From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Aug 1 06:54:08 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Aug 1 06:55:31 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] You might be a rockhound if...... References: <9.2f0682d4.2e350430@aol.com><003301c4725c$5e01f200$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <000501c46ed0$095c18a0$e948a7a8@hulley> Message-ID: <000401c477cf$2f593e90$ad4127c4@privatehome> Hi Hildegarde, Please contact me off line please in connection with the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club. Kind regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "P.C. Hulley" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] You might be a rockhound if...... > I actually had three cats at one stage, Agate, a small round grey tabby > rather like one of the agates from Luderitz beach in Namibia: Amber, a > predominantly ginger tortoise shell: and Jasper a predominantly black > tortoise shell. Three little orphans from an anti-cruelty society. > Their names raised many eyebrows! > > Hildagarde Hulley in Botswana. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From indiacolors at comcast.net Sun Aug 1 12:51:02 2004 From: indiacolors at comcast.net (K Sterling-ADAMS) Date: Sun Aug 1 09:52:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stromatolite Samples References: Message-ID: <006301c47801$2890dfa0$be523f44@danbry01.ct.comcast.net> I would like a free sample for a jewelry pendant. Please contact me at indiacolors@comcast.net and provide payment options---is Paypal OK? Thanks kim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:40 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Stromatolite Samples > From: Crescent Stone Company > crescentstoneinc@aol.com > http://www.crescentstone.com/ > 2915 West 44th Street > Mpls., MN 55410 > 888-400-0094 > > We are resending this Email offer because it got kicked out because the first > had FREE in beginning of Email subject. > We are offering free samples to sellers or collectors of rough stone, and > finished we are embarking on what we feel will be the marketing of the next big > thing in beautiful fossilized stone. If you feel you could market this > product please Email your shipping address so we can ship free sample you pay only > for shipping. This organism created the first oxygen on Earth as well as > being between 1.7-3.5 billion years old. > We are now in the process of making an educational film about this fossil as > well as in contact with Smithsonian as to their planned new wing on the most > important and beautiful fossil on Earth, Stromatolite (algal) Stone. The > quality ranges from construction grade to jewelry grade. You can go to > http://www.crescentstone.com/ for geologist authentication. > When you reply to free offer please explain your use so we can send correct > sample. Sample will be about size 2.5"x2.5". > You will be responsible for UPS shipping not handling. > > > > Sincerely; Steve DeLong/Owner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From danweinrich at charter.net Sun Aug 1 19:29:02 2004 From: danweinrich at charter.net (Dan Weinrich) Date: Sun Aug 1 19:29:10 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - website updates at Dan Weinrich Minerals References: <410C6C3E.64E8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002401c47838$79b80020$6501a8c0@S0029989181> Hi! I have just added 72 new specimens to the website from the Tom Dwyer collection. There are now currently 126 specimens from this collection posted to the website in 10 different galleries. The bulk of the collection was assembled in the 1970's; there are a lot of interesting and different specimens available. More from this collection to come soon. There are now two Reverse Auction galleries going, with Auction #1 at 50% off. I will update the Auction #3 gallery with new specimens on August 4. I have just received new things from China, several gem crystals from Brazil, a good assortment of Tri-State galenas, Indiana calcites, etc. Updates coming soon ..... To go straight to the link page click here: http://www.danweinrich.com/minerallink.htm Thanks! Dan Weinrich From ItalianMinerals at libero.it Mon Aug 2 06:28:02 2004 From: ItalianMinerals at libero.it (Italian Minerals) Date: Mon Aug 2 06:28:12 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Exciting rocks on ItalianMinerals.com Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040802152503.01b1ae60@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, just back from the pegmatite pockets of Isola Elba, Italy ! real nice material for you to see and grap ! this island is the type locality of elbaite and probably the most known for the tourmalines found during last century. If you are fond of pegmatite minerals this is your chance ! Goto: www.ItalianMinerals.com and follow the links to Elba tourmalines ! regards, Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Aug 2 07:05:02 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Aug 2 07:01:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! In-Reply-To: <001901c469a2$f27b45c0$2d48a7a8@hulley> Message-ID: <200408021401.i72E1kCo022393@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I don't know ho long it will last, but lovers of the Keokuk geode... Your collection has just become infinitely more valuable. As of 9AM CDST this image is on the front page of the MSNBC website (this URL may wrap): http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/040730/TZ320_MightlyM iss_4p.jpg Here's the MSNBC page: http://www.msnbc.com Iowa is GONE! GcB From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Aug 2 08:26:36 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Aug 2 08:23:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! In-Reply-To: <200408021401.i72E1kCo022393@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <200408021523.i72FNMIV009070@bubbleator.drizzle.com> It didn't last very long at all. BUT... See it now at: http://www.catspaw-minerals.com/images/noiowa.jpg Gary Brown Http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:05 AM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! > > I don't know ho long it will last, ..... From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Aug 2 08:30:50 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Aug 2 08:31:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! References: <200408021401.i72E1kCo022393@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001b01c478a5$b0d40b40$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> Gary wrote: > http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/040730/TZ320_MightlyM > iss_4p.jpg > Here's the MSNBC page: > http://www.msnbc.com > Iowa is GONE! That's MicroSoft for you... if they don't like something they dispose of it. Like "the competition" for example. Don't worry Iowa is a pro-Bush state. They'll put it back... (ROTFL) Cheers Axel From kjvgorock at juno.com Mon Aug 2 08:34:57 2004 From: kjvgorock at juno.com (kjvgorock@juno.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 08:37:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! Message-ID: <20040802.103457.1392.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Yeah, great map - not! But, the fact is that as many Keokuk geodes or more are found in surrounding areas in Missouri & Illinois. It will be interesting to see if the mention Keokuk geodes in their reports as they discuss the mighty Mississippi. Ken Vaisvil ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From oldtymehippy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 2 13:28:14 2004 From: oldtymehippy at yahoo.com (Tina Drelleshak) Date: Mon Aug 2 13:28:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] info about me Message-ID: <20040802202814.14837.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> Hi! Not much to say except I LOVE rocks! Always have always will. I don't drive so I don't get out to rock hunt like I use to, but I do belong to the Lake Elsinore Gem & Mineral Club here in So. Cal. I think I knew more about rocks when I was a kid. LOL I don't have any lapadairy equipment but would love to learn! I'm looking forward to enjoying site. Always, oldtymehippy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From ki3u at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 16:23:54 2004 From: ki3u at hotmail.com (Berj N. Ensanian) Date: Mon Aug 2 16:23:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] info about me Message-ID: Welcome Tina. Berj >From: Tina Drelleshak >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] info about me >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Hi! Not much to say except I LOVE rocks! Always >have always will. I don't drive so I don't get out to >rock hunt like I use to, but I do belong to the Lake >Elsinore Gem & Mineral Club here in So. Cal. I think >I knew more about rocks when I was a kid. LOL I don't >have any lapadairy equipment but would love to learn! > I'm looking forward to enjoying site. > > Always, > oldtymehippy > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From heatherjohnson2 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:31:56 2004 From: heatherjohnson2 at hotmail.com (Heather Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 2 18:31:58 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post Message-ID: My name is Heather Johnson I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new ideas thanks Heather ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From heatherjohnson2 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:36:52 2004 From: heatherjohnson2 at hotmail.com (Heather Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 2 18:36:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Confirm I would like to be added to the mailing list Message-ID: I would like to confirm my membership to the mailing list Thanks-Heather Johnson ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From morningstar at att.net Mon Aug 2 18:51:17 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 18:51:19 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post (Pacific Northwest) Message-ID: <080320040151.18452.410EEF9400081D770000481421602806519D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Hi Heather, Several of our active list members live in WA, OR, and ID. Plenty of open-range collecting there. I added some additional words to your subject line to attract their attention. Good luck! Don > > My name is Heather Johnson > > I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. > > My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. > > I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is what > seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of some new > sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am living. (No > more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley a million times > and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I am pretty much > limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new ideas thanks > Heather > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From ki3u at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 19:12:22 2004 From: ki3u at hotmail.com (Berj N. Ensanian) Date: Mon Aug 2 19:12:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post Message-ID: Welcome Heather. Berj >From: "Heather Johnson" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >CC: heatherjohnson2@hotmail.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:31:56 +0000 > > >My name is Heather Johnson > >I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. > >My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. > >I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is >what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of >some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am >living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker >Valley a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but >beyond that I am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I >would love some new ideas thanks Heather > > > > > > >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ >Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >text/html (html body -- converted) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From hochd at unm.edu Tue Aug 3 09:21:14 2004 From: hochd at unm.edu (Dave D Hochstein) Date: Tue Aug 3 09:21:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwestern Ohio Message-ID: Anyone know of any good rockhounding spots in Northwestern Ohio? Just moved from Albuquerque, and I'm getting desperate for a fieldtrip! From kqhayes at chartermi.net Tue Aug 3 10:20:38 2004 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (Keith Q Hayes) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:20:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwestern Ohio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ouch, Ohio is a step down from New Mexico when it comes to rockhounding. I would suggest you follow up on some of these suggestions: 1. For fossils, consider heading down towards Cinci - about 2-3 hours. It probably makes sense to join the club there. 2. There used to be some neat stuff in limestone quarries around Toledo. I think most are closed now to collectors, but it doesn't hurt to check the current status. I used to like Lime City a lot. Some of the Detroit clubs can get in for field trips, so think about joining them. 3. Visit Bancroft, Ontario. This could be a weekend trip as it is N of Toronto, but lots of neat things to see and collect. 4. Consider going to Bloomington, IN to collect geodes just south of town. This would be worth a weekend trip. 6. Consider a long weekend to Copper Country. Lots of dumps to dig around in with the metal detector. Best Regards, Keith Hayes www.kqminerals.com kqhayes@chartermi.net 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dave D Hochstein Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:21 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwestern Ohio Anyone know of any good rockhounding spots in Northwestern Ohio? Just moved from Albuquerque, and I'm getting desperate for a fieldtrip! _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gkoshman at sasktel.net Tue Aug 3 10:31:25 2004 From: gkoshman at sasktel.net (Gerry Koshman) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:31:35 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound weekend Message-ID: <000501c4797f$b6e5d6a0$63e2a3ce@userq8p3k9g7xy> Just a reminder of the Rockhound weekend coming up Join us for a Rockin' weekend !!! Rockhound total immersion weekend August 7 & 8, 2004 Spend the whole weekend, working on rocks, talking about rocks, watching demonstrations of cutting, polishing, carving rocks and just about anything else that has to do with rocks. Location: At the Gazebo in Shell Lake Saskatchewan (about one hour and 20 minutes north of Saskatoon) What's Happening? Rockhounds from all over will be demonstrating their art for the entire weekend. Participants usually demonstrate all day Saturday and until about 2:00 Sunday. At that time an auction is held of donated materials to help offset the cost of the building ($75.00). If not enough money is raised the fee is waived. Types of demos: -Cabbing -Carving -Fossil Preparation -Faceting -Flint Knapping -Wire Wrapping -Silversmithing -Displays Who can Come: This event is open to the public as well as anyone that has an interest in the hobby or would just like to come and watch and / or participate. Bring your equipment or use ours. Facilities: The Gazebo is a six-sided, open sided building with plenty of electrical outlets. There are bathroom facilities & showers as well as a camping area. We normally set up our equipment Friday night and sleep right around the building in our vehicles, good for late night story telling as well as security for the equipment . Costs: Completely free to everyone although we appreciate a donation to the auction to help offset costs. Participants are invited to sell their products as well(within reason) We had an absolute ball last year and hated to go home. If anyone needs more info or would like to participate please contact me by email: gkoshman @ sasktel.net or by phone @ 1-306-764-2432 We are hoping that this may be an alternative to the Gemboree and may become an annual event as it can be an educational as well as an entertaining weekend. This date is also the time of the Thickwood Hills artists tour and artists studios are open to the public for the entire weekend. The event is attended by hundreds of visitors every years and involves 14 artists. Well see you there....... Gerry Koshman --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Aug 3 10:33:26 2004 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:33:34 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004f01c4797f$fff329b0$0200a8c0@gametime> Heather: Welcome, and since I do not see a post from Tim Fisher just yet I will steal his thunder and introduce you to his web site and CDRom. http://orerockon.com/ And pick up a copy of Tim's CD on rock sites. It is excellent and contains detailed maps, directions and descriptions of the digging and rocks. Now while the site and CD seems to focus on Oregon, you'll find that Tim branches pretty far afield and includes places in Washington and California. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA Ted@Crystalgems.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Heather Johnson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:32 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Cc: heatherjohnson2@hotmail.com Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post My name is Heather Johnson I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new ideas thanks Heather ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Rocks4u at prodigy.net Tue Aug 3 10:51:51 2004 From: Rocks4u at prodigy.net (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:49:34 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big 3 day show Message-ID: <002501c47982$8ebc21e0$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> ORCUTT MINERAL SOCIETY, Inc. PROUDLY PRESENTS The 37th Annual "RAINBOW OF GEMS" Gem, Mineral & Tailgate Show at St. Joseph's Church 298 S. Thompson Ave. NIPOMO, CA 93444 FRIDAY THRU SUNDAY 10 AM to 5 PM August 6th, 7th & 8th, 2004 FREE ADMISSION - FREE PARKING EXHIBITS - PRIZES - DEALERS FOOD - DEMONSTRATIONS Questions??? call 805-929-3788 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bg at his.com Tue Aug 3 10:55:06 2004 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:54:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Carrollton, MD show this weekend In-Reply-To: <002501c47982$8ebc21e0$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> References: <002501c47982$8ebc21e0$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Message-ID: <40F18BE6-E576-11D8-9B26-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> The Gem, Lapidary and Mineral Society of Washington, DC has it's annual gem show this weekend at the Ramada Hotel in New Carrollton, MD, just off the beltway. August 6-8, great dealers and exhibits. $1 off coupon on the website glmsdc.org cathy From tim at orerockon.com Tue Aug 3 11:08:56 2004 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Aug 3 11:08:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post In-Reply-To: <004f01c4797f$fff329b0$0200a8c0@gametime> References: <004f01c4797f$fff329b0$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040803110843.071f3f98@mail.spiritone.com> At 10:33 AM 8/3/2004, you wrote: >Heather: >Welcome, and since I do not see a post from Tim Fisher just yet I will steal >his thunder and introduce you to his web site and CDRom. >http://orerockon.com/ > >And pick up a copy of Tim's CD on rock sites. It is excellent and contains >detailed maps, directions and descriptions of the digging and rocks. > >Now while the site and CD seems to focus on Oregon, you'll find that Tim >branches pretty far afield and includes places in Washington and California. > >Ted Kowalski >Fredericksburg, VA USA >Ted@Crystalgems.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Heather Johnson >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:32 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Cc: heatherjohnson2@hotmail.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post > > >My name is Heather Johnson > >I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. > >My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. > >I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is >what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of >some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am >living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley >a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I >am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new >ideas thanks Heather > > > > > > >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ >Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >text/html (html body -- converted) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Aug 3 12:44:40 2004 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Aug 3 12:44:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410FEB28.1000903@tenforward.com> Hi Heather, I've just returned from the field and since no one else has spoken of local things, let me pass on for your consideration.... The Washington State Mineral Council at... www.mineralcouncil.org They have a local sites map book available for purchase, find info on their site or contact one of their representatives. Also while at this site, note the link to area clubs and consider joining one. I do crystals and fossils as compared to lapidary myself and have focused more along this line and am members of these two groups.... The Pacific Northwest Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy... http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org and The Northwest Micro Mineral Study Group (scroll down to the bottom of the page)... http://www.dnr.wa.gov/geology/clubs.htm There is a fossil group who meets at the Burke Museum on the University of Washington campus, the Northwest Paleontological Association. Their leadership is wanting however and I can not recommend this group currently, though as our only Washington fossil organization, they are the only game in town... For a killer Museum, though a bit of a drive south of you, can be found at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals in Hillsboro, Oregon. This is a MUST SEE for all NW enthusiasts in my opinion! See their site at... http://www.ricenwmuseum.org/home.asp I hope this helps. All the best, John PS The Rice Museum has a show this weekend, come on down and say hi! I'll be there as a dealer and have an Olympic Peninsula fossil display up which I'll be taking out on Sunday. If any of you Drizzlers stop by, please say hi, it'll be neat to meet up! Take care. Heather Johnson wrote: >My name is Heather Johnson > >I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. > >My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. > >I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new ideas thanks Heather > > > > > > >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ >Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >text/html (html body -- converted) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Aug 4 00:51:42 2004 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:50:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 References: <200408040101.i7411NjO027445@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <003501c479f7$e3d7f300$22e2a5d8@Rock5> Dear Heather, You can see from the responses to your request that you should have specified that you live in Washington, DC and not Washington state. The possibilities of collecting within two hours of Washington DC are probably somewhat more limited than if you lived near Seattle, Washington. There are a number of gem and mineral societies in your area and I would imagine that contacting one or more of them will put you in touch with the local collecting scene. I would suggest that you, if you have not already done so, that you visit the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History and take a close look at their collection of gems and minerals and contact the curators there about your interests. At the very least, get their email address and I am sure that they will put you in touch with local collectors with more or less the same level of interest that you have. Rock From bg at his.com Wed Aug 4 03:42:33 2004 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Wed Aug 4 03:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] dc clubs In-Reply-To: <003501c479f7$e3d7f300$22e2a5d8@Rock5> References: <200408040101.i7411NjO027445@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <003501c479f7$e3d7f300$22e2a5d8@Rock5> Message-ID: dear heather, i am in the dc area and can help you with clubs. field collecting is fairly limited, but contact me offline and i'll help as much as i can. cathy gaber bg@his.com On Aug 4, 2004, at 3:51 AM, Rock Currier wrote: > Dear Heather, > You can see from the responses to your request that you should have > specified that you live in Washington, DC and not Washington state. The > possibilities of collecting within two hours of Washington DC are > probably > somewhat more limited than if you lived near Seattle, Washington. > There are > a number of gem and mineral societies in your area and I would imagine > that > contacting one or more of them will put you in touch with the local > collecting scene. I would suggest that you, if you have not already > done so, > that you visit the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History and take a > close > look at their collection of gems and minerals and contact the curators > there > about your interests. At the very least, get their email address and I > am > sure that they will put you in touch with local collectors with more > or less > the same level of interest that you have. > Rock > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jabac at hal-pc.org Wed Aug 4 07:55:43 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Wed Aug 4 07:49:12 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! In-Reply-To: <001b01c478a5$b0d40b40$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> References: <200408021401.i72E1kCo022393@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001b01c478a5$b0d40b40$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <1091631343.2749.1.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 10:30, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Gary wrote: > > > > http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/040730/TZ320_MightlyM > > iss_4p.jpg > > Here's the MSNBC page: > > http://www.msnbc.com > > Iowa is GONE! > > That's MicroSoft for you... if they don't like something they dispose of it. > Like "the competition" for example. > Don't worry Iowa is a pro-Bush state. They'll put it back... (ROTFL) > > Cheers > > Axel It evidently disappeared when the Earth tilted from N-S to E-W. john From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Aug 4 08:38:20 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Aug 4 08:39:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! References: <200408021401.i72E1kCo022393@bubbleator.drizzle.com><001b01c478a5$b0d40b40$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> <1091631343.2749.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <006701c47a39$11f59c10$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> > It evidently disappeared when the Earth tilted from N-S to E-W. I missed that... Tonight? I was having a BBQ with my neighbour and his wife (soon to be). Yoda says: "plastered I was". Axel (I think) From RicSchager at aol.com Wed Aug 4 19:22:47 2004 From: RicSchager at aol.com (RicSchager@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 19:22:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arlington WA Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Message-ID: <15a.3b7f5145.2e42f3f7@aol.com> Heather said she lives in Arlington, Washington. She also mentions Walker Valley and Sultan. These are all localities in Washington State (yes, including Arlington). Scepter1 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 4 23:27:52 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:23:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Siderazot-pahoehoe-etc References: <003a01c472f9$e2050720$6402a8c0@axel> <4107231D.1DBA@Tomaszewski.net><002301c47482$d1773ec0$6402a8c0@axel><410872E6.499D@Tomaszewski.net> <004501c475b5$3c936700$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <01da01c47ab5$5c5107a0$caa5490c@pete> Hi, Axel & List... just catching up with comments on some of these threads, after being away from my computer the past week... re. Axel's comments, >> Hawaiian volcanoes have high temp. (1000?-1200? ???) magma and low SiO2 (45-55%) content. I.o.w. they're basaltic? How are we gonna make glass from that? As has partly been said here in reply--there's nothing about these facts (yes, the numbers are correct) about basaltic magma, that make it hard to form glass from it. You cool the lava quickly, you get glass; pretty much any lava will do this; basaltic lava just has to be cooled quicker than rhyolite does. But the surface crust of pahoehoe is truly, glass. No micro crystals of feldspar or anything else need to be hypothesized; they probably are not present in it--not in the quickly cooled glassy crust. Thin laminae of the glass, sounds totally reasonable to me as a way to produce the iridescent colors. (So, for that matter, does thin films of vapor-deposited minerals; this latter would be more likely to occur around fumaroles.) And a P.S. to one of Kreigh's replies--just a correction, magma does not "emerge from the core"; it originates in the upper mantle, and mostly just from the uppermost 100 km or less, of the mantle. keep flowin', Pete Modreski From jonee at epix.net Thu Aug 5 00:32:06 2004 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olivine Glass at Kilauea/ Green and Black Sands In-Reply-To: <410AA58D.157E@Tomaszewski.net> References: <12a.475de572.2e3b1dae@aol.com> <410AA58D.157E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4111E276.1040908@epix.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >During the shield building phase of a volcano like Kilauea you have >almost all tholeite as it is fed from the deep hotspot. As it enters its >post shield alkalic stage you get olivine, but that is only a couple >percent of the total flow. > I don't dispute the USGS facts as to olivine lava content. I was relying on a discussion at the volcano with a member of the observatory staff. Whether they were talking about specific samples, peak flow, or average content I can't say today 3 years later. However, I stand by what I was told which was that total olivine content MAY be up to 40% Fe-poor Olivine (forsterite). I don't recall if this was by weight or, by volume or, by surface area, etc. In retrospect, I believe this must be the upper range for content and not average content. I believe the original discussion was pertaining to when and how olivine glass comes out of the melt/forms. Be it remembered that olivine has the highest melting point and tends to be extracted from the lava by a mechanical means. Lava flows reaching the ocean can be blown skyward by the steam explosions subjecting the olivine content to sudden cooling and glass formation whist the silica content continues to flow in a molten state. This process gives rise to long strings of olivine glass (Pele's hair) and globules of olivine (Pele's Tears). The existence of this glass is not disputed. The cooling and backscatter of the olivine content through cooling below the melting point for olivine explains how such glass can form from an olivine poor magma. As to why the olivine is iron poor, perhaps fayelite has a slightly lower melting point and doesn't solidify in equal proportions with the forsterite. I also understand that a high phosphorous content in the magma tends to deplete fayelite. As to the accumulation of green sand at the south point of Hawaii; this is a naturally consolidated, stratified, sorted, high-relief, promontory of olivine granules which were weathered out of an ancient flow during higher sea levels. In the samples I have viewed from there, isapproximately 40-50% green to yellow green olivine, 30% yellow to brown olivine well as other pyroxenes(black). To me it looks more like a greenish-yellowish-gray sand beach, but who am I to suggest a name change. The wave action there tends to shepard the material and resist transport. West of the Green Sand Beach is a Black Sand Beach which has a larger portion of dark to opaque minerals. This location has very low relief-- almost an in filled lagoon. I don't know if the slope of the land contributes to the sorting however, the black sand beaches (some having disappeared in modern times) are all apparently on flat sheltered sections of shoreline. Both of these beaches are relatively coral free. Regards, Elton PS: Can't seem to upload my webpage with photos illustrating above. Will post if I ever get it working. > > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 5 05:37:56 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Aug 5 05:33:35 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] digital camera advice - a thank you References: <004901c47267$2b259de0$06a4490c@pete> <000b01c47273$24261ea0$6401a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001e01c47ae9$0c05eca0$54a3490c@pete> Dear Rockhounds, I just wanted to post a belated "thank you" for all the responses, from about 2 weeks about, on the digital cameras advice thread, which I inititiated. I was out of town for a while and never had the chance to post a final "thank you" message to all who replied, online and offline. There's certainly a lot of experience and good advice collectively from this group, so I thank you very much, and after I've digested all the remarks and looked at some cameras, I'll let you know what I decide to get. best regards, Pete Modreski From JScully216 at aol.com Thu Aug 5 07:50:15 2004 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 07:52:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: Scullys Minerals Website update Message-ID: <147.3022d79d.2e43a327@aol.com> Hi, I do this about once a year. I've just updated my website reducing some prices and adding a bunch of new stuff including 1. Material from our new azurite concretion claim here in NM 2. Crystalline rose quartz specimens from Brazil one of which is a scepter 3. Tourmalines from Pakistan 4. An incredible gem quality phantom aquamarine river pebble from Brazil. These specimens and more are at http://www.feraloldguy.com/general.htm Thanks (-: John Scully --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mmessenger at nwifc.org Fri Aug 6 09:02:05 2004 From: mmessenger at nwifc.org (Mike Messenger) Date: Fri Aug 6 09:02:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post Message-ID: Heather, The Washington State Mineral Council has a packet of maps for rock collecting sites around Washington. They are usually available at any of their organized field trips and cost $6 for the black and white version and $9 for the one with color pictures. Their trips are also a good way to learn about rock collecting sites in Washington. You can get a list of their upcoming field trips from their web site at http://mineralcouncil.org. Michael Messenger Washington Agate and Mineral Society m.messenger@comcast.net http://home.comcast.net/~wams1939 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Heather Johnson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 6:32 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Cc: heatherjohnson2@hotmail.com Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post My name is Heather Johnson I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new ideas thanks Heather ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From mmessenger at nwifc.org Fri Aug 6 09:27:08 2004 From: mmessenger at nwifc.org (Mike Messenger) Date: Fri Aug 6 09:27:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Road trip collecting help Message-ID: My family and I are taking a road trip from Washington State to San Diego next week. Although this is not a rock collecting trip I would like to get a little rock collecting in along the way and maybe a day or two while down in the San Diego area (Oceanside). I'm looking for suggestions on places that might offer some collecting opportunities. Since we need to spend most of our time traveling I'm looking for areas that can be explored in only a couple of hours. We will probable be traveling down or near the coast most of the way. Currently I am thinking of stopping near Happy Camp to look for Jade and Rhodinite and then maybe around Big Sur (Jade Cove) for jade. While in the Southern California area I would like to take a trip out to the Lavic Siding area for Jasper and agate and maybe a trip to the Oceanview mine in Pala if they are open. If anyone has any comments or information on these or other possible areas I would greatly appreciate any input. Michael Messenger Washington Agate and Mineral Society m.messenger@comcast.net http://home.comcast.net/~wams1939 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Fri Aug 6 09:43:46 2004 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Aug 6 09:43:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reposting of lost reply for list newbie Heather Message-ID: <4113B542.9000206@tenforward.com> Hi Mike, Heather and Everyone, I saw your post and it reminded me that the one I mailed back on 3rd appears not to have made it to the list, below is that message again... Hi Heather, I've just returned from the field and since no one else has spoken of local things, let me pass on for your consideration.... The Washington State Mineral Council at... www.mineralcouncil.org They have a local sites map book available for purchase, find info on their site or contact one of their representatives. Also while at this site, note the link to area clubs and consider joining one. I do crystals and fossils as compared to lapidary myself and have focused more along this line and am members of these two groups.... The Pacific Northwest Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy... http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org and The Northwest Micro Mineral Study Group (scroll down to the bottom of the page)... http://www.dnr.wa.gov/geology/clubs.htm There is a fossil group who meets at the Burke Museum on the University of Washington campus, the Northwest Paleontological Association. Their leadership is wanting however and I can not recommend this group currently, though as our only Washington fossil organization, they are the only game in town... For a killer Museum, though a bit of a drive south of you, can be found at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals in Hillsboro, Oregon. This is a MUST SEE for all NW enthusiasts in my opinion! See their site at... http://www.ricenwmuseum.org/home.asp I hope this helps. All the best, John PS The Rice Museum has a show this weekend, come on down and say hi! I'll be there as a dealer and have an Olympic Peninsula fossil display up which I'll be taking out on Sunday. If any of you Drizzlers stop by, please say hi, it'll be neat to meet up! Take care. Heather Johnson wrote: My name is Heather Johnson I live in Arlington, Washington and enjoy collecting rocks and minerals. My Favorite stone would have to be Peridot and Smoky Quartz. I currently am in to finding quartz and amethyst and agates since this is what seems to be located in my area.  I would really like to know of some new sites to visit within a reasonable driving range from where I am living. (No more than 1-2 hours please) I have already been to Walker Valley a million times and a secret little spot outside of Sultan but beyond that I am pretty much limited to where I get to go dig.  I would love some new ideas thanks Heather From lanny at lrream.com Fri Aug 6 15:35:47 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Aug 6 15:35:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reposting of lost reply for list newbie Heather In-Reply-To: <4113B542.9000206@tenforward.com> References: <4113B542.9000206@tenforward.com> Message-ID: Hi Heather, John isn't the only one who gets to post late! I just got back from a short week in the field in west central Idaho, so this is a little on the late side too: Another good source would be the members of the Skagit Rock & Gem Club. A lot of good people in that club with a wealth of knowledge on collecting localities of all kinds in Washington. And, if that secret little spot outside of Sultan produces quartz, some pinkish or amethystine and many of them sceptered, it isn't so secret. Lanny On Aug 6, 2004, at 9:43 AM, John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > Hi Mike, Heather and Everyone, > > I saw your post and it reminded me that the one I mailed back on 3rd > appears not to have made it to the list, below is that message > again... > > > Hi Heather, > > I've just returned from the field and since no one else has spoken of > local things, let me pass on for your consideration.... > > The Washington State Mineral Council at... > > www.mineralcouncil.org > > They have a local sites map book available for purchase, find info on > their site or contact one of their representatives. Also while at this > site, note the link to area clubs and consider joining one. I do > crystals and fossils as compared to lapidary myself and have focused > more along this line and am members of these two groups.... > > The Pacific Northwest Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy... > > http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org > > and The Northwest Micro Mineral Study Group (scroll down to the bottom > of the page)... > > http://www.dnr.wa.gov/geology/clubs.htm > > There is a fossil group who meets at the Burke Museum on the > University of Washington campus, the Northwest Paleontological > Association. Their leadership is wanting however and I can not > recommend this group currently, though as our only Washington fossil > organization, they are the only game in town... > > For a killer Museum, though a bit of a drive south of you, can be > found at the Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals in Hillsboro, > Oregon. This is a MUST SEE for all NW enthusiasts in my opinion! See > their site at... > > http://www.ricenwmuseum.org/home.asp > > I hope this helps. All the best, > > John > From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 6 16:51:14 2004 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Aug 6 16:54:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine Message-ID: <000e01c47c10$65fe44a0$398e4c0c@fekib> A few years ago, the owner of the garnet site on the Stikine River near Wrangell, Alaska died and willed the site to the local Boy Scout troop. Since then, these magnificent crystal have all but disappeared from the market (Apparently the scouts are neither good miners or marketers!). Does anyone know if someone is mining or selling these minerals? The Wrangell Chamber of Commerce is unhelpful, and evidently no one shows up at Tucson or Denver with them. Thanks...........Larry Rush www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 6 22:37:47 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Aug 6 22:33:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Olivine Glass at Kilauea/ Green and Black Sands References: <12a.475de572.2e3b1dae@aol.com> <410AA58D.157E@Tomaszewski.net> <4111E276.1040908@epix.net> Message-ID: <001c01c47c40$adc77e20$95a5490c@pete> Just adding a few more comments about the olivine in Hawaiian lavas, to Elton, Kreigh, Kitty, et al., One shouldn't confuse the forsterite (magnesium) vs. fayalite (iron) content of the olivine crystals themselves, with the percentage of olivine in the lava--these are two different things, of course. Essentially all of the olivine in Hawaiian (and most other) basalts is forsterite-rich; because, yes, as Elton wrote, forsterite (the Mg end-member of olivine, Mg2SiO4) has a higher melting temperatuare, so olivine crystals which form in the lava, always have a higher Mg/Fe ratio than the bulk lava. The composition of the olivine in Hawaiian lavas ranges from about 75 % forsterite-25% fayalite (these are usually given in mole percent), up to about 90% forsterite. This also reflects the composition of the Earth's mantle, from which the basalt magmas are derived; it is much richer in Mg than Fe. And yes, most Hawaiian basalts, known as tholeite basalt, have only a small olivine content. The later-erupted, alkali basalts tend to have higher amounts of olivine; for one thing, they are lower in SiO2. But the real thing that produced certain lava flows very rich in olivine, is concentration of olivine crystals in partly-solidified magma below the surface; when lava is erupted that has been slowly cooling underground, and has developed layers quite rich in olivine crystals in the process of settling to the bottom of the magma body, then those flows are the ones very rich in olivine crystals--up to, as has been stated, around 40% (probably that's by weight--it's just an approximate number anyway) olivine. The iron-rich end-member of olivine, fayalite, Fe2SiO4, is almost nonexistent in most lavas. The main places I'm aware that it is found, are as micro (often quite euhedral) crystals in gas cavities in rhyolites, and occasionally in pegmatites in somewhat unusual granites; both of these are very low-Mg environments, where there is much more Fe present than Mg. One example of the latter (fayalite olivine in pegmatites) is in some of the pegmatites in the Stove Mountain area of the Pikes Peak Granite, of Colorado; in this fairly abnormal granite, unusually rich in alkali metals. fluorine, and rare elements, coarse masses (several inches in size) of very dark-colored, pretty much anhedral, fayalite are occasionally found. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. L. Jones" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:32 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Olivine Glass at Kilauea/ Green and Black Sands > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > >During the shield building phase of a volcano like Kilauea you have > >almost all tholeite as it is fed from the deep hotspot. As it enters its > >post shield alkalic stage you get olivine, but that is only a couple percent of the total flow. > > > > However, I stand by what I was told which was that total olivine content MAY be up to 40% > Fe-poor Olivine (forsterite). I don't recall if this was by weight or, by volume or, by surface area, etc. ... From jonee at epix.net Fri Aug 6 23:03:12 2004 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Fri Aug 6 23:01:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Olivine Glass at Kilauea/ Green and Black Sands In-Reply-To: <001c01c47c40$adc77e20$95a5490c@pete> References: <12a.475de572.2e3b1dae@aol.com> <410AA58D.157E@Tomaszewski.net> <4111E276.1040908@epix.net> <001c01c47c40$adc77e20$95a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <411470A0.1000708@epix.net> Thanks Pete, It makes perfect sense and fills in a piece of the puzzle I didn't know I was missing. I am guessing then , the presence of macro olivine crystals in basalt/trap rock could indicate a recirculation of a partially differentiated section of a magma chamber, at some stage after peak temperature. I leave in a few minutes for Prospect Park NJ where an Island arc of volcanos were left in the Triassic. My club is collecting there today. I have found olivine bearing rock there before. There sturctural history shows two distinct flows. However it never dawned on me the signifiance of a segment extruded olivine bearing basalt. I'll be looking in the second flow particularly for an occurance of macro olivine crystals/nodules. Thanks again.! Regards, Elton > > From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Sat Aug 7 04:43:31 2004 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Sat Aug 7 04:44:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine References: <000e01c47c10$65fe44a0$398e4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <001101c47c73$c4191d40$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> As far as I understand, Garnet Ledge was given to the Juneau Troop/Council, not to any troop which may/or may not be in Wrangell. There are inferior ledges which are privately held and there are, of course, alluvial garnets, but it may be difficult to persuade someone to show you any place. There is supposedly a mineral tour boat (Hyack Tours) that was privately run, but that was 15 years ago. They sold one week bed and breakfast, on the boat, tours. I understand the tours were very good. Didn't find them under this spelling on the net. They operated out of Ketchikan. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine A few years ago, the owner of the garnet site on the Stikine River near Wrangell, Alaska died and willed the site to the local Boy Scout troop. Since then, these magnificent crystal have all but disappeared from the market (Apparently the scouts are neither good miners or marketers!). Does anyone know if someone is mining or selling these minerals? The Wrangell Chamber of Commerce is unhelpful, and evidently no one shows up at Tucson or Denver with them. Thanks...........Larry Rush www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lanny at lrream.com Sat Aug 7 09:18:21 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Aug 7 09:17:46 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine In-Reply-To: <001101c47c73$c4191d40$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <000e01c47c10$65fe44a0$398e4c0c@fekib> <001101c47c73$c4191d40$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <66BD539E-E88D-11D8-9E71-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Gary McWilliams owned/skippered the boat that made the mineral tours. He sold the boat several years ago and now mostly works with mining and selling gem carving materials. Periodically someone shows up at Denver or Tucson with good quality almandines from the Stikine River area. Sometimes they are reported to be from the Scout area, other times from other sites. Lanny On Aug 7, 2004, at 4:43 AM, Van wrote: > As far as I understand, Garnet Ledge was given to the Juneau > Troop/Council, > not to any troop which may/or may not be in Wrangell. There are > inferior > ledges which are privately held and there are, of course, alluvial > garnets, > but it may be difficult to persuade someone to show you any place. > There is > supposedly a mineral tour boat (Hyack Tours) that was privately run, > but > that was 15 years ago. They sold one week bed and breakfast, on the > boat, > tours. I understand the tours were very good. Didn't find them under > this > spelling on the net. They operated out of Ketchikan. > > Van > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lawrence Rush" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine > > > A few years ago, the owner of the garnet site on the Stikine River near > Wrangell, Alaska died and willed the site to the local Boy Scout troop. > Since then, these magnificent crystal have all but disappeared from the > market (Apparently the scouts are neither good miners or marketers!). > Does anyone know if someone is mining or selling these minerals? The > Wrangell Chamber of Commerce is unhelpful, and evidently no one shows > up at > Tucson or Denver with them. > > Thanks...........Larry Rush > > > > www.ConnRoxMinerals.com > www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com > > > "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, > but he never, ever worked in the mines" > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 7 18:57:45 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Aug 7 18:53:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Olivine & basalts References: <12a.475de572.2e3b1dae@aol.com><410AA58D.157E@Tomaszewski.net> <4111E276.1040908@epix.net><001c01c47c40$adc77e20$95a5490c@pete> <411470A0.1000708@epix.net> Message-ID: <001501c47ceb$1a55b5c0$21a4490c@pete> Hi Elton, One little correction to something you said in your last email--the basalts in New Jersey are not from an island arc (that forms over a subduction zone, where oceanic crust is consumed at a convergent plate boundary). Rather, the Watchung Mountains lavas and Palisades Sill, formed in a rift valley in Triassic-Jurassic time; where North America and Europe & Africa began splitting apart. Hope you don't think I'm being too picky! Happy collecting there today! I used to live in NJ, but never got to the Prospect Park quarry. sincerely, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. L. Jones" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Olivine Glass at Kilauea/ Green and Black Sands > > I leave in a few minutes for Prospect Park NJ where an Island arc of > volcanos were left in the Triassic. My club is collecting there today. I > have found olivine bearing rock there before. There sturctural history > shows two distinct flows. However it never dawned on me the signifiance > of a segment extruded olivine bearing basalt. I'll be looking in the > second flow particularly for an occurance of macro olivine crystals/nodules. > > Thanks again.! > Regards, > Elton From steshner at juno.com Sat Aug 7 20:59:48 2004 From: steshner at juno.com (SEAN T TAESCHNER) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:22:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 Message-ID: <20040807.210355.2084.5.STESHNER@juno.com> Thanks for the neat e-mail about the Rockhounds. I have attached some information on my book and DVD regarding gold prospecting here in Washington State. I often find garnets as well as gold. Some of the best garnet hunting is at Icicle Creek near Leavenworth, Washington. The garnets there range from a light pink to a dark rootbeer-brown in color. I have dug down about 20 inches to find 1-3 karat size highly-polished garnets there. They are soccer-ball shaped. Just some info for you rockhounds. Sincerely, "Sluicebox Sean" T. Taeschner 360-886-1262 30846 229 PL SE Black Diamond, WA 98010 USA STeshner@Juno.com To see my book and DVD go to the following website: http://www.ghosttownsusa.com Click on the books and then videos sections. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) image/jpeg image/jpeg --- From ItalianMinerals at libero.it Sun Aug 8 08:57:42 2004 From: ItalianMinerals at libero.it (Italian Minerals) Date: Sun Aug 8 08:57:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Ebay auction ! last 24 h Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040808175353.01b1c2d8@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, last 24 h for nice specimens at low starting bids ! give a look http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 In case you are interested in pegmatite minerals you might want to see what we found during our last field trip at Isola Elba, Italy ! http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/ELBA-2004/tourmaline-2004-1.html Hope to have you visiting our website, www.ItalianMinerals.com ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From JackHaslup at aol.com Mon Aug 2 09:18:23 2004 From: JackHaslup at aol.com (JackHaslup@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 8 10:59:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maricopa Lapidary Meetings Message-ID: <12a.47a221ca.2e3fc34f@aol.com> Hi, I am interested in the Maricopa Lapidary Society. Could you tell me when and where the meetings are? Can I just show up and join there? Thanks, Jack Haslup --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cweinber at bcpl.net Tue Aug 3 11:10:05 2004 From: cweinber at bcpl.net (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Sun Aug 8 10:59:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Carrollton Show Message-ID: <58CFC16C-E578-11D8-89C3-0005025E4230@bcpl.net> Hi all, The Gem, Lapidary & Mineral Society of Washington DC is holding their annual show this weekend at the Ramada Inn in New Carrollton. (8500 Annapolis Rd, New Carrollton. Exit 20-B off I-495). This is always a great show with dealers carrying a wide variety of cutting and finished material as well as tools, books and minerals. I encourage as many of you as possible to attend....be sure to wear your club badge so these folks know that our Guild supports their show. (We want them to support our show in September!). I enclosed a discount coupon with the June Guild newsletter and you can download additional ones from the GLMS/DC website at . Hours are Friday - noon until 7 Saturday - 10 am until 6 Sunday - 10 am until 5 Carolyn Weinberger From morningstar at att.net Sun Aug 8 11:08:13 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Aug 8 11:06:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maricopa Lapidary Meetings In-Reply-To: <12a.47a221ca.2e3fc34f@aol.com> References: <12a.47a221ca.2e3fc34f@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808140645.024be668@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> At 12:18 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: >Hi, >I am interested in the Maricopa Lapidary Society. Could you tell me when and >where the meetings are? Can I just show up and join there? >Thanks, >Jack Haslup Hi! Could you define what state you're in? I think the name "Maricopa" is fairly popular out west; I'm guessing you're either in CA or AZ, but there may be others. Good luck and I hope you find what you need, Don From bg at his.com Sun Aug 8 11:14:52 2004 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sun Aug 8 11:14:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maricopa Lapidary Meetings In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040808140645.024be668@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <12a.47a221ca.2e3fc34f@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20040808140645.024be668@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: dear jack, if you are talking about the club in phoenix, az, the e-mail listed by the california federation for that club is: markoppedahl@yahoo.com. cathy On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Don H wrote: > At 12:18 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: >> Hi, >> I am interested in the Maricopa Lapidary Society. Could you tell me >> when and >> where the meetings are? Can I just show up and join there? >> Thanks, >> Jack Haslup > > Hi! > > Could you define what state you're in? I think the name "Maricopa" is > fairly popular out west; I'm guessing you're either in CA or AZ, but > there may be others. > > Good luck and I hope you find what you need, > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kadok at infowest.com Sun Aug 8 15:04:29 2004 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Aug 8 15:04:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine In-Reply-To: <000e01c47c10$65fe44a0$398e4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <20040808220419.54285EAA3BD@delivery.infowest.com> >A few years ago, the owner of the garnet site on the Stikine River near Wrangell, Alaska died and willed the site to the local Boy Scout troop. Since then, these magnificent crystal have all but disappeared from the market (Apparently the scouts are neither good miners or marketers!). Does anyone know if someone is mining or selling these minerals? The Wrangell Chamber of Commerce is unhelpful, and evidently no one shows up at Tucson or Denver with them. >Thanks...........Larry Rush www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com >"Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" True, true. Although I just finished a month of opal mining etc. in Australia and actually enjoyed doing it. The last I heard ( a couple of years ago), they were giving a few permits for people to go in and mine them. It's in a remote area up the river; you have to go up by boat (I think they may take you up (with you paying them for the ride, of course; they let you off up there and you backpack in to a (very) backcountry cabin where you stay for 3 (I think) days while gathering them. After that they come pick you up and take you back down to Wrangell. The garnets are in a schist that has to be busted up to get the garnets out. I don't think the kids ever did (or ever will) try to do large-scale marketing; they just hung around the ferry and cruise boat docks with muffin tins full of them (that's how I got my first ones!) Some of them made enough money out of this to finance their college educations. I have occasionally seen them in shops in Alaska in the past, but none recently. Last time I saw any, a woman was selling them (and other minerals etc.) in a little shop across the street from the NPS Visitor Center in Skagway. She had managed to persuade the supplier to let her have a few that were still in the matrix, and I got a couple. But they went back to Anchorage after the end of the season and haven't come back. You might try looking (on the Internet) for rock shops in Anchorage and see if they have any available. Funny thing, though -- a few years ago I picked up some other identical-looking garnets in a schist that was really (visually) a dead ringer for the Wrangell schist! But they came from North Carolina?? I think. I'd have to look it up to be sure. But definitely not Wrangell. Cheers! Margaret Malm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 8 15:40:27 2004 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Aug 8 15:40:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine In-Reply-To: <20040808220419.54285EAA3BD@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <20040808224027.3330.qmail@web51001.mail.yahoo.com> Franklin, NC has a number of places where you can pan for stones in buckets of mud. Most are not all native material. Some of the stones the mud was "salted" with may have been from Alaska. Jim Daly --- Margaret Malm wrote: > > > >A few years ago, the owner of the garnet site on > the Stikine River near > Wrangell, Alaska died and willed the site to the > local Boy Scout troop. > Since then, these magnificent crystal have all but > disappeared from the > market (Apparently the scouts are neither good > miners or marketers!). > Does anyone know if someone is mining or selling > these minerals? The > Wrangell Chamber of Commerce is unhelpful, and > evidently no one shows up at > Tucson or Denver with them. > > >Thanks...........Larry Rush > www.ConnRoxMinerals.com > www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com > > > >"Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, > but he never, ever worked in the mines" > > True, true. Although I just finished a month of opal > mining etc. in > Australia and actually enjoyed doing it. > > The last I heard ( a couple of years ago), they were > giving a few permits > for people to go in and mine them. It's in a remote > area up the river; you > have to go up by boat (I think they may take you up > (with you paying them > for the ride, of course; they let you off up there > and you backpack in to a > (very) backcountry cabin where you stay for 3 (I > think) days while gathering > them. After that they come pick you up and take you > back down to Wrangell. > The garnets are in a schist that has to be busted up > to get the garnets out. > I don't think the kids ever did (or ever will) try > to do large-scale > marketing; they just hung around the ferry and > cruise boat docks with muffin > tins full of them (that's how I got my first ones!) > Some of them made enough > money out of this to finance their college > educations. > I have occasionally seen them in shops in Alaska in > the past, but none > recently. Last time I saw any, a woman was selling > them (and other minerals > etc.) in a little shop across the street from the > NPS Visitor Center in > Skagway. She had managed to persuade the supplier to > let her have a few that > were still in the matrix, and I got a couple. But > they went back to > Anchorage after the end of the season and haven't > come back. > > You might try looking (on the Internet) for rock > shops in Anchorage and see > if they have any available. > > Funny thing, though -- a few years ago I picked up > some other > identical-looking garnets in a schist that was > really (visually) a dead > ringer for the Wrangell schist! But they came from > North Carolina?? I think. > I'd have to look it up to be sure. But definitely > not Wrangell. > > Cheers! > > Margaret Malm > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Micromount material and supplies http://www.sauktown.com/ orders@sauktown.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 8 20:18:09 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 8 19:50:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iowa DISSAPEARS! References: <200408021401.i72E1kCo022393@bubbleator.drizzle.com><001b01c478a5$b0d40b40$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> <1091631343.2749.1.camel@localhost> <006701c47a39$11f59c10$6402a8c0@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <4116E656.49B5@Tomaszewski.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > It evidently disappeared when the Earth tilted from N-S to E-W. > > I missed that... Tonight? I was having a BBQ with my neighbour and his wife > (soon to be). Yoda says: "plastered I was". > > Axel (I think) > Sorry for coming into this one late, but I've been gone for a week and am also trying to catch up on my email... It sounds like it might have been your fault Axel, you tipped one too many. But maybe it just moved. As Frank Lloyd Wright said, "Tip the world over on its side and everything loose will land in Los Angeles". Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 8 21:35:42 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 8 21:07:29 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report Message-ID: <4116F879.5DAA@Tomaszewski.net> As you might remember, my family and I were off camping last week with my siblings and their families in the Leelanau Peninsula of Lower Michigan. We then went on to the Soo Sault Marie area of Upper Michigan. We stayed at Leelanau State Park for the first five days, and I can highly recommend it as one of the better parks in the state. The Park's website invites visitors to hunt for Petoskey Stones on the beaches of the Park. And hunt we did -- and we found what we were looking for too. My younger sister picked up one the size of a volleyball. I filled a shoulder bag with smaller stones during the week so my trading stock is no longer almost gone. Everyone found at least one good specimen to take home. If you want to see some pictures of the rock covered beaches, my son put a few up on his server at http://deku.ath.cx/andy/pics/pics.html and you can click on any picture for a bigger version. BTW, I'm the one on the far right (holding the dog you can't see) in the family picture if you get to the second page. We found a few other interesting items. My brother's youngest son, who is turning into a real rockhound, picked up a chunk of limestone with most of a geode in it (I later found one, but Will's was much better); he also found a quartzite cobble with several vugs full of rose quartz crystals I would be proud to show in my collection. Michigan has a lot of erratics courtesy of the glaciers, and I brought a few of those home (mostly for tumbling) too. On the way to the Soo we stopped by the Davisdon Rock Shop in Traverse City and I picked up a shopping bag of assorted specimens and slabs. Around the Soo we spent most of our time visiting history, seeing the Locks and shipping, and visiting Tahquamenom Falls to enjoy the geology (sorry, not much collecting allowed in this park), hiking some four miles between the lower and upper falls. It wasn't my best collecting trip, but we had great weather, a beautiful environment, and a really fun time. Kreigh From Docia1154 at aol.com Mon Aug 9 05:39:21 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 9 05:39:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report Message-ID: <6a.4306fd7a.2e48ca79@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/2004 11:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: he also found a quartzite cobble with several vugs full of rose quartz crystals I would be proud to show in my collection I've never heard of a cobble? please tell me what this is Thanks, Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From shm at tapnet.net Mon Aug 9 07:15:16 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Mon Aug 9 07:16:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report In-Reply-To: <6a.4306fd7a.2e48ca79@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c47e1b$6928b9f0$bae4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Good morning Docia, "Cobble" is a term used by geologists to describe the size of the particles of which sediments and sedimentary rocks are composed. In ascending order of size the terms are clay, silt, sand, pebbles, cobbles, and boulders. The Wentworth size scale specifies the dividing line between each of these terms. There are subdivisions within these terms, too, such as fine, medium, and coarse sand. There is much useful information inherent in such descriptions as "silty fine-grained sandstone" or "pebble-cobble conglomerate". Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Docia1154@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:39 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report In a message dated 8/8/2004 11:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: he also found a quartzite cobble with several vugs full of rose quartz crystals I would be proud to show in my collection I've never heard of a cobble? please tell me what this is Thanks, Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Docia1154 at aol.com Mon Aug 9 07:45:51 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 9 07:47:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report Message-ID: <60.426d2bdf.2e48e81f@aol.com> okay, cool - like in a cobble stone house. so now I can get the picture of a quartzite cobble. thanks In a message dated 8/9/2004 9:16:34 AM Central Daylight Time, shm@tapnet.net writes: Good morning Docia, "Cobble" is a term used by geologists to describe the size of the particles of which sediments and sedimentary rocks are composed. In ascending order of size the terms are clay, silt, sand, pebbles, cobbles, and boulders. The Wentworth size scale specifies the dividing line between each of these terms. There are subdivisions within these terms, too, such as fine, medium, and coarse sand. There is much useful information inherent in such descriptions as "silty fine-grained sandstone" or "pebble-cobble conglomerate". Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Docia1154@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:39 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report In a message dated 8/8/2004 11:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: he also found a quartzite cobble with several vugs full of rose quartz crystals I would be proud to show in my collection I've never heard of a cobble? please tell me what this is Thanks, Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Aug 9 08:53:24 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Aug 9 08:53:29 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report Message-ID: <080920041553.5506.41179DF40006749600001582216028074107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> and, Docia, (adding to what Earl just said), "officially", a cobble is between 2.5 inches and 10 inches in diameter (one finds that expressed in metric sizes, too). Smaller is a pebble, and larger is a boulder. It's nice to know that geologists have formally agreed on what defines a "boulder". Now, if we could just agree on what a "rock" is! Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from Docia1154@aol.com: -------------- > In a message dated 8/8/2004 11:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > he also found a quartzite cobble with several vugs full of rose quartz > crystals I would be proud to show in my collection > I've never heard of a cobble? please tell me what this is > > Thanks, Docia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From italianminerals at libero.it Tue Aug 10 19:08:45 2004 From: italianminerals at libero.it (ItalianMinerals) Date: Mon Aug 9 10:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- Newly released CD on mineralogical localities of Tuscany (Italy) and Isola Elba (Italy) Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040810190601.02579728@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, going for rocks in Italy and , may be you are going in the area of Tuscany ? or to Isola Elba ? you might need the CD on the minerals of these 2 areas. The CDs are in Italian but photos, maps and indications are easily usable ! Contact me offlist in case you need infos. Regards, Alessandro ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals ===================== From folmstead at rcn.com Mon Aug 9 18:33:42 2004 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Fred Olmstead) Date: Mon Aug 9 18:17:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] TRAMMEL FOSSIL PARK DEDICATION - September 29, 2003 Message-ID: <411825F6.5060000@rcn.com> I JUST GOT BACK HOME ON SUNDAY. WENT TO MY SAND COLLECTORS - ISCS SandFest 2004 IN INDIANA - YES! THERE IS SINGING SAND FROM THE INDIANA DUNES! VISITED RELATIVES IN CINCINNATI AND COLLECTED... THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT COLLECTING SITES FOR FOSSILS IN INDIANA AND OHIO. THE TRAMMEL FOSSIL PARK IS JUST ONE PLACE THAT I VISITED.... I MET MR. TRAMMEL. HE SHOWED ME THE VERY LARGE TRILOBITE THAT HE RECENTLY FOUND. IT WAS NOT THE LARGEST - BY AN INCH OR SO. HE HAS A GREAT PARK! IF YOU ARE IN THE AREA STOP AT THE RADIATOR REPAIR SHOP ON TRAMMEL ROAD AND YOU MIGHT FIND HIM OR A RELATIVE -SHARONVILLE, OHIO. GeorgiaO http://drydredgers.org/trammel.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 9 20:33:04 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 9 20:01:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Short Trip Report References: <6a.4306fd7a.2e48ca79@aol.com> Message-ID: <41183A7D.3761@Tomaszewski.net> Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/8/2004 11:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > he also found a quartzite cobble with several vugs full of rose quartz > crystals I would be proud to show in my collection > I've never heard of a cobble? please tell me what this is > > Thanks, Docia Think of a cobblestone road. Generally roundish stones layed with tops roughly even, placed closely togther, but not usually in a completely regular pattrern. 5-6 inches in diameter is typical but sizes will vary some. Stones are usually formed in river beds or by glaciers. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 9 20:46:17 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 9 20:14:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Siderazot-pahoehoe-etc References: <003a01c472f9$e2050720$6402a8c0@axel> <4107231D.1DBA@Tomaszewski.net><002301c47482$d1773ec0$6402a8c0@axel><410872E6.499D@Tomaszewski.net> <004501c475b5$3c936700$6402a8c0@axel> <01da01c47ab5$5c5107a0$caa5490c@pete> Message-ID: <41183D94.7B42@Tomaszewski.net> Peter J. Modreski wrote: > And a P.S. to one of Kreigh's replies--just a correction, magma does not > "emerge from the core"; it originates in the upper mantle, and mostly just > from the uppermost 100 km or less, of the mantle. > You are right, core was the wrong term. But it was my understanding that hotspots like Hawaii have deeper roots than a more typical volcano along a plate subduction line. This is why they tend to remain stationary (relative to the core/mantle) while the crust/plates slide over them. Kreigh From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue Aug 10 07:06:32 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Aug 10 07:03:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408101402.i7AE2wgu021089@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I just got back from Ogdensburg (you know, that sibling to the south of Franklin?) and have found a new way to ship rocks back home: FedEx. Whodathunkit? Zinc ore is heavy. Way heavy. Way, WAY, it's-gonna-kill-ya heavy. I've tried bringing it home as checked luggage. Ten years ago I could get away with it (Watcha got in that box??? Rocks???) Now you pay a bunch. So... With a goodly pile of specimens to ship home I started calling around. US Postal? Nice, but not open when I needed 'em. UPS? Pricey. FedEx? Hmmm... FedEx GROUND. Cool... They were around 20% less expensive than anyone else. And, a bonus... FedEx bought out Kinko's a while ago. This makes every Kinko's a FedEx shipping point. That gives us the real bonus: many Kinko's are 24-hour operations. So, last Friday I was collecting rocks in the morning and packing 'em up for shipment at 10 PM that night on the sidewalk in front of the Parsippany Kinko's. (and wowing people with my portable UV!). So... No more schlepping heavy luggage and paying the hit for "overweight". GcB http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 10 06:59:49 2004 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Aug 10 07:03:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] East Coast Gem & Mineral Show Message-ID: <000a01c47ee2$738f5b20$3b8b4c0c@fekib> East Coast Gem & Mineral Show August 13, 14, 15 9 am- 7 pm Friday, Saturday 9 am - 4 pm Sunday Better Living Center Eastern States Exposition W. Springfield, MA Biggest show in the east, over 200 dealers! www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 09:09:12 2004 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Tue Aug 10 09:09:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwestern Ohio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040810160912.55126.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> The watervile quarry has a little calcite, pyrite and celesite (found it on the dumps) However as always get permission. When I was a young and stupid (1980's) wandered around in that quarry a lot and got irredesent pyrite and micro pyrite crystals. Also if you og to the cemetery in waterville and head out the back (yes I know the comments you cna make. My mom is buried cloes to the end) the quarry dump is there. At the quarry edge you can see glaceier marks in the top surface of limestone cloes to the edge wall BE CAREFUL Slyvania quarry had great fossils and I believe they are opening it up as a fossil park. --- Dave D Hochstein wrote: > Anyone know of any good rockhounding spots in > Northwestern > Ohio? Just moved from Albuquerque, and I'm getting > desperate for a fieldtrip! > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From arf at mc.net Tue Aug 10 10:28:51 2004 From: arf at mc.net (Jack Schmidling) Date: Tue Aug 10 10:32:12 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Roughing Wheel Advice References: <000a01c47ee2$738f5b20$3b8b4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <049a01c47eff$fa537430$7f5e70d1@S0033035959> I bought a RockRascal a few months ago and replaced the silicon carbide wheel with a 320 diamond wheel made by Eastwind Abbrasives. It is nearly useless now and needs to be replaced. I used it quite a bit but I certainly expected better life out of it than what I got. First of all I think 320 was a big mistake and a coarser wheel would be a better choice but would like some opinions. Secondly, the Eastwind was not very expensive, less that $100 as I recall and suspect you get what you pay for. I want to use it for roughing cabs and faceted stones and would like some advice on better quality wheels. Thanks, js p.s. Check out the Maltese Cross on my gems page. It was made from stones found in my garden. http://schmidling.netfirms.com/gems.htm PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.netfirms.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.netfirms.com From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Aug 10 12:33:36 2004 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Aug 10 12:41:29 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 References: <200408100102.i7A12hJf012774@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <008001c47f12$34e3f4f0$22e2a5d8@Rock5> Dear Kreigh, I found the report of your trip to Michigan interesting, especially the report of your brothers son finding a quartz cobble with vugs full of rose quartz crystals. I have never heard of any locality in the United States that produced rose quartz crystals except for the one in Mt. Plumbago, Maine. The rose quartz crystals in Maine are not very large and when they were discovered they were the only locality in the world know to produce real rose quartz crystals and not just quartz stained with iron to superficially display a pink color. Later of course, localities in Brazil were discovered that produced specimens of rose quartz crystals that far surpassed those from Maine. Are you sure these your brothers son found are real rose quartz crystals and not just iron stained quartz? If so I would think that the major mineral museums in Michigan would very much like to see the specimen. Rock From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Aug 10 18:27:57 2004 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Aug 10 18:27:52 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cave in Rock update Message-ID: <007f01c47f42$6f4db830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Don Hastie, owner of Hastie's Mines in Cave in Rock, Illinois has asked me to help spread the word that access to their property is no longer available to collectors, clubs and geology classes. MSHA regulations have clamped down hard on their operations and violations by allowing access by individuals without the proper MSHA training have the possibility to delivering crippling fines. He has locked all previous "back road" access points because there have been collectors trespassing despite the posting of signs. Don truly regrets having to do this. His choice is to follow the regulations or go out of business. His response is a matter of survival for his family and employees. If you or your club has collected around Cave in Rock before, please spread this news around to clubs and fellow mineral collectors. Alan Goldstein Louisville, KY --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Aug 10 20:39:35 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 10 20:39:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 References: <200408100102.i7A12hJf012774@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <008001c47f12$34e3f4f0$22e2a5d8@Rock5> Message-ID: <411994E2.62A@Tomaszewski.net> Rock, I agree with you that rose quartz crystals are rare. When Will showed me the specimen he found for a field identification I cautioned him it was a most unusual specimen, and that it might be quite valuable, so he should take good care of it. My field ID was rose quartz, but I cautioned him it might just be hematite stained quartz. However, the worn edges of the exposed vugs were pink, so it wasn't a surface coating. I was pretty sure of my rose quartz identification (but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong). Much of the glacial stuff in lower Michigan came from Canada (or at least Michigan's UP). It may have been found in lower Michigan, but I really doubt it came from there. I've written Will and requested he loan me the specimen for further study. It would not be the first time he has mailed me rocks. I hope to have an update in a few weeks. Kreigh Rock Currier wrote: > > Dear Kreigh, > I found the report of your trip to Michigan interesting, especially the > report of your brothers son finding a quartz cobble with vugs full of rose > quartz crystals. I have never heard of any locality in the United States > that produced rose quartz crystals except for the one in Mt. Plumbago, > Maine. The rose quartz crystals in Maine are not very large and when they > were discovered they were the only locality in the world know to produce > real rose quartz crystals and not just quartz stained with iron to > superficially display a pink color. Later of course, localities in Brazil > were discovered that produced specimens of rose quartz crystals that far > surpassed those from Maine. Are you sure these your brothers son found are > real rose quartz crystals and not just iron stained quartz? If so I would > think that the major mineral museums in Michigan would very much like to see > the specimen. > Rock From k.conroy at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 10 21:25:45 2004 From: k.conroy at worldnet.att.net (Kevin Conroy) Date: Tue Aug 10 21:23:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cave in Rock update References: <007f01c47f42$6f4db830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000e01c47f5b$4689bd40$d08c4a0c@kcmins> Hi Alan & Group! This is not a reminder to everyone to go collecting just because of MSHA regulations (which are in place to ensure the safety of everyone in the mining industry). It's also a reminder of common courtesy, and law, that unless you own the property you are supposed to have permission from the owner of the property to be there. PERIOD! I think we've all seen way too many collecting sites shut down just because some rude people have decided it's OK for them to trespass to collect some specimens. This is NOT an acceptable practice, either in principle or law. If you want to keep yourself out of trouble and respect the rights of everyone else it would behoove you to follow the code of ethics of the American Federation of Mineralogical Societies: www.amfed.org/ethics.htm All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Cave in Rock update Don Hastie, owner of Hastie's Mines in Cave in Rock, Illinois has asked me to help spread the word that access to their property is no longer available to collectors, clubs and geology classes. MSHA regulations have clamped down hard on their operations and violations by allowing access by individuals without the proper MSHA training have the possibility to delivering crippling fines. He has locked all previous "back road" access points because there have been collectors trespassing despite the posting of signs. Don truly regrets having to do this. His choice is to follow the regulations or go out of business. His response is a matter of survival for his family and employees. If you or your club has collected around Cave in Rock before, please spread this news around to clubs and fellow mineral collectors. Alan Goldstein Louisville, KY --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Mon Aug 9 03:13:57 2004 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Wed Aug 11 09:06:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine References: <000e01c47c10$65fe44a0$398e4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <41174E65.5A4D4AA0@gmx.de> As far as I understand, Garnet Ledge was given to the Juneau Troop/Council, not to any troop which may/or may not be in Wrangell. There are inferior ledges which are privately held and there are, of course, alluvial garnets, but it may be difficult to persuade someone to show you any place. There is supposedly a mineral tour boat (Hyack Tours) that was privately run, but that was 15 years ago. They sold one week bed and breakfast, on the boat, tours. I understand the tours were very good. Didn't find them under this spelling on the net. They operated out of Ketchikan. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaskan almandine A few years ago, the owner of the garnet site on the Stikine River near Wrangell, Alaska died and willed the site to the local Boy Scout troop. Since then, these magnificent crystal have all but disappeared from the market (Apparently the scouts are neither good miners or marketers!). Does anyone know if someone is mining or selling these minerals? The Wrangell Chamber of Commerce is unhelpful, and evidently no one shows up at Tucson or Denver with them. Thanks...........Larry Rush www.ConnRoxMinerals.com www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com From jpjunk at mc.net Wed Aug 11 09:36:32 2004 From: jpjunk at mc.net (jjunkroski) Date: Wed Aug 11 09:33:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks In-Reply-To: <200408101402.i7AE2wgu021089@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: I have also used FedEx ground with good results, shipping lots of rocks from CA back to IL. However, I ran into a problem trying to ship stuff home from Canada... lots of red tape...so I hauled it all back home in my wifes brand new Mini Cooper. She was not exactly over-joyed at the prospect of turning her shiny little machine into a gravel truck. Has anyone had any success shipping rocks across the border without hiring a customs broker? We had a great experience at Bancroft and probably will return to Ontario next year, and I always collect way too much. "Junk" on 8/10/04 9:06 AM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > I just got back from Ogdensburg (you know, that sibling to the south of > Franklin?) and have found a new way to ship rocks back home: FedEx. > Whodathunkit? > > Zinc ore is heavy. Way heavy. Way, WAY, it's-gonna-kill-ya heavy. I've > tried bringing it home as checked luggage. Ten years ago I could get away > with it (Watcha got in that box??? Rocks???) Now you pay a bunch. So... > With a goodly pile of specimens to ship home I started calling around. US > Postal? Nice, but not open when I needed 'em. UPS? Pricey. FedEx? > Hmmm... FedEx GROUND. Cool... They were around 20% less expensive than > anyone else. And, a bonus... FedEx bought out Kinko's a while ago. This > makes every Kinko's a FedEx shipping point. That gives us the real bonus: > many Kinko's are 24-hour operations. So, last Friday I was collecting rocks > in the morning and packing 'em up for shipment at 10 PM that night on the > sidewalk in front of the Parsippany Kinko's. (and wowing people with my > portable UV!). > > So... No more schlepping heavy luggage and paying the hit for "overweight". > > GcB > > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Wed Aug 11 09:38:18 2004 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Wed Aug 11 09:38:20 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Roughing wheels Message-ID: <20040811163818.51BE04F3D7@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> I work for Boeing and our cutter grind uses three types of wheels for carbide; Diamond, carborundum and green sil/carbide. The carborundum runs about $33 and the green wheels about $45 David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 10:37:59 2004 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Aug 11 10:38:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c47fc9$f88de7a0$dcd5c850@maxdata> *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of jjunkroski *Sent: woensdag 11 augustus 2004 18:37 *To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem *collectorsgbrown@catspaw-minerals.com, *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks * *Has anyone had any success shipping rocks across the border without hiring a customs broker? We had a great experience at Bancroft and probably will return to Ontario next year, and I always collect way too much. * >>>>> I ship specimens every time I come back from Tucson, as 100-200 kg is not accepted by most Airlines as hand luggage :>) I experienced this year that regulations are even more stringent than before. Every parcel had to be hand-inspected by a certified safety service. I normally use the services of Exel (which are Excellent !). Because (as usual) I could bring the specimens only in near to the moment of my departure from the US, I had to outsource the inspection. The representative of Exel organised the inspection personally, but the whole thing costed me 100 USD extra. EVERY box was unpacked ! I could easily see that, because their re-packing was done in another way than I'm used to do it. Anyway, now damaged specimens, no problems. and customs upon arrival here in Belgium ? No problem, if you declare the value as you should. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 11:24:52 2004 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Aug 11 11:24:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040811182452.95454.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> I ship mineral specimens all over the world, using the US Post Office. Haven't had any problems. I haven't shipped into the US, though. Those who have shipped to me from Canada have used the postal service. I always fill out the customs form as "scientific specimens for study" Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com --- jjunkroski wrote: > I have also used FedEx ground with good results, > shipping lots of rocks from > CA back to IL. > > However, I ran into a problem trying to ship stuff > home from Canada... lots > of red tape...so I hauled it all back home in my > wifes brand new Mini > Cooper. > > She was not exactly over-joyed at the prospect of > turning her shiny little > machine into a gravel truck. > > Has anyone had any success shipping rocks across the > border without hiring a > customs broker? We had a great experience at > Bancroft and probably will > return to Ontario next year, and I always collect > way too much. > > "Junk" > > > on 8/10/04 9:06 AM, Gary Brown at > gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > > > I just got back from Ogdensburg (you know, that > sibling to the south of > > Franklin?) and have found a new way to ship rocks > back home: FedEx. > > Whodathunkit? > > > > Zinc ore is heavy. Way heavy. Way, WAY, > it's-gonna-kill-ya heavy. I've > > tried bringing it home as checked luggage. Ten > years ago I could get away > > with it (Watcha got in that box??? Rocks???) Now > you pay a bunch. So... > > With a goodly pile of specimens to ship home I > started calling around. US > > Postal? Nice, but not open when I needed 'em. > UPS? Pricey. FedEx? > > Hmmm... FedEx GROUND. Cool... They were around > 20% less expensive than > > anyone else. And, a bonus... FedEx bought out > Kinko's a while ago. This > > makes every Kinko's a FedEx shipping point. That > gives us the real bonus: > > many Kinko's are 24-hour operations. So, last > Friday I was collecting rocks > > in the morning and packing 'em up for shipment at > 10 PM that night on the > > sidewalk in front of the Parsippany Kinko's. (and > wowing people with my > > portable UV!). > > > > So... No more schlepping heavy luggage and paying > the hit for "overweight". > > > > GcB > > > > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From arf at mc.net Wed Aug 11 13:30:04 2004 From: arf at mc.net (Jack Schmidling) Date: Wed Aug 11 13:30:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Roughing wheels References: <20040811163818.51BE04F3D7@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <064c01c47fe2$0c6ccd50$7f5e70d1@S0033035959> From: "rain forest" > I work for Boeing and our cutter grind uses three types of wheels for carbide; Diamond, carborundum and green sil/carbide. The carborundum runs about $33 and the green wheels about $45 The RockRascal comes with the green wheel and quickly developed grooves just doing easy stuff and is nearly useless for corundum. Diamond is the only option. js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.netfirms.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.netfirms.com From lanny at lrream.com Wed Aug 11 13:48:23 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Aug 11 13:47:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] almost Free book Message-ID: Hi again, I'm here to bother everyone with another book, although I'm having a difficult time coming up with the best way to get this one to a deserving home. I expect that it won't be desired by very many, thus a contest is not a good way to decide who gets it. I'm going to use the monetary method. The book will probably be of interest to Pennsylvania collectors mostly. The book is "Geology and Mineralogy of Copper-Uranium Occurrences in the Picture Rocks and Sonestown Quagrangles, Lycoming and Sullivan Counties, Pennsylvania" by Robert C. Smith, II and Donald T. Hoff. Longest title on the list by far. It is Mineral Resource Report 90, 1984 by the Pennsylvania Topographic and Geologic Survey. It is 271 pages, a lot of photos, b&w of mines and rock formations and color of uranium ore, including some good specimen photos of minerals/crystals. It you want it, send a one time bid on what you will pay for it. The minimum bid is $2.50 to cover shipping. Send your offer to: Lanny@LRReam.com by 9:00 PM Friday (Aug. 13). Good luck. Lanny From lanny at lrream.com Wed Aug 11 14:03:46 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Aug 11 14:03:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book Message-ID: Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in your opinion), The book is "Through the Crust of the Earth" by Lord Energlyn, 1973. Hard cover, 127 pages. The chapters are: "Mysteries of the Underworld," The Riches Underfoot," "This Violent Planet," "The Re-Creating Earth," "Fossils: The Museum of Life" and "New Discoveries." Lots of color photos, diagrams, etc. explaining the earth and geologic processes. Good condition, but with a slight odor of having been in damp air in a basement (which it probably was at one time). For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My favorite mineral, and why, in (25?) words or less?" And we are sticking with the 25 words. You have until 9:00 PM PDT on Saturday (Aug 14) to submit your response to the list. Then everyone can vote by sending their choice of the best to me at by email address (Lanny@LRReam.com) by the following Monday evening. I'll count them and notify the winner. Again, I might be out in the field the first half of next week so will do the counting and notifying the end of the week. Montana here I come, maybe. Have fun, Lanny From BNMJEFF at aol.com Wed Aug 11 14:09:24 2004 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 11 14:09:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book Message-ID: <199.2d1e023f.2e4be504@aol.com> In all of the mineral kingdom, no other mineral has the amazing variety of shapes and colors to match Fluorite! A true collectors mineral! Jeff Ursillo --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Aug 11 20:25:21 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 11 20:22:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks References: Message-ID: <411AE251.6F9F@Tomaszewski.net> jjunkroski wrote: > Has anyone had any success shipping rocks across the border without hiring a > customs broker? We had a great experience at Bancroft and probably will > return to Ontario next year, and I always collect way too much. > > "Junk" I've done a fair number of trades internationally using USPS. All I have ever had to do was fill out a customs slip at the Post Office specifying "97050000 - Mineral specimens for scientific study, none or nominal cash value". From the packages I have received, the senders outside of the US have only had to perform a similar declaration when sending to me. The only problem is that you have to take the package to the post office yourself, wait, and take counter time with a clerk as you fill out a couple quick forms. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Aug 11 20:56:24 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 11 20:53:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book References: Message-ID: <411AE994.5916@Tomaszewski.net> Gypsum may only have six recognized habits, but its variety from impurities, and beautiful crystal forms, compliment its varied ordinary uses in our daily life. Kreigh Lanny wrote: > > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in your > opinion), > > The book is "Through the Crust of the Earth" by Lord Energlyn, 1973. > Hard cover, 127 pages. The chapters are: "Mysteries of the Underworld," > The Riches Underfoot," "This Violent Planet," "The Re-Creating Earth," > "Fossils: The Museum of Life" and "New Discoveries." Lots of color > photos, diagrams, etc. explaining the earth and geologic processes. > Good condition, but with a slight odor of having been in damp air in a > basement (which it probably was at one time). > > For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > favorite mineral, and why, in (25?) words or less?" And we are sticking > with the 25 words. You have until 9:00 PM PDT on Saturday (Aug 14) to > submit your response to the list. Then everyone can vote by sending > their choice of the best to me at by email address (Lanny@LRReam.com) > by the following Monday evening. I'll count them and notify the winner. > > Again, I might be out in the field the first half of next week so will > do the counting and notifying the end of the week. Montana here I come, > maybe. > > Have fun, > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From cjkuo at verizon.net Wed Aug 11 21:04:56 2004 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Wed Aug 11 21:06:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book References: <411AE994.5916@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <039001c48021$89afea60$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, with accompanying hours long tale. :-) From magnet at crocoite.com Thu Aug 12 03:20:50 2004 From: magnet at crocoite.com (magnet) Date: Thu Aug 12 03:20:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book Message-ID: <20040812102050.8487.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Lanny (I actually don't want to win the book but am putting in an entry for the fun of it). In the words of Bart Simpson: "Quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz, quartz". Lisa: "That's only 24 Bart" Bart: "Doh!" Regards Steve PS - Good luck to the rest of you! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Thu Aug 12 05:46:14 2004 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Aug 12 05:46:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c4806a$5a9242c0$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Ode To Calcite: Oh beautiful waxy luster! Oh strengthener of bones! Your myriad crystal habits Give you the marble throne. Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:04 PM To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com"@smtp3.sitespecific.net :A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in your opinion), The book is "Through the Crust of the Earth" by Lord Energlyn, 1973. Hard cover, 127 pages. The chapters are: "Mysteries of the Underworld," The Riches Underfoot," "This Violent Planet," "The Re-Creating Earth," "Fossils: The Museum of Life" and "New Discoveries." Lots of color photos, diagrams, etc. explaining the earth and geologic processes. Good condition, but with a slight odor of having been in damp air in a basement (which it probably was at one time). For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My favorite mineral, and why, in (25?) words or less?" And we are sticking with the 25 words. You have until 9:00 PM PDT on Saturday (Aug 14) to submit your response to the list. Then everyone can vote by sending their choice of the best to me at by email address (Lanny@LRReam.com) by the following Monday evening. I'll count them and notify the winner. Again, I might be out in the field the first half of next week so will do the counting and notifying the end of the week. Montana here I come, maybe. Have fun, Lanny _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Jg81638 at aol.com Thu Aug 12 06:56:51 2004 From: Jg81638 at aol.com (Jg81638@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 12 06:56:58 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) Free Book Message-ID: <7f.4a26b3e5.2e4cd123@aol.com> Heamatite - var. moki marble/Martian blueberry - because of their mystery and how I've always dreamed of collecting et minerals - live long and prospect, out there! Jim Groves --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From shm at tapnet.net Thu Aug 12 07:20:54 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Thu Aug 12 07:21:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c48077$b2139d70$a7e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Franklinite, source of zinc, both literally and figuratively one of the world's most galvanizing mineral species. Cheers- Earl Verbeek (at Sterling Hill Mining Museum) From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Aug 12 07:36:46 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Aug 12 07:33:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book In-Reply-To: <000001c48077$b2139d70$a7e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <200408121433.i7CEX7Qw002997@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I beg to differ... Zincite, cousin to said franklinite, red as the blood on the sword of a knight. Bladed or massive, A collector's delight. Zincite's the one that I'll grab in a thrice. Franklinite, nay, though a fine mineral be. >From Sterling it's zincite, the bleb that's for me. GcB PS. Everyone needs to congratulate Earl on his New House. A gen-you-ine miner's house! > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:21 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Free book > > > Franklinite, source of zinc, both literally and figuratively > one of the world's most galvanizing mineral species. > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek (at Sterling Hill Mining Museum) From jpjunk at mc.net Thu Aug 12 11:32:42 2004 From: jpjunk at mc.net (jjunkroski) Date: Thu Aug 12 11:29:57 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks In-Reply-To: <411AE251.6F9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Kreigh: Thanks for the tip, I'll try that next time. Do you have to have the packages open for inspection or can they be all sealed and ready to go? Also, any weight limitations? Thanks, "Junk" > I've done a fair number of trades internationally using USPS. All I have > ever had to do was fill out a customs slip at the Post Office specifying > "97050000 - Mineral specimens for scientific study, none or nominal cash > value". From the packages I have received, the senders outside of the US > have only had to perform a similar declaration when sending to me. The > only problem is that you have to take the package to the post office > yourself, wait, and take counter time with a clerk as you fill out a > couple quick forms. > > Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Thu Aug 12 14:12:19 2004 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Thu Aug 12 14:08:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral Message-ID: <002401c480b1$0dbdb640$ed7ea118@feldsparflash> Oh Feldspar,,,,sanidine, orthoclase, anorthoclase, adularia, microcline,amazonite, albite, oligioclase, labradorite, bytownite, anorthite, celsian, hyalophane... perthite, cleavelandite, peristerite..and I'm looking for more!! I'm not writing for the book...Just an obsessed feldspar collector...Carolyn Reynard sunstone3@hvc.rr.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lehkerd at gvsu.edu Thu Aug 12 14:18:48 2004 From: lehkerd at gvsu.edu (David Lehker) Date: Thu Aug 12 14:19:20 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks Message-ID: I've had good experience recently shipping through the USPS within the US. The weight limit is 70 pounds. However I was informed by the agent that anything over 50 pounds is treated as indelicately as possible. This was confirmed for me when I received one of my boxes - about 70 pounds packed in a firm plastic box - arrived repackaged in a different box. Apparently the original box was destroyed in transit. Smaller weights have arrived without incident. Dave >>> jpjunk@mc.net 08/12/04 02:32PM >>> Kreigh: Thanks for the tip, I'll try that next time. Do you have to have the packages open for inspection or can they be all sealed and ready to go? Also, any weight limitations? Thanks, "Junk" > I've done a fair number of trades internationally using USPS. All I have > ever had to do was fill out a customs slip at the Post Office specifying > "97050000 - Mineral specimens for scientific study, none or nominal cash > value". From the packages I have received, the senders outside of the US > have only had to perform a similar declaration when sending to me. The > only problem is that you have to take the package to the post office > yourself, wait, and take counter time with a clerk as you fill out a > couple quick forms. > > Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Aug 12 14:53:31 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Aug 12 14:49:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408122149.i7CLnpRi027671@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Rocks just arrived, as promised, on schedule, for FedEx Ground. All looks good except for one very large slab of calcite/zincite that was "originally" around 20 pounds. It's now a number of smaller chunks. My own fault though... I had it too close to the bottom of the large box and not enough padding around it. Now the fun... Unpacking all the stuff and looking at it with the SuperBright! GcB From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Aug 12 15:38:36 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Aug 12 15:32:46 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shipping Rocks References: Message-ID: <411BF005.2632@Tomaszewski.net> I checked the rate tables at usps.gov and found my memory was just a little off. If I read the rate tables correctly... International Priority Mail has a weight limit of 4 pounds. Domestic Priority mail has a weight limit of 70 pounds. International Air Mail Parcel Post has a weight limit of 70 pounds, as does the Economy (surface) Parcel Post service. The size limit appears to be 130 inches measured length and distance around the thickest part (but only an 84 inch rule for some rates). I've always had everything sealed and ready to go. You have to fill out a special label and a custom's declaration at the counter (all the info should be on the label you prepared anyway). Kreigh jjunkroski wrote: > > Kreigh: > > Thanks for the tip, I'll try that next time. > Do you have to have the packages open for inspection or can they be all > sealed and ready to go? Also, any weight limitations? > > Thanks, > "Junk" > > > I've done a fair number of trades internationally using USPS. All I have > > ever had to do was fill out a customs slip at the Post Office specifying > > "97050000 - Mineral specimens for scientific study, none or nominal cash > > value". From the packages I have received, the senders outside of the US > > have only had to perform a similar declaration when sending to me. The > > only problem is that you have to take the package to the post office > > yourself, wait, and take counter time with a clerk as you fill out a > > couple quick forms. > > > > Kreigh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From BETDAV97 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:27:07 2004 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 13 05:27:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral Message-ID: <12b.48b4832d.2e4e0d9b@aol.com> Hello, On the feldspar group, don't leave out Narvikite and Pietersite. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Aug 13 07:57:02 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Fri Aug 13 07:50:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092409022.2742.4.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:03, Lanny wrote: > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in your > opinion), Sand. Without sand there is no beach, no glass, no brownstone; no Grand Canyon, no pearl. Only clay, lime, and the swamp. john From bg at his.com Fri Aug 13 11:26:48 2004 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Fri Aug 13 11:25:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral In-Reply-To: <12b.48b4832d.2e4e0d9b@aol.com> References: <12b.48b4832d.2e4e0d9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <569568A0-ED56-11D8-9B26-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> pietersite??? On Aug 13, 2004, at 8:27 AM, BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > On the feldspar group, don't leave out Narvikite and Pietersite. > Dave > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From BETDAV97 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 11:37:06 2004 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 13 11:37:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral Message-ID: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> sorry since it was so close to labradorite, I thought it was the same family. I stand corrected. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at aloha.net Fri Aug 13 20:15:43 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 13 19:50:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy In-Reply-To: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> References: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, For those wishing to pass on "stories" there's more rockhound stuff in the last paragraph below. I've noticed that a lot of rockhounds have dogs. Maybe its because dogs love to go on trips, running around exploring, sniffing and digging. For 13 years we've had two big dogs, named Hoku and Le'a. Those words together---Hokule'a---is the name of the replica of ancient Polynesian voyaging canoes that made an historic trip from Hawaii to Tahiti and back, in 1976 as part of the bicentennial celebrations. The name means "Star of Gladness" and refers to Arcturus, the main star used by ancient navigators. Last Friday our Hoku began to show alarming signs of illness. She had a cancerous lump removed a few months ago and the vet had warned that it might have spread, but at her age we didn't want to put her through many tests or more surgery. After taking her to the vet that Friday, and getting bad news, we decided on Saturday that it was time to help her on her way. We got the vet to send a technician to come to our home and "put her to sleep" thus sparing her another Dreaded Trip To The Vet, where she always trembled and panted and whined. Instead, she was calm and lying on her bed, with Bill and me petting her, and saying: "You're a good dog, Hoku," right through the end. It was quick and peaceful for her, but extremely difficult for us! Bill dug a hole and we buried her in the back yard with one of her favorite toys: a floppy, fuzzy frizbee, folded up the way she liked to carefully prepare it with her mouth and paws, and then walk around the room proudly with it stuffed in her mouth going: "woo, woo, woo!" Kreigh and Monica Tomaszewski, and Henry Barwood and his family have met Hoku, and they probably didn't notice her much: a rather plain black shepherd-retriever mix, not a remarkable dog. Our other dog, Le'a, a malamute-shepherd mix, looks like a wolf and is much more memorable. To make a rockhound comparison, Le'a is like a large display piece of amethyst crystals studded with fluorescent calcite crystals: flashy and spectacular. Hoku is like a big lump of black lava with a bit of iridescent coating: plain, and you have to look closely to see anything interesting. Although she was unexceptional, I am haunted by Hoku's death. Every hour there are reminders of her: If we dropped an ice cube on the floor she would pounce on it and gobble it as if it were a tasty treat. She had bits of white fur on her front paws, and a couple of times in a dark room I'd reach down to pick up what I thought were two of pieces of popcorn Bill must have dropped on the floor, only to hear Hoku's tail thump as I touched her white toes. Whenever Bill got up from a chair, Hoku would immediately go over and lie down right in front of the chair, as if to save it for him; then when he came back, she'd quickly move aside to let him sit, then jam her head between Bill and the chair arm, leaning hard against his leg to gently demand a scratch on the head. Then just to be fair, she'd come over to my chair and make the same request. So on Sunday we decided we had to get out of the house to flee the ghost memories, so we went down to where the lava was going into the ocean to find some pieces of iridescent stuff to send to Axel. (Yes, there are plenty of places that are not within the National Park boundaries to collect lava, and no, it's not bad luck to take lava from the islands---and in any case, Axel can weild a cow at any curse from Pele [new members, pardon the in-joke].) It was hot and very windy. The bright sun made it easy to check for iridescence, but the wind was so strong it nearly knocked us over as we balanced on the extremely uneven surface of the lava flows...and to fall there would be very like falling on shards of glass---actually I expect some of it IS glass. We found many pieces with iridescence in many colors: blue, yellow, gold, green, pink, and some mixtures. When the pieces are brought indoors, a bright (preferably halogen) light is required to see them at their best. I'll leave it to Axel to test them to see if the iridescence is only on the surface, or how deep a layer it makes. The exercise, the sun and wind, the ocean spray, and being around one of nature's most remarkable features, cleared our heads and lifted our spirits. Life goes on. And so collecting iridescent lava turned out to be good therapy for people missing an unremarkable black dog with popcorn toes and a name that means "Star." Aloha, Kitty From Docia1154 at aol.com Sat Aug 14 06:03:27 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 14 06:03:34 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy Message-ID: what a beautifully written tribute to a wonderful member of your family. you should print that off and keep it with a picture of her. You brought her to life for us with your words. I'm glad that you had such a great day of therapy. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From a.m.robbemond at hccnet.nl Sat Aug 14 07:12:57 2004 From: a.m.robbemond at hccnet.nl (a.m.robbemond) Date: Sat Aug 14 07:13:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral locations in Southern France References: Message-ID: <000f01c48208$ccdc10a0$0200a8c0@ANDRE1> Hi there, Next week I'll be on holiday to the South of France. First going to Tri Mouns Talc mine just about 100km North of Andorra and then going North direction Auvergne (via Millau, Espalion (famous for it's tacharanite)). Has someone suggestions about other locations to visit "near" this route back North? Best regards, Andr? From a.m.robbemond at hccnet.nl Sat Aug 14 07:19:23 2004 From: a.m.robbemond at hccnet.nl (a.m.robbemond) Date: Sat Aug 14 07:19:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite from Marocco References: Message-ID: <001301c48209$b281bce0$0200a8c0@ANDRE1> Hi again, Some month ago I received a piece of very sharp edged octahedron xls of black shiny magnetite. There are minor traces of a white, cremish matrix. It's from Marocco. Has somebody seggestions where it could come from? Best regards, Andr? From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Aug 14 08:16:44 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:16:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy References: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000901c48211$b5e97f50$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Hi Kitty, A truly heartbreaking story... it's like losing a family member, isn' it? Please accept our feelings of condolence. > So on Sunday we decided we had to get out of the house to flee the ghost > memories, so we went down to where the lava was going into the ocean to > find some pieces of iridescent stuff to send to Axel. (Yes, there are > plenty of places that are not within the National Park boundaries to > collect lava, and no, it's not bad luck to take lava from the islands---and > in any case, Axel can weild a cow at any curse from Pele [new members, > pardon the in-joke].) To make an impression on Pele, I'd probaly have to set fire to the cow before wielding it... Oh what a sight that must be... >It was hot and very windy. So am I today. I think my daughter braught home a germ from her language-vacation in France... (or was is Frenchman from Germany?) I'm no really feeling OK today so I'll help myself to a few laughs (careful though, in view of my condition...) >We found many pieces with > iridescence in many colors: blue, yellow, gold, green, pink, and some > mixtures. When the pieces are brought indoors, a bright (preferably > halogen) light is required to see them at their best. I'll leave it to > Axel to test them to see if the iridescence is only on the surface, or how > deep a layer it makes. I'm not sure but I think that I know a few guys who can really look into this. We'll keep the list posted and if the iridescence is photographable in any way, I'll make and share some picture before cutting, polishing, probing and poking is done! > The exercise, the sun and wind, the ocean spray, > and being around one of nature's most remarkable features, cleared our > heads and lifted our spirits. Life goes on. And so collecting iridescent > lava turned out to be good therapy for people missing an unremarkable black > dog with popcorn toes and a name that means "Star." Amen to that! Take care and thanks for the effort! Axel From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 14 11:09:21 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:04:35 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy References: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <008e01c48229$d3acbe40$7aa5490c@pete> Dear Kitty and Bill, I also appreciate the moving account your wrote and shared about Hoku, and I'm very sorry to hear about this loss of your pet who meant such a lot to you. Aloha, Pete From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 14 11:23:10 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:18:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book References: Message-ID: <00aa01c4822b$c1e484c0$7aa5490c@pete> I'm very impressed with the lyrical quality and imagery of several of the "favorite mineral" entries--great job, folks! I know I can't compete with those, but I ought to submit my own entry anyway, and since I can't decide between two minerals I'll cheat and use them both (also cheating by naming "minerals" which are not single mineral species either): Garnet and tourmaline, for their beauty, crystal form, and diverse color and chemistry which can tell us so much about where and how they form. Pete Modreski From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Sat Aug 14 11:53:49 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:53:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite from Marocco In-Reply-To: <001301c48209$b281bce0$0200a8c0@ANDRE1> Message-ID: Hi Andre, Most probably your sample is from Imilchil. It is a rather complex locality of episyenites and metasomatic rocks. Within the Imilchil complex Magnetite is especially known from 'Col de Tizi-n-Inouzane'. Here perfect magnetite crystals from 5cm where found. The creme matrix is often Oligoclase.It is a classic locality and the material from here is known since the 1920's. Magnetite also occurs in the 'Ambed 1' and 'Filone 51' mines in Ait Ahmane. (part of the Bou Azzer mining district). Here it is often associated with erythrine. Only 4mm crystals are known from here. Finally Magnetite is known from Azegour. I have no idea what material from here looks like. Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of a.m.robbemond Sent: 14 August 2004 16:19 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Magnetite from Marocco Hi again, Some month ago I received a piece of very sharp edged octahedron xls of black shiny magnetite. There are minor traces of a white, cremish matrix. It's from Marocco. Has somebody seggestions where it could come from? Best regards, Andr? _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Sat Aug 14 17:13:41 2004 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Sat Aug 14 17:13:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com> Ah... John was on the right track, but to split hairs, sand is not a mineral in and of itself... >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:57:02 -0500 >From: john >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book > >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:03, Lanny wrote: > > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in your > > opinion), > > >Sand. Without sand there is no beach, no glass, no brownstone; no Grand >Canyon, no pearl. Only clay, lime, and the swamp. > > > >john To Quothe the post... (EMPHASIS, MINE.) >For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > favorite MINERAL, and why, in (25?) words or less?" Given that, I'd say Silica is my favorite mineral... This gives us Sand, "beach, glass, brownstone...etc.." along with my favorite derivative of Silica.. OPAL. and now, for the "WHY" ------- Opal my friend Tough life you lead Play of color, delight Both miner and wife. Danger and hardships Payout and strife Cycle, fire will feed. ------ (I guess I could try and go on, but that is a max of 25 words... :) Cheers... -Steve Stephen Shimatzki sjs132@accesstoledo.com http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 From barny at mindspring.com Sat Aug 14 17:44:59 2004 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Sat Aug 14 17:44:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] swap Message-ID: <56175A7A-EE54-11D8-85C4-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> to list members does anyone on list have info on a flea market type swap in Washington, DC? a friend remembers going and buying mineral specimans, but doesn't remember location. thanks for any info jane From cweinber at bcpl.net Sat Aug 14 19:38:12 2004 From: cweinber at bcpl.net (cweinber) Date: Sat Aug 14 19:38:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] swap Message-ID: <4122C228@webmail.bcpl.net> Sounds more like the Swap/Sell sponsored by the Chesapeake Gem & Mineral Society at Goucher College in Towson (just north of Baltimore) Maryland. Next one will be in May 2005. C >===== Original Message From "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" ===== >to list members > >does anyone on list have info on a flea market type swap in Washington, >DC? > >a friend remembers going and buying mineral specimans, but doesn't >remember location. > >thanks for any info > >jane > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Aug 14 20:02:05 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Aug 14 19:55:57 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy References: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <411ED0B3.5363@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty and Bill, Hoku was well named, from a rich tradition. "Star of Gladness" indeed! Arcturus, prominent in the constellation "Bootes", was known as 'The Watcher', "The Guardian of the Bear", or "Keeper of the Heavens". Arcturus is one of the oldest recorded stars, appearing throughout history in important roles. The Arabs knew "Bootes" as the 'Female Wolves' and named it "Vociferator", the Greeks knew it as 'Wolf' and called it "Lycaon", and the Hebrews knew it as "the Barking Dog". "Bootes", a name derived from ploughman or ox-driver, is also known as the "Bear Driver" and "Atlas", holding up the Heavens. We had the honor and pleasure of knowing Hoku as a loved member of your family. Monica and I join you in sorrow. She will be missed. Kreigh P.S., to keep this on topic I must mention that the only rocks I found today, all leaverite -- I checked, came up in the auger from 60 some holes (each filled with 'cementite' to hold a footing) while I worked with a couple dozen volunteers for 11 hours to install all new playground equipment for our younger kids' school. I would rather have gone collecting with you at your local volcano -- I think it would have been cooler and more productive. Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > For those wishing to pass on "stories" there's more rockhound stuff in the > last paragraph below. > > I've noticed that a lot of rockhounds have dogs. Maybe its because dogs > love to go on trips, running around exploring, sniffing and digging. For > 13 years we've had two big dogs, named Hoku and Le'a. Those words > together---Hokule'a---is the name of the replica of ancient Polynesian > voyaging canoes that made an historic trip from Hawaii to Tahiti and back, > in 1976 as part of the bicentennial celebrations. The name means "Star of > Gladness" and refers to Arcturus, the main star used by ancient > navigators. Last Friday our Hoku began to show alarming signs of > illness. She had a cancerous lump removed a few months ago and the vet had > warned that it might have spread, but at her age we didn't want to put her > through many tests or more surgery. After taking her to the vet that > Friday, and getting bad news, we decided on Saturday that it was time to > help her on her way. We got the vet to send a technician to come to our > home and "put her to sleep" thus sparing her another Dreaded Trip To The > Vet, where she always trembled and panted and whined. Instead, she was > calm and lying on her bed, with Bill and me petting her, and saying: > "You're a good dog, Hoku," right through the end. It was quick and > peaceful for her, but extremely difficult for us! Bill dug a hole and we > buried her in the back yard with one of her favorite toys: a floppy, fuzzy > frizbee, folded up the way she liked to carefully prepare it with her mouth > and paws, and then walk around the room proudly with it stuffed in her > mouth going: "woo, woo, woo!" Kreigh and Monica Tomaszewski, and Henry > Barwood and his family have met Hoku, and they probably didn't notice her > much: a rather plain black shepherd-retriever mix, not a remarkable > dog. Our other dog, Le'a, a malamute-shepherd mix, looks like a wolf and > is much more memorable. To make a rockhound comparison, Le'a is like a > large display piece of amethyst crystals studded with fluorescent calcite > crystals: flashy and spectacular. Hoku is like a big lump of black lava > with a bit of iridescent coating: plain, and you have to look closely to > see anything interesting. Although she was unexceptional, I am haunted by > Hoku's death. Every hour there are reminders of her: If we dropped an ice > cube on the floor she would pounce on it and gobble it as if it were a > tasty treat. She had bits of white fur on her front paws, and a couple of > times in a dark room I'd reach down to pick up what I thought were two of > pieces of popcorn Bill must have dropped on the floor, only to hear Hoku's > tail thump as I touched her white toes. Whenever Bill got up from a chair, > Hoku would immediately go over and lie down right in front of the chair, as > if to save it for him; then when he came back, she'd quickly move aside to > let him sit, then jam her head between Bill and the chair arm, leaning hard > against his leg to gently demand a scratch on the head. Then just to be > fair, she'd come over to my chair and make the same request. > > So on Sunday we decided we had to get out of the house to flee the ghost > memories, so we went down to where the lava was going into the ocean to > find some pieces of iridescent stuff to send to Axel. (Yes, there are > plenty of places that are not within the National Park boundaries to > collect lava, and no, it's not bad luck to take lava from the islands---and > in any case, Axel can weild a cow at any curse from Pele [new members, > pardon the in-joke].) It was hot and very windy. The bright sun made it > easy to check for iridescence, but the wind was so strong it nearly knocked > us over as we balanced on the extremely uneven surface of the lava > flows...and to fall there would be very like falling on shards of > glass---actually I expect some of it IS glass. We found many pieces with > iridescence in many colors: blue, yellow, gold, green, pink, and some > mixtures. When the pieces are brought indoors, a bright (preferably > halogen) light is required to see them at their best. I'll leave it to > Axel to test them to see if the iridescence is only on the surface, or how > deep a layer it makes. The exercise, the sun and wind, the ocean spray, > and being around one of nature's most remarkable features, cleared our > heads and lifted our spirits. Life goes on. And so collecting iridescent > lava turned out to be good therapy for people missing an unremarkable black > dog with popcorn toes and a name that means "Star." > > Aloha, Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Rewhittemo at aol.com Sat Aug 14 21:08:57 2004 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 14 21:09:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nova Scotia Message-ID: <1cd.288cffcd.2e503bd9@aol.com> I will be vacationing in Nova Scotia next month. (1) Are there any good rock collecting localities that are not too hard to find and permission to collect is easily obtained? (2) Are there any good books on collecting in Nova Scotia? (3) Is there a book or Provincial geology map available; if so, from where? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Bob --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 14 22:11:41 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Aug 14 22:07:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> Oh oh, Steve, if we keep splitting hairs... opal isn't totally a proper mineral either, it's often classed as a mineraloid, because it is amorphous with no crystal structure (or, very little crystal structure). But it's always listed as a mineral, even in the "Glossary of Mineral Species", so I guess we'll be OK with your poem! And as for John and his sand, I think we're willing to take the broad view of a mineral being "anything that made of rock stuff and isn't an animal or vegetable". cheers, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Shimatzki" To: Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > Ah... John was on the right track, but to split hairs, sand is not a > mineral in and of itself... > > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:57:02 -0500 > >From: john > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book > > > >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:03, Lanny wrote: > > > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > > > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in your > > > opinion), > > > > > >Sand. Without sand there is no beach, no glass, no brownstone; no Grand > >Canyon, no pearl. Only clay, lime, and the swamp. > > > > > > > >john > > To Quothe the post... (EMPHASIS, MINE.) > > >For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > > favorite MINERAL, and why, in (25?) words or less?" > > Given that, I'd say Silica is my favorite mineral... This gives us Sand, > "beach, glass, brownstone...etc.." along > with my favorite derivative of Silica.. OPAL. and now, for the "WHY" > > ------- > > Opal my friend > Tough life you lead > > Play of color, delight > Both miner and wife. > > Danger and hardships > Payout and strife > > Cycle, fire will feed. > > ------ > > (I guess I could try and go on, but that is a max of 25 words... :) > > Cheers... > -Steve > > > > Stephen Shimatzki > sjs132@accesstoledo.com > http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 15 06:27:39 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 15 06:22:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com> <000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <001601c482cb$a4224da0$a9a3490c@pete> ... is what I've been doing this weekend, I'm afraid. (Thought I'd write this little message, as a companion to the line of Kreigh's note, about not finding any interesting rocks in the playground holes he augered, and rather being at the volcano.) This weekend was the "Contin-Tail" in Buena Vista, CO*, a very fun rock swap (tho actually, just about nobody really swaps anything, it's all priced and for sale, and lots of the people there just talk about it as "how did you do at the Show"), where many people camp out (dry camp, out on the B.V. rodeo grounds, but a great view of the Sawatch Range) for at least 3 days. Well, I hadn't made any serious plans to go there, and it's about a 2-hour drive from Denver, and I've had this overstuffed garage that has just been crying to be straightened out all summer (if not for the last several years), overflowing with unsorted rocks from all the last X field trips (more like the last X-cubed field trips), all forming a sort of glacier which has overridden and hidden all the other boxes with books, files, garden tools, etc. (hasn't been a car in there... ever), so, I nobly (?) decided to just stay home and work on the garage, I figured that I'd find lots more rocks there (exactly what to do with them is another matter) enough to stock 5 or 6 Contin-Tails. So, that's what I did most of yesterday, and probably today too. (It was a nice sunny weekend, so we just left a bunch of boxes and things just sitting out in the driveway & patio, waiting to be packed back in, in better order.) So let's see, I did find some good things "tucked away"--a bunch of small cigar boxes full of arrowhead flakes and chips that I got at a local rockhound's "estate rock sale" one year, a nice box of largish Calumet mine (CO) epidote crystals similarly aquired, ditto for large Apache tears, some interesting fluorescent minerals picked up here & there but all put away in odd spots, never findable individually unless you go through the whole business, a big specimen from New Mexico of calcite dogtooth-crystals coating with yellow carnotite, that friend gave me, an egg carton of limonite pseudo's after pyrite collected northwest of Dotsero, CO..., some fl. scheelite (mostly just small specks) in matrix, collected from prospects in the Owl Creek Mtns., WY--most of it will be relegated to our give-away rock room; ah, there's still more to sort through. I loaded up a carful of stuff, to haul to work and leave at our USGS giveaway room for teachers. [Well, in honesty, I'd still probably have had more fun at the rock swap, and I'm tempted to drive there today anyway, but there's all that stuff sitting in the driveway!] * which reminds me, I always see these posts online about a rock show or museum or whatever in "Buena Vista", and I always have to read close, and have learned to expect that there's a Buena Vista, California, and it's not ours. No one out here in the mid-continent boonies, of course, has otherwise ever heard of Buena Vista CA--San Francisco or L.A. or San Diego or Sacramento, that's about my limit of towns in CA. cheers to all, Pete Modreski From oldtymehippy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 06:34:26 2004 From: oldtymehippy at yahoo.com (Tina Drelleshak) Date: Sun Aug 15 06:34:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Hoku In-Reply-To: <200408150100.i7F10CgL011140@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20040815133426.70038.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> Kitty & Bill, What a GREAT TRIBUTE for a very memorable dog! My heart is with you... Always, Tina --- rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com wrote: > Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." > > > [Rockhounds-Digest] > > Today's Topics: > > 1. iridescent lava...as therapy (Kitty & Bill > Heacox) > 2. Re: iridescent lava...as therapy > (Docia1154@aol.com) > 3. Mineral locations in Southern France > (a.m.robbemond) > 4. Magnetite from Marocco (a.m.robbemond) > 5. Re: iridescent lava...as therapy (Axel > Emmermann) > 6. Re: iridescent lava...as therapy (Peter J. > Modreski) > 7. Re: Free book (Peter J. Modreski) > 8. RE: Magnetite from Marocco (Maurice de Graaf) > 9. Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 (Steve > Shimatzki) > 10. swap (Peggy Barnhill) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:15:43 -1000 > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: > <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > Hi List, > > For those wishing to pass on "stories" there's more > rockhound stuff in the > last paragraph below. > > I've noticed that a lot of rockhounds have dogs. > Maybe its because dogs > love to go on trips, running around exploring, > sniffing and digging. For > 13 years we've had two big dogs, named Hoku and > Le'a. Those words > together---Hokule'a---is the name of the replica of > ancient Polynesian > voyaging canoes that made an historic trip from > Hawaii to Tahiti and back, > in 1976 as part of the bicentennial celebrations. > The name means "Star of > Gladness" and refers to Arcturus, the main star used > by ancient > navigators. Last Friday our Hoku began to show > alarming signs of > illness. She had a cancerous lump removed a few > months ago and the vet had > warned that it might have spread, but at her age we > didn't want to put her > through many tests or more surgery. After taking > her to the vet that > Friday, and getting bad news, we decided on Saturday > that it was time to > help her on her way. We got the vet to send a > technician to come to our > home and "put her to sleep" thus sparing her another > Dreaded Trip To The > Vet, where she always trembled and panted and > whined. Instead, she was > calm and lying on her bed, with Bill and me petting > her, and saying: > "You're a good dog, Hoku," right through the end. > It was quick and > peaceful for her, but extremely difficult for us! > Bill dug a hole and we > buried her in the back yard with one of her favorite > toys: a floppy, fuzzy > frizbee, folded up the way she liked to carefully > prepare it with her mouth > and paws, and then walk around the room proudly with > it stuffed in her > mouth going: "woo, woo, woo!" Kreigh and Monica > Tomaszewski, and Henry > Barwood and his family have met Hoku, and they > probably didn't notice her > much: a rather plain black shepherd-retriever mix, > not a remarkable > dog. Our other dog, Le'a, a malamute-shepherd mix, > looks like a wolf and > is much more memorable. To make a rockhound > comparison, Le'a is like a > large display piece of amethyst crystals studded > with fluorescent calcite > crystals: flashy and spectacular. Hoku is like a > big lump of black lava > with a bit of iridescent coating: plain, and you > have to look closely to > see anything interesting. Although she was > unexceptional, I am haunted by > Hoku's death. Every hour there are reminders of > her: If we dropped an ice > cube on the floor she would pounce on it and gobble > it as if it were a > tasty treat. She had bits of white fur on her front > paws, and a couple of > times in a dark room I'd reach down to pick up what > I thought were two of > pieces of popcorn Bill must have dropped on the > floor, only to hear Hoku's > tail thump as I touched her white toes. Whenever > Bill got up from a chair, > Hoku would immediately go over and lie down right in > front of the chair, as > if to save it for him; then when he came back, > she'd quickly move aside to > let him sit, then jam her head between Bill and the > chair arm, leaning hard > against his leg to gently demand a scratch on the > head. Then just to be > fair, she'd come over to my chair and make the same > request. > > So on Sunday we decided we had to get out of the > house to flee the ghost > memories, so we went down to where the lava was > going into the ocean to > find some pieces of iridescent stuff to send to > Axel. (Yes, there are > plenty of places that are not within the National > Park boundaries to > collect lava, and no, it's not bad luck to take lava > from the islands---and > in any case, Axel can weild a cow at any curse from > Pele [new members, > pardon the in-joke].) It was hot and very windy. > The bright sun made it > easy to check for iridescence, but the wind was so > strong it nearly knocked > us over as we balanced on the extremely uneven > surface of the lava > flows...and to fall there would be very like falling > on shards of > glass---actually I expect some of it IS glass. We > found many pieces with > iridescence in many colors: blue, yellow, gold, > green, pink, and some > mixtures. When the pieces are brought indoors, a > bright (preferably > halogen) light is required to see them at their > best. I'll leave it to > Axel to test them to see if the iridescence is only > on the surface, or how > deep a layer it makes. The exercise, the sun and > wind, the ocean spray, > and being around one of nature's most remarkable > features, cleared our > heads and lifted our spirits. Life goes on. And so > collecting iridescent > lava turned out to be good therapy for people > missing an unremarkable black > dog with popcorn toes and a name that means "Star." > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:03:27 EDT > From: Docia1154@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as > therapy > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > what a beautifully written tribute to a wonderful > member === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Aug 15 06:54:14 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Aug 15 06:54:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com> <000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <003c01c482cf$595880b0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Hi Pete, I checked in my mineral database from Materials Data. Darn fine thing to have on your PC ;-))) Opal has the IMA status: G (which stands for "Grandfather") This status is "reserved for minerals that were introduced before the formation of the CNMMN and not yet approved by it but generally approved by the mineralogical community". (Ernest H. Nickel and Monte C. Nichols, MaterialsData Manual, 2003). Therefore, in the stricktest sense, opal is a mineral until discredited. Futhermore I picked up on one of our society's ever so interesting monthly speeches that opal is not amorphous but cryptocrystalline. It's made up of little spheres with water between them and those spheres are not completely without structure... Opal seems to be subdivided in three groups: opal-A, opal-C and opal-T. In opal-A, the spheres are amorphous. In opal-C they have a cristobalite structure and in opal-T a tridymite structure. As a result, the hardness varies between 5.5 and 6.5. (Jones & Segnit 1971). .... I think (gringrin) Cheers to all the on-line hairsplitters Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > Oh oh, Steve, if we keep splitting hairs... opal isn't totally a proper > mineral either, it's often classed as a mineraloid, because it is amorphous > with no crystal structure (or, very little crystal structure). But it's > always listed as a mineral, even in the "Glossary of Mineral Species", so I > guess we'll be OK with your poem! > > And as for John and his sand, I think we're willing to take the broad view > of a mineral being "anything that made of rock stuff and isn't an animal or > vegetable". > > cheers, Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Shimatzki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:13 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > > Ah... John was on the right track, but to split hairs, sand is not a > > mineral in and of itself... > > > > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:57:02 -0500 > > >From: john > > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book > > > > > >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:03, Lanny wrote: > > > > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > > > > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in > your > > > > opinion), > > > > > > > > >Sand. Without sand there is no beach, no glass, no brownstone; no Grand > > >Canyon, no pearl. Only clay, lime, and the swamp. > > > > > > > > > > > >john > > > > To Quothe the post... (EMPHASIS, MINE.) > > > > >For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > > > favorite MINERAL, and why, in (25?) words or less?" > > > > Given that, I'd say Silica is my favorite mineral... This gives us Sand, > > "beach, glass, brownstone...etc.." along > > with my favorite derivative of Silica.. OPAL. and now, for the "WHY" > > > > ------- > > > > Opal my friend > > Tough life you lead > > > > Play of color, delight > > Both miner and wife. > > > > Danger and hardships > > Payout and strife > > > > Cycle, fire will feed. > > > > ------ > > > > (I guess I could try and go on, but that is a max of 25 words... :) > > > > Cheers... > > -Steve > > > > > > > > Stephen Shimatzki > > sjs132@accesstoledo.com > > http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From tjokela at execulink.com Sun Aug 15 07:46:49 2004 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sun Aug 15 07:46:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nova Scotia References: <1cd.288cffcd.2e503bd9@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c482d6$b1f98af0$6401a8c0@Junior> Answers to all your questions can be found here: http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen/mainrock.html Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Nova Scotia > I will be vacationing in Nova Scotia next month. > > (1) Are there any good rock collecting localities that are not too hard to > find and permission to collect is easily obtained? > > (2) Are there any good books on collecting in Nova Scotia? > > (3) Is there a book or Provincial geology map available; if so, from where? > > Any information will be greatly appreciated. > > Bob > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From CornDogs at Charter.net Sun Aug 15 08:09:53 2004 From: CornDogs at Charter.net (CornDogs) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:09:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Using Emeralds, Rubies and Sapphires as "Fish Gravel" Message-ID: <1b3a01c482d9$ebefc550$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> HI THERE!! I spoke to someone about using the rubies, emeralds and sapphires I have as Fishtank Gravel. Because they are actual MINERALS, I wasn't sure if it would leach out anything that would be toxic to the fish. Of course, they have been cleaned repeatedly and are totally free of any extraneous dirt, etc. There may be matrix, of course. But anything loose enough to come off with repeated washings with brushes in soapy water and lemon juice/salt mixture. Would be very interested to hear what you all might have to say about this :-) Brenda Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan Assisting Boston Terriers Kearney, NE CornDogs@Charter.net Dedicated to helping rescue abused, neglected and abandoned Boston Terriers To the World, you are just a Person; To a Rescue Dog, YOU are the World! Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. ~Author Unknown --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 08:40:40 2004 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:40:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Using Emeralds, Rubies and Sapphires as "Fish Gravel" In-Reply-To: <1b3a01c482d9$ebefc550$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> Message-ID: <20040815154040.92382.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> shoudn't be a problem corundum and beryl are very stable under wet conditions or we wouldn't be able to locate them in revier gravel. I do not see any problem most leech produts that cause harm is heavy metals or sulphur and those minerals do not have any of those metals in even low quantieties only minute amounts. I just want to know how you got that many gemstones to make fish tank gravel. --- CornDogs wrote: > HI THERE!! > > I spoke to someone about using the rubies, emeralds > and sapphires I have as Fishtank Gravel. > > Because they are actual MINERALS, I wasn't sure if > it would leach out anything that would be toxic to > the fish. > > Of course, they have been cleaned repeatedly and are > totally free of any extraneous dirt, etc. There may > be matrix, of course. But anything loose enough to > come off with repeated washings with brushes in > soapy water and lemon juice/salt mixture. > > Would be very interested to hear what you all might > have to say about this :-) > Brenda > Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan > > Assisting Boston Terriers > > Kearney, NE > > CornDogs@Charter.net > > Dedicated to helping rescue abused, neglected and > abandoned Boston Terriers > > To the World, you are just a Person; To a Rescue > Dog, YOU are the World! > > Be more concerned with your character than your > reputation, because your character is what you > really are, while your reputation is merely what > others think you are. ~Author Unknown > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From lanny at lrream.com Sun Aug 15 09:40:07 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Aug 15 09:39:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com> <000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> Message-ID: Hi Pete, I was siding with John. When I chose "favorite mineral" as the topic it seemed very clear and obvious to me, a mineral, not "anything mineral-related." However, considering you are the one who suggested the topic, and it was your suggestion message that I quoted for this contest, sand is accepted and will stay in the contest. Now that contest time is over, it is time for everyone to vote. I was going to have everyone send me their vote, so as not to clutter the list with messages of that type, or would everyone prefer that they were sent to the list? Regards, Lanny On Aug 14, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Oh oh, Steve, if we keep splitting hairs... opal isn't totally a proper > mineral either, it's often classed as a mineraloid, because it is > amorphous > with no crystal structure (or, very little crystal structure). But > it's > always listed as a mineral, even in the "Glossary of Mineral Species", > so I > guess we'll be OK with your poem! > > And as for John and his sand, I think we're willing to take the broad > view > of a mineral being "anything that made of rock stuff and isn't an > animal or > vegetable". > > cheers, Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Shimatzki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:13 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > >> Ah... John was on the right track, but to split hairs, sand is not a >> mineral in and of itself... >> >>> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:57:02 -0500 >>> From: john >>> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book >>> >>> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:03, Lanny wrote: >>>> Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much >>>> work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in > your >>>> opinion), >>> >>> >>> Sand. Without sand there is no beach, no glass, no brownstone; no >>> Grand >>> Canyon, no pearl. Only clay, lime, and the swamp. >>> >>> >>> >>> john >> >> To Quothe the post... (EMPHASIS, MINE.) >> >>> For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My >>> favorite MINERAL, and why, in (25?) words or less?" >> >> Given that, I'd say Silica is my favorite mineral... This gives us >> Sand, >> "beach, glass, brownstone...etc.." along >> with my favorite derivative of Silica.. OPAL. and now, for the >> "WHY" >> >> ------- >> >> Opal my friend >> Tough life you lead >> >> Play of color, delight >> Both miner and wife. >> >> Danger and hardships >> Payout and strife >> >> Cycle, fire will feed. >> >> ------ >> >> (I guess I could try and go on, but that is a max of 25 words... :) >> >> Cheers... >> -Steve >> >> >> >> Stephen Shimatzki >> sjs132@accesstoledo.com >> http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Ted at crystalgems.com Sun Aug 15 10:25:56 2004 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Sun Aug 15 10:26:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] swap In-Reply-To: <56175A7A-EE54-11D8-85C4-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <004901c482ec$f06f3850$0200a8c0@gametime> Another possibility could be the "EFMLS Region IV Swap % Picnic" swap meet held at Lake Anna about an hour south of DC and hosted by the Richmond Gem and Mineral Society. The last one was held Saturday, June 12 Lake Anna State Park, Shelter #1 Next one will be next June. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Barnhill Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:45 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com : A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] swap to list members does anyone on list have info on a flea market type swap in Washington, DC? a friend remembers going and buying mineral specimans, but doesn't remember location. thanks for any info jane _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sun Aug 15 11:50:29 2004 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Sun Aug 15 11:49:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <1cd.288cffcd.2e503bd9@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Many good locations. Check Ronnie Van Dommelen's web site http://is2.dal.ca/~dommelen/ If you are in NS this coming weekend the annual Nova Scotia Mineral and Gem show is on, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, (Aug 20, 21, 22) at the Lions Arena in Parrsboro on the Bay of Fundy. It's the annual gathering of the mineral-gem-fossil clan for the whole Atlantic Canada region. Also get a copy of the "Geological Highways Map of Nova Scotia." It's very good, very comprehensive, very understandable. You should be able to get these from the tourist information bureaus at the main entry points into Nova Scotia. Might be worthwhile calling the Nova Scotia tourism dept's toll free number to make sure - 1 800 424 5000. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, New Brunswick On Sunday, August 15, 2004, at 01:08 AM, Rewhittemo@aol.com wrote: > I will be vacationing in Nova Scotia next month. > > (1) Are there any good rock collecting localities that are not too > hard to > find and permission to collect is easily obtained? > > (2) Are there any good books on collecting in Nova Scotia? > > (3) Is there a book or Provincial geology map available; if so, from > where? > > Any information will be greatly appreciated. > > Bob > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 15 11:56:44 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 15 11:52:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] book contest References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <003101c482f9$9dec6780$a9a3490c@pete> Ah, Lanny, I was just being tongue-in-cheek when I typed that answer... I'm sure even John who wrote that would acknowledge that sand "ain't really a mineral". Whichever! Pete From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Aug 15 09:07:29 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Aug 15 11:55:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral References: <12b.48b4832d.2e4e0d9b@aol.com> <569568A0-ED56-11D8-9B26-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> Message-ID: <000301c482f9$5bd6fc20$363e27c4@privatehome> Yes, pietersite is the "volcanic tiger eye" found near Outjo in Namibia. It comes in colours of blue and yellow and takes a very good polish. In comparison with "ordinary" tiger's eye., it is about 40 times more expensive over here (if you can get it). Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Gaber" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral > pietersite??? > > On Aug 13, 2004, at 8:27 AM, BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: > > > Hello, > > On the feldspar group, don't leave out Narvikite and Pietersite. > > Dave > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From kahako at aloha.net Sun Aug 15 12:31:34 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:04:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canine Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <20040815133426.70038.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200408150100.i7F10CgL011140@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <20040815133426.70038.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040815090436.02ea2aa0@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, A heartfelt thank you to all of you who responded to our grief over the death of Hoku. I forgot to relate one aspect of her that might lead to another slightly off-topic thread: Dogs who contribute to the rockhound experience. Hoku was fascinated with our hobby, even though she didn't get to go collecting with us. (There's not much collecting in Hawaii, and what there is would be really hard on dog paws.) When we came back from trips to the mainland or foreign countries and unpacked mineral treasures, she would sniff them with enormous interest. It was as if she were "reading" them..."Broken Hill! Bancroft! Franklin! Cornwall!" And frequently as we would unload the car after returning from our travels she would carefully peruse the driveway to find what she thought was a neat little rock to pick up in her mouth, and then parade around going "Woo, woo, woo," as if to celebrate out return. One time she was doing that and I said, "Yes, Hoku, you've got a rock. Good dog. Now hush." She continued even louder, and again I acknowledged her, "What a nice rock. Now that's enough." But she seemed rather insistent: "Wooo, WOO, WOOO!!!" So I stopped my unloading and put my hand out: "OK, show me your rock. Drop it!" and she spit out her prize into my hand. It was not a rock, but a film canister that had fallen out of our camera bag, with undeveloped pictures from our trip! Anybody else have a rockhound that is really a hound? Aloha, Kitty From dwest122 at comcast.net Sun Aug 15 13:10:00 2004 From: dwest122 at comcast.net (Dave West) Date: Sun Aug 15 13:10:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy References: <96.12421108.2e4e6452@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <008601c48303$d835c6c0$d50a3c44@westp1nnb5h9zg> Kitty, Thanks for reminding us of the power of dedication and love that our pets show to us. Too bad we can't be more like them. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:15 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy > Hi List, ........I've noticed that a lot of rockhounds have dogs. Maybe its because dogs > love to go on trips, running around exploring, sniffing and digging. For > 13 years we've had two big dogs, named Hoku and Le'a. Those words > together---Hokule'a---is the name of the replica of ancient Polynesian > voyaging canoes that made an historic trip from Hawaii to Tahiti and back, > in 1976 as part of the bicentennial celebrations. The name means "Star of > Gladness" and refers to Arcturus, the main star used by ancient > navigators. Last Friday our Hoku began to show alarming signs of > illness........ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 15 14:55:34 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 15 14:46:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] book contest References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> <003101c482f9$9dec6780$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <411FD9BD.4F34@Tomaszewski.net> Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Ah, Lanny, I was just being tongue-in-cheek when I typed that answer... I'm > sure even John who wrote that would acknowledge that sand "ain't really a > mineral". Whichever! > > Pete > Schumann puts sand into the Psammite Family of Rocks, along with placer deposits, sandstone, quartzite, greywacke, and arkose. Like most rocks, sand is usually composed of a variety of minerals. Kreigh From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 15 15:15:47 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 15 15:11:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] book contest References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> <003101c482f9$9dec6780$a9a3490c@pete> <411FD9BD.4F34@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005201c48315$6ba761a0$a9a3490c@pete> And "psammite" is... kind of a $50 geologic word that means... basically, sandstone. Pete From bova at mindspring.com Sun Aug 15 13:27:45 2004 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol Bova) Date: Sun Aug 15 15:23:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] iridescent lava...as therapy In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040813165347.02ef3ce0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <9119DD49-EEF9-11D8-9BAB-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Your "Star" will always shine in your memory.. thank you for sharing her story with us. Carol On Friday, August 13, 2004, at 11:15 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi List, From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 15 16:16:46 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 15 16:07:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] book contest References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> <003101c482f9$9dec6780$a9a3490c@pete> <411FD9BD.4F34@Tomaszewski.net> <005201c48315$6ba761a0$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <411FECBA.1EF3@Tomaszewski.net> Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > And "psammite" is... kind of a $50 geologic word that means... basically, > sandstone. > > Pete OK, I'll take Hair Splitting for $100. Pelite Family. What happens to Fluviatile? Hmmmm! I wonder if spelling bee success would be a good predictor of which kids become geologists? So many expensive words in geology. BTW, geology terms often make good 'Scrabble' words. Kreigh From kjvgorock at juno.com Sun Aug 15 16:54:07 2004 From: kjvgorock at juno.com (kjvgorock@juno.com) Date: Sun Aug 15 16:55:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Hi List, Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback on. The fading of mineral colors due to light or sunlight. Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several fears that certain geodes will fade & have seen their owners put aluminum foil over them or keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is suggested to fade. 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to fade. 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will fade. 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana geodes will fade. Are any or all of these true? I just cracked through a geode filled with pink dolomite that I plan to experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half in a sunny window & the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare them after a few weeks. I'll report back on my findings. Thanks, Ken Vaisvil kjvgorock@juno.com ebay id: kv_goodrocks ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Sun Aug 15 17:47:14 2004 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Sun Aug 15 17:42:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Favorite Mineral Message-ID: <002801c4832a$930945a0$1779a118@feldsparflash> Thanks Dave, You prompted me to send more feldspars as I forgot in my first list an important plagioclase... andesine!! Larvikite another name for labradorite as is spectrolite. Additional names - moonstone describes the effect of light determined by internal structure and the aventurine feldspar sunstone where the color is determined by inclusions, usually hematite, Oregon rockhounds declare copper is the inclusion in their sunstone.You can see why feldspar is so interesting as it is a group that has such diversity . I am looking for other feldspar nuts to learn more! As for pietersite, a beautify, I believe it is a metamorphic rock .....maybe it contains feldspar. Now........ Oh more feldspars, banalsite, buddingtonite, dmisteinbergite, paracelsian, reedmergnerite, stronalsite, svyatoslavite...you so rare... you so ugly... but I am looking for you! sunstone Carolyn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From MCGINNISG at aol.com Sun Aug 15 18:18:44 2004 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 15 18:18:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stinkwater Fossil Coral Message-ID: <29.5eeeae00.2e516574@aol.com> I just returned from the Seaside Oregon Rock show where I purchased a beautiful piece blue Agatized Fossil Coral. The dealer claimed it is found about 10 miles from Stinkwater, Oregon, but was not sure exactly where. Can anyone furnish more information about the location. Thank you T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From MCGINNISG at aol.com Sun Aug 15 21:12:17 2004 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 15 21:12:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More on the Fossil Coral near Stinkwater??? Message-ID: <92.1250082d.2e518e21@aol.com> This specimen was unlike anything I had seen before. It has a beautiful blue druse across its crystalline structure. It really does not look like "Sea Coral." To me it looks more like a stalactite in structure. I know thay're finding some beautiful and very delicate Angel Wing in somewhere in Central Oregon. What I have seen it is white or green or dark red-brown. It is very very delicate and damages very easily. This supposed coral specimen is not quite as delicate or fragile but does appear to be some sort of chalcedony with a beautiful light blue druze on an open cellular structure. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 15 22:08:33 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 15 22:03:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Using Emeralds, Rubies and Sapphires as "Fish Gravel" References: <20040815154040.92382.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009201c4834f$1550fa20$a9a3490c@pete> I'll second that, those gem minerals are very stable and insoluble, should be perfectly fine as aquarium gravel--in fact, much more inert than anything else that is commonly used as gravel in tanks! Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Stover" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Using Emeralds, Rubies and Sapphires as "Fish Gravel" > shoudn't be a problem corundum and beryl are very > stable under wet conditions or we wouldn't be able to > locate them in revier gravel. I do not see any > problem most leech produts that cause harm is heavy > metals or sulphur and those minerals do not have any > of those metals in even low quantieties only minute > amounts. > > I just want to know how you got that many gemstones to > make fish tank gravel. > > > > --- CornDogs wrote: > > > HI THERE!! > > > > I spoke to someone about using the rubies, emeralds > > and sapphires I have as Fishtank Gravel. > > > > Because they are actual MINERALS, I wasn't sure if > > it would leach out anything that would be toxic to > > the fish. > > > > Of course, they have been cleaned repeatedly and are > > totally free of any extraneous dirt, etc. There may > > be matrix, of course. But anything loose enough to > > come off with repeated washings with brushes in > > soapy water and lemon juice/salt mixture. > > > > Would be very interested to hear what you all might > > have to say about this :-) > > Brenda > > Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan > > > > Assisting Boston Terriers > > > > Kearney, NE > > > > CornDogs@Charter.net > > > > Dedicated to helping rescue abused, neglected and > > abandoned Boston Terriers > > > > To the World, you are just a Person; To a Rescue > > Dog, YOU are the World! > > > > Be more concerned with your character than your > > reputation, because your character is what you > > really are, while your reputation is merely what > > others think you are. ~Author Unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > ===== > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 15 22:15:26 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 15 22:10:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <00b001c48350$10f17b20$a9a3490c@pete> Ken, I think it's very good that you're doing a controlled test on at least one of those minerals. I don't have any person knowledge about how any of those behave, and I know one often seems to read contradictory reports about that sort of thing. I've heard that some amethyst (probably, I think, pale amethyst especially) does fade, but that other, especially deeply-colored amethyst (such as the classic Thunder Bay, Ontario amethyst) does not. But it's hard to find any first-hand observations on any of these. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > Hi List, > > Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback on. The fading of > mineral colors due to light or sunlight. > > Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several fears that certain > geodes will fade & have seen their owners put aluminum foil over them or > keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. > > 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is suggested to fade. > 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to fade. > 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will fade. > 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana geodes will fade. > > Are any or all of these true? > I just cracked through a geode filled with pink dolomite that I plan to > experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half in a sunny window & > the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare them after a few > weeks. > I'll report back on my findings. > > Thanks, > Ken Vaisvil > kjvgorock@juno.com > ebay id: kv_goodrocks > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 15 22:30:07 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 15 22:25:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] about, what is opal References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> <003c01c482cf$595880b0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <00b101c48352$1a75c820$a9a3490c@pete> Hi, Axel, I wanted to get back with one more comment about opal. Yes, opal is interesting stuff. Because opal, as you point out, does have a partial crystallinity--of several different variations--it would qualify as a mineral, but probably not as a separate mineral; I think if described now, the Opal-C type would be considered a poorly crystalline variety of cristobalite, etc. (By the way, I'm not sure--perhaps someone has studied this, but don't remember if I've read it--which of these three type, opal-A, C, T--the true "precious" opal with fire, commonly is--or whether it can be any of these. I think opal has gotten special treatment simply because it is so common (as regards the non-precious variety), as well as being beautiful and valuable. Another amorphous mineral--and this one, we class definitely as a mineraloid, and not a mineral species--is limonite. I think both limonite and opal are commonly known as amorphous (or near amorphous) mineral materials, because those two chemical substances are so common, in so many kinds of rocks and environments. Probably, most other minerals may also at times occur in mostly or completely amorphous form, but if the mineral is a relatively uncommon one--say, oh, for example perhaps, hemimorphite, smithsonite, anglesite, almost anything else--if it's fairly uncommon, then the amorphous form may well occur also now and then, but being uncommon (and being noncrystalline, so probably not looking like much of anything), it will much more likely go on being ignored, if and when it does occur. Since SiO2 or limonite is probably hundreds (thousands?) of time more abundant than those other minerals I mentioned, they are just so much more likely to not infrequently be found in an amorphous state, when they've formed at low temperatures where crystal growth is slow. Such minerals--those that do occur as amorphous forms--are probably also going to be those (as well as having to be fairly common, to be recognized), that commonly form at low temperatures (where noncrystalline material is more likely to form), and to be minerals whose deposition and growth does take place under quite low-temperature conditions; because, minerals that normally form at high temperatures, are probably much more likely to be able to grow into their stable, crystalline arrangments. Thus, I'd be rather surprised to find the amorphous equivalents of muscovite, or microcline, or garnet, say. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > Hi Pete, > > I checked in my mineral database from Materials Data. Darn fine thing to > have on your PC ;-))) > Opal has the IMA status: G (which stands for "Grandfather") > This status is "reserved for minerals that were introduced before the > formation of the CNMMN and not yet approved by it but generally approved by > the mineralogical community". (Ernest H. Nickel and Monte C. Nichols, > MaterialsData Manual, 2003). > > Therefore, in the stricktest sense, opal is a mineral until discredited. > Futhermore I picked up on one of our society's ever so interesting monthly > speeches that opal is not amorphous but cryptocrystalline. It's made up of > little spheres with water between them and those spheres are not completely > without structure... Opal seems to be subdivided in three groups: opal-A, > opal-C and opal-T. > In opal-A, the spheres are amorphous. In opal-C they have a cristobalite > structure and in opal-T a tridymite structure. As a result, the hardness > varies between 5.5 and 6.5. (Jones & Segnit 1971). > > .... I think (gringrin) > > Cheers to all the on-line hairsplitters > > Axel > From jabac at hal-pc.org Mon Aug 16 00:19:06 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Mon Aug 16 00:12:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] book contest In-Reply-To: <003101c482f9$9dec6780$a9a3490c@pete> References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com> <000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> <003101c482f9$9dec6780$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <1092640746.2746.18.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 13:56, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Ah, Lanny, I was just being tongue-in-cheek when I typed that answer... I'm > sure even John who wrote that would acknowledge that sand "ain't really a > mineral". Whichever! > > Pete Yes, sand is a mixture composed primarily of SiO2. I suppose the Garnet Group and Tourmaline Group and Feldspar Group are also mixtures to a degree, and that by natural design rather than physical move-around processes. Not to mention the Amphiboles. Even gold is usually not 24k, and Galena often contains silver. The term "mineral" turns out to be surprisingly vague as far as precision goes. One can determine what it is that one has in hand as a specimen, but it may or may not tell us much about the next specimen. One of the definitions I like is "the components of rocks". john From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Mon Aug 16 06:04:24 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon Aug 16 06:56:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] about, what is opal References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete><003c01c482cf$595880b0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <00b101c48352$1a75c820$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <000301c48398$cfc37f60$2a3e27c4@privatehome> Hi Pete, Where would you classify "limonite, pseudomortrph after pyrite"? I have some beautiful crystals of this "mineral". Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] about, what is opal > Hi, Axel, > > I wanted to get back with one more comment about opal. Yes, opal is > interesting stuff. Because opal, as you point out, does have a partial > crystallinity--of several different variations--it would qualify as a > mineral, but probably not as a separate mineral; I think if described now, > the Opal-C type would be considered a poorly crystalline variety of > cristobalite, etc. (By the way, I'm not sure--perhaps someone has studied > this, but don't remember if I've read it--which of these three type, opal-A, > C, T--the true "precious" opal with fire, commonly is--or whether it can be > any of these. > > I think opal has gotten special treatment simply because it is so common (as > regards the non-precious variety), as well as being beautiful and valuable. > Another amorphous mineral--and this one, we class definitely as a > mineraloid, and not a mineral species--is limonite. I think both limonite > and opal are commonly known as amorphous (or near amorphous) mineral > materials, because those two chemical substances are so common, in so many > kinds of rocks and environments. > > Probably, most other minerals may also at times occur in mostly or > completely amorphous form, but if the mineral is a relatively uncommon > one--say, oh, for example perhaps, hemimorphite, smithsonite, anglesite, > almost anything else--if it's fairly uncommon, then the amorphous form may > well occur also now and then, but being uncommon (and being noncrystalline, > so probably not looking like much of anything), it will much more likely go > on being ignored, if and when it does occur. Since SiO2 or limonite is > probably hundreds (thousands?) of time more abundant than those other > minerals I mentioned, they are just so much more likely to not infrequently > be found in an amorphous state, when they've formed at low temperatures > where crystal growth is slow. > > Such minerals--those that do occur as amorphous forms--are probably also > going to be those (as well as having to be fairly common, to be recognized), > that commonly form at low temperatures (where noncrystalline material is > more likely to form), and to be minerals whose deposition and growth does > take place under quite low-temperature conditions; because, minerals that > normally form at high temperatures, are probably much more likely to be able > to grow into their stable, crystalline arrangments. Thus, I'd be rather > surprised to find the amorphous equivalents of muscovite, or microcline, or > garnet, say. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > I checked in my mineral database from Materials Data. Darn fine thing to > > have on your PC ;-))) > > Opal has the IMA status: G (which stands for "Grandfather") > > This status is "reserved for minerals that were introduced before the > > formation of the CNMMN and not yet approved by it but generally approved > by > > the mineralogical community". (Ernest H. Nickel and Monte C. Nichols, > > MaterialsData Manual, 2003). > > > > Therefore, in the stricktest sense, opal is a mineral until discredited. > > Futhermore I picked up on one of our society's ever so interesting monthly > > speeches that opal is not amorphous but cryptocrystalline. It's made up of > > little spheres with water between them and those spheres are not > completely > > without structure... Opal seems to be subdivided in three groups: opal-A, > > opal-C and opal-T. > > In opal-A, the spheres are amorphous. In opal-C they have a cristobalite > > structure and in opal-T a tridymite structure. As a result, the hardness > > varies between 5.5 and 6.5. (Jones & Segnit 1971). > > > > .... I think (gringrin) > > > > Cheers to all the on-line hairsplitters > > > > Axel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Mon Aug 16 07:29:47 2004 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Mon Aug 16 07:30:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> <00b001c48350$10f17b20$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <000c01c4839d$7bf9a940$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Hi Pete. Rock Currier broke a piece of Brazilian amethyst apart and put one half on a window shelf and one in a dark drawer and after 6 months, he reunited the two pieces. One was sun bleached and very very pale, one was dark and vibrantly purple. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > Ken, > > I think it's very good that you're doing a controlled test on at least one > of those minerals. I don't have any person knowledge about how any of those > behave, and I know one often seems to read contradictory reports about that > sort of thing. > > I've heard that some amethyst (probably, I think, pale amethyst especially) > does fade, but that other, especially deeply-colored amethyst (such as the > classic Thunder Bay, Ontario amethyst) does not. But it's hard to find any > first-hand observations on any of these. > > Pete Modreski > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > > > > Hi List, > > > > Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback on. The fading of > > mineral colors due to light or sunlight. > > > > Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several fears that certain > > geodes will fade & have seen their owners put aluminum foil over them or > > keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. > > > > 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is suggested to fade. > > 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to fade. > > 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will fade. > > 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana geodes will fade. > > > > Are any or all of these true? > > I just cracked through a geode filled with pink dolomite that I plan to > > experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half in a sunny window & > > the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare them after a few > > weeks. > > I'll report back on my findings. > > > > Thanks, > > Ken Vaisvil > > kjvgorock@juno.com > > ebay id: kv_goodrocks > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From nmartin at bbn.com Mon Aug 16 07:44:48 2004 From: nmartin at bbn.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Mon Aug 16 07:44:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <000c01c4839d$7bf9a940$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> <00b001c48350$10f17b20$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040816103901.01e329a0@po2.bbn.com> I have had the personal experience of cleaning some self collected fluorite from the Felix Mine area in Azusa, CA - which started out a light apple green but turned clear when I left it out in the California sun to dry. I have concluded that this is why so much of what I collected there was colorless. I was digging in a hillside overlooking the nursery and suspect that most of what I found had been exposed to sunlight at some time or another. There is nice green fluorite from that area but if you collect some, I recommend not exposing it to the sun! Nate Martin Lexington, MA From libawc at emory.edu Mon Aug 16 07:54:58 2004 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon Aug 16 07:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <001701c483a1$0049daf0$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> My sister bought an expensive amethyst cathedral and placed it outside on a wall above her pool. The purple has faded to an almost unrecognizable hue of once-was-purple. For those worrying about fading, you could learn from this story: My friend Kim (a guy) has family in a rural part of Alabama. They don't know the first thing about rocks; only that Kim likes them. He used to give geodes as presents to his kin until he realized what they were doing with them: they would smile politely and place the geode half face down on the table. When Kim asked them why they didn't display them "pretty side up" they said "This keeps 'em from rolling off the table." You have to admire that logic. Anyway, if you store a geode "pretty side down", you won't have to worry about fading! Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of kjvgorock@juno.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:54 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Hi List, Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback on. The fading of mineral colors due to light or sunlight. Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several fears that certain geodes will fade & have seen their owners put aluminum foil over them or keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is suggested to fade. 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to fade. 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will fade. 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana geodes will fade. Are any or all of these true? I just cracked through a geode filled with pink dolomite that I plan to experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half in a sunny window & the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare them after a few weeks. I'll report back on my findings. Thanks, Ken Vaisvil kjvgorock@juno.com ebay id: kv_goodrocks ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From adara at avalonsong.com Mon Aug 16 07:36:45 2004 From: adara at avalonsong.com (Adara Bryn) Date: Mon Aug 16 07:56:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <000c01c4839d$7bf9a940$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> <00b001c48350$10f17b20$a9a3490c@pete> <000c01c4839d$7bf9a940$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040816103154.01b90d10@avalonsong.com> At 10:29 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >Rock Currier broke a piece of Brazilian amethyst apart and put one half on a >window shelf and one in a dark drawer and after 6 months, he reunited the >two pieces. One was sun bleached and very very pale, one was dark and >vibrantly purple. > >Van Hi all! I'm new to this list, and while I've always loved rocks and gemstones, I'm very much a newbie to the more scientific aspects of them. It really has been fascinating listening to those of you who are more knowledgeable on the subject. :) I read the email above, and the one preceding it, with interest and wanted to comment that I had an amethyst in a decorative water fountain but removed it after a time as I'd noticed the color had faded significantly. Is it best to keep amethyst out of sunlight and water? Best wishes, Adara The sky and its stars make music in you. ~Denderah Temple wall inscription, Egypt From CornDogs at Charter.net Mon Aug 16 07:59:09 2004 From: CornDogs at Charter.net (CornDogs) Date: Mon Aug 16 07:59:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com><00b001c48350$10f17b20$a9a3490c@pete> <5.2.0.9.2.20040816103901.01e329a0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <009301c483a1$961ad250$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> I just want to add that there are alot more minerals that can fade in the sunlight. When I started doing my collecting, I lived in California. I unfortunately learned the hard way, too. I lived in a place with tons of long windows - thus, long window sills, right?? I thought it was so cool to put my collection in the window sills to display them...and since I was using them for their metaphysical properties, I thought they were being contstantly 'cleansed' by the sunshine. However, the sunlight not only 'cleansed' them, it faded a good portion of them :-( Here is a list of minerals I had that I can remember fading. I have actually passed this information along to a few stores I have been in since then....telling them to take their items out of the windows or else they would end up with the same issues I did - they have been very thankful!! Rose Quartz - BIG TIME!!! Amethyst - dark and light colors faded Fluorite - purples, blues, greens (I would assume all colors, but those are the colors I had!) Citrine Celestite Aquamarine Emerald I am sure there are others, but these are the ones that I PERSONALLY have experienced major fading from sunlight. And like this email below says....it can happen in hours!!! Hope this helps!! Brenda Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan Assisting Boston Terriers Kearney, NE CornDogs@Charter.net Dedicated to helping rescue abused, neglected and abandoned Boston Terriers To the World, you are just a Person; To a Rescue Dog, YOU are the World! Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. ~Author Unknown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Martin II" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals I have had the personal experience of cleaning some self collected fluorite from the Felix Mine area in Azusa, CA - which started out a light apple green but turned clear when I left it out in the California sun to dry. I have concluded that this is why so much of what I collected there was colorless. I was digging in a hillside overlooking the nursery and suspect that most of what I found had been exposed to sunlight at some time or another. There is nice green fluorite from that area but if you collect some, I recommend not exposing it to the sun! Nate Martin Lexington, MA _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From shm at tapnet.net Mon Aug 16 08:58:47 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Mon Aug 16 08:59:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <009301c483a1$961ad250$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> Message-ID: <003c01c483aa$080ee790$bfe4a5ce@D3JM7W21> The list of minerals known to fade in sunlight is a long one -- but there are other minerals that, instead of fading, change to a different color, sometimes a deeper one. Calcite from Terlingua, Texas, is probably the most familiar example. Some of this, on a freshly broken surface, is pale green, but upon exposure to sunlight it will gradually turn medium pink. The newer material from near Boquillas del Carmen is similar. In neither case does the change in daylight color appear to affect the fluorescence of the mineral. Manganoan calcite from Franklin and Sterling Hill, back here in New Jersey, typically is pale gray to white when fresh, but upon exposure it gradually turns dark bronzy brown. We've seen noticeable darkening of freshly dug material in as little as two days. Apparently this is caused by photochemical oxidation of manganese from the divalent to the tetravalent state. This reaction does affect the fluorescence: divalent manganese is the activator of orange-red fluorescence in the local calcite, but when the manganese is oxidized to the tetravalent state the fluorescence no longer occurs. Then, of course, there is tenebrescence, or reversible photosensitivity. The best-known example is probably the hackmanite variety of sodalite, which contains disulfide ion as an impurity. The disulfide ion is the activator of yellow fluorescence in sodalite, but it is also involved in a reversible color change when the sodalite is exposed to light of different wavelengths. For example, some hackmanite is pale gray in daylight but turns to deep raspberry red when exposed to shortwave ultraviolet light; exposure to the light of an incandescent light bulb will bleach the color to gray again. The color of fluorescence is affected too: it is yellow in the bleached state but turns more toward orange or reddish-orange as the mineral deepens in color to raspberry red. Quite remarkable, and fascinating. Proustite and pyrargryite, the "ruby silver" species, are called that because of their stunningly beautiful, deep red color in daylight. Specimens that have long been on public display, however, tend to look black; they've noticeably darkened over the years. There is a direct link here to black-and-white photography. Vivianite, commonly pale yellow when freshly collected, gradually turns green and then almost black upon exposure due to intervalence charge transfer of iron. And, again back here in New Jersey, pyrochroite when freshly taken from the mine is pale lavender, but within days to weeks it will turn black. So yes, sunlight causes many things to fade, including photographs, fabrics, and minerals, but there are a lot of other things that can happen too. Cheers- Earl Verbeek Earl R. Verbeek Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum e-mail: shmm@sterlinghill.org +++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of CornDogs Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals I just want to add that there are alot more minerals that can fade in the sunlight. When I started doing my collecting, I lived in California. I unfortunately learned the hard way, too. I lived in a place with tons of long windows - thus, long window sills, right?? I thought it was so cool to put my collection in the window sills to display them...and since I was using them for their metaphysical properties, I thought they were being contstantly 'cleansed' by the sunshine. However, the sunlight not only 'cleansed' them, it faded a good portion of them :-( Here is a list of minerals I had that I can remember fading. I have actually passed this information along to a few stores I have been in since then....telling them to take their items out of the windows or else they would end up with the same issues I did - they have been very thankful!! Rose Quartz - BIG TIME!!! Amethyst - dark and light colors faded Fluorite - purples, blues, greens (I would assume all colors, but those are the colors I had!) Citrine Celestite Aquamarine Emerald I am sure there are others, but these are the ones that I PERSONALLY have experienced major fading from sunlight. And like this email below says....it can happen in hours!!! Hope this helps!! Brenda From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Aug 16 09:37:08 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Aug 16 09:37:10 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] about, what is opal Message-ID: <081620041637.7056.4120E2B3000A090200001B90216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi, Horst, My best answer - assume that the replacement iron oxide material is really goethite, and label them that way! There's a reasonable likelihood that at least some of the pseudomorphing material is goethite, even if it is poorly crystalline, so that labelling is likely to be at least partially correct. A better answer would be to research whether anyone has, in fact, done careful XRD study of the replacing material in any of the classic "limonite after pyrite" pseudomorph localities, such as Pelican Point, Utah, or the locality near Dotsero, Colorado, or the one in SE New Mexico, and reported whether the material is at all crystalline, or not; or, to take some samples and do some such studies! I'll bet Earl Verbeek should know (or if Earl doesn't know, he SHOULD know!), how the Pelican Point material should properly be labelled. sincerely, Pete -------------- Original message from "Horst Windisch" : -------------- > Hi Pete, > > Where would you classify "limonite, pseudomortrph after pyrite"? I have some > beautiful crystals of this "mineral". > > Horst > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Aug 16 09:43:31 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Aug 16 09:43:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081620041643.13108.4120E4330005603C00003334216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Brenda, Those are good observations you mention, and very good cautions about displaying minerals in direct sunlight. Though, I'd be quite surprised if emerald really fades in sunlight--because of the nature of what causes the color in emerald (presence of chromium and/or vanadium in the mineral), that coloring agent is rather unlikely to suffer any effects from sunlight. (Unless it's been artificially enhanced in some way--e.g., dyed?) sincerely, Pete > > Here is a list of minerals I had that I can remember fading. I have actually > passed this information along to a few stores I have > been in since then....telling them to take their items out of the windows or > else they would end up with the same issues I did - > they have been very thankful!! > > Rose Quartz - BIG TIME!!! > Amethyst - dark and light colors faded > Fluorite - purples, blues, greens (I would assume all colors, but those are the > colors I had!) > Citrine > Celestite > Aquamarine > Emerald > > > Brenda > > > Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan > Assisting Boston Terriers > Kearney, NE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Mon Aug 16 07:21:16 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon Aug 16 09:47:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <000801c483b0$b8d81c30$c44027c4@privatehome> Hi Ken, I know rose quartz fades in sunlight. It has also been said that the sturmanite from the Kalahari Manganese Fields in South Africa should be kept in a dark place (or best still covered) as the yellow tends to turn brown with time. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > Hi List, > > Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback on. The fading of > mineral colors due to light or sunlight. > > Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several fears that certain > geodes will fade & have seen their owners put aluminum foil over them or > keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. > > 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is suggested to fade. > 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to fade. > 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will fade. > 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana geodes will fade. > > Are any or all of these true? > I just cracked through a geode filled with pink dolomite that I plan to > experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half in a sunny window & > the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare them after a few > weeks. > I'll report back on my findings. > > Thanks, > Ken Vaisvil > kjvgorock@juno.com > ebay id: kv_goodrocks > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Aug 16 10:18:46 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Aug 16 10:18:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081620041643.13108.4120E4330005603C00003334216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <000f01c483b5$16fb1750$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Ome of the most spectacular fading in the mineral kingdom: the green gemlike fluorite from Frazers Hush Mine and the Rogerly Mine, Rookhope, Weardale, England. These turn to grey in no time when left in the sunlight. Fluorescence is not affected. These fluorites turn blue when you take them outside, even with a moderate ovvercast.... they turn blue when you even whisper "UV"...... Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Brenda, Those are good observations you mention, and very good cautions about displaying minerals in direct sunlight. Though, I'd be quite surprised if emerald really fades in sunlight--because of the nature of what causes the color in emerald (presence of chromium and/or vanadium in the mineral), that coloring agent is rather unlikely to suffer any effects from sunlight. (Unless it's been artificially enhanced in some way--e.g., dyed?) sincerely, Pete > > Here is a list of minerals I had that I can remember fading. I have actually > passed this information along to a few stores I have > been in since then....telling them to take their items out of the windows or > else they would end up with the same issues I did - > they have been very thankful!! > > Rose Quartz - BIG TIME!!! > Amethyst - dark and light colors faded > Fluorite - purples, blues, greens (I would assume all colors, but those are the > colors I had!) > Citrine > Celestite > Aquamarine > Emerald > > > Brenda > > > Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan > Assisting Boston Terriers > Kearney, NE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From danielz at acmenet.net Mon Aug 16 10:24:11 2004 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Mon Aug 16 10:24:12 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081620041643.13108.4120E4330005603C00003334216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <000f01c483b5$16fb1750$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <000301c483b5$d8874740$44af61cc@M1Garand> Another is the kunzite from Brazil, and probably elsewhere. I once placed a pale pink crystal under my 15-watt UV lamp, admired the color for a couple of moments, and removed it. It was totally colorless. Like the fluorite you mentioned, it still fluoresced well. Some rose-quartzes also fade to white. -dan- - - Protect your civil rights! Let the politicians know how you feel. Join or donate to the NRA today! http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > Ome of the most spectacular fading in the mineral kingdom: the green gemlike > fluorite from Frazers Hush Mine and the Rogerly Mine, Rookhope, Weardale, > England. > > These turn to grey in no time when left in the sunlight. > > Fluorescence is not affected. > These fluorites turn blue when you take them outside, even with a moderate > ovvercast.... they turn blue when you even whisper "UV"...... > > Cheers > > Axel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > > > Brenda, > > Those are good observations you mention, and very good cautions about > displaying minerals in direct sunlight. Though, I'd be quite surprised if > emerald really fades in sunlight--because of the nature of what causes the > color in emerald (presence of chromium and/or vanadium in the mineral), that > coloring agent is rather unlikely to suffer any effects from sunlight. > (Unless it's been artificially enhanced in some way--e.g., dyed?) > > sincerely, Pete > > > > Here is a list of minerals I had that I can remember fading. I have > actually > > passed this information along to a few stores I have > > been in since then....telling them to take their items out of the windows > or > > else they would end up with the same issues I did - > > they have been very thankful!! > > > > Rose Quartz - BIG TIME!!! > > Amethyst - dark and light colors faded > > Fluorite - purples, blues, greens (I would assume all colors, but those > are the > > colors I had!) > > Citrine > > Celestite > > Aquamarine > > Emerald > > > > > > Brenda > > > > > > Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan > > Assisting Boston Terriers > > Kearney, NE > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kahako at aloha.net Mon Aug 16 12:19:14 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Aug 16 11:52:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <003c01c483aa$080ee790$bfe4a5ce@D3JM7W21> References: <009301c483a1$961ad250$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> <003c01c483aa$080ee790$bfe4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040816085921.02fe4560@mail.aloha.net> Darkness can effect things too: several years ago we put one wood bedside table of a pair into a storage unit for a year. Originally they both had a dark brown finish. When we retrieved the one from storage, it had turned light brown, almost "blond" in the year of darkness---and it has not darkened since re-exposure to light. Some rugs or carpets will "fade" several tones lighter when put in darkness or covered with another rug or solid piece of furniture. Question: will minerals fade from being in a lighted display case...or does it require sunlight? Aloha, Kitty At 05:58 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: >... there are other minerals that, instead of fading, change to a >different color, >sometimes a deeper one. > >....sunlight causes many things to fade, including photographs, fabrics, >and minerals, but there are a lot of other things that can happen too. > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > >Earl R. Verbeek >Resident Geologist >Sterling Hill Mining Museum >e-mail: shmm@sterlinghill.org >+++++++++++++++++++++ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 16 16:08:03 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 16 16:05:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <009301c483a1$961ad250$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> <003c01c483aa$080ee790$bfe4a5ce@D3JM7W21> <6.1.2.0.0.20040816085921.02fe4560@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <41213DAC.2708@Tomaszewski.net> Light and heat provide energy that can make chemical reactions more likely to occur. Different frequencies of light carry different amounts of energy. Sunlight, with its UV component, is more likely to be a problem than artificial lights. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Darkness can effect things too: several years ago we put one wood bedside > table of a pair into a storage unit for a year. Originally they both had a > dark brown finish. When we retrieved the one from storage, it had turned > light brown, almost "blond" in the year of darkness---and it has not > darkened since re-exposure to light. Some rugs or carpets will "fade" > several tones lighter when put in darkness or covered with another rug or > solid piece of furniture. > > Question: will minerals fade from being in a lighted display case...or > does it require sunlight? > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 05:58 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: > >... there are other minerals that, instead of fading, change to a > >different color, > >sometimes a deeper one. > > > > > >....sunlight causes many things to fade, including photographs, fabrics, > >and minerals, but there are a lot of other things that can happen too. > > > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > > >Earl R. Verbeek > >Resident Geologist > >Sterling Hill Mining Museum > >e-mail: shmm@sterlinghill.org > >+++++++++++++++++++++ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lanny at lrream.com Mon Aug 16 18:44:04 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Aug 16 18:43:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There hasn't been much voting on who wrote the best favorite mineral statement. I need some more votes. Lanny On Aug 11, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Lanny wrote: > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in > your opinion), > > The book is "Through the Crust of the Earth" by Lord Energlyn, 1973. > Hard cover, 127 pages. The chapters are: "Mysteries of the > Underworld," The Riches Underfoot," "This Violent Planet," "The > Re-Creating Earth," "Fossils: The Museum of Life" and "New > Discoveries." Lots of color photos, diagrams, etc. explaining the > earth and geologic processes. Good condition, but with a slight odor > of having been in damp air in a basement (which it probably was at one > time). > > For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > favorite mineral, and why, in (25?) words or less?" And we are > sticking with the 25 words. You have until 9:00 PM PDT on Saturday > (Aug 14) to submit your response to the list. Then everyone can vote > by sending their choice of the best to me at by email address > (Lanny@LRReam.com) by the following Monday evening. I'll count them > and notify the winner. > > Again, I might be out in the field the first half of next week so will > do the counting and notifying the end of the week. Montana here I > come, maybe. > > Have fun, > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 16 19:12:21 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:12:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book (vote -- delete if not interested) References: Message-ID: <41216984.F82@Tomaszewski.net> Without doubt it was Jimmy Kuo's My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, with accompanying hours long tale. but I think he left unsaid it was usually just the most recent one he had collected with said attributes. Kreigh Lanny wrote: > > There hasn't been much voting on who wrote the best favorite mineral > statement. > > I need some more votes. > > Lanny > > On Aug 11, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Lanny wrote: > > > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in > > your opinion), > > > > The book is "Through the Crust of the Earth" by Lord Energlyn, 1973. > > Hard cover, 127 pages. The chapters are: "Mysteries of the > > Underworld," The Riches Underfoot," "This Violent Planet," "The > > Re-Creating Earth," "Fossils: The Museum of Life" and "New > > Discoveries." Lots of color photos, diagrams, etc. explaining the > > earth and geologic processes. Good condition, but with a slight odor > > of having been in damp air in a basement (which it probably was at one > > time). > > > > For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > > favorite mineral, and why, in (25?) words or less?" And we are > > sticking with the 25 words. You have until 9:00 PM PDT on Saturday > > (Aug 14) to submit your response to the list. Then everyone can vote > > by sending their choice of the best to me at by email address > > (Lanny@LRReam.com) by the following Monday evening. I'll count them > > and notify the winner. > > > > Again, I might be out in the field the first half of next week so will > > do the counting and notifying the end of the week. Montana here I > > come, maybe. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Lanny From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Aug 16 19:18:07 2004 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:18:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <00c001c48400$7088b390$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I have purple and yellow Cave in Rock fluorite in my rock garden. It has been exposed for 15 years+ and hasn't faded. Blue fluorite does become more gray. Sphalerite from that area holds its color, too. Dolomite from Corydon, IN fades from pink to white, but takes about 10 years. The rose quartz from the Quadeville, Ontario area seems to hold its color. Dick Farmery showed me a glacially polished exposure that is still pink. As a rule of thumb it is best to avoid putting minerals in a constant bath of sunlight or other bright lamp. It is also good to rotate your in-house displays so that specimens don't stay out in the open forever. If for no other reason than to keep them from getting completely covered with dust. On the other hand the barite from Hartsel, Colorado goes from yellowish to deep blue with a few days exposure to the sun. I've got specimens collected in 1987 that are still yellowish because of minimal exposure to light. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > Hi List, > > Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback on. The fading of > mineral colors due to light or sunlight. > > Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several fears that certain > geodes will fade & have seen their owners put aluminum foil over them or > keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. > > 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is suggested to fade. > 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to fade. > 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will fade. > 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana geodes will fade. > > Are any or all of these true? > I just cracked through a geode filled with pink dolomite that I plan to > experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half in a sunny window & > the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare them after a few > weeks. > I'll report back on my findings. > > Thanks, > Ken Vaisvil > kjvgorock@juno.com > ebay id: kv_goodrocks > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 16 19:36:20 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:36:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] about, what is opal References: <200408140101.i7E11XYa022606@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040814195218.01ffaaa8@mail.accesstoledo.com><000d01c48286$5b113760$d5a5490c@pete> <003c01c482cf$595880b0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <00b101c48352$1a75c820$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <41216F21.4FC9@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, As you know, precious opal is formed from regular cystals (spheres of silica), in a meta-crystal arrangement (ordered planes of uniform spheres). The diffraction effects that give rise to the 'fire' come from the regular size and spacing of the crystal spheres. Size and spacing determine the color of the 'fire'. Think of a box full of ping pong balls -- you would get fire if they are orderly arranged into planes (like when they came from the factory), amorphous if they are jumbled into the box (like after you spilled and tried to pick them up -- and just dumped them into the box). As long as the three opal forms can all make the spheres of silica that make up opal, they should also be able make 'fire' opal (if the right conditons are possible to make some uniform and regularly arranged spheres). Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Hi, Axel, > > I wanted to get back with one more comment about opal. Yes, opal is > interesting stuff. Because opal, as you point out, does have a partial > crystallinity--of several different variations--it would qualify as a > mineral, but probably not as a separate mineral; I think if described now, > the Opal-C type would be considered a poorly crystalline variety of > cristobalite, etc. (By the way, I'm not sure--perhaps someone has studied > this, but don't remember if I've read it--which of these three type, opal-A, > C, T--the true "precious" opal with fire, commonly is--or whether it can be > any of these. > > I think opal has gotten special treatment simply because it is so common (as > regards the non-precious variety), as well as being beautiful and valuable. > Another amorphous mineral--and this one, we class definitely as a > mineraloid, and not a mineral species--is limonite. I think both limonite > and opal are commonly known as amorphous (or near amorphous) mineral > materials, because those two chemical substances are so common, in so many > kinds of rocks and environments. > > Probably, most other minerals may also at times occur in mostly or > completely amorphous form, but if the mineral is a relatively uncommon > one--say, oh, for example perhaps, hemimorphite, smithsonite, anglesite, > almost anything else--if it's fairly uncommon, then the amorphous form may > well occur also now and then, but being uncommon (and being noncrystalline, > so probably not looking like much of anything), it will much more likely go > on being ignored, if and when it does occur. Since SiO2 or limonite is > probably hundreds (thousands?) of time more abundant than those other > minerals I mentioned, they are just so much more likely to not infrequently > be found in an amorphous state, when they've formed at low temperatures > where crystal growth is slow. > > Such minerals--those that do occur as amorphous forms--are probably also > going to be those (as well as having to be fairly common, to be recognized), > that commonly form at low temperatures (where noncrystalline material is > more likely to form), and to be minerals whose deposition and growth does > take place under quite low-temperature conditions; because, minerals that > normally form at high temperatures, are probably much more likely to be able > to grow into their stable, crystalline arrangments. Thus, I'd be rather > surprised to find the amorphous equivalents of muscovite, or microcline, or > garnet, say. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > Hi Pete, > > > > I checked in my mineral database from Materials Data. Darn fine thing to > > have on your PC ;-))) > > Opal has the IMA status: G (which stands for "Grandfather") > > This status is "reserved for minerals that were introduced before the > > formation of the CNMMN and not yet approved by it but generally approved > by > > the mineralogical community". (Ernest H. Nickel and Monte C. Nichols, > > MaterialsData Manual, 2003). > > > > Therefore, in the stricktest sense, opal is a mineral until discredited. > > Futhermore I picked up on one of our society's ever so interesting monthly > > speeches that opal is not amorphous but cryptocrystalline. It's made up of > > little spheres with water between them and those spheres are not > completely > > without structure... Opal seems to be subdivided in three groups: opal-A, > > opal-C and opal-T. > > In opal-A, the spheres are amorphous. In opal-C they have a cristobalite > > structure and in opal-T a tridymite structure. As a result, the hardness > > varies between 5.5 and 6.5. (Jones & Segnit 1971). > > > > .... I think (gringrin) > > > > Cheers to all the on-line hairsplitters > > > > Axel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From CrescentStoneINC at aol.com Tue Aug 17 05:16:25 2004 From: CrescentStoneINC at aol.com (CrescentStoneINC@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 17 05:16:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stromatolite Stone Samples. Message-ID: <1db.290fa291.2e535119@aol.com> From: Crescent Stone Company Going to mines this week to pick samples, sending upon return. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Tue Aug 17 07:01:53 2004 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue Aug 17 07:01:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage In-Reply-To: <001601c482cb$a4224da0$a9a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <002801c48462$c0121b10$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> And speaking of getting going through your rock pile: The quickest way I know to get rid of a bunch of dusty, not-very-pretty, lumpy old rocks is to start cataloging your collection. When you realize how long it takes to catalog a single specimen, rocks start flying out of your house and in to your give-away pile in seconds. I have high-graded my collection to the point where I really need to go on another field trip to have something to throw away! How's that for sad? Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Peter J. Modreski Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:28 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage ... is what I've been doing this weekend, I'm afraid. (Thought I'd write this little message, as a companion to the line of Kreigh's note, about not finding any interesting rocks in the playground holes he augered, and rather being at the volcano.) This weekend was the "Contin-Tail" in Buena Vista, CO*, a very fun rock swap (tho actually, just about nobody really swaps anything, it's all priced and for sale, and lots of the people there just talk about it as "how did you do at the Show"), where many people camp out (dry camp, out on the B.V. rodeo grounds, but a great view of the Sawatch Range) for at least 3 days. Well, I hadn't made any serious plans to go there, and it's about a 2-hour drive from Denver, and I've had this overstuffed garage that has just been crying to be straightened out all summer (if not for the last several years), overflowing with unsorted rocks from all the last X field trips (more like the last X-cubed field trips), all forming a sort of glacier which has overridden and hidden all the other boxes with books, files, garden tools, etc. (hasn't been a car in there... ever), so, I nobly (?) decided to just stay home and work on the garage, I figured that I'd find lots more rocks there (exactly what to do with them is another matter) enough to stock 5 or 6 Contin-Tails. So, that's what I did most of yesterday, and probably today too. (It was a nice sunny weekend, so we just left a bunch of boxes and things just sitting out in the driveway & patio, waiting to be packed back in, in better order.) So let's see, I did find some good things "tucked away"--a bunch of small cigar boxes full of arrowhead flakes and chips that I got at a local rockhound's "estate rock sale" one year, a nice box of largish Calumet mine (CO) epidote crystals similarly aquired, ditto for large Apache tears, some interesting fluorescent minerals picked up here & there but all put away in odd spots, never findable individually unless you go through the whole business, a big specimen from New Mexico of calcite dogtooth-crystals coating with yellow carnotite, that friend gave me, an egg carton of limonite pseudo's after pyrite collected northwest of Dotsero, CO..., some fl. scheelite (mostly just small specks) in matrix, collected from prospects in the Owl Creek Mtns., WY--most of it will be relegated to our give-away rock room; ah, there's still more to sort through. I loaded up a carful of stuff, to haul to work and leave at our USGS giveaway room for teachers. [Well, in honesty, I'd still probably have had more fun at the rock swap, and I'm tempted to drive there today anyway, but there's all that stuff sitting in the driveway!] * which reminds me, I always see these posts online about a rock show or museum or whatever in "Buena Vista", and I always have to read close, and have learned to expect that there's a Buena Vista, California, and it's not ours. No one out here in the mid-continent boonies, of course, has otherwise ever heard of Buena Vista CA--San Francisco or L.A. or San Diego or Sacramento, that's about my limit of towns in CA. cheers to all, Pete Modreski _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Aug 17 07:17:57 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 17 07:18:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <009301c483a1$961ad250$6b897644@dit03r92qai5fx> <003c01c483aa$080ee790$bfe4a5ce@D3JM7W21><6.1.2.0.0.20040816085921.02fe4560@mail.aloha.net> <41213DAC.2708@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002501c48465$00439950$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Although some chemical reactions require distinct wavelengths... For example orpiment (auripigment). It is sometimes found as beautiful XX. These XX start to crumble when kept in the light and after a while they are reduced to powder. The cause is a rather narrow spectral band of green light. If you block that out with a very light magenta filter, you can keep the specimens in tiptop shape forever and a day... Recently I learned that the "normal" color of tenebrescent sodalite is raspberry purple. That is the color of the rock when freshly cut, btw. Daylight seems to dislodge sulfur and chlorine atom-bonds so that the color disappears. SW-UV has enough energy to "re-route" enough electrons in the S-S and S-Cl bonds to restore the color. I don't know if it 's true but it looks logical to me. I 'still owe Mark Cole an experiment or two for the great specimens he sent me so this may be one to set up collectively (Hi Mark, are you there? ;-))): Step 1) Charge the sodalite to purple using SW-UV Step 2) Note the time that the sodalite needs to discolor completely under a strong halogen light. Step 3) repeat step 1 and 2 but each time with a differently colored filter in front of it (red, green , blue, yellow) and see if there is any difference in the pace of the color changing. What do you think? Worth trying? Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > Light and heat provide energy that can make chemical reactions more > likely to occur. Different frequencies of light carry different amounts > of energy. Sunlight, with its UV component, is more likely to be a > problem than artificial lights. > > Kreigh > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > Darkness can effect things too: several years ago we put one wood bedside > > table of a pair into a storage unit for a year. Originally they both had a > > dark brown finish. When we retrieved the one from storage, it had turned > > light brown, almost "blond" in the year of darkness---and it has not > > darkened since re-exposure to light. Some rugs or carpets will "fade" > > several tones lighter when put in darkness or covered with another rug or > > solid piece of furniture. > > > > Question: will minerals fade from being in a lighted display case...or > > does it require sunlight? > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 05:58 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote: > > >... there are other minerals that, instead of fading, change to a > > >different color, > > >sometimes a deeper one. > > > > > > > > > >....sunlight causes many things to fade, including photographs, fabrics, > > >and minerals, but there are a lot of other things that can happen too. > > > > > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > > > > >Earl R. Verbeek > > >Resident Geologist > > >Sterling Hill Mining Museum > > >e-mail: shmm@sterlinghill.org > > >+++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 17 07:51:00 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 17 07:51:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Definitely worth trying! This is one of those projects that is always discussed among collectors with the end result being, "Somebody should do that." I've got enough projects to last the next three years, but that was something I had in mind. Please do this if you can! If you are really ambitious, you can use continuously variable dichroic filters to control the wavelength even more . . . of course, if the cause of the color change is LW, MW, or SW UV, you need other filtering options as well. Maybe Edmund Scientific is having a sale on bandpass filters . . . Good luck and let us know! Don > Although some chemical reactions require distinct wavelengths... > > Step 1) Charge the sodalite to purple using SW-UV > Step 2) Note the time that the sodalite needs to discolor completely under a > strong halogen light. > Step 3) repeat step 1 and 2 but each time with a differently colored filter > in front of it (red, green , blue, yellow) and see if there is any > difference in the pace of the color changing. > > What do you think? Worth trying? From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 17 08:09:24 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Tue Aug 17 08:09:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: If you have enough time, can't you illuminate your sodalite in a UV-VIS fotospectrometer? Here you work with monochromatic light of variable wavelength. First measure every 50nm or so and plot the time, to see it there is an optimum somewhere. Then you can take more measurement in the interesting area. cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: 17 August 2004 16:51 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Definitely worth trying! This is one of those projects that is always discussed among collectors with the end result being, "Somebody should do that." I've got enough projects to last the next three years, but that was something I had in mind. Please do this if you can! If you are really ambitious, you can use continuously variable dichroic filters to control the wavelength even more . . . of course, if the cause of the color change is LW, MW, or SW UV, you need other filtering options as well. Maybe Edmund Scientific is having a sale on bandpass filters . . . Good luck and let us know! Don > Although some chemical reactions require distinct wavelengths... > > Step 1) Charge the sodalite to purple using SW-UV > Step 2) Note the time that the sodalite needs to discolor completely under a > strong halogen light. > Step 3) repeat step 1 and 2 but each time with a differently colored filter > in front of it (red, green , blue, yellow) and see if there is any > difference in the pace of the color changing. > > What do you think? Worth trying? _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 17 08:28:47 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 17 08:28:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081720041528.18982.4122242F0001994200004A2621602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Maurice, Good idea; I don't have access to one at the moment, and I'm not sure if Axel does. However, one point to keep in mind is that an instrument points a small spot of light at a small area. This particular experiment requires someone to also observe the colors of the specimen in normal light, and this would be difficult because you would then have a very small affected area surrounded by areas of a possibly different color; these contrasts tend to fool the brain and we see that visual color matching is a trial-and-error process. I don't know if the specimen Axel has is a piece of the "purple grape" sodalite from Greenland, but if so, that is indeed weird material. I tried exciting it with SW and LW, then put it in the freezer and lamped it again, and after that the color did not reverse completely. I'm not certain what the causes and correlations are, but there are a lot of fascinating specimens coming out of Greenland these days. Don > If you have enough time, can't you illuminate your sodalite in a UV-VIS > fotospectrometer? Here you work with monochromatic light of variable > wavelength. First measure every 50nm or so and plot the time, to see it > there is an optimum somewhere. Then you can take more measurement in the > interesting area. > From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue Aug 17 08:49:21 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Aug 17 08:45:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage In-Reply-To: <002801c48462$c0121b10$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <200408171545.i7HFjcn7002212@bubbleator.drizzle.com> No kidding! The retaining wall in the driveway is now graced with a number of "rock garden" chunks of Thunder Bay amethyst, Wausau Wisconsin complex gunk, and assorted chunks of "stuff". Heh, heh... My girlfriend and I figure we can't live together until her kids move out (and my kids move out of my house!) and we have a room to store both her and my specimens. Want to know where we live? Just run a gravimetric survey of the Twin Cities and look for a couple of BIG anomalies where our houses are located . GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Anita Westlake > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:02 AM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage > > And speaking of getting going through your rock pile: The > quickest way I know to get rid of a bunch of dusty, > not-very-pretty, lumpy old rocks is to start cataloging your > collection. When you realize how long it takes to catalog a > single specimen, rocks start flying out of your house and in > to your give-away pile in seconds. ..... From kqhayes at chartermi.net Tue Aug 17 09:23:58 2004 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (Keith Q Hayes) Date: Tue Aug 17 09:24:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage In-Reply-To: <200408171545.i7HFjcn7002212@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: This is an amusing topic as I am preparing to move and trying to decide what to do with box after box of minerals. I know there are many that I plan to keep, but I have acquired an obscene amount of smaller specimens that are perfect for kids over the last 10-12 years. There are a couple interesting possibilities: 1. I could donate to a Michigan club that runs kids' tables IF someone wanted to make arrangements to come pick up the material and write me a donation letter. 2. I could sell large wholesale lots for very good prices... Anyone want to get started as a dealer? I suppose it will stop be amusing after I sell my house and I have to move. I have found some really interesting items I have not seen for years as I have been sorting through materials. "Wow, I remember when I collected that" moments have abounded... Best Regards, Keith Hayes www.kqminerals.com kqhayes@chartermi.net 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:49 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage No kidding! The retaining wall in the driveway is now graced with a number of "rock garden" chunks of Thunder Bay amethyst, Wausau Wisconsin complex gunk, and assorted chunks of "stuff". Heh, heh... My girlfriend and I figure we can't live together until her kids move out (and my kids move out of my house!) and we have a room to store both her and my specimens. Want to know where we live? Just run a gravimetric survey of the Twin Cities and look for a couple of BIG anomalies where our houses are located . GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Anita Westlake > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:02 AM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage > > And speaking of getting going through your rock pile: The > quickest way I know to get rid of a bunch of dusty, > not-very-pretty, lumpy old rocks is to start cataloging your > collection. When you realize how long it takes to catalog a > single specimen, rocks start flying out of your house and in > to your give-away pile in seconds. ..... _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Aug 17 09:46:45 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 17 09:46:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage Message-ID: <081720041646.2862.412236750006639400000B2E216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I only wish I were at that point, Anita!!!! Pete -------------- Original message from "Anita Westlake" : -------------- > And speaking of getting going through your rock pile: The quickest way I > know to get rid of a bunch of dusty, not-very-pretty, lumpy old rocks is to > start cataloging your collection. When you realize how long it takes to > catalog a single specimen, rocks start flying out of your house and in to > your give-away pile in seconds. > I have high-graded my collection to the point where I really need to go on > another field trip to have something to throw away! How's that for sad? > > Anita --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cjkuo at verizon.net Tue Aug 17 09:55:46 2004 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue Aug 17 09:57:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage References: Message-ID: <02bc01c4847b$0a94bc20$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> > I have found some really interesting items I have not seen for years as I > have been sorting through materials. "Wow, I remember when I collected > that" moments have abounded... 1) Grab digital camera. 2) Write down those stories. Each and every one of them, a favorite mineral. LOL. But seriously, that's one of the reasons I got a digital camera. My intention now to take fewer samples of rocks and simply take their picture. Jimmy From herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be Tue Aug 17 11:29:27 2004 From: herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be (herwig pelckmans) Date: Tue Aug 17 11:31:40 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book (vote -- delete if not interested) References: <41216984.F82@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00d101c48488$2121d2e0$4ad876d5@pandora.be> I second Kreigh. Jimmy's statement says it all, and the best part of it is that it is not restricted to a single mineral species. It also mentions the social part of the hobby ... how many of us have not made new friends by "talking rocks" ? So ... Jimmy for president ... or at least to be the winner of this contest! ;-) Cheers, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book (vote -- delete if not interested) > Without doubt it was Jimmy Kuo's > > My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and > sweat, with accompanying hours long tale. > > but I think he left unsaid it was usually just the most recent one he > had collected with said attributes. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Lanny wrote: > > > > There hasn't been much voting on who wrote the best favorite mineral > > statement. > > > > I need some more votes. > > > > Lanny > > > > On Aug 11, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Lanny wrote: > > > > > Now for a free book (unless you consider doing a contest as so much > > > work it constitutes payment, in which case the book is not free in > > > your opinion), > > > > > > The book is "Through the Crust of the Earth" by Lord Energlyn, 1973. > > > Hard cover, 127 pages. The chapters are: "Mysteries of the > > > Underworld," The Riches Underfoot," "This Violent Planet," "The > > > Re-Creating Earth," "Fossils: The Museum of Life" and "New > > > Discoveries." Lots of color photos, diagrams, etc. explaining the > > > earth and geologic processes. Good condition, but with a slight odor > > > of having been in damp air in a basement (which it probably was at one > > > time). > > > > > > For this one, we are going with Pete Modreski's suggestion of; "My > > > favorite mineral, and why, in (25?) words or less?" And we are > > > sticking with the 25 words. You have until 9:00 PM PDT on Saturday > > > (Aug 14) to submit your response to the list. Then everyone can vote > > > by sending their choice of the best to me at by email address > > > (Lanny@LRReam.com) by the following Monday evening. I'll count them > > > and notify the winner. > > > > > > Again, I might be out in the field the first half of next week so will > > > do the counting and notifying the end of the week. Montana here I > > > come, maybe. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Aug 17 11:34:32 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 17 11:34:34 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <001b01c48488$d721ed00$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Hey Don, I'll see if I can get a budget for a continuously variable dichroic filter.... Are those expensive? They sure sound that way. I was thinking about using a slide projector at say 1 meter distance. Several layers of cut colored gel in a slide frame could serve as color filters and pretty standard ass well for that matter. I'll dream up something.... Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > > Definitely worth trying! This is one of those projects that is always discussed among collectors with the end result being, "Somebody should do that." I've got enough projects to last the next three years, but that was something I had in mind. Please do this if you can! > > If you are really ambitious, you can use continuously variable dichroic filters to control the wavelength even more . . . of course, if the cause of the color change is LW, MW, or SW UV, you need other filtering options as well. Maybe Edmund Scientific is having a sale on bandpass filters . . . > > > Good luck and let us know! > > Don > > > > > Although some chemical reactions require distinct wavelengths... > > > > Step 1) Charge the sodalite to purple using SW-UV > > Step 2) Note the time that the sodalite needs to discolor completely under a > > strong halogen light. > > Step 3) repeat step 1 and 2 but each time with a differently colored filter > > in front of it (red, green , blue, yellow) and see if there is any > > difference in the pace of the color changing. > > > > What do you think? Worth trying? > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 17 12:03:00 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 17 12:03:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081720041903.1452.41225663000E4E53000005AC21612436469D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Axel, Oh my--I was kidding, that is probably about $1,500-$1,700 new, I was very lucky to trade for a used one at less than half of that value. I think you will be fine using a gel set, as long as you don't melt the gels from the heat of the slide projector. It would be nice, though, if you could keep the light as monochromatic as possible, in order to determine the specific wavelength range involved; on the other hand, that means much more time experimenting and much less time hugging the wife, so it's a trade-off. I suppose even narrowing the response down to a broad band has some good value. Don "Still waiting for the Belgian invasion" > Hey Don, > > I'll see if I can get a budget for a continuously variable dichroic > filter.... Are those expensive? They sure sound that way. > I was thinking about using a slide projector at say 1 meter distance. > Several layers of cut colored gel in a slide frame could serve as color > filters and pretty standard ass well for that matter. > > I'll dream up something.... > > Cheers > > Axel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > > > > > > Definitely worth trying! This is one of those projects that is always > discussed among collectors with the end result being, "Somebody should do > that." I've got enough projects to last the next three years, but that was > something I had in mind. Please do this if you can! > > > > If you are really ambitious, you can use continuously variable dichroic > filters to control the wavelength even more . . . of course, if the cause of > the color change is LW, MW, or SW UV, you need other filtering options as > well. Maybe Edmund Scientific is having a sale on bandpass filters . . . > > > > > > Good luck and let us know! > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > Although some chemical reactions require distinct wavelengths... > > > > > > Step 1) Charge the sodalite to purple using SW-UV > > > Step 2) Note the time that the sodalite needs to discolor completely > under a > > > strong halogen light. > > > Step 3) repeat step 1 and 2 but each time with a differently colored > filter > > > in front of it (red, green , blue, yellow) and see if there is any > > > difference in the pace of the color changing. > > > > > > What do you think? Worth trying? > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 17 07:16:12 2004 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Aug 17 12:53:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book References: <002001c4806a$5a9242c0$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <000a01c48493$6ee3d360$e0814c0c@fekib> This gets my vote!! Reminds me of an English Literature 101 class I was forced to take and ultimately enjoyed!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Westlake To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Free book Ode To Calcite: Oh beautiful waxy luster! Oh strengthener of bones! Your myriad crystal habits Give you the marble throne. Anita D. Westlake --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From prgilmore at hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 13:02:36 2004 From: prgilmore at hotmail.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Tue Aug 17 13:02:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab Message-ID: Hi folks: This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten up" a calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles state because of its darned softness. I have tossed several otherwise good specimens because of scratches. I know about doctoring them with a little petroleum jelly, but I was wondering if I could etch smooth a focal area of a crystall with a little acid, or polish it some other way. I'm not proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying customer, just my gullible firends. Paul Gilmore Andover, MA _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From Paintricks at aol.com Tue Aug 17 15:13:10 2004 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 17 15:13:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab Message-ID: <12b.48fcca69.2e53dcf6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/2004 3:03:11 PM Central Standard Time, prgilmore@hotmail.com writes: how to "neaten up" a calcite ding? I would try a dremmel tool with a soft buffing wheel at a very low speed. Maybe dampen it some to keep the heat down. Petroleum jelly would seem to me to collect or draw dirt before water. Hope I help:) Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 17 15:20:27 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 17 15:20:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comments on Springfield, MA, show? In-Reply-To: <12b.48fcca69.2e53dcf6@aol.com> References: <12b.48fcca69.2e53dcf6@aol.com> Message-ID: <412284AB.3030103@att.net> Hi, Did anyone attend the recent Springfield show? How was the exhibit? How was attendance, and was there any exciting material? Thanks, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Aug 17 15:49:55 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 17 15:47:10 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <001b01c48488$d721ed00$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <41228AE2.6601@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, Take a flat cake pan and fill it with water. Lay a mirror into the pan so one end rests on the bottom and the other on the top edge at the opposite side to make an instant prism. Angle your beam of (sun)light onto the mirror and position your specimen anywhere in the spectrum that interests you. Or place the specimen with the entire spectrum across it to search for specific colors that might be of interest. Lot cheaper than a fancy filter. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hey Don, > > I'll see if I can get a budget for a continuously variable dichroic > filter.... Are those expensive? They sure sound that way. > I was thinking about using a slide projector at say 1 meter distance. > Several layers of cut colored gel in a slide frame could serve as color > filters and pretty standard ass well for that matter. > > I'll dream up something.... > > Cheers > > Axel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > > > > > Definitely worth trying! This is one of those projects that is always > discussed among collectors with the end result being, "Somebody should do > that." I've got enough projects to last the next three years, but that was > something I had in mind. Please do this if you can! > > > > If you are really ambitious, you can use continuously variable dichroic > filters to control the wavelength even more . . . of course, if the cause of > the color change is LW, MW, or SW UV, you need other filtering options as > well. Maybe Edmund Scientific is having a sale on bandpass filters . . . > > > > > > Good luck and let us know! > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > Although some chemical reactions require distinct wavelengths... > > > > > > Step 1) Charge the sodalite to purple using SW-UV > > > Step 2) Note the time that the sodalite needs to discolor completely > under a > > > strong halogen light. > > > Step 3) repeat step 1 and 2 but each time with a differently colored > filter > > > in front of it (red, green , blue, yellow) and see if there is any > > > difference in the pace of the color changing. > > > > > > What do you think? Worth trying? > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 17 15:54:36 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 17 15:54:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <41228AE2.6601@Tomaszewski.net> References: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <001b01c48488$d721ed00$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <41228AE2.6601@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <41228CAC.3040501@att.net> But... but... it's not calibrated. Don Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Axel, > > Take a flat cake pan and fill it with water. Lay a mirror into the pan > so one end rests on the bottom and the other on the top edge at the > opposite side to make an instant prism. Angle your beam of (sun)light > onto the mirror and position your specimen anywhere in the spectrum that > interests you. Or place the specimen with the entire spectrum across it > to search for specific colors that might be of interest. Lot cheaper > than a fancy filter. From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Tue Aug 17 16:04:21 2004 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 17 16:04:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comments on Springfield, MA, show? Message-ID: <7a.5ed51a73.2e53e8f5@aol.com> I'll leave it to others to comment on the minerals. As far as fossils was concerned, there was very little new and interesting. I always figure that if I can either find nice things (fossils) at a reasonable wholesale price for resale or something unusual for my own collection at a reasonable retail price, that the trip was worthwhile. I missed on both counts. I went with 2 experienced mineral guys who bought a few things but mostly quality upgrades for existing specimens. I did buy some gemstones cut to perfection by someone I know, he does nice work and I can always find something he has that I like. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kqhayes at chartermi.net Tue Aug 17 17:36:28 2004 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (Keith Q Hayes) Date: Tue Aug 17 17:37:31 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comments on Springfield, MA, show? In-Reply-To: <7a.5ed51a73.2e53e8f5@aol.com> Message-ID: I was at the Springfield show... and I was looking at minerals. My comments follow: 1. I did not see lots of new minerals in general. Dealers were offering old classics or saving up for Denver. That's not to say that there weren't some neat specimens around on various tables though. 2. The displays were nice and probably unusual for the East Coast. More of a scientific and novelty interest as compared to Tucson which seems to be the "knock your socks off" variety of display. 3. Dennis Beals from XTAL had some interesting new material from latest trip to mexico. Nice amethyst on matrix from Las vigas, Veracruz, Mexico. Best color and aesthetics on this material, but Mike New had lots of it as well. Dennis also had some neat grossular (garnets) on matrix from a site that is often inaccessible due to the tendency of locals to grow an illicit, high value pharmaceutical crop. Some grossulars were brown and some were green. I will get pictures posted on my site sometime in next few days. 4. Terry Szenics had some interesting material from Chile - rare minerals. John V. wrote this up and put this in his show report at www.trinityminerals.com Once again, I will get some pictures up soon. I met Bill Pinch in Terry's booth and had an interesting discussion with him. I was impressed that such a knowledgable collector with an important collection would take the time to have a friendly conversation with someone he just met and invite them to come see his mineral museum some time just because they liked rare minerals too. More proof that rockhounds are great people. 5. Dudley Blauwet had some interesting material as well... faden adularia. Check out trinity for pictures. I met a few other nice collectors and dealers for the first time... see y'all in Denver. Best Regards, Keith Hayes www.kqminerals.com kqhayes@chartermi.net 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:04 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Comments on Springfield, MA, show? I'll leave it to others to comment on the minerals. As far as fossils was concerned, there was very little new and interesting. I always figure that if I can either find nice things (fossils) at a reasonable wholesale price for resale or something unusual for my own collection at a reasonable retail price, that the trip was worthwhile. I missed on both counts. I went with 2 experienced mineral guys who bought a few things but mostly quality upgrades for existing specimens. I did buy some gemstones cut to perfection by someone I know, he does nice work and I can always find something he has that I like. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Aug 17 17:41:56 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 17 17:38:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <001b01c48488$d721ed00$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <41228AE2.6601@Tomaszewski.net> <41228CAC.3040501@att.net> Message-ID: <4122A513.25F3@Tomaszewski.net> Throw in a slit and you've got all the calibration reference lines you want. But just color is good enough for survey work to identify the frequency ranges of interest. Kreigh Don H wrote: > > But... but... it's not calibrated. > > Don > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Axel, > > > > Take a flat cake pan and fill it with water. Lay a mirror into the pan > > so one end rests on the bottom and the other on the top edge at the > > opposite side to make an instant prism. Angle your beam of (sun)light > > onto the mirror and position your specimen anywhere in the spectrum that > > interests you. Or place the specimen with the entire spectrum across it > > to search for specific colors that might be of interest. Lot cheaper > > than a fancy filter. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 17 18:05:47 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:05:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <4122A513.25F3@Tomaszewski.net> References: <081720041451.12844.41221B53000BBDA50000322C21602810609D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <001b01c48488$d721ed00$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <41228AE2.6601@Tomaszewski.net> <41228CAC.3040501@att.net> <4122A513.25F3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4122AB6B.9070305@att.net> True, it's good to get you started. But I'm the kind of person who was aggravated to find out the new continuous monochromator has a full maximum half bandwidth of 12.5 nanometers, as opposed to my single wavelength filters which have a FWHM of 10 nanometers. That's a 25 Angstrom difference! I suspect that some of these phenomena are activated by very narrow bandwidths, and others by fairly broad ranges. We'll see what Axel finds out. Don Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Throw in a slit and you've got all the calibration reference lines you > want. But just color is good enough for survey work to identify the > frequency ranges of interest. > > Kreigh > > > > Don H wrote: > >>But... but... it's not calibrated. >> >>Don >> >>Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Aug 17 20:31:37 2004 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Aug 17 20:30:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 References: <200408180103.i7I135S5026084@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001301c484d3$df1a1190$eef9a5d8@Rock5> The subject of color fading, enhancement and changing of minerals caused by the exposure of various kinds of light (electromagnetic) radiation is so large that many volumes could be written about it. I will comment only about amethyst. The amethyst from Rio Grande do Brazil and Uruguay are definitely light sensitive. I took a typical cluster of amethyst crystals from the basalts near Amethista do Sul, the little town in Rio Grande do Sul state a few hours north of Soledade and broke it in half. One half I kept in a dark box and the other I put outside exposed to the daily sun here in Southern California for about 6 months and then glued it back to gather with the one that had been in the box. The difference between the two pieces was striking. The part that had been exposed to the sun on a daily basis was almost gray while the part that was kept in the dark was still quite blue and beautiful. The people who sell the amethyst there know that you never want to put the amethyst in direct sunlight except for short periods if the customer wants to see what it looks like in the sun. Also, when they sell the amethyst they always put it in parts of their sales facility where there is only the most indirect natural light. Placing the amethyst in direct light makes it look a whole shade lighter in color than in indirect natural lighting. You never want to sell amethyst in direct light or sunlight. In Uruguay, I have often seen carpets of amethyst specimens stored on the ground but under the shade of trees. When I first saw this I asked why they did that and not place it in the sun light where it could be more easily seen. I was told that the color of the amethyst is preserved longer if it is stored in the shade rather than in the sun light. In some of the museums in Russia like the Armory in the Kremlan and the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg there are a number of old valuable bibles exhibited whose bindings are covered with gold and gem stones. Some of the stones in the gold covering of the bibles are largish gray looking unatractive stones. These were almost certainly formerly fine Siberian amethysts that have faided over the generations. I believe the synthetic precious opal that is produced is achieved by precipitating tiny spheres of silica and then using a stream of air to clasify the silica spheres into exact various sizes. I have been told that when the sizing of the spheres is exact enough, they will settle into their containers naturally and act like a defraction grating and exhibit the color typical of that particular spacing. Then to make the "opal" the spheres are bonded togather with a binder which is usually propriatary in nature. Rock From shm at tapnet.net Wed Aug 18 05:55:52 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Wed Aug 18 05:56:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Attributed data. Was: about, what is opal In-Reply-To: <081620041637.7056.4120E2B3000A090200001B90216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <000001c48522$cf6c73b0$a7e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Good afternoon Horst! And good morning Pete, Yes, I SHOULD know what the replacing material is for the Pelican Point pyrite crystal groups, but I don't. Worse, I no longer have access to an XRD, so when our museum specimens of this material beckon me with their plaintive whimpers of "Who am I?", I have no way of answering them. Poor little things. I'll bet that Pete is right, that at least some of the pseudomorphing material is goethite, so you could make a presumptive label to that effect. However, I'd rather still label them as "limonite after pyrite" because that's what we know, as opposed to what we infer. Better to have imprecise facts than precise guesses? Personal choice, I suppose, and for one's own collection it probably makes little difference. For institutional collections, however, this is the kind of thing that curators must grapple with all the time. And that's why I'm writing this: I'm cataloguing the collections here at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum and constantly face questions like "Should I label this nice Franklin specimen as fluorapatite because I'm almost certain that's what it is, or should I just label it as apatite?" Anybody else care to weigh in on this topic? A similar question concerns known vs. attributed localities. One way to preserve the distinction between them in a computerized collection catalogue is to place known localities in normal type and italicize the attributed ones, but that's not possible to do in some database programs, and the distinction between "known" and "attributed" is not as simple as one might think. For example, specimen labels can be wrong, both as to species identification and locality, so one must view them with care. Also, even if a world-acclaimed mineralogist stated that "Yes, that's a fine example of autunite from the Daybreak mine," statements of authority do NOT constitute scientific evidence: they are expressions of opinion, period. It can get a little murky in here . . . Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:37 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] about, what is opal Hi, Horst, My best answer - assume that the replacement iron oxide material is really goethite, and label them that way! There's a reasonable likelihood that at least some of the pseudomorphing material is goethite, even if it is poorly crystalline, so that labelling is likely to be at least partially correct. A better answer would be to research whether anyone has, in fact, done careful XRD study of the replacing material in any of the classic "limonite after pyrite" pseudomorph localities, such as Pelican Point, Utah, or the locality near Dotsero, Colorado, or the one in SE New Mexico, and reported whether the material is at all crystalline, or not; or, to take some samples and do some such studies! I'll bet Earl Verbeek should know (or if Earl doesn't know, he SHOULD know!), how the Pelican Point material should properly be labelled. sincerely, Pete -------------- Original message from "Horst Windisch" : -------------- > Hi Pete, > > Where would you classify "limonite, pseudomortrph after pyrite"? I have some > beautiful crystals of this "mineral". > > Horst > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Wed Aug 18 06:27:50 2004 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Wed Aug 18 06:27:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <6323408.1092835670591.JavaMail.uportal@KIL-UPT-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca> Hi All, Another option is to use LEDs. They are cheap, bright, and the characteristics are known to you when you order them. I bought a set for a demo a while back that covers a wide range of colors (IR through to violet). The spectral width is about 15-30 nm depending on the color, for the ones I bought. As an example check out digikey.com for parts. As an aside, I have often wanted to combine the use of LEDs with filters to look for fluorescence due to pumping by a visible wavelength. For instance, shine blue or green on a mineral and look for red fluorescence. Has anybody played with such a setup before? Later, Ronnie -----Original Message----- > Date: Tue Aug 17 21:41:56 ADT 2004 > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Throw in a slit and you've got all the calibration reference lines you > want. But just color is good enough for survey work to identify the > frequency ranges of interest. > > Kreigh > > > > Don H wrote: > > > > But... but... it's not calibrated. > > > > Don > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > > Axel, > > > > > > Take a flat cake pan and fill it with water. Lay a mirror into the pan > > > so one end rests on the bottom and the other on the top edge at the > > > opposite side to make an instant prism. Angle your beam of (sun)light > > > onto the mirror and position your specimen anywhere in the spectrum that > > > interests you. Or place the specimen with the entire spectrum across it > > > to search for specific colors that might be of interest. Lot cheaper > > > than a fancy filter. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From shm at tapnet.net Wed Aug 18 06:48:28 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Wed Aug 18 06:49:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <6323408.1092835670591.JavaMail.uportal@KIL-UPT-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca> Message-ID: <000001c4852a$29188550$a7e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Hi Ronnie, I've never used LEDs for the application you mention, but it would be an interesting thing to do, and I encourage you to try it and report your results. I think you already know that fluorescence excited by visible light has been investigated for years -- just not with LEDs. A classic experiment involved passing a strong beam of white light (e.g., from a projector bulb) through a solution of copper sulfate and letting the resultant blue light fall upon a specimen of ruby corundum to excite a strong red fluorescence. Don Halterman and I performed a similar experiment here at the Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence when we ran excitation scans of ruby with a fluorescence spectrophotometer. Ruby fluoresces much more strongly under visible blue or green light than it does under LW or SW ultraviolet light. That fact had long been known, but it was exciting to see it for ourselves. We are considering mounting a small display of visible light fluorescence in the Warren Museum to illustrate the effect to the public. Cheers- Earl Verbeek P.S. If you use LSDs instead of LEDs you can see all the colors you want. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Van Dommelen Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:28 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Hi All, Another option is to use LEDs. They are cheap, bright, and the characteristics are known to you when you order them. I bought a set for a demo a while back that covers a wide range of colors (IR through to violet). The spectral width is about 15-30 nm depending on the color, for the ones I bought. As an example check out digikey.com for parts. As an aside, I have often wanted to combine the use of LEDs with filters to look for fluorescence due to pumping by a visible wavelength. For instance, shine blue or green on a mineral and look for red fluorescence. Has anybody played with such a setup before? Later, Ronnie From morningstar at att.net Wed Aug 18 06:58:22 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Wed Aug 18 06:58:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081820041358.17517.4123607D000EBEA90000446D21602807489D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Another clever idea! The spectral output of most LEDs is either on the package or available from the manufacturer. However, LEDs may not output enough power to excite a fluorescence that is visible to your eye; once you enter the visible range of excitation wavelengths, instruments are helpful. To answer your question, yes, that's exactly what we did at the museum when we had access to a spectrophotometer. We found fluorites that emit near-IR (700-850 nm) when excited, and we found that minerals like hardystonite, witherite, scheelite, Terlingua-type calcite, and a few others emit UV when excited by shorter wavelength UV. This is where an instrument really comes in handy, because you can't see some of these responses, unless you are a cat (IR), or are one of the people like me who are very sensitive to blue light and can detect near-violet (380-390 nm) quite well. Another interesting tidbit is the response of "apple-green" willemite (I am always wary of colloquial names, but this is a specific variety of willemite from the Franklin-Sterling Hill area that actually responds to visible light, so that the hue changes slightly whether you are under incandescent, fluorescent, or sun light, and whether it is cloudy or not. In any case it is a very bright green). When we ran something called an excitation scan, we found that this variety of willemite responds best not to SW, or LW, but to blue-green light at about 540nm (that's just from memory, the actual value may be 10 nm in either direction). It just so happens that this variety responds across a very broad range of excitations: SW, LW, blue and blue-green light! I think Axel has done some more work in this field as well and if he's not asleep yet I'm sure he'll chime in. Keep experimenting; there is so much more we don't know in this world and you may find something no one has reported previously. Best regards, Don > > As an aside, I have often wanted to combine the use of LEDs with filters to look > for fluorescence due to pumping by a visible wavelength. For instance, shine > blue or green on a mineral and look for red fluorescence. Has anybody played > with such a setup before? > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Aug 18 07:57:21 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Aug 18 07:57:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081720041903.1452.41225663000E4E53000005AC21612436469D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <001701c48533$aa3da710$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Don, > Oh my--I was kidding, that is probably about $1,500-$1,700 new, I was very lucky to trade for a used one at less than half of that value. I had a strange pulling sensation in my left leg.... was that you? > I think you will be fine using a gel set, as long as you don't melt the gels from the heat of the slide projector. Slides don't melt either, do they? The projector has a condenser lens made from polycarbonate. An excellent IR-filter I was told ;-) > It would be nice, though, if you could keep the light as monochromatic as possible, in order to determine the specific wavelength range involved; on the other >hand, that means much more time experimenting and much less time hugging the wife, so it's a trade-off. I must calibrate the wife for some standardised hugging one of these days (ROTFL) > I suppose even narrowing the response down to a broad band has some good value. Start wide, then narrow... it's like guessing a number between 0 and 100. Is it between 0 and 50??? If then else.... First blue, red and green filters... then we can narrow the bands... > "Still waiting for the Belgian invasion" This Belgian is tied up for a wile but I heard that our population has risen with 5% this year! Expect us in great numbers.... Look to the East and when the great blue yonder turns black... that's when we come Cheers Axel From morningstar at att.net Wed Aug 18 08:05:22 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Wed Aug 18 08:05:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081820041505.24270.4123703200032DF400005ECE21602807489D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> > Don, > > > Oh my--I was kidding, that is probably about $1,500-$1,700 new, I was very > lucky to trade for a used one at less than half of that value. > > I had a strange pulling sensation in my left leg.... was that you? I only wish. That's the price for a new Schott-Veril filter. I was battling for one on eBay that finally went for over $800. > > I think you will be fine using a gel set, as long as you don't melt the > gels from the heat of the slide projector. > > Slides don't melt either, do they? > The projector has a condenser lens made from polycarbonate. An excellent > IR-filter I was told ;-) Oh yes they do indeed! Haven't you ever seen a slide melt? I was thinking of those very thin gel filters; I suppose they do come in more sturdy formats. > > "Still waiting for the Belgian invasion" > > This Belgian is tied up for a wile but I heard that our population has risen > with 5% this year! Expect us in great numbers.... Look to the East and when > the great blue yonder turns black... that's when we come Yes I keep looking, but I see nothing. All I have here is warm beer and cold steaks. Your lone scout, Johan, is not making much of an impression. If that's all you've got then we'll have a lot of leftover food and drink! "Still waiting for the MKA" Don From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Wed Aug 18 08:18:58 2004 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Wed Aug 18 08:19:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <4097952.1092842338505.JavaMail.uportal@KIL-UPT-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca> Don and all, In that case I have a question, roughly how much optical power would be needed? Or, in a similar fashion, how much UV power does a small handheld UV lamp put out? (I could probably measure that myself...). I know some of the LEDs are extremely bright - the ones on cars and stoplights are quite bright and I have an orange one that on its own is too bright to look directly at. Admittedly, the reds and oranges are the brightest, and of least use for this type of experiment, but several greens or blues could be used together, and they are getting brighter all the time. Sounds like you guys have already tried lots on minerals and variations of exciting and viewing - some neat results, too. It might be possible to get away something less expensive than a spectrophotometer though. Visible and IR detectors are as cheap or cheaper than the LEDs and with a filter in front to block the pumping wavelength, the results should be good. Even cheap detectors can be quite sensitive. For added sensitivity, the LED can be modulated (just the way a TV remote blocks out IR from the sun and room lighting to isolate only the signal of interest). An electronic detector would also allow another interesting experiment. People always say about a mineral that the phosphorescence is great - it lasts X sec (or minutes). With an electronic system, you could measure the 'halflife' of the phosphorescence, and get a numerical figure to compare to other minerals. With an oscilloscope, you could also measure very short phosphorescence, that your eyes might not pick up. Maybe these things have already been tried - I'm not a fluorescent collector myself - but they are things I would like to try some day. Ronnie Van Dommelen > However, LEDs may not output enough power to excite a fluorescence that is visible to your eye; once you enter the visible range of excitation wavelengths, instruments are helpful. > > To answer your question, yes, that's exactly what we did at the museum when we had access to a spectrophotometer. We found fluorites that emit near-IR (700-850 nm) when excited, and we found that minerals like hardystonite, witherite, scheelite, Terlingua-type calcite, and a few others emit UV when excited by shorter wavelength UV. This is where an instrument really comes in handy, because you can't see some of these responses, unless you are a cat (IR), or are one of the people like me who are very sensitive to blue light and can detect near-violet (380-390 nm) quite well. Another interesting tidbit is the response of "apple-green" willemite (I am always wary of colloquial names, but this is a specific variety of willemite from the Franklin-Sterling Hill area that actually responds to visible light, so that the hue changes slightly whether you are under incandescent, fluorescent, or sun light, and whether it is cloudy or not. In any case it is a very bright green). W! he! > n we ran something called an excitation scan, we found that this variety of willemite responds best not to SW, or LW, but to blue-green light at about 540nm (that's just from memory, the actual value may be 10 nm in either direction). It just so happens that this variety responds across a very broad range of excitations: SW, LW, blue and blue-green light! > > I think Axel has done some more work in this field as well and if he's not asleep yet I'm sure he'll chime in. > > Keep experimenting; there is so much more we don't know in this world and you may find something no one has reported previously. > > > Best regards, > > Don > > > > > > > > > As an aside, I have often wanted to combine the use of LEDs with filters to look > > for fluorescence due to pumping by a visible wavelength. For instance, shine > > blue or green on a mineral and look for red fluorescence. Has anybody played > > with such a setup before? > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Aug 18 09:29:43 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Aug 18 09:29:46 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081820041629.11542.412383F7000527D700002D16216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> One of us out here--who probably scans some of the list messages real quick and doesn't read (or remember!) everything all that carefully (I hope I'm not the only one on the list who is guilty of this)--is still trying to figure out, what the heck any of this refers to, and what the Belgian invasion means, and what in the world this stuff about the population rising and the "great blue yonder turning black" means, and also, my apology once again, Axel (I know I should know this), but what the MKA is?! (well, something about what you been discussing using all these arcane words & expressions & abbreviations--involves beer, so it can't be all bad!) Sorry to be so clueless... but cheers to all, Pete > > "Still waiting for the Belgian invasion" > > This Belgian is tied up for a wile but I heard that our population has risen > with 5% this year! Expect us in great numbers.... Look to the East and when > the great blue yonder turns black... that's when we come Yes I keep looking, but I see nothing. All I have here is warm beer and cold steaks. Your lone scout, Johan, is not making much of an impression. If that's all you've got then we'll have a lot of leftover food and drink! "Still waiting for the MKA" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Wed Aug 18 09:56:24 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Wed Aug 18 09:56:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <081820041656.10015.41238A38000276910000271F21602807489D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Ooops. This is an ongoing reference to the invitation to shower Axel and any member of his club with endless food and drink as a reward for recovering the stolen lunar samples. At some point this invitation was transmitted across the media in Belgium, and thereafter, due I suspect to some problem in translation, it was relayed to me that the invitation was construed as referring to the entire country of Belgium. Axel has since terrorized me with visions of bug-eyed, slavering Belgians beating down my door and putting me in debt to pay the bill for victuals. So far this has not happened; for the record, I have been able to entertain exactly two club members in person, both of whom ate like birds and drank like teetotalers, leaving grave doubts about the legendary party capability of said Belgians. Earl bought Axel lunch on my behalf when he was in Belgium, which sort of counts, but from what I heard there was no record-setting gluttony happening there either, further shattering the myth. By the way, that's Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen, which loosely translated means "Mineralogy Club of Antwerp." http://www.minerant.org/ In all seriousness, they've been trying to plan a group trip to the U.S. for some time now. We here in the mid-Atlantic will do everything we can to show them a great time and offer as many collecting and trading opportunities as possible. I had also hoped to let members on the list know when they are coming, in the event anyone else wants to meet with them or host them or rub Axel's belly for luck or whatever. So far, I see no invasion, but several of us are looking forward to meeting some long-distance friends and associates in person. These people are known for being pretty serious about their minerals, they have a great website (I suppose the Flemish parts are great too, I just need to assume at this point), several of them have been long-time list members, and I have also traded with some of them. They have been generous to the Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence and we have a case dedicated to their club (plaque is not up yet). Two of them have minerals named after them. So you can see why I am anxious to meet the gang. I know there are people on the list who might like to join in the festivities. So Pete, that's the story--reserve your plane ticket, I expect you here when the day comes! Don > One of us out here--who probably scans some of the list messages real quick and > doesn't read (or remember!) everything all that carefully (I hope I'm not the > only one on the list who is guilty of this)--is still trying to figure out, what > the heck any of this refers to, and what the Belgian invasion means, and what in > the world this stuff about the population rising and the "great blue yonder > turning black" means, and also, my apology once again, Axel (I know I should > know this), but what the MKA is?! > > (well, something about what you been discussing using all these arcane words & > expressions & abbreviations--involves beer, so it can't be all bad!) > > Sorry to be so clueless... > but cheers to all, > Pete > > > > "Still waiting for the Belgian invasion" From lanny at lrream.com Wed Aug 18 10:10:30 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Aug 18 10:09:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <081820041629.11542.412383F7000527D700002D16216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <081820041629.11542.412383F7000527D700002D16216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <81E48B00-F139-11D8-8CFA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> One of the minerals not mentioned so far that is so well known for its color fading in sunlight is topaz. Most sherry to brown topaz will fade to colorless, or sometimes light blue, in sunlight. The Thomas Range, Utah material is infamous for this. Knock a crystal out of the rhyolite while collecting it, drop it on the ground, come back in a week and that beautiful sherry color is gone and it is colorless. Bright sunlight does the trick in just one week. John Holfert told me that such crystals were safe to display in cases with incandescent light and that after several years he had not seen any color loss. A few years ago, out of curiosity, I decided to test a few crystals and see just what it took to change these beautiful sherry colored crystals to colorless or at least diminish the sherry color. For the test I put two crystals in an open area in my office lit with incandescent bulbs and with a north-facing window. Another pair was placed about 2 feet below the shade of one of those torchiere lamps (halogen bulbs that cause fires) in a room with east-facing windows (but the crystals were on a south wall with no direct sunlight), and the third pair was placed about 4 inches below two 4 foot fluorescent tubes. All lights were on several to many hours per day. Considering that the most likely culprit was the UV radiation in sunlight, and possibly heat, I expected that in this test the crystals at the fluorescent light, which produce a bit of UV, would fade the most. The fourth pair of crystals was placed in a dark cabinet. The crystals were selected for similarity in color and size, which is fairly easy to do if you have very many of the small Thomas Range crystals. I checked them every few months and finally decided to call it quits after 15 months. The crystals in my office with incandescent light had no detectable loss of color and neither did the pair next to the torchiere lamp. The crystals under the fluorescent lamps were nearly colorless, and of course the two in the dark still had their full sherry color. Regards, Lanny From Lapadary at aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:46:18 2004 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 18 11:46:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <1e5.28277c41.2e54fdfa@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/04 6:49:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shm@tapnet.net writes: A classic experiment involved passing a strong beam of white light (e.g., from a projector bulb) through a solution of copper sulfate and letting the resultant blue light fall upon a specimen of ruby corundum to excite a strong red fluorescence. I've shined my laser pointer through faceted stones, natural crystals, and even a few opaque cabs. In the dark with just the laser for light a lot of them look like the surfaces is bubbling. And I don't need the LSD to make that happen, just my $5 laser and a handful of rocks. But I do remember the '60s and the nice pastel colors in my white room. Grant Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Gslrocks at aol.com Wed Aug 18 12:27:40 2004 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 18 12:27:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals Message-ID: <1d6.2919ad40.2e5507ac@aol.com> i like playing with lasers and hitting different crystals to see where the fractures are and just to have fun in general. I think they are the greatest cat toys out...ROFL Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at aloha.net Wed Aug 18 13:08:36 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 18 12:41:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net> I've never used this on rock or mineral specimens, but "super glue" is great for certain repairs, covering dings, and, when used with "white powder (acrylic ester polymers & benzoyl peroxide)," you can fill in gaps and build new areas. "Super Glue" is now available with a paint-on brush in the nail-repair and artificial fingernail section of drug stores (OK, guys, you can be brave and look in this frivolous female area of a store). It's called Fingrs Brush-On Nail Glue. Not only is the brush easier to use for application, but the glue is less likely to dry up after opening the container than in the old standard tubes. The powder comes in a plastic vial and is called SuperNail White Powder. When you paint this glue on a crack, it flows quickly into the crack, and if you then wipe off the excess on the surface, often the crack is invisible. A dab on a chip or ding that appears white will make the white disappear, and there is no shiny blob like you would get with other glue or clear enamel. If you sprinkle a little white powder on wet glue, it makes the glue dry almost instantly into a sugary lump. You can fill large gaps by building up layers of glue and powder, and to cross large spaces or build new material, add bits of Kleenex or toilet paper, then glue, then powder. When these sugary areas are thoroughly dry (just a few minutes) they become extremely hard and can be smoothed with fine sandpaper and then painted or glazed. I've used this method to repair a ceramic vase, a refrigerator hydrator drawer, a soapstone figurine, a xerox copier paper tray, a TV remote, a marble bowl, and just a few minutes ago, an electronic attachment thingie for Bill's laptop. Obviously you have to be careful about the glue getting on your skin, but there are solvents that remove it. And for just a little bit on your fingertip, just rub it with an emery board or sandpaper! Aloha, Kitty At 10:02 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: >Hi folks: > >This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten up" a >calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles state because >of its darned softness. I have tossed several otherwise good specimens >because of scratches. I know about doctoring them with a little petroleum >jelly, but I was wondering if I could etch smooth a focal area of a >crystall with a little acid, or polish it some other way. I'm not >proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying customer, just my gullible firends. > >Paul Gilmore >Andover, MA From herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be Wed Aug 18 13:41:21 2004 From: herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be (herwig pelckmans) Date: Wed Aug 18 13:43:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081820041629.11542.412383F7000527D700002D16216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <81E48B00-F139-11D8-8CFA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <003a01c48563$b87d6a60$4ad876d5@pandora.be> Another example of color fading is quite impressive because it is so fast ... When you're out hunting for (mainly) micromounts in the volcanic ash quarries in the Eifel Area (Germany), you mainly try to find large "sanidinites" (= white rocks ejected by the volcano and mainly consisting of sanidine, hence the name). In the sanidinites that have cavities, a range of more or less exotic minerals can be found, together with the more common fluorite, magnetite, sanidine (of course) and pyroxenes ... Quite a few of these sanidinites also contain zircon, and when you're lucky, their crystal faces can be observed and recognized by the naked eye...the largest crystals being about 1.5cm (when you're really lucky !) ... Since you're looking for these sanidinites in a very dusty environment (remember, volcanic ash), most of the times you just have to whack the sanidinites found to see if their interior is interesting enough to take home. And most of the times while splitting these white rocks, nothing special happens... unless... Unless you have "the luck" of splitting an area where pink zircon is residing. As soon as the sanidinite is split, you will know at once you found zircon, because it is the only pink mineral occuring there, and the color is quite striking against the white matrix. What will even confirm its ID, is that the (almost baby) pink color will fade in seconds !! Before you have the time to pick up both halves and give them a good look, the zircon will become a greyish white - looking exactly like all other zircon specimens ... For the record : * green zircon (not fading, very rare) has been found in this area to. Tales go somebody found pink zircon that does not fade (if so it must be extremely rare) ... have not seen it myself yet. ** the fading of this pink zircon is even mentioned in the "bible of Eifel minerals" written by HENTSCHEL (and entitled "Die Mineralien der Eifelvulkane")... Cheers, Herwig (Belgian and MKA-member ;-) ) BTW : the MKA does have an "excursion" to the Eastern US in her "medium term planning" ... due to previously planned excursions we just need some time to get things organized (and the cash saved ;-)) Fortunately that also gives our US friends the time to stock up on beer & food !! Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com From herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be Wed Aug 18 13:46:22 2004 From: herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be (herwig pelckmans) Date: Wed Aug 18 13:48:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <1d6.2919ad40.2e5507ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c48564$6c0f91c0$4ad876d5@pandora.be> Another mineral variety that can show color fading is agate. Especially the red in Brazilian agates is known to fade to an ugly brown ... I remember this was documented by pictures in the German mineral magazine Lapis, but don't have the full reference at hand ... Cheers, Herwig Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com From kahako at aloha.net Wed Aug 18 14:49:17 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 18 14:22:20 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818113540.02ea0c90@mail.aloha.net> The latest (August) issue of Sky & Telescope has the following tidbit: HEAVY-METAL FROST ON VENUS High atop Venusian mountain peaks is something strange: a deposit that is highly reflective to radio waves. Radar pings from Earth strongly suggest the presence of a semiconducting, likely semimetallic material coating the heights. Laura Schaefer and Bruce Fegley Jr. (Washington University in St. Louis) investigated more than 650 possible compounds that it might be. Previous groups had speculated that elemental tellurium was the substance on the mountaintops. However, Schaefer and Fegley found that solid Te won't condense below an altitude of 47 kilometers (29 miles) in Venus's hot, dense atmosphere, while the planet's highest mountains are only 10 km (33,000 feet) tall. However, the team found that the minerals galena (PbS) and bismuthite (Bi2S3) meet all of the necessary criteria. Bismuthite condenses above a mere 1.6 km, while galena could condense everywhere. Both agree with the dielectric constants that have been measured from orbit as well. Aloha, Bill From kahako at aloha.net Wed Aug 18 15:08:47 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 18 14:41:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava "tiles" and "scales" Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818114958.03710c70@mail.aloha.net> In a recent article in our local newspaper (The Hawaii Tribune-Herald) describing the Ka'u Desert Trail, the following description of the trail surface is given by correspondent Alan D. McNarie: ******** Like better-known Mauna Ulu on the Crater Rim Road, Mauna Iki is surrounded by a gigantic plain of black pahoehoe. Most of it was part if a massive 1971 flow, and is starting to show its age. As the pahoehoe pillows shrink and weather, they crack in patterns that often resemble overlapping scales. But if you look closely at each individual scale, there appears an odd transformation. Close-up, it looks almost like sodden brown fur. The surface is full of dark golden fibers reminiscent of Pele's hair, the spun glass created when a volcanic explosion stretches a bit of molten rock into hair-like golden strands. But here the strands seem to run in the same direction on a given lava pillow --- usually, but not always, uphill to downhill. Most of the Mauna Iki flows are of this fiberglass lizard-scale variety. But a half-hour to 45-minutes south on the Ka'u Desert Trail, a very different pahoehoe appears: hard as ceramic, smooth and shiny, glazed with yellow, orange and white minerals in delicate, snowflake-like dendritic patterns. This painted pahoehoe is laced with vertical cracks; for some reason, the mineral patterns stop about a quarter- to half-inch from the edge of each crack. The result is like walking over an uneven floor of natural, highly decorative ceramic tiles. What causes the differences between lizard-scale pahoehoe and painted-tile pahoehoe? A subject perhaps, for a vulcanologist to address in some future Volcano Watch column. *********** Aloha, Kitty From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 18 14:42:58 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Aug 18 14:42:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818113540.02ea0c90@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Hi Kitty, Was it on this list about half a year ago that Galena snow on Venus was allready discussed?? I tried to book a flight..... :-)) Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: 18 August 2004 23:49 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus The latest (August) issue of Sky & Telescope has the following tidbit: HEAVY-METAL FROST ON VENUS High atop Venusian mountain peaks is something strange: a deposit that is highly reflective to radio waves. Radar pings from Earth strongly suggest the presence of a semiconducting, likely semimetallic material coating the heights. Laura Schaefer and Bruce Fegley Jr. (Washington University in St. Louis) investigated more than 650 possible compounds that it might be. Previous groups had speculated that elemental tellurium was the substance on the mountaintops. However, Schaefer and Fegley found that solid Te won't condense below an altitude of 47 kilometers (29 miles) in Venus's hot, dense atmosphere, while the planet's highest mountains are only 10 km (33,000 feet) tall. However, the team found that the minerals galena (PbS) and bismuthite (Bi2S3) meet all of the necessary criteria. Bismuthite condenses above a mere 1.6 km, while galena could condense everywhere. Both agree with the dielectric constants that have been measured from orbit as well. Aloha, Bill _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at aloha.net Wed Aug 18 15:18:30 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 18 14:51:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818113540.02ea0c90@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818121611.037c2d30@mail.aloha.net> Could be. I can't find it under the topic "Galena." Bill says Sky & Telescope is not the quickest to pick up on news. Aloha, Kitty At 11:42 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: >Hi Kitty, > >Was it on this list about half a year ago that Galena snow on Venus was >allready discussed?? I tried to book a flight..... :-)) > >Cheers, >Maurice From ki3u at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 14:56:41 2004 From: ki3u at hotmail.com (Berj N. Ensanian) Date: Wed Aug 18 14:56:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus Message-ID: Now THAT IS interesting! Thanks for posting it. Berj >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:49:17 -1000 > >The latest (August) issue of Sky & Telescope has the following tidbit: > >HEAVY-METAL FROST ON VENUS >High atop Venusian mountain peaks is something strange: a deposit that is >highly reflective to radio waves. Radar pings from Earth strongly suggest >the presence of a semiconducting, likely semimetallic material coating the >heights. Laura Schaefer and Bruce Fegley Jr. (Washington University in St. >Louis) investigated more than 650 possible compounds that it might be. > >Previous groups had speculated that elemental tellurium was the substance >on the mountaintops. However, Schaefer and Fegley found that solid Te >won't condense below an altitude of 47 kilometers (29 miles) in Venus's >hot, dense atmosphere, while the planet's highest mountains are only 10 km >(33,000 feet) tall. However, the team found that the minerals galena (PbS) >and bismuthite (Bi2S3) meet all of the necessary criteria. Bismuthite >condenses above a mere 1.6 km, while galena could condense everywhere. >Both agree with the dielectric constants that have been measured from orbit >as well. > >Aloha, Bill > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jbryankramer at msn.com Wed Aug 18 15:01:52 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Aug 18 15:02:10 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818121611.037c2d30@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000001c4856e$fcad7760$6501a8c0@bryan> I think I posted a link back in february: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040210074951.htm Bryan -------Original Message----- -- --Could be. I can't find it under the topic "Galena." Bill says Sky & --Telescope is not the quickest to pick up on news. -- --Aloha, Kitty -- --At 11:42 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: -->Hi Kitty, --> -->Was it on this list about half a year ago that Galena snow --on Venus was -->allready discussed?? I tried to book a flight..... :-)) --> -->Cheers, -->Maurice -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 18 15:10:51 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Aug 18 15:10:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818121611.037c2d30@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: Sky & Telescope might be slow, but it is a great site! The Venus-Galena-snow thread could also have happened on e-min, the Belgian equivalent of Rockhounds. Never mind reposting, interplanetary mineralogy is always very interesting! Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: 19 August 2004 00:19 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Metal on Venus Could be. I can't find it under the topic "Galena." Bill says Sky & Telescope is not the quickest to pick up on news. Aloha, Kitty At 11:42 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote: >Hi Kitty, > >Was it on this list about half a year ago that Galena snow on Venus was >allready discussed?? I tried to book a flight..... :-)) > >Cheers, >Maurice _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jbryankramer at msn.com Wed Aug 18 18:26:37 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:26:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions In-Reply-To: <200407311548.i6VFmh5M002011@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000401c4858b$97104230$6501a8c0@bryan> They've found some new concretions on Mars, very interesting and look like tiny corel fossils almost: http://tinyurl.5raht Bryan From kahako at aloha.net Wed Aug 18 19:11:42 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:44:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions In-Reply-To: <000401c4858b$97104230$6501a8c0@bryan> References: <200407311548.i6VFmh5M002011@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <000401c4858b$97104230$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818160954.03717010@mail.aloha.net> I just tried and it said " http://tinyurl.5raht cannot be found" Kitty At 03:26 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: >They've found some new concretions on Mars, very interesting and look like >tiny corel fossils almost: > >http://tinyurl.5raht > >Bryan From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Aug 18 18:54:47 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:48:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions References: <000401c4858b$97104230$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <412406CB.456F@Tomaszewski.net> J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > They've found some new concretions on Mars, very interesting and look like > tiny corel fossils almost: > > http://tinyurl.5raht > > Bryan Bryan, I get a broken link from your tinyurl attempt. Can you please try again with the full link? Thanks! Kreigh From Lapadary at aol.com Wed Aug 18 18:52:38 2004 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:52:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions Message-ID: <78.5e9019e5.2e5561e6@aol.com> Try SPACE.COM, thenm look on the right of the screen. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jbryankramer at msn.com Wed Aug 18 18:57:56 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:58:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818160954.03717010@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000501c4858f$f6d55490$6501a8c0@bryan> Whoops should be http://tinyurl.com/5raht or http://tinyurl.com/3lu3v My bad. Bryan -------Original Message----- --From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com --[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of --Kitty & Bill Heacox --Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 22:12 --To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors --Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions -- -- --I just tried and it said " http://tinyurl.5raht cannot be found" -- --Kitty -- -- --At 03:26 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: -->They've found some new concretions on Mars, very interesting --and look -->like tiny corel fossils almost: --> -->http://tinyurl.5raht --> -->Bryan -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From jbryankramer at msn.com Wed Aug 18 19:26:40 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:26:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions In-Reply-To: <000501c4858f$f6d55490$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <000801c48593$f9ca2dc0$6501a8c0@bryan> Apparently Nasa is calling these new objects 'popcorn' as opposed to 'blueberries': http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=796 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm Bryan -------Original Message----- -- -- --Whoops should be http://tinyurl.com/5raht or http://tinyurl.com/3lu3v -- --My bad. -- --Bryan -- ---------Original Message----- ----From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com ----[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of ----Kitty & Bill Heacox ----Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 22:12 ----To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem --collectors ----Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] More Mars concretions ---- ---- ----I just tried and it said " http://tinyurl.5raht cannot be found" ---- ----Kitty ---- ---- ----At 03:26 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: ---->They've found some new concretions on Mars, very interesting ----and look ---->like tiny corel fossils almost: ----> ---->http://tinyurl.5raht ----> ---->Bryan ---- ----_______________________________________________ ----Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ----WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds ----Subscription Services: ----http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ---- -- -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From lanny at lrream.com Wed Aug 18 21:16:48 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Aug 18 21:16:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... In-Reply-To: <039001c48021$89afea60$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> References: <411AE994.5916@Tomaszewski.net> <039001c48021$89afea60$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> Message-ID: <96CBE4F0-F196-11D8-8CFA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> And the winner is: First off, this contest went astray. I really meant for it to be for a mineral, your favorite mineral, and that means a mineral in the true sense of what is commonly recognized as a mineral, and that does include opal. Secondly, I was looking for statements along the line of "My favorite mineral is petemodreskiite because.... " However, that didn't happen. The contest went astray from the very beginning and was just a lot of fun in a broad sense of what is "mineral." There were only 5 votes, 2 for Anita, 2 for Jimmy and one voted for two people (Kreigh and Gary). I agree with all of them, which of course doesn't work, there's only one book, not four. Thus, in the spirit of what this contest became, where there was no clear winner, based on who got the most votes (Anita and Jimmy), I voted for Jimmy Kuo's best mineral, because what it is about is one of my favorite parts of mineral collecting -- getting out and collecting minerals. His entry is below. Thanks to all who entered and played along. It was fun. As you noticed, I did not get out in the field this week, but expect to in a few days, thus the next book give away will have to wait until next week. It will be for a collection of 5 guides to NE'rn states. The contest is based on an idea from Kreigh's recent message. So, start thinking about writing a few paragraphs on a recent collecting trip (anything rockhound related) with the emphasis on why you went there and what you collected. No entries yet, wait until I lay out a few rules in a week. Regards, Lanny On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, > with > accompanying hours long tale. > > :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From libawc at emory.edu Thu Aug 19 08:35:35 2004 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Aug 19 08:35:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... In-Reply-To: <96CBE4F0-F196-11D8-8CFA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <000901c48602$2c275bd0$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Lanny: I think you made the right decision. I was wondering if I'd even be "eligible" to win seeing as how I won the first one. But now all bets are off and I can try for the next one! Gird thy loins. Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... And the winner is: First off, this contest went astray. I really meant for it to be for a mineral, your favorite mineral, and that means a mineral in the true sense of what is commonly recognized as a mineral, and that does include opal. Secondly, I was looking for statements along the line of "My favorite mineral is petemodreskiite because.... " However, that didn't happen. The contest went astray from the very beginning and was just a lot of fun in a broad sense of what is "mineral." There were only 5 votes, 2 for Anita, 2 for Jimmy and one voted for two people (Kreigh and Gary). I agree with all of them, which of course doesn't work, there's only one book, not four. Thus, in the spirit of what this contest became, where there was no clear winner, based on who got the most votes (Anita and Jimmy), I voted for Jimmy Kuo's best mineral, because what it is about is one of my favorite parts of mineral collecting -- getting out and collecting minerals. His entry is below. Thanks to all who entered and played along. It was fun. As you noticed, I did not get out in the field this week, but expect to in a few days, thus the next book give away will have to wait until next week. It will be for a collection of 5 guides to NE'rn states. The contest is based on an idea from Kreigh's recent message. So, start thinking about writing a few paragraphs on a recent collecting trip (anything rockhound related) with the emphasis on why you went there and what you collected. No entries yet, wait until I lay out a few rules in a week. Regards, Lanny On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, > with > accompanying hours long tale. > > :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Aug 19 09:27:51 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Aug 19 09:27:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... Message-ID: <081920041627.14542.4124D50700040656000038CE216046664807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Well, just for the record, I voted "privately" directly to Lanny, but I don't mind saying, I voted for your Calcite verse, Anita! But of course, Jimmy's words about collecting were well chosen, too. I'm surprised that only such a small number of people bothered to send something in--either with a vote, or an "entry". I think I'm surprised overall--that this Rockhounds email group doesn't have more (active?, or otherwise), members. With all the (tens of thousands?) of "rockhounds" and mineral collectors throughout the U.S. and world, and the large proportion of people who are internet-connected (notwithstanding the fact that, I'm sure a larger than typical proportion of "rockhounds" are traditionalist types (I don't want to say "old-timers"!) who may not be), I'm surprised that this email group doesn't have whole lot more active members. cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Anita Westlake" : -------------- > Lanny: > I think you made the right decision. I was wondering if I'd even be > "eligible" to win seeing as how I won the first one. But now all bets are > off and I can try for the next one! Gird thy loins. > > Anita > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... > > And the winner is: > > First off, this contest went astray. I really meant for it to be for a > mineral, your favorite mineral, and that means a mineral in the true > sense of what is commonly recognized as a mineral, and that does > include opal. Secondly, I was looking for statements along the line of > "My favorite mineral is petemodreskiite because.... " However, that > didn't happen. The contest went astray from the very beginning and was > just a lot of fun in a broad sense of what is "mineral." > > There were only 5 votes, 2 for Anita, 2 for Jimmy and one voted for two > people (Kreigh and Gary). I agree with all of them, which of course > doesn't work, there's only one book, not four. Thus, in the spirit of > what this contest became, where there was no clear winner, based on who > got the most votes (Anita and Jimmy), I voted for Jimmy Kuo's best > mineral, because what it is about is one of my favorite parts of > mineral collecting -- getting out and collecting minerals. His entry is > below. > > Thanks to all who entered and played along. It was fun. > > As you noticed, I did not get out in the field this week, but expect to > in a few days, thus the next book give away will have to wait until > next week. It will be for a collection of 5 guides to NE'rn states. The > contest is based on an idea from Kreigh's recent message. So, start > thinking about writing a few paragraphs on a recent collecting trip > (anything rockhound related) with the emphasis on why you went there > and what you collected. No entries yet, wait until I lay out a few > rules in a week. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > > On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > > > My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, > > with > > accompanying hours long tale. > > > > :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Thu Aug 19 10:06:18 2004 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Aug 19 10:06:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Wow, Kitty! You sound like you've been busy. Can I send all my broken stuff to you? Ha Ha. How many of those items ended up permanently affixed to your hand? Kinda makes rockhounding a lot harder with a marble vase and a remote control attached to your appendages. : ) Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:09 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab I've never used this on rock or mineral specimens, but "super glue" is great for certain repairs, covering dings, and, when used with "white powder (acrylic ester polymers & benzoyl peroxide)," you can fill in gaps and build new areas. "Super Glue" is now available with a paint-on brush in the nail-repair and artificial fingernail section of drug stores (OK, guys, you can be brave and look in this frivolous female area of a store). It's called Fingrs Brush-On Nail Glue. Not only is the brush easier to use for application, but the glue is less likely to dry up after opening the container than in the old standard tubes. The powder comes in a plastic vial and is called SuperNail White Powder. When you paint this glue on a crack, it flows quickly into the crack, and if you then wipe off the excess on the surface, often the crack is invisible. A dab on a chip or ding that appears white will make the white disappear, and there is no shiny blob like you would get with other glue or clear enamel. If you sprinkle a little white powder on wet glue, it makes the glue dry almost instantly into a sugary lump. You can fill large gaps by building up layers of glue and powder, and to cross large spaces or build new material, add bits of Kleenex or toilet paper, then glue, then powder. When these sugary areas are thoroughly dry (just a few minutes) they become extremely hard and can be smoothed with fine sandpaper and then painted or glazed. I've used this method to repair a ceramic vase, a refrigerator hydrator drawer, a soapstone figurine, a xerox copier paper tray, a TV remote, a marble bowl, and just a few minutes ago, an electronic attachment thingie for Bill's laptop. Obviously you have to be careful about the glue getting on your skin, but there are solvents that remove it. And for just a little bit on your fingertip, just rub it with an emery board or sandpaper! Aloha, Kitty At 10:02 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: >Hi folks: > >This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten up" a >calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles state because >of its darned softness. I have tossed several otherwise good specimens >because of scratches. I know about doctoring them with a little petroleum >jelly, but I was wondering if I could etch smooth a focal area of a >crystall with a little acid, or polish it some other way. I'm not >proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying customer, just my gullible firends. > >Paul Gilmore >Andover, MA _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lanny at lrream.com Thu Aug 19 10:07:14 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Aug 19 10:06:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... In-Reply-To: <000901c48602$2c275bd0$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> References: <000901c48602$2c275bd0$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <37EF64AA-F202-11D8-8CFA-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Anita, That's a nice thing for the runner up to say. There were no eligibility rules, past winners are welcome. Only a week to the next one! Lanny On Aug 19, 2004, at 8:35 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: > Lanny: > I think you made the right decision. I was wondering if I'd even be > "eligible" to win seeing as how I won the first one. But now all bets > are > off and I can try for the next one! Gird thy loins. > > Anita > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... > > And the winner is: > > First off, this contest went astray. I really meant for it to be for a > mineral, your favorite mineral, and that means a mineral in the true > sense of what is commonly recognized as a mineral, and that does > include opal. Secondly, I was looking for statements along the line of > "My favorite mineral is petemodreskiite because.... " However, that > didn't happen. The contest went astray from the very beginning and was > just a lot of fun in a broad sense of what is "mineral." > > There were only 5 votes, 2 for Anita, 2 for Jimmy and one voted for two > people (Kreigh and Gary). I agree with all of them, which of course > doesn't work, there's only one book, not four. Thus, in the spirit of > what this contest became, where there was no clear winner, based on who > got the most votes (Anita and Jimmy), I voted for Jimmy Kuo's best > mineral, because what it is about is one of my favorite parts of > mineral collecting -- getting out and collecting minerals. His entry is > below. > > Thanks to all who entered and played along. It was fun. > > As you noticed, I did not get out in the field this week, but expect to > in a few days, thus the next book give away will have to wait until > next week. It will be for a collection of 5 guides to NE'rn states. The > contest is based on an idea from Kreigh's recent message. So, start > thinking about writing a few paragraphs on a recent collecting trip > (anything rockhound related) with the emphasis on why you went there > and what you collected. No entries yet, wait until I lay out a few > rules in a week. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > > On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > >> My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, >> with >> accompanying hours long tale. >> >> :-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From lanny at lrream.com Thu Aug 19 10:10:41 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Aug 19 10:09:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... In-Reply-To: <081920041627.14542.4124D50700040656000038CE216046664807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <081920041627.14542.4124D50700040656000038CE216046664807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: I didn't count messages, but it feels like more people sent in messages with suggestions for the contest 3-4 weeks ago than entered this one or bothered to vote. Looking at the various messages during the last couple of weeks, there are a lot of active members, but this contest apparently didn't inspire them enough. Regards, Lanny On Aug 19, 2004, at 9:27 AM, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Well, just for the record, I voted "privately" directly to Lanny, but > I don't mind saying, I voted for your Calcite verse, Anita! > > But of course, Jimmy's words about collecting were well chosen, too. > > I'm surprised that only such a small number of people bothered to send > something in--either with a vote, or an "entry". I think I'm > surprised overall--that this Rockhounds email group doesn't have more > (active?, or otherwise), members. With all the (tens of thousands?) > of "rockhounds" and mineral collectors throughout the U.S. and world, > and the large proportion of people who are internet-connected > (notwithstanding the fact that, I'm sure a larger than typical > proportion of "rockhounds" are traditionalist types (I don't want to > say "old-timers"!) who may not be), I'm surprised that this email > group doesn't have whole lot more active members. > > cheers, Pete > > > -------------- Original message from "Anita Westlake" : -------------- > >> Lanny: >> I think you made the right decision. I was wondering if I'd even be >> "eligible" to win seeing as how I won the first one. But now all bets >> are >> off and I can try for the next one! Gird thy loins. >> >> Anita >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny >> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 AM >> To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... >> >> And the winner is: >> >> First off, this contest went astray. I really meant for it to be for a >> mineral, your favorite mineral, and that means a mineral in the true >> sense of what is commonly recognized as a mineral, and that does >> include opal. Secondly, I was looking for statements along the line of >> "My favorite mineral is petemodreskiite because.... " However, that >> didn't happen. The contest went astray from the very beginning and was >> just a lot of fun in a broad sense of what is "mineral." >> >> There were only 5 votes, 2 for Anita, 2 for Jimmy and one voted for >> two >> people (Kreigh and Gary). I agree with all of them, which of course >> doesn't work, there's only one book, not four. Thus, in the spirit of >> what this contest became, where there was no clear winner, based on >> who >> got the most votes (Anita and Jimmy), I voted for Jimmy Kuo's best >> mineral, because what it is about is one of my favorite parts of >> mineral collecting -- getting out and collecting minerals. His entry >> is >> below. >> >> Thanks to all who entered and played along. It was fun. >> >> As you noticed, I did not get out in the field this week, but expect >> to >> in a few days, thus the next book give away will have to wait until >> next week. It will be for a collection of 5 guides to NE'rn states. >> The >> contest is based on an idea from Kreigh's recent message. So, start >> thinking about writing a few paragraphs on a recent collecting trip >> (anything rockhound related) with the emphasis on why you went there >> and what you collected. No entries yet, wait until I lay out a few >> rules in a week. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lanny >> >> >> >> On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: >> >>> My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, >>> with >>> accompanying hours long tale. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From cjkuo at verizon.net Thu Aug 19 10:23:10 2004 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Thu Aug 19 10:23:12 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... Message-ID: <20040819172310.UTUH28868.out004.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Must have been the overwhelming resonance of what I wrote that noone needed to send in another entry after that. LOL. But I understood the intention of the contest and that's why I voted for Gary, because his entry actually made me go to Google and read and learn about another mineral. Lanny, thank you for doing this. Sorry to everyone else for not playing fair. Jimmy > From: Lanny > Date: 2004/08/19 Thu AM 10:10:41 PDT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... > > I didn't count messages, but it feels like more people sent in messages > with suggestions for the contest 3-4 weeks ago than entered this one or > bothered to vote. Looking at the various messages during the last > couple of weeks, there are a lot of active members, but this contest > apparently didn't inspire them enough. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Aug 19, 2004, at 9:27 AM, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > > Well, just for the record, I voted "privately" directly to Lanny, but > > I don't mind saying, I voted for your Calcite verse, Anita! > > > > But of course, Jimmy's words about collecting were well chosen, too. > > > > I'm surprised that only such a small number of people bothered to send > > something in--either with a vote, or an "entry". I think I'm > > surprised overall--that this Rockhounds email group doesn't have more > > (active?, or otherwise), members. With all the (tens of thousands?) > > of "rockhounds" and mineral collectors throughout the U.S. and world, > > and the large proportion of people who are internet-connected > > (notwithstanding the fact that, I'm sure a larger than typical > > proportion of "rockhounds" are traditionalist types (I don't want to > > say "old-timers"!) who may not be), I'm surprised that this email > > group doesn't have whole lot more active members. > > > > cheers, Pete > > > > > > -------------- Original message from "Anita Westlake" : -------------- > > > >> Lanny: > >> I think you made the right decision. I was wondering if I'd even be > >> "eligible" to win seeing as how I won the first one. But now all bets > >> are > >> off and I can try for the next one! Gird thy loins. > >> > >> Anita > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > >> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 AM > >> To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... > >> > >> And the winner is: > >> > >> First off, this contest went astray. I really meant for it to be for a > >> mineral, your favorite mineral, and that means a mineral in the true > >> sense of what is commonly recognized as a mineral, and that does > >> include opal. Secondly, I was looking for statements along the line of > >> "My favorite mineral is petemodreskiite because.... " However, that > >> didn't happen. The contest went astray from the very beginning and was > >> just a lot of fun in a broad sense of what is "mineral." > >> > >> There were only 5 votes, 2 for Anita, 2 for Jimmy and one voted for > >> two > >> people (Kreigh and Gary). I agree with all of them, which of course > >> doesn't work, there's only one book, not four. Thus, in the spirit of > >> what this contest became, where there was no clear winner, based on > >> who > >> got the most votes (Anita and Jimmy), I voted for Jimmy Kuo's best > >> mineral, because what it is about is one of my favorite parts of > >> mineral collecting -- getting out and collecting minerals. His entry > >> is > >> below. > >> > >> Thanks to all who entered and played along. It was fun. > >> > >> As you noticed, I did not get out in the field this week, but expect > >> to > >> in a few days, thus the next book give away will have to wait until > >> next week. It will be for a collection of 5 guides to NE'rn states. > >> The > >> contest is based on an idea from Kreigh's recent message. So, start > >> thinking about writing a few paragraphs on a recent collecting trip > >> (anything rockhound related) with the emphasis on why you went there > >> and what you collected. No entries yet, wait until I lay out a few > >> rules in a week. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lanny > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > >> > >>> My favorite mineral is one I've obtained with my own labor and sweat, > >>> with > >>> accompanying hours long tale. > >>> > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>> Subscription Services: > >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kahako at aloha.net Thu Aug 19 12:03:38 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Aug 19 12:06:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... In-Reply-To: <081920041627.14542.4124D50700040656000038CE216046664807059 C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <081920041627.14542.4124D50700040656000038CE216046664807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040819080327.038dde10@mail.aloha.net> I agree that there are regulars who make the majority of posts. But a lot depends on the topic. For example: When I announced the slightly off-topic story of rockhounding as therapy for the death of our dog, there were responses from people I'd never seen before in the past six years. Lanny's limerick contest produced far more responses than this latest one...was that because people like limericks better? ...or because they liked the prize better? or perhaps for this contest some were a bit hesitant because of the concern Rik recently expressed over frivolous topics. Finally, it's summer, and some people are on vacation. For what its worth, I did a quick estimate of the number of active members from looking at the messages I've saved, and came up with over 300, and about 75 who contribute fairly frequently. Aloha, Kitty At 06:27 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: >I'm surprised that only such a small number of people bothered to send >something in--either with a vote, or an "entry". I think I'm surprised >overall--that this Rockhounds email group doesn't have more (active?, or >otherwise), members. With all the (tens of thousands?) of "rockhounds" >and mineral collectors throughout the U.S. and world, and the large >proportion of people who are internet-connected (notwithstanding the fact >that, I'm sure a larger than typical proportion of "rockhounds" are >traditionalist types (I don't want to say "old-timers"!) who may not be), >I'm surprised that this email group doesn't have whole lot more active members. > >cheers, Pete From afox at drizzle.com Thu Aug 19 14:08:59 2004 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Aug 19 14:12:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: participation - was Free book -the winner is... Message-ID: The current list membership is 405 members, as of today. Of those, 68 are also subscribed to the digest version. Aaron Fox Rockhounds Admin -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Aug 19 14:30:01 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Aug 19 14:34:52 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to The Post Message-ID: <081920042130.24477.41251BD90000FDAF00005F9D216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> (P.S., John, I thought that one of the past messages actually established that new member Heather was from Wash. D.C., not Wash. State as everyone had assumed!) Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gemnance at houston.rr.com Thu Aug 19 15:32:47 2004 From: gemnance at houston.rr.com (Jim Nance) Date: Thu Aug 19 15:49:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <001301c4863c$74c8e860$b86dae18@houston.rr.com> I thought specimen rehab was faceting? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab > I've never used this on rock or mineral specimens, but "super glue" is > great for certain repairs, covering dings, and, when used with "white > powder (acrylic ester polymers & benzoyl peroxide)," you can fill in gaps > and build new areas. > > "Super Glue" is now available with a paint-on brush in the nail-repair and > artificial fingernail section of drug stores (OK, guys, you can be brave > and look in this frivolous female area of a store). It's called Fingrs > Brush-On Nail Glue. Not only is the brush easier to use for application, > but the glue is less likely to dry up after opening the container than in > the old standard tubes. The powder comes in a plastic vial and is called > SuperNail White Powder. > > When you paint this glue on a crack, it flows quickly into the crack, and > if you then wipe off the excess on the surface, often the crack is > invisible. A dab on a chip or ding that appears white will make the white > disappear, and there is no shiny blob like you would get with other glue or > clear enamel. If you sprinkle a little white powder on wet glue, it makes > the glue dry almost instantly into a sugary lump. You can fill large gaps > by building up layers of glue and powder, and to cross large spaces or > build new material, add bits of Kleenex or toilet paper, then glue, then > powder. When these sugary areas are thoroughly dry (just a few minutes) > they become extremely hard and can be smoothed with fine sandpaper and then > painted or glazed. I've used this method to repair a ceramic vase, a > refrigerator hydrator drawer, a soapstone figurine, a xerox copier paper > tray, a TV remote, a marble bowl, and just a few minutes ago, an electronic > attachment thingie for Bill's laptop. > > Obviously you have to be careful about the glue getting on your skin, but > there are solvents that remove it. And for just a little bit on your > fingertip, just rub it with an emery board or sandpaper! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 10:02 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: > >Hi folks: > > > >This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten up" a > >calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles state because > >of its darned softness. I have tossed several otherwise good specimens > >because of scratches. I know about doctoring them with a little petroleum > >jelly, but I was wondering if I could etch smooth a focal area of a > >crystall with a little acid, or polish it some other way. I'm not > >proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying customer, just my gullible firends. > > > >Paul Gilmore > >Andover, MA > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Thu Aug 19 18:59:39 2004 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Thu Aug 19 18:59:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... In-Reply-To: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> Hello, Just a suggestion, but some may be kinda like me... I consider myself a "rockhound" but I'm amazed at the amount of information that is generated sometimes on the list. So I don't usually speak up and say much, as much as I do just enjoy reading the banter and information... Like the debates about opal being a mineral or not was AMAZING to someone like me that just likes to collect "pretty" rocks and fossils as my wife would put it. I do belong to a club, but attend only periodically because of my newborn son... I play in the basement with my combination machine when I can, and I just don't feel I could offer much when it comes to the normal interactions on the list. ("My grandaddy used to say: 'It is better to be quite and thought the fool than to open your mouth and prove it.' " - unknown) The OTHER reason that may cause a drop is list interaction is how you receive it... I get enough spam in my email that I take the list in digest form (all the email's compacted together for the day.) This is really nice as I only have one to track, but is not very good when it comes to reply's and such... Don't forget to edit the subject (Like I forgot the other day...), Someone may already reply by the time I get to read the digest format, Messages get "lost" in the digest format because of all the messages running together... etc... Lastly, I would of been predicated towards my own and vote for it, so that didn't seem right.... Maybe I'll try and create some type of "digest reader" and that would be easier... yeah right, me programming... hahaha... Next time I'll try harder, but 25 words was a tough one... Maybe 50 words next time... or maybe a Haiku :) -Steve At 09:00 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:10:41 -0700 >From: Lanny >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >I didn't count messages, but it feels like more people sent in messages >with suggestions for the contest 3-4 weeks ago than entered this one or >bothered to vote. Looking at the various messages during the last >couple of weeks, there are a lot of active members, but this contest >apparently didn't inspire them enough. > >Regards, > >Lanny Stephen Shimatzki sjs132@accesstoledo.com http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 From jbryankramer at msn.com Thu Aug 19 19:40:39 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Aug 19 19:41:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040819080327.038dde10@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <001e01c4865f$19166650$6501a8c0@bryan> >From long experience on mailing lists, all the way back to BIX. I'd say 20% active is about standard if not better than average on any list. BK -------Original Message----- -- --I agree that there are regulars who make the majority of --posts. But a lot --depends on the topic. For example: When I announced the slightly --off-topic story of rockhounding as therapy for the death of --our dog, there --were responses from people I'd never seen before in the past six --years. Lanny's limerick contest produced far more responses --than this --latest one...was that because people like limericks better? --...or because --they liked the prize better? or perhaps for this contest --some were a bit --hesitant because of the concern Rik recently expressed over frivolous --topics. Finally, it's summer, and some people are on vacation. -- --For what its worth, I did a quick estimate of the number of --active members --from looking at the messages I've saved, and came up with --over 300, and --about 75 who contribute fairly frequently. -- --Aloha, Kitty -- -- --At 06:27 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: -->I'm surprised that only such a small number of people --bothered to send -->something in--either with a vote, or an "entry". I think --I'm surprised -->overall--that this Rockhounds email group doesn't have more --(active?, or -->otherwise), members. With all the (tens of thousands?) of --"rockhounds" -->and mineral collectors throughout the U.S. and world, and the large -->proportion of people who are internet-connected --(notwithstanding the fact -->that, I'm sure a larger than typical proportion of "rockhounds" are -->traditionalist types (I don't want to say "old-timers"!) who --may not be), -->I'm surprised that this email group doesn't have whole lot --more active members. --> -->cheers, Pete -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From morningstar at att.net Thu Aug 19 20:56:46 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Thu Aug 19 20:56:40 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> Message-ID: <4125767E.7060700@att.net> Steve Shimatzki wrote: > Just a suggestion, but some may be kinda like me... I consider myself a > "rockhound" but I'm amazed at the amount of information that is > generated sometimes on the list. So I don't usually speak up and say > much, as much as I do just enjoy reading the banter and information... > Like the debates about opal being a mineral or not was AMAZING to > someone like me Hi Steve, As someone who has opened his mouth and been a fool more than a few times, I can say you won't learn anything by being silent either! If you think you can't contribute, you can ask meaningful questions, and often many people learn from the answers to those questions. If you think the idea of opal not being a definitive mineral species is amazing, wait until you see what is in store for you. If you are ready for more, here is some additional excitement in the opal arena: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/birthstones/pages/opal.html If you want some nice bedtime reading, try this: http://www.minerals.net/mineral/silicate/tecto/quartz/opal.htm Here is some opal that will light up your life (search for 'hyalite' and look for the photos): http://www.gamineral.org/spruce-pine.htm Same concept: http://www.fluorescentminerals.com/commonopal.html Enjoy! Ask! Participate! Don From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 19 21:31:14 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Aug 19 21:26:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal and .... References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> <4125767E.7060700@att.net> Message-ID: <004801c4866e$898c14c0$7aa5490c@pete> Hey, Don, That first birthstone web page, > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/birthstones/pages/opal.html > has a good description of the nature and history of opal, but that nice colorful picture at the head of it--as I'm sure you, as a good erstwhile petrographer (?) will also notice, it's from a photomicrograph of a rock in crossed polarized light, probably with a gypsum plate or some other accesory in the light path to make for colorful colors, and the minerals visible in it are mica (muscovite?) and probably quartz; I doubt that there's any opal in that image! See, it just goes on and on, doesn't it! Cheers, Pete From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Fri Aug 20 03:03:34 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Aug 20 03:05:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081820041656.10015.41238A38000276910000271F21602807489D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <000201c4869d$131f6ab0$8d4127c4@privatehome> Hi everybody! Well, well, well. We seem to have beaten the USA with the "Belgian invasion.". We are expecting 22 Belgians here in South Africa who will be embarking on a three week tour under the leadership of Paul van de Velde. I hope to meet them at the airport on Monday morning 27th September. That evening members of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club (of which I was Chairman from 1967 to 2001) will be entertaining the group to a typical South African "braaivleis" (barbeque to the unitiated) at our Clubhouse, after which I will be presenting a slide show at our normal monthly meeting (which the group will also be attending) on 36 years of our GEMBOREES (the annual Easter weekend gathering of the South African rockhound community in a different part of the country each year. I am the only person who has attended all 36, having been organising chairman five times and a committee member on two other occassions). On the Tuesday morning I am hoping to accompany them to the Tswaing Meteor Crater, before they leave for Johannesburg to view a world-reknowned mineral collection. At the braaivleis we will have a selection of South African and Namibian beers available for the group. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals > > Ooops. This is an ongoing reference to the invitation to shower Axel and any member of his club with endless food and drink as a reward for recovering the stolen lunar samples. At some point this invitation was transmitted across the media in Belgium, and thereafter, due I suspect to some problem in translation, it was relayed to me that the invitation was construed as referring to the entire country of Belgium. Axel has since terrorized me with visions of bug-eyed, slavering Belgians beating down my door and putting me in debt to pay the bill for victuals. So far this has not happened; for the record, I have been able to entertain exactly two club members in person, both of whom ate like birds and drank like teetotalers, leaving grave doubts about the legendary party capability of said Belgians. Earl bought Axel lunch on my behalf when he was in Belgium, which sort of counts, but from what I heard there was no record-setting gluttony happening there either, further sha! > ttering the myth. > > By the way, that's Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen, which loosely translated means "Mineralogy Club of Antwerp." > > http://www.minerant.org/ > > In all seriousness, they've been trying to plan a group trip to the U.S. for some time now. We here in the mid-Atlantic will do everything we can to show them a great time and offer as many collecting and trading opportunities as possible. I had also hoped to let members on the list know when they are coming, in the event anyone else wants to meet with them or host them or rub Axel's belly for luck or whatever. So far, I see no invasion, but several of us are looking forward to meeting some long-distance friends and associates in person. > > These people are known for being pretty serious about their minerals, they have a great website (I suppose the Flemish parts are great too, I just need to assume at this point), several of them have been long-time list members, and I have also traded with some of them. They have been generous to the Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence and we have a case dedicated to their club (plaque is not up yet). Two of them have minerals named after them. So you can see why I am anxious to meet the gang. I know there are people on the list who might like to join in the festivities. > > So Pete, that's the story--reserve your plane ticket, I expect you here when the day comes! > > > Don > > > > > > > > One of us out here--who probably scans some of the list messages real quick and > > doesn't read (or remember!) everything all that carefully (I hope I'm not the > > only one on the list who is guilty of this)--is still trying to figure out, what > > the heck any of this refers to, and what the Belgian invasion means, and what in > > the world this stuff about the population rising and the "great blue yonder > > turning black" means, and also, my apology once again, Axel (I know I should > > know this), but what the MKA is?! > > > > (well, something about what you been discussing using all these arcane words & > > expressions & abbreviations--involves beer, so it can't be all bad!) > > > > Sorry to be so clueless... > > but cheers to all, > > Pete > > > > > > "Still waiting for the Belgian invasion" > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From morningstar at att.net Fri Aug 20 05:33:01 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Fri Aug 20 05:33:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal and .... Message-ID: <082020041233.13753.4125EF7D0009E27A000035B921603762239D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Oh good heavens. Yes, I thought the shapes and colors were odd for opal, but since the caption gives no magnification or filtration information, I had to presume it was some variety of opal I'd never seen and under high magnification. Of course that's why you have a Ph.D. and I don't; you can spot these things more quickly and with more certainty. I will write to the site later and ask them to confirm the ID of that thin section, and shame on them if it is wrong (which, on second glance, it most likely is). Eesh. Well, I can say with certainty and from personal experience that the photos in the other two links are exactly what they say they are! Rending clothes and wailing, Don > Hey, Don, > That first birthstone web page, > > > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/birthstones/pages/opal.html > > > has a good description of the nature and history of opal, but that nice > colorful picture at the head of it--as I'm sure you, as a good erstwhile > petrographer (?) will also notice, it's from a photomicrograph of a rock in > crossed polarized light, probably with a gypsum plate or some other accesory > in the light path to make for colorful colors, and the minerals visible in > it are mica (muscovite?) and probably quartz; I doubt that there's any opal > in that image! > > See, it just goes on and on, doesn't it! > Cheers, Pete > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at aloha.net Sat Aug 21 01:25:23 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Aug 21 00:58:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: <002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net> <002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> [Sorry, most of the following is off-topic, but some people might find it interesting---or funny!] At 07:06 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: >Wow, Kitty! You sound like you've been busy. Can I send all my broken stuff >to you? Ha Ha. Hi Anita, Actually I've been using Superglue and acrylic powder for many years---practically since artificial fingernails first came out, back in, what...the '70's? (though I assure you, I've never used the nails!). One broken thing I'm especially happy to have been able to repair is a ceramic vase I inherited from mu grandmother with 3-D roses applied on the outside. I was able to reconstruct some petals that were destroyed when then the vase tipped over during an earthquake. >How many of those items ended up permanently affixed to your hand? Kinda >makes rockhounding a lot harder with a marble vase and a remote control >attached to your appendages. : ) Yeah, like Tim Taylor on "Home Improvement" when he went to the emergency room with a piece of a table adhered to his forehead! In fact, once when I was working at a travel agency I wanted to open a tube of Superglue and didn't have anything to snip off the tip. So I thought I could carefully nip it off with my teeth. That worked. But a tiny bit of glue popped up---on just the middle front of my mouth---so about a centimeter of my upper and lower lips were instantly glued to my two front teeth. Just then an important client walked in and asked how I had progressed on his trip to Norway. Picture me trying to speak with only the outer edges of my mouth able to open! But seriously, there are safe and effective uses for Superglue, especially as I described with the white powder. Out of curiosity I just used a UV lamp to check a soapstone bowl I repaired with Superglue, and there was no sign of the glue. Aloha, Kitty > > >Anita > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill >Heacox >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:09 PM >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab > >I've never used this on rock or mineral specimens, but "super glue" is >great for certain repairs, covering dings, and, when used with "white >powder (acrylic ester polymers & benzoyl peroxide)," you can fill in gaps >and build new areas. > >"Super Glue" is now available with a paint-on brush in the nail-repair and >artificial fingernail section of drug stores (OK, guys, you can be brave >and look in this frivolous female area of a store). It's called Fingrs >Brush-On Nail Glue. Not only is the brush easier to use for application, >but the glue is less likely to dry up after opening the container than in >the old standard tubes. The powder comes in a plastic vial and is called >SuperNail White Powder. > >When you paint this glue on a crack, it flows quickly into the crack, and >if you then wipe off the excess on the surface, often the crack is >invisible. A dab on a chip or ding that appears white will make the white >disappear, and there is no shiny blob like you would get with other glue or >clear enamel. If you sprinkle a little white powder on wet glue, it makes >the glue dry almost instantly into a sugary lump. You can fill large gaps >by building up layers of glue and powder, and to cross large spaces or >build new material, add bits of Kleenex or toilet paper, then glue, then >powder. When these sugary areas are thoroughly dry (just a few minutes) >they become extremely hard and can be smoothed with fine sandpaper and then >painted or glazed. I've used this method to repair a ceramic vase, a >refrigerator hydrator drawer, a soapstone figurine, a xerox copier paper >tray, a TV remote, a marble bowl, and just a few minutes ago, an electronic >attachment thingie for Bill's laptop. > >Obviously you have to be careful about the glue getting on your skin, but >there are solvents that remove it. And for just a little bit on your >fingertip, just rub it with an emery board or sandpaper! > >Aloha, Kitty > > >At 10:02 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: > >Hi folks: > > > >This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten up" a > >calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles state because > >of its darned softness. I have tossed several otherwise good specimens > >because of scratches. I know about doctoring them with a little petroleum > >jelly, but I was wondering if I could etch smooth a focal area of a > >crystall with a little acid, or polish it some other way. I'm not > >proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying customer, just my gullible >firends. > > > >Paul Gilmore > >Andover, MA > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jbryankramer at msn.com Sat Aug 21 06:18:31 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Aug 21 06:18:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003d01c48781$5c53e730$6501a8c0@bryan> The newer versions of the retail cyanoarcrylate (super) glues are supposed to be less aggressive in gluing skin. I think they break down when exposed to water in the skin but I'm not sure of the mechanism. The original glue was developed as a surgical cement for use in Viet Nam. It does occur to me that the new reduced skin bonding material might be less effective as a glue tho. Acetone dissolves the stuff BTW in case you do get glued. Bryan -------Original Message----- -- --[Sorry, most of the following is off-topic, but some people --might find it --interesting---or funny!] -- -- At 07:06 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: -->Wow, Kitty! You sound like you've been busy. Can I send all --my broken -->stuff to you? Ha Ha. -- --Hi Anita, -- --Actually I've been using Superglue and acrylic powder for many --years---practically since artificial fingernails first came --out, back in, --what...the '70's? (though I assure you, I've never used the --nails!). One --broken thing I'm especially happy to have been able to repair --is a ceramic --vase I inherited from mu grandmother with 3-D roses applied --on the outside. --I was able to reconstruct some petals that were destroyed --when then the --vase tipped over during an earthquake. -- -->How many of those items ended up permanently affixed to your hand? -->Kinda makes rockhounding a lot harder with a marble vase and --a remote -->control attached to your appendages. : ) -- --Yeah, like Tim Taylor on "Home Improvement" when he went to --the emergency --room with a piece of a table adhered to his forehead! In --fact, once when I --was working at a travel agency I wanted to open a tube of --Superglue and --didn't have anything to snip off the tip. So I thought I --could carefully --nip it off with my teeth. That worked. But a tiny bit of --glue popped --up---on just the middle front of my mouth---so about a --centimeter of my --upper and lower lips were instantly glued to my two front --teeth. Just then --an important client walked in and asked how I had progressed --on his trip to --Norway. Picture me trying to speak with only the outer edges --of my mouth --able to open! -- --But seriously, there are safe and effective uses for --Superglue, especially --as I described with the white powder. Out of curiosity I --just used a UV --lamp to check a soapstone bowl I repaired with Superglue, and --there was no --sign of the glue. -- --Aloha, Kitty --> --> -->Anita --> --> -->-----Original Message----- -->From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com -->[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of --Kitty & Bill -->Heacox -->Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:09 PM -->To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem --collectors -->Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab --> -->I've never used this on rock or mineral specimens, but --"super glue" is -->great for certain repairs, covering dings, and, when used --with "white -->powder (acrylic ester polymers & benzoyl peroxide)," you can fill in -->gaps and build new areas. --> -->"Super Glue" is now available with a paint-on brush in the --nail-repair -->and artificial fingernail section of drug stores (OK, guys, --you can be -->brave and look in this frivolous female area of a store). --It's called -->Fingrs Brush-On Nail Glue. Not only is the brush easier to use for -->application, but the glue is less likely to dry up after opening the -->container than in the old standard tubes. The powder comes in a -->plastic vial and is called SuperNail White Powder. --> -->When you paint this glue on a crack, it flows quickly into --the crack, -->and if you then wipe off the excess on the surface, often --the crack is -->invisible. A dab on a chip or ding that appears white will make the -->white disappear, and there is no shiny blob like you would get with -->other glue or clear enamel. If you sprinkle a little white powder on -->wet glue, it makes the glue dry almost instantly into a --sugary lump. -->You can fill large gaps by building up layers of glue and --powder, and -->to cross large spaces or build new material, add bits of Kleenex or -->toilet paper, then glue, then powder. When these sugary areas are -->thoroughly dry (just a few minutes) they become extremely --hard and can -->be smoothed with fine sandpaper and then painted or glazed. --I've used -->this method to repair a ceramic vase, a refrigerator --hydrator drawer, a -->soapstone figurine, a xerox copier paper tray, a TV remote, a marble -->bowl, and just a few minutes ago, an electronic attachment --thingie for -->Bill's laptop. --> -->Obviously you have to be careful about the glue getting on --your skin, -->but there are solvents that remove it. And for just a little bit on -->your fingertip, just rub it with an emery board or sandpaper! --> -->Aloha, Kitty --> --> -->At 10:02 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: --> >Hi folks: --> > --> >This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten --> >up" a calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles --> >state because of its darned softness. I have tossed --several otherwise --> >good specimens because of scratches. I know about --doctoring them with --> >a little petroleum jelly, but I was wondering if I could --etch smooth --> >a focal area of a crystall with a little acid, or polish it some --> >other way. I'm not proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying --> >customer, just my gullible -->firends. --> > --> >Paul Gilmore --> >Andover, MA --> -->_______________________________________________ -->Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List -->WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds -->Subscription Services: -->http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --> --> -->_______________________________________________ -->Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List -->WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds -->Subscription Services: -->http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 06:30:48 2004 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Aug 21 06:30:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: <003d01c48781$5c53e730$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <20040821133048.11384.qmail@web51001.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, cyanoacrylate glues predate the Vietnam war by quite a bit. I remember using it at work (in a rubber research lab) as early as 1959 or 1960. Chemists were gluing their fingers together even then! Jim --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > The newer versions of the retail cyanoarcrylate > (super) glues are supposed > to be less aggressive in gluing skin. I think they > break down when exposed > to water in the skin but I'm not sure of the > mechanism. The original glue > was developed as a surgical cement for use in Viet > Nam. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 21 07:55:57 2004 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Aug 21 08:00:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Springfield Show References: <000e01c47c10$65fe44a0$398e4c0c@fekib><001101c47c73$c4191d40$5df64342@nathanqa8gl7gx> <66BD539E-E88D-11D8-9E71-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <000201c4878f$3cf85fc0$7c924c0c@fekib> One of the more interesting specimens I noticed at the Springfield show was some new Vivianite from Bolivia being handled by Rock Currier (Jewel Tunnel). Rock had perhaps 6-8 flats of loose crystals, labelled Potosi, Savedra, Bolivia. These were all in the miniature range, and were well formed, transparent to translucent, emerald green crystals, about 1x2x4cm in size. Most had at least one termination, the only blemish being that all had small, broken attachment fragments of limonite(?). His prices were reasonable for these seldom seen crystals, in the $30-40 retail range. It is gratifying to see such beautiful pieces again coming out on the market. I don't know if this locale is the same as the original, Morococala one. but the crystals are very similar. I have an image posted on my web site for anyone interested. Larry Rush www.connroxminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Sat Aug 21 17:44:01 2004 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:43:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <20040822004353.62CCAEAAA96@delivery.infowest.com> Yeah, like Tim Taylor on "Home Improvement" when he went to the emergency room with a piece of a table adhered to his forehead! In fact, once when I was working at a travel agency I wanted to open a tube of Superglue and didn't have anything to snip off the tip. So I thought I could carefully nip it off with my teeth. That worked. But a tiny bit of glue popped up---on just the middle front of my mouth---so about a centimeter of my upper and lower lips were instantly glued to my two front teeth. Just then an important client walked in and asked how I had progressed on his trip to Norway. Picture me trying to speak with only the outer edges of my mouth able to open! >But seriously, there are safe and effective uses for Superglue, especially >as I described with the white powder. Out of curiosity I just used a UV >lamp to check a soapstone bowl I repaired with Superglue, and there was no >sign of the glue. Aloha, Kitty I have even heard that surgeons use a type of super glue to repair incisions (no stitches!) So once, when I had a deep (dried out) crease in my thumb (like a gash) that would not grow back together, I tried using a bit of super glue. It worked! And after a few days the gash was gone! Cheers! Margaret From morningstar at att.net Sat Aug 21 17:46:20 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:46:19 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <4097952.1092842338505.JavaMail.uportal@KIL-UPT-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca> References: <4097952.1092842338505.JavaMail.uportal@KIL-UPT-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca> Message-ID: <4127ECDC.2070507@att.net> Hi Ronnie, > In that case I have a question, roughly how much optical power would be needed? *** I'm not sure what the minimum activation threshold would be--that would make a nice experiment. I know my SuperBright emits a peak of approximately 130 microwatts per sq. cm of 253.5 nm UV at 24"--take "approximately" to heart because output varies widely based on temperature, humidity, age of the bulb, and in the case of SW, age of the filter, since the filter transmission degrades (solarizes) over time. I would imagine that most commercial lights have a peak emission of 50-100 uW/cm2 under comparable conditions. > An electronic detector would also allow another interesting experiment. People always say about a mineral that the phosphorescence is great - it lasts X sec (or minutes). With an electronic system, you could measure the 'halflife' of the phosphorescence, and get a numerical figure to compare to other minerals. *** You are wise--and that's exactly what you can do with the fluorescence spectrophotometer we borrowed. It measures the entire duration of phosphorescence as a decay curve over time. It only measures intensity (brightness) vs. time--it couldn't measure the color, since the color changes continually as the phosphorescence fades and that extra dimension of measurement is beyond the capability of an instrument such as this. Best, Don From kahako at aloha.net Sat Aug 21 18:23:25 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:56:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net> <002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040821142647.02ee3a80@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, I just received a new book by Stuart Schneider: "Collecting Fluorescent Minerals," that I ordered from George Polman. I thought I'd let you all know that my impression is that the book is great! I haven't read all the text yet, but the photos are superb. The book is a soft cover (8.5x11-inch), with 192 pages and 846 color photographs. The pages are high-quality, heavy-weight, glossy paper. The format of showing multiple photos of a specimen to show its appearance in daylight, and then under UV, sometimes at different wavelengths, is excellent. The price is $32 including shipping within continental US. Note, this is more of a review than an ad. I'm not representing George in any way---in fact he doesn't even know I'm posting this message. I was just so impressed I thought I should let you all know! You can see more about the book at: www.polmanminerals.com/books.htm And you can reach George at polmans@cox.net Aloha, Kitty From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Aug 22 00:04:02 2004 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 22 00:04:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... References: <001e01c4865f$19166650$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <01b401c48816$34c99260$6401a8c0@mchsi.com> Some of us just don't have enough knowledge in the face of all the real experts on the list, so we just lurk and learn...quite happily. I enjoy 98% of all the posts. Even the technical posts.....whether I can understand them or not. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... > >From long experience on mailing lists, all the way back to BIX. I'd say 20% > active is about standard if not better than average on any list. > > From rockcurrier at cs.com Sun Aug 22 01:55:35 2004 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sun Aug 22 01:53:57 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21 References: <200408220101.i7M11JJp024143@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00de01c48825$ca2ef8e0$eef9a5d8@Rock5> Dear Paul, Probably the best acid to use when "cleaning" up calcite is hydrocloric acid. This is standard muriatic acid that you can buy in almost any hardware store and is commonly used to adjust the acidity of swimming pools. Tons of various colored calcite chunks of calcite of various colors, especially from Mexico are routinely diped in hydrochloric acid to "acid polish" the pieces. The common onyx carvings produced in Mexico and seen abundantly in rock shops abundantly during the last 30 or more years is all finished with an acid polish. If you are looking to touch up mineral specimens you should consider diluting the concentrated pool acid with about five parts water to one part acid. A small ammount of this acid will go a long way in touching up specimens. Use rubber gloves and eye protection when working with acids. The concentrated hydrochloric acid emits strong fumes and you should work with it in a well ventilated lace and make sure the wind is blowing away from you. Once the acid is diluted you won't have any problems with the acid fumes. Keep a hose with running watter handy to dilute any spilled acid. You can use bicarbonate of soda to neutralize any spilled acid. One table spoon full of acid and five of water will be enough for most specimens. Just use a cotton tiped Q tip, stick it in the acit and rub it over the damaged area. When the acid filled Q tip contacts the calcite, there will be a little bubbling take place as the calcite reacts with the acid to produce a little carbon dioxide. Repeat this process as many times as needed to "clean" the specimen. If the calcite has a dull surface and you want to make it shiny, you can prepare enough of the diluted acid to imerce the entire specimen, but you might want to dilute the acid more to 10 to 1 rather than 5 to one as suggested above. When you put the specimen in the acid, the calcite will react vigerously with the acid creating lots of carbondioxide bubbles. Leave it in only a few seconds, take it out and wash it off with lots of water. Let the specimen dry and observe the result. You may want to dip the specimen again to increase the shine. You will quickly learn how long you will need to leave the specimen in the acid to get the results you want. If you are cleaning a lot of specimens or removing calcite to expose more desirable crystals growing beneath the calcite the acid will be come progressively weaker in reacting with the calcite. You will in this case want to add a little fresh acid to maintain its reaction rate with the calcite. You must be carefull not to use too much acid because if you do it will become aparent to an experienced eye that the specimen has been acid diped. They have a peculiar scaloped surface that you seldom see on natural calcite speicmens. In addition, some dealers use various kinds of oil to fill in cracks and enhance the look of specimens. The miners in Tsumeb used to use a particular brand of sun block in spray cans to doctor up their calcite specimens. They could quickly wash off the excess spray, but you could always tell a treated specimen because the perfume in the spray would linger and you could smell the treatment. The new Bolivian vivianite comes from a new "mine". You can quickly spot it because it comes associated with a distinctive red sandstone that is unlike any other locality that I know of. The crystals are not large and are usually less than 2 inches but many of the crystals are a beautiful transparent green and if it were not for its softness and great cleavage many of the crystals would cut great gems. The full locality is the Conutillos Mine, near Colavi, Potosi Department, Bolivia. The "mine" is about a km down the canyon from the Canutillos mine and was discovered by a mineral dealer who was waking down the canyon near some old mill workings and noticed short black prismatic crystals in the wall of the canyon. These turned out to be weathere vivianite and a little drilling and blasting produced beautiful green fresh vivianites in small caveties in the red sandstone. The miners from two of the local mines started mining the spot for the specimens and started fighting over them and the "mine" was closed for a while. We don't know how prolific the locality will be, but so far several thousand specimens have been produced. The new mine has perhaps 100 meters of workings so far and how many more meters of tunnel will be made chasing the specimens is any ones guess. Rock From BNMJEFF at aol.com Sun Aug 22 04:48:32 2004 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 22 04:48:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... Message-ID: <1dc.29979201.2e59e210@aol.com> I agree with Jeanette. As a lurker for many years here, this is a great list and despite my 7+ years as a "rockhound", which is a split second in geological time compared to some on the list, I still feel humbled by the knowledge of some of the members on this list. I could not tell you much about what I collect, chemically anyway, but I know miinerals in general. As editor of my clubs newsletter, I appreciate the content of this newsletter. Many times it has sent me to Google to research and write articles. The list is a great catalyst. I also agree with J. Bryan..20% particitation seems to be the magic number in just about anything. Our club has a little over 200 members and there are about 35 or so members who do pretty much everything. It has always been that way, in any club I have been in. There are many who just like to belong, and for whatever reason they have in their personal lives, they don't participate. Jeff --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dwest122 at comcast.net Sun Aug 22 07:10:34 2004 From: dwest122 at comcast.net (Dave West) Date: Sun Aug 22 07:10:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... References: <1dc.29979201.2e59e210@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c48851$caca98a0$d50a3c44@westp1nnb5h9zg> One more lurker/learner checking in here. This list is often way over my head but I can say it has pushed me to research and learn more in a year than I thought possible. Also, it is amazing how much information subtly "sinks in" only to re-appear at moments of conversation with other novice rockhounds. I was off line for about a month following a move. That was a miserable dry spell from lurking on this list. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... > I agree with Jeanette. As a lurker for many years here, this is a great list > and despite my 7+ years as a "rockhound", which is a split second in > geological time compared to some on the list, I still feel humbled by the knowledge of > some of the members on this list. I could not tell you much about what I > collect, chemically anyway, but I know miinerals in general. As editor of my clubs > newsletter, I appreciate the content of this newsletter. Many times it has > sent me to Google to research and write articles. The list is a great catalyst. > > I also agree with J. Bryan..20% particitation seems to be the magic number in > just about anything. Our club has a little over 200 members and there are > about 35 or so members who do pretty much everything. It has always been that > way, in any club I have been in. There are many who just like to belong, and for > whatever reason they have in their personal lives, they don't participate. > > Jeff > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Aug 22 07:24:49 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Aug 22 07:24:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net><002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu><6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20040821142647.02ee3a80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <001201c48853$c879dff0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Hi Kitty, We bough it to! I'm expecting my (signed!) copy in September at the MKA meeting. Now that I hear the hallelujahs from across the pond, my expectations are even higher.... "Halloween" Stuart 's book better be good now ;-)))))) Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book > Hi List, > > I just received a new book by Stuart Schneider: "Collecting Fluorescent > Minerals," that I ordered from George Polman. I thought I'd let you all > know that my impression is that the book is great! I haven't read all the > text yet, but the photos are superb. The book is a soft cover > (8.5x11-inch), with 192 pages and 846 color photographs. The pages are > high-quality, heavy-weight, glossy paper. The format of showing multiple > photos of a specimen to show its appearance in daylight, and then under UV, > sometimes at different wavelengths, is excellent. The price is $32 > including shipping within continental US. > > Note, this is more of a review than an ad. I'm not representing George in > any way---in fact he doesn't even know I'm posting this message. I was > just so impressed I thought I should let you all know! You can see more > about the book at: www.polmanminerals.com/books.htm And you can reach > George at polmans@cox.net > > Aloha, Kitty > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Aug 22 07:52:27 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Aug 22 07:52:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals References: <081820041656.10015.41238A38000276910000271F21602807489D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <000201c4869d$131f6ab0$8d4127c4@privatehome> Message-ID: <002e01c48857$a4c20ed0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Horst wrote: > Well, well, well. We seem to have beaten the USA with the "Belgian > invasion.". We are expecting 22 Belgians here in South Africa who will be > embarking on a three week tour under the leadership of Paul van de Velde. I was asked to stay behind and guard the country while so many of us are abroad.... Just in case if Liechtenstein or the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg should try something.... 22 no less... It's gonna be a lonely place here for a while... Just one of those things you have to deal with when you live in a small country... Cheers Axel From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sun Aug 22 08:11:37 2004 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:10:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question Message-ID: Hi all, I received an e-mail with the following question and I have no idea what the answer is. The guy asks "Which is worth more, Jadite or Nephrite Jade, of the same size and quality?" I know he really means "In general, which will cost more?" since the worth (or value) of something depends on a person's perception of the product. Can anyone answer this? Thanks, Bob Loeffler From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Aug 22 08:22:15 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:22:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]was color fading in minerals and became invasion References: <081820041656.10015.41238A38000276910000271F21602807489D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <006c01c4885b$d014ebd0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> H?h?, I get the hint (LOL) I can assure you that I have to go on a diet SOON. But when we get there.... oh boy.... food reserves in the US will srink... beer levels will fall... Compared to us Attilla and Genghis Kahn were blushing virgins. Dishwashers, both human and mechanical, tremble when our names are spoken... corn fields faint and herds of longhorn and bizon falter and flee... cooks go on prozac and...and... > Earl bought Axel lunch on my behalf when he was in Belgium, which sort of counts, but from what I heard there was no record-setting gluttony happening there >either, further shattering the myth. Hahaaaaaaaaaaa! The trickster! He told me it was his birthday.... ;-)))))) > By the way, that's Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen, which loosely translated means "Mineralogy Club of Antwerp." Actually, last time that subject came up on a meeting we decided that we would "officially"go by the name of Antwerp Mineralogical Society. In "Mineralogische Kring" , "kring" is best translated litrally as "circle", which translates better as society than as club. > > http://www.minerant.org/ > > In all seriousness, they've been trying to plan a group trip to the U.S. for some time now. We here in the mid-Atlantic will do everything we can to show them a great time and offer as many collecting and trading opportunities as possible. I had also hoped to let members on the list know when they are coming, in the event anyone else wants to meet with them or host them or rub Axel's belly for luck or whatever. For the moment you'd need both hands to do that... Hence the diet... > So far, I see no invasion, but several of us are looking forward to meeting some long-distance friends and associates in person. > These people are known for being pretty serious about their minerals, they have a great website (I suppose the Flemish parts are great too, I just need to assume at this point), several of them have been long-time list members, and I have also traded with some of them. They have been generous to the Thomas S. Warren Museum of Fluorescence and we have a case dedicated to their club (plaque is not up yet). Two of them have minerals named after them. So you can see why I am anxious to meet the gang. I know there are people on the list who might like to join in the festivities. > > So Pete, that's the story--reserve your plane ticket, I expect you here when the day comes! You heard the man, Pete ;-))) Until we meet in a not to distant future Axel From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Sun Aug 22 08:27:08 2004 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:29:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question References: Message-ID: <004401c4885c$7cbdd180$6402a8c0@remains> strictly speaking gemmologically, the value of two (as close as possible) identical coloured cabs of nephrite or jadeite are, as follows: Jadeite (green): 13 x 8mm $3000 (range is $3000 to $50,000) Nephrite: 14 x 10 Fine Green $6.00 now, the jadeite and nephrite figures are based on "the Guide" of fall/winter 2001-2002. This is the standard guide to gemstone prices for the industry, albeit a couple of years old. There is a supplement which I do not have in front of me which lists the codes for the various colours of jadeite. This is what the range above is based on. I am assuming the the lower end ($3000) would be for mottled beige colours, whereas the higher end ($50,000) would be for deep lavenders. So, even on the basis of the worst colour available, market wise jadeite is still worth at least 500 times what nephrite is..... what it is worth to an indivdual person is another story..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question > Hi all, > > I received an e-mail with the following question and I have no idea what the > answer is. The guy asks "Which is worth more, Jadite or Nephrite Jade, of > the same size and quality?" I know he really means "In general, which will > cost more?" since the worth (or value) of something depends on a person's > perception of the product. Can anyone answer this? > > Thanks, > > Bob Loeffler > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 22 08:41:36 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:36:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net><002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu><6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net><6.1.2.0.0.20040821142647.02ee3a80@mail.aloha.net> <001201c48853$c879dff0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <001001c4885e$83567040$eca3490c@pete> Hi to Axel, Kitty, and others, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and make some comments on a book I haven't personally seen yet, only heard about it (from several informed people) second hand. As I'm sure many of you have likewise also heard, the book does have many shortcomings. I understand that the pictures are good (perhaps, excellent--as I said, I haven't seen them), but that the captions and other information about the fluorescent specimens contain many inaccuracies--mis-stated or misspelled localities, outdated chemical formulas, and confusion about the proper names for the minerals--mix-up between names of varieties, groups, and true mineral species. The author, as he acknowledges, is not a longtime mineral collector but a devotee of "collectible objects" who lately turned his attention to minerals and compiled a collection and made it the subject of the latest book in his series collectibles. I'm told it would have benefited much if he'd asked some more knowledgeable collector(s) to review the information before publication. Now, quite possibly, only an experienced collector will notice the errors, and most readers will just enjoy the good pictures, and not belabor or even be aware of the (numerous?) minor errors in the mineral information. Of course, one can always go to some more authoritative mineralogy book as a source for more accurate information. I'm sure I will buy a copy of the book myself, and that it will be worth having; I just haven't done so yet. And of course if I find my comments here were not on target once I've actually seen the book, I'll write back and make amends. best regards to all, Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book > Hi Kitty, > > We bough it to! > I'm expecting my (signed!) copy in September at the MKA meeting. > Now that I hear the hallelujahs from across the pond, my expectations are > even higher.... > "Halloween" Stuart 's book better be good now ;-)))))) > > Cheers > > Axel > From tutor at tuks.co.za Sun Aug 22 08:49:13 2004 From: tutor at tuks.co.za (Johan Lubbe) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:49:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Message-ID: <1093189753.4128c07954296@student.up.ac.za> Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan From ki3u at hotmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:13:53 2004 From: ki3u at hotmail.com (Berj N. Ensanian) Date: Sun Aug 22 09:13:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Message-ID: Welcome Johan I've seen and handled "Herkimer Diamonds". My reaction was one of "ho-hum", since I expected more with the word "diamond". They are nice and interesting of course, and perhaps somewhat rare, but I suspect the "specialness" is partly due to commercial promotion. Berj >From: Johan Lubbe >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction >Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:49:13 +0200 (SAST) > > >Greetings from South Africa folks! > >Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan >Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my >hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part >of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. > >What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double >terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their >crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? > >Regards >Johan > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From kadok at infowest.com Sun Aug 22 09:31:07 2004 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Aug 22 09:30:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <1093189753.4128c07954296@student.up.ac.za> Message-ID: <20040822163057.A58A4EAA5B9@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan Hi, Johann; Welcome to Rockhounds! In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can only have a termination on one end. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at aloha.net Sun Aug 22 11:38:44 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:11:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book In-Reply-To: <001001c4885e$83567040$eca3490c@pete> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040818092708.034ca8f0@mail.aloha.net> <002a01c4860e$d8131590$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20040821142647.02ee3a80@mail.aloha.net> <001201c48853$c879dff0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <001001c4885e$83567040$eca3490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040822080526.028d90d0@mail.aloha.net> Hi all, I regret having given a premature review of this book. Actually all I reviewed was the pictures, and they are the largest collection of photos of fluorescence I've ever seen. I'm not enough of an expert to be able to properly evaluate the captions and text, but will take the word of the true experts, like Pete Modreski and Earl Verbeek, that there are numerous errors. This book has the potential to inspire interest in this special area of collecting---it certainly has the "Ooooh and Aaaah" factor! But if it ends up confusing and misinforming people, that will be a shame. I hope Stuart Schneider will publish a second edition with the errors corrected. The excellent photos alone are worth the effort of a revised version. Aloha, Kitty At 05:41 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote: >Hi to Axel, Kitty, and others, > >I'm going to go out on a limb here, and make some comments on a book I >haven't personally seen yet, only heard about it (from several informed >people) second hand. > >As I'm sure many of you have likewise also heard, the book does have many >shortcomings. I understand that the pictures are good (perhaps, >excellent--as I said, I haven't seen them), but that the captions and other >information about the fluorescent specimens contain many >inaccuracies--mis-stated or misspelled localities, outdated chemical >formulas, and confusion about the proper names for the minerals--mix-up >between names of varieties, groups, and true mineral species. The author, >as he acknowledges, is not a longtime mineral collector but a devotee of >"collectible objects" who lately turned his attention to minerals and >compiled a collection and made it the subject of the latest book in his >series collectibles. I'm told it would have benefited much if he'd asked >some more knowledgeable collector(s) to review the information before >publication. Now, quite possibly, only an experienced collector will notice >the errors, and most readers will just enjoy the good pictures, and not >belabor or even be aware of the (numerous?) minor errors in the mineral >information. Of course, one can always go to some more authoritative >mineralogy book as a source for more accurate information. > >I'm sure I will buy a copy of the book myself, and that it will be worth >having; I just haven't done so yet. And of course if I find my comments >here were not on target once I've actually seen the book, I'll write back >and make amends. > >best regards to all, >Pete Modreski > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Axel Emmermann" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book > > > > Hi Kitty, > > > > We bough it to! > > I'm expecting my (signed!) copy in September at the MKA meeting. > > Now that I hear the hallelujahs from across the pond, my expectations are > > even higher.... > > "Halloween" Stuart 's book better be good now ;-)))))) > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From iamsable at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 22 12:12:07 2004 From: iamsable at sbcglobal.net (Karen T.) Date: Sun Aug 22 12:12:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction In-Reply-To: <20040822163057.A58A4EAA5B9@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. Margaret Malm wrote: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan Hi, Johann; Welcome to Rockhounds! In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can only have a termination on one end. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Have a wonderful Day! Karen T --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From adara at avalonsong.com Sun Aug 22 12:40:09 2004 From: adara at avalonsong.com (Adara Bryn) Date: Sun Aug 22 12:40:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction In-Reply-To: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040822163057.A58A4EAA5B9@delivery.infowest.com> <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040822152537.01b8dbb0@avalonsong.com> At 03:12 PM 8/22/2004, you wrote: >My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have >been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a >multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other >times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on >the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones >and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've >delved in to this for 15 plus years. > >Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well >informed group here is greatly appreciated. Hi Karen! I'm new too. :) I haven't done an intro yet, but I live in Atlanta, GA and I am also into the vibrational healing aspects of gemstones; I joined the list to help me get a better understanding of the physical aspects of them. Please feel free to write me off list! Best, Adara The sky and its stars make music in you. ? Denderah Temple wall inscription, Egypt From Docia1154 at aol.com Sun Aug 22 13:47:26 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 22 13:47:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book Message-ID: on the line of flourescent minerals, do any of you have a good link to where to buy an inexpensive battery operated black light. I've been told of a place near here - an old silver mine - that flourescent minerals can be found - that it is real neat to go at night with a black light. so any sources? Thanks, Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Aug 22 14:15:19 2004 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Aug 22 14:15:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] participation vs lurking References: <1dc.29979201.2e59e210@aol.com> <001901c48851$caca98a0$d50a3c44@westp1nnb5h9zg> Message-ID: <002801c4888d$20cae2b0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I spend more time lurking than contributing unless the topic is something of particular interest or a question hasn't been answered fully by someone who answers first. I'm a person who spends as little time as possible on-line (too many other things after work or on weekends rate a higher priority). Since I talk to people about fossils every day as part of my job, it is easy to spend my free time in the background - kind of like listening! I do welcome discussions about invertebrate fossils, although my expertise evaporates before or after the Paleozoic or the farther one gets from Kentucky / Indiana. I do appreciate the connections from these and other e-groups for planning vacations. It was helpful with my Bancroft trip earlier this summer, and a trip to Vancouver Island a few years ago. I hope to make some contacts in the San Diego area before the family vacation next year. Alan G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave West" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] participation - was Free book -the winner is... > One more lurker/learner checking in here. This list is often way over my > head but I can say it has pushed me to research and learn more in a year > than I thought possible. Also, it is amazing how much information subtly > "sinks in" only to re-appear at moments of conversation with other novice > rockhounds. > I was off line for about a month following a move. That was a miserable dry > spell from lurking on this list. > DaveW From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 22 14:34:27 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sun Aug 22 14:34:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Karen, First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of (gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have a weak health because they visit often and buy various stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like 'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting stamps or growing tomatoes.... cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction Hello, My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. Margaret Malm wrote: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan Hi, Johann; Welcome to Rockhounds! In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can only have a termination on one end. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Have a wonderful Day! Karen T --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From iamsable at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 22 16:05:51 2004 From: iamsable at sbcglobal.net (Karen T.) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:05:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040822230551.16579.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Maurice, Thanks for the nice note. I just want to be sure to share that my class is very scientifically based and theoretical as well. I would not ever claim that physical illness could be cured by minerals. The class is about energy fields. All mass is energy. I invite anyone who is interested to take a look at the lecture given by Max Planck who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918. http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1918/planck-lecture.html Thanks to all and I certainly have no designs on convincing anyone of anything. There is so much that we do not know. Maurice de Graaf wrote: Hi Karen, First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of (gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have a weak health because they visit often and buy various stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like 'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting stamps or growing tomatoes.... cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction Hello, My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. Margaret Malm wrote: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan Hi, Johann; Welcome to Rockhounds! In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can only have a termination on one end. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Have a wonderful Day! Karen T --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Karen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ki3u at hotmail.com Sun Aug 22 16:31:02 2004 From: ki3u at hotmail.com (Berj N. Ensanian) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:31:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction Message-ID: Welcome Karen. Berj >From: "Karen T." >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction >Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:12:07 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello, > >My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have >been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a >multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other >times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the >various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and >their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in >to this for 15 plus years. > >Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well >informed group here is greatly appreciated. > > >Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. > > > >Margaret Malm wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction > > >Greetings from South Africa folks! > >Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan >Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my >hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part >of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. > >What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double >terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their >crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? > >Regards >Johan > > >Hi, Johann; > >Welcome to Rockhounds! > >In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly >terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, >and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing >from. So they can only have a termination on one end. > >Margaret >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >Have a wonderful Day! > >Karen T > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 16:31:39 2004 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:31:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kyanite Question - Folded Kyanite Crystals. In-Reply-To: <20040822230551.16579.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040822233139.60093.qmail@web20024.mail.yahoo.com> Gotta found out how uncommon these critters are. I know of a locatin that produces heavily folded kyanite crystals. I have found crystals folded into "u"'s, "w"'s,"m"'s and over folded "u"'s. hte crystals are a pretty blue with some gem quality clear areas in each stone. I have not found any true gemstones but ones oh so close. Any way I was wandereing if anyone has knowelege of other folded kyanite crystals and on to the bigger world of folded crystals in general. and yes I know mica crystals are heavly folded in shists ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jbryankramer at msn.com Sun Aug 22 16:37:42 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:37:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <20040822230551.16579.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c488a1$093a62b0$6501a8c0@bryan> That is an interesting lecture by Max Planck, but I think he was referring to black body radiation. Experimentally a black body is usually represented by a hollow container with a narrow slit in it. When heated the radiation emitted from the slit is called black body radiation and only depends, ideally, on the temperature of the container. Planck, Kirchoff, Boltzmann and others did a lot of work on this. It was important work that helped lead to quantum theory. The reason for the slit is that when you heat a solid mass of something you don't get black body radiation and the emissions vary with the material used. In other words you will get emission lines in the spectra. There are only 4 forces in nature: the electromagnetic, weak force, strong force and gravity. Nothing is known to radiate from crystals that doesn't radiate from any other chunk of matter. Bryan -- --Thanks for the nice note. I just want to be sure to share --that my class is very scientifically based and theoretical as --well. I would not ever claim that physical illness could be --cured by minerals. The class is about energy fields. All mass --is energy. I invite anyone who is interested to take a look --at the lecture given by Max Planck who won the Nobel Prize in --Physics in 1918. -- --http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1918/planck-lecture.html -- --Thanks to all and I certainly have no designs on convincing --anyone of anything. There is so much that we do not know. -- --Maurice de Graaf wrote: --Hi Karen, -- --First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of --(gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't --believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the --human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study --which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard --this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine --and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe --whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people --stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious --deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered --a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was --the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. -- --For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a --friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who --believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have --a weak health because they visit often and buy various --stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like --'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really --helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner --replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same --shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman --sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she --could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me --that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my --geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that --supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would --find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! -- --I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right --one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like --to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies --with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and --healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing --supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be --calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. -- --I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human --energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with --rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the --risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting --stamps or growing tomatoes.... -- --cheers, --Maurice -- -- -- -- -------Original Message----- --From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com --[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. --Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 --To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors --Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction -- -- --Hello, -- --My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined --recently and have been reading only until now. I am an --outside sales person for a multi-national company during the --day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be --teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the --various vibrational frequencies associated with different --gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human --energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. -- --Any personal experiences with this or advice form the --obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. -- -- --Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. -- -- -- --Margaret Malm wrote: -- -- -------Original Message----- --From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com --[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe --Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM --To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com --Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction -- -- --Greetings from South Africa folks! -- --Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My --name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of --Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other --Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to --Horst Windisch*. -- --What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they --are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz --crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them --unique or the location? -- --Regards --Johan -- -- --Hi, Johann; -- --Welcome to Rockhounds! -- --In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that --they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily --found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are --attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can --only have a termination on one end. -- --Margaret --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- --Have a wonderful Day! -- --Karen T -- -- -- ----- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- --multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ----- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- --Karen -- -- -- -- ----- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative -- text/plain (text body -- kept) -- text/html ----- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 22 16:44:59 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:44:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <20040822230551.16579.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi list, That is a different story. The interference of energy with crystals is a very interesting field in science. Many analytical tools to analyse minerals make use of this interaction. You rightfully mentioned Max Planck as founder of the quantum mechanics. This forms the basis of the theory of orbitals and therefore explains that bonds between different ions and atoms have specific amounts of energy. In all spectroscopic methods we make use of these specific amounts of energy to fingerprint minerals (or any other chemical substance). But in all these techniques the crystals do not reveal their 'energy levels' by themselves. You will need to actively radiate them with the correct amount of energy first. Only the correct amount of energy (we use to say wavelength) will trigger an absorbtion or emission of energy. The emision of energy is by the way nothing magical, but just the same energy as you put in before. Now you say all 'mass is energy'. That is correct, but the statement hardly applies to any minerals (I hope!!!!) This is the famous E=MC2 formula of Einstein. This one applies mostly of radioactive reactions. If for instance a uranium atom decayes all the way to lead and you will be able to weigh all the radiation particles (alpha and beta) and the new lead isotope. You will notice that a TINY fraction of the mass is missing. This is converted to energy (alpha, beta, gamma and heat). I'm of so happy that these reaction do not occur in our normal non radioactive life. The mass = energy statement is exactly the only exception I can agree with. Radioactive minerals DO have energy fields. Other minerals don't cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. Sent: 23 August 2004 01:06 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) Maurice, Thanks for the nice note. I just want to be sure to share that my class is very scientifically based and theoretical as well. I would not ever claim that physical illness could be cured by minerals. The class is about energy fields. All mass is energy. I invite anyone who is interested to take a look at the lecture given by Max Planck who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918. http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1918/planck-lecture.html Thanks to all and I certainly have no designs on convincing anyone of anything. There is so much that we do not know. Maurice de Graaf wrote: Hi Karen, First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of (gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have a weak health because they visit often and buy various stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like 'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting stamps or growing tomatoes.... cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction Hello, My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. Margaret Malm wrote: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan Hi, Johann; Welcome to Rockhounds! In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can only have a termination on one end. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Have a wonderful Day! Karen T --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Karen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pbhewitt at comcast.net Sun Aug 22 16:47:48 2004 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:49:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kyanite Question - Folded Kyanite Crystals. Message-ID: <000601c488a2$6eb39980$6401a8c0@netgear> I am interested in finding out where folded kyanite can be found. I know of a good place in Pennsylvania where blue and green kyanite blade clusters can be found along with the thick black blades and fans. On 8/22/2004 7:31:39 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > Gotta found out how uncommon these critters are. > > I know of a locatin that produces heavily folded > kyanite crystals. I have found crystals folded into > "u"'s, "w"'s,"m"'s and over folded "u"'s. hte > crystals are a pretty blue with some gem quality clear > areas in each stone. I have not found any true > gemstones but ones oh so close. Any way I was > wandereing if anyone has knowelege of other folded > kyanite crystals and on to the bigger world of folded > crystals in general. > > and yes I know mica crystals are heavly folded in > shists > > ===== > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From iamsable at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 22 16:52:36 2004 From: iamsable at sbcglobal.net (Karen T.) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:52:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <005f01c488a1$093a62b0$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <20040822235236.10412.qmail@web81201.mail.yahoo.com> Yes and my theory has to do with electromagnetic mostly. I have a "dumb energy" theory in regards to having a "charge' on something in your psyche and that the constant radiative energy ( provided by nature) of different minerals may help to break up the "charge" who knows, like I said it is a theory and my class is presented as such. not trying to convince anyone of anything. What becomes of the energy of a photon after complete emission? Does it spread out in all directions with further propagation in the sense of Huygens' wave theory, so constantly taking up more space, in boundless progressive attenuation? Or does it fly out like a projectile in one direction in the sense of Newton's emanation theory? In the first case, the quantum would no longer be in the position to concentrate energy upon a single point in space in such a way as to release an electron from its atomic bond, and in the second case, the main triumph of the Maxwell theory - the continuity between the static and the dynamic fields and, with it, the complete understanding we have enjoyed, until now, of the fully investigated interference phenomena - would have to be sacrificed, both being very unhappy consequences for today's theoreticians. J Bryan Kramer wrote: That is an interesting lecture by Max Planck, but I think he was referring to black body radiation. Experimentally a black body is usually represented by a hollow container with a narrow slit in it. When heated the radiation emitted from the slit is called black body radiation and only depends, ideally, on the temperature of the container. Planck, Kirchoff, Boltzmann and others did a lot of work on this. It was important work that helped lead to quantum theory. The reason for the slit is that when you heat a solid mass of something you don't get black body radiation and the emissions vary with the material used. In other words you will get emission lines in the spectra. There are only 4 forces in nature: the electromagnetic, weak force, strong force and gravity. Nothing is known to radiate from crystals that doesn't radiate from any other chunk of matter. Bryan -- --Thanks for the nice note. I just want to be sure to share --that my class is very scientifically based and theoretical as --well. I would not ever claim that physical illness could be --cured by minerals. The class is about energy fields. All mass --is energy. I invite anyone who is interested to take a look --at the lecture given by Max Planck who won the Nobel Prize in --Physics in 1918. -- --http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1918/planck-lecture.html -- --Thanks to all and I certainly have no designs on convincing --anyone of anything. There is so much that we do not know. -- --Maurice de Graaf wrote: --Hi Karen, -- --First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of --(gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't --believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the --human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study --which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard --this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine --and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe --whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people --stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious --deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered --a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was --the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. -- --For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a --friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who --believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have --a weak health because they visit often and buy various --stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like --'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really --helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner --replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same --shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman --sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she --could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me --that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my --geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that --supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would --find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! -- --I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right --one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like --to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies --with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and --healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing --supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be --calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. -- --I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human --energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with --rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the --risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting --stamps or growing tomatoes.... -- --cheers, --Maurice -- -- -- -- -------Original Message----- --From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com --[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. --Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 --To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors --Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction -- -- --Hello, -- --My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined --recently and have been reading only until now. I am an --outside sales person for a multi-national company during the --day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be --teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the --various vibrational frequencies associated with different --gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human --energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. -- --Any personal experiences with this or advice form the --obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. -- -- --Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. -- -- -- --Margaret Malm wrote: -- -- -------Original Message----- --From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com --[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe --Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM --To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com --Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction -- -- --Greetings from South Africa folks! -- --Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My --name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of --Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other --Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to --Horst Windisch*. -- --What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they --are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz --crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them --unique or the location? -- --Regards --Johan -- -- --Hi, Johann; -- --Welcome to Rockhounds! -- --In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that --they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily --found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are --attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can --only have a termination on one end. -- --Margaret --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- --Have a wonderful Day! -- --Karen T -- -- -- ----- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- --multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ----- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- --Karen -- -- -- -- ----- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative -- text/plain (text body -- kept) -- text/html ----- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From iamsable at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 22 17:01:49 2004 From: iamsable at sbcglobal.net (Karen T.) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:01:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040823000149.7492.qmail@web81206.mail.yahoo.com> just to clarify, each mineral has a vibrational frequency of it's own, otherwise it could not exist. That is the energy I am referring to. Maurice de Graaf wrote:Hi list, That is a different story. The interference of energy with crystals is a very interesting field in science. Many analytical tools to analyse minerals make use of this interaction. You rightfully mentioned Max Planck as founder of the quantum mechanics. This forms the basis of the theory of orbitals and therefore explains that bonds between different ions and atoms have specific amounts of energy. In all spectroscopic methods we make use of these specific amounts of energy to fingerprint minerals (or any other chemical substance). But in all these techniques the crystals do not reveal their 'energy levels' by themselves. You will need to actively radiate them with the correct amount of energy first. Only the correct amount of energy (we use to say wavelength) will trigger an absorbtion or emission of energy. The emision of energy is by the way nothing magical, but just the same energy as you put in before. Now you say all 'mass is energy'. That is correct, but the statement hardly applies to any minerals (I hope!!!!) This is the famous E=MC2 formula of Einstein. This one applies mostly of radioactive reactions. If for instance a uranium atom decayes all the way to lead and you will be able to weigh all the radiation particles (alpha and beta) and the new lead isotope. You will notice that a TINY fraction of the mass is missing. This is converted to energy (alpha, beta, gamma and heat). I'm of so happy that these reaction do not occur in our normal non radioactive life. The mass = energy statement is exactly the only exception I can agree with. Radioactive minerals DO have energy fields. Other minerals don't cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. Sent: 23 August 2004 01:06 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) Maurice, Thanks for the nice note. I just want to be sure to share that my class is very scientifically based and theoretical as well. I would not ever claim that physical illness could be cured by minerals. The class is about energy fields. All mass is energy. I invite anyone who is interested to take a look at the lecture given by Max Planck who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918. http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1918/planck-lecture.html Thanks to all and I certainly have no designs on convincing anyone of anything. There is so much that we do not know. Maurice de Graaf wrote: Hi Karen, First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of (gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have a weak health because they visit often and buy various stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like 'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting stamps or growing tomatoes.... cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction Hello, My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. Margaret Malm wrote: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Greetings from South Africa folks! Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? Regards Johan Hi, Johann; Welcome to Rockhounds! In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can only have a termination on one end. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Have a wonderful Day! Karen T --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Karen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Karen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 17:23:05 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:16:10 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal and .... In-Reply-To: <004801c4866e$898c14c0$7aa5490c@pete> References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> <4125767E.7060700@att.net> <004801c4866e$898c14c0$7aa5490c@pete> Message-ID: <1093220585.2743.8.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 23:31, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Hey, Don, > That first birthstone web page, > > > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/birthstones/pages/opal.html > > > has a good description of the nature and history of opal, but that nice > colorful picture at the head of it--as I'm sure you, as a good erstwhile > petrographer (?) will also notice, it's from a photomicrograph of a rock in > crossed polarized light, probably with a gypsum plate or some other accesory > in the light path to make for colorful colors, and the minerals visible in > it are mica (muscovite?) and probably quartz; I doubt that there's any opal > in that image! > > See, it just goes on and on, doesn't it! > Cheers, Pete It makes a nice abstract painting, though. Did you notice the blurb at the bottom of the page for a "poster" of the image? What is the difference between a "photomicrograph" and a "microphotograph"; or is there such a thing? john From morningstar at att.net Sun Aug 22 17:25:29 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:25:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] opal and .... In-Reply-To: <1093220585.2743.8.camel@localhost> References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> <4125767E.7060700@att.net> <004801c4866e$898c14c0$7aa5490c@pete> <1093220585.2743.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <41293979.8010506@att.net> john wrote: > > It makes a nice abstract painting, though. Did you notice the blurb at > the bottom of the page for a "poster" of the image? > > What is the difference between a "photomicrograph" and a > "microphotograph"; or is there such a thing? Hi, That one is easy. A photomicrograph is a photo taken through the microscope or other magnification device. A "microphotograph" would be a very tiny photograph. I learned that one a while ago in photomicrography class, and I believe it is also discussed in Jeff Scovill's book on photographing minerals. Best regards, Don From jbryankramer at msn.com Sun Aug 22 17:29:58 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:30:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <20040822235236.10412.qmail@web81201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101c488a8$56dbdfb0$6501a8c0@bryan> You are looking at the dual nature of electromagnetic radiation, sometimes it seems to be quantatised: a photon and sometimes it seems to be a wave. I hate to say this but it really doesn't come across too well in words and you have to get into some rather heavy maths to begin to understand it. You really need to more or less drop classical theories, like anything Newton produced, since the real work was done hundreds of years later in the late 1800's and early 1900's. As for what happens to a photon, it travels at the speed of light in whatever media it passing thru until it finally interacts with something. A photon emitted in a quasar 14 billion years ago can travel for 14 billion years until it hits a telescope mirror in Hawaii and is absorbed by the optics. The energy of the photon would be re-emitted as lower frequency radiation: heat. Thus one possible end for the universe is heat death when photons eventually all drop to a low energy form. Bryan -------Original Message----- --What becomes of the energy of a photon after complete --emission? Does it spread out in all directions with further --propagation in the sense of Huygens' wave theory, so --constantly taking up more space, in boundless progressive --attenuation? Or does it fly out like a projectile in one --direction in the sense of Newton's emanation theory? In the --first case, the quantum would no longer be in the position to --concentrate energy upon a single point in space in such a way --as to release an electron from its atomic bond, and in the --second case, the main triumph of the Maxwell theory - the --continuity between the static and the dynamic fields and, --with it, the complete understanding we have enjoyed, until --now, of the fully investigated interference phenomena - would --have to be sacrificed, both being very unhappy consequences --for today's theoreticians. -- -- -- -- --J Bryan Kramer wrote: --That is an interesting lecture by Max Planck, but I think he --was referring to black body radiation. Experimentally a black --body is usually represented by a hollow container with a --narrow slit in it. When heated the radiation emitted from the --slit is called black body radiation and only depends, --ideally, on the temperature of the container. Planck, --Kirchoff, Boltzmann and others did a lot of work on this. It --was important work that helped lead to quantum theory. -- --The reason for the slit is that when you heat a solid mass of --something you don't get black body radiation and the --emissions vary with the material used. In other words you --will get emission lines in the spectra. -- --There are only 4 forces in nature: the electromagnetic, weak --force, strong force and gravity. Nothing is known to radiate --from crystals that doesn't radiate from any other chunk of matter. -- --Bryan ---- ----Thanks for the nice note. I just want to be sure to share ----that my class is very scientifically based and theoretical as ----well. I would not ever claim that physical illness could be ----cured by minerals. The class is about energy fields. All mass ----is energy. I invite anyone who is interested to take a look ----at the lecture given by Max Planck who won the Nobel Prize in ----Physics in 1918. ---- ----http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1918/planck-lecture.html ---- ----Thanks to all and I certainly have no designs on convincing ----anyone of anything. There is so much that we do not know. ---- ----Maurice de Graaf wrote: ----Hi Karen, ---- ----First of all welcome to the group. The healing powers of ----(gem)stones always amuses me somewhat. Personally I don't ----believe crystals have any interaction whatsoever with the ----human body. I haven't yet seen any sound scientific study ----which proved otherwise. So until proven otherwise I regard ----this phenomenon more as a sort of 'religion'. That is fine ----and fortunately everybody is free to believe and not believe ----whatever they want. I only have serious problems with people ----stating that certain rocks will cure you from serious ----deseases like for instance cancer. Not long ago I encountered ----a 'dealer' on the internet that stated that tourmaline was ----the cure for cancer. That is, in my opinion, disgusting. ---- ----For the rest I'm just amused by this. The rockshop of a ----friend of mine is frequently 'invaded' by a few women who ----believe strongly in the power of stones. Apparently they have ----a weak health because they visit often and buy various ----stones. One of them entered the shop and said something like ----'Oh that amethyst was great!, You can see amethyst really ----helps against a headache.' On which the rockshop owner ----replied 'could be, but you bought a fluorite'.... In the same ----shop I bought a torbernite and some other rocks. The woman ----sat next to my pile of rocks and admired them. She said she ----could feel the energy comming off the stones. Great, learn me ----that trick and it saves me a fortune on batteries for my ----geiger counter! On mindat someone found a reference that ----supposedly Liroconite gives energy. Hell yeah, if I would ----find one, it would give me a lot of energy to dig further! ---- ----I will not pretent that my point of view is the only right ----one. On the contrary I'm open for a discussion. I would like ----to see how you manage to explain your vibrational energies ----with normal physics. The difference between a relegion and ----healing powers of crystals is that there is nothing ----supernatural about energy levels in crystals. They can all be ----calculated and explained by chemical and physical laws. ---- ----I think most of us benefit from the 'balancing of the human ----energy system' only in the way that beeing involved with ----rocks is a great hobby, which relaxes us and reducing the ----risk of a heart attack that way. But so could collecting ----stamps or growing tomatoes.... ---- ----cheers, ----Maurice ---- ---- ---- ---- ---------Original Message----- ----From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com ----[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Karen T. ----Sent: 22 August 2004 21:12 ----To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem --collectors ----Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction ---- ---- ----Hello, ---- ----My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined ----recently and have been reading only until now. I am an ----outside sales person for a multi-national company during the ----day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be ----teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the ----various vibrational frequencies associated with different ----gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human ----energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. ---- ----Any personal experiences with this or advice form the ----obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. ---- ---- ----Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. ---- ---- ---- ----Margaret Malm wrote: ---- ---- ---------Original Message----- ----From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com ----[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of --Johan Lubbe ----Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM ----To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com ----Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction ---- ---- ----Greetings from South Africa folks! ---- ----Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My ----name is Johan Lubbe and I am a student at the University of ----Pretoria. One of my hobbies are rocks and the other ----Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part of the PGMC *waves to ----Horst Windisch*. ---- ----What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they ----are double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz ----crystals. Is it their crystal structure that makes them ----unique or the location? ---- ----Regards ----Johan ---- ---- ----Hi, Johann; ---- ----Welcome to Rockhounds! ---- ----In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that ----they are doubly terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily ----found growing inside cavities, and in geodes, etc., and are ----attached to the wall that they are growing from. So they can ----only have a termination on one end. ---- ----Margaret ----_______________________________________________ ----Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ----WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds ----Subscription Services: ----http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ---- ---- ---- ----_______________________________________________ ----Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ----WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds ----Subscription Services: ----http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ---- ---- ----Have a wonderful Day! ---- ----Karen T ---- ---- ---- ------- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- ----multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ------- ----_______________________________________________ ----Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ----WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds ----Subscription Services: ----http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ---- ----_______________________________________________ ----Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ----WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds ----Subscription Services: ----http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ---- ---- ----Karen ---- ---- ---- ---- ------- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- --multipart/alternative ---- text/plain (text body -- kept) ---- text/html ------- ----_______________________________________________ ----Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ----WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds ----Subscription Services: ----http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ---- -- -- -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -- ----- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative -- text/plain (text body -- kept) -- text/html ----- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 18:06:10 2004 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Aug 22 18:06:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kyanite Question - Folded Kyanite Crystals. In-Reply-To: <000601c488a2$6eb39980$6401a8c0@netgear> Message-ID: <20040823010610.31717.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> In the little old state of Georgia about midway down between Atlanta and macon outside of Thomasville. --- Paul Hewitt wrote: > I am interested in finding out where folded kyanite > can be found. I know of a good place in > Pennsylvania where blue and green kyanite blade > clusters can be found along with the thick black > blades and fans. > > > On 8/22/2004 7:31:39 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list for rock and gem collectors > (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > > Gotta found out how uncommon these critters are. > > > > I know of a locatin that produces heavily folded > > kyanite crystals. I have found crystals folded > into > > "u"'s, "w"'s,"m"'s and over folded "u"'s. hte > > crystals are a pretty blue with some gem quality > clear > > areas in each stone. I have not found any true > > gemstones but ones oh so close. Any way I was > > wandereing if anyone has knowelege of other folded > > kyanite crystals and on to the bigger world of > folded > > crystals in general. > > > > and yes I know mica crystals are heavly folded in > > shists > > > > ===== > > Stephen F. Stover > > PH (281) 829-1102 > > xossfs@yahoo.com > > > > Wanting to hunt rocks > > and play games every day! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 18:19:24 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 18:12:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <00de01c48825$ca2ef8e0$eef9a5d8@Rock5> References: <200408220101.i7M11JJp024143@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <00de01c48825$ca2ef8e0$eef9a5d8@Rock5> Message-ID: <1093223964.2743.33.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 03:55, Rock Currier wrote: > Dear Paul, > Probably the best acid to use when "cleaning" up calcite is hydrocloric > acid. This is standard muriatic acid that you can buy in almost any hardware > store and is commonly used to adjust the acidity of swimming pools. Tons of > various colored calcite chunks of calcite of various colors, especially from > Mexico are routinely diped in hydrochloric acid to "acid polish" the pieces. > The common onyx carvings produced in Mexico and seen abundantly in rock > shops abundantly during the last 30 or more years is all finished with an > acid polish. I would caution to try this on a small piece that is not so important first. Inclusions in the "calcite" can have a dramatic effect on the final result. The Tri-State dolomite, for instance, weathers rather quickly to a dull finish, and acid does not clean it up; rather it makes matters worse. So if the calcite in question has Mg or Fe or whatever in it, the strong acid can have an effect which is not desirable. And the eternal question of just how much cleaning is proper before the specimen is "enhanced" has the answer of ...? john From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 18:20:58 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 18:14:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <1093189753.4128c07954296@student.up.ac.za> References: <1093189753.4128c07954296@student.up.ac.za> Message-ID: <1093224058.2743.34.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 10:49, Johan Lubbe wrote: > Greetings from South Africa folks! > What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double > terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their > crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? > > Regards > Johan Well, the "double terminated and absolutely water clear quartz" has something to do with it, not to mention twinning and inclusions, etc. But the vuggy rock in which they are found has no other form of quartz in it;how many other places are there like that? john From mela at bartnet.net Sun Aug 22 18:26:09 2004 From: mela at bartnet.net (Mel Albright) Date: Sun Aug 22 18:27:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Black body heat. References: <005f01c488a1$093a62b0$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <003101c488b0$4df59be0$f3b3950c@jessie> Whenever there are 2 objects in sight of each other and at different temperatures, heat wil be transferred from the warmer one to the cooler one by radiation. Engineers call this black body radiation even if neither is black. The efficiency and speed of heat transfer will depend upon surface coloring - the blacker the warm one the faster the heatis radiated. The blacker the cool one, the faster it will absorb energy. Or the reverse - consider aluminum foil insulation. From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 18:56:32 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 18:49:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <006101c488a8$56dbdfb0$6501a8c0@bryan> References: <006101c488a8$56dbdfb0$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <1093226192.2743.50.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 19:29, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > You are looking at the dual nature of electromagnetic radiation, sometimes > it seems to be quantatised: a photon and sometimes it seems to be a wave. I > hate to say this but it really doesn't come across too well in words and you > have to get into some rather heavy maths to begin to understand it. You > really need to more or less drop classical theories, like anything Newton > produced, since the real work was done hundreds of years later in the late > 1800's and early 1900's. > > As for what happens to a photon, it travels at the speed of light in > whatever media it passing thru until it finally interacts with something. A > photon emitted in a quasar 14 billion years ago can travel for 14 billion > years until it hits a telescope mirror in Hawaii and is absorbed by the > optics. The energy of the photon would be re-emitted as lower frequency > radiation: heat. > > Thus one possible end for the universe is heat death when photons eventually > all drop to a low energy form. > > Bryan What? Do you mean that Newton did not do any "real work"? Newton and Copernicus worked from a set of basic assumptions. The moderns work from a different set of basic assumptions. Newton's (and Copernicus') are still very useful to NASA. Does that photon have the same total energy when it was detected that it had when it left the quasar, assuming only frequency shift due to relative motion? And how do we know? What happens to that photon after it travels for who knows how many ages of the universe until it is red-shifted to absolute zero? Is it still energy? And how do we know? john From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 19:45:06 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 19:38:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <005f01c488a1$093a62b0$6501a8c0@bryan> References: <005f01c488a1$093a62b0$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <1093226197.2743.51.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 18:37, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > That is an interesting lecture by Max Planck, but I think he was referring > to black body radiation. Experimentally a black body is usually represented > by a hollow container with a narrow slit in it. When heated the radiation > emitted from the slit is called black body radiation and only depends, > ideally, on the temperature of the container. Planck, Kirchoff, Boltzmann > and others did a lot of work on this. It was important work that helped lead > to quantum theory. > > The reason for the slit is that when you heat a solid mass of something you > don't get black body radiation and the emissions vary with the material > used. In other words you will get emission lines in the spectra. > > There are only 4 forces in nature: the electromagnetic, weak force, strong > force and gravity. Nothing is known to radiate from crystals that doesn't > radiate from any other chunk of matter. > > Bryan There are only four forces in Physics (so far). As to Nature, who knows? john From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 19:45:09 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 19:38:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093229106.2743.95.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 18:44, Maurice de Graaf wrote: > Hi list, > Now you say all 'mass is energy'. That is correct, but the statement hardly > applies to any minerals (I hope!!!!) This is the famous E=MC2 formula of > Einstein. ... > The mass = energy statement is exactly the only exception I can agree with. > Radioactive minerals DO have energy fields. Other minerals don't > > cheers, > Maurice There seems to be a bit of confusion here about definitions. Insofar as matter is "frozen energy", and if a given substance is of definite composition, then it's total energy is a certain amount (via E=MC2), which is different from any other definite substance. Else it wouldn't be a discrete substance. Now that may not be very useful to mineralogy or any of the disciplines used to inform it, but it is a definite fact. Radioactive substances are those busily engaged in transforming themselves into other substances, giving up energy in the process. Understanding the process is quite useful for some diagnostics, not to mention certain strange and wonderful technologies ;) Similarly, we can use things like X-rays to coax out structural information about definite substances. This would not be possible without the total energy of the substance remaining constant and stable, even if "unstable" in transit during measurement. Physics, of course, is only concerned with the demonstrable and repeatable (?) effects observed in the world of substances. It has no concern with whether or not they interact with other "forces of Nature" which may or may not be out there. Others have decided to take a look at some of these other things. Sometimes they are bewilderingly wild in their discoveries, but that alone cannot discount the validity of the investigation. There is more than one view of the world. As Hamlet observed (if I remember the quote correctly): "There are more things under Heaven and Earth than we have dreamt of, Horatio ..." Maybe so. john From kahako at aloha.net Sun Aug 22 20:23:31 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Aug 22 19:56:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <1093229106.2743.95.camel@localhost> References: <1093229106.2743.95.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040822172050.03c3c7b0@mail.aloha.net> At 04:45 PM 8/22/2004, you wrote: >There is more than one view of the world. As Hamlet observed (if I >remember the quote correctly): "There are more things under Heaven and >Earth than we have dreamt of, Horatio ..." >Maybe so. >john Here's the correct one: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Aloha, Kitty From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 20:11:55 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:04:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] imaging software Message-ID: <1093230715.2743.104.camel@localhost> A short time ago during the discussion of digital cameras, someone mentioned the availability of astronomical software for download that averages out the noise in a set of digital images. I seem to have misplaced that e-mail. :( If you would be so kind, could you again note the site for the list. Is the software for Windows or Unix? (I can use either). Thanks. john From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 20:20:01 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040822172050.03c3c7b0@mail.aloha.net> References: <1093229106.2743.95.camel@localhost> <6.1.2.0.0.20040822172050.03c3c7b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <1093231201.2743.111.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 22:23, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > At 04:45 PM 8/22/2004, you wrote: > >There is more than one view of the world. As Hamlet observed (if I > >remember the quote correctly): "There are more things under Heaven and > >Earth than we have dreamt of, Horatio ..." > >Maybe so. > >john > > > Here's the correct one: > "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, > Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." > > Aloha, Kitty > Gracias, Kitty. john From jbryankramer at msn.com Sun Aug 22 20:13:59 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:14:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <1093229106.2743.95.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <006d01c488bf$40428990$6501a8c0@bryan> -- --There seems to be a bit of confusion here about definitions. --Insofar as matter is "frozen energy", and if a given --substance is of definite composition, then it's total energy --is a certain amount (via E=MC2), which is different from any --other definite substance. Else it wouldn't be a discrete --substance. Now that may not be very useful to mineralogy or --any of the disciplines used to inform it, but it is a definite fact. Huh? It matters not in the least what the composition is, 1.000000... Grams of anything has exactly the same energy as the same mass of anything else. E=mc**2 has no term for composition. --Physics, of course, is only concerned with the demonstrable --and repeatable (?) effects observed in the world of --substances. It has no concern with whether or not they --interact with other "forces of Nature" which may or may not --be out there. Others have decided to take a look at some of --these other things. Sometimes they are bewilderingly wild in --their discoveries, but that alone cannot discount the --validity of the investigation. There are four forces, period. If you can identify a fifth force you are guarenteed a Nobel prize. A few years ago there was some interest in a possible fifth force but experiments were not reproduceble. BK From jbryankramer at msn.com Sun Aug 22 20:21:36 2004 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:21:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <1093226192.2743.50.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <006e01c488c0$507a7ec0$6501a8c0@bryan> --What? Do you mean that Newton did not do any "real work"? --Newton and Copernicus worked from a set of basic assumptions. --The moderns work from a different set of basic assumptions. --Newton's (and Copernicus') are still very useful to NASA. Newtonian _mechanics_ are useful as the first approximentation, but NASA has to take other effects into consideration. The two probe which are so far out, the voyagers?, are demonstration some non-Newtonian behavior. Nwton of course is one of the giants in the pyrimid of knowledge but some of his work is dated. -- --Does that photon have the same total energy when it was --detected that it had when it left the quasar, assuming only --frequency shift due to relative motion? -- --And how do we know? The basic principal of science is that physics is the same everywhere. -- --What happens to that photon after it travels for who knows --how many ages of the universe until it is red-shifted to --absolute zero? Is it still energy? -- --And how do we know? The photon itself knows nothing of red or blue shifts, only an observer outside the photon will call it one or the other. This is relativity. The idea that it's red shifted to zero is meaningless. You need to find a good book on relativity. BK From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Aug 22 20:37:00 2004 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:37:31 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: List Participation References: <1dc.29979201.2e59e210@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c488c2$7345be40$6401a8c0@mchsi.com> "They" say: "In any organization, 10% of the people do 90 % of the work". And judging from church experience, and several clubs, you could use the same ratio for email list participation. Another list I'm on is the same way. There are many more lurkers than posters. I pipe up when I have something to say, but I'd much rather listen to those whose experience and knowledge gives them much to talk about. Hey, where else can you expound at will to a willing audience? BTW, I have another "you know you're a rockhound......if you go to Yellowstone Park, and you study and admire the rocks on the high side of the car, instead of the view over the dropoff." Jeanette > > I also agree with J. Bryan..20% particitation seems to be the magic number in > just about anything. Our club has a little over 200 members and there are > about 35 or so members who do pretty much everything. It has always been that > way, in any club I have been in. There are many who just like to belong, and for > whatever reason they have in their personal lives, they don't participate. > > Jeff > > > From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 21:05:19 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:58:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <006d01c488bf$40428990$6501a8c0@bryan> References: <006d01c488bf$40428990$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <1093233918.2743.139.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 22:13, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > -- > --There seems to be a bit of confusion here about definitions. > --Insofar as matter is "frozen energy", and if a given > --substance is of definite composition, then it's total energy > --is a certain amount (via E=MC2), which is different from any > --other definite substance. Else it wouldn't be a discrete > --substance. Now that may not be very useful to mineralogy or > --any of the disciplines used to inform it, but it is a definite fact. > > Huh? It matters not in the least what the composition is, 1.000000... Grams > of anything has exactly the same energy as the same mass of anything else. > E=mc**2 has no term for composition. Yes, that's true. But a "unit" of Oxygen does not have same "energy" as a "unit" of Galena. However you're right; it is a bit of a stretch. But then, these other-than-strictly-scientific investigations are stretching things beyond some normal paradigms. > --Physics, of course, is only concerned with the demonstrable > --and repeatable (?) effects observed in the world of > --substances. It has no concern with whether or not they > --interact with other "forces of Nature" which may or may not > --be out there. Others have decided to take a look at some of > --these other things. Sometimes they are bewilderingly wild in > --their discoveries, but that alone cannot discount the > --validity of the investigation. > > There are four forces, period. If you can identify a fifth force you are > guarenteed a Nobel prize. A few years ago there was some interest in a > possible fifth force but experiments were not reproduceble. > > > BK There are a few people in the world who are not particularly interested in the Nobel Prize. These four forces were abstracted mathematically from the real Universe as it is; they are in fact abstractions from a complex which we do not pretend to fully understand (I hope). Give me a mathematical abstraction which demonstrates the rise of Life from the four forces. And would you say that Life is not a force to be reckoned with? Perhaps not in Physics, except that Physics may not exist without it. Or does it? Yes; it does, says the physicist presumably. Well, so what? It is moot and of no interest if there is no intelligence to perceive it. Yours is a valid and dominant point of view, and a very useful one for thinking about the way things are. I agree with you most of the time. But we must remember that it's base is footed entirely by theory, which was, is, and always will be tentative, abstract, and revisionist. In fact, if one ponders history and the Universe, about the only certain thing is constant change, one of those neat little paradoxes that make things so interesting. john From arf at mc.net Sun Aug 22 21:34:41 2004 From: arf at mc.net (Jack Schmidling) Date: Sun Aug 22 21:35:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question References: <004401c4885c$7cbdd180$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <047f01c488ca$985dc530$2a5d70d1@S0033035959> Interesting stuff. I was just reading an old NG article about Jade and was really surprised to learn about the business. I am left with more questions than answers though. How on earth can two minerals of different chemical composition, hardness, color etc, be called Jade? How on earth can this treasure of the Orient (nephrite) be a non-descript color (unless you like mutton fat) and nearly worthless as you suggest? How on earth can green Jade as we all know it be worth tens of thousands of dollars and only known for a few hundred years? This is really a strange story. The NG article was from 1987 if anyone wants to read it. js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.netfirms.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.netfirms.com From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Aug 22 21:54:53 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Aug 22 21:47:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed (was:Another Introduction) In-Reply-To: <006e01c488c0$507a7ec0$6501a8c0@bryan> References: <006e01c488c0$507a7ec0$6501a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: <1093236892.2743.181.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 22:21, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > --What? Do you mean that Newton did not do any "real work"? > --Newton and Copernicus worked from a set of basic assumptions. > --The moderns work from a different set of basic assumptions. > --Newton's (and Copernicus') are still very useful to NASA. > > Newtonian _mechanics_ are useful as the first approximentation, but NASA has > to take other effects into consideration. The two probe which are so far > out, the voyagers?, are demonstration some non-Newtonian behavior. Nwton of > course is one of the giants in the pyrimid of knowledge but some of his work > is dated. Yes, the Voyagers are far beyond their estimated useful life and function and are showing some relativity effects. While they were within it, Newtonian mechanics served quite nicely. > -- > --Does that photon have the same total energy when it was > --detected that it had when it left the quasar, assuming only > --frequency shift due to relative motion? > -- > --And how do we know? > > The basic principal of science is that physics is the same everywhere. Which principal being a useful working assumption. It is somewhat less than an axiom which is accepted as unprovable prima facie. But how about that quasar photon? Does the assumption that things are the same everywhere tell us whether or not the initial energy is what we detect? > -- > --What happens to that photon after it travels for who knows > --how many ages of the universe until it is red-shifted to > --absolute zero? Is it still energy? > -- > --And how do we know? > > The photon itself knows nothing of red or blue shifts, only an observer > outside the photon will call it one or the other. This is relativity. The > idea that it's red shifted to zero is meaningless. You need to find a good > book on relativity. > > BK If the cosmic background radiation is the remnant left over after the conversion to mass, did it start out at 4 degrees above zero? It couldn't have if it expanded. And if that expansion continues at some point it will be at absolute zero, and have zero free energy. And that is the same as saying that it fell in frequency and lengthened in wave and continues to do so. And how could that be accomplished with any photon? As above. I think that the inability to do useful work, i.e., maximum entropy is a more useful insight. I was using the stretching of a wave over very long distances as a metaphor for approaching this state. I probably should have said cooling. john From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Sun Aug 22 21:58:50 2004 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun Aug 22 22:06:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question References: <004401c4885c$7cbdd180$6402a8c0@remains> <047f01c488ca$985dc530$2a5d70d1@S0033035959> Message-ID: <16e501c488cd$e17c4ef0$6402a8c0@remains> > How on earth can two minerals of different chemical composition, hardness, > color etc, be called Jade? Jade is a misnomer....technically, there is no real mineral jade. Jade is just a commonly used term describing both jadeite and nephrite. > > How on earth can this treasure of the Orient (nephrite) be a non-descript > color (unless you like mutton fat) and nearly worthless as you suggest? supply and demand. the most expensive jade (nephrite) on the planet (best colour available) is worth a max of $20 per kilo in tonne quantities. Do the math.....take a tonne of fine green nephrite, multiply 1000 kilos by 5000 (1000 grams per kilo, 5 carats per gram) for a total of 5,000,000 carats per tonne. Divide that by (roughly) 25% yield, and you are left with 1,250,000 carats. I can get cabs cut (at that volume) for $.12 each, so on the basis of each stone weighing 2 carats , you have about 600,000 stones. Multiply that by $0.12 each comes to $150,000 worth of cutting charges. The material has a finished value of about (retail) $12-15 per carat. So, for an investment of $20,000 (rough) plus cutting ($150,000) total of $170,000, you have finished product that, according to price guides, is worth approximately $15,000,000. Not bad for the investment. Saying it is worth nothing isn't really fair. The same value of high grade jadeite could easily fit into the palm of your hand. > > How on earth can green Jade as we all know it be worth tens of thousands of > dollars and only known for a few hundred years? Jade has been known for a lot longer than a few hundred years.....neolithic cultures had been using it all over Europe. Besides, why then is Paraiba tourmaline worth $40,000 per carat when tourmalines have really only been commercially available for less than 40 years? Supply and demand..... > > This is really a strange story. The NG article was from 1987 if anyone > wants to read it. > > js > > PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.netfirms.com/pow.htm > Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.netfirms.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Ted at crystalgems.com Sun Aug 22 22:06:38 2004 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Sun Aug 22 22:06:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed In-Reply-To: <1093229106.2743.95.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <001601c488ce$fc3c7e80$0200a8c0@gametime> I feel like I am sitting in an altered reality match. One side using real Physics, constants and math, the other side is using nebulous fantasies substituting as science. I certainly know Feynman is spinning in his grave on this physics discussion. Some insights: 1) Just to state a scientific principle is not using or understanding it. Using the terms photon, particle, energy and wave in the same sentence to prove a point is not physics, it is silliness. Is light energy? Or does it have energy? Light can be described as particles OR it may be described as waves. At no time are we able to prove or describe it as both at the same time. If the test is for particles, we find particles. If the test is for waves and frequency, we get waves and frequency. 2) Radioactive substances are NOT busy transforming into other things. They are unstable elements that depending on their particular nuclear configuration and instability are moving towards stability at a constant rate. Uranium is not working on becoming lead; it is losing incompatible components and eventually will reach stability as lead. Getting into the specific physics involved and the resulting math, explains why some of the radiation emitted during particle expulsion carries so much energy and can cause so much damage. What is the difference in this type of thinking? The former thought that radioactive substances are busy becoming something implies a concept of self and choice of change. Rocks are rocks, whether they happen to be crystalline or not and are subject to physical laws. Claim otherwise, well I'd like to see proof, not opinion. Claim it's a law of nature? OK. Give science details, not opinion. 3) Red shifted light from a star 14 billion years in passing is not approaching zero energy. The light is NOT slowing down! It has the same energy as initially emitted; all radiation follows this science. That is, till something physical absorbs that radiation. Furthermore, Light does not tire and slow down. Why do we call the light red shifted? Because, that is our perception of the light undergoing a Doppler effect between the emitting body and Earth. The speed of the light is unchanged, our perception of that light is different. 4) Matter is NOT frozen energy. This is such a spurious statement, that I will just insist on knowing the exact temperatures matter thaws into energy. 5) Energy in a mineral? Just what is under discussion here? I see references to the E=MCsquared potential nuclear energy in a mineral, but the discussion actually talks about energy of the mineral. I find myself wondering if we are we discussing what happens when that mineral is subjected to absolute zero? No? Some convolution of actual energy (heat) and potential E=MCsquared nuclear energy? Or is this just phrasing to frighten some of us? (I suspect the latter.) By the way, has anyone calculated the potential energy available from the nuclear structure of stable elements? There must be some, because if minerals are emitting/exuding energy from their nuclear structure then they are losing mass and we should be able to measure/quantify it. Even if we are discussing the physical aspect of "focusing" external energy through a crystal lattice there are formulas that determine this. That is how we know what frequency a given slice of quartz will oscillate at when subjected to an electric current. We, in the world of Rockhounds forum accept all comers. Just understand there is real physical science that establishes a fundamental basis to our understanding of minerals. We realize there are minor physical differences in mineral makeup that either differentiates a mineral or establishes it as part of a mineral family. This science is essential to understand why some minerals occur in any one location over another. Once you are outside of that strict physical description and boundary, we enter the realm of speculation. Prove, with real math and tests, these speculations and we easily accept them. Muddy the discussion with specious arguments and fantastic use of physics terms or concepts, and you prove the lack of validity of that concept. Back to the discussion: I know, I usually lurk; but I have difficulty with people throwing around science terms without regard real usage of those terms. We do not have a problem with people having a rapport with your rocks. Good Lord, we all have that! We just have a problem when voodoo pretends to be science. What does have to do with anything? As an example, I was also in a rock store one day and found that I had to go find something else to do instead of checking out. It seems the clerk was in discussion with a customer at the check out counter about the special and miraculous effects and emanations of amethyst... And I found myself wondering which amethyst they were talking about, and I almost asked. Why is this a puzzle? Amethyst is a general description of quartz with a purplish color. There is no one type of amethyst. Amethyst may be quartz tainted with ions that cause color, or it may have some color centers (electrons in orbit) shifted by radiation, or it may have faults in the crystal lattice... Further, is it amethyst formed by hydrothermal action? Or was it amethyst formed under metamorphic pressures? So which amethyst were they discussing? And which form caused the benefits? This same issue confronts virtually all crystals, minerals and metaphysicists. Common names are used that are often simple terms to define a color variation, but the crystal/mineral itself has a vast range of differences depending on specific chemical makeup, formation conditions and current situ. So basically, when someone starts talking about the "wonderful" metaphysical properties of a common name mineral, sorry, I can not believe you. Now if they could attribute the action specifically; to say the fe+ ions in the p orbit that is in the C alignment of the Quartz crystal lattice. Well, then I might be persuaded that someone might know what is going on with these minerals. To finally get to the point; we are rockhounds. For one reason or the other, we like to find and keep rocks. Many of us are actively engaged in finding and digging our own, others trade or purchase theirs and some sell them. We have a wonderful forum moderated by the incomparable A. Fox. The discussions range and rove but always stay within science and geology. We may use general terms like agate, amethyst, chalcedony, jasper, Herkimer diamonds, Mt. Ida Quartz, opal, or crystalline silicon dioxide but someone is always willing to discuss the scientific details and get into the real geological nitty gritty. I'm not about to tell you how fondly I stroke some of my rocks and I really don't want to know your pet rock is fueling your psyche. Tell me you love rocks and what wonderful varieties you have; where you got them; how you cleaned them; how you store them and where you keep or display them; and what people think of them. Ted Kowalski From Ted at crystalgems.com Sun Aug 22 23:10:11 2004 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Sun Aug 22 23:10:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question In-Reply-To: <047f01c488ca$985dc530$2a5d70d1@S0033035959> Message-ID: <001701c488d7$d9d779e0$0200a8c0@gametime> The jade questions really require more in depth response than I am about to give it. Our term jade is derived from the Spanish phrase "piedra de ijada" (Loin stone) because of it's reputed power to cure kidney ailments. The Chinese word "Yu" which we translate as Jade actually means any stone suitable for carving. The tourist trade in the orient often finds this adjusted to mean any carved greenish stone. Jade has been utilized by man since the stone ages. Usage (archeological) is documented back to 2100bc in China, Japan, Mayan, and the Artic small tool culture. Usage preceding 2500bc is documented in the Indus valley and Nile valley civilizations. To get right down to it, Jade has stayed with man through the ages because it is both useful and beautiful. Both nephrite and jadeite have similar properties especially in sense that is rarely defined, toughness. Both jadeite and nephrite are tough stones because of their mineral structure. Tough stones make good tools, especially for digging, defense and wood working. Somewhere along the way, beauty of the stone became more important and jade was carved for beauty or ceremonial reasons. When we get down to it, Jade has been highly valued since the beginning of man's civilizations. Technically, nephrite is not classified as a mineral, but a variety of the actinolite-tremolite series. The white-gray nephrite are usually closer to tremolite in composition while the green - yellow - brown are closer to actinolite. Chemical composition is usually listed as Ca2(Mg, Fe)5(OH)2(Si4O11)2 (sorry, I can't do subset numbers in email). The fibers of actinolite and tremolite must be interlocking for the stone to be called nephrite because the interlocking feature imparts the minerals toughness. Jadeite is a separate mineral species, a sodium aluminum silicate. Ideal composition of NaAl(SiO3)2. Jadeite may actually grade into other minerals in the pyroxene group. For example, it may include high concentrations of diopside or acmite. What causes the colors of Jade? Trace elements form many of the colors in jadeite. As an example the lavender shades can be caused by manganese or iron charge transfer. Color variations in nephrite are mostly attributed to increasing concentrations of iron. Green may have traces of chromium or diopside. The white and gray nephrite has much less iron. Jadeite can be almost any color. Nephrite is mostly a range of white, green, yellow brown, brown and black. What makes for value are those old standards of commerce; supply and demand. There are incredibly abundant supplies of nephrite throughout the world. Color and translucence of nephrite have more to do with value because of the sheer abundance of nephrite off colors (olive green to black). Jadeite is extremely scarce. Basically, Jadeite comes from one of several sources; Burma, Gautemala, California, Japan and Switzerland. When you really get down to it, fine color highly translucent jadeite is only available from Burma. The fine stuff is rare and highly sought after. What makes for the best color? Well, the mutton fat variety has the history behind it. It was reserved as privileged ornaments of the Chinese emperor (Laufer, 1912). Other than that, rarity and beauty of color, intensity of color, translucence, for example; a translucent bright medium green is usually more valuable; a dark olive complexioned opaque green is much less valued. For a really excellent work bout Jade I highly recommend the book "Jade" published by Lorenz Books. There are a number of contributing authors with consulting editor Roger Keverne. Ted Kowalski -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jack Schmidling Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:35 AM To: Michael Schmidt; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question Interesting stuff. I was just reading an old NG article about Jade and was really surprised to learn about the business. I am left with more questions than answers though. How on earth can two minerals of different chemical composition, hardness, color etc, be called Jade? How on earth can this treasure of the Orient (nephrite) be a non-descript color (unless you like mutton fat) and nearly worthless as you suggest? How on earth can green Jade as we all know it be worth tens of thousands of dollars and only known for a few hundred years? This is really a strange story. The NG article was from 1987 if anyone wants to read it. js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.netfirms.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.netfirms.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From libawc at emory.edu Mon Aug 23 06:19:49 2004 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon Aug 23 06:19:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040820185457.03948700@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003001c48913$de25a710$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> That's too funny. When I made that comment about things sticking to your hands, I didn't realize how tongue in cheek (or lip on teeth) it really was. I've used SuperGlue before, and it's next to impossible to open or close it without having it stick somewhere on your body. I use it to fix broken/split fingernails "below the quick" until they have a chance to grow out. This is topic related because I'm sure I'm not the only rockhound who has broken nails after a field trip! When trying to decide whether to repair a broken specimen or not, I'm guessing a repaired piece is more valuable than one thrown in the trash. Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:25 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab [Sorry, most of the following is off-topic, but some people might find it interesting---or funny!] At 07:06 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: >Wow, Kitty! You sound like you've been busy. Can I send all my broken stuff >to you? Ha Ha. Hi Anita, Actually I've been using Superglue and acrylic powder for many years---practically since artificial fingernails first came out, back in, what...the '70's? (though I assure you, I've never used the nails!). One broken thing I'm especially happy to have been able to repair is a ceramic vase I inherited from mu grandmother with 3-D roses applied on the outside. I was able to reconstruct some petals that were destroyed when then the vase tipped over during an earthquake. >How many of those items ended up permanently affixed to your hand? Kinda >makes rockhounding a lot harder with a marble vase and a remote control >attached to your appendages. : ) Yeah, like Tim Taylor on "Home Improvement" when he went to the emergency room with a piece of a table adhered to his forehead! In fact, once when I was working at a travel agency I wanted to open a tube of Superglue and didn't have anything to snip off the tip. So I thought I could carefully nip it off with my teeth. That worked. But a tiny bit of glue popped up---on just the middle front of my mouth---so about a centimeter of my upper and lower lips were instantly glued to my two front teeth. Just then an important client walked in and asked how I had progressed on his trip to Norway. Picture me trying to speak with only the outer edges of my mouth able to open! But seriously, there are safe and effective uses for Superglue, especially as I described with the white powder. Out of curiosity I just used a UV lamp to check a soapstone bowl I repaired with Superglue, and there was no sign of the glue. Aloha, Kitty > > >Anita > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill >Heacox >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:09 PM >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Specimen rehab > >I've never used this on rock or mineral specimens, but "super glue" is >great for certain repairs, covering dings, and, when used with "white >powder (acrylic ester polymers & benzoyl peroxide)," you can fill in gaps >and build new areas. > >"Super Glue" is now available with a paint-on brush in the nail-repair and >artificial fingernail section of drug stores (OK, guys, you can be brave >and look in this frivolous female area of a store). It's called Fingrs >Brush-On Nail Glue. Not only is the brush easier to use for application, >but the glue is less likely to dry up after opening the container than in >the old standard tubes. The powder comes in a plastic vial and is called >SuperNail White Powder. > >When you paint this glue on a crack, it flows quickly into the crack, and >if you then wipe off the excess on the surface, often the crack is >invisible. A dab on a chip or ding that appears white will make the white >disappear, and there is no shiny blob like you would get with other glue or >clear enamel. If you sprinkle a little white powder on wet glue, it makes >the glue dry almost instantly into a sugary lump. You can fill large gaps >by building up layers of glue and powder, and to cross large spaces or >build new material, add bits of Kleenex or toilet paper, then glue, then >powder. When these sugary areas are thoroughly dry (just a few minutes) >they become extremely hard and can be smoothed with fine sandpaper and then >painted or glazed. I've used this method to repair a ceramic vase, a >refrigerator hydrator drawer, a soapstone figurine, a xerox copier paper >tray, a TV remote, a marble bowl, and just a few minutes ago, an electronic >attachment thingie for Bill's laptop. > >Obviously you have to be careful about the glue getting on your skin, but >there are solvents that remove it. And for just a little bit on your >fingertip, just rub it with an emery board or sandpaper! > >Aloha, Kitty > > >At 10:02 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: > >Hi folks: > > > >This may be a controversial issue: does anyone know how to "neaten up" a > >calcite ding? Calcite is difficult to collect in a fllawlles state because > >of its darned softness. I have tossed several otherwise good specimens > >because of scratches. I know about doctoring them with a little petroleum > >jelly, but I was wondering if I could etch smooth a focal area of a > >crystall with a little acid, or polish it some other way. I'm not > >proposing illicit fakery to fool a paying customer, just my gullible >firends. > > > >Paul Gilmore > >Andover, MA > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From stu at arcrystalmine.com Mon Aug 23 08:27:19 2004 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (stu@arcrystalmine.com) Date: Mon Aug 23 08:27:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed References: <001601c488ce$fc3c7e80$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <00b901c48925$af97c150$6400a8c0@STUART> I HAVE PROOF.... I once had a customer walk in to my little rock shop and after a few minutes complained of a head ache caused by the extreme energy of the crystal. She had to leave for a while, but came back to purchase about $1000 in Arkansas crystals. A few days later a well known geologist visited my rock shop and purchased about $1000 in crystal.... without getting a headache. I don't understand the metaphysical or geological (scientific) purposes of crystals but I understand how to transform crystals in to dollar bills. I guess that is called "getting healed"? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Aug 23 08:39:39 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Aug 23 08:39:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c48927$69001740$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Hi Karen, Please don't feel insulted or ridiculed by the following. Since you came to the group for advice and sharing experience, I feel obliged to respond. I know some ladies that are interested in, as you so eloquently put it in pseudo-scientific language, "various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system." I tried to interest these ladies (belief in mineral healing powers seems to be an almost exclusively female trade) in the science of mineralogy.... I even showed them some REAL hidden powers of some minerals... have you ever seen a fluorescent mineral display? That will blow your socks off. One of the ladies I was preaching to (on our minerals show) insisted that I called her Wicca Alas, all discussions seemed to evolve in to the following stubborn twist: Wicca: "that's some heavy magic!!!" (standing before my fluorescent minerals cabinet, staring at a large calcite crystal that glowed fiercely red under UV). Me: "There's no magic involved here, just ultraviolet light". Wicca: "I can't believe that! Surely there must be some force that causes this crystal to glow?" Me: "No force, just some manganese and a tiny bit of lead. The only cosmic force involved here is the electro-magnetic force, which dictates that all charged particles must emit a photon when they lose energy." Wicca: "AHAAAA, so there IS some magnetic influence!!! Those magnetic forces are often hidden from us but they have healing powers... What does this crystal do for our body, what illnesses can it cure?" Me: "Wicca, please excuse me while I weep a little... I suddenly feel a bit depressed." Wicca: "I can help you there, do you have a piece of amber or chalcedony or clear quartz? Just rinse it under running water and let it charge overnight in the moonlight. Then put it under your pillow or wear it as a pendant. You'll feel better soon." Me: "sniff, sigh" You may think that I'm making fun of you, but I'm not. Regrettably, this discussion REALLY took place as I described. If you REALLY want to know why so many people believe that minerals have healing powers I can suggest some reading: delve into the work an research of professor Michael Persinger, a Canadian scientist who managed to reproduce various religious and "esoteric" experiences in his laboratory. There is a scientific explanation for the belief in "higher powers" or "cosmic forces" that so many people share. Persinger has identified exactly that part of our brain that tricks us into the world of esoterism. If you don not want to know the science behind your beliefs, do not read Persingers work. It will then leave you unhappy or chances are that you will deny the logic behind it and put it aside as nonsense. If you do, however, believe in the power of your mind and intellect over the figments that our brains serve us as placebos for the truth, you will find great solace in learning that your fate is not governed by anything else than chance and your own choices. Quite literally: "the truth shall set ye free". Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen T." To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction > Hello, > > My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in to this for 15 plus years. > > Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well informed group here is greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. > > > > Margaret Malm wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction > > > Greetings from South Africa folks! > > Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan > Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my > hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part > of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. > > What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double > terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their > crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? > > Regards > Johan > > > Hi, Johann; > > Welcome to Rockhounds! > > In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly > terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, > and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing > from. So they can only have a termination on one end. > > Margaret > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > Have a wonderful Day! > > Karen T > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From afox at drizzle.com Mon Aug 23 09:12:09 2004 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Aug 23 09:12:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] oh thy shall be healed In-Reply-To: <00b901c48925$af97c150$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: This is just a gentle warning. This thread is approaching becoming off-topic, and, as well, has a heck of a lot of potential to degenerate into a flame war between parties of opposite beliefs. As such, I'm requesting that we move to wrap this thread up before feelings get hurt. Thanks! Aaron Fox Rockhounds Admin -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From stu at arcrystalmine.com Mon Aug 23 09:25:55 2004 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (stu@arcrystalmine.com) Date: Mon Aug 23 09:25:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's Championship Quartz Crystal Dig References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c48927$69001740$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <002f01c4892d$deab2bf0$6400a8c0@STUART> Attention all Rockhounds!!! Our 18th annual World's Championship Quartz Crystal Dig will be held October 7, 8 & 9, in Mount Ida, AR. Come and dig in actual working quartz crystal mines in the heart of the Ouachita Mountains. Meet other miners, learn more about crystals and improve your digging skills. And, who knows, maybe you'll find that crystal you always dreamed about! A total of $1,500 in prize money will be awarded in the championship dig and the top three finishers in each of two divisions - quartz clusters and quartz points - will receive crystal trophies. There is an entry fee of $60 per person up to October 1 and $75 each thereafter. There are no refunds after October 1. Persons involved in the quartz mining business are ineligible. Contestants keep all the crystals they dig Entrants meet at the dig's assay office at the fairgrounds each morning of the contest, picking one of three designated crystal mines in the Mount Ida area in which to dig that day. Participating mines this year are Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine, Gee & Dee Brewster Mtn. Mine and Arrowhead Mine. Entrants may dig using only hand tools from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. daily; turning in the crystals they wish to enter to an on-site dig master. The dig masters take the crystals to the assay office where three judges assign dollar values to the mined clusters and points, which are then averaged. Winners are determined by the total, averaged value assigned to their finds. You can find out what happened at last year's Championship Dig on Chamber Web Site: http://www.mtidachamber.com/crystal_dig_info.htm To obtain contest rules and a registration form, phone the Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce at (870) 867-2723 or write P.O. Box 6, Mt. Ida AR 71957. Contest information is also available on the chamber's Web site at http://www.mtidachamber.com/ and entry forms downloaded from the site will be accepted. Late registration will be conducted at the fairgrounds. World's Championship Quartz Crystal Dig Committee Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Aug 23 10:23:54 2004 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Aug 23 10:24:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] oh thy shall be healed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412A282A.8090908@tenforward.com> Hi Aaron and All, From the side lines... Since this is winding down, and since this all began as an introduction..... Welcome! I've enjoyed this thread, and to be honest, I'm surprised that we've (Rockhounds@drizzle) have never really discussed it before at any length (perhaps for the reasons Aaron's sited). I believe that many of us (in general) desire to believe in something, at least something greater then ourselves. For some it's God, for others its... (fill in the blank). We all have our own belief systems (as an example, I've demonstrated my own in the above sentence), as long as we're not cramming it down anyone else's throat, hey, more power to ya. Incidentially, this is not a Free-For-All card to jump over the edge! Science is an inexact science at best. The world continues to evolve and our thoughts often lead the way. What we knew to be absolute truth one day can and is challenged often and on occasion, we (collectively) find that we were wrong. That we did not interpret the clues correctly. I'm smart enough to know that I don't have all the answers and that likely, most others don't either. We're all just trying to do our best (I hope) to find our place in this complex system we call life. Personally, I love my minerals. They represent so very much to me. I love formost the adventure of actually collecting my own specimens, delving into the mystery I like to think. In doing this, I definetly get vibed, heck, I get out and out charged up! I love it and it certainly helps me to combat my own demons by allowing me the chance to breath just a wee bit easier. Yup, busting my buns collecting crystals helps me to relax, go figure. I may not understand photon this and vibrational frequencys that, but I do understand that we're ALL (in my opinion) very fortunate to have found this wonderful thing, this common link that, whatever it's motivation, is a love for the mineral world which surrounds us. For me, this is enough. In diversity we find creation and rather then be blind, I'll keep my eyes open to the possibilities, I may not agree with everything that's said, but no one was really asking for my opinion anyway! :-) Have a great day all! John Aaron Fox wrote: >This is just a gentle warning. This thread is approaching becoming >off-topic, and, as well, has a heck of a lot of potential to degenerate >into a flame war between parties of opposite beliefs. > >As such, I'm requesting that we move to wrap this thread up before >feelings get hurt. > >Thanks! > >Aaron Fox >Rockhounds Admin > > > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Aug 23 10:29:30 2004 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Aug 23 10:29:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] World's Championship Quartz Crystal Dig In-Reply-To: <002f01c4892d$deab2bf0$6400a8c0@STUART> References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c48927$69001740$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <002f01c4892d$deab2bf0$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: <412A297A.6080506@tenforward.com> Hi Stuart, Thanks for the World's Championship Quartz Crystal Dig posting. As usual, man oh man do I wish I could attend. Since your first postings of this event some years back, I've eagerly looked into the event pages illustrating this wonderful adventure. Man oh man do I wish I could attend! Have a great day and I wish everyone the very best in this years contest. Thanks for posting! See ya, John stu@arcrystalmine.com wrote: >Attention all Rockhounds!!! Our 18th annual World's Championship Quartz >Crystal Dig will be held October 7, 8 & 9, in Mount Ida, AR. Come and dig in >actual working quartz crystal mines in the heart of the Ouachita Mountains. >Meet other miners, learn more about crystals and improve your digging >skills. And, who knows, maybe you'll find that crystal you always dreamed >about! >A total of $1,500 in prize money will be awarded in the championship dig and >the top three finishers in each of two divisions - quartz clusters and >quartz points - will receive crystal trophies. There is an entry fee of $60 >per person up to October 1 and $75 each thereafter. There are no refunds >after October 1. Persons involved in the quartz mining business are >ineligible. Contestants keep all the crystals they dig > >Entrants meet at the dig's assay office at the fairgrounds each morning of >the contest, picking one of three designated crystal mines in the Mount Ida >area in which to dig that day. Participating mines this year are Sweet >Surrender Crystal Mine, Gee & Dee Brewster Mtn. Mine and Arrowhead Mine. >Entrants may dig using only hand tools from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. daily; turning >in the crystals they wish to enter to an on-site dig master. > >The dig masters take the crystals to the assay office where three judges >assign dollar values to the mined clusters and points, which are then >averaged. Winners are determined by the total, averaged value assigned to >their finds. > >You can find out what happened at last year's Championship Dig on Chamber >Web Site: http://www.mtidachamber.com/crystal_dig_info.htm > > > >To obtain contest rules and a registration form, phone the Mount Ida Area >Chamber of Commerce at (870) 867-2723 or write P.O. Box 6, Mt. Ida AR 71957. >Contest information is also available on the chamber's Web site at >http://www.mtidachamber.com/ and entry forms downloaded from the site will >be accepted. Late registration will be conducted at the fairgrounds. > >World's Championship Quartz Crystal Dig Committee > >Mount Ida Area Chamber of Commerce > >With appreciation & gratitude, >Stuart Schmitt >Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine >www.arcrystalmine.com >60 Mary's Eagle Trail >Mount Ida, AR 71957 >(870) 867-2443 > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From kahako at aloha.net Mon Aug 23 11:31:47 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:04:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] What do you believe about rocks? In-Reply-To: <412A282A.8090908@tenforward.com> References: <412A282A.8090908@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040823081248.03d29d40@mail.aloha.net> At 07:23 AM 8/23/2004, John & Gloria wrote: [regarding healing gems] I've enjoyed this thread, and to be honest, I'm surprised that we've (Rockhounds@drizzle) have never really discussed it before at any length (perhaps for the reasons Aaron's sited). -John Actually John, back in September of 2002 we had a long discussion---30 messages---on this topic. The following is what I wrote as the last one on the topic, and since we have many new members since then, I will take the liberty of repeating it. ****At 09:16 PM 9/9/2002, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: I've been reading posts on this thread and passing many of them on to Bill, my resident astronomer/physicist for his comment: and getting, "That's correct," or "Interesting," or "Hmmmm" (not always the most articulate fellow, but I love him anyway). Don't worry, Aaron, along the following tortured path I will gather up a few threads and arrive at rocks: Shortly after graduation from high school (40 years ago!) I was devastated when three sibling friends contracted diphtheria because their parents had refused to inoculate them as babies. Her brother and sister survived, but my classmate died, because her parents wished to demonstrate the ?scientific? basis of their religious faith. In fact I had been a member of that religion myself; my deceased friend and I had gone to Sunday school together. I tried for a while to maintain my faith, and then to replace it with other religions, but it didn't work. To this day I am an agnostic, and am touchy---if not downright angry---with people who impose their beliefs on innocents, those who use ?scientific? jargon to ?prove? their ideas, and those who play on other people?s beliefs to make a buck. On the other hand, several years ago as my mother came out of anesthesia after minor surgery, she was extremely agitated about something she believed she had experienced. She told everyone who would listen that she had seen herself unconscious on her bed, that people were running in and out of their rural home---she named some specific acquaintances---that an unusual vehicle drove up, and that she had viewed all this from above as if she were floating in the air. That last part sounded like the ?out-of-body experience? some people have described after a near-death situation. But my mother had not had a life-threatening event, so we all assumed it was just a very vivid dream. Nine months later my mother had a stroke; my father called for help, and neighbors---including the ones my mother had mentioned from her vision---came running in and out of their home; the volunteer fire department vehicle arrived and looked like the one Mom had described, but it had been acquired only a few weeks earlier, months after she ?saw? it ?from above.? My mother died the next day. Her detailed description was absolutely fulfilled, and friends and family members who had heard her ?dream? story months before were deeply troubled, including my resident astronomer/physicist/skeptic sometimes inarticulate husband. How could she foresee her own death in such vivid detail? There is absolutely no scientific answer to that question. So ?There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.? On September 11 last year Bill and I spent time re-organizing our rock cabinets. We found solace and calm in re-examining our beautiful treasures. It really WAS therapeutic---at least to the mind and soul---to hold and handle an iridescent crystal or gaze at brilliant fluorescence. Some years ago Norman Cousins survived a rare and deadly disease by watching funny movies. His book (Anatomy of an Illness) and subsequent scientific studies attest to the value of laughter and smiling in the healing process. Apparently the very act of turning lips into a smile---even if one doesn't really feel happy---can trigger the release of certain endorphins that help heal the body and fight disease (I'm cruising from memory here, but think I've got the gist of it). So if holding or contemplating a crystal makes you smile, maybe it IS healing! After all, think of some of the amazing aspects of rocks and minerals that ARE scientifically demonstrable: fluorescence, phosphorescence, triboluminescence, thermoluminescence, tenebrescence, double refraction; specimens can be magnetic, poisonous, bendable, thixotropic, radioactive, some can grow and ?heal? themselves, and some are used in legitimate medicines and cosmetics! Aloha, Kitty From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 11:32:38 2004 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:32:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] oh thy shall be healed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040823183238.40629.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Amen! Ted Kowalski has summed it up nicely- far better than I could. Jim --- Aaron Fox wrote: > This is just a gentle warning. This thread is > approaching becoming > off-topic, and, as well, has a heck of a lot of > potential to degenerate > into a flame war between parties of opposite > beliefs. > > As such, I'm requesting that we move to wrap this > thread up before > feelings get hurt. > > Thanks! > > Aaron Fox > Rockhounds Admin > > -- > afox at drizzle dot com || > http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you > were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where > I was!" > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tim at orerockon.com Mon Aug 23 12:07:28 2004 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Aug 23 12:12:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] 8 BILLION miles Off Topic In-Reply-To: <1093236892.2743.181.camel@localhost> References: <006e01c488c0$507a7ec0$6501a8c0@bryan> <1093236892.2743.181.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040823115716.02afc420@mail.spiritone.com> At 09:54 PM 8/22/2004, you wrote: >Yes, the Voyagers are far beyond their estimated useful life and >function and are showing some relativity effects. While they were within >it, Newtonian mechanics served quite nicely. Actually it's the Pioneer probes and the anomalous acceleration was explained by dust in the Kupier Belt, nothing relativistic about that: Anomalous Acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11: Dust Density in the Kuiper Belt Paul Marmet Abstract. A previous analysis of radio Doppler and ranging data from distant Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft, indicated an apparent anomalous acceleration. Several hypotheses involving new physical phenomena have been proposed to explain that apparent anomaly. This paper shows that the anomalous acceleration of the spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11 in the direction of the Sun is due to the presence of dust in the Kuiper belt, which has been ignored in the calculation. These data provide the first direct measurement of dust density in the Kuiper belt, which is 1.38 x 10-19 gr/cc. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Lapadary at aol.com Mon Aug 23 12:30:29 2004 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 23 12:30:40 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be heeled Message-ID: <1c7.1d890cf2.2e5b9fd5@aol.com> In a message dated 8/23/04 8:27:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, stu@arcrystalmine.com writes: I guess that is called "getting healed"? Actually, it should be heeled as in 1, b. below. You would only need to be healed if 2. a. happened to you. Main Entry: [2]heel Date: 1605 transitive senses 1 a : to furnish with a heel b : to supply especially with money 2 a : to exert pressure on, propel, or strike with the heel Grant Johnston, Chico, CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 23 19:46:49 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 23 19:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] oh thy shall be healed References: <001601c488ce$fc3c7e80$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <412AAB67.47C9@Tomaszewski.net> Since this discussion is about matter and energy, you might want to pick up both Discover Magazine's, and Scientific American's, current special issues about Einstein. They cover matter and energy in clear descriptions and examples, explore current understandings, and where the unknown edges are. There are still a lot of unknowns. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 23 19:56:09 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 23 19:53:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] 8 BILLION miles Off Topic References: <006e01c488c0$507a7ec0$6501a8c0@bryan> <1093236892.2743.181.camel@localhost> <6.1.1.1.2.20040823115716.02afc420@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <412AAD96.666F@Tomaszewski.net> Gravitation anomalies have been observed during solar eclipses, and with the Pioneer spacecraft. Chris Duif at Delft University of Technology quantifies some possible seismic effects from an eclipse in his analysis at http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0408/0408023.pdf Kreigh Tim Fisher wrote: > > At 09:54 PM 8/22/2004, you wrote: > > >Yes, the Voyagers are far beyond their estimated useful life and > >function and are showing some relativity effects. While they were within > >it, Newtonian mechanics served quite nicely. > Actually it's the Pioneer probes and the anomalous acceleration was > explained by dust in the Kupier Belt, nothing relativistic about that: > > Anomalous Acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11: Dust Density in the Kuiper > Belt Paul Marmet > > Abstract. A previous analysis of radio Doppler and ranging data from > distant Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft, indicated an apparent anomalous > acceleration. Several hypotheses involving new physical phenomena have > been proposed to explain that apparent anomaly. This paper shows that the > anomalous acceleration of the spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11 in the direction > of the Sun is due to the presence of dust in the Kuiper belt, which has > been ignored in the calculation. These data provide the first direct > measurement of dust density in the Kuiper belt, which is 1.38 x 10-19 gr/cc. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From folmstead at rcn.com Mon Aug 23 20:39:21 2004 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Fred Olmstead) Date: Mon Aug 23 20:22:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] healing powers In-Reply-To: <004401c48927$69001740$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c48927$69001740$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Message-ID: <412AB869.8050301@rcn.com> OK Whatever heals you Whatever works What ever you wish to believe OK However, as person who has been a collector for many, many, many years And consequentally, a person practically buried in what I have collected Naturally, I cannot part with any one specimen - though I may have several of that 'kind' 'Cause each one is just-a-little-different in shape, form, structure, location, color, hue, tint, etc... - And I may never get to that location ever again 'cause that location may be closed soon, or is now closed... You would think that I would be completely healthy, sane, cured, unequivocally healed, never have gotten sick, never needed surgery, never needed therapy, 'have all my marbles'... Cause I have so many minerals, gems, fossils and rocks - including those in my head - I personally do not believe in the healing powers of rocks..... GeorgiaO Axel Emmermann wrote: >Hi Karen, > >Please don't feel insulted or ridiculed by the following. Since you came to >the group for advice and sharing experience, I feel obliged to respond. > >I know some ladies that are interested in, as you so eloquently put it in >pseudo-scientific language, "various vibrational frequencies associated with >different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy >system." > >I tried to interest these ladies (belief in mineral healing powers seems to >be an almost exclusively female trade) in the science of mineralogy.... I >even showed them some REAL hidden powers of some minerals... have you ever >seen a fluorescent mineral display? That will blow your socks off. >One of the ladies I was preaching to (on our minerals show) insisted that I >called her Wicca >Alas, all discussions seemed to evolve in to the following stubborn twist: > >Wicca: "that's some heavy magic!!!" (standing before my fluorescent minerals >cabinet, staring at a large calcite crystal that glowed fiercely red under >UV). > >Me: "There's no magic involved here, just ultraviolet light". > >Wicca: "I can't believe that! Surely there must be some force that causes >this crystal to glow?" > >Me: "No force, just some manganese and a tiny bit of lead. The only cosmic >force involved here is the electro-magnetic force, which dictates that all >charged particles must emit a photon when they lose energy." > >Wicca: "AHAAAA, so there IS some magnetic influence!!! Those magnetic forces >are often hidden from us but they have healing powers... What does this >crystal do for our body, what illnesses can it cure?" > >Me: "Wicca, please excuse me while I weep a little... I suddenly feel a bit >depressed." > >Wicca: "I can help you there, do you have a piece of amber or chalcedony or >clear quartz? Just rinse it under running water and let it charge overnight >in the moonlight. Then put it under your pillow or wear it as a pendant. >You'll feel better soon." > >Me: "sniff, sigh" > >You may think that I'm making fun of you, but I'm not. Regrettably, this >discussion REALLY took place as I described. > >If you REALLY want to know why so many people believe that minerals have >healing powers I can suggest some reading: delve into the work an research >of professor Michael Persinger, a Canadian scientist who managed to >reproduce various religious and "esoteric" experiences in his laboratory. >There is a scientific explanation for the belief in "higher powers" or >"cosmic forces" that so many people share. Persinger has identified exactly >that part of our brain that tricks us into the world of esoterism. >If you don not want to know the science behind your beliefs, do not read >Persingers work. It will then leave you unhappy or chances are that you will >deny the logic behind it and put it aside as nonsense. >If you do, however, believe in the power of your mind and intellect over the >figments that our brains serve us as placebos for the truth, you will find >great solace in learning that your fate is not governed by anything else >than chance and your own choices. Quite literally: "the truth shall set ye >free". > >Cheers > >Axel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen T." >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:12 PM >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction > > > > >>Hello, >> >>My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have >> >> >been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a >multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other >times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the >various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and >their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in >to this for 15 plus years. > > >>Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well >> >> >informed group here is greatly appreciated. > > >>Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. >> >> >> >>Margaret Malm wrote: >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe >>Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction >> >> >>Greetings from South Africa folks! >> >>Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan >>Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my >>hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part >>of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. >> >>What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double >>terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their >>crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? >> >>Regards >>Johan >> >> >>Hi, Johann; >> >>Welcome to Rockhounds! >> >>In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly >>terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, >>and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing >>from. So they can only have a termination on one end. >> >>Margaret >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >>Have a wonderful Day! >> >>Karen T >> >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Mon Aug 23 20:51:05 2004 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Aug 23 20:50:58 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] healing powers References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c48927$69001740$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> <412AB869.8050301@rcn.com> Message-ID: <229501c4898d$95071580$6402a8c0@remains> have you ever actually read any of those Healy-feely books? I love the ones that tell you to make elixirs out of things like Realgar......yeah, just what I need...an arsenic elixir. the really odd thing about these people is how they give mystical names to minerals that have been commercially available for years at $10.00 per pound, and "magically" they are all of a sudden able to cure any affliction under the sun....at $25 per gram! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Olmstead" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] healing powers > OK > > Whatever heals you > Whatever works > What ever you wish to believe > > OK > > However, as person who has been a collector for many, many, many years > And consequentally, a person practically buried in what I have collected > Naturally, I cannot part with any one specimen - though I may have > several of that 'kind' > 'Cause each one is just-a-little-different in shape, form, structure, > location, color, hue, tint, etc... - > And I may never get to that location ever again 'cause that location > may be closed soon, > or is now closed... > You would think that I would be completely healthy, sane, cured, > unequivocally healed, never have gotten sick, never needed surgery, > never needed therapy, 'have all my marbles'... > Cause I have so many minerals, gems, fossils and rocks - including those > in my head - > I personally do not believe in the healing powers of rocks..... > > GeorgiaO > > > > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Hi Karen, > > > >Please don't feel insulted or ridiculed by the following. Since you came to > >the group for advice and sharing experience, I feel obliged to respond. > > > >I know some ladies that are interested in, as you so eloquently put it in > >pseudo-scientific language, "various vibrational frequencies associated with > >different gemstones and their qualities in helping balance the human energy > >system." > > > >I tried to interest these ladies (belief in mineral healing powers seems to > >be an almost exclusively female trade) in the science of mineralogy.... I > >even showed them some REAL hidden powers of some minerals... have you ever > >seen a fluorescent mineral display? That will blow your socks off. > >One of the ladies I was preaching to (on our minerals show) insisted that I > >called her Wicca > >Alas, all discussions seemed to evolve in to the following stubborn twist: > > > >Wicca: "that's some heavy magic!!!" (standing before my fluorescent minerals > >cabinet, staring at a large calcite crystal that glowed fiercely red under > >UV). > > > >Me: "There's no magic involved here, just ultraviolet light". > > > >Wicca: "I can't believe that! Surely there must be some force that causes > >this crystal to glow?" > > > >Me: "No force, just some manganese and a tiny bit of lead. The only cosmic > >force involved here is the electro-magnetic force, which dictates that all > >charged particles must emit a photon when they lose energy." > > > >Wicca: "AHAAAA, so there IS some magnetic influence!!! Those magnetic forces > >are often hidden from us but they have healing powers... What does this > >crystal do for our body, what illnesses can it cure?" > > > >Me: "Wicca, please excuse me while I weep a little... I suddenly feel a bit > >depressed." > > > >Wicca: "I can help you there, do you have a piece of amber or chalcedony or > >clear quartz? Just rinse it under running water and let it charge overnight > >in the moonlight. Then put it under your pillow or wear it as a pendant. > >You'll feel better soon." > > > >Me: "sniff, sigh" > > > >You may think that I'm making fun of you, but I'm not. Regrettably, this > >discussion REALLY took place as I described. > > > >If you REALLY want to know why so many people believe that minerals have > >healing powers I can suggest some reading: delve into the work an research > >of professor Michael Persinger, a Canadian scientist who managed to > >reproduce various religious and "esoteric" experiences in his laboratory. > >There is a scientific explanation for the belief in "higher powers" or > >"cosmic forces" that so many people share. Persinger has identified exactly > >that part of our brain that tricks us into the world of esoterism. > >If you don not want to know the science behind your beliefs, do not read > >Persingers work. It will then leave you unhappy or chances are that you will > >deny the logic behind it and put it aside as nonsense. > >If you do, however, believe in the power of your mind and intellect over the > >figments that our brains serve us as placebos for the truth, you will find > >great solace in learning that your fate is not governed by anything else > >than chance and your own choices. Quite literally: "the truth shall set ye > >free". > > > >Cheers > > > >Axel > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Karen T." > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:12 PM > >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Another Introduction > > > > > > > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>My name is Karen, I live in Dallas Texas. I just joined recently and have > >> > >> > >been reading only until now. I am an outside sales person for a > >multi-national company during the day. I am rockhound though at all other > >times. I will be teaching a class here in Dallas starting next month on the > >various vibrational frequencies associated with different gemstones and > >their qualities in helping balance the human energy system. I've delved in > >to this for 15 plus years. > > > > > >>Any personal experiences with this or advice form the obviously well > >> > >> > >informed group here is greatly appreciated. > > > > > >>Thanks and I enjoy all of the emails. > >> > >> > >> > >>Margaret Malm wrote: > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Lubbe > >>Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:49 AM > >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction > >> > >> > >>Greetings from South Africa folks! > >> > >>Just wanted to send a quick note and introduce myself. My name is Johan > >>Lubbe and I am a student at the University of Pretoria. One of my > >>hobbies are rocks and the other Carnivorous Plants. I'm also part part > >>of the PGMC *waves to Horst Windisch*. > >> > >>What is so special about Herkimer Diamonds? Except that they are double > >>terminated and absolutely water clear quartz crystals. Is it their > >>crystal structure that makes them unique or the location? > >> > >>Regards > >>Johan > >> > >> > >>Hi, Johann; > >> > >>Welcome to Rockhounds! > >> > >>In answer to your question, I think it's mostly just that they are doubly > >>terminated. Quartz crystals are ordinarily found growing inside cavities, > >>and in geodes, etc., and are attached to the wall that they are growing > >>from. So they can only have a termination on one end. > >> > >>Margaret > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >>Have a wonderful Day! > >> > >>Karen T > >> > >> > >> > >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >>multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >>--- > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Mon Aug 23 23:02:21 2004 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Aug 23 23:01:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question In-Reply-To: <001701c488d7$d9d779e0$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for all the good information! I REALLY appreciate it!!!!! Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Ted Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:10 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'; 'Michael Schmidt' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question The jade questions really require more in depth response than I am about to give it. Our term jade is derived from the Spanish phrase "piedra de ijada" (Loin stone) because of it's reputed power to cure kidney ailments. The Chinese word "Yu" which we translate as Jade actually means any stone suitable for carving. The tourist trade in the orient often finds this adjusted to mean any carved greenish stone. Jade has been utilized by man since the stone ages. Usage (archeological) is documented back to 2100bc in China, Japan, Mayan, and the Artic small tool culture. Usage preceding 2500bc is documented in the Indus valley and Nile valley civilizations. To get right down to it, Jade has stayed with man through the ages because it is both useful and beautiful. Both nephrite and jadeite have similar properties especially in sense that is rarely defined, toughness. Both jadeite and nephrite are tough stones because of their mineral structure. Tough stones make good tools, especially for digging, defense and wood working. Somewhere along the way, beauty of the stone became more important and jade was carved for beauty or ceremonial reasons. When we get down to it, Jade has been highly valued since the beginning of man's civilizations. Technically, nephrite is not classified as a mineral, but a variety of the actinolite-tremolite series. The white-gray nephrite are usually closer to tremolite in composition while the green - yellow - brown are closer to actinolite. Chemical composition is usually listed as Ca2(Mg, Fe)5(OH)2(Si4O11)2 (sorry, I can't do subset numbers in email). The fibers of actinolite and tremolite must be interlocking for the stone to be called nephrite because the interlocking feature imparts the minerals toughness. Jadeite is a separate mineral species, a sodium aluminum silicate. Ideal composition of NaAl(SiO3)2. Jadeite may actually grade into other minerals in the pyroxene group. For example, it may include high concentrations of diopside or acmite. What causes the colors of Jade? Trace elements form many of the colors in jadeite. As an example the lavender shades can be caused by manganese or iron charge transfer. Color variations in nephrite are mostly attributed to increasing concentrations of iron. Green may have traces of chromium or diopside. The white and gray nephrite has much less iron. Jadeite can be almost any color. Nephrite is mostly a range of white, green, yellow brown, brown and black. What makes for value are those old standards of commerce; supply and demand. There are incredibly abundant supplies of nephrite throughout the world. Color and translucence of nephrite have more to do with value because of the sheer abundance of nephrite off colors (olive green to black). Jadeite is extremely scarce. Basically, Jadeite comes from one of several sources; Burma, Gautemala, California, Japan and Switzerland. When you really get down to it, fine color highly translucent jadeite is only available from Burma. The fine stuff is rare and highly sought after. What makes for the best color? Well, the mutton fat variety has the history behind it. It was reserved as privileged ornaments of the Chinese emperor (Laufer, 1912). Other than that, rarity and beauty of color, intensity of color, translucence, for example; a translucent bright medium green is usually more valuable; a dark olive complexioned opaque green is much less valued. For a really excellent work bout Jade I highly recommend the book "Jade" published by Lorenz Books. There are a number of contributing authors with consulting editor Roger Keverne. Ted Kowalski -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jack Schmidling Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:35 AM To: Michael Schmidt; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jadite and Nephrite Jade question Interesting stuff. I was just reading an old NG article about Jade and was really surprised to learn about the business. I am left with more questions than answers though. How on earth can two minerals of different chemical composition, hardness, color etc, be called Jade? How on earth can this treasure of the Orient (nephrite) be a non-descript color (unless you like mutton fat) and nearly worthless as you suggest? How on earth can green Jade as we all know it be worth tens of thousands of dollars and only known for a few hundred years? This is really a strange story. The NG article was from 1987 if anyone wants to read it. js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.netfirms.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.netfirms.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pchil at botsnet.bw Tue Aug 24 00:28:19 2004 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Tue Aug 24 00:28:20 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage References: <002801c48462$c0121b10$d6be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <015901bf1be5$089f94c0$0100007f@hulley> Hi Anita Actually congratulations are due!! Moving house across borders ie South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Botswana, helps a lot too! The larger pieces tend to suffer most in this way. What needs to be thrown out is a very emotional and subjective issue too! I know a lot of collectors who would throw out 90% of my collection, and others who would snap up every piece that is thrown out! One grows attached to specimens, especially those that one has personally, and with great effort, collected! It is almost impossible to throw away a 10Kg geode that you have carried 2km up a steep hillside in the middle of a tropical summer, even if there is only the faintest hint of amethyst inside! At each move, I have tried, with as much objectivity as I can muster, to achieve what you have done, only to discover that I have failed hopelessly! Keep at it! Hildegarde ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Westlake To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage > And speaking of getting going through your rock pile: The quickest way I > know to get rid of a bunch of dusty, not-very-pretty, lumpy old rocks is to > start cataloging your collection. When you realize how long it takes to > catalog a single specimen, rocks start flying out of your house and in to > your give-away pile in seconds. > I have high-graded my collection to the point where I really need to go on > another field trip to have something to throw away! How's that for sad? > > Anita > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Peter J. Modreski > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:28 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding in your own garage > > ... is what I've been doing this weekend, I'm afraid. (Thought I'd write > this little message, as a companion to the line of Kreigh's note, about not > finding any interesting rocks in the playground holes he augered, and rather > being at the volcano.) > This weekend was the "Contin-Tail" in Buena Vista, CO*, a very fun rock swap > (tho actually, just about nobody really swaps anything, it's all priced and > for sale, and lots of the people there just talk about it as "how did you do > at the Show"), where many people camp out (dry camp, out on the B.V. rodeo > grounds, but a great view of the Sawatch Range) for at least 3 days. Well, > I hadn't made any serious plans to go there, and it's about a 2-hour drive > from Denver, and I've had this overstuffed garage that has just been crying > to be straightened out all summer (if not for the last several years), > overflowing with unsorted rocks from all the last X field trips (more like > the last X-cubed field trips), all forming a sort of glacier which has > overridden and hidden all the other boxes with books, files, garden tools, > etc. (hasn't been a car in there... ever), so, I nobly (?) decided to just > stay home and work on the garage, I figured that I'd find lots more rocks > there (exactly what to do with them is another matter) enough to stock 5 or > 6 Contin-Tails. So, that's what I did most of yesterday, and probably today > too. (It was a nice sunny weekend, so we just left a bunch of boxes and > things just sitting out in the driveway & patio, waiting to be packed back > in, in better order.) > > So let's see, I did find some good things "tucked away"--a bunch of small > cigar boxes full of arrowhead flakes and chips that I got at a local > rockhound's "estate rock sale" one year, a nice box of largish Calumet mine > (CO) epidote crystals similarly aquired, ditto for large Apache tears, some > interesting fluorescent minerals picked up here & there but all put away in > odd spots, never findable individually unless you go through the whole > business, a big specimen from New Mexico of calcite dogtooth-crystals > coating with yellow carnotite, that friend gave me, an egg carton of > limonite pseudo's after pyrite collected northwest of Dotsero, CO..., some > fl. scheelite (mostly just small specks) in matrix, collected from prospects > in the Owl Creek Mtns., WY--most of it will be relegated to our give-away > rock room; ah, there's still more to sort through. I loaded up a carful of > stuff, to haul to work and leave at our USGS giveaway room for teachers. > [Well, in honesty, I'd still probably have had more fun at the rock swap, > and I'm tempted to drive there today anyway, but there's all that stuff > sitting in the driveway!] > > * which reminds me, I always see these posts online about a rock show or > museum or whatever in "Buena Vista", and I always have to read close, and > have learned to expect that there's a Buena Vista, California, and it's not > ours. No one out here in the mid-continent boonies, of course, has > otherwise ever heard of Buena Vista CA--San Francisco or L.A. or San Diego > or Sacramento, that's about my limit of towns in CA. > > cheers to all, > Pete Modreski > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pchil at botsnet.bw Tue Aug 24 00:31:09 2004 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Tue Aug 24 00:31:10 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> Message-ID: <015e01bf1be5$0cb7dc20$0100007f@hulley> I would like to echo the sentiments expressed. Would definitely have participated but Kitty you were right, I was away. Hildegarde in Botswana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Shimatzki To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:59 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... > Hello, > > Just a suggestion, but some may be kinda like me... I consider myself a > "rockhound" but I'm amazed at the amount of information that is generated > sometimes on the list. So I don't usually speak up and say much, as much > as I do just enjoy reading the banter and information... Like the debates > about opal being a mineral or not was AMAZING to someone like me that just > likes to collect "pretty" rocks and fossils as my wife would put it. I do > belong to a club, but attend only periodically because of my newborn son... > I play in the basement with my combination machine when I can, and I just > don't feel I could offer much when it comes to the normal interactions on > the list. ("My grandaddy used to say: 'It is better to be quite and > thought the fool than to open your mouth and prove it.' " - unknown) > > The OTHER reason that may cause a drop is list interaction is how you > receive it... I get enough spam in my email that I take the list in digest > form (all the email's compacted together for the day.) This is really nice > as I only have one to track, but is not very good when it comes to reply's > and such... Don't forget to edit the subject (Like I forgot the other > day...), Someone may already reply by the time I get to read the digest > format, Messages get "lost" in the digest format because of all the > messages running together... etc... > > Lastly, I would of been predicated towards my own and vote for it, so that > didn't seem right.... > > Maybe I'll try and create some type of "digest reader" and that would be > easier... yeah right, me programming... hahaha... > > Next time I'll try harder, but 25 words was a tough one... Maybe 50 words > next time... or maybe a Haiku :) > > -Steve > > > At 09:00 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: > >Message: 12 > >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:10:41 -0700 > >From: Lanny > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Free book -the winner is... > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors" > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > >I didn't count messages, but it feels like more people sent in messages > >with suggestions for the contest 3-4 weeks ago than entered this one or > >bothered to vote. Looking at the various messages during the last > >couple of weeks, there are a lot of active members, but this contest > >apparently didn't inspire them enough. > > > >Regards, > > > >Lanny > > Stephen Shimatzki > sjs132@accesstoledo.com > http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pchil at botsnet.bw Tue Aug 24 00:31:12 2004 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Tue Aug 24 00:31:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] oh thy shall be healed References: <412A282A.8090908@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <015f01bf1be5$0d568d20$0100007f@hulley> I have been following this thread with interest, mainly because it has been an issue on which I havehad to arbitrate on several occasions, as a member of the executive of my Rock club. The essence of humanity is its diversity, and man's need to look beyond himself for the answers to the questions that he does not understand. Very often, unless one has a background knowledge of scientific study, it is easy to won over by a convincing argument, especially when one perceives the originator of the premise or idea to be an authority in that particular field. i.e. medicine.... the doctor must know what he is talking about, after all he studied for 7 years!! How does a Jumbo Jet ever get off the ground? Unless we have an understanding of the principles of thrust and lift etc it becomes somewhat of a mind boggling experience. Suffice it to say, there will always be scientists and there will always be dreamers, and we will all be able to find whatever it is that we need to survive mentally and emotionally in a sometimes not so beautiful world. We need each other, it is what makes life interesting. What we all share is a love of the treasures of the earth, but should it come to allocating praise, let it go to the Creator, rather than the creation. Hildagarde in Botswana. ----- Original Message ----- From: John and Gloria Cornish To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] oh thy shall be healed > Hi Aaron and All, > > From the side lines... > > Since this is winding down, and since this all began as an > introduction..... Welcome! > > I've enjoyed this thread, and to be honest, I'm surprised that we've > (Rockhounds@drizzle) have never really discussed it before at any length > (perhaps for the reasons Aaron's sited). > > I believe that many of us (in general) desire to believe in something, > at least something greater then ourselves. For some it's God, for others > its... (fill in the blank). > > We all have our own belief systems (as an example, I've demonstrated my > own in the above sentence), as long as we're not cramming it down anyone > else's throat, hey, more power to ya. Incidentially, this is not a > Free-For-All card to jump over the edge! > > Science is an inexact science at best. The world continues to evolve and > our thoughts often lead the way. What we knew to be absolute truth one > day can and is challenged often and on occasion, we (collectively) find > that we were wrong. That we did not interpret the clues correctly. I'm > smart enough to know that I don't have all the answers and that likely, > most others don't either. We're all just trying to do our best (I hope) > to find our place in this complex system we call life. > > Personally, I love my minerals. They represent so very much to me. I > love formost the adventure of actually collecting my own specimens, > delving into the mystery I like to think. In doing this, I definetly get > vibed, heck, I get out and out charged up! I love it and it certainly > helps me to combat my own demons by allowing me the chance to breath > just a wee bit easier. Yup, busting my buns collecting crystals helps me > to relax, go figure. > > I may not understand photon this and vibrational frequencys that, but I > do understand that we're ALL (in my opinion) very fortunate to have > found this wonderful thing, this common link that, whatever it's > motivation, is a love for the mineral world which surrounds us. For me, > this is enough. In diversity we find creation and rather then be blind, > I'll keep my eyes open to the possibilities, I may not agree with > everything that's said, but no one was really asking for my opinion > anyway! :-) > > Have a great day all! > > John > > Aaron Fox wrote: > > >This is just a gentle warning. This thread is approaching becoming > >off-topic, and, as well, has a heck of a lot of potential to degenerate > >into a flame war between parties of opposite beliefs. > > > >As such, I'm requesting that we move to wrap this thread up before > >feelings get hurt. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Aaron Fox > >Rockhounds Admin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue Aug 24 08:00:38 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (catgbrown) Date: Tue Aug 24 08:55:58 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fresno Shops In-Reply-To: References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040824145752.M57028@catspaw-minerals.com> Last Minute Request... I've got an afternoon free here in Fresno (I am "supposed" to finish teaching at around 3 PM) and was wondering if any rock shops within 50 or so miles come to mind... I've got some nice Sterling Hill material looking for a west- coast home. Thanks much. Gary PS. Oh, it has been glorious... my boys & I took a five day vacation before I started giving this training session. Three Whole Days without internet or cell phone access! Heh, heh... I made the boys take back the first batch of stones when I sent 'em home to St. Paul yesterday. From jabac at hal-pc.org Tue Aug 24 10:49:17 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:41:52 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... In-Reply-To: <015e01bf1be5$0cb7dc20$0100007f@hulley> References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> <015e01bf1be5$0cb7dc20$0100007f@hulley> Message-ID: <1093369348.2732.8.camel@localhost> On Thu, 1999-10-21 at 10:12, P.C. Hulley wrote: > I would like to echo the sentiments expressed. Would definitely have > participated but Kitty you were right, I was away. > > Hildegarde in Botswana. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Shimatzki > To: > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... Ma'am, I notice that your e-mails are all dated "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 ..." You may have to set the date and time on your computer. john From jabac at hal-pc.org Tue Aug 24 10:49:20 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:41:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] e-mail header information In-Reply-To: <015e01bf1be5$0cb7dc20$0100007f@hulley> References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com> <015e01bf1be5$0cb7dc20$0100007f@hulley> Message-ID: <1093369757.2732.13.camel@localhost> On Thu, 1999-10-21 at 10:12, P.C. Hulley wrote: > I would like to echo the sentiments expressed. Would definitely have > participated but Kitty you were right, I was away. > > Hildegarde in Botswana. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Shimatzki > To: > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... Ma'am, I notice that your e-mails are all dated "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 ..." You may have to re-set the date and time on your computer. john From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 11:37:02 2004 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:37:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] color fading in minerals In-Reply-To: <20040815.185407.1216.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040824183702.83290.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Ken, thanks for getting this thread started. It's provided a lot of interesting discussion, and useful information. It seems to be fading out now (pun intended), but will hopefully pick up again after some members cmplete their experiments. When the thread started, I immediately thought of the table on my website ( www.sauktown.com )entitled "Conditions Harmful to Minerals". When I went back to look at the table, though, I found that the minerals listed as being harmed by light were mainly those that physically degraded with exposure to light, such a realgar, rather than those that fade. I will try to add another category for minerals that fade, using the data provided on this list, and hopefully more later. Jim Daly --- kjvgorock@juno.com wrote: > Hi List, > > Here's a topic I was hoping to receive list feedback > on. The fading of > mineral colors due to light or sunlight. > > Being big into midwestern geodes, I've heard several > fears that certain > geodes will fade & have seen their owners put > aluminum foil over them or > keep the geodes closed to prevent such fading. > > 1) The pink in pink dogtooth calcite geodes is > suggested to fade. > 2) The pink in pink ferroan dolomite is suggested to > fade. > 3) Some say the blue in blue chalcedony geodes will > fade. > 4) And, the light amethyst in Kentucky & Indiana > geodes will fade. > > Are any or all of these true? > I just cracked through a geode filled with pink > dolomite that I plan to > experiment with - photo graph it - then put one half > in a sunny window & > the other half I'll keep in the dark & then compare > them after a few > weeks. > I'll report back on my findings. > > Thanks, > Ken Vaisvil > kjvgorock@juno.com > ebay id: kv_goodrocks > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno > SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up > today! > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Micromount material and supplies http://www.sauktown.com/ orders@sauktown.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From k.conroy at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 24 14:38:38 2004 From: k.conroy at worldnet.att.net (Kevin Conroy) Date: Tue Aug 24 14:36:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fresno Shops References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> <20040824145752.M57028@catspaw-minerals.com> Message-ID: <002b01c48a22$b8965e80$778e4a0c@kcmins> Hi! This should help: www.osomin.com/shopsgm.htm All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "catgbrown" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fresno Shops > Last Minute Request... > > I've got an afternoon free here in Fresno (I am "supposed" to finish teaching > at around 3 PM) and was wondering if any rock shops within 50 or so miles > come to mind... I've got some nice Sterling Hill material looking for a west- > coast home. > > Thanks much. > Gary > > PS. Oh, it has been glorious... my boys & I took a five day vacation before > I started giving this training session. Three Whole Days without internet or > cell phone access! Heh, heh... I made the boys take back the first batch of > stones when I sent 'em home to St. Paul yesterday. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From MCGINNISG at aol.com Tue Aug 24 18:36:27 2004 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 24 18:36:31 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting Internet Web Site about Agate Message-ID: <19e.2884a3c0.2e5d471b@aol.com> I found an interesting web site about Agate Names http://csd.unl.edu/agates/agatelexiconletter.asp?Agate=A Take a look-see Timm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Aug 24 19:47:41 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 24 19:47:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 {was: A Short Trip Report} References: <200408100102.i7A12hJf012774@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <008001c47f12$34e3f4f0$22e2a5d8@Rock5> Message-ID: <412BFDB4.1D33@Tomaszewski.net> I have received the specimen in question and took a few scans of it. I find it interesting I had some phosphoresence (or fluorescense) show up in and around the pink crystal lined vugs in question. Images can be seen at http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will13.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will14.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will15.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will16.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will17.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will18.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will19.jpg The cobble itself appears to be a granite. The last image shows some small green spots from beautiful transparent crystals (it is not a very good image; neither the color nor the clarity show well). I'm reasonably certain on detailed inspection that the pink is not caused by hematite. I don't think it is rose quartz, but still have a few nagging doubts. My current thinking is that it is a feldspar behind the color. But I'm just about ready to send this one off to the lab because I have not been able to make a positive identification. Any suggestions? Kreigh Rock Currier wrote: > > Dear Kreigh, > I found the report of your trip to Michigan interesting, especially the > report of your brothers son finding a quartz cobble with vugs full of rose > quartz crystals. I have never heard of any locality in the United States > that produced rose quartz crystals except for the one in Mt. Plumbago, > Maine. The rose quartz crystals in Maine are not very large and when they > were discovered they were the only locality in the world know to produce > real rose quartz crystals and not just quartz stained with iron to > superficially display a pink color. Later of course, localities in Brazil > were discovered that produced specimens of rose quartz crystals that far > surpassed those from Maine. Are you sure these your brothers son found are > real rose quartz crystals and not just iron stained quartz? If so I would > think that the major mineral museums in Michigan would very much like to see > the specimen. > Rock > From volgems at icx.net Tue Aug 24 20:16:25 2004 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Tue Aug 24 20:16:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 {was: A Short Trip Report} Message-ID: <10575584.1093403786126.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Please note: The dot after the "Images" in the below URLs should be a slash ( / ) not a dot ( . ) John Teague Knoxville, Tennessee -----Original Message----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Aug 24, 2004 10:47 PM To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 {was: A Short Trip Report} I have received the specimen in question and took a few scans of it. I find it interesting I had some phosphoresence (or fluorescense) show up in and around the pink crystal lined vugs in question. Images can be seen at http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will13.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will14.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will15.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will16.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will17.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will18.jpg http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will19.jpg The cobble itself appears to be a granite. The last image shows some small green spots from beautiful transparent crystals (it is not a very good image; neither the color nor the clarity show well). I'm reasonably certain on detailed inspection that the pink is not caused by hematite. I don't think it is rose quartz, but still have a few nagging doubts. My current thinking is that it is a feldspar behind the color. But I'm just about ready to send this one off to the lab because I have not been able to make a positive identification. Any suggestions? Kreigh Rock Currier wrote: > > Dear Kreigh, > I found the report of your trip to Michigan interesting, especially the > report of your brothers son finding a quartz cobble with vugs full of rose > quartz crystals. I have never heard of any locality in the United States > that produced rose quartz crystals except for the one in Mt. Plumbago, > Maine. The rose quartz crystals in Maine are not very large and when they > were discovered they were the only locality in the world know to produce > real rose quartz crystals and not just quartz stained with iron to > superficially display a pink color. Later of course, localities in Brazil > were discovered that produced specimens of rose quartz crystals that far > surpassed those from Maine. Are you sure these your brothers son found are > real rose quartz crystals and not just iron stained quartz? If so I would > think that the major mineral museums in Michigan would very much like to see > the specimen. > Rock > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Aug 24 18:15:40 2004 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Aug 24 20:17:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lurking With Occasional Spasms of Verbosity References: <19e.2884a3c0.2e5d471b@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501c48a41$0f498400$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Hey List! Julie and I have been working on a website for a non-profit that leases villas, apartments, castles, etc. in Europe (they donate all profits to charity). Our client wants to take Julie to Tuscany (Italy) to hang out in a vineyard as partial remuneration for work done. I've been viewing/cropping/color-correcting (and drooling over) photos of sites from all over Europe for the past several days and I was thinking that she'd have a better time rockhounding in the Swiss Alps. Any input here? Are there good rockhounding sites in the vicinity of Tuscany? Julie can hike and is not afraid of a sledge and chisel. But can she hike the Swiss Alps and find fun stuff without crampons, ropes and a husky guide named Hans? Re. Partcipation thread: This is the only list out of 10 that I belong to that has more than minimal input right now. I guess everyone else is out digging?! J and I have had only two rockhounding adventures so far this summer. The first was up Crystal Peak (possible kyanite and staurolite) here in Idaho that ended up with a flat tire in a clearcut without a functional jack, 30 miles from the nearest town, at 96 degrees. Long story edited here. WD-40 saved the day. We also managed to get a few hours of digging almandine star garnet at Emerald Creek near here a few weeks ago. 10 ounces of mostly chips and lots of micacious mud in our boots. Good fun just the same. Re. Iridescent Lava as Rehab: Kitty and Bill, My belated condolences on the loss of your pup, Hoku. We've had similar experience. As you know, we currently have three 90 pound monsters that accompany us on all trips. They're trained to wear my collecting vests to help carry the loads and ferry tools and such back and forth between Julie and me when we're too lazy, too far apart or too busy in a hole. Re. Oh Thy Shall Be Healed: I know that rockhounding has given me more peace-of-mind than most other things I do. Then I take Advil. Re. Intros: Welcome! Don't let the physics scare you off. Us tyros can exchange a few words too. Vicaiously back to the Alps, John John Siebel Santa, Idaho www.pandemoniumgraphics.com From pchil at botsnet.bw Sat Aug 21 21:18:09 2004 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Tue Aug 24 21:58:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] e-mail header information References: <200408200100.i7K10Mp5019441@bubbleator.drizzle.com><6.0.1.1.0.20040819214435.020c6008@mail.accesstoledo.com><015e01bf1be5$0cb7dc20$0100007f@hulley> <1093369757.2732.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <004001c48804$d482b8c0$6248a7a8@hulley> Thanks John, think my p.c. internal battery is on its way out. been switched off while we were away! ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] e-mail header information > On Thu, 1999-10-21 at 10:12, P.C. Hulley wrote: > > I would like to echo the sentiments expressed. Would definitely have > > participated but Kitty you were right, I was away. > > > > Hildegarde in Botswana. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve Shimatzki > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Free Book -the winner is.... > > > Ma'am, I notice that your e-mails are all dated "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 ..." > You may have to re-set the date and time on your computer. > > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 24 22:25:07 2004 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Tue Aug 24 22:20:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 {was: A Short Trip Report} References: <200408100102.i7A12hJf012774@bubbleator.drizzle.com><008001c47f12$34e3f4f0$22e2a5d8@Rock5> <412BFDB4.1D33@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001b01c48a63$e5093dc0$f1a4490c@pete> Kreigh, It's still pretty hard to tell from your pictures, what the mineral in the vugs really is. Yes, maybe some mixture of quartz and feldspar? [After a minute or two, I did figure out the "/ instead of a ." puzzle.] And the deep green spots--if they're not paint rubbed on the rock (which is really what they most look like, to be honest), perhaps they could be a green (nonfluorescent) copper-uranium mineral, such as torbernite. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 3,Issue 9 {was: A Short Trip Report} > I have received the specimen in question and took a few scans of it. I > find it interesting I had some phosphoresence (or fluorescense) show up > in and around the pink crystal lined vugs in question. Images can be > seen at > > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will13.jpg > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will14.jpg > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will15.jpg > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will16.jpg > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will17.jpg > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will18.jpg > http://tomaszew.cnc.net/Images.Will19.jpg > > The cobble itself appears to be a granite. > > The last image shows some small green spots from beautiful transparent > crystals (it is not a very good image; neither the color nor the clarity > show well). > > I'm reasonably certain on detailed inspection that the pink is not > caused by hematite. I don't think it is rose quartz, but still have a > few nagging doubts. My current thinking is that it is a feldspar behind > the color. > > But I'm just about ready to send this one off to the lab because I have > not been able to make a positive identification. > > Any suggestions? > > Kreigh > > > > Rock Currier wrote: > > > > Dear Kreigh, > > I found the report of your trip to Michigan interesting, especially the > > report of your brothers son finding a quartz cobble with vugs full of rose > > quartz crystals. I have never heard of any locality in the United States > > that produced rose quartz crystals except for the one in Mt. Plumbago, > > Maine. The rose quartz crystals in Maine are not very large and when they > > were discovered they were the only locality in the world know to produce > > real rose quartz crystals and not just quartz stained with iron to > > superficially display a pink color. Later of course, localities in Brazil > > were discovered that produced specimens of rose quartz crystals that far > > surpassed those from Maine. Are you sure these your brothers son found are > > real rose quartz crystals and not just iron stained quartz? If so I would > > think that the major mineral museums in Michigan would very much like to see > > the specimen. > > Rock > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 25 01:51:46 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Aug 25 01:51:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lurking With Occasional Spasms of Verbosity In-Reply-To: <005501c48a41$0f498400$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: Hi, >a better time rockhounding in the Swiss Alps. Any input here? Rockhounding in the Swiss Alps is possible. There are numerous excellent finds each year. There are however a few problems. Almost the entire Alpine range is a 'single locality'. What I mean is that there are not many real mines or any pin point localitie. Finds are made all over the region. Rockhounding in Switzerland is called 'strahlen'. Alpine minerals grow in so called Alpine clefts. They occur sort of randomly inside the rocks. The Strahler has the study the structure of the rocks to determine if there is a cleft beneath. When he suspects one it might take a dig of up to a few meters through solid rock. Not the thing to do in your holliday. Strahlen is a hobby and profession for many many years, so all the reachable places are searched through by now. Most finds are done at pretty high altitude near retracting glaciers. There you can find area's where nobody has been before. You do need a permit to go strahlen, which can be quite expensive depending on the area and the time you will need. A friend of mine, Frank, has a website about a lot of mineralogy localities in Europe and a special section on the Binn valley in Switzerland, made by Ate. See: www.strahlen.org (go to localities) and http://binn.strahlen.org >Are there good rockhounding sites in the vicinity of Tuscany? There are quite a few interesting sites in Tuscany. Just search mindat.org Most famous are Pereta and Cetine antimony mines. But they exhaust poisonous gasses and are normally off limits. Maybe you can make arrangements with the owner??? Cheers, Maurice From bombastus at worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 25 07:01:25 2004 From: bombastus at worldnet.att.net (Homer Eshbaugh) Date: Wed Aug 25 07:01:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fresno Shops References: <20040822191207.92121.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com><20040824145752.M57028@catspaw-minerals.com> <002b01c48a22$b8965e80$778e4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <002001c48aac$07266020$2399490c@HHEPC> Hello, all - Kevin is right, this IS a helpful site. Another is: http://alicatsrocks.com/2newRockShopsA.html HOWEVER - neither of these list is current. Both show some shops that are out of business (sometimes for years!). You may wish to call each shop to get current info on hours, days of operation, etc. I admit that this does not always work so well. Often, the area code has changed since the rock shop was posted to the list, and you get "unknown number". Try asking the operator for the area code of the town in question, then redial. On a recent trip to Cincinnati, I was unable to contact Emerald Rock and Gift Shop. The phone company listed their number as active, but no one ever answered. Turns out their hours are Tuesday to Thursday, 6:30 PM to 9:00 PM. Silly me, I was calling during normal business hours. Fortunately, the shop was on my way to the motel, and I checked on my way by. Not only does it exist, but it's a wonder place! Good luck in Fresno. Maybe you could list some of the better shops you find. Homer Eshbaugh Mequon, Wisconsin =============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Conroy" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fresno Shops > Hi! > > This should help: > > www.osomin.com/shopsgm.htm > > All the best, > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "catgbrown" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:00 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fresno Shops > > > > Last Minute Request... > > > > I've got an afternoon free here in Fresno (I am "supposed" to finish > teaching > > at around 3 PM) and was wondering if any rock shops within 50 or so miles > > come to mind... I've got some nice Sterling Hill material looking for a > west- > > coast home. > > > > Thanks much. > > Gary > > > > PS. Oh, it has been glorious... my boys & I took a five day vacation > before > > I started giving this training session. Three Whole Days without internet > or > > cell phone access! Heh, heh... I made the boys take back the first batch > of > > stones when I sent 'em home to St. Paul yesterday. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Hammerron at aol.com Wed Aug 25 09:23:31 2004 From: Hammerron at aol.com (Hammerron@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 25 09:23:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? Message-ID: <1a4.27fa3b31.2e5e1703@aol.com> Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is the 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. -Ron --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hbarwood at troyst.edu Wed Aug 25 11:03:55 2004 From: hbarwood at troyst.edu (Henry Barwood) Date: Wed Aug 25 11:01:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: <1a4.27fa3b31.2e5e1703@aol.com> Message-ID: Can't comment on the toughness of jades, but my nomination for the toughest substance on earth is hornfels. Baked wall rocks in the Arkansas syenites that are thermally metamorphosed Stanley Shale (hornfels) resist hammers, drills and crushers to an amazing extent. Mostly they represent interlocking amphibole crystals in thin sections. Similar to the reported fabric of jade. Henry Barwood -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Hammerron@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:24 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is the 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. -Ron --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From murowchickj at umkc.edu Wed Aug 25 11:29:56 2004 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (J B Murowchick) Date: Wed Aug 25 11:30:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll second Henry's hornfels nomination! I've chipped chisels and broken hammer handles on hornfels (with only a few chips to show for the effort) in SE Kansas, Arkansas, and the Black Hills. Regarding Ron's question-- Jades are definitely tough rocks, but mineral hardness, tenacity and cleavage, and the fabric of the rock (especially the nature of grain boundaries and interlocking textures) all play a role in the "toughness" of the rock. I doubt one could conclusively say that either nephrite or jadeite jade is tougher in general. They're both strong and resistant to wear and chipping, yet workable--hence their use in stone tools. Emery (fine-grained corundum) might give them a run for their money in the toughness competition, though. I recently reviewed a paper on an ancient Chinese axe head made from emery that had a polished surface finish. The controversy around the piece was on whether it had been worked with diamond grit, or some other abrasive (like corundum). The authors claimed the surface finishing features indicated diamond, but not everyone is convinced. But despite the artifacts age and past use, it still retained a keen edge and polish. Jim __________________________________________________________ Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu 5110 Rockhill Road Kansas City, MO 64110 on 8/25/04 1:03 PM, Henry Barwood at hbarwood@troyst.edu wrote: > Can't comment on the toughness of jades, but my nomination for the toughest > substance on earth is hornfels. Baked wall rocks in the Arkansas syenites > that are thermally metamorphosed Stanley Shale (hornfels) resist hammers, > drills and crushers to an amazing extent. Mostly they represent interlocking > amphibole crystals in thin sections. Similar to the reported fabric of jade. > > Henry Barwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > Hammerron@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:24 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > > > Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it > with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is > the > 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. > > -Ron > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jaybates at rcn.com Wed Aug 25 11:49:24 2004 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Wed Aug 25 11:48:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? References: <1a4.27fa3b31.2e5e1703@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c48ad4$3e10ba40$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> I can only tell you that I have had the privilege to bang on Clear Creek Jadeite boulders and Nephrite boulders on the Eel river in California with a sledge hammer and was very impressed by how tough they are. The sledge hammer did considerable bouncing. You would think the Clear Creek jadeite would not be so tough but it certainly was. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it > with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is the > 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. > > -Ron > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Aug 25 12:29:06 2004 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Aug 25 14:30:35 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lurking With Occasional Spasms of Verbosity References: Message-ID: <001401c48ad9$cef956c0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Thank you for the information Maurice. I corresponded briefly with Frank a few years ago but had forgotten about his website. He seems like a fun guy! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" >A friend of mine, Frank, has a > website about a lot of mineralogy localities in Europe From frankdewit at home.nl Wed Aug 25 14:46:28 2004 From: frankdewit at home.nl (Frank de Wit) Date: Wed Aug 25 14:46:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lurking With Occasional Spasms of Verbosity In-Reply-To: <001401c48ad9$cef956c0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <001401c48ad9$cef956c0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <412D08B4.4090106@home.nl> most people hate me ;-) by the way: I just returned from 5 weeks of holiday in rumania, hungary and switzerland (now you really hate me :-) I will add pics etc to www.strahlen.org as soon as I have time again I did not take my laptop with me on holiday for the first time, that was great, no computer for 5 weeks, almost no cell-phone for 5 weeks the only communication was between me and my girlfriend and dog and hand/foot communication with the nice people in rumania :-) But that left me with about 850 unread emails when I returned home late sunday and lots of update work on the site; about 1.200 pictures of the visited localities to add Now I hate email and I hate the internet, I hate my site, I wish I was still on holiday.... ;-) hojje! Frank John Siebel wrote: >Thank you for the information Maurice. I corresponded briefly with Frank a >few years ago but had forgotten about his website. He seems like a fun guy! > >John > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maurice de Graaf" > > >>A friend of mine, Frank, has a >>website about a lot of mineralogy localities in Europe >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 25 14:46:59 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Aug 25 14:46:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lurking With Occasional Spasms of Verbosity In-Reply-To: <001401c48ad9$cef956c0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: Frank is on this list, but apparently he allows us to gossip about him, without intervening :-)) Yep he is a fun guy and he just had his five weeks of rockhounding fun in Romania and surroundings. So he is probably sleeping rightnow ;-)) cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of John Siebel Sent: 25 August 2004 21:29 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lurking With Occasional Spasms of Verbosity Thank you for the information Maurice. I corresponded briefly with Frank a few years ago but had forgotten about his website. He seems like a fun guy! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" >A friend of mine, Frank, has a > website about a lot of mineralogy localities in Europe _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Wed Aug 25 15:38:02 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Aug 25 15:34:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040821142647.02ee3a80@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <200408252234.i7PMY019032146@bubbleator.drizzle.com> And I'm tickled... A cab of Hardystonite I got from Stu on eBay is in the book! Fun! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Kitty & Bill Heacox > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: [Rockhounds]Fluorescent Minerals book > > Hi List, > > I just received a new book by Stuart Schneider: "Collecting > Fluorescent Minerals," that I ordered from George Polman. ..... From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Wed Aug 25 15:53:00 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Aug 25 15:49:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408252248.i7PMmx19002500@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Tough? I chipped the corner end off a nice estwing 1/2" chisel trying to get out some Herkimer diamonds. Tough Stuff, that matrix. gcb > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J > B Murowchick > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:30 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > > I'll second Henry's hornfels nomination! I've chipped > chisels and broken hammer handles on hornfels (with only a .... From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Aug 25 18:47:35 2004 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Wed Aug 25 18:47:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: <200408252248.i7PMmx19002500@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002b01c48b0e$ad75fb90$0200a8c0@gametime> Gary: You only broke one chisel? I, my family and my brothers family broke 7 chisels (all we had with us) our last time there. Of course it took us three days to break them all. So, which crystal mine did you visit and how was it? Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:53 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? Tough? I chipped the corner end off a nice estwing 1/2" chisel trying to get out some Herkimer diamonds. Tough Stuff, that matrix. gcb > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J > B Murowchick > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:30 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > > I'll second Henry's hornfels nomination! I've chipped > chisels and broken hammer handles on hornfels (with only a .... _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Aug 26 08:02:55 2004 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Aug 26 08:02:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? Message-ID: <082620041502.14961.412DFB9F00091C8200003A71216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I don't know that there's any formal scale or way to measure "toughness" of a rock--it sounds like there are a number of good candidates. I suppose that some of rock mechanics parameters to measure the compressive strength of a rock, might apply. But I don't know how often those (destructive of the sample) measurements have been used on gem-quality jade or jadeite! [This message may take a while to get posted, until Aaron reviews and accepts it, because I'm writing it not from my home computer--using my sister's, in Somersworth NH, while I'm there for two weeks on summer vacation--so it will come in as an "off-list" post. Lovely, perfect weather here this week--sunny, in the 70's, neither hot nor humid nor rainy!] Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from Hammerron@aol.com: -------------- > Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it > with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is the > 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. > > -Ron > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Thu Aug 26 08:55:32 2004 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Thu Aug 26 08:51:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? References: <002b01c48b0e$ad75fb90$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <001101c48b85$1e8ced40$5f7aa118@feldsparflash> If you all are talking about the matrix of Herkimer Diamonds in the Herkimer, NY area you are describing dolostone. It is extremely tough and certainly will break a lot of chisels. This dolostone contains a high level of small particles of quartz which lock the rock tight. You will notice these glistening bits in strong sunlight. Many choose to dig in the soil under trees hoping to find crystals that have finally been released. Carolyn Reynard From: "Ted" To: ; "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > Gary: > You only broke one chisel? I, my family and my brothers family broke 7 > chisels (all we had with us) our last time there. Of course it took us three > days to break them all. > > So, which crystal mine did you visit and how was it? > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:53 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > > Tough? I chipped the corner end off a nice estwing 1/2" chisel trying to > get out some Herkimer diamonds. Tough Stuff, that matrix. > > gcb > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J > > B Murowchick > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:30 PM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > > > > I'll second Henry's hornfels nomination! I've chipped > > chisels and broken hammer handles on hornfels (with only a .... > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jabac at hal-pc.org Thu Aug 26 09:29:39 2004 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Thu Aug 26 09:22:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: <082620041502.14961.412DFB9F00091C8200003A71216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <082620041502.14961.412DFB9F00091C8200003A71216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <1093537779.2735.42.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 10:02, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > I don't know that there's any formal scale or way to measure "toughness" of a rock --it sounds like there are a number of good candidates. I suppose that some of rock mechanics parameters to measure the compressive strength of a rock, might apply. But I don't know how often those (destructive of the sample) measurements have been used on gem-quality jade or jadeite! Pete Modreski > -------------- Original message from Hammerron@aol.com: -------------- > > > Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it > > with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is the > > 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. > > > > -Ron > > Strength of Materials is a major engineering discipline, primarily involved with metals, structural materials, and welds. There are many defined parameters and tests to determine such things as elasticity, compressibility, fracture strength, and toughness. Concrete cores are routinely tested for hardened strength, for instance. One definition I like for fracture toughness (which is what's breaking chisels on jade and hornfels) is "a measure of the ability to resist the growth of a pre-existing crack or flaw". The closely-interlocking fibers of amphiboles and xtals of hornfels resist creating a crack along a plane. One's sledge hammer creates a crack, but it doesn't go very far. That property also makes it relatively easy to carve in fine detail on jade. This can also be seen in the weathering of rocks. Picture the jagged outlines of uplifted arkose rocks and shales, and the rounded soft contours of granite (made popular in all those old Western movies). The granite resists forming deep cracks unless there is considerable mica content. That may result in peeling off of layers like an onion (Stone Mtn, Ga.) Basalt has a curious property of breaking in hexagonal columns like those in The Devil's Post pile. I don't suppose there has been much research on non-structural materials. Most of the tests give relative hardness or toughness between two or more samples, and are relatively limited in range. Nephrite and Jadeite should have similar toughness since they have a similar fibrous structure. It would appear that rockhounds are stuck with the good old Moh's Scale for hardness, and anecdotal evidence for toughness. john From hbarwood at troyst.edu Thu Aug 26 09:26:15 2004 From: hbarwood at troyst.edu (Henry Barwood) Date: Thu Aug 26 09:23:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: <082620041502.14961.412DFB9F00091C8200003A71216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Your comment about rock mechanics caused me to wonder if anyone has actually measured the strength of jade, hornfels, etc. Compressive strength would likely be quite high, but the real test would be tensional strength. Since there are several ASTM tests for this, I wonder which one would be appropriate (bending versus twisting versus pulling apart, etc.). Just curious. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:03 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? I don't know that there's any formal scale or way to measure "toughness" of a rock--it sounds like there are a number of good candidates. I suppose that some of rock mechanics parameters to measure the compressive strength of a rock, might apply. But I don't know how often those (destructive of the sample) measurements have been used on gem-quality jade or jadeite! [This message may take a while to get posted, until Aaron reviews and accepts it, because I'm writing it not from my home computer--using my sister's, in Somersworth NH, while I'm there for two weeks on summer vacation--so it will come in as an "off-list" post. Lovely, perfect weather here this week--sunny, in the 70's, neither hot nor humid nor rainy!] Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from Hammerron@aol.com: -------------- > Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it > with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is the > 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. > > -Ron > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From nmartin at bbn.com Thu Aug 26 10:24:09 2004 From: nmartin at bbn.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Thu Aug 26 10:24:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? In-Reply-To: References: <082620041502.14961.412DFB9F00091C8200003A71216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040826125126.01e3a590@po2.bbn.com> Pete, Henry, Ron, et al For most engineering materials (including plastics) toughness is not considered to be directly related to either tensile or compressive strength but instead is considered to be more of an ability to resist impact without fracture. The Izod impact test is a common measure of toughness. See for example: http://www.ptli.com/testlopedia/tests/izod-d256-ISO180.asp or http://www.geplastics.com/resins/devprod/impactt.html For example, I believe many high strength steels have high tensile strengths but are very brittle with relatively low impact strength. Based on my anecdotal experience trying to break a wide variety of rocks, I suspect that the same principles would apply to rocks as well. I also suspect that crystal size and orientation associated with the constituent minerals comprising the rock would also be significant sources of variability so that it might be difficult to associate any definitive measure of toughness with a general class of rock. As with most quantitative evaluations, I suspect that achieving a standard uniform sample for testing would be one of the greatest challenges. I did a google search using "rock toughness -band -mental standard" and got a number of interesting hits but a quick review gives the impression that there is no single standard method for rock toughness. An example of one device specifically designed for rock toughness testing can be found at http://www.mts.com/menusystem.asp?DataSource=0&NodeID=734 Wish I had neat toys like that to play with..... Nate Martin Lexington, MA At 12:26 PM 8/26/2004, you wrote: >Hi Pete, > >Your comment about rock mechanics caused me to wonder if anyone has actually >measured the strength of jade, hornfels, etc. Compressive strength would >likely be quite high, but the real test would be tensional strength. Since >there are several ASTM tests for this, I wonder which one would be >appropriate (bending versus twisting versus pulling apart, etc.). Just >curious. > >Henry > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of >pjmodreski@att.net >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:03 AM >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Jade-How tough is it? > > >I don't know that there's any formal scale or way to measure "toughness" of >a rock--it sounds like there are a number of good candidates. I suppose >that some of rock mechanics parameters to measure the compressive strength >of a rock, might apply. But I don't know how often those (destructive of >the sample) measurements have been used on gem-quality jade or jadeite! > >[This message may take a while to get posted, until Aaron reviews and >accepts it, because I'm writing it not from my home computer--using my >sister's, in Somersworth NH, while I'm there for two weeks on summer >vacation--so it will come in as an "off-list" post. Lovely, perfect weather >here this week--sunny, in the 70's, neither hot nor humid nor rainy!] > >Pete Modreski > >-------------- Original message from Hammerron@aol.com: -------------- > > > Though I read once that jade is one of the toughest (as is you can bang it > > with a hammer) stones. Is this so? Is nephrite or jadeite tougher? What is >the > > 'toughest' mineral?....just wondering. > > > > -Ron > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sonskynm at telkomsa.net Thu Aug 26 10:31:21 2004 From: sonskynm at telkomsa.net (Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman) Date: Thu Aug 26 10:31:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER Message-ID: <002d01c48b92$85017d90$010aa8c0@gerhard> MY NAME IS GERHARD BINDEMAN FROM SOUTH AFRICA . I HAVE BEEN A COLLECTOR FOR CLOSE ON 44 YEARS. I AM NOW 51 .MY PREFERENCES ARE AMBER(DIFFICULT TO GET HOLD OF ROUGH AT AN EXCHANGE RATE OF 6.6 TO THE $US)ALSO CRAZY ABOUT SAPPHIRES TANZIES OPALS(ALSO DIFFICULT)RUBIES MOONSTONE LABRADORITE IN FACT MOST ROCKS AND MINERALS AND NOT TO FORGET MY FOSSILS KIND REGARDS GERHARD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ki3u at hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 20:43:08 2004 From: ki3u at hotmail.com (Berj N. Ensanian) Date: Thu Aug 26 20:43:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER Message-ID: Welcome Gerhard. Berj >From: "Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: >Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:31:21 +0200 > >MY NAME IS GERHARD BINDEMAN FROM SOUTH >AFRICA . I HAVE BEEN A COLLECTOR FOR CLOSE >ON 44 YEARS. I AM NOW 51 .MY PREFERENCES >ARE AMBER(DIFFICULT TO GET HOLD OF ROUGH >AT AN EXCHANGE RATE OF 6.6 TO THE $US)ALSO >CRAZY ABOUT SAPPHIRES TANZIES OPALS(ALSO >DIFFICULT)RUBIES MOONSTONE LABRADORITE >IN FACT MOST ROCKS AND MINERALS AND NOT >TO FORGET MY FOSSILS >KIND REGARDS GERHARD > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From pchil at botsnet.bw Mon Aug 23 22:53:38 2004 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Thu Aug 26 22:53:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER References: <002d01c48b92$85017d90$010aa8c0@gerhard> Message-ID: <001601c4899e$ea0ee7e0$d148a7a8@hulley> >From a fellow South African now resident in Botswana, welcome! Hildagarde Hulley. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER MY NAME IS GERHARD BINDEMAN FROM SOUTH AFRICA . I HAVE BEEN A COLLECTOR FOR CLOSE ON 44 YEARS. I AM NOW 51 .MY PREFERENCES ARE AMBER(DIFFICULT TO GET HOLD OF ROUGH AT AN EXCHANGE RATE OF 6.6 TO THE $US)ALSO CRAZY ABOUT SAPPHIRES TANZIES OPALS(ALSO DIFFICULT)RUBIES MOONSTONE LABRADORITE IN FACT MOST ROCKS AND MINERALS AND NOT TO FORGET MY FOSSILS KIND REGARDS GERHARD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Aug 26 11:45:23 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Aug 27 10:45:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER References: <002d01c48b92$85017d90$010aa8c0@gerhard> Message-ID: <000601c48c5d$a4d42430$d84027c4@privatehome> Hi Gerhard, Please contact me off-line in case you are not a memberr of any South African Gem and Mineral Club. (I was Chairman of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club from 1967 to 2001). E-mail_ horstwindisch@absamail.co.za Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW MEMBER MY NAME IS GERHARD BINDEMAN FROM SOUTH AFRICA . I HAVE BEEN A COLLECTOR FOR CLOSE ON 44 YEARS. I AM NOW 51 .MY PREFERENCES ARE AMBER(DIFFICULT TO GET HOLD OF ROUGH AT AN EXCHANGE RATE OF 6.6 TO THE $US)ALSO CRAZY ABOUT SAPPHIRES TANZIES OPALS(ALSO DIFFICULT)RUBIES MOONSTONE LABRADORITE IN FACT MOST ROCKS AND MINERALS AND NOT TO FORGET MY FOSSILS KIND REGARDS GERHARD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kjvgorock at juno.com Fri Aug 27 19:28:07 2004 From: kjvgorock at juno.com (kjvgorock@juno.com) Date: Fri Aug 27 19:29:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD eBay posts - thumbnail Cuprite Message-ID: <20040827.212807.2392.5.kjvgorock@juno.com> Hi All, Just wanted to mention my latest postings on eBay. Besides my usual assortment of uncommon Keokuk geodes, I'm selling some old-time thumbnail mineral specimens for a club member - take a look - there are some nice tourmalines & a nice cuprite specimen. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=kv_goo drocks Later, Ken Vaisvil kv_goodrocks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tutor at tuks.co.za Sun Aug 29 02:43:53 2004 From: tutor at tuks.co.za (Johan Lubbe) Date: Sun Aug 29 09:53:20 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: NEW MEMBER (Johan Lubbe) Message-ID: <1093772633.4131a5599bac4@student.up.ac.za> Welcome to the list Gerhard, I also belong to PGMC (Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club). This comming Saturday we are having our monthly Swap n Sell -Come have a look :) Best Regards Johan From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 11:50:53 2004 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Aug 29 11:50:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <20040829185053.38587.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> I've posted another update to my micromineral pricelist on www.sauktown.com . This time it includes some type localities: Zellerite from the Lucky Mac Mine, Wyoming Phillipsite-K from Capo do Bove, Italy Melanovanadite from Minasragra, Peru Periclase from Monte Somma, Italy There's also fluellite from Kapunga, SA, Australia. I'm moving my mailing list address book to a different mail client, and may have inroduced some errors. If you get more than one copy of this message (directly, rather than through lists), please let me know which address I should use. If you are getting this in error, or do not want to get these updates, please let me know, so that I can delete your address from the list. Thanks, Jim Daly ===== Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Micromount material and supplies http://www.sauktown.com/ orders@sauktown.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From mdmccormack at houston.rr.com Sun Aug 29 13:38:53 2004 From: mdmccormack at houston.rr.com (Michael D. McCormack) Date: Sun Aug 29 13:39:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales In-Reply-To: <20040829185053.38587.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I'd like to order the following from your list: 1420 Zellerite Lucky Mac Mine Fremont Co., WY $2.00 Glassy yellow crust. TYPE LOCALITY 1426 Phillipsite-K Capo do Bove Rome, Italy $2.00 Cluster of colorless crystals. TYPE LOCALITY Let me know if these are still available and I will send you a check for the items + shipping. Thnaks Mike McCormack 5702 Sapphire Vista Lane Houston, TX 77041 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Jim Daly Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:51 PM To: RocksandFossils; Micromounts; mineralcollecting@yahoogroups.com; eminerals@yahoogroups.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales I've posted another update to my micromineral pricelist on www.sauktown.com . This time it includes some type localities: Zellerite from the Lucky Mac Mine, Wyoming Phillipsite-K from Capo do Bove, Italy Melanovanadite from Minasragra, Peru Periclase from Monte Somma, Italy There's also fluellite from Kapunga, SA, Australia. I'm moving my mailing list address book to a different mail client, and may have inroduced some errors. If you get more than one copy of this message (directly, rather than through lists), please let me know which address I should use. If you are getting this in error, or do not want to get these updates, please let me know, so that I can delete your address from the list. Thanks, Jim Daly ===== Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Micromount material and supplies http://www.sauktown.com/ orders@sauktown.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From imagineminerals at cox.net Sun Aug 29 16:08:59 2004 From: imagineminerals at cox.net (IMAGINE) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:09:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: NEW MEMBER (Johan Lubbe)[LashBack] References: <1093772633.4131a5599bac4@student.up.ac.za> Message-ID: <00ed01c48e1d$2b17c3b0$6400a8c0@imagine> This e-mail is not for me I keep getting your e-mail and orders in my e-mail account at cox.net. Can't figure that one out. Sandy IMAGINE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Lubbe" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: NEW MEMBER (Johan Lubbe)[LashBack] > > Welcome to the list Gerhard, I also belong to PGMC (Pretoria Gem and > Mineral Club). This comming Saturday we are having our monthly Swap n > Sell -Come have a look :) > > Best Regards > Johan > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From imagineminerals at cox.net Sun Aug 29 16:10:05 2004 From: imagineminerals at cox.net (IMAGINE) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:10:10 2004 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales[LashBack] Message-ID: <00f301c48e1d$5294b650$6400a8c0@imagine> This e-mail is for you not me. Not sure why I am receiving these. Sandy IMAGINe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: "RocksandFossils" ; "Micromounts" ; ; ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales[LashBack] > I've posted another update to my micromineral > pricelist on www.sauktown.com . > This time it includes some type localities: > Zellerite from the Lucky Mac Mine, Wyoming > Phillipsite-K from Capo do Bove, Italy > Melanovanadite from Minasragra, Peru > Periclase from Monte Somma, Italy > > There's also fluellite from Kapunga, SA, Australia. > > I'm moving my mailing list address book to a different > mail client, and may have inroduced some errors. If > you get more than one copy of this message (directly, > rather than through lists), please let me know which > address I should use. > If you are getting this in error, or do not want to > get these updates, please let me know, so that I can > delete your address from the list. > Thanks, > Jim Daly > > ===== > > Jim Daly > > Sauktown Sales > > Micromount material and supplies > > http://www.sauktown.com/ > > orders@sauktown.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Sun Aug 29 17:02:01 2004 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:58:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Natrolite Gel In-Reply-To: <1093772633.4131a5599bac4@student.up.ac.za> Message-ID: <200408292358.i7TNw62H024386@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Weird. I'm prepping some Benitoite specimens using the usual 4:1 (H20:HCl) (HCl = 30% concentration at start) to dissolve the encasing Natrolite. As usual I pulled the specimens out of the soup before I went to bed... No sense letting 'em dissolve into nothingness, eh? This morning when I went to plunk the chunks back into the solution I found that the soup had turned to a clear gel. Question: If I leave the gel to evaporate down, or if I suspend some sort of seed crystal in it, will I get home-grown natrolite crystals? Enquiring minds want to know... Regards, Gary http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From lanny at lrream.com Sun Aug 29 17:28:13 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Aug 29 17:27:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Message-ID: <7ADA5E80-FA1B-11D8-90A1-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi all, I got hung up on other things during the last week, but finally here is the book list for the next contest: 1 - "A Mineral Trip to Nova Scotia" by George A. Wilson, reprined from Rocks and Minerals, July 1951, 252 p. 2 - "The Mineralogy of Western Connecticut and Southeastern New York State" 1967, by Ronald Everett Januzzi.137 p. 3 - "Mineral Guide to New England" by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other People. 1963, 40 p. with lots of maps. 4 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 1, Western Maine" 1958, by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other People, 80 p. with lots of maps. 5 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 2, Eastern Maine" 1959, by Philip Morrill and Wm. P. Hinckley, 80 p. with lots of maps. 6 - " Gem Hunting Areas" New Hampshire & Vermont, 22 areas with maps, by Cindy and Jim Hancock, single pages stapled inside a cover. 7 - "Maine Pegmatite Mines and Prospects and Associated Minerals" Maine Geological Survey Minerals Resources Index No. 1, 43 pages of listings and maps, plus a copy of the Rumford, ME 15 min. topo. The winner takes the whole bunch, s&h fee of $5.00. The contest is based on Kreigh's "should have" entry in the last contest: "The most recent mineral I collected, because I liked it enough to bring it home -- and still do." Using that as the theme, the contest is submit a short report on a recent rockhound collecting trip emphasizing any factor of the trip (material collected, fun time, bad time, good friends or ?). The rules are: 1) Email submissions to list must be received by 6:00PM PDT Wednesday, Sept. 1. 2) There is no length limit, but be considerate of the list and our attention spans. 3) The winner will be chosen by popular vote. Vote by responding to the list. 4) I maintain the right to disqualify anyone for any reason I choose. 4) I will choose the winner in the event of a tie or other problem. 5) Votes must be received on the list by 9:00 PM PDT Friday, Sept. 3, 2004. Happy writing and submitting. Lanny From hbarwood at troyst.edu Sun Aug 29 17:49:41 2004 From: hbarwood at troyst.edu (Henry Barwood) Date: Sun Aug 29 17:49:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Natrolite Gel In-Reply-To: <200408292358.i7TNw62H024386@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, Likely you got a mass of silica gel. Not uncommon with acid treatment of zeolites. Back about 25 years ago we had problems with saturated silica precipitating artificial zeolites in some of our analytical digestions. Never seem to get back what you started with though. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:02 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: [Rockhounds] Natrolite Gel Weird. I'm prepping some Benitoite specimens using the usual 4:1 (H20:HCl) (HCl = 30% concentration at start) to dissolve the encasing Natrolite. As usual I pulled the specimens out of the soup before I went to bed... No sense letting 'em dissolve into nothingness, eh? This morning when I went to plunk the chunks back into the solution I found that the soup had turned to a clear gel. Question: If I leave the gel to evaporate down, or if I suspend some sort of seed crystal in it, will I get home-grown natrolite crystals? Enquiring minds want to know... Regards, Gary http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From phantomR at peoplepc.com Sun Aug 29 18:18:06 2004 From: phantomR at peoplepc.com (terry) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:12:20 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lake Placid NY Message-ID: <001201c48e2f$3516a4a0$7f448141@r2t2g1> Greetings, We are vacationing in Lake Placid NY in two weeks. Does anyone on the list have any recomendations. Any collecting within 2-3 hours or favorite restaurants? Thank you, Terry & Veneta Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Sun Aug 29 18:43:01 2004 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:43:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lake Placid NY Message-ID: <19a.28f6a2b4.2e63e025@aol.com> Hi. Check one the trail that climbs the cliff, between the Cascade Lakes. There are diopsides and other minerals there. It's a calcium rich strip. Check www.mindat.org for the other minerals there. smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From phantomR at peoplepc.com Sun Aug 29 19:04:29 2004 From: phantomR at peoplepc.com (terry) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:58:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] contest Message-ID: <001b01c48e35$afaa4900$7f448141@r2t2g1> Last week-end we went to a picnic for the members and guests of the Che-Hanna Rock &Mineral Club. There was a gentleman there who put out 5 large flats of excess from his collection. I was fortunate enough to bring home a piece of calcite that he collected from a shale pit in Athens Pa. Imagine that, minerals in Pennsylvania. But, what joy it was to see our 4 year old grandson in action. After helping our host Clyf Bourne do some fishing, he collected three bags of rocks & minerals to take home to his confused parents. Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From MCGINNISG at aol.com Sun Aug 29 19:09:32 2004 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 29 19:09:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase Message-ID: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com> Where is blue chrysoprase found? Yes, blue chrysoprase not green. Thanx Timm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Sun Aug 29 19:27:53 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Aug 29 19:27:18 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase In-Reply-To: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com> References: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com> Message-ID: <413290A9.6080602@att.net> Hi, I can't answer the question, but I will suggest that the spelling is "chrysophrase." I did a web search and couldn't find any, though I did find blue chalcedony, and chrysophrase is green chalcedony after all. I always thought the name "chrysophrase" was specific to the green material, but I could be wrong, and since it is a colloquial name like "druse" you are likely to find varied opinions on the matter. However, if you're not having any luck finding it, try "blue chalcedony" instead. Good luck, Don MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > Where is blue chrysoprase found? Yes, blue chrysoprase not green. > > Thanx > Timm From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 29 20:32:58 2004 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:19:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase References: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com> Message-ID: <41329CBF.40A8@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Where is blue chrysoprase found? Yes, blue chrysoprase not green. > > Thanx > Timm Chrysoprase is accepted as the name for (apple) green chalcedony from a tradition thousands of years old. While you may find a blue chalcedony, it should not be called chrysoprase. Kreigh From tim at orerockon.com Sun Aug 29 22:11:01 2004 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Aug 29 22:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase In-Reply-To: <41329CBF.40A8@Tomaszewski.net> References: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com> <41329CBF.40A8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829220239.0260ea90@mail.spiritone.com> Some dealers are reselling the blue chalcedony (it's actually a lavender color) from the Amethyst Sage claim of West Coast Mining in the Black Rock Desert, NV, as "blue chrysophrase". Telling them that it cannot be chrysophrase (chrysos is Greek for GOLD so go figure) is a fruitless exercise. Just like telling them that Stinkingwater Pass white plume agate is not fossilized coral. Sigh. At 08:32 PM 8/29/2004, you wrote: >MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > > > Where is blue chrysoprase found? Yes, blue chrysoprase not green. > > > > Thanx > > Timm > >Chrysoprase is accepted as the name for (apple) green chalcedony from a >tradition thousands of years old. > >While you may find a blue chalcedony, it should not be called >chrysoprase. > >Kreigh > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Bozo5 at aol.com Sun Aug 29 22:46:46 2004 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 29 22:46:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase Message-ID: They probably stock it next to the "lemon" chrysoprase (which is neither green nor chalcedony). > Some dealers are reselling the blue chalcedony (it's actually a lavender > color) from the Amethyst Sage claim of West Coast Mining in the Black Rock > Desert, NV, as "blue chrysophrase". --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From imagineminerals at cox.net Sun Aug 29 22:46:58 2004 From: imagineminerals at cox.net (IMAGINE) Date: Sun Aug 29 22:47:01 2004 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway![LashBack] Message-ID: <003401c48e54$c3d59cd0$6400a8c0@imagine> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com : A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway![LashBack] > Hi all, > > I got hung up on other things during the last week, but finally here is > the book list for the next contest: > > 1 - "A Mineral Trip to Nova Scotia" by George A. Wilson, reprined from > Rocks and Minerals, July 1951, 252 p. > 2 - "The Mineralogy of Western Connecticut and Southeastern New York > State" 1967, by Ronald Everett Januzzi.137 p. > 3 - "Mineral Guide to New England" by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other > People. 1963, 40 p. with lots of maps. > 4 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 1, Western Maine" 1958, by Philip > Morrill and A Lot of Other People, 80 p. with lots of maps. > 5 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 2, Eastern Maine" 1959, by Philip > Morrill and Wm. P. Hinckley, 80 p. with lots of maps. > 6 - " Gem Hunting Areas" New Hampshire & Vermont, 22 areas with maps, > by Cindy and Jim Hancock, single pages stapled inside a cover. > 7 - "Maine Pegmatite Mines and Prospects and Associated Minerals" Maine > Geological Survey Minerals Resources Index No. 1, 43 pages of listings > and maps, plus a copy of the Rumford, ME 15 min. topo. > > The winner takes the whole bunch, s&h fee of $5.00. > > The contest is based on Kreigh's "should have" entry in the last > contest: "The most recent mineral I collected, because I liked it > enough to bring it home -- and still do." > > Using that as the theme, the contest is submit a short report on a > recent rockhound collecting trip emphasizing any factor of the trip > (material collected, fun time, bad time, good friends or ?). > > The rules are: > 1) Email submissions to list must be received by 6:00PM PDT Wednesday, > Sept. 1. > 2) There is no length limit, but be considerate of the list and our > attention spans. > 3) The winner will be chosen by popular vote. Vote by responding to the > list. > 4) I maintain the right to disqualify anyone for any reason I choose. > 4) I will choose the winner in the event of a tie or other problem. > 5) Votes must be received on the list by 9:00 PM PDT Friday, Sept. 3, > 2004. > > Happy writing and submitting. > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From imagineminerals at cox.net Sun Aug 29 22:47:17 2004 From: imagineminerals at cox.net (IMAGINE) Date: Sun Aug 29 22:47:19 2004 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales[LashBack][LashBack] Message-ID: <003a01c48e54$cf692cb0$6400a8c0@imagine> ----- Original Message ----- From: "IMAGINE" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales[LashBack][LashBack] > This e-mail is for you not me. Not sure why I am receiving these. > > Sandy > IMAGINe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Daly" > To: "RocksandFossils" ; "Micromounts" > ; ; > ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors" > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:50 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales[LashBack][LashBack] > > > > I've posted another update to my micromineral > > pricelist on www.sauktown.com . > > This time it includes some type localities: > > Zellerite from the Lucky Mac Mine, Wyoming > > Phillipsite-K from Capo do Bove, Italy > > Melanovanadite from Minasragra, Peru > > Periclase from Monte Somma, Italy > > > > There's also fluellite from Kapunga, SA, Australia. > > > > I'm moving my mailing list address book to a different > > mail client, and may have inroduced some errors. If > > you get more than one copy of this message (directly, > > rather than through lists), please let me know which > > address I should use. > > If you are getting this in error, or do not want to > > get these updates, please let me know, so that I can > > delete your address from the list. > > Thanks, > > Jim Daly > > > > ===== > > > > Jim Daly > > > > Sauktown Sales > > > > Micromount material and supplies > > > > http://www.sauktown.com/ > > > > orders@sauktown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From imagineminerals at cox.net Sun Aug 29 22:47:37 2004 From: imagineminerals at cox.net (IMAGINE) Date: Sun Aug 29 22:47:39 2004 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase[LashBack] Message-ID: <004001c48e54$daf7da90$6400a8c0@imagine> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase[LashBack] > Where is blue chrysoprase found? Yes, blue chrysoprase not green. > > Thanx > Timm > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From imagineminerals at cox.net Sun Aug 29 22:48:00 2004 From: imagineminerals at cox.net (IMAGINE) Date: Sun Aug 29 22:48:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <005001c48e54$e8f76160$6400a8c0@imagine> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 message/rfc822 message/rfc822 message/rfc822 message/rfc822 message/rfc822 --- From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Sun Aug 29 23:26:23 2004 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Linda Rasmussen) Date: Sun Aug 29 23:25:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase References: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com><41329CBF.40A8@Tomaszewski.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20040829220239.0260ea90@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <002601c48e5a$467fd4c0$635fe842@litleval> Bought some of that Blue " Chrysoprase ", actually a beautiful lavender with nice designs, tumbled some chips and cut a couple of cabs, guess what ? in a couple of months it turned out to be " CLEAR " Chrysoprase, so far all of it has turned clear. what a surprise, dadnabit. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Fisher To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase > Some dealers are reselling the blue chalcedony (it's actually a lavender > color) from the Amethyst Sage claim of West Coast Mining in the Black Rock > Desert, NV, as "blue chrysophrase". Telling them that it cannot be > chrysophrase (chrysos is Greek for GOLD so go figure) is a fruitless > exercise. Just like telling them that Stinkingwater Pass white plume agate > is not fossilized coral. Sigh. > > > At 08:32 PM 8/29/2004, you wrote: > >MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Where is blue chrysoprase found? Yes, blue chrysoprase not green. > > > > > > Thanx > > > Timm > > > >Chrysoprase is accepted as the name for (apple) green chalcedony from a > >tradition thousands of years old. > > > >While you may find a blue chalcedony, it should not be called > >chrysoprase. > > > >Kreigh > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From MCGINNISG at aol.com Mon Aug 30 00:32:22 2004 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 30 00:32:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More on Blue Chysoprase Message-ID: <15c.3d459e15.2e643206@aol.com> The piece I have was purchased at a rock show during the 1960's. It was identified only as "Blue Chrysoprase" with no location listed. It is not lavender chalcedony. This material is more like a chrysocolla (colored) chalcedony with a chrysoprase structure. If you look at the piece and disregard the color it looks like a lesser grade chrysoprase if compared to fine Australian apple green chrysoprase. The structure resembles some of the better grade chrysoprase from California but the color isn't the California light green color but a rich dark chrysocolla blue color. Timm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Aug 30 01:32:26 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Aug 30 01:32:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Natrolite Gel References: <200408292358.i7TNw62H024386@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001301c48e6b$e244efb0$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> Congrats, Gary you've made waterglass (contaminated with NaCl and AlCl3 but still). The same will happen if you treat nepheline or certain other silicates with acid. I don't think you can grow back the original mineral in that acid environment. Maybe starting from sodiumaluminate in a gel of sodiummetasilicate you can? I'm not sure but who knows ;-)))) Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:02 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Natrolite Gel > > Weird. I'm prepping some Benitoite specimens using the usual 4:1 (H20:HCl) > (HCl = 30% concentration at start) to dissolve the encasing Natrolite. As > usual I pulled the specimens out of the soup before I went to bed... No > sense letting 'em dissolve into nothingness, eh? This morning when I went > to plunk the chunks back into the solution I found that the soup had turned > to a clear gel. Question: If I leave the gel to evaporate down, or if I > suspend some sort of seed crystal in it, will I get home-grown natrolite > crystals? > > Enquiring minds want to know... > > Regards, > Gary > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Aug 30 02:33:54 2004 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Aug 30 02:33:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Chrysoprase References: <54.32537e25.2e63e65c@aol.com> <41329CBF.40A8@Tomaszewski.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20040829220239.0260ea90@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <003a01c48e74$776ae060$1cbffea9@HPAXEL> >Telling them that it cannot be > chrysophrase (chrysos is Greek for GOLD so go figure) is a fruitless > exercise. Which doesn't mean that the chrysos (khrusos) points to the COLOR. In fact crysocolla is a BLUE mineral. The name comes from "khrusos" and "kolla", which mean "gold and "glue" or more general "adhesive". Indeed the mineral was used to set gems in jewelry by gluing them into gold "setting claws" (don't know the jewelers terminology) in ancient times. The same gold-color-confusion probably applies to chrysoprase. Prasos is Greek for "leek" indicating the pale green color. Since chrysoprase is colored by colloidal nickelhydroxide it is either green or some other mineral. There a ways to make other colors with nickel: adding dimethylglyoxime to a nickel solution will precipitate a bright pink gel, while adding ammonia turns the solution deep violet (if I remember correctly). In the hydrothermal silica-rich environment in which chrysoprase is formed, green is the only color to expect. There is one anomalous behavior that is sometimes see in this semiprecious stone. Some specimens of Brazilian chrysoprase (correctly determined a such) seem to fluoresce in a medium strong pale green (somewhat stronger under the Triplebright SW than under a battery of LW (blacklights). Normally this would be impossible since nickel is a known quencher of fluorescence. Upon closer examination however, the chrysoprase looks porous and seems to have been impregnated with some fluorescent material, possibly calcite. Anyway, it's he impregnation that fluoresces, lighting up the chrysoprase from inside the specimen hence the green color. Cheerzzzz Axel From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Mon Aug 30 03:17:52 2004 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Mon Aug 30 03:17:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! In-Reply-To: <7ADA5E80-FA1B-11D8-90A1-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Ok my story is about a huge trip I conducted a year ago. I quite suddenly got an invitation and the opportunity to go to Kamchatka. I collect Russian minerals, but had never been to Russia before. The main reason for the trip was to visit a dear friend, but of course you can't go to Kamchatka without rockhounding. I traveled alone and beeing familiar with Russian mineralogy and topography, the flight from Moscow to Kamchatka was absolutely great. I saw the coal mines of Vorkuta with burning dumps, the Polar Ural, the Norilsk area, a huge diamond mine in Yakutia (Aykhal?) and placer gold deposit in the Kolyma area. For some odd reason out approach into Petropavlovsk was not standard and we flew along the entire peninsula. The pilot called out all the volcanoes we flew across. There I got the view of my target, Tolbachik volcano. I spent about a month on Kamchatka having the time of my life. The one problem is that in early june there was still way to much snow! My trip to Mutnovsky volcano (which has numerous interesting fumarol minerals) was blocked by 6 meters of snow on the pass near Gorely volcano. All the time I tried to organise some way of going to Tolbachik. I had very good connections with the Institute of Volcanology, and they really tried to get me there. The over land route was blocked by snow, but a chopper was chartered by a German TV crew. I asked for a ride, which seemed fine, but was cancelled on insurance problems. I managed to fly to the Uzon caldera, but again too much snow to land. In the end I did make it to the valley of the geysers where I collected a few geyserites and got almost eaten by a HUGE Kamchatkan bear(latin. Ursus Arctis Horribilis)! Actually my guide, Vitaly Nikolayenko, was really attacked and killed by a bear a few months later in excatly the same spot.... The reason for this story is that a trip can be very successfull, even without finding any minerals. I met great people, admired the most impressive nature on earth and observed many volcanic phenomena, even an eruption of Karymsky volcano. Rockhounding is about much more than finding minerals. It is really about beeing with nature and meeting nice people. So my most successfull trip brought me the least minerals! And those rare fumarol minerals from Tolbachik, I just continue buying them on mineral shows :-) Cheers, Maurice if interested in pictures, take a look at http://maurice.strahlen.org and go to 'navigation' and then 'Kamchatka'. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: 30 August 2004 02:28 To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com : A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Hi all, I got hung up on other things during the last week, but finally here is the book list for the next contest: 1 - "A Mineral Trip to Nova Scotia" by George A. Wilson, reprined from Rocks and Minerals, July 1951, 252 p. 2 - "The Mineralogy of Western Connecticut and Southeastern New York State" 1967, by Ronald Everett Januzzi.137 p. 3 - "Mineral Guide to New England" by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other People. 1963, 40 p. with lots of maps. 4 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 1, Western Maine" 1958, by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other People, 80 p. with lots of maps. 5 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 2, Eastern Maine" 1959, by Philip Morrill and Wm. P. Hinckley, 80 p. with lots of maps. 6 - " Gem Hunting Areas" New Hampshire & Vermont, 22 areas with maps, by Cindy and Jim Hancock, single pages stapled inside a cover. 7 - "Maine Pegmatite Mines and Prospects and Associated Minerals" Maine Geological Survey Minerals Resources Index No. 1, 43 pages of listings and maps, plus a copy of the Rumford, ME 15 min. topo. The winner takes the whole bunch, s&h fee of $5.00. The contest is based on Kreigh's "should have" entry in the last contest: "The most recent mineral I collected, because I liked it enough to bring it home -- and still do." Using that as the theme, the contest is submit a short report on a recent rockhound collecting trip emphasizing any factor of the trip (material collected, fun time, bad time, good friends or ?). The rules are: 1) Email submissions to list must be received by 6:00PM PDT Wednesday, Sept. 1. 2) There is no length limit, but be considerate of the list and our attention spans. 3) The winner will be chosen by popular vote. Vote by responding to the list. 4) I maintain the right to disqualify anyone for any reason I choose. 4) I will choose the winner in the event of a tie or other problem. 5) Votes must be received on the list by 9:00 PM PDT Friday, Sept. 3, 2004. Happy writing and submitting. Lanny _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From magnet at crocoite.com Mon Aug 30 05:05:29 2004 From: magnet at crocoite.com (magnet) Date: Mon Aug 30 05:03:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Message-ID: <20040830120529.7355.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Lanny (and all you voters out there!) A week or so ago, I visited the Kara Mine, Hampshire, Tasmania, along with a small group of fellow collectors. It is a skarn and mined for magnetite (although at one stage, it was mined for its scheelite). Depending on what part of the open cut is being worked will dictate what minerals you are likely to find. Quite often, nice calcite specimens are found. Other times, andradite might be the flavour of the day. After we had signed in and driven down into the cut, I settled on a face that looked promising. There was a distinct chance of the small veins of calcite opening up into a vugh. Now here comes the fun part. Four or so weeks previously, I had taken flying lessons out the back of my house. What I should have done prior to that was take landing lessons! I slipped on the top of five steps, and landed flat on my back at the bottom (or was that flat on my bottom at the back?). Anyway, I thought that I had broken my wrist. Intense pain, loud cracking sound when I landed on it, etc. etc. My wife took me to the hospital for xrays and no break was found. However, what did show up was a dark small object. It turns out that this is a small quartz chip from a boulder that I was attacking about 7 or 8 years earlier! My very own silicon chip implant! Now back to the field trip. My wrist is still sore, and I find it difficult to wield a hammer for any length of time, and the rock at Kara ain't that soft! I did manage to extract a number of calcite specimens but suffered for a few days afterwards. The find of the day for me was on one of these calcites. I didn't know it until I got home and looked under the microscope, but there is a beautiful spray of bavenite, a rare beryllium silicate. This is a specimen that I will treasure coz of the pain of getting it out. Regards Steve PS - for anyone wanting a bit more information about Kara, see http://www.crocoite.com/mainadit/kara.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 30 07:11:34 2004 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Aug 30 07:16:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! References: <003401c48e54$c3d59cd0$6400a8c0@imagine> Message-ID: <000601c48e9b$9783f860$33844c0c@fekib> My Favorite Collecting Trip A friend and I decided to go up to the Powers Farm uvite locality in upstate New York on a weekend collecting trip. Since we were both working, we decided to leave on a Friday after work , dig all day Saturday and Sunday, and return (a 8 hour drive) on Monday. All went well, and we dug all day Saturday, finding a number of fine uvite pieces, loose and in matrix. Mostly we worked in a new pit we started, in a mound of pure white calcite in the black tourmalinated quartz bedrock, which yielded these beautiful, glossy black whole crystals, and some in matrix frozen in the calcite. Sunday, we concentrated on breaking into the weaker wall exposures with some success. With such good luck, we decided to work on Monday morning, putting off leaving until after lunch. Monday morning we scouted around the woodsy area, looking for promising exposures. About noon on Monday, as we were cleaning up getting ready to leave, I noticed a small crack in an exposed wall , and tried to drive a chisel into it. Now, this rock is one of the hardest you will find in New England, with the tiny black tourmaline micro crystals adding a tenacious resistance to the metamorphosed quartz bedrock, and I had spent an hour just opening up the crack to about an inch wide and deep. In desperation, I drove my largest chisel straight into the crack with the sledge, and POP!, the chisel disappeared, fell right through the crack into a cavity behind it. I was astounded, never having had that experience anywhere in New England before. I worked hard for another hour to get the crack widened enough to be able to get my arm in, and reached in to feel what was apparently an old water course which had eroded the calcite vein and left crystals lining the walls in great profusion. Single crystals felt to be about 5cm in size, and were everywhere I could reach, but of course, were attached to the bedrock matrix and were impossible to pull out by hand. I was able to extend my arm to the bottom of the hole where it curved out and away, and so recovered a dozen or so loose pieces which had fallen there. My buddy saw what had happened, and reminded me that it was past time to leave! In desperation, we flailed away at the small opening and managed to break out one wall piece of about 60 pounds, but finally had to give up in frustration. Being experienced (and cynical) rockhounds, we covered up the hole as best we could with loose rock and dirt, and took off for home, arriving after dark, tired, dirty and hungry, but excited about going back. We went as soon as we could, which was two weeks later. After the long drive and checking into a B&B, we went down after dinner, only to find the entire wall gone, completely removed, no sign of any calcite vein, and, of course, no uvites anywhere! The owner told us that a dealer from Buffalo had been there all of the previous week, and took out "a large bunch of the best crystals ever to come from the site". What frustration!! It was a long, quiet drive back to Connecticut, but the memory of that disappearing chisel and the thrill of feeling those in-situ crystals will stay with me for many more years, and provides the incentive for many an energetic hammer swing today! I still have the one large "door-stopper" piece, and it is a centerpiece of my collection, a real conversation piece! Larry Rush --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 30 07:21:40 2004 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Aug 30 07:24:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! References: <7ADA5E80-FA1B-11D8-90A1-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <004401c48e9c$ac410080$33844c0c@fekib> This is not an entry for Lanny's contest, but it was an interesting experience for me, and thought maybe the list would enjoy it.........Larry Rush Back in the mid-eighties, I used to attend a rock swap that was very well attended, usually drawing 30 or so traders and dozens of "walk-ins". This was held outside and the weather usually was sunny and warm. On one particularly hot week-end, the swap wound down early on Sunday afternoon, and being dry and dusty, and having a 4 hour drive home ahead of us, we broke down early, and just as I was packing the last of the gear into the wagon, a lean, weathered older man came up to me and said, "Here, I want you to have this". He thrust a round, heavy, crusty-looking mass of what looked like dirt into my hand, and said, "I got this in the mine over in ". As he started to walk away, I called to him and told him (uncertainly) that, if he would wait, I would unpack a few boxes and find something to trade him in return. He just kept walking, so I tossed the ball into a corner of the trunk, and we finished packing and drove off. A couple of weeks later, I noticed the mass lying in the trunk, where it had been rolling around un-noticed, and took it into the garage, where it further lay for several more weeks. By this time it had dried out and really looked crummy, dropping flakes of dried mud on the bench. As I got ready to toss it onto the stone wall, to join the thousands of "prize" rocks we had collected in our travels, I noticed that it showed a small bright gleam of golden color where the dirt had flaked away. So I took it back to the garage, and dropped it into a bucket of warm, soapy water. The next day, it showed some more intriguing gleams of color, so I changed the water, and soaked it again. This went on for about a week, when I realized that it really was a ball of pyrite crystals, and the gleams were reflecting off of hundreds of small crystal faces, each one perfect and bright. After a long period of soaking and scrubbing, and picking out the last bits of clay from the small spaces around the faces with a dental pick, I was astounded to realize that this was a wonderfully bright, perfectly round four inch ball of beautiful small pyrite crystals, each gleaming as if newly formed. There was no point of attachment showing anywhere, and no matrix, a great mineral oddity and a perfect coffee-table conversation piece! For the next few years that we attended the same swap, I kept looking for the miner, so that I could thank him and re-pay him with something he might like as a trade, but I never saw him again. I have since learned that there were a couple of clay pockets hit that year at the mine that contained these balls, and none found since. They are considered quite a choice specimen around here, and I consider myself fortunate to have this one, notwithstanding the way it came to me, and the somewhat disgraceful way I originally treated it! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From shm at tapnet.net Mon Aug 30 07:28:07 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Mon Aug 30 07:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] contest In-Reply-To: <001b01c48e35$afaa4900$7f448141@r2t2g1> Message-ID: <000001c48e9d$b0f82a80$a2e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Hi Terry, I was amused upon reading your statement: "Imagine that, minerals in Pennsylvania." I can relate to that: with mining almost nonexistent in the state, except for coal, the flow of mineral specimens has much abated, and Pennsylvania is not the hotbed of mineral collecting that it was more than a century ago. However, I hope you will one day have a chance to see a collection of fine Pennsylvania minerals to understand what that state once produced. You will find some outstanding treasures there. I have long felt that a collection of the finest Pennsylvania mineral specimens would compare favorably to a similar collection from almost any other state. In fact, given a choice, I would prefer the Pennsylvania collection, and I'll bet I'm not alone. Any more of you out there who share a particular fondness for these treasures? Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of terry Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:04 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] contest Last week-end we went to a picnic for the members and guests of the Che-Hanna Rock &Mineral Club. There was a gentleman there who put out 5 large flats of excess from his collection. I was fortunate enough to bring home a piece of calcite that he collected from a shale pit in Athens Pa. Imagine that, minerals in Pennsylvania. But, what joy it was to see our 4 year old grandson in action. After helping our host Clyf Bourne do some fishing, he collected three bags of rocks & minerals to take home to his confused parents. Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sonskynm at telkomsa.net Mon Aug 30 08:37:16 2004 From: sonskynm at telkomsa.net (Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman) Date: Mon Aug 30 08:37:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE Message-ID: <001501c48ea7$3d303a70$010aa8c0@gerhard> HI CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT SCEPTURE IS I THOUGHT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH FOSSILS IE AMMONITES I CANT FIND NO REF IN MY 20 + BOOKS PLEASE HELP I AM CONFUSED ,NOT REALY KIND REGARDS GERHARD BINDEMAN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From shm at tapnet.net Mon Aug 30 09:26:57 2004 From: shm at tapnet.net (SHM) Date: Mon Aug 30 09:27:48 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE In-Reply-To: <001501c48ea7$3d303a70$010aa8c0@gerhard> Message-ID: <000d01c48eae$495fb800$b8e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Just a guess, but could this refer to sutures, those wiggly lines one sees on polished surfaces of ammonites? Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:37 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE HI CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT SCEPTURE IS I THOUGHT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH FOSSILS IE AMMONITES I CANT FIND NO REF IN MY 20 + BOOKS PLEASE HELP I AM CONFUSED ,NOT REALY KIND REGARDS GERHARD BINDEMAN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Docia1154 at aol.com Mon Aug 30 10:24:35 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 30 10:24:42 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Message-ID: <19d.29008524.2e64bcd3@aol.com> I have an approx 3/4th in round ball like that - I was heading home from the commissary at Ft. Leonard Wood and had seen a big roadcut just off one of the exits as I drove by and decided to give it a quick peek to see if it was worth returning to some day to explore. I looked up and down that wall or rock for about 15-20 minutes and noticed a couple of small areas of calcite but nothing to get excited about. Decided to just head back to the car and something caught my attention on the ground, it was a small piece of calcite but again nothing that was thrilling. Just as I pitched it back onto the ground I noticed a very round specimen lying there and picked it up. Like the one you have, only in much smaller scale there is no point of attachment and no matrix showing. Needless to say I stayed there and looked for as long as I possibly could, as the groceries needed to get home, but was not able to find anymore. But I will definitely give that area a good full morning sometime soon of looking. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Mon Aug 30 11:16:24 2004 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Mon Aug 30 11:16:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper Creek, above Lk. Cushman Message-ID: <20040830181625.0A19686AEB@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Was up there a couple months ago but skeeter were bad. Did find material than turns out to be red-orange jasper in manganese matrix. Sunday went prepared with repellent; loaded about 40 lbs of the jasper then began working up hill from the road. They took one load out of here in WW1; no other info available. But withing 15 minutes I found massive quartz 5 x 2 x 1.5 inches that when split showed a pencil thick vein of pretty blues and green, I'm calling it malachite and azurite for the moment; will take a good look thru the loupe later today. Feels good when you hit it like that. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From hbarwood at troyst.edu Mon Aug 30 08:09:50 2004 From: hbarwood at troyst.edu (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Aug 30 12:20:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] contest In-Reply-To: <000001c48e9d$b0f82a80$a2e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: Dear Earl, Having lived in State College for a few years, I can attest that Pennsylvania is a great mineral state. Having said that, collecting areas are, like most places, rapidly disappearing beneath houses and other developments. Ah, to have been around in the days of the great and active Philadelphia collectors (and collecting areas)! Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of SHM Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:28 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] contest Hi Terry, I was amused upon reading your statement: "Imagine that, minerals in Pennsylvania." I can relate to that: with mining almost nonexistent in the state, except for coal, the flow of mineral specimens has much abated, and Pennsylvania is not the hotbed of mineral collecting that it was more than a century ago. However, I hope you will one day have a chance to see a collection of fine Pennsylvania minerals to understand what that state once produced. You will find some outstanding treasures there. I have long felt that a collection of the finest Pennsylvania mineral specimens would compare favorably to a similar collection from almost any other state. In fact, given a choice, I would prefer the Pennsylvania collection, and I'll bet I'm not alone. Any more of you out there who share a particular fondness for these treasures? Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of terry Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:04 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] contest Last week-end we went to a picnic for the members and guests of the Che-Hanna Rock &Mineral Club. There was a gentleman there who put out 5 large flats of excess from his collection. I was fortunate enough to bring home a piece of calcite that he collected from a shale pit in Athens Pa. Imagine that, minerals in Pennsylvania. But, what joy it was to see our 4 year old grandson in action. After helping our host Clyf Bourne do some fishing, he collected three bags of rocks & minerals to take home to his confused parents. Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Aug 30 13:12:11 2004 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Aug 30 13:12:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE References: <001501c48ea7$3d303a70$010aa8c0@gerhard> Message-ID: <000d01c48ecd$a2544c90$6401a8c0@Junior> Sceptre perhaps? Google "sceptre quartz" for more info. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman" To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE HI CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT SCEPTURE IS I THOUGHT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH FOSSILS IE AMMONITES I CANT FIND NO REF IN MY 20 + BOOKS PLEASE HELP I AM CONFUSED ,NOT REALY KIND REGARDS GERHARD BINDEMAN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From k.conroy at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 30 15:21:10 2004 From: k.conroy at worldnet.att.net (Kevin Conroy) Date: Mon Aug 30 15:18:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE References: <001501c48ea7$3d303a70$010aa8c0@gerhard> Message-ID: <004c01c48edf$a7c0d420$588d4a0c@kcmins> Hi! I think you want info on "suture" patterns in ammonites. Search www.google.com for that, and you'll find plenty. All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman" To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE HI CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT SCEPTURE IS I THOUGHT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH FOSSILS IE AMMONITES I CANT FIND NO REF IN MY 20 + BOOKS PLEASE HELP I AM CONFUSED ,NOT REALY KIND REGARDS GERHARD BINDEMAN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 16:44:25 2004 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Aug 30 16:44:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! References: <19d.29008524.2e64bcd3@aol.com> Message-ID: <00b301c48eeb$48a13640$6401a8c0@mchsi.com> We have some roundish pyrite balls collected from Tombigbee River bank in Epps Alabama. A geologist from the U. of Southern Mississippi said they were marcasite. BTW I had an aunt named Docia. That's an uncommon name, you wouldn't have any relatives in Alabama would you? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! > I have an approx 3/4th in round ball like that - I was heading home from the > commissary at Ft. Leonard Wood and had seen a big roadcut just off one of the > exits as I drove by and decided to give it a quick peek to see if it was worth > returning to some day to explore. I looked up and down that wall or rock > for about 15-20 minutes and noticed a couple of small areas of calcite but > nothing to get excited about. Decided to just head back to the car and something > caught my attention on the ground, it was a small piece of calcite but again > nothing that was thrilling. Just as I pitched it back onto the ground I noticed > a very round specimen lying there and picked it up. Like the one you have, > only in much smaller scale there is no point of attachment and no matrix > showing. Needless to say I stayed there and looked for as long as I possibly could, > as the groceries needed to get home, but was not able to find anymore. But I > will definitely give that area a good full morning sometime soon of looking. > > Docia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From folmstead at rcn.com Mon Aug 30 18:21:23 2004 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Fred Olmstead) Date: Mon Aug 30 18:04:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] PA minerals In-Reply-To: <000001c48e9d$b0f82a80$a2e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> References: <000001c48e9d$b0f82a80$a2e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <4133D293.4070408@rcn.com> HELLO MATRIX MAGAZINE HAD AN ISSUE A WHILE BACK ON PENNSYLVANIA MINERALS THE EDITOR HAS AN EXCELLENT COLLECTION. gmo __..--..__..--..__ SHM wrote: >Hi Terry, > >I was amused upon reading your statement: "Imagine that, minerals in >Pennsylvania." I can relate to that: with mining almost nonexistent in the >state, except for coal, the flow of mineral specimens has much abated, and >Pennsylvania is not the hotbed of mineral collecting that it was more than a >century ago. However, I hope you will one day have a chance to see a >collection of fine Pennsylvania minerals to understand what that state once >produced. You will find some outstanding treasures there. > >I have long felt that a collection of the finest Pennsylvania mineral >specimens would compare favorably to a similar collection from almost any >other state. In fact, given a choice, I would prefer the Pennsylvania >collection, and I'll bet I'm not alone. Any more of you out there who share >a particular fondness for these treasures? > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of terry >Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:04 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] contest > >Last week-end we went to a picnic for the members and guests of the >Che-Hanna Rock &Mineral Club. >There was a gentleman there who put out 5 large flats of excess from his >collection. >I was fortunate enough to bring home a piece of calcite that he collected >from a shale pit in Athens Pa. >Imagine that, minerals in Pennsylvania. >But, what joy it was to see our 4 year old grandson in action. After helping >our host Clyf Bourne do some fishing, >he collected three bags of rocks & minerals to take home to his confused >parents. > >Terry Rosbach > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From Docia1154 at aol.com Mon Aug 30 18:55:22 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 30 18:55:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/30/2004 6:44:57 PM Central Daylight Time, geenet2@mchsi.com writes: We have some roundish pyrite balls collected from Tombigbee River bank in Epps Alabama. A geologist from the U. of Southern Mississippi said they were marcasite. BTW I had an aunt named Docia. That's an uncommon name, you wouldn't have any relatives in Alabama would you? Just my son and his family that I know of. I've done a search for the name and came up with something like 113 back about 6-7 years ago. My husbands step mom had an Aunt Docia. Is there American Indian in your family, most of those with my name have an Indian background that I learned of. I got the name from my great grandmother who was approx. 7/8th Cherokee. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! > I have an approx 3/4th in round ball like that - I was heading home from the > commissary at Ft. Leonard Wood and had seen a big roadcut just off one of the > exits as I drove by and decided to give it a quick peek to see if it was worth > returning to some day to explore. I looked up and down that wall or rock > for about 15-20 minutes and noticed a couple of small areas of calcite but > nothing to get excited about. Decided to just head back to the car and something > caught my attention on the ground, it was a small piece of calcite but again > nothing that was thrilling. Just as I pitched it back onto the ground I noticed > a very round specimen lying there and picked it up. Like the one you have, > only in much smaller scale there is no point of attachment and no matrix > showing. Needless to say I stayed there and looked for as long as I possibly could, > as the groceries needed to get home, but was not able to find anymore. But I > will definitely give that area a good full morning sometime soon of looking. > > Docia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Tue Aug 31 05:02:10 2004 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 31 05:02:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] PA minerals Message-ID: Hi I bought a specimen at the Sracuse mineral show a couple of years ago labeled sodium gedrite. and Pa. I can't find any significant reference to Penna. gedrites and the only picture ,anywhere, that looks like my specimen, is in Simon and Schuster's A guide to Rocks and Minerals., picture 208, Hornblende. For those who don't have access to this book the crystals appear to be prismatic and in sheaf-like bundles but open, not tightly bound.- like astrophyllite sprays. Any ideas or comments smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From BETDAV97 at aol.com Tue Aug 31 06:51:07 2004 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 31 06:51:12 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] PA minerals Message-ID: <104.4f8f5d17.2e65dc4b@aol.com> Hello, I used to sell sodium gedrite from Mass. that is similar to what you are describing. They are black sprays in a tan colored matrix. I also used to do the Syracuse Show, but not for at least 15 years. Funny, I found some of the last of the gedrite in the garage this summer and will be selling it this fall. Since we have hit some extremely hard times, I am selling off my collection, but I am trying to hold on to the Pennsylvania part of it. Over the years I have gotten some amazing specimens from Pennsylvania. I will be culling it out however. With a lot of the Cornwall calcites being sold and one very large magnetite at shows this fall. Since I notoriously under price, there should be some real bargains in there. Have a good day, Dave Sunset Fossils & Minerals Morgantown, WV WVFossils@aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 08:46:43 2004 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Tue Aug 31 08:46:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Lanny's trip contest In-Reply-To: <200408310101.i7V11XFa012738@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20040831154643.90827.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone: I've had a number of really productive and fun collecting trips, but one of the most interesting wasn't very productive. Recently John Betts has had a couple of nice specimens from the "Central Kentucky Fluorspar District, Danville, Ky" both fluorite and calcite. I've collected geodes near there a couple of times, but had never really heard of that district before. It aroused my curiosity big time, since Fluorite is one of my favorites! So we looked in various books for KY minerals, and one (only one) mentioned a fluorite "prospect" on the Kentucky river near Danville. No real directions other than a place name, Mondy's Landing, which was on both sides of the river on our topo maps. We set out for Mondy's Landing, which must have been the site of a ferry in years past. There's a lot of history in this part of KY, and there are beautiful horse farms with old plantation houses (mansions) that you can tell are at least a hundred years old, just from the giant trrees lining the driveways. As we got closer to the Landing, the roads got smaller and smaller. And then they ended, and we weren't very near the river yet. And there were fences, and expensive looking horses. This is where those $2-5M horses are at stud, so we didn't want to cross any fences. So we decided to cross the river, and try the Landing on the other side. The map and the actual roads were only in general agreement, so we weren't sure of where we were, nor of where we wanted to go! But we got very near the river, and the road finally ran into a farmyard, more normal, with the average run-down sheds and barns I'm more used to seeing on farms where I live in WV. The road was 1 lane with scant blacktop, but there was a wide shoulder just outside the farm. We parked, and climbed up the hill in the woods opposite the wide shoulder. There was a pile of tailings, with a few larger boulders past the pile, and there were crystals, not pretty freestanding ones, but still. We climbed up the tailings, which had trees 12 and 16 inches thick growing out of them, and the top was fairly level. On the steep hillside, there was a slot dug out, that must have been a dike or otherwise filled fissure. It got fairly dark in the back of the slot, and the rock walls didn't look very promising, which is probably why the prospect never became a real mine. But we did find purple cubic fluorites, and calcites, that were contacted about 7 mm high, that must have been the thickness of the crack they grew in. Both in the tailings pile, and inside some of the larger boulder-sized rocks. The process of finding the prospect, and the actual discovery of real fluorite (even tho not near the quality of John's specimens for sale) was terrifically exciting! We came home with a hundred pounds of geodes, mostly just Qz, but the 3 or 4 fluorite specimens, small and dinky as they are, will always remind me of the successful hunt for wild minerals! JR in WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kpduties8 at aol.com Tue Aug 31 08:52:34 2004 From: Kpduties8 at aol.com (Kpduties8@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 31 08:52:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belize rock Message-ID: I had the opportunity to go to Belize last week and I visited a ruin that is about an hour inland. The guides said the ancient people made the structures from limestone, but as I walked around the grounds and got a close look, there was more than limestone. I am a new rock hound enthusiast and so please forgive my lack of knowledge. The rock that was also used was red and another was goldish yellow. As we walked the area, you could see that the stones that had been walked across were polished really nice. The guides mentioned that they used rocks as a flooring as well, but they said they were limestone, and I have to disagree. It looked opague more like marble etc. I picked up a small piece to look at it and it looks similar to jasper. I asked the guide and she said Maybe it was flint. I know it wasn't flint, but I assume she said this because it would make some nice arrow heads. I asked her where the nearest mountains were, and she said on the border of Guadamala and Belize which was about 90 miles away. I was so curious about the rock, but I left it at the site because it is a ruin and I do respect that effort. I was estatic though when we left the site, and found that they pave the roads with the same type of materials. I chose a small piece from the side of the road to bring home to keep my wondering alive. We made a second stop about thirty minutes away, and they were still using the same type of material, but now the color was a grayish brown and had become more translucent. I would love to know what how to identify the specimen. I am wondering if it is petrified coral. It is heavy for it's size and has a definite crust around the outside that apears to be like sandstone. Here is where I show my lack of knowledge, but would really love some answers. Has anyone been to Beliz and could tell me what minerals are in that area? Kathy C. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Tue Aug 31 08:56:49 2004 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 31 08:56:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Lanny's trip contest Message-ID: <083120041556.27380.41349FC0000601F600006AF421603831169D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> I really like that story. It is inspiring in the sense that it tells a tale of finding a lost locality and overcoming obstacles to get there. If you flesh it out a little bit, include some maps and photos, it might make a good short article for Rocks & Minerals. Don H > Hi everyone: > > I've had a number of really productive and fun collecting trips, but one of the > most interesting wasn't very productive. > > Recently John Betts has had a couple of nice specimens from the "Central > Kentucky Fluorspar District, Danville, Ky" both fluorite and calcite. I've > collected geodes near there a couple of times, but had never really heard of > that district before. It aroused my curiosity big time, since Fluorite is one > of my favorites! > > So we looked in various books for KY minerals, and one (only one) mentioned a > fluorite "prospect" on the Kentucky river near Danville. No real directions > other than a place name, Mondy's Landing, which was on both sides of the river > on our topo maps. We set out for Mondy's Landing, which must have been the site > of a ferry in years past. There's a lot of history in this part of KY, and > there are beautiful horse farms with old plantation houses (mansions) that you > can tell are at least a hundred years old, just from the giant trrees lining the > driveways. > > As we got closer to the Landing, the roads got smaller and smaller. And then > they ended, and we weren't very near the river yet. And there were fences, and > expensive looking horses. This is where those $2-5M horses are at stud, so we > didn't want to cross any fences. > > So we decided to cross the river, and try the Landing on the other side. The > map and the actual roads were only in general agreement, so we weren't sure of > where we were, nor of where we wanted to go! > > But we got very near the river, and the road finally ran into a farmyard, more > normal, with the average run-down sheds and barns I'm more used to seeing on > farms where I live in WV. The road was 1 lane with scant blacktop, but there > was a wide shoulder just outside the farm. > > We parked, and climbed up the hill in the woods opposite the wide shoulder. > There was a pile of tailings, with a few larger boulders past the pile, and > there were crystals, not pretty freestanding ones, but still. We climbed up the > tailings, which had trees 12 and 16 inches thick growing out of them, and the > top was fairly level. On the steep hillside, there was a slot dug out, that > must have been a dike or otherwise filled fissure. It got fairly dark in the > back of the slot, and the rock walls didn't look very promising, which is > probably why the prospect never became a real mine. > > But we did find purple cubic fluorites, and calcites, that were contacted about > 7 mm high, that must have been the thickness of the crack they grew in. Both in > the tailings pile, and inside some of the larger boulder-sized rocks. > > The process of finding the prospect, and the actual discovery of real fluorite > (even tho not near the quality of John's specimens for sale) was terrifically > exciting! We came home with a hundred pounds of geodes, mostly just Qz, but the > 3 or 4 fluorite specimens, small and dinky as they are, will always remind me of > the successful hunt for wild minerals! > > JR in WV > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Tue Aug 31 11:49:31 2004 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Tue Aug 31 13:06:24 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE References: <001501c48ea7$3d303a70$010aa8c0@gerhard> <004c01c48edf$a7c0d420$588d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <000201c48f95$fda032d0$e84127c4@privatehome> Hi there, The Glossary of Geology and Related Sciences gives the following definition of a suture:- "A line or mark of splitting open; a groove marking of a natural division or union; the lengthwise groove of a plum or similar fruit." It thgen also mentions "suture joint" which refers to "styolite" which definition reads as follows:- "A term applied to parts of certain limestones which have a columnarlike development; the "columns" being generally at right angles or highly inclined to the bedding planes, having grooved, sutured or striated sides, and irregular cross sections." Horst From: "Kevin Conroy" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE > Hi! > > I think you want info on "suture" patterns in ammonites. Search > www.google.com for that, and you'll find plenty. > > All the best, > Kevin > www.kcminerals.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerhard en Rietha Bindeman" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:37 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] SCEPTURE > > > HI > CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT SCEPTURE IS I THOUGHT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH > FOSSILS IE AMMONITES I CANT FIND NO REF IN MY 20 + BOOKS PLEASE HELP I AM > CONFUSED ,NOT REALY > KIND REGARDS > GERHARD BINDEMAN > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From prgilmore at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 13:34:56 2004 From: prgilmore at hotmail.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Tue Aug 31 13:35:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Message-ID: Looking for Mr. Good-Spot I regularly get to accompany veteran mineral collectors on field trips because: 1. I drive; 2. I’m not serious competition; 3. I laugh at their jokes; and 4. I drive again. My best trips are when I get to establish my own skill/luck without being handed a good spot by the big guys who usually astonish me with their own collecting prowess. Finding THE spot is the hard part. After a seemingly endless journey to traprock quarry that surprisingly was located in my own time zone, we hiked to a rock face that had recently yielded rous brown stilbite in vugs. After a suitable waiting period during which my friends homed in on a productive area, I nosed my way into their periphery and started picking away at a broad decaying vein of sticky brown mud and found a trail of floater stilbite nodules and plates. I was flattered that one of my partners wanted to move in and share the find. After making a few decent finds of my own I moved off to collect elsewhere. My vision is usually clearer when I’m not obsessed with watching the pros. At the bottom edge of a large old dump of material from all over the quarry (blast rock, glacial till, tree stumps) I made the frustrating find of a large quartz nodule shattered from the fall from a dump truck above, its interior showing nice amethyst points to 3/8”. I had found cheesy little amethyst plates in situ elsewhere in the quarry, but here in the jumble of quarry garbage was the nicest local amethyst I had ever seen. There was no clue as to its original location, and therefore no way to look for more. Nonsensical finds like this are not unusual for me, and perfect for confounding the experts. Here was a spot that most people would ordinarily avoid like the plague, and yet a nice specimen was found there. Later, while trudging back to the stilbite area with my hat in hand (and specimens in hat) I caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye of light on dark grey, indicating a possible vein of something. It was located on a wall at ground level and therefore perfect for exploring from a sitting position (I was born to sit). A dense vein of nearly colorless, vugless prehnite ran parallel to a clefted basalt zone showing rous colorless to greenish crystals to ½ “. They were apophyllites, and the smaller crystals were zoned with parallel plates of vivid green-blue (? fluorapophyllite). The larger crystals were etched on one surface, giving a saw tooth appearance that marred the high er of some specimens. A few clefts contained intact honey colored calcite scalenohedra along with the apophyllite. The ultimate compliment came when a less experienced collector asked me the question that I have repeatedly asked my mentors: “How did you know where to look?” Dump collecting usually doesn’t require great insight for choosing a starting spot. Collecting from a quarry wall or forest ledge does require vision, which I am developing steadily. Good collectors seem to have an uncanny ability to zero in on a productive spot that must come from either years of experience or a deal with the . The answer to the question above is always obvious to the person who found good stuff: “I looked for something unusual on the surface.” Most of the time I apply this seemingly straightforward rule, I find nothing but junk. It worked just fine that day. Successful collecting for me usually results from keeping an open mind by sometimes looking where nothing should be found, as in the garbage dump, as well as keeping open eyes. Dumb luck is a fine is a fine surrogate for evolving experience. Paul Gilmore >From: Lanny >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com": A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors >Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:28:13 -0700 > >Hi all, > >I got hung up on other things during the last week, but finally here is the >book list for the next contest: > >1 - "A Mineral Trip to Nova Scotia" by George A. Wilson, reprined from >Rocks and Minerals, July 1951, 252 p. >2 - "The Mineralogy of Western Connecticut and Southeastern New York State" >1967, by Ronald Everett Januzzi.137 p. >3 - "Mineral Guide to New England" by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other >People. 1963, 40 p. with lots of maps. >4 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 1, Western Maine" 1958, by Philip >Morrill and A Lot of Other People, 80 p. with lots of maps. >5 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 2, Eastern Maine" 1959, by Philip >Morrill and Wm. P. Hinckley, 80 p. with lots of maps. >6 - " Gem Hunting Areas" New Hampshire & Vermont, 22 areas with maps, by >Cindy and Jim Hancock, single pages stapled inside a cover. >7 - "Maine Pegmatite Mines and Prospects and Associated Minerals" Maine >Geological Survey Minerals Resources Index No. 1, 43 pages of listings and >maps, plus a copy of the ford, ME 15 min. topo. > >The winner takes the whole bunch, s&h fee of $5.00. > >The contest is based on Kreigh's "should have" entry in the last contest: >"The most recent mineral I collected, because I liked it enough to bring it >home -- and still do." > >Using that as the theme, the contest is submit a short report on a recent >rockhound collecting trip emphasizing any factor of the trip (material >collected, fun time, bad time, good friends or ?). > >The rules are: >1) Email submissions to list must be received by 6:00PM PDT Wednesday, >Sept. 1. >2) There is no length limit, but be considerate of the list and our >attention spans. >3) The winner will be chosen by popular vote. Vote by responding to the >list. >4) I maintain the right to disqualify anyone for any reason I choose. >4) I will choose the winner in the event of a tie or other problem. >5) Votes must be received on the list by 9:00 PM PDT Friday, Sept. 3, 2004. > >Happy writing and submitting. > >Lanny > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From william.s.cordua at uwrf.edu Tue Aug 31 13:46:24 2004 From: william.s.cordua at uwrf.edu (William Cordua) Date: Tue Aug 31 13:46:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Belize rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Kathy, Flint and jasper (also chert) are related rocks in that both are, essentially, fine-grained quartz. The colors comes from varying amounts of chemical impurities such as iron or manganese perhaps. If your sample can scratch glass, it is very likely one of these rocks. If it is strongly colored, call it jasper. If the rock is softer than glass, make a little powder and try a bit of vinegar on it. If it is limestone, it should bubble or fizz as carbon dioxide comes off. Limestone and flint can both contain fossils, but in fossil coral you should be able to see some signs of structures (septa or chains or radial patterns on septa) from the coral animals. I'm betting its a type of flint. Best wishes - Dr. Bill Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu http://www.uwrf.edu/~william.s.cordua/ "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 on 8/31/04 10:52 AM, Kpduties8@aol.com at Kpduties8@aol.com wrote: > I had the opportunity to go to Belize last week and I visited a ruin that is > about an hour inland. The guides said the ancient people made the > structures from limestone, but as I walked around the grounds and got a close > look, > there was more than limestone. I am a new rock hound enthusiast and so > please > forgive my lack of knowledge. The rock that was also used was red and > another was goldish yellow. As we walked the area, you could see that the > stones > that had been walked across were polished really nice. The guides mentioned > that they used rocks as a flooring as well, but they said they were > limestone, and I have to disagree. It looked opague more like marble etc. I > picked > up a small piece to look at it and it looks similar to jasper. I asked the > guide and she said Maybe it was flint. I know it wasn't flint, but I > assume > she said this because it would make some nice arrow heads. > > I asked her where the nearest mountains were, and she said on the border of > Guadamala and Belize which was about 90 miles away. I was so curious about > the rock, but I left it at the site because it is a ruin and I do respect > that > effort. > > I was estatic though when we left the site, and found that they pave the > roads with the same type of materials. I chose a small piece from the side > of > the road to bring home to keep my wondering alive. We made a second stop > about thirty minutes away, and they were still using the same type of > material, > but now the color was a grayish brown and had become more translucent. I > would love to know what how to identify the specimen. I am wondering if it > is > petrified coral. It is heavy for it's size and has a definite crust around > the > outside that apears to be like sandstone. Here is where I show my lack of > knowledge, but would really love some answers. Has anyone been to Beliz and > could tell me what minerals are in that area? > > Kathy C. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kqhayes at chartermi.net Tue Aug 31 14:01:58 2004 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (Keith Q Hayes) Date: Tue Aug 31 14:02:54 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, good story and excellent style. Thank you! (and the others submitting as well.) Best Regards, Keith Hayes www.kqminerals.com kqhayes@chartermi.net 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:35 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Looking for Mr. Good-Spot I regularly get to accompany veteran mineral collectors on field trips because: 1. I drive; 2. I?m not serious competition; 3. I laugh at their jokes; and 4. I drive again. My best trips are when I get to establish my own skill/luck without being handed a good spot by the big guys who usually astonish me with their own collecting prowess. Finding THE spot is the hard part. After a seemingly endless journey to traprock quarry that surprisingly was located in my own time zone, we hiked to a rock face that had recently yielded rous brown stilbite in vugs. After a suitable waiting period during which my friends homed in on a productive area, I nosed my way into their periphery and started picking away at a broad decaying vein of sticky brown mud and found a trail of floater stilbite nodules and plates. I was flattered that one of my partners wanted to move in and share the find. After making a few decent finds of my own I moved off to collect elsewhere. My vision is usually clearer when I?m not obsessed with watching the pros. At the bottom edge of a large old dump of material from all over the quarry (blast rock, glacial till, tree stumps) I made the frustrating find of a large quartz nodule shattered from the fall from a dump truck above, its interior showing nice amethyst points to 3/8?. I had found cheesy little amethyst plates in situ elsewhere in the quarry, but here in the jumble of quarry garbage was the nicest local amethyst I had ever seen. There was no clue as to its original location, and therefore no way to look for more. Nonsensical finds like this are not unusual for me, and perfect for confounding the experts. Here was a spot that most people would ordinarily avoid like the plague, and yet a nice specimen was found there. Later, while trudging back to the stilbite area with my hat in hand (and specimens in hat) I caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye of light on dark grey, indicating a possible vein of something. It was located on a wall at ground level and therefore perfect for exploring from a sitting position (I was born to sit). A dense vein of nearly colorless, vugless prehnite ran parallel to a clefted basalt zone showing rous colorless to greenish crystals to ? ?. They were apophyllites, and the smaller crystals were zoned with parallel plates of vivid green-blue (? fluorapophyllite). The larger crystals were etched on one surface, giving a saw tooth appearance that marred the high er of some specimens. A few clefts contained intact honey colored calcite scalenohedra along with the apophyllite. The ultimate compliment came when a less experienced collector asked me the question that I have repeatedly asked my mentors: ?How did you know where to look?? Dump collecting usually doesn?t require great insight for choosing a starting spot. Collecting from a quarry wall or forest ledge does require vision, which I am developing steadily. Good collectors seem to have an uncanny ability to zero in on a productive spot that must come from either years of experience or a deal with the . The answer to the question above is always obvious to the person who found good stuff: ?I looked for something unusual on the surface.? Most of the time I apply this seemingly straightforward rule, I find nothing but junk. It worked just fine that day. Successful collecting for me usually results from keeping an open mind by sometimes looking where nothing should be found, as in the garbage dump, as well as keeping open eyes. Dumb luck is a fine is a fine surrogate for evolving experience. Paul Gilmore >From: Lanny >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com": A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors >Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:28:13 -0700 > >Hi all, > >I got hung up on other things during the last week, but finally here is the >book list for the next contest: > >1 - "A Mineral Trip to Nova Scotia" by George A. Wilson, reprined from >Rocks and Minerals, July 1951, 252 p. >2 - "The Mineralogy of Western Connecticut and Southeastern New York State" >1967, by Ronald Everett Januzzi.137 p. >3 - "Mineral Guide to New England" by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other >People. 1963, 40 p. with lots of maps. >4 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 1, Western Maine" 1958, by Philip >Morrill and A Lot of Other People, 80 p. with lots of maps. >5 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 2, Eastern Maine" 1959, by Philip >Morrill and Wm. P. Hinckley, 80 p. with lots of maps. >6 - " Gem Hunting Areas" New Hampshire & Vermont, 22 areas with maps, by >Cindy and Jim Hancock, single pages stapled inside a cover. >7 - "Maine Pegmatite Mines and Prospects and Associated Minerals" Maine >Geological Survey Minerals Resources Index No. 1, 43 pages of listings and >maps, plus a copy of the ford, ME 15 min. topo. > >The winner takes the whole bunch, s&h fee of $5.00. > >The contest is based on Kreigh's "should have" entry in the last contest: >"The most recent mineral I collected, because I liked it enough to bring it >home -- and still do." > >Using that as the theme, the contest is submit a short report on a recent >rockhound collecting trip emphasizing any factor of the trip (material >collected, fun time, bad time, good friends or ?). > >The rules are: >1) Email submissions to list must be received by 6:00PM PDT Wednesday, >Sept. 1. >2) There is no length limit, but be considerate of the list and our >attention spans. >3) The winner will be chosen by popular vote. Vote by responding to the >list. >4) I maintain the right to disqualify anyone for any reason I choose. >4) I will choose the winner in the event of a tie or other problem. >5) Votes must be received on the list by 9:00 PM PDT Friday, Sept. 3, 2004. > >Happy writing and submitting. > >Lanny > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From nmartin at bbn.com Tue Aug 31 16:11:03 2004 From: nmartin at bbn.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:11:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Stories - Was(A new book giveaway!) In-Reply-To: <7ADA5E80-FA1B-11D8-90A1-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040831112429.01e995b0@po2.bbn.com> Lanny, Here is my story, submitted with a lot of trepidation, for it is very personal. Nate Martin ------------------------------------------ It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......When Dickens wrote these words in the Tale of Two Cities he was talking about the French revolution, but they also speak to me about my collecting experiences (and many other things) this summer. Summers are short in New England and days spent collecting in the field are precious adventures because the time devoted to that activity competes with a host of other things. I always have wished that I could find more time to be out in the field collecting. You all know the saying; so many rocks, so little time.....so little time indeed! This summer has seen me in the field more times than ever, visiting several localities; some familiar - others that I have never been to before. In that sense, it has been the best of times, but tempered by circumstance. In the familiar category, I led a club trip to the VAG quarry in Eden Mills in June. I have been there many times before and it is like visiting an old friend, a familiar place yet always offering a surprise or two. So I have another 5 gal bucket full of rocks in my garage, waiting to be cleaned and etched in acid to see what, if any, treasures lie below the calcite. So many rocks, so little time clearly applies to cleaning and trimming as well as to collecting in the field. I have also visited at least four localities in New Hampshire and have been rewarded with sharp & well formed (but alas opaque) green tourmaline, schorl, spodumene, fluorite in shades of green, purple and clear, and ball mica. Each of these localities involved following old directions, sometimes supplemented by lat/long coordinates from MASMILS or info from an old article in Rocks and Minerals. It is always a thrill to actually find one of these localities and many times I must admit that the real goal is to simply be outside, getting some exercise, enjoying a fine summer day, the New Hampshire scenery and the good company of a friend. Actually finding decent specimens becomes simply "icing on the cake." Nevertheless, I now have several flats of material from these trips waiting to be cleaned and sorted. I have no doubt that many will end up in the rock garden. This last weekend I was collecting in Connecticut with a friend and visited an old "worked out" locality near Old Mine Park in Trumbull. A couple of years ago we visited this locality and I came away with an amazing spray of tiny colorless hexagonal prisms that look for all the world like beryl crystals but exhibit sky blue fluorescence under short wave UV light. I was sure that I remembered approximately where the boulder was that produced this unusual specimen. Unfortunately, after a couple of hours of searching in the heat and humidity of an August day, I had to admit that I could not find it - memory is a funny thing - and turned my attention to the rest of the deposit. I was very pleased to find a nice plate of fluorite crystals, not large by most standards but at least visible without magnification and reasonably good for the locality. However, the most fun was coming back at night to collect fluorescent minerals. Not only was it cooler but there there seemed to be scheelite everywhere and its brilliant white fluorescence shone like strings of Christmas lights embedded in the outcrop walls, boulders and hand specimens. I also found that the calcite fluoresces red and in some cases provides a nice contrast to the blue fluorescence of the fluorite and the occasional yellow fluorescing mineral that I cannot yet identify. Neat stuff, and now I have a couple more 5 gal buckets of rocks waiting to be cleaned and trimmed. So many rocks, so little time....I've got to learn to be more selective. These trips have been good for me in ways much more important than accumulating more rocks in my garage. The fresh air, the company of friends (my youngest son on one trip), the opportunity to see new places on this good green earth and the chance to uncover a little of the crystalline beauty of Gods creation that lies hidden just out of sight - these things have all contributed to my healing and have helped to take the edge off of what for me has been the worst of times. For you see, life can change in an instant, and my life changed suddenly this year when my wife of nearly 42 years, was killed in an automobile accident the day after Mother's Day. I have learned many things since that dreadful day. Among them are to accept life as it is (or at least to try to), to appreciate more fully the importance of the relationships I have with family and friends, to sit patiently and wait for the evolving colors of the sunset, to give thanks for the gift of each new day and try to live it to its fullest, and to keep doing not only those things that must be done but the things that bring enjoyment and peace. For me that means continuing to go into the field to collect minerals. Life indeed is short and there is not enough time to visit all the mines, collect all the specimens or perhaps even to clean the ones we find. But that's OK....its more important to enjoy the journey and to take the time to love and respect those who journey with us. From my newly gained perspective, it seems as if the question as to whether this is the best of times or the worst of times depends both on our circumstances and our choices. As you make your choices and accept your circumstances I hope that you too will continue to find joy in playing in the dirt, looking for rocks to "adopt' and take home. Nate Martin From prgilmore at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 16:17:47 2004 From: prgilmore at hotmail.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:17:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! Message-ID: Thanks, Keith. I checked out your website and was very impressed witht the quality of the photos. Paul >From: "Keith Q Hayes" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:01:58 -0400 > >Paul, good story and excellent style. Thank you! (and the others >submitting as well.) > >Best Regards, > >Keith Hayes >www.kqminerals.com >kqhayes@chartermi.net >3705 Fuller Drive >Midland, MI 48642 > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Paul Gilmore >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:35 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! > > > Looking for Mr. Good-Spot > >I regularly get to accompany veteran mineral collectors on field trips >because: 1. I drive; 2. I’m not serious competition; 3. I laugh at their >jokes; and 4. I drive again. My best trips are when I get to establish my >own skill/luck without being handed a good spot by the big guys who usually >astonish me with their own collecting prowess. Finding THE spot is the hard >part. > >After a seemingly endless journey to traprock quarry that surprisingly was >located in my own time zone, we hiked to a rock face that had recently >yielded rous brown stilbite in vugs. After a suitable waiting period >during which my friends homed in on a productive area, I nosed my way into >their periphery and started picking away at a broad decaying vein of sticky >brown mud and found a trail of floater stilbite nodules and plates. I was >flattered that one of my partners wanted to move in and share the find. >After making a few decent finds of my own I moved off to collect elsewhere. >My vision is usually clearer when I’m not obsessed with watching the pros. > >At the bottom edge of a large old dump of material from all over the quarry >(blast rock, glacial till, tree stumps) I made the frustrating find of a >large quartz nodule shattered from the fall from a dump truck above, its >interior showing nice amethyst points to 3/8”. I had found cheesy little >amethyst plates in situ elsewhere in the quarry, but here in the jumble of >quarry garbage was the nicest local amethyst I had ever seen. There was no >clue as to its original location, and therefore no way to look for more. >Nonsensical finds like this are not unusual for me, and perfect for >confounding the experts. Here was a spot that most people would ordinarily >avoid like the plague, and yet a nice specimen was found there. > >Later, while trudging back to the stilbite area with my hat in hand (and >specimens in hat) I caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye of light >on >dark grey, indicating a possible vein of something. It was located on a >wall >at ground level and therefore perfect for exploring from a sitting position >(I was born to sit). A dense vein of nearly colorless, vugless prehnite ran >parallel to a clefted basalt zone showing rous colorless to greenish >crystals to ½ “. They were apophyllites, and the smaller crystals were >zoned >with parallel plates of vivid green-blue (? fluorapophyllite). The larger >crystals were etched on one surface, giving a saw tooth appearance that >marred the high er of some specimens. A few clefts contained intact >honey colored calcite scalenohedra along with the apophyllite. The ultimate >compliment came when a less experienced collector asked me the question >that >I have repeatedly asked my mentors: “How did you know where to look?” > >Dump collecting usually doesn’t require great insight for choosing a >starting spot. Collecting from a quarry wall or forest ledge does require >vision, which I am developing steadily. Good collectors seem to have an >uncanny ability to zero in on a productive spot that must come from either >years of experience or a deal with the . The answer to the question >above is always obvious to the person who found good stuff: “I looked for >something unusual on the surface.” Most of the time I apply this seemingly >straightforward rule, I find nothing but junk. It worked just fine that >day. > Successful collecting for me usually results from keeping an open mind >by >sometimes looking where nothing should be found, as in the garbage dump, as >well as keeping open eyes. Dumb luck is a fine is a fine surrogate for >evolving experience. > >Paul Gilmore > > > > >From: Lanny > >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com": A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors > >Subject: [Rockhounds] A new book giveaway! > >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:28:13 -0700 > > > >Hi all, > > > >I got hung up on other things during the last week, but finally here is >the > >book list for the next contest: > > > >1 - "A Mineral Trip to Nova Scotia" by George A. Wilson, reprined from > >Rocks and Minerals, July 1951, 252 p. > >2 - "The Mineralogy of Western Connecticut and Southeastern New York >State" > >1967, by Ronald Everett Januzzi.137 p. > >3 - "Mineral Guide to New England" by Philip Morrill and A Lot of Other > >People. 1963, 40 p. with lots of maps. > >4 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 1, Western Maine" 1958, by Philip > >Morrill and A Lot of Other People, 80 p. with lots of maps. > >5 - " Maine Mines and Minerals, Vol. 2, Eastern Maine" 1959, by Philip > >Morrill and Wm. P. Hinckley, 80 p. with lots of maps. > >6 - " Gem Hunting Areas" New Hampshire & Vermont, 22 areas with maps, by > >Cindy and Jim Hancock, single pages stapled inside a cover. > >7 - "Maine Pegmatite Mines and Prospects and Associated Minerals" Maine > >Geological Survey Minerals Resources Index No. 1, 43 pages of listings >and > >maps, plus a copy of the ford, ME 15 min. topo. > > > >The winner takes the whole bunch, s&h fee of $5.00. > > > >The contest is based on Kreigh's "should have" entry in the last contest: > >"The most recent mineral I collected, because I liked it enough to bring >it > >home -- and still do." > > > >Using that as the theme, the contest is submit a short report on a recent > >rockhound collecting trip emphasizing any factor of the trip (material > >collected, fun time, bad time, good friends or ?). > > > >The rules are: > >1) Email submissions to list must be received by 6:00PM PDT Wednesday, > >Sept. 1. > >2) There is no length limit, but be considerate of the list and our > >attention spans. > >3) The winner will be chosen by popular vote. Vote by responding to the > >list. > >4) I maintain the right to disqualify anyone for any reason I choose. > >4) I will choose the winner in the event of a tie or other problem. > >5) Votes must be received on the list by 9:00 PM PDT Friday, Sept. 3, >2004. > > > >Happy writing and submitting. > > > >Lanny > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to >School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From mela at bartnet.net Tue Aug 31 16:18:38 2004 From: mela at bartnet.net (Mel Albright) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:18:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip Message-ID: <002c01c48fb0$dc40b220$c8b2950c@jessie> I'm not interested in the contest but all the talk of experts reminds me of my own experience. Our club took a field trip to Great Salt Plains, OK to look for selenite crystals. For those not familiar with the crystals from there, the ideal is a complete crystal containing an hour glass shape impurity of matrix reddish sand buried inside. Over the years, I've collected maybe 100 complete ones and thousands and thousands which have had one end dissolved away. (The crystals form from ground water so the bottom dissolves when the ground water level rises.) My largest complete one is about 4 inches long. On this day we were happily hunting when a car drove uup. A couple got out and came over to me. They were rockhounds from far away who were attending a square dance meeting in Oklahoma nCIty about 100 miles away. They said they would never be that close again, so they had come to hunt.They asked for instructions. I explained that one pushed the point of a shovel here and there into the sand and listened for the crunch of crystals. Then you dig a hole nearby which will fill with ground water. Then you take a small container and wash the sand off the crystals in the area.I explained they were very fragile when wet, so to remove them from the sand matrix with care. They nodded, said thanks, and went to their car for shovels, etc. I paid them no attention other than noting they were digging about 10 feet from me (out of several hundred acres). After about an hour, they came over to me and thanked me for the help. I asked if they had had any luck in finding hourglasses. They said "A little" and showed me this cardboard flat containing 32 hourglass crystals, mostly perfect. The smallest was about 4 inches long and the largest approached 8 inches. Most were about 6 inches. Beginners yet!! No, they didn't leave any. I went to their hole and carefully searched and found NO hourglasses. --- mLong day. Mel Albright --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at aloha.net Tue Aug 31 17:07:05 2004 From: kahako at aloha.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:39:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Stories - Was(A new book giveaway!) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040831112429.01e995b0@po2.bbn.com> References: <7ADA5E80-FA1B-11D8-90A1-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20040831112429.01e995b0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040831135759.02ea0bf0@mail.aloha.net> Oh, Nate, what an exquisitely beautiful and painful story! Everyone, if you think you don't have time to read the whole thing, just read the last two paragraphs...that will make you go back and read it all. You have our deepest sympathies, Nate. God grant you the strength to continue healing. Aloha nui loa, Kitty & Bill At 01:11 PM 8/31/2004, you wrote: >Lanny, >Here is my story, submitted with a lot of trepidation, for it is very >personal. >Nate Martin > >------------------------------------------ >It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......When Dickens >wrote these words in the Tale of Two Cities he was talking about the >French revolution, but they also speak to me about my collecting >experiences (and many other things) this summer. > >Summers are short in New England and days spent collecting in the field >are precious adventures because the time devoted to that activity competes >with a host of other things. I always have wished that I could find more >time to be out in the field collecting. You all know the saying; so many >rocks, so little time.....so little time indeed! > >This summer has seen me in the field more times than ever, visiting >several localities; some familiar - others that I have never been to >before. In that sense, it has been the best of times, but tempered by >circumstance. > >In the familiar category, I led a club trip to the VAG quarry in Eden >Mills in June. I have been there many times before and it is like >visiting an old friend, a familiar place yet always offering a surprise or >two. So I have another 5 gal bucket full of rocks in my garage, waiting >to be cleaned and etched in acid to see what, if any, treasures lie below >the calcite. So many rocks, so little time clearly applies to cleaning >and trimming as well as to collecting in the field. > >I have also visited at least four localities in New Hampshire and have >been rewarded with sharp & well formed (but alas opaque) green tourmaline, >schorl, spodumene, fluorite in shades of green, purple and clear, and ball >mica. Each of these localities involved following old directions, >sometimes supplemented by lat/long coordinates from MASMILS or info from >an old article in Rocks and Minerals. It is always a thrill to actually >find one of these localities and many times I must admit that the real >goal is to simply be outside, getting some exercise, enjoying a fine >summer day, the New Hampshire scenery and the good company of a >friend. Actually finding decent specimens becomes simply "icing on the >cake." Nevertheless, I now have several flats of material from these >trips waiting to be cleaned and sorted. I have no doubt that many will >end up in the rock garden. > >This last weekend I was collecting in Connecticut with a friend and >visited an old "worked out" locality near Old Mine Park in Trumbull. A >couple of years ago we visited this locality and I came away with an >amazing spray of tiny colorless hexagonal prisms that look for all the >world like beryl crystals but exhibit sky blue fluorescence under short >wave UV light. I was sure that I remembered approximately where the >boulder was that produced this unusual specimen. Unfortunately, after a >couple of hours of searching in the heat and humidity of an August day, I >had to admit that I could not find it - memory is a funny thing - and >turned my attention to the rest of the deposit. I was very pleased to >find a nice plate of fluorite crystals, not large by most standards but at >least visible without magnification and reasonably good for the >locality. However, the most fun was coming back at night to collect >fluorescent minerals. Not only was it cooler but there there seemed to be >scheelite everywhere and its brilliant white fluorescence shone like >strings of Christmas lights embedded in the outcrop walls, boulders and >hand specimens. I also found that the calcite fluoresces red and in some >cases provides a nice contrast to the blue fluorescence of the fluorite >and the occasional yellow fluorescing mineral that I cannot yet >identify. Neat stuff, and now I have a couple more 5 gal buckets of rocks >waiting to be cleaned and trimmed. So many rocks, so little time....I've >got to learn to be more selective. > >These trips have been good for me in ways much more important than >accumulating more rocks in my garage. The fresh air, the company of >friends (my youngest son on one trip), the opportunity to see new places >on this good green earth and the chance to uncover a little of the >crystalline beauty of Gods creation that lies hidden just out of sight - >these things have all contributed to my healing and have helped to take >the edge off of what for me has been the worst of times. > >For you see, life can change in an instant, and my life changed suddenly >this year when my wife of nearly 42 years, was killed in an automobile >accident the day after Mother's Day. I have learned many things since >that dreadful day. Among them are to accept life as it is (or at least to >try to), to appreciate more fully the importance of the relationships I >have with family and friends, to sit patiently and wait for the evolving >colors of the sunset, to give thanks for the gift of each new day and try >to live it to its fullest, and to keep doing not only those things that >must be done but the things that bring enjoyment and peace. For me that >means continuing to go into the field to collect minerals. > >Life indeed is short and there is not enough time to visit all the mines, >collect all the specimens or perhaps even to clean the ones we find. But >that's OK....its more important to enjoy the journey and to take the time >to love and respect those who journey with us. From my newly gained >perspective, it seems as if the question as to whether this is the best of >times or the worst of times depends both on our circumstances and our >choices. As you make your choices and accept your circumstances I hope >that you too will continue to find joy in playing in the dirt, looking for >rocks to "adopt' and take home. > >Nate Martin > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Docia1154 at aol.com Tue Aug 31 17:02:30 2004 From: Docia1154 at aol.com (Docia1154@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 31 17:02:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Stories - Was(A new book giveaway!) Message-ID: <145.32742f74.2e666b96@aol.com> Kitty is absolutley right, Nate you expressed yourself so well and I know I was very touched by your story. I think you teach very well the lesson of living ones life for now, whether it is the best of times or not, now may be all you have - live it. Find enjoyment where it lies for you because you never know when it will be taken from you. God Bless you and your family. Docia In a message dated 8/31/2004 6:41:15 PM Central Daylight Time, kahako@aloha.net writes: Oh, Nate, what an exquisitely beautiful and painful story! Everyone, if you think you don't have time to read the whole thing, just read the last two paragraphs...that will make you go back and read it all. You have our deepest sympathies, Nate. God grant you the strength to continue healing. Aloha nui loa, Kitty & Bill At 01:11 PM 8/31/2004, you wrote: >Lanny, >Here is my story, submitted with a lot of trepidation, for it is very >personal. >Nate Martin > >------------------------------------------ >It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......When Dickens >wrote these words in the Tale of Two Cities he was talking about the >French revolution, but they also speak to me about my collecting >experiences (and many other things) this summer. > >Summers are short in New England and days spent collecting in the field >are precious adventures because the time devoted to that activity competes >with a host of other things. I always have wished that I could find more >time to be out in the field collecting. You all know the saying; so many >rocks, so little time.....so little time indeed! > >This summer has seen me in the field more times than ever, visiting >several localities; some familiar - others that I have never been to >before. In that sense, it has been the best of times, but tempered by >circumstance. > >In the familiar category, I led a club trip to the VAG quarry in Eden >Mills in June. I have been there many times before and it is like >visiting an old friend, a familiar place yet always offering a surprise or >two. So I have another 5 gal bucket full of rocks in my garage, waiting >to be cleaned and etched in acid to see what, if any, treasures lie below >the calcite. So many rocks, so little time clearly applies to cleaning >and trimming as well as to collecting in the field. > >I have also visited at least four localities in New Hampshire and have >been rewarded with sharp & well formed (but alas opaque) green tourmaline, >schorl, spodumene, fluorite in shades of green, purple and clear, and ball >mica. Each of these localities involved following old directions, >sometimes supplemented by lat/long coordinates from MASMILS or info from >an old article in Rocks and Minerals. It is always a thrill to actually >find one of these localities and many times I must admit that the real >goal is to simply be outside, getting some exercise, enjoying a fine >summer day, the New Hampshire scenery and the good company of a >friend. Actually finding decent specimens becomes simply "icing on the >cake." Nevertheless, I now have several flats of material from these >trips waiting to be cleaned and sorted. I have no doubt that many will >end up in the rock garden. > >This last weekend I was collecting in Connecticut with a friend and >visited an old "worked out" locality near Old Mine Park in Trumbull. A >couple of years ago we visited this locality and I came away with an >amazing spray of tiny colorless hexagonal prisms that look for all the >world like beryl crystals but exhibit sky blue fluorescence under short >wave UV light. I was sure that I remembered approximately where the >boulder was that produced this unusual specimen. Unfortunately, after a >couple of hours of searching in the heat and humidity of an August day, I >had to admit that I could not find it - memory is a funny thing - and >turned my attention to the rest of the deposit. I was very pleased to >find a nice plate of fluorite crystals, not large by most standards but at >least visible without magnification and reasonably good for the >locality. However, the most fun was coming back at night to collect >fluorescent minerals. Not only was it cooler but there there seemed to be >scheelite everywhere and its brilliant white fluorescence shone like >strings of Christmas lights embedded in the outcrop walls, boulders and >hand specimens. I also found that the calcite fluoresces red and in some >cases provides a nice contrast to the blue fluorescence of the fluorite >and the occasional yellow fluorescing mineral that I cannot yet >identify. Neat stuff, and now I have a couple more 5 gal buckets of rocks >waiting to be cleaned and trimmed. So many rocks, so little time....I've >got to learn to be more selective. > >These trips have been good for me in ways much more important than >accumulating more rocks in my garage. The fresh air, the company of >friends (my youngest son on one trip), the opportunity to see new places >on this good green earth and the chance to uncover a little of the >crystalline beauty of Gods creation that lies hidden just out of sight - >these things have all contributed to my healing and have helped to take >the edge off of what for me has been the worst of times. > >For you see, life can change in an instant, and my life changed suddenly >this year when my wife of nearly 42 years, was killed in an automobile >accident the day after Mother's Day. I have learned many things since >that dreadful day. Among them are to accept life as it is (or at least to >try to), to appreciate more fully the importance of the relationships I >have with family and friends, to sit patiently and wait for the evolving >colors of the sunset, to give thanks for the gift of each new day and try >to live it to its fullest, and to keep doing not only those things that >must be done but the things that bring enjoyment and peace. For me that >means continuing to go into the field to collect minerals. > >Life indeed is short and there is not enough time to visit all the mines, >collect all the specimens or perhaps even to clean the ones we find. But >that's OK....its more important to enjoy the journey and to take the time >to love and respect those who journey with us. From my newly gained >perspective, it seems as if the question as to whether this is the best of >times or the worst of times depends both on our circumstances and our >choices. As you make your choices and accept your circumstances I hope >that you too will continue to find joy in playing in the dirt, looking for >rocks to "adopt' and take home. > >Nate Martin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Gslrocks at aol.com Tue Aug 31 18:53:15 2004 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 31 18:53:22 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Stories - Was(A new book giveaway!) Message-ID: <85.14d415d9.2e66858b@aol.com> Nate the yellow usually found with the fluorite or chlorophane teal sw (and very UV and light sensitive) variety of fluorite is fluorapatite usually good SW and MW. if it is just sw it cold be powellite or impure scheelite depending on the amount of tungsten it contains. I am sorry to hear about your wife, i have lost many friends and relatives along the way. I try to enjoy the times i get to spend visiting and in the field collecting with the people i care about the most. I get heartbroken going to mines that are being reclaimed as it is not unlike losing an old friend also! Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mineral.maertens at att.net Tue Aug 31 19:30:23 2004 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (mineral.maertens@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 31 19:30:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] PA minerals Message-ID: <090120040230.28755.4135343F000362C70000705321602813029C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> Living in New Jersey and spoiled by Franklin and traprock quarries, I find myself going to Pennsylvania locations quite often. Pennsylvania is rich in diversity and geology; metamorphic, sedimentary rocks (igneous?). The C.K. Williams serpentine minerals, limestone minerals, coal mine minerals. Do you remember Dyers and Kibblehouse quarries or Teeter? How about the classic Phoenixville area? Plenty of diversity in minerals, size and esthetics. Johan From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Aug 31 19:44:33 2004 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Aug 31 19:44:27 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:: Lanny's trip contest / Mundy's Landing References: <20040831154643.90827.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007101c48fcd$9d176400$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Bill McKenzie and I collected in the East Faircloth vein (Hayden mine) at Mundy's Landing more than 10 years ago. It was written up in Mineral News. In fact, almost all my collecting stories have been in MN since the late 1980's! My summer trip to Bancroft will be in the upcoming issue. In brief, Bill had found a productive area a couple hundred feet inside. The problem was - it was 30' above the floor. He brought an extension ladder. That and scrambling up another 15 feet brought us to a nice vuggy area with lavender fluorite on barite with doubly terminated calcite. We ended up with a lot of material. One boulder I salvaged has a cube 3" on an edge which is - by far - the largest single fluorite crystal I've seen from the Central KY district. (Most big crystals are 1/2".) I remember looking straight up at one point and seeing the sky 100' above in a gap in the ceiling! I'd hate to stumble into that hole from the surface - it would be deadly! We also had to walk across a flooded winze (a vertical shaft inside the mine) which was probably 100 feet deep leading to a submerged lower level on old mine rails and the extension ladder. During a later visit Bill told me half the extension ladder came loose and disappeared in the flooded shaft. Oops! Although Bill visited repeatedly until he worked this and several other areas out, I only went with him once. We got covered in mud. And I was so incredibly sore from carrying specimens, it was amazing I didn't hurt my back. A couple of years later, I understand some Ohio mineral collectors were in the mine and one collector fell and broke his back. The owners have not let anyone else into the mine since that incident to the best of my knowledge. I shot a roll of slide film during this collecting trip, so it is documented in my photo archives. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Lanny's trip contest > Hi everyone: > > I've had a number of really productive and fun collecting trips, but one of the most interesting wasn't very productive. > > Recently John Betts has had a couple of nice specimens from the "Central Kentucky Fluorspar District, Danville, Ky" both fluorite and calcite. I've collected geodes near there a couple of times, but had never really heard of that district before. It aroused my curiosity big time, since Fluorite is one of my favorites! > > So we looked in various books for KY minerals, and one (only one) mentioned a fluorite "prospect" on the Kentucky river near Danville. No real directions other than a place name, Mondy's Landing, which was on both sides of the river on our topo maps. We set out for Mondy's Landing, which must have been the site of a ferry in years past. There's a lot of history in this part of KY, and there are beautiful horse farms with old plantation houses (mansions) that you can tell are at least a hundred years old, just from the giant trrees lining the driveways. > > As we got closer to the Landing, the roads got smaller and smaller. And then they ended, and we weren't very near the river yet. And there were fences, and expensive looking horses. This is where those $2-5M horses are at stud, so we didn't want to cross any fences. > > So we decided to cross the river, and try the Landing on the other side. The map and the actual roads were only in general agreement, so we weren't sure of where we were, nor of where we wanted to go! > > But we got very near the river, and the road finally ran into a farmyard, more normal, with the average run-down sheds and barns I'm more used to seeing on farms where I live in WV. The road was 1 lane with scant blacktop, but there was a wide shoulder just outside the farm. > > We parked, and climbed up the hill in the woods opposite the wide shoulder. There was a pile of tailings, with a few larger boulders past the pile, and there were crystals, not pretty freestanding ones, but still. We climbed up the tailings, which had trees 12 and 16 inches thick growing out of them, and the top was fairly level. On the steep hillside, there was a slot dug out, that must have been a dike or otherwise filled fissure. It got fairly dark in the back of the slot, and the rock walls didn't look very promising, which is probably why the prospect never became a real mine. > > But we did find purple cubic fluorites, and calcites, that were contacted about 7 mm high, that must have been the thickness of the crack they grew in. Both in the tailings pile, and inside some of the larger boulder-sized rocks. > > The process of finding the prospect, and the actual discovery of real fluorite (even tho not near the quality of John's specimens for sale) was terrifically exciting! We came home with a hundred pounds of geodes, mostly just Qz, but the 3 or 4 fluorite specimens, small and dinky as they are, will always remind me of the successful hunt for wild minerals! > > JR in WV > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lanny at lrream.com Tue Aug 31 21:27:31 2004 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Aug 31 21:26:40 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Stories - Was(A new book giveaway!) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040831112429.01e995b0@po2.bbn.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040831112429.01e995b0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <3DBBEF9B-FBCF-11D8-90A1-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Dear Nate, My sympathies on the loss of your wife. My congratulations on your continued positive outlook on life. Kitty is right, everyone should read your story. Writing it must have been difficult, but I believe it was good for all of us. The next time you are in northern Idaho I shall have to make sure my schedule gets changed so that we can finally go collecting together. I know it will be good for me. I already enjoy life and getting out in the field collecting, but I believe a day with you will make it even better. Sincerely, Lanny On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Nathan C. Martin II wrote: > Lanny, > Here is my story, submitted with a lot of trepidation, for it is very > personal. > Nate Martin > > ------------------------------------------ > It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......When Dickens > wrote these words in the Tale of Two Cities he was talking about the > French revolution, but they also speak to me about my collecting > experiences (and many other things) this summer. > > Summers are short in New England and days spent collecting in the > field are precious adventures because the time devoted to that > activity competes with a host of other things. I always have wished > that I could find more time to be out in the field collecting. You > all know the saying; so many rocks, so little time.....so little time > indeed! > > This summer has seen me in the field more times than ever, visiting > several localities; some familiar - others that I have never been to > before. In that sense, it has been the best of times, but tempered by > circumstance. > > In the familiar category, I led a club trip to the VAG quarry in Eden > Mills in June. I have been there many times before and it is like > visiting an old friend, a familiar place yet always offering a > surprise or two. So I have another 5 gal bucket full of rocks in my > garage, waiting to be cleaned and etched in acid to see what, if any, > treasures lie below the calcite. So many rocks, so little time > clearly applies to cleaning and trimming as well as to collecting in > the field. > > I have also visited at least four localities in New Hampshire and have > been rewarded with sharp & well formed (but alas opaque) green > tourmaline, schorl, spodumene, fluorite in shades of green, purple and > clear, and ball mica. Each of these localities involved following old > directions, sometimes supplemented by lat/long coordinates from > MASMILS or info from an old article in Rocks and Minerals. It is > always a thrill to actually find one of these localities and many > times I must admit that the real goal is to simply be outside, getting > some exercise, enjoying a fine summer day, the New Hampshire scenery > and the good company of a friend. Actually finding decent specimens > becomes simply "icing on the cake." Nevertheless, I now have several > flats of material from these trips waiting to be cleaned and sorted. > I have no doubt that many will end up in the rock garden. > > This last weekend I was collecting in Connecticut with a friend and > visited an old "worked out" locality near Old Mine Park in Trumbull. > A couple of years ago we visited this locality and I came away with an > amazing spray of tiny colorless hexagonal prisms that look for all the > world like beryl crystals but exhibit sky blue fluorescence under > short wave UV light. I was sure that I remembered approximately where > the boulder was that produced this unusual specimen. Unfortunately, > after a couple of hours of searching in the heat and humidity of an > August day, I had to admit that I could not find it - memory is a > funny thing - and turned my attention to the rest of the deposit. I > was very pleased to find a nice plate of fluorite crystals, not large > by most standards but at least visible without magnification and > reasonably good for the locality. However, the most fun was coming > back at night to collect fluorescent minerals. Not only was it cooler > but there there seemed to be scheelite everywhere and its brilliant > white fluorescence shone like strings of Christmas lights embedded in > the outcrop walls, boulders and hand specimens. I also found that the > calcite fluoresces red and in some cases provides a nice contrast to > the blue fluorescence of the fluorite and the occasional yellow > fluorescing mineral that I cannot yet identify. Neat stuff, and now I > have a couple more 5 gal buckets of rocks waiting to be cleaned and > trimmed. So many rocks, so little time....I've got to learn to be > more selective. > > These trips have been good for me in ways much more important than > accumulating more rocks in my garage. The fresh air, the company of > friends (my youngest son on one trip), the opportunity to see new > places on this good green earth and the chance to uncover a little of > the crystalline beauty of Gods creation that lies hidden just out of > sight - these things have all contributed to my healing and have > helped to take the edge off of what for me has been the worst of > times. > > For you see, life can change in an instant, and my life changed > suddenly this year when my wife of nearly 42 years, was killed in an > automobile accident the day after Mother's Day. I have learned many > things since that dreadful day. Among them are to accept life as it > is (or at least to try to), to appreciate more fully the importance of > the relationships I have with family and friends, to sit patiently and > wait for the evolving colors of the sunset, to give thanks for the > gift of each new day and try to live it to its fullest, and to keep > doing not only those things that must be done but the things that > bring enjoyment and peace. For me that means continuing to go into > the field to collect minerals. > > Life indeed is short and there is not enough time to visit all the > mines, collect all the specimens or perhaps even to clean the ones we > find. But that's OK....its more important to enjoy the journey and to > take the time to love and respect those who journey with us. From my > newly gained perspective, it seems as if the question as to whether > this is the best of times or the worst of times depends both on our > circumstances and our choices. As you make your choices and accept > your circumstances I hope that you too will continue to find joy in > playing in the dirt, looking for rocks to "adopt' and take home. > > Nate Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >