From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 07:00:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Feb 2 07:00:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b201c3e99d$28bdf1e0$6501a8c0@moose> It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid on this???". Check this one out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 (that's all on one line, kiddies) GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 07:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Feb 2 07:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! References: <00b201c3e99d$28bdf1e0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <00bb01c3e99f$c22ff2e0$fa05efd1@oemcomputer> Hey, what's to complain about, for five grand you get _free shipping_ !!! Let the bidding commence! Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: February 2, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! > It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid > on this???". Check this one out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 > > (that's all on one line, kiddies) > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 07:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 2 07:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! References: <00b201c3e99d$28bdf1e0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <000701c3e99f$a47d1ac0$3a9f77d5@axel> Just to be sure, I took a look at the Federal Bureau of Prisons home page. Yep, Thad Ryan Roberts is still behind bars... this has "con-artist" written all over it and it's precisely what one would expect of him ;-))))) You had me there for a minute Gary, I thought he was out and at it again.... LOL On the other hand, who's to say it isn't something valuable??? Naaaah, I'll keep my money. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! > It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid > on this???". Check this one out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 > > (that's all on one line, kiddies) > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 07:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Mon Feb 2 07:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! In-Reply-To: <000701c3e99f$a47d1ac0$3a9f77d5@axel> Message-ID: Maybe it are moon rocks, Go get them, Axel!!! Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:17 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! Just to be sure, I took a look at the Federal Bureau of Prisons home page. Yep, Thad Ryan Roberts is still behind bars... this has "con-artist" written all over it and it's precisely what one would expect of him ;-))))) You had me there for a minute Gary, I thought he was out and at it again.... LOL On the other hand, who's to say it isn't something valuable??? Naaaah, I'll keep my money. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! > It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid > on this???". Check this one out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 > > (that's all on one line, kiddies) > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 08:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 2 08:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Check out eBay item 2220944162 (Ends Feb-02-04 08:00:00 PST) - Is it Gold ,or Message-ID: <55.4ffeeeef.2d4fce8b@aol.com> Someone on a computer list I'm on..sent this in..he came across it..somehow! What do you all think? Jackie Click here: eBay item 2220944162 (Ends Feb-02-04 08:00:00 PST) - Is it Gold ,or is it a Star ? *BIG BIDDERS* --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 08:05:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 2 08:05:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! Message-ID: Obviously not..since he has had 0 bids in a week! LOL! Jackie In a message dated 2/2/04 10:00:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com writes: It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid on this???". Check this one out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 (that's all on one line, kiddies) GcB --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 08:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 2 08:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Check out eBay item 2220944162 (Ends Feb-02-04 08:00:00 PST)... Message-ID: MY apologies..I thought for sure the original email had come in from my PC group..and I have no other excuses..I'm wearing my glasses..and I had my cawfee this morning. Cripes..Sorry!! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 08:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 2 08:07:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! In-Reply-To: References: <000701c3e99f$a47d1ac0$3a9f77d5@axel> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040202080527.01ed22d0@mail.spiritone.com> It cost him what about $50 to list it for a minimum $5000 bid? Suckered himself methinks :) At 07:29 AM 2/2/2004, you wrote: >Maybe it are moon rocks, Go get them, Axel!!! > >Maurice > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 13:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Mon Feb 2 13:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040202080527.01ed22d0@mail.spiritone.com> References: <000701c3e99f$a47d1ac0$3a9f77d5@axel> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040202160819.00bdb3f8@pop.megalink.net> At 08:06 AM 2/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: >It cost him what about $50 to list it for a minimum $5000 bid? Suckered >himself methinks :) Seller has zero feedback and zero other items for sale....looks like a "message" to me..... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 13:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Feb 2 13:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3e99f$c22ff2e0$fa05efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: LOL a density of about 3 is heavy like gold?! BK Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > Hey, what's to complain about, for five grand you get _free shipping_ !!! > > Let the bidding commence! > > Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Brown" > To: > Sent: February 2, 2004 9:59 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! > > > > It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY > bid > > on this???". Check this one out: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&cate gory=3224 > > (that's all on one line, kiddies) > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 15:19:05 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:19:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. Message-ID: <001d01c3e9e2$13c58ba0$305204d0@jim> As a follow-up to an earlier thread, I've (finally) posted a list of = minerals requiring "special handling" on my website www.sauktown.com It's not restricted to just water-soluble or humidity-sensitive = minerals, but also includes light-sensitive, etc. I regard this list as a "first draft", so I'd appreciate additions, = corrections, etc. On the home page of my website there's a direct link, or you can find it = through the General Information and Links page. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 16:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Feb 2 16:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. References: <001d01c3e9e2$13c58ba0$305204d0@jim> Message-ID: <001b01c3e9da$b83f3bc0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> >I've (finally) posted a list of minerals requiring "special handling" Thanks Jim, I've been wondering about this for some time now. If I may add that Cinnabar is affected by heat. I left a few samples in the summer sun after cleaning and noticed beads of mercury sweating out of the crystals. John Siebel Santa, Idaho www.pandemoniumgraphics.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 18:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Neil) Date: Mon Feb 2 18:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401F08F5.4090500@csionline.net> Me thinks you could almost buy a "real" 15 ounce gold nugget for $5,000, and if anyone bids on it I have bunches of "real valuable" stuff, thats "real heavy" in my yard rock wall that I'll part with real cheap - I'll even spray it with gold paint if they want. Neil CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: >Obviously not..since he has had 0 bids in a week! LOL! > Jackie > >In a message dated 2/2/04 10:00:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, >gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com writes: >It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid >on this???". Check this one out: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 > >(that's all on one line, kiddies) > >GcB > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 20:06:15 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 2 20:06:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! References: <401F08F5.4090500@csionline.net> Message-ID: <401F1E19.56EE@Tomaszewski.net> Specimen Gold runs around $25 a gram, with the price increasing with the size of the nugget (not linear), and (presence) quality of crystals. Real gold would be bright, not dark/tarnished looking (it tends to tarnish bright green), and probably cost you three times what you thought. It does not appear to be dense enough for "fool's gold". It looks like chalcopyrite in matrix from the Sudbury District (Ontario, CA), but again is not dense enough. I think you may be right about paint. Kreigh Neil wrote: > > Me thinks you could almost buy a "real" 15 ounce gold nugget for $5,000, > and if anyone bids on it I have bunches of "real valuable" stuff, thats > "real heavy" in my yard rock wall that I'll part with real cheap - I'll > even spray it with gold paint if they want. > > Neil > > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > >Obviously not..since he has had 0 bids in a week! LOL! > > Jackie > > > >In a message dated 2/2/04 10:00:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com writes: > >It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid > >on this???". Check this one out: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 > > > >(that's all on one line, kiddies) > > > >GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 22:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Feb 2 22:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. In-Reply-To: <001d01c3e9e2$13c58ba0$305204d0@jim> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040202160432.023ab100@mail.aloha.net> Many thanks, Jim. Very helpful. I'm again about to display my ignorance, but here goes: I can guess what to do about most of the things on your list. However, in regard to Oxidation and Efflorescence, how do I prevent them from happening? And another question (perhaps related): I gather that there are some minerals that should not be stored or displayed next to each other; how do I know which ones those are? Aloha, Kitty At 01:12 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote: >As a follow-up to an earlier thread, I've (finally) posted a list of >minerals requiring "special handling" on my website www.sauktown.com >It's not restricted to just water-soluble or humidity-sensitive minerals, >but also includes light-sensitive, etc. >I regard this list as a "first draft", so I'd appreciate additions, >corrections, etc. >On the home page of my website there's a direct link, or you can find it >through the General Information and Links page. >Jim Daly >Sauktown Sales >Microminerals and mounting supplies >http://www.sauktown.com >sauktown@adsnet.com >or orders@sauktown.com > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 3 12:04:21 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Tue Feb 3 12:04:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! References: <00b201c3e99d$28bdf1e0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <09ac01c3ea7b$3ef386d0$1aca94d1@hewlettlydtpep> Gus..... are you out there??? call me immediately at the hotel please...... soory to everyone else that isn't Gus! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Garsh... I think I'll bid! > It's been a while since we've had one of our "my garsh do people REALLY bid > on this???". Check this one out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2220944162&category=3224 > > (that's all on one line, kiddies) > > GcB > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 3 12:05:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Feb 3 12:05:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. Message-ID: <30099208.1075832721034.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thank you Jim...I can see this can be a useful source for anyone collecting, buying, selling, etc! Last summer we sent several flats of glauberite from an old salt mine to a dealer in the northeast part of the U.S. He emailed about six weeks later as both he and his customer were 'disturbed' that they were water soluble and the humidity was deteriorating the specimens. If I remember correctly, he didn't think glauberite would be affected by moisture and therefore what we sent must not be glauberite. We learned from that experience, that whenever possible to make sure someone understands how to protect the mineral -- it isn't always about proper packing to keep them from breaking. Teresa -----Original Message----- From: Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Feb 2, 2004 7:18 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. Many thanks, Jim. Very helpful. I'm again about to display my ignorance, but here goes: I can guess what to do about most of the things on your list. However, in regard to Oxidation and Efflorescence, how do I prevent them from happening? And another question (perhaps related): I gather that there are some minerals that should not be stored or displayed next to each other; how do I know which ones those are? Aloha, Kitty At 01:12 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote: >As a follow-up to an earlier thread, I've (finally) posted a list of >minerals requiring "special handling" on my website www.sauktown.com >It's not restricted to just water-soluble or humidity-sensitive minerals, >but also includes light-sensitive, etc. >I regard this list as a "first draft", so I'd appreciate additions, >corrections, etc. >On the home page of my website there's a direct link, or you can find it >through the General Information and Links page. >Jim Daly >Sauktown Sales >Microminerals and mounting supplies >http://www.sauktown.com >sauktown@adsnet.com >or orders@sauktown.com > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 3 12:41:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Tue Feb 3 12:41:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - TUCSON update ! lot of new rocks ! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040203212756.01afe848@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, TUCSON show 2004 has just started since a lot of us are going on visiting rooms at the many Hotels in Tucson downtown ! I have collected a quite nice range of minerals from many locations and all characterized by nice crystals, color and shapes ! give a look at www.ItalianMinerals.com and probably you might find what you are looking for otherwise ... just thanks for your visit ! In this update you can see vanadinite from Marocco chalcostibite from Marocco apophyllite from India garnet from Italy egirina from Malawi in 4-5 cm crystals ! wendwilsonite from Marocco octahedral fluorite from China wolframite from China with 3-4 cm crystals pyromorphite from Spain We are based in Italy and we have always a lot of Italian Minerals available. In case you need anything peculiar just ask yo us ! for those visiting Italy in the next months we remind to buy the CDs on Elba Island pegmatite minerals Thanks again for your attention, www.ItalianMinerals.com ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 3 13:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Feb 3 13:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. In-Reply-To: <30099208.1075832721034.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earth link.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040203105829.02313e60@mail.aloha.net> At 08:25 AM 2/3/2004, you wrote: >...Last summer we sent several flats of glauberite from an old salt mine >to a dealer in the northeast part of the U.S. He emailed about six weeks >later as both he and his customer were 'disturbed' that they were water >soluble and the humidity was deteriorating the specimens. If I remember >correctly, he didn't think glauberite would be affected by moisture and >therefore what we sent must not be glauberite. We learned from that >experience, that whenever possible to make sure someone understands how to >protect the mineral -- it isn't always about proper packing to keep them >from breaking. > >Teresa Yep. My first specimen of hanksite I made the mistake of leaving out on a nice table overnight in our living room. Ignorant me, I thought it wouldn't hurt to wait until morning to store new pieces properly. Ten hours later the formerly green hanksite had a white coating, and there was a puddle of liquid on the table. I was able to somewhat restore the hanksite with a little mineral oil. However when I wiped the liquid off the table the finish of the wood came with it. I haven't gotten around to re-finishing the table, so the bare wood patch serves as a constant reminder of my stupidity! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 3 15:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Feb 3 15:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. References: <001d01c3e9e2$13c58ba0$305204d0@jim> <001b01c3e9da$b83f3bc0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <002f01c3eaaa$edc8b700$165204d0@jim> Thanks, John I've added that to the list for the next update. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. > >I've (finally) posted a list of minerals requiring "special handling" > > Thanks Jim, > > I've been wondering about this for some time now. If I may add that Cinnabar > is affected by heat. I left a few samples in the summer sun after cleaning > and noticed beads of mercury sweating out of the crystals. > > John Siebel > Santa, Idaho > www.pandemoniumgraphics.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 3 15:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Feb 3 15:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040202160432.023ab100@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003701c3eaab$8c1995a0$165204d0@jim> To answer question #1, the only answer is an airtight mount- not too difficult with a micromount or thumbnail, but as the specimen gets bigger, the problems increase. I've also seen hanksite preserved my immersion in mineral oil- OK if the specimen will never have to be analyzed. Regarding question #2, I don't have any data, other than the well-known pyrite/marcasite problem. Here we all could use some feedback. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. > Many thanks, Jim. Very helpful. > > I'm again about to display my ignorance, but here goes: I can guess what > to do about most of the things on your list. However, in regard to > Oxidation and Efflorescence, how do I prevent them from happening? And > another question (perhaps related): I gather that there are some minerals > that should not be stored or displayed next to each other; how do I know > which ones those are? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 01:12 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote: > > >As a follow-up to an earlier thread, I've (finally) posted a list of > >minerals requiring "special handling" on my website www.sauktown.com > >It's not restricted to just water-soluble or humidity-sensitive minerals, > >but also includes light-sensitive, etc. > >I regard this list as a "first draft", so I'd appreciate additions, > >corrections, etc. > >On the home page of my website there's a direct link, or you can find it > >through the General Information and Links page. > >Jim Daly > >Sauktown Sales > >Microminerals and mounting supplies > >http://www.sauktown.com > >sauktown@adsnet.com > >or orders@sauktown.com > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 4 01:10:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Feb 4 01:10:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040203105829.02313e60@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <003e01c3eafe$b05af690$199c77d5@axel> Hi Teresa & Kitty Teresa wrote: >he didn't think glauberite would be affected by moisture and >therefore what we sent must not be glauberite. I once had a aggregate of blocky crystals of glauberite, about 5 cm across. I bought it in one of the more "expensive" mineral shops in Antwerp so I don't think it was some other, misidentified mineral but glauberite alright. Well, over the years (many, like 6 or 7 ) the edges of the mineral lost their sharpness and the whole group of crystals got "rounded off". At last I decided tat the specimen was not worth keeping any longer. When I took it out of the display it just crumbled to a moist heap of coarse rubble I'm not absolutely sure, but I think that it's one of those treaturous, long-term decaying, only slightly hygroscopic minerals. Glauberite is also an evaporite. It is therefore possible that the glauberite itself is not affected by moisture but that it has included some other evaporites that are. Cheers from Belgium Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. At 08:25 AM 2/3/2004, you wrote: >...Last summer we sent several flats of glauberite from an old salt mine >to a dealer in the northeast part of the U.S. He emailed about six weeks >later as both he and his customer were 'disturbed' that they were water >soluble and the humidity was deteriorating the specimens. If I remember >correctly, he didn't think glauberite would be affected by moisture and >therefore what we sent must not be glauberite. We learned from that >experience, that whenever possible to make sure someone understands how to >protect the mineral -- it isn't always about proper packing to keep them >from breaking. > >Teresa Yep. My first specimen of hanksite I made the mistake of leaving out on a nice table overnight in our living room. Ignorant me, I thought it wouldn't hurt to wait until morning to store new pieces properly. Ten hours later the formerly green hanksite had a white coating, and there was a puddle of liquid on the table. I was able to somewhat restore the hanksite with a little mineral oil. However when I wiped the liquid off the table the finish of the wood came with it. I haven't gotten around to re-finishing the table, so the bare wood patch serves as a constant reminder of my stupidity! Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 4 06:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Feb 4 06:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vacation Message-ID: <002001c3eb27$165dbe00$295204d0@jim> Sauktown Sales will be down for vacation until Feb. 10. No orders or = correspondence can be answered until then. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 4 07:53:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jbacko) Date: Wed Feb 4 07:53:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display ideas, etc. Message-ID: <40211443.8010804@hal-pc.org> Regarding efflorescence, a good experiment is to take some Washing Soda (Sodium Carbonate) and dissolve six or eight ounces in hot water. Put the saturated solution in a glass container and let it cool. After some time you should have a mass of clear blocky crystals in the bottom. remove them and let them air dry. They are beautiful, but after a few days you will note them reverting to the white granules that you took out of the box to make them. A side benefit is to gain an estimation of what the climate conditions are where you are; just how wet or dry is the air in the house, and how does it affect a known crystal mass? The same thing can be done with Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) and Copper Sulfate (Blue Vitriol), Borax, and Iron Sulfate (Verdigris). They all effloresce to one degree or another. All are easily obtainable. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 11:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? Message-ID: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> Hi, List, A "friend of a friend", I'm told, recently bought a green gemstone from a dealer, labelled "tasmarine". I'm not sure I've got the spelling right (how else could it be spelled?), but I've never heard of such a thing, and I searched on the internet but found absolutely nothing about any gemstone by that name (or, with a "z"). Has anyone ever heard of this? It was described as sort of "grass green, not as deep as tsavorite", and, I think, supposed to be from Africa. To me, it sounds like someone's new self-made name for some more common gem variety. I found nothing on either google or ebay about it. (Since half the things sold on ebay don't really exist anyway (like $5000 solid gold meteorites), if you can't find it on ebay, it must REALLY not exist!) sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? In-Reply-To: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> References: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> Message-ID: <8C980DC6-5816-11D8-A4E1-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> dear pete, there are plenty of hits for tashmarine (note the h), a new gemstone. cathy On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:41 PM, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Hi, List, > > A "friend of a friend", I'm told, recently bought a green gemstone > from a > dealer, labelled "tasmarine". I'm not sure I've got the spelling > right (how > else could it be spelled?), but I've never heard of such a thing, and I > searched on the internet but found absolutely nothing about any > gemstone by > that name (or, with a "z"). Has anyone ever heard of this? It was > described > as sort of "grass green, not as deep as tsavorite", and, I think, > supposed to > be from Africa. To me, it sounds like someone's new self-made name > for some > more common gem variety. > > I found nothing on either google or ebay about it. (Since half the > things > sold on ebay don't really exist anyway (like $5000 solid gold > meteorites), if > you can't find it on ebay, it must REALLY not exist!) > > sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service Message-ID: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off Line) and it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any problems with their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if every one in the state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state must be having problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out there??? T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? In-Reply-To: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> Message-ID: Hi, I have a colleague (non-rockhound) who will be traveling to Sydney and wants to buy a bit of opal as an engagement present. He isn't sure if he wants a rough piece to mount himself or a finished ring. Any one have a suggestion as to a good dealer or two in the Sydney area who might have both rough and finished jewelry available? Thanks! Bill Cordua Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? Message-ID: <020520042015.29741.6d47@att.net> Pete, I had little doubt the name is made up, but I'm wondering why you didn't propose green zoisite as a possibility, even though the name "tasmarine" doesn't suggest that. Speaking of made up-mineral names--sort of--I've heard that there is great disappointment in the gem trade over the name for the new species pezzotaite. Those in the mineralogy/geology world see dozens of new species every year, almost all of them micro, extremely rare (or some adjectival modification of "rare," depending upon what section of the dealer's table you're viewing), redefinitions of existing species or groups, analogues of existing species, etc., but we note that very few new species are of any great consequence. I think pezzotaite may be the first commercially interesting species in quite some time; as one Internet poster put it (to my amusement), "there hasn't been a new mineral in about 40 years . . . it was named by some organization called the IMA, they're in Switzerland I think . . . " So why are they upset? Because the name isn't marketable!!! Yeeesh. Don > Hi, List, > > A "friend of a friend", I'm told, recently bought a green gemstone from a > dealer, labelled "tasmarine". From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:28:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:28:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? Message-ID: <020520042027.10119.1b0b@att.net> AHAAA!!! "Gemologically, the gem is diopside, and it’s from a deposit near Tashkent in eastern Uzbekistan. Diopside, mostly originating in Russia, has been gaining popularity as a gem in recent years, particularly because its deep green is reminiscent of the finest green tourmaline-at a fraction of the price. A recent issue of The Guide lists the wholesale price of extra fine chrome green tourmaline in the 5-10-ct. range at $1,200-1,800 per carat. Chrome diopside of a similar size, clarity and color is $50-80 per carat." Chrome diospide has been on the market for years; that was one of the first type of stones I bought when I started. How you can trademark a name to something that you didn't create is beyond me. Don > > Pete, > > I had little doubt the name is made up, but I'm wondering why you didn't > propose green zoisite as a possibility, even though the name "tasmarine" > doesn't suggest that. > > Speaking of made up-mineral names--sort of--I've heard that there is great > disappointment in the gem trade over the name for the new species pezzotaite. > Those in the mineralogy/geology world see dozens of new species every year, > almost all of them micro, extremely rare (or some adjectival modification of > "rare," depending upon what section of the dealer's table you're viewing), > redefinitions of existing species or groups, analogues of existing species, > etc., but we note that very few new species are of any great consequence. I > think pezzotaite may be the first commercially interesting species in quite > some time; as one Internet poster put it (to my amusement), "there hasn't been > a new mineral in about 40 years . . . it was named by some organization called > the IMA, they're in Switzerland I think . . . " So why are they upset? > Because the name isn't marketable!!! Yeeesh. > > Don > > > > Hi, List, > > > > A "friend of a friend", I'm told, recently bought a green gemstone from a > > dealer, labelled "tasmarine". > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:49:06 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:49:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service References: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3ec2a$a0aed5e0$8a06efd1@oemcomputer> Here in Canada I've had the same ISP for seven years. Definitely get rid of AOL! Shop around and compare the plans until you find the best one and see if you can get a free trial. If they're good, stick with 'em. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: February 5, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service > Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off Line) and > it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any problems with > their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if every one in the > state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state must be having > problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out > there??? > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 12:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? References: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> Message-ID: <001d01c3ec2b$c8bbb700$8a06efd1@oemcomputer> Ah, so good to see the gem folks up to their old tricks, deceiving the public with made up names. I really don't see what's wrong with the name diopside, or zoisite; surely the beauty of the stuff speaks for itself. Here's how the weasels, er, I mean brilliant marketers, came up with this new gem name: "Braunwart says coming up with the name was a challenge. Tashmarine comes from the name Tashkent, which means stone fortress in the local Tajik language, and marine, which refers to its ocean-like color. “Tash, or Natasha, our daughter’s name, is one we also wanted to associate with this beautiful new gemstone,” he says." (http://www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/articles/2002/sep02/0902gn2.htm l) There oughta be a law... Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: February 5, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? > Hi, List, > > A "friend of a friend", I'm told, recently bought a green gemstone from a > dealer, labelled "tasmarine". I'm not sure I've got the spelling right (how > else could it be spelled?), but I've never heard of such a thing, and I > searched on the internet but found absolutely nothing about any gemstone by > that name (or, with a "z"). Has anyone ever heard of this? It was described > as sort of "grass green, not as deep as tsavorite", and, I think, supposed to > be from Africa. To me, it sounds like someone's new self-made name for some > more common gem variety. > > I found nothing on either google or ebay about it. (Since half the things > sold on ebay don't really exist anyway (like $5000 solid gold meteorites), if > you can't find it on ebay, it must REALLY not exist!) > > sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 14:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service References: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c3ec35$ac56fe30$e0b3950c@jessie> Way back when, AOL told me I couldn't quit. They charged me for monthsw (which I refused to pay) and then canceled me for "lack of usage". True- I cleared them from my machine when they downloaded stuff that re-set several parameters in my computer and quit immediately. As to decent service - first check the phone book. A lot of local ISP's do a wonderful job and they answer the phone and help when you need help. (Check with some local customers.) Then run a search - I remember there's a total listing (local and national) of ISP providers but I no longer have the link. Mel Albright From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 14:28:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:28:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? In-Reply-To: <001d01c3ec2b$c8bbb700$8a06efd1@oemcomputer> References: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> <001d01c3ec2b$c8bbb700$8a06efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040205142123.01f343c8@mail.spiritone.com> There IS a law. You cannot trademark a mineral. Do a google search and you will find the US Patent Office rules. Members of a precursor to this group got a website taken down that was advertising practically worthless straw colored feldspar (aka sunstone which is NOT a trademark) from Mexico as "Sunspar(tm)" at truly insane prices (there is a quarry & plant in SW Wyoming that crushes the exact same stuff to use as an air abrasive). We complained to the Patent Office's website and the site got taken down; I don't really know if we were the cause or not but it was about 3 months later that it dropped off the face of the net lol. At 01:05 PM 2/5/2004, you wrote: >Ah, so good to see the gem folks up to their old tricks, deceiving the >public with made up names. I really don't see what's wrong with the name >diopside, or zoisite; surely the beauty of the stuff speaks for itself. > >Here's how the weasels, er, I mean brilliant marketers, came up with this >new gem name: > >"Braunwart says coming up with the name was a challenge. Tashmarine comes >from the name Tashkent, which means stone fortress in the local Tajik >language, and marine, which refers to its ocean-like color. "Tash, or >Natasha, our daughter's name, is one we also wanted to associate with this >beautiful new gemstone," he says." > >(http://www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/articles/2002/sep02/0902gn2.htm >l) > >There oughta be a law... > >Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com >Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com >The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 14:28:06 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:28:06 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service In-Reply-To: <003601c3ec35$ac56fe30$e0b3950c@jessie> References: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> <003601c3ec35$ac56fe30$e0b3950c@jessie> Message-ID: <8AB91802-582A-11D8-9805-000393A96092@mac.com> me too. i cancelled that credit card, that was 1998. i signed onto aol in 2001 and noticed they are still trying to bill me. i cancelled in 1998 in plain english umpteen times. even comcast is better than aol, IMHO ~KLM On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:16 PM, Mel Albright wrote: > Way back when, AOL told me I couldn't quit. They charged me for monthsw > (which I refused to pay) and then canceled me for "lack of usage". "We have no intention of shipping another bloated OS and shoving it down the throats of our users." -- Paul Maritz, Microsoft group vice president --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 14:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service In-Reply-To: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Message-ID: Well if you are in their service area bellsouth.net has pretty good service. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > MCGINNISG@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 15:07 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service > > > Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off > Line) and > it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any > problems with > their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if > every one in the > state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state > must be having > problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out > there??? > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 15:05:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 5 15:05:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service In-Reply-To: <003601c3ec35$ac56fe30$e0b3950c@jessie> References: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040205131210.02bb8070@mail.aloha.net> At 12:16 PM 2/5/2004, you wrote: >As to decent service - first check the phone book. A lot of local ISP's do a >wonderful job and they answer the phone and help when you need help. (Check >with some local customers.) >Mel Albright That's been our experience too. We---along with many friends and neighbors---use a local company, Hawaii On Line (aloha.net) and have had excellent service. As Mel says, they answer the phone and respond to questions quickly and helpfully. Sometimes they even display a sense of humor: once when I looked at the email billing statement and saw that it said that $1630 had been automatically drawn from our bank account for payment I send an urgent email all in caps and with 4 exclamation points. I calmed down for 10 minutes and was about to call them on the phone when an email appeared saying the decimal point was missing, and our account had been charged $16.30. The message then said: "We sincerely hope you have not had a heart attack. SORRY!!!!!!!!" Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 15:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Thu Feb 5 15:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? References: Message-ID: <018b01c3ec3e$febdb980$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> I don't know how these people's prices compare, but there is an Opal shop on George St. right near Circle Quay and the olde towne. Even if there are better deals, it's worth a little time to peruse their shop for their display of minerals near the rear of the shop. Also, at the Chinese Garden, though not much for that, uses for its rocks, large boulders full of fossils. This is at the south end of Darling Harbor. Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Cordua" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? > Hi, > I have a colleague (non-rockhound) who will be traveling to Sydney and > wants to buy a bit of opal as an engagement present. He isn't sure if he > wants a rough piece to mount himself or a finished ring. Any one have a > suggestion as to a good dealer or two in the Sydney area who might have both > rough and finished jewelry available? Thanks! > > Bill Cordua > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 16:24:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:24:01 2004 Subject: [OT] Re: [Rockhounds] Internet service References: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Message-ID: <4022DE92.390B@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off Line) and > it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any problems with > their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if every one in the > state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state must be having > problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out > there??? > T. McGinnis I have been very happy with my service with XO.com (formerly Concentric.net). They are not the cheapest, but they are very reliable (IMO; YMMV) and nationwide. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 18:06:57 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:06:57 2004 Subject: [OT] Re: [Rockhounds] Internet service In-Reply-To: <4022DE92.390B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20040206020003.50636EA88D2@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:36 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [OT] Re: [Rockhounds] Internet service MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off Line) and > it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any problems with > their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if every one in the > state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state must be having > problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out > there??? > T. McGinnis I have been very happy with my service with XO.com (formerly Concentric.net). They are not the cheapest, but they are very reliable (IMO; YMMV) and nationwide. I have always been very happy with my ISP, Infowest, after very unhappy experiences with a couple of previous ones. They even have, for a buck a month, a service that checks everything for viruses etc. (they've been busy culling out the latest trojan horse from my messages) and quarantines all infected messages. Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 18:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? In-Reply-To: <018b01c3ec3e$febdb980$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> Message-ID: <20040206020603.A68A9EBBF3C@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Kuo Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:23 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? I don't know how these people's prices compare, but there is an Opal shop on George St. right near Circle Quay and the olde towne. Even if there are better deals, it's worth a little time to peruse their shop for their display of minerals near the rear of the shop. Also, at the Chinese Garden, though not much for that, uses for its rocks, large boulders full of fossils. This is at the south end of Darling Harbor. Jimmy I would second Jimmy's suggestion of the shop on George Street. But it is really more of a rock shop than an opal shop; don't think he would find much in the way of finished jewelry. I got some pretty boulder opal there. There are a few other shops along George St. not far from there (but I haven't visited any of them). However; I would also like to point out that Sydney is probably the most expensive place in Australia to buy opal. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Cordua" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? > Hi, > I have a colleague (non-rockhound) who will be traveling to Sydney and > wants to buy a bit of opal as an engagement present. He isn't sure if he > wants a rough piece to mount himself or a finished ring. Any one have a > suggestion as to a good dealer or two in the Sydney area who might have both > rough and finished jewelry available? Thanks! > > Bill Cordua > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 18:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service In-Reply-To: <8AB91802-582A-11D8-9805-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <20040206021022.8088DEB01BE@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kris Murray Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Internet service me too. i cancelled that credit card, that was 1998. i signed onto aol in 2001 and noticed they are still trying to bill me. i cancelled in 1998 in plain english umpteen times. even comcast is better than aol, IMHO ~KLM On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:16 PM, Mel Albright wrote: > Way back when, AOL told me I couldn't quit. They charged me for monthsw > (which I refused to pay) and then canceled me for "lack of usage". "We have no intention of shipping another bloated OS and shoving it down the throats of our users." -- Paul Maritz, Microsoft group vice president A friend of mine was summarily dropped from AOL. They accused her of sending out hundreds of messages. This was absolutely wrong, and she told them that. So they tossed her out for arguing with them! Margaret --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 18:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? In-Reply-To: <20040206020603.A68A9EBBF3C@delivery.infowest.com> References: <018b01c3ec3e$febdb980$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040205163818.0238ccf0@mail.aloha.net> >However; I would also like to point out that Sydney is probably the most >expensive place in Australia to buy opal. > >Margaret That is definitely true! There are several shops with beautiful opals and opal jewelry, but the prices are very high. Unfortunately you have to travel quite a way to find the cheaper prices, like Lightening Ridge, White Cliffs, and Coober Pedy. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 5 18:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? References: <018b01c3ec3e$febdb980$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20040205163818.0238ccf0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <4022FEEA.4340@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > >However; I would also like to point out that Sydney is probably the most > >expensive place in Australia to buy opal. > > > >Margaret > > That is definitely true! There are several shops with beautiful opals and > opal jewelry, but the prices are very high. Unfortunately you have to > travel quite a way to find the cheaper prices, like Lightening Ridge, White > Cliffs, and Coober Pedy. > > Aloha, Kitty If you get in the area of Gladesville (NSW 2111) look up Keith Rigby Opals (I think you can also find him with a Google search). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 6 01:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dri) Date: Fri Feb 6 01:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service References: Message-ID: <003901c3ec92$8455c620$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> the ISP we use is the local phone company for our area just North of Seattle which is Verizon. We have their DSL package, and have had very few problems in two years. In fact, our monthly fee decreased three months ago. Verizon has been very forthright when the two incidents of problems occurred. One was a denial of service attach early last fall. The other was cause by a electronic switching relay failure. We are very satisfied with Verizon. Dri-Anna WA - USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 14:33 Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Internet service > Well if you are in their service area bellsouth.net has pretty good service. > > Bryan > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the > sake of the latter." > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > > MCGINNISG@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 15:07 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service > > > > > > Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off > > Line) and > > it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any > > problems with > > their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if > > every one in the > > state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state > > must be having > > problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out > > there??? > > T. McGinnis > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 6 18:14:25 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Feb 6 18:14:25 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tashmarine References: <020520041941.8529.656b@att.net> <8C980DC6-5816-11D8-A4E1-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> Message-ID: <004d01c3ed1f$2a39b560$64a3490c@pete> Thank you all, for these responses (I just had a chance to read them today). Now I know... and I guess I wouldn't have thought to search with the "tash" spelling, not yet having heard it pronounced by anyone, and not yet knowing about the "Tashkent connection". [I was about to try searching for "tanzmarine" and the like--still would have been off base.]. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Gaber" > there are plenty of hits for tashmarine (note the h), a new gemstone. > >"Gemologically, the gem is diopside, and it's from a deposit near Tashkent in eastern Uzbekistan. Diopside, mostly originating in Russia, has been gaining popularity as a gem in recent years, particularly because its deep green is reminiscent of the finest green tourmaline-at a fraction of the price. A recent issue of The Guide lists the wholesale price of extra fine chrome green tourmaline in the 5-10-ct. range at $1,200-1,800 per carat. Chrome diopside of a similar size, clarity and color is $50-80 per arat." ----Don morningstar@att.net >"Braunwart says coming up with the name was a challenge. Tashmarine comes from the name Tashkent, which means stone fortress in the local Tajik language, and marine, which refers to its ocean-like color. "Tash, or Natasha, our daughter's name, is one we also wanted to associate with this beautiful new gemstone," he says." http://www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/articles/2002/sep02/0902gn2.html ---Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 7 12:53:43 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Sat Feb 7 12:53:43 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? In-Reply-To: <4022FEEA.4340@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Thanks to all who gave me advice on Sydney opal dealers. It occurs to me that my best advice to my friend is to stop off in Tucson on the way down under for the best opal deals. Best wishes - Bill Cordua on 2/5/04 8:54 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski at Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net wrote: > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: >> >>> However; I would also like to point out that Sydney is probably the most >>> expensive place in Australia to buy opal. >>> >>> Margaret >> >> That is definitely true! There are several shops with beautiful opals and >> opal jewelry, but the prices are very high. Unfortunately you have to >> travel quite a way to find the cheaper prices, like Lightening Ridge, White >> Cliffs, and Coober Pedy. >> >> Aloha, Kitty > > If you get in the area of Gladesville (NSW 2111) look up Keith Rigby > Opals (I think you can also find him with a Google search). > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 7 12:54:28 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Sat Feb 7 12:54:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Freilich auction 2001 Message-ID: Folks: Can anyone connect with me someone who attended the Sotheby's auction of J. Freilich's mineral collection in 2001. I'm preparing a talk for my mineral club about acutions, and I want to ask some questions about that day. Paul Gilmore Andover, MA _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 7 12:57:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Feb 7 12:57:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] tashmarine, pezzotaite References: <020520042015.29741.6d47@att.net> Message-ID: <000b01c3ed9a$fa40c0c0$64a5490c@pete> Hi Don, & List, That's a very good point; yes, it's a bit too bad that "pezzotaite" was not given a more, shall we say, melodious-sounding name that perhaps was based on the mineral's appearance or locality. The discoverers, of course, have the right to name a mineral as they choose, and I'm sure that had good reasons for wishing to honor Dr. Federico Pezzotta. But if they had thought more about the material's gem and specimen potential and how much general interest there might be in it, perhaps they would have thought differently, and picked a name that would have, how did Shakespeare say it, "fall trippingly on the tongue"? (I don't often attempt to quote Shakespeare!). Of course, we all accept morganite and kunzite as "good" gem names. I must say, liddicoatite is a bit of a tongue-stumbler; but none of these have the "charm" of tanzanite, or ... well, even labradorite... and everyone seems to have adjusted to "tsavorite", though it's quite a mouthful. Regarding the "tashmarine", from reading the bit about it that's on the web, I've still been wondering where that material falls in the compositional range of diopside--where between traditional "chrome diopside" (deep emerald green, high Cr2O3 content) and "ordinary" diopside (some Fe, low Cr, pale green to yellowish tints). My impression is that "tashmarine" is somewhere in between, with a moderate Cr content. Perhaps this has already been published somewhere, in one of the gemological journals, and I just haven't read it. This'll be my last email exchange for a while, I'm taking off (driving) to Tucson (no laptop with internet access for me), maybe with a few stops here & there in New Mexico on the way to or from. I'll see what kind of neat rocks are to see there! cheers to all, Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] tasmarine? > Speaking of made up-mineral names--sort of--I've heard that there is great > disappointment in the gem trade over the name for the new species pezzotaite. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 7 12:58:23 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jjunkroski) Date: Sat Feb 7 12:58:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Advice on Tucson In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040203212756.01afe848@popmail.libero.it> Message-ID: Can anyone on the list advise a couple of first-timers going to Tucson? We'll be there Fri., Sat., and Sunday and would like to pack in as much as possible. What are the "must-sees"? Thanks, John and Pat From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 7 13:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 7 13:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Advice on Tucson Message-ID: <6a.3b399ae6.2d56adbf@aol.com> Fossils -- the Vagabond Upscale specimens -- Inn Suites, Executive Inn, Convention Center Excellent zeolites and Madagascar materials -- tent area between Vagabond and Executive Inn Wholesale -- Pueblo Inn, Howard Johnsons -- inside and outside. In a message dated 2/7/2004 1:58:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, jpjunk@mc.net writes: Can anyone on the list advise a couple of first-timers going to Tucson? We'll be there Fri., Sat., and Sunday and would like to pack in as much as possible. What are the "must-sees"? Thanks, John and Pat --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 8 06:10:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 8 06:10:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Advice on Tucson Message-ID: From: crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com Steve DeLong/President Crescent Stone Company 888-400-0094 We are a new natural stone and mineralized fossil producer from Minnesotas Iron Range. We have about 10,000#s of rough polished products. They are beautiful Fossilized Stromatolite stone. We just found out about the show too late to get a booth this year. Can you help us with information on what to do as far as where we should go, I heard that Quartzite is a good place to go for rough sales. We have tables of stromatolites also. Sincerely; Steve DeLong --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 8 10:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 8 10:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Freilich auction 2001 Message-ID: <6f.417fbd34.2d57d859@aol.com> In a message dated 2/7/2004 3:55:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, prgilmore@hotmail.com writes: > Can anyone connect with me someone who attended the Sotheby's auction of J. > > Freilich's mineral collection in 2001. I'm preparing a talk for my mineral > club about acutions, and I want to ask some questions about that day. I was there and have lots of notes on the auction. John Betts http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 8 14:04:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:04:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] small stones Message-ID: <8F46531C-5A82-11D8-A233-000393A96092@mac.com> i need to know how much my many small stones weigh, i guess i need to buy a scale, anyone know a good place to buy a scale for 1-3 carat stones? ~KM Virtue is persecuted more by the wicked than it is loved by the good. - Buddha --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 8 14:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] small stones References: <8F46531C-5A82-11D8-A233-000393A96092@mac.com> Message-ID: <00a101c3ee94$55704f20$3fb2950c@jessie> I got a good accurate scale that handles that range (+/- 0.1 c from 0 to 50 c) from "Alpha" company. You might see what they have now. Mel Albright From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 8 19:50:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Feb 8 19:50:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] small stones In-Reply-To: <00a101c3ee94$55704f20$3fb2950c@jessie> References: <8F46531C-5A82-11D8-A233-000393A96092@mac.com> <00a101c3ee94$55704f20$3fb2950c@jessie> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040208194848.01eeb758@mail.spiritone.com> Tanita is the best known brand of carat scale and mine does grams and carats ... At 02:38 PM 2/8/2004, you wrote: >I got a good accurate scale that handles that range (+/- 0.1 c from 0 to 50 >c) from "Alpha" company. You might see what they have now. > >Mel Albright > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 9 07:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dragonfly) Date: Mon Feb 9 07:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Agate Slices needed Message-ID: <40222D0A.000003.00372@odonata> Hello!=0D I need agate slices for craft projects and wondered where I could get a g= ood deal on them. My last supplier just passed on, and I need to order some pretty quick. =0D I need THIN slices, 1/8" preferred, around 4"-6" long. Naturals mostly, b= ut a few enhanced or dyed would be ok. Ovals (or free forms), not disks.=0D =0D I was paying $8.50 a dozen for what I am describing, and I am hoping some= one can point me to a good place for a small but regular retail customer...=0D =0D Thanks! NOSPAModonata@hotpop.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 9 08:20:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 9 08:20:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Agate Slices needed Message-ID: <12d.3ab86da9.2d590cf6@aol.com> Hello, Try http://vrockshop.com/ 7061 SUNSET STRIP AVE NW NORTH CANTON, OHIO 44720 Phone: 330-494-1759 FAX 330-494-1432 933 NORTH MAIN AVE. TUCSON, ARIZONA 85705 Phone: 520-882-8886 FAX 520-882-2971 E-mail: Ohio@vrockshop.com or Tucson@vrockshop.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 10 06:21:08 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Feb 10 06:21:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service References: <181.26410614.2d53fc4d@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c3efe0$07931ba0$295204d0@jim> My appoach to the problem has been to use a local ISP for internet connection, since they are usually a lot cheaper and more responsive to their customers. I then have a Yahoo account for my E-mail. Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Internet service > Is your internet service as bad as mine. I have AOL (Always Off Line) and > it's the pits. Funny thing...Never once have they ever had any problems with > their service. The fault is always with YOUR maching. Even if every one in the > state is having the same problem......than everyone in the state must be having > problems with THEIR machines!!! Is their any good internet service out > there??? > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 10 12:56:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Tue Feb 10 12:56:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? References: Message-ID: <00b601c3f018$2ffbfa70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> Very true Bill. I just returned from a long stay at this years shows and I'm convinced that most of the Australian opal dealers are in Tucson. Prices are very competitive and the opal needs to be sold to pay for the trip. Tomorrow and Thursday the prices on a lot of material will nose dive to avoid storage or shipping costs, though the best opal is either gone or will be offered another day. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sydney opal dealers? > Thanks to all who gave me advice on Sydney opal dealers. It occurs to me > that my best advice to my friend is to stop off in Tucson on the way down > under for the best opal deals. > > Best wishes - Bill Cordua From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 01:32:32 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 11 01:32:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <00b601c3f018$2ffbfa70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> Message-ID: "Lead sulfide -- also known by its mineral name, galena -- is a naturally occurring mineral found in Missouri, other parts of the world, and now . . . other parts of the solar system. That's because recent thermodynamic calculations by researchers at Washington University in St. Louis provide plausible evidence that "heavy metal snow," which blankets the surface of upper altitude Venusian rocks, is composed of both lead and bismuth sulfides." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040210074951.htm I thought this might be interesting to some list members. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 01:52:21 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Feb 11 01:52:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID Message-ID: <002101c3f041$e8530040$a88c4c0c@fekib> If any member has experience with the minerals from Zacatecas (Sabinas = Mine), could you please give me a shout? Am having trouble with a = specimen ID. Thanks very much...........Larry Rush "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play,=20 but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 05:41:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Wed Feb 11 05:41:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] David Shannon minerals In-Reply-To: <7BB64E22-3965-11D8-B260-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> References: <7BB64E22-3965-11D8-B260-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: List members, Last month we heard that David Shannon, well known mineral dealer, had died and I was very concerned about the fate of his business, which was important to me as a good source of supply for the systematic mineral collecting - at an affordable price - and as a source of collection supplies. I depended on him for specimen boxes, especially the miniature boxes. I also found him to be a source of many of the 'ugly' mineral specimens that have no aesthetic appeal, but are interesting as minerals. I ultimately called the business and inquired about the future. David Shannon Minerals will continue as before, under the management of Michael and Colleen Shannon. Michael indicated they will continue to supply minerals and supplies as before. I see this as an important resource for the collector who is as interested in mineral study and for the beginning mineral collector. The Shannon business has usually carried a stock of hundreds of different species of minerals at all times. There are many mineral dealers who serve the high end market, so it is a relief to see the continuation of a business with a different business orientation. Tom Yancey From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 06:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 11 06:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID References: <002101c3f041$e8530040$a88c4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <003e01c3f0a6$36b86f40$5f0fbc42@bay.chartermi.net> Dennis Beals from XTAL buys at Zacatecas regularly and is probably a good contact. he is at Tucson... you can find his web page and contact him. Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID If any member has experience with the minerals from Zacatecas (Sabinas Mine), could you please give me a shout? Am having trouble with a specimen ID. Thanks very much...........Larry Rush "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 06:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Wed Feb 11 06:07:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] David Shannon minerals References: <7BB64E22-3965-11D8-B260-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <004901c3f0a6$762242a0$5f0fbc42@bay.chartermi.net> As follow up from Tucson, Michael will be working more closely with Mathias from Mikon. Mathias and David worked together quite closely before so this will not be too much of a change. Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Yancey" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] David Shannon minerals > List members, > > Last month we heard that David Shannon, well known mineral dealer, > had died and I was very concerned about the fate of his business, > which was important to me as a good source of supply for the > systematic mineral collecting - at an affordable price - and as a > source of collection supplies. I depended on him for specimen boxes, > especially the miniature boxes. I also found him to be a source of > many of the 'ugly' mineral specimens that have no aesthetic appeal, > but are interesting as minerals. > > I ultimately called the business and inquired about the future. David > Shannon Minerals will continue as before, under the management of > Michael and Colleen Shannon. Michael indicated they will continue to > supply minerals and supplies as before. I see this as an important > resource for the collector who is as interested in mineral study and > for the beginning mineral collector. The Shannon business has usually > carried a stock of hundreds of different species of minerals at all > times. There are many mineral dealers who serve the high end market, > so it is a relief to see the continuation of a business with a > different business orientation. > > Tom Yancey > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 08:49:17 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:49:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: References: <00b601c3f018$2ffbfa70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040211084715.01ef2c38@mail.spiritone.com> And they have a radar image of the words "All your base belong to us" written in the heavy metal snow but they aren't releasing it :) At 04:10 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote: >"Lead sulfide -- also known by its mineral name, galena -- is a naturally >occurring mineral found in Missouri, other parts of the world, and now . . . >other parts of the solar system. That's because recent thermodynamic >calculations by researchers at Washington University in St. Louis provide >plausible evidence that "heavy metal snow," which blankets the surface of >upper altitude Venusian rocks, is composed of both lead and bismuth >sulfides." > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040210074951.htm > >I thought this might be interesting to some list members. > >Bryan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 09:10:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 11 09:10:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040211084715.01ef2c38@mail.spiritone.com> References: <00b601c3f018$2ffbfa70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> <6.0.1.1.2.20040211084715.01ef2c38@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040211090804.01f36008@mail.spiritone.com> Whoops that was supposed to be All your base ARE belong to us. Only half a cup of coffee when I wrote that lol. At 08:48 AM 2/11/2004, you wrote: >And they have a radar image of the words "All your base belong to us" >written in the heavy metal snow but they aren't releasing it :) Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 09:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Feb 11 09:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040211084715.01ef2c38@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: And remember, if you go to Venus sometime in the future, please, please.... don't eat the yellow heavy metal snow! ;-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:49 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide And they have a radar image of the words "All your base belong to us" written in the heavy metal snow but they aren't releasing it :) At 04:10 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote: >"Lead sulfide -- also known by its mineral name, galena -- is a naturally >occurring mineral found in Missouri, other parts of the world, and now . . . >other parts of the solar system. That's because recent thermodynamic >calculations by researchers at Washington University in St. Louis provide >plausible evidence that "heavy metal snow," which blankets the surface of >upper altitude Venusian rocks, is composed of both lead and bismuth >sulfides." > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040210074951.htm > >I thought this might be interesting to some list members. > >Bryan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 10:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide References: Message-ID: <004201c3f0c9$949150f0$0cae77d5@axel> Throw bricks at me instead of snowballs, please... Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide > And remember, if you go to Venus sometime in the future, please, please.... > don't eat the yellow heavy metal snow! ;-) > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:49 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide > > > And they have a radar image of the words "All your base belong to us" > written in the heavy metal snow but they aren't releasing it :) > > At 04:10 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote: > >"Lead sulfide -- also known by its mineral name, galena -- is a naturally > >occurring mineral found in Missouri, other parts of the world, and now . . > . > >other parts of the solar system. That's because recent thermodynamic > >calculations by researchers at Washington University in St. Louis provide > >plausible evidence that "heavy metal snow," which blankets the surface of > >upper altitude Venusian rocks, is composed of both lead and bismuth > >sulfides." > > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040210074951.htm > > > >I thought this might be interesting to some list members. > > > >Bryan > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 10:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide Message-ID: <021120041817.9766.65ef@att.net> Imagine trying to build a snow fort out of THAT. And trying to go sledding, or skiing. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 10:46:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:46:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <021120041817.9766.65ef@att.net> Message-ID: I'm not supprised at all, in what other way than in lead igloo's could the Venussians survive the strong solar radiation?......... Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:17 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide Imagine trying to build a snow fort out of THAT. And trying to go sledding, or skiing. Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 15:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] 50th Tucson Gem and Mineral Show : come visit References: <7BB64E22-3965-11D8-B260-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <004901c3f0a6$762242a0$5f0fbc42@bay.chartermi.net> Message-ID: <009f01c3f0f3$dfced860$25d876d5@pandora.be> Hi all, Tomorrow will be the first day of the 50th Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. Gold being the theme of the show, you don't want to miss the chance of seeing the most incredible gold specimens ever found... While there, feel free to give our boot a look as well. Steve Perry will have gem crystal specimens from all kinds of usual and unusual locations, neptunite and benitoite (directly from the source), and other esthetic specimens from classic locations ... I (Herwig Pelckmans) will have both rare and classic minerals from worldwide locations, with a focus on phosphates and European minerals, all at very fair prices. You'll find us in aisle 4 of the Main Building (close to the west wall). Hope to see you there !!!! Sincerely, Herwig from Belgium From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 11 22:58:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Feb 11 22:58:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning of gypsum Message-ID: <000401c3f134$0b1dc680$c64227c4@horstspc> Hi List, I have been approached by some persons who have some hand imprints (of celebrities) in a Plaster of Paris (gypsum) cast. These casts are now to be placed in an important position of a building, but the casts have now got some dirt on them. The question arises, how to get rid of this dirt, without damaging the imprints. Any suggestions would be welcome. Horst From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 05:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Thu Feb 12 05:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning of gypsum References: <000401c3f134$0b1dc680$c64227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <004601c3f167$24800100$5f0fbc42@bay.chartermi.net> Suggestion for cleaning: Use a high pressure water gun... substitute mild non-aqueous solvent for water. Be sure to lower setting on water gun if adjustable. Also, make up a few practice casts to practice on in advance. Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Windisch" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning of gypsum > Hi List, > > I have been approached by some persons who have some hand imprints (of > celebrities) in a Plaster of Paris (gypsum) cast. These casts are now to be > placed in an important position of a building, but the casts have now got > some dirt on them. The question arises, how to get rid of this dirt, without > damaging the imprints. Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Horst > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 07:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jbacko) Date: Thu Feb 12 07:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040211090804.01f36008@mail.spiritone.com> References: <00b601c3f018$2ffbfa70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> <6.0.1.1.2.20040211084715.01ef2c38@mail.spiritone.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040211090804.01f36008@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <402B9E07.5010905@hal-pc.org> Tim Fisher wrote: > Whoops that was supposed to be All your base ARE belong to us. Only > half a cup of coffee when I wrote that lol. Well, I don't know... I guess they can have mine if they can find it. It's been missing for some time now...both of it. jb From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 08:43:39 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Feb 12 08:43:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <402B9E07.5010905@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <003901c3f187$0b0b6140$6501a8c0@moose> See: http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/index.shtml Arf Arf. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of jbacko > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:39 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide > > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > Whoops that was supposed to be All your base ARE belong to us. Only > > half a cup of coffee when I wrote that lol. > > Well, I don't know... I guess they can have mine if they can find it. > It's been missing for some time now...both of it. > > jb > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rock> hounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 09:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Feb 12 09:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide In-Reply-To: <003901c3f187$0b0b6140$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040212173638.D3EA4EBC7A4@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:41 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide See: http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/index.shtml Arf Arf. GcB And another arf from me! Margaret > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of jbacko > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:39 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Its snowing: Lead Sulfide > > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > Whoops that was supposed to be All your base ARE belong to us. Only > > half a cup of coffee when I wrote that lol. > > Well, I don't know... I guess they can have mine if they can find it. > It's been missing for some time now...both of it. > > jb > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rock> hounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 11:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AYB (Off Topic!) In-Reply-To: <003901c3f187$0b0b6140$6501a8c0@moose> References: <402B9E07.5010905@hal-pc.org> <003901c3f187$0b0b6140$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040212110416.01ef1ca8@mail.spiritone.com> It's almost embarrassing to admit that I PLAYED the arcade AND Sega games :)) TAKE OFF EVERY 'ZIG'!! At 08:41 AM 2/12/2004, you wrote: >See: > >http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/index.shtml > >Arf Arf. > >GcB > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 12:01:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (herwig pelckmans) Date: Thu Feb 12 12:01:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: 50th Tucson Gem and Mineral Show : benitoite gemstones Message-ID: <003001c3f1a2$f4b7fb80$25d876d5@pandora.be> In our booth one of the largest cut benitoite gemstones will be on display : a 5 carats beauty!! It is one of the largest benitoite gemstones ever cut, and what is even more incredible : Rick found a gemmy benitoite crystal while etching the mine run from the Benitoite Gem Mine (at 22 dollars a pound, the rock cost him something like 20 dollars). The price of this unique giant cut benitoite gemstone is appraised "a little bit higher"... ;-) Cheers, Herwig ----- Original Message ----- From: "herwig pelckmans" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: 50th Tucson Gem and Mineral Show : come visit > Hi all, > > Tomorrow will be the first day of the 50th Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. > Gold being the theme of the show, you don't want to miss the chance of > seeing the most incredible gold specimens ever found... > While there, feel free to give our boot a look as well. > > Steve Perry will have gem crystal specimens from all kinds of usual and > unusual locations, neptunite and benitoite (directly from the source), > and other esthetic specimens from classic locations ... > > I (Herwig Pelckmans) will have both rare and classic minerals from > worldwide locations, with a focus on phosphates and European minerals, > all at very fair prices. > > You'll find us in aisle 4 of the Main Building (close to the west > wall). > > Hope to see you there !!!! > > Sincerely, Herwig from Belgium > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 14:20:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:20:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning of gypsum Message-ID: <6C3D16FA.505D4193.02180873@aol.com> Make sure the non-aqueous material is not flammable. A fine mist of a flammable material coming out of a high pressure gun could be a flame thrower. Gene Hartstein In a message dated 2/12/2004 7:52:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Keith Q. Hayes" writes: >Suggestion for cleaning:  Use a high pressure water gun... substitute mild >non-aqueous solvent for water.  Be sure to lower setting on water gun if >adjustable.  Also, make up a few practice casts to practice on in advance. > >Keith Q. Hayes >KQ's Minerals >kqhayes@chartermi.net >www.kqminerals.com >3705 Fuller Drive >Midland, MI 48642 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Horst Windisch" >To: "rockhounds" >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:35 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning of gypsum > > >> Hi List, >> >> I have been approached by some persons who have some hand imprints (of >> celebrities) in a Plaster of Paris (gypsum) cast. These casts are now to >be >> placed in an important position of a building, but the casts have now got >> some dirt on them. The question arises, how to get rid of this dirt, >without >> damaging the imprints. Any suggestions would be welcome. >> >> Horst >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 15:16:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 12 15:16:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] cleaning gypsum Message-ID: <20040212.170800.-764649.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> I'm not sure about plaster casts, but I was going to try this the next time I needed to clean a gypsum crystal. Since calcium sulfate is only slightly soluble in water, I was going to make a saturated of solution of calcium sulfate and water, maybe add a bit of soap & use that to clean mud off of gypsum crystals. What do you all think about doing that? Ken Vaisvil kjvgorock@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 12 16:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Feb 12 16:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemstone articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ACS has two or three articles on diamonds and other gemstones in this issue. The diamond article gets somewhat more technical near the end but is a good read: http://pubs.acs.org/cen/coverstory/8205/8205diamonds.html Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 10:13:44 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:13:44 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] diamonds in my sleep Message-ID: Woke up about 4 am this morning and couldn't get back to sleep, so I groggily flipped through the channels on my television. The PBS network had a show called Nature. This particular episode was about diamonds. A great deal of it discussed the Argyle Diamond Mine which (if I heard correctly from the show) is now the largest diamond producer in the world. They showed some incredibly beautiful red diamonds...wow! I think that impressed me the most. I really enjoyed the show. I believe this link will tell you more: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/diamonds/index.html I can't guarantee it, but I think that this show will be aired again (depending on where you are). I think it will be shown in my area again Saturday morning. -Ron http://www.hammerron.com/minerals --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 10:35:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Willie Steyn) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:35:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Message-ID: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Hi List I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for = specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have = complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a = regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is = there any other system that we can use in place of paypal Thanks Willie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 10:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Message-ID: <1ed.18f7dbbe.2d5e7577@aol.com> Willie: I've only used paypal to receive money (perhaps about five times) for some ebay transactions. I've never had a problem yet In a message dated 2/13/2004 1:36:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, erongo@mweb.co.za writes: Hi List I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal Thanks Willie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 10:50:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:50:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <005f01c3f263$687ccf80$b605efd1@oemcomputer> Haven't had a single problem with PayPal since I started using it. Your alternative is to sign contracts with all of the major credit card companies, paying them for the swipe machine and jumping through their security hoops. No thanks says I. Checks, money orders, travellers checks, bank transfers, and Western Union still work fine but are more expensive and/or take longer. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Steyn" To: Sent: February 13, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Hi List I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal Thanks Willie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 10:51:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:51:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <000a01c3f262$34ecb230$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> My experience with Paypal has been as a purchaser. After paying for a cut stone purchase via eBay, the vendor took my money (and many other folk's payments) and skipped town. Paypal investigated and found the fellow had indeed stiffed me and many others. Their response was to tell me to try to get the cash back from eBay - they were not responsible. As eBay was the parent company of Paypal, this seemed to be a case of corporate weaseling. I sent all the correspondence to the folks at Master Card and received a quick credit from them for the rip off. I now use credit cards for internet purchases. If a vendor can't accept the credit card I probably don't really need the item. I certainly don't need Paypal! John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona > I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal > Thanks > Willie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 11:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal In-Reply-To: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> References: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040213105648.01f1da48@mail.spiritone.com> Oh boy this is gonna be a hot one lol. I have used them since they were a teeny tiny little outfit, and never once have they been responsible for messing up a transaction. That would be around 1,000+ transactions. They did have problems with foreign accounts but those seem to have disappeared. Therefore I would guess that it is your suppliers who are mistaken, or perhaps you yourself didn't do something right. I do know that buyers have problems paying if they don't link their bank account to PayPal; or at least I have been told that. There is always the electronic check which seems to work for those folks albeit a bit slowly. And hundreds of thousands of people who sell on the net can't afford those outrageous fees, restrictions, and requirements that all the credit card companies impose, as was pointed out by another poster. I approached VISA once and they wanted to send somebody to my house to view my "storefront" before granting me the privilege of paying them $50/month PLUS 7.5% per transaction. Yeah right - I am not one of PT Barnum's suckers. Long Live PayPal (even if they have sold their mortal souls to those hellspawn at E#%$^Bay). At 10:33 AM 2/13/2004, you wrote: >Hi List > >I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for >specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have >complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a >regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is >there any other system that we can use in place of paypal >Thanks > Willie Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 11:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal In-Reply-To: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: http://www.paypalsucks.com/ I will never, ever, EVER do business with a company this slimy. Plus, they act like a bank, with none of the guarantees or Federal protections of a bank. I would personally avoid them like the plague. Just my 0.01975869 cents (for extremely large values of two cents). a. > Hi List > > I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal > Thanks > Willie > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 11:15:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:15:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Message-ID: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> As a frequent user of E-Bay, I use PayPal all the time. It is generally very dependable. However, several times they have NOT sent me an e-mail when a customer has paid. Fortunately, I learned to check the PayPal account status frequently and have avoided mistakes with customers in those cases where an e-mail was not sent. However, I had one very unfortunate case where a person different from the original purchaser paid me for an item. I did not think the original purchaser had paid me and badgered the customer until I got a very angry e-mail back WITH the PayPal payment number. There are some aspects of PayPal to be wary of. John Scully --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 11:40:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:40:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: Message-ID: <001201c3f269$2f2975c0$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> Spot on Aaron. The site confirms my experience with the corporation. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ > > I will never, ever, EVER do business with a company this slimy. Plus, they > act like a bank, with none of the guarantees or Federal protections of a > bank. I would personally avoid them like the plague. > > Just my 0.01975869 cents (for extremely large values of two cents). > > a. > > > > Hi List > > > > I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal > > Thanks > > Willie > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > -- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 12:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Feb 13 12:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <001501c3f265$c4bf5cc0$5d5204d0@jim> I've used PayPal to both receive and send payments for about 2 years now. I haven't had any problems. It's certainly easier and cheaper than the major credit cards. I, as a very small business, can't afford Visa, etc. The only glitch I can recall was with one customer in Europe (Italy, I think) who said that PayPal wasn't available there, although PayPals website said it was. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Steyn" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Hi List I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal Thanks Willie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 12:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Fri Feb 13 12:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Message-ID: <16620836.1076702829655.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> I, too, have used PayPal hundreds of times over the past few years. All transactions were without a problem. If you're worried, make your PayPal payment via a credit card (Visa or MD). Then you can do a chargeback if you do not receive the product. As to accepting credit cards. I went with a "third party" that did all the leg work for me in getting set-up to accept credit cards (again Visa and MC) for my business. It cost (about 3 years ago) about $100 dollars for this service, including the cost of the "knuckle buster". I "only" pay ~4% per transaction + a $10 per month service charge. I have no store front, only do shows and web sales. The difference in sales, especially at shows, definitely makes it worthwhile. I did have to do an "onsite" inspection. They sent a rep out to my home. He wanted to see that that was my true address (even took a picture as proof!) and wanted to see the type merchandise that I sell. He looked at a couple of flats of minerals and that was it. It took about 10 minutes. I offered to show him pics of my booth setup at show but he said that he had all that he needed. Twenty four hours later I was accepting credit cards. Everything took less than 10 day. John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Fisher Sent: Feb 13, 2004 2:08 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal Oh boy this is gonna be a hot one lol. I have used them since they were a teeny tiny little outfit, and never once have they been responsible for messing up a transaction. That would be around 1,000+ transactions. They did have problems with foreign accounts but those seem to have disappeared. Therefore I would guess that it is your suppliers who are mistaken, or perhaps you yourself didn't do something right. I do know that buyers have problems paying if they don't link their bank account to PayPal; or at least I have been told that. There is always the electronic check which seems to work for those folks albeit a bit slowly. And hundreds of thousands of people who sell on the net can't afford those outrageous fees, restrictions, and requirements that all the credit card companies impose, as was pointed out by another poster. I approached VISA once and they wanted to send somebody to my house to view my "storefront" before granting me the privilege of paying them $50/month PLUS 7.5% per transaction. Yeah right - I am not one of PT Barnum's suckers. Long Live PayPal (even if they have sold their mortal souls to those hellspawn at E#%$^Bay). At 10:33 AM 2/13/2004, you wrote: >Hi List > >I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for >specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have >complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a >regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is >there any other system that we can use in place of paypal >Thanks > Willie Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 12:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Fri Feb 13 12:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Merchant Accounts (was Paypal) References: <16620836.1076702829655.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006901c3f270$b8ba6c70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> > . . . As to accepting credit cards. I went with a "third party" that did all the > leg work for me in getting set-up to accept credit cards (again Visa and > MC) for my business. It cost (about 3 years ago) about $100 dollars for > this service, including the cost of the "knuckle buster". I "only" pay > ~4% per transaction + a $10 per month service charge. I have no store > front, only do shows and web sales. The difference in sales, especially at > shows, definitely makes it worthwhile. > John Teague > Volunteer Gems A very good point John. I know my sales would improve at shows with the ability to take credit cards. At the Tucson shows I talked with a vendor who makes custom jeweler's tools. His son recently set him up with a merchant account so he can take VISA and MasterCard. He found that American Express takes too big a cut and is not necessary. After some searching he found the best deal through COSTCO. He has no more of a store front than I do and has been pleased with the sales results, especially with phone sales from around the US. I had a merchant account 25 years ago when I ran an Indian Art side business. I would have made few sales without it. I talked with several small vendors while at the Tucson shows last week and they reported few problems with simply accepting the card transactions during the day and then getting the authorization numbers at night. No need for the fancy cell phone units. They just swiped the card in the old fashioned manual machine. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 13:04:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Fri Feb 13 13:04:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Merchant Accounts (was Paypal) In-Reply-To: <006901c3f270$b8ba6c70$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> References: <16620836.1076702829655.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040213155952.00bed008@pop.megalink.net> At 01:34 PM 2/13/2004 -0700, you wrote: I used pay-pal for two years, did not have a problem. Got scared after going to a site, pay-pal warning.com?, and now take bank check, personal check, and money orders. BTW I sell mostly old books, ephemera, and the occasional copy of History of Mt. Mica ):>.... with best wishes, Duane From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 15:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Feb 13 15:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> I, too, have had a few instances of not getting an E-mail from PayPal when a customer has paid. I attributed it to my ISP blocking the message as spam. Now I'm not so sure... Jim Daly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > As a frequent user of E-Bay, I use PayPal all the time. It is generally very > dependable. However, several times they have NOT sent me an e-mail when a > customer has paid. Fortunately, I learned to check the PayPal account status > frequently and have avoided mistakes with customers in those cases where an > e-mail was not sent. However, I had one very unfortunate case where a person > different from the original purchaser paid me for an item. I did not think the > original purchaser had paid me and badgered the customer until I got a very > angry e-mail back WITH the PayPal payment number. There are some aspects of > PayPal to be wary of. > > John Scully > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 19:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal In-Reply-To: <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> Jim, I have asked my ISP and they said if the email triggers their spam filters, which is all too easy to do, it gets blocked. Also, emails do get lost in the e-vapor, especially from MASS mailings (those from PayPal are about the biggest mass mailings besides Ebay that I can think of). Millions go out a day & I bet that a very small percentage never reach their legitimate recipients. I can recall about 3 that haven't reached me since 2000. And on those "Paypal sucks" and similar sites: each and every large corporation in this country has one or more of those sites dedicated to them. How many exist for Ebay? A dozen? Two dozen? If you believed every one you would sit in your chair frozen to PBS your whole life and not move for fear of being struck down dead by corporate America. Of course some people have had bad experiences with PayPal. And Ebay. And Dell. And McDonalds. And Corp X. So they set up a bashing site and viola! thousands of posts by others who have had bad experiences (or imagine they have, or are just plain loonies). Whoop de doo. I say poo on the poo-pooers. Go get a free lawyer and file a lawsuit; it will get you a heck of a lot farther than screaming your lungs out on one of those sites. I noticed there is one against PayPal, and I hope those people get their money back. Looks like one was owed $27.00 lol. And thanks for the info on accepting Visa and MC. It appears that a lot has changed since the pre-Paypal days. Competition is a beautiful thing :) At 03:09 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote: >I, too, have had a few instances of not getting an E-mail from PayPal when a >customer has paid. I attributed it to my ISP blocking the message as spam. >Now I'm not so sure... >Jim Daly >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:14 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > > > > As a frequent user of E-Bay, I use PayPal all the time. It is generally >very > > dependable. However, several times they have NOT sent me an e-mail when a > > customer has paid. Fortunately, I learned to check the PayPal account >status > > frequently and have avoided mistakes with customers in those cases where >an > > e-mail was not sent. However, I had one very unfortunate case where a >person > > different from the original purchaser paid me for an item. I did not >think the > > original purchaser had paid me and badgered the customer until I got a >very > > angry e-mail back WITH the PayPal payment number. There are some aspects >of > > PayPal to be wary of. > > > > John Scully > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 20:12:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 13 20:12:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Monkey bashes obsidian! Film at 11 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040213200408.01f61a88@mail.spiritone.com> I always knew the Brits were crazy but this one takes the cake lol. The BBC purchased some black obsidian from me and gave it to a rhesus monkey to have his way with for a show called "Wildlife On One". It looks like it is trying to get some honey from a container, although how they expected it to do that with a chunk of obsidian is anybody's guess. Anyway I have posted a short video to my site for your amusement. They just bought some more pieces for another try. I hope it goes better than this one lol. The video can be accessed from http://orerockon.com/rockhome.htm Their show page is: Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 13 23:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Willie Steyn) Date: Fri Feb 13 23:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <001101c3f2cc$4ea481c0$fcbd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Thanks to everybody who had contributed to this issue. I`m none the wiser, some had good experiences and some not. For me it just boils down to one thing...if we are not 100% sure that the payment is going to reach the other party why take a chance. It has been the first time that paypal had let me down in about 30 transactions and I measure it against my bank. If my bank did not pay a debit order of mine what would my reaction have been? Thanks to everybody. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > Jim, I have asked my ISP and they said if the email triggers their spam > filters, which is all too easy to do, it gets blocked. Also, emails do get > lost in the e-vapor, especially from MASS mailings (those from PayPal are > about the biggest mass mailings besides Ebay that I can think of). Millions > go out a day & I bet that a very small percentage never reach their > legitimate recipients. I can recall about 3 that haven't reached me since > 2000. > > And on those "Paypal sucks" and similar sites: each and every large > corporation in this country has one or more of those sites dedicated to > them. How many exist for Ebay? A dozen? Two dozen? If you believed every > one you would sit in your chair frozen to PBS your whole life and not move > for fear of being struck down dead by corporate America. Of course some > people have had bad experiences with PayPal. And Ebay. And Dell. And > McDonalds. And Corp X. So they set up a bashing site and viola! thousands > of posts by others who have had bad experiences (or imagine they have, or > are just plain loonies). Whoop de doo. I say poo on the poo-pooers. Go get > a free lawyer and file a lawsuit; it will get you a heck of a lot farther > than screaming your lungs out on one of those sites. I noticed there is one > against PayPal, and I hope those people get their money back. Looks like > one was owed $27.00 lol. > > And thanks for the info on accepting Visa and MC. It appears that a lot has > changed since the pre-Paypal days. Competition is a beautiful thing :) > > At 03:09 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote: > >I, too, have had a few instances of not getting an E-mail from PayPal when a > >customer has paid. I attributed it to my ISP blocking the message as spam. > >Now I'm not so sure... > >Jim Daly > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > > > > > > > As a frequent user of E-Bay, I use PayPal all the time. It is generally > >very > > > dependable. However, several times they have NOT sent me an e-mail when a > > > customer has paid. Fortunately, I learned to check the PayPal account > >status > > > frequently and have avoided mistakes with customers in those cases where > >an > > > e-mail was not sent. However, I had one very unfortunate case where a > >person > > > different from the original purchaser paid me for an item. I did not > >think the > > > original purchaser had paid me and badgered the customer until I got a > >very > > > angry e-mail back WITH the PayPal payment number. There are some aspects > >of > > > PayPal to be wary of. > > > > > > John Scully > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 00:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chris Auer) Date: Sat Feb 14 00:07:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> <001101c3f2cc$4ea481c0$fcbd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <000901c3f2d1$3ba71c40$a917bd51@chris> Hi, I also had some several hundred Paypal transactions without any problems. Most times I get money. I`m withdrawing to my local bank as often as a higher $ is on my account as I trust my bank more than Paypal. Withdrawing also is without any problems and lasts 2-3 working days. Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Steyn" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > Thanks to everybody who had contributed to this issue. I`m none the wiser, > some had good experiences and some not. For me it just boils down to one > thing...if we are not 100% sure that the payment is going to reach the other > party why take a chance. > It has been the first time that paypal had let me down in about 30 > transactions and I measure it against my bank. If my bank did not pay a > debit order of mine what would my reaction have been? > Thanks to everybody. > Willie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > > > > Jim, I have asked my ISP and they said if the email triggers their spam > > filters, which is all too easy to do, it gets blocked. Also, emails do get > > lost in the e-vapor, especially from MASS mailings (those from PayPal are > > about the biggest mass mailings besides Ebay that I can think of). > Millions > > go out a day & I bet that a very small percentage never reach their > > legitimate recipients. I can recall about 3 that haven't reached me since > > 2000. > > > > And on those "Paypal sucks" and similar sites: each and every large > > corporation in this country has one or more of those sites dedicated to > > them. How many exist for Ebay? A dozen? Two dozen? If you believed every > > one you would sit in your chair frozen to PBS your whole life and not move > > for fear of being struck down dead by corporate America. Of course some > > people have had bad experiences with PayPal. And Ebay. And Dell. And > > McDonalds. And Corp X. So they set up a bashing site and viola! thousands > > of posts by others who have had bad experiences (or imagine they have, or > > are just plain loonies). Whoop de doo. I say poo on the poo-pooers. Go get > > a free lawyer and file a lawsuit; it will get you a heck of a lot farther > > than screaming your lungs out on one of those sites. I noticed there is > one > > against PayPal, and I hope those people get their money back. Looks like > > one was owed $27.00 lol. > > > > And thanks for the info on accepting Visa and MC. It appears that a lot > has > > changed since the pre-Paypal days. Competition is a beautiful thing :) > > > > At 03:09 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote: > > >I, too, have had a few instances of not getting an E-mail from PayPal > when a > > >customer has paid. I attributed it to my ISP blocking the message as > spam. > > >Now I'm not so sure... > > >Jim Daly > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:14 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > > > > > > > > > > As a frequent user of E-Bay, I use PayPal all the time. It is > generally > > >very > > > > dependable. However, several times they have NOT sent me an e-mail > when a > > > > customer has paid. Fortunately, I learned to check the PayPal account > > >status > > > > frequently and have avoided mistakes with customers in those cases > where > > >an > > > > e-mail was not sent. However, I had one very unfortunate case where a > > >person > > > > different from the original purchaser paid me for an item. I did not > > >think the > > > > original purchaser had paid me and badgered the customer until I got a > > >very > > > > angry e-mail back WITH the PayPal payment number. There are some > aspects > > >of > > > > PayPal to be wary of. > > > > > > > > John Scully > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > multipart/alternative > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > text/html > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 00:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sat Feb 14 00:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal In-Reply-To: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> References: <000e01c3f25f$e6b5b9b0$e1bd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040214095627.01b72e70@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, I am using PayPAl from 2000 to buy and pay and had no problem. Check if the email address that have been used as recipient of the money was correct, if not you never get that money and the money is returned to the sender with an email of error. Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 04:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Joe Mulvey) Date: Sat Feb 14 04:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco Message-ID: <20040214122712.24515.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Respected List, Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful specimens, too! What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much more valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing the area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does anyone have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or the history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? As always, you all rock! Joe --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 05:41:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chris Auer) Date: Sat Feb 14 05:41:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco References: <20040214122712.24515.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c3f2ff$de3feee0$a917bd51@chris> Hi, The german magazine Lapis brought a very informative articel about Mibladen, I think it was January 2004. Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Mulvey" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > Respected List, > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful specimens, too! > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much more valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing the area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does anyone have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or the history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > As always, you all rock! > Joe > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 06:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Feb 14 06:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco In-Reply-To: <20040214122712.24515.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, It is funny to see that minerals from Morocco can be seen at virtually all mineral fares in in every rockshop (at least here in Europe). At the same time it is very hard to find any background information about geology and history of Moroccan localities. Only very recently a German book called MAROKKO, about Moroccan minerals and fossils came on the market. It was published by Bode and is in the German language. The book is about 550 pages and about A4 size. It is full of pictures of minerals and mines, maps and detailed descriptions. Of course Mibladen is also covered in a separete 30 page chapter. I'm not going to translate it for you :-) But in a nutshell some background about Mibladen: HISTORY Mining took place in Mibladen prior to 1926. But between 1926 and 1947 about 600 small shafts where operated in the area. The big boom lasted until the early 50's. After that the mine was still operated, but mainly for mining mineral specimen! GEOLOGY Mibladen is a stratiform replacement deposit in Liassic sedimentary rocks (dolomite ans sandstone). It is closely related to the neighboring deposits of Aouli and Zeida, but there are differences. Aouli and Zeida are not stratiform and located in triassic rocks MINERALOGY Aragonite, barite, calcite, cerussite, chalcopyrite, coronadite, galena, minium, paralaurionite, phosgenite, pyrite, pyromorphite, quartz and vanadinite Hope this helps a bit. If you master German you should really try to get the Morocco book. It does not list ALL Moroccan localities, but defenitely the famous ones and many others. The chapters about Bou Azzer, Touissit, Mibladen and Tachgagalt are very informative for the systematic collector. Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Joe Mulvey Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco Respected List, Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful specimens, too! What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much more valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing the area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does anyone have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or the history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? As always, you all rock! Joe --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 07:41:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 14 07:41:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco References: Message-ID: <1c8a01c3f311$092f6340$83cd94d1@remains> as an aside.....no real trilobite collecting goes on in Midelt or Mibladen.....I am sure you may be able to find material there if you looked hard enough, but the vast majority of all trilos come from areas like Alnif..... if a trilobite has a locality label of Mibladen, they mean the shop!! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > Hi Joe, > > It is funny to see that minerals from Morocco can be seen at virtually all > mineral fares in in every rockshop (at least here in Europe). At the same > time it is very hard to find any background information about geology and > history of Moroccan localities. Only very recently a German book called > MAROKKO, about Moroccan minerals and fossils came on the market. It was > published by Bode and is in the German language. The book is about 550 pages > and about A4 size. It is full of pictures of minerals and mines, maps and > detailed descriptions. Of course Mibladen is also covered in a separete 30 > page chapter. I'm not going to translate it for you :-) But in a nutshell > some background about Mibladen: > > HISTORY > Mining took place in Mibladen prior to 1926. But between 1926 and 1947 about > 600 small shafts where operated in the area. The big boom lasted until the > early 50's. After that the mine was still operated, but mainly for mining > mineral specimen! > > GEOLOGY > Mibladen is a stratiform replacement deposit in Liassic sedimentary rocks > (dolomite ans sandstone). It is closely related to the neighboring deposits > of Aouli and Zeida, but there are differences. Aouli and Zeida are not > stratiform and located in triassic rocks > > MINERALOGY > Aragonite, barite, calcite, cerussite, chalcopyrite, coronadite, galena, > minium, paralaurionite, phosgenite, pyrite, pyromorphite, quartz and > vanadinite > > Hope this helps a bit. If you master German you should really try to get the > Morocco book. It does not list ALL Moroccan localities, but defenitely the > famous ones and many others. The chapters about Bou Azzer, Touissit, > Mibladen and Tachgagalt are very informative for the systematic collector. > > Cheers, > Maurice > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Joe Mulvey > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > Respected List, > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of > barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can > find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful > specimens, too! > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much more > valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing the > area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does anyone > have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or the > history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > As always, you all rock! > Joe > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 08:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 14 08:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Message-ID: <108.2be1d2de.2d5fa3f9@aol.com> I have been using PayPal for many years without any major problems. Occasionally a note does not get sent to me when I'm buying or to the purchaser when I'm selling, and periodically I have to send PayPal more proof of who I am. Having said that I never pay through PayPal with anything but my Credit Card. That way if I get stiffed, I notify the credit card company. Of course sometimes, when I'm selling rocks or fossils, I have a PayPal balance. When I do I pay those folks I know to be reliable first I have a special credit card with a relatively low limit (a few thousand dollars) for using for on line payments of any sort to limit my liability in any fraud case, even though the card has a $50 limit for fraud... after you report the card or number stolen. It is just another good idea. I never use a debit card for on-line payments. PayPal is set up to move money and charge fees, and if you do transactions in the cash mode rather than the credit mode, you bear all the risk in a case of fraud. I prefer to have PayPal and the credit card company bear that risk. BTW after 4 years or so buying and selling on E-Bay, I have only been snookered 2x. And in one case the woman sent me an apology letter a year later with the goods I'd ordered, long after I'd filed negative feedback. I guess she had a concience relapse. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 08:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Sat Feb 14 08:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> <001101c3f2cc$4ea481c0$fcbd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <011301c3f319$26883ae0$9a06efd1@oemcomputer> "For me it just boils down to one thing...if we are not 100% sure that the payment is going to reach the other party why take a chance." ----------------------- Hey, ever send a big hunk of cash through the mail to a third world country? Sometimes that's the only way. Poor man's lottery you might call it. Makes PayPal look positively benign. A relative of mine took out $300 from a major bank's cash machine. Got her card and the withdrawal slip, but no money. Went into the bank and was treated pretty much like a thief, no way were they going to hand over the money until the end of the week when they could add everything up. Wouldn't even check the camera to see that she didn't pocket the cash. It wasn't her home branch, but it was a bank she'd been a customer of for about forty years. Was quickly ironed out by the home branch. Stuff happens. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 08:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 14 08:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal Message-ID: I have been using PayPal for many years without any major problems. Occasionally a note does not get sent to me when I'm buying or to the purchaser when I'm selling, and periodically I have to send PayPal more proof of who I am. Having said that I never pay through PayPal with anything but my Credit Card. That way if I get stiffed, I notify the credit card company. Of course sometimes, when I'm selling rocks or fossils, I have a PayPal balance. When I do I pay those folks I know to be reliable first I have a special credit card with a relatively low limit (a few thousand dollars) for using for on line payments of any sort to limit my liability in any fraud case, even though the card has a $50 limit for fraud... after you report the card or number stolen. It is just another good idea. I never use a debit card for on-line payments. PayPal is set up to move money and charge fees, and if you do transactions in the cash mode rather than the credit mode, you bear all the risk in a case of fraud. I prefer to have PayPal and the credit card company bear that risk. BTW after 4 years or so buying and selling on E-Bay, I have only been snookered 2x. And in one case the woman sent me an apology letter a year later with the goods I'd ordered, long after I'd filed negative feedback. I guess she had a concience relapse. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 09:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Feb 14 09:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Monkey bashes obsidian! Film at 11 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040213200408.01f61a88@mail.spiritone.com> References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213200408.01f61a88@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040214092859.01f47a70@mail.spiritone.com> Whoops I missed the link to the BBC show. Here it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/programmes/tv/woo/ At 08:11 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote: >I always knew the Brits were crazy but this one takes the cake lol. The >BBC purchased some black obsidian from me and gave it to a rhesus monkey >to have his way with for a show called "Wildlife On One". It looks like it >is trying to get some honey from a container, although how they expected >it to do that with a chunk of obsidian is anybody's guess. Anyway I have >posted a short video to my site for your amusement. They just bought some >more pieces for another try. I hope it goes better than this one lol. The >video can be accessed from http://orerockon.com/rockhome.htm Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 09:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chris Auer) Date: Sat Feb 14 09:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco References: <1c8a01c3f311$092f6340$83cd94d1@remains> Message-ID: <000d01c3f322$f0f8f130$eff398d4@chris> Hi, I have also heard that most fossils are made from plastic! Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > as an aside.....no real trilobite collecting goes on in Midelt or > Mibladen.....I am sure you may be able to find material there if you looked > hard enough, but the vast majority of all trilos come from areas like > Alnif..... > > if a trilobite has a locality label of Mibladen, they mean the shop!! > > :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurice de Graaf" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:04 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > It is funny to see that minerals from Morocco can be seen at virtually all > > mineral fares in in every rockshop (at least here in Europe). At the same > > time it is very hard to find any background information about geology and > > history of Moroccan localities. Only very recently a German book called > > MAROKKO, about Moroccan minerals and fossils came on the market. It was > > published by Bode and is in the German language. The book is about 550 > pages > > and about A4 size. It is full of pictures of minerals and mines, maps and > > detailed descriptions. Of course Mibladen is also covered in a separete 30 > > page chapter. I'm not going to translate it for you :-) But in a nutshell > > some background about Mibladen: > > > > HISTORY > > Mining took place in Mibladen prior to 1926. But between 1926 and 1947 > about > > 600 small shafts where operated in the area. The big boom lasted until the > > early 50's. After that the mine was still operated, but mainly for mining > > mineral specimen! > > > > GEOLOGY > > Mibladen is a stratiform replacement deposit in Liassic sedimentary rocks > > (dolomite ans sandstone). It is closely related to the neighboring > deposits > > of Aouli and Zeida, but there are differences. Aouli and Zeida are not > > stratiform and located in triassic rocks > > > > MINERALOGY > > Aragonite, barite, calcite, cerussite, chalcopyrite, coronadite, galena, > > minium, paralaurionite, phosgenite, pyrite, pyromorphite, quartz and > > vanadinite > > > > Hope this helps a bit. If you master German you should really try to get > the > > Morocco book. It does not list ALL Moroccan localities, but defenitely the > > famous ones and many others. The chapters about Bou Azzer, Touissit, > > Mibladen and Tachgagalt are very informative for the systematic collector. > > > > Cheers, > > Maurice > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Joe Mulvey > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > > > Respected List, > > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of > > barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can > > find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful > > specimens, too! > > > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much > more > > valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing the > > area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does anyone > > have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or > the > > history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > > > As always, you all rock! > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 10:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Feb 14 10:19:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco References: <1c8a01c3f311$092f6340$83cd94d1@remains> <000d01c3f322$f0f8f130$eff398d4@chris> Message-ID: <00a901c3f326$ea8e0a70$819e77d5@axel> Fossils? Plastic??? I don't know.... now that Barbie is officially separated (divorce filed yet?) from Ken??? I ' d call that modern behaviour ;-))) LOL (Really, it was on the news! Official announcement from Mattel!) Cheers Axel (shocked to the marrow) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Auer" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > Hi, > I have also heard that most fossils are made from plastic! > > Chris Auer > ======================== > http://www.wulfenite.com > http://www.minerlamps.com > ======================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > as an aside.....no real trilobite collecting goes on in Midelt or > > Mibladen.....I am sure you may be able to find material there if you > looked > > hard enough, but the vast majority of all trilos come from areas like > > Alnif..... > > > > if a trilobite has a locality label of Mibladen, they mean the shop!! > > > > :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maurice de Graaf" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:04 AM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > It is funny to see that minerals from Morocco can be seen at virtually > all > > > mineral fares in in every rockshop (at least here in Europe). At the > same > > > time it is very hard to find any background information about geology > and > > > history of Moroccan localities. Only very recently a German book called > > > MAROKKO, about Moroccan minerals and fossils came on the market. It was > > > published by Bode and is in the German language. The book is about 550 > > pages > > > and about A4 size. It is full of pictures of minerals and mines, maps > and > > > detailed descriptions. Of course Mibladen is also covered in a separete > 30 > > > page chapter. I'm not going to translate it for you :-) But in a > nutshell > > > some background about Mibladen: > > > > > > HISTORY > > > Mining took place in Mibladen prior to 1926. But between 1926 and 1947 > > about > > > 600 small shafts where operated in the area. The big boom lasted until > the > > > early 50's. After that the mine was still operated, but mainly for > mining > > > mineral specimen! > > > > > > GEOLOGY > > > Mibladen is a stratiform replacement deposit in Liassic sedimentary > rocks > > > (dolomite ans sandstone). It is closely related to the neighboring > > deposits > > > of Aouli and Zeida, but there are differences. Aouli and Zeida are not > > > stratiform and located in triassic rocks > > > > > > MINERALOGY > > > Aragonite, barite, calcite, cerussite, chalcopyrite, coronadite, galena, > > > minium, paralaurionite, phosgenite, pyrite, pyromorphite, quartz and > > > vanadinite > > > > > > Hope this helps a bit. If you master German you should really try to get > > the > > > Morocco book. It does not list ALL Moroccan localities, but defenitely > the > > > famous ones and many others. The chapters about Bou Azzer, Touissit, > > > Mibladen and Tachgagalt are very informative for the systematic > collector. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Maurice > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Joe Mulvey > > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > > > > > > Respected List, > > > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of > > > barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > > > > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I > can > > > find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful > > > specimens, too! > > > > > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much > > more > > > valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing > the > > > area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does > anyone > > > have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or > > the > > > history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > > > > > As always, you all rock! > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 10:27:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 14 10:27:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco References: <1c8a01c3f311$092f6340$83cd94d1@remains> <000d01c3f322$f0f8f130$eff398d4@chris> Message-ID: <1e6901c3f328$2af84160$83cd94d1@remains> sure...if you buy them in sooks, and from the wrong people. Morocco can be the source of some of the best fossils in the world, or some of the greatest fakes, depending on where you shop. Don't ever dismiss a fossil material becuase it is Moroccan.....that country is one of the new frontiers of palaeontology. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Auer" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > Hi, > I have also heard that most fossils are made from plastic! > > Chris Auer > ======================== > http://www.wulfenite.com > http://www.minerlamps.com > ======================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > as an aside.....no real trilobite collecting goes on in Midelt or > > Mibladen.....I am sure you may be able to find material there if you > looked > > hard enough, but the vast majority of all trilos come from areas like > > Alnif..... > > > > if a trilobite has a locality label of Mibladen, they mean the shop!! > > > > :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maurice de Graaf" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:04 AM > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > It is funny to see that minerals from Morocco can be seen at virtually > all > > > mineral fares in in every rockshop (at least here in Europe). At the > same > > > time it is very hard to find any background information about geology > and > > > history of Moroccan localities. Only very recently a German book called > > > MAROKKO, about Moroccan minerals and fossils came on the market. It was > > > published by Bode and is in the German language. The book is about 550 > > pages > > > and about A4 size. It is full of pictures of minerals and mines, maps > and > > > detailed descriptions. Of course Mibladen is also covered in a separete > 30 > > > page chapter. I'm not going to translate it for you :-) But in a > nutshell > > > some background about Mibladen: > > > > > > HISTORY > > > Mining took place in Mibladen prior to 1926. But between 1926 and 1947 > > about > > > 600 small shafts where operated in the area. The big boom lasted until > the > > > early 50's. After that the mine was still operated, but mainly for > mining > > > mineral specimen! > > > > > > GEOLOGY > > > Mibladen is a stratiform replacement deposit in Liassic sedimentary > rocks > > > (dolomite ans sandstone). It is closely related to the neighboring > > deposits > > > of Aouli and Zeida, but there are differences. Aouli and Zeida are not > > > stratiform and located in triassic rocks > > > > > > MINERALOGY > > > Aragonite, barite, calcite, cerussite, chalcopyrite, coronadite, galena, > > > minium, paralaurionite, phosgenite, pyrite, pyromorphite, quartz and > > > vanadinite > > > > > > Hope this helps a bit. If you master German you should really try to get > > the > > > Morocco book. It does not list ALL Moroccan localities, but defenitely > the > > > famous ones and many others. The chapters about Bou Azzer, Touissit, > > > Mibladen and Tachgagalt are very informative for the systematic > collector. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Maurice > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Joe Mulvey > > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > > > > > > Respected List, > > > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of > > > barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > > > > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I > can > > > find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful > > > specimens, too! > > > > > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much > > more > > > valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing > the > > > area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does > anyone > > > have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or > > the > > > history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > > > > > As always, you all rock! > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 10:43:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Feb 14 10:43:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco In-Reply-To: <000d01c3f322$f0f8f130$eff398d4@chris> Message-ID: Moroccan fossils is a whole different story. Most mineral fakes from Morocco aren't too hard to spot. The brown anglesites, galena geodes and brightly colored fakes. Fossils, especially the trilobites are a minefield. The are real ones, but many many fakes too. Often delicate antennae or feet are reconstruced with plastic. Sometimes the whole trilobite is made of some sort of composite. The matrix around even has scratches from the preparation needle, allthough it never saw one. One of the most clever fakes you can see easily yourself on mineral fares are composite trilobites. Usually the trilobite is in the middle of a round ball shaped lumb of rock. Collector find such a ball and smash it with a hammer to see what is in it. Of course they destroy the trilobite inside. Somehow the balls usually break in three pieces. All the three pieces and preparated individually. Everything above the trilobite is removed. After this the three parts are glued together and there is your perfectly legitimate trilobite fossil. But very often the three parts do not come from the same original ball!!!!!!!! nowe are not talking about preparation or restauration anymore. These fakes can be easily spotted. Look at the back of the specimen and you will see the cracks. when all the segments of rock have a different color, you are in trouble. The color mis match is usually camouflaged on the front side. I'm no fossil expert, but I heard they even put fronts and backs of different species together creating a Trilobitus frankensteinius. Seeing a whole flat of EXACTLY the same trilobites in EXACTLY the same position might make you think also :-) Cheers Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Chris Auer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:50 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco Hi, I have also heard that most fossils are made from plastic! Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > as an aside.....no real trilobite collecting goes on in Midelt or > Mibladen.....I am sure you may be able to find material there if you looked > hard enough, but the vast majority of all trilos come from areas like > Alnif..... > > if a trilobite has a locality label of Mibladen, they mean the shop!! > > :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurice de Graaf" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:04 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > It is funny to see that minerals from Morocco can be seen at virtually all > > mineral fares in in every rockshop (at least here in Europe). At the same > > time it is very hard to find any background information about geology and > > history of Moroccan localities. Only very recently a German book called > > MAROKKO, about Moroccan minerals and fossils came on the market. It was > > published by Bode and is in the German language. The book is about 550 > pages > > and about A4 size. It is full of pictures of minerals and mines, maps and > > detailed descriptions. Of course Mibladen is also covered in a separete 30 > > page chapter. I'm not going to translate it for you :-) But in a nutshell > > some background about Mibladen: > > > > HISTORY > > Mining took place in Mibladen prior to 1926. But between 1926 and 1947 > about > > 600 small shafts where operated in the area. The big boom lasted until the > > early 50's. After that the mine was still operated, but mainly for mining > > mineral specimen! > > > > GEOLOGY > > Mibladen is a stratiform replacement deposit in Liassic sedimentary rocks > > (dolomite ans sandstone). It is closely related to the neighboring > deposits > > of Aouli and Zeida, but there are differences. Aouli and Zeida are not > > stratiform and located in triassic rocks > > > > MINERALOGY > > Aragonite, barite, calcite, cerussite, chalcopyrite, coronadite, galena, > > minium, paralaurionite, phosgenite, pyrite, pyromorphite, quartz and > > vanadinite > > > > Hope this helps a bit. If you master German you should really try to get > the > > Morocco book. It does not list ALL Moroccan localities, but defenitely the > > famous ones and many others. The chapters about Bou Azzer, Touissit, > > Mibladen and Tachgagalt are very informative for the systematic collector. > > > > Cheers, > > Maurice > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Joe Mulvey > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > > > > Respected List, > > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of > > barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can > > find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful > > specimens, too! > > > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much > more > > valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing the > > area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does anyone > > have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, or > the > > history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > > > As always, you all rock! > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 11:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat Feb 14 11:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco References: <20040214122712.24515.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c3f2ff$de3feee0$a917bd51@chris> Message-ID: <402E6098.460C191B@gmx.de> Excuse me, it was Lapis December 2003 Regards, Jürgen Wachsmuth Chris Auer schrieb: > Hi, > The german magazine Lapis brought a very informative articel about Mibladen, > I think it was January 2004. > > Chris Auer > ======================== > http://www.wulfenite.com > http://www.minerlamps.com > ======================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Mulvey" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mibladen, Morocco > > > Respected List, > > Recently I won a trilobite at a raffle, and later a beautiful piece of > barite. Both items are from Mibladen, Morocco. > > > > My interest peaked, I've serached google for dozens of pages but all I can > find are hundreds of people selling minerals and fossils. Many beautiful > specimens, too! > > > > What I am searching for is info on the region. My collection is so much > more valuable to me if I know something about a region. Mindat was listing > the area, minerals and other names for the region. I'd like more! Does > anyone have a book or web site they'd recommend about Mibladen, or Morocco, > or the history of the region, or the people, mining, geology, etc.? > > > > As always, you all rock! > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 11:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Sat Feb 14 11:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mindat down Message-ID: <009401c3f330$cb6fafe0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> http://www.mindat.org/ has been down all day maintenance? or did the shit hit the fan? Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 12:14:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jolyon Ralph) Date: Sat Feb 14 12:14:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mindat down In-Reply-To: <009401c3f330$cb6fafe0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> References: <009401c3f330$cb6fafe0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Message-ID: <1076788568.402e7d58a85e3@mail.mways.co.uk> Hi Frank, As I reported on the messageboard last week, we had a failure in the server this week (hardware failure, stick of RAM died) - the server was back up and running for the last few days but on only half of the RAM the server had before. The server failed completely on friday evening, too late for me to resolve. I went out today and bought 1Gb of ram for the server (twice what it had before all the failures), however I won't be able to go and fit this and restart the server until Monday AM - unfortunately mindat.org will remain down until then. The reason for the recent problems is primarily due to the demand on the server - latest stats I have (December 2003) showed 1.6 million pages viewed in that month - and despite the server being just over 1 year old I am already saving up to buy a new one :) Regards, Jolyon - www.mindat.org Quoting Frank de Wit : > http://www.mindat.org/ has been down all day > maintenance? or did the shit hit the fan? > > Cheers! > Frank > http://www.strahlen.org/ > http://www.untertage.com/ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 12:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Sat Feb 14 12:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mindat down References: <009401c3f330$cb6fafe0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <1076788568.402e7d58a85e3@mail.mways.co.uk> Message-ID: <00a901c3f339$a87dfba0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> feel happy Jolyon me and a lot of others I think miss Mindat very much, even for one day most of us will not miss their wife for one day, but they will miss Mindat hahaha good luck with all the work; sorry I can't help from .nl Cheers! Frank ps: my offer still stands... my webserver can be a backup copy for Mindat anytime we've got about 70 gigabyte of space and enough RAM and processorcycles for Mindat we plug 4 gigabyte RAM in each Citrix server on my work; we've got some RAM leftovers ;-) (I only served 77.150 pages in december... shit, still room for growth hahaha) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jolyon Ralph" To: ; "Frank de Wit" Cc: "rockhounds" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mindat down > Hi Frank, > > As I reported on the messageboard last week, we had a failure in the server this > week (hardware failure, stick of RAM died) - the server was back up and running > for the last few days but on only half of the RAM the server had before. > > The server failed completely on friday evening, too late for me to resolve. I > went out today and bought 1Gb of ram for the server (twice what it had before > all the failures), however I won't be able to go and fit this and restart the > server until Monday AM - unfortunately mindat.org will remain down until then. > > The reason for the recent problems is primarily due to the demand on the server > - latest stats I have (December 2003) showed 1.6 million pages viewed in that > month - and despite the server being just over 1 year old I am already saving > up to buy a new one :) > > Regards, > > Jolyon - www.mindat.org > > Quoting Frank de Wit : > > > http://www.mindat.org/ has been down all day > > maintenance? or did the shit hit the fan? > > > > Cheers! > > Frank > > http://www.strahlen.org/ > > http://www.untertage.com/ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 12:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 14 12:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mindat down Message-ID: <8.45bf957e.2d5fe023@aol.com> From: crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com Steve DeLong/Owner We are at the Days Inn off of Congress in Tucson. Come see our fantastic finished and rough Stromatolite Stone in red jasper and quartz as replacement minerals. We have green, black, and red stone for sale, and some finished spheres. We are in Room 237, or call us at 520-791-7511 Ext. 237. Or call us at 888-400-0094 for info leave message. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 12:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 14 12:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal In-Reply-To: <001201c3f269$2f2975c0$e75a2741@johniepsh4mfjg> Message-ID: <20040214203631.0F45AEA87CC@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John McLaughlin Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:40 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal Spot on Aaron. The site confirms my experience with the corporation. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona And mine too, in a different way. I had been using them to pay for some opals I was buying from time to time. Using my credit card. Everything was fine for awhile, and then suddenly they decided they had to have all the information about my bank account! The number, the amount of money in it, etc. etc. etc. !!!! I told them what they could do with their request. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ > > I will never, ever, EVER do business with a company this slimy. Plus, they > act like a bank, with none of the guarantees or Federal protections of a > bank. I would personally avoid them like the plague. > > Just my 0.01975869 cents (for extremely large values of two cents). > > a. > > > > Hi List > > > > I need a opinion on Paypal. We have used it in the past to pay for specimens that we had bought. Lately two of our regular suppliers have complained that they did not receive their money from paypal. Is this a regular thing, did any of u also experienced the same problem. If so is there any other system that we can use in place of paypal > > Thanks > > Willie > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > -- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 12:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dri) Date: Sat Feb 14 12:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paypal References: <145.22059b41.2d5e7c27@aol.com> <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> <6.0.1.1.2.20040213185642.01f331b8@mail.spiritone.com> <001101c3f2cc$4ea481c0$fcbd1fc4@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <004701c3f33b$ac430800$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> Willie: There is not anything that is a 100% sure thing. There are not any absolutes in this world. My experience of over 60 years is that I gather information and than make my decision on which possibility provides the highest number of successes or reliability when compared with several possibilities that are of the subject of interest. Ya' take care, ya' Hear! Dri-Anna WA - USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Steyn" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 23:29 Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > Thanks to everybody who had contributed to this issue. I`m none the wiser, > some had good experiences and some not. For me it just boils down to one > thing...if we are not 100% sure that the payment is going to reach the other > party why take a chance. > It has been the first time that paypal had let me down in about 30 > transactions and I measure it against my bank. If my bank did not pay a > debit order of mine what would my reaction have been? > Thanks to everybody. > Willie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > > > > Jim, I have asked my ISP and they said if the email triggers their spam > > filters, which is all too easy to do, it gets blocked. Also, emails do get > > lost in the e-vapor, especially from MASS mailings (those from PayPal are > > about the biggest mass mailings besides Ebay that I can think of). > Millions > > go out a day & I bet that a very small percentage never reach their > > legitimate recipients. I can recall about 3 that haven't reached me since > > 2000. > > > > And on those "Paypal sucks" and similar sites: each and every large > > corporation in this country has one or more of those sites dedicated to > > them. How many exist for Ebay? A dozen? Two dozen? If you believed every > > one you would sit in your chair frozen to PBS your whole life and not move > > for fear of being struck down dead by corporate America. Of course some > > people have had bad experiences with PayPal. And Ebay. And Dell. And > > McDonalds. And Corp X. So they set up a bashing site and viola! thousands > > of posts by others who have had bad experiences (or imagine they have, or > > are just plain loonies). Whoop de doo. I say poo on the poo-pooers. Go get > > a free lawyer and file a lawsuit; it will get you a heck of a lot farther > > than screaming your lungs out on one of those sites. I noticed there is > one > > against PayPal, and I hope those people get their money back. Looks like > > one was owed $27.00 lol. > > > > And thanks for the info on accepting Visa and MC. It appears that a lot > has > > changed since the pre-Paypal days. Competition is a beautiful thing :) > > > > At 03:09 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote: > > >I, too, have had a few instances of not getting an E-mail from PayPal > when a > > >customer has paid. I attributed it to my ISP blocking the message as > spam. > > >Now I'm not so sure... > > >Jim Daly > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:14 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Paypal > > > > > > > > > > As a frequent user of E-Bay, I use PayPal all the time. It is > generally > > >very > > > > dependable. However, several times they have NOT sent me an e-mail > when a > > > > customer has paid. Fortunately, I learned to check the PayPal account > > >status > > > > frequently and have avoided mistakes with customers in those cases > where > > >an > > > > e-mail was not sent. However, I had one very unfortunate case where a > > >person > > > > different from the original purchaser paid me for an item. I did not > > >think the > > > > original purchaser had paid me and badgered the customer until I got a > > >very > > > > angry e-mail back WITH the PayPal payment number. There are some > aspects > > >of > > > > PayPal to be wary of. > > > > > > > > John Scully > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > > multipart/alternative > > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > > text/html > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 14:50:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Feb 14 14:50:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mindat down In-Reply-To: <1076788568.402e7d58a85e3@mail.mways.co.uk> Message-ID: <200402142245.i1EMjd7e050518@mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net> Mindat is a wonderful resource and I would have not objection to contributing to it if there was some mechanism. Perhaps the mineral community should start a voluntary subscription. I am a member of another mailing list that is about the novels of Patrick O'Brian--(the movie Master and Commander was based on his series) and whenever they have a problem with money, the listwain (captain of the list, aka administrator) simply posts a request for funds, and we respond because we know of its importance to our daily lives. Obviously, with 1.6 million pages served a month, mindat is a resource to a great many, and we as a community that benefits from it, should be willing to help bail the water. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jolyon Ralph > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:56 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com; Frank de Wit > Cc: rockhounds > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mindat down > > Hi Frank, > > As I reported on the messageboard last week, we had a failure > in the server this week (hardware failure, stick of RAM died) > - the server was back up and running for the last few days > but on only half of the RAM the server had before. > > The server failed completely on friday evening, too late for > me to resolve. I went out today and bought 1Gb of ram for the > server (twice what it had before all the failures), however I > won't be able to go and fit this and restart the server until > Monday AM - unfortunately mindat.org will remain down until then. > > The reason for the recent problems is primarily due to the > demand on the server > - latest stats I have (December 2003) showed 1.6 million > pages viewed in that month - and despite the server being > just over 1 year old I am already saving up to buy a new one :) > > Regards, > > Jolyon - www.mindat.org > > Quoting Frank de Wit : > > > http://www.mindat.org/ has been down all day maintenance? > or did the > > shit hit the fan? > > > > Cheers! > > Frank > > http://www.strahlen.org/ > > http://www.untertage.com/ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 15:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 14 15:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? Message-ID: <20040214.172236.-573909.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Maurice: Your post caught my eye mentioning mineral fakes including "galena geodes". I saw a galena geode recently that was supposed to be from Morocco. What's the story behind that? Ken Vaisvil ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 15:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jolyon Ralph) Date: Sat Feb 14 15:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? In-Reply-To: <20040214.172236.-573909.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> References: <20040214.172236.-573909.0.kjvgorock@juno.com> Message-ID: <1076801600.402eb040ecbac@mail.mways.co.uk> Quoting kjvgorock@juno.com: > Maurice: > > Your post caught my eye mentioning mineral fakes including "galena > geodes". > > I saw a galena geode recently that was supposed to be from Morocco. > > What's the story behind that? It's one of the most common fakes around - and easy to spot because there is no such thing as a genuine "galena geode" from morocco. They take quartz geodes, break them in half, paint them with glue, and pour in a lot of galena cleavage fragments. Leave to dry, put on a stall somewhere and sell them. Compared to the fake fossils, they are very low-tech fakes. Jolyon ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 16:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Feb 14 16:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? In-Reply-To: <1076801600.402eb040ecbac@mail.mways.co.uk> Message-ID: This is a famous one! Maybe the hype is over now, but I have seen some of them about 5 years ago. They take a geode of light colored rock lined with white calcite. (They are quite common in Haute Moulouya). Inside this geode they glue cubes of galena. The glue is covered with galena dust. Quite convincing, where it not that Galena does not form in geodes, but in veins :-) The funny ones are made when they ran out of galena cubes I think. They glue matches inside the geode and cover them with galena dust. They mostly use 4 matches for some reason making it look like 4 galena fingers. Apart from their geological nonsense, they look quite convincing. Even mud is used to make samples not too clean. The same quartz nd calcite geodes are also dyed with henna or potassium permanganate, but these colors are tooweird for any selfrespecting rockhound to fall for. A friend of mine is Moroccan and rockhound. He was born in Midelt, close to Mibladen, but now has a rockshop here in Holland. Every now and then he brings back some of these 'works of art' :-) Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Jolyon Ralph Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:33 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? Quoting kjvgorock@juno.com: > Maurice: > > Your post caught my eye mentioning mineral fakes including "galena > geodes". > > I saw a galena geode recently that was supposed to be from Morocco. > > What's the story behind that? It's one of the most common fakes around - and easy to spot because there is no such thing as a genuine "galena geode" from morocco. They take quartz geodes, break them in half, paint them with glue, and pour in a lot of galena cleavage fragments. Leave to dry, put on a stall somewhere and sell them. Compared to the fake fossils, they are very low-tech fakes. Jolyon ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 19:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 14 19:13:00 2004 Subject: Disguised Ad (was: Re: [Rockhounds] mindat down) References: <8.45bf957e.2d5fe023@aol.com> Message-ID: <402EE39C.1024@Tomaszewski.net> CrescentStoneINC@aol.com wrote: Steve, I would suggest your ad posting was inappropriate. You failed to identify it as an advertisment against list guidelines. You piggybacked onto the reputation of a wonderful service to our rockhounding community to draw attention with your off topic Subject. Please be more considerate in future postings. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 14 20:25:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 14 20:25:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning of gypsum References: <000401c3f134$0b1dc680$c64227c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <402EF466.577E@Tomaszewski.net> Horst Windisch wrote: > > Hi List, > > I have been approached by some persons who have some hand imprints (of > celebrities) in a Plaster of Paris (gypsum) cast. These casts are now to be > placed in an important position of a building, but the casts have now got > some dirt on them. The question arises, how to get rid of this dirt, without > damaging the imprints. Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Horst Horst, I polish gypsum (and other very soft rocks) on a lap made by tightly stretching about six layers of nylon pantyhose over a leather lap (has to be worked lightly or it grabs) with a rubbed in paste of cerium oxide and a spray bottle of water to keep it damp. I wash gypsum (and selenite) specimens with water and a nylon toothbrush (lightly). But plaster is not gypsum. Perhaps you could try a burnishing pad made from pantyhose on a test chunk of dirtied plaster. You might also try a quick washing and (light) brushing with a toothbrush (on a test chunk). I have some experience with applying/repairing old lath plaster walls and ceilings and know raw plaster can take a cleaning (and wiping off) without significant surface damage. Old plaster is more tolerant than new plaster. The level of cleaning tolerance depends on the original amount of detail preserved. You might also consider spray painting the plaster casts with white paint (again, try a test chunk first) or just plaster sealer. And if your risk tolerance is high, paint them with white glaze and fire them. I've got a plaster handcast so treated from when I was 4 that my Mom gave me for my 40th birthday. The best casts are made with plaster of paris because it sets so quickly and can preserve fine detail (it also gets hot as it sets, which can cause cracks). BTW, you can slow down the setting by adding cream of tarter (doesn't take much) and mixing it in before adding water. Oh, you probably should also make a phone call to the Curator at the nearest museum(s) and ask for suggestions. I hope this helps. Good luck! Let us know what worked. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 09:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 15 09:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? Message-ID: <124.2ae4a3a2.2d610a70@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/2004 6:52:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, jolyon@mindat.org writes: > They take quartz geodes, break them in half, paint them with glue, and pour > in a > lot of galena cleavage fragments. Leave to dry, put on a stall somewhere and > sell them. I collect these fakes. I cannot see any glue on them though. I always assumed they grew the galena. Are you sure that is how they are made? John Betts http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 10:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sun Feb 15 10:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? In-Reply-To: <124.2ae4a3a2.2d610a70@aol.com> Message-ID: Yep pretty sure. I have seen sample where the matches broke off and you defenitely see wood and glue. For the ones without the matches, they came from the same batch. The method is als described in the german Morocco book I mentioned before. Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Jhbnyc@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:46 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena geode fake? In a message dated 2/14/2004 6:52:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, jolyon@mindat.org writes: > They take quartz geodes, break them in half, paint them with glue, and pour > in a > lot of galena cleavage fragments. Leave to dry, put on a stall somewhere and > sell them. I collect these fakes. I cannot see any glue on them though. I always assumed they grew the galena. Are you sure that is how they are made? John Betts http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 11:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Sun Feb 15 11:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes Message-ID: <000c01c3f3f7$28622c20$c1631943@uswest.net> One of my clients brought back a galena geode from Morocco and asked if = I had ever seen such a thing. No, indeed, I had not! The fist sized = geode was lined with thin layer of agate and what appeared to be 100's = of square galena cubes. Amazing I thought, but at the same time = immediately suspicious. He had bought it from a group of children = selling 'rocks' beside the road in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco. I = have seen some very credible fakes, both minerals and fossils, but this = one was a doozie. A fast pass with a black light showed the lime green = glue to hold the galena cubes in place. Without the black light the = glue disappeared. The price paid amounted to about $ 5.00 US. It must = have taken hours to glue the cubes into the hollow, all well placed and = aesthetically presented. I am very interested in fakes and this was a = good one for 5 bucks. BTW, I lived in Morocco, and found the people = wonderful, even the con artists and fake makers. Remember most of the = Moroccan people are very poor and have no cultural inhibitions about = making fakes. It is part of a basic concept about how money goes around = & around. Danny Steward / Seattle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 15:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Sun Feb 15 15:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: <000c01c3f3f7$28622c20$c1631943@uswest.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040215181826.00e00828@pop.megalink.net> We sawed a batch of geodes from Missouri one time for a fellow and cut through a very nice sphalerite crystal.... I am wondering why, in the right area, that it wouldn't be possible to find a galena cube in a geode? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 16:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 15 16:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers Message-ID: <96.378c16a.2d6167e0@cs.com> Hi fellow rockers! Does anyone know what are the best machines to buy for making spheres are? the link i have enclosed seems to be the best deal (on the web page, scroll down to the "org-n") any input is much apprciated! Andrea Gems, Ink Click here: Jack Slevkoff's Prized Possessions--SPHERE MACHINES --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 19:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 15 19:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes References: <4.3.1.0.20040215181826.00e00828@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <4030351A.45F0@Tomaszewski.net> Duane wrote: > > We sawed a batch of geodes from Missouri one time for a fellow and cut > through a very nice sphalerite crystal.... I am wondering why, in the right > area, that it wouldn't be possible to find a galena cube in a geode? > I have a chunk of galena from Italy that has a vug in it full of Anglesite. I have galena cubes growing out of the matrix surface from the Joplin District that obviously had been in a vug. I suppose you could have galena in a geode, but it must take fairly rare conditions to grow one. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 21:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Sun Feb 15 21:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <96.378c16a.2d6167e0@cs.com> References: <96.378c16a.2d6167e0@cs.com> Message-ID: <40305819.4040209@earthlink.net> Dre4short@cs.com wrote: >Hi fellow rockers! > >Does anyone know what are the best machines to buy for making spheres are? >the link i have enclosed seems to be the best deal (on the web page, scroll >down to the "org-n") any input is much apprciated! >Andrea > > Not trying to get rid of you, Andrea, but you might try this question over at; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spheres There are 246 members over there focussed specifically on spheres (in the group at least) Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:10:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WES LINGERFELT) Date: Sun Feb 15 22:10:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <96.378c16a.2d6167e0@cs.com> Message-ID: <20040216060944.3551.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.sphereheaven.com (Equipment page) Dre4short@cs.com wrote:Hi fellow rockers! Does anyone know what are the best machines to buy for making spheres are? the link i have enclosed seems to be the best deal (on the web page, scroll down to the "org-n") any input is much apprciated! Andrea Gems, Ink Click here: Jack Slevkoff's Prized Possessions--SPHERE MACHINES --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 15 22:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Sun Feb 15 22:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes References: <4.3.1.0.20040215181826.00e00828@pop.megalink.net> <4030351A.45F0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <004a01c3f454$5bde4770$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> The premise though, a vug is a cavity that is usually still being fed with circulation, in which the sulfide would be travelling in "solution" (or more likely as gaseous ions). But a geode is usually locked up and no more circulation would be feeding it to "grow" the crystals, so what grew was from the original "solution" which had to have the relevent elements in quantity. Would that be right? Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes > Duane wrote: > > > > We sawed a batch of geodes from Missouri one time for a fellow and cut > > through a very nice sphalerite crystal.... I am wondering why, in the right > > area, that it wouldn't be possible to find a galena cube in a geode? > > > > > I have a chunk of galena from Italy that has a vug in it full of > Anglesite. > > I have galena cubes growing out of the matrix surface from the Joplin > District that obviously had been in a vug. > > I suppose you could have galena in a geode, but it must take fairly rare > conditions to grow one. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 04:53:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (ItalianMinerals) Date: Mon Feb 16 04:53:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Deep red Wulfenite from Chile Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040216135151.02571008@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, very nice crystalline WULFENITEs from the recent finding of Chapacase Mine, nr. Maria Elena, Chile are now available on our website ! Give a look at: http://www.italianminerals.com/wulfenite-chile.html Other interesting updates on the Tucson show 2004 uopdates ! http://www.italianminerals.com/TUCSON2004-1.html If interested contact me offlist. Alessandro (ItalianMinerals.com) ===================== Visit us at: http://www.ItalianMinerals.com for quality minerals !! Check our auctions on Ebay at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals ===================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 05:30:15 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Powell) Date: Mon Feb 16 05:30:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers References: <20040216060944.3551.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c3f490$f5397fc0$e28869d1@6663r01> Dear Andrea, Covington Engineering (Redlands, CA) make what they call "small sphere machine." You might give them a try. www.covington-engineering.com. Good luck. Darryl Powell Manchester, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "WES LINGERFELT" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] sphere makers > http://www.sphereheaven.com (Equipment page) > > Dre4short@cs.com wrote:Hi fellow rockers! > > Does anyone know what are the best machines to buy for making spheres are? > the link i have enclosed seems to be the best deal (on the web page, scroll > down to the "org-n") any input is much apprciated! > Andrea > Gems, Ink > > > > > > > Click here: Jack Slevkoff's Prized Possessions--SPHERE MACHINES > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 07:51:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 16 07:51:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <40305819.4040209@earthlink.net> References: <96.378c16a.2d6167e0@cs.com> <40305819.4040209@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216074231.01f2b3a0@mail.spiritone.com> I bet there are more than 250 sphere makers on THIS list. Richardson's makes the best sphere machine. Period. Their # is 541 475-2680. I think the only picture of one on the net is mine, it's at http://orerockon.com/shop.htm Last one I bought was $575, but I bet they have gone up in price since. P.S. Sphereheaven's prices are outrageous for very old used equipment. At 09:41 PM 2/15/2004, you wrote: >Dre4short@cs.com wrote: > >>Hi fellow rockers! >> >>Does anyone know what are the best machines to buy for making spheres are? >>the link i have enclosed seems to be the best deal (on the web page, >>scroll down to the "org-n") any input is much apprciated! >>Andrea >> >Not trying to get rid of you, Andrea, but you might try this question over at; > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spheres > >There are 246 members over there focussed specifically on spheres (in the >group at least) > >Peace, >dave Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 08:21:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Feb 16 08:21:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: [Orchid] Galaxy's Largest Diamond Message-ID: <20040216162006.37A3AEA9D17@delivery.infowest.com> I thought this might interest you! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: owner-orchid@ganoksin.com [mailto:owner-orchid@ganoksin.com] On Behalf Of E. Luther A diamond has been found that is 10 billion trillion trillion carats, or 2,500 miles across. Check it out: Article at http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407.html Picture (artist's conception) at http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407image.html ____________________________________________________________________ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 09:13:18 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WES LINGERFELT) Date: Mon Feb 16 09:13:18 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216074231.01f2b3a0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20040216171253.76257.qmail@web80303.mail.yahoo.com> Tim is at it again in letting his mouth override his good sense. My sphere machines are not old used equipment. They are brand new and come in 2 sizes with the capability of making larger spheres than most machines on the market. They are also of a different design that is easier to adjust and setup than any other machine. They do not require a grit feeder as they use diamond cups that are quicker, cleaner and last longer than other machines. I wish Tim would learn to speak about what he knows and leave what he doesn't know to someone else. Cheers! Tim Fisher wrote:I bet there are more than 250 sphere makers on THIS list. Richardson's makes the best sphere machine. Period. Their # is 541 475-2680. I think the only picture of one on the net is mine, it's at http://orerockon.com/shop.htm Last one I bought was $575, but I bet they have gone up in price since. P.S. Sphereheaven's prices are outrageous for very old used equipment. At 09:41 PM 2/15/2004, you wrote: >Dre4short@cs.com wrote: > >>Hi fellow rockers! >> >>Does anyone know what are the best machines to buy for making spheres are? >>the link i have enclosed seems to be the best deal (on the web page, >>scroll down to the "org-n") any input is much apprciated! >>Andrea >> >Not trying to get rid of you, Andrea, but you might try this question over at; > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spheres > >There are 246 members over there focussed specifically on spheres (in the >group at least) > >Peace, >dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 09:14:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Feb 16 09:14:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Correct e-mail adress sought Message-ID: <001801c3f4b0$374e36c0$55dfc850@maxdata> Messages to the following e-mail adress bounce : Steve Northway delph@peak.org (541) 929-5375 Does anyone know Steve Northway (and his correct e-mail adress) ? Thanks in advance and regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 10:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Feb 16 10:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: <004a01c3f454$5bde4770$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> References: <4.3.1.0.20040215181826.00e00828@pop.megalink.net> <4030351A.45F0@Tomaszewski.net> <004a01c3f454$5bde4770$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> Message-ID: <21F0706E-60AA-11D8-8219-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Putting the premise aside, which I don't agree in as far as the supposed limitations go on the formation of a geode, I cannot think of any reason why there could not be galena in a geode. Considering that nearly all of the carbonates occur in geodes, that barite occurs in geodes, that pyrite is common in geodes, that millerite occurs in geodes, and I vaguely recall sphalerite in geodes, why not galena? Throw into that the fact that several of these minerals can be found in the same geode, it seems even more likely that the mineralogy of a geode could include galena. If a mineral can be found in rocks where geodes form with the minerals that are commonly found in geodes, there is no reason to restrict the mineralogy to a few minerals. Now if one is to go by the absolute most restrictive definition of a geode that it has to be from sedimentary rocks and that it has to have a chalcedony rind, then some of the above might not occur in "true" geodes and I would change my opinion to to be a little less positive in believing that galena could form in a geode. Regards, Lanny On Feb 15, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > The premise though, a vug is a cavity that is usually still being fed > with > circulation, in which the sulfide would be travelling in "solution" > (or more > likely as gaseous ions). > > But a geode is usually locked up and no more circulation would be > feeding it > to "grow" the crystals, so what grew was from the original "solution" > which > had to have the relevent elements in quantity. > > Would that be right? > > Jimmy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes > > >> Duane wrote: >>> >>> We sawed a batch of geodes from Missouri one time for a fellow and > cut >>> through a very nice sphalerite crystal.... I am wondering why, in the > right >>> area, that it wouldn't be possible to find a galena cube in a geode? >>> >> >> >> I have a chunk of galena from Italy that has a vug in it full of >> Anglesite. >> >> I have galena cubes growing out of the matrix surface from the Joplin >> District that obviously had been in a vug. >> >> I suppose you could have galena in a geode, but it must take fairly >> rare >> conditions to grow one. >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 10:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 16 10:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers / $ COSTS Message-ID: I visited your site and was impressed with your lapidary materials and machine. You giving everyone knowledge of how to make your own diamond cups and providing the brazing rods and advice, etc is amazing and highly generous. In my opinion, one of the MAIN reasons our lapidary world is falling apart, is due to the very high prices of the equipment we use and especially the diamond products, such as diamond wheels, discs / laps and sphere cups ... You providing ways to reduce costs for lapidary work, is a BIG step toward preserving the world of lapidary. Thank you Rocknlight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 11:08:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Feb 16 11:08:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers / $ COSTS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040216092319.0238eae0@mail.aloha.net> Hi, A long time ago we had a thread about removing the previous message so that a lot of extraneous stuff is not repeated. And some of us suggested that retaining a small amount in order to provide context was a good idea, especially since sometimes the original message is lost. The message below is a good example of that. I don't know who "you" is or what "your site" is. Perhaps the original message will arrive eventually, but in the meantime I'm missing the topic that you, Rocknlight, are talking about. :-) Aloha, Kitty At 08:51 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote: >I visited your site and was impressed with your lapidary materials and >machine. > >You giving everyone knowledge of how to make your own diamond cups and >providing the brazing rods and advice, etc is amazing and highly generous. > >In my opinion, one of the MAIN reasons our lapidary world is falling apart, >is due to the very high prices of the equipment we use and especially the >diamond products, such as diamond wheels, discs / laps and sphere cups ... > >You providing ways to reduce costs for lapidary work, is a BIG step toward >preserving the world of lapidary. > >Thank you > >Rocknlight > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 11:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WES LINGERFELT) Date: Mon Feb 16 11:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers / $ COSTS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040216190816.14429.qmail@web80313.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with very much! Most people do not realize that the prices put on machinery varies with the locale. Prices here on the Central Coast of California have skyrocketed beyond belief. I can't believe that an old used 24 inch saw was selling for $500.00 or less including the blade just a few years ago. Now they are going for over $1500.00 around here and at Quartzsite. The same is true for the smaller size saws as well. I'm currently testing 4 of the new sphere maker machines and will soon be putting up the smaller version with 200 RPM motors (Brand New!). It is amazing at how well it is working with the diamond cups. It's the wave of the future. Thanks for your comments! I needed that! Cheers! Wes Lingerfelt, 2002 Inductee National Rockhound and Lapidary Hall of Fame. Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: I visited your site and was impressed with your lapidary materials and machine. You giving everyone knowledge of how to make your own diamond cups and providing the brazing rods and advice, etc is amazing and highly generous. In my opinion, one of the MAIN reasons our lapidary world is falling apart, is due to the very high prices of the equipment we use and especially the diamond products, such as diamond wheels, discs / laps and sphere cups ... You providing ways to reduce costs for lapidary work, is a BIG step toward preserving the world of lapidary. Thank you Rocknlight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 11:42:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 16 11:42:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <20040216171253.76257.qmail@web80303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216074231.01f2b3a0@mail.spiritone.com> <20040216171253.76257.qmail@web80303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216114051.01f65a50@mail.spiritone.com> I saw one machine on the {quot}Equpiment{quot} page that was shown at the top, for $2000, and it looked very used. I apologize. At 09:12 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote: Tim is at it again in letting his mouth override his good sense. My sphere machines are not old used equipment. They are brand new and come in 2 sizes with the capability of making larger spheres than most machines on the market. They are also of a different design that is easier to adjust and setup than any other machine. They do not require a grit feeder as they use diamond cups that are quicker, cleaner and last longer than other machines. I wish Tim would learn to speak about what he knows and leave what he doesn't know to someone else. Cheers! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 11:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 16 11:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers / $ COSTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216114227.01f60120@mail.spiritone.com> It costs a lot of money to manufacture sintered segments and grinding heads. I have seen Johnny Richardson's setup for this and it looks expensive, and complicated. He paid over $80,000 for the equipment alone...as to the cost of industrial diamond, it is falling, thanks to the new Canadian and Russian mines. However, the cost of manufacturing small quantities of specialized equipment will never go down, only up. Supply=demand=price, unfortunately... At 10:51 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote: >I visited your site and was impressed with your lapidary materials and >machine. > >You giving everyone knowledge of how to make your own diamond cups and >providing the brazing rods and advice, etc is amazing and highly generous. > >In my opinion, one of the MAIN reasons our lapidary world is falling apart, >is due to the very high prices of the equipment we use and especially the >diamond products, such as diamond wheels, discs / laps and sphere cups ... > >You providing ways to reduce costs for lapidary work, is a BIG step toward >preserving the world of lapidary. > >Thank you > >Rocknlight > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 13:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Mon Feb 16 13:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: <21F0706E-60AA-11D8-8219-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: I never said (or meant to say) that galena in geodes is impossible. What I meant is that the Morrocan galena geodes do not make geological sense. Galena is first of all mineral which occurs in hydrothermal veins. Geochemically it can be calculated how much galena dissolves in how much (hot) water. If you do you will find that you need quite some water to dissolve the lead sulfide enough for some decent crystals. There is no way that this amount of water was present in a small geode, nor could it perculate through the geode's wall. Generally galena has to occur in a system where a reasonable amount of hot water flows through. This does not mean that tiny galena crystals can not occur in a closed environment. They could be secondary, or there could be just enough waterflow to form them. The Moroccan geodes I was talking about have an outer rim of calcite or quartz. So there is no way for this much water to flow into (and out of) the geode to pack the geode FULL of galena!!! Hope I clearified my opinion :-) Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:01 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes Putting the premise aside, which I don't agree in as far as the supposed limitations go on the formation of a geode, I cannot think of any reason why there could not be galena in a geode. Considering that nearly all of the carbonates occur in geodes, that barite occurs in geodes, that pyrite is common in geodes, that millerite occurs in geodes, and I vaguely recall sphalerite in geodes, why not galena? Throw into that the fact that several of these minerals can be found in the same geode, it seems even more likely that the mineralogy of a geode could include galena. If a mineral can be found in rocks where geodes form with the minerals that are commonly found in geodes, there is no reason to restrict the mineralogy to a few minerals. Now if one is to go by the absolute most restrictive definition of a geode that it has to be from sedimentary rocks and that it has to have a chalcedony rind, then some of the above might not occur in "true" geodes and I would change my opinion to to be a little less positive in believing that galena could form in a geode. Regards, Lanny On Feb 15, 2004, at 10:16 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > The premise though, a vug is a cavity that is usually still being fed > with > circulation, in which the sulfide would be travelling in "solution" > (or more > likely as gaseous ions). > > But a geode is usually locked up and no more circulation would be > feeding it > to "grow" the crystals, so what grew was from the original "solution" > which > had to have the relevent elements in quantity. > > Would that be right? > > Jimmy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes > > >> Duane wrote: >>> >>> We sawed a batch of geodes from Missouri one time for a fellow and > cut >>> through a very nice sphalerite crystal.... I am wondering why, in the > right >>> area, that it wouldn't be possible to find a galena cube in a geode? >>> >> >> >> I have a chunk of galena from Italy that has a vug in it full of >> Anglesite. >> >> I have galena cubes growing out of the matrix surface from the Joplin >> District that obviously had been in a vug. >> >> I suppose you could have galena in a geode, but it must take fairly >> rare >> conditions to grow one. >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 14:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Mon Feb 16 14:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes Message-ID: <00d801c3f4dd$21418e40$95759f40@uswest.net> I wish to echo statement by Maurice about the galena fakes. I did not = suggest that a galena geode was impossible, just pointing out a singular = Moroccan example of a fancy fake. Let me describe an opposite circumstance. I was presented with a fist = sized flat piece of reddish brown jasper that had a perfect leaf design = about 2 inches long imbedded in the surface. The woman who collected = the 'rock' and brought it to me for exam assured me she had found it in = a stream bed and was sure the example she had was from the same area. = Now I ask you, a leaf fossil, a clear print, in a silicate? But = close-up lens view and further examination suggested it was indeed a = true fossil and somehow it was true to nature. I was still skeptical = until I found documentation for the location that indeed somehow the = sedimentary deposition, whatever mineral content of the original, had = been replaced with silicates, and the fossil impressions, although = scarce, had remained. =20 As I recall, a location in Australia produces very ancient Cambrian = fossils that surface weather out of a silicated sandstone. =20 So we must constantly be on a learning curve for anything, evidence is = everything. Danny Steward / Seattle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 16:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WES LINGERFELT) Date: Mon Feb 16 16:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216114051.01f65a50@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20040217005818.70454.qmail@web80310.mail.yahoo.com> I can see where you might make that mistake as the machine was in the process of being testing on an 11" ball with 7" Bell Jar reducers brazed with diamond rods. I ground off the points down to 2" circles in 30 minutes. I have finished the petrified wood ball to the point of no circles by late afternoon the same day. I recently reduced the price as I had figured on delivering one set of cups only but that would have made the price way over $2000 to get the other cup sizes. This new price would still work out to $2000 but with a full set of cups (3 diamond cups in 3 sizes). I also now have a more accurate weight for the machine. It's 238 lbs total as it sits on the table. The motors (new) are 3/4 hp each and turn at 163 RPM. The only draw back to this machine is the noise the Bell Jars make when you start out with the points still on the ball. The neighbor 2 houses down came running over to see what was being torn apart. Fortunately it only makes that much noise when first starting out until the points are gone. Cheers! Tim Fisher wrote: I saw one machine on the {quot}Equpiment{quot} page that was shown at the top, for $2000, and it looked very used. I apologize. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 17:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 16 17:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. Message-ID: I got this one off Yahoo and thought wow..... talk about a great collectors item. Here is the biggest diamond in the universe.... :-) There is a catch. Shipping is pretty high. http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407.html Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 19:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 16 19:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [rocksandfossils] Hey check out this Diamond. References: Message-ID: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> fossilnut@aol.com wrote: > > I got this one off Yahoo and thought wow..... talk about a great collectors > item. > > Here is the biggest diamond in the universe.... :-) There is a catch. > Shipping is pretty high. > > http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407.html > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE Gene, You can also find some pretty good evidence that the core of the earth is a giant crystal of iron of roughly the same size as your diamond. I wonder what crystals we will eventually find at the cores of the other planets in our solar system? Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 19:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 16 19:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <20040217005818.70454.qmail@web80310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216114051.01f65a50@mail.spiritone.com> <20040217005818.70454.qmail@web80310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216190001.01f3e6a8@mail.spiritone.com> I love those Mexican bell reducers! $7.50 at your local irrigation supply lol. At 04:58 PM 2/16/2004, you wrote: >I can see where you might make that mistake as the machine was in the >process of being testing on an 11" ball with 7" Bell Jar reducers brazed >with diamond rods. I ground off the points down to 2" circles in 30 >minutes. I have finished the petrified wood ball to the point of no >circles by late afternoon the same day. I recently reduced the price as I >had figured on delivering one set of cups only but that would have made >the price way over $2000 to get the other cup sizes. This new price would >still work out to $2000 but with a full set of cups (3 diamond cups in 3 >sizes). I also now have a more accurate weight for the machine. It's 238 >lbs total as it sits on the table. The motors (new) are 3/4 hp each and >turn at 163 RPM. The only draw back to this machine is the noise the Bell >Jars make when you start out with the points still on the ball. The >neighbor 2 houses down came running over to see what was being torn apart. >Fortunately it only makes that much noise when first st! > arting > out until the points are gone. Cheers! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 19:06:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Faceter01) Date: Mon Feb 16 19:06:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. References: Message-ID: Hmm, If you look at the artists concept, it's in the core, and already faceted too! -Ron Subject: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. > I got this one off Yahoo and thought wow..... talk about a great collectors > item. > > Here is the biggest diamond in the universe.... :-) There is a catch. > Shipping is pretty high. > > > http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407.html > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 19:42:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Feb 16 19:42:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. References: Message-ID: <40318DDE.D5C8FA31@att.net> Faceter01 wrote: > > Hmm, If you look at the artists concept, it's in the core, and already > faceted too! > Oh good heavens, I missed that the first time around. This whole article seems a little too tongue-in-cheek; anybody have any idea if this is a spoof? After looking at the drawing, I'm wondering what they were thinking when they put this release together . . . On a more serious note, what color might it be? Possibly a black diamond? (I think that is called "carbonado" in the trade). What kind of inclusions I wonder. Where would the carbon originate? I thought stars were mostly light elements, plenty of hydrogen & helium and such, all sorts of nuclear fusion reactions. Diamond Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 22:56:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Feb 16 22:56:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469AF70D-6116-11D8-A029-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> First off, most galena deposits in the world are not hydrothermal, they are of the Mississippi Valley Type. This also includes the Touissitt and Bou Beker deposits in Morocco. These form in sedimentary rocks, at temperatures as low as 50-60 deg. C and do not involve hydrothermal veins. Personally, I have not been convinced that geodes are a closed system. I see no reason to rule out the presence of galena in geodes in significant quantity when one considers that there are a lot of geodes out there that are not just a simple quartz and calcite deposit with minor pyrite. Consider the Halls Gap geodes with chalcedony and quartz rinds and sometimes packed with millerite. That Ni sulfide is a lot less common than Pb sulfide. Consider the large number of quartz geodes loaded with calcite and with a significant sprinkling of pyrite or marcasite. If under any open or closed system a geode can contain chalcedonic quartz, quartz crystals, calcite or other carbonate and pyrite crystals, I find it rather difficult to believe we have to rule out a significant amount of galena. I'm not saying that there are any Moroccan geodes with a number of large galena crystals, or that there are even any with one small galena cube, only that the arguments against them that I've read on this forum are not convincing. Lanny On Feb 16, 2004, at 1:41 PM, Maurice de Graaf wrote: > I never said (or meant to say) that galena in geodes is impossible. > What I > meant is that the Morrocan galena geodes do not make geological sense. > Galena is first of all mineral which occurs in hydrothermal veins. > Geochemically it can be calculated how much galena dissolves in how > much > (hot) water. If you do you will find that you need quite some water to > dissolve the lead sulfide enough for some decent crystals. There is no > way > that this amount of water was present in a small geode, nor could it > perculate through the geode's wall. Generally galena has to occur in a > system where a reasonable amount of hot water flows through. This does > not > mean that tiny galena crystals can not occur in a closed environment. > They > could be secondary, or there could be just enough waterflow to form > them. > The Moroccan geodes I was talking about have an outer rim of calcite or > quartz. So there is no way for this much water to flow into (and out > of) the > geode to pack the geode FULL of galena!!! > > Hope I clearified my opinion :-) > > Cheers, > Maurice > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 16 23:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Feb 16 23:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <40318DDE.D5C8FA31@att.net> Message-ID: I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the article was supposed to appear in the April edition (April Fools Day?) :-) But remember, there were articles and "artist's depictions" of blackholes in science journals 50 years ago, so... you never know... :) Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:43 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. Faceter01 wrote: > > Hmm, If you look at the artists concept, it's in the core, and already > faceted too! > Oh good heavens, I missed that the first time around. This whole article seems a little too tongue-in-cheek; anybody have any idea if this is a spoof? After looking at the drawing, I'm wondering what they were thinking when they put this release together . . . On a more serious note, what color might it be? Possibly a black diamond? (I think that is called "carbonado" in the trade). What kind of inclusions I wonder. Where would the carbon originate? I thought stars were mostly light elements, plenty of hydrogen & helium and such, all sorts of nuclear fusion reactions. Diamond Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 02:14:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 17 02:14:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: [Orchid] Galaxy's Largest Diamond References: <20040216162006.37A3AEA9D17@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <005e01c3f53e$b1316e10$949e77d5@axel> Margaret, You wrote: > A diamond has been found that is 10 billion trillion trillion > carats, or 2,500 miles across. Check it out: Bring it to Antwerp (11 Km from where I live)... we know what to do with diamonds! It's a shame that really small stars end their cycle of nuclear reactions with carbon. Didn't you need some nitrogen triplets replacing carbon atoms to get a nice blue fluorescence (blue-white diamonds)... or was it boron? I always confuse the two. Anyway, without any additions to spice up the color or fluorescence it's just a white, very very pure diamond ;-))) I wonder if the crushing pressure at the center of the white dwarf would allow the atoms to crystallize in the cubic system. Aren't there more compact ways to organize atoms. Another problem: at the center of the star, matter would be in a degenerated state. Most electrons would be freed from their atoms and moving frantically at relativistic speeds to withstand gravity. That stuff would thus be an electrical conductor. Diamond, however, is an electrical insulator (it could never fluoresce if it weren't). I wouldn't place to high a bid on that "diamond" yet, it may be flawed (LOL) Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Malm" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: [Orchid] Galaxy's Largest Diamond > I thought this might interest you! > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-orchid@ganoksin.com [mailto:owner-orchid@ganoksin.com] On Behalf > Of E. Luther > > > A diamond has been found that is 10 billion trillion trillion > carats, or 2,500 miles across. Check it out: > > Article at http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407.html > > Picture (artist's conception) at > http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0407image.html > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 03:22:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Tue Feb 17 03:22:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: <469AF70D-6116-11D8-A029-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Hi Lanny (the rest probably fell asleep long time ago :-)) ) You might have a point with MVT deposits. I do not know the fine details of it's geochemistry. I only know that in those systems metals are transported as sulfates and chlorides, until they are precipitated by sulfides from natural gas and oil, or sulfides from within the limestone itself. Apparently for some reason the precipitation of carbonates is prevented somehow. If I go into the risky path of scientific assumption, here is one: 1) I see sphalerite, pyrite, millerite and perhaps chalcopyrite in geodes. But never (rarely) see galena in geodes. (If we all seen it we did not have this discussion :-) ) 2) regular salts like chlorides and sulfates play a significant role in the formation of MVT deposits. 3) Zn, Ni, Fe and Cu sulfates are soluble in water. Lead sulfate is not. These three observations make a sound hypothesis why we have this discussion and why galena does not or only very rarely occurs in geodes :-) BTW I think MVT deposits are the main source of galena in the US, but here in Europe MVT deposits are not that common and classic veins are much more common. Maybe together with skarns as source of Galena. In Europe I can only think of Lavrion and maybe some zinc deposits in Silezia as possible MVT deposits. Bottom line of the discussion is -be carefull with galena geodes- :-) Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:56 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes First off, most galena deposits in the world are not hydrothermal, they are of the Mississippi Valley Type. This also includes the Touissitt and Bou Beker deposits in Morocco. These form in sedimentary rocks, at temperatures as low as 50-60 deg. C and do not involve hydrothermal veins. Personally, I have not been convinced that geodes are a closed system. I see no reason to rule out the presence of galena in geodes in significant quantity when one considers that there are a lot of geodes out there that are not just a simple quartz and calcite deposit with minor pyrite. Consider the Halls Gap geodes with chalcedony and quartz rinds and sometimes packed with millerite. That Ni sulfide is a lot less common than Pb sulfide. Consider the large number of quartz geodes loaded with calcite and with a significant sprinkling of pyrite or marcasite. If under any open or closed system a geode can contain chalcedonic quartz, quartz crystals, calcite or other carbonate and pyrite crystals, I find it rather difficult to believe we have to rule out a significant amount of galena. I'm not saying that there are any Moroccan geodes with a number of large galena crystals, or that there are even any with one small galena cube, only that the arguments against them that I've read on this forum are not convincing. Lanny On Feb 16, 2004, at 1:41 PM, Maurice de Graaf wrote: > I never said (or meant to say) that galena in geodes is impossible. > What I > meant is that the Morrocan galena geodes do not make geological sense. > Galena is first of all mineral which occurs in hydrothermal veins. > Geochemically it can be calculated how much galena dissolves in how > much > (hot) water. If you do you will find that you need quite some water to > dissolve the lead sulfide enough for some decent crystals. There is no > way > that this amount of water was present in a small geode, nor could it > perculate through the geode's wall. Generally galena has to occur in a > system where a reasonable amount of hot water flows through. This does > not > mean that tiny galena crystals can not occur in a closed environment. > They > could be secondary, or there could be just enough waterflow to form > them. > The Moroccan geodes I was talking about have an outer rim of calcite or > quartz. So there is no way for this much water to flow into (and out > of) the > geode to pack the geode FULL of galena!!! > > Hope I clearified my opinion :-) > > Cheers, > Maurice > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 07:43:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Feb 17 07:43:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hotel Cards Warning In-Reply-To: <001301c3f286$6c3d4500$1a5204d0@jim> Message-ID: <001a01c3f56c$98deb0b0$6501a8c0@moose> To those folks staying in Hotels in Tucson (or wherever). My sweetie saw a report on NPR the other day that I found interesting. Know those handy-dandy room cards you get instead of REAL keys? Guess what... When they make 'em they often have ALL your credit card information, address, and other goodies encoded in the mag strip. Nasty People have been know to score the cards and use a reader to get at the data. Sooooo... Cut or shred the cards. NEVER leave them in your room. Regards, GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 07:51:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jolyon Ralph) Date: Tue Feb 17 07:51:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hotel Cards Warning In-Reply-To: <001a01c3f56c$98deb0b0$6501a8c0@moose> References: <001a01c3f56c$98deb0b0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <1077031990.40323436e7d7f@mail.mways.co.uk> This is a myth - check out: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_hotel_keycards.htm So don't leave the door keys in your room, or you won't be able to get back in :-) But don't worry about privacy. Jolyon Quoting Gary Brown : > To those folks staying in Hotels in Tucson (or wherever). My sweetie saw a > report on NPR the other day that I found interesting. Know those > handy-dandy room cards you get instead of REAL keys? Guess what... When > they make 'em they often have ALL your credit card information, address, and > other goodies encoded in the mag strip. Nasty People have been know to > score the cards and use a reader to get at the data. Sooooo... Cut or shred > the cards. NEVER leave them in your room. > > Regards, > GcB > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 08:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Feb 17 08:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hotel Cards Warning In-Reply-To: <1077031990.40323436e7d7f@mail.mways.co.uk> Message-ID: <001f01c3f56f$244284e0$6501a8c0@moose> <> and I'M the one usually pointing out this stuff. Oh horrors! If you can't trust the word from a 3d grade teacher (the aforementioned "sweetie"), what hope is there in the world!!! I'd write more, but I'm off to drive my station wagon with my dead aunt wrapped up in the rug on the roof and the hook in the door-frame to the airport so I can catch a plane to Nigeria. I'm going to be a millionaire after I help out My Good Friend there! Embarrassingly your, GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jolyon Ralph > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:33 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hotel Cards Warning > > > This is a myth - check out: > > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_hotel_keycards.htm > > So don't leave the door keys in your room, or you won't be > able to get back in > :-) But don't worry about privacy. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 08:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Feb 17 08:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hotel Cards Warning Message-ID: <021720041606.27217.39cf@att.net> The really shocking thing is that it was reported on NPR!!! This isn't the first time I've heard urban legends reported as news. Whatever happened to validating sources? Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 08:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jon) Date: Tue Feb 17 08:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> > > >You can also find some pretty good evidence that the core of the earth >is a giant crystal of iron of roughly the same size as your diamond. > >I wonder what crystals we will eventually find at the cores of the >other planets in our solar system? > >Kreigh > > > That giant carbon xtal is apparently the core of a white dwarf star, so they speculate. So there should be zillions of others around the galaxies. As to what would be at the cores of the planets, the magnetic fields provide one clue. The division of the rocky planets and the gaseous giants is another. One could speculate that the core of Jupiter is a hydrogen xtal. Hmm...would Mercury contain all the "lights" of the original cloud, or the "heavies" that managed to accelerate via gravity close to the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant silicate? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 08:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jon) Date: Tue Feb 17 08:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: <469AF70D-6116-11D8-A029-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> References: <469AF70D-6116-11D8-A029-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <4032438E.6060204@hal-pc.org> Lanny wrote: > Consider the large number of quartz geodes loaded with calcite and > with a significant sprinkling of pyrite or marcasite. If under any > open or closed system a geode can contain chalcedonic quartz, quartz > crystals, calcite or other carbonate and pyrite crystals, I find it > rather difficult to believe we have to rule out a significant amount > of galena. > > I'm not saying that there are any Moroccan geodes with a number of > large galena crystals, or that there are even any with one small > galena cube, only that the arguments against them that I've read on > this forum are not convincing. > > Lanny The chief argument would seem to be that they haven't been found, or if they have, they are quite rare as opposed to the calcite or sphalerite types. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 09:08:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Keim) Date: Tue Feb 17 09:08:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD:Tucson Minerals Message-ID: <52FBC15B5C9CDB49A0C6C849BFCA07CC016EF756@msa-ex1.am.int.amec.com> Hi List, Anyone interested in viewing or purchasing minerals from this years Tucson show can see some of what was offered at www.marinmineral.com/tucson2004.html I have not yet finished posting all of what I acquired, and even then it will only represent a small fraction of the many great minerals that were available there. I hope some of you will find it interesting. Thanks, Mike Keim The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Its contents (including any attachments) are confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient you must not use, disclose, disseminate, copy or print its contents. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete and destroy the message. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 10:37:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Feb 17 10:37:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D9646C2-6178-11D8-A029-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Maurice, I'm not the geochemist to agree or disagree with what you write. I was only disagreeing with the previous statements about galena being only a hydrothermal mineral, and with geodes being a closed system. My premise is that galena is deposited in low temperature sedimentary environments, thus it is probable that it can be deposited in geodes. Also, my memory of the process of development of the MSVT ore deposits does not include deposition caused by petroleum type products. Although, even if true, considering the environment could be the same in a geode bed, I don't see why that would be a problem. You've lost me again with the statement at the bottom of your first paragraph that the precipitation of carbonates is prevented. MSVT deposits are loaded with calcite and dolomite along with the galena and other sulfides. Lanny On Feb 17, 2004, at 3:21 AM, Maurice de Graaf wrote: > Hi Lanny (the rest probably fell asleep long time ago :-)) ) > > You might have a point with MVT deposits. I do not know the fine > details of > it's geochemistry. I only know that in those systems metals are > transported > as sulfates and chlorides, until they are precipitated by sulfides from > natural gas and oil, or sulfides from within the limestone itself. > Apparently for some reason the precipitation of carbonates is prevented > somehow. > > If I go into the risky path of scientific assumption, here is one: > > 1) I see sphalerite, pyrite, millerite and perhaps chalcopyrite in > geodes. > But never (rarely) see galena in geodes. (If we all seen it we did not > have > this discussion :-) ) > > 2) regular salts like chlorides and sulfates play a significant role > in the > formation of MVT deposits. > > 3) Zn, Ni, Fe and Cu sulfates are soluble in water. Lead sulfate is > not. > > These three observations make a sound hypothesis why we have this > discussion > and why galena does not or only very rarely occurs in geodes :-) > > BTW I think MVT deposits are the main source of galena in the US, but > here > in Europe MVT deposits are not that common and classic veins are much > more > common. Maybe together with skarns as source of Galena. In Europe I > can only > think of Lavrion and maybe some zinc deposits in Silezia as possible > MVT > deposits. > > Bottom line of the discussion is -be carefull with galena geodes- :-) > > Cheers, > Maurice > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:56 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena Fakes > > > First off, most galena deposits in the world are not hydrothermal, they > are of the Mississippi Valley Type. This also includes the Touissitt > and Bou Beker deposits in Morocco. These form in sedimentary rocks, at > temperatures as low as 50-60 deg. C and do not involve hydrothermal > veins. > > Personally, I have not been convinced that geodes are a closed system. > I see no reason to rule out the presence of galena in geodes in > significant quantity when one considers that there are a lot of geodes > out there that are not just a simple quartz and calcite deposit with > minor pyrite. Consider the Halls Gap geodes with chalcedony and quartz > rinds and sometimes packed with millerite. That Ni sulfide is a lot > less common than Pb sulfide. Consider the large number of quartz geodes > loaded with calcite and with a significant sprinkling of pyrite or > marcasite. If under any open or closed system a geode can contain > chalcedonic quartz, quartz crystals, calcite or other carbonate and > pyrite crystals, I find it rather difficult to believe we have to rule > out a significant amount of galena. > > I'm not saying that there are any Moroccan geodes with a number of > large galena crystals, or that there are even any with one small galena > cube, only that the arguments against them that I've read on this forum > are not convincing. > > Lanny > > > > > On Feb 16, 2004, at 1:41 PM, Maurice de Graaf wrote: > >> I never said (or meant to say) that galena in geodes is impossible. >> What I >> meant is that the Morrocan galena geodes do not make geological sense. >> Galena is first of all mineral which occurs in hydrothermal veins. >> Geochemically it can be calculated how much galena dissolves in how >> much >> (hot) water. If you do you will find that you need quite some water to >> dissolve the lead sulfide enough for some decent crystals. There is no >> way >> that this amount of water was present in a small geode, nor could it >> perculate through the geode's wall. Generally galena has to occur in a >> system where a reasonable amount of hot water flows through. This does >> not >> mean that tiny galena crystals can not occur in a closed environment. >> They >> could be secondary, or there could be just enough waterflow to form >> them. >> The Moroccan geodes I was talking about have an outer rim of calcite >> or >> quartz. So there is no way for this much water to flow into (and out >> of) the >> geode to pack the geode FULL of galena!!! >> >> Hope I clearified my opinion :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Maurice >> > ****************************************** > Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index > Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News > www. LRReam.com > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 11:59:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Tue Feb 17 11:59:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Merchant Accounts (was Paypal) References: <16620836.1076702829655.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <4.3.1.0.20040213155952.00bed008@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <001801c3f590$5e057ea0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Dear Duane and all, Have only used PayPal for a month but found enough customer services issues in that time to avoid using them for receiving payments in the future. The website you cited was excellent if a little excitable, as were the many links available. All point to a severe if not catastrophic problem with their company - not the least of which is there documentation of how their process works. I will avoid them in the future except to make international payments. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Merchant Accounts (was Paypal) > At 01:34 PM 2/13/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > I used pay-pal for two years, did not have a problem. Got scared after > going to a site, pay-pal warning.com?, > and now take bank check, personal check, and money orders. BTW I sell > mostly old books, ephemera, and the occasional copy of History of Mt. Mica > ):>.... with best wishes, Duane > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 14:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> Jon, you ALMOST were stopped by my Spam-filter (LOL) > to accelerate (via gra)vity close to the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant silicate? Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > > > >You can also find some pretty good evidence that the core of the earth > >is a giant crystal of iron of roughly the same size as your diamond. > > > >I wonder what crystals we will eventually find at the cores of the > >other planets in our solar system? > > > >Kreigh > > > > > > > That giant carbon xtal is apparently the core of a white dwarf star, so > they speculate. > So there should be zillions of others around the galaxies. As to what > would be at the cores of the planets, the magnetic fields provide one > clue. The division of the rocky planets and the gaseous giants is > another. One could speculate that the core of Jupiter is a hydrogen > xtal. Hmm...would Mercury contain all the "lights" of the original > cloud, or the "heavies" that managed to accelerate via gravity close to > the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant silicate? > > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 17:18:56 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Feb 17 17:18:56 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: Well, not to throw water on a nice story. But whatever this material is, it isn't diamond as we know it. The core of a white dwarf is degenerate matter, you know the stuff where one teapoon full weighs multiple tons. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of jon > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:29 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > > > > > >You can also find some pretty good evidence that the core of the earth > >is a giant crystal of iron of roughly the same size as your diamond. > > > >I wonder what crystals we will eventually find at the cores of the > >other planets in our solar system? > > > >Kreigh > > > > > > > That giant carbon xtal is apparently the core of a white dwarf star, so > they speculate. > So there should be zillions of others around the galaxies. As to what > would be at the cores of the planets, the magnetic fields provide one > clue. The division of the rocky planets and the gaseous giants is > another. One could speculate that the core of Jupiter is a hydrogen > xtal. Hmm...would Mercury contain all the "lights" of the original > cloud, or the "heavies" that managed to accelerate via gravity close to > the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant silicate? > > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 18:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Feb 17 18:33:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver Mines on the History Channel 10:00 tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402180231.i1I2Vjko084402@mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net> from TV Guide The economic, social and industrial impact of silver mines. Included: the Comstock Lode near Virginia City, Nev., which made millionaires of a few and took the lives of hundreds of miners.Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 18:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Feb 17 18:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver Mines on the History Channel 10:00 tonight In-Reply-To: <200402180231.i1I2Vjko084402@mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <003a01c3f5cb$01231b30$6501a8c0@moose> Darn, wish I had that channel! My great-grandmother ran a laundry there. She made the family fortune (lost in the crash of the late 90's!) "mining" the gunk that she washed out of the miner's clothes. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tommy Armstrong > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:36 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver Mines on the History Channel > 10:00 tonight > > > from TV Guide > The economic, social and industrial impact of silver mines. > Included: the Comstock Lode near Virginia City, Nev., which > made millionaires of a few and took the lives of hundreds of > miners.Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rock> hounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 20:54:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Tue Feb 17 20:54:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virginia City! Message-ID: <002201c3f5dc$60242e60$d2611943@uswest.net> Virginia City Nevada is one of the great places to visit in the west. A = true 3 dimensional relic from the old days. A must see for anyone who = wants a viewpoint about an old mining town. Some years ago I was asked = to jury a summertime art show and was put up in the old hotel and = guested with the "Lincoln Bedroom" where many famous (and some infamous) = had spent the night. What an experience! Although the town is only a = fragment of what it used to be in the old mining days, exhibits and = tours offer a glimpse of atmosphere of the wild west and the treasure of = the Comstock Lode. Danny Steward / Seattle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 17 21:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Feb 17 21:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver Mines In-Reply-To: <200402180231.i1I2Vjko084402@mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200402180522.i1I5MDDK028039@mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net> I thought it was pretty well done and Gary, you can buy a copy from the history channel website--I think they advertised it for 24.95 or something like that. I had no idea the impact on modern mining that mine had. And never knew about the Mark Twain connection to the silver mine. I'm glad he left to become a writer instead of staying behind the bar. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tommy Armstrong > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:36 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver Mines on the History Channel > 10:00 tonight > > from TV Guide > The economic, social and industrial impact of silver mines. > Included: the Comstock Lode near Virginia City, Nev., which > made millionaires of a few and took the lives of hundreds of > miners.Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 01:23:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Feb 18 01:23:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: Message-ID: <002401c3f600$cb3de550$8d9f77d5@axel> Hi Brian, I 'd like an astronomers view on this (are you there Bill? Kitty?) but I think you 're right. Funny thing is that if you were to succeed in getting your teaspoon of matter from the core, it would probably deep-fry you in a few microseconds. Let me explain my theory: In degenerate matter, the atomic nuclei are "swimming" in a soup of electrons. These electrons are moving very fast and it is this movement that exerts enough counterforce to prevent the star from collapsing after the nuclear furnace died. How heavier the star, how faster the electrons have to move. Speed of light being the upper limit for any movement in the cosmos (tunneling effects excluded), the electrons can withstand the gravity in white dwarfs up to roughly 1.4 times the mass of our sun (Chandrasekars limit). Now, should you extract your teaspoon of matter and survive the violent expantion of the matter to a volume that is a few million times the original size, there are quite a few effects that may irritate you slightly to death... First, any change in direction of a moving electron causes synchrotron radiation (any loaded particle shakes off the energy it looses as photons. Changing direction is loosing energy). All the loose electrons from your teaspoon will fly of, steered by the powerful magnetic field of both the nearby dwarf and the matter from your teaspoon. They have to follow the magnetic field lines, changing directions constantly and therefore they radiate). That alone may cause enough UV and X-rays to give you a nice tan, also on the inside. Then the electrons and carbon nuclei will recombine with a phosphorescence of which the likes have never been seen. Electrons that recombine with the carbon K-alpha orbit will emit copious hard X-rays, keeping your vaporized carbon cloud (that came from your teaspoon) exited and glowing for some time. Then, as the other electrons recombine and fill up the energy levels of the carbon atoms, the X-rays wil become longer in wavelength and more UV and visible light will emerge from the cloud. At least, that's what I think (LOL) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > Well, not to throw water on a nice story. But whatever this material is, it > isn't diamond as we know it. The core of a white dwarf is degenerate matter, > you know the stuff where one teapoon full weighs multiple tons. > > Bryan > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the > sake of the latter." > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of jon > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:29 > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > > > > > > > > > > >You can also find some pretty good evidence that the core of the earth > > >is a giant crystal of iron of roughly the same size as your diamond. > > > > > >I wonder what crystals we will eventually find at the cores of the > > >other planets in our solar system? > > > > > >Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > That giant carbon xtal is apparently the core of a white dwarf star, so > > they speculate. > > So there should be zillions of others around the galaxies. As to what > > would be at the cores of the planets, the magnetic fields provide one > > clue. The division of the rocky planets and the gaseous giants is > > another. One could speculate that the core of Jupiter is a hydrogen > > xtal. Hmm...would Mercury contain all the "lights" of the original > > cloud, or the "heavies" that managed to accelerate via gravity close to > > the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant silicate? > > > > > > john > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 08:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jon) Date: Wed Feb 18 08:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> Message-ID: <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >Jon, you ALMOST were stopped by my Spam-filter (LOL) > > > >>to accelerate (via gra)vity close to the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant >> >> >silicate? > >Axel > Jeepers Creepers! What will advertising get us into next? Your speculation about what would happen to our white-dwarf "diamond" is probably close to the truth for the main line stars. Someone wondered about the presence of inclusions. Our star has certainly been wandering around it's galaxy for 5 billion years or more. Along the way it has surely swept in debris and garbage along the way, and anything heavier than Carbon would not participate in the fusion cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or less uniformly. Now imagine that our star is small enough to collapse, but not all the way to a total degenerate-matter state, something somewhat larger than a brown dwarf. I can imagine an interlocked mass of xtals of various sizes and forms of Carbon along with unburned lesser elements of the fusion cycle; in other words a big mess. It would also have lots of free electrons so the lightning show could be pretty nice. If the star were to be broken up by collision with an object of roughly the same size, there would be a nice explosion (not nuclear) and some of the fragments could survive of bits and pieces of zoned "diamond" of various grades and with (trace?) inclusions of anything up to Uranium (if our star happened to travel through the remnents of a supernova). Do such fragments exist in our own Asteroid Belt? Probably not as nothing suggesting them has been observed. Nor have any "curiosities" like them been found on Earth...or have they? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 12:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Wed Feb 18 12:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virginia City! Message-ID: The show on the History Channel last night was great. Even though I missed the first showing, it was on again at 11:00 pacific. (I love Tivo!) My newsletter editor has been bugging me to do an article and no one in our club has heard of the Sutro Tunnel, so I'm off to do more research! Thanks for the tip on the show! Dawn > >Virginia City Nevada is one of the great places to visit in the west. A >true 3 dimensional relic from the old days. A must see for anyone who >wants a viewpoint about an old mining town. Some years ago I was asked to >jury a summertime art show and was put up in the old hotel and guested with >the "Lincoln Bedroom" where many famous (and some infamous) had spent the >night. What an experience! Although the town is only a fragment of what >it used to be in the old mining days, exhibits and tours offer a glimpse of >atmosphere of the wild west and the treasure of the Comstock Lode. > >Danny Steward / Seattle > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 13:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> Interesting thought experiment, John ;-))) however, any star that has fusion cannot be much smaller than 1/10th our sun. Such stars are incredibly economic with their fuel so they could be as old as the universe and still young and burning. Those population II stars (as they are called, I think I believe I vaguely remember ;-)))) have no heavy elements. They started with about 3/4 hydrogen and 1/4 helium and they can't make anything heavier than carbon. They could pick up some heavy elements on their voyage through the galaxy but that would be rather small amounts. I ' d rather think (though I'm not sure) that stars get some heavy elements when they condense out of a globule that is swept together by the shockwave of a supernova remnant. The matter of the cloud is then fractionated by the radiation pressure, gravity, rotation, and other processes not fully understood.... > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or > less uniformly. If I remember correctly, carbon settles in the stars core while helium burns to carbin in a shell around that core. Further away from the core there is a shell of hydrogen fusing to helium. I don't think that these elements are prone to any serious convection . Again, I may be wrong ;-))) Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Jon, you ALMOST were stopped by my Spam-filter (LOL) > > > > > > > >>to accelerate (via gra)vity close to the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant > >> > >> > >silicate? > > > >Axel > > > Jeepers Creepers! What will advertising get us into next? > > Your speculation about what would happen to our white-dwarf "diamond" is > probably close to the truth for the main line stars. > > Someone wondered about the presence of inclusions. Our star has > certainly been wandering around it's galaxy for 5 billion years or more. > Along the way it has surely swept in debris and garbage along the way, > and anything heavier than Carbon would not participate in the fusion > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or > less uniformly. > > Now imagine that our star is small enough to collapse, but not all the > way to a total degenerate-matter state, something somewhat larger than a > brown dwarf. I can imagine an interlocked mass of xtals of various > sizes and forms of Carbon along with unburned lesser elements of the > fusion cycle; in other words a big mess. It would also have lots of > free electrons so the lightning show could be pretty nice. If the star > were to be broken up by collision with an object of roughly the same > size, there would be a nice explosion (not nuclear) and some of the > fragments could survive of bits and pieces of zoned "diamond" of various > grades and with (trace?) inclusions of anything up to Uranium (if our > star happened to travel through the remnents of a supernova). Do such > fragments exist in our own Asteroid Belt? Probably not as nothing > suggesting them has been observed. Nor have any "curiosities" like them > been found on Earth...or have they? > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 14:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saas-Fee on strahlen.org Message-ID: <003f01c3f66b$4a540620$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all, Dominik Schl=E4fli mailded me a set of landscape and mineral-pics of the = interesting Saas-Fee region, Switzerland And we all know he is very good in shooting pics ;-) !! See: http://www.strahlen.org/vp/ch/saas/=20 Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 14:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hey check out this Diamond. Message-ID: <82.59fd768.2d653f9d@aol.com> I presumed that was just for "Public Consumption" . In a message dated 2/16/2004 10:06:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, faceter01@hotmail.com writes: Hmm, If you look at the artists concept, it's in the core, and already faceted too! -Ron --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 15:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 18 15:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> Message-ID: New Scientist has a more technical description of the findings: "Researchers compared models of the crystal core to the observations to determine that 90 per cent of the white dwarf's mass, similar to that of the Sun, appears to be a giant, single crystal. But the crystal, which has been likened to a diamond, is in fact unlike any known on Earth. The pressure inside the white dwarf is a million million times the pressure that produces diamonds. This pressure strips electrons from the atoms, leaving the nuclei to form a crystal lattice surrounded by a sea of electrons" http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994692 Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 16:46 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > Interesting thought experiment, John ;-))) > > however, any star that has fusion cannot be much smaller than 1/10th our > sun. Such stars are incredibly economic with their fuel so they > could be as > old as the universe and still young and burning. Those population II stars > (as they are called, I think I believe I vaguely remember ;-)))) have no > heavy elements. They started with about 3/4 hydrogen and 1/4 > helium and they > can't make anything heavier than carbon. They could pick up some heavy > elements on their voyage through the galaxy but that would be rather small > amounts. > I ' d rather think (though I'm not sure) that stars get some > heavy elements > when they condense out of a globule that is swept together by the > shockwave > of a supernova remnant. The matter of the cloud is then > fractionated by the > radiation pressure, gravity, rotation, and other processes not fully > understood.... > > > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or > > less uniformly. > > If I remember correctly, carbon settles in the stars core while > helium burns > to carbin in a shell around that core. Further away from the core > there is a > shell of hydrogen fusing to helium. I don't think that these elements are > prone to any serious convection . Again, I may be wrong ;-))) > > Cheers > > Axel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jon" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > >Jon, you ALMOST were stopped by my Spam-filter (LOL) > > > > > > > > > > > >>to accelerate (via gra)vity close to the Sun? And what of > Mars? A giant > > >> > > >> > > >silicate? > > > > > >Axel > > > > > Jeepers Creepers! What will advertising get us into next? > > > > Your speculation about what would happen to our white-dwarf "diamond" is > > probably close to the truth for the main line stars. > > > > Someone wondered about the presence of inclusions. Our star has > > certainly been wandering around it's galaxy for 5 billion years or more. > > Along the way it has surely swept in debris and garbage along the way, > > and anything heavier than Carbon would not participate in the fusion > > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or > > less uniformly. > > > > Now imagine that our star is small enough to collapse, but not all the > > way to a total degenerate-matter state, something somewhat larger than a > > brown dwarf. I can imagine an interlocked mass of xtals of various > > sizes and forms of Carbon along with unburned lesser elements of the > > fusion cycle; in other words a big mess. It would also have lots of > > free electrons so the lightning show could be pretty nice. If the star > > were to be broken up by collision with an object of roughly the same > > size, there would be a nice explosion (not nuclear) and some of the > > fragments could survive of bits and pieces of zoned "diamond" of various > > grades and with (trace?) inclusions of anything up to Uranium (if our > > star happened to travel through the remnents of a supernova). Do such > > fragments exist in our own Asteroid Belt? Probably not as nothing > > suggesting them has been observed. Nor have any "curiosities" like them > > been found on Earth...or have they? > > > > john > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 17:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Conroy) Date: Wed Feb 18 17:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals and antiquities act References: <82.59fd768.2d653f9d@aol.com> Message-ID: <006201c3f687$109abca0$2f8d4a0c@kcmins> Hi! I have a question that pertains to the Minerals and Antiquities Act. The Grand View Mine, Grand Canyon National Park, Horseshoe Mesa, Cape Royal, Coconino County, Arizona was once a noted producer of some fine specimens. Since it is now in a National Park, what is the policy on selling specimens that came from the mine? All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 17:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Feb 18 17:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals and antiquities act References: <82.59fd768.2d653f9d@aol.com> <006201c3f687$109abca0$2f8d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <4034118B.932D188B@att.net> Kevin Conroy wrote: > > I have a question that pertains to the Minerals and Antiquities Act. The > Grand View Mine, Grand Canyon National Park, Horseshoe Mesa, Cape Royal, > Coconino County, Arizona was once a noted producer of some fine specimens. > Since it is now in a National Park, what is the policy on selling specimens > that came from the mine? Do you mean specimens that came out before it was part of the park, or specimens that have been appearing recently and seem quite fresh? I've been wondering about that myself. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 17:36:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Conroy) Date: Wed Feb 18 17:36:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals and antiquities act References: <82.59fd768.2d653f9d@aol.com> <006201c3f687$109abca0$2f8d4a0c@kcmins> <4034118B.932D188B@att.net> Message-ID: <008501c3f688$c74cf340$2f8d4a0c@kcmins> Don, The specimen I have has a German label dated '71. I'm assuming (usually a bad thing) that this is 1971, but I don't really know when it was collected. Thanks! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] minerals and antiquities act > Kevin Conroy wrote: > > > > I have a question that pertains to the Minerals and Antiquities Act. The > > Grand View Mine, Grand Canyon National Park, Horseshoe Mesa, Cape Royal, > > Coconino County, Arizona was once a noted producer of some fine specimens. > > Since it is now in a National Park, what is the policy on selling specimens > > that came from the mine? > > > Do you mean specimens that came out before it was part of the park, or > specimens that have been appearing recently and seem quite fresh? I've > been wondering about that myself. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 17:54:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Feb 18 17:54:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals and antiquities act References: <82.59fd768.2d653f9d@aol.com> <006201c3f687$109abca0$2f8d4a0c@kcmins> <4034118B.932D188B@att.net> <008501c3f688$c74cf340$2f8d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <40341765.22DE61E8@att.net> Kevin Conroy wrote: > > Don, > > The specimen I have has a German label dated '71. I'm assuming (usually a > bad thing) that this is 1971, but I don't really know when it was collected. Well all tongue-in-cheek observations aside, that remains a good question. You should be able to find out from the National Park system when that mine was made a part of the park. Here comes the old "I am not a lawyer but..." statement: one would imagine that specimens collected while the mine was not Federal property are fine to sell, but then again laws regarding minerals & fossils never seem to weigh in the collector's favor (just look at the recent proposed laws). You might try e-mailing a query to the American Federation of Mineralogical Societies; they might be able to refer to actual statues that cover your situation. Good luck, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 17:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 18 17:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> Message-ID: <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> It is my understanding that most of the energy from a star comes from simple proton-proton fusion. This causes one proton to turn into a neutron, emitting a positron and a nutrino. The positron then annihilates with a free electron, releasing two gamma rays. It takes the pressure of over 13,000,000 degrees C before the protons get pushed close enough to fuse. The energy from the basic proton-proton fusion then provides the energy needed to make the other minor reactions that make the next few heaver elements. If the temperature/pressure get above 15M degrees C the carbon cycle, which uses carbon and nitrogen as catylists to convert hydrogen to helium, becomes predominent. To get the heavier elements (including nitrogen, which is usually not considered very heavy) you need the star to blow up in a super-nova. Our minerals are made from stardust. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Interesting thought experiment, John ;-))) > > however, any star that has fusion cannot be much smaller than 1/10th our > sun. Such stars are incredibly economic with their fuel so they could be as > old as the universe and still young and burning. Those population II stars > (as they are called, I think I believe I vaguely remember ;-)))) have no > heavy elements. They started with about 3/4 hydrogen and 1/4 helium and they > can't make anything heavier than carbon. They could pick up some heavy > elements on their voyage through the galaxy but that would be rather small > amounts. > I ' d rather think (though I'm not sure) that stars get some heavy elements > when they condense out of a globule that is swept together by the shockwave > of a supernova remnant. The matter of the cloud is then fractionated by the > radiation pressure, gravity, rotation, and other processes not fully > understood.... > > > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or > > less uniformly. > > If I remember correctly, carbon settles in the stars core while helium burns > to carbin in a shell around that core. Further away from the core there is a > shell of hydrogen fusing to helium. I don't think that these elements are > prone to any serious convection . Again, I may be wrong ;-))) > > Cheers > > Axel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jon" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > >Jon, you ALMOST were stopped by my Spam-filter (LOL) > > > > > > > > > > > >>to accelerate (via gra)vity close to the Sun? And what of Mars? A giant > > >> > > >> > > >silicate? > > > > > >Axel > > > > > Jeepers Creepers! What will advertising get us into next? > > > > Your speculation about what would happen to our white-dwarf "diamond" is > > probably close to the truth for the main line stars. > > > > Someone wondered about the presence of inclusions. Our star has > > certainly been wandering around it's galaxy for 5 billion years or more. > > Along the way it has surely swept in debris and garbage along the way, > > and anything heavier than Carbon would not participate in the fusion > > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute them more or > > less uniformly. > > > > Now imagine that our star is small enough to collapse, but not all the > > way to a total degenerate-matter state, something somewhat larger than a > > brown dwarf. I can imagine an interlocked mass of xtals of various > > sizes and forms of Carbon along with unburned lesser elements of the > > fusion cycle; in other words a big mess. It would also have lots of > > free electrons so the lightning show could be pretty nice. If the star > > were to be broken up by collision with an object of roughly the same > > size, there would be a nice explosion (not nuclear) and some of the > > fragments could survive of bits and pieces of zoned "diamond" of various > > grades and with (trace?) inclusions of anything up to Uranium (if our > > star happened to travel through the remnents of a supernova). Do such > > fragments exist in our own Asteroid Belt? Probably not as nothing > > suggesting them has been observed. Nor have any "curiosities" like them > > been found on Earth...or have they? > > > > john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 18:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 18 18:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I believe, IIRC that main sequence stars work their way thru a series of higher energy and temperature reactions until they eventually form iron, from that point some massive stars will proceed to a supernova. The reactions inside a supernova form elements up to Californium. I think there was some thought that the luminosity curve of some super novas match the decay curve of whatever Cf isotope (Cf-254 maybe) is involved. I don't know if this is current thought. Ah yes, it seems that matches the current theory. Cf-254 has a half ife of 60 days. Iron is the dead end for fusion reactions in stars since fusion reactions above that are endothermic. White dwarfs follow a different evolutionary path not being on the main sequence. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 21:05 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > It is my understanding that most of the energy from a star comes from > simple proton-proton fusion. This causes one proton to turn into a > neutron, emitting a positron and a nutrino. The positron then > annihilates with a free electron, releasing two gamma rays. > > It takes the pressure of over 13,000,000 degrees C before the protons > get pushed close enough to fuse. The energy from the basic proton-proton > fusion then provides the energy needed to make the other minor reactions > that make the next few heaver elements. > > If the temperature/pressure get above 15M degrees C the carbon cycle, > which uses carbon and nitrogen as catylists to convert hydrogen to > helium, becomes predominent. > > To get the heavier elements (including nitrogen, which is usually not > considered very heavy) you need the star to blow up in a super-nova. Our > minerals are made from stardust. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Interesting thought experiment, John ;-))) > > > > however, any star that has fusion cannot be much smaller than 1/10th our > > sun. Such stars are incredibly economic with their fuel so they > could be as > > old as the universe and still young and burning. Those > population II stars > > (as they are called, I think I believe I vaguely remember ;-)))) have no > > heavy elements. They started with about 3/4 hydrogen and 1/4 > helium and they > > can't make anything heavier than carbon. They could pick up some heavy > > elements on their voyage through the galaxy but that would be > rather small > > amounts. > > I ' d rather think (though I'm not sure) that stars get some > heavy elements > > when they condense out of a globule that is swept together by > the shockwave > > of a supernova remnant. The matter of the cloud is then > fractionated by the > > radiation pressure, gravity, rotation, and other processes not fully > > understood.... > > > > > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute > them more or > > > less uniformly. > > > > If I remember correctly, carbon settles in the stars core while > helium burns > > to carbin in a shell around that core. Further away from the > core there is a > > shell of hydrogen fusing to helium. I don't think that these > elements are > > prone to any serious convection . Again, I may be wrong ;-))) > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jon" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > >Jon, you ALMOST were stopped by my Spam-filter (LOL) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>to accelerate (via gra)vity close to the Sun? And what of > Mars? A giant > > > >> > > > >> > > > >silicate? > > > > > > > >Axel > > > > > > > Jeepers Creepers! What will advertising get us into next? > > > > > > Your speculation about what would happen to our white-dwarf > "diamond" is > > > probably close to the truth for the main line stars. > > > > > > Someone wondered about the presence of inclusions. Our star has > > > certainly been wandering around it's galaxy for 5 billion > years or more. > > > Along the way it has surely swept in debris and garbage along the way, > > > and anything heavier than Carbon would not participate in the fusion > > > cycle. The convection currents of the star would distribute > them more or > > > less uniformly. > > > > > > Now imagine that our star is small enough to collapse, but not all the > > > way to a total degenerate-matter state, something somewhat > larger than a > > > brown dwarf. I can imagine an interlocked mass of xtals of various > > > sizes and forms of Carbon along with unburned lesser elements of the > > > fusion cycle; in other words a big mess. It would also have lots of > > > free electrons so the lightning show could be pretty nice. > If the star > > > were to be broken up by collision with an object of roughly the same > > > size, there would be a nice explosion (not nuclear) and some of the > > > fragments could survive of bits and pieces of zoned "diamond" > of various > > > grades and with (trace?) inclusions of anything up to Uranium (if our > > > star happened to travel through the remnents of a supernova). Do such > > > fragments exist in our own Asteroid Belt? Probably not as nothing > > > suggesting them has been observed. Nor have any "curiosities" > like them > > > been found on Earth...or have they? > > > > > > john > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 19:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Feb 18 19:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals and Antiquities act Message-ID: <35.43a08beb.2d658502@aol.com> I've often wondered how a person can prove when a specimen was collected. I have a small piece of petrified wood collected by my Grandfather back in the late 1800's. It was found in the area that is now the Roosevelt National Park. It really has no value other than sentimental value. Still it's a nice addition to my collection. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 20:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 18 20:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals and Antiquities act References: <35.43a08beb.2d658502@aol.com> Message-ID: <4034372F.5DF8@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > I've often wondered how a person can prove when a specimen was collected. I > have a small piece of petrified wood collected by my Grandfather back in the > late 1800's. It was found in the area that is now the Roosevelt National Park. > It really has no value other than sentimental value. Still it's a nice addition > to my collection. > > T. McGinnis Many collectors document their collecting well. When the specimen passes to another collector (an original copy of) the documentation goes with it. The receiving collector makes their own documentation to add to the original; the specimen acquires a pedigree and you can document when it was collected, who has been a conservator of the specimen, and when ownership was transferred. Such specimens usually have one (or more) numbered/coded labels attached to the specimen that tie back to the label(s) AND catalog entries (and possibly an original collection Journal). There are fakes. You need some level of trust with the current holder before you can acquire a pedigreed specimen with confidence. It helps if the specimen was documented in some publication, or if it has a museum in the chain of ownership. The better the documentation, and the higher the level of trust, the more easily you can 'prove' the date of collection. If you want to find out more about cataloging specimens visit my website http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Cataloging.shtml From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 20:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 18 20:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: Message-ID: <4034417C.217E@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks for the link. As I remember, 'Neutronium' is the common/generic term for that form of collapsed matter. I'm glad I don't have to worry too much about my collection other than humidity -- having to maintain an environment for a neutronium crystal could get expensive. J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > New Scientist has a more technical description of the findings: > > "Researchers compared models of the crystal core to the observations to > determine that 90 per cent of the white dwarf's mass, similar to that of the > Sun, appears to be a giant, single crystal. But the crystal, which has been > likened to a diamond, is in fact unlike any known on Earth. The pressure > inside the white dwarf is a million million times the pressure that produces > diamonds. This pressure strips electrons from the atoms, leaving the nuclei > to form a crystal lattice surrounded by a sea of electrons" > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994692 > > Bryan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 18 21:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Lehker) Date: Wed Feb 18 21:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] cleaning calcite Message-ID: I have a specimen of calcite crystals interspersed with pyrite. A number of the crystals have become rust colored. In the past when I have used some chemicals to clean crystals around pyrite, the chemicals have changed the completion of the pyrite. The pyrite currently has a "Peacock" appearance (I think it's pyrite) and I don't want to loose that appearance. Any suggestions on how to remove the rust? Also, are there any good resources out there for specimen preparation? I have looked on the web, and find very little. Thanks for any thoughts, Dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 03:02:29 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Feb 19 03:02:29 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001c01c3f6d7$af74e120$449d77d5@axel> Hi Kreigh The militant astro-physics faction of the rockhounds group has been activated ;-)))) Can't blame us since the discussion goes back to the origin of all matter that composes our precious minerals and ourselves. Couldn't be more on topic if we tried... > It takes the pressure of over 13,000,000 degrees C before the protons > get pushed close enough to fuse. The energy from the basic proton-proton > fusion then provides the energy needed to make the other minor reactions > that make the next few heaver elements. I'm not sure about that. There is talk about our sun actually being too cool to have TN-reactions in the core. Protons may, however, get close enough to each other to fuse by a process called tunneling. Off the top of my head: This involves the particles (which can also be described as waves) travelling over short distances WITHOUT actually travelling. They disappear at one point and reappear a short distance further on their path instantaneous. These jumps are very small, no more than one wavelenght of the particle... So these two equations: E = MC² and E = h/lambda (Planck's constant divided by wavelength). M = mass of proton So a proton inside the sun would be able to 'jump' closer to another proton and inside that protons radius in which the strong interaction rules. (STrong interaction is the force that binds atomic nuclei. If two protons overcome the repelling electro-magnetic force of their equal charges, their "spheres of influence" of the strong interaction merge. That is fusion). Maybe I'm oversimplifying things (I'm not an astronomer) but that distance would be, combining the above formula's, roughly equal to: h / (MC²) or, in figures, 6.626*10^-34 / (1.6723*10^-27 * 2.99793*10^8) or 1.3216 * 10^-15 meters or 1.3216 fm (femtometer). Now, the diameter of a proton is 1.6 * 10^-15 meters or 1.6 femtometer. Two protons that are on a collision course will repell each other with a force that is reciprocal to their distance. That is exactly why they have to have such high speeds in order to collide and fuse. In physics, temperature is speed. In theory the kinetic temperature of a proton pair needs to much higher than 13 million Kelvin but if tunneling is taken into consideration, the protons gain an edge. A serious edge of 80% of their diameter. Suddenly the treshold for fusionreaction drops to a point where the pressure and temperature are lower than previously thought. >Our minerals are made from stardust. And so are we, Kreigh, so are we... When a priest or minister says "dust to dust..." he is right in more ways than he can ever hope to comprehend... Cheers Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 07:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jon) Date: Thu Feb 19 07:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4034D78C.8080206@hal-pc.org> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >It is my understanding that most of the energy from a star comes from >simple proton-proton fusion. This causes one proton to turn into a >neutron, emitting a positron and a nutrino. The positron then >annihilates with a free electron, releasing two gamma rays. > According to the physicists, especially Hans Bethe, there are two principal types of fusion reaction that take place in "main sequence" stars, i.e., the large majority of them as represented locally by our own sun. The first is a "carbon cycle" in which a proton interacts with a Carbon(12) nucelus producing Nitrogen + Energy. The Nitrogen is the isotope N(13) which emits a positron and reverts to C(13). This in turn reacts with another proton to produce N(14) + Energy. Next the N(14) reacts with a proton to produce Oxygen(15) and more energy. Oxygen(15) with a half-life of about 2 minutes emits a beta ray to become N(15). Finally the N(15) reacts with another proton to produce Carbon(12) + Helium(4). Then the cycle begins again. In terms of energy produced, the 4 protons are associated with 4 electrons. Two are required by the Helium, and two combine with the positrons. The net result is 4 H(2) = He(4) + Energy. The Carbon acts as a catalyst. In the "proton-proton" cycle, two protons fuse to form Deuterium (2) + a positron + Energy. The D(2 ) then combines with another proton to yield Helium(3). Then two He(3) nuclei combine to yield Helium(4) + 2 H(1) [protons] + Energy. The result is a two-stage process whereby 4 protons produce 2 He(3) and then the He(4). The net effect is the same as in the carbon-carbon cycle, producing He(4) + Energy from 4 protons. At low stellar temperatures the p-p cycle predominates and the C cycle takes over at higher temperatures. However they are concurrent processes and are not mutually exclusive. It is estimated that 20 million degreees K, the temperature of our sun, the two processes are about 50%-50%. In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not require the presence of Carbon. Where does the Carbon come from? Since it is a catalyst it is never consumed and could easily be picked up from the cloud that formed the star. There was surely Carbon in the cloud that formed the Solar System. After all, we're here...I think. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 12:00:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:00:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> <4034D78C.8080206@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <02c901c3f722$f40fa2c0$449d77d5@axel> John wrote >In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not >require the presence of Carbon. A white dwarf is a "dead" star. There are no nuclear reactions going on in a white dwarf. Those objects are the remnants of stars like our sun that, in the last phase of their lives, shed their outer layers in an expanding planetary nebula. The exposed stellar "core" is extremely hot and emits light like a "black body" of the same temperature (typically some hundred thousands Kelvin) would do. It emits lots of UV which excites the atoms (O, N, H) in the nebula that is visible because of it's fluorescence. When a white dwarf circles another star, it may happen that the partner enters the "red giant" phase at the end of it's life. Matter from the bloated giant then crushes on the surface of the dwarf which results in ample X-ray emission. When the accumulated layer of hydrogen gets thick enough, thermonuclear reaction may ignite in a flash... that's a nova (not a supernova). Otherwise there are no TN-reactions in a white dwarf... sorry.... Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > >It is my understanding that most of the energy from a star comes from > >simple proton-proton fusion. This causes one proton to turn into a > >neutron, emitting a positron and a nutrino. The positron then > >annihilates with a free electron, releasing two gamma rays. > > > According to the physicists, especially Hans Bethe, there are two > principal types of fusion reaction that take place in "main sequence" > stars, i.e., the large majority of them as represented locally by our > own sun. > > The first is a "carbon cycle" in which a proton interacts with a > Carbon(12) nucelus producing Nitrogen + Energy. The Nitrogen is the > isotope N(13) which emits a positron and reverts to C(13). This in turn > reacts with another proton to produce N(14) + Energy. Next the N(14) > reacts with a proton to produce Oxygen(15) and more energy. Oxygen(15) > with a half-life of about 2 minutes emits a beta ray to become N(15). > Finally the N(15) reacts with another proton to produce Carbon(12) + > Helium(4). Then the cycle begins again. > > In terms of energy produced, the 4 protons are associated with 4 > electrons. Two are required by the Helium, and two combine with the > positrons. The net result is 4 H(2) = He(4) + Energy. > The Carbon acts as a catalyst. > > In the "proton-proton" cycle, two protons fuse to form Deuterium (2) + a > positron + Energy. > The D(2 ) then combines with another proton to yield Helium(3). Then > two He(3) nuclei combine to yield Helium(4) + 2 H(1) [protons] + Energy. > The result is a two-stage process whereby 4 protons produce 2 He(3) and > then the He(4). The net effect is the same as in the carbon-carbon > cycle, producing He(4) + Energy from 4 protons. > > At low stellar temperatures the p-p cycle predominates and the C cycle > takes over at higher temperatures. However they are concurrent processes > and are not mutually exclusive. It is estimated that 20 million > degreees K, the temperature of our sun, the two processes are about 50%-50%. > > In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not > require the presence of Carbon. > > Where does the Carbon come from? Since it is a catalyst it is never > consumed and could easily be picked up from the cloud that formed the > star. There was surely Carbon in the cloud that formed the Solar > System. After all, we're here...I think. > > john > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 15:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jon) Date: Thu Feb 19 15:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <02c901c3f722$f40fa2c0$449d77d5@axel> References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> <4034D78C.8080206@hal-pc.org> <02c901c3f722$f40fa2c0$449d77d5@axel> Message-ID: <40354173.7080309@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >John wrote > > > >>In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not >>require the presence of Carbon. >> >> > >A white dwarf is a "dead" star. There are no nuclear reactions going on in a >white dwarf. >Those objects are the remnants of stars like our sun that, in the last phase >of their lives, shed their outer layers in an expanding planetary nebula. >The exposed stellar "core" is extremely hot and emits light like a "black >body" of the same temperature (typically some hundred thousands Kelvin) >would do. It emits lots of UV which excites the atoms (O, N, H) in the >nebula that is visible because of it's fluorescence. >When a white dwarf circles another star, it may happen that the partner >enters the "red giant" phase at the end of it's life. Matter from the >bloated giant then crushes on the surface of the dwarf which results in >ample X-ray emission. When the accumulated layer of hydrogen gets thick >enough, thermonuclear reaction may ignite in a flash... that's a nova (not a >supernova). >Otherwise there are no TN-reactions in a white dwarf... sorry.... > >Axel > I stand corrected. In the cooler main sequence the p-p cycle predominates. This almost certainly means that the earliest stars were cooler since there was only H and He around (?) But who knows. Exacty what are Quasars anyway? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 15:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Feb 19 15:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. Message-ID: <190.25fc3f09.2d66a2db@aol.com> Probably a great super conductor. Gene Hartstein In a message dated 2/18/2004 6:33:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes: New Scientist has a more technical description of the findings: "Researchers compared models of the crystal core to the observations to determine that 90 per cent of the white dwarf's mass, similar to that of the Sun, appears to be a giant, single crystal. But the crystal, which has been likened to a diamond, is in fact unlike any known on Earth. The pressure inside the white dwarf is a million million times the pressure that produces diamonds. This pressure strips electrons from the atoms, leaving the nuclei to form a crystal lattice surrounded by a sea of electrons" http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994692 Bryan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 16:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Thu Feb 19 16:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <40354173.7080309@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: Interesting discussion! This puts our minerals into perspective. Are there any statistics about the relative abundancies of elements and cosmic events? By far most elements on earth, the moon and in meteorites are lighter than iron. Except for nickel and cobalt, but I assume it could be formed from some instable iron isotope by decay (did not look that up). This is all normal stardust from the majority of dead stars. Stuff that is heavier than iron is pretty rare. In fact most of us spent a lifetime tracking down localities of this 'heavy stardust' in the form of lead or copper minerals. This would coinside with the rareness of supernovae. The same is true for our bodies. The only 'heavy stardust' we need to function that I can think of are traces of selenium, zinc and iodine. Except us rockhounds of course, we need about everything a supernova can brew..... Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of jon Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. Axel Emmermann wrote: >John wrote > > > >>In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not >>require the presence of Carbon. >> >> > >A white dwarf is a "dead" star. There are no nuclear reactions going on in a >white dwarf. >Those objects are the remnants of stars like our sun that, in the last phase >of their lives, shed their outer layers in an expanding planetary nebula. >The exposed stellar "core" is extremely hot and emits light like a "black >body" of the same temperature (typically some hundred thousands Kelvin) >would do. It emits lots of UV which excites the atoms (O, N, H) in the >nebula that is visible because of it's fluorescence. >When a white dwarf circles another star, it may happen that the partner >enters the "red giant" phase at the end of it's life. Matter from the >bloated giant then crushes on the surface of the dwarf which results in >ample X-ray emission. When the accumulated layer of hydrogen gets thick >enough, thermonuclear reaction may ignite in a flash... that's a nova (not a >supernova). >Otherwise there are no TN-reactions in a white dwarf... sorry.... > >Axel > I stand corrected. In the cooler main sequence the p-p cycle predominates. This almost certainly means that the earliest stars were cooler since there was only H and He around (?) But who knows. Exacty what are Quasars anyway? john _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 16:53:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Feb 19 16:53:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Remember that most of the heavy elements ended up in the earth's core, the lighter elements predominate in the mantle. You might be interested in this too: http://www.science.fau.edu/geo/Resources/CourseWebPages/Spring2004/GLY4200/A bundance.htm Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > Interesting discussion! > > > This puts our minerals into perspective. Are there any statistics > about the > relative abundancies of elements and cosmic events? > > By far most elements on earth, the moon and in meteorites are lighter than > iron. Except for nickel and cobalt, but I assume it could be formed from > some instable iron isotope by decay (did not look that up). This is all > normal stardust from the majority of dead stars. Stuff that is > heavier than > iron is pretty rare. In fact most of us spent a lifetime tracking down > localities of this 'heavy stardust' in the form of lead or copper > minerals. > This would coinside with the rareness of supernovae. The same is true for > our bodies. The only 'heavy stardust' we need to function that I can think > of are traces of selenium, zinc and iodine. Except us rockhounds > of course, > we need about everything a supernova can brew..... > > Cheers, > Maurice > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of jon > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >John wrote > > > > > > > >>In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not > >>require the presence of Carbon. > >> > >> > > > >A white dwarf is a "dead" star. There are no nuclear reactions > going on in > a > >white dwarf. > >Those objects are the remnants of stars like our sun that, in the last > phase > >of their lives, shed their outer layers in an expanding planetary nebula. > >The exposed stellar "core" is extremely hot and emits light > like a "black > >body" of the same temperature (typically some hundred thousands Kelvin) > >would do. It emits lots of UV which excites the atoms (O, N, H) in the > >nebula that is visible because of it's fluorescence. > >When a white dwarf circles another star, it may happen that the partner > >enters the "red giant" phase at the end of it's life. Matter from the > >bloated giant then crushes on the surface of the dwarf which results in > >ample X-ray emission. When the accumulated layer of hydrogen gets thick > >enough, thermonuclear reaction may ignite in a flash... that's a > nova (not > a > >supernova). > >Otherwise there are no TN-reactions in a white dwarf... sorry.... > > > >Axel > > > I stand corrected. In the cooler main sequence the p-p cycle > predominates. This almost certainly means that the earliest stars were > cooler since there was only H and He around (?) > > But who knows. Exacty what are Quasars anyway? > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 19:58:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 19 19:58:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: Message-ID: <403585B6.4612@Tomaszewski.net> Commonly quoted percentages for the Earth are Oxygen 47.0% Silicon 28.0% Aluminum 8.0% Iron 4.5% Calcium 3.5% Magnesium 2.5% Sodium 2.5% Potassium 2.5% Titanium .4% Hydrogen .2% Carbon .2% Phosphorus .1% Sulfur .1% Nickel, Lead, Copper, Zinc, Tin, Silver .02% All Other .48% but I couldn't lay my hands on a remembered estimate for the universe in general (but I know its on my bookshelves somewhere). Maurice de Graaf wrote: > > Interesting discussion! > > This puts our minerals into perspective. Are there any statistics about the > relative abundancies of elements and cosmic events? > > By far most elements on earth, the moon and in meteorites are lighter than > iron. Except for nickel and cobalt, but I assume it could be formed from > some instable iron isotope by decay (did not look that up). This is all > normal stardust from the majority of dead stars. Stuff that is heavier than > iron is pretty rare. In fact most of us spent a lifetime tracking down > localities of this 'heavy stardust' in the form of lead or copper minerals. > This would coinside with the rareness of supernovae. The same is true for > our bodies. The only 'heavy stardust' we need to function that I can think > of are traces of selenium, zinc and iodine. Except us rockhounds of course, > we need about everything a supernova can brew..... > > Cheers, > Maurice > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of jon > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >John wrote > > > > > > > >>In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not > >>require the presence of Carbon. > >> > >> > > > >A white dwarf is a "dead" star. There are no nuclear reactions going on in > a > >white dwarf. > >Those objects are the remnants of stars like our sun that, in the last > phase > >of their lives, shed their outer layers in an expanding planetary nebula. > >The exposed stellar "core" is extremely hot and emits light like a "black > >body" of the same temperature (typically some hundred thousands Kelvin) > >would do. It emits lots of UV which excites the atoms (O, N, H) in the > >nebula that is visible because of it's fluorescence. > >When a white dwarf circles another star, it may happen that the partner > >enters the "red giant" phase at the end of it's life. Matter from the > >bloated giant then crushes on the surface of the dwarf which results in > >ample X-ray emission. When the accumulated layer of hydrogen gets thick > >enough, thermonuclear reaction may ignite in a flash... that's a nova (not > a > >supernova). > >Otherwise there are no TN-reactions in a white dwarf... sorry.... > > > >Axel > > > I stand corrected. In the cooler main sequence the p-p cycle > predominates. This almost certainly means that the earliest stars were > cooler since there was only H and He around (?) > > But who knows. Exacty what are Quasars anyway? > > john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 20:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Thu Feb 19 20:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Elemental Abundances was Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403589EF.5000100@epix.net> Hello List. In the discussion of dwarf stars having giant diamond crystals at their cores, the question was raised, "Are there any statistics on distribution of elements in our solar system"? Yes, There is a concept called Cosmic(Universal) Abundance of Elements This illustration is interactive and overlain on the Andromeda Galaxy for effect but it pertains to all mass in the universe. Using spectral band measurements astronomers were able to sum up the elemental ratios of the cosmos It was correctly mentioned that elements heavier than iron are formed in supernovae and all in a very short time. However, the ratios of light elements to heavy ones are also biased by the number of hydrogen particles combined to form a heavy element. (e.g. Roughly it takes 92 Tritium atoms to form one Uranium atom.) Working backwards, adding up all the atomic masses of all the material in our solar system, would approximate the number of hydrogen/helium atoms in our solar precesseor. For a bar graph representation of abundance (standardized as ratios to silicon atoms), see . Below our feet, there is an terrestrial abundance which is actually an estimate of the abundance in the lithosphere(crust and upper mantle). This does not include the deep mantle or core. There was a sorting of the elements in our proto-solar system with the heavier elements dominating the inner system and the volatiles the outer edge. There are two mechanisims theorized as to how this occured(They were probably co-dynamic). One concept is that the proto-solar system, left over from the supernova of our sun's precesseor , scattered the elements evenly over an approximately 100AU wide disk. The heavier elements precipitated before the more volatiles due to the faster cooling rate on the edge of the protodisk and fell back toward the gravitational center of our solar system to be incorporated into the inner planets. This illustration correlates formation temperature of minerals and planet distances from the sun. The other mechanism contends that the mixture of elements was sorted by pressure waves -- an allegory to the solar wind, by tending to sweep lighter elements toward the outer rim. This theory is supported by such evidence as ratios of heavy to light isotopes decreasing with distance from the center of the solar system. Someone, I recall, rasied a question about the the amount of iron in meteorites perhaps being higher than expected given that free iron is a deep core occurrence. Irony meteorites represent the cores of asteroids large enough gravationally and thermally to have allowed to nickel-iron to sort to the center/core of the asteroid. We find these meteorites because cosmic collisions opened up the cores of these asteroids and flung the iron centers far and wide. Stoeny meteorites--specifically Common Chondrites, have flakes of free nickel-iron metal because the iron blebs which were incorporated into pyroxene/olivine matrix, come from bodies which were to small to 1) keep warm enough long enough for the nickel-iron to melt and 2) the internal gravitational pull on these small bodies was insufficient to draw the nickel-iron to the core. Regards, Elton From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 19 22:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Feb 19 22:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403585B6.4612@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003301c3f777$8fadb240$a1a3490c@pete> This has been an interesting discussion! An article about this had appeared a couple of years ago too--about how some cooled-off dwarf stars could consist of nothing but a giant single crystal of diamond. That all sounded pretty speculative--and as has been pointed out, the tightly packed mass of nuclear particles would not really be "diamond" any more. I'll post a note about that original article, if I find the reference to it. Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 05:41:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Feb 20 05:41:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> <4034D78C.8080206@hal-pc.org> <02c901c3f722$f40fa2c0$449d77d5@axel> <40354173.7080309@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <006101c3f7b7$282b7b80$449d77d5@axel> John wrote > I stand corrected. In the cooler main sequence the p-p cycle > predominates. This almost certainly means that the earliest stars were > cooler since there was only H and He around (?) Depends almost solely on the mass of the star. Massive stars (20 solar masses or more) burn up their fuel in a few million years and end as supernova's. On the main sequence part of their life they would have a surface temp of 50.000 K or more. Lighter stars like our sun are no hotter than 5.000 or 6.000 k. Dwarf stars of 0.5 solar masses or less burn red like cinders and relatively cool. Pete wrote >the tightly packed mass of nuclear particles >would not really be "diamond" any more. This is what I think (I'm no scientist ;-))) No it wouldn't. A diamond has two properties that make it different from carbon and graphite. Transparency and the fact that it is an electric insulator. Looking at our "diamond " in the stellar core: all matter is squeezed to a degenerate form. Atomic nuclei are swimming in a sea of electrons. Electrons that are bound to atoms can absorp only ceratin wavelengths of light. This is what makes light "quantized". Free electrons, however, can absorb ANY wavelength since they do not have to jump between energy levels in the atom. ALL light falling on our diamond will be absorbed when it reaches the rim of degenerated matter at a certain distance from the core. The closer to the center of the core you get, the faster the electrons have to move in order to generate the "electron degenerate pressure" that helps the star withstands collapse. When the speed of the electrons approaches the speed of light (in white dwarfs that are close to 1.4 solar masses), they cannot absorb energy anymore. They can't accelerate because the speed of light is the limit. Neither can they change direction because they cannot enter the realm of there neighbours (Pauli Exclusion Principle). The electrons would reflect EVERY incoming photon. Instead of a transparent diamond, you would see a perfect spherical mirror. One that reflects ALL photons from the longest radiowaves to the shortest gamma-ray. Maurice wrote: >Except for nickel and cobalt, but I assume it could be >formed from some instable iron isotope by decay Also good point that iron is the end point of all TN reactions because further fusion of heavier nuclei would be endothermic. Quite correct but iron-nuclei can capture slow neutrons. These neutrons trickle into the core and decay to a proton, an electron and (I think an antineutrino). The proton added to the iron nucleus changes it to Cobalt. Same can happen to cobalt and that gives us nickel. Ever wonder why so many meterorites and planetary cores are made of nickel-iron? I think the cobalt is unstable and goes to nickel via internal transition... Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon" To: Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >John wrote > > > > > > > >>In white dwarfs the p-p cycle would predominate. Note that it does not > >>require the presence of Carbon. > >> > >> > > > >A white dwarf is a "dead" star. There are no nuclear reactions going on in a > >white dwarf. > >Those objects are the remnants of stars like our sun that, in the last phase > >of their lives, shed their outer layers in an expanding planetary nebula. > >The exposed stellar "core" is extremely hot and emits light like a "black > >body" of the same temperature (typically some hundred thousands Kelvin) > >would do. It emits lots of UV which excites the atoms (O, N, H) in the > >nebula that is visible because of it's fluorescence. > >When a white dwarf circles another star, it may happen that the partner > >enters the "red giant" phase at the end of it's life. Matter from the > >bloated giant then crushes on the surface of the dwarf which results in > >ample X-ray emission. When the accumulated layer of hydrogen gets thick > >enough, thermonuclear reaction may ignite in a flash... that's a nova (not a > >supernova). > >Otherwise there are no TN-reactions in a white dwarf... sorry.... > > > >Axel > > > I stand corrected. In the cooler main sequence the p-p cycle > predominates. This almost certainly means that the earliest stars were > cooler since there was only H and He around (?) > > But who knows. Exacty what are Quasars anyway? > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 15:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gerry Koshman) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Signing our work Message-ID: <002201c3f805$ec3dbda0$6402a8c0@userq8p3k9g7xy> Some time ago I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is a woodworker as well as a Lapidary Artist about pricing our work. He made the comment that many of his clients would only buy pieces that were signed and that many people collected pieces from certain craftsmen. That got me to thinking about how we could mark our pieces in order to bring some collectable value to what we do. I carve freform pieces and no two are alike, but I am at a loss as to I could mark these to identify them as mine as they are solely made of gemstone material, quite small in a lot of cases and have no metal that can be marked or stamped. Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Gerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 15:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Signing our work In-Reply-To: <002201c3f805$ec3dbda0$6402a8c0@userq8p3k9g7xy> Message-ID: <00a801c3f806$734882d0$6501a8c0@moose> I'd think a mark made with a small diamond scribe would do the trick. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Koshman > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:05 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Signing our work > > > > Some time ago I was having a discussion with a friend of mine > who is a woodworker as well as a Lapidary Artist about > pricing our work. He made the comment that many of his > clients would only buy pieces that were signed and that many > people collected pieces from certain craftsmen. That got me > to thinking about how we could mark our pieces in order to > bring some collectable value to what we do. I carve freform > pieces and no two are alike, but I am at a loss as to I could > mark these to identify them as mine as they are solely made > of gemstone material, quite small in a lot of cases and have > no metal that can be marked or stamped. Does anybody have > any thoughts on this? > > Gerry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 15:25:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:25:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Elemental Abundances was Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <403589EF.5000100@epix.net> Message-ID: There is some new evidence that shows that lighter elements may be swept from inner planet into the central star: "The find is evidence of an atmospheric "blow off" in action, where energetic hydrogen gas drags heavier elements along for a supersonic ride into space. "If you imagine a wind so efficient that it takes everything with it, sand particles for instance, you get the idea," said the study's leader Alfred Vidal-Madjar, of the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris. The planet "is really losing a lot of material even more efficiently than we thought before" http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/extrasolar_blowout_040202.html "The planet may eventually shed its entire atmosphere, leaving behind only a solid core remnant of its once massive self. The unique nature of this process has led Vidal-Madjar's team to propose the existence of a new class of extrasolar planets, one which may be populated by the remains of worlds that have shed their atmospheric skins and orbit even closer to their suns than HD 209458b. The process is similar to one that may have eventually produced the atmospheres around more local planets, such as Venus and Earth, astronomers said. "The composition of Earth's atmosphere today is so peculiar, that there must exist an efficient process that blew out much of the original material," Vidal-Madjar told SPACE.com. "Now we are directly observing it in Osiris." =============== So maybe the inner planets are the remnant cores of gas giants. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." ============================================= There was a sorting of the elements in our proto-solar system with the heavier elements dominating the inner system and the volatiles the outer edge. There are two mechanisims theorized as to how this occured(They were probably co-dynamic). One concept is that the proto-solar system, left over from the supernova of our sun's precesseor , scattered the elements evenly over an approximately 100AU wide disk. The heavier elements precipitated before the more volatiles due to the faster cooling rate on the edge of the protodisk and fell back toward the gravitational center of our solar system to be incorporated into the inner planets. This illustration correlates formation temperature of minerals and planet distances from the sun. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 17:11:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:11:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] cleaning calcite Message-ID: <2A735B4A.7921C46C.02391E2F@cs.com> Dear David I have used muratic acid to clean my calcite however I don't know what that will do to the pyrite....let me know if that helps! fellow rocker Andrea "David  Lehker" wrote: >I have a specimen of calcite crystals interspersed with pyrite.  A >number of the crystals have become rust colored.  In the past when I >have used some chemicals to clean crystals around pyrite, the chemicals >have changed the completion of the pyrite.  The pyrite currently has a >"Peacock" appearance (I think it's pyrite) and I don't want to loose >that appearance.  Any suggestions on how to remove the rust? >Also, are there any good resources out there for specimen preparation? >I have looked on the web, and find very little. >Thanks for any thoughts, Dave >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 18:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 20 18:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Signing our work Message-ID: <146.22811aa4.2d68194d@aol.com> Maybe you could take a page from the Mineral-collector's manual: Paint on a small spot of white-out and sign that. In a message dated 2/20/2004 3:05:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, gkoshman@sasktel.net writes: > I carve freform pieces and > no two are alike, but I am at a loss as to I could mark these to > identify them as mine as they are solely made of gemstone material --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 20:15:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 20 20:15:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. References: <403183EA.1EC3@Tomaszewski.net> <40324169.6080305@hal-pc.org> <005401c3f5a3$b839dca0$fbaa77d5@axel> <40338F3F.7050700@hal-pc.org> <001d01c3f668$970dc6c0$8d9f77d5@axel> <40341825.6751@Tomaszewski.net> <001c01c3f6d7$af74e120$449d77d5@axel> Message-ID: <4036DB3D.15FD@Tomaszewski.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hi Kreigh > > The militant astro-physics faction of the rockhounds group has been > activated ;-)))) 'bout time! There are quite a few amateur (and professional) astronomers on this list. One of the reasons I like rockhounding -- rockhounding touches on everything we experience; the hobby can take you to any area of study that strikes your fancy, and that further study will enhance your understanding of rocks and minerals. BTW, the 'Amateur Telescope Making' series of books by Scientific American documents the lapidary technique for making a telescope with an obsidian mirror. The ties from Rockhounding and Amateur Astronomy go both ways. > Can't blame us since the discussion goes back to the origin of all matter > that composes our precious minerals and ourselves. Couldn't be more on topic > if we tried... Agreed. > > > It takes the pressure of over 13,000,000 degrees C before the protons > > get pushed close enough to fuse. The energy from the basic proton-proton > > fusion then provides the energy needed to make the other minor reactions > > that make the next few heaver elements. > > I'm not sure about that. There is talk about our sun actually being too cool > to have TN-reactions in the core. We have enough evidence from the particle flux coming out of the sun to be confident the carbon cycle is running, so the core needs to be above 15 M degrees C. But I would agree that most research suggests its close to the edge. Wonder if the Maunder (sp?) Minimum and mini ice age (and the glacial periods??) were the result of the carbon cycle stopping for a while? > Protons may, however, get close enough to > each other to fuse by a process called tunneling. Agreed, and that is one of the reasons we're talking in the teen's for reaction temperatures, and not a figure roughly twice that hot/fast as much of the older literature does. I think the real disagreements are in the area of what reaction paths are probable, and what the resulting core temperature would be, and not in what reactions are occurring (though the ratios are still being hotly discussed too). > > >Our minerals are made from stardust. > > And so are we, Kreigh, so are we... When a priest or minister says "dust to > dust..." he is right in more ways than he can ever hope to comprehend... Amen. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 20 20:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Faceter01) Date: Fri Feb 20 20:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Signing our work References: <146.22811aa4.2d68194d@aol.com> Message-ID: I suppose you could make a certificate with a picture of the piece on it giving dimensions, carat weight, type of material, etc, and signed by you. It was a common practice on Shop at Home to give a cetificate of authenticity when Tommy Trozo faceted a gemstone and it was auctioned off on the air. Ron Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Signing our work > Maybe you could take a page from the Mineral-collector's manual: Paint on a > small spot of white-out and sign that. > > In a message dated 2/20/2004 3:05:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > gkoshman@sasktel.net writes: > > > I carve freform pieces and > > no two are alike, but I am at a loss as to I could mark these to > > identify them as mine as they are solely made of gemstone material > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 06:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 21 06:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Moqui marbles on Mars??? Message-ID: <64.3ae822d9.2d68c03a@aol.com> Hey gang take a look at the recent images from Opportunity on the Planetary Society site at http://www.planetary.org those shiney spherules in the regolith there look very much like Moqui marbles! They are smaller than I've yet seen here on Earth, I'd estimate the Martian ones as half centimeter in diameter as opposed to the ones I have in my collection (one centimeter and on up) but Moquis have the heamatite shell that indicates water which is what NASAs looking to find on Mars. I hope Opportunitys' grinder can cut deep enough to see if there is a sand center to the spherules! Jim Groves --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 09:15:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:15:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Show announcement Message-ID: Our annual show is coming up shortly. For those who have atteded in the past please note that we are at a new, larger and more convenient location. Hope all of our past visitors and some new ones will be there. The club has worked hard to make this a new and special show. If you do attend drop by and say hello. Bring this E-Mail and receive 50 cents off on all admissions at the door. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE and Club Publicity Chair WHO: Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc., an EFMLS Club WHAT: 41st Annual Earth Science Gem and Mineral Show WHEN - Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 10 A.M. to 6 P.M. Sunday, March 7, 2004 - 11 A.M. to 5 P.M. WHERE: <> Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713 PURPOSE: To foster interest in geology, mineralogy, paleontology and the lapidary arts HOW - Tickets available at the door: Adults $4.00, Seniors $3.00, Juniors $2.50, and children under 12 free with Adult. Bring this E-Mail and receive 50 cents off on all admissions. FEATURES * Interesting and educational exhibits of mineral, lapidary and fossil specimens * Displays from regional and university museums * Larger facilities with an expanded list of outstanding dealers of minerals, fossils, gems, jewelry and lapidary supplies. * Hourly door prizes and large specimen raffle * Lapidary demonstrations * Microscopes for viewing mineral specimens * Children's booth where youngsters may purchase inexpensive minerals, fossils and grab bags. Club booth with member-crafted lapidary work and mineral/fossil specimens from member's collections. For further information, contact: * Gene Hartstein, (302) 234-4488 (E-Mail- fossilnut@aol.com) (Publicity) * Keith Robertson (302) 838-6989 (E-Mail- hemipristis@aol.com) (President) * Alex Kane (610) 274-8228 (E-Mail- Aandmkane@aol.com) (Show Chair) Sincerely, Gene Hartstein - Show Publicity Chair --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 10:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] gem exhibit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <168C7C0E-649B-11D8-A4E1-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> I just learned of this great gem exhibit last night, but it's not too late for some of you in california to go see it. http://www.bowers.org/ cathy gaber From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 13:48:50 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Feb 21 13:48:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertisement: OreRockOn Dig Site Info MAJOR UPDATE In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216114227.01f60120@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216114227.01f60120@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040221122007.01f1e878@mail.spiritone.com> I just wanted to let everybody knoiw that I have just finished a major update of my OreRockOn Rock Dig Locations CD and website just in time for the Spring Rockhound Fever season. I have updated all the new GPS waypoints I took last summer and have produced new topo maps of all OR, WA, and CA sites for the online version and new, very cool color relief (i.e. "hillshaded", "elevation coded", "3D") USGS 7.5' topo maps of all Oregon sites for the CD. Here's a link to the new Richardson Ranch map on the CD (this is a compressed example; the CD TIFF image has MUCH better resolution): http://orerockon.com/Richardson%20Ranch.png You probably have to zoom in with the magnifying glass to see all the detail if your screen is smaller than a 24" TV set lol. These suckers are BIG! The online version of the map is about this resolution but without the hillshading and elevation color coding. When more ISPs allow large attachments or if by some miracle my ISP gives me about 200 megs of storage for a reasonable price I might include the new maps with the online version. Please feel free to complain to your ISP if you have ridiculously small attachment size restrictions! I did and my local cable monopoly lifted theirs :) I am now working on GIS maps with all the roads to the site from a highway or major road highlighted and all sorts of other nifty whizbangs and gizmos :) Needless to say that is a long process which I may not ever get done, it all depends on how much "real" work I have in the coming months. It certainly won't be finished before next winter. Once I learn my GIS program better I eventually want to make an executable program so all you have to do is click on a site to see all the directions, pictures of the pits, and of the rough and finished lapidary items I have made from each site. Not to mention a live server with the same information. That is a LONG ways away unfortunately. Anyway to access the info click the CD link below, and THANK YOU everyone who has already purchased either the online or CD versions. Without your generous donations of dinero and your thoughtful feedback this project would have died 9 months ago! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 14:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 21 14:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hey check out this Diamond. In-Reply-To: <4036DB3D.15FD@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: For those of us in the US, Sam's Club is selling the National Geographic Topo! map software with 17 CDROMs covering the entire US for $35. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 15:24:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Sat Feb 21 15:24:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: cleaning calcite In-Reply-To: <20040220020001.16646.70634.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Dave, You must make a choice: do you want to preserve the calcite or preserve the pyrite/marcassite? Calcite and cleaning is an oxymoron. Even luke warm tap water exposure to calcite could be enough to take away the luster of some crystal faces. You can restore some of the pyrite luster with any iron stain remover but this will harm the calcite. A soft toothbrush and some tap water may do the job as well. Be sure to dry the specimen and not to leave any drop on the calcite. It seems as if the pyrite/marcassite is either unstable or the specimen is exposed to a high humidity environment. Storing the specimen in a drier environment could help a big deal. A good resource is "Mineral Cleaning for Amateurs" by John H. Betts at URL: http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles/minclean.htm Trust this helps. Johan Maertens mineral.maertensNO@SPAMatt.net (Remove NO SPAM for reply) Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ Every year I resolve to lose weight and save money. I always get the two mixed up. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement= 1 bananosecond 1012 Microphones = 1 megaphone 1 million bicycles = 2 megacycles 102 tics = 1 hectic 2 doctors = 1 paradox 100 Senators = Not 1 decision From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 15:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 21 15:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] gem exhibit References: <168C7C0E-649B-11D8-A4E1-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> Message-ID: <03e401c3f8d3$46ba2ca0$59ce94d1@remains> looks like a nice exhibit, although a lot of the info they have on the site is out to lunch as far as the accuracy.....great stones, though ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Gaber" To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] gem exhibit > I just learned of this great gem exhibit last night, but it's not too > late for some of you in california to go see it. > > http://www.bowers.org/ > > cathy gaber > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 17:35:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:35:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite In-Reply-To: <009101c3f319$fb39d870$819e77d5@axel> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, I have a large (15 x 9 cm.) chunk of halite crystals that I bought that fluoresces brilliant red under SWUV. It's from Salton Sea, California. I have other halites from Searles Lake and from New Mexico, and they do not fluoresce. I tried Googling halite, and one source ( http://webmineral.com/data/Halite.shtml )states flatly that halite does not fluoresce. The Touzour Family collection site shows one that fluoresces bright white and another bright green, and there's a photo of one from Salton Sea that glows bright red like mine at http://home.pacifier.com/~leopard/flrmin8.htm So what's going on with halite, that at least one supposed authority says halite does not fluoresce, and yet some specimens do, and with such different colors? Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 17:39:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:39:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040221155705.035131c0@mail.aloha.net> Hi again, You remember that fluorescent halite I mentioned? Well, this piece has a lot of paper---looks like toilet paper or Kleenex---stuck quite firmly to the back, and lots of small bits stuck to some of the crystal edges and corners on the front. I suppose I shouldn't care about the back (yet it does offend my sensibilities just knowing it's there). But on the front the fragments of tissue that are nearly invisible under normal light of course glow brilliant blue-white under UV---very distracting. So how do I remove the paper without harming the halite? Give it a nice long soak in warm water? (wink wink, tee hee) Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 17:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040221155705.035131c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000a01c3f8e3$6163c920$ae11bc42@bay.chartermi.net> wash with alcohol! Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite > Hi again, > > You remember that fluorescent halite I mentioned? Well, this piece has a > lot of paper---looks like toilet paper or Kleenex---stuck quite firmly to > the back, and lots of small bits stuck to some of the crystal edges and > corners on the front. I suppose I shouldn't care about the back (yet it > does offend my sensibilities just knowing it's there). But on the front > the fragments of tissue that are nearly invisible under normal light of > course glow brilliant blue-white under UV---very distracting. So how do I > remove the paper without harming the halite? Give it a nice long soak in > warm water? (wink wink, tee hee) > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 19:10:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Feb 21 19:10:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <40381DA1.B9EED030@att.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > So what's going on with halite, that at least one supposed authority says > halite does not fluoresce, and yet some specimens do, and with such > different colors? Hi Kitty, It is simply a matter of semantics; most minerals, including halite, calcite, and fluorite, do not fluoresce empirically. In other words, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate, and calcium fluoride do not self-fluoresce; small amounts of included impurities--manganese, europium, saramrium, hydrocarbons--cause the fluorescence. You will note that the three aforementioned minerals are found in several different colors. The famous Terlingua-type calcite has several activators, which accounts for the multiple colors under different wavelengths. At the other end of the spectrum--pun intended--are self-activated minerals, the most famous being scheelite (calcium tungstate). The polyatomic tungstate ion is self-fluorescing. I am disappointed, but not surprised, that the fluorescence was listed incorrectly on such a well-known and venerable website that has been considered fairly authoritative for years. The proper description, perhaps, should be that halite does not fluoresce in its pure state, but often does when impurities are present. Some mineralogists do not like fluorescence because of its inconsistency--but that very inconsistency makes it a valuable tool when used properly, and indeed many of the phospors and markers used in everday life were discovered as part of fluorescent compounds (look at the inks on U.S. postage, derived from willemite and wollastonite). Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 19:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 21 19:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040221155705.035131c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <40381F53.5505@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Kitty, I was going to respond to your first email by pointing out that (trace) impurities are often the cause of fluorescence, either directly, indirectly from a secondary fluorescent path, or because of the strain they put in bonding makes a path possible. If you find out what is making the halite pink you will probably know the source of the fluorescense. Getting the paper off probably implies some damage to the surface must occur. How good are you at cleaving the face off crystals? A sharp meat cleaver and hand sledge might work on salt. But your idea of washing is not a bad one. Use a saturated solution of salt instead of plain water. Try a small spot on the back/bottom edge/corner and see if you can clean off the paper. Wipe it dry with a non-linting rag and let it reach stability (over a few days) to see what the new surface would look like. Or you could use a high powered laser and flash burn the paper off, which would also probably cleave off the surface layers. Or you could ignore it since the possible cures have high risk to the whole specimen. BTW, you may want to pick up the Feb 04 Scientific American and read about the threat of silent earthquakes recently discovered on the Big Island. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi again, > > You remember that fluorescent halite I mentioned? Well, this piece has a > lot of paper---looks like toilet paper or Kleenex---stuck quite firmly to > the back, and lots of small bits stuck to some of the crystal edges and > corners on the front. I suppose I shouldn't care about the back (yet it > does offend my sensibilities just knowing it's there). But on the front > the fragments of tissue that are nearly invisible under normal light of > course glow brilliant blue-white under UV---very distracting. So how do I > remove the paper without harming the halite? Give it a nice long soak in > warm water? (wink wink, tee hee) > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 21 20:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat Feb 21 20:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite In-Reply-To: <40381F53.5505@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00a501c3f8fa$91765670$6501a8c0@moose> As to the fluorescence... I remember a nice demonstration Dr. Bill did for our club here in Minnesota. Pure halite = no fl. Add a tich of manganese. Boom... Fl. Cool. GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 07:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun Feb 22 07:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem and Mineral Show in Houston, TX References: <20040222020001.2923.55644.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4038C60E.60ACB7B8@earthlink.net> The Clear Lake Gem And Mineral Society in SE Houston, TX is having their 29th Annual Clear Lake Jewelry, Gem & Mineral Show this weekend, February 28-29, 2004 at the Pasadena Convention Center. Saturday: 10 AM - 6 PM Sunday: 10 AM - 5 PM Pasadena Convention Center 7902 Fairmont Parkway Pasadena, TX http://www.houston-guide.com/facilities/convention/conventionpasadena.html Parking is FREE Admission: adults $5, Seniors $3, children FREE Please send any queries to: mailto:mikeflan@earthlink.net Mike Flannigan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 09:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 22 09:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stromatolite Sale Message-ID: <145.22aacdd4.2d6a3c63@aol.com> From: crescentstoneinc@aol.com Steve DeLong/Owner Crescent Stone Company We have museum quality stromatolite stone in red, green, and black for sale. This a sale of a lifetime, we usually get $10.00 a pound you pick up. We went to show at Tucson and got here too late, buyers already gone. First show did not know how it worked, so we are heading home to Minnesota with about 10,000 pounds, if any one wants to buy at $2.00 a pound we will be at Tucson till Thursday then we head back. We will be taking I10 East to I25 to Denver then then east through Nebraska Iowa Ect. If interested Email us, we will deliver. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 10:27:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Sun Feb 22 10:27:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Ebay items ! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040222192549.01b0b4e8@popmail.libero.it> Hi list member ! if interested in nice crystallized minerals, give a look on Ebay ! http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=italianminerals&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 Starting bids are from $1 !!! ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 11:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 22 11:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <004d01c3f97c$f4323d60$3aa3490c@pete> Aloha to Kitty & Bill & the List, I also would have suggested alcohol to wash the paper off the crystals, and yes, the saturated salt solution sounds good too. And yes, it's having the right activators in the halite that makes it fluorescent, or not. And the red-fl. halite generally requires both the activator (Mn2+) and a smaller trace amount of a coactivator (Pb2+) to be brightly fluorescent. It seems like I've read that the brightly fl. halite from the Salton Sea doesn't come directly from the plain salt lake water in the Salton Sea itself, but from evaporating ponds where this water is being concentrated for salt production, or perhaps even (I need to check the source of this info!) from wells where even saltier brine is pumped from underground and allowed to evaporate; either way, it's a special environment that has concentrated the trace elements that activate the fluorescence. Also, the particularly pink daylight color of some halite, is related to different (biological, I believe--pink algae?) impurities, and has no relation to the fluorescence or lack of it. Ah, yes, I just checked the webmineral site; it mentions & shows a picture of the pink hoppered halite from Searles Lake evaporating ponds, and gives the name of the pink single-celled organism that lives in those brine ponds and causes the pink color of the halite; halobacterium. And it is a surprise that this site gives the incorrect info that "halite is nonfluorescent", but that's what it says. As Don & others have noted, most halite is nonfluorescent, but certainly, some is very noted for its strong orange-red fluorescence. Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 12:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite In-Reply-To: <004d01c3f97c$f4323d60$3aa3490c@pete> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040222101443.02f90820@mail.aloha.net> Thanks for your detailed answer, Pete. What about the two pieces shown on the Tozour Family website that fluoresce one white and one bright green? Something in the water, no doubt, but it does imply that halite fluorescence is perhaps more common than thought, and that the color is not just orange-red. Unfortunately the pictures only say "California," no specific location. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jtozour/Page12ShortWave/Page12ShortWave.html (Above should be all one line) Aloha, Kitty >As Don & others have noted, most >halite is nonfluorescent, but certainly, some is very noted for its strong >orange-red fluorescence. > >Pete Modreski --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 12:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] gem exhibit + ... you name it References: <168C7C0E-649B-11D8-A4E1-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> <03e401c3f8d3$46ba2ca0$59ce94d1@remains> Message-ID: <006c01c3f980$bcc89d20$3aa3490c@pete> Hi Rockhounds, I looked at the > http://www.bowers.org/ website and it does sound like it was a good gem exhibit. I'd never heard of the "Bowers Museum" before. Peter Keller (listed as curator of the exhibit) is a noted gemologist. I was surprised tho, as Michael mentioned, to read some inaccuracies in the online text (such as that magnesium helps color ruby). But yes, nice pictures. Things brings to mind, and I can't resist mentioning--I resurrected this from something I'd heard about and looked at on the web several years ago, after reading about it in Time or somewhere or other--have any of you ever heard of the "Museum of Jurassic Technology"? It's website is, http://www.mjt.org/ (I checked the web, it is still there as it once was) and it is (or claims to be) in Los Angeles. I have never figured out if this is a real physical museum in a real place, or if it is just all imaginary and on the web. And no, it is NOT a museum of Jurassic fossils... it is all.... weird stuff, such as "Megloaponera foetens, the stink ant of the Cameroon", and "The Deprong Mori of the Tripiscum Plateau", and "Hypersymbolic Cognition". Some of this sounds real (well, maybe???), and some of it... well, if you ever have some spare minutes with nothing better to do, go browse this site and maybe someone else can figure out what the heck it all is! cheers, Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 12:25:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:25:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040222101443.02f90820@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <007601c3f982$4490a260$3aa3490c@pete> That Touzour family website of fl. minerals has lots of very good pictures--I don't think I've ever looked at it before (ah yes, I've led a sheltered life!). I have a one-page handout on "Fluorescent Minerals" that I give out at mineral shows & school seminars and such--I need to update it, and add some more of the current websites about fl. minerals, such as this one. I see that the green-fl. halite that they picture doesn't give any locality (not even California) at all, just "halite, short wave". The white-fl. one says California. It can generally be assumed (very dangerous to make assumptions about minerals, of course) that most bright green fl. minerals (except willemite and a few other exceptions!) are fl. due to traces of uranyl ion, and that's probably the case with this halite. I think most white or off-white fl. minerals are the biggest puzzle; for the most part, no one HAS ever figured out what makes them fluorescent, and it seems to be some nebulous (to us) combination of lattice defect centers, organic impurities, or who knows what. This applies to white-fluorescent calcite, gypsum, aragonite, barite, and lots of other common minerals. Ditto for white or yellowish-fl. coatings on petrified wood and agate--as far as I know, no one knows what is going on with them! Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite What about the two pieces shown on the Tozour Family website that fluoresce one white and one bright > green? Something in the water, no doubt, ... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jtozour/Page12ShortWave/Page12ShortWave.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 22 13:05:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 22 13:05:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040222101443.02f90820@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <40391987.77359E8F@att.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > What about the two pieces shown on > the Tozour Family website that fluoresce one white and one bright > green? Hi, I thought of a number of possiblities to account for what we're seeing there, but in the end it is only speculation. As a last resort, you can always e-mail Jim via the address at the bottom of his page! He is a friendly fellow and I'm sure he would offer more info on the specimens. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 17:13:15 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 23 17:13:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net><5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net><5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040222101443.02f90820@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <005801c3fa10$c5600190$de9e77d5@axel> Hi Kitty, Don , Pete,...,..... The fluorescent halite labeled California makes me wonder if it comes from Searles Lake, San Berbardino County. If so, there are a lot of fluorescing evaporites that can be included in the growing halite. Take a look at the possibilities at http://www.mindat.org/loc.php?loc=3551 Most of these thing fluoresce tan to white.... "It ain't necessarily so" but it could very well be ;-))) The green one is a mistery to me.... Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite Thanks for your detailed answer, Pete. What about the two pieces shown on the Tozour Family website that fluoresce one white and one bright green? Something in the water, no doubt, but it does imply that halite fluorescence is perhaps more common than thought, and that the color is not just orange-red. Unfortunately the pictures only say "California," no specific location. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jtozour/Page12ShortWave/Page12ShortWave.html (Above should be all one line) Aloha, Kitty >As Don & others have noted, most >halite is nonfluorescent, but certainly, some is very noted for its strong >orange-red fluorescence. > >Pete Modreski --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 17:36:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 23 17:36:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem & Mineral Show announcement Message-ID: The 15th Annual Clifton Gem, Mineral & Jewelry Show sponsored by the The North Jersey Mineralogical Society (an EFMLA Club) will be held on Saturday and Sunday, March 20th and 21st from 10 AM to 5 PM. The show is held at the Pope John Paul II Elementary School located at 775 Valley Road Clifton, NJ, just 220 yard north of the intersection of Route 3 & Route 46. Tickets can be purchased at the door, Adults $4.00, Seniors $3.00 and children are $2.00 (under 12 is free). Bring a copy of this e-mail and receive $1.00 off admissions. Over twenty dealers featuring, gems, minerals, jewelry, wire-wrapping, fossils, crystals, meteorites, NJ & worldwide specimens, fluorescent minerals, spheres, lapidary materials, cutting rough and books. We are conveniently located less than 20 miles from New York City so please stop by and mingle with other rockhounds. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 17:44:28 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Mon Feb 23 17:44:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111115247.02f77d60@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040208120455.03faa140@mail.aloha.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040221150004.00a0f040@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <403A3228.7BA9E348@gmx.de> Hello Kitty, my Henkel Glossary of Fluorescent Minerals tells me for halite "red, red-orange, orange, white, yellow SW, LW; pink (green, cream, gray, red-violet) SW" G. Henkel counted 30 localities for fluorescent halite. If you recall the huge number of halite localities worldwide you can see that halite normally does not show this feature. Regards, J. Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Kitty & Bill Heacox schrieb: > Hi List, > > I have a large (15 x 9 cm.) chunk of halite crystals that I bought that > fluoresces brilliant red under SWUV. It's from Salton Sea, California. I > have other halites from Searles Lake and from New Mexico, and they do not > fluoresce. I tried Googling halite, and one source ( > http://webmineral.com/data/Halite.shtml )states flatly that halite does not > fluoresce. The Touzour Family collection site shows one that fluoresces > bright white and another bright green, and there's a photo of one from > Salton Sea that glows bright red like mine > at http://home.pacifier.com/~leopard/flrmin8.htm > > So what's going on with halite, that at least one supposed authority says > halite does not fluoresce, and yet some specimens do, and with such > different colors? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 17:46:46 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Mon Feb 23 17:46:46 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite In-Reply-To: <00a501c3f8fa$91765670$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: on 2/21/04 10:15 PM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > As to the fluorescence... > > I remember a nice demonstration Dr. Bill did for our club here in Minnesota. > Pure halite = no fl. Add a tich of manganese. Boom... Fl. Cool. > > GcB > > Gee - It's nice to know people remember things from my talks. It was a bit more complex than that. I made a solution of pure salt (grocery store) and let it evaporate on a Petri dish. The salty residue did not fluoresce. I made a second solution with salt mixed with a bit of manganese chloride. Let it evaporate, and it fluoresced a faint pink. Made a third solution with salt, manganese chloride and a few scraps of lead scraped from an old sinker. Let the solution evaporate, and got a crust with strong red fluorescence. Showed the effect of more than one impurity as co-activators. There's not time to evaporate the solutions at the talk, but I could show the crusts I made. Think I got this idea from one of Mannie Robbin's books on fluorescence. Best wishes - Bill Cordua From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 18:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Feb 23 18:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Predicting GPS signal coverage Message-ID: Many of you now use GPS to digitize your paths and favorite collection locations. I use it all the time in field surveying. And we have to teach our students how to use it for geologic mapmaking. Yet one of the toughest things here in Portland (next to the West Hills) is getting a consistent, 4 to 5 satellite signal that we can use for DGPS. The site below allows you to predict, for a given time, date, and location, where the GPS satellites will be and how good of a signal you can expect. Way cool. http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/ Smack me via email if this is old hat to all of you....:-) -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 18:43:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Feb 23 18:43:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hubble supernova photo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Astronomers have been keeping a close watch on supernova 1987a and Hubble has a spectacular new image, plus a series of older images from the same object. IIRC it is a very fairly close supernova in one of the Magellenic Clouds. Very nice shots: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/hubble_super_040219.html Of course astronomers are waiting for Eta Carina to pop and it is very close indeed, only 7500 light years. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 18:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lunarcowgirl) Date: Mon Feb 23 18:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem & Mineral Show Announcement For California In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040224025749.19809.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> The Gem & Mineral Society of Castro Valley is having our annual show March 5, 6 and 7th. The show opens at 10 am and closes at 6pm Friday and Saturday. Sunday we open at 10 am and close at 5pm. We will have rough rock, faceted gems, beads, jewelry, spheres, crystals, books and other items. Our show features some very well known mineral dealers, fluorescent mineral display & lapidary displays, kitchen/snack bar, and demonstrations. We even have dealers in our side rooms. The show is held at the Centinneial Hall in Hayward, CA. Attendance is $5 dollars at the door and kids under 12 years old are free. Bring a copy of this email and receive $1.00 off. I hope to see you there if your in town. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 19:14:15 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:14:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem & Mineral Show announcement Message-ID: <190.262b008e.2d6c1b39@aol.com> Diane: I hope you don't mind but I posted your show to the EFMLS Calendar. http://www.amfed.org/efmls/calendar.htm You may want to review it and let me know if you have any changes. Dan Imel EFMLS Webmaster --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Feb 23 19:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c3fa87$070da6d0$6501a8c0@moose> Heh, heh... I knew there was more to it... Ah well. Of course I pay attention to you! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > William Cordua > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:08 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite > > > on 2/21/04 10:15 PM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > > > As to the fluorescence... > > > > I remember a nice demonstration Dr. Bill did for our club here in > > Minnesota. Pure halite = no fl. Add a tich of manganese. > Boom... Fl. > > Cool. > > > > GcB > > > > > Gee - It's nice to know people remember things from my > talks. ... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 01:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 24 01:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite References: Message-ID: <002301c3fabb$1ed304c0$90aa77d5@axel> Hi Bill, have you ever tried replacing the lead by a drop of diltuted europiumchloride or copper(2+)chloride? I heard rumours that those are equally good in transmitting the SWUV to the manganese. If not, I may put that on my to do list ;-))) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Cordua" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite > on 2/21/04 10:15 PM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: > > > As to the fluorescence... > > > > I remember a nice demonstration Dr. Bill did for our club here in Minnesota. > > Pure halite = no fl. Add a tich of manganese. Boom... Fl. Cool. > > > > GcB > > > > > Gee - It's nice to know people remember things from my talks. It was a > bit more complex than that. I made a solution of pure salt (grocery store) > and let it evaporate on a Petri dish. The salty residue did not fluoresce. I > made a second solution with salt mixed with a bit of manganese chloride. Let > it evaporate, and it fluoresced a faint pink. Made a third solution with > salt, manganese chloride and a few scraps of lead scraped from an old > sinker. Let the solution evaporate, and got a crust with strong red > fluorescence. Showed the effect of more than one impurity as co-activators. > There's not time to evaporate the solutions at the talk, but I could show > the crusts I made. Think I got this idea from one of Mannie Robbin's books > on fluorescence. > > Best wishes - Bill Cordua > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 05:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Tue Feb 24 05:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite In-Reply-To: <002301c3fabb$1ed304c0$90aa77d5@axel> Message-ID: Haven't tried these chemicals. They are interesting suggestions. Maybe I'll have an undergraduate do a project investigating different ways to make halite fluoresce. Thanks for the tip, Axel! Best wishes - Bill Cordua on 2/24/04 3:46 AM, Axel Emmermann at axel.emmermann@pandora.be wrote: > Hi Bill, > > have you ever tried replacing the lead by a drop of diltuted > europiumchloride or copper(2+)chloride? > I heard rumours that those are equally good in transmitting the SWUV to the > manganese. > If not, I may put that on my to do list ;-))) > > Axel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Cordua" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] removing paper from halite > > >> on 2/21/04 10:15 PM, Gary Brown at gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com wrote: >> >>> As to the fluorescence... >>> >>> I remember a nice demonstration Dr. Bill did for our club here in > Minnesota. >>> Pure halite = no fl. Add a tich of manganese. Boom... Fl. Cool. >>> >>> GcB >>> >>> >> Gee - It's nice to know people remember things from my talks. It was a >> bit more complex than that. I made a solution of pure salt (grocery store) >> and let it evaporate on a Petri dish. The salty residue did not fluoresce. > I >> made a second solution with salt mixed with a bit of manganese chloride. > Let >> it evaporate, and it fluoresced a faint pink. Made a third solution with >> salt, manganese chloride and a few scraps of lead scraped from an old >> sinker. Let the solution evaporate, and got a crust with strong red >> fluorescence. Showed the effect of more than one impurity as > co-activators. >> There's not time to evaporate the solutions at the talk, but I could show >> the crusts I made. Think I got this idea from one of Mannie Robbin's books >> on fluorescence. >> >> Best wishes - Bill Cordua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 07:50:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Feb 24 07:50:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem & Mineral Show announcement Message-ID: <45E5D1DF.763A9314.02180873@aol.com> Dan: Thanks. I will tag the site and use it next year to be sure we have it listed. Gene Hartstein Show Publicity From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 08:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Lee) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ultrasonic drilling Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040221134904.00a07ae0@pop3.mindport.org> A while back on this list there was a thread discussing ultrasonic drills so I am hoping that someone might be able to point me in a helpful direction. I have access to a device that is used for biological tissue disruption that I believe is essentially the same basic machine that is used for ultrasonic drilling with the exception of the "horn" that is used. Can anyone tell me if there is any written information available on how to use sonic drills. I am looking for advise about slurries, horn shapes and in general anything that has to do with drilling with these machines. Obviously, I am trying to determine if I can use this other machine for drilling. Thanks in advance. Bill Lee Exhibits Manager Mindport Exhibits, LLC 210 W. Holly Street Bellingham, WA 98225 360-647-5614 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 08:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040221134904.00a07ae0@pop3.mindport.org> Message-ID: <001c01c3faf0$00f706b0$6501a8c0@moose> I'm going to be down in Atlanta next week at an educational software show (my "real" job see: http://www.xmn.com) doing a "software shootout". Of course, I need to improve the local economy. Any suggestions for rock shops in town? I'll be taking public transit... Regards, and thanks! GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 10:04:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:04:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <001c01c3faf0$00f706b0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <002c01c3fb00$77ee17d0$bfbd8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Hey Gary: Not much here in the way of rock shops. We used to have a couple but they went the way of the streetcars. Depending on our schedules, I'd be happy to meet you somewhere, show you my collection and maybe take a drive up to the Weinman Mineral Museum in Cartersville. They have a small rock/gift shop, and there's a fossil shop up the hill from them. It's an hour drive from Atlanta but I wouldn't mind at all taking you there. There is an "airy-fairy" crystal shop in Atlanta but the prices are pretty airy-fairy too. If all of that isn't enough, I have a backyard FULL of rocks and fossils that need new homes. What's your schedule look like? Anita in Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:05 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? I'm going to be down in Atlanta next week at an educational software show (my "real" job see: http://www.xmn.com) doing a "software shootout". Of course, I need to improve the local economy. Any suggestions for rock shops in town? I'll be taking public transit... Regards, and thanks! GcB _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 10:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to Group Message-ID: <147.22eb34e5.2d6cf090@aol.com> Good afternoon everyone. I joined the mailing list almost two weeks ago, but had some out of town trips planned and such that I decided to wait to introduce myself. My name is Docia Lenz and I am very much the amatuer in this field - but I love to rock hound. For myself and my husband, Floyd, the finding is what we like the most. It is the adventure of getting out there and looking that we love the most. We often take side trips after fieldtrips with the local club and have done fairly well. Several other members have said that they are going to start following us, but that remains to be seen. Be glad to have them along any time. I know this last fall that they added a location we had gone to to one of the field trips so that is pretty cool. In Missouri we found some specimens of calcite on pyrite in an area that some local hardcore collectors didn't think to look. It was a very very old roadcut, and us being new just stopped and looked, and they being old timers in the craft had thought if there had been anything there it was long ago removed. So sometimes being a novice is a good thing. Currently we live just north of Memphis, Tennessee and are members of the Memphis Archaeological and Geological Society (MAGS), however within a few months we plan to move to Salem, Missouri (about 40-50 miles south/southeast of Rolla). I am excited about all the collecting that is available in that area. There is a small rockhound group in Rolla that we will join once we get relocated. Well that gives you just a peep at who I/We are. I'm enjoying reading and learning from the emails on this group. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 14:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] sphere makers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040216074231.01f2b3a0@mail.spiritone.com> References: <96.378c16a.2d6167e0@cs.com> <40305819.4040209@earthlink.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20040216074231.01f2b3a0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <9793C90A-6716-11D8-AF32-000393A96092@mac.com> i thought i was quoted a little over $400 for cash afew years back and=20= the richardsons. i could be wrong. it would not be the first or last=20 time ~KM On Feb 16, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Tim Fisher wrote: > I bet there are more than 250 sphere makers on THIS list. Richardson's=20= > makes the best sphere machine. Period. Their # is 541 475-2680. I=20 > think the only picture of one on the net is mine, it's at=20 > http://orerockon.com/shop.htm Last one I bought was $575, but I bet=20 > they have gone up in price since. > Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0--- Anon --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 14:29:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:29:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to Group Message-ID: <15243848.1077661720495.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Hi Docia, Welcome to the group. I lived in Rolla for about 5 years back in the mid 1980s as I attended and graduated from the Univ. of Missouri-Rolla. You will be very close to some prime collecting areas. Have not been back there in 12 years though. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Docia1154@aol.com Sent: Feb 24, 2004 1:23 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New to Group Good afternoon everyone. I joined the mailing list almost two weeks ago, but had some out of town trips planned and such that I decided to wait to introduce myself. My name is Docia Lenz and I am very much the amatuer in this field - but I love to rock hound. For myself and my husband, Floyd, the finding is what we like the most. It is the adventure of getting out there and looking that we love the most. We often take side trips after fieldtrips with the local club and have done fairly well. Several other members have said that they are going to start following us, but that remains to be seen. Be glad to have them along any time. I know this last fall that they added a location we had gone to to one of the field trips so that is pretty cool. In Missouri we found some specimens of calcite on pyrite in an area that some local hardcore collectors didn't think to look. It was a very very old roadcut, and us being new just stopped and looked, and they being old timers in the craft had thought if there had been anything there it was long ago removed. So sometimes being a novice is a good thing. Currently we live just north of Memphis, Tennessee and are members of the Memphis Archaeological and Geological Society (MAGS), however within a few months we plan to move to Salem, Missouri (about 40-50 miles south/southeast of Rolla). I am excited about all the collecting that is available in that area. There is a small rockhound group in Rolla that we will join once we get relocated. Well that gives you just a peep at who I/We are. I'm enjoying reading and learning from the emails on this group. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 14:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to Group Message-ID: <85.60e09af.2d6d2d02@aol.com> I have been up near that area - more over towards Potosi for collecting drusy quartz, lace agate, and bladed barite. We have two really nice drusy speciments from a vug near Bunker. I have been doing a lot of searching on the internet and gathering information about sites in the area so that once we have relocated I will have some places to go. I have some friends up there who have a huge tablesized specimen of golden/smoky quartz that came from over in Washington County too and they say they have for years from the odd quartz crystal but have never been able to find the source. So I know I will have a lot of adventures there. In a message dated 2/24/2004 4:29:46 PM Central Standard Time, asgardsgc@earthlink.net writes: Hi Docia, Welcome to the group. I lived in Rolla for about 5 years back in the mid 1980s as I attended and graduated from the Univ. of Missouri-Rolla. You will be very close to some prime collecting areas. Have not been back there in 12 years though. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Docia1154@aol.com Sent: Feb 24, 2004 1:23 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New to Group Good afternoon everyone. I joined the mailing list almost two weeks ago, but had some out of town trips planned and such that I decided to wait to introduce myself. My name is Docia Lenz and I am very much the amatuer in this field - but I love to rock hound. For myself and my husband, Floyd, the finding is what we like the most. It is the adventure of getting out there and looking that we love the most. We often take side trips after fieldtrips with the local club and have done fairly well. Several other members have said that they are going to start following us, but that remains to be seen. Be glad to have them along any time. I know this last fall that they added a location we had gone to to one of the field trips so that is pretty cool. In Missouri we found some specimens of calcite on pyrite in an area that some local hardcore collectors didn't think to look. It was a very very old roadcut, and us being new just stopped and looked, and they being old timers in the craft had thought if there had been anything there it was long ago removed. So sometimes being a novice is a good thing. Currently we live just north of Memphis, Tennessee and are members of the Memphis Archaeological and Geological Society (MAGS), however within a few months we plan to move to Salem, Missouri (about 40-50 miles south/southeast of Rolla). I am excited about all the collecting that is available in that area. There is a small rockhound group in Rolla that we will join once we get relocated. Well that gives you just a peep at who I/We are. I'm enjoying reading and learning from the emails on this group. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 15:01:21 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:01:21 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer Special: Rose Quartz CRYSTAL specimens Message-ID: <000901c3fb2a$089e0dc0$6400a8c0@M1Garand> DEALER SPECIAL: 21 of these very rare rose quartz crystal specimens from the now-closed Pittoro mine in Brazil. Exceptionally deep color, well formed crystals. Total weight is 340 grams, priced at only $1.50 per gram, a 15 year-old price! The scale at the top of the picture is 12 inches long. Shipping, Priority One, is $6.50 anywhere in the USA. The black gem box shown is included. Picture at: http://www.manyfacets.com/images/ForSale/pic34.jpg Contact Many Facets via web page below, or at (518) 456-0678. Thanks, -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 17:25:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jjunkroski) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:25:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <002c01c3fb00$77ee17d0$bfbd8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: Highly recommend the Weinman Museum. Small but excellent collection beautifully displayed. Nice folks run it. See it if you can. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 21:27:16 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Feb 24 21:27:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:28:45 -0800 From: Cheri Van Hoover To: afox@drizzle.com Subject: Bornite vs. Covellite Hi. I came across a fascinating old stickpin which has a mineral crystal "gem". I asked my jewelry collectors' groups to help me identify this crystal and I received different opinions from individuals who seem to be knowledgeable about minerals, so thought I would get another opinion. Here is a picture of the stickpin: http://www.xdcr.com/ebay/mens1-2-22.jpg If you click on the image it will be enlarged. Some say it is covellite. Others say it is bornite. What do you think? Is there an easy way to distinguish between these minerals? Thanks so much for any help you can give me. Cheri -- Cheri Van Hoover Milky Way Jewels http://www.milkywayjewels.com eBay Seller ID: Milky*Way* Proud Member of: Jewel Collect Jewelry Talk Vintage Fashion & Costume Jewelry (VFCJ) The Jewelry Ring From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Feb 24 22:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Feb 24 22:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Aaron, Looks more like something that grew in a furnace or lab. It doesn't really look like natural covellite or bornite. Lanny On Feb 24, 2004, at 9:26 PM, Aaron Fox wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:28:45 -0800 > From: Cheri Van Hoover > To: afox@drizzle.com > Subject: Bornite vs. Covellite > > Hi. > > I came across a fascinating old stickpin which has a mineral crystal > "gem". I asked my jewelry collectors' groups to help me identify this > crystal and I received different opinions from individuals who seem to > be knowledgeable about minerals, so thought I would get another > opinion. > Here is a picture of the stickpin: > http://www.xdcr.com/ebay/mens1-2-22.jpg > If you click on the image it will be enlarged. > > Some say it is covellite. Others say it is bornite. What do you > think? > Is there an easy way to distinguish between these minerals? > > Thanks so much for any help you can give me. > > Cheri > -- > Cheri Van Hoover > Milky Way Jewels > http://www.milkywayjewels.com > eBay Seller ID: Milky*Way* > Proud Member of: > Jewel Collect > Jewelry Talk > Vintage Fashion & Costume Jewelry (VFCJ) > The Jewelry Ring > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 04:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Feb 25 04:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) Message-ID: <4c.289564e0.2d6dea4d@aol.com> Hi all, The mineral is carborundum, waste taken from the walls of a blast furnace. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 04:45:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Feb 25 04:45:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) Message-ID: <022520041244.21085.dcc@att.net> I agree with Lanny; Looks like silicon carbide to me. Don > Hi Aaron, > > Looks more like something that grew in a furnace or lab. > > It doesn't really look like natural covellite or bornite. > > Lanny > > On Feb 24, 2004, at 9:26 PM, Aaron Fox wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:28:45 -0800 > > From: Cheri Van Hoover > > To: afox@drizzle.com > > Subject: Bornite vs. Covellite > > > > Hi. > > > > I came across a fascinating old stickpin which has a mineral crystal > > "gem". I asked my jewelry collectors' groups to help me identify this > > crystal and I received different opinions from individuals who seem to > > be knowledgeable about minerals, so thought I would get another > > opinion. > > Here is a picture of the stickpin: > > http://www.xdcr.com/ebay/mens1-2-22.jpg > > If you click on the image it will be enlarged. > > > > Some say it is covellite. Others say it is bornite. What do you > > think? > > Is there an easy way to distinguish between these minerals? > > > > Thanks so much for any help you can give me. > > > > Cheri > > -- > > Cheri Van Hoover > > Milky Way Jewels > > http://www.milkywayjewels.com > > eBay Seller ID: Milky*Way* > > Proud Member of: > > Jewel Collect > > Jewelry Talk > > Vintage Fashion & Costume Jewelry (VFCJ) > > The Jewelry Ring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > ****************************************** > Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index > Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News > www. LRReam.com > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 05:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Feb 25 05:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) Message-ID: <10e.2cafdc77.2d6dfcee@aol.com> I agree with previous post that it most likely is man made carborudum. If in doubt, perhaps a hardness test would determine if this is correct? In a message dated 2/25/2004 12:28:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, afox@drizzle.com writes: Hi. I came across a fascinating old stickpin which has a mineral crystal "gem". I asked my jewelry collectors' groups to help me identify this crystal and I received different opinions from individuals who seem to be knowledgeable about minerals, so thought I would get another opinion. Here is a picture of the stickpin: http://www.xdcr.com/ebay/mens1-2-22.jpg If you click on the image it will be enlarged. Some say it is covellite. Others say it is bornite. What do you think? Is there an easy way to distinguish between these minerals? Thanks so much for any help you can give me. Cheri -- Cheri Van Hoover Milky Way Jewels http://www.milkywayjewels.com eBay Seller ID: Milky*Way* Proud Member of: Jewel Collect Jewelry Talk Vintage Fashion & Costume Jewelry (VFCJ) The Jewelry Ring --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 07:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Wed Feb 25 07:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040225151544.78810.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> My dad has sold Silicon Carbide for thirty years adn we have had samples around the house constantly. If this is not SiC then it is a REAL good FAcsimile. Sic is harder than Corundum so a hardness tess is good I believe it is about 9.6 but not sure. --- Aaron Fox wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:28:45 -0800 > From: Cheri Van Hoover > To: afox@drizzle.com > Subject: Bornite vs. Covellite > > Hi. > > I came across a fascinating old stickpin which has a > mineral crystal > "gem". I asked my jewelry collectors' groups to > help me identify this > crystal and I received different opinions from > individuals who seem to > be knowledgeable about minerals, so thought I would > get another opinion. > Here is a picture of the stickpin: > http://www.xdcr.com/ebay/mens1-2-22.jpg > If you click on the image it will be enlarged. > > Some say it is covellite. Others say it is bornite. > What do you think? > Is there an easy way to distinguish between these > minerals? > > Thanks so much for any help you can give me. > > Cheri > -- > Cheri Van Hoover > Milky Way Jewels > http://www.milkywayjewels.com > eBay Seller ID: Milky*Way* > Proud Member of: > Jewel Collect > Jewelry Talk > Vintage Fashion & Costume Jewelry (VFCJ) > The Jewelry Ring > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 07:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Feb 25 07:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) References: <10e.2cafdc77.2d6dfcee@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c3fbb2$92ce4d10$9c9f77d5@axel> Try hardness. If it is one of those industrial carbides, it should be quite light and very hard. Easily scratches glass. I think. Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bornite vs. Covellite (fwd) > I agree with previous post that it most likely is man made carborudum. If in > doubt, perhaps a hardness test would determine if this is correct? > > In a message dated 2/25/2004 12:28:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, > afox@drizzle.com writes: > Hi. > > I came across a fascinating old stickpin which has a mineral crystal > "gem". I asked my jewelry collectors' groups to help me identify this > crystal and I received different opinions from individuals who seem to > be knowledgeable about minerals, so thought I would get another opinion. > Here is a picture of the stickpin: > http://www.xdcr.com/ebay/mens1-2-22.jpg > If you click on the image it will be enlarged. > > Some say it is covellite. Others say it is bornite. What do you think? > Is there an easy way to distinguish between these minerals? > > Thanks so much for any help you can give me. > > Cheri > -- > Cheri Van Hoover > Milky Way Jewels > http://www.milkywayjewels.com > eBay Seller ID: Milky*Way* > Proud Member of: > Jewel Collect > Jewelry Talk > Vintage Fashion & Costume Jewelry (VFCJ) > The Jewelry Ring > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 09:16:38 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (HilmarKrocke) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:16:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertisement: OreRockOn Dig Site Info MAJOR UPDATE In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040221122007.01f1e878@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Here's a link to the new Richardson Ranch map on the CD (this is a compressed example; the CD TIFF image has MUCH better resolution): http://orerockon.com/Richardson%20Ranch.png ______________________________________________________________ Tim, this does not seem to open in anything ! ? Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Feb 25 13:10:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Weinrich) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:10:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - Website updates References: <146.22811aa4.2d68194d@aol.com> Message-ID: <009601c3fbe3$64e23480$6401a8c0@S0029989181> Hi! I am finally back and reorganized from Tucson. It was a great show this year; as always, it was fun to meet some of you in person! I will begin updating again on a regular basis. I have plenty of new material to add to the website. Today (2/25/04) I have finished an update with three new galleries featuring specimens from classic European locations. There are some neat and interesting specimens in this update. I have recently acquired a very good collection of specimens from the fluorspar mines of southern Illinois. About 140 specimens total comprised the collection; I will be posting these to the website very soon. I will most likely do this in two different postings. I will send out a notice when these postings take effect. I also have an assortment of very nice things from the western U.S. and northern Mexico. These will go onto the site shortly as well. In addition to all of these I will keep updating the auctions on a regular basis. These have proven very popular in the past and have some great stuff to post to these in the coming months! I hope that you enjoy the new updates! Dan Weinrich http://www.danweinrich.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Signing our work > Maybe you could take a page from the Mineral-collector's manual: Paint on a > small spot of white-out and sign that. > > In a message dated 2/20/2004 3:05:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > gkoshman@sasktel.net writes: > > > I carve freform pieces and > > no two are alike, but I am at a loss as to I could mark these to > > identify them as mine as they are solely made of gemstone material > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 09:00:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:00:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 Message-ID: <000501c3fafe$0245ec80$6400a8c0@M1Garand> I was out on the back porch Sunday evening about 10:15. A very bright meteor caught my eye as it entered the atmosphere. The trail was first bright white, then changed to green looking very much like the ball from a Roman candle. The trail then went orange to red and disappeared. It was the largest, brightest one I have ever seen. It went over central NY State on a south by southwest path. Probably landed in Pennsylvania, so I guess I won't go looking . The question is, why green? Wouldn't that indicate a high copper content? Of course I guess it could have been a falling satellite, which probably would have a fair amount of copper in circuit boards and wiring. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 10:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Feb 26 10:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 In-Reply-To: <000501c3fafe$0245ec80$6400a8c0@M1Garand> Message-ID: I was watching the local Denver news (NBC) last night on tv and they mentioned that there was a "fireball" over Denver around 6:30 last night. They said that the planetarium people at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science (formerly the Denver Museum of Natural History) were asking people for video or pictures of it. The last thing that the weather guy said was that the green color comes from oxygen. He didn't mention any other colors. Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dan Z Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:46 AM To: Rockhounds list (DANIEL) Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 I was out on the back porch Sunday evening about 10:15. A very bright meteor caught my eye as it entered the atmosphere. The trail was first bright white, then changed to green looking very much like the ball from a Roman candle. The trail then went orange to red and disappeared. It was the largest, brightest one I have ever seen. It went over central NY State on a south by southwest path. Probably landed in Pennsylvania, so I guess I won't go looking . The question is, why green? Wouldn't that indicate a high copper content? Of course I guess it could have been a falling satellite, which probably would have a fair amount of copper in circuit boards and wiring. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 10:24:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Thu Feb 26 10:24:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I got out my edition of O. Richard Norton's great book "Rocks from Space" . This is a summary of what he writes about fire ball colors. The fireball when it reaches the denser lower atmosphere starts vaporizing and sloughing off material. The heating also cause the surrounding air to ionize. The lost ions are quickly recaptured by other molecules in the air, making the air incandescent. So the fire ball you see is mostly the surrounding gases becoming incandescent. The composition of the air and the composition of the meteoroid both affect the color seen. Chemical coming from the rock include sodium, which glows yellow, nickel which glows green and magnesium which glows blue white. Greens and reds are from atmospheric nitrogen and oxygen. This is the same color source as seen in aurora. Wish I had seen it! Bill C. on 2/26/04 12:08 PM, Bob Loeffler at bobl@peaktopeak.com wrote: > I was watching the local Denver news (NBC) last night on tv and they > mentioned that there was a "fireball" over Denver around 6:30 last night. > They said that the planetarium people at the Denver Museum of Nature and > Science (formerly the Denver Museum of Natural History) were asking people > for video or pictures of it. The last thing that the weather guy said was > that the green color comes from oxygen. He didn't mention any other colors. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Dan Z > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:46 AM > To: Rockhounds list (DANIEL) > Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 > > > I was out on the back porch Sunday evening about 10:15. A very bright meteor > caught my eye as it entered the atmosphere. The trail was first bright > white, then changed to green looking very much like the ball from a Roman > candle. The trail then went orange to red and disappeared. It was the > largest, brightest one I have ever seen. It went over central NY State on a > south by southwest path. Probably landed in Pennsylvania, so I guess I won't > go looking . > > The question is, why green? Wouldn't that indicate a high copper content? Of > course I guess it could have been a falling satellite, which probably would > have a fair amount of copper in circuit boards and wiring. > > -dan- > > > __ > Let the banks dispose of them for you! > Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff > everything including the original envelope into the > postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... > > Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com > Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 11:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Feb 26 11:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 References: <000501c3fafe$0245ec80$6400a8c0@M1Garand> Message-ID: <001101c3fc9d$109e9840$125204d0@jim> I think Bill got the correct explanation for the green color. For copper to give a green flame color, chlorine is also necessary. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Z" To: "Rockhounds list (DANIEL)" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectacular fall 2/22 > I was out on the back porch Sunday evening about 10:15. A very bright meteor > caught my eye as it entered the atmosphere. The trail was first bright > white, then changed to green looking very much like the ball from a Roman > candle. The trail then went orange to red and disappeared. It was the > largest, brightest one I have ever seen. It went over central NY State on a > south by southwest path. Probably landed in Pennsylvania, so I guess I won't > go looking . > > The question is, why green? Wouldn't that indicate a high copper content? Of > course I guess it could have been a falling satellite, which probably would > have a fair amount of copper in circuit boards and wiring. > > -dan- > > > __ > Let the banks dispose of them for you! > Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff > everything including the original envelope into the > postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... > > Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com > Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 14:00:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Lehker) Date: Thu Feb 26 14:00:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] What's in these geodes? Message-ID: I recently started opening a number of Geodes that I brought back from outside Nashville Ten. last summer. Several of them have a nice druzy quartz look to them. However a number have a material I can't identify. The color varies from off-white with dark cracks to a light greyblue hue. Structurally it looks almost like bubbles, one growing out of the other. Some of these have a sprinkling of dark drusy on them. Another structure that I have encountered are flat crystals stacked one atop the other, almost like staircases. I have one geode that has both formations, so perhaps they are related? They are pretty, I like the variety, but it would be nice to know what it is. Anyone out there familiar with Tennessee Geodes? Thanks in advance for any ideas, Dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 18:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Feb 26 18:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural In-Reply-To: <85.60e09af.2d6d2d02@aol.com> Message-ID: Lots of diamond news lately, here is some more: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040226070311.htm Los Alamos has produced synthetic diamonds up to 10mm X 5mm in one day and these are much harder than natural stones. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 20:50:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 26 20:50:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040226190353.03ac0cb0@mail.aloha.net> Hi all, Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages 7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, nor their choice of given names. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Feb 26 21:32:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Feb 26 21:32:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040226190353.03ac0cb0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000501c3fcf3$5a90d700$d1a4490c@pete> I believe the parents' names must be Fred and Wilma. ---Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 05:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Fri Feb 27 05:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] What's in these geodes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The gray stuff sounds like a type of chalcedony called "zebraic chalcedony". When cut as a thin section, the quartz fibers twist giving it a zebra-striped appearance under the petrographic microscope. No idea what the stacked things may be. Henry Barwood -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of David Lehker Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] What's in these geodes? I recently started opening a number of Geodes that I brought back from outside Nashville Ten. last summer. Several of them have a nice druzy quartz look to them. However a number have a material I can't identify. The color varies from off-white with dark cracks to a light greyblue hue. Structurally it looks almost like bubbles, one growing out of the other. Some of these have a sprinkling of dark drusy on them. Another structure that I have encountered are flat crystals stacked one atop the other, almost like staircases. I have one geode that has both formations, so perhaps they are related? They are pretty, I like the variety, but it would be nice to know what it is. Anyone out there familiar with Tennessee Geodes? Thanks in advance for any ideas, Dave _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 07:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Fri Feb 27 07:07:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: mesh References: Message-ID: <006801c3fd43$335ee8c0$97e1fea9@ArmandoAfonso> Hi all. I need some meshes with .01mm and .05mm to separate grains of minerals for microscopy. Can anyone inform me about a good supplier for it? AA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Barwood" To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] What's in these geodes? > The gray stuff sounds like a type of chalcedony called "zebraic chalcedony". > When cut as a thin section, the quartz fibers twist giving it a > zebra-striped appearance under the petrographic microscope. No idea what the > stacked things may be. > > Henry Barwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of David Lehker > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:59 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] What's in these geodes? > > > > I recently started opening a number of Geodes that I brought back from > outside Nashville Ten. last summer. Several of them have a nice druzy > quartz look to them. However a number have a material I can't identify. > The color varies from off-white with dark cracks to a light greyblue > hue. Structurally it looks almost like bubbles, one growing out of the > other. Some of these have a sprinkling of dark drusy on them. > Another structure that I have encountered are flat crystals stacked one > atop the other, almost like staircases. I have one geode that has both > formations, so perhaps they are related? > They are pretty, I like the variety, but it would be nice to know what > it is. > Anyone out there familiar with Tennessee Geodes? > Thanks in advance for any ideas, Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 07:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 27 07:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: mesh Message-ID: <022720041510.19815.431d@att.net> > Hi all. > I need some meshes with .01mm and .05mm to separate grains of minerals for > microscopy. > Can anyone inform me about a good supplier for it? > AA Indeed, try http://www.minerox.com . They have a number of different ASTM mesh screens. I have purchased a few from them myself. They give good service and I have enjoyed doing business with them for years. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 07:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 27 07:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> Went to a Wedy's Burger place, and a girl there has "Beryl" on her nametag In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, kahako@aloha.net writes: Hi all, Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages 7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, nor their choice of given names. Aloha, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 08:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Feb 27 08:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e001c3fd4b$0104c450$dfce94d1@remains> Perhaps there's a pharmacutical reason for these names......... > In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kahako@aloha.net writes: I haven't met > a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, > nor their choice of given names. > > Aloha, Kitty From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 08:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Fri Feb 27 08:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico banded agate? Message-ID: <403F6AF5.3050502@plateautel.net> Good Morning everyone! We have had a customer inquiring about any banded agates that are found in New Mexico, specifically in or around the Socorro County area. We thought we might ask the list. We are more into mineral specimens than agate and haven't paid it much attention. Any info or ideas? Thanks in advance. A & W From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 08:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 27 08:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico banded agate? Message-ID: <138.2bacf913.2d70c4f1@aol.com> If they have internet access tell them to go to Google.com and type in banded agate Socorro County, New Mexico and they will find lots of links --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 08:56:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 27 08:56:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stromatolites For Sale Message-ID: Exquisite Stromatolite Stone red (jasper replacement) green and black are (quartz replacement). They are museum quality, tubes and eyes are evident throughout. We are a mining marketing/sales group and guarantee quality, all shipments are authenticated by geologist. We ship worldwide, we have quanitys from small crushed rock to table size. we also have finished slabs, tables, spheres, and tumbled. Sincerely; Steve DeLong Crescent Stone Company crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 12:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Feb 27 12:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040227101814.03be8780@mail.aloha.net> Funny you should mention that. I talked with the 6-year-old Jade Stonerock yesterday and she says she has a 14-year-old sister named Beryl (Actually Jade is a fairly common name here. There's a newscaster on one of the Honolulu TV stations named Jade Moon, who is of Chinese heritage). Aloha, Kitty At 05:56 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote: >Went to a Wedy's Burger place, and a girl there has "Beryl" on her nametag > >In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, >kahako@aloha.net writes: >Hi all, > >Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama >classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids >ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages >7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met >a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, >nor their choice of given names. > >Aloha, Kitty > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 12:59:23 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Fri Feb 27 12:59:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence Message-ID: <000101c3fd74$71631b60$3f03c850@maxdata> I have never seen tenebrescence (changing color after UV irradiation) illustrated so well as on the following website (Herb Yeates): http://simplethinking.com/greenland/tenebrescence.shtml The phenomenon is illustrated with sodalite from Illimaussaq, Greenland. Click on "play" and enjoy... Just amazing ! Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 13:31:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:31:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bolides and fireballs Message-ID: <20040227213055.83714.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List: I live in the country (rural WV, USA) and often see things in the sky ;) like the one described. Many years ago (summer of 1969) my future wife and I were driving to my parents' house after work, about 1 am. Suddenly the landscape was lit as bright as day. I thought at first the the world was ending in a shower of atomic bombs - easier to imagine then than now. We each leaned out of the car windows, and there was a streak across the sky from horizon to horizon, brighter than any kind of lamp but perhaps a carbon arc. As the light died down, we realized that we had seen an extraterristrial object which had passed very near to the surface of the earth, perhaps as near as a few miles up. Later we learned that it was seen from North Carolina to upstate NY. Obviously, it wasn't the end of the world, but if it had come in just a fraction of a degree lower, it could have been a different story! I've seen other bolides in the night sky since then, some have split into multiple falling stars, some have exploded in mid-passage, some have changed colors, the strangest ones were those that rose from the horizon, and then went off overhead, looking for all the world like a rocket launch that failed. But that would never happen in this day and age, right? JR in WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 13:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <1c7.15bcb81a.2d711369@aol.com> my stepdaughters name is Jade. She got that name long before being adopted by a rockhound too...lol Greg Lesinski gslrocks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 15:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Lehker) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona Message-ID: I just booked a quick getaway with my avid rockhounding wife and I to Arizona. We leave this Sunday morning (29th). We have three days and plan to start in Tucson. She likes finding Agates, but will look for anything interesting. I have "The Falcon Guide to Rockhounding in Arizona", which provides a place to start, but I wondered if anyone would have any suggestions for interesting hounding within 100 miles of Tucson. I also thought about heading down to the Bisbee area. Any interesting looking still there? Also any suggestions for good shops are also appreciated. Thanks for your consideration and ideas, Dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 15:25:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:25:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bolides and fireballs In-Reply-To: <20040227213055.83714.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Most of the bolides, even very bright ones are on the small size. Normal meteors that leave a distinct streak across the night sky are grain of rice size or smaller. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > Hi List: > > I live in the country (rural WV, USA) and often see things in the > sky ;) like the one described. Many years ago (summer of 1969) > my future wife and I were driving to my parents' house after > work, about 1 am. Suddenly the landscape was lit as bright as day. > > I thought at first the the world was ending in a shower of atomic > bombs - easier to imagine then than now. We each leaned out of > the car windows, and there was a streak across the sky from > horizon to horizon, brighter than any kind of lamp but perhaps a > carbon arc. As the light died down, we realized that we had seen > an extraterristrial object which had passed very near to the > surface of the earth, perhaps as near as a few miles up. > > Later we learned that it was seen from North Carolina to upstate > NY. Obviously, it wasn't the end of the world, but if it had > come in just a fraction of a degree lower, it could have been a > different story! > > I've seen other bolides in the night sky since then, some have > split into multiple falling stars, some have exploded in > mid-passage, some have changed colors, the strangest ones were > those that rose from the horizon, and then went off overhead, > looking for all the world like a rocket launch that failed. But > that would never happen in this day and age, right? > > JR in WV > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 15:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona References: Message-ID: <00c301c3fd8c$f73e9b70$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> Depending on how much time you allot for getting to the airport, there's an Asarco mine, with gift shop and displays and a mine tour (above ground) about 10 minutes away from the Tucson airport. So, on getaway day, if you have an extra hour or two before taking off, it's a good place to kill time (with no worries about getting to the airport from there). They also have plenty of samples of chrysocolla and chalcopyrite sprinkled on their premises and behind the shop you can just pick up small pieces. But you might tire of those minerals by then, being as you'll be in Tucson. :-) Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lehker" To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona > I just booked a quick getaway with my avid rockhounding wife and I to > Arizona. We leave this Sunday morning (29th). We have three days and > plan to start in Tucson. She likes finding Agates, but will look for > anything interesting. I have "The Falcon Guide to Rockhounding in > Arizona", which provides a place to start, but I wondered if anyone > would have any suggestions for interesting hounding within 100 miles of > Tucson. I also thought about heading down to the Bisbee area. Any > interesting looking still there? Also any suggestions for good shops > are also appreciated. > Thanks for your consideration and ideas, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 16:25:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Feb 27 16:25:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! AND Masmils/PLUS In-Reply-To: <000101c3fd74$71631b60$3f03c850@maxdata> Message-ID: <000401c3fd91$2ce33980$6501a8c0@moose> Well, I went over to Sam's Club and grabbed up a set of National Geographic's Topo! For $39.87. 17 disks. Woof! You'd think they'd have a DVD version. I may well burn some of these to DVD and see if it will work. It's sort of funny, in their box-blurb they compare themselves to DeLorme and say having 17 disks is a "benefit" over DeLorme's 7 disks. They don't mention the 1-disk DVD version. Oh well... I still like DeLorme better. The maps. Well, they plot REAL slow since they are actual scans of USGS maps. That's "good" in the sense you don't have any translation errors. It's "bad" in that when you get down to a detail it's kind of fuzzy. Best news is that my MasMils/PLUS data pulls in there just fine. Here's what you do: Launch the software. Browse to the area you want. (You'll probably have to swap disks here). Click on "Handhelds" in the menu bar. Click on "Import (from GPS or .txt) wizard" Click on the "In a text file..." option button. Click on Next In the browse box, browse to the MasMils/PLUS text extract you want to pull in. Click on "comma" option button Click on Next Have the "waypoints" button set Click on Next Click on each of the column headings... Set the first column to "Latitude DDD.ddd" Set the second column to "Longitude DDD.ddd" Set the third column to "Message" (why not name? I'll hit that in a minute.) Click "OK" on the last screen after the import. Your mines will be little stick-pins. You can read the import details in the scroll page at the bottom of the screen. OK... Why "Message" and not "Name". Two reasons. The first is that a waypoint NAME must be unique. In the MasMils/PLUS database there are lots of duplicate names. Stuff like "Gravel Pit". In a future release of the software I'll uniquely identify things like that so it won't be a problem. Secondly, only the standard upper-case ASCII character set is used. Often you'll get names like "McSweeny's #2 Gold Mine" as a name. The apostrophe and "#" don't cut it. Storing the name a in "message" gets around this. And >shameless plug< I've got a bunch of disks up on eBay Even As We Speak. Check out: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=catspaw-m inerals (That should all be on one line, BTW). If you search in eBay for "mine locations" you'll also find the listings. Gary Brown http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of "MasMils/PLUS" mine location disk From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 17:25:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Pete Richards) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:25:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence In-Reply-To: <000101c3fd74$71631b60$3f03c850@maxdata> References: <000101c3fd74$71631b60$3f03c850@maxdata> Message-ID: A great illustration! The same behavior characterizes some sodalite from Mont Saint-Hilaire. I collected a dark raspberry-colored piece during one of my first trips there. When I got home, I could not figure out why I had brought back one particular nondescript white rock fragment, so I tossed it in the driveway. Several days later, after a rain, I came home and from the car saw the deep purple again. Don't know whether it was exposure to the rain or the UV in the sunlight (probably the latter) that returned the color. Initially, this piece would turn deep purple under my UV light in about 10 seconds, and bleach to near white under my halogen microscope light in 2 seconds. As time went on, after a number of cycles, it slowed in its response, and has gradually settled into a fairly stable deep pink-purple color. This suggests (as does some reading I've done) that unstable substances dissolved in the crystal (in this case sulfur compounds) facilitate or cause the color change, and with time they can either break down or exsolve from the crystal, reducing the color-change sensitivity. Interestingly, when this rock is broken, it smells of hydrogen sulfide. Colors on freshly broken surfaces are bright, but they tend to fade fairly quickly. Pete Richards >I have never seen tenebrescence (changing color after UV irradiation) illustrated so well as on the following website (Herb Yeates): >http://simplethinking.com/greenland/tenebrescence.shtml >The phenomenon is illustrated with sodalite from Illimaussaq, Greenland. >Click on "play" and enjoy... >Just amazing ! >Greetings, > >Rik DILLEN >Doornstraat 15 >B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas >Belgium > >Tel. + 32 3 7706007 >E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > >Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > >MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 >Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) >Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen >http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > >Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 18:06:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kenneth Quinn) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:06:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bolides and fireballs References: <20040227213055.83714.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > I live in the country (rural WV, USA) and often see things in the sky ;) > like the one described. Many years ago (summer of 1969) my future wife > and I were driving to my parents' house after work, about 1 am. Suddenly > the landscape was lit as bright as day. > My own "personal best" was in 1986 in Oklahoma. It was right at twilight, still a good glow in the west and some red color. Indeed, I was looking at that glow when a large meteor streaked from north to south, leaving a vapor trail. I screamed at the guy I was with, but by the time he turned around it was over except for the vapor trail. I drove home, about 10 minutes, and when I got there the trail was still visible. AS far as I could tell the path was directly south, and I wonder if it were possibly a rocket booster from a Vandenberg AFB satellite launch that finally re-entered. Kenneth Quinn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 18:23:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:23:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona References: Message-ID: <003f01c3fda2$16ebfe80$5da3490c@pete> David, Bisbee is a great place to visit. If you take the mine tour, they usually let you pick up rocks in the mine--I think I've even heard of people who brought a pick along. For a neat overnight visit, stay in the old Copper Queen Hotel. Another mine you can tour is the Morenci mine, up east & north of Tucson--a very nice tour, and they also stop at some stockpiles where you can collect copper minerals. I've never managed to tour the ASARCO mine near Tucson--the one day I ever have time (after the Tucson show has ended, before I leave town) is Monday, and their visitor center happens to be closed on Mondays (take note for your trip). The Univ. of Ariz. geology museum in Tucson has an excellent mineral display. Also, for general things, the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum (which does have a mineral display too) is always more than worth a visit for its outdoor cacti, animals, etc. Deming, NM is "world agate/geode/thunderegg headquarters" (sort of), but thats a bit far away for you--but worth some stops if you are ever passing that way. Along that line, the town historical museum in Deming (the Luna Mimbres Historical Museum) has a totally excellent, large, well displayed and lighted display of polished thundereggs and agates--really worth seeing; I think it's quite likely the best and biggest agate display in the whole U.S. Pete Modreski (Denver CO) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 20:04:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Fri Feb 27 20:04:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick info? Message-ID: <40401406.6040801@plateautel.net> Does anyone on the list know how I can contact Steve Voynick? Email address? Phone number? Off list please. Thanks. Allison From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 21:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Lehker) Date: Fri Feb 27 21:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona Message-ID: Thanks Pete and Jimmy for your ideas. Looks like we won't get out of the airport without starting our finds. Has anyone heard of the Peloncillo Mountains. It looks like it's about an hour or two from Tucson. the book I have claims it's a site that's maintained by the Bureau of Land Management for hounding. Thanks again for the ideas on such short notice. Dave >>> pjmodreski@worldnet.att.net 02/27/04 09:25PM >>> David, Bisbee is a great place to visit. If you take the mine tour, they usually let you pick up rocks in the mine--I think I've even heard of people who brought a pick along. For a neat overnight visit, stay in the old Copper Queen Hotel. Another mine you can tour is the Morenci mine, up east & north of Tucson--a very nice tour, and they also stop at some stockpiles where you can collect copper minerals. I've never managed to tour the ASARCO mine near Tucson--the one day I ever have time (after the Tucson show has ended, before I leave town) is Monday, and their visitor center happens to be closed on Mondays (take note for your trip). The Univ. of Ariz. geology museum in Tucson has an excellent mineral display. Also, for general things, the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum (which does have a mineral display too) is always more than worth a visit for its outdoor cacti, animals, etc. Deming, NM is "world agate/geode/thunderegg headquarters" (sort of), but thats a bit far away for you--but worth some stops if you are ever passing that way. Along that line, the town historical museum in Deming (the Luna Mimbres Historical Museum) has a totally excellent, large, well displayed and lighted display of polished thundereggs and agates--really worth seeing; I think it's quite likely the best and biggest agate display in the whole U.S. Pete Modreski (Denver CO) _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 22:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Feb 27 22:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c3fdc3$342b2a40$804027c4@horstspc> Hi all, In the 1970's some rockhounds formed a new Gem and Mineral Club in Pretoria (South Africa) (Have forgotten its name). Their Secretary was someone also VERY interested in gems and minerals, to such an extent, that her daughters were named Pearl, Beryl and Ruby. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > Went to a Wedy's Burger place, and a girl there has "Beryl" on her nametag > > In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kahako@aloha.net writes: > Hi all, > > Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama > classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids > ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages > 7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met > a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, > nor their choice of given names. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 22:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Feb 27 22:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona References: Message-ID: <005e01c3fdc5$8cb71820$5da3490c@pete> Dave, I know there's supposed to be a fire agate site in the northern Peloncillo Mtns. (north of I-10), and that's what's described in the Rockhounding Arizona guide. I've never tried to go there, so don't know any details; I'm sure there must be "something" there! There are probably a number of other agate & chalcedony occurrences in the Peloncillos. One that is somewhat known is down south of I-10, closer to the Mexican border, at Geronimo Pass, right on the AZ-NM border. That's reached by a somewhat rough dirt road, going east out of Douglas; then there's a moderately rough hike of about a mile north from the road, to reach an area of chalcedony geodes. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere (I like it there!). I guess, in deference to the people who originally showed me where this area is, I don't feel I should probably put anything more specific on the internet. Best wishes, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lehker" To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona > Thanks Pete and Jimmy for your ideas. Looks like we won't get out of the airport without starting our finds. Has anyone heard of the Peloncillo Mountains. It looks like it's about an hour or two from Tucson. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Feb 27 22:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Fri Feb 27 22:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Redondo Beach, CA street names References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> <000401c3fdc3$342b2a40$804027c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <005301c3fdc5$d1e5aa60$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> In order: Agate Beryl Carnelian Diamond Emerald Garnet Pearl Ruby Sapphire Topaz From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 06:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Feb 28 06:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Redondo Beach, CA street names References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> <000401c3fdc3$342b2a40$804027c4@horstspc> <005301c3fdc5$d1e5aa60$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> Message-ID: <000901c3fe08$c40d3820$f2a3490c@pete> Now that's cool, about Redondo Beach streets--I'll have to remember that, and check them out in person if I'm ever (never been there yet, I don't think!) in Redondo Beach! Getting a little off track, I was amused a few years ago to find in the southern outskirts of Canon City, CO, a "Cyanide Street". Canon City used to be the site of a large mill where the processed gold ore hauled there from Cripple Creek, and now the mill site & tailings are, I believe, a superfund city. So the street name is a bit of a reminder that our mining heritage can be a mixed blessing. Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 06:50:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Sat Feb 28 06:50:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural In-Reply-To: <20040228020001.14065.96392.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <20040228020001.14065.96392.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040228093015.022c9008@mail.accesstoledo.com> Hmmm... Sounds like the Apollo Diamond process... Here's some other links: Story: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set= Apollo Diamond (Cultured Diamonds) (CVD Process) http://www.apollodiamond.com Gemisis (cultured Diamonds) (Similar to the GE Pressure & Carbon process) http://www.gemesis.com I'm curious how long before diamond is used instead of silicon for computer chips... The Heat issues would then be solved, and computer speeds would increase greatly... Enjoy the links... -Steve PS.. Yes, I'm new to the list.. :) >From: "J Bryan Kramer" >Subject: [Rockhounds] New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural > >Lots of diamond news lately, here is some more: > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040226070311.htm Stephen Shimatzki sjs132@accesstoledo.com http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 06:54:16 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Feb 28 06:54:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Redondo Beach, CA street names References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> <000401c3fdc3$342b2a40$804027c4@horstspc> <005301c3fdc5$d1e5aa60$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> <000901c3fe08$c40d3820$f2a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <001501c3fe0b$11fd1580$f2a3490c@pete> Hi List, I think I need to proofread my emails a little more closely (isn't that rule #7, "always proof read your emails before you send them"?). In what I just posted, I meant (of course) to say "superfund site", not "superfund city" (that came out rather interesting, didn't it?), as well as "they, not the, processed gold ore". Maybe it's because I'd only had about half of my first cup of morning coffee when I wrote that. grins, Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 07:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Feb 28 07:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040228093015.022c9008@mail.accesstoledo.com> Message-ID: <200402281549.i1SFnfM8007580@mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net> It would not hurt my feelings what so ever to see the DeBeers cartel given a run for their diamonds. They have probably been repondsible for as much suffering as any modern corporation. And the idea of artificially raising prices by holding back supply never has been too popular to me. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Steve Shimatzki > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:51 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent > harder than natural > > Hmmm... Sounds like the Apollo Diamond process... Here's some > other links: > > Story: > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=1&top ic=&topic_set= > > Apollo Diamond (Cultured Diamonds) (CVD Process) > > http://www.apollodiamond.com > > Gemisis (cultured Diamonds) (Similar to the GE Pressure & > Carbon process) > > http://www.gemesis.com > > > I'm curious how long before diamond is used instead of > silicon for computer chips... The Heat issues would then be > solved, and computer speeds would increase greatly... > > Enjoy the links... > -Steve > > PS.. Yes, I'm new to the list.. :) > > > >From: "J Bryan Kramer" > >Subject: [Rockhounds] New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than > >natural > > > >Lots of diamond news lately, here is some more: > > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040226070311.htm > > Stephen Shimatzki > sjs132@accesstoledo.com > http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 07:56:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sat Feb 28 07:56:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4040BAAC.9020605@hal-pc.org> David Lehker wrote: >I just booked a quick getaway with my avid rockhounding wife and I to >Arizona. We leave this Sunday morning (29th). We have three days and >plan to start in Tucson. She likes finding Agates, but will look for >anything interesting. I have "The Falcon Guide to Rockhounding in >Arizona", which provides a place to start, but I wondered if anyone >would have any suggestions for interesting hounding within 100 miles of >Tucson. > > Two easy-to-get-to sites for fire agate are off I-10 E of Tucson and near the New Mexico border. The Black Hills Rockhounding area is N of I-10 off Rte. 191 via US70. US70 connects to I-10 at Lordsburg, NM, and Black Hills is about 40 mi N. Complete information can be found at the Arizona BLM website. The area has fire agate. chalcedony and geodes lined with chalcedony and/or quartz. The chalcedony is common; the fire agate is not. Don't expect much color in the chalcedony, mostly reds and white. The site is easy to get to with an ordinary automobile. The other site is Round Mountain, a state/private/BLM area set aside especially for rockhounds. It is reached by going 24 mi. N of Lordsburg, NM via US70 to the Lazy J Ranch entrance on the Left. Drive in about 10 miles on a good dirt road to the site. You know you are on the right road when you cross the RR tracks. This is RailRoad Gulch. Then you come to a branch to the Left with the main road going straight to the ranch about a half-mile further. Take the Left branch and there is a "sign-in" box on the Right-hand side. There are no sign-in sheets there but it might be useful to leave some information there about who you are and how long you will be. It never hurts to be cautious as this is open desert and there is usually no one else around for miles. Drive on until you come to another branch in the road and you are in the rockhound area. The Left road is rough and needs 4WD. The Right road (straight ahead) is passable by automobile for a mile or so until it too becomes high-clearance and 4WD. The ground everywhere here is littered with quartz, amblygoidal nodules, and "fire" agate. The agate is white with red limonite portions; a small percentage is true fire agate. It makes very good cabs. Better material can be found a few mile further up the road but it requires high-clearance and, in some areas, 4WD. All-in-all, this is an excellent site for beginners as well as more experienced 'hounds. Just remember that this is desert. There is no water nor shelter. The nearest services are in Duncan, on US70 about 20 miles away. Be prepared. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 08:08:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sat Feb 28 08:08:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico banded agate? In-Reply-To: <403F6AF5.3050502@plateautel.net> References: <403F6AF5.3050502@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <4040BD8E.3020108@hal-pc.org> Wayne & Allison Holland wrote: > Good Morning everyone! > We have had a customer inquiring about any banded agates that > are found in New Mexico, specifically in or around the Socorro County > area. We thought we might ask the list. We are more into mineral > specimens than agate and haven't paid it much attention. Any info or > ideas? Thanks in advance. > A & W > Nogal Canyon, right across the road from you West of San Antonio. You will have to prospect a little but it is there in the Rhyolite. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 08:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 28 08:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040227101814.03be8780@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <20040228160809.9ADECEBB6AF@delivery.infowest.com> Reminds me of one family I heard about when I was a kid (LONG ago!) Their name was Bird, and the children were named Ima Bird, Eura Bird, and Jay Bird. Imagine saddling those poor kids with such names (especially the first two). Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:24 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Funny you should mention that. I talked with the 6-year-old Jade Stonerock yesterday and she says she has a 14-year-old sister named Beryl (Actually Jade is a fairly common name here. There's a newscaster on one of the Honolulu TV stations named Jade Moon, who is of Chinese heritage). Aloha, Kitty At 05:56 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote: >Went to a Wedy's Burger place, and a girl there has "Beryl" on her nametag > >In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, >kahako@aloha.net writes: >Hi all, > >Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama >classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids >ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages >7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met >a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, >nor their choice of given names. > >Aloha, Kitty > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 08:09:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 28 08:09:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural References: <200402281549.i1SFnfM8007580@mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <05fb01c3fe15$3b9cb580$afca94d1@remains> DeBeers is finished. Their days have been numbered for several years now, so maybe you'll get your wish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural > It would not hurt my feelings what so ever to see the DeBeers cartel given a > run for their diamonds. They have probably been repondsible for as much > suffering as any modern corporation. And the idea of artificially raising > prices by holding back supply never has been too popular to me. > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Steve Shimatzki > > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:51 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent > > harder than natural > > > > Hmmm... Sounds like the Apollo Diamond process... Here's some > > other links: > > > > Story: > > > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=1&top > ic=&topic_set= > > > > Apollo Diamond (Cultured Diamonds) (CVD Process) > > > > http://www.apollodiamond.com > > > > Gemisis (cultured Diamonds) (Similar to the GE Pressure & > > Carbon process) > > > > http://www.gemesis.com > > > > > > I'm curious how long before diamond is used instead of > > silicon for computer chips... The Heat issues would then be > > solved, and computer speeds would increase greatly... > > > > Enjoy the links... > > -Steve > > > > PS.. Yes, I'm new to the list.. :) > > > > > > >From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than > > >natural > > > > > >Lots of diamond news lately, here is some more: > > > > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040226070311.htm > > > > Stephen Shimatzki > > sjs132@accesstoledo.com > > http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 08:35:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 28 08:35:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural In-Reply-To: <200402281549.i1SFnfM8007580@mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: They seem to be trying to make people think a natural diamond is superior to an artificial one. But if someone could buy a 1 ct ring with a perfect stone for the same price as a 1/4 ct imperfect natural stone, I think most people would go for the bigger stone. Bryan > > It would not hurt my feelings what so ever to see the DeBeers > cartel given a > run for their diamonds. They have probably been repondsible for as much > suffering as any modern corporation. And the idea of artificially raising > prices by holding back supply never has been too popular to me. > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Steve Shimatzki > > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:51 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent > > harder than natural > > > > Hmmm... Sounds like the Apollo Diamond process... Here's some > > other links: > > > > Story: > > > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=1&top > ic=&topic_set= > > > > Apollo Diamond (Cultured Diamonds) (CVD Process) > > > > http://www.apollodiamond.com > > > > Gemisis (cultured Diamonds) (Similar to the GE Pressure & > > Carbon process) > > > > http://www.gemesis.com > > > > > > I'm curious how long before diamond is used instead of > > silicon for computer chips... The Heat issues would then be > > solved, and computer speeds would increase greatly... > > > > Enjoy the links... > > -Steve > > > > PS.. Yes, I'm new to the list.. :) > > > > > > >From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than > > >natural > > > > > >Lots of diamond news lately, here is some more: > > > > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040226070311.htm > > > > Stephen Shimatzki > > sjs132@accesstoledo.com > > http://members.accesstoledo.com/sjs132 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 08:45:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 28 08:45:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick info? In-Reply-To: <40401406.6040801@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <20040228164458.05662EA9663@delivery.infowest.com> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Wayne & Allison Holland Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:08 PM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick info? Does anyone on the list know how I can contact Steve Voynick? Email address? Phone number? Off list please. Thanks. Allison 1. Since you don't provide your e-mail address, we cannot contact you offline. 2. Probably your best bet would be to contact Rock & Gem and ask them. www.rockngem.com Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 08:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 28 08:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick info? References: <20040228164458.05662EA9663@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <04e401c3fe1b$9c2a3610$7ccb94d1@remains> actually, all you have to do is hit "reply" to their message....and their address comes up digem@plateautel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Malm" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick info? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Wayne & Allison > Holland > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:08 PM > To: rockhounds > Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick info? > > Does anyone on the list know how I can contact Steve Voynick? Email > address? Phone number? Off list please. > Thanks. > Allison > > 1. Since you don't provide your e-mail address, we cannot contact you > offline. > 2. Probably your best bet would be to contact Rock & Gem and ask them. > www.rockngem.com > > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 09:53:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 28 09:53:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <20040228160809.9ADECEBB6AF@delivery.infowest.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040227101814.03be8780@mail.aloha.net> <20040228160809.9ADECEBB6AF@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040228081010.02ec2370@mail.aloha.net> This may be apocryphal, but when I was in college (also LONG ago) I was told there was a famous wealthy family in Texas last name of Hogg, and they named their two daughters Ima and Yura (not sure of spelling on that one, might be Eura). If trou, I thought that was just plain mean! Aloha, Kitty At 06:08 AM 2/28/2004, you wrote: >Reminds me of one family I heard about when I was a kid (LONG ago!) Their >name was Bird, and the children were named Ima Bird, Eura Bird, and Jay >Bird. Imagine saddling those poor kids with such names (especially the first >two). > >Margaret > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:24 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > >Funny you should mention that. I talked with the 6-year-old Jade Stonerock >yesterday and she says she has a 14-year-old sister named Beryl (Actually >Jade is a fairly common name here. There's a newscaster on one of the >Honolulu TV stations named Jade Moon, who is of Chinese heritage). > >Aloha, Kitty > > >At 05:56 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote: > > >Went to a Wedy's Burger place, and a girl there has "Beryl" on her >nametag > > > >In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >kahako@aloha.net writes: > >Hi all, > > > >Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama > >classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids > >ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages > >7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met > >a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, > >nor their choice of given names. > > > >Aloha, Kitty > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 10:00:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Lehker) Date: Sat Feb 28 10:00:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona Message-ID: John, Thanks so for the directions and ideas. These sound like they are do-able and accessable for us beginners/intermediate hounds (you hit it on the nose). I'll let you know what we find when we return. Dave >>> jabac@hal-pc.org 02/28/04 10:58AM >>> David Lehker wrote: >I just booked a quick getaway with my avid rockhounding wife and I to >Arizona. We leave this Sunday morning (29th). We have three days and >plan to start in Tucson. She likes finding Agates, but will look for >anything interesting. I have "The Falcon Guide to Rockhounding in >Arizona", which provides a place to start, but I wondered if anyone >would have any suggestions for interesting hounding within 100 miles of >Tucson. > > Two easy-to-get-to sites for fire agate are off I-10 E of Tucson and near the New Mexico border. The Black Hills Rockhounding area is N of I-10 off Rte. 191 via US70. US70 connects to I-10 at Lordsburg, NM, and Black Hills is about 40 mi N. Complete information can be found at the Arizona BLM website. The area has fire agate. chalcedony and geodes lined with chalcedony and/or quartz. The chalcedony is common; the fire agate is not. Don't expect much color in the chalcedony, mostly reds and white. The site is easy to get to with an ordinary automobile. The other site is Round Mountain, a state/private/BLM area set aside especially for rockhounds. It is reached by going 24 mi. N of Lordsburg, NM via US70 to the Lazy J Ranch entrance on the Left. Drive in about 10 miles on a good dirt road to the site. You know you are on the right road when you cross the RR tracks. This is RailRoad Gulch. Then you come to a branch to the Left with the main road going straight to the ranch about a half-mile further. Take the Left branch and there is a "sign-in" box on the Right-hand side. There are no sign-in sheets there but it might be useful to leave some information there about who you are and how long you will be. It never hurts to be cautious as this is open desert and there is usually no one else around for miles. Drive on until you come to another branch in the road and you are in the rockhound area. The Left road is rough and needs 4WD. The Right road (straight ahead) is passable by automobile for a mile or so until it too becomes high-clearance and 4WD. The ground everywhere here is littered with quartz, amblygoidal nodules, and "fire" agate. The agate is white with red limonite portions; a small percentage is true fire agate. It makes very good cabs. Better material can be found a few mile further up the road but it requires high-clearance and, in some areas, 4WD. All-in-all, this is an excellent site for beginners as well as more experienced 'hounds. Just remember that this is desert. There is no water nor shelter. The nearest services are in Duncan, on US70 about 20 miles away. Be prepared. john _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 10:43:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 28 10:43:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Street names In-Reply-To: <005301c3fdc5$d1e5aa60$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> References: <46.47effbac.2d70c2bf@aol.com> <000401c3fdc3$342b2a40$804027c4@horstspc> <005301c3fdc5$d1e5aa60$7f7f7f7f@na.nai.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040228084635.03a6a9f0@mail.aloha.net> I think Broken Hill, NSW, Australia has to take the prize for geology and mining street names: Argent (Silver in French) Beryl Bismuth Blende Boron Bromide Calcite Carbon Chloride Cobalt Crystal Galena Garnet Gossan Graphite Gypsum Iodide Kaolin Mercury Mica Oxide Quarry Radium Rhodonite Silica Silver Slag Sulphide Talc Tin Uranium White Rocks Wolfram Zinc At 08:40 PM 2/27/2004, you wrote: >In order: > >Agate >Beryl >Carnelian >Diamond >Emerald >Garnet >Pearl >Ruby >Sapphire >Topaz > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 10:56:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Feb 28 10:56:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence References: <000101c3fd74$71631b60$3f03c850@maxdata> Message-ID: <01aa01c3fe2c$6baf69e0$6402a8c0@axel> If the rock was raspberry colored upon breaking, it might have been the hackmanite variety of sodalite (if I remember correctly). Axel Emmermann Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 MORTSEL 03 295.35.54 Website: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen Werkgroepen: Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Website Nederl. : http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html Engels : http://www.minerant.org/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence A great illustration! The same behavior characterizes some sodalite from Mont Saint-Hilaire. I collected a dark raspberry-colored piece during one of my first trips there. When I got home, I could not figure out why I had brought back one particular nondescript white rock fragment, so I tossed it in the driveway. Several days later, after a rain, I came home and from the car saw the deep purple again. Don't know whether it was exposure to the rain or the UV in the sunlight (probably the latter) that returned the color. Initially, this piece would turn deep purple under my UV light in about 10 seconds, and bleach to near white under my halogen microscope light in 2 seconds. As time went on, after a number of cycles, it slowed in its response, and has gradually settled into a fairly stable deep pink-purple color. This suggests (as does some reading I've done) that unstable substances dissolved in the crystal (in this case sulfur compounds) facilitate or cause the color! change, and with time they can either break down or exsolve from the crystal, reducing the color-change sensitivity. Interestingly, when this rock is broken, it smells of hydrogen sulfide. Colors on freshly broken surfaces are bright, but they tend to fade fairly quickly. Pete Richards >I have never seen tenebrescence (changing color after UV irradiation) illus trated so well as on the following website (Herb Yeates): >http://simplethinking.com/greenland/tenebrescence.shtml >The phenomenon is illustrated with sodalite from Illimaussaq, Greenland. >Click on "play" and enjoy... >Just amazing ! >Greetings, > >Rik DILLEN >Doornstraat 15 >B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas >Belgium > >Tel. + 32 3 7706007 >E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > >Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > >MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 >Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) >Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen >http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > >Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 11:10:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Sat Feb 28 11:10:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] panasqueira closing Message-ID: <005601c3fe2e$60a913f0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all, I was @ Panasqueira, Portugal last wednesday and heard that after = closing and reopening in 1995 Panasqueira will definitely close end of this month, possibly reopening = when Wolfram prices will go up again also see = http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2004/02/04/rtr1242769.html = and=20 http://www.avocet.co.uk/Avocet%20Mining%20AR%202002.pdf and = http://www.avocet.co.uk/Avocet_Mining_PLC_2003_AR%20final.pdf I asked for permission to enter & visit the older parts of the mine, = usually they grant access without problems, but there was an accident = underground also this week 4 ore-transport wagons underground were burried we were told in the = Office building so unfortinately we had to leave again that leaves us with the fantastic article on Panasqueira in Le Regne = Mineraux jan-feb 2002 ! Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 11:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Sat Feb 28 11:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names - the Hogg family References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040227101814.03be8780@mail.aloha.net> <20040228160809.9ADECEBB6AF@delivery.infowest.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040228081010.02ec2370@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <4040E919.20701@plateautel.net> Yes Kitty this is true. They actually have a huge "mansion" in downtown Houston, Texas. The family is extremely wealthy. A & W Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > This may be apocryphal, but when I was in college (also LONG ago) I > was told there was a famous wealthy family in Texas last name of Hogg, > and they named their two daughters Ima and Yura (not sure of spelling > on that one, might be Eura). If trou, I thought that was just plain > mean! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 06:08 AM 2/28/2004, you wrote: > >> Reminds me of one family I heard about when I was a kid (LONG ago!) >> Their >> name was Bird, and the children were named Ima Bird, Eura Bird, and Jay >> Bird. Imagine saddling those poor kids with such names (especially >> the first >> two). >> >> Margaret >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill >> Heacox >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:24 PM >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names >> >> Funny you should mention that. I talked with the 6-year-old Jade >> Stonerock >> yesterday and she says she has a 14-year-old sister named Beryl >> (Actually >> Jade is a fairly common name here. There's a newscaster on one of the >> Honolulu TV stations named Jade Moon, who is of Chinese heritage). >> >> Aloha, Kitty >> >> >> At 05:56 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote: >> >> >Went to a Wedy's Burger place, and a girl there has "Beryl" on her >> nametag >> > >> >In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> >kahako@aloha.net writes: >> >Hi all, >> > >> >Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school >> drama >> >classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has >> kids >> >ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages >> >7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I >> haven't met >> >a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the >> surname, >> >nor their choice of given names. >> > >> >Aloha, Kitty >> > >> > >> >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> >multipart/alternative >> > text/plain (text body -- kept) >> > text/html >> >--- >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> >Subscription Services: >> >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >> > >> >--- >> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/mixed >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 11:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Feb 28 11:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Redondo Beach, CA street names In-Reply-To: <001501c3fe0b$11fd1580$f2a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <000001c3fe30$a076c750$1cdfc850@maxdata> Also here in Antwerp, a town known for its diamond industry and non-ferro metallurgy, there are also many streetnames related to minerals : Diamantstraat (Diamond Street) Lodewijck van Berkenlaan (L. van Bercken Avenue) (one of the first historical diamond faceters, historical recordings 1476) (street name recorded in 1923). Lodewijk van Berken faceted the pear shaped Sancy diamond (55 ct) given to Charles the Audacious (1433-1477) and now in the Louvre museum in Paris. Robijnstraat (Ruby Street) (1923) Ametiststraat (Amethyst Street) (1923) Granaatstraat (Garnet Street) (1923) Smaragdstraat (Emerald Street) (1923) Edelgesteentenstraat (Gem Street) (1923) Saffierstraat (Saphire Street) (1923) Topaasstraat (Topaz Street) (1923) Turkooisstraat (Turquoise Street) (1923) Stannietstraat (Stannite Street - not after the actual official mineral name stannite, but impure cassiterite (of Breithaupt, 1846)) (1976) Kirunastraat (Kiruna Street - after the Swedish iron ore mine) (1966) Narvikstraat (Narvik Street - after the Norvegian export harbour for Kiruna ore) (1966) Malachietstraat (Malachite Street) (1976) Loodglansstraat (Galenite Street) (1976) Galmeistraat (Calamine Street - calamine is a common name for a mixture of secondary zinc minerals, mainly smithsonite and hydrozinkite) (1978) Messingstraat (Brass street, not a mineral, in fact, but an alloy) (1976) The etymology and background of these historical street names in Antwerp have been investigated quite thoroughly in 1997 by Dr. René Van Tassel (after whom the rare phosphate mineral vantasselite has been named). Best regards to you all, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 12:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Ann Bloom-Dickison) Date: Sat Feb 28 12:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040226190353.03ac0cb0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000001c3fe3a$5b07c520$63b523d0@anndickison> Rock names are great. I have a young friend named Mica. Sure wish I'd thought of that for my son. Also must not forget the host of one of the news shows, Stone Phillips. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 12:56:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chris Auer) Date: Sat Feb 28 12:56:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040226190353.03ac0cb0@mail.aloha.net> <000001c3fe3a$5b07c520$63b523d0@anndickison> Message-ID: <000b01c3fe3d$2d27d070$2f16bd51@chris> Hi, my youngest daughter is called Stephanie, after the famous Stephanie mine in Bleiberg, Austria :-) Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Bloom-Dickison" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > Rock names are great. I have a young friend named Mica. Sure wish I'd > thought of that for my son. Also must not forget the host of one of the news > shows, Stone Phillips. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 13:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 28 13:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural Message-ID: <136.2b0776e2.2d7261a7@aol.com> You must love OPEC In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:09:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: And the idea of artificially raising > prices by holding back supply never has been too popular to me. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 13:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 28 13:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural References: <136.2b0776e2.2d7261a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <007101c3fe41$fd74b780$a7cc94d1@remains> i never said that....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural > You must love OPEC > > > In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:09:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: > And the idea of artificially raising > > prices by holding back supply never has been too popular to me. > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 13:58:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sat Feb 28 13:58:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040228081010.02ec2370@mail.aloha.net> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040227101814.03be8780@mail.aloha.net> <20040228160809.9ADECEBB6AF@delivery.infowest.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040228081010.02ec2370@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <40410F67.80208@hal-pc.org> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > This may be apocryphal, but when I was in college (also LONG ago) I > was told there was a famous wealthy family in Texas last name of Hogg, > and they named their two daughters Ima and Yura (not sure of spelling > on that one, might be Eura). If trou, I thought that was just plain > mean! > > Aloha, Kitty > The Hogg family established one of the Brazos sugar and cotton plantations, oh so many eons ago. Jim Hogg was a one-time governor of Texas. It's true that he named his daughters Ima and Ura. When asked why he replied that it was good for them to reflect on their names once in a while to understand that there is a lot more to life than privilege and wealth. They acquited him well. Both became community leaders in charitable works, civic and artistic groups. Miss Ima was renowned world-wide for her exquisite taste and understanding of antiques. Her home is now the Bayou Bend Museum in Houston which is worth a visit anytime but especially when the azaleas are in bloom. The Hogg place became the Varner-Hogg Plantation State Park. The family is well remembered and honourably so. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 14:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona Message-ID: >From: john > . Just remember that this is desert. There is no >water nor shelter. The nearest services are in Duncan, on US70 about 20 >miles away. Be prepared. You must also remember that you are very close to Mexico here. Be aware of your surroundings, it's very easy to get over a hill and not be able to see your car! There are also people crossing the border, some of which may not be someone you would like to associate with. The INS SUV's are not uncommon, but some of the areas we were in a few years ago were not only desolete, but were kind of scary at nightfall. I loved Bisbee and can't wait to go back. I have decided that the Chamber of Comm should let me live in the Copper Queen mine! We used Gem Trails while there but there a few places for fire agate that we couldn't locate. It was also very windy, rainy on and off and our first night in Green Valley (about 20 miles south of Tuscon) we work the next morning to snow! Our trip lasted 16 days and I only got to wear short 2 days! The lady at the Holiday Inn said she's lived there all her life (40+ years) and had never ever seen snow.! Have fun, be safe and bring back lots of rocks! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 14:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural Message-ID: <43.2876635a.2d726ec2@aol.com> Sorry, sad attempt at wry humor. Gene In a message dated 2/28/2004 4:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: i never said that....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: New synthetic diamonds 50 percent harder than natural > You must love OPEC > > > In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:09:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: > And the idea of artificially raising > > prices by holding back supply never has been too popular to me. > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 14:25:14 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:25:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404115ED.5070203@hal-pc.org> Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: > > > >> From: john > > >> > . Just remember that this is desert. There is no > >> water nor shelter. The nearest services are in Duncan, on US70 about >> 20 miles away. Be prepared. > > > > You must also remember that you are very close to Mexico here. Be > aware of your surroundings, it's very easy to get over a hill and not > be able to see your car! There are also people crossing the border, > some of which may not be someone you would like to associate with. > The INS SUV's are not uncommon, but some of the areas we were in a few > years ago were not only desolete, but were kind of scary at nightfall. > Yes, this is true of the area South of Lordsburg and East of Douglas AZ, especially Clanton Canyon and surroundings; the ranchers are quite touchy about who goes where. On the other hand, where else is one to go to see the Elegant Trogan ( a bird) and gather up nice banded Rhyolite and agate geodes (see the article on Clanton Canyon in a recent Rock & Gem magazine). I wouldn't worry too much about Round Mountain and the Black Hills area; they are above I-10 and much closer to settled areas. I worry more about the weather there than the coyotes. Incidentally, a part of the Round Mountain area was the ranch where Justice Sandra Day O'Connor grew up. She oughta' know her rocks... john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 14:25:35 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:25:35 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <40410F67.80208@hal-pc.org> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040227101814.03be8780@mail.aloha.net> <20040228160809.9ADECEBB6AF@delivery.infowest.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040228081010.02ec2370@mail.aloha.net> <40410F67.80208@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040228123504.03a03eb0@mail.aloha.net> Thanks very much for the Hogg family information. I'm glad to know they deserved respect. The names still seem like a heavy burden to put on a child...like "A Boy Named Sue." I wonder if the girls' mother thought it was a good idea also. Aloha, Kitty At 12:00 PM 2/28/2004, you wrote: >Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > >>This may be apocryphal, but when I was in college (also LONG ago) I was >>told there was a famous wealthy family in Texas last name of Hogg, and >>they named their two daughters Ima and Yura (not sure of spelling on that >>one, might be Eura). If true, I thought that was just plain mean! >> >>Aloha, Kitty > >The Hogg family established one of the Brazos sugar and cotton >plantations, oh so many eons ago. Jim Hogg was a one-time governor of >Texas. It's true that he named his daughters Ima and Ura. When asked why >he replied that it was good for them to reflect on their names once in a >while to understand that there is a lot more to life than privilege and >wealth. They acquited him well. Both became community leaders in >charitable works, civic and artistic groups. Miss Ima was renowned >world-wide for her exquisite taste and understanding of antiques. Her >home is now the Bayou Bend Museum in Houston which is worth a visit >anytime but especially when the azaleas are in bloom. The Hogg place >became the Varner-Hogg Plantation State Park. The family is well >remembered and honourably so. > >john --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 15:26:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Feb 28 15:26:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Update to Sauktown Sales website Message-ID: <002001c3fe50$a964cc20$645204d0@jim> I've updated the pricelist of micro material again. This time the = additions are from 2 more Michigan copper mine, the St. Clair and the = Ahmeek, and from the Gold Hill Mine, Tooele County, Utah. I apologize for any multiple mailings. Some getting this individually = also belong to the Rockhounds list. And of course, if you no longer want to see these updates, just tell me = so, and I'll take you off the list. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Feb 28 17:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Feb 28 17:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona References: <404115ED.5070203@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <003201c3fe65$e80fafc0$cfa4490c@pete> John, Do you happen to know what issue of Rock & Gem that article about Clanton Canyon was in? I'd like to see what it says. (I'll have to search for a copy--I think my subscription to Rock & Gem lapsed (unintentionally or through neglect, or whatever.)) Sincerely, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 07:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sun Feb 29 07:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona In-Reply-To: <003201c3fe65$e80fafc0$cfa4490c@pete> References: <404115ED.5070203@hal-pc.org> <003201c3fe65$e80fafc0$cfa4490c@pete> Message-ID: <40420C59.2090107@hal-pc.org> Peter J. Modreski wrote: >John, > >Do you happen to know what issue of Rock & Gem that article about Clanton >Canyon was in? I'd like to see what it says. (I'll have to search for a >copy--I think my subscription to Rock & Gem lapsed (unintentionally or >through neglect, or whatever.)) > >Sincerely, Pete > > May 2001. There is also a field trip report on Arizona Fire Agate sites in the same issue. The best resource I have found for that whole area is "Rock Collecting Near Lordsburg, New Mexico" by David Millis (privately published by Rock Doc). I secured my copy at The Royal Sceptre Rock Shop in Silver City NM. It is based on real field trips and real findings. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 08:03:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 29 08:03:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona References: <404115ED.5070203@hal-pc.org> <003201c3fe65$e80fafc0$cfa4490c@pete> <40420C59.2090107@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <000f01c3fedd$e9cc1740$aea5490c@pete> Thank you, John. I'll bet I actually have a copy of that Lordsburg area booklet--I've stopped at the Royal Sceptre shop in past years, and I'll bet a nickel I bought a copy of it--I just need to figure out where I have it. I recently heard that the Royal Sceptre shop has changed hands (perhaps it's under a different business name now), Susan Brians and her mom who use to run the shop have sold it to a fellow from Texas, I believe I was told. many thanks, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] quick trip to Arizona > May 2001. There is also a field trip report on Arizona Fire Agate sites in the same issue. > > The best resource I have found for that whole area is "Rock Collecting > Near Lordsburg, New Mexico" by David Millis (privately published by Rock > Doc). I secured my copy at The Royal Sceptre Rock Shop in Silver City > NM. It is based on real field trips and real findings. > > john > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 08:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 29 08:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <57.28775807.2d736a63@aol.com> I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! Flint In a message dated 2/28/2004 12:34:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, abloom@ucinet.com writes: > Rock names are great. I have a young friend named Mica. Sure wish I'd > thought of that for my son. Also must not forget the host of one of the news > shows, Stone Phillips. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 08:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 29 08:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <57.28775807.2d736a63@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> Now, at the risk of getting a little off topic on names [and kids grow up to be grownups, of course], the USGS spokesman for the National Earthquake Information Center, who often appears on national TV, is Waverly Person--just a bit of an unusual name. And that reminds me of a fellow (or were there two prominent people with this name?), I think he is/was either a prominent company president or he held some ministerial position in the Canadian or a provincial government, was Armand Hammer. (Now, my tenuous rock connection here is that baking soda occurs as a natural evaporite mineral, nahcolite, NaHCO3.) Then of course there's Rock Currier. And I've always been a little pleased that my own first name is derived from "rock" in Latin. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! > > Flint > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 08:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 29 08:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> References: <57.28775807.2d736a63@aol.com> <001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229071733.02d84a20@mail.aloha.net> Pete: Armand Hammer industrialist, art collector, philanthropist Born: 5/21/1898 Birthplace: New York City As the son of a Russian immigrant and doctor, Hammer in many respects followed in his father's footsteps, combining his father's liberal politics with his own shrewd business acumen. He made his first million running his father's pharmaceutical business while attending medical school at Columbia. He pioneered trading American grain for Soviet furs when he saw the widespread starvation in the Soviet Union while there to offer assistance during a typhus epidemic in 1921. Throughout his career, he promoted cultural exchanges between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, collecting Russian art . He oversaw the explosive growth of Occidental Petroleum, having purchased it as a near-bankrupt business and building it to a billion-dollar enterprise over 33 years through acquisitions and expansions. His philanthropic endeavors included being an unofficial ambassador to the Soviet Union, donating huge sums to Columbia University, the National Gallery, and the Metropolitan Museum of Art. He bequeathed his own extensive art collection to the Armand Hammer Museum in Los Angeles, which he had established in 1990. Died: 12/10/1990 Aloha, Kitty At 06:50 AM 2/29/2004, you wrote: >Now, at the risk of getting a little off topic on names [and kids grow up to >be grownups, of course], the USGS spokesman for the National Earthquake >Information Center, who often appears on national TV, is Waverly >Person--just a bit of an unusual name. And that reminds me of a fellow (or >were there two prominent people with this name?), I think he is/was either a >prominent company president or he held some ministerial position in the >Canadian or a provincial government, was Armand Hammer. (Now, my tenuous >rock connection here is that baking soda occurs as a natural evaporite >mineral, nahcolite, NaHCO3.) > >Then of course there's Rock Currier. And I've always been a little pleased >that my own first name is derived from "rock" in Latin. > >Pete Modreski --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 09:00:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rockhound) Date: Sun Feb 29 09:00:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040226190353.03ac0cb0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <052901c3fee4$fe22d4c0$02000003@kitchen> My son is called Joshua Geevor. After Geevor tin mine in Cornwall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: 27 February 2004 05:12 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > Hi all, > > Here's a fun observation: I just started teaching two after-school drama > classes at a local elementary school and found in the class that has kids > ages 4-7 a girl named Jade Stonerock. In the other class for kids ages > 7-11 was her bother named Flint Stonerock. Isn't that neat? I haven't met > a parent yet so haven't been able to ask about the heritage of the surname, > nor their choice of given names. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 09:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sun Feb 29 09:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229071733.02d84a20@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <000201c3fee5$9bbc7150$6501a8c0@moose> And to carry on the digression... Armamd Hammer at one time actually bought stock in... Wait for it.... Arm and Hammer company. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Kitty & Bill Heacox > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:19 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > Pete: > > Armand Hammer.... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 09:05:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Feb 29 09:05:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> Message-ID: Armand Hammer was apocryphally named by his socialist father after the hammer in the hammer and sickle icon of the Soviets. He was CEO of Occidental Petroleum and Hooker Chemical and indeed had very strong ties with the Soviet era governments. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > > Now, at the risk of getting a little off topic on names [and kids > grow up to > be grownups, of course], the USGS spokesman for the National Earthquake > Information Center, who often appears on national TV, is Waverly > Person--just a bit of an unusual name. And that reminds me of a > fellow (or > were there two prominent people with this name?), I think he > is/was either a > prominent company president or he held some ministerial position in the > Canadian or a provincial government, was Armand Hammer. (Now, my tenuous > rock connection here is that baking soda occurs as a natural evaporite > mineral, nahcolite, NaHCO3.) > > Then of course there's Rock Currier. And I've always been a > little pleased > that my own first name is derived from "rock" in Latin. > > Pete Modreski > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! > > > > Flint > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 09:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 29 09:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> References: <57.28775807.2d736a63@aol.com> <001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229071901.02d822b0@mail.aloha.net> In the late 1950's when Frisbees were particularly popular, my Physical Education teacher was named Miss Frisbee. At that same time in Seattle there were 2 brothers with the last name of Doctor; one became a dentist and the other a physician, so in the phone book you could find Dr. Doctor the dentist and Dr. Doctor the doctor. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but a few years ago the Royal Governor General of New Zealand was named Michael Hardie Boys. No kidding. So far as we could tell, Mr. Hardie Boys had no interest in solving mysteries nor did he have a friend named Nancy Drew. (Any of you who never read the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew mystery books are just too young!) And to make this message have something on topic, when we were in Australia we loved going through towns named Emerald, Sapphire, Rubyvale, Opalton, Serpentine, Limestone, Sandstone, Rockbank, Rocksberg, Rockvale, Rock Flat, and Rockhampton. Aloha, Kitty At 06:50 AM 2/29/2004, you wrote: >Now, at the risk of getting a little off topic on names [and kids grow up to >be grownups, of course], the USGS spokesman for the National Earthquake >Information Center, who often appears on national TV, is Waverly >Person--just a bit of an unusual name. And that reminds me of a fellow (or >were there two prominent people with this name?), I think he is/was either a >prominent company president or he held some ministerial position in the >Canadian or a provincial government, was Armand Hammer. (Now, my tenuous >rock connection here is that baking soda occurs as a natural evaporite >mineral, nahcolite, NaHCO3.) > >Then of course there's Rock Currier. And I've always been a little pleased >that my own first name is derived from "rock" in Latin. > >Pete Modreski > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! > > > > Flint > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 10:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229084212.02e008c0@mail.aloha.net> Hi List, If you go to the site below today you'll see 2 neat pictures of high surf off a beach here on the Big Island, and a whale breaching. The surf was generated by a huge storm that passed over the islands this weekend, dumping 9" of rain in places and blowing down trees and causing power outages. If you check the same site tomorrow you will undoubtedly see the photo that was on the front page of our newspaper this morning, of the snow that the storm left on Mauna Kea. http://www.hilohawaiitribune.com/ Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 10:36:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:36:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WTB: manganese nodules References: <20040228020001.14065.96392.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040228093015.022c9008@mail.accesstoledo.com> Message-ID: <019d01c3fef4$143fb2a0$1005efd1@oemcomputer> I'm looking for a source of ocean floor manganese nodules, wholesale prices and quantities. There are good websites out there discussing their origin, mining, etc., but quite a bit of Googling hasn't gotten me the name of somebody that can supply the things, except one at a time for $20-$30 a pop. Can anybody suggest a source? Many thanks for any help! Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 10:44:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <57.28775807.2d736a63@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c3fef2$7f9f6880$683e27c4@horstspc> Hi all, Just digressing (or going off on a tangent), here in Pretoria there is a suburb (Americans have a different name for this concept, but I think you know what I mean called Proclamation Hill. All the streets running North/South are named after industrial minerals/metals/elements -Cobalt, Chrome, Mercury,M mica, Nickel, Radium, Silicon and Tungsten. The streets running East/West are named after indigenous South African trees and lants - Acacia, Karee, Kiaat, Kiepersol, Kruisbessie, Mimosa, Olive, Protea, Sering and Taaibos. In a newer suburb on the eastern outskirts of Pretoria is a suburb called Elardus Park which includes amongst others names of rocks and minerals, airplanes and some Scottish ones. In the first category are Amethyst, Apatite, Asbestos, Augite, Biotite, Calcite, Chlorite, Diabase, Dunite, Feldspar, Felsite, Granophyre, Gypsum, Halite, Hematite, Hornblende, Jasper, Magnetite, Muscovite, Orthoclase, Pitchblende, Platinum, Pyroxene, Sandstone and Shale In all cases of the minerals/metals/elements/rocks/minerals I have used the English version of spelling of the street names. Some are actually spelt in Afrikaans, which is also one of our eleven official languages in South Africa Kind regards, Horst . ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! > > Flint > > In a message dated 2/28/2004 12:34:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, > abloom@ucinet.com writes: > > > Rock names are great. I have a young friend named Mica. Sure wish I'd > > thought of that for my son. Also must not forget the host of one of the news > > shows, Stone Phillips. > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 10:53:14 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:53:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <57.28775807.2d736a63@aol.com><001701c3fee4$315ec980$aea5490c@pete> <6.0.3.0.0.20040229071901.02d822b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <006f01c3fef5$3adde890$6402a8c0@axel> My wife's first name is Christel, which sounds like 'crystal' when pronounced in Dutch or German. She does not fluoresce but heck, nobody's perfect... Another 2 cents worth... Axel ;-)))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In the late 1950's when Frisbees were particularly popular, my Physical Education teacher was named Miss Frisbee. At that same time in Seattle there were 2 brothers with the last name of Doctor; one became a dentist and the other a physician, so in the phone book you could find Dr. Doctor the dentist and Dr. Doctor the doctor. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but a few years ago the Royal Governor General of New Zealand was named Michael Hardie Boys. No kidding. So far as we could tell, Mr. Hardie Boys had no interest in solving mysteries nor did he have a friend named Nancy Drew. (Any of you who never read the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew mystery books are just too young!) And to make this message have something on topic, when we were in Australia we loved going through towns named Emerald, Sapphire, Rubyvale, Opalton, Serpentine, Limestone, Sandstone, Rockbank, Rocksberg, Rockvale, Rock Flat, and Rockhampton. Aloha, Kitty At 06:50 AM 2/29/2004, you wrote: >Now, at the risk of getting a little off topic on names [and kids grow up to >be grownups, of course], the USGS spokesman for the National Earthquake >Information Center, who often appears on national TV, is Waverly >Person--just a bit of an unusual name. And that reminds me of a fellow (or >were there two prominent people with this name?), I think he is/was either a >prominent company president or he held some ministerial position in the >Canadian or a provincial government, was Armand Hammer. (Now, my tenuous >rock connection here is that baking soda occurs as a natural evaporite >mineral, nahcolite, NaHCO3.) > >Then of course there's Rock Currier. And I've always been a little pleased >that my own first name is derived from "rock" in Latin. > >Pete Modreski > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! > > > > Flint > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 10:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reference material Message-ID: <46.481a8db5.2d738f55@aol.com> After collecting a nice collecton of slabs, I am now ready to jump into the next arena of making Cabs. I would appreciate any Links and Sites on Cab making. I would like to make a self help reference library so I can teach myself. If you know of sites that have instruction, please send me the addresses. Thanks from a newbe Kathy C. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 11:06:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Feb 29 11:06:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <000601c3fef2$7f9f6880$683e27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <001201c3fef6$faa20d40$5fc3f051@maxdata> And what about Dr. Ernest H. NICKEL, famous mineralogist working for an Australian Exploration and Mining Company ? Or Prof. Dr. Javier LASERNA (University of Malaga, Spain), one of the best European specialists in LIBS (Laser induced breakdown spectroscopy) ? Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Horst Windisch *Sent: zondag 29 februari 2004 19:30 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names * * *Hi all, * *Just digressing (or going off on a tangent), here in Pretoria *there is a suburb (Americans have a different name for this *concept, but I think you know what I mean called Proclamation *Hill. All the streets running North/South are named after *industrial minerals/metals/elements -Cobalt, Chrome, Mercury,M *mica, Nickel, Radium, Silicon and Tungsten. The streets *running East/West are named after indigenous South African *trees and lants - Acacia, Karee, Kiaat, Kiepersol, *Kruisbessie, Mimosa, Olive, Protea, Sering and Taaibos. * *In a newer suburb on the eastern outskirts of Pretoria is a *suburb called Elardus Park which includes amongst others names *of rocks and minerals, airplanes and some Scottish ones. In *the first category are Amethyst, Apatite, Asbestos, Augite, *Biotite, Calcite, Chlorite, Diabase, Dunite, Feldspar, *Felsite, Granophyre, Gypsum, Halite, Hematite, Hornblende, *Jasper, Magnetite, Muscovite, Orthoclase, Pitchblende, *Platinum, Pyroxene, Sandstone and Shale * *In all cases of the minerals/metals/elements/rocks/minerals I *have used the English version of spelling of the street names. *Some are actually spelt in Afrikaans, which is also one of our *eleven official languages in South Africa * *Kind regards, *Horst . *----- Original Message ----- *From: *To: *Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:16 PM *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names * * *> I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! *> *> Flint *> *> In a message dated 2/28/2004 12:34:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, *> abloom@ucinet.com writes: *> *> > Rock names are great. I have a young friend named Mica. Sure wish *> > I'd thought of that for my son. Also must not forget the *host of one *> > of the *news *> > shows, Stone Phillips. *> > *> > *> *> *> *> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- *multipart/alternative *> text/plain (text body -- kept) *> text/html *> --- *> _______________________________________________ *> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *> Subscription Services: *> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds *> *> * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 11:25:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Feb 29 11:25:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <000601c3fef2$7f9f6880$683e27c4@horstspc> Message-ID: Actually suburb would be the term used here in the US too. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > Hi all, > > Just digressing (or going off on a tangent), here in Pretoria there is a > suburb (Americans have a different name for this concept, but I think you > know what I mean called Proclamation Hill. All the streets running > North/South are named after industrial minerals/metals/elements -Cobalt, > Chrome, Mercury,M mica, Nickel, Radium, Silicon and Tungsten. The streets > running East/West are named after indigenous South African trees and > lants - Acacia, Karee, Kiaat, Kiepersol, Kruisbessie, Mimosa, Olive, > Protea, Sering and Taaibos. > > In a newer suburb on the eastern outskirts of Pretoria is a suburb called > Elardus Park which includes amongst others names of rocks and minerals, > airplanes and some Scottish ones. In the first category are Amethyst, > Apatite, Asbestos, Augite, Biotite, Calcite, Chlorite, Diabase, Dunite, > Feldspar, Felsite, Granophyre, Gypsum, Halite, Hematite, > Hornblende, Jasper, > Magnetite, Muscovite, Orthoclase, Pitchblende, Platinum, > Pyroxene, Sandstone > and Shale > > In all cases of the minerals/metals/elements/rocks/minerals I > have used the > English version of spelling of the street names. Some are > actually spelt in > Afrikaans, which is also one of our eleven official languages in South > Africa > > Kind regards, > Horst . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > I once met a guy named Flint Smith. Oh wait!, that was me! > > > > Flint > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2004 12:34:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > abloom@ucinet.com writes: > > > > > Rock names are great. I have a young friend named Mica. Sure wish I'd > > > thought of that for my son. Also must not forget the host of > one of the > news > > > shows, Stone Phillips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 12:01:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Sun Feb 29 12:01:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <006f01c3fef5$3adde890$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: on 2/29/04 12:52 PM, Axel Emmermann at axel.emmermann@pandora.be wrote: > My wife's first name is Christel, which sounds like 'crystal' when > pronounced in Dutch or German. > She does not fluoresce but heck, nobody's perfect... > > Another 2 cents worth... > > Axel ;-)))) > Hey, while we are on this track, the person who held this job teaching geology before me was Paul Hlava - which I think is a terrific name for a geologist. I till run into Paul occasionally at rock shows, etc. Paul, you out there somewhere? By the way, my initials as B.C. also seem good for a geologist. Bill Cordua From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 15:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 29 15:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: Message-ID: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> Hmmm, indeed Bill ! But when geologists say "B.C." they usually mean "a lot B.C."... Even long before the days when men with big clubs said things like: "Me Argh, you (WHACK) unconscious" to a girl on a first date. (apologies to Mr. Edgar Rice Burroughs) Those were also the days when woman had their headaches AFTERWARDS... (ROFL, politically highly incorrect but still... ROFL) Argh... pardon, Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Cordua" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > on 2/29/04 12:52 PM, Axel Emmermann at axel.emmermann@pandora.be wrote: > > > My wife's first name is Christel, which sounds like 'crystal' when > > pronounced in Dutch or German. > > She does not fluoresce but heck, nobody's perfect... > > > > Another 2 cents worth... > > > > Axel ;-)))) > > > Hey, while we are on this track, the person who held this job teaching > geology before me was Paul Hlava - which I think is a terrific name for a > geologist. I till run into Paul occasionally at rock shows, etc. Paul, you > out there somewhere? > > By the way, my initials as B.C. also seem good for a geologist. > > Bill Cordua > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 15:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Sun Feb 29 15:33:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >Hmmm, indeed Bill ! >But when geologists say "B.C." they usually mean "a lot B.C."... Even long >before the days when men with big clubs said things like: "Me Argh, you >(WHACK) unconscious" to a girl on a first date. (apologies to Mr. Edgar Rice >Burroughs) >Those were also the days when woman had their headaches AFTERWARDS... (ROFL, >politically highly incorrect but still... ROFL) > >Argh... pardon, Axel > > > Lordie. Aren't there any John Smiths or Sally Browns anymore? Pretty soon we'll be able to look up somebody's name in the phone book and actually know they are the right person... Speaking of the Hammer, I went and looked on a box of baking soda to see where it came from, which is the "Arm & Hammer Division of Church and Dwight Co" of Princeton NJ. Mr. A. H. did seem to get around. Funny, I sort of assumed that a baking soda company would be located close to a source of Trona, like the borax companies are near Death Valley. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 15:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Feb 29 15:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem to me to be too unstable for that to happen. And Axel, not to pick nits, but I don't think ERB ever wrote anything like that. Tarzan was a rather violent character in the books, nothing like the flicks they made. Bryan > > >Hmmm, indeed Bill ! > >But when geologists say "B.C." they usually mean "a lot B.C."... > Even long > >before the days when men with big clubs said things like: "Me Argh, you > >(WHACK) unconscious" to a girl on a first date. (apologies to > Mr. Edgar Rice > >Burroughs) > >Those were also the days when woman had their headaches > AFTERWARDS... (ROFL, > >politically highly incorrect but still... ROFL) > > > >Argh... pardon, Axel > > > > > > > > Lordie. Aren't there any John Smiths or Sally Browns anymore? Pretty > soon we'll be able to look up somebody's name in the phone book and > actually know they are the right person... > > Speaking of the Hammer, I went and looked on a box of baking soda to see > where it came > from, which is the "Arm & Hammer Division of Church and Dwight Co" of > Princeton NJ. > Mr. A. H. did seem to get around. Funny, I sort of assumed that a baking > soda company would be located close to a source of Trona, like the borax > companies are near Death Valley. > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 17:06:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Feb 29 17:06:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <1de.199a84a9.2d73e639@aol.com> There are huge deposits of Trona in Wyoming. Trona is a hydrated sodium carbonate-bicarbonate. It is mined to produce enormous quantities of soda ash for glass making and other end uses. Years ago I got to go down in one of the mines... 1700 ft under ground to see them mine it. Gene Hartstein In a message dated 2/29/2004 6:48:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes: Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem to me to be too unstable for that to happen. And Axel, not to pick nits, but I don't think ERB ever wrote anything like that. Tarzan was a rather violent character in the books, nothing like the flicks they made. Bryan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 17:23:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Feb 29 17:23:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <1de.199a84a9.2d73e639@aol.com> Message-ID: I've heard of Trona but obviously didn't know the composition. Is that near Rock Springs, WY. It seem like I heard of Trona mines near there when we went thru a few years ago. We'll probably be near there again this summer on our annual trip. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > There are huge deposits of Trona in Wyoming. Trona is a hydrated sodium > carbonate-bicarbonate. It is mined to produce enormous quantities > of soda ash for > glass making and other end uses. Years ago I got to go down in one of the > mines... 1700 ft under ground to see them mine it. > > Gene Hartstein > > > In a message dated 2/29/2004 6:48:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jbryankramer@msn.com writes: > > Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem > to me to be > too unstable for that to happen. And Axel, not to pick nits, but I don't > think ERB ever wrote anything like that. Tarzan was a rather violent > character in the books, nothing like the flicks they made. > > Bryan > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 17:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 29 17:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: Message-ID: <002d01c3ff30$387dfdc0$84a4490c@pete> Hi Bill, Interesting that you said Paul Hlava once held the same teaching job where you are (let's see now, I'm trying to remember where you are, or decode uwrf--I get it, it's Univ. of Wisconsin, River Falls, right?). I'm surprised to hear that--I've known Paul for a long time, he's been at Sandia Laboratories "forever", and before that I thought he was just in grad school, I believe, at UNM. Didn't know he had any life before that. Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 17:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 29 17:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: Message-ID: <004101c3ff30$f1a8f200$84a4490c@pete> And unlike trona, nahcolite--a bona fide mineral too--is anhydrous NaHCO3, exactly the same composition as the baking soda in the Arm & Hammer box. It occurs in the subsurface (too soluble & unstable to hold up in weathered rock) in the Green River Formation, in the Piceance Creek Basin of NW Colorado. I've seen it--actually forms nice little patches/lenses of pale amber-colored, crystalline material. They mine it by solution-mining, using hot pressured water to leach the sodium bicarbonate out of the rock. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem to me to be too unstable for that to happen.... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 18:00:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:00:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229084212.02e008c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <004c01c3ff31$3ff05020$84a4490c@pete> Kitty, they must have taken those pictures off the Hilo Tribune website, all I see there is one photo of somebody's light airplane in a hanger. And a story about the thunderstorm & snow on Mauna Kea, but I didn't notice the surf particularly mentioned (I skimmed it real quick). Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 18:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos In-Reply-To: <004c01c3ff31$3ff05020$84a4490c@pete> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229084212.02e008c0@mail.aloha.net> <004c01c3ff31$3ff05020$84a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229165203.038e12b0@mail.aloha.net> OK, I copied the pictures off to a word document this morning. I can send them to anyone who's interested, or if anyone has a website I can post it to, let me know. Kreigh? It's not rocks, of course. One picture shows a young woman and a little girl watching heavy surf that was kicked up by a huge storm. The second photo shows the woman turning away, and thus missing the sight of a humpback whale breaching behind her. I also took some digital pictures this morning of the snow on Mauna Kea---from the same storm---that I can share. It makes the mountain look more like Mt. Rainier than a mountain in the Pacific Ocean. Of course Mauna Kea is almost as tall as Mt. Rainier, and it has glacial moraines left from the last ice age. Aloha, Kitty At 04:02 PM 2/29/2004, you wrote: >Kitty, they must have taken those pictures off the Hilo Tribune website, all >I see there is one photo of somebody's light airplane in a hanger. And a >story about the thunderstorm & snow on Mauna Kea, but I didn't notice the >surf particularly mentioned (I skimmed it real quick). > >Pete > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 20:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Sun Feb 29 20:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229165203.038e12b0@mail.aloha.net> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229084212.02e008c0@mail.aloha.net> <004c01c3ff31$3ff05020$84a4490c@pete> <6.0.3.0.0.20040229165203.038e12b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <8ED44DA6-6B35-11D8-89F4-000A95AF049E@mac.com> i do have a site if necessary ;) ~KM Violence is permissible even desirable occasionally On Feb 29, 2004, at 7:14 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > OK, I copied the pictures off to a word document this morning. I can > send them to anyone who's interested, or if anyone has a website I can > post it to, let me know. Kreigh? It's not rocks, of course. One > picture shows a young woman and a little girl watching heavy surf that > was kicked up by a huge storm. The second photo shows the woman > turning away, and thus missing the sight of a humpback whale breaching > behind her. I also took some digital pictures this morning of the > snow on Mauna Kea---from the same storm---that I can share. It makes > the mountain look more like Mt. Rainier than a mountain in the Pacific > Ocean. Of course Mauna Kea is almost as tall as Mt. Rainier, and it > has glacial moraines left from the last ice age. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Feb 29 20:40:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 29 20:40:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229084212.02e008c0@mail.aloha.net> <004c01c3ff31$3ff05020$84a4490c@pete> <6.0.3.0.0.20040229165203.038e12b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <005e01c3ff47$a43985e0$84a4490c@pete> Hi Kitty, Sure, I'd like to see the surf (and whale) photos. Please send them to me at my office email, pmodreski@usgs.gov, and I'll see them in the morning when I log in there. And the snow on Mauna Kea too, if you care to. Thank you! Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos > OK, I copied the pictures off to a word document this morning. I can send > them to anyone who's interested, or if anyone has a website I can post it > to, let me know. Kreigh? It's not rocks, of course. One picture shows a > young woman and a little girl watching heavy surf that was kicked up by a > huge storm. The second photo shows the woman turning away, and thus > missing the sight of a humpback whale breaching behind her. I also took > some digital pictures this morning of the snow on Mauna Kea---from the same > storm---that I can share. It makes the mountain look more like Mt. Rainier > than a mountain in the Pacific Ocean. 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