From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 02:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 1 02:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: Message-ID: <003901c3ff7b$ebb0d200$6402a8c0@axel> > Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem to me to be > too unstable for that to happen. I'm not sure... could be another of those socalled geological CO2-regulators that takes up CO2 when there's plenty in the atmosphere and releases it later... > And Axel, not to pick nits, but I don't > think ERB ever wrote anything like that. I'm sure he didn't.... but just like Sherlock Holmes, Ivanhoe, William Tell, Robin Hood he became a "public" imaginary hero so anybody can let him say anything as long as it falls within the guidelines of "Legendmaking for Dummies ;-))) Things like: Me Tarzan, you "je ne sais quoi" Me... puff... Tar...puf...zan, you ...puff.... FAST.... 98...99...100... Me Tarzan, you where? Me Tarzan, you... oooolyoooolyolyooooo... Sorry, me knock first next time >Tarzan was a rather violent > character in the books, nothing like the flicks they made. You break my heart, Brian ... are you telling me that Disney was not completely truthfull? ;-))) I saw that one and LMAO at moments, saw the Johnny Weissmüller flics too... hey... those were the fifties. Even Greystoke was... well, interesting entertainment. When you make a film of a classic book, the people in the story die and are recreated. Happens all the time. I guess those Victorian upper-class ladies of ERB's time needed a sowhat violent man to dream about in their dull and mostly indoor existance.... ah...the blushing... the fainting... ;-))) Cheers Axel > > >Hmmm, indeed Bill ! > > >But when geologists say "B.C." they usually mean "a lot B.C."... > > Even long > > >before the days when men with big clubs said things like: "Me Argh, you > > >(WHACK) unconscious" to a girl on a first date. (apologies to > > Mr. Edgar Rice > > >Burroughs) > > >Those were also the days when woman had their headaches > > AFTERWARDS... (ROFL, > > >politically highly incorrect but still... ROFL) > > > > > >Argh... pardon, Axel > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 06:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Mon Mar 1 06:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help locating reference In-Reply-To: <009601c3fbe3$64e23480$6401a8c0@S0029989181> References: <146.22811aa4.2d68194d@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040301092341.00e162f8@pop.megalink.net> Hello All, Does anyone have a copy of D.C. McGregor and J. Terasmae's "Paleobotanical excursion.....to the Gaspe Peninsula, New Brunswick and northwestern Nova Scotia" Geological Survey of Canada, 9th International Botanical Congress, Misc. Report A, 1959 ?? that they would be willing to sell, lend to have photocopied, or ????? I have tried Canadian sources to no avail... With best wishes, Duane From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 06:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 06:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <328D2384.7778211E.02180873@aol.com> As I understand it they mine both simultaneously out of the formation by solution mining. Ultimately it is recrystallized and dried. they can separate the carbonate from the bicarb by crystallization. There is a much larger market for the sodium carbonate than for the bicarbonate. I took a few pieces of the Nacholite out of the mine, but they are too unstable when exposed to air and tend to get very powdery surfaces. They were as you described them when fresh. Gene Hartstein Gene Hartstein In a message dated 2/29/2004 9:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Peter J. Modreski" writes: >And unlike trona, nahcolite--a bona fide mineral too--is anhydrous NaHCO3, >exactly the same composition as the baking soda in the Arm & Hammer box.  It >occurs in the subsurface (too soluble & unstable to hold up in weathered >rock) in the Green River Formation, in the Piceance Creek Basin of NW >Colorado.  I've seen it--actually forms nice little patches/lenses of pale >amber-colored, crystalline material.  They mine it by solution-mining, using >hot pressured water to leach the sodium bicarbonate out of the rock. > >Pete > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J Bryan Kramer" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:47 PM >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > >> >> Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem to me to >be too unstable for that to happen.... > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 06:38:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Mon Mar 1 06:38:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help locating reference References: <146.22811aa4.2d68194d@aol.com> <4.3.1.0.20040301092341.00e162f8@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <01a401c3ff9c$124998a0$6c05efd1@oemcomputer> Tried Ed Rogers? He's got a ton of paleo titles. www.geology-books.com No chance of getting somebody at the GSC to copy it for you? I've had Canadian institutions help me out with obscure papers. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane" To: Sent: March 1, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Help locating reference > Hello All, > Does anyone have a copy of D.C. McGregor and J. Terasmae's > "Paleobotanical excursion.....to the Gaspe Peninsula, New Brunswick and > northwestern Nova Scotia" Geological Survey of Canada, 9th International > Botanical Congress, Misc. Report A, 1959 ?? that they would be willing to > sell, lend to have photocopied, or ????? I have tried Canadian sources to > no avail... With best wishes, Duane > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 06:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 1 06:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reference material In-Reply-To: <46.481a8db5.2d738f55@aol.com> References: <46.481a8db5.2d738f55@aol.com> Message-ID: <40434FBF.2020605@hal-pc.org> Kpduties8@aol.com wrote: >After collecting a nice collecton of slabs, I am now ready to jump into the >next arena of making Cabs. > >I would appreciate any Links and Sites on Cab making. I would like to make a >self help reference library so I can teach myself. If you know of sites that >have instruction, please send me the addresses. > >Thanks from a newbe >Kathy C. > > > First, take a look at "Cabochon Mkaing 101" at www.rockhounds.com. Second, take a look around the rock shops and/or the internet for: "The Art of Gem Cutting" by Dr. H. C. Dake , 7th Ed. (Gembooks,1970) "Cabachon Cutting" by Jack R. Cox (Gembooks, 1970) "Specialized Gem Cutting" by Jack R. Cox (Gembooks, 1970) "How To Use Diamond Abrasives To Cut Gemstones" by Arthur L. Riggle" (Gem Guides Book Company, 1987) The Dake and Cox books are old but still very good. The Riggle book is usually packed along with new diamond lapidary units. I know that at least two of the books are available from www. kingsleynorth.com. But most if not all rock shops have them too. Third, don't buy any equipment just yet. Find out first if you really like what you are doing before spending a small fortune on lapidary stuff. You'll need to trim the slabs into preforms so you need to find someone with a rock saw. You'll need to grind the cabs, so you'll need to find someone with a grinder and the accessories like dop sticks and wax. All that adds up to finding a local rockhound or group that has a shop and is willing to supervise you while using it. Fourth, that local rockhound/jewelry maker is your best resource bar none. Usually he/she is a member of a club which has classes and a shop, and is willing to patiently teach you how to do it...right the first time. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 07:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 1 07:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <328D2384.7778211E.02180873@aol.com> References: <328D2384.7778211E.02180873@aol.com> Message-ID: <40435577.8050004@hal-pc.org> FOSSILNUT@aol.com wrote: >As I understand it they mine both simultaneously out of the formation by solution mining. Ultimately it is recrystallized and dried. they can separate the carbonate from the bicarb by crystallization. There is a much larger market for the sodium carbonate than for the bicarbonate. I took a few pieces of the Nacholite out of the mine, but they are too unstable when exposed to air and tend to get very powdery surfaces. They were as you described them when fresh. > >Gene Hartstein > >In a message dated 2/29/2004 9:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Peter J. Modreski" writes: > > >>And unlike trona, nahcolite--a bona fide mineral too--is anhydrous NaHCO3, >>exactly the same composition as the baking soda in the Arm & Hammer box. It >>occurs in the subsurface (too soluble & unstable to hold up in weathered >>rock) in the Green River Formation, in the Piceance Creek Basin of NW >>Colorado. I've seen it--actually forms nice little patches/lenses of pale >>amber-colored, crystalline material. They mine it by solution-mining, using >>hot pressured water to leach the sodium bicarbonate out of the rock. >> >>Pete >> >> >> >>Does Sodium Bicarbonate occur naturally as a salt? It would seem to me to >> >> >>be too unstable for that to happen.... >> One interesting aspect of this mining is: Where do they get the water for solution? In the arid areas of Wyoming where trona occurs, there is no surface water to speak of; they have to use deep wells or import water from...the Snake River. Now what happens to the waste water which has a small but significent amount of Sodium in it, and a very great volume. It would seem to go back into the Snake River watershed, a brand new pollution for a Wild River. Not ot mention the change in ground water flow due to pumping out the deep wells. Sometimes things cost more than they seem. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 08:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 1 08:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> Hi John, > Lordie. Aren't there any John Smiths ... anymore? Yes, there are thousands of them. You don't see them often because they all seem to live in hotels and motels of ill reputation... They are all happily married (according to the hotel registers they all brought along Mrs. Smith). >Pretty soon we'll be able to look up somebody's name in the phone book and > actually know they are the right person... That will be the day ;-))) In my case: there are probably less than 10 Axel Emmermann in the whole of Western Europe. I know of three: 1) Me 2) a German U-boat commander that was rather famous during WW2. But I think he died some time ago. 3) A Professor in Physics at some German University. Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 08:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 1 08:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >Hi John, > > > >>Lordie. Aren't there any John Smiths ... anymore? >> >> > >Yes, there are thousands of them. You don't see them often because they all >seem to live in hotels and motels of ill reputation... They are all happily >married (according to the hotel registers they all brought along Mrs. >Smith). > > > >>Pretty soon we'll be able to look up somebody's name in the phone book and >>actually know they are the right person... >> >> > >That will be the day ;-))) >In my case: there are probably less than 10 Axel Emmermann in the whole of >Western Europe. >I know of three: >1) Me >2) a German U-boat commander that was rather famous during WW2. But I think >he died some time ago. >3) A Professor in Physics at some German University. > >Cheers > >Axel > > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up with 930 references. You're practically famous! john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 08:52:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 08:52:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lapidary Journal at a Library in Montreal Message-ID: <20040301165115.BRNZ1231.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hi everyone, Bit of an unusual question. I have a good friend visiting Montreal from the artic regions where she usually lives and where there is no library and not much of other amenities either. I would like to show her my "Antique Stone Table" restoration story in the September L-J. Can anyone on the list tell me with assurance, (not speculatively "ought to have it") whether there is a library in Montreal (or similar, or a contact) where she could view this issue of L-J? Thanks! Hans Durstling still in California From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 08:52:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 08:52:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lapidary Journal at a Library in Montreal Message-ID: <20040301165125.ZFHZ21310.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hi everyone, Bit of an unusual question. I have a good friend visiting Montreal from the artic regions where she usually lives and where there is no library and not much of other amenities either. I would like to show her my "Antique Stone Table" restoration story in the September L-J. Can anyone on the list tell me with assurance, (not speculatively "ought to have it") whether there is a library in Montreal (or similar, or a contact) where she could view this issue of L-J? Thanks! Hans Durstling still in California From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 08:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Mon Mar 1 08:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <002d01c3ff30$387dfdc0$84a4490c@pete> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Yes, you've got my school right - U. W. - River Falls. I started here in 1973. Paul was here a couple of years before me, and I don't think he stayed here long before moving west. I would see Paul's name on boxes of stuff he collected for the U, so it was fun to run into him several years ago in Tucson. Between Paul and I was a fellow named Steve Burrell (pronounced beryl) which is also kind of funny. Best wishes - Bill Cordua on 2/29/04 7:55 PM, Peter J. Modreski at pjmodreski@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Interesting that you said Paul Hlava once held the same teaching job where > you are (let's see now, I'm trying to remember where you are, or decode > uwrf--I get it, it's Univ. of Wisconsin, River Falls, right?). I'm > surprised to hear that--I've known Paul for a long time, he's been at Sandia > Laboratories "forever", and before that I thought he was just in grad > school, I believe, at UNM. Didn't know he had any life before that. > > Pete Modreski > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 09:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 1 09:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up > with 930 references. > You're practically famous! > > john Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out another 70 hits... I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 09:40:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Mon Mar 1 09:40:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... what google do you use? my google http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') or do I use the wrong google ;-) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha now I'm crying ;-) cheers! Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up > > with 930 references. > > You're practically famous! > > > > john > > > Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) > > Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out > another 70 hits... > I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) > > Axel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 10:26:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 10:26:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <27.521225b2.2d74da30@aol.com> Frank, I tried your link. You have the correct google (google.com), but I believe you ended Axel's last name with an "man" instead of an "mann"..(also I believe NOT using quotes will get you that full number ..cheers! -Ron In a message dated 3/1/2004 12:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, frankdewit@home.nl writes: mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... what google do you use? my google http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 &newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') or do I use the wrong google ;-) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8& oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha now I'm crying ;-) cheers! Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up > > with 930 references. > > You're practically famous! > > > > john > > > Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) > > Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out > another 70 hits... > I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) > > Axel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 10:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 1 10:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Message-ID: <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> Try Emmermann with the double "n", typical for the Elzas-Lotharingen area on the French-German border and Friesland (North of Holland). My father's father's name was EmmermaNN (Elzas) who married a woman from Friesland, named ResmaNN. My father, Leo EMMERmann, married my mother who's maiden name was EMMERs. As the great British chief Shaking Spear said: "What's in a name?" ;-))) Cheers Axel . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank de Wit" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... > what google do you use? > my google > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N > only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') > or do I use the wrong google ;-) > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N > I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha > now I'm crying ;-) > > cheers! Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up > > > with 930 references. > > > You're practically famous! > > > > > > john > > > > > > Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) > > > > Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out > > another 70 hits... > > I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) > > > > Axel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 10:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Mon Mar 1 10:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> Message-ID: <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> I knew I was doing something wrong (as always ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > Try Emmermann with the double "n", typical for the Elzas-Lotharingen area on > the French-German border and Friesland (North of Holland). > > My father's father's name was EmmermaNN (Elzas) who married a woman from > Friesland, named ResmaNN. > My father, Leo EMMERmann, married my mother who's maiden name was EMMERs. > > As the great British chief Shaking Spear said: "What's in a name?" ;-))) > > Cheers > > Axel > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank de Wit" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... > > what google do you use? > > my google > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N > > only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') > > or do I use the wrong google ;-) > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N > > I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha > > now I'm crying ;-) > > > > cheers! Frank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Axel Emmermann" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > > > > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came > up > > > > with 930 references. > > > > You're practically famous! > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) > > > > > > Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out > > > another 70 hits... > > > I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "john" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 11:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 11:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <7833038E.5B998160.02180873@aol.com> The water gets reused to a great extent. By doing a multiple effect evaporation and then cooling the solution to crystallize and filter the solids, most of the water comes back as a weak solution after the filtrate and condensate are mixed. Purge off a side stream of contaminants like sulfates and send the water back for another ride. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 3/1/2004 10:23:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, john writes: >One interesting aspect of this mining is: Where do they get the water >for solution?  In the arid areas of Wyoming where trona occurs, there is >no surface water to speak of; they have to use deep wells or import >water from...the Snake River.  Now what happens to the waste water which >has a small but significent amount of Sodium in it, and a very great >volume.  It would seem to go back into the Snake River watershed, a >brand new pollution for a Wild River.  Not ot mention the change in >ground water flow due to pumping out the deep wells.  Sometimes things >cost more than they seem. > >john > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 14:48:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 14:48:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: There is a Trona California, not a Trona Wyoming as I recall. Anyway the big mines are in the Green River area. Gene In a message dated 2/29/2004 8:23:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryankramer@msn.com writes: I've heard of Trona but obviously didn't know the composition. Is that near Rock Springs, WY. It seem like I heard of Trona mines near there when we went thru a few years ago. We'll probably be near there again this summer on our annual trip. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > There are huge deposits of Trona in Wyoming. Trona is a hydrated sodium > carbonate-bicarbonate. It is mined to produce enormous quantities > of soda ash for > glass making and other end uses. Years ago I got to go down in one of the > mines... 1700 ft under ground to see them mine it. > > Gene Hartstein > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 17:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Mon Mar 1 17:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan Mine buffs? Message-ID: <4043E50D.1040600@plateautel.net> Are there any people with an interest in Michigan Mines? Particularly the Cliffs Shaft Mine? Off list please. A & W From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 18:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 1 18:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Message-ID: <4043EECE.4669@Tomaszewski.net> You left the last 'n' off Axel's name. Kreigh Tomaszewski Frank de Wit wrote: > > mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... > what google do you use? > my google > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N > only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') > or do I use the wrong google ;-) > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N > I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha > now I'm crying ;-) > > cheers! Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up > > > with 930 references. > > > You're practically famous! > > > > > > john > > > > > > Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) > > > > Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out > > another 70 hits... > > I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) > > > > Axel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 19:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Mar 1 19:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] cystoids References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4043EECE.4669@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <183c01c40007$baf66ee0$42cd94d1@remains> Hi I have a couple of very nice cystoids for sale. They are Ordovician material from Ontario, and have been prepped out from both sides!! If you are interested in either or both of these, and would like to see the photos, please email me and I will send them off to you. thanks Michael Pleurocystites squamosus Bobcaygeon Formation, Trenton Group, Middle Ordovician Simcoe Co., Ontario Pleuro.10 6 cm (2.8 cm theca, 2.5 cm arms, 0.9 cm stem) Excellently preserved specimen, expertly airdent prepared out of the matrix. Both sides of the cystoid have been prepped. Over 4 hours of preparation time. 200.00 US Pleurocystites squamosus Bobcaygeon Formation, Trenton Group, Middle Ordovician Simcoe Co., Ontario Pleuro. 11 7.7 cm (3.7 cm theca, 2.2 cm longest arm, 2.2 cm stem) Excellently preserved specimen, expertly airdent prepared out of the matrix. Both sides of the cystoid have been prepped. Over 4 hours of preparation time. 200.00 US Both specimens for $350 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 20:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Bese) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #727 - 23 msgs Message-ID: In reference to your question regarding cab making; check with local community colleges on jewelry making clases. You'll get to use their equiptment and find which way you want to go. Friend of mine took one and the things she showed me were fantastic; they even designed their own ring mounts and cast them. --- David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 1 20:48:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:48:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #727 - 23 msgs Message-ID: <6b.2365b39d.2d756bd1@aol.com> Thank you John. I have access to the equipment through a lost wax class I am taking, the only problem is the teacher likes to do the work instead of showing us how to do it. LOL You would think that Salt Lake would have a nice rock shop, but really we only have one and they don't do classes. Thanks for all the book reference, I will check them out and put them in my library. Thank you for your help Kathy In a message dated 3/1/04 7:01:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Kpduties8@aol.com wrote: >After collecting a nice collecton of slabs, I am now ready to jump into the >next arena of making Cabs. > >I would appreciate any Links and Sites on Cab making. I would like to make a >self help reference library so I can teach myself. If you know of sites that >have instruction, please send me the addresses. > >Thanks from a newbe >Kathy C. > > > First, take a look at "Cabochon Mkaing 101" at www.rockhounds.com. Second, take a look around the rock shops and/or the internet for: "The Art of Gem Cutting" by Dr. H. C. Dake , 7th Ed. (Gembooks,1970) "Cabachon Cutting" by Jack R. Cox (Gembooks, 1970) "Specialized Gem Cutting" by Jack R. Cox (Gembooks, 1970) "How To Use Diamond Abrasives To Cut Gemstones" by Arthur L. Riggle" (Gem Guides Book Company, 1987) The Dake and Cox books are old but still very good. The Riggle book is usually packed along with new diamond lapidary units. I know that at least two of the books are available from www. kingsleynorth.com. But most if not all rock shops have them too. Third, don't buy any equipment just yet. Find out first if you really like what you are doing before spending a small fortune on lapidary stuff. You'll need to trim the slabs into preforms so you need to find someone with a rock saw. You'll need to grind the cabs, so you'll need to find someone with a grinder and the accessories like dop sticks and wax. All that adds up to finding a local rockhound or group that has a shop and is willing to supervise you while using it. Fourth, that local rockhound/jewelry maker is your best resource bar none. Usually he/she is a member of a club which has classes and a shop, and is willing to patiently teach you how to do it...right the first time. john --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 05:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Tue Mar 2 05:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229165203.038e12b0@mail.aloha.net> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040229084212.02e008c0@mail.aloha.net> <004c01c3ff31$3ff05020$84a4490c@pete> <6.0.3.0.0.20040229165203.038e12b0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <4044924D.30005@epix.net> Hello Kitty I'd love to see them...My whale photos from the Green Sand Berach didn't come out well. Thanks, Elton Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > OK, I copied the pictures off to a word document this morning. I can > send them to anyone who's interested, or if anyone has a website I can > post it to, let me know. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 07:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 2 07:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Message-ID: <4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org> Frank de Wit wrote: >I knew I was doing something wrong (as always ;-) > > > >Try Emmermann with the double "n", typical for the Elzas-Lotharingen area > > >on > > >>the French-German border and Friesland (North of Holland). >> >>My father's father's name was EmmermaNN (Elzas) who married a woman from >>Friesland, named ResmaNN. >>My father, Leo EMMERmann, married my mother who's maiden name was EMMERs. >> >>As the great British chief Shaking Spear said: "What's in a name?" ;-))) >> >>Cheers >> >>Axel >> >> >> >>mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... >>what google do you use? >>my google >> >> >> >http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N > > >>>only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') >>>or do I use the wrong google ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N > > >>>I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha >>>now I'm crying ;-) >>> >>>cheers! Frank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came >>>>> >>>>> >>up >> >> >>>>>with 930 references. >>>>>You're practically famous! >>>>> >>>>>john >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) >>>> >>>>Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out >>>>another 70 hits... >>>>I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) >>>> >>>>Axel >>>> >>>> >>>> Aha! just like statistics. It all depends on where you put the emphasis. Some say "Aww...it aint nothin'" and others tell you "It's Huge!!" all with the same statistics. So you can thank your meteoric rise and fall to the statisticians, Axel, the ones who work for Google no doubt. What is an emmer? (Something like an immer [deutsch]? For that matter what is an axel?? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 08:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 2 08:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <4043EECE.4669@Tomaszewski.net> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4043EECE.4669@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4044B156.8090002@hal-pc.org> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >You left the last 'n' off Axel's name. > >Kreigh Tomaszewski > > >Frank de Wit wrote: > > >>mmm so sorry to spoil the fun... >>what google do you use? >>my google >>http://www.google.com/search?q=%22axel+emmerman%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N >>only comes back with 13 references (304 with 'doubles') >>or do I use the wrong google ;-) >> >>http://www.google.com/search?q=%22frank+de+wit%22+strahlen&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N >>I even have less references bwaaaahhhahaha >>now I'm crying ;-) >> >>cheers! Frank >> >> >> >> >>>>I don' know, Axel. I just did a google search of your name and came up >>>>with 930 references. >>>>You're practically famous! >>>> >>>>john >>>> >>>> >>>Yes! Famous at last! ;-))))) >>> >>>Huuuuuuuuuumph..... if I could only huuuuuumph........... squeeze out >>>another 70 hits... >>>I'm going for a thousand ;-)))) >>> >>>Axel >>> >>> >>> >>> The results are: "Axel Emmerman" 304 hits "Axel Emmermann" 675 hits Axel Emmermann 934 hits john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 08:32:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Mar 2 08:32:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor(?) References: <000c01c3c584$cf2e9f80$228c4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <000a01c40073$a5b29600$c8844c0c@fekib> I came across this in one of my old files. If you don't like attempts at = mineral humor, don't bother to read any further! ------------------------------------------------------- =20 =20 THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF EDSEL MURPHY TO THE = UNDERSTANDING OF THE BEHAVIOR OF MINERALS AND MINERAL COLLECTING =20 (OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MURPHY'S LAWS) Larry Rush =20 It has long been my consideration that the contributions of Edsel = Murphy, specifically his general laws delineating the behavior of = inanimate objects, have not been fully understood or appreciated. It is = probable that this is, in part, due to the inherent simplicity of the = laws themselves. The following corollaries to his well-known "Murphy's = Laws" have been derived by me based on years of experience and hundreds = of test occurrences. I have taken the liberty of appending friend's = names to these phenomena, with an absolute conviction that the = experiences are universal in nature, and that every collector has found = each of them to be true. =20 MURPHY'S FIRST LAW- IF ANYTHING CAN GO WRONG, IT WILL =20 Laws of Weather Lannie's Law - Any week of five consecutive clear and sunny weekdays = will have rain, sleet or snow on Saturday AND Sunday. Pete's Principle - Cloudless days will overcast at the time when you = reach the mine access road. Edward's Extension - The precipitation will begin when you reach the = halfway point while walking (uphill) on the access road. Ervin's Further Extension - The intensity of precipitation will = increase in direct proportion to the distance walked on the access road. Ellie's Observation - All precipitation will cease, and the sun will = come out the instant you return to the car. =20 Laws of Equipment Charlie's Principle - While visiting the one quarry of the year where = hard hats are required, a quick glance in the car trunk will prove that = yours is home in the garage. Ray's Corollary - That same garage will prove to be greater than 200 = miles from the quarry. Dick's Law - A dropped tool will land in a vug where it will do the = maximum possible damage to the specimen. (Also known as the Law of = Selective Gravitation). Stewart's Enigma - The laws of chemistry prevent a man-made chisel from = being stronger than basalt. Ronnie's Rule - Upon returning to the car after a six mile hike from = the dumps with a 150 pound sack of rocks, it will be discovered that you = left your new pry-bar at the site. Cook's Conundrum - It is impossible to lose both hands of a set of = gloves at the same time. It is also impossible not to lose one hand of a = set of gloves. Andy's Auxiliary - The glove lost from your second set of gloves will = be the same hand as the one lost from the first set. (Can be extended to = an infinite series of glove sets - known as the Law of Arithmetic Glove = Loss progression). Allen's Axiom - The only tool left at home will the one needed most = when working in the quarry. Carl's Extension - Most of the other tools, which you did bring on a = field trip, will not be needed. =20 Laws of Field Collecting Sandy's Law - The need to go to the bathroom increases with the distance = away from the facilities. Doug's theory - Black flies do not live in the woods until you start to = dig, at which time and place they instantaneously appear to hold their = annual convention. Ollie's Observation - The distance to crystal groups in narrow vugs = always equals the length of your arm, plus six inches. John's theory - In apparent defiance of Moh, when trimming matrix, = beryl will break before feldspar. Sally's Observation - The best crystal of the trip will be found lying = on the surface by a ten year old who will be heard to exclaim "Is this = rock any good?". Jack's Law No.1 - The mine owner will always point out a hole in which = someone "pulled out a fantastic bunch of azurite last week!". Jack's Law No.2 - No azurite will be found in said hole. Jack's Law No.3 - It will take you all day to discover the truth of = Jack's Law No.2. Rick's Rule - The attractiveness and desirability of a crystal pocket = is in inverse proportion to its accessibility in the wall. Pattie's Premise - The enthusiasm of any one under the age of 18 on a = field trip with their parents expires at the beginning of the sixth = minute at the site. Morry's misery - The level of enthusiasm maintained while digging in = old dumps is inversely proportional to the number of snakes encountered. Danny's Dilemma No.1 - All paths to collecting sites have more uphill = sections than they have downhill sections. Danny's Dilemma No.2 - All paths from collecting sites have more uphill = sections than they have downhill sections. Danny's Dilemma No.3 - The same paths double in length during your = collecting period. Alfred's Awful Discovery - The vulnerability of fingers to hammer blows = will be demonstrated at least once per collecting trip. Irv's Irritation - The person in the hole two feet to your left = (substitute right, back or front) will find a museum piece while your = hole will be barren. Larry's Law - The best crystal pockets are devilishly designed to be in = vertical walls placed a minimum of five feet above your head. Fred's Frustration - The safety factor of overhanging rock in a quarry = wall is highest when there is no mineralization there. =20 Laws of Cleaning, Storing, and Saving minerals Ron's Rule of Rock Wrecking - The last intended blow of the hammer will = always smash the crystal. Ron's Rule of Rock Wrecking II - the only crystal smashed will have = been the best one collected that day. Colin's Criticism - An agate will orient itself to be sawn so that the = ugliest portion of its interior will be exposed. Ralph's Rule - Acid baths will destroy the specimen while cleaning the = matrix. Pat's Principle - Those specimens, which have been wrapped with the = greatest amount of tissue, will fall from your hands while unwrapping. =20 Laws of Shopping, Swapping, and Shows The Swappers First Rule of Trading - Any specimen received in any swap = is less valuable than the one you traded. The Swappers Second Rule of Trading - The value of specimens received = in a mail swap is always exceeded by the cost of your postage. The Swappers Third Rule of Trading - The frequency of specimen damage = in the mail is directly proportional to the number of "FRAGILE" markings = on the package. Smitty's Sorrow - Your worst enemy's first place prize crystal on = exhibit in your clubs centennial show will be inferior to the one you = decided not to show. Willy's Woe - The specimen you have always wanted will be spotted = (cheaply priced) on the dealer's table NEXT to the one where you just = spent your last dollar. Kevin's Rule - The other trader never needs what you have the most of = to swap. Laurie's Law - the impact of a dropped flat of specimens will do the = worst damage to the best piece, and no damage to the worst piece. Ben's Premise - The size and quality of verbally described crystals = increases by a factor of two each time the collecting tale is told. = (Also known as the Fisherman's Law). Robert's Response - The listeners mind will compensate for Ben's = Premise by decreasing by a factor of two for each collecting tale. Fisher's Frustration - No one who is ever present ever wins a mineral = show door prize. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 08:43:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 2 08:43:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds digest, Vol 1 #727 - 23 msgs In-Reply-To: <6b.2365b39d.2d756bd1@aol.com> References: <6b.2365b39d.2d756bd1@aol.com> Message-ID: <4044BA42.9080801@hal-pc.org> Kpduties8@aol.com wrote: >Thank you John. I have access to the equipment through a lost wax class I am >taking, the only problem is the teacher likes to do the work instead of >showing us how to do it. LOL You would think that Salt Lake would have a nice >rock shop, but really we only have one and they don't do classes. Thanks for all >the book reference, I will check them out and put them in my library. Thank >you for your help >Kathy > >In a message dated 3/1/04 7:01:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, >rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: >Kpduties8@aol.com wrote: > > > >>After collecting a nice collecton of slabs, I am now ready to jump into the >>next arena of making Cabs. >> >>I would appreciate any Links and Sites on Cab making. I would like to make >> >> >a > > >>self help reference library so I can teach myself. If you know of sites >> >> >that > > >>have instruction, please send me the addresses. >> >>Thanks from a newbe >>Kathy C. >> >> >> >> >> www.utahrockhounds.com/clubs.htm lists the clubs in the area. The SLC club seems to be more cerebral than the others. Check with the Utah State Geological Survey. They have a bookstore in town with a lot of excellent materials on Utah minerals; they might know who is doing what right now. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 09:03:16 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:03:16 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor(?) Message-ID: <36.521ec997.2d76183c@aol.com> those are great! and frustratingly true so many times (funny while sitting here at the 'puter, but not as much so in the field). I imagine we all have stories we could add/relate to these. I remember two years ago at a field trip in a quarry here near Memphis I found a fossil "something", knew it was a "something", but didn't know what. My idea for collecting fossils is if I can recognize it or at least have a vague idea of what it is I will keep it - I don't care for pieces/parts of something that means nothing to me. So I placed my "something" on a large rock just out in front of the hill of gravel/rocks we were searching. At our lunch break one of the members sitting at the table next to me pulled out his "prized" find and was talking how it was just sitting on a large rock like it was meant for him to find. There pursued a detailed conversation about how many times the best finds are out in plain sight and lots of folks just pass them up and the "knowing" then find them, lol. He named what it was (and even the name didn't tell me much), but I looked over and grinned that my "something" had made his day. And anyway, I got more enjoyment out of that moment than I would have it I had kept the thing. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 09:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> John wrote: > What is an emmer? (Something like an immer [deutsch]? For that matter > what is an axel?? Good question John! Axel comes from "axe", a double bladed war ax(e). An "axel" would have been a warrior wielding an oversized double bladed axe. The term is somewhat similar to "an archer" or a "swordsman". The word is derived from old German. "Emmer" exists as an English word derived from German meaning: emmer /"Em@/ · n. an old kind of wheat with bearded ears and spikelets that each contain two grains, now grown mainly for fodder and breakfast cereals. [Triticum dicoccum.] An "emmer" in Dutch is a bucket. Emmermann, however, is an ancient German name (I'm told) that predates the Roman invasions. It would translate like "marshal" but in a broader sense. An Amermann (Emermann) was sort of a hybrid between a military marshal and an agricultural secretary to the local king. The job description would include leading raids on neighboring tribes/kingdoms, collecting taxes in the forms of 1/10 th of the harvest, arresting poachers in the kings forest.... In those days an Emermann would be nobility or at least part of the king's court. Before you start thinking that is come from a long line of bloodthirsty, gut-dripping potentates, there is another ludic etymological explanation I 'll reluctantly share with the group... I'll be completely honest with you without making this up! It IS in the dictionary so here goes: "Emeren" is a verbal noun which scornfully describes the action of standing on an upside down bucket (emmer) in order to sodomize a cow or other large cattle. Personally, I don't see the fun or recreational merit of making love to large ruminant animals, but hey... it IS in the Dutch dictionary. Now, you might think that an Emerman is someone who.... let's say I' d like you to stick with the first explanation... ;-))))) The Axe-wielding Emermann from Belgium. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 09:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: Now the mental images are running rampant with those definitions - must admi= t=20 I like the first one best and will keep that in mind. Although the bucket=20 would come in handy for a fieldtrip, lol. In a message dated 3/2/2004 11:34:16 AM Central Standard Time,=20 axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: Axel comes from "axe", a double bladed war ax(e). An "axel" would have been a warrior wielding an oversized double bladed axe. The term is somewhat similar to "an archer" or a "swordsman". The word is derived from old German. "Emmer" exists as an English word derived from German meaning: emmer /"Em@/ =B7 n. an old kind of wheat with bearded ears and spikelets that each contai= n two grains, now grown mainly for fodder and breakfast cereals. [Triticum dicoccum.] An "emmer" in Dutch is a bucket. Emmermann, however, is an ancient German name (I'm told) that predates the Roman invasions. It would translate like "marshal" but in a broader sense. An Amermann (Emermann) was sort of a hybrid between a military marshal and an agricultural secretary to the local king. The job description would include leading raids on neighboring tribes/kingdoms, collecting taxes in the forms of 1/10 th of the harvest, arresting poachers in the kings forest.... In those days an Emermann would be nobility or at least part of the king's court. Before you start thinking that is come from a long line of bloodthirsty, gut-dripping potentates, there is another ludic etymological explanation I 'll reluctantly share with the group... I'll be completely honest with you without making this up! It IS in the dictionary so here goes: "Emeren" is a verbal noun which scornfully describes the action of standing on an upside down bucket (emmer) in order to sodomize a cow or other large cattle. Personally, I don't see the fun or recreational merit of making love to large ruminant animals, but hey... it IS in the Dutch dictionary. Now, you might think that an Emerman is someone who.... let's say I' d like you to stick with the first explanation... ;-))))) The Axe-wielding Emermann from Belgium. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 09:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org> <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> Message-ID: <4044CB88.2080500@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >John wrote: > > > >>What is an emmer? (Something like an immer [deutsch]? For that matter >>what is an axel?? >> >> > >Good question John! > >Axel comes from "axe", a double bladed war ax(e). An "axel" would have been >a warrior wielding an oversized double bladed axe. The term is somewhat >similar to "an archer" or a "swordsman". The word is derived from old >German. > >"Emmer" exists as an English word derived from German meaning: >emmer /"Em@/ > >· n. an old kind of wheat with bearded ears and spikelets that each contain >two grains, now grown mainly for fodder and breakfast cereals. [Triticum >dicoccum.] > > >An "emmer" in Dutch is a bucket. > >Emmermann, however, is an ancient German name (I'm told) that predates the >Roman invasions. It would translate like "marshal" but in a broader sense. >An Amermann (Emermann) was sort of a hybrid between a military marshal and >an agricultural secretary to the local king. The job description would >include leading raids on neighboring tribes/kingdoms, collecting taxes in >the forms of 1/10 th of the harvest, arresting poachers in the kings >forest.... In those days an Emermann would be nobility or at least part of >the king's court. > >Before you start thinking that is come from a long line of bloodthirsty, >gut-dripping potentates, there is another ludic etymological explanation I >'ll reluctantly share with the group... I'll be completely honest with you >without making this up! It IS in the dictionary so here goes: > >"Emeren" is a verbal noun which scornfully describes the action of standing >on an upside down bucket (emmer) in order to sodomize a cow or other large >cattle. Personally, I don't see the fun or recreational merit of making love >to large ruminant animals, but hey... it IS in the Dutch dictionary. >Now, you might think that an Emerman is someone who.... let's say I' d like >you to stick with the first explanation... ;-))))) > > The Axe-wielding Emermann from Belgium. > > > > > So...that would make you a wheat farmer, or possibly a miller, who pays off his liege as a part-time axe-wielding tax collector. Sounds more like a Viking or the IRS. Immer und immer mehr in die Geschichte die Antworten zu diesen Fragen liegen. Aber wohin? Welches sind Wahrheit und welches falsch? Nur das Emmermann kennst! Pardon please my poor German if you will. My Dutch is worse, if fact practically non-existent. Come to think of it, that would probably describe my Inglesh as well. Hmmm... john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 11:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org> <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> <4044CB88.2080500@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <00c301c40088$c04bc580$b3ae77d5@axel> John, Your English and German are way better than mine... ;-)))) My in-laws are 50% German speaking Belgians. Those of you that were here when the battle of the Bulge took place: Elsenborn, Eupen, Malmedy... Cheers Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Axel Emmermann wrote: >John wrote: > > > >>What is an emmer? (Something like an immer [deutsch]? For that matter >>what is an axel?? >> >> > >Good question John! > >Axel comes from "axe", a double bladed war ax(e). An "axel" would have been >a warrior wielding an oversized double bladed axe. The term is somewhat >similar to "an archer" or a "swordsman". The word is derived from old >German. > >"Emmer" exists as an English word derived from German meaning: >emmer /"Em@/ > >· n. an old kind of wheat with bearded ears and spikelets that each contain >two grains, now grown mainly for fodder and breakfast cereals. [Triticum >dicoccum.] > > >An "emmer" in Dutch is a bucket. > >Emmermann, however, is an ancient German name (I'm told) that predates the >Roman invasions. It would translate like "marshal" but in a broader sense. >An Amermann (Emermann) was sort of a hybrid between a military marshal and >an agricultural secretary to the local king. The job description would >include leading raids on neighboring tribes/kingdoms, collecting taxes in >the forms of 1/10 th of the harvest, arresting poachers in the kings >forest.... In those days an Emermann would be nobility or at least part of >the king's court. > >Before you start thinking that is come from a long line of bloodthirsty, >gut-dripping potentates, there is another ludic etymological explanation I >'ll reluctantly share with the group... I'll be completely honest with you >without making this up! It IS in the dictionary so here goes: > >"Emeren" is a verbal noun which scornfully describes the action of standing >on an upside down bucket (emmer) in order to sodomize a cow or other large >cattle. Personally, I don't see the fun or recreational merit of making love >to large ruminant animals, but hey... it IS in the Dutch dictionary. >Now, you might think that an Emerman is someone who.... let's say I' d like >you to stick with the first explanation... ;-))))) > > The Axe-wielding Emermann from Belgium. > > > > > So...that would make you a wheat farmer, or possibly a miller, who pays off his liege as a part-time axe-wielding tax collector. Sounds more like a Viking or the IRS. Immer und immer mehr in die Geschichte die Antworten zu diesen Fragen liegen. Aber wohin? Welches sind Wahrheit und welches falsch? Nur das Emmermann kennst! Pardon please my poor German if you will. My Dutch is worse, if fact practically non-existent. Come to think of it, that would probably describe my Inglesh as well. Hmmm... john _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 11:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: Message-ID: <00c401c4008b$5cb115e0$b3ae77d5@axel> >Now the mental images are running rampant with those definitions - must admit >I like the first one best and will keep that in mind. Although the bucket >would come in handy for a fieldtrip, lol. Yes, I was afraid that might happen, Docia.... Usually the nmental images go away after a week or so. But rest assured, I never stood on a bucket for any reason. Now, please excuse me... I have to go get my stepladder for some "bovine amore" (ROFL, MOOOOOH, REROFL) To get back on track (sniff), topic-wise that is: COWlesite Bull Quartz (variety of quartz) Axe stone (variety of nephrite) MOOreite Cheers Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 11:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org> <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040302093842.02c84820@mail.aloha.net> Axe-weilding, neighbor-raiding, tax-collector doing it on a bucket with a cow??? Hey, no wonder you were the Superman who swooped in and saved the moonrocks! I used to think it would be fun to meet you, Axel. Now I'm not so sure! ;-) Aloha, Kitty At 07:33 AM 3/2/2004, you wrote: >....An "axel" would have been >a warrior wielding an oversized double bladed axe. .... > >Emmermann, would translate like "marshal" but in a broader sense. >...The job description would >include leading raids on neighboring tribes/kingdoms, collecting taxes >.... would be nobility or at least part of >the king's court. > >....scornfully describes the action of standing >on an upside down bucket (emmer) in order to sodomize a cow or other large >cattle. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 11:39:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:39:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <86.6a51fa2.2d763cb9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/2/2004 1:28:17 PM Central Standard Time, kahako@aloha.net writes: Axe-weilding, neighbor-raiding, tax-collector doing it on a bucket with a cow??? Hey, no wonder you were the Superman who swooped in and saved the moonrocks! I used to think it would be fun to meet you, Axel. Now I'm not so sure! ;-) I don't know, a man with that much willingness to risk his own censure, seems ok to me. I appreciate one who does this. I guess I can really appreciate it because my name is unusual. The best I can trace Docia is American Indian (it was my great grandmothers name and she was about 3/4th Cherokee) and I have met several people with a Docia in their family who also have Indian lineage of various tribes. I have met folks who are into names who said they would see if they could find the answer, but none so far. One Indian "expert" said he was sure he could, but if it was bad he wouldn't tell me, lol. Since I never heard back from him............ My analogy is as follows: Many Indians were named at birth by the father - the newborn was held in his fathers arms, often extended up above his head, as he exited the teepee, wigwam, or whatever form of living quarters they had, with his eyes closed, and the father would name the child for what he saw when he opened his eyes. Therefore you would get names like Barking Dog, Running Buffalo (as well as many graphic things that happen in nature - although without buckets, lol). SO........................................ Docia could mean "Sun rising thru mist over mountain" OR.................................... Dead Skunk under Buffalo. But seriously though, the best explanation for my name goes back to the name Theodocia, which takes a smooth language to say. It means Gift from God, theo being God, so that would leave Docia as a Gift. I hold onto this as the Indians guttural language would not have allowed them to easily say Theo, but DoeSha would be very easy. So there you have it, enjoy. Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 11:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel><40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org><008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel><404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org><009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel><002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt><00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel><005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt><4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org><008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040302093842.02c84820@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <00ce01c4008e$f3742e10$b3ae77d5@axel> Hoi Kitty, >Axe-weilding, neighbor-raiding, tax-collector doing it on a bucket with a cow??? Better than vice-versa , no? Neighbor-wielding, axe-collector doing it on a cow with a bucket???? > Hey, no wonder you were the Superman who swooped in and saved the >moonrocks! I have my moments (said he, modestly blushing.... Mooooooooooh, said the cow) >I used to think it would be fun to meet you, Axel. Now I'm not so sure! ;-) Fear not! I only misbehave in my spare time... Take care (BTW, my Hawaiian calcite still glows and tomorrow I'll be showing it to two of my American friends who are visiting us.) Aloha Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 12:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Mar 2 12:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names In-Reply-To: <00ce01c4008e$f3742e10$b3ae77d5@axel> References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel> <40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org> <008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel> <404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org> <009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel> <002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel> <005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> <4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org> <008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040302093842.02c84820@mail.aloha.net> <00ce01c4008e$f3742e10$b3ae77d5@axel> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040302102121.02c8a050@mail.aloha.net> They say that laughter is the best medicine, so I always love it when I see one of your messages in the IN box, because I know I'll have a healthier day from having a good laugh! Aloha Kitty At 09:45 AM 3/2/2004, you wrote: >Hoi Kitty, > > >Axe-weilding, neighbor-raiding, tax-collector doing it on a bucket with a >cow??? > >Better than vice-versa , no? >Neighbor-wielding, axe-collector doing it on a cow with a bucket???? > > > Hey, no wonder you were the Superman who swooped in and saved the > >moonrocks! > >I have my moments (said he, modestly blushing.... Mooooooooooh, said the >cow) > > >I used to think it would be fun to meet you, Axel. Now I'm not so sure! >;-) > >Fear not! I only misbehave in my spare time... > >Take care (BTW, my Hawaiian calcite still glows and tomorrow I'll be showing >it to two of my American friends who are visiting us.) > >Aloha > >Axel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 15:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 2 15:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fun with names.... Message-ID: <65.237ab89a.2d7673a4@aol.com> Have you ever looked up the name Timothy in the dictionary: It means a type of hay. My parents named me Timothy so when someone says "Hey you!".....I'll know to whom they're talking to..... :-) Timothy McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 15:39:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Mar 2 15:39:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting on Mars: field trip planned? Message-ID: <40451B2F.A37830EB@att.net> Oh here we go, add THIS to your locality list! "The rover conducted a chemical analysis of the outcrop, including a rock named El Capitan by scientists, and found a concentration of sulphur rich in magnesium, iron and other sulfate salts. Opportunity's instrument also detected jarosite, an iron sulfate mineral." Too bad we can't get a full lab suite up there--roving diffractometer and all that. Remote analytical mineralogy, the new frontier. I wonder if there will be any new type locality minerals, and if they will be accepted by the IMA? Should they start planning the Mineralogical Record Mars Issue? How's life on the red planet? "Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink." Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 18:07:23 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 2 18:07:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting on Mars: field trip planned? References: <40451B2F.A37830EB@att.net> Message-ID: <40453D5A.65EF@Tomaszewski.net> Don H wrote: > Too bad we can't get a full lab suite up there--roving diffractometer > and all that. Remote analytical mineralogy, the new frontier. I want one of those 'tricorders' that the rovers are using to identify minerals. Load one of those magic wands, a battery or solar cell, and a laptop with the analysis software (and its database) into the backpack and you could do real field identifications right here on Earth. Anyone know a cell phone manufacturer that is looking for hot new options to add to their next model? They could put the wand in the phone and centralize the analysis. Find out what a rock is for 50 cents, like the shazam phone music analysis service in the UK. Its time to spin off technology so the average collector or geologist can take a lab into the field. I wonder if the USGS could borrow the technology from NASA to get it into the field? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 18:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Mar 2 18:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting on Mars: field trip planned? References: <40451B2F.A37830EB@att.net> <40453D5A.65EF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4045403B.B23D807C@att.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Its time to spin off technology so the average collector or geologist > can take a lab into the field. I wonder if the USGS could borrow the > technology from NASA to get it into the field? So what was that, like $850 million? I know Rigaku makes a portable x-ray powder diffractometer that starts at $50,000. I think they also have a Mössbauer spectroscope on there . . . I don't know what else. What is amazing is how instructors always tell you how delicate the instruments are, yet they basically dropped these things on a planet, padded only by giant beach balls. What would really impress me is if they could automate a single-crystal diffractometer (the selecting, mounting, and orienting of the grain, that is) and a polarized light microscope. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 21:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Mar 2 21:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free Message-ID: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi all, Still going through the books and have three more books to get rid of. The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. Interesting locality, the gold was in the thick clay colluvium and alluvium, not on bedrock, panned my first gold there. The book is "Mineralogy and Types of Deposits of Selenium and Tellurium" by N. D. Sindeeva, 361 pages, 1964, slight old stale book smell, from spending most of the last 30 years in boxes on the floor. The second is "Volcanoes of the World, second edition" a Smithsonian Institution publication (actually published by Geoscience Press), by Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert, 349 pages, 1994. Like new. A great book for the volcanoe freak. It's mostly data, tables, etc. on all the volcanoes of the world, where they are, when they erupted, etc. The third is "Paricutin, The Volcano Born in a Mexican Cornfield" by James F. Lurh and Tom Simkin, by Geoscience Press, 427 pages, 1993, lots of b&w photos and a color photo section, just about everything you ever wanted to know about this young volcano. The first two are hard bound, the third is paper. Again I'm offering these at the low price of free but you pay postage of $2.00 for first one above and $3.00 for each of the other two. If more than one person is interested (emails received in one day) then who ever offers the most money on a one email exchange. Regards, Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 2 22:03:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 2 22:03:01 2004 Subject: Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor(?) Message-ID: <139.2be14110.2d76ceee@aol.com> One of the laws that is not on your list is Newbie rockhounding all day and picking up the beautiful rocks then arrive back home and sort through your wonderful find and try to identify the rock. While looking through the trail guide you notice you brought home the wrong rock, you threw the right rock off to the side, it was the ugly one. Kathy --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 02:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Wed Mar 3 02:19:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <001901c400ff$f6c9d760$97e1fea9@ArmandoAfonso> OK, I pay 5 usd plus postage for the first one. Armando Afonso PORTUGAL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:05 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free > Hi all, > > Still going through the books and have three more books to get rid of. > > The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of > good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a > gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. Interesting > locality, the gold was in the thick clay colluvium and alluvium, not on > bedrock, panned my first gold there. The book is > "Mineralogy and Types of Deposits of Selenium and Tellurium" by N. D. > Sindeeva, 361 pages, 1964, slight old stale book smell, from spending > most of the last 30 years in boxes on the floor. > > The second is "Volcanoes of the World, second edition" a Smithsonian > Institution publication (actually published by Geoscience Press), by > Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert, 349 pages, 1994. Like new. A great book for > the volcanoe freak. It's mostly data, tables, etc. on all the volcanoes > of the world, where they are, when they erupted, etc. > > The third is "Paricutin, The Volcano Born in a Mexican Cornfield" by > James F. Lurh and Tom Simkin, by Geoscience Press, 427 pages, 1993, > lots of b&w photos and a color photo section, just about everything you > ever wanted to know about this young volcano. > > The first two are hard bound, the third is paper. > > Again I'm offering these at the low price of free but you pay postage > of $2.00 for first one above and $3.00 for each of the other two. If > more than one person is interested (emails received in one day) then > who ever offers the most money on a one email exchange. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 03:27:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 03:27:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free Message-ID: <4b.3abafe47.2d771af1@wmconnect.com> i am very interested in the book[mineralology and types of deposits etc.i am new to collecting and have lots to learn .any info is appreciated..anne p,s, need details. l --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 03:41:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 3 03:41:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <86.6a51fa2.2d763cb9@aol.com> Message-ID: <002601c40114$547a4750$4f9d77d5@axel> Docia wrote: >.... a man with that much willingness to risk his own censure, seems > ok to me. I appreciate one who does this. Recognition, at last! ;-))) > I guess I can really appreciate it because my name is unusual. The best I > can trace Docia is American Indian (it was my great grandmothers name and she > was about 3/4th Cherokee) I'm a 1/8 th Dutch, 1/8 German Belgian... does that count as mixed origin? ;-))) >and the father would name the child for what he saw when > he opened his eyes. Therefore you would get names like Barking Dog, Running > Buffalo Big fat mamma tiptoeing through asperge field with flippers on feet? > Docia could mean "Sun rising thru mist over mountain" Much better... let's stick to that.... > Dead Skunk under Buffalo. Aargh, now I got images... (LOL) Do we say Doesha or Doshia? > So there you have it, enjoy. Did, very much so! Thank you Docia. Axel From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 03:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 3 03:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names References: <00e201c3ff18$9b65e4b0$6402a8c0@axel><40427748.2030303@hal-pc.org><008701c3ffa7$ffb59f20$6402a8c0@axel><404365BC.8010901@hal-pc.org><009701c3ffb2$92d6fb50$6402a8c0@axel><002b01c3ffb4$1c9af7a0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt><00a801c3ffbc$11c6c680$6402a8c0@axel><005501c3ffbd$a506bd50$897ba8c0@cm333814lt><4044AFA8.7070709@hal-pc.org><008c01c4007c$877d0a40$b3ae77d5@axel><6.0.3.0.0.20040302093842.02c84820@mail.aloha.net><00ce01c4008e$f3742e10$b3ae77d5@axel> <6.0.3.0.0.20040302102121.02c8a050@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002c01c40114$c764c420$4f9d77d5@axel> Too little of that going around... There would be a lot less people stoned on drugs or alcohol if they laughed more (you have to have something to laugh about, of course but I'll be happy to oblige ;-))) I'll keep at it! Cheers Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names They say that laughter is the best medicine, so I always love it when I see one of your messages in the IN box, because I know I'll have a healthier day from having a good laugh! Aloha Kitty At 09:45 AM 3/2/2004, you wrote: >Hoi Kitty, > > >Axe-weilding, neighbor-raiding, tax-collector doing it on a bucket with a >cow??? > >Better than vice-versa , no? >Neighbor-wielding, axe-collector doing it on a cow with a bucket???? > > > Hey, no wonder you were the Superman who swooped in and saved the > >moonrocks! > >I have my moments (said he, modestly blushing.... Mooooooooooh, said the >cow) > > >I used to think it would be fun to meet you, Axel. Now I'm not so sure! >;-) > >Fear not! I only misbehave in my spare time... > >Take care (BTW, my Hawaiian calcite still glows and tomorrow I'll be showing >it to two of my American friends who are visiting us.) > >Aloha > >Axel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 05:15:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 05:15:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii photos Message-ID: <1d5.1b6a1e45.2d77343b@aol.com> Yes please, I would appreciate receiving the Hawaiian photos. I went to the website and didn't see them, but am very interested. Thanks so much! Carmen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 06:40:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 06:40:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: Do we say Doesha or Doshia? "So there you have it, enjoy." Did, very much so! Thank you Docia. Axel Good, glad to bring a smile. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 06:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 06:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] fun kids' names Message-ID: <156.2f10add2.2d7749c6@aol.com> In a message dated 3/3/2004 5:44:16 AM Central Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: There would be a lot less people stoned on drugs or alcohol if they laughed more Or spent time rockhounding! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 06:51:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 06:51:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info Message-ID: http://www.missourigeologists.org/Links.htm On this page there is a 3 part book - Location Guide for Rock Hounds - in United States, lists alphabetically by state and then by county. Most of the information is probably old, but says that some is as recent as 1996. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 14:24:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:24:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Fun with names.... In-Reply-To: <65.237ab89a.2d7673a4@aol.com> References: <65.237ab89a.2d7673a4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4045FD10.4050806@hal-pc.org> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: >Have you ever looked up the name Timothy in the dictionary: It means a type >of hay. My parents named me Timothy so when someone says "Hey you!".....I'll >know to whom they're talking to..... :-) >Timothy McGinnis > > > And a fine hay it is. Don't forget I and II Timothy in the Bible. He was Paul's surrogate at the church at Ephesus. Was the hay named after him? We need a botanist. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 14:29:36 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:29:36 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9253F5DB-6D3D-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> This is an interesting set of three pdf files of; very nice, with a 1996 copyright/printing date. Anyone know anything about its being on the Missouri web site? In the Preface, the author describes why he prepared the book and continues to reprint it, thus I am curious if it is legitimately on the website. The book is a fairly extensive listing of locations where various lapidary materials, minerals and all things of interest to the rockhound occur. The author extracted the info from a long list of publications. It's as extensive a listing as any I've seen of this type of "guide." The listings are simple, and useful, but not really good guides to locations (Good luck finding the stretch of a river where agate occcurs with a listing that reads: "Wood River, north fork, agate and jasper." Something like that is nice to know, but it sure gives you a lot of territory to hunt in just to find the productive location! It's best to use this type of a listing as a direction to the publication where the information was gathered (although for some, the source may have no more information). For the rockhound interest, this type of book is a treasure. It is great to see it in a pdf format available to all, and not just in print in a couple thousand copies soon to be out of print and no longer available. That is, if this is a legitimate copy. Regards, Lanny On Mar 3, 2004, at 6:50 AM, Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > http://www.missourigeologists.org/Links.htm > > On this page there is a 3 part book - Location Guide for Rock Hounds - > in > United States, lists alphabetically by state and then by county. Most > of the > information is probably old, but says that some is as recent as 1996. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 14:30:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:30:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info Message-ID: <030320041823.16910.7ec8@att.net> Hey, thanks! That collecting locations guide under the Missouri web site is really pretty comprehensive and useful--I don't think I knew those pages existed. I'm going to be sure and add that to my lists of "useful rock & mineral links" that I distribute to teachers and collectors. Pete Modreski > http://www.missourigeologists.org/Links.htm > > On this page there is a 3 part book - Location Guide for Rock Hounds - in > United States, lists alphabetically by state and then by county. Most of the > information is probably old, but says that some is as recent as 1996. > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 14:31:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:31:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <006a01c4014f$b8baa3a0$9c4027c4@horstspc> Hi Lanny, Interested in Book No. 2 ("Volcanoes of the World")Willing to offer you US$25. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:05 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free > Hi all, > > Still going through the books and have three more books to get rid of. > > The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of > good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a > gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. Interesting > locality, the gold was in the thick clay colluvium and alluvium, not on > bedrock, panned my first gold there. The book is > "Mineralogy and Types of Deposits of Selenium and Tellurium" by N. D. > Sindeeva, 361 pages, 1964, slight old stale book smell, from spending > most of the last 30 years in boxes on the floor. > > The second is "Volcanoes of the World, second edition" a Smithsonian > Institution publication (actually published by Geoscience Press), by > Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert, 349 pages, 1994. Like new. A great book for > the volcanoe freak. It's mostly data, tables, etc. on all the volcanoes > of the world, where they are, when they erupted, etc. > > The third is "Paricutin, The Volcano Born in a Mexican Cornfield" by > James F. Lurh and Tom Simkin, by Geoscience Press, 427 pages, 1993, > lots of b&w photos and a color photo section, just about everything you > ever wanted to know about this young volcano. > > The first two are hard bound, the third is paper. > > Again I'm offering these at the low price of free but you pay postage > of $2.00 for first one above and $3.00 for each of the other two. If > more than one person is interested (emails received in one day) then > who ever offers the most money on a one email exchange. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 14:37:17 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:37:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lanny's books In-Reply-To: <002c01c40114$c764c420$4f9d77d5@axel> Message-ID: Anyone know where you can get Lanny Ream's books on Idaho and Montana Rockhounding, Amazon is showing them as out of print. Bryan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 15:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info Message-ID: <64.3b5af0c1.2d77c78e@aol.com> The website is the Association of Missouri Geologists, one would think they have permission to have it there. In a message dated 3/3/2004 4:29:58 PM Central Standard Time, lanny@lrream.com writes: This is an interesting set of three pdf files of; very nice, with a 1996 copyright/printing date. Anyone know anything about its being on the Missouri web site? In the Preface, the author describes why he prepared the book and continues to reprint it, thus I am curious if it is legitimately on the website. The book is a fairly extensive listing of locations where various lapidary materials, minerals and all things of interest to the rockhound occur. The author extracted the info from a long list of publications. It's as extensive a listing as any I've seen of this type of "guide." The listings are simple, and useful, but not really good guides to locations (Good luck finding the stretch of a river where agate occcurs with a listing that reads: "Wood River, north fork, agate and jasper." Something like that is nice to know, but it sure gives you a lot of territory to hunt in just to find the productive location! It's best to use this type of a listing as a direction to the publication where the information was gathered (although for some, the source may have no more information). For the rockhound interest, this type of book is a treasure. It is great to see it in a pdf format available to all, and not just in print in a couple thousand copies soon to be out of print and no longer available. That is, if this is a legitimate copy. Regards, Lanny --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 18:56:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 3 18:56:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info Message-ID: <66.3d4168e2.2d77f48f@aol.com> The problem with the information on the Missouri Geologists website is that it is not very specific.It's like asking where Walmart is and someone answering "Saint Louis" or "downtown". T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 19:37:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Mar 3 19:37:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lanny's books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3370B834-6D8D-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Bryan, Lanny Ream shows them as out of print too. Amazon should have the latest edition of the Idaho guide, published by Gem Guides. If not, contact Gem Guides (626-855-1611), or order it from any book store (ISBN 1-889786-13-6), It's $9.95. I took the "still good" localities (36 of them) from the two Idaho guides and combined them into: "The Gem & Mineral Collector's Guide to Idaho." I did not come up with enough localities for a second volume on Montana, and am not reprinting the first volume. Regards, Lanny On Mar 3, 2004, at 2:31 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Anyone know where you can get Lanny Ream's books on Idaho and Montana > Rockhounding, Amazon is showing them as out of print. > > Bryan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 20:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Mar 3 20:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <006a01c4014f$b8baa3a0$9c4027c4@horstspc> References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <006a01c4014f$b8baa3a0$9c4027c4@horstspc> Message-ID: <9678DD5E-6D90-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Horst, Thanks for your interest, I'll wait until tomorrow morning to be sure I've heard back from all who have shown interest in the book. You are the 6th. Hope all is going well on your side of the planet. I was looking at an early spring, then it changed and snowed all afternoon today. Still, probably only a month or so until I can get out and go sit on a mine dump somewhere. Regards, Lanny On Mar 3, 2004, at 10:39 AM, Horst Windisch wrote: > Hi Lanny, > > Interested in Book No. 2 ("Volcanoes of the World")Willing to offer you > US$25. > > Regards, > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lanny" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:05 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free > > >> Hi all, >> >> Still going through the books and have three more books to get rid of. >> >> The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of >> good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by >> a >> gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. Interesting >> locality, the gold was in the thick clay colluvium and alluvium, not >> on >> bedrock, panned my first gold there. The book is >> "Mineralogy and Types of Deposits of Selenium and Tellurium" by N. D. >> Sindeeva, 361 pages, 1964, slight old stale book smell, from spending >> most of the last 30 years in boxes on the floor. >> >> The second is "Volcanoes of the World, second edition" a Smithsonian >> Institution publication (actually published by Geoscience Press), by >> Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert, 349 pages, 1994. Like new. A great book >> for >> the volcanoe freak. It's mostly data, tables, etc. on all the >> volcanoes >> of the world, where they are, when they erupted, etc. >> >> The third is "Paricutin, The Volcano Born in a Mexican Cornfield" by >> James F. Lurh and Tom Simkin, by Geoscience Press, 427 pages, 1993, >> lots of b&w photos and a color photo section, just about everything >> you >> ever wanted to know about this young volcano. >> >> The first two are hard bound, the third is paper. >> >> Again I'm offering these at the low price of free but you pay postage >> of $2.00 for first one above and $3.00 for each of the other two. If >> more than one person is interested (emails received in one day) then >> who ever offers the most money on a one email exchange. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lanny >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 20:36:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Teague) Date: Wed Mar 3 20:36:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Richmond, IN show this weekend Message-ID: <6789070.1078369785592.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Greetings! I would like to remind members of the list about the Eastern Indiana Gem and Geological Society's Gem, Mineral and Jewelry Show this weekend in Richmond, IN. My booth is hard to miss as I have UT orange table coverings! I will have several items from the Tucson shows including a few nice brazilianites from Telirio Mine, Brazil, some of the cactus amethyst (Melody's "Spirit Quartz") from Africa, and several interesting quartz/pyrite/calcite specimens from Peru. Also, I have some very nice Azurite Rosettes from the Big Indian Mine, La Salle, Utah. Stop by and give them a look! Dates: Friday, Saturday and Sunday, March 5-7, 2004 Hours: Friday -9:00 am - 6:00 pm Saturday -10:00 am - 6:00 pm Sunday -11:00 am - 4:00 pm Location: Fairgrounds Salisbury Road Richmond, IN Hope to see you there! Stop by and say "HI!" and introduce yourself. Maybe you'll even see something I have that you can't live without. John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 20:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Mar 3 20:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Lanny, Looks like the book is taken but I'm curious to know where is claim was - Santa being my back yard and all. John Santa, Idaho john@pandemoniumgraphics.com www.pandemoniumgraphics.com > The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of > good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a > gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 3 21:21:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Mar 3 21:21:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free Message-ID: Greetings all, Twice I've offered books for "free" on this list (one book about a month and a half ago and three yesterday). My intention was primarily to get them into the hands of someone who can use them instead of having hem sit unsued, but expecting that several people might be interested, the offer has been for "free or best offer." This is working well, I'm putting the little bit of money I'm getting towards new mineral cabinets and list members have good books at a very low price. Because I'm sure my messages are bothering those who don't like commercial messages (I consider these non-commercial, they are a public service to get books in the hands of those who can appreciate them... :-)> ), and I have a few more to get rid of right now, I must list some more. I'm making another offer for two more books. This time again almost totally free, pay postage ($3.00) plus write a short story. That's right, no cash, just words. The story must meet the following restrictions: 1) the story must be rockhound related 2) the story must be true 3) the story must be humorous Write a story of about 500 words. That's about twice the length of this overly wordy message of mine. I'll consider stories until Saturday night (March 6); that's 3 days, which may be kind of short for some people, but let's not drag this out. Reply to this message to send your story to the list so everyone can enjoy the fun. The books will go to the person who writes the story that I like best, not public opinion, just my opinion. If you are interested in only one of the books, so state the fact, and the author of my second choice will get the other book (unless that person wants the same book, then you will have to duel for them with rock picks... maybe not, guess it'll go the next person in line). Beats spending money. Well, maybe not. What's a little public humiliation. We're all friendly. The two books are: "Australian Precious Opal" by Archie Kalokerinos, 51 pages, 1972, hard bound, lots of color photos, information on the different deposits, types of opal, etc., this was one of my father's books and has a stamp on the title page with his name and address (not his address now, if you know what I mean). The other book is "Gems in the Smithsonian" by Paul E. Desautels, 63 p., 1972, lots of color photos, information on the study of gems, cutting gems, gem lore and all that good stuff. That's it. If this works; I might offer Paul Desautels' "Mineral Kingdom" the same way, or maybe not, I might be lynched by then... Regards, Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 10:20:32 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Mar 4 10:20:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40474FF6.5040504@tenforward.com> Hi Lanny, Sounds like fun, here's my entry for both books. All the very best everyone, John When Dreams Come True; The Biggest Pocket And The Biggest Plate... By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com I'm a big pocket kind of guy, I've said it before and I'll say it again (just ask me). I like this scenario. I strive for it and I like to collect with this simple goal in mind. Bigger is better. I don't care what they say in public, behind closed doors when there's no one else to hear they all whisper wishes for the big pocket. My hands get all sweaty when I think about it, and like an addict, I think about it all the time. Come on baby, come on, just another crack of the hammer, just another cut of the chisel. Here, let my cuts bleed in red rivers of sacrificial wanting over your stony walls. Heck, I'll burn smudges and dance under moonlit skies in pomegranate seed lined circles while chanting '80's disco dance songs backwards if it'll help. Just bring the blessed monster pocket to me. I'm worthy. I have the tools. I have the desire. I have the passion. Come on baby, come on... Feverish I think these thoughts and decide to share my tales. One of the biggest pocket and the other of the biggest plate. These stories are true, all to. Jefferson County Washington and the Biggest Pocket. I was collecting at a little neighborhood quarry within an hours drive of the house on 5/10/98. This place rarely (read very rarely) produces a good specimen, still it's my neighborhood dig so what's a guy to do. This day began like most others, pack the tools and the boxes, drive, unload and walk in. As a person comes into the quarry they do so by coming up a small rise which brings one to the scales and then to the crushers, beyond this in a half-moon arc is the quarry proper. As my view cleared, after passing beyond the clutter of the equipment, the greatest sight that ever I could have asked to behold appeared before me. A crystal lined pocket stretched across the quarry face forever in a 2 foot thick band running more or less horizontally for over 20 feet. Beyond this the pocket was broken into patches covering an additional 20 foot area. All of a sudden something was different at my little local dig, something was very different and I started getting really, really excited! The memories of my crossing the intervening distance are hazy. I focused on the pocket unblinking (knowing of course that if I blinked the apparition would fade away). I knew, I knew I was looking at mineral nirvana, the promised land, and somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking that I was going to need a heck of a lot more boxes! Yards and yards of quarry floor I crossed and over all this great distance I could see that the pocket was filled with hundreds and hundreds of crystal lined plates all just waiting there and glittering in the sunlight. Man what an insanely giddy feeling, hundreds and hundreds of specimens lying loose and just waiting to be collected with time enough to retrieve them all. Man, oh man. Every foot I took closer only sped my heart to a faster beat, this was just too fantastic, too unreal. Flying over the last yards and then scrambling up the loose shot pile that lay against the quarry face I climbed until I was face to face with the biggest pristine crystal lined pocket I'd ever seen. Plates, hundreds of them sparkling with their upraised crystals lay just a fingers touch away just waiting for my loving caress. Only one thing stopped me, I wanted to cry. All that build up, all that expectation, all dashed headlong against the hard basaltic face of despair, I felt broken. All those plates, all those hundreds and hundreds of plates, every one covered in glittering crystals, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them, and every one laumontite. Even now, I shake my head reliving the despair of that moment. The biggest pocket I'd ever found, all 40 feet of it, was mineralized with a species which readily dehydrates upon exposure turning eventually into a soft white powdery pile. I just couldn't believe it, I'd been wishing for a pocket like this for years and when finally presented with my dream scenario it happens in this terrible way. Not knowing what else to do, I, while valiantly holding an all consuming despair at bay, persevered and decided to work the pocket in hopes that something other then laumontite had formed within this apparent aborted geological anomaly. Hundreds and hundreds of plates were examined and were then cast to the ground below. Nothing, nothing, and then like a faint hope a small spark of diversity flares and a plate with associated 2 inch calcite crystals appears. I worked towards it and finally I thought, redemption. But alas, the calcite crystals were dogs. The crystals had formed during a period of intense clay mineralization and were completely included with an opaque layer of gray crud. And then that was it. Nothing else was left to excavate. All of those hundreds and hundreds of glittering plates lay piled at my feet, not a one worth taking home. Oh, the calcite, I took it home and then gave it away the first chance I got, I just couldn't bear having it around. The Foothills of the Cascades and the Biggest Plate Not that long ago, back on 2/14/99, I had one of those awesome collecting experiences which forever marks a person. Marks them soul-deep. This is one such adventure. I'd started the day collecting in mid-late afternoon. This is a locality which I'd once very much enjoyed collecting and then like a breath extinguishing a flame the quarry just dried up and stopped producing. After a few years of nothing I began to prioritize the locality less and less highly. Days, weeks and months passed, the seasons changed and still on those rare visits to the pit, nothing. And then wham, like a 6 mile wide asteroid, pocket! And what a pocket it was. Nearly ten feet tall and about 7 wide, crystals sparkled everywhere. When the quarry had been shot the wall collapsed against itself and a great portion of the pocket was effectively destroyed. However, unblemished islands lay about and there was lots of good material to be had. I pulled out my tools, a 4 lb. hammer, flat and pointed chisels, a screw driver and my 32 and 44 inch bars and started working away. The hours past and a growing pile of really great specimens lay scattered all about me. I'd filled the boxes I'd brought a hour or so ago and just continued working away. Hours past and I started getting hungry. I packed up as many specimens as I could haul in my back pack and in the strapped on boxes which I'd additionally added and slowly trudged my way out and back to my truck. With a sigh like only mineral collectors relieving themselves of a load can sigh I dropped my pack from my sweaty shoulders and started the truck and drove for town, this adventure was only beginning. In town I bought the biggest meatiest dinner the local restaurant had and devoured it clean. From there I was off to the store for flashlights, after all, I'd not finished collecting the pocket yet. This time back at the quarry I moved the truck and went in by bicycle a different way hauling lots and lots of boxes. Before digging more specimens, I wrapped those I'd set aside and rode these out to the truck. With this accomplished it was time for more crystal collecting fun! With the cover of darkness the hours passed quietly. I'd found just before leaving that the back wall of the pocket was actually a false wall separating an outer pocket from an inner pocket. I began outlining the dimensions of the wall and started working with the goal to collect the entire wall as one monstrous single plate. Many of the crystals from the outer pocket were damaged on the plate but I felt that much of this could be over looked if this were the base of the plate and not its viewing side. So essentially I was hoping to collect a 5 by 2 foot plate whose front and back surfaces were crystal lined and this is exactly what I did. I'd bought two flashlights, one small and the other large. The large one was placed conveniently to light my working area while I held the smaller in my teeth. After hours of work the plate was loose and ready, it was just after midnight. With the wind back in my sails, I climbed up the debris pile laying against the quarry wall and planted my feet wide while grasping a hand hold of the vertical resting plates edge from an upper and a lower right side position one hand above the other. I wrenched against the plate and felt it break away from the opposing left side. The next part was tricky. Since the plate side away from me was from the inner undamaged pocket, this side must be protected at all costs. So I rolled the plate away from the wall and swiveled my arms from a vertical to a horizontal position with the plate following suit and dropped completely its full intense weight into my arms. And it was heavy! The huge thing lay against my chest and I couldn't even see what I was holding in the beam of the flashlight which I held precariously in my teeth lighting the rocky, muddy slope down to the quarry floor and a place where I could let this big baby down. Man I was pumped up. It's completely black all around me and the only light is threatening to fall from my teeth with each staggering step. I wobbled down to a sitting position resting the plate a top of myself before squirming out from underneath it as carefully as I could. I was so excited, it had not fallen apart under its own weight, I had not fallen apart under its weight. And I was about to look upon the biggest, badest monster of a plate that any one had ever seen. I grabbed for the big flashlight and shined its glorious light down upon the plate and I wanted to cry. Again, even now it pains me to remember the details of this oh so near miss. The back pocket had not had the space of the front pocket and there were ugly black contacts spottily scaring the entire plates surface. It was blemished and scarred and what else could I do?, after a bit I broke it down to collect the damage free areas. My beautiful monster plate had been 5 feet long and 2 feet wide and now its biggest recoverable plate lay wrapped in newspaper a measly thing at only 14 by 9 inch's. The crystals upon its surface are perfect, its just such a ghost of what it could have been. Wrapped in my thoughts as my specimens were in their protective coverings I boxed and transported the remainder of my haul somewhat somberly back to the truck. My eyes were blinded to the beauty of the evening and I don't know if it was more from the disappointment or the fatigue. It'd happened, but now it was gone, as elusive as any fish in any fishing tale. I guess it all comes down to a simple truth, if your going to wish for monster pockets and for gigantic crystal plates don't hesitate to be a bit more specific! John Lanny wrote: > Greetings all, > > Twice I've offered books for "free" on this list (one book about a > month and a half ago and three yesterday). My intention was primarily > to get them into the hands of someone who can use them instead of > having hem sit unsued, but expecting that several people might be > interested, the offer has been for "free or best offer." This is > working well, I'm putting the little bit of money I'm getting towards > new mineral cabinets and list members have good books at a very low > price. > > Because I'm sure my messages are bothering those who don't like > commercial messages (I consider these non-commercial, they are a > public service to get books in the hands of those who can appreciate > them... :-)> ), and I have a few more to get rid of right now, I must > list some more. I'm making another offer for two more books. > > This time again almost totally free, pay postage ($3.00) plus write a > short story. That's right, no cash, just words. The story must meet > the following restrictions: > 1) the story must be rockhound related > 2) the story must be true > 3) the story must be humorous > > Write a story of about 500 words. That's about twice the length of > this overly wordy message of mine. I'll consider stories until > Saturday night (March 6); that's 3 days, which may be kind of short > for some people, but let's not drag this out. Reply to this message to > send your story to the list so everyone can enjoy the fun. The books > will go to the person who writes the story that I like best, not > public opinion, just my opinion. If you are interested in only one of > the books, so state the fact, and the author of my second choice will > get the other book (unless that person wants the same book, then you > will have to duel for them with rock picks... maybe not, guess it'll > go the next person in line). Beats spending money. Well, maybe not. > What's a little public humiliation. We're all friendly. > > The two books are: "Australian Precious Opal" by Archie Kalokerinos, > 51 pages, 1972, hard bound, lots of color photos, information on the > different deposits, types of opal, etc., this was one of my father's > books and has a stamp on the title page with his name and address (not > his address now, if you know what I mean). The other book is "Gems in > the Smithsonian" by Paul E. Desautels, 63 p., 1972, lots of color > photos, information on the study of gems, cutting gems, gem lore and > all that good stuff. > > That's it. If this works; I might offer Paul Desautels' "Mineral > Kingdom" the same way, or maybe not, I might be lynched by then... > > Regards, > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 10:21:32 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Thu Mar 4 10:21:32 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info In-Reply-To: <64.3b5af0c1.2d77c78e@aol.com> References: <64.3b5af0c1.2d77c78e@aol.com> Message-ID: <40475508.2080208@hal-pc.org> Docia1154@aol.com wrote: >The website is the Association of Missouri Geologists, one would think they >have permission to have it there. > >In a message dated 3/3/2004 4:29:58 PM Central Standard Time, >lanny@lrream.com writes: >This is an interesting set of three pdf files of; very nice, with a >1996 copyright/printing date. > >Anyone know anything about its being on the Missouri web site? In the >Preface, the author describes why he prepared the book and continues to >reprint it, thus I am curious if it is legitimately on the website. > > Yes, to be there, but not necessarily to download! Anybody in AMG have the inside info on this? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 10:22:28 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Thu Mar 4 10:22:28 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info In-Reply-To: <66.3d4168e2.2d77f48f@aol.com> References: <66.3d4168e2.2d77f48f@aol.com> Message-ID: <4047598F.3010406@hal-pc.org> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: >The problem with the information on the Missouri Geologists website is that >it is not very specific.It's like asking where Walmart is and someone answering >"Saint Louis" or "downtown". > >T. McGinnis > > > True, but look at the bibliography where the real information is. For instance, the New Mexico section has maps verbatum from the Bulletins series of the NM Geological Survey. To do a good search of locations to go, it is always better to consult the studies, bulletins, and maps. In the case of NM they are available from the campus in Socorro, and can be ordered online. I have also found good works available online from the Utah Geological Survey and I am sure there are others. The value of this compilation is in getting a survey of where to think about for that next trip, always the first step. In fact, one can almost say that Richard Pearl, Bessie Simpson, June Culp Zeitner, and Lanny Ream were the original "rockhound guide" compilers, and the rest have more or less mimiced them. Most times that's how I find the current crop's value to be, i. e., not bad but usually obsolete. Much more up-to-date sources are the field trip articles in Rock & Gem magazine but even these are a few years old in practice when they are published. That said it is still with great pleasure and enlightenment that I read anything by John Sinkankis. The best source is always the guy who was there last, your fellow club member (or online chatter). john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 10:32:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Mar 4 10:32:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi John, For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. I'm not sure exactly where, probably be able to recognize it if there, but haven't driven up that road since the late 1960s or maybe about 1970. Take the road south that is across the river from Santa, at a mile take the left, in two miles the right fork that goes up Tyson Creek. At that time, there were the remains of a small mill (supposedly had a Wilfley table and did gold capture with mercury, below that you can pan mercury out of the creek), and there was a small miner's cabin just above the mill (I think it was up the road from the mill.). These may both be nearly invisible now. The area is wooded (had just been logged back then), and it is probably private timberland, not National Forest. Heck, it might have a house on it now. The meager notes I wrote then indicate it is 2 miles south of the Tyson Creek bridge. That would put it in about the center of sec 3 (T43N R1W) (47 deg 06 min 06 sec N, 116 deg 26 min 52 sec W, off the topo). At that point a road and drainage forks south (main creek and road running SW), and I believe it was up that drainage where I panned. I did not pan on the main creek, it was tiny side drainage. Have fun. Lanny On Mar 3, 2004, at 6:38 PM, John Siebel wrote: > Hi Lanny, > > Looks like the book is taken but I'm curious to know where is claim > was - > Santa being my back yard and all. > > John > Santa, Idaho > john@pandemoniumgraphics.com > www.pandemoniumgraphics.com > > >> The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of >> good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by >> a >> gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 11:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Mar 4 11:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4020b$a21e3140$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks Lanny! We'll give it shot once this new 6 inches of snow melts down. And we were so close to spring last week that I was out, shirtless, digging my prime garden bed out of the snow and working on my tan! John Santa, Idaho john@pandemoniumgraphics.com www.pandemoniumgraphics.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" > Hi John, > > For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a > rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 11:32:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Mar 4 11:32:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lanny's books References: <3370B834-6D8D-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <003e01c4021d$c1d845e0$223f27c4@horstspc> Hi Bryan, I still have a brand new copy (printed in 1989) copy of "Idaho Minerals - the complete Reference and Guide to the Minerals of Idaho" for sale. (At the time I ordered three copies, but little interest was shown in South Africa for this book) If interested, please contact me off-line Kind regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lanny's books > Hi Bryan, > > Lanny Ream shows them as out of print too. Amazon should have the > latest edition of the Idaho guide, published by Gem Guides. If not, > contact Gem Guides (626-855-1611), or order it from any book store > (ISBN 1-889786-13-6), It's $9.95. I took the "still good" localities > (36 of them) from the two Idaho guides and combined them into: "The Gem > & Mineral Collector's Guide to Idaho." > > I did not come up with enough localities for a second volume on > Montana, and am not reprinting the first volume. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Mar 3, 2004, at 2:31 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > Anyone know where you can get Lanny Ream's books on Idaho and Montana > > Rockhounding, Amazon is showing them as out of print. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 13:46:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Mar 4 13:46:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <002c01c3fb00$77ee17d0$bfbd8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <000201c40232$0efb5830$6501a8c0@moose> I'm back from sorta-sunny, really hot (nearly 80!), REALLY REALLY humid (90% RH), Atlanta. And... THANK YOU ANITA!!!! What a gal. After my presentation at the conference was done, she picked me up at my hotel and hauled me 40+ miles up to the Weinman museum. Exquisite! The thing I liked best about the museum was its VERY thorough treatment of local (Georgia) minerals. The Graves mountain display was fantastic. Great little rock shop there, too. Exceptionally reasonable prices. Next, off to "Maddy's". One of THE best barbecue joints I have EVER been to. Watch for my review at www.roadfood.com sometime in the next couple of weeks. Finally, off to Anita's to look at her collection. Boy...you can tell SHE is a LIBRARIAN. Everything perfectly catalogued from the tiniest crystal to a massive hunk of petrified wood that looks like a fresh log in my backyard, until you poke at it with your foot. Heh, heh... I drove her nuts by moving a specimen box "out of square" with the edge of the table it was sitting on. She just HAD to "square" it up . All in all, a FANTASTIC afternoon and evening. I love being a rockhound, but almost better, I really enjoy this world-wide community of collectors. Collecting friends is just as much fun as collecting rocks. As ever... Gary Brown http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Anita Westlake > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:03 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > > > Hey Gary: > Not much here in the way of rock shops. > > Anita in Atlanta From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 15:17:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 4 15:17:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Websites for Rockhound Info In-Reply-To: <66.3d4168e2.2d77f48f@aol.com> Message-ID: Well I looked at the book and fired up my TOPO software and was able to get a pretty good idea where to start looking on the ten or so items I checked in Arizona and Montana. Seems like it is a good planning guide anyway. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > The problem with the information on the Missouri Geologists > website is that > it is not very specific.It's like asking where Walmart is and > someone answering > "Saint Louis" or "downtown". > > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 18:41:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Mar 4 18:41:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <000201c40232$0efb5830$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <200403050239.i252dVVZ096394@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net> Really hot (nearly 80!)---We down here in the South have been looking forward to just those sorts of temperatures. Its been really cold (nearly 40) for too long. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:46 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > > I'm back from sorta-sunny, really hot (nearly 80!), REALLY > REALLY humid (90% RH), Atlanta. > > And... THANK YOU ANITA!!!! What a gal. > > After my presentation at the conference was done, she picked > me up at my hotel and hauled me 40+ miles up to the Weinman > museum. Exquisite! The thing I liked best about the museum > was its VERY thorough treatment of local > (Georgia) minerals. The Graves mountain display was > fantastic. Great little rock shop there, too. Exceptionally > reasonable prices. > > Next, off to "Maddy's". One of THE best barbecue joints I > have EVER been to. Watch for my review at www.roadfood.com > sometime in the next couple of weeks. > > Finally, off to Anita's to look at her collection. Boy...you > can tell SHE is a LIBRARIAN. Everything perfectly catalogued > from the tiniest crystal to a massive hunk of petrified wood > that looks like a fresh log in my backyard, until you poke at > it with your foot. Heh, heh... I drove her nuts by moving a > specimen box "out of square" with the edge of the table it > was sitting on. > She just HAD to "square" it up . > > All in all, a FANTASTIC afternoon and evening. I love being > a rockhound, but almost better, I really enjoy this > world-wide community of collectors. > Collecting friends is just as much fun as collecting rocks. > > As ever... > Gary Brown > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Anita > > Westlake > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:03 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > > > > > > Hey Gary: > > Not much here in the way of rock shops. > > > > > Anita in Atlanta > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 19:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 4 19:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lanny's books In-Reply-To: <3370B834-6D8D-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Thanks Lanny, I'll order one right away. We're probably heading out there this summer to do Glacier and collecting. I spent a year down in Arco but never made it up into the north part of Idaho so I'd like to look around that area too. Bryan > > Hi Bryan, > > Lanny Ream shows them as out of print too. Amazon should have the > latest edition of the Idaho guide, published by Gem Guides. If not, > contact Gem Guides (626-855-1611), or order it from any book store > (ISBN 1-889786-13-6), It's $9.95. I took the "still good" localities > (36 of them) from the two Idaho guides and combined them into: "The Gem > & Mineral Collector's Guide to Idaho." > > I did not come up with enough localities for a second volume on > Montana, and am not reprinting the first volume. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Mar 3, 2004, at 2:31 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > Anyone know where you can get Lanny Ream's books on Idaho and Montana > > Rockhounding, Amazon is showing them as out of print. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 20:35:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 4 20:35:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304203307.01fa79d8@mail.spiritone.com> Here's a freebie...next one'll cost ya :) Diagonal hatches are private; horizontal are state land... At 10:30 AM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Hi John, > >For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a >rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. > >I'm not sure exactly where, probably be able to recognize it if there, but >haven't driven up that road since the late 1960s or maybe about 1970. Take >the road south that is across the river from Santa, at a mile take the >left, in two miles the right fork that goes up Tyson Creek. At that time, >there were the remains of a small mill (supposedly had a Wilfley table and >did gold capture with mercury, below that you can pan mercury out of the >creek), and there was a small miner's cabin just above the mill (I think >it was up the road from the mill.). These may both be nearly invisible >now. The area is wooded (had just been logged back then), and it is >probably private timberland, not National Forest. Heck, it might have a >house on it now. > >The meager notes I wrote then indicate it is 2 miles south of the Tyson >Creek bridge. That would put it in about the center of sec 3 (T43N R1W) >(47 deg 06 min 06 sec N, 116 deg 26 min 52 sec W, off the topo). At that >point a road and drainage forks south (main creek and road running SW), >and I believe it was up that drainage where I panned. I did not pan on the >main creek, it was tiny side drainage. > >Have fun. > >Lanny > > >On Mar 3, 2004, at 6:38 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >>Hi Lanny, >> >>Looks like the book is taken but I'm curious to know where is claim was - >>Santa being my back yard and all. >> >>John >>Santa, Idaho >>john@pandemoniumgraphics.com >>www.pandemoniumgraphics.com >> >> >>>The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of >>>good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a >>>gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/zip --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 20:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 4 20:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304203453.01fa10d0@mail.spiritone.com> WHOOPS that should be VERTICAL hatches are state land...BTW I can annotate all sorts of stuff onto these; including UTM and lat/lon grids, waypoints, just about anything really...if anyone is interested in custom maps of their favorite places...email me...I will trade for good rough lol... At 10:30 AM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Hi John, > >For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a >rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. > >I'm not sure exactly where, probably be able to recognize it if there, but >haven't driven up that road since the late 1960s or maybe about 1970. Take >the road south that is across the river from Santa, at a mile take the >left, in two miles the right fork that goes up Tyson Creek. At that time, >there were the remains of a small mill (supposedly had a Wilfley table and >did gold capture with mercury, below that you can pan mercury out of the >creek), and there was a small miner's cabin just above the mill (I think >it was up the road from the mill.). These may both be nearly invisible >now. The area is wooded (had just been logged back then), and it is >probably private timberland, not National Forest. Heck, it might have a >house on it now. > >The meager notes I wrote then indicate it is 2 miles south of the Tyson >Creek bridge. That would put it in about the center of sec 3 (T43N R1W) >(47 deg 06 min 06 sec N, 116 deg 26 min 52 sec W, off the topo). At that >point a road and drainage forks south (main creek and road running SW), >and I believe it was up that drainage where I panned. I did not pan on the >main creek, it was tiny side drainage. > >Have fun. > >Lanny > > >On Mar 3, 2004, at 6:38 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >>Hi Lanny, >> >>Looks like the book is taken but I'm curious to know where is claim was - >>Santa being my back yard and all. >> >>John >>Santa, Idaho >>john@pandemoniumgraphics.com >>www.pandemoniumgraphics.com >> >> >>>The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of >>>good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a >>>gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. >> >>Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >>Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com >>CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD >>Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary >>Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers >>Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale >>Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 20:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 4 20:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304203803.01f6f088@mail.spiritone.com> Guess I cant send ZIPs to the list...that's too bad...a shame really... At 10:30 AM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Hi John, > >For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a >rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. > >I'm not sure exactly where, probably be able to recognize it if there, but >haven't driven up that road since the late 1960s or maybe about 1970. Take >the road south that is across the river from Santa, at a mile take the >left, in two miles the right fork that goes up Tyson Creek. At that time, >there were the remains of a small mill (supposedly had a Wilfley table and >did gold capture with mercury, below that you can pan mercury out of the >creek), and there was a small miner's cabin just above the mill (I think >it was up the road from the mill.). These may both be nearly invisible >now. The area is wooded (had just been logged back then), and it is >probably private timberland, not National Forest. Heck, it might have a >house on it now. > >The meager notes I wrote then indicate it is 2 miles south of the Tyson >Creek bridge. That would put it in about the center of sec 3 (T43N R1W) >(47 deg 06 min 06 sec N, 116 deg 26 min 52 sec W, off the topo). At that >point a road and drainage forks south (main creek and road running SW), >and I believe it was up that drainage where I panned. I did not pan on the >main creek, it was tiny side drainage. > >Have fun. > >Lanny > > >On Mar 3, 2004, at 6:38 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >>Hi Lanny, >> >>Looks like the book is taken but I'm curious to know where is claim was - >>Santa being my back yard and all. >> >>John >>Santa, Idaho >>john@pandemoniumgraphics.com >>www.pandemoniumgraphics.com >> >> >>>The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of >>>good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a >>>gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. >> >>Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >>Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com >>CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD >>Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary >>Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers >>Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale >>Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 21:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 4 21:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304203803.01f6f088@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <404809CA.342F@Tomaszewski.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > > Guess I cant send ZIPs to the list...that's too bad...a shame really... Many of the current viri/worms are coming as ZIPs. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 21:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Mar 4 21:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <000d01c4020b$a21e3140$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <000d01c4020b$a21e3140$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: Hi John, If you get out and give it a try; let us know how you do. Same here on the weather; it sure did feel like spring, or almost spring. Now it's all white again. Guess we'll have to accept the fact that it is still winter, or at least the winterish part of spring. When looking for the gold, remember that this wasn't the usual gravels in a creek bed. It was a small tributary of Tyson Creek in a small gully and all I ever saw was clay, no gravel. The gold was fine, and as I recall, there was one or two tiny flakes per pan. I have a polished section I made from the sample, it shows the typical magnetite, tiny garnets and gold flakes. Let me know if there are any signs of the small log cabin the prospector was staying in and of the small mill building. Lanny On Mar 4, 2004, at 9:09 AM, John Siebel wrote: > Thanks Lanny! > > We'll give it shot once this new 6 inches of snow melts down. And we > were so > close to spring last week that I was out, shirtless, digging my prime > garden > bed out of the snow and working on my tan! > > John > Santa, Idaho > john@pandemoniumgraphics.com > www.pandemoniumgraphics.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lanny" > > >> Hi John, >> >> For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a >> rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 21:12:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Mar 4 21:12:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lanny's books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bryan, Hope you have a good trip. Sorry there isn't a fresh new updated version of the Montana Guide, but I just wasn't having good luck coming up with accessible/productive localities to fill out a second volume or update the first. Too much time for too little success. Lanny On Mar 4, 2004, at 7:26 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Thanks Lanny, I'll order one right away. We're probably heading out > there > this summer to do Glacier and collecting. I spent a year down in Arco > but > never made it up into the north part of Idaho so I'd like to look > around > that area too. > > Bryan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 4 23:28:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Thu Mar 4 23:28:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? References: <000201c40232$0efb5830$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <00e101c40283$3ddef610$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Glad you had a good trip and were able to enjoy the weather. It is good you were in the area when the humidity was not too high. Sounds like Anita had a red carpet out for you. Concerning the Weinman...the director is a great guy and I hope you were able to meet him. He is a member of our rock club in Rome, GA about 30 miles away. He is also the chairman of our annual show (which is 19,20 and 21 March). If you had a chance to meet Jose, you met one of the really good guys. With your permission, I would like to forward your comments about the Weinman to him. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > I'm back from sorta-sunny, really hot (nearly 80!), REALLY REALLY humid (90% > RH), Atlanta. > > And... THANK YOU ANITA!!!! What a gal. > > After my presentation at the conference was done, she picked me up at my > hotel and hauled me 40+ miles up to the Weinman museum. Exquisite! The > thing I liked best about the museum was its VERY thorough treatment of local > (Georgia) minerals. The Graves mountain display was fantastic. Great > little rock shop there, too. Exceptionally reasonable prices. > > Next, off to "Maddy's". One of THE best barbecue joints I have EVER been > to. Watch for my review at www.roadfood.com sometime in the next couple of > weeks. > > Finally, off to Anita's to look at her collection. Boy...you can tell SHE > is a LIBRARIAN. Everything perfectly catalogued from the tiniest crystal to > a massive hunk of petrified wood that looks like a fresh log in my backyard, > until you poke at it with your foot. Heh, heh... I drove her nuts by moving > a specimen box "out of square" with the edge of the table it was sitting on. > She just HAD to "square" it up . > > All in all, a FANTASTIC afternoon and evening. I love being a rockhound, > but almost better, I really enjoy this world-wide community of collectors. > Collecting friends is just as much fun as collecting rocks. > > As ever... > Gary Brown > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Anita Westlake > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:03 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > > > > > > Hey Gary: > > Not much here in the way of rock shops. > > > > > Anita in Atlanta > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 01:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 5 01:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305011453.01f8ad48@mail.spiritone.com> I sent it to him - you replied that you didnt know who owned the land. I plotted the land ownership on the topo...dunno why he wouldn't want to know that... At 10:30 AM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Hi John, > >For your interest, or anyone else who might want to pan for gold in a >rather unusual occurrence in Idaho; the deposit is on Tyson Creek. > >I'm not sure exactly where, probably be able to recognize it if there, but >haven't driven up that road since the late 1960s or maybe about 1970. Take >the road south that is across the river from Santa, at a mile take the >left, in two miles the right fork that goes up Tyson Creek. At that time, >there were the remains of a small mill (supposedly had a Wilfley table and >did gold capture with mercury, below that you can pan mercury out of the >creek), and there was a small miner's cabin just above the mill (I think >it was up the road from the mill.). These may both be nearly invisible >now. The area is wooded (had just been logged back then), and it is >probably private timberland, not National Forest. Heck, it might have a >house on it now. > >The meager notes I wrote then indicate it is 2 miles south of the Tyson >Creek bridge. That would put it in about the center of sec 3 (T43N R1W) >(47 deg 06 min 06 sec N, 116 deg 26 min 52 sec W, off the topo). At that >point a road and drainage forks south (main creek and road running SW), >and I believe it was up that drainage where I panned. I did not pan on the >main creek, it was tiny side drainage. > >Have fun. > >Lanny > > >On Mar 3, 2004, at 6:38 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >>Hi Lanny, >> >>Looks like the book is taken but I'm curious to know where is claim was - >>Santa being my back yard and all. >> >>John >>Santa, Idaho >>john@pandemoniumgraphics.com >>www.pandemoniumgraphics.com >> >> >>>The first is one I'm sure everyone will want, I know it did a lot of >>>good being in my possession for about 30 years. It was given to me by a >>>gold prospector working a claim near Santa, Idaho. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 01:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 5 01:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <404809CA.342F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304203803.01f6f088@mail.spiritone.com> <404809CA.342F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305012007.01f64dd8@mail.spiritone.com> Which also limits the knowledge that can be distributed through the list...like I said...s shame... At 09:13 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > Guess I cant send ZIPs to the list...that's too bad...a shame really... > > >Many of the current viri/worms are coming as ZIPs. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 01:23:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 5 01:23:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305011453.01f8ad48@mail.spiritone.com> References: <5C2936AE-6CD0-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <003001c40192$09823e00$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> <05EC71A9-6E0A-11D8-8697-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040305011453.01f8ad48@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305012147.01f8c290@mail.spiritone.com> I apologizer to the list for hitting the send key too fast... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 05:19:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 5 05:19:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show Message-ID: <46.48844020.2d79d7fb@aol.com> Just a reminder that our show is this weekend. Hope to see you there. For those who have atteded in the past please note that we are at a new, larger and more convenient location. Hope all of our past visitors and some new ones will be there. The club has worked hard to make this a new and special show. If you do attend drop by and say hello. Bring this E-Mail and receive 50 cents off on all admissions at the door. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE and Club Publicity Chair WHO: Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc., an EFMLS Club WHAT: 41st Annual Earth Science Gem and Mineral Show WHEN - Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 10 A.M. to 6 P.M. Sunday, March 7, 2004 - 11 A.M. to 5 P.M. WHERE: <> Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713 PURPOSE: To foster interest in geology, mineralogy, paleontology and the lapidary arts HOW - Tickets available at the door: Adults $4.00, Seniors $3.00, Juniors $2.50, and children under 12 free with Adult. Bring this E-Mail and receive 50 cents off on all admissions. FEATURES * Interesting and educational exhibits of mineral, lapidary and fossil specimens * Displays from regional and university museums * Larger facilities with an expanded list of outstanding dealers of minerals, fossils, gems, jewelry and lapidary supplies. * Hourly door prizes and large specimen raffle * Lapidary demonstrations * Microscopes for viewing mineral specimens * Children's booth where youngsters may purchase inexpensive minerals, fossils and grab bags. Club booth with member-crafted lapidary work and mineral/fossil specimens from member's collections. For further information, contact: * Gene Hartstein, (302) 234-4488 (E-Mail- fossilnut@aol.com) (Publicity) * Keith Robertson (302) 838-6989 (E-Mail- hemipristis@aol.com) (President) * Alex Kane (610) 274-8228 (E-Mail- Aandmkane@aol.com) (Show Chair) Sincerely, Gene Hartstein - Show Publicity Chair --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 05:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri Mar 5 05:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <00e101c40283$3ddef610$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: <001301c402b4$ef1053d0$d1bd8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Yes, Gary got to meet Jose Santamaria, Director and Curator of the Weinman. Jose took us behind the scenes and showed us some pretties he bought in Tucson for the museum. Now, it's my turn to talk about Gary (whom I had never met) since he has already told you about my severe case of ALS: Anal-Librarian-Syndrome. Gary is one of those rare individuals who has actually figured out LIFE! He is alive, energetic, interesting, quick, no-holes-barred, and friendly. He just puts himself out there in the world and says "Look out: I'm coming." (Sometimes, I'm sure, he doesn't give you any warning at all!) It's true what Gary said about "collecting friends" as well as rocks. I'm sure he has an abundance of both. We talked about rockhounds over dinner and I really believe there's not a nicer bunch of people in the world. I went to pick up Gary at his hotel without the first thought of danger. I gave him the keys to my car to retrieve his camera without wondering whether he'd drive off. I invited him into my home without fear of being robbed or molested. It's not that I am stupid or naïve. It's that I know of the heart of these good people. Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dave West Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:27 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? Glad you had a good trip and were able to enjoy the weather. It is good you were in the area when the humidity was not too high. Sounds like Anita had a red carpet out for you. Concerning the Weinman...the director is a great guy and I hope you were able to meet him. He is a member of our rock club in Rome, GA about 30 miles away. He is also the chairman of our annual show (which is 19,20 and 21 March). If you had a chance to meet Jose, you met one of the really good guys. With your permission, I would like to forward your comments about the Weinman to him. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > I'm back from sorta-sunny, really hot (nearly 80!), REALLY REALLY humid (90% > RH), Atlanta. > > And... THANK YOU ANITA!!!! What a gal. > > After my presentation at the conference was done, she picked me up at my > hotel and hauled me 40+ miles up to the Weinman museum. Exquisite! The > thing I liked best about the museum was its VERY thorough treatment of local > (Georgia) minerals. The Graves mountain display was fantastic. Great > little rock shop there, too. Exceptionally reasonable prices. > > Next, off to "Maddy's". One of THE best barbecue joints I have EVER been > to. Watch for my review at www.roadfood.com sometime in the next couple of > weeks. > > Finally, off to Anita's to look at her collection. Boy...you can tell SHE > is a LIBRARIAN. Everything perfectly catalogued from the tiniest crystal to > a massive hunk of petrified wood that looks like a fresh log in my backyard, > until you poke at it with your foot. Heh, heh... I drove her nuts by moving > a specimen box "out of square" with the edge of the table it was sitting on. > She just HAD to "square" it up . > > All in all, a FANTASTIC afternoon and evening. I love being a rockhound, > but almost better, I really enjoy this world-wide community of collectors. > Collecting friends is just as much fun as collecting rocks. > > As ever... > Gary Brown > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Anita Westlake > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:03 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > > > > > > Hey Gary: > > Not much here in the way of rock shops. > > > > > Anita in Atlanta > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 06:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 5 06:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New York City Mineral Show Message-ID: <148.23b68556.2d79e4ff@aol.com> New York City Gem & Mineral Show March 6-7, 2003 10:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M. At the Holiday Inn Midtown 440 West 57th Street, NY, NY (Between 9th and 10th Avenues) Some of the New Minerals Just In: " Natural diamond crystals from the Dem. Rep. of Congo, South Africa and the famous Argyle Mine in Australia " Native gold crystals from the Olinghouse Mine in Nevada. " Aesthetic clusters of lustrous stibnite crystals from China. " Bright pink rhodochrosite clusters from the N'Chwaning II Mine in South Africa. " Green fluorapophyllite crystals on matrix from the Pashan Hill Quarry, Poona District in India. " Plus hundreds of showy dioptase, azurite, cerussite from the collections of Michael D. McMillan and John Rumble, both mine geologists from South Africa. John Betts - Fine Minerals 215 West 98 Street, No. 2F, New York City, NY 10025 http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 06:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 5 06:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? Message-ID: <27.526b9a98.2d79e62e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/2004 7:23:25 AM Central Standard Time,=20 libawc@emory.edu writes: I really believe there's not a nicer bunch of people in the world. I went to pick up Gary at his hotel without the first thought of danger. I gave him the keys to my car to retrieve his camera without wondering whether he'd drive off. I invited him into my home without fear of being robbed or molested. It's not that I am stupid or na=EFve. It's that I know of the hear= t of these good people.=20 AMEN to that! Isn't it great to be able to have that ease with someone. =20 Rockhounds are great --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 06:45:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Mar 5 06:45:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? In-Reply-To: <00e101c40283$3ddef610$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: <000601c402c0$57220440$6501a8c0@moose> Hi Dave... I indeed got to meet Jose. Great guy! He showed us some of the neat stuff he picked up in Tucson. And...yes...pass on my comment! Regards, GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dave West > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:27 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Atlanta Shops? > > > Glad you had a good trip and were able to enjoy the weather. > It is good you were in the area when the humidity was not too > high. Sounds like Anita had a red carpet out for you. > Concerning the Weinman...the director is a great guy and I > hope you were able to meet him. He is a member of our rock > club in Rome, GA about 30 miles away. He is also the > chairman of our annual show (which is 19,20 and 21 March). > If you had a chance to meet Jose, you met one of the really > good guys. With your permission, I would like to forward > your comments about the Weinman to him. DaveW From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 09:58:18 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 5 09:58:18 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where are the Rockhounds? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031123134650.01d764f8@mail.spiritone.com> References: <000801c39cab$f85b9cc0$6800a8c0@larry> <48075B94-1DF8-11D8-953E-000A95AF049E@mac.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20031123134650.01d764f8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305093801.01f3bbc0@mail.spiritone.com> I have been GIS-ing for my work and to practice I made some maps of where the people are who have bought rock and CDs, etc. from me in the past 5 years or so. Check out this link if you're into geeky color coded GIS maps of the US :) http://orerockon.com/Rockhound%20Map.htm Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 10:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where are the Rockhounds? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305093801.01f3bbc0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Normalize to population to remove the effects of the small-state bias? I think the 2000 TIGER files are out now? Very cool to see other GIS geeks in the rockhounding community. a. > I have been GIS-ing for my work and to practice I made some maps of where > the people are who have bought rock and CDs, etc. from me in the past 5 > years or so. Check out this link if you're into geeky color coded GIS maps > of the US :) > > http://orerockon.com/Rockhound%20Map.htm > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 10:36:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:36:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Where are the Rockhounds? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305093801.01f3bbc0@mail.spiritone.com> References: <000801c39cab$f85b9cc0$6800a8c0@larry> <48075B94-1DF8-11D8-953E-000A95AF049E@mac.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20031123134650.01d764f8@mail.spiritone.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040305093801.01f3bbc0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: with a population under a half million its a wonder you get so many hits from wyoming cool map. thanks for sharing ;) ~KM On Mar 5, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Tim Fisher wrote: > I have been GIS-ing for my work and to practice I made some maps of > where the people are who have bought rock and CDs, etc. from me in the > past 5 years or so. Check out this link if you're into geeky color > coded GIS maps of the US :) > > http://orerockon.com/Rockhound%20Map.htm > The reward of a thing well done, is to have done it. - Ralph Waldo Emerson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 10:56:30 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:56:30 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305012007.01f64dd8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: No attachments can be sent to the list; it's not just ZIPs. If Aaron allowed ZIPs or other files, some people might abuse the privilege and our inboxes would fill up with stuff that only a few people on the list would want. Personally, I'm glad files cannot be sent to the list. All you have to do is post the ZIP onto a website and then tell everyone where to get it. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:21 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Books for free Which also limits the knowledge that can be distributed through the list...like I said...s shame... At 09:13 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > Guess I cant send ZIPs to the list...that's too bad...a shame really... > > >Many of the current viri/worms are coming as ZIPs. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 11:02:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Mar 5 11:02:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Most list members are pretty good about not sending things as attachments; the primary threat is virii. Just to give you an idea, there are 334 bounces in the Rockhounds admin queue right now. Most are virus-related. I last cleaned that out two days ago... If there's enough demand, I'd be willing to set up a SMALL area on the drizzle webserver for something like this book list. However, the webspace cuts into my personal website space (10 mb), so it would be the exception rather that the rule. We couldn't use it for pictures, but text files and links might be okay. Discuss. ;-) a. List Admin > No attachments can be sent to the list; it's not just ZIPs. If Aaron > allowed ZIPs or other files, some people might abuse the privilege and our > inboxes would fill up with stuff that only a few people on the list would > want. Personally, I'm glad files cannot be sent to the list. > > All you have to do is post the ZIP onto a website and then tell everyone > where to get it. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:21 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Books for free > > > Which also limits the knowledge that can be distributed through the > list...like I said...s shame... > > At 09:13 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: > >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > > Guess I cant send ZIPs to the list...that's too bad...a shame really... > > > > > >Many of the current viri/worms are coming as ZIPs. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 11:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Mar 5 11:23:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Carbonate-hydroxylapatite Message-ID: <003c01c402e6$0b5e9ca0$2d5204d0@jim> Does anyone have a source for carbonate-hydroxylapatite? It doesn't have = to be good specimen quality, in fact, I'd be happier if it wasn't. A = customer needs it for a research project, which would destroy the = specimens. Thanks. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 20:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 5 20:32:01 2004 Subject: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion (was: [Rockhounds] Books for free) References: Message-ID: <4049541E.48B7@Tomaszewski.net> I agree with Aaron on not allowing attachments on this list, and that it is primarily for the security issues/risks. Most internet citizens don't realize just how nasty it is out there on the digital superhighway because of the diligent efforts of admins like Aaron. However, there are some other good reasons for being a text only list. Some/Many on the list, especially in rural locations, are still forced to use slower/dialup connections to the internet, and they dislike unexpected large attachments; they prefer to 'pull' large files at their convenience instead of having them 'pushed' to them in an email unexpectedly. Some use a text only email system. Text is our guaranteed common denominator. To those who do only text, attachments are garbage. Not everyone will be interested in an attachment (or even the topic being discussed). It makes more sense to post your discussion and refer readers to where they can get the big picture/file, instead of imposing a bandwidth/time/storage penalty on everyone. Text only minimizes the bandwidth/time/storage impacted for all subscribers, and for the list host, making timely delivery of list postings possible. Text only implies you can effectively 'chat' with other posters to the list. BTW, a downloaded file is just as unsafe as an email attachment if you attempt to execute it instead of just read/view it with an application. So we need website space for posting files/pictures, and a way for a list member to have their file uploaded there. OR You send an email (off-list, forwarding the posted offer) and ask that the poster send you the file/attachment (off-list). Problem solved. Best solution for items that interest a minority of the list. But items of general interest usually reqquire website space so the poster is not overwhelmed with requests. Several possible solutions are available, and a volunteer list like this probably should use them all. Many email accounts come with a small amount of website space, but you may have to ask your ISP before you find out you have it, so those posters already have a place they can put files once they learn how from their ISP. Some ISPs offer 10 or more meg per email account. It doesn't hurt to ask. Some list members have their own website, and many of those have made space available in the past for temporary postings by other members. The method is arranged by the host and poster offlist (send me your file and I'll tell you where I put it). I include Aaron's generous offer to post on his Drizzle website. The remaining alternative is to move to one of the commercial hosts like yahoogroups that provides posting space for users that are registered and logon; the list host would have to be a paid subscriber to the hosting service, and that would involve a new admin (I asume that Aaron doesn't want to do that; he wouldn't be hosting a list himself if he considered it a viable option -- list hosting can eat time) and essentially be a new list. If you don't like the way this list is run, find another list or start a new one yourself; I like the way Aaron runs the list and appreciate his quiet efforts. BTW, It is easy to overlook assumptions. One here is that the poster of a file/picture has copyright to the material, or permission of the copyright holder to republish (and proper attribution has been made). So we're left with maybe half the list (though I would prefer to argue for an 80/20 rule, but say half because a lot don't/won't know if they have webspace) that still needs a place to occasionally post something (that either interests most of the list, or someone who can host it) temporarily. I think the existing alternatives/list conventions are adequate... If you can't post it yourself (or get a friend to post it for you) you can... Offer to email it to interested list members AND Ask for someone to step up that is willing to post a (fill_in_the_blank) K/Meg sized file (for roughly 30 days). and repost if you find a host, otherwise simply continue to reply (offlist) with your attachment. ...and that no changes are needed. My personal thanks again to Aaron for hosting a great list. Kreigh Aaron Fox wrote: > > Most list members are pretty good about not sending things as attachments; > the primary threat is virii. Just to give you an idea, there are 334 > bounces in the Rockhounds admin queue right now. Most are virus-related. I > last cleaned that out two days ago... > > If there's enough demand, I'd be willing to set up a SMALL area on the > drizzle webserver for something like this book list. However, the > webspace cuts into my personal website space (10 mb), so it would be the > exception rather that the rule. We couldn't use it for pictures, but text > files and links might be okay. > > Discuss. ;-) > > a. > List Admin > > > No attachments can be sent to the list; it's not just ZIPs. If Aaron > > allowed ZIPs or other files, some people might abuse the privilege and our > > inboxes would fill up with stuff that only a few people on the list would > > want. Personally, I'm glad files cannot be sent to the list. > > > > All you have to do is post the ZIP onto a website and then tell everyone > > where to get it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:21 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Books for free > > > > > > Which also limits the knowledge that can be distributed through the > > list...like I said...s shame... > > > > At 09:13 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: > > >Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > > Guess I cant send ZIPs to the list...that's too bad...a shame really... > > > > > > > > >Many of the current viri/worms are coming as ZIPs. > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 5 20:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Mar 5 20:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free Message-ID: <31A21848-6F28-11D8-9C8B-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> This is just a reminder that there is one day left in the books for free, or nearly free. Instead of free or best offer, these books require a story. Write a short humorous story, rockhound related, story should be around 500 words, but not limited to that if you just can't do it in 500. Send the story to the list so everyone can enjoy it. The winner will be the story I like best (not public opinion, just my opinion). The two books are: "Australian Precious Opal" by Archie Kalokerinos, 51 pages, 1972, hard bound, lots of color photos, information on the different deposits, types of opal, etc., this was one of my father's books and has a stamp on the title page with his name and address (not his address now, if you know what I mean). The other book is "Gems in the Smithsonian" by Paul E. Desautels, 63 p., 1972, lots of color photos, information on the study of gems, cutting gems, gem lore and all that good stuff. Winner must also pay $3.00 postage. Now let's get it going. Only one person has sent a story so far, and one more is expected. There must be more people interested in these books who have a humorous story to share. Let's have some fun! Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 08:35:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sherry Pauley) Date: Sat Mar 6 08:35:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion References: <4049541E.48B7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I have plenty of web space and would be willing to post files or pictures for anyone interested. My Hotmail account has limited space so send to webmaster@opalvalley.com Please add 'Drizzle' to the subject line. Sherry > > Some list members have their own website, and many of those have made > space available in the past for temporary postings by other members. The > method is arranged by the host and poster offlist (send me your file and > I'll tell you where I put it). I include Aaron's generous offer to post > on his Drizzle website. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 08:45:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Sat Mar 6 08:45:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion References: <4049541E.48B7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009601c4039a$4c130ba0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> the same here have about 60 GB free webspace for anyone also see: http://www.strahlen.org/subdomain.htm cheers! frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Pauley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion > I have plenty of web space and would be willing to post files or pictures > for anyone interested. My Hotmail account has limited space so send to > webmaster@opalvalley.com Please add 'Drizzle' to the subject line. > > Sherry > > > > > > Some list members have their own website, and many of those have made > > space available in the past for temporary postings by other members. The > > method is arranged by the host and poster offlist (send me your file and > > I'll tell you where I put it). I include Aaron's generous offer to post > > on his Drizzle website. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 09:03:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 6 09:03:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Microsoft has started a website that allows you to post a photo with a gps/lat-long pair on this site. The photos are then searchable from a map. I don't know anything about it other than seeing the announcement. Hikers are interested but it seems like it might be usable by rockhounds too. http://wwmx.org/ Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Sherry Pauley > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:34 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion > > > I have plenty of web space and would be willing to post files or pictures > for anyone interested. My Hotmail account has limited space so send to > webmaster@opalvalley.com Please add 'Drizzle' to the subject line. > > Sherry > > > > > > Some list members have their own website, and many of those have made > > space available in the past for temporary postings by other members. The > > method is arranged by the host and poster offlist (send me your file and > > I'll tell you where I put it). I include Aaron's generous offer to post > > on his Drizzle website. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 10:10:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Mar 6 10:10:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306094933.01f6b730@mail.spiritone.com> Warning: The beta application crashes on my Win XP Pro PC. Your results may differ. Regardless, I don't think you can post maps, only photos. At 09:01 AM 3/6/2004, you wrote: >Microsoft has started a website that allows you to post a photo with a >gps/lat-long pair on this site. The photos are then searchable from a map. I >don't know anything about it other than seeing the announcement. Hikers are >interested but it seems like it might be usable by rockhounds too. > >http://wwmx.org/ > > >Bryan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 10:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 6 10:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306094933.01f6b730@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Yah, I think you can submit photos with coordinates and they map them for you. Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 13:09 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion > > > Warning: The beta application crashes on my Win XP Pro PC. Your > results may > differ. Regardless, I don't think you can post maps, only photos. > > At 09:01 AM 3/6/2004, you wrote: > >Microsoft has started a website that allows you to post a photo with a > >gps/lat-long pair on this site. The photos are then searchable > from a map. I > >don't know anything about it other than seeing the announcement. > Hikers are > >interested but it seems like it might be usable by rockhounds too. > > > >http://wwmx.org/ > > > > > >Bryan > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 12:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Mar 6 12:23:00 2004 Subject: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion (was: [Rockhounds] Books for free) References: <4049541E.48B7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <404A335F.4D5A26EB@att.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: In addition to all the generous offers for space, it is also possible to create a public Yahoo group just for posting photos, like "rock_photos." Then anyone can put their photos there. Since we already have a perfectly functional independent mailing list, it would be a shame to create a new one . . . especially since there are already several redundant on the same topic. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 13:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (catgbrown) Date: Sat Mar 6 13:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040306214547.M25174@unix2.sunserver.com> I've plotted a number of things up there. (See pictures of my sweetie and I collecting agates east of the badlands, near Kadoka, SD). Good people...I've a number of email conversations with the folks running it. GcB -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:01:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Re(OT): List Attachments Discussion > Microsoft has started a website that allows you to post a photo with > a gps/lat-long pair on this site. The photos are then searchable > from a map. I don't know anything about it other than seeing the > announcement. Hikers are interested but it seems like it might be > usable by rockhounds too. > > http://wwmx.org/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 13:49:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Sat Mar 6 13:49:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? Message-ID: <404A4801.6030507@plateautel.net> Hey I have emailed Bob a few times and haven't received a response. Can anyone tell me how to contact him via phone or maybe a different email address? I have Thanks in advance. Allison From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 14:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Sat Mar 6 14:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? In-Reply-To: <404A4801.6030507@plateautel.net> References: <404A4801.6030507@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <404A5721.2010305@earthlink.net> Wayne & Allison Holland wrote: > Hey I have emailed Bob a few times and haven't received a response. > Can anyone tell me how to contact him via phone or maybe a different > email address? I have Thanks in advance. > Allison He posted a message to the faceter's list just yesterday from his "bkeller@" address. Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 20:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Mar 6 20:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Never ending free books - Minerals of Brazil Message-ID: More books coming up. It looks like the list is not loaded with members with humorous stories related to rockhounding, list members can't write, almost nobody wants the two books, or it is spring and everyone is outside. Time is almost up for the two free books. They will go to the best story that is on my computer when I get mail from the list tomorrow morning. So, get those brain cells functioning and write something right now, it might win. Anything is better than what John Cornish wrote, a rock can write better than that.... (Just kidding, I haven't read John's stories yet, waiting to read all of them at once, and I'm sure there will be dozens by morning.) How about three more books for nearly free? These are the 1972 set of "Minerals of Brazil" That's three volumes, over 400 pages total. Mostly color photos of minerals of Brazil. These are not the big flashy pegmatite minerals we are most familiar with, but more run of the mill minerals, the kind we are likely to find if we poked around in that country. Nice books anyway. Hard bound, fake leather with gold letters. The cost of these are $4.00 shipping in the USA (whatever it takes elsewhere), and one sentence on why you want them and/or why you deserve them. Humor acceptable; sarcasm acceptable, as well as most any other inoffensive style. Let's go two days on this, all responses received by Monday night (that's actually on my computer Tuesday morning) will be considered. The books go to the person who writes the sentence I like best. One sentence, and one sentence only. Send responses to me (lanny@lrream.com); list members may not be interested in reading one line responses. Have fun, Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 22:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sat Mar 6 22:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free Message-ID: The most humorous story I can share would be better if I could show you the actual picture of our trip to the Ashwood Oregon area a couple of years ago. It was our first trip over and we wanted to be central to several areas and my frequently traveling hubby had points for a free hotel room at the Holiday Inn in Bend. We went to almost all of the Prineville Chamber of Commerce claims, Richardson's Rockhound Ranch and several of the sites listed in Gem Trails of Oregon. Picture 2 adults and 2 kids (preteens) in a Jeep (you know, the newer 4 door with the spare inside) with I don't know how many buckets of thundereggs, petrified wood, obsidian, agate, jasper, etc, etc. in the back. A full size cooler, small cooler for day trips, a shovel or two, a small BBQ, and one large rubbermaid storage bin bungeed down to the top of the Jeep. A couple of pillows, a blanket, video game, kids books, etc., assorted hand tools, 2 full size suit cases, assorted toiletries, assorted bags of groceries, snacks, etc. gloves, goggles, a couple of water jugs and spray bottles, books, maps, emergency road kit also in the back of the Jeep along with the 2 kids. I thought me may have to leave the kids behind! Then picture this Jeep going down the road, with it's back end almost dragging (really!) on the road, all the way back to Portland! If I can find the photo, I'll scan it and maybe someone can post if for me! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 6 23:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Mar 6 23:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free References: <31A21848-6F28-11D8-9C8B-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <002501c40403$fe51c040$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Lanny, I really want the Australian Opal book, and I have a few good stories, but I've just finished shoveling a foot of new snow out of the road so I don't have time to put together a humurous anectdote. I'm busy waiting for my back to heal up. Give me a minute to relate the "Think Like a Concretion" story or the "Prineville, OR - Just Lost the Oil Plug While Seeking Petrified Wood Tome." John Waiting For the Advil to Kick In and Is That 500 Words? Santa, Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free > This is just a reminder that there is one day left in the books for > free, or nearly free. Instead of free or best offer, these books > require a story. Write a short humorous story, rockhound related, story > should be around 500 words, but not limited to that if you just can't > do it in 500. Send the story to the list so everyone can enjoy it. The > winner will be the story I like best (not public opinion, just my > opinion). > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 01:52:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Sun Mar 7 01:52:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Never ending free books - Minerals of Brazil References: Message-ID: <003501c40429$b79c2390$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Here's my story.... I am sure everyone remembers their early collecting days and the pride of the first big find. My story is a little different. I had a roadcut in mind that I hoped would yield some agate. Several rainy days meant it would be boots, mud, slip and slide time but I was ready. When I got there, I climbed higher and higher focused on the elusive agate. Unfortunately, I did not think about what was behind me until I was about 40 feet high. What is the problem, you ask? Well, I have this thing about heights and it is not a good thing. I am okay in planes, tall buildings, etc. but don't put me on ladders and such. So, there I was, on a country road, hanging onto the side of a roadcut hoping a few small roots would not break in my hand and wondering how large of a grease spot I would make if they did. Going down was not an option so going up became a necessity. About an hour later I made it to the top and "enjoyed" a half mile walk through the underbrush to get back to my truck. All the way I was giving myself a first rate lecture on stupidity, safety, and better planning. It didn't help that I had nothing....absolutely nothing...in my bucket for my troubles. That was when I noticed my hammer was missing so I went back to the place where my climb began and found it at the bottom of the roadcut. By that time I was ready to go home, shower, put up everything and never pick up another rock for the rest of my life when I hit the ground. I went down face first and, of course, everything I was carrying went everywhere. As I gathered my things and started to leave, I turned to see what had caused me to trip. Sticking out of the dirt was an odd looking rock that turned out to be my best find to date. It is a base of chert covered by a layer of banded agate. On top of the agate is a beautiful layer of a strawberry red quartz points. It is a 5 pound beauty that really draws attention. Instead of saying I found it through gifted research, wise collecting practices and field safety I have to say I tripped over it. Keeps the old heart humble. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:57 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Never ending free books - Minerals of Brazil > More books coming up. > > It looks like the list is not loaded with members with humorous stories > related to rockhounding, list members can't write, almost nobody wants > the two books, or it is spring and everyone is outside......................... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 09:43:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Mar 7 09:43:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free In-Reply-To: <002501c40403$fe51c040$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <31A21848-6F28-11D8-9C8B-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <002501c40403$fe51c040$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: Hi John, You got hit harder by the snow than we did up here in Cd'A; now the snow is melting on its own. No need to shovel! Sorry about the timing, but I set a three day time limit and that ended last night. Regards, Lanny On Mar 6, 2004, at 9:20 PM, John Siebel wrote: > Lanny, > > I really want the Australian Opal book, and I have a few good stories, > but > I've just finished shoveling a foot of new snow out of the road so I > don't > have time to put together a humurous anectdote. I'm busy waiting for > my back > to heal up. Give me a minute to relate the "Think Like a Concretion" > story > or the "Prineville, OR - Just Lost the Oil Plug While Seeking > Petrified Wood > Tome." > > John > Waiting For the Advil to Kick In and Is That 500 Words? > Santa, Idaho > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lanny" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:39 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free > > >> This is just a reminder that there is one day left in the books for >> free, or nearly free. Instead of free or best offer, these books >> require a story. Write a short humorous story, rockhound related, >> story >> should be around 500 words, but not limited to that if you just can't >> do it in 500. Send the story to the list so everyone can enjoy it. The >> winner will be the story I like best (not public opinion, just my >> opinion). >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 11:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Mar 7 11:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free References: <31A21848-6F28-11D8-9C8B-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c40476$b41f03c0$8e4127c4@horstspc> Hi Lanny, Here is my effort. (Sorry for delay but extremely busy with Club Swap and Sell on Saturday, attend a 70th birthday party in evening and today(Sunday) was auctioneer at our OPEN DAY at African Gems and Minerals where I raised R2150 (which is much in USA terms but a heck of a lot for us) as funds in aid of our South African Lapidary Magazine Now and again, some humorous incidents occur on field trips or at meetings, sometimes being embarrassing for the "victims" but in the end worthy of a good laugh. Here follow a few that I wish to share with you:- For our second Gemboree, held in Springbok (Namaqualand, Western Cape) over the Easter weekend of 1969, a bus was hired to transport about 30 members of the Pretoria and Witwatersrand Gem and Mineral Clubs from Pretoria via Johannesburg to Sprngbok, a distance of 800 miles to get to Springbok non-stop in 24 hours on sometimes extremely corrugated gravel roads!!As can be imagined it was a rather exhausting Gemboree, leaving Pretoria on Thursday evening at 17:00 and arriving in Springbok 24 hours later, arriving halfway through the opening ceremony. Then attending the Federation meeting till 2 o'clock in the morning; getting up two hours later on the Saturday morning for the first rock hunt and only getting to bed at 01:30 on Sunday morning after a full day's activity. And then still visiting a mineral collector's home some 16 miles out of Springbok, to have a look at his Jan Cotes mine quartzes (up to two feet long) We departed from Springbok at 17:00 on the Sunday afternoon. I was sitting above the back wheels of the bus. A few hours out of Springbok, one of the back wheels punctured. It took us less than ten minutes to change the wheel - we formed a queue and every person was called upon to loosen/or tighten one wheel nut; it was like a conveyor belt operation! No sooner were we on the road again, than I drew the attention of the driver to a disconcerting noise under my seat. Upon closer inspection, once the bus had come to a stop (under protest), it transpired that the auxiliary leaf spring had been snapped off at the shackle. There was nothing we could do but carry on with this hammering noise coming from the rear wheel suspension. At about 22:00 that night, the gear lever broke off at about 4 inches above the floorboard! A vice-grip plier was brought into action, which then acted as a gear lever. Upon our arrival in Upington at about midnight, we tried to convince the gas station attendant to loan us a welding machine, in order to weld the gear lever back on again. He refused to help us, so one of our members scaled a 8 foot high fence and "acquired" a piece of water piping from a hardware stock yard. This was flattened at one end and was used as a gear lever for the rest of the journey! This souvenir is still buried somewhere in my garage! On our 1969 Federation Tour of Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe), we visited a Farmer Brown somewhere south of Salisbury (now called Harare). He had beautiful fist-size agates and we were allowed to take as many as we wanted. Christopher Gritten, youngest son of our Treasurer at that time, Stan Gritten, opened the back door of his dad's car, piling in the agates, fast and furious. However Stan felt that his car was already overloaded at that late stage of the 14-day tour, As fast as Christopher was piling in the agates, Stan was removing them through the opposite door. (Can't remember the eventual convesation between father and son). Some years ago, I attended a monthly meeting of the Zimbabwe Gem and Mineral Society whilst on vacation in that country. I was guest speaker for the evening and explaining how we organise our Club activities at the Pretoria Gem and Minertal Club (of which I was Chairman from 1967 to 2001 - except in 1976 due to study commitments). At a certain point, I pulled out my by now "famous" (or is it "infamous"?) police whistle to give a "live demonstration" of how I get the attention of members at the start of a field outing. I thus gave a hearty blow on my whistle. Many months later, I was informed that this action had an immediate effect on another meeting in an adjoining room. A local contract bridge club was holding a bridge evening and in their case, a blow on a whistle was a signal for groups to change their partners! They followed their procedure to a "T", albeit via a "false alarm". During the seventies we payed a visit to an old lead mine, west of Pretoria. This was an open cast pit and on the edge, within the quarry there was a large tree. This tree presented a challenge to Klaus, who climbed the tree and when he was near the top, he let out some sounds, imitating the cry of a baboon. Thereupon. the branch on which he was standing, gave way, and the whole tree came down in one big crash. Everything however happened in real "slow motion". Fortunately Klaus was not hurt physically, but possibly his pride was hurt? On many filed trips, overnight stops are part and parcel of the outing., Thus after a hard day's work in the field, a nice shower to wash off all the accumulated dirt and grime is a necessity, not a luxury. On the first weekend trip I ever participated in (late sixties), we were overnighting at a primitive camping site, just north of Louis Trichardt. Peter Kovacs, one of our junior members was under the shower when all of a sudden, the water supply failed. You can imagine the predicament he was in, his body being full of soap. During the 1970 Federation Tour of South West Africa (now Namibia) (18 cars, 60 persons, 21 days, 18 rockhunts), there was another "shower" incident. Whilst camping out in the wilds near the pyrophillite site on the northern side of the Brandberg, Ray Dely erected a typical bush shower for the ladies under a camel thorn tree. A bucket was slung from the tree, the surrounding shelter being made with a large canvas sheet. This prompted Gay Henniker-Heaton of the Cape Town Club to postulate how to construct a shower in the desert. Take a four gallon kerosene tin (they were still popular at that time), punch a few holes in the bottom by using a six inch nail, fill the tin with desert sand, liberally mixed with Yardley' s body powder, suspend from a tree and stand underneath this shower and "wash" yourself with this mixture! (It should be mentioned that Gay was a sales rep for Yardley's toiletry products!) About 30 miles east of Pretoria, we regularly go to a site to collect serpentine. It does not take a high polish but many years ago there was a commercial firm turning small lamp stands on a lathe and making bookends from this material. The first time Pat Murfin (who later also became our Vice-Chairman) came out on an outing, he was still a rookie. He drove a small Morris Minor which was fitted with a roof carrier. Four of us decided to dump a large piece of serpentine onto the roof carrier (whilst Pat was digging somewhere else on site). Was his surprise great when he wanted to leave for home? However, he took it in good spirit and drove home with this load. We never really found out what Amy (his wife) said when he returned home and how he managed to "off-load" this piece of serpentine! There are many more such incidents, which I am busy writing up at present Gem and mineral collecting is a great hobby, and it is these lighter moments which are remebered by many, long after the incidents have taken place and are often recounted at evening camp fires Horst... . Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free > This is just a reminder that there is one day left in the books for > free, or nearly free. Instead of free or best offer, these books > require a story. Write a short humorous story, rockhound related, story > should be around 500 words, but not limited to that if you just can't > do it in 500. Send the story to the list so everyone can enjoy it. The > winner will be the story I like best (not public opinion, just my > opinion). > > The two books are: "Australian Precious Opal" by Archie Kalokerinos, 51 > pages, 1972, hard bound, lots of color photos, information on the > different deposits, types of opal, etc., this was one of my father's > books and has a stamp on the title page with his name and address (not > his address now, if you know what I mean). The other book is "Gems in > the Smithsonian" by Paul E. Desautels, 63 p., 1972, lots of color > photos, information on the study of gems, cutting gems, gem lore and > all that good stuff. > > Winner must also pay $3.00 postage. > > Now let's get it going. Only one person has sent a story so far, and > one more is expected. There must be more people interested in these > books who have a humorous story to share. > > Let's have some fun! > > Lanny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 13:11:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Sun Mar 7 13:11:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? References: <404A4801.6030507@plateautel.net> <404A5721.2010305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <404B90B6.4010506@plateautel.net> Thanks for the information. What address would that be? I only have his "nospam1". Allison Dave Guin wrote: > Wayne & Allison Holland wrote: > >> Hey I have emailed Bob a few times and haven't received a response. >> Can anyone tell me how to contact him via phone or maybe a different >> email address? I have Thanks in advance. >> Allison > > > He posted a message to the faceter's list just yesterday from his > "bkeller@" address. > > Peace, > dave > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 13:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun Mar 7 13:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? In-Reply-To: <404B90B6.4010506@plateautel.net> Message-ID: Hi Alli! Maybe "bkeller@rockhounds.com"? Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Wayne & Allison Holland Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:15 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? Thanks for the information. What address would that be? I only have his "nospam1". Allison Dave Guin wrote: > Wayne & Allison Holland wrote: > >> Hey I have emailed Bob a few times and haven't received a response. >> Can anyone tell me how to contact him via phone or maybe a different >> email address? I have Thanks in advance. >> Allison > > > He posted a message to the faceter's list just yesterday from his > "bkeller@" address. > > Peace, > dave > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 16:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 7 16:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <000401c3fd91$2ce33980$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns out that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. Just copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like BD_D03. I got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it would be close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on 2 DVDs this way, all of it on 3 DVDs The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them however, far south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it generally works OK. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 16:12:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave Guin) Date: Sun Mar 7 16:12:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404BBA44.1090402@earthlink.net> Bob Loeffler wrote: >Hi Alli! > >Maybe "bkeller@rockhounds.com"? > > Sorry. Yes, " @ rockhounds.com " Peace, dave From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 16:36:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Mar 7 16:36:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DC00282-7098-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Thanks for the tip. That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. Lanny On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > out > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > Just > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > BD_D03. I > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > would be > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > 2 DVDs > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > however, far > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > generally > works OK. > > Bryan > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > posterity, > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, > for the > sake of the latter." > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 16:49:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 7 16:49:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <9DC00282-7098-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Its looks like it will be very handy when you are wandering around the backcountry. It certainly would have been very welcome when we were scratching our heads in Grantsville, NV last year. Bryan > Thanks for the tip. > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the > application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn > that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy > a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes > in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > Lanny > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > > out > > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > > Just > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > BD_D03. I > > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > > would be > > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > > 2 DVDs > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > however, far > > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > > generally > > works OK. > > > > Bryan > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > > posterity, > > and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, > > for the > > sake of the latter." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > ****************************************** > Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index > Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News > www. LRReam.com > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 17:15:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:15:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <1da.1bd1e615.2d7d2348@aol.com> You should try to pick up a DeLorme Atlas & Gazatteer for each state - won't have quite the defining topography, but it has a great more detail in back roads and such then any other maps and you can get one for any state now. Then you also have places on the pages to write notes, make "x" to mark locations etc. I have them for each state that we frequent and don't leave home without the one that applies to a trip. Docia Its looks like it will be very handy when you are wandering around the backcountry. It certainly would have been very welcome when we were scratching our heads in Grantsville, NV last year. Bryan > Thanks for the tip. > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the > application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn > that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy > a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes > in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > Lanny > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > > out > > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > > Just > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > BD_D03. I > > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > > would be > > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > > 2 DVDs > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > however, far > > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > > generally > > works OK. > > > > Bryan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 17:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <9DC00282-7098-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <200403080115.i281Fxb7088498@mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net> Or I bet you could put them on an Ipod. My son keeps an entire image of the computers he supports on his Ipod plus a couple of thousand songs and his digital pictures that he takes ---less than the size of a pack of cigarettes. When he has to restore a computer or re-image it he just plugs it in and downloads it and voila. Very, very kewl. They hold something like 40 gig. And have an incredibly easy to use interface. Apple really has got a winner in these little gadgets. CD's will soon be a thing of the past--and probably DVD's also. So you take all your gis data--including all of mas-mils, your favorite music, and whatever else you want and stick it in your top pocket. You can also use it as a digital tape recorder to make voice notes about what you are doing. You can also play it through your car stereo so can leave all your cds home. Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:36 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > > Thanks for the tip. > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in > the application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you > couldn't burn that folder with several states to one DVD. > However, my plan is to buy a new portable with a bigger > harddrive than the old one that now goes in the field with me > and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > Lanny > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and > it turns > > out that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one > > DVD. > > Just > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > BD_D03. I got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to > squeeze 7 on > > but it would be close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could > put most of > > the country on > > 2 DVDs > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > however, far south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM > for example. > > But it generally works OK. > > > > Bryan > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > > posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from > > the former, for the sake of the latter." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > ****************************************** > Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing > Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral > Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues > of Mineral News www. LRReam.com > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 17:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Wayne & Allison Holland) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? References: Message-ID: <404BCC90.6040003@plateautel.net> Thanks a lot Bob and Dave! Ali Bob Loeffler wrote: >Hi Alli! > >Maybe "bkeller@rockhounds.com"? > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Wayne & Allison >Holland >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:15 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bob Keller? > > >Thanks for the information. What address would that be? I only have his >"nospam1". >Allison > >Dave Guin wrote: > > > >>Wayne & Allison Holland wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey I have emailed Bob a few times and haven't received a response. >>>Can anyone tell me how to contact him via phone or maybe a different >>>email address? I have Thanks in advance. >>>Allison >>> >>> >>He posted a message to the faceter's list just yesterday from his >>"bkeller@" address. >> >>Peace, >>dave >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 17:34:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (catgbrown) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:34:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <200403080115.i281Fxb7088498@mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net> References: <9DC00282-7098-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <200403080115.i281Fxb7088498@mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20040308013030.M58872@unix2.sunserver.com> Or, on the "cheap", more or less, get one of those USB drives that kind of looks like a butane lighter. I picked up a 128MB drive at Best Buy for around $30 after rebate. You can get 'em up to 1GB (for an appropriately larger chunk of change.) You could put a goodly chunk of maps on that, plus any appropriate files from my MasMils/PLUS set (Plug! Plug!) and be happy as a clam. I think I still like DeLorme's TOPO USA series better than the National Geographic series. DeLorme's interface is a LOT better, and the search options are nicer. It just seems to be a "cleaner" product. Regards, Gary http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location CD-ROM -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: Sent: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:21:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > Or I bet you could put them on an Ipod. .... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 17:35:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:35:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <1da.1bd1e615.2d7d2348@aol.com> Message-ID: These topos seem to show all the roads and tracks, Delorme's books might be better. I've used the Delorme for Florida. You can append notes right to these maps however. You can print them out and send them to handhelds too. I'm looking forward to adding the MASMILS data to them but they already show a lot of mines and such. These maps do lose resulution when you get down to max magnification tho. The Delorme topo software might be better since it uses vector graphics. As for sending them to an iPod, that is rather pricey storage, a 4.3 GB DVD goes for 80 cents or so now or 18 cents a GB, the iPod cost something like 10 bucks a GB. There are cheaper versions like the Dell which costs about half as much but they are expensive still. Computer HDD prices are down around 50 cents a GB or less. Bryan > > You should try to pick up a DeLorme Atlas & Gazatteer for each > state - won't > have quite the defining topography, but it has a great more > detail in back > roads and such then any other maps and you can get one for any > state now. Then > you also have places on the pages to write notes, make "x" to > mark locations > etc. I have them for each state that we frequent and don't > leave home without > the one that applies to a trip. > > Docia > Its looks like it will be very handy when you are wandering around the > backcountry. It certainly would have been very welcome when we were > scratching our heads in Grantsville, NV last year. > > Bryan > > > Thanks for the tip. > > > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the > > application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn > > that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy > > a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes > > in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > > > Lanny > > > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > > > out > > > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > > > Just > > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > > BD_D03. I > > > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > > > would be > > > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > > > 2 DVDs > > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > > however, far > > > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > > > generally > > > works OK. > > > > > > Bryan > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 17:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <20040308013030.M58872@unix2.sunserver.com> Message-ID: Gary, I sent you an email on your website about buying a MASMILS disk but haven't heard from you, do you prefer to just sell them on Ebay? I'd have to try to resurect my Paypal account. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of catgbrown > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 20:35 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > > > Or, on the "cheap", more or less, get one of those USB drives > that kind of > looks like a butane lighter. I picked up a 128MB drive at Best Buy for > around $30 after rebate. You can get 'em up to 1GB (for an appropriately > larger chunk of change.) You could put a goodly chunk of maps on > that, plus > any appropriate files from my MasMils/PLUS set (Plug! Plug!) and > be happy as > a clam. > > I think I still like DeLorme's TOPO USA series better than the National > Geographic series. DeLorme's interface is a LOT better, and the search > options are nicer. It just seems to be a "cleaner" product. > > Regards, > Gary > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location CD-ROM > > -- > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > To: > Sent: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:21:43 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > > > Or I bet you could put them on an Ipod. .... > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 18:05:05 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 7 18:05:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <20040308013030.M58872@unix2.sunserver.com> Message-ID: Actually not so cheap, I see a 2 GB pen drive for around $550 which is $275/GB and less than half the size of a $0.80 DVD. You'd only be able to get 3 CDs on one of those pen drives. I suspect the DeLorme may be better but the last time a priced one it was over a $100, I see its down around $80 on Amazon now. This TOPO buy was an impulse buy in Sams for $35. My impulses fizzle out much above that. Bryan > > Or, on the "cheap", more or less, get one of those USB drives > that kind of > looks like a butane lighter. I picked up a 128MB drive at Best Buy for > around $30 after rebate. You can get 'em up to 1GB (for an appropriately > larger chunk of change.) You could put a goodly chunk of maps on > that, plus > any appropriate files from my MasMils/PLUS set (Plug! Plug!) and > be happy as > a clam. > > I think I still like DeLorme's TOPO USA series better than the National > Geographic series. DeLorme's interface is a LOT better, and the search > options are nicer. It just seems to be a "cleaner" product. > > Regards, > Gary > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location CD-ROM > > -- > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > To: > Sent: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:21:43 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > > > Or I bet you could put them on an Ipod. .... > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 18:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 7 18:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <3c.3bfd6196.2d7d2f96@aol.com> Heck, I have a hard enough time trying to read the maps - I sure don't want to have something hand held to look at and try to use that to decipher which road to take. These topos seem to show all the roads and tracks, Delorme's books might be better. I've used the Delorme for Florida. You can append notes right to these maps however. You can print them out and send them to handhelds too. I'm looking forward to adding the MASMILS data to them but they already show a lot of mines and such. These maps do lose resulution when you get down to max magnification tho. The Delorme topo software might be better since it uses vector graphics. As for sending them to an iPod, that is rather pricey storage, a 4.3 GB DVD goes for 80 cents or so now or 18 cents a GB, the iPod cost something like 10 bucks a GB. There are cheaper versions like the Dell which costs about half as much but they are expensive still. Computer HDD prices are down around 50 cents a GB or less. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 19:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Mar 7 19:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free - and the winner is... Message-ID: <22A014C7-70AF-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Greetings everyone, After careful consideration, I've decided that I must be crazy. This seemed like it would just be fun, but oh no, it requires a decision. Even though only four people had the time and interest in writing a short humorous story for the chance to win two books, it wasn't easy picking a winner. The winner is Horst Windisch. I enjoyed everyones story, and can picture Dave West covered in mud and feel his uneasiness at the top of the slope trying to figure out how to get down (done it myself and I'm not at all afraid of heights). Would like to see the specimen that was his "downfall." Dawn's story is one that just begs for that photo to be shared. Makes me wonder about the repair bill for the Jeep's springs... The stories of John Cornish also reached me personally, because similar things have happened to me, although not quite on as grand of a scale (Never a five foot plate of crystals in my hands!). The ending of the second story put a big smile on my face and an empty feeling in the pit of my stomach, knowing that feeling of a great loss when you know you have something great, then it suddenly isn't. In the end, after reading them all, and leaning towards one particular story, but not really sure which one, I realized that Horst's series of short stories kept me smiling through the entire bunch. Thanks all. I'll be in contact with Horst about shipping his books. Don't forget the offer of yesterday. For the three volume set of "Minerals of Brazil," all 400+ pages. Just send one sentence as to why you want them and/or why you deserve them (selfishness is acceptable for this). Send to: lanny@lrream.com. The deadline is Monday night (actually Tuesday morning when I get my email). Up and coming is "The Mineral Kingdom" by Paul E. Desautels. Not sure how to select who gets this one... any ideas... ? Best Wishes to all, Lanny ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 19:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (catgbrown) Date: Sun Mar 7 19:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: <20040308013030.M58872@unix2.sunserver.com> Message-ID: <20040308033012.M95774@unix2.sunserver.com> Ooops... been travelling a lot and may have missed it. I'll respond off list. But... it's $15 PPD (check/mo/cash/gold pressed latinum) -or- take your chances on eBay. GcB -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "J Bryan Kramer" <> To: Sent: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:46:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > Gary, > > I sent you an email on your website about buying a MASMILS disk but > haven't heard from you, ..... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 20:20:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Mar 7 20:20:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: <1da.1bd1e615.2d7d2348@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307201756.01f817c0@mail.spiritone.com> Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. IMHO. At 05:34 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote: >These topos seem to show all the roads and tracks, Delorme's books might be >better. I've used the Delorme for Florida. You can append notes right to >these maps however. You can print them out and send them to handhelds too. >I'm looking forward to adding the MASMILS data to them but they already show >a lot of mines and such. These maps do lose resulution when you get down to >max magnification tho. The Delorme topo software might be better since it >uses vector graphics. > >As for sending them to an iPod, that is rather pricey storage, a 4.3 GB DVD >goes for 80 cents or so now or 18 cents a GB, the iPod cost something like >10 bucks a GB. There are cheaper versions like the Dell which costs about >half as much but they are expensive still. Computer HDD prices are down >around 50 cents a GB or less. > >Bryan > > > > > You should try to pick up a DeLorme Atlas & Gazatteer for each > > state - won't > > have quite the defining topography, but it has a great more > > detail in back > > roads and such then any other maps and you can get one for any > > state now. Then > > you also have places on the pages to write notes, make "x" to > > mark locations > > etc. I have them for each state that we frequent and don't > > leave home without > > the one that applies to a trip. > > > > Docia > > Its looks like it will be very handy when you are wandering around the > > backcountry. It certainly would have been very welcome when we were > > scratching our heads in Grantsville, NV last year. > > > > Bryan > > > > > Thanks for the tip. > > > > > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the > > > application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn > > > that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy > > > a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes > > > in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > > > > out > > > > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > > > > Just > > > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > > > BD_D03. I > > > > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > > > > would be > > > > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > > > > 2 DVDs > > > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > > > however, far > > > > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > > > > generally > > > > works OK. > > > > > > > > Bryan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 20:36:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 7 20:36:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for nearly free References: Message-ID: <404BF811.540B@Tomaszewski.net> Too many years ago now a couple rockhound pals and I decided to take a "guy's vacation" and do some collecting and gold panning in the Sudbury District of Canada. Being in Michigan for our start gave us a timing advantage and we were able to stop at the appropriate government office on our way into Canada and obtain Prospecting Licenses so we could legally collect gold. We also picked up a set of topo maps that included plotting of all current claims and marking of all available land we could prospect. The map also included all known mines, working and abandoned, in our target area. We ended up near Iron Bridge, Ontario, and obtained lodging at a small inn. The next several days were very similar. Up at sunrise, breakfast, and pile in the van and drive to the first of that day's hopeful locations. We panned and sluced sand for a few hours, and then would go to a likely location for minerals (often abandoned mines to hit their dumps). The back of the van slowly filled with specimens, but no gold. And end up back at our inn each evening to replentish the liquid we had lost during the day, discuss the day, and plan for the next. Our fifth morning started out in a similar manner and we had soon parked our van at the washed out two track about half way into a mine we wanted to visit. It was only two more miles by the map. We could walk that. So we piled out with out gear, and started hiking in. The road wasn't too back a hike as it twisted thru the forest hugging the sides of hills and rocky outcrops. When we were almost to the mine we came to a downhill stretch that appeared to be a dead end into forest as the ridge we were hugging was ending and dropping down. The map claimed a hairpin right into the ridge and a couple hundred yards to the mine. So we hiked on, took the sharp turn around the rock/hill on our right, and we were face to face with five large light brown colored bears coming up the road from the other direction. All movement stopped. My buddy at my left said quietly we should look disinterested, snif them one or twice, and slowly back around the corner -- and run like heck once they are out of sight to halfway up the straight stretch. We sniffed. The bears sniffed back, and made noises at each other. We started backing out. The bears started walking the last 10 feet in our direction. And we were a hundred yards up the road before they reappeared from around the corner, left the road, and ambled down the ridge at the corner to the valley below. We watched them climb all the way down before we tried the corner again. We never did find any gold. But after a couple more days we had a van full of assorted stuff, with a LOT of pyrite, chalcopyrite, hematite, bornite, and other 'rich' looking minerals. We even had a bucket of pyrite sand we found at one location. We also had a week's growth on our faces, and enough dirt on all the clothes we brought to account for a couple weeks outdoors. We should have expected problems at the border when we tried to reenter Michigan. We hit customs, and after one look at us, and the van, the agent started asking questions. Five minutes later we were parked at their building, and still answering questions. From what they were aking about it was obvious they thought we either had drugs or gold hidden in the van. We spent four hours at customs. They unloaded, inspected, and reloaded our van full of rocks. They practically took the van apart. Then they thanked us for our patient cooperation, and sent us on our way. And I'm still laughing at the customs agent who argued our pyrite sand had to be gold, because gold crystalized in the cubic form, and the pyrite sand reacted to acid. Kreigh P.S., Should this place and get a choice, I am more interested in the Opal book (and will gladly pay postage). Lanny wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Twice I've offered books for "free" on this list (one book about a > month and a half ago and three yesterday). My intention was primarily > to get them into the hands of someone who can use them instead of > having hem sit unsued, but expecting that several people might be > interested, the offer has been for "free or best offer." This is > working well, I'm putting the little bit of money I'm getting towards > new mineral cabinets and list members have good books at a very low > price. > > Because I'm sure my messages are bothering those who don't like > commercial messages (I consider these non-commercial, they are a public > service to get books in the hands of those who can appreciate them... > :-)> ), and I have a few more to get rid of right now, I must list > some more. I'm making another offer for two more books. > > This time again almost totally free, pay postage ($3.00) plus write a > short story. That's right, no cash, just words. The story must meet the > following restrictions: > 1) the story must be rockhound related > 2) the story must be true > 3) the story must be humorous > > Write a story of about 500 words. That's about twice the length of this > overly wordy message of mine. I'll consider stories until Saturday > night (March 6); that's 3 days, which may be kind of short for some > people, but let's not drag this out. Reply to this message to send your > story to the list so everyone can enjoy the fun. The books will go to > the person who writes the story that I like best, not public opinion, > just my opinion. If you are interested in only one of the books, so > state the fact, and the author of my second choice will get the other > book (unless that person wants the same book, then you will have to > duel for them with rock picks... maybe not, guess it'll go the next > person in line). Beats spending money. Well, maybe not. What's a little > public humiliation. We're all friendly. > > The two books are: "Australian Precious Opal" by Archie Kalokerinos, 51 > pages, 1972, hard bound, lots of color photos, information on the > different deposits, types of opal, etc., this was one of my father's > books and has a stamp on the title page with his name and address (not > his address now, if you know what I mean). The other book is "Gems in > the Smithsonian" by Paul E. Desautels, 63 p., 1972, lots of color > photos, information on the study of gems, cutting gems, gem lore and > all that good stuff. > > That's it. If this works; I might offer Paul Desautels' "Mineral > Kingdom" the same way, or maybe not, I might be lynched by then... > > Regards, > > Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 23:25:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Mar 7 23:25:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403080724.i287O1be015604@mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net> Its true about the price, but the iPod is one elegant machine. Probably the best piece of design work of this century. And it plays music, holds your pictures, and lets you record your thoughts. The imitators are not there yet. I would be surprised if once you bought one, it would not be long before you wondered why you waited so long. Kind of like a GPS unit. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 7 23:55:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Sun Mar 7 23:55:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Portugese locations on strahlen.org Message-ID: <005001c404e2$9a82cd40$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all ! Luc Waumans and I were a week in Portugal. We visited the following mines/quarries: -Mina de Lousal, Sines (Fe-sulfates, Pyrit) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/lousal/ -Serra do Rossalgar mina, Cercal (Pyrolusit !, Goethit, Hausmannit (?) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/rossalgar/ -Serra de Mina/Mina de Cercal, Cercal (Goethit !) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/serramina/ -Neves-Corvo Cu-mine http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/nevescorvo/ -Mines in the Aljustrel-region (Fe-sulfates, Pyrit) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/aljustrel/ -Miguel Vacas (Libethenit !, Pseudomalachit, Wavellit ! etc) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/vacas/ -marble quarries (a la Carrara) at Vila Vicosa http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/vicosa/ -Folgosinho mine/quarry http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/folgo/ -Wolfram mines in the Cabril-region http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/cabril/ -Sb-Au Montalto mine in the Covelo-Gondomar-region http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/covelo/ -the worldfamous Panasqueira mines http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/panasqueira/ and last but not least -the Tragos U-mine http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/tragos/ Have fun ;-) If you have pictures/info to add for those localities, please mailme ! Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ ps: the first mail did not seem to reach the rockhounds list... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 00:44:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Mon Mar 8 00:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free - and the winner is... References: <22A014C7-70AF-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <005101c404e9$41d0a3a0$6500a8c0@westp1nnb5h9zg> Thanks for the chance to share the story, Lanny, and for "collecting" the other stories. Each one has a lesson well worth learning. I fully agree with your decision to select Horst. Overall, as I read the stories submitted I began to think the collected stories could pass for a movie script on the order of "The Gods Must be Crazy" or something like that :-) DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free - and the winner is... > Greetings everyone, > > After careful consideration, I've decided that I must be crazy. This > seemed like it would just be fun, but oh no, it requires a decision. > Even though only four people had the time and interest in writing a > short humorous story for the chance to win two books, it wasn't easy > picking a winner. > > The winner is Horst Windisch..................................... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 06:15:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 06:15:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. IMHO. At 05:34 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote: >These topos seem to show all the roads and tracks, Delorme's books might be >better. I've used the Delorme for Florida. You can append notes right to >these maps however. You can print them out and send them to handhelds too. >I'm looking forward to adding the MASMILS data to them but they already show >a lot of mines and such. These maps do lose resulution when you get down to >max magnification tho. The Delorme topo software might be better since it >uses vector graphics. > >As for sending them to an iPod, that is rather pricey storage, a 4.3 GB DVD >goes for 80 cents or so now or 18 cents a GB, the iPod cost something like >10 bucks a GB. There are cheaper versions like the Dell which costs about >half as much but they are expensive still. Computer HDD prices are down >around 50 cents a GB or less. > >Bryan > > > > > You should try to pick up a DeLorme Atlas & Gazatteer for each > > state - won't > > have quite the defining topography, but it has a great more > > detail in back > > roads and such then any other maps and you can get one for any > > state now. Then > > you also have places on the pages to write notes, make "x" to > > mark locations > > etc. I have them for each state that we frequent and don't > > leave home without > > the one that applies to a trip. > > > > Docia > > Its looks like it will be very handy when you are wandering around the > > backcountry. It certainly would have been very welcome when we were > > scratching our heads in Grantsville, NV last year. > > > > Bryan > > > > > Thanks for the tip. > > > > > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the > > > application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn > > > that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy > > > a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes > > > in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > > > > out > > > > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > > > > Just > > > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > > > BD_D03. I > > > > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > > > > would be > > > > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > > > > 2 DVDs > > > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > > > however, far > > > > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > > > > generally > > > > works OK. > > > > > > > > Bryan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 07:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 8 07:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> References: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040308065835.01f98f48@mail.spiritone.com> Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies within the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am missing your point... At 06:14 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme >gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >IMHO. > >At 05:34 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote: > >These topos seem to show all the roads and tracks, Delorme's books might be > >better. I've used the Delorme for Florida. You can append notes right to > >these maps however. You can print them out and send them to handhelds too. > >I'm looking forward to adding the MASMILS data to them but they already show > >a lot of mines and such. These maps do lose resulution when you get down to > >max magnification tho. The Delorme topo software might be better since it > >uses vector graphics. > > > >As for sending them to an iPod, that is rather pricey storage, a 4.3 GB DVD > >goes for 80 cents or so now or 18 cents a GB, the iPod cost something like > >10 bucks a GB. There are cheaper versions like the Dell which costs about > >half as much but they are expensive still. Computer HDD prices are down > >around 50 cents a GB or less. > > > >Bryan > > > > > > > > You should try to pick up a DeLorme Atlas & Gazatteer for each > > > state - won't > > > have quite the defining topography, but it has a great more > > > detail in back > > > roads and such then any other maps and you can get one for any > > > state now. Then > > > you also have places on the pages to write notes, make "x" to > > > mark locations > > > etc. I have them for each state that we frequent and don't > > > leave home without > > > the one that applies to a trip. > > > > > > Docia > > > Its looks like it will be very handy when you are wandering around the > > > backcountry. It certainly would have been very welcome when we were > > > scratching our heads in Grantsville, NV last year. > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip. > > > > > > > > That does make sense, you can copy them all to a folder in the > > > > application folder on your harddrive, so no reason you couldn't burn > > > > that folder with several states to one DVD. However, my plan is to buy > > > > a new portable with a bigger harddrive than the old one that now goes > > > > in the field with me and just have them on the portable's harddrive. > > > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > > > OK I've done some experimentation with the TOPO CD-ROMS and it turns > > > > > out > > > > > that you can burn them to a DVD, I got 6 of the CD-ROMS on one DVD. > > > > > Just > > > > > copy the whole folder from the CD-ROM it will be something like > > > > > BD_D03. I > > > > > got 6 CDs on one DVD and you might be able to squeeze 7 on but it > > > > > would be > > > > > close. A DVD holds about 4.3 GB. You could put most of the country on > > > > > 2 DVDs > > > > > this way, all of it on 3 DVDs > > > > > > > > > > The map boundaries are not exactly where you would expect them > > > > > however, far > > > > > south Missouri is not on the Missouri CD-ROM for example. But it > > > > > generally > > > > > works OK. > > > > > > > > > > Bryan Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 07:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 07:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <030820041513.18654.24b5@att.net> > Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't > even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies within > the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am missing > your point... Sometimes writers publish the lat/long coordinates of a find in articles. This is why I encourage people to obtain a GPS and use it when field collecting. Someone may find a locality not on a map, and mark it with GPS. A decent GPS is about $150, and if someone cannot afford that, perhaps a club can buy one or several people can pool together and share it. As one of my dealer friends says, "I don't care about localities and spellings and counties and regions and countries, just give me a set of coordinates." Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 07:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 07:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: It makes a good reference point - the email I was responding too says and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. IMHO.- so having a map that has GPS coordinates on it should be a good tool to have, imho And also, your gps may get you there and out again, but if you have the printed page from the Gazatteer available then you also have something to look at to see perhaps what other roads may cross the same stream or hillside that you have been collecting at - gives you more options for more locations. Sometimes it just takes more than one source to allow you to figure something out. My husband and I have often gone to a site that we were told about and find that it is pretty picked over. By having the map there we can find which way perhaps a ridge or creek runs and it gives us options. The GPS if you are given a coordinate might get you to that point, but what about the many other possibilities in the area - if the GPS isn't programmed for them it won't get you there. The Gazatterr is just a great in the field tool. Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies within the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am missing your point... At 06:14 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme >gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >IMHO. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 07:41:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 8 07:41:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040308073548.01fb0778@mail.spiritone.com> Oh I see. My point was that without the GPS you have no idea where you are on that sheet of archaic paper :) And my other point was that >50% of the features out here are NOT on the DeLorme...that's what the 7.5' topos are necessary if you are off the beaten path...not having a topo along is kind of like trying to use Street Atlas to get to a site on BLM land (not that I would even attempt that lol). In the real world, my DeLorme stays in the truck; it's the topos and my GPS that come with me in my backpack...again imagine being out in the desert with a DeLorme and a GPS...oh look I've moved a millimeter left in this empty white space...now what good did that do you? At 07:15 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >It makes a good reference point - the email I was responding too says and >YOUR GPS gets you THERE. IMHO.- so having a map that has GPS coordinates >on it >should be a good tool to have, imho > >And also, your gps may get you there and out again, but if you have the >printed page from the Gazatteer available then you also have something to >look at >to see perhaps what other roads may cross the same stream or hillside that >you >have been collecting at - gives you more options for more locations. >Sometimes it just takes more than one source to allow you to figure >something out. >My husband and I have often gone to a site that we were told about and find >that it is pretty picked over. By having the map there we can find which way >perhaps a ridge or creek runs and it gives us options. The GPS if you >are given >a coordinate might get you to that point, but what about the many other >possibilities in the area - if the GPS isn't programmed for them it won't >get you >there. The Gazatterr is just a great in the field tool. > > > > > >Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't >even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies within >the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am missing >your point... > >At 06:14 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: > >Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? > >Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme > >gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. > >IMHO. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 07:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 07:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <030820041546.20709.1745@att.net> Tim, That is also true. A 7.5' topo is more useful when out in the wild. I find it interesting the DeLorme TopoUSA has sells add-on USGS topo packages to their software--which begs the question, why did I buy the software in the first place? Still, for about $100.00, I find TopoUSA to be quite useful, though I wish it came with the 7.5' overlays in the first place. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 07:47:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 07:47:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <030820041546.20742.1ad2@att.net> Tim, That is also true. A 7.5' topo is more useful when out in the wild. I find it interesting the DeLorme TopoUSA has sells add-on USGS topo packages to their software--which begs the question, why did I buy the software in the first place? Still, for about $100.00, I find TopoUSA to be quite useful, though I wish it came with the 7.5' overlays in the first place. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 08:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 8 08:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <030820041546.20709.1745@att.net> References: <030820041546.20709.1745@att.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040308084704.01f97388@mail.spiritone.com> Don, when you get serious about topos, as I know you will, try All Topo Maps, www.igage.com This program is indispensable not only for my rockhounding but for my work as well. Without it I would have taken a couple YEARS to locate and map all of the 13,000 fish habitat projects I found for Bonneville Power in my real job. Coverage of the Columbia River basin (5 states) cost me about $500 but it was money well spent (heck they paid for the software anyhow lol). This is the only program I found that was flexible enough to both map at any USGS scale and plot GPS waypoints, tracks, and GIS shape files on any topo, not to mention the custom topo seaming it does. Some crazies even use it for real-time GPS plotting. It does a killer job at plotting mining claims too; see the example map on my site at http://orerockon.com/Custom%20Maps.htm (Warning: huge image!). I know of no other program where I can type "plot the NW 1/4 of the SE 1/4 of the SW 1/4 of Sec 6 T 4 N R 3 E PM Willamette" and it draws a neat little box for me :) Plus it draws that cool hillshading lol. At 07:46 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >Tim, > >That is also true. A 7.5' topo is more useful when out in the wild. I >find it interesting the DeLorme TopoUSA has sells add-on USGS topo >packages to their software--which begs the question, why did I buy the >software in the first place? Still, for about $100.00, I find TopoUSA to >be quite useful, though I wish it came with the 7.5' overlays in the first >place. > >Don Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 09:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Mar 8 09:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excellent points. A GPS is a wonderful tool, but in most cases, if I had my choice between using a topo map or a GPS, I would go for the topo map for the reasons you give below. I know I was finding locations of all kinds (geologic and mineral collecting) a long time before GPS was invented. It still feels much more fulfilling, and easier to have a topo map and thus know the topography and layout of roads and trails, then just know that I can get to within about 30 feet of an "X" by following a GPS display. I find GPS has three best uses (the way I do it, your use may be different): 1) mark a spot so that it can be documented without confusion (after all, what if the rancher with the three legged dog moves?), 2) figure out where you are or where that "X" is when there are too many similar roads in an area or roads that aren't on a map, 3) plot a spot on a map from known coordinates so that I can use the map to get there. When conditions are very iffy, something like GPSy or National Geographic's TOPO with the topo maps displayed on a portable computer with the GPS unit connected providing a live display of "your are right here on the map" can't be beat. Like Tim wrote, all those empty spaces on Street Atlas, just aren't of much use. GPS is a wonderful system, glad we've got it to use in conjunction with our maps! Regards, Lanny On Mar 8, 2004, at 7:15 AM, Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > It makes a good reference point - the email I was responding too says > and > YOUR GPS gets you THERE. IMHO.- so having a map that has GPS > coordinates on it > should be a good tool to have, imho > > And also, your gps may get you there and out again, but if you have the > printed page from the Gazatteer available then you also have something > to look at > to see perhaps what other roads may cross the same stream or hillside > that you > have been collecting at - gives you more options for more locations. > Sometimes it just takes more than one source to allow you to figure > something out. > My husband and I have often gone to a site that we were told about and > find > that it is pretty picked over. By having the map there we can find > which way > perhaps a ridge or creek runs and it gives us options. The GPS if > you are given > a coordinate might get you to that point, but what about the many other > possibilities in the area - if the GPS isn't programmed for them it > won't get you > there. The Gazatterr is just a great in the field tool. > > > > > > Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't > even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies > within > the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am > missing > your point... > > At 06:14 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >> Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >> Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, >> DeLorme >> gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >> IMHO. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 10:34:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Mon Mar 8 10:34:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer Special - Imperial Topaz Message-ID: <000501c4053b$de73d900$6400a8c0@M1Garand> Genuine imperial topaz mine run pieces and crystals from Brazil at a ridiculously low price - $46 per pound (one pound minimum). That's just 10 cents per gram! The material contains some facet grade, some specimen grade, some terminated, some good for quality cabochons. Most is orange to reddish, with a few pieces of pink. Priority One shipping within USA, $6.50 regardless of quantity - several pounds available. If not satisfactory all may be returned (no highgrading) within 15 days for full refund less actual shipping charges and credit card fees (if any). Picture of a handful of pieces at http://www.manyfacets.com/imptopaz.jpg (50 Kbytes). NYS purchasers, please include sales tax form OR 8.25% of total of merchandise + shipping. -dan- __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 10:43:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 10:43:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: <030820041842.5703.615@att.net> Serious? I have little claim boundaries drawn on the 7.5s. Thanks for the tip. If all goes well I should be at U. Idaho - Moscow in 2006. Maybe then we can meet and greet and do some real collecting in person! Don > Don, when you get serious about topos, as I know you will, try All Topo > Maps, www.igage.com > This program is indispensable not only for my rockhounding but for my work > as well. Without it I would have taken a couple YEARS to locate and map all > of the 13,000 fish habitat projects I found for Bonneville Power in my real > job. Coverage of the Columbia River basin (5 states) cost me about $500 but > it was money well spent (heck they paid for the software anyhow lol). This > is the only program I found that was flexible enough to both map at any > USGS scale and plot GPS waypoints, tracks, and GIS shape files on any topo, > not to mention the custom topo seaming it does. Some crazies even use it > for real-time GPS plotting. It does a killer job at plotting mining claims > too; see the example map on my site at > http://orerockon.com/Custom%20Maps.htm (Warning: huge image!). I know of no > other program where I can type "plot the NW 1/4 of the SE 1/4 of the SW 1/4 > of Sec 6 T 4 N R 3 E PM Willamette" and it draws a neat little box for me > :) Plus it draws that cool hillshading lol. > > At 07:46 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: > > >Tim, > > > >That is also true. A 7.5' topo is more useful when out in the wild. I > >find it interesting the DeLorme TopoUSA has sells add-on USGS topo > >packages to their software--which begs the question, why did I buy the > >software in the first place? Still, for about $100.00, I find TopoUSA to > >be quite useful, though I wish it came with the 7.5' overlays in the first > >place. > > > >Don > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 14:50:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jjunkroski) Date: Mon Mar 8 14:50:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <030820041513.18654.24b5@att.net> Message-ID: Where does one find these fantastic National Geographic maps and how much do they cost? Junk on 3/8/04 9:13 AM, morningstar@att.net at morningstar@att.net wrote: > >> Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't >> even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies within >> the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am missing >> your point... > > Sometimes writers publish the lat/long coordinates of a find in articles. > This is why I encourage people to obtain a GPS and use it when field > collecting. Someone may find a locality not on a map, and mark it with GPS. > > A decent GPS is about $150, and if someone cannot afford that, perhaps a club > can buy one or several people can pool together and share it. As one of my > dealer friends says, "I don't care about localities and spellings and counties > and regions and countries, just give me a set of coordinates." > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 15:16:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Z) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:16:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer Special: Imperial Topaz Message-ID: <000d01c40563$45e56820$6400a8c0@M1Garand> Genuine imperial topaz mine run pieces and crystals from Brazil at a ridiculously low price - $46 per pound (one pound minimum). That's just 10 cents per gram! The material contains some facet grade, some specimen grade, some terminated, some good for quality cabochons. Most is orange to reddish, with a few pieces of pink. Priority One shipping within USA, $6.50 regardless of quantity - several pounds available. If not satisfactory all may be returned (no highgrading) within 15 days for full refund less actual shipping charges and credit card fees (if any). Picture of a handful of pieces at http://www.manyfacets.com/imptopaz.jpg (50 Kbytes). NYS purchasers, please include sales tax form OR 8.25% of total of merchandise + shipping. -dan- (sorry if you've seen this twice - never showed up here on last try) __ Let the banks dispose of them for you! Write NO! across those credit card apps, and stuff everything including the original envelope into the postage-paid envelope, and mail it all back.... Rock Shop: http://www.ManyFacets.com Personal: http://www.ManyFacets.com/dan From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 15:54:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:54:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got mine at Sam's Club for $34.95, someone else emntioned paying $39 at sam's so the price may vary across country. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of jjunkroski > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 17:51 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > > > Where does one find these fantastic National Geographic maps and > how much do > they cost? > > Junk > > > on 3/8/04 9:13 AM, morningstar@att.net at morningstar@att.net wrote: > > > > >> Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that isn't > >> even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS > point lies within > >> the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess > I am missing > >> your point... > > > > Sometimes writers publish the lat/long coordinates of a find in > articles. > > This is why I encourage people to obtain a GPS and use it when field > > collecting. Someone may find a locality not on a map, and mark > it with GPS. > > > > A decent GPS is about $150, and if someone cannot afford that, > perhaps a club > > can buy one or several people can pool together and share it. > As one of my > > dealer friends says, "I don't care about localities and > spellings and counties > > and regions and countries, just give me a set of coordinates." > > > > Don > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 18:52:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Mar 8 18:52:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] paula pillonen Message-ID: dear paula, will you please contact me off the list about an rms matter? thanks, cathy From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 21:11:29 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 8 21:11:29 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Rockhounds] Books for free - and the winner is... Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:56:47 -0800 >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >From: CTDesigns >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Books for free - and the winner is... >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >The reason I would like the 3 books on Brazilian Minerals is I have >a great interest in the lore/legends healing properties of minerals >from around the world, which I use in my Art Therapy Practice and >Sculptures. > >Cynthia Thomas > >http://www.CynthiaThomasDesigns.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 8 23:46:47 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 23:46:47 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re: Thanks! Message-ID: <200403090742.i297gSmO027728@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Your file is attached. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/octet-stream --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 05:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Keith Q. Hayes) Date: Tue Mar 9 05:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] best sales/buying story Message-ID: <004f01c405dc$857fb660$5616bc42@bay.chartermi.net> Ok, lots of us have had some interesting experiences when buying or = selling specimens. I just had one that struck me as amusing. Can you = top this? (probably, and it should be fun hearing...) I sold 2 alexandrite specimens from Bahia, Brazil to a gentleman who = will remain nameless. After they arrived, he contacted me and was quite = angry. It seems they didn't change color! He looked at them in the = sunlight and under fluorescent light and they stayed green... there was = no red color. He accused me of selling him just plain chrysoberyl. = Well, by definition they are green under these light sources and turn = red under incandescent light. Hmmm... Take care, Keith ps, I have some interesting specimens up from Tucson and first show = report on my home page if anyone wants to look. Keith Q. Hayes KQ's Minerals kqhayes@chartermi.net www.kqminerals.com 3705 Fuller Drive Midland, MI 48642 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 06:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 9 06:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer Special - Imperial Topaz Message-ID: <8b.54e60bd.2d7f3424@aol.com> I'd love to buy a pound of the Imperial Topaz. I didn't see it on the website, how do I order? Thanks, Docia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 08:00:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frank de Wit) Date: Tue Mar 9 08:00:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New localities on strahlen.org Message-ID: <032c01c40494$ee5e12b0$897ba8c0@cm333814lt> Hi all ! Luc Waumans and I were a week in Portugal. We visited the following mines/quarries: -Mina de Lousal, Sines (Fe-sulfates, Pyrit) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/lousal/ -Serra do Rossalgar mina, Cercal (Pyrolusit !, Goethit, Hausmannit (?) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/rossalgar/ -Serra de Mina/Mina de Cercal, Cercal (Goethit !) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/serramina/ -Neves-Corvo Cu-mine http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/nevescorvo/ -Mines in the Aljustrel-region (Fe-sulfates, Pyrit) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/aljustrel/ -Miguel Vacas (Libethenit !, Pseudomalachit, Wavellit ! etc) http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/vacas/ -marble quarries (a la Carrara) at Vila Vicosa http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/vicosa/ -Folgosinho mine/quarry http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/folgo/ -Wolfram mines in the Cabril-region http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/cabril/ -Sb-Au Montalto mine in the Covelo-Gondomar-region http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/covelo/ -the worldfamous Panasqueira mines http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/panasqueira/ and last but not least -the Tragos U-mine http://www.strahlen.org/vp/pt/tragos/ Have fun ;-) If you have pictures/info to add for those localities, please mailme ! Cheers! Frank http://www.strahlen.org/ http://www.untertage.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 08:00:17 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (CTDesigns) Date: Tue Mar 9 08:00:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books for free - and the winner is... In-Reply-To: <22A014C7-70AF-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> References: <22A014C7-70AF-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: The reason I would like the 3 books on Brazilian Minerals is I have a great interest in the lore/legends healing properties of minerals from around the world, which I use in my Art Therapy Practice and Sculptures. Cynthia Thomas http://www.CynthiaThomasDesigns.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 08:00:23 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dakota Matrix) Date: Tue Mar 9 08:00:23 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] R/M issues Message-ID: <001a01c40562$fb12be60$52c79fd1@DAKOTA1> Hello, Are you still looking for R/M back issues? I think I can help. thanks Tom Dakota Matrix Minerals Tom Loomis 3519 Sequoia Place Rapid City, SD 57702 website: http://www.dakotamatrix.com email: dakotamatrix@rushmore.com alternate email: dakotamatrix2003@yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 08:00:29 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Herbert W. Franke) Date: Tue Mar 9 08:00:29 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral collecting Message-ID: <4049D23E.9CD9873F@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Dear Kitty and Bill, I am a Austrian science writer living near Munich, Germany. I was occupied with cave exploring many years, but now, in my older days, I have changed to rockhunting. More about me in my website - see below. In the next time I will be with my wife Susanne for vacancies in Hawaii: 30.3. – 5.4.04 Maui 5. – 13.4.04 Kauai 13. – 23.4.04 Big Island Hawaii and I would like to search there a little for minerals and stones. I have read your general e-mail from Jan 4 2003 and the e-mail of Rik Dillen from Jan 5 2003, and so I have a little imagination about possible difficulties. But I am not sure if it is possible to avoid trouble. Wath I would ask you is how to get informations about areas with chance to find something. I have tried to get the book “Rockhunting in Hawaii…” 1976, but it was not possible to get it here. Please, could you give me some tips? Please excuse my bad English. Best wishes Herbert _________________________________________________________________________________ Prof. Dr. Herbert W. Franke Austr. 12, Puppling 82544 Egling Tel. 08171 18329, Fax 08171 29594 Homepage: http://www.herbert-w-franke.de oder http://www.zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de/~franke _________________________________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/x-vcard --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 08:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 9 08:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> References: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> Message-ID: <404DF0F4.80703@hal-pc.org> Docia1154@aol.com wrote: >Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme >gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >IMHO. > > Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" by David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has indexed all the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by decimal lat/long coordinates. I can see two advantages to this. It makes it easier to pinpoint and find locations for the younger people who (unlike most of us old grizzlies) are much more comfortable with the gadgets than the topos. It brings together in one book locations in all the Western states. Maybe they aren't the best, but a beginner and some of us poke-around people could find this useful... john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 09:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson Show Report Message-ID: <404DFC36.7030704@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, As most of you know, I've just returned from my yearly big show in Tucson, Arizona. Below you'll find a link which will take you to Scott Kleine and his Great Basin Minerals website where he's presented a terrific Show Report documenting the adventures we survived this year. This was the second show Scott has graciously allowed me to share with him (Denver 2003 was the first. Go to the link for other Show Reports on Scott's website for further text and pictures documenting that show) and we really had a great time. Enjoy. All the very best, John http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Mineral%20Show%20Pix/Tucson%202004%20Show%20Pix%20Page.htm From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 10:37:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 9 10:37:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <404DF0F4.80703@hal-pc.org> References: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> <404DF0F4.80703@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309102408.01fb1588@mail.spiritone.com> There's one HUGE problem with doing that sort of GPS "data" collection: He didn't go to many (any?) of those places and take his own coordinates. So you are stuck with someone's guess of someone else's guess at the location. And yes Virginia, many of the locations in the Gem Trails series are no better than guesses, based on faulty memory, faulty data collection, bad mapmaking (come on - hand drawn maps, nowhere near close to scale? Oh puhleeeeeeeease!), rumors, innuendo, outdated information, and flat out lies. There really is no excuse for not taking GPS points when you are writing a guide that will send people out into the middle of nowhere to dig stuff up. It's irresponsible. Hasn't been an excuse since I dunno, at least 1990, when recreational GPSs showed up all over the place. Other than the authors don't "do" technology. I would be willing to bet that well over half of those points are more than a mile off. That's no better than DeLorme, IMO. For a beginner, that's unacceptable. I cannot count the number of newbies who told me they either gave up rockhounding or were very very disappointed in what they found after their dismal experiences with the "Gem Trails" series books. I have had the book back ordered on Amazon for a while now (it's out of stock and I am NOT holding my breath). When I get it I am going to enter all the coords that are in common with my coords and compare. I will post the results here. Harumph. 'Nuff said. Flame me off list, please. At 08:29 AM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > >>Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >>Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme >>gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >>IMHO. >> > >Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" by >David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has indexed all >the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by decimal lat/long >coordinates. I can see two advantages to this. > >It makes it easier to pinpoint and find locations for the younger people >who (unlike most of us old grizzlies) are much more comfortable with the >gadgets than the topos. > >It brings together in one book locations in all the Western states. Maybe >they aren't the best, but a beginner and some of us poke-around people >could find this useful... > >john Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 11:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Mar 9 11:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <404DF0F4.80703@hal-pc.org> References: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> <404DF0F4.80703@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: That sounds good, but I found a lot of fault with the GPS Guide. It appeared that the data was gathered by book and map research and "guesstimation" only. The author apparently used field guides, then he located what he interpreted as the location on a map and came up with the coordinates. This appeared to have worked well where there were good maps or specific data in the guide, but for many locations, it produced a coordinate that is way off the actual location. Consider trying to interpret a hand drawn field guide map that shows "X" amount of roads, and sitting in your home and trying to fit that to a map with "Y" amount of roads. Being hand drawn, the actual scale and true shape of the access road doesn't match anything on your map. Where do you put your locality "X" to determine the coordinate? At first, that may seem no more of a problem than a poorly drawn map. When you head oout in the field with a fairly good access description and/or map in a field guide, you expect that you may have to try a couple roads and do a little looking around to find the right one when ther are many roads or other "obstacles," but when you consider that we look at a lat/lon coordinate as "The Exact Spot," it can be very misleading to have one that isn't the exact spot. Comparing the data in the GPS Guide to the locations the author apparently used from my Idaho Guide, there were many hits, but some major misses. They could be predicted, depending on what type of data I'd put in my guide. If it was a good map with a good description based on the few roads in an area or a geographic point that would also be on his map, or a mine name, the GPS Guide was very close or right on. But for locations where the data was other information, such as a mile post on a higway for instance (zeolite localities on Highway 95, a few miles south of Pinehurst), then his coordinate is 2 miles too far north. Which for the beginner, or even some collectors with more experience, the guide would do nothing but create confusion and probably anger. Another location nearby lists two sites at Little Fall Creek, one he has correct, the second is off by a half mile. Not much, but that half mile puts it on the other side of a rather nasty rugged ridge, not along the highway where it is. For other locations, his coordinate is to the start of the access road, not the location. This may have been done to provide "something of use" in the book, but it is in fact quite misleading, especially when the reader thinks it is for the collection location. The GPS Guide has its uses, and for many localities will get you right to the site, but don't be surprised if for another location you can't even see the right kind of rock within sight of the spot the coordinates take you too. The author would have served the reader much better if he'd left out locations where he could'nt definitely pinpoint the location. Thus, buy the book and use it, but beware that the coordinates are often wrong, sometimes way wrong. Regards, Lanny On Mar 9, 2004, at 8:29 AM, john wrote: > Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > >> Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >> Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, >> DeLorme gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you >> THERE. >> IMHO. >> > > Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" by > David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has indexed > all the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by decimal > lat/long coordinates. I can see two advantages to this. > > It makes it easier to pinpoint and find locations for the younger > people who (unlike most of us old grizzlies) are much more comfortable > with the gadgets than the topos. > > It brings together in one book locations in all the Western states. > Maybe they aren't the best, but a beginner and some of us poke-around > people could find this useful... > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 11:50:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Mar 9 11:50:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309102408.01fb1588@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: The one nice things about the Gem Trails books are that they start one thinking about 'regions' that might be interesting. You then go get a topographic map, and maybe the last geologic map of the area, and start prospecting on your own. It's like a detective story; the Gem Trails books are only clues. As for GPS, I have yet to get acceptable signal coverage under trees in Western WA. Oregon is a bit better (esp the Willamette and Eastern OR, as both areas have good WAAS coverage), but under trees, the damn things just don't work well. a. > There's one HUGE problem with doing that sort of GPS "data" collection: He > didn't go to many (any?) of those places and take his own coordinates. So > you are stuck with someone's guess of someone else's guess at the location. > And yes Virginia, many of the locations in the Gem Trails series are no > better than guesses, based on faulty memory, faulty data collection, bad > mapmaking (come on - hand drawn maps, nowhere near close to scale? Oh > puhleeeeeeeease!), rumors, innuendo, outdated information, and flat out > lies. There really is no excuse for not taking GPS points when you are > writing a guide that will send people out into the middle of nowhere to dig > stuff up. It's irresponsible. Hasn't been an excuse since I dunno, at least > 1990, when recreational GPSs showed up all over the place. Other than the > authors don't "do" technology. > > I would be willing to bet that well over half of those points are more than > a mile off. That's no better than DeLorme, IMO. For a beginner, that's > unacceptable. I cannot count the number of newbies who told me they either > gave up rockhounding or were very very disappointed in what they found > after their dismal experiences with the "Gem Trails" series books. > > I have had the book back ordered on Amazon for a while now (it's out of > stock and I am NOT holding my breath). When I get it I am going to enter > all the coords that are in common with my coords and compare. I will post > the results here. Harumph. 'Nuff said. Flame me off list, please. > > At 08:29 AM 3/9/2004, you wrote: > >Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? > >>Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme > >>gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. > >>IMHO. > >> > > > >Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" by > >David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has indexed all > >the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by decimal lat/long > >coordinates. I can see two advantages to this. > > > >It makes it easier to pinpoint and find locations for the younger people > >who (unlike most of us old grizzlies) are much more comfortable with the > >gadgets than the topos. > > > >It brings together in one book locations in all the Western states. Maybe > >they aren't the best, but a beginner and some of us poke-around people > >could find this useful... > > > >john > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 12:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Sterling Hill Mine) Date: Tue Mar 9 12:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309102408.01fb1588@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <000001c40607$7ecfecb0$a1e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> If I have the correct impression of this book from Tim's message, it's rather like someone stepping outside, saying it feels like it's about 40 degrees, and having someone else publish the temperature, converted to degrees Celsius, to the second decimal place. I always hate it when inaccurate information is converted into a pseudo-accurate format, and it's a scientific no-no, but it happens nonetheless. Back in the good old uranium days, when AEC geologists were running all over the place looking at uranium prospects and writing a short report on each one, an immense amount of information gradually built up on where uranium minerals occur in our nation. Much of this information eventually ended up in the USGS's NURE (National Uranium Resource Evaluation) database, and few people these days are aware of the limitations of that information. To us field geologists, though, we know from experience that the poor AEC guys were so overworked, with so many prospects to inspect, that they couldn't take the time to carefully check and recheck their information. It was not unusual to find a prospect or a mine had been mislocated and was in the next drainage over. Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:36 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! There's one HUGE problem with doing that sort of GPS "data" collection: He didn't go to many (any?) of those places and take his own coordinates. So you are stuck with someone's guess of someone else's guess at the location. And yes Virginia, many of the locations in the Gem Trails series are no better than guesses, based on faulty memory, faulty data collection, bad mapmaking (come on - hand drawn maps, nowhere near close to scale? Oh puhleeeeeeeease!), rumors, innuendo, outdated information, and flat out lies. There really is no excuse for not taking GPS points when you are writing a guide that will send people out into the middle of nowhere to dig stuff up. It's irresponsible. Hasn't been an excuse since I dunno, at least 1990, when recreational GPSs showed up all over the place. Other than the authors don't "do" technology. I would be willing to bet that well over half of those points are more than a mile off. That's no better than DeLorme, IMO. For a beginner, that's unacceptable. I cannot count the number of newbies who told me they either gave up rockhounding or were very very disappointed in what they found after their dismal experiences with the "Gem Trails" series books. I have had the book back ordered on Amazon for a while now (it's out of stock and I am NOT holding my breath). When I get it I am going to enter all the coords that are in common with my coords and compare. I will post the results here. Harumph. 'Nuff said. Flame me off list, please. At 08:29 AM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > >>Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >>Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme >>gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >>IMHO. >> > >Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" by >David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has indexed all >the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by decimal lat/long >coordinates. I can see two advantages to this. > >It makes it easier to pinpoint and find locations for the younger people >who (unlike most of us old grizzlies) are much more comfortable with the >gadgets than the topos. > >It brings together in one book locations in all the Western states. Maybe >they aren't the best, but a beginner and some of us poke-around people >could find this useful... > >john Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 12:05:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kris Murray) Date: Tue Mar 9 12:05:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: see, i thought gem books were written this way or purpose. so there would be an adventure in the finding andf not just 'x' marks the spot in some cases i like looking and in others i do not but, i dont know, i just thought old rockhounds were vague on purpose and that came though in the guide books, lol ~KLM -- The bonds that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each others life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof. -- Richard Bach --- On Mar 9, 2004, at 11:49 AM, Aaron Fox wrote: > prospecting on your own. It's like a detective story; the Gem Trails > books are only clues. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 12:21:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 9 12:21:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: I always give slack to rockhounds who provide directions to their locations - they are not looking up and watching street signs, they are watching the ditches, the road cuts, the terrain, and are not making notes as they go. Once they get home and write down the directions, well, it isn't always exactly to the spot. But I too like the exploring & searching so I understand. That's why I always have my gazatteer in the car - I watch my route on it and write my notes and "x's" on it. I'm a member of a large club here in Memphis and I don't know of anyone in it that uses GPS, but then our locations are more limited in this general area - espcially where minerals are concerned - and basically about 90% of the field trips are based on the history of knowledge that has been passed down thru the years. My husband and I are getting our first GPS unit this year, as we will soon have 355 acres and want to mark positions of anything we find, or any place we want to revisit easily thereon. I'm sure thereafter we will use it constantly when we go rockhounding/exploring. Besides, if they made it all exact & to the point and easy, everyone would be doing it. Docia In a message dated 3/9/2004 2:05:33 PM Central Standard Time, kriswmurray1@mac.com writes: see, i thought gem books were written this way or purpose. so there would be an adventure in the finding andf not just 'x' marks the spot in some cases i like looking and in others i do not but, i dont know, i just thought old rockhounds were vague on purpose and that came though in the guide books, lol ~KLM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 12:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Tue Mar 9 12:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <000001c40607$7ecfecb0$a1e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: Pseudo-accurate data is inherent to GPS coordinates. With normal numbers one can make a difference between 10 and 10.00. If you read 10 you know it could be anything between 9.5 and 10.5. But decimal degrees are dots on a map and they don't care very much about precision. This can be seen when you plot the complete mas/mils database on a map. All over the world the dots are more or less random, but in China the dots have a pattern of squares. It turns out all the dots are separated exactly one full degree in latitude or longitude. Clearly the original data was only given in full degrees. This is why in GIS (Geographical Information Systems) all datasets should come with so called metadata. Metadata is information about the dataset. Apart from elementary cartographic stuff like projection and year of production etc, it should also say something about the scale or resolution of the dataset. With digital maps we are used to zoom in as far as we like, but unfortunately after some level it is just the same as looking at a paper map with a microscope. When you start combining maps there is the huge risk of intruducing 'pseudo accuracy'. When I project data from a small scale map (or coordinates with low resolution) to a large scale topo map. It suggest the dots are of the same precision as the map. So digital maps and GPS coordinates are just as normal maps with their own scale and resolution. Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Sterling Hill Mine Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:51 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! If I have the correct impression of this book from Tim's message, it's rather like someone stepping outside, saying it feels like it's about 40 degrees, and having someone else publish the temperature, converted to degrees Celsius, to the second decimal place. I always hate it when inaccurate information is converted into a pseudo-accurate format, and it's a scientific no-no, but it happens nonetheless. Back in the good old uranium days, when AEC geologists were running all over the place looking at uranium prospects and writing a short report on each one, an immense amount of information gradually built up on where uranium minerals occur in our nation. Much of this information eventually ended up in the USGS's NURE (National Uranium Resource Evaluation) database, and few people these days are aware of the limitations of that information. To us field geologists, though, we know from experience that the poor AEC guys were so overworked, with so many prospects to inspect, that they couldn't take the time to carefully check and recheck their information. It was not unusual to find a prospect or a mine had been mislocated and was in the next drainage over. Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:36 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! There's one HUGE problem with doing that sort of GPS "data" collection: He didn't go to many (any?) of those places and take his own coordinates. So you are stuck with someone's guess of someone else's guess at the location. And yes Virginia, many of the locations in the Gem Trails series are no better than guesses, based on faulty memory, faulty data collection, bad mapmaking (come on - hand drawn maps, nowhere near close to scale? Oh puhleeeeeeeease!), rumors, innuendo, outdated information, and flat out lies. There really is no excuse for not taking GPS points when you are writing a guide that will send people out into the middle of nowhere to dig stuff up. It's irresponsible. Hasn't been an excuse since I dunno, at least 1990, when recreational GPSs showed up all over the place. Other than the authors don't "do" technology. I would be willing to bet that well over half of those points are more than a mile off. That's no better than DeLorme, IMO. For a beginner, that's unacceptable. I cannot count the number of newbies who told me they either gave up rockhounding or were very very disappointed in what they found after their dismal experiences with the "Gem Trails" series books. I have had the book back ordered on Amazon for a while now (it's out of stock and I am NOT holding my breath). When I get it I am going to enter all the coords that are in common with my coords and compare. I will post the results here. Harumph. 'Nuff said. Flame me off list, please. At 08:29 AM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >Docia1154@aol.com wrote: > >>Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >>Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, DeLorme >>gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you THERE. >>IMHO. >> > >Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" by >David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has indexed all >the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by decimal lat/long >coordinates. I can see two advantages to this. > >It makes it easier to pinpoint and find locations for the younger people >who (unlike most of us old grizzlies) are much more comfortable with the >gadgets than the topos. > >It brings together in one book locations in all the Western states. Maybe >they aren't the best, but a beginner and some of us poke-around people >could find this useful... > >john Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 12:41:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 9 12:41:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: <13.2920e63f.2d7dd9c8@aol.com> <404DF0F4.80703@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <404E2CC0.7090906@hal-pc.org> Lanny wrote: > That sounds good, but I found a lot of fault with the GPS Guide. It > appeared that the data was gathered by book and map research and > "guesstimation" only. The author apparently used field guides, then he > located what he interpreted as the location on a map and came up with > the coordinates. This appeared to have worked well where there were > good maps or specific data in the guide, but for many locations, it > produced a coordinate that is way off the actual location. ... > > The GPS Guide has its uses, and for many localities will get you > right to the site, but don't be surprised if for another location you > can't even see the right kind of rock within sight of the spot the > coordinates take you too. The author would have served the reader much > better if he'd left out locations where he could'nt definitely > pinpoint the location. Thus, buy the book and use it, but beware that > the coordinates are often wrong, sometimes way wrong. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Mar 9, 2004, at 8:29 AM, john wrote: > >> Docia1154@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Have you noticed that the Atlas/Gazatteer has gps info on the pages? >>> Where we tend to go rockhounding out here in the wild wild west, >>> DeLorme gets you close, topos get you closer, and YOUR GPS gets you >>> THERE. >>> IMHO. >>> >> >> Have you all seen or heard of "The GPS Guide To Western Gem Trails" >> by David A Kelty (Gem Guide Book Co, Baldwin CA) 2002. He has >> indexed all the locations in the Gem Trails books and others by >> decimal lat/long coordinates. I can see two advantages to this... > As I have noted earlier, I do not have much faith in any of the published "field guides". That said I have used them to the extent I was able, as I am sure has everyone else. I picked up the GPS guide recently and have not had a chance to test it in the field, but I suspect you are right that this is more armchair topology than field work. I see that Kelty also x-refs the Delorme maps to the locations; could it be that these were the primary source? When I am planning to go afield I decide on an area and read the guides and whatever I can find on the internet about it. Then I order the Survey bulletins and whatever else is available to plan details. Information on mineral districts and such is far more valuable than recreational guides. I use the Benchmark Maps "Road and Recreation Atlas" for the state as it contains two sets of maps, one topography and another that overlays public lands. They are good for roads and access. Then I secure National Forest maps and BLM land use maps. These give me good general topo maps and the land use maps show me where private and public lands lie, and who is leasing them for what. If prospecting then a set of 1:24000 topo maps is essential. The GPS unit is good only after the fact to give exact coordinates of what is found. The comment about the old-timers being purposefully vague is more than half-true. Look at how quickly those good sites were wiped out after they were published, the "Rockhound Code of Ethics" and Johnny Horizon notwithstanding...I suspect human nature has not changed much in the thirty years since Bessie Simpson was annotating her travels. The rest is sweat and luck. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 13:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Tue Mar 9 13:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <404E2CC0.7090906@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: Sorry to jump into this discussion in the middle like this, but let me point out just a few things about location data, digital or otherwise. 1) Much (Most!) mapping of mines, quarries, etc. was done with 1:100,000 or larger base maps, not your average 7.5 minute 1:24,000 maps. On these, an "exact" location is a dot or "X" that represents considerable territory. 2) Mapping a mine often consists of locating the mine office, not the mine itself. Additionally, a mine may cover many acres, so what exactly do you map? 3) Much digitized (read: Data-Mined) data is inaccurate because of point 1 and 2 above, and/or lack of original precision in the field. 4) Metadata is as much a joke as the inaccurate data obtained from data-mining old sources. Have you ever looked at an ArcInfo metadata file? There is literally everything including your Great-Grandmother's shoe size in those things. Do you really think that data entry clerks are going to spend all day checking each entry? 5) Modern (read: post-1960's) data is mostly garbage and getting worse every day. When was the last time the USGS or any State Geological Survey issued a publication with significant mineral resource data backed up by field investigation? State Geologists these days earn their salary by providing "retread" data for mass consumption. My $0.02. Henry Barwood From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 13:08:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 9 13:08:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404E331F.4020402@hal-pc.org> Docia1154@aol.com wrote: >I always give slack to rockhounds who provide directions to their locations - >they are not looking up and watching street signs, they are watching the >ditches, the road cuts, the terrain, and are not making notes as they go. Once >they get home and write down the directions, well, it isn't always exactly to >the spot. But I too like the exploring & searching so I understand. That's why >I always have my gazatteer in the car - I watch my route on it and write my >notes and "x's" on it. I'm a member of a large club here in Memphis and I >don't know of anyone in it that uses GPS, but then our locations are more limited >in this general area - espcially where minerals are concerned - and basically >about 90% of the field trips are based on the history of knowledge that has >been passed down thru the years. My husband and I are getting our first GPS >unit this year, as we will soon have 355 acres and want to mark positions of >anything we find, or any place we want to revisit easily thereon. I'm sure >thereafter we will use it constantly when we go rockhounding/exploring. > >Besides, if they made it all exact & to the point and easy, everyone would be >doing it. > >Docia > >In a message dated 3/9/2004 2:05:33 PM Central Standard Time, >kriswmurray1@mac.com writes: >see, i thought gem books were written this way or purpose. so there >would be an adventure in the finding andf not just 'x' marks the spot >in some cases i like looking and in others i do not but, i dont know, i >just thought old rockhounds were vague on purpose and that came though >in the guide books, lol >~KLM > > > Richard Pearl has mileage logs in his guide. I have found it to be an excellent practice to make them from known locations to where one is going, noting ALL the turns, lanes, and roads along the way. They are the most valuable field notes after I get home other that what was found. For instance, regarding the discussion about Round Mountain I looked at my notes and found: 0.0 Junction of I-10 and US 70 at Lordsburg NM 24.0 Windmill and stock tank on Right. 24.2 Entrance to Lazy J Ranch on Left. 25.0 Rte. 92 to the Right (goes to Virdon) milepost 385 is the AZ border. Returning to the Lazy J entrance: 0.0 Stone wall entrance to ranch. Good dirt road. 4.1 RR crossing 4.8 Power line crossing the dirt road. 6.1 Sign on Right "Brush Control by Chaining/ 1957/ BLM" 6.7 Sign-in area; road splits; ranch about 1/2 mile ahead on the Right branch. 7.3 Road to Right. Sign to "Rockhound Area". Take Left branch. 9.9 Much agate on and around the road. 11.1 Cattle gurad. 11.3 Loop Road; the Left road is rough; going Right. 11.9 Makeshift campsite. 12.0 Dry wash. High Clearance! 12.2 Makeshift campsite. 12.5 Cattle guard; stock pens and water tank. 12.7 At the water tank, road veers Left. 13.0 Park and search. Lots of good material. GPS: 12 680851E 3593555N 4429' Elev 13.7 Limonite and/or fire agate on broad slope to Left. Geodes on the hills to the Right. And so on up to the end of the loop road at 14.4 miles... john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 15:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 9 15:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <404E331F.4020402@hal-pc.org> References: <404E331F.4020402@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309150528.01f7fb48@mail.spiritone.com> Sorry, but odometers vary, especially on "washboard" roads. I gave up taking mileages when I couldn't reproduce my own at Graveyard Point. The size of your tires, how wide you make turns, whether or not your are in 4WD, skidding, etc. all contribute to odometer readings gone awry. GPS coordinates don't vary by more than a few hundred feet under the worst of conditions (assuming you aren't in Aaron's backyard!)...no comment on metadata; as the previous poster pointed out it is as useful as the author and I have yet to find a metadata file that I actually used that actually helped me to determine actual the precision of actual points in an actual dataset. Think "virtual precision" when you read those things. At 01:11 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >Richard Pearl has mileage logs in his guide. I have found it to be an >excellent practice to make them from known locations to where one is >going, noting ALL the turns, lanes, and roads along the way. They are the >most valuable field notes after I get home other that what was found. > >For instance, regarding the discussion about Round Mountain I looked at my >notes and found: > > 0.0 Junction of I-10 and US 70 at Lordsburg NM > 24.0 Windmill and stock tank on Right. > 24.2 Entrance to Lazy J Ranch on Left. > 25.0 Rte. 92 to the Right (goes to Virdon) > milepost 385 is the AZ border. > > Returning to the Lazy J entrance: > 0.0 Stone wall entrance to ranch. Good dirt road. > 4.1 RR crossing > 4.8 Power line crossing the dirt road. > 6.1 Sign on Right "Brush Control by Chaining/ 1957/ BLM" > 6.7 Sign-in area; road splits; ranch about 1/2 mile > ahead on the Right branch. > 7.3 Road to Right. Sign to "Rockhound Area". Take > Left branch. > 9.9 Much agate on and around the road. > 11.1 Cattle gurad. > 11.3 Loop Road; the Left road is rough; going Right. > 11.9 Makeshift campsite. > 12.0 Dry wash. High Clearance! > 12.2 Makeshift campsite. > 12.5 Cattle guard; stock pens and water tank. > 12.7 At the water tank, road veers Left. > 13.0 Park and search. Lots of good material. GPS: 12 > 680851E > > 3593555N 4429' Elev > 13.7 Limonite and/or fire agate on broad slope to Left. > Geodes on the hills to the Right. > >And so on up to the end of the loop road at 14.4 miles... > >john > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 15:29:14 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Tue Mar 9 15:29:14 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: <404E2CC0.7090906@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040309175846.00df60c0@pop.megalink.net> The Maine Geological Survey has published (now in its third edition) Bulletin # 41 - A Collectors Guide to Maine Mineral Localities. Each of the 56 listed locations has a driving description and a walking description and a clearly marked approach on a 7.5 quad topo map. Now I admit that 4-5 of the locations are closed and 5-6 are of interest to ONLY the novice collector but each site was field checked by often two people on who later compared data. Also a number of these ARE from previously published data (Pegmatite Investigations etc.) but no one has complained about not being able to find the sites. Of course we are in BIG budget trouble as far as the state goes so it is unlikely that a 4th editon will be produced. Also worthy of note is the fact that Thompson, Joyner, Woodman, and King are all avid field collectors. It is also true that Maine is much smaller than anything west of the Mississippi....just a thought From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 15:45:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (David Lehker) Date: Tue Mar 9 15:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Back from Arizona quick trip Message-ID: Folks on this list are the best! I want to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my plea for ideas for a quick trip to Arizona. The trip came up unexpectedly, so I had little time to research, and folks on this list came through in a big way. We were able to find (selenite) crystals at Benson, went agate hunting at several sites along highway 10 (thanks John) and at round mountian (as suggested), and took a local suggestion to explore a mine outside Loardsburg, where we found some nice pieces of azurite, malicite and other minerals I can't identify (yellow and red druzy with the azurite and malicite?). My one regreat is that we didn't make it down towards the boarder to explore the area Pete noted. Just a bit too far for three days. But now I have directions for a return trip! So again, thanks much for the ideas and suggestions on such short notice. Dave PS. Is it possible to clean the celenite crystals? If so, what would I use? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 16:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Tue Mar 9 16:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309150528.01f7fb48@mail.spiritone.com> References: <404E331F.4020402@hal-pc.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040309150528.01f7fb48@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <404E61D9.6070607@hal-pc.org> Tim Fisher wrote: > Sorry, but odometers vary, especially on "washboard" roads. I gave up > taking mileages when I couldn't reproduce my own at Graveyard Point. > The size of your tires, how wide you make turns, whether or not your > are in 4WD, skidding, etc. all contribute to odometer readings gone > awry. GPS coordinates don't vary by more than a few hundred feet under > the worst of conditions (assuming you aren't in Aaron's > backyard!)...no comment on metadata; as the previous poster pointed > out it is as useful as the author and I have yet to find a metadata > file that I actually used that actually helped me to determine actual > the precision of actual points in an actual dataset. Think "virtual > precision" when you read those things. Yes, odometers do vary. But if you have a fair idea of how accurate your own (trip) odometer is, you can compensate. It is fairly easy to calibrate one since every interstate highway has mileage posts every mile. Take readings over 70-80 miles to see how accurate it is. Even so, odometer readings still should get one to within .1-.2 miles. That's 500-1000 ft. Closer than that is mostly searching anyway. If the area is well known, follow the paths. If not, make new ones. It is just a hobby after all...or is it? And they are a lot better mneumonic device than memory. As to GPS, these were very expensive toys ten years ago and references up to a few years ago have nothing to do with them. Perhaps it will be better in the future; maybe not. As I said, GPS comes after the fact, not before; first you got to find the place, then take the readings. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 16:32:59 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 9 16:32:59 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2004 7:27:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jabac@hal-pc.org writes: > And they are a lot better mneumonic device than memory. As to GPS, > these were very expensive toys ten years ago and references up to a few > years ago have nothing to do with them. Perhaps it will be better in the > future; maybe not. As I said, GPS comes after the fact, not before; > first you got to find the place, then take the readings. When out bushwhacking, looking for new locations, I use GPS to find my car again. I still rely on a bearing-compass and altimeter for fixing position of a location (much more accurate in mountainous territory than GPS). John Betts http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 16:52:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Mar 9 16:52:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <249005A4-722D-11D8-8A90-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> The National Geographic maps, as in TOPO, is a set of CDs for each state with a program (both Mac and Windows available) to display the maps, connect to a GPS, mark points on them, save maps of areas desired, etc. Their maps are based on the US Geologic Survey topographic maps. The list price per state is $99 (maybe less for small states), available for less at some outlets such as 4x4 books. They also sell a regional series which is primarily for state parks and similar attractions in a region, but these don't have the large scale (up to 1:24000 of the 7.5 min quads of the State series). You can also buy the individual 7.5 min quads from the USGS or other outlets, individually, by the county or other combinations. These are the DRG files (Digital Raster Graphics which are a scanned image of the individual topo maps in a tif format). You can also download them for free for many states from the state geological survey or GIS data sites for the specific states. Very handy. National Geographic's TOPO is more convenient than the individual DRG files because of the viewing software. Although, a lot less convenient on the pocketbook than the free downloads... Regards, Lanny On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:51 PM, jjunkroski wrote: > Where does one find these fantastic National Geographic maps and how > much do > they cost? > > Junk > > > on 3/8/04 9:13 AM, morningstar@att.net at morningstar@att.net wrote: > >> >>> Yes it certainly does. How does that help you get to a point that >>> isn't >>> even on the map? I suppose one could guess where your GPS point lies >>> within >>> the empty space on the page and put a mark there, but I guess I am >>> missing >>> your point... >> >> Sometimes writers publish the lat/long coordinates of a find in >> articles. >> This is why I encourage people to obtain a GPS and use it when field >> collecting. Someone may find a locality not on a map, and mark it >> with GPS. >> >> A decent GPS is about $150, and if someone cannot afford that, >> perhaps a club >> can buy one or several people can pool together and share it. As one >> of my >> dealer friends says, "I don't care about localities and spellings and >> counties >> and regions and countries, just give me a set of coordinates." >> >> Don >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 17:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 9 17:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <404E61D9.6070607@hal-pc.org> References: <404E331F.4020402@hal-pc.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040309150528.01f7fb48@mail.spiritone.com> <404E61D9.6070607@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309172230.01fb9d38@mail.spiritone.com> It just doesn't work that way once you get off the blacktop. Try it sometime. Or read the intro to Rockhounding Nevada. Accuracy goes out the window when you get on the washboard. The error is more like 1-2 miles in 10 miles, which is not accurate enough to get you anywhere that I collect...and GPS can and does get you there; it gets me there all the time. Just ask the people who bought my CD :) I have had at least 10 people so far tell me they got within a few hundred feet to right on top of several GPS waypoints on the CD. After I learned the difference between NAD27 and NAD83 that is lol. And I bought my GPS 10 years ago for less than $200, and it's still going strong... At 04:31 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: Yes, odometers do vary. But if you have a fair idea of how accurate your own (trip) odometer is, you can compensate. It is fairly easy to calibrate one since every interstate highway has mileage posts every mile. Take readings over 70-80 miles to see how accurate it is. Even so, odometer readings still should get one to within .1-.2 miles. That's 500-1000 ft. Closer than that is mostly searching anyway. If the area is well known, follow the paths. If not, make new ones. It is just a hobby after all...or is it? And they are a lot better mneumonic device than memory. As to GPS, these were very expensive toys ten years ago and references up to a few years ago have nothing to do with them. Perhaps it will be better in the future; maybe not. As I said, GPS comes after the fact, not before; first you got to find the place, then take the readings. john Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 17:30:03 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 9 17:30:03 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309172721.01f9d478@mail.spiritone.com> I use my GPS AS a compass. Even in the worst terrain I have been in (central Idaho), I can walk a hundred feet or so in a straight line and get a bearing...of course if one is drinking heavily this might not wok :)) At 04:32 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/9/2004 7:27:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jabac@hal-pc.org writes: > > > > And they are a lot better mneumonic device than memory. As to GPS, > > these were very expensive toys ten years ago and references up to a few > > years ago have nothing to do with them. Perhaps it will be better in the > > future; maybe not. As I said, GPS comes after the fact, not before; > > first you got to find the place, then take the readings. > >When out bushwhacking, looking for new locations, I use GPS to find my car >again. >I still rely on a bearing-compass and altimeter for fixing position of a >location (much more accurate in mountainous territory than GPS). > >John Betts >http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 17:41:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Mar 9 17:41:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309172721.01f9d478@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <404E727B.7AFC6329@att.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > > I use my GPS AS a compass. Even in the worst terrain I have been in > (central Idaho), I can walk a hundred feet or so in a straight line and get > a bearing...of course if one is drinking heavily this might not wok :)) Oh I can't wait to meet Tim now. But seriously folks, here is what I perceive as the drill: 1. Bring a GPS with you. 2. Check the number of satellites you are receiving and make sure it the minimum recommended number for accuracy. Check your GPS manual. 3. Place yourself at a prominent landmark that is within a significant portion of the collecting area. Describe what is around you, and in which compasss direction (I think you need a real compass for this). 4. Note the GPS lat/long position and the *datum* you used to mark it (i.e., WGS84). The datum is a reference point!!! Enter this info in your catalog as part of your specimen record. If we all do this, locality information will be much better than it is now. I think I mentioned this, but people or clubs can pool resources and buy a GPS. I know there are other people on the list who will join the crusade of *proper, well-documented* GPS marking for localities . . . this is the way to go. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 17:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Tue Mar 9 17:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! References: <20040309020002.29905.17830.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <404E7266.E571CAFD@earthlink.net> I'm serious about topo maps - 1:24,000 DRG's in particular. I'm always looking to trade full state sets. I have TX, MO, and CT. Looking to acquire all western states, particularly NV, CA, UT, WY, etc. Please contact me if you are interested in trading state sets. Mike Flannigan rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com wrote: > From: morningstar@att.net > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:42:33 +0000 > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Serious? I have little claim boundaries drawn on the 7.5s. Thanks for the tip. If all goes well I should be at U. Idaho - Moscow in 2006. Maybe then we can meet and greet and do some real collecting in person! > > Don > > Don, when you get serious about topos, as I know you will, try All Topo > > Maps, www.igage.com > > This program is indispensable not only for my rockhounding but for my work > > as well. Without it I would have taken a couple YEARS to locate and map all > > of the 13,000 fish habitat projects I found for Bonneville Power in my real > > job. Coverage of the Columbia River basin (5 states) cost me about $500 but > > it was money well spent (heck they paid for the software anyhow lol). This > > is the only program I found that was flexible enough to both map at any > > USGS scale and plot GPS waypoints, tracks, and GIS shape files on any topo, > > not to mention the custom topo seaming it does. Some crazies even use it > > for real-time GPS plotting. It does a killer job at plotting mining claims > > too; see the example map on my site at > > http://orerockon.com/Custom%20Maps.htm (Warning: huge image!). I know of no > > other program where I can type "plot the NW 1/4 of the SE 1/4 of the SW 1/4 > > of Sec 6 T 4 N R 3 E PM Willamette" and it draws a neat little box for me > > :) Plus it draws that cool hillshading lol. > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 18:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 9 18:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Re: Thanks! References: <200403090742.i297gSmO027728@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <404E81CE.1798@Tomaszewski.net> buff1@ptd.net wrote: > > Your file is attached. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/octet-stream > --- Looks like a Netsky.J Worm, likely from someone on the list. If your computer/ISP is at mbeerdsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.136.164] then you have an infected computer and need to secure your system. Received: from lists.drizzle.com (mbeerdsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.136.164]) by bubbleator.drizzle.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i297gSmO027728 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:42:29 -0800 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 20:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Mar 9 20:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner Message-ID: Greetings list members, I kept putting it off, all day, just couldn't get myself to read all the entries and make a decision, but finally had to do it. The winner of the three volume set of "Minerals of Brazil" or in Portugese "Minerals do Brasil" is Steve at crocoite.com. He won with the following bad poetry: "Brazilian minerals I've few, not flashy, not older, not new, but I'd like to read more, from these books to be sure, so my knowledge of Brazil's minerals can grew." There were nine entries, and all were appreciated. This week I have a warped sense of humor, so bad poetry wins. Now I have to decide on how to get rid of that copy of "The Mineral Kingdom" by Paul Desautels. Regards, Lanny ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 9 21:45:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Mar 9 21:45:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309172230.01fb9d38@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have a Jeep Cherokee Sport and I go everywhere in it (e.g. the Colorado mountains). One day I decided to get it lifted by 3 inches and bought larger tires. But I didn't think of how it would affect the odometer. The new tires changed the odometer *drastically*! It isn't just a 0.1 mile difference every couple of miles. I never even thought of this when I was using some of the field guides for Colorado. I was with a gentleman from Oregon early last fall and we went looking for the Douglas Pass fossil location north of Grand Junction, CO. We were looking for a dirt road turnoff and almost didn't find it because my odometer said "hey, you passed the dirt road about 0.3 miles ago.", but in reality, we were 0.2 or 0.3 miles short of it! We finally found the turnoff, found the fossil location, and found many cool fossils. The moral of this story: If you have done *anything* to your vehicle, think about how it *might* affect your odometer. Don't always blame the author of the book you are following. Sometimes it's your own darn fault. :-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 6:27 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! It just doesn't work that way once you get off the blacktop. Try it sometime. Or read the intro to Rockhounding Nevada. Accuracy goes out the window when you get on the washboard. The error is more like 1-2 miles in 10 miles, which is not accurate enough to get you anywhere that I collect...and GPS can and does get you there; it gets me there all the time. Just ask the people who bought my CD :) I have had at least 10 people so far tell me they got within a few hundred feet to right on top of several GPS waypoints on the CD. After I learned the difference between NAD27 and NAD83 that is lol. And I bought my GPS 10 years ago for less than $200, and it's still going strong... At 04:31 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: Yes, odometers do vary. But if you have a fair idea of how accurate your own (trip) odometer is, you can compensate. It is fairly easy to calibrate one since every interstate highway has mileage posts every mile. Take readings over 70-80 miles to see how accurate it is. Even so, odometer readings still should get one to within .1-.2 miles. That's 500-1000 ft. Closer than that is mostly searching anyway. If the area is well known, follow the paths. If not, make new ones. It is just a hobby after all...or is it? And they are a lot better mneumonic device than memory. As to GPS, these were very expensive toys ten years ago and references up to a few years ago have nothing to do with them. Perhaps it will be better in the future; maybe not. As I said, GPS comes after the fact, not before; first you got to find the place, then take the readings. john Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 01:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Wed Mar 10 01:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner Message-ID: <20040310090842.14518.qmail@webmachine101.com> Apologies list members. It was an awful "limerick" but then, I'm really pleased to be the recipient of the books. Lanny, thanks for making them available, and please advise postage cost to Tasmania and I'll fix you up. Regards Steve -------Original Message------- > From: Lanny > Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner > Sent: 09 Mar 2004 18:38:29 > > Greetings list members, > > I kept putting it off, all day, just couldn't get myself to read all > the entries and make a decision, but finally had to do it. > > The winner of the three volume set of "Minerals of Brazil" or in > Portugese "Minerals do Brasil" is Steve at crocoite.com. He won with > the following bad poetry: > > > "Brazilian minerals I've few, not flashy, not older, not new, but I'd > like to read more, from these books to be sure, so my knowledge of > Brazil's minerals can grew." > > There were nine entries, and all were appreciated. This week I have a > warped sense of humor, so bad poetry wins. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 07:05:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Wed Mar 10 07:05:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geochemistry In-Reply-To: <20040310090842.14518.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <200403101502.i2AF2Fxt098196@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> While doing a bit of surfing and research about geochemistry to include in Don and my database (I wanted to add something at least a bit different than other databases) I have run across two goo resources that yall might want to be aware of. The first is a course in Geochemistry with lectures in .pdf files that seems to be a good intro course into the subject with all the lectures. It is from Ken Rubin of the Dept. of Geology & Geophysics SOEST, University of Hawaii. I have only read the first set of lectures but seem to be excellent for non scientist types as well as students. http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/krubin/gg325.html >From this page you can download his entire course lectures. The second is "An Earth Scientist's Periodic Table of the Elements and Their Ions" by L. Bruce Railsback Department of Geology, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia, 30602-2501 U.S.A. http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/PT.html Instructions http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/11111misc/PT47c.pdf a pdf file of his new chart. Very interesting for you members on chemicals. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of magnet > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:09 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner > > Apologies list members. It was an awful "limerick" but then, > I'm really pleased to be the recipient of the books. > > Lanny, thanks for making them available, and please advise > postage cost to Tasmania and I'll fix you up. > > Regards > Steve > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Lanny > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner > > Sent: 09 Mar 2004 18:38:29 > > > > Greetings list members, > > > > I kept putting it off, all day, just couldn't get > myself to read all > > the entries and make a decision, but finally had to do it. > > > > The winner of the three volume set of "Minerals of Brazil" or in > > Portugese "Minerals do Brasil" is Steve at > crocoite.com. He won with > > the following bad poetry: > > > > > > "Brazilian minerals I've few, not flashy, not older, > not new, but I'd > > like to read more, from these books to be sure, so my > knowledge of > > Brazil's minerals can grew." > > > > There were nine entries, and all were appreciated. This > week I have a > > warped sense of humor, so bad poetry wins. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 07:54:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Mar 10 07:54:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309172230.01fb9d38@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040310074755.01f96890@mail.spiritone.com> I forgot about that. My failure to duplicate my mileages at Graveyard Point might have been due to new "fatty" tires too lol. Or as Don hinted I might have been drinking too :)) Don, you hit the nail on the head. One thing I would add is to make sure your GPS is on NAD83 for the data to be more generically useful. Converting from WGS84 to the datum used on the 7.5' maps (NAD83) is a pain in the arse. At 09:45 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a Jeep Cherokee Sport and I go everywhere in it (e.g. the Colorado >mountains). One day I decided to get it lifted by 3 inches and bought >larger tires. But I didn't think of how it would affect the odometer. The >new tires changed the odometer *drastically*! It isn't just a 0.1 mile >difference every couple of miles. I never even thought of this when I was >using some of the field guides for Colorado. I was with a gentleman from >Oregon early last fall and we went looking for the Douglas Pass fossil >location north of Grand Junction, CO. We were looking for a dirt road >turnoff and almost didn't find it because my odometer said "hey, you passed >the dirt road about 0.3 miles ago.", but in reality, we were 0.2 or 0.3 >miles short of it! We finally found the turnoff, found the fossil location, >and found many cool fossils. > >The moral of this story: If you have done *anything* to your vehicle, think >about how it *might* affect your odometer. Don't always blame the author of >the book you are following. Sometimes it's your own darn fault. :-) > >Bob Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 08:10:08 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:10:08 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040310074755.01f96890@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Do y'all know about CORPSCON? It's designed to convert accurately between NAD27 and NAD83. It doesn't do WGS84, unfortunately (it's an older tool) It can be downloaded from: http://crunch.tec.army.mil/software/corpscon/corpscon.html However, GeoTrans, from the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, will convert WGS84 into a wide variety of coordinates. It can be downloaded from: http://earth-info.nima.mil/GandG/geotrans/geotrans.html FWIW, I'm reading emails now on the remotesensing.org pipermail archives that say that ESRI's ArcView 3.3 won't actually do conversions to WGS84 by default, it does the NAD27-NAD83, and calls it 'close enough'. a. > I forgot about that. My failure to duplicate my mileages at Graveyard Point > might have been due to new "fatty" tires too lol. Or as Don hinted I might > have been drinking too :)) > > Don, you hit the nail on the head. One thing I would add is to make sure > your GPS is on NAD83 for the data to be more generically useful. Converting > from WGS84 to the datum used on the 7.5' maps (NAD83) is a pain in the arse. > > At 09:45 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I have a Jeep Cherokee Sport and I go everywhere in it (e.g. the Colorado > >mountains). One day I decided to get it lifted by 3 inches and bought > >larger tires. But I didn't think of how it would affect the odometer. The > >new tires changed the odometer *drastically*! It isn't just a 0.1 mile > >difference every couple of miles. I never even thought of this when I was > >using some of the field guides for Colorado. I was with a gentleman from > >Oregon early last fall and we went looking for the Douglas Pass fossil > >location north of Grand Junction, CO. We were looking for a dirt road > >turnoff and almost didn't find it because my odometer said "hey, you passed > >the dirt road about 0.3 miles ago.", but in reality, we were 0.2 or 0.3 > >miles short of it! We finally found the turnoff, found the fossil location, > >and found many cool fossils. > > > >The moral of this story: If you have done *anything* to your vehicle, think > >about how it *might* affect your odometer. Don't always blame the author of > >the book you are following. Sometimes it's your own darn fault. :-) > > > >Bob > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 08:21:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:21:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Red, green, and black beautiful Stromatolite stone (algal) for Sale. Message-ID: <160.2ca6029c.2d809a4d@aol.com> Exquisite Stromatolite Stone red (jasper replacement) green and black are (quartz replacement). They are museum quality, tubes and eyes are evident throughout. We are a mining marketing/sales group and guarantee quality, all shipments are authenticated by geologist. We ship worldwide, we have quanitys from small crushed rock to table size. we also have finished slabs, tables, spheres, and tumbled. Sincerely; Steve DeLong Crescent Stone Company crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com 888-400-0094 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 08:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan Mine buffs? Message-ID: <1cb.1bb1b58e.2d809c76@aol.com> From: Crescent Stone Company crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com 888-400-0094 What do you have there? Steve DeLong/Owner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 08:38:51 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:38:51 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit In-Reply-To: <20040310020003.9765.84222.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20040310163257.10770.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List: I'm going to be in Houston TX next week, does anyone know of any rockhound activities or attractions going on around Houston Marck 12-19? I'm aware of the Houston Museum, Jeannie's Rock Shop, Collector's Corner rock shop, Houston Rock and Gem association (if that's even the exactly correct name). But if there's a rock show or convention in Houston or nearby, or a dealer I haven't mentioned or a field trip planned, let me know, please. I can't spare a lot of time, but an afternoon would be refreshing. It's just starting to be collecting weather in WV/KY/OH where I usually get into the field. Thanks, everyone J. R. Hodel, Hamlin WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 10:00:37 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Mar 10 10:00:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] joao addad (fwd) Message-ID: Anybody have any leads? a. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:13:51 -0800 From: Margaret Fauchier To: afox@drizzle.com Subject: joao addad Do you know what happened to Joao Addad? I am a sand collector and I am writing to help a fellow collector in France who knew him and wishes to find him or to know what happened to him. Margaret From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 11:08:55 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Wed Mar 10 11:08:55 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit In-Reply-To: <20040310163257.10770.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040310163257.10770.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <404F5F55.3090905@hal-pc.org> J. R. Hodel wrote: >Hi List: > >I'm going to be in Houston TX next week, does anyone know of any rockhound activities or attractions going on around Houston Marck 12-19? > >I'm aware of the Houston Museum, Jeannie's Rock Shop, Collector's Corner rock shop, Houston Rock and Gem association (if that's even the exactly correct name). But if there's a rock show or convention in Houston or nearby, or a dealer I haven't mentioned or a field trip planned, let me know, please. > > > The Houston Gem & Mineral Society has a survey trip to a jurassic fossil location around Post, TX (in association with the Museum) 3/15-3/19. But it is too far out of town to be good for you if interested. The Clear Lake club show was 2 wks ago; I think there is one somewhere in La. soon. The Mineral Section meeting at the clubhouse on 3/17 features a talk "Mystery of the Andes" which seems to be more travel than rocks. The clubhouse shop is open every Saturday from 10am-3pm and usually has a lot of interesting and busy people around. Some interesting ad-hoc diamond equipment has recently been installed. The Museum is always worth a visit for the world-class Hall of Gems exhibit. Not much else is going on right now... e-mail me off-list if you are interested in directions, etc. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 11:20:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Mar 10 11:20:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] National Geographic Topo! References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309172230.01fb9d38@mail.spiritone.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040310074755.01f96890@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <004101c406c0$ccbc5a80$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> I was taught to always measure with the same ruler. While updating and editing a recent field guide we included the caveat, "Your mileage may vary." Besides, when relating our love of rockhounding to a friend he reminded us that,"It's called 'Fishing' not 'Catching'." John Santa, ID From: "Tim Fisher" > I forgot about that. My failure to duplicate my mileages at Graveyard Point > might have been due to new "fatty" tires too lol. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 14:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geochemistry Message-ID: <031020042252.26788.96d@att.net> Hi Tommy, Something you might like to know about (if you don't already) is the "National Geochemical Survey" database, recently posted online by the USGS. It has some limitations (particularly that it only includes stream sediment + a few soil samples, not rock samples), but it is a source for geochemical analyses (of sediment) from all over the U.S. It is online at, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/geochem/ ---Pete Modreski, USGS, Denver CO > While doing a bit of surfing and research about geochemistry to include in > Don and my database (I wanted to add something at least a bit different than > other databases) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 15:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spring Field Trips NEUS Message-ID: <404FA032.7040500@epix.net> I don't know if it made the list yet but I have word on 3 field trips of interest to fluorescent collectors in the North East US(NEUS). I am announcing early so you can make plans. The Annual Trotter Dump Day/Night Dig is in Franklin, NJ on the April 24-25, 2004 It is $20 includes admission to the Trotter Site and Buckwheat Dump(Day Only) at the Franklin Mineral museum. Sunday the Sterling Hill Dumps($10 includes 10#s of material)(Day Only) are open so one can collect 3 locales over the Weekend. You must be a paid up, card carrying member, of an EFMLS associated club as proof of insurance--OR you can join the Delaware Valley Earth Science Society(DVESS) on the spot for an additional $24. There also is the 32nd annual NJESA Gem and Mineral Show that weekend and motels will fill up fast. The Franklin, Odgensburg Mineral Society(FOMS) has secured another field trip to the Limecrest Quarry on June 20th. This classic locale was closed a couple years during an ownership change or so I was told. FOMS members only. See link for membership application note also (Hamburg Quarry Hamburg, NJ April 17th, 2004 the week before) I encourage anyone else to announce field trips, points of contact, and attandance requirements (when known) as early as possible for the enthusiast who have to travel several days to get there. I am using the Codes NE, SE, SW, NW,MID SOUTH etc--US,( ONT,MSH etc for Canada) to help keep track of the region should anyone else care to follow suit. Regards, Elton From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 15:53:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:53:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge was ..National Geographic ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404FAA90.3040106@epix.net> Interesting artifact of using GPS that many folks don't know. The tidal bulge of the earth, depending on your latitude and slope, can displace one's previous GPS fix but as much as 120 feet(?), I believe. The steeper the slope the more lateral error. Since I am usually leaving the dig at last light after I've done a UV scan, I agree the GPS can keep you from having to wait till morning to get out of the bush safely--or get you back to that bucket you set down when you opted to pick up on your way out. Elton Jhbnyc@aol.com wrote: > When out bushwhacking, looking for new locations, I use GPS to find my > car again.I still rely on a bearing-compass and altimeter for fixing > position of a location (much more accurate in mountainous territory > than GPS). > >John Betts > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 17:03:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 10 17:03:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan Mine buffs? References: <1cb.1bb1b58e.2d809c76@aol.com> Message-ID: <404FBAA4.6226@Tomaszewski.net> CrescentStoneINC@aol.com wrote: > > From: Crescent Stone Company > crescentstoneinc@aol.com > www.crescentstone.com > 888-400-0094 > > What do you have there? > > Steve DeLong/Owner > What are you looking for? Michigan actually has a lot of minerals. Starting at the top, the Keweenaw copper district has around a hundred different minerals that have been found. See MinRec vol 23 #2 for details. The nearby iron district has a few dozen more minerals. There is at least one gold mine in the area too. As with any area, many/most minerals are rare, and you are going to have to spend time if you want to get past the more common ores. Access to mines is generally difficult, and dumps continue towards no access (without help of a club). But you can still find many places to collect. Much of the rest of the state is more mundane with limestone (some with celestite), dolomite, sandstone, gypsum, and salt mines. BTW, it is more than a 12 hour drive in Michigan to get from copper to salt mines, so you can't do the state in a day. LOTS of gravel and sand is mined thanks to the glaciers that used to occupy the state; you can find just about anything in our gravel if you take the time to look. And if you do go thru upper Michigan, the Seaman Mineral Museum is worthy of a visit (but make sure they will be open when you are coming thru). The state also has a number of good rock shops that can help with specifics (many are online too). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 18:45:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Mar 10 18:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge was ..National Geographic ... In-Reply-To: <404FAA90.3040106@epix.net> References: <404FAA90.3040106@epix.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040310183551.01fa4d78@mail.spiritone.com> That is not true. The tidal bulge effects the earth by raising the lithosphere about one foot; the satellites are of course effected more seriously but the interpretation of the signals by your GPS automatically compensates for the effect of varying distance from the satellite's theoretical orbit. That's why more satellites is better. The major source of error in GPS measurements is actually the troposphere, which can delay or speed up the microwave signals so that the net effect is an error of about 20 meters, which, coincidentally, is the average GDOP (Geometric Dilution Of Precision) caused by the satellites never being in an optimal position for accuracy. In other words, these errors usually cancel each other out. At 03:53 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >Interesting artifact of using GPS that many folks don't know. The tidal >bulge of the earth, depending on your latitude and slope, can displace >one's previous GPS fix but as much as 120 feet(?), I believe. The steeper >the slope the more lateral error. > >Since I am usually leaving the dig at last light after I've done a UV >scan, I agree the GPS can keep you from having to wait till morning to get >out of the bush safely--or get you back to that bucket you set down when >you opted to pick up on your way out. > >Elton > >Jhbnyc@aol.com wrote: > >>When out bushwhacking, looking for new locations, I use GPS to find my >>car again.I still rely on a bearing-compass and altimeter for fixing >>position of a location (much more accurate in mountainous territory than GPS). >> >>John Betts >> >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 19:07:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Faceter01) Date: Wed Mar 10 19:07:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner References: Message-ID: Hi, I was recently given a copy of this three book set, "Minerals do Brasil," and Steve, you will enjoy them. (I don't think they'll help your poetry though) Ron > Greetings list members, > > I kept putting it off, all day, just couldn't get myself to read all > the entries and make a decision, but finally had to do it. > > The winner of the three volume set of "Minerals of Brazil" or in > Portugese "Minerals do Brasil" is Steve at crocoite.com. He won with > the following bad poetry: From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 22:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Chris Auer) Date: Wed Mar 10 22:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Adam Minerals References: <400D7152@webmail.dal.ca> Message-ID: <006001c4072f$cc5ef8d0$999dda3e@chris> Hi List, Has someone a phone number from Adam Larson (Adam`s Minerals). Please contact me offline at chris@wulfenite.com Chris Auer ======================== http://www.wulfenite.com http://www.minerlamps.com ======================== From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 10 23:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Wed Mar 10 23:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner Message-ID: <20040311074532.8374.qmail@webmachine101.com> Thanks Ron - I'm sure I will enjoy them. "Poetry" was never, ever my strong point! Regards Steve -------Original Message------- > From: Faceter01 > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Brazil books winner > Sent: 10 Mar 2004 17:06:02 > > Hi, I was recently given a copy of this three book set, "Minerals do > Brasil," and Steve, you will enjoy them. > > (I don't think they'll help your poetry though) > > Ron --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 01:51:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Demeulemeester, Pierre) Date: Thu Mar 11 01:51:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit Message-ID: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A551313001457A52@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> Perhaps this can help Mr Hodel :=20 Where to find beautiful fossilized woods near (?) Houston : http://www.cmpb.net/en/petrifiedwood.php I insert also the remarkable article of Mr Marc Jauniaux on the = subject. "Cordiales salutations" from Belgium Pierre Demeulemeester Rue des P=EAchers 10 B1120 - Brussels (Belgium) E-mail : pierre.demeulemeester@solvay.com -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:jabac@hal-pc.org]=20 Sent: mercredi 10 mars 2004 19:33 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit J. R. Hodel wrote: >Hi List: >=20 >I'm going to be in Houston TX next week, does anyone know of any = rockhound activities or attractions going on around Houston Marck 12-19? >=20 >I'm aware of the Houston Museum, Jeannie's Rock Shop, Collector's = Corner rock shop, Houston Rock and Gem association (if that's even the exactly correct name). But if there's a rock show or convention in Houston or nearby, or a dealer I haven't mentioned or a field trip planned, let me know, please. > > =20 > The Houston Gem & Mineral Society has a survey trip to a jurassic = fossil=20 location around Post, TX (in association with the Museum) 3/15-3/19.=20 But it is too far out of town to be good for you if interested. The=20 Clear Lake club show was 2 wks ago; I think there is one somewhere in=20 La. soon. =20 The Mineral Section meeting at the clubhouse on 3/17 features a talk=20 "Mystery of the Andes" which seems to be more travel than rocks. The=20 clubhouse shop is open every Saturday from 10am-3pm and usually has a=20 lot of interesting and busy people around. Some interesting ad-hoc=20 diamond equipment has recently been installed. The Museum is always worth a visit for the world-class Hall of Gems = exhibit. Not much else is going on right now... e-mail me off-list if you are=20 interested in directions, etc. john _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=20 This e-mail is confidential.=20 If you are not the addressee or an authorized recipient of this = message,=20 any distribution, copying, publication or use of this information for = any=20 purpose is prohibited.=20 Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and then delete this = message. Ce message est confidentiel.=20 Si vous n'=EAtes pas le destinataire d=E9sign=E9 de ce message ou une = personne=20 autoris=E9e =E0 l'utiliser, toute distribution, copie, publication ou = usage =E0=20 quelques fins que ce soit des informations contenues dans ce message = sont=20 interdits.=20 Merci d'informer imm=E9diatement l'exp=E9diteur par messagerie = =E9lectronique et=20 d'ensuite d=E9truire ce message.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/msword --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 05:45:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu Mar 11 05:45:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Royal Ontario Museum bags two top collections! Message-ID: <00a701c40770$4a6e7120$5506efd1@oemcomputer> More exciting news from Toronto, Canada - mineral capital of the world. (The serandite xl mentioned is on the cover of the Min Rec Saint-Hilaire issue... wow!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Douglas" To: "Ontario Rocks" Sent: March 10, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: [OntRocks] ROM aquires two of the world's top mineral collections > The following is from a ROM media release at http://www.rom.on.ca/news/releases/public.php?mediakey=bno3zng93n > > > ROM Acquires Two of the World's Top Mineral Collections > > 2,400 rare and remarkable specimens significantly boost one of > North America's best mineral collections > > The Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) has acquired collections from two of the world's most famous mineral producing localities. The acquisition of the Namibian Mineral Collection and the Mont Saint-Hilaire Suite of Minerals strengthens one of the top five mineral collections in North America and reaffirms the ROM's international reputation as a leader in the field of mineralogy. > > Consisting of over 2,200 display and reference minerals from the Tsumeb mine in Namibia, the Namibian Mineral Collection brings together spectacular examples from a site renowned for its rare and beautifully coloured specimens. The Mont Saint-Hilaire Suite of Minerals is the finest group of specimens ever to become available from the world famous Mont Saint-Hilaire locality in Quebec, and consists of almost 200 of the highest display quality minerals. > > "These two acquisitions, made possible through the ROM's Louise Hawley Stone Charitable Trust Strategic Acquisitions Fund as well as the generosity of private donors, will significantly enhance the ROM's already outstanding Earth Sciences holdings," noted ROM Director & CEO William Thorsell. "These beautiful minerals tell an important story about the earth's history, and we look forward to sharing them with the public through Renaissance ROM." > > A selection of specimens from each of these collections will be displayed in the ROM's upcoming new Inco Limited Gallery of Earth's Treasures, a 7,000 square foot gallery opening December 2006 as part of the Museum's major capital transformation, Renaissance ROM. > > The Louise Hawley Stone Charitable Trust supported the purchase of both collections. Established by the late ROM benefactor Louise Hawley Stone, who bequeathed a $45 million to the Museum in April 1998, the Trust funds the purchase of objects and the production of Museum publications. > > Jean-Raymond Boulle helped kick off the drive to purchase the Namibian Mineral Collection through a substantial personal donation. Mr. Boulle is a well known mining figure throughout the world with many mining successes to his name, including the founding of Diamond Fields Resources, which discovered the Voisey's Bay nickel deposit. He stated "I was delighted to assist the ROM in acquiring this very significant collection, and am pleased that they will be available for future generations to enjoy." > > Longtime ROM supporter Donald Ross assisted the Museum in attracting additional private donations from new donors to the Museum. > > Charles Key, from whom the ROM acquired a very important collection of Canadian minerals in 2000, assembled the Namibian Mineral Collection over a span of three decades. Selected highlights from the Namibian Mineral Collection include: > · A legrandite discovered in 1992 at the incredible depth of four thousand feet, in the third oxide zone of the Tsumeb mine. Well-developed crystals of legrandite are exceedingly rare, and this mineral will be the best example of its type in the ROM?s collection. > · A rosasite consisting of microscopic sky-blue crystals grown on botryoidal green malachite, which in turn is perched atop bladed cerussite crystals. Attractive specimens of rosasite are very difficult to obtain. > · A calcite on mottramite, with an aesthetically balanced, undamaged covering of transparent calcite crystals over a bed of dendritic, moss-green mottramite, a lead vanadate mineral. This mineral is highly desirable as a calcite specimen, and combined with some of the world's best mottramite, it makes a truly stunning piece. > > The Mont Saint-Hilaire Suite of Minerals from Quebec was collected by Rod and Helen Tyson, and includes a palm-sized, diamond-shaped twin of the rare mineral serandite, the most iconic specimen from the Mont Saint-Hilaire locality. This collection was sought after by a number of US museums and collectors, and the ROM achieved a major coup in acquiring it. These new specimens contribute to the ROM's status as holder of the world's pre-eminent collection of Canadian minerals, and a significant collection of minerals from around the world. > > > > -- > Stephen Douglas > Editor, Pink Dolomite Saddle Newsletter > Director, Niagara Peninsula Geological Society > http://www.iaw.com/~jime/ > stephendouglas@sympatico.ca > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 08:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Thu Mar 11 08:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040310183551.01fa4d78@mail.spiritone.com> References: <404FAA90.3040106@epix.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20040310183551.01fa4d78@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <40508D89.4010409@epix.net> Thanks Tim for the correct information. Sorry about giving out misinformation,I try to never do so. I was relying on ancient memory from my ordnance days. Perhaps it was discussing a circular error of probability. For some reason I believed that there could be a substantial linear displacement of high peaks such that a GPS "fix" from one time of year could vary with a "fix" taken on the same spot another time of year. I can't find anything on the net to support this. So with today's commercial technology are we saying that a measured fix from a spot on the ground will never exceed 20 meters from any other fix? Elton Tim Fisher wrote: > That is not true. The tidal bulge effects the earth by raising the > lithosphere about one foot; the satellites are of course effected more > seriously but the interpretation of the signals by your GPS > automatically compensates for the effect of varying distance from the > satellite's theoretical orbit. That's why more satellites is better. > The major source of error in GPS measurements is actually the > troposphere, which can delay or speed up the microwave signals so that > the net effect is an error of about 20 meters, which, coincidentally, > is the average GDOP (Geometric Dilution Of Precision) caused by the > satellites never being in an optimal position for accuracy. In other > words, these errors usually cancel each other out. > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 08:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Thu Mar 11 08:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit In-Reply-To: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A551313001457A52@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> References: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A551313001457A52@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> Message-ID: <40509728.70402@hal-pc.org> Demeulemeester, Pierre wrote: >Perhaps this can help Mr Hodel : >Where to find beautiful fossilized woods near (?) Houston : > http://www.cmpb.net/en/petrifiedwood.php >I insert also the remarkable article of Mr Marc Jauniaux on the subject. >"Cordiales salutations" from Belgium >Pierre Demeulemeester >Rue des Pêchers 10 >B1120 - Brussels (Belgium) >E-mail : pierre.demeulemeester@solvay.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:jabac@hal-pc.org] >Sent: mercredi 10 mars 2004 19:33 >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit > >J. R. Hodel wrote: > > > >>Hi List: >> >>I'm going to be in Houston TX next week, does anyone know of any rockhound >> >> >activities or attractions going on around Houston Marck 12-19? > > >>I'm aware of the Houston Museum, Jeannie's Rock Shop, Collector's Corner >> >> >rock shop, Houston Rock and Gem association (if that's even the exactly >correct name). But if there's a rock show or convention >in Houston or nearby, or a dealer I haven't mentioned or a field trip >planned, let me know, please. > > >> >> >> >> > >The Houston Gem & Mineral Society has a survey trip to a jurassic fossil >location around Post, TX (in association with the Museum) 3/15-3/19. > But it is too far out of town to be good for you if interested. The >Clear Lake club show was 2 wks ago; I think there is one somewhere in >La. soon. > >The Mineral Section meeting at the clubhouse on 3/17 features a talk >"Mystery of the Andes" which seems to be more travel than rocks. The >clubhouse shop is open every Saturday from 10am-3pm and usually has a >lot of interesting and busy people around. Some interesting ad-hoc >diamond equipment has recently been installed. > >The Museum is always worth a visit for the world-class Hall of Gems exhibit. > >Not much else is going on right now... e-mail me off-list if you are >interested in directions, etc. > >john > > Check out www.hgms.org, the Houston Gem & Mineral Society website. Under the trips section is a map to Whiskey Bridge (so named because the A&M students could get legal beer on the other side of the bridge) for fossils and a pictorial list of what can be found there; also pictures of the College Station petrified wood trips as mentioned above. Both these locations are in the same area, about 2-3 hrs NW of Houston and are doable with a little planning. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 09:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge was ..National Geographic ... Message-ID: <031120041750.13232.7d9e@att.net> Hi, List, Another addition to Tim Fisher's resply on this, in addition to the random errors, systematic differences exist between elevation measured by GPS and what a map will show. The USGS has a good set of FAQ's and other info about use of GPS, on the web at, http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/public/outreach/gps/gps_questions_and_answers.html among which you can read, ***************** 14. Why don't the elevations on your maps agree with those provided by my GPS system? Which ones are correct? GPS heights are based on an ellipsoid (a mathematical representation the earth’s shape), while USGS map elevations are based on a vertical datum tied to the geoid (or what we commonly call mean sea level). Basically they are two different systems, although they have a relationship that has been modeled. The main source of error has to do with the arrangement of the satellite configurations during fix determinations. The earth blocks out satellites needed to get a good quality vertical measurement. Once the vertical datum is taken into account, the accuracy permitted by geometry considerations remains less than that of horizontal positions. It is not uncommon for satellite heights to be off from map elevations by +/- 400 ft. Use these values with caution when navigating. GPS units do not replace basic map and compass skills! *************** So for each location there will be a systematic discrepancy between GPS elevations and those shown on a topo map, in addition to the random factors. I know that here in Colorado, it typically amounts to, as I recall, something on the order of 50 feet. I just conferred with two of my colleagues here at the USGS and we just did a little experiment and went outside out building to take measurements with 3 GPS units by a special benchmark control point we have here at the Federal Center in Lakewood CO (it's set in concrete & protected by a hinged cover, like a water meter). The benchmark's elevation (ref. to the NAD83 datum) is given as 5660 feet, which agrees with what is shown for this location on the Morrison, CO 7.5-minute topo map (NAD27 datum, but which as I understand it, doesn't differ very much in elevation from NAD83; looking at the contour lines on the map, I'd read our location as about 5670 feet). The ellipsoid height (on which GPS readings are based) is given as 1708.89 m = 5606 feet at this location. In theory that should mean that a GPS can be expected to read consistently low by about 55 feet compared to the elevation shown on the topo map. The readings we got on our three GPS units, lying them on the ground next to the benchmark, were, 5670' (varying by about +/- 20') 5680' (varying by about +/- 20') 5710' (varying by about +/- 30') The third of these measurements, the highest and varying the most, was my own unit which is an older one, a Garmin model 38, which only gets 8 satellites; the other two were newer units, with more satellites and "differential correction". So actually this surprised us, because our measurements almost agreed with the topo map elevation, being high by 10-20-50 feet respectively, whereas in theory they should have rather been low by 54 feet. We are still puzzling over that one! The two colleagues are people who teach seminars in GPS use to the public, so again in theory, between us we should know everything about exactly how this works. Perhaps the elevation reading given by the GPS is not exactly that of the ellipsoid, but it adjusted from it in some additional way that we don't quite understand. It just goes to show that... GPS locations are never going to be exact (especially in elevation), and... few of us understand perfectly all the factors involved! (even when we think we do?) And in case anyone is interested, the location where we just made these measurements is at about (from topozone.com, NAD83), let's see, I'll give it in D/M/S, N 39 deg 42' 47", W 105 deg 7' 34" (my GPS gave the loc. as 39 deg 42' 46", 105 deg 7' 35"). This is in the NE corner of the Morrison 7.5-minute quadrangle, Colorado, and it's on the southwest side of the large black building shown at the SW corner of the Denver Federal Center, just east of the 5680' contour line; this building happens to our Building 810, which is where the USGS Map Sales office is located, for those who may have visited here. cheers, Pete Modreski, USGS, Denver CO From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 10:26:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Mar 11 10:26:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] joao addad (fwd) References: Message-ID: <000d01c40794$9873d9e0$ed4227c4@horstspc> Hi everybody, Joao Addad was also a member of SAND COLLECTORS INTERNATIONAL (of which I am the contact person). The last letter I had from Joao was dated 25th April 2001. Soon after that correspondence (air mail) was returned and his e-mails could not be delivered. Carla Lagendijk (living in Holland) had also been in regular contact with him, also had the same non-delivery problems and eventually we came to the conclusion that he must have passed away. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: "Rockhounds mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] joao addad (fwd) > Anybody have any leads? > > a. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:13:51 -0800 > From: Margaret Fauchier > To: afox@drizzle.com > Subject: joao addad > > Do you know what happened to Joao Addad? I am a sand collector and I am > writing to help a fellow collector in France who knew him and wishes to > find him or to know what happened to him. Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 11:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Thu Mar 11 11:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit References: <20040311020002.17946.16760.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4050BE58.E55BB396@earthlink.net> If you are in the SE part of the city, you can come to our Rock Club meeting on Monday, 7:30 PM (for free): http://www.ghg.net/gpenning/clgms.htm If you have to drive across town for this, it may not be worth your while. Houston is BIG. Let me know if you can make it and I'll send you a map of the meeting location. Mike Flannigan rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:32:57 -0800 (PST) > From: "J. R. Hodel" > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Houston TX visit > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Hi List: > > I'm going to be in Houston TX next week, does anyone know of any rockhound activities or attractions going on around Houston Marck 12-19? > > I'm aware of the Houston Museum, Jeannie's Rock Shop, Collector's Corner rock shop, Houston Rock and Gem association (if that's even the exactly correct name). But if there's a rock show or convention in Houston or nearby, or a dealer I haven't mentioned or a field trip planned, let me know, please. > > I can't spare a lot of time, but an afternoon would be refreshing. It's just starting to be collecting weather in WV/KY/OH where I usually get into the field. > > Thanks, everyone > > J. R. Hodel, > Hamlin WV From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 11:45:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 11 11:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge In-Reply-To: <40508D89.4010409@epix.net> References: <404FAA90.3040106@epix.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20040310183551.01fa4d78@mail.spiritone.com> <40508D89.4010409@epix.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040311113605.01f8dbd0@mail.spiritone.com> There are a whole bunch of "if's" attached to that but yes if you have good satellite coverage (4+) the error is almost surely going to be less than 20 meters. Positional averaging works great if your GPS can do it; mine calculates error based on real data plus some assumptions (there are websites that deal with error calculation by different brands ad nauseam) and the reported "error" decreases to a vanishingly small distance after a minute or so of averaging readings. And as Pete pointed out that does NOT apply to the vertical! I don't even save elevations recorded by my GPS; they are useless for locating yourself on a 7.5' topo. At 08:02 AM 3/11/2004, you wrote: >Thanks Tim for the correct information. Sorry about giving out >misinformation,I try to never do so. I was relying on ancient memory >from my ordnance days. Perhaps it was discussing a circular error of >probability. For some reason I believed that there could be a substantial >linear displacement of high peaks such that a GPS "fix" from one time of >year could vary with a "fix" taken on the same spot another time of year. >I can't find anything on the net to support this. >So with today's commercial technology are we saying that a measured fix >from a spot on the ground will never exceed 20 meters from any other fix? > >Elton > > > >Tim Fisher wrote: > >>That is not true. The tidal bulge effects the earth by raising the >>lithosphere about one foot; the satellites are of course effected more >>seriously but the interpretation of the signals by your GPS automatically >>compensates for the effect of varying distance from the satellite's >>theoretical orbit. That's why more satellites is better. The major source >>of error in GPS measurements is actually the troposphere, which can delay >>or speed up the microwave signals so that the net effect is an error of >>about 20 meters, which, coincidentally, is the average GDOP (Geometric >>Dilution Of Precision) caused by the satellites never being in an optimal >>position for accuracy. In other words, these errors usually cancel each >>other out. >> >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 14:13:41 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:13:41 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge was ..National Geographic ... In-Reply-To: <031120041750.13232.7d9e@att.net> References: <031120041750.13232.7d9e@att.net> Message-ID: These explanations are also leaving out one simple factor in a GPS measurement of elevation. GPS measurements are done by triangulation, and in triangulation, the greater the angles between the three or more points the better. This works well for the horizontal with the satellites scattered across the sky, but for vertical measurements, the vertical difference between those same satellites may not be much of a difference, making it less likely that the GPS elevation is computing within a small error factor, thus the statement of #14 in the FAQ about the error commonly being 400 feet or more. In my own experience over the last decade with GPS, an elevation reading is usually incorrect (as compared to a 7.5 min topo) by several hundred feet, often by nearly 1,000 feet. So, like Tim said, ignore the elevation. Or, buy a GPS unit with a built in aneroid barometer/altimeter (and remember to calibrate it each day, or more). Lanny On Mar 11, 2004, at 9:50 AM, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Hi, List, > Another addition to Tim Fisher's resply on this, in addition to the > random errors, systematic differences exist between elevation measured > by GPS and what a map will show. The USGS has a good set of FAQ's and > other info about use of GPS, on the web at, > http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/public/outreach/gps/ > gps_questions_and_answers.html > among which you can read, > > ***************** > 14. Why don't the elevations on your maps agree with those provided by > my GPS system? Which ones are correct? > GPS heights are based on an ellipsoid (a mathematical representation > the earth’s shape), while USGS map elevations are based on a vertical > datum tied to the geoid (or what we commonly call mean sea level). > Basically they are two different systems, although they have a > relationship that has been modeled. The main source of error has to > do with the arrangement of the satellite configurations during fix > determinations. The earth blocks out satellites needed to get a good > quality vertical measurement. Once the vertical datum is taken into > account, the accuracy permitted by geometry considerations remains > less than that of horizontal positions. It is not uncommon for > satellite heights to be off from map elevations by +/- 400 ft. Use > these values with caution when navigating. GPS units do not replace > basic map and compass skills! > *************** > > So for each location there will be a systematic discrepancy between > GPS elevations and those shown on a topo map, in addition to the > random factors. I know that here in Colorado, it typically amounts > to, as I recall, something on the order of 50 feet. > > I just conferred with two of my colleagues here at the USGS and we > just did a little experiment and went outside out building to take > measurements with 3 GPS units by a special benchmark control point we > have here at the Federal Center in Lakewood CO (it's set in concrete & > protected by a hinged cover, like a water meter). The benchmark's > elevation (ref. to the NAD83 datum) is given as 5660 feet, which > agrees with what is shown for this location on the Morrison, CO > 7.5-minute topo map (NAD27 datum, but which as I understand it, > doesn't differ very much in elevation from NAD83; looking at the > contour lines on the map, I'd read our location as about 5670 feet). > The ellipsoid height (on which GPS readings are based) is given as > 1708.89 m = 5606 feet at this location. In theory that should mean > that a GPS can be expected to read consistently low by about 55 feet > compared to the elevation shown on the topo map. The readings we got > on our three GPS units, lying them on the gro! > und next to the benchmark, were, > > 5670' (varying by about +/- 20') > 5680' (varying by about +/- 20') > 5710' (varying by about +/- 30') > > The third of these measurements, the highest and varying the most, was > my own unit which is an older one, a Garmin model 38, which only gets > 8 satellites; the other two were newer units, with more satellites and > "differential correction". > > So actually this surprised us, because our measurements almost agreed > with the topo map elevation, being high by 10-20-50 feet respectively, > whereas in theory they should have rather been low by 54 feet. We are > still puzzling over that one! The two colleagues are people who teach > seminars in GPS use to the public, so again in theory, between us we > should know everything about exactly how this works. Perhaps the > elevation reading given by the GPS is not exactly that of the > ellipsoid, but it adjusted from it in some additional way that we > don't quite understand. > > It just goes to show that... GPS locations are never going to be exact > (especially in elevation), and... few of us understand perfectly all > the factors involved! (even when we think we do?) > > And in case anyone is interested, the location where we just made > these measurements is at about (from topozone.com, NAD83), let's see, > I'll give it in D/M/S, N 39 deg 42' 47", W 105 deg 7' 34" (my GPS gave > the loc. as 39 deg 42' 46", 105 deg 7' 35"). This is in the NE corner > of the Morrison 7.5-minute quadrangle, Colorado, and it's on the > southwest side of the large black building shown at the SW corner of > the Denver Federal Center, just east of the 5680' contour line; this > building happens to our Building 810, which is where the USGS Map > Sales office is located, for those who may have visited here. > > cheers, Pete Modreski, USGS, Denver CO > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 14:56:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:56:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS References: <404FAA90.3040106@epix.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20040310183551.01fa4d78@mail.spiritone.com> <40508D89.4010409@epix.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20040311113605.01f8dbd0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <4050E694.24F4@rcn.com> Hello for those of you who know something about GPS What would be a good GPS not too expensive not knowing exactly what I want/need mostly to know exactly where I am re collecting minerals etc. and can tell someone else how to get there... or find a 'spot' I learned about.... sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight across country) when I see something interesting below.... I assume - would not work well in an airplane - if at all... Thankzzz GeorgiaO __..--..__..--.__..--..__ Tim Fisher wrote: There are a whole bunch of "if's" attached to that but yes if you have good satellite coverage (4+) the error is almost surely going to be less than 20 meters. Positional averaging works great if your GPS can do it; mine calculates error based on real data plus some assumptions (there are websites that deal with error calculation by different brands ad nauseam) and the reported "error" decreases to a vanishingly small distance after a minute or so of averaging readings. And as Pete pointed out that does NOT apply to the vertical! I don't even save elevations recorded by my GPS; they are useless for locating yourself on a 7.5' topo. At 08:02 AM 3/11/2004, you wrote: Thanks Tim for the correct information. Sorry about giving out misinformation,I try to never do so. I was relying on ancient memory from my ordnance days. Perhaps it was discussing a circular error of probability. For some reason I believed that there could be a substantial linear displacement of high peaks such that a GPS "fix" from one time of year could vary with a "fix" taken on the same spot another time of year. I can't find anything on the net to support this. So with today's commercial technology are we saying that a measured fix from a spot on the ground will never exceed 20 meters from any other fix? Elton Tim Fisher wrote: That is not true. The tidal bulge effects the earth by raising the lithosphere about one foot; the satellites are of course effected more seriously but the interpretation of the signals by your GPS automatically compensates for the effect of varying distance from the satellite's theoretical orbit. That's why more satellites is better. The major source of error in GPS measurements is actually the troposphere, which can delay or speed up the microwave signals so that the net effect is an error of about 20 meters, which, coincidentally, is the average GDOP (Geometric Dilution Of Precision) caused by the satellites never being in an optimal position for accuracy. In other words, these errors usually cancel each other out. _______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 15:23:38 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 11 15:23:38 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: <4050E694.24F4@rcn.com> Message-ID: If you aren't interested in a lot of bells and whistles then either of the two major brands will work just fine, Garmin and Magellan. Search for the best price and whatever features you need, a basic unit works well for me, I have a Garmin. You can also get a pc-card version that will plug into your notebook computer, if you have a notebook, and will interface with Delorme mapping software. I think they sell a package with the software and gps pc-card. Check discounters like Walmart and such, they have Garmins for $140 or so. Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Frederick > Olmstead > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 17:22 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS > > > Hello > for those of you who know something about GPS > > What would be a good GPS > > not too expensive > > not knowing exactly what I want/need > > mostly to know exactly where I am > re collecting minerals etc. and > can tell someone else how to get there... > or find a 'spot' I learned about.... > > sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight > across country) when I see something interesting > below.... I assume - would not work well in an > airplane - if at all... > > Thankzzz > > GeorgiaO > > __..--..__..--.__..--..__ > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > There are a whole bunch of "if's" attached to that but yes if you have > good satellite coverage (4+) the error is almost surely going to be less > than 20 meters. Positional averaging works great if your GPS can do it; > mine calculates error based on real data plus some assumptions (there > are websites that deal with error calculation by different brands ad > nauseam) and the reported "error" decreases to a vanishingly small > distance after a minute or so of averaging readings. And as Pete pointed > out that does NOT apply to the vertical! I don't even save elevations > recorded by my GPS; they are useless for locating yourself on a 7.5' > topo. > > At 08:02 AM 3/11/2004, you wrote: > Thanks Tim for the correct information. Sorry about giving out > misinformation,I try to never do so. I was relying on ancient memory > from my ordnance days. Perhaps it was discussing a circular error of > probability. For some reason I believed that there could be a > substantial linear displacement of high peaks such that a GPS "fix" from > one time of year could vary with a "fix" taken on the same spot another > time of year. > I can't find anything on the net to support this. > So with today's commercial technology are we saying that a measured fix > from a spot on the ground will never exceed 20 meters from any other > fix? > > Elton > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > That is not true. The tidal bulge effects the earth by raising the > lithosphere about one foot; the satellites are of course effected more > seriously but the interpretation of the signals by your GPS > automatically compensates for the effect of varying distance from the > satellite's theoretical orbit. That's why more satellites is better. The > major source of error in GPS measurements is actually the troposphere, > which can delay or speed up the microwave signals so that the net effect > is an error of about 20 meters, which, coincidentally, is the average > GDOP (Geometric Dilution Of Precision) caused by the satellites never > being in an optimal position for accuracy. In other words, these errors > usually cancel each other out. > > _______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD > > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > > Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > > Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 15:36:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Thu Mar 11 15:36:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] gracias - GPS References: Message-ID: <4050FAB3.69E3@rcn.com> From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 15:44:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Mar 11 15:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: <4050E694.24F4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20040311234341.49517.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Hi! I carry in my backpack a Garmin GPS 76 unit, it was inexpensive and gives you basic data fast and accurate. Virginia Friedman --- Frederick Olmstead wrote: > Hello > for those of you who know something about GPS > > What would be a good GPS > > not too expensive > > not knowing exactly what I want/need > > mostly to know exactly where I am > re collecting minerals etc. and > can tell someone else how to get there... > or find a 'spot' I learned about.... > > sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight > across country) when I see something interesting > below.... I assume - would not work well in an > airplane - if at all... > > Thankzzz > > GeorgiaO > > __..--..__..--.__..--..__ > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > There are a whole bunch of "if's" attached to that > but yes if you have > good satellite coverage (4+) the error is almost > surely going to be less > than 20 meters. Positional averaging works great if > your GPS can do it; > mine calculates error based on real data plus some > assumptions (there > are websites that deal with error calculation by > different brands ad > nauseam) and the reported "error" decreases to a > vanishingly small > distance after a minute or so of averaging readings. > And as Pete pointed > out that does NOT apply to the vertical! I don't > even save elevations > recorded by my GPS; they are useless for locating > yourself on a 7.5' > topo. > > At 08:02 AM 3/11/2004, you wrote: > Thanks Tim for the correct information. Sorry about > giving out > misinformation,I try to never do so. I was relying > on ancient memory > from my ordnance days. Perhaps it was discussing a > circular error of > probability. For some reason I believed that there > could be a > substantial linear displacement of high peaks such > that a GPS "fix" from > one time of year could vary with a "fix" taken on > the same spot another > time of year. > I can't find anything on the net to support this. > So with today's commercial technology are we saying > that a measured fix > from a spot on the ground will never exceed 20 > meters from any other > fix? > > Elton > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > That is not true. The tidal bulge effects the earth > by raising the > lithosphere about one foot; the satellites are of > course effected more > seriously but the interpretation of the signals by > your GPS > automatically compensates for the effect of varying > distance from the > satellite's theoretical orbit. That's why more > satellites is better. The > major source of error in GPS measurements is > actually the troposphere, > which can delay or speed up the microwave signals so > that the net effect > is an error of about 20 meters, which, > coincidentally, is the average > GDOP (Geometric Dilution Of Precision) caused by the > satellites never > being in an optimal position for accuracy. In other > words, these errors > usually cancel each other out. > > _______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: > http://OreRockOn.com/CD > > Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary > > Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers > > Fossils & Other Stuff: > http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale > > Rockhound's Bookstore: > http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 16:49:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Mar 11 16:49:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Message-ID: > >sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight >across country) when I see something interesting >below.... I assume - would not work well in an >airplane - if at all... > I wonder if it would be like the cell phone thing, not having it turned on during the flight? _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 17:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Mar 11 17:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those interested in a good, general introduction to GPS theory and practice, may I suggest the following: ----------------------------------------------- Letham, L., 2002. GPS made easy. Using the Global Positioning System in the outdoors. Third Edition. The Mountaineers. Seattle. 112p. ISBN: 0898868025 Peter Dana's GPS Overview: http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html A good general GPS and GPS applications overview: http://www.beyonddiscovery.org/content/view.article.asp?a=458 Estimating your GPS Reciever's Accuracy: http://www.edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_accuracy.html More Accurate GPS WAAS: http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html http://gps.faa.gov/Programs/WAAS/waas-text.htm RTK: http://www.nap.usace.army.mil/channel/em/16.pdf DGPS (basics): http://www.edu-observatory.org/gps/dgps.html http://www.trimble.com/gps/codevscarrier.html http://dfs.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~maoxc/its/gps1/node9.html Atomic Clocks and Precise Timekeeping (required for GPS) http://whyfiles.org/078time/2.html http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/cesium/fountain.htm Portland State University GPS Base Station (for post-processing of carrier and code-phase DGPS; we don't have a RTK beacon yet...) http://gps.geol.pdx.edu/ I'm guessing you can't tell that I TA the Field Methods class here this spring, can you? :-) a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 18:07:53 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 11 18:07:53 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040311180250.01fa8d88@mail.spiritone.com> The airlines are paranoid so I bet it would. A GPS doesn't "send" any kind of signal, only receives, but then again they don't let you use other gear that doesn't send any signals anyway... At 04:48 PM 3/11/2004, you wrote: >>sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight >>across country) when I see something interesting >>below.... I assume - would not work well in an >>airplane - if at all... > >I wonder if it would be like the cell phone thing, not having it turned on >during the flight? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 11 19:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Mar 11 19:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Wood! Message-ID: <20040312031145.6002.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Demeulemeester, others on the list: Thanks much for the links, suggestions and tips. The petrified wood field trip was obviously great fun for all, and the stories were cheerful and amusing. Such a small world sometimes. Everyone is so supportive and helpful! Thanks again! JR Hodel Hamlin WV __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 05:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (adam sanora) Date: Fri Mar 12 05:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD. DIASPORE Message-ID: <20040312131758.86740.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> We have very rare diaspore stock for wholesale : 1-Facet Grade Materail : In assorted sizes hand select materail . 2-Facet + Cab Grade Purplish Materail . Higher Color Change Tends to darker Purple . 3-Cabbing Grade . Nice select materail for rare cabs . Please contact for details and photos . Truva Mining Ltd. Tel : +90-312-4380897 Adam Fax : 4383193 Ankara/TURKEY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 05:41:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Mar 12 05:41:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040311180250.01fa8d88@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <006d01c40837$9f7190e0$6501a8c0@moose> The problem comes in that any radio receiver DOES send out a signal, albeit a teensy one. The circuits in the radio that do the magic oscillate at some point at the same frequency as the received signal. Same problem with a computer, MP3 players, and the like. Circuits oscillating at umpty-ump MHz... That leaks out. The only radio that doesn't transmit something is a "crystal" radio. I've heard some anecdotal evidence about signals gorking up an airplane's avionics, but nothing solid. When I'm at 30,000 feet and there's a lot of thin air below me, I guess I err on the side of caution. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:05 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] GPS > > > The airlines are paranoid so I bet it would. A GPS doesn't > "send" any kind > of signal, only receives, but then again they don't let you > use other gear > that doesn't send any signals anyway... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 06:16:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Fri Mar 12 06:16:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040311180250.01fa8d88@mail.spiritone.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040312085006.01dce6d0@po2.bbn.com> One one occasion when I was in a window seat flying from LA to Boston I used my Garmin 12XL to check the altitude and speed of the aircraft. Although I did not have a precise reference to compare to, it seemed to be in general agreement with the pilots announcement of altitude and speed. I was not hassled about using it and the plane did not crash. However, I am not sure that any stewardess saw me using it and a sample size of one event will not likely assuage the nervousness of a safety-conscious airline passenger. One caution however is that if the point at which you start using the GPS device is sufficiently far away from the last reading you took with it you will probably need to reinitialize the unit, which is most easily done by giving it a general idea of where you are. So if you wake up halfway through the flight and want to find out where you are.....it may not be as simple as turning on the unit and holding it up to the window. Also at 30,000 ft I have doubts about the usefulness of a GPS reading for purposes of locating a ground terrain feature seen from an airplane window at an unknown angle and lateral distance. So let me mention a really useful feature of my Garmin 12XL that I have used many times: It uses the available memory that is not currently occupied by stored waypoints to create a map of where you have been. Thus if I am driving or hiking into a collecting area with the unit on I can use the map feature to make sure that I am retracing my original path on the way out! If I am uncertain about which way to turn I can look at the map display to clearly see how I came in and where I am relative to that track. This as simplified my return on many occasions. However, since the memory space is not unlimited, I would not rely on this for a long trip into the desert or wilderness but would supplement it with a series of marked waypoints. GPS....don't go collecting without it! Nate Martin Lexington, MA At 09:04 PM 3/11/2004, you wrote: >The airlines are paranoid so I bet it would. A GPS doesn't "send" any kind >of signal, only receives, but then again they don't let you use other gear >that doesn't send any signals anyway... > >At 04:48 PM 3/11/2004, you wrote: > > >>>sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight >>>across country) when I see something interesting >>>below.... I assume - would not work well in an >>>airplane - if at all... >> >>I wonder if it would be like the cell phone thing, not having it turned >>on during the flight? From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 06:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Mar 12 06:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040312085006.01dce6d0@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <007301c4083d$e07619c0$6501a8c0@moose> I've thought it would be fun to get one of those little DeLorme GPS gizmos that hooks in through your Notebook's USB port. Stick that on the window and watch a moving dot on my Street Atlas as I fly along. Under $100. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Nathan C. Martin II > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:16 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] GPS > > > One one occasion when I was in a window seat flying from LA ... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 06:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 12 06:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Message-ID: <031220041436.1731.40d1@att.net> My friend Jeff has one of those--his laptop sits on his dashboard with the GPS gizmo hooked up and DeLorme TopoUSA running. Beats buying a Cadillac just to get that feature! Don P.S. I don't think GPS replaces compass skills entirely--one should always carry a compass in the field and know how to use it--but I still say the use of GPS can make a quantum improvement in the way we pursue our passion. > > I've thought it would be fun to get one of those little DeLorme GPS gizmos > that hooks in through your Notebook's USB port. Stick that on the window > and watch a moving dot on my Street Atlas as I fly along. Under $100. > > GcB > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Nathan C. Martin II > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:16 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] GPS > > > > > > One one occasion when I was in a window seat flying from LA ... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 07:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mike Flannigan) Date: Fri Mar 12 07:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge was ..National Geographic ... References: <20040312020004.12957.90958.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4051D264.D05FFFE4@earthlink.net> My experience has been that at high elevations (5,000+ ft), my GPS typically reads 50 to 175 ft higher than the actual elevation. Sometimes it's consistently 80 ft higher for quite a while. At sea level it's generally within 50 ft and often reads lower than the actual elevation. It may not make scientific sense, but that's what I think I see with my old Garmin GPS III. Pretty accurate for a unit without WAAS. Mike Flannigan > From: Lanny > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] GPS Tidal Bulge was ..National Geographic ... > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:19:11 -0800 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > These explanations are also leaving out one simple factor in a GPS > measurement of elevation. GPS measurements are done by triangulation, > and in triangulation, the greater the angles between the three or more > points the better. This works well for the horizontal with the > satellites scattered across the sky, but for vertical measurements, the > vertical difference between those same satellites may not be much of a > difference, making it less likely that the GPS elevation is computing > within a small error factor, thus the statement of #14 in the FAQ about > the error commonly being 400 feet or more. > > In my own experience over the last decade with GPS, an elevation > reading is usually incorrect (as compared to a 7.5 min topo) by several > hundred feet, often by nearly 1,000 feet. > > So, like Tim said, ignore the elevation. Or, buy a GPS unit with a > built in aneroid barometer/altimeter (and remember to calibrate it each > day, or more). > > Lanny From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 08:46:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 12 08:46:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD-Rocks & Minerals Benefit Auction Message-ID: <031220041645.14356.34e9@att.net> Dear rockhounds folks, I've meant to send this note, a bit tardy (the auction closes 8 p.m. CST Saturday--one day left) for a benefit auction being held on John Veevaert's Trinity Mineral website, http://www.mineral-auctions.com Please take a look if you care to--thanks, Pete Modreski, pjmodreski@att.net The 2004 Tucson Show is long over but there is still one event to take place which is directly tied to the show. That is the benefit auction for the Rocks & Minerals magazine. Proceeds from this auction go to the color page fund to offset the high costs of color printing for our hobby's oldest periodical. While in Tucson I selected 29 specimens from those donated by dealers and collectors and have now posted them for the coming auction which will start March 10th. The auction will start to close at 8:00 PM CST on March 13th. To see what is up for your consideration please visit: http://www.mineral-auctions.com 95% of the proceeds from this auction will be sent directly to the color fund for the magazine. A nominal 5% of the proceeds are used to cover the expenses of processing the winning bids. A special gratitude of thanks to Jesse Fisher and Joan Kureczka for their generous donations to this auction. Thank you for interest. On behalf of the Editor of Rocks & Minerals - Marie Huizing (rocksandminerals@fuse.net) John Veevaert From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 08:58:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Mar 12 08:58:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <875B1CD7-7446-11D8-BCBF-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> It does vary by airline. Most have adopted the rule that all electronic gadgets must be turned off during take off and landing but not during the flight. Apparently some have a policy that all electronic gadgets must be off all the time. Typically I see people using their computers and cell phones during flight. In the GPS forums, this has been kicked around many times with the bottom line being that on most airlines a GPS can be used during the flight. Lanny On Mar 11, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: > >> >> sometimes I wish to know where I am (in a flight >> across country) when I see something interesting >> below.... I assume - would not work well in an >> airplane - if at all... >> > > I wonder if it would be like the cell phone thing, not having it > turned on during the flight? > ****************************************** Lanny R. Ream - LR Ream Publishing Publisher of MinDex, the Mineral Locality - Mineral Periodical Index Idaho Minerals and other books; back issues of Mineral News www. LRReam.com ******************************************* From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 19:58:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Larry) Date: Fri Mar 12 19:58:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineralogical Record Auctions on eBay Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040312224935.0207b940@63.208.208.70> A heads-up for anyone interested in completing their sets or otherwise adding copies of interest...I'm in the process of auctioning off my almost-complete set of Mineralogical Record magazines on eBay. Currently running are the issues from 1973, 1974, 1975, and I'll be posting issues from 1976, 1977, and 1978 later this weekend. If you're interested, click this link, to see my current (and future) auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=snargle&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=0 Thanks! Larry (eBay ID: snargle) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 21:35:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 12 21:35:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals Message-ID: <40529D7E.7579@Tomaszewski.net> If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of minerals in your collection, I have a newly found resource that may help: The link is a periodic table that includes an overview of the health effects of each element -- you need to know the chemical formula for what you have collected, so you can click on each component element at... http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm YMMV. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 12 23:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Fri Mar 12 23:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] UK Travel Message-ID: <009901c408cb$21858bc0$205d1a43@uswest.net> I need help with mineral and fossil info for travel plans to England and = Scotland. With very little notice I will be traveling to England and = Scotland from April 19 to May 26. I am equally experienced with both = minerals and fossils with many hours notched in field collecting in both = sciences. I would like to visit Lyme-Regis via public transportation = from either London or Bath base but not much time to investigate = possibilities. I will be in the Scottish Highlands near Loch Tay for 10 = days and it would be super to connect with other mineral and fossil = collectors in Scotland. I will be bringing some Eocene marine fossils = and Cretaceous dinosaur shed teeth for trade (the dinoaur material was = self collected on private property and fully documented.) Any travel = tips and collecting site information would be appreciated and feel free = to contact me directly at : posterdoctor@msn.com I am much more interested in observing the geology and paleontology than = to spend hours digging and collecting so I am good for unusual sites and = public locations. =20 Danny Steward / Seattle Washington --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 03:15:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Mar 13 03:15:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: <40529D7E.7579@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000001c408ec$60a2c2c0$76a2f151@maxdata> Hi Kreigh (et al.), This table and the explanations attached are to be taken with some (or much) reserve. Under Fe (iron) e.g. : LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single dose of a substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal population from exposure to the substance by any route other than inhalation). Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is unbelievably theoretic and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, because I don't have the correct wiehgt factors for the human body) to the human body this would mean that a man of 70 kg has a chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the gravitational effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac rather than the the chemical effects. Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the poisonousness of an element as such in terms of its components. I know many substances consisting of C, H and O that are just deadly, and others that are vital for life. For barium e.g. the comments are somewhat shaded, making the difference between soluble and insoluble barium salts. I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea starting from the components of a mineral formula, but it should be used with much reserve and caution because it is insufficiently shaded in general (which would not be possible). Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *Kreigh Tomaszewski *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals * * *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of minerals in *your collection, I have a newly found resource that may help: * * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview *of the health * effects of each element -- you need to know the *chemical formula for * what you have collected, so you can click on each *component element * at... * * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm * *YMMV. * *Kreigh *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 04:45:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Mar 13 04:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: <000001c408ec$60a2c2c0$76a2f151@maxdata> Message-ID: I agree with Rik that these data are very sketchy and only to give you a rough idea. What I miss is that there is a difference between acute and chronical poisoning. Iron is for instance an element that our body can handle naturally. There are enzymes and mechanism present to get rid of iron. So iron poisoning only occurs when we get too much iron into our system and we overload the natural pathways of clearing iron. That would be Rik's 2.1 kg. In mineralogy that won't be much a problem. More of a problem is the chronical poisoning. Elements foreign to our body do not have a mechanism by which it is removed. These elements will stay in the body for longer times. The effects of these intoxications are cumulative. Many low doses over time will have can have a serious effect. A good example is heavy metal poisoning (not through the ears by some stereo set, but by swallowing or inhaling). The most famous example of such a poisoning are the romans who drank wine from lead vessels. Small amounts of lead dissolved in the acetic acid of vessels, causing all kinds of health problems. Bu nice perodic system because the element names dubnium, seaborgium, bohrium, hassium, meitnerium and darmstadtium are new to me :-) I guess that the name Bohrium would never make it through the IMA if it was a mineral. Too close to Borium, (boron)!! Cheers, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dillen Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:15 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals Hi Kreigh (et al.), This table and the explanations attached are to be taken with some (or much) reserve. Under Fe (iron) e.g. : LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single dose of a substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal population from exposure to the substance by any route other than inhalation). Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is unbelievably theoretic and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, because I don't have the correct wiehgt factors for the human body) to the human body this would mean that a man of 70 kg has a chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the gravitational effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac rather than the the chemical effects. Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the poisonousness of an element as such in terms of its components. I know many substances consisting of C, H and O that are just deadly, and others that are vital for life. For barium e.g. the comments are somewhat shaded, making the difference between soluble and insoluble barium salts. I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea starting from the components of a mineral formula, but it should be used with much reserve and caution because it is insufficiently shaded in general (which would not be possible). Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *Kreigh Tomaszewski *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals * * *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of minerals in *your collection, I have a newly found resource that may help: * * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview *of the health * effects of each element -- you need to know the *chemical formula for * what you have collected, so you can click on each *component element * at... * * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm * *YMMV. * *Kreigh *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 04:48:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Mar 13 04:48:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] UK Travel Message-ID: I have done much research in that market, their clubs are the key, try minerant.org to leave notice, but the clubs are truly the key. Look for search engines such as mineral and fossil clubs UK. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 08:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Mar 13 08:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403131622.i2DGMSQO019205@mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net> If you want to know the low level effects of various chemicals on health, this is the bible. http://www.epa.gov/safewater/mcl.html Understand that mcl's are set based on the consumption of something like two liters of water per day for 30 years and at that level would cause problems in one person in every million. In other words these are considered safe levels, or if not "safe" then the current ability to test them. If chemical is a class A or Class B carciniogen, the MCL = Practical Quantitation Limit http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/safedrink/mcl.htm Tommy > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Maurice de Graaf > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:44 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > I agree with Rik that these data are very sketchy and only to > give you a rough idea. > > What I miss is that there is a difference between acute and > chronical poisoning. Iron is for instance an element that our > body can handle naturally. There are enzymes and mechanism > present to get rid of iron. So iron poisoning only occurs > when we get too much iron into our system and we overload the > natural pathways of clearing iron. That would be Rik's 2.1 kg. > > In mineralogy that won't be much a problem. More of a problem > is the chronical poisoning. Elements foreign to our body do > not have a mechanism by which it is removed. These elements > will stay in the body for longer times. > The effects of these intoxications are cumulative. Many low > doses over time will have can have a serious effect. A good > example is heavy metal poisoning (not through the ears by > some stereo set, but by swallowing or inhaling). > The most famous example of such a poisoning are the romans > who drank wine from lead vessels. Small amounts of lead > dissolved in the acetic acid of vessels, causing all kinds of > health problems. > > Bu nice perodic system because the element names dubnium, > seaborgium, bohrium, hassium, meitnerium and darmstadtium are > new to me :-) I guess that the name Bohrium would never make > it through the IMA if it was a mineral. > Too close to Borium, (boron)!! > > Cheers, > Maurice > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dillen > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:15 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > Hi Kreigh (et al.), > > This table and the explanations attached are to be taken with > some (or much) reserve. > Under Fe (iron) e.g. : > LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single > dose of a substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal > population from exposure to the substance by any route other > than inhalation). > > Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is unbelievably > theoretic and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, > because I don't have the correct wiehgt factors for the human > body) to the human body this would mean that a man of 70 kg > has a chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, > KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the > gravitational effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac > rather than the the chemical effects. > Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the > poisonousness of an element as such in terms of its > components. I know many substances consisting of C, H and O > that are just deadly, and others that are vital for life. For > barium e.g. the comments are somewhat shaded, making the > difference between soluble and insoluble barium salts. > > I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea starting > from the components of a mineral formula, but it should be > used with much reserve and caution because it is > insufficiently shaded in general (which would not be possible). > > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite > and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) > postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > *-----Original Message----- > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > *Kreigh Tomaszewski > *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > * > * > *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of > minerals in *your collection, I have a newly found resource > that may help: > * > * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview > *of the health > * effects of each element -- you need to know the > *chemical formula for > * what you have collected, so you can click on each > *component element > * at... > * > * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm > * > *YMMV. > * > *Kreigh > *_______________________________________________ > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > *Subscription Services: > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > * > * > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 11:37:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 13 11:37:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: <200403131622.i2DGMSQO019205@mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: A minor point but MCL does not equal the PQL "MCL - Maximum Contaminant Level. The highest level of a contaminant that is allowed in drinking water. " The MCL is a political value and may have no relationship to actual harmful levels of material in water. MCLs are assigned after a long political negotiation process between industy, environmental lobby groups and the government. They often bear no relationship to the actual science available for the particular substance. The PQL is the Practical Quantitation Limit and is equal to 4 times the MDL which is the Method Detection Limit. The MDL is a calculated value which shows how a particular analytical method in a particular lab can detect a substance. This is all lab statistics material and of little interest to anyone not working in an analytical lab. I deal with this material every day. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > If you want to know the low level effects of various chemicals on health, > this is the bible. > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/mcl.html > > Understand that mcl's are set based on the consumption of > something like two > liters of water per day for 30 years and at that level would > cause problems > in one person in every million. In other words these are considered safe > levels, or if not "safe" then the current ability to test them. > If chemical is a class A or Class B carciniogen, the MCL = Practical > Quantitation Limit > > > > http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/safedrink/mcl.htm > > Tommy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Maurice de Graaf > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:44 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > I agree with Rik that these data are very sketchy and only to > > give you a rough idea. > > > > What I miss is that there is a difference between acute and > > chronical poisoning. Iron is for instance an element that our > > body can handle naturally. There are enzymes and mechanism > > present to get rid of iron. So iron poisoning only occurs > > when we get too much iron into our system and we overload the > > natural pathways of clearing iron. That would be Rik's 2.1 kg. > > > > In mineralogy that won't be much a problem. More of a problem > > is the chronical poisoning. Elements foreign to our body do > > not have a mechanism by which it is removed. These elements > > will stay in the body for longer times. > > The effects of these intoxications are cumulative. Many low > > doses over time will have can have a serious effect. A good > > example is heavy metal poisoning (not through the ears by > > some stereo set, but by swallowing or inhaling). > > The most famous example of such a poisoning are the romans > > who drank wine from lead vessels. Small amounts of lead > > dissolved in the acetic acid of vessels, causing all kinds of > > health problems. > > > > Bu nice perodic system because the element names dubnium, > > seaborgium, bohrium, hassium, meitnerium and darmstadtium are > > new to me :-) I guess that the name Bohrium would never make > > it through the IMA if it was a mineral. > > Too close to Borium, (boron)!! > > > > Cheers, > > Maurice > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dillen > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:15 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > Hi Kreigh (et al.), > > > > This table and the explanations attached are to be taken with > > some (or much) reserve. > > Under Fe (iron) e.g. : > > LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single > > dose of a substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal > > population from exposure to the substance by any route other > > than inhalation). > > > > Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is unbelievably > > theoretic and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, > > because I don't have the correct wiehgt factors for the human > > body) to the human body this would mean that a man of 70 kg > > has a chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, > > KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the > > gravitational effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac > > rather than the the chemical effects. > > Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the > > poisonousness of an element as such in terms of its > > components. I know many substances consisting of C, H and O > > that are just deadly, and others that are vital for life. For > > barium e.g. the comments are somewhat shaded, making the > > difference between soluble and insoluble barium salts. > > > > I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea starting > > from the components of a mineral formula, but it should be > > used with much reserve and caution because it is > > insufficiently shaded in general (which would not be possible). > > > > Greetings, > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite > > and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) > > postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > *-----Original Message----- > > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > *Kreigh Tomaszewski > > *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 > > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > * > > * > > *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of > > minerals in *your collection, I have a newly found resource > > that may help: > > * > > * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview > > *of the health > > * effects of each element -- you need to know the > > *chemical formula for > > * what you have collected, so you can click on each > > *component element > > * at... > > * > > * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm > > * > > *YMMV. > > * > > *Kreigh > > *_______________________________________________ > > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > *Subscription Services: > > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > * > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 12:46:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Mar 13 12:46:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403132039.i2DKdnl4011969@mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net> Although I don't want to get into an in depth discussion on this subject, the statements that "The MCL is a " 1) "political value and may have no relationship to actual harmful levels of material in water. 2)"They often bear no relationship to the actual science available for the particular substance." Are completely bogus. Although it might be true that there is a negotiation process and a factoring in of what is actually accomplishable and measurable in the real world, that does not mean that the actual values do not have a basis in the "best actual science available." If drinking water that one consumes meets or exceeds the EPA standards, one can assume with a very very high degree of confidence that it is safe to consume for both short and lifetime consumption. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J > Bryan Kramer > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:37 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > A minor point but MCL does not equal the PQL > > "MCL - Maximum Contaminant Level. The highest level of a > contaminant that is allowed in drinking water. " The MCL is a > political value and may have no relationship to actual > harmful levels of material in water. MCLs are assigned after > a long political negotiation process between industy, > environmental lobby groups and the government. They often > bear no relationship to the actual science available for the > particular substance. > > The PQL is the Practical Quantitation Limit and is equal to 4 > times the MDL which is the Method Detection Limit. The MDL is > a calculated value which shows how a particular analytical > method in a particular lab can detect a substance. This is > all lab statistics material and of little interest to anyone > not working in an analytical lab. I deal with this material every day. > > Bryan > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, > and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed > to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > > > > If you want to know the low level effects of various chemicals on > > health, this is the bible. > > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/mcl.html > > > > Understand that mcl's are set based on the consumption of something > > like two liters of water per day for 30 years and at that > level would > > cause problems in one person in every million. In other words these > > are considered safe levels, or if not "safe" then the > current ability > > to test them. > > If chemical is a class A or Class B carciniogen, the MCL = > Practical > > Quantitation Limit > > > > > > > > http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/safedrink/mcl.htm > > > > Tommy > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Maurice de > > > Graaf > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:44 AM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > I agree with Rik that these data are very sketchy and > only to give > > > you a rough idea. > > > > > > What I miss is that there is a difference between acute and > > > chronical poisoning. Iron is for instance an element that > our body > > > can handle naturally. There are enzymes and mechanism > present to get > > > rid of iron. So iron poisoning only occurs when we get > too much iron > > > into our system and we overload the natural pathways of clearing > > > iron. That would be Rik's 2.1 kg. > > > > > > In mineralogy that won't be much a problem. More of a > problem is the > > > chronical poisoning. Elements foreign to our body do not have a > > > mechanism by which it is removed. These elements will stay in the > > > body for longer times. > > > The effects of these intoxications are cumulative. Many low doses > > > over time will have can have a serious effect. A good example is > > > heavy metal poisoning (not through the ears by some > stereo set, but > > > by swallowing or inhaling). > > > The most famous example of such a poisoning are the > romans who drank > > > wine from lead vessels. Small amounts of lead dissolved in the > > > acetic acid of vessels, causing all kinds of health problems. > > > > > > Bu nice perodic system because the element names dubnium, > > > seaborgium, bohrium, hassium, meitnerium and darmstadtium > are new to > > > me :-) I guess that the name Bohrium would never make it > through the > > > IMA if it was a mineral. > > > Too close to Borium, (boron)!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dillen > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:15 PM > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > > > > Hi Kreigh (et al.), > > > > > > This table and the explanations attached are to be taken > with some > > > (or much) reserve. > > > Under Fe (iron) e.g. : > > > LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single > dose of a > > > substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal > population from > > > exposure to the substance by any route other than inhalation). > > > > > > Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is > unbelievably theoretic > > > and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, because I don't have > > > the correct wiehgt factors for the human > > > body) to the human body this would mean that a man of 70 kg has a > > > chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, > > > KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the gravitational > > > effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac rather than the the > > > chemical effects. > > > Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the > poisonousness > > > of an element as such in terms of its components. I know many > > > substances consisting of C, H and O that are just deadly, > and others > > > that are vital for life. For barium e.g. the comments are > somewhat > > > shaded, making the difference between soluble and > insoluble barium > > > salts. > > > > > > I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea > starting from the > > > components of a mineral formula, but it should be used with much > > > reserve and caution because it is insufficiently shaded > in general > > > (which would not be possible). > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > Belgium > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite > > > and more) > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) > > > postage stamp ! > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > > > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > > > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > > > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > > > > *-----Original Message----- > > > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *Kreigh > > > Tomaszewski > > > *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 > > > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > * > > > * > > > *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of > minerals > > > in *your collection, I have a newly found resource that may help: > > > * > > > * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview > > > *of the health > > > * effects of each element -- you need to know the > > > *chemical formula for > > > * what you have collected, so you can click on each > > > *component element > > > * at... > > > * > > > * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm > > > * > > > *YMMV. > > > * > > > *Kreigh > > > *_______________________________________________ > > > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > *Subscription Services: > > > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > * > > > * > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 13:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Mar 13 13:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: <200403132039.i2DKdnl4011969@mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200403132106.i2DL65qm008051@mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net> ie. Does not exceed the maximum contaminant level. Sorry Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tommy Armstrong > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:46 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > Although I don't want to get into an in depth discussion on > this subject, the statements that "The MCL is a " > 1) "political value and may have no relationship to actual > harmful levels of material in water. > 2)"They often bear no relationship to the actual science > available for the particular substance." > Are completely bogus. > > Although it might be true that there is a negotiation > process and a factoring in of what is actually accomplishable > and measurable in the real world, that does not mean that the > actual values do not have a basis in the "best actual science > available." > > If drinking water that one consumes meets or exceeds the EPA > standards, one can assume with a very very high degree of > confidence that it is safe to consume for both short and > lifetime consumption. > > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan > > Kramer > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:37 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > A minor point but MCL does not equal the PQL > > > > "MCL - Maximum Contaminant Level. The highest level of a > contaminant > > that is allowed in drinking water. " The MCL is a political > value and > > may have no relationship to actual harmful levels of material in > > water. MCLs are assigned after a long political negotiation process > > between industy, environmental lobby groups and the > government. They > > often bear no relationship to the actual science available for the > > particular substance. > > > > The PQL is the Practical Quantitation Limit and is equal to 4 times > > the MDL which is the Method Detection Limit. The MDL is a > calculated > > value which shows how a particular analytical method in a > particular > > lab can detect a substance. This is all lab statistics > material and of > > little interest to anyone not working in an analytical lab. I deal > > with this material every day. > > > > Bryan > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and > > posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from > > the former, for the sake of the latter." > > > > > > > > If you want to know the low level effects of various chemicals on > > > health, this is the bible. > > > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/mcl.html > > > > > > Understand that mcl's are set based on the consumption of > something > > > like two liters of water per day for 30 years and at that > > level would > > > cause problems in one person in every million. In other > words these > > > are considered safe levels, or if not "safe" then the > > current ability > > > to test them. > > > If chemical is a class A or Class B carciniogen, the MCL = > > Practical > > > Quantitation Limit > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/safedrink/mcl.htm > > > > > > Tommy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Maurice de > > > > Graaf > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:44 AM > > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > > > I agree with Rik that these data are very sketchy and > > only to give > > > > you a rough idea. > > > > > > > > What I miss is that there is a difference between acute and > > > > chronical poisoning. Iron is for instance an element that > > our body > > > > can handle naturally. There are enzymes and mechanism > > present to get > > > > rid of iron. So iron poisoning only occurs when we get > > too much iron > > > > into our system and we overload the natural pathways of > clearing > > > > iron. That would be Rik's 2.1 kg. > > > > > > > > In mineralogy that won't be much a problem. More of a > > problem is the > > > > chronical poisoning. Elements foreign to our body do not have a > > > > mechanism by which it is removed. These elements will > stay in the > > > > body for longer times. > > > > The effects of these intoxications are cumulative. Many > low doses > > > > over time will have can have a serious effect. A good > example is > > > > heavy metal poisoning (not through the ears by some > > stereo set, but > > > > by swallowing or inhaling). > > > > The most famous example of such a poisoning are the > > romans who drank > > > > wine from lead vessels. Small amounts of lead dissolved in the > > > > acetic acid of vessels, causing all kinds of health problems. > > > > > > > > Bu nice perodic system because the element names dubnium, > > > > seaborgium, bohrium, hassium, meitnerium and darmstadtium > > are new to > > > > me :-) I guess that the name Bohrium would never make it > > through the > > > > IMA if it was a mineral. > > > > Too close to Borium, (boron)!! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > Rik Dillen > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:15 PM > > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kreigh (et al.), > > > > > > > > This table and the explanations attached are to be taken > > with some > > > > (or much) reserve. > > > > Under Fe (iron) e.g. : > > > > LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single > > dose of a > > > > substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal > > population from > > > > exposure to the substance by any route other than inhalation). > > > > > > > > Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is > > unbelievably theoretic > > > > and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, because I > don't have > > > > the correct wiehgt factors for the human > > > > body) to the human body this would mean that a man of > 70 kg has a > > > > chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, > > > > KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the > gravitational > > > > effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac rather than the the > > > > chemical effects. > > > > Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the > > poisonousness > > > > of an element as such in terms of its components. I know many > > > > substances consisting of C, H and O that are just deadly, > > and others > > > > that are vital for life. For barium e.g. the comments are > > somewhat > > > > shaded, making the difference between soluble and > > insoluble barium > > > > salts. > > > > > > > > I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea > > starting from the > > > > components of a mineral formula, but it should be used > with much > > > > reserve and caution because it is insufficiently shaded > > in general > > > > (which would not be possible). > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > > Belgium > > > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite > > > > and more) > > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) > > > > postage stamp ! > > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > > > > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > > > > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > > > > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > > > > > > > *-----Original Message----- > > > > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf > Of *Kreigh > > > > Tomaszewski > > > > *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 > > > > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > * > > > > * > > > > *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of > > minerals > > > > in *your collection, I have a newly found resource that > may help: > > > > * > > > > * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview > > > > *of the health > > > > * effects of each element -- you need to know the > > > > *chemical formula for > > > > * what you have collected, so you can click on each > > > > *component element > > > > * at... > > > > * > > > > * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm > > > > * > > > > *YMMV. > > > > * > > > > *Kreigh > > > > *_______________________________________________ > > > > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > *Subscription Services: > > > > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 13:20:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD) Date: Sat Mar 13 13:20:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] UK Travel References: Message-ID: <00af01c40941$e72c9780$cc3b1843@uswest.net> thank you!....never thot of that!...great tip! Danny / Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] UK Travel > I have done much research in that market, their clubs are the key, try > minerant.org to leave notice, but the clubs are truly the key. Look for search > engines such as mineral and fossil clubs UK. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 13:26:26 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WildaboutRocks) Date: Sat Mar 13 13:26:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] UK Travel References: <00af01c40941$e72c9780$cc3b1843@uswest.net> Message-ID: <000701c40939$aca55a00$0302a8c0@Gandalf> Hi I am a seasoned UK-based collector. What is it you would like to know? Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "DANIEL-HARRY STEWARD" To: Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] UK Travel > thank you!....never thot of that!...great tip! > > Danny / Seattle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 4:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] UK Travel > > > > I have done much research in that market, their clubs are the key, try > > minerant.org to leave notice, but the clubs are truly the key. Look for > search > > engines such as mineral and fossil clubs UK. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 13:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Mar 13 13:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu Message-ID: <000d01c40942$10ef0d50$76a2f151@maxdata> [Message sent to about 100 correspondents in BCC for privacy reasons] =20 In Paris there are solid plans to pack all specimens from the University = Pierre et Marie Curie (Paris-Jussieu) in boxes, to make room for a library. This collection, accessible for the public, is one = of the finest in the world in a wonderful modern museological setting. It would really a shame to put the specimens somewhere in a = cellar, and very probably many brittle specimens will be lost forever. =20 I received a request to protest against this measure. I would request as = many of you as possible to support against the closure via the form = http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - it takes = only a minute or so. The website of the museum is at http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ =20 Thank you very much for helping to keep this marvellous collection = accessible for the public ! Best regards, =20 Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium =20 Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be =20 Homepage : = http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list =20 MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html =20 Mineral collector's page = http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 13:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Mar 13 13:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <000d01c40942$10ef0d50$76a2f151@maxdata> Message-ID: <008e01c40943$bc351230$25249444@hewlettlydtpep> this is comical......you're wasting your time. A few years ago some friends of mine in Paris went dumpster diving outside the Paris Museum (paleontology). There was a change in government, and the museum director(s) were afraid of what the new government head was going to say about the sad state of affairs of the museum, as far as available space/storage issues. So, their solution was to take everything lining the hallways in the basements and toss it into the dumpsters. I am not talking about old files.....I am talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in: Type specimens (that;'s right, folks....Paleontological HOLOTYPE specimens) complete, brand new photocopiers other fossil collections dating back more than 100 years In this particular case, it was next to impossible to give any of this material to any other institution...including the photocopiers. The couldn't de-accession it, so they simply dumped it. My two friends found out about this on one of the last days this was happening, and were only able to scrounge so much of the lost material.......about $60,000 worth of fossil materials. And this is why I laugh so hard at the government's (and science's) arguments that commercial fossil dealers and fossil collectors are evil and the scourge of the earth, and that all of these precious relics of our past are only safe in the hands of the government...... I guess their thoughts were of just returning the material to the Earth from whence it came...in this case landfills. Sadly, Rik, you're wasting your time with this museum. Just wait out back until they start tossing stuff...... Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "Rockhounds" Cc: ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu [Message sent to about 100 correspondents in BCC for privacy reasons] In Paris there are solid plans to pack all specimens from the University Pierre et Marie Curie (Paris-Jussieu) in boxes, to make room for a library. This collection, accessible for the public, is one of the finest in the world in a wonderful modern museological setting. It would really a shame to put the specimens somewhere in a cellar, and very probably many brittle specimens will be lost forever. I received a request to protest against this measure. I would request as many of you as possible to support against the closure via the form http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - it takes only a minute or so. The website of the museum is at http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ Thank you very much for helping to keep this marvellous collection accessible for the public ! Best regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 14:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Mar 13 14:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu In-Reply-To: <008e01c40943$bc351230$25249444@hewlettlydtpep> Message-ID: <004501c40947$0c325650$76a2f151@maxdata> My message was not ment to be comical, neither did I intend to waste my time. I just want to make myself clear. I have seen the collection myself. I know how it looks. It's not based on third party comments. Fill in the form if you agree with my message, don't if you don't... Thanks anyway. No flame wars, please. Stop this thread here. Rik DILLEN *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *Michael Schmidt *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 22:40 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu * * *this is comical......you're wasting your time. A few years *ago some friends of mine in Paris went dumpster diving outside *the Paris Museum (paleontology). There was a change in *government, and the museum *director(s) were afraid of what the new government head was *going to say about the sad state of affairs of the museum, as *far as available space/storage issues. * *So, their solution was to take everything lining the hallways *in the basements and toss it into the dumpsters. * *I am not talking about old files.....I am talking about *hundreds of thousands of dollars in: * *Type specimens (that;'s right, folks....Paleontological *HOLOTYPE specimens) complete, brand new photocopiers other *fossil collections dating back more than 100 years * *In this particular case, it was next to impossible to give any *of this material to any other institution...including the *photocopiers. The couldn't de-accession it, so they simply dumped it. * *My two friends found out about this on one of the last days *this was happening, and were only able to scrounge so much of *the lost material.......about $60,000 worth of fossil materials. * *And this is why I laugh so hard at the government's (and *science's) arguments that commercial fossil dealers and fossil *collectors are evil and the scourge of the earth, and that all *of these precious relics of our past are only safe in the *hands of the government...... * *I guess their thoughts were of just returning the material to *the Earth from whence it came...in this case landfills. * *Sadly, Rik, you're wasting your time with this museum. Just *wait out back until they start tossing stuff...... * *Michael *----- Original Message ----- *From: "Rik Dillen" *To: "Rockhounds" *Cc: ; ; * *Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:27 PM *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu * * *[Message sent to about 100 correspondents in BCC for privacy reasons] * *In Paris there are solid plans to pack all specimens from the *University Pierre et Marie Curie (Paris-Jussieu) in boxes, to *make room for a library. This collection, accessible for the *public, is one of the finest in the world in a wonderful *modern museological setting. It would really a shame to put *the specimens somewhere in a cellar, and very probably many *brittle specimens will be lost forever. * *I received a request to protest against this measure. I would *request as many of you as possible to support against the *closure via the form *http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html *It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - *it takes only a minute or so. The website of the museum is at http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ Thank you very much for helping to keep this marvellous collection accessible for the public ! Best regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 14:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 13 14:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals In-Reply-To: <200403132039.i2DKdnl4011969@mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: I absolutely agree that drinking water meeting USEPA standards is completely safe to drink. Indeed I think of that every time I see someone drinking bottled water. But that doesn't obviate the point I was making. Bryan > Although I don't want to get into an in depth discussion on this subject, > the statements that > "The MCL is a " > 1) "political value and may have no relationship to actual > harmful levels of material in water. > 2)"They often bear no relationship to the actual science > available for the > particular substance." > Are completely bogus. > > Although it might be true that there is a negotiation process and a > factoring in of what is actually accomplishable and measurable in the real > world, that does not mean that the actual values do not have a > basis in the > "best actual science available." > > If drinking water that one consumes meets or exceeds the EPA > standards, one > can assume with a very very high degree of confidence that it is safe to > consume for both short and lifetime consumption. > > > Tommy Armstrong > N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J > > Bryan Kramer > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:37 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > A minor point but MCL does not equal the PQL > > > > "MCL - Maximum Contaminant Level. The highest level of a > > contaminant that is allowed in drinking water. " The MCL is a > > political value and may have no relationship to actual > > harmful levels of material in water. MCLs are assigned after > > a long political negotiation process between industy, > > environmental lobby groups and the government. They often > > bear no relationship to the actual science available for the > > particular substance. > > > > The PQL is the Practical Quantitation Limit and is equal to 4 > > times the MDL which is the Method Detection Limit. The MDL is > > a calculated value which shows how a particular analytical > > method in a particular lab can detect a substance. This is > > all lab statistics material and of little interest to anyone > > not working in an analytical lab. I deal with this material every day. > > > > Bryan > > > > Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, > > and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed > > to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > > > > > > > > If you want to know the low level effects of various chemicals on > > > health, this is the bible. > > > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/mcl.html > > > > > > Understand that mcl's are set based on the consumption of something > > > like two liters of water per day for 30 years and at that > > level would > > > cause problems in one person in every million. In other words these > > > are considered safe levels, or if not "safe" then the > > current ability > > > to test them. > > > If chemical is a class A or Class B carciniogen, the MCL = > > Practical > > > Quantitation Limit > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/safedrink/mcl.htm > > > > > > Tommy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Maurice de > > > > Graaf > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:44 AM > > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > > > I agree with Rik that these data are very sketchy and > > only to give > > > > you a rough idea. > > > > > > > > What I miss is that there is a difference between acute and > > > > chronical poisoning. Iron is for instance an element that > > our body > > > > can handle naturally. There are enzymes and mechanism > > present to get > > > > rid of iron. So iron poisoning only occurs when we get > > too much iron > > > > into our system and we overload the natural pathways of clearing > > > > iron. That would be Rik's 2.1 kg. > > > > > > > > In mineralogy that won't be much a problem. More of a > > problem is the > > > > chronical poisoning. Elements foreign to our body do not have a > > > > mechanism by which it is removed. These elements will stay in the > > > > body for longer times. > > > > The effects of these intoxications are cumulative. Many low doses > > > > over time will have can have a serious effect. A good example is > > > > heavy metal poisoning (not through the ears by some > > stereo set, but > > > > by swallowing or inhaling). > > > > The most famous example of such a poisoning are the > > romans who drank > > > > wine from lead vessels. Small amounts of lead dissolved in the > > > > acetic acid of vessels, causing all kinds of health problems. > > > > > > > > Bu nice perodic system because the element names dubnium, > > > > seaborgium, bohrium, hassium, meitnerium and darmstadtium > > are new to > > > > me :-) I guess that the name Bohrium would never make it > > through the > > > > IMA if it was a mineral. > > > > Too close to Borium, (boron)!! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Maurice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dillen > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:15 PM > > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kreigh (et al.), > > > > > > > > This table and the explanations attached are to be taken > > with some > > > > (or much) reserve. > > > > Under Fe (iron) e.g. : > > > > LD50 (oral, rat) =30 gm/kg. (LD50: Lethal dose 50. Single > > dose of a > > > > substance that causes the death of 50% of an animal > > population from > > > > exposure to the substance by any route other than inhalation). > > > > > > > > Unless I misunderstood it, this LD50 value is > > unbelievably theoretic > > > > and extrapolated... extrapolated (linearly, because I don't have > > > > the correct wiehgt factors for the human > > > > body) to the human body this would mean that a man of 70 kg has a > > > > chance of 50 % to die after eating... 2.1 kg (yes, > > > > KILO) of iron oxide. I think he would die from the gravitational > > > > effects of 2 kg of hematite in his stomac rather than the the > > > > chemical effects. > > > > Moreover it is very speculative to try to describe the > > poisonousness > > > > of an element as such in terms of its components. I know many > > > > substances consisting of C, H and O that are just deadly, > > and others > > > > that are vital for life. For barium e.g. the comments are > > somewhat > > > > shaded, making the difference between soluble and > > insoluble barium > > > > salts. > > > > > > > > I agree that this tabel can give a very rough idea > > starting from the > > > > components of a mineral formula, but it should be used with much > > > > reserve and caution because it is insufficiently shaded > > in general > > > > (which would not be possible). > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Rik DILLEN > > > > Doornstraat 15 > > > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > > > Belgium > > > > > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite > > > > and more) > > > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) > > > > postage stamp ! > > > > >>> Exchange list > > > > > > > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > > > > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > > > > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > > > > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > > > > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > > > > > > > > > > *-----Original Message----- > > > > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > > > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *Kreigh > > > > Tomaszewski > > > > *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 6:38 > > > > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible Toxic Effects of Minerals > > > > * > > > > * > > > > *If you have concerns about the possible toxic effects of > > minerals > > > > in *your collection, I have a newly found resource that may help: > > > > * > > > > * The link is a periodic table that includes an overview > > > > *of the health > > > > * effects of each element -- you need to know the > > > > *chemical formula for > > > > * what you have collected, so you can click on each > > > > *component element > > > > * at... > > > > * > > > > * http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm > > > > * > > > > *YMMV. > > > > * > > > > *Kreigh > > > > *_______________________________________________ > > > > *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > *Subscription Services: > > > > *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 14:31:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Mar 13 14:31:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <004501c40947$0c325650$76a2f151@maxdata> Message-ID: <00d601c4094a$7a0081e0$25249444@hewlettlydtpep> calm down Rik. don't get all worked up into a tizzy about a flame war......my point was this effort may unfortunately amount to nothing because French government is too messed up to deal with...in the way that you are trying to deal with it. I applaud your efforts, and I truly hope you have success. From what I have heard from my Parisian friends who deal with the French government regularly, difficulty in dealing with them and even beginning to understand French law and how it applies has something to do with it being based on Roman law. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu > My message was not ment to be comical, neither did I intend to waste my time. > I just want to make myself clear. I have seen the collection myself. I know how it looks. It's not based on third party comments. > Fill in the form if you agree with my message, don't if you don't... Thanks anyway. > No flame wars, please. Stop this thread here. > > Rik DILLEN > > > *-----Original Message----- > *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > *Michael Schmidt > *Sent: zaterdag 13 maart 2004 22:40 > *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral > *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu > * > * > *this is comical......you're wasting your time. A few years > *ago some friends of mine in Paris went dumpster diving outside > *the Paris Museum (paleontology). There was a change in > *government, and the museum > *director(s) were afraid of what the new government head was > *going to say about the sad state of affairs of the museum, as > *far as available space/storage issues. > * > *So, their solution was to take everything lining the hallways > *in the basements and toss it into the dumpsters. > * > *I am not talking about old files.....I am talking about > *hundreds of thousands of dollars in: > * > *Type specimens (that;'s right, folks....Paleontological > *HOLOTYPE specimens) complete, brand new photocopiers other > *fossil collections dating back more than 100 years > * > *In this particular case, it was next to impossible to give any > *of this material to any other institution...including the > *photocopiers. The couldn't de-accession it, so they simply dumped it. > * > *My two friends found out about this on one of the last days > *this was happening, and were only able to scrounge so much of > *the lost material.......about $60,000 worth of fossil materials. > * > *And this is why I laugh so hard at the government's (and > *science's) arguments that commercial fossil dealers and fossil > *collectors are evil and the scourge of the earth, and that all > *of these precious relics of our past are only safe in the > *hands of the government...... > * > *I guess their thoughts were of just returning the material to > *the Earth from whence it came...in this case landfills. > * > *Sadly, Rik, you're wasting your time with this museum. Just > *wait out back until they start tossing stuff...... > * > *Michael > *----- Original Message ----- > *From: "Rik Dillen" > *To: "Rockhounds" > *Cc: ; ; > * > *Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:27 PM > *Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral > *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu > * > * > *[Message sent to about 100 correspondents in BCC for privacy reasons] > * > *In Paris there are solid plans to pack all specimens from the > *University Pierre et Marie Curie (Paris-Jussieu) in boxes, to > *make room for a library. This collection, accessible for the > *public, is one of the finest in the world in a wonderful > *modern museological setting. It would really a shame to put > *the specimens somewhere in a cellar, and very probably many > *brittle specimens will be lost forever. > * > *I received a request to protest against this measure. I would > *request as many of you as possible to support against the > *closure via the form > *http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html > *It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - > *it takes only a minute or so. The website of the museum is at > http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ > > Thank you very much for helping to keep this marvellous collection accessible for the public ! Best regards, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : > http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 17:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat Mar 13 17:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver Gem & Mineral Show's website: A new look!!!! Message-ID: Hi all, The Denver Gem & Mineral Show's website (http://www.DenverMineralShow.com) has gotten a major facelift! We invite you to take a look at it when you have some free time. Here are some of the new features: * Brand new look and feel! * Photo Gallery of past shows! * Informative Questions and Answers page! * Competitive and non-competitive exhibit details! * Fluorescent Room demonstration! * Map to the Show! (courtesy of MapQuest) Of course, the new website has all of the other information that it's had from the very beginning, including: * List of scheduled events * List of dealers who plan on being at the Show * List of invited exhibitors * List of public service sector guests * List of clubs and societies that put on the Show each year * Show hours, admission prices, etc. The lists mentioned above will be updated regularly throughout the year. We hope you enjoy the new Denver Gem & Mineral Show's website and hope to see you there in mid-September! Sincerely, Bob Loeffler, Webmaster Denver Gem & Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 17:30:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Mar 13 17:30:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie C... Message-ID: <1d1.1beed077.2d850f5c@aol.com> Uh similar things have happened in the good ol USA folks. And from big name museums. I know of a fellow who filled his trunk with 1800's monographs published from one of the east coast biggies..... right from the dumpster. Now admittedly these aren't holotypes, but these are classic first printing originals from the icons of American Paleontology. I have a half dozen he gave me. These were volumes that the museum had many of, but they certainly would have had a market, and the $$ raised could have helped support the museum. Unfortunately a museums curation is only as good as it's staff. Stuff happens when there is nobody knowlegeable and responsible to object, particularly in times of strained budgets. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 3/13/2004 4:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: I am not talking about old files.....I am talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in: Type specimens (that;'s right, folks....Paleontological HOLOTYPE specimens) complete, brand new photocopiers other fossil collections dating back more than 100 years --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 18:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Sat Mar 13 18:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re Prineville/Madras PowWows Message-ID: I'm having trouble getting answers to some questions: 1) Is camping available on site at the Prineville event? Is there ANY = camping in the town itself? Can one pitch a tent in the park at the = south end of town? 2) What are typical destinations of Prineville event field trips? "Eggs" = (which localities?), Maury Mtn?, limb casts?, other? 3) At Madras what's the current charge for camping at the fairgrounds = for RV's? For tents? If anybody can supply information, my thanks in advance. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 13 23:12:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Mar 13 23:12:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon Pow Wow's Message-ID: <1ce.1c0b4cc5.2d855fac@aol.com> June 18-20 - REDMOND, OREGON: 21st annual show, "Deschutes County Gem Show"; Jean and Wayne Miller; Deschutes County Fairgrounds, Yew Ave., off Hwy. 97; free admission; minerals, crystals, gems, books, tools, jewelry mounting, demonstrations, handcrafted items; contact Jean Miller, P.O. Box 136, Molalla, OR 97038, (503) 829-2680; e-mail: shadow92337@aol.com. June 30 -July -4 - MADRAS, OREGON: Show; All Rockhound Pow Wow Club of America; Jefferson County Fairgrounds; about 70 dealers, field trips daily; contact Charles Prentice, (360) 293-2031; e-mail: mistybluemorn@aol.com. July 1-4 - SISTERS, OREGON: 8th annual show, "Sisters Roundup of Gems"; Jean and Wayne Miller; Sisters Elementary School, 611 E. Cascade, off Hwy. 20; free admission; minerals, crystals, gems, books, tools, jewelry mounting, demonstrations, handcrafted items; contact Jean Miller, P.O. Box 136, Molalla, OR 97038, (503) 829-2680; e-mail: shadow92337@aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 09:20:07 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Mar 14 09:20:07 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <000d01c40942$10ef0d50$76a2f151@maxdata> Message-ID: <40548D96.FACED70C@att.net> Rik Dillen wrote: > > I received a request to protest against this measure. I would request as many of you as possible to support against the closure via > the form > http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html > It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - it takes only a minute or so. > The website of the museum is at > http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ Hi, I went to the site and I don't know what to do; I only know about 10 words of French. Can you point me in the right direction? Ultimately, silence implies consent. Michael is right in the sense that museums can't preach about key specimens belonging in scientific hands when they do things like these (with "these" being the accumulation of horror stories we hear about what museums and universities have been doing recently). Institutions have the highest responsibility for keeping key specimens and documents in perpetuity on behalf of the public trust. If they violate that trust, they lose their supposed intellectual and ethical high ground. Of course that doesn't mean key specimens belong on a dealer's table, either; they answer is to hold institutions wholly responsible for the way they discharge their duties. Unfortunately, we are in a "down" cycle in that regard, from what I hear. Museums are gutting staff, neglecting geology and mineral displays in favor of things more "relevant and marketable" (their words), and universities are dropping departments & majors. The only thing saving geology at all, I think, are the environmental aspects. In order to do any serious mineralogical work at a university, I will need to do it under the auspices of the geology program. Yes, our letters of protest will likely have no effect. But silence is guaranteed to have no effect. I'd rather go down fighting. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 09:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Mar 14 09:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re Prineville/Madras PowWows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040314092819.01fb2928@mail.spiritone.com> John, the Prineville Show field trips have always been to the old C of C claims, which include the closer to town ones such as Maury Mtn. and Eagle Rock, and the Ochoco thunderegg beds. Don't think they do the limb casts but I haven't been on any of their trips; it's a heck of a lot more relaxing visiting those palces by myself or with the MHRC. Someone from the club will no doubt be at the Fallen Tree egg bed that week from the club so you can go legally during the show lol. I think you have to camp at the Ochoco CG east of town, but I'm not sure. I think the FGs is for the dealers. And the Madras FG is (was) something like $7.50 for tents and $15 for RVs a few years back. Save yourself the money and come on out to Richardson's; they have a potluck BBQ to beat all BBQs and we will be there for the whole show - free camping, and showers :) Don't forget the Ashwood ranches during the Madras show; it's one of the 3 times you can get in during the year and we have a new egg bed out there that is producing some dandies ;) At 06:23 PM 3/13/2004, you wrote: >I'm having trouble getting answers to some questions: > >1) Is camping available on site at the Prineville event? Is there ANY >camping in the town itself? Can one pitch a tent in the park at the south >end of town? > >2) What are typical destinations of Prineville event field trips? "Eggs" >(which localities?), Maury Mtn?, limb casts?, other? > >3) At Madras what's the current charge for camping at the fairgrounds for >RV's? For tents? > >If anybody can supply information, my thanks in advance. > >John > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 11:27:39 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Conroy) Date: Sun Mar 14 11:27:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <000d01c40942$10ef0d50$76a2f151@maxdata> <40548D96.FACED70C@att.net> Message-ID: <000e01c409fa$85052f40$938d4a0c@kcmins> Hi! Go to http://babelfish.altavista.com and paste the geopolis URL into the "translate a web page" box. Click the "French to English" option, click "translate", and whala...... you speak French! All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu > Rik Dillen wrote: > > > > I received a request to protest against this measure. I would request as many of you as possible to support against the closure via > > the form > > http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html > > It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - it takes only a minute or so. > > The website of the museum is at > > http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ > > Hi, > > I went to the site and I don't know what to do; I only know about 10 > words of French. Can you point me in the right direction? > > Ultimately, silence implies consent. Michael is right in the sense that > museums can't preach about key specimens belonging in scientific hands > when they do things like these (with "these" being the accumulation of > horror stories we hear about what museums and universities have been > doing recently). Institutions have the highest responsibility for > keeping key specimens and documents in perpetuity on behalf of the > public trust. If they violate that trust, they lose their supposed > intellectual and ethical high ground. Of course that doesn't mean key > specimens belong on a dealer's table, either; they answer is to hold > institutions wholly responsible for the way they discharge their > duties. Unfortunately, we are in a "down" cycle in that regard, from > what I hear. Museums are gutting staff, neglecting geology and mineral > displays in favor of things more "relevant and marketable" (their > words), and universities are dropping departments & majors. The only > thing saving geology at all, I think, are the environmental aspects. In > order to do any serious mineralogical work at a university, I will need > to do it under the auspices of the geology program. > > Yes, our letters of protest will likely have no effect. But silence is > guaranteed to have no effect. I'd rather go down fighting. > > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 11:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Mar 14 11:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <000d01c40942$10ef0d50$76a2f151@maxdata> <40548D96.FACED70C@att.net> <000e01c409fa$85052f40$938d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <4054B4C5.C1FDEF9F@att.net> Kevin Conroy wrote: > > Hi! > > Go to http://babelfish.altavista.com and paste the geopolis URL into the > "translate a web page" box. Click the "French to English" option, click > "translate", and whala...... you speak French! Oh yes I forgot about that sort of thing... those translators usually do a dubious job but in this case, it is the perfect use for it! Thanks, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 11:40:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 14 11:40:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu In-Reply-To: <40548D96.FACED70C@att.net> Message-ID: <002b01c409fc$0e2e4b20$71c5f051@maxdata> I suggested Frederic Delporte to provide an English translation of the form, or a bilingual form to help non-French-speaking people in thei support. Best regards, Rik DILLEN *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H *Sent: zondag 14 maart 2004 17:52 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu * * *Rik Dillen wrote: *> *> I received a request to protest against this measure. I *would request *> as many of you as possible to support against the closure *via the form *> *> http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html *> It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in *- it takes only a minute or so. *> The website of the museum is at *> http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ * *Hi, * *I went to the site and I don't know what to do; I only know *about 10 words of French. Can you point me in the right direction? * *Ultimately, silence implies consent. Michael is right in the *sense that museums can't preach about key specimens belonging *in scientific hands when they do things like these (with *"these" being the accumulation of horror stories we hear about *what museums and universities have been doing recently). *Institutions have the highest responsibility for keeping key *specimens and documents in perpetuity on behalf of the public *trust. If they violate that trust, they lose their supposed *intellectual and ethical high ground. Of course that doesn't *mean key specimens belong on a dealer's table, either; they *answer is to hold institutions wholly responsible for the way *they discharge their duties. Unfortunately, we are in a *"down" cycle in that regard, from what I hear. Museums are *gutting staff, neglecting geology and mineral displays in *favor of things more "relevant and marketable" (their words), *and universities are dropping departments & majors. The only *thing saving geology at all, I think, are the environmental *aspects. In order to do any serious mineralogical work at a *university, I will need to do it under the auspices of the *geology program. * *Yes, our letters of protest will likely have no effect. But *silence is guaranteed to have no effect. I'd rather go down fighting. * * *Don *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 11:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 14 11:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu In-Reply-To: <000e01c409fa$85052f40$938d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: <003701c409fc$cfdef300$71c5f051@maxdata> (Nearly) perfect solution. Just translate "enamel" (in French émail) by "E-mail adress" :>)) Thanks for your input ! Rik DILLEN *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Conroy *Sent: zondag 14 maart 2004 20:28 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu * * *Hi! * *Go to http://babelfish.altavista.com and paste the geopolis *URL into the *"translate a web page" box. Click the "French to English" *option, click *"translate", and whala...... you speak French! * *All the best, *Kevin *www.kcminerals.com * * * *----- Original Message ----- *From: "Don H" *To: *Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:51 AM *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral *collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu * * *> Rik Dillen wrote: *> > *> > I received a request to protest against this measure. I would *> > request as *many of you as possible to support against the closure via *> > the form *> > *http://www.geopolis-fr.com/index1.html *> > It is in French, but it's very obvious to put your data in - it *> > takes *only a minute or so. *> > The website of the museum is at *http://www.lmcp.jussieu.fr/mineraux/ *> *> Hi, *> *> I went to the site and I don't know what to do; I only know about 10 *> words of French. Can you point me in the right direction? *> *> Ultimately, silence implies consent. Michael is right in the sense *> that museums can't preach about key specimens belonging in *scientific *> hands when they do things like these (with "these" being the *> accumulation of horror stories we hear about what museums and *> universities have been doing recently). Institutions have *the highest *> responsibility for keeping key specimens and documents in perpetuity *> on behalf of the public trust. If they violate that trust, *they lose *> their supposed intellectual and ethical high ground. Of course that *> doesn't mean key specimens belong on a dealer's table, either; they *> answer is to hold institutions wholly responsible for the way they *> discharge their duties. Unfortunately, we are in a "down" cycle in *> that regard, from what I hear. Museums are gutting staff, *neglecting *> geology and mineral displays in favor of things more "relevant and *> marketable" (their words), and universities are dropping *departments & *> majors. The only thing saving geology at all, I think, are the *> environmental aspects. In order to do any serious *mineralogical work *> at a university, I will need to do it under the auspices of the *> geology program. *> *> Yes, our letters of protest will likely have no effect. But silence *> is guaranteed to have no effect. I'd rather go down fighting. *> *> *> Don *> _______________________________________________ *> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *> Subscription Services: *> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 14:00:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 14 14:00:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu In-Reply-To: <00d601c4094a$7a0081e0$25249444@hewlettlydtpep> Message-ID: <001b01c40a0f$86a87270$71c5f051@maxdata> I post this message on demand of several list-members. To facilitate access to non-french speaking persons some more detailed instructions : 1) copy http://www.geopolis-fr.com/jussieu.html 2) go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/ 3) paste http://www.geopolis-fr.com/jussieu.html into the case "translate a www-page" 4) choose "French to English" 5) you will see now a more or less usable translation of the website - here is a somewhat better translation (form only) : Nom et prénom(*) ------> last name and first name Profession (facultatif) ------> occupation (not obligatory) Administration ou entreprise (*) ------> name of institute or company Adresse (*) ------> adress E-Mail(*) ------> e-mail adress Je souhaite être tenu informé de l’évolution de la situation : Oui Non ------> I want to be kept informed about the evolution of the situation : choose yes or no Je souhaite être invité à participer à la réunion du 19 mars à Paris : Oui Non -----> I wish to be invited to participate at the meeting on 19 March : choose NO je souhaite apporter mon soutien en adhérant à l’AMIS : Oui Non ------> I wish to support by becoming a member : choose NO (except specific cases) Association des amis de la Collection de Minéraux de la Sorbonne) Membre honoraire 25 € Couple 40 € Membre bienfaiteur >40 €Imprimez ce formulaire, joignez votre chèque et envoyez directement à A.M.I.S Case 115 4 place Jussieu 75252 PARIS cedex 05 à paragraph not applicable if you choose NO to become a member Mon soutien peut se concrétiser de la manière suivante ------> my support could be realised in the following way : Je peux vous mettre en relation avec (décisionnaire, politique, médias,..) : ------> I can bring you in contact with (decisionmakers, politicians, etc.) Best regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 19:11:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 14 19:11:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Self introduction Message-ID: <000c01c40a3a$eca2f520$6601a8c0@home> Hello 'hounds! I am an engineer with CenturyTel, retired early with VeriZon. My wife & = I have 4 grown daughters, 7 grandchildren (so far), and we both = recently joined the Mobile Rock & Gem Society. My interest in "rocks" must be instinctual, as the collecting has been = going on for as long as I can remember. It started in the graveled = driveway. I still have a "petrified worm section" about 3/4"long x 1/2" = diameter I found there. Most of my collection was purchased at shops & shows one piece at a = time, but it does include a lot of items I've found in the field. I am most interested in fossils and natural formations but also enjoy = the things people have "exposed" by working on rocks and minerals. I look forward to reading the articles posted to this list and to = getting to know some of "ya'll". =20 Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 20:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 14 20:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <001b01c40a0f$86a87270$71c5f051@maxdata> Message-ID: <40552D16.76D0@Tomaszewski.net> Rik, I would urge your friends to press the present curators to immediately begin to post the collection online. Should all else fail a great resource would not be completely lost. A virtual collection is better than none, and it actually might be seen by more people than the original. It also greatly expands the audience that might visit or support the museum. Also press to keep one or more curators to properly oversee the transition. Discuss deaccessing some of the collection (it can't all be on display) to help fund staff retention, specimen conditions, and expediting a move to suitable new quarters. Offer qualified custodial curators (i.e., experienced collectors) to safeguard specimens that must be stored in less than optimal conditions while new space is prepared. Discuss schedules and see if the new space can be advanced to facilitate a move to new quarters, bypassing a term in storage. If storage, don't let them forget the promise to return the collection to display; complain to an ever widening circle of bureaucrats. And keep in the back of your mind that if it all falls apart, you want to be in a position to at least ask (in time) if you can pack and remove the collection instead of having it thrown in a dumpster. You would need a lot of prepared people so you could guarantee doing it nearly as fast and much cheaper than if they just dumped the space themselves to empty it. >From the pictures I've seen looking into this I wish the museum was near enough to me so I could easily visit it. I can appreciate your interest in taking efforts to preserve it, and the long tradition it preserves. I hope my suggestions are at least considered; the odds for the museum are not good, but not insurmountable, in my opinion. I support your effort and wish you luck -- unfortunately, you are going to need lots of it to keep the museum intact and relocate the library -- and hope the comprimise you force is favorable. Kreigh Rik Dillen wrote: > > I post this message on demand of several list-members. > To facilitate access to non-french speaking persons some more detailed instructions : > 1) copy http://www.geopolis-fr.com/jussieu.html > 2) go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/ > 3) paste http://www.geopolis-fr.com/jussieu.html into the case "translate a www-page" > 4) choose "French to English" > 5) you will see now a more or less usable translation of the website - here is a somewhat better translation (form only) : > Nom et prénom(*) ------> last name and first name > Profession (facultatif) ------> occupation (not obligatory) > Administration ou entreprise (*) ------> name of institute or company > Adresse (*) ------> adress > E-Mail(*) ------> e-mail adress > Je souhaite être tenu informé de l’évolution de la situation : Oui Non ------> I want to be kept informed about the evolution of > the situation : choose yes or no > Je souhaite être invité à participer à la réunion du 19 mars à Paris : Oui Non -----> I wish to be invited to participate at the > meeting on 19 March : choose NO > je souhaite apporter mon soutien en adhérant à l’AMIS : Oui Non ------> I wish to support by becoming a member : choose NO > (except specific cases) > > Association des amis de la Collection de Minéraux de la Sorbonne) > Membre honoraire 25 * Couple 40 * Membre bienfaiteur >40 *Imprimez ce formulaire, joignez votre chèque et envoyez directement à > A.M.I.S Case 115 4 place Jussieu 75252 PARIS cedex 05 à paragraph not applicable if you choose NO to become a member > > Mon soutien peut se concrétiser de la manière suivante ------> my support could be realised in the following way : > > Je peux vous mettre en relation avec (décisionnaire, politique, médias,..) : ------> I can bring you in contact with > (decisionmakers, politicians, etc.) > > Best regards, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15 > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 20:43:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 14 20:43:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Self introduction References: <000c01c40a3a$eca2f520$6601a8c0@home> Message-ID: <40553438.1A1D@Tomaszewski.net> Welcome Glenn! I hail from Michigan, but you will find folks from all over the globe, with all levels of experience, on this list. And as with any list, you need to provide some input to really get something out of the list. Thanks for stepping forward; good questions and postings get responses. Good to hear you have connected with a local rock club; same rules apply, and you need to put some effort into the club to get the best return. Making a local club connection is usually the first advice for list newcomers with a question. My Mom always told me I started bringing rocks into the house as soon as I was allowed to crawl outside. You are not alone. But this list probably won't help as most of us are addicted to rockhounding (be it minerals, in my case, or fossils, in yours). Welcome to the club. Hi, my name is Kreigh, and I'm a Rockhound. We have much in common. Please support me in dealing with my addiction (and tell me of your experiences, so I can do better in my own collecting). Cheers! Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Hello 'hounds! > > I am an engineer with CenturyTel, retired early with VeriZon. My wife & I have 4 grown daughters, 7 grandchildren (so far), and we both recently joined the Mobile Rock & Gem Society. > My interest in "rocks" must be instinctual, as the collecting has been going on for as long as I can remember. It started in the graveled driveway. I still have a "petrified worm section" about 3/4"long x 1/2" diameter I found there. > Most of my collection was purchased at shops & shows one piece at a time, but it does include a lot of items I've found in the field. > I am most interested in fossils and natural formations but also enjoy the things people have "exposed" by working on rocks and minerals. > I look forward to reading the articles posted to this list and to getting to know some of "ya'll". > > Glenn Wimpee > Irvington, Alabama From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 23:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sun Mar 14 23:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re Prineville/Madras PowWows Message-ID: I have to second Tim's suggestions, Richardson's was great when we went over 2 years ago! The BBQ was awesome and you couldn't meet a bunch of nicer people. Free camping and showers are always a plus too! Wish I could go this year, but maybe next! Dawn Fredricks >From: "Tim Fisher" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re Prineville/Madras PowWows Save yourself the money and come on out to >Richardson's; they have a potluck BBQ to beat all BBQs and we will be there >for the whole show - free camping, and showers :) Don't forget the Ashwood >ranches during the Madras show; it's one of the 3 times you can get in >during the year and we have a new egg bed out there that is producing some >dandies ;) > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 14 23:46:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 14 23:46:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Loooking for Wes Lingerfeld Message-ID: <20040315074544.DRY11819.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hi all, Does anyone have Wes Lingerfeld's email? Or Wes, if you're lurking on this list would you please email me? Cheers & thanks Hans Durstling for now still in Sunland CA where they ain't no snow From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 02:31:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (armando afonso) Date: Mon Mar 15 02:31:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu References: <001b01c40a0f$86a87270$71c5f051@maxdata> <40552D16.76D0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002501c40a78$861cbc80$97e1fea9@ArmandoAfonso> Why not to try to buy it? If it is rubish, I could pay a few thousands for it. Armando Afonso ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Possible closure of the mineral collection Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris-Jussieu > Rik, > > I would urge your friends to press the present curators to immediately > begin to post the collection online. Should all else fail a great > resource would not be completely lost. A virtual collection is better > than none, and it actually might be seen by more people than the > original. It also greatly expands the audience that might visit or > support the museum. > > Also press to keep one or more curators to properly oversee the > transition. Discuss deaccessing some of the collection (it can't all be > on display) to help fund staff retention, specimen conditions, and > expediting a move to suitable new quarters. Offer qualified custodial > curators (i.e., experienced collectors) to safeguard specimens that must > be stored in less than optimal conditions while new space is prepared. > > Discuss schedules and see if the new space can be advanced to facilitate > a move to new quarters, bypassing a term in storage. If storage, don't > let them forget the promise to return the collection to display; > complain to an ever widening circle of bureaucrats. > > And keep in the back of your mind that if it all falls apart, you want > to be in a position to at least ask (in time) if you can pack and remove > the collection instead of having it thrown in a dumpster. You would need > a lot of prepared people so you could guarantee doing it nearly as fast > and much cheaper than if they just dumped the space themselves to empty > it. > > From the pictures I've seen looking into this I wish the museum was near > enough to me so I could easily visit it. I can appreciate your interest > in taking efforts to preserve it, and the long tradition it preserves. I > hope my suggestions are at least considered; the odds for the museum are > not good, but not insurmountable, in my opinion. > > I support your effort and wish you luck -- unfortunately, you are going > to need lots of it to keep the museum intact and relocate the library -- > and hope the comprimise you force is favorable. > > Kreigh > > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: > > > > I post this message on demand of several list-members. > > To facilitate access to non-french speaking persons some more detailed instructions : > > 1) copy http://www.geopolis-fr.com/jussieu.html > > 2) go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/ > > 3) paste http://www.geopolis-fr.com/jussieu.html into the case "translate a www-page" > > 4) choose "French to English" > > 5) you will see now a more or less usable translation of the website - here is a somewhat better translation (form only) : > > Nom et prénom(*) ------> last name and first name > > Profession (facultatif) ------> occupation (not obligatory) > > Administration ou entreprise (*) ------> name of institute or company > > Adresse (*) ------> adress > > E-Mail(*) ------> e-mail adress > > Je souhaite être tenu informé de l'évolution de la situation : Oui Non ------> I want to be kept informed about the evolution of > > the situation : choose yes or no > > Je souhaite être invité à participer à la réunion du 19 mars à Paris : Oui Non -----> I wish to be invited to participate at the > > meeting on 19 March : choose NO > > je souhaite apporter mon soutien en adhérant à l'AMIS : Oui Non ------> I wish to support by becoming a member : choose NO > > (except specific cases) > > > > Association des amis de la Collection de Minéraux de la Sorbonne) > > Membre honoraire 25 * Couple 40 * Membre bienfaiteur >40 *Imprimez ce formulaire, joignez votre chèque et envoyez directement à > > A.M.I.S Case 115 4 place Jussieu 75252 PARIS cedex 05 à paragraph not applicable if you choose NO to become a member > > > > Mon soutien peut se concrétiser de la manière suivante ------> my support could be realised in the following way : > > > > Je peux vous mettre en relation avec (décisionnaire, politique, médias,..) : ------> I can bring you in contact with > > (decisionmakers, politicians, etc.) > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rik DILLEN > > Doornstraat 15 > > B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > > Belgium > > > > Tel. + 32 3 7706007 > > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > > > > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > > >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) > > >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > > >>> Exchange list > > > > MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 > > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > > Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > > > > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 06:30:15 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 15 06:30:15 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: <000d01c40942$10ef0d50$76a2f151@maxdata> Message-ID: <004a01c40a9a$02b0f790$6501a8c0@moose> Here's a different one for you... I'm back in graduate school (old dog, new tricks!), and I'm taking a class on middle school/secondary school teaching techniques. I've come up with a science classroom "game" activity that will explore risk analysis (which is one of the National Science Foundation benchmarks). Things like... There's been a bombing on an airplane. You have to be half-way across the country in 2 days. How do you get there?" Anywho... I'm looking for other science-type "risk" situations. You, my fellow rockhounds, are some of the more clever (cleverer?) folks around. Any suggestions? Thanks... Gary From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 06:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 15 06:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: <004a01c40a9a$02b0f790$6501a8c0@moose> References: <004a01c40a9a$02b0f790$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <4055C28D.6060601@hal-pc.org> Gary Brown wrote: >Here's a different one for you... > >I'm back in graduate school (old dog, new tricks!), and I'm taking a class >on middle school/secondary school teaching techniques. I've come up with a >science classroom "game" activity that will explore risk analysis (which is >one of the National Science Foundation benchmarks). Things like... There's >been a bombing on an airplane. You have to be half-way across the country >in 2 days. How do you get there?" Anywho... I'm looking for other >science-type "risk" situations. You, my fellow rockhounds, are some of the >more clever (cleverer?) folks around. Any suggestions? > >Thanks... >Gary > > I should think that "risk analysis" is mathematics, not science. That implies some kind of heuristic algorithm to solve the problem. However the first problem is deciding on what is relevant data, and how does one find accurate reality-based data? When did they start putting games in a discipline which is clearly content-based, as science is? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 06:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Mar 15 06:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: <004a01c40a9a$02b0f790$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: We do risk analysis in my entry-level GIS/Geology classes all the time (I'm the lead TA for the course). We take it from the standpoint of buying a house and/or building a development. Analyze flood hazards (recurrance interval and estimating probabilities), earthquake hazards, volcanic hazards, landslide hazards, etc. Granted, this is a college-level course. But kids love to look at maps, and you could tone it down a bit. Easily do-able w/o the GIS component. If interested: http://web.pdx.edu/~afox/g299/ BTW: Most of my students appear to be writing at a middle-school level, so this may not be all that off base. a. > Here's a different one for you... > > I'm back in graduate school (old dog, new tricks!), and I'm taking a class > on middle school/secondary school teaching techniques. I've come up with a > science classroom "game" activity that will explore risk analysis (which is > one of the National Science Foundation benchmarks). Things like... There's > been a bombing on an airplane. You have to be half-way across the country > in 2 days. How do you get there?" Anywho... I'm looking for other > science-type "risk" situations. You, my fellow rockhounds, are some of the > more clever (cleverer?) folks around. Any suggestions? > > Thanks... > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 07:00:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Mar 15 07:00:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: <4055C28D.6060601@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: John wrote: "I should think that "risk analysis" is mathematics, not science. That implies some kind of heuristic algorithm to solve the problem. However the first problem is deciding on what is relevant data, and how does one find accurate reality-based data? When did they start putting games in a discipline which is clearly content-based, as science is?" John, I'm glad to know that I teach "Science" while the rest of my Department (the Mathematicians and Physicists) do not. Henry Barwood Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science Department of Math and Physics MSCX 312G Troy State University Troy, Alabama 36082 hbarwood@troyst.edu From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 07:57:26 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 15 07:57:26 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c40aa1$01a96e70$6501a8c0@moose> It's a practical use OF science. So... You think you want to live near New Madrid 'cause it's in the middle of the continent and a "safe" place? The science can give you a sense "of the odds", the risk analysis gives you the tools to figure out if you really want to build on that river slope next to the river. For example, with my travel/bombing scenario you can see that the number of car-related deaths went up after 9/11 as folks drove to places rather than take planes...even though planes were (and are) safer. Another example... Birth control pills have an associated risk of heart attack (and other things) with women who smoke. However, getting pregnant has a MUCH higher death rate than the rate associated with taking The Pill. Compare & contrast. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Henry Barwood > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:03 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis > > > John wrote: > > "I should think that "risk analysis" is mathematics, not > science. That implies some kind of heuristic algorithm to > solve the problem. However the first problem is deciding on > what is relevant data, and how does one find accurate > reality-based data? > > When did they start putting games in a discipline which is > clearly content-based, as science is?" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 07:58:35 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 15 07:58:35 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4055CC85.3080100@hal-pc.org> Henry Barwood wrote: >John wrote: > ... >When did they start putting games in a discipline which is clearly >content-based, as science is?" > >John, > >I'm glad to know that I teach "Science" while the rest of my Department (the >Mathematicians and Physicists) do not. > >Henry Barwood >Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science >Department of Math and Physics >MSCX 312G >Troy State University >Troy, Alabama 36082 >hbarwood@troyst.edu > > What is "Earth Science"? john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 08:55:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Mon Mar 15 08:55:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: <000701c40aa1$01a96e70$6501a8c0@moose> References: <000701c40aa1$01a96e70$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <4055E0F2.9000605@hal-pc.org> Gary Brown wrote: >It's a practical use OF science. > Science is information of a particular kind, gathered under a particular philosophy; it has no practical uses; only technology does. The key to usefulness is how good is the technology? > So... You think you want to live near New >Madrid 'cause it's in the middle of the continent and a "safe" place? The >science can give you a sense "of the odds", the risk analysis gives you the >tools to figure out if you really want to build on that river slope next to >the river. > The geologists tell us that there is a fault called the "New Madrid". The seismologists tell us what kind of activity is happening there. Historical data tells us that a major earthquake did occur in the area in the 1800's. That's all we know. Except that we know landslides occur without the benefit of seismic activity; and floods occur more frequently than earthquakes in the Midwest, which should be more apropos to the riverbank problem. > For example, with my travel/bombing scenario you can see that >the number of car-related deaths went up after 9/11 as folks drove to places >rather than take planes...even though planes were (and are) safer. > > And the number of vehicle miles went up also. Even if the number of deaths per passenger mile remained the same, the number of deaths should rise. Concurrently, the number of deaths per passenger mile decreased for the airlines -- or did it? -- since the number of passenger miles also decreased. >Another example... Birth control pills have an associated risk of heart >attack (and other things) with women who smoke. However, getting pregnant >has a MUCH higher death rate than the rate associated with taking The Pill. >Compare & contrast. > >GcB > > > I'm not even going to get into that one. john From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 09:38:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 15 09:38:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis Message-ID: <031520041737.1289.56fa@att.net> Hi Gary, Let's see, I can think of several risk analysis situations, including some of the obvious natural-hazard ones that I'm sure you've thought about such as, living/building in a flood plain living on a rockslide or landslide-prone hill lving near a dormant volcano living in a near-coastal area subject to hurricane-flooding, etc. (interesting, a lot of these don't involve choices between a greater or lesser risk, it's more a matter of risking some danger or loss because of the other benefits (i.e., living in a scenic place). how about some of these are more like choices, (and I'll add some that are a little more bio-environmental in nature than strictly geological), Driving on I-70 across the continental divide in Colorado (aside from accidents due to icy roads, careless drivers, runaway trucks, avalanches, and mudslides, once about maybe every 5 years, a motorist is killed outright by a rock falling off the high steep roadcut right outside Georgetown, CO, and clobbering his vehicle! doing recreational: mouuntain climbing rock climbing caving cave diving skiing surfing eating swordfish and related oceanic predator fish (toxic mercury) eating any fish from local lakes in many areas (mercury or other toxins) drinking local tap water (fear of chlorine, contaminants?), or local spring or well water (bacterial contaminants, radon?) living in a former mining or smelting area (lead and other metals in the soil--how much of a hazard?) or around an asbestos-mining area. or living near a currently active mine site or smelter (possible toxic dust, fumes) working in a coal mine/metal mine (probably the mechanical accident hazards far outweigh the dust etc. health hazards, thanks to current safe mining practices) living in a house/building with: asbestos insulation etc. old lead-based paint lead in some pipes radon buildup in the basement mineral collecting in a mine with lots of lead or other heavy-metal minerals; or dust; or rockfall and other hazards keeping uranium minerals in your mineral collection I guess one could think of a whole lot of such things! Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 09:38:52 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 15 09:38:52 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis Message-ID: <031520041737.1395.652c@att.net> Hi Gary, Let's see, I can think of several risk analysis situations, including some of the obvious natural-hazard ones that I'm sure you've thought about such as, living/building in a flood plain living on a rockslide or landslide-prone hill lving near a dormant volcano living in a near-coastal area subject to hurricane-flooding, etc. (interesting, a lot of these don't involve choices between a greater or lesser risk, it's more a matter of risking some danger or loss because of the other benefits (i.e., living in a scenic place). how about some of these are more like choices, (and I'll add some that are a little more bio-environmental in nature than strictly geological), Driving on I-70 across the continental divide in Colorado (aside from accidents due to icy roads, careless drivers, runaway trucks, avalanches, and mudslides, once about maybe every 5 years, a motorist is killed outright by a rock falling off the high steep roadcut right outside Georgetown, CO, and clobbering his vehicle! doing recreational: mouuntain climbing rock climbing caving cave diving skiing surfing eating swordfish and related oceanic predator fish (toxic mercury) eating any fish from local lakes in many areas (mercury or other toxins) drinking local tap water (fear of chlorine, contaminants?), or local spring or well water (bacterial contaminants, radon?) living in a former mining or smelting area (lead and other metals in the soil--how much of a hazard?) or around an asbestos-mining area. or living near a currently active mine site or smelter (possible toxic dust, fumes) working in a coal mine/metal mine (probably the mechanical accident hazards far outweigh the dust etc. health hazards, thanks to current safe mining practices) living in a house/building with: asbestos insulation etc. old lead-based paint lead in some pipes radon buildup in the basement mineral collecting in a mine with lots of lead or other heavy-metal minerals; or dust; or rockfall and other hazards keeping uranium minerals in your mineral collection I guess one could think of a whole lot of such things! Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 09:39:05 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 15 09:39:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis Message-ID: <031520041737.1751.1350@att.net> Hi Gary, Let's see, I can think of several risk analysis situations, including some of the obvious natural-hazard ones that I'm sure you've thought about such as, living/building in a flood plain living on a rockslide or landslide-prone hill lving near a dormant volcano living in a near-coastal area subject to hurricane-flooding, etc. (interesting, a lot of these don't involve choices between a greater or lesser risk, it's more a matter of risking some danger or loss because of the other benefits (i.e., living in a scenic place). how about some of these are more like choices, (and I'll add some that are a little more bio-environmental in nature than strictly geological), Driving on I-70 across the continental divide in Colorado (aside from accidents due to icy roads, careless drivers, runaway trucks, avalanches, and mudslides, once about maybe every 5 years, a motorist is killed outright by a rock falling off the high steep roadcut right outside Georgetown, CO, and clobbering his vehicle! doing recreational: mouuntain climbing rock climbing caving cave diving skiing surfing eating swordfish and related oceanic predator fish (toxic mercury) eating any fish from local lakes in many areas (mercury or other toxins) drinking local tap water (fear of chlorine, contaminants?), or local spring or well water (bacterial contaminants, radon?) living in a former mining or smelting area (lead and other metals in the soil--how much of a hazard?) or around an asbestos-mining area. or living near a currently active mine site or smelter (possible toxic dust, fumes) working in a coal mine/metal mine (probably the mechanical accident hazards far outweigh the dust etc. health hazards, thanks to current safe mining practices) living in a house/building with: asbestos insulation etc. old lead-based paint lead in some pipes radon buildup in the basement mineral collecting in a mine with lots of lead or other heavy-metal minerals; or dust; or rockfall and other hazards keeping uranium minerals in your mineral collection I guess one could think of a whole lot of such things! Pete From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 16:31:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 15 16:31:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for a book Message-ID: <12d.3c6106aa.2d87a4a7@aol.com> I'm am looking for a book titled "Mineral Collecting at Searles Lake," by Jon Gladwell. I've tried several email addresses with no success or replies, and I've written to him at Myrrdin-Emrys at 3235 SE 56th Avenue, Portland, Oregon 97206-2007 but received no reply. Any suggestions as to where I might obtain this book? Thank you. Tim McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 17:15:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 15 17:15:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for a book In-Reply-To: <12d.3c6106aa.2d87a4a7@aol.com> References: <12d.3c6106aa.2d87a4a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040315171150.01fa5ce0@mail.spiritone.com> Mr. Gladwell is, shall we say, "indisposed", for an indefinite time in the future? I can't help you with your request either, but you aren't going to hear back from him for a few years, at the very least. At 04:30 PM 3/15/2004, you wrote: >I'm am looking for a book titled "Mineral Collecting at Searles Lake," by Jon >Gladwell. I've tried several email addresses with no success or replies, and >I've written to him at Myrrdin-Emrys at 3235 SE 56th Avenue, Portland, Oregon >97206-2007 but received no reply. Any suggestions as to where I might obtain >this book? Thank you. >Tim McGinnis > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 17:54:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 15 17:54:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for a book References: <12d.3c6106aa.2d87a4a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <40565E0A.58E7@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > I'm am looking for a book titled "Mineral Collecting at Searles Lake," by Jon > Gladwell. I've tried several email addresses with no success or replies, and > I've written to him at Myrrdin-Emrys at 3235 SE 56th Avenue, Portland, Oregon > 97206-2007 but received no reply. Any suggestions as to where I might obtain > this book? Thank you. > Tim McGinnis Carol Bova has a writeup on the book at bovagems.com and refers people to myrddin@zephyr.net to contact Jon directly to obtain it. You might contact Carol if that address doesn't work. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 18:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Mar 15 18:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for a book Message-ID: Tim is correct, Jon won't be around for a while. His website didn't work last time I tried. I never said anything before, because I didn't want to be accused of rumors. If anyone wants more info, they can contact me off list and I will send them a copy of the newpaper article. The book is available from Nature of the Northwest http://www.naturenw.org/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi. It's $8.95 plus $3.00 shipping. I love that store. It's here in Portland and I never walk out of there without spending at least $20.00. >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Looking for a book >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:57:16 -0500 > >MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > > > I'm am looking for a book titled "Mineral Collecting at Searles Lake," >by Jon > > Gladwell. I've tried several email addresses with no success or replies, >and > > I've written to him at Myrrdin-Emrys at 3235 SE 56th Avenue, Portland, >Oregon > > 97206-2007 but received no reply. Any suggestions as to where I might >obtain > > this book? Thank you. > > Tim McGinnis > >Carol Bova has a writeup on the book at bovagems.com and refers people >to myrddin@zephyr.net to contact Jon directly to obtain it. You might >contact Carol if that address doesn't work. > >Kreigh _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 18:17:18 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Mar 15 18:17:18 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for a book References: <12d.3c6106aa.2d87a4a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c40aeb$94fb3560$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Tim, You may try the DOGAMI store in Portland, OR - though it's doubtful that they have it. Powell's used books may have a copy. Jon's e-mail and website are down so don't bother trying them. John > I'm am looking for a book titled "Mineral Collecting at Searles Lake," by Jon Gladwell. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 15 20:11:09 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Mar 15 20:11:09 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Welcome Message-ID: <001901c40b0c$7c461fa0$6601a8c0@home> Kreigh, Thanks for the welcome. Glenn=20 Irvington, Alabama --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 12:26:39 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Mar 16 12:26:39 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Gold! micro material Message-ID: <001001c40b8d$dd5bed20$225204d0@jim> SAuktown Sales website has been updated again. This time the featured = new mineral is Gold. These aren't just flakes, but solid 3-dimensional = nuggets, most with some rough crystal faces showing. They are from Nova = Scotia, Canada. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 12:41:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Mar 16 12:41:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis and the Scientific Method-- Long Quote Delete if not Interested In-Reply-To: <031520041737.1395.652c@att.net> Message-ID: <200403161943.i2GJhrY4057907@mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net> One of the great writers and philosophers of the 20th century, Walker Percy, was intrigued and wrote extensively on Science, Language, and Literature. I urge anyone interested in science, technology, art, and the quest for "truth" to check out his book 'Signposts in a Strange Land'. A short excerpt from his essay in the above book named "Diagnosing the Modern Malaise" is, I think, extremely insightful. "But we miss the point if we say that the Western world and the life of Western man has simply been transformed by scientific technology. This is true enough, but what has also happened is that the consciousness of Western man, the layman in particular, has been transformed by a curious misapprehension of the scientific method. One is tempted to use the theological term 'idolatry'. This apprehension, which is not the fault of science, but rather an inevitable consequence of the victory of the scientific worldview accompanied as it is by all the dazzling credentials of scientific progress. It, the misapprehension, takes the form, I believe, of a radical and paradoxical loss of sovereignty by the layman and of a radical impoverishment of human relations--paradoxical, I say, because it occurs in the very face of his technological mastery of the work and his richness as a consumer of the world's goods. " "Let me oversimplify this misapprehension and state it as briefly as possible. What I am about to say is no secret to the scientist, in fact a commonplace, but is not generally known by laymen. The secret is simply this: the scientist in practicing the scientific method, cannot utter a single word about an individual thing or creature insofar as it is an individual but only insofar as it resembles other individuals. This limitation holds true whether the individual is a molecule of NaCl or an amoeba or a human being. There is nothing new or startling about this and nothing a scientist would disagree with. We all remember taking science courses where one was confronted with a SAMPLE OF (italicized) sodium chloride or a SPECIMEN OF a dogfish to dissect. Such studies reveal the properties shared by all sodium chloride and by all dogfish. We have no particular interest in this particular pinch of salt or this particular dogfish." "Chekhov, being both a scientist and a superb artist, knew this better than most: with the method of science, one beholds what is generally true about individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true" Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 13:33:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Tue Mar 16 13:33:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification Message-ID: I just received the following email from the Portland Chapter of the GPAA (Gold Prospectors Association of America). I don't know about anyone on the list, but I can't think of a better way to spend a day than picking up agates on the beach. Please email your concerns to the email address below! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon Secretary Northwest Mineral Prospectors Club http://www.nwmpc.com/club.html PortlandGPAA@aol.com wrote:From: PortlandGPAA@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:15:16 EST Subject: Beach Closure !!! To: Tophillemu@aol.com We need you help and support. There are only two meetings left to attend to stop this nonsense. 3/16/04 in Pacific City at the Kiwanda (spelling?) Senior Center building 7-9 pm, 3/17/04 in Tillamook at the Shilo Inn, 7-9pm. The Oregon Parks Department plans on changing Oregon Beaches to: NO Driving, NO Horses, NO camping, NO driftwood or firewood collection, NO campfires, NO dogs, NO kites, NO bikes, NO RECREATIONAL GOLD MINING, No rock removal, (that means no more agate hunting) a ban on driftwood or beach fires, NO private fireworks will be allowed and they even plan to discontinue issuing premits for driving on beaches that are closed to that use for persons with disabilites, the elderly, to fish, to launch boats, etc. Turning Oregon's beaches into day hike use only! (Another assault on PUBLIC use of PUBLIC property!!) The last day to respond is March 19th and then this plan goes into effect in June 2004. Show up at the meetings if you possibly can. Let your voice be heard! http://www.prd.state.or.us/osmp_hcp.php email: osmp.hcp@state.or.us Check it out: httpL//www.minersresponseteam.org/mrt%20page4c33.html _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 13:56:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 16 13:56:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c40ba1$67fe5d60$6501a8c0@moose> Have you read the document? One section, on agates, says: ================================================== Agates Not all beaches are composed primarily of sand. Agates can be found in the gravel beds that are exposed during winter, as the beach sands get transported offshore by winter surf conditions. The Central Oregon Coast tends to have the highest concentration of agates. As erosion of coastal bluffs and landslides often contain gravel and pieces of agate. After the Capes landslide in 1997, there were blood agates all over the beach at that site. The culture of agate collecting is prevalent, and there are full parking lots at Seal Rock and Lost Creek during the winter months, primarily agate collectors. Threats: The collection of agates for personal use is not regulated by OPRD, and in fact is listed in ORS 390.725 as being exempt from the ocean shore permit requirements. However, there is no way to determine whether the collection that is occurring is personal use or commercial. ================================================== See: http://www.prd.state.or.us/osmp_documents.php I've not come across any references to driftwood. The prohibition on driving appears to be aimed at areas with nesting bird colonies, a not unreasonable prohibition. The quote from the club note: ============= NO campfires, NO dogs, NO kites, NO bikes, NO RECREATIONAL GOLD MINING, No rock removal, (that means no more agate hunting)... ============= doesn't seem to be backed up by the document. If there is a specific reference... GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 14:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Tue Mar 16 14:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification Message-ID: Gary, I just started going thru the docs, and haven't made it that far yet. Normally I wouldn't email something like this out without reading first, but this sorce is usually a pretty reliable one. Should have tried to read it first. But even with agates being okay, I don't think it would hurt for them to know in advance that we are out here. Thanks for the info! Dawn >From: "Gary Brown" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:55:32 -0600 > >Have you read the document? One section, on agates, says: > >================================================== >Agates >Not all beaches are composed primarily of sand. Agates can be found in the >gravel beds that are exposed during winter, as the beach sands get >transported offshore by winter surf conditions. The Central Oregon Coast >tends to have the highest concentration of agates. As erosion of coastal >bluffs and landslides often contain gravel and pieces of agate. After the >Capes landslide in 1997, there were blood agates all over the beach at that >site. The culture of agate collecting is prevalent, and there are full >parking lots at Seal Rock and Lost Creek during the winter months, >primarily >agate collectors. > >Threats: >The collection of agates for personal use is not regulated by OPRD, and in >fact is listed in ORS 390.725 as being exempt from the ocean shore permit >requirements. However, there is no way to determine whether the collection >that is occurring is personal use or commercial. >================================================== > >See: >http://www.prd.state.or.us/osmp_documents.php > >I've not come across any references to driftwood. The prohibition on >driving appears to be aimed at areas with nesting bird colonies, a not >unreasonable prohibition. > >The quote from the club note: > >============= >NO campfires, NO dogs, NO kites, NO bikes, NO RECREATIONAL GOLD MINING, No >rock removal, (that means no more agate hunting)... >============= > >doesn't seem to be backed up by the document. If there is a specific >reference... > >GcB > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 14:45:33 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 16 14:45:33 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c40ba8$4a349db0$6501a8c0@moose> Dawn: It's a pretty hefty document! I agree, though, that it's not a bad thing at all to write and let the Oregon folks know we rockhounds are out there. However...if you DO write make sure the "facts" you respond to are for real. There is nothing worse than calling or writing a legislator and saying "I understand you are going to ban the use of oxygen on the beach!!! I am OUTRAGED... Etc etc" when such is NOT the case. They then say "Ooooo... Those rockhounds are NUTS." and we get ignored in the future. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dawn > M. Fredricks > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:01 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification > > > Gary, > > I just started going thru the docs, and haven't made it that > far yet. > Normally I wouldn't email something like this out without > reading first, but > this sorce is usually a pretty reliable one. Should have > tried to read it > first. But even with agates being okay, I don't think it > would hurt for > them to know in advance that we are out here. > > Thanks for the info! > Dawn From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 16:23:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 16 16:23:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon Beach closure notification In-Reply-To: <002e01c40ba8$4a349db0$6501a8c0@moose> References: <002e01c40ba8$4a349db0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040316161924.02001640@mail.spiritone.com> I read enough to satisfy myself that it looks like a good plan. I didn't see any of the recommendations that were alluded to by Dawn's source. Looks like a false alarm to me...unlike the lower Deschutes recreation plan, which the Mt. Hood Rock Club has already provided extensive comments on (ahem). If the BLM and USFS were as level headed and reasonable as the OPRD, we wouldn't have had to write a book explaining to them what rockhounding is lol. At 02:44 PM 3/16/2004, you wrote: >Dawn: > >It's a pretty hefty document! > >I agree, though, that it's not a bad thing at all to write and let the >Oregon folks know we rockhounds are out there. However...if you DO write >make sure the "facts" you respond to are for real. There is nothing worse >than calling or writing a legislator and saying "I understand you are going >to ban the use of oxygen on the beach!!! I am OUTRAGED... Etc etc" when such >is NOT the case. They then say "Ooooo... Those rockhounds are NUTS." and we >get ignored in the future. > >GcB Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 16:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 16 16:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis In-Reply-To: <004a01c40a9a$02b0f790$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <004601c40bb6$c4a02700$6501a8c0@moose> Hey folks... Thanks for all the hints & advice on Risk Analysis. All I have to do now is WRITE the lesson plan...and I have a good start on that already. I've said it before, and I'll said it again. This group ROCKS ! Regards, GcB PS. Don't leave a glass of wine on your computer desk next to a pile of paper and tell your son to "watch out for the wine glass". The glass WILL get spilled. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 16:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 16 16:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme GPS and a sort-of AD In-Reply-To: <004a01c40a9a$02b0f790$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <004701c40bb7$24e080b0$6501a8c0@moose> CompUSA has the DeLorme USB GPS unit on sale (after rebate) for $89. This includes a copy of StreetAtlas 2004. Way Cool...and a perfect companion for MasMils/PLUS! It is So Neat putting the receiver on the dash and seeing your trail on the Street Atlas screen. But Wait, there's more! You can plan a route, fire up the GPS, and the software will SAY over the speakers "Next Intersectin 1/3 mile in 1 minute. Turn left..." GcB From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 19:03:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (leah courier) Date: Tue Mar 16 19:03:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member In-Reply-To: <20040315041801.13596.21975.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20040317030235.32056.qmail@web20313.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, My name is Leah. I recently moved to Medford Ore. I like to go hiking and started to rockhound a couple of years ago. I still have a ton to learn. If anyone has any suggestions for some good areas that would be great. I'm in the process of rehabing my knee so I can't do any steep stuff yet. I not very familiar with Oregons rocks but would like to find out more. Also if anyone knows of a club in or around Medford please let me know. Thanks, Leah __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 16 19:12:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Tue Mar 16 19:12:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member (Oregonians!) References: <20040317030235.32056.qmail@web20313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4057C228.8069119@att.net> leah courier wrote: > > Hi All, > My name is Leah. Welcome, there are some nice Oregonians and Pac NWers on the list! There seems to be a lot to do out there so you will have no lack of activity. Note that I added "Oregonians" to the subject to attract their attention. Of course I am on the east coast and have never been out there, but I hope to move to Idaho in 2006 so I'll find out what it's all about up there. Have fun, Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 14:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dave West) Date: Wed Mar 17 14:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Self introduction References: <000c01c40a3a$eca2f520$6601a8c0@home> Message-ID: <003f01c40c6f$18449ef0$ae9dfea9@CPQ28298264587> Welcome Glenn, You have joined a list of great people who love the habit....uh, hobby. I have been on the list a little while and I can tell you that I have learned a lot. It is a great list and the topics are varied. You will enjoy it. Just to let you know, I am in Rome, GA and collect rocks in my spare time. I pastor a small church, work at Home Depot and teach a couple of classes at two local colleges. Whenever I suddenly find myself to be a multi millionaire, I will devote my full time to rocks. DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Self introduction Hello 'hounds! I am an engineer with CenturyTel, retired early with VeriZon. My wife & I have 4 grown daughters, 7 grandchildren (so far), and we both recently joined the Mobile Rock & Gem Society. My interest in "rocks" must be instinctual, as the collecting has been going on for as long as I can remember. It started in the graveled driveway. I still have a "petrified worm section" about 3/4"long x 1/2" diameter I found there. Most of my collection was purchased at shops & shows one piece at a time, but it does include a lot of items I've found in the field. I am most interested in fossils and natural formations but also enjoy the things people have "exposed" by working on rocks and minerals. I look forward to reading the articles posted to this list and to getting to know some of "ya'll". Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 16:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 17 16:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Clifton NJ Gem & Mineral Show reminder. Message-ID: <6c81576c561d.6c561d6c8157@optonline.net> Just a reminder that the 15th Annual Clifton Gem, Mineral & Jewelry Show sponsored by the The North Jersey Mineralogical Society (an EFMLA Club) will be held on Saturday and Sunday, March 20th and 21st from 10 AM to 5 PM. The show is held at the Pope John Paul II Elementary School located at 775 Valley Road Clifton, NJ, just 220 yard north of the intersection of Route 3 & Route 46. Tickets can be purchased at the door, Adults $4.00, Seniors $3.00 and children are $2.00 (under 12 is free). Bring a copy of this e-mail and receive $1.00 off admissions. Over twenty dealers featuring, gems, minerals, jewelry, wire-wrapping, fossils, crystals, meteorites, NJ & worldwide specimens, fluorescent minerals, spheres, lapidary materials, cutting rough and books. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 16:55:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 17 16:55:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Memphis Gem & Mineral Show reminder. Message-ID: <22.444d69ad.2d8a4d56@aol.com> ICAKIApNZW1waGlzIEFyY2hhZW9sb2d5IGFuZCBHZW9sb2dpY2FsIFNvY2lldHkgcHJlc2Vu dHMgdGhlCk1pZC1BbWVyaWNhCk1pbmVyYWwgRm9zc2lsIEpld2VscnkgU2hvdyAKUm9ja3PD lUdlbXPDlU1pbmVyYWxzw5UgRm9zc2lscyDDlUpld2Vscnkgw5VCZWFkcwpTYXR1cmRheSAg QXByaWwgMjQgIDktNiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBTdW5kYXkgIEFwcmlsIDI1IDEwLTUK UGlwa2luIEJ1aWxkaW5nLCBNaWRzb3V0aCBGYWlyZ3JvdW5kcyAgTWVtcGhpcwpBZG1pc3Np b24tIEFkdWx0cyAkMywgMTIgJiB1bmRlciAkMSwgc2NvdXRzIGFuZCBsZWFkZXJzIGluIHVu aWZvcm0gZnJlZQpQb3J0aW9uIG9mIGFkbWlzc2lvbiBiZW5lZml0cyBNZW1waGlzIFJvbmFs ZCBNY0RvbmFsZCBIb3VzZQogCjI1dGggQW5udWFsIFNob3cgRmVhdHVyZXM6CsK3ICAgICAg IDMwIGRlYWxlcnMoMjQwIHRhYmxlcykgZnJvbSAxNSBzdGF0ZXMgd2l0aCBleHBhbmRlZCBm b3NzaWwgc2VjdGlvbiAKaW5jbHVkaW5nICBhIHNlbGVjdGlvbiBvZiBhbWJlcgrCtyAgICAg ICBFeGhpYml0aW9ucyBpbmNsdWRlOgoxLiAgICAgTWV0ZW9yaXRlcyBmcm9tIHRoZSBTbWl0 aHNvbmlhbiBhbmQgdGhlIEdlb2xvZ3kgb2YgdGhlIFdlbGxzIENyZWVrIApTdHJ1Y3R1cmUt IEEgVGVubmVzc2VlIE1ldGVvcml0ZSBJbXBhY3QgU2l0ZS4gIFByZXNlbnRlZCBieSB0aGUg VW5pdmVyc2l0eSBvZiAKVGVubmVzc2VlIGF0IE1hcnRpbgoyLiAgICAgVGhlIExvb3BlciBD b2xsZWN0aW9uLSBJY2UgQWdlIEZvc3NpbHMgZnJvbSBTb3V0aGVhc3QgQXJrYW5zYXMgYW5k IApOb3J0aHdlc3QgTWlzc2lzc2lwcGkuIFByZXNlbnRlZCBieSBEZWx0YSBTdGF0ZSBVbml2 ZXJzaXR5CjMuICAgICBNYWduZXQgQ292ZSBBcmthbnNhczogIDEwMCBtaW5lcmFscyBpbiBm aXZlIHNxdWFyZSBtaWxlcy4gUHJlc2VudGVkIGJ5IAp0aGUgQXJrYW5zYXMgR2VvbG9naWNh bCBDb21taXNzaW9uCjQuICAgICBQZXRyaWZpZWQgV29vZCBhbmQg4oCcR2xhY2lhbCBSb2Nr c+KAnSBvZiB0aGUgU291dGguIFByZXNlbnRlZCBieSBNZW1waGlzIApTdG9uZSBhbmQgR3Jh dmVsIENvbXBhbnkKNS4gICAgIEZvb2QgVGFibGUgKCBhICByb2NrIGJhbnF1ZXQpCjYuICAg ICBDbHViIERpc3BsYXlzIG9mICJGaWVsZCBUcmlwIFRyZWFzdXJlcyIgCjcuICAgICBQZXRy aWZpZWQgV29vZCAgb2YgdGhlIE1pZHNvdXRoKGNvbGxlY3RlZCBieSBjbHViIG1lbWJlcnMp CjguICAgICBOYXRpdmUgQW1lcmljYW4gQXJjaGFlb2xvZ2ljYWwgRXhoaWJpdHMgZnJvbSB0 aGUgTWlkc291dGgKIArCtyAgICAgICAgRGVtb25zdHJhdGlvbnMgaW5jbHVkaW5nIGxhcGlk YXJ5LCAgd2lyZSB3cmFwcGluZywgZmxpbnQga25hcHBpbmcsIApJbmRpYW4gcG90dGVyeSBh bmQgbWljcm9tb3VudGluZyBvZiBmb3NzaWxzIGFuZCBtaW5lcmFscwrCtyAgICAgICAgV2ly ZSB3cmFwcGluZyBjbGFzc2VzLSAxMTowMCAgYW5kIDM6MDAgIGJvdGggZGF5cy0gJDE1LWFk dmFuY2UgCnJlZ2lzdHJhdGlvbiBhZHZpc2VkIGNhbGwgOTAxLjI3NC43NzA2CsK3ICAgICAg ICBST0NLWk9ORS0ga2lkcyBhcmVhIHdpdGggZ2VtIGRpZywgZHJ5IHNsdWljZSBib3gsIGRp c3BsYXlzCsOUw5TDlEdyYW5kIERvb3IgUHJpemVzw5TDlMOUClIgICBQaWVjZSBvZiBvdXRl ciBzcGFjZS0gYSBtZXRlb3JpdGUoU2lraG90ZS1BbGluKQpSIGEgIHBpZWNlIG9mIGVpZ2h0 KHNpbHZlcikgIGZyb20gdGhlIHN1bmtlbiB0cmVhc3VyZSBzaGlwICBBdG9jaGEKSW5mb3Jt YXRpb246IHd3dy5tZW1waGlzZ2VvbG9neS5vcmcgICA5MDEuMjc0Ljc3MDYK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 19:05:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 17 19:05:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] DVPS Show reminder. Message-ID: Joint Show Philadelphia Mineral Treasures and Fossil Fair 2004 Annual Show and Sale 10th Annual Mineral Treasures and 25th Annual Fossil Fair Location: LuLu Temple; 5140 Butler Pike; Plymouth Meeting, PA. Just 2 miles from the Norristown Exit on the PA Turnpike. Saturday March 20th, 2004: 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Sunday March 21st, 2004: 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Fossils, Minerals, Gems, More Dealers, More Displays, Learning Activities, Fossil Dig for the Children and a Kid's Corner with free specimens. Also food, raffle, door prizes, and Scouting Merit Badge Information. $4.00 admission, Kids under 12 free with adult and Uniformed Scouts Free. Info; show Chair Karenne Snow at 609-953-1987 or 610-971-0620. E-mail NJWren@aol.com; PMS Website This is a joint show of the Philadelphia Mineralogical Society and the Delaware Valley Paleontological Society --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 19:20:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Mar 17 19:20:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme GPS and a sort-of AD In-Reply-To: <004701c40bb7$24e080b0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: Well heck, I waited too long. They are sold out on the website. Looks like local stores still may have some but we don't have one within a 100 miles. Bryan Samuel Adams advised, "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter." > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 19:31 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme GPS and a sort-of AD > > > CompUSA has the DeLorme USB GPS unit on sale (after rebate) for $89. This > includes a copy of StreetAtlas 2004. Way Cool...and a plug> perfect > companion for MasMils/PLUS! It is So Neat putting the receiver > on the dash > and seeing your trail on the Street Atlas screen. But Wait, there's more! > You can plan a route, fire up the GPS, and the software will SAY over the > speakers "Next Intersectin 1/3 mile in 1 minute. Turn left..." > > GcB > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 19:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 17 19:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show this Weekend Message-ID: <191.2683471d.2d8a7366@aol.com> Joint Show Philadelphia Mineral Treasures and Fossil Fair 2004 Annual Show and Sale 10th Annual Mineral Treasures and 25th Annual Fossil Fair Location: LuLu Temple; 5140 Butler Pike; Plymouth Meeting, PA. Just 2 miles from the Norristown Exit on the PA Turnpike. Saturday March 20th, 2004: 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Sunday March 21st, 2004: 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Fossils, Minerals, Gems, More Dealers, More Displays, Learning Activities, Fossil Dig for the Children and a Kid's Corner with free specimens. Also food, raffle, door prizes, and Scouting Merit Badge Information. $4.00 admission, Kids under 12 free with adult and Uniformed Scouts Free. Info; show Chair Karenne Snow at 609-953-1987 or 610-971-0620. E-mail NJWren@aol.com; PMS Website This is a joint show of the Philadelphia Mineralogical Society and the Delaware Valley Paleontological Society --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 21:25:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 17 21:25:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: IMRMC's 29th Annual Show April 8-10 in Wyoming, MI Message-ID: <40593289.70CB@Tomaszewski.net> The Indian Mounds Rock & Mineral Club proudly presents its 29th Annual Gem and Mineral Show on April 8, 9, and 10, 2004, at Rogers Plaza (Town Center), Wyoming, MI; the mall is located on 28th Street, 1/4 mile west of the US-131 28th Street exit (just south of Grand Rapids), and is open from 9:30 am to 9:00 pm each day of the show. The Club is providing exhibitions, demonstrations, specimens for sale, and a children's table; handfull's of regional dealers will also be present. BTW, at our club meeting last night the show coordinator indicated there were one or (maybe) three dealer spaces left -- if you are a dealer, and have an interest in joining us for this show, please contact me off-list, and I will put you in contact with the Club's show coordinator (tables are paid). And if you want to stop by to talk to me, I am helping at the Club tables the evening of the first day of the show (but expect to be there at random other times too). I hope you can join us, it looks like it will be a another great show. Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 17 22:01:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Wed Mar 17 22:01:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? Message-ID: Does anyone out there have a decent source for wholesale pewter figurines? The one we used to have in Quartzite AZ has decided not to do it anymore. I've done a couple of internet searches and most that come up are not exactly what we are looking for. We mainly need miners, animals, trees, Native American, trains. We glue these one rocks and we sell them at the Sportsman Show, which along with our gold panning (yes, we use real gold) funds most of our club for the year and pays the $800 for the booth every year! Thanks! Dawn Fredricks Secretary Northwest Mineral Prospectors Club http://www.nwmpc.com/club.html Portland Oregon _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms – all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 06:13:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Thu Mar 18 06:13:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I need to tap once more into the vast collective mineralogical knowledge of this group. A friend of mine has a chunk of ore from "the mine and village of Valardna, north of Durango, Mexico". Any one know where I can find some information - particularly a list of species - from this mine? Thanks - Bill Cordua Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 07:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Thu Mar 18 07:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? References: Message-ID: <023801c40cfb$1bf3bea0$b605efd1@oemcomputer> Hi Dawn, Bob Parry, of Robert Hall Originals, here in Ontario, has an _enormous_ selection of pewter figurines. And lots of agate or Brazilian amethyst slabs to glue them onto. No website tho. He's an excellent guy to do business with; plus, if you buy Canadian you'll save over twenty cents on the dollar. 1-800-360-2813 Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" To: Sent: March 18, 2004 1:00 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? > Does anyone out there have a decent source for wholesale pewter figurines? > The one we used to have in Quartzite AZ has decided not to do it anymore. > I've done a couple of internet searches and most that come up are not > exactly what we are looking for. > > We mainly need miners, animals, trees, Native American, trains. We glue > these one rocks and we sell them at the Sportsman Show, which along with our > gold panning (yes, we use real gold) funds most of our club for the year and > pays the $800 for the booth every year! > > Thanks! > Dawn Fredricks > Secretary Northwest Mineral Prospectors Club > http://www.nwmpc.com/club.html > Portland Oregon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms – all in one place at MSN Money! > http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 09:32:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Thu Mar 18 09:32:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine References: Message-ID: <4059DCBF.5F100820@gmx.de> Hello, my first guess would be PANCZNER, Minerals of Mexico (1987). Unfortunately this book does not have an index of localities. So you have to go through the bibliography and maybe the catalogue of minerals to find any hints. Regards, J. Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany William Cordua schrieb: > Hi, > I need to tap once more into the vast collective mineralogical knowledge > of this group. A friend of mine has a chunk of ore from "the mine and > village of Valardna, north of Durango, Mexico". Any one know where I can > find some information - particularly a list of species - from this mine? > Thanks - Bill Cordua > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 16:26:11 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dan Weinrich) Date: Thu Mar 18 16:26:11 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad - website updates References: Message-ID: <015001c40d34$44ee1290$6401a8c0@S0029989181> Hi! I just added two galleries containing 20 new specimens from Missouri's Viburnum Trend. These have been hand selected from a larger lot that I acquired within the district last week. Some great galenas and calcites in this batch! The Reverse Auctions remain popular and I will be updating another gallery with some great specimens tonight as well. Hope that you enjoy looking over the new specimens! Dan Weinrich http://www.danweinrich.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Risk Analysis > We do risk analysis in my entry-level GIS/Geology classes all the time > (I'm the lead TA for the course). We take it from the standpoint of buying > a house and/or building a development. Analyze flood hazards (recurrance > interval and estimating probabilities), earthquake hazards, volcanic > hazards, landslide hazards, etc. > > Granted, this is a college-level course. But kids love to look at maps, > and you could tone it down a bit. Easily do-able w/o the GIS component. > > If interested: http://web.pdx.edu/~afox/g299/ > > BTW: Most of my students appear to be writing at a middle-school level, so > this may not be all that off base. > > a. > > > Here's a different one for you... > > > > I'm back in graduate school (old dog, new tricks!), and I'm taking a class > > on middle school/secondary school teaching techniques. I've come up with a > > science classroom "game" activity that will explore risk analysis (which is > > one of the National Science Foundation benchmarks). Things like... There's > > been a bombing on an airplane. You have to be half-way across the country > > in 2 days. How do you get there?" Anywho... I'm looking for other > > science-type "risk" situations. You, my fellow rockhounds, are some of the > > more clever (cleverer?) folks around. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks... > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > -- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 16:30:50 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Thu Mar 18 16:30:50 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pewter Message-ID: <000c01c40d3f$728b77a0$4db2950c@jessie> A Google search on "figurines pewter" wholesale (type iit all in) gives a number of sources for pewter. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 20:08:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Mar 18 20:08:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? Message-ID: I thought this would be a good subject to kick around. Hopefully participants will specific as to where and what is available. Perhaps you can also offer tips about the area like camping, gas, food lodging or anything else that may be helpful. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 18 22:30:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kevin Conroy) Date: Thu Mar 18 22:30:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? References: Message-ID: <005601c40d7b$d00f0400$478e4a0c@kcmins> Lately my best collecting has been my garages!!! With access to the good classic collecting sites becoming difficult (if not impossible), it's fun looking through stuff I've had stored away. Recently I've started looking at some of my stuff through my microscope and have "discovered" specimens I didn't realize I had. Many are quite mundane of course, but I'm almost certain I've found an Effenbergerite on Rhodochrosite from the Wessels Mine, Hotazel, Kalahari Manganese Fields, Northern Cape Province, South Africa! All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com PS Camping is available in my back driveway, but a "fee" of rum and coke is required! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? > I thought this would be a good subject to kick around. Hopefully participants > will specific as to where and what is available. Perhaps you can also offer > tips about the area like camping, gas, food lodging or anything else that may > be helpful. > T. McGinnis > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 00:44:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Demeulemeester, Pierre) Date: Fri Mar 19 00:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine Message-ID: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A551313001457A56@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> Here is something close to what you are looking for. (http://www.mindat.org ) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Main Menu Log In Message Board Event List =20 Auctions =20 Register =20 Search Pages =20 Chatroom =20 Links =20 Statistics =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Velarde=F1a Mine, Velarde=F1a, Velarde=F1a District, Mun. de Cuencam=E9, = Durango, Mexico Ref.: Panczner (1987): 79, 147, 151, 206, 260, 311, 319, 328, 351, 357, = 371. =20 Map Reference: 25=B04'N , 103=B044'W=20 Important Disclaimer: This locality information is for reference = purposes only. You should never attempt to visit any sites listed in mindat.org without first ensuring that you have the permission of the land and/or mineral rights holders for access and that you are aware of all safety precautions necessary.=20 =20 Standard Detailed By Chemistry Compact =20 = Regional map =20 Search Google Mineral List: =20 =20 * =20 Acanthite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Chalcocite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Chalcopyrite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Gehlenite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Malachite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Pyrite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Pyrrhotite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Realgar =20 =20 =20 * =20 Sphalerite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Spurrite =20 =20 =20 * =20 Tenorite =20 =20 =20 11 entries listed. 11 valid minerals.=20 The above list contains all mineral locality references listed on mindat.org. This does not claim to be a complete list. If you know of = more minerals from this site, please register so you can add to our = database!=20 =20 Pierre Demeulemeester Brussels (Belgium) =20 -----Original Message----- From: William Cordua [mailto:william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu]=20 Sent: jeudi 18 mars 2004 15:13 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine =20 Hi, I need to tap once more into the vast collective mineralogical = knowledge of this group. A friend of mine has a chunk of ore from "the mine and village of Valardna, north of Durango, Mexico". Any one know where I = can find some information - particularly a list of species - from this = mine? Thanks - Bill Cordua =20 =20 Dr. William S. Cordua Professor of Geology/Mineralogy University of Wisconsin - River Falls 410 South Third Street River Falls, WI 54022 715-425-3139 william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 =20 _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=20 This e-mail is confidential.=20 If you are not the addressee or an authorized recipient of this = message,=20 any distribution, copying, publication or use of this information for = any=20 purpose is prohibited.=20 Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and then delete this = message. Ce message est confidentiel.=20 Si vous n'=EAtes pas le destinataire d=E9sign=E9 de ce message ou une = personne=20 autoris=E9e =E0 l'utiliser, toute distribution, copie, publication ou = usage =E0=20 quelques fins que ce soit des informations contenues dans ce message = sont=20 interdits.=20 Merci d'informer imm=E9diatement l'exp=E9diteur par messagerie = =E9lectronique et=20 d'ensuite d=E9truire ce message.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/gif image/gif image/gif image/gif --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 06:11:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (William Cordua) Date: Fri Mar 19 06:11:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine In-Reply-To: <32F8F541EA3ED71196580002A551313001457A56@noh01ex.noh.be.solvay.com> Message-ID: Dear friends, Thanks to all for your help in locating info for the mines in Valardna, Mexico. The MinDat site had exactly what I needed. Should have thought of that myself. Thanks again! Bill C. in on 3/19/04 2:42 AM, Demeulemeester, Pierre at Pierre.Demeulemeester@solvay.com wrote: > > Here is something close to what you are looking for. > > (http://www.mindat.org ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main Menu > > > Log In > > > Message Board > > > Event List > > > Auctions > > > > Register > > > Search Pages > > > Chatroom > > > Links > > > Statistics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Velardeña Mine, > un.+de+Cuencam%E9%2C+Durango%2C+Mexico> Velardeña, > E9%2C+Durango%2C+Mexico> Velardeña District, > > Mun. de Cuencamé, > Durango, Mexico > > Ref.: Panczner (1987): 79, 147, 151, 206, 260, 311, 319, 328, 351, 357, 371. > > > > > > > > Map Reference: 25°4'N , 103°44'W > Important Disclaimer: This locality information is for reference purposes > only. You should never attempt to visit any sites listed in mindat.org > without first ensuring that you have the permission of the land and/or > mineral rights holders for access and that you are aware of all safety > precautions necessary. > > > > > Standard > > Detailed > > By Chemistry > > Compact > > > -103.80333333333&bottom=24.996666666667&right=-103.66333333333&top=25.136666 > 666667&point=-103.73333333333,25.066666666667&text=Velarde%F1a+Mine> > Regional map > > > 1a+District%2C+Mun.+de+Cuencam%E9%2C+Durango%2C+Mexico> Search Google > > > > Mineral List: > > > > > > > > > * > > Acanthite > > > > > > > > * > > Chalcocite > > > > > > > > * > > Chalcopyrite > > > > > > > > * > > Gehlenite > > > > > > > > * > > Malachite > > > > > > > > * > > Pyrite > > > > > > > > * > > Pyrrhotite > > > > > > > > * > > Realgar > > > > > > > > * > > Sphalerite > > > > > > > > * > > Spurrite > > > > > > > > * > > Tenorite > > > > > > > > > 11 entries listed. 11 valid minerals. > > The above list contains all mineral locality references listed on > mindat.org. This does not claim to be a complete list. If you know of more > minerals from this site, please register so you can add to our database! > > > > Pierre Demeulemeester > > Brussels (Belgium) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Cordua [mailto:william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu] > Sent: jeudi 18 mars 2004 15:13 > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine > > > > Hi, > > I need to tap once more into the vast collective mineralogical knowledge > > of this group. A friend of mine has a chunk of ore from "the mine and > > village of Valardna, north of Durango, Mexico". Any one know where I can > > find some information - particularly a list of species - from this mine? > > Thanks - Bill Cordua > > > > > > Dr. William S. Cordua > > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > > 410 South Third Street > > River Falls, WI 54022 > > 715-425-3139 > > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is confidential. > If you are not the addressee or an authorized recipient of this message, > any distribution, copying, publication or use of this information for any > purpose is prohibited. > Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and then delete this message. > > Ce message est confidentiel. > Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire désigné de ce message ou une personne > autorisée à l'utiliser, toute distribution, copie, publication ou usage à > quelques fins que ce soit des informations contenues dans ce message sont > interdits. > Merci d'informer immédiatement l'expéditeur par messagerie électronique et > d'ensuite détruire ce message. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/related > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/gif > image/gif > image/gif > image/gif > image/gif > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 06:44:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 19 06:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? Message-ID: <116.301e5d3a.2d8c611a@aol.com> Okay, I'll play. My favorite spot to date is Mt. Ida Arkansas. Quartz Crystal galore. Lots of fee pay mines, but for $10 to $20 for a day you can keep all you find. Plus there are several areas of national forest for those who want to hike in and collect. We have found a couple areas with some crystals but not as nice as what we have found at the fee pay mines - however I've been told that if you can be there after the National Forest has a controlled burn you can sometimes luck out with amazing finds. It is also very close to there is the Diamond mine in Murfreesboro. And Magnet Cove is also within the same area in southwestern Arkansas, so the area has a lot to offer. I have just found a place that has cabins that are only $25 for 2 per night, have to bring own linens. It is closer to the Diamond Mine then Mt. Ida - probably 30-40 minute drive up to Mt. Ida, but since the hotels up there are closer to twice that a night it is another thing that makes it worthwhile. I have a reservation over there next month and will report on what they are like. But considering that I will be rock hunting and dirty by the end of the day as long as they have hot water for a shower and a bed I'll be happy at that price. Info can be found at http://www.murfreesboroarkansas.info/ (Miner's Rock Shop). My second place would be in and around the Viburnum Trend area of Missouri where there are huge quantities of drusy quartz, some smokey (more of a golden color) quartz points that can be found, barite in several forms/colors, calcite, pyrite - well just lots of things but these are the ones that I know of right now. I will be able to provide more info on that area in the months to come as we will be living in the region soon. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 08:06:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Mar 19 08:06:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? References: <116.301e5d3a.2d8c611a@aol.com> Message-ID: <019001c40dcb$b2d6f2d0$25249444@hewlettlydtpep> I have a couple of favourite collecting localities.... The first is in Waurika, Oklahoma collecting Permian material. The area is just drenched with Permian aged coprolites of sharks and reptiles (dimetrodon, adaphasaurus, etc.). The coprolites are easy....you just walk around and pick them up...by the thousands! After you're done collecting, you put the specimens in a vinegar bath, rinse with water, and examine your haul. These coprolite range anywhere in size from a couple of cm up to 10 or 15cm in diameter. Close inspection of them will yield all kinds of bone material stucking out...it's really quite cool. Occasionally, one will pop open and you can find some really wonderful undigested material inside....like little reptile jaw sections or shark teeth! The other aspect of this locality that is very enjoyable is collecting teeth. You find a wash (it's in a red, oxidised floodplain), and follow the little stream gulleys where the run off runds out. This is where you find the teeth deposited. We avareged about 1 tooth per minute (for reptile...shark material would be about 1 per second!!). We found some great teeth in there, including a 4" dimetrodon premax tooth! Another favourite collecting locality is Fezzou in Morocco for Devonian trilobites...specifically Phacopids. I remember the first time I collected this site just walking out across the desert to the exposure I found a 100% perfect enrolled phacops about 12.5-15cm in diameter.....just lying there. It had weathered out and was just lying at my feet. Who knows how long it had been there, but the thing was perfect...right down to the lenses on the eyes. Collecting out there that first day was fun, but very tiring at 48C....yikes! My last favourite place to "collect" was in Aix en Provence, in France. I say collect in quotes because I was with a museum group and I was lucky enough to do a little work with them, although I never would have been allowed in there if it weren't for the academic aspect of the field trip. Aix en Provence is a very beautiful city in the south of France not far from the Mediterranean. It is also the site of an even older Roman city....going back a few thousand of years I believe. Eeverytime they tear down an old building in this town and start to put up another, they find Roman ruins. While I was there, there was an archaeological team uncovering one of those beautifully mosaiced floors, and a couple of actual skeletons were unearthed that day as well. However, it's not the Roman artifacts that brought me there.....it's what lies beneath! The site is interesting because at one level you see archaeologists removing and excavating all of this incredible Roman culture...but about 4-5 feet below that level are the paleontologists collecting titanosaurid (dinosaur) eggs! They are found in nests, generally with about 3-5 eggs per nest, akthough I have seen nests with a lot more. Unfortunately, the matrix around them has essentially turned to mud, and so very careful effort is needed to remove the eggs. A method similar to collection techniques used at Messel in germany is applied. In a lot of the cases, the eggs themselves have eroded away and left nothing but a hollow cavity in the mud lined with eggshell. A polyesther resin is poured inside and, once hardened, the hollow egg can be safely removed. The end reult is an egg that from the outside looks perfect, but on the inside is filled with hardened resin. It's really quite amazing. There are other sites in France that produce more stable eggs, but these were a blast to colllect as well!!! Michael From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 08:20:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 19 08:20:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? Message-ID: <1e.24b9c01d.2d8c777a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2004 10:06:26 AM Central Standard Time, dmschmidt@sprint.ca writes: Waurika, Oklahoma Well I'm gonna have to put this one on my list of places to go. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 09:01:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (john) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:01:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Does anyone out there have a decent source for wholesale pewter >figurines? The one we used to have in Quartzite AZ has decided not >to do it anymore. I've done a couple of internet searches and most >that come up are not exactly what we are looking for. > >We mainly need miners, animals, trees, Native American, trains. We >glue these one rocks and we sell them at the Sportsman Show, which >along with our gold panning (yes, we use real gold) funds most of >our club for the year and pays the $800 for the booth every year! > >Thanks! >Dawn Fredricks >Secretary Northwest Mineral Prospectors Club >http://www.nwmpc.com/club.html >Portland Oregon You might want to call George at Baker Art Foundry & Pewterworks 530.295.1320 800.553.9883 http://www.bakerartfoundry.com We have had them cast items for us and Cynthia has made custom masters for them. Nice folks to work with. Good luck, John Dach From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 20:41:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 19 20:41:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] FAVORITE LOCATION??? MINERS ROCKSHOP CAMPGROUND Message-ID: <32064420.1079757611381.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Just a plug for your mention of Miners Rock Shop and Campground......I live in Arizona now but spent many years in Arkansas. Staying at that Campground was one of our favorite - nice - terrific people - great prices ...places to stay when wandering around the state and I will always recommend it to anyone that is going to be in the area. After a long hot humid day in Magnet Cove or the Diamond Fields or Mt Ida, its the best you can find for the money and the people are great. The rock shop is a wonderful place to check out and more than worth it!!!!!!!!! As an aside, there aren't any stores close by unless you go back into Murfreesboro.....so if its been a long day, pick up supplies on the way there :) also, the county is a 'dry' county, so if you want a glass of wine or a cold beer at the end of the day, pick it up on your way and take it with you. The cabins are comfortable and have air condtioning and several of them of a nice little porch on the front! So enjoy and have fun! Tell them Teresa and Dean send hellos! Teresa Otis -----Original Message----- From: Docia1154@aol.com Sent: Mar 19, 2004 7:43 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? Okay, I'll play. My favorite spot to date is Mt. Ida Arkansas. Quartz Crystal galore. Lots of fee pay mines, but for $10 to $20 for a day you can keep all you find. Plus there are several areas of national forest for those who want to hike in and collect. We have found a couple areas with some crystals but not as nice as what we have found at the fee pay mines - however I've been told that if you can be there after the National Forest has a controlled burn you can sometimes luck out with amazing finds. It is also very close to there is the Diamond mine in Murfreesboro. And Magnet Cove is also within the same area in southwestern Arkansas, so the area has a lot to offer. I have just found a place that has cabins that are only $25 for 2 per night, have to bring own linens. It is closer to the Diamond Mine then Mt. Ida - probably 30-40 minute drive up to Mt. Ida, but since the hotels up there are closer to twice that a night it is another thing that makes it worthwhile. I have a reservation over there next month and will report on what they are like. But considering that I will be rock hunting and dirty by the end of the day as long as they have hot water for a shower and a bed I'll be happy at that price. Info can be found at http://www.murfreesboroarkansas.info/ (Miner's Rock Shop). My second place would be in and around the Viburnum Trend area of Missouri where there are huge quantities of drusy quartz, some smokey (more of a golden color) quartz points that can be found, barite in several forms/colors, calcite, pyrite - well just lots of things but these are the ones that I know of right now. I will be able to provide more info on that area in the months to come as we will be living in the region soon. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 20:44:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Fri Mar 19 20:44:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals Message-ID: <20040320044402.12198.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all In the late 1980s, I prepared a showcase for display at a Cheong Park Gem and Mineral Club Show in Melbourne (Australia). The theme for my case was "From Minerals to Micromounts" and I had constructed some gum-nut people to show each of the main activities of collection, selection, identification and presentation. These critters have been in a box since the show, and I recently came across them while sorting through stuff. I thought I'd share them with you, and with some of the specimens from the quarry. Follow the "From Minerals to Micromounts" link at http://www.crocoite.com Regards Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 19 21:07:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (jjunkroski) Date: Fri Mar 19 21:07:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? In-Reply-To: <1e.24b9c01d.2d8c777a@aol.com> Message-ID: There are three places that you GOTTA go to if you are a tried and true rocker. MY personal favorite is the Michigan Copper mines of the Keweenaw peninsula. The local folks are beyond belief for hospitality; during their annual fest they not only get you into innumerable excellent collecting sites, but arrange to have them bulldozed the day before you arrive to uncover fresh material from the old dumps, and arrange for you to go underground for some excellent collecting and will baby-sit ignorant newbies with great patience, and show you how to use a metal detector, and send you home with double handfuls of beautiful native copper and a chance for silver and datolite and some exotics. Go in August for the Red Metal Retreat and visit one of the continents' great mineral Museums ( The Seaman), and attend professional lectures and super auctions and swaps of specimens. Been there three times and will go back everytime I can; last time we did nine collecting sites in five days. Go for at least a week if you can. Next, and possibly even more exciting if you want truly world-class collecting of wierd and wonderful stuff is Bancroft, Ontario, Canada ( how about doubly terminated corundum, six to eight inch beryl crystals, schorl tourmaline as big as your hand, all the rose quartz you'd need to pave your driveway, radioactives, fluorescents up the gazoo, etc?) all in a place with lovely clean lakes and green forests and great bed and breakfasts. Within one days drive of much of the northeastern US. ( And an exchange rate that actually makes the US dollar worth something.) Go for four or five days, but even a weekend during Gemboree is worth it. The local Chamber of Commerce has its own collecting areas, and even provides you with the services of an eminently competent, friendly, and patient professional geologist who will guide you to the best sites, so even if you're a total greenhorn you can't fail! Rockhound heaven! Been there four times and will go back every time I can. My darlin' wife always finds us an out-of-the-way place to stay which has the sound of loons or the sight of eagles as a major selling point. Finally, if you miss Franklin, New Jersey, you ain't seen nothin'. To walk into the mine,in total darkness, and be surrounded by the most fantasticly fluorescent rocks is mind-boggling. Have you ever seen a thirty-foot-high wall of totally fluorescent rocK? Ever see a mine in which the tailings used for road-fill glow in black-light like a Jimi Hendrix poster? It's an experience not to be missed. The folks who arrange the visit ( The Delaware Valley Club) are friendly and accomodating beyond belief, and even provide door-prizes ( as though their fabulous minerals weren't enough), and dark-rooms and high-power black-lights and one fantastic experience. Go there for at least the weekend of their annual meet. Re-reading this, I realize I sound like a public-relations flak, but let me assure you that (A) I have no connection with any of the aforenamed; personal, professional, economic or otherwise) and (B) I have collected at dozens of locations where the locals made me feel like I had leprosy, and the cops hassled me for parking at the side of the road, and the motels overcharged, blah blah blah. When I find a good spot with good folks, I always want to talk them up. Rock and roll, "Junk" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 03:13:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Anita Westlake) Date: Sat Mar 20 03:13:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals References: <20040320044402.12198.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <405C515C.C3C2B249@emory.edu> Steve: Very cute! What a creative, inventive person you are! What are gum-nuts? Anita magnet wrote: > > Hi all > > In the late 1980s, I prepared a showcase for display at a Cheong Park Gem and Mineral Club Show in Melbourne (Australia). The theme for my case was "From Minerals to Micromounts" and I had constructed some gum-nut people to show each of the main activities of collection, selection, identification and presentation. > > These critters have been in a box since the show, and I recently came across them while sorting through stuff. I thought I'd share them with you, and with some of the specimens from the quarry. > > Follow the "From Minerals to Micromounts" link at http://www.crocoite.com > > Regards > Steve > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 06:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Mar 20 06:03:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite stone for sale. Message-ID: <1ce.1c984218.2d8da8d6@aol.com> From: Crescent Stone Company crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com 888-400-0094 We have fantastic colonys of fossilized stromatolite stone, with grades from some present for tumbling to museum quality for jewerly. This product is from our mine of Northern Minnesota. We accept Paypal and othe forms of payment. Before shipping we now digitally photograph each piece that is to be sent rough as well as finished. Our finished product is cabbed, tumbled, and sphered. Sincerely; Steve DeLong/Owner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 07:23:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Mar 20 07:23:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite [it's an AD] References: <1ce.1c984218.2d8da8d6@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c40e8f$b76861c0$cca4490c@pete> Dear CrescentStone You know (or maybe you don't) that the protocol for posting to this list is that any advertisement of material for sale is supposed to be prefaced with [AD] so people can know this at a glance and not read it if desired. The main purpose of this list is for rockhounds to exchange messages, not a venue to post commercial advertisements. The way you are posting these messages violates the guidelines of our mail list, and borders on "spam"; and probably generates negative feelings toward your company among those on the list. Just wanted to make this clear to you. sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite stone for sale. > From: Crescent Stone Company > crescentstoneinc@aol.com > www.crescentstone.com > 888-400-0094 > > > > We have fantastic colonys of fossilized stromatolite stone, with grades from > some present for tumbling to museum quality for jewerly. This product is from > our mine of Northern Minnesota. We accept Paypal and othe forms of payment. > Before shipping we now digitally photograph each piece that is to be sent > rough as well as finished. Our finished product is cabbed, tumbled, and sphered. > > > Sincerely; Steve DeLong/Owner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 07:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Mar 20 07:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Favorite collecting spots In-Reply-To: <20040320020002.18874.22187.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20040320155007.30367.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: I thought I'd pitch in a couple of favorite collecting spots. Most recently we've been collecting in N Kentucky, which is very prolific for marine fossils. Maysville is right on the Ohio river, and for miles in every direction there are road cuts, and creek beds and banks where you can just pick up fossils and plates from the ground with no digging or rock cracking at all. The job is mostly selecting the more desirable plates with the most undamaged and/or entire fossils. Also, many times some fossils are hollow/geodized. In some areas the fossils are silicified and the geodized ones have multiple mineralization events. I have coral lined with Qz xtals, with other minerals on those crystals. Not a lot, but they're there. Pyrite, chalcopyrite, dolomite, celestine, calcite and quartz (both crystalized and cryptocrystaline). Georgetown OH is also part of this formation of marine sedimentary rock. In S central Kentucky there is a more typical geode field, with concretion-looking rocks in creekbeds. Lumpy roundish rocks from 3-4 cm up to 2-3 feet across. One of the famous locales in that area is Hall's Gap, where rarely acicular millerite crystals are found. We collect downstream from the (maybe closed) hall's Gap locale and do find geodes, but alas, I bought my only millerite from Halls-Gap from John Betts (thanks, John!). If distance was no object, I'd like to be able to visit the Harvard Quarry in Oxford Co Maine every weekend - the mineralization there is fabulous - anything ever found in a pegmatite might be there! If anyone knows of great collecting within 150-200 miles of Huntington WV, give me a shout and we'll meet there for a fun day! Spring is here, now if the weather would just go with that! Snow tomorrow, yetch! I'm done with winter, now if he'd just get done with me! JR Hodel, Hamlin WV __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 07:53:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Mar 20 07:53:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [it's an AD] In-Reply-To: <002701c40e8f$b76861c0$cca4490c@pete> References: <1ce.1c984218.2d8da8d6@aol.com> <002701c40e8f$b76861c0$cca4490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040320075021.0200f448@mail.spiritone.com> And might I add that once a month is the suggested frequency of ads. At 07:26 AM 3/20/2004, you wrote: >Dear CrescentStone > >You know (or maybe you don't) that the protocol for posting to this list is >that any advertisement of material for sale is supposed to be prefaced with >[AD] so people can know this at a glance and not read it if desired. The >main purpose of this list is for rockhounds to exchange messages, not a >venue to post commercial advertisements. > >The way you are posting these messages violates the guidelines of our mail >list, and borders on "spam"; and probably generates negative feelings toward >your company among those on the list. > >Just wanted to make this clear to you. > >sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 20:23:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sat Mar 20 20:23:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? Message-ID: Thanks for the info, I will check it out next week! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: "Tim Jokela" >Reply-To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:10:10 -0500 > >Hi Dawn, > >Bob Parry, of Robert Hall Originals, here in Ontario, has an _enormous_ >selection of pewter figurines. And lots of agate or Brazilian amethyst slabs >to glue them onto. No website tho. He's an excellent guy to do business >with; plus, if you buy Canadian you'll save over twenty cents on the dollar. > >1-800-360-2813 > >Cheers, > >Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com >Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com >The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" >To: >Sent: March 18, 2004 1:00 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Source for Pewter Figurines? > > > > Does anyone out there have a decent source for wholesale pewter figurines? > > The one we used to have in Quartzite AZ has decided not to do it anymore. > > I've done a couple of internet searches and most that come up are not > > exactly what we are looking for. > > > > We mainly need miners, animals, trees, Native American, trains. We glue > > these one rocks and we sell them at the Sportsman Show, which along with >our > > gold panning (yes, we use real gold) funds most of our club for the year >and > > pays the $800 for the booth every year! > > > > Thanks! > > Dawn Fredricks > > Secretary Northwest Mineral Prospectors Club > > http://www.nwmpc.com/club.html > > Portland Oregon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms – all in one place at MSN >Money! > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home .asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 21:22:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 20 21:22:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! References: <3F442E04.14D4@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <405D2666.11C6@Tomaszewski.net> Here I go, answering my own post -- but I thought an update was in order since the original question raised a long discussion thread. It did turn out to be lab time... As expected, it was close to pure sulfur (95.95%). There turned out to be three impurities; Quartz (1.99%), Rutile (1.56%), and Corundum (.50%). If you can explain why this causes fluorescence in a typically non-fluorescent mineral I would like to hear your theory. I'm leaning towards a distorted sulfur bonding from the impurities (though they are randomly concentrated in the specimens), but am open to other ideas. Kreigh Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote on 8/20/03: > > Last week while visiting with Kitty and Bill I collected some sulfur at > a volcano vent on Kilauea. Under a lens these crystals have the classic > elongated form for sulfur and are really beautiful. > > Some of these crystal groups (kinda like a massive druze) have a > greenish cast to them. Now I've run into reddish crystals from volcanic > selenium contamination before, and grey from arsenic, but green is a new > one to me. Any ideas of what might be causing the green? > > Tonight I stuck them under UV and they were brilliant orange under short > wave, which I really did not expect. Has anyone run across this before? > > Any suggestions for what I might have? Or is it lab time? > > Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 20 21:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Mar 20 21:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! References: <3F442E04.14D4@Tomaszewski.net> <405D2666.11C6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <405D2C61.4087CAB9@att.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Here I go, answering my own post -- but I thought an update was in order > since the original question raised a long discussion thread. > > It did turn out to be lab time... > > As expected, it was close to pure sulfur (95.95%). > > There turned out to be three impurities; Quartz (1.99%), Rutile (1.56%), > and Corundum (.50%). Well that accounts for the titanium and aluminum in the EDS analysis! Now, keep in mind that corundum var. ruby can have a somewhat weak, saturated magenta-reddish fluorescence but there are two problems here: 1) that is usually LW, not SW as your material is, and 2) a 0.50% wt. concentration doesn't seem like enough to cause the coloration, though that is an off-the-cuff observation. The polyatomic disulfide anion causes the mustard-yellow fl. in meionite var. wernerite, which is moderately present under SW and strongly present under LW, but I would lean more toward the aluminum oxide as the cause given the lack of a better theory at the moment. I would observe that the infamous "diaoyudaoite" from Elizabeth, NJ, also fluoresces a similar color, and is composed almost entirely of aluminum oxide with a touch of sodium. What is really interesting is that Kreigh's material fluoresces best when its dust is spread thinly on black paper. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 03:11:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Sun Mar 21 03:11:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals Message-ID: <20040321111044.9921.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Anita Thanks! Gumnuts are the seed pods of eucalyptus trees ("gum trees"). Different species have different sized nuts. The largest ones I used are about 1.5 to 2 inches and come from a red-flowering gum. Regards Steve -------Original Message------- > From: Anita Westlake > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals > Sent: 20 Mar 2004 04:12:44 > > Steve: >   Very cute! What a creative, inventive person you are! What are > gum-nuts? > Anita --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 07:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 21 07:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! References: <3F442E04.14D4@Tomaszewski.net> <405D2666.11C6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001e01c40f58$97cc3de0$b8a6490c@pete> Hi Kreigh, & Don who answered this once, & List, I'm quite interested in such things as the fluorescent sulfur from the Sulfur Bank fumaroles at Kilauea. But I have some questions for you. What method of analysis was used on this? Those results you quoted--if someone is claiming to have determined those three mineral impurities to an accuracy of 0.01 % as they are quoted, well, that analyst is probably totally dreaming (if not hallucinating), I am afraid. I would also very much question whether those 3 impurities, as quoted, are REALLY what is present in whatever sample was analyzed. If the analysis was by XRD (about the only method that actually determines actual mineral phases--any report of an ingredient in a mixture, that is only present to the extent of a percent or so--is very dubious, as even to its basic identity much less its precise concentration. Was it really a chemical analysis (spectroscopic of some type, or X-ray fluorescence perhaps?) that just determined the weight percentage amounts of three chemical impurities, Si, Ti, and Al, and someone is assuming (probably a bad assumption) that these three elements are necessarily present at quartz, rutile, and corundum? Neither of these minerals is abundant (or may even occur at all!) in Hawaiian volcanic rocks or fumarole deposits. And, if the analysis were of a fine-grained, impure mass of sulfur, with assorted particles of altered rock mixed in (which is what it probably was, unless the analysis were made on carefully picked, pure single crystals of sulfur--those elements reported in the analysis are probably ingredients of the rock/mineral impurity particles (which might include clays, opal, sulfates, who knows what), not anything present in the sulfur itself, so those elements reported may be quite irrelevant to the fluorescent of the sulfur. Now, of course, a question remains, is it the sulfur itself that is really fluorescent, or is it some trace or coating of a secondary mineral, mixed with the sulfur? I'm sorry to be such a doubting skeptic here, but I'm just being honest--it's easy to get some kind of analytical data, but it's even easier to misinterpret it into thinking it tells one something that it really doesn't! best regards (& thanks for sharing the info, really...), Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! > Here I go, answering my own post -- but I thought an update was in order > since the original question raised a long discussion thread. > > It did turn out to be lab time... > > As expected, it was close to pure sulfur (95.95%). > > There turned out to be three impurities; Quartz (1.99%), Rutile (1.56%), > and Corundum (.50%). > > If you can explain why this causes fluorescence in a typically > non-fluorescent mineral I would like to hear your theory. I'm leaning > towards a distorted sulfur bonding from the impurities (though they are > randomly concentrated in the specimens), but am open to other ideas. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote on 8/20/03: > > > > Last week while visiting with Kitty and Bill I collected some sulfur at > > a volcano vent on Kilauea. Under a lens these crystals have the classic > > elongated form for sulfur and are really beautiful. > > > > Some of these crystal groups (kinda like a massive druze) have a > > greenish cast to them. Now I've run into reddish crystals from volcanic > > selenium contamination before, and grey from arsenic, but green is a new > > one to me. Any ideas of what might be causing the green? > > > > Tonight I stuck them under UV and they were brilliant orange under short > > wave, which I really did not expect. Has anyone run across this before? > > > > Any suggestions for what I might have? Or is it lab time? > > > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 07:25:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 21 07:25:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts (w/o Minerals) References: <20040321111044.9921.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <002401c40f59$19ff8a60$b8a6490c@pete> I was guessing "gumnuts" were from the eucalpytus tree! Never having (I'm afraid) been there to see all those good things in person. I only remember... "Kookabura sits in the old gum tree..." and so on. cheers, mate! Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "magnet" To: Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals > Hi Anita > > Thanks! Gumnuts are the seed pods of eucalyptus trees ("gum trees"). Different species have different sized nuts. The largest ones I used are about 1.5 to 2 inches and come from a red-flowering gum. > > Regards > Steve > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 07:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sun Mar 21 07:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! References: <3F442E04.14D4@Tomaszewski.net> <405D2666.11C6@Tomaszewski.net> <001e01c40f58$97cc3de0$b8a6490c@pete> Message-ID: <405DBB94.D60ED01B@att.net> "Peter J. Modreski" wrote: > > Hi Kreigh, & Don who answered this once, & List, Indeed Pete, I can only speak the results of the EDS that I commissioned, which was performed by Exaclibur Minerals. I specifically asked Tony for an EDS analysis without phase identification, because of the fine-grained mixture. He ran the voltage to 20 kV to get a good EDS reading. I'm sorry I don't have the results handy, they're buried in a pile of paper somewhere at the moment. I remember the bulk of the composition was silicon, sulfur, and oxygen, with the remainder as traces. There are some tiny single sulfur crystals, and coatings too, but the bulk of the material I have is a loosely aggregated, crumbly, light gray ashy material with traces of yellow in it. Sorry about my lack of igneous petrographic terminology. I can go out on a limb sometimes, but there was no way I was going to try to determine an actual species based on the nature of the specimen. This is truly what some sneeringly regard as a "garbage can," though I find that term unjust for such subtle and interesting material. So at least from my point of view, the analysis I provided via Exalibur was definitely qualitative, not quantitative nor determinative, and is truly subject to all the pitfalls and caveats of EDS analysis as you described. On the other hand, I'm sure we'll hear from Kreigh about the other analysis he just reported. I just wanted to make sure the two analyses were separate in your mind. Pete, is it possible you might want some of this to review? I have a small amount of remaining research material that was sent for the sole purpose of sacrifical testing. I'm offering mine because I don't want to see Kreigh give up any more of his material--unless he really wants to and there is a necessity. In fact, if there is a potential for good research, I'll sacrifice all of mine. Fortunately I do know exactly where that is, in a small box on the kitchen floor in front of my dishwasher. Kreigh was also generous enough to provide some to the museum, where it will be on display soon, and maintained as part of our reference collection. This is one of those really neat, and sometimes frustrating, mineralogical puzzles. It becomes a maddening obsession. But then again, geology & mineralogy have been sciences for some time now, and all the easy work has been done! Does the USGS take interns? I really need a lab. Best, Don "Mennnnnn gooooooo mad!" "I can see that." -- Viggo Mortensen, Hidalgo From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 08:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Mar 21 08:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite [it's an AD] In-Reply-To: <002701c40e8f$b76861c0$cca4490c@pete> Message-ID: Pete, You put it better than I have ever been able to. Mind if I lift this for part of the FAQ? a. On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Dear CrescentStone > > You know (or maybe you don't) that the protocol for posting to this list is > that any advertisement of material for sale is supposed to be prefaced with > [AD] so people can know this at a glance and not read it if desired. The > main purpose of this list is for rockhounds to exchange messages, not a > venue to post commercial advertisements. > > The way you are posting these messages violates the guidelines of our mail > list, and borders on "spam"; and probably generates negative feelings toward > your company among those on the list. > > Just wanted to make this clear to you. > > sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:01 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite stone for sale. > > > > From: Crescent Stone Company > > crescentstoneinc@aol.com > > www.crescentstone.com > > 888-400-0094 > > > > > > > > We have fantastic colonys of fossilized stromatolite stone, with grades > from > > some present for tumbling to museum quality for jewerly. This product is > from > > our mine of Northern Minnesota. We accept Paypal and othe forms of > payment. > > Before shipping we now digitally photograph each piece that is to be sent > > rough as well as finished. Our finished product is cabbed, tumbled, and > sphered. > > > > > > Sincerely; Steve DeLong/Owner > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 09:12:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 21 09:12:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Valardna, Mexico Mine Message-ID: <031820041835.20998.10c2@att.net> Hi Bill! For locale info the best place I know of is www.mindat.org I think your friend may have spelled the location barely differently than what is on file. To see what Mindat has go to: http://www.mindat.org/loc.php?loc=29040 All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com > Hi, > I need to tap once more into the vast collective mineralogical knowledge > of this group. A friend of mine has a chunk of ore from "the mine and > village of Valardna, north of Durango, Mexico". Any one know where I can > find some information - particularly a list of species - from this mine? > Thanks - Bill Cordua > > > Dr. William S. Cordua > Professor of Geology/Mineralogy > University of Wisconsin - River Falls > 410 South Third Street > River Falls, WI 54022 > 715-425-3139 > william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu > "Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee" - Job 12:8 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 09:14:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 21 09:14:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite [it's an AD] References: Message-ID: <003201c40f68$5d7e7300$b8a6490c@pete> Sure Aaron, you bet, go ahead. Of course add the one post per month guideline. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite [it's an AD] > Pete, > > You put it better than I have ever been able to. Mind if I lift this for > part of the FAQ? > > a. > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > Dear CrescentStone > > > > You know (or maybe you don't) that the protocol for posting to this list is > > that any advertisement of material for sale is supposed to be prefaced with > > [AD] so people can know this at a glance and not read it if desired. The > > main purpose of this list is for rockhounds to exchange messages, not a > > venue to post commercial advertisements. > > > > The way you are posting these messages violates the guidelines of our mail > > list, and borders on "spam"; and probably generates negative feelings toward > > your company among those on the list. > > > > Just wanted to make this clear to you. > > > > sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:01 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite stone for sale. > > > > > > > From: Crescent Stone Company > > > crescentstoneinc@aol.com > > > www.crescentstone.com > > > 888-400-0094 > > > > > > > > > > > > We have fantastic colonys of fossilized stromatolite stone, with grades > > from > > > some present for tumbling to museum quality for jewerly. This product is > > from > > > our mine of Northern Minnesota. We accept Paypal and othe forms of > > payment. > > > Before shipping we now digitally photograph each piece that is to be sent > > > rough as well as finished. Our finished product is cabbed, tumbled, and > > sphered. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely; Steve DeLong/Owner > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > -- > afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox > Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" > Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 09:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 21 09:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts (w/o Minerals) In-Reply-To: <002401c40f59$19ff8a60$b8a6490c@pete> References: <20040321111044.9921.qmail@webmachine101.com> <002401c40f59$19ff8a60$b8a6490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040321073619.034e2e00@mail.aloha.net> When Bill and I were in Broken Hill, NSW, we visited Milton Lavers, a wonderful former miner with a museum-quality mineral collection. He is a fan of America, and sang for us his favorite song: "Home on the Range." So I sang one of my favorite child-hood songs, "Kookabura sits in the old gum tree..."...and astonishingly, he had never heard it! He admitted it must be an Ozzie song, with "kookabura," "gum tree," and "bush," in it, but he still had no knowledge of the song whatsoever. Odd, huh? Steve? Do you know it? Aloha, Kitty PS We also found a tame koala bear at a fauna park (zoo) on Hamilton Island that was named "Gumnut," after the seed pod of the eucalyptus trees whose leaves are the main diet of koalas. We have lots of eucalyptus here in Hawaii (mostly "Blue Gum" and "Robusta"), but I've never seen the "nuts." At 05:28 AM 3/21/2004, you wrote: >I was guessing "gumnuts" were from the eucalpytus tree! Never having (I'm >afraid) been there to see all those good things in person. I only >remember... >"Kookabura sits in the old gum tree..." >and so on. > >cheers, mate! >Pete > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "magnet" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:10 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals > > > > Hi Anita > > > > Thanks! Gumnuts are the seed pods of eucalyptus trees ("gum trees"). >Different species have different sized nuts. The largest ones I used are >about 1.5 to 2 inches and come from a red-flowering gum. > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 10:50:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 21 10:50:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts (w/o Minerals) References: <20040321111044.9921.qmail@webmachine101.com> <002401c40f59$19ff8a60$b8a6490c@pete> <6.0.3.0.0.20040321073619.034e2e00@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <405DE3A9.4902@Tomaszewski.net> The "Kookaburra" song is documented as an Australian song written by Marion Sinclair (copyright unknown) on several websites. I found a couple verses I had never seen/heard before at the unexpected site http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/kookaburra.htm along with the music and a picture of a kookaburra. I pass it on in case others on the list are not familiar with the song. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > When Bill and I were in Broken Hill, NSW, we visited Milton Lavers, a > wonderful former miner with a museum-quality mineral collection. He is a > fan of America, and sang for us his favorite song: "Home on the > Range." So I sang one of my favorite child-hood songs, "Kookabura sits in > the old gum tree..."...and astonishingly, he had never heard it! He > admitted it must be an Ozzie song, with "kookabura," "gum tree," and > "bush," in it, but he still had no knowledge of the song whatsoever. Odd, > huh? Steve? Do you know it? > > Aloha, Kitty > > PS We also found a tame koala bear at a fauna park (zoo) on Hamilton > Island that was named "Gumnut," after the seed pod of the eucalyptus trees > whose leaves are the main diet of koalas. We have lots of eucalyptus here > in Hawaii (mostly "Blue Gum" and "Robusta"), but I've never seen the "nuts." > > At 05:28 AM 3/21/2004, you wrote: > > >I was guessing "gumnuts" were from the eucalpytus tree! Never having (I'm > >afraid) been there to see all those good things in person. I only > >remember... > >"Kookabura sits in the old gum tree..." > >and so on. > > > >cheers, mate! > >Pete > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "magnet" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:10 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts and Minerals > > > > > > > Hi Anita > > > > > > Thanks! Gumnuts are the seed pods of eucalyptus trees ("gum trees"). > >Different species have different sized nuts. The largest ones I used are > >about 1.5 to 2 inches and come from a red-flowering gum. > > > > > > Regards > > > Steve > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 11:46:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 21 11:46:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! References: <3F442E04.14D4@Tomaszewski.net> <405D2666.11C6@Tomaszewski.net> <001e01c40f58$97cc3de0$b8a6490c@pete> Message-ID: <405DF0C9.5FD@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Pete! I also submitted samples to Excalibur for EDS and X-Ray analysis in my desire to understand and label the unusual specimens. I'm the one who took the leap from analysis to mineral names. I appreciate your frank comments and insight. Perhaps I have gone too far in the naming. Would you be interested in having a sample for further analysis? I would greatly appreciate professional help and still have material set aside to sacrifice for further research. Let me know if you are interested. Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Hi Kreigh, & Don who answered this once, & List, > > I'm quite interested in such things as the fluorescent sulfur from the > Sulfur Bank fumaroles at Kilauea. But I have some questions for you. What > method of analysis was used on this? Those results you quoted--if someone > is claiming to have determined those three mineral impurities to an > accuracy of 0.01 % as they are quoted, well, that analyst is probably > totally dreaming (if not hallucinating), I am afraid. I would also very > much question whether those 3 impurities, as quoted, are REALLY what is > present in whatever sample was analyzed. If the analysis was by XRD (about > the only method that actually determines actual mineral phases--any report > of an ingredient in a mixture, that is only present to the extent of a > percent or so--is very dubious, as even to its basic identity much less its > precise concentration. Was it really a chemical analysis (spectroscopic of > some type, or X-ray fluorescence perhaps?) that just determined the weight > percentage amounts of three chemical impurities, Si, Ti, and Al, and someone > is assuming (probably a bad assumption) that these three elements are > necessarily present at quartz, rutile, and corundum? Neither of these > minerals is abundant (or may even occur at all!) in Hawaiian volcanic rocks > or fumarole deposits. And, if the analysis were of a fine-grained, impure > mass of sulfur, with assorted particles of altered rock mixed in (which is > what it probably was, unless the analysis were made on carefully picked, > pure single crystals of sulfur--those elements reported in the analysis are > probably ingredients of the rock/mineral impurity particles (which might > include clays, opal, sulfates, who knows what), not anything present in the > sulfur itself, so those elements reported may be quite irrelevant to the > fluorescent of the sulfur. Now, of course, a question remains, is it the > sulfur itself that is really fluorescent, or is it some trace or coating of > a secondary mineral, mixed with the sulfur? > > I'm sorry to be such a doubting skeptic here, but I'm just being > honest--it's easy to get some kind of analytical data, but it's even easier > to misinterpret it into thinking it tells one something that it really > doesn't! > > best regards (& thanks for sharing the info, really...), > Pete Modreski > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! > > > Here I go, answering my own post -- but I thought an update was in order > > since the original question raised a long discussion thread. > > > > It did turn out to be lab time... > > > > As expected, it was close to pure sulfur (95.95%). > > > > There turned out to be three impurities; Quartz (1.99%), Rutile (1.56%), > > and Corundum (.50%). > > > > If you can explain why this causes fluorescence in a typically > > non-fluorescent mineral I would like to hear your theory. I'm leaning > > towards a distorted sulfur bonding from the impurities (though they are > > randomly concentrated in the specimens), but am open to other ideas. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote on 8/20/03: > > > > > > Last week while visiting with Kitty and Bill I collected some sulfur at > > > a volcano vent on Kilauea. Under a lens these crystals have the classic > > > elongated form for sulfur and are really beautiful. > > > > > > Some of these crystal groups (kinda like a massive druze) have a > > > greenish cast to them. Now I've run into reddish crystals from volcanic > > > selenium contamination before, and grey from arsenic, but green is a new > > > one to me. Any ideas of what might be causing the green? > > > > > > Tonight I stuck them under UV and they were brilliant orange under short > > > wave, which I really did not expect. Has anyone run across this before? > > > > > > Any suggestions for what I might have? Or is it lab time? > > > > > > Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 12:37:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 21 12:37:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! In-Reply-To: <405DF0C9.5FD@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000701c40f84$1c962c40$f236f051@maxdata> Hi all, I can only second Pete's view. Having been involved in trace analysis problems during more than 30 years by now, it's not only a question to find some element that CAN in certain circumstances play a role as an activator for fluorescence, but also to prove a causal relastionship between the presence of the trace element and the fluorescence observed. That is mostly a VERY difficult task ! I have analysed e.g. fluorite from Seilles, Belgium, reknown for a nice dark red fluorescence in some specimens, and analysed some material for rare earth elements by high resolution ICP mass spectrometry. I found concentration in the neighbourhood of 1 ppm or so of europium, but after all we found out that crystallographic defects (vacancies) are probably the cause. Very complex matter anyway. Concerning EDX (on which I have 'only' 20 years of experience) : CAVEAT ! I consider only results above about 1 % as POSSIBLY quantitative (and only if proper standard reference materials were used, with decent ZAF-based or other post-analysis corrections). On the other hand, with a wavelength dispersive X-ray detector one can go down (again, with the proper standards) to around 0.01 % or 100 ppm for more or less quantitative work. But those systems are mostly only available on so-called microprobes (a variant of a scanning electron microscope dedicated to analytical work) or on highly sophisticated SEM's. Probably the best method actually available for trace analysis is high resolution inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry (HR-ICPMS). In certain circumstances and for certain elements it is possible by this method to reach quantitative detection limits in the range of one ppq (part per quadrillion) in a solution. BTW 1 ppq is 0.000 000 000 0001 %. The main problem is blank values, contamination etc. But again, even if you find some element that CAN be the cause, it is not proven by just finding the element. You should analyse e.g. some aliquot of the material that is not fluorescent, and compare it's trace analysis with a fluorescent part. That would give you a good argument. Sample preparation in such cases is of the highest importance, and should in many cases be preceded by a good micro-analytical investigation on the homogeneity, the presence of other phases etc. Picking by hand (under the microscope) of uncontaminated pieces is a real nasty work to be done by someone who is extremely patient. Speaking of contamination : you know that a Sicilian guy admitted last year or so to have produced hundreds of specimens of sulphur synthetically (on genuine Aggrigento matrix rock !!), probably by evaporating slowly a solution of sulphur in carbon disulphide. I could imagine that those sulphur crystals would be fluorescent if the carbon disulphide used was not pure, and contained e.g. small contaminations of oil or other fluorescent products. Fluid inclusions near the (translucent) surface would cause some fluorescence. So just my 2-cents-worth advice : do not jump to quickly to conclusions, even if very sophisticated analytical methods have been used, even if they have been applied with much professionality and dedication. Unfortunately the probablility for a wrong conclusion is nearly always higher that that for a right conclusion (27th law of Murphy). And as an epilog, the 28th law of Murphy : the law of multiplicity of question marks. I investigated some years ago a sample with secondary copper minerals from the Gratlspitze, near Brixlegg in Tyrol, Austria, because of a UFO (Unidentified Featured Object). After my investigation I had found on a surface of about 0.5 cm² around 10 other minerals that I couldn't identify with some certainty by SEM-EDX. Result : the specimen had now something like 11 question marks on its label instead of one. Just my comments, no critics on experiments and analytical work done. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15 B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium Tel. + 32 3 7706007 E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals (ardennite, vantasselite, ferristrunzite and more) >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2004 - 8 and 9 May 2004 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >>> The Dana errata page, the Virtual Quarry and much more ! *-----Original Message----- *From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com *[mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of *Kreigh Tomaszewski *Sent: zondag 21 maart 2004 20:45 *To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com *Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! * * *Hi Pete! * *I also submitted samples to Excalibur for EDS and X-Ray *analysis in my desire to understand and label the unusual *specimens. I'm the one who took the leap from analysis to *mineral names. I appreciate your frank comments and insight. *Perhaps I have gone too far in the naming. * *Would you be interested in having a sample for further *analysis? I would greatly appreciate professional help and *still have material set aside to sacrifice for further *research. Let me know if you are interested. * *Kreigh * * * * * *Peter J. Modreski wrote: *> *> Hi Kreigh, & Don who answered this once, & List, *> *> I'm quite interested in such things as the fluorescent *sulfur from the *> Sulfur Bank fumaroles at Kilauea. But I have some questions *for you. *> What method of analysis was used on this? Those results you *> quoted--if someone is claiming to have determined those *three mineral *> impurities to an accuracy of 0.01 % as they are quoted, well, that *> analyst is probably totally dreaming (if not hallucinating), I am *> afraid. I would also very much question whether those 3 impurities, *> as quoted, are REALLY what is present in whatever sample was *analyzed. *> If the analysis was by XRD (about the only method that actually *> determines actual mineral phases--any report of an ingredient in a *> mixture, that is only present to the extent of a percent or so--is *> very dubious, as even to its basic identity much less its precise *> concentration. Was it really a chemical analysis (spectroscopic of *> some type, or X-ray fluorescence perhaps?) that just determined the *> weight percentage amounts of three chemical impurities, Si, Ti, and *> Al, and someone is assuming (probably a bad assumption) that these *> three elements are necessarily present at quartz, rutile, and *> corundum? Neither of these minerals is abundant (or may *even occur at *> all!) in Hawaiian volcanic rocks or fumarole deposits. And, if the *> analysis were of a fine-grained, impure mass of sulfur, with *assorted *> particles of altered rock mixed in (which is what it probably was, *> unless the analysis were made on carefully picked, pure single *> crystals of sulfur--those elements reported in the analysis are *> probably ingredients of the rock/mineral impurity particles (which *> might include clays, opal, sulfates, who knows what), not anything *> present in the sulfur itself, so those elements reported may *be quite *> irrelevant to the fluorescent of the sulfur. Now, of course, a *> question remains, is it the sulfur itself that is really *fluorescent, *> or is it some trace or coating of a secondary mineral, mixed *with the *> sulfur? *> *> I'm sorry to be such a doubting skeptic here, but I'm just being *> honest--it's easy to get some kind of analytical data, but it's even *> easier to misinterpret it into thinking it tells one *something that it *> really doesn't! *> *> best regards (& thanks for sharing the info, really...), *> Pete Modreski *> *> ----- Original Message ----- *> From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" *> To: *> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 10:32 PM *> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent Sulfur?!! *> *> > Here I go, answering my own post -- but I thought an update was in *> > order since the original question raised a long discussion thread. *> > *> > It did turn out to be lab time... *> > *> > As expected, it was close to pure sulfur (95.95%). *> > *> > There turned out to be three impurities; Quartz (1.99%), Rutile *> > (1.56%), and Corundum (.50%). *> > *> > If you can explain why this causes fluorescence in a typically *> > non-fluorescent mineral I would like to hear your theory. I'm *> > leaning towards a distorted sulfur bonding from the impurities *> > (though they are randomly concentrated in the specimens), but am *> > open to other ideas. *> > *> > Kreigh *> > *> > *> > *> > *> > *> > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote on 8/20/03: *> > > *> > > Last week while visiting with Kitty and Bill I collected some *> > > sulfur at a volcano vent on Kilauea. Under a lens these crystals *> > > have the classic elongated form for sulfur and are really *> > > beautiful. *> > > *> > > Some of these crystal groups (kinda like a massive druze) have a *> > > greenish cast to them. Now I've run into reddish crystals from *> > > volcanic selenium contamination before, and grey from *arsenic, but *> > > green is a new one to me. Any ideas of what might be causing the *> > > green? *> > > *> > > Tonight I stuck them under UV and they were brilliant *orange under *> > > short wave, which I really did not expect. Has anyone run across *> > > this before? *> > > *> > > Any suggestions for what I might have? Or is it lab time? *> > > *> > > Kreigh *_______________________________________________ *Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List *WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds *Subscription Services: *http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds * * From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 14:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 21 14:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? Message-ID: <2d.3b3a2efa.2d8f6c91@aol.com> Central Oregon Rockhounding Locations Bear Creek What: Petrified Wood Agency: Bureau of Land Management Directions: From Prineville, proceed south on Highway 27 about 33 miles to Bear Creek road. This is beyond Roberts and Little Bear Creek roads. Turn left for 5 1/2 miles. Turn off road to left just before fence. Go short distance through the gate and bear right or park your vehicle on the road 3/4 miles to the east and travel north along the west side of the fence. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. CAUTION: Respect private lands in the vicinity. Eagle Rock What: Agate, dendrites, moss agate and sometimes angel wing. Agency: Bureau of Land Management Directions: Take Highway 380 Post/Paulina to milepost 14, to monolith on right. Turn right at the second road. The distance to the site is short but sharply inclined and rough. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Diggings are mostly at the base of the rim. Beautiful float found from mountain skirt a base of rim rock to the flat below. Hard digging. Mostly agate with rhyolite. CAUTION: There are private claims throughout this area, but open BLM lands surround these claims. Glass Butte What: Gold, silver and rainbow sheen Obsidian. Agency: Bureau of Land Management Directions: On US 20 between Bend and Burns, near milepost 77, turn south on Obsidian Road. About 2 miles brings you to an area with many diggings. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Explore different areas for different varieties of obsidian (midnight lace, black, cinnamon, mahogany and fire obsidian). CAUTION: Keep to roads; obsidian can cut tires. Respect private lands in the vicinity. Green Jasper Location What: Green Jasper Agency: Ochoco National Forest Directions: Follow US 26 past milepost 48 to Road 2630 (Pisgah Lookout road). After 3/4 mile, merge onto Road 2210, turn right on Road 2210-300 for 2 miles, then right to diggings at end of the road. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Scarce, but beautiful. Maury Mountain What: Red, green and gold moss agate This agate is of the moss variety with some angel wing and plume found throughout. The moss appears in gold, green, red and many combination shades. Sometimes the dendritic moss formation develops into a beautiful white plume. Agency: Ochoco National Forest Directions: Go east on Highway 380 Post/Paulina to milepost 33. Turn right across the bridge on Road 16 for about 5 miles, crossing the Ochoco National Forest boundary. Turn right on Road 1680 (Drake Butte road), travel about 2 miles. Turn right on Road 1690 and follow to parking area. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: A little float. South Fork Area What: Limb Casts In the early days of the earth's origin, forests, and a large lake bed covered the area. Trees, complete with limbs and roots, were buried by massive mudflows. Through time, the plant material decayed, leaving a perfect mold or cast. These voids filled with chalcedony quartz. In this material, appeared manganese and other impurities which produced some very beautiful dendrites and, in some cases, gave a pink color to the otherwise clear agate. These casts are located at an average depth of 18 inches. They are found in streams and on surfaces weathered by wind and rain. Agency: Bureau of Land Management Directions: Two locations on South Fork Crooked River on BLM managed land. On the Camp Creek side of Highway 380 Post/Paulina to milepost 44, right on Camp Creek road for 9 miles. Left on road just past rock quarry. Go about 2 miles. Take left fork and go through fence line. Follow about 2 miles and turn right at next fork. Go approximately 2 miles and turn left to diggings. On the Congleton Hollow side of Highway 380 to milepost 50, turn right just beyond the river. Follow about 5 miles to diggings. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Part of the South Fork area is a BLM wilderness study area. Contact BLM for a map. Vehicle use is restricted to the designated routes. No cross country motorized use. Some surface hunting. Vistaite Location What: Green and buckskin rhyolite Agency: Ochoco National Forest Directions: Go east on US 26 to milepost 34. Take right hand fork about 13 miles past Ochoco Ranger Station. Take Road 22 and follow until you see "Walton Lake 2 Miles" sign. Turn left on Road 2210 for 100 feet, then right on Road 2210-050 for 1 mile. Float in black adobe. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Scarce but very beautiful. Whistler Springs What: Agate Agency: Ochoco National Forest Directions: Go east on US 26 to milepost 49. Turn left of Road 27 for about 6 miles. There are some narrow, winding sections, which can be marginal in wet weather. Turn left on Road 2700-050, Whistler Springs Campground. For a gentler, longer route, from US 26, turn left on Road 27 for 0.8 miles, right on Road 2730 for 11.2 miles, left on Road 2730-200 for 5 miles to Road 27. Cross the road to Whistler Springs Campground. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. CAUTION: Mill Creek Wilderness bounds the southern end of the agate area. Watch for the Mill Creek Wilderness boundary signs. White Fir Springs What: Jasper Thunderegg The eggs are of agatized jasper composition with rhyolite matrix, in many color combinations: browns, tans, yellows, reds and mauves. Many unusual shades and patterns are formed in each thunderegg. The size may be only one inch in diameter up to several feet, depending upon the depths at which eggs are found. Agency: Ochoco National Forest Directions: Follow US 26 east to milepost 41. Turn left on Road 3350 for 5 1/2 miles, then right on Road 3350-010. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Jasper filled thundereggs found in a wide area on the mountainside. White Rock Springs What: Jasper Thundereggs The eggs are of agatized jasper composition with rhyolite matrix, in many color combinations: browns, tans, yellows, reds and mauves. Many unusual shades and patterns are formed in each thunderegg. The size may be only one inch in diameter up to several feet, depending upon the depths at which eggs are found. Agency: Ochoco National Forest Directions: Follow US 26 to milepost 41. Turn left on Road 3350, then right on Road 3350-300, about 7 miles total. Tools: Rock hammers, picks and shovels only. Note: Materials is hard to find, but very beautiful. Carnelian cores have been found in the area. CAUTION: Watch for the Mill Creek Wilderness boundary signs. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 14:14:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 21 14:14:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand Blasters Message-ID: As always when I have a need regarding lapidary, I query this group. My need this time is to learn about sandblasters. The immediate need is some garnets covered with a thin coat of something that won''t come off and some fluorites covered with what is probably a thin coating of barite. Any suggestions about where to get a sand blaster, costs, type recommended, etc. would be appreciated. Thanks (-: John Scully --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 14:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sun Mar 21 14:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite [it's an AD] Message-ID: <6.248f53d3.2d8f71f9@aol.com> I apologise, I thought with stromatolites for sale in subject box was appropriate. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 16:22:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (magnet) Date: Sun Mar 21 16:22:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts (with Minerals again) Message-ID: <20040322002139.20495.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Kitty It's a well-known children's song. I'm surprised Milton didn't know it. Mind you, there's not that many eucalypts out Broken Hill way! By the way, Milton has been selling much of his collection, but only to personal visitors. You have to travel to Broken Hill to buy any specimens from him. Regards Steve -------Original Message------- > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts (w/o Minerals) > Sent: 21 Mar 2004 07:55:32 > > When Bill and I were in Broken Hill, NSW, we visited Milton Lavers, a > wonderful former miner with a museum-quality mineral collection.  He is a > fan of America, and sang for us his favorite song:  "Home on the > Range."  So I sang one of my favorite child-hood songs,  "Kookabura sits in > the old gum tree..."...and astonishingly, he had never heard it!  He > admitted it must be an Ozzie song, with "kookabura," "gum tree," and > "bush," in it, but he still had no knowledge of the song whatsoever.  Odd, > huh?  Steve?  Do you know it? > > Aloha, Kitty > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 17:15:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 21 17:15:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gumnuts (with Minerals again) In-Reply-To: <20040322002139.20495.qmail@webmachine101.com> References: <20040322002139.20495.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040321151755.02eccd00@mail.aloha.net> When we visited Milton we bought several pieces and we got the feeling that he sort of checked us out to decide if we were worthy customers, or maybe just to see if he liked us! He started out showing us just his outdoor area of flats and stuff on tables and benches, while we talked and exchanged rock-hound stories. Then he led us inside to one room with specimens on lighted shelves. Gradually he revealed more and more small rooms and pulled out drawers of wonderful stuff, nearly all with several examples of each type. Finally he warned us that the next room contained material that is not for sale, and it was like walking into a small museum! Gorgeous! Just so you don't worry that he is selling all his collection, we saw many cases where we had bought or seen in his "for sale" rooms items that were smaller and less perfect or impressive material than he had in his "museum." He told us that the museum stuff would end up in a real museum or similar..."I'm taking care of that," he said. Just for interest---off topic---Milton said he loved Americans, was grateful for what the US had done for Australia during the war, and then he said that he thought it would be a good idea if someday Australia became a part of the USA! I thought he was joking, but he said he thought there would be some advantages. So I told him that there are places in certain US states where a county may be "dry" and you have to drive a long distance to get a beer. He allowed as how there would be a lot of blokes who wouldn't take well to that! Aloha, Kitty At 02:21 PM 3/21/2004, you wrote: >Hi Kitty > >It's a well-known children's song. I'm surprised Milton didn't know it. >Mind you, there's not that many eucalypts out Broken Hill way! > >By the way, Milton has been selling much of his collection, but only to >personal visitors. You have to travel to Broken Hill to buy any specimens >from him. > >Regards >Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 21 20:52:45 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 21 20:52:45 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchgrinder converversion to cabber? Message-ID: <002b01c40fc8$ae79a4e0$6601a8c0@home> Does anyone know how to convert a good benchgrinder into a wet cabber = without damaging the electric motor? Thanks ! P.S. I'm really enjoying all your posts! Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 22 08:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Mon Mar 22 08:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossilized Stromatolite [it's an AD] In-Reply-To: <6.248f53d3.2d8f71f9@aol.com> References: <6.248f53d3.2d8f71f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <405F10D0.9000908@epix.net> The word "AD" helps have a standard email / message filter for them who use them. Regards, Elton CrescentStoneINC@aol.com wrote: >I apologise, I thought with stromatolites for sale in subject box was >appropriate. > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 22 08:27:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 22 08:27:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] FAVORITE LOCATION??? MINERS ROCKSHOP CAMPGROUND Message-ID: <1d7.1cb3610a.2d906d9e@aol.com> Thanks for the great info on the cabins - I am delighted to hear that they are nice. There is no place else that comes close to the $25/per couple fee for those cabins. I will definitely tell them you say hello. In a message dated 3/19/2004 10:41:41 PM Central Standard Time, totis@earthlink.net writes: Just a plug for your mention of Miners Rock Shop and Campground......I live in Arizona now but spent many years in Arkansas. Staying at that Campground was one of our favorite - nice - terrific people - great prices ...places to stay when wandering around the state and I will always recommend it to anyone that is going to be in the area. After a long hot humid day in Magnet Cove or the Diamond Fields or Mt Ida, its the best you can find for the money and the people are great. The rock shop is a wonderful place to check out and more than worth it!!!!!!!!! As an aside, there aren't any stores close by unless you go back into Murfreesboro.....so if its been a long day, pick up supplies on the way there :) also, the county is a 'dry' county, so if you want a glass of wine or a cold beer at the end of the day, pick it up on your way and take it with you. The cabins are comfortable and have air condtioning and several of them of a nice little porch on the front! So enj! oy and have fun! Tell them Teresa and Dean send hellos --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 22 13:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 22 13:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] S-Cal Friends Come Visit Perhaps? Message-ID: <20040322185623.QTKI14498.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hello everyone, Just thought I'd let my Southern California mineral-gem-jewelry friends know that for the next two or three Sundays I'll be at the Harvest Market on Honolulu Street in downtown Montrose California. It's quite a charming little place all tree lined and pedestrian on Sundays and they have a jazz band of older gents who play classics with skill and enthusiasm without sounding slavishly copycattish about it. Just plain all round congenial. From 9 am to 2pm. Montrose is in the La Canata-Flintridge latitudes, take the Ocean View exit off the 210 & go downhill 3 blocks. I'm there showing jewelry and for that matter making it on my transformed $4.99 Goodwill writing desk-cum-transportable-workbench; Carol Bova's there showing stones including opals that I've cut and tourmaline crystals and amethyst and slabs and - and - and. Also I have the Canadian Discovery Channel series "Stones of Fate & Fortune" running on the video and would be delighted to have rockhounds or anyone else drop by to say hello and chat. Cheers Hans Durstling still in sunny Sunland CA where it's getting sunnier by the day. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) null --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 23 00:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (adam sanora) Date: Tue Mar 23 00:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD. DIASPORE Message-ID: <20040323083350.85980.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> We have very rare diaspore stock for wholesale business : 1- Facet Grade Materail : In assorted sizes hand select materail . 2- Facet + Cab Grade Purplish Materail . Higher Color Change Tends to darker Purple . 3- Cabbing Grade . Nice select materail for rare cabs . Please contact for details and photos . Truva Mining Ltd. Tel : +90-312-4380897 Adam Fax : 4383193 Ankara/TURKEY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 23 02:00:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 23 02:00:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] S-Cal Friends Come Visit Perhaps? Message-ID: <20040322185444.CIXA22215.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hello everyone, Just thought I'd let my Southern California mineral-gem-jewelry friends know that for the next two or three Sundays I'll be at the Harvest Market on Honolulu Street in downtown Montrose California. It's quite a charming little place all tree lined and pedestrian on Sundays and they have a jazz band of older gents who play classics with skill and enthusiasm without sounding slavishly copycattish about it. Just plain all round congenial. From 9 am to 2pm. Montrose is in the La Canata-Flintridge latitudes, take the Ocean View exit off the 210 & go downhill 3 blocks. I'm there showing jewelry and for that matter making it on my transformed $4.99 Goodwill writing desk-cum-transportable-workbench; Carol Bova's there showing stones including opals that I've cut and tourmaline crystals and amethyst and slabs and - and - and. Also I have the Canadian Discovery Channel series "Stones of Fate & Fortune" running on the video and would be delighted to have rockhounds or anyone else drop by to say hello and chat. Cheers Hans Durstling still in sunny Sunland CA where it's getting sunnier by the day. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) null --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 23 20:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (TA Masters) Date: Tue Mar 23 20:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spring and Soil References: <1080096151.537.97056.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <40610DE6.4040907@cox.net> I would like to pass on a bit of information that may be pertinent to some of you. I have been ill since Dec. 19, my roommate even longer. We see different physicians yet have the same medications. Albuterol to open up breathing and lungs, cortisone nasal spray for similar reasons, and a commercial anti-histamine to reduce all of the above. In addition I needed oral cortisone to control an out of control rash and hives and oh yes itching. My doctor has ordered every lab test, x-rays, etc., in order to relieve my symptoms, all to no avail. Last week I heard/saw a health notice on NBC regarding the recent fires, bare earth and winds from the east to the ocean and Valley Fever. I of course heard of Valley Fever, most frequently after an earthquake where the earth had been stirred earth. The TV story went on to advise that doctors were not realizing many of the patients they are seeing and not helping actually have Valley Fever. I made the earliest appointment with my doctor via his triage nurse. I was there yesterday, and when I repeated what I had heard, his immediate reaction, was of course. you may indeed be right. He ordered two more blood tests, this time looking for fungus. The original TV report said the Valley Fever was caused by the fires denuding the earth, and the Santa Ana winds circulating the spores causing it to fly far and wide. I found I had for sure two out of three symptoms, the rash, and the bronchial problems. Fever may have been there but low grade, not raging. Tonight on the Nightly News there was another report, this time focusing on chronic sinusitis. The difficult ones to cure, not responding to anti-biotics and cortisone sprays, were shown to respond to an anti fungal nose spray. Certainly ties into the prior report. I know may will soon be out digging and churning up the earth, we already know some materials we do work with are toxic to some degree and know to wear masks when grinding. Perhaps now is the time to be aware of other dangers lurking and try to minimize the risks. I do not yet know what my treatment will be after it is (if) confirmed. I do know I will be asking for the anti fungal nose spray. I hate cortisone. Thanks, Terrie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 03:35:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 24 03:35:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spring and Soil References: <1080096151.537.97056.m12@yahoogroups.com> <40610DE6.4040907@cox.net> Message-ID: <003001c41194$13034570$6402a8c0@axel> Hi Teresa, I sure hope you 'll get better soon! This story clearly demonstrates that there are many things under the sun that are still hidden from us... This also reminds me of the documentary about the famous "nanobes". Only 1/100 th the size of a bacteria, they might very well be the cause of some diseases. I think I recall that Alzheimer was mentioned. They were discovered in drilling cores from thousands of feet below the Pacific Ocean. (I followed that with interest because Dr. Everett K Gibson fron NASA was on the team that investigated those samples). Pollution and stress undermine our immune system too! (Fear for terrorism, forest fires, climat warming... all stress). The ever increasing number of people with allergies is a clear indicator in these matters, I think. Get well soon Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "TA Masters" To: ; "LA Rocks" ; "rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:26 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Spring and Soil > I would like to pass on a bit of information that may be pertinent to > some of you. > I have been ill since Dec. 19, my roommate even longer. We see different > physicians yet have the same medications. Albuterol to open up breathing > and lungs, cortisone nasal spray for similar reasons, and a commercial > anti-histamine to reduce all of the above. In addition I needed oral > cortisone to control an out of control rash and hives and oh yes itching. > > My doctor has ordered every lab test, x-rays, etc., in order to relieve > my symptoms, all to no avail. > > Last week I heard/saw a health notice on NBC regarding the recent fires, > bare earth and winds from the east to the ocean and Valley Fever. > > I of course heard of Valley Fever, most frequently after an earthquake > where the earth had been stirred earth. The TV story went on to advise > that doctors were not realizing many of the patients they are seeing and > not helping actually have Valley Fever. > > I made the earliest appointment with my doctor via his triage nurse. I > was there yesterday, and when I repeated what I had heard, his immediate > reaction, was of course. you may indeed be right. He ordered two more > blood tests, this time looking for fungus. The original TV report said > the Valley Fever was caused by the fires denuding the earth, and the > Santa Ana winds circulating the spores causing it to fly far and wide. > > I found I had for sure two out of three symptoms, the rash, and the > bronchial problems. Fever may have been there but low grade, not raging. > > Tonight on the Nightly News there was another report, this time focusing > on chronic sinusitis. The difficult ones to cure, not responding to > anti-biotics and cortisone sprays, were shown to respond to an anti > fungal nose spray. Certainly ties into the prior report. > > I know may will soon be out digging and churning up the earth, we > already know some materials we do work with are toxic to some degree and > know to wear masks when grinding. Perhaps now is the time to be aware of > other dangers lurking and try to minimize the risks. > > I do not yet know what my treatment will be after it is (if) confirmed. > I do know I will be asking for the anti fungal nose spray. I hate cortisone. > > Thanks, > Terrie > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 08:01:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Wed Mar 24 08:01:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] WHERE IS YOUR FAVORITE COLLECTING LOCATION??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040324160031.72443.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> Lets see... Georgia northern Georgia Hakney's farm for fairy crosses. You are in the middle of the Applcian mountians in a "hollar". The farm is settled form the mid 1700's and has been in the same family since. Gold has been found on the property and it is where I learned to pan gold. Great place to go for a day and cool your heals. Thomaston, GA for kyanites. I have a secret palce uyp there I will keep it for myself. but the Georgia Mineral society knows right where this is. You can find crappy iron garnets with Straolite shot through them up there to. Great place to get dirty. Just did in the soft red dirt and screen out the goodies. Just where pants that you don't mind getting red. now.... AZ The bradshaw mountains near Mayer AZ. Was there last week on Vacation I pan gold in the area. I never find much but I always find a little.... avery little. 15 pieces of flour gold or so. Pet. Wood just outside of Wupaki Nat. Monument. Haven't been ther in 15 years but my geology class went there on field trip. It is in front of the monocline about half way through the trip. This is a private ranch so permission must be gotten but there is about 150 ft of Little colorado river gravel. That river drains the pet forest park. That gravel is stock full of the most colorful pet wood you can find and in large chuncks. Remember the desert make far things seem near. You can actually see the gravels form the road but it is like a 3-5 mile hike so don't go out there with out permission. TX choke canyon res pet wood. again brightyl colored wood in large chunks. Just look down for the old ash formation and look in the creek beds you will find lots. ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 08:24:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Matt) Date: Wed Mar 24 08:24:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchgrinder converversion to cabber? In-Reply-To: <002b01c40fc8$ae79a4e0$6601a8c0@home> Message-ID: Yep, I've just done that. But don't mount your wheels directly on the grinder's shaft. Instead mount these on a separate shaft supported on bearings and link this to the grinder via a belt drive. This way you both, keep water off the grinder, and also if the drag on the wheel is too great, the belt drive slips acting as a clutch and doesn't burn out the motor. Hope this helps. Matt -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: 22 March 2004 04:47 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchgrinder converversion to cabber? Does anyone know how to convert a good benchgrinder into a wet cabber without damaging the electric motor? Thanks ! P.S. I'm really enjoying all your posts! Glenn Wimpee Irvington, Alabama --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 08:24:13 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (alan) Date: Wed Mar 24 08:24:13 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] HELP!!!!!! Message-ID: <000801c4112d$d180dba0$6a904518@no.shawcable.net> Is the mineral Molybdenum magnetic??????????????? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 08:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Jokela) Date: Wed Mar 24 08:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] HELP!!!!!! References: <000801c4112d$d180dba0$6a904518@no.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <008801c411bf$0d54bf20$8506efd1@oemcomputer> The mineral molybdenite is not magnetic, and I assume as much for the element molybdenum; Google would confirm the latter in about thirty seconds. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr, tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The mineralogy of Ontario, Canada: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan" To: Sent: March 23, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] HELP!!!!!! > Is the mineral Molybdenum magnetic??????????????? > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 08:44:05 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 24 08:44:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] HELP!!!!!! References: <000801c4112d$d180dba0$6a904518@no.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <006e01c411bf$1a72bf90$6402a8c0@axel> Alan, the only Molybdenum (native) known to man has been returned to earth by Luna-24, a Russian spacecraft... http://www.mindat.org/min-10320.html Do I have to alert the KGB or did you mean "molybdenite"? (ROFL) Axel Axel Emmermann Lobbesplein 12 B-2640 MORTSEL 03 295.35.54 Website: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/index.htm Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen / Mineralogical Society of Antwerp Werkgroepen: Fluorescentie & Technische Realisaties Website Nederl. : http://www.minerant.org/MKA/index.html Engels : http://www.minerant.org/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:23 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] HELP!!!!!! > Is the mineral Molybdenum magnetic??????????????? > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 08:45:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Mar 24 08:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Molybdenum (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Fox To: alcavin@shaw.ca Subject: Molybdenum Certain isotopes of Molybdenum (the chemical element), notably 95Mo and 97Mo, have very slight magnetic moments (meaning that imbalances in the crystal structure lead to a general ionic drift in the crystal. This produces a very, very small current, which in turn induces a very very small magnetic field. The mineral itself appears to be nonmagnetic. http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Mo/isot.html http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/magnetic_susceptibilities.html http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/MagneticMatls.htm A little googling (www.google.com) goes a long way! a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 12:16:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Mar 24 12:16:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] eBay Phishing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00c901c411dc$e5237500$6501a8c0@moose> I just LOVE those phishing letters. Check out the line after "Valued eBay Member": "entered three times wrong the password". Amazingly, a lot of folks actually respond to this stuff. Sooooo... Since a lot of us use eBay, I figured I'd just remind everyone with a head's up: eBay will NEVER send you a note like this! Regards, GcB ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PHISH: Account Update with eBay Auction Community Update Your Account Information Within 24 Hours Valued eBay Member, You (or someone else) entered three times wrong the password to log in with your eBay ID. According to our site policy you will have to confirm that you are the real owner of the eBay account by :::::::::::::::::::::::::: From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 13:26:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 24 13:26:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] eBay Phishing...virus? In-Reply-To: <00c901c411dc$e5237500$6501a8c0@moose> References: <00c901c411dc$e5237500$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040324114459.048cd9c0@mail.aloha.net> Recently we received similar messages from our ISP (aloha.net)...worded awkwardly almost as if the writer did not know English well. It said there was a problem with our account and that we should click on the attached zip message for more information. Of course we did not, but we contacted aloha.net and they said it was a hoax and a virus. Aloha, Kitty At 10:16 AM 3/24/2004, you wrote: >I just LOVE those phishing letters. Check out the line after "Valued eBay >Member": > >"entered three times wrong the password". > >Amazingly, a lot of folks actually respond to this stuff. Sooooo... Since a >lot of us use eBay, I figured I'd just remind everyone with a head's up: >eBay will NEVER send you a note like this! > >Regards, >GcB > > > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PHISH: > >Account Update with eBay Auction Community > >Update Your Account Information Within 24 Hours > > >Valued eBay Member, > >You (or someone else) entered three times wrong the password to log in with >your eBay ID. > >According to our site policy you will have to confirm that you are the real >owner of the eBay account by > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 13:35:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (WES LINGERFELT) Date: Wed Mar 24 13:35:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] eBay Phishing... In-Reply-To: <00c901c411dc$e5237500$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040324213402.36507.qmail@web80311.mail.yahoo.com> Ebay will analyze any e-mails believed to be a hoax. Simply forward the message to spoof@ebay.com and they will let you know if it is valid or not. I receive at least two of these per day and hopefully ebay will be able to track down the source soon. They need input to do it however. Cheers! Gary Brown wrote: I just LOVE those phishing letters. Check out the line after "Valued eBay Member": "entered three times wrong the password". Amazingly, a lot of folks actually respond to this stuff. Sooooo... Since a lot of us use eBay, I figured I'd just remind everyone with a head's up: eBay will NEVER send you a note like this! Regards, GcB ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PHISH: Account Update with eBay Auction Community Update Your Account Information Within 24 Hours Valued eBay Member, You (or someone else) entered three times wrong the password to log in with your eBay ID. According to our site policy you will have to confirm that you are the real owner of the eBay account by :::::::::::::::::::::::::: _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 19:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Wed Mar 24 19:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Phishing on eBay Message-ID: <19d.2231df83.2d93ace3@aol.com> One big problem is that you will receive a bogus message that looks exactly like the real eBay messages. The sender's address even says "ebay.com". Everything about the messages looks legit. Yet ebay can't seem to stop them. The only way to protect yourself is to send EVERY message back to eBay for verification. A real pain. T. McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 19:43:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Wed Mar 24 19:43:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Phishing on eBay References: <19d.2231df83.2d93ace3@aol.com> Message-ID: <4062556E.FBDCE579@att.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > One big problem is that you will receive a bogus message that looks exactly > like the real eBay messages. The sender's address even says "ebay.com". > Everything about the messages looks legit. Yet ebay can't seem to stop them. The only > way to protect yourself is to send EVERY message back to eBay for > verification. A real pain. T. McGinnis If you use your e-mail program to reveal all the headers (I use Netscape to do View --> Page Source; other programs vary) then you can see where it really came from. You can use the free program at spamcop.net to interpret the source for you (you might need to sign up for an account though, which I've had for a long time, and I know they've changed the procedure for new users). If the source is *not* eBay, you can click a button to report the spam to the offender's ISP. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 24 22:11:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Wed Mar 24 22:11:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Rockhounds]Phishing on eBay-But Wait! there is more! In-Reply-To: <4062556E.FBDCE579@att.net> References: <19d.2231df83.2d93ace3@aol.com> <4062556E.FBDCE579@att.net> Message-ID: <40627850.6090003@epix.net> "The only way to win is not to play"...WHOPR in the movie "Wargames" So with internet scams-- don't play. Bottom LINE is--No way,- no how, no time does Ebay, Paypal, AOL, Citibank, Wells Fargo etc "Loose your account", need you to "varrify"(sic) your account, OR need you to sign in from a link "they" send you. Some people choose to not believe this so they bite-- and get bitten back really hard. So don't play. You also don't "Have Pictures", Bill Gates isn't giving you any money stuffing envelopes at home and FTB Florists haven't taken a $300 flower order for you to cancel by entering your credit information. Giving your entire credit history, account information, and home address and phone number to apply for an online "loan finder" listed in an unsolicited email link is like giving the keys to your house to a stranger who walks up to your door and asks for them---you wouldn't do that, but you'll do what you are told to do without questioning if an email looks official enough. So don't play. I personally know an Information Manager who "knew" this-- but in spite of her knowledge-- the "blue link" said it was a secure link (httpS<---) at Pay Pal.com. and they so sweetly implored her to verify her account (which was bing "randomly" audited) by signing in. SO she opened the link and hiding in plain sight was the deceptive web site. --you see the HTML tag(blue link) we're all are familiar with can be edited to say virtually anything thing but actually link to another site all together. She lost $8000+ in the raid and none of it was covered by insurance. Expensive lesson. The ones now hit you coming and going not only do they try to get you to divulge your account information but they install a virus on your computer as well. So don't play. From one who may Have already won the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes, Elton PASS THIS EMAIL Along to 500 people- including the one who sent it to you- before midnight or you will have morning breath, bed head, and fungus toenails by April 1st. For every 3rd message Dole Banana will donate a crate of bananas to starving penguins in Jamaica. , To Register for a free New York City Sewer Cruise.... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 06:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Van) Date: Thu Mar 25 06:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] eBay Phishing...virus? References: <00c901c411dc$e5237500$6501a8c0@moose> <6.0.3.0.0.20040324114459.048cd9c0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <002101c41277$f8f2b3c0$c3ff4342@nathanqa8gl7gx> Keep receiving a message purporting to be from Yahoo that my account seems to be out of date and that I may miss some newsgroup messages if I don't reply to their message. Give me a break! Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] eBay Phishing...virus? > Recently we received similar messages from our ISP (aloha.net)...worded > awkwardly almost as if the writer did not know English well. It said there > was a problem with our account and that we should click on the attached zip > message for more information. Of course we did not, but we contacted > aloha.net and they said it was a hoax and a virus. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 10:16 AM 3/24/2004, you wrote: > > >I just LOVE those phishing letters. Check out the line after "Valued eBay > >Member": > > > >"entered three times wrong the password". > > > >Amazingly, a lot of folks actually respond to this stuff. Sooooo... Since a > >lot of us use eBay, I figured I'd just remind everyone with a head's up: > >eBay will NEVER send you a note like this! > > > >Regards, > >GcB > > > > > > > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PHISH: > > > >Account Update with eBay Auction Community > > > >Update Your Account Information Within 24 Hours > > > > > >Valued eBay Member, > > > >You (or someone else) entered three times wrong the password to log in with > >your eBay ID. > > > >According to our site policy you will have to confirm that you are the real > >owner of the eBay account by > > > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 09:18:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Mar 25 09:18:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: mineralogy position at the Smithsonian Message-ID: <002e01c4128d$0805c0e0$7501c850@maxdata> Just in case someone would be interested... (see below) Rik DILLEN Belgium -----Original Message----- From: MSA-Talk@lists.minsocam.org [mailto:MSA-Talk@lists.minsocam.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Post Sent: woensdag 24 maart 2004 23:12 To: MSA-Talk@lists.minsocam.org Subject: mineralogy position at the Smithsonian Geologist (Research Mineralogist) Department of Mineral Sciences National Museum of Natural History Smithsonian Institution The Department of Mineral Sciences invites applications for the position of Geologist/Mineralogist. Applicants should have a Ph.D. or equivalent experience with a background in mineralogy or closely related fields in the area of mineralogical sciences. We are particularly seeking candidates with demonstrated experience in the fields of biomineralogical or environmental mineralogical research. Preference will be given to those showing published evidence of, and a continuing commitment to, a strong and innovative program of independent and collaborative research with associated field and/or laboratory work. In addition to research, the successful candidate will be expected to participate in museum activities, such as exhibits programs, educational outreach activities, and involvement with professional associations and other organizations within the scientific community. Full-time 4-year term appointment with full Government benefits, with potential conversion to a full-time appointment based on performance and availability of funds; GS-1350-12; US citizenship required. Salary range: $60,638 to $78,826 per annum, commensurate with experience. Completed applications must be mailed to Smithsonian Institution, Office of Human Resources, Attn: A. Davis, P.O. Box 50638-0638, Washington, D.C. 20091, and must include (1) complete CV including list of all peer-reviewed publications, and all extramural grants received with agencies, funding periods and amounts; (2) one set of reprints (no more than five); (3) list of at least 5 individuals from whom objective letters of professional evaluation may be sought; and (4) cover letter addressing the selective and quality ranking factors which appear in the announcement. For copy of the actual vacancy announcement, see: www.sihr.si.edu or contact Audrey Davis at 202-275-1005. Applications must be received by Monday, April 19, 2004 and must reference announcement number 04AD-1066. All applicants will be notified when their application is received. The Smithsonian Institution is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Jeffrey E. Post Curator, National Gem and Mineral Collection Smithsonian Institution Washington, DC 20560-0119 202-357-4009 202-357-2476 (Fax) From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 17:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 25 17:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Masmils and Delorme Earthmate and Lanny too In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just got both Masmils from Gary and a DeLorme Earthmate/Streets 2004 package. I missed the special offer of $90 for the earthmate combo but found another special for $105 from eCost which included shipping and did not include mail in rebates. I haven't dealt with eCost before ( or even heard of them) but they shipped the order promptly and I had it in a couple of days. After some fumbling I got the earthmate hooked up to my laptop and ran it on the way home from work, about 20 miles. It acquired the satellites in a minute or so then tracked my progress home on the Streets 2004 map display. It even has audio clues like you are approaching I75 in one mile and such. It was quite reliable on the main highway but when I turned off on a secondary road it lost signal lock. Secondary roads here in Florida are often tree lined and this road had 20 meter trees on both sides of the road which blocked the signals. I stopped in an open area and it quickly re-acquired signal lock but this should be a warning for anyone who wants to use this device in conditions like this. I suspect that it will work just fine on wider roads with wide cleared right-of-ways or in areas with few trees. Deserts for example. I'm happy with it despite the limitations so far. Now I have to rig a holder of some sort for my notebook computer in the car. BTW a hint for those using a notebook in a car for long periods...buy a cheap power inverter to power the notebook. I got an inverter for $25 or so, the 12V adapter for the notebook was over a $100 and the inverter can be used for other things to. An inverter plugs into the 12V outlet in the car and generates 120 VAC (in the US). I also got Gary's Masmils disk and tried it briefly with Streets 2004. Importing a whole state, Florida in this case, seems to glitch the Streets 2004 map display, you lose the roads and such on the map. But importing county by county works just fine. I even got a big surprise. I assume Florida is a wasteland when it comes to minerals. But Masmils shows a group of goethite prospects not 15 minutes from my home. Something we will certainly look at this weekend. Probably goethite contaminated clay or somesuch but you never know. I got Lanny's Idaho book too this week and am looking forward to using it this coming June. Bryan Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 17:44:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 25 17:44:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: POW WOW SCHEDULE FOR YEAR 2004 from Chuck Prenitice..... Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174143.01f4df98@mail.spiritone.com> POW WOW SCHEDULE FOR YEAR 2004 April 17th and 18th - Spring POW WOW will be held at Saddle Mountain near Mattawa, WA. south of Vantage WA. The public is welcome to attend. We will camp at the State boat access park near the Buckshot Ranch, on the Columbia River, two miles south of Mattawa, WA off Highway 243. Department of Wildlife requires an access permit for camping. We will dig for petrified wood, some picture wood and limb sections on BLM land. TOOLS: Bring a good bar, shovel, pick and good rock hammer. Tailgating and rock swapping encouraged. Potluck dinner, Saturday Evening at 5:00 p.m. with door prizes afterward. Pancake and sausage breakfast on Sunday Morning at 8:00 a.m. furnished by the POW WOW Club and cooked by the club officers (weather permitting). June 30th thru July 4th - "Fourth of July POW WOW" Gem and Mineral Show meets at the Jefferson County Fairgrounds in Madras Oregon. The public is welcome to attend. Camping on grassy fields for a fee. Water, showers and toilet facilities are available. A sewage pumping truck will be on the grounds daily and will pump holding tanks for a fee. Fabulous Field Trips: We dig for agate, thunder eggs, jasper and petrified wood on private land. Bring rock hound tools. There will be two new trips this year. Dealer Registrations: Mrs. Eula Dillard, 145 E 179th. St., Spanaway, WA 98387. Telephone # 253-847-2755 for more information. A fee of $25.00 will be charged for any checks returned due to insufficient funds. Super Entertainment: There will be evening entertainment, door prizes, music, bingo and an auction to raise money for advertising the show. During the daytime there will be a rock toss/scramble and rock swapping. September 11th and 12th = Fall POW WOW meets at the Boise Cascade Campground #17. Take the Teanaway River road from State 970 coming from Cle Elum, WA north approximately 7.2 miles, turn left and go 7 tenths of a mile to the Campground. Camping is free and it is a dry camp with out-houses but no water. The public is invited to attend. Tailgaters and rock swapping are encouraged. We will dig for agates, crystals, possibly jade and maybe a new site to be selected. There will be a Saturday evening potluck at 5:00 p.m. with a pancake and sausage breakfast Sunday morning at 8:00 weather permitting. Annual election of Club officers on Saturday evening after the potluck dinner with door prizes afterward. Membership dues required for Breakfast and all Field Trips. Dues are $10.00 per family (children 17 years and under) or $5.00 single. Send check payable to the All Rockhounds POW Wow Club of America to: Joan Williamson, 11720 Bald Hill Rd. SE, YeIm, WA 98597, Telephone# 360-458-7162. NOTE: Dues payable in U.S. Funds only. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 17:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 25 17:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Prineville OR show field trips Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174909.0202cd20@mail.spiritone.com> Prineville Rockhound Show & Pow Wow by Prineville Rockhound S&PW Association Fri 6/25 - Sun 6/27 Crook County Fairgrounds, follow signs on Hwy 26 in Prineville; sign up for trips at the show Field Trips: Friday, MacDonald Ranch petrified wood, Ashwood Saturday: Bear Creek, Prineville Reservoir, by boat, drive to dam & take club boat to Bear Creek arm: wood, crystals, agate nodules, geode bed Sunday: Maury Mountain moss agate info: Danny Groah, Silverton OR, (503) 873-6930 Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 19:29:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Mar 25 19:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] St. Louis Rock Hobby Show this Weekend Message-ID: <20040325.212049.-510387.2.kjvgorock@juno.com> Hi All, Just a reminder that the annual Rock Hobby show in St. Louis is this Fri/Sat/Sun. It is located at the Machinists' Hall Auditorium on St. Charles Rock Road east of I-270 in Bridgeton. I'll be there with lots of Keokuk geodes. Also involved are Hurlburt Minerals and Our Gangue Minerals. Miller Minerals with Brazilian agates & amethyst cathedrals, and Glenn Williams with his fabulous thumbnail specimens. Ken Vaisvil kjvgorock@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 25 21:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 25 21:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: mineralogy position at the Smithsonian References: <002e01c4128d$0805c0e0$7501c850@maxdata> Message-ID: <4063C2A4.359@Tomaszewski.net> Rik Dillen wrote: > > Just in case someone would be interested... (see below) > > Rik DILLEN > Belgium > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSA-Talk@lists.minsocam.org [mailto:MSA-Talk@lists.minsocam.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Post > Sent: woensdag 24 maart 2004 23:12 > To: MSA-Talk@lists.minsocam.org > Subject: mineralogy position at the Smithsonian > > Geologist (Research Mineralogist) > Department of Mineral Sciences > National Museum of Natural History > Smithsonian Institution Thank you, Rik, for sharing -- that was most interesting (even if I don't qualify to apply). From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 07:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Mar 26 07:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADVERTISEMENT- Geology books for sale Message-ID: <006401c41346$ae6e01e0$368a4c0c@fekib> I presently have two older geology books for sale: Dana's Manual of Geology, 3rd. edition, 1880, fair condition; ($60) Dana/Hurlbut, Manual of Geology, fifteenth edition, 1944, good = condition; ($20) (I will pay postage) Larry Rush www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play,=20 but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 07:47:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Mar 26 07:47:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADVERTISEMENT- Wrong title Message-ID: <009401c41349$473df680$368a4c0c@fekib> Sorry- I mis-wrote; the second book is : Dana/Hurlbut- Manual of MINERALOGY, 15th ed., 1944 ($20) Please excuse............. Larry Rush www.mineralstotrade.homestead.com "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play,=20 but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 08:52:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 26 08:52:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Last Minute trip to Glass Buttes In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174909.0202cd20@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174909.0202cd20@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040326084610.01f71408@mail.spiritone.com> If anybody is interested in seeing where the Aurora Borealis obsidian comes from, I am planning a last minute trip to the Glass Buttes area for tomorrow through Monday. I may be able get email there so reply to me at my yahell addy orerockon@yahoo.com & I will give you my cell phone number. I plan to dig Glass Buttes Sat & Sun at least, with Mon reserved for poking around Burns for green obsidian or Hampton Buttes for green wood. It just got done raining over there which is why I didn't go earlier in the week, so P-cars may not be able to handle the roads until they dry out which with the temps we have been seeing here (unseasonably cold) might not be until Sunday. I will be staying at the Bend Kampground RV park tonight and possibly at the Buttes by Sunday depending on whether I can get my trailer in or not lol. At 05:50 PM 3/25/2004, you wrote: >Prineville Rockhound Show & Pow Wow >by Prineville Rockhound S&PW Association >Fri 6/25 - Sun 6/27 >Crook County Fairgrounds, follow signs on Hwy 26 in Prineville; sign up >for trips at the show >Field Trips: Friday, MacDonald Ranch petrified wood, Ashwood >Saturday: Bear Creek, Prineville Reservoir, by boat, drive to dam & take >club boat to Bear Creek arm: wood, crystals, agate nodules, geode bed >Sunday: Maury Mountain moss agate >info: Danny Groah, Silverton OR, (503) 873-6930 > > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com >CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD >Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary >Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers >Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale >Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 08:56:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 26 08:56:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kemmerer WY Share Digging In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174909.0202cd20@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174909.0202cd20@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040326085305.01f51c70@mail.spiritone.com> I have a very few contacts at the Kemmerer fish fossil quarries but I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone over there who does share digging? I am not talking about fee digging but splitting the haul 50/50...our club is going the third week of June and I wanted a couple of possibilities for them to not have to pay to dig since they complained about gas prices the last meeting lol. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 10:51:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Mar 26 10:51:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040325174909.0202cd20@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <004f01c41363$561f7a10$6501a8c0@moose> I'm going to be out in Northern New Jersey next weekend (3-4 April), and I was wondering if anyone wanted to do some collecting. I'll have my handy-dandy new DeLorme GPS receiver, my StreetAtlas 2004, and (Plug! Plug!) MasMils/PLUS disk riding with me... Oh yes... And my SuperBrite UV will be at hand for night-time frolics! Regards, Gary Brown http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 12:49:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Italian Minerals) Date: Fri Mar 26 12:49:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - New rocks on ItalianMinerals.com Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040326214653.021c6360@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, new specimens on www.Italianminerals.com ! Corundum from Madafascar, elbaites from Pakistan, columbite from Madagascar and other more ! Visit us on www.italianminerals.com Regards, Alessandro (ItalianMinerals.com) ============================== Quality minerals from Italy and worldwide Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com ============================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 15:47:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Fri Mar 26 15:47:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - New rocks on ItalianMinerals.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040326214653.021c6360@popmail.libero.it> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040326182613.00e1cdf0@pop.megalink.net> At 09:48 PM 3/26/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Allessandro, I looked at your site but couldn't find the corundum or columbite.... ??? With best wishes, Duane --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 18:57:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 26 18:57:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey Message-ID: <1e3.1c5590c3.2d964760@aol.com> Where ya gonna be Gary? I live in NJ...I have not been up north in a bit..last diggin I did was at the amber pits in Sayreville! Jackie In a message dated 3/26/04 1:51:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com writes: I'm going to be out in Northern New Jersey next weekend (3-4 April), and I was wondering if anyone wanted to do some collecting. I'll have my handy-dandy new DeLorme GPS receiver, my StreetAtlas 2004, and (Plug! Plug!) MasMils/PLUS disk riding with me... Oh yes... And my SuperBrite UV will be at hand for night-time frolics! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 19:18:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (dhani setiawan) Date: Fri Mar 26 19:18:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEED HELP TO FIND ADAM'S MINERALS CONTACT INFO Message-ID: <20040327031747.711473942@sitemail.everyone.net> If anyone knows something information about ADAM'S MINERALS CONTACT INFO ( http://www.adamsminerals.com/ ) please kindly to inform me. He cheat me, buy rhodocrosite and gold on matrix without paid. Thanks for your attention Dhani Setiawan _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE email from lahmail.com at http://www.emailku.com From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 21:16:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Fri Mar 26 21:16:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need equipment Message-ID: <36.541acbf2.2d9667d7@aol.com> Are there any classified sites to look for a Lapidary grinder? I would like to make some cabs from all these wonderful rocks and don't know where to find a good used grinder like the pixie etc. Any help is appreciated. Kathy C. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Fri Mar 26 21:19:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Mar 26 21:19:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey In-Reply-To: <1e3.1c5590c3.2d964760@aol.com> Message-ID: <004601c413ba$feea28a0$6501a8c0@moose> Flying in to EWR Friday night...dunno where I'll be staying. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:57 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey > > > Where ya gonna be Gary? I live in NJ...I have not been up north in a > bit..last diggin I did was at the amber pits in Sayreville! > Jackie From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 06:29:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 27 06:29:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEED HELP TO FIND ADAM'S MINERALS CONTACT INFO In-Reply-To: <20040327031747.711473942@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: You can use the WHOIS database to get contact information for the website. Bryan Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! > > If anyone knows something information about ADAM'S MINERALS > CONTACT INFO ( http://www.adamsminerals.com/ ) please kindly to inform me. > > He cheat me, buy rhodocrosite and gold on matrix without paid. > > Thanks for your attention > > > Dhani Setiawan > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sign up for FREE email from lahmail.com at http://www.emailku.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 07:49:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Mar 27 07:49:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertisement: We are about to sell stone from Mary Ellen Jasper Mine Message-ID: <1e8.1c51e480.2d96fc26@aol.com> From: Crescent Stone Company crescentstoneinc@aol.com www.crescentstone.com Steve DeLong/Owner 2915 West 44th Street Mpls., MN 55410 888-400-0094 We have slabbed materials as you can see by picture and we will have tumbled soon, in the process of getting cement truck size tumbler going. What size of tumbled are you interested in, we will have everything from 3/4" to 6" in size. What size of slabs are you interested in as far as thickness width height ect. We have from size shown to beauti ful tables. We can fabricate to your needs, such as spheres, pyramids --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 10:04:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 27 10:04:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More observations on the earthmate and Florida Goethite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After using the earthmate a bit more I discovered that positioning the receiver with it's suction cup at the bottom of the windshield rather than the top where I had it before maintains the signal lock much better. The suction cup holds the cord of the receiver and placing this about 6 inches (15 cm) off the dashboard and allowing the receiver to dangle down from that give the best results. I never lost lock even on back roads after doing that. It eaither gets a better view of the sky from there or maybe the car hood acts as a reflector for the radio waves. As for the Goethite, there really are deposits of what I assume is massive goethite not far from my home, south down in Levy County Florida. We took a drive down there and easily found specimens of a heavy red rock with black streaks. In one spot the goethite was in refrigerator size boulders. Interesting. Does goethite form from seawater as a precipitate? Bryan Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 10:42:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat Mar 27 10:42:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] More observations on the earthmate and Florida Goethite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> I've got a 96-ish Ford Taurus, and I just lay the receiver flat on the dashboard. Since the window on that car really slopes, it gets a nice, clear, view of the sky. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J > Bryan Kramer > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:03 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] More observations on the earthmate and > Florida Goethite > > > After using the earthmate a bit more I discovered that > positioning the receiver with it's suction cup at the bottom .... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 11:05:04 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Sat Mar 27 11:05:04 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Notify Message-ID: <200403271904.i2RJ4Lwv032555@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Please read the attachment to get the message. +++ Attachment: No Virus found +++ Bitdefender AntiVirus - www.bitdefender.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/octet-stream --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 11:27:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Sat Mar 27 11:27:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> Hi there! I'm looking for the e-mail address of: Borja Sainz de Baranda Graf (Madrid, Spain) and Miguel Angel Fernández Périz (Almeria, Spain) Furthermore I'm looking for a contact that can do chemical analyses of minerals at a reasonable price. Regards, André From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 11:38:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Mar 27 11:38:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need equipment References: <36.541acbf2.2d9667d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <003701c41422$158b22a0$3b00a8c0@mshome.net> Check out Bob's Rock Shop http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/classifieds/classifieds.shtml John Santa, Idaho > Are there any classified sites to look for a Lapidary grinder? I would like > to make some cabs from all these wonderful rocks and don't know where to find > a good used grinder like the pixie etc. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Kathy C. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 11:48:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Mar 27 11:48:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> Message-ID: <002501c41433$475a3bc0$125204d0@jim> Andre, I have: borjateresa@hotmail.com perizm@jazzviajeros.com Jim Sauktown Sales Microminerals and mounting supplies http://www.sauktown.com sauktown@adsnet.com or orders@sauktown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "a.m.robbemond" To: Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... > Hi there! > > I'm looking for the e-mail address of: > > Borja Sainz de Baranda Graf (Madrid, Spain) and > Miguel Angel Fernández Périz (Almeria, Spain) > > Furthermore I'm looking for a contact that can do chemical analyses of > minerals at a reasonable price. > > Regards, > > André > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 12:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (a.m.robbemond) Date: Sat Mar 27 12:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> <002501c41433$475a3bc0$125204d0@jim> Message-ID: <002201c4143a$99d6b3e0$9600000a@sally> Excellent!!! Thank you, André ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... > Andre, > I have: > borjateresa@hotmail.com > perizm@jazzviajeros.com > Jim > Sauktown Sales > Microminerals and mounting supplies > http://www.sauktown.com > sauktown@adsnet.com > or orders@sauktown.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a.m.robbemond" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:26 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... > > > > Hi there! > > > > I'm looking for the e-mail address of: > > > > Borja Sainz de Baranda Graf (Madrid, Spain) and > > Miguel Angel Fernández Périz (Almeria, Spain) > > > > Furthermore I'm looking for a contact that can do chemical analyses of > > minerals at a reasonable price. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 17:05:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (E. L. Jones) Date: Sat Mar 27 17:05:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey + Other collecting trips In-Reply-To: <004f01c41363$561f7a10$6501a8c0@moose> References: <004f01c41363$561f7a10$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <40662517.6010603@epix.net> Incedentally that is the weekend that the Fluor. Min Society(FMS) is meeting near Boston with two free field trips to New Hampshire and Maine. If I don't make it to Boston, I'm 45 minutes from the locales in North Jersey and have been wanting to find the old iron mine near Andover. Sounds like a good field test. (hint, hint), I know it is a bit of a drive for you either way. BTW For those more local to PA and NJ Saturday/Sunday is the Lion's Club mineral show at the high school in Hellertow,PA off I78 Sunday(28th) is the mineral collecting day at Sterling Hill should anyone else be looking to get out this weekend. Trotter/Buckwheat Dump Dig April 24th.( Limited to 200 people) 75± slots filled so far. I got started my collecting season yesterday and just drove home with close to 1000 lbs of a unakite like stone, jasper, and agate from PA localities. I expect it will take me another week to just unload it. This is a good start at that stone wall I've been wanting to build. Regards, Elton Gary Brown wrote: >I'm going to be out in Northern New Jersey next weekend (3-4 April), and I >was wondering if anyone wanted to do some collecting. I'll have my >handy-dandy new DeLorme GPS receiver, my StreetAtlas 2004, and (Plug! Plug!) >MasMils/PLUS disk riding with me... Oh yes... And my SuperBrite UV will be >at hand for night-time frolics! > >Regards, >Gary Brown >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com >Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 18:39:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Sat Mar 27 18:39:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey + Other collecting trips References: <004f01c41363$561f7a10$6501a8c0@moose> <40662517.6010603@epix.net> Message-ID: <40663B06.83684990@att.net> "E. L. Jones" wrote: > > If I don't make it to Boston, I'm 45 minutes from the locales > in North Jersey and have been wanting to find the old iron mine near > Andover. Sounds like a good field test. (hint, hint), I know it is a > bit of a drive for you either way. Please be very careful when trying to find those old iron mines. Some of them are private property, some state or federal property, and some have hidden holes or loose workings. One of them has been turned into a bat sanctuary (!). If you do find anything worthwhile, please let us know. There is much left to study up there--perhaps another species like synchisite-(Y) remains to be discovered. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 19:28:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 27 19:28:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Out to North Jersey + Other collecting trips References: <004f01c41363$561f7a10$6501a8c0@moose> <40662517.6010603@epix.net> Message-ID: <4066460B.51F3@Tomaszewski.net> E. L. Jones wrote: > I got started my collecting season yesterday and just drove home with > close to 1000 lbs of a unakite like stone, jasper, and agate from PA > localities. I expect it will take me another week to just unload it. > This is a good start at that stone wall I've been wanting to build. > > Regards, > Elton When you make your stone wall, consider including small engraved brass labels to identify an example of each type of stone/locality so that visitors and future owners can appreciate your collecting and efforts. Cheers! Kreigh From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sat Mar 27 19:52:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 27 19:52:01 2004 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Notify [Virus Caution] References: <200403271904.i2RJ4Lwv032555@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <40664BB5.1AF9@Tomaszewski.net> mike@colellaphoto.com wrote: > > Please read the attachment to get the message. > > +++ Attachment: No Virus found > +++ Bitdefender AntiVirus - www.bitdefender.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/octet-stream > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds This appears to be a Netsky.O virus/worm. Thanks to Aaron the payload was stripped before it went to the list. It originated from someone in Italy posing as a list subscriber -- it is either a list subscriber, or someone in Italy who has a list subscriber's email address on their computer. Always run current/updated anti-virus software. Never open unexpected attachments, even if they appear to come from friends. Make periodic backups of anything important and retain/rotate several. Those of us on the list want to hear of your rockhounding experiences and questions, not have you disappear because your system was wiped out by a computer virus. Please practice safe computing -- it saves time for rockhounding. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 28 06:59:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Mar 28 06:59:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... References: <008c01c4142b$377e2660$6501a8c0@moose> <001601c41431$625d2100$9600000a@sally> Message-ID: <003601c414d4$ef3d22c0$93814c0c@fekib> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: a.m.robbemond=20 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com=20 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for ...... Hi there! I'm looking for the e-mail address of: Borja Sainz de Baranda Graf (Madrid, Spain) and Miguel Angel Fern=E1ndez P=E9riz (Almeria, Spain) Try: perizm@jazzviajeros.com for Miguel angel Furthermore I'm looking for a contact that can do chemical analyses of minerals at a reasonable price. Regards, Andr=E9 _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 28 12:45:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (George Hall) Date: Sun Mar 28 12:45:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello,new member Message-ID: <20040328204406.78615.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Bio: Ive been a miner for over 10 years,native matalics,U.G./placer. worked AZ.and CO. cut stone,cabs,make silver jewelry. collect minerals,sell rock,minerals,stones,beads. Iwinter in az/sumerco,am on the road a lot. I do shows as I can. intrests: mineing,collecting,geology,minerals,heck all rock,and related. thanks George From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sun Mar 28 18:37:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Mar 28 18:37:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Out to North Jersey In-Reply-To: <20040328020003.14884.4097.Mailman@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Gary, In North Jersey you should go to the Franklin and Sterling Hill mineral museums and sites. You can collect good fluorescent minerals at both locations and have them identified almost immediately in the museum. Surf to www.sterlinghill.org and www.franklinmineralmuseum.com Other collecting sites are privately held quarries and require operator access authorization. Little or no chance for access (MSHA laws). Clubs organize periodic field trips. Visit http://www.nefta.us for information. Johan Maertens mineral.maertens @ att.net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.minerant.org/clubs/icca.html or http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 06:36:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 29 06:36:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Out to North Jersey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> Franklin? Never heard of it... I've got about, oh, a tonne of Franklin stuff down here in the basement. Oops.. I mean "garden" level of the house. Excellent suggestions... When we were talking about "favorite" places, Franklin/Ogdensburg popped right up to the top of my list. I remember the first time I called at Buckwheat with my Dad back in 1964. He worked at Bell Labs and had one of his engineers rig up an AC inverter for me so we could go night collecting. Ah... Those were the days! You could drive right up to the face of the dump, pay your $1 collecting fee, and have at it! I still have many pieces in my collection from those days...not to mention the odd piece or two from "Nick". Now, there's a subject for an interesting string of notes! "Interesting" characters you've run across on your collecting trips. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Johan Maertens > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:32 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Out to North Jersey > > > Gary, > > In North Jersey you should go to the Franklin and Sterling > Hill mineral museums and sites. You can collect good > fluorescent minerals at both locations and have them > identified almost immediately in the museum. > > Surf to www.sterlinghill.org and www.franklinmineralmuseum.com > > Other collecting sites are privately held quarries and > require operator access authorization. Little or no chance > for access (MSHA laws). Clubs organize periodic field trips. > Visit http://www.nefta.us for information. > > Johan Maertens > mineral.maertens @ att.net From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 09:28:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Mon Mar 29 09:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Short Trip Report Kingston #8 San Bernardino, CA Message-ID: <28859523.1080581233811.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> As the weather has been very nice, I decided to get out for a short hunting trip. Left Las Vegas early AM and headed to Tecapa, CA. Trip of about 1.5 hrs. Stopped at War Eagle Mine and looked around but did not find anything I wanted to keep. Left there and headed up into the mountains to the south on Smith Talc Rd. Just after the top of the pass came to Kingston No 8. Very large mine dump. In about a half hour found the following items. A nice sample of Anthophyllite, Magnetite all over the area. Found a very nice sample of dodecahedral Crystals in a white calcite matrix. Crystals are small (about .5cm) but look very nice with the black crystals in the white. Will plan another trip there to spend some more time. By the way I use Delorme with GPS and Masmilsplus loaded on a laptop. Cliff Jackson Cliff Jackson From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 10:33:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Mar 29 10:33:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Out to North Jersey In-Reply-To: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040329074055.02fe6eb0@mail.aloha.net> I can outdo you on that one. My dad, who also was an engineer at Bell Labs, built his own inverter and took me out for night collecting at Franklin in 1950! I remember him lugging a car battery in one hand and the inverter and UV lamp in the other. I don't remember there even being a collecting fee. And I still have many gorgeous big chunks of fluorescent material from back then. As for "characters," the most interesting one we knew was Ed Skidmore. He had an old Motel T Ford in his yard that he kept polished and in mint condition. The first time we went to his home he had a ribbon fence around the car and signs warning not to touch. On a later visit when we arrived a loud speaker broadcast a recording of Ed's voice warning that the car was electrified and if anyone touched it they would be killed. My father looked it over a bit, then touched it and there was no shock. But it was pretty remarkable back then for Ed to have built his own tape recorder and speaker system---not the kind of thing you could just run down to a store and buy off the shelf. The SW UV lamp my dad bought from Skidmore in 1949 still works, as does the inverter my dad built. Aloha, Kitty At 04:35 AM 3/29/2004, Gary Brown wrote: >I remember the first time I called at Buckwheat with my Dad back in >1964. He worked at Bell Labs and had one of his engineers rig up an AC >inverter for me so we could go night collecting. Ah... Those were the days! >You could drive right up to the face of the dump, pay your $1 collecting >fee, and have at it! I still have many pieces in my collection from those >days...not to mention the odd piece or two from "Nick". > >Now, there's a subject for an interesting string of notes! "Interesting" >characters you've run across on your collecting trips. >GcB --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 11:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 29 11:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New TOPO usa out! In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040329074055.02fe6eb0@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <004601c415c1$75471280$6501a8c0@moose> Cool, cool, cool... New TopoUSA 5.0 is out! I just phoned in my order, and with any luck (and $15 extra for 2 day shipping ) it should be here in time for Friday's trip to NJ. Here's a link to DeLorme: http://www.delorme.com/topousa/default.asp After the weekend, I'll do a review on features, etc etc. Hoping not to short out my keyboard with anticipatory drool, I remain, Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 12:02:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Mon Mar 29 12:02:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New TOPO usa out! In-Reply-To: <004601c415c1$75471280$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040329200147.6616.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> Does the topo prog have historic topo's in there say back in the early 1900's or late 1800's --- Gary Brown wrote: > Cool, cool, cool... > > New TopoUSA 5.0 is out! I just phoned in my order, > and with any luck (and > $15 extra for 2 day shipping ) it should be > here in time for Friday's > trip to NJ. Here's a link to DeLorme: > > http://www.delorme.com/topousa/default.asp > > After the weekend, I'll do a review on features, etc > etc. > > Hoping not to short out my keyboard with > anticipatory drool, I remain, > > Gary Brown > Catspaw Minerals > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > Home of MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 12:09:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 29 12:09:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New TOPO usa out! In-Reply-To: <20040329200147.6616.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801c415c9$be7365a0$6501a8c0@moose> I doubt it... It generates the maps dynamically (vector graphics, as we say in the biz) rather than by showing scaled scanner images (raster graphics). GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Stephen Stover > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:02 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New TOPO usa out! > > > Does the topo prog have historic topo's in there say > back in the early 1900's or late 1800's From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 12:21:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Mar 29 12:21:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] typo correction In-Reply-To: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040329104146.03b93b30@mail.aloha.net> On my earlier message I said Ed Skidmore had a Motel T Ford. Obviously I meant Model T. A Motel T is one step lower than Motel 6. Aloha, Kitty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 12:26:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 29 12:26:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question Message-ID: <1a0.225ebbc8.2d99e037@aol.com> question for ya Gary how well does masmils interface with delorme street atlas 2004? or is a topo much easier especially as far as the terrain goes? Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 12:55:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 29 12:55:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question In-Reply-To: <1a0.225ebbc8.2d99e037@aol.com> Message-ID: <007401c415d0$128ba8e0$6501a8c0@moose> Like a champ... With 2003 (or was it 2002?? I've lost track of versions. I've bought each new one since v1.0!) they went to a common (more or less) user interface with a tab box at the bottom of the screen where you get at various and sundry functions (Search | Draw | GPS | etc etc). The import for both the SA and Topo is under the draw function on the Import or File button (I'm too lazy to fire the thing up right now .). As far as terrain... The topo has topography (duh!) down to the countour level. SA is more shading and the like. Also, the topo has "features" in the search option (like Mt. Whizontheground). GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Gslrocks@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:25 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] question > > > question for ya Gary how well does masmils interface with > delorme street > atlas 2004? or is a topo much easier especially as far as the > terrain goes? > > > Greg Lesinski > GSLROCKS > 4726 Porter Center Rd. > Lewiston NY > 14092 > Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books > website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 13:06:49 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Mar 29 13:06:49 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question In-Reply-To: <007401c415d0$128ba8e0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: Hi Gary, I visited the DeLorme website and couldn't locate any information on the base maps used for the CD's. Do you happen to know if they were developed from 1:24,000, 1:50,000 or 1:100,000 topos? There are state sets of topos using 7.5 minute quads that run around $100 per state and can be output as single topo sheets, or as composites. Can the DeLorme product, from your experience, output single topo maps for reference purposes. What I guess I'm asking is, if I wanted to output, say the Rock Run 7.5' quad, could I do that? I know you are not a spokesperson for DeLorme, but as a user, you may have some insight into this. thanks. Henry Henry Barwood Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science Department of Math and Physics MSCX 312G Troy State University Troy, Alabama 36082 hbarwood@troyst.edu -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:55 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] question Like a champ... With 2003 (or was it 2002?? I've lost track of versions. I've bought each new one since v1.0!) they went to a common (more or less) user interface with a tab box at the bottom of the screen where you get at various and sundry functions (Search | Draw | GPS | etc etc). The import for both the SA and Topo is under the draw function on the Import or File button (I'm too lazy to fire the thing up right now .). As far as terrain... The topo has topography (duh!) down to the countour level. SA is more shading and the like. Also, the topo has "features" in the search option (like Mt. Whizontheground). GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Gslrocks@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:25 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] question > > > question for ya Gary how well does masmils interface with > delorme street > atlas 2004? or is a topo much easier especially as far as the > terrain goes? > > > Greg Lesinski > GSLROCKS > 4726 Porter Center Rd. > Lewiston NY > 14092 > Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books > website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 13:08:05 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 29 13:08:05 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question Message-ID: <1d8.1da7fee8.2d99e9c3@aol.com> actually i have the street atlas 7.0 and the De Lorme 2004 version.. dont have the other one you spoke of yet... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 13:25:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 29 13:25:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007901c415d4$44343a20$6501a8c0@moose> >From what I know (which is as an outsider...) they base their maps on USGS digitization information. I assume (!) that they then do the usual point-to-point interpolations that crank out topo lines (hows THAT for gobblee-gook!). As to the 1 to 1 correspondense with a given USGS 7.5' quad...I've never tried it directly. Good idea, though. I'll dig up a map and see what's what and put some scans up here after I get my new Topo in. I'll set up something so we can A/B compare the two. I would reckon that in an area with a lot of topo lines their algorythm for mapping from points may get off...but probably not much. When you get right down to it if you have the whole USA on one DVD with a pretty good accuracy, that's pretty amazing! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Henry Barwood > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:10 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] question > > > Hi Gary, > > I visited the DeLorme website and couldn't locate any > information on the base maps used for the CD's. Do you happen > to know if they were developed from 1:24,000, 1:50,000 or > 1:100,000 topos? There are state sets of topos using 7.5 > minute quads that run around $100 per state and can be output > as single topo sheets, or as composites. Can the DeLorme > product, from your experience, output single topo maps for > reference purposes. What I guess I'm asking is, if I wanted > to output, say the Rock Run 7.5' quad, could I do that? I > know you are not a spokesperson for DeLorme, but as a user, > you may have some insight into this. thanks. > > Henry From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 13:48:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Cliff Jackson) Date: Mon Mar 29 13:48:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question Message-ID: <30117512.1080596846499.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Greg I use MasMils with the street atlas and it works very well. When I am at the mine site the GPS location is right on. Cliff Jackson -----Original Message----- From: Gslrocks@aol.com Sent: Mar 29, 2004 12:25 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] question question for ya Gary how well does masmils interface with delorme street atlas 2004? or is a topo much easier especially as far as the terrain goes? Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Cliff Jackson From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 13:52:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Duane) Date: Mon Mar 29 13:52:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Edwin Skidmore In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040329074055.02fe6eb0@mail.aloha.net> References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20040329163816.00e0dec0@pop.megalink.net> I met Ed Skidmore in 1965, at some quarry in New Jersey. My college roommate and I were down that way doing some early spring collecting. He asked where we were staying and we told him that we were camping out randomly (any place you could get the 1956 Nash Rambler off the road behind a few trees). He asked what we were eating and we allowed as how we had 20 # of deer meat hamburg and a bulk pack of hamburg rolls. I don't know if it was the hamburg or what but we spent the next three nights sleeping in Ed's laundry room and sharing the hamburg.. he really seemed to like it. He had the most wonderful Los Lamentos Wulfenite specimen I have ever seen, and presented each of us with a nice NJ stilbite specimen when we left. God bless you Ed wherever you are !! PS.Left front wheel fell completely off the car one week after we returned.... must have been all the Franklin ore was too much for it. I mean all vehicles are supposed to get 267 K miles right ??? Not just the Tacomas??? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 14:02:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 29 14:02:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question Message-ID: <45.80f3f47.2d99f69e@aol.com> Thanks, guess i better quit buyin so many rocks and get a GPS soon. I have been visually searching locations on Terra server and plotting them LAT and Long wise on the Delorme 2004. Well it kills some time up here in the frigid north around Buffalo NY. It is amazing the obscure rock piles you can find that way though! You also find locations that used to be mines and now are reclaimed, obliterated and overgrown! (even though the satellite pic looks fantastic!) A good example is the Zinc Corporation Hyatt mine near Talcville NY. What you see in the pic is all gone. All that is left is some filled in swampy areas with little to offer, except for historical interest. Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 14:11:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Mar 29 14:11:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question References: <45.80f3f47.2d99f69e@aol.com> Message-ID: <40689F59.8C31B7A7@att.net> Gslrocks@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks, guess i better quit buyin so many rocks and get a GPS soon. I have > been visually searching locations on Terra server and plotting them LAT and Long > wise on the Delorme 2004. Catch up with me in Rochester and I will show you the power of MAS/MILS with TopoUSA. Your life will be altered. Don From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 14:24:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Mon Mar 29 14:24:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question Message-ID: <85.814709f.2d99fbd6@aol.com> that could be arranged i have to meet a few people there, and it is not TOO far from home 2 hrs from Lewiston. Are you bringing a laptop along? Or do i have to bring one from home? Greg --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 17:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Mar 29 17:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Edwin Skidmore & Dick Hauck In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20040329163816.00e0dec0@pop.megalink.net> References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <4.3.1.0.20040329163816.00e0dec0@pop.megalink.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040329145113.03012b20@mail.aloha.net> My father's diaries have entries regarding Edwin Skidmore between 1949 and 1953. He mentions going to Skidmore's home in Mountainview, but on the old UV Lamp is a label that says "Edwin Skidmore, Plainfield, NJ." So do you remember where his home was when you stayed with him? Was there an old car? My older brother remembers the incident I mentioned earlier this way: Ed Skidmore proudly showed off an alarm system he had installed so that when anyone touched the car a tape-recorder was triggered and his voice shouted: "Thief!!! Vandal!! Robbery in progress! Call the police!!" This was pretty advanced for 1949, as tape-recorders and loud speakers were unusual and he had devised and built the whole set-up himself. At a later time we found that he had signs warning that the car was booby-trapped to electrify anyone who touched the car, but our father demonstrated that it was not---or at least it wasn't turned on at that time. The last time we went to Franklin/Ogdensburg a couple of years ago we took the mine tour at Sterling Hill. Our guide was an older fellow who has a great "oratory" style of presentation: big voice and rehearsed "dramatic" hand gestures and droll remarks, as he gave fascinating history. At the end I had a chance to speak with him and told him my parents and I had collected at Franklin back in the late 1940's and early 50's, and that we'd known Ed Skidmore. It turns out this was Dick Hauck, who now owns the mine, and he said, "Ah, yes. Edwin Skidmore. He was a strange one: a little like the Liberty Bell---important and respected, but a little cracked." One particular item I have from Skidmore is a sphere about 7cm. in diameter of Calcite and Willemite with a black spot of Franklinite that is shaped a bit like North America, so the effect is to suggest a globe of the earth. I don't know if Ed made the sphere or not. I do remember that as a little girl I was entranced by his glowing collection, and I try to inspire small kids with fluorescent minerals---some from that same collection---to this day. Aloha, Kitty At 11:51 AM 3/29/2004, Duane wrote: > I met Ed Skidmore in 1965, at some quarry in New Jersey. My > college roommate and I were down that way doing some early spring > collecting. He asked where we were staying and we told him that we were > camping out randomly (any place you could get the 1956 Nash Rambler off > the road behind a few trees). He asked what we were eating and we allowed > as how we had 20 # of deer meat hamburg and a bulk pack of hamburg rolls. > I don't know if it was the hamburg or what but we spent the next three > nights sleeping in Ed's laundry room and sharing the hamburg.. he really > seemed to like it. He had the most wonderful Los Lamentos Wulfenite > specimen I have ever seen, and presented each of us with a nice NJ > stilbite specimen when we left. God bless you Ed wherever you are !! > PS.Left front wheel fell completely off the car one week after we > returned.... must have been all the Franklin ore was too much for it. I > mean all vehicles are supposed to get 267 K miles right ??? Not just the > Tacomas??? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 18:54:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Don H) Date: Mon Mar 29 18:54:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question References: <85.814709f.2d99fbd6@aol.com> Message-ID: <4068E18C.BBC1EB39@att.net> Gslrocks@aol.com wrote: > > that could be arranged i have to meet a few people there, and it is not TOO > far from home 2 hrs from Lewiston. Are you bringing a laptop along? Or do i > have to bring one from home? > Greg I'll have a laptop. For anyone else who will be there and wants to see TopoUSA and MAS/MILS (which is similar to street atlas, but with more terrain and less streets) please contact me off-list and I'll arrange to meet with you. Don Halterman From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 19:18:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 29 19:18:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] question In-Reply-To: <4068E18C.BBC1EB39@att.net> Message-ID: <004001c41605$9bf1a910$6501a8c0@moose> Am I missing half of this conversation? gcb > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:55 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] question > > > Gslrocks@aol.com wrote: > > > > that could be arranged i have to meet a few people there, and it is > > not TOO far from home 2 hrs from Lewiston. Are you bringing > a laptop > > along? Or do i have to bring one from home? Greg > > I'll have a laptop. For anyone else who will be there and > wants to see TopoUSA and MAS/MILS (which is similar to street > atlas, but with more terrain and less streets) please contact > me off-list and I'll arrange to meet with you. > > Don Halterman > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 19:34:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Mar 29 19:34:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Edwin Skidmore & Dick Hauck In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040329145113.03012b20@mail.aloha.net> References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <4.3.1.0.20040329163816.00e0dec0@pop.megalink.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040329145113.03012b20@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <4068EA29.8020206@tenforward.com> Hi All, Great stories, I'm very much enjoying them! Thank you. All the very best, John Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > My father's diaries have entries regarding Edwin Skidmore between 1949 > and 1953. He mentions going to Skidmore's home in Mountainview, but > on the old UV Lamp is a label that says "Edwin Skidmore, Plainfield, > NJ." So do you remember where his home was when you stayed with him? > Was there an old car? > > My older brother remembers the incident I mentioned earlier this way: > Ed Skidmore proudly showed off an alarm system he had installed so > that when anyone touched the car a tape-recorder was triggered and his > voice shouted: "Thief!!! Vandal!! Robbery in progress! Call the > police!!" This was pretty advanced for 1949, as tape-recorders and > loud speakers were unusual and he had devised and built the whole > set-up himself. At a later time we found that he had signs warning > that the car was booby-trapped to electrify anyone who touched the > car, but our father demonstrated that it was not---or at least it > wasn't turned on at that time. > > The last time we went to Franklin/Ogdensburg a couple of years ago we > took the mine tour at Sterling Hill. Our guide was an older fellow > who has a great "oratory" style of presentation: big voice and > rehearsed "dramatic" hand gestures and droll remarks, as he gave > fascinating history. At the end I had a chance to speak with him and > told him my parents and I had collected at Franklin back in the late > 1940's and early 50's, and that we'd known Ed Skidmore. It turns out > this was Dick Hauck, who now owns the mine, and he said, "Ah, yes. > Edwin Skidmore. He was a strange one: a little like the Liberty > Bell---important and respected, but a little cracked." > > One particular item I have from Skidmore is a sphere about 7cm. in > diameter of Calcite and Willemite with a black spot of Franklinite > that is shaped a bit like North America, so the effect is to suggest a > globe of the earth. I don't know if Ed made the sphere or not. I do > remember that as a little girl I was entranced by his glowing > collection, and I try to inspire small kids with fluorescent > minerals---some from that same collection---to this day. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 11:51 AM 3/29/2004, Duane wrote: > >> I met Ed Skidmore in 1965, at some quarry in New Jersey. My >> college roommate and I were down that way doing some early spring >> collecting. He asked where we were staying and we told him that we >> were camping out randomly (any place you could get the 1956 Nash >> Rambler off the road behind a few trees). He asked what we were >> eating and we allowed as how we had 20 # of deer meat hamburg and a >> bulk pack of hamburg rolls. I don't know if it was the hamburg or >> what but we spent the next three nights sleeping in Ed's laundry room >> and sharing the hamburg.. he really seemed to like it. He had the >> most wonderful Los Lamentos Wulfenite specimen I have ever seen, and >> presented each of us with a nice NJ stilbite specimen when we left. >> God bless you Ed wherever you are !! >> PS.Left front wheel fell completely off the car one week >> after we returned.... must have been all the Franklin ore was too >> much for it. I mean all vehicles are supposed to get 267 K miles >> right ??? Not just the Tacomas??? > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Mon Mar 29 23:58:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (JAMES BUDNIK) Date: Mon Mar 29 23:58:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral show Message-ID: This coming weekend is the Cincinnati, Ohio USA Geofair. It is a great show. April 3 10 am-7 pm and April 4 11am-5pm at the Cincinnati Convention Center in Cincinnati, Ohio. For more information go to www.geofair.com. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 00:06:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Tue Mar 30 00:06:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Your letter Message-ID: <200403300805.i2U85cGV031285@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Please have a look at the attached file. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/octet-stream --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 03:23:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue Mar 30 03:23:00 2004 Subject: OT: viruses, was: [Rockhounds] Re: Your letter References: <200403300805.i2U85cGV031285@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001701c41649$3e705770$7f7f7f7f@eur.nai.com> The good news is, Aaron has set up this mailing list so no attachments will be forwarded. As a result, you get these messages which originated from viruses, but without the virus. The bad news is, some of you probably get lots of similar messages like this. And at least some of you are clicking on them, as evidenced by these messages. There are a batch of viruses known as Bagle, Netsky, Mydoom, and Sober that are rampant. The key to most of them is they tell you to click on the attachment. Anyway, never click on an attachment unless you're engaged in a discussion with the other party and he tells you that he's sending you an attachment. And then send the attachment in a *separate* message. Make this your normal mode of email communcation and you ought to stay safe from this current set. And remember, the antivirus you have is only as good as your last update. So, keep it up to date. Hopefully, this will give you more time to enjoy rockhounding instead of dealing with viruses. And also those messages from an admin saying your account is being deleted, that's one of the messages sent by Bagle. Just delete them. Happy hunting... Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Your letter > Please have a look at the attached file. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/octet-stream > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 05:42:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Mar 30 05:42:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <40689F59.8C31B7A7@att.net> Message-ID: <200403301340.i2UDestT056593@mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net> For those running Outlook 2003 with its Junk Mail filter, there is a new update as of March 24, 2004. I downloaded it last night and it caught 95% of my junk mail. MS has actually getting it right. Outlook 2003 is really worth the upgrade, just for the filter (and some other very nice features). You can easily export your contacts list to other database formats and even link your contacts from Access. Very nice. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 06:57:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 30 06:57:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <200403301340.i2UDestT056593@mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <005e01c41667$43761070$6501a8c0@moose> The bad news is that if you use Norton's Spam Filter program your Norton program (not Outlook) will cease to work. I called up Symantec and they told me "Oh... Microsoft wasn't due to send that out for a number of weeks yet". I'm still waiting for the "fix" from Symantec. Too bad. The Symantec program is actually quite good. And the battle goes on... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tommy Armstrong > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft > > > For those running Outlook 2003 with its Junk Mail filter, > there is a new update as of March 24, 2004. ..... From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 10:54:37 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Mar 30 10:54:37 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <005e01c41667$43761070$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040330164350.E1499EABE9A@delivery.infowest.com> Well, the idea behind buying the new Outlook one would be if you were using it, and not Norton (otherwise, why get an update for the Outlook one?) When I installed my Norton one, I had to turn the Outlook one off -- it's something they tell you how to do-- during the installation. I assume this appplies to the new Outlook one. Margaret The bad news is that if you use Norton's Spam Filter program your Norton program (not Outlook) will cease to work. I called up Symantec and they told me "Oh... Microsoft wasn't due to send that out for a number of weeks yet". I'm still waiting for the "fix" from Symantec. Too bad. The Symantec program is actually quite good. And the battle goes on... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tommy Armstrong > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft > > > For those running Outlook 2003 with its Junk Mail filter, > there is a new update as of March 24, 2004. ..... _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 10:55:34 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Mar 30 10:55:34 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] New Policy Message-ID: Good morning, As of Tuesday, March 30, 2004, the Rockhounds membership policy is amended: * Your membership will be temporarily suspended if, upon analysis of the header sections, a email message that exhibits the signature of or having been created by a computer virus, trojan, or other malware application, is recieved by the Rockhounds mailing list software and passed on for distribution. An email will be sent (by me) to the sender notifying him or her of the suspension. This is not meant to be a punishment, but as a wake-up call that your system may have some problems that need to be dealt with. Basically, clean up your machine, get rid of the virus, and I will be glad to reinstate you with no questions asked. IMNSHO, this is the only way to keep email lists as a useful tool without going to complete moderation (something I don't have the time for). Questions, comments, gripes, flames, and vice presidential nominations to me off-list (afox@pdx.edu) a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 11:06:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 30 11:06:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20040330164350.E1499EABE9A@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <000e01c41689$f485b330$6501a8c0@moose> Margaret: Which outlook are you talking about? Express or "full"? Outlook has always had "filter" in the sense of being able to find keywords and toss mail based on that. What it hasn't had (and I don't see it on my updated copy) is a "heuristic" adaptive filter. Where on your Outlook is the Spam Filter on/off switch, by the way... If it's in my copy I'd like to find it! Thanks GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Malm > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:44 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 > from Microsoft > > > Well, the idea behind buying the new Outlook one would be if > you were using it, and not Norton (otherwise, why get an > update for the Outlook one?) When I installed my Norton one, > I had to turn the Outlook one off -- it's something they tell > you how to do-- during the installation. I assume this > appplies to the new Outlook one. > > Margaret From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 11:38:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Mar 30 11:38:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Confusion about 'Sender' Message-ID: Greetings, There have been some concerns about forged Sender addresses and the user suspension. Yes, I am aware that many of the viruses out there forge the Sender field. However, that's not the only clue as to who sends the message. There are several other fields, notably: * X-Envelope-From: * From: * Message-Id: * X-Sender: In a legitimate email, these fields will all add up, indicating mail originating on the same server as the Sender purports to be from. For example, this is a header from a LEGITIMATE email: -------------------------------------------------------- X-Envelope-From: SMoncaster@golder.com X-Envelope-To: Received: from seainternet.golder.com (pop.goldsim.com [157.208.11.254] (may be forged)) by drizzle.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2TGYBrM014101 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:34:12 -0800 Received: by seainternet.golder.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:35:02 -0800 Message-ID: <5ABB91FCEEAED5118FBB0090273050150712C0FE@SEAEXCHANGE> From: "Moncaster, Steve" To: Aaron Fox Subject: RE: PDX-SEA Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:28:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on yasure.drizzle.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * Notice that all the servers involved in the exchange of this email map to Golder (Goldsim is a group within Golder Associates) Now, when you look at a spam or potential spam message, note that these addresses DO NOT add up; the message appears to come from several different places: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Envelope-From: dmalvkire@hotmail.com Received: from dream-designs.net ([63.114.100.241]) by drizzle.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i2UIXOQQ012983; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:33:26 -0800 To: <12345678@drizzle.com> From: "sidney" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:38:04 GMT Message-Id: <1080718684-29819@excite.com> Sender: sweetsfp1013@hotmail.com Subject: Stronger than V1AGRA?! Content-Type: text/plain; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on yasure.drizzle.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2,PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * Notice the number of different domains involved? This is most definately forged. In summary, I won't arbitraily ban people w/o checking the headers to make sure it's not a forged messasge. I'm a bit smarter than that...:-) Cheers! Aaron Rockhounds Admin -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 11:53:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Mar 30 11:53:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good News from DeLorme! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c41690$a93e9890$6501a8c0@moose> I just off the phone with my New Resource within DeLorme. Real Soon Now they are going to be opening up a full-scale set of discussion forums on Topo 5. The neat thing is that they are going to allow the positing of map data files. So.... You'll be able to send your collecting locations, neat spots, good bars, etc etc up to the site and share it with the world. Secondly, the forums will be an interchange between users. What you don't know, someone else probably does. Finally, I asked Dan (my contact at DeLorme's) if I could forward appropriate questions on to him. He foolishly said "yes". So, there ya go! (Note that this is not a guarantee that every note will get a response, no promises, etc etc. You know the drill.) I've told Dan that all of us on the list are probably one of the best group of users that he could hope to find. We know maps, we are "real" users, and we can articulate out desires/needs/questions. I like those guys up there in Maine. Regards, Gary http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of the MasMils/PLUS mine location disk From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 14:27:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 30 14:27:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20040330164350.E1499EABE9A@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: I thought about buying the newer Outlook 2003 for the supposedly improved filtering but I heard a lot of complaining about the new interface. I stumbled across Edovia InboxShield after looking at McAfee Spamcop (too intrusive IMO). The Edovia product is non-intrusive uses a whitelist, blacklist and Bayesian filtering. I'm getting about 95+% effectiveness on incoming spam with few false positive hits. For $22 (if you use promotion code 'antispam') it was a good deal. There maybe better products but this one works well for me, YMMV. Much cheaper than buying a new copy of Outlook too. Bryan Lex et Libertas -- Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! > > Well, the idea behind buying the new Outlook one would be if you > were using > it, and not Norton (otherwise, why get an update for the Outlook > one?) When > I installed my Norton one, I had to turn the Outlook one off -- it's > something they tell you how to do-- during the installation. I assume this > appplies to the new Outlook one. > > Margaret > > > The bad news is that if you use Norton's Spam Filter program your Norton > program (not Outlook) will cease to work. I called up Symantec and they > told me "Oh... Microsoft wasn't due to send that out for a number of weeks > yet". I'm still waiting for the "fix" from Symantec. Too bad. > The Symantec > program is actually quite good. And the battle goes on... > > GcB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Tommy Armstrong > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft > > > > > > For those running Outlook 2003 with its Junk Mail filter, > > there is a new update as of March 24, 2004. ..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 16:10:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Mar 30 16:10:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20040330164350.E1499EABE9A@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <200403310007.i2V073V6076100@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net> I'm sorry I started such a commotion. I, for one, and maybe I'm the only one, actually like Microsoft Outlook 2003 as an email, contacts, calendar, journal, and task program. The improvements in 2003 are incremental as are all improvements that Microsoft heralds, but I for one, think they are very nice. Its better integration with Office, its multiple views and easy to configure search folders, I think are very good. Not to mention an easy to read preview pane and its junk mail filtering system. Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Malm > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:44 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 > from Microsoft > > Well, the idea behind buying the new Outlook one would be if > you were using it, and not Norton (otherwise, why get an > update for the Outlook one?) When I installed my Norton one, > I had to turn the Outlook one off -- it's something they tell > you how to do-- during the installation. I assume this > appplies to the new Outlook one. > > Margaret > > > The bad news is that if you use Norton's Spam Filter program > your Norton program (not Outlook) will cease to work. I > called up Symantec and they told me "Oh... Microsoft wasn't > due to send that out for a number of weeks yet". I'm still > waiting for the "fix" from Symantec. Too bad. The Symantec > program is actually quite good. And the battle goes on... > > GcB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tommy > > Armstrong > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 AM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 > from Microsoft > > > > > > For those running Outlook 2003 with its Junk Mail filter, > there is a > > new update as of March 24, 2004. ..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 18:00:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 30 18:00:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Topo Mapping Programs In-Reply-To: <007401c415d0$128ba8e0$6501a8c0@moose> References: <1a0.225ebbc8.2d99e037@aol.com> <007401c415d0$128ba8e0$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040330174850.0203ba78@mail.spiritone.com> If any of you are truly geographically insane (I am lol), I suggest you try www.igage.com. Their AllTopoMaps is the be-all and end-all of topo programs. You can do so many things with it I don't think I even know them all. Specifically, they have a list of every named feature in every state, from the USGS (which I believe is the Nat Geog source), USPS, Census, and many other sources. For example, I routinely find localities by the name of the rancher that owns them, since they got somebody's database of big ranches. Very cool program although a bit more $ than the Nat Geog program. The PLS (aka MTRS, aka township/range/section) search capabilities alone are what got me to pop for the OR/WA/ID sets in the first place...they don't approximate; they have the actual, legal TRS definitions in the product, something I have never seen another topo program do. Now I know they don't have all the MAS/MILS mines in there; so Gary, give them a call & sell them your CD! On another facet of the same thread, I used a cheap ($250) GIS program to overlay road names (from the BLM) and land ownership (from the state) on my 7.5' topo maps for a trip that I just got back from to Glass Buttes, Hampton, and Burns, OR. Worked like a charm, even with the inconsistencies in the state data (like the same 1/4 section being owned by no less than 3 landowners!). Plus the shaded relief maps from AllTopoMaps look so cool with the GIS road coverages and land ownership overlaid on them :) At 12:54 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: >Like a champ... With 2003 (or was it 2002?? I've lost track of versions. >I've bought each new one since v1.0!) they went to a common (more or less) >user interface with a tab box at the bottom of the screen where you get at >various and sundry functions (Search | Draw | GPS | etc etc). The import >for both the SA and Topo is under the draw function on the Import or File >button (I'm too lazy to fire the thing up right now .). > >As far as terrain... The topo has topography (duh!) down to the countour >level. SA is more shading and the like. Also, the topo has "features" in >the search option (like Mt. Whizontheground). > >GcB Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 18:03:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 30 18:03:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Delorme's sources In-Reply-To: <007901c415d4$44343a20$6501a8c0@moose> References: <007901c415d4$44343a20$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040330180020.02053c30@mail.spiritone.com> Gary, they bought the USGS DLGs (digital line graphics, aka vector data) from another company who cleaned them up and are selling them for a small fortune, so it's the same beginning data, with an undoubtedly different algorithm. So I wouldn't be surprised if there were small errors, but nothing should be substantially different from the 7.5' topos...if it is, they goofed lol. At 01:24 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: > From what I know (which is as an outsider...) they base their maps on USGS >digitization information. I assume (!) that they then do the usual >point-to-point interpolations that crank out topo lines (hows THAT for >gobblee-gook!). As to the 1 to 1 correspondense with a given USGS 7.5' >quad...I've never tried it directly. Good idea, though. I'll dig up a map >and see what's what and put some scans up here after I get my new Topo in. >I'll set up something so we can A/B compare the two. I would reckon that in >an area with a lot of topo lines their algorythm for mapping from points may >get off...but probably not much. When you get right down to it if you have >the whole USA on one DVD with a pretty good accuracy, that's pretty amazing! > >GcB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Henry Barwood > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:10 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] question > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > I visited the DeLorme website and couldn't locate any > > information on the base maps used for the CD's. Do you happen > > to know if they were developed from 1:24,000, 1:50,000 or > > 1:100,000 topos? There are state sets of topos using 7.5 > > minute quads that run around $100 per state and can be output > > as single topo sheets, or as composites. Can the DeLorme > > product, from your experience, output single topo maps for > > reference purposes. What I guess I'm asking is, if I wanted > > to output, say the Rock Run 7.5' quad, could I do that? I > > know you are not a spokesperson for DeLorme, but as a user, > > you may have some insight into this. thanks. > > > > Henry > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 18:06:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 30 18:06:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] New Policy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040330180515.02b12e90@mail.spiritone.com> YAY!!!!! At 09:08 AM 3/30/2004, you wrote: >Good morning, > >As of Tuesday, March 30, 2004, the Rockhounds membership policy is >amended: > >* Your membership will be temporarily suspended if, upon analysis of the >header sections, a email message that exhibits the signature of or having >been created by a computer virus, trojan, or other malware application, >is recieved by the Rockhounds mailing list software and passed on for >distribution. An email will be sent (by me) to the sender notifying him >or her of the suspension. > >This is not meant to be a punishment, but as a wake-up call that your >system may have some problems that need to be dealt with. Basically, clean >up your machine, get rid of the virus, and I will be glad to reinstate >you with no questions asked. IMNSHO, this is the only way to keep email >lists as a useful tool without going to complete moderation (something I >don't have the time for). > >Questions, comments, gripes, flames, and vice presidential nominations to >me off-list (afox@pdx.edu) > >a. From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 18:09:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 30 18:09:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <200403310007.i2V073V6076100@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net> References: <20040330164350.E1499EABE9A@delivery.infowest.com> <200403310007.i2V073V6076100@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040330180808.02050d48@mail.spiritone.com> Yes MS finally caught up with the rest of the world. All stuff that Eudora has been doing for years :D At 04:14 PM 3/30/2004, you wrote: >I'm sorry I started such a commotion. I, for one, and maybe I'm the only >one, actually like Microsoft Outlook 2003 as an email, contacts, calendar, >journal, and task program. The improvements in 2003 are incremental as are >all improvements that Microsoft heralds, but I for one, think they are very >nice. Its better integration with Office, its multiple views and easy to >configure search folders, I think are very good. Not to mention an easy to >read preview pane and its junk mail filtering system. > >Tommy Armstrong > >"Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a >spark from their juxtaposition." >Max Ernst Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of Oregon rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 19:06:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Tue Mar 30 19:06:00 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] Edwin Skidmore & Dick Hauck References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <4.3.1.0.20040329163816.00e0dec0@pop.megalink.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040329145113.03012b20@mail.aloha.net> Message-ID: <005101c416cd$89dbb2c0$85a5490c@pete> I remember a collector back there (New Jersey) in the late 1960s, who had one fluorescent specimen that he called his "river of life" rock (a branching veinlet of willemite, bright fl. of course). This became something amusing to recall for years, but then one time, much later (1980s??), I actually encountered and saw someone with this same "river of life" again, using that same name. Could this original person have been Edwin Skidmore, giving a program on fluorescent minerals? I'm trying to remember if I ever met him, or not, when I lived back there. Pete Modreski From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 19:14:17 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Mar 30 19:14:17 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <000e01c41689$f485b330$6501a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040331031354.C20C0EAC756@delivery.infowest.com> G. -- Sorry, I am not expert enough to be able to tell you. I shouldn't've even gotten into this discussion. I don't remember just where the off/of switch is; it was just one step of the process, on the Norton Personal Firewall installation disk. Margaret Margaret: Which outlook are you talking about? Express or "full"? Outlook has always had "filter" in the sense of being able to find keywords and toss mail based on that. What it hasn't had (and I don't see it on my updated copy) is a "heuristic" adaptive filter. Where on your Outlook is the Spam Filter on/off switch, by the way... If it's in my copy I'd like to find it! Thanks GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Malm > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:44 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New Spam Filter for Outllook 2003 > from Microsoft > > > Well, the idea behind buying the new Outlook one would be if > you were using it, and not Norton (otherwise, why get an > update for the Outlook one?) When I installed my Norton one, > I had to turn the Outlook one off -- it's something they tell > you how to do-- during the installation. I assume this > appplies to the new Outlook one. > > Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Tue Mar 30 19:17:01 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Mar 30 19:17:01 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] New Policy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040331031622.3E027EAC1EB@delivery.infowest.com> Thanks, Aaron. I am tired of having a half dozen virus messages showing up in my mail each day. (My ISP checks for them and sets them aside before sending me my mail.) Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-admin@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Fox Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:08 AM To: Rockhounds mailing list Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] New Policy Good morning, As of Tuesday, March 30, 2004, the Rockhounds membership policy is amended: * Your membership will be temporarily suspended if, upon analysis of the header sections, a email message that exhibits the signature of or having been created by a computer virus, trojan, or other malware application, is recieved by the Rockhounds mailing list software and passed on for distribution. An email will be sent (by me) to the sender notifying him or her of the suspension. This is not meant to be a punishment, but as a wake-up call that your system may have some problems that need to be dealt with. Basically, clean up your machine, get rid of the virus, and I will be glad to reinstate you with no questions asked. IMNSHO, this is the only way to keep email lists as a useful tool without going to complete moderation (something I don't have the time for). Questions, comments, gripes, flames, and vice presidential nominations to me off-list (afox@pdx.edu) a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox Highway Patrolman: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg: "No, but I know EXACTLY where I was!" _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 31 00:05:02 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 31 00:05:02 2004 Subject: [Rockhounds] "River of Life" fluorescent rock? In-Reply-To: <005101c416cd$89dbb2c0$85a5490c@pete> References: <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <007301c4159b$26235360$6501a8c0@moose> <4.3.1.0.20040329163816.00e0dec0@pop.megalink.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040329145113.03012b20@mail.aloha.net> <005101c416cd$89dbb2c0$85a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040330181922.02ff8280@mail.aloha.net> Neat story, Pete! I changed the subject title in case someone will recognize the rock. Aloha, Kitty At 05:09 PM 3/30/2004, you wrote: >I remember a collector back there (New Jersey) in the late 1960s, who had >one fluorescent specimen that he called his "river of life" rock (a >branching veinlet of willemite, bright fl. of course). This became >something amusing to recall for years, but then one time, much later >(1980s??), I actually encountered and saw someone with this same "river of >life" again, using that same name. Could this original person have been >Edwin Skidmore, giving a program on fluorescent minerals? I'm trying to >remember if I ever met him, or not, when I lived back there. > >Pete Modreski > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 2/17/2004 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Wed Mar 31 14:03:00 2004 From: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com (Mel Albright) Date: Wed Mar 31 14:03:00 2004 Subject: re [rockhounds] new spam filter for outllook 2003 from microsoft References: <200403311629.i2VGTXd26768@mail.bartnet.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4176b$e22bb030$e2b3950c@jessie> I'm not sure if it is what you want but in Outlook Express you go tools-message rules-mail and you get a table where you can set up your own rules for scanning mail. It is quite flexible and effective. The disadvantage is it is empty to start. Mel Albright