From bobl at peaktopeak.com Thu Dec 1 00:26:37 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Dec 1 00:27:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero (was "Favorite rocks") In-Reply-To: <438C857E.2070306@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <200512010826.jB18Qqvu024074@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all, I'm with the North Jeffco club that John mentioned, and yes, we do have at least one trip to Mt. Antero (Colorado, USA) each year. Some years we have had two or three trips. I just wanted to mention that if you plan on going up there, make sure you aren't digging on one of the many claims on the mountain. Craig Cardwell and his family have had most of the "southern knob" claimed since the 1950's, and there are other people with claims on other parts of Mt. Antero and also on neighboring Mt. White. Craig has always been very gracious to our club and has never denied us to dig on his claims, so I'm sure he will be gracious to others as long as they ask first. I think he has security up there now during the summer months (the only time of the year when the area is accessible and devoid of many feet of snow), so if they catch you digging when you don't have permission, you will be asked to leave. In the past, they have run into some dangerous people, so they might be carrying "protection", and I don't mean condoms. :-) Please don't dig without permission (on any claim... anywhere) because you could be ruining it for the rest of us. Let's try to keep as many digging locations open as possible. :-) There is contact info on their website at http://www.anterotreasures.com Regards, Bob Loeffler BobL@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Dealer Chairman and Webmaster Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of jabac Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:45 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Favorite rocks J. R. Hodel wrote: ... > > Number 3 would be a toss-up between a fluorite I found at a road-cut in central KY just south of Lexington and some smoky quartz from Mt Antero. The only thing worth picking up I found at Mt Antero on our trip out west some years ago. I wish I had the gumption to go there again, I've learned a lot about collecting since the last trip. It's a very small piece of matrix with little grey clear quartzs on it, a TN or Mini at most, but it's mine! > > The fluorite is pretty nice too, on the back of a piece of matrix that had some calcite crystals on the front. > > JR > > I don't know about others but I view my first trip to an area as exploration. Especially if I am alone and have no guide. I pick up a little bit of everything, hoping to find the "big one', of course, but generally to have something to study for my next trip. All the research and book-study pales besides having the array of samples in front of you to see how things really are; what is promising, what is leaverite, and what is country rock. Then when I go back (hopefully; so many places, so little time...) I can search with confidence that I really know what I am looking for; and it works! So get up the gumption, JR. Go back to Antero! Not many go even the first time because of the difficulties, and you will have all the advantages of experience and wisdom. Incidentally the North Jeffco Mineral Club (Denver) usually has a field trip to Mt Antero every year. They have an intro to claims there and always have fun. john _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Dec 1 06:32:41 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Dec 1 06:32:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero Message-ID: <120120051432.21702.438F098700040F9B000054C6216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Bob & List, Amusing, I just looked at the Cardwell's anterotreasures.com web page you gave, and was rather surprised to see that it's titled "Antero Gem Clay Products, ... the finest skin care nourishment & exfoliation system available today! We take our microgems, minerals & clays from the pristine Colorado peaks of Mount Antero and combine them with natures botanical's and essential oils to lavish your skin with the ultimate in mineral nourishment..." Well, you never know what minerals are being used for. I'm sure that all that ground up beryl, phenakite, and quartz, must have a remarkable effect on one's skin. I do miss the "old days" (I haven't been up on Mt. Antero in, gosh, most of a decade) when there were fewer claims on Mt. Antero, and those who did have them the (as the Cardwell's) rarely or never posted anything off limits, and one could just explore and dig pretty much wherever you wanted to. Sigh. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : -------------- > Hi all, > > I'm with the North Jeffco club that John mentioned, and yes, we do have at > least one trip to Mt. Antero (Colorado, USA) each year. Some years we have > had two or three trips. > > I just wanted to mention that if you plan on going up there, make sure you > aren't digging on one of the many claims on the mountain. Craig Cardwell > and his family have had most of the "southern knob" claimed since the > 1950's, and there are other people with claims on other parts of Mt. Antero > and also on neighboring Mt. White. Craig has always been very gracious to > our club and has never denied us to dig on his claims, so I'm sure he will > be gracious to others as long as they ask first. I think he has security up > there now during the summer months (the only time of the year when the area > is accessible and devoid of many feet of snow), so if they catch you digging > when you don't have permission, you will be asked to leave. In the past, > they have run into some dangerous people, so they might be carrying > "protection", and I don't mean condoms. :-) Please don't dig without > permission (on any claim... anywhere) because you could be ruining it for > the rest of us. Let's try to keep as many digging locations open as > possible. :-) > > > > There is contact info on their website at http://www.anterotreasures.com > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > BobL@peaktopeak.com > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > > Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > Denver Gem and Mineral Show > http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 06:34:36 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Dec 1 06:34:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack In-Reply-To: <20051130183419.58566.qmail@web60822.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051201143436.2275.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- tango juli wrote: > It was great timing this discussion on getting > mineral tack. I asked a few people this past summer > who told me Walmart should have it (under the poster > tack label). At the time, living in Indiana, I went > to Walmart in Greenwood, Bloomington and Bedford and > nada. I, too, was told that Walmart had it. I never checked for myself here in Northern Indiana, since I don't use much of it myself. I get quite a few specimens from European collectors that are mounted with a white or gray tack (the specimens, not the collectors). When I pull it off, I save it for later use. which will leave a > residue on white paper. I think it was Jim Daly who > warned about this possibility and test. Yes, that was me. > Anyway, I will now try Dave Shannon Try Colleen Shannon at David Shannon Minerals. DAve passed away over a year ago. Jim Daly __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 07:22:06 2005 From: mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com (Sandra B. Gee) Date: Thu Dec 1 07:22:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack In-Reply-To: <24BC8B6C-6204-11DA-BEFA-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20051201152206.88749.qmail@web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carol, I went to Jeanne's Rock Shop in Bellaire, TX and they sold me something called "Pet Proof Putty" which the shop staff said was Mineral Tack but labelled differently for marketing purposes. I did a search online and found this one website where it looks like you can purchase either Museum Wax, Museum Gel, or "The Museum Putty". See: https://www.trevco.net/museum3pack/products.html I bought a jar of the Museum Gel from a place in Houston, TX called The Container Store. My experience with this stuff is that you scoop a bit out of the jar, roll it into a tiny ball and use it to secure the specimen. However, what happened to me was that the stuff seemed to liquify and slide off of my acrylic block onto the shelf that my specimen was sitting on. I think if I had to do it over again, I would try to use it with an acrylic block that has the dimple depression in the middle of it. (My thought is that the depression would keep the stuff from oozing off of the block. I have purchased a jar of Museum Wax, but with the craziness of chasing after kid's after school activities and now the holidays, I have not had a chance to tend to labelling and displaying my recently acquired mineral specimens. Hmmm...looking at The Container Store website, it looks like you can buy the stuff there online. See: http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?CATID=234&PRODID=68647 and http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?CATID=234&PRODID=68646 Hope this helps. Sandra Gee. --- "Carol J. Bova" wrote: > Just found a reference that Quakehold and Museum > Putty are the same > thing.. just named differently for areas that don't > have quakes. > > There's also a Museum Wax and transparent Museum > Gel. > Google on museum wax and there's dozens of sites > with them. > > Anyone have any experience with the wax and gel > products? > Carol > > > Carol J. Bova > The Eclectic Lapidary > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2005, at 06:11 PM, Kreigh > Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Color-Wright no longer carries Mineral Tack. > > > > Kreigh > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 10:36:27 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Thu Dec 1 10:36:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] want to buy specimen boxes? Message-ID: <20051201183627.69961.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> I wanted to place an order for the fold-up min/fossil specimen boxes, but can't use a hundred of each size which is the minimum order. Anyone want to go halves on them with me? I am considering 5 sizes from the available sizes. Let me know offline at tangojuli@yahoo.com Tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 10:50:10 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Dec 1 10:50:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral tack etc Message-ID: <20051201185010.48786.qmail@web34603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all: Regarding mineral tack. Arizona Minerals (Color-wright, etc) used to have a page with mineral tack for sale. When I ordered a bunch of other display stuff (mini-boxes, etc) there was Elmers and Staples tack available locally, so I didn't order any tack from AZ Minerals. Well, after buying 3 or 4 packs of tack from Staples, the stuff is (Real!!) stiff and won't even stick to itself! Seriously, when I cut off a piece, like a strip of it, I can't even roll it into a ball and work it into a softer warm ball, when I stop rolling and twirling it, it unfolds back into a strip! So, be forewarned about non-mineral tack, it might not work for you! Tina, I'm with you, I don't want it in blue, or green. Or brown. White, pale gray, pale tan (barely) are acceptable colors, and I want it to be tacky! A web address of someone with a case of the stuff is what I want! JR in WV --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mstreman533 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 11:42:49 2005 From: mstreman533 at yahoo.com (Evie Johnson) Date: Thu Dec 1 11:42:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mikie's Krass Comeback was Mensa Rockhound Invitational In-Reply-To: <3d7201c5f51f$c191db40$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <20051201194249.53629.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mikie get off your "holier than thou high horse". First it was humor and all humor is based in some form of reality. Your letter itself is condesending and your message is lost in the "Yeah? Right!" file of "Get a Life You Nitwit" contributions. I don't give a rat's tail about your "friends" that aren't on this list and don't speak up for themselves--so why bring them up here? I like the "friends" here on the list that you disrespect. In fact I don't hear your Islamic friends speaking out at all about the fanatical violence they reek upon all mankind. While what you say is true as to the small number of actual fanatics--they don't need you to defend Islam when they have their own silent voices that they choose not to use. If they need defending then let them speak forthemselves. If humor offends you get over it. Here you just get a reprimand--Unlike much of Islam who's fundamentals include peace and the protection of innocents, you risk a death contract in speaking out humor. YOUR response is offensive in judging the motivations of peace loving, fun loving, warm-hearted people here. If those you extoll are so similar and such lovely people, go back and live amongst them. That is the essence of the problem-- if they would be offended by a joke of that nature--they can't be as peaceful and caring as you try to make them out to be. To leap from a one word joke to an inditement of true peace-loving people shows you have a chip on your shoulder you were just waiting to blast others with. That is conversational terroism-- What a schmidtkopf! Evie Back to lurking Michael Schmidt wrote:you know, not all shiite Muslims are terrorists..some of them are actually very nice people, such as a few friends of mine who would be more than a little offended by comments like that. It was crass. I really don't understand why it is that people in Western nations can't seem to get it through their heads that not all Muslims/Iraqis, Afghanis/Middle Easterners, whatever, are terrorists or fundamentalists. Spend some time there, and you will find that 99% plus of the people you find in Middle Eastern or African countries are the most sharing, giving people you could ever hope to meet....and that Lunatic fringe you see in the media DOES NOT represent the vast majority of these people. I have never been treated as well in North America or Europe as I have been in Muslim countries.....and unlike so many North Americans or Europeans I know, they aren't ignorant enough to believe that their government's foreign policy reflects the majority of the population's interests. Michael --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 1 13:16:58 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 1 13:16:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Mensa Rockhound Invitational now: internet-police In-Reply-To: <3d7201c5f51f$c191db40$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: Dear list and Michael, I don't intend to start a flame but since Michael seems to see himself as sort of "moral internet-police" I would like to know who appointed him to this task. Now, Michael, you wrote: >you know, not all shiite Muslims are terrorists.. Not all white, male Caucasians between 25 and 40 are serial killers. But most serial killers ARE white, male Caucasians between 25 and 40. Maybe this comparison reeks of political incorrectness? Well, frankly I don't care because it's true. I never heard of hordes of Hindu, Shinto's, Christian or Jew terrorists tying explosives round their waists and blowing themselves up in a crowd. There have been bombers in all beliefs, colors and convictions but only one kind seems to find it so fashionable that they do it in great numbers and are stupid enough to believe that they will be pampered by dozens of virgins in some fuzzy caricature of an afterlife after they blow themselves to little pieces. There is NOTHING romantic about living among fundamentalists unless you are one yourself (and preferably male, if you know what's good for you). >I really don't understand why it is that people in Western nations can't >seem to get it through their heads that not all Muslims/Iraqis, >Afghanis/Middle Easterners, whatever, are terrorists or fundamentalists. Now look who's generalizing? Not all people in Western Nations etc. .......??? Michael, when people want to have fun around the topic of minerals they should, within the confines of common decency, be able to do so WITHOUT having to weigh their words on a gold scale... Stop being such a party-pooper, for crying out loud! There, be good now! Axel From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Dec 1 11:38:40 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Dec 1 13:44:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks References: <20051201194249.53629.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c5f6ae$df4c7740$6400a8c0@mshome.net> TO ALL LIST MEMBERS, Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! This is a list about rockhounding. If you must continue this do it off list. John Siebel Admin Team From jimbob58 at pobox.mtaonline.net Thu Dec 1 15:09:56 2005 From: jimbob58 at pobox.mtaonline.net (Jim) Date: Thu Dec 1 15:07:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks References: <20051201194249.53629.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c5f6ae$df4c7740$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <001d01c5f6cc$5b4ab0b0$6501a8c0@JimP> Thank you, jimp ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS, > > Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! > > This is a list about rockhounding. If you must continue this do it off list. > > John Siebel > Admin Team > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From bobl at peaktopeak.com Thu Dec 1 21:09:05 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Dec 1 21:09:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero In-Reply-To: <120120051432.21702.438F098700040F9B000054C6216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <200512020509.jB25992U011817@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Pete, They started selling the Antero Mudd a year ago, I think. They have changed their website a couple times and used to have aquamarine gemstones available for purchase and services related to it, but it looks like they are doing more and more of the "nourishment and exfoliation" stuff now. I have no doubt that it will exfoliate the skin. I've done that by accident while digging and slamming my knuckles on the rocks up there. It removes layers upon layers of skin!!! :-) There are still plenty of places to dig up there (unclaimed) but they are much harder to reach because they are on the main part of the mountain and there aren't roads going to them. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:33 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero Hi Bob & List, Amusing, I just looked at the Cardwell's anterotreasures.com web page you gave, and was rather surprised to see that it's titled "Antero Gem Clay Products, ... the finest skin care nourishment & exfoliation system available today! We take our microgems, minerals & clays from the pristine Colorado peaks of Mount Antero and combine them with natures botanical's and essential oils to lavish your skin with the ultimate in mineral nourishment..." Well, you never know what minerals are being used for. I'm sure that all that ground up beryl, phenakite, and quartz, must have a remarkable effect on one's skin. I do miss the "old days" (I haven't been up on Mt. Antero in, gosh, most of a decade) when there were fewer claims on Mt. Antero, and those who did have them the (as the Cardwell's) rarely or never posted anything off limits, and one could just explore and dig pretty much wherever you wanted to. Sigh. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : -------------- > Hi all, > > I'm with the North Jeffco club that John mentioned, and yes, we do have at > least one trip to Mt. Antero (Colorado, USA) each year. Some years we have > had two or three trips. > > I just wanted to mention that if you plan on going up there, make sure you > aren't digging on one of the many claims on the mountain. Craig Cardwell > and his family have had most of the "southern knob" claimed since the > 1950's, and there are other people with claims on other parts of Mt. Antero > and also on neighboring Mt. White. Craig has always been very gracious to > our club and has never denied us to dig on his claims, so I'm sure he will > be gracious to others as long as they ask first. I think he has security up > there now during the summer months (the only time of the year when the area > is accessible and devoid of many feet of snow), so if they catch you digging > when you don't have permission, you will be asked to leave. In the past, > they have run into some dangerous people, so they might be carrying > "protection", and I don't mean condoms. :-) Please don't dig without > permission (on any claim... anywhere) because you could be ruining it for > the rest of us. Let's try to keep as many digging locations open as > possible. :-) > > > > There is contact info on their website at http://www.anterotreasures.com > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > BobL@peaktopeak.com > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > > Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > Denver Gem and Mineral Show > http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Dec 1 21:39:25 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Dec 1 21:39:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero Message-ID: <120220050539.12509.438FDE0A000D1121000030DD216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Bob, what they're doing with their minerals from Antero, reminds me of what been done in recent years at the Brown Derby pegmatite mine, in Gunnison Co. The people mining it (I think they are still active, but am not sure) have as you likely have seen, been polishing & selling most of their minerals they mine for the "new age" crystal trade, and I've also seen them selling jars of ground lepidolite etc., as a lithium-containing "bath salts" of supposed therapeutic value. I believe some regular specimens of lepidolite and tourmaline from there have still managed to make it to the mineral market, in unpolished (or un-ground) form. Of course, I'm sure that if the Cardwells find any good crytals, they keep them as such, and it's just the "pocket crumbs" that end up as skin care products. cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : -------------- > Hi Pete, > > They started selling the Antero Mudd a year ago, I think. They have changed > their website a couple times and used to have aquamarine gemstones available > for purchase and services related to it, but it looks like they are doing > more and more of the "nourishment and exfoliation" stuff now. I have no > doubt that it will exfoliate the skin. I've done that by accident while > digging and slamming my knuckles on the rocks up there. It removes layers > upon layers of skin!!! :-) > > There are still plenty of places to dig up there (unclaimed) but they are > much harder to reach because they are on the main part of the mountain and > there aren't roads going to them. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > pjmodreski@att.net > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:33 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero > > Hi Bob & List, > > Amusing, I just looked at the Cardwell's anterotreasures.com web page you > gave, and was rather surprised to see that it's titled > "Antero Gem Clay Products, ... the finest skin care nourishment & > exfoliation system available today! We take our microgems, minerals & clays > from the pristine Colorado peaks of Mount Antero and combine them with > natures botanical's and essential oils to lavish your skin with the ultimate > in mineral nourishment..." > > Well, you never know what minerals are being used for. I'm sure that all > that ground up beryl, phenakite, and quartz, must have a remarkable effect > on one's skin. > > I do miss the "old days" (I haven't been up on Mt. Antero in, gosh, most of > a decade) when there were fewer claims on Mt. Antero, and those who did have > them the (as the Cardwell's) rarely or never posted anything off limits, and > one could just explore and dig pretty much wherever you wanted to. Sigh. > > Pete Modreski > -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : > -------------- > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm with the North Jeffco club that John mentioned, and yes, we do have at > > > least one trip to Mt. Antero (Colorado, USA) each year. Some years we have > > > had two or three trips. > > > > I just wanted to mention that if you plan on going up there, make sure you > > > aren't digging on one of the many claims on the mountain. Craig Cardwell > > and his family have had most of the "southern knob" claimed since the > > 1950's, and there are other people with claims on other parts of Mt. > Antero > > and also on neighboring Mt. White. Craig has always been very gracious to > > our club and has never denied us to dig on his claims, so I'm sure he will > > > be gracious to others as long as they ask first. I think he has security > up > > there now during the summer months (the only time of the year when the > area > > is accessible and devoid of many feet of snow), so if they catch you > digging > > when you don't have permission, you will be asked to leave. In the past, > > they have run into some dangerous people, so they might be carrying > > "protection", and I don't mean condoms. :-) Please don't dig without > > permission (on any claim... anywhere) because you could be ruining it for > > the rest of us. Let's try to keep as many digging locations open as > > possible. :-) > > > > > > > > There is contact info on their website at http://www.anterotreasures.com > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Loeffler > > BobL@peaktopeak.com > > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > > > > Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > > Denver Gem and Mineral Show > > http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > > > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 2 06:09:33 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 2 06:09:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks In-Reply-To: <002001c5f6ae$df4c7740$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: With all due respect for you and what you're trying to do, john and Julie and all the other members of the admin team, but: >Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! NEITHER HAVE MORAL NAZIS. Moderating a discussion list implies explaining the word "moderate" to those who don't seem to know it. Last time I swore it WOULD be the last time that I would let Michael's attacks pass without reacting. I said what I felt I had to say and I stand by every word of it. Enough is enough. The first time I was somewhat intimidated by his lash-out (lemembel the Chinese?). I even thought (for just a minute now ;-) that I might have crossed the lines of what is seen as decent behavior across the Atlantic. I'll admit, I was the fool then. I do not care to participate in group discussions with a nitpicking self-righteous grump looking over my shoulder. Neither will you find me prepared to infinitely scrutinize every word I write to prevent any possible misunderstanding. Polite? Yes! Meek? Never. This may seem to you as a harsh viewpoint, so be it, but re-reading what I wrote I still find that I used quite a gentle tone. Next time I will reply without restraint. That's a promise. The last time I got mad I succeeded in melting a plate of asbestos just by sending it an angry fax. (Asbestos brings us on topic) Now, if you're going to allow Michael's unprovoked attacks, then at least grant us the right to reply. Nothing personal and I think you're all doing a great job, but as I said: enough is enough. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens John Siebel Verzonden: donderdag 1 december 2005 20:39 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks TO ALL LIST MEMBERS, Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! This is a list about rockhounding. If you must continue this do it off list. John Siebel Admin Team _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Dec 2 06:26:02 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Dec 2 06:30:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Politics and Personal Attacks References: Message-ID: <002901c5f74c$571e0ed0$12b4010a@warren> Axel: You'll notice that we contacted you OFF list. As we did MICHAEL and EVIE. > Now, if you're going to allow Michael's unprovoked attacks, then at least > grant us the right to reply. We don't allow unprovoked attacks, we contact people off list. Sometimes, however, people insist on carrying stuff like this ON list. This is your second warning. Julie Siebel List-Owner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks > With all due respect for you and what you're trying to do, john and Julie > and all the other members of the admin team, but: > >>Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! > > NEITHER HAVE MORAL NAZIS. > > Moderating a discussion list implies explaining the word "moderate" to > those > who don't seem to know it. > > Last time I swore it WOULD be the last time that I would let Michael's > attacks pass without reacting. > I said what I felt I had to say and I stand by every word of it. > Enough is enough. > The first time I was somewhat intimidated by his lash-out (lemembel the > Chinese?). I even thought (for just a minute now ;-) that I might have > crossed the lines of what is seen as decent behavior across the Atlantic. > I'll admit, I was the fool then. > I do not care to participate in group discussions with a nitpicking > self-righteous grump looking over my shoulder. Neither will you find me > prepared to infinitely scrutinize every word I write to prevent any > possible > misunderstanding. Polite? Yes! Meek? Never. > > This may seem to you as a harsh viewpoint, so be it, but re-reading what I > wrote I still find that I used quite a gentle tone. Next time I will reply > without restraint. That's a promise. The last time I got mad I succeeded > in > melting a plate of asbestos just by sending it an angry fax. (Asbestos > brings us on topic) > > Now, if you're going to allow Michael's unprovoked attacks, then at least > grant us the right to reply. > > Nothing personal and I think you're all doing a great job, but as I said: > enough is enough. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens John Siebel > Verzonden: donderdag 1 december 2005 20:39 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks > > > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS, > > Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! > > This is a list about rockhounding. If you must continue this do it off > list. > > John Siebel > Admin Team > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 2 06:49:42 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 2 06:49:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Politics and Personal Attacks In-Reply-To: <002901c5f74c$571e0ed0$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: It was nice knowing you. Goodbye Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Julie Siebel Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 15:26 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Politics and Personal Attacks Axel: You'll notice that we contacted you OFF list. As we did MICHAEL and EVIE. > Now, if you're going to allow Michael's unprovoked attacks, then at least > grant us the right to reply. We don't allow unprovoked attacks, we contact people off list. Sometimes, however, people insist on carrying stuff like this ON list. This is your second warning. Julie Siebel List-Owner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks > With all due respect for you and what you're trying to do, john and Julie > and all the other members of the admin team, but: > >>Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! > > NEITHER HAVE MORAL NAZIS. > > Moderating a discussion list implies explaining the word "moderate" to > those > who don't seem to know it. > > Last time I swore it WOULD be the last time that I would let Michael's > attacks pass without reacting. > I said what I felt I had to say and I stand by every word of it. > Enough is enough. > The first time I was somewhat intimidated by his lash-out (lemembel the > Chinese?). I even thought (for just a minute now ;-) that I might have > crossed the lines of what is seen as decent behavior across the Atlantic. > I'll admit, I was the fool then. > I do not care to participate in group discussions with a nitpicking > self-righteous grump looking over my shoulder. Neither will you find me > prepared to infinitely scrutinize every word I write to prevent any > possible > misunderstanding. Polite? Yes! Meek? Never. > > This may seem to you as a harsh viewpoint, so be it, but re-reading what I > wrote I still find that I used quite a gentle tone. Next time I will reply > without restraint. That's a promise. The last time I got mad I succeeded > in > melting a plate of asbestos just by sending it an angry fax. (Asbestos > brings us on topic) > > Now, if you're going to allow Michael's unprovoked attacks, then at least > grant us the right to reply. > > Nothing personal and I think you're all doing a great job, but as I said: > enough is enough. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens John Siebel > Verzonden: donderdag 1 december 2005 20:39 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks > > > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS, > > Politics and personal attacks have NO PLACE ON THIS LIST!!! > > This is a list about rockhounding. If you must continue this do it off > list. > > John Siebel > Admin Team > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Fri Dec 2 08:05:34 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Dec 2 08:05:04 2005 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] (ADMIN) Politics and Personal Attacks Message-ID: <45da01c5f75a$3a6b1220$6402a8c0@remains> Julie asked me not to post this, so I edited most of it out...and I don't think she will object to the remainder being posted. Julie, I know what you said about Mick, but I wanted to do this anyway. Michael >> Axel >> >> I said some of this to you privately, and I will say it to you publicly. >> >> Could I have phrased what I said to the original poster a little more >> diplomatically? yes, I could have, and perhaps it was a little long >> winded and preachy. >> >> So, whoever made the original shi-ite posting (Mick Cooper, was it??) , I >> offer you an apology for the words I chose to say what I said to you, and >> perhaps the tone. If any of you had personally seen the cruel, specific >> act of racism that I had seen perpetrated against a young Muslim girl >> about 20 minutes previous to that posting by Mr. Cooper, you might >> understand better the emotion behind what I posted, and why I was as >> scathing as I was. However, I know very well you shouldn't write letters >> when you are upset, so I should have put it in my drafts folder for a >> while before I sent it. >> Michael From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Dec 2 08:23:49 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Dec 2 08:28:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Axel and Michael References: <45da01c5f75a$3a6b1220$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <012b01c5f75c$cc02bab0$12b4010a@warren> Hey, everyone - I've been in contact with both Axel and Michael, and we are trying to work things out... Sorry for all the upset! Julie From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Dec 2 09:52:53 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Fri Dec 2 09:48:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack In-Reply-To: <008401c5f613$19699ad0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <24BC8B6C-6204-11DA-BEFA-000A95773806@mindspring.com> <008401c5f613$19699ad0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <439089F5.4040600@hal-pc.org> Alan Goldstein wrote: > I used museum wax when working as a curator at the local science > museum. The stuff is good for solid matrix specimens, but is not > suitable for soft matrix (i.e. goethite, shale, some sandstone, etc.). > It has to be softened by hand to become pliable to anchor a specimen > on a shelf or acrylic block. When it cools, it because very hard. > Unless you want to put the specimen next to a 60 watt bulb, in a sunny > window or next to a heater, the wax will be hard to remove without > taking some of the matrix in softer pieces. It also leaves a wax > residue on the shelf which has to be removed with elbow grease, a > razor blade or some combination. > > In short, museum wax is not a great holding material for some > geological specimens. However once attached to the specimen and smooth > surface, it will hold a specimen indefinitely. > > Alan Does that mean that lapidary wax can also be used for hard specimens? It sounds very much like the "museum wax". john From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Fri Dec 2 09:56:53 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Dec 2 09:56:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? Message-ID: <468c01c5f769$c7a763f0$6402a8c0@remains> This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Fri Dec 2 10:16:46 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Dec 2 10:19:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] earthquaka & lava Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051202081036.024be340@incoming.verizon.net> Hi all, If you check really soon at the following website, you'll see a neat picture of a "firehose" of lava going into the ocean as a result of a shelf collapse after an earthquake Tuesday night. You have to register to read the whole article, but the picture is there for all to see. If you miss it, contact me off-list and I'll send it---and the story too, if you like. http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/ Aloha, Kitty From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Dec 2 10:54:20 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Dec 2 10:54:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack References: <24BC8B6C-6204-11DA-BEFA-000A95773806@mindspring.com><008401c5f613$19699ad0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <439089F5.4040600@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <004501c5f771$ce4e4bd0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I am not familiar with "lapidary wax," perhaps someone else can say if it is the same thing as museum wax. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jabac" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack > Does that mean that lapidary wax can also be used for hard specimens? It > sounds very much like the "museum wax". > > > john From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Dec 2 11:21:28 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Dec 2 11:21:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack In-Reply-To: <004501c5f771$ce4e4bd0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <24BC8B6C-6204-11DA-BEFA-000A95773806@mindspring.com><008401c5f613$19699ad0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <439089F5.4040600@hal-pc.org> <004501c5f771$ce4e4bd0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <43909EB8.5040203@ptd.net> I suspect ( without my being the original poster of this term, but sympathetic to less than perfect wording) it is another term for dop wax, or the wax that is used to set a rough piece of slab material or preformed material to either a dop stick for cabbing or a jam peg or faceting peg for faceting. The wax is often held over a candle or alchohol lamp to liquiefy the wax and applied conjunctively to both the material and the stick Is is very similar if not identical to sealing wax used in days of old to seal an official document or letter. Alan Goldstein wrote: > I am not familiar with "lapidary wax," perhaps someone else can say if > it is the same thing as museum wax. > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jabac" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack > > >> Does that mean that lapidary wax can also be used for hard specimens? >> It sounds very much like the "museum wax". >> >> >> john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Dec 2 11:51:59 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Fri Dec 2 11:47:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack In-Reply-To: <43909EB8.5040203@ptd.net> References: <24BC8B6C-6204-11DA-BEFA-000A95773806@mindspring.com><008401c5f613$19699ad0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <439089F5.4040600@hal-pc.org> <004501c5f771$ce4e4bd0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <43909EB8.5040203@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4390A5DF.7030801@hal-pc.org> Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > I suspect ( without my being the original poster of this term, but > sympathetic to less than perfect wording) it is another term for dop > wax, or the wax that is used to set a rough piece of slab material or > preformed material to either a dop stick for cabbing or a jam peg or > faceting peg for faceting. The wax is often held over a candle or > alchohol lamp to liquiefy the wax and applied conjunctively to both > the material and the stick Is is very similar if not identical to > sealing wax used in days of old to seal an official document or letter. > > Alan Goldstein wrote: > >> I am not familiar with "lapidary wax," perhaps someone else can say >> if it is the same thing as museum wax. >> >> Alan > Exactly. It can be softened a bit with mineral spirits, which would of course eventually evaporate. Is museum wax the same? Or could it be mixed with something like, who knows? maybe even Play-Doh, to emulate a tack? I suspect that some or all of these tacks are silicone-based plastics of some kind and have varying amounts of silicone oil in them. john From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 2 11:58:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 2 11:58:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Axel and Michael In-Reply-To: <012b01c5f75c$cc02bab0$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: OK, guys. Every once in a while a guy needs to fight for what he believes and in general behave like an ass. Cute hm? There was some sub-surface pow-wow and exchange of ideas... Lots of cooling down too... Not unlike a Hawaiian lava flow ;-))) So, pardon me the hiccup and witness this: Hey Michael, let's e-shake hands... not too vigorously though... Father Damian (remember Molokai?) was voted "Greatest Belgian Ever" on National TV last night... We Belgians tend to fall apart when shaken to hard. Good, now put away those hankies and get back to business. Axel PS: Julie, you may post any of my writings that I wrote prior to this if you want to. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Julie Siebel Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 17:24 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Axel and Michael Hey, everyone - I've been in contact with both Axel and Michael, and we are trying to work things out... Sorry for all the upset! Julie _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Fri Dec 2 12:20:05 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Dec 2 12:19:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Axel and Michael References: Message-ID: <46d901c5f77d$c89cf770$6402a8c0@remains> shucks....ok. :-) I'll send you some salmon, you send me some waffles and chocolate Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Axel and Michael > OK, guys. > > Every once in a while a guy needs to fight for what he believes and in > general behave like an ass. > Cute hm? > There was some sub-surface pow-wow and exchange of ideas... Lots of > cooling > down too... Not unlike a Hawaiian lava flow ;-))) > So, pardon me the hiccup and witness this: > > Hey Michael, let's e-shake hands... not too vigorously though... Father > Damian (remember Molokai?) was voted "Greatest Belgian Ever" on National > TV > last night... We Belgians tend to fall apart when shaken to hard. > > Good, now put away those hankies and get back to business. > > Axel > > PS: Julie, you may post any of my writings that I wrote prior to this if > you > want to. > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Julie Siebel > Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 17:24 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Axel and Michael > > > Hey, everyone - I've been in contact with both Axel and Michael, and we > are > trying to work things out... > > Sorry for all the upset! > > Julie > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Dec 2 12:36:54 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Dec 2 12:38:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? References: <468c01c5f769$c7a763f0$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <002b01c5f780$22221260$6400a8c0@Junior> OMG now that is the funniest thing I have read in about a month. TOO COOL! If that's a hoax, it's amazingly well done. These guys will be getting millions from the nuts in Kansas. Thanks for passing that along, Michael. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Dec 2 13:14:57 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Dec 2 13:15:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? Message-ID: Snopes has nothing on this one so far... If only the rocks could talk..Hey! Isn't that what fossil nuts are trying to do? Understand the messages left for us by those who lived before? Many plants and animals survive from prehistoric times, but I am yet to see a pterosaur! And being a dog lover, look at all the descendants of wolves that have changes intentionally bred by picking natural genetic mutations! Wo unto the man who tries to prove God by science, for he lacks faith. Glenn From: Michael Schmidt <dmichaelschmidt@shaw.ca> Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Search, shop, and browse smarter using tabs with the MSN Search Toolbar-FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Dec 2 13:19:52 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Dec 2 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kilaeua Message-ID: ALOHA Kitty and all! Good pic in the news Kitty sent, and even more at this site she has posted several times! http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html MAHALO! Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ 3 FREE months of MSN Dial-up Internet service. Click for full details and to sign-up now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Anthony.Schlinsog at GEHA.com Fri Dec 2 13:53:22 2005 From: Anthony.Schlinsog at GEHA.com (Schlinsog, Anthony) Date: Fri Dec 2 13:52:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? Message-ID: <906953B87A7503449984D1190DEF90D705B4CE@gehamail02.GEHA.COM> HEY! I'M FROM KANSAS! I TAKE OFFENSE! :) Just kidding Axel! :) Anthony Schlinsog schlinsog@thetent.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jokela Jr. Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:37 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? OMG now that is the funniest thing I have read in about a month. TOO COOL! If that's a hoax, it's amazingly well done. These guys will be getting millions from the nuts in Kansas. Thanks for passing that along, Michael. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this email belongs to the sender which is confidential and may be legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > Snopes has nothing on this one so far... > > If only the rocks could talk..Hey! Isn't that what fossil nuts are trying > to do? Understand the messages left for us by those who lived before? > > Many plants and animals survive from prehistoric times, but I am yet to > see a pterosaur! > > And being a dog lover, look at all the descendants of wolves that have > changes intentionally bred by picking natural genetic mutations! > Wo unto the man who tries to prove God by science, for he lacks faith. > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > From: Michael Schmidt <dmichaelschmidt@shaw.ca> > Subject: > [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > > This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said > it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. > > If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. > > If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... > > > http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html > > > be afraid......be VERY afraid...... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > Search, shop, and browse smarter using tabs with the MSN Search > Toolbar-FREE! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:53:41 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Dec 2 15:53:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt St Helens & Saturn's moons Message-ID: One of Saturn's moons is blowing off some steam too. A strange event happening a long way from the sun. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20051128/enceladus_spa.html?source=rss Grant On 11/29/05, Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: > I must disagree with the statement about no steam plumes in the last nine > months, I can see the moutain from my office window near Troutdale Oregon, > and every once in a while when it's not raining you can see very clearly > that it still puffs every now and again. Two weeks ago we had beautiful > clear weather and looking out there was a white "dome" looking mound > sticking straight up out of the crater. It had been cloudy for weeks prior, > I joked to a coworker that the dome must have grown while we couldn't see > it! The local news said it was steam rising up from the crater! > > Dawn Fredricks > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Dec 2 16:17:18 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Dec 2 16:17:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack References: <24BC8B6C-6204-11DA-BEFA-000A95773806@mindspring.com><008401c5f613$19699ad0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <439089F5.4040600@hal-pc.org> <004501c5f771$ce4e4bd0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose><43909EB8.5040203@ptd.net> <4390A5DF.7030801@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <001301c5f79e$ec667c00$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Museum wax is essentially a block of paraffin. Ours was 12" x 8" and perhaps 2" thick. It was made for thin sheets folded over and over to become thicker. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jabac" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral Tack > Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > >> I suspect ( without my being the original poster of this term, but >> sympathetic to less than perfect wording) it is another term for dop wax, >> or the wax that is used to set a rough piece of slab material or >> preformed material to either a dop stick for cabbing or a jam peg or >> faceting peg for faceting. The wax is often held over a candle or >> alchohol lamp to liquiefy the wax and applied conjunctively to both the >> material and the stick Is is very similar if not identical to sealing wax >> used in days of old to seal an official document or letter. >> >> Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >>> I am not familiar with "lapidary wax," perhaps someone else can say if >>> it is the same thing as museum wax. >>> >>> Alan >> > Exactly. > > It can be softened a bit with mineral spirits, which would of course > eventually evaporate. Is museum wax the same? > > Or could it be mixed with something like, who knows? maybe even Play-Doh, > to emulate a tack? I suspect that some or all of these tacks are > silicone-based plastics of some kind and have varying amounts of silicone > oil in them. > > > john > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Dec 2 17:01:40 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 2 16:58:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? References: <468c01c5f769$c7a763f0$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <4390EDBC.5599@Tomaszewski.net> Michael Schmidt wrote: > > This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. > > If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. > > If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... > > http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html > > be afraid......be VERY afraid...... > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html MuseumOfHoaxes.com tends to think this is a satire website. There is no Fellowship University (FU?). The website is registered to concealed names ("concealed due to stalkers") but lists Gig Harbor as the city. Searching for 'objective ministries gig harbor' turned up a discussion thread on the website at http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/001762.html that pretty well exposes it has a hoax put on by Lyle Zapato, who has a second hoax website, landoverbaptist.org. Both websites have been around for about five years. You can find Lyle's own website at http://zapatopi.net. Enjoy! Kreigh From JScully216 at aol.com Fri Dec 2 20:15:50 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 2 20:16:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Govs Fear Sale of Public Lands for Mining Message-ID: Updated: 06:36 PM EST Govs Fear Sale of Public Lands for Mining By JENNIFER TALHELM, AP WASHINGTON (AP) - Six Western governors and a growing number of senators say they fear a plan in a budget bill allowing the sale of millions of acres of public lands could do permanent harm to their states. "It's got implications for hunters, sportsmen, people who use lands for grazing and basically anybody who uses public lands," said Angela de Rocha, a spokeswoman for Wayne Allard of Colorado, one of a handful of Western GOP senators who say they are concerned about the proposal. House lawmakers added the provision, which ends an 11-year congressional ban on new applications to buy public land for mining, to their budget bill on the Friday before Thanksgiving. Supporters say it would help struggling communities recover after mines close. But opponents argue it amounts to a fire sale on federal lands, including wilderness study areas and national parks. The Interior Department says the plan could affect up to 20 million acres, while environmentalists say it could allow the government to sell 350 million acres. Since the provision is not in the Senate's budget measure, lawmakers will hammer out a compromise later this month. Meanwhile, opposition is mounting from several Western Democratic senators and governors, a group representing Colorado counties, hunters and anglers, outdoor enthusiasts, environmentalists and the Aspen Skiing Co. All are pressuring Western Republican senators to kill the proposal. In a letter Friday to the Senate Budget Committee, the Democratic governors of Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington said the bill is based on "absurd economics" and threatens people's access to parks and other public lands. A few GOP senators, including Allard, have already indicated they have questions. Wyoming's Sen. Craig Thomas earlier this week called the bill a "Band-Aid fix to the Mining Act" that could become a "chronic injury to land use." The bill changes an 1872 law that allows private companies to "patent" - or purchase - public land at up to $5 an acre to mine minerals such as gold and silver. Congress has opposed new patents since 1994. House lawmakers now propose to lift the ban and raise the fee to $1,000 an acre, or "fair market value," whichever is more. Brian Kennedy, a spokesman for House Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo, R-Calif., said the bill is about "sustainable economic development for rural communities in need" and that Pombo would be open to negotiating some changes. 12/02/05 18:34 EST --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 3 08:36:04 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 3 08:36:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? Message-ID: <120320051636.17496.4391C973000AA1BC00004458215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Michael, thanks for steering us to that most amusing site (hard to tell what's real or not, these days!), and Kreigh, especially too, for checking out the info on whether it seems to be a joke or real. BTW, on that web site of Zapato's, and this may be of much interest and concern to one of our regular Rockhounds posters especially, one of his sidebar topics (some of you may have already noticed this) is, "Belgium Doesn't Exist! Land of sprouts and chocolates, I think not" Are you sure you're still there, Axel? Pete -------------- Original message from Kreigh Tomaszewski : -------------- > Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > > This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is > a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. > > > > If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. > > > > If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... > > > > http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html > > > > be afraid......be VERY afraid...... > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > MuseumOfHoaxes.com tends to think this is a satire website. There is no > Fellowship University (FU?). The website is registered to concealed > names ("concealed due to stalkers") but lists Gig Harbor as the city. > Searching for 'objective ministries gig harbor' turned up a discussion > thread on the website at http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/001762.html > that pretty well exposes it has a hoax put on by Lyle Zapato, who has a > second hoax website, landoverbaptist.org. Both websites have been around > for about five years. You can find Lyle's own website at > http://zapatopi.net. Enjoy! > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 3 09:53:28 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 3 09:53:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <002b01c5f780$22221260$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: Michael, This is indeed top notch ;-))) The real great part is that exactly those people who fight any use of cloning technology are proposing to clone dinosaurs... Hilarious! I hope President Bush funds them BIG TIME. Sience can learn so much from a living specimen.... Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Tim Jokela Jr. Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 21:37 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? OMG now that is the funniest thing I have read in about a month. TOO COOL! If that's a hoax, it's amazingly well done. These guys will be getting millions from the nuts in Kansas. Thanks for passing that along, Michael. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 09:55:39 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Dec 3 09:55:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] chinese minerals In-Reply-To: <200512030226.jB32QWss011400@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> I recently purchased some chinese flourite octahedrons (light green) and some stunning chinese barite. The vendor had breathtaking fluorite specimens and cinnabar xls on white matrix and scheelite xls that brought me to tears. I wasn't sure about the pricing as I have not collected these in the past, but was so drawn to this material that I stayed and examined stuff for a good 25 minutes. Late to the game on the Chinese material I guess, I am wondering if there are any web links to the chinese minerals. I searched for about 45 minutes recently and didn't find anything helpful except individual's websites selling the chinese mins. I am interested in learning more about the mining provinces, what they are extracting, what the depth of the materials are, and pricing. As Tucson approaches, I'd like to know more before I buy. Suggestions anyone? Thanks! tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 3 09:56:40 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 3 09:56:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <002b01c5f780$22221260$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: BTW, I heard that theobiologists will attempt to revive the cookie-monster from the Andy Williams shows that were on TV in the ... was it late sixties? Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Tim Jokela Jr. Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 21:37 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? OMG now that is the funniest thing I have read in about a month. TOO COOL! If that's a hoax, it's amazingly well done. These guys will be getting millions from the nuts in Kansas. Thanks for passing that along, Michael. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 3 09:58:25 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 3 09:58:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Many plants and animals survive from prehistoric times, but I am yet to see a pterosaur! Have you ever looked at a pelican from closeby? Axel From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 09:59:37 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Dec 3 09:59:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] richmond virginia In-Reply-To: <200512030226.jB32QWss011400@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051203175937.38154.qmail@web60817.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings list: Can anyone tell me what is the mineral collecting like in a 100 mile radius or beyond of Richmond Virginia? Thanks, Tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 3 10:02:08 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 3 10:02:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <906953B87A7503449984D1190DEF90D705B4CE@gehamail02.GEHA.COM> Message-ID: Hm, if you hurry and change your name to go live anonymoulsy and in shame in the Kalahari desert you stand a small chance of escaping the wrath of the administrators... While you're there: it's a mineralogically interesting place. Enjoy ;-))))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Schlinsog, Anthony Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 22:53 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? HEY! I'M FROM KANSAS! I TAKE OFFENSE! :) Just kidding Axel! :) Anthony Schlinsog schlinsog@thetent.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jokela Jr. Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:37 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? OMG now that is the funniest thing I have read in about a month. TOO COOL! If that's a hoax, it's amazingly well done. These guys will be getting millions from the nuts in Kansas. Thanks for passing that along, Michael. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html be afraid......be VERY afraid...... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this email belongs to the sender which is confidential and may be legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete and destroy all copies of the original email and its attachments, and notify the sender. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Sat Dec 3 10:23:25 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Dec 3 10:23:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: OreRockOn Rock Dig Locations CD V 3.0 Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051203094024.03a78f60@orerockon.com> I have finally got progress on my CD to where I am comfortable taking orders for the Christmas season. I had originally planned to knock out over 100 new 1:100,000 BLM maps showing land ownership of each dig on the CD by Thanksgiving. Well, as you know, life gets in the way, so I am now taking pre-orders for the new version which I am guaranteeing will ship in time for Christmas (even if I have to ship them Priority Mail and eat the cost lol). So for those of you who have the CD, the usual upgrade pricing is in effect (1/2 price). For those of you who don't, I encourage you to visit the CD link below and find out what you have been missing! New to version 3.0 are over 105 1:100,000 scale color relief 3D shaded BLM maps showing an overview of each collecting area and land ownership for each waypoint, and a new interface where you click the map outline to go to a small version of the 100k map from which you click the outline of the 1:24k map you are interested in viewing, view thew site writeups, or view the full scale 1:100,000 scale map. After a few more days of HTML coding, it will actually work pretty darn smoothly! Also, 18 new or updated 1:24k scale maps (most in Idaho). Now to generate those 105 new maps...anyway, the CD contains: Full writeups of the best 26 sites in Oregon and 5 sites in Washington (sorry Idaho but there ain't nothing worth writing up over there!) Over 303 1:24,000 scale 3D color relief shaded USGS topos of places to dig rocks or explore for lapidary material in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, northern CA, and northern NV. A waypoint file for your GPS with over 790 waypoints including camping areas and obscure turns (yes I GPS turns that I miss!) A table of land owner info for each waypoint. To check out lots of examples of what is on the CD, and to pre-order version 3.0, please visit: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of OR, WA, & ID rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD From cjkuo at verizon.net Sat Dec 3 10:53:42 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Sat Dec 3 10:53:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> >As Tucson approaches, Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to Karchners.) Jimmy From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 3 11:21:56 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 3 11:21:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <120320051636.17496.4391C973000AA1BC00004458215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: >"Belgium Doesn't Exist! >Land of sprouts and chocolates, I think not" >Are you sure you're still there, Axel? Pete, you have me in doubt ;-))) Alas, the Brussels sprouts are all too real!!! Yukk... I'm here, squeezed between Holland and France witch Germany pushing in the east. Axel -------------- Original message from Kreigh Tomaszewski : -------------- > Michael Schmidt wrote: > > > > This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said it is > a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. > > > > If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. > > > > If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... > > > > http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html > > > > be afraid......be VERY afraid...... > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > MuseumOfHoaxes.com tends to think this is a satire website. There is no > Fellowship University (FU?). The website is registered to concealed > names ("concealed due to stalkers") but lists Gig Harbor as the city. > Searching for 'objective ministries gig harbor' turned up a discussion > thread on the website at http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/001762.html > that pretty well exposes it has a hoax put on by Lyle Zapato, who has a > second hoax website, landoverbaptist.org. Both websites have been around > for about five years. You can find Lyle's own website at > http://zapatopi.net. Enjoy! > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Dec 3 11:23:48 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Dec 3 11:23:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> there's that Biodome thing...there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? Nogales, Mexico...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Kuo" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > >As Tucson approaches, > > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to > Karchners.) > > Jimmy > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Dec 3 11:25:56 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Dec 3 11:25:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: <487701c5f83f$62b7fbe0$6402a8c0@remains> if you do go to that Biodome thing...run like hell if you see Pauly Shore...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Kuo" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > >As Tucson approaches, > > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to > Karchners.) > > Jimmy > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Dec 3 11:32:04 2005 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Dec 3 11:31:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals In-Reply-To: <487701c5f83f$62b7fbe0$6402a8c0@remains> References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <487701c5f83f$62b7fbe0$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <4391F2B4.2040103@verizon.net> Michael Schmidt wrote: > if you do go to that Biodome thing...run like hell if you see Pauly > Shore...... Huh? But anyway, yes! The Biosphere is a wonderful tour. Sometimes there are locals along the road outside, selling rocks from trunks or trailers or whatever. Have fun, Don From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Dec 3 11:37:57 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Dec 3 11:37:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <487701c5f83f$62b7fbe0$6402a8c0@remains> <4391F2B4.2040103@verizon.net> Message-ID: <489401c5f841$13597680$6402a8c0@remains> Pauly Shore (if you're not familiar with his work, thank God you've been spared) once starred in a film called "biodome", which was actually filmed there, I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > Michael Schmidt wrote: > >> if you do go to that Biodome thing...run like hell if you see Pauly >> Shore...... > > Huh? But anyway, yes! The Biosphere is a wonderful tour. Sometimes > there are locals along the road outside, selling rocks from trunks or > trailers or whatever. > > Have fun, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Dec 3 11:58:55 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Dec 3 11:58:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? References: Message-ID: <489b01c5f843$fe078490$6402a8c0@remains> you think the prospect of cloning dinosaurs is hilarious, due obviously to the sheer nonsense of it? This is a direct quote from David Gillette, the guy who descibed the Jurassic sauropod Seismosaurus. He is describing work he has done on thin sections of seismosaurus bone, describing how it is as fresh looking (even under the microscope) as modern bone. Read on: "The result of all that research was that we've demonstrated that the bone you see under a microscope-not the pore spaces that are filled with minerals from groundwater, but the rest- is original bone. It contains at least a fraction of original organic material. We've isolated proteins from Seismosaurus, so there is a prospect of being able to assemble the amino acids into a sequence and determine genetic information. It may even be possible to isolate large sections of genetic code, so we could generate tissues, or even clone dinosaurs. I don't think that's unreasonable......" etc. now, obviously, he's not a geneticist, but it is very interesting nonetheless. The completely ridiculous thing about Jurassic park was not what they were doing as far as cloning dinosaurs, but that they were cloning them using the insects that they were. Essentially, a mosquito from the Dominican republic, living about 15-20 million years ago, flies back in time 45-50+ millikn years, remember he is flying to North America, Morocco, Mongolia ( locations from all the films where these dinos would have been living at the time), biting some animal, and then flying back though time to the Miocene and getting encased by resin......now, one could argue that they only made half the time travel trip...that they were in fact cretacous insects, and they simply flew all over the planet biting big animals, and they either travelled forward in time all of those millions of years, or they lived a VERY long life before making it back to the Dominican republic and becoming stuck in the tree resin. Of course, this doesn't even begin to explain the Jurassic aged dinosaurs in the films...... the point is, the cloning science may not be as "science fictiony" as many believe it is..... Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > Michael, > > This is indeed top notch ;-))) > > The real great part is that exactly those people who fight any use of > cloning technology are proposing to clone dinosaurs... Hilarious! > > I hope President Bush funds them BIG TIME. Sience can learn so much from a > living specimen.... > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Tim Jokela Jr. > Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 21:37 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > > > OMG now that is the funniest thing I have read in about a month. > > TOO COOL! > > If that's a hoax, it's amazingly well done. These guys will be getting > millions from the nuts in Kansas. > > Thanks for passing that along, Michael. > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:56 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > > > This was posted to another list I am on.....a couple of people have said > it > is a hoax, while most others have said it is legit. > > If it is a hoax, it's good for a laugh. > > If it isn't, and the website is real, it's GREAT for a laugh..... > > http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html > > be afraid......be VERY afraid...... > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jabac at hal-pc.org Sat Dec 3 14:26:03 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Sat Dec 3 14:21:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] chinese minerals In-Reply-To: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org> tango juli wrote: >I recently purchased some chinese flourite octahedrons (light green) and some stunning chinese barite. The vendor had breathtaking fluorite specimens and cinnabar xls on white matrix and scheelite xls that brought me to tears. I wasn't sure about the pricing as I have not collected these in the past, but was so drawn to this material that I stayed and examined stuff for a good 25 minutes. > Late to the game on the Chinese material I guess, I am wondering if there are any web links to the chinese minerals. I searched for about 45 minutes recently and didn't find anything helpful except individual's websites selling the chinese mins. I am interested in learning more about the mining provinces, what they are extracting, what the depth of the materials are, and pricing. As Tucson approaches, I'd like to know more before I buy. Suggestions anyone? > Thanks! > tina > > > Rocks & Minerals Magazine, vol 80, No. 1 (Jan/Feb 2005) has a whole issue devoted to the minerals of China. There are also some articles in the Mar/Apr 2005 issue of the same magazine on China. john From cjkuo at verizon.net Sat Dec 3 14:24:26 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Sat Dec 3 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> > there's that Biodome thing... Done that. >there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town Phoenix? AMMM ? Done that, *many times*. Wonderful place. > does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? Yes it does. :-) Done that. > Nogales, Mexico...... Unfortunately, rental cars aren't allowed out of the country. Thanks. :-) Jimmy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Kuo" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > > > > >As Tucson approaches, > > > > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to > > Karchners.) > > > > Jimmy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 14:42:12 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 3 14:42:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals In-Reply-To: <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: Well I would never take a car across the border to Mexico. People are vanishing down there, and if not that you might get a too close a look at the Mexican 'justice' system. You drive down to the border, leave your car on the US side, and walk across into Nogales. The shopping area in Nogales is just across the border. BK On 12/3/05, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > > > there's that Biodome thing... > > Done that. > > >there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town > > Phoenix? AMMM ? Done that, *many times*. Wonderful place. > > > does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? > > Yes it does. :-) Done that. > > > Nogales, Mexico...... > > Unfortunately, rental cars aren't allowed out of the country. > > Thanks. :-) > > Jimmy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jimmy Kuo" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > > > > > > > >As Tucson approaches, > > > > > > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been > to > > > Karchners.) > > > > > > Jimmy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Dec 3 14:46:07 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Dec 3 14:45:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: <490a01c5f85b$59a16930$6402a8c0@remains> then there's always Pic de Gallo...the best Horchata you'll ever drink!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Kuo" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals >> there's that Biodome thing... > > Done that. > >>there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town > > Phoenix? AMMM ? Done that, *many times*. Wonderful place. > >> does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? > > Yes it does. :-) Done that. > >> Nogales, Mexico...... > > Unfortunately, rental cars aren't allowed out of the country. > > Thanks. :-) > > Jimmy > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jimmy Kuo" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals >> >> >> > >As Tucson approaches, >> > >> > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to >> > Karchners.) >> > >> > Jimmy >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Sat Dec 3 16:54:12 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sat Dec 3 16:54:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] richmond virginia In-Reply-To: <20051203175937.38154.qmail@web60817.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c5f86d$291fc9c0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Tina: That is a mighty large request... Do you have a time frame in mind? Or perhaps a particular type of mineral you'd like to collect? Richmond is close to pegmatites, metamorphic deposits, Sulfide deposits (iron, lead, gold, copper), alluvial deposits and so on... A micro mineral collectors dream close to Richmond would be the Morefield mine near Amelia. http://www.mindat.org/loc.php?loc=4200&ob=4 The mine is also good for larger mica and amazonite samples with an occasional tantalum. http://www.toteshows.com/morefield.html Unfortunately, the Morefield is closed for the winter. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:00 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] richmond virginia Greetings list: Can anyone tell me what is the mineral collecting like in a 100 mile radius or beyond of Richmond Virginia? Thanks, Tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From cjkuo at verizon.net Sat Dec 3 17:00:52 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Sat Dec 3 17:01:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <490a01c5f85b$59a16930$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <013401c5f86e$2d0042d0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Now, THAT is something I'll have to check out. It's amazing when I go to a Mexican restaurant and ask for horchata and the waiter doesn't even know what it is. But how about rockhounding stuff? I was expecting at least someone mentioning the Asarco mines tour (which I've already done also) a few miles from the airport. Is there nothing I could do in the rockhounding arena? I've wandered a little bit into the Coronado National Forest (not more than a mile along the trail) along the north of the city and looked at the pegmatites. There are plenty of tiny little garnets and not much else (or am I mistaken?). Also, along the way to Karchners Cavern, just looking at the random rocks at a McDonalds, I picked up some azurite/malachite chips. So, anything related to rocks to look into? Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > then there's always Pic de Gallo...the best Horchata you'll ever drink!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Kuo" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > > > >> there's that Biodome thing... > > > > Done that. > > > >>there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town > > > > Phoenix? AMMM ? Done that, *many times*. Wonderful place. > > > >> does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? > > > > Yes it does. :-) Done that. > > > >> Nogales, Mexico...... > > > > Unfortunately, rental cars aren't allowed out of the country. > > > > Thanks. :-) > > > > Jimmy > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jimmy Kuo" > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM > >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > >> > >> > >> > >As Tucson approaches, > >> > > >> > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to > >> > Karchners.) > >> > > >> > Jimmy > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> > Subscription Services: > >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Sat Dec 3 17:01:24 2005 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn Weinberger) Date: Sat Dec 3 17:03:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals In-Reply-To: <4391F2B4.2040103@verizon.net> References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <487701c5f83f$62b7fbe0$6402a8c0@remains> <4391F2B4.2040103@verizon.net> Message-ID: All, I think Biosphere is closed and up for sale. C On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:32 PM, DonH wrote: > Michael Schmidt wrote: > >> if you do go to that Biodome thing...run like hell if you see >> Pauly Shore...... > > Huh? But anyway, yes! The Biosphere is a wonderful tour. > Sometimes there are locals along the road outside, selling rocks > from trunks or trailers or whatever. > > Have fun, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sat Dec 3 17:06:01 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sat Dec 3 17:03:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals In-Reply-To: <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: <439240F9.4020305@tenforward.com> Hi Jimmy, I'll be in Tucson, in room #186 at the Inn Suites. A few years back, my wife and I took a day 100% off minerals and headed for the... http://www.amerind.org/ I enjoyed my visit there as did she. Some of the art was absolutely fantastic and it "felt" neat to be in such a wild, beautiful looking area. We took a lunch which we ate picnic-style on the grounds and watched the snow fall amongst the boulders and cactus. It's just an idea and it worked for us, no guarantee, but if you do go, have a safe, fun trip. And P.S., if ya get the time, stop by and say hello ( and everyone else too!!!! ) ! All the very best, John Jimmy Kuo wrote: >>there's that Biodome thing... >> >> > >Done that. > > > >>there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town >> >> > >Phoenix? AMMM ? Done that, *many times*. Wonderful place. > > > >>does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? >> >> > >Yes it does. :-) Done that. > > > >>Nogales, Mexico...... >> >> > >Unfortunately, rental cars aren't allowed out of the country. > >Thanks. :-) > >Jimmy > > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jimmy Kuo" >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals >> >> >> >> >>>>As Tucson approaches, >>>> >>>> >>>Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been to >>>Karchners.) >>> >>>Jimmy >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sat Dec 3 17:59:37 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat Dec 3 17:59:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero In-Reply-To: <120220050539.12509.438FDE0A000D1121000030DD216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <200512040159.jB41xeQB004212@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hey Pete, I hadn't heard about the Brown Derby and didn't know anyone was still working it. That's good to know. Yeah, I'm sure the Cardwells are selling the good crystals and facetting the broken crystals. Let's all pray that they aren't grinding up the good stuff to make the skin care stuff. :-) Earlier this year I heard that Brian Lees (of Collector's Edge and the Sweet Home Mine rhodochrosite fame) is leasing some of the claims from the Cardwells to do some digging for aquas. So that might limit all of us up there a little more. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:39 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero Bob, what they're doing with their minerals from Antero, reminds me of what been done in recent years at the Brown Derby pegmatite mine, in Gunnison Co. The people mining it (I think they are still active, but am not sure) have as you likely have seen, been polishing & selling most of their minerals they mine for the "new age" crystal trade, and I've also seen them selling jars of ground lepidolite etc., as a lithium-containing "bath salts" of supposed therapeutic value. I believe some regular specimens of lepidolite and tourmaline from there have still managed to make it to the mineral market, in unpolished (or un-ground) form. Of course, I'm sure that if the Cardwells find any good crytals, they keep them as such, and it's just the "pocket crumbs" that end up as skin care products. cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : -------------- > Hi Pete, > > They started selling the Antero Mudd a year ago, I think. They have changed > their website a couple times and used to have aquamarine gemstones available > for purchase and services related to it, but it looks like they are doing > more and more of the "nourishment and exfoliation" stuff now. I have no > doubt that it will exfoliate the skin. I've done that by accident while > digging and slamming my knuckles on the rocks up there. It removes layers > upon layers of skin!!! :-) > > There are still plenty of places to dig up there (unclaimed) but they are > much harder to reach because they are on the main part of the mountain and > there aren't roads going to them. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > pjmodreski@att.net > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:33 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mt. Antero > > Hi Bob & List, > > Amusing, I just looked at the Cardwell's anterotreasures.com web page you > gave, and was rather surprised to see that it's titled > "Antero Gem Clay Products, ... the finest skin care nourishment & > exfoliation system available today! We take our microgems, minerals & clays > from the pristine Colorado peaks of Mount Antero and combine them with > natures botanical's and essential oils to lavish your skin with the ultimate > in mineral nourishment..." > > Well, you never know what minerals are being used for. I'm sure that all > that ground up beryl, phenakite, and quartz, must have a remarkable effect > on one's skin. > > I do miss the "old days" (I haven't been up on Mt. Antero in, gosh, most of > a decade) when there were fewer claims on Mt. Antero, and those who did have > them the (as the Cardwell's) rarely or never posted anything off limits, and > one could just explore and dig pretty much wherever you wanted to. Sigh. > > Pete Modreski > -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : > -------------- > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm with the North Jeffco club that John mentioned, and yes, we do have at > > > least one trip to Mt. Antero (Colorado, USA) each year. Some years we have > > > had two or three trips. > > > > I just wanted to mention that if you plan on going up there, make sure you > > > aren't digging on one of the many claims on the mountain. Craig Cardwell > > and his family have had most of the "southern knob" claimed since the > > 1950's, and there are other people with claims on other parts of Mt. > Antero > > and also on neighboring Mt. White. Craig has always been very gracious to > > our club and has never denied us to dig on his claims, so I'm sure he will > > > be gracious to others as long as they ask first. I think he has security > up > > there now during the summer months (the only time of the year when the > area > > is accessible and devoid of many feet of snow), so if they catch you > digging > > when you don't have permission, you will be asked to leave. In the past, > > they have run into some dangerous people, so they might be carrying > > "protection", and I don't mean condoms. :-) Please don't dig without > > permission (on any claim... anywhere) because you could be ruining it for > > the rest of us. Let's try to keep as many digging locations open as > > possible. :-) > > > > > > > > There is contact info on their website at http://www.anterotreasures.com > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Loeffler > > BobL@peaktopeak.com > > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > > > > Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > > Denver Gem and Mineral Show > > http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > > > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Dec 3 18:05:24 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Dec 3 18:05:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <00f801c5f83a$e1d7b910$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <485d01c5f83f$1681a370$6402a8c0@remains> <010b01c5f858$520a3ba0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> <490a01c5f85b$59a16930$6402a8c0@remains> <013401c5f86e$2d0042d0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: <495a01c5f877$3957cfe0$6402a8c0@remains> should have been Pico de Gallo....UNBELIVABLE horchata....and DIRT cheap....in kind of a bad part of town, but food is great and cheap. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Kuo" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > Now, THAT is something I'll have to check out. It's amazing when I go to > a > Mexican restaurant and ask for horchata and the waiter doesn't even know > what it is. > > But how about rockhounding stuff? I was expecting at least someone > mentioning the Asarco mines tour (which I've already done also) a few > miles > from the airport. > > Is there nothing I could do in the rockhounding arena? I've wandered a > little bit into the Coronado National Forest (not more than a mile along > the > trail) along the north of the city and looked at the pegmatites. There > are > plenty of tiny little garnets and not much else (or am I mistaken?). > > Also, along the way to Karchners Cavern, just looking at the random rocks > at > a McDonalds, I picked up some azurite/malachite chips. > > So, anything related to rocks to look into? > > Jimmy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals > > >> then there's always Pic de Gallo...the best Horchata you'll ever drink!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jimmy Kuo" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals >> >> >> >> there's that Biodome thing... >> > >> > Done that. >> > >> >>there is a mining museum somewhere just outside of town >> > >> > Phoenix? AMMM ? Done that, *many times*. Wonderful place. >> > >> >> does the "airplane graveyard" give tours? >> > >> > Yes it does. :-) Done that. >> > >> >> Nogales, Mexico...... >> > >> > Unfortunately, rental cars aren't allowed out of the country. >> > >> > Thanks. :-) >> > >> > Jimmy >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Jimmy Kuo" >> >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:53 AM >> >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, was: chinese minerals >> >> >> >> >> >> > >As Tucson approaches, >> >> > >> >> > Going to Tucson with a free day on Tuesday. Any suggestions? (Been > to >> >> > Karchners.) >> >> > >> >> > Jimmy >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> >> > Subscription Services: >> >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> >> Subscription Services: >> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:04:41 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 3 19:04:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yup, the things are all over the place near the water here... Never saw one for lots of years due to DDT... Now they are near the level of pests. Glenn Many plants and animals survive from prehistoric times, but I am yet to see a pterosaur! Have you ever looked at a pelican from closeby? Axel ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 place, including PC security! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Paintricks at aol.com Sat Dec 3 19:16:07 2005 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 3 19:16:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turquoise tile pieces needed Message-ID: <1ab.44c0855b.30c3b977@aol.com> My sister does work for her gallery and needs pieces of Turquoise. She prefers tile like pieces. Broken iregular ones are good too. Anyone have this please contact Karen Musgraves at mprints@cox.net. Thanks, Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pchil at botsnet.bw Sun Dec 4 00:11:57 2005 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Sun Dec 4 00:22:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? References: Message-ID: <004601c5f8ab$64b66be0$7948a7a8@hulley> I AM living in the middle of the Kalahari desert, (sometimes anonymously, but not in shame) and there is very little here other than sand and diamonds, mineralogically speaking, and the wrath of the administrators DOES reach here! Hildagarde Hulley Sitting in front of my computer on the southern edge of the Makgadikgadi Pans, central Botswana! ----- Original Message ----- From: Axel Emmermann To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > Hm, if you hurry and change your name to go live anonymoulsy and in shame in > the Kalahari desert you stand a small chance of escaping the wrath of the > administrators... While you're there: it's a mineralogically interesting > place. Enjoy ;-))))) > > Axel > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 00:23:38 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Dec 4 00:23:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] virginia collecting In-Reply-To: <200512040204.jB424uQI007278@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051204082338.97485.qmail@web60822.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the reply on this Ted. Pegs are attractive for sure. I asked because I'm partly considering a position out there, and the collecting & geology is a major consideration. Where I'm at now, I can drive 15-20 minutes and get to 3 localities and endless unexplored mountains. I can drive a little more and get to dozens of other localities. Thanks for the response. Best, Tina Message: 21 Date: 03 Dec 2005 16:54:12 -0800 From: "Ted Kowalski" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] richmond virginia To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <001801c5f86d$291fc9c0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Tina: That is a mighty large request... Do you have a time frame in mind? Or perhaps a particular type of mineral you'd like to collect? Richmond is close to pegmatites, metamorphic deposits, Sulfide deposits (iron, lead, gold, copper), alluvial deposits and so on... A micro mineral collectors dream close to Richmond would be the Morefield mine near Amelia. http://www.mindat.org/loc.php?loc=4200&ob=4 The mine is also good for larger mica and amazonite samples with an occasional tantalum. http://www.toteshows.com/morefield.html Unfortunately, the Morefield is closed for the winter. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 00:33:51 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Dec 4 00:34:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Found: Mineral Tack In-Reply-To: <200512030226.jB32QWss011400@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051204083351.17027.qmail@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Well, after the post exchange in the past week, someone's reference to the product (Kitty?), led me to something that fits the bill. The company that makes QUAKE Secure packages the product also under "amazing stuff" targeted to teachers etc. Cost was $4.99 each or 3.99 if you buy 3 (18.00 w/ shipping and tax). The sell in bulk as well. The amount of material appears to be the same as you'd get from the poster tack packages. It is white and has the same consistency as the mineral tack I've gotten from purchases specimens. website is www.gotputty.com. Thanks all, Tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sat Dec 3 21:26:42 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Dec 4 00:43:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c5f8ae$ce4f0410$403e27c4@privatehome> Hi Tina, Obtain the February 2005 issue of "THE MINERALOGICAL RECORD" (Vol. 36 No. 1). This whole issue is devoted to China. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] chinese minerals >I recently purchased some chinese flourite octahedrons (light green) and >some stunning chinese barite. The vendor had breathtaking fluorite >specimens and cinnabar xls on white matrix and scheelite xls that brought >me to tears. I wasn't sure about the pricing as I have not collected these >in the past, but was so drawn to this material that I stayed and examined >stuff for a good 25 minutes. > Late to the game on the Chinese material I guess, I am wondering if there > are any web links to the chinese minerals. I searched for about 45 minutes > recently and didn't find anything helpful except individual's websites > selling the chinese mins. I am interested in learning more about the > mining provinces, what they are extracting, what the depth of the > materials are, and pricing. As Tucson approaches, I'd like to know more > before I buy. Suggestions anyone? > Thanks! > tina > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From earlrock at nctv.com Sun Dec 4 05:02:42 2005 From: earlrock at nctv.com (Earl) Date: Sun Dec 4 05:02:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Fifth Annual Micromounters Winter Gathering Message-ID: <001a01c5f8d3$057c5770$6401a8c0@earlbasement> Time is getting close for this fun and educational gathering of micromounters. Feb. 24th and 25th, at the Advent Christian Village in Dowling park, Florida. Lodging at the village is limited, so if you are planning to attend make sure to get your reservations in now. The web page with complete information is: http://home.nctv.com/earlrock/wintermicro/index.html Call the lodge, make reservations then complete the registration form and mail it, and we will see you there. regards, Earl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sun Dec 4 05:15:36 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sun Dec 4 05:59:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish References: <120320051636.17496.4391C973000AA1BC00004458215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <4392EBF8.69616438@gmx.de> Hello group, does anyone know the address of John Cornish? I have not been able to reach him under j&gcornish@tenforward.com for two weeks. Thanks for your help J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sun Dec 4 05:29:26 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sun Dec 4 05:59:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] chinese minerals References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> Hello Tina, extra LAPIS had a double issue on Chinese minerals and localities in 2004. I really recommend it. One of the authors is B. Ottens whom you may know from the Mineralogical Record issue on India, Deccan basalts. Maybe they have an English version, I am not sure. Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany > tango juli wrote: > > >I recently purchased some chinese flourite octahedrons (light green) and some stunning chinese barite. The vendor had breathtaking fluorite specimens and cinnabar xls on white matrix and scheelite xls that brought me to tears. I wasn't sure about the pricing as I have not collected these in the past, but was so drawn to this material that I stayed and examined stuff for a good 25 minutes. > > Late to the game on the Chinese material I guess, I am wondering if there are any web links to the chinese minerals. I searched for about 45 minutes recently and didn't find anything helpful except individual's websites selling the chinese mins. I am interested in learning more about the mining provinces, what they are extracting, what the depth of the materials are, and pricing. As Tucson approaches, I'd like to know more before I buy. Suggestions anyone? > > Thanks! > > tina From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sun Dec 4 06:25:29 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 4 06:23:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish In-Reply-To: <4392EBF8.69616438@gmx.de> References: <120320051636.17496.4391C973000AA1BC00004458215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <4392EBF8.69616438@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4392FC59.6030001@tenforward.com> Hi Juergen, I'm here. Something must be up with tenforward as you have our correct address. I'll write them today and imagine they'll address the problem on Monday. Sorry for the hassle! John Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: >Hello group, > >does anyone know the address of John Cornish? I have not been able to reach him under >j&gcornish@tenforward.com for two weeks. > >Thanks for your help > >J?rgen Wachsmuth >Ulm - Germany > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Dec 4 06:44:19 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Dec 4 06:44:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <004601c5f8ab$64b66be0$7948a7a8@hulley> Message-ID: >I AM living in the middle of the Kalahari desert, (sometimes anonymously, >but not in shame) and there is very little here other than sand and >diamonds, Yes, completely uninteresting stuff. I'll trade you a pound of each for 2 pounds of Belgian chocolats and a bottle of Elixir d' Anvers. >and the wrath of the administrators >DOES reach here! Hush.... they can read us... type in a low keyboard ;-)))) Axel (in a much wetter place:-P) Hildagarde Hulley Sitting in front of my computer on the southern edge of the Makgadikgadi Pans, central Botswana! ----- Original Message ----- From: Axel Emmermann To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > Hm, if you hurry and change your name to go live anonymoulsy and in shame in > the Kalahari desert you stand a small chance of escaping the wrath of the > administrators... While you're there: it's a mineralogically interesting > place. Enjoy ;-))))) > > Axel > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 06:45:58 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Dec 4 06:46:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chinese minerals Message-ID: <20051204144558.18769.qmail@web34610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tina: Either Rocks and Minerals or Mineralogical Record (don't remember which!) had a pretty good article about Chinese minerals recently; late last year. Maybe both of them, actually. So look them up and see what there is to see. I gave mine to a co-worker Chinese geologist/GIS programmer expert. I find on-line auctions to be interesting measures of the worth of specimens - people won't bid past where they think the value point is. So if you look at Chinese minerals and how on-line bidders receive them (No, I'm not talking about eBay) you can get some idea of their market value. Some econ types think auctions are the purest market with the least distortion, for whatever that's worth. Check Rob Lavinski's Arkenstone's auctions if you like, he sells a lot of Chinese stuff sometimes...[ http://www.mineralauctions.com/ ]...I sometimes get excited about a given specimen and have to bid...just a customer, no financial involvement other than being addicted to minerals. I think that's how these guys sell lesser quality minerals at a small profit, leaving the high-end samples to go for big bucks at shows. Hope that helps, JR __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Dec 4 06:52:16 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Dec 4 06:52:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I think pterosaurs evolved rather than just die out... You just can't miss the resemblance, can you? Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee Verzonden: zondag 4 december 2005 4:05 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? Yup, the things are all over the place near the water here... Never saw one for lots of years due to DDT... Now they are near the level of pests. Glenn Many plants and animals survive from prehistoric times, but I am yet to see a pterosaur! Have you ever looked at a pelican from closeby? Axel ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 place, including PC security! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Dec 4 07:50:38 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Sun Dec 4 07:45:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4393104E.20401@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >Well, I think pterosaurs evolved rather than just die out... >You just can't miss the resemblance, can you? > >Axel > > > >Yup, the things are all over the place near the water here... > >Never saw one for lots of years due to DDT... > >Now they are near the level of pests. > >Glenn > > > >Many plants and animals survive from prehistoric times, but I am yet to see >a pterosaur! > >Have you ever looked at a pelican from closeby? > >Axel > > > > Well, we know that at least some of these creatures are alive and well. Have you ever met a post-Jurassic bureaucrat? Can't say that I have. john From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Dec 4 08:27:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Dec 4 08:27:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <4393104E.20401@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: >Have you ever met a post-Jurassic bureaucrat? Can't say that I have. >john Per definition ANY bureaucrat from the beginning of the Cretaceous until now IS post-Jurassic! Come to think of it.... my boss is about 10 years younger than me but he's a dinosaur already. That kind of takes the "per se" out of "per definition", if you catch my drift (according to Wegener). Cheers Axel From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Dec 4 09:03:13 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Sun Dec 4 08:58:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43932151.4090109@hal-pc.org> Axel Emmermann wrote: >>Have you ever met a post-Jurassic bureaucrat? Can't say that I have. >> >>john >> >> >>Per definition ANY bureaucrat from the beginning of the Cretaceous until now >>IS post-Jurassic! >>Come to think of it.... my boss is about 10 years younger than me but he's a >>dinosaur already. >>That kind of takes the "per se" out of "per definition", if you catch my >>drift (according to Wegener). >> >>Cheers >> >>Axel >> >> >>__ >> Ah, yes. Well, Creationism is alive and well in the bureaucracy, if you catch my stasis (according to Werner). john From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Dec 4 09:32:08 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Dec 4 09:31:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <43932151.4090109@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: >Ah, yes. Well, Creationism is alive and well in the bureaucracy, if you >catch my stasis (according to Werner). >john It almost throws me off my Paleolithic socle. I am deeply seismed... These erroneous teaching greatly discontinents me. Axel (shaken, not stirred... Sorry, 007) From tomgwen at bigpond.net.au Sat Dec 3 20:27:07 2005 From: tomgwen at bigpond.net.au (Tom & Gwen Magner) Date: Sun Dec 4 10:25:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pixie or genie Message-ID: <000801c5f88a$fd34d300$0808a8c0@qld.bigpond.net.au> I have been searching for pixie or a genie as they are light so they can be shipped to Australia I don,t care if the wheels are finished just want to get cuttin can you guys help out pleeeeasssse? Thanks so much, Chris, Australia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Dec 4 08:34:41 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Dec 4 10:39:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN} pixie or genie References: <000801c5f88a$fd34d300$0808a8c0@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <003c01c5f8f0$a58dcba0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Respond to Chris directly (off List) as he is not a List member. John Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Gwen Magner" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] pixie or genie I have been searching for pixie or a genie as they are light so they can be shipped to Australia I don,t care if the wheels are finished just want to get cuttin can you guys help out pleeeeasssse? Thanks so much, Chris, Australia From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 4 11:01:32 2005 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Dec 4 11:01:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org> <4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> Message-ID: <000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush> I am familiar with the term "fenster" in geology, but am not sure what it refers to in mineralogy. Is it used as a reference in quartz specimens, as a "window" or flat crystal face? Just guessing here......any help out there? Larry From rockhounds at adelphia.net Sun Dec 4 11:13:56 2005 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Sun Dec 4 11:14:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish In-Reply-To: <4392FC59.6030001@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <000001c5f906$dff62e20$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Hi John Remember me. Kelly Hanson with the Oregon beach seal Skull? I just found this "chat". Glad to see your part of it. I love your stories you send. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria Cornish Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:25 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish Hi Juergen, I'm here. Something must be up with tenforward as you have our correct address. I'll write them today and imagine they'll address the problem on Monday. Sorry for the hassle! John Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: >Hello group, > >does anyone know the address of John Cornish? I have not been able to reach him under >j&gcornish@tenforward.com for two weeks. > >Thanks for your help > >J?rgen Wachsmuth >Ulm - Germany > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jaszczak at mtu.edu Sun Dec 4 11:55:01 2005 From: jaszczak at mtu.edu (John A. Jaszczak) Date: Sun Dec 4 11:55:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish In-Reply-To: <000001c5f906$dff62e20$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Message-ID: It is possible that the amperstand "&" in the email address is the problem. Such special characters are considered outside of the email protocols so some email programs (sending or receiving) may have problems with them- intentional or unintentional. John On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Kelly Hanson wrote: > Hi John > > Remember me. Kelly Hanson with the Oregon beach seal Skull? I just found > this "chat". Glad to see your part of it. I love your stories you send. > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria > Cornish > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:25 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish > > > Hi Juergen, > > I'm here. Something must be up with tenforward as you have our correct > address. I'll write them today and imagine they'll address the problem > on Monday. Sorry for the hassle! > > John > > Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: > > >Hello group, > > > >does anyone know the address of John Cornish? I have not been able to reach > him under > >j&gcornish@tenforward.com for two weeks. > > > >Thanks for your help > > > >Jürgen Wachsmuth > >Ulm - Germany > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 4 11:52:19 2005 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Dec 4 11:59:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Christmas for rockhounds References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org><4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> <000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <003f01c5f90d$450f0330$0100007f@LarryRush> I have not had time this year to write a Rockhounds Christmas poem. I do have an older one, "How the Grinch Learned to Love Minerals". If anyone wants to see it, write me off-line and I'll send you a copy. Greetings........Larry From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Sun Dec 4 15:40:38 2005 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Sun Dec 4 15:28:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org> <4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> <000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000801c5f92c$2213b000$887ea118@feldsparflash> Larry I just looked up fenster in Glosssary of Geology-fenster, german, means window. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster > I am familiar with the term "fenster" in geology, but am not sure what it > refers to in mineralogy. Is it used as a reference in quartz specimens, as a > "window" or flat crystal face? Just guessing here......any help out there? > > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 4 15:44:38 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 4 15:35:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org> <4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> <000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <43937D29.1271@Tomaszewski.net> Lawrence Rush wrote: > > I am familiar with the term "fenster" in geology, but am not sure what it > refers to in mineralogy. Is it used as a reference in quartz specimens, as a > "window" or flat crystal face? Just guessing here......any help out there? > > Larry If quartz crystals grow rapidly the edges of faces are favored and you end up with a hopper face. If this hopper face is later overgrown with a thin face sheet of quartz you end up with a fenster face. The thin sheet of quartz almost always traps water or mud in the hopper face it covers. das Fenster is the German word for window and the origin of the term. Kreigh From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Dec 4 16:38:30 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Dec 4 16:38:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cranes, egrets, and herons could all be direct descendants of pteros. And all the birds, including raptors, are now theoretically what's left of the terrible, and some tiny, lizards. But the fossil record is still very incomplete. Or at least undiscovered and correctly interpreted. Glenn Well, I think pterosaurs evolved rather than just die out... You just can't miss the resemblance, can you? Axel Yup, the things are all over the place near the water here... Never saw one for lots of years due to DDT... Now they are near the level of pests. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 place, including PC security! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 4 17:15:41 2005 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Dec 4 17:15:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org><4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> <000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush> <43937D29.1271@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002501c5f939$696906f0$348b4c0c@LarryRush> Thanks, Kreigh....I originally saw the term on a Brazilian quartz crystal, which was very distorted, with two vertical faces being much wider than the others, resulting in a flattened surface, but I am sure there were no inclusions within...it was obviously mis-named. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fenster > Lawrence Rush wrote: >> >> I am familiar with the term "fenster" in geology, but am not sure what it >> refers to in mineralogy. Is it used as a reference in quartz specimens, >> as a >> "window" or flat crystal face? Just guessing here......any help out >> there? >> >> Larry > > If quartz crystals grow rapidly the edges of faces are favored and you > end up with a hopper face. If this hopper face is later overgrown with a > thin face sheet of quartz you end up with a fenster face. The thin sheet > of quartz almost always traps water or mud in the hopper face it covers. > das Fenster is the German word for window and the origin of the term. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Dec 4 18:21:35 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Dec 4 18:21:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info Message-ID: Howdy ya’ll! Jeanette & I are planning to get a GPS for our Christmas present to each other! Probably a Garmin eTrex Legend™ Portable GPS. Of course we are on a small budget of only a couple of hundred dollars. We want something we can connect to our laptop, but that can be used independantly for hiking. There was some good stuff on the list not long ago, but I didn't know what I wanted then. Does anyone have that model or suggestions? Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sun Dec 4 18:46:19 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 4 18:44:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish In-Reply-To: <000001c5f906$dff62e20$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> References: <000001c5f906$dff62e20$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Message-ID: <4393A9FB.2050406@tenforward.com> Hi Kelly, Sure I do! I'd seen your name on a few postings and had wondered, welcome. I hope you enjoy the list, it has its challenging moments, but this list can shine too, epitomizing everything wonderful in our hobby. Again, welcome! Thank you for your kind comments regarding my papers, it wasn't all that long ago that this email came to the list... (I've always loved this letter!)... All the very best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] So, How Did Your Day Begin? > Can any one tell me how I can get delisted from this soppy, uselessly wordy >> e mail list? >> > Kelly Hanson wrote: >Hi John > >Remember me. Kelly Hanson with the Oregon beach seal Skull? I just found >this "chat". Glad to see your part of it. I love your stories you send. >Kelly > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria >Cornish >Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:25 AM >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Searching John Cornish > > >Hi Juergen, > >I'm here. Something must be up with tenforward as you have our correct >address. I'll write them today and imagine they'll address the problem >on Monday. Sorry for the hassle! > >John > >Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: > > > >>Hello group, >> >>does anyone know the address of John Cornish? I have not been able to reach >> >> >him under > > >>j&gcornish@tenforward.com for two weeks. >> >>Thanks for your help >> >>J?rgen Wachsmuth >>Ulm - Germany >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 4 19:15:59 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 4 19:06:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org><4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de> <000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush> <43937D29.1271@Tomaszewski.net> <002501c5f939$696906f0$348b4c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <4393AE95.48FA@Tomaszewski.net> Larry, That sounds more like a closed gwindel. I have seen them called 'window quartz' because they are so wide and flat they look like a thick sheet of glass with beveled edges. Rob Lavinsky has some nice pictures of closed gwindel quartz on his site at http://www.irocks.com/tuc04qtza.html (I occasionally buy from Rob and am only using his wares as an example). The fenster window faces really do look like windows, complete with the casing around the edge. I saw one many years ago at a show, but could not find a picture of one on the web. Kreigh Kreigh Lawrence Rush wrote: > > Thanks, Kreigh....I originally saw the term on a Brazilian quartz crystal, > which was very distorted, with two vertical faces being much wider than the > others, resulting in a flattened surface, but I am sure there were no > inclusions within...it was obviously mis-named. > Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fenster > > > Lawrence Rush wrote: > >> > >> I am familiar with the term "fenster" in geology, but am not sure what it > >> refers to in mineralogy. Is it used as a reference in quartz specimens, > >> as a > >> "window" or flat crystal face? Just guessing here......any help out > >> there? > >> > >> Larry > > > > If quartz crystals grow rapidly the edges of faces are favored and you > > end up with a hopper face. If this hopper face is later overgrown with a > > thin face sheet of quartz you end up with a fenster face. The thin sheet > > of quartz almost always traps water or mud in the hopper face it covers. > > das Fenster is the German word for window and the origin of the term. > > > > Kreigh From gmk at wsu.edu Sun Dec 4 21:24:12 2005 From: gmk at wsu.edu (Gretchen) Date: Sun Dec 4 21:24:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] gift for dad Message-ID: <8b05d5590512042124k21258910l8158e11a1b56fa67@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thank you so much for your input on rockhound magazines and on all those other great gift ideas. I'm VERY glad I consulted the experts. :) Best Regards, Gretchen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Dec 5 02:11:03 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Mon Dec 5 02:11:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c5f984$209656d0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Glenn: I have the Garmin eTrex Vista. I love it and it is a wonderful travel and outdoor aid. My comments: The eTrex series is dated. I bought mine five years ago. Yes, it is still a wonderful little electronic puppy but technology moves rapidly. Consider the newer eTrex C series boxes. Both for their memory expansions and USB connectivity. The color display sure doesn't hurt either. You get a basic map, but the real deal is loading a detailed map into the unit itself so you can see where you are when driving or away from the vehicle. There are several desires concerning this function; most of which boil down to: A) Memory! If the unit has little memory you can not load large areas of detail. Not a problem if you do day trips and can reload maps frequently; it is a problem if you plan to spend a few days on the road over a large territory. The older eTrex units use a proprietary serial-eTrex cable. It is funky and slow by today's standards because it is hampered by the old PC serial communication rates with the max at 115KBS. Even so, the initial communication between GPS and PC is always 9600 baud... I load all 24MB of memory every time I redo the maps loaded in my device. Download time to the GPS runs about an hour. More if there is a communication hang. Oh, yes you must play the com port game with the software... is it com1? Com2? Com3? The map software selections for the eTrex is confusing. Last I checked, only Garmin mapsource maps can be loaded. I can tell you that when you are planning your map download there is a tendency to change the detail view you are looking at on the PC to "medium" or less. At the zoom levels where you do the planning it is less confusing and allows quicker screen refresh rates. BUT: you MUST change the detail level back to a higher level of detail before you start the download or the software will not load the detail you would like to see when you are looking at a little screen. Before I got Lasik I wore glasses that were those continuous focus jobs. Pricey, but far better than bi-trifocals. Back then I never had a problem reading the eTrex screen while driving or hiking then. Since the Lasik, I now need separate, ahem, reading glasses. Now I must fumble out the reading glasses every time I read that darn little screen; Disconcerting enough that I pull off the road when using it on the road. My wife has always been map challenged and putting the map on a little electronic device didn't help. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:22 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info Howdy ya'll! Jeanette & I are planning to get a GPS for our Christmas present to each other! Probably a Garmin eTrex LegendT Portable GPS. Of course we are on a small budget of only a couple of hundred dollars. We want something we can connect to our laptop, but that can be used independantly for hiking. There was some good stuff on the list not long ago, but I didn't know what I wanted then. Does anyone have that model or suggestions? Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search-FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From libawc at emory.edu Mon Dec 5 05:58:12 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Mon Dec 5 05:58:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: GMS Christmas Holiday Show Message-ID: <002701c5f9a3$f10354c0$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Please post this if you can. Better yet, come visit! Anita Westlake Education Chair Georgia Mineral Society, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Georgia Mineral Society [mailto:gmsmail@gamineral.org] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:50 PM To: GMS Member mail Subject: GMS Christmas Holiday Show The Georgia Mineral Society Georgia's Oldest Gem and Mineral Society - Founded in 1935 _____ Christmas Holiday Show *** 12th. Annual *** December 9-11, 2005 North Atlanta Trade Center 1700 Jeurgens Court, Norcross, Ga 30093 (Admission: FREE) / FREE Parking Friday: 10 AM to 6 PM Saturday: 10 AM to 6 PM Sunday: Noon to 5 PM Over 30 Dealers Club Hospitality table, Educational exhibits on Faceting Micromount Demonstrations, Lapidary Demonstrations Club display cases and exhibits AUCTION OF MINERAL AND FOSSIL SPECIMENS, Books, Jewelry etc. ADULT AND JUNIOR DOOR PRIZES Saturday Auction MINERAL AND FOSSIL SPECIMENS, books, jewelry and lots of other items. _____ _____ _____ _____ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html application/octet-stream application/octet-stream application/octet-stream application/octet-stream application/octet-stream --- From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Mon Dec 5 07:12:07 2005 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Mon Dec 5 07:12:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439458C7.6020205@ncmail.net> List, I have the following books I'd like to find good homes for. I ask only that you pay the shipping costs (they are heavy) These are virtually brand new copies, both are hardbacks. The following: Geology and Ore Deposits of the Great Basin, Symposium Proceedings, sponsored by GSA & USGS, April 1-5, 1990 Vol. 1 & 2 each vol about 600 pages Bulk Mineable Precious Metal Deposits of the Western United States, Symposium Proceedings, sponsored by Geo Society of Nevada, April 6-8, 1987, about 750 pages Contact me off list at: kenny.gay@ncmail.net Kenny NC Geological Survey Raleigh From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 5 07:33:13 2005 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Dec 5 07:33:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org><4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de><000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush><43937D29.1271@Tomaszewski.net><002501c5f939$696906f0$348b4c0c@LarryRush> <4393AE95.48FA@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002d01c5f9b1$34c37700$7d894c0c@LarryRush> Yes, that's a good description. This spec. was about 3X4" and only 3/8" thick, all edges formed perfectly, and showing no point of attachment. I also recently acquired some "cubic" quartz from St. Lawrence County, NY. These groups of 1" crystals have one or more individuals with distinct 90 degree angles. Just a mal-formation, I suppose, but curious to look at. I can trade or sell these, but they are quite heavy to send in the mail. I can send pics, if interested. Larry ============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fenster > Larry, > > That sounds more like a closed gwindel. I have seen them called 'window > quartz' because they are so wide and flat they look like a thick sheet > of glass with beveled edges. > > Rob Lavinsky has some nice pictures of closed gwindel quartz on his site > at > > http://www.irocks.com/tuc04qtza.html > > (I occasionally buy from Rob and am only using his wares as an example). > > The fenster window faces really do look like windows, complete with the > casing around the edge. I saw one many years ago at a show, but could > not find a picture of one on the web. > > Kreigh From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Dec 5 08:12:18 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Dec 5 08:12:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you consider the number of conditions that have to be met by chance to make a fossil out of a corps that would normally decay or be eaten... It's a miracle that we have SOME record of evolution. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee Verzonden: maandag 5 december 2005 1:39 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? Cranes, egrets, and herons could all be direct descendants of pteros. And all the birds, including raptors, are now theoretically what's left of the terrible, and some tiny, lizards. But the fossil record is still very incomplete. Or at least undiscovered and correctly interpreted. Glenn Well, I think pterosaurs evolved rather than just die out... You just can't miss the resemblance, can you? Axel Yup, the things are all over the place near the water here... Never saw one for lots of years due to DDT... Now they are near the level of pests. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 place, including PC security! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From armandoafonso at oniduo.pt Mon Dec 5 10:07:17 2005 From: armandoafonso at oniduo.pt (Armando Afonso) Date: Mon Dec 5 10:07:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] books References: <439458C7.6020205@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <000601c5f9c6$baf61f20$a9defea9@TOSHIBA> Hi. Here You have a volonteer. Regards. Armando Afonso - Portugal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Gay" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] books > List, I have the following books I'd like to find good homes for. I ask > only that you pay the shipping costs (they are heavy) > These are virtually brand new copies, both are hardbacks. > The following: > Geology and Ore Deposits of the Great Basin, Symposium Proceedings, > sponsored by GSA & USGS, April 1-5, 1990 Vol. 1 & 2 each vol about 600 > pages > > Bulk Mineable Precious Metal Deposits of the Western United States, > Symposium Proceedings, sponsored by Geo Society of Nevada, April 6-8, > 1987, about 750 pages > > Contact me off list at: kenny.gay@ncmail.net > > Kenny > NC Geological Survey > Raleigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Mon Dec 5 11:10:01 2005 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Mon Dec 5 11:10:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] books In-Reply-To: <000601c5f9c6$baf61f20$a9defea9@TOSHIBA> References: <439458C7.6020205@ncmail.net> <000601c5f9c6$baf61f20$a9defea9@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <43949089.4010103@ncmail.net> Armando Afonso wrote: > Hi. > > Here You have a volonteer. > Regards. > > Armando Afonso - Portugal > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Gay" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:12 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] books > > >> List, I have the following books I'd like to find good homes for. I >> ask only that you pay the shipping costs (they are heavy) >> These are virtually brand new copies, both are hardbacks. >> The following: >> Geology and Ore Deposits of the Great Basin, Symposium Proceedings, >> sponsored by GSA & USGS, April 1-5, 1990 Vol. 1 & 2 each vol about >> 600 pages >> >> Bulk Mineable Precious Metal Deposits of the Western United States, >> Symposium Proceedings, sponsored by Geo Society of Nevada, April 6-8, >> 1987, about 750 pages >> >> Contact me off list at: kenny.gay@ncmail.net >> >> Kenny >> NC Geological Survey >> Raleigh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Armando Sorry the books went as soon as the post appeared Thanks, Kenny From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Dec 5 16:35:37 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 5 16:22:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal-pc.org><4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de><000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush><43937D29.1271@Tomaszewski.net><002501c5f939$696906f0$348b4c0c@LarryRush> <4393AE95.48FA@Tomaszewski.net> <002d01c5f9b1$34c37700$7d894c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <4394D9D3.4B3F@Tomaszewski.net> 'The cubic quartz' is formed when two faces have their width shrunk to be almost non-existant. It is known as parallelogram habit quartz and usually has striated faces. Lawrence Rush wrote: > > Yes, that's a good description. This spec. was about 3X4" and only 3/8" > thick, all edges formed perfectly, and showing no point of attachment. > > I also recently acquired some "cubic" quartz from St. Lawrence County, NY. > These groups of 1" crystals have one or more individuals with distinct 90 > degree angles. Just a mal-formation, I suppose, but curious to look at. I > can trade or sell these, but they are quite heavy to send in the mail. I can > send pics, if interested. > Larry > ============================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fenster > > > Larry, > > > > That sounds more like a closed gwindel. I have seen them called 'window > > quartz' because they are so wide and flat they look like a thick sheet > > of glass with beveled edges. > > > > Rob Lavinsky has some nice pictures of closed gwindel quartz on his site > > at > > > > http://www.irocks.com/tuc04qtza.html > > > > (I occasionally buy from Rob and am only using his wares as an example). > > > > The fenster window faces really do look like windows, complete with the > > casing around the edge. I saw one many years ago at a show, but could > > not find a picture of one on the web. > > > > Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Dec 5 16:44:32 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Dec 5 16:44:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? References: Message-ID: <007f01c5f9fe$3977d050$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> That's true to some extent. Given the large numbers of organisms alive at a particular time on this planet, a good variety will be preserved as fossils. True, many species will never be found, while others will be scarce in the fossil record. The evolutionary record is so strong because it crosses the spectrum of life from the smallest bacterium to the largest land or sea animal. The process also occurs in places where it has been recorded. Even the hominid fossil record, while represented by more poorly preserved fossils than good ones, demonstrates how the evolutionary process works. What really draws my ire are those folks that believe that it is okay to toss in a little religious faith with science in the classroom. Or in the case of the Kansas board of education, to redefine the meaning of science to blend them together! I'm not belittling faith and I'm not an atheist! But science IS study of some topic in such a manner that can be proved or disproved. The chief problem as I view it with the evolution - creation debate is that many people in important positions on school boards and other policy-making arenas do not have a fundamental concept of what science "is." Science is a process of discovering answers to the mysteries in our universe, particularly the what-when-how-where questions. Faith focuses on the question of why. Science is not an enemy of faith. It does not seek to minimize people's belief in something greater than themselves. If educators can solve the problem of teaching students what science is in a way that can be understood, then the issue would not be as big of a controversy. I attended a program on the subject and a number of the people in the audience were from Europe and Asia. They indicated that there is no evolution - creation controversy in their countries. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > If you consider the number of conditions that have to be met by chance to > make a fossil out of a corps that would normally decay or be eaten... > It's a miracle that we have SOME record of evolution. > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee > Verzonden: maandag 5 december 2005 1:39 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > > > Cranes, egrets, and herons could all be direct descendants of pteros. > > And all the birds, including raptors, are now theoretically what's left of > the terrible, and some tiny, lizards. > > But the fossil record is still very incomplete. Or at least undiscovered > and > correctly interpreted. > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think pterosaurs evolved rather than just die out... > You just can't miss the resemblance, can you? > > Axel > > > Yup, the things are all over the place near the water here... > > Never saw one for lots of years due to DDT... > > Now they are near the level of pests. > > Glenn > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 > place, > including PC security! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Mon Dec 5 16:52:02 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Dec 5 16:52:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? References: <007f01c5f9fe$3977d050$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <00b601c5f9ff$453b0640$6402a8c0@remains> I once read a in a paleojournal somewhere that, in the USA, there are something like 3 billion easily collectable fossils for every man, woman and child in the country. Obviously, these are going to be things like coral, bivalves, all kinds of inverts..... huge numbers, tho. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? > That's true to some extent. Given the large numbers of organisms alive at > a particular time on this planet, a good variety will be preserved as > fossils. True, many species will never be found, while others will be > scarce in the fossil record. The evolutionary record is so strong because > it crosses the spectrum of life from the smallest bacterium to the largest > land or sea animal. The process also occurs in places where it has been > recorded. Even the hominid fossil record, while represented by more poorly > preserved fossils than good ones, demonstrates how the evolutionary > process works. From rpr at heidelberg.edu Mon Dec 5 16:54:38 2005 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Mon Dec 5 16:54:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fenster In-Reply-To: <002d01c5f9b1$34c37700$7d894c0c@LarryRush> References: <20051203175539.54882.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com><43921B7B.9070907@hal- pc.org><4392EF36.EB53CBE7@gmx.de><000a01c5f905$243939d0$e4904c0c@LarryRush ><43937D29.1271@Tomaszewski.net><002501c5f939$696906f0$348b4c0c@LarryRush> <4393AE95.48FA@Tomaszewski.net> <002d01c5f9b1$34c37700$7d894c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: But a gwindel, to be a proper gwindel, is twisted about the a-axis along which it is also elongated. The attachment is usually visible (though getting them on matrix is rare) and is at one end of the elongation. You can also get tabular quartz from faden development (the faden is a white "thread" of bubble inclusions within the crystal, and is usually conspicuous), or from quartz that is naturally cleaved by pressure during growth (and healing), or just from uneven development for reasons that are not obvious. Pseudo-cubic quartz is not really cubic - if you measure somewhat carefully, I bet you'll find that the interfacial angles are systematically different from 90?. Without knowing how the cube is approximated, I cannot say what the proper angle would be. Pete Richards >Yes, that's a good description. This spec. was >about 3X4" and only 3/8" thick, all edges formed >perfectly, and showing no point of attachment. > >I also recently acquired some "cubic" quartz >from St. Lawrence County, NY. These groups of >1" crystals have one or more individuals with >distinct 90 degree angles. Just a mal-formation, >I suppose, but curious to look at. I can trade >or sell these, but they are quite heavy to send >in the mail. I can send pics, if interested. >Larry >============================== >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh >Tomaszewski" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for >rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:15 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fenster > >>Larry, >> >>That sounds more like a closed gwindel. I have seen them called 'window >>quartz' because they are so wide and flat they look like a thick sheet >>of glass with beveled edges. >> >>Rob Lavinsky has some nice pictures of closed gwindel quartz on his site >>at >> >>http://www.irocks.com/tuc04qtza.html >> >>(I occasionally buy from Rob and am only using his wares as an example). >> >>The fenster window faces really do look like windows, complete with the >>casing around the edge. I saw one many years ago at a show, but could >>not find a picture of one on the web. >> >>Kreigh > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Dec 5 19:16:03 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 5 19:02:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Found: Mineral Tack References: <20051204083351.17027.qmail@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4394FF58.3478@Tomaszewski.net> My package of Museum Putty from www.quakehold.com arrived today from Trevco, who appears to be the manufacturer. It appears to be identical in quality and consistency to the Mineral Tack I used to get from Color Wright, except that it is white instead of grey, and came as a slab instead of in strings. www.gotputty is a better deal because quakehold does not offer a discount for quantity (and doesn't offer bulk); I could not verify Trevco was the manufacturer on the gotputty website (maybe I missed it). BTW, some of the discount Art Supply places (like MisterArt) sell it under the Trevco label at $3.99 for the 2.64 oz. package (but I found some other 'discount' places selling it for as much as 5.99). I could not find a website for Trevco to buy it direct from the maker. Kreigh tango juli wrote: > > Well, after the post exchange in the past week, someone's reference to the product (Kitty?), led me to something that fits the bill. The company that makes QUAKE Secure packages the product also under "amazing stuff" targeted to teachers etc. Cost was $4.99 each or 3.99 if you buy 3 (18.00 w/ shipping and tax). The sell in bulk as well. The amount of material appears to be the same as you'd get from the poster tack packages. It is white and has the same consistency as the mineral tack I've gotte > website is www.gotputty.com. > Thanks all, > Tina From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:05:38 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Dec 5 22:05:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: <007f01c5f9fe$3977d050$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: Well said Alan. It is intolerance of ideas that seem to threaten ones beliefs that causes ill will. True science tolerates religious beliefs, and religious people confident in their beliefs do not fear science. Glenn From: "Alan Goldstein" deepskyspy@insightbb.com That's true to some extent. Given the large numbers of organisms alive at a particular time on this planet, a good variety will be preserved as fossils. True, many species will never be found, while others will be scarce in the fossil record. The evolutionary record is so strong because it crosses the spectrum of life from the smallest bacterium to the largest land or sea animal. The process also occurs in places where it has been recorded. Even the hominid fossil record, while represented by more poorly preserved fossils than good ones, demonstrates how the evolutionary process works. What really draws my ire are those folks that believe that it is okay to toss in a little religious faith with science in the classroom. Or in the case of the Kansas board of education, to redefine the meaning of science to blend them together! I'm not belittling faith and I'm not an atheist! But science IS study of some topic in such a manner that can be proved or disproved. The chief problem as I view it with the evolution - creation debate is that many people in important positions on school boards and other policy-making arenas do not have a fundamental concept of what science "is." Science is a process of discovering answers to the mysteries in our universe, particularly the what-when-how-where questions. Faith focuses on the question of why.  Science is not an enemy of faith. It does not seek to minimize people's belief in something greater than themselves. If educators can solve the problem of teaching students what science is in a way that can be understood, then the issue would not be as big of a controversy. I attended a program on the subject and a number of the people in the audience were from Europe and Asia. They indicated that there is no evolution - creation controversy in their countries. Alan ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:16:47 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Dec 5 22:16:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <001601c5f984$209656d0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: Ted, Thanks for your input and advice. It is just the kind of info I want. We'll definitely look at the C series. Glenn From: "Ted Kowalski" Ted@crystalgems.com Glenn: I have the Garmin eTrex Vista. I love it and it is a wonderful travel and outdoor aid. My comments: The eTrex series is dated. I bought mine five years ago. Yes, it is still a wonderful little electronic puppy but technology moves rapidly. Consider the newer eTrex C series boxes. Both for their memory expansions and USB connectivity. The color display sure doesn't hurt either. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Mon Dec 5 22:56:57 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Dec 5 22:57:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <001601c5f984$209656d0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <200512060656.jB66uwAN017388@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I also have a Garmin eTrex Vista and I liked it a couple years ago, but as Ted mentions, it is dated. It was a good "starter" unit, but the main thing that I really don't like about it is the weak satellite tracking in the mountains. Most of the digging sites that I go to here in Colorado are in the mountains and pine trees, the two main enemies of tracking satellites. I was in the mountains a month ago with 3 of my buddies. Two of them had GPS units (neither was an eTrex series). They acquired a full strength signal of three or more satellites within 30 seconds; mine took several minutes to even get a weak signal (the third satellite kept fading away). We were all standing on the same slope about 3 feet from each other. Even when I walked uphill or raised the GPS unit above my head, it didn't help. I don't know what models they had, but they were purchased in the last year or two. Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Ted Kowalski Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:11 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] GPS info Glenn: I have the Garmin eTrex Vista. I love it and it is a wonderful travel and outdoor aid. My comments: The eTrex series is dated. I bought mine five years ago. Yes, it is still a wonderful little electronic puppy but technology moves rapidly. Consider the newer eTrex C series boxes. Both for their memory expansions and USB connectivity. The color display sure doesn't hurt either. You get a basic map, but the real deal is loading a detailed map into the unit itself so you can see where you are when driving or away from the vehicle. There are several desires concerning this function; most of which boil down to: A) Memory! If the unit has little memory you can not load large areas of detail. Not a problem if you do day trips and can reload maps frequently; it is a problem if you plan to spend a few days on the road over a large territory. The older eTrex units use a proprietary serial-eTrex cable. It is funky and slow by today's standards because it is hampered by the old PC serial communication rates with the max at 115KBS. Even so, the initial communication between GPS and PC is always 9600 baud... I load all 24MB of memory every time I redo the maps loaded in my device. Download time to the GPS runs about an hour. More if there is a communication hang. Oh, yes you must play the com port game with the software... is it com1? Com2? Com3? The map software selections for the eTrex is confusing. Last I checked, only Garmin mapsource maps can be loaded. I can tell you that when you are planning your map download there is a tendency to change the detail view you are looking at on the PC to "medium" or less. At the zoom levels where you do the planning it is less confusing and allows quicker screen refresh rates. BUT: you MUST change the detail level back to a higher level of detail before you start the download or the software will not load the detail you would like to see when you are looking at a little screen. Before I got Lasik I wore glasses that were those continuous focus jobs. Pricey, but far better than bi-trifocals. Back then I never had a problem reading the eTrex screen while driving or hiking then. Since the Lasik, I now need separate, ahem, reading glasses. Now I must fumble out the reading glasses every time I read that darn little screen; Disconcerting enough that I pull off the road when using it on the road. My wife has always been map challenged and putting the map on a little electronic device didn't help. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:22 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info Howdy ya'll! Jeanette & I are planning to get a GPS for our Christmas present to each other! Probably a Garmin eTrex LegendT Portable GPS. Of course we are on a small budget of only a couple of hundred dollars. We want something we can connect to our laptop, but that can be used independantly for hiking. There was some good stuff on the list not long ago, but I didn't know what I wanted then. Does anyone have that model or suggestions? Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search-FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Tue Dec 6 08:54:13 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Dec 6 08:54:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <200512060656.jB66uwAN017388@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <001601c5f984$209656d0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> <200512060656.jB66uwAN017388@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> That is unfortunately average performance for this series. Once again, I encourage the list members interested in GPS units to check out the several excellent websites out there that compare accuracy between GPS units. The best such site, http://gpsinformation.net/ warns specifically against Etrex units because of their poor reception...this site tested an Etrex in my backyard (well not literally) http://www.fs.fed.us/database/gps/mtdc/gps2000/Nav_3-2001.htm and found that the III+ (the best Garmin available at the time and my "backup" unit) was much more accurate under tree cover. You will thank yourself that you did when you do make your choice of GPS units, and curse yourself if you don't. The performance of some of the smaller & cheaper "new" units that I witnessed this summer was nothing short of criminal; it seems they were designed to be used in the middle of Kansas wheatfields and nowhere else. Why is it that manufacturers won't think you'll notice when your GPS starts chirping that it has lost its signal and can't obtain a fix? One guy that came to our field trip at Whistler Spring in the Ochoco Mtns. on Labor Day showed me his Etrex claiming he was still in Prineville, 25 car miles back! As I said a few times on this list, the GPS V was recommended by a Search & Rescue coordinator (who also happens to be the developer of All Topo maps) as the most accurate & reliable unit available today short of DGPS units...you also won't be disappointed with the 76C series... At 10:56 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: >I also have a Garmin eTrex Vista and I liked it a couple years ago, but as >Ted mentions, it is dated. It was a good "starter" unit, but the main thing >that I really don't like about it is the weak satellite tracking in the >mountains. Most of the digging sites that I go to here in Colorado are in >the mountains and pine trees, the two main enemies of tracking satellites. >I was in the mountains a month ago with 3 of my buddies. Two of them had >GPS units (neither was an eTrex series). They acquired a full strength >signal of three or more satellites within 30 seconds; mine took several >minutes to even get a weak signal (the third satellite kept fading away). >We were all standing on the same slope about 3 feet from each other. Even >when I walked uphill or raised the GPS unit above my head, it didn't help. >I don't know what models they had, but they were purchased in the last year >or two. > >Bob > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Ted Kowalski >Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:11 AM >To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] GPS info > >Glenn: >I have the Garmin eTrex Vista. I love it and it is a wonderful travel and >outdoor aid. > >My comments: >The eTrex series is dated. I bought mine five years ago. Yes, it is still a >wonderful little electronic puppy but technology moves rapidly. Consider the >newer eTrex C series boxes. Both for their memory expansions and USB >connectivity. The color display sure doesn't hurt either. > >You get a basic map, but the real deal is loading a detailed map into the >unit itself so you can see where you are when driving or away from the >vehicle. There are several desires concerning this function; most of which >boil down to: A) Memory! If the unit has little memory you can not load >large areas of detail. Not a problem if you do day trips and can reload maps >frequently; it is a problem if you plan to spend a few days on the road over >a large territory. > >The older eTrex units use a proprietary serial-eTrex cable. It is funky and >slow by today's standards because it is hampered by the old PC serial >communication rates with the max at 115KBS. Even so, the initial >communication between GPS and PC is always 9600 baud... I load all 24MB of >memory every time I redo the maps loaded in my device. Download time to the >GPS runs about an hour. More if there is a communication hang. Oh, yes you >must play the com port game with the software... is it com1? Com2? Com3? > >The map software selections for the eTrex is confusing. Last I checked, only >Garmin mapsource maps can be loaded. I can tell you that when you are >planning your map download there is a tendency to change the detail view you >are looking at on the PC to "medium" or less. At the zoom levels where you >do the planning it is less confusing and allows quicker screen refresh >rates. BUT: you MUST change the detail level back to a higher level of >detail before you start the download or the software will not load the >detail you would like to see when you are looking at a little screen. > >Before I got Lasik I wore glasses that were those continuous focus jobs. >Pricey, but far better than bi-trifocals. Back then I never had a problem >reading the eTrex screen while driving or hiking then. Since the Lasik, I >now need separate, ahem, reading glasses. Now I must fumble out the reading >glasses every time I read that darn little screen; Disconcerting enough that >I pull off the road when using it on the road. My wife has always been map >challenged and putting the map on a little electronic device didn't help. > >Ted Kowalski >Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee >Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:22 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info > >Howdy ya'll! > >Jeanette & I are planning to get a GPS for our Christmas present to each >other! >Probably a Garmin eTrex LegendT Portable GPS. > > > > > > >Of course we are on a small budget of only a couple of hundred dollars. > >We want something we can connect to our laptop, but that can be used >independantly for hiking. > >There was some good stuff on the list not long ago, but I didn't know what I >wanted then. > >Does anyone have that model or suggestions? > > >Glenn Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From bose.2 at wright.edu Tue Dec 6 07:17:32 2005 From: bose.2 at wright.edu (Sweta Bose) Date: Tue Dec 6 09:38:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] barite Message-ID: Hi, I am Sweta and current;y working on Barite mineral growth studied by AFM (atomic force microscopy). I am looking for Barite specimen (good cleavable size) with prominent cleavage planes. It would be better if anyone can refer me to samples in which I can find screw dislocations. Thanks Sweta --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Dec 6 07:57:14 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Dec 6 10:02:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN} barite References: Message-ID: <002e01c5fa7d$c0460f00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Respond to this post off-list as Sweta is not a list member. John Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sweta Bose" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] barite > > Hi, > > I am Sweta and current;y working on Barite mineral growth studied by AFM (atomic force microscopy). I am looking for Barite specimen (good cleavable size) with prominent cleavage planes. It would be better if anyone can refer me to samples in which I can find screw dislocations. > Thanks > > Sweta From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 13:41:19 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Dec 6 13:41:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] fact....or fiction? In-Reply-To: References: <007f01c5f9fe$3977d050$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: OK, I am firmly religious and I think it is obvious to the list I am a strict constructionist when it come to the scientific method and falsifiability. I also believe in what is being called Intelligent Design right now and have been for many years before the current fad. Altho I've always thought of it as guided evolution. How do I reconcile firm belief in Science and this belief? The truth of the matter is that one is rational science and the other is Faith. Science answers the question: How. Science does not answer the question: Why. The How is the mechanism of evolution, the Why is the Creator behind the scenes guiding that process. A lot of scientists are trying to extend science to Why, when someone talks about ID they should just point out that this is untestable and a matter of Faith. When the rationalists insist that evolution proceeds only by random events they are making an unfalsifiable assertion. That assertion can't be tested and isn't science any more than ID is. Likewise some religious types are likewise trying to push Faith into Science with equally wrong premises. There is no doubt that the 4004 BC creation know-nothing crowd is jumping on to this band-wagon. They fall into the same mental type as the new-agers. There are many other examples in the Universe that show the hand of the Creator behind the scenes. All are matters of personal Faith not science. The Creator gave us the ability for rational thought. Everything that proceeds from Him is truth. He cannot lie. And in my opinion he would not leave us unmistakable evidence that is not truth: the fossil record is a prime example. The multiple evidences of the age of the earth and universe are others. Those records are here for us to use our rational abilities to decipher. As for why this is not happening in Europe, not to upset any of our European members. But my impression, is that compared to the US, religion is somewhat extinct in Europe. I know my church is something of an exception, but we have no policy on evolution. BK On 12/6/05, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Well said Alan. > > It is intolerance of ideas that seem to threaten ones beliefs that causes > ill will. > > True science tolerates religious beliefs, and religious people confident > in their beliefs do not fear science. > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > From: "Alan Goldstein" deepskyspy@insightbb.com > > > That's true to some extent. Given the large numbers of organisms > alive at a particular time on this planet, a good variety will be > preserved as fossils. True, many species will never be found, while > others will be scarce in the fossil record. The evolutionary record > is so strong because it crosses the spectrum of life from the > smallest bacterium to the largest land or sea animal. The process > also occurs in places where it has been recorded. Even the hominid > fossil record, while represented by more poorly preserved fossils > than good ones, demonstrates how the evolutionary process works. > > What really draws my ire are those folks that believe that it is > okay to toss in a little religious faith with science in the > classroom. Or in the case of the Kansas board of education, to > redefine the meaning of science to blend them together! I'm > not > belittling faith and I'm not an atheist! But science IS study of > some topic in such a manner that can be proved or disproved. The > chief problem as I view it with the evolution - creation debate is > that many people in important positions on school boards and other > policy-making arenas do not have a fundamental concept of what > science "is." > > Science is a process of discovering answers to the > mysteries in our universe, particularly the what-when-how-where > questions. Faith focuses on the question of why. > > Science is not an enemy of faith. It does not seek to minimize people's > belief in > something greater than themselves. If educators can solve the > problem of teaching students what science is in a way that can be > understood, then the issue would not be as big of a controversy. > > I attended a program on the subject and a number of the people in > the audience were from Europe and Asia. They indicated that there is > no evolution - creation controversy in their countries. > > Alan > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue Dec 6 14:01:22 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Dec 6 14:01:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: MasMils/PLUS Mine Location CD In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051203094024.03a78f60@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <012a01c5fab0$985320e0$0500a8c0@okapi> Hokay kids... It's my once-a-quarter-more-or-less ad for my MasMils/PLUS mine location CD. This is based on the original USBM MasMils mine location data, but split out into a zillion files for direct loading into programs such as DeLorme Street Atlas and Topo, Microsoft Streets, and so on. The disk also includes a Microsoft Access version of the data so you can play with it to your heart's content. Read about it: http://www.catspaw-minerals.com/Masmils%20PLUS.htm $15 (US) postpaid to anywhere in the US. I take PayPal, cheques, small unmarked bills.... Let's see...clever ad copy...hmmmm.... "Great Stocking Stuffer" "Amazing Gift for a Rockhound" "Perfect for holding up the leg of that shaky table" Pop me a note at: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com To order. Gary From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Dec 6 14:20:00 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Tue Dec 6 14:25:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Creationism and Evolution References: <007f01c5f9fe$3977d050$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <005e01c5fab3$39de09f0$12b4010a@warren> Hey, guys, this has been going on for a bit now, and is getting pretty far away from rockhounding and minerals. I'm not sure precisely what I believe (changes almost daily), but for those of you who'd like to discuss the topic, you might want to check out: http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html It has links to mailing lists and more. This really isn't an appropriate place for this kind of discussion unless you want to talk about "Lucy" and paleontology. Thanks, Julie List Owner From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Dec 6 20:58:41 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Dec 6 20:58:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> Message-ID: OK, so now I need Santa Clause's help to afford the 76CS plus Delorme Topo USA 5.0, but we likely would be disappointed with the dated models. That's why I polled the list. We'll ask our kids for donations toward our toys. Thanks guys! Glenn  and  Jeanette From: Tim Fisher tim@orerockon.com   That is unfortunately average performance for this series. Once again, I encourage the list members interested in GPS units to check out the several excellent websites out there that compare accuracy between GPS units. The best such site, http://gpsinformation.net warns specifically against Etrex units because of their poor reception...this site tested an Etrex in my backyard (well not literally) http://www.fs.fed.us/database/gps/mtdc/gps2000/Nav_3-2001.htm and found that the III+ (the best Garmin available at the time and my "backup" unit) was much more accurate under tree cover. You will thank yourself that you did when you do make your choice of GPS units, and curse yourself if you don't. The performance of some of the smaller & cheaper "new" units that I witnessed this summer was nothing short of criminal; it seems they were designed to be used in the middle of Kansas wheatfields and nowhere else.   ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Search, shop, and browse smarter using tabs with the MSN Search Toolbar-FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Dec 6 22:15:05 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Dec 6 22:15:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info Message-ID: <120720050615.24214.43967DE6000CA82B00005E96216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> It's good to hear someone else talk about the minimal performance of their GPS units, so that I know I'm not the only one whose GPS works like that too. I have a REALLY old Garmin (pre-eTrex) that only gets 8 satellites, and it is very often "challenged" to get a position if the terrain is the least rugged. I've used it a lot over the years, but I guess I'll just have to replace it one of these days. It seems like it used to get quicker fixes than it does now, but it's hard to go back X years and compare. Then I wonder if the traumatic accident that I subjected it to several years ago, could have degraded its performance? I have always been amazed that it still works--those Garmins (or at least, mine), are really TOUGH! I had (always a bad move) sat it up on top of my jeep to get a good signal at a spot in the Front Range, then forgot it was there and drove off. 50 miles later, driving at 60 mph along C-470 around the outskirts of Denver, I heard something scuttle on the roof and saw my Garmin bouncing down the highway in my rearview mirror. I stopped & walked back, it was on the shoulder (didn't have to dodge traffic), and still working, just a few scuffs on the case and the lid over the battery case is bent a bit, so it may not be quite waterproof any more. My unit seems to be lined with a rather tough, rubber-like plastic, I'm not sure if they are all made that sturdy nowadway. It certainly "takes a licking and keeps on ticking"! (Thanks to the non-skid rubbery surface, is why it probably stayed on the roof as long as it did, plus the sides of the Cherokee are lined with roof rack rails.) Pete -------------- Original message from Tim Fisher : -------------- > That is unfortunately average performance for this series. Once > again, I encourage the list members interested in GPS units to check > out the several excellent websites out there that compare accuracy > between GPS units. The best such site, http://gpsinformation.net/ > warns specifically against Etrex units because of their poor > reception...this site tested an Etrex in my backyard (well not > literally) > http://www.fs.fed.us/database/gps/mtdc/gps2000/Nav_3-2001.htm and > found that the III+ (the best Garmin available at the time and my > "backup" unit) was much more accurate under tree cover. > > You will thank yourself that you did when you do make your choice of > GPS units, and curse yourself if you don't. The performance of some > of the smaller & cheaper "new" units that I witnessed this summer was > nothing short of criminal; it seems they were designed to be used in > the middle of Kansas wheatfields and nowhere else. Why is it that > manufacturers won't think you'll notice when your GPS starts chirping > that it has lost its signal and can't obtain a fix? One guy that came > to our field trip at Whistler Spring in the Ochoco Mtns. on Labor Day > showed me his Etrex claiming he was still in Prineville, 25 car miles > back! As I said a few times on this list, the GPS V was recommended > by a Search & Rescue coordinator (who also happens to be the > developer of All Topo maps) as the most accurate & reliable unit > available today short of DGPS units...you also won't be disappointed > with the 76C series... > > At 10:56 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: > >I also have a Garmin eTrex Vista and I liked it a couple years ago, but as > >Ted mentions, it is dated. It was a good "starter" unit, but the main thing > >that I really don't like about it is the weak satellite tracking in the > >mountains. Most of the digging sites that I go to here in Colorado are in > >the mountains and pine trees, the two main enemies of tracking satellites. > >I was in the mountains a month ago with 3 of my buddies. Two of them had > >GPS units (neither was an eTrex series). They acquired a full strength > >signal of three or more satellites within 30 seconds; mine took several > >minutes to even get a weak signal (the third satellite kept fading away). > >We were all standing on the same slope about 3 feet from each other. Even > >when I walked uphill or raised the GPS unit above my head, it didn't help. > >I don't know what models they had, but they were purchased in the last year > >or two. > > > >Bob > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Dec 7 05:19:33 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Dec 7 05:20:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> You can probably get Mapsource Topo US for much less, and the maps are directly uploadable to your 76C :) At 08:58 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >OK, so now I need Santa Clause's help to afford the 76CS plus >Delorme Topo USA 5.0, but we likely would be disappointed with the >dated models. >That's why I polled the list. > >We'll ask our kids for donations toward our toys. > >Thanks guys! > > > >Glenn  and  Jeanette Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From albalmer at att.net Wed Dec 7 07:42:14 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Dec 7 07:42:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <439702D6.5080204@att.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > You can probably get Mapsource Topo US for much less, and the maps are > directly uploadable to your 76C :) The prices are roughly the same, and each has features the other doesn't. For my use, the Delorme product is much more useful. If most of your GPS use is on foot, probably the Garmin maps are better. > > At 08:58 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >> OK, so now I need Santa Clause's help to afford the 76CS plus Delorme >> Topo USA 5.0, but we likely would be disappointed with the dated models. >> That's why I polled the list. >> >> We'll ask our kids for donations toward our toys. >> >> Thanks guys! >> >> >> >> Glenn  and  Jeanette > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jabac at hal-pc.org Wed Dec 7 10:32:48 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Wed Dec 7 10:27:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <439702D6.5080204@att.net> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> <439702D6.5080204@att.net> Message-ID: <43972AD0.6020308@hal-pc.org> Al Balmer wrote: > Tim Fisher wrote: > >> You can probably get Mapsource Topo US for much less, and the maps >> are directly uploadable to your 76C :) > > > The prices are roughly the same, and each has features the other > doesn't. For my use, the Delorme product is much more useful. If most > of your GPS use is on foot, probably the Garmin maps are better. > How about uploading a Delorme Topo to a Garmin or Magellan? (I'm speaking of the hand-held units here.) I know the easiest way is to load the map directly into a memory card and then insert the card into the GPS. But will either GPS "read" the Delorme map? Both Garmin and Magellan explicitly say to use their proprietary maps for uploads. john From BDeRidder at wcrl.ars.usda.gov Tue Dec 6 10:27:28 2005 From: BDeRidder at wcrl.ars.usda.gov (BDeRidder@wcrl.ars.usda.gov) Date: Wed Dec 7 10:33:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amethystine agate Message-ID: Pete, Hello, My name is Ben . I'm a rockhounder in Arizona, or as I say, a "stone-dawg". I noticed your discussion (2 years ago) as posted on the web about "amethystine agate". I thought I'd mention that my friend and I have discovered a vein of purple agate at Burro Creek (which is actually famous for purple agate), which has produced some nice specimen that may be very close to an amethystine color and quality. I have attached a couple pictures for your viewing. Do you know of anyone who would be interested in obtaining a few of these slabs for a reasonable price? Cheers, Ben --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg --- From hammerron at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 10:38:59 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Wed Dec 7 10:39:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amethystine agate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051207183859.63351.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben: The rockhounds list does not allow attachments. If you have access to a web site where you can post pics, you could send a link -Ron BDeRidder@wcrl.ars.usda.gov wrote: Pete, Hello, My name is Ben . I'm a rockhounder in Arizona, or as I say, a "stone-dawg". I noticed your discussion (2 years ago) as posted on the web about "amethystine agate". I thought I'd mention that my friend and I have discovered a vein of purple agate at Burro Creek (which is actually famous for purple agate), which has produced some nice specimen that may be very close to an amethystine color and quality. I have attached a couple pictures for your viewing. Do you know of anyone who would be interested in obtaining a few of these slabs for a reasonable price? Cheers, Ben --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Dec 7 08:40:00 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Dec 7 10:45:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Amethystine agate References: Message-ID: <003501c5fb4c$e48a91e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Please respond to Ben off-List as he is not a List member. John Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Amethystine agate > Pete, > > Hello, My name is Ben . I'm a rockhounder in Arizona, or as I say, a > "stone-dawg". I noticed your discussion (2 years ago) as posted on the > web about "amethystine agate". I thought I'd mention that my friend and I > have discovered a vein of purple agate at Burro Creek (which is actually > famous for purple agate), which has produced some nice specimen that may > be very close to an amethystine color and quality. I have attached a > couple pictures for your viewing. Do you know of anyone who would be > interested in obtaining a few of these slabs for a reasonable price? > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/jpeg > image/jpeg > image/jpeg > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 7 10:56:29 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 7 10:56:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amethystine agate Message-ID: <120720051856.344.4397305D00036B7C00000158216028074807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Ben, I think the "List" removed your attachments, because it doesn't support sending those. If you like, please, send them to me off-list, at, why don't you send them to this address, pjmodreski@usgs.gov . P.S., I just looked online and found some Burro Creek agate slabs listed for sale & pictured, at http://www.greatslabs.com/slabs_agate-burro-creek.shtml is "greatslabs" you? If so, I guess I've already seen the pictures! I was also going to say, my experience on the Rockhounds List is, when someone mentions something interesting that they have to sell or trade, there are usually a number of people who are eager to jump right in and get some. I've never been to Burro Creek, as I read about it, that way off in western AZ, between Wickenburg & Kingman, right? Sincerely, Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from BDeRidder@wcrl.ars.usda.gov: -------------- > Pete, > > Hello, My name is Ben . I'm a rockhounder in Arizona, or as I say, a > "stone-dawg". I noticed your discussion (2 years ago) as posted on the > web about "amethystine agate". I thought I'd mention that my friend and I > have discovered a vein of purple agate at Burro Creek (which is actually > famous for purple agate), which has produced some nice specimen that may > be very close to an amethystine color and quality. I have attached a > couple pictures for your viewing. Do you know of anyone who would be > interested in obtaining a few of these slabs for a reasonable price? > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/jpeg > image/jpeg > image/jpeg > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Wed Dec 7 10:59:14 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Dec 7 10:59:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <43972AD0.6020308@hal-pc.org> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> <439702D6.5080204@att.net> <43972AD0.6020308@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <43973102.5030607@att.net> jabac wrote: > Al Balmer wrote: > >> Tim Fisher wrote: >> >>> You can probably get Mapsource Topo US for much less, and the maps >>> are directly uploadable to your 76C :) >> >> >> The prices are roughly the same, and each has features the other >> doesn't. For my use, the Delorme product is much more useful. If most >> of your GPS use is on foot, probably the Garmin maps are better. >> > > How about uploading a Delorme Topo to a Garmin or Magellan? (I'm > speaking of the hand-held units here.) I know the easiest way is to load > the map directly into a memory card and then insert the card into the > GPS. But will either GPS "read" the Delorme map? That's what I meant by "If most of your GPS use is on foot ..." For me, I mostly use the GPS in a vehicle, and rely on the Delorme maps on a laptop. > > Both Garmin and Magellan explicitly say to use their proprietary maps > for uploads. Not surprising ;-) Delorme does provide a way to upload and download route information to/from the GPS. Go to http://www.delorme.com/topousa/whitepapers.asp and read the "GPS Hiking" topic for an example of using the Delorme software for both mapped trails and created trails. From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 7 11:05:37 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 7 11:05:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amethystine agate Message-ID: <120720051905.12249.4397327F0006A56700002FD9216028074807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> John, I didn't read your Administrator's message before I clicked & sent this in to the List. But, I gave that link with pictures for everyone, of what that Burro Creek agate looks like if anyone wants to see it (probably those who are real interested in agate, know about this material). I will forward my email reply off-line, to Ben. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Dec 7 12:25:25 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:25:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <43973102.5030607@att.net> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> <439702D6.5080204@att.net> <43972AD0.6020308@hal-pc.org> <43973102.5030607@att.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051207122339.0369bb00@orerockon.com> If the software supports the units' map format, then "yes". If not, then "no". Garmin does not "support" any software other than Mapsource (also not very surprising lol). At 10:59 AM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >jabac wrote: >>Al Balmer wrote: >> >>>Tim Fisher wrote: >>> >>>>You can probably get Mapsource Topo US for much less, and the >>>>maps are directly uploadable to your 76C :) >>> >>> >>>The prices are roughly the same, and each has features the other >>>doesn't. For my use, the Delorme product is much more useful. If >>>most of your GPS use is on foot, probably the Garmin maps are better. >>How about uploading a Delorme Topo to a Garmin or Magellan? (I'm >>speaking of the hand-held units here.) I know the easiest way is to >>load the map directly into a memory card and then insert the card >>into the GPS. But will either GPS "read" the Delorme map? > >That's what I meant by "If most of your GPS use is on foot ..." For >me, I mostly use the GPS in a vehicle, and rely on the Delorme maps >on a laptop. >>Both Garmin and Magellan explicitly say to use their proprietary >>maps for uploads. > >Not surprising ;-) > >Delorme does provide a way to upload and download route information >to/from the GPS. Go to >http://www.delorme.com/topousa/whitepapers.asp and read the "GPS >Hiking" topic for an example of using the Delorme software for both >mapped trails and created trails. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Dec 7 13:25:32 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Dec 7 13:25:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206075758.035d1030@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20051207051800.035c8d40@orerockon.com> <439702D6.5080204@att.net> <43972AD0.6020308@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <005401c5fb74$c1254330$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Most of the time, we will be using the GPS in the car, and feeding the location into our laptop so we can "see" where we are or where to go. Only a small percentage of the time would we be using the GPS unit as a handheld out in the "field" but we definitely want that capability. Boy, if trees and/or cloud cover gives cheap GPS units a hard time finding their satellites, we'll need a very good one to use down here in the southern woods. Jeanette From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Dec 7 14:40:25 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Dec 7 14:40:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info In-Reply-To: <005401c5fb74$c1254330$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: I will also be using it for fishing! Glenn From: "Jeanette Wimpee" <geenet2@mchsi.com> Most of the time, we will be using the GPS in the car, and feeding the location into our laptop so we can "see" where we are or where to go. Only a small percentage of the time would we be using the GPS unit as a handheld out in the "field" but we definitely want that capability. Boy, if trees and/or cloud cover gives cheap GPS units a hard time finding their satellites, we'll need a very good one to use down here in the southern woods. Jeanette ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Dec 8 16:04:49 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Dec 8 16:04:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS info References: <001e01c5fb9b$d36918b0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <001201c5fc54$2c1ae660$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> You guys are a treasure trove of information! Thanks for all the help. Jeanette From bova at mindspring.com Fri Dec 9 10:01:39 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Fri Dec 9 10:00:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Collecting - Eastern US Message-ID: This may be an odd question, but I haven't been on the east coast for 20 years, and that was before I started rocking. I'm taking it for granted that the northeastern territory is off the list. So, other than heading west to a desert, are there any places where winter collecting is possible? Thanks! Carol Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary www.eclecticlapidary.com From rocknate at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:10:54 2005 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Fri Dec 9 11:10:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Collecting - Eastern US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carol, Check out the Georgia Mineral Society website. They list last year's collecting trips and it includes wintertime trips. For example, last January they went to Graves Mountain. Check out their list at http://www.gamineral.org/PFieldT-main.htm Last spring I used this information to schedule a Boston Mineral Club trip to Graves Mountain in April. One day was not enough but it did whet my appetite for more. Personally, my best collecting of the year usually takes place in January at the Boston Mineral Club's annual auction. This year it is on Saturday, 21 January. Anyone close enough to Boston, MA to have an interest should contact me off list and I will email you a flier. Admission is free and you don't have to be a club member to attend. I have "collected" some amazing specimens at BMC auctions at very reasonable prices over the years. My other wintertime "collecting" takes place in my basement and garage as I finally begin to sort through all of the material that I have collected during the New England collecting season. It's probably a good thing that 4 month's of the year are less hospitable to field collecting in New England. Otherwise, the piles of rock would just keep growing. I'm really looking forward to taking a closer look at the material and finding out what I really found this year. Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 12/9/05, Carol J. Bova wrote: > This may be an odd question, but I haven't been on the east coast for > 20 years, and that was before I started rocking. I'm taking it for > granted that the northeastern territory is off the list. > > So, other than heading west to a desert, are there any places where > winter collecting is possible? > Thanks! > Carol > > Carol J. Bova > The Eclectic Lapidary > www.eclecticlapidary.com > From jsmall47 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 04:21:06 2005 From: jsmall47 at earthlink.net (Jim Small) Date: Sat Dec 10 04:19:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Winter Collecting - Eastern US In-Reply-To: <200512100202.jBA22ba7031988@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512100202.jBA22ba7031988@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051210071541.0258ce28@mail.earthlink.net> Carol - If you head south, as with the Georgia club collecting, be sure to check out http://www.wncrocks.com/ This web site includes the home page of MAGMA, the Mountain Area Gem and Mineral Association. Rick Jacquot, one of the main movers of MAGMA, has field trips throughout the year. There are normally trips at least every other weekend. For my own part, I lived in the northeast for decades, and the Winter months are not really for field trips there. KOR, Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary From bova at mindspring.com Sat Dec 10 08:04:18 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Sat Dec 10 08:02:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Collecting - Eastern US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9EB00B12-6996-11DA-9D2B-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Nate and Jim, Thank you both for the excellent references! I gave each a short look, and I'm going back to read more in depth. It's really sad to see all the sites now closed to collecting that are listed on the MAGMA site, but that's important info to have. I appreciate your help! Carol Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary http://www.eclecticlapidary.com On Saturday, December 10, 2005, at 07:21 AM, Jim Small wrote: > Carol - > If you head south, as with the Georgia club collecting, be sure to > check out http://www.wncrocks.com/ This web site includes the home > page of MAGMA, the Mountain Area Gem and Mineral Association. Rick > Jacquot, one of the main movers of MAGMA, has field trips throughout > the year. There are normally trips at least every other weekend. For > my own part, I lived in the northeast for decades, and the Winter > months are not really for field trips there. > On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 02:10 PM, Nathan Martin wrote: > Carol, > > Check out the Georgia Mineral Society website. They list last year's > collecting trips and it includes wintertime trips. For example, last > January they went to Graves Mountain. Check out their list at > http://www.gamineral.org/PFieldT-main.htm > Last spring I used this information to schedule a Boston Mineral Club > trip to Graves Mountain in April. One day was not enough but it did > whet my appetite for more. > > Personally, my best collecting of the year usually takes place in > January at the Boston Mineral Club's annual auction. This year it is > on Saturday, 21 January. Anyone close enough to Boston, MA to have an > interest should contact me off list and I will email you a flier. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sat Dec 10 08:21:27 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sat Dec 10 08:21:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Message-ID: <439B0087.5000307@tenforward.com> Hi All, I've read and heard varying reports and would like to know the "truth" regarding the phosphorescence of Terlingua, Texas calcite... exactly how long does it last (by this I mean to the naked unaided eye)? Does calcite from this area produce a best case scenario from a certain mine or time period, depth within the mine, etc. As a second question, from your experience, what produces the longest, brightest phosphorescence (minerals preferred, but if you know a great "other", I'd very much welcome learning of it too!). Thank you very much for your time and efforts. All the very best, John From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 10 13:35:31 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 10 13:35:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Message-ID: <121020052135.26096.439B4A2100083625000065F0216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> John, I'm going to jump right in and give a first (partial) answer, knowing that others (I'm looking at Don, and Earl V.) may have some more precise information to share. That "how long can it be seen" is in truth a difficult question, because the phosphoresence continually and gradually, following a mathematical law, becomes weaker and weaker, and its visibility would depend very much on the darkness of the viewing area, acuity of the viewer's eyes, and the extent to which the viewer is completely dark-adapted. Under very careful conditions, the time of visibility would surely be many times as long, as under "average, casual" conditions; i.e., hours, vs. minutes. A "classic" study was published back in 1950 about this, by the authors, Millson and Millson, "Observation on exceptional duration of mineral phosphorescence". I don't have a copy of the article at hand right now, but they used very ideal observing conditions (and photography too) and reported phosphorescence of various minerals extending to hundreds of hours. (And I'm not offhand sure if their "hundreds of hours" observations were just from photography, which of course doesn't count for "how long visible to the naked eye".) From my own experience, under reasonably good and dark conditions, I think some willemite from Franklin/Sterling Hill may exceed Terlingua calcite for time of visible phosphoresence; but for readily viewable, relatively BRIGHT phosphoresence, I think Terlingua calcite is probably about the best, but this only extends to a few minutes (to 5 or 10, perhaps?). My guess is that some synethetic materials may phosphoresce longer than any natural minerals, but I'll leave it to someone else who thinks he has an authoritative answer. One has to be sure that one is talking about true phosphorescence (luminescence after exposure to light), and not luminescence due to a long-continued chemical reaction (chemiluminescence, e.g., "glow sticks") or radioactivity (radium-dial watches). Pete -------------- Original message from John and Gloria Cornish : -------------- > Hi All, > > I've read and heard varying reports and would like to know the "truth" > regarding the phosphorescence of Terlingua, Texas calcite... exactly how > long does it last (by this I mean to the naked unaided eye)? Does > calcite from this area produce a best case scenario from a certain mine > or time period, depth within the mine, etc. > > As a second question, from your experience, what produces the longest, > brightest phosphorescence (minerals preferred, but if you know a great > "other", I'd very much welcome learning of it too!). Thank you very much > for your time and efforts. All the very best, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 14:54:07 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 10 14:54:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Collecting - Eastern US In-Reply-To: <9EB00B12-6996-11DA-9D2B-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Depending on how far south and your interests, Fort Drum in Florida produces lots of fossils with calcite inclusions. There is a collecting trip to Diamond Hill Mine in South Carolina Dec 17, Trip Chairman is Jim Maudsley at jamesm@charter.net. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Create your own custom mailing list called Groups with MSN Hotmail ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 17:13:32 2005 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Sat Dec 10 17:13:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GPS off list question Message-ID: <20051211011332.18702.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I plan on putting a GPS unit on my website for purchase. I would like some feedback from all the users on which model they like and why. Also, is one brand better than another? Thanks for all the input. June jayhawkmn@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Sat Dec 10 17:19:15 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Dec 10 17:19:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051210080234.042c02f0@incoming.verizon.net> Hi List, Here's a trip report that came up a failure, but the process was very pleasant. Note: the links below are not rockhound related; they just embellish the trip report. A few weeks ago Bill and I were in the tiny town of Kapa'au, near the slightly larger tiny town of Hawi (OK, Hawi is a toenail town, and Kapa'au is a thumbnail, or maybe a pinkynail), on the north shore of the Big Island. We were in The Kohala Book Shop, which has the largest inventory of used books in the state of Hawaii ( http://www.kohalabooks.com/ ), and met a fellow named Jummy Bos, who is one of those interesting "characters" who is obviously smart, and---by his own admission---a bit weird and eccentric. Later the book shop owner told us he is the pre-eminent naturalist of the Big Island, perhaps the state. When Jimmy found that we are rockhounds, he told us we should try to get permission to go to the quarry just up the road at Pali a ka moa, where aragonite had been found. Aragonite in Hawaii? Well, we know that there is calcite in caves on Oahu, Kauai and here on the Big Island, so maybe aragonite is possible. So we began the search for a way to get permission to reach the quarry. It took a few calls and visits to various landowners and a real estate broker to find out that the quarry is part of the historic Bond Homestead and Old Girls School property: ( http://www.masonarch.com/projects/preservation/bond.html ), which is now owned by the New Moon Foundation: ( http://www.newmoonfoundation.org/ ) . After finally establishing e-mail communication, and a couple of weeks of matching schedules, we agreed on last Thursday, Dec. 1st as the date for the excursion. It's a 2-hour drive from our home in Hilo to Kapa'au, and then another 15 minutes to reach the Foundation's office on the old Bond Estate. There we received a warm welcome from some of the foundation staff, and a delightful young woman named Puanani Cravalho climbed into her 1/2-ton 4WD pick-up truck to lead us to the quarry. We followed in our elderly Mitsubishi Montero. The drive involved bouncing over lumpy pastures, winding through groves of koa trees, going through 3 ranch gates and crossing a stream. Along the way herds of sheep and cows looked up with mild curiosity; they ignored Puanani's familiar green truck but concentrated on the strange white SUV that followed. We stopped at the edge of a stream that was too muddy and rocky for even the 4WD's to cross without danger of getting stuck, and proceeded on foot, hopping across the stream from rock to rock. We entered a huge grove of trees and immediately it was like moving into a different world. Outside the meadows were sunny and green, with flies and bees buzzing, cows mooing, and a view to the ocean in the distance about 1500 feet (500 meters) below. As we stepped into the forest it turned cool, the air felt damp and humid, and small ferns crunched under our feet. We heard various bird's chirping and calling, the most impressive being the Chinese Thrush, which creates astonishingly varied melodies. Puanani pointed ahead to the quarry, gave us keys to the ranch gates for our return, bid us happy hunting, and departed. We proceeded deeper into the woods and began to see signs of old digging snaking through the trees in a giant "S" curve. Many of the trees were ironwood, so the ground was covered in their needles that look like pine (but are not). There were boulders covered with moss and ferns. Filtered sunlight reached leaves and fronds here and there making flashes of green that moved in a light breeze. The old digging had produced hollows and pits and tailing piles. Bill (a mountain goat in a previous incarnation) clambered up and over and around with astonishing speed and balance (especially considering he has an artificial hip), while I moved slowly, poking into nooks and crannies. The material seemed to be simple basalt, in various sized boulders, and much smaller rubble. Much of it was weathered to different colors, and covered with lichen and other organic growths. We found two places where large trees had fallen, their roots extended into the air, exposing rocks beneath. This material was not weathered like that elsewhere, and was dry and somewhat powdery on the surface, would break or crumble easily, and was several different pastel colors: gray, tan, orange, yellow, pinkish. The color was not just on the surface but consistent all the way through as seen in pieces that broke in two. It reminded me of material we'd seen at Sulphur Banks in the Volcano Park, but there was no evidence of fumerole or steam vent activity here. Eventually Bill found a place where several large basalt chunks bore white to yellowish-white patches. He thought that someone might mistake these for aragonite if they didn't examine them very closely. He did, and decided that the material was a crust of some sort, perhaps of organic origin. I'm not sure this solves the mystery of the alleged aragonite, but we certainly didn't find anything else to account for the claim. We sat on a log to eat our lunch, enjoying the silence punctuated occasionally by bird song. We wandered about and found a very old, rusted-out back-hoe that had probably been used for the most recent quarrying, maybe 50 years ago. Finally we headed back towards the muddy/rocky stream, stepped out from the dark shade of the forest into the brilliant sunshine of the pastures and reached our car. On the way back we encountered a flock of about 20 wild turkeys---female---with two males puffing and displaying their feathers in classic style, parading slowly like great galleons on the sea....no doubt they all were grateful they had made it past Thanksgiving! We returned the keys to the Blue Moon Foundation office, thanked the people there (especially Puanani), and Bill promised them a guided tour of the telescopes on Mauna Kea at some future date. Some would say our quest for the purported aragonite was a failure and a lot of trouble for no results. But we felt it was a superb day, pleasant in every way! Aloha, Kitty From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Sat Dec 10 19:38:19 2005 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Sat Dec 10 19:38:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051210080234.042c02f0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001301c5fe04$56a93060$665fe842@Titans> Ahhh Kitty, what a wonderful day that was for you two, have you ever considered wring a book...you have such a nice easy style and don't seem to miss a thing regardless of how small it may be, very well done, thank you for a nice several minutes spent reading your story. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure > Hi List, > > Here's a trip report that came up a failure, but the process was very > pleasant. Note: the links below are not rockhound related; they just > embellish the trip report. > > A few weeks ago Bill and I were in the tiny town of Kapa'au, near the > slightly larger tiny town of Hawi (OK, Hawi is a toenail town, and Kapa'au > is a thumbnail, or maybe a pinkynail), on the north shore of the Big > Island. We were in The Kohala Book Shop, which has the largest inventory > of used books in the state of Hawaii ( http://www.kohalabooks.com/ ), and > met a fellow named Jummy Bos, who is one of those interesting "characters" > who is obviously smart, and---by his own admission---a bit weird and > eccentric. Later the book shop owner told us he is the pre-eminent > naturalist of the Big Island, perhaps the state. When Jimmy found that we > are rockhounds, he told us we should try to get permission to go to the > quarry just up the road at Pali a ka moa, where aragonite had been found. > Aragonite in Hawaii? Well, we know that there is calcite in caves on > Oahu, Kauai and here on the Big Island, so maybe aragonite is possible. > > So we began the search for a way to get permission to reach the quarry. > It took a few calls and visits to various landowners and a real estate > broker to find out that the quarry is part of the historic Bond Homestead > and Old Girls School property: > ( http://www.masonarch.com/projects/preservation/bond.html ), which is > now owned by the New Moon Foundation: > ( http://www.newmoonfoundation.org/ ) . After finally establishing > e-mail communication, and a couple of weeks of matching schedules, we > agreed on last Thursday, Dec. 1st as the date for the excursion. It's a > 2-hour drive from our home in Hilo to Kapa'au, and then another 15 minutes > to reach the Foundation's office on the old Bond Estate. There we > received a warm welcome from some of the foundation staff, and a > delightful young woman named Puanani Cravalho climbed into her 1/2-ton 4WD > pick-up truck to lead us to the quarry. We followed in our elderly > Mitsubishi Montero. The drive involved bouncing over lumpy pastures, > winding through groves of koa trees, going through 3 ranch gates and > crossing a stream. Along the way herds of sheep and cows looked up with > mild curiosity; they ignored Puanani's familiar green truck but > concentrated on the strange white SUV that followed. We stopped at the > edge of a stream that was too muddy and rocky for even the 4WD's to cross > without danger of getting stuck, and proceeded on foot, hopping across the > stream from rock to rock. We entered a huge grove of trees and > immediately it was like moving into a different world. Outside the > meadows were sunny and green, with flies and bees buzzing, cows mooing, > and a view to the ocean in the distance about 1500 feet (500 meters) > below. As we stepped into the forest it turned cool, the air felt damp > and humid, and small ferns crunched under our feet. We heard various > bird's chirping and calling, the most impressive being the Chinese Thrush, > which creates astonishingly varied melodies. > > Puanani pointed ahead to the quarry, gave us keys to the ranch gates for > our return, bid us happy hunting, and departed. We proceeded deeper into > the woods and began to see signs of old digging snaking through the trees > in a giant "S" curve. Many of the trees were ironwood, so the ground was > covered in their needles that look like pine (but are not). There were > boulders covered with moss and ferns. Filtered sunlight reached leaves > and fronds here and there making flashes of green that moved in a light > breeze. The old digging had produced hollows and pits and tailing piles. > Bill (a mountain goat in a previous incarnation) clambered up and over and > around with astonishing speed and balance (especially considering he has > an artificial hip), while I moved slowly, poking into nooks and crannies. > The material seemed to be simple basalt, in various sized boulders, and > much smaller rubble. Much of it was weathered to different colors, and > covered with lichen and other organic growths. We found two places where > large trees had fallen, their roots extended into the air, exposing rocks > beneath. This material was not weathered like that elsewhere, and was dry > and somewhat powdery on the surface, would break or crumble easily, and > was several different pastel colors: gray, tan, orange, yellow, pinkish. > The color was not just on the surface but consistent all the way through > as seen in pieces that broke in two. It reminded me of material we'd seen > at Sulphur Banks in the Volcano Park, but there was no evidence of > fumerole or steam vent activity here. > > Eventually Bill found a place where several large basalt chunks bore white > to yellowish-white patches. He thought that someone might mistake these > for aragonite if they didn't examine them very closely. He did, and > decided that the material was a crust of some sort, perhaps of organic > origin. I'm not sure this solves the mystery of the alleged aragonite, > but we certainly didn't find anything else to account for the claim. > > We sat on a log to eat our lunch, enjoying the silence punctuated > occasionally by bird song. We wandered about and found a very old, > rusted-out back-hoe that had probably been used for the most recent > quarrying, maybe 50 years ago. Finally we headed back towards the > muddy/rocky stream, stepped out from the dark shade of the forest into the > brilliant sunshine of the pastures and reached our car. On the way back > we encountered a flock of about 20 wild turkeys---female---with two males > puffing and displaying their feathers in classic style, parading slowly > like great galleons on the sea....no doubt they all were grateful they had > made it past Thanksgiving! > > We returned the keys to the Blue Moon Foundation office, thanked the > people there (especially Puanani), and Bill promised them a guided tour of > the telescopes on Mauna Kea at some future date. > > Some would say our quest for the purported aragonite was a failure and a > lot of trouble for no results. But we felt it was a superb day, pleasant > in every way! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From diente at prismnet.com Sat Dec 10 20:59:40 2005 From: diente at prismnet.com (diente@prismnet.com) Date: Sat Dec 10 21:00:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <439B0087.5000307@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <439B5DDC.9081.E73C972@localhost> Hi, John. In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting phosphorescence, but for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively quickly......a dramatic change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The Terlingua type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they are prettier in daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my best from Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of yellow fluorescing calcite). There are some Terlingua type calcites from the Llano/Lampassas, Texas area that phosphoresce about twice as long as the "real" Terlingua. Now the longest lasting phosphorescent specimens I have are some willemites from the Franklin N.J. area, and some Afghani hackmanites. However, these aren't as dramatic, and not nearly as bright. >From what I understand, most if not all of the famous Terlingua calcites came from the Little 38 mine. This has been reclaimed and most of the best was crushed for road base relatively recently. I have photos of the Terlingua calcite mentioned above, and also of the Boquillas calcite, if you are interested. Paul Bordovsky Austin, TX Hi All, > > I've read and heard varying reports and would like to know the "truth" > regarding the phosphorescence of Terlingua, Texas calcite... exactly > how long does it last (by this I mean to the naked unaided eye)? Does > calcite from this area produce a best case scenario from a certain > mine or time period, depth within the mine, etc. > > As a second question, from your experience, what produces the longest, > brightest phosphorescence (minerals preferred, but if you know a great > "other", I'd very much welcome learning of it too!). Thank you very > much for your time and efforts. All the very best, > > John > > From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Dec 10 21:31:20 2005 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Dec 10 21:31:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <439B5DDC.9081.E73C972@localhost> References: <439B5DDC.9081.E73C972@localhost> Message-ID: <439BB9A8.7020207@verizon.net> diente@prismnet.com wrote: > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting phosphorescence, but > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively quickly......a dramatic > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The Terlingua > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they are prettier in > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my best from > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of yellow > fluorescing calcite). Paul, There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't understand. I couldn't believe it. Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited time and we had other priorities. So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. Regards, Don From diente at prismnet.com Sat Dec 10 22:02:32 2005 From: diente at prismnet.com (diente@prismnet.com) Date: Sat Dec 10 22:02:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <439BB9A8.7020207@verizon.net> References: <439B5DDC.9081.E73C972@localhost> Message-ID: <439B6C98.13336.EAD585F@localhost> There is some longlasting glow. But I was referring to the "wow" factor of the initial phosphorescence and fading as being in the seconds......and that this contributed to the fame of Terlingua stuff. But since that wasn't actually what John asked about, I may have been unclear, and confused the issue. Paul > diente@prismnet.com wrote: > > > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting > > phosphorescence, but for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that > > fades relatively quickly......a dramatic change from light to dark. > > The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The Terlingua type calcites > > from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they are > > prettier in daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. > > (Although my best from Telingua looks like a field of stars > > surrounded by a secondary growth of yellow fluorescing calcite). > > > Paul, > > There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" > Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an > example. > However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo > Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting > phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I > found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me > samples of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a > few minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I > wake up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I > also had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my > old house where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock > in the morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I > am staring at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright > and said "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to > it and realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline > you can muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something > you don't understand. I couldn't believe it. > > Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, > elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's > possible, but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this > best of all possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal > human eye is most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for > those measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which > phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem > to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it > glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. > There are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what > is called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay > curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer > than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT > calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited > time and we had other priorities. > > So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete > answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and > legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and > publish it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it > is likely it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well > all know it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's > not that difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces > of the minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone > with access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. > > I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on > campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking > around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get > one, but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be > difficult to justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get > some nice scopes. > > > Regards, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 05:31:46 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Dec 11 05:31:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip: a pleasent failure Message-ID: <20051211133146.20347.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all: Kitty, Bill, I enjoyed reading about your prospecting trip. Like fishing, they don't call it catchin'! Dan Kebles and I always have a plan on any field trip, rock adventures Danny likes to call 'em. But sometimes the plan doesn't work! and then it's best to just enjoy what you do find and see, there's usually always something nice to learn or see, wild turkeys not least of all. JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sun Dec 11 06:54:53 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sun Dec 11 06:54:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure Message-ID: <121120051454.24547.439C3DBC0002251000005FE3216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Kitty, I also enjoyed reading your little story about the didn't-find-anything field trip; thanks for sharing it. The white patches you found on the rocks could, I guess, have either been something organic as you say, or, they could indeed have been crusts of aragonite, a coating deposited by groundwater; like the "caliche" we get out west here. Testing it with a drop of HCl would be a way to find out if was a carbonate mineral deposit. Such crusts are often assumed to be aragonite, but in fact, I think they can be either calcite or aragonite. Another interesting thing is to look at them with a UV light; both secondary carbonate crusts, and lichens or other "organic stuff", often fluoresce and/or phosphoresce, so that doesn't prove anything, just might be interesting though. Little white patches of crud, of course, aren't normally anything anyone would want to collect and bring home, for any reason. Though sometimes, when a carbonate deposit like this forms a thick enough crust, filling in fracture space in rocks, it can form interesting, stalactitic or botryoidal growth forms, and then it can in fact become something that looks "worth taking home"; I know a have a few such specimens, from various localities (plus, they are likely to be fluorescent). Thinking about "what's worth taking home?", leads to some thoughts about why we do think some things are worth collecting or not. Often, our aesthetics are that only well-crystallized minerals are worth collecting; but we make exceptions and do still collect prehnite, turquoise, variscite, hematite "kidney ore", malachite, agate and chalcedony, and others. Obviously there are a lot of factors involved, which everyone knows; color, hardness, durability, transparency or translucency, luster, interesting and curious shape, rarity, and even, scientific value; that make a specimen cross the line (or, not) between "ugly stuff on a rock" and a mineral worth collecting. [But I do understand that anything you found at that Pali a ka moa quarry, was way below that line!] aloha, Pete -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > Hi List, > > Here's a trip report that came up a failure, but the process was very > pleasant. Note: the links below are not rockhound related; they just > embellish the trip report. > > A few weeks ago Bill and I were in the tiny town of Kapa'au, near the > slightly larger tiny town of Hawi (OK, Hawi is a toenail town, and Kapa'au > is a thumbnail, or maybe a pinkynail), on the north shore of the Big > Island. ... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sun Dec 11 07:30:36 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 11 07:30:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051210080234.042c02f0@incoming.verizon.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051210080234.042c02f0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <439C461C.5080708@tenforward.com> Hi Kitty, No trip is a failure as your report so aptly reflects; treasure is wonderful, but often the true treasure is the experience! Thanks for a wonderful read full of imagery and wonder. All the very best, John Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi List, > > Here's a trip report that came up a failure, but the process was very > pleasant. Note: the links below are not rockhound related; they > just embellish the trip report. > > A few weeks ago Bill and I were in the tiny town of Kapa'au, near the > slightly larger tiny town of Hawi (OK, Hawi is a toenail town, and > Kapa'au is a thumbnail, or maybe a pinkynail), on the north shore of > the Big Island. We were in The Kohala Book Shop, which has the > largest inventory of used books in the state of Hawaii ( > http://www.kohalabooks.com/ ), and met a fellow named Jummy Bos, who > is one of those interesting "characters" who is obviously smart, > and---by his own admission---a bit weird and eccentric. Later the > book shop owner told us he is the pre-eminent naturalist of the Big > Island, perhaps the state. When Jimmy found that we are rockhounds, > he told us we should try to get permission to go to the quarry just up > the road at Pali a ka moa, where aragonite had been found. Aragonite > in Hawaii? Well, we know that there is calcite in caves on Oahu, > Kauai and here on the Big Island, so maybe aragonite is possible. > > So we began the search for a way to get permission to reach the > quarry. It took a few calls and visits to various landowners and a > real estate broker to find out that the quarry is part of the historic > Bond Homestead and Old Girls School property: > ( http://www.masonarch.com/projects/preservation/bond.html ), which > is now owned by the New Moon Foundation: > ( http://www.newmoonfoundation.org/ ) . After finally establishing > e-mail communication, and a couple of weeks of matching schedules, we > agreed on last Thursday, Dec. 1st as the date for the excursion. It's > a 2-hour drive from our home in Hilo to Kapa'au, and then another 15 > minutes to reach the Foundation's office on the old Bond Estate. > There we received a warm welcome from some of the foundation staff, > and a delightful young woman named Puanani Cravalho climbed into her > 1/2-ton 4WD pick-up truck to lead us to the quarry. We followed in > our elderly Mitsubishi Montero. The drive involved bouncing over > lumpy pastures, winding through groves of koa trees, going through 3 > ranch gates and crossing a stream. Along the way herds of sheep and > cows looked up with mild curiosity; they ignored Puanani's familiar > green truck but concentrated on the strange white SUV that followed. > We stopped at the edge of a stream that was too muddy and rocky for > even the 4WD's to cross without danger of getting stuck, and proceeded > on foot, hopping across the stream from rock to rock. We entered a > huge grove of trees and immediately it was like moving into a > different world. Outside the meadows were sunny and green, with flies > and bees buzzing, cows mooing, and a view to the ocean in the distance > about 1500 feet (500 meters) below. As we stepped into the forest it > turned cool, the air felt damp and humid, and small ferns crunched > under our feet. We heard various bird's chirping and calling, the > most impressive being the Chinese Thrush, which creates astonishingly > varied melodies. > > Puanani pointed ahead to the quarry, gave us keys to the ranch gates > for our return, bid us happy hunting, and departed. We proceeded > deeper into the woods and began to see signs of old digging snaking > through the trees in a giant "S" curve. Many of the trees were > ironwood, so the ground was covered in their needles that look like > pine (but are not). There were boulders covered with moss and ferns. > Filtered sunlight reached leaves and fronds here and there making > flashes of green that moved in a light breeze. The old digging had > produced hollows and pits and tailing piles. Bill (a mountain goat in > a previous incarnation) clambered up and over and around with > astonishing speed and balance (especially considering he has an > artificial hip), while I moved slowly, poking into nooks and > crannies. The material seemed to be simple basalt, in various sized > boulders, and much smaller rubble. Much of it was weathered to > different colors, and covered with lichen and other organic growths. > We found two places where large trees had fallen, their roots extended > into the air, exposing rocks beneath. This material was not weathered > like that elsewhere, and was dry and somewhat powdery on the surface, > would break or crumble easily, and was several different pastel > colors: gray, tan, orange, yellow, pinkish. The color was not just > on the surface but consistent all the way through as seen in pieces > that broke in two. It reminded me of material we'd seen at Sulphur > Banks in the Volcano Park, but there was no evidence of fumerole or > steam vent activity here. > > Eventually Bill found a place where several large basalt chunks bore > white to yellowish-white patches. He thought that someone might > mistake these for aragonite if they didn't examine them very closely. > He did, and decided that the material was a crust of some sort, > perhaps of organic origin. I'm not sure this solves the mystery of > the alleged aragonite, but we certainly didn't find anything else to > account for the claim. > > We sat on a log to eat our lunch, enjoying the silence punctuated > occasionally by bird song. We wandered about and found a very old, > rusted-out back-hoe that had probably been used for the most recent > quarrying, maybe 50 years ago. Finally we headed back towards the > muddy/rocky stream, stepped out from the dark shade of the forest into > the brilliant sunshine of the pastures and reached our car. On the > way back we encountered a flock of about 20 wild > turkeys---female---with two males puffing and displaying their > feathers in classic style, parading slowly like great galleons on the > sea....no doubt they all were grateful they had made it past > Thanksgiving! > > We returned the keys to the Blue Moon Foundation office, thanked the > people there (especially Puanani), and Bill promised them a guided > tour of the telescopes on Mauna Kea at some future date. > > Some would say our quest for the purported aragonite was a failure and > a lot of trouble for no results. But we felt it was a superb day, > pleasant in every way! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Paintricks at aol.com Sun Dec 11 07:37:39 2005 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 11 07:37:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for broken turquoise pieces. Message-ID: <29c.18efa43.30cda1c3@aol.com> I'm looking for pieces of broken and cracked turquoise for my sister. She prefers tile shapes but raw uncuts will work. Lemme know if anyone out ther can gettem. Thanks, Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Dec 11 09:19:37 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Dec 11 09:19:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <439B5DDC.9081.E73C972@localhost> Message-ID: Hi John These effect occur in many Belgian calcites too but seldom in large areas. I have a slide some where of a strong yellow fluorescing calcite with small flecks of pink fluorescence in long wave and blue in short wave. Same PH. I wonder whether the yellow could be due to dysprosium 3+.... Considering the pink and blue are caused by Cerium and europium which are REE, dysprosium can't be far away either. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens diente@prismnet.com Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:00 Aan: John and Gloria Cornish; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Hi, John. In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting phosphorescence, but for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively quickly......a dramatic change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The Terlingua type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they are prettier in daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my best from Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of yellow fluorescing calcite). There are some Terlingua type calcites from the Llano/Lampassas, Texas area that phosphoresce about twice as long as the "real" Terlingua. Now the longest lasting phosphorescent specimens I have are some willemites from the Franklin N.J. area, and some Afghani hackmanites. However, these aren't as dramatic, and not nearly as bright. >From what I understand, most if not all of the famous Terlingua calcites came from the Little 38 mine. This has been reclaimed and most of the best was crushed for road base relatively recently. I have photos of the Terlingua calcite mentioned above, and also of the Boquillas calcite, if you are interested. Paul Bordovsky Austin, TX Hi All, > > I've read and heard varying reports and would like to know the "truth" > regarding the phosphorescence of Terlingua, Texas calcite... exactly > how long does it last (by this I mean to the naked unaided eye)? Does > calcite from this area produce a best case scenario from a certain > mine or time period, depth within the mine, etc. > > As a second question, from your experience, what produces the longest, > brightest phosphorescence (minerals preferred, but if you know a great > "other", I'd very much welcome learning of it too!). Thank you very > much for your time and efforts. All the very best, > > John > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com Sun Dec 11 09:30:36 2005 From: jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Sun Dec 11 09:30:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for broken turquoise pieces. In-Reply-To: <29c.18efa43.30cda1c3@aol.com> References: <29c.18efa43.30cda1c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <439C623C.4040307@jeanniusdesigns.com> you might try ebay for that..I've gotten some good deals on turquoise before...including small stuff for inlay in bags. It varies a lot price wise...the best seems to be to find someone who has acquired it from an estate sale rather than from turquoise dealers. Jeanne Jewelry pages: www.jeannius.com Family pages: www.rhodes-moen.com Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > I'm looking for pieces of broken and cracked turquoise for my sister. She > prefers tile shapes but raw uncuts will work. Lemme know if anyone out ther can > gettem. > Thanks, > Kevin > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Dec 11 11:06:31 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Dec 11 11:06:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <439BB9A8.7020207@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium Awesome phosphorescence is: Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with an analog camera. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:31 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions diente@prismnet.com wrote: > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting phosphorescence, but > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively quickly......a dramatic > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The Terlingua > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they are prettier in > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my best from > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of yellow > fluorescing calcite). Paul, There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't understand. I couldn't believe it. Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited time and we had other priorities. So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. Regards, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 11:28:19 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Dec 11 11:28:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: References: <439BB9A8.7020207@verizon.net> Message-ID: Here is a page with info about artificial phosphors: http://yarchive.net/chem/glow_in_dark.html I knew about Cadmium and Zinc Sulfide but not Strontium Sulfide BK On 12/11/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with > an > analog camera. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:31 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > diente@prismnet.com wrote: > > > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting > phosphorescence, but > > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively > quickly......a dramatic > > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The > Terlingua > > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they > are > prettier in > > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my > best > from > > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of > yellow > > fluorescing calcite). > > > Paul, > > There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" > Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. > However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo > Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting > phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I > found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples > of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few > minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake > up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also > had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house > where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the > morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring > at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said > "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and > realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can > muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't > understand. I couldn't believe it. > > Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, > elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, > but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all > possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is > most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those > measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which > phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem > to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it > glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There > are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is > called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay > curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer > than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT > calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited > time and we had other priorities. > > So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete > answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and > legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish > it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely > it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know > it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that > difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the > minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with > access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. > > I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on > campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking > around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, > but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to > justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. > > > Regards, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 11 12:57:23 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 11 12:51:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rift in Africa may be forming a new ocean Message-ID: <439C911E.4C99@Tomaszewski.net> Here are a couple articles on the news that was reported at a recent geology conference. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/12/09/international/i164014S06.DTL http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4512244.stm From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 13:53:34 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Dec 11 13:53:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rift in Africa may be forming a new ocean In-Reply-To: <439C911E.4C99@Tomaszewski.net> References: <439C911E.4C99@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I thought Nova did a show on the Great Rift and there was only a very narrow strip of land on the Red Sea coast preventing the Red Sea from inundating central Africa. IIRC they expect the sea to break thru much sooner than a million years. BK On 12/11/05, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Here are a couple articles on the news that was reported at a recent > geology conference. > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/12/09/international/i164014S06.DTL > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4512244.stm > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sun Dec 11 17:43:18 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sun Dec 11 17:43:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Message-ID: <121220050143.12481.439CD5B5000DBE9C000030C1216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> That's interesting, Axel, I thought I knew these minerals, but I really don't think I knew that those two minerals (scapolite and hackmanite, pardon me, purists, if I use the generic name that comes most naturally to me) are phosphorescent. One usually finds (or, so I thought) that most minerals phosphoresce most strongly after shortwave excitation, and those two minerals, are known for being fluorescent, longwave. Pete -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" : -------------- > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with an > analog camera. > > Cheers > > Axel > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From TomE61 at aol.com Sun Dec 11 21:27:15 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 11 21:27:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: trip: a pleasant failure Message-ID: <29f.19a9494.30ce6433@aol.com> Kitty, thanks for the great report about your "unproductive" trip. I do hope you start a trend with this posting. I think its important to let others know if certain sites don't pan out (no pun intended), especially if travel or expense are involved. And some people are JUST going for the collecting and aren't interested in anything else. On the other hand, a description of other things to see and do, and just the ability to relax and observe nature, is a pretty decent consolation, in my opinion. Your story brought back some memories for me. About a year and a half ago, I went up to Ellenville, New York to a site which purportedly had some excellent selenite crystals for the taking. Well, the site was closed to the public and power cables (with danger signs) surrounded the area so that pretty much ended that trip. So I went in search of a diner to have breakfast and came across a farm that allowed you to pick your own strawberries. A mile further down the road, an Amish family was selling farm fresh goods (milk, eggs and butter) and were in the process of milking cows when I stopped by. I have never picked fresh anything before, and the only time I saw a cow getting milked was on TV. I had a blast. The next day I was sick to my stomach from eating so many strawberries (as I was picking them) and I had a pretty nasty welt on my face when the cow's tail slapped me. I was obviously in the wrong place at the wrong time ! But I don't recall having so much fun in a long time and I'm not even vaguely disappointed about not securing any selenite. Later, I e-mailed the author of the book I referred to and told him that the site was no longer viable. The e-mail bounced as undeliverable. And so it goes. Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sun Dec 11 21:38:18 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sun Dec 11 21:38:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Message-ID: <121220050538.15357.439D0CC70008152600003BFD216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> After reading that website about the phosphors, and about zinc-cadmium sulfide being made artificially as a long-lived phosphor, I seem to remember (from personal observations), the some colorless, fluorescent sphalerite (var., "cleiophane") has very long-lived phosphorescence. Pete -------------- Original message from J Bryan Kramer : -------------- > Here is a page with info about artificial phosphors: > > http://yarchive.net/chem/glow_in_dark.html > > I knew about Cadmium and Zinc Sulfide but not Strontium Sulfide > > BK > > > On 12/11/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with > > an > > analog camera. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH > > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:31 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > > > > diente@prismnet.com wrote: > > > > > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting > > phosphorescence, but > > > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively > > quickly......a dramatic > > > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The > > Terlingua > > > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they > > are > > prettier in > > > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my > > best > > from > > > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of > > yellow > > > fluorescing calcite). > > > > > > Paul, > > > > There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" > > Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. > > However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo > > Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting > > phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I > > found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples > > of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few > > minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake > > up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also > > had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house > > where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the > > morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring > > at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said > > "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and > > realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can > > muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't > > understand. I couldn't believe it. > > > > Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, > > elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, > > but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all > > possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is > > most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those > > measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which > > phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem > > to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it > > glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There > > are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is > > called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay > > curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer > > than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT > > calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited > > time and we had other priorities. > > > > So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete > > answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and > > legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish > > it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely > > it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know > > it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that > > difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the > > minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with > > access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. > > > > I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on > > campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking > > around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, > > but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to > > justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. > > > > > > Regards, > > Don > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Dec 11 22:15:20 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon Dec 12 01:12:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: trip: a pleasant failure References: <29f.19a9494.30ce6433@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5fefc$387c4890$c73c27c4@privatehome> Hi List, Tom has spoken a very true word. In my younger days I was an engineeer here at the local iron and steelworks. Of course I also read a lot of technical journals and one article that sticks in my mind was from a German engineering-jopurnal which made a plea that "unsuccesful ventures/trials" should also be documented in order to prevent the next person to "try and reinvent the wheeel" by going along the road of the unsuccesful venture. We all learn by this. It also reminds me of the story of Thomas Edison, who when trying to find a material to make the filament of an electric globe tried various materials. After the falure of each material, he said at least that he knows that this will NOT work. He persevered until he discoverd that tungsten did the job. Horst ---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:27 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: trip: a pleasant failure > > Kitty, thanks for the great report about your "unproductive" trip. I do > hope you start a trend with this posting. > > I think its important to let others know if certain sites don't pan out > (no > pun intended), especially if travel or expense are involved. And some > people > are JUST going for the collecting and aren't interested in anything else. > > On the other hand, a description of other things to see and do, and just > the > ability to relax and observe nature, is a pretty decent consolation, in my > opinion. > > Your story brought back some memories for me. > > About a year and a half ago, I went up to Ellenville, New York to a site > which purportedly had some excellent selenite crystals for the taking. > > Well, the site was closed to the public and power cables (with danger > signs) > surrounded the area so that pretty much ended that trip. > > So I went in search of a diner to have breakfast and came across a farm > that > allowed you to pick your own strawberries. A mile further down the road, > an > Amish family was selling farm fresh goods (milk, eggs and butter) and > were > in the process of milking cows when I stopped by. I have never picked > fresh > anything before, and the only time I saw a cow getting milked was on TV. > I had > a blast. > > The next day I was sick to my stomach from eating so many strawberries (as > I > was picking them) and I had a pretty nasty welt on my face when the cow's > tail slapped me. I was obviously in the wrong place at the wrong time ! > But I > don't recall having so much fun in a long time and I'm not even vaguely > disappointed about not securing any selenite. > > Later, I e-mailed the author of the book I referred to and told him that > the > site was no longer viable. The e-mail bounced as undeliverable. And so > it > goes. > > Regards, > Tom Russell > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Dec 12 03:31:31 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Dec 12 03:31:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <121220050143.12481.439CD5B5000DBE9C000030C1216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Quite true, Pete. I accidentally found out about the PH after testing: - the hackmanite for tenebrescence - the wernerite for blue fluorescing diopside inclusions Both are best done under SW ;-))) To the naked eye the PH of the hackmanite may look green. On film it is however clearly bluish, which is also the SW fluorescent response of the mineral. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens pjmodreski@att.net Verzonden: maandag 12 december 2005 2:43 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions That's interesting, Axel, I thought I knew these minerals, but I really don't think I knew that those two minerals (scapolite and hackmanite, pardon me, purists, if I use the generic name that comes most naturally to me) are phosphorescent. One usually finds (or, so I thought) that most minerals phosphoresce most strongly after shortwave excitation, and those two minerals, are known for being fluorescent, longwave. Pete -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" : -------------- > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with an > analog camera. > > Cheers > > Axel > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Mon Dec 12 05:15:57 2005 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Mon Dec 12 05:16:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] book help In-Reply-To: <439C911E.4C99@Tomaszewski.net> References: <439C911E.4C99@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <439D780D.4080506@ncmail.net> List, I'm trying to locate a copy of VOLCANIC SUCCESSIONS by R.A.F. Cas and J.V. Wright. It was published by Allen & Unwin, London, in 1987. I'm willing to pay a reasonable amount for the book plus the shipping costs. Either hardback or paperback is OK. If anyone has a copy they would like to sell, contact me off list. Thanks! Kenny NC Geological Survey Raleigh, NC kenny.gay@ncmail.net From hammerron at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 07:11:45 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Mon Dec 12 07:11:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] book help In-Reply-To: <439D780D.4080506@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <20051212151145.8910.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kenny: I found it listed on amazon.com for over $200. A little steep to me, but figured I should let you know just in case. -Ron http://www.hammerron.com/minerals --- Kenny Gay wrote: > List, > I'm trying to locate a copy of VOLCANIC SUCCESSIONS > by R.A.F. Cas and > J.V. Wright. It was published by Allen & Unwin, > London, in 1987. > I'm willing to pay a reasonable amount for the book > plus the shipping > costs. Either hardback or paperback is OK. > If anyone has a copy they would like to sell, > contact me off list. > Thanks! > Kenny > NC Geological Survey > Raleigh, NC > kenny.gay@ncmail.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Mon Dec 12 08:33:11 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Mon Dec 12 08:33:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I feel the earth move Message-ID: <20051212163311.A60B93384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia - Ethiopian, American and European researchers have observed a fissure in a desert in the remote northeast that could be the "birth of a new ocean basin," scientists said Friday. Researchers from Britain, France, Italy and the United States have been observing the 37-mile-long (60-meter-long) fissure since it split open in September in the Afar desert and estimate it will take a million years to fully form into an ocean, said Dereje Ayalew, who leads the team of 18 scientists studying the phenomenon. The fissure, now 13 feet (4 meters) wide, formed in just three weeks after a Sept. 14 earthquake in a barren region called Boina, some 621 miles (990 kilometers) northeast of the capital, Addis Ababa, said Dereje. Rest of the story: [www.msnbc.msn.com] Personally; this huge change is extremely fascinating to me. Iwould like to come back in a million years and see how Earth has changed. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Mon Dec 12 08:46:02 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Dec 12 08:46:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I feel the earth move References: <20051212163311.A60B93384C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <019b01c5ff3b$89b63420$6402a8c0@remains> WOW!!! I had no idea that a mile was now the equivalent of about 1.62 meters!!! Who reworked the metric system and didn't tell me???? Holy crap!!!! I'm about 1.2 miles tall!!! Why can't I reach the top cupboard in my kitchen then??? Michael Researchers from Britain, France, Italy and the United States have been observing the 37-mile-long (60-meter-long) fissure From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Dec 12 09:10:32 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Dec 12 09:10:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] book help Message-ID: <121220051710.12473.439DAF080000C1DA000030B9216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Kenny, Ed Rogers, Geoscience Books, is a good source of out-of-print geological books. He is at, http://www.geology-books.com/newcatalog.html Pete -------------- Original message from Kenny Gay : -------------- > List, > I'm trying to locate a copy of VOLCANIC SUCCESSIONS by R.A.F. Cas and > J.V. Wright. It was published by Allen & Unwin, London, in 1987. > I'm willing to pay a reasonable amount for the book plus the shipping > costs. Either hardback or paperback is OK. > If anyone has a copy they would like to sell, contact me off list. > Thanks! > Kenny > NC Geological Survey > Raleigh, NC > kenny.gay@ncmail.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From minrec at earthlink.net Sun Dec 11 18:16:24 2005 From: minrec at earthlink.net (Wendell Wilson) Date: Mon Dec 12 09:40:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick Message-ID: <817001c5fec2$0d3bcaa0$6401a8c0@minrec> Hi Margaret, Can you please tell me Steve Voynick's e-mail address? We need to contact him about a writing project. Wendell Wilson Mineralogical Record --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Dec 12 07:46:51 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Dec 12 09:52:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN} Steve Voynick References: <817001c5fec2$0d3bcaa0$6401a8c0@minrec> Message-ID: <003801c5ff33$4cd88380$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Please respond to Wendell off-List as he is not a List member. Thanks - John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendell Wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick Hi Margaret, Can you please tell me Steve Voynick's e-mail address? We need to contact him about a writing project. Wendell Wilson Mineralogical Record --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Dec 12 09:54:55 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Dec 12 09:55:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence question replies Message-ID: <439DB96F.8010408@tenforward.com> First off, Pete, Paul, Don, Axel and Bryan, thank you for taking the time to help with my questions, I appreciate it. As many of you likely know, I do mineral and fossil presentations for both kids and adults and as part of my talks, I do a segment on fluorescence. For my phosphorescence unit, I focus on a specimen (a cleaved rhomb) of the Nuevo Leon calcite (its different colored fluorescence under LW and SW illumination and pronounced phosphorescence really makes this a wonderful (teaching) specimen!). Additionally, to further compliment my rhomb, I use another calcite, also from Mexico, which is translucent white and bright red colored in daylight (unknown locality) and N.J. willemite. These allow me to share that "wow" factor Paul was mentioning with regard to phosphorescence. Having read a bit and having heard more(!), I'd wondered about the Terlingua material and how much "better" it would be as compared to these specimens I'm currently using. Always striving to be my best, I want my teaching aids (my specimens) to be as awesome as they can be! While not true Terlingua fluorescent material, my offerings appear to be adequate in comparison. The neat link Bryan provided, while very techy, still offered a ton of information in as easy to read a format as I could imagine. I've toyed around with the thought of using invisible fluorescing inks to write on my arm, Rocks are Cool!, or some such and had wondered about other brightly phosphorescing manmade scenarios. Thanks again guys, I appreciate your help in helping me share this exciting world with others. All the very best, John PS What exactly does Terlingua- type calcite define? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From danielz at acmenet.net Mon Dec 12 10:06:53 2005 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:06:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Dealer spcl: Bloodstone, amethyst, Franklin, other rough Message-ID: <000501c5ff46$d5be76b0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> We're still depleting inventory in preparation for retirement.... 10 pound minimum on each item below. I have between 20 and 50 pounds of each. Take all I have of any item and get an extra 10% off. All are plus actual shipping costs. I have about 20 to 30 pounds of the good, old, high-quality bloodstone rough. This is the dark green material, most with distinct bright red spots. Pieces are mostly two to four inches diameter. We've been selling it here for $10 a pound. Yours for $3.25 a pound. Phantom Amethyst, also called Chevron Amethyst. Crystalline chunks of light amethyst with bands of white quartz. Most three to five inches. Sells here for $7 a pound. Yours for $2.25 a pound. Carnelian, small nodules of one to two inches diameter, mostly light orange. Quite translucent. Tumbles well. We sell for $5 per pound. Yours for $1.50 per pound. Amazonite, bright green chunks from the now-defunct mine in Ontario, Canada. Most three to four inches. Sells here for $9 per pound. Yours for $2.75 per pound. Bowenite, a light green serpentine from Rhode Island, great for carving. Pieces five to ten inches. $3 a pound. Magnetite (not necessarily already magnetized). Pieces from 2 to 8 inches. Break them up, and sell small pieces for $1 or $2 each. Your cost $2 per pound. Can be magnetized with a battery and a coil of wire. Beryl crystals and crystal sections. Most light blue (i.e. aquamarine) and golden to white. No transparency. Suitable for cabs, tumbling, low-end specimens. $10 a pound. Blue calcite masses, intermixed with small graphite crystals and often containing small apatite crystals in blue, yellow or clear. Large pieces. We sell it for $8 a pound for large pieces, and $4 for two-inch chunks. Much more if a good apatite is visible. $2.50 per pound. Franklin, New Jersey fluorescents. This is the lifetime collection of a couple who lived near the mine, but moved to Florida. I probably have at least 200 pounds left, NOT picked thru. Mostly willemite (green fl.) and calcite (orange fl.) but undoubtedly contains some of the more rare stuff also. $2 per pound. Lots of Herkimer "diamonds," both loose and in matrix. Let me know your desires.... -dan z- Many Facets Rock Shop Albany, NY http://www.manyfacets.com From tblackwood1 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 10:10:13 2005 From: tblackwood1 at yahoo.com (Timothy Blackwood) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:10:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I feel the earth move In-Reply-To: <019b01c5ff3b$89b63420$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <20051212181013.41957.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> If everything were scaled up relative to your new height of 1.2 miles, then the top cupboard in your kitchen would still be out of reach. :) Tim --- Michael Schmidt wrote: > WOW!!! I had no idea that a mile was now the equivalent of about 1.62 > meters!!! Who reworked the metric system and didn't tell me???? Holy > crap!!!! I'm about 1.2 miles tall!!! Why can't I reach the top cupboard in > my kitchen then??? > > Michael > > > Researchers from Britain, France, Italy and the United States have been > observing the 37-mile-long (60-meter-long) fissure Timothy J. Blackwood E-mail: tblackwood1@yahoo.com Phone: (218)328-6272 Home Address: 120 N.W. 5th Street Apt. #101 Cohasset, Minnesota, USA 55721 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Dec 12 10:11:44 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:11:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Whoops!! Message-ID: <439DBD60.3080803@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, I came across this link last night while surfing and thought I'd share. These are just the coolest photos! All the very best, John http://psychogoat.com/gallery/miningpics From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Mon Dec 12 10:14:34 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:14:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I feel the earth move References: <20051212181013.41957.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13e201c5ff47$e80a57c0$6402a8c0@remains> true enough ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Blackwood" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I feel the earth move > If everything were scaled up relative to your new height of 1.2 miles, > then the top cupboard in > your kitchen would still be out of reach. :) > > Tim > > --- Michael Schmidt wrote: > >> WOW!!! I had no idea that a mile was now the equivalent of about 1.62 >> meters!!! Who reworked the metric system and didn't tell me???? Holy >> crap!!!! I'm about 1.2 miles tall!!! Why can't I reach the top cupboard >> in >> my kitchen then??? >> >> Michael >> >> >> Researchers from Britain, France, Italy and the United States have been >> observing the 37-mile-long (60-meter-long) fissure > > > Timothy J. Blackwood > E-mail: tblackwood1@yahoo.com > Phone: (218)328-6272 > Home Address: > 120 N.W. 5th Street Apt. #101 > Cohasset, Minnesota, USA 55721 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From william.s.cordua at uwrf.edu Mon Dec 12 10:42:08 2005 From: william.s.cordua at uwrf.edu (William Cordua) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:42:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Whoops!!/ Mine Safety In-Reply-To: <439DBD60.3080803@tenforward.com> Message-ID: Dear John, Thanks for this link! These photos are jaw-droppers. If this doesn't make you want to keep your distance from mining vehicles, nothing will. We do a mine hazard recognition session here at UWRF for all of our geology students in an attempt to be MSHA (Mine Safety and Hazard Administration) compliant. I find in the field various quarries and mines have diverse attitudes and applications towards these. One guy told me (I hope in jest) "We don't worry about MSHA. If you get killed in here, we just take your body out into the desert and dump it." What do list members find active quarries and mines doing? Do you get MSHA trained? Do owners expect it or use their own forms and rules? Thanks Dr. Bill Cordua On 12/12/05 12:11 PM, "John and Gloria Cornish" wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I came across this link last night while surfing and thought I'd share. > These are just the coolest photos! All the very best, > > John > > > http://psychogoat.com/gallery/miningpics > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Mon Dec 12 10:54:39 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:57:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick In-Reply-To: <817001c5fec2$0d3bcaa0$6401a8c0@minrec> Message-ID: <20051212185439.B5DB31E301A@alora.infowest.com> ???? Why do you ask me??? You should be able to get it by writing to Rock & Gem www.rockngem.com Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Wendell Wilson Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:16 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick Hi Margaret, Can you please tell me Steve Voynick's e-mail address? We need to contact him about a writing project. Wendell Wilson Mineralogical Record --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Mon Dec 12 10:57:05 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:59:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN} Steve Voynick In-Reply-To: <003801c5ff33$4cd88380$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <20051212185704.0D2851E3080@alora.infowest.com> Sorry, John, I had already answered before I got this one. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John Siebel Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:47 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN} Steve Voynick Please respond to Wendell off-List as he is not a List member. Thanks - John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendell Wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick Hi Margaret, Can you please tell me Steve Voynick's e-mail address? We need to contact him about a writing project. Wendell Wilson Mineralogical Record --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Dec 12 11:02:52 2005 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Mon Dec 12 11:02:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN} Steve Voynick In-Reply-To: <003801c5ff33$4cd88380$6400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <817001c5fec2$0d3bcaa0$6401a8c0@minrec> <003801c5ff33$4cd88380$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <439DC95C.9040506@azgs.az.gov> However, he is the editor of Mineralogical Record... John Siebel wrote: >Please respond to Wendell off-List as he is not a List member. > >Thanks - John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wendell Wilson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:16 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Steve Voynick > > >Hi Margaret, > >Can you please tell me Steve Voynick's e-mail address? We need to contact >him about a writing project. > >Wendell Wilson >Mineralogical Record > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From tblackwood1 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 12:35:06 2005 From: tblackwood1 at yahoo.com (Timothy Blackwood) Date: Mon Dec 12 12:35:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about a beryl locality. : ) Message-ID: <20051212203506.90890.qmail@web54711.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I've just acquired a miniature specimen of quartz with a crystal of blue beryl embedded in it. The crystal has nice faces, but lacks a termination. There also appears to be a noncrystalline white feldspar near the base of the specimens, and there is a thin string of very small black crystals that appear to be metallic. The locality data accompanying the specimen is Sonora, Mexico. I checked www.mindat.org to see if any locations were listed for beryl from Sonora, Mexico, and found no information. I'm aware that, while very extensive, mindat.org can't possibly contain every locality. Now for my question: Are any of you familiar with localities for beryl (especially blue) from Sonora, Mexico? Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance and I'll look forward to hearing from you soon. :) Sincerely, Tim Blackwood Timothy J. Blackwood E-mail: tblackwood1@yahoo.com Phone: (218)328-6272 Home Address: 120 N.W. 5th Street Apt. #101 Cohasset, Minnesota, USA 55721 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stu at arcrystalmine.com Mon Dec 12 13:01:32 2005 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (stu@arcrystalmine.com) Date: Mon Dec 12 13:01:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Whoops!!/ Mine Safety References: Message-ID: <004e01c5ff5f$3bc9bce0$6400a8c0@STUART> All the Mom & Pop owned and operated crystals mines here in Arkansas fall under MSHA laws. MSHA miner training and annual refresher training, along with first aid training is a requirement. It's taken about 10 years to get miners in compliance but most of the mines are a lot safer now. The mines (and paper work) are inspected twice a year by the MSHA inspectors. Some of the MSHA laws are not very applicable to these small primitive area mines but the inspectors will still write citations if not in compliance. As an example, 30 CFR 56.15001 requires that a stretcher be on site, so most of the mines have a half a sheet of plywood lying around somewhere to meet this requirement. There is also a requirement for toilet facilities on the mine site. We have a bumper dumper: http://www.bumperdumper.com/ but it has never been used. Some of the MSHA inspectors have been sympathetic and somewhat accommodating and other have been down right pains. Most of the small crystal mines are on Forest Service property with quartz leases. The Forest Service is now in bed with MSHA and is adding another layer of guidance (to put it mildly) to the lease holders in the name of safety. Mine visitors are no longer allowed in the active mining area and the lease holders that want to accommodate visitors (for a fee) have had to designate separate areas, mostly in tailings, for the visitors. The tailing piles can be no higher than 5 feet. There are still a lot crystals to be found but the days of a serious rockhound beating on a wall to find a pocket of crystals are over if the mine owner complies with the Forest Service guidance. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek & Sweet Surrender Crystal Mines www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Mon Dec 12 20:04:23 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Dec 12 20:04:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "Dinosaur House" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> this is what happens when people with NO taste have lots of money...... Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Vance McCollum To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "Dinosaur House" for sale This is a little off the beaten path, but I stumbled across an ad for this house for sale in the Virgin Islands. It is called the "Dinosaur House", I believe, but it includes a lot more than dinosaurs. You have to see it to believe it. Be prepared for sensory overload, though...it's pretty intense. http://calabashviews.com/DinosaurHouse/Minerals-Fossils.htm Vance McCollum Earth Relics Company http://www.earthrelics.com "Ready-to-wear pendants made from the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" http://earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ "Shark tooth necklaces using fossil shark teeth with gold plated roots" SPONSORED LINKS Earth science textbook Fossil hunting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "carolinageorgiafossils" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: carolinageorgiafossils-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at mindspring.com Mon Dec 12 20:47:46 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Mon Dec 12 20:46:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? In-Reply-To: <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <9B2877E2-6B93-11DA-966D-000A95773806@mindspring.com> I've seen pictures of underground homes in Coober Pedy that were very natural and comfortable looking, even with rock pillars and stone/dirt walls. What a shame these folks didn't have a better sense of composition, using the colors and shapes as intrinsic elements in the design. It's not something I can ever do in my late 50's ranch house, but if I had a rustic cabin, or something spacious of modern design, perhaps I'd have a fireplace in an entire rock wall using two or three types of rock with neutral, complementary colors. If I had enough in a brighter color, I might use them as an accent in a cohesive pattern over the fireplace. And of course 'blue pearl' (lower grade labradorite) counters somewhere, and a wall with built-in display shelves with indirect lighting. Have to think more about it to see what else I'd use. So if you could build a house incorporating stone and minerals, what would it look like? Carol Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary http://www.eclecticlapidary.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vance McCollum > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:35 PM > Subject: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "Dinosaur House" for > sale > > > This is a little off the beaten path, but I stumbled across an ad > for this house for sale in the Virgin Islands. It is called the > "Dinosaur House", I believe, but it includes a lot more than > dinosaurs. You have to see it to believe it. Be prepared for sensory > overload, though...it's pretty intense. > > http://calabashviews.com/DinosaurHouse/Minerals-Fossils.htm > > Vance McCollum > Earth Relics Company > http://www.earthrelics.com > "Ready-to-wear pendants made from > the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" > http://earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ > "Shark tooth necklaces using fossil > shark teeth with gold plated roots" From gmk at wsu.edu Mon Dec 12 20:53:08 2005 From: gmk at wsu.edu (Gretchen) Date: Mon Dec 12 20:53:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas Message-ID: <8b05d5590512122053s67618a6p969b5cde733a1cc4@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, After conferring with this group about whether to get Rock & Gem magazine for my dad, I got lots of other recommendations for presents as well. A couple of people recommended books by John Sinkankas, so I went on Amazon and ordered a used copy of "Field Collecting Gemstones and Minerals." So you know how Amazon gives you all these recommendations after you order something? Well... after I confirmed my order, EVERY SINGLE recommendation was for a Dave Barry book. Eh?? ....Now that I think about it... my dad likes Dave Barry. Hmmm.... there must be a connection here. ~Gretchen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Dec 13 07:19:59 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Dec 13 07:19:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051210080234.042c02f0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: Great reading, Kitty... It's a shame that you didn't find the aragonite. But not as bad as the guy that went lookning fo scheelite in a river in the east of Belgium. He found some blue fluorescent stuff of which he thought that it was scheelite. AFter a few days the stuff dried out and the fluorescence died. A patch of moss can be very deceiving.... Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 2:19 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] trip: a pleasant failure Hi List, Here's a trip report that came up a failure, but the process was very pleasant. Note: the links below are not rockhound related; they just embellish the trip report. A few weeks ago Bill and I were in the tiny town of Kapa'au, near the slightly larger tiny town of Hawi (OK, Hawi is a toenail town, and Kapa'au is a thumbnail, or maybe a pinkynail), on the north shore of the Big Island. We were in The Kohala Book Shop, which has the largest inventory of used books in the state of Hawaii ( http://www.kohalabooks.com/ ), and met a fellow named Jummy Bos, who is one of those interesting "characters" who is obviously smart, and---by his own admission---a bit weird and eccentric. Later the book shop owner told us he is the pre-eminent naturalist of the Big Island, perhaps the state. When Jimmy found that we are rockhounds, he told us we should try to get permission to go to the quarry just up the road at Pali a ka moa, where aragonite had been found. Aragonite in Hawaii? Well, we know that there is calcite in caves on Oahu, Kauai and here on the Big Island, so maybe aragonite is possible. So we began the search for a way to get permission to reach the quarry. It took a few calls and visits to various landowners and a real estate broker to find out that the quarry is part of the historic Bond Homestead and Old Girls School property: ( http://www.masonarch.com/projects/preservation/bond.html ), which is now owned by the New Moon Foundation: ( http://www.newmoonfoundation.org/ ) . After finally establishing e-mail communication, and a couple of weeks of matching schedules, we agreed on last Thursday, Dec. 1st as the date for the excursion. It's a 2-hour drive from our home in Hilo to Kapa'au, and then another 15 minutes to reach the Foundation's office on the old Bond Estate. There we received a warm welcome from some of the foundation staff, and a delightful young woman named Puanani Cravalho climbed into her 1/2-ton 4WD pick-up truck to lead us to the quarry. We followed in our elderly Mitsubishi Montero. The drive involved bouncing over lumpy pastures, winding through groves of koa trees, going through 3 ranch gates and crossing a stream. Along the way herds of sheep and cows looked up with mild curiosity; they ignored Puanani's familiar green truck but concentrated on the strange white SUV that followed. We stopped at the edge of a stream that was too muddy and rocky for even the 4WD's to cross without danger of getting stuck, and proceeded on foot, hopping across the stream from rock to rock. We entered a huge grove of trees and immediately it was like moving into a different world. Outside the meadows were sunny and green, with flies and bees buzzing, cows mooing, and a view to the ocean in the distance about 1500 feet (500 meters) below. As we stepped into the forest it turned cool, the air felt damp and humid, and small ferns crunched under our feet. We heard various bird's chirping and calling, the most impressive being the Chinese Thrush, which creates astonishingly varied melodies. Puanani pointed ahead to the quarry, gave us keys to the ranch gates for our return, bid us happy hunting, and departed. We proceeded deeper into the woods and began to see signs of old digging snaking through the trees in a giant "S" curve. Many of the trees were ironwood, so the ground was covered in their needles that look like pine (but are not). There were boulders covered with moss and ferns. Filtered sunlight reached leaves and fronds here and there making flashes of green that moved in a light breeze. The old digging had produced hollows and pits and tailing piles. Bill (a mountain goat in a previous incarnation) clambered up and over and around with astonishing speed and balance (especially considering he has an artificial hip), while I moved slowly, poking into nooks and crannies. The material seemed to be simple basalt, in various sized boulders, and much smaller rubble. Much of it was weathered to different colors, and covered with lichen and other organic growths. We found two places where large trees had fallen, their roots extended into the air, exposing rocks beneath. This material was not weathered like that elsewhere, and was dry and somewhat powdery on the surface, would break or crumble easily, and was several different pastel colors: gray, tan, orange, yellow, pinkish. The color was not just on the surface but consistent all the way through as seen in pieces that broke in two. It reminded me of material we'd seen at Sulphur Banks in the Volcano Park, but there was no evidence of fumerole or steam vent activity here. Eventually Bill found a place where several large basalt chunks bore white to yellowish-white patches. He thought that someone might mistake these for aragonite if they didn't examine them very closely. He did, and decided that the material was a crust of some sort, perhaps of organic origin. I'm not sure this solves the mystery of the alleged aragonite, but we certainly didn't find anything else to account for the claim. We sat on a log to eat our lunch, enjoying the silence punctuated occasionally by bird song. We wandered about and found a very old, rusted-out back-hoe that had probably been used for the most recent quarrying, maybe 50 years ago. Finally we headed back towards the muddy/rocky stream, stepped out from the dark shade of the forest into the brilliant sunshine of the pastures and reached our car. On the way back we encountered a flock of about 20 wild turkeys---female---with two males puffing and displaying their feathers in classic style, parading slowly like great galleons on the sea....no doubt they all were grateful they had made it past Thanksgiving! We returned the keys to the Blue Moon Foundation office, thanked the people there (especially Puanani), and Bill promised them a guided tour of the telescopes on Mauna Kea at some future date. Some would say our quest for the purported aragonite was a failure and a lot of trouble for no results. But we felt it was a superb day, pleasant in every way! Aloha, Kitty _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Dec 13 07:22:11 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Dec 13 07:22:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's also cadmium and smithsonite. Seems to fluoresce red SW. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 20:28 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Here is a page with info about artificial phosphors: http://yarchive.net/chem/glow_in_dark.html I knew about Cadmium and Zinc Sulfide but not Strontium Sulfide BK On 12/11/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with > an > analog camera. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:31 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > diente@prismnet.com wrote: > > > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting > phosphorescence, but > > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively > quickly......a dramatic > > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The > Terlingua > > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they > are > prettier in > > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my > best > from > > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of > yellow > > fluorescing calcite). > > > Paul, > > There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" > Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. > However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo > Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting > phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I > found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples > of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few > minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake > up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also > had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house > where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the > morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring > at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said > "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and > realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can > muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't > understand. I couldn't believe it. > > Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, > elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, > but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all > possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is > most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those > measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which > phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem > to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it > glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There > are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is > called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay > curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer > than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT > calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited > time and we had other priorities. > > So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete > answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and > legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish > it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely > it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know > it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that > difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the > minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with > access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. > > I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on > campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking > around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, > but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to > justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. > > > Regards, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Dec 13 07:47:49 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Dec 13 07:47:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Whoops!!/ Mine Safety In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439EED25.3010206@tenforward.com> Hi Bill, Here is another companion link to the first I sent... http://www.cargolaw.com/2004nightmare_coal-face.html Who would you rather be, the guy in the loader driving into the fire or the guy with the truck whose world is blazing away above him! Awesome shots! Regarding your question, the quick answer is that most do not allow collecting. Period. There are a few other pits and quarries where we have access, but my thought is that we're so far off the beaten path that the owners have not been bothered by collectors and or requests to collect. Thanks for taking the time, all the very best, John William Cordua wrote: >Dear John, > > Thanks for this link! These photos are jaw-droppers. If this doesn't >make you want to keep your distance from mining vehicles, nothing will. > > We do a mine hazard recognition session here at UWRF for all of our >geology students in an attempt to be MSHA (Mine Safety and Hazard >Administration) compliant. I find in the field various quarries and mines >have diverse attitudes and applications towards these. One guy told me (I >hope in jest) "We don't worry about MSHA. If you get killed in here, we just >take your body out into the desert and dump it." What do list members find >active quarries and mines doing? Do you get MSHA trained? Do owners expect >it or use their own forms and rules? > >Thanks > >Dr. Bill Cordua > > >On 12/12/05 12:11 PM, "John and Gloria Cornish" >wrote: > > > >>Hi Everyone, >> >>I came across this link last night while surfing and thought I'd share. >>These are just the coolest photos! All the very best, >> >>John >> >> >>http://psychogoat.com/gallery/miningpics >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Tue Dec 13 10:43:05 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Tue Dec 13 10:43:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? In-Reply-To: <9B2877E2-6B93-11DA-966D-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <009a01c60015$11148af0$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> If I could design/create my dream house, it would have a large bathroom with all sorts of fossilized sea creatures. I'd have a double-sized shower with ammonites, crinoids, belemites, etc. interspersed with rounded pebbles and cobbles. I'd have uneven spaces where rocks jutted out for soap, shampoo and water-loving plants to perch. I'd have a sky-light overhead. The floors would be naturally-hued stone with dinosaur "footprints" imbedded in them here and there. The master bedroom would be a round cave. It would be windowless, but full of pin-point lighting. There would be a slow moving water fall across from the bed that took up the whole wall. It would have lichens and moss and such. The walls would be rough stucco, dyed to a dark red clay. Irregular nooks and crannies would hold prized rock specimens with pin point lighting for each. The king size bed would be covered with animal fur (imitation of course). To make the dream complete, I would have a furry cave man by my side! Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Bova Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:48 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? I've seen pictures of underground homes in Coober Pedy that were very natural and comfortable looking, even with rock pillars and stone/dirt walls. What a shame these folks didn't have a better sense of composition, using the colors and shapes as intrinsic elements in the design. It's not something I can ever do in my late 50's ranch house, but if I had a rustic cabin, or something spacious of modern design, perhaps I'd have a fireplace in an entire rock wall using two or three types of rock with neutral, complementary colors. If I had enough in a brighter color, I might use them as an accent in a cohesive pattern over the fireplace. And of course 'blue pearl' (lower grade labradorite) counters somewhere, and a wall with built-in display shelves with indirect lighting. Have to think more about it to see what else I'd use. So if you could build a house incorporating stone and minerals, what would it look like? Carol Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary http://www.eclecticlapidary.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vance McCollum > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:35 PM > Subject: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "Dinosaur House" for > sale > > > This is a little off the beaten path, but I stumbled across an ad > for this house for sale in the Virgin Islands. It is called the > "Dinosaur House", I believe, but it includes a lot more than > dinosaurs. You have to see it to believe it. Be prepared for sensory > overload, though...it's pretty intense. > > http://calabashviews.com/DinosaurHouse/Minerals-Fossils.htm > > Vance McCollum > Earth Relics Company > http://www.earthrelics.com > "Ready-to-wear pendants made from > the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" > http://earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ > "Shark tooth necklaces using fossil > shark teeth with gold plated roots" _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From libawc at emory.edu Tue Dec 13 10:44:03 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Tue Dec 13 10:44:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas In-Reply-To: <8b05d5590512122053s67618a6p969b5cde733a1cc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009b01c60015$30a71f90$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Strange! I'm a rockhound and love Dave Barry. There MUST be a connection, but I don't know what it is! Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gretchen Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:53 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas Hi All, After conferring with this group about whether to get Rock & Gem magazine for my dad, I got lots of other recommendations for presents as well. A couple of people recommended books by John Sinkankas, so I went on Amazon and ordered a used copy of "Field Collecting Gemstones and Minerals." So you know how Amazon gives you all these recommendations after you order something? Well... after I confirmed my order, EVERY SINGLE recommendation was for a Dave Barry book. Eh?? ....Now that I think about it... my dad likes Dave Barry. Hmmm.... there must be a connection here. ~Gretchen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jabac at hal-pc.org Tue Dec 13 11:11:54 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Tue Dec 13 11:05:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas In-Reply-To: <8b05d5590512122053s67618a6p969b5cde733a1cc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b05d5590512122053s67618a6p969b5cde733a1cc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439F1CFA.5030301@hal-pc.org> Gretchen wrote: >Hi All, > >After conferring with this group about whether to get Rock & Gem magazine >for my dad, I got lots of other recommendations for presents as well. A >couple of people recommended books by John Sinkankas, so I went on Amazon >and ordered a used copy of "Field Collecting Gemstones and Minerals." > >So you know how Amazon gives you all these recommendations after you order >something? Well... after I confirmed my order, EVERY SINGLE recommendation >was for a Dave Barry book. Eh?? ....Now that I think about it... my dad >likes Dave Barry. Hmmm.... there must be a connection here. > >~Gretchen > > > An excellent choice. It is an open secret that Amazon.com has been bought out by Shyman & Shooster, Barry's publisher. Thus there is a recommendation to buy Berry given to every single Amazon customer, and has been for oh...twenty years or so. Simultaneously they contacted Berry and demanded that he produce between 13 and 17 new books a year to "meet the demand". When asked to comment about this, Berry had nothing to say. For once, he was speechless! Merry Christmas to you and yours, and Everybody! Frohliche Weihnacht! Joyeaux Noel! Felice Navidad! Etc! john From kahako at verizon.net Tue Dec 13 11:16:14 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Dec 13 11:16:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? In-Reply-To: <9B2877E2-6B93-11DA-966D-000A95773806@mindspring.com> References: <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> <9B2877E2-6B93-11DA-966D-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051212185703.02253a88@incoming.verizon.net> Although the "Dinosaur House" appears over the top in many ways, there are some interesting ideas for a home---just not all at the same time! Bill and I visited a gentleman in North West River (formerly Northwest River Post) near Goose Bay, Labrador, and after letting us see his shop where he cut and polished labradorite, he finally invited us unto his home to show us his fireplace. The entire fireplace front, mantle and chimney were covered with pieces of labradorite, all carefully fitted together, and mounted so that labradorescence would flash at you from different angles as you walked around the room. This was his pride and joy, and it was a spectacular centerpiece for the room, maybe even the whole house. Incidentally, we asked him where he got his material and he said that a couple of times a year he put his small rowboat---more like a dingy--on a ferry north to Nain, then rowed his boat to areas that are not accessible by land. He had to be very weather conscious, watching out for storms, ice bergs, etc, and could only haul so much in his little boat, and pack it all back onto the ferry and home. He lived alone and townspeople considered him a little eccentric, but then again, they would say, we're all a bit odd to live here! While in Australia a couple of years ago we stayed at PJ's Underground in White Cliffs, NE of Broken Hill. The entire motel or B&B in built inside an old opal mine. Take a look at http://babs.com.au/pj/ . It's worth clicking on all the titles at the bottom for neat pictures. Even "Map" has pictures in addition to maps. Aloha, Kitty At 06:47 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote: >I've seen pictures of underground homes in Coober Pedy that were very >natural and comfortable looking, even with rock pillars and stone/dirt >walls. What a shame these folks didn't have a better sense of >composition, using the colors and shapes as intrinsic elements in the design. > >It's not something I can ever do in my late 50's ranch house, but if I had >a rustic cabin, or something spacious of modern design, perhaps I'd have a >fireplace in an entire rock wall using two or three types of rock with >neutral, complementary colors. If I had enough in a brighter color, I >might use them as an accent in a cohesive pattern over the fireplace. And >of course 'blue pearl' (lower grade labradorite) counters somewhere, and a >wall with built-in display shelves with indirect lighting. Have to think >more about it to see what else I'd use. > >So if you could build a house incorporating stone and minerals, what would >it look like? >Carol > >Carol J. Bova >The Eclectic Lapidary >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Dec 13 10:06:03 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Dec 13 12:11:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "DinosaurHouse" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com> <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <003101c6000f$e6bb93c0$0300a8c0@otie> From: "Michael Schmidt" >this is what happens when people with NO taste have lots of money...... Man! These folks must have been on some serious drugs. I would love to buy the place if I had the cash. But what is the best way to remove morter from all of those specimens? :-) John From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Dec 13 12:34:04 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Dec 13 12:34:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Sinkankas (drifting gently OT a bit...) Message-ID: <121320052034.26865.439F303B000C1AA1000068F1216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> to Gretchen and the rest of the list, Now since Anita made a comment I can't resist adding, you've got to watch out what you say in a post to a "Rockhounds" group, because some of them may be pretty oblivious to anything else. I have to admit that I had ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE who Dave Barry was, with apologies to all his fans. I went to the www and quickly found out. Obviously, our local Denver paper must not carry his column. (and just maybe, that's just fine with me, it looks like!) (sorry again, fans) : ) cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Anita D. Westlake" : -------------- > Strange! I'm a rockhound and love Dave Barry. There MUST be a connection, > but I don't know what it is! > Anita > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi All, > > After conferring with this group about whether to get Rock & Gem magazine > for my dad, I got lots of other recommendations for presents as well. A > couple of people recommended books by John Sinkankas, so I went on Amazon > and ordered a used copy of "Field Collecting Gemstones and Minerals." > > So you know how Amazon gives you all these recommendations after you order > something? Well... after I confirmed my order, EVERY SINGLE recommendation > was for a Dave Barry book. Eh?? ....Now that I think about it... my dad > likes Dave Barry. Hmmm.... there must be a connection here. > > ~Gretchen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Dec 13 12:41:59 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Dec 13 12:42:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions Message-ID: <121320052041.5863.439F32170003B303000016E7216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I believe that one is indeed confirmed from research work, Alex, that Cd makes smithsonite fluoresce red (and that the fl. also extends into the IR). However, although Cd colors smithsonite yellow, I'm quite certain that some smithsonite (Mexico and NM) that is NOT obviously yellow colored still does fluoresce strong deep red, and, the classic yellow "turkey-fat" smithsonite from Rush, Arkansas, as far as I know does not fluoresce red. So, there must be some further complexities involved. Pete -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" : -------------- > There's also cadmium and smithsonite. Seems to fluoresce red SW. > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 20:28 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > Here is a page with info about artificial phosphors: > > http://yarchive.net/chem/glow_in_dark.html > > I knew about Cadmium and Zinc Sulfide but not Strontium Sulfide > > BK > > > On 12/11/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with > > an > > analog camera. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH > > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:31 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > > > > diente@prismnet.com wrote: > > > > > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting > > phosphorescence, but > > > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively > > quickly......a dramatic > > > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The > > Terlingua > > > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they > > are > > prettier in > > > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my > > best > > from > > > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of > > yellow > > > fluorescing calcite). > > > > > > Paul, > > > > There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" > > Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. > > However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo > > Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting > > phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I > > found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples > > of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few > > minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake > > up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also > > had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house > > where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the > > morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring > > at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said > > "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and > > realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can > > muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't > > understand. I couldn't believe it. > > > > Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, > > elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, > > but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all > > possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is > > most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those > > measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which > > phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem > > to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it > > glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There > > are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is > > called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay > > curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer > > than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT > > calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited > > time and we had other priorities. > > > > So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete > > answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and > > legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish > > it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely > > it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know > > it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that > > difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the > > minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with > > access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. > > > > I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on > > campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking > > around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, > > but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to > > justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. > > > > > > Regards, > > Don > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Tue Dec 13 13:15:55 2005 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Tue Dec 13 13:16:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built"DinosaurHouse" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com> <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> <003101c6000f$e6bb93c0$0300a8c0@otie> Message-ID: <002101c6002a$82dfa880$6402a8c0@remains> i don't know if you could from some of them....and it might not be worth the effort. i didn't look closely at all of the stuff, but much of it seems like lower end junk...pretty enough to look at, but if you know what you are looking at, bottom end material. take for example the Moroccan material...the goniatite polished ammonites are dirt cheap, and the (I am assuming it is) Paradoxides trilo is most likely fake...most of them are. The fake ones sell in NA for anywhere from $125 to $300....the last time I was in Erfoud, they went for about $40. The last real one I bought I paid $950 for.....most of the minerals look pretty bottom end, too. Like I say....the average person with no real knowledge of geology would probably find it quite impressive....although I think no matter how unfamiliar you were with the material, it is just far to busy...too mish-mashed as far as just being all thrown together...... It looks like one of the worst Tucson shows puked all over someone's house!!! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built"DinosaurHouse" for sale > From: "Michael Schmidt" >>this is what happens when people with NO taste have lots of money...... > > Man! These folks must have been on some serious drugs. I would love to buy > the place if I had the cash. But what is the best way to remove morter > from > all of those specimens? > > :-) > John > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Dec 13 18:12:40 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Dec 13 18:12:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "DinosaurHouse" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com> <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <005801c60053$df4d52b0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Looks like they bought out an entire rock shop! It is a great battle: "rock shop" vs. "cement" and neither won. Crafting various types rocks, minerals and fossils into interior or facade stone work rarely looks great. Large specimens tend to be focal points -- places that draw your eye. With what appears to be random placement, there are too many focal points in this house and your eye bounces around hopelessly looking for a place to rest! I've seen some really nice polished stone work in and on buildings. The Amway Grand hotel in Grand Rapids has some cool mollusks in the floor tiles. The bank building has nice Ordovician fossils from Manitoba. (I went on a geology tour of downtown last year while attending a conference.) I have seen some interesting fireplace mantels using quartz (rose and milky if I recall). Let's face it, there is not a lot that blends with azurite or atacomite in terms of interior furnishings. I collected coon tail ore from several mine dumps in the Cave in Rock area with thoughts of building a fireplace mantel. (It contains alternating bands with combinations of: fluorite, sphalerite, barite, and limestone. I'll probably never build a house or refit my current one with a fireplace, so at this point much this rock is on some garden pathways or in low dry stacked walls in my yard. Over the years I collected several tons of ore, minerals and fossils specifically for my rock garden. But I would never attempt to incorporate that random mixture inside my house! The best I could imagine using a huge assortment like the house in V.I. would be for an educational institution, with a "carbonates room" or "copper minerals" room, "silicates room," etc. It would make a great field trip for a geology class! Alan P.S. I've talked to some local companies that do polished stone work for kitchens and bathrooms. I can raid their dumpsters for leftover slabs whenever I want. The polished surface looks great, but cannot be used on a path unless you want to kill yourself when it gets wet. It is REALLY slick! Some great material comes out of Brazil and India right now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "DinosaurHouse" for sale this is what happens when people with NO taste have lots of money...... Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Vance McCollum To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "Dinosaur House" for sale This is a little off the beaten path, but I stumbled across an ad for this house for sale in the Virgin Islands. It is called the "Dinosaur House", I believe, but it includes a lot more than dinosaurs. You have to see it to believe it. Be prepared for sensory overload, though...it's pretty intense. http://calabashviews.com/DinosaurHouse/Minerals-Fossils.htm Vance McCollum Earth Relics Company http://www.earthrelics.com "Ready-to-wear pendants made from the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" http://earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ "Shark tooth necklaces using fossil shark teeth with gold plated roots" SPONSORED LINKS Earth science textbook Fossil hunting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "carolinageorgiafossils" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: carolinageorgiafossils-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Dec 13 18:42:41 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Tue Dec 13 18:47:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Those pesky mining laws... Message-ID: <10d201c60058$126bbb10$0200a8c0@warren> This was a topic of conversation on the list a week or two ago.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10456692/ GOP ends push of public land sales for mining Provision would have reversed 11-year-old congressional ban Julie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Dec 13 19:18:19 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 13 19:18:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built "DinosaurHouse" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com> <148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> <005801c60053$df4d52b0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <439F8EF6.514D@Tomaszewski.net> Alan Goldstein wrote: > > I've seen some really nice polished stone work in and on buildings. The > Amway Grand hotel in Grand Rapids has some cool mollusks in the floor tiles. > The bank building has nice Ordovician fossils from Manitoba. (I went on a > geology tour of downtown last year while attending a conference.) Hi Alan, Next time you are coming to Grand Rapids let me know. I'de love to have you over to the house for dinner. And now I'm going to have to take a field trip downtown to the Amway Grand. I've been there many times but never noticed the fossils in the floor tiles. I know some of the folks that work there. I'll have to find out where the floor tiles came from. But I knew about the bank building. I wish I could have gone on your tour to find out more about my city. Do you remember who led the tour? It sounds like a program for our local Club. Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Dec 13 19:33:52 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Dec 13 19:33:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built"DinosaurHouse" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com><148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains><005801c60053$df4d52b0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <439F8EF6.514D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007c01c6005f$34be7cf0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> The tour was with a retired woman geologist. She's apparently well-known in the Grand Rapids area. I may have written down where the Amway Grand tile came from, but at the moment I can't recall. One needs to be around during stone installation, because broken pieces are usually tossed in the construction trash dumpster. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built"DinosaurHouse" for sale > Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >> I've seen some really nice polished stone work in and on buildings. The >> Amway Grand hotel in Grand Rapids has some cool mollusks in the floor >> tiles. >> The bank building has nice Ordovician fossils from Manitoba. (I went on a >> geology tour of downtown last year while attending a conference.) > > Hi Alan, > > Next time you are coming to Grand Rapids let me know. I'de love to have > you over to the house for dinner. > > And now I'm going to have to take a field trip downtown to the Amway > Grand. I've been there many times but never noticed the fossils in the > floor tiles. I know some of the folks that work there. I'll have to find > out where the floor tiles came from. > > But I knew about the bank building. > > I wish I could have gone on your tour to find out more about my city. Do > you remember who led the tour? It sounds like a program for our local > Club. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Dec 13 20:25:53 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 13 20:25:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? References: <9B2877E2-6B93-11DA-966D-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <439F9EC3.7DF0@Tomaszewski.net> Carol J. Bova wrote: > So if you could build a house incorporating stone and minerals, what > would it look like? > Carol It would be a fairly conventional house, but it would be located so the basement included an entrance to an old mine. It would not only greatly expand the storage space, but would offer ongoing collecting opportunities no matter what the weather was. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Dec 13 20:48:18 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 13 20:48:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom built"DinosaurHouse" for sale References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com><148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains><005801c60053$df4d52b0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <439F8EF6.514D@Tomaszewski.net> <007c01c6005f$34be7cf0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <439FA402.6102@Tomaszewski.net> Alan, That description would only fit my rockhounding mentor, Dr. Mary Jane Dockeray. She took my Club on a geological tour of Ireland just a couple months ago. Now I need to start working on getting her to do another program that is closer to home. Thanks! Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > The tour was with a retired woman geologist. She's apparently well-known in > the Grand Rapids area. I may have written down where the Amway Grand tile > came from, but at the moment I can't recall. One needs to be around during > stone installation, because broken pieces are usually tossed in the > construction trash dumpster. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: [carolinageorgiafossils] Custom > built"DinosaurHouse" for sale > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: > >> > >> I've seen some really nice polished stone work in and on buildings. The > >> Amway Grand hotel in Grand Rapids has some cool mollusks in the floor > >> tiles. > >> The bank building has nice Ordovician fossils from Manitoba. (I went on a > >> geology tour of downtown last year while attending a conference.) > > > > Hi Alan, > > > > Next time you are coming to Grand Rapids let me know. I'de love to have > > you over to the house for dinner. > > > > And now I'm going to have to take a field trip downtown to the Amway > > Grand. I've been there many times but never noticed the fossils in the > > floor tiles. I know some of the folks that work there. I'll have to find > > out where the floor tiles came from. > > > > But I knew about the bank building. > > > > I wish I could have gone on your tour to find out more about my city. Do > > you remember who led the tour? It sounds like a program for our local > > Club. > > > > Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lanny at lrream.com Wed Dec 14 08:54:12 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Dec 14 08:51:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? In-Reply-To: <439F9EC3.7DF0@Tomaszewski.net> References: <9B2877E2-6B93-11DA-966D-000A95773806@mindspring.com> <439F9EC3.7DF0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: One major alteration in your ideal home Kreigh; to make it even more ideal, the home would be the remodeled old mill (of course that would be sitting alongside extending below the mine portal, not above it). There are a couple old mills in Montana that I often drive by and each time I envision them being turned into a home. Fantastic views and quite unusual (of course one would have to really like stairways!). Regards, Lanny On Dec 13, 2005, at 8:25 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Carol J. Bova wrote: >> So if you could build a house incorporating stone and minerals, what >> would it look like? >> Carol > > It would be a fairly conventional house, but it would be located so the > basement included an entrance to an old mine. It would not only greatly > expand the storage space, but would offer ongoing collecting > opportunities no matter what the weather was. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Dec 14 09:21:51 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Dec 14 09:21:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence question replies In-Reply-To: <439DB96F.8010408@tenforward.com> Message-ID: Hi John, >>For my >>phosphorescence unit, I focus on a specimen (a cleaved rhomb) of the >>Nuevo Leon calcite (its different colored fluorescence under LW and SW >illumination and pronounced phosphorescence really makes this a >wonderful (teaching) specimen!). Try blue light of about 400 nm (LED) and MW too (resp. much redder pink and pale straw-yellow) Cheers Axel From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Dec 14 09:28:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Dec 14 09:28:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions In-Reply-To: <121320052041.5863.439F32170003B303000016E7216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: We uses fluorescence to trace Cd in polyethylene. The yellow pigment that we used to color PE yellow was CdS with ZnO and ZnS. It fluoresces a deep dark red under extreme long wave '(368 nm and up). Looks like Cd and Zn pair up and work together? Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens pjmodreski@att.net Verzonden: dinsdag 13 december 2005 21:42 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions I believe that one is indeed confirmed from research work, Alex, that Cd makes smithsonite fluoresce red (and that the fl. also extends into the IR). However, although Cd colors smithsonite yellow, I'm quite certain that some smithsonite (Mexico and NM) that is NOT obviously yellow colored still does fluoresce strong deep red, and, the classic yellow "turkey-fat" smithsonite from Rush, Arkansas, as far as I know does not fluoresce red. So, there must be some further complexities involved. Pete -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" : -------------- > There's also cadmium and smithsonite. Seems to fluoresce red SW. > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 20:28 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > Here is a page with info about artificial phosphors: > > http://yarchive.net/chem/glow_in_dark.html > > I knew about Cadmium and Zinc Sulfide but not Strontium Sulfide > > BK > > > On 12/11/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Hello Don, my e-friend ;-)) > > > > Here's some comment from the cold and misty kingdom of Belgium > > > > Awesome phosphorescence is: > > > > Meionite var. wernerite from Otter Lake, Ontario and sodalite var. > > hackmanite from the Kokcha valley, Badakshan, Afghanistan. > > Both are PH so strong that the phenomenon is actually photographable with > > an > > analog camera. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH > > Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 6:31 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Phosphorescence questions > > > > > > diente@prismnet.com wrote: > > > > > In my opinion, Terlingua calcite is famous not for long lasting > > phosphorescence, but > > > for it's extremely bright phosphorescence that fades relatively > > quickly......a dramatic > > > change from light to dark. The "wow" factor is counted in seconds. The > > Terlingua > > > type calcites from Boquillas are about the same, although I think they > > are > > prettier in > > > daylight, and their fluorescence tends to be prettier. (Although my > > best > > from > > > Telingua looks like a field of stars surrounded by a secondary growth of > > yellow > > > fluorescing calcite). > > > > > > Paul, > > > > There must be some variations then. My only specimen of "real" > > Terlingua calcite is pretty raggedy, so I won't use that as an example. > > However, I have a nice rhomb of "Terlingua-type" calcite from Nuevo > > Leon, also known as Challenger Cave, with some very long lasting > > phosphorescence. I also have a piece of Bosquillas del Carmen that I > > found out by accident phosphoresces for hours. Someone sent me samples > > of it, and I charged it up and watched it phosphoresce for a few > > minutes. Then I went to bed. Well, I'm not a heavy sleeper and I wake > > up in the middle of the night a lot, sometimes for no reason. I also > > had blackout curtains so the room got very dark (this is in my old house > > where I just moved from). And there I was about 2 o'clock in the > > morning in a pitch dark room with my eyes dark-adjusted and I am staring > > at this faint white light on my floor. I sat bolt upright and said > > "what the hell!" to no one in particular, then I ran over to it and > > realized it was the specimen. It's amazing how much adrenaline you can > > muster in a fraction of second when you wake up to something you don't > > understand. I couldn't believe it. > > > > Now, I've heard legendary tales of willemite phosphorescing for years, > > elaborate experiments with film, etc. I don't see how that's possible, > > but I think it's been said that anything is possible in this best of all > > possible worlds (Voltaire?) As a side note, the normal human eye is > > most sensitive to yellow-green (about 5620 Angstroms, for those > > measuring wavelengths), just about at the wavelength in which > > phosphorescent Franklin/Sterling Hill willemite emits, so it will seem > > to glow longer than a comparable bue or red specimen. I have seen it > > glow for quite a long time, though I've never measured that time. There > > are instruments called spectrophotometers that can measure what is > > called the decay curve of phosphorescence. I measured a few decay > > curves for some minerals, but didn't see anything that lasted longer > > than a few seconds. I never got a chance to test anything like TT > > calcite or willemite because we only had the instrument for a limited > > time and we had other priorities. > > > > So, to address John's original question, I've never seen any concrete > > answers. The fluorescent collector community abounds with tales and > > legends, but I'd love to see someone come up with hard data and publish > > it in one place. As with some many scientific endeavors, it is likely > > it has been done; maybe not in the realm of minerals as well all know > > it, but perhaps by physicists and materials scientists. It's not that > > difficult from a procedural point of view: get little pieces of the > > minerals and put them in an instrument. But it takes someone with > > access to the right instrument, the interest, and the time. > > > > I know we don't have one in the geology dept. If there is one on > > campus, it's in the physics or biology dept. I'm going to go looking > > around in the summer when I have time. I'd apply for a grant to get one, > > but it has nothing to do with our research and it would be difficult to > > justify, and besides that's $25,000 we could use to get some nice scopes. > > > > > > Regards, > > Don > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Dec 14 09:32:49 2005 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 14 09:33:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "Dinosaur House" - What would you do? Message-ID: Okay, I'll chime in. These fantasy houses sound great. I'd like to add in a time machine. As a collector of fossil woods, I'd like to have my house in the Henry Mountains in 1930, fully stocked with modern lapidary equipment and electricity and all the modern conveniences. And throw in a reliable 4-Wheel drive vehicle, a winch, and the like. While I am there I'll stake out some Uranium claims and make a fortune in the 1940s. I can think of a lot of other places for this 1930 house - Succor Creek, Oregon/Idaho is one. And since I also am fond of mineral specimens, how about atop Mt. Antero in 1880? Best regards, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pbhewitt at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 15:33:23 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Wed Dec 14 15:33:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] blacklight bulbs References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com><148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains> <003101c6000f$e6bb93c0$0300a8c0@otie> Message-ID: <000801c60106$c6731460$6401a8c0@maingear> I am building a display case and I would like to have a section for fluorescent minerals. Can I have a 2 bulb fluorescent light fixture and put one each SW and LW bulbs in it? Would it show the complete spectrum then? Also, where can I find SW and LW bulbs? I have found a gazillion bulbs on the net but none that state what the wavelength is. Paul in Marietta From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Dec 14 16:25:29 2005 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Dec 14 16:25:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] blacklight bulbs References: <0d6a01c5ff85$7a6e2820$eed73942@sc.rr.com><148f01c5ff9a$4f651c00$6402a8c0@remains><003101c6000f$e6bb93c0$0300a8c0@otie> <000801c60106$c6731460$6401a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <000501c6010e$0e33e610$bb91b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Home Depot sells black light bulbs to fit conventional fluorescent fixtures at very reasonable prices in sizes up to 48". BUT, they're all longwave. From what I've seen, the shortwave bulbs are used with a filter to filter out longwave UV and visible light. They're pretty expensive too. We have a 2 bulb shortwave fixture in our museum display http://www.fgms.org that cost around $400. On the web check out http://www.uvlights.com I've never bought through them, but you'll get an idea of prices. Erich Murrieta, Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] blacklight bulbs I am building a display case and I would like to have a section for fluorescent minerals. Can I have a 2 bulb fluorescent light fixture and put one each SW and LW bulbs in it? Would it show the complete spectrum then? Also, where can I find SW and LW bulbs? I have found a gazillion bulbs on the net but none that state what the wavelength is. Paul in Marietta _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Dec 14 15:18:52 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Dec 14 17:24:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inlays (Was: Dinosaur House") References: Message-ID: <002901c60104$c8499400$0300a8c0@otie> As an interesting aside, the facade of the Tribune Tower in Chicago is inlaid with stones from around the world. I seem to remember a piece of the Great Pyramid, Notre Dame Cathedral, the Taj Mahal, the Parthenon, the Alamo, the Great Wall of China, Ft. Sumpter and the White House. A bit of research tells me that they added a piece of Mt. Mckinley circa 2001 bring the total at that time to 141 specimens including a moon rock on display. I hope to find a list of all stones when I have the time. While I was researching I found this that any rockhound living/visiting Chicago might find interesting: Geology Along Chicago's Michigan Avenue http://ebeltz.net/fieldtrips/michave.html John Siebel Santa, Idaho From jr50wv at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 18:03:17 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Wed Dec 14 18:03:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please Message-ID: <20051215020317.48909.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all: I just received a box of miniatures, and opening the shipping box, was cataloging them. I also picked up a specimen that I got some time ago, but had never cataloged. When I pulled out the labels, there was a little slip under the cotton in the box, that said "Cerussit min Mimetesit, Altfund Tsumeb, Namibia". I wonder if you could tell me what Altfund means? Thanks, JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Dec 14 16:19:15 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Dec 14 18:24:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please References: <20051215020317.48909.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c6010d$33e6bc80$0300a8c0@otie> JR, If I remember my High School German that might be "Old Find". John Siebel Santa, Idaho From: "J. R. Hodel" > When I pulled out the labels, there was a little slip under the cotton in the box, that said "Cerussit min Mimetesit, Altfund Tsumeb, Namibia". I wonder if you could tell me what Altfund means? From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Dec 14 18:50:08 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 14 18:46:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please References: <20051215020317.48909.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43A0D915.3DF2@Tomaszewski.net> J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi all: > > I just received a box of miniatures, and opening the shipping box, was cataloging them. I also picked up a specimen that I got some time ago, but had never cataloged. > > When I pulled out the labels, there was a little slip under the cotton in the box, that said "Cerussit min Mimetesit, Altfund Tsumeb, Namibia". I wonder if you could tell me what Altfund means? > > Thanks, > JR JR, A quick Google search tells me that 'Altfund' is German for 'old find'. Kreigh From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Wed Dec 14 20:01:31 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Dec 14 20:02:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please References: <20051215020317.48909.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c6012c$4f363820$5f4027c4@privatehome> Hi JR, "Altfund" means it was "found a long time ago". Regards, Horst - Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please > Hi all: > > I just received a box of miniatures, and opening the shipping box, was > cataloging them. I also picked up a specimen that I got some time ago, > but had never cataloged. > > When I pulled out the labels, there was a little slip under the cotton in > the box, that said "Cerussit min Mimetesit, Altfund Tsumeb, Namibia". I > wonder if you could tell me what Altfund means? > > Thanks, > JR > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 15 09:01:09 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 15 09:01:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please In-Reply-To: <43A0D915.3DF2@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: or perhaps (more to the spirit than to the letter): - historic location Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: donderdag 15 december 2005 3:50 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Label translation assistance, please J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi all: > > I just received a box of miniatures, and opening the shipping box, was cataloging them. I also picked up a specimen that I got some time ago, but had never cataloged. > > When I pulled out the labels, there was a little slip under the cotton in the box, that said "Cerussit min Mimetesit, Altfund Tsumeb, Namibia". I wonder if you could tell me what Altfund means? > > Thanks, > JR JR, A quick Google search tells me that 'Altfund' is German for 'old find'. Kreigh _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Thu Dec 15 16:33:07 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 15 16:33:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] blacklight bulbs Message-ID: <215.fe919a3.30d36543@aol.com> Paul: While the short wave bulbs are not cheap, they are not the expensive part of the proposition. The filters are the big expense. While black light bulbs will give you long wave, they also throw off a lot of visible light. Generally for displays a long wave bulb and less expensive filter can be used for Long wave. Still some minerals are really unimpressive under long and short wave but really are bright under mid range so depending on what you want to show off you could need up to 3 bulbs. Sometimes you can come by a used lamp a lot cheaper than a new one but you need to be careful because the filters wear out. The older ones used to wear out a lot faster but the new ones still do not have indefinite life. Bill Gardner makes a 3 Way lamp, but it may not have enough power for a display. A number of folks can get those for you (including me if you don't have someone right nearby). I happen to like his lamp a lot for inspecting specimens. Depending on the size of your display you may be able to use some less expensive lamps that are a little less powerful than the typical display lamp. I have some short wave lamps available that were originally custom made for displays with mounting holes in the cases, that might fit your needs and budget. The original manufacturer got stuck with the lamps when the company who ordered them backed out of the deal. Used or refurbished lamps are also an option. UV Bob usually has some used lamps at good prices, and there are others who have used lamps. So the message is there is probably a lamp that will meet your needs, that while not cheap will not put a huge hole in your pocketbook. Yeah, I know you thought I only liked fossils,.... well it's actually the 2 F's. Fossils and fluorescents. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:25:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, efkern@earthlink.net writes: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] blacklight bulbs I am building a display case and I would like to have a section for fluorescent minerals. Can I have a 2 bulb fluorescent light fixture and put one each SW and LW bulbs in it? Would it show the complete spectrum then? Also, where can I find SW and LW bulbs? I have found a gazillion bulbs on the net but none that state what the wavelength is. Paul in Marietta _______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Dec 16 04:09:40 2005 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Dec 16 04:09:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Another New Book... Message-ID: <20051216120940.422.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all I have another full colour mineral book available. It is the first image supplement of my mineral collection - minerals from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. It contains almost 100 pages of photos of minerals as well as an extensive list of the minerals recorded in the UK and Ireland. I have produced this publication for purely selfish reasons. I wanted to have an alternative way of enjoying my collection without having to take out each individual specimen and view it under my microscope. It?s an added bonus if others can also get some enjoyment. There is a downloadable or print version available. You can see it at http://people.lulu.com/users/index.php?fHomepage=198497 Regards Steve From JScully216 at aol.com Fri Dec 16 15:56:34 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 16 15:56:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pombo Amendment Dead Message-ID: <1a0.42b9c446.30d4ae32@aol.com> _Editorials/Op-Ed Home_ (http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html) _Editorials_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/editorials/) _Columnists_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/) _Contributors_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/contributors/) _Letters_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/letters/) _New York/Region Opinions_ (http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/nyregionopinions/index.html) Editorial Protecting Public Lands * _E-Mail This_ (javascript:document.emailThis.submit();) * _Printer-Friendly_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/15/opinion/15thu2.html?oref=login&emc=eta1&pagewanted=print) (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/15/opinion/15thu2.html?oref=login&emc=eta1&pagewanted=all) * _Save Article_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/15/opinion/15thu2.html?emc=eta1&oref=login#) Published: December 15, 2005 In a legislative season that has produced few victories for the environment, the sudden death of a destructive mining provision that could have opened up millions of acres of public land to commercial exploitation is cause for celebration. The provision was inserted into the budget reconciliation bill - always a handy hiding place for ideas that could never stand up to public scrutiny on their own - by Representatives Jim Gibbons of Nevada and Richard Pombo of California, both Republicans. Mr. Gibbons's decision to withdraw it reflected not so much a change of heart as a recognition of political reality. Their stealth proposal had inspired intense opposition among hunters, anglers, governors, local officials and countless ordinary citizens who argued that there were many nobler uses for the public lands than serving as a profit center for commercial interests. The Gibbons-Pombo provision would have allowed the holders of mining claims to buy land outright instead of leasing it - a radical departure from present practice. It would also have amended the General Mining Law of 1872 to allow purchases not just for mining, but for any purpose that would "facilitate sustainable economic development." By some calculations, that dangerously vague formulation would have exposed at least 6 million acres and perhaps as much as 350 million acres to commercial exploitation. Even conservative Western lawmakers who do not usually favor environmental causes saw this for what it was: a potentially unparalleled raid on America's public lands. The controversy stirred by the Gibbons-Pombo maneuver has been so great that there is even reason to hope that proposals for real reform of the antiquated mining law will at last receive a respectable hearing. Representatives Nick Rahall II and Jay Inslee, both Democrats, and Christopher Shays, a Republican, have put forward a bill to give permanent protection to lands that are now vulnerable to claims, like wildlife refuges and roadless areas of the national forests. The bill would also require "suitability" reviews before mining could proceed, and would allow the secretary of the interior to withdraw lands judged unsuitable for mining. It would also require mining companies to pay royalties on what they produced - just as oil and gas companies do now - and to clean up their messes when they were through. Many of these reforms were instituted administratively by Bruce Babbitt when he was secretary of the interior under President Bill Clinton, but were withdrawn by the Bush administration at the insistence of mining interests. It would be a delightful reversal of fortune if Mr. Gibbons and Mr. Pombo, who are no friends of the public lands, ended up inspiring new protections for them. _More Articles in Opinion >_ (http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From web_admin at ccfms.ca Fri Dec 16 19:38:26 2005 From: web_admin at ccfms.ca (CCFMS Web Admin) Date: Fri Dec 16 19:38:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Message-ID: <000001c602bb$56c50450$ab1670d1@sdouglas> Greetings all, I spent a few days last month gathering online information from various rock, gem, fossil, mineral & lapidary clubs and societies across Canada & the United States. This project has resulted in the most up-to-date listing of online clubs and societies on the web today! I know this is bit like reinventing the wheel, but I intend to keep this wheel spinning by checking the validity of each link once a month, deleting any that do not work. Furthermore, once, maybe twice a year, I will do a comprehensive search for new sites. I will also make additions/deletions to my list if I am contacted by a club. I present the fruits of my labour on the Central Canadian Federation of Mineralogical Societies (CCFMS) website at http://www.ccfms.ca/ The actual listing is featured at http://www.ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/other_clubs.htm Enjoy! Stephen Douglas CCFMS Web Admin. web_admin@ccfms.ca http://www.ccfms.ca/ PS. I'll accept and welcome any comments or criticism about the website off-list at web_admin@ccfms.ca, thanks. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Fri Dec 16 22:56:30 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:56:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA In-Reply-To: <000001c602bb$56c50450$ab1670d1@sdouglas> Message-ID: <200512170656.jBH6uU3q011012@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Stephen, Your website doesn't seem to work. Could there be a typo in the URL? I even tried just http://www.ccfms.ca/ and Internet Explorer says it can't find the server. Maybe it is just a temporary hiccup. I'll try again tomorrow. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of CCFMS Web Admin Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:38 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Greetings all, I spent a few days last month gathering online information from various rock, gem, fossil, mineral & lapidary clubs and societies across Canada & the United States. This project has resulted in the most up-to-date listing of online clubs and societies on the web today! I know this is bit like reinventing the wheel, but I intend to keep this wheel spinning by checking the validity of each link once a month, deleting any that do not work. Furthermore, once, maybe twice a year, I will do a comprehensive search for new sites. I will also make additions/deletions to my list if I am contacted by a club. I present the fruits of my labour on the Central Canadian Federation of Mineralogical Societies (CCFMS) website at http://www.ccfms.ca/ The actual listing is featured at http://www.ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/other_clubs.htm Enjoy! Stephen Douglas CCFMS Web Admin. web_admin@ccfms.ca http://www.ccfms.ca/ PS. I'll accept and welcome any comments or criticism about the website off-list at web_admin@ccfms.ca, thanks. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Lapidry at aol.com Sat Dec 17 05:18:31 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 17 05:18:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Message-ID: <9b.6d94be90.30d56a27@aol.com> Bob: Did you do the same thing I did and retype the address in lower case? It would seem that this is one of the websites that's case sensitive, some are. I had to have Online_Resources capitalized. Hope this helps.... if you can't get there any other way, I already added the site to the Eastern Federation list of links. You can get there from: _http://www.amfed.org/efmls/links.htm_ (http://www.amfed.org/efmls/links.htm) - it's the very first link on the page. Dan In a message dated 12/17/2005 1:56:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, bobl@peaktopeak.com writes: Hi Stephen, Your website doesn't seem to work. Could there be a typo in the URL? I even tried just http://www.ccfms.ca/ and Internet Explorer says it can't find the server. Maybe it is just a temporary hiccup. I'll try again tomorrow. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of CCFMS Web Admin Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:38 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Greetings all, I spent a few days last month gathering online information from various rock, gem, fossil, mineral & lapidary clubs and societies across Canada & the United States. This project has resulted in the most up-to-date listing of online clubs and societies on the web today! I know this is bit like reinventing the wheel, but I intend to keep this wheel spinning by checking the validity of each link once a month, deleting any that do not work. Furthermore, once, maybe twice a year, I will do a comprehensive search for new sites. I will also make additions/deletions to my list if I am contacted by a club. I present the fruits of my labour on the Central Canadian Federation of Mineralogical Societies (CCFMS) website at http://www.ccfms.ca/ The actual listing is featured at http://www.ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/other_clubs.htm Enjoy! Stephen Douglas CCFMS Web Admin. web_admin@ccfms.ca http://www.ccfms.ca/ PS. I'll accept and welcome any comments or criticism about the website off-list at web_admin@ccfms.ca, thanks. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From web_admin at ccfms.ca Sat Dec 17 05:26:25 2005 From: web_admin at ccfms.ca (CCFMS Web Admin) Date: Sat Dec 17 05:26:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA In-Reply-To: <200512170656.jBH6uU3q011012@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000001c6030d$7ab37fc0$cf3cbfd8@sdouglas> Hi Bob, It must have been a temporary hiccup. Try http://www.ccfms.ca/ again. Cheers, Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:bobl@peaktopeak.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:57 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Hi Stephen, Your website doesn't seem to work. Could there be a typo in the URL? I even tried just http://www.ccfms.ca/ and Internet Explorer says it can't find the server. Maybe it is just a temporary hiccup. I'll try again tomorrow. Regards, Bob From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 17 06:22:39 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 17 06:22:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Message-ID: <121720051422.28188.43A41F2E0003FD5200006E1C216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Stephen, (Your website link seems to work fine now.) It looks like a very good & comprehensive site. How about, as an addition to your club list, adding a link to the Friends of Mineralogy? We are at, http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/ I tried to figure out if it was listed anywhere, but couldn't find it, and could not figure out where to look on your site for it, since it's not linked to any one state, in fact it is not just a U.S. but an international organization, we have members in Canada and many other countries, plus 7 regional (U.S.) chapters. (The chapaters should be worth listing in your U.S. state club list too--though each has a headquarters in a particular state, most are regional encompassing several adjacent states.). I'll let you figure out where on your site, FM might fit into your list format! Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO -------------- Original message from "CCFMS Web Admin" : -------------- > Greetings all, > > I spent a few days last month gathering online information from various > rock, gem, fossil, mineral & lapidary clubs and societies across Canada > & the United States. This project has resulted in the most up-to-date > listing of online clubs and societies on the web today! > > I know this is bit like reinventing the wheel, but I intend to keep this > wheel spinning by checking the validity of each link once a month, > deleting any that do not work. Furthermore, once, maybe twice a year, I > will do a comprehensive search for new sites. I will also make > additions/deletions to my list if I am contacted by a club. > > I present the fruits of my labour on the Central Canadian Federation of > Mineralogical Societies (CCFMS) website at http://www.ccfms.ca/ > > The actual listing is featured at > http://www.ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/other_clubs.htm > > Enjoy! > > Stephen Douglas > CCFMS Web Admin. > web_admin@ccfms.ca > http://www.ccfms.ca/ > > > PS. I'll accept and welcome any comments or criticism about the website > off-list at web_admin@ccfms.ca, thanks. > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From info at wisdomofstones.com Sat Dec 17 06:38:12 2005 From: info at wisdomofstones.com (Wisdom of Stones) Date: Sat Dec 17 06:37:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need help determining rock types and geologic information In-Reply-To: <1a0.42b9c446.30d4ae32@aol.com> Message-ID: A long posting, with questions and requests. I have a bag of stones I'm needing to identify as igneous, metamorphic or sedimentary. I'm not able to break them open because of what they are being used for nor do I have enough knowledge about rocks or the process one uses to identify them. I've read some books, tried to compare what I have with the photos, but still am uncertain of what I have. I love stones and work with them in different ways, e.g. art, therapy, and scientific inquiry of a bio-eco/psycho-social-spiritual nature. Am wondering if there is someone in the Chicago or suburban area (within 50-100 miles) who could contact me if 1) they know how to determine rock types as noted above, and 2) who could meet with me (I can come to you) to help determine what kind of stones I have. There are about 30 small stones total. I'm also open to talking with people outside the Chicago and greater Chicago area but I need to sit down with someone who can look at the stones I have unless their type can be determined by photos I have. I need to have this done within the next couple of weeks which I know is difficult, given its the holidays, and work schedules etc. In any case, I thought I would ask and see. I may have some flexibility on time, but not much given a deadline I need to meet. On a separate but related note, I'm also looking for a chart, photo, or information that shows the mineral and/or geologic makeup of us human beings. Would like a color coded topographic type "map" if possible, like a geologic survey of the human being. Have no idea if something like this even exists but again, thought I would ask. For those wondering, my question about the "geologic chart of human being" stems from my interest in medicine, psychology, the ecosystems in which we live, and the research I'm doing in this area. I'm a licensed clinical therapist, pragmatic intuitive and empath exploring the connection between the natural connection we (humans) have to the earth and more than that, how we *are* earth, and then of course, what does that mean to our connection to the sky and beyond, given what the earth is made of. Stones are for me, one of my primary gateways into exploring this question. In any case, for those interested in responding to either of my questions (or comments), but who believe them to be off-topic, please contact me offline at jenniferisham@sbcglobal.net or if that bounces for some reason, wisdomofstones@hotmail.com. I've posted to this board before, have not had time to follow-up as much as I want (still owe you an email Tango juli and Steve) and hope to become more active as I declutter myself from other parts of my life, and make more time for the areas of this list in which I can best participate, both as contributor and requestor. Thanks to all who've read through this email. Appreciate your time and hope some of you can help as well. :-) Jennifer From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sat Dec 17 14:02:42 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat Dec 17 14:03:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA In-Reply-To: <000001c6030d$7ab37fc0$cf3cbfd8@sdouglas> Message-ID: <200512172203.jBHM3ObP004187@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Stephen (and Dan), Yeah, it was a temporary hiccup because I can access it now. The website looks great! One comment: Can you link the USA pages together (like "Previous Page" and "Next Page" links at the top and bottom so we don't have to go back to the "Other Clubs" page each time we need to move between the 3 USA pages? Thanks for this very good resource! I'm going to add a link to it from the North Jeffco club (Colorado) website. Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of CCFMS Web Admin Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:26 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Hi Bob, It must have been a temporary hiccup. Try http://www.ccfms.ca/ again. Cheers, Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:bobl@peaktopeak.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:57 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] List of Club Sites in Canada & the USA Hi Stephen, Your website doesn't seem to work. Could there be a typo in the URL? I even tried just http://www.ccfms.ca/ and Internet Explorer says it can't find the server. Maybe it is just a temporary hiccup. I'll try again tomorrow. Regards, Bob _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From TomE61 at aol.com Sat Dec 17 18:34:21 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 17 18:34:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: List of Mineral Clubs, etc. Message-ID: <2c8.6384c1.30d624ad@aol.com> Wow, great job ! All I can say is that if this is "reinventing the wheel", then what we had BEFORE was a 1930's version of a multi-spoked, rubber-coated wheel VERSUS what you given us, a titanium-alloy all weather and all terrain wheel. I know there are a lot of "list" sites out there, but like many of the sites that detail places to go and collect, they're not always current and up to date. Thanks for the great first effort ! Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 18 21:13:27 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 18 21:13:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock dust may be bad for people, but plants seem to like it Message-ID: <43A64172.CC4@Tomaszewski.net> The original website http://www.rosneath.com.au/ipc6/ch02/oldfield/ appears to be down as I write this, but Google still has the details cached at http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:6tXG3knJUAwJ:www.rosneath.com.au/ipc6/ch02/oldfield/++australian++research+into+life+forms+such+as+rocks&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&strip=1 (btw, the long url may wrap). Everything humans use is either grown or mined, and plants (at the bottom of the food chain) do their own mining; everything involved with humans comes from minerals. As a rockhound and gardener I thought this was interesting enough to share with the list. I need to thank Brian for passing this link to me off-list. I hope you also find it interesting. Kreigh From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Dec 18 21:37:25 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Dec 18 21:37:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock dust may be bad for people, but plants seem tolike it References: <43A64172.CC4@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00f401c6045e$4afeb040$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I don't know about wheat, but it seems all my potted plants like it. I got lazy one day and instead of carrying my bucket of rock sludge and water outside to dump, I poured it on some of my potted plants wintering on my back porch. But only on the cheaper replaceable one at first because I didn't know what the sudden addition of minerals might do to the plants. Nobody died or showed any ill effects for the first few weeks so I started giving everybody a taste of "rock dust". I will say my bougainvillea bloomed better this year than it has in many years. The hibiscus seem to have greener lusher leaves than usual. I didn't do it scientifically and keep one unfed as a control. Could be an interesting experiment to see if it does make a difference. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock dust may be bad for people, but plants seem to like it > The original website > > http://www.rosneath.com.au/ipc6/ch02/oldfield/ > > appears to be down as I write this, but Google still has the details > cached at > > > http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:6tXG3knJUAwJ:www.rosneath.com.au/ipc6/ch02/oldfield/++australian++research+into+life+forms+such+as+rocks&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&strip=1 From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Dec 19 04:01:56 2005 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Dec 19 04:00:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Is Allen Silverstein still with us? In-Reply-To: <00f401c6045e$4afeb040$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <43A64172.CC4@Tomaszewski.net> <00f401c6045e$4afeb040$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <43A6A134.1050405@verizon.net> greetings, Pardon the odd message, but I was just informed via e-mail that collector " Allen Silverstean" passed away. Could that have been our list member Allen Silverstein? I hope not. Regards to all, Don From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Dec 19 12:08:26 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Dec 19 12:08:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Is Allen Silverstein still with us? Message-ID: <121920052008.17457.43A71339000C935700004431216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Aha!, Don, it took me reading this earlier & coming back to it, to make the connections, no one else has answered, but I believe the person on our list is Alan GOLDstein, not Allen Silverstein! Close, but not in the money. I'm sure our Alan is all OK, too bad about the other gentleman, Pete -------------- Original message from DonH : -------------- > > greetings, > > Pardon the odd message, but I was just informed via e-mail that > collector " Allen Silverstean" passed away. Could that have been our > list member Allen Silverstein? I hope not. > > Regards to all, > Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 12:09:44 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Mon Dec 19 12:09:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report Message-ID: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: I shopped for all-glass display cabinets, only to discover that they cost from $2700 up, beyond my will to spend. So I kept my eye open for opportunities to buy used equipment from a closing retail shop of some sort. Several months ago I found a housewares (aroma candles, artificial flowers, draperies, etc) shop closing in a downtown that is becoming non-retail, and they had two 4x4x4 foot display cubes of glass panes (13.5x12 and 13.5x13.5 inches) connected with steel gadgets with plastic screws to hold the glass. $50 each, a deal. It took me all afternoon to dismantle and load into the back of my truck. Estimated weight about 500 lbs!! I've seen this shelving used by mobile dealers, with halogen lamps on top, and it's pretty flexible in that you can make the shelving any shape you want (as long as it's divisible by 13.5!). The metal clamps come in 3 flavors, simple 90 degree connect-a-corner, a tee shape to connect 3 pieces, two in-line and one at 90 degrees (like this: __|__ ), and 4-way, which connects two shelves to two uprights. You need two connectors for each intersection of two panes of glass. I put up about 1/4 of the glass (Maybe a third?), and used more than 100% of the 90-degree connectors, much to my surprise. I guess the configuration I built just needs a higher proportion of the 90 degree corner connecters. Question 1 - does anyone know where I can get additional metal connectors and soft plastic screws for these shelves? The tempered glass can be had at any glass shop, but the connectors, that make the glass useful, they're not available around here. The plastic screws are very soft to keep from breaking the glass, but it also makes them fragile, so installing and dismanteling the shelves wears the screws pretty badly. There were a bunch of specimen dealers using these at the Carnegie Show last month, so I know they aren't that uncommon. If you know of a source, let me know. Question 2: About that mounting tack, I have several packages of neutral colored tack from Staples. It's been around a long while, and won't even stick to itself. It just is too stiff to work up. What could be used to rejuvinate this stuff? Maybe I just need to dip it in boiling oil? Maybe I should just look for new earthquake putty? I have a lot of little rocks that could stand to be mounted in mini boxes or perky boxes, but without a good source of tack... Now for the report: I'm finally able to show off much of the collection in the living space. The rocks look great, floating on glass, compared to how they look wrapped in bubble wrap in a box!! There's so much room I'm happy for Martha to add glassware to the display, she's accumulated some nice art cameo glass, and some lovely old hand-painted family china. I'm actually having fun picking which rocks go on the glass shelves, and how to arrange them to best their potential. And it only cost $100 (plus 800 hours of labor! Well, 40 or 50, anyhow) and a gallon of Windex! I can tell the dust and fingerprints will take some maintenance, but I'm willing. I'm going to look for articulated-type ldesk amps that clamp on, I've built the shelves wrapped around a stairwell, and plan to clamp the lamps onto the top of the railing behind the shelves, and use halogen floods in the lamps up above the top of the shelves... I'm nearly there! So keep your eyes peeled if you need display shelves, a closing store may be the answer to your needs. JR in WV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Dec 19 12:24:30 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Dec 19 12:26:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report In-Reply-To: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43A716FE.3070601@tenforward.com> Hi J.R., Here ya go for your glass displays and adapters... http://www.arizonacase.com/14_Store%20Fixtures.htm Arizona Case 1-800-528-0195 All the very best, John J. R. Hodel wrote: >Hi: > > I shopped for all-glass display cabinets, only to discover that they cost from $2700 up, beyond my will to spend. So I kept my eye open for opportunities to buy used equipment from a closing retail shop of some sort. > > Several months ago I found a housewares (aroma candles, artificial flowers, draperies, etc) shop closing in a downtown that is becoming non-retail, and they had two 4x4x4 foot display cubes of glass panes (13.5x12 and 13.5x13.5 inches) connected with steel gadgets with plastic screws to hold the glass. $50 each, a deal. It took me all afternoon to dismantle and load into the back of my truck. Estimated weight about 500 lbs!! > > I've seen this shelving used by mobile dealers, with halogen lamps on top, and it's pretty flexible in that you can make the shelving any shape you want (as long as it's divisible by 13.5!). > > The metal clamps come in 3 flavors, simple 90 degree connect-a-corner, a tee shape to connect 3 pieces, two in-line and one at 90 degrees (like this: __|__ ), and 4-way, which connects two shelves to two uprights. > > You need two connectors for each intersection of two panes of glass. I put up about 1/4 of the glass (Maybe a third?), and used more than 100% of the 90-degree connectors, much to my surprise. I guess the configuration I built just needs a higher proportion of the 90 degree corner connecters. > > Question 1 - does anyone know where I can get additional metal connectors and soft plastic screws for these shelves? The tempered glass can be had at any glass shop, but the connectors, that make the glass useful, they're not available around here. The plastic screws are very soft to keep from breaking the glass, but it also makes them fragile, so installing and dismanteling the shelves wears the screws pretty badly. > > There were a bunch of specimen dealers using these at the Carnegie Show last month, so I know they aren't that uncommon. If you know of a source, let me know. > > Question 2: About that mounting tack, I have several packages of neutral colored tack from Staples. It's been around a long while, and won't even stick to itself. It just is too stiff to work up. What could be used to rejuvinate this stuff? Maybe I just need to dip it in boiling oil? Maybe I should just look for new earthquake putty? I have a lot of little rocks that could stand to be mounted in mini boxes or perky boxes, but without a good source of tack... > > Now for the report: > > I'm finally able to show off much of the collection in the living space. The rocks look great, floating on glass, compared to how they look wrapped in bubble wrap in a box!! There's so much room I'm happy for Martha to add glassware to the display, she's accumulated some nice art cameo glass, and some lovely old hand-painted family china. I'm actually having fun picking which rocks go on the glass shelves, and how to arrange them to best their potential. > > And it only cost $100 (plus 800 hours of labor! Well, 40 or 50, anyhow) and a gallon of Windex! I can tell the dust and fingerprints will take some maintenance, but I'm willing. > > I'm going to look for articulated-type ldesk amps that clamp on, I've built the shelves wrapped around a stairwell, and plan to clamp the lamps onto the top of the railing behind the shelves, and use halogen floods in the lamps up above the top of the shelves... I'm nearly there! > > So keep your eyes peeled if you need display shelves, a closing store may be the answer to your needs. > > JR in WV > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From albalmer at att.net Mon Dec 19 14:00:34 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Dec 19 14:00:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report In-Reply-To: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43A72D82.70500@att.net> J. R. Hodel wrote: > Hi: > > I shopped for all-glass display cabinets, only to discover that they > cost from $2700 up, beyond my will to spend. So I kept my eye open > for opportunities to buy used equipment from a closing retail shop of > some sort. > > Several months ago I found a housewares (aroma candles, artificial > flowers, draperies, etc) shop closing in a downtown that is becoming > non-retail, and they had two 4x4x4 foot display cubes of glass panes > (13.5x12 and 13.5x13.5 inches) connected with steel gadgets with > plastic screws to hold the glass. $50 each, a deal. It took me all > afternoon to dismantle and load into the back of my truck. Estimated > weight about 500 lbs!! > > I've seen this shelving used by mobile dealers, with halogen lamps on > top, and it's pretty flexible in that you can make the shelving any > shape you want (as long as it's divisible by 13.5!). > > The metal clamps come in 3 flavors, simple 90 degree > connect-a-corner, a tee shape to connect 3 pieces, two in-line and > one at 90 degrees (like this: __|__ ), and 4-way, which connects two > shelves to two uprights. > Also, there are two-way and three-way 120 degree connectors, hinges to make doors, and hasps if you want to lock the doors. > You need two connectors for each intersection of two panes of glass. > I put up about 1/4 of the glass (Maybe a third?), and used more than > 100% of the 90-degree connectors, much to my surprise. I guess the > configuration I built just needs a higher proportion of the 90 degree > corner connecters. > > Question 1 - does anyone know where I can get additional metal > connectors and soft plastic screws for these shelves? The tempered > glass can be had at any glass shop, but the connectors, that make the > glass useful, they're not available around here. The plastic screws > are very soft to keep from breaking the glass, but it also makes them > fragile, so installing and dismanteling the shelves wears the screws > pretty badly. http://onsmartpages.com/storefixturesusa/glassdisplaysaccessories/ is one source. I haven't ordered anything from them yet, but their prices seem better than others I've seen. The screws are 200/12.00, but I don't know if they're a standard size. Like you, I bought a used display, mine is from an antique dealer. > From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 16:40:21 2005 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scott Blair) Date: Mon Dec 19 16:40:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43A72D82.70500@att.net> Message-ID: Dear list: One source of a particular size of inexpensive glass display case is Ikea. The case stands 5 feet 4 inches tall, and is approx 15 inches wide, and 13 inches deep. The cost is only $59.99, when you buy from an Ikea store that is not a franchise. Some Ikea stores have been sold to other operators, and the cost of the same product is higher. The case is beautiful and a great deal for the price. Here's the link. http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=12&catalogId=10103&langId=-1&topcategoryId=15561&parentCats=15561*15639*15645&categoryId=15645&cattype=sub Another good source of the plate glass and connectors is Grand & Benedicts, out of Portland. They've got a greater variety of sizes of the plate glass than some other companies carrying similar products. http://www.grand-benedicts.com/ Warm Regards - Scott Blair From jtsonn at nwi.net Mon Dec 19 16:45:32 2005 From: jtsonn at nwi.net (jtsonn) Date: Mon Dec 19 17:44:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43A72D82.70500@att.net> Message-ID: <000601c604fe$afceae80$638b82ce@jtsonn> Scott: I would like to know within reason or proximity where you live Jerry Sonney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Blair" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report > Dear list: > > One source of a particular size of inexpensive glass display case is Ikea. > The case stands 5 feet 4 inches tall, and is approx 15 inches wide, and 13 > inches deep. The cost is only $59.99, when you buy from an Ikea store that > is not a franchise. Some Ikea stores have been sold to other operators, and > the cost of the same product is higher. The case is beautiful and a great > deal for the price. Here's the link. > http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=12&cat alogId=10103&langId=-1&topcategoryId=15561&parentCats=15561*15639*15645&cate goryId=15645&cattype=sub > > Another good source of the plate glass and connectors is Grand & Benedicts, > out of Portland. They've got a greater variety of sizes of the plate glass > than some other companies carrying similar products. > > http://www.grand-benedicts.com/ > > Warm Regards - Scott Blair > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Dec 19 15:53:18 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Dec 19 17:58:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43A716FE.3070601@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <006d01c604f7$66b97060$0300a8c0@otie> Thanks John! Some years ago, when I lived in Portland, OR, I helped clear out a local warehouse that included several truckloads of shelving glass. I moved it all to Sauvie Island, then to Idaho, then to Vancouver, then back to Idaho. Julie thought I was nuts until she saw these adapters. Now we have a plan for a huge glass tower for displaying specimens. Too cool! John Siebel Santa, Idaho From: "John and Gloria Cornish" > Here ya go for your glass displays and adapters... From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 18:13:12 2005 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scott Blair) Date: Mon Dec 19 18:13:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43A72D82.70500@att.net> <000601c604fe$afceae80$638b82ce@jtsonn> Message-ID: Dear Jerry: I live in southern Oregon, near the city of Ashland, which is about 10 miles from the N. California border. Wrm Regards - Scott Blair ----- Original Message ----- From: "jtsonn" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report > Scott: > I would like to know within reason or proximity where you live > Jerry Sonney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Blair" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a > report > > > > Dear list: > > > > One source of a particular size of inexpensive glass display case is Ikea. > > The case stands 5 feet 4 inches tall, and is approx 15 inches wide, and 13 > > inches deep. The cost is only $59.99, when you buy from an Ikea store > that > > is not a franchise. Some Ikea stores have been sold to other operators, > and > > the cost of the same product is higher. The case is beautiful and a great > > deal for the price. Here's the link. > > > http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=12&cat > alogId=10103&langId=-1&topcategoryId=15561&parentCats=15561*15639*15645&cate > goryId=15645&cattype=sub > > > > Another good source of the plate glass and connectors is Grand & > Benedicts, > > out of Portland. They've got a greater variety of sizes of the plate glass > > than some other companies carrying similar products. > > > > http://www.grand-benedicts.com/ > > > > Warm Regards - Scott Blair > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jtsonn at nwi.net Mon Dec 19 17:58:59 2005 From: jtsonn at nwi.net (jtsonn) Date: Mon Dec 19 18:51:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43A72D82.70500@att.net><000601c604fe$afceae80$638b82ce@jtsonn> Message-ID: <000701c60508$f26c5120$548b82ce@jtsonn> Scott: I am very familiar with Ashland. However The Scott Blair I know lives near Chelan Wa. about 40 miles north of Wenatchee. Not a real common name so I had to ask. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Blair" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report > Dear Jerry: > > I live in southern Oregon, near the city of Ashland, which is about 10 > miles from the N. California border. > > Wrm Regards - Scott Blair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jtsonn" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a > report > > > > Scott: > > I would like to know within reason or proximity where you live > > Jerry Sonney > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Blair" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a > > report > > > > > > > Dear list: > > > > > > One source of a particular size of inexpensive glass display case is > Ikea. > > > The case stands 5 feet 4 inches tall, and is approx 15 inches wide, and > 13 > > > inches deep. The cost is only $59.99, when you buy from an Ikea store > > that > > > is not a franchise. Some Ikea stores have been sold to other operators, > > and > > > the cost of the same product is higher. The case is beautiful and a > great > > > deal for the price. Here's the link. > > > > > > http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=12&cat > > > alogId=10103&langId=-1&topcategoryId=15561&parentCats=15561*15639*15645&cate > > goryId=15645&cattype=sub > > > > > > Another good source of the plate glass and connectors is Grand & > > Benedicts, > > > out of Portland. They've got a greater variety of sizes of the plate > glass > > > than some other companies carrying similar products. > > > > > > http://www.grand-benedicts.com/ > > > > > > Warm Regards - Scott Blair > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From jr50wv at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 10:15:24 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Tue Dec 20 10:15:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Display references Message-ID: <20051220181524.514.qmail@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: Thanks everyone for the many good references to various vendors of display materials, that will be a big help to us. This list comes through with answers to the most random set of hard questions. Thanks, JR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 10:50:43 2005 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scott Blair) Date: Tue Dec 20 10:50:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report References: <20051219200944.74548.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43A72D82.70500@att.net><000601c604fe$afceae80$638b82ce@jtsonn> <000701c60508$f26c5120$548b82ce@jtsonn> Message-ID: Nope, that's not me. But my credit record once got besmirched by a Scott L Blair (same middle initial as me) in Seattle. Take care - Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "jtsonn" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a report > Scott: > I am very familiar with Ashland. However The Scott Blair I know lives near > Chelan Wa. about 40 miles north of Wenatchee. > Not a real common name so I had to ask. > Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Blair" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a > report > > > > Dear Jerry: > > > > I live in southern Oregon, near the city of Ashland, which is about 10 > > miles from the N. California border. > > > > Wrm Regards - Scott Blair > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jtsonn" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a > > report > > > > > > > Scott: > > > I would like to know within reason or proximity where you live > > > Jerry Sonney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Blair" > > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collection display equipment, questions and a > > > report > > > > > > > > > > Dear list: > > > > > > > > One source of a particular size of inexpensive glass display case is > > Ikea. > > > > The case stands 5 feet 4 inches tall, and is approx 15 inches wide, > and > > 13 > > > > inches deep. The cost is only $59.99, when you buy from an Ikea store > > > that > > > > is not a franchise. Some Ikea stores have been sold to other > operators, > > > and > > > > the cost of the same product is higher. The case is beautiful and a > > great > > > > deal for the price. Here's the link. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=12&cat > > > > > > alogId=10103&langId=-1&topcategoryId=15561&parentCats=15561*15639*15645&cate > > > goryId=15645&cattype=sub > > > > > > > > Another good source of the plate glass and connectors is Grand & > > > Benedicts, > > > > out of Portland. They've got a greater variety of sizes of the plate > > glass > > > > than some other companies carrying similar products. > > > > > > > > http://www.grand-benedicts.com/ > > > > > > > > Warm Regards - Scott Blair > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rik.dillen at skynet.be Tue Dec 20 13:56:57 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Dec 20 13:57:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson not J.I.T. ... Message-ID: <003b01c605b0$4c7b74a0$eb60c950@Rik> Dear friends, I will be in Tucson, right place, wrong moment... I will participate in a conference (the two-yearly Winter Conference on Plasma Spectrochemistry) the first half of January. The organisers found it a neat idea that a non-American would give the conference participants a complete different view of the conference town compared to what they are used to see... and therefore I was invited to give the Conference Dinner talk "Treasure hunting in Tucson". The subject will, of course, be the yearly Tucson mineral shows. I have stacks of slides (I only changed over to digital last year), but if anyone of you has either humoristic or spectacular photos, or anecdotic stories on the shows, I would be very glad if you could share them with me and... possibly with my audience. I'm especially after humoristic stuff, odd views, unusual behaviour... Thanks for any help, for any material and, of course, your permission to use it. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Dec 20 14:30:43 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Dec 20 14:30:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need help determining rock types and geologic information Message-ID: <122020052230.22.43A886130000643700000016216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Dear Jennifer, I don't know if you have received any other answers offline to your string of questions, but let me try to write at least a partial answer to some of them, and I'll post this to our Rockhounds group because some of it may be of general interest. Many of us, of course, are very skeptical about the properties that others may attach to stones, but that doesn't need to stop one from trying to share some answers and information. For a start, your question about the human body, I searched online and found almost this same question asked and answered; if you go to, http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may99/927309210.An.q.html you'll see the question, and click on the "Re:..." line toward the bottom, you'll see a fairly detailed answer. There are, of course, to ways to interpret that question, "what minerals is the human body composed of?". One is to answer with the percentages of the different inorganic ("mineral") chemical elements that are present in the body, because that is what we commonly refer to as "minerals", and that is the way the Q&A above approaches this. They other interpretation is if one means, "what actual mineral compounds" (meaning, mineral = a naturally present chemical compound or pure chemical element) are present in the body? This is a question with fewer answers, because most of the elements present that are loosely called "minerals", are not actually in any crystallized, solid, inorganic form in the human body. A lot of these elements are present in solution (in the blood or other fluids), or in organic molecules (hemoglobin in red blood cells, etc.), so, most of the iron, potassium, sodium, iodine, sulfur, chlorine, magnesium, etc., are present in these non-solid forms, and are not "minerals" in the sense we consider solid, crystalline compounds to be minerals. The main exception is calcium phosphate, which forms the mineral apatite, which is what bones and teeth are made of. (Further, "minerals" that are part of or formed by a living organism, are normally not considered "minerals" in the strict, geological sense. They are considered part of the biological realm, because a "mineral" is strictly defined as a naturally occurring, crystalline compound or element, formed in the earth by natural inorganic processes. There are a lot of arguments and "quibbles" about the details of this definition; in recent years, "minerals" that are formed within living organisms, have often been refered to as "biominerals", which kind of span the gap between what is "biological" and "mineral".) As to your question about determining which of the rocks you have are igneous, metamorphic, or sedimentary, in lieu of finding someone to examine your stones in person, here are several websites that have good pictures and descriptions of these various kinds of rocks, which may help you: rock types: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/1080/ rock types: http://www.gc.maricopa.edu/earthsci/imagearchive/sedimentary.htm Identifying rocks: http://www.em.gov.bc.ca/Mining/Geolsurv/Publications/InfoCirc/IC1987-05/intro.htm pictures: http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/leveson/core/graphics/snappy-rocks/rock_display.html Keep in mind a few things; that it is not easy, even for an "expert", to identify every rock that one picks up, especially if one is not sure where they came from, and if it is a stone that is small, rounded, grayish, fine-grained, and kind of nondescript. There are some distinct features that clearly show whether a rock is igneous, metamorphic, etc., and when we show rock samples to classes learning about they, we make sure we pick out rocks that are "textbook examples" of these features. But if none of these distinctive features is present in a given rock, and often they are not, then it really becomes a guessing game, to try to infer the most likely origin of a particular rock. And, not every rock may really be a "rock"; a white pebble of quartz, for example, is a single mineral, quartz, rather than a "rock", and unless one has seen exactly where and from what kind of source rock it came, one cannot necessarily tell whether its origin was in an igneous, metamorphic, or sedimentary rock. Perhaps these few answers will help you part-way, toward what you are looking for. Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO -------------- Original message from "Wisdom of Stones" : -------------- > A long posting, with questions and requests. > > I have a bag of stones I'm needing to identify as igneous, metamorphic or > sedimentary. I'm not able to break them open because of what they are being > used for nor do I have enough knowledge about rocks or the process one uses > to identify them. I've read some books, tried to compare what I have with > the photos, but still am uncertain of what I have. I love stones and work > with them in different ways, e.g. art, therapy, and scientific inquiry of a > bio-eco/psycho-social-spiritual nature. > > Am wondering if there is someone in the Chicago or suburban area (within > 50-100 miles) who could contact me if 1) they know how to determine rock > types as noted above, and 2) who could meet with me (I can come to you) to > help determine what kind of stones I have. There are about 30 small stones > total. I'm also open to talking with people outside the Chicago and greater > Chicago area but I need to sit down with someone who can look at the stones > I have unless their type can be determined by photos I have. I need to have > this done within the next couple of weeks which I know is difficult, given > its the holidays, and work schedules etc. In any case, I thought I would > ask and see. I may have some flexibility on time, but not much given a > deadline I need to meet. > > On a separate but related note, I'm also looking for a chart, photo, or > information that shows the mineral and/or geologic makeup of us human > beings. Would like a color coded topographic type "map" if possible, like a > geologic survey of the human being. Have no idea if something like this > even exists but again, thought I would ask. > > For those wondering, my question about the "geologic chart of human being" > stems from my interest in medicine, psychology, the ecosystems in which we > live, and the research I'm doing in this area. I'm a licensed clinical > therapist, pragmatic intuitive and empath exploring the connection between > the natural connection we (humans) have to the earth and more than that, how > we *are* earth, and then of course, what does that mean to our connection to > the sky and beyond, given what the earth is made of. Stones are for me, one > of my primary gateways into exploring this question. > > In any case, for those interested in responding to either of my questions > (or comments), but who believe them to be off-topic, please contact me > offline at jenniferisham@sbcglobal.net or if that bounces for some reason, > wisdomofstones@hotmail.com. I've posted to this board before, have not had > time to follow-up as much as I want (still owe you an email Tango juli and > Steve) and hope to become more active as I declutter myself from other parts > of my life, and make more time for the areas of this list in which I can > best participate, both as contributor and requestor. > > Thanks to all who've read through this email. Appreciate your time and hope > some of you can help as well. :-) > > Jennifer > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocks4u at prodigy.net Tue Dec 20 20:12:16 2005 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Tue Dec 20 20:16:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson not J.I.T. ... References: <003b01c605b0$4c7b74a0$eb60c950@Rik> Message-ID: <01ac01c605e4$bace4340$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Rik: There's an old story about Tucson that goes like this: "Most of the time I go to Tucson with a lot of rocks and a little money! When I get home I have No Rocks and No Money! " You'll probably here a lot about that true statement in your travels around Tucson. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson not J.I.T. ... > Dear friends, > > I will be in Tucson, right place, wrong moment... > > I will participate in a conference (the two-yearly Winter Conference on > Plasma Spectrochemistry) the first half of > January. > > The organisers found it a neat idea that a non-American would give the > conference participants a complete different view > of the conference town compared to what they are used to see... and > therefore I was invited to give the Conference > Dinner talk "Treasure hunting in Tucson". > > The subject will, of course, be the yearly Tucson mineral shows. > > > > I have stacks of slides (I only changed over to digital last year), but if > anyone of you has either humoristic or > spectacular photos, or anecdotic stories on the shows, I would be very > glad if you could share them with me and... > possibly with my audience. I'm especially after humoristic stuff, odd > views, unusual behaviour... > > Thanks for any help, for any material and, of course, your permission to > use it. > > Greetings, > > > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > Homepage : > http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > Mineral collector's page > http://www.minerant.org/ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 06:16:16 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:16:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> I didn't know where else to ask this question..so here goes, with an apology for being OT. I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday experienced what some long time residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., there was a very loud explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick house), then quiet for a few seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds again, which really shook my house. I called the police, nothing they knew of, I called the local ABC affiliate, and they had it on the news at 5 p.m., because quite a few counties around us experienced it. I was even on tv being interviewed last night about what I thought had happened. On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who said it may have been continental shift, then later in the broadcast they said that another geologist said it wouldn't make such of a sound of explosions, that it might have been the military doing something (shrug). According to the locals, this is a common thing, especially in the winter, maybe only in the winter, not sure. Do any of the more learned here, have any thoughts on what would cause loud explosion type sounds and shaking of buildings? It was very scary..and I would love to know what it "might" have been. Thank you for your time..and again I apologize! Jackie Nagy Carolina Beach, N.C. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 07:06:30 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Dec 21 07:06:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! In-Reply-To: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051221150630.6071.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't be sure about this incident, of course, but such sounds are usually "sonic booms" caused by aircraft going faster than the speed of sound. Jim Daly --- CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > I didn't know where else to ask this question..so > here goes, with an apology > for being OT. > I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday > experienced what some long time > residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., > there was a very loud > explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick > house), then quiet for a few > seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds > again, which really shook my > house. I called the police, nothing they knew of, I > called the local ABC > affiliate, and they had it on the news at 5 p.m., > because quite a few counties > around us experienced it. I was even on tv being > interviewed last night about what > I thought had happened. > On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd > contacted a geologist who said it > may have been continental shift, then later in the > broadcast they said that > another geologist said it wouldn't make such of a > sound of explosions, that it > might have been the military doing something > (shrug). > According to the locals, this is a common thing, > especially in the winter, > maybe only in the winter, not sure. > Do any of the more learned here, have any thoughts > on what would cause loud > explosion type sounds and shaking of buildings? > It was very scary..and I would love to know what it > "might" have been. > Thank you for your time..and again I apologize! > > Jackie Nagy > > Carolina Beach, N.C. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 21 07:10:54 2005 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Dec 21 07:11:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! References: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <002c01c60640$bdb92960$5a8e4c0c@LarryRush> Jackie: How about sonic booms? Any Air Force bases nearby? In Connecticut there is an area in some very old Paleozoic rocks which the Indians called Thunder Mountain. It has produced what is now referred to as the "Moodus Noises", heard occasionally for hundreds of years. Geologists think these noises (not "explosions", but evidently clearly audible) come from shifting faults in the basement rock. They are not forceful enough to cause surface movements. Every once in awhile, the residents report them again. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! >I didn't know where else to ask this question..so here goes, with an >apology > for being OT. > I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday experienced what some long > time > residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., there was a very loud > explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick house), then quiet for a > few > seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds again, which really > shook my > house. I called the police, nothing they knew of, I called the local ABC > affiliate, and they had it on the news at 5 p.m., because quite a few > counties > around us experienced it. I was even on tv being interviewed last night > about what > I thought had happened. > On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who said > it > may have been continental shift, then later in the broadcast they said > that > another geologist said it wouldn't make such of a sound of explosions, > that it > might have been the military doing something (shrug). > According to the locals, this is a common thing, especially in the winter, > maybe only in the winter, not sure. > Do any of the more learned here, have any thoughts on what would cause > loud > explosion type sounds and shaking of buildings? > It was very scary..and I would love to know what it "might" have been. > Thank you for your time..and again I apologize! > Jackie Nagy > Carolina Beach, N.C. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 21 08:51:11 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 21 08:51:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT? -- NC booms Message-ID: <122120051651.26454.43A987FE000723B000006756216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Jackie & the list, A friend sent me this link, re. past reports of such noises reported along the NC coast, and "perhaps" attributed to earthquakes. I've heard about the famous "Moodus noises", too, as Jim described. http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf052/sf052g16.htm Personally, I think the most likely source is still sonic booms (whether or not the military can confirm if it had any jets in the vicinity that might have caused it). Large meteors can cause sonic booms, too! If it were bright daylight, or overcast, no one might have seen any meteor trail, but the booms could have been made by one (or more); either just from traveling supersonic, or exploding & breaking up as it decelerated in the atmosphere. Just another possibility. Pete -------------- Original message from CRAZYDOVE@aol.com: -------------- > I didn't know where else to ask this question..so here goes, with an apology > for being OT. > I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday experienced what some long time > residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., there was a very loud > explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick house), then quiet for a few > seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds again, which really shook my > house. I called the police, nothing they knew of, I called the local ABC > affiliate, and they had it on the news at 5 p.m., because quite a few counties > around us experienced it. I was even on tv being interviewed last night about > what > I thought had happened. > On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who said it > may have been continental shift, then later in the broadcast they said that > another geologist said it wouldn't make such of a sound of explosions, that it > might have been the military doing something (shrug). > According to the locals, this is a common thing, especially in the winter, > maybe only in the winter, not sure. > Do any of the more learned here, have any thoughts on what would cause loud > explosion type sounds and shaking of buildings? > It was very scary..and I would love to know what it "might" have been. > Thank you for your time..and again I apologize! > Jackie Nagy > Carolina Beach, N.C. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Dec 21 08:54:37 2005 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 08:54:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls Message-ID: <1c1.36f65cc8.30dae2cd@aol.com> Does anyone have a source for coal balls? I have an associate at the American Museum of Natural History who would like to purchase one or more for analysis. Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From betdav97 at aol.com Wed Dec 21 10:31:21 2005 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 10:31:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls In-Reply-To: <1c1.36f65cc8.30dae2cd@aol.com> References: <1c1.36f65cc8.30dae2cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <8C7D473E04A5CB3-1098-8DA9@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> Hi Frank, I know from research a few years ago, that some coal balls enclosed seeds. The report should still be available somewhere, I didn't do a search for it, I'm trying to get an order out. However, when I get the time, I'll see how many pyrite balls I have left, and see if I can find the paper. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Cycadwood@aol.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:37 EST Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls Does anyone have a source for coal balls? I have an associate at the American Museum of Natural History who would like to purchase one or more for analysis. Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 21 11:56:20 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 21 11:56:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls Message-ID: <122120051956.25940.43A9B36400050C6400006554216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Ah, so now I'm learning more about what "coal balls" are. I know I've heard that term, but I kind of puzzled over exactly what it meant, but I figured that "people who have coal balls, know coal balls". I assumed they were some kind of concretions (shale? iron oxide? siderite?) that occur in coal and perhaps have fossils in them, which I guess is what they are, but to be honest, I did not think of pyrite at all. Live and learn. Pete -------------- Original message from betdav97@aol.com: -------------- > > Hi Frank, > I know from research a few years ago, that some coal balls enclosed seeds. > The report should still be available somewhere, I didn't do a search for it, I'm > trying to get an order out. However, when I get the time, I'll see how many > pyrite balls I have left, and see if I can find the paper. > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cycadwood@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:37 EST > Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls > > > Does anyone have a source for coal balls? I have an associate at the > American Museum of Natural History who would like to purchase one or more for > analysis. > Thanks, > Frank > > > Frank J. Daniels, Publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 > westerncolopub@aol.com > 970.242.5255 > Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and > Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil > Wood. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From afox at panix.com Wed Dec 21 13:12:30 2005 From: afox at panix.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Dec 21 13:12:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! In-Reply-To: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> References: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> Message-ID: > I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday experienced what some long time > residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., there was a very loud > explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick house), then quiet for a few > seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds again, which really shook my > house. Any quarries nearby? Sounds a lot like a staggered quarry blast to me. Or an overenthusiastic geologist/geophysicist doing seismic reflection / refraction surveys nearby? Oil guys use thumper trucks, but our crews will use shotguns or explosives... Or perhaps a meteor? I have been told that, if it's large enough, you will have several sonic booms as different fragments end up traveling in different directions. > On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who said it > may have been continental shift, Obviously they interviewed a dumbass geologist. Everyone knows that you can't have a continental shift unless you first depress the mantle clutch. And that's in northern Michigan, which is snowed in this time of year... ;-) -- afox at panix dot com || http://www.panix.com/~afox "Pluralitas non est ponda sine neccesitate" "Plurality should not be posited without necessity" -- William of Ockham (1285 - 1349 AD) From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Wed Dec 21 13:20:37 2005 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Wed Dec 21 13:20:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! In-Reply-To: References: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <43A9C725.2000307@azgs.az.gov> a geologist with a sense of humor..... priceless! Aaron Fox wrote: >> I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday experienced what some >> long time >> residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., there was a very loud >> explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick house), then quiet >> for a few >> seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds again, which >> really shook my >> house. > > > Any quarries nearby? Sounds a lot like a staggered quarry blast to me. > > Or an overenthusiastic geologist/geophysicist doing seismic reflection > / refraction surveys nearby? Oil guys use thumper trucks, but our > crews will use shotguns or explosives... > > Or perhaps a meteor? I have been told that, if it's large enough, you > will have several sonic booms as different fragments end up traveling > in different directions. > >> On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who >> said it >> may have been continental shift, > > > Obviously they interviewed a dumbass geologist. Everyone knows that > you can't have a continental shift unless you first depress the mantle > clutch. And that's in northern Michigan, which is snowed in this time > of year... > > ;-) > -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Dec 21 13:46:45 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Dec 21 13:46:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls In-Reply-To: <122120051956.25940.43A9B36400050C6400006554216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Aint it just great! Even folks with tremendous knowledge, like Pete, learn along with all of us with varying degrees of knowledge! I would have guessed a coal ball was ordinary "coal" like that burned for heat energy. But it goes right along with pyrite flowers. Now I am curious to actually examine some for myself. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Get MSN Messenger with FREE Video Conversation - the next best thing to being there! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Dec 21 13:58:00 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Dec 21 13:58:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If these NC booms occur as regularly as it sounds (pun intended) my guess would be sonic booms by military aircraft. Maybe Yoda is training new Jedi! (See Aaron's link to his imagination.) Glenn {:{D} On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who said it may have been continental shift, Obviously they interviewed a dumbass geologist. Everyone knows that you can't have a continental shift unless you first depress the mantle clutch. And that's in northern Michigan, which is snowed in this time of year... ;-)   afox at panix dot com || http://www.panix.com/~afox  "Pluralitas non est ponda sine neccesitate"  "Plurality should not be posited without necessity"  -- William of Ockham (1285 - 1349 AD) ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Wed Dec 21 14:09:45 2005 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Wed Dec 21 14:09:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls In-Reply-To: <1c1.36f65cc8.30dae2cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <200512212209.jBLM9eE2057742@cti41.citenet.net> Don't know if this is a help, but I did a Google on coal balls wondering what they were and came across this url http://www.plantbio.ohiou.edu/epb/instruct/archived%20courses/460-560-00gwr/ Cutting_a_Coal_Ball.htm So it seems that Ohio University has a stock of them in a bin in "Room 02 of Building 7, The Ridge". Possibly your associate could contact the Course instructor there Dr. G.W. Rothwell rothwell@ohiou.edu or the lab assistant Genaro Hernandez-Castillo gh339591@oak.cats.ohiou.edu and they could help. Kay LOL no I don't know them, I'm just a avid googler and followed the links back to The instructors link http://www.plantbio.ohiou.edu/epb/instruct/archived%20courses/460-560-00gwr/ Instructors.htm At the Paleobotany course description http://www.plantbio.ohiou.edu/epb/instruct/archived%20courses/460-560-00gwr/ index.htm -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Cycadwood@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:55 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls Does anyone have a source for coal balls? I have an associate at the American Museum of Natural History who would like to purchase one or more for analysis. Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From info at wisdomofstones.com Wed Dec 21 14:21:26 2005 From: info at wisdomofstones.com (Wisdom of Stones) Date: Wed Dec 21 14:21:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need help determining rock types and geologic information In-Reply-To: <122020052230.22.43A886130000643700000016216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Thanks so much for your reply. I'm still digesting the information you sent and will write more later but for now, I just wanted you to know I appreciate the info and the time you took to put it together and send me. This is an amazing group of people on this list. kindest of regards, jennifer -----Original Message----- From: pjmodreski@att.net [mailto:pjmodreski@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:31 PM To: info@wisdomofstones.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need help determining rock types and geologic information Dear Jennifer, I don't know if you have received any other answers offline to your string of questions, but let me try to write at least a partial answer to some of them, and I'll post this to our Rockhounds group because some of it may be of general interest. Many of us, of course, are very skeptical about the properties that others may attach to stones, but that doesn't need to stop one from trying to share some answers and information. For a start, your question about the human body, I searched online and found almost this same question asked and answered; if you go to, http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may99/927309210.An.q.html you'll see the question, and click on the "Re:..." line toward the bottom, you'll see a fairly detailed answer. There are, of course, to ways to interpret that question, "what minerals is the human body composed of?". One is to answer with the percentages of the different inorganic ("mineral") chemical elements that are present in the body, because that is what we commonly refer to as "minerals", and that is the way the Q&A above approaches this. They other interpretation is if one means, "what actual mineral compounds" (meaning, mineral = a naturally present chemical compound or pure chemical element) are present in the body? This is a question with fewer answers, because most of the elements present that are loosely called "minerals", are not actually in any crystallized, solid, inorganic form in the human body. A lot of these elements are present in solution (in the blood or other fluids), or in organic molecules (hemoglobin in red blood cells, etc.), so, most of the iron, potassium, sodium, iodine, sulfur, chlorine, magnesium, etc., are present in these non-solid forms, and are not "minerals" in the sense we consider solid, crystalline compounds to be minerals. The main exception is calcium phosphate, which forms the mineral apatite, which is what bones and teeth are made of. (Further, "minerals" that are part of or formed by a living organism, are normally not considered "minerals" in the strict, geological sense. They are considered part of the biological realm, because a "mineral" is strictly defined as a naturally occurring, crystalline compound or element, formed in the earth by natural inorganic processes. There are a lot of arguments and "quibbles" about the details of this definition; in recent years, "minerals" that are formed within living organisms, have often been refered to as "biominerals", which kind of span the gap between what is "biological" and "mineral".) As to your question about determining which of the rocks you have are igneous, metamorphic, or sedimentary, in lieu of finding someone to examine your stones in person, here are several websites that have good pictures and descriptions of these various kinds of rocks, which may help you: rock types: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/1080/ rock types: http://www.gc.maricopa.edu/earthsci/imagearchive/sedimentary.htm Identifying rocks: http://www.em.gov.bc.ca/Mining/Geolsurv/Publications/InfoCirc/IC1987-05/intr o.htm pictures: http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/leveson/core/graphics/snappy-rocks /rock_display.html Keep in mind a few things; that it is not easy, even for an "expert", to identify every rock that one picks up, especially if one is not sure where they came from, and if it is a stone that is small, rounded, grayish, fine-grained, and kind of nondescript. There are some distinct features that clearly show whether a rock is igneous, metamorphic, etc., and when we show rock samples to classes learning about they, we make sure we pick out rocks that are "textbook examples" of these features. But if none of these distinctive features is present in a given rock, and often they are not, then it really becomes a guessing game, to try to infer the most likely origin of a particular rock. And, not every rock may really be a "rock"; a white pebble of quartz, for example, is a single mineral, quartz, rather than a "rock", and unless one has seen exactly where and from what kind of source rock it came, one cannot necessarily tell whether its origin was in an igneous, metamorphic, or sedimentary rock. Perhaps these few answers will help you part-way, toward what you are looking for. Sincerely, Pete Modreski, Denver CO -------------- Original message from "Wisdom of Stones" : -------------- > A long posting, with questions and requests. > > I have a bag of stones I'm needing to identify as igneous, metamorphic or > sedimentary. I'm not able to break them open because of what they are being > used for nor do I have enough knowledge about rocks or the process one uses > to identify them. I've read some books, tried to compare what I have with > the photos, but still am uncertain of what I have. I love stones and work > with them in different ways, e.g. art, therapy, and scientific inquiry of a > bio-eco/psycho-social-spiritual nature. > > Am wondering if there is someone in the Chicago or suburban area (within > 50-100 miles) who could contact me if 1) they know how to determine rock > types as noted above, and 2) who could meet with me (I can come to you) to > help determine what kind of stones I have. There are about 30 small stones > total. I'm also open to talking with people outside the Chicago and greater > Chicago area but I need to sit down with someone who can look at the stones > I have unless their type can be determined by photos I have. I need to have > this done within the next couple of weeks which I know is difficult, given > its the holidays, and work schedules etc. In any case, I thought I would > ask and see. I may have some flexibility on time, but not much given a > deadline I need to meet. > > On a separate but related note, I'm also looking for a chart, photo, or > information that shows the mineral and/or geologic makeup of us human > beings. Would like a color coded topographic type "map" if possible, like a > geologic survey of the human being. Have no idea if something like this > even exists but again, thought I would ask. > > For those wondering, my question about the "geologic chart of human being" > stems from my interest in medicine, psychology, the ecosystems in which we > live, and the research I'm doing in this area. I'm a licensed clinical > therapist, pragmatic intuitive and empath exploring the connection between > the natural connection we (humans) have to the earth and more than that, how > we *are* earth, and then of course, what does that mean to our connection to > the sky and beyond, given what the earth is made of. Stones are for me, one > of my primary gateways into exploring this question. > > In any case, for those interested in responding to either of my questions > (or comments), but who believe them to be off-topic, please contact me > offline at jenniferisham@sbcglobal.net or if that bounces for some reason, > wisdomofstones@hotmail.com. I've posted to this board before, have not had > time to follow-up as much as I want (still owe you an email Tango juli and > Steve) and hope to become more active as I declutter myself from other parts > of my life, and make more time for the areas of this list in which I can > best participate, both as contributor and requestor. > > Thanks to all who've read through this email. Appreciate your time and hope > some of you can help as well. :-) > > Jennifer > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 21 14:40:21 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 21 14:40:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls Message-ID: <122120052240.17157.43A9D9D500063FD600004305216037622307059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> OK, I couldn't resist, and googled some more myself for "coal balls". I found this, for example, from the Kentucky Geological Survey, http://www.uky.edu/KGS/coal/grebamburgy.htm "Carbonate concretions containing permineralized peat, commonly called coal balls, were encountered in the Amburgy coal... of the Eastern Kentucky Coal Field. These are the first coal balls from the Amburgy coal, and one of only a few reported occurrences from the central Appalachian Basin. ..." Another web site, http://www.nmnh.si.edu/paleo/PaleoArt/Techniques/pages/reconstuct9.htm says, "Coal balls are concretions, largely of calcium carbonate, which precipitated in ancient peat beds, thus preserving much anatomical structure of the original plants in the coal swamps." So, whoever said about the pyrite may have been off target, it sounds like they are just "rocks", containing fossilized peat with assorted plant fossils in them. Now of course, we could have just sat back and waited until Frank Daniels, who posted this, came back with some kind of a clarification about what coal balls are. cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Kay Davis" : -------------- > Don't know if this is a help, but I did a Google on coal balls wondering > what they were and came across this url > http://www.plantbio.ohiou.edu/epb/instruct/archived%20courses/460-560-00gwr/ > Cutting_a_Coal_Ball.htm > > So it seems that Ohio University has a stock of them in a bin in "Room 02 of > Building 7, The Ridge". Possibly your associate could contact the Course > instructor there Dr. G.W. Rothwell rothwell@ohiou.edu or the lab assistant > Genaro Hernandez-Castillo gh339591@oak.cats.ohiou.edu and they could help. > > Kay > > LOL no I don't know them, I'm just a avid googler and followed the links > back to > The instructors link > http://www.plantbio.ohiou.edu/epb/instruct/archived%20courses/460-560-00gwr/ > Instructors.htm > > At the Paleobotany course description > http://www.plantbio.ohiou.edu/epb/instruct/archived%20courses/460-560-00gwr/ > index.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Cycadwood@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:55 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls > > Does anyone have a source for coal balls? I have an associate at the > American Museum of Natural History who would like to purchase one or more > for analysis. > Thanks, > Frank > > > Frank J. Daniels, Publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 > westerncolopub@aol.com > 970.242.5255 > Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, > and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at > Fossil Wood. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 15:32:51 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 15:33:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <25.6e3a0f68.30db4023@aol.com> Hi Larry..well..early this am, it was reported on radio that the military had 7 jets, that made sonic booms, but..the military in the area were contacted and the story was false. And..I have heard sonic booms..didn't sound anything like that..more like massive explosions. I tend to think it is plate shifting of some sort..since it seems to happen periodically, but..I'm not an expert. Thanks for replying tho..I guess it's one of those life mysteries. The TV station is still staying on the story and trying to delve into and discover the cause. If I find out anything substantial, I'll let the list know. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays! Thanks again..Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 10:11:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: Jackie: How about sonic booms? Any Air Force bases nearby? In Connecticut there is an area in some very old Paleozoic rocks which the Indians called Thunder Mountain. It has produced what is now referred to as the "Moodus Noises", heard occasionally for hundreds of years. Geologists think these noises (not "explosions", but evidently clearly audible) come from shifting faults in the basement rock. They are not forceful enough to cause surface movements. Every once in awhile, the residents report them again. Larry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 15:34:26 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 15:34:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <250.39d3969.30db4082@aol.com> Hi Jim, as I wrote to Larry..they just didn't sound "sonic"..but then, it's been years since I've heard one, we do have jets flying up and down the coast all the time, but never "sonic" booms coming along with them. And the military did say they were not the cause of those "booms". Plausible denial??? LOL Thanks very much! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays! Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 10:07:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, sauktown1@yahoo.com writes: I can't be sure about this incident, of course, but such sounds are usually "sonic booms" caused by aircraft going faster than the speed of sound. Jim Daly --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 15:37:02 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 15:37:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT? -- NC booms Message-ID: <193.4e6131e9.30db411e@aol.com> Hi Pete, how you doing? Thanks for answering..I will read the article after dinner, taking a quick break for now. Ummmmmm..this has been happening for years and years..and one would think that if it was military planes..no big deal..just say yes!!! But....they say no!!! I will look forward to reading what you sent along..thanks Pete! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays! Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 11:51:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, pjmodreski@att.net writes: Jackie & the list, A friend sent me this link, re. past reports of such noises reported along the NC coast, and "perhaps" attributed to earthquakes. I've heard about the famous "Moodus noises", too, as Jim described. http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf052/sf052g16.htm Personally, I think the most likely source is still sonic booms (whether or not the military can confirm if it had any jets in the vicinity that might have caused it). Large meteors can cause sonic booms, too! If it were bright daylight, or overcast, no one might have seen any meteor trail, but the booms could have been made by one (or more); either just from traveling supersonic, or exploding & breaking up as it decelerated in the atmosphere. Just another possibility. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 15:43:26 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 15:43:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <2c5.c09773.30db429e@aol.com> Hi Aron, nope, no quarries that I know of that would be using that much..explosive. It was heard in counties north of us even..and south of us along the coast, and ne along the coast. As for the meteor theory...once might explain it..but it happens alot..so I don't think it's that. And one would think, that if it was something that a company was using..or doing, they would have heard/seen the reporting about it on the news..and called in to say.."it's us". LOL It's strange..and scary..I've never experienced my house, any house for that matter shake like it did..and as I said, my home here is brick. Things shook, rattled and jingled! LOL Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays! Thanks for replying, Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 4:12:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, afox@panix.com writes: Any quarries nearby? Sounds a lot like a staggered quarry blast to me. Or an overenthusiastic geologist/geophysicist doing seismic reflection / refraction surveys nearby? Oil guys use thumper trucks, but our crews will use shotguns or explosives... Or perhaps a meteor? I have been told that, if it's large enough, you will have several sonic booms as different fragments end up traveling in different directions. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 15:45:10 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 15:45:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <213.faa08e9.30db4306@aol.com> Rick..of course I understand about nth of what you wrote..but could it have to do with the continental shelf, about 20 odd miles of our coast? Jus' wonderin! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays! Jackie :) In a message dated 12/21/2005 4:20:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov writes: > Obviously they interviewed a dumbass geologist. Everyone knows that > you can't have a continental shift unless you first depress the mantle > clutch. And that's in northern Michigan, which is snowed in this time > of year... > > ;-) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 15:47:41 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 15:47:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <11.530f3173.30db439d@aol.com> First apologies to AARON..I knew the spelling looked wrong..I need to eat dinner maybe??? Brain food??? Welllllll..maybe we have our own Area 51 goin on here! We do have military all around us, Ft. Bragg, Camp LeJeune is up the coast..and there are some others too..can't remember. Sorry Aaron.. and thanks Glenn!! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays..Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 4:58:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawpawtiger@hotmail.com writes: If these NC booms occur as regularly as it sounds (pun intended) my guess would be sonic booms by military aircraft. Maybe Yoda is training new Jedi! (See Aaron's link to his imagination.) Glenn {:{D} --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From betdav97 at aol.com Wed Dec 21 16:16:17 2005 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 16:16:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls In-Reply-To: <122120052240.17157.43A9D9D500063FD600004305216037622307059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <122120052240.17157.43A9D9D500063FD600004305216037622307059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <8C7D4A40FBF86FB-1BC0-26311@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Hi group, Ours are pyrite, at one time, I had pyrite balls from coal from at least 4 states. I have since sold them all, sometimes also they aren't too stable, maybe they lean toward Marcasite. I know when they are left on slate dumps, they will fall apart in a short time. The only one I still have in my collection, is a multiple of three hemispheres. I just did a search for pyrite coal balls, and had no problem finding several hits. Unfortunately the link "cutting coal balls is a messy business" , didn't open. There was one hit talking about carbonate and pyrite coal balls in Indiana. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Dec 21 17:57:38 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Dec 21 17:57:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! References: <1c1.36f224ed.30dabdb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a701c6069b$165d7940$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I live about 40 miles from Fort Knox. When it is overcast with mid-range clods, the thuds of the tanks on the firing range can be remarkably noisy. If there is no cloud ceiling, the ceiling is real low, or if the wind is blowing out of another direction you don't hear (or feel) them at this distance. They can go on for an hour or more. I've heard bolides (exploding meteors) -- including one in 1977 that showered Louisville with meteorites. They sound like a sonic boom. Because the sound is from overhead, it can rattle windows. These meteors are very rare in any one location, perhaps heard just a couple of times a year (at best). I heard a possible meteor boom about a week ago in the mid afternoon. I went outside to look for a supersonic jet or meteor trail, but saw nothing unusual. Would there be any construction blasting in your area? I figure the coast tends to have unconsolidated sediments which would make blasting unnecessary. But I am not familiar with the SE coast of N.C. On cloudy day any surface blasting can reflect sound off of clouds making them audible for miles. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! >I didn't know where else to ask this question..so here goes, with an >apology > for being OT. > I live on the SE coast of N.C., and yesterday experienced what some long > time > residents have talked about. At about 4:30 p.m., there was a very loud > explosive/explosion sound, the house shook (brick house), then quiet for a > few > seconds and then a series of loud explosion sounds again, which really > shook my > house. I called the police, nothing they knew of, I called the local ABC > affiliate, and they had it on the news at 5 p.m., because quite a few > counties > around us experienced it. I was even on tv being interviewed last night > about what > I thought had happened. > On the 11 p.m., news they first said they'd contacted a geologist who said > it > may have been continental shift, then later in the broadcast they said > that > another geologist said it wouldn't make such of a sound of explosions, > that it > might have been the military doing something (shrug). > According to the locals, this is a common thing, especially in the winter, > maybe only in the winter, not sure. > Do any of the more learned here, have any thoughts on what would cause > loud > explosion type sounds and shaking of buildings? > It was very scary..and I would love to know what it "might" have been. > Thank you for your time..and again I apologize! > Jackie Nagy > Carolina Beach, N.C. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 21 18:30:12 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 21 18:30:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT? -- NC booms Message-ID: <122220050230.19036.43AA0FB300076B7B00004A5C216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Jackie, well, you sure had a lot to say about the "booms". Well, there were your booms after all, so I can that's OK. As has been said, if there were quarries, or jets commonly in the area, these sounds would be frequent. Now actually, Jackie, I'm partly confused by what you say, because in your one email you say, but it happens alot... but then in the same email you also say, I've never experienced my house, any house for that matter shake like it did.. so, does it happen a lot, or not? Do I understand that you mean, "noises like this get reported often around here, but this was the WAY loudest I'd ever heard?" Have you, personally, ever heard these kind of noises before, Jackie? I do like the meteor idea. The sound from a meteor can be (I'm told) a series of explosions. A sonic boom would normally (as I understand it, and from my memory from way way back, when the military wasn't so careful not to let its planes do that over populated areas) be a single really loud boom, which could indeed shake buildings, with no advance warning at all, then followed either by a reverberation, or sometimes by the rumbling sound of the jet continuing to pass over. I don't believe that undersea landslides, or whatever, taking place at the edge of the continental shelf, have ever been documented to cause loud audible "booms" onshore (or anywhere else). Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 18:42:30 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 18:42:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: Hi Alan, the day was sunny and mostly clear, 45 or so degrees. I don't think blasting would have been the cause...we are mostly sand, but I'm told there is bedrock if you dig down far enough. The ground on Pleasure Island where I live, (Carolina Beach is the town's name) and the island is a man made island at the tip of Wilmington NC, is swampy, damp and sandy too. I do believe if there was blasting inland someone would have known about it. Plus as I've said..this is not a new occurance, it happens quite often, we've been down here for 14 months now, and this is the first BIG one for us. It could happen again tomorrow..or not till next year/winter. T'is strange. As for the meteors, again I'll say, there would have to be alot of them coming down for the many times it's happened over many years, but then, one never knows, do one!?? I'm open to anything..I just would love to know at least, what is making my house shake and causing those huge explosive sounds. Thanks for replying..and I'll keep on hunting for an answer. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 8:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, deepskyspy@insightbb.com writes: Would there be any construction blasting in your area? I figure the coast tends to have unconsolidated sediments which would make blasting unnecessary. But I am not familiar with the SE coast of N.C. On cloudy day any surface blasting can reflect sound off of clouds making them audible for miles. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Dec 21 19:00:28 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 19:00:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT? -- NC booms Message-ID: <28c.2e127d7.30db70cc@aol.com> Hi Pete..yes they were my booms fer shure! LOL..what I meant..and sorry if I confused you is this..... We've only lived here 14 months, and so far...these were the first ones I "heard" and "felt". We may have been away, which we were in October for about 13 days and others may have happened, but these were MY first ones. As you know I lived in NJ all my life, till moving down here, and experienced minor earthquakes there, 3.6-3.7 that range..and all we heard was a low growling/rumbling..then the shaking a bit. And our 2 story house (wood construction) never shook that badly. This house, one level, brick construction shook, locked doors shook, things rattled..and the sound..was exactly like very loud explosions..say, plane crashes, or buildings exploding etc. These "booms", were told to me by residents down here, they told me they happen alot, and so far no one knows what they are, but some say it's caused by "something" out in the water. Other people have experienced them more than once, this was my first time. Now, as I have also said, military jets fly around here all the time..sometimes right over our house, then up and down the coast, and maybe some hot dog pilots were out there and do go out there from time to time and kick it up, unbeknownst to the brass! Could be a logical conclusion also. I will try to find out how far back these sounds have first been documented or experienced, there are alot of old timers here. And quite possibly, they could be as simple as hot dogging jet pilots. Thanks Pete...if anything comes up about them locally, I'll let you know. And Thank you to the list for your patience while we thrash this out!! I do appreciate it! Jackie In a message dated 12/21/2005 9:30:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, pjmodreski@att.net writes: Hi Jackie, well, you sure had a lot to say about the "booms". Well, there were your booms after all, so I can that's OK. As has been said, if there were quarries, or jets commonly in the area, these sounds would be frequent. Now actually, Jackie, I'm partly confused by what you say, because in your one email you say, but it happens alot... but then in the same email you also say, I've never experienced my house, any house for that matter shake like it did.. so, does it happen a lot, or not? Do I understand that you mean, "noises like this get reported often around here, but this was the WAY loudest I'd ever heard?" Have you, personally, ever heard these kind of noises before, Jackie? I do like the meteor idea. The sound from a meteor can be (I'm told) a series of explosions. A sonic boom would normally (as I understand it, and from my memory from way way back, when the military wasn't so careful not to let its planes do that over populated areas) be a single really loud boom, which could indeed shake buildings, with no advance warning at all, then followed either by a reverberation, or sometimes by the rumbling sound of the jet continuing to pass over. I don't believe that undersea landslides, or whatever, taking place at the edge of the continental shelf, have ever been documented to cause loud audible "booms" onshore (or anywhere else). Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Dec 21 19:38:12 2005 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 19:38:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coal balls Message-ID: <1f1.4994e3a3.30db79a4@aol.com> In a message dated 12/21/2005 3:40:57 PM Mountain Standard Time, pjmodreski@att.net writes: "Coal balls are concretions, largely of calcium carbonate, which precipitated in ancient peat beds, thus preserving much anatomical structure of the original plants in the coal swamps." So, whoever said about the pyrite may have been off target, it sounds like they are just "rocks", containing fossilized peat with assorted plant fossils in them. Now of course, we could have just sat back and waited until Frank Daniels, who posted this, came back with some kind of a clarification about what coal balls are. ****The first definition is what we are looking for. I will forward this helpful information (websites and so forth) to my friend. Coal balls can contain incredibly well-preserved plant structures of ancient plants. Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 22:55:24 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Wed Dec 21 22:55:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina...sonic booms? In-Reply-To: <200512220200.jBM20N0s032628@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051222065524.85232.qmail@web60822.mail.yahoo.com> Re: Odd sounds in NC. The continental shelf theory is certainly much more sexy than the military theory. I live in an area where sonic booms are a near daily thing. Sometimes, when I'm out collecting in the remote backreaches of the desert, the sudden booms are so overwhelming, with no warning in the silence that the physical response could be embarrasing. In the town of Boron, there is a phone number to call to have Edwards AFB folks come out to fix your broken windows from the frequent and explosive booms. (see footnote) That boom isn't coming from the mine (US Borax). Here in Barstow (CA), we get explosive booms from the tanks out at Ft Irwin--40-65 miles away! Periodically, I'm told, windows are blown out here. I see the chain on the ceiling fan rock back and forth after a boom. A military ordenance expert friend told me recently that many missiles and various ammo shells are travelling fast enough to create a sonic boom. You mentioned two USMC military bases nearby. No doubt they'd be a prime candidate. And the military is unlikely to admit anything (see Xfiles).;) Please keep us posted if something conclusive comes down. Sounds very chewy! -tina Footnote--one of the coolest things to see in the mojave is the shuttle coming in a for a landing--only 40 miles from its airstrip at Edwards, it is still travelling at 10,000 mph and screaming past that sound barrier. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Wed Dec 21 22:58:25 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (tam2819@cox.net) Date: Wed Dec 21 22:58:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <20051222065622.NGSM20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Jackie, I vote for Military Sonic Booms. You are not too far away from Rocky Mount. I know there is a Military facility there. Hugs Terrie From jsmall47 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 04:13:40 2005 From: jsmall47 at earthlink.net (Jim Small) Date: Thu Dec 22 04:11:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT ? for list Geologists! In-Reply-To: <200512220200.jBM20N0n032628@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512220200.jBM20N0n032628@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051222070600.0255e1f0@mail.earthlink.net> Jackie - What is the stratigraphy in your area? For a decade and a half I lived near Watkins Glen, NY. Each Winter-time the Watkins area, extending from the south end of Seneca Lake southerly for several miles to the village of Montour Falls, would have the major explosion sounds which you refer to. Some Winters it would happen only once, others it would happen more often, but every year it happened. The consensus of the Cornell geology department (a few miles away in Ithaca) has been that the booms were related to the substantial unconsolidated peat layer (a fossil bog) which underlay the entire area. The large bog formed as a result of post-glacial infilling of the south end of the valley of Seneca Lake. KOR, Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 22 13:06:51 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 22 13:07:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas Message-ID: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not from fossil remains. http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Dec 22 13:16:56 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Thu Dec 22 13:21:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas References: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000b01c6073d$0ea71bf0$0200a8c0@warren> Great article! It will be interesting to see how the research proceeds! Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not > from fossil remains. > > http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jaybates at rcn.com Thu Dec 22 13:52:50 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Thu Dec 22 13:50:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas References: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000901c60742$0e3db980$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Does limestone ever reach the upper mantle where such high pressure and temperatures are reached? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not > from fossil remains. > > http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Dec 22 14:31:09 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 22 14:31:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Jim] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <207.fba3959.30dc832d@aol.com> Hi Jim..well..I'm thinking you mean layers of ground, ie:bogs, sand etc? I just don't have the time to look up that word..even tho I've heard it before. We are sand, and moist damp woods, moist damp ground where there isn't sand, all over this area. Some areas even have swamps. To be honest..I have no idea what type of "bedrock" is here..one of those things I just haven't gotten around too..although I do have a map of the rock types in NC. If I can find it, I'll let you know what it says. If I'm wrong about what you meant, please let me know..I've been Christmas cooking all day..and I'm just about brain dead. Thanks for replying Jim. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays....Jackie In a message dated 12/22/2005 7:12:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, jsmall47@earthlink.net writes: Jackie - What is the stratigraphy in your area? For a decade and a half I lived near Watkins Glen, NY. Each Winter-time the Watkins area, extending from the south end of Seneca Lake southerly for several miles to the village of Montour Falls, would have the major explosion sounds which you refer to. Some Winters it would happen only once, others it would happen more often, but every year it happened. The consensus of the Cornell geology department (a few miles away in Ithaca) has been that the booms were related to the substantial unconsolidated peat layer (a fossil bog) which underlay the entire area. The large bog formed as a result of post-glacial infilling of the south end of the valley of Seneca Lake. KOR, Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Dec 22 14:33:55 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 22 14:34:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Terrie] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <25.6e4bd75f.30dc83d3@aol.com> Hi Terrie..I'm surrounded by military bases, they are alllll over the place. Ft. Bragg, Camp LeJeune, and one in S.C., also..can't remember the name tho. I'm just about convinced that it was sonic booms..until I hear different. Hope you're doing well!!!!! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays...Hugs, Jackie In a message dated 12/22/2005 1:59:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, tam2819@cox.net writes: Jackie, I vote for Military Sonic Booms. You are not too far away from Rocky Mount. I know there is a Military facility there. Hugs Terrie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Dec 22 14:37:44 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 22 14:37:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Tina] North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: <2c7.b07cb9.30dc84b8@aol.com> Hi Tina..yep..I agree about continental shelf sounding much more sexy, intriquing. We also have a Naval Ammunition dump right across the river from where I live, Cape Fear river, but doesn't seem to be coming from them..unless they had an "oooops" and didn't want anyone to know, probably wouldn't be the first time. We're just loaded with time bombs, Nuclear Power plant across the river, the Ammunition Dump, military bases all over the place..no wonder we have "booms". LOL Thanks for replying..and I will keep the list up on anything I may find out. And thank you again to all the list members for their patience. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays....Jackie In a message dated 12/22/2005 1:56:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, tangojuli@yahoo.com writes: Re: Odd sounds in NC. The continental shelf theory is certainly much more sexy than the military theory. I live in an area where sonic booms are a near daily thing. Sometimes, when I'm out collecting in the remote backreaches of the desert, the sudden booms are so overwhelming, with no warning in the silence that the physical response could be embarrasing. In the town of Boron, there is a phone number to call to have Edwards AFB folks come out to fix your broken windows from the frequent and explosive booms. (see footnote) That boom isn't coming from the mine (US Borax). Here in Barstow (CA), we get explosive booms from the tanks out at Ft Irwin--40-65 miles away! Periodically, I'm told, windows are blown out here. I see the chain on the ceiling fan rock back and forth after a boom. A military ordenance expert friend told me recently that many missiles and various ammo shells are travelling fast enough to create a sonic boom. You mentioned two USMC military bases nearby. No doubt they'd be a prime candidate. And the military is unlikely to admit anything (see Xfiles).;) Please keep us posted if something conclusive comes down. Sounds very chewy! -tina Footnote--one of the coolest things to see in the mojave is the shuttle coming in a for a landing--only 40 miles from its airstrip at Edwards, it is still travelling at 10,000 mph and screaming past that sound barrier. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 22 16:46:23 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 22 16:46:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas References: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> <000901c60742$0e3db980$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <43AB48BF.3ECB@Tomaszewski.net> Yes, at any subducting plate boundary (like the California Coast). Kreigh jaybates wrote: > > Does limestone ever reach the upper mantle where such high pressure and > temperatures are reached? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:06 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > > > Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not > > from fossil remains. > > > > http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Dec 22 17:09:56 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Dec 22 17:09:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas References: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> <000901c60742$0e3db980$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <003e01c6075d$98515da0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Yes. There are diamonds in Australia that were created by subducted limestone deposits. (The Ca & O3 are separated from the C.) I think this was determined by the type of inclusions if I recall correctly. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaybates" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > Does limestone ever reach the upper mantle where such high pressure and > temperatures are reached? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:06 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > > >> Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not >> from fossil remains. >> >> http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Dec 22 17:29:50 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Dec 22 17:29:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas References: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009b01c60760$5ec71cc0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Additional comment -- since methane is produced in tremendous volumes from decomposing matter in landfills, it doesn't take a rocket (petroleum) scientist to figure that decomposing organisms were a dominant source of methane in sedimentary rocks. Oh, and let's not forget the miners who die in methane explosions in coal mines. And the chemical compositions of coal and oil shale... And the quadrillions+ of micro-organisms that lived in the oceans over the years. I don't question that methane can be formed in the upper mantle. It might even migrate to the upper lithosphere. But become a major source? From all I've learned in the geosciences over the past 3 decades I don't think it would become a significant source of commercial production. I'd like to see more research -- such as gas production adjacent to major subduction zones where igneous rocks dominate. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not > from fossil remains. > > http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jaybates at rcn.com Thu Dec 22 17:43:27 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Thu Dec 22 17:41:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas References: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net><000901c60742$0e3db980$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> <003e01c6075d$98515da0$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000501c60762$465b0f00$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> As far as I understand it, the oil found in California is biotic. Oil that has been found in Russia that supposedly is abiotic is not found in subduction zones. I am sure there is methane that is abiotic but I think the idea that there is unlimited supplies of abiotic oil and gas that we can access easily is just wishful thinking. http://www.museletter.com/archive/150b.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > Yes. There are diamonds in Australia that were created by subducted > limestone deposits. (The Ca & O3 are separated from the C.) > I think this was determined by the type of inclusions if I recall correctly. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jaybates" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > > > > Does limestone ever reach the upper mantle where such high pressure and > > temperatures are reached? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:06 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas > > > > > >> Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not > >> from fossil remains. > >> > >> http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 18:02:02 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Dec 22 18:02:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turning Rocks Into Gas In-Reply-To: <43AB156B.7AD0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Neat concept! This probably replenishes the "supply" relatively fast in geolgic time frames. Maybe our descendants in a hundred million years or so will have all the hydrocarbon fuel they need. For a while. Glenn {:{D} From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@tomaszewski.net> Natural gas and oil may be formed from heat and pressure on rocks, not from fossil remains. http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Create your own custom mailing list called Groups with MSN Hotmail ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Dec 22 18:21:03 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Dec 22 18:21:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Jackie & friends, I have also read that these booms may be caused by the Elbonian navy (ref., Dilbert) sneaking inside the U.S. 12-mile limit, and clandestinely using the Outer Banks for gunnery practice. They have limited opportunity to do this back in their own country, because it is landlocked. (Now, just where DID I read that? ...) And now some quibbler, like Jackie, is probably going to remind me that the Outer Banks are off the northeast coast of North Carolina, and her noises are in the SE. Well, what's a few extra miles? Alternatively of course, it could be the Belgians doing this, they are always up to something. And if anyone thinks this is off topic, I want to add that most of the good rocks are, of course, in western North Carolina. I'm sure you'll all agree with that, which shows that what I have been saying here is must be not only on-topic, but true! Pete -------------- Original message from CRAZYDOVE@aol.com: -------------- > Hi Tina..yep..I agree about continental shelf sounding much more sexy, > intriquing. > We also have a Naval Ammunition dump right across the river from where I > live, Cape Fear river, but doesn't seem to be coming from them..unless they had > an > "oooops" ... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Thu Dec 22 19:27:03 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (tam2819@cox.net) Date: Thu Dec 22 19:29:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Terrie] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <20051223032829.NFYE15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Jackie, I live fairly close to Camp Pendleton. They often engage in live fire training and drop 500 pound bombs. Depending on the wind, I can often hear rifle fire, and the house shakes, rattles and rolls from the percussion of the bombs. At other times, although I know it is happening, I hear or feel nothing. If any of the military bases conduct similar training, that may be a partial answer. Hugs and Merry Christmas. Terrie From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Dec 22 20:08:28 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 22 20:08:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: <2cb.b4a7ad.30dcd23c@aol.com> ROFLING!!!!!! Full moon Pete??????? I like your thinking...makes sense to me..ummmmmm..what does that say about me tho! LOL Thanks for the laugh Pete..you WERE kidding right? RIGHT? Oh..and keeping this On TOPIC...I am just breathless with anticipation of my forays (in the future) into Western NC to go hunting for those BIG emeralds!! LOL..I should live so long! But we are planning a trip/trips to do some "hunting", that's for sure. Jackie :) In a message dated 12/22/2005 9:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pjmodreski@att.net writes: Jackie & friends, I have also read that these booms may be caused by the Elbonian navy (ref., Dilbert) sneaking inside the U.S. 12-mile limit, and clandestinely using the Outer Banks for gunnery practice. They have limited opportunity to do this back in their own country, because it is landlocked. (Now, just where DID I read that? ...) And now some quibbler, like Jackie, is probably going to remind me that the Outer Banks are off the northeast coast of North Carolina, and her noises are in the SE. Well, what's a few extra miles? Alternatively of course, it could be the Belgians doing this, they are always up to something. And if anyone thinks this is off topic, I want to add that most of the good rocks are, of course, in western North Carolina. I'm sure you'll all agree with that, which shows that what I have been saying here is must be not only on-topic, but true! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Dec 22 20:11:08 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 22 20:11:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Terrie] OT ? for list Geologists! Message-ID: <1d7.4b9df1ea.30dcd2dc@aol.com> Hi again Terrie :) Welllll..I would think..that the old timers here on the island..would have had some information thru the past times it's happened..*shaking head*, I don't know..I just don't know. They (sounds) weren't..didn't seem..that far away..they felt..local. I don't know..I just don't know. I sure hope it turns out to be something geological tho..at least it would be partially on topic. LOL And a Merry Christmas to you! Hugs, Jackie In a message dated 12/22/2005 10:29:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, tam2819@cox.net writes: Jackie, I live fairly close to Camp Pendleton. They often engage in live fire training and drop 500 pound bombs. Depending on the wind, I can often hear rifle fire, and the house shakes, rattles and rolls from the percussion of the bombs. At other times, although I know it is happening, I hear or feel nothing. If any of the military bases conduct similar training, that may be a partial answer. Hugs and Merry Christmas. Terrie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Dec 22 20:12:24 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 22 20:12:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [Pete] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: BTW Pete..the Outerbanks are around 100 or so miles away..just a few miles as you said! LOL Jackie :) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 22 21:25:41 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 22 21:25:29 2005 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <43AB8A3F.7544@Tomaszewski.net> I don't know if the List can support two Geologists with a sense of humor. A certain percentage of jokes will fall flat. The accumulated sediment of failed jokes could bury the List. Erosion might keep up with one Geologist comic, but I fear that two will get too deep. Will our tears of laughter keep up? Stay tuned for the next episode of Rockhounds@Drizzle.com, the List! Kreigh pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > Jackie & friends, > > I have also read that these booms may be caused by the Elbonian navy (ref., Dilbert) sneaking inside the U.S. 12-mile limit, and clandestinely using the Outer Banks for gunnery practice. They have limited opportunity to do this back in their own country, because it is landlocked. (Now, just where DID I read that? ...) And now some quibbler, like Jackie, is probably going to remind me that the Outer Banks are off the northeast coast of North Carolina, and her noises are in the SE. Well, what's > > Alternatively of course, it could be the Belgians doing this, they are always up to something. > > And if anyone thinks this is off topic, I want to add that most of the good rocks are, of course, in western North Carolina. I'm sure you'll all agree with that, which shows that what I have been saying here is must be not only on-topic, but true! > > Pete > > -------------- Original message from CRAZYDOVE@aol.com: -------------- > > > Hi Tina..yep..I agree about continental shelf sounding much more sexy, > > intriquing. > > We also have a Naval Ammunition dump right across the river from where I > > live, Cape Fear river, but doesn't seem to be coming from them..unless they had > > an > > "oooops" ... From jaybates at rcn.com Thu Dec 22 21:54:57 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Thu Dec 22 21:53:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <43AB8A3F.7544@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000501c60785$67c8de60$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Geologist humor is only exceeded by their earthy doggeral. God help us! http://www.heptune.com/geosong.html#GEOLOGY%20POEM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? > I don't know if the List can support two Geologists with a sense of > humor. A certain percentage of jokes will fall flat. The accumulated > sediment of failed jokes could bury the List. Erosion might keep up with > one Geologist comic, but I fear that two will get too deep. Will our > tears of laughter keep up? > > Stay tuned for the next episode of Rockhounds@Drizzle.com, the List! > > Kreigh > > > > > > pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > > > Jackie & friends, > > > > I have also read that these booms may be caused by the Elbonian navy (ref., Dilbert) sneaking inside the U.S. 12-mile limit, and clandestinely using the Outer Banks for gunnery practice. They have limited opportunity to do this back in their own country, because it is landlocked. (Now, just where DID I read that? ...) And now some quibbler, like Jackie, is probably going to remind me that the Outer Banks are off the northeast coast of North Carolina, and her noises are in the SE. Well, what's > > > > Alternatively of course, it could be the Belgians doing this, they are always up to something. > > > > And if anyone thinks this is off topic, I want to add that most of the good rocks are, of course, in western North Carolina. I'm sure you'll all agree with that, which shows that what I have been saying here is must be not only on-topic, but true! > > > > Pete > > > > -------------- Original message from CRAZYDOVE@aol.com: -------------- > > > > > Hi Tina..yep..I agree about continental shelf sounding much more sexy, > > > intriquing. > > > We also have a Naval Ammunition dump right across the river from where I > > > live, Cape Fear river, but doesn't seem to be coming from them..unless they had > > > an > > > "oooops" ... > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jsmall47 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 04:04:52 2005 From: jsmall47 at earthlink.net (Jim Small) Date: Fri Dec 23 04:03:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds OT ? for list Geologists! In-Reply-To: <200512230200.jBN20OIe009869@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512230200.jBN20OIe009869@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051223065641.02564dc0@mail.earthlink.net> Jackie - Yes, you got it as to what stratigraphy means - the subsurface layering. Having bogs and swamps at the surface is suggestive, but not definitive, for having an underground bog in your area. Bogs which have become encapsulated can not only produce gas, but they may also be physically unstable, especially if they still have a high water content. Having one under the ground near you is sort of like building a house on top of a bowl of hard jello - the ground will move. Loggers hate working above old bogs, because when they start cutting trees, the tree root masses may shift as the tree is cut into, which keeps binding up their saws. Similarly, if there is a bog below ground in your area, seasonal temperature changes may lead to gas generation, detonation, and ground movement. Metty Christmas, and KOR, Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary From jsmall47 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 05:58:15 2005 From: jsmall47 at earthlink.net (Jim Small) Date: Fri Dec 23 05:56:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] oops... Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051223085618.0256eb10@mail.earthlink.net> Jackie - I meant to type "Merry Christmas..." make haste, slowly... Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Dec 23 06:43:38 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 06:43:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] oops... Message-ID: <25f.4294733.30dd671a@aol.com> LOL..I thought you were typing with an accent!!! *BG* Metty Christmas to you Jim!! *G* Jackie In a message dated 12/23/2005 8:56:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jsmall47@earthlink.net writes: Jackie - I meant to type "Merry Christmas..." make haste, slowly... Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Dec 23 07:51:30 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Fri Dec 23 07:44:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? In-Reply-To: <000501c60785$67c8de60$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <43AB8A3F.7544@Tomaszewski.net> <000501c60785$67c8de60$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <43AC1D02.6010002@hal-pc.org> jaybates wrote: >Geologist humor is only exceeded by their earthy doggeral. God help us! > >http://www.heptune.com/geosong.html#GEOLOGY%20POEM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:25 PM >Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? > > > > >>I don't know if the List can support two Geologists with a sense of >>humor. A certain percentage of jokes will fall flat. The accumulated >>sediment of failed jokes could bury the List. Erosion might keep up with >>one Geologist comic, but I fear that two will get too deep. Will our >>tears of laughter keep up? >> >>Stay tuned for the next episode of Rockhounds@Drizzle.com, the List! >> >>Kreigh >> >> >> >> >> >> Hmm...that makes over nearly 40 postings in the past few days on booms, bogs, and rock n' roll. We can perhaps theorize, or at least hypothecise, that either everybody is off work this week and has yet to discover what exactly it is that they should be doing while not working, or, that there is a hidden agenda, to wit: someone has been experimenting with the sudden liquefaction of bogs and bedrock using surplus armaments and is about to announce to the world a solution to the Energy Crisis! We are about to make oil out of limestone!! Did you hear that, Axel? Do you know what that would do to the price of cement?? Ah, well; no technology is without its cost. Merry Christmas, Everybody (you too, Pete)! john From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Fri Dec 23 08:46:47 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Fri Dec 23 08:46:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The amazing world at 40X Message-ID: <20051223164647.76202C6139@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> After chatting (Mindat) with several micro-collectors for the better part of the year; I now have a new stereo microscope with computer interface for capturing images. Even with a few specs I have with tiny crystals; I'm in love with the micro-world. Last night I spent quite a bit of time going over a bornite on tarnished silver; amazing formations and colours! So you'll see more of me about; picking the experienced minds. And approaching 56 and still learning! David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From danielz at acmenet.net Fri Dec 23 09:05:11 2005 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Fri Dec 23 09:05:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Many Facets, Albany, NY... Sold Message-ID: <000501c607e3$09957c00$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Hi folks, Just wanted to let all our friends here know that after 21 years the Many Facets Rock Shop has been sold and is closed in Albany, NY. The new owners are in New Jersey. They will be reopening down there, and will be offering all the same things we did. They will also be publishing our book on "Rockhounding in Eastern New York and Nearby New England." In addition they plan to do something we haven't done -- participate in shows. We thank you all for your help and support over the years. We have learned a lot from the people in this group, and always enjoyed participating. In fact we still will, but as "private citizens" from now own. So watch www.manyfacets.com to see when the new owners reopen the store. We hope you will extend the same courtesy and friendliness to them that you did to us. Dan and Kay Zabriskie From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Dec 23 09:54:39 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Fri Dec 23 09:47:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures Message-ID: <43AC39DF.50209@hal-pc.org> It being one of the times of the year when rumination and flights of fancy are in order, especially for the little children in all of us, I thought about another "What if..." and came up with this; Suppose we were to compose a public lecture and advertise its title as a clue to content? Maybe something like: "Prestidigitation and the Geological Record. Explaining Rocks and Fossils to the General Public as a PIO of the USGS." (RSVP for GAO ACC MTD 403. NSN # 5930-030-000-894x) by Pete Modreski "Mauna Loa: Looking Down and Looking up. Duality In The Mount of Earthly Change and The Mount of Heavenly Bliss. The Personal Experiences of Bill and Kitty Heacox." by Kitty&Bill "How to Turn Fishes Into Rocks, And Vice Versa, A Not Too Miraculous Combination of Life Events." by Tim Fisher "If It Aint In Arkansas, It Aint." by Henry Barwood "Tracing Idaho. How To Distinguish The Northwest From The Rest of America." by Lanny Ream "Database Mining. Mas/Mils and Me." by Gary Brown "Mistaken Identity. How van Loewenhook Set Back Micromounting by Centuries by looking at Pond Water Instead of Rocks." by Jim Daly "All I Said Was Good Morning And That Started An Uproar. The Varieties of Solutes in Local Waters." by Micheal Schmidt "Lunarescence. The X File On Rocks from Unconventional Places." Followed by the short encore, "If It Don't Glow, It Aint." by Axel Emmermann Et Al. john From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Dec 23 10:01:21 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 10:01:29 2005 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: <149.534a34f1.30dd9571@aol.com> I agree..we wouldn't want to get "bogged" down now, would we?? *G* Jackie In a message dated 12/23/2005 12:25:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: I don't know if the List can support two Geologists with a sense of humor. A certain percentage of jokes will fall flat. The accumulated sediment of failed jokes could bury the List. Erosion might keep up with one Geologist comic, but I fear that two will get too deep. Will our tears of laughter keep up? Stay tuned for the next episode of Rockhounds@Drizzle.com, the List! Kreigh --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Fri Dec 23 13:07:35 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Dec 23 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? In-Reply-To: <2cb.b4a7ad.30dcd23c@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051223210725.D6D92A109F@marbella.infowest.com> I really favor the Elbonian Navy theory -- !! Margaret >ROFLING!!!!!! Full moon Pete??????? I like your thinking...makes sense to me..ummmmmm..what does that say about me tho! LOL Thanks for the laugh Pete..you WERE kidding right? RIGHT? Oh..and keeping this On TOPIC...I am just breathless with anticipation of my forays (in the future) into Western NC to go hunting for those BIG emeralds!! LOL..I should live so long! But we are planning a trip/trips to do some "hunting", that's for sure. Jackie :) In a message dated 12/22/2005 9:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pjmodreski@att.net writes: Jackie & friends, I have also read that these booms may be caused by the Elbonian navy (ref., Dilbert) sneaking inside the U.S. 12-mile limit, and clandestinely using the Outer Banks for gunnery practice. They have limited opportunity to do this back in their own country, because it is landlocked. (Now, just where DID I read that? ...) And now some quibbler, like Jackie, is probably going to remind me that the Outer Banks are off the northeast coast of North Carolina, and her noises are in the SE. Well, what's a few extra miles? Alternatively of course, it could be the Belgians doing this, they are always up to something. And if anyone thinks this is off topic, I want to add that most of the good rocks are, of course, in western North Carolina. I'm sure you'll all agree with that, which shows that what I have been saying here is must be not only on-topic, but true! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Fri Dec 23 13:10:03 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Dec 23 13:10:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures In-Reply-To: <43AC39DF.50209@hal-pc.org> References: <43AC39DF.50209@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051223110722.02489088@incoming.verizon.net> Very amusing John! I'd try to think of some more, but am too busy wrapping presents and finishing decorating the tree. (I'm ALWAYS late!) I'll try after Christmas. Mahalo, Kitty At 07:54 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote: >It being one of the times of the year when rumination and flights of fancy >are in order, especially for the little children in all of us, I thought >about another "What if..." and came up with this; > >Suppose we were to compose a public lecture and advertise its title as a >clue to content? > >Maybe something like: > >"Prestidigitation and the Geological Record. Explaining Rocks and Fossils >to the General Public as a PIO of the USGS." (RSVP for GAO ACC MTD 403. >NSN # 5930-030-000-894x) by Pete Modreski > >"Mauna Loa: Looking Down and Looking up. Duality In The Mount of Earthly >Change and The Mount of Heavenly Bliss. The Personal Experiences of Bill >and Kitty Heacox." by Kitty&Bill > >"How to Turn Fishes Into Rocks, And Vice Versa, A Not Too Miraculous >Combination of Life Events." by Tim Fisher > >"If It Aint In Arkansas, It Aint." by Henry Barwood > >"Tracing Idaho. How To Distinguish The Northwest From The Rest of >America." by Lanny Ream > >"Database Mining. Mas/Mils and Me." by Gary Brown > >"Mistaken Identity. How van Loewenhook Set Back Micromounting by Centuries >by looking at Pond Water Instead of Rocks." by Jim Daly > >"All I Said Was Good Morning And That Started An Uproar. The Varieties of >Solutes in Local Waters." by Micheal Schmidt > >"Lunarescence. The X File On Rocks from Unconventional Places." >Followed by the short encore, "If It Don't Glow, It Aint." by Axel Emmermann > >Et Al. > >john From rpr at heidelberg.edu Fri Dec 23 14:48:57 2005 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Fri Dec 23 14:49:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Strange coincidence In-Reply-To: <001001c5a4b5$6bda4670$9b0bbed8@karolzg5f1uiqk> References: <200508190104.j7J14PAO005801@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001001c5a4b5$6bda4670$9b0bbed8@karolzg5f1uiqk> Message-ID: Maybe this little discovery will help someone... I have an old B&L stereoscope that I keep next to my computer in my study, for checking micromounts as I catalog them, mostly to make sure I remember which specimen gets which label. One of its shortcomings is that the round glass insert in the base did not come with the scope, and there's always been a hole where the glass insert should be. Not a major problem, but an occasional nuisance, at least. Today I was trying to figure out what was on a CD that was sitting next to the scope, and realized it was just a talk I gave last wek, so the CD was surplus. OK, toss it. Then the two paths crossed, and by golly, the CD fits perfectly in the hole where the glass plate is supposed to be. So if you have a scope without its plate, try sticking an old CD or two in there. At current prices, when they get scratched, they're disposable! Merry Christmas! Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Dec 23 15:03:35 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 15:03:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: <1ee.49460ae0.30dddc47@aol.com> I have to say..I agree..LOL..and I have to say..I love the holidayish spirit being shown by the list members..it's really made my day, after working in the kitchen for 2 days and then tomorrow again..getting ready for a small Christmas eve party..coming in here to read some email for a quick sitdown..really really made me laugh and feel better! Jackie :) In a message dated 12/23/2005 4:07:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, kadok@infowest.com writes: I really favor the Elbonian Navy theory -- !! Margaret --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Dec 23 15:06:28 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 15:06:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures Message-ID: John..how bout one about the "boom booms" in NC? Hey..btw..I was told today..no proof yet, that we are on a fault line..I will do some research after the holidays..but I found that interesting. Jackie :) In a message dated 12/23/2005 4:10:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, kahako@verizon.net writes: Very amusing John! I'd try to think of some more, but am too busy wrapping presents and finishing decorating the tree. (I'm ALWAYS late!) I'll try after Christmas. Mahalo, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 23 15:35:29 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 23 15:35:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kitty and all the others, >>decorating the tree. what did it do to deserve a medal? Happy holydays to all ye Rockhounds Axel From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Dec 23 18:27:11 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 23 18:23:58 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} References: Message-ID: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> I shared this one with my son, and he asked if anyone on the list has made decorations for their tree out of rocks or minerals. Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hi Kitty and all the others, > > >>decorating the tree. > > what did it do to deserve a medal? > > Happy holydays to all ye Rockhounds > > Axel From davisj at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 18:32:38 2005 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Fri Dec 23 18:32:46 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} In-Reply-To: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: ur a bit late From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Dec 23 18:37:10 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 18:37:18 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} Message-ID: <200.f77ae43.30de0e56@aol.com> How bout chunks of pyrite, with wire around them to hang them on the tree? Jackie In a message dated 12/23/2005 9:24:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? Kreigh --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Fri Dec 23 19:55:39 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 19:55:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Message-ID: <23a.43f67ef.30de20bb@aol.com> Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can confirm this if you wish. This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a "Hidey Ho" to all. _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Dec 23 20:12:52 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 20:12:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Message-ID: <262.31499ea.30de24c4@aol.com> ROFLING...!! Cute lil guy!! Merry Christmas Gene! Jackie In a message dated 12/23/2005 10:56:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, FOSSILNUT@aol.com writes: Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can confirm this if you wish. This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a "Hidey Ho" to all. _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Dec 23 22:07:08 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Fri Dec 23 21:59:38 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} In-Reply-To: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> References: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <43ACE58C.8000006@hal-pc.org> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >I shared this one with my son, and he asked if anyone on the list has >made decorations for their tree out of rocks or minerals. > >Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and >are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. > >But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? > >Kreigh > > > Those thin, often-dyed, slices of Brazilian agate are sold as wind chimes and decorations. No reason they can't go on the tree. One might even make garlands out of the available strings of rock chips like hematite or turquoise, or the ubiquitous beads of all kinds (Check out your local R&G show). Think of what thin slices of fluorescents would look like with only the fireplace and the UV lamp bulb going. For you micro-people, string up the little cubic plastic boxes with some samples inside, and maybe some ID on the outside for the relatives when they visit. A large asterated thin book of mica would look very nice on top of the tree with one of the light strings routed behind it, or a large faceted gem like garnet or quartz or CZ with its own light. (The same with a six-sided star cut would compliment a Menorah.) Pyrite or Marcasite dollars. Very thin slices of Rainbow or Iris obsidian. Tile under the tree with a specially-built intarsia heirloom... And, of course, the proverbial lump of coal for the more unpleasant members of the family, just as a gentle reminder. john From webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com Fri Dec 23 23:17:19 2005 From: webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com (Sally) Date: Fri Dec 23 23:17:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: sonic booms Message-ID: <005001c6085a$148c5da0$10cce304@FREEDOM> I live only 50 miles away from a bomb testing field (Idaho) and you would never know they were there - you can see flashes if you look for them, but you won't hear them. I lived in the Mt.s in Colorado though and sometimes wind currents or something atmospheric would cause booming sounds. I'm not sure how far those sounds would travel. I'm not saying that's what you are hearing -- I'd have to hear it for myself. But as for just sonic booms from planes breaking the sound barrier? I haven't heard that in over two decades, and I am sure they are traveling faster now then they were back then. My guess is you have an atmospheric phenomenon going on. Sal Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com Your Global Rockhound Center --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Fri Dec 23 23:18:43 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Dec 23 23:18:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings In-Reply-To: References: <200508190104.j7J14PAO005801@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001001c5a4b5$6bda4670$9b0bbed8@karolzg5f1uiqk> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051223202847.03782c40@incoming.verizon.net> Dear List, This time of year people celebrate generosity, friendship, harmony, and peace. As rockhounds we are fascinated by rocks, minerals, and fossils, and that's an affirmation for the marvels of our earth. Rockhounding is not just an eccentric hobby, but an activity of folks who appreciate the wonders of our planet. When we smile at our treasures, and share them with others---especially children---our lives are enriched. So since this is the time to share good will, I think the Rockhounds List is a great place to do just that! Please accept Bill's and my best wishes to you all for health, happiness, and peace in the new year. Mele Kalikimaka, Kitty From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Dec 23 23:31:26 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Fri Dec 23 23:25:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ACF94E.3090408@hal-pc.org> CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: >John..how bout one about the "boom booms" in NC? Hey..btw..I was told >today..no proof yet, that we are on a fault line..I will do some research after the >holidays..but I found that interesting. > Jackie :) > > > Madam, we are ALL living on a fault line in this list...but it's not my fault, thank goodness! "Boom, Doom, And Gloom. An Examination of The Xerokee Strata in Carolina With Some Late-Appearing Outcrops Said By Some To Be Natural And By Others To Be Super." by Jackie CrazyDove, native-born American. Part of a continuing series: "Contributions To Histerical Geology", University of Elbonia Press, 1892- See also "An Examination of Elevation in North American Rain Forests Using The StockWood Method And a VW Bus Named The St. Helena Express." by Dave Bese. Cf. Op. cit. (sub supra). john From jimbob58 at pobox.mtaonline.net Sat Dec 24 00:16:59 2005 From: jimbob58 at pobox.mtaonline.net (Jim) Date: Sat Dec 24 00:15:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings References: <200508190104.j7J14PAO005801@bubbleator.drizzle.com><001001c5a4b5$6bda4670$9b0bbed8@karolzg5f1uiqk> <6.2.1.2.0.20051223202847.03782c40@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000601c60862$6c64cb40$6501a8c0@JimP> Thank you and the same to you and yours. jimp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings > Dear List, > > This time of year people celebrate generosity, friendship, harmony, and > peace. As rockhounds we are fascinated by rocks, minerals, and fossils, > and that's an affirmation for the marvels of our earth. Rockhounding is > not just an eccentric hobby, but an activity of folks who appreciate the > wonders of our planet. When we smile at our treasures, and share them with > others---especially children---our lives are enriched. So since this is > the time to share good will, I think the Rockhounds List is a great place > to do just that! > > Please accept Bill's and my best wishes to you all for health, happiness, > and peace in the new year. > > Mele Kalikimaka, Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 24 01:57:06 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 24 01:57:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051223202847.03782c40@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: I'll second that! As usual very well put, Kitty. That sums it up rather nicely... who we are and why we do what we do ;-))) I don't know Hawaiian but here are my seasons greeting from Belgium in Flemish: Prettige feestdagen en een gelukkig en voorspoedig nieuw jaar aan alle leden van de Rockhound lijst Axel (and World Peace too but then I'd risk being elected Miss Universe so I'll stop just short of that). -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox Verzonden: zaterdag 24 december 2005 8:19 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings Dear List, This time of year people celebrate generosity, friendship, harmony, and peace. As rockhounds we are fascinated by rocks, minerals, and fossils, and that's an affirmation for the marvels of our earth. Rockhounding is not just an eccentric hobby, but an activity of folks who appreciate the wonders of our planet. When we smile at our treasures, and share them with others---especially children---our lives are enriched. So since this is the time to share good will, I think the Rockhounds List is a great place to do just that! Please accept Bill's and my best wishes to you all for health, happiness, and peace in the new year. Mele Kalikimaka, Kitty _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 24 02:06:56 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 24 02:07:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051223110722.02489088@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: >"Lunarescence. The X File On Rocks from Unconventional Places." >Followed by the short encore, "If It Don't Glow, It Aint." by Axel Emmermann lol... Second encore: "How to tan an audience in under 10 minutes" (I'll need 120 V for my SW lamps) Axel From jabac at hal-pc.org Sat Dec 24 06:04:58 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Sat Dec 24 06:00:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: sonic booms In-Reply-To: <005001c6085a$148c5da0$10cce304@FREEDOM> References: <005001c6085a$148c5da0$10cce304@FREEDOM> Message-ID: <43AD558A.4030000@hal-pc.org> Sally wrote: >I live only 50 miles away from a bomb testing field (Idaho) and you would never know they were there - you can see flashes if you look for them, but you won't hear them. > >I lived in the Mt.s in Colorado though and sometimes wind currents or something atmospheric would cause booming sounds. I'm not sure how far those sounds would travel. > >I'm not saying that's what you are hearing -- I'd have to hear it for myself. But as for just sonic booms from planes breaking the sound barrier? I haven't heard that in over two decades, and I am sure they are traveling faster now then they were back then. My guess is you have an atmospheric phenomenon going on. > >Sal >Sally Taylor >webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com >http://www.rockhoundstation1.com >Your Global Rockhound Center > > > Channeled thunder, eh? Or maybe the Thunderbird. Don't forget the Drum Mountains in Utah which have been mysteriously booming for as long as people have known about them. There is also a range in Utah called the Wah Wah. What a wonderful name. Drums and Wah Wah in SLC, with the Tabernacle Choir as backup singers. john From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 24 06:43:00 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 24 06:43:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings/tree ornaments/phosphorescence! Message-ID: <122420051443.28659.43AD5E73000D320E00006FF3216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Dear List, I think we are all being informal enough at this time of year, that no one will mind of I totally mix these topics together. I heartily second Bill & Kitty's (in English and Hawaiian), Axel's (Flemish), and all the rest's, warm greetings to everyone on the list for a joyous and peaceful Christmas and New Year. And, re. tree ornaments, I have actually made and used, ornaments of small sheets of native copper, and (non-natural) of the multi-hued, synthetic clusters of bismuth crystals. And lastly, going back to our earlier thread on phosphorescence, I pulled out my copy of the 1950 article several of us referred to, by Henry E. Millson and Henry E. Millson, Jr. (Journal of the Optical Society of America, vol. 40, no. 7, pp. 430-435). I'll quote from the abstract of their article: "Protracted phosphorescence has been discovered in calcite, fluorite, spodumene, wernerite, willemite, and synthetic phosphors. After an initial exposure of one minute, Texas calcite emittd an afterglow which was distinguishable to dark-adapted eyes for 4000 hours and was capable of producing a photographic image after more than 5-1/2 years. Fluorite from Trumbull, Connecticut, similarly exposed, continued to emit a phosphorescence perceptible to the eye for more than four years. The Texas calcite, fluorite, and spodumene are still phosphorescing." So, anyone with a UV lamp, some specimens, and a lot of patience, is welcome to repeat and extend their observations! Merry Christmas and New Year's to all, Pete Modreski, Denver, Colorado -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > Dear List, > > This time of year people celebrate generosity, friendship, harmony, and > peace. As rockhounds we are fascinated by rocks, minerals, and fossils, > and that's an affirmation for the marvels of our earth. Rockhounding is > not just an eccentric hobby, but an activity of folks who appreciate the > wonders of our planet. When we smile at our treasures, and share them with > others---especially children---our lives are enriched. So since this is > the time to share good will, I think the Rockhounds List is a great place > to do just that! > > Please accept Bill's and my best wishes to you all for health, happiness, > and peace in the new year. > > Mele Kalikimaka, Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 07:01:35 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Dec 24 07:01:39 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} In-Reply-To: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20051224150135.56040.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kreigh, In your area, wouldn't gypsum crystals be even more appropriate? Jim Daly --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I shared this one with my son, and he asked if > anyone on the list has > made decorations for their tree out of rocks or > minerals. > > Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) > crystals to hang, and > are considering some small geodes and some sheets of > mica. > > But I thought I should ask the list for other > suggestions. Any ideas? > > Kreigh > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Hi Kitty and all the others, > > > > >>decorating the tree. > > > > what did it do to deserve a medal? > > > > Happy holydays to all ye Rockhounds > > > > Axel > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Sat Dec 24 08:37:34 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 24 08:37:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Holiday greetings Message-ID: <5b.777c128d.30ded34e@aol.com> Merry Christmas to one and all!!! Happy Holidays!!!! I wish you a warm home, good food, happy times with family and friends, and to stay safe thru the season! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Sat Dec 24 09:02:03 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Sat Dec 24 08:54:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The amazing world at 40X In-Reply-To: <20051223164647.76202C6139@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051223164647.76202C6139@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43AD7F0B.6020001@hal-pc.org> rain forest wrote: >After chatting (Mindat) with several micro-collectors for the better part of the year; I now have a new stereo microscope with computer interface for capturing images. Even with a few specs I have with tiny crystals; I'm in love with the micro-world. Last night I spent quite a bit of time going over a bornite on tarnished silver; amazing formations and colours! > >So you'll see more of me about; picking the experienced minds. And approaching 56 and still learning! > >David Bese >The Rainforest Hippie >Pt. Orchard, Wa. > >"There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." >"Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." >"Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." > > > > 56? Lord, where are we finding these children? Son, you were 6 yrs. old when Bill Haley pushed the starter button for the engine of Rock&Roll. You are a bona-fide near-contemporary of Elvis, the true bro of Lennon! You are of the generation of Mr. Peabody and Manfred, the Wonder Dog! You are the grandson of Captain Kangaroo, the scion of Mr. Wizard! There's nothing you can't do. So get thee hence immediately to St. Hilaire and BUST SOME ROCK for starters! (Well...maybe you ought to wait until the snow clears...and don't forget your passport). In the meantime, do some research in Rocks&Minerals magazine. Nearly every issue has articles on the doings of the [Inter]National Group of MicroPeople. There's your Who's Who. john From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Dec 24 09:36:30 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 24 09:31:12 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} References: <20051224150135.56040.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43AD85D8.7C1C@Tomaszewski.net> Yes, I have several of the bright orange selenite crystals from the Alabastine Mine hanging on the tree. Jim Daly wrote: > > Kreigh, > In your area, wouldn't gypsum crystals be even more > appropriate? > Jim Daly > > --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > I shared this one with my son, and he asked if > > anyone on the list has > > made decorations for their tree out of rocks or > > minerals. > > > > Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) > > crystals to hang, and > > are considering some small geodes and some sheets of > > mica. > > > > But I thought I should ask the list for other > > suggestions. Any ideas? > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kitty and all the others, > > > > > > >>decorating the tree. > > > > > > what did it do to deserve a medal? > > > > > > Happy holydays to all ye Rockhounds > > > > > > Axel From kahako at verizon.net Sat Dec 24 09:39:05 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Dec 24 09:39:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations In-Reply-To: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> References: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051224073123.024813a8@incoming.verizon.net> How about fluorite cleavage octahedrons, and setting up LW UV "black lights" (the kind used at parties and dicso dances) to make them fluoresce? Aloha, Kitty At 04:27 PM 12/23/2005, you wrote: >I shared this one with my son, and he asked if anyone on the list has >made decorations for their tree out of rocks or minerals. > >Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and >are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. > >But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? > >Kreigh From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 24 10:59:42 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 24 11:00:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations Message-ID: <122420051859.19294.43AD9A9D0003ED3500004B5E216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Did you ever try tying a string around a fluorite octahedron, Kitty? (Well, neither have it, but it sounds tricky to get it to stay looped around.) (Right, I just don't believe in superglue.) I had quite a challenge one year, finding a couple of those bismuth clusters, that had a convenient enclosed hole right through the cluster, so you could run a string through it to tie it to a hook. Pete -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > How about fluorite cleavage octahedrons, and setting up LW UV "black > lights" (the kind used at parties and dicso dances) to make them fluoresce? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 04:27 PM 12/23/2005, you wrote: > >I shared this one with my son, and he asked if anyone on the list has > >made decorations for their tree out of rocks or minerals. > > > >Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and > >are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. > > > >But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? > > > >Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From diente at prismnet.com Sat Dec 24 11:16:45 2005 From: diente at prismnet.com (diente@prismnet.com) Date: Sat Dec 24 11:17:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations In-Reply-To: <122420051859.19294.43AD9A9D0003ED3500004B5E216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <43AD4A3D.12610.50D6D3@localhost> As part of our fluorescent display in our annual show, we made a Christmas tree with longwave ornaments. Chunks of fluorite, wernerite, calcite, and agrellite hot glued to a wire ornament hanger. Simple and easy to remove later. Paul Bordovsky Austin, TX > Did you ever try tying a string around a fluorite octahedron, Kitty? > (Well, neither have it, but it sounds tricky to get it to stay looped > around.) (Right, I just don't believe in superglue.) > > I had quite a challenge one year, finding a couple of those bismuth > clusters, that had a convenient enclosed hole right through the > cluster, so you could run a string through it to tie it to a hook. > > Pete From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Dec 24 12:33:13 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (tam2819@cox.net) Date: Sat Dec 24 12:33:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Greetings Message-ID: <20051224203133.VZQQ26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> To All, Terrie X XXX XXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX "BUON ANNO" "JOYEUX NOEL" "VESELE VANOCE" "MELE KALIKIMAKA" "NODLAG SONA DHUIT" "BLWYDDYN NEWYDD DDA" "GOD JUL" "FELIZ NATAL" "BOAS FESTAS" "FELIZ NAVIDAD" "MERRY CHRISTMAS" "KALA CHRISTOUGENA" "VROLIJK KERSTFEEST" "FROHLICHE WEIHNACHTEN" "BUON NATALE-GODT NYTAR" "HUAN YING SHENG TAN CHIEH" "WESOLYCH SWIAT-SRETAN BOZIC" "MOADIM LESIMHA-LINKSMU KALEDU" "HAUSKAA JOULUA-AID SAID MOUBARK" "'N PRETTIG KERSTMIS" "ONNZLLISTA UUTTA VUOTTA" "Z ROZHDESTYOM KHRYSTOVYM" "NADOLIG LLAWEN-GOTT NYTTSAR" "FELIC NADAL-GOJAN KRISTNASKON" "S NOVYM GODOM-FELIZ ANO NUEVO" "GLEDILEG JOL-NOELINIZ KUTLU OLSUM" "EEN GELUKKIG NIEUWJAAR-SRETAN BOSIC" "KRIHSTLINDJA GEZUAR-KALA CHRISTOUGENA" "SELAMAT HARI NATAL - LAHNINGU NAJU METU" "SARBATORI FERICITE-BUON ANNO" "ZORIONEKO GABON-HRISTOS SE RODI" "BOLDOG KARACSONNY-VESELE VIANOCE " "HAPPY CHRISTMAS - - HAPPY NEW YEAR" "ROOMSAID JOULU PUHI -KUNG HO SHENG TEN" "FELICES PASUAS-EIN GLUCKICHES NEWJAHR" "PRIECIGUS ZIEMAN SVETKUS SARBATORI VESLLE" "BONNE ANNEBLWYDDYN NEWYDD DDADR FELIZ NATAL" XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Dec 24 16:20:01 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Dec 24 18:25:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered References: <23a.43f67ef.30de20bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <007301c608e8$f64093e0$0300a8c0@otie> Priceless Gene! Perhaps this is from the Streisandasaurus? John From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Dec 24 16:40:19 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Dec 24 18:45:23 2005 Subject: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} References: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <008801c608eb$cc62c680$0300a8c0@otie> Kreigh, I went out into the woods just before midnight Thursday (the woods being the back yard) and cut a small fir while Julie was sleeping. We have few decorations so I placed some of our more treasured crystals and shiny minerals around the base. They reflect the light beautifully and remind us of the various adventures we've had collecting them. A few years back we had no money for Christmas presents. So I wrapped up several boxes of minerals that we had collected but never high-graded. We had a wonderful time sitting around the fire on Christmas day having a virtual rockhounding trip. This will always be one of my favorite holiday memories. John From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 24 18:58:21 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 24 18:58:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Merry Christmas! Message-ID: Behold, a child was born. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Dec 24 20:32:02 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 24 20:25:16 2005 Subject: OT: Re: Tree Decorations {was: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures} References: <43ACB137.1905@Tomaszewski.net> <008801c608eb$cc62c680$0300a8c0@otie> Message-ID: <43AE1F1F.5C06@Tomaszewski.net> John, Memories of happy times are priceless, and sharing them multiplies the joy. Thank you for making my Christmas brighter and more enjoyable. We also put up our tree just before Christmas (ours went up Thursday evening too), traditionally decorate it Christmas Eve (after the younger kids have gone to bed -- a family rite of passage is staying up with the 'adults' to help), and then leave it up for the twelve days of Christmas. Last year our youngest finally got to stay up and help decorate. This year we had to have 'Family Christmas' on the 23rd (so my brother, and one of my two sisters, and my grown up kids, and families, could attend), so the tree had to get decorated early (Christmas Eve has always been a Family party, and as the eldest in my family it is usually at our house); Christmas Eve is always a party, it just came early this year. So as I contemplate a smaller and less eventful than usual Christmas morning I hope all on this List, whether you celebrate Christmas with me or not, will share in my joy in this season of giving and thanksgiving. I hope you have a very Merry Christmas (I hear it is a boy), and a Happy New Year! Kreigh John Siebel wrote: > > Kreigh, > > I went out into the woods just before midnight Thursday (the woods being the > back yard) and cut a small fir while Julie was sleeping. We have few > decorations so I placed some of our more treasured crystals and shiny > minerals around the base. They reflect the light beautifully and remind us > of the various adventures we've had collecting them. > > A few years back we had no money for Christmas presents. So I wrapped up > several boxes of minerals that we had collected but never high-graded. We > had a wonderful time sitting around the fire on Christmas day having a > virtual rockhounding trip. This will always be one of my favorite holiday > memories. > > John From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Dec 25 09:20:22 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Sun Dec 25 09:12:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? In-Reply-To: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <43AED4D6.3090706@hal-pc.org> pjmodreski@att.net wrote: >Jackie & friends, > >I have also read that these booms may be caused by the Elbonian navy (ref., Dilbert) sneaking inside the U.S. 12-mile limit, and clandestinely using the Outer Banks for gunnery practice. They have limited opportunity to do this back in their own country, because it is landlocked. (Now, just where DID I read that? ...) And now some quibbler, like Jackie, is probably going to remind me that the Outer Banks are off the northeast coast of North Carolina, and her noises are in the SE. Well, what's a few extra miles? > > > ... >Pete > > > Why not? Lake Titicaca has its own navy -- two of them. And there are Admirals in the Peruvian navy. That shallow mud flat called Lake-in-the-Woods-of-Elbonia HAS its own pontoon-boat navy! Check the Landsat image site for verification. As for gunnery practice, even the Elbonians have found it difficult to persuade horses to load cassions onto pontoon-boats. So they have settled on a virtual reality program made by Dilbert's company to act in its place. That's why D. has made so many trips to Elbonia, to debug the "shells", so to speak. Virtually, I guess that I would favor the Elbonian Navy theory as well. Seriously, though, if there "boomers" in places like Carolina and the Drum Mtns. in Utah, have there been no rigorous programs to find out what is their cause? One explanation that I can envisage is the hammer from underground would-be geysers. These are as likely as not to be in both of the above places; anywhere that hot springs and limestone occur together? Or perhaps the collapse of underground caverns, which would be more random in character. Same situ. john From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sun Dec 25 11:21:43 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun Dec 25 11:23:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered In-Reply-To: <23a.43f67ef.30de20bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <200512251923.jBPJNlV4005110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall Mountains of Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find anything. Regards, Bob Loeffler BobL@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Dealer Chairman and Webmaster Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can confirm this if you wish. This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a "Hidey Ho" to all. _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Dec 25 12:30:24 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Dec 25 12:30:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: sonic booms and other things that go boom in the night.... References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <43AED4D6.3090706@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <002301c60992$0917aea0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> We spent a night on Drum Mt last spring. Didn't hear a thing but the wind whistling in my ears all night. I did hear a jet go by high in the sky, the sound came long after the jet passed us. No boom, just usual jet humming. We had something that sounded big hit the roof of our house and rattled the windows, but when we looked out we didn't find a thing on the roof, nor in the yard. Big acorns?? Sometimes we get a low level rumble, almost sub-sonic "vibration" here, but we figured out what it was. When the ground is wet and a particularly heavy freight train comes down the track more than a mile from the house it shakes the ground, and us. When it's also overcast you hear a low roar also. Seems to happen more when the train is going at a slow to moderate speed, not the fast bound freights we usually get whizzing by. Since we live in a more geological formation challenged area ( read not many rocks around here) maybe sound vibrations travel thru the ground better?? Jeanette From rockhounds at adelphia.net Sun Dec 25 14:31:57 2005 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Sun Dec 25 14:26:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered In-Reply-To: <200512251923.jBPJNlV4005110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000001c609a3$04486390$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became a collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall Mountains of Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find anything. Regards, Bob Loeffler BobL@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Dealer Chairman and Webmaster Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can confirm this if you wish. This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a "Hidey Ho" to all. _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Sun Dec 25 19:14:17 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Dec 25 19:14:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations In-Reply-To: <122420051859.19294.43AD9A9D0003ED3500004B5E216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <20051226031422.F3DE2A102B@marbella.infowest.com> I guess this is maybe a bit off the edge of this discussion; but I, being an opal (Aussie-type) enthusiast & sometimes miner, find it great to decorate the tree with jewelry made using my opals. With some strings of lights to light up the sparkle ---!!You don't even have to worry about how to hang them! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:00 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations Did you ever try tying a string around a fluorite octahedron, Kitty? (Well, neither have it, but it sounds tricky to get it to stay looped around.) (Right, I just don't believe in superglue.) I had quite a challenge one year, finding a couple of those bismuth clusters, that had a convenient enclosed hole right through the cluster, so you could run a string through it to tie it to a hook. Pete -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > How about fluorite cleavage octahedrons, and setting up LW UV "black > lights" (the kind used at parties and dicso dances) to make them fluoresce? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 04:27 PM 12/23/2005, you wrote: > >I shared this one with my son, and he asked if anyone on the list has > >made decorations for their tree out of rocks or minerals. > > > >Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and > >are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. > > > >But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? > > > >Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Dec 26 03:37:37 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Dec 26 03:37:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations In-Reply-To: <20051226031422.F3DE2A102B@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: We could also reverse our thinking and set up a petrified tree and hang some real fruit and vegetables in it. ;-))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Margaret Malm Verzonden: maandag 26 december 2005 4:14 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations I guess this is maybe a bit off the edge of this discussion; but I, being an opal (Aussie-type) enthusiast & sometimes miner, find it great to decorate the tree with jewelry made using my opals. With some strings of lights to light up the sparkle ---!!You don't even have to worry about how to hang them! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:00 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations Did you ever try tying a string around a fluorite octahedron, Kitty? (Well, neither have it, but it sounds tricky to get it to stay looped around.) (Right, I just don't believe in superglue.) I had quite a challenge one year, finding a couple of those bismuth clusters, that had a convenient enclosed hole right through the cluster, so you could run a string through it to tie it to a hook. Pete -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > How about fluorite cleavage octahedrons, and setting up LW UV "black > lights" (the kind used at parties and dicso dances) to make them fluoresce? > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 04:27 PM 12/23/2005, you wrote: > >I shared this one with my son, and he asked if anyone on the list has > >made decorations for their tree out of rocks or minerals. > > > >Now we're looking around for some slender (quartz) crystals to hang, and > >are considering some small geodes and some sheets of mica. > > > >But I thought I should ask the list for other suggestions. Any ideas? > > > >Kreigh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jr50wv at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 06:26:25 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Mon Dec 26 06:26:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 56?...and what kind of microscope/computer interface? Message-ID: <20051226142625.46386.qmail@web34607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dave: I'm approaching 55 at lightspeed, tomorrow I turn 55, its funny, I feel every day of 65 in the morning getting up, but by lunchtime I'm only about 40... I suppose you live in the western part of Oregon, hence the Rainforest part of your nickname...I live in the middle Appalachian mountains, where it can be pretty humid in the summertime, in the woods, where there are trees and moss and ferns - sound familiar? One neighbor hasn't held a "job" in years, but makes his living building log cabins in the woods with t'other hippies, HARD work. Another was a gipsy roofer, but decided that work was too hard, so he built a sawmill to run now that he's too old for roofing. He hornswaggled an 81 year old retired sawyer to working with him to teach him how it's done, they've repointed giant saw blades, poured new babbit bearings in the old machines, Obi points and Joe grunts. Obi's about played out, nearly 90 now, but it was obvious he was glad to pass on the knowledge of running an old fashioned sawmill in the woods. Joe's built a 4 story 3500 sq ft house, and cut the trees, and sawed them up, and milled them into finished boards..there isn't a stick of wood in his house that isn't from his farm, except for the occasional fallen tree from a friend's place....the lazy bum! He keeps livestock too! I'm curious about your micro set up...I'd like one myself. Even using the 10x loupes and visors is sort of an introduction to the micro world of tiny crystals. One specimen I have is a tiny beryl, and the flat termination is covered with tiny parallel spines of tourmaline. It looks pretty good just with the naked eye, tiny crystals about 1-2 mm long and a tiny fraction of that wide, exp at the pointy end. It's snowing now, and the white topping on the green moss is really pretty. Please, email me a couple reduced definition snapshots of your micro efforts. And tell us more about this microscope! I'm going to be in Arizona Jan 26-Feb 1, and will be in Tucson itself Jan 30-Feb 1. If any list members will also be there, let me know a cell phone number or your motel reservations and we can get together for SouthWest dinner and beer while we talk about rocks, if you like. JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Mon Dec 26 07:35:12 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Mon Dec 26 07:35:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Copper Handbook (Seaman Museum, Col. Sch. Mines) Message-ID: <20051226113512.q7uj88jsa800kcoo@my1.dal.ca> Hi All, I am doing some research on a local copper mine. A friend of mine recently found an indication that their is some interesting information on it in an early 1900's annual guide called the Copper Handbook. I am not familiar with this guide and can't find a lot of info about it online but I do have volume and page numbers that are of specific interest. I have searched many Canadian libraries catalogs to see if they had a set, but without luck. I am hoping a list member could help. Does a list member have any old copies of the Copper Handbook that they could photocopy a few pages from for me? Alternatively, I believe that both the Seaman Museum in Michigan and the Colorado School of Mines have complete sets. If a list member is involved at either of these places they might have access. If you can help, please contact me off list. Of course I would cover any costs, or could send a mineral specimen, in exchange for your help. Thanks, Ronnie Van Dommelen From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Mon Dec 26 05:50:20 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Mon Dec 26 08:48:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <43AED4D6.3090706@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <43AFF51C.F361EB86@gmx.de> Excuse me, John, it is Bolivia, not Peru. J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany jabac schrieb: > > > Why not? Lake Titicaca has its own navy -- two of them. > And there are Admirals in the Peruvian navy. From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Dec 26 10:06:11 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Dec 26 10:06:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: North Carolina...sonic booms? Message-ID: <122620051806.23416.43B031120009BD5900005B78216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Good to see that you all got this straightened out! I rather thought that Peru had quite a bit of real coastline. (Also a lot of quartz, pyrite, fluorite, and all those good things!) (Many of the ore deposits and their minerals from Peru, are quite similar to those of the Sweet Home Mine here in colorado.) cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from Juergen Wachsmuth : -------------- > Excuse me, John, it is Bolivia, not Peru. > > Jürgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > jabac schrieb: > > > > > > Why not? Lake Titicaca has its own navy -- two of them. > > And there are Admirals in the Peruvian navy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Dec 26 10:33:46 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Dec 26 10:33:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 56?...and what kind of microscope/computer interface? In-Reply-To: <20051226142625.46386.qmail@web34607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I'm approaching 55 at lightspeed So those sonic booms are finally explained? Happy birthday Axel From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Dec 26 19:26:20 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Dec 26 19:26:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old fossils Message-ID: One of you is 52, another 55, now I've just turned 58 and Santa brought me a Garmin GPSMAP 76CS! Jeanettte and I took it outside in our neighborhood and played one of the easy learning games. This led us into several friends yards. Obviously its time for a field trip. Those of us in this boomer age group are just hitting our prime. We've had our chance in the corporate world, and can now do some of the things jobs and raising our children have kept us too busy to enjoy. Those of the next older generation seem anxious to pass on their knowledge of rocks, minerals and fossils to us, and we then can passs it on to the X, Y, and Z generation kids. It is great to read what ya'll share on this list! I hope your Christmas was as good as ours! Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Search, shop, and browse smarter using tabs with the MSN Search Toolbar-FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From johnjold at comcast.net Mon Dec 26 20:11:26 2005 From: johnjold at comcast.net (John Joldersma) Date: Mon Dec 26 20:11:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations Message-ID: I cut a lot of Christmas ornaments out of Petoskey Stone for the tourist trade in Michigan. I don't really understand it since they seem a little dark to be an ornament to me but I know how many I have to cut each year and how I spend most of the summer in the basement cutting Christmas ornaments to keep up with demand. My two best outlets are Christmas in the Country in Petoskey and Michigania in downtown Lansing. They each sell a couple hundred a year. I have Betty Dinger "Old Lady got Rocks" in Clam River to thank for the idea. She used to buy them from Archie's Rock Shop in Mason. Archie had bypass surgery and could not supply her anymore. She asked me for several shapes. I had resisted doing them since it was Archie's thing and I really didn't think it would work. After selling the first 500 in 2 days on my Spring trip I reconsidered my reservations. Christmas items are salable 364 days a year. Some of you may have heard of Bronner's in Frankenmuth. They have a store of Chrismas items only that was huge the last time I saw it and has been doubled in size since then. They also have a life size model of the Silent Night Chapel on their grounds. It is the second biggest tourist draw in Mi after Cabella's in Dundee. Since I now know where the Christmas shops are and how many of them there are I am well aware of how many people rely on the holiday for a living. I'm sure the little Devonian critters would be amazed by it all. John J From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Dec 26 20:21:48 2005 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Dec 26 20:21:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reply / 56?...and what kind of microscope/computer interface? References: <20051226142625.46386.qmail@web34607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c60a9d$0edb3cb0$179cb2d1@TheBlackAdder> Hi JR, I just turned 67 and most of the time feel like 45, but I used to bicycle 100 miles in a day when I was 45, and would be lucky to go 15 now. I just wanted to say that the story you told (see below) of old "Obi" teaching the younger fellow how to set up and maintain the old sawmill really touched me, and I forwarded it to a friend in Australia who's a retired geologist turned sheep rancher. He's forever the pessimist about "shiftless young people who don't know what a hard day's work is....." And, that the old trades and skills are dying out. Maybe, but it's always good to hear about the exceptions, and I want to thank you for that. Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, Southern California PS, I wish more people on the Rockhounds list would indicate their geographic location for us newbies who don't know them yet. EK ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] 56?...and what kind of microscope/computer interface? Hi Dave: I'm approaching 55 at lightspeed, tomorrow I turn 55, its funny, I feel every day of 65 in the morning getting up, but by lunchtime I'm only about 40... I suppose you live in the western part of Oregon, hence the Rainforest part of your nickname...I live in the middle Appalachian mountains, where it can be pretty humid in the summertime, in the woods, where there are trees and moss and ferns - sound familiar? One neighbor hasn't held a "job" in years, but makes his living building log cabins in the woods with t'other hippies, HARD work. Another was a gipsy roofer, but decided that work was too hard, so he built a sawmill to run now that he's too old for roofing. He hornswaggled an 81 year old retired sawyer to working with him to teach him how it's done, they've repointed giant saw blades, poured new babbit bearings in the old machines, Obi points and Joe grunts. Obi's about played out, nearly 90 now, but it was obvious he was glad to pass on the knowledge of running an old fashioned sawmill in the woods. Joe's built a 4 story 3500 sq ft house, and cut the trees, and sawed them up, and milled them into finished boards..there isn't a stick of wood in his house that isn't from his farm, except for the occasional fallen tree from a friend's place....the lazy bum! He keeps livestock too! I'm curious about your micro set up...I'd like one myself. Even using the 10x loupes and visors is sort of an introduction to the micro world of tiny crystals. One specimen I have is a tiny beryl, and the flat termination is covered with tiny parallel spines of tourmaline. It looks pretty good just with the naked eye, tiny crystals about 1-2 mm long and a tiny fraction of that wide, exp at the pointy end. It's snowing now, and the white topping on the green moss is really pretty. Please, email me a couple reduced definition snapshots of your micro efforts. And tell us more about this microscope! I'm going to be in Arizona Jan 26-Feb 1, and will be in Tucson itself Jan 30-Feb 1. If any list members will also be there, let me know a cell phone number or your motel reservations and we can get together for SouthWest dinner and beer while we talk about rocks, if you like. JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jennifer at sunriseinstitute.org Tue Dec 27 07:57:35 2005 From: jennifer at sunriseinstitute.org (jennifer isham) Date: Tue Dec 27 07:57:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old fossils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Glenn - Your posting is much appreciated. I'll be 55 next month and am just starting to consider a shift in careers that will incorporate more of what I'm learning about rocks and stones into the work I'm doing professionally. I believe we need to pass along our wisdom and that we need to allow ourselves to open to the wisdom that is here for us as we move into our "wisdom years". My fear is that segments of our generation have radically contributed to the "semi-demise" of nature-based learning and living and that it is up to those of us living in appreciation, awareness and understanding of our natural connection with nature to open the doors and reinvite ourselves and others into this important way of being connected to the earth, and to return our lives to ones of more natural balance. This has been a challenging task for me as I have shunned this very way of being for most of my life, not because I didn't believe in it but moreso because it was connected to a part of my life that was more painful than pleasureable but that has reappeared in my life of late in ways I could no longer ignore. Reconnecting with nature and the parts of me that were present early in my life are becoming the focus of this part of my personal and professional life. The challenge for me is to be able to stay centered in it, continue to allow my truer self to emerge, and live from this center rather than from places that surround it. Just a bit of a different take on being in the stage of life where we've paid our dues to the "world of the Jones'" I thought I'd share. Thanks again for your posting, and for helping me to remember that being 55 is nothing more than another natural place in our lives in which we can explore and reinvent ourselves....one more stepping stone along the path of life ..... kind regards, jennifer -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:26 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Old fossils One of you is 52, another 55, now I've just turned 58 and Santa brought me a Garmin GPSMAP 76CS! Jeanettte and I took it outside in our neighborhood and played one of the easy learning games. This led us into several friends yards. Obviously its time for a field trip. Those of us in this boomer age group are just hitting our prime. We've had our chance in the corporate world, and can now do some of the things jobs and raising our children have kept us too busy to enjoy. Those of the next older generation seem anxious to pass on their knowledge of rocks, minerals and fossils to us, and we then can passs it on to the X, Y, and Z generation kids. It is great to read what ya'll share on this list! I hope your Christmas was as good as ours! Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Search, shop, and browse smarter using tabs with the MSN Search Toolbar-FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:59:30 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Tue Dec 27 11:59:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale In-Reply-To: <200512270202.jBR22UZ2016098@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Field trip report: The good, the bad and the harrowing! Target: Gypsum-selenite crystals at Danby Dry Lake(CA), Orthoclase xls at Goodsprings(NV), and selenite at Glendale (NV). Christmas break seemed like the perfect time to go dry lake surfing, so I loaded up the car with essentials(beer and a pick) and on Friday December 23 headed out for a couple dry lakes near the AZ/CA border before heading to Vegas more collecting. A few years ago a friend tantalized me with glassy clear selenite crystals from Danby dry Lake and a recent visit to the San Bernardino Co Museum further teased with a monster 2 foot cluster of these clear xls. I decided to finally brave the road down to Danby in my Saturn SW2 (station wagon). Not seeing the traditional idiot warning of skull and crossbones on this road south of Cadiz, I prepared for 70 miles of possibly paved, unmaintained roads after leaving the old Route 66. For those of you who enjoy the nostalgic Route 66, the section of this old highway leaving the US 40 at Ludlow and down to Amboy is visually appealing, complete with the roadway artifacts of 40s-50s filling stations and long abandoned roadside diners and now ghost localities, with signs creaking in the wind, sagebrush rolling by. That Friday morning, I navigated the unmaintained road without seeing a single car for 40 miles. Now, I had left Barstow with 4/5ths a tank of gas, imagining that Cadiz was big enough on the map to have a filling station before venturing down into no-woman?s land of Danby. With something close to 100 miles before hitting the 95 North to Vegas, I eyed the fuel indicator somewhat nervously as I passed the turnoff to Kelbaker Road which would take me north to US 40 and gas stations. I had enough at this point to do 150 gentle miles. As it turns out, a lighter tank was probably a blessing in the turf ahead. The old Route 66 takes you to Amboy Crater, a small 250 foot cinder cone in the middle of no-where, Mojave desert. From there, Cadiz road forks southeast past Bristol, Cadiz and Danby dry lakes. Now on my California Road Atlas, there are no handy markers other than the dotted line that tell you this is a casually maintained dirt road. The road, which is unmarked for most of the 100 miles or so, allows a passenger vehicle to do abou 40 mph for much of it. However, after Cadiz, the locality whose actually location remains a mystery to me still, the road gets equally mysterious. Questionable in someplaces. After the RR tracks, the road forks east with long passages of fist sized sharp volcanics that will tax you at 10 mph. I reiterate?I would NEVER do this road again in a passenger vehicle. I saw a few mines that bear exploring at some point in the future. Around 35 miles after Cadiz, there was a mined outcrop at a contact point between the overlaying basalt and a diorite (?) and limestone turned to marble. It wasn?t clear precisely whether this was mined or a prospect. From this point on, we entered into the land of sandtraps. First, let me tell you before you assume the author should be labeled ?special ed?. I assumed that the first sand trap would be the first, and if I?d known this would be the first of many, I?d have turned back. Anyone whose driven off road knows ?never STOP in the sand. However, some of these sandtraps are 20-50 feet long and cover the road, so there is no going up and around. The trick is to get a running start and hit them at 30-40 mph. With front wheel drive, you have the advantage, especially if your weight is in the front and center of the car. However, what I didn?t know until AFTER the first one, is that underneath the sand, at the lip of the sandtraps is deeply rutted HARDPAN from previous drivers taking this when it was muddy, meaning you hit that edge at Mach, and its like plowing headfirst into a curb and your tail bottoms out. A little tense now, and gritting my teeth (yes, yes, I know?I need a 4WD), I plowed on past the little mining outpost of Chubbock and examined the copious calcite and marble laying around. The wind had kicked up and was blowing something fierce, but the sky was clear and blue, and the temperature was working its way up there to the high 70s. My directions told me to go to milligan, an old RR siding, and take the road down to the Danby lake. However, the sign was clear and not faded?PRIVATE PROPERTY NO TRESPASSING. Go figure. There was a ?settlement? kitty corner to the turn off. I went to ask permission. This is a typical desert locality with the usual collection of ?antiques?, rusted out vehicles from another time, including an ore loader, broken windmill, and indeterminant Large Industrial Machines. There were the requisite cluster of trailers with recently plated vehicles, however, no one appeared present and no one answered my hails. Not knowing if this was a mining camp or a meth-lab, I half expected a dog with big teeth which never materialized. Loath to be a pest or get ventilated, I decided to find another back route to the dry lake. I went back north a mile or so near the old tankers rusting out on the railroad, found a remnant road and then drove down thru a hardpack wash to what was the old salt evaporator ponds. This road, built up on a levee goes out part way and then you?ve got to walk. After about 2 hours of walking about a mile and a half south along the dry lake margin and doing test pits in everything I could get my pick into, I found a few relict crystals about 12 inches down in the fine silt, but nothing glassy, nothing clear and nothing I was hoping for. The hummocks I was instructed to find must have been much further south of that private turnoff. The other odd thing about this remote place was no apparent wildlife. No birds, no scurrying rodents, no kangaroo rats, no insects except one anemic fly and I didn?t have the heart to swat at his feeble attempts to land on me. And a few ants. Well, this part of the trip was a bust. It was two pm. I was hot as the temp on the lake seemed in the low 80s and headed back for the car, pick dragging on the crunchy dry surface behind me. I had to make a decision at this point?go back the way I came (dread) or head toward CA 62 to the 95 and hope the road just got better. I decided to follow the road to the 62. Sigh. There is a pretty big difference between the sandy grus (groos?) from the granite found on some desert roads, and the flour like silt from these lake beds that blows onto the roads. When you step in this powder, it sends up a cloud of fine particulate dust. When you drive in it, now matter how buttoned up the car, you will have a thick layer of silt on everything in the car, including your Sunday-go-to-meetin?-clothes hanging in the back seat. Not long after leaving Milligan (if its not a town, do you still have to capitalize it?), I came upon one of the biggest challenges of the trip. On the downslope of the shallow rise, I skidded to a halt in front of a 50-60 foot long wash with 12-18 inches of this fine powder with deep ruts running thru it from previous visitors. There was no way up around the road because the surrounding surface was punch-thru crust?you?d punch thru the thin crust about 6-12 inches, judging by the person who?d tried it before me?with large rocks and bushes littering the way. Go back the way I came or try it? The problem with this one was that I needed 40 mph to make it thru this and needed a long running start, but there was a sharp curve 20 feet before the silt bed to avoid another pit on part of the road meaning I had to time the curve just right before entering the silt pit. I plotted the course and felt no relief as I successfully navigated this mess. What lie ahead, I asked myself, wondering if the spare was still pumped up, wishing I had a cell phone and how far was the hike to the 62 . After that, the trip was uneventful, if long. With less than a quarter tank left, I gassed up at the one gas station-locality of Vidal Junction. It was 202 miles to Vegas from Milligan, thru the winding and mostly 2 lane US 95 north (California side). Goodsprings, Nevada, Feldspar Crystals The next day?s trip to Goodsprings, about 30 miles southwest of Vegas was uneventful, with glorious weather. Take the 15 south to the Goodsprings/Jean exit. Go west on the dirt road opposite the Goodsprings Truck bypass. Follow the road taking the left forks until you curve around the first major ridge and then head north up the canyon. Laying in the washes of the west-facing slopes are 1- 1.5 cm Orthoclase feldspar crystals that have eroded out of a weathering medium to light colored red lavas. These are most plentiful up the canyon (Crystal Pass) directly under what may have been some kind of iron ore prospect some 200 feet above that is very visible from the rocky 4WD road. I found most of the crystals in the finer sorted gravels closest to the base of the slope. There are several mines up on the slopes here that warrant more exploration, with some interesting micro minerals that appear to be hydrozincite, mimetite (?) and other smaller spherical minerals that may be calcite, but I am not sure. On the very recent road cut going up over the pass are some interesting green mineralization, a drusy crust and a green (prase?) looking chalcedony with transparent edges. Some looks like excellent cutting material. Again, I?ve not examined these finds closely yet, so don?t have a positive ID. Day three?Glendale, Nevada?selenite crystals. Lucustrine sediments right off the I-15 at the Glendale exit, some 40 miles north of Vegas are abundant with selenite crystals. These crystals resemble the Camp Verde selenite slightly, but are a bit more ?ate up?, more brittle, and more transparent. Gypsum roses are possible here as well as small, 2-4? crystal clusters that look like poor cousins to the beautiful Canadian spillway clusters, but collectible none-the-less. My 14-year-old cousin Lauren, juicy couture bag in tow, who has never been out collecting before was quietly engrossed for 3 hours extracting crystals before she even looked up. This techno-kid whose cell phone is questionably the most important thing in her life, let it ring and never seemed to give her cell a thought for the day. For kids, this is the best kind of collecting?you get immediate rewards for your efforts, and there is so much material that it doesn?t matter that you mangled the first 10 learning how to trim it out of the cracked old mud. Directions: Follow the underpass under the 15 to the south side of the highway and take the first little dirt road to your right for several hundred feet. You can park here and walk in, or with 4WD, navigate that ditch and drive in. Go thru the pass between the old volcanic hillside on your left and the white pyramid mound on your right. If you park by the RR debris and walk in you will be tempted, as we were, to waste time trying to collect on that long ridge parallel to the highway before you get to the canyon opening, noting all the crystal debris as you walk in. Don?t bother. The real stuff is evident where all the rockhounds have been digging around the bend. Even 50 feet down from these diggings near the handy furniture/old tire dumping station, the material isn?t worth saving. Don?t trim the mud on location?pack it away with the mud on it. When you get home, place it in room temperature distilled water and the mud just bubbles and falls away (no kidding!). The mud between the crystal ?leaves? will protect it for travel although you still need to wrap carefully in newspaper to protect the paper thing crystal edges. Detailed cleaning can be managed with toothpicks. Don?t soak the crystals too long. Collecting tools needed?screwdrivers and long pokey tools. Note: In the "pyramid mound" there was a 20 foot deep cave, with a shallow entrance, with a central column supporting the roof that looked promising, however, after 5 years of desert collecting, I found my first scorpion in this pit and this little 2 incher was very gregarious. Proceed w/ caution or just stay outside?plenty on the walls outside to occupy yourself! There you have it, the good, the bad and the harrowing! This was a fun trip with interesting goodies and all kinds of new things I?ve learned about my car. PS?if you know anyone who wants to buy a used Saturn stationwagon, let me know ;) Buon Viaggio to those who follow, Tina T aka tangojuli@yahoo.com (the usual disclaimer: travel carefully and I?m not responsible if you do like I do and not like I say!) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Tue Dec 27 12:28:59 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Tue Dec 27 12:29:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale In-Reply-To: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43B1A40B.9090202@att.net> tango juli wrote: > Field trip report: The good, the bad and the harrowing! Wow. Great report. Thank you. From tangojuli at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 12:42:14 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Tue Dec 27 12:42:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures In-Reply-To: <200512240204.jBO24E3G017732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051227204214.26885.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> WTRDMF, I am LOL With tears running down my face, I am laughing out loud at this, Jay! If Kreigh is right, you all should take more vacation! Friday's postings were a hoot! thanks guys for a great laugh, PS--Prestdigi.....heck, is that really a word? tina Message: 15 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:54:39 -0600 From: jabac Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <43AC39DF.50209@hal-pc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It being one of the times of the year when rumination and flights of fancy are in order, especially for the little children in all of us, I thought about another "What if..." and came up with this; Suppose we were to compose a public lecture and advertise its title as a clue to content? Maybe something like: "Prestidigitation and the Geological Record. Explaining Rocks and Fossils to the General Public as a PIO of the USGS." (RSVP for GAO ACC MTD 403. NSN # 5930-030-000-894x) by Pete Modreski "Mauna Loa: Looking Down and Looking up. Duality In The Mount of Earthly Change and The Mount of Heavenly Bliss. The Personal Experiences of Bill and Kitty Heacox." by Kitty&Bill "How to Turn Fishes Into Rocks, And Vice Versa, A Not Too Miraculous Combination of Life Events." by Tim Fisher "If It Aint In Arkansas, It Aint." by Henry Barwood "Tracing Idaho. How To Distinguish The Northwest From The Rest of America." by Lanny Ream "Database Mining. Mas/Mils and Me." by Gary Brown "Mistaken Identity. How van Loewenhook Set Back Micromounting by Centuries by looking at Pond Water Instead of Rocks." by Jim Daly "All I Said Was Good Morning And That Started An Uproar. The Varieties of Solutes in Local Waters." by Micheal Schmidt "Lunarescence. The X File On Rocks from Unconventional Places." Followed by the short encore, "If It Don't Glow, It Aint." by Axel Emmermann Et Al. john ------------------------- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Dec 27 12:48:51 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Dec 27 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale References: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c60b26$f1e94fe0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Tina, Just be glad you didn't get stuck. Some of my friends in my club took this road this summer in central Nevada that seemed like a first class road according to their Gazeteer. Unfortunately it was an older Gazeteer they kept, since they had marked it with various collecting sites they had previously found. You guessed it. They ran into sand and couldn't turn around after they had gone down a hill. They had a two wheel van, all fitted out for camping but no four wheel drive. They spent three days, jacking the van up with a scissors jack, placing the rocks they had collected under the wheels then moving forward five feet and repeating the process. Luckily they had plenty of water, food and gas or we may still be wondering what happened to them. They now have a new van on order with four wheel drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale > Field trip report: The good, the bad and the harrowing! > Target: Gypsum-selenite crystals at Danby Dry Lake(CA), Orthoclase xls at Goodsprings(NV), and selenite at Glendale (NV). > Christmas break seemed like the perfect time to go dry lake surfing, so I loaded up the car with essentials(beer and a pick) and on Friday December 23 headed out for a couple dry lakes near the AZ/CA border before heading to Vegas more collecting. > A few years ago a friend tantalized me with glassy clear selenite crystals from Danby dry Lake and a recent visit to the San Bernardino Co Museum further teased with a monster 2 foot cluster of these clear xls. I decided to finally brave the road down to Danby in my Saturn SW2 (station wagon). Not seeing the traditional idiot warning of skull and crossbones on this road south of Cadiz, I prepared for 70 miles of possibly paved, unmaintained roads after leaving the old Route 66. > For those of you who enjoy the nostalgic Route 66, the section of this old highway leaving the US 40 at Ludlow and down to Amboy is visually appealing, complete with the roadway artifacts of 40s-50s filling stations and long abandoned roadside diners and now ghost localities, with signs creaking in the wind, sagebrush rolling by. That Friday morning, I navigated the unmaintained road without seeing a single car for 40 miles. Now, I had left Barstow with 4/5ths a tank of gas, imagining that Cadiz was big enough on the map to have a filling station before venturing down into no-woman's land of Danby. With something close to 100 miles before hitting the 95 North to Vegas, I eyed the fuel indicator somewhat nervously as I passed the turnoff to Kelbaker Road which would take me north to US 40 and gas stations. I had enough at this point to do 150 gentle miles. As it turns out, a lighter tank was probably a blessing in the turf ahead. > The old Route 66 takes you to Amboy Crater, a small 250 foot cinder cone in the middle of no-where, Mojave desert. From there, Cadiz road forks southeast past Bristol, Cadiz and Danby dry lakes. Now on my California Road Atlas, there are no handy markers other than the dotted line that tell you this is a casually maintained dirt road. The road, which is unmarked for most of the 100 miles or so, allows a passenger vehicle to do abou 40 mph for much of it. However, after Cadiz, the locality whose actually location remains a mystery to me still, the road gets equally mysterious. Questionable in someplaces. After the RR tracks, the road forks east with long passages of fist sized sharp volcanics that will tax you at 10 mph. I reiterate-I would NEVER do this road again in a passenger vehicle. I saw a few mines that bear exploring at some point in the future. Around 35 miles after Cadiz, there was a mined outcrop at a contact point between the overlaying ba! > salt and > a diorite (?) and limestone turned to marble. It wasn't clear precisely whether this was mined or a prospect. > From this point on, we entered into the land of sandtraps. First, let me tell you before you assume the author should be labeled "special ed". I assumed that the first sand trap would be the first, and if I'd known this would be the first of many, I'd have turned back. > Anyone whose driven off road knows -never STOP in the sand. However, some of these sandtraps are 20-50 feet long and cover the road, so there is no going up and around. The trick is to get a running start and hit them at 30-40 mph. With front wheel drive, you have the advantage, especially if your weight is in the front and center of the car. However, what I didn't know until AFTER the first one, is that underneath the sand, at the lip of the sandtraps is deeply rutted HARDPAN from previous drivers taking this when it was muddy, meaning you hit that edge at Mach, and its like plowing headfirst into a curb and your tail bottoms out. > A little tense now, and gritting my teeth (yes, yes, I know-I need a 4WD), I plowed on past the little mining outpost of Chubbock and examined the copious calcite and marble laying around. The wind had kicked up and was blowing something fierce, but the sky was clear and blue, and the temperature was working its way up there to the high 70s. > My directions told me to go to milligan, an old RR siding, and take the road down to the Danby lake. However, the sign was clear and not faded-PRIVATE PROPERTY NO TRESPASSING. Go figure. There was a "settlement" kitty corner to the turn off. I went to ask permission. This is a typical desert locality with the usual collection of "antiques", rusted out vehicles from another time, including an ore loader, broken windmill, and indeterminant Large Industrial Machines. There were the requisite cluster of trailers with recently plated vehicles, however, no one appeared present and no one answered my hails. Not knowing if this was a mining camp or a meth-lab, I half expected a dog with big teeth which never materialized. Loath to be a pest or get ventilated, I decided to find another back route to the dry lake. > I went back north a mile or so near the old tankers rusting out on the railroad, found a remnant road and then drove down thru a hardpack wash to what was the old salt evaporator ponds. This road, built up on a levee goes out part way and then you've got to walk. After about 2 hours of walking about a mile and a half south along the dry lake margin and doing test pits in everything I could get my pick into, I found a few relict crystals about 12 inches down in the fine silt, but nothing glassy, nothing clear and nothing I was hoping for. The hummocks I was instructed to find must have been much further south of that private turnoff. > The other odd thing about this remote place was no apparent wildlife. No birds, no scurrying rodents, no kangaroo rats, no insects except one anemic fly and I didn't have the heart to swat at his feeble attempts to land on me. And a few ants. > Well, this part of the trip was a bust. > It was two pm. I was hot as the temp on the lake seemed in the low 80s and headed back for the car, pick dragging on the crunchy dry surface behind me. I had to make a decision at this point-go back the way I came (dread) or head toward CA 62 to the 95 and hope the road just got better. I decided to follow the road to the 62. Sigh. > There is a pretty big difference between the sandy grus (groos?) from the granite found on some desert roads, and the flour like silt from these lake beds that blows onto the roads. When you step in this powder, it sends up a cloud of fine particulate dust. When you drive in it, now matter how buttoned up the car, you will have a thick layer of silt on everything in the car, including your Sunday-go-to-meetin'-clothes hanging in the back seat. > Not long after leaving Milligan (if its not a town, do you still have to capitalize it?), I came upon one of the biggest challenges of the trip. On the downslope of the shallow rise, I skidded to a halt in front of a 50-60 foot long wash with 12-18 inches of this fine powder with deep ruts running thru it from previous visitors. There was no way up around the road because the surrounding surface was punch-thru crust-you'd punch thru the thin crust about 6-12 inches, judging by the person who'd tried it before me-with large rocks and bushes littering the way. > > Go back the way I came or try it? The problem with this one was that I needed 40 mph to make it thru this and needed a long running start, but there was a sharp curve 20 feet before the silt bed to avoid another pit on part of the road meaning I had to time the curve just right before entering the silt pit. > I plotted the course and felt no relief as I successfully navigated this mess. What lie ahead, I asked myself, wondering if the spare was still pumped up, wishing I had a cell phone and how far was the hike to the 62.. > > After that, the trip was uneventful, if long. With less than a quarter tank left, I gassed up at the one gas station-locality of Vidal Junction. It was 202 miles to Vegas from Milligan, thru the winding and mostly 2 lane US 95 north (California side). > > Goodsprings, Nevada, Feldspar Crystals > The next day's trip to Goodsprings, about 30 miles southwest of Vegas was uneventful, with glorious weather. Take the 15 south to the Goodsprings/Jean exit. Go west on the dirt road opposite the Goodsprings Truck bypass. Follow the road taking the left forks until you curve around the first major ridge and then head north up the canyon. Laying in the washes of the west-facing slopes are 1- 1.5 cm Orthoclase feldspar crystals that have eroded out of a weathering medium to light colored red lavas. These are most plentiful up the canyon (Crystal Pass) directly under what may have been some kind of iron ore prospect some 200 feet above that is very visible from the rocky 4WD road. I found most of the crystals in the finer sorted gravels closest to the base of the slope. There are several mines up on the slopes here that warrant more exploration, with some interesting micro minerals that appear to be hydrozincite, mimetite (?) and other smaller spherical miner! > als that > may be calcite, but I am not sure. On the very recent road cut going up over the pass are some interesting green mineralization, a drusy crust and a green (prase?) looking chalcedony with transparent edges. Some looks like excellent cutting material. Again, I've not examined these finds closely yet, so don't have a positive ID. > Day three-Glendale, Nevada-selenite crystals. > Lucustrine sediments right off the I-15 at the Glendale exit, some 40 miles north of Vegas are abundant with selenite crystals. These crystals resemble the Camp Verde selenite slightly, but are a bit more "ate up", more brittle, and more transparent. Gypsum roses are possible here as well as small, 2-4" crystal clusters that look like poor cousins to the beautiful Canadian spillway clusters, but collectible none-the-less. My 14-year-old cousin Lauren, juicy couture bag in tow, who has never been out collecting before was quietly engrossed for 3 hours extracting crystals before she even looked up. This techno-kid whose cell phone is questionably the most important thing in her life, let it ring and never seemed to give her cell a thought for the day. For kids, this is the best kind of collecting-you get immediate rewards for your efforts, and there is so much material that it doesn't matter that you mangled the first 10 learning how to trim it out of the cra! > cked old > mud. > Directions: Follow the underpass under the 15 to the south side of the highway and take the first little dirt road to your right for several hundred feet. You can park here and walk in, or with 4WD, navigate that ditch and drive in. > Go thru the pass between the old volcanic hillside on your left and the white pyramid mound on your right. If you park by the RR debris and walk in you will be tempted, as we were, to waste time trying to collect on that long ridge parallel to the highway before you get to the canyon opening, noting all the crystal debris as you walk in. Don't bother. The real stuff is evident where all the rockhounds have been digging around the bend. Even 50 feet down from these diggings near the handy furniture/old tire dumping station, the material isn't worth saving. Don't trim the mud on location-pack it away with the mud on it. When you get home, place it in room temperature distilled water and the mud just bubbles and falls away (no kidding!). The mud between the crystal "leaves" will protect it for travel although you still need to wrap carefully in newspaper to protect the paper thing crystal edges. Detailed cleaning can be managed with toothpicks. Don't soak the ! > crystals > too long. Collecting tools needed-screwdrivers and long pokey tools. > Note: In the "pyramid mound" there was a 20 foot deep cave, with a shallow entrance, with a central column supporting the roof that looked promising, however, after 5 years of desert collecting, I found my first scorpion in this pit and this little 2 incher was very gregarious. Proceed w/ caution or just stay outside-plenty on the walls outside to occupy yourself! > There you have it, the good, the bad and the harrowing! This was a fun trip with interesting goodies and all kinds of new things I've learned about my car. > PS-if you know anyone who wants to buy a used Saturn stationwagon, let me know ;) > Buon Viaggio to those who follow, > Tina T > aka tangojuli@yahoo.com > (the usual disclaimer: travel carefully and I'm not responsible if you do like I do and not like I say!) > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Dec 27 13:46:15 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Dec 27 13:44:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures References: <20051227204214.26885.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c60b2e$f73fea00$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Tina, aka Tango, Since you are into backcountry travel, here is another cautionary tale for you. Although I doubt you will ever have the exact same problem as this poor fellow. http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18595&page=1&pp=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures > > WTRDMF, I am LOL > With tears running down my face, I am laughing out loud at this, Jay! > If Kreigh is right, you all should take more vacation! Friday's postings were a hoot! > thanks guys for a great laugh, > PS--Prestdigi.....heck, is that really a word? > tina > > > > ------------------------- > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From albalmer at att.net Tue Dec 27 13:45:25 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Tue Dec 27 13:45:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale In-Reply-To: <000d01c60b26$f1e94fe0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> References: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c60b26$f1e94fe0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <43B1B5F5.4080408@att.net> jaybates wrote: > Tina, Just be glad you didn't get stuck. Some of my friends in my club took > this road this summer in central Nevada that seemed like a first class road > according to their Gazeteer. Unfortunately it was an older Gazeteer they > kept, since they had marked it with various collecting sites they had > previously found. You guessed it. They ran into sand and couldn't turn > around after they had gone down a hill. They had a two wheel van, all fitted > out for camping but no four wheel drive. They spent three days, jacking the > van up with a scissors jack, placing the rocks they had collected under the > wheels then moving forward five feet and repeating the process. That's a dangerous way to do it - there's a big chance of burying or throwing the rocks where you can't find them again ;-) Confession: I got stuck on my very first desert trip. Drove a Nissan van over a road that looked good, but turned out to have some very soft sand in spots. Fortunately, the paved road was only about a half-mile, and I hitchhiked to a little town that had a tow truck. > Luckily they > had plenty of water, food and gas or we may still be wondering what happened > to them. They now have a new van on order with four wheel drive. From kahako at verizon.net Tue Dec 27 14:01:50 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Dec 27 14:01:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale In-Reply-To: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200512270202.jBR22UZ2016098@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051227112034.03624c10@incoming.verizon.net> Great report, Tina, The flour-like silt getting into your closed car reminds me of the the Mount St. Helens eruption in 1980: there were some cars that were ruined when dust it produced penetrated into all the inner workings of their engine compartments. We recall that several years later while driving across the Columbia River at Vantage (Washington) we could see white lines along the cliffs where Mount St. Helens dust that had been deposited there---from about 150 kilometers away---was still clearly visible, imbedded on ledges and in the cracks of the columnar basalt. Aloha, Kitty At 09:59 AM 12/27/2005, tangojuli wrote: There is a pretty big difference between the sandy grus (groos?) from the granite found on some desert roads, and the flour like silt from these lake beds that blows onto the roads. When you step in this powder, it sends up a cloud of fine particulate dust. When you drive in it, now matter how buttoned up the car, you will have a thick layer of silt on everything in the car, From albalmer at att.net Tue Dec 27 14:05:40 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Tue Dec 27 14:05:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures In-Reply-To: <000701c60b2e$f73fea00$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> References: <20051227204214.26885.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c60b2e$f73fea00$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <43B1BAB4.7060308@att.net> jaybates wrote: > Tina, aka Tango, > Since you are into backcountry travel, here is another cautionary tale for > you. Although I doubt you will ever have the exact same problem as this poor > fellow. > http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18595&page=1&pp=20 > ----- Original Message ----- Please don't post things like this without warning! There were people within earshot, and they've been looking at me funny for the last five minutes. From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Dec 27 14:19:45 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Dec 27 14:17:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures References: <20051227204214.26885.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com><000701c60b2e$f73fea00$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> <43B1BAB4.7060308@att.net> Message-ID: <000501c60b33$a4f9a6a0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Serves you right reading the Rockhound_drizzle.com at work. Actually if you do happen to read through the entire thing you will find a good solution for removing Opticon or cryogenic glues from fingers, etc. I am forever gluing my fingers together when I use these Super glues on my spheres and other lapidary and silversmithing projects. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Balmer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] [Quasi]Professional Lectures > jaybates wrote: > > Tina, aka Tango, > > Since you are into backcountry travel, here is another cautionary tale for > > you. Although I doubt you will ever have the exact same problem as this poor > > fellow. > > http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18595&page=1&pp=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Please don't post things like this without warning! There were people > within earshot, and they've been looking at me funny for the last five > minutes. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From folmstead at rcn.com Tue Dec 27 14:57:03 2005 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Tue Dec 27 14:59:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] copper mine... In-Reply-To: <20051226113512.q7uj88jsa800kcoo@my1.dal.ca> References: <20051226113512.q7uj88jsa800kcoo@my1.dal.ca> Message-ID: <43B1C6BF.10207@rcn.com> HI WHAT IS / WHERE IS THE COPPER MINE TO WHICH YOU REFER?? GlmO __..--..__ Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: >Hi All, > >I am doing some research on a local copper mine. A friend of mine recently >found an indication that their is some interesting information on it in an >early 1900's annual guide called the Copper Handbook. I am not familiar with >this guide and can't find a lot of info about it online but I do have volume >and page numbers that are of specific interest. I have searched many Canadian >libraries catalogs to see if they had a set, but without luck. I am hoping a >list member could help. > >Does a list member have any old copies of the Copper Handbook that they could >photocopy a few pages from for me? Alternatively, I believe that both the >Seaman Museum in Michigan and the Colorado School of Mines have complete sets. >If a list member is involved at either of these places they might have access. > >If you can help, please contact me off list. Of course I would cover any costs, >or could send a mineral specimen, in exchange for your help. > >Thanks, >Ronnie Van Dommelen >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Dec 27 15:30:22 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Dec 27 15:30:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: List member geographical locations In-Reply-To: <001b01c60a9d$0edb3cb0$179cb2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: We are in L.A. (Lower Alabama) near Mobile. Glenn & Jeanette ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From buff1 at ptd.net Tue Dec 27 15:39:05 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Tue Dec 27 15:39:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: sonic booms and other things that go boom in the night.... In-Reply-To: <002301c60992$0917aea0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <43AED4D6.3090706@hal-pc.org> <002301c60992$0917aea0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <43B1D099.5060709@ptd.net> I'm sorry but I really feel the need to be ignorant, or perhaps I just missed something along the way.... but any seismic activity ( geyser, fault, basement rocks, etc ) would be recorded on a seismograph somewhere wouldnt it?? I mean with some level of exaggeration that there are some seimographs sensitive enough to know when someone drops the toilet seat in the kremlin. So if this event were even atmospheric enough to cause a pressure differential wouldnt there be record of it on a seismograph somewhere??? just thinking ignorantly..... Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > We spent a night on Drum Mt last spring. Didn't hear a thing but the > wind whistling in my ears all night. I did hear a jet go by high in > the sky, the sound came long after the jet passed us. No boom, just > usual jet humming. > We had something that sounded big hit the roof of our house and > rattled the windows, but when we looked out we didn't find a thing on > the roof, nor in the yard. Big acorns?? > Sometimes we get a low level rumble, almost sub-sonic "vibration" > here, but we figured out what it was. When the ground is wet and a > particularly heavy freight train comes down the track more than a mile > from the house it shakes the ground, and us. When it's also overcast > you hear a low roar also. Seems to happen more when the train is going > at a slow to moderate speed, not the fast bound freights we usually > get whizzing by. Since we live in a more geological formation > challenged area ( read not many rocks around here) maybe sound > vibrations travel thru the ground better?? > Jeanette > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Dec 27 16:46:32 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 27 16:46:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: sonic booms and other things that go boom in the night.... References: <122320050221.2732.43AB5F0E000A1F6200000AAC216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <43AED4D6.3090706@hal-pc.org> <002301c60992$0917aea0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <43B1D099.5060709@ptd.net> Message-ID: <43B1E054.69F7@Tomaszewski.net> If you go to http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ and look at the last 30 days of earthquakes and select one, then you can view the seismograms from all the stations that reported it (sorted by distance). BTW, if the 30 day button does not work on the home page click on an area of interest in the map to bring up a close-up that will have a 30 day button that works. I've found some browsers don't work correctly off the home page. You can also click on on the map and find a station that has reported a recent quake and view all the stations reporting the quake. Not all recent quakes will let you drill down for the data and actual seisomograms. I believe they list everything over 4.0. If you need data on a weaker quake and find the local station, they give contact info on where to obtain it (the raw data may be listed somewhere else on the USGS website too). Kreigh Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > > I'm sorry but I really feel the need to be ignorant, or perhaps I just > missed something along the way.... but any seismic activity ( geyser, > fault, basement rocks, etc ) would be recorded on a seismograph > somewhere wouldnt it?? I mean with some level of exaggeration that > there are some seimographs sensitive enough to know when someone drops > the toilet seat in the kremlin. So if this event were even atmospheric > enough to cause a pressure differential wouldnt there be record of it > on a seismograph somewhere??? just thinking ignorantly..... > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > We spent a night on Drum Mt last spring. Didn't hear a thing but the > > wind whistling in my ears all night. I did hear a jet go by high in > > the sky, the sound came long after the jet passed us. No boom, just > > usual jet humming. > > We had something that sounded big hit the roof of our house and > > rattled the windows, but when we looked out we didn't find a thing on > > the roof, nor in the yard. Big acorns?? > > Sometimes we get a low level rumble, almost sub-sonic "vibration" > > here, but we figured out what it was. When the ground is wet and a > > particularly heavy freight train comes down the track more than a mile > > from the house it shakes the ground, and us. When it's also overcast > > you hear a low roar also. Seems to happen more when the train is going > > at a slow to moderate speed, not the fast bound freights we usually > > get whizzing by. Since we live in a more geological formation > > challenged area ( read not many rocks around here) maybe sound > > vibrations travel thru the ground better?? > > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Tue Dec 27 16:47:04 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Tue Dec 27 16:47:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] copper mine... In-Reply-To: <43B1C6BF.10207@rcn.com> References: <20051226113512.q7uj88jsa800kcoo@my1.dal.ca> <43B1C6BF.10207@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20051227204704.wy5i013d2hk0c8og@my3.dal.ca> Frederick, It was called the Colonial Copper Mine. It is located at Cape D'Or in Nova Scotia, Canada. There are good exposures of high basalt cliffs here that still produice a bit of nice native copper and some great zeolites. For anyone else who might be reading this, someone is already sending me the requested information. Thanks to everyone who offered to help! Ronnie Van Dommelen Quoting Frederick Olmstead : > HI > WHAT IS / WHERE IS THE COPPER MINE > TO WHICH YOU REFER?? > > > GlmO > > __..--..__ > > Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I am doing some research on a local copper mine. A friend of mine recently >> found an indication that their is some interesting information on it in an >> early 1900's annual guide called the Copper Handbook. I am not >> familiar with >> this guide and can't find a lot of info about it online but I do have volume >> and page numbers that are of specific interest. I have searched >> many Canadian >> libraries catalogs to see if they had a set, but without luck. I am hoping a >> list member could help. >> >> Does a list member have any old copies of the Copper Handbook that >> they could >> photocopy a few pages from for me? Alternatively, I believe that both the >> Seaman Museum in Michigan and the Colorado School of Mines have >> complete sets. If a list member is involved at either of these >> places they might have access. >> >> If you can help, please contact me off list. Of course I would >> cover any costs, >> or could send a mineral specimen, in exchange for your help. >> >> Thanks, >> Ronnie Van Dommelen >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tboomer at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 19:28:46 2005 From: tboomer at comcast.net (tboomer@comcast.net) Date: Tue Dec 27 19:28:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana Message-ID: <122820050328.25759.43B2066E000894DF0000649F22007348309D0A0301010D9B@comcast.net> Hello Rockhounds, I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have learned quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island area. check it out: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift area. Do you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am doubtful that it was asociated with the recent hurricane activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. What are your thoughts? Tanya --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Dec 27 19:47:19 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Dec 27 19:50:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd Coprolite Discovered) In-Reply-To: <000001c609a3$04486390$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Message-ID: <200512280350.jBS3o6FG016266@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Kelly and list, Here's a report (and then a few questions at the end): Late in the morning on Monday, I went up to an area to the south of the Spruce Grove campground area which is in the Tarryall Mountains of central Colorado. After driving for 1.5 hours, I got to the parking area, put on my boots and got my equipment ready. I walked down to the creek and tested the ice. It was completely solid... probably a foot thick. I was worried about slipping and sliding on the ice, so I gingerly walked across the creek near a beaver's den and then up the other bank. After a 20 minute hike up to the digging area (and I do mean UP!), I put down my heavy pack, took out my 5 lb crack hammer and chisels, and started working on a solid pegmatite seam that I had noticed the last time I was there. After a lot of work (well, ok, maybe 10 minutes worth), all I got was a few not-so-exciting, small quartz crystals that I put into my bag. No sign of topaz, so I hiked up a little further. I soon saw a hole that someone else had dug recently and found a few nicer smoky quartz crystals, but still not great... and no topaz... so once again I put them in my bag and moved on. [ BTW, I usually surface-collect these types of crystals because they are easy to gather and the kids at the Denver Show love them in their grab bags which can be purchased for $1 each. Each bag has 10 different specimens. End of Denver Show plug. ;-) ] A little more hiking took me to where I wanted to be for this trip. Solid granite rock with some pegmatite evidence. [ This is a private claim, so I can't tell you where it is, although you can find this type of rock all over the place in the Tarryall Mountains, especially near the Spruce Grove campground. ] I saw where the pegmatite was running along the rocks. In one place it was 8" wide, but it had been dug out long ago. But then I noticed that there was a rock overhang that was blocking part of the pegmatite, so I removed it (probably 50 or 60 pounds) and it dropped below me without incident. Using a small screwdriver, I poked around and moved some of the yellow mud out of the way. Suddenly, out popped a topaz crystal. It was only 2cm long, but when you find a topaz crystal, it's usually pretty obvious. I poked around a little more and found very tiny pieces of topaz, a couple tiny pieces of smoky quartz, and a few microcline feldspar crystals. I continued digging in this area for another three hours, using chisels and the crack hammer, but nothing else popped out. It was getting cooler and cooler (upper 50's F) and the Sun would be setting soon, so I decided to pack it up and hike back downhill, over the frozen creek and back to my Jeep. When I got back to my Jeep, I remembered that I had left my GPS unit on top of the Jeep. Ooooops, the GPS's battery was dead, but at least the unit was still there. :-) After an uneventful drive back to the Denver area, I rinsed the dirt and mud off of my crystal finds. Most of them were "grab bag specimens"... the kids will love them, but they aren't good enough for my collection. But then I noticed something in the largest topaz crystal. I got out my 10x loope and... lo and behold... there was a crystal cluster inclusion! The topaz has a very slight yellow tint to it, but the inclusion has a little bit more of a green color to it. And the shape is gorgeous! I can never remember the names of crystal habits. I just tried to look it up on the internet and couldn't find it. It looks like it could be a garnet or a fluorite. It's similar in habit to a dodecahedron, but it might have more faces because I can see a couple hexagon-shaped (6 sided) faces. It looks like there are at least 3 crystals in the cluster. There is a high luster, but that could be a reflection of the topaz crystal faces. Because of this, I don't know if the crystals are gemmy. They look gemmy but maybe it's just the reflection. I am going to show the topaz crystal to a couple friends who have done facetting. One of them has a microscope and hopefully we can get a better view of the inclusion. So now I have a couple questions: 1. My best guess for the inclusion is that it's a fluorite (because that is a somewhat common association mineral in this area), but is there a possibility that it's a greenish garnet? Theoretically, can garnets be included within topaz, or would the solution that forms the topaz melt them? I don't know if garnets have been found in the area. 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, I mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal (not a "phantom"). For example: * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years ago) * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area mines in the U.S.) Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the same mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If all else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to figure it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I don't have a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I can't show it to everyone on the list. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Hanson Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became a collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall Mountains of Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find anything. Regards, Bob Loeffler BobL@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Dealer Chairman and Webmaster Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can confirm this if you wish. This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a "Hidey Ho" to all. _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) Gene Hartstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Dec 27 20:06:38 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Dec 27 20:06:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd Coprolite Discovered) Message-ID: <122820050406.1458.43B20F4B0009BCD2000005B2216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Bob, Nice report on your topaz prospecting. Fluorite sounds like the most likely mineral for your inclusions. I'm not sure I've ever heard of either mineral as inclusions in Tarryall topaz, but fluorite certainly occurs in the pegmatites generally, but not any garnet that I know of. It can be quite difficult to identify small inclusions--as you say, it's hard to be sure of the color and luster (and even the shape), because of all the reflections. A quick search on the internet reminded me that phenakite and albite (and that's apparently all) have been reported as inclusions in Tarryall topaz; see, http://www.topazmtgemmine.com/Lapidary_article.html cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : -------------- > Hi Kelly and list, > > Here's a report (and then a few questions at the end): > > Late in the morning on Monday, I went up to an area to the south of the > Spruce Grove campground area which is in the Tarryall Mountains of central > Colorado. After driving for 1.5 hours, I got to the parking area, put on my > boots and got my equipment ready. I walked down to the creek and tested the > ice. It was completely solid... probably a foot thick. I was worried about > slipping and sliding on the ice, so I gingerly walked across the creek near > a beaver's den and then up the other bank. > > After a 20 minute hike up to the digging area (and I do mean UP!), I put > down my heavy pack, took out my 5 lb crack hammer and chisels, and started > working on a solid pegmatite seam that I had noticed the last time I was > there. After a lot of work (well, ok, maybe 10 minutes worth), all I got > was a few not-so-exciting, small quartz crystals that I put into my bag. No > sign of topaz, so I hiked up a little further. > > I soon saw a hole that someone else had dug recently and found a few nicer > smoky quartz crystals, but still not great... and no topaz... so once again > I put them in my bag and moved on. [ BTW, I usually surface-collect these > types of crystals because they are easy to gather and the kids at the Denver > Show love them in their grab bags which can be purchased for $1 each. Each > bag has 10 different specimens. End of Denver Show plug. ;-) ] > > A little more hiking took me to where I wanted to be for this trip. Solid > granite rock with some pegmatite evidence. [ This is a private claim, so I > can't tell you where it is, although you can find this type of rock all over > the place in the Tarryall Mountains, especially near the Spruce Grove > campground. ] I saw where the pegmatite was running along the rocks. In one > place it was 8" wide, but it had been dug out long ago. But then I noticed > that there was a rock overhang that was blocking part of the pegmatite, so I > removed it (probably 50 or 60 pounds) and it dropped below me without > incident. Using a small screwdriver, I poked around and moved some of the > yellow mud out of the way. Suddenly, out popped a topaz crystal. It was > only 2cm long, but when you find a topaz crystal, it's usually pretty > obvious. I poked around a little more and found very tiny pieces of topaz, > a couple tiny pieces of smoky quartz, and a few microcline feldspar > crystals. > > I continued digging in this area for another three hours, using chisels and > the crack hammer, but nothing else popped out. It was getting cooler and > cooler (upper 50's F) and the Sun would be setting soon, so I decided to > pack it up and hike back downhill, over the frozen creek and back to my > Jeep. When I got back to my Jeep, I remembered that I had left my GPS unit > on top of the Jeep. Ooooops, the GPS's battery was dead, but at least the > unit was still there. :-) > > After an uneventful drive back to the Denver area, I rinsed the dirt and mud > off of my crystal finds. Most of them were "grab bag specimens"... the kids > will love them, but they aren't good enough for my collection. But then I > noticed something in the largest topaz crystal. I got out my 10x loope > and... lo and behold... there was a crystal cluster inclusion! The topaz > has a very slight yellow tint to it, but the inclusion has a little bit more > of a green color to it. And the shape is gorgeous! I can never remember > the names of crystal habits. I just tried to look it up on the internet and > couldn't find it. It looks like it could be a garnet or a fluorite. It's > similar in habit to a dodecahedron, but it might have more faces because I > can see a couple hexagon-shaped (6 sided) faces. It looks like there are at > least 3 crystals in the cluster. There is a high luster, but that could be > a reflection of the topaz crystal faces. Because of this, I don't know if > the crystals are gemmy. They look gemmy but maybe it's just the reflection. > > I am going to show the topaz crystal to a couple friends who have done > facetting. One of them has a microscope and hopefully we can get a better > view of the inclusion. > > So now I have a couple questions: > > 1. My best guess for the inclusion is that it's a fluorite (because that is > a somewhat common association mineral in this area), but is there a > possibility that it's a greenish garnet? Theoretically, can garnets be > included within topaz, or would the solution that forms the topaz melt them? > I don't know if garnets have been found in the area. > > 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, I > mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal (not a > "phantom"). For example: > > * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals > * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years ago) > * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area mines > in the U.S.) > > Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the same > mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > > As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If all > else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to figure > it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I don't have > a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I can't show > it to everyone on the list. > > Regards, > > Bob > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tboomer at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 20:26:07 2005 From: tboomer at comcast.net (tboomer@comcast.net) Date: Tue Dec 27 20:26:11 2005 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana Message-ID: <122820050426.11258.43B213DF0005B2A500002BFA22007348309D0A0301010D9B@comcast.net> Rockhounds, In reviewing the following link again, I noted that the seismic activity previously reported in Louisiana was removed. My only thought is that it was originally placed there in error. Honestly, it was there last week. I think I'll go back to lurking. Tanya -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: tboomer@comcast.net To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:46:15 +0000 Hello Rockhounds, I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have learned quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island area. check it out: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift area. Do you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am doubtful that it was asociated with the recent hurricane activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. What are your thoughts? Tanya --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Dec 27 20:58:39 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Dec 27 20:58:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana Message-ID: <122820050458.1342.43B21B740007A2B50000053E216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Tanya & List, I looked online at the USGS web pages (you can't find it any more on that link you gave, which is only the last 7 days' earthquakes, and this one was, well, it says 6:52 p.m. Dec. 19, not the 20th--it was Monday the 19th Central Time, but Tuesday the 20th Universal Time), but you can find it and see where it was felt, by starting at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ The location (I wasn't sure where Maurepas Island was) is between Baton Rouge and New Orleans, a little closer to Baton Rouge. (Now, this is funny, I just now viewed the description and map of the "felt area" of this quake on the USGS earthquake web pages, but now going back, I absolutely cannot relocate a way to get back to that page, which unfortunately I didn't save the url--ever had that happen on the internet?) I did finally find it, but getting via a totally different web-browsing path; the description is at, http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/recenteqs/Quakes/usgvbk.html and click on "Did you feel it" to see the detailed map. But I don't think the New Madrid seismic zone extends this far down the Mississippi. A USGS map showing areas of faults, classes this part of the state as included in what the call the region of gulf-margin faults; see, http://earthquake.usgs.gov/qfaults/eusa/gulf.html I think it's fair to say that earthquakes in this near-gulf-coast region, are generally related to faults produced by slow settling and sinking of the gulf coast sediments. I also see, interesting, that there's a listing for the Wilmington, NC, event from Dec. 20 (16:20 p.m.), listed as, "Sonic boom(?), Wilmington area, North Carolina" It is listed as mag. 0.0 (which I presume means that it was not recorded by seismographs), but was reported felt as intensity category II/III to IV (weak to light). Not being recorded seismically is consistent with a sound wave through the air, as opposed to a seismic wave from earth shaking. Pete Modreski, Denver CO (and with the USGS, except when I'm out on Christmas vacation, like now!) -------------- Original message from tboomer@comcast.net: -------------- > Hello Rockhounds, > I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have learned quite > a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would appreciate > your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic activity in > Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island area. > check it out: > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html > > I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the > Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift area. Do > you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to that fault > activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am doubtful that it was > asociated with the recent hurricane activity and unconsolidated sediments of the > area. What are your thoughts? > Tanya > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Tue Dec 27 21:11:57 2005 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Tue Dec 27 21:11:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana References: <122820050426.11258.43B213DF0005B2A500002BFA22007348309D0A0301010D9B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003401c60b6d$3acaae20$8792b2d1@TheBlackAdder> If you'll notice the legend on the map, it only displays events for the past 7 days. So, it may have been shown a few days ago. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana Rockhounds, In reviewing the following link again, I noted that the seismic activity previously reported in Louisiana was removed. My only thought is that it was originally placed there in error. Honestly, it was there last week. I think I'll go back to lurking. Tanya -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: tboomer@comcast.net To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:46:15 +0000 Hello Rockhounds, I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have learned quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island area. check it out: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift area. Do you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am doubtful that it was asociated with the recent hurricane activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. What are your thoughts? Tanya --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhounds at adelphia.net Tue Dec 27 21:46:10 2005 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Tue Dec 27 21:40:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake mapping. Very cool. This is a keeper! In-Reply-To: <43B1E054.69F7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000201c60b72$02479220$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> This type of info on this list is an unexpected value to me to be part of this. So glad I found this. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:47 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: sonic booms and other things that go boom inthe night.... If you go to http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ and look at the last 30 days of earthquakes and select one, then you can view the seismograms from all the stations that reported it (sorted by distance). BTW, if the 30 day button does not work on the home page click on an area of interest in the map to bring up a close-up that will have a 30 day button that works. I've found some browsers don't work correctly off the home page. You can also click on on the map and find a station that has reported a recent quake and view all the stations reporting the quake. Not all recent quakes will let you drill down for the data and actual seisomograms. I believe they list everything over 4.0. If you need data on a weaker quake and find the local station, they give contact info on where to obtain it (the raw data may be listed somewhere else on the USGS website too). Kreigh Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > > I'm sorry but I really feel the need to be ignorant, or perhaps I just > missed something along the way.... but any seismic activity ( geyser, > fault, basement rocks, etc ) would be recorded on a seismograph > somewhere wouldnt it?? I mean with some level of exaggeration that > there are some seimographs sensitive enough to know when someone drops > the toilet seat in the kremlin. So if this event were even > atmospheric enough to cause a pressure differential wouldnt there be > record of it on a seismograph somewhere??? just thinking > ignorantly..... > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > We spent a night on Drum Mt last spring. Didn't hear a thing but > > the wind whistling in my ears all night. I did hear a jet go by > > high in the sky, the sound came long after the jet passed us. No > > boom, just usual jet humming. We had something that sounded big hit > > the roof of our house and rattled the windows, but when we looked > > out we didn't find a thing on the roof, nor in the yard. Big > > acorns?? Sometimes we get a low level rumble, almost sub-sonic > > "vibration" here, but we figured out what it was. When the ground > > is wet and a particularly heavy freight train comes down the track > > more than a mile from the house it shakes the ground, and us. When > > it's also overcast you hear a low roar also. Seems to happen more > > when the train is going at a slow to moderate speed, not the fast > > bound freights we usually get whizzing by. Since we live in a more > > geological formation challenged area ( read not many rocks around > > here) maybe sound vibrations travel thru the ground better?? > > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 28 07:44:24 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 28 07:44:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake mapping. Message-ID: <122820051544.13050.43B2B2D700074911000032FA216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Re. Kreigh's note about finding earthquake data on the IRIS website, I was just looking at this site, as Kreigh says, it allows you to pick a listed earthquake (mag. 4.0 or greater) and look for seismic stations that recorded it, but I know that in the past, I have also found a website that enabled you to view continuous seismic records from any seismograph station anywhere that puts its records online for public viewing. However, I can't seem to find how to do that now. I don't find any link to such an index--by seismograph location, rather than by earthquake, on the IRIS site, or elsewhere. Kreigh or anyone, do you happen to know how to find such a clickable list? Pete -------------- Original message from "Kelly Hanson" : -------------- > This type of info on this list is an unexpected value to me to be part of > this. So glad I found this. > Kelly > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > > > If you go to > > http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ > > and look at the last 30 days of earthquakes and select one, then you can > view the seismograms from all the stations that reported it (sorted by > distance). > > BTW, if the 30 day button does not work on the home page click on an area of > interest in the map to bring up a close-up that will have a 30 day button > that works. I've found some browsers don't work correctly off the home page. > > You can also click on on the map and find a station that has reported a > recent quake and view all the stations reporting the quake. Not all recent > quakes will let you drill down for the data and actual seisomograms. > > I believe they list everything over 4.0. If you need data on a weaker quake > and find the local station, they give contact info on where to obtain it > (the raw data may be listed somewhere else on the USGS website too). > > Kreigh > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 28 07:52:11 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 28 07:52:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report--Danby;Goodsprings;Glendale In-Reply-To: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051227195930.31227.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43B2B4AB.3030507@tenforward.com> Hi Tina, Thank you for taking the time to share your adventure. I really appreciate it! Neat experiences, I could feel the sand creeping in... Thanks again and all the very best! Take care, John tango juli wrote: > Field trip report: The good, the bad and the harrowing! > Target: Gypsum-selenite crystals at Danby Dry Lake(CA), Orthoclase xls at Goodsprings(NV), and selenite at Glendale (NV). > Christmas break seemed like the perfect time to go dry lake surfing, so I loaded up the car with essentials(beer and a pick) and on Friday December 23 headed out for a couple dry lakes near the AZ/CA border before heading to Vegas more collecting. > A few years ago a friend tantalized me with glassy clear selenite crystals from Danby dry Lake and a recent visit to the San Bernardino Co Museum further teased with a monster 2 foot cluster of these clear xls. I decided to finally brave the road down to Danby in my Saturn SW2 (station wagon). Not seeing the traditional idiot warning of skull and crossbones on this road south of Cadiz, I prepared for 70 miles of possibly paved, unmaintained roads after leaving the old Route 66. > For those of you who enjoy the nostalgic Route 66, the section of this old highway leaving the US 40 at Ludlow and down to Amboy is visually appealing, complete with the roadway artifacts of 40s-50s filling stations and long abandoned roadside diners and now ghost localities, with signs creaking in the wind, sagebrush rolling by. That Friday morning, I navigated the unmaintained road without seeing a single car for 40 miles. Now, I had left Barstow with 4/5ths a tank of gas, imagining that Cadiz was big enough on the map to have a filling station before venturing down into no-woman?s land of Danby. With something close to 100 miles before hitting the 95 North to Vegas, I eyed the fuel indicator somewhat nervously as I passed the turnoff to Kelbaker Road which would take me north to US 40 and gas stations. I had enough at this point to do 150 gentle miles. As it turns out, a lighter tank was probably a blessing in the turf ahead. > The old Route 66 takes you to Amboy Crater, a small 250 foot cinder cone in the middle of no-where, Mojave desert. From there, Cadiz road forks southeast past Bristol, Cadiz and Danby dry lakes. Now on my California Road Atlas, there are no handy markers other than the dotted line that tell you this is a casually maintained dirt road. The road, which is unmarked for most of the 100 miles or so, allows a passenger vehicle to do abou 40 mph for much of it. However, after Cadiz, the locality whose actually location remains a mystery to me still, the road gets equally mysterious. Questionable in someplaces. After the RR tracks, the road forks east with long passages of fist sized sharp volcanics that will tax you at 10 mph. I reiterate?I would NEVER do this road again in a passenger vehicle. I saw a few mines that bear exploring at some point in the future. Around 35 miles after Cadiz, there was a mined outcrop at a contact point between the overlaying ba! > salt and > a diorite (?) and limestone turned to marble. It wasn?t clear precisely whether this was mined or a prospect. > From this point on, we entered into the land of sandtraps. First, let me tell you before you assume the author should be labeled ?special ed?. I assumed that the first sand trap would be the first, and if I?d known this would be the first of many, I?d have turned back. > Anyone whose driven off road knows ?never STOP in the sand. However, some of these sandtraps are 20-50 feet long and cover the road, so there is no going up and around. The trick is to get a running start and hit them at 30-40 mph. With front wheel drive, you have the advantage, especially if your weight is in the front and center of the car. However, what I didn?t know until AFTER the first one, is that underneath the sand, at the lip of the sandtraps is deeply rutted HARDPAN from previous drivers taking this when it was muddy, meaning you hit that edge at Mach, and its like plowing headfirst into a curb and your tail bottoms out. > A little tense now, and gritting my teeth (yes, yes, I know?I need a 4WD), I plowed on past the little mining outpost of Chubbock and examined the copious calcite and marble laying around. The wind had kicked up and was blowing something fierce, but the sky was clear and blue, and the temperature was working its way up there to the high 70s. > My directions told me to go to milligan, an old RR siding, and take the road down to the Danby lake. However, the sign was clear and not faded?PRIVATE PROPERTY NO TRESPASSING. Go figure. There was a ?settlement? kitty corner to the turn off. I went to ask permission. This is a typical desert locality with the usual collection of ?antiques?, rusted out vehicles from another time, including an ore loader, broken windmill, and indeterminant Large Industrial Machines. There were the requisite cluster of trailers with recently plated vehicles, however, no one appeared present and no one answered my hails. Not knowing if this was a mining camp or a meth-lab, I half expected a dog with big teeth which never materialized. Loath to be a pest or get ventilated, I decided to find another back route to the dry lake. > I went back north a mile or so near the old tankers rusting out on the railroad, found a remnant road and then drove down thru a hardpack wash to what was the old salt evaporator ponds. This road, built up on a levee goes out part way and then you?ve got to walk. After about 2 hours of walking about a mile and a half south along the dry lake margin and doing test pits in everything I could get my pick into, I found a few relict crystals about 12 inches down in the fine silt, but nothing glassy, nothing clear and nothing I was hoping for. The hummocks I was instructed to find must have been much further south of that private turnoff. > The other odd thing about this remote place was no apparent wildlife. No birds, no scurrying rodents, no kangaroo rats, no insects except one anemic fly and I didn?t have the heart to swat at his feeble attempts to land on me. And a few ants. > Well, this part of the trip was a bust. > It was two pm. I was hot as the temp on the lake seemed in the low 80s and headed back for the car, pick dragging on the crunchy dry surface behind me. I had to make a decision at this point?go back the way I came (dread) or head toward CA 62 to the 95 and hope the road just got better. I decided to follow the road to the 62. Sigh. > There is a pretty big difference between the sandy grus (groos?) from the granite found on some desert roads, and the flour like silt from these lake beds that blows onto the roads. When you step in this powder, it sends up a cloud of fine particulate dust. When you drive in it, now matter how buttoned up the car, you will have a thick layer of silt on everything in the car, including your Sunday-go-to-meetin?-clothes hanging in the back seat. > Not long after leaving Milligan (if its not a town, do you still have to capitalize it?), I came upon one of the biggest challenges of the trip. On the downslope of the shallow rise, I skidded to a halt in front of a 50-60 foot long wash with 12-18 inches of this fine powder with deep ruts running thru it from previous visitors. There was no way up around the road because the surrounding surface was punch-thru crust?you?d punch thru the thin crust about 6-12 inches, judging by the person who?d tried it before me?with large rocks and bushes littering the way. > > Go back the way I came or try it? The problem with this one was that I needed 40 mph to make it thru this and needed a long running start, but there was a sharp curve 20 feet before the silt bed to avoid another pit on part of the road meaning I had to time the curve just right before entering the silt pit. > I plotted the course and felt no relief as I successfully navigated this mess. What lie ahead, I asked myself, wondering if the spare was still pumped up, wishing I had a cell phone and how far was the hike to the 62?. > > After that, the trip was uneventful, if long. With less than a quarter tank left, I gassed up at the one gas station-locality of Vidal Junction. It was 202 miles to Vegas from Milligan, thru the winding and mostly 2 lane US 95 north (California side). > > Goodsprings, Nevada, Feldspar Crystals > The next day?s trip to Goodsprings, about 30 miles southwest of Vegas was uneventful, with glorious weather. Take the 15 south to the Goodsprings/Jean exit. Go west on the dirt road opposite the Goodsprings Truck bypass. Follow the road taking the left forks until you curve around the first major ridge and then head north up the canyon. Laying in the washes of the west-facing slopes are 1- 1.5 cm Orthoclase feldspar crystals that have eroded out of a weathering medium to light colored red lavas.. These are most plentiful up the canyon (Crystal Pass) directly under what may have been some kind of iron ore prospect some 200 feet above that is very visible from the rocky 4WD road. I found most of the crystals in the finer sorted gravels closest to the base of the slope. There are several mines up on the slopes here that warrant more exploration, with some interesting micro minerals that appear to be hydrozincite, mimetite (?) and other smaller spherical miner! > als that > may be calcite, but I am not sure. On the very recent road cut going up over the pass are some interesting green mineralization, a drusy crust and a green (prase?) looking chalcedony with transparent edges. Some looks like excellent cutting material. Again, I?ve not examined these finds closely yet, so don?t have a positive ID. > Day three?Glendale, Nevada?selenite crystals. > Lucustrine sediments right off the I-15 at the Glendale exit, some 40 miles north of Vegas are abundant with selenite crystals. These crystals resemble the Camp Verde selenite slightly, but are a bit more ?ate up?, more brittle, and more transparent. Gypsum roses are possible here as well as small, 2-4? crystal clusters that look like poor cousins to the beautiful Canadian spillway clusters, but collectible none-the-less. My 14-year-old cousin Lauren, juicy couture bag in tow, who has never been out collecting before was quietly engrossed for 3 hours extracting crystals before she even looked up. This techno-kid whose cell phone is questionably the most important thing in her life, let it ring and never seemed to give her cell a thought for the day. For kids, this is the best kind of collecting?you get immediate rewards for your efforts, and there is so much material that it doesn?t matter that you mangled the first 10 learning how to trim it out of the cra! > cked old > mud. > Directions: Follow the underpass under the 15 to the south side of the highway and take the first little dirt road to your right for several hundred feet. You can park here and walk in, or with 4WD, navigate that ditch and drive in. > Go thru the pass between the old volcanic hillside on your left and the white pyramid mound on your right. If you park by the RR debris and walk in you will be tempted, as we were, to waste time trying to collect on that long ridge parallel to the highway before you get to the canyon opening, noting all the crystal debris as you walk in. Don?t bother. The real stuff is evident where all the rockhounds have been digging around the bend. Even 50 feet down from these diggings near the handy furniture/old tire dumping station, the material isn?t worth saving. Don?t trim the mud on location?pack it away with the mud on it. When you get home, place it in room temperature distilled water and the mud just bubbles and falls away (no kidding!). The mud between the crystal ?leaves? will protect it for travel although you still need to wrap carefully in newspaper to protect the paper thing crystal edges. Detailed cleaning can be managed with toothpicks. Don?t soak the ! > crystals > too long. Collecting tools needed?screwdrivers and long pokey tools. > Note: In the "pyramid mound" there was a 20 foot deep cave, with a shallow entrance, with a central column supporting the roof that looked promising, however, after 5 years of desert collecting, I found my first scorpion in this pit and this little 2 incher was very gregarious. Proceed w/ caution or just stay outside?plenty on the walls outside to occupy yourself! > There you have it, the good, the bad and the harrowing! This was a fun trip with interesting goodies and all kinds of new things I?ve learned about my car. > PS?if you know anyone who wants to buy a used Saturn stationwagon, let me know ;) > Buon Viaggio to those who follow, > Tina T > aka tangojuli@yahoo.com > (the usual disclaimer: travel carefully and I?m not responsible if you do like I do and not like I say!) > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 28 07:54:01 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 28 07:54:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd Coprolite Discovered) In-Reply-To: <200512280350.jBS3o6FG016266@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512280350.jBS3o6FG016266@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <43B2B519.8080006@tenforward.com> Hi Bob, I'll leave your questions to those more able to assist, but really wanted to thank you for taking the time to share your adventure! I very much enjoyed reading it this morning. Keep up the fun times. All the very best, John Bob Loeffler wrote: >Hi Kelly and list, > >Here's a report (and then a few questions at the end): > >Late in the morning on Monday, I went up to an area to the south of the >Spruce Grove campground area which is in the Tarryall Mountains of central >Colorado. After driving for 1.5 hours, I got to the parking area, put on my >boots and got my equipment ready. I walked down to the creek and tested the >ice. It was completely solid... probably a foot thick. I was worried about >slipping and sliding on the ice, so I gingerly walked across the creek near >a beaver's den and then up the other bank. > >After a 20 minute hike up to the digging area (and I do mean UP!), I put >down my heavy pack, took out my 5 lb crack hammer and chisels, and started >working on a solid pegmatite seam that I had noticed the last time I was >there. After a lot of work (well, ok, maybe 10 minutes worth), all I got >was a few not-so-exciting, small quartz crystals that I put into my bag. No >sign of topaz, so I hiked up a little further. > >I soon saw a hole that someone else had dug recently and found a few nicer >smoky quartz crystals, but still not great... and no topaz... so once again >I put them in my bag and moved on. [ BTW, I usually surface-collect these >types of crystals because they are easy to gather and the kids at the Denver >Show love them in their grab bags which can be purchased for $1 each. Each >bag has 10 different specimens. End of Denver Show plug. ;-) ] > >A little more hiking took me to where I wanted to be for this trip. Solid >granite rock with some pegmatite evidence. [ This is a private claim, so I >can't tell you where it is, although you can find this type of rock all over >the place in the Tarryall Mountains, especially near the Spruce Grove >campground. ] I saw where the pegmatite was running along the rocks. In one >place it was 8" wide, but it had been dug out long ago. But then I noticed >that there was a rock overhang that was blocking part of the pegmatite, so I >removed it (probably 50 or 60 pounds) and it dropped below me without >incident. Using a small screwdriver, I poked around and moved some of the >yellow mud out of the way. Suddenly, out popped a topaz crystal. It was >only 2cm long, but when you find a topaz crystal, it's usually pretty >obvious. I poked around a little more and found very tiny pieces of topaz, >a couple tiny pieces of smoky quartz, and a few microcline feldspar >crystals. > >I continued digging in this area for another three hours, using chisels and >the crack hammer, but nothing else popped out. It was getting cooler and >cooler (upper 50's F) and the Sun would be setting soon, so I decided to >pack it up and hike back downhill, over the frozen creek and back to my >Jeep. When I got back to my Jeep, I remembered that I had left my GPS unit >on top of the Jeep. Ooooops, the GPS's battery was dead, but at least the >unit was still there. :-) > >After an uneventful drive back to the Denver area, I rinsed the dirt and mud >off of my crystal finds. Most of them were "grab bag specimens"... the kids >will love them, but they aren't good enough for my collection. But then I >noticed something in the largest topaz crystal. I got out my 10x loope >and... lo and behold... there was a crystal cluster inclusion! The topaz >has a very slight yellow tint to it, but the inclusion has a little bit more >of a green color to it. And the shape is gorgeous! I can never remember >the names of crystal habits. I just tried to look it up on the internet and >couldn't find it. It looks like it could be a garnet or a fluorite. It's >similar in habit to a dodecahedron, but it might have more faces because I >can see a couple hexagon-shaped (6 sided) faces. It looks like there are at >least 3 crystals in the cluster. There is a high luster, but that could be >a reflection of the topaz crystal faces. Because of this, I don't know if >the crystals are gemmy. They look gemmy but maybe it's just the reflection. > >I am going to show the topaz crystal to a couple friends who have done >facetting. One of them has a microscope and hopefully we can get a better >view of the inclusion. > >So now I have a couple questions: > >1. My best guess for the inclusion is that it's a fluorite (because that is >a somewhat common association mineral in this area), but is there a >possibility that it's a greenish garnet? Theoretically, can garnets be >included within topaz, or would the solution that forms the topaz melt them? >I don't know if garnets have been found in the area. > >2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and >not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, I >mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal (not a >"phantom"). For example: > >* Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals >* Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years ago) >* Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area mines >in the U.S.) > >Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the same >mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > >As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If all >else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to figure >it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I don't have >a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I can't show >it to everyone on the list. > >Regards, > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Hanson >Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM >To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > >Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became a >collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. >Kelly > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler >Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM >To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > >Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! > >I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall Mountains of >Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find anything. > >Regards, > >Bob Loeffler >BobL@peaktopeak.com >Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster >North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) >http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > >Dealer Chairman and Webmaster >Denver Gem and Mineral Show >http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > >Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: >http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com >Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > >Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at >several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can > >confirm this if you wish. > >This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a >picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a >"Hidey Ho" to all. > > >_http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ >(http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) > > >Gene Hartstein > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > message/rfc822 >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Dec 28 08:17:05 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Dec 28 08:17:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake mapping. Message-ID: <122820051617.18134.43B2BA8000022431000046D6216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I just answered my own question (in case anyone is interested). If you go to the USGS recent earthquake web page, http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ and on the Earthquake Activity sidebar on the left, click on "seismogram displays", it gives you a map showing locations throughout the U.S. that put seismic records online. Then if you click on any of those sites, for example I clicked on the New Madrid site, it links to not just one, but a whole list of seismic stations whose seismogram records you can directly view online. For example, the New Madrid link displays a list of about 15 online seismic stations, mostly in TN and AR plus a few in MO and AL. On each of these you can click to see the actual seismograms recorded each day over the past week; but the records don't go back more than 7 days, so, one can no longer look at regional seismic stations to see if they recorded the Dec. 19/20 Louisiana quake. Pete -------------- Original message from pjmodreski@att.net: -------------- > Re. Kreigh's note about finding earthquake data on the IRIS website, > > I was just looking at this site, as Kreigh says, it allows you to pick a listed > earthquake (mag. 4.0 or greater) and look for seismic stations that recorded it, > but I know that in the past, I have also found a website that enabled you to > view continuous seismic records from any seismograph station anywhere that puts > its records online for public viewing. However, I can't seem to find how to do > that now. I don't find any link to such an index--by seismograph location, > rather than by earthquake, on the IRIS site, or elsewhere. Kreigh or anyone, do > you happen to know how to find such a clickable list? > > Pete > > -------------- Original message from "Kelly Hanson" : > -------------- > > > > This type of info on this list is an unexpected value to me to be part of > > this. So glad I found this. > > Kelly > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > > Tomaszewski > > > > > > If you go to > > > > http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ > > > > and look at the last 30 days of earthquakes and select one, then you can > > view the seismograms from all the stations that reported it (sorted by > > distance). > > > > BTW, if the 30 day button does not work on the home page click on an area of > > interest in the map to bring up a close-up that will have a 30 day button > > that works. I've found some browsers don't work correctly off the home page. > > > > You can also click on on the map and find a station that has reported a > > recent quake and view all the stations reporting the quake. Not all recent > > quakes will let you drill down for the data and actual seisomograms. > > > > I believe they list everything over 4.0. If you need data on a weaker quake > > and find the local station, they give contact info on where to obtain it > > (the raw data may be listed somewhere else on the USGS website too). > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Wed Dec 28 09:58:14 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Dec 28 09:58:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall Mountains) In-Reply-To: <200512280350.jBS3o6FG016266@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512280350.jBS3o6FG016266@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <55a2f5a338e53990f5d0dc25667e73ac@lrream.com> Hi Bob, Good question about the inclusion; if you come up with anything other than your and Pete's belief of fluorite, let us know. As to inclusions worldwide, the list would be nearly endless. I find it interesting that inclusions rarely make it to the "top shelf" category. Although one obvious reason is that most inclusions are rather small and often not a major feature of a mineral specimen. Close to your subject of included topaz in the Tarryalls are a couple specimens of mine: 1) topaz from the Sawtooth Mountains of Idaho with inclusions of helvite. Topaz is fairly common in the Sawtooth Mountains, and helvite is uncommon, so that wasn't too big of a surprise. The helvites are tiny, sharp, cinnamon colored tetrahedrons. 2) The other is a topaz crystal with what appears to be an inclusion of beryl. The light color and habit is of a tiny doubly terminated hexagonal crystal that looks exactly like the aquamarine crystals of the area (but also like apatite, which is very rare in the Sawtooths). Originally I guessed the inclusion was beryl because beryl is common in the area. Fluorapatite was found later, and only two occurrences of it have been reported in cavities there, and neither were in topaz-bearing cavities. Beryl (aquamarine in the Sawtooths) is common, mostly as a coating on joint surfaces and inclusions in the granite in some areas (practically a rock-forming mineral), and has been found in quite a few cavities as good, gemmy crystals. The problem is that in the Sawtooth Mountains, as in other worldwide topaz- and beryl-bearing pegmatites, beryl rarely occurs in the same cavity as topaz, even though both may be common in the host rock. Other topaz crystals in the Sawtooth Mountains have inclusions of hematite and albite, both minerals common in the area. As to your question and comment about phantoms. Phantoms are often formed by the inclusion of a second mineral. As you mentioned, phantoms are most commonly formed by growth differences in a mineral, most often reflected only because of the color variation, they are also commonly caused by the inclusions of a second mineral. Pyrite and hematite often forms phantoms in quartz, fluorite and calcite. These represent the deposition of tiny crystals of the second mineral on the termination faces, and/or other faces, of the mineral, then continued growth of the primary mineral. As to garnet occurring as an inclusion in topaz. It should be able too. Spessartine (and probably almandine-spessartine) occurs in cavities with topaz, so it seems likely that it could be an inclusion. Regards, Lanny On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > ,,, > So now I have a couple questions: > > 1... > > 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, > I > mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal > (not a > "phantom"). For example: > > * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals > * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years > ago) > * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area > mines > in the U.S.) > > Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the > same > mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > > As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If > all > else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to > figure > it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I > don't have > a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I > can't show > it to everyone on the list. > > Regards, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Hanson > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became a > collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > > Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! > > I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall > Mountains of > Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find > anything. > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > BobL@peaktopeak.com > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > > Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > Denver Gem and Mineral Show > http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > FOSSILNUT@aol.com > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > > Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at > several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. > You can > > confirm this if you wish. > > This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. > Anyway a > picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday > and a > "Hidey Ho" to all. > > > _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ > (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) > > > Gene Hartstein > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > message/rfc822 > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From hkrocke at netscape.ca Wed Dec 28 11:47:13 2005 From: hkrocke at netscape.ca (hkrocke) Date: Wed Dec 28 11:51:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Dominican Republic In-Reply-To: <20051227204704.wy5i013d2hk0c8og@my3.dal.ca> Message-ID: I will be going to the Dominican Republic next month for a holiday. Is anybody out there who has first hand experience regarding collecting Amber there. Is it possible to collect some yourself or not ? Any Information would be appreciated. Hilmar From webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com Wed Dec 28 18:32:49 2005 From: webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com (Sally) Date: Wed Dec 28 18:33:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: field trip - and Christmas Corprolite Message-ID: <001401c60c20$2a053930$6de3fe04@FREEDOM> Hahahaha - Mr. Hanky Corprolite. That's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. I've always wondered what would interest a person in such a fossi? Bob -- I lived in the Empire area for years and can't believe you actually went rockhounding in the mountains at this time of year! Of course where I was it was likely that you'd end up down a shaft hiking in snow. I have been sniveling about the weather here in Idaho keeping me from doing any hounding. Now you have made me feel so lazy. If I can find a road this time of year that will hold the car, I might just have to go for it despite the rain. Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com Your Global Rockhound Center --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 28 19:43:43 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 28 19:43:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades Message-ID: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> 12/28/2005 The Light Slowly Fades By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com It always gets so crazy this time of year. The Holidays and then Tucson, a busy, busy time. I just had to get out! I've been hankering for an outing and finally just said the heck with it and packed the truck for a run. I was heading out west, out to the fossil deposits so near and dear lining the Strait of Juan de Fuca here in Washington State. The rain had been falling steadily over the last several weeks and it was a sure thing we'd have our fair share of liquid sunshine today too. But no bother, heck, here in Washington we mold before we tan, so after a bit of packing it was out the door we went, Buddy my dog and I. I'd thrown a pack together full of all the necessities; plastic bags, hammer, chisel, gloves, straps, water, food and vroom, vroom, vroom, off we went. The trip through Port Angeles and then further west through Joyce, was uneventful. There were very few cars on the road and the miles obscured by falling rain just sort of slipped by until with a slight turning of the wheel and the selection of a new gear, Buddy and I backed up, parking the truck just off the highway. I regrouped and repacked and then slung our gear over my shoulders and off we went. This initial part of our hike is sometimes quite a challenge as Buddy and I must first walk along side the highway before eventually dropping down through the woods, following the path leading to the beach. Thankfully, today's walk was a piece of cake, we never saw a car either coming or going. On other days, the road can be thick, not with cars usually, but with barreling logging trucks slapping gears and hauling butt. Buddy is a good boy and stays close heeding my commands fairly well, still, the quarters are tight and the trucks come up awfully quick. I'm always thankful when we hit the woods. With the rain we've had and were continuing to have, everything was sopping wet. Water dripped from all of the various shades of green and densely matted woody browns and little puddled lakes formed in the depressions of the trail. The clay rich sodden soils squelched and squirted as we half slipped, half walked, ever descending towards the beach below where breakers crashed, their muted sounds echoing through the trees. Buddy was off ahead of me, racing the trail and slinging clods of dirt with every pass and it was easy to let soft laughter slip out as the joy of the moment gushed from me, a joyous sound accompanied by his panting breaths. With my walking poles in hand, I followed his lead and together we both eventually made it to the beach. There the view swelled out breathtakingly. Panoramically the waters within the Strait danced and churned as the wind whipped them into a thing seemingly alive. The waves crashed, slapping the shores in bubbling, frothing surges or exploded against the hard black rock bastions slowly weathering along the shoreline. Sharp whites in fleeting sprays against shifting bluish gray. Tearing my eyes from the scene, I soon began walking, covering the ground steadily while casting a careful shifting, scanning gaze about to search out treasure from among the jumbled beach rubble. Masses of seaweed lay about here and there in clotted rotting piles cast up against beach logs by ghost like receding tides, their pungent odors wafting about in a scurrying wind. As we progressed down the beach it became ever more obvious that the areas I'd hoped to collect would not be exposed, and upon arrival as I suspected, these finest areas were buried. Huge accumulations of sediment are transported down to the beach terrain in this area each year during this time fed by a dozen swollen streams and the slowly bulging, ever-tumbling progressing fronts of innumerable small landslides. Likely it will take several months before collecting here will return to its prime, taking that long for the tides to wash these materials away. In the meantime, I'll just shift a bit and change my collecting focus. Originally I'd hoped to work fossil bearing strata still in place, but with these areas currently buried, my focus can now shift to work the materials transported within these fresh deposits. And more then anything, this means pseudomorphs. Pseudomorphs of calcite after aragonite are found at several localities where fossil bearing marine sediments are exposed along the Strait here in Clallam County, and while not the largest, those specimens found from this locality are among the most morphologically diverse known from any local area. Pseudomorph crystals of this type are most commonly recovered as doubly terminated slightly rotated dipyramids, however in addition to this, crystals from this locality are found here displaying a staggering array of twin forms. Studies involving these crystals is currently ongoing with the collaboration of scientists in Denmark. The abundant landslides in this area act as transport mechanisms depositing specimens from sediments above to the beach below. Here they are abused by the cycling tides and are prone to rapid wear. Sharp crystal faces become increasingly pitted and deformed from abrasion before eventually succumbing to this abuse, breaking and cleaving into smaller and smaller fragments until inevitable weathering destroys all traces of their existence. With the slides fresh and new, the potential for discovering pristine specimens was high and I was ready for the challenge. The best pseudomorphs are often found high up the beach against the bluffs. Here they are more or less protected, being attacked only during the highest tides. They are light, lighter than many of the other beach materials found here and this additionally aids in their discovery. Heavier materials settle quicker and deeper into the gravels through the natural sorting action of the waves while lighter materials rest higher in the assemblage. This is the case with the pseudomorphs and while looking, I spotted several resting right on the tops of the gravel piles. Many were already too worn to be considered specimens of relevancy, still, they make excellent give away material for the kids. After searching about a bit, I found my first keepers and eventually brought out two for us, though there certainly could have been others had I taken more time. Both specimens are between 1 and 2 inches in length and both are multiply twinned displaying sharp form. Real prizes. Additionally to this, I also found my first keeper fossil while searching the gravel piles. It's a rich-brown colored brittlestar coquina plate measuring about 2 x 2 inches. Brittlestars are exposed en mass on both the top and bottom surfaces of this little slab-like specimen comprised entirely of their fossil remains. With these treasures in hand and no chance of the other areas I'd hoped to work being exposed. I took note of the failing light of falling twilight and decided to make quick steps out of there in the hope of working another near-by locality found along a further section of beach. I gathered up my gear and slung my pack back onto my shoulders, called Buddy and together, we both began a rapid exit of the area. We pounded the beach and then slipped and slid our way up the trail before braving the road section back to the truck. There I threw the pack into the back, loaded us up, and started up the truck and drove to locality number two. Here eventually, we parked right along side the highway and again loaded up and began our trek through the woods to the beach. This section is much more heavily collected then the other area I'd just left and I was thrilled to find that we again had the entire place to ourselves. The trail in was much worse then the previous section we'd just hiked and was more a vast swamp then a trail. The mud was thick and clutched at one's foot while soupy waters threatened to find access to clean dry socks. I used my walking sticks heavily here and only had one near fall where I was lucky, catching myself with the sticks just before I crashed butt-first into the muck. And so, once again slipping and sliding, we eventually made our way down to the beach. And what a beautiful stretch it was. The gravel piles I hoped to collect lay high and dry exposed as far as I'd be searching along this particular section. The overwhelming sediment accumulation destroying the collecting potential of the last beach was 100% absent here as were the olfactory accumulations of seaweed. Everything was just right for treasure hunting and I still had over an hour of daylight left! We set our feet a' flying and were soon hoofing our way through the crunching gravels. My pace was brisk as I planned to really begin my collecting at the far end of this particular beach and work my way forward. Two reasons for this, less people make the further trip and thus the best unspoiled collecting lay as far from the trailhead as possible, and the second reason, treasure! At the far end of the beach lay an area where crab fossils can be found and these I really, really like! As I walked, I came across several treasures including a dozen or two fossil snail sections. These examples were found both free of matrix and as specimens partially exposed from within carbonate concretions. I kept several of these including a nice 1 1/2 inch snail exposed as a cross section. These make neat specimens as the shell of the snails fluoresces brightly against its matrix under ultraviolet illumination. Another snail specimen is actually comprised of two individuals within one concretion nicely. At the end of the section I took a short rest/appreciation stop to take in the changing conditions around me. A new beach, still along the Strait and yet seemingly entirely unique and special. The way the waves crashed here more softly and with less force then at the other beach I'd just left. The way the light was changing as twilight took more of a hold on the evening. The way the lights started to shine on Vancouver Island, Canada; another Country and yet so very close. The wind had died down and the rain had softened a bit and I marveled that among all the billions of people on this planet, I was the only one here, soaking up all this magic, reveling in this special moment, smelling the salt water and the aroma of the wet green woods behind me, basking in the fading light of an average star nearly 93,000,000 miles away. I called Buddy over and fed him a handful of biscuits and poured him some fresh water while I soaked it all in. And while not that long ago, the impression of that evening is still stark and fresh in my mind a thing of magic! As the moment passed, the need to attend to my surroundings came to bear and I gathered up and again shouldered my pack, beginning the slow attentive walk back towards the trailhead looking for treasure. I worked steadily and was soon rewarded with my first prize, a nice crab bearing concretion, flatish and about 4 by 3 inches. Three other examples soon followed as did a couple neat chunks of fossil bone. Additionally, I found one agatized nautiloid, a cross sectioned shrimp claw and a few other pieces of this and that for the kids and then that was it and the trail called me home. In the falling darkness of a Monday evening, both Buddy and I slowly made our way back to the truck. We'd both had a great time. The day had been a success on many levels and while true, I never did find that killer-one-of-a-kind-specimen, I did perhaps find something more. If the memories stay with me, these will be the truest treasure I collected that day. It's good to be alive. All the very best in the New Year upcoming everyone, be safe and take care. Sincerely, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Dec 28 19:59:48 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 28 19:59:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake mapping. References: <122820051617.18134.43B2BA8000022431000046D6216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <43B35F2C.3103@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks Pete! I knew it was on the USGS website, but I couldn't remember where it was to find it again. BTW, when I tried to get to it directly at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ it told me the website is being moved and is unavailable. But when I went after it at http://earthquake.usgs.gov and clicked on the 'Latest Quakes' tab it took me to that same page. Kreigh pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > I just answered my own question (in case anyone is interested). If you go to the USGS recent earthquake web page, > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ > > > Pete > > -------------- Original message from pjmodreski@att.net: -------------- > > > Re. Kreigh's note about finding earthquake data on the IRIS website, > > > > I was just looking at this site, as Kreigh says, it allows you to pick a listed > > earthquake (mag. 4.0 or greater) and look for seismic stations that recorded it, > > but I know that in the past, I have also found a website that enabled you to > > view continuous seismic records from any seismograph station anywhere that puts > > its records online for public viewing. However, I can't seem to find how to do > > that now. I don't find any link to such an index--by seismograph location, > > rather than by earthquake, on the IRIS site, or elsewhere. Kreigh or anyone, do > > you happen to know how to find such a clickable list? > > > > Pete > > > > -------------- Original message from "Kelly Hanson" : > > -------------- > > > > > > > This type of info on this list is an unexpected value to me to be part of > > > this. So glad I found this. > > > Kelly > > > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > > > Tomaszewski > > > > > > > > > If you go to > > > > > > http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ > > > > > > and look at the last 30 days of earthquakes and select one, then you can > > > view the seismograms from all the stations that reported it (sorted by > > > distance). > > > > > > BTW, if the 30 day button does not work on the home page click on an area of > > > interest in the map to bring up a close-up that will have a 30 day button > > > that works. I've found some browsers don't work correctly off the home page. > > > > > > You can also click on on the map and find a station that has reported a > > > recent quake and view all the stations reporting the quake. Not all recent > > > quakes will let you drill down for the data and actual seisomograms. > > > > > > I believe they list everything over 4.0. If you need data on a weaker quake > > > and find the local station, they give contact info on where to obtain it > > > (the raw data may be listed somewhere else on the USGS website too). > > > > > > Kreigh From kahako at verizon.net Wed Dec 28 20:41:14 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Dec 28 20:41:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades In-Reply-To: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> References: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051228181810.03766e40@incoming.verizon.net> Great report, John, and once again, I like the way you include atmosphere and help us appreciate the whole experience, not just the material collected. It made me miss the Pacific Northwest, where I used to live. In my youth, my family owned Obstruction Island in the San Juan Islands. Yep, they owned the whole island, all 216 acres. Bought it for $30,000 in 1954. Can you imagine what it's worth today? You can google Obstruction Island for some nice pictures, and if you go to http://www.obstructionisland.org/about/ there's a report I wrote about its history with my parents. I'm told there were fossils to be found on that island's beaches, but that was not (actually still is not) my special interest. Some day Bill and I must go back to Puget Sound and do some rockhounding! Aloha, Kitty At 05:43 PM 12/28/2005, 12/28/2005 John Cornish wrote: >It always gets so crazy this time of year. The Holidays and then Tucson, a >busy, busy time. I just had to get out! I've been hankering for an outing >and finally just said the heck with it and packed the truck for a run. I >was heading out west, out to the fossil deposits so near and dear lining >the Strait of Juan de Fuca here in Washington State. From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Dec 28 21:05:33 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Dec 28 21:05:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana In-Reply-To: <122820050328.25759.43B2066E000894DF0000649F22007348309D0A0301010D9B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On relatively rare occasions we have them here in the northern gulf coastal plain. They are the settling of the sediment that is the ground here. It is like wet sand and mud that shifts a bit once in a long while. I don't think the New Madrid has done much recently, but it is way overdue. Glenn From: tboomer@comcast.net Hello Rockhounds, I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have learned quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island area. check it out: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift area. Do you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am doubtful that it was asociated with the recent hurricane activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. What are your thoughts? Tanya ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Create your own custom mailing list called Groups with MSN Hotmail ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 28 23:25:51 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 28 23:28:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd CoproliteDiscovered) In-Reply-To: <122820050406.1458.43B20F4B0009BCD2000005B2216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <200512290728.jBT7SAXq005791@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Pete, Yeah, fluorite is the most likely culprit. I was looking at it a little more last night and now I'm thinking of another possibility: a hexagonal "book" of greenish-yellow mica, although I don't see any sheets or layering. But at that size, maybe layers aren't as apparent. Garnet was my first guess because of its appearance, but I've never heard of them in this area either. I wish it was phenakite, but it doesn't have the right shape. :-( Anyway, thanks for the message and maybe I'll have a more concrete answer soon. Even if it's just mica, it's still a "keeper"! Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:07 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd CoproliteDiscovered) Hi Bob, Nice report on your topaz prospecting. Fluorite sounds like the most likely mineral for your inclusions. I'm not sure I've ever heard of either mineral as inclusions in Tarryall topaz, but fluorite certainly occurs in the pegmatites generally, but not any garnet that I know of. It can be quite difficult to identify small inclusions--as you say, it's hard to be sure of the color and luster (and even the shape), because of all the reflections. A quick search on the internet reminded me that phenakite and albite (and that's apparently all) have been reported as inclusions in Tarryall topaz; see, http://www.topazmtgemmine.com/Lapidary_article.html cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Bob Loeffler" : -------------- > Hi Kelly and list, > > Here's a report (and then a few questions at the end): > > Late in the morning on Monday, I went up to an area to the south of the > Spruce Grove campground area which is in the Tarryall Mountains of central > Colorado. After driving for 1.5 hours, I got to the parking area, put on my > boots and got my equipment ready. I walked down to the creek and tested the > ice. It was completely solid... probably a foot thick. I was worried about > slipping and sliding on the ice, so I gingerly walked across the creek near > a beaver's den and then up the other bank. > > After a 20 minute hike up to the digging area (and I do mean UP!), I put > down my heavy pack, took out my 5 lb crack hammer and chisels, and started > working on a solid pegmatite seam that I had noticed the last time I was > there. After a lot of work (well, ok, maybe 10 minutes worth), all I got > was a few not-so-exciting, small quartz crystals that I put into my bag. No > sign of topaz, so I hiked up a little further. > > I soon saw a hole that someone else had dug recently and found a few nicer > smoky quartz crystals, but still not great... and no topaz... so once again > I put them in my bag and moved on. [ BTW, I usually surface-collect these > types of crystals because they are easy to gather and the kids at the Denver > Show love them in their grab bags which can be purchased for $1 each. Each > bag has 10 different specimens. End of Denver Show plug. ;-) ] > > A little more hiking took me to where I wanted to be for this trip. Solid > granite rock with some pegmatite evidence. [ This is a private claim, so I > can't tell you where it is, although you can find this type of rock all over > the place in the Tarryall Mountains, especially near the Spruce Grove > campground. ] I saw where the pegmatite was running along the rocks. In one > place it was 8" wide, but it had been dug out long ago. But then I noticed > that there was a rock overhang that was blocking part of the pegmatite, so I > removed it (probably 50 or 60 pounds) and it dropped below me without > incident. Using a small screwdriver, I poked around and moved some of the > yellow mud out of the way. Suddenly, out popped a topaz crystal. It was > only 2cm long, but when you find a topaz crystal, it's usually pretty > obvious. I poked around a little more and found very tiny pieces of topaz, > a couple tiny pieces of smoky quartz, and a few microcline feldspar > crystals. > > I continued digging in this area for another three hours, using chisels and > the crack hammer, but nothing else popped out. It was getting cooler and > cooler (upper 50's F) and the Sun would be setting soon, so I decided to > pack it up and hike back downhill, over the frozen creek and back to my > Jeep. When I got back to my Jeep, I remembered that I had left my GPS unit > on top of the Jeep. Ooooops, the GPS's battery was dead, but at least the > unit was still there. :-) > > After an uneventful drive back to the Denver area, I rinsed the dirt and mud > off of my crystal finds. Most of them were "grab bag specimens"... the kids > will love them, but they aren't good enough for my collection. But then I > noticed something in the largest topaz crystal. I got out my 10x loope > and... lo and behold... there was a crystal cluster inclusion! The topaz > has a very slight yellow tint to it, but the inclusion has a little bit more > of a green color to it. And the shape is gorgeous! I can never remember > the names of crystal habits. I just tried to look it up on the internet and > couldn't find it. It looks like it could be a garnet or a fluorite. It's > similar in habit to a dodecahedron, but it might have more faces because I > can see a couple hexagon-shaped (6 sided) faces. It looks like there are at > least 3 crystals in the cluster. There is a high luster, but that could be > a reflection of the topaz crystal faces. Because of this, I don't know if > the crystals are gemmy. They look gemmy but maybe it's just the reflection. > > I am going to show the topaz crystal to a couple friends who have done > facetting. One of them has a microscope and hopefully we can get a better > view of the inclusion. > > So now I have a couple questions: > > 1. My best guess for the inclusion is that it's a fluorite (because that is > a somewhat common association mineral in this area), but is there a > possibility that it's a greenish garnet? Theoretically, can garnets be > included within topaz, or would the solution that forms the topaz melt them? > I don't know if garnets have been found in the area. > > 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, I > mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal (not a > "phantom"). For example: > > * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals > * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years ago) > * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area mines > in the U.S.) > > Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the same > mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > > As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If all > else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to figure > it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I don't have > a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I can't show > it to everyone on the list. > > Regards, > > Bob > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 28 23:30:19 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 28 23:32:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd CoproliteDiscovered) In-Reply-To: <43B2B519.8080006@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <200512290732.jBT7WLXq009129@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hey John! Right back at you! Nice story about the Strait of Juan de Fuca trip. Have you ever thought about writing novels and mixing in the rockhounding stuff? Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria Cornish Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:54 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tarryall Mountains trip report (was Odd CoproliteDiscovered) Hi Bob, I'll leave your questions to those more able to assist, but really wanted to thank you for taking the time to share your adventure! I very much enjoyed reading it this morning. Keep up the fun times. All the very best, John Bob Loeffler wrote: >Hi Kelly and list, > >Here's a report (and then a few questions at the end): > >Late in the morning on Monday, I went up to an area to the south of the >Spruce Grove campground area which is in the Tarryall Mountains of central >Colorado. After driving for 1.5 hours, I got to the parking area, put on my >boots and got my equipment ready. I walked down to the creek and tested the >ice. It was completely solid... probably a foot thick. I was worried about >slipping and sliding on the ice, so I gingerly walked across the creek near >a beaver's den and then up the other bank. > >After a 20 minute hike up to the digging area (and I do mean UP!), I put >down my heavy pack, took out my 5 lb crack hammer and chisels, and started >working on a solid pegmatite seam that I had noticed the last time I was >there. After a lot of work (well, ok, maybe 10 minutes worth), all I got >was a few not-so-exciting, small quartz crystals that I put into my bag. No >sign of topaz, so I hiked up a little further. > >I soon saw a hole that someone else had dug recently and found a few nicer >smoky quartz crystals, but still not great... and no topaz... so once again >I put them in my bag and moved on. [ BTW, I usually surface-collect these >types of crystals because they are easy to gather and the kids at the Denver >Show love them in their grab bags which can be purchased for $1 each. Each >bag has 10 different specimens. End of Denver Show plug. ;-) ] > >A little more hiking took me to where I wanted to be for this trip. Solid >granite rock with some pegmatite evidence. [ This is a private claim, so I >can't tell you where it is, although you can find this type of rock all over >the place in the Tarryall Mountains, especially near the Spruce Grove >campground. ] I saw where the pegmatite was running along the rocks. In one >place it was 8" wide, but it had been dug out long ago. But then I noticed >that there was a rock overhang that was blocking part of the pegmatite, so I >removed it (probably 50 or 60 pounds) and it dropped below me without >incident. Using a small screwdriver, I poked around and moved some of the >yellow mud out of the way. Suddenly, out popped a topaz crystal. It was >only 2cm long, but when you find a topaz crystal, it's usually pretty >obvious. I poked around a little more and found very tiny pieces of topaz, >a couple tiny pieces of smoky quartz, and a few microcline feldspar >crystals. > >I continued digging in this area for another three hours, using chisels and >the crack hammer, but nothing else popped out. It was getting cooler and >cooler (upper 50's F) and the Sun would be setting soon, so I decided to >pack it up and hike back downhill, over the frozen creek and back to my >Jeep. When I got back to my Jeep, I remembered that I had left my GPS unit >on top of the Jeep. Ooooops, the GPS's battery was dead, but at least the >unit was still there. :-) > >After an uneventful drive back to the Denver area, I rinsed the dirt and mud >off of my crystal finds. Most of them were "grab bag specimens"... the kids >will love them, but they aren't good enough for my collection. But then I >noticed something in the largest topaz crystal. I got out my 10x loope >and... lo and behold... there was a crystal cluster inclusion! The topaz >has a very slight yellow tint to it, but the inclusion has a little bit more >of a green color to it. And the shape is gorgeous! I can never remember >the names of crystal habits. I just tried to look it up on the internet and >couldn't find it. It looks like it could be a garnet or a fluorite. It's >similar in habit to a dodecahedron, but it might have more faces because I >can see a couple hexagon-shaped (6 sided) faces. It looks like there are at >least 3 crystals in the cluster. There is a high luster, but that could be >a reflection of the topaz crystal faces. Because of this, I don't know if >the crystals are gemmy. They look gemmy but maybe it's just the reflection. > >I am going to show the topaz crystal to a couple friends who have done >facetting. One of them has a microscope and hopefully we can get a better >view of the inclusion. > >So now I have a couple questions: > >1. My best guess for the inclusion is that it's a fluorite (because that is >a somewhat common association mineral in this area), but is there a >possibility that it's a greenish garnet? Theoretically, can garnets be >included within topaz, or would the solution that forms the topaz melt them? >I don't know if garnets have been found in the area. > >2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and >not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, I >mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal (not a >"phantom"). For example: > >* Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals >* Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years ago) >* Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area mines >in the U.S.) > >Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the same >mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > >As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If all >else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to figure >it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I don't have >a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I can't show >it to everyone on the list. > >Regards, > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Hanson >Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM >To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > >Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became a >collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. >Kelly > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler >Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM >To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > >Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! > >I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall Mountains of >Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find anything. > >Regards, > >Bob Loeffler >BobL@peaktopeak.com >Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster >North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) >http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > >Dealer Chairman and Webmaster >Denver Gem and Mineral Show >http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > >Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: >http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of FOSSILNUT@aol.com >Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > >Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at >several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. You can > >confirm this if you wish. > >This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. Anyway a >picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday and a >"Hidey Ho" to all. > > >_http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ >(http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) > > >Gene Hartstein > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > message/rfc822 >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 28 23:36:48 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 28 23:38:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall Mountains) In-Reply-To: <55a2f5a338e53990f5d0dc25667e73ac@lrream.com> Message-ID: <200512290738.jBT7cnXq013623@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Lanny, I'll definitely let everyone know IF I find out what it is. Your inclusion specimens sound great. Are the inclusions big enough to see without too much magnification? I forgot that phantoms are often (or usually) caused by coatings of a different mineral. I guess I was thinking that the coating is made up of dust and might be too small to be crystals, but crystals can be very tiny. :-) Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:58 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall Mountains) Hi Bob, Good question about the inclusion; if you come up with anything other than your and Pete's belief of fluorite, let us know. As to inclusions worldwide, the list would be nearly endless. I find it interesting that inclusions rarely make it to the "top shelf" category. Although one obvious reason is that most inclusions are rather small and often not a major feature of a mineral specimen. Close to your subject of included topaz in the Tarryalls are a couple specimens of mine: 1) topaz from the Sawtooth Mountains of Idaho with inclusions of helvite. Topaz is fairly common in the Sawtooth Mountains, and helvite is uncommon, so that wasn't too big of a surprise. The helvites are tiny, sharp, cinnamon colored tetrahedrons. 2) The other is a topaz crystal with what appears to be an inclusion of beryl. The light color and habit is of a tiny doubly terminated hexagonal crystal that looks exactly like the aquamarine crystals of the area (but also like apatite, which is very rare in the Sawtooths). Originally I guessed the inclusion was beryl because beryl is common in the area. Fluorapatite was found later, and only two occurrences of it have been reported in cavities there, and neither were in topaz-bearing cavities. Beryl (aquamarine in the Sawtooths) is common, mostly as a coating on joint surfaces and inclusions in the granite in some areas (practically a rock-forming mineral), and has been found in quite a few cavities as good, gemmy crystals. The problem is that in the Sawtooth Mountains, as in other worldwide topaz- and beryl-bearing pegmatites, beryl rarely occurs in the same cavity as topaz, even though both may be common in the host rock. Other topaz crystals in the Sawtooth Mountains have inclusions of hematite and albite, both minerals common in the area. As to your question and comment about phantoms. Phantoms are often formed by the inclusion of a second mineral. As you mentioned, phantoms are most commonly formed by growth differences in a mineral, most often reflected only because of the color variation, they are also commonly caused by the inclusions of a second mineral. Pyrite and hematite often forms phantoms in quartz, fluorite and calcite. These represent the deposition of tiny crystals of the second mineral on the termination faces, and/or other faces, of the mineral, then continued growth of the primary mineral. As to garnet occurring as an inclusion in topaz. It should be able too. Spessartine (and probably almandine-spessartine) occurs in cavities with topaz, so it seems likely that it could be an inclusion. Regards, Lanny On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > ,,, > So now I have a couple questions: > > 1... > > 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, > I > mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal > (not a > "phantom"). For example: > > * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals > * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years > ago) > * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area > mines > in the U.S.) > > Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the > same > mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > > As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If > all > else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to > figure > it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I > don't have > a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I > can't show > it to everyone on the list. > > Regards, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Hanson > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became a > collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. > Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > > Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! > > I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall > Mountains of > Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find > anything. > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > BobL@peaktopeak.com > Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > > Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > Denver Gem and Mineral Show > http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > > Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > FOSSILNUT@aol.com > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > > > Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at > several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. > You can > > confirm this if you wish. > > This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. > Anyway a > picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday > and a > "Hidey Ho" to all. > > > _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ > (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) > > > Gene Hartstein > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > message/rfc822 > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 28 23:44:29 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 28 23:46:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: field trip - and Christmas Corprolite In-Reply-To: <001401c60c20$2a053930$6de3fe04@FREEDOM> Message-ID: <200512290746.jBT7kYXq020058@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Sally, Empire seems to get more snow than where I went, and as you mentioned, there are many mining shafts where you were. Luckily, there aren't any mining shafts where I was digging - just some holes a few feet deep that are easy to see - and not much snow. And I went up there when I knew the weather was going to be nice (for this time of the year) and there had been sunshine the previous 3 days. I was more worried about the ice on the creek before I got there because if the ice was melting and unstable, I would've had to drive back to the campground, cross the creek at the bridge and then hike for 45 minutes. That hike is no fun if there is any snow, and there would've been snow because lots of those steep hills are on the north-facing slopes. I hope you find a good road even in the rain, because it felt so good to get out and do some rockhounding, even if I hadn't found anything. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Sally Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:33 PM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: field trip - and Christmas Corprolite Hahahaha - Mr. Hanky Corprolite. That's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. I've always wondered what would interest a person in such a fossi? Bob -- I lived in the Empire area for years and can't believe you actually went rockhounding in the mountains at this time of year! Of course where I was it was likely that you'd end up down a shaft hiking in snow. I have been sniveling about the weather here in Idaho keeping me from doing any hounding. Now you have made me feel so lazy. If I can find a road this time of year that will hold the car, I might just have to go for it despite the rain. Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com Your Global Rockhound Center --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Thu Dec 29 00:33:52 2005 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Thu Dec 29 00:34:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: field trip - and Christmas Corprolite References: <001401c60c20$2a053930$6de3fe04@FREEDOM> Message-ID: <004601c60c52$9a3209e0$645fe842@Titans> Hi Sal, Agreed I had a good laugh when I seen that lil varmint all dressed up and no where to go. Tell me your joking about heading out on one of these roads now as it is.....you may get 150 feet before your forward momentum is stopped with the caked gumbo on all four tires. Of course an ATV would go in, how is the snow situation in the graveyard point area ? if this keeps up it should be clear soon if not now ! According to what was said on your rock board site " RockhoundStation1.com " it will be interesting to see the hills covered with rock hounds again. Good luck. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: field trip - and Christmas Corprolite Hahahaha - Mr. Hanky Corprolite. That's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. I've always wondered what would interest a person in such a fossi? Bob -- I lived in the Empire area for years and can't believe you actually went rockhounding in the mountains at this time of year! Of course where I was it was likely that you'd end up down a shaft hiking in snow. I have been sniveling about the weather here in Idaho keeping me from doing any hounding. Now you have made me feel so lazy. If I can find a road this time of year that will hold the car, I might just have to go for it despite the rain. Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com Your Global Rockhound Center --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From libawc at emory.edu Thu Dec 29 03:58:41 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Thu Dec 29 03:58:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades In-Reply-To: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <000d01c60c6f$364284b0$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> John: What a lovely, lyrical story. All the way here in Atlanta, Ga I could feel the ocean spray and smell the damp woods! Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria Cornish Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:44 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades 12/28/2005 The Light Slowly Fades By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com It always gets so crazy this time of year. The Holidays and then Tucson, a busy, busy time. I just had to get out! I've been hankering for an outing and finally just said the heck with it and packed the truck for a run. I was heading out west, out to the fossil deposits so near and dear lining the Strait of Juan de Fuca here in Washington State. The rain had been falling steadily over the last several weeks and it was a sure thing we'd have our fair share of liquid sunshine today too. But no bother, heck, here in Washington we mold before we tan, so after a bit of packing it was out the door we went, Buddy my dog and I. I'd thrown a pack together full of all the necessities; plastic bags, hammer, chisel, gloves, straps, water, food and vroom, vroom, vroom, off we went. The trip through Port Angeles and then further west through Joyce, was uneventful. There were very few cars on the road and the miles obscured by falling rain just sort of slipped by until with a slight turning of the wheel and the selection of a new gear, Buddy and I backed up, parking the truck just off the highway. I regrouped and repacked and then slung our gear over my shoulders and off we went. This initial part of our hike is sometimes quite a challenge as Buddy and I must first walk along side the highway before eventually dropping down through the woods, following the path leading to the beach. Thankfully, today's walk was a piece of cake, we never saw a car either coming or going. On other days, the road can be thick, not with cars usually, but with barreling logging trucks slapping gears and hauling butt. Buddy is a good boy and stays close heeding my commands fairly well, still, the quarters are tight and the trucks come up awfully quick. I'm always thankful when we hit the woods. With the rain we've had and were continuing to have, everything was sopping wet. Water dripped from all of the various shades of green and densely matted woody browns and little puddled lakes formed in the depressions of the trail. The clay rich sodden soils squelched and squirted as we half slipped, half walked, ever descending towards the beach below where breakers crashed, their muted sounds echoing through the trees. Buddy was off ahead of me, racing the trail and slinging clods of dirt with every pass and it was easy to let soft laughter slip out as the joy of the moment gushed from me, a joyous sound accompanied by his panting breaths. With my walking poles in hand, I followed his lead and together we both eventually made it to the beach. There the view swelled out breathtakingly. Panoramically the waters within the Strait danced and churned as the wind whipped them into a thing seemingly alive. The waves crashed, slapping the shores in bubbling, frothing surges or exploded against the hard black rock bastions slowly weathering along the shoreline. Sharp whites in fleeting sprays against shifting bluish gray. Tearing my eyes from the scene, I soon began walking, covering the ground steadily while casting a careful shifting, scanning gaze about to search out treasure from among the jumbled beach rubble. Masses of seaweed lay about here and there in clotted rotting piles cast up against beach logs by ghost like receding tides, their pungent odors wafting about in a scurrying wind. As we progressed down the beach it became ever more obvious that the areas I'd hoped to collect would not be exposed, and upon arrival as I suspected, these finest areas were buried. Huge accumulations of sediment are transported down to the beach terrain in this area each year during this time fed by a dozen swollen streams and the slowly bulging, ever-tumbling progressing fronts of innumerable small landslides. Likely it will take several months before collecting here will return to its prime, taking that long for the tides to wash these materials away. In the meantime, I'll just shift a bit and change my collecting focus. Originally I'd hoped to work fossil bearing strata still in place, but with these areas currently buried, my focus can now shift to work the materials transported within these fresh deposits. And more then anything, this means pseudomorphs. Pseudomorphs of calcite after aragonite are found at several localities where fossil bearing marine sediments are exposed along the Strait here in Clallam County, and while not the largest, those specimens found from this locality are among the most morphologically diverse known from any local area. Pseudomorph crystals of this type are most commonly recovered as doubly terminated slightly rotated dipyramids, however in addition to this, crystals from this locality are found here displaying a staggering array of twin forms. Studies involving these crystals is currently ongoing with the collaboration of scientists in Denmark. The abundant landslides in this area act as transport mechanisms depositing specimens from sediments above to the beach below. Here they are abused by the cycling tides and are prone to rapid wear. Sharp crystal faces become increasingly pitted and deformed from abrasion before eventually succumbing to this abuse, breaking and cleaving into smaller and smaller fragments until inevitable weathering destroys all traces of their existence. With the slides fresh and new, the potential for discovering pristine specimens was high and I was ready for the challenge. The best pseudomorphs are often found high up the beach against the bluffs. Here they are more or less protected, being attacked only during the highest tides. They are light, lighter than many of the other beach materials found here and this additionally aids in their discovery. Heavier materials settle quicker and deeper into the gravels through the natural sorting action of the waves while lighter materials rest higher in the assemblage. This is the case with the pseudomorphs and while looking, I spotted several resting right on the tops of the gravel piles. Many were already too worn to be considered specimens of relevancy, still, they make excellent give away material for the kids. After searching about a bit, I found my first keepers and eventually brought out two for us, though there certainly could have been others had I taken more time. Both specimens are between 1 and 2 inches in length and both are multiply twinned displaying sharp form. Real prizes. Additionally to this, I also found my first keeper fossil while searching the gravel piles. It's a rich-brown colored brittlestar coquina plate measuring about 2 x 2 inches. Brittlestars are exposed en mass on both the top and bottom surfaces of this little slab-like specimen comprised entirely of their fossil remains. With these treasures in hand and no chance of the other areas I'd hoped to work being exposed. I took note of the failing light of falling twilight and decided to make quick steps out of there in the hope of working another near-by locality found along a further section of beach. I gathered up my gear and slung my pack back onto my shoulders, called Buddy and together, we both began a rapid exit of the area. We pounded the beach and then slipped and slid our way up the trail before braving the road section back to the truck. There I threw the pack into the back, loaded us up, and started up the truck and drove to locality number two. Here eventually, we parked right along side the highway and again loaded up and began our trek through the woods to the beach. This section is much more heavily collected then the other area I'd just left and I was thrilled to find that we again had the entire place to ourselves. The trail in was much worse then the previous section we'd just hiked and was more a vast swamp then a trail. The mud was thick and clutched at one's foot while soupy waters threatened to find access to clean dry socks. I used my walking sticks heavily here and only had one near fall where I was lucky, catching myself with the sticks just before I crashed butt-first into the muck. And so, once again slipping and sliding, we eventually made our way down to the beach. And what a beautiful stretch it was. The gravel piles I hoped to collect lay high and dry exposed as far as I'd be searching along this particular section. The overwhelming sediment accumulation destroying the collecting potential of the last beach was 100% absent here as were the olfactory accumulations of seaweed. Everything was just right for treasure hunting and I still had over an hour of daylight left! We set our feet a' flying and were soon hoofing our way through the crunching gravels. My pace was brisk as I planned to really begin my collecting at the far end of this particular beach and work my way forward. Two reasons for this, less people make the further trip and thus the best unspoiled collecting lay as far from the trailhead as possible, and the second reason, treasure! At the far end of the beach lay an area where crab fossils can be found and these I really, really like! As I walked, I came across several treasures including a dozen or two fossil snail sections. These examples were found both free of matrix and as specimens partially exposed from within carbonate concretions. I kept several of these including a nice 1 1/2 inch snail exposed as a cross section. These make neat specimens as the shell of the snails fluoresces brightly against its matrix under ultraviolet illumination. Another snail specimen is actually comprised of two individuals within one concretion nicely. At the end of the section I took a short rest/appreciation stop to take in the changing conditions around me. A new beach, still along the Strait and yet seemingly entirely unique and special. The way the waves crashed here more softly and with less force then at the other beach I'd just left. The way the light was changing as twilight took more of a hold on the evening. The way the lights started to shine on Vancouver Island, Canada; another Country and yet so very close. The wind had died down and the rain had softened a bit and I marveled that among all the billions of people on this planet, I was the only one here, soaking up all this magic, reveling in this special moment, smelling the salt water and the aroma of the wet green woods behind me, basking in the fading light of an average star nearly 93,000,000 miles away. I called Buddy over and fed him a handful of biscuits and poured him some fresh water while I soaked it all in. And while not that long ago, the impression of that evening is still stark and fresh in my mind a thing of magic! As the moment passed, the need to attend to my surroundings came to bear and I gathered up and again shouldered my pack, beginning the slow attentive walk back towards the trailhead looking for treasure. I worked steadily and was soon rewarded with my first prize, a nice crab bearing concretion, flatish and about 4 by 3 inches. Three other examples soon followed as did a couple neat chunks of fossil bone. Additionally, I found one agatized nautiloid, a cross sectioned shrimp claw and a few other pieces of this and that for the kids and then that was it and the trail called me home. In the falling darkness of a Monday evening, both Buddy and I slowly made our way back to the truck. We'd both had a great time. The day had been a success on many levels and while true, I never did find that killer-one-of-a-kind-specimen, I did perhaps find something more. If the memories stay with me, these will be the truest treasure I collected that day. It's good to be alive. All the very best in the New Year upcoming everyone, be safe and take care. Sincerely, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From info at wisdomofstones.com Thu Dec 29 05:19:56 2005 From: info at wisdomofstones.com (Wisdom of Stones) Date: Thu Dec 29 05:19:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] For those who enjoy jokes Message-ID: Am not sure if this web page has been shared already but I came across it last night and thought some of you might enjoy the jokes. Some are a bit off-color but more are just simply cute. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/5_1.html jennifer -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Anita D. Westlake Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:59 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades John: What a lovely, lyrical story. All the way here in Atlanta, Ga I could feel the ocean spray and smell the damp woods! Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria Cornish Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:44 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades 12/28/2005 The Light Slowly Fades By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com It always gets so crazy this time of year. The Holidays and then Tucson, a busy, busy time. I just had to get out! I've been hankering for an outing and finally just said the heck with it and packed the truck for a run. I was heading out west, out to the fossil deposits so near and dear lining the Strait of Juan de Fuca here in Washington State. The rain had been falling steadily over the last several weeks and it was a sure thing we'd have our fair share of liquid sunshine today too. But no bother, heck, here in Washington we mold before we tan, so after a bit of packing it was out the door we went, Buddy my dog and I. I'd thrown a pack together full of all the necessities; plastic bags, hammer, chisel, gloves, straps, water, food and vroom, vroom, vroom, off we went. The trip through Port Angeles and then further west through Joyce, was uneventful. There were very few cars on the road and the miles obscured by falling rain just sort of slipped by until with a slight turning of the wheel and the selection of a new gear, Buddy and I backed up, parking the truck just off the highway. I regrouped and repacked and then slung our gear over my shoulders and off we went. This initial part of our hike is sometimes quite a challenge as Buddy and I must first walk along side the highway before eventually dropping down through the woods, following the path leading to the beach. Thankfully, today's walk was a piece of cake, we never saw a car either coming or going. On other days, the road can be thick, not with cars usually, but with barreling logging trucks slapping gears and hauling butt. Buddy is a good boy and stays close heeding my commands fairly well, still, the quarters are tight and the trucks come up awfully quick. I'm always thankful when we hit the woods. With the rain we've had and were continuing to have, everything was sopping wet. Water dripped from all of the various shades of green and densely matted woody browns and little puddled lakes formed in the depressions of the trail. The clay rich sodden soils squelched and squirted as we half slipped, half walked, ever descending towards the beach below where breakers crashed, their muted sounds echoing through the trees. Buddy was off ahead of me, racing the trail and slinging clods of dirt with every pass and it was easy to let soft laughter slip out as the joy of the moment gushed from me, a joyous sound accompanied by his panting breaths. With my walking poles in hand, I followed his lead and together we both eventually made it to the beach. There the view swelled out breathtakingly. Panoramically the waters within the Strait danced and churned as the wind whipped them into a thing seemingly alive. The waves crashed, slapping the shores in bubbling, frothing surges or exploded against the hard black rock bastions slowly weathering along the shoreline. Sharp whites in fleeting sprays against shifting bluish gray. Tearing my eyes from the scene, I soon began walking, covering the ground steadily while casting a careful shifting, scanning gaze about to search out treasure from among the jumbled beach rubble. Masses of seaweed lay about here and there in clotted rotting piles cast up against beach logs by ghost like receding tides, their pungent odors wafting about in a scurrying wind. As we progressed down the beach it became ever more obvious that the areas I'd hoped to collect would not be exposed, and upon arrival as I suspected, these finest areas were buried. Huge accumulations of sediment are transported down to the beach terrain in this area each year during this time fed by a dozen swollen streams and the slowly bulging, ever-tumbling progressing fronts of innumerable small landslides. Likely it will take several months before collecting here will return to its prime, taking that long for the tides to wash these materials away. In the meantime, I'll just shift a bit and change my collecting focus. Originally I'd hoped to work fossil bearing strata still in place, but with these areas currently buried, my focus can now shift to work the materials transported within these fresh deposits. And more then anything, this means pseudomorphs. Pseudomorphs of calcite after aragonite are found at several localities where fossil bearing marine sediments are exposed along the Strait here in Clallam County, and while not the largest, those specimens found from this locality are among the most morphologically diverse known from any local area. Pseudomorph crystals of this type are most commonly recovered as doubly terminated slightly rotated dipyramids, however in addition to this, crystals from this locality are found here displaying a staggering array of twin forms. Studies involving these crystals is currently ongoing with the collaboration of scientists in Denmark. The abundant landslides in this area act as transport mechanisms depositing specimens from sediments above to the beach below. Here they are abused by the cycling tides and are prone to rapid wear. Sharp crystal faces become increasingly pitted and deformed from abrasion before eventually succumbing to this abuse, breaking and cleaving into smaller and smaller fragments until inevitable weathering destroys all traces of their existence. With the slides fresh and new, the potential for discovering pristine specimens was high and I was ready for the challenge. The best pseudomorphs are often found high up the beach against the bluffs. Here they are more or less protected, being attacked only during the highest tides. They are light, lighter than many of the other beach materials found here and this additionally aids in their discovery. Heavier materials settle quicker and deeper into the gravels through the natural sorting action of the waves while lighter materials rest higher in the assemblage. This is the case with the pseudomorphs and while looking, I spotted several resting right on the tops of the gravel piles. Many were already too worn to be considered specimens of relevancy, still, they make excellent give away material for the kids. After searching about a bit, I found my first keepers and eventually brought out two for us, though there certainly could have been others had I taken more time. Both specimens are between 1 and 2 inches in length and both are multiply twinned displaying sharp form. Real prizes. Additionally to this, I also found my first keeper fossil while searching the gravel piles. It's a rich-brown colored brittlestar coquina plate measuring about 2 x 2 inches. Brittlestars are exposed en mass on both the top and bottom surfaces of this little slab-like specimen comprised entirely of their fossil remains. With these treasures in hand and no chance of the other areas I'd hoped to work being exposed. I took note of the failing light of falling twilight and decided to make quick steps out of there in the hope of working another near-by locality found along a further section of beach. I gathered up my gear and slung my pack back onto my shoulders, called Buddy and together, we both began a rapid exit of the area. We pounded the beach and then slipped and slid our way up the trail before braving the road section back to the truck. There I threw the pack into the back, loaded us up, and started up the truck and drove to locality number two. Here eventually, we parked right along side the highway and again loaded up and began our trek through the woods to the beach. This section is much more heavily collected then the other area I'd just left and I was thrilled to find that we again had the entire place to ourselves. The trail in was much worse then the previous section we'd just hiked and was more a vast swamp then a trail. The mud was thick and clutched at one's foot while soupy waters threatened to find access to clean dry socks. I used my walking sticks heavily here and only had one near fall where I was lucky, catching myself with the sticks just before I crashed butt-first into the muck. And so, once again slipping and sliding, we eventually made our way down to the beach. And what a beautiful stretch it was. The gravel piles I hoped to collect lay high and dry exposed as far as I'd be searching along this particular section. The overwhelming sediment accumulation destroying the collecting potential of the last beach was 100% absent here as were the olfactory accumulations of seaweed. Everything was just right for treasure hunting and I still had over an hour of daylight left! We set our feet a' flying and were soon hoofing our way through the crunching gravels. My pace was brisk as I planned to really begin my collecting at the far end of this particular beach and work my way forward. Two reasons for this, less people make the further trip and thus the best unspoiled collecting lay as far from the trailhead as possible, and the second reason, treasure! At the far end of the beach lay an area where crab fossils can be found and these I really, really like! As I walked, I came across several treasures including a dozen or two fossil snail sections. These examples were found both free of matrix and as specimens partially exposed from within carbonate concretions. I kept several of these including a nice 1 1/2 inch snail exposed as a cross section. These make neat specimens as the shell of the snails fluoresces brightly against its matrix under ultraviolet illumination. Another snail specimen is actually comprised of two individuals within one concretion nicely. At the end of the section I took a short rest/appreciation stop to take in the changing conditions around me. A new beach, still along the Strait and yet seemingly entirely unique and special. The way the waves crashed here more softly and with less force then at the other beach I'd just left. The way the light was changing as twilight took more of a hold on the evening. The way the lights started to shine on Vancouver Island, Canada; another Country and yet so very close. The wind had died down and the rain had softened a bit and I marveled that among all the billions of people on this planet, I was the only one here, soaking up all this magic, reveling in this special moment, smelling the salt water and the aroma of the wet green woods behind me, basking in the fading light of an average star nearly 93,000,000 miles away. I called Buddy over and fed him a handful of biscuits and poured him some fresh water while I soaked it all in. And while not that long ago, the impression of that evening is still stark and fresh in my mind a thing of magic! As the moment passed, the need to attend to my surroundings came to bear and I gathered up and again shouldered my pack, beginning the slow attentive walk back towards the trailhead looking for treasure. I worked steadily and was soon rewarded with my first prize, a nice crab bearing concretion, flatish and about 4 by 3 inches. Three other examples soon followed as did a couple neat chunks of fossil bone. Additionally, I found one agatized nautiloid, a cross sectioned shrimp claw and a few other pieces of this and that for the kids and then that was it and the trail called me home. In the falling darkness of a Monday evening, both Buddy and I slowly made our way back to the truck. We'd both had a great time. The day had been a success on many levels and while true, I never did find that killer-one-of-a-kind-specimen, I did perhaps find something more. If the memories stay with me, these will be the truest treasure I collected that day. It's good to be alive. All the very best in the New Year upcoming everyone, be safe and take care. Sincerely, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From JScully216 at aol.com Thu Dec 29 07:37:21 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 29 07:37:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades Message-ID: <25c.469b428.30e55cb1@aol.com> It truly is good to be alive. Thanks for the lyrical report. 12/28/2005 The Light Slowly Fades By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com It always gets so crazy this time of year. The Holidays and then Tucson, a busy, busy time. I just had to get out! I've been hankering for an outing and finally just said the heck with it and packed the truck for a run. I was heading out west, out to the fossil deposits so near and dear lining the Strait of Juan de Fuca here in Washington State. The rain had been falling steadily over the last several weeks and it was a sure thing we'd have our fair share of liquid sunshine today too. But no bother, heck, here in Washington we mold before we tan, so after a bit of packing it was out the door we went, Buddy my dog and I. I'd thrown a pack together full of all the necessities; plastic bags, hammer, chisel, gloves, straps, water, food and vroom, vroom, vroom, off we went. The trip through Port Angeles and then further west through Joyce, was uneventful. There were very few cars on the road and the miles obscured by falling rain just sort of slipped by until with a slight turning of the wheel and the selection of a new gear, Buddy and I backed up, parking the truck just off the highway. I regrouped and repacked and then slung our gear over my shoulders and off we went. This initial part of our hike is sometimes quite a challenge as Buddy and I must first walk along side the highway before eventually dropping down through the woods, following the path leading to the beach. Thankfully, today's walk was a piece of cake, we never saw a car either coming or going. On other days, the road can be thick, not with cars usually, but with barreling logging trucks slapping gears and hauling butt. Buddy is a good boy and stays close heeding my commands fairly well, still, the quarters are tight and the trucks come up awfully quick. I'm always thankful when we hit the woods. With the rain we've had and were continuing to have, everything was sopping wet. Water dripped from all of the various shades of green and densely matted woody browns and little puddled lakes formed in the depressions of the trail. The clay rich sodden soils squelched and squirted as we half slipped, half walked, ever descending towards the beach below where breakers crashed, their muted sounds echoing through the trees. Buddy was off ahead of me, racing the trail and slinging clods of dirt with every pass and it was easy to let soft laughter slip out as the joy of the moment gushed from me, a joyous sound accompanied by his panting breaths. With my walking poles in hand, I followed his lead and together we both eventually made it to the beach. There the view swelled out breathtakingly. Panoramically the waters within the Strait danced and churned as the wind whipped them into a thing seemingly alive. The waves crashed, slapping the shores in bubbling, frothing surges or exploded against the hard black rock bastions slowly weathering along the shoreline. Sharp whites in fleeting sprays against shifting bluish gray. Tearing my eyes from the scene, I soon began walking, covering the ground steadily while casting a careful shifting, scanning gaze about to search out treasure from among the jumbled beach rubble. Masses of seaweed lay about here and there in clotted rotting piles cast up against beach logs by ghost like receding tides, their pungent odors wafting about in a scurrying wind. As we progressed down the beach it became ever more obvious that the areas I'd hoped to collect would not be exposed, and upon arrival as I suspected, these finest areas were buried. Huge accumulations of sediment are transported down to the beach terrain in this area each year during this time fed by a dozen swollen streams and the slowly bulging, ever-tumbling progressing fronts of innumerable small landslides. Likely it will take several months before collecting here will return to its prime, taking that long for the tides to wash these materials away. In the meantime, I'll just shift a bit and change my collecting focus. Originally I'd hoped to work fossil bearing strata still in place, but with these areas currently buried, my focus can now shift to work the materials transported within these fresh deposits. And more then anything, this means pseudomorphs. Pseudomorphs of calcite after aragonite are found at several localities where fossil bearing marine sediments are exposed along the Strait here in Clallam County, and while not the largest, those specimens found from this locality are among the most morphologically diverse known from any local area. Pseudomorph crystals of this type are most commonly recovered as doubly terminated slightly rotated dipyramids, however in addition to this, crystals from this locality are found here displaying a staggering array of twin forms. Studies involving these crystals is currently ongoing with the collaboration of scientists in Denmark. The abundant landslides in this area act as transport mechanisms depositing specimens from sediments above to the beach below. Here they are abused by the cycling tides and are prone to rapid wear. Sharp crystal faces become increasingly pitted and deformed from abrasion before eventually succumbing to this abuse, breaking and cleaving into smaller and smaller fragments until inevitable weathering destroys all traces of their existence. With the slides fresh and new, the potential for discovering pristine specimens was high and I was ready for the challenge. The best pseudomorphs are often found high up the beach against the bluffs. Here they are more or less protected, being attacked only during the highest tides. They are light, lighter than many of the other beach materials found here and this additionally aids in their discovery. Heavier materials settle quicker and deeper into the gravels through the natural sorting action of the waves while lighter materials rest higher in the assemblage. This is the case with the pseudomorphs and while looking, I spotted several resting right on the tops of the gravel piles. Many were already too worn to be considered specimens of relevancy, still, they make excellent give away material for the kids. After searching about a bit, I found my first keepers and eventually brought out two for us, though there certainly could have been others had I taken more time. Both specimens are between 1 and 2 inches in length and both are multiply twinned displaying sharp form. Real prizes. Additionally to this, I also found my first keeper fossil while searching the gravel piles. It's a rich-brown colored brittlestar coquina plate measuring about 2 x 2 inches. Brittlestars are exposed en mass on both the top and bottom surfaces of this little slab-like specimen comprised entirely of their fossil remains. With these treasures in hand and no chance of the other areas I'd hoped to work being exposed. I took note of the failing light of falling twilight and decided to make quick steps out of there in the hope of working another near-by locality found along a further section of beach. I gathered up my gear and slung my pack back onto my shoulders, called Buddy and together, we both began a rapid exit of the area. We pounded the beach and then slipped and slid our way up the trail before braving the road section back to the truck. There I threw the pack into the back, loaded us up, and started up the truck and drove to locality number two. Here eventually, we parked right along side the highway and again loaded up and began our trek through the woods to the beach. This section is much more heavily collected then the other area I'd just left and I was thrilled to find that we again had the entire place to ourselves. The trail in was much worse then the previous section we'd just hiked and was more a vast swamp then a trail. The mud was thick and clutched at one's foot while soupy waters threatened to find access to clean dry socks. I used my walking sticks heavily here and only had one near fall where I was lucky, catching myself with the sticks just before I crashed butt-first into the muck. And so, once again slipping and sliding, we eventually made our way down to the beach. And what a beautiful stretch it was. The gravel piles I hoped to collect lay high and dry exposed as far as I'd be searching along this particular section. The overwhelming sediment accumulation destroying the collecting potential of the last beach was 100% absent here as were the olfactory accumulations of seaweed. Everything was just right for treasure hunting and I still had over an hour of daylight left! We set our feet a' flying and were soon hoofing our way through the crunching gravels. My pace was brisk as I planned to really begin my collecting at the far end of this particular beach and work my way forward. Two reasons for this, less people make the further trip and thus the best unspoiled collecting lay as far from the trailhead as possible, and the second reason, treasure! At the far end of the beach lay an area where crab fossils can be found and these I really, really like! As I walked, I came across several treasures including a dozen or two fossil snail sections. These examples were found both free of matrix and as specimens partially exposed from within carbonate concretions. I kept several of these including a nice 1 1/2 inch snail exposed as a cross section. These make neat specimens as the shell of the snails fluoresces brightly against its matrix under ultraviolet illumination. Another snail specimen is actually comprised of two individuals within one concretion nicely. At the end of the section I took a short rest/appreciation stop to take in the changing conditions around me. A new beach, still along the Strait and yet seemingly entirely unique and special. The way the waves crashed here more softly and with less force then at the other beach I'd just left. The way the light was changing as twilight took more of a hold on the evening. The way the lights started to shine on Vancouver Island, Canada; another Country and yet so very close. The wind had died down and the rain had softened a bit and I marveled that among all the billions of people on this planet, I was the only one here, soaking up all this magic, reveling in this special moment, smelling the salt water and the aroma of the wet green woods behind me, basking in the fading light of an average star nearly 93,000,000 miles away. I called Buddy over and fed him a handful of biscuits and poured him some fresh water while I soaked it all in. And while not that long ago, the impression of that evening is still stark and fresh in my mind a thing of magic! As the moment passed, the need to attend to my surroundings came to bear and I gathered up and again shouldered my pack, beginning the slow attentive walk back towards the trailhead looking for treasure. I worked steadily and was soon rewarded with my first prize, a nice crab bearing concretion, flatish and about 4 by 3 inches. Three other examples soon followed as did a couple neat chunks of fossil bone. Additionally, I found one agatized nautiloid, a cross sectioned shrimp claw and a few other pieces of this and that for the kids and then that was it and the trail called me home. In the falling darkness of a Monday evening, both Buddy and I slowly made our way back to the truck. We'd both had a great time. The day had been a success on many levels and while true, I never did find that killer-one-of-a-kind-specimen, I did perhaps find something more. If the memories stay with me, these will be the truest treasure I collected that day. It's good to be alive. All the very best in the New Year upcoming everyone, be safe and take care. Sincerely, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 29 08:45:57 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 29 08:45:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Dominican Republic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Hilmar, there's a special variety found there taht they call "blue amber". I think (not sure though) that the blue color is caused by fluorescence in daylight. Common amber fluoresces tan to yellowish under both LW and SW UV but the blue amber has a bluish grey tint. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens hkrocke Verzonden: woensdag 28 december 2005 20:47 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Re: Dominican Republic I will be going to the Dominican Republic next month for a holiday. Is anybody out there who has first hand experience regarding collecting Amber there. Is it possible to collect some yourself or not ? Any Information would be appreciated. Hilmar _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Dec 29 10:21:32 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Dec 29 10:21:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] For those who enjoy jokes Message-ID: <122920051821.25682.43B4292B0002A6E100006452215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Jennifer, That's a long, long web page of geology jokes, and they are a mixed bag, a lot of them are "old hat" and repetititve, but I found, scrolling down about 2/3 of the way through the list, a really good one "Things to do in a geology exam when you know you'll fail anyways"--check it out, folks on the list. The item following it, "Geology and mineralogy test", is fun too (it's tongue-in-cheek, as you'll see). Thanks for posting & sharing the link, Jennifer! P.S., which reminds me, if some of you may not have looked at this site, "About Geology" has, in addition to a lot of very good information on just about every imaginable geology-related topic, a series of "geo-quizzes" which are fun and very informative to take, on various topics (which include minerals, gems, volcanoes, geology, etc.). The site is on the web at http://geology.about.com/ Happy New Year to all, Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "Wisdom of Stones" : -------------- > Am not sure if this web page has been shared already but I came across it > last night and thought some of you might enjoy the jokes. Some are a bit > off-color but more are just simply cute. > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/5_1.html > > jennifer > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Thu Dec 29 10:30:30 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Dec 29 10:31:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall Mountains) In-Reply-To: <200512290738.jBT7cnXq013623@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512290738.jBT7cnXq013623@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, The helvite crystals included in the topaz are large enough to see the shape without magification, the beryl/apatite is kind of borderline. I can see that it is prismatic, but not really that it is hex with second order faces without magnification. From what I've noticed, "layers" of crystals that are numerous enough to cause a phantom are typically too small to really see well without magnification. Often they are distinct crystals though. Of course they do range up to "large," but usually if large, there are fewer, and thus they probably don't show the phantom form of the host crystal well. I'm a real nut for inclusions. One of my favorites is one I polished. No freaking out everyone, I only polish broken pieces! I like to cut freeform "gems" out of broken pieces with inclusions. One of the best was a total surprise. It is piece of quartz from the Snowbird Mine, Montana (the parisite locality). Some of the quartz crystals there have phantoms formed by tiny pyrite crystals. One pocket I encountered produced a couple of these crystals that were shattered, lots of shards with a single layer of pyrite in them. One of these pieces was about 1 x 1 x 2 cm. It was very clear, and I could see the pyrite layer. I washed the rest of the red (nasty red mud which does wonderful things to shirts you would like "field tie dyed" as you collect), but didn't really look at it as I proceeded to rough shape it, sand it and polish it. My surprise after sanding to see that it has a calcite crystal penetrating the pyrite layer. It's an interesting and unsual polished gem, but would have been an incredible mineral specimen if it hadn't been a broken piece. Regards, Lanny On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:36 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > Hi Lanny, > > I'll definitely let everyone know IF I find out what it is. > > Your inclusion specimens sound great. Are the inclusions big enough to > see > without too much magnification? > > I forgot that phantoms are often (or usually) caused by coatings of a > different mineral. I guess I was thinking that the coating is made up > of > dust and might be too small to be crystals, but crystals can be very > tiny. > :-) > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:58 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall > Mountains) > > Hi Bob, > > Good question about the inclusion; if you come up with anything other > than your and Pete's belief of fluorite, let us know. > > As to inclusions worldwide, the list would be nearly endless. I find it > interesting that inclusions rarely make it to the "top shelf" category. > Although one obvious reason is that most inclusions are rather small > and often not a major feature of a mineral specimen. > > Close to your subject of included topaz in the Tarryalls are a couple > specimens of mine: 1) topaz from the Sawtooth Mountains of Idaho with > inclusions of helvite. Topaz is fairly common in the Sawtooth > Mountains, and helvite is uncommon, so that wasn't too big of a > surprise. The helvites are tiny, sharp, cinnamon colored tetrahedrons. > > 2) The other is a topaz crystal with what appears to be an inclusion of > beryl. The light color and habit is of a tiny doubly terminated > hexagonal crystal that looks exactly like the aquamarine crystals of > the area (but also like apatite, which is very rare in the Sawtooths). > Originally I guessed the inclusion was beryl because beryl is common in > the area. Fluorapatite was found later, and only two occurrences of it > have been reported in cavities there, and neither were in topaz-bearing > cavities. Beryl (aquamarine in the Sawtooths) is common, mostly as a > coating on joint surfaces and inclusions in the granite in some areas > (practically a rock-forming mineral), and has been found in quite a few > cavities as good, gemmy crystals. The problem is that in the Sawtooth > Mountains, as in other worldwide topaz- and beryl-bearing pegmatites, > beryl rarely occurs in the same cavity as topaz, even though both may > be common in the host rock. > > Other topaz crystals in the Sawtooth Mountains have inclusions of > hematite and albite, both minerals common in the area. > > As to your question and comment about phantoms. Phantoms are often > formed by the inclusion of a second mineral. As you mentioned, phantoms > are most commonly formed by growth differences in a mineral, most often > reflected only because of the color variation, they are also commonly > caused by the inclusions of a second mineral. Pyrite and hematite often > forms phantoms in quartz, fluorite and calcite. These represent the > deposition of tiny crystals of the second mineral on the termination > faces, and/or other faces, of the mineral, then continued growth of the > primary mineral. > > As to garnet occurring as an inclusion in topaz. It should be able too. > Spessartine (and probably almandine-spessartine) occurs in cavities > with topaz, so it seems likely that it could be an inclusion. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > >> ,,, > >> So now I have a couple questions: >> >> 1... >> >> 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and >> not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, >> I >> mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal >> (not a >> "phantom"). For example: >> >> * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals >> * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years >> ago) >> * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area >> mines >> in the U.S.) >> >> Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the >> same >> mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. >> >> As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If >> all >> else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to >> figure >> it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I >> don't have >> a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I >> can't show >> it to everyone on the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly >> Hanson >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM >> To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors' >> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered >> >> Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became >> a >> collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. >> Kelly >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob >> Loeffler >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM >> To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors' >> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered >> >> >> Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! >> >> I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall >> Mountains of >> Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find >> anything. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob Loeffler >> BobL@peaktopeak.com >> Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster >> North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) >> http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php >> >> Dealer Chairman and Webmaster >> Denver Gem and Mineral Show >> http://www.DenverMineralShow.com >> >> Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: >> http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of >> FOSSILNUT@aol.com >> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered >> >> >> Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at >> several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. >> You can >> >> confirm this if you wish. >> >> This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. >> Anyway a >> picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday >> and a >> "Hidey Ho" to all. >> >> >> _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ >> (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) >> >> >> Gene Hartstein >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> message/rfc822 >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Dec 29 11:35:40 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Dec 29 11:35:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall Mountains) Message-ID: <122920051935.16863.43B43A88000245C0000041DF215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Bob, Lanny, etc., List, Bob, mica as you suggest is certainly a possibility for the inclusions in Tarryall topaz, too. Of course, any minerals found in the granite peg's with the topaz, is a possible candidate. As I/we said, it can be very tricky to tell the real color, and even shape, of inclusions, with all the reflection & refraction going on. One can also have "negative crystal" inclusions which are just hollow bubbles, faceted from development of inward-facing crystal faces of the host mineral. Though they are hollow, it can be hard, from the reflections and all, to tell if they really have any color or have anything in them. Phantoms can be quite "solid" crusts of minerals, or just fine dust, or just bands of color zoning (as in some amethyst or fluorite) with no mineral inclusions at all. And going back to which minerals might form inclusions in the topaz, garnet is just not a mineral found in the pegmatites of the Pikes Peak Granite. It's interesting, the differences in minerals present in different kinds of pegmatites. In Colorado, other, older pegmatites found within the older Precambrian rocks of the Front Range (1.7 to 1.3 billion years, whereas the Pikes Peak granite & peg's are 1.0-1.1 billion), often contain garnet (almandine-spessartine), black (schorl) tourmaline, beryl, and muscovite, whereas all of these minerals are pretty much absent from the Pikes Peak peg's; those these in turn contain topaz, fluorite, goethite, zinnwaldite, and so on. Those other, older pegmatites probably formed at a deeper level, and evidently from magma that was richer in boron and beryllium but much poorer in fluorine. Pete -------------- Original message from Lanny : -------------- > Hi Bob, > > The helvite crystals included in the topaz are large enough to see the > shape without magification, the beryl/apatite is kind of borderline. I > can see that it is prismatic, but not really that it is hex with second > order faces without magnification. > > From what I've noticed, "layers" of crystals that are numerous enough > to cause a phantom are typically too small to really see well without > magnification. Often they are distinct crystals though. Of course they > do range up to "large," but usually if large, there are fewer, and thus > they probably don't show the phantom form of the host crystal well. > > I'm a real nut for inclusions. One of my favorites is one I polished. > No freaking out everyone, I only polish broken pieces! I like to cut > freeform "gems" out of broken pieces with inclusions. One of the best > was a total surprise. It is piece of quartz from the Snowbird Mine, > Montana (the parisite locality). Some of the quartz crystals there have > phantoms formed by tiny pyrite crystals. One pocket I encountered > produced a couple of these crystals that were shattered, lots of shards > with a single layer of pyrite in them. One of these pieces was about 1 > x 1 x 2 cm. It was very clear, and I could see the pyrite layer. I > washed the rest of the red (nasty red mud which does wonderful things > to shirts you would like "field tie dyed" as you collect), but didn't > really look at it as I proceeded to rough shape it, sand it and polish > it. My surprise after sanding to see that it has a calcite crystal > penetrating the pyrite layer. It's an interesting and unsual polished > gem, but would have been an incredible mineral specimen if it hadn't > been a broken piece. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:36 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > > > Hi Lanny, > > > > I'll definitely let everyone know IF I find out what it is. > > > > Your inclusion specimens sound great. Are the inclusions big enough to > > see > > without too much magnification? > > > > I forgot that phantoms are often (or usually) caused by coatings of a > > different mineral. I guess I was thinking that the coating is made up > > of > > dust and might be too small to be crystals, but crystals can be very > > tiny. > > :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:58 AM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Inclusions and phantoms (was Tarryall > > Mountains) > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > Good question about the inclusion; if you come up with anything other > > than your and Pete's belief of fluorite, let us know. > > > > As to inclusions worldwide, the list would be nearly endless. I find it > > interesting that inclusions rarely make it to the "top shelf" category. > > Although one obvious reason is that most inclusions are rather small > > and often not a major feature of a mineral specimen. > > > > Close to your subject of included topaz in the Tarryalls are a couple > > specimens of mine: 1) topaz from the Sawtooth Mountains of Idaho with > > inclusions of helvite. Topaz is fairly common in the Sawtooth > > Mountains, and helvite is uncommon, so that wasn't too big of a > > surprise. The helvites are tiny, sharp, cinnamon colored tetrahedrons. > > > > 2) The other is a topaz crystal with what appears to be an inclusion of > > beryl. The light color and habit is of a tiny doubly terminated > > hexagonal crystal that looks exactly like the aquamarine crystals of > > the area (but also like apatite, which is very rare in the Sawtooths). > > Originally I guessed the inclusion was beryl because beryl is common in > > the area. Fluorapatite was found later, and only two occurrences of it > > have been reported in cavities there, and neither were in topaz-bearing > > cavities. Beryl (aquamarine in the Sawtooths) is common, mostly as a > > coating on joint surfaces and inclusions in the granite in some areas > > (practically a rock-forming mineral), and has been found in quite a few > > cavities as good, gemmy crystals. The problem is that in the Sawtooth > > Mountains, as in other worldwide topaz- and beryl-bearing pegmatites, > > beryl rarely occurs in the same cavity as topaz, even though both may > > be common in the host rock. > > > > Other topaz crystals in the Sawtooth Mountains have inclusions of > > hematite and albite, both minerals common in the area. > > > > As to your question and comment about phantoms. Phantoms are often > > formed by the inclusion of a second mineral. As you mentioned, phantoms > > are most commonly formed by growth differences in a mineral, most often > > reflected only because of the color variation, they are also commonly > > caused by the inclusions of a second mineral. Pyrite and hematite often > > forms phantoms in quartz, fluorite and calcite. These represent the > > deposition of tiny crystals of the second mineral on the termination > > faces, and/or other faces, of the mineral, then continued growth of the > > primary mineral. > > > > As to garnet occurring as an inclusion in topaz. It should be able too. > > Spessartine (and probably almandine-spessartine) occurs in cavities > > with topaz, so it seems likely that it could be an inclusion. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lanny > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: > > > >> ,,, > > > >> So now I have a couple questions: > >> > >> 1... > >> > >> 2. Maybe a topic for a new thread: What are the famous (well-known and > >> not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens of the world? By this, > >> I > >> mean a mineral crystal within a *different* type of mineral crystal > >> (not a > >> "phantom"). For example: > >> > >> * Rutile crystal inclusions in Quartz crystals > >> * Fluorite crystals in Quartz crystals (from a new find around 2 years > >> ago) > >> * Chalcopyrite crystals in Fluorite crystals (from the tri-state area > >> mines > >> in the U.S.) > >> > >> Phantoms are cool, but (please correct me if I'm wrong), they are the > >> same > >> mineral and show the growth layers of the crystal. > >> > >> As soon as I find out for sure what it is, I'll let the list know. If > >> all > >> else fails, I'll talk to Pete Modreski. :-) I'm sure he has ways to > >> figure > >> it out and he is only a few miles away from me. Unfortunately, I > >> don't have > >> a camera that can take pictures of micro crystal inclusions, so I > >> can't show > >> it to everyone on the list. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kelly > >> Hanson > >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:32 PM > >> To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> collectors' > >> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > >> > >> Bob I look forward to the report. I lived in Colorado before I became > >> a > >> collector so I don't know what I missed when I was there. > >> Kelly > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob > >> Loeffler > >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:22 AM > >> To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> collectors' > >> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > >> > >> > >> Mr. Hankey rules! Merry Christmas, everyone!!!! > >> > >> I'm going digging for topaz crystals tomorrow in the Tarryall > >> Mountains of > >> Colorado, so I'll post a report in the next few days if I find > >> anything. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Bob Loeffler > >> BobL@peaktopeak.com > >> Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster > >> North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) > >> http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > >> > >> Dealer Chairman and Webmaster > >> Denver Gem and Mineral Show > >> http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > >> > >> Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: > >> http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > >> FOSSILNUT@aol.com > >> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:56 PM > >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Odd Coprolite Discovered > >> > >> > >> Recently I came across an odd but striking coprolite. After looking at > >> several sources including the Internet, I believe I now have an ID. > >> You can > >> > >> confirm this if you wish. > >> > >> This appears to be a progenitor to Mr. Hanky of South Park fame. > >> Anyway a > >> picture is worth a thousand words, so here goes and a happy holiday > >> and a > >> "Hidey Ho" to all. > >> > >> > >> _http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html_ > >> (http://hometown.aol.com/fossilnut/page10.html) > >> > >> > >> Gene Hartstein > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> message/rfc822 > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 12:25:33 2005 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scott Blair) Date: Thu Dec 29 12:25:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Panamint Valley References: <122920051935.16863.43B43A88000245C0000041DF215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Dear list: I originally posted this reply in response to a query on the LA Rocks list, but thought this list might enjoy it too. The question was where to collect in the Searles, Panamint, and Owens Valleys, in southern California. I've done more walking than setting my pick in the ground out in those parts (because its vast open terrain) but I know a little bit about the area. One of the best bets is connecting with the Searles Lake Gem & Mineral Club. Jim and Bonnie Fairchild run the annual (always the 2nd weekend in October) gem show and field trips out onto Searles Lake. The lake is otherwise closed to collecting, but during the show, three field trips are set up with different collecting opportunities. The pink halite trip is well worth it. You can recover some incredible specimens if you persevere, and have a bit of luck. Here's the website: http://www1.iwvisp.com/tronagemclub/ I've collected a bit here and there on the west side of Panamint Valley. I should say that I don't know about the current collecting status, but in years past, roads were open, and there were no postings. Driving north from Trona, on the Trona Wildrose road, you crest a little rise that divides Searles Valley from Panamint Valley. Coming down into Panamint Valley, look to the west, and you will see some old mine junk sitting off on the hillside. Turn left, down the road that heads to this old mine (there used to be a sign marked Red OX Mine) and there is a little drusy chrysocolla on the dump. You can even see the dump from the main road, so its not far. I also found a little rainbow colored turgite on the dump. One year two rockhounds found some nice looking pastel blue, green, and white skins, all swirled together like watercolors on rock from the wall, back up behind the dumps. Be careful, it's crumbly and dangerous. A friend of mine fell and broke a rib while exploring on the road up to the ridgeline above the mine dump here. There was supposedly a blue silica pit up there, but I could never find so much as a chip. There is some good quality green onyx available by taking the Nadeau Road, north about 3 1/2 miles, and then turning left onto and unmarked dirt road which leads about 3 miles up to a ruined mill site. The onyx is up on the low knob just above the ruins. Bring hard rock tools. We also found some nice colored chrysocolla in Snow Canyon, accessed from the Panamint Valley Road. One member of the SLGMS contends that there is a chrysocolla site in Snow Canyon where you could fill up a pickup truck but we never found that particular site. It's a big canyon. My dog Chewy once chased some wild burros up one side of this canyon and down the other. He took off like a shot after them, and disappeared. After awhile I saw him moving more slowly, the burros well ahead and pacing him. He finally came loping and lagging back, face completely lathered. A burro brayed from afar. He looked up sheepishly at me, just like he had suddenly realized what a fool he was. There is some similar mineralization at the Minnietta and Modoc mines to the north, accessed off of the Panamint Valley Road, but I never found much to stand up and crow about. One year there was an old miner who had set up camp in this area. I pulled up and asked him what he was mining for. His reply came sharply, "You never ask a miner what he's mining for, boy". So I assumed it was gold. Only the yellow metal seems to make men crazy like that. I wandered on up canyon and actually found a one dollar bill at the entrance to one of the old mine adits. It seemed to indicate that there was money available in them thar hills, but probably not a whole lot. (smiles) Going west on 190, from Panamint Valley Road, we found some nice galena, and interesting micros of Linerite, among other things up in some of the dumps on Zinc Hill, accessed via the Old Toll Road, just west of Panamint Springs Inn. We also saw a rattlesnake here. I believe most of the dumps are now protected by the expansion of the boundary of Death Valley National Monument. But I never four-wheeled it up over the ridge to drop down into the Darwin Hills, on the west side, which are outside the Monument, and riddled with mines. That's for someone with more water, gas, and time than me. Despite the closures, one should just go here anyway, to watch the late afternoon sun falling on endless furrowed hills in total silence. It's one of my favorite views in this empty little part of the world. Good fortune in the New Year! Regards - Scott Blair From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 12:36:16 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Dec 29 12:36:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] coprolites Message-ID: <20051229203616.45332.qmail@web34610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: The happy coprolite gag was pretty funny, and it reminds me of a story. Back in the early 90s we visited, in succession, Dinosaur National Monument in far NE Utah, then Fossil Butte National Monument in SW WY, then up to the Tetons and yellowstone for a long week. HArd to tell which was the best, they are all so good. Anyway, around Fossil Butte there are a lot of rockhound-oriented tourists, so there are a lot of rock shops, that concentrate on locally available rocks, mostly fossils. We (my wife and I, remember, we're from West Virginia, a coal mining state if there ever was one) were visiting a small rock and gift shop, operated mostly by the wife, and supplied in part by the coal miner husband. We're browsing and chatting with the nice lady in charge out front, when from the workshop in back comes the guy's voice: "Honey, you should see the neat coprolite I found, it's so distinct you can see the squeeze marks!" She was a little embarrased (OK, really, really!!), and said something like "Please don't take offense, he's just a country coal miner!" My wife broke up laughing, and said, "Not a chance, I'm a coal miner's daughter, and he's a coal miner's grandson!" A very good laugh was had by all. Near Vernal, Utah there was (maybe still is, I hope) a rockshop called Sliverpick, my wife and I visited it, and then 4 or 5 years later my rockhound buddy and I visited it after spending a couple of weeks prospecting in Colorado. We had spent a long day around Bonanza CO, a few miles south of Pancha Springs, mostly at a mine I think was called the Rawlay (or perhaps Rawleigh?). At SliverPick, I noticed a big slab of galena marked as being from the Rawlay mine, and asked about it. It turns out that the guy running the shop was the last miner at the mine, and was there alone (more or less as a watchman) when the power company showed up to pull the transformers. He said he talked them into giving him a few more hours of power to shut off things, and drain vats and things which would have been damaged by freezing, and then shut everything down and left, short a month's pay. Too typical of how all mines close, they just peter out, each new owner a little less capable of doing things correctly, cutting corners a little sharper, and then one day the utilities get shut off, and then everyone knows they've been layed off. At the Rawley mine, this happened back in the 1930s, so Silverpick may have been exagerating a little, or he was even older than I thought at the time. Now I wish I'd bought that big old galena rock! I will be in Tucson the last couple days of January, if anyone else will be there selling or just looking, let me know off-list and i'll look forward to seeing you, maybe even dinner and a beer. JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lynn.p.h at comcast.net Thu Dec 29 13:14:11 2005 From: lynn.p.h at comcast.net (Lynn Pacione-Holman) Date: Thu Dec 29 13:14:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades In-Reply-To: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> References: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <43B451A3.3010800@comcast.net> Hello John, Gloria! Been too long since we saw each other, but I *always* enjoy your detailed, descriptive field trip reports! I'm suffering from rockhound withdrawal pangs (normal for this time of the year), and I know what finally drove you to go out and muddle around in the omnipresent rain and fog. *chuckle* Wish we coulda been there with you, with old dawg Kodi keeping Buddy company, and me doing a credible imitation of a terrier digging along with you! :-D Take care, and hopefully we'll see ya' again soon! Hugs and hopes for a great New Year! - Lynn (and Jeff and Kodi) From rockcurrier at cs.com Thu Dec 29 14:46:42 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Thu Dec 29 14:30:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions References: <200512291540.jBTFeiVe004319@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <003e01c60cc9$bdc32340$6401a8c0@rock3> In response to Bob's question: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens. Among mineral collectors probably the two best known and sought after inclusions for display collections are the rutile in quartz specimens from Bahia, Brazil and the pyrite crystals in quartz from Minas Gerais in the same country. More specifically the most highly sought after rutile in quartz specimens are the hematite stars with epitaxially oriented golden rutile growing on them. The good examples of these can bring thousands of dollars and are often cut up and made into cabochons and jewelry. The best ones show more or less flat laying plates of hematite up to perhaps almost an inch with golden rutile needles oriented on the rutile shooting out from the black rutile. For many years, and probably still, the best quartz specimens including quartz specimens have come from Minas Gerais and are clear quartz crystals, almost always with some damage with well formed pyrite crystals up to perhaps almost a half an inch floating inside the clear quartz. The best one currently belongs to Pete Bancroft of Fallbrook, California. These came out mostly before the Second World War. Efforts were made to mine the original locality for more specimens, but very little was found. About ten years ago some very nice specimens were found of well formed quartz crystals containing inclusions of pyrite. The quartz was in better shape than the original find, but the quartz was not nearly as transparent and many of the pyrite crystals were altered to limonite. There are vastly many more examples of crystals included in other crystals. Once the crystals become small, they are cherished only by micromounters and mineralogists looking for unusual things. Almost always we neglect to say we mean crystals included inside of transparent host minerals. The world is full of crystals inside of opaque minerals and rocks. The Andes mountains are full of andesite crystals included in the volcanic rock that makes up many of the mountains there. Crystals included in opaque minerals would make an entire book or more probably many books. Some years ago when the new age movement started I had so many requests for quartz crystals I finally broke down and went into the sandstone areas of Minas Gerais state and started to buy quartz crystals for my customers. Very shortly it became evident that there were not enough undamaged long thin hand held quartz crystals to supply the need so I also started to buy quartz crystals that had been cut and polished or repaired by the lapidary processes. Some of the crystals had interesting inclusions. Soon I found that there was a good market for the quartz crystals that had interesting inclusions and began to import quantities of them. I also could not help pick out a few each trip for my own collection. For a while I and a couple of partners ran a quartz crystal mine in the hills outside of Joaquim Felicio that produced fine green phantoms inside of quartz crystals. We had them polished up and sold thousands of them to collectors, jewelry makers and the new age crowd. I think that this area of the world produces the best and greatest variety of quartz inclusions in the world. From around Crystalina, south of Brazilia there were some very nice clear quartz crystals that had inclusions of stout black reticulated prismatic crystals terminated rutile crystals that were quite striking. From near the down airport in Belo Horizonte, a guy was digging a septic tank and ran into clear quartz crystals that had crystals of pink fluorite inside them up to about 2 cm. I managed to snag a couple of those for my collection. Some times you can get quartz crystals from China that have Cinnabar inside of them. Jaraslov Hershyl and friends recently published a book about inclusions that is quite good and had many pictures showing outstanding crystals with inclusions, mostly quartz with inclusions. Rock From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Dec 29 12:45:36 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Dec 29 14:50:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades References: <43B35B6F.6010404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <002301c60cb8$d6d90360$0300a8c0@otie> John, Thanks once again for a wonderful report. It reminded me of some great (if rather soggy) winter collecting in the NW. One of my favorites was a trip to K-M Mountain (Washington) in the pouring rain. My main dog and I got drenched and covered with mud, but the storm had eroded out several prize crab concretions while keeping the casual collectors at home. Write on - John From kahako at verizon.net Thu Dec 29 16:07:25 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Dec 29 16:07:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] aurora gallery (OT) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051229140258.0365d3e8@incoming.verizon.net> Hi List, For those of you interested in astronomy and meteorology the following website has many gorgeous photos of auroras. It's not rockhounding, but they sure are purty! Aloha, Kitty http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Dec 29 18:17:10 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Dec 29 18:32:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions References: <200512291540.jBTFeiVe004319@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <003e01c60cc9$bdc32340$6401a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <001401c60ce7$2437c050$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> A member of our local geology club regularly goes to Columbia to collect. (His wife is Columbian and they go down to spend a few weeks with her family.) He visits mines and markets in the region and brings back quartz, emeralds, etc. This year he brought back quartz colored green from epidote inclusions. Sometimes getting out in the field involves some personal risk -- between the guerillas, the police and the army. A couple years ago, he described going out to a mine and seeing some incredible Arkansas-type quartz with gold CRYSTALS inside them!!! Unfortunately, since the government confiscates any and all gold, the mine owner (and my acquaintance) couldn't get them out because there was no way to obscure the crystals as to hide the rich gold inside. If he tried to sneak it out and was caught, the specimens would be confiscated and he would have been arrested. I'll have to ask him if he has talked with or visited this particular miner in the past couple of years. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions > In response to Bob's question: What are the famous (well-known and > > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens. > > Among mineral collectors probably the two best known and sought after > inclusions for display collections are the rutile in quartz specimens from > Bahia, Brazil and the pyrite crystals in quartz from Minas Gerais in the > same country. More specifically the most highly sought after rutile in > quartz specimens are the hematite stars with epitaxially oriented golden > rutile growing on them. The good examples of these can bring thousands of > dollars and are often cut up and made into cabochons and jewelry. The best > ones show more or less flat laying plates of hematite up to perhaps almost > an inch with golden rutile needles oriented on the rutile shooting out > from > the black rutile. For many years, and probably still, the best quartz > specimens including quartz specimens have come from Minas Gerais and are > clear quartz crystals, almost always with some damage with well formed > pyrite crystals up to perhaps almost a half an inch floating inside the > clear quartz. The best one currently belongs to Pete Bancroft of > Fallbrook, > California. These came out mostly before the Second World War. Efforts > were > made to mine the original locality for more specimens, but very little was > found. About ten years ago some very nice specimens were found of well > formed quartz crystals containing inclusions of pyrite. The quartz was in > better shape than the original find, but the quartz was not nearly as > transparent and many of the pyrite crystals were altered to limonite. > There are vastly many more examples of crystals included in other > crystals. Once the crystals become small, they are cherished only by > micromounters and mineralogists looking for unusual things. Almost always > we > neglect to say we mean crystals included inside of transparent host > minerals. The world is full of crystals inside of opaque minerals and > rocks. > The Andes mountains are full of andesite crystals included in the volcanic > rock that makes up many of the mountains there. Crystals included in > opaque > minerals would make an entire book or more probably many books. > Some years ago when the new age movement started I had so many requests > for quartz crystals I finally broke down and went into the sandstone areas > of Minas Gerais state and started to buy quartz crystals for my customers. > Very shortly it became evident that there were not enough undamaged long > thin hand held quartz crystals to supply the need so I also started to buy > quartz crystals that had been cut and polished or repaired by the lapidary > processes. Some of the crystals had interesting inclusions. Soon I found > that there was a good market for the quartz crystals that had interesting > inclusions and began to import quantities of them. I also could not help > pick out a few each trip for my own collection. For a while I and a couple > of partners ran a quartz crystal mine in the hills outside of Joaquim > Felicio that produced fine green phantoms inside of quartz crystals. We > had > them polished up and sold thousands of them to collectors, jewelry makers > and the new age crowd. I think that this area of the world produces the > best and greatest variety of quartz inclusions in the world. > From around Crystalina, south of Brazilia there were some very nice > clear quartz crystals that had inclusions of stout black reticulated > prismatic crystals terminated rutile crystals that were quite striking. > From > near the down airport in Belo Horizonte, a guy was digging a septic tank > and > ran into clear quartz crystals that had crystals of pink fluorite inside > them up to about 2 cm. I managed to snag a couple of those for my > collection. Some times you can get quartz crystals from China that have > Cinnabar inside of them. > Jaraslov Hershyl and friends recently published a book about inclusions > that is quite good and had many pictures showing outstanding crystals with > inclusions, mostly quartz with inclusions. > Rock > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 20:13:21 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Thu Dec 29 20:13:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 19, Issue 30 In-Reply-To: <200512300203.jBU22wVd013600@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20051230041321.5979.qmail@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Scott for posting these notes on the Panamint Valley collecting. Great entry for the files. tjt Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:25:33 -0800 From: "Scott Blair" Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Panamint Valley To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Dear list: I originally posted this reply in response to a query on the LA Rocks list, but thought this list might enjoy it too. The question was where to collect in the Searles, Panamint, and Owens Valleys, in southern California. I've done more walking than setting my pick in the ground out in those parts (because its vast open terrain) but I know a little bit about the area --SNIP-- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at mindspring.com Thu Dec 29 20:50:04 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Thu Dec 29 20:48:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana In-Reply-To: <122820050426.11258.43B213DF0005B2A500002BFA22007348309D0A0301010D9B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Tanya, Don't lurk. *s* You weren't in error. The Louisiana eq's still there on the Central US list: http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/cus/index.html And info for all quakes 8-30 days ago is here, and your quake is there too: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/ Carol Carol J. Bova http://www.eclecticlapidary.com On Tuesday, December 27, 2005, at 11:26 PM, tboomer@comcast.net wrote: > Rockhounds, > In reviewing the following link again, I noted that the seismic > activity previously reported in Louisiana was removed. My only > thought is that it was originally placed there in error. Honestly, it > was there last week. I think I'll go back to lurking. > Tanya > > -------------------------- > From: tboomer@comcast.net > Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:46:15 +0000 > > Hello Rockhounds, > I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have > learned quite > a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would > appreciate > your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic > activity in > Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island > area. > check it out: > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.- > 90_frames.html > Tanya > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From bova at mindspring.com Thu Dec 29 20:56:40 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Thu Dec 29 20:55:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana/ Terraserver question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, hit send instead of deleting a draft that wasn't sent from the other day... As long as I'm here... on the Terraserver topo maps, at what elevation will the contour lines start to show up? Thanks, Carol On Thursday, December 29, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Carol J. Bova wrote: > Tanya, > Don't lurk. *s* You weren't in error. > > The Louisiana eq's still there on the Central US list: > http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/cus/index.html > > And info for all quakes 8-30 days ago is here, and your quake is there > too: > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/ > Carol > > Carol J. Bova > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2005, at 11:26 PM, tboomer@comcast.net wrote: > >> Rockhounds, >> In reviewing the following link again, I noted that the seismic >> activity previously reported in Louisiana was removed. My only >> thought is that it was originally placed there in error. Honestly, >> it was there last week. I think I'll go back to lurking. >> Tanya >> >> -------------------------- >> From: tboomer@comcast.net >> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:46:15 +0000 >> >> Hello Rockhounds, >> I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have >> learned quite >> a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would >> appreciate >> your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic >> activity in >> Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas Island >> area. >> check it out: >> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.- >> 90_frames.html > >> Tanya >> > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Fri Dec 30 08:24:11 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Dec 30 08:24:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Light Slowly Fades 2 Message-ID: <43B55F2B.5090902@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, I'd really like to thank you all for taking the time to reply to my latest paper. This one must have hit some common chord as this paper has generated more comments then any I can remember. I'm thankful that this hobby-run-amok of mine can be shared and that some enjoyment can be gleaned from my experiences. We're the lucky ones you and I, we've a keen insight into the fascinating and the wondrous. The treasures that surround, rather fossil or mineral, each outing and discovery rings a pure peal of joy from us and I wish these types of natural "highs" were more well known to the masses as I always feel a tad more humble and thankful with a bit of dirt under my nails and covering my hands. Life is a gift, wallow in it! Wallow: to live or be filled with excessive pleasure All the very best everyone, take care, John From bobl at peaktopeak.com Fri Dec 30 08:59:52 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Dec 30 09:01:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions In-Reply-To: <003e01c60cc9$bdc32340$6401a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <200512301701.jBUH1sW8003717@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Lanny, Pete and Rock, Thanks for all of the info. I've learned a lot the last few days. I still don't know what the inclusion is but I'm now sure it isn't garnet. :-) There sure is a difference between the different granite pegmatites. Does anyone know of a website that has 3D pictures of crystal habits? The inclusion can only be viewed from one side, but if I extrapolate for the other sides, it would have 8 hexagonal faces and 6 smaller square faces. Does that give us a clue as to what the habit is? Maybe it's a modified octahedron (i.e. all corners of the octahedron have been "cut off")? That would favor more towards fluorite, I think. I tried to find a website that someone mentioned a while ago, but couldn't find it in my e-mails. Was it a Windows application or a VRML website. It showed crystal shapes and was somewhat easy to manipulate. I looked at SHAPE really quickly but that wasn't it. Kristalle2000 also wasn't it. Is there a free application available, or a website with VRML? Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:47 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions In response to Bob's question: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens. Among mineral collectors probably the two best known and sought after inclusions for display collections are the rutile in quartz specimens from Bahia, Brazil and the pyrite crystals in quartz from Minas Gerais in the same country. More specifically the most highly sought after rutile in quartz specimens are the hematite stars with epitaxially oriented golden rutile growing on them. The good examples of these can bring thousands of dollars and are often cut up and made into cabochons and jewelry. The best ones show more or less flat laying plates of hematite up to perhaps almost an inch with golden rutile needles oriented on the rutile shooting out from the black rutile. For many years, and probably still, the best quartz specimens including quartz specimens have come from Minas Gerais and are clear quartz crystals, almost always with some damage with well formed pyrite crystals up to perhaps almost a half an inch floating inside the clear quartz. The best one currently belongs to Pete Bancroft of Fallbrook, California. These came out mostly before the Second World War. Efforts were made to mine the original locality for more specimens, but very little was found. About ten years ago some very nice specimens were found of well formed quartz crystals containing inclusions of pyrite. The quartz was in better shape than the original find, but the quartz was not nearly as transparent and many of the pyrite crystals were altered to limonite. There are vastly many more examples of crystals included in other crystals. Once the crystals become small, they are cherished only by micromounters and mineralogists looking for unusual things. Almost always we neglect to say we mean crystals included inside of transparent host minerals. The world is full of crystals inside of opaque minerals and rocks. The Andes mountains are full of andesite crystals included in the volcanic rock that makes up many of the mountains there. Crystals included in opaque minerals would make an entire book or more probably many books. Some years ago when the new age movement started I had so many requests for quartz crystals I finally broke down and went into the sandstone areas of Minas Gerais state and started to buy quartz crystals for my customers. Very shortly it became evident that there were not enough undamaged long thin hand held quartz crystals to supply the need so I also started to buy quartz crystals that had been cut and polished or repaired by the lapidary processes. Some of the crystals had interesting inclusions. Soon I found that there was a good market for the quartz crystals that had interesting inclusions and began to import quantities of them. I also could not help pick out a few each trip for my own collection. For a while I and a couple of partners ran a quartz crystal mine in the hills outside of Joaquim Felicio that produced fine green phantoms inside of quartz crystals. We had them polished up and sold thousands of them to collectors, jewelry makers and the new age crowd. I think that this area of the world produces the best and greatest variety of quartz inclusions in the world. From around Crystalina, south of Brazilia there were some very nice clear quartz crystals that had inclusions of stout black reticulated prismatic crystals terminated rutile crystals that were quite striking. From near the down airport in Belo Horizonte, a guy was digging a septic tank and ran into clear quartz crystals that had crystals of pink fluorite inside them up to about 2 cm. I managed to snag a couple of those for my collection. Some times you can get quartz crystals from China that have Cinnabar inside of them. Jaraslov Hershyl and friends recently published a book about inclusions that is quite good and had many pictures showing outstanding crystals with inclusions, mostly quartz with inclusions. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Fri Dec 30 09:30:01 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Dec 30 09:32:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Laws and rules pertaining to mining claims in the US Message-ID: <200512301732.jBUHW3W8032505@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi list, Does anyone have a list of laws that pertain to mining claims in the US? Is there such a list on the web? Here are some examples of questions I have: 1. On a lode claim, if someone is walking along and sees a huge crystal sitting on the ground surface of the claim, can that person legally pick it up and take it home? A friend of mine told me that this was legal, as long as the person doesn't dig up the crystal. Does this differ from a placer claim? 2. Does it matter what the mineral is? If a claim owner is digging for gold or silver, but someone finds a tourmaline crystal (on the surface? or by digging?), can the person legally take it? Is this different for placer vs. lode claims? 3. If a person is walking across a mining claim and stumbles over a rock and breaks his leg, does he have a good chance of winning a lawsuit against the claim holder? Even if the rock has been sitting there for thousands of years and hasn't been disturbed by the claim holder, the person could say whatever he wants. He could say he stepped into a hole that was obviously from a previous dig (even if the claim holder performed reclamation on that hole and it was only 6 inches deep when the so-called accident occurred). Since a claim holder can't prevent people or animals from walking/hunting/hiking/fishing/etc on his claim, how does he prevent such lawsuits? Does he have to get (i.e. "pay for") liability insurance and hope nobody goes onto his claim? Should a claim holder be responsible for liabilities since he doesn't actually own the land? Shouldn't anyone going onto this land (or ANY land, for that matter) be responsible for not tripping/falling/etc? Yeah, I know, this is America, the land of the free... and stupid morons who can sue for whatever they want. Does anyone have a set of rules for a mining claim if the claim holder wants to allow a club to dig on the claim? Are there any other laws that all of you can think of? As you can see, I'm very interested in mining claim laws/rules/info right now. :-) Regards, Bob From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Fri Dec 30 09:45:14 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Dec 30 09:45:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions In-Reply-To: <003e01c60cc9$bdc32340$6401a8c0@rock3> References: <200512291540.jBTFeiVe004319@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <003e01c60cc9$bdc32340$6401a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <43B5722A.4000700@tenforward.com> Hi Rock, Thanks for taking the time to share, I enjoyed reading this. Welcome back home too! See you soon, John Rock Currier wrote: >In response to Bob's question: What are the famous (well-known and > >not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens. > >Among mineral collectors probably the two best known and sought after >inclusions for display collections are the rutile in quartz specimens from >Bahia, Brazil and the pyrite crystals in quartz from Minas Gerais in the >same country. More specifically the most highly sought after rutile in >quartz specimens are the hematite stars with epitaxially oriented golden >rutile growing on them. The good examples of these can bring thousands of >dollars and are often cut up and made into cabochons and jewelry. The best >ones show more or less flat laying plates of hematite up to perhaps almost >an inch with golden rutile needles oriented on the rutile shooting out from >the black rutile. For many years, and probably still, the best quartz >specimens including quartz specimens have come from Minas Gerais and are >clear quartz crystals, almost always with some damage with well formed >pyrite crystals up to perhaps almost a half an inch floating inside the >clear quartz. The best one currently belongs to Pete Bancroft of Fallbrook, >California. These came out mostly before the Second World War. Efforts were >made to mine the original locality for more specimens, but very little was >found. About ten years ago some very nice specimens were found of well >formed quartz crystals containing inclusions of pyrite. The quartz was in >better shape than the original find, but the quartz was not nearly as >transparent and many of the pyrite crystals were altered to limonite. > There are vastly many more examples of crystals included in other >crystals. Once the crystals become small, they are cherished only by >micromounters and mineralogists looking for unusual things. Almost always we >neglect to say we mean crystals included inside of transparent host >minerals. The world is full of crystals inside of opaque minerals and rocks. >The Andes mountains are full of andesite crystals included in the volcanic >rock that makes up many of the mountains there. Crystals included in opaque >minerals would make an entire book or more probably many books. > Some years ago when the new age movement started I had so many requests >for quartz crystals I finally broke down and went into the sandstone areas >of Minas Gerais state and started to buy quartz crystals for my customers. >Very shortly it became evident that there were not enough undamaged long >thin hand held quartz crystals to supply the need so I also started to buy >quartz crystals that had been cut and polished or repaired by the lapidary >processes. Some of the crystals had interesting inclusions. Soon I found >that there was a good market for the quartz crystals that had interesting >inclusions and began to import quantities of them. I also could not help >pick out a few each trip for my own collection. For a while I and a couple >of partners ran a quartz crystal mine in the hills outside of Joaquim >Felicio that produced fine green phantoms inside of quartz crystals. We had >them polished up and sold thousands of them to collectors, jewelry makers >and the new age crowd. I think that this area of the world produces the >best and greatest variety of quartz inclusions in the world. > From around Crystalina, south of Brazilia there were some very nice >clear quartz crystals that had inclusions of stout black reticulated >prismatic crystals terminated rutile crystals that were quite striking. From >near the down airport in Belo Horizonte, a guy was digging a septic tank and >ran into clear quartz crystals that had crystals of pink fluorite inside >them up to about 2 cm. I managed to snag a couple of those for my >collection. Some times you can get quartz crystals from China that have >Cinnabar inside of them. > Jaraslov Hershyl and friends recently published a book about inclusions >that is quite good and had many pictures showing outstanding crystals with >inclusions, mostly quartz with inclusions. >Rock > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Dec 30 10:19:42 2005 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (donhalterman@verizon.net) Date: Fri Dec 30 10:19:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions Message-ID: <13343968.1135966782263.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Does anyone know of a website that has 3D pictures of crystal habits? Hi, This is one of the more trustworthy and venerable sites on the Internet and has a lot of 3D rotatable crystal drawings: http://www.webmineral.com/ The drawings were made using JCrystal, and JCrystal includes some of these drawings with its package. I stumbled upon JCrystal while searching for a Wulff net plotting program. Sadly, the Wulff net feature in JCrystal isn't relevant to what I'm doing, but I was so impressed with all the features that I bought it anyway. It is inexpensive and runs in Java. I think it will do what you want to do--search for it and check out the extensive demo pages. Good luck, Don From rockcurrier at cs.com Fri Dec 30 13:04:46 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Fri Dec 30 12:48:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions References: <200512291540.jBTFeiVe004319@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <004201c60d84$aa79c8f0$6401a8c0@rock3> In response to Bob's question: What are the famous (well-known and > not-so-well-known) inclusion crystal specimens. Among mineral collectors probably the two best known and sought after inclusions for display collections are the rutile in quartz specimens from Bahia, Brazil and the pyrite crystals in quartz from Minas Gerais from the same country. More specifically the most highly sought after rutile in quartz specimens are the hematite stars with epitaxially oriented golden rutile growing on them. The good examples of these can bring thousands of dollars and are often cut up and made into cabochons and jewelry. The best ones show more or less flat laying plates of hematite up to perhaps almost an inch with golden rutile needles oriented on the rutile shooting out from the black hematite floating in clear quartz. The best quartz specimens including pyrite crystals have come from Minas Gerais. The pyrites are up to about a half inch and are floating in clear quartz, but the specimens almost always with some damage. The best one currently belongs to Pete Bancroft of Fallbrook, California. These came out mostly before the Second World War. Subsequent efforts were made to mine the original locality for more specimens, but little was found. About ten years ago, at a different locality, some very nice specimens were found of well formed quartz crystals containing pyrite crystal inclusions. The quartz was in better shape than the original find, but the quartz was not nearly as transparent and many of the pyrite crystals were altered to limonite. There are vastly many more examples of crystals included in other crystals. Once the crystals become small, they are cherished mostly only by micromounters and mineralogists looking for unusual things. Almost always we neglect to say we mean crystals included inside of transparent host minerals. The world is full of crystals inside of opaque minerals and rocks. The Andes mountains are full of andesite crystals included in the volcanic rock that makes up many of the mountains there. Crystals included in opaque minerals would make an entire book or more probably many books. Some years ago when the new age movement started I had so many requests for quartz crystals I finally broke down and went into the sandstone areas of Minas Gerais state and started to buy quartz crystals for my customers. Very shortly it became evident that there were not enough undamaged long thin hand held quartz crystals to supply the need so I also started to buy quartz crystals that had been cut and polished or repaired by the lapidary processes. Some of the crystals had interesting inclusions. Soon I found that there was a good market for the quartz crystals that had interesting inclusions and began to import quantities of them. Each trip I would pick out a few crystals for my own collection. For a while I and a couple of partners ran a quartz crystal mine in the hills outside of Joaquim Felicio in Minas Gerais state that produced fine green phantoms inside of quartz crystals. We had them polished up and sold thousands of them to collectors, jewelry makers and the new age crowd. I think that this area of the world produces the best and greatest variety of quartz inclusions in the world. From around Crystalina, south of Brasilia in Brazil, there were some very nice clear quartz crystals that had inclusions of stout black reticulated prismatic crystals terminated rutile crystals that were quite striking. From near the downtown airport in Belo Horizonte, a guy was digging a septic tank and ran into clear quartz crystals that had crystals of octahedral pink fluorite inside them up to about 2 cm. I managed to snag a couple of those for my collection. Some times you can get quartz crystals from China that have Cinnabar crystals inside of them. Jaraslov Hyrs and Gerhard Niedermayr have written a book about inclusions. I highly recommend it. Lots of good pictures. Magic World: Inclusions in Quartz by Jaroslav Hyrsl and Gerhard Niedermayr. Bode Verlag. Orter Putt 28, 45721 Haltern, Germany; geogentur@aol.com. ... Rock --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Dec 30 13:07:28 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Dec 30 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana (New Madrid) References: Message-ID: <000a01c60d85$0af38220$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Regarding the New Madrid earthquake zone... It produces small (<2.5) earthquakes quite often. I think I read somewhere that the magnitude 8+ quakes like in 1810-11 occur about every 500 years. I think the one that is "way overdue" is for a smaller one on the order of 6 or so. Still quite powerful, capable of significant damage, but not the BIG one. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana > On relatively rare occasions we have them here in the northern gulf > coastal plain. They are the settling of the sediment that is the ground > here. It is like wet sand and mud that shifts a bit once in a long while. > > I don't think the New Madrid has done much recently, but it is way > overdue. > > Glenn > > > > > > From: tboomer@comcast.net > Hello Rockhounds, > I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have learned > quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would > appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0 seismic > activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas > Island area. > check it out: > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html > > > I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the > Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift area. > Do you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to > that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am > doubtful that it was asociated with the recent hurricane > activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. What are your thoughts? > Tanya > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > Create your own custom mailing list called Groups with MSN Hotmail > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockcurrier at cs.com Fri Dec 30 15:28:56 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Fri Dec 30 15:12:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Domminican amber References: <200512300203.jBU22wVe013600@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00b801c60d98$ce3fde00$6401a8c0@rock3> It has been many years since I went to the Dominican Republic to get amber. We bought a fair amount from the shops in and around the general market in Santa Domingo and went up country to Santiago which is closer to the mines and bought more there. You can probably find someone in Santiago to take you to the mines, but you should keep in mind that the guys who are digging the stuff are real poor people and will probably not look kindly on you as a rich tourist comming and wanting to dig stuff from their rat holes for free. Most of the mines are small and not very safe and if you go into them you should be pretty fit and be prepared to get real dirty. There is no OSHA there to protect the miners from unsafe conditions let along tourists that want a little excitement. They do have during some parts of the year great cheap lobster dinners. Rock From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Fri Dec 30 16:06:48 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Fri Dec 30 16:06:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Addicted Message-ID: <20051231000648.7C99886B14@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Been playing with the stereo scope; just common stuff I have at hand. Yesterday I recieved a Tuperssuatsiaite Aris Quarry, Namibia. It looked interesting under the loupe, but today I'm setting up the scope and put it under the lens. I'm hooked! Never in my entire life has one single image blown me away like that did. If I can ever get all the hardware/software figured out; I will post images. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From markhp at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 31 03:50:30 2005 From: markhp at xs4all.nl (Mark Holtkamp) Date: Sat Dec 31 03:50:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inclusions In-Reply-To: <13343968.1135966782263.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> References: <13343968.1135966782263.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <43B67086.4040200@xs4all.nl> Or try www.smorf.nl regards, Mark donhalterman@verizon.net wrote: > Does anyone know of a website that has 3D pictures of crystal habits? > > > Hi, > > This is one of the more trustworthy and venerable sites on the Internet and has a lot of 3D rotatable crystal drawings: > > http://www.webmineral.com/ > > The drawings were made using JCrystal, and JCrystal includes some of these drawings with its package. I stumbled upon JCrystal while searching for a Wulff net plotting program. Sadly, the Wulff net feature in JCrystal isn't relevant to what I'm doing, but I was so impressed with all the features that I bought it anyway. It is inexpensive and runs in Java. I think it will do what you want to do--search for it and check out the extensive demo pages. > > Good luck, > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From totis99 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 07:20:32 2005 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Sat Dec 31 07:20:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana (New Madrid) In-Reply-To: <000a01c60d85$0af38220$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <20051231152032.95389.qmail@web36713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've always had a fascination for the New Madrid quake information both historical and future just because it's amazing to me. The link below is for the University of Arkansas at Little Rock (UALR) and their Center for Earthquake Education. It explains a lot about the rift (Reelfoot) and has a link to the damage present and future and the areas that could / would be affected. Teresa Otis http://quake.ualr.edu/public/arkansas.htm http://quake.ualr.edu/public/nmfz.htm (this link is specific to New Madrid fault zone) > > > From: tboomer@comcast.net > > Hello Rockhounds, > > I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a > long time and have learned > > quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a > question that I would > > appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an > there was a 3.0 seismic > > activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is > generally in the Maurepas > > Island area. > > check it out: > > > > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html > > > > > > I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic > activity, located near the > > Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result > of a failed rift area. > > Do you think that the recent seismic activity in > Louisiana is related to > > that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles > below surface, I am > > doubtful that it was asociated with the recent > hurricane > > activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. > What are your thoughts? > > Tanya > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Create your own custom mailing list called Groups > with MSN Hotmail > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > text/html (html body -- converted) > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From tim at orerockon.com Sat Dec 31 06:21:15 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Dec 31 10:34:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Laws and rules pertaining to mining claims in the US In-Reply-To: <200512301732.jBUHW3W8032505@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200512301732.jBUHW3W8032505@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051231055757.034601d8@orerockon.com> The BLM, in their infinite wisdom, took down the relevant pages and they are not back up (when they are, all the answers are located on the WA/OR BLM's mining claim information site). At 09:30 AM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi list, > >Does anyone have a list of laws that pertain to mining claims in the US? Is >there such a list on the web? Here are some examples of questions I have: > >1. On a lode claim, if someone is walking along and sees a huge crystal >sitting on the ground surface of the claim, can that person legally pick it >up and take it home? A friend of mine told me that this was legal, as long >as the person doesn't dig up the crystal. Does this differ from a placer >claim? No, lode and placer claims are treated identically. Surface material is treated as "waste" in mining law, so anyone can surface pick any claim. As are tailings. No one can dig a teaspoonful of virgin dirt without the claimant''s permission. >2. Does it matter what the mineral is? If a claim owner is digging for gold >or silver, but someone finds a tourmaline crystal (on the surface? or by >digging?), can the person legally take it? Is this different for placer vs. >lode claims? No, yes, and no. >3. If a person is walking across a mining claim and stumbles over a rock and >breaks his leg, does he have a good chance of winning a lawsuit against the >claim holder? Even if the rock has been sitting there for thousands of >years and hasn't been disturbed by the claim holder, the person could say >whatever he wants. He could say he stepped into a hole that was obviously >from a previous dig (even if the claim holder performed reclamation on that >hole and it was only 6 inches deep when the so-called accident occurred). >Since a claim holder can't prevent people or animals from >walking/hunting/hiking/fishing/etc on his claim, how does he prevent such >lawsuits? Does he have to get (i.e. "pay for") liability insurance and hope >nobody goes onto his claim? Should a claim holder be responsible for >liabilities since he doesn't actually own the land? Shouldn't anyone going >onto this land (or ANY land, for that matter) be responsible for not >tripping/falling/etc? Yeah, I know, this is America, the land of the >free... and stupid morons who can sue for whatever they want. Who knows, and I am sure this has been done. You answered your own question. Idiots will sue. Insurance such as you describe is available and incredibly expensive. Ask the Richardson's; they had insurance until an idiot broke their leg & sued. They lost & they are now uninsurable. I.e. they can't buy liability insurance for any price. >Does anyone have a set of rules for a mining claim if the claim holder wants >to allow a club to dig on the claim? That is up to the claimant; the MHRC has or has had the usual rockhound etiquette rules posted on our claims (they are torn down almost as soon as we post them) and clubs that dig with permission have to follow some USFS specific rules about overhangs, safety barriers and bench heights. Liability insurance for the club doing the digging is essential these days, and can be had for under $500/year. >Are there any other laws that all of you can think of? As you can see, I'm >very interested in mining claim laws/rules/info right now. :-) > >Regards, > >Bob Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From bova at mindspring.com Sat Dec 31 10:59:36 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Sat Dec 31 10:57:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Bourget Bros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <961101E4-7A2F-11DA-86B3-000A95773806@mindspring.com> dtk... They had a little store and mail order business. I got a lot of things from them over the years. When I was in L.A., and needed something that wasn't worth a big trip downtown, I could often find it there. Silver chain and wire, solder, basic tools, regulators for acetylene tanks, findings, books.. and another section for general gift type stuff.. bookends and display crystal clusters. I used the mail order by phone when I got here for some misc. stuff. I wish them well. Carol Carol J. Bova bova@mindspring.com On Friday, December 30, 2005, at 08:32 PM, dtkasper wrote: > Having known John Bourget for a number of years when he ran the > Halibut Derby for the Boys Club fundraiser, I recall their move to > start closing things down when the oldest brother died.? John wanted > to retire.? I wasn't aware they had lapidary anything, they were in > the construction materials business, so I would not expect a big deal > for rockhounders.? Alabaster I feel is better known as an ornamental > construction rock, for example.? I would find it unlikely you are > going to find any jewelry or fine stones.? Peripheral items like stone > cutting tools sound about right, but nothing custom for the lapidary > trade. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sat Dec 31 11:21:52 2005 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Sat Dec 31 11:18:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Bourget Bros & Alabaster In-Reply-To: <961101E4-7A2F-11DA-86B3-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Whoa now! Who mentioned alabaster in that Bourget Bros. context? My ulterior ears prick up at this word: I carve large alabaster bowls and in fact will be taking some to Tucson with me and thanks to Tom Orme co-owner of Alpha Supply I will be showing 'em at the Alpha Supply location in the Tucson Electric Park show. I don't have 'em up on the web. (Yes I know it's way way way past due). But if anyone would like to see such a bowl, email me privately and I'll pop you off a jpeg. Also rough stone is available albeit at the moment the quarry is under snow. Have jpegs of the rough stone also. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada On Saturday, December 31, 2005, at 02:59 PM, Carol J. Bova wrote: > dtk... > They had a little store and mail order business. I got a lot of > things from them over the years. When I was in L.A., and needed > something that wasn't worth a big trip downtown, I could often find it > there. Silver chain and wire, solder, basic tools, regulators for > acetylene tanks, findings, books.. and another section for general > gift type stuff.. bookends and display crystal clusters. I used the > mail order by phone when I got here for some misc. stuff. I wish them > well. > Carol > Carol J. Bova > bova@mindspring.com > > On Friday, December 30, 2005, at 08:32 PM, dtkasper wrote: >> Having known John Bourget for a number of years when he ran the >> Halibut Derby for the Boys Club fundraiser, I recall their move to >> start closing things down when the oldest brother died.? John wanted >> to retire.? I wasn't aware they had lapidary anything, they were in >> the construction materials business, so I would not expect a big deal >> for rockhounders.? Alabaster I feel is better known as an ornamental >> construction rock, for example.? I would find it unlikely you are >> going to find any jewelry or fine stones.? Peripheral items like stone >> cutting tools sound about right, but nothing custom for the lapidary >> trade. >> >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/enriched > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jaybates at rcn.com Sat Dec 31 11:52:45 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Sat Dec 31 11:50:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Laws and rules pertaining to mining claims in the US References: <200512301732.jBUHW3W8032505@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000701c60e43$c5cbbfe0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Here is a site that answers most of your questions: http://www.homestead.com/theclaimpost/BUYERSGUIDE.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Laws and rules pertaining to mining claims in the US > Hi list, > > Does anyone have a list of laws that pertain to mining claims in the US? Is > there such a list on the web? Here are some examples of questions I have: > > 1. On a lode claim, if someone is walking along and sees a huge crystal > sitting on the ground surface of the claim, can that person legally pick it > up and take it home? A friend of mine told me that this was legal, as long > as the person doesn't dig up the crystal. Does this differ from a placer > claim? > > 2. Does it matter what the mineral is? If a claim owner is digging for gold > or silver, but someone finds a tourmaline crystal (on the surface? or by > digging?), can the person legally take it? Is this different for placer vs. > lode claims? > > 3. If a person is walking across a mining claim and stumbles over a rock and > breaks his leg, does he have a good chance of winning a lawsuit against the > claim holder? Even if the rock has been sitting there for thousands of > years and hasn't been disturbed by the claim holder, the person could say > whatever he wants. He could say he stepped into a hole that was obviously > from a previous dig (even if the claim holder performed reclamation on that > hole and it was only 6 inches deep when the so-called accident occurred). > Since a claim holder can't prevent people or animals from > walking/hunting/hiking/fishing/etc on his claim, how does he prevent such > lawsuits? Does he have to get (i.e. "pay for") liability insurance and hope > nobody goes onto his claim? Should a claim holder be responsible for > liabilities since he doesn't actually own the land? Shouldn't anyone going > onto this land (or ANY land, for that matter) be responsible for not > tripping/falling/etc? Yeah, I know, this is America, the land of the > free... and stupid morons who can sue for whatever they want. > > Does anyone have a set of rules for a mining claim if the claim holder wants > to allow a club to dig on the claim? > > Are there any other laws that all of you can think of? As you can see, I'm > very interested in mining claim laws/rules/info right now. :-) > > Regards, > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobbyq4u at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 13:19:24 2005 From: bobbyq4u at yahoo.com (PHILLIP BASS aka: BUBBA) Date: Sat Dec 31 11:53:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? Message-ID: <20051230211924.6784.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I LIVE IN GA. AND I AM THINKING ABOUT GOING TO NC TO ROCKHUNT IN THE FRANKLIN AREA. NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE AND DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. CAN YOU TELL ME THE BEST PLACE TO GO TO FIND GEMSTONES. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 13:20:07 2005 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 31 11:53:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana (New Madrid) In-Reply-To: <000a01c60d85$0af38220$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <000a01c60d85$0af38220$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: I was still under the impression that the actual source of the New Madrid triplet was unknown. And they were closer to magnitude 9. http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/ BK On 12/30/05, Alan Goldstein wrote: > > Regarding the New Madrid earthquake zone... > > It produces small (<2.5) earthquakes quite often. I think I read somewhere > that the magnitude 8+ quakes like in 1810-11 occur about every 500 years. > I > think the one that is "way overdue" is for a smaller one on the order of 6 > or so. Still quite powerful, capable of significant damage, but not the > BIG > one. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Wimpee" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:05 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] small quake in Louisiana > > > > On relatively rare occasions we have them here in the northern gulf > > coastal plain. They are the settling of the sediment that is the ground > > here. It is like wet sand and mud that shifts a bit once in a long > while. > > > > I don't think the New Madrid has done much recently, but it is way > > overdue. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > From: tboomer@comcast.net > > Hello Rockhounds, > > I have been lurking around this newsgroup for a long time and have > learned > > quite a bit. Thank you very much! Now, I have a question that I would > > appreciate your thoughts on. On December 20th, an there was a 3.0seismic > > activity in Louisiana. Based on the map, it is generally in the Maurepas > > Island area. > > check it out: > > > > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/29.31.-92.-90_frames.html > > > > > > I've read that the New Madrid area of seismic activity, located near the > > Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas border, was the result of a failed rift > area. > > Do you think that the recent seismic activity in Louisiana is related to > > that fault activity? As it was measured 3 miles below surface, I am > > doubtful that it was asociated with the recent hurricane > > activity and unconsolidated sediments of the area. What are your > thoughts? > > Tanya > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Create your own custom mailing list called Groups with MSN Hotmail > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > text/html (html body -- converted) > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Dec 31 10:00:01 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Dec 31 12:04:59 2005 Subject: [ADMIN} Re: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? References: <20051230211924.6784.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c60e34$09ac1a80$0300a8c0@otie> Please respond to this off List as Bubba is not a List member. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHILLIP BASS aka: BUBBA" > I LIVE IN GA. AND I AM THINKING ABOUT GOING TO NC TO ROCKHUNT IN THE FRANKLIN AREA. NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE AND DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. CAN YOU TELL ME THE BEST PLACE TO GO TO FIND GEMSTONES. > From betdav97 at aol.com Sat Dec 31 12:10:03 2005 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 31 12:10:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? In-Reply-To: <20051230211924.6784.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051230211924.6784.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C7DC5D521FDBBE-A74-144DB@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com> Hi Philip, I haven't been to Franklin for a long time;but North Caolina amber deposits are near Fayetteville, a long way off from Franklin. When I did go to Franklin, I always enjoyed going to the Mason Mountain Sapphire Mine, past the airport. At the time you could dig your own material from the dumps and if you got there after a rain, you could see little purple sapphires sticking out of the dirt. I only saw one other color and it was black with a little sik, indicating a possible star when cut. The crystals are coated with a thin layer of vermiculite, but a little tumbling takes it right off. Dave -----Original Message----- From: PHILLIP BASS aka: BUBBA To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:19:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? I LIVE IN GA. AND I AM THINKING ABOUT GOING TO NC TO ROCKHUNT IN THE FRANKLIN AREA. NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE AND DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. CAN YOU TELL ME THE BEST PLACE TO GO TO FIND GEMSTONES. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From betdav97 at aol.com Sat Dec 31 12:10:39 2005 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 31 12:10:50 2005 Subject: [ADMIN} Re: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? In-Reply-To: <003b01c60e34$09ac1a80$0300a8c0@otie> References: <20051230211924.6784.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003b01c60e34$09ac1a80$0300a8c0@otie> Message-ID: <8C7DC5D6794FCBE-A74-144DD@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com> too late, my bad -----Original Message----- From: John Siebel To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:00:01 -0600 Subject: [ADMIN} Re: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? Please respond to this off List as Bubba is not a List member. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHILLIP BASS aka: BUBBA" > I LIVE IN GA. AND I AM THINKING ABOUT GOING TO NC TO ROCKHUNT IN THE FRANKLIN AREA. NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE AND DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. CAN YOU TELL ME THE BEST PLACE TO GO TO FIND GEMSTONES. > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Dec 31 10:21:22 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Dec 31 12:26:15 2005 Subject: [ADMIN] Re: [Rockhounds] Amber/NC ? References: <20051230211924.6784.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003b01c60e34$09ac1a80$0300a8c0@otie> <8C7DC5D6794FCBE-A74-144DD@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c60e37$04812340$0300a8c0@otie> Dave, The reason for responding off-List is that Bubba will not receive your post as he is not a member. John ----- Original Message ----- From: > too late, my bad > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Siebel > Please respond to this off List as Bubba is not a List member. > > John From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Dec 31 15:31:26 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sat Dec 31 15:31:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Bourget Bros In-Reply-To: <961101E4-7A2F-11DA-86B3-000A95773806@mindspring.com> References: <961101E4-7A2F-11DA-86B3-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6e83775b630ced6c3822e55d939fa885@cox.net> I more than second Carol Bova's comment. Bourget Bros has a very well stocked Lapidary department. A couple of the salespersons there are silversmith instructors in the Los Angeles School District, well known and very much appreciated. There was a rather large section of the store devoted to Lapidary and equipment. They have been frequent supporters of Rock and Mineral Shows both large and small. As the Bead interest increased within the community, they arose to the occasion and stocked all beads and findings. I spent many an hour happily browsing and buying in their Santa Monica location. One never got the feeling lapidary was an afterthought. Terrie From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Sat Dec 31 15:39:17 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 31 15:39:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] To All.. Message-ID: <254.41003e1.30e870a5@aol.com> My wish for all...a very Happy, Healthy and Safe 2006! Let the party begin! Best wishes for the coming year! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pbhewitt at comcast.net Sat Dec 31 15:46:37 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Sat Dec 31 15:46:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] To All.. Message-ID: <000501c60e64$7100bcb0$6401a8c0@maingear> HERE HERE!! THERE THERE!! SOMEWHERE ANYWHERE!! Paul in Marietta On 12/31/2005 6:39:17 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > My wish for all...a very Happy, Healthy and Safe 2006! Let the party > begin! > Best wishes for the coming year! > Jackie > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Sat Dec 31 18:14:58 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Sat Dec 31 18:15:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] My wish Message-ID: <20060101021458.5519EE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> May your pack be full; may your hammer strike hard; may your shovel unearth the best. My thanks to all who gave of themselves; who stopped to answer the question over and over. May his goodness and mercy follow you all the days and pile your favorite butt deep on the first try. Happy New Years rocknutz!! David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From RicSchager at aol.com Sat Dec 31 23:03:49 2005 From: RicSchager at aol.com (RicSchager@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 31 23:04:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bob Jackson's Open House Message-ID: <126.6c26a14f.30e8d8d5@aol.com> Although I kept checking Bob Jackson's Geology Adentures "calendar" last fall, I now see that I missed his "Open House" a couple weeks ago. Anybody here go & can report how it was? Rich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---