e2@aol.com> This site show the small mine permits in Utah. also has maps. It is a pdf file and is slow to load. May take up to 5 minutes to load. http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/maps/georesmap/pdf/pi-68.pdf T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 23 18:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 23 17:33:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting website titled large mine permits in Utah Message-ID: <141.27c32207.2dbb0fa4@aol.com> This site shows the large mine permits in Utah. It also has maps. It is a pdf file and is slow to load. May take up to 5 minutes to load. http://geology.utah.gov/maps/georesmap/pdf/pi-67.pdf This site show the small mine permits in Utah. also has maps. It is a pdf file and is slow to load. May take up to 5 minutes to load. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Apr 24 12:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Apr 24 11:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD:Vacation-not! Message-ID: <001301c42a2c$3b0c3580$255204d0@jim> Our vacation was cancelled at the last minute, so I've posted the update = to the pricelist today. No one locality to mention, just an assortment of nice micro material. As always, if you don't want to see these updates, please let me know. I = also apologize for multiple copies, if you subscribe to more than one = list. No way to avoid that. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 17:51:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Sun Apr 25 16:51:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps Message-ID: Folks: I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of land in detail. I don't know. Does anyone out there love maps? Why? Paul Gilmore Andover MA _________________________________________________________________ Test your ‘Travel Quotient’ and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 19:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Apr 25 18:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps Message-ID: <1d4.1fe632a4.2dbdc4cd@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/04 4:51:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, prgilmore@hotmail.com writes: I get the sense we map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of land in detail. I don't know. Does anyone out there love maps? Why? ****************** I like history, genealogy, rockhounding, and mining. I love old sites where towns used to be, like Sunkist in northern Neveda or Steins on the Arizona/ New Mexico state line. I like looking at old maps. Why? I dunno, just crazy I guess. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 20:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps References: <20040426010002.19583.93823.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <408C6E78.D373D421@earthlink.net> Yes, there are quite a few of us. I am always looking for people to trade full state sets of DRG files. I have MO, TX, and CT. Looking primarily for western states. Despite years of looking for people to trade with, I have not found anybody yet. Mike Flannigan > From: "Paul Gilmore" > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, GeoliterarySociety@egroups.com > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:50:45 +0000 > Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Folks: > > I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that > I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we > map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps > defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of > field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human > foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact > detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of > land in detail. I don't know. > > Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover MA From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 20:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Bese) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:19:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #781 - 1 msg Message-ID: Love maps. It's almost a lost skill being able to read one properly. There is a USGS site which has many features I love; http://nationalatlas.gov/ Since we've already paid for it; why not use it? --- David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:00:02 From: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Cc: >Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." > > >[Rockhounds-Digest] > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Maps (Paul Gilmore) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Paul Gilmore" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, GeoliterarySociety@egroups.com >Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:50:45 +0000 >Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Folks: > >I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that >I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we >map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps >defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of >field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human >foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact >detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of >land in detail. I don't know. > >Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > >Paul Gilmore >Andover MA > >_________________________________________________________________ >Test your ‘Travel Quotient’ and get the chance to win your dream trip! >http://travel.msn.com > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds mailing list >Rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >End of Rockhounds Digest > ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 20:19:11 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (beckste) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:19:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Look for Direction to Crystal Hunt at Lolo Pass Message-ID: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> We are driving by Lolo Pass area this summer and could love to spend a = day crystal hunting but have not a clue of location for a good hunt. I = have not found a good map or directions for this area. Anyone able to = help me on this. Thanks so very much. Barb=20 beckste@w-link.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 20:32:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:32:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040425162633.02e988a0@mail.aloha.net> I have drawn imaginary house plans ---a floor plan is a kind of map---and maps of imaginary worlds since I was a small child. When I taught middle and high school art I had students design a "dream house" and also make up an imaginary land and draw a map of it. This was partly to get them to exercise their visual senses and think about their environment from different perspectives, and partly to stimulate imagination. It is surprising that many people have difficulty thinking in terms of looking down from above, as one has to do for a map or floor plan. (There is a painting of the crucifixion by Salvadore Dali where the viewer is looking down on the Christ on the cross from above; the effect is stunning.) I was delighted a couple of years ago to find some old maps of the Hawaiian Islands that were drawn as tourist maps for the Hawaii Visitors Bureau in the 1920's or 30's. They have "Betty Boop" type cartoons and show the railroads that ran along the east coast of the Big Island until around 1945. I asked Bill why he likes maps and he said: "because they stimulate my imagination." Pretty articulate for scientist, don't you think? Aloha, Kitty At 01:50 PM 4/25/2004, you wrote: >Folks: > >I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that >I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we >map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps >defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of >field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human >foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact >detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk >of land in detail. I don't know. > >Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > >Paul Gilmore >Andover MA From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 20:54:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:54:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps References: Message-ID: <408C79BF.53B3@Tomaszewski.net> Maps are fun. There are few human inventions that can convey as much information, in such a concise form, as a map. Kreigh Paul Gilmore wrote: > > Folks: > > I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that > I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we > map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps > defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of > field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human > foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact > detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of > land in detail. I don't know. > > Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover MA > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 21:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (George Hall) Date: Sun Apr 25 20:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: <408C79BF.53B3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20040426030602.638.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> Maps are the end all to exploring,. As Kreigh says,its the level of detail,right at our finger tips. Add a GPS unit,and navigation is cake,Im old school,so I can and do,roam about with a map,and compass,Ha cant say I never got lost,but that is the reason Im out there,well ok minerals,mines,pretty country,also. Or mayby they are just the excuse? My 2 cents worth. George --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Maps are fun. There are few human inventions that > can convey as much > information, in such a concise form, as a map. > > Kreigh > > > > > Paul Gilmore wrote: > > > > Folks: > > > > I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I > recently found out that > > I'm not alone in my fascination with these > documents. I get the sense we > > map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for > this interest, perhaps > > defined personality traits that may overlap with > those behind our love of > > field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for > discovery), or other human > > foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing > our surroundings in exact > > detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of > ownership by knowing a chunk of > > land in detail. I don't know. > > > > Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > > > > Paul Gilmore > > Andover MA > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 21:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Apr 25 20:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #781 -1. Maps (Paul Gilmore) References: <20040426010002.19583.93823.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <011501c42b40$ac928000$6501a8c0@mchsi.com> Paul, My wife & I have lived in Alabama most of our lives, but yesterday we bought a book of topographical maps of our home state. We were on our way to a family reunion and came across it in a service station and it was too good to pass up. After the reunion, which was in rural Clarke County in southwest Alabama, we took a back road shown on one of the maps and happened upon a knoll of mostly red sandstone and gravel but holding several layers, some of it harder material. There was a small cut for the road about 5' deep on the west side and we found some interesting rocks. After we got home we found what appears to be a trilobite!!!!! on a small 5" diameter piece that had a "WIERD" erosion pattern... We also stopped at an outcropping cut on a paved road which had a layer of cream colored sandstone, a layer of soft sedimentary "mud" then a harder layer of light colored sandstone with lots small white crystalline deposits that is some kind of salt. (Yes, we tasted it!) We collected a chunk of the first layer of limestone which has a lot of branchy tubes on the under side that was next to the soft sediment. Finally we stopped at a small sandy stream with lots of gravel and collected several chunks that intrigued us including a cute 3" hunk of wavy gray to clear agate with 3 "eyes" and folded around several natural cavities. I also found a 1/2" long 1/8" diameter "threaded" agatized fossil. And we have hundreds of places we found on the maps we long to visit. Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama > > 1. Maps (Paul Gilmore) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Paul Gilmore" > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, GeoliterarySociety@egroups.com > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:50:45 +0000 > Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Folks: > > I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that > I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we > map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps > defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of > field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human > foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact > detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of > land in detail. I don't know. > > Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover MA > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Apr 25 22:25:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tina Tuttle) Date: Sun Apr 25 21:25:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE Love of maps Message-ID: Paul: You're definitely not alone. I have been struck that mineral afficiados are also really good orienteers (if they have decent self-collected collections). I think maps are an artifact of the human desire to journey, to explore, to wonder...what's over the next ridge. Especially here in America, the european settler history was so tied to the compulsion and need to carve out space for ourselves. One of the most predominant characteristics of Americans has been our self-reliance and sense of independence...and with a map, you could find your own way. Even if it was in the air conditioned 58 Chevy down Route 66! Maps are artifacts of the quest, the journey. The older ones, before satellite imaging, GPS are wonderful when you think of how they were used to explore new lands. And how harsh that travel was once. Gives you an appreciation for how easy we've got it! Maps also have all kinds of political power, especially in how you draw wilderness, and road closures, but that's another commentary. :) Yep. There's lots of us who collect 'em. Anyone want to sell a mapcabinet? Tina Tuttle tinaindesert@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ >From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 03:41:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Apr 26 02:41:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Look for Direction to Crystal Hunt at Lolo Pass In-Reply-To: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> You want to ask Lanny Ream. Last time I was there it looked like a war zone and the crystals were hsrd to come by...but that was 15 years ago (!) At 07:20 PM 4/25/2004, you wrote: >We are driving by Lolo Pass area this summer and could love to spend a day >crystal hunting but have not a clue of location for a good hunt. I have >not found a good map or directions for this area. Anyone able to help me >on this. Thanks so very much. > >Barb >beckste@w-link.net Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 06:40:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 26 05:40:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps and the love thereof Message-ID: <1d9.1fab461e.2dbe5cea@aol.com> I too am a map freak, I have a whole sheaf of them,rolled up in cardboard tubes in my garage, USGS and others showing current areas and geohistorical settings, shaded relief and all sorts of other stuff (a lot from my college days doing a BS in geology). Also I love globes and I've accumulated quite a few of those (and made some of my own). The semanticists may be right when they say "the map is not the territory" but often that is the only way I can ever appreciate the territory - especially, for instance, when you come to considering the other planets of this solar system! And don't forget the maps of those places that never existed (outside of someones' fertile mind). The biggest regret is in not having enough space to lay them out and pour/paw (?) over them for hours on end. Jim Groves jg81638@aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 09:40:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Apr 26 08:40:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] VERY brief Franklin, N.J. Sterling Hill report.. Message-ID: <408D2D9A.3010209@ptd.net> What a weekend!!! The show in and of itself was overwhelming!! Only thought for improvement might be a bit of a rotational raffle or something for some of the dealers to have a presence or opportunity to be inside for another year. Anything you ever wanted was available, right down to the very latest approved mineral species!! The associated field trips were well done; and I must congratulate both the attendees and the organizers for a very well behaved and organized event. There were many who contributed to the success of the trips, but I want to especially mention Greg Lesinski of GSL ROCKS for all of his contributions to the trips and the show. If you are interested in the minerals of the area or uv lighting, I would recommend you give this gentleman an opportunity as his offerings are good and his prices are great, not to mention all that he contributed to the success of the trips and the show. Although I have collected the franklin minerals for years (first time opportunity for the trotter dumps) and many times at the sterling hill mine where I am a member I was still able to collect material I had never collected before. I would recommend the weekend to anyone who has any interest in the areas minerals, mines, history or fluorescence. There will be something to captivate you the whole weekend. I would also like to make a small plug here that IF you were at the events this past weekend to invite you to the BERKS MINERALOGICAL SOCIETY'S 36th annual world of gems and minerals show. All indoors, air conditioned, free parking, admission is a measly $1 and we are only a few hours down the road in Leesport PA Rt 61 south off of Interstate 78 at the Leesport farmers market. Over 100 tables of anything from fossils, to minerals, to cut gems, to jewelry. Bring a friend and a couple 'o bucks and take home a memory, or a present, or a nice addition to your collection! More info email berksminer@aol.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 10:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (dommelen) Date: Mon Apr 26 09:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question Message-ID: <408E3E55@webmail.dal.ca> Hi All, I was out collecting yesterday (very tired and achy today) and found a large boulder with numerous small pseudomorphs after anhydrite. At least, they have every appearance of such material from other localities - long thin rectangular prisms. Don't know yet what the replacement mineral is - probably a zeolite. Anyway, I remember reading once how it is known that such pseudomorphs are of anhydrite. I'm thinking in particular of material from the New Jersey basalt and zeolite locations. However, I can't remember where I read that. After a search of the net, I still can't seem to find any information. Could someone point me in the right direction, to a book or paper that talks about such things. Thanks in advance. Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen Nova Scotia, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 11:13:24 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 26 10:13:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question Message-ID: <042620041712.7658.408D4314000779CF00001DEA2160280741FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Ronnie, Some of the "classic" papers describing these crystal casts are (quite old, surely not viewable on the "web", but here they are), Wherry, E.T., 1916, Glauberite crystal-cavities in the Triassic rocks of eastern Pennsylvania: American Mineralogist v. 1, p. 37-43. Hawkins, A.C., 1928, Halite and glauberite cavities in the Triassic rocks of central New Jersey: American Journal of Science, 5th series, vol. 16, p. 361-362. Schaller, W.T., 1932, The crystal cavities of the New Jersey zeolite region: USGS Bulletin 832, 90 p. Mason, B.H., 1960, Trap rock minerals of New Jersey: New Jersey Geological Survey Bulletin 64. Sincerely, Pete > Anyway, I remember reading once how it is known that such pseudomorphs are of > anhydrite. I'm thinking in particular of material from the New Jersey basalt > and zeolite locations. However, I can't remember where I read that. After a > search of the net, I still can't seem to find any information. Could someone > point me in the right direction, to a book or paper that talks about such > things. > > Thanks in advance. > > Later, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > Nova Scotia, Canada From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 11:20:08 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Apr 26 10:20:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Look for Direction to Crystal Hunt at Lolo Pass In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Even more so now Tim. Access is easy by taking the road that goes north from the Visitor Center at Lolo Pass. The road leaves the highway just a little east of the pass. Follow it for 6 miles (everyone tells me 5, but it measured 6 on my truck); it winds around the hills, then drops down to Granite Pass. It's a good gravel road, some moderate grades, we towed a trailer up it with no problem. As you come to the pass, there will be a road that takes off on your right back at an angle to the southeast. Follow it to the rocks that used to block the road (they've been moved enough to allow a vehicle through). Most people park here. Find the path that goes north, down the hill into a dug up area and dig there (about a 10 minute walk). Smoky quartz crystals are in a gravel layer on clay from about 1 to 3 feet down. Any place in this area from Granite Pass east, west, north and south (even along the access road, even south of Lolo Pass) could be productive. There are other areas where people dig a lot, but I couldn't describe access easily. It's a tough place to collect. On an FM trip last July, one of our group of 8 digging there found two small crystals in the spot described above. Of the other dozen people collecting there, I heard of only two other small crystals being found that day. Yet all of those others would tell stories of big finds. Someone undercut an area there late last summer, it collapsed on them and killed them. The word was that the Forest Service was going to close the area to collecting because of the danger; don't know if they did, rumor is they didn't. I'm still waiting for them to close a lake to fishing the next time someone falls out of his boat and drowns, or closes the forest to hunting the next time a hunter is shot, or closes the mountains to mountain climbing the next time a climber falls to his death... So why do they pick on mineral collecting/rockhounding? Good luck, Lanny On Apr 26, 2004, at 2:41 AM, Tim Fisher wrote: > You want to ask Lanny Ream. Last time I was there it looked like a war > zone and the crystals were hsrd to come by...but that was 15 years ago > (!) > > At 07:20 PM 4/25/2004, you wrote: >> We are driving by Lolo Pass area this summer and could love to spend >> a day crystal hunting but have not a clue of location for a good >> hunt. I have not found a good map or directions for this area. >> Anyone able to help me on this. Thanks so very much. >> >> Barb >> beckste@w-link.net > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 11:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Apr 26 10:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question In-Reply-To: <408E3E55@webmail.dal.ca> References: <408E3E55@webmail.dal.ca> Message-ID: <65DEA64C-97A6-11D8-B4FA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Ronnie, I'm interested in reading that myself. Generally there are no absolutes or dead giveaways as to the identification of the mineral replaced. The only thing to go on is the crystal shape and the environment. Which is apparently what you've done. On occasion, there are some crystals that are only partially replaced, but generally, the identification of the replaced mineral is really an educated guess. Regards, Lanny On Apr 26, 2004, at 9:13 AM, dommelen wrote: > Hi All, > > I was out collecting yesterday (very tired and achy today) and found a > large > boulder with numerous small pseudomorphs after anhydrite. At least, > they have > every appearance of such material from other localities - long thin > rectangular prisms. Don't know yet what the replacement mineral is - > probably > a zeolite. > > Anyway, I remember reading once how it is known that such pseudomorphs > are of > anhydrite. I'm thinking in particular of material from the New Jersey > basalt > and zeolite locations. However, I can't remember where I read that. > After a > search of the net, I still can't seem to find any information. Could > someone > point me in the right direction, to a book or paper that talks about > such > things. > > Thanks in advance. > > Later, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > Nova Scotia, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 12:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Apr 26 11:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question References: <042620041712.7658.408D4314000779CF00001DEA2160280741FF96948C9A8D9B909295@att.net> Message-ID: <00a401c42bba$b604dd20$8905efd1@oemcomputer> I seem to recall this being discussed within the last year in Mineral News, have you checked MinDex? Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: April 26, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question > Ronnie, > > Some of the "classic" papers describing these crystal casts are (quite old, surely not viewable on the "web", but here they are), > > Wherry, E.T., 1916, Glauberite crystal-cavities in the Triassic rocks of eastern Pennsylvania: American Mineralogist v. 1, p. 37-43. > > Hawkins, A.C., 1928, Halite and glauberite cavities in the Triassic rocks of central New Jersey: American Journal of Science, 5th series, vol. 16, p. 361-362. > > Schaller, W.T., 1932, The crystal cavities of the New Jersey zeolite region: USGS Bulletin 832, 90 p. > > Mason, B.H., 1960, Trap rock minerals of New Jersey: New Jersey Geological Survey Bulletin 64. > > > Sincerely, Pete > > > > > > Anyway, I remember reading once how it is known that such pseudomorphs are of > > anhydrite. I'm thinking in particular of material from the New Jersey basalt > > and zeolite locations. However, I can't remember where I read that. After a > > search of the net, I still can't seem to find any information. Could someone > > point me in the right direction, to a book or paper that talks about such > > things. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Later, > > Ronnie Van Dommelen > > Nova Scotia, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 12:24:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Apr 26 11:24:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Look for Direction to Crystal Hunt at Lolo Pass In-Reply-To: References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040426104650.02b27f18@mail.spiritone.com> I dropped down to the Crooked Fork from Granite Pass and there were more signs of digging along the road. Didn't stop because I was supposed to be doing my Masters' research lol. Stopped at the area in your book on the way back out & found the usual 2 or 3 broken crystals. 5.31 miles according to the topo...if it's the logging road before the Granite Creek road takes off at the pass; I don't remember anymore, unfortunately... At 10:19 AM 4/26/2004, you wrote: >Even more so now Tim. > >Access is easy by taking the road that goes north from the Visitor Center >at Lolo Pass. The road leaves the highway just a little east of the pass. >Follow it for 6 miles (everyone tells me 5, but it measured 6 on my >truck); it winds around the hills, then drops down to Granite Pass. It's a >good gravel road, some moderate grades, we towed a trailer up it with no >problem. As you come to the pass, there will be a road that takes off on >your right back at an angle to the southeast. Follow it to the rocks that >used to block the road (they've been moved enough to allow a vehicle >through). Most people park here. Find the path that goes north, down the >hill into a dug up area and dig there (about a 10 minute walk). Smoky >quartz crystals are in a gravel layer on clay from about 1 to 3 feet down. > >Any place in this area from Granite Pass east, west, north and south (even >along the access road, even south of Lolo Pass) could be productive. There >are other areas where people dig a lot, but I couldn't describe access easily. > >It's a tough place to collect. On an FM trip last July, one of our group >of 8 digging there found two small crystals in the spot described above. >Of the other dozen people collecting there, I heard of only two other >small crystals being found that day. Yet all of those others would tell >stories of big finds. > >Someone undercut an area there late last summer, it collapsed on them and >killed them. The word was that the Forest Service was going to close the >area to collecting because of the danger; don't know if they did, rumor is >they didn't. > >I'm still waiting for them to close a lake to fishing the next time >someone falls out of his boat and drowns, or closes the forest to hunting >the next time a hunter is shot, or closes the mountains to mountain >climbing the next time a climber falls to his death... So why do they pick >on mineral collecting/rockhounding? > >Good luck, > >Lanny Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 12:49:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Apr 26 11:49:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald Creek garnet area In-Reply-To: References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040426114712.01fe81c0@mail.spiritone.com> FYI I just spoke to the ST. Maries RD and the 281 Gulch area will be open Memorial-Labor Day as usual this year. Seems they did the test digging in the other gulches last summer and decided to move to another spot in 281 lol. So much for EISs :)) Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 12:58:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Mon Apr 26 11:58:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald Creek garnet area In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040426114712.01fe81c0@mail.spiritone.com> References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426114712.01fe81c0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <9A11EDDC-97B3-11D8-A9C7-000393A96092@mac.com> 281 gulch being the same one they have been digging for about ten years? I got a five ounce monster outta there in '95 :))))) ~KM I have a perfect cure for a sore throat. Cut it. -- Alfred Hitchcock On Apr 26, 2004, at 11:48 AM, Tim Fisher wrote: > FYI I just spoke to the ST. Maries RD and the 281 Gulch area will be > open Memorial-Labor Day as usual this year. Seems they did the test > digging in the other gulches last summer and decided to move to > another spot in 281 lol. So much for EISs :)) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 13:39:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Apr 26 12:39:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC In-Reply-To: <408D2D9A.3010209@ptd.net> Message-ID: <03dd01c42bc6$25868b70$6501a8c0@moose> Well ain't that sumthin! Our very own "Dr. Bill" on MSNBC! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4837011/ So, Bill... Have you stuck a drill bit into the hole? GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 13:54:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Mon Apr 26 12:54:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC In-Reply-To: <03dd01c42bc6$25868b70$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: 4/26/04 2:39 PM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > Well ain't that sumthin! Our very own "Dr. Bill" on MSNBC! > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4837011/ > > So, Bill... Have you stuck a drill bit into the hole? > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > No, not really. It is fun finding something that turns out to be a 450 million year old asteroid impact structure. I had it mapped years ago, but was looking for evidence that the odd feature I mapped was of impact origin. A few years back, Dr. Bevan French of the Smithsonian, who is a on internationally famous authority on impact structures undertook a study of the quartz. His painstaking work with a u-stage documented a number of planar features in the quartz at Rock Elm, which can only form from interaction with a hypervelocity shock wave, such are produced by large-scale asteroid or comet impact. Bevan did a lot of modeling of the structure based on his findings. Those that want more detail can check out the long technical article we wrote for Geological Society of America Bulletin, January, 2004. When the article was published, the Geological Society of America contacted local journalists with a brief news release. I was contacted by an AP writer last winter. She wanted to see the feature and take photos, but I said -hey, it's January in Wisconsin ,and you'd just get snow pictures. So she came up last month, and the article hit the press this morning. 15 minutes of fame! Best to all, Dr. Bill Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 13:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Apr 26 12:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC References: <03dd01c42bc6$25868b70$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <008201c42bc9$8b72e480$8905efd1@oemcomputer> Aw, they'll let anybody on that channel!!! Good work Bill; did you find shatter cones, coesite or...? Cool stuff! Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: April 26, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC > Well ain't that sumthin! Our very own "Dr. Bill" on MSNBC! > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4837011/ > > So, Bill... Have you stuck a drill bit into the hole? > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 14:00:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Apr 26 13:00:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Omaha - Nebraska Message-ID: <002201c42bc8$ddc782f0$c761c950@maxdata> Hi all, =20 Is there anything concerning mineralogy in Omaha, Nebraska ? I will have the honor to be there in the week of 16 to 22 August. Any mineral shows the week-end of 14-15 or 21-22 ? Any dealers or collectors around there ? Museums ? I have visited many parts of the US so far, but this will be a jump in = the dark for me... I suppose on the other hand that this must be about exactly the geometrical centre of the USA (excluding Alaska and = Hawaii) ? Thanks for any suggestion. Greetings, =20 Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium =20 Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be =20 Homepage : = http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list =20 MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html =20 Mineral collector's page = http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 14:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Apr 26 13:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Omaha - Nebraska In-Reply-To: <002201c42bc8$ddc782f0$c761c950@maxdata> References: <002201c42bc8$ddc782f0$c761c950@maxdata> Message-ID: <24FE5FB6-97BD-11D8-B97C-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> dear rik, i haven't been for a few years, but there is a rock shop in omaha: Custom Gems, Inc. 8487 Frederick St., Omaha, NE 68124 have fun, its a nice town. cathy On Apr 26, 2004, at 3:58 PM, Rik Dillen wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there anything concerning mineralogy in Omaha, Nebraska ? > I will have the honor to be there in the week of 16 to 22 August. > Any mineral shows the week-end of 14-15 or 21-22 ? > Any dealers or collectors around there ? Museums ? > I have visited many parts of the US so far, but this will be a jump in > the dark for me... I suppose on the other hand that this must > be about exactly the geometrical centre of the USA (excluding Alaska > and Hawaii) ? > Thanks for any suggestion. > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : > http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > Mineral collector's page > http://www.minerant.org/ >>>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 14:08:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Apr 26 13:08:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question References: <408E3E55@webmail.dal.ca> Message-ID: <005301c42bca$24913220$ae8a4c0c@fekib> I remember finding such casts as a geology student in New Jersey some = years ago, and also remember hearing about the glauberite theory. Some = of the casts were perfectly formed in the prehnite and calcite from = Paterson, and very distinctive as to form. I was surprised to find the = same phenomena years later in Connecticut in a quartz crystal location. = Here, the quartz crystals are formed over the remains of the original = crystal shape, leaving a geometric hollow core vertically through each = quartz crystal. It is difficult to imagine how glauberite could have = survived long enough in the conditions which formed the quartz to leave = such a perfect cast each time. Any thoughts on this growth condition? Larry Rush ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dommelen=20 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question Hi All, I was out collecting yesterday (very tired and achy today) and found a = large=20 boulder with numerous small pseudomorphs after anhydrite. At least, = they have=20 every appearance of such material from other localities - long thin=20 rectangular prisms. Don't know yet what the replacement mineral is - = probably=20 a zeolite. Anyway, I remember reading once how it is known that such pseudomorphs = are of=20 anhydrite. I'm thinking in particular of material from the New Jersey = basalt=20 and zeolite locations. However, I can't remember where I read that. = After a=20 search of the net, I still can't seem to find any information. Could = someone=20 point me in the right direction, to a book or paper that talks about = such=20 things. Thanks in advance. Later, Ronnie Van Dommelen Nova Scotia, Canada _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 15:20:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:20:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC In-Reply-To: <008201c42bc9$8b72e480$8905efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 4/26/04 3:03 PM, Tim Jokela at tjokela@execulink.com wrote: > Aw, they'll let anybody on that channel!!! > > Good work Bill; did you find shatter cones, coesite or...? > > Cool stuff! > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > No shattercones and no coesite - yet. There are planar fractures in the quartz of orientations consistence with shock presssures. I thank Dr. Bevan French of the Smithsonian for verifying this. Bill C. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 15:31:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:31:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald Creek garnet area In-Reply-To: <9A11EDDC-97B3-11D8-A9C7-000393A96092@mac.com> References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426114712.01fe81c0@mail.spiritone.com> <9A11EDDC-97B3-11D8-A9C7-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040426142436.02039e00@mail.spiritone.com> Yes it's been there for a while now...it was moved from No-Name Gulch sometime after the late 80s when I was last there... At 11:57 AM 4/26/2004, you wrote: >281 gulch being the same one they have been digging for about ten years? >I got a five ounce monster outta there in '95 :))))) >~KM >I have a perfect cure for a sore throat. Cut it. -- Alfred Hitchcock >On Apr 26, 2004, at 11:48 AM, Tim Fisher wrote: > >>FYI I just spoke to the ST. Maries RD and the 281 Gulch area will be open >>Memorial-Labor Day as usual this year. Seems they did the test digging in >>the other gulches last summer and decided to move to another spot in 281 >>lol. So much for EISs :)) Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 16:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Apr 26 15:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on CNN Message-ID: <408D92B9.1008@Tomaszewski.net> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/04/26/bc.meteoritepuzzle.ap/index.html Hey Dr. Bill, Nice article and you even got a picture. Way to go! Now can we get the rest of the story? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 17:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Apr 26 16:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on CNN References: <408D92B9.1008@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <408D98BD.7DC6@Tomaszewski.net> And now I find you on page 4 of my local newspaper too. I'll mail you a copy tomorrow. Kreigh Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/04/26/bc.meteoritepuzzle.ap/index.html > > Hey Dr. Bill, > > Nice article and you even got a picture. Way to go! > > Now can we get the rest of the story? > > Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 20:36:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Mon Apr 26 19:36:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anhydrite Pseudomorphs Question In-Reply-To: <20040427010002.6961.5012.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Ronny, Learned from New Jersey Trap Rock crystals Anhydrite casts are rectangular cavities; glauberite are diamond shaped cavities. Minerals were deposited in the Saline period. Johan Maertens mineral.maertens @ att.net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 20:45:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Apr 26 19:45:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC References: Message-ID: <408DC91D.597A@Tomaszewski.net> William Cordua wrote: > > 4/26/04 2:39 PM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > > So, Bill... Have you stuck a drill bit into the hole? > No, not really. It is fun finding something that turns out to be a 450 > million year old asteroid impact structure. I had it mapped years ago, but > was looking for evidence that the odd feature I mapped was of impact origin. Dr. Bill, Various types of mining/exploring companies or the USGS (and/or water drillers/municipalities) sometimes put down a test bore to get (an occasional core or) mud for analysis (and occasionally for an actual producing hole) to find out more about possible productive locations. Have you checked with the state for all (recent) drilling permits (usually required in most states) around the area of interest? You have probably thought about it, but if not there might be some deep specimens of interest that are still available. I thought of it because of a (very) recent encounter with a dealer who was selling a (large) batch of drill cores in 6" lengths, and each came with a dealer certificate that claimed it came from more than a mile underground (location not specified). I have no doubt this reputable dealer could prove his claim for any specific specimen, and I understood his reason for not specifying the location; he had acquired cores from several locations, mixed them over time. and didn't want to take time to work thru the cores and reports/documentation again to sort them back out. Thanks for helping all us rockhounds (and our club membership chairs) by generating a general awareness and interest in our hobby! Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 21:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jack Graham) Date: Mon Apr 26 20:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald Creek garnet area References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426114712.01fe81c0@mail.spiritone.com> <9A11EDDC-97B3-11D8-A9C7-000393A96092@mac.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426142436.02039e00@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c42c06$c3a14ad0$43f0bfcf@Jack> OK, Now where is this? Jack Graham From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 23:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Apr 26 22:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana Message-ID: Does anyonehave information on the Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana. Directions on how to get there? Current status? Thank you T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Apr 26 23:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Apr 26 22:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi T., I don't know anything about that mine, but a quick Google search found this web page: http://philipsburgmt.com/ghost.html#bpine Maybe it will help you out, or at least it may be a starting point for continued searching. Regards, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of MCGINNISG@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:22 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana Does anyonehave information on the Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana. Directions on how to get there? Current status? Thank you T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 01:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Tue Apr 27 00:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Emerald Creek garnet area In-Reply-To: <00ab01c42c06$c3a14ad0$43f0bfcf@Jack> References: <009901c42b34$fac191a0$895581ce@beckstead> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426024002.02b29f50@mail.spiritone.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426114712.01fe81c0@mail.spiritone.com> <9A11EDDC-97B3-11D8-A9C7-000393A96092@mac.com> <6.1.0.3.2.20040426142436.02039e00@mail.spiritone.com> <00ab01c42c06$c3a14ad0$43f0bfcf@Jack> Message-ID: <8B71C477-981C-11D8-BD6A-000A95AF049E@mac.com> clarkia, idaho ~KM All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others. - George Orwell On Apr 26, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Jack Graham wrote: > Now where is this? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 08:04:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Tue Apr 27 07:04:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana References: Message-ID: <00b901c42c61$c8e7c9a0$9605efd1@oemcomputer> Have you seen the Min Rec article, V23 #6? Both informative and impressive. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: April 27, 2004 1:22 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana > Does anyonehave information on the Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana. > Directions on how to get there? Current status? Thank you > > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 10:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Apr 27 09:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C5F762A-9865-11D8-B4FA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> The Black Pine Mine is currently in a state of limbo. It is private property, owned by ASARCO (which basically only exists on paper - owned by Groupo Mexico?). It was posted and there used to be a guard there on occasion. The past few years, I have heard of no one being chased off, even when someone is up at the mine. However, that is not permission to trespass, do so at your own choosing and risk. The website posted by Bob L. in his message will basically get you there. You want the lower road which goes down to the bottom of the big dump. The coordinates on the road on the east side of the dump are: N 46 deg 26 min 27.4 sec W 113 deg 21 min 40.1 sec (or there abouts, its a big dump) The dump is very good collecting for micros, and material can be found all over it. The dump is mostly clean and easy to look through. It is high and steep, just a big pile of 1-3 inch rocks mostly. Up on the ridge and down the other side to the east are more dumps, and many of the recent new discoveries made at the "Black Pine" actually are from these dumps, not the main mine dump (but minerals are scarce on most of those dumps). If you are interested in visiting it, there is an urgency. The State and the FS want it rehabilitated. Runoff waters now pass through the dump and down the slope into the FS land and the creek below. As soon as ASARCO or the state/feds come up with the money, the dump will be capped and covered to stop the runoff. Thus, no more mineral collecting. Lanny On Apr 26, 2004, at 10:22 PM, MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > Does anyonehave information on the Black Pine Mine, Granite County, > Montana. > Directions on how to get there? Current status? Thank you > > T. McGinnis > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 11:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Apr 27 10:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz Cutting Blade Message-ID: <1ce.1f7f96e8.2dbff547@aol.com> Does anyone have any information on blades that work well for cutting quartz? Getting a lot of sparking, heat. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 13:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Apr 27 12:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on MSNBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <02d101c42c91$d400d180$6501a8c0@moose> Wow... And now Dr. B. is on page 2 of the NY Times "Science Tuesday" section. Crikey! GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 14:12:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Apr 27 13:12:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dr. Bill on Coast to Coast, AM Message-ID: <19f.23b458d5.2dc01851@aol.com> Last night when Coast to Coast, AM was coming on George Noorey mentioned the discovery of the impact crater. He just summarized the discovery and didn't mention any names. For those not familiar with Coast To Coast, AM, it is a kind of New Age talk show. George Noory is replacing Art Bell on Coast -- and Art is the Rush Limbaugh of the New Age. They talk about flying saucers, Martian artifacts, and what is going to happen when the Mayan calendar runs out in 2012 Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 15:11:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:11:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408ECBA4.3060306@hal-pc.org> Paul Gilmore wrote: > Folks: > > I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out > that I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the > sense we map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this > interest, perhaps defined personality traits that may overlap with > those behind our love of field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest > for discovery), or other human foibles (the need to be "in control" by > knowing our surroundings in exact detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious > sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of land in detail. I don't know. > > Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover MA Because they're beautiful. And they are probably humanity's earliest documents. Navigators carried star maps around in their heads. The Polynesians created maps out of wood and vine that were (and are) used to navigate the Pacific by canoe. When we were kids, most of us drew maps in the sand to show someone a path or way. And then there were the pirate maps with the mysterious "x" for the buried treasure... john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 16:35:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Apr 27 15:35:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana References: Message-ID: <408EDFF5.3751@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyonehave information on the Black Pine Mine, Granite County, Montana. > Directions on how to get there? Current status? Thank you > > T. McGinnis Did you check locations at mindat.org? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 16:50:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Tue Apr 27 15:50:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps Message-ID: Thanks for the opinions. I'm glad to hear there are others who find maps appealing. I first liked maps because I thought they would help me pinpoint mineral localities. Recently I've come into some USGS maps from the late 1800's, which I now treasure in their own right. They are quite attractive with their sepia toned, glossier paper, umber colored ink for elevations and deep blue for water, and old print fonts. They are amazing also for what they DON'T show: interstate highways, bridges, and cities in their modern congested sprawl. In my most spiritual mood, I agree that they are beautiful in their detailed, almost reverential, renderings of that most mundane of miracles: the ground we walk on (or hope to walk on.) Paul >From: john >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Maps >Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:07:48 -0500 > >Paul Gilmore wrote: > >>Folks: >> >>I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out that >>I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the sense we >>map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this interest, perhaps >>defined personality traits that may overlap with those behind our love of >>field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest for discovery), or other human >>foibles (the need to be "in control" by knowing our surroundings in exact >>detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious sense of ownership by knowing a chunk >>of land in detail. I don't know. >> >>Does anyone out there love maps? Why? >> >>Paul Gilmore >>Andover MA > > >Because they're beautiful. And they are probably humanity's earliest >documents. Navigators carried star maps around in their heads. The >Polynesians created maps out of wood and vine that were (and are) used to >navigate the Pacific by canoe. When we were kids, most of us drew maps in >the sand to show someone a path or way. And then there were the pirate >maps with the mysterious "x" for the buried treasure... > >john > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 17:05:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Apr 27 16:05:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hapkeite on CNN Message-ID: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net> WASHINGTON (AP) -- A chunk of the moon that landed on Earth as a meteorite contains a new mineral, which scientists have named after a researcher who years ago predicted the unusual process that formed the material. full story at http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/04/26/bc.moonmineral.ap/index.html and you can find out about Hapkeite on mindat... http://www.mindat.org/show.php?id=26419 Wonder if there is any of this in the moon rocks Axel helped recover? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Apr 27 22:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D006A56-98CC-11D8-B4FA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Maps are great for what they are, and old maps are often more like works of art. There are map collectors, so I guess there are quite a few people who appreciate them. One thing I really like are the old USGS reports with the very detailed colored maps, and the colored sections of mine workings. Unfortunately some people cut these out of the bulletins and have them framed! One thing I hate is receiving an envelope that was made from a topographic map (actually its more of a love-hate relationship because there is something cool about those envelopes)! Heck of a thing to do to a map though. Do others keep old highway maps (30-50 years old) because they show the small towns that are often left off the new highway maps? Those being the same towns that are oftentimes referenced in the mineralogical literature... . Regards, Lanny On Apr 25, 2004, at 4:50 PM, Paul Gilmore wrote: > Folks: > > I love maps, especially USGS or historical maps. I recently found out > that I'm not alone in my fascination with these documents. I get the > sense we map-ophiles have common, deep rooted motives for this > interest, perhaps defined personality traits that may overlap with > those behind our love of field-collecting minerals (i.e., the quest > for discovery), or other human foibles (the need to be "in control" by > knowing our surroundings in exact detail). Perhaps we get a vicarious > sense of ownership by knowing a chunk of land in detail. I don't know. > > Does anyone out there love maps? Why? > > Paul Gilmore > Andover MA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Test your ‘Travel Quotient’ and get the chance to win your dream trip! > http://travel.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 02:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Apr 28 01:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hapkeite on CNN References: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel> Kreigh wrote > WASHINGTON (AP) -- A chunk of the moon that landed on Earth as a > meteorite contains a new mineral, which scientists have named after a researcher who years ago > predicted the unusual process that formed the material. > > Wonder if there is any of this in the moon rocks Axel helped recover? Or even some other new minerals to be named? - incarceratite - stoolpigeonite - gotchaite - servesthemrite - plannotsobrite - efbeeite Cheers Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 10:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed Apr 28 09:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgian help needed References: <126.3eab59cd.2daf0758@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c42d3e$120423e0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> I need someone to look up and copy some references for me. I was at the library of Ecole de Mines in Paris three weeks ago and was looking up references in Buttgenbach (1947, Les Mineraux de Belgique et du Congo), but they didn't have all of them. On page 65, Buttgenbach cited: Schoep, A., 1921, [Sur la linnéite du Katanga], Bulletin de la Société Chimique de Belgique (Bruxelles), v. 30 (not found). Schoep, A., 1925-1926, Présence d'or natif et de linnéite sélénifère dans la pechblende du Katanga, Annales de la Société Géologique de Belgique, v. 49, p. B 188- (not found). Schoep, A., 1926-1927, Description de quelques cristaux du Katanga, Annales de la Société Géologique de Belgique, v.50, p. B215 (not found). Also would like: Gysin, M., 1937, Les minerais de cuivre du sud Katanga, Committee Société Kasolo, v. 30, p. 1, (not found). Legraye, M., 1931-1932, Linnéite du Katanga, Annales de la Société Géologique de Belgique, v. 55, p. C 17, (not found). Could you take digital pictures and email as jpeg attachments so I can read them? I suspect that most are little more than short notices, but am nearly finished writing a large article about carrollite and want to have all the citations "seen" rather leaving some "not found". Of course, copious credit for assistance will be given. Best Regards, Van From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 11:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Apr 28 10:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hapkeite on CNN In-Reply-To: <001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel> References: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net> <001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040428073322.02e8b940@mail.aloha.net> Oh, Axel, I wish you would post a funny message every day. I firmly belive that "a laugh a day keeps the doctor away." Keep it up! At 10:00 PM 4/27/2004, you wrote: > > Wonder if there is any of this in the moon rocks Axel helped recover? > >Or even some other new minerals to be named? >- incarceratite >- stoolpigeonite >- gotchaite >- servesthemrite >- plannotsobrite >- efbeeite > >Cheers > >Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 11:43:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Wed Apr 28 10:43:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - NEW items on Ebay ! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040428194029.01b08668@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, 19 new and interesting items have just been uploaded on Ebay ! Nice rocks from Marocco, Italy and China ! Goto: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 Have fun !!! Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 11:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Apr 28 10:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hapkeite on CNN References: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net><001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040428073322.02e8b940@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <011a01c42d48$57dad170$6402a8c0@axel> Hi Kitty, I'll try but it isn't always easy to stay on topic while making jokes... We don't want to upset anyone, do we? Especially since Aaron is doing such a great job in keeping this great group on track (despite the negative efforts of double bladed cowwielding barbarians from pre-historic Belgian origin). I firmly believe that making people laugh is among the most rewarding thing you can do... Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hapkeite on CNN > Oh, Axel, > > I wish you would post a funny message every day. I firmly belive that "a > laugh a day keeps the doctor away." Keep it up! > > > At 10:00 PM 4/27/2004, you wrote: > > > Wonder if there is any of this in the moon rocks Axel helped recover? > > > >Or even some other new minerals to be named? > >- incarceratite > >- stoolpigeonite > >- gotchaite > >- servesthemrite > >- plannotsobrite > >- efbeeite > > > >Cheers > > > >Axel > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 13:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Apr 28 12:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps Message-ID: <11f.2ddd98f2.2dc15f0c@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/04 9:26:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lanny@lrream.com writes: Do others keep old highway maps (30-50 years old) because they show the small towns that are often left off the new highway maps? Those being the same towns that are oftentimes referenced in the mineralogical literature... . ********And some of the old highway maps are from oil companies that no longer exist. One of mine is from a chain of gas stations named Signal. They were west coast but I'm sure there are plenty from all areas. If you use the site below to search for Sunkist, Nevada (the one in Washoe County) you can see one of my favorite places. http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form I actually go 10 or 20 miles east of Sunkist, not right downtown. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 13:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Apr 28 12:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgian help needed In-Reply-To: <001301c42d3e$120423e0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <004e01c42d58$cf732ba0$41d2c850@maxdata> Van, can't help you with these very old issues, but if necessary (and taking into account a somewhat significant cost - more than the price of a few photocopies) I can order the articles through the University of Liège. But I will try first via my daughter who works in the "Royal Belgian Institute for Natural Sciences" (the dinosaur-museum in Brussels). If anyone else has the articles at hand, please notify, so that I don't turn Belgium upside-down to find them... don't laugh... Belgium is small enough to be turned upside-down with one hand... Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Van *Sent: woensdag 28 april 2004 18:30 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgian help needed * * *I need someone to look up and copy some references for me. I *was at the library of Ecole de Mines in Paris three weeks ago *and was looking up references in Buttgenbach (1947, Les *Mineraux de Belgique et du Congo), but they didn't have all of *them. On page 65, Buttgenbach cited: * * * *Schoep, A., 1921, [Sur la linnéite du Katanga], Bulletin de la *Société Chimique de Belgique (Bruxelles), v. 30 (not found). * *Schoep, A., 1925-1926, Présence d'or natif et de linnéite *sélénifère dans la pechblende du Katanga, Annales de la *Société Géologique de Belgique, v. 49, p. B 188- (not found). * *Schoep, A., 1926-1927, Description de quelques cristaux du *Katanga, Annales de la Société Géologique de Belgique, v.50, *p. B215 (not found). * * * *Also would like: * * * *Gysin, M., 1937, Les minerais de cuivre du sud Katanga, *Committee Société Kasolo, v. 30, p. 1, (not found). * *Legraye, M., 1931-1932, Linnéite du Katanga, Annales de la *Société Géologique de Belgique, v. 55, p. C 17, (not found). * * * *Could you take digital pictures and email as jpeg attachments *so I can read them? I suspect that most are little more than *short notices, but am nearly finished writing a large article *about carrollite and want to have all the citations "seen" *rather leaving some "not found". * * * *Of course, copious credit for assistance will be given. * * * *Best Regards, Van * * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 19:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Wed Apr 28 18:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgian help needed References: <004e01c42d58$cf732ba0$41d2c850@maxdata> Message-ID: <001b01c42d87$b66936c0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Dear Rik, Thanks for the offer to have the articles sought out. I was hoping to encounter a minimum of cost as institutions have a funny habit of "making ends meet" whenever an outsider makes even a modest request of them. If someone lived in a town where there was a university or a natural history institution, their library should have these things in stock. I could send you a specimen with perhamite crystals on it in compensation. I was one of the ones who discovered the species. A friend of mine found it at the Bell Pit at Newry, Maine and I found it at the Dunton quarry also at Newry. We sent dissimilar specimens to the same researcher within a week of each other and neither of us knew of the other's actions or had seen each other's unknowns. Sincerely, Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Belgian help needed > Van, can't help you with these very old issues, but if necessary (and taking into account a somewhat significant cost - more than > the price of a few photocopies) I can order the articles through the University of Liège. But I will try first via my daughter who > works in the "Royal Belgian Institute for Natural Sciences" (the dinosaur-museum in Brussels). > If anyone else has the articles at hand, please notify, so that I don't turn Belgium upside-down to find them... don't laugh... > Belgium is small enough to be turned upside-down with one hand... > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > *-----Original Message----- > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Van > *Sent: woensdag 28 april 2004 18:30 > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Belgian help needed > * > * > *I need someone to look up and copy some references for me. I > *was at the library of Ecole de Mines in Paris three weeks ago > *and was looking up references in Buttgenbach (1947, Les > *Mineraux de Belgique et du Congo), but they didn't have all of > *them. On page 65, Buttgenbach cited: > * > * > * > *Schoep, A., 1921, [Sur la linnéite du Katanga], Bulletin de la > *Société Chimique de Belgique (Bruxelles), v. 30 (not found). > * > *Schoep, A., 1925-1926, Présence d'or natif et de linnéite > *sélénifère dans la pechblende du Katanga, Annales de la > *Société Géologique de Belgique, v. 49, p. B 188- (not found). > * > *Schoep, A., 1926-1927, Description de quelques cristaux du > *Katanga, Annales de la Société Géologique de Belgique, v.50, > *p. B215 (not found). > * > * > * > *Also would like: > * > * > * > *Gysin, M., 1937, Les minerais de cuivre du sud Katanga, > *Committee Société Kasolo, v. 30, p. 1, (not found). > * > *Legraye, M., 1931-1932, Linnéite du Katanga, Annales de la > *Société Géologique de Belgique, v. 55, p. C 17, (not found). > * > * > * > *Could you take digital pictures and email as jpeg attachments > *so I can read them? I suspect that most are little more than > *short notices, but am nearly finished writing a large article > *about carrollite and want to have all the citations "seen" > *rather leaving some "not found". > * > * > * > *Of course, copious credit for assistance will be given. > * > * > * > *Best Regards, Van > * > * > *_______________________________________________ > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > *Subscription Services: > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > * > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 20:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Apr 28 19:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz Cutting Blade References: <1ce.1f7f96e8.2dbff547@aol.com> Message-ID: <40906595.6AF@Tomaszewski.net> CrescentStoneINC@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any information on blades that work well for cutting quartz? > Getting a lot of sparking, heat. You should expect some 'sparking' when cutting quartz because it is somewhat triboluminescent (light from pressure/striking). Other contributing factors can come from the cutting edge getting dry, either by inadequate coolant flow, or excessive pressure, and from impurities in the quartz. If you are getting heat you may be feeding it too fast, or you may have inadequate cooling liquid reaching the blade's cutting edge, or the feed could be uneven and a slight binding of the blade is occurring so it heats on the blade side, or the blade could have a slight warp (possibly just around the cutting edge). Most diamond blades will work on anything, and last, if you patiently cut with them slowly/lightly, and let the blade do the work (you also get better coolant flow). The need to look for better blades usually comes from trying to speed up the cutting. Slowing down your feed might fix your problems without buying a new blade. YMMV. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 21:56:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:56:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rt. 25... References: <20040422135124.25896.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40907FCA.5FEB@rcn.com> seeking information on Rt. 25 a couple miles (203 sites) off of Rt. 50, in West Virginia Collecting fossils trilobite horn coral etc. What do you know? What have you found there? Geology? etc. Thank you Georgia O From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 22:22:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed Apr 28 21:22:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oops... Rt. 25... References: <20040422135124.25896.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <40907FCA.5FEB@rcn.com> Message-ID: <409085C9.64AA@rcn.com> Oops wrote: That should have been 2-3 sites (not 203 sites) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 23:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Trinette Chuang) Date: Wed Apr 28 22:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] new to rockhounds-Southern California Message-ID: <72B35DDF-999C-11D8-AC4A-000A956EE112@cox.net> Hi-I have just started subscribing to this digest and wanted to introduce myself. We live in southern California and my husband, 3 yr old son(yes,3, and LOVES rockhounding and usually is the one that finds the prize specimen), and I are "avid" very amateur rockhounds/fossil hunters. Before my son came along, we did some out of state hunting, but now we have just been going to our local areas as much as possible. We started out as mostly looking for fossils but have since loved the rockhounding, too. Last weekend we were out at Red Rock Canyon State Park/Mojave Desert area(Ca), and a couple of weeks ago we were out by Yuma, Az and Borrego desert. Anyways, I wanted to see if there was anyone who lives in this area that likes to do weekend trips, or if anyone knows of sites in California NOT found in the Gem Trails books. Trinette Chuang BTW-I only receive the digest so I can only respond once a day, or you can e-mail me directly tlchuang2@cox.net From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 23:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed Apr 28 22:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corridor H References: Message-ID: <409086D2.C7C@rcn.com> seeking info on fossils geology on the new section of Corridor H West Virginia between Baker and Moorefield (especially near Baker) thank you GeorgiaO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Apr 28 23:27:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Apr 28 22:27:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: <11f.2ddd98f2.2dc15f0c@aol.com> References: <11f.2ddd98f2.2dc15f0c@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Grant, That USGS geonames site is wonderful, been using it for many years to find old locations when only the geographic name is available. I'm going to bite on your favorite site mention. What is it east of Sunkist that has your attention? Lanny On Apr 28, 2004, at 12:25 PM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/27/04 9:26:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lanny@lrream.com > writes: > Do others keep old highway maps (30-50 years old) because they show the > small towns that are often left off the new highway maps? Those being > the same towns that are oftentimes referenced in the mineralogical > literature... . > > > > ********And some of the old highway maps are from oil companies that no > longer exist. One of mine is from a chain of gas stations named > Signal. They were > west coast but I'm sure there are plenty from all areas. If you use > the site > below to search for Sunkist, Nevada (the one in Washoe County) you can > see one > of my favorite places. > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > I actually go 10 or 20 miles east of Sunkist, not right downtown. > > Grant > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 06:51:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 29 05:51:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz Cutting Blade Message-ID: <1e0.1f167146.2dc25407@aol.com> Thank you for your input. Steve DeLong Crescent Stone Company --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 07:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Apr 29 06:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] new to rockhounds-Southern California References: <72B35DDF-999C-11D8-AC4A-000A956EE112@cox.net> Message-ID: <000f01c42dec$c9622240$285204d0@jim> Welcome to the group! 3 yr > old son(yes,3, and LOVES rockhounding and usually is the one that finds > the prize specimen), That's often the case- their eyes are sharper than ours, and much closer to the ground! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 07:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Apr 29 06:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: <0D006A56-98CC-11D8-B4FA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <015701c42def$66114ce0$6501a8c0@moose> Mmmmmm... Maps! (visualize Home Simpson & donuts here...). The favorite in my collection is an 1819 geologic map of Rum, Egg, and Muck that I picked up in Wales around 15 years ago. It's fun comparing the topos of 1905 with the current "lay of the land". You'd think that it would be pretty much a constant, but a look at the Minnesota River valley shows a LOT of change. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:25 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Maps > > > Maps are great for what they are, and old maps are often more like > works of art. There are map collectors, so I guess there are quite a > few people who appreciate them... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 10:35:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Apr 29 09:35:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] new to rockhounds-Southern California References: <72B35DDF-999C-11D8-AC4A-000A956EE112@cox.net> <000f01c42dec$c9622240$285204d0@jim> Message-ID: <000d01c42e07$ce2c8750$6402a8c0@axel> Hi Trinette, welcome to the group, naturally, but... > 3 yr old son(yes,3, and LOVES rockhounding and usually is the one that finds > the prize specimen), Sorry to disagree but it is my wife who spots the best specimens... She usually does so from say 15 feet away. Not surprisingly since she can read streetnames easily from as far away as 50 meters (about 150 feet), which means that she can read the small letters (3 mm high) of a newspaper from 2.14 meters (6 feet.5 inches ?) So if you ever should come to Belgium, your son and my wife can have a prize-specimen-finding-contest. ;-)))))))) --- Science boosts boasting section --- (rockhounds read on at the risk of being bored to death) It's easy to say that my wife has perfect vision so I put her to the test. Streetname signs in Belgium have 7 cm high letters. She can read those from 50 meters. Let the angle of sight at which her eyes have sufficient resolution to read be "alpha". Tan (alpha) = opposite side/ adjacent side of the triangle formed by eye(E)- top of letter (T)-bottom of letter (B), thus ETB. Since alpha is very small, we can assume that the angle B is a right angle. In this case tan(alpha) = EB / TB = 0.07 m/ 50 m To be seen at the same angle, the newspaper font (3 mm) would have to be seen at distance x or tan(alpha) = 0.003 m / x So 0.07 / 50 = 0.003 / x thus x = 0.003 * 50 / 0.07 = 2.14 meters. As soon as my wife got home, I tested her by letting her read a newspaper from exactly 2 meters and 14 centimeters and guess what... she JUST could read it. At 2. 25 m she failed the test and at 2.00 m she could rattle off the articles effortlessly. --- Fun part section --- Having sharp vision comes at a price... it has to do with the ratio of rods and cones on the retina I think I remember. My wife has such a poor night vision that my fluorescent minerals are safe. As it should be in any good marriage: she finds the micromounts and small stuff, I find the fluorescent minerals ;-))) Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] new to rockhounds-Southern California > Welcome to the group! > 3 yr > > old son(yes,3, and LOVES rockhounding and usually is the one that finds > > the prize specimen), > That's often the case- their eyes are sharper than ours, and much closer to > the ground! > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.sauktown.com > sauktown@adsnet.com > or orders@sauktown.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 10:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 29 09:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] new to rockhounds-Southern California Message-ID: <1e1.1f1b4ccd.2dc28949@aol.com> I would recommend the book DESERT GEM TRAILS BY MARY FRANCES STRONG. It is very informative. Also this website: http://www.highdesertinsider.com/index.html has excellent information on rockhounding locations. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 11:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 29 10:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps Message-ID: <9b.47293177.2dc28fc0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/04 10:27:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lanny@lrream.com writes: Hi Grant, That USGS geonames site is wonderful, been using it for many years to find old locations when only the geographic name is available. I'm going to bite on your favorite site mention. What is it east of Sunkist that has your attention? It is a magic place named Lost Creek. You can also do a search for Lost Creek on the USGS site. It is the Lost Creek on the Duck Lake map, east of Sunkist. The petrified and opalized wood is pretty abundant in that area -- but it is not a very exciting color unless you like gray pet wood and rootbeer colored opalized wood. I've seen obsidian there too but there is plenty of better obsidian a few miles away at Davis Creek, on the California side. I really just like going to Lost Creek to be in the Lost Creek canyon. One time I was back there for over 24 hour then a truck with three cowboys in it drove by -- but heavy traffic like that is unusual. Getting there from the highway is a 10 mile drive on a dirt road with nothing but sagebrush along the road. Then you drop into a narrow, aspen lined canyon with steep bluffs that raise up on both sides. The canyon is just wide enough for the creek, the dirt road, the trees, and me. There are schools of small fish in the creek but I'm not sure what kind fish they are. They are probably one of those species that only exist in the Great Basin. I've seen golden eagles in the area too. It is a great place to be alone, surrounded by nature, and you can drive right to it. That is a plus at my age. My days of packing in on a trail are over. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 13:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Apr 29 12:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor In-Reply-To: <011a01c42d48$57dad170$6402a8c0@axel> References: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net> <001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040428073322.02e8b940@mail.aloha.net> <011a01c42d48$57dad170$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040428192231.02fae620@mail.aloha.net> I already have in mind what should be in Axel's obituary: There once was a Belgian quintessence Of great ludicrous effervescence; Wielding cow right and left, He foiled moon-rock theft, Then went back to his own rock's fluorescence. So here's Axel Emmerman's epitaph: He helped capture those rock-thieving riffraff; He earned world-wide fame For his FBI game, But mostly he made lots of people laugh. Aloha, Kitty At 07:43 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote: >Hi Kitty, > >I'll try but it isn't always easy to stay on topic while making jokes... We >don't want to upset anyone, do we? >Especially since Aaron is doing such a great job in keeping this great group >on track (despite the negative efforts of double bladed cowwielding >barbarians from pre-historic Belgian origin). > >I firmly believe that making people laugh is among the most rewarding thing >you can do... > >Cheers > >Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 14:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Apr 29 13:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor Message-ID: <1d1.1f9706b4.2dc2bfef@aol.com> Any rockhounds know of a reputable opal dealer selling beginner opal parcels? ddesp95802@aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 16:20:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Apr 29 15:20:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maps In-Reply-To: <9b.47293177.2dc28fc0@aol.com> References: <9b.47293177.2dc28fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <4006E8C8-9A2B-11D8-B4FA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Grant , Sounds great. It's places like Lost Creek that make it all worthwhile, even when the collecting is poor. Happy collecting! Lanny On Apr 29, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/28/04 10:27:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lanny@lrream.com writes: > Hi Grant, > > That USGS geonames site is wonderful, been using it for many years to > find old locations when only the geographic name is available. > > I'm going to bite on your favorite site mention. What is it east of > Sunkist that has your attention? > It is a magic place named Lost Creek. You can also do a search for > Lost Creek > on the USGS site. It is the Lost Creek on the Duck Lake map, east of > Sunkist. > The petrified and opalized wood is pretty abundant in that area -- but > it is > not a very exciting color unless you like gray pet wood and rootbeer > colored > opalized wood. I've seen obsidian there too but there is plenty of > better > obsidian a few miles away at Davis Creek, on the California side. > > I really just like going to Lost Creek to be in the Lost Creek canyon. > One > time I was back there for over 24 hour then a truck with three cowboys > in it > drove by -- but heavy traffic like that is unusual. > > Getting there from the highway is a 10 mile drive on a dirt road with > nothing > but sagebrush along the road. Then you drop into a narrow, aspen lined > canyon > with steep bluffs that raise up on both sides. The canyon is just wide > enough > for the creek, the dirt road, the trees, and me. There are schools of > small > fish in the creek but I'm not sure what kind fish they are. They are > probably > one of those species that only exist in the Great Basin. I've seen > golden > eagles in the area too. It is a great place to be alone, surrounded by > nature, and > you can drive right to it. That is a plus at my age. My days of > packing in on > a trail are over. > > Grant > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 17:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Apr 29 16:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corridor H References: <409086D2.C7C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002201c42e3f$ab2eb9c0$86a5490c@pete> Now that's an interesting terminology, for those who aren't "from around there", what is Corridor H? Is that the way they name roads in parts of WVA? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Olmstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Corridor H > seeking info > > on fossils > geology > > on the new section of Corridor H > West Virginia > between Baker and Moorefield > > (especially near Baker) > > thank you > > GeorgiaO > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Apr 29 17:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Apr 29 16:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Mega-Earthquake FAQ's Message-ID: <002601c42e3f$b6efc240$86a5490c@pete> I'd like to share this with the Rockhounds group. ---Pete ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter J Modreski=20 Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Mega-Earthquake FAQ's Dear friends & colleagues,=20 For your information... I've been asked to help let the public know that = the USGS has prepared two new web pages with questions and factual = answers about earthquakes and particularly in regard to "megaquakes", = which as you may know, is the subject of a made-for-TV movie, "10.5", = that will be shown this Sunday and Monday.=20 The USGS is not in the business of publicizing the movie, which of = course has the usual mixture of fact and sensational action (more of the = latter, it would seem from what I've seen and heard), but we would like = to make available accurate information about what earthquakes really do, = what their hazards really are, and "how large an earthquake is possible = to take place". The websites below contain some interesting reading, = and links to additional earthquake info pages. This should be of = interest to educators, geologists, and everyone else who is exposed to = more than the usual amount of publicity about earthquakes in the coming = week or weeks.=20 Best regards,=20 Pete Modreski, U.S. Geological Survey=20 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/bytopic/megaquakes.html=20 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/bytopic/megaqk_facts_fantasy.html=20 ****************************************** Peter J. Modreski U.S. Geological Survey, Denver, Colorado Central Region Office of Communications Events and Community Relations - Geologic Outreach & Education and=20 Geologic Specialist for Abrasives, Gemstones, Quartz, Beryllium, Cesium, and Rubidium USGS, MS 150 Box 25046, Federal Center Denver, CO 80225-0046 tel. 303-202-4766, fax 303-202-4767 email pmodreski@usgs.gov SCIENCE FOR A CHANGING WORLD http://www.usgs.gov http://ask.usgs.gov ****************************************** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 08:33:42 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Trinette Chuang) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:33:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Rockhounding So Cal Message-ID: <4EF5616B-9A5B-11D8-ABB7-000A956EE112@cox.net> Thanks everyone for the welcome and the great info. As for why I think my son finds the best specimens is because he runs all over and covers more area and just sees the stand out specimen. I, on the other hand, tend to slowly roam around and scan the ground more closely; my husband, who has worse eyesight than me, tends to stay in one spot and dig. Trinette Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Guin > Date: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:49:34 PM America/Los_Angeles > To: tlchuang2@cox.net > Subject: Re: Rockhounding So Cal > > Hello, > > I am responding to your posting in the "rockhounds" email group. I > suggest that you also become a member of the yahoo group LA-Rocks. > LA-Rocks was formed specifically to coordinate field trips in the so > cal area.. There are over 600 members there. You'll get more to do > than you can possible get to. Here is the web page > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LA-Rocks/ or you could just send an > email to LA-Rocks-subscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > Peace, > dave > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 08:34:38 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Yasin Yilmaz) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:34:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet In-Reply-To: <002601c42e3f$b6efc240$86a5490c@pete> References: <002601c42e3f$b6efc240$86a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <40923A5E.2010109@uekae.tubitak.gov.tr> Hello all, (from Turkey) I was fascinated by a few visit to a rock collector's shop. After long conversations with him at each visit, I decided to collect some more information on net. (Then found you :) I wonder if anyone has information about the rock-hounding areas in Turkey. (or is it possible for foreigners to look for rocks in such other countries). Here there is no such Rockounds groups yet, they are only individuals mostly for commercial purposes... (I figured out only 3 such people yet) Thanks Yasin From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 08:35:36 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:35:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corridor H Message-ID: <86.aa9fc1d.2dc3b00d@aol.com> Hi Group, Since Georgia didn't reply, I'll try to clarify. Corridor H is a designation for a proposed highway from Winchester, Va., to tie in with I-79 just outside of Weston, WV. The purpose is to bring advancement (industry) to that part of the state. The bad part is; it is cutting straight through parts of the national forest. The good part is; it is unveiling a bunch of Devonian fossils, from Trilobites to Crinoids. Also lots of Quartz Crystals. There are quartz veins going through the Hamilton Shale, now part of the Mahatango Formation. Any other questions, feel free to ask. WV is very heavily forested, and any time large areas are exposed here, collecting is usually quite productive. Dave Phillips Sunset Fossils & Minerals Morgantown, WV --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 08:35:57 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:35:57 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor References: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net><001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel><6.0.3.0.0.20040428073322.02e8b940@mail.aloha.net><011a01c42d48$57dad170$6402a8c0@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040428192231.02fae620@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003d01c42ebb$04998af0$6402a8c0@axel> Oh my, now I'm inspiring poets... LOL Well done Kitty! Especially the "Of great ludicrous effervescence"... I think ;-))))))) I'd try to send one back but I'm too busy right now. Next week is our annual mineral show MINERANT 2004 in Antwerp and I still got tons to do. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor > I already have in mind what should be in Axel's obituary: > > There once was a Belgian quintessence > Of great ludicrous effervescence; > Wielding cow right and left, > He foiled moon-rock theft, > Then went back to his own rock's fluorescence. > > So here's Axel Emmerman's epitaph: > He helped capture those rock-thieving riffraff; > He earned world-wide fame > For his FBI game, > But mostly he made lots of people laugh. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 07:43 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote: > >Hi Kitty, > > > >I'll try but it isn't always easy to stay on topic while making jokes... We > >don't want to upset anyone, do we? > >Especially since Aaron is doing such a great job in keeping this great group > >on track (despite the negative efforts of double bladed cowwielding > >barbarians from pre-historic Belgian origin). > > > >I firmly believe that making people laugh is among the most rewarding thing > >you can do... > > > >Cheers > > > >Axel > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 09:04:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Davis, Dennis) Date: Fri Apr 30 08:04:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corridor H Message-ID: <22DC50D40D6E7A46803A3B0D3576AB310784BC@wv01se01.atk.com> Following Dave's suggestion, my wife, daughter and I traveled Corridor H last fall. There is a lot of open rock. We stopped at only one area. We didn't find any thing. My problem is that I am new to West Virginia(came from Utah) and do not know the geology of the area. To be able to do justice to the Corridor, you would have to have the knowledge of the geology of the area such as Dave has. Dave has sent my family to many interesting areas in WV which I thank him for. Our time in WV has been wonderful by knowing Dave. -----Original Message----- From: BETDAV97@aol.com [mailto:BETDAV97@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:35 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Corridor H Hi Group, Since Georgia didn't reply, I'll try to clarify. Corridor H is a designation for a proposed highway from Winchester, Va., to tie in with I-79 just outside of Weston, WV. The purpose is to bring advancement (industry) to that part of the state. The bad part is; it is cutting straight through parts of the national forest. The good part is; it is unveiling a bunch of Devonian fossils, from Trilobites to Crinoids. Also lots of Quartz Crystals. There are quartz veins going through the Hamilton Shale, now part of the Mahatango Formation. Any other questions, feel free to ask. WV is very heavily forested, and any time large areas are exposed here, collecting is usually quite productive. Dave Phillips Sunset Fossils & Minerals Morgantown, WV --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 10:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet In-Reply-To: <40923A5E.2010109@uekae.tubitak.gov.tr> Message-ID: Hello Yasin, Welcome to the club. Turkey is GREAT country for rockhounding. Turkey has many rare boron minerals, as well as chromium deposits (like Kop Daglan). I am no specialist in Turkish minerals but look at www.mindat.org and search for 'Tuerkey' as locality. I'm not sure rockhounding is legal in Turkey. At least trying to get rocks out of the country can be a problem. Turkish law prohibits the export of archeological artifacts and most custome officers (and judges) don't seem to know the difference between rocks and chunks of old vases. Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Yasin Yilmaz Sent: 30 April 2004 13:37 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet Hello all, (from Turkey) I was fascinated by a few visit to a rock collector's shop. After long conversations with him at each visit, I decided to collect some more information on net. (Then found you :) I wonder if anyone has information about the rock-hounding areas in Turkey. (or is it possible for foreigners to look for rocks in such other countries). Here there is no such Rockounds groups yet, they are only individuals mostly for commercial purposes... (I figured out only 3 such people yet) Thanks Yasin _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 10:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet References: <002601c42e3f$b6efc240$86a5490c@pete> <40923A5E.2010109@uekae.tubitak.gov.tr> Message-ID: <005701c42ed4$18bc13e0$6402a8c0@axel> Hi Yasin, I just scanned my database for Turkish minerals and as it turns out: I have quite a few. Marvelous specimens of colemanite come from Emet. Kämmererite, better said "chromian clinochlore", and uvarovite are found in the Kop Crom mine, Kop Daglary, Erzurum province, East Anatolia. Very impressive are the specimens of ulexite (with various other evaporite minerals) from Bandima, Bursa, Marmara ve ege Kiyilarai (whatever that means, my Turkish has been somewhat nonexistent over the past 52 years ;-))) The latter is so nice under UV that I'll send you a photo off-list... You simply have to see this (and then convert yourself to collecting fluorescent minerals... The Emet colemaniet fluoresces great too) Cheers Axel Axel Emmermann Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 MORTSEL 03 295.35.54 Website: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen / Mineralogical Society of Antwerp Werkgroepen: Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Website Nederl. : http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html Engels : http://www.minerant.org/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yasin Yilmaz" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet > Hello all, (from Turkey) > > I was fascinated by a few visit to a rock collector's shop. After long > conversations with him at each visit, I decided to collect some more > information on net. (Then found you :) > I wonder if anyone has information about the rock-hounding areas in > Turkey. (or is it possible for foreigners to look for rocks in such > other countries). Here there is no such Rockounds groups yet, they are > only individuals mostly for commercial purposes... (I figured out only 3 > such people yet) > > Thanks > Yasin > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 11:16:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Apr 30 10:16:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet Message-ID: <043020041715.28132.409289B400060E2600006DE42158766755FF8D9E8B8C989196918D90@att.net> Welcome! There are some beautiful minerals from Turkey. Here is one site that should help: http://www.wmcturk.org.tr/Mining%20in%20Turkey_dosyalar/mining%20app/mining%20apprasial.html If you do a web search for minerals + turkey or "mineral specimens" + turkey you will find a lot of references! Don > Hello all, (from Turkey) > > I was fascinated by a few visit to a rock collector's shop. After long > conversations with him at each visit, I decided to collect some more > information on net. (Then found you :) > I wonder if anyone has information about the rock-hounding areas in > Turkey. (or is it possible for foreigners to look for rocks in such > other countries). Here there is no such Rockounds groups yet, they are > only individuals mostly for commercial purposes... (I figured out only 3 > such people yet) > > Thanks > Yasin > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 11:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Apr 30 10:19:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor In-Reply-To: <003d01c42ebb$04998af0$6402a8c0@axel> References: <408EE6F1.6A28@Tomaszewski.net> <001701c42cf6$d6bb90d0$6402a8c0@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040428073322.02e8b940@mail.aloha.net> <011a01c42d48$57dad170$6402a8c0@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040428192231.02fae620@mail.aloha.net> <003d01c42ebb$04998af0$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040430073803.025f9b60@mail.aloha.net> Thanks. I mistyped the apostrophe on "rock's" ---it should have gone after the "s." The way it is now it looks like you have only one fluorescent rock, which I'm sure is not the case. Good luck and have a great time with the MINERANT 2004 show! Take some pictures and post them on your site. Aloha, Kitty At 03:57 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote: >Oh my, now I'm inspiring poets... LOL >Well done Kitty! Especially the "Of great ludicrous effervescence"... I >think ;-))))))) >I'd try to send one back but I'm too busy right now. Next week is our annual >mineral show MINERANT 2004 in Antwerp and I still got tons to do. > >Cheers > >Axel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:01 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor > > > > I already have in mind what should be in Axel's obituary: > > > > There once was a Belgian quintessence > > Of great ludicrous effervescence; > > Wielding cow right and left, > > He foiled moon-rock theft, > > Then went back to his own rock's fluorescence. > > > > So here's Axel Emmerman's epitaph: > > He helped capture those rock-thieving riffraff; > > He earned world-wide fame > > For his FBI game, > > But mostly he made lots of people laugh. > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > > > At 07:43 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote: > > >Hi Kitty, > > > > > >I'll try but it isn't always easy to stay on topic while making jokes... >We > > >don't want to upset anyone, do we? > > >Especially since Aaron is doing such a great job in keeping this great >group > > >on track (despite the negative efforts of double bladed cowwielding > > >barbarians from pre-historic Belgian origin). > > > > > >I firmly believe that making people laugh is among the most rewarding >thing > > >you can do... > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > >Axel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 12:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Fri Apr 30 11:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet References: Message-ID: <00c601c42edc$81316f80$5616bc42@bay.chartermi.net> I would be very interested in learning more about the current status of the chromium deposits. Is mining still going on? Can kammerrerite still be found? Are there dumps? Thanks, Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 989 832-2684 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet > Hello Yasin, > > Welcome to the club. Turkey is GREAT country for rockhounding. Turkey has > many rare boron minerals, as well as chromium deposits (like Kop Daglan). I > am no specialist in Turkish minerals but look at www.mindat.org and search > for 'Tuerkey' as locality. > I'm not sure rockhounding is legal in Turkey. At least trying to get rocks > out of the country can be a problem. Turkish law prohibits the export of > archeological artifacts and most custome officers (and judges) don't seem to > know the difference between rocks and chunks of old vases. > > Cheers, > Maurice > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Yasin Yilmaz > Sent: 30 April 2004 13:37 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet > > > Hello all, (from Turkey) > > I was fascinated by a few visit to a rock collector's shop. After long > conversations with him at each visit, I decided to collect some more > information on net. (Then found you :) > I wonder if anyone has information about the rock-hounding areas in > Turkey. (or is it possible for foreigners to look for rocks in such > other countries). Here there is no such Rockounds groups yet, they are > only individuals mostly for commercial purposes... (I figured out only 3 > such people yet) > > Thanks > Yasin > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 14:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Fri Apr 30 13:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Lexington, KY show this weekend Message-ID: <4091A86E.77ED1EF7@icx.net> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Blue Grass Gem and Mineral Club's 41 Annual Gem and Mineral Show ("Hidden Treasures Under Foot") this weekend in Lexington, Kentucky. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! I will have several items from the Tucson shows as well as the high pressure water guns for cleaning minerals and fossils (at a GREAT price!). Stop by and see what's new! Dates: Saturday and Sunday, May 1&2, 2004 Hours: Saturday - 10:00 am - 7:00 pm Sunday - 11:00 am - 5:00 pm Location: Lexington Senior Citizens' Center Nicholasville Rd. & Alumni Drive Lexington, KY Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 14:39:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Fri Apr 30 13:39:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corridor H in WV...an explanation Message-ID: <20040430203849.11441.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List: Pete wrote: "Now that's an interesting terminology, for those who aren't "from around there", what is Corridor H? Is that the way they name roads in parts of WVA? Pete" Well, not really. The Appalachian Regional Commission, a federal commission established to help end poverty in the mountainous region, partly does so by establishing transportation corridors, and these get letters in WV at least. Corridor L, for example, is a 4-laned version of US 119 south of Charleston WV towards South Williamson KY. These roads cost millions of $$ per mile because of the mountainous area, many cubic yards of rock to be moved to build a multi-lane road. Corridor H is a east-west route being completed between Elkins WV into Virginia. It is supposed to connect to I-81, I believe, but VA decided not to build their portion, even if teh WV portion is completed. Corridor H is through some very scenic and unspoiled territory, and there is much controversy about the cost/benefit ratio of that road project. The natives feel that it's only purpose is to make their land available to rich city-slickers for weekend cabins, and to drive the value of these recreational cabins so high that their kids won't be able to farm for the property taxes. The environmentalists say, with some justification, that H is being routed through priceless and irreplacable places, and for the benefit of outsiders to boot. That said, the geology may be quite interesting, it's quite a drive from my home place, so I haven't seen it first hand. I've been driving over into KY to collect lately, I do like collecting in WV, I'm just not as familiar with the best locales. Fredrick, what about the geology? Over in KY there's a recently built highway called the "AA" highway, and I suspect it is also an Appalachian Corridor highway, from Maysville KY Southeast to Grayson KY. Hope I didn't tell you too much, JR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Apr 30 19:35:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Apr 30 18:35:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet References: <002601c42e3f$b6efc240$86a5490c@pete> <40923A5E.2010109@uekae.tubitak.gov.tr> Message-ID: <003801c42f1c$a5e2a3e0$b4a6490c@pete> Dear Yasin, Some years ago, perhaps 20 years ago now, there were a lot of very fine octahedral pyrite crystals for sale, labelled as being from Trabzon, Turkey. I have a few of them--very nice, lustrous, octahedrons. I remember seeing tables covered with them, at the Tucson mineral show. I think now, one only sees a few of them. I don't offhand have any idea where within Turkey, is the town of Trabzon, and what kind of mine perhaps, it was that produced them, but perhaps it's a place where one can still find such crystals. Pete Modreski, Denver CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yasin Yilmaz" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 5:37 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Very beginner yet > Hello all, (from Turkey) > > I was fascinated by a few visit to a rock collector's shop. After long > conversations with him at each visit, I decided to collect some more > information on net. (Then found you :) > I wonder if anyone has information about the rock-hounding areas in > Turkey. (or is it possible for foreigners to look for rocks in such > other countries). Here there is no such Rockounds groups yet, they are > only individuals mostly for commercial purposes... (I figured out only 3 > such people yet) > > Thanks > Yasin > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds