From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 1 00:17:56 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 1 00:17:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence In-Reply-To: <001101c507f4$29bf6170$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: >>>already about broke from spending too much time in >>>Tucson. >From Tucson to Vegas? ;-)))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens John McLaughlin Verzonden: dinsdag 1 februari 2005 1:23 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence This appears to be an accurate description of a wolf in sheep's clothing - a frequently described biological pseudomorph. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona and already about broke from spending too much time in Tucson. > It seems clear to me on this question. If you consider that the term > "pseudomorph" comes from pseudo - meaning "false," and morph - meaning > "form," then it can't be a pseudomorph if a mineral doesn't have a "false > form" (the form that belongs to another mineral). . . . > > Lanny > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 1 00:32:18 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 1 00:32:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence In-Reply-To: <87224C49-7418-11D9-8B32-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Lanny wrote: >Linus was wrong, we should have been given an X-ray and microprobe >along with the banjo when we were born. (I got none of them.) Oh yeah, like in "Deliverance": dueling banjos! Dueling X-ray diffraction spectrometers or even better, dueling microprobes! Only... how are we going to call the movie? Pseudomorphance? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lanny Verzonden: dinsdag 1 februari 2005 7:14 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence Hi Pete, When I wrote that, I wasn't thinking of filling in a mold. Maybe some of those "odd looking" specimens in our collections are really pseudomorphs formed this way. Think of your specimen that you are sure is a certain mineral because of the crystal shape, yet the color is different than it usually is, or it otherwise looks odd. Something like that could send a beginner back a couple years if he tested it and the hardness, luster, streak just didn't work out at all for what it looks like and he knows the form is wrong for what the tests suggests. Maybe that's how we end up drooling and babbling incoherently as we get older... Linus was wrong, we should have been given an X-ray and microprobe along with the banjo when we were born. (I got none of them.) Regards, Lanny On Jan 31, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Peter J. Modreski wrote: > Yes, Axel, as did Lanny, I was also going to suggest... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > < The crystal is however rhombohedral just like dolomite. Is that > possible? > I would almost suspect it to be halite after dolomite rather than vice > versa. Easily tAsted of course... > > And then where Lanny said... > > < ...makes me wonder how often we actually have one > mineral replacing another, but the replacing mineral actually > crystallizes > in its own form. If that happens, how would we know there was a > replacement > if none of the original mineral remains? > > Well, a true pseudomorph--true replacement--is where the new mineral > replaces the crystal of the old one, "bit by bit", altering its > chemistry to > the new mineral. But the other situation is where the old mineral is > simply > completely dissolved away, leaving a hollow cavity (preserving the > crystal > form), and then that hollow crystal cavity is filled in by what may be > a > completely unrelated mineral; some would consider this to be just a > cast of > the hollow mold, and not a "true" pseudomorph. And if the mold were > filled > in completely, it would in fact preserve the shape of the old crystal; > or, > it could just be filled in partly, forming crystals or groups or > clusters or > druses lining the cavity, that don't really preserve the original > shape; and > the new mineral could just as well be filling in some other, > non-crystal-related cavity; a vesicle in lava, a cavity in karst or in > a > fault zone, the interior of a fossil, etc. This same thing applies to > petrified wood; there's fossil wood that is "truly replaced", and this > can > preserve the grain structure of the wood; and there's wood that was > dissolved away first and then the hollow was filled in--i.e., the "limb > casts". I (and most people?) actually get a little confused > sometimes, by > the exact difference (if there always is a difference?) between these > two > different kinds of replacements, and how to always tell them apart. > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DicksWi at northville.k12.mi.us Tue Feb 1 06:08:58 2005 From: DicksWi at northville.k12.mi.us (William Dicks) Date: Tue Feb 1 06:09:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] JET Message-ID: To all you Lapidary Peoples........ When Jet is worn as jewelry is it know as a gem stone?.... rock?... or what???? From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Tue Feb 1 15:34:44 2005 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Tue Feb 1 15:27:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] JET References: Message-ID: <000701c508b6$9c8996e0$f67ba118@feldsparflash> Jet is organic in origin so not a mineral. It is the remains of wood compacted by the pressure of burial. It is black or dark brown and can be cabochon or faceted. It takes a very good polish. It was very popular in the 19th century for mourning jewelry. Jet is an organic gem in the sense of gem meaning an item fashioned for adornment.. This doesn't exactly answer your question as to what to call it in jewelry. I think I might just call it jet., being other organics are called by name: amber, coral, shell, ivory and pearl. A mineral collectors best guess. Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Dicks" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] JET > To all you Lapidary Peoples........ > > When Jet is worn as jewelry is it know as a gem stone?.... rock?... or > what???? > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 1 16:23:38 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 1 16:21:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] JET References: Message-ID: <42001CF0.29BC@Tomaszewski.net> William Dicks wrote: > > To all you Lapidary Peoples........ > > When Jet is worn as jewelry is it know as a gem stone?.... rock?... or > what???? Mindat lists Jet as a hard 'gem' variety of Lignite. Lignite is listed as a variety of Coal which retains the structure of the original wood. Coal is listed as a sedimentary rock of organic origin consisting predominately of carbonized plant remains. So while Jet is considered a Gem, it is a Rock and not a Mineral. A gem is a rock or mineral that is used for personal adornment. Gems are usually polished. From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Wed Feb 2 06:11:50 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:11:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One way to distinguish between pseudomorphs and primary crystals is that pseudomorphy usually involves replacement that starts at multiple centers with randomly oriented crystals. As replacement continues and goes to completion, these merge, much as mineral grains in an igneous rock do. The result is a polycrystalline object with the shape of a single crystal. Occasionally the replacement may itself be a single crystal, but this is likely to have a different crystallographic orientation than the crystal it replaces. And of course, if it has an impossible morphology (fluorite with the form of quartz, for example), that's compelling evidence. In some special cases, a mineral may replace another crystallographically similar mineral in an oriented fashion, such that all or most of the replacing grains have the same orientation; this is called topotaxy. Even here, the pseudomorph is usually composed of multiple crystals that jointly mimic the form of the original crystal. The best example of topotaxy that I can think of are little black platy crystals found in the hornfels at Mont Saint-Hilaire that look just like ilmenite, which is also often found there. When these are examined with a SEM, they can be seen to have a fine texture that indicates multiple crystals, though this is not evident under a binocular scope. EDS analysis indicates that there is no iron in these plates at all. They are rutile topotactic after ilmenite. Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From lanny at lrream.com Wed Feb 2 09:10:01 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Wed Feb 2 09:07:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463DA824-753D-11D9-8B32-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Pete, That's a good point, and I can instantly visualize an often-published photo of malachite replacing azurite where the individual radial growths of malachite are obvious. Unfortunately though, your third paragaraph points out the problem as I was thinking of it when I suggested the problem; the replacing mineral has such a fine grain to it that it isn't obvious that it is composed of thousands of separate crystals and is not a single crystal. Some of us don't have an SEM handy to check these things! Regards, Lanny On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Pete Richards wrote: > One way to distinguish between pseudomorphs and primary crystals is > that pseudomorphy usually involves replacement that starts at multiple > centers with randomly oriented crystals. As replacement continues and > goes to completion, these merge, much as mineral grains in an igneous > rock do. The result is a polycrystalline object with the shape of a > single crystal. Occasionally the replacement may itself be a single > crystal, but this is likely to have a different crystallographic > orientation than the crystal it replaces. And of course, if it has an > impossible morphology (fluorite with the form of quartz, for example), > that's compelling evidence. > > In some special cases, a mineral may replace another > crystallographically similar mineral in an oriented fashion, such that > all or most of the replacing grains have the same orientation; this is > called topotaxy. Even here, the pseudomorph is usually composed of > multiple crystals that jointly mimic the form of the original crystal. > > The best example of topotaxy that I can think of are little black > platy crystals found in the hornfels at Mont Saint-Hilaire that look > just like ilmenite, which is also often found there. When these are > examined with a SEM, they can be seen to have a fine texture that > indicates multiple crystals, though this is not evident under a > binocular scope. EDS analysis indicates that there is no iron in > these plates at all. They are rutile topotactic after ilmenite. > > Pete Richards > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Wed Feb 2 10:19:00 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Wed Feb 2 10:19:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence In-Reply-To: <463DA824-753D-11D9-8B32-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> References: <463DA824-753D-11D9-8B32-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: You're right, Lanny. Interesting how we have concepts and blind spots. My concept is that lots of tiny grains make a pseudomorph opaque and typically of matt luster. But my blind spot is the implicit assumption that the original mineral was transparent and gemmy (wishful thinking?). In the case of something like ilmenite, it's opaque to begin with. I must say that this one had me fooled for awhile, except that sometimes the crystals have "fringed" edges, which is suspicious. Under the SEM it is apparent that the "fringe" consists of individual rutile needles projecting from the pseudomorph. Too bad the list does not deal in images - I've got some really neat SEM images of this stuff. Cheers, Pete >Hi Pete, > >That's a good point, and I can instantly visualize an often-published photo of malachite replacing azurite where the individual radial growths of malachite are obvious. Unfortunately though, your third paragaraph points out the problem as I was thinking of it when I suggested the problem; the replacing mineral has such a fine grain to it that it isn't obvious that it is composed of thousands of separate crystals and is not a single crystal. Some of us don't have an SEM handy to check these things! > >Regards, > >Lanny > > >On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Pete Richards wrote: > >>One way to distinguish between pseudomorphs and primary crystals is that pseudomorphy usually involves replacement that starts at multiple centers with randomly oriented crystals. As replacement continues and goes to completion, these merge, much as mineral grains in an igneous rock do. The result is a polycrystalline object with the shape of a single crystal. Occasionally the replacement may itself be a single crystal, but this is likely to have a different crystallographic orientation than the crystal it replaces. And of course, if it has an impossible morphology (fluorite with the form of quartz, for example), that's compelling evidence. >> >>In some special cases, a mineral may replace another crystallographically similar mineral in an oriented fashion, such that all or most of the replacing grains have the same orientation; this is called topotaxy. Even here, the pseudomorph is usually composed of multiple crystals that jointly mimic the form of the original crystal. >> >>The best example of topotaxy that I can think of are little black platy crystals found in the hornfels at Mont Saint-Hilaire that look just like ilmenite, which is also often found there. When these are examined with a SEM, they can be seen to have a fine texture that indicates multiple crystals, though this is not evident under a binocular scope. EDS analysis indicates that there is no iron in these plates at all. They are rutile topotactic after ilmenite. >> >>Pete Richards >>-- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>R. Peter Richards >>rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >> >>Mineral collector >>Crystallographer >>SHAPE for the Macintosh >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From tam2819 at cox.net Wed Feb 2 11:45:44 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Wed Feb 2 11:45:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad EZEE MOULD Message-ID: <42012DE8.8080704@cox.net> Gerry Pauley of has brought his Ezee Mould to Tucson for sale to Mineral Collectors and Photographers. Ezee Mould is a reusable product that, with submersion into hot water can then be mo(u)lded to your material and a firm stand can be made to hold the specimen upright. I have seen this in use and find it rather imaginative. If the first attempt is not quite right, simply separate the mold from the specimen and place it back into the hot water for another go around. Think half a geode sitting upright. I plan to use it here in my own home to stabilize my collection and have them propped up to best show them off. I also will use Ezee Mould as a prop for both stones and jewelry I plan on photographing. Ezee Mould can be seen at the Pueblo Inn Room 118, Bruce Wood Minerals at the Inn Suites Room 177. Gerry Pauley can be contacted directly at either (760) 994-7172, or (520) 795-9510 Room 111. Wholesale quantities also available, contact Gerry Pauley directly for prices. Retails @ 100 gm for $10.00, 250 gm for $20.00. Teresa Masters From murowchickj at umkc.edu Wed Feb 2 12:54:19 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (J B Murowchick) Date: Wed Feb 2 12:54:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in eastern WA/western ID In-Reply-To: <42012DE8.8080704@cox.net> Message-ID: I'm hoping to attend the Goldschmidt conference in Moscow, ID in mid-May 2005. I'll probably fly to Spokane, then drive a rental car down to Moscow. Can anyone recommend any auto-accessible collecting spots in the area? I am interested in micromounts as well as larger specimens, any minerals or fossils, but not lapidary materials. Also, if anyone wants to do some micromount trading, I could probably bring some Florida phosphates (wavellite, vivianite, crandallite) with me. Thanks Jim __________________________________________________________ Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu 5110 Rockhill Road Kansas City, MO 64110 From tim at orerockon.com Wed Feb 2 14:17:41 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:17:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in eastern WA/western ID In-Reply-To: References: <42012DE8.8080704@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050202140448.02ebfdb8@mail.spiritone.com> As I am sure Lanny could tell you, there are several good micro localities on the Snake downstream from Lewiston, and in Pullman. There is also scarce wood up Asotin Creek and some interesting "stuff" including sillemnite in the Clearwater gravels around Peck. You might check out the Lewiston Club's opal claim on the Snake; last I heard they had a trip there once a year during their show. The Emerald Creek garnet dig doesn't open until Memorial Day weekend, unfortunately. You could pan in the creek but the garnets there are so-so and you aren't allowed to dig them outside the fee area. There is staurolite nearby but the last time I was there, there weren't any fairy crosses to be found. Most other collecting sites that are mentioned in books & guides in the Moscow-Pullman-Lewiston-Clarkston area are poor collecting/hard to find/private property/too old to be worth the time. Some are excellent (i.e. picture jasper) but are big secrets among the locals. My CD has a few waypoints in the area ;) At 12:54 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >I'm hoping to attend the Goldschmidt conference in Moscow, ID in mid-May >2005. I'll probably fly to Spokane, then drive a rental car down to Moscow. >Can anyone recommend any auto-accessible collecting spots in the area? I am >interested in micromounts as well as larger specimens, any minerals or >fossils, but not lapidary materials. > >Also, if anyone wants to do some micromount trading, I could probably bring >some Florida phosphates (wavellite, vivianite, crandallite) with me. > >Thanks >Jim > >__________________________________________________________ >Dr. James B. Murowchick >Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 >Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 >University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu >5110 Rockhill Road >Kansas City, MO 64110 > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Feb 2 16:19:19 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:19:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting SEM References: <463DA824-753D-11D9-8B32-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <003d01c50986$012bea10$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Pete, You might consider posting the images on mindat. I will be scanning and posting a lot of SEM photos of Halls Gap specimens (and others) when I get the time. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Quartz pseudomorph drifting towards fluorescence > You're right, Lanny. Interesting how we have concepts and blind spots. > My concept is that lots of tiny grains make a pseudomorph opaque and > typically of matt luster. But my blind spot is the implicit assumption > that the original mineral was transparent and gemmy (wishful thinking?). > In the case of something like ilmenite, it's opaque to begin with. I must > say that this one had me fooled for awhile, except that sometimes the > crystals have "fringed" edges, which is suspicious. Under the SEM it is > apparent that the "fringe" consists of individual rutile needles > projecting from the pseudomorph. Too bad the list does not deal in > images - I've got some really neat SEM images of this stuff. > > Cheers, > Pete > > >>Hi Pete, >> >>That's a good point, and I can instantly visualize an often-published >>photo of malachite replacing azurite where the individual radial growths >>of malachite are obvious. Unfortunately though, your third paragaraph >>points out the problem as I was thinking of it when I suggested the >>problem; the replacing mineral has such a fine grain to it that it isn't >>obvious that it is composed of thousands of separate crystals and is not a >>single crystal. Some of us don't have an SEM handy to check these things! >> >>Regards, >> >>Lanny >> >> >>On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Pete Richards wrote: >> >>>One way to distinguish between pseudomorphs and primary crystals is that >>>pseudomorphy usually involves replacement that starts at multiple centers >>>with randomly oriented crystals. As replacement continues and goes to >>>completion, these merge, much as mineral grains in an igneous rock do. >>>The result is a polycrystalline object with the shape of a single >>>crystal. Occasionally the replacement may itself be a single crystal, >>>but this is likely to have a different crystallographic orientation than >>>the crystal it replaces. And of course, if it has an impossible >>>morphology (fluorite with the form of quartz, for example), that's >>>compelling evidence. >>> >>>In some special cases, a mineral may replace another crystallographically >>>similar mineral in an oriented fashion, such that all or most of the >>>replacing grains have the same orientation; this is called topotaxy. >>>Even here, the pseudomorph is usually composed of multiple crystals that >>>jointly mimic the form of the original crystal. >>> >>>The best example of topotaxy that I can think of are little black platy >>>crystals found in the hornfels at Mont Saint-Hilaire that look just like >>>ilmenite, which is also often found there. When these are examined with >>>a SEM, they can be seen to have a fine texture that indicates multiple >>>crystals, though this is not evident under a binocular scope. EDS >>>analysis indicates that there is no iron in these plates at all. They >>>are rutile topotactic after ilmenite. >>> >>>Pete Richards >>>-- >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>R. Peter Richards >>>rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >>> >>>Mineral collector >>>Crystallographer >>>SHAPE for the Macintosh >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From john at MLCE.net Wed Feb 2 19:01:57 2005 From: john at MLCE.net (john) Date: Wed Feb 2 19:07:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad EZEE MOULD In-Reply-To: <42012DE8.8080704@cox.net> References: <42012DE8.8080704@cox.net> Message-ID: >Gerry Pauley of has brought his Ezee Mould to >Tucson for sale to Mineral Collectors and Photographers. > >Ezee Mould is a reusable product that, with submersion into hot >water can then be mo(u)lded to your material and a firm stand can be >made to hold the specimen upright. I have seen this in use and find >it rather imaginative. > >If the first attempt is not quite right, simply separate the mold >from the specimen and place it back into the hot water for another >go around. Think half a geode sitting upright. > >I plan to use it here in my own home to stabilize my collection and >have them propped up to best show them off. I also will use Ezee >Mould as a prop for both stones and jewelry I plan on photographing. > >Ezee Mould can be seen at the Pueblo Inn Room 118, Bruce Wood >Minerals at the Inn Suites Room 177. Gerry Pauley can be contacted >directly at either (760) 994-7172, or (520) 795-9510 Room 111. > >Wholesale quantities also available, contact Gerry Pauley directly >for prices. Retails @ 100 gm for $10.00, 250 gm for $20.00. > >Teresa Masters Douglas and Sturgess in San Francisco and Richmond Calif. carries a product called "Adapt-It". They sell it in solid sheets, perforated sheets as well as "crumbles"/pastilla's (spelling - but little dropped forms). I use this stuff to make handles on many of my carving tools. If I don't like what I made, I heat it in water and remake it. It can be colored, glittered, mica powdered, etc. The small bits cost about $18.00 a pound (last time I bought some). I find more and more uses for this stuff every day. Fixed a pair of glasses for a friend (supposed to have been a temporary fix) that he used for years. Just thought you all might like to know about this item too. I have no affiliation with D&S, I just use a lot of their products. They have a web site too http://www.artstuf.com Best, John Dach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From TomE61 at aol.com Thu Feb 3 19:29:56 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:30:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Sorry I missed you all Message-ID: <9a.1f6af483.2f344634@aol.com> Hey there, this is Tom from New York (tome61@aol.com). I have neither read nor participated in the RockHound forum for quite some time now, but it wasn't by choice or design. And, this posting is not 100% rock related. I returned from my holiday vacation in Puerto Rico earlier in January, and upon my return, contracted a respiratory infection which I actually got in PR. Hard to imagine when the weather was 89 degrees average. BUT there were several folks in the town I visited who were very sick. Then there was the flu, not once but twice. Fortunately, I wasn't as devastated as others (although that's a relative statement I guess) but it was not a lot of fun. I am still amazed that NY just three months ago refused flu shots to anyone but the "eligible", and three months later, is forced to trash millions of doses because they have expired. Just when I thought the worst was over, NY got hit with 14 inches of snow. That's not really a big deal, in my book, but despite what people think, NYers are not savvy or smart when its comes to snow. It cripples the city in ways that other, more seasoned people, would only smirk about. Anyway, I'm back. I'm trying to catch up. I have LOADS of postings to read and probably a lot of inquiries to answer. I must say, though, that Puerto Rico was a great place to seek out and collect rocks and minerals. We had the benefit of a guide, who took us to a secluded mountain, where both my cousin and I were able to gather nice specimens of calcite, pyrite, and what might appear to be copper. With nice crystals. And something that my cousin thinks is REAL gold. Oh well, time will tell, I guess. Other moutains in PR yielded beautiful specimens of green, blue, purple and combination rocks and I suspect that they are lava rocks. They are brittle and crumble easily. We are in touch with the U of PR Geological Department to help us understand what we collected and identify the treasures. For those fossil lovers, we were gifted with a few fossil specimens from the highest point in the island, which indicates, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that PR was ONCE under water and home to many species of oceanic life. How else would one explain the existence of a fully formed conch shell, and small crustacean shell, found high up in the mountains? Anyway, I look forward to hearing from and talking to all of you, again on a regular basis. I sincerely hope that the New Year has gotten off to a happy and healthy start for my rockhounding colleagues. Warmest Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Thu Feb 3 19:39:28 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:37:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in eastern WA/western ID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5FAC839E-765E-11D9-B865-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Jim, I pondered your query for more than a day and came up with nothing more than if I'd replied yesterday morning. There isn't much. Tim mentioned micros on the Snake River, and I expect he was referring to the zeolites there. These are best in a zone about 4.5 miles downstream from the Red Wolf Crossing Bridge from Clarkston, Washington. This is about a 45 minute drive from Moscow. There are a few roadcuts in the oldest Columbia River basalts that are exposed in an anticline. Small vesicles have some very nice erionite and an unusual find I made of odd triangular heulandite crystals in one outcrop and erionite, chabazite and normal heulandite in others. In the basalts in Pullman, and probably Moscow, there are siderites as bow tie-shaped groups and hemispheres. In this area, the hemispheres are mostly under about 6 mm, but can be larger. When fresh they have a brown color, often with an iridescence, but they are often altered to goethite or whichever iron oxide/hydroxide and are dark brown or black. Some cavities are lined with the feldspars and other basalt-forming minerals in tiny crystals. There must be something else, but it's not coming to mind, we don't have a whole lot up here that is collectible. I'm probably forgetting something though. Fossils are almost non-existant. There is this problem with basalt and precambrian rock, it just seems to repel the remains of living things. There are good fossil leaves in some of the lake sediments interbedded with the basalts, but that just about does it for fossils. There are a few things within a two hour drive in other directions, but most will be under snow cover in mid May. At least I hope they are under snow cover, but the way this winter is going they may be in forest fires by then! Regards, Lanny On Feb 2, 2005, at 12:54 PM, J B Murowchick wrote: > I'm hoping to attend the Goldschmidt conference in Moscow, ID in > mid-May > 2005. I'll probably fly to Spokane, then drive a rental car down to > Moscow. > Can anyone recommend any auto-accessible collecting spots in the area? > I am > interested in micromounts as well as larger specimens, any minerals or > fossils, but not lapidary materials. > > Also, if anyone wants to do some micromount trading, I could probably > bring > some Florida phosphates (wavellite, vivianite, crandallite) with me. > > Thanks > Jim > > __________________________________________________________ > Dr. James B. Murowchick > Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 > Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 > University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu > 5110 Rockhill Road > Kansas City, MO 64110 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 11:47:18 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Feb 4 11:47:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <20050204194718.99087.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> There's a new update to Sauktown Sales' price list at www.sauktown.com . It's a little early this month because I'll be away during the second half of February, and won't be able to fill orders. This month's new additions include millerite from Halls Gap, KY that exhibits the "Eshelby twist", and species from their type localities: maxwellite, nissonite and caryopilite. Jim Daly __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 18:53:36 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Feb 4 18:53:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Lack of Counterspace In-Reply-To: <002c01c4dba3$8c4b3df0$bcbd8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <20050205025336.79723.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> hey great I am 6'9'' tall. Just at my level --- Anita Westlake wrote: > Speaking of doors...I've always thought it would be > a good idea to make a > shallow shelf running just above the 6 doors in my > hallway. Held up by fancy > wooden brackets, the narrow shelves could hold > specimens galore. Some track > lighting down the center of the hall would > "spotlight" the really special > ones. Of course, it helps to be 6 feet tall to see > 'em! > > Anita D. Westlake > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On > Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:40 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Lack of Counterspace > > TomE61@aol.com wrote: > > > > I enjoyed reading all of the postings about "lack > of counterspace" and can > > certainly appreciate all that we go through to > house our treasures. > > > Look forward to hearing more stories (or > suggestions) about this. > > > > Happy holidays, > > Tom Russell > > Hi Tom, > > Doorways with doors are often positioned so that > when the door is open, > it is up against a wall. The doorknob (or doorstop) > causes two to four > inches deep of wall space to be hidden behind the > door when it is open. > > This is a commonly overlooked space for a display > shelf, especially if > the door is normally open. A typical door leaves a > 24 X 48 X 3 inch > space above the doorknob for a hanging wall shelf. I > have several > displays that you have to 'close the door' to see. > > One (long) wall of my basement bathroom (above the > towel bar) has a 3 > inch deep shelf unit covering the wall to the > ceiling. > > Three of the four walls in my (basement) laundry > room have rock > cabinets from four feet to ceiling (leaving room > for appliances, > including sink and freezer -- the other wall has the > window). > > If you build/buy your bookcases just a little deep, > you can line up a > row of specimens in front of the books. Leave at > least one blank > specimen space per bookcase/shelf so you can easily > move specimens > around to pull out books. > > When collecting rocks and minerals, please remember > that any nearly > horizontal surface IS display space. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Feb 4 20:28:28 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Feb 4 20:28:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] advert - Element 51 updated References: <000501c4fd96$569f78f0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Message-ID: <000301c50b3b$2433d5c0$6400a8c0@Junior> I've added some interesting Chilean species to the site - fraipontite, iranite, and phoenicochroite. If you can't make it to Tucson, it's a short trip to http://www.element51.com for your mineral fix! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com From mineral.maertens at att.net Sat Feb 5 15:54:06 2005 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sat Feb 5 15:53:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Humor Inquiry. Would you have a few jokes to share? In-Reply-To: <200502030204.j13241to013281@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Many funny and more interesting messages are posted on this forum. I ran out of "icebreaker" jokes to start lectures. One liners galore like " you know you are rockhounds when ..." and similar for geologists but no more "longer" jokes. Would you have a few jokes to share? Why did the rock cross the road ... to show the chicken how... Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ Politicians and diapers need to be changed, often for the same reason From kadok at infowest.com Sat Feb 5 16:19:40 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 5 16:19:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Lack of Counterspace In-Reply-To: <20050205025336.79723.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050206002019.DC61B796AD@delivery.infowest.com> And I hope you do not live in earthquake country! <:-}} Margaret hey great I am 6'9'' tall. Just at my level --- Anita Westlake wrote: > Speaking of doors...I've always thought it would be > a good idea to make a > shallow shelf running just above the 6 doors in my > hallway. Held up by fancy > wooden brackets, the narrow shelves could hold > specimens galore. Some track > lighting down the center of the hall would > "spotlight" the really special > ones. Of course, it helps to be 6 feet tall to see > 'em! > > Anita D. Westlake > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On > Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:40 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Lack of Counterspace > > TomE61@aol.com wrote: > > > > I enjoyed reading all of the postings about "lack > of counterspace" and can > > certainly appreciate all that we go through to > house our treasures. > > > Look forward to hearing more stories (or > suggestions) about this. > > > > Happy holidays, > > Tom Russell > > Hi Tom, > > Doorways with doors are often positioned so that > when the door is open, > it is up against a wall. The doorknob (or doorstop) > causes two to four > inches deep of wall space to be hidden behind the > door when it is open. > > This is a commonly overlooked space for a display > shelf, especially if > the door is normally open. A typical door leaves a > 24 X 48 X 3 inch > space above the doorknob for a hanging wall shelf. I > have several > displays that you have to 'close the door' to see. > > One (long) wall of my basement bathroom (above the > towel bar) has a 3 > inch deep shelf unit covering the wall to the > ceiling. > > Three of the four walls in my (basement) laundry > room have rock > cabinets from four feet to ceiling (leaving room > for appliances, > including sink and freezer -- the other wall has the > window). > > If you build/buy your bookcases just a little deep, > you can line up a > row of specimens in front of the books. Leave at > least one blank > specimen space per bookcase/shelf so you can easily > move specimens > around to pull out books. > > When collecting rocks and minerals, please remember > that any nearly > horizontal surface IS display space. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Feb 5 17:06:23 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Feb 5 17:06:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <001801c50be8$13c8eba0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far this year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a friend (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of other issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to go! We had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because winter construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as an "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the case when were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately they have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the quarry towards the north. Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly surprised to see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide and 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was shot (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry in about 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper vuggy zone." Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare frost covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps were in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was June! I ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that perspiration flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and plates with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated with small negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has barite (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this time! This was my best collecting trip here in several years. With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've known the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current company manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him from the other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. While our local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions in group size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, I don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every few weeks! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CrescentStoneINC at aol.com Sat Feb 5 17:31:06 2005 From: CrescentStoneINC at aol.com (CrescentStoneINC@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 5 17:31:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? Message-ID: <128.55d4b3d2.2f36cd5a@aol.com> From: Crescent Stone Company We have an entire shelf (a lot) of Garnet, can it be worked or will it fall apart into fragments? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Sat Feb 5 17:47:42 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Feb 5 17:44:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? In-Reply-To: <128.55d4b3d2.2f36cd5a@aol.com> References: <128.55d4b3d2.2f36cd5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <4205773E.3000407@att.net> CrescentStoneINC@aol.com wrote: > From: Crescent Stone Company > > We have an entire shelf (a lot) of Garnet, can it be worked or will it fall > apart into fragments? The short answer is "yes." Garnet is often cabachoned, faceted, or beaded, usually in the Far East where labor is economical. Garnet is a commodity stone and even fine facteted examples are relatively inexpensive compared to other semi-precious species. That being said, the utility of your garnets would depend upon their current condition. If they are off-color, included, or fractured, they will obviously not be suitable for cutting. Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 5 19:29:12 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 5 19:22:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? References: <128.55d4b3d2.2f36cd5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <42058D75.1412@Tomaszewski.net> CrescentStoneINC@aol.com wrote: > > From: Crescent Stone Company > > We have an entire shelf (a lot) of Garnet, can it be worked or will it fall > apart into fragments? Depends on the quality of the rough. Good clean rough without fractures or inclusions makes great stones. Poor quality rough produces the same sad results no matter what stone you are cutting. Garnet takes a high polish. Have fun. From arf at mc.net Sat Feb 5 20:22:26 2005 From: arf at mc.net (Jack Schmidling) Date: Sat Feb 5 20:22:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mitchner's Pentagon Diamonds Message-ID: <094401c50c03$7acede20$6e5c70d1@S0033035959> Just finished reading... yawn... Mitchner's tome, "The Covenant" and among other flaws, one of his heros found a big diamond after a lifetime of fruitless searching. He knew it was a diamond because of the pentagon shape. Makes one wonder about all his other fractoids. js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 5 20:53:57 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 5 20:47:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Humor Inquiry. Would you have a few jokes to share? References: Message-ID: <4205A145.2444@Tomaszewski.net> Palentologists have an online magazine called e-Bony. There is a scuba diving geologist who measures coral reef structures. He only works summers to avoid frigid winter cold. You might call him a frost-free reef ridge rater. A male goat quartz is a Billy Crystal. ...And these are only the ones I have heard recently. Kreigh Johan Maertens wrote: > > Many funny and more interesting messages are posted on this forum. > > I ran out of "icebreaker" jokes to start lectures. > One liners galore like " you know you are rockhounds when ..." and > similar for geologists > but no more "longer" jokes. > > Would you have a few jokes to share? > > Why did the rock cross the road ... to show the chicken how... > > Johan Maertens > mineral dot maertens at att dot net > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > Politicians and diapers need to be changed, often for the same reason > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From xossfs at yahoo.com Sat Feb 5 22:31:18 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sat Feb 5 22:31:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? In-Reply-To: <4205773E.3000407@att.net> Message-ID: <20050206063118.39739.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> Garnet is a > commodity stone and even fine facteted examples are > relatively > inexpensive compared to other semi-precious species. > Depends on type...The green ones (Tsavorite ain't cheap) ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From JScully216 at aol.com Sun Feb 6 06:11:14 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 6 06:11:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification Message-ID: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the location. Does anyone know? Thanks John SCully --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 6 06:37:07 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Feb 6 06:35:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c50c59$56d8d240$ce8a4c0c@fekib> Could be from the Pugh Quarry, in Custer. It has produced brown fluorite cubes for decades. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: JScully216@aol.com To: rockhounds@onelist.com ; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the location. Does anyone know? Thanks John SCully --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 6 06:41:38 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Feb 6 06:40:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Humor Inquiry. Would you have a few jokesto share? References: Message-ID: <002f01c50c59$ff271060$ce8a4c0c@fekib> Rock Riddles below.......please do not reproduce without permission.....Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: Johan Maertens To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Humor Inquiry. Would you have a few jokesto share? Many funny and more interesting messages are posted on this forum. I ran out of "icebreaker" jokes to start lectures. One liners galore like " you know you are rockhounds when ..." and similar for geologists but no more "longer" jokes. Would you have a few jokes to share? Why did the rock cross the road ... to show the chicken how... Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net ================================================================= ROCK RIDDLES Here are a number of riddles related to geology and minerals. The basic idea is to guess the 2 or 3 word rhyme that best expresses the meaning of the riddle, in a humorous way. For example, the puzzle "Men's running shorts made out of SiO2" can be expressed as "Quartz Shorts". See how many you can solve before looking at the answers on the last page. Have fun! 1.. Bovine eats feldspar 2.. 3.. Lawyers sue silica miner 4.. Dr.Suess' miner in Death Valley 5.. Strong sun in the Arctic 6.. Turner finds rosy sandstone deposits 7.. The San Andreas stops moving 8.. Very sudden loss of soil 9.. Helicopter to transport Cu 10.. Geometrically formed mineral in the shape of a handgun 10. Idiot who loves isometric minerals 11. Shakespeare's petroleum comedy 12. Casino on a geologic fault 13. Person who doesn't believe in volcanoes 14. Very, very hot coffee 15. Geologist who can't stop talking shop 16. Group of shiny crystals 17. Vivacious agate 18. Volcanic tax form entry 19. Rutilated quartz that really isn't 20. Climber after fossil resin 21. Senor finds ore in meadow 22. Blind, underground anthracite miner 23. Rock-hammer marks on actor Tom's fingers 24. A well behaved reef inhabitant 25. Over-dressed dame who likes small quartz crystal masses 26. The effect of Darwin's theories 27. The only eruption in town 28. Silica army posts 29. Tie up your Aussie gems 30. Be lonely for a rock fracture 31. Spy some dense gray silica 32. Hollow General Motors ball 33. Hot spring at a pharmaceutical company 34. Marker for the Sweet Home mine adit 35. We got rid of the nugget 36. Mixed up metamorphic limestone 37. Salt observed in the day-time 38. Argentina gemstone 39. Mica deposit nears surface 40. Cartoon ghost likes semi-precious gem 41. Rona's diamond 42. Machine used to shape limestone 43. Volcanic glass disappears 44. Courthouse date for claim jumping 45. Muffin makers claim gives indigestion 46. Deer runs into open pit mine 47. Annual celebration for brick makers 48. Strike-slip fault moves a bit 49. A pebble in my argyles 50. Tyson's igneous intrusions 51. Wind which blows fissile rock around 52. Chamberlain's deposit 53. Dish made of sedimentary rock 54. Area around the top of a volcano 55. Rocks identical images 56. Unforgettable dinosaur 57. Cost of banded metamorphic rock 58. It's hard to find sapphires in Montana 59. A slight rock skin disease 60. A cave-in in a emerald mine 61. Collector's lust for Ca5FPO4(3) 62. Low class diamond substitute 63. A dropped quartz crystal with inclusions 64. I'm sorry about some of these "groaners" ROCK RIDDLES ANSWERS 1.. cow bites albites 2.. quartz torts 3.. a borax lorax 4.. glacier erasure 5.. Ted's red beds 6.. fault's halt 7.. an erosion explosion 8.. copper chopper 9.. crystal pistol 10. cube boob 11. oil's well that end's well 12. a dip-joint clip-joint 13. igneous ignoramous 14. lava java 15. an ore bore 16. cluster luster 17. chert flirt 18. an eruption deduction 19. inclusion illusion 20. amber clamber 21. Spain plain vein 22. coal mole 23. Cruise's bruises 24. moral coral 25. a drusy floozy 26. evolution revolution 27. an exclusive extrusive 28. quartz forts 29. rope all opal 30. miss your fissure 31. flint glint 32. Geo geode 33. Pfizer geyser 34. fine mine sign 35. sold gold 36. garbled marble 37. daylight halite 38. La Paz topaz 39. a rising mass of isinglass 40. Casper's jasper 41. Barrett's carats 42. a limestone grindstone 43. obsidian oblivion 44. rock pocket docket 45. Thomas's pumices 46. quarry quarry 47. clay day 48. rift shift 49. sock rock 50. Mike's dike 51. shale gale 52. Wilt the Stilt's silt 53. slate plate 54. cone zone 55. stones clones 56. Jurassic classic 57. gneiss price 58. corundum conundrum 59. quartz warts 60. beryl peril 61. apatite appetite 62. sleazy CZ 63. mutilated rutilated 64. a geolgy apology! Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From CrescentStoneINC at aol.com Sun Feb 6 06:40:41 2005 From: CrescentStoneINC at aol.com (CrescentStoneINC@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 6 06:40:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? Message-ID: <76.4c4345ed.2f378669@aol.com> Thanks to all, our garnet is purple, will keep updating. Sincerely: Crescent Stone Company --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Sun Feb 6 07:05:02 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 6 07:01:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? In-Reply-To: <20050206063118.39739.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050206063118.39739.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4206321E.7000804@att.net> Stephen Stover wrote: > Garnet is a > >>commodity stone and even fine facteted examples are >>relatively >>inexpensive compared to other semi-precious species. >> > > > Depends on type...The green ones (Tsavorite ain't cheap) True... thought about that after I posted. I don't know if the green uvarovite ever gets large enough to use as jewelry--I have ever only seen small crystals. I think most people, including me, might instinctively picture a red stone when they think of gem garnet--but that is not always the case! Thanks, Don From morningstar at att.net Sun Feb 6 07:21:16 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 6 07:17:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification In-Reply-To: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> Message-ID: <420635EC.6010602@att.net> JScully216@aol.com wrote: > I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. > The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The > fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the location. > Does anyone know? Sounds like Clay Center, Ohio. Check the fluorescence; it should be a difficult-to-describe cream color. If you do a quick search on "fluorite ohio" you will find Clay Center, as well as other localities. I don't know if they are in the same geographic district or if they occur over a wide area. http://www.sterlinghill.org/warren/specimenphotos.htm#fluoritecc By the way, just as a bit of trivia, the origin of the specimen is the "locality." This is a classic collectible; enjoy it with pride! Don From kqhayes at chartermi.net Sun Feb 6 07:35:09 2005 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (kqhayes@chartermi.net) Date: Sun Feb 6 07:35:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification Message-ID: <3k70kp$n3mgvn@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> It's from the quarry at Clay Center, Ohio. Typical association is celestine. There are two main varieties: one is brown, irridescent and the other is pale brown with phantoms. It should fluoresce nicely as with most fluorite from the Toledo area. Regards, Keith > > From: JScully216@aol.com > Date: 2005/02/06 Sun PM 02:11:14 GMT > To: rockhounds@onelist.com, rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification > > I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. > The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The > fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the location. > Does anyone know? > > Thanks > > John SCully > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kqhayes at chartermi.net Sun Feb 6 07:41:08 2005 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (kqhayes@chartermi.net) Date: Sun Feb 6 07:41:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification Message-ID: <3khdbt$hm7k2f@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> To follow up on Don's and my assumption that the material is from CC, Ohio. There was a decent amount of this material available in Tucson this year. People can not get into the quarry to collect, but as I understand it, a local individual has an arrangement with his friends who operate the quarry. they call him when good material is found during blasting and he collects the stuff. He then wholesales large lots. There was a large lot of material at Bloomington, IN this year and I think it ended up coming here to Tucson. Keith > > From: Don H > Date: 2005/02/06 Sun PM 03:21:16 GMT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Location Identification > > JScully216@aol.com wrote: > > > I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. > > The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The > > fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the location. > > Does anyone know? > > > Sounds like Clay Center, Ohio. Check the fluorescence; it should be a > difficult-to-describe cream color. If you do a quick search on > "fluorite ohio" you will find Clay Center, as well as other localities. > I don't know if they are in the same geographic district or if they > occur over a wide area. > > http://www.sterlinghill.org/warren/specimenphotos.htm#fluoritecc > > By the way, just as a bit of trivia, the origin of the specimen is the > "locality." > > This is a classic collectible; enjoy it with pride! > > > Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Feb 6 08:28:56 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 6 08:28:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> Message-ID: <004301c50c68$f53f36e0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> You might purchased "Minerals of Ohio" by Ernie Carlson. Check the Ohio Geological Survey web site. It is not expensive. Clay Center is mostly likely, but there are other quarries that produce brown fluorite. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification >I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. > The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The > fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the > location. > Does anyone know? > > Thanks > > John SCully > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Sun Feb 6 09:29:56 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Sun Feb 6 09:29:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification In-Reply-To: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> Message-ID: I have brown fluorite from at least 5 localities in Ohio. Since Clay Center material was apparently available at Tucson, this is the most likely locality. Fluorescence is not any help - all the brown Ohio fluorite I know of fluoresces brown. What is the matrix like? How dark brown is the fluorite? How strong is the irridescence? How cleanly formed are the cubes (i.e. nice flat faces, or faces with irregular growth in the centers)? Strongly irridescent dark brown fluorite is typically from Bellevue, from a quarry no longer in operation. John, if you can send me a digital image, I might be able to make a more informed guess.... But note that I'll be away all next week. Pete Richards >I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite in Tucson this past week. >The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than 3/8 inch on an edge. The >fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I neglected to get the location. >Does anyone know? > >Thanks > >John SCully > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From JScully216 at aol.com Sun Feb 6 11:15:50 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 6 11:16:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification Message-ID: <6d.3e62ceff.2f37c6e6@aol.com> Hi, Pete As always with fluorite I had a heck of a timegetting a half way decent photo. The color is accurate while the pic is a bit fuzzy. Thanks John Scully In a message dated 2/6/2005 10:30:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu writes: I have brown fluorite from at least 5 localities in Ohio. Since Clay Center material was apparently available at Tucson, this is the most likely locality. Fluorescence is not any help - all the brown Ohio fluorite I know of fluoresces brown. What is the matrix like? How dark brown is the fluorite? How strong is the irridescence? How cleanly formed are the cubes (i.e. nice flat faces, or faces with irregular growth in the centers)? Strongly irridescent dark brown fluorite is typically from Bellevue, from a quarry no longer in operation. John, if you can send me a digital image, I might be able to make a more informed guess.... But note that I'll be away all next week. Pete Richards --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From rgangue at yahoo.com Sun Feb 6 11:21:10 2005 From: rgangue at yahoo.com (Stan Perry) Date: Sun Feb 6 11:21:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification In-Reply-To: <3khdbt$hm7k2f@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20050206192110.87990.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I can second Kieth's comments. A large find of fluorite was made at Clay Center Ohio in 2004. The supplier is a annual attendee at the Bloomington, Indiana show and had a haul with them this year. I came home with three flats of jumbo pieces 6 plus inches or more across. The find was primarily dark Brown but there were some glassy yellow examples. The brown ones often had an iridescent coating on them some almost looking metallic. As Keith mentioned they are often associated with celestine. This is big aid when trying to ID OH fluorite. Clay Center has abundant bladed white to glassy colorless clestine. If you bought the sample from one of the dealers with a lrge supply of the brown fluorite it is almost undoubtably from Clay Center. You just don't see large supplies of the Ohio fluorite around very often. One note is the iridescence seems to retard the fluorescence. The golden or glassy brown fluoresce all over and are sometimes zoned. The very iridescent ones mostly fluoresce on the broken surfaces. These will also phosphoresce very well. If you want to see some (sorry about the quality) pics of a variety of the fluorite from the find click on the links below. Gemmy Brown http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter3a.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter3b.jpg Gemmy Brown Zoned http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter4a.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter4b.jpg Glassy Pale yellow http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter2b.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter2c.jpg UV shot http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter2a.jpg Dark Brown irridescent with celestine 10 inches across http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter10a.jpg http://emineralshow.com/images/fluorite_claycenter10b.jpg Cheers, Stan --- kqhayes@chartermi.net wrote: > To follow up on Don's and my assumption that the > material is from CC, Ohio. > > There was a decent amount of this material available > in Tucson this year. People can not get into the > quarry to collect, but as I understand it, a local > individual has an arrangement with his friends who > operate the quarry. they call him when good > material is found during blasting and he collects > the stuff. He then wholesales large lots. There > was a large lot of material at Bloomington, IN this > year and I think it ended up coming here to Tucson. > > Keith > > > > From: Don H > > Date: 2005/02/06 Sun PM 03:21:16 GMT > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors" > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Location Identification > > > > JScully216@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I purchased a beautiful piece of brown fluorite > in Tucson this past week. > > > The crystals are cubic, opaque and no more than > 3/8 inch on an edge. The > > > fluorite is iridescent. It's from Ohio, but I > neglected to get the location. > > > Does anyone know? > > > > > > Sounds like Clay Center, Ohio. Check the > fluorescence; it should be a > > difficult-to-describe cream color. If you do a > quick search on > > "fluorite ohio" you will find Clay Center, as well > as other localities. > > I don't know if they are in the same geographic > district or if they > > occur over a wide area. > > > > > http://www.sterlinghill.org/warren/specimenphotos.htm#fluoritecc > > > > By the way, just as a bit of trivia, the origin of > the specimen is the > > "locality." > > > > This is a classic collectible; enjoy it with > pride! > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/fox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/fox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tjokela at execulink.com Sun Feb 6 15:26:52 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 6 15:27:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mitchner's Pentagon Diamonds References: <094401c50c03$7acede20$6e5c70d1@S0033035959> Message-ID: <002601c50ca3$582528c0$6400a8c0@Junior> BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good tip for prospectors, if the rock is pentagonal it's a diamond! Thanks for passing that along, needed a good laugh!!! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Schmidling" To: "aRockhounds" Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:22 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mitchner's Pentagon Diamonds > Just finished reading... yawn... Mitchner's tome, "The Covenant" and among > other flaws, one of his heros found a big diamond after a lifetime of > fruitless searching. He knew it was a diamond because of the pentagon > shape. > > Makes one wonder about all his other fractoids. > > js > > PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm > Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Sun Feb 6 15:51:37 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 6 15:51:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Sorry I missed you all Message-ID: <146.3e0d169c.2f380789@aol.com> I lived in Puerto Rico about 30 years ago. For the fossil collectors among you. There were a number of neat sites for Miocene and Oligocene marine vertebrate fossils along the north coast and inland a few miles from Catano through Bayamon and then in the hills on the west side. Found lots of shark teeth including one Meg, Croc material, turtle, marine mammals. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From diente at prismnet.com Sun Feb 6 17:33:05 2005 From: diente at prismnet.com (diente@prismnet.com) Date: Sun Feb 6 17:33:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson show report Message-ID: <420670F1.9137.150F7DA@localhost> I returned early this morning from Tucson and thought I'd give a report. Early in the week there was much excitement. (This story is one of several variants I heard). Seems there was a car jacking, and high speed chase. Somehow the driver (jacker) was shot (don't know by whom), and the passenger was trying to drive from the passenger seat. The car crashed into the GJX building/tent. The way the story goes, the car just barely missed some propane tanks, and wedged into the building....with the car wheels spinning in place. This filled the GJX with smoke. As the police approached, one of the tires blew out, causing the police to hit the ground. Now I did not verify this. It was just what I heard people talking about. Besides, it is much more fun to pass along sensationalistic stories. If the car had hit the propane tank, one could have mined gemstones all over the downtown area. Anyway, on to the show. As some of you may know, there were some changes this year. The free shuttles were not running from the convention center as in the past. The hub moved to about two blocks west of I-10 on Congress Street. Also, the Arizona Mineral and Fossil show had different host hotels. The Ramada Inn on Oracle that was the "fossil mecca" in the past had been sold, and did not participate this year. Many of the dealers moved to the Ramada Inn west of the interstate. However many other dealers scattered to other places. The Executive Inn was no longer part the the Arizona Mineral and Fossil show. Many of those dealers relocated to the Clarion Inn, and to the Smugglers Inn. Both of these motels were far east of the downtown area, and required catching a different shuttle. In the past one shuttle travelled to all of the AM&FS locations. The Executive Inn put on its own show this year. Many of the dealers I talked with thought there were less browsers, and less people purchasing. This was especially the sentiment at the Smugglers, as it was the farthest away. However this hotel was in a very pretty setting. There were many Chinese and Russian dealers, and they were willing to make good deals. I found a very nice black capped Kashmiri tourmaline at J.R. Mineralien at the Inn Suites. There was still one very nice one on matrix left. This dealer also has top quality aquamarine and tourmalines, and other Afghan material. I also stopped by and visited with John Cornish at the I.S. It is nice to put a face together with a name of someone who posts on this list. Bulgarian Minerals at the Executive Inn had nice nailhead calcites that are fluorescent. This dealer also has octahedral diamond crystals that range is price from $70-120 or so. Peter Stazcho, a Czech dealer at the Clarion had something very interesting. It seems some 80 year old water pipes were replaced and found to be filled with aragonite. He had cut and polished thin slices of the pipe and aragonite. These had very nice banding in the mineral "scale" that had built up in the pipe. He also had some antique boxes that had been inlaid with theis material, long ago. At the Smugglers Inn, Deccan Minerals had a very nice selection of Indian zeolites. Nikhil had a few pieces of purple botryoidal fluorite. Now the yellow variety is fairly common.....or at least can be seen at most of the Indian dealer's showrooms, but I did not see the purple variety at any other place; and I looked at many different dealers. He also had some very nice calcite specimens. I also visited with Mustafain Kazmi of Pathan Gem and Minerals. He had written an article for the Pakistan issue of "Extra Lapis", and had a good selection of Pakistani minerals. This report is certainly not all inclusive. It is just a few of the dealers I visited, and minerals I saw that were somewhat different than the usual array. If you want to get away from the hotel shows, it is always an adventure to navigate the tents between the Days Inn and the Pueblo Inn. I found some yellow apatite crystals on highly fluorescent matrix, from Durango Minerals in one of the narrow corridors between tents. There are also more arts and crafts, and beads, and many other variations here. We revisted our favorite sushi restaurant.....Sushi Cho.....why there is great sushi in the desert is a mystery to me. We also discovered a great little taco place on Grant Rd.......Taqueria Tarachi. It is a "hole in the wall" place located next to a tattoo parlor. However it had great "tacos al pastor" and "barbacoa tacos" with an artful presentation that was inconsistent with the spartan d?cor. You must be adventurous, though. Please share any of your Tucson experiences. Paul Bordovsky Austin, TX I I From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Feb 6 18:42:37 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Feb 6 18:42:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? In-Reply-To: <4206321E.7000804@att.net> Message-ID: <20050207024237.58250.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> yeah the ones that are not red brown are the real pretty ones. I like the green yellow and the orange the best. But most colors expt blue can be gotten from garnet. --- Don H wrote: > Stephen Stover wrote: > > Garnet is a > > > >>commodity stone and even fine facteted examples > are > >>relatively > >>inexpensive compared to other semi-precious > species. > >> > > > > > > Depends on type...The green ones (Tsavorite ain't > cheap) > > True... thought about that after I posted. I don't > know if the green > uvarovite ever gets large enough to use as > jewelry--I have ever only > seen small crystals. > > I think most people, including me, might > instinctively picture a red > stone when they think of gem garnet--but that is not > always the case! > > Thanks, > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Sun Feb 6 22:25:17 2005 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Linda Rasmussen) Date: Sun Feb 6 22:27:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? References: <76.4c4345ed.2f378669@aol.com> Message-ID: <006d01c50cdd$cba1a000$665fe842@pavilion> If it is Purple/Redish it may have come from the Emerald Creek Idaho Star garnet fee dig area, south of St. Maries Idaho open in the summer only.....15 years ago a six ray was selling for $35 a carit and I have seen many finished the size of my thumb nail, a high number of the material run star's.....take mosquite spray.........not for the mosqito's, spray in on the out side of your food storage items, the bear's hate it. ( smile ) Happy trails.....ya all ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? > Thanks to all, our garnet is purple, will keep updating. > > Sincerely: Crescent Stone Company > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Gslrocks at aol.com Mon Feb 7 11:46:15 2005 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 7 11:47:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin NJ show and dig scheduele electronic registrations are now open! Message-ID: <15.3df5e4b7.2f391f87@aol.com> Here is a wealth of information in regards to the upcoming show and digs. I am putting this notice out early as for some people it will take some planning to attend. The Trotter site is only open 1 time a year during the spring show and only on saturday! There are 3 excellent sites to collect at for the weekend. A great mineral show with a great number of dealers both inside and outside. Tours of the Sterling Hill Mining complex, the Thomas S. Warren museum of fluorescence and the Franklin Mineral Museum. On a sad note John Cianciulli the Franklin Mineral Museum passed away on Jan 13th, his knowledge and expertise of the minerals of the area will be greatly missed. information can be found below or on the trotter website http://www.uvworld.org/ DVESS is now taking electronic payments via paypal or mail in registration forms THE 2005 TRIPLE DIGGG IS ON!!! Registration and Trip Information April 23 & 24, 2005 Along with the 32nd Annual NJESA Gem & Mineral Show & Outdoor Swap & Sell! The Delaware Valley Earth Science Society (DVESS) and the North East Field Trip Alliance (NEFTA), in cooperation with the Franklin Mineral Museum and Sterling Hill Mining Museum, invite you to share an international collecting experience. This field trip has attracted dedicated collectors from across the globe. Be one of them this year! Read the following terms, and then contact the coordinator below to reserve your spot . . . Trotter Mineral DumpBuckwheat DumpSterling Hill Dig Saturday April 23rd Facilities fee: $20 Daylight Hours: 9 AM to 7 PM Night Hours: 7:30 PM to 11 PM Daylight pound rate: $1/pound Nightlight pound rate: $2/pound Provided: ? Running water ? Restroom facilities ? Darkroom for admiring your fluorescent minerals ? Electricity (in darkroom) ? Off-road parking area No one under 9 years old will be permitted on this site. Saturday April 23rd Facilities fee: included in Trotter fee Daylight Hours: 10 AM to 4 PM Night Hours: Sorry :) NO night dig Daylight pound rate: $1/pound Provided: ? Restroom facilities ? Darkroom for admiring your fluorescent minerals ? Electricity ? Off-road parking area Children must be accompanied by an adult. Sunday April 24th Facilities fee: $10 The $10 fee will be collected on-site by the Sterling Hill Mining Museum at time of first entry (bring cash!) and you will be credited against poundage fee. Daylight Hours: 9 AM to 3 PM Night Hours: Sorry :) NO night dig Daylight pound rate: $1/pound Provided ? Restroom facilities ? Electricity (in darkroom) ? Off-road parking area ? Darkroom for admiring your fluorescent minerals. No one under 13 years old will be permitted on this site. Please note -- each of the three sites above is operated by a different group or organization, so there are different facilities, fees, rules, etc. for each site - as shown in the sections above. In addition, there are rules and requirements that are common to all three sites and to the ?dig? in general - these are below: ? Tools and UV lights will be available for purchase at the Franklin Museum and the Sterling Hill Mining Museum. Both Trotter and Buckwheat will have excavation / turnover of fresh NEW soil areas for your digging pleasure. ? Attendance is by advance reservation. Sign up early! See below for details on registering online with PAYPAL or by check. We MUST have at least 100 people. and . . . in case you are wondering, it IS ?rain or shine? -- so come prepared!!! ? Local hotels/motels fill up quickly, so if you are staying in the area overnight be sure to reserve early. ? All collectors must carry liability insurance that covers damage to the property, such as the insurance offered by the EFMLS to its affiliate clubs. Your club must co-sponsor the activity in order to be covered by Federation policies. If you have no other means of insurance, you may join the DVESS on-site (while registering) to get coverage by the DVESS insurance. (Proof of personal liability is acceptable.) Collectors enter any site at their own risk and must sign a hold-harmless liability waiver when registering. ? Standard Federation safety rules apply ? safety goggles and durable footwear are mandatory (no sneakers or sandals). Work gloves are strongly recommended. PLEASE!!!! Note the age requirement at each site. ? All guests at Trotter/Buckwheat sites receive a $1 discount coupon for tour of Sterling Hill Mining Museum (good only on Sunday, April 24th) To register by mail, send $20 per collector made out to DVESS to Jeff Winkler 55 White Way Pompton Lakes NJ 07442 Email: TripMaster@UVworld.org Phone: 973-835-2582 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Feb 7 13:28:12 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Feb 7 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] A big THANK YOU to my UK Friends! In-Reply-To: <15.3df5e4b7.2f391f87@aol.com> Message-ID: <200502072128.j17LSHl4007215@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I'd just like to tell the group what a great time I had over in the UK a couple of weeks ago! A giant thanks to Colleen and Shelia at Thompson Minerals and Matt at WildAboutRocks! The kindness and generosity shown to me by these folks was simply wonderful. You know, we are incredibly lucky to be in the hobby we're in! I've made friends all over the world. What is really wonderful is meeting face-to-face folks I've only know on line. Regards, Gary From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Feb 7 17:18:57 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 7 17:18:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kreigh Tomaszewski email? References: <007901c50358$9236d6c0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <002801c503bd$15f2e7b0$6400a8c0@Junior> <004f01c50418$123003f0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <003c01c50d7c$29b91b70$6400a8c0@Junior> Sorry to bother the list, but I've been trying to contact Kreigh Tomaszewski without any success and am hoping he or somebody else will see this and give me his correct email address, as my replies are not bouncing and not arriving. Is Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net correct and current? ??? Thanks! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com From edben at prodigy.net Mon Feb 7 18:25:09 2005 From: edben at prodigy.net (edben) Date: Mon Feb 7 18:25:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kreigh Tomaszewski email? References: <007901c50358$9236d6c0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><002801c503bd$15f2e7b0$6400a8c0@Junior><004f01c50418$123003f0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <003c01c50d7c$29b91b70$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <000501c50d85$6a8dda60$dd719f04@benjamin> Hello, Tim. I don't know if Kreigh is out of town or not, but you have his number right. Check with his website, . Maybe he's got a clue there. Ed Benjamin, Club bulletin Editor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Kreigh Tomaszewski email? > Sorry to bother the list, but I've been trying to contact Kreigh > Tomaszewski without any success and am hoping he or somebody else will see > this and give me his correct email address, as my replies are not bouncing > and not arriving. > > Is Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net correct and current? > > ??? > > Thanks! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From TomE61 at aol.com Mon Feb 7 19:36:39 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 7 19:36:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: UK Contacts Message-ID: Gary, do you have contact information for Thompson Minerals (website or e-mail for Colleen and/or Sheila)? The so-called extensive search I did resulted in lots of vitamin and mineral sites. I've already been to the WildAboutRocks site. Glad you had a great time in the UK. I may be back there in April and would enjoy some contacts. Thanks, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jemstone at amug.org Mon Feb 7 20:11:10 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Mon Feb 7 20:11:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? References: <20050206063118.39739.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> <4206321E.7000804@att.net> Message-ID: <004001c50d94$394b8a60$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Uvarotie can be used the same as any other drusy crystal. If it forms a rich cover on fairly flat matrix it can be an emerald green drusy. A cab shaped stone with a solid coating of uvaroite is a beautiful gem. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona - back from many days in Tucson with lots of stones and no money. From: "Don H" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Can Garnet be worked? . . . . . I don't know if the green > uvarovite ever gets large enough to use as jewelry--I have ever only seen > small crystals. . . . . > > Thanks, > Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 7 20:42:29 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 7 20:39:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kreigh Tomaszewski email? References: <007901c50358$9236d6c0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <002801c503bd$15f2e7b0$6400a8c0@Junior> <004f01c50418$123003f0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <003c01c50d7c$29b91b70$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <42084261.40BD@Tomaszewski.net> Tim, You had the address right. I did finally get your message. No idea what the problem was with messages disappearing (all my spam filters tag; I review everything, and actively report). You should have a reply by now. Kreigh Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > > Sorry to bother the list, but I've been trying to contact Kreigh Tomaszewski > without any success and am hoping he or somebody else will see this and give > me his correct email address, as my replies are not bouncing and not > arriving. > > Is Kreigh@Tomaszewski.net correct and current? > > ??? > > Thanks! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue Feb 8 07:00:54 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Feb 8 07:00:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: UK Contacts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502081500.j18F0v20027440@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Answered off list... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > TomE61@aol.com > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:37 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: UK Contacts > > > Gary, do you have contact information for Thompson Minerals > (website or e-mail for Colleen and/or Sheila)? The so-called > extensive search I did resulted in lots of vitamin and mineral sites. > > I've already been to the WildAboutRocks site. > > Glad you had a great time in the UK. I may be back there in > April and would enjoy some contacts. > > Thanks, > Tom Russell > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pgre at alltel.net Tue Feb 8 09:07:57 2005 From: pgre at alltel.net (Paul and Robin Green) Date: Tue Feb 8 09:11:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: True North Gems recovers 1.17 carat cut sapphire from Beluga mini-bulk sample Message-ID: <000601c50e00$bcf52b20$0200000a@alltel.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "True North Gems Inc." To: "P Gre" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: True North Gems recovers 1.17 carat cut sapphire from Beluga mini-bulk sample > ======================================================================= > Re: News Release - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 > True North Gems recovers 1.17 carat cut sapphire from Beluga > mini-bulk sample > ======================================================================= > > Vancouver, February 8, 2004 - True North Gems is pleased to announce > the delivery of an impressive 1.17 carat, extra-fine quality, > cushion-cut sapphire gemstone recovered from the 2004 mini-bulk sample > that was collected at the Company's Beluga sapphire deposit on Baffin > Island, Nunavut, Canada. > > "To our knowledge, this is the very first, extra-fine quality sapphire > gemstone exceeding a carat in weight ever produced from a deposit in > Canada" said William Rohtert, True North's Chief of Operations. He > added: "This remarkable gemstone is an important development in the > exploration of the Beluga sapphire occurrence". > > Published industry price guides list the wholesale values for natural > blue extra-fine sapphires range between US$1,500 and US$1,800 per > carat. True North's management believes that stones of this description > from the Baffin Island project would command a premium based on the > unique source of the sapphire. > > The stone was recovered from a measured mini-bulk sample of 4.28 tonnes > in weight and is part of the 141.9 gram gem component of the sample > reported previously (see Press Release dated January 25, 2005). The > results of the rough sapphire stone count from the measured mini-bulk > sample previously announced by the Company comprise over 790 grams per > tonne total sapphire. > > The large gem sapphire was cut by Brad Wilson of Alpine Gems in > Kingston, Ontario, Canada. The recovery and cutting of the 1.17 carat > sapphire was conducted as part of preliminary cutting experiments with > the all-natural untreated sapphires at dedicated laboratories in Canada > and Mexico. In two recent tests, 75 stones with a total weight of > 22.04 carats, including the 1.17-carat cushion-cut, were produced at an > overall yield on faceting of 13.5 %from 32.61 grams of starting > material. Previously, another 48 sapphires with a total weight of > 16.50 carats were produced from 95.40 grams of gem and near-gem-quality > rough that were recovered from a 1.116 kilogram sample of selected > material during the collection of the measured mini-bulk sample. > > The new sapphires from Baffin Island are available for viewing at the > website: www.truenorthgems.com. > > The planning and execution of the sapphire exploration and quality > control programs at Beluga are under the management and supervision of > William Rohtert, True North's Chief Operating Officer. Mr. Rohtert is a > qualified person as defined by National Instrument 43-101. Mr Rohtert > directly controls the gemmological grading and manufacturing > experiments. > > True North Gems is a public company listed on the TSX Venture exchange > and is engaged in the exploration and development of North American > coloured gemstone deposits. The company is a pioneer in Canadian > coloured gemstone exploration and owns a 100% interest in the > Yukon-based Tsa da Glisza emerald property and the rights to earn 100% > interest in the Beluga sapphire property located on Baffin Island and > the Fiskenaesset ruby deposit in Greenland. > > For further information contact: > > William Rohtert, Chief of Operations > - or - > Ken Shortt, Investor Relations > > Telephone: 604-687-8055 or 1-800-399-8055 > Visit our website: www.truenorthgems.com > Email: ken@truenorthgems.com > www.truenorthgems.com > > > The TSX Venture Exchange has not reviewed and does not accept > responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of the release. The Company > relies on litigation protection for "forward-looking" statements. > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Feb 8 14:56:01 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Feb 8 16:56:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock References: Message-ID: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Hey List, Due to the unseasonably warm/cold/warm weather here in Idaho I was doing some yard work today, cleaning up debris and dog toys around the cabin, when I came across some concretions that I had collected at K-M Mountain, Washington last year. These were large (softball-sized) and three out of four were perfect spheres. I had little hope of fossil inclusions since the larger concretions from this locality usually disappoint. But I noticed that the fourth one, which was crescent-shaped, had cracked due to all of the freezing and thawing. When I pulled it apart I saw what, at first, appeared to be several crab fossils. Upon closer inspection I realized that this was one HUGE crab! Although it is currently in several pieces, once prepped and reassembled it' s carapace will measure over 6cm and claw to claw will measure about 10cm. This locality is a roadcut along the Columbia River in Washington, USA made up of tuffaceous mudstone/sandstone of the Eocene Lincoln Creek Formation eroding out gastropods and pelecypods, etc. But the main quarry here is the elusive crab ball. The crabs here have been identified as Zanthopsis vulgaris Rathbun and Portunites triangulum Rathbun. I won't know which this is until I prep it further. Pardon the cross posting but what a cool discovery among the dog droppings! John From tjokela at execulink.com Tue Feb 8 19:00:02 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Tue Feb 8 19:00:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com> <004301c50c68$f53f36e0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <005c01c50e53$732869f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Six foot high reconstruction of a megalodon jaw with about 150 6" teeth now available on eBay. Bidding currently at 11k. URL will doubtless wrap so cut and paste it, hope it works. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6510068728&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 Gentlemen, start yer bidding! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Feb 8 19:34:24 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Feb 8 19:34:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com><004301c50c68$f53f36e0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <005c01c50e53$732869f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <007b01c50e58$4017f530$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Actually, I am creating an exhibit on the history of sharks at the Interpretive Center and was planning to paint a life-size Megalodon jaw on the wall. Now I've got a model to work from! Thanks! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Cc: "Ontario Rocks" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? > Six foot high reconstruction of a megalodon jaw with about 150 6" teeth > now available on eBay. > > Bidding currently at 11k. > > URL will doubtless wrap so cut and paste it, hope it works. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6510068728&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 > > Gentlemen, start yer bidding! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From willows30 at alltel.net Tue Feb 8 20:28:03 2005 From: willows30 at alltel.net (James A. Rollins) Date: Tue Feb 8 20:28:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiny fossil teeth Message-ID: <002b01c50e5f$bf17d7e0$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> While looking through some grey-green clay-sand balls/oyster shells that are found on a highway cut on US 27 north of Lumpkin, Stewart Co. Ga. I found two very tiny fossilized teeth. One is black 4 mm long by 2 mm wide it appears to be a very tiny shark tooth. The other is also black and tiny but it looks like a incisor of a gnawing animal possibly the size of a mouse or shrew. Dimensions are: 2.5 l x 0.8 mm. The area where these specimens were collected belong in what is known as the Clayton formation. It is near the fall line or upper Georgia Coastal Plain. Does anyone want to venture a guess as what kind of animals these two teeth belong to? I'll take them to the Southeastern Micromounters Symposium 25-26 of this month in Dowling Park, FL If anyone would like a picture of these teeth, email me at willows30@alltel.net James A. Rollins --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Tue Feb 8 20:57:22 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Tue Feb 8 20:57:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiny fossil teeth References: <002b01c50e5f$bf17d7e0$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <001601c50e63$d78d73d0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> We find tiny fossilized shark teeth, ray plates, and other dental fossils that are shiny black as obsidian (SiO2) along the Tombigbee River in southern Alabama. Glenn Wimpee ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tiny fossil teeth While looking through some grey-green clay-sand balls/oyster shells that are found on a highway cut on US 27 north of Lumpkin, Stewart Co. Ga. I found two very tiny fossilized teeth. One is black 4 mm long by 2 mm wide it appears to be a very tiny shark tooth. The other is also black and tiny but it looks like a incisor of a gnawing animal possibly the size of a mouse or shrew. Dimensions are: 2.5 l x 0.8 mm. The area where these specimens were collected belong in what is known as the Clayton formation. It is near the fall line or upper Georgia Coastal Plain. Does anyone want to venture a guess as what kind of animals these two teeth belong to? I'll take them to the Southeastern Micromounters Symposium 25-26 of this month in Dowling Park, FL If anyone would like a picture of these teeth, email me at willows30@alltel.net James A. Rollins From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Tue Feb 8 21:03:26 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Tue Feb 8 21:03:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? References: <1a9.30ffbc67.2f377f82@aol.com><004301c50c68$f53f36e0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005c01c50e53$732869f0$6400a8c0@Junior> <007b01c50e58$4017f530$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <001b01c50e64$b05dc160$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> The Florida Museum of Natural History in Gainesville has a similar recontructed Megaladon jaw on display. The teeth were found in the St. Johns River near Jacksonville. I have pictures from our visit last year. Cool stuff! Glenn Wimpee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? > Actually, I am creating an exhibit on the history of sharks at the > Interpretive Center and was planning to paint a life-size Megalodon jaw on > the wall. Now I've got a model to work from! Thanks! > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Jokela Jr." > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Cc: "Ontario Rocks" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:00 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? > > >> Six foot high reconstruction of a megalodon jaw with about 150 6" teeth >> now available on eBay. >> >> Bidding currently at 11k. >> >> URL will doubtless wrap so cut and paste it, hope it works. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6510068728&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 >> >> Gentlemen, start yer bidding! >> >> Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com >> Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com >> The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com >> Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From buff1 at ptd.net Wed Feb 9 05:17:50 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Wed Feb 9 05:17:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pet rock ??...... Message-ID: <420A0D7E.5020403@ptd.net> This may be slightly off topic but thought there may be a few crafty people out there... I know of a family who has a young teen that has cystic fibrosis and obviously is not allowed to have any pets, but the girl would like one. My thought toward solution was of course a pet rock. No dander, no pests, no allergins. My question is does anyone know where a person might be able to obtain such a thing as a small little battery powered noise or voice box such as would be used in a stuffed animal to make it purr or vibrate or some other endearing sound?? I was thinking of making a kangaroo pet rock that comes in its own little pouch, you know, so any ideas would be appreciated. And yes I suspect baby roos do not purr... but you get the idea... From libawc at emory.edu Wed Feb 9 10:30:01 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Feb 9 10:30:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <00d401c50ed5$5e417c20$06be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Congrats John! What a wonderful discovery. Are you able to post a picture once it's prepped? Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John Siebel Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:56 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Hey List, Due to the unseasonably warm/cold/warm weather here in Idaho I was doing some yard work today, cleaning up debris and dog toys around the cabin, when I came across some concretions that I had collected at K-M Mountain, Washington last year. These were large (softball-sized) and three out of four were perfect spheres. I had little hope of fossil inclusions since the larger concretions from this locality usually disappoint. But I noticed that the fourth one, which was crescent-shaped, had cracked due to all of the freezing and thawing. When I pulled it apart I saw what, at first, appeared to be several crab fossils. Upon closer inspection I realized that this was one HUGE crab! Although it is currently in several pieces, once prepped and reassembled it' s carapace will measure over 6cm and claw to claw will measure about 10cm. This locality is a roadcut along the Columbia River in Washington, USA made up of tuffaceous mudstone/sandstone of the Eocene Lincoln Creek Formation eroding out gastropods and pelecypods, etc. But the main quarry here is the elusive crab ball. The crabs here have been identified as Zanthopsis vulgaris Rathbun and Portunites triangulum Rathbun. I won't know which this is until I prep it further. Pardon the cross posting but what a cool discovery among the dog droppings! John _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Wed Feb 9 06:53:53 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Feb 9 10:54:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pet rock ??...... References: <420A0D7E.5020403@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000001c50ed8$ea5e4aa0$2f8b4c0c@fekib> Dennis: If there is a "Build-A-Bear" store anywhere near you, they may sell you one of their stuffed animal voice boxes, which are used to build stuffed animals for kids while they wait. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Buffenmyer To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] pet rock ??...... This may be slightly off topic but thought there may be a few crafty people out there... I know of a family who has a young teen that has cystic fibrosis and obviously is not allowed to have any pets, but the girl would like one. My thought toward solution was of course a pet rock. No dander, no pests, no allergins. My question is does anyone know where a person might be able to obtain such a thing as a small little battery powered noise or voice box such as would be used in a stuffed animal to make it purr or vibrate or some other endearing sound?? I was thinking of making a kangaroo pet rock that comes in its own little pouch, you know, so any ideas would be appreciated. And yes I suspect baby roos do not purr... but you get the idea... _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Feb 9 12:09:36 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 9 12:09:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050209120455.030400e0@mail.spiritone.com> Congratulations, you found the freeze-thaw-freeze method of cracking crab concretions. Almost all the flattened, ovoid (as opposed to spherical, or nearly so, and cylindrical) concretions from K-M Mtn. are crabs (and I say almost just to include the possibility that one isn't - I have never collected a blank, flattened concretion from there). Most "in-the-know" collectors there leave the round "mudballs" in the ditch for "passers-by bait" - it keeps them off the good spots :) At 02:56 PM 2/8/2005, you wrote: >Hey List, > >Due to the unseasonably warm/cold/warm weather here in Idaho I was doing >some yard work today, cleaning up debris and dog toys around the cabin, when >I came across some concretions that I had collected at K-M Mountain, >Washington last year. These were large (softball-sized) and three out of >four were perfect spheres. I had little hope of fossil inclusions since the >larger concretions from this locality usually disappoint. But I noticed that >the fourth one, which was crescent-shaped, had cracked due to all of the >freezing and thawing. When I pulled it apart I saw what, at first, appeared >to be several crab fossils. Upon closer inspection I realized that this was >one HUGE crab! > >Although it is currently in several pieces, once prepped and reassembled it' >s carapace will measure over 6cm and claw to claw will measure about 10cm. > >This locality is a roadcut along the Columbia River in Washington, USA made >up of tuffaceous mudstone/sandstone of the Eocene Lincoln Creek Formation >eroding out gastropods and pelecypods, etc. But the main quarry here is the >elusive crab ball. The crabs here have been identified as Zanthopsis >vulgaris Rathbun and Portunites triangulum Rathbun. I won't know which this >is until I prep it further. > >Pardon the cross posting but what a cool discovery among the dog droppings! > >John Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tjokela at execulink.com Wed Feb 9 12:32:18 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed Feb 9 12:32:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? References: <000601c50e00$bcf52b20$0200000a@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001501c50ee6$732579f0$6400a8c0@Junior> I find eBay's mineral section quite disgusting, with a lot of hype and outright lying and fakery going on. Eg. dyed saffron-yellow okenite, blue apatite being sold as cordierite, diamond ore, every single specimen being described as extremely rare, unique, AAAAAA museum piece, that sort of thing. I worry that beginning mineral collectors are perhaps building their collections via eBay, with no idea that they're being sold fakes and overpriced garbage. eBay is a blight on the hobby, some starting collectors are going to get a big surprise when they realize what they've bought. A horrible introduction to a wonderful hobby. Does anybody familiar with the inner workings of eBay have any suggestions on how eBay can be cleaned up? Any ideas would be appreciated. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com From SMKELL45 at aol.com Wed Feb 9 12:44:36 2005 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 9 12:44:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? Message-ID: <60293780.11310B6A.0079B709@aol.com> E-bay minerals are sold " buyer beware. Having said that if a buyer feels that he was lied to, he can complain to the vender. My experience has been that the venders generally are flexible taking back mislabeled material. They don't want those negative comments on their history. smkell From Suzy3D at aol.com Wed Feb 9 12:50:01 2005 From: Suzy3D at aol.com (Suzy3D@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 9 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? Message-ID: <140.3dc2a059.2f3bd179@aol.com> Tim, I don't think Ebay can be cleaned up, as Ebay itself can't and won't police its sellers. I have some experience buying Asian antiques on Ebay, and I'd say at least 90% for sale there are not as described. They're either old furniture with new paint, or outright fakes. I've almost never seen an authentic antique bronze listed, even though they all claim to be the real thing, and anything listed as being from Tibet is suspect. (That said, I did buy an authentic 17th century Tibetan bronze figure on Ebay, for a very good price. I'm guessing no one knew what it was.) Ebay can't possible monitor and authenticate every item listed for sale, so I'm afraid the best answer will remain "buyer beware". Karen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Wed Feb 9 11:04:39 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:26:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] References: <420A0D7E.5020403@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000201c50eee$0e3e5ae0$89824c0c@fekib> I have acquired a specimen of Ernesite, a new mineral for me. It is about 2X3X8cm, and is well terminated, but weathered, and is a dark brown in color. It has no matrix. I am curious about the retail value of this. Any thoughts? Larry Rush Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From hptdesigns at charter.net Wed Feb 9 13:33:17 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:32:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? In-Reply-To: <140.3dc2a059.2f3bd179@aol.com> Message-ID: <3rb42s$kg37tg@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> There are some very legitimate dealers on ebay and I have had pretty good success on ebay--although I have also been of course disappointed. My advice is to know who the dealers are -- and deal with only the ones you know are legitimate. You can easily create a favorite dealer list and only go them. For example Dale Rocks, Brian Kosnar , Dave Bunk (on occasion), Lawrence Conklin, and others regularly have postings and stores on ebay. What I would really like to see happen is for John Veevaert's Mineral Auction take off in the next year or so now that he has opened it up to other dealers and he screens them http://www.trinityminerals.com/auction/index.php3. I like his format much better. Auction begins to close at certain time and then continues until no bid for 10 minutes. And of course there are legitimate dealers such as irocks.com and Dan Weinrich who have regular auctions. Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Suzy3D@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:50 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? > > Tim, > > I don't think Ebay can be cleaned up, as Ebay itself can't > and won't police its sellers. I have some experience buying > Asian antiques on Ebay, and I'd say at least 90% for sale > there are not as described. They're either old furniture with > new paint, or outright fakes. I've almost never seen an > authentic antique bronze listed, even though they all claim > to be the real thing, and anything listed as being from Tibet > is suspect. (That said, I did buy an authentic 17th century > Tibetan bronze figure on Ebay, for a very good price. I'm > guessing no one knew what it was.) > > Ebay can't possible monitor and authenticate every item > listed for sale, so I'm afraid the best answer will remain > "buyer beware". > > Karen > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tjokela at execulink.com Wed Feb 9 13:43:48 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:43:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] References: <420A0D7E.5020403@ptd.net> <000201c50eee$0e3e5ae0$89824c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <004301c50ef0$700bab40$6400a8c0@Junior> That would probably be ernstite, pseudomorphous after eosphorite, from Namibia? Not pretty, but nice specimens of an unusual pseudomorph. Google should turn up some numbers. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I have acquired a specimen of Ernesite, a new mineral for me. It is about 2X3X8cm, and is well terminated, but weathered, and is a dark brown in color. It has no matrix. I am curious about the retail value of this. Any thoughts? Larry Rush Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Wed Feb 9 13:43:34 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:43:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Message-ID: <532D7EB5.7CD8FAFB.02180873@aol.com> For those of us who collect or have collected Mazon Creek Fossils, the yard-rock freeze / thaw process is intentional, not accidental. Every year I drag the buckets of concretions I collected there years ago out onto my driveway and fill them with water right before the cold of winter sets in. Then each spring I dry them, inspect for cracks or opened ones and put the rest back in the garage for next year. Each year some open up, perhaps not as many as the first few years with fresh concretions, but I get at least one special find every year. Ain't backyard collecting grand?? Gene Hartstein Newark, DE From Lapadary at aol.com Wed Feb 9 13:54:18 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:54:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? Message-ID: I think eBay is just like any other market -- except for a few rip-off's who don't care what they sell or what the price is; they want to get that "shipping & handling" charge. I got stung with a excessive charge once. On the other hand, I also bought 220 pounds (10 kilos) of old coins -- something that is not for sale in my home town -- and probably not in yours, for a bargain price. In my opinion, the coins were a bargain. The price for the same item is now $100 more than what I paid and he raised the shipping $30 since I bought. However, there sure is a lot of Sleeping Beauty turquoise being sold on eBay. Let the buyer beware. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 9 12:02:11 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 9 14:02:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock References: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20050209120455.030400e0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <002501c50ee2$45349980$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Tim, Gene, I actually tried the freeze/thaw method when we lived in Portland. As you know, it seldom gets cold enough there so I used my (tada!) freezer. I would soak them in warm water then in and out of the freezer every few weeks. Didn't have much luck with that (call me impatient) so I found that a quick, judicious whack with a hammer usually opened them up nicely. I have also found some nice little fossils seeding the "mudballs". Thanks for leaving them Tim! :) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" > Congratulations, you found the freeze-thaw-freeze method of cracking crab > concretions. Almost all the flattened, ovoid (as opposed to spherical, or > nearly so, and cylindrical) concretions from K-M Mtn. are crabs (and I say > almost just to include the possibility that one isn't - I have never > collected a blank, flattened concretion from there). Most "in-the-know" > collectors there leave the round "mudballs" in the ditch for "passers-by > bait" - it keeps them off the good spots :) > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 9 12:09:28 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 9 14:10:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock References: <00d401c50ed5$5e417c20$06be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <003101c50ee3$48b95e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks Anita! Don't have a digital yet so I guess I'll have to break out the old SLR. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Westlake" > Congrats John! What a wonderful discovery. Are you able to post a picture > once it's prepped? > > Anita From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Wed Feb 9 16:18:26 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Wed Feb 9 16:18:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? References: <000601c50e00$bcf52b20$0200000a@alltel.net> <001501c50ee6$732579f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <001c01c50f06$0ab87b90$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Buyer beware1 I would suggest that if you purchase a suspect specimen, take it ot a pro, evaluate it and if it is not as advertised, send an unfavorable response. eBay keeps this in the seller's file and you can see how others who bought from a source rate it. Read the ratings! You can complain to eBay and they will remove cons....but there is the rub....cons are always looking for marks. Glenn Wimpee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? >I find eBay's mineral section quite disgusting, with a lot of hype and >outright lying and fakery going on. > > Does anybody familiar with the inner workings of eBay have any suggestions > on how eBay can be cleaned up? > > Any ideas would be appreciated. From kqhayes at chartermi.net Wed Feb 9 16:31:01 2005 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (kqhayes@chartermi.net) Date: Wed Feb 9 16:31:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Message-ID: <3khj1l$hinov3@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> There is material from Brazil as well. Miniatures of up to 2 inches typically go for $5-20/piece. Need another one? :) Keith > > From: "Tim Jokela Jr." > Date: 2005/02/09 Wed PM 09:43:48 GMT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] > > That would probably be ernstite, pseudomorphous after eosphorite, from > Namibia? Not pretty, but nice specimens of an unusual pseudomorph. > > Google should turn up some numbers. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lawrence Rush" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] > > > I have acquired a specimen of Ernesite, a new mineral for me. It is about > 2X3X8cm, and is well terminated, but weathered, and is a dark brown in > color. It has no matrix. I am curious about the retail value of this. Any > thoughts? > > Larry Rush > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > text/plain (text body -- kept) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jbryankramer at msn.com Wed Feb 9 16:35:32 2005 From: jbryankramer at msn.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 9 16:35:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? In-Reply-To: <001b01c50e64$b05dc160$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: I live about 20 minutes away from there, here's a picture of their jaws: http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fossilhall/ BK -------Original Message----- --From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com --[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of --Glenn's Mail --Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 00:03 --To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors --Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? -- -- --The Florida Museum of Natural History in Gainesville has a similar --recontructed Megaladon jaw on display. The teeth were found --in the St. Johns --River near Jacksonville. --I have pictures from our visit last year. Cool stuff! -- --Glenn Wimpee -- ------- Original Message ----- --From: "Alan Goldstein" --To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem --collectors" -- --Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:34 PM --Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? -- -- --> Actually, I am creating an exhibit on the history of sharks at the --> Interpretive Center and was planning to paint a life-size --Megalodon jaw on --> the wall. Now I've got a model to work from! Thanks! --> --> Alan --> --> ----- Original Message ----- --> From: "Tim Jokela Jr." --> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and --gem collectors" --> --> Cc: "Ontario Rocks" --> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:00 PM --> Subject: [Rockhounds] got shark teeth? --> --> -->> Six foot high reconstruction of a megalodon jaw with about 150 6" -->> teeth -->> now available on eBay. -->> -->> Bidding currently at 11k. -->> -->> URL will doubtless wrap so cut and paste it, hope it works. -->> -->> --http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6510068728&ssPageN -->> ame=ADME:B:EF:US:1 -->> -->> Gentlemen, start yer bidding! -->> -->> Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com -->> Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com -->> The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals -->> through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com -->> _______________________________________________ -->> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List -->> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds -->> Subscription Services: -->> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -->> --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --> Subscription Services: --> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- --_______________________________________________ --Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List --WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds --Subscription Services: --http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- From kqhayes at chartermi.net Wed Feb 9 16:41:25 2005 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (kqhayes@chartermi.net) Date: Wed Feb 9 16:41:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trinity Auctions / Ad? Message-ID: <3k01ib$lrajr8@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Tommy, Thanks for the nice words about the Trinity Auction. I am helping John V. out as the auction administrator. We have run several test auctions now using a new software that John had written just for the expansion. We have a series of changes to be coded to make it more user-friendly which will completed in the next month. We expect to start up the auctions again in mid-March. If anyone is interested, you can look at the site: http://www.mineral-auctions.com/index.shtml You will note that all the folks who are auctioning minerals have background information on the site. You will also note a code of conduct and a return policy! John and I stand behind all the the people auctioning minerals on our site and will take action to sort out any problems of misrepresentation, fraud, picture-faking, etc. Anyway, we appreciate any feedback and hope you get a chance to participate. Thanks, Keith > > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > Date: 2005/02/09 Wed PM 09:33:17 GMT > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? > > There are some very legitimate dealers on ebay and I have had pretty good > success on ebay--although I have also been of course disappointed. My advice > is to know who the dealers are -- and deal with only the ones you know are > legitimate. You can easily create a favorite dealer list and only go them. > For example Dale Rocks, Brian Kosnar , Dave Bunk (on occasion), Lawrence > Conklin, and others regularly have postings and stores on ebay. > > What I would really like to see happen is for John Veevaert's Mineral > Auction take off in the next year or so now that he has opened it up to > other dealers and he screens them > http://www.trinityminerals.com/auction/index.php3. I like his format much > better. Auction begins to close at certain time and then continues until no > bid for 10 minutes. And of course there are legitimate dealers such as > irocks.com and Dan Weinrich who have regular auctions. > > Tommy Armstrong > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a > spark from their juxtaposition." > Max Ernst > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Suzy3D@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:50 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? > > > > Tim, > > > > I don't think Ebay can be cleaned up, as Ebay itself can't > > and won't police its sellers. I have some experience buying > > Asian antiques on Ebay, and I'd say at least 90% for sale > > there are not as described. They're either old furniture with > > new paint, or outright fakes. I've almost never seen an > > authentic antique bronze listed, even though they all claim > > to be the real thing, and anything listed as being from Tibet > > is suspect. (That said, I did buy an authentic 17th century > > Tibetan bronze figure on Ebay, for a very good price. I'm > > guessing no one knew what it was.) > > > > Ebay can't possible monitor and authenticate every item > > listed for sale, so I'm afraid the best answer will remain > > "buyer beware". > > > > Karen > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From johnjold at comcast.net Wed Feb 9 17:05:39 2005 From: johnjold at comcast.net (John Joldersma) Date: Wed Feb 9 17:05:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? In-Reply-To: <001501c50ee6$732579f0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <000601c50e00$bcf52b20$0200000a@alltel.net> <001501c50ee6$732579f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: If you spot a fraudulent item being sold, you can report it to eBay. eBay is very responsive to such reports. Many of the problems are due to clearly unknowing individuals selling items they know little about. I have learned to be immune to hype and suggest this approach to eBay hype, political hype, religious hype and Hollywood hype. * Early in my eBay buying I bid on 2 lots of fire agate and had misgivings when they tried to sell me more at the same price. I refused that offer and asked for an invoice on the two lots. I never got an invoice but I found two other guys who had sent in money and got nothing. We coordinated our complaints to eBay Fair Trade and had almost immediate results. I had an answet to the original complaint in less than an hour and resolution in three days. Give eBay a chance. At their rate of growth it can't be stopped. The other weapon you have on eBay is feedback. I always look at feedback before bidding on anything. I then know if I am giving a beginner a chance or dealing with a pro. The threat of negative feedback is enough to get refunds or adjustments on items purchased. You don't have to pop off a negative feedback before you have had a chance for a refund. You have 90 days to leave feedback, more than enough time for negotiations. If you see a problem there are places to go with it. The concept of eBay is community. Much like the rockhound community. We both have our good guys and problems and we need to look out for each other From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Wed Feb 9 19:42:27 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Wed Feb 9 19:42:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures Message-ID: <00ca01c50f22$91a2afb0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> hpphoto.com: invitation from JeanetteBelow is a link to 2 pics we took of the shark jaws at the FMNH in Gainesville. 2 granddaughters, ages 7 & 12, give scale. BTW the floor in the jaw display is covered completely with BIG megalodon teeth! Glenn Wimpee ----- Original Message ----- From: photos@hpphoto.com To: pawpawtiger@mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Link to shark jaw pictures a surprise from Jeanette Jeanette has just invited you to see a photo album at hpphoto.com You can view the album at: http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=19039146 This service is 100% FREE :) Have a good day and have fun! If you are unable to see the album sent by clicking on the link above, then copy and paste the full URL below into your browser: http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=19039146 the free & easy way to share photos! Send FREE albums and cards to friends & family http://www.hpphoto.com ..................................................................................... HP respects your privacy. For more information regarding our policy and/or to update your contact permission, please visit http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/privacy.html or mail us at HP Privacy Mailbox, 20555 SH 249, MS 040307, Houston, TX 77070. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Wed Feb 9 19:57:39 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Wed Feb 9 19:57:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures References: <00ca01c50f22$91a2afb0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <000801c50f24$aa3d98d0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> If the first did not work, maybe this will...... Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures hpphoto.com: invitation from Jeanette. Below is a link to 2 pics we took of the shark jaws at the FMNH in Gainesville. 2 granddaughters, ages 7 & 12, give scale. BTW the floor in the jaw display is covered completely with BIG megalodon teeth! Glenn Wimpee You can view the album at: http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin? username=geenet2 & password=19039146 This service is 100% FREE :) Have a good day and have fun! From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Feb 9 20:09:17 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Feb 9 20:10:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures References: <00ca01c50f22$91a2afb0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <000501c50f26$4ac18ea0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> For a better view, click on the "full screen" link at the bottom right corner of the picture. On a recent field trip to Sharktooth Creek here in Alabama, we learned that a shark sheds about 10,000 teeth in it's lifetime. And the floor in the shark tooth display in several inches DEEP in shark teeth with all sizes amongst the big megalodon teeth. It's awesome to contemplate... Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn's Mail" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures hpphoto.com: invitation from Jeanette Below is a link to 2 pics we took of the shark jaws at the FMNH in Gainesville. 2 granddaughters, ages 7 & 12, give scale. BTW the floor in the jaw display is covered completely with BIG megalodon teeth! Glenn Wimpee ----- Original Message ----- From: photos@hpphoto.com To: pawpawtiger@mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Link to shark jaw pictures a surprise from Jeanette Jeanette has just invited you to see a photo album at hpphoto.com You can view the album at: http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=19039146 This service is 100% FREE :) Have a good day and have fun! If you are unable to see the album sent by clicking on the link above, then copy and paste the full URL below into your browser: http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=19039146 the free & easy way to share photos! Send FREE albums and cards to friends & family http://www.hpphoto.com ............................................................................ ......... HP respects your privacy. For more information regarding our policy and/or to update your contact permission, please visit http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/privacy.html or mail us at HP Privacy Mailbox, 20555 SH 249, MS 040307, Houston, TX 77070. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tkrassmann at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:20:00 2005 From: tkrassmann at hotmail.com (Thomas Krassmann) Date: Thu Feb 10 08:21:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site In-Reply-To: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Hello from Germany My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may know me from past tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your contribution to this project. Thank you and Gl?ck Auf Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Die rote Karte f?r l?stige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos anmelden! From jaszczak at mtu.edu Thu Feb 10 08:51:43 2005 From: jaszczak at mtu.edu (John Jaszczak) Date: Thu Feb 10 08:51:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site In-Reply-To: References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu> Thomas, Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the link? John At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hello from Germany > >My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may >know me from past >tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at > >http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > > >Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral >collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa >and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria > >I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and >exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at > >http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > >Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal >localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your >contribution to this project. > >Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > >Thomas > >_________________________________________________________________ >Die rote Karte f?r l?stige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. >http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos anmelden! > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From diederik.visser at dvminerals.com Thu Feb 10 09:15:02 2005 From: diederik.visser at dvminerals.com (Diederik Visser Minerals) Date: Thu Feb 10 09:15:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> Dear John, I located the correct url as: http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm cheers, diederik visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jaszczak" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > Thomas, > Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the link? > John > > At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>Hello from Germany >> >>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may >>know me from past >>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at >> >>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm >> >> >>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral >>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa >>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria >> >>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and >>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at >> >>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org >> >>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal >>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your >>contribution to this project. >> >>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf >> >>Thomas >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Die rote Karte f?r l?stige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. >>http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos >>anmelden! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 From Lapadary at aol.com Thu Feb 10 12:48:13 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 10 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures Message-ID: <149.3edc3f11.2f3d228d@aol.com> In a message dated 2/9/2005 8:10:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, geenet2@mchsi.com writes: On a recent field trip to Sharktooth Creek here in Alabama, we learned that a shark sheds about 10,000 teeth in it's lifetime. And the floor in the shark tooth display in several inches DEEP in shark teeth with all sizes amongst the big megalodon teeth. It's awesome to contemplate... Jeanette, Where in Alabama is Shark Tooth Creek? I visited AL back in October, 1999 and was really impressed by the tree covered rolling hills and quaint little towns like Pine Apple and Burnt Corn. I didn't have time to hunt rocks but I would like to know where the creek is, just in case I ever get there again. Grant Johnston --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Thu Feb 10 13:24:17 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Feb 10 13:21:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] any way to clean up eBay??? In-Reply-To: <001501c50ee6$732579f0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <000601c50e00$bcf52b20$0200000a@alltel.net> <001501c50ee6$732579f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <1EAB9E08-7BAA-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Tim, Good luck! There isn't much of a chance to clean up eBay. What makes eBay the household word that it is is the fact that anyone can sell anything on it and anyone can buy anything on it. If eBay truly wanted to be cleaned up they would have to make an effort to document sellers and that would probably eliminate a large percentage of sellers, and thus a large percentage of eBay's income and eBay would no longer exist as it does. That isn't likely to happen. Your concern about the sleazy side having an effect on beginning mineral buyers is justified, but that same problem has always existed in mineral and gem collecting. The same problems exists with some shops or dealers at shows, or dealers in any business. It is probably worse for anything that is purchased as a collectible, because it is more difficult to put a "real" value on that kind of an item than on a hammer, chair or front door. I'm not sure the problem exists only with some sleazy buyers. My dealings with Larry Conklin have been positive, and he has earned respect in the mineral community, and will stand behind any sale he makes. Yet I could write a story involving a purchase from him that would read exactly the same as the problem you express about eBay. To make it short though, and not try to make it read that way -- 30-32 years ago, I bought a large analcime (from Mont St. Hilaire) from him for $40. It was a single crystal, white, nearly 1 1/2 inches across and had a minor amount of broken serandite attached. I bought it only because I was intrigued by its size. I hadn't seen, or really even heard of anything that large from the Northwest. I just had to have it. I bought it mailorder and when I got it in my hot little hands I was instantly thrilled about its size and underwhelmed by it as a whole. I couldn't believe I paid $40 for a plain, single crystal that mimicked a gold ball and had very little else going for it. Yet, it was a big crystal, bigger than any I've ever held in my and, until Kings Valley, Oregon came along. Finally, a few years ago I decided to get rid of it, my collection was going in a different direction than just having minerals. It took a while, I finally it sold for $12 at one of the FM meetings. I'm not going to write anything saying I was taken advantage of, blah, blah, blah. He offered it, I bought it, he has high price, I paid it. That's the way it is. Yet this story has all the facts and features of what most people would complain about the beginner being taken advantage of. I wasn't a beginner collector then, but was more or less a beginner as to buying specimens or knowing their value. Here we are 30 years later and I still can't sell a single large analcime for $40, yet Larry did it way back then. Was he wrong to do so? No. Was I wrong to buy it? Yes. My fault, not his. Right now you could be at Tucson, at Tucson you see all the possibilities in the world for the beginner to be taken advantage of. You can go to a hundred dealers there and see a few things you like. For some reason decide you just have to have an amethyst scepter from Bat's Breath, Montana, pay a reputable dealer $75 for it, and be happy. Yet if you truly wanted to know the truth, I could probably take you to the next motel, show you a flat of specimens from the same recent find, point out a specimen that looks almost like a clone to the one you just bought, but this one is only marked $40. That's the way it is. Should the original dealer by kicked out of Tucson because he charges more? He may even say he "got the best flats from the find" or has looked at all the other dealers and none have any nearly as good as his. Is he going to be thrown out for hyping his merchandise? Is that lying and being sleazy? Common stuff at Tucson, but is anyone seriously trying to throw that first dealer out? It's everywhere, it's in life. eBay may have a sleazy side, but it's still up to the buyer to learn the hobby first. We need to continue to reach the beginner and help educate them and get after the truly devious and dishonest dealer, be they on eBay or at Tucson or at their shop on Route 66. On the other hand, every time I look at eBay to see it there is anything of interest from Northwest states, I want to strangle all those selling "Huge" 6 inch smoky quartz crystals, "rare" jarosite, "Museum Quality" 12 inch plates of 1/2 inch quartz crystals.... Regards, Lanny On Feb 9, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > I find eBay's mineral section quite disgusting, with a lot of hype and > outright lying and fakery going on. > > Eg. dyed saffron-yellow okenite, blue apatite being sold as > cordierite, diamond ore, every single specimen being described as > extremely rare, unique, AAAAAA museum piece, that sort of thing. > > I worry that beginning mineral collectors are perhaps building their > collections via eBay, with no idea that they're being sold fakes and > overpriced garbage. eBay is a blight on the hobby, some starting > collectors are going to get a big surprise when they realize what > they've bought. A horrible introduction to a wonderful hobby. > > Does anybody familiar with the inner workings of eBay have any > suggestions on how eBay can be cleaned up? > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Thu Feb 10 15:03:21 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Thu Feb 10 15:03:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures References: <149.3edc3f11.2f3d228d@aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c50fc4$b7eb6070$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> It is on private land, but is accessible with guided trips by members of the Alabama Natural History Museum. We went with the Mobile Rock and Gem Society. The site is west of Tuscaloosa near Mississippi. We were allowed to keep all we found, and the water is shallow, less than knee deep in many places. And not freezing cold in summer, just beware of cottonmouths.... Glenn > geenet2@mchsi.com wrote: > > On a recent field trip to Sharktooth Creek here in Alabama, we learned > that > a shark sheds about 10,000 teeth in it's lifetime. And the floor in the > shark tooth display in several inches DEEP in shark teeth with all sizes > amongst the big megalodon teeth. It's awesome to contemplate... > > Jeanette, > Grant wrote: > Where in Alabama is Shark Tooth Creek? I visited AL back in October, 1999 > and was really impressed by the tree covered rolling hills and quaint > little > towns like Pine Apple and Burnt Corn. > > I didn't have time to hunt rocks but I would like to know where the creek > is, just in case I ever get there again. > > Grant Johnston > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Feb 10 16:49:34 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Feb 10 16:49:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu> <003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> Message-ID: <005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals up to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > Dear John, > > I located the correct url as: > > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm > > cheers, > > diederik visser > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Jaszczak" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > >> Thomas, >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the link? >> John >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>>Hello from Germany >>> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may >>>know me from past >>>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at >>> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm >>> >>> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral >>>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa >>>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria >>> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and >>>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at >>> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org >>> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal >>>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your >>>contribution to this project. >>> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf >>> >>>Thomas >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Die rote Karte f?r l?stige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. >>>http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos >>>anmelden! >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Feb 10 17:29:29 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Feb 10 17:30:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures References: <149.3edc3f11.2f3d228d@aol.com> Message-ID: <004301c50fd9$22344d20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Sharktooth Creek is owned by the University of Alabama. It's on Bear Bryant's hunting lodge property which was given or sold to the university by his son. The only way anyone can get to the creek is special permission or on one of the geology field trips they have. We went on the weekend field trip which included seining in two creeks, a great lecture on the geology of Alabama and a pancake breakfast. We intend to take our grandkids on one this summer. It was great fun in the sharktooth creek, every scoop of gravel yielded teeth. One guy counted over 500 teeth in his bag. The teeth are falling out of the bank in a certain strata where the creek cuts thru it along Alabama's "fall line". They are generally in pristine condition, unbroken. Two hundred feet down the creek, no teeth.... There is also a creek in Andalusia where you can find shark teeth. It's not closed to the public, but is off the beaten track. One of the guys in the club supposedly knows how to get there and we may take a trip when the weather warms up a bit. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fw: Link to shark jaw pictures > In a message dated 2/9/2005 8:10:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > geenet2@mchsi.com writes: > > On a recent field trip to Sharktooth Creek here in Alabama, we learned that > a shark sheds about 10,000 teeth in it's lifetime. And the floor in the > shark tooth display in several inches DEEP in shark teeth with all sizes > amongst the big megalodon teeth. It's awesome to contemplate... > > Jeanette, > > Where in Alabama is Shark Tooth Creek? I visited AL back in October, 1999 > and was really impressed by the tree covered rolling hills and quaint little > towns like Pine Apple and Burnt Corn. > > I didn't have time to hunt rocks but I would like to know where the creek > is, just in case I ever get there again. > > Grant Johnston > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From xossfs at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 20:16:49 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Thu Feb 10 20:16:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050211041649.28467.qmail@web20024.mail.yahoo.com> Ther are iron garnet cystals out of Georgia USA that are the size of Cannoballs. You can find them on the georgai mineal society website. Look under trips or photos's I forget which ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 10 21:00:01 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 10 20:59:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu> <003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> <005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing out of one face. The dealer claimed Cave In Rock as the location. I have reason to trust the dealer when a location was claimed, but '(very!) close to' was not uncommon when claimed locations were analyized/researched. I can post a picture if you are interested Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals up > to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof > (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > > Dear John, > > > > I located the correct url as: > > > > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm > > > > cheers, > > > > diederik visser > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Jaszczak" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > > > > >> Thomas, > >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the link? > >> John > >> > >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >>>Hello from Germany > >>> > >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may > >>>know me from past > >>>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at > >>> > >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > >>> > >>> > >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral > >>>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa > >>>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria > >>> > >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and > >>>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at > >>> > >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > >>> > >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal > >>>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your > >>>contribution to this project. > >>> > >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > >>> > >>>Thomas From kahako at verizon.net Thu Feb 10 21:03:25 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 10 21:03:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <004801c50ff7$06bc0010$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Yes, please post! Aloha, Kitty >I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing out of one > face. > > I can post a picture if you are interested > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals >> up >> to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof >> (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >> >> > Dear John, >> > >> > I located the correct url as: >> > >> > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm >> > >> > cheers, >> > >> > diederik visser >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "John Jaszczak" >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> > collectors" >> > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >> > >> > >> >> Thomas, >> >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the >> >> link? >> >> John >> >> >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>Hello from Germany >> >>> >> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some >> >>>may >> >>>know me from past >> >>>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at >> >>> >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of >> >>>mineral >> >>>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern >> >>>Africa >> >>>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria >> >>> >> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals >> >>>and >> >>>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at >> >>> >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org >> >>> >> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal >> >>>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate >> >>>your >> >>>contribution to this project. >> >>> >> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf >> >>> >> >>>Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Bozo5 at aol.com Fri Feb 11 01:33:10 2005 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 11 01:34:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site Message-ID: In a message dated 2/10/2005 8:23:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, tkrassmann@hotmail.com writes: If you know of any other "giant crystal localities" Don't forget the 100 m amazonite crystal we heard about a couple months ago. _http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds/2004-November/009111.html_ (http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds/2004-November/009111.html) And I heard somewhere that the Charoite deposit is even larger, though I don't know if it fits your criteria. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From diederik.visser at dvminerals.com Fri Feb 11 02:10:01 2005 From: diederik.visser at dvminerals.com (Diederik Visser Minerals) Date: Fri Feb 11 02:10:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: Message-ID: <001901c51021$d929af00$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> Dear Thomas, There was a very nice and comprehensive article in the American Mineralogist Volume 66, pages 885-908, 1981 by Peter Rickwood about the largest crystals. There is an online version of the article which can be viewed at: http://www.minsocam.org/MSA/collectors_corner/arc/large_crystals.htm cheers, Diederik Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Krassmann" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > Hello from Germany > > My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may know > me from past > tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at > > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > > > Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral > collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa and > Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria > > I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and > exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at > > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > > Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal > localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your > contribution to this project. > > Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > > Thomas > > _________________________________________________________________ > Die rote Karte f?r l?stige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. > http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos > anmelden! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From diederik.visser at dvminerals.com Fri Feb 11 02:13:41 2005 From: diederik.visser at dvminerals.com (Diederik Visser Minerals) Date: Fri Feb 11 02:13:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: Message-ID: <001c01c51022$5c7f5b70$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> Dear Thomas, I forgot to mention that at end of the article by Rickwood there is an update made in 2001. cheers, Diederik Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Krassmann" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > Hello from Germany > > My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some may > know me from past > tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at > > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > > > Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of mineral > collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern Africa > and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria > > I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals and > exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at > > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > > Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal > localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate your > contribution to this project. > > Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > > Thomas > > _________________________________________________________________ > Die rote Karte f?r l?stige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. > http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos > anmelden! > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 7-2-2005 From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Fri Feb 11 06:42:32 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Feb 11 06:42:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <001c01c51022$5c7f5b70$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> Message-ID: <0ca101c51047$eb3fb330$6402a8c0@remains> I was told in Tucson last week that there has apparntly been another cave found in the area of Naica, Mexico, with the same selenite formations as the Cave of the Swords. A friend of a friend who was allowed in there said there were single selenite xls 100 feet long. yikes! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > Dear Thomas, > > I forgot to mention that at end of the article by Rickwood there is an > update made in 2001. > > cheers, > > Diederik Visser From lehkerd at gvsu.edu Fri Feb 11 09:52:37 2005 From: lehkerd at gvsu.edu (David Lehker) Date: Fri Feb 11 09:53:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area Message-ID: My wife and I are heading to the Hot Springs area in early March and are intent on doing some collecting. We have not been to the area before and would appreciate any suggestions. We would like to collect at a quartz site (!), and would appreciate any suggestions as to which of the commercial sites to use. Are they all about the same? Any preference of the Mt. Ida area or the Jessieville area? We would also like to collect outside the pay areas for other minerals. We're not real choosie, but I understand pyrite, magnetite crystals, wavellite and others are possible to find. Any suggested sites or areas, riverbeds or hikes? Any ideas or experiences welcomed and much appreciated. Dave David Lehker, MSW, CSW Grand Valley State University School of Social Work DeVos Center, 401 W Fulton Grand Rapids Michigan 49504 616-331-6597 Fax - 616-331-6570 lehkerd@gvsu.edu From albalmer at att.net Fri Feb 11 12:52:41 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Feb 11 12:52:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420D1B19.3030202@att.net> David Lehker wrote: > My wife and I are heading to the Hot Springs area in early March and are > intent on doing some collecting. We have not been to the area before > and would appreciate any suggestions. > We would like to collect at a quartz site (!), and would appreciate any > suggestions as to which of the commercial sites to use. Are they all > about the same? Any preference of the Mt. Ida area or the Jessieville > area? Personally, I prefer the Mt. Ida area, though the Coleman mines (there are two rival Colemans) in Jessieville are well known, well advertised, and (the last I knew) productive. They just seem more touristy to me :-) It's been a couple of years, so I won't make recommendations for specific mines, except to say that you really should see the Ocus Stanley store and mine if it's still in business - he was one of the pioneers, and when we were buying crystal, they had some of the best prices, and a mine with no entrance fee. The exit fee was "whatever you think it's worth." Be sure and check out the Mt Ida chamber's web site: http://www.mtidachamber.com/ > > We would also like to collect outside the pay areas for other minerals. > We're not real choosie, but I understand pyrite, magnetite crystals, > wavellite and others are possible to find. Any suggested sites or > areas, riverbeds or hikes? You'll probably want to stop at Wright's rock shop in Hot Springs. They can probably give you some pointers, and can certainly sell you an Arkansas rockhounding book or two. > Any ideas or experiences welcomed and much appreciated. > Dave > From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Feb 11 13:02:41 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Fri Feb 11 13:00:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1108155761.3446.18.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 12:52 -0500, David Lehker wrote: > My wife and I are heading to the Hot Springs area in early March and are > intent on doing some collecting. We have not been to the area before > and would appreciate any suggestions. > We would like to collect at a quartz site (!), and would appreciate any > suggestions as to which of the commercial sites to use. Are they all > about the same? Any preference of the Mt. Ida area or the Jessieville > area? > > We would also like to collect outside the pay areas for other minerals. > We're not real choosie, but I understand pyrite, magnetite crystals, > wavellite and others are possible to find. Any suggested sites or > areas, riverbeds or hikes? > Any ideas or experiences welcomed and much appreciated. > Dave > > > > David Lehker, MSW, CSW > Grand Valley State University > School of Social Work > DeVos Center, 401 W Fulton > Grand Rapids Michigan 49504 > 616-331-6597 > Fax - 616-331-6570 > lehkerd@gvsu.edu > I was there last Labor Day and for the Championship Dig in October. It is a fun area to find and talk minerals and crystals. Probably the best beginners' places are Jim Coleman's, Miller Mountain, and Fiddler's Ridge. They are all easily accessible by automobile, though Miller Mtn. is a bit of a challenge in wet weather. They are all reasonable in fees and you can keep what you find. Coleman's and Fiddler's Ridge have good rock shops as well. What you find depends a great deal on what the miners have found lately. You will be digging in the 'dumps" from their activity. It is possible in some places to dig around the wall rock for pockets, but it is d--d hard work. Most of the dig areas are around the perimeter of Lake Ouchita and the "center of activity" is Mt. Ida. Most are an easy 1-2 hr. drive from Hot Springs. For other minerals the best and in most cases the only way to make any finds is through a local contact; most of the classic localities are shut down. See www.rockhoundingar.com for all the information you will need. This is a great site for anyone interested in Arkansas quartz. john From Paintricks at aol.com Fri Feb 11 16:04:57 2005 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:05:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area Message-ID: <15c.49fa2b92.2f3ea229@aol.com> Hi, I love this place. My wife and I go on occasion. We like Stanley mine the best. I've found my best points there and it is a mine you can move just about anywhere in. Mr stanley is usually outside in the yard with his collections. I would be too. Nice collection. He quite friendly and very generous with his mine. You have to get the key to the gate from him and lock when you are finished. Look for a guy named Dave Rain. He was ther last year and was loking over the mine and had great tips and pointers. Not to mention the points in the back of his truck."Biggins". Another place I like to go is Denby Point at the lake down the road from Mt Ida. What I like is that you can camp and dig crystals. The crystals there are not usually the clear. These are clusters that are milky white to dark grey. They grow more erattic that I have found anywhere else. They don't look like much until you get the cleaned up. They are some of my favorite finds. They're just different. What you do is go to the Denby Point "Point" Southeast side of the lake,..far right side of the penensula If I remember. To the end most part. Where the waterline meets the treeline....look around the roots and boulders that have fallen away from the bank shelf. Sometimes you can lay on your back and dig them out. It's safe, nothing to really fall on you. I like going at night with my lantern and work as late as I want. It's quiet and nobody bothers you. Usually you just scratch around the surface. I try not to dig holes that make erosion worse. The ground seems to work itself loose more and more each your I go there. The ground overhangs where the water has washed out under the bank line. Sometimes when I am at this spot it's so quiet and your into diggingyour mind plays tricks on you and you start to"hear things" but don't worry, it's just the birds out on the lake. This is a great place to take your kids. My daughter and I spent hours out there diggin' the bank. Plus you can set your campsite right up the hill from where you want to dig. Cheap too. Enjoy, Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Feb 11 16:25:04 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:25:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I have a couple of 5.5 - 6" cubes from the Annabel Lee & Denton I got shortly after the mines closed. I could afford them because they are dark purple crystals. The biggest crystals I have personally seen were in the property manager's house at Cave in Rock State Park. They were a couple of intergrown blue cubes 9" on an edge! Wow! I did collect a 6" zoned cube at Conn's mine - dug it out of the mud. It is etched pretty severely, but slabbed into wafers, the blue, white and purple banding would be incredible! The difficulty with the big crystals from the fluorspar district is that the perfect cleavage makes the biggest crystals hard to remove intact in one piece after the ore was blasted. They occur in the highest-grade fluorspar deposits. Something that would also be an interesting addition to the Giant Crystal Project Site would be mineralized pockets. The crystals don't have to be big, but the pockets have to be big and crystal-lined! I've seen pictures of a pocket in the Annabel Lee mine that was covered with 4 - 6-inch cubes - all over the place! I've read about pyrite pockets (early 20th century) in the Rosiclare vein that were supposed to be incredible! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing out of one > face. > > The dealer claimed Cave In Rock as the location. I have reason to trust > the dealer when a location was claimed, but '(very!) close to' was not > uncommon when claimed locations were analyized/researched. > > I can post a picture if you are interested > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals >> up >> to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof >> (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >> >> > Dear John, >> > >> > I located the correct url as: >> > >> > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm >> > >> > cheers, >> > >> > diederik visser >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "John Jaszczak" >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> > collectors" >> > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >> > >> > >> >> Thomas, >> >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the >> >> link? >> >> John >> >> >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>Hello from Germany >> >>> >> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some >> >>>may >> >>>know me from past >> >>>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at >> >>> >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of >> >>>mineral >> >>>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern >> >>>Africa >> >>>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria >> >>> >> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals >> >>>and >> >>>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at >> >>> >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org >> >>> >> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal >> >>>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate >> >>>your >> >>>contribution to this project. >> >>> >> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf >> >>> >> >>>Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Feb 11 16:28:25 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:29:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> How small do the crystals covering a surface have to be before it's called "druzy" I've seen crystal covered surfaces that aren't typically called "druzy" but to me the only difference is the size of the crystals. Jeanette From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Feb 11 16:30:15 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:30:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000301c5109a$05abf290$6400a8c0@Junior> The photo of reknowned local (Tri-State) dealer Boodle Lane standing in a calcite vug, with calcite dogsteeth sticking out of the floor and ceiling, probably 1/2 or 2/3 of a meter or so long, is impressive. Reproduced somewhere in Min Rec. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site I have a couple of 5.5 - 6" cubes from the Annabel Lee & Denton I got shortly after the mines closed. I could afford them because they are dark purple crystals. The biggest crystals I have personally seen were in the property manager's house at Cave in Rock State Park. They were a couple of intergrown blue cubes 9" on an edge! Wow! I did collect a 6" zoned cube at Conn's mine - dug it out of the mud. It is etched pretty severely, but slabbed into wafers, the blue, white and purple banding would be incredible! The difficulty with the big crystals from the fluorspar district is that the perfect cleavage makes the biggest crystals hard to remove intact in one piece after the ore was blasted. They occur in the highest-grade fluorspar deposits. Something that would also be an interesting addition to the Giant Crystal Project Site would be mineralized pockets. The crystals don't have to be big, but the pockets have to be big and crystal-lined! I've seen pictures of a pocket in the Annabel Lee mine that was covered with 4 - 6-inch cubes - all over the place! I've read about pyrite pockets (early 20th century) in the Rosiclare vein that were supposed to be incredible! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing out of one > face. > > The dealer claimed Cave In Rock as the location. I have reason to trust > the dealer when a location was claimed, but '(very!) close to' was not > uncommon when claimed locations were analyized/researched. > > I can post a picture if you are interested > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals >> up >> to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof >> (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >> >> > Dear John, >> > >> > I located the correct url as: >> > >> > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm >> > >> > cheers, >> > >> > diederik visser >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "John Jaszczak" >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> > collectors" >> > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site >> > >> > >> >> Thomas, >> >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the >> >> link? >> >> John >> >> >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>Hello from Germany >> >>> >> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some >> >>>may >> >>>know me from past >> >>>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at >> >>> >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of >> >>>mineral >> >>>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern >> >>>Africa >> >>>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria >> >>> >> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals >> >>>and >> >>>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at >> >>> >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org >> >>> >> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal >> >>>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate >> >>>your >> >>>contribution to this project. >> >>> >> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf >> >>> >> >>>Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From stu at arcrystalmine.com Fri Feb 11 16:38:35 2005 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (stu@arcrystalmine.com) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:39:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area References: <15c.49fa2b92.2f3ea229@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a401c5109b$43684790$6400a8c0@STUART> The Stanley has been reclaimed and hasn't been actively worked for a couple years. The mine area is still open to tourists but I have heard the pickings are slim. Sonny's rock shop and the Stanley museum has been sold along with the property. Sonny moved the store to down town Mount Ida next to the Chamber office. I heard from Bobby Fecho that his dad, Jim, was selling Fiddler's Ridge but don't know if the deal went through. You can check the Chamber web site for more information on the local mines that offer fee digs. http://www.mtidachamber.com/ With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Feb 11 16:42:29 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:42:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] diamonds in the IL-KY fluorspar district? Message-ID: <00d001c5109b$bba2a160$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Just when you think you know a lot about a mineral district, you learn something that is like a "bombshell!" A company has been looking for diamonds in the fluorspar district. They encountered a heretofore undiscovered "kimberlite" (the Lollypop kimberlite) that covers more than one square mile in Crittenden Co., KY! Initial tests (2 cores) have revealed no diamonds, not even micros. On the other hand there should be a source for the numerous alnoite (mica peridotite) dikes that swarm through the district. Even well-studied geological areas can surprise you! Check out these web sites to learn more: http://thediamondhunter.com/front/companies/show?sym=MMU.V http://www.resource-finance.com/s/Shawnee.asp http://www.marumresources.com/id42.htm Pretty interesting!!! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Fri Feb 11 18:18:52 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Fri Feb 11 18:15:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <420D678C.30808@att.net> Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > How small do the crystals covering a surface have to be before it's called > "druzy" I've seen crystal covered surfaces that aren't typically called > "druzy" but to me the only difference is the size of the crystals. > Jeanette I don't think there is a specific size indicated, but "druzy" is an adjective describing a coating of microcrystals with a "sugary" look. I can't remember if it's properly spelled "druzy" or "drusy"--there was an article in one of the major magazines a few years ago, possibly Lapidary Journal before it became LapBeadAry Journal, describing the proper use of the term. If I remember correctly, one says "druzy quartz" or "druzy amethyst," but not, "that's a nice specimen of druzy there." It's one of those colloquial terms that seems to be often misused. Is this ringing any bells with anyone? Don From kahako at verizon.net Fri Feb 11 18:40:37 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Feb 11 18:40:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net> Message-ID: <002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. Drusy (with an "s") is an adjective, describing a coating or lining of small crystals. I think "sugary" is a good description, but I don't know of any exact measurement of the size of the individual crystals. Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >> How small do the crystals covering a surface have to be before it's >> called >> "druzy" I've seen crystal covered surfaces that aren't typically called >> "druzy" but to me the only difference is the size of the crystals. >> Jeanette > > > I don't think there is a specific size indicated, but "druzy" is an > adjective describing a coating of microcrystals with a "sugary" look. I > can't remember if it's properly spelled "druzy" or "drusy"--there was an > article in one of the major magazines a few years ago, possibly Lapidary > Journal before it became LapBeadAry Journal, describing the proper use of > the term. If I remember correctly, one says "druzy quartz" or "druzy > amethyst," but not, "that's a nice specimen of druzy there." It's one of > those colloquial terms that seems to be often misused. > > Is this ringing any bells with anyone? > > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Fri Feb 11 19:17:29 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Fri Feb 11 19:13:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net> <002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <420D7549.7060701@att.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, ..." That still begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be wrong? Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. Drusy Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 11 20:12:30 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 11 20:09:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net> <002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> <420D7549.7060701@att.net> Message-ID: <420D815C.2396@Tomaszewski.net> Don H wrote: > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, ..." > That still begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be wrong? > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column in > Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > Drusy Don > Drusy is an adjective defined as covered with a large number of minute crystals. Druse is a noun defined as a crust of tiny crystals. Nice to see the big dictionary agrees on the size of the crystals. The matrix was covered with a druse. What kind of druse? It was drusy quartz. From kahako at verizon.net Fri Feb 11 20:50:12 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Feb 11 20:50:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net><002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> <420D7549.7060701@att.net> Message-ID: <005801c510be$57584340$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> I absolutely agree. It should be a druse of something, or drusy something. Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a druse > of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, you'll see > ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, ..." That still > begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be wrong? > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column in > Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > Drusy Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Feb 12 07:16:06 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 12 07:16:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] micromounting/gemology equipment available in Spokane References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net><002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant><420D7549.7060701@att.net> <420D815C.2396@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002401c51115$c63f74c0$6400a8c0@Junior> If there's anybody in or around Spokane, Washington that's looking for a scope, camera, gemology gear, etc.; drop this lady an email. ------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Verhaeghe To: tjokela@execulink.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: micromount equipment I am looking for information. My grandmother just passed away and was a gemologist specializing in micromounts. I believe, but am not certain, that most of the specimens were donated to a local collage, however, she had quite a bit of equipment - microscopes with cameras, specific gravity testing kits, gem kits, lights, mounting material, etc. I realize these could be valuable to someone interested in this field but no one in the family is interested. Wondering if you have any suggestions as to who to contact and how to figure out what we have. Do you know anyone in the Spokane, Washington area that may be interested? Thanks for your time, Amy email - hoogen@adelphia.net From rower at start.no Sat Feb 12 08:06:19 2005 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Sat Feb 12 08:08:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: new website for systematic minerals / Albert & Marianne Schrander-Hettinga Message-ID: <1108224379.420e297b3e73e@epost.start.no> Hello, I would like to introduce the new website for Albert & Marianne Schrander- Hettinga, long-time dealers in systematic minerals from MM up to small cabinets. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rare.microminerals/ You can download their most recent lists from their website, where you will also find all the necessary information for contacting them and further details. Their specialities are platinoids, phosphate- and beryllium-minerals. Nice prices and satisfaction guaranteed. Trade-offers are welcome. They hope to be hearing from you! On behalf of Albert & Marianne, Ronald Werner Evje Norway ------------------------------------------------------------ F? din egen @start.no-adresse gratis p? http://www.start.no/ From rower at start.no Sat Feb 12 08:15:57 2005 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Sat Feb 12 08:16:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: new website for systematic minerals / Albert & Marianne Schrander-Hettinga Message-ID: <1108224957.420e2bbd920e4@epost.start.no> Hello, I would like to introduce the new website for Albert & Marianne Schrander- Hettinga, long-time dealers in systematic minerals from MM up to small cabinets. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rare.microminerals/ You can download their most recent lists from their website, where you will also find all the necessary information for contacting them and further details. Their specialities are platinoids, phosphate- and beryllium-minerals. Nice prices and satisfaction guaranteed. Trade-offers are welcome. They hope to be hearing from you! On behalf of Albert & Marianne, Ronald Werner Evje Norway ------------------------------------------------------------ F? din egen @start.no-adresse gratis p? http://www.start.no/ From silverado at frontiernet.net Sat Feb 12 07:16:06 2005 From: silverado at frontiernet.net (Gail) Date: Sat Feb 12 08:16:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area References: <15c.49fa2b92.2f3ea229@aol.com> <00a401c5109b$43684790$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: <000401c51115$c89d13d0$23fa8b43@gail7diqufk9xy> Hi Stu, Its us from WIsconsin. Clete is considering putting some of his collection up for sale, got any ideas? I think he wants to begin on Ebay, to get a web site up is very costly at this point. It took awhile for him to decide to get rid of some stuff, it becomes family, but he needs to spend the money it could possibly generate, he will keep some of the stuff but we have WAY TO MUCH! We got on this mailing list just to see whats out there and here you are! I think of you often and wish we could make a trip to Mt.Ida just to visit and scratch around. We have a dog now and Clete has a new friend who is well mannered and kind. I am going to email a picture of some book ends we have, thought I would use this picture as a teaser? We are going to see almost 40 today, the sun is out, makes my eyes water! Love It. Hello to Sandy and hope ;you are both well. Gail. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area > The Stanley has been reclaimed and hasn't been actively worked for a > couple years. The mine area is still open to tourists but I have heard > the pickings are slim. Sonny's rock shop and the Stanley museum has been > sold along with the property. Sonny moved the store to down town Mount > Ida next to the Chamber office. > > I heard from Bobby Fecho that his dad, Jim, was selling Fiddler's Ridge > but don't know if the deal went through. You can check the Chamber web > site for more information on the local mines that offer fee digs. > http://www.mtidachamber.com/ > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From totis at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 08:20:59 2005 From: totis at earthlink.net (teresa) Date: Sat Feb 12 08:21:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in Hot Springs Arkansas area Message-ID: <564564.1108225259723.JavaMail.root@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> March is usually a pretty good time to hunt minerals in Arkansas. There is some chance of snow and always a chance of rain, but you won't have the humidity and heat of later in the year. Go see Jay and his wife Lisa at Jay's Bonanza ...... a rock shop on the eastern edge of Mt. Ida. He's spent most of his life in the area and could have some good pointers. Also, if I remember right, the last time we were there in 2001, we went to a county quarry that has wavelite located on the west side of Mt. Ida. Teresa Otis From lanny at lrream.com Sat Feb 12 09:41:47 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Feb 12 09:39:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <420D7549.7060701@att.net> References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net> <002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> <420D7549.7060701@att.net> Message-ID: <5E1436D0-7D1D-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi Drusy Don, Good point! As the other posts pointed out, druse and drusy refer to size and texture, a "coating or lining of small crystals." I think the use of drusy indicating a coating of quartz on chalcedony or especially over chrysocolla is related to all those who jumped into the mineral trade to rip off the metaphysical group. It goes hand in hand with their use of "crystal" when they mean quartz. Similarly, using the word "sugary" to describe druse or drusy is also wrong. That implies a texture "sugar-grain size and appearance," such as in a coating of tiny quartz crystals about 1/2 - 1 mm across. Considering that druse and drusy are not limited to size (except for "small") and aren't limited to quartz or a similar appearing mineral, then sugary is quite misleading too. Regards, Lanny On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Don H wrote: > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, > ..." That still begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be > wrong? > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column > in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > Drusy Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Feb 12 10:41:09 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Feb 12 10:41:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorspar district symposium guidebook Message-ID: <000e01c51132$6b4bbd90$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I have been reprinting the 2004 IL-KY Fluorspar District Symposium Guidebook on a limited basis. It is $15 for the version with 5 pages of color photos (27 p.) or $13 for the original version with 3 pages of color. The color pix are of rare minerals from the district. I can provide a table of contents list the articles upon request. If you would like a copy, contact me OFF-LIST. Alan Goldstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Feb 12 10:49:13 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Feb 12 10:49:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] familiar with Mn oxide minerals? Message-ID: <001501c51133$8be4d040$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I rediscovered a specimen in my collection from the Pigmy mine in the western KY part of the IL-KY Fluorspar District. I had catalogued it as goethite on calcite back after I collected it in the mid 1980's. Looking at in the scope, it is curly velvety masses of short, tiny acicular black crystals. It is not post-mine origin because the mineral occurs inside the calcite as well as over it. I've taken some digital pix (up to 45x). If anyone is familiar with manganese oxide minerals, I'd be happy to send you images to examine. The only Mn-O mineral listed in the district is "wad" - and these are definitely crystalline! Alan P.S. Two other "rediscoveries" include hemimorphite from the Minerva No. 1 mine dump which I had catalogued as gypsum crust and selenite from the Annabel Lee mine I had labelled as celestine. Look up those mines on mindat to see photos. The selenite is especially unusual. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Feb 12 11:42:22 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Feb 12 11:42:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <5E1436D0-7D1D-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, if I recall right, DD stands for Desert Don, not Drusy Don... (LOL) Hey Don, my friend, how's life? I just had a dry practice run for Valentine's day and I cooked my wife a dish of "eel a la Provencale". To take the edge of the "dry run" I sprinkled some Australian dry white wine on and about the dish... Just in case anyone wonders where my good mood came from ;-))) We Belgians have one thing in common with the French: we will eat weird animals! (snails, frogs... you name it, we'll cook it. Beware of my Cajun skunk with garlic sauce...) Now to get back on topic: this thread is just begging for a "definition". I found one at last and here it is! According to the Photo-Atlas of Minerals, Produced by "The Gem & Mineral Council of the L.A. County Museum of Natural History: Drusy: surface covered with a layer of intergrown crystals with terminal crystals. Also DRUSE: Intergrowth of small projecting crystals that line the walls of a cavity in rock. Usually, only the terminations of the crystals are visible. In fact, this supports the walk down sugary-alley, doesn't it? I hope this helps to clear things up... A fine example of drusy wulfenite crystals can be seen at: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/images/Wulfenietmetcoating1.JPG Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lanny Verzonden: zaterdag 12 februari 2005 18:42 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Hi Drusy Don, Good point! As the other posts pointed out, druse and drusy refer to size and texture, a "coating or lining of small crystals." I think the use of drusy indicating a coating of quartz on chalcedony or especially over chrysocolla is related to all those who jumped into the mineral trade to rip off the metaphysical group. It goes hand in hand with their use of "crystal" when they mean quartz. Similarly, using the word "sugary" to describe druse or drusy is also wrong. That implies a texture "sugar-grain size and appearance," such as in a coating of tiny quartz crystals about 1/2 - 1 mm across. Considering that druse and drusy are not limited to size (except for "small") and aren't limited to quartz or a similar appearing mineral, then sugary is quite misleading too. Regards, Lanny On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Don H wrote: > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, > ..." That still begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be > wrong? > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column > in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > Drusy Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rower at start.no Sat Feb 12 11:55:01 2005 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Sat Feb 12 11:56:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Ad: new website for systematic minerals / Albert &Marianne Schrander-Hettinga Message-ID: <1108238101.420e5f15b12ec@epost.start.no> Hi, I am sorry for problems with the email address of Schrander-Hettinga, but the problem should be solved by now. Ronald Werner ------------------------------------------------------------ F? din egen @start.no-adresse gratis p? http://www.start.no/ From hptdesigns at charter.net Sat Feb 12 12:59:06 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Feb 12 12:58:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3rr89p$n2mvei@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> I was at a continuing ed course for wastewater gurus yesterday and a salesman was demonstrating a new DO meter (Dissolved Oxygen). Now DO has always had a really difficult thing to measure continuously as it involves high maintenance--changing membranes, changing electrolytes, constantly calibrating. Real pain Well this new meter uses the property of Ruthenium --if it is irradiated by a wavelenghth of 475nm it fluoresces at 600nm. The other thing in the equation is that Dissolved Oxygen quenches that fluorescence in a direct relation to its concentration. So have water in contact with Ruthenium , irradiate with a 475nm diode, measure the resultant intensity of the 600nm fluorescent light, and voila--read the DO in the water. The beauty of the system is that since it is measuring quenching, the lower the DO concentration, the higher the signal strength. Can measure down to .03 parts per million. Almost impossible with the other technique. Very neat Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Axel Emmermann > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:42 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > Hmmm, if I recall right, DD stands for Desert Don, not Drusy > Don... (LOL) > > Hey Don, my friend, how's life? > > I just had a dry practice run for Valentine's day and I > cooked my wife a dish of "eel a la Provencale". To take the > edge of the "dry run" I sprinkled some Australian dry white > wine on and about the dish... Just in case anyone wonders > where my good mood came from ;-))) We Belgians have one thing > in common with the French: we will eat weird animals! > (snails, frogs... you name it, we'll cook it. Beware of my > Cajun skunk with garlic sauce...) > > Now to get back on topic: this thread is just begging for a > "definition". I found one at last and here it is! > According to the Photo-Atlas of Minerals, Produced by "The > Gem & Mineral Council of the L.A. County Museum of Natural History: > > Drusy: surface covered with a layer of intergrown crystals > with terminal crystals. > > Also DRUSE: Intergrowth of small projecting crystals that > line the walls of a cavity in rock. Usually, only the > terminations of the crystals are visible. > > In fact, this supports the walk down sugary-alley, doesn't it? > > I hope this helps to clear things up... > A fine example of drusy wulfenite crystals can be seen at: > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/images/Wulfenietmetcoating1.JPG > > > Cheers > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lanny > Verzonden: zaterdag 12 februari 2005 18:42 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > Hi Drusy Don, > > Good point! As the other posts pointed out, druse and drusy > refer to size and texture, a "coating or lining of small > crystals." I think the use of drusy indicating a coating of > quartz on chalcedony or especially over chrysocolla is > related to all those who jumped into the mineral trade to rip > off the metaphysical group. It goes hand in hand with their > use of "crystal" when they mean quartz. > > Similarly, using the word "sugary" to describe druse or drusy > is also wrong. That implies a texture "sugar-grain size and > appearance," such as in a coating of tiny quartz crystals > about 1/2 - 1 mm across. > Considering that druse and drusy are not limited to size (except for > "small") and aren't limited to quartz or a similar appearing > mineral, then sugary is quite misleading too. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Don H wrote: > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to > describe a > > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For > example, > > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, > > ..." That still begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might > I still be > > wrong? > > > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It > Right" column > > in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > > > > Drusy Don > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From edben at prodigy.net Sat Feb 12 14:07:51 2005 From: edben at prodigy.net (edben) Date: Sat Feb 12 14:07:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence References: <3rr89p$n2mvei@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <000a01c5114f$4d342a00$a5719f04@benjamin> Hi Tommy. -- It's been thirty years since I left the Laboratory Supply business (sales), and the world sure has changed! I was involved both in quotations and "On the Road" door-knocking. Wastewater plants were real good customers. Yes, I remember (more or less, just don't ask me any technical questions today -- Of course, I "knew the answers" then) when the Dissolved Oxygen Meter first came out. We sold one made by "Delta". Yes, I carried them into a lot of wastewater plants for demonstrations. They were real popular, too. I sometimes found it real tough to get out of the plant with my "demonstrator!" Once the operators saw it work, they wanted it Right Now! They "beat the pants off" anything that came before. This Fluorescence technique sure sounds a lot better. As I recall it, the sensor was the instrument's weak point and had to have quite a bit of careful service to keep it going. I'm afraid I wouldn't recognize the inside of one of today's laboratories. (I wonder if any of those two pan, wood case, analytical balances that new wastewater plants were still buying then (they were cheaper), are still being used? Our hobby sure makes a lot of interesting contacts for us! Thanks, Tommy, for "tickling" those old memories! Ed Benjamin, Editor, Arrowhead News, the bulletin of Indian Mounds Rock & Mineral Club (For over 21 years).. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence > I was at a continuing ed course for wastewater gurus yesterday and a > salesman was demonstrating a new DO meter (Dissolved Oxygen). Now DO has > always had a really difficult thing to measure continuously as it involves > high maintenance--changing membranes, changing electrolytes, constantly > calibrating. Real pain From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Feb 12 12:15:11 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Feb 12 14:17:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: Message-ID: <002501c5113f$c5e10f00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> So I'm slightly confused. I've been unpacking and labeling specimens for the past week. I have several boxes of goodies from Coffin Butte, Oregon. One nice one is calcite on small (2mm) stilbite blades. The stilbite is covered with a "milky dust" that, under the scope, reveals itself as tiny (0.1mm) quartz crystals. I know that the quartz is the druse, but do I have "stilbite with drusy quartz", or "drusy stilbite"? Thanks - John From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 12 14:41:54 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 12 14:41:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <002501c5113f$c5e10f00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <005a01c51154$0dd7d1e0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> IMHO, stilbite with drusy quartz. Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > So I'm slightly confused. I've been unpacking and labeling specimens for > the > past week. I have several boxes of goodies from Coffin Butte, Oregon. One > nice one is calcite on small (2mm) stilbite blades. The stilbite is > covered > with a "milky dust" that, under the scope, reveals itself as tiny (0.1mm) > quartz crystals. I know that the quartz is the druse, but do I have > "stilbite with drusy quartz", or "drusy stilbite"? > > Thanks - John > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From hptdesigns at charter.net Sat Feb 12 15:14:02 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Feb 12 15:13:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence In-Reply-To: <000a01c5114f$4d342a00$a5719f04@benjamin> Message-ID: <3rr9ri$n1cq38@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Yea--delta meters were the standard--this one still is not epa approved for compliance monitoring, but hopefully that will come soon. They still beat wet chemistry methods by a longshot. And yes a few have the old balances. Not many. But they sure are a lot prettier than the new led readout units. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of edben > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:08 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence > > Hi Tommy. -- It's been thirty years since I left the > Laboratory Supply business (sales), and the world sure has > changed! I was involved both in quotations and "On the Road" > door-knocking. Wastewater plants were real good customers. > > Yes, I remember (more or less, just don't ask me any > technical questions today -- Of course, I "knew the answers" > then) when the Dissolved Oxygen Meter first came out. We > sold one made by "Delta". Yes, I carried them into a lot of > wastewater plants for demonstrations. They were real > popular, too. I sometimes found it real tough to get out of > the plant with my "demonstrator!" Once the operators saw it > work, they wanted it Right Now! > They "beat the pants off" anything that came before. This > Fluorescence technique sure sounds a lot better. As I recall > it, the sensor was the instrument's weak point and had to > have quite a bit of careful service to keep it going. > > I'm afraid I wouldn't recognize the inside of one of today's > laboratories. > (I wonder if any of those two pan, wood case, analytical > balances that new wastewater plants were still buying then > (they were cheaper), are still being used? > > Our hobby sure makes a lot of interesting contacts for us! > > Thanks, Tommy, for "tickling" those old memories! > > Ed Benjamin, Editor, Arrowhead News, the bulletin of Indian > Mounds Rock & Mineral Club (For over 21 years).. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Armstrong" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors'" > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:59 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence > > > > I was at a continuing ed course for wastewater gurus yesterday and a > > salesman was demonstrating a new DO meter (Dissolved > Oxygen). Now DO has > > always had a really difficult thing to measure continuously > as it involves > > high maintenance--changing membranes, changing > electrolytes, constantly > > calibrating. Real pain > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Feb 12 14:50:22 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Feb 12 16:50:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <002501c5113f$c5e10f00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <005a01c51154$0dd7d1e0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <004301c51155$4321ad20$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks Kitty, That's my vote until I hear otherwise. BTW I am packing up the smaller stuff for educational giveaways. Are you interested? Didn't hear if you got my last package ok.. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > IMHO, stilbite with drusy quartz. > > Aloha, Kitty From dvoorhees at sisd.net Sat Feb 12 18:43:29 2005 From: dvoorhees at sisd.net (dvoorhees) Date: Sat Feb 12 18:33:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] familiar with Mn oxide minerals? Message-ID: <4210106E@webmail.sisd.net> Could it be pyrolucite? Just off the top of my head, it seems it was "hairy" and turned the fingers black in some specimines. >===== Original Message From "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" ===== >I rediscovered a specimen in my collection from the Pigmy mine in the western KY part of the IL-KY Fluorspar District. I had catalogued it as goethite on calcite back after I collected it in the mid 1980's. Looking at in the scope, it is curly >velvety masses of short, tiny acicular black crystals. It is not post-mine origin because the mineral occurs inside the calcite as well as over it. I've taken some digital pix (up to 45x). If anyone is familiar with manganese oxide minerals, I'd be >happy to send you images to examine. The only Mn-O mineral listed in the district is "wad" - and these are definitely crystalline! > >Alan > >P.S. Two other "rediscoveries" include hemimorphite from the Minerva No. 1 mine dump which I had catalogued as gypsum crust and selenite from the Annabel Lee mine I had labelled as celestine. Look up those mines on mindat to see photos. The >selenite is especially unusual. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Don Voorhees Core Leader Slider Middle School Said the little Eohippus, "I am going to be a horse!" From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Feb 12 18:40:04 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 12 18:41:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <00af01c51099$4d096830$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose><005f01c51099$c439f320$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <420D678C.30808@att.net><002401c510ac$3caf06d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant><420D7549.7060701@att.net> <005801c510be$57584340$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <002d01c51175$53235f00$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Makes sense to me! And up til now, I've seen both spellings, but now I know which is correct! Jeanette Drusy Wimpee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > I absolutely agree. It should be a druse of something, or drusy something. > > Kitty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don H" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a druse > > of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, you'll see > > ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, ..." That still > > begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be wrong? > > > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column in > > Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > > > > Drusy Don > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From willows30 at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 19:44:12 2005 From: willows30 at alltel.net (James A. Rollins) Date: Sat Feb 12 19:44:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Message-ID: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Does anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. James A. and Linda S. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Feb 12 20:13:12 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:14:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <010a01c51182$55e32f60$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> The Fort Drum trip is Feb 26th - 27th. If you want the details email me at geenet2@mchsi.com Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Does anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. James A. and Linda S. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Feb 12 20:20:13 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:21:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <012601c51183$50f441a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Yes, there is a trip planned for FEB 26-27th. email me for details. at geenet2@mchsi.com Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Does anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. James A. and Linda S. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Feb 12 20:22:55 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:23:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> <012601c51183$50f441a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <013201c51183$b16680c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Duh.....senior moment....answered it twice....lost the original reply in all the open windows. No wonder I had a sense of "deja vu" when I hit send on the second one... Jeanette Had a long day.....12 hour drive to pick up new puppy.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells > Yes, there is a trip planned for FEB 26-27th. email me for details. at > geenet2@mchsi.com > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James A. Rollins" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:44 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells > > > Does anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society > that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look > for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year > and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. > James A. and Linda S. Rollins > willows@alltel.net > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 12 20:27:24 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:25:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> <004801c50ff7$06bc0010$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <420ED6CA.222B@Tomaszewski.net> Ugly pictures warning... http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401a.jpg http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401b.jpg http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401c.jpg Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Yes, please post! > > Aloha, Kitty > > >I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing out of one > > face. > > > > I can post a picture if you are interested > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: > >> > >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals > >> up > >> to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof > >> (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > >> > >> > Dear John, > >> > > >> > I located the correct url as: > >> > > >> > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm > >> > > >> > cheers, > >> > > >> > diederik visser > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "John Jaszczak" > >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> > collectors" > >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > >> > > >> > > >> >> Thomas, > >> >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check the > >> >> link? > >> >> John > >> >> > >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> >>>Hello from Germany > >> >>> > >> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to this list, some > >> >>>may > >> >>>know me from past > >> >>>tradings. In fact you can find my new updated trade list at > >> >>> > >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of 25 years of > >> >>>mineral > >> >>>collecting, basically rare systematics and minerals from southern > >> >>>Africa > >> >>>and Europe. I am currently based in northern Bavaria > >> >>> > >> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant crystals > >> >>>and > >> >>>exceptional large mineral aggregates, which you may find at > >> >>> > >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > >> >>> > >> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant crystal > >> >>>localities" or have some interesting images etc. I would appreciate > >> >>>your > >> >>>contribution to this project. > >> >>> > >> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > >> >>> > >> >>>Thomas From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Feb 12 20:46:53 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:47:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Southeast Federation of Mineralogical Societies Field trip to Fort Drum - Rucks' Pit WHEN: Sat and Sun Feb 25-27 8:am to sundown FEE DIG WHAT: Fossils, calcite in combination WHERE: Rucks' Pit, Fort Drum Florida MEET: If you know the way, proceed on to the quarry; otherwise meet at Hwy 441, Ft. Drum General Store 8:00am NOT the Fort Drum Diner. COLLECTING HOURS: 8 am to sundown; it is essential that everyone be out of there by dark. WHAT'S THERE: There is an abundance of well-fossilezed adn calcified marine shells. The sand adn shell matrix rock is in the Nashua Formation (Pleistocene) adn is composed of well-calcified shells. Any cavities within these shells may contain calcite crystals. Honey colored crystals up to 1: in length can be found witin large fossilized clamshells. Samll Calcite crystals within shells are very common. Fossilized bone and teeth, although rare, can be found. FEE: $15.00 (children under 13 are free) SPECIAL CONDITIONS: It is recommended that you wear sturdy shoes or boots and gloves. Daytime temps can vary as much as 40 degrees F. so layered clothing is appropriate. This is an active quarry and the sand/rock along the quarry walls can collapse without notice. Be extremely careful working next to steep walls. Some areas may be marked off, so do not go into these areas for your safety. WHAT TO BRING: Buckets and/or backpacks along with paper to wrap specimens, scratching tools, hammers, picks, shovels, chisels, safety glasses, sunscreen, maps, lunch, and plenty of fluids. Bring a change of clothes. Collecting conditions are considered easy; however safety should be a primary concern. CONTACT: Eddie Rucks 863-357-4579 WHERE TO STAY: Okeechobee is the nearest town, however January and February are peak times for south Florida motels, check the following list of motels for latest rates. There are also many inexpensive motels in the Kissimmee area and on I-95 south of Melbourne down to Ft Pierce. Check ahead, some may still be closed due to hurricanes. Budget Inn - 863-763-3185 Holiday Inn - 863-357-3529 Flamingo Motel - 863-763-4894 Traveler's Inn - 863-763-3146 Economy Inn - 863-763-1148 Scottish Inn - 863-763-3293 DIRECTIONS: Fort Drum is on Hwy 441 approximately 15 miles south of the intersecton of Hwy 60 and 441. (Yeehaw Junction) Go south of Ft. Drum General Store about 0.5 mile and turn EAST on 304th st. Go about 2.75 miles to the quarry entrance (north side of the road) There should be someone at the gate by 8:00AM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Does anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. James A. and Linda S. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Feb 12 20:49:28 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:50:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> <014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <014b01c51187$66ce9940$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Forgive the many typos.....too late, too tired to type right.. Jeanette From lmcraft at wcc.net Sat Feb 12 20:55:36 2005 From: lmcraft at wcc.net (Marcia & Leroy Ingham) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:53:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte><014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <014b01c51187$66ce9940$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <005c01c51188$4240e1e0$a5770bd0@wcc.net> What kind of puppy? Marcia lmcraft@wcc.net From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 12 21:01:38 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 12 21:01:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte><014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><014b01c51187$66ce9940$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <005c01c51188$4240e1e0$a5770bd0@wcc.net> Message-ID: <003801c51189$1a524c40$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> I was just in the process of asking the same question, but I guess unless it's a pebble pup, we should ask off-list! Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- > What kind of puppy? > > Marcia > lmcraft@wcc.net From hptdesigns at charter.net Sat Feb 12 21:04:30 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sat Feb 12 21:03:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site In-Reply-To: <420ED6CA.222B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3rr89i$nkbke4@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> Where did you get that chart of the electromagnetic spectrum. I want one of those! Tommy Armstrong > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Kreigh Tomaszewski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:27 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > Ugly pictures warning... > > http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401a.jpg > http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401b.jpg > http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401c.jpg > > Kreigh > > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > Yes, please post! > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > >I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing > out of one > > >face. > > > > > > I can post a picture if you are interested > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: > > >> > > >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite > > >> crystals up to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've > never had > > >> anyone show proof (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric > > >> Livingston. > > >> > > >> Alan > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" > > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and > gem collectors" > > >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > >> > > >> > Dear John, > > >> > > > >> > I located the correct url as: > > >> > > > >> > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm > > >> > > > >> > cheers, > > >> > > > >> > diederik visser > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "John Jaszczak" > > >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > >> > collectors" > > >> > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> Thomas, > > >> >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check > > >> >> the link? > > >> >> John > > >> >> > > >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >> >>>Hello from Germany > > >> >>> > > >> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to > this list, > > >> >>>some may know me from past tradings. In fact you can > find my new > > >> >>>updated trade list at > > >> >>> > > >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of > 25 years > > >> >>>of mineral collecting, basically rare systematics and > minerals > > >> >>>from southern Africa and Europe. I am currently based in > > >> >>>northern Bavaria > > >> >>> > > >> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant > > >> >>>crystals and exceptional large mineral aggregates, > which you may > > >> >>>find at > > >> >>> > > >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > > >> >>> > > >> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant > > >> >>>crystal localities" or have some interesting images > etc. I would > > >> >>>appreciate your contribution to this project. > > >> >>> > > >> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > > >> >>> > > >> >>>Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From lmcraft at wcc.net Sat Feb 12 21:06:24 2005 From: lmcraft at wcc.net (Marcia & Leroy Ingham) Date: Sat Feb 12 21:04:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte><014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><014b01c51187$66ce9940$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><005c01c51188$4240e1e0$a5770bd0@wcc.net> <003801c51189$1a524c40$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <006801c51189$c4656be0$a5770bd0@wcc.net> Oops, sorry, thought I was on another list!! Marcia lmcraft@wcc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. > I was just in the process of asking the same question, but I guess unless > it's a pebble pup, we should ask off-list! > > Aloha, Kitty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > What kind of puppy? > > > > Marcia > > lmcraft@wcc.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 12 22:15:24 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 12 22:13:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site References: <3rr89i$nkbke4@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <420EF00B.6EE5@Tomaszewski.net> www.exploratorium.edu -- and I hope I remembered it correctly. One of the first 'hand's on' museums, and a great resource. Tommy Armstrong wrote: > > Where did you get that chart of the electromagnetic spectrum. I want one of > those! > Tommy Armstrong > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:27 PM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > > > Ugly pictures warning... > > > > http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401a.jpg > > http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401b.jpg > > http://www.tomaszewski.net/Images/0401c.jpg > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > > Yes, please post! > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > >I have a 6 inch Fluorite cube, with a 4 inch twin growing > > out of one > > > >face. > > > > > > > > I can post a picture if you are interested > > > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite > > > >> crystals up to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've > > never had > > > >> anyone show proof (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric > > > >> Livingston. > > > >> > > > >> Alan > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Diederik Visser Minerals" > > > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and > > gem collectors" > > > >> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:15 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > > >> > > > >> > Dear John, > > > >> > > > > >> > I located the correct url as: > > > >> > > > > >> > http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradinglist.htm > > > >> > > > > >> > cheers, > > > >> > > > > >> > diederik visser > > > >> > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: "John Jaszczak" > > > >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > >> > collectors" > > > >> > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:51 PM > > > >> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystal Project Site > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> Thomas, > > > >> >> Your tradelist URL seems to be a broken link. Can you check > > > >> >> the link? > > > >> >> John > > > >> >> > > > >> >> At 04:20 PM 2/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > >> >>>Hello from Germany > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>My name is Thomas Krassmann, and though I am new to > > this list, > > > >> >>>some may know me from past tradings. In fact you can > > find my new > > > >> >>>updated trade list at > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/tradelist.htm > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>Myself I am a 43 year old geologist with a history of > > 25 years > > > >> >>>of mineral collecting, basically rare systematics and > > minerals > > > >> >>>from southern Africa and Europe. I am currently based in > > > >> >>>northern Bavaria > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>I also would like to point to a new project devoted to giant > > > >> >>>crystals and exceptional large mineral aggregates, > > which you may > > > >> >>>find at > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>Please have a look and enjoy. If you know of any other "giant > > > >> >>>crystal localities" or have some interesting images > > etc. I would > > > >> >>>appreciate your contribution to this project. > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>Thank you and Gl?ck Auf > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>Thomas From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 12 22:52:39 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 12 22:52:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Exploratorium (was: Giant Crystal Project Site) References: <3rr89i$nkbke4@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> <420EF00B.6EE5@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005101c51198$9c466f10$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> The Exploratorium in SFO is a marvelous "hands on" museum! The website is great too. You're right, Kreigh, such museums where everyone---especially kids---can be inspired by the wonders of science are wonderful, and all too rare. Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" www.exploratorium.edu -- and I hope I remembered it correctly. One of > the first 'hand's on' museums, and a great resource. > > Tommy Armstrong wrote: >> Where did you get that chart of the electromagnetic spectrum. I want one >> of >> those! >> Tommy Armstrong From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 13 03:16:12 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 13 03:16:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <002d01c51175$53235f00$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Kitty wrote: > I absolutely agree. It should be a druse of something, or drusy > something. Avoid using capitals: a Druse in not the same as a druse. Druze /dru;z/ (also Druse) ? n. (pl. same, Druzes, or Druses) a member of a political and religious sect of Islamic origin, living chiefly in Lebanon and Syria. ? ORIGIN from Fr., from Arab. durGz (pl.), from the name of one of their founders, Muhammad ibn Ismail al-DarazW (died 1019). They were the subject of a National Geographic documentary that tried to investigate their belief in reincarnation. Weird stuff ;-)))) Cheers Axel From volgems at icx.net Sun Feb 13 07:21:36 2005 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Sun Feb 13 07:21:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Exploratorium (was: Giant Crystal Project Site) Message-ID: <6385238.1108308097111.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> I believe the correct web address is: http://www.exploratorium.org/ John Teague Volunteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com -----Original Message----- From: Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Feb 13, 2005 1:52 AM To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Exploratorium (was: Giant Crystal Project Site) The Exploratorium in SFO is a marvelous "hands on" museum! The website is great too. You're right, Kreigh, such museums where everyone---especially kids---can be inspired by the wonders of science are wonderful, and all too rare. Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" www.exploratorium.edu -- and I hope I remembered it correctly. One of > the first 'hand's on' museums, and a great resource. > > Tommy Armstrong wrote: >> Where did you get that chart of the electromagnetic spectrum. I want one >> of >> those! >> Tommy Armstrong _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Sun Feb 13 07:30:23 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Sun Feb 13 07:30:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence In-Reply-To: <3rr89p$n2mvei@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3rr89p$n2mvei@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <1108308623.420f728f70c68@my2.dal.ca> Tommy, I don't understand the purpose of the ruthenium. Why not just shine 600nm light into the water? Ronnie Quoting Tommy Armstrong : > I was at a continuing ed course for wastewater gurus yesterday and a > salesman was demonstrating a new DO meter (Dissolved Oxygen). Now DO has > always had a really difficult thing to measure continuously as it involves > high maintenance--changing membranes, changing electrolytes, constantly > calibrating. Real pain > > Well this new meter uses the property of Ruthenium --if it is irradiated by > a wavelenghth of 475nm it fluoresces at 600nm. The other thing in the > equation is that Dissolved Oxygen quenches that fluorescence in a direct > relation to its concentration. So have water in contact with Ruthenium , > irradiate with a 475nm diode, measure the resultant intensity of the 600nm > fluorescent light, and voila--read the DO in the water. The beauty of the > system is that since it is measuring quenching, the lower the DO > concentration, the higher the signal strength. Can measure down to .03 parts > per million. Almost impossible with the other technique. > > Very neat > > Tommy Armstrong > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a > spark from their juxtaposition." > Max Ernst > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Axel Emmermann > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:42 PM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > Hmmm, if I recall right, DD stands for Desert Don, not Drusy > > Don... (LOL) > > > > Hey Don, my friend, how's life? > > > > I just had a dry practice run for Valentine's day and I > > cooked my wife a dish of "eel a la Provencale". To take the > > edge of the "dry run" I sprinkled some Australian dry white > > wine on and about the dish... Just in case anyone wonders > > where my good mood came from ;-))) We Belgians have one thing > > in common with the French: we will eat weird animals! > > (snails, frogs... you name it, we'll cook it. Beware of my > > Cajun skunk with garlic sauce...) > > > > Now to get back on topic: this thread is just begging for a > > "definition". I found one at last and here it is! > > According to the Photo-Atlas of Minerals, Produced by "The > > Gem & Mineral Council of the L.A. County Museum of Natural History: > > > > Drusy: surface covered with a layer of intergrown crystals > > with terminal crystals. > > > > Also DRUSE: Intergrowth of small projecting crystals that > > line the walls of a cavity in rock. Usually, only the > > terminations of the crystals are visible. > > > > In fact, this supports the walk down sugary-alley, doesn't it? > > > > I hope this helps to clear things up... > > A fine example of drusy wulfenite crystals can be seen at: > > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/images/Wulfenietmetcoating1.JPG > > > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lanny > > Verzonden: zaterdag 12 februari 2005 18:42 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > Hi Drusy Don, > > > > Good point! As the other posts pointed out, druse and drusy > > refer to size and texture, a "coating or lining of small > > crystals." I think the use of drusy indicating a coating of > > quartz on chalcedony or especially over chrysocolla is > > related to all those who jumped into the mineral trade to rip > > off the metaphysical group. It goes hand in hand with their > > use of "crystal" when they mean quartz. > > > > Similarly, using the word "sugary" to describe druse or drusy > > is also wrong. That implies a texture "sugar-grain size and > > appearance," such as in a coating of tiny quartz crystals > > about 1/2 - 1 mm across. > > Considering that druse and drusy are not limited to size (except for > > "small") and aren't limited to quartz or a similar appearing > > mineral, then sugary is quite misleading too. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lanny > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Don H wrote: > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > > > > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to > > describe a > > > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For > > example, > > > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, > > > ..." That still begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might > > I still be > > > wrong? > > > > > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It > > Right" column > > > in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > > > > > > > Drusy Don > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Feb 13 08:08:06 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 13 08:09:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte><014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><014b01c51187$66ce9940$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <005c01c51188$4240e1e0$a5770bd0@wcc.net> Message-ID: <000701c511e6$347bb540$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Weimeraner....9 weeks old. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia & Leroy Ingham" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. > What kind of puppy? > > Marcia > lmcraft@wcc.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Feb 13 08:10:21 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 13 08:11:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <001601c5117e$48ad8510$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte><014101c51187$0a391f20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><014b01c51187$66ce9940$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><005c01c51188$4240e1e0$a5770bd0@wcc.net> <003801c51189$1a524c40$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <000d01c511e6$84c0b820$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Glenn's getting a weimeraner puppy to show. This will be his second weimie, and if she's anything like the first, she'll be helping us on ROCK HUNTING field trips. :-) Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. > I was just in the process of asking the same question, but I guess unless > it's a pebble pup, we should ask off-list! > > Aloha, Kitty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > What kind of puppy? > > > > Marcia > > lmcraft@wcc.net > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Sun Feb 13 08:16:16 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 08:16:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Message-ID: I do a lot of travellin to Louisiana, that must be a vartiation on Cajun Nutria with Garlic Sauce. :-) When I moved to Delaware, I could not get used to the baskets of Muskrat carcasses at the local farmers' market. These were the main ingredient in a local delicacy. Fortunately they no longer are that popular as a food item here. Another local delicacy I learned to like before I learned what it was. Snapper soup.... actually snapping turtle soup. Excellent with a little sherry mixed in. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: Beware of my Cajun skunk with garlic sauce...) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Sun Feb 13 08:08:11 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 08:17:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Delaware Mineralogical Society Show March 5 & 6 2005 Message-ID: Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc Our March 2005 show is just around the corner. Last year?s show at our new location was a huge success. More details and a discount coupon are available at www.delminsociety.net .For those who have not seen our show in awhile, we moved to a new location in 2004. The new location is brighter, roomier, larger and more conveniently located than the old one. We have added dealers and we had a great 2004 show. We are doing our best to beat 2004 in 2005. Our theme this year is a ?World of Agates?. This should be a colorful event. Won?t you come join us? WHEN - Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 10 A.M. to 6 P.M. Sunday, March 6, 2005 - 11 A.M. to 5 P.M. WHERE: Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713 For further information, contact: ? http://www.delminsociety.net/ ? Gene Hartstein, (302) 234-4488 (E-Mail- fossilnut@aol.com) (Publicity) ? Karissa Hendershot (302) 762-7760 (President) ? Wayne Urion (302) 998-0686 (E-Mail- wurion@aol.com ) (Show Chair) Gene Hartstein Publicity Chair . --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 13 09:10:10 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 13 09:10:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ahaaa! I see that the Belgian/French weird-food-fetish is trickling down in North American cuisine ;-))) Muskrat... I heard it tastes a little like rabbit. Bon appetit, Gene Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens FOSSILNUT@aol.com Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2005 17:16 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" I do a lot of travellin to Louisiana, that must be a vartiation on Cajun Nutria with Garlic Sauce. :-) When I moved to Delaware, I could not get used to the baskets of Muskrat carcasses at the local farmers' market. These were the main ingredient in a local delicacy. Fortunately they no longer are that popular as a food item here. Another local delicacy I learned to like before I learned what it was. Snapper soup.... actually snapping turtle soup. Excellent with a little sherry mixed in. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: Beware of my Cajun skunk with garlic sauce...) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lanny at lrream.com Sun Feb 13 09:52:57 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Feb 13 09:50:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <002501c5113f$c5e10f00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <002501c5113f$c5e10f00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <18567158-7DE8-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> They may both be druses. Druse or drusy applies to the mineral that has the texture that the term is applied to. If the stilbite blades are a fairly uniform coating on the rock surfaces, then it is drusy stilbite, or a druse of stilbite or a stilbite druse. If the quartz crystals are similarly a fairly uniform coating on the stilbite, then it is drusy quartz or a druse of quartz or a quartz druse on stilbite. Although, I'm not sure if the meaning of druse was meant to include crystals so tiny they really are only recognizable under a 'scope. When they are that small, they look more like a smooth crust, not that "drusy" texture of the tiny crystal faces and terminations that we generally associate with "drusy," but from the definitions, it isn't clear of the intent. Regards, Lanny On Feb 12, 2005, at 12:15 PM, John Siebel wrote: > So I'm slightly confused. I've been unpacking and labeling specimens > for the > past week. I have several boxes of goodies from Coffin Butte, Oregon. > One > nice one is calcite on small (2mm) stilbite blades. The stilbite is > covered > with a "milky dust" that, under the scope, reveals itself as tiny > (0.1mm) > quartz crystals. I know that the quartz is the druse, but do I have > "stilbite with drusy quartz", or "drusy stilbite"? > > Thanks - John > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From hptdesigns at charter.net Sun Feb 13 10:01:25 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Feb 13 10:00:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence In-Reply-To: <1108308623.420f728f70c68@my2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <3rr3lu$i9l4jt@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> The light shone into the water is 475nm but ruthenium fluoresces when exposed to 475 with 600nm light. The oxygen in the water quenches --"inhibits" the fluorescence of the ruthenium in proportion to its concentration. I probably did not make that clear--DO does not inhibit or quench 600nm light--just the ability of the ruthenium to create it. At least that is the way I understand it. And then you can measure the amount of the quench by simply measuring the amount of 600nm light is created and compare it to the known amount if no O2 present. "Aysix in action The sensor works by internally producing a specific energy wavelength (475nm) which is transmitted to a ruthenium compound immobilized in a sol-gel matrix. Ruthenium, a metal in the platinum group, is used in alloys to make electrical contacts for severe wear resistance. Ruthenium will absorb the energy produced, exciting electrons in the ruthenium complex. The electron will then collapse back to its original energy state, emitting energy at a wavelength of approximately 600nm. This is the fluorescing principle. If the intensity of the transmitted wavelength is tightly controlled, the amount of fluorescing is both predictable and repeatable. When oxygen molecules are present, the amount of fluorescing is reduced. This is called "fluorescence quenching". By measuring the amount of quenching, it is possible to determine the oxygen concentration in contact with the sensing element. The fluorescence technology used in the Aysix sensor is distinct from luminescence technology. While the two methods are similar, there is one key difference: fluorescence is the measurement of the immediate reaction of a material in response to an excitation energy source, whereas luminescence is the measurement of the time it takes the material to recover after the excitation energy source is removed. This latter method is the one most manufacturers of optical-type DO systems use." http://www.baumpub.com/publications/cep/cep_features/cep_04jan_f1.htm Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Ronnie Van Dommelen > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:30 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence > > Tommy, > > I don't understand the purpose of the ruthenium. Why not > just shine 600nm light into the water? > > Ronnie > > > Quoting Tommy Armstrong : > > > I was at a continuing ed course for wastewater gurus > yesterday and a > > salesman was demonstrating a new DO meter (Dissolved > Oxygen). Now DO > > has always had a really difficult thing to measure > continuously as it > > involves high maintenance--changing membranes, changing > electrolytes, > > constantly calibrating. Real pain > > > > Well this new meter uses the property of Ruthenium --if it is > > irradiated by a wavelenghth of 475nm it fluoresces at > 600nm. The other > > thing in the equation is that Dissolved Oxygen quenches that > > fluorescence in a direct relation to its concentration. So > have water > > in contact with Ruthenium , irradiate with a 475nm diode, > measure the > > resultant intensity of the 600nm fluorescent light, and voila--read > > the DO in the water. The beauty of the system is that since it is > > measuring quenching, the lower the DO concentration, the higher the > > signal strength. Can measure down to .03 parts per million. > Almost impossible with the other technique. > > > > Very neat > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct > realities and > > draw a spark from their juxtaposition." > > Max Ernst > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel > > > Emmermann > > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:42 PM > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > Hmmm, if I recall right, DD stands for Desert Don, not > Drusy Don... > > > (LOL) > > > > > > Hey Don, my friend, how's life? > > > > > > I just had a dry practice run for Valentine's day and I cooked my > > > wife a dish of "eel a la Provencale". To take the edge of > the "dry > > > run" I sprinkled some Australian dry white wine on and about the > > > dish... Just in case anyone wonders where my good mood came from > > > ;-))) We Belgians have one thing in common with the > French: we will > > > eat weird animals! > > > (snails, frogs... you name it, we'll cook it. Beware of my Cajun > > > skunk with garlic sauce...) > > > > > > Now to get back on topic: this thread is just begging for a > > > "definition". I found one at last and here it is! > > > According to the Photo-Atlas of Minerals, Produced by "The Gem & > > > Mineral Council of the L.A. County Museum of Natural History: > > > > > > Drusy: surface covered with a layer of intergrown crystals with > > > terminal crystals. > > > > > > Also DRUSE: Intergrowth of small projecting crystals that > line the > > > walls of a cavity in rock. Usually, only the terminations of the > > > crystals are visible. > > > > > > In fact, this supports the walk down sugary-alley, doesn't it? > > > > > > I hope this helps to clear things up... > > > A fine example of drusy wulfenite crystals can be seen at: > > > > > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/images/Wulfenietmetcoating1.JP > > > G > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lanny > > > Verzonden: zaterdag 12 februari 2005 18:42 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > > > > Hi Drusy Don, > > > > > > Good point! As the other posts pointed out, druse and > drusy refer to > > > size and texture, a "coating or lining of small > crystals." I think > > > the use of drusy indicating a coating of quartz on chalcedony or > > > especially over chrysocolla is related to all those who > jumped into > > > the mineral trade to rip off the metaphysical group. It > goes hand in > > > hand with their use of "crystal" when they mean quartz. > > > > > > Similarly, using the word "sugary" to describe druse or drusy is > > > also wrong. That implies a texture "sugar-grain size and > > > appearance," such as in a coating of tiny quartz crystals > about 1/2 > > > - 1 mm across. > > > Considering that druse and drusy are not limited to size > (except for > > > "small") and aren't limited to quartz or a similar appearing > > > mineral, then sugary is quite misleading too. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Don H wrote: > > > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > > > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > > > > > > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to > > > describe a > > > > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For > > > example, > > > > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, > > > > drusy, ..." That still begs the question, "drusy > what?" Or might > > > I still be > > > > wrong? > > > > > > > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It > > > Right" column > > > > in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his > nomenclature woes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drusy Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 13 10:16:17 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 13 10:16:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence In-Reply-To: <3rr3lu$i9l4jt@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: This is what I found on: http://www.enviroequip.com/quipnotes/IIG_Fluorescence_Technology.htm Fluorescence Technology - Principal of Operation The emitter sends light, at ~475 nm, to the back side of the sensing element. The wetted side of the sensing element consists of a thin layer of a hydrophobic sol-gel material. A ruthenium complex is trapped in the sol-gel matrix, effectively immobilized and protected from water. The light from the LED excites the ruthenium complex immobilized in the sensing element. The excited ruthenium complex fluoresces, emitting energy at ~600 nm. If the excited ruthenium complex encounters an oxygen molecule, the excess energy is transferred to the oxygen molecule in a non-radiative transfer, decreasing or quenching the fluorescence signal (see Fluorescence Quenching below). The degree of quenching correlates to the level of oxygen concentration in contact with the sensing element. Fluorescence Quenching Oxygen is able to efficiently quench the fluorescence and phosphorescence of certain luminophores. This effect (first described by Kautsky in 1939) is called "dynamic fluorescence quenching." Collision of an oxygen molecule with a fluorophore in its excited state leads to a non-radiative transfer of energy. The degree of fluorescence quenching relates to the frequency of collisions, and therefore to the concentration of the oxygen-containing media. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Tommy Armstrong Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2005 19:01 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence The light shone into the water is 475nm but ruthenium fluoresces when exposed to 475 with 600nm light. The oxygen in the water quenches --"inhibits" the fluorescence of the ruthenium in proportion to its concentration. I probably did not make that clear--DO does not inhibit or quench 600nm light--just the ability of the ruthenium to create it. At least that is the way I understand it. And then you can measure the amount of the quench by simply measuring the amount of 600nm light is created and compare it to the known amount if no O2 present. "Aysix in action The sensor works by internally producing a specific energy wavelength (475nm) which is transmitted to a ruthenium compound immobilized in a sol-gel matrix. Ruthenium, a metal in the platinum group, is used in alloys to make electrical contacts for severe wear resistance. Ruthenium will absorb the energy produced, exciting electrons in the ruthenium complex. The electron will then collapse back to its original energy state, emitting energy at a wavelength of approximately 600nm. This is the fluorescing principle. If the intensity of the transmitted wavelength is tightly controlled, the amount of fluorescing is both predictable and repeatable. When oxygen molecules are present, the amount of fluorescing is reduced. This is called "fluorescence quenching". By measuring the amount of quenching, it is possible to determine the oxygen concentration in contact with the sensing element. The fluorescence technology used in the Aysix sensor is distinct from luminescence technology. While the two methods are similar, there is one key difference: fluorescence is the measurement of the immediate reaction of a material in response to an excitation energy source, whereas luminescence is the measurement of the time it takes the material to recover after the excitation energy source is removed. This latter method is the one most manufacturers of optical-type DO systems use." http://www.baumpub.com/publications/cep/cep_features/cep_04jan_f1.htm Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Ronnie Van Dommelen > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:30 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Neat use of Fluorescence > > Tommy, > > I don't understand the purpose of the ruthenium. Why not > just shine 600nm light into the water? > > Ronnie > > > Quoting Tommy Armstrong : > > > I was at a continuing ed course for wastewater gurus > yesterday and a > > salesman was demonstrating a new DO meter (Dissolved > Oxygen). Now DO > > has always had a really difficult thing to measure > continuously as it > > involves high maintenance--changing membranes, changing > electrolytes, > > constantly calibrating. Real pain > > > > Well this new meter uses the property of Ruthenium --if it is > > irradiated by a wavelenghth of 475nm it fluoresces at > 600nm. The other > > thing in the equation is that Dissolved Oxygen quenches that > > fluorescence in a direct relation to its concentration. So > have water > > in contact with Ruthenium , irradiate with a 475nm diode, > measure the > > resultant intensity of the 600nm fluorescent light, and voila--read > > the DO in the water. The beauty of the system is that since it is > > measuring quenching, the lower the DO concentration, the higher the > > signal strength. Can measure down to .03 parts per million. > Almost impossible with the other technique. > > > > Very neat > > > > Tommy Armstrong > > > > "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct > realities and > > draw a spark from their juxtaposition." > > Max Ernst > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel > > > Emmermann > > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:42 PM > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > Hmmm, if I recall right, DD stands for Desert Don, not > Drusy Don... > > > (LOL) > > > > > > Hey Don, my friend, how's life? > > > > > > I just had a dry practice run for Valentine's day and I cooked my > > > wife a dish of "eel a la Provencale". To take the edge of > the "dry > > > run" I sprinkled some Australian dry white wine on and about the > > > dish... Just in case anyone wonders where my good mood came from > > > ;-))) We Belgians have one thing in common with the > French: we will > > > eat weird animals! > > > (snails, frogs... you name it, we'll cook it. Beware of my Cajun > > > skunk with garlic sauce...) > > > > > > Now to get back on topic: this thread is just begging for a > > > "definition". I found one at last and here it is! > > > According to the Photo-Atlas of Minerals, Produced by "The Gem & > > > Mineral Council of the L.A. County Museum of Natural History: > > > > > > Drusy: surface covered with a layer of intergrown crystals with > > > terminal crystals. > > > > > > Also DRUSE: Intergrowth of small projecting crystals that > line the > > > walls of a cavity in rock. Usually, only the terminations of the > > > crystals are visible. > > > > > > In fact, this supports the walk down sugary-alley, doesn't it? > > > > > > I hope this helps to clear things up... > > > A fine example of drusy wulfenite crystals can be seen at: > > > > > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/images/Wulfenietmetcoating1.JP > > > G > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lanny > > > Verzonden: zaterdag 12 februari 2005 18:42 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > > > > Hi Drusy Don, > > > > > > Good point! As the other posts pointed out, druse and > drusy refer to > > > size and texture, a "coating or lining of small > crystals." I think > > > the use of drusy indicating a coating of quartz on chalcedony or > > > especially over chrysocolla is related to all those who > jumped into > > > the mineral trade to rip off the metaphysical group. It > goes hand in > > > hand with their use of "crystal" when they mean quartz. > > > > > > Similarly, using the word "sugary" to describe druse or drusy is > > > also wrong. That implies a texture "sugar-grain size and > > > appearance," such as in a coating of tiny quartz crystals > about 1/2 > > > - 1 mm across. > > > Considering that druse and drusy are not limited to size > (except for > > > "small") and aren't limited to quartz or a similar appearing > > > mineral, then sugary is quite misleading too. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lanny > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Don H wrote: > > > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > > > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > > > > > > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to > > > describe a > > > > druse of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For > > > example, > > > > you'll see ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, > > > > drusy, ..." That still begs the question, "drusy > what?" Or might > > > I still be > > > > wrong? > > > > > > > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It > > > Right" column > > > > in Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his > nomenclature woes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drusy Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bouldercreek at shaw.ca Sat Feb 12 10:40:03 2005 From: bouldercreek at shaw.ca (The Andersons) Date: Sun Feb 13 10:42:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay Amethyst Message-ID: <000a01c51132$443220a0$ec104e18@tb.shawcable.net> Hello all I am the owner of an amethyst mine here in Thunder Bay There is a lot of other minerals with this deposit such as galena calcite barite sphalarite and such.We have had alot of collectors come to our site anyone interested in visiting or viewing these and others check this link http://bouldercreek.cjb.net Thank You Chuck Anderson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Rocknlight at aol.com Sun Feb 13 11:01:07 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 11:01:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need help on -SHOW DATES AND LOCATIONS etc Message-ID: <1fb.3e67f0b.2f40fdf3@aol.com> Hello everyone I no longer get the lapidary journal or other magazines.. Is there www. web site that shows us the majority of show dates and locations, etc.. I am mainly interested in all of the Southern California show dates and Tailgates etc.. Thanks for all your help in advance RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JScully216 at aol.com Sun Feb 13 12:47:36 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 12:47:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need help on -SHOW DATES AND LOCATIONS etc Message-ID: <89.2093ecae.2f4116e8@aol.com> _http://www.lapidaryjournal.com/cal1.cfm_ (http://www.lapidaryjournal.com/cal1.cfm) _http://www.rockngem.com/showdates/showdates.shtml_ (http://www.rockngem.com/showdates/showdates.shtml) In a message dated 2/13/2005 12:01:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Rocknlight@aol.com writes: Hello everyone I no longer get the lapidary journal or other magazines.. Is there www. web site that shows us the majority of show dates and locations, etc.. I am mainly interested in all of the Southern California show dates and Tailgates etc.. Thanks for all your help in advance RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Sun Feb 13 16:23:48 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Sun Feb 13 16:24:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c5122b$77f8e0a0$0300a8c0@gametime> Axel: Ahhh muskrat tastes like chicken, nope! I'll jump in on this topic since I have lived in Louisiana and outside of Philadelphia where marsh rabbits (muskrat) are marketed in season. Muskrat is one of the sweetest dark meats I have ever eaten. Which brings us as close to being on topic as I can think of: Muskrats eat shoots and roots, often the sweetest tenderest part of any plant. So I presume it is their eating habit that concentrates the local minerals and sugars in their meat. I haven't tried nutria, but I know the Louisianans hate them for destroying sections of the swamps. The Cajuns in South LA pride themselves on eating almost everything that moves, swims, flies or grows. I'm sure some of those restaurants back in the swamp can offer up some nutria if requested. Truth to tell, Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only source of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are (cinnamon, vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly molted ones are best). But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some Belgian in us. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:10 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Ahaaa! I see that the Belgian/French weird-food-fetish is trickling down in North American cuisine ;-))) Muskrat... I heard it tastes a little like rabbit. Bon appetit, Gene Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens FOSSILNUT@aol.com Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2005 17:16 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" I do a lot of travellin to Louisiana, that must be a vartiation on Cajun Nutria with Garlic Sauce. :-) When I moved to Delaware, I could not get used to the baskets of Muskrat carcasses at the local farmers' market. These were the main ingredient in a local delicacy. Fortunately they no longer are that popular as a food item here. Another local delicacy I learned to like before I learned what it was. Snapper soup.... actually snapping turtle soup. Excellent with a little sherry mixed in. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: Beware of my Cajun skunk with garlic sauce...) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Bozo5 at aol.com Sun Feb 13 16:29:31 2005 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 16:29:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Message-ID: <1d4.35f3e8fa.2f414aeb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/13/2005 9:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, lanny@lrream.com writes: Although, I'm not sure if the meaning of druse was meant to include crystals so tiny they really are only recognizable under a 'scope. When they are that small, they look more like a smooth crust, not that "drusy" texture of the tiny crystal faces and terminations that we generally associate with "drusy," but from the definitions, it isn't clear of the intent. (this would be better as a reply to the earlier message that contained the definition, but that's long gone) I didn't realize that "small" was even a part of a definition. Instead of "small" I thought it was more important that the crystals be of fairly uniform size. Specifically, I thought the large Brazilian amethyst cathedrals were filled with druse, even those with 3cm crystals. Are all official sources in agreement? Flint --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Sun Feb 13 17:21:56 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 13 17:18:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <1d4.35f3e8fa.2f414aeb@aol.com> References: <1d4.35f3e8fa.2f414aeb@aol.com> Message-ID: <420FFD34.1000003@att.net> Bozo5@aol.com wrote: > I didn't realize that "small" was even a part of a definition. Instead of > "small" I thought it was more important that the crystals be of fairly uniform > size. Specifically, I thought the large Brazilian amethyst cathedrals were > filled with druse, even those with 3cm crystals. Are all official sources in > agreement? Argh argh argh... I'm having an off day with the searches. I found references to "an old Lapidary Journal article" that was written about the use and misuse of the term drusy, but not the specific issue (it couldn't be that old, I've only been doing this since 1996). Anyway, just to get crazy with it, I consulted the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, which defines druse as originating from Middle Low German "Druese" (actually, "Dr?se" if your computer can interpret the umlaut characters) and Dutch "droes" (Lowlanders! Is "droes" a current word?) The definition is "a cavity in a rock lined with small projecting crystals." The use of the word in English dates from the late 1700's. Don From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Sun Feb 13 17:33:36 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 17:33:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need help on -SHOW DATES AND LOCATIONS etc Message-ID: <149.3f14f73d.2f4159f0@aol.com> My two favorites are Bob's Rock Shop. You'll find show dates and more here www.rockhounds.com and GemData www.gemdata.com Gene Hartstein Newark, DE 19711 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Feb 13 17:47:37 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 13 17:48:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to cultural food tastes References: <001201c5122b$77f8e0a0$0300a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <005a01c51237$29c1dfc0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> The only ants I've tasted were chocolate ones, couldn't tell what the actual crunchy bodies tasted like. What kind of folks were those out collecting cicadas? And did they really eat them? We still are a melting pot, not sort of. Me small part Choctaw, large part English, the rest German, but no tendency to eat weird food....other than raw oysters. Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only source > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are (cinnamon, > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > molted ones are best). > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > Belgian in us. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > From Bozo5 at aol.com Sun Feb 13 17:54:59 2005 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 17:55:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Message-ID: That's funny. So a druse is just a fancy vug? That definition doesn't agree with modern usage at all! Flint In a message dated 2/13/2005 5:18:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, morningstar@att.net writes: Argh argh argh... I'm having an off day with the searches. I found references to "an old Lapidary Journal article" that was written about the use and misuse of the term drusy, but not the specific issue (it couldn't be that old, I've only been doing this since 1996). Anyway, just to get crazy with it, I consulted the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, which defines druse as originating from Middle Low German "Druese" (actually, "Dr?se" if your computer can interpret the umlaut characters) and Dutch "droes" (Lowlanders! Is "droes" a current word?) The definition is "a cavity in a rock lined with small projecting crystals." The use of the word in English dates from the late 1700's. Don Bozo5@aol.com wrote: > I didn't realize that "small" was even a part of the definition. Instead of > "small" I thought it was more important that the crystals be of fairly uniform > size. Specifically, I thought the large Brazilian amethyst cathedrals were > filled with druse, even those with 3cm crystals. Are all official sources in > agreement? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From willows30 at alltel.net Sun Feb 13 20:17:00 2005 From: willows30 at alltel.net (James A. Rollins) Date: Sun Feb 13 20:15:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice Message-ID: <014c01c5124c$2031b470$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Did any one watch the program (I think on SCI.) Some lab has developed a strain of mice that have a fluoresing compoung in all their cells. They glow green under black lights. Their eyes, ears and tails were the brightst. If I remember correctly it was a program about top 100 scientific discoveries. James A. Rollins willows30@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapadary at aol.com Sun Feb 13 21:26:06 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 21:26:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice Message-ID: <198.3882b3ec.2f41906e@aol.com> In a message dated 2/13/2005 8:15:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, willows30@alltel.net writes: If I remember correctly it was a program about top 100 scientific discoveries. That was one of the top 100 scientific discoveries? No wonder the Hummer only gets 6 miles per gallon, even with platinum plugs ;-) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Sun Feb 13 22:21:37 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Feb 13 22:19:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: <1d4.35f3e8fa.2f414aeb@aol.com> References: <1d4.35f3e8fa.2f414aeb@aol.com> Message-ID: Look at a geological dictionary. If you don't have a library handy with one, then try a search on the web. If searching on the web, be sure and get a real dictionary, one from an organization such as the American Geological Institute, because there are a lot of "dictionaries" or glossaries at universities and other places that are poor quality word lists with "definitions" that are more like somebody's opinion then definitions that match geological dictionaries. Some of these can be amusing! The geologic dictionaries are fairly consistent in having a definition of "a crust of small crystals lining the insides of a cavity." An interesting conflict is that most of the English language dictionaries have perverted this to a "crust of tiny crystals... ." "Small" is not defined, and I don't have a geologic library nearby with old references to search to try and determine if old usage meant under 1 cm or under 1 meter or small enough to fit in an ore car. My feeling is that from common usage amongst the geologic educated is for the crystals to be relatively uniform in size and not big; your 3 cm amethyst crystals in a geode would fit the definition. Most people seem to not use the term for the amethyst lining a Brazilian geode where the crystals are an inch or more across and long. I believe it is mostly just that we tend to use the term for small crystals where small is more like under 1/2 inch or so. It's all relative, if I found a geode in Idaho with amethyst crystals that size I'd think of them as big! Regards, Lanny On Feb 13, 2005, at 4:29 PM, Bozo5@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/13/2005 9:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lanny@lrream.com writes: > > Although, I'm not sure if the meaning of druse was meant to include > crystals so tiny they really are only recognizable under a 'scope. When > they are that small, they look more like a smooth crust, not that > "drusy" texture of the tiny crystal faces and terminations that we > generally associate with "drusy," but from the definitions, it isn't > clear of the intent. > > > > > > > > > (this would be better as a reply to the earlier message that contained > the > definition, but that's long gone) > > > I didn't realize that "small" was even a part of a definition. > Instead of > "small" I thought it was more important that the crystals be of > fairly uniform > size. Specifically, I thought the large Brazilian amethyst > cathedrals were > filled with druse, even those with 3cm crystals. Are all official > sources in > agreement? > > Flint > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Feb 13 22:24:00 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Feb 13 23:00:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" References: <001201c5122b$77f8e0a0$0300a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <004001c51262$cc79da80$3a3d27c4@privatehome> Hi everybody, Seeing this subject has jumped from "rocks" to "food" i may as well add a few comments. A delicacy in Zimbabwe is "sundried Mopani worms". These are sold all alongside the roadside by locals and are apparently a delicacy. In South Africa I have eaten warthog already, which is quite a delicacy. Whilst in Anchorage(Alaska) I was treated to moose meat, caribou meat and bear meat. Moose and caribou taste similar to beef, whilst bear meat tastes like goat meat.In Namibia delicacies of course include Springbok, kudu and gemsbok meat. Smoked kudu meat tastes really superb. Regards, Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:23 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > Axel: > Ahhh muskrat tastes like chicken, nope! I'll jump in on this topic since I > have lived in Louisiana and outside of Philadelphia where marsh rabbits > (muskrat) are marketed in season. Muskrat is one of the sweetest dark > meats > I have ever eaten. Which brings us as close to being on topic as I can > think > of: Muskrats eat shoots and roots, often the sweetest tenderest part of > any > plant. So I presume it is their eating habit that concentrates the local > minerals and sugars in their meat. > > I haven't tried nutria, but I know the Louisianans hate them for > destroying > sections of the swamps. The Cajuns in South LA pride themselves on eating > almost everything that moves, swims, flies or grows. I'm sure some of > those > restaurants back in the swamp can offer up some nutria if requested. > > Truth to tell, Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only > source > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are > (cinnamon, > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > molted ones are best). > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > Belgian in us. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:10 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > Ahaaa! I see that the Belgian/French weird-food-fetish is trickling down > in > North American cuisine ;-))) > Muskrat... I heard it tastes a little like rabbit. > > Bon appetit, Gene > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens FOSSILNUT@aol.com > Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2005 17:16 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > I do a lot of travellin to Louisiana, that must be a vartiation on Cajun > Nutria with Garlic Sauce. :-) > > When I moved to Delaware, I could not get used to the baskets of Muskrat > carcasses at the local farmers' market. These were the main ingredient in > a > local > delicacy. Fortunately they no longer are that popular as a food item here. > > Another local delicacy I learned to like before I learned what it was. > Snapper soup.... actually snapping turtle soup. Excellent with a little > sherry mixed > in. > > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > > > In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > Beware of my Cajun > skunk with garlic sauce...) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From dwest122 at comcast.net Sun Feb 13 23:58:45 2005 From: dwest122 at comcast.net (Dave West) Date: Sun Feb 13 23:58:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice References: <014c01c5124c$2031b470$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <004701c5126b$03445e20$6800a8c0@CPQ28298264587> Interesting. I suppose now we will begin to see cats wearing small black lights strapped to their heads? :-) DaveW ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice Did any one watch the program (I think on SCI.) Some lab has developed a strain of mice that have a fluoresing compoung in all their cells. They glow green under black lights. Their eyes, ears and tails were the brightst. If I remember correctly it was a program about top 100 scientific discoveries. James A. Rollins willows30@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 14 01:13:46 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 14 01:13:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice In-Reply-To: <004701c5126b$03445e20$6800a8c0@CPQ28298264587> Message-ID: >Interesting. I suppose now we will begin to see cats wearing small black >lights strapped to their heads? :-) >DaveW PRICELESS , Dave... This is Oscar material (ROFLMAO & TSPBLOA) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice Did any one watch the program (I think on SCI.) Some lab has developed a strain of mice that have a fluoresing compoung in all their cells. They glow green under black lights. Their eyes, ears and tails were the brightst. If I remember correctly it was a program about top 100 scientific discoveries. James A. Rollins willows30@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 14 02:15:27 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 14 02:15:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" with culinary drift In-Reply-To: <004001c51262$cc79da80$3a3d27c4@privatehome> Message-ID: Hi Horst, When I ask my son what he wants to eat on his birthday dinner, he always goes for the kangaroo. Springbok is good but I like antilope(don't know which kind) better. Crocodile is good too but it requires some imaginative coocking or it will taste plain instead of expensive ;-))) The most exotic thing I ever ate (consciously) was served to me on the birthday party of a Chinese friend of a friend of mine. The guy owned a Chinese restaurant in Antwerp and invited us both to some "real Chinese food". I didn't particulary care for the 100-year-old-egg but I was intrigued by a dish that looked like a transparent cabochon of about 10 inches in diameter with a black "phantom" in the center. The "cabochon" was cut in slices of about 1 cm thick. It looked like someting black in aspic. It tasted strong with a distinct pepper flavour. After my friend and I ate a slice, our host asked if we liked the jellyfish and if we wanted some more. I did but I did'nt see my friend again that night. True story folks! On topic even, considering the cabochon and the phantom... Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Horst Windisch Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 7:24 Aan: Ted@crystalgems.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Hi everybody, Seeing this subject has jumped from "rocks" to "food" i may as well add a few comments. A delicacy in Zimbabwe is "sundried Mopani worms". These are sold all alongside the roadside by locals and are apparently a delicacy. In South Africa I have eaten warthog already, which is quite a delicacy. Whilst in Anchorage(Alaska) I was treated to moose meat, caribou meat and bear meat. Moose and caribou taste similar to beef, whilst bear meat tastes like goat meat.In Namibia delicacies of course include Springbok, kudu and gemsbok meat. Smoked kudu meat tastes really superb. Regards, Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:23 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > Axel: > Ahhh muskrat tastes like chicken, nope! I'll jump in on this topic since I > have lived in Louisiana and outside of Philadelphia where marsh rabbits > (muskrat) are marketed in season. Muskrat is one of the sweetest dark > meats > I have ever eaten. Which brings us as close to being on topic as I can > think > of: Muskrats eat shoots and roots, often the sweetest tenderest part of > any > plant. So I presume it is their eating habit that concentrates the local > minerals and sugars in their meat. > > I haven't tried nutria, but I know the Louisianans hate them for > destroying > sections of the swamps. The Cajuns in South LA pride themselves on eating > almost everything that moves, swims, flies or grows. I'm sure some of > those > restaurants back in the swamp can offer up some nutria if requested. > > Truth to tell, Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only > source > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are > (cinnamon, > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > molted ones are best). > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > Belgian in us. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:10 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > Ahaaa! I see that the Belgian/French weird-food-fetish is trickling down > in > North American cuisine ;-))) > Muskrat... I heard it tastes a little like rabbit. > > Bon appetit, Gene > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens FOSSILNUT@aol.com > Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2005 17:16 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > I do a lot of travellin to Louisiana, that must be a vartiation on Cajun > Nutria with Garlic Sauce. :-) > > When I moved to Delaware, I could not get used to the baskets of Muskrat > carcasses at the local farmers' market. These were the main ingredient in > a > local > delicacy. Fortunately they no longer are that popular as a food item here. > > Another local delicacy I learned to like before I learned what it was. > Snapper soup.... actually snapping turtle soup. Excellent with a little > sherry mixed > in. > > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > > > In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > Beware of my Cajun > skunk with garlic sauce...) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 14 02:38:38 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 14 02:39:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to cultural foodtastes In-Reply-To: <005a01c51237$29c1dfc0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Jeanette, My grandfather (father's side) was fired from his position as postmaster for eating a cockchafer in plain sight of an "upper-class" lady who, how fashionable, fainted immediately. The man had been in Congo (later, from 1890 on, Belgian Congo) most of his life and he had picked up the taste for less ordinary edibles there. Most people who have forefathers in Congo inherited a mineral collection of museum quality... The copper and uranium deposits of Shaba and Shinkolobwe are legendary. All my grandfather brought with him was a craving for insects... Bad genes? Insects have a high protein content and are therefore regarded upon as best food in many cultures. Therefore it is wise to ride a motorcycle with your mouth closed. Riding with your mouth open can result in overweight and, if there's a strong headwind, occasionally even flatulence. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 2:48 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to cultural foodtastes The only ants I've tasted were chocolate ones, couldn't tell what the actual crunchy bodies tasted like. What kind of folks were those out collecting cicadas? And did they really eat them? We still are a melting pot, not sort of. Me small part Choctaw, large part English, the rest German, but no tendency to eat weird food....other than raw oysters. Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only source > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are (cinnamon, > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > molted ones are best). > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > Belgian in us. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tkrassmann at hotmail.com Mon Feb 14 04:46:56 2005 From: tkrassmann at hotmail.com (Thomas Krassmann) Date: Mon Feb 14 04:47:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hew features added at the Giant Crystal Project Site Message-ID: Hello from Bavaria Thank you for your feed back for the Giant Crystal Project and please continue to contribute relevant information. This website is as good as your contribution ! Please be informed that we added a giant crystal quiz and a new site about the giant beryl crystals of the Ascensao pegmatite in Portugal. Gl?ck Auf Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Tun Sie Ihrem Rechner ?was Gutes. MSN Hotmail mit McAfee? Anti-Virus. http://www.msn.de/email/antivirus/ Jetzt kostenlos anmelden! From kahako at verizon.net Mon Feb 14 10:07:07 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Feb 14 10:07:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice References: <014c01c5124c$2031b470$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <001701c512bf$ffda3070$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> The mice were cloned as a genetic breakthrough over 4 years ago at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. See: http://starbulletin.com/2001/02/06/news/story11.html Aloha, Kitty original message: Did any one watch the program (I think on SCI.) Some lab has developed a strain of mice that have a fluoresing compoung in all their cells. They glow green under black lights. Their eyes, ears and tails were the brightst. If I remember correctly it was a program about top 100 scientific discoveries. James A. Rollins From kahako at verizon.net Mon Feb 14 10:26:41 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Feb 14 10:26:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to culturalfoodtastes References: Message-ID: <002801c512c2$bc844e70$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> What's a cockchafer? Whatever the protein content, apparently insects don't contain much water...I once found some ants had gone after a few crumbs in our microwave, so I turned it on. The ants had no reaction whatsoever. Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to culturalfoodtastes > Jeanette, > > My grandfather (father's side) was fired from his position as postmaster > for > eating a cockchafer in plain sight of an "upper-class" lady who, how > fashionable, fainted immediately..... >Insects have a high protein content and are therefore regarded upon as best >food in many cultures. From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 12:00:53 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 12:00:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to cultural foodtastes Message-ID: <021420052000.639.421103750009EE2D0000027F2197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> LSHICTS!! :-) That's a good one. Jeanette > Jeanette, > > My grandfather (father's side) was fired from his position as postmaster for > eating a cockchafer in plain sight of an "upper-class" lady who, how > fashionable, fainted immediately. > The man had been in Congo (later, from 1890 on, Belgian Congo) most of his > life and he had picked up the taste for less ordinary edibles there. > Most people who have forefathers in Congo inherited a mineral collection of > museum quality... The copper and uranium deposits of Shaba and Shinkolobwe > are legendary. All my grandfather brought with him was a craving for > insects... > Bad genes? > > Insects have a high protein content and are therefore regarded upon as best > food in many cultures. Therefore it is wise to ride a motorcycle with your > mouth closed. Riding with your mouth open can result in overweight and, if > there's a strong headwind, occasionally even flatulence. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 2:48 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to > cultural foodtastes > > > The only ants I've tasted were chocolate ones, couldn't tell what the actual > crunchy bodies tasted like. > What kind of folks were those out collecting cicadas? And did they really > eat them? > > > We still are a melting pot, not sort of. > Me small part Choctaw, large part English, the rest German, but no tendency > to eat weird food....other than raw oysters. > > Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only > source > > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are > (cinnamon, > > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > > molted ones are best). > > > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > > Belgian in us. > > > > Ted Kowalski > > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 12:04:00 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 12:04:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" with culinary drift Message-ID: <021420052004.3270.4211042E000DF74B00000CC62197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> I'd probably try jellyfish before a cicada. Going back to licking my rocks... Jeanette > Hi Horst, > > When I ask my son what he wants to eat on his birthday dinner, he always > goes for the kangaroo. > Springbok is good but I like antilope(don't know which kind) better. > Crocodile is good too but it requires some imaginative coocking or it will > taste plain instead of expensive ;-))) > > The most exotic thing I ever ate (consciously) was served to me on the > birthday party of a Chinese friend of a friend of mine. The guy owned a > Chinese restaurant in Antwerp and invited us both to some "real Chinese > food". > I didn't particulary care for the 100-year-old-egg but I was intrigued by a > dish that looked like a transparent cabochon of about 10 inches in diameter > with a black "phantom" in the center. The "cabochon" was cut in slices of > about 1 cm thick. > It looked like someting black in aspic. It tasted strong with a distinct > pepper flavour. After my friend and I ate a slice, our host asked if we > liked the jellyfish and if we wanted some more. I did but I did'nt see my > friend again that night. > > True story folks! On topic even, considering the cabochon and the phantom... > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Horst Windisch > Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 7:24 > Aan: Ted@crystalgems.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > Hi everybody, > > Seeing this subject has jumped from "rocks" to "food" i may as well add a > few comments. > > A delicacy in Zimbabwe is "sundried Mopani worms". These are sold all > alongside the roadside by locals and are apparently a delicacy. In South > Africa I have eaten warthog already, which is quite a delicacy. Whilst in > Anchorage(Alaska) I was treated to moose meat, caribou meat and bear meat. > Moose and caribou taste similar to beef, whilst bear meat tastes like goat > meat.In Namibia delicacies of course include Springbok, kudu and gemsbok > meat. Smoked kudu meat tastes really superb. > > Regards, > Horst----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:23 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > Axel: > > Ahhh muskrat tastes like chicken, nope! I'll jump in on this topic since I > > have lived in Louisiana and outside of Philadelphia where marsh rabbits > > (muskrat) are marketed in season. Muskrat is one of the sweetest dark > > meats > > I have ever eaten. Which brings us as close to being on topic as I can > > think > > of: Muskrats eat shoots and roots, often the sweetest tenderest part of > > any > > plant. So I presume it is their eating habit that concentrates the local > > minerals and sugars in their meat. > > > > I haven't tried nutria, but I know the Louisianans hate them for > > destroying > > sections of the swamps. The Cajuns in South LA pride themselves on eating > > almost everything that moves, swims, flies or grows. I'm sure some of > > those > > restaurants back in the swamp can offer up some nutria if requested. > > > > Truth to tell, Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only > > source > > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are > > (cinnamon, > > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > > molted ones are best). > > > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > > Belgian in us. > > > > Ted Kowalski > > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:10 PM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > Ahaaa! I see that the Belgian/French weird-food-fetish is trickling down > > in > > North American cuisine ;-))) > > Muskrat... I heard it tastes a little like rabbit. > > > > Bon appetit, Gene > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens FOSSILNUT@aol.com > > Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2005 17:16 > > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > I do a lot of travellin to Louisiana, that must be a vartiation on Cajun > > Nutria with Garlic Sauce. :-) > > > > When I moved to Delaware, I could not get used to the baskets of Muskrat > > carcasses at the local farmers' market. These were the main ingredient in > > a > > local > > delicacy. Fortunately they no longer are that popular as a food item here. > > > > Another local delicacy I learned to like before I learned what it was. > > Snapper soup.... actually snapping turtle soup. Excellent with a little > > sherry mixed > > in. > > > > > > Gene Hartstein > > Newark, DE > > > > > > In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > > Beware of my Cajun > > skunk with garlic sauce...) > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 12:06:53 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 12:06:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice Message-ID: <021420052006.6353.421104DC00096D1A000018D12197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> OK, You tell me what TSPBLOA means and I'll tell you what LSHICTS is.. Jeanette > >Interesting. I suppose now we will begin to see cats wearing small black > >lights strapped to their heads? :-) > >DaveW > > PRICELESS , Dave... This is Oscar material (ROFLMAO & TSPBLOA) > > Axel > > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 14 13:50:39 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 14 13:50:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded toculturalfoodtastes In-Reply-To: <002801c512c2$bc844e70$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: >What's a cockchafer? A large beetle that flies out of his whatever in the month of May. I think "May bug" is also used. After my granddad died, their numbers have increased significantly. >Whatever the protein content, apparently insects don't contain much >water...I once found some ants had gone after a few crumbs in our microwave, >so I turned it on. The ants had no reaction whatsoever. Yes they do. I think the lack of reaction lies in the fact that the ants are smaller than the wavelength of the microwaves. A drop of water tat is smaller than 1 lambda will also survive. Cheers Kitty Axel From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 14 13:52:23 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 14 13:52:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to culturalfoodtastes In-Reply-To: <021420052000.639.421103750009EE2D0000027F2197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeanette, LSHICTS ??? Laughing so hard I could.... dare I ask what TS stands for??? Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens geenet2@mchsi.com Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 21:01 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to culturalfoodtastes LSHICTS!! :-) That's a good one. Jeanette > Jeanette, > > My grandfather (father's side) was fired from his position as postmaster for > eating a cockchafer in plain sight of an "upper-class" lady who, how > fashionable, fainted immediately. > The man had been in Congo (later, from 1890 on, Belgian Congo) most of his > life and he had picked up the taste for less ordinary edibles there. > Most people who have forefathers in Congo inherited a mineral collection of > museum quality... The copper and uranium deposits of Shaba and Shinkolobwe > are legendary. All my grandfather brought with him was a craving for > insects... > Bad genes? > > Insects have a high protein content and are therefore regarded upon as best > food in many cultures. Therefore it is wise to ride a motorcycle with your > mouth closed. Riding with your mouth open can result in overweight and, if > there's a strong headwind, occasionally even flatulence. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 2:48 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to > cultural foodtastes > > > The only ants I've tasted were chocolate ones, couldn't tell what the actual > crunchy bodies tasted like. > What kind of folks were those out collecting cicadas? And did they really > eat them? > > > We still are a melting pot, not sort of. > Me small part Choctaw, large part English, the rest German, but no tendency > to eat weird food....other than raw oysters. > > Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only > source > > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are > (cinnamon, > > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting cicadas > > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The freshly > > molted ones are best). > > > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have some > > Belgian in us. > > > > Ted Kowalski > > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From CrescentStoneINC at aol.com Mon Feb 14 14:06:12 2005 From: CrescentStoneINC at aol.com (CrescentStoneINC@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 14:06:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Happy Valentines Day from Crescent Stone Message-ID: <1a4.319b90be.2f427ad4@aol.com> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 16:54:26 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:54:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice References: Message-ID: <005e01c512f8$e60788d0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> OK, I'll bite...what is TSPBLOA? Trisodiumphosborlithoxamine? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice > >Interesting. I suppose now we will begin to see cats wearing small black >>lights strapped to their heads? :-) >>DaveW > > PRICELESS , Dave... This is Oscar material (ROFLMAO & TSPBLOA) > > Axel > > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 16:53:17 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:54:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded toculturalfoodtastes References: Message-ID: <001401c512f8$bcde45c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Laughing So Hard I Can't Type Straight! Which was true.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded toculturalfoodtastes > Hi Jeanette, > > LSHICTS ??? > Laughing so hard I could.... dare I ask what TS stands for??? > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens geenet2@mchsi.com > Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 21:01 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to > culturalfoodtastes > > > LSHICTS!! :-) > That's a good one. > Jeanette > > > > Jeanette, > > > > My grandfather (father's side) was fired from his position as postmaster > for > > eating a cockchafer in plain sight of an "upper-class" lady who, how > > fashionable, fainted immediately. > > The man had been in Congo (later, from 1890 on, Belgian Congo) most of his > > life and he had picked up the taste for less ordinary edibles there. > > Most people who have forefathers in Congo inherited a mineral collection > of > > museum quality... The copper and uranium deposits of Shaba and Shinkolobwe > > are legendary. All my grandfather brought with him was a craving for > > insects... > > Bad genes? > > > > Insects have a high protein content and are therefore regarded upon as > best > > food in many cultures. Therefore it is wise to ride a motorcycle with your > > mouth closed. Riding with your mouth open can result in overweight and, if > > there's a strong headwind, occasionally even flatulence. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > > Verzonden: maandag 14 februari 2005 2:48 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" downgraded to > > cultural foodtastes > > > > > > The only ants I've tasted were chocolate ones, couldn't tell what the > actual > > crunchy bodies tasted like. > > What kind of folks were those out collecting cicadas? And did they really > > eat them? > > > > > > We still are a melting pot, not sort of. > > Me small part Choctaw, large part English, the rest German, but no > tendency > > to eat weird food....other than raw oysters. > > > > Americans run a huge gamut of gastronomic preferences. From > > > those people who believe food chains and supermarkets to be the only > > source > > > of food to those who can tell you what flavor the local ants are > > (cinnamon, > > > vanilla, peppery). I know several folks who went around collecting > cicadas > > > last year during their 17 year emergence in the Northeast USA (The > freshly > > > molted ones are best). > > > > > > But, since we are a melting pot of sorts, maybe we Americans all have > some > > > Belgian in us. > > > > > > Ted Kowalski > > > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From willows30 at alltel.net Mon Feb 14 18:10:32 2005 From: willows30 at alltel.net (James A. Rollins) Date: Mon Feb 14 18:09:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] cultural food tastes Message-ID: <003301c51303$87870690$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Nothing beats good old "possum and sweet potaters". James A. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From MCGINNISG at aol.com Mon Feb 14 18:41:42 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 18:41:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spammer Message-ID: <148.3e559bbe.2f42bb66@aol.com> Have others been repeatedly spammed by _rcarlini@aliceposta.it_ (mailto:rcarlini@aliceposta.it) ??? Apparently they get their spam list off the rockhounds website. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Feb 14 16:48:47 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Feb 14 18:49:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spammer References: <148.3e559bbe.2f42bb66@aol.com> Message-ID: <004f01c512f8$214226e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> I've gotten two posts in the past week. I didn't consider it spam though as I enjoyed the web site and hope to go to Italy soon. John ----- Original Message ----- From: > Have others been repeatedly spammed by _rcarlini@aliceposta.it_ > (mailto:rcarlini@aliceposta.it) ??? > Apparently they get their spam list off the rockhounds website. From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 18:57:08 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Mon Feb 14 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] cultural food tastes References: <003301c51303$87870690$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <00b601c5130a$0a548880$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Warsaw, FL USA has an annual Possum Festival and they ARE served with sweet 'taters. Opp, AL has or had fried rattlesnake at the annual rodeo for the rattlers. And a good baked raccoon with lots of black pepper and trimmings is hard to beat. Fried tree rodents with biscuits & cane syrup... Squid, kimchee, octopus, very fresh raw tuna, lots of raw oysters, fried grasshoppers, choc covered ants, clams, mussels, eel, gator, bear, elk and lots of jerkies... I've tried all these and lots more, but not Phillipine eggs with fully formed chicks. Nor bitin' the head off a live chicken... Glenn ---- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Rollins" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] cultural food tastes Nothing beats good old "possum and sweet potaters". James A. Rollins willows@alltel.net From jr50wv at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 19:41:41 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Mon Feb 14 19:41:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi Message-ID: <20050215034141.71724.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: I was up in Maine a couple of years ago, and the literature I studied preping for the trip was full of discussions of giant beryl crystals, meters long. I've seen some pretty big tourmaline xtals, too, from Maine, and garnets and things. I'll look in the books and send some quotes and mine names, and miner names and dates and all. There's the topical rockhound paragraph! I live in rural West Virginia, south of Charleston, the capital city, about 25 miles. Very rural, lots of creeks with herons, piliated woodpeckers, turkey, the works. But no muskrats on the ridges, not even on the benchs below the ridges, where we live. A couple of years ago our dogs (3 rescue dogs, a 14 yo part airdale, a 6 or 7 year old part pit bull part lab of some sort and a 4 yo black fuzzy dog, 35 pounds sahved and 50 lbs with his hair!!!) left bits of something on the back porch late one night. In the fall, sometimes it's what we grotescely call "bambi bits", but this was different... Investigating the remains, the tail was strong and scaly, and the hind feet were clawed and webbed, but there was a lot of hair. That was all that was left, tail and hind legs and ehough to hold them together - all I could think of was muskrat. ?But we live up on the hill, by a little ephemeral stream that runs when it rains! The nearest tiny creek is 300 yards down the hill past another house with 6 dogs. I don't think I want any grilled muskrat, but I'd be willing to eat it along with someone who believed they knew how to prepare one in a tasty manner. But sushi, now, that's some good stuff. I don't much like Octopus, it's crunchy, and it gets bigger and crunchier the longer you work with it, and I've never tried umi, sea urchin roe, but I like most everything else. I do draw the line at arachnoids and insects in general, maybe unless I need protein a WHOLE lot. But it's interesting to hear about gramps popping a big one and making a Victorian lady faint, pretty funny, folks!! Thanks for keeping it interesting. JR in WV, USA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 19:53:06 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 14 19:54:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi References: <20050215034141.71724.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c51311$de34c820$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> We're just keeping the list interesting until most of the guys get back from the Tucson show with lots to report. Otherwise....you ain't had sushi until you've had sashimi (tuna) still kicking not five minutes out of the ocean. We had that rare treat courtesy of a couple of young men fishing from the cliffs on South Point, Big Island, Hawaii. To me, eel is that way, the longer you chew the bigger and chewier it gets. I pass on eel now. Jeanette > > But sushi, now, that's some good stuff. I don't much > like Octopus, it's crunchy, and it gets bigger and > crunchier the longer you work with it, and I've never > tried umi, sea urchin roe, but I like most everything > else. > > I do draw the line at arachnoids and insects in > general, maybe unless I need protein a WHOLE lot. But > it's interesting to hear about gramps popping a big > one and making a Victorian lady faint, pretty funny, > folks!! > > Thanks for keeping it interesting. > > JR in WV, USA > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Mon Feb 14 19:58:04 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn's Mail) Date: Mon Feb 14 19:58:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi References: <20050215034141.71724.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010101c51312$8d859c50$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> "Investigating the remains, the tail was strong and scaly, and the hind feet were clawed and webbed, but there was a lot of hair." Armadillo maybe. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi From nmartin at bbn.com Mon Feb 14 20:48:39 2005 From: nmartin at bbn.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Mon Feb 14 20:48:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Graves Mountain Collecting Dates Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050214233959.01fcea88@po2.bbn.com> Are there any EFMLS-affiliated mineral club collecting trips to Graves Mountain in Georgia scheduled for March or April of this year? Living in the frozen Northeast has me dreaming about collecting in warmer climates. There is always the desert southwest, but it would be nice to stay a bit closer to home and I have enough frequent flyer miles on Delta to get me there and back. Nate Martin Lexington, MA From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 15 00:59:42 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 15 00:59:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice In-Reply-To: <005e01c512f8$e60788d0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: Turning Slighly Purple By Lack Of Air... There you go... see, nothing smutty about it ;-))))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn's Mail Verzonden: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 1:54 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice OK, I'll bite...what is TSPBLOA? Trisodiumphosborlithoxamine? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fluoresent mice > >Interesting. I suppose now we will begin to see cats wearing small black >>lights strapped to their heads? :-) >>DaveW > > PRICELESS , Dave... This is Oscar material (ROFLMAO & TSPBLOA) > > Axel > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Feb 15 10:15:11 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Tue Feb 15 10:16:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi In-Reply-To: <010101c51312$8d859c50$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <004901c5138a$4defc160$0300a8c0@gametime> Furry armadillos? -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn's Mail Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:58 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi "Investigating the remains, the tail was strong and scaly, and the hind feet were clawed and webbed, but there was a lot of hair." Armadillo maybe. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Crystals, muskrat, and sushi _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From digem at plateautel.net Tue Feb 15 11:34:17 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Feb 15 11:23:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Location Identification References: <6d.3e62ceff.2f37c6e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <42124EB9.5060909@plateautel.net> If it is Clay Center Fluorite, it is not only fluorescent but also phosphorescent. I am friends with a few people that have bought out several collections of this material. Next time you're down this way I can compare it to what I have if you would like. Allison JScully216@aol.com wrote: > >Hi, Pete > >As always with fluorite I had a heck of a timegetting a half way decent >photo. The color is accurate while the pic is a bit fuzzy. > >Thanks > >John Scully > > >In a message dated 2/6/2005 10:30:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, >rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu writes: > >I have brown fluorite from at least 5 localities in Ohio. Since Clay Center > material was apparently available at Tucson, this is the most likely >locality. Fluorescence is not any help - all the brown Ohio fluorite I know of >fluoresces brown. > >What is the matrix like? How dark brown is the fluorite? How strong is the >irridescence? How cleanly formed are the cubes (i.e. nice flat faces, or >faces with irregular growth in the centers)? Strongly irridescent dark brown >fluorite is typically from Bellevue, from a quarry no longer in operation. > >John, if you can send me a digital image, I might be able to make a more >informed guess.... But note that I'll be away all next week. > >Pete Richards > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/jpeg >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From digem at plateautel.net Tue Feb 15 12:02:04 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Feb 15 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson show report References: <420670F1.9137.150F7DA@localhost> Message-ID: <4212553C.7060601@plateautel.net> Hey Paul, Nice report! When were you there? Wayne and I were there from the 4th until the 13th. Sorry we missed you. We also visited with John & Gloria Cornish. They had some pretty nice specimens in their room. I'm sure glad we took the time to meet them, especially since they pictured me as an 80-90 year old lady. :-D Anyway, the show was quite interesting/confusing this year with all the hotel changes and new shows but all in all it was great. I didn't hear about the car-jacking incident but I'll have to ask a few a of our friends that do the GJX. Allison diente@prismnet.com wrote: >I returned early this morning from Tucson and thought I'd give a report. > >Early in the week there was much excitement. (This story is one of several variants I heard). >Seems there was a car jacking, and high speed chase. Somehow the driver (jacker) was >shot (don't know by whom), and the passenger was trying to drive from the passenger seat. >The car crashed into the GJX building/tent. The way the story goes, the car just barely >missed some propane tanks, and wedged into the building....with the car wheels spinning in >place. This filled the GJX with smoke. As the police approached, one of the tires blew out, >causing the police to hit the ground. > >Now I did not verify this. It was just what I heard people talking about. Besides, it is much >more fun to pass along sensationalistic stories. If the car had hit the propane tank, one >could have mined gemstones all over the downtown area. > >Anyway, on to the show. As some of you may know, there were some changes this year. >The free shuttles were not running from the convention center as in the past. The hub >moved to about two blocks west of I-10 on Congress Street. Also, the Arizona Mineral and >Fossil show had different host hotels. The Ramada Inn on Oracle that was the "fossil >mecca" in the past had been sold, and did not participate this year. Many of the dealers >moved to the Ramada Inn west of the interstate. However many other dealers scattered to >other places. > >The Executive Inn was no longer part the the Arizona Mineral and Fossil show. >Many of those dealers relocated to the Clarion Inn, and to the Smugglers Inn. Both of these >motels were far east of the downtown area, and required catching a different shuttle. In the >past one shuttle travelled to all of the AM&FS locations. The Executive Inn put on its own >show this year. > >Many of the dealers I talked with thought there were less browsers, and less people >purchasing. This was especially the sentiment at the Smugglers, as it was the farthest >away. However this hotel was in a very pretty setting. There were many Chinese and >Russian dealers, and they were willing to make good deals. > >I found a very nice black capped Kashmiri tourmaline at J.R. Mineralien at the Inn Suites. >There was still one very nice one on matrix left. This dealer also has top quality aquamarine >and tourmalines, and other Afghan material. I also stopped by and visited with John >Cornish at the I.S. It is nice to put a face together with a name of someone who posts on >this list. > >Bulgarian Minerals at the Executive Inn had nice nailhead calcites that are fluorescent. This >dealer also has octahedral diamond crystals that range is price from $70-120 or so. > >Peter Stazcho, a Czech dealer at the Clarion had something very interesting. It seems >some 80 year old water pipes were replaced and found to be filled with aragonite. He had >cut and polished thin slices of the pipe and aragonite. These had very nice banding in the >mineral "scale" that had built up in the pipe. He also had some antique boxes that had been >inlaid with theis material, long ago. > >At the Smugglers Inn, Deccan Minerals had a very nice selection of Indian zeolites. Nikhil >had a few pieces of purple botryoidal fluorite. Now the yellow variety is fairly common.....or at >least can be seen at most of the Indian dealer's showrooms, but I did not see the purple >variety at any other place; and I looked at many different dealers. He also had some very >nice calcite specimens. I also visited with Mustafain Kazmi of Pathan Gem and Minerals. >He had written an article for the Pakistan issue of "Extra Lapis", and had a good selection of >Pakistani minerals. > >This report is certainly not all inclusive. It is just a few of the dealers I visited, and minerals I >saw that were somewhat different than the usual array. If you want to get away from the >hotel shows, it is always an adventure to navigate the tents between the Days Inn and the >Pueblo Inn. I found some yellow apatite crystals on highly fluorescent matrix, from Durango >Minerals in one of the narrow corridors between tents. There are also more arts and crafts, >and beads, and many other variations here. > >We revisted our favorite sushi restaurant.....Sushi Cho.....why there is great sushi in the >desert is a mystery to me. We also discovered a great little taco place on Grant >Rd.......Taqueria Tarachi. It is a "hole in the wall" place located next to a tattoo parlor. >However it had great "tacos al pastor" and "barbacoa tacos" with an artful presentation that >was inconsistent with the spartan d?cor. You must be adventurous, though. > >Please share any of your Tucson experiences. > >Paul Bordovsky >Austin, TX > >I > >I > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From kahako at verizon.net Tue Feb 15 14:24:22 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Feb 15 14:24:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] name database Message-ID: <002601c513ad$1c41c730$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Someone forwarded the following site to me and I thought it was an impressive interactive way to represent a complex database. It's fun to play with, and you can make it rockhound related by putting in names like "Beryl," "Jade," and "Stone." http://babynamewizard.com/namevoyager/lnv0105.html Aloha, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From earlrock at earthlink.net Tue Feb 15 16:52:59 2005 From: earlrock at earthlink.net (Earl) Date: Tue Feb 15 16:53:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Gathering of Micromounters Message-ID: <00b201c513c1$dce8b020$c480fea9@earlrock> Greetings to the rockhounds at Drizzle. The final version of the Winter Gathering of Micromounters webpage with updated program schedule: http://home.earthlink.net/~earlrock/wintermicro/index.html regards, Earl From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Tue Feb 15 19:49:13 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Tue Feb 15 19:49:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Message-ID: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> I'm too impatient to wait for a freeze-thaw on concretions or geodes. I use a mason's brick hammer with a 3-pound sledge hammer and score the rock across the face or all the way around until it cracks, which it always does (sometimes not the way I would like). This is obviously a little more work but the rewards are much quicker. Mark > [Original Message] > From: John Siebel > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 2/9/2005 5:02:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock > > Tim, Gene, > > I actually tried the freeze/thaw method when we lived in Portland. As you > know, it seldom gets cold enough there so I used my (tada!) freezer. I would > soak them in warm water then in and out of the freezer every few weeks. > Didn't have much luck with that (call me impatient) so I found that a quick, > judicious whack with a hammer usually opened them up nicely. > > I have also found some nice little fossils seeding the "mudballs". Thanks > for leaving them Tim! :) > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > > > Congratulations, you found the freeze-thaw-freeze method of cracking crab > > concretions. Almost all the flattened, ovoid (as opposed to spherical, or > > nearly so, and cylindrical) concretions from K-M Mtn. are crabs (and I say > > almost just to include the possibility that one isn't - I have never > > collected a blank, flattened concretion from there). Most "in-the-know" > > collectors there leave the round "mudballs" in the ditch for "passers-by > > bait" - it keeps them off the good spots :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From xossfs at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 20:15:03 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Tue Feb 15 20:15:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Graves Mountain Collecting Dates In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050214233959.01fcea88@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <20050216041503.18745.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Check the Georgia Mineral Society website (google it). They go there most years. --- "Nathan C. Martin II" wrote: > Are there any EFMLS-affiliated mineral club > collecting trips to Graves > Mountain in Georgia scheduled for March or April of > this year? > Living in the frozen Northeast has me dreaming about > collecting in warmer > climates. There is always the desert southwest, but > it would be nice to > stay a bit closer to home and I have enough frequent > flyer miles on Delta > to get me there and back. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ===== Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 15 20:55:50 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 15 20:49:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> Mark, When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. Open up the vise and tape the two triangle files to the faces, a flat side of a file to the vise face. It helps if the files point in opposite directions so their tapers offset each other. Center them along the faces so their pointed edges line up and meet. You are going to use these two tool steel edges to split a rock on the line/plane between them. A vise can apply a lot of pressure -- a rock can be very tough; trying to split a rock thicker (in any dimension between the edges) than 1/2 the width of the vise face could break a vise (been there, done that...more than once; figure is by trial and error -- I have not broken one at this limit yet); YMMV (your mileage may vary). Wear eye protection. Splitting rock often propels shards. Be prepared because the two sides of the split rock are liable to take off up and down. (wrap the vise and rock in a towel). You might need/want to add a two or three foot length of pipe over the vise handle to get easy leverage (that can be deceiving and break your vise). Pounding on the handle with a hammer to tighten it also can help break a stubborn rock. My experience is that about 5% of rocks fail to break on the desired line, and about 10% crumble along the break line about half way and then break. 5% are just too tough to break and you need to know when to give up or you will break a vise. The rest are well behaved and break as expected. Don't say I didn't warn you that you can break a vise trying this. But it works most of the time, and you might want to consider trying it. Kreigh Mark Easterbrook wrote: > > I'm too impatient to wait for a freeze-thaw on concretions or geodes. I > use a mason's brick hammer with a 3-pound sledge hammer and score the rock > across the face or all the way around until it cracks, which it always does > (sometimes not the way I would like). This is obviously a little more work > but the rewards are much quicker. > > Mark > > > [Original Message] > > From: John Siebel > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > > Date: 2/9/2005 5:02:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock > > > > Tim, Gene, > > > > I actually tried the freeze/thaw method when we lived in Portland. As you > > know, it seldom gets cold enough there so I used my (tada!) freezer. I > would > > soak them in warm water then in and out of the freezer every few weeks. > > Didn't have much luck with that (call me impatient) so I found that a > quick, > > judicious whack with a hammer usually opened them up nicely. > > > > I have also found some nice little fossils seeding the "mudballs". Thanks > > for leaving them Tim! :) > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Fisher" > > > > > Congratulations, you found the freeze-thaw-freeze method of cracking > crab > > > concretions. Almost all the flattened, ovoid (as opposed to spherical, > or > > > nearly so, and cylindrical) concretions from K-M Mtn. are crabs (and I > say > > > almost just to include the possibility that one isn't - I have never > > > collected a blank, flattened concretion from there). Most "in-the-know" > > > collectors there leave the round "mudballs" in the ditch for "passers-by > > > bait" - it keeps them off the good spots :) > > > From Bozo5 at aol.com Tue Feb 15 21:11:23 2005 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 21:11:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Message-ID: <65.3f115504.2f442ffb@aol.com> I'll bet it works well for preforming cabs from 1/4 inch agate slabs. Probably faster than a trim saw. It would be cheaper too since the files wouldn't wear out like a diamond blade. Of course those 5%s would build up pretty fast breaking around an oval. (It reminds me of the old tootsie pop commercial. "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? Lick... Lick... Lick... CRUNCH... Three!") Flint In a message dated 2/15/2005 8:49:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: Open up the vise and tape the two triangle files to the faces, a flat side of a file to the vise face. It helps if the files point in opposite directions so their tapers offset each other. Center them along the faces so their pointed edges line up and meet. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Wed Feb 16 05:31:10 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Wed Feb 16 05:31:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue gun glue Message-ID: <1108560670.42134b1e35242@my2.dal.ca> Hi All, Try saying that subject line ten times quickly... I see more and more smaller specimens attached to plastic bases with glue gun glue (perhaps there is another name for it?). I even have one specimen at home attached that way. Still, I don't like the look of the glue, and was wondering how familair people are with removing it. I would rather not experiment with my specimen. I have heard that it can be removed by soaking the specimen in hot water. How hot should the water be? Near boiling? And does the glue come off cleanly, or does it stick to the mineral? Just curious. Thanks in advance, Ronnie Van Dommelen From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 06:19:47 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Feb 16 06:19:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20050216141947.9509.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> When using a trimmer, as I do, or a vise, as described by Kreigh, if the rock doesn't split right away, leave it under pressure in the trimmer or vise. It will often crack after being under pressure for a few minutes, or up to a half hour. Jim --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Mark, > > When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming > specimens, I use a > 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle > files, and some tape. > > Open up the vise and tape the two triangle files to > the faces, a flat > side of a file to the vise face. It helps if the > files point in opposite > directions so their tapers offset each other. Center > them along the > faces so their pointed edges line up and meet. > > You are going to use these two tool steel edges to > split a rock on the > line/plane between them. A vise can apply a lot of > pressure -- a rock > can be very tough; trying to split a rock thicker > (in any dimension > between the edges) than 1/2 the width of the vise > face could break a > vise (been there, done that...more than once; figure > is by trial and > error -- I have not broken one at this limit yet); > YMMV (your mileage > may vary). > > Wear eye protection. Splitting rock often propels > shards. Be prepared > because the two sides of the split rock are liable > to take off up and > down. (wrap the vise and rock in a towel). > > You might need/want to add a two or three foot > length of pipe over the > vise handle to get easy leverage (that can be > deceiving and break your > vise). Pounding on the handle with a hammer to > tighten it also can help > break a stubborn rock. > > My experience is that about 5% of rocks fail to > break on the desired > line, and about 10% crumble along the break line > about half way and then > break. 5% are just too tough to break and you need > to know when to give > up or you will break a vise. The rest are well > behaved and break as > expected. > > Don't say I didn't warn you that you can break a > vise trying this. But > it works most of the time, and you might want to > consider trying it. > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Mark Easterbrook wrote: > > > > I'm too impatient to wait for a freeze-thaw on > concretions or geodes. I > > use a mason's brick hammer with a 3-pound sledge > hammer and score the rock > > across the face or all the way around until it > cracks, which it always does > > (sometimes not the way I would like). This is > obviously a little more work > > but the rewards are much quicker. > > > > Mark > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: John Siebel > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors > > > > > Date: 2/9/2005 5:02:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock > > > > > > Tim, Gene, > > > > > > I actually tried the freeze/thaw method when we > lived in Portland. As you > > > know, it seldom gets cold enough there so I used > my (tada!) freezer. I > > would > > > soak them in warm water then in and out of the > freezer every few weeks. > > > Didn't have much luck with that (call me > impatient) so I found that a > > quick, > > > judicious whack with a hammer usually opened > them up nicely. > > > > > > I have also found some nice little fossils > seeding the "mudballs". Thanks > > > for leaving them Tim! :) > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Fisher" > > > > > > > Congratulations, you found the > freeze-thaw-freeze method of cracking > > crab > > > > concretions. Almost all the flattened, ovoid > (as opposed to spherical, > > or > > > > nearly so, and cylindrical) concretions from > K-M Mtn. are crabs (and I > > say > > > > almost just to include the possibility that > one isn't - I have never > > > > collected a blank, flattened concretion from > there). Most "in-the-know" > > > > collectors there leave the round "mudballs" in > the ditch for "passers-by > > > > bait" - it keeps them off the good spots :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From volgems at icx.net Wed Feb 16 06:58:38 2005 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Wed Feb 16 06:58:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue gun glue Message-ID: <5501123.1108565918988.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Ronnie, Hot glue is a "neat" way of mounting many specimens. Care does need to be taken in picking the best hot glue. Most craft stores (and even WalMart!) have LOW temperature HOT glue! It is much better than the higher temp glues as there is less danger of thermal shock to the specimen. Care does need to be taken when using these glues. Is the specimen heat sensitive. If so, don't even risk using hot glue for mounting. Is the material porous? If so, it is probably not a good candidate for hot glue mounting as it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to remove completely. Removing a speimen that has been hot glue mounted ... one method that I have found to be effective is to use a drafting lamp. These usually now have long, high intensity lamps. The large, flat top of the lamp makes an ideal surface on which to place the mounted specimen. KEEPING AN EYE on it, wait for the glue to soften. With a little experience you will learn the "ideal" time to remove the specimen and peal off the glue. On non-porous specimens, it will come off cleanly. On others, a dental pick does wonders. Do be careful with top-heavy specimens as the glue starts to soften. They will tip over! I seldom mount specimens that I'm going to sell using hot glue. Often specimens that I purchase to resell are already mounted this way. For those, I do not un-mount them. I leave that to the customer. Personally, I like the hot glue mounted speimens IF they were done properly. Hope this helps.... John Teague Vounteer Gems Knoxville, Tennessee http://www.VolunteerGems.com -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Van Dommelen Sent: Feb 16, 2005 8:31 AM To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue gun glue Hi All, Try saying that subject line ten times quickly... I see more and more smaller specimens attached to plastic bases with glue gun glue (perhaps there is another name for it?). I even have one specimen at home attached that way. Still, I don't like the look of the glue, and was wondering how familair people are with removing it. I would rather not experiment with my specimen. I have heard that it can be removed by soaking the specimen in hot water. How hot should the water be? Near boiling? And does the glue come off cleanly, or does it stick to the mineral? Just curious. Thanks in advance, Ronnie Van Dommelen _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Feb 16 12:06:08 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Feb 16 12:06:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Message-ID: <021620052006.10044.4213A7AF000967200000273C215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi, Jeanette & the List, I second just about everything I read here about "druzy", from Drusy Don and all the rest. I recall that there was a thread about this same topic a while (a year or two ago?) on the, and I wrote a longish reply then which I think at least one club reprinted in their newsletter. As has been said, "drusy" is the proper spelling and use (as a adjective), and the new-age-ey jewelry types picked up on it as "druzy" to use as a noun for anything that has a drusy coating on a solid (mountable as wearable jewelry) matrix. Just one more thing to give all us purists something else to go "tsk, tsk" about. Yes, like "crystal". Which leads me to a P.S., having just (like so many others) returned from Tucson, in addition to the thick Tucson Show Guide published & distributed free by Colored Stone, I also picked up, as I often do, just to see what's in it, a copy of the much thinner "Metaphysical Guide to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows". Aside from the fact that I do have a few friends who are at least mildly "in to" this sort of thing (and perhaps that 50 years from now it may be a valuable collectors item?), well, if nothing else it helps tell you what people mean by some of the odd names you run into. (I'm really not trying to put anyone down here, honest, so please no one be offended, no matter what you think minerals are capable of.) It seems that natural and synthetic stones can be equally prized or praised for their "metaphysical" properties; and in the glossary (with pictures) of stone names that appears in that issue, one can read about such things as Aqua Aura Quartz (that's a trade name I've seen for many years for material in Tucson and elsewhere), Angel Aura Quartz, Aqua Lemuria, and so on and on. I wonder who decided that Beryllonite has mystical properites--that's a pretty uncommon mineral (sodium beryllium phosphate). But my favorite among these--and I checked, the description doesn't seem to have changed much from what the previous year's volume said, is "Azeztulite" (come again?), of which they say, "... a form of quartz with unusually high vibrational energies. It was originally discovered in North Carolina around 1976 but lay dormant in a rockhound's garage for over twenty-five years. ..." cheers, Pete -------------- Original message from "Jeanette Wimpee" : -------------- > Makes sense to me! And up til now, I've seen both spellings, but now I know > which is correct! > Jeanette Drusy Wimpee > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > I absolutely agree. It should be a druse of something, or drusy > something. > > > > Kitty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don H" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" > > > > > > > Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > > >> Druse is a noun, meaning a crust of small crystals. > > > > > > Oh yes, that's right--but I still think the user needs to describe a > druse > > > of what, like "a druse of quartz on chalcedony." For example, you'll > see > > > ads stating "I sell cabs of chrysocolla, azurite, drusy, ..." That still > > > begs the question, "drusy what?" Or might I still be wrong? > > > > > > Maybe this could be a subject for John White's "Get It Right" column in > > > Rocks & Minerals; might take his mind off his nomenclature woes. > > > > > > > > > Drusy Don > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Feb 16 12:55:35 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Feb 16 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] name database Message-ID: <021620052055.3670.4213B34600090AE200000E56215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Dear Kitty, Thanks a lot for sharing that "baby names" website, it's really fascinating (an interesting look at a reflection of our culture), and I've always been curious about where to find such data tabulated, and the graphical way they did this is just great. Among the "stone" names, I see that Beryl has been on its way out, but Jade was coming "in" (as was Stone, and, interestingly, "Diamond" too. "Crystal" peaked in the 70s and 80s. And I see that of course there's Rhoda (also on its way out), but no "Rhodo"s make it to the list! Pete -------------- Original message from "Kitty & Bill Heacox" : -------------- > Someone forwarded the following site to me and I thought it was an impressive > interactive way to represent a complex database. It's fun to play with, and you > can make it rockhound related by putting in names like "Beryl," "Jade," and > "Stone." > > http://babynamewizard.com/namevoyager/lnv0105.html > > Aloha, Kitty > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Feb 16 13:00:11 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Feb 16 13:00:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] name database, P.S. Message-ID: <021620052100.8083.4213B45A000C8F2C00001F93215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Darn, I meant to add to what I wrote here... It would be interesting to have a similar tabulation of the frequency that mineral names have been used in mineral magazines/articles/ads etc., over the decades; to show when certain minerals became more or less popular. Aside from newly discovered minerals, I'm sure that the use of some of the names would correlate with when major localities producing those minerals became prominent as more material was found or went on the market. Pete -------------- Original message from "Kitty & Bill Heacox" : -------------- > Someone forwarded the following site to me and I thought it was an impressive > interactive way to represent a complex database. It's fun to play with, and you > can make it rockhound related by putting in names like "Beryl," "Jade," and > "Stone." > > http://babynamewizard.com/namevoyager/lnv0105.html > > Aloha, Kitty > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapadary at aol.com Wed Feb 16 13:08:38 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] vibrational energy Message-ID: <20.3ec049d6.2f451056@aol.com> In a message dated 2/16/2005 12:06:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pjmodreski@att.net writes: But my favorite among these--and I checked, the description doesn't seem to have changed much from what the previous year's volume said, is "Azeztulite" (come again?), of which they say, "... a form of quartz with unusually high vibrational energies. It was originally discovered in North Carolina around 1976 but lay dormant in a rockhound's garage for over twenty-five years. ..." Pete, I've got about a ton of stuff laying dormant in my backyard. Next year we can haul that stuff down to Tucson and sell it for a fortune -- if you have a truck. It's called "Leverite" now but the vibrational energies are so high we could change the name of it "Wilsonite" -- after the Beach Boy musician and songwriter, Brian Wilson -- who penned the immortal words, "I'm picking up good vibrations. She's giving me excitations." She refers to the rocks, of course. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 16 15:21:13 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:12:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue gun glue References: <1108560670.42134b1e35242@my2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <4213D33B.4C0F@Tomaszewski.net> Near boiling water works to soften the stuff. The heat from a hair dryer will also work if your specimens don't like water. I've also set them in front of a floodlight (just a few inches). Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > > Hi All, > > Try saying that subject line ten times quickly... > > I see more and more smaller specimens attached to plastic bases with glue gun > glue (perhaps there is another name for it?). I even have one specimen at home > attached that way. Still, I don't like the look of the glue, and was wondering > how familair people are with removing it. I would rather not experiment with > my specimen. I have heard that it can be removed by soaking the specimen in > hot water. How hot should the water be? Near boiling? And does the glue come > off cleanly, or does it stick to the mineral? Just curious. > > Thanks in advance, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > From morningstar at att.net Wed Feb 16 15:32:41 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:28:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4213D819.7000209@att.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Mark, > > When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of stress. Don From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Wed Feb 16 15:34:08 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:34:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <4213D819.7000209@att.net> Message-ID: <200502162334.j1GNYNtI029399@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I've been thinking of doing that for some time... A buddy of mine who's a welder said he'd help me out. Sounds like a when-the-snow-melts job. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:33 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Mark, > > > > When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > > 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and > some tape. > > Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to > make a splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty > sturdy jacks at reasonable prices. I wonder if they will > hold up under that kind of stress. > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tim at orerockon.com Wed Feb 16 15:37:09 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:37:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock In-Reply-To: <4213D819.7000209@att.net> References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> <4213D819.7000209@att.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, albeit in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split or that I don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a petrified log). They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much force to the handle as I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >>Mark, >>When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a >>'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. > >Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a >splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at >reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of stress. > >Don Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 16 16:10:27 2005 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:10:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> <4213D819.7000209@att.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <4213E0F3.30408@xs4all.nl> The same monster Frank created??: http://www.strahlen.org/overig/krakers.htm Tim Fisher wrote: > I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, > albeit in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split > or that I don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a > petrified log). They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much > force to the handle as I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) > > At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > >> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a >>> 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. >> >> >> Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a >> splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at >> reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of >> stress. >> >> Don > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 16 14:15:23 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:15:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net><4213D819.7000209@att.net><6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> <4213E0F3.30408@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001201c51475$07570600$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Gladwell had one similar except it had a screw on top to tighten up the rock before jacking. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > The same monster Frank created??: > > http://www.strahlen.org/overig/krakers.htm From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Feb 16 16:42:18 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:42:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net><4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> <4213D819.7000209@att.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <005301c51489$88d89ea0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Anyone try a hydraulic log splitter? Granted, they would have to be modified to split a rock because the press stops too far from the wedge. On the otherhand, they are so expensive who would want to risk ruining one? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock >I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, albeit >in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split or that I >don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a petrified log). >They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much force to the handle as >I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) > > At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > >>Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >>>Mark, >>>When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a >>>'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. >> >>Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a splitter? >>When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at reasonable >>prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of stress. >> >>Don > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From murowchickj at umkc.edu Wed Feb 16 16:43:09 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (J B Murowchick) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:43:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rock splitters (ex Cool yard rock) In-Reply-To: <4213D819.7000209@att.net> Message-ID: There are medium to large (8" capacity) hydraulic splitters available. I think any competent welder could put one together for you. We have one in our department that has a bottle jack mounted on a steel base. I really need to go downstairs and look at it, but I'll describe it from the best of my memory (which is fading fast). Two vertical girders are welded on either side of the jack about 12 inches apart, and a heavy steel cross piece is welded across the top. The piston of the jack fits into a cup welded on the underside of a 1"-thick steel platform with a 3-4" long chisel blade set into a holder on the plate above the piston. The chisel is locked in place with set screws so it can be replaced. A matching chisel is fixed in a similar holder on the underside of the upper crosspiece (there might be another crosspiece lower down to hold the upper chisel, possibly height-adjustable--I'll check). The specimen is placed between the chisels and the jack pumped until the specimen is held in place. Then we place a heavy screen cover over the whole apparatus with just the jack handle sticking out (the shrapnel will easily draw blood--trust me, I know). We start pumping the jack handle until either something gives or we chicken out. Anything larger than three inches usually lets go with a bang. For smaller specimens (up to 2 inches), I have a similar device that is driven by a large screw from the top. The chisel tips are smaller, maybe 3/4 inch wide by 1" long, (held in a socket with a thumb screw). The top of the screw has a 6- or 7-inch arm on it to provide torque. The whole thing is mounted on a piece of 3/4" plywood for stability. I use it all the time, and the Cub Scouts enjoy cracking geodes on it. A screen or rag cover is a must, or safety glasses must be worn--it spits out chips that could hurt an eye, but probably nothing else. If anyone wants more details (maybe I can get a photo), contact me off line. Jim __________________________________________________________ Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu 5110 Rockhill Road Kansas City, MO 64110 on 2/16/05 5:32 PM, Don H at morningstar@att.net wrote: (snip) > Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a > splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at > reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of > stress. > > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Feb 16 17:01:57 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:01:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant Crystals - Cave in Rock References: <200502100202.j1A21wVi006815@bubbleator.drizzle.com><5.2.1.1.0.20050210115115.010dc7a8@email.mtu.edu><003701c50f94$0e95ec50$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc><005e01c50fd3$8e09f320$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <420C3BC1.99C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007201c5148c$47720980$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> To follow up, I asked Eric Livingston the mining geologist at Ozark-Mahoning about the largest crystal he'd ever seen in the fluorspar district. Here is is response: "The largest fluorite xls I know of were found in the Annabel Lee and measure about 14 inches on an edge. I've heard rumors about larger ones but these are rumors (legends ?? ) only." Alan > Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >> I've heard the Hill-Ledford mine near Cave in Rock had fluorite crystals >> up >> to somewhere between 2' - 3' wide, but I've never had anyone show proof >> (i.e., photos or specimens). I'll ask Eric Livingston. From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Feb 16 17:05:51 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:06:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Message-ID: <158.4aac56fc.2f4547ef@aol.com> I was just wondering..I have a shell..(clam I would guess) that has calcite in it..it was found by a friend of ours down here in N.C and he gave it to me knowing I'm a mineral nut. Are shells with calcite..rare, or special? I would love to know more about them..and thought I'd ask here. Thank you! Jackie In a message dated 2/12/05 10:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, willows30@alltel.net writes: s anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. James A. and Linda S. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From agesilaus at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 18:03:47 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 16 18:03:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] free Gmail accounts In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> <4213D819.7000209@att.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: I just got a Gmail account and can hand out up to 50 invitations for free accounts. So if anyone want an account just reply to the address below, and I'll send you an invite. Gmail has pop3 and mail forwarding now which makes it more useful in my opinion. agesilaus@gmail.com Bryan From BNMJEFF at aol.com Wed Feb 16 18:50:22 2005 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 18:50:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Message-ID: <8a.20d03084.2f45606e@aol.com> Hi Jackie...Calcite is shells is not rare but can be very special. The crystals can range from a drusy (SP?) to nice clear facetable dogtooth crystals. The Fort Drum in the Central Florida area is a good one for them these days Jeff Ursillo Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Wed Feb 16 19:56:54 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 19:56:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Message-ID: <82.21f9d6a9.2f457006@aol.com> Thanks Jeff..I thought it was a pretty neat shell..and it will have a special place in my collection. I recently moved here to NC and am still missing things...my loupes for one. *smile*..but I shall find them..I can't wait to peer closer inside the opening in the shell and look at the crystals. I appreciate your reply..Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mikeflan at earthlink.net Wed Feb 16 20:01:43 2005 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:01:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Kevin References: <200502170232.j1H2WiRI015638@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <42141727.76D013C8@earthlink.net> I'm looking for a guy named Kevin who had the e-mail address of airbrushn4@aol.com. I believe he lived in Houston, TX, like I do now. That e-mail address no longer works. Anybody know if Kevin is still in the Rockhound community? Most of my correspondence with him was from 1998-1999. Mike Flannigan Clear Lake area of Houston, TX From kahako at verizon.net Wed Feb 16 20:16:02 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:16:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells References: <158.4aac56fc.2f4547ef@aol.com> Message-ID: <001601c514a7$671d8910$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Jackie, A while ago Richard Dale had maybe 20 specimens of calcite in fossil clam shell from Fort Drum, Florida on his website. At present he has one, and you can see a picture at: http://www.dalerocks.com/238/5960.htm?318 (I'm not promoting, here; just observing.) Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells >I was just wondering..I have a shell..(clam I would guess) that has calcite > in it..it was found by a friend of ours down here in N.C and he gave it to > me > knowing I'm a mineral nut. > Are shells with calcite..rare, or special? I would love to know more > about > them..and thought I'd ask here. Thank you! > Jackie > > In a message dated 2/12/05 10:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > willows30@alltel.net writes: > > > s anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that > might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for > teeth > and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure > would like to go at least once just to see the pits. > James A. and Linda S. Rollins > willows@alltel.net > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 16 20:41:27 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:31:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock References: <410-22005231634913941@earthlink.net> <4212D0C0.3415@Tomaszewski.net> <4213D819.7000209@att.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050216153431.02efdb68@mail.spiritone.com> <4213E0F3.30408@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <42141E1D.6F0F@Tomaszewski.net> Maurice, My 'cracker' looks a lot like the second one, but still lets me use the vise for more mundane purposes as it is temporary; I liked the first one better. Thanks for the link. I wonder if anyone has considered converting a surplus metal stamping press, or shear, into an 'industrial' splitter that you could house in your garage? Used heavy industrial equipment often goes for scrap metal prices if you will remove it. Moving a 20 ton press is the same magnitude issue as moving a 20 ton boulder. (Is your spouse in agreement?) Sigh! We can always dream. Kreigh Maurice de Graaf wrote: > > The same monster Frank created??: > > http://www.strahlen.org/overig/krakers.htm > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, > > albeit in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split > > or that I don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a > > petrified log). They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much > > force to the handle as I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) > > > > At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > > > >> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> > >>> Mark, > >>> When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > >>> 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. > >> > >> > >> Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a > >> splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at > >> reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of > >> stress. > >> > >> Don > > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Feb 17 01:26:56 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Feb 17 01:27:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <4213D819.7000209@att.net> Message-ID: Yes Don, I "lead" an "engineering" workgroup (as well as the fluorescence group) at the MKA. We try to make things that aren't available to the public for less money. One of our members asked to make a stone breaker and we did that starting with an hydraulic car jack. The chisels or knifes were made out of hardened steel from waste from an automobile plant. One of my colleagues works there, he is an experienced metal worker. The thing must have worked better than the commercial ones, or at least as good. Normally when you make something for people for virtually NO money, they start complaining that the commercial version of the item works better. In this case they didn't so I'm confident that it was a good attempt ;-))) I have no idea about the stress it could hold because we didn't test it to the extremes. The thing survived the owner who had it for about ten years. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Don H Verzonden: donderdag 17 februari 2005 0:33 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Mark, > > When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of stress. Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Feb 17 01:56:07 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Feb 17 01:56:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells In-Reply-To: <158.4aac56fc.2f4547ef@aol.com> Message-ID: They are indeed special ;-))) The calcite crystals and impregnations of calcite in the fossil material fluoresce big time LW-SW-MR UV. Strong phosphoresce as well. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens CRAZYDOVE@aol.com Verzonden: donderdag 17 februari 2005 2:06 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells I was just wondering..I have a shell..(clam I would guess) that has calcite in it..it was found by a friend of ours down here in N.C and he gave it to me knowing I'm a mineral nut. Are shells with calcite..rare, or special? I would love to know more about them..and thought I'd ask here. Thank you! Jackie In a message dated 2/12/05 10:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, willows30@alltel.net writes: s anyone in the Southeastern states know of any mineralogical society that might be planning a trip to lower Florida say around Fort Drum to look for teeth and clam shells with calcite? I missed out on the trip last year and sure would like to go at least once just to see the pits. James A. and Linda S. Rollins willows@alltel.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Feb 17 02:04:49 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Feb 17 02:04:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock In-Reply-To: <42141E1D.6F0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I hear you! Our club was offered a working XRF-spectrometer a few years ago... we had to decline because of the exorbitant maintenance cost and lack of space. Needless to say we wept for a year straight. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: donderdag 17 februari 2005 5:41 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock Maurice, My 'cracker' looks a lot like the second one, but still lets me use the vise for more mundane purposes as it is temporary; I liked the first one better. Thanks for the link. I wonder if anyone has considered converting a surplus metal stamping press, or shear, into an 'industrial' splitter that you could house in your garage? Used heavy industrial equipment often goes for scrap metal prices if you will remove it. Moving a 20 ton press is the same magnitude issue as moving a 20 ton boulder. (Is your spouse in agreement?) Sigh! We can always dream. Kreigh Maurice de Graaf wrote: > > The same monster Frank created??: > > http://www.strahlen.org/overig/krakers.htm > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, > > albeit in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split > > or that I don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a > > petrified log). They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much > > force to the handle as I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) > > > > At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > > > >> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> > >>> Mark, > >>> When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > >>> 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. > >> > >> > >> Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a > >> splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at > >> reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of > >> stress. > >> > >> Don > > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From buff1 at ptd.net Thu Feb 17 05:49:40 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Thu Feb 17 05:49:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Gathering of Micromounters In-Reply-To: <00b201c513c1$dce8b020$c480fea9@earlrock> References: <00b201c513c1$dce8b020$c480fea9@earlrock> Message-ID: <4214A0F4.2070901@ptd.net> Although I would love to attend this event and can not; in review of the subject material to be presented I sure would love to know how Jim Daly makes an airtight micromount for sensitive minerals... and that is NOT tongue in cheek... I think others would like to know too... so.. once the presentation is over any chance of giving us a brief tutorial via this forum?? Hmm?? PLEASE?? Earl wrote: > Greetings to the rockhounds at Drizzle. > > The final version of the Winter Gathering of Micromounters webpage > with updated program schedule: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~earlrock/wintermicro/index.html > > regards, > Earl > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From everbeek at nac.net Mon Feb 14 06:42:39 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Feb 17 07:29:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c512a3$6f4fd800$aee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Lanny makes a good point -- please use a *reputable* geological or mineralogical dictionary (AGI is a good one for geology) when seeking definitions of terms such as "druse" or "drusy". There are many bad dictionaries out there, ones with incorrect or misleading definitions that do more harm than good. To give two common examples from the geologic realm, I've seen several dictionaries that define an anticline as a convex-upward fold, and a dike as a vertical or steeply dipping tabular intrusion. Both of these definitions miss the point altogether: an anticline, by definition, has the oldest rock layers in its core, and should not be confused with an antiFORM (a convex-upward fold). Similarly, the definition of "dike" has nothing to do with orientation, but whether the intrusion crosscuts (dike) or is parallel to (sill) the dominant planar structure in the host rock. Similar confusions exist in the mineralogical world, though on the whole I've found mineralogists to be more careful with scientific terminology than their geological counterparts. To the extent that common usage is any guide to the meaning of a word, I might note that in 20 years with the U.S. Geological Survey I never heard a single person (a geologist, mineralogist, geochemist) refer to a druse as anything other than a crust of truly tiny crystals, 5 mm or less across. Anything larger than that tended to be referred to simply as a crust of small crystals, not a druse. Again, though, common usage and actual definitions are sometimes worlds apart. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:22 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question about "druzy" Look at a geological dictionary. If you don't have a library handy with one, then try a search on the web. If searching on the web, be sure and get a real dictionary, one from an organization such as the American Geological Institute, because there are a lot of "dictionaries" or glossaries at universities and other places that are poor quality word lists with "definitions" that are more like somebody's opinion then definitions that match geological dictionaries. Some of these can be amusing! The geologic dictionaries are fairly consistent in having a definition of "a crust of small crystals lining the insides of a cavity." An interesting conflict is that most of the English language dictionaries have perverted this to a "crust of tiny crystals... ." "Small" is not defined, and I don't have a geologic library nearby with old references to search to try and determine if old usage meant under 1 cm or under 1 meter or small enough to fit in an ore car. My feeling is that from common usage amongst the geologic educated is for the crystals to be relatively uniform in size and not big; your 3 cm amethyst crystals in a geode would fit the definition. Most people seem to not use the term for the amethyst lining a Brazilian geode where the crystals are an inch or more across and long. I believe it is mostly just that we tend to use the term for small crystals where small is more like under 1/2 inch or so. It's all relative, if I found a geode in Idaho with amethyst crystals that size I'd think of them as big! Regards, Lanny From zaphod1863 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 20:35:15 2005 From: zaphod1863 at yahoo.com (CB wilkins) Date: Thu Feb 17 07:29:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] CSMS Field Trips Message-ID: <20050216043515.16528.qmail@web51710.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I'm Brent Williams - the newly appointed field trip coordinator for Colorado Springs Mineralogical Society. I was given your name and address in hopes that our club can participate in some shared field trips with your club. I still have a lot of calls to make so we still have a lot of open dates on our calendar. The season will hopefully begin soon so I would like to get some idea of possible dates. Please e-mail me with any thoughts you might have. Don't forget the "Big Show" this June. Thanks in Advance, ßrent Williams --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geoamerica at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 10:21:31 2005 From: geoamerica at hotmail.com (GeoAmerica TV) Date: Thu Feb 17 07:29:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Message-ID: The streaming video preview teaser for the documentary "RockHounds: The Movie" is online. You can watch it on the website: http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com You'll need Real Player to view the video. We welcome any feedback. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks! Todd Kent _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From BETDAV97 at aol.com Thu Feb 17 11:53:29 2005 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 11:53:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine? Message-ID: <4735B790.0AC86571.0063F1E6@aol.com> Hi Group, I am trying to find info and a mineral list for the Fanny Goode Mine, Spruce Pine, North Carolina. I have a mettalic specimen, labeled on the back as being from there; but there is no id label as to mineral. I assume, usually wrong, that it is maybe Tantalite or another mineral that is similar. One thing, it is not magnetic. I've collected around Spruce Pine, but for garnet and beryl. Any help will be appreciated. I did a search on Google, but with no success. Someone, I'm sure, will point out that I am for not searching the right places. Thanks, Dave Sunset Fossils & Minerals From afox at drizzle.com Thu Feb 17 14:24:10 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Feb 17 14:24:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: How do I view archives? In-Reply-To: <000501c51530$2f8f4860$a966f204@reed> Message-ID: http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds/ Sorry that there's no topical way to search through the archives. That functionality will have to wait until Rockhounds is hosted on its own server, and I'm out of graduate school. If you are looking for something in particular, I'd suggest using a copy of grep (or loading the files into a text editor (such as Crimson Editor or Programmer's File Editor) with a good regular-expression style find feature. Please keep in mind that using the archives to develop mailing lists for targeted marketing or spamming purposes is expressly forbidden, and will result in my pursuit of all legal remedies against the offenders. :-) CCd to the list for those that also wanted to learn how to use the archives. Aaron Fox Rockhounds Admin > Hi Aaron. > I joined the rockhound list hoping that that would be the way to find access to the archives but.. still can't figure it out...Help > ...Reed Schilbach... -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Feb 17 14:39:08 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 14:39:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Message-ID: <142.3fae3fa9.2f46770c@aol.com> Thanks Axel..I have a short/long wave light..and as SOON as I find it (still have stuff to unpack)..I will shut myself into a dark closet..and enjoy! Thanks a bunch! Jackie In a message dated 2/17/05 4:56:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: They are indeed special ;-))) The calcite crystals and impregnations of calcite in the fossil material fluoresce big time LW-SW-MR UV. Strong phosphoresce as well. Cheers Axel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Feb 17 14:44:23 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 14:44:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells Message-ID: <1f8.5316b69.2f467847@aol.com> Hi Kitty..thanks for the website info..I'll definately check it out! I was thrilled when our friend gave it to me..and can't wait to see if I can find some of my own. I was really amazed to see it full of calcite crystals, being somewhat of a novice and not good at all with xstal structure etc..(I did know it was calcite), I just never realized crystals could form in a shell..amazing! Thank you again.. Aloha....Jackie In a message dated 2/16/05 11:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, kahako@verizon.net writes: Jackie, A while ago Richard Dale had maybe 20 specimens of calcite in fossil clam shell from Fort Drum, Florida on his website. At present he has one, and you can see a picture at: http://www.dalerocks.com/238/5960.htm?318 (I'm not promoting, here; just observing.) Aloha, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Thu Feb 17 15:15:23 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:11:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells In-Reply-To: <1f8.5316b69.2f467847@aol.com> References: <1f8.5316b69.2f467847@aol.com> Message-ID: <4215258B.8020502@att.net> CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > I was really amazed to see it full of calcite crystals, being > somewhat of a novice and not good at all with xstal structure etc... Oh don't let that bother you--calcite has, I think, over 800 possible morphologies, and I'd like to meet the person who can recognize them all on sight. There was an Extra Lapis English issue dedicated to calcite, and it contains a lot of information on the total number of forms that calcite takes, etc. I have it somewhere, but there is no way I could dig it up at the moment, so maybe someone else has the exact number. In any case, if I'm not mistaken, calcite takes more external forms than any other mineral. Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 17 15:52:11 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:39:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine? References: <4735B790.0AC86571.0063F1E6@aol.com> Message-ID: <42152B30.5916@Tomaszewski.net> BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Group, > I am trying to find info and a mineral list for the Fanny Goode Mine, Spruce Pine, North Carolina. I have a mettalic specimen, labeled on the back as being from there; but there is no id label as to mineral. I assume, usually wrong, that it is maybe Tantalite or another mineral that is similar. One thing, it is not magnetic. I've collected around Spruce Pine, but for garnet and beryl. Any help will be appreciated. I did a search on Google, but with no success. Someone, I'm sure, will point out > Dave > Sunset Fossils & Minerals Dave, MinDat.org has a Fanny Gouge Mine [note spelling] about 2.5 miles SE of Micaville, Yancy Co., NC. It is a mine in a uranium bearing muscovite pegmatite that produced one mica book weighing over 2,000 kg. Listed minerals include Almandine, Autunite, Feldspar, Mica, Opal var. Hyalite, Quartz, Torbernite, Uraninite, and Ziosite var. Thulite. BTW, my search was for locations containing 'Fanny'. No guarantee the mineral list is complete. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 17 16:00:41 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:48:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells References: <1f8.5316b69.2f467847@aol.com> <4215258B.8020502@att.net> Message-ID: <42152D2D.3A20@Tomaszewski.net> The International Calcite Collectors Association home page at http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ states calcite has over 2,500 distinct crystal forms. Don H wrote: > > CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > I was really amazed to see it full of calcite crystals, being > > somewhat of a novice and not good at all with xstal structure etc... > > Oh don't let that bother you--calcite has, I think, over 800 possible > morphologies, and I'd like to meet the person who can recognize them all > on sight. There was an Extra Lapis English issue dedicated to calcite, > and it contains a lot of information on the total number of forms that > calcite takes, etc. I have it somewhere, but there is no way I could > dig it up at the moment, so maybe someone else has the exact number. In > any case, if I'm not mistaken, calcite takes more external forms than > any other mineral. > > Don > From BETDAV97 at aol.com Thu Feb 17 16:12:46 2005 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 16:12:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine? Message-ID: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> Thanks Kreigh, For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting "web page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on google. Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, considering the spelling. On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose quartz crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I thought I had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, than maybe someone who reads the post will remember. Thanks, Dave From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 17 17:41:21 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 17 17:28:26 2005 Subject: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine?} References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> Message-ID: <421544B7.4D76@Tomaszewski.net> BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks Kreigh, > For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting "web page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on google. Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, considering the spelling. > On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose quartz crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I thought I had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, than maybe someone who reads the post will remember. Thanks, > Dave I remember the rose quartz coming up because Maine and Brazil were the only two locations for crystals documented. It was in a discussion about K feldspar coated quartz from Michigan that looked like rose quartz. Someone in that discussion last summer wanted to know more about another possible location. Might have been me, but I think it was someone else. But if you have rose quartz crystals from SD I would enjoy learning more and even seeing a picture. Kreigh From kahako at verizon.net Thu Feb 17 17:31:37 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 17 17:31:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FL Calcite in shells References: <1f8.5316b69.2f467847@aol.com> <4215258B.8020502@att.net> Message-ID: <002b01c51559$97c267e0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Bill (my husband) refers to calcite as "the schmoo of minerals." You may have to be a "senior citizen" to know what a schmoo is...Lil Abner cartoon, the white blob things with an agreeable nature to turn into anything you want it to. Aloha, Kitty > Oh don't let that bother you--calcite has, I think, over 800 possible > morphologies, and I'd like to meet the person who can recognize them all > on sight. There was an Extra Lapis English issue dedicated to calcite, > and it contains a lot of information on the total number of forms that > calcite takes, etc. I have it somewhere, but there is no way I could dig > it up at the moment, so maybe someone else has the exact number. In any > case, if I'm not mistaken, calcite takes more external forms than any > other mineral. > > Don > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From earlrock at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 18:28:24 2005 From: earlrock at earthlink.net (Earl) Date: Thu Feb 17 18:28:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18 Fanny Goode Mine? References: <200502180200.j1I20rA6007049@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <007701c51561$865a4100$c480fea9@earlrock> Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine? Hi Group, I am trying to find info and a mineral list for the Fanny Goode Mine, Spruce Pine, North Carolina. I have a mettalic specimen, labeled on the back as being from there; but there is no id label as to mineral. I assume, usually wrong, that it is maybe Tantalite or another mineral that is similar. One thing, it is not magnetic. Try searching for FANNY GORGE MINE. regards, Earl From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Thu Feb 17 18:33:31 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Thu Feb 17 18:33:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine? References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c51562$3c9f7a70$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> I've been to a Fannie Googe mine west of Spruce Pine, NC. It's famous for gemmy oligoclase and thulite variety of clinozoisite (not zoisite). Van ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ""Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing lis t for rock and gem collectors"" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine? > Thanks Kreigh, > For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting "web > page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on google. > Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, considering > the spelling. > On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose quartz > crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I thought I > had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, than maybe someone > who reads the post will remember. Thanks, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Thu Feb 17 19:46:33 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:46:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> <001101c51562$3c9f7a70$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <000901c5156c$70ac04a0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Just thought I'd offer some more details as my first reply was a bit brief. First, I hit the wrong key, Gouge mine, not Googe mine, although you will see both spellings in guidebooks. I don't have any insight into Fanny vs. Fannie, although some of the people of that name historically seem to have used both spellings. I checked infobel.com and there are plenty of Gouge's in Spruce Pine area and I couldn't find any Googe's. About ten years ago, I led a series of fieldtrips from the Wild Acres Workshop in North Carolina. I've always been interested in thulite and went to as many localities as I could as well as traded and purchased from local dealers and collectors. A few months later, I gave a series of lectures at a university and X-rayed all of my samples and made thin sections of the rocks the thulite was in. All proved to be clinozoisite and not thulite. In the country of Norway, thulite is a variety of zoisite. I sent off my x-ray results to Dick Erd who was studying epidote and zoisite at the time. More recently, thulite from Pennsylvania has been shown to be clinozoisite as well. Van -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From lanny at lrream.com Thu Feb 17 21:22:53 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Feb 17 21:20:29 2005 Subject: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine?} In-Reply-To: <421544B7.4D76@Tomaszewski.net> References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> <421544B7.4D76@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <23F29FAA-816D-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> In addition to several localities in Maine, a search in MinDex provided the following from the mineral periodicals for rose quartz crystals: Charles Davis Mine and Plume Mine, North Groton, New Hampshire: Donald Dallaire, Mines and Minerals of North Groton, New Hampshire, Rocks & Minerals Jul.-Aug. 1990, Vo. 65 #4 West Springfield, Massachusetts: Gunnar Bjareby, Fifty Years of Mineral Collecting, Part V, Rocks & Minerals, Nov.-Dec. 1962, Vol. 37, #11-12 Big Beryl Mine, La Grange, Georgia: Rocks & Minerals, May 1965, Vol. 40 #5. That last one, I'm not sure from the description if it truly was a rose quartz crystal, even though the article said it was; it's a bit confusing. Lanny On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: >> >> Thanks Kreigh, >> For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting >> "web page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on >> google. Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, >> considering the spelling. >> On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose >> quartz crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I >> thought I had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, >> than maybe someone who reads the post will remember. Thanks, >> Dave > > I remember the rose quartz coming up because Maine and Brazil were the > only two locations for crystals documented. It was in a discussion > about > K feldspar coated quartz from Michigan that looked like rose quartz. > Someone in that discussion last summer wanted to know more about > another > possible location. Might have been me, but I think it was someone else. > > But if you have rose quartz crystals from SD I would enjoy learning > more > and even seeing a picture. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Feb 18 05:08:10 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Feb 18 05:08:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? In-Reply-To: <000901c5156c$70ac04a0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> <001101c51562$3c9f7a70$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <000901c5156c$70ac04a0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <4215E8BA.6000505@ptd.net> Van wrote: > Just thought I'd offer some more details as my first reply was a bit > brief. First, I hit the wrong key, Gouge mine, not Googe mine, > although you will see both spellings in guidebooks. I don't have any > insight into Fanny vs. Fannie, although some of the people of that > name historically seem to have used both spellings. I checked > infobel.com and there are plenty of Gouge's in Spruce Pine area and I > couldn't find any Googe's. About ten years ago, I led a series of > fieldtrips from the Wild Acres Workshop in North Carolina. I've always > been interested in thulite and went to as many localities as I could > as well as traded and purchased from local dealers and collectors. A > few months later, I gave a series of lectures at a university and > X-rayed all of my samples and made thin sections of the rocks the > thulite was in. All proved to be clinozoisite and not thulite. In the > country of Norway, thulite is a variety of zoisite. I sent off my > x-ray results to Dick Erd who was studying epidote and zoisite at the > time. More recently, thulite from Pennsylvania has been shown to be > clinozoisite as well. > > Van > > > Perhaps it is the folks who are doing the labelling that feel it is the most descriptive term. We ( or at least speaking for myself ) appalachian folks have always been guilty of using endearing or unique names for things; but even Dana describes Thulite as a varietal name for pink zoisite/clinozoisite and the subtle differances of chemical makeup between clinozoisite, epidote, and zoisite has always been eluding; in that in many pieces; at least along the pa/md border it appears to be a matter of which grain you chose to analyze. I personally had alsways thought of Thulite as the most desciptive term for pink zoisite. From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Fri Feb 18 05:37:16 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Fri Feb 18 05:38:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> <001101c51562$3c9f7a70$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <000901c5156c$70ac04a0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <4215E8BA.6000505@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000701c515be$f6841cf0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Yes, thulite has enjoyed the zoisite designation because the materials from various places in Telemark, Norway are, indeed, zoisite, not to mention that there was plenty of it to distribute. The chemical analyses of pegmatite thulite, at least, show that the pink color is due to Fe 3+. The identification of USA thulite as being clinozoisite has still to take root in the minds of collectors. It's much the same as less than half of "mountain leather" is actually palygorskite or there is no such thing as pyrolusite dendrites although you'll find these names listed in all of the old books and some of the new ones. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? > Van wrote: > >> Just thought I'd offer some more details as my first reply was a bit >> brief. First, I hit the wrong key, Gouge mine, not Googe mine, although >> you will see both spellings in guidebooks. I don't have any insight into >> Fanny vs. Fannie, although some of the people of that name historically >> seem to have used both spellings. I checked infobel.com and there are >> plenty of Gouge's in Spruce Pine area and I couldn't find any Googe's. >> About ten years ago, I led a series of fieldtrips from the Wild Acres >> Workshop in North Carolina. I've always been interested in thulite and >> went to as many localities as I could as well as traded and purchased >> from local dealers and collectors. A few months later, I gave a series of >> lectures at a university and X-rayed all of my samples and made thin >> sections of the rocks the thulite was in. All proved to be clinozoisite >> and not thulite. In the country of Norway, thulite is a variety of >> zoisite. I sent off my x-ray results to Dick Erd who was studying epidote >> and zoisite at the time. More recently, thulite from Pennsylvania has >> been shown to be clinozoisite as well. >> >> Van >> >> >> > Perhaps it is the folks who are doing the labelling that feel it is the > most descriptive term. We ( or at least speaking for myself ) appalachian > folks have always been guilty of using endearing or unique names for > things; but even Dana describes Thulite as a varietal name for pink > zoisite/clinozoisite and the subtle differances of chemical makeup > between clinozoisite, epidote, and zoisite has always been eluding; in > that in many pieces; at least along the pa/md border it appears to be a > matter of which grain you chose to analyze. I personally had alsways > thought of Thulite as the most desciptive term for pink zoisite. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From ItalianMinerals at libero.it Fri Feb 18 05:46:21 2005 From: ItalianMinerals at libero.it (Italian Minerals) Date: Fri Feb 18 05:46:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - Specimens from Tucson show ! 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They were by no means euhedral crystals. They were, crystallographically, single crystals, but that is all they were. Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:23 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine?} In addition to several localities in Maine, a search in MinDex provided the following from the mineral periodicals for rose quartz crystals: Charles Davis Mine and Plume Mine, North Groton, New Hampshire: Donald Dallaire, Mines and Minerals of North Groton, New Hampshire, Rocks & Minerals Jul.-Aug. 1990, Vo. 65 #4 West Springfield, Massachusetts: Gunnar Bjareby, Fifty Years of Mineral Collecting, Part V, Rocks & Minerals, Nov.-Dec. 1962, Vol. 37, #11-12 Big Beryl Mine, La Grange, Georgia: Rocks & Minerals, May 1965, Vol. 40 #5. That last one, I'm not sure from the description if it truly was a rose quartz crystal, even though the article said it was; it's a bit confusing. Lanny On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: >> >> Thanks Kreigh, >> For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting >> "web page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on >> google. Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, >> considering the spelling. >> On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose >> quartz crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I >> thought I had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, >> than maybe someone who reads the post will remember. Thanks, >> Dave > > I remember the rose quartz coming up because Maine and Brazil were the > only two locations for crystals documented. It was in a discussion > about > K feldspar coated quartz from Michigan that looked like rose quartz. > Someone in that discussion last summer wanted to know more about > another > possible location. Might have been me, but I think it was someone else. > > But if you have rose quartz crystals from SD I would enjoy learning > more > and even seeing a picture. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Feb 18 06:46:34 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Feb 18 06:46:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? In-Reply-To: <000701c515be$f6841cf0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> <001101c51562$3c9f7a70$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <000901c5156c$70ac04a0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <4215E8BA.6000505@ptd.net> <000701c515be$f6841cf0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <4215FFCA.2020203@ptd.net> Van wrote: > Yes, thulite has enjoyed the zoisite designation because the materials > from various places in Telemark, Norway are, indeed, zoisite, not to > mention that there was plenty of it to distribute. The chemical > analyses of pegmatite thulite, at least, show that the pink color is > due to Fe 3+. The identification of USA thulite as being clinozoisite > has still to take root in the minds of collectors. It's much the same > as less than half of "mountain leather" is actually palygorskite or > there is no such thing as pyrolusite dendrites although you'll find > these names listed in all of the old books and some of the new ones. > > One other thing that may interest you about "mountain leather" is locally they even referred to it as "attapulgite" and is listed in many old state referances and it DOES come from the weaverland quarry in east earl, PA. Also there is an interesting relationship between epidote and piemontite here in PA.. you can actually see the increasing and changing contrast in the increasing Mn content as you look along the contact... From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Fri Feb 18 07:15:53 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Fri Feb 18 07:16:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? References: <505D2681.32F4B4D7.0063F1E6@aol.com> <001101c51562$3c9f7a70$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <000901c5156c$70ac04a0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <4215E8BA.6000505@ptd.net> <000701c515be$f6841cf0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <4215FFCA.2020203@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000701c515cc$bd98b320$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> The nice thing about attapulgite is that it is basically palygorskite. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Gouge Mine clinozoisite? > Van wrote: > >> Yes, thulite has enjoyed the zoisite designation because the materials >> from various places in Telemark, Norway are, indeed, zoisite, not to >> mention that there was plenty of it to distribute. The chemical analyses >> of pegmatite thulite, at least, show that the pink color is due to Fe 3+. >> The identification of USA thulite as being clinozoisite has still to take >> root in the minds of collectors. It's much the same as less than half of >> "mountain leather" is actually palygorskite or there is no such thing as >> pyrolusite dendrites although you'll find these names listed in all of >> the old books and some of the new ones. >> >> > One other thing that may interest you about "mountain leather" is locally > they even referred to it as "attapulgite" and is listed in many old state > referances and it DOES come from the weaverland quarry in east earl, PA. > Also there is an interesting relationship between epidote and piemontite > here in PA.. you can actually see the increasing and changing contrast in > the increasing Mn content as you look along the contact... > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Fri Feb 18 08:00:54 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Fri Feb 18 08:01:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: Message-ID: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Dudley Blauwet said he has heard of rose quartz crystals from Pakistan, but he hadn't actually seen them. Supposedly, rose quartz crystals owe their color to P substitution for Si, while the large masses owe their coloration due to inclusions, particularly, but not exclusively, dumortierite. Many rose quartz crystals look included, but when you see broken surfaces many look fairly clear and the crystal surfaces have been highly etched or frosted. Actually there are lots of reports of rose quartz crystals from around the world, but they don't resemble the late stage pegmatitic rose quartz crystals. Most recently, I've seen the beautifully included red phantoms in clear quartz from Hunan, China being called rose quartz. The trouble with varieties is that each time you find the "acceptable limit" for the "correct" use of the name, a slightly more extreme example vies for attention. I've been more conservative. At the recent Tucson show, one of the tent dealers across from the Executive Inn had "girasol" quartz for sale. What they had for sale resembled the "sleepy" characteristic seen in rose quartz gems, but without the color. Girasol seems to have originally been applied to a colorless transparent "opal" which had the glory-effect of scattering light (Dana's sixth, also Dana's seventh, volume 3), but my Belgian friend told me he had usually called the similar looking quartz from pegmatites by that name. A recent search on the net showed you can now buy carved skulls made of girasol variety of quartz. Sic transit gloria mundi. Van -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From lanny at lrream.com Fri Feb 18 09:10:37 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Feb 18 09:08:14 2005 Subject: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine?} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023E10F3-81D0-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Thanks Henry, that was the feeling I had. My guess was that at the best there was a face or two as is often in the massive quartz in a pegmatite be it rose or white. Now I can correct my index and be happier with it. Lanny On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:54 AM, Henry Barwood wrote: > Hi Lanny, > > The rose quartz "crystals" from LaGrange, GA were partings that > assumed a > (semi)hexagonal shape. They were by no means euhedral crystals. They > were, > crystallographically, single crystals, but that is all they were. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode > Mine?} > > > In addition to several localities in Maine, a search in MinDex provided > the following from the mineral periodicals for rose quartz crystals: > > Charles Davis Mine and Plume Mine, North Groton, New Hampshire: Donald > Dallaire, Mines and Minerals of North Groton, New Hampshire, Rocks & > Minerals Jul.-Aug. 1990, Vo. 65 #4 > > West Springfield, Massachusetts: Gunnar Bjareby, Fifty Years of Mineral > Collecting, Part V, Rocks & Minerals, Nov.-Dec. 1962, Vol. 37, #11-12 > > Big Beryl Mine, La Grange, Georgia: Rocks & Minerals, May 1965, Vol. 40 > #5. > > That last one, I'm not sure from the description if it truly was a rose > quartz crystal, even though the article said it was; it's a bit > confusing. > > Lanny > > > On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Kreigh, >>> For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting >>> "web page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on >>> google. Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, >>> considering the spelling. >>> On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose >>> quartz crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I >>> thought I had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, >>> than maybe someone who reads the post will remember. Thanks, >>> Dave >> >> I remember the rose quartz coming up because Maine and Brazil were the >> only two locations for crystals documented. It was in a discussion >> about >> K feldspar coated quartz from Michigan that looked like rose quartz. >> Someone in that discussion last summer wanted to know more about >> another >> possible location. Might have been me, but I think it was someone >> else. >> >> But if you have rose quartz crystals from SD I would enjoy learning >> more >> and even seeing a picture. >> >> Kreigh >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From hbarwood at troyst.edu Fri Feb 18 11:36:28 2005 From: hbarwood at troyst.edu (Henry Barwood) Date: Fri Feb 18 11:42:49 2005 Subject: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine?} In-Reply-To: <023E10F3-81D0-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: Hi Lanny, Back when the Hogg Mine (aka Minerals Processing Mine) was still a "pay to collect" operation, I saw lots of rose quartz "crystals" sold to the tourists at elevated prices. The place was all but mined out in the late 1960's and only a small bit of the core remains. It is presently a junk heap and used by a fellow who goes hunting on the property. Occasionally clubs have trips, but I just don't feel like hassling with a recalcitrant landowner to go and collect bits and pieces of quartz and beryl. I figure the place will soon be sold for development anyway. I have limited access to the microprobe at the University of Alabama these days, and have started sorting out a few unknowns. Unless I can land a grant soon, the use will be strictly short term though (!). Henry -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:11 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode Mine?} Thanks Henry, that was the feeling I had. My guess was that at the best there was a face or two as is often in the massive quartz in a pegmatite be it rose or white. Now I can correct my index and be happier with it. Lanny On Feb 18, 2005, at 5:54 AM, Henry Barwood wrote: > Hi Lanny, > > The rose quartz "crystals" from LaGrange, GA were partings that > assumed a > (semi)hexagonal shape. They were by no means euhedral crystals. They > were, > crystallographically, single crystals, but that is all they were. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Lanny > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: Rose Quartz Crystals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Fanny Goode > Mine?} > > > In addition to several localities in Maine, a search in MinDex provided > the following from the mineral periodicals for rose quartz crystals: > > Charles Davis Mine and Plume Mine, North Groton, New Hampshire: Donald > Dallaire, Mines and Minerals of North Groton, New Hampshire, Rocks & > Minerals Jul.-Aug. 1990, Vo. 65 #4 > > West Springfield, Massachusetts: Gunnar Bjareby, Fifty Years of Mineral > Collecting, Part V, Rocks & Minerals, Nov.-Dec. 1962, Vol. 37, #11-12 > > Big Beryl Mine, La Grange, Georgia: Rocks & Minerals, May 1965, Vol. 40 > #5. > > That last one, I'm not sure from the description if it truly was a rose > quartz crystal, even though the article said it was; it's a bit > confusing. > > Lanny > > > On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> BETDAV97@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Kreigh, >>> For some reason, everytime I tried to access MinDat, I kept getting >>> "web page not available". I tried for the Fannie Goode Mine on >>> google. Micaville is near Spruce Pine, and it could be the same mine, >>> considering the spelling. >>> On another note, was I supposed to send you a picture of rose >>> quartz crystals from South Dakota? The specimen finally turned up, I >>> thought I had sold it, since I couldn't find it. If it isn't you, >>> than maybe someone who reads the post will remember. Thanks, >>> Dave >> >> I remember the rose quartz coming up because Maine and Brazil were the >> only two locations for crystals documented. It was in a discussion >> about >> K feldspar coated quartz from Michigan that looked like rose quartz. >> Someone in that discussion last summer wanted to know more about >> another >> possible location. Might have been me, but I think it was someone >> else. >> >> But if you have rose quartz crystals from SD I would enjoy learning >> more >> and even seeing a picture. >> >> Kreigh >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From s.l.haas at att.net Fri Feb 18 19:02:10 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Fri Feb 18 19:02:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920050302.21128.4216AC320005003F0000528821612436469C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when someone might let a group in. Thanks -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far this > year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a friend > (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of other > issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to go! We > had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because winter > construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > > We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as an > "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the case when > were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately they > have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the quarry > towards the north. > > Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly surprised to > see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide and > 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was shot > (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry in about > 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper vuggy > zone." > > Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare frost > covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps were > in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was June! I > ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that perspiration > flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > > I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and plates > with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated with small > negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has barite > (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this time! This > was my best collecting trip here in several years. > > With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've known > the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current company > manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him from the > other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. While our > local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions in group > size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, I > don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every few > weeks! > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Feb 18 20:21:25 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Feb 18 20:21:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report References: <021920050302.21128.4216AC320005003F0000528821612436469C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> Message-ID: <000a01c5163a$79b0a0a0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I can go further. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > : -------------- > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far >> this >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a >> friend >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of >> other >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to >> go! We >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because >> winter >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. >> >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as >> an >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the >> case when >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately >> they >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the >> quarry >> towards the north. >> >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly >> surprised to >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide >> and >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was >> shot >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry >> in about >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper >> vuggy >> zone." >> >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare >> frost >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps >> were >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was >> June! I >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that >> perspiration >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! >> >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and >> plates >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated >> with small >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has >> barite >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this >> time! This >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. >> >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've >> known >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current >> company >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him >> from the >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. >> While our >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions >> in group >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, >> I >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every >> few >> weeks! >> >> Alan >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Feb 19 07:20:44 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:20:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report References: <021920050302.21128.4216AC320005003F0000528821612436469C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> Message-ID: <001d01c51696$95533190$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Hello, I heard from the manager Corydon Stone Comapny. Here is his reply: "We had a couple of problems with a couple of clubs, (individuals) last year, we changed our policy last year and just quit letting them in the quarry. It simply got out of hand, we were recieving calls daily about wanting to come for a visit. We now only let a select few come to hunt. If I let one club in it would not be fair to all." In a nutshell, the quarry is not open to individuals and geology clubs. Our local organization is the only one that is allowed to collect here and members are acutely aware that this is a privilege that is not to taken lightly. I would ask that collectors please do not call them. There is a chance that he will eventually allow for guided trips chaperoned by some of the local club members in the future if the quarry personnel are left alone. That is my hope, anyway... Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > someone might let a group in. Thanks From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:20 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27578.42175970000A920D00006BBA21602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:22 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27585.4217597200018FC600006BC121602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:23 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27602.42175973000716D800006BD221602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:25 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27618.421759750003849100006BE221602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:26 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27624.42175976000302A800006BE821602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:28 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27657.421759780003BEF400006C0921602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:29 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27671.42175979000388F200006C1721602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:31 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:21:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27689.4217597B0004783400006C2921602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:32 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27698.4217597C0009C17700006C3221602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:34 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27722.4217597D000E582500006C4A21602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know if -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:35 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27733.4217597F0000562E00006C5521602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know if there -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:37 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27755.421759810001D8B100006C6B21602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know if there has -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:39 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27769.421759830006F64700006C7921602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know if there has to be -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:38 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27760.421759820006A59500006C7021602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know if there has to -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:21:41 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:22:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051521.27779.421759850005E1AF00006C8321602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> No problem, thanks for trying even if it doesn't work out! If he says yes, do you know if there has to be safetrained -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Let me talk to the quarry manager and get a handle on his procedure for club > access. Last year he let the local club in w/o difficulty. He also let two > of us sponsor a Dixie Minerals Council group visit. He put limitations on > the "Friends of Mineralogy" group. I need to find out the policy before I > can go further. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Just a quick collecting report. Weather-wise this was best weekend so far > >> this > >> year: sunny with highs in the upper 50's in the afternoon. Myself and a > >> friend > >> (Bob) went to the Corydon quarry in Harrison Co., Indiana. Because of > >> other > >> issues, I wasn't sure until yesterday afternoon that I would be able to > >> go! We > >> had to leave at noon, although some times they stay open later. Because > >> winter > >> construction jobs are reduced, there were no extensions today. > >> > >> We collected in the area behind the mud cave which is being isolated as > >> an > >> "island" in the quarry. Usually they are running equipment (as was the > >> case when > >> were here during previous visits) in the main collecting area, but lately > >> they > >> have been working on the top of the hill as they work to expand the > >> quarry > >> towards the north. > >> > >> Bob & I climbed the slippery pile from the side and were pleasantly > >> surprised to > >> see a "virgin" collecting area. The entire shot pile - probably 80' wide > >> and > >> 200' long, showed no evidence of ANY collecting. I think the area was > >> shot > >> (blasted) over a month ago! Both of us had collected all we could carry > >> in about > >> 2 hours and got out about 11:55. It was mostly material from the "upper > >> vuggy > >> zone." > >> > >> Collecting was a struggle -- we are both terribly out-of-shape and hoare > >> frost > >> covered some rocks making them very slippery. Although the morning temps > >> were > >> in the upper 30's to low 40's, once the sun hit me I sweated like it was > >> June! I > >> ended up in my t-shirt. Swinging that sledge hammer does get that > >> perspiration > >> flowing. I've got to remember my sweatband next time! > >> > >> I ended up with four flats of exceptionally nice specimens - vugs and > >> plates > >> with big (1/2") pink dolomite saddle-shaped crystals, dolomite coated > >> with small > >> negative rhombohedral calcite crystals, colorless or white scalenohedra > >> protruding from dolomite, one calcite vug split in two, both with white > >> scalenohedrons to 1.5" and another with the hydrocarbon-included glassy > >> transparent crystals. No fluorite was observed, although one specimen has > >> barite > >> (white micro-crystals). Didn't need to pick up grab bag material this > >> time! This > >> was my best collecting trip here in several years. > >> > >> With regard to access, this is a case of knowing the right people. I've > >> known > >> the general manager of this quarry for more than a decade. The current > >> company > >> manager took over from the previous one two years ago, but I know him > >> from the > >> other quarry they operate. I can visit any time they are open. My overall > >> impression is that they won't let people in they don't already know. > >> While our > >> local club can get it without difficulty, other clubs have restrictions > >> in group > >> size (at least that was the case last year from what I heard). Of course, > >> I > >> don't abuse the privilege as much as I would like to collect there every > >> few > >> weeks! > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From s.l.haas at att.net Sat Feb 19 07:25:05 2005 From: s.l.haas at att.net (s.l.haas@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:25:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report Message-ID: <021920051525.29749.42175A500006798A0000743521602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> Thank you very much for trying! I sure can understand the problem, it's too bad but unfortunetly some have messed it up for others-that I guess is life! Sorry for the "bunch" of posts, my computer "sent" everytime I typed anything! -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" : -------------- > Hello, > > I heard from the manager Corydon Stone Comapny. Here is his reply: > > "We had a couple of problems with a couple of clubs, (individuals) last > year, we changed our policy last year and just quit letting them in the > quarry. It simply got out of hand, we were recieving calls daily about > wanting to come for a visit. We now only let a select few come to hunt. If > I let one club in it would not be fair to all." > > In a nutshell, the quarry is not open to individuals and geology clubs. Our > local organization is the only one that is allowed to collect here and > members are acutely aware that this is a privilege that is not to taken > lightly. I would ask that collectors please do not call them. There is a > chance that he will eventually allow for guided trips chaperoned by some of > the local club members in the future if the quarry personnel are left alone. > That is my hope, anyway... > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report > > > > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am a > > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always > > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a general > > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when > > someone might let a group in. Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Sat Feb 19 07:44:36 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sat Feb 19 07:44:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report References: <021920051525.29749.42175A500006798A0000743521602807419C0E0E08D204D29C@att.net> Message-ID: <133b01c51699$ea84db70$6402a8c0@remains> you know, you might want to thank the guy for at least trying!!! talk about people who can't show appreciation!!! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting report > Thank you very much for trying! I sure can understand the problem, it's > too bad but unfortunetly some have messed it up for others-that I guess is > life! > > Sorry for the "bunch" of posts, my computer "sent" everytime I typed > anything! > > -------------- Original message from "Alan Goldstein" > : -------------- > > >> Hello, >> >> I heard from the manager Corydon Stone Comapny. Here is his reply: >> >> "We had a couple of problems with a couple of clubs, (individuals) last >> year, we changed our policy last year and just quit letting them in the >> quarry. It simply got out of hand, we were recieving calls daily about >> wanting to come for a visit. We now only let a select few come to hunt. >> If >> I let one club in it would not be fair to all." >> >> In a nutshell, the quarry is not open to individuals and geology clubs. >> Our >> local organization is the only one that is allowed to collect here and >> members are acutely aware that this is a privilege that is not to taken >> lightly. I would ask that collectors please do not call them. There is a >> chance that he will eventually allow for guided trips chaperoned by some >> of >> the local club members in the future if the quarry personnel are left >> alone. >> That is my hope, anyway... >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] collecting report >> >> >> > Would it be possible to get information regarding who to contact? I am >> > a >> > member of 2 clubs (Toledo OH and Jackson MI) and we would are always >> > looking for new places to collect. If I could get the name and a >> > general >> > phone # of the quary I would give them a call. You never know when >> > someone might let a group in. Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Sat Feb 19 08:03:15 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Sat Feb 19 08:03:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossil shells with xtls Message-ID: <20050219160315.3E5A23384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Another link with a very good write-up http://www.vasichkominerals.com/Georgetown.html David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 10:15:44 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Feb 19 10:15:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Beryl Mine? Message-ID: <20050219181545.22696.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Henry: For the benefit of field collectors, is the Big Beryl mine in La Grange still in existance? Are there any other known pegmatites in that area which could be explored? I know it is quite a rural area, so it is unlikely to be built over yet... Mindat doesn't list Big Beryl in Troup Co, but does list: Troup Co. + Hogansville # Yellow Jacket Quarry + La Grange # Minerals Processing Company Mine (Foley Mine) + Old Salem # T. C. Floyd property + Unnamed locality Looks like there's more than one peg! Maybe "Unnamed locality" is really Big Beryl? [ Or maybe Big Beryl is a cousin (in-law) of mine...? ;) ] My sister-in-law's family is from there, and I could combine family responsibilities with collecting if... Thanks, JR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sat Feb 19 10:33:23 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sat Feb 19 10:33:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Message-ID: <410-220052619183323474@earthlink.net> Kreigh, That sounds like it works well. I have used something similar with a hydraulic press applying equal pressure applied to the top and bottom. For our club gem show every year we have a device used in the automotive industry that we have mounted on a couple of saw horses that uses a chain-like vise with a long handle. We use it for geode cracking. The chain wraps completely around the geode to be opened for a snug fit, with the operator lowering the long handle to apply equal amounts of pressure, thereby cracking the geode. This does not work very well with geodes less than 3 inches as they tend to get crushed. I think our club purchased this for around $200 (not sure). But, I still like the sledge and mason's brick hammer even though it takes longer with more work. You can crack your geodes while in the field and you can carry the tools around with you. Mark > [Original Message] > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Cc: > Date: 2/15/2005 11:49:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock > > Mark, > > When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. > > Open up the vise and tape the two triangle files to the faces, a flat > side of a file to the vise face. It helps if the files point in opposite > directions so their tapers offset each other. Center them along the > faces so their pointed edges line up and meet. > > You are going to use these two tool steel edges to split a rock on the > line/plane between them. A vise can apply a lot of pressure -- a rock > can be very tough; trying to split a rock thicker (in any dimension > between the edges) than 1/2 the width of the vise face could break a > vise (been there, done that...more than once; figure is by trial and > error -- I have not broken one at this limit yet); YMMV (your mileage > may vary). > > Wear eye protection. Splitting rock often propels shards. Be prepared > because the two sides of the split rock are liable to take off up and > down. (wrap the vise and rock in a towel). > > You might need/want to add a two or three foot length of pipe over the > vise handle to get easy leverage (that can be deceiving and break your > vise). Pounding on the handle with a hammer to tighten it also can help > break a stubborn rock. > > My experience is that about 5% of rocks fail to break on the desired > line, and about 10% crumble along the break line about half way and then > break. 5% are just too tough to break and you need to know when to give > up or you will break a vise. The rest are well behaved and break as > expected. > > Don't say I didn't warn you that you can break a vise trying this. But > it works most of the time, and you might want to consider trying it. > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Mark Easterbrook wrote: > > > > I'm too impatient to wait for a freeze-thaw on concretions or geodes. I > > use a mason's brick hammer with a 3-pound sledge hammer and score the rock > > across the face or all the way around until it cracks, which it always does > > (sometimes not the way I would like). This is obviously a little more work > > but the rewards are much quicker. > > > > Mark > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: John Siebel > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > > > > Date: 2/9/2005 5:02:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock > > > > > > Tim, Gene, > > > > > > I actually tried the freeze/thaw method when we lived in Portland. As you > > > know, it seldom gets cold enough there so I used my (tada!) freezer. I > > would > > > soak them in warm water then in and out of the freezer every few weeks. > > > Didn't have much luck with that (call me impatient) so I found that a > > quick, > > > judicious whack with a hammer usually opened them up nicely. > > > > > > I have also found some nice little fossils seeding the "mudballs". Thanks > > > for leaving them Tim! :) > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Fisher" > > > > > > > Congratulations, you found the freeze-thaw-freeze method of cracking > > crab > > > > concretions. Almost all the flattened, ovoid (as opposed to spherical, > > or > > > > nearly so, and cylindrical) concretions from K-M Mtn. are crabs (and I > > say > > > > almost just to include the possibility that one isn't - I have never > > > > collected a blank, flattened concretion from there). Most "in-the-know" > > > > collectors there leave the round "mudballs" in the ditch for "passers-by > > > > bait" - it keeps them off the good spots :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 19 12:31:08 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Feb 19 12:20:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete> Hi Van, Do you have a reference source for the attribution of, as you said, << "Supposedly, rose quartz crystals owe their color to P substitution for Si, while the large masses owe their coloration due to inclusions, particularly, but not exclusively, dumortierite. ..." ? I don't think I've heard that before, about P in rose quartz. Is there a published abstract or paper about this? Otherwise, you know, it stays just in the "heresay" category. Thanks, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol From BETDAV97 at aol.com Sat Feb 19 13:42:33 2005 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 19 13:42:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Texas Fossil Book Message-ID: <5CDF8C38.1406E0F9.0063F1E6@aol.com> Hi all, Thanks for the answers on the mine spelling in North Carolina. I just turned up a Collectors Guide to Fossil Sharks and Rays From the Cretaceous of Texas. I'm not sure who wanted it, I thought I had saved the e-mail, but if the person still wants a copy, please let me know. I'm not even sure if this is the correct book, because I can't remember the exact title from the old e-mail. Anyway, have a good weekend all, Dave From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Sat Feb 19 16:59:52 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 19 16:59:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossil shells with xtls Message-ID: <190.39f810a1.2f493b08@aol.com> Thanks David..I will check out this website also! I appreciate your time! Jackie In a message dated 2/19/05 11:03:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, rainforest1950@lycos.com writes: Another link with a very good write-up http://www.vasichkominerals.com/Georgetown.html David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From TomE61 at aol.com Sat Feb 19 19:47:21 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 19 19:47:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Endless Loop for Collecting Report Message-ID: <145.3fdb1431.2f496249@aol.com> Maybe its my imagination, but I think that the threads about "Collecting Report" have repeated more than sufficiently to get the point across. I'm thinking that there's either a bug in the reply portion of the software (which I doubt) or "haas" needs some guidance about posting MANY versions of the same response. Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 19 20:14:46 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 19 20:14:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Endless Loop for Collecting Report References: <145.3fdb1431.2f496249@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c51702$b71e8010$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> He already apologized for that...said his computer started sending every time he typed anything. Sounds weird, but presumably it's fixed now. Aloha, Kitty > > Maybe its my imagination, but I think that the threads about "Collecting > Report" have repeated more than sufficiently to get the point across. I'm > thinking that there's either a bug in the reply portion of the software > (which I > doubt) or "haas" needs some guidance about posting MANY versions of the > same > response. > > Tom Russell > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sat Feb 19 22:06:37 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sat Feb 19 22:06:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock Message-ID: <410-2200520206637483@earthlink.net> Axel, The XRF (X-Ray Fluorescence) I am vaguely familiar with requires licensing to use because of radioactive isotopes like potassium and cadmium that can be present depending on the instrument and what it is used for, not to mention x-rays. I know the spectroscope can be quite costly - perhaps $3,000 or more for a new one. You're right, maintenance costs can be quite high. I have sent out soil and rock samples to a specially equipped lab that uses XRF for a project that I worked on a few years ago. I think it was very generous of the individual to offer your club such a versatile instrument, though it does require training to use one especially with keeping safety in mind. Mark > [Original Message] > From: Axel Emmermann > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 2/17/2005 7:04:43 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock > > I hear you! > Our club was offered a working XRF-spectrometer a few years ago... we had to > decline because of the exorbitant maintenance cost and lack of space. > Needless to say we wept for a year straight. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: donderdag 17 februari 2005 5:41 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock > > > Maurice, > > My 'cracker' looks a lot like the second one, but still lets me use the > vise for more mundane purposes as it is temporary; I liked the first one > better. Thanks for the link. > > I wonder if anyone has considered converting a surplus metal stamping > press, or shear, into an 'industrial' splitter that you could house in > your garage? > > Used heavy industrial equipment often goes for scrap metal prices if you > will remove it. Moving a 20 ton press is the same magnitude issue as > moving a 20 ton boulder. (Is your spouse in agreement?) > > Sigh! We can always dream. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Maurice de Graaf wrote: > > > > The same monster Frank created??: > > > > http://www.strahlen.org/overig/krakers.htm > > > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, > > > albeit in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split > > > or that I don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a > > > petrified log). They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much > > > force to the handle as I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) > > > > > > At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > > > > > >> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > >> > > >>> Mark, > > >>> When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > > >>> 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. > > >> > > >> > > >> Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a > > >> splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at > > >> reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of > > >> stress. > > >> > > >> Don > > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 20 05:30:51 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 20 05:31:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock In-Reply-To: <410-2200520206637483@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark, these isotopes are still used for X-ray dispersion crystallographic analysis. For XRF mostly lamps are used. These lamps are ceramic high vacuum tubes (60.000 volts, basically more a linear particle accelerator than a lamp ;-))) The electron beam in the lamp crashes onto a target (mostly gold or rhodium) of which the atoms' Ka and Kb electrons are kicked of (among others). Upon recombination, these electrons generate a flux of X-rays that is used in the measurements. Typically a XRF will set you back 100.000 euros (130.700 US$). The lamp alone costs about 20.000 $ and has to be replaced after a fixed number of usage hours. Typically after about a year of constant use. Intermittent use puts more strain on the lamp and shortens it's lifespan quite disproportionately. Obviously, this is not feasible for a modal mineral club... no even a relatively large one like the MKA. Since modern XRF uses a lamp rather than depend on isotopes for generating X-rays, safety has become less of an issue. Typically, these X-rays travel only a few centimeters through air. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Mark Easterbrook Verzonden: zondag 20 februari 2005 7:07 Aan: rockhounds Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock Axel, The XRF (X-Ray Fluorescence) I am vaguely familiar with requires licensing to use because of radioactive isotopes like potassium and cadmium that can be present depending on the instrument and what it is used for, not to mention x-rays. I know the spectroscope can be quite costly - perhaps $3,000 or more for a new one. You're right, maintenance costs can be quite high. I have sent out soil and rock samples to a specially equipped lab that uses XRF for a project that I worked on a few years ago. I think it was very generous of the individual to offer your club such a versatile instrument, though it does require training to use one especially with keeping safety in mind. Mark > [Original Message] > From: Axel Emmermann > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 2/17/2005 7:04:43 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock > > I hear you! > Our club was offered a working XRF-spectrometer a few years ago... we had to > decline because of the exorbitant maintenance cost and lack of space. > Needless to say we wept for a year straight. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: donderdag 17 februari 2005 5:41 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Breaking rock > > > Maurice, > > My 'cracker' looks a lot like the second one, but still lets me use the > vise for more mundane purposes as it is temporary; I liked the first one > better. Thanks for the link. > > I wonder if anyone has considered converting a surplus metal stamping > press, or shear, into an 'industrial' splitter that you could house in > your garage? > > Used heavy industrial equipment often goes for scrap metal prices if you > will remove it. Moving a 20 ton press is the same magnitude issue as > moving a 20 ton boulder. (Is your spouse in agreement?) > > Sigh! We can always dream. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Maurice de Graaf wrote: > > > > The same monster Frank created??: > > > > http://www.strahlen.org/overig/krakers.htm > > > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > I use a cheap bottle jack from Shucks to break rocks all the time, > > > albeit in the field when I want to break a piece off that won't split > > > or that I don't want to whack on (e.g. breaking off a segment of a > > > petrified log). They don't seem to mind, and I have applied as much > > > force to the handle as I can manage with a 3 foot iron pipe :) > > > > > > At 03:32 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > > > > > >> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > >> > > >>> Mark, > > >>> When I am cracking geodes, or splitting/trimming specimens, I use a > > >>> 'nutcracker' made from a big vise, two triangle files, and some tape. > > >> > > >> > > >> Very cool. Has anyone tried using a car or truck jack to make a > > >> splitter? When I am in Home Depot, I see some pretty sturdy jacks at > > >> reasonable prices. I wonder if they will hold up under that kind of > > >> stress. > > >> > > >> Don > > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dri.anna at verizon.net Sun Feb 20 14:27:45 2005 From: dri.anna at verizon.net (Dri-Anna) Date: Sun Feb 20 14:27:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! References: Message-ID: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> Todd: Would have loved to watch the Video. BUT! I would never-ever install the Adware/Spyware laden' Real Player on my Computer. Real Player has been that way since its' introduction and it appears they are never going to take care of the problem, even though they say they have. Pity..... Dri-Anna Davis WA - USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "GeoAmerica TV" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > The streaming video preview teaser for the documentary "RockHounds: The > Movie" is online. You can watch it on the website: > > http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com > > You'll need Real Player to view the video. > > We welcome any feedback. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks! > > Todd Kent > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tim at orerockon.com Sun Feb 20 16:14:43 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Feb 20 16:14:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! In-Reply-To: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> References: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050220161301.030944c8@mail.spiritone.com> You can simply choose not to install the junk that comes with realplayer. The player itself has no spyware/adware. If you don't like the scheduler which _could possibly_ collect personal information about you then you can simply remove the file that it calls on startup. At 02:27 PM 2/20/2005, you wrote: >Todd: >Would have loved to watch the Video. BUT! I would never-ever install the >Adware/Spyware laden' Real Player on my Computer. Real Player has been >that way since its' introduction and it appears they are never going to >take care of the problem, even though they say they have. Pity..... >Dri-Anna Davis >WA - USA > >----- Original Message ----- From: "GeoAmerica TV" >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:21 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > > >>The streaming video preview teaser for the documentary "RockHounds: The >>Movie" is online. You can watch it on the website: >> >>http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com >> >>You'll need Real Player to view the video. >> >>We welcome any feedback. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks! >> >>Todd Kent >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? >>Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Feb 20 16:23:59 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Feb 20 16:24:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050220161301.030944c8@mail.spiritone.com> References: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> <6.2.1.2.2.20050220161301.030944c8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: There is an alternative viewer too: realalt128.exe, do a goggle search for it. Personaly I think that anyone who posts a video in real format doesn't want people to watch it since 96% of people use windows. And if they don't want to use windows .wmv there are other formats like mpeg. which are universal. Bryan On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:14:43 -0800, Tim Fisher wrote: > You can simply choose not to install the junk that comes with realplayer. > The player itself has no spyware/adware. If you don't like the scheduler > which _could possibly_ collect personal information about you then you can > simply remove the file that it calls on startup. > > At 02:27 PM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > > >Todd: > >Would have loved to watch the Video. BUT! I would never-ever install the > >Adware/Spyware laden' Real Player on my Computer. Real Player has been > >that way since its' introduction and it appears they are never going to > >take care of the problem, even though they say they have. Pity..... > >Dri-Anna Davis > >WA - USA > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "GeoAmerica TV" > >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:21 AM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > > > > > >>The streaming video preview teaser for the documentary "RockHounds: The > >>Movie" is online. You can watch it on the website: > >> > >>http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com > >> > >>You'll need Real Player to view the video. > >> > >>We welcome any feedback. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks! > >> > >>Todd Kent > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > >>Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From afox at drizzle.com Sun Feb 20 17:03:09 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:03:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050220161301.030944c8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Sigh. Apologies for the OT post. Use Media Player Classic http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli Alternatively, download Real Alternative 1.30 and give it a try http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm Note, I have not tried this myself, as I have similar feelings about RealMedia codecs/content/corporate politics. a. > You can simply choose not to install the junk that comes with realplayer. > The player itself has no spyware/adware. If you don't like the scheduler > which _could possibly_ collect personal information about you then you can > simply remove the file that it calls on startup. > > At 02:27 PM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > > >Todd: > >Would have loved to watch the Video. BUT! I would never-ever install the > >Adware/Spyware laden' Real Player on my Computer. Real Player has been > >that way since its' introduction and it appears they are never going to > >take care of the problem, even though they say they have. Pity..... > >Dri-Anna Davis > >WA - USA > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "GeoAmerica TV" > >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:21 AM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > > > > > >>The streaming video preview teaser for the documentary "RockHounds: The > >>Movie" is online. You can watch it on the website: > >> > >>http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com > >> > >>You'll need Real Player to view the video. > >> > >>We welcome any feedback. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks! > >> > >>Todd Kent > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > >>Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Feb 20 17:38:27 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:40:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go on and watch it. References: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> <6.2.1.2.2.20050220161301.030944c8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> I've had all versions of RealPlayer and have no problems with adware/spyware from it, just websites my grandkids play games on. BEWARE of GATOR tho, it's an addon program that sneaks in with a lot of freeware. Very hard to get rid of unless you know how to edit your registry and/or find the hidden install files. A spyware/adware remover is getting to be a must-have just like an up to date virus program. We had a great time this weekend collecting a bucket full of Alabama agate. And I found a great fossil fern impression in a rock. My first!! Jeanette From SMKELL45 at aol.com Sun Feb 20 17:48:16 2005 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:48:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano Message-ID: <1a5.31859aa5.2f4a97e0@aol.com> I just bought a specimen of Obsidian on E-bay. The interesting part were the spherical objects embedded in the Glass. They are a little less than an inch in diameter, smooth and whitish on the outside. The broken ones have a radiating crystalline structure originating from its center. They fluoresce a darkish red in the sw. I initially thought of Cristobalite but someone who has collected in the Medicine Lake, California area was not so sure. Any ideas? smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 20 20:37:33 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 20 20:26:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano References: <1a5.31859aa5.2f4a97e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c517cf$102a3d80$26a5490c@pete> Probably others who are specifically familiar with the Medicine Lake obsidian may answer this, but I have seen similar white radiating spherules in obsidian from the Jemez Mountains, New Mexico. These had often been labelled as cristobalite, but my understanding is (and I think I may have once done XRD on some myself, or if not, I know that others did), that they are an intergrowth of sanidine and cristobalite. The sanidine (feldspar) probably accounts for the dark red fluorescence--feldspars often (not always) fluorescence, usually in shades of red, whereas cristobalite probably does not. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano > I just bought a specimen of Obsidian on E-bay. The interesting part were > the spherical objects embedded in the Glass. They are a little less than an > inch in diameter, smooth and whitish on the outside. The broken ones have a > radiating crystalline structure originating from its center. They fluoresce a > darkish red in the sw. I initially thought of Cristobalite but someone who has > collected in the Medicine Lake, California area was not so sure. Any ideas? > smkell > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Feb 20 22:59:13 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Sun Feb 20 22:59:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Agate Calendar & Weather Message-ID: <421986C1.6000207@cox.net> While in Tucson, my friends at Diamond pacific delightedly showed me the Munich Agate Show Calendar for 2005. It is the most breathtaking photos of Agates I have ever seen. Perhaps some of you have seen it and can also comment. I wish I had the opportunity to buy one. Try to get a look see, it is eye candy for the connoisseur. (sp?) I am going through stored messages to reduce my inbox. I have just read through those around Thanksgiving where Kitty mentioned a lightening storm. Well, let me tell you about our most recent, of many storms. In each of the last two days there have been tornadoes here in Sunny Southern California, the first a scant 10 miles from my home in Oceanside. Electrical storms are so unusual, perhaps one every other year. I have never felt the need to shut down my computer to protect it. Couple of nights ago, the sky was at times like daylight. Thunder roared far louder than the 500 pound bombs dropped at USMC Camp Pendleton. My windows rattled and the rain pelted the house on all sides. My recently installed hard wood floors have suffered rain intrusion, I hope they dry out with little residual damage. Roly Poly's are taking up residence daily in my bathtub, second floor. Cannot see how they are getting in, but they are committing suicide. We are in the juncture of warm tropical wet storms coming up from the South, clashing with Arctic storms from the North. No fun at all. For a drought area, we suddenly are looking at a Lake spilling over and threatening the homes below. It was only partially full at the beginning of this wet season. By midnight tonight another 2-3 inches are predicted before daybreak. Yes we are setting records. Yes I did shut down the computer, this after the lamp went off and then on. I still love it here, it is next to paradise. Staying inside for the next few storms, Terrie From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 21 01:45:40 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 21 01:46:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go on andwatch it. In-Reply-To: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeanette, it's not because you are no aware of the problems these things cause that you don't have any! Most of the freeware nowadays that used to be shareware) is covertly sponsored by a bundle of programs that send out personal stuff like: which sites do you visit most often, do you order online, your address book (the worst ones: address books are worth mucho dineros to mass mailing companies). My firewall and internet security kills most of the outgoing data but running Ad Aware and SpyBot always reveal new threats. It's high time that someone extended the war against terrorism to the internet. Nothing is free! A free "search bar" of "free smileys" should be met with extreme caution because they usually hide things like "wheatherforecast" and indeed "gator". I once installed a translation utility from Babelsomething... a month thereafter I had to install my first anti-spam software. That's how it works ;-)))) Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 2:38 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go on andwatch it. I've had all versions of RealPlayer and have no problems with adware/spyware from it, just websites my grandkids play games on. BEWARE of GATOR tho, it's an addon program that sneaks in with a lot of freeware. Very hard to get rid of unless you know how to edit your registry and/or find the hidden install files. A spyware/adware remover is getting to be a must-have just like an up to date virus program. We had a great time this weekend collecting a bucket full of Alabama agate. And I found a great fossil fern impression in a rock. My first!! Jeanette _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 04:29:41 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Feb 21 04:29:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go on andwatch it. In-Reply-To: References: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Yeah, once you install realplayer you'd better download some anti-spyware software. You may only notice that your computer runs slower and slower and starts crashing frequently. MS is giving away the top rated antispyware right now and if you don't have a good package then you should download it: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx I used the freeware Adaware and Search and Destroy for years but recent tests have shown that they are not keeping up with the flood of new spyware. I run both webroot and the MS antispyware. Bryan On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:40 +0100, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi Jeanette, > > it's not because you are no aware of the problems these things cause that > you don't have any! > Most of the freeware nowadays that used to be shareware) is covertly > sponsored by a bundle of programs that send out personal stuff like: which > sites do you visit most often, do you order online, your address book (the > worst ones: address books are worth mucho dineros to mass mailing > companies). My firewall and internet security kills most of the outgoing > data but running Ad Aware and SpyBot always reveal new threats. > It's high time that someone extended the war against terrorism to the > internet. > Nothing is free! A free "search bar" of "free smileys" should be met with > extreme caution because they usually hide things like "wheatherforecast" and > indeed "gator". > I once installed a translation utility from Babelsomething... a month > thereafter I had to install my first anti-spam software. That's how it works > ;-)))) > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 2:38 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go > on andwatch it. > > > I've had all versions of RealPlayer and have no problems with adware/spyware > from it, just websites my grandkids play games on. BEWARE of GATOR tho, > it's an addon program that sneaks in with a lot of freeware. Very hard to > get rid of unless you know how to edit your registry and/or find the hidden > install files. A spyware/adware remover is getting to be a must-have just > like an up to date virus program. > We had a great time this weekend collecting a bucket full of Alabama agate. > And I found a great fossil fern impression in a rock. My first!! > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Mon Feb 21 05:01:58 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Mon Feb 21 05:03:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete> Message-ID: <000701c51815$88eeac10$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> If you would like a reference which is in your home library, try Mineralogical Record, January-February 2001 by Hidimichi Hori. Also, Bernard and Hyrsyl in their new book, Minerals and Their Localities, indicate that the coupled substitution, P & Al <-> Si is the coloring agent in rose quartz crystals. I could head over to the library and give you more explicit references. I thought this was generally well known, however. Van -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 From hbarwood at troyst.edu Mon Feb 21 05:53:42 2005 From: hbarwood at troyst.edu (Henry Barwood) Date: Mon Feb 21 05:54:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Beryl Mine? In-Reply-To: <20050219181545.22696.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi JR, The Big Beryl, Hogg and Minerals Processing Company mines are all the same mine. The mine still exists, but housing developments are going up all around it and it is unlikely to be around in the future. Not that it is much right now. The place has been essentially abandoned since the early 1970's. The quartz core was 90% removed then, and beryl has been rare there for 30+ years. The mine has a checkered history and, frankly, is a victim of massive hype, IMHO, regarding the quantity and quality of aquamarine and rose quartz produced there. I've seen some nice material taken out in the early days, but the amount of high quality aqua recovered would probably fit in one hand (!). There are hundreds of stories about "truckloads" of aqua, but most of them are not only unverifiable, but constitute a "rural legend". Access to the mine has been near impossible to get over the last few decades. The area is used for hunting, and storage of a vast amount of old rotting mining equipment. There are three other pegmatites in the area that produce beryl and rose quartz, but they are mostly in as bad shape at the old Hogg is. Henry Henry Barwood Associate Professor of Science, Earth Science Department of Math and Physics MSCX 312G Troy University Troy, Alabama 36082 hbarwood@troy.edu -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of J. R. Hodel Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:16 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Beryl Mine? Hi Henry: For the benefit of field collectors, is the Big Beryl mine in La Grange still in existance? Are there any other known pegmatites in that area which could be explored? I know it is quite a rural area, so it is unlikely to be built over yet... Mindat doesn't list Big Beryl in Troup Co, but does list: Troup Co. + Hogansville # Yellow Jacket Quarry + La Grange # Minerals Processing Company Mine (Foley Mine) + Old Salem # T. C. Floyd property + Unnamed locality Looks like there's more than one peg! Maybe "Unnamed locality" is really Big Beryl? [ Or maybe Big Beryl is a cousin (in-law) of mine...? ;) ] My sister-in-law's family is from there, and I could combine family responsibilities with collecting if... Thanks, JR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geoamerica at hotmail.com Mon Feb 21 07:08:07 2005 From: geoamerica at hotmail.com (GeoAmerica TV) Date: Mon Feb 21 07:10:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Message-ID: Yes, I know that there are some issues with real player but unfortunately it's the only type of streaming we were set up to do initially. However, we are in the porcess of putting the teaser on the website in a different format so people can have different options on how to watch it. Hopefully it will make it easier for everyone. Thanks, Kent Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:27:45 -0800 From: "Dri-Anna" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Todd: Would have loved to watch the Video. BUT! I would never-ever install the Adware/Spyware laden' Real Player on my Computer. Real Player has been that way since its' introduction and it appears they are never going to take care of the problem, even though they say they have. Pity..... Dri-Anna Davis WA - USA _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From morningstar at att.net Mon Feb 21 07:21:51 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Mon Feb 21 07:17:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4219FC8F.2040504@att.net> GeoAmerica TV wrote: > Yes, I know that there are some issues with real player but > unfortunately it's the only type of streaming we were set up to do > initially. Hi, What is the general purpose of this video? Is it expected to show on TV? To what audience is it geared? Don From rocks4u at prodigy.net Mon Feb 21 07:15:31 2005 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Mon Feb 21 07:19:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! References: Message-ID: <006c01c51828$2f5b05a0$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> The Teaser was GREAT! I hope the movie is available soon. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "GeoAmerica TV" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > Yes, I know that there are some issues with real player but unfortunately > it's the only type of streaming we were set up to do initially. However, > we are in the porcess of putting the teaser on the website in a different > format so people can have different options on how to watch it. Hopefully > it will make it easier for everyone. Thanks, > > Kent > > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:27:45 -0800 > From: "Dri-Anna" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <00f901c5179b$66e79570$6401a8c0@Dri> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=response > > Todd: > Would have loved to watch the Video. BUT! I would never-ever install the > Adware/Spyware laden' Real Player on my Computer. Real Player has been > that > way since its' introduction and it appears they are never going to take > care > of the problem, even though they say they have. Pity..... > Dri-Anna Davis > WA - USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 21 07:30:06 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Mon Feb 21 07:19:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx><007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete> <000701c51815$88eeac10$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <002301c5182a$398d9400$8ba4490c@pete> Thanks, Van, I'll look at what was in that MR by H. Hori. If I'd read this (about P subst.), I'd forgotten it. I'd only remembered about the recent papers reporting dumortierite as the submicroscopic inclusions causing pink color in (some?) massive rose quartz. I have a little one-page handout sheet that I prepare and periodically update that's among the things I distribute at mineral shows, to teachers, etc., about "Quartz", and I include a few notes on it about the causes of color--I'd like to keep it up to date & accurate. Sincerely, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol > If you would like a reference which is in your home library, try > Mineralogical Record, January-February 2001 by Hidimichi Hori. Also, Bernard > and Hyrsyl in their new book, Minerals and Their Localities, indicate that > the coupled substitution, P & Al <-> Si is the coloring agent in rose quartz > crystals. > > I could head over to the library and give you more explicit references. I > thought this was generally well known, however. > > Van > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 21 08:26:20 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Feb 21 08:24:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore References: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <007c01c51832$158e35c0$de844c0c@fekib> Recently I was contacted by a mining engineer in Turkey wanting to sell diaspore crystals. I have been working with minerals for more years than I care to admit, but I must say that I don't recall ever having seen diaspore in large, well formed crystals. I have seen many under the petrographic microscope, but these were BIG. One mass was as big as a washtub (what, you don't remember washtubs?) , and he offered many smaller, terminated, clear crystals. The locality wasn't given, but Dana cites the Urals between Russia and Turkey as a source. Has anyone had experience with diaspore as large crystals? Am I wrong to think that this is a quite rare occurance? (I can give this sellers name and e-mail off line to anyone interested.) Larry Rush Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 21 08:36:14 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 21 08:36:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore In-Reply-To: <007c01c51832$158e35c0$de844c0c@fekib> Message-ID: Larry, I found this locality on mindat... Sel?uk, Mugla Province, Aegean Region, Turkey Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lawrence Rush Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 17:26 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Diaspore Recently I was contacted by a mining engineer in Turkey wanting to sell diaspore crystals. I have been working with minerals for more years than I care to admit, but I must say that I don't recall ever having seen diaspore in large, well formed crystals. I have seen many under the petrographic microscope, but these were BIG. One mass was as big as a washtub (what, you don't remember washtubs?) , and he offered many smaller, terminated, clear crystals. The locality wasn't given, but Dana cites the Urals between Russia and Turkey as a source. Has anyone had experience with diaspore as large crystals? Am I wrong to think that this is a quite rare occurance? (I can give this sellers name and e-mail off line to anyone interested.) Larry Rush Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 21 08:39:08 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 21 08:39:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go onandwatch it. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Bryan, I just did a check with this beta AFTER running a full Spybot scan. It came up with no less than 5 threats, 3 of them high risk. This seems to be a good acquisition. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 13:30 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go onandwatch it. Yeah, once you install realplayer you'd better download some anti-spyware software. You may only notice that your computer runs slower and slower and starts crashing frequently. MS is giving away the top rated antispyware right now and if you don't have a good package then you should download it: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx I used the freeware Adaware and Search and Destroy for years but recent tests have shown that they are not keeping up with the flood of new spyware. I run both webroot and the MS antispyware. Bryan On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:40 +0100, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi Jeanette, > > it's not because you are no aware of the problems these things cause that > you don't have any! > Most of the freeware nowadays that used to be shareware) is covertly > sponsored by a bundle of programs that send out personal stuff like: which > sites do you visit most often, do you order online, your address book (the > worst ones: address books are worth mucho dineros to mass mailing > companies). My firewall and internet security kills most of the outgoing > data but running Ad Aware and SpyBot always reveal new threats. > It's high time that someone extended the war against terrorism to the > internet. > Nothing is free! A free "search bar" of "free smileys" should be met with > extreme caution because they usually hide things like "wheatherforecast" and > indeed "gator". > I once installed a translation utility from Babelsomething... a month > thereafter I had to install my first anti-spam software. That's how it works > ;-)))) > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 2:38 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go > on andwatch it. > > > I've had all versions of RealPlayer and have no problems with adware/spyware > from it, just websites my grandkids play games on. BEWARE of GATOR tho, > it's an addon program that sneaks in with a lot of freeware. Very hard to > get rid of unless you know how to edit your registry and/or find the hidden > install files. A spyware/adware remover is getting to be a must-have just > like an up to date virus program. > We had a great time this weekend collecting a bucket full of Alabama agate. > And I found a great fossil fern impression in a rock. My first!! > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From SMKELL45 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 09:23:22 2005 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 21 09:23:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano Message-ID: <1e0.36314dc2.2f4b730a@aol.com> This spherical material in the fast cooling rhyolitic obsidian makes sense as being at least partly Sanidine It's stable at about 900 C. Also., looking at the ebay vender's description , it did say " alkali feldspar" , I think, so they were thinking in the same direction as are you. Next question, were these spheres of cristobalite- sanidine formed before or after extrusion. They are relatively large so I would think it would take a while to form but there is no evidence, to the hand lens, and up to about 90 power microscope that there is any Sio2 crystalization in the obsidian- it's regular glass. Also the few spheres in my sample are round and not distorted , as might be if a very viscous lava . ??? smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Feb 21 10:10:25 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 21 10:12:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore References: Message-ID: <005301c51840$9df52730$6400a8c0@Junior> Yep, Turkish diaspore is legit. I bought a small parcel from a gem dealer, 4 out of 5 were broken, even though I specifically stated I only wanted good terminated xls. Even the broken xl sections were still impressive, very gemmy. I think these get up to about 5cm or more, clearly the best in the world and really quite unusual. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ------------------------------------ Has anyone had experience with diaspore as large crystals? Am I wrong to think that this is a quite rare occurance? (I can give this sellers name and e-mail off line to anyone interested.) Larry Rush From herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be Mon Feb 21 10:23:14 2005 From: herwig.pelckmans at pandora.be (herwig pelckmans) Date: Mon Feb 21 10:27:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore References: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <007c01c51832$158e35c0$de844c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <008701c51842$68f93d80$3aa0e0d5@telenet.be> Larry and all, Steve Perry had about 10 excellent twinned crystals of diaspore from Turkey in his booth at the Tucson Show this year. Unfortunately I did not take a picture of them. These were by far the best diaspore crystals I had ever seen, quite lustrous, gemmy and nicely twinned ... and above all @ fair prices... Some might still be available... you can reach him at steve@steveperrygems.com to find out. And no, (unfortunately ;-) ) I don't get a percentage of his sales, but I do know his booth is always worth a visit !! Cheers, Herwig from Belgium Herwig Pelckmans Worldwide Mineral Collector Cardijnstraat 12 B-3530 Helchteren Belgium Europe http://www.xlizd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore Recently I was contacted by a mining engineer in Turkey wanting to sell diaspore crystals. I have been working with minerals for more years than I care to admit, but I must say that I don't recall ever having seen diaspore in large, well formed crystals. I have seen many under the petrographic microscope, but these were BIG. One mass was as big as a washtub (what, you don't remember washtubs?) , and he offered many smaller, terminated, clear crystals. The locality wasn't given, but Dana cites the Urals between Russia and Turkey as a source. Has anyone had experience with diaspore as large crystals? Am I wrong to think that this is a quite rare occurance? (I can give this sellers name and e-mail off line to anyone interested.) Larry Rush Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 21 12:28:17 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Mon Feb 21 12:17:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore References: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <007c01c51832$158e35c0$de844c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <005601c51853$e11f3c40$8ba4490c@pete> I have seen the gemmy diaspore crystals from Turkey, for sale by dealers in Tucson, over quite a few years in the past. I'm not sure I recall precisely, but I think I've seen crystal blades up to at least two inches in size, and the gemmy crystals like this have always been fairly expensive. Minerals and Their Localities, by Bernard and Hyrsl (I just bought a copy in Tucson--quite a good book, even if it is very $$$$), lists pale yellow to pale green transparent tabular crystals to 12 cm at Milas, near Mugla, Menderes massif, Mugla vilayet, and Saleuck, Izmir vilayet, Turkey, and it shows a picture of them, too. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Diaspore Recently I was contacted by a mining engineer in Turkey wanting to sell diaspore crystals. I have been working with minerals for more years than I care to admit, but I must say that I don't recall ever having seen diaspore in large, well formed crystals. I have seen many under the petrographic microscope, but these were BIG. One mass was as big as a washtub (what, you don't remember washtubs?) , and he offered many smaller, terminated, clear crystals. The locality wasn't given, but Dana cites the Urals between Russia and Turkey as a source. Has anyone had experience with diaspore as large crystals? Am I wrong to think that this is a quite rare occurance? (I can give this sellers name and e-mail off line to anyone interested.) Larry Rush Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Feb 21 13:27:57 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Mon Feb 21 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go on andwatch it. References: Message-ID: <421A525D.9060506@cox.net> Axel, I bless my Mac every day. Terrie From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 21 19:41:36 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 21 19:37:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx><007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete> <000701c51815$88eeac10$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <002301c5182a$398d9400$8ba4490c@pete> Message-ID: <421AA8FA.4BF0@Tomaszewski.net> Van, I've read the papers on dumortierite and found them quite convincing since they also explained why rose quartz crystal formation is prevented. I have not heard of the P subst. stuff before. Makes me wonder if massive rose quartz is really one mineral, and the crystals are really another. Was the P subst. study done on crystals? The dumortierite study was on massive. Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Thanks, Van, I'll look at what was in that MR by H. Hori. If I'd read this > (about P subst.), I'd forgotten it. I'd only remembered about the recent > papers reporting dumortierite as the submicroscopic inclusions causing pink > color in (some?) massive rose quartz. > > I have a little one-page handout sheet that I prepare and periodically > update that's among the things I distribute at mineral shows, to teachers, > etc., about "Quartz", and I include a few notes on it about the causes of > color--I'd like to keep it up to date & accurate. > > Sincerely, Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Van" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol > > > If you would like a reference which is in your home library, try > > Mineralogical Record, January-February 2001 by Hidimichi Hori. Also, > Bernard > > and Hyrsyl in their new book, Minerals and Their Localities, indicate that > > the coupled substitution, P & Al <-> Si is the coloring agent in rose > quartz > > crystals. > > > > I could head over to the library and give you more explicit references. I > > thought this was generally well known, however. > > > > Van From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 21 21:46:59 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:49:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: Beware Spyware References: Message-ID: <002b01c518a1$edb9b860$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> > it's not because you are no aware of the problems these things cause that > you don't have any! Exactly, it's because I AM aware of all the sneaky things that I tend not to have these problems. At least I try to catch them before they can become big problems. > companies). My firewall and internet security kills most of the outgoing > data but running Ad Aware and SpyBot always reveal new threats. I used to use AdAware, but after researching the efficiency of Ad Aware vs a lot of other spyware programs, I bit the bullet and bought a better one. XoftSpy. It caught a hundred more spywares and data miners, after running Ad Aware. And it updates itself automatically, like my VirusScan Online from McAfee does. McAfee is supposed to catch spyware also, but it missed several that XoftSpy caught. I run XoftSpy everyday at 1am, and it still comes up with something. The day after the kids have been here, the hits are up to about 100. From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 21 21:50:52 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:53:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie References: <005301c517b6$0b008f80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003101c518a2$783d9ec0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Yeah, but I see that it's only for Windows XP, and I don't want to "sidegrade" to XP. I'm happy with my Win98!! Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go onandwatch it. > Yeah, once you install realplayer you'd better download some > anti-spyware software. You may only notice that your computer runs > slower and slower and starts crashing frequently. MS is giving away > the top rated antispyware right now and if you don't have a good > package then you should download it: > > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx > > I used the freeware Adaware and Search and Destroy for years but > recent tests have shown that they are not keeping up with the flood of > new spyware. I run both webroot and the MS antispyware. > > Bryan > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:40 +0100, Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > Hi Jeanette, > > > > it's not because you are no aware of the problems these things cause that > > you don't have any! > > Most of the freeware nowadays that used to be shareware) is covertly > > sponsored by a bundle of programs that send out personal stuff like: which > > sites do you visit most often, do you order online, your address book (the > > worst ones: address books are worth mucho dineros to mass mailing > > companies). My firewall and internet security kills most of the outgoing > > data but running Ad Aware and SpyBot always reveal new threats. > > It's high time that someone extended the war against terrorism to the > > internet. > > Nothing is free! A free "search bar" of "free smileys" should be met with > > extreme caution because they usually hide things like "wheatherforecast" and > > indeed "gator". > > I once installed a translation utility from Babelsomething... a month > > thereafter I had to install my first anti-spam software. That's how it works > > ;-)))) > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > > Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 2:38 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Go > > on andwatch it. > > > > > > I've had all versions of RealPlayer and have no problems with adware/spyware > > from it, just websites my grandkids play games on. BEWARE of GATOR tho, > > it's an addon program that sneaks in with a lot of freeware. Very hard to > > get rid of unless you know how to edit your registry and/or find the hidden > > install files. A spyware/adware remover is getting to be a must-have just > > like an up to date virus program. > > We had a great time this weekend collecting a bucket full of Alabama agate. > > And I found a great fossil fern impression in a rock. My first!! > > Jeanette > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Lapadary at aol.com Mon Feb 21 22:00:51 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 21 22:00:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:53:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, geenet2@mchsi.com writes: Yeah, but I see that it's only for Windows XP, and I don't want to "sidegrade" to XP. I'm happy with my Win98!! Jeanette Get Ad-Aware. It is free, judst as good, and works well with 98. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 21 22:34:55 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 21 22:37:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie References: Message-ID: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> I did use Ad Aware for years.....even tried the Plus version. I had some stuff Ad Aware could not find, so I bought a better spyware program. Ad Aware is good for a free program, but isn't adequate anymore. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie > In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:53:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > geenet2@mchsi.com writes: > > Yeah, but I see that it's only for Windows XP, and I don't want to > "sidegrade" to XP. I'm happy with my Win98!! > Jeanette > > > Get Ad-Aware. It is free, judst as good, and works well with 98. > > Grant > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From erongo at mweb.co.za Mon Feb 21 23:44:24 2005 From: erongo at mweb.co.za (Willie Steyn) Date: Mon Feb 21 23:44:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie References: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000b01c518b2$551c4ad0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> I`m also using Ad Aware and Spybot , what the one misses the other picks up. I tried the others on the market and even Xoftspy a couple of weeks ago. We found that at the end Xoftspy shows you about 9 items that it found on your machine , we then transferred it to the laptop and ran it after Spybot and Ad Aware had cleaned the machine , it came up with the exact same list. Two hours later and having gone through the registry with a fine comb , not one of the reported scares were found. Xoftspy does not tell you where the supposed spyware is located on the machine. The same happened with other spyware removers. The only explanation is that most of these so called "spyware " removers make up a list of imaginable spyware on your machine to pressure you to buy the package. Between Spybot and Ad Aware you will have a winning combination. This is a personal observation on our side and maybe other people will prove us wrong , but so far it is working perfectly. Greetings Willem jnr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie >I did use Ad Aware for years.....even tried the Plus version. > I had some stuff Ad Aware could not find, so I bought a better spyware > program. Ad Aware is good for a free program, but isn't adequate anymore. > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie > > >> In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:53:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> geenet2@mchsi.com writes: >> >> Yeah, but I see that it's only for Windows XP, and I don't want to >> "sidegrade" to XP. I'm happy with my Win98!! >> Jeanette >> >> >> Get Ad-Aware. It is free, judst as good, and works well with 98. >> >> Grant >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 22 02:23:40 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 22 02:23:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Goon andwatch it. In-Reply-To: <421A525D.9060506@cox.net> Message-ID: Terrie >I bless my Mac every day. And a long prayer to St.Jobs? ;-))))))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens T.A.Masters Verzonden: maandag 21 februari 2005 22:28 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Goon andwatch it. Axel, I bless my Mac every day. Terrie _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 22 02:47:41 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 22 02:47:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie In-Reply-To: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: As said before... none of the goodies are free anymore. Everybody seems to be hitch-hiking a ride on the bandwagon of anti-Spam and internet security these days. Also: some unsavory characters are keeping up with technology in order to breach your security. My son's PC suffered a serious injection of something called "about blanc" a few months ago. It's a hijacker that prevents you from going anywhere on the net but one single web-page. Norton can't stop it and until recently there was no cure for it. Then I found AdAwareAway. Mind you: 30$ per computer (there are 5 PC's in my family. Luckily only one infected) but it did the job. Then there's this free stuff: "Hitman Pro". It's a Dutch program that bundles Adaware, Spybot, and a dozen or so other malware killers. It is so effective that (if you don't exclude some stuff) literally ALL browser helpers, legitimate cookies and things your PC really needs are swept from the system. Leaving it slow, erratic or dead. It finds extremely well hidden spyware but you have to know what you are doing or suffer the consequences. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: dinsdag 22 februari 2005 7:35 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie I did use Ad Aware for years.....even tried the Plus version. I had some stuff Ad Aware could not find, so I bought a better spyware program. Ad Aware is good for a free program, but isn't adequate anymore. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie > In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:53:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > geenet2@mchsi.com writes: > > Yeah, but I see that it's only for Windows XP, and I don't want to > "sidegrade" to XP. I'm happy with my Win98!! > Jeanette > > > Get Ad-Aware. It is free, judst as good, and works well with 98. > > Grant > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Tue Feb 22 08:38:03 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Feb 22 08:38:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie In-Reply-To: <000b01c518b2$551c4ad0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> References: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <000b01c518b2$551c4ad0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222083613.02d8dd30@mail.spiritone.com> I tried the MS beta yesterday after running Spybot, AdAware, and Pest Patrol (all paid versions). It found ELEVEN trojans and browser hijackers that the others knew nothing about. This one's a keeper :) At 11:44 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >I`m also using Ad Aware and Spybot , what the one misses the other picks >up. I tried the others on the market and even Xoftspy a couple of weeks >ago. We found that at the end Xoftspy shows you about 9 items that it >found on your machine , we then transferred it to the laptop and ran it >after Spybot and Ad Aware had cleaned the machine , it came up with the >exact same list. >Two hours later and having gone through the registry with a fine comb , >not one of the reported scares were found. Xoftspy does not tell you where >the supposed spyware is located on the machine. The same happened with >other spyware removers. The only explanation is that most of these so >called "spyware " removers make up a list of imaginable spyware on your >machine to pressure you to buy the package. Between Spybot and Ad Aware >you will have a winning combination. >This is a personal observation on our side and maybe other people will >prove us wrong , but so far it is working perfectly. >Greetings >Willem jnr. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 09:07:22 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Feb 22 09:07:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222083613.02d8dd30@mail.spiritone.com> References: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <000b01c518b2$551c4ad0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> <6.2.1.2.2.20050222083613.02d8dd30@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Well there have been tests done by the Industry of these spyware packages. They reformat a PC, install known spyware and then run a package to see what it finds. Search and Destroy and Adaware (which I've used for years) came in near the back of the pack. Spysweeper has something like 75000 signatures right now and adds more every week.The free model just doesn't keep up with the growing number of spyware signatures. Giant (aka the new MS package) came in at number one followed by Webroot's Spysweeper. And the most effective was to run both Giant and Spysweeper. Now personally I had just purchased a 2 year subscription to Spysweeper when I saw this review and I downloaded the MS package and ran it. It didn't find any new spyware but on the other hand I am very careful and even paranoid about installing software. My first sweep using Spysweeper did find 30 or so signatures not found by the freeware packages. Beware that there are un-removable spyware packages being written right now that can hijack the Operating System to hide themselves. One thing to think about is that spyware is very profitable to the people running the software. Once they succeed in infecting your system they can sell that access for cash. The same thing is true of viruses. These are skilled system programmers writing this stuff now, not some 13 year old script kiddie. There are millions of dollars changing hands over this stuff. Microsoft is about to kill the spyware business however when they include it in the Operating System, the one scam being run now is that the Antivirus software companies, Symantec, Trend ect are not including antispyware ion their AV packages. There really is no functional difference anymore. Bryan On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:38:03 -0800, Tim Fisher wrote: > I tried the MS beta yesterday after running Spybot, AdAware, and Pest > Patrol (all paid versions). It found ELEVEN trojans and browser hijackers > that the others knew nothing about. This one's a keeper :) > > At 11:44 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: > > >I`m also using Ad Aware and Spybot , what the one misses the other picks > >up. I tried the others on the market and even Xoftspy a couple of weeks > >ago. We found that at the end Xoftspy shows you about 9 items that it > >found on your machine , we then transferred it to the laptop and ran it > >after Spybot and Ad Aware had cleaned the machine , it came up with the > >exact same list. > >Two hours later and having gone through the registry with a fine comb , > >not one of the reported scares were found. Xoftspy does not tell you where > >the supposed spyware is located on the machine. The same happened with > >other spyware removers. The only explanation is that most of these so > >called "spyware " removers make up a list of imaginable spyware on your > >machine to pressure you to buy the package. Between Spybot and Ad Aware > >you will have a winning combination. > >This is a personal observation on our side and maybe other people will > >prove us wrong , but so far it is working perfectly. > >Greetings > >Willem jnr. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jonee at epix.net Tue Feb 22 09:42:07 2005 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Tue Feb 22 09:42:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421B6EEF.1040500@epix.net> Tis better to pray to St. Jobs then to sail your soul through the devil's "Gates". Unfortunately, there are a few critical programs they haven't ceveloped for the Mac OSX-- like a viewer for some of the standardized GIS/map data. Than, again, with Apple, I don't have to run a security patch each week, Mac since '82 , never once had a virus....but...I did have a PC for map data. I was one of those that downloaded service pack 2 for XP and fried my mother board. If anyone knows of some reliable Mac OS X programs for cataloging collections I'd be happy to hear. Elton-- Axel Emmermann wrote: >Terrie >I bless my Mac every day. >And a long prayer to St.Jobs? ;-))))))) > >Axel > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 22 10:11:27 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 22 10:11:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050222083613.02d8dd30@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: About time that Microsoft did something right ;-)))) I 'm utterly and thoroughly disgusted by the way they jammed SP2 down our unsuspecting XP-throats. I don't like being patronized by them and I'll certainly not allow them to choose which websites I can visit or not. I had to uninstall it on my son's PC because of numerous install problems with non-MS software... Service pack 2 is an outrage of unparalleled dimensions, if you ask me ;-))) But, I'll admit, this is great stuff. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Tim Fisher Verzonden: dinsdag 22 februari 2005 17:38 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie I tried the MS beta yesterday after running Spybot, AdAware, and Pest Patrol (all paid versions). It found ELEVEN trojans and browser hijackers that the others knew nothing about. This one's a keeper :) At 11:44 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >I`m also using Ad Aware and Spybot , what the one misses the other picks >up. I tried the others on the market and even Xoftspy a couple of weeks >ago. We found that at the end Xoftspy shows you about 9 items that it >found on your machine , we then transferred it to the laptop and ran it >after Spybot and Ad Aware had cleaned the machine , it came up with the >exact same list. >Two hours later and having gone through the registry with a fine comb , >not one of the reported scares were found. Xoftspy does not tell you where >the supposed spyware is located on the machine. The same happened with >other spyware removers. The only explanation is that most of these so >called "spyware " removers make up a list of imaginable spyware on your >machine to pressure you to buy the package. Between Spybot and Ad Aware >you will have a winning combination. >This is a personal observation on our side and maybe other people will >prove us wrong , but so far it is working perfectly. >Greetings >Willem jnr. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From digem at plateautel.net Tue Feb 22 11:01:58 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Feb 22 10:50:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounds.com webmaster? Message-ID: <421B81A6.5080905@plateautel.net> Does anyone know Bob Keller personally? I am beginning to wonder if he does exist? I have tried to email him at least a dozen times now and every email address that he has received he doesn't answer and at least three of the recent emails I have sent have come back as undeliverable. It looks like he might have been at Tucson this year but is there any way to really contact him. Thanks for any help that you can give. A discouraged rockhound From tjokela at execulink.com Tue Feb 22 11:28:05 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:30:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounds.com webmaster? References: <421B81A6.5080905@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <00e101c51914$a1b940c0$6400a8c0@Junior> He just never answers his email. Makes business relationships somewhat interesting. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison & Wayne Holland" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounds.com webmaster? > Does anyone know Bob Keller personally? I am beginning to wonder if he > does exist? I have tried to email him at least a dozen times now and every > email address that he has received he doesn't answer and at least three of > the recent emails I have sent have come back as undeliverable. It looks > like he might have been at Tucson this year but is there any way to really > contact him. Thanks for any help that you can give. > A discouraged rockhound > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 22 11:41:57 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:42:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie In-Reply-To: <421B6EEF.1040500@epix.net> Message-ID: >Tis better to pray to St. Jobs then to sail your soul through the >devil's "Gates". Whahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... Elton, you're priceless. Bill "Gates"... In Dutch, a "bil" is a buttock. We therefore now try NOT to think what "gate" lies between the "billen" (buttocks). You really have to be Belgian to appreciate this wordplay... but go ahead and try anyway. Seems like president Bush really enjoyed himself while he was here. Belgian chocolate has that effect on people ;-)))) May a favorable wind (pun intended) always fill your sails Axel From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Tue Feb 22 11:41:31 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:42:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete> <000701c51815$88eeac10$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <002301c5182a$398d9400$8ba4490c@pete> <421AA8FA.4BF0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002901c51916$830efe60$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Yes, Kreigh, you are right. There are different color mechanisms for the two kinds of rose quartz. The massive is due to inclusions and the crystals are due to chemical substitution. The articles I've seen about chemical substitution are in German, I believe, and will try to get to the library to fish these out as there is so much interest. Best, Van -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Tue Feb 22 11:48:18 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:48:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie In-Reply-To: <421B6EEF.1040500@epix.net> References: <421B6EEF.1040500@epix.net> Message-ID: I keep my collection catalogued in a database built using Filemaker. While I'm still using OS 9, I presume it works under OS 10 as well. Not cheap, but very flexible and easy to use. Pete Richards >Tis better to pray to St. Jobs then to sail your soul through the devil's "Gates". > >Unfortunately, there are a few critical programs they haven't ceveloped for the Mac OSX-- like a viewer for some of the standardized GIS/map data. Than, again, with Apple, I don't have to run a security patch each week, Mac since '82 , never once had a virus....but...I did have a PC for map data. I was one of those that downloaded service pack 2 for XP and fried my mother board. > >If anyone knows of some reliable Mac OS X programs for cataloging collections I'd be happy to hear. > >Elton-- > >Axel Emmermann wrote: > >>Terrie >>I bless my Mac every day. >>And a long prayer to St.Jobs? ;-))))))) >> >>Axel >> >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From dnorris at frii.com Tue Feb 22 11:55:05 2005 From: dnorris at frii.com (Don Norris) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:55:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounds.com webmaster? References: <421B81A6.5080905@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <421B8E19.8060008@frii.com> All I know is I sent him some money two years ago for banner ads on his site. Last year, after many e-mails to lots of groups, for about 4 months. First I sent nice ones, then nasty ones with no response. I sent them to every group and list I could find. A friend of his emailed me once to say he was alive and well, but not communicating with anyone, even people that sent him money. Then I got an email from him, stating he would get the banners on the site. But, I have not seen any banners. To be fair, I do not know if he every cashed the check! It took so long that I did not want my wife to hunt for it. I think he is a good guy, just in his own world right now, so do not expect him to return your emails. I bet he gets so many he can't get around to reading them everyday, so he files them, and eventually trashes all of them. I went through a short period of time like that. His friend told me he does not have a phone and does not want visitors, sooo, I just decided to be thankful that he has a great site! Bob, I still want to buy some banners on your site, if you are reading this. I will send you another check, no problem. I would like to support your site and it is not expensive. And, I am sure you most likely did not cash the last one! Don Norris LearnSilver.com Allison & Wayne Holland wrote: > Does anyone know Bob Keller personally? I am beginning to wonder if he > does exist? I have tried to email him at least a dozen times now and > every email address that he has received he doesn't answer and at > least three of the recent emails I have sent have come back as > undeliverable. It looks like he might have been at Tucson this year > but is there any way to really contact him. Thanks for any help that > you can give. > A discouraged rockhound > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From digem at plateautel.net Tue Feb 22 12:09:50 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:58:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounds.com webmaster? Message-ID: <421B918E.1060105@plateautel.net> Hope to shout! I was beginning to take it personally. He just never answers his email. Makes business relationships somewhat interesting. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Tue Feb 22 12:32:01 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Tue Feb 22 12:32:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounds.com webmaster? References: <421B81A6.5080905@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <421B96C1.90506@cox.net> Yes, there is a Bob Keller. He was seen at the OPLC on February 5th at the annual Hob Nob for Faceters. I unfortunately was not able to attend as I usually do, as there was a conflict with the Orchid Dinner. Bob is a wonderful fellow with a myriad of interests and not enough time in a day to attend all of them. I do consider him a personal friend, and enjoy his company when I am able to link up with him. I know he is honest with great personal integrity. I also know he is overwhelmed. He is not easy to contact as he does not have a phone. He does have a great site and maintains it at great cost to himself. Yes his life could be easier if he could keep on top of it. He does not know how to say no, and then does not know how to meet all those he said yes too. I did see the announcement that his Tucson Diary was in progress. I did not have computer access while I was in Tucson, so I did not keep up with it. What I can say is appreciate what he does, try not to beat up on him for what he doesn't, and accept him just as he is, a free spirit of great intelligence and a very giving human being. Terrie From rik.dillen at skynet.be Tue Feb 22 12:34:29 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Feb 22 12:34:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502222034.j1MKYVu5031064@outmx009.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:42 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie Bill "Gates"... In Dutch, a "bil" is a buttock. We therefore now try NOT to think what "gate" lies between the "billen" (buttocks). You really have to be Belgian to appreciate this wordplay... but go ahead and try anyway. [Rik Dillen] [Rik Dillen] Anyway ??? You say that to your friend who's last name is Dillen (duttocks :>)) ??? How dare you. Rik Dillen From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Feb 22 12:39:00 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie Message-ID: <022220052039.2494.421B9863000A56C2000009BE2197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> If a "bil" is a buttock, what is a "dil"?? Jeanette > > [Rik Dillen] > [Rik Dillen] Anyway ??? You say that to your friend who's last name is Dillen > (duttocks :>)) ??? How dare you. > > Rik Dillen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pbhewitt at comcast.net Tue Feb 22 13:36:41 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue Feb 22 13:36:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie Message-ID: <000501c51926$99768460$6501a8c0@maingear> In my family a DIL is a Daughter In Law On 2/22/2005 3:39:00 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > If a "bil" is a buttock, what is a "dil"?? > Jeanette > > > > > > [Rik Dillen] > > [Rik Dillen] Anyway ??? You say that to your friend who's last name is Dillen > > (duttocks :>)) ??? How dare you. > > > > Rik Dillen > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kugeln at msn.com Tue Feb 22 15:55:19 2005 From: kugeln at msn.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Tue Feb 22 15:58:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano References: <1a5.31859aa5.2f4a97e0@aol.com> Message-ID: I think these are without doubt cristobalite/sanadine? spherulites of a structure analogous to those which in rhyolites proper often develop "star shaped" openings and progress to becoming thundereggs. Specimens in obsidian from Cougar Butte in California's Siskiyou County reveal the "thunderegg" structure clearly. Specimens less clearly analogous have long been known from obsidians near Coso Hot Springs. John Stockwell From: SMKELL45@aol.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano I just bought a specimen of Obsidian on E-bay. The interesting part were the spherical objects embedded in the Glass. They are a little less than an inch in diameter, smooth and whitish on the outside. The broken ones have a radiating crystalline structure originating from its center. They fluoresce a darkish red in the sw. I initially thought of Cristobalite but someone who has collected in the Medicine Lake, California area was not so sure. Any ideas? smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Feb 22 17:03:23 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:03:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx><007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete><000701c51815$88eeac10$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx><002301c5182a$398d9400$8ba4490c@pete> <421AA8FA.4BF0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001101c51943$7990c080$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Richard Farmery indicated the Quadeville, Ontario Rose Quartz pit material was colored by dumorterite. As I recall, he said the boron was tied up in the dumortierite and as a result, there is little or no tourmaline. At the Beryl pit, about a mile east, schorl is abundant and rose quartz is rare and very pale. I have posted some site photos on mindat. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol > Van, > > I've read the papers on dumortierite and found them quite convincing > since they also explained why rose quartz crystal formation is > prevented. > > I have not heard of the P subst. stuff before. > > Makes me wonder if massive rose quartz is really one mineral, and the > crystals are really another. Was the P subst. study done on crystals? > The dumortierite study was on massive. > > Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Feb 22 17:17:05 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:17:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie References: <421B6EEF.1040500@epix.net> Message-ID: <007301c51945$634ac710$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I also maintain a collections catalog at work in Filemaker Pro. It's either on OS 8.1 or 9. It is a good program. We also use it as our group reservation program at the park. I've since moved to a PC, and its running on that fine, too. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie >I keep my collection catalogued in a database built using Filemaker. While >I'm still using OS 9, I presume it works under OS 10 as well. Not cheap, >but very flexible and easy to use. > > Pete Richards > > >>Tis better to pray to St. Jobs then to sail your soul through the devil's >>"Gates". >> >>Unfortunately, there are a few critical programs they haven't ceveloped >>for the Mac OSX-- like a viewer for some of the standardized GIS/map data. >>Than, again, with Apple, I don't have to run a security patch each week, >>Mac since '82 , never once had a virus....but...I did have a PC for map >>data. I was one of those that downloaded service pack 2 for XP and fried >>my mother board. >> >>If anyone knows of some reliable Mac OS X programs for cataloging >>collections I'd be happy to hear. >> >>Elton-- >> >>Axel Emmermann wrote: >> >>>Terrie >>>I bless my Mac every day. >>>And a long prayer to St.Jobs? ;-))))))) >>> >>>Axel >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 22 17:24:08 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:17:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rose Quartz Crystals vs girasol References: <000d01c515d3$06d3e540$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <007501c516c1$f42cc0c0$7ea3490c@pete> <000701c51815$88eeac10$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> <002301c5182a$398d9400$8ba4490c@pete> <421AA8FA.4BF0@Tomaszewski.net> <002901c51916$830efe60$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <421BD98C.2F92@Tomaszewski.net> Maybe we should follow the IMA, in advance, and give the distinct minerals distinct names -- how about Rose Quartz for the massive and Primrose Quartz for the crystals? If you find the substitution papers, I would appreciate details so I can look them up. Thanks! Kreigh Van wrote: > > Yes, Kreigh, you are right. There are different color mechanisms for the two > kinds of rose quartz. The massive is due to inclusions and the crystals are > due to chemical substitution. The articles I've seen about chemical > substitution are in German, I believe, and will try to get to the library to > fish these out as there is so much interest. > > Best, Van > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Feb 22 17:17:42 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:20:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS vs Apple for Geology was The Movie References: <000501c51926$99768460$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <007801c51945$79a7b900$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> You must be on AOL :-) Jeanette >>In my family a DIL is a Daughter In Law On 2/22/2005 3:39:00 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > If a "bil" is a buttock, what is a "dil"?? > Jeanette > > > > > > [Rik Dillen] > > [Rik Dillen] Anyway ??? You say that to your friend who's last name is Dillen > > (duttocks :>)) ??? How dare you. > > > > Rik Dillen > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Lapadary at aol.com Tue Feb 22 18:49:06 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 18:49:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie Message-ID: <1ee.360c3af9.2f4d4922@aol.com> In a message dated 2/22/2005 10:11:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: About time that Microsoft did something right ;-)))) ----------------------------------------------- I don't think they have a very good spy catcher yet. I went to a site (_WWW.COOKS.COM_ (http://www.COOKS.COM) ) to show my wife a coq a vin recipe. Since I know cooks.com puts a couple spy's on my 'puter so I ran Microsoft's beta test when I had time. I was surprised when it said my hard drive was clean. I ran Ad-Aware and it found two spyware programs. And it ran twice as fast as Microsoft's anti-spyware. Hey Bil, back to the drawing board. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hkrocke at sprint.ca Tue Feb 22 19:17:24 2005 From: hkrocke at sprint.ca (HilmarKrocke) Date: Tue Feb 22 19:19:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: John Siebel wrote: I came across some concretions that I had collected at K-M Mountain, Washington last year. These were large (softball-sized) and three out of four were perfect spheres. I had little hope of fossil inclusions since the larger concretions from this locality usually disappoint. But I noticed that the fourth one, which was crescent-shaped, had cracked due to all of the freezing and thawing. _____________________________ What is, where is K-M Mountain ??? Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 19:35:47 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Feb 22 19:35:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie In-Reply-To: <1ee.360c3af9.2f4d4922@aol.com> References: <1ee.360c3af9.2f4d4922@aol.com> Message-ID: None of them are 100% effective, I think the MS package is 60% or so and Spy Sweeper around 50% BK On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:49:06 EST, Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/22/2005 10:11:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > > About time that Microsoft did something right ;-)))) > > ----------------------------------------------- > I don't think they have a very good spy catcher yet. I went to a site > (_WWW.COOKS.COM_ (http://www.COOKS.COM) ) to show my wife a coq a vin recipe. Since > I know cooks.com puts a couple spy's on my 'puter so I ran Microsoft's beta > test when I had time. I was surprised when it said my hard drive was clean. I > ran Ad-Aware and it found two spyware programs. And it ran twice as fast as > Microsoft's anti-spyware. > > Hey Bil, back to the drawing board. > > Grant > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From curiogeo7 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 21:21:13 2005 From: curiogeo7 at yahoo.com (George Hall) Date: Tue Feb 22 21:21:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223052113.48413.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi,I have a few specimens of christobalite,in obsidian,and after reading your 1st mail,I tested them under S.W.U.V.,and they are red,these are from the cougar butte area. They also have tiny dark crystals of fayite in them. Hope this helps. George --- JOHN STOCKWELL wrote: > I think these are without doubt > cristobalite/sanadine? spherulites of a structure > analogous to those which in rhyolites proper often > develop "star shaped" openings and progress to > becoming thundereggs. Specimens in obsidian from > Cougar Butte in California's Siskiyou County reveal > the "thunderegg" structure clearly. Specimens less > clearly analogous have long been known from > obsidians near Coso Hot Springs. > > John Stockwell > From: SMKELL45@aol.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:48 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Medicine Lake Volcano > > > I just bought a specimen of Obsidian on E-bay. > The interesting part were > the spherical objects embedded in the Glass. They > are a little less than an > inch in diameter, smooth and whitish on the > outside. The broken ones have a > radiating crystalline structure originating from > its center. They fluoresce a > darkish red in the sw. I initially thought of > Cristobalite but someone who has > collected in the Medicine Lake, California area > was not so sure. Any ideas? > smkell > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From magnet at crocoite.com Tue Feb 22 22:54:38 2005 From: magnet at crocoite.com (magnet) Date: Tue Feb 22 22:54:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Visit to Portugal... Message-ID: <20050223065438.6021.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all Friends are heading to Portugal May 14th to June 4th and would like to make contact with local collectors. Does anyone have any contacts? Regards Steve From jr50wv at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:23:34 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Wed Feb 23 11:23:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Richmond Mine in Iron Mountain, California Message-ID: <20050223192334.40114.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: A blog I review pretty often had a link to an article about microbial contributions to acid mine drainage: http://sciencematters.berkeley.edu/archives//volume2/issue8//story2.php I didn't see any obvious sites on Google about the Richmond Mine -- do any of you know what they mined, and what minerals were found there? It sounds from the article that this was an underground mine as opposed to the surface mines so common here in WV, but I guess acid mine drainage is the same no matter what kind of mine. pH of 3, no life forms found. Just asking, JR in WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 11:34:25 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Wed Feb 23 11:34:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spyware, Malware, viruses, etc Message-ID: <20050223193425.86145.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: I want to let you guys know about a method to avoid spyware etc. Stop using Internet Explorer! Use Firefox from the Mozilla Foundation. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ This browser offers tabs for browsing, so you can open tons of sites within a single window. It doesn't support activeX out of the box, so 99% of viruses can't slip in via your browser. I've been in IT for 20 years, and Firefox is the best thing since TSO on IBM mainframes! I only use IE at work, where I'm protected by Cisco firewalls and a staff of networking experts. At home we only use Firefox, and I just don't get problems any more. I also use a firewall and McAfee virus scanner, but I really don't think they're so important now that I'm not browsing with Internet Explorer. Firefox is free, small, fast running, and an install doesn't change the registry, or sprinkle DLLs all over the system. It's just a single EXE that you run. And it is really free, with no adware, intrusive terms of use, nothing. Free, and you can get the source code if you want. JR in WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Wed Feb 23 12:31:30 2005 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 23 12:31:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cristobalite Message-ID: <62F862AB.79D30EB9.0079B709@aol.com> I've read, in several books, that Cristobalite fluoresces. My only sample of Cristobalite, " snowflakes" in obsidian did not fluoresce. My spherulites in obsidian with smooth " skins" do fluoresce , probably because of the presence of feldspar. Please bear with my obsession with this material a little longer. Does anyone have " snowflakes" that fluoresce? From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Wed Feb 23 17:08:24 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Feb 23 17:08:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link Message-ID: <005d01c51a0d$581c8bd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Kilauea is at it strong again! Mahalo again Kitty! Have a look at the earth's newest rocks & minerals at this link: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html Glenn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From afox at drizzle.com Wed Feb 23 18:15:48 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Feb 23 18:15:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FWD: Home needed for rocks...(FWD) Message-ID: Anyone able and willing to give some poor, lonesome rocks a good home, contact Lorraine off-list (as she's not a subscriber). a. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lorraine Millbern To: afox@drizzle.com Subject: Assistance Hello, I was reading your very informative site. I am in need of guidance as I have been given several boxes filled with rocks, crystals and many other stones. I do not know what they all are. Where would you suggest I go? I live in Kansas City. You can contact me on email. Thanks! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. From jemstone at amug.org Wed Feb 23 19:04:26 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Wed Feb 23 19:05:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie References: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><000b01c518b2$551c4ad0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> <6.2.1.2.2.20050222083613.02d8dd30@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <003e01c51a1d$9ea5b1c0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> I had the same experience with the MS beta program. There is another free program that I have found to be excellent. It's called WinPatrol http://www.winpatrol.com/stats.html and the basic free version just alerts the user when any non approved program tries to run. Its logo is a small Scottish Terrior and "Scotty" barks when non approved programs try to run. It is not great at removing them (though the program is often successful), but it is excellent at spotting any program trying to establish itself on the computer. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona - where the desert is green with the water we have stolen from Seattle and Portland. From: "Tim Fisher" >I tried the MS beta yesterday after running Spybot, AdAware, and Pest >Patrol (all paid versions). It found ELEVEN trojans and browser hijackers >that the others knew nothing about. This one's a keeper :) > From tim at orerockon.com Wed Feb 23 19:05:13 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 23 19:05:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: MS's spyware freebie In-Reply-To: <1ee.360c3af9.2f4d4922@aol.com> References: <1ee.360c3af9.2f4d4922@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050223190420.02d8b628@mail.spiritone.com> Strange, because the cooks.com spyware is what the MS software detected on my machine and AdAware and SpyBot both missed. At 06:49 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/22/2005 10:11:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: > >About time that Microsoft did something right ;-)))) > > >----------------------------------------------- >I don't think they have a very good spy catcher yet. I went to a site >(_WWW.COOKS.COM_ (http://www.COOKS.COM) ) to show my wife a coq a >vin recipe. Since >I know cooks.com puts a couple spy's on my 'puter so I ran Microsoft's beta >test when I had time. I was surprised when it said my hard drive was >clean. I >ran Ad-Aware and it found two spyware programs. And it ran twice as fast as >Microsoft's anti-spyware. > >Hey Bil, back to the drawing board. > >Grant > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tim at orerockon.com Wed Feb 23 19:07:21 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 23 19:07:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock In-Reply-To: References: <003a01c50e31$62f2e8c0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050223190530.02d8b398@mail.spiritone.com> K-M Mtn. is between Longview and Long Beach WA on Hwy 6, just east of the Grays River. The concretions are collected from the roadcut leading down to the Grays as well as several areas in the Klints, Fossil, and Grays watersheds. Want to know more than that then you will have to get my CD :) At 07:17 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >John Siebel wrote: > >I came across some concretions that I had collected at K-M Mountain, >Washington last year. These were large (softball-sized) and three out of >four were perfect spheres. I had little hope of fossil inclusions since the >larger concretions from this locality usually disappoint. But I noticed that >the fourth one, which was crescent-shaped, had cracked due to all of the >freezing and thawing. >_____________________________ >What is, where is K-M Mountain ??? >Hilmar > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tim at orerockon.com Wed Feb 23 19:17:48 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Feb 23 19:17:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The DRY NW In-Reply-To: <003e01c51a1d$9ea5b1c0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> References: <010b01c518a8$9fb2e180$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <000b01c518b2$551c4ad0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> <6.2.1.2.2.20050222083613.02d8dd30@mail.spiritone.com> <003e01c51a1d$9ea5b1c0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050223191501.02f2e0c0@mail.spiritone.com> I knew you Arizoninians did it! Every time we have an El Nino setting up this happens. Last time (late 90s) I got rained & snowed on all spring break (3rd week in March) in AZ while it was warm & sunny up here! Too bad I can't take advantage of this weather other than to stack the 3,500 lbs. of rock I just bought :( At 07:04 PM 2/23/2005, you wrote: >I had the same experience with the MS beta program. There is another free >program that I have found to be excellent. It's called WinPatrol >http://www.winpatrol.com/stats.html and the basic free version just alerts >the user when any non approved program tries to run. Its logo is a small >Scottish Terrior and "Scotty" barks when non approved programs try to run. >It is not great at removing them (though the program is often successful), >but it is excellent at spotting any program trying to establish itself on >the computer. > >John McLaughlin >Glendale, Arizona - where the desert is green with the water we have >stolen from Seattle and Portland. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kadok at infowest.com Wed Feb 23 20:26:09 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Feb 23 20:26:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link In-Reply-To: <005d01c51a0d$581c8bd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <20050224042919.217BC7A500@delivery.infowest.com> My, yes! Thanks again, Kitty! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:08 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link Kilauea is at it strong again! Mahalo again Kitty! Have a look at the earth's newest rocks & minerals at this link: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html Glenn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From FOSSILNUT at aol.com Thu Feb 24 06:16:29 2005 From: FOSSILNUT at aol.com (FOSSILNUT@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 24 06:16:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Yard Rock Message-ID: <15C0272A.49F64603.02180873@aol.com> Hey Tim. If you have a CD available I'd like to know about it. I have dozens of these crabs, bought over the years and prepped when I have time. I would love to know more about where and how they are found etc. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE In a message dated 2/23/2005 10:07:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tim Fisher writes: >K-M Mtn. is between Longview and Long Beach WA on Hwy 6, just east of the >Grays River. The concretions are collected from the roadcut leading down to >the Grays as well as several areas in the Klints, Fossil, and Grays >watersheds. Want to know more than that then you will have to get my CD :) > >At 07:17 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: > >>John Siebel wrote: >> >>I came across some concretions that I had collected at K-M Mountain, >>Washington last year. These were large (softball-sized) and three out of >>four were perfect spheres. I had little hope of fossil inclusions since the >>larger concretions from this locality usually disappoint. But I noticed that >>the fourth one, which was crescent-shaped, had cracked due to all of the >>freezing and thawing. >>_____________________________ >>What is, where is ?K-M Mountain ??? >>Hilmar >> >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> ? text/plain (text body -- kept) >> ? text/html >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From JScully216 at aol.com Thu Feb 24 08:35:57 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 24 08:36:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD -- Web Site Up date -- AD Message-ID: Hi, I just put some great new enhydros on my website. Also, there are plenty of New Mexico specimens including from our new azurite claim in the Nacimiento Mine. _http://www.feraloldguy.com/general.htm_ (http://www.feraloldguy.com/general.htm) Thanks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Feb 24 09:31:18 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Feb 24 09:31:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FWD: Home needed for rocks...(FWD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421E0F66.8030605@att.net> Aaron Fox wrote: > Anyone able and willing to give some poor, lonesome rocks a good home, > contact Lorraine off-list (as she's not a subscriber). > Sounds more like Lorraine is looking for help in identification, not a new home for the rocks. > a. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:13:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Lorraine Millbern > To: afox@drizzle.com > Subject: Assistance > > Hello, I was reading your very informative site. I am in need of guidance > as I have been given several boxes filled with rocks, crystals and many > other stones. I do not know what they all are. Where would you suggest I > go? I live in Kansas City. > > You can contact me on email. Thanks! > > From afox at drizzle.com Thu Feb 24 09:32:47 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Thu Feb 24 09:32:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FWD: Home needed for rocks...(FWD) In-Reply-To: <421E0F66.8030605@att.net> Message-ID: > Sounds more like Lorraine is looking for help in identification, not a > new home for the rocks. I think you are right. My bad for not reading the message more carefully. These 17-hour work days are really getting to me.... a. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:13:22 -0800 (PST) > > From: Lorraine Millbern > > To: afox@drizzle.com > > Subject: Assistance > > > > Hello, I was reading your very informative site. I am in need of guidance > > as I have been given several boxes filled with rocks, crystals and many > > other stones. I do not know what they all are. Where would you suggest I > > go? I live in Kansas City. > > > > You can contact me on email. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From murowchickj at umkc.edu Thu Feb 24 10:14:47 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (J B Murowchick) Date: Thu Feb 24 10:14:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] FWD: Home needed for rocks...(FWD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Since I'm in Kansas City, I just sent Lorraine an invitation to contact me. People bring specimens to the Department of Geosciences all the time, so I'm sure we can help her. Jim __________________________________________________________ Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu 5110 Rockhill Road Kansas City, MO 64110 on 2/24/05 11:32 AM, Aaron Fox at afox@drizzle.com wrote: >> Sounds more like Lorraine is looking for help in identification, not a >> new home for the rocks. > > I think you are right. My bad for not reading the message more carefully. > These 17-hour work days are really getting to me.... > > a. > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:13:22 -0800 (PST) >>> From: Lorraine Millbern >>> To: afox@drizzle.com >>> Subject: Assistance >>> >>> Hello, I was reading your very informative site. I am in need of guidance >>> as I have been given several boxes filled with rocks, crystals and many >>> other stones. I do not know what they all are. Where would you suggest I >>> go? I live in Kansas City. >>> >>> You can contact me on email. Thanks! >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> From kahako at verizon.net Thu Feb 24 12:13:57 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 24 12:13:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link References: <005d01c51a0d$581c8bd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <001701c51aad$60f74790$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Actually I've been a bit frustrated lately with the kilauea USGS site because the lava has been going in the ocean for several weeks, and only today did they post pictures. Seems their photographer must have been unable to be out there a lot of the time, for some unknown reason. Today they posted some from the past few days---which are great---but we were seeing spectacular video on local TV news and pictures in the newpapers back at the end of January and first two weeks of February, and only one picture on the website on February 1st. Oh well, let's just be thankful for what we did get! Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link Kilauea is at it strong again! Mahalo again Kitty! Have a look at the earth's newest rocks & minerals at this link: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/main.html Glenn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Gslrocks at aol.com Thu Feb 24 12:18:23 2005 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 24 12:18:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link Message-ID: that is not fair! I just get to go out in the yard and surrounding areas and find old rocks... You get all the NEW ONES TO PLAY WITH...... ROFL Greg Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books authorized distributor and reseller for Way Too Cool lamps website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Thu Feb 24 12:34:45 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 24 12:34:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link References: Message-ID: <003101c51ab0$478e94e0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Yeah, and on top of that, I'l bet the weather here is a lot better than it is there! Aloha, Kitty > that is not fair! I just get to go out in the yard and surrounding areas > and > find old rocks... You get all the NEW ONES TO PLAY WITH...... ROFL > Greg > From Gslrocks at aol.com Thu Feb 24 12:55:45 2005 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 24 12:55:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link Message-ID: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com> yes it is.. along with too much of the dihydrogen oxide mineral that never disappears fast enough --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Thu Feb 24 16:42:35 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Feb 24 16:42:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com> Message-ID: <004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> That would be the frozen type, Huh? We don't see much of it on the Gulf Coast. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: > yes it is.. along with too much of the dihydrogen oxide mineral that never > disappears fast enough > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 24 17:21:49 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 24 17:19:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com> <004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net> We have it in Michigan, but you can also see it in Hawaii if you come at the right time of the year. Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > That would be the frozen type, Huh? We don't see much of it on the Gulf > Coast. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > yes it is.. along with too much of the dihydrogen oxide mineral that never > > disappears fast enough > > > > From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Thu Feb 24 17:52:51 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Feb 24 17:52:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com> <004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Yup, Jeanette & I took our rented dodge Neon up Mauna Kea as far as the road went & saw snow there in late April. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Glenn Wimpee" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > We have it in Michigan, but you can also see it in Hawaii if you come at > the right time of the year. > > Kreigh > > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: >> >> That would be the frozen type, Huh? We don't see much of it on the Gulf >> Coast. >> >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> >> > yes it is.. along with too much of the dihydrogen oxide mineral that >> > never >> > disappears fast enough >> > >> > From kahako at verizon.net Thu Feb 24 20:38:09 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 24 20:38:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > rental cars References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net> <009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <001d01c51af3$cfe7feb0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> > Jeanette & I took our rented dodge Neon up Mauna Kea as far as the road > went... You were lucky you didn't get caught. Rental car agencies prohibit drivers going over the saddle road between Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa, as well as up the branch road to Mauna Kea. I personally don't understand the reason for that, since there are many much more dangerous roads in other Hawaii locations. The road to our home is much more narrow and winding, and it is within the Hilo city limits. Also going to the Onizuka Visitor Information Center on the Mauna Kea road is a valuable tourist destination. Aloha, Kitty From kahako at verizon.net Thu Feb 24 20:55:18 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Feb 24 20:55:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net> <009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> > Jeanette & I took our rented dodge Neon up Mauna Kea > & saw snow there in > late April. This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several weeks---since mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back in 1981 some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and ended up having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be rescued several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a few weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still skiing up there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude with no ski lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) you can look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain that are lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in the last ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial striations on boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient adze quarry up there a few years ago. Aloha, Kitty From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Feb 25 05:25:55 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Feb 25 05:25:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: True, but you can sit down on a pile of old rocks when you get tired of collecting... something I would advise you not to do with those new rocks. Unless you want to sit on fried bacon for the rest of your life ;-))))) Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Gslrocks@aol.com Verzonden: donderdag 24 februari 2005 21:18 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link that is not fair! I just get to go out in the yard and surrounding areas and find old rocks... You get all the NEW ONES TO PLAY WITH...... ROFL Greg Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books authorized distributor and reseller for Way Too Cool lamps website www.gslrocks.com GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Feb 25 07:00:09 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 25 07:01:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > rental cars References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <001d01c51af3$cfe7feb0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <000901c51b4a$b3f90b20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Oh yeah, it made us real nervous. Half from the road conditions and half from the rental car dilemna. But it was too tempting to pass up. Wow, driving up Mauna Kea! How many chances do you get to do that. PLUS, one of the best pictures I took on the trip was a picture of a gnarly tree with the clouds drifting by. I enlarged it to 16x20 and it's hanging in my computer room now. Wouldn't wanted to have missed getting that. The Hana road was a blast too! But we didn't drive all the way around, although we got way past Kaupo before turning around. Maybe next time... Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Glenn Wimpee" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > rental cars > > > Jeanette & I took our rented dodge Neon up Mauna Kea as far as the road > > went... > > You were lucky you didn't get caught. Rental car agencies prohibit drivers > going over the saddle road between Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa, as well as up > the branch road to Mauna Kea. I personally don't understand the reason for > that, since there are many much more dangerous roads in other Hawaii > locations. The road to our home is much more narrow and winding, and it is > within the Hilo city limits. Also going to the Onizuka Visitor Information > Center on the Mauna Kea road is a valuable tourist destination. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Fri Feb 25 07:29:21 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Fri Feb 25 07:29:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold Message-ID: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> Hi All, I am hoping someone can help me here. Last weekend there was a TV movie shown on CBS called Stone Cold, starring Tom Selleck. I was wondering if someone happened to tape it and if so, could I get a copy. Of course this has a link to minerals more than just the title. The movie was shot here in Nova Scotia last fall. A set designer rented some of my mineral specimens to be used as house decorations for the 'bad guy' (they had to be sinister looking rocks). I don't know if they made it into even a single frame of the movie but would like to check. I was waiting for the movie to be advertised on TV, but I don't have cable and did not know that it had already aired. Thanks! Ronnie Van Dommelen From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Feb 25 08:08:26 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:08:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <200502251608.j1PG8d25017515@bubbleator.drizzle.com> "Sinister looking rocks"??? Hmmm... Dark-black mounds of hematite? Cinnabar dripping mercury? A large hunk of Arkansas quartz waiting to be smacked into someone's head??? GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Ronnie Van Dommelen > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:29 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > as house decorations for the 'bad guy' (they had to be > sinister looking rocks). > Ronnie Van Dommelen From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Feb 25 08:14:31 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:16:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <001901c51b55$166a9120$6400a8c0@Junior> Wasn't The Rock in that one? BWAHAHAHAHA! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Van Dommelen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > Hi All, > > I am hoping someone can help me here. Last weekend there was a TV movie > shown > on CBS called Stone Cold, starring Tom Selleck. I was wondering if > someone > happened to tape it and if so, could I get a copy. > > Of course this has a link to minerals more than just the title. The movie > was > shot here in Nova Scotia last fall. A set designer rented some of my > mineral > specimens to be used as house decorations for the 'bad guy' (they had to > be > sinister looking rocks). I don't know if they made it into even a single > frame > of the movie but would like to check. I was waiting for the movie to be > advertised on TV, but I don't have cable and did not know that it had > already > aired. > > Thanks! > > Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Feb 25 08:25:43 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:25:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <001901c51b55$166a9120$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <200502251625.j1PGPu25024229@bubbleator.drizzle.com> That was pretty bad, Tim... PRETTY BAD! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tim Jokela Jr. > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:15 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > > Wasn't The Rock in that one? > > BWAHAHAHAHA! > > Tim Jokela Jr., From totis at earthlink.net Fri Feb 25 09:02:23 2005 From: totis at earthlink.net (teresa) Date: Fri Feb 25 09:02:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold Message-ID: <8696608.1109350944026.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Even worse than that, I believe a movie called 'Stone Cold' with Brian Bosworth was filmed about 15 years ago in Little ROCK *grin* Teresa O. That was pretty bad, Tim... PRETTY BAD! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tim Jokela Jr. > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:15 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > > Wasn't The Rock in that one? > > BWAHAHAHAHA! > From nmgc at cox.net Fri Feb 25 10:15:45 2005 From: nmgc at cox.net (Rear Trunk Editor) Date: Fri Feb 25 10:15:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Boji Stones Message-ID: Hello: Newbie here on the list! I was wondering if anybody knows the location where Boji stones are collected at. The only thing I could find is that it is in Kansas. Any and all help is greatly appreciated! sincerely, iustina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Fri Feb 25 11:29:17 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:29:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <421F7C8D.9090002@att.net> Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > Hi All, > > I am hoping someone can help me here. Last weekend there was a TV movie shown > on CBS called Stone Cold, starring Tom Selleck. I was wondering if someone > happened to tape it and if so, could I get a copy. > > Of course this has a link to minerals more than just the title. The movie was > shot here in Nova Scotia last fall. A set designer rented some of my mineral > specimens to be used as house decorations for the 'bad guy' (they had to be > sinister looking rocks). I don't know if they made it into even a single frame > of the movie but would like to check. I was waiting for the movie to be > advertised on TV, but I don't have cable and did not know that it had already > aired. > > Thanks! > > Ronnie Van Dommelen > Maybe my day job as a software developer makes me overly sensitive to intellectual property issues, but I'd suggest that you try contacting the set designer to see if he can get a copy, or failing that, contact CBS to see if a copy is available (or at least a schedule for the next showing :-) Remember that taping a show and giving it to someone else is technically illegal. From jemstone at amug.org Fri Feb 25 11:35:37 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:36:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> Message-ID: <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Please tell us what you decided on as "sinister looking rocks." I may have some in one of my mineral cabinets, and if so they may need to be quarantined or placed in a higher security setting. Thanks, John McLaughlin Arizona's low desert - Where Tim Fisher's rain has been used to grow fields of poppies, lupine, owl's clover and many other wildflowers. Our rattlesnakes will all be wearing leis this spring. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Van Dommelen" Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > Hi All, > > I am hoping someone can help me here. Last weekend there was a TV movie > shown > on CBS called Stone Cold, starring Tom Selleck. I was wondering if > someone > happened to tape it and if so, could I get a copy. > > Of course this has a link to minerals more than just the title. The movie > was > shot here in Nova Scotia last fall. A set designer rented some of my > mineral > specimens to be used as house decorations for the 'bad guy' (they had to > be > sinister looking rocks). From albalmer at att.net Fri Feb 25 11:56:08 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:56:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Boji Stones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421F82D8.2070506@att.net> Rear Trunk Editor wrote: > Hello: > > > > Newbie here on the list! I was wondering if anybody knows the location where > Boji stones are collected at. The only thing I could find is that it is in > Kansas. > Some (non-magical) information on these marcasite nodules is here: http://www.tanca.com/descriptions/boji_fr.html Apparently all the dealers are keeping the location a secret. From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Feb 25 12:34:55 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 25 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <005401c51b79$777e8420$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw there didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward and that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain from the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also have to be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if you ask me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south side of Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a volcano would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that there were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the outside and formed cones. So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like when very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... Jeanette > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several weeks---since > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back in 1981 > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and ended up > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be rescued > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a few > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still skiing up > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude with no ski > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) you can > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain that are > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in the last > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial striations on > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient adze > quarry up there a few years ago. > > Aloha, Kitty From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Feb 25 13:10:19 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 25 13:11:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: <00a101c51b7e$69930840$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Now how will those leis stay around there necks??? Around here we call rain "liquid sunshine". Seattle and Mobile are usually neck and neck for rainfall totals. Wern't the western states complaining about drought and water shortages lately?? Jeanette Jeanette > John McLaughlin > Arizona's low desert - Where Tim Fisher's rain has been used to grow fields > of poppies, lupine, owl's clover and many other wildflowers. Our > rattlesnakes will all be wearing leis this spring. > > From jemstone at amug.org Fri Feb 25 13:30:45 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Fri Feb 25 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca><006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> <00a101c51b7e$69930840$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003201c51b81$56024e50$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> In Arizona we rely on a volunteer Rattler Wrangler Corps, specially trained folks who carry out duties like keeping the leis on the snakes (the secret is Velcro) and teaching some of the rattlers to wind sideways. Rockhounds are an important part of this effort, as we tend to favor the same terrain the rattlers like - piles of rocks and mine dumps and mine adits. Our yells are often misinterpreted as screams of terror when, in actuality, they are simply calls to inform the Wranglers that we have located an out-of-uniform snake. John From: "Jeanette Wimpee" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > Now how will those leis stay around there necks??? > Around here we call rain "liquid sunshine". Seattle and Mobile are > usually > neck and neck for rainfall totals. Wern't the western states complaining > about drought and water shortages lately?? > Jeanette > > Jeanette >> John McLaughlin >> Arizona's low desert - Where Tim Fisher's rain has been used to grow > fields >> of poppies, lupine, owl's clover and many other wildflowers. Our >> rattlesnakes will all be wearing leis this spring. From tim at orerockon.com Fri Feb 25 13:52:01 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 25 13:52:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050225135126.02f46250@mail.spiritone.com> ROFLMAO! :)) At 11:35 AM 2/25/2005, you wrote: >John McLaughlin >Arizona's low desert - Where Tim Fisher's rain has been used to grow >fields of poppies, lupine, owl's clover and many other wildflowers. Our >rattlesnakes will all be wearing leis this spring. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tam2819 at cox.net Fri Feb 25 15:09:24 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Fri Feb 25 15:09:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> <00a101c51b7e$69930840$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <421FB024.9030307@cox.net> Jeanette, Because we here in California are watching homes slide down small hills into the back yards and homes below. We are watching dams a few months ago at 18% capacity spilling over into lands below. We are watching dairy cows udder deep in muddy feces laden water unable to be relieved of milk for relief alone. We are watching horses knee deep in water looking for a couple of inches higher ground and not finding any. that is why you are not hearing from us. Terrie From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 25 16:09:24 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 25 16:03:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> <005401c51b79$777e8420$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <421FBCC4.5382@Tomaszewski.net> You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. Kreigh Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw there > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward and > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain from > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also have to > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if you ask > me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south side of > Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a volcano > would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that there > were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the outside and > formed cones. > So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like when > very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. > Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... > Jeanette > > > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several > weeks---since > > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back in 1981 > > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and ended > up > > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be rescued > > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a few > > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still skiing > up > > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude with no > ski > > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) you can > > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain that are > > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in the > last > > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial striations > on > > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient adze > > quarry up there a few years ago. > > > > Aloha, Kitty From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Fri Feb 25 16:09:31 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 25 16:09:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM><00a101c51b7e$69930840$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <421FB024.9030307@cox.net> Message-ID: <00e801c51b97$71d93880$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> We sympathize. what with hurricanes, etc. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.A.Masters" > Jeanette, > Because we here in California are watching homes slide down small hills > into the back yards and homes below. > > We are watching dams a few months ago at 18% capacity spilling over into > lands below. > > We are watching dairy cows udder deep in muddy feces laden water unable > to be relieved of milk for relief alone. > > We are watching horses knee deep in water looking for a couple of inches > higher ground and not finding any. > > that is why you are not hearing from us. > Terrie > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From TomE61 at aol.com Fri Feb 25 16:40:04 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 16:40:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Albany, New York Rock + Mineral Show Message-ID: <88.2153ddd5.2f511f64@aol.com> Is anyone going to be visiting and/or exhibiting at this weekend's Rock + Mineral Show in Albany, New York? I would definitely welcome the opportunity to stop by and say hello, meet up for coffee or browse what you Rockhound exhibitors have to offer. I am planning, Lord willing, to be there on Sunday and spend as much time as I can. I went to the Poughkeepsie Show, last year, and I didn't think it was all that great. I have much higher expectations this time. I did see the "GSLROCKS" exhibit which I thought was outstanding, especially if you or your kids are into fluorescent mineral displays. It was almost like going through a surreal museum exhibit. Looking forward to meeting some of you there. Warmest Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri Feb 25 17:37:57 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Fri Feb 25 17:34:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <003201c51b81$56024e50$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> References: <1109345361.421f4451b68d2@my2.dal.ca> <006a01c51b71$40a69300$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> <00a101c51b7e$69930840$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <003201c51b81$56024e50$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: <1109381877.4052.2.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 14:30 -0700, John McLaughlin wrote: > In Arizona we rely on a volunteer Rattler Wrangler Corps, specially trained > folks who carry out duties like keeping the leis on the snakes (the secret > is Velcro) and teaching some of the rattlers to wind sideways. Rockhounds > are an important part of this effort, as we tend to favor the same terrain > the rattlers like - piles of rocks and mine dumps and mine adits. Our yells > are often misinterpreted as screams of terror when, in actuality, they are > simply calls to inform the Wranglers that we have located an out-of-uniform > snake. > > John > > > From: "Jeanette Wimpee" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > > > > Now how will those leis stay around there necks??? Now JM, that's a classic. It belongs in all the mineral club bulletins. And reprints to ... john From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Feb 25 17:38:41 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 17:38:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow Message-ID: <1d8.37cf858d.2f512d21@aol.com> Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! Jackie In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. Kreigh --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 17:49:10 2005 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Fri Feb 25 17:49:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Boji Stones In-Reply-To: <421F82D8.2070506@att.net> Message-ID: <20050226014911.14343.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Gee! I was told there was nothing worth collecting in KS. Since I spent my first 20 years there, I could almost believe it but I have arrowheads and fossils from there. June --- Al Balmer wrote: > Rear Trunk Editor wrote: > > Hello: > > > > > > > > Newbie here on the list! I was wondering if > anybody knows the location where > > Boji stones are collected at. The only thing I > could find is that it is in > > Kansas. > > > Some (non-magical) information on these marcasite > nodules is here: > http://www.tanca.com/descriptions/boji_fr.html > > Apparently all the dealers are keeping the location > a secret. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Lapadary at aol.com Fri Feb 25 18:39:43 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 18:39:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold Message-ID: <105.5b786eed.2f513b6f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/25/2005 3:10:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tam2819@cox.net writes: Jeanette, Because we here in California are watching homes slide down small hills into the back yards and homes below. -------------------------------- But up here in the northern part of the state we are having a great winter. Southern California has been taking our water for 100 years. Every time we gave Southern California more water they imported another 1,000,000 people and then they needed more water. The water gods finally decided to give Southern California water the same way the rest of the world gets theirs. I think you will get used to it. Oh yeah, the water falling from the sky is called rain. That's where water normally comes from but 30, 000,000 folks in Southerrn Calif. thought it came out of pipes and bottles. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 25 19:25:48 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 25 19:19:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <1d8.37cf858d.2f512d21@aol.com> Message-ID: <421FEAB2.68B4@Tomaszewski.net> NASA thought it looked like Mars too, so they tested the Mars Rovers near to where the picture was taken. Kreigh CRAZYDOVE@aol.com wrote: > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > Jackie > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. > > Kreigh From tam2819 at cox.net Fri Feb 25 19:42:21 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Fri Feb 25 19:42:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold References: <105.5b786eed.2f513b6f@aol.com> Message-ID: <421FF01D.2080706@cox.net> Grant, Was that as mean spirited as it seemed to be? Teresa From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Fri Feb 25 20:00:44 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 20:00:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow Message-ID: Wow! GMTA..she says "humbly". LOL Jackie In a message dated 2/25/05 10:19:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: NASA thought it looked like Mars too, so they tested the Mars Rovers near to where the picture was taken. Kreigh --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Feb 25 20:32:04 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 25 20:33:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant><005401c51b79$777e8420$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <421FBCC4.5382@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003701c51bbc$1ffcf400$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> What kind of rock were they using for adz(s)( whatever), I know volcanic...but what kind of volcanic rock would have made a good adz. We didn't see anything about an adz quarry. Which side of the mountain is it on? Jeanette > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? > > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw there > > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward and > > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain from > > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also have to > > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if you ask > > me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south side of > > Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a volcano > > would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that there > > were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the outside and > > formed cones. > > So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like when > > very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. > > Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... > > Jeanette > > > > > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several > > weeks---since > > > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back in 1981 > > > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and ended > > up > > > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be rescued > > > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a few > > > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still skiing > > up > > > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude with no > > ski > > > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > > > > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) you can > > > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain that are > > > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in the > > last > > > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial striations > > on > > > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient adze > > > quarry up there a few years ago. > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Rocknlight at aol.com Fri Feb 25 20:56:07 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 20:56:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold Message-ID: Sorry did not tape it but i am 90 % sure that I saw some rocks in that couples house who were the killers... RnL From Lapadary at aol.com Fri Feb 25 20:56:59 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 20:57:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water Message-ID: <11.3fe22a78.2f515b9b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:42:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tam2819@cox.net writes: Grant, Was that as mean spirited as it seemed to be? Teresa No, just a philosophical observation. I grew up in the San Gabriel Valley in the '50s. My father was a carpenter building track homes where the orange orchards and vineyards were being bulldozed. I eventually learned history, how William Mulholland had destroyed the Owens River Valley to bring water to L.A. In 1892 L. A. had 100,000 people and they were all ready over using their water supply. So he went after the water in the Owens River. By the Great Depression L. A. was getting up around 1,000,000 population and they were out of water again. So they built the canal from Boulder Dam and stopped any Colorado River water from entering Mexico. In the '50's Governor Edmund G. Brown built the Central Valley Project, diverting water from rivers north of Sacramento. That allowed the L. A. area to keep growing. By then most of the flat ground was covered by houses, shopping centers, streets, freeways, and asphalt parking lots. There is no way for rain to soak into the ground so they built concrete ditches to dump the water -- and all the pollution it picks up -- into the ocean. People eventually figured out how to build house on every hill side. They look like they belong on the Mediterranean Coast but they have a great view of the smog from up there. I can't remember the exact figure but it is something like 20,000,000 people living in an area that only has enough water for 500,000, and only then if they used it with wisdom. But when your water is subsidized by taxes, wisdom is not necessary. That's why there are all those swimming pools, golf courses, fountains, and backyard water falls that waste your imported water. Now you guys are getting water from nature and you don't know how to deal with it. Your cement landscape is flooding, even the Hollywood Freeway, and the houses on steep hillsides are obeying the law of gravity. The ocean is so filthy you can't eat the fish. If saying all that is mean-spirited then I guess I'm being mean spirited. However, I think it is just the truth. It is to bad those people are losing their $1,000,000 hill-side houses. I sure hope they don't try to move up here. (Maybe Tim Fisher has room in Oregon?) We don't really have any more water to spare. What we don't send down south of the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains we use locally. We use it for growing food on the land and fish in the rivers. (And I put a little in my rock saw.) Good luck. You are going to need it. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Feb 26 01:50:02 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Feb 26 01:50:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <200502251625.j1PGPu25024229@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: >>That was pretty bad, Tim... PRETTY BAD! Even worse is this VERY sinister one: try watching Rocky the 13th on Halloween (rent IT at the video store on Elm street) SCREAM... ehr...pardon: Cheers Axel > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Tim Jokela Jr. > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:15 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold > > Wasn't The Rock in that one? > > BWAHAHAHAHA! > > Tim Jokela Jr., _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From curiogeo7 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 04:41:39 2005 From: curiogeo7 at yahoo.com (George Hall) Date: Sat Feb 26 04:41:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water In-Reply-To: <11.3fe22a78.2f515b9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050226124139.75648.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Grant Have to agree 100% with you. Now that same lack of wisdom,and love of concrete,is moveing to arizona and colorado(I live in both),and the problems are of course brought along also. Dontsee a mean spirit,trully just stated facts. George --- Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:42:34 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > tam2819@cox.net writes: > > Grant, > Was that as mean spirited as it seemed to be? > Teresa > > No, just a philosophical observation. I grew up in > the San Gabriel Valley in > the '50s. My father was a carpenter building track > homes where the orange > orchards and vineyards were being bulldozed. > > I eventually learned history, how William Mulholland > had destroyed the Owens > River Valley to bring water to L.A. > In 1892 L. A. had 100,000 people and they were all > ready over using their > water supply. So he went after the water in the > Owens River. > > By the Great Depression L. A. was getting up around > 1,000,000 population and > they were out of water again. So they built the > canal from Boulder Dam and > stopped any Colorado River water from entering > Mexico. > > In the '50's Governor Edmund G. Brown built the > Central Valley Project, > diverting water from rivers north of Sacramento. > That allowed the L. A. area to > keep growing. By then most of the flat ground was > covered by houses, shopping > centers, streets, freeways, and asphalt parking > lots. There is no way for > rain to soak into the ground so they built concrete > ditches to dump the water -- > and all the pollution it picks up -- into the ocean. > > People eventually figured out how to build house on > every hill side. They > look like they belong on the Mediterranean Coast but > they have a great view of > the smog from up there. > > I can't remember the exact figure but it is > something like 20,000,000 people > living in an area that only has enough water for > 500,000, and only then if > they used it with wisdom. But when your water is > subsidized by taxes, wisdom > is not necessary. That's why there are all those > swimming pools, golf courses, > fountains, and backyard water falls that waste your > imported water. > > Now you guys are getting water from nature and you > don't know how to deal > with it. Your cement landscape is flooding, even the > Hollywood Freeway, and the > houses on steep hillsides are obeying the law of > gravity. The ocean is so > filthy you can't eat the fish. > > If saying all that is mean-spirited then I guess I'm > being mean spirited. > However, I think it is just the truth. It is to bad > those people are losing > their $1,000,000 hill-side houses. I sure hope they > don't try to move up here. > (Maybe Tim Fisher has room in Oregon?) > > We don't really have any more water to spare. What > we don't send down south > of the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains we use > locally. We use it for > growing food on the land and fish in the rivers. > (And I put a little in my rock > saw.) > > Good luck. You are going to need it. > > Grant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From kadok at infowest.com Sat Feb 26 07:56:15 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 26 07:56:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <00a101c51b7e$69930840$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050226155942.225D678E78@delivery.infowest.com> It's very simple, Jeanette -- when you're just "lei-ing" around, they very easily stay in place! I expect to see a number of them here in SoUt this spring, too! YAY!!! And, yes, the western states were definitely in a drought condition. But the southern tier states have now had the drought broken. But the northern tier is still having problems -- . The Jet stream is responsible for this. It has moved far south, and the Alaska air that generally goes across the northern tier, (extending down into the northern part of Utah, for instance), has been deflected far to the south. So we are getting their rain! Margaret Now how will those leis stay around there necks??? Around here we call rain "liquid sunshine". Seattle and Mobile are usually neck and neck for rainfall totals. Wern't the western states complaining about drought and water shortages lately?? Jeanette Jeanette > John McLaughlin > Arizona's low desert - Where Tim Fisher's rain has been used to grow fields > of poppies, lupine, owl's clover and many other wildflowers. Our > rattlesnakes will all be wearing leis this spring. > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jpjunk at mc.net Sat Feb 26 08:17:56 2005 From: jpjunk at mc.net (jjunkroski) Date: Sat Feb 26 08:18:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: <20050226155942.225D678E78@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: Margaret, We're coming out to do some serious rockin' west of Delta the end of March. Should we bring hip-boots and mud-scrapers? Extra film for shooting wildflowers? How bad do you think the back roads will be ?( We're renting a Jeep). John on 2/26/05 9:56 AM, Margaret Malm at kadok@infowest.com wrote: > > > It's very simple, Jeanette -- when you're just "lei-ing" around, they very > easily stay in place! > I expect to see a number of them here in SoUt this spring, too! YAY!!! > And, yes, the western states were definitely in a drought condition. But > the southern tier states have now had the drought broken. But the northern > tier is still having problems -- . The Jet stream is responsible for this. > It has moved far south, and the Alaska air that generally goes across the > northern tier, (extending down into the northern part of Utah, for > instance), has been deflected far to the south. So we are getting their > rain! > > Margaret From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Feb 26 08:18:50 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Feb 26 08:18:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water References: <20050226124139.75648.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c51c1e$dba4bb90$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> That issue is important in all communities on this planet. While we are getting a little off-topic here, over-development in resource-poor areas is a major problem. Two years ago we could have just as easily focused on the drought in Florida. Here is a state that is almost 50% wet land and they were having a critical water shortage! Desalinization is expensive, but in the long term seems to be the way to go. I know Israel uses the Mediterranean as a source of fresh water though desalinization plants. Someone was talking about the fact that aggregate is brought to southern California from the northwest. In western KY, the largest quarry in the country (I think it is the 3rd most productive in the world) is near is the Reed Quarry at Kuttawa, KY. All rock is loaded on barges and shipped to the gulf coast which is an aggregate-poor area. They move 10 million tons of limestone annually. The quarry is the lowest point in the state and is actually 100' below sea level! Here is a photo and some info: http://www.kspg.org/pages/ireed.html Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Hall" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] LA and water > Grant Have to agree 100% with you. > Now that same lack of wisdom,and love of concrete,is > moveing to arizona and colorado(I live in both),and > the problems are of course brought along also. > Dontsee a mean spirit,trully just stated facts. > George > --- Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:42:34 P.M. Pacific >> Standard Time, >> tam2819@cox.net writes: >> >> Grant, >> Was that as mean spirited as it seemed to be? >> Teresa >> >> No, just a philosophical observation. I grew up in >> the San Gabriel Valley in >> the '50s. My father was a carpenter building track >> homes where the orange >> orchards and vineyards were being bulldozed. >> >> I eventually learned history, how William Mulholland >> had destroyed the Owens >> River Valley to bring water to L.A. >> In 1892 L. A. had 100,000 people and they were all >> ready over using their >> water supply. So he went after the water in the >> Owens River. >> >> By the Great Depression L. A. was getting up around >> 1,000,000 population and >> they were out of water again. So they built the >> canal from Boulder Dam and >> stopped any Colorado River water from entering >> Mexico. >> >> In the '50's Governor Edmund G. Brown built the >> Central Valley Project, >> diverting water from rivers north of Sacramento. >> That allowed the L. A. area to >> keep growing. By then most of the flat ground was >> covered by houses, shopping >> centers, streets, freeways, and asphalt parking >> lots. There is no way for >> rain to soak into the ground so they built concrete >> ditches to dump the water -- >> and all the pollution it picks up -- into the ocean. >> >> People eventually figured out how to build house on >> every hill side. They >> look like they belong on the Mediterranean Coast but >> they have a great view of >> the smog from up there. >> >> I can't remember the exact figure but it is >> something like 20,000,000 people >> living in an area that only has enough water for >> 500,000, and only then if >> they used it with wisdom. But when your water is >> subsidized by taxes, wisdom >> is not necessary. That's why there are all those >> swimming pools, golf courses, >> fountains, and backyard water falls that waste your >> imported water. >> >> Now you guys are getting water from nature and you >> don't know how to deal >> with it. Your cement landscape is flooding, even the >> Hollywood Freeway, and the >> houses on steep hillsides are obeying the law of >> gravity. The ocean is so >> filthy you can't eat the fish. >> >> If saying all that is mean-spirited then I guess I'm >> being mean spirited. >> However, I think it is just the truth. It is to bad >> those people are losing >> their $1,000,000 hill-side houses. I sure hope they >> don't try to move up here. >> (Maybe Tim Fisher has room in Oregon?) >> >> We don't really have any more water to spare. What >> we don't send down south >> of the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains we use >> locally. We use it for >> growing food on the land and fish in the rivers. >> (And I put a little in my rock >> saw.) >> >> Good luck. You are going to need it. >> >> Grant >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kadok at infowest.com Sat Feb 26 08:28:02 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 26 08:28:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water In-Reply-To: <20050226124139.75648.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050226163137.2F37C798B6@delivery.infowest.com> No, not necessarily mean spirited; but on the other hand, just remember that most of the people living in SoCal are not really responsible for the situation. People like the nice Mediterranean climate and are enticed there by that; I really loved that when I lived there. They want to live there. And there is no way to keep them out! i.e. California cannot (legally) control what its population is. Now I live in another area (St. George, Ut), where the same sort of thing is happening. They don't have enough water to support the population they have, yet the developers keep building more and more homes (while the vacant one often sit empty). They now have something lie 15 (yes, that is fifteen! golf courses in the area -- built to entice the "snowbirds", since it is too hot in the summer to live here comfortably). Golf courses are the most water-intensive way I can think of to "invite" people to come and live there. Everybody has big green lawns, usually with a grass that is a cool-weeather grass that requires almost constant watering in the summer. Now they are planning on building a pipeline to Lake Powell to get "their share" of that water. Excuse me! Have they not looked at that lake recently? Or even read the newspapers? It is half dry already! If you are going to be "mean-spirited", the ones to be mean-spirited to are the developers, the politicians -- the people who deliberately entice people to these places for the purpose of lining their own pockets. And not the people who were enticed there. Margaret >Grant Have to agree 100% with you. > Now that same lack of wisdom,and love of concrete,is >moveing to arizona and colorado(I live in both),and >the problems are of course brought along also. > Dontsee a mean spirit,trully just stated facts. > George --- Lapadary@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:42:34 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > tam2819@cox.net writes: > > Grant, > Was that as mean spirited as it seemed to be? > Teresa > > No, just a philosophical observation. I grew up in > the San Gabriel Valley in > the '50s. My father was a carpenter building track > homes where the orange > orchards and vineyards were being bulldozed. > > I eventually learned history, how William Mulholland > had destroyed the Owens > River Valley to bring water to L.A. > In 1892 L. A. had 100,000 people and they were all > ready over using their > water supply. So he went after the water in the > Owens River. > > By the Great Depression L. A. was getting up around > 1,000,000 population and > they were out of water again. So they built the > canal from Boulder Dam and > stopped any Colorado River water from entering > Mexico. > > In the '50's Governor Edmund G. Brown built the > Central Valley Project, > diverting water from rivers north of Sacramento. > That allowed the L. A. area to > keep growing. By then most of the flat ground was > covered by houses, shopping > centers, streets, freeways, and asphalt parking > lots. There is no way for > rain to soak into the ground so they built concrete > ditches to dump the water -- > and all the pollution it picks up -- into the ocean. > > People eventually figured out how to build house on > every hill side. They > look like they belong on the Mediterranean Coast but > they have a great view of > the smog from up there. > > I can't remember the exact figure but it is > something like 20,000,000 people > living in an area that only has enough water for > 500,000, and only then if > they used it with wisdom. But when your water is > subsidized by taxes, wisdom > is not necessary. That's why there are all those > swimming pools, golf courses, > fountains, and backyard water falls that waste your > imported water. > > Now you guys are getting water from nature and you > don't know how to deal > with it. Your cement landscape is flooding, even the > Hollywood Freeway, and the > houses on steep hillsides are obeying the law of > gravity. The ocean is so > filthy you can't eat the fish. > > If saying all that is mean-spirited then I guess I'm > being mean spirited. > However, I think it is just the truth. It is to bad > those people are losing > their $1,000,000 hill-side houses. I sure hope they > don't try to move up here. > (Maybe Tim Fisher has room in Oregon?) > > We don't really have any more water to spare. What > we don't send down south > of the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains we use > locally. We use it for > growing food on the land and fish in the rivers. > (And I put a little in my rock > saw.) > > Good luck. You are going to need it. > > Grant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 08:46:55 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 26 08:46:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water In-Reply-To: <002601c51c1e$dba4bb90$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <20050226124139.75648.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> <002601c51c1e$dba4bb90$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: OK, remember that 'drought' is relative. We get 55 inches of rain here annually in North Florida, so a year that gets, say, 40 inches is a very dry year indeed for us. Of course 40 inches of rain in St George would be a flood year, probably a record one. Bryan On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:18:50 -0500, Alan Goldstein wrote: > That issue is important in all communities on this planet. While we are > getting a little off-topic here, over-development in resource-poor areas is > a major problem. Two years ago we could have just as easily focused on the > drought in Florida. Here is a state that is almost 50% wet land and they > were having a critical water shortage! Desalinization is expensive, but in From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 26 10:11:10 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 26 10:11:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> <005401c51b79$777e8420$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003b01c51c2e$8fa5faa0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Yes, skiing up there is treacherous, and crazy. The skiers get a driver to take them to the top (or someplace near the summit), then drive back down to a location where the skiiers will stop---usually where the snow runs out. Then they pile back into the vehicle and get driven back to the top. The skiiers regularly run into rocks or collapse from exercise at high altitude. The technical crews that maintain the telescopes at the summit in the daytime frequently are interrupted by people banging on the telescope dome doors asking for help with an injured skiier or a vehicle stuck in a snowbank. Needless to say, the telescope day crews are not pleased when this happens, but they try to be nice, partly because everyone involved with astronomy on Mauna Kea has to be careful where public relations is concerned. There are many groups of people who are concerned about the effects of science activity on the mountain: environmental groups, Native Hawaiians, pig hunters...even skiiers! Every now and then you will see a strange sight when someone goes up to the mounatin and fills the back of a pickup truck with snow, then comes back to a beach and unloads it for kids to play with. There's nothing like snowmen on a black sand beach to make you do a "double take." Aloha, Kitty > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw there > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward and > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain from > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also have > to > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if you > ask > me. > Jeanette > From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 26 10:35:01 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 26 10:35:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant><005401c51b79$777e8420$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><421FBCC4.5382@Tomaszewski.net> <003701c51bbc$1ffcf400$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004701c51c31$e2d43360$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> The adz quarry is at about the 12,000 foot level within a vigorous walk from the road to the summit. It's not on the usual guide books because no one wants it to become a tourist destination. The adz material is very dense basalt. It looks a lot like shale. When you strike two pieces together they "ping." As a potter I would liken the sound to that of high-fired ceramics. For a vivid description and pictures of the quarry, go to the site below and scroll down to Kreigh and Monica's trip here. http://tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/FieldTrips.shtml Aloha, Kitty > What kind of rock were they using for adz(s)( whatever), I know > volcanic...but what kind of volcanic rock would have made a good adz. We > didn't see anything about an adz quarry. Which side of the mountain is it > on? > > Jeanette From kahako at verizon.net Sat Feb 26 11:08:59 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Feb 26 11:08:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water References: <20050226124139.75648.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com><002601c51c1e$dba4bb90$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <005b01c51c36$a12a68d0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> We get about 200 inches a year in Hilo and the soil is so porous that even when there's a dounpour of an inch an hour, the water runs off and seldom floods. But it also doesn't hold moisture, so when we go two weeks without rain, we call it a drought. Aloha, Kitty > OK, remember that 'drought' is relative. We get 55 inches of rain here > annually in North Florida, so a year that gets, say, 40 inches is a > very dry year indeed for us. Of course 40 inches of rain in St George > would be a flood year, probably a record one. > > Bryan From tim at orerockon.com Sat Feb 26 11:50:02 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Feb 26 11:50:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water In-Reply-To: <11.3fe22a78.2f515b9b@aol.com> References: <11.3fe22a78.2f515b9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050226114619.02e9ad80@mail.spiritone.com> They're commonly called "Californicators" hereabouts and are usually welcomed to shore up the economy until they drive housing prices up in popular retirement communities, then are asked to go home. Nicely, of course :) Not being mean spirited here, just amused (I am from west of Philly, so I got a healthy dose of that "Orygun"attitude when I first moved here in '90...) At 08:56 PM 2/25/2005, you wrote: > >If saying all that is mean-spirited then I guess I'm being mean spirited. >However, I think it is just the truth. It is to bad those people are losing >their $1,000,000 hill-side houses. I sure hope they don't try to move >up here. >(Maybe Tim Fisher has room in Oregon?) > > >Grant Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 26 13:25:39 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 26 13:16:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <12f.57931c00.2f4f9951@aol.com><004c01c51ad2$e67dddf0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><421E7CFE.327A@Tomaszewski.net><009201c51adc$b6e64a00$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><002401c51af6$3612dcd0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant><005401c51b79$777e8420$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <421FBCC4.5382@Tomaszewski.net> <003701c51bbc$1ffcf400$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4220E735.48B3@Tomaszewski.net> It was an extremely fine grained, dense, very tough basalt. You could make wind chimes from this stuff as it sings when struck. Here are a couple pictures of the quarry so you can see the rock. http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz022_19A.JPG http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz021_18A.JPG The quarry is on the left side of the road as you are going up to the observatories, a couple hundred yards off the road. Kreigh Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > What kind of rock were they using for adz(s)( whatever), I know > volcanic...but what kind of volcanic rock would have made a good adz. We > didn't see anything about an adz quarry. Which side of the mountain is it > on? > > Jeanette > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? > > > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw there > > > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward > and > > > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain > from > > > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also > have to > > > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if you > ask > > > me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south side > of > > > Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a volcano > > > would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that there > > > were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the outside > and > > > formed cones. > > > So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like > when > > > very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. > > > Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... > > > Jeanette > > > > > > > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several > > > weeks---since > > > > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back in > 1981 > > > > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and > ended > > > up > > > > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be > rescued > > > > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a > few > > > > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still > skiing > > > up > > > > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude with > no > > > ski > > > > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > > > > > > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) you > can > > > > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain that > are > > > > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in the > > > last > > > > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial > striations > > > on > > > > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient adze > > > > quarry up there a few years ago. > > > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty From liz.fodi at utoronto.ca Sat Feb 26 13:23:15 2005 From: liz.fodi at utoronto.ca (liz fodi) Date: Sat Feb 26 13:23:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ice and optics Message-ID: <4220E8C3.F94D3B27@utoronto.ca> Since both are recurring topics http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050226.html Liz Fodi liz.fodi@utoronto.ca From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Feb 26 13:48:59 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Feb 26 13:48:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow In-Reply-To: <4220E735.48B3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Sounds like phonolite? Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: zaterdag 26 februari 2005 22:26 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow It was an extremely fine grained, dense, very tough basalt. You could make wind chimes from this stuff as it sings when struck. Here are a couple pictures of the quarry so you can see the rock. http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz022_19A.JPG http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz021_18A.JPG The quarry is on the left side of the road as you are going up to the observatories, a couple hundred yards off the road. Kreigh Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > What kind of rock were they using for adz(s)( whatever), I know > volcanic...but what kind of volcanic rock would have made a good adz. We > didn't see anything about an adz quarry. Which side of the mountain is it > on? > > Jeanette > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? > > > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw there > > > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward > and > > > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain > from > > > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also > have to > > > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if you > ask > > > me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south side > of > > > Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a volcano > > > would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that there > > > were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the outside > and > > > formed cones. > > > So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like > when > > > very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. > > > Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... > > > Jeanette > > > > > > > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several > > > weeks---since > > > > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back in > 1981 > > > > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and > ended > > > up > > > > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be > rescued > > > > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a > few > > > > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still > skiing > > > up > > > > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude with > no > > > ski > > > > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > > > > > > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) you > can > > > > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain that > are > > > > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in the > > > last > > > > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial > striations > > > on > > > > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient adze > > > > quarry up there a few years ago. > > > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Sat Feb 26 14:06:01 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Feb 26 14:05:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TV Movie - Stone Cold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050226220930.7E726797F1@delivery.infowest.com> John -- It just depends on how much rain they get up there. They haven't had nearly as much as we have had here. But if the Jet stream returns to its usual place, that could change in a hurry. The roads usually dry out pretty fast up there, but if you hit a rainy day, or rain within the last day or two, or just so much that the ground is water-logged the roads can be really miserable. The wildflowers are not as plentiful up there as down here (we're cautiously expecting a record year in Zion) but they could still be quite pretty. Margaret >Margaret, >We're coming out to do some serious rockin' west of Delta the end of March. >Should we bring hip-boots and mud-scrapers? >Extra film for shooting wildflowers? >How bad do you think the back roads will be ?( We're renting a Jeep). John _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Lapadary at aol.com Sat Feb 26 14:34:10 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 26 14:34:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow Message-ID: <87.223f63af.2f525362@aol.com> In a message dated 2/26/2005 10:35:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kahako@verizon.net writes: The adz material is very dense basalt. It looks a lot like shale. When you strike two pieces together they "ping." As a potter I would liken the sound to that of high-fired ceramics. I have several pieces of pet wood that ring when you hit them with a hammer or another piece of rock. It is called ironwood by wood collectors. That is confusing because there is a tree in AZ called the ironwood tree. My understanding is petrified wood from the ironwood tree does not make that sound. Something in the process of petrifying -- maybe density? -- causes the sound. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 26 19:13:24 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 26 19:13:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: Message-ID: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, I had to look that one up. I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a lab analysis. Thanks! Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Sounds like phonolite? > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: zaterdag 26 februari 2005 22:26 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > It was an extremely fine grained, dense, very tough basalt. You could > make wind chimes from this stuff as it sings when struck. > > Here are a couple pictures of the quarry so you can see the rock. > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz022_19A.JPG > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz021_18A.JPG > > The quarry is on the left side of the road as you are going up to the > observatories, a couple hundred yards off the road. > > Kreigh > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > What kind of rock were they using for adz(s)( whatever), I know > > volcanic...but what kind of volcanic rock would have made a good adz. We > > didn't see anything about an adz quarry. Which side of the mountain is it > > on? > > > > Jeanette > > > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? > > > > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw > there > > > > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward > > and > > > > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain > > from > > > > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also > > have to > > > > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if > you > > ask > > > > me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south > side > > of > > > > Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a > volcano > > > > would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that > there > > > > were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the > outside > > and > > > > formed cones. > > > > So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like > > when > > > > very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. > > > > Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... > > > > Jeanette > > > > > > > > > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several > > > > weeks---since > > > > > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back > in > > 1981 > > > > > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and > > ended > > > > up > > > > > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be > > rescued > > > > > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a > > few > > > > > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still > > skiing > > > > up > > > > > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude > with > > no > > > > ski > > > > > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > > > > > > > > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) > you > > can > > > > > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain > that > > are > > > > > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in > the > > > > last > > > > > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial > > striations > > > > on > > > > > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient > adze > > > > > quarry up there a few years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 26 19:30:22 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Feb 26 19:19:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell if something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals in it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't have the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > Axel, > I had to look that one up. > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a lab analysis. > Thanks! > Kreigh > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Sounds like phonolite? > > Axel From Lapadary at aol.com Sat Feb 26 19:34:38 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 26 19:34:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow Message-ID: <1f1.36563da4.2f5299ce@aol.com> In a message dated 2/26/2005 7:13:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a lab analysis. ------------------------------------ I thought it was a pun until I googled it. I saw some Navajo or Zuni online once that had a piece of red phonograph record used as inlay. In the 1930s a broken record was as pretty as a natural rock -- and was probably pretty scarce in the north-eastern corner on AZ. One of my friends call the colorful plastic on accordions "Mother of Toilet Seat." I bet it would look good as inlay with silver jewelry. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapadary at aol.com Sat Feb 26 19:49:19 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 26 19:49:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LA and water Message-ID: <1ea.376b6dda.2f529d3f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/26/2005 8:19:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, deepskyspy@insightbb.com writes: All rock is loaded on barges and shipped to the gulf coast which is an aggregate-poor area. They move 10 million tons of limestone annually. The quarry is the lowest point in the state and is actually 100' below sea level! Here is a photo and some info: ----------------------------------------- When I was a young redneck in Louisiana a lot of roads were "gravel" roads, but sometimes the 'gravel' was shell that was dredged up out of wateways. They did that for two reasons; improving the depth for ships and barges, and to drain the swamps. The shells were a by-product of that dredging. I think one thing that intrigued about rocks was their rarity. Then at age 11 I was moved from swampy Louisiana to arid Los Angeles County. Our first house was just a block from the bridge where Route 66 crossed the San Gabriel River -- between Azusa and Duarte. My first rockhounding experience was in that river bed. The river banks were concrete and I found boulders, lizards, and cactus in what was technically a river bed. For an 11 year-old boy who knew about cotton patches and rice paddies it was an eye-opening experience. I think the dichotomy between the places I lived are partially responsible for my love of the desert. I'm a real desert rat. I'm also in a wheelchair. I have turned it over backwards going up a steep hill in Esmeralda, County, Nevada, been stuck in sand at Topaz Mountain, Utah, and got all 4 wheels buried in the alkali on a dry lake bed north of Pyramid Lake. And I'm heading down to AZ for a few days then I'm going back up to Goldfield and Tonopah. I heard the wild flowers are blooming but I'll be looking for rocks. Is anybody left at Quartzsite or Avi? Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 26 20:07:35 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 26 20:07:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net> <004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Pete, Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was coming? I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of paying for one. Kreigh P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell if > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals in > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't have > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > Axel, > > I had to look that one up. > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a > lab analysis. > > Thanks! > > Kreigh > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Sounds like phonolite? > > > Axel From dhawk at EcologyFund.net Sat Feb 26 23:04:42 2005 From: dhawk at EcologyFund.net (the other angus) Date: Sat Feb 26 23:04:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] craving some carving supplies Message-ID: <20050227070442.F3B783943@sitemail.everyone.net> hey I am needing the following stones argailite, sugalite, serpentine, selenite, pipestone, and a lead related stone called cutalite. These stones are just some of the ones I am working on and would love to get some more. Only for the fact that I want to carve the hell out of them and make some more face masks. So if anyone has any of this I can work out some kind of trade or money or whatever. Chat me up and we can work out details. DArren   ------------------------------------------ Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From hbehmann at sentex.net Sun Feb 27 03:58:39 2005 From: hbehmann at sentex.net (Sharon Behmann) Date: Sun Feb 27 03:58:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability In-Reply-To: <000a01c51132$443220a0$ec104e18@tb.shawcable.net> Message-ID: Hi, Can anyone help me to understand what happened to a nice cluster of blue fluorite crystals I once had? It is no longer blue! Does this happen with all fluorite or just some colours? Thanks! Sharon From hammerron at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 05:40:45 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Sun Feb 27 05:40:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability References: Message-ID: <001901c51cd1$f2317fc0$adbf3ccc@j9yhq01> This may be a parallel not, but some of the fluorite I have changes from a mostly purple color under incandescent light to a medium blue under fluorescent lighting. The color change I experience is simply under different lighting, but am presuming that you are experiences a permanent color change. Did yours fade gradually? Is it now white or clear? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Behmann" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability > Hi, > > Can anyone help me to understand what happened to a nice cluster of > blue fluorite crystals I once had? It is no longer blue! Does this > happen with all fluorite or just some colours? > > Thanks! > Sharon > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Lapidry at aol.com Sun Feb 27 05:56:01 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 05:56:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability Message-ID: <154.4bb87237.2f532b71@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2005 8:41:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, hammerron@yahoo.com writes: This may be a parallel not, but some of the fluorite I have changes from a mostly purple color under incandescent light to a medium blue under fluorescent lighting. The color change I experience is simply under different lighting, but am presuming that you are experiences a permanent color change. Did yours fade gradually? Is it now white or clear? Fading in direct light is not at all uncommon in fluorites. For that matter, in a number of other minerals. I understand kunzite fades, for example, as well as quite a few of the treated gemstones. The topaz from Utah comes out a very nice champaign color but will quickly fade to clear under direct sun. I'm sure the list is fairly large. In general, it's not a good idea to have your minerals in direct sunlight for extended periods. Color change is a completely different thing. Rogerly Mine fluorites from England will frequently/almost always have a strong blue fringe in daylight on top of the nice deep green they normally are. This is daylight fluorescence. I once saw two specimens from a closed mine in New Mexico that would change color depending on the type of light and would retain that color for a while after being moved to the other type (incandescent or fluorescent). I still regret not having bought at least one of the pieces. I suspect, though I am not certain, that this could be an example of tenabrescence such as hackmanite exhibits. Hackmanite - a good specimen, not all - will turn a strawberry red under UV then fade back to white when exposed to daylight. Depending on how good a piece you have, this can take several minutes. The upcoming dig at the Trotter Dump in NJ will probably produce some more daylight fluorescent willimite. Pastel green in daylight, white in the house, bright green under UV. Much of the willimite from there is also phosphorescent. Hope this helps.... Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JScully216 at aol.com Sun Feb 27 06:02:51 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 06:02:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability Message-ID: <9b.5a2a2d0a.2f532d0b@aol.com> There was a wonderful presentation on this subject at the Socorro Mineral Symposium a couple of years ago. It was on fluorites from the Blanchard Mining Area in Bingham. The jist of the presentation was that the colors in these fluorites are caused by a few atoms in the atomic structure being out of the normal order of taken by all the other atoms in the crystal structure. Ultraviolet light caused these errant atoms to assume the correct position in the normal fluorite atomic structure. As some one else suggested in response to your e-mail, other minerals also fade when exposed to ultraviolet light. I could be the same process occurs. Because of this, I advise all of my customers to keep their specimens out of the direct sunlight. This is important because some "new agers" think they need to cleanse their specimens by keeping them outside for a period of time. John Scully In a message dated 2/27/2005 4:59:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, hbehmann@sentex.net writes: Hi, Can anyone help me to understand what happened to a nice cluster of blue fluorite crystals I once had? It is no longer blue! Does this happen with all fluorite or just some colours? Thanks! Sharon --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hbehmann at sentex.net Sun Feb 27 06:02:57 2005 From: hbehmann at sentex.net (Sharon Behmann) Date: Sun Feb 27 06:03:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability In-Reply-To: <001901c51cd1$f2317fc0$adbf3ccc@j9yhq01> Message-ID: <48A5C779-88C8-11D9-9BC0-000393A595F6@sentex.net> Thanks for your reply. The colour change was gradual. I did notice a slight fading over about 3 years - from a bright blue to pale. About a year ago, I moved this specimen to a different spot - not in sunlight, but an area that would receive more indirect light than it had previously. And just yesterday, I realised that it was no longer blue at all! Rather colourless. When I turn it over, the bottom still has blue colour (although there aren't any fully formed crystals there). In the same basket, I had a larger specimen of pale green fluorite crystals from China. They are no longer such a pretty colour and have also faded. This really sucks! What brought this to my attention was a purchase I made yesterday of a chunk of what looked like black crystals of fluorite, but when held up to the light are really a deep purple-blue. It is really lovely. I went to show a friend my other fluorites and was so surprised to find them no longer their previous color. I have a small deep pink cluster as well, and it is just fine, but nowhere near a window. Guess I screwed up big-time when I moved the other two. :-( I have a green sphere from Madoc, Ontario in a cabinet under fluorescent lighting - it seems to be OK so far. Is it likely to fade also? Anyone know how this happens "chemically"? Sharon On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 08:40 AM, The Hammer wrote: > This may be a parallel not, but some of the fluorite I have changes > from a > mostly purple color under incandescent light to a medium blue under > fluorescent lighting. The color change I experience is simply under > different lighting, but am presuming that you are experiences a > permanent > color change. Did yours fade gradually? Is it now white or clear? > From hbehmann at sentex.net Sun Feb 27 07:13:18 2005 From: hbehmann at sentex.net (Sharon Behmann) Date: Sun Feb 27 07:13:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability In-Reply-To: <9b.5a2a2d0a.2f532d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <1C9913F4-88D2-11D9-9BC0-000393A595F6@sentex.net> Hi, Very interesting about the atomic structure. I will be much more careful with *all* my more colourful mineral specimens, that's for sure. I did have the experience of watching the crystals of a lovely pink halite specimen gradually disappear one humid summer and also found at one time my brilliant orangey-red potash chunk sitting in a small pool of water! So I did know about humidity and some minerals, but the fluorite surprised me. Thanks so much for your replies, Sharon On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 09:02 AM, JScully216@aol.com wrote: > > There was a wonderful presentation on this subject at the Socorro > Mineral > Symposium a couple of years ago. It was on fluorites from the > Blanchard Mining > Area in Bingham. The jist of the presentation was that the colors in > these > fluorites are caused by a few atoms in the atomic structure being out > of the > normal order of taken by all the other atoms in the crystal structure. > Ultraviolet light caused these errant atoms to assume the correct > position in the > normal fluorite atomic structure. As some one else suggested in > response to > your e-mail, other minerals also fade when exposed to ultraviolet > light. I > could be the same process occurs. Because of this, I advise all of my > customers to keep their specimens out of the direct sunlight. This > is important > because some "new agers" think they need to cleanse their specimens > by keeping > them outside for a period of time. > > John Scully > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 27 08:17:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 27 08:17:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow In-Reply-To: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: You're welcome Kreigh. I visited a quarry in the German Eifel that works the phonolite in June 2002 with some members of our club and two American visitors to the "International FMS meeting". One of them was Don Newsome, founding father of the FMS. The reason that we went to this quarry is that the phonolite there contains some fluorescing andesite and nosean. Also small (very) non-fluorescent carnotite. That phonolite is hard stuff! Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: zondag 27 februari 2005 4:13 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow Axel, I had to look that one up. I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a lab analysis. Thanks! Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Sounds like phonolite? > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: zaterdag 26 februari 2005 22:26 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > It was an extremely fine grained, dense, very tough basalt. You could > make wind chimes from this stuff as it sings when struck. > > Here are a couple pictures of the quarry so you can see the rock. > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz022_19A.JPG > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz021_18A.JPG > > The quarry is on the left side of the road as you are going up to the > observatories, a couple hundred yards off the road. > > Kreigh > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > What kind of rock were they using for adz(s)( whatever), I know > > volcanic...but what kind of volcanic rock would have made a good adz. We > > didn't see anything about an adz quarry. Which side of the mountain is it > > on? > > > > Jeanette > > > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Quarry about 12,000 feet up on Mona Kea. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, a glacier on Hawaii??? Who'd a thunk it? > > > > I've heard about people sking on the mountain, but from what I saw > there > > > > didn't seem to be enough room to ski without heading straight downward > > and > > > > that's a long drop to the sea. Maybe the other side of the mountain > > from > > > > the road up has more gentle slopes and distance. The snow would also > > have to > > > > be pretty deep to cover all the rocks. Pretty treacherous skiing if > you > > ask > > > > me. I have some good pictures of all the little cones on the south > side > > of > > > > Mauna Kea's summit taken from the airplane. I always thought a > volcano > > > > would be one big mountain with a crater at the top, but I saw that > there > > > > were numerous places where lava or ash eruptions made it to the > outside > > and > > > > formed cones. > > > > So very cool to see what the rest of the earth must have looked like > > when > > > > very young and volcanic activity was everywhere. > > > > Glenn checks the Kilauea site every night.....and sighs.... > > > > Jeanette > > > > > > > > > This year there has been lots of snow on Mauna Kea for several > > > > weeks---since > > > > > mid January, I think---and it shows no sign of melting soon. Back > in > > 1981 > > > > > some astronomers got snowed in at the UKIRT (British) telescope and > > ended > > > > up > > > > > having to burn furniture in order to keep warm until they could be > > rescued > > > > > several days later. That snow remained all summer and only melted a > > few > > > > > weeks before the next snow arrived in November. People were still > > skiing > > > > up > > > > > there on July 4th...and at 13,800 feet (4205 meters) of altitude > with > > no > > > > ski > > > > > lifts or other support services, that's a real challenge! > > > > > > > > > > When you drive the saddle road (prohibited by rental car agencies) > you > > can > > > > > look up and see large areas forming the shoulder of the mountain > that > > are > > > > > lighter colored material from a glacial terminal moraine formed in > the > > > > last > > > > > ice age. And all over the summit plateau you can find glacial > > striations > > > > on > > > > > boulders. Bill and Kreigh saw some when they went to the ancient > adze > > > > > quarry up there a few years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 27 08:24:40 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 27 08:24:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow In-Reply-To: <004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> Message-ID: Hi Pete, more than a little pun, I'd say ;-))))) The exact locality is: Phonolite quarry on Schellkopf mountain, located 500 m W of Brenk and about 5 km SW of Niederzissen. Ref.: Lapis 1978(12), 32 & 1983(9), 18ff.; Aufschluss 1986(6), 189-202 & 1986(7), 225-238 It's the TL for brenkite and nosean. The nosean in the rock is granular up o a few mm in size and fluoresces orange in blue light and LW UV. Cheers -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Peter J. Modreski Verzonden: zondag 27 februari 2005 4:30 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell if something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals in it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't have the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > Axel, > I had to look that one up. > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a lab analysis. > Thanks! > Kreigh > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Sounds like phonolite? > > Axel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 27 08:47:42 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 27 08:37:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability References: <48A5C779-88C8-11D9-9BC0-000393A595F6@sentex.net> Message-ID: <004101c51cec$15b266c0$b4a6490c@pete> Hi Sharon & List, Several others may chime in with more answers, but briefly, I think that the pale blue fluorite from the Bingham/Blanchard mine locality in NM, is probably among the most light-sensitive of fluorites--when you look at fragments of fluorite lying on the ground from past collecting, exposed to the sun, all is colorless except perhaps some that still shows some weak purple color, whereas fresh fluorite from that mine ranges from blue to green to purple shades. I too have at least one specimen from that area that shows a very distinct color change in going from incandescent to fluorescent light--appears distinctly violet vs. distinctly blue. I have (hopefully) kept it stored reasonably in the dark, so these colors don't fade. I must say, I'm skeptical about what one of you (Dan) reported, "...and would retain that color for a while after being moved to the other type (incandescent or fluorescent)." I don't know that I've ever seen that, or that this could really happen. And as to how this all happens, as John S. partly described, the color is due to "color centers" wherein, due to the substitution of certain chemical elements in the crystal lattice, or to natural radiation exposure, electrons have become "trapped" in lattice positions that are not their normal, stable position, and these "trapped" electrons absorb light to give the interesting colors to the fluorite (purple, blue, green, etc.). Then, supplying energy to the crystal, either by sunlight or UV or by heating it, gives those electrons the activation energy they need to move out of their "traps" and return to their normal positions, thereby returning the fluorite to its normal, colorless condition. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Behmann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability > Thanks for your reply. > > The colour change was gradual. I did notice a slight fading over > about 3 years - from a bright blue to pale. About a year ago, I moved > this specimen to a different spot - not in sunlight, but an area that > would receive more indirect light than it had previously. And just > yesterday, I realised that it was no longer blue at all! Rather > colourless. When I turn it over, the bottom still has blue colour > (although there aren't any fully formed crystals there). In the same > basket, I had a larger specimen of pale green fluorite crystals from > China. They are no longer such a pretty colour and have also faded. > This really sucks! What brought this to my attention was a purchase I > made yesterday of a chunk of what looked like black crystals of > fluorite, but when held up to the light are really a deep purple-blue. > It is really lovely. I went to show a friend my other fluorites and > was so surprised to find them no longer their previous color. I have a > small deep pink cluster as well, and it is just fine, but nowhere near > a window. Guess I screwed up big-time when I moved the other two. > :-( I have a green sphere from Madoc, Ontario in a cabinet under > fluorescent lighting - it seems to be OK so far. Is it likely to fade > also? Anyone know how this happens "chemically"? > > Sharon > > > On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 08:40 AM, The Hammer wrote: > > > This may be a parallel not, but some of the fluorite I have changes > > from a > > mostly purple color under incandescent light to a medium blue under > > fluorescent lighting. The color change I experience is simply under > > different lighting, but am presuming that you are experiences a > > permanent > > color change. Did yours fade gradually? Is it now white or clear? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 27 08:53:53 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 27 08:44:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net> <004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> <42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do the kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, I'll find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" to have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like lava could do it. (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, phonolites, like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals in them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and that explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite of minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, and more). And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that the first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) are basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle becomes depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in silica and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) and then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or not, I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be found on numerous websites). Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Hi Pete, > > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was coming? > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of > paying for one. > > Kreigh > > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > > > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell if > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals in > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > > > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't have > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > > > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > > > Axel, > > > I had to look that one up. > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without a > > lab analysis. > > > Thanks! > > > Kreigh > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Sounds like phonolite? > > > > Axel > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Rocknlight at aol.com Sun Feb 27 10:22:37 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 10:22:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] COLOR CHANGES UVA - B - C etc SHEETS Message-ID: Hello all Just an idea - - - - Search the net or etc.... for glass or plastic companies that sell sheets of sun protective glass or plastic.. Many museums use UVA UVB etc full wave sunlight protective measures.. Paintings etc etc You might be able to find full spectrum sunlight protective clear sheets of glass and or plastic sheets or rolls or sheets of that PEEL OFF BACKING type stuff and then be able to have sunlight exposure if you coat the exposing window, or replace the exposing window glass, with either glass or plastic, or build a case with the protective sheets to enclose the specimens... Either way, it could help and it certainly would not hurt to try.. Good Luck RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Sun Feb 27 10:35:28 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 27 10:31:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] COLOR CHANGES UVA - B - C etc SHEETS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422212F0.8040007@att.net> Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: > Hello all > > Just an idea - - - - Search the net or etc.... for glass or plastic > companies that sell sheets of sun protective glass or plastic.. Many museums use UVA > UVB etc full wave sunlight protective measures.. Paintings etc etc There is at least one acrylic, OP-3, that protects against nearly 100% of UV. However, it may not always be UV that is the problem. It may be blue light, or one of the other colors, or IR. This is one of those factors that everyone hopes will be compiled into a comprehensive list. Perhaps, somewhere, someone like George Rossman at CalTech has done significant research on the causes of color fading in every known mineral; but somehow I doubt it, and what has likely happened is that various people have done isolated research on limited materials, and the results are not all compiled in one place. I think people would be surprised to find out how susceptible minerals are to changes induced by light, heat, etc. Don From Rocknlight at aol.com Sun Feb 27 10:48:11 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 10:48:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] COLOR CHANGES / Sign companies, etc Message-ID: <13f.df20b0b.2f536feb@aol.com> Very true about various lightwaves There are more than just UVA UVB UVC, which is why I put in etc etc.. Maybe if someone calls the technical person at some of the museums like the Getty Museum in Los Angeles or the Smithsonian ? Or perhaps if anyone knows a rocket scientist or a space technician who determines which windows and helmet shield eye protection they use on the space shuttle, for space walks, etc.. There is so much technology today.. Perhaps a simple phone call to some big plastic companies near the Anaheim California area would be fruitful ? I remember buying some thick 1" sheets of poly for an arbor base a few years back and while I was waiting I browsed through one of their catalogs and saw that they had sheets of plastic costing LITERALLY thousands of dollars, so perhaps they might have clear sheets for sun protection.. Also the outdoor sign companies have protective plastics for outdoor use and I would tend to think that using that type of clear plastic ( combined ) with the reflective silver sheets we all see on windows occasionally, would go a long way to help preserve coloration's, while still allowing some light to come from the outside.. Good Luck --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Rocknlight at aol.com Sun Feb 27 11:26:41 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 11:27:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with HP 18" saw MOTOR choices & FULL Restoration project Message-ID: Hello Everyone I would like to start a LENGTHY discussion of mainly motor choices for saws.. I realize some have explored this thread a few years back, but peoples opinions change, motors change and technologies have changed.. Specifically, I have an old Highland Park 18" saw... FIRST, I REALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SAWS OR MOTORS, or saws for that matter etc, etc This saw is need of some repairs.. New bearings, new brass grips on the vice screw feed lock down, name of part ? ..., new cut off switch, new hood, etc.. probably about $700 to $900 Max in repairs ?.. Also, ANY advice on it's full recovery from illness, / its full restoration, is greatly appreciated as well !! Of course a good motor is of key importance I think ? And I know there are many opinions and choices, so I would like to explore the many choices and the multiple reason why each motor choice could be the best one for me overall.... 1 - I would like to know the HP recommended for this 18" work horse...1/2 or 3/4 or etc.. 2 - The RPM speeds, etc, etc...Tech info. 3 - Whether an AC or DC motor is better and why.. 4 - Can a good Speed Control Box be used, if so.. What are the advantages of a speed control box, versus the standard 3 sized pulley speed control procedures always used. 5 - AC speed control box and AC motor - VERSUS an - DC speed control box and DC motor... 6 - Permanent magnet type versus NON magnet type / Shunt Wound copper... 7 - Best quality motors ? Leeson, Baldor etc 8 - ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL THAT COMES UP Regarding the restoration of this Highland Park 18" A BIG THANK YOU ! RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kqhayes at chartermi.net Sun Feb 27 11:38:26 2005 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (kqhayes@chartermi.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 11:39:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability Message-ID: <3rr04b$iv17er@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Many purple and blue fluorites fade under sunlight. Some very quickly. Best examples are: 1. Purple flurite from Corydon, Indiana. 2. Blue/Purple from Blanchard... some tends to go reasonably quickly. Regards, Keith soooo... no sunbathing for your fluorite! > > From: "The Hammer" > Date: 2005/02/27 Sun PM 01:40:45 GMT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability > > This may be a parallel not, but some of the fluorite I have changes from a > mostly purple color under incandescent light to a medium blue under > fluorescent lighting. The color change I experience is simply under > different lighting, but am presuming that you are experiences a permanent > color change. Did yours fade gradually? Is it now white or clear? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Behmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:58 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone help me to understand what happened to a nice cluster of > > blue fluorite crystals I once had? It is no longer blue! Does this > > happen with all fluorite or just some colours? > > > > Thanks! > > Sharon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From digem at plateautel.net Sun Feb 27 12:17:08 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:05:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rocktite? Message-ID: <42222AC4.8050800@plateautel.net> Has anyone ever heard of a product called rocktite? Used in rock cutting? Thanks From curiogeo7 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 12:24:55 2005 From: curiogeo7 at yahoo.com (George Hall) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:24:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with HP 18" saw MOTOR choices & FULL Restoration project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050227202455.57732.qmail@web50509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, My partner and I had a old highland park 18in.,saw we had to rebuild. Diamond pacific has the parts. We used a 1 h.p. motor(110VAC)(why would you even consider DC???),the cutting speed is controled by pully size,and the feed also,with a belt tensioner(lets belt slip on feed,so it is kinda automatic!?),we dialed the carrage in so we could cut 1mm slices,of quartz. Look for alen screws at all bolts(these hold the bolt from vibrating loose). Pretty simple mechanical operations. Good luck,and fun George --- Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: > Hello Everyone > > I would like to start a LENGTHY discussion of mainly > motor choices for saws.. > > > I realize some have explored this thread a few years > back, but peoples > opinions change, motors change and technologies have > changed.. > > Specifically, I have an old Highland Park 18" saw... > FIRST, I REALLY KNOW > NOTHING ABOUT SAWS OR MOTORS, or saws for that > matter etc, etc > > This saw is need of some repairs.. New bearings, new > brass grips on the vice > screw feed lock down, name of part ? ..., new cut > off switch, new hood, etc.. > probably about $700 to $900 Max in repairs ?.. > > Also, ANY advice on it's full recovery from illness, > / its full restoration, > is greatly appreciated as well !! > > Of course a good motor is of key importance I think > ? And I know there are > many opinions and choices, so I would like to > explore the many choices and the > multiple reason why each motor choice could be the > best one for me overall.... > > 1 - I would like to know the HP recommended for this > 18" work horse...1/2 or > 3/4 or etc.. > > 2 - The RPM speeds, etc, etc...Tech info. > > 3 - Whether an AC or DC motor is better and why.. > > 4 - Can a good Speed Control Box be used, if so.. > What are the advantages of > a speed control box, versus the standard 3 sized > pulley speed control > procedures always used. > > 5 - AC speed control box and AC motor - VERSUS an - > DC speed control box > and DC motor... > > 6 - Permanent magnet type versus NON magnet type / > Shunt Wound copper... > > 7 - Best quality motors ? Leeson, Baldor etc > > 8 - ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL THAT COMES UP Regarding the > restoration of this > Highland Park 18" > > A BIG THANK YOU ! > > RocknLight > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From morningstar at att.net Sun Feb 27 12:44:00 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rocktite? In-Reply-To: <42222AC4.8050800@plateautel.net> References: <42222AC4.8050800@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <42223110.1030609@att.net> Allison & Wayne Holland wrote: > Has anyone ever heard of a product called rocktite? Used in rock > cutting? Thanks I remember a specialized vise grab that had a cute name like that... is that what you are trying to find? Don From morningstar at att.net Sun Feb 27 13:03:43 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:59:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] COLOR CHANGES / Sign companies, etc In-Reply-To: <13f.df20b0b.2f536feb@aol.com> References: <13f.df20b0b.2f536feb@aol.com> Message-ID: <422235AF.1070105@att.net> Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: > Very true about various lightwaves > > There are more than just UVA UVB UVC, which is why I put in etc etc.. > > Maybe if someone calls the technical person at some of the museums like the > Getty Museum in Los Angeles or the Smithsonian ? > > Or perhaps if anyone knows a rocket scientist or a space technician who > determines which windows and helmet shield eye protection they use on the space > shuttle, for space walks, etc.. I'm not sure what you're after here... I am a technical person at a museum, that is why I suggested the OP-3 acrylic. There are others, but if you wanted to know a product that works to stop UV, that's one of them. However, there is more to the story. For example, some of the reddish silver salts, like proustite, will turn black in light. I'm not certain what wavelength of light causes the problem, but I remember having a conversation at the Rochester Symposium where someone indicated the reason is known precisely. For this problem, you might want to store the specimens in the dark. The Harvard museum, for example, stores theirs under wooden covers that you can lift up to look inside. Don From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 27 15:41:35 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sun Feb 27 15:41:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability References: <3rr04b$iv17er@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <003401c51d25$e096c5a0$78f1edc1@mpc1> It isn't just fluorite of certain colours that fade. Blanchard blue might go (as one writer, er, wrote), but old specimens of blue fluorite from West Cumberland (UK) are still blue after many years. I did watch some bright green Chinese fluorite fade to grey green over the course of one Munich Show - a week under those lights and I was fading myself. Word on the street (or in the aisles to be more precise) was that the original green colour was artificially enhanced by hospital X-rays, but then again, some people will say *anything* ... Mick From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Feb 27 16:48:25 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 27 16:48:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability References: <3rr04b$iv17er@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002f01c51d2f$3680b440$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Not all the purple fluorite from Corydon fades. The deep purple retains color. Irvington quarry purple over yellow fades very slightly so that the yellow core becomes more pronounced giving it a purplish yellow color which is hard to describe. Raspberry fluorite from the Beryl Pit (Quadeville, Ontario) fades to colorless in sunlight. I collected it last summer on an overcast day and wrapped it immediately. It is still raspberry color. Yellow barite from the Flemingsburg quarry (KY) fades to colorless with just a few minutes of direct sunlight. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gemcollectors" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability > Many purple and blue fluorites fade under sunlight. Some very quickly. > Best examples are: > > 1. Purple flurite from Corydon, Indiana. > 2. Blue/Purple from Blanchard... some tends to go reasonably quickly. > > Regards, > > Keith > > soooo... no sunbathing for your fluorite! >> >> From: "The Hammer" >> Date: 2005/02/27 Sun PM 01:40:45 GMT >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability >> >> This may be a parallel not, but some of the fluorite I have changes from >> a >> mostly purple color under incandescent light to a medium blue under >> fluorescent lighting. The color change I experience is simply under >> different lighting, but am presuming that you are experiences a permanent >> color change. Did yours fade gradually? Is it now white or clear? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sharon Behmann" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:58 AM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorite colour stability >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Can anyone help me to understand what happened to a nice cluster of >> > blue fluorite crystals I once had? It is no longer blue! Does this >> > happen with all fluorite or just some colours? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > Sharon >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Sun Feb 27 17:00:53 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 27 17:00:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <1f1.36563da4.2f5299ce@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c51d30$f3ff7cd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Speaking of collecting on Hawaii, we were told many, many times that it was prohibited. Can you get a permit, or were we misinformed? We really, really wanted to collect (legally) while we were there but came home with only a few purchased specimens. Glenn > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net wrote: > > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without > a lab > analysis. > > From kahako at verizon.net Sun Feb 27 17:49:25 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 27 17:49:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <1f1.36563da4.2f5299ce@aol.com> <000a01c51d30$f3ff7cd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <003e01c51d37$bc2c8c10$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Naturally collecting in Hawaii Volcanos National Park is prohibited, and you must ask permission if you go on private land. But there are plenty of other places that are OK as far as I know. I tried checking with the Rock & Mineral Society of Hawaii "Hui Pohaku O Hawaii" website, but it has not been updated since 1999 and it looks from the site as if all they collect is club dues. I'll try finding a phone number (I don't have an Oahu phone book at hand at the moment) and will also check with a friend in the Geology Department at the University of Hawaii at Hilo, and get back to you. You may also have heard the myth of "Pele's Curse," but that was made up by a park ranger or tour guide back in the 1940's. I'm pretty sure that Hawaii is no different than most places: don't do it in National Parks, check with private land owners, be careful at roadcuts, don't be a jerk. Aloha, Kitty > Speaking of collecting on Hawaii, we were told many, many times that it > was prohibited. Can you get a permit, or were we misinformed? We really, > really wanted to collect (legally) while we were there but came home with > only a few purchased specimens. > > Glenn From jpjunk at mc.net Sun Feb 27 18:34:14 2005 From: jpjunk at mc.net (jjunkroski) Date: Sun Feb 27 18:40:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow In-Reply-To: <003e01c51d37$bc2c8c10$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: Kitty : You may well have created the best statement of rockhound ethics ever printed. John on 2/27/05 7:49 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox at kahako@verizon.net wrote: "...don't do it in National Parks, check with private land owners, be careful at roadcuts, don't be a jerk." Aloha, Kitty > > > > > >> Speaking of collecting on Hawaii, we were told many, many times that it >> was prohibited. Can you get a permit, or were we misinformed? We really, >> really wanted to collect (legally) while we were there but came home with >> only a few purchased specimens. >> >> Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 27 19:43:28 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 27 19:42:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net> <004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> <42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> Message-ID: <42229306.2A3A@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Pete, It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano chemistry from research before and after my trip there. This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before Capt. Cook arrived. The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated the help. Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have already been tested and published. I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do the > kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an > igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly > documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and > after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, I'll > find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" to > have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like > lava could do it. > > (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the > eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, phonolites, > like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals in > them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and that > explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite of > minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, and > more). > > And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of > Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that the > first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) are > basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle becomes > depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in silica > and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) and > then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor > minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or not, > I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the > description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be > found on numerous websites). > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > > Hi Pete, > > > > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was coming? > > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of > > paying for one. > > > > Kreigh > > > > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. > > > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > > > > > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, > > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell > if > > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals > in > > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > > > > > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a > > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little > > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't > have > > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > > > > > Axel, > > > > I had to look that one up. > > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It > sure > > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without > a > > > lab analysis. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > Sounds like phonolite? > > > > > Axel From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 27 20:19:03 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 27 20:17:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: <1f1.36563da4.2f5299ce@aol.com> <000a01c51d30$f3ff7cd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <42229B57.93@Tomaszewski.net> Glenn, My information was that most of the 'prohibitions' came from the urban legend about being cursed by bringing home Hawaiian rocks (and not respecting them), and that the more common rules allowing collecting on road right of ways and public lands (except most parks) prevailed legally. Usual permission rules always apply to private property. There were some 'public' places we visited that were posted no collecting. IANAL. Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Speaking of collecting on Hawaii, we were told many, many times that it was > prohibited. Can you get a permit, or were we misinformed? We really, really > wanted to collect (legally) while we were there but came home with only a > few purchased specimens. > > Glenn > > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It sure > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without > > a lab > > analysis. > > > > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 27 20:32:32 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 27 20:22:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net><004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete><42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> Message-ID: <00ae01c51d4e$8e6d27a0$b4a6490c@pete> A last note about the ringing lava at the adz quarry on Mauna Kea--- about which, I could find a number of descriptions on the web, but nothing specific about the composition of the lava--or the name for the type of lava in that quarry. I'm sure it's none, but it looks like I'd just have to look at an actual geologic map of Mauna Kea to find that out. But for background on the Hawaiian lavas, I looked in the old reliable and excellent book, "Volcanoes in the Sea, the Geology of Hawaii". It gave a recap of the sequence of different kinds of lava erupted on each island (a condensed version of which is given by Kreigh in his Hawaii trip report, via his website link that he gave). The youthful (shield-building) stage of the volcanoes, which represents by far the bulk of the lava erupted, is very fluid basalt magma; called tholeiitic basalt, which means that it is relatively high in SiO2 content, as basalt goes. The mature (caldera-forming) stage comes next, and toward the end of this stage, the composition of the lavas gradually changes, becoming slightly lower in silica and higher in Na and K, to gradually change from tholeiitic basalt to alkali basalt. In the "old age", or postcaldera, stage, the calderas become filled by more eruptions, and the lavas become still more gas-rich and alkali-rich; and the lava types include some less common, alkali-rich types: hawaiite, mugearite, trachyte, and ankaramite, as well as still some alkali basalt. These late stage lavas form a cap over the older rocks that formed the bulk of the volcano. In general, these lava types are similar to andesite rather than basalt, but they are more alkali-rich than normal andesite. This is the stage that Mauna Kea is in. The final, "rejuvenated" stage of activity, occurs after a long period (thousands of years) of dormancy; the lavas erupted are very alkali-rich and silica-poor; they include alkali basalt and the unusual types, nephelinite and basanite. These types of lavas can be found on Oahu, Maui, Kauai, and Molokai, but not yet on the Big Island. So, "phonolite" as such is not among the lava types reported for Hawaii. The adz quarry lava on Mauna Kea must be alkali basalt, or one of the more-or-less andesitic types. If I have a chance to look at a geologic map and see what it is exactly, I'll write to the list & give the name. Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea > No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do the > kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an > igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly > documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and > after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, I'll > find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" to > have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like > lava could do it. > > (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the > eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, phonolites, > like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals in > them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and that > explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite of > minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, and > more). > > And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of > Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that the > first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) are > basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle becomes > depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in silica > and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) and > then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor > minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or not, > I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the > description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be > found on numerous websites). > > Pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was coming? > > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of > > paying for one. > > > > Kreigh > > > > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. > > > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > > > > > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, > > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell > if > > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals > in > > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > > > > > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a > > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little > > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't > have > > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > > > > > Axel, > > > > I had to look that one up. > > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It > sure > > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without > a > > > lab analysis. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > Sounds like phonolite? > > > > > Axel > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 27 20:24:04 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 27 20:22:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow References: Message-ID: <42229C85.48B9@Tomaszewski.net> And in less than 25 words. Bravo! Kreigh jjunkroski wrote: > > Kitty : > > You may well have created the best statement of rockhound ethics ever > printed. > > John > > on 2/27/05 7:49 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox at kahako@verizon.net wrote: > > "...don't do it in National Parks, check with private land owners, be > careful at roadcuts, don't be a jerk." > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking of collecting on Hawaii, we were told many, many times that it > >> was prohibited. Can you get a permit, or were we misinformed? We really, > >> really wanted to collect (legally) while we were there but came home with > >> only a few purchased specimens. > >> > >> Glenn From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 27 20:46:30 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Feb 27 20:36:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net><004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete><42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> <42229306.2A3A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00c401c51d50$80895440$b4a6490c@pete> Hi again, Kreigh, Well, that's interesting, while I was typing a message about the evolution of the lavas, saying that apparently there is no phonolite on Mauna Kea, you were posting a message saying that you'd read that the adz quarry rock was, indeed, phonolite. Perhaps you can email me (do it offline, perhaps) the url to the papers about the adz quarry; and I really try to look up a geologic map of Mauna Kea, just out of curiousity. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > Hi Pete, > > It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} > > And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some > seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to > produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano > chemistry from research before and after my trip there. > > This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > Capt. Cook arrived. > > The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds > of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few > odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. > > Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some > clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated > the help. > > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because > other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have > already been tested and published. > > I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed > light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. > > Kreigh > > From kahako at verizon.net Sun Feb 27 21:18:01 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:17:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net><004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> <42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> <42229306.2A3A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009d01c51d54$e1061de0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Hi Kreigh, Bill and I are interested in your conclusion regarding phonolite, and Bill says he will see what his friends in the geology department say. Sounds great, because we have been wondering about it. But please be sure you have the spelling of Mauna Kea correct when you make your label. It's not Moana Kea nor Mona Kea (earlier message). Isn't it amazing what one's fingers can do without one's eyes observing or brain registrating? Aloha, Kitty This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > Capt. Cook arrived. > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > collection) > From Lapidry at aol.com Sun Feb 27 22:27:51 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 22:27:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence - was Fluorite colour stability Message-ID: <197.398042fd.2f5413e7@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2005 11:37:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, pjmodreski@worldnet.att.net writes: I must say, I'm skeptical about what one of you (Dan) reported, "...and would retain that color for a while after being moved to the other type (incandescent or fluorescent)." Pete: Sorry you are skeptical. The dealer took pieces outside while he had a smoke and we talked then back inside to prove it plus I've seen it in hackmanite and tugtupite. As I understand it, spudomene is also included on the list. Took a few minutes to change colors each way. Guess tenebrescence is a mere myth and doesn't exist? Strange that they would bother to describe it in various mineral books dealing with fluorescence. I might remind some that the word fluorescence came from fluorite. As I said, I regret not having bought the pieces when I saw them. They came from a New Mexico mine back in the 40's, out of an old collection. 1947 if I recall the exact collection date the collector had marked on the tags. This was about 10-12 years ago that I saw them. Figured I'd find more pieces rather than pay $40 each for relatively small pieces. I saw them at one show and have never seen them before or after. That's in over 40 years of collecting. Next time I saw the dealer, he'd sold them. Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Sun Feb 27 23:32:51 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sun Feb 27 23:30:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] water, spacimens, and color changes References: <200502280149.j1S1noWI007499@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001d01c51d67$b6365c20$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Those who complain about too much of other peoples water going to those who don't deserve it should really be complaining about the natural urge of people to reproduce themselves and have more children than is good for the planet. As long as this urge can't be controlled, we will reproduce and multiply until we kill the planet or life becomes very unpleasant for those that survive. I am sure that things will have to get a lot worse before we take adequate steps to fix the problem. This is evidenced by the very reluctance of people to talk about the real problem preferring rather to bitch about someone taking their water, jobs, clean air etc. You can pass all the legislation about protecting the environment you want but it should be realized that this is not fixing the problem but only making it worse because it is distracting our attention away from the real problem that few wish to address in any meaningful way. However for those of us who like rocks, mineral specimens and crystals it is an exciting time. Some years ago it was estimated that man was moving more dirt and rocks than nature, and that amount increases each year. The amount of interesting specimens found is approximately proportional to the amount of rocks being moved. This has certainly been evident during the last twenty or thirty years. The list of mineral specimens from old classic localities that have not been improved on from those from new sources during the last 30 years is not a long one. This flood of new and better material from new localities has also had the effect of raising the quality bar to levels much higher than existed before. I see no reason for this trend not to continue as man increasingly increases his mining efforts for raw materials to support an ever increasing population. I think that our poor old planet may soon look like a Swiss cheese. Many minerals change color or alter their composition in sunlight. Some like mirabilite will decompose in a matter of minutes. Realgar and borax will change in a few days in sunlight. Others may take a few weeks, months or years. Even minerals like pyrite, stibnite, pyrrhotite and galena can be brilliant when first found, but after a few years will tarnish in response to oxygen in the air and other factors like humidity, temperature and other pollutants in the air. I am sure that when the stibnite crystals were first found in Japan that they were indeed as brilliant and shiny as some of the stibnites recently found recently in China. Not all of the stibnites found recently have been brilliant and lustrous, but many have been made so by a quick dip in hydrofluoric acid and in a few years their luster will be considerably less than now. The change of color, luster and transparency, usually to the detriment of a specimens value have been known for considerably more than 100 years and it seems a lesson the each generation of collectors must discover for itself. There is only one thing that man has learned from history and that is that man does not learn from history. Rock From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 05:06:47 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Feb 28 05:06:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] water, spacimens, and color changes In-Reply-To: <001d01c51d67$b6365c20$2eeaa5d8@rock5> References: <200502280149.j1S1noWI007499@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001d01c51d67$b6365c20$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: As for your comments about population control, you are a bit behind the curve on that. None of the Western Democracies have growing populations. The US population is slightly increasing only because of immigration. Western Europe, Russia and Japan are all seeing population crashes. Italy is going to drop it's population by 40,000,000 by mid century as one example. California is actually seeing a net loss in population as people move out of that state. Any increase of global population is only occuring in the third world and even that is slowing down in many places. Bryan On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:32:51 -0800, Rock Currier wrote: > Those who complain about too much of other peoples water going to those > who don't deserve it should really be complaining about the natural urge of > people to reproduce themselves and have more children than is good for the > planet. As long as this urge can't be controlled, we will reproduce and > multiply until we kill the planet or life becomes very unpleasant for those > that survive. I am sure that things will have to get a lot worse before we > take adequate steps to fix the problem. This is evidenced by the very > reluctance of people to talk about the real problem preferring rather to > bitch about someone taking their water, jobs, clean air etc. You can pass > all the legislation about protecting the environment you want but it should > be realized that this is not fixing the problem but only making it worse > because it is distracting our attention away from the real problem that few > wish to address in any meaningful way. From jbf at jbfminerals.com Mon Feb 28 05:56:27 2005 From: jbf at jbfminerals.com (Jeff Fast) Date: Mon Feb 28 05:56:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] COLOR CHANGES - pyrargyrite References: <13f.df20b0b.2f536feb@aol.com> <422235AF.1070105@att.net> Message-ID: <001f01c51d9d$4c928970$171b0944@Dell2004> I have noticed that pyrargyrite included in calcite does not seem to darken with exposure to light. I am not sure if it is just happening much more slowly or if it is not changing at all. I had one piece of pyrargyrite for several years that was as transparent red as the first day I got it. That is what first made me start thinking about protecting pyrargyrite in some way so it would not darken. The miners tell me when they first find crystals they are brilliant transparent red but they darken almost immediately. Wouldn't it be nice to collect them, wrap them, then protect them from the light permanently in some way? Don, maybe you were talking with me at Rochester. But I don't know what wavelenghts do it. Jeff Fast From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 28 06:30:01 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 28 06:30:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite In-Reply-To: <42229306.2A3A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Hi Pete & Kreigh, I just recently got a specimen from Horst Windich: a nepheline syenite from the Franspoort Quarry (too tired to go downstairs and read the specimen but I think it was in the Pretoria District SA.) That specimen looks a lot like the phonolite from Schellkopf, Brenk, Eifel , Germany. It has also richly dispersed grains of an orange fluorescing mineral which could be nosean, sodalite, hauyn or any mineral of that family. The matrix fluoresces deep sherry red (weak) under SW (probably the "main mass" feldspar with a little Fe3+ to get the electrons bouncing???) The nepheline syenite looks very similar to phonolite but is it really? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: maandag 28 februari 2005 4:43 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite Hi Pete, It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano chemistry from research before and after my trip there. This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before Capt. Cook arrived. The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated the help. Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have already been tested and published. I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do the > kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an > igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly > documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and > after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, I'll > find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" to > have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like > lava could do it. > > (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the > eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, phonolites, > like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals in > them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and that > explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite of > minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, and > more). > > And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of > Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that the > first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) are > basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle becomes > depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in silica > and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) and > then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor > minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or not, > I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the > description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be > found on numerous websites). > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > > Hi Pete, > > > > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was coming? > > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of > > paying for one. > > > > Kreigh > > > > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. > > > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > > > > > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, > > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really tell > if > > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The minerals > in > > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > > > > > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a > > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a little > > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it doesn't > have > > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > > > > > Axel, > > > > I had to look that one up. > > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It > sure > > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify without > a > > > lab analysis. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > Sounds like phonolite? > > > > > Axel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Feb 28 08:02:38 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Feb 28 08:02:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence - was Fluorite colour stability Message-ID: <022820051602.22835.4223409E0000BE2A00005933216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Dan, Please forgive me for being too skeptical. I guess I had never heard of tenebrescence in fluorite. So, I think I've got that correct, it was fluorite that you saw changing its color (becoming, what was it now, deeper blue or purple, or changing from the one to the other?), and I think you said it was not just from being exposed to UV, but from being exposed to daylight or incandescent vs. fluorescent light? I guess those two things were what were new to me, and I just wanted to be sure that's what you'd really observed. Thanks for answering, Pete -------------- Original message from Lapidry@aol.com: -------------- > > In a message dated 2/27/2005 11:37:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pjmodreski@worldnet.att.net writes: > > I must say, I'm > skeptical about what one of you (Dan) reported, > > "...and would retain that color for a while > after being moved to the other type (incandescent or fluorescent)." > > > > Pete: > > Sorry you are skeptical. The dealer took pieces outside while he had a smoke > and we talked then back inside to prove it plus I've seen it in hackmanite > and tugtupite. As I understand it, spudomene is also included on the list. > Took a few minutes to change colors each way. Guess tenebrescence is a mere > myth > and doesn't exist? Strange that they would bother to describe it in various > mineral books dealing with fluorescence. I might remind some that the word > fluorescence came from fluorite. As I said, I regret not having bought the > pieces when I saw them. They came from a New Mexico mine back in the 40's, out > of > an old collection. 1947 if I recall the exact collection date the collector > had marked on the tags. This was about 10-12 years ago that I saw them. > Figured I'd find more pieces rather than pay $40 each for relatively small > pieces. > I saw them at one show and have never seen them before or after. That's in > over 40 years of collecting. Next time I saw the dealer, he'd sold them. > > Dan > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Feb 28 08:07:18 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Feb 28 08:07:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite Message-ID: <022820051607.28740.422341B50005834600007044216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Axel, It sounds like you've probably got that specimen figured about right. I believe that sodalite (var. hackmanite, one can call it) is probably the most likely orange-fl. mineral in such a rock, and as far as I know, that's probably right about the Fe+3-activated feldspar. Nepheline syenite and phonolite are really a continuum, just the difference of how slowly the magma cooled. If it's fine-grained and looks like lava, it's phonolite, and if it's completely crystalline with interlocking crystal blades of feldspar + nepheline + acmite/aegirine + sodalite, it's nepheline syenite. As I said, the intrusive sill of Point of Rocks, Colfax County, New Mexico, is normally called a phonolite, but it is really in between. Pete -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" : -------------- > Hi Pete & Kreigh, > > I just recently got a specimen from Horst Windich: a nepheline syenite from > the Franspoort Quarry (too tired to go downstairs and read the specimen but > I think it was in the Pretoria District SA.) > That specimen looks a lot like the phonolite from Schellkopf, Brenk, Eifel , > Germany. It has also richly dispersed grains of an orange fluorescing > mineral which could be nosean, sodalite, hauyn or any mineral of that > family. The matrix fluoresces deep sherry red (weak) under SW (probably the > "main mass" feldspar with a little Fe3+ to get the electrons bouncing???) > > The nepheline syenite looks very similar to phonolite but is it really? > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: maandag 28 februari 2005 4:43 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > > > Hi Pete, > > It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} > > And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some > seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to > produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano > chemistry from research before and after my trip there. > > This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > Capt. Cook arrived. > > The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds > of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few > odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. > > Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some > clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated > the help. > > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because > other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have > already been tested and published. > > I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed > light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do the > > kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an > > igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly > > documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and > > after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, > I'll > > find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" to > > have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like > > lava could do it. > > > > (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the > > eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, > phonolites, > > like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals > in > > them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and > that > > explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite > of > > minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, > and > > more). > > > > And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of > > Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that the > > first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) > are > > basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle > becomes > > depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in silica > > and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) > and > > then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor > > minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or not, > > I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the > > description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be > > found on numerous websites). > > > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was coming? > > > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of > > > paying for one. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > > > > > > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > > > > > > > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock name, > > > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really > tell > > if > > > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The > minerals > > in > > > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > > > > > > > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, a > > > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a > little > > > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it > doesn't > > have > > > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > > > > > > > Axel, > > > > > I had to look that one up. > > > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It > > sure > > > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify > without > > a > > > > lab analysis. > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like phonolite? > > > > > > Axel > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From BETDAV97 at aol.com Mon Feb 28 09:01:40 2005 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 09:01:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tenebrescence, thanks Message-ID: <7C180120.1E82A48A.0063F1E6@aol.com> Hi all, Thanks for mentioning Tenebrescence, I am taking several specimens to the Gaithersburg, MD show in March, and I couldn't remember how to spell the word. Another good reason to belong to this list, they can even read minds. Thanks, Dave From digem at plateautel.net Mon Feb 28 09:48:19 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Mon Feb 28 09:36:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] water, spacimens, and color changes References: <200502280149.j1S1noWI007499@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001d01c51d67$b6365c20$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <42235963.1050603@plateautel.net> ..............and don't forget about global warming! or two of my favorite bumper stickers "Save a tree Wipe your As_ with a Spotted Owl" "Strip Mining Prevent Forest Fires" A Rock Currier wrote: >Those who complain about too much of other peoples water going to those >who don't deserve it should really be complaining about the natural urge of >people to reproduce themselves and have more children than is good for the >planet. As long as this urge can't be controlled, we will reproduce and >multiply until we kill the planet or life becomes very unpleasant for those >that survive. I am sure that things will have to get a lot worse before we >take adequate steps to fix the problem. This is evidenced by the very >reluctance of people to talk about the real problem preferring rather to >bitch about someone taking their water, jobs, clean air etc. You can pass >all the legislation about protecting the environment you want but it should >be realized that this is not fixing the problem but only making it worse >because it is distracting our attention away from the real problem that few >wish to address in any meaningful way. > However for those of us who like rocks, mineral specimens and crystals >it is an exciting time. Some years ago it was estimated that man was moving >more dirt and rocks than nature, and that amount increases each year. The >amount of interesting specimens found is approximately proportional to the >amount of rocks being moved. This has certainly been evident during the last >twenty or thirty years. The list of mineral specimens from old classic >localities that have not been improved on from those from new sources during >the last 30 years is not a long one. This flood of new and better material >from new localities has also had the effect of raising the quality bar to >levels much higher than existed before. I see no reason for this trend not >to continue as man increasingly increases his mining efforts for raw >materials to support an ever increasing population. I think that our poor >old planet may soon look like a Swiss cheese. > Many minerals change color or alter their composition in sunlight. Some >like mirabilite will decompose in a matter of minutes. Realgar and borax >will change in a few days in sunlight. Others may take a few weeks, months >or years. Even minerals like pyrite, stibnite, pyrrhotite and galena can be >brilliant when first found, but after a few years will tarnish in response >to oxygen in the air and other factors like humidity, temperature and other >pollutants in the air. I am sure that when the stibnite crystals were first >found in Japan that they were indeed as brilliant and shiny as some of the >stibnites recently found recently in China. Not all of the stibnites found >recently have been brilliant and lustrous, but many have been made so by a >quick dip in hydrofluoric acid and in a few years their luster will be >considerably less than now. The change of color, luster and transparency, >usually to the detriment of a specimens value have been known for >considerably more than 100 years and it seems a lesson the each generation >of collectors must discover for itself. There is only one thing that man has >learned from history and that is that man does not learn from history. >Rock > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Mon Feb 28 09:50:52 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Mon Feb 28 09:50:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of items internationally? Message-ID: <022820051750.9015.422359FC000164220000233721587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Yes this is on-topic, basically... In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific specimens with no commercial value." I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right now I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or customs tax and so forth. The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic microscope--there is the topical link! Thanks, Don From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Mon Feb 28 10:05:58 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Feb 28 10:06:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? References: <022820051750.9015.422359FC000164220000233721587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <9cfb01c51dc0$27d1bbb0$6402a8c0@remains> I have somewhere a PDF file (or possibly a weblink) for the Canadian listing....now, as they are HARMONISED, so the same from country to country, the code won't differ, but each individual country's taxations may or may not be different...... there is NO "scientific specimens with no commercial value" category. As far as customs is concerned, EVERYTHING has a value...even if it is only $1.00. What you need is the customs code for this item, most likely under optical equipment. Once you have the code, you can see if it is a dutiable item. As you had sent these items out for repair, it is not the same as purchase, so obviously you should not be paying tax on them as if you bought them. However, having said this, it may very well be a LOT simpler for you to simply has whoever is doing your repair to enclose a receipt in there for $10.00 (or something like that), and pay the samll percentage in tax if applicable. I am assuming you are in the USA? yes?, so a Canadian taxation % won't apply to you (most likely). Your other option is to simply have the person doing the reapirs to write on the outside of the package "repaired goods being returned to ______. sometimes in the end it's a heckuva lot easier to pay a few dollars in tax etc. than to screw around with bored customs agents...... if you want me to search for a suitable code number for this optical equipment I can see if I can find one Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? > > Yes this is on-topic, basically... > > In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international > tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific > specimens with no commercial value." > > I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right now > I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being > sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or > customs tax and so forth. > > The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic > microscope--there is the topical link! > > > Thanks, > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 11:41:22 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Feb 28 11:41:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? Message-ID: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all- You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds on some new survey software I'm using for work. The purpose would be to discover a little about us as a "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If you all thought this a good idea, I would share the results with the list. Please let me know what you think. If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as well. If there is a positive or somewhat positive response to my query here, I'll start building the survey in the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, so I'd like to have some fun with it. Mulitple choice questions might include: 1. How often do you collect? 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you make a year? 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your collection? 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? As I've been participating in this list for the past year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a very varied bunch. But learning more about us will also really help us think about enhancing our outreach to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the computer gen. Please let me know your thoughts and question ideas.... (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer users...but its better than nothing!) look forward to your thoughts, tina tuttle aka tangojuli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hammerron at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 11:47:50 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Mon Feb 28 11:47:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? In-Reply-To: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050228194750.82665.qmail@web81401.mail.yahoo.com> How about..... Do you collect... species? crystals? localities? fossils? How long have you been collecting? Do you tumble? facet?, etc do you have a beard ? --- tango juli wrote: > Hey all- > You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. > I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds > on some new survey software I'm using for work. The > purpose would be to discover a little about us as a > "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would > be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If > you all thought this a good idea, I would share the > results with the list. > > Please let me know what you think. > > If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as > well. > If there is a positive or somewhat positive response > to my query here, I'll start building the survey in > the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via > email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, > even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, > so I'd like to have some fun with it. > Mulitple choice questions might include: > 1. How often do you collect? > 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you > make a year? > 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your > collection? > 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) > 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? > 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? > > As I've been participating in this list for the past > year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a > very varied bunch. But learning more about us will > also really help us think about enhancing our outreach > to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the > computer gen. > Please let me know your thoughts and question > ideas.... > (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer > users...but its better than nothing!) > look forward to your thoughts, > tina tuttle > aka tangojuli > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From silverado at frontiernet.net Mon Feb 28 10:48:25 2005 From: silverado at frontiernet.net (Gail) Date: Mon Feb 28 11:48:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c51dc6$17883620$23fa8b43@gail7diqufk9xy> sounds like an interesting venture. I think it would be a good idea as some of us have equip. questions, hunting for good location questions, collections to sell, etc. Put us on your list. Clete and Gail Kling silverado@frontiernet.net. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? > Hey all- > You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. > I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds > on some new survey software I'm using for work. The > purpose would be to discover a little about us as a > "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would > be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If > you all thought this a good idea, I would share the > results with the list. > > Please let me know what you think. > > If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as > well. > If there is a positive or somewhat positive response > to my query here, I'll start building the survey in > the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via > email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, > even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, > so I'd like to have some fun with it. > Mulitple choice questions might include: > 1. How often do you collect? > 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you > make a year? > 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your > collection? > 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) > 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? > 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? > > As I've been participating in this list for the past > year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a > very varied bunch. But learning more about us will > also really help us think about enhancing our outreach > to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the > computer gen. > Please let me know your thoughts and question > ideas.... > (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer > users...but its better than nothing!) > look forward to your thoughts, > tina tuttle > aka tangojuli > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From libawc at emory.edu Mon Feb 28 11:53:02 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon Feb 28 11:53:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? In-Reply-To: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e401c51dcf$1f5272e0$06be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Sounds like a fun idea to me. I've been a rockhound for over 18 years, and it's amazing what little I know about my fellow hounds. We come together in the hobby, but sometimes we never go beyond that to see who the people are, what they do for a living, what they believe (careful with this one!) I, for one, would be happy to participate. Here are some questions you may or may not want to ask: 1. Have you ever gone to a collecting site days before the "official" trip? 2. Have you ever knowingly collected in a "No Trespassing" area? 3. Have you served in a position at your local gem club? 4. Have you ever volunteered to help put a rock and mineral show on? 5. What it is you most enjoy about the hobby? 6. What do you least enjoy? 7. Have you ever been injured on a dig? To what extent? 8. What kind of wild animals have you seen on a dig? 9. What is the most money you would be willing to pay for a pay-to-dig site? If your answer depends on the type of material collected, what would type of material would you be willing to pay the most for? 10. Do you normally have a person assigned to show newbies where to dig and what to look for? Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:41 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? Hey all- You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds on some new survey software I'm using for work. The purpose would be to discover a little about us as a "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If you all thought this a good idea, I would share the results with the list. Please let me know what you think. If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as well. If there is a positive or somewhat positive response to my query here, I'll start building the survey in the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, so I'd like to have some fun with it. Mulitple choice questions might include: 1. How often do you collect? 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you make a year? 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your collection? 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? As I've been participating in this list for the past year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a very varied bunch. But learning more about us will also really help us think about enhancing our outreach to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the computer gen. Please let me know your thoughts and question ideas.... (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer users...but its better than nothing!) look forward to your thoughts, tina tuttle aka tangojuli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 28 11:55:54 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 11:55:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? Message-ID: <022820051955.24336.4223774A000736FA00005F102197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> I'd be interested in where everybody is. What state and/or country? Who knows, some of us may be close to each otherand not know it, and could possibly collect together, or whatever. Jeanette From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Feb 28 12:03:30 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:03:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c51dd0$92abc1a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Tina, As president of a mineral club with 40 members, in an area of Southern Ontario where 500,000 + people reside within an hour's drive, I am very interested in learning more about how and why people get into mineral collecting. This information will, hopefully, allow club and federation leaders to target the population sector that we need to advertise to if we want this hobby to keep going. To get useful results, though, you have to ask the right questions. Determining these questions is not the easiest thing in the world, but if you do it right you will have a very useful body of information. I think things like age, income, and education may be very important, but haven't yet really studied the issue. I don't know how huge of a project you want to make this into, but the potential is terrific. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? > Hey all- > You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. > I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds > on some new survey software I'm using for work. The > purpose would be to discover a little about us as a > "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would > be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If > you all thought this a good idea, I would share the > results with the list. > > Please let me know what you think. > > If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as > well. > If there is a positive or somewhat positive response > to my query here, I'll start building the survey in > the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via > email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, > even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, > so I'd like to have some fun with it. > Mulitple choice questions might include: > 1. How often do you collect? > 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you > make a year? > 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your > collection? > 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) > 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? > 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? > > As I've been participating in this list for the past > year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a > very varied bunch. But learning more about us will > also really help us think about enhancing our outreach > to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the > computer gen. > Please let me know your thoughts and question > ideas.... > (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer > users...but its better than nothing!) > look forward to your thoughts, > tina tuttle > aka tangojuli > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 28 12:13:08 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:13:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea Message-ID: <022820052013.11630.42237B540005846400002D6E2197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Gee, I thought lava was just.....lava. Other than the physical properties a la a`a or pahoehoe. Jeanette > > But for background on the Hawaiian lavas, I looked in the old reliable and > excellent book, "Volcanoes in the Sea, the Geology of Hawaii". It gave a > recap of the sequence of different kinds of lava erupted on each island (a > condensed version of which is given by Kreigh in his Hawaii trip report, via > his website link that he gave). > > The youthful (shield-building) stage of the volcanoes, which represents by > far the bulk of the lava erupted, is very fluid basalt magma; called > tholeiitic basalt, which means that it is relatively high in SiO2 content, > as basalt goes. > > The mature (caldera-forming) stage comes next, and toward the end of this > stage, the composition of the lavas gradually changes, becoming slightly > lower in silica and higher in Na and K, to gradually change from tholeiitic > basalt to alkali basalt. > > In the "old age", or postcaldera, stage, the calderas become filled by more > eruptions, and the lavas become still more gas-rich and alkali-rich; and the > lava types include some less common, alkali-rich types: hawaiite, mugearite, > trachyte, and ankaramite, as well as still some alkali basalt. These late > stage lavas form a cap over the older rocks that formed the bulk of the > volcano. In general, these lava types are similar to andesite rather than > basalt, but they are more alkali-rich than normal andesite. This is the > stage that Mauna Kea is in. > > The final, "rejuvenated" stage of activity, occurs after a long period > (thousands of years) of dormancy; the lavas erupted are very alkali-rich and > silica-poor; they include alkali basalt and the unusual types, nephelinite > and basanite. These types of lavas can be found on Oahu, Maui, Kauai, and > Molokai, but not yet on the Big Island. From TomE61 at aol.com Mon Feb 28 12:21:34 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:21:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhound Survey Message-ID: <1db.36bbf6d4.2f54d74e@aol.com> I think the idea of a survey is a GREAT idea and the questions already suggested are very valuable ones. I'd like to add: "What clubs or affiliations do you belong to?" There are organizations that aren't local to a hounder's area that might be interesting. For example, I am looking to join an affiliation based in the UK. I don't get there often, but I would enjoy getting news from them. Also, I don't want to make the survey onerous, but some of the questions should allow for feedback and narrative. I'm thinking of the question about fee collecting sites, in particular. In addition to naming the site(s), we should have the option of providing feedback. This is important because some of us often drive more than 5-8 hours to get to a site, and some of us, myself included, plan overnight stays around a particular site. In some of these locations, there might not be other things of interest EXCEPT the collecting site. Its also vital to alert us to collecting sites that aren't worth the drive. I visited a well known site in upstate New York that turned out to be a complete and utter waste of time. A nearby mountain, shown to us by a local, proved to be more productive. And yes, I will write all about it when the survey comes out ! Finally, I already know that the vast majority of people who post here are into rocks and/or fossils; I think I would enjoy knowing a little more about them, especially how they got into the hobby in the beginning. Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 28 12:39:26 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <00e401c51dcf$1f5272e0$06be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <001201c51dd5$98ddcf00$78f1edc1@mpc1> > We come together in the hobby, but sometimes we > never go beyond that to see who the people are, what they do for a living, > what they believe (careful with this one!) My advice? Stick with the rocks - the rest is dangerous territory. Like finding out your favourite author beat on his wife or something. Spoils the enjoyment of the book.... Mick From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 28 12:41:22 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:41:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <20050228194750.82665.qmail@web81401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c51dd5$ddb344c0$78f1edc1@mpc1> > Do you collect... > species? Yup > crystals? Sure > localities? Yes > fossils? Only for the mantlepiece > How long have you been collecting? Since I was 10 ... ages > Do you tumble? The spirit is willing, but.... > facet?, etc etc. > do you have a beard ? Sorta. Mick From afox at drizzle.com Mon Feb 28 12:44:23 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:44:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? In-Reply-To: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Hey all- > You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. > I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds > on some new survey software I'm using for work. The > purpose would be to discover a little about us as a > "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would > be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If > you all thought this a good idea, I would share the > results with the list. I think it would be a good idea, provided that the results are not used for any sort of a commercial activity (developing targeted marketing, advertising, etc). I think, personally, I'd also rather see an anonymous form (though this is technically impossible, as most Web survey software at least caches the requesting URL/ connection IP address, which can be used to match up known addresses to domains at a later date). Yes, I'm a suspicious bastard....:-) a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From morningstar at att.net Mon Feb 28 13:11:16 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Mon Feb 28 13:11:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? Message-ID: <022820052111.7498.422388F4000643F700001D4A21587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Hi Michael, Thanks for your kind offer. > there is NO "scientific specimens with no commercial value" category. As > far as customs is concerned, EVERYTHING has a value...even if it is only > $1.00. I was referring to that code "we" always talk about on the list, 907050000 I think (or something close to that). But that was just an example, this is a different issue. > What you need is the customs code for this item, most likely under optical > equipment. Once you have the code, you can see if it is a dutiable item. > As you had sent these items out for repair, it is not the same as purchase, > so obviously you should not be paying tax on them as if you bought them. I really do think I saw a code for "items sent for repair and return," but I could be wrong. It does make sense that there would be one for that purpose, since these items shouldn't be taxed at all. Well, I'd appreciate it if you can find anything, my search skills aren't what they once were. I enjoy your idea about telling them what they want to hear, so to speak, but I can't seem to win. I am trading specimens with someone in Australia, and the first box was held up forever, to the point where he accused me of not sending it. When I mailed him scans of the customs forms, he went to his local people, who proudly informed him the items were being held in quarantine because they were rocks. I acquired the Australian customs conventions from him, and meticulously labeled the next box with the appropriate technical terms to indicate it is exempt from quarantine. Well, he still doesn't have the box, and we suspect the zealots have it in quarantine once more. They're probably having the specimens analyzed to determine that they are what I said they are. Sheesh. Thanks, Don From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 13:20:04 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Feb 28 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhound survey replies-- Message-ID: <20050228212004.5151.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Tim, Jeannette, Anita and others: Thanks, I'm thrilled at your responses. Tim, you are quite right about survey methodology. I have taken a few courses in my phd program on survey methods recently and am conducting a few surveys for several universities for official research projects, but since I'm paying for this subscription, I wanted to do something that interested me about the hobby. You all have raised some really good questions-beyond what I was even thinking. I'd probably try to keep it under 35 questions (to keep response time under 20 minutes) and add a couple open questions. But I especially like Anita's questions about collecting habits and the other's suggestions about what people collect, and where folks are from. I would ask the list this: If we asked a question about how many "trespassed", do we really want this broadcast? While I haven't gotten so much as a parking ticket in 10 years and am pretty law abiding ( if you don't count chronic speeding), do I venture beyond certain boundaries sometimes? perhaps. Do I go into clearly marked -do not enter- areas like quarries? no. Would we want to report the extent to our "enthusiasm"? I find it fascinating--but do we want to put that in writing? :) I know that in some of the western land management debates, rock collectors are not always regarded favorably for some of our habits. Since we are a community, I welcome your thoughts on this. I'm not paid for this effort which leaves me free of agendas other than curiousity and helping the hobby. Here is what I propose. I'll keep pulling your suggestions together. On March 8 th or so, I'll put a list of the constructed questions that will go on the survey for final feedback and try to go live shortly after that. Since Tim J. suggested this might be helpful for clubs, we'll need to work out how to get those clubs on a distribution list to circulate the email link to their members. I can leave it live for about 2 weeks or so, then work on the reporting. So perhaps you all can be thinking about this. note--no more than say 600-700 responses (not that I think there are that many of us out there) otherwise I start paying a nickle for each response. In words--lets not get everyone at Tucson to respond! :) welcoming your additional responses, tina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BETDAV97 at aol.com Mon Feb 28 14:46:16 2005 From: BETDAV97 at aol.com (BETDAV97@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 14:46:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhound survey replies-- Message-ID: <56C93EDA.2CE708BC.0063F1E6@aol.com> The shorter you keep it, the more people you will have respond. I counted myself out when I saw the 35 questions and the 20 minute time period. Someone tried this on another list, the respnse was good only for the ones interested. The list was on Yahoo, and percentage wise, the response was small. My two cents, Dave From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 28 16:15:11 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 28 16:10:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of items internationally? References: <022820051750.9015.422359FC000164220000233721587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <4223B306.41E0@Tomaszewski.net> Don, 97050000 Mineral specimens for identification, negligable cash value. Kreigh morningstar@att.net wrote: > > Yes this is on-topic, basically... > > In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific specimens with no commercial value." > > I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right now I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or customs tax and so forth. > > The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic microscope--there is the topical link! > > Thanks, > Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 28 16:39:14 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 28 16:34:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? References: <022820052111.7498.422388F4000643F700001D4A21587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <4223B8A6.71E5@Tomaszewski.net> Don, Do a Google search for "Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States" and you will find several government websites that list the 8,000 or so code numbers and what they are for. Kreigh morningstar@att.net wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for your kind offer. > > > there is NO "scientific specimens with no commercial value" category. As > > far as customs is concerned, EVERYTHING has a value...even if it is only > > $1.00. > > I was referring to that code "we" always talk about on the list, 907050000 I > think (or something close to that). But that was just an example, this is a > different issue. > > > What you need is the customs code for this item, most likely under optical > > equipment. Once you have the code, you can see if it is a dutiable item. > > As you had sent these items out for repair, it is not the same as purchase, > > so obviously you should not be paying tax on them as if you bought them. > > I really do think I saw a code for "items sent for repair and return," but I > could be wrong. It does make sense that there would be one for that purpose, > since these items shouldn't be taxed at all. Well, I'd appreciate it if you can > find anything, my search skills aren't what they once were. > > > > Thanks, > Don > From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Mon Feb 28 16:53:57 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Feb 28 16:55:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? References: <022820052111.7498.422388F4000643F700001D4A21587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Australia is a problem that way....they held the items because of possible soil contamination. They worry about disease because of germs in the soil. I went through the same thing once. In the future, if you label it with that proper code (97050000 Geological samples for scientific study purposes), and put in big letters below it: CONTAINS NO SOIL this has worked for me. I know there is definitely no single code for items returning to Canada anyway.....but something you can write about the goods simply being repaired or value added. ie: we send a parcel of sapphire rough worth $5000 to Sri Lanka for cutting. It costs us $500 for the cutting, and when it comes back, we have a receipt for $500 VA (value added). If anything, we would pay tax on the $500 only for the service charge of curring the material. We once had a customs guy try to charge us 17% tax on the RETAIL value of the insured value of the package. We complained and proved that the material had been sent out and the only difference between the material was the $500 in cutting charges.....why should we pay tax twice on the same item? ridiculous.....we didn't in the end. anyway, what I have found that looks pretty close is: 90.02 LENSES, PRISMS, MIRRORS AND OTHER OPTICAL ELEMENTS, OF ANY MATERIAL, MOUNTED, BEING PARTS OF OR FITTINGS FOR INSTRUMENTS OR APPARATUS, OTHER THAN SUCH ELEMENTS OF GLASS NOT TYPICALLY WORKED: subheading: 9002.19.10.00 For Microscopes now, there is no duty applicable for this item. and it seems right. essentially, I can pretty much guarantee you that any customs guy you get is going to be familiar with about 2% of this harmonised code. If you come up with a code that looks generally good, 99% of the time they don't look any further. We have brought in goods into Canada that had close to half a dozen codes that may have been an applicable match.....if you go to some kind of effort, that's generally all they care about. anyway, here's the PDF file link for the CANADIAN listings....the numbers will be the same, but the duties may be different from country to country. there is, from what I can see, no single listing for goods coming back to a country. I really don't think it exists....it's simply something you have to prove to them. and, in the end, it's better just to "buy" the things and have a receipt enclosed for them.... hope this helps Michael http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/publications/tariff2003/table-e.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Michael Schmidt" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for your kind offer. > >> there is NO "scientific specimens with no commercial value" category. As >> far as customs is concerned, EVERYTHING has a value...even if it is only >> $1.00. > > I was referring to that code "we" always talk about on the list, 907050000 > I > think (or something close to that). But that was just an example, this is > a > different issue. > >> What you need is the customs code for this item, most likely under >> optical >> equipment. Once you have the code, you can see if it is a dutiable item. >> As you had sent these items out for repair, it is not the same as >> purchase, >> so obviously you should not be paying tax on them as if you bought them. > > I really do think I saw a code for "items sent for repair and return," but > I > could be wrong. It does make sense that there would be one for that > purpose, > since these items shouldn't be taxed at all. Well, I'd appreciate it if > you can > find anything, my search skills aren't what they once were. > > I enjoy your idea about telling them what they want to hear, so to speak, > but I can't seem to win. I am trading specimens with someone in > Australia, and the first box was held up forever, to the point where he > accused me of not sending it. When I mailed him scans of the customs > forms, he went to his local people, who proudly informed him the items > were being held in quarantine because they were rocks. I acquired the > Australian customs conventions from him, and meticulously labeled the next > box with the appropriate technical terms to indicate it is exempt from > quarantine. Well, he still doesn't have the box, and we suspect the > zealots have it in quarantine once more. They're probably having the > specimens analyzed to determine that they are what I said they are. > Sheesh. > > Thanks, > Don > > From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Mon Feb 28 17:12:44 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:13:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? References: <022820051750.9015.422359FC000164220000233721587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <4223B306.41E0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: never write something as undefined as "negligable"....to someone worth $10,000, that means $10...to someone worth $100,000,000, that means $50,000. I guarantee you a customs agent is going to think a $5.00 emerald crystal is worth $10,000 because it's an "emerald" always give an amount, or customs will assign an amount! $5, $10, $20....whatever. EVERYHTING has value...even if it is only $1.00 also, never write a name as specific as emerald, or sapphire, or ruby.....say something like opaque red or blue corndum crystal, hexagonal green beryl crystal in matrix.....don't let their extremely limited knowledge (basic ignorance) of gems and minerals cost you money by them assigning huge values to common items and YOU having to later disprove it. I once specified on a fossil shipment the words "dinosaur eggs". BIG MISTAKE! They almost ended up in Agriculture because the woman ACTUALLY thought there were still live little baby dinosaurs in them! It took me 20 minutes of very patient explaining to convince her otherwise...all because of Jurassic Park!!! I never again labelled them that way and never again had a problem in more than 50 shipments. the proper description for minerals/fossils is: 9705.00.00 Collections and collector's pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, .......palaeonyological interest. subcategories: 9705.00.00.40 Mineralogical Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? > Don, > > 97050000 Mineral specimens for identification, negligable cash value. > > Kreigh > > > > morningstar@att.net wrote: >> >> Yes this is on-topic, basically... >> >> In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international >> tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific >> specimens with no commercial value." >> >> I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right now >> I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being >> sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or >> customs tax and so forth. >> >> The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic >> microscope--there is the topical link! >> >> Thanks, >> Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Mon Feb 28 17:12:44 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:13:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? References: <022820051750.9015.422359FC000164220000233721587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <4223B306.41E0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: never write something as undefined as "negligable"....to someone worth $10,000, that means $10...to someone worth $100,000,000, that means $50,000. I guarantee you a customs agent is going to think a $5.00 emerald crystal is worth $10,000 because it's an "emerald" always give an amount, or customs will assign an amount! $5, $10, $20....whatever. EVERYHTING has value...even if it is only $1.00 also, never write a name as specific as emerald, or sapphire, or ruby.....say something like opaque red or blue corndum crystal, hexagonal green beryl crystal in matrix.....don't let their extremely limited knowledge (basic ignorance) of gems and minerals cost you money by them assigning huge values to common items and YOU having to later disprove it. I once specified on a fossil shipment the words "dinosaur eggs". BIG MISTAKE! They almost ended up in Agriculture because the woman ACTUALLY thought there were still live little baby dinosaurs in them! It took me 20 minutes of very patient explaining to convince her otherwise...all because of Jurassic Park!!! I never again labelled them that way and never again had a problem in more than 50 shipments. the proper description for minerals/fossils is: 9705.00.00 Collections and collector's pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, .......palaeonyological interest. subcategories: 9705.00.00.40 Mineralogical Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? > Don, > > 97050000 Mineral specimens for identification, negligable cash value. > > Kreigh > > > > morningstar@att.net wrote: >> >> Yes this is on-topic, basically... >> >> In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international >> tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific >> specimens with no commercial value." >> >> I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right now >> I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being >> sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or >> customs tax and so forth. >> >> The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic >> microscope--there is the topical link! >> >> Thanks, >> Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 28 17:25:42 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:21:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus References: Message-ID: <4223C383.377@Tomaszewski.net> I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. Kreigh Return-Path: Received: from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 Received: from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 From: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-JunkMail: NotJunk X-MFData: [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 t0,70817] X-UIDL: 253877 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > Jackie > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > Encoding: base64 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 28 18:04:00 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:59:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4223CC79.10A9@Tomaszewski.net> Tina, Finding more about rockhounds is a good idea. Many of us are active in clubs, and any clues as to where/how to find more members would be welcome to most (based on past discussions). May I suggest you focus on three target areas... Personal demographics to build a profile (or profiles) of typical rockhounds. Usual age, education, occupation, demographic stuff, but you might want to make the financial stuff optional or leave it out to improve response rates. Don't forget family demographics (and think about what kind of families produced rockhounds instead of just what kind of families rockhounds have). Collection demographics to see what a typical collection looks like. How big is their collection, how acquired (collect,buy,trade), how displayed, viewed by how many people annually, cataloged, online, special mineral focus, biggest, smallest, most of 1 species, etc. Hobby participation to see what rockhounds do with their hobby time. # & length of collecting trips, # trades/purchases, study and cataloging time, specimen preparation, lapidary and what types & abount of time, club activities, online clubs/groups, etc. ...and maybe throw in a few wildcard questions (rock on your desk, what kind of pet, hair/eye color, type of vehicle, favorite food, house color, other hobby interests, etc.) for some fun stats and correlations. Go for it! Kreigh tango juli wrote: > > Hey all- > You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. > I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds > on some new survey software I'm using for work. The > purpose would be to discover a little about us as a > "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would > be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If > you all thought this a good idea, I would share the > results with the list. > > Please let me know what you think. > > If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as > well. > If there is a positive or somewhat positive response > to my query here, I'll start building the survey in > the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via > email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, > even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, > so I'd like to have some fun with it. > Mulitple choice questions might include: > 1. How often do you collect? > 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you > make a year? > 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your > collection? > 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) > 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? > 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? > > As I've been participating in this list for the past > year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a > very varied bunch. But learning more about us will > also really help us think about enhancing our outreach > to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the > computer gen. > Please let me know your thoughts and question > ideas.... > (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer > users...but its better than nothing!) > look forward to your thoughts, > tina tuttle > aka tangojuli From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 28 19:01:13 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 28 18:56:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net><004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete><42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> <42229306.2A3A@Tomaszewski.net> <00c401c51d50$80895440$b4a6490c@pete> Message-ID: <4223D9DA.2C23@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/b/bird/isabella/hawaii/chapter27.html Isabella L. Bird The Hawaiian Archipelago ... continuing similar studies on the olivine basalts on Mauna Kea. ... measured the 36C1 activity in a phonolite from 3260 m ... cover, and from the 20-year-old wreck of ... arjournals.annualreviews.org/ doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.ea.22.050194.001421 http://petrology.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/42/9/1685 The Role of Tonalite and Diorite in Mauna Kea Volcano, Hawaii, Magmatism: Petrology... FODOR J. Petrology.2001; 42: 1685-1704. http://www.the-conference.com/JConfAbs/6/MS01.pdf. Geochemistry, Structure, and Dynamics of the Earth???s Mantle Chris Ballentine Mark Rehk*?mper David Price http://www.mantleplumes.org/Penrose/BookChapterPDFs/Green_Accepted.pdf. Primary magmas at mid-ocean ridges, ???hot spots??? and other intraplate settings; constraints on mantle potential temperature David H. Green and Trevor J. Falloon http://petrology.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/44/1/113 Geochemistry of Lavas from the Emperor Seamounts, and the Geochemical Evolution... REGELOUS et al. J. Petrology.2003; 44: 113-140. ... alkali olivine basalttrachy- basalttrachyandesite nepheline-normative trachy- te--*phonolite. ... of Hawaii as observed for example in Mauna Kea (MacDonald, 1968). ... www.springerlink.com/index/T1057HG143X554WP.pdf And there were some others I didn't find again (a few references out of the papers, and some query hits suggested by the papers I was reading and can't remember now). I'll be interested to hear what you find in the geologic map once you find it. Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Hi again, Kreigh, > > Well, that's interesting, while I was typing a message about the evolution > of the lavas, saying that apparently there is no phonolite on Mauna Kea, you > were posting a message saying that you'd read that the adz quarry rock was, > indeed, phonolite. Perhaps you can email me (do it offline, perhaps) the > url to the papers about the adz quarry; and I really try to look up a > geologic map of Mauna Kea, just out of curiousity. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > > > Hi Pete, > > > > It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} > > > > And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some > > seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to > > produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano > > chemistry from research before and after my trip there. > > > > This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > > Capt. Cook arrived. > > > > The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds > > of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few > > odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some > > clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated > > the help. > > > > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > > collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because > > other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have > > already been tested and published. > > > > I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed > > light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. > > > > Kreigh > > > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 28 19:10:50 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 28 19:06:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite References: <42213AC8.16A2@Tomaszewski.net><004901c51c7c$ac7ca720$24a5490c@pete> <42214774.34D7@Tomaszewski.net> <005301c51ced$087c06e0$b4a6490c@pete> <42229306.2A3A@Tomaszewski.net> <009d01c51d54$e1061de0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <4223DC19.34E1@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Kitty, Keyboards may have gone digital, but its still a typewronger to my fingers. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi Kreigh, > > Bill and I are interested in your conclusion regarding phonolite, and Bill > says he will see what his friends in the geology department say. Sounds > great, because we have been wondering about it. > > But please be sure you have the spelling of Mauna Kea correct when you make > your label. It's not Moana Kea nor Mona Kea (earlier message). Isn't it > amazing what one's fingers can do without one's eyes observing or brain > registrating? > > Aloha, Kitty > > This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > > Capt. Cook arrived. > > > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > > collection) > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Feb 28 19:58:41 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Feb 28 19:58:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> <4223CC79.10A9@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002201c51e12$f5510760$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I might suggest asking what got the person filling out the survey intersted in rocks. I found a rock in the shape and size of a pickle when I was about 5 years old. I wanted to learn why it was shaped so funny and more about rocks. That rock is still part of my collection (a river worn piece of limestone), although I haven't collected any more pickle shaped rocks (unless they had a fossil or mineral in them) since I was about 6. Alan > Personal demographics to build a profile (or profiles) of typical > rockhounds. Usual age, education, occupation, demographic stuff, but > you might want to make the financial stuff optional or leave it out > to improve response rates. Don't forget family demographics (and > think about what kind of families produced rockhounds instead of > just what kind of families rockhounds have). > > Collection demographics to see what a typical collection looks like. > How big is their collection, how acquired (collect,buy,trade), how > displayed, viewed by how many people annually, cataloged, online, > special mineral focus, biggest, smallest, most of 1 species, etc. > > Hobby participation to see what rockhounds do with their hobby time. > # & length of collecting trips, # trades/purchases, study and > cataloging time, specimen preparation, lapidary and what types & > abount of time, club activities, online clubs/groups, etc. > > ...and maybe throw in a few wildcard questions (rock on your desk, what > kind of pet, hair/eye color, type of vehicle, favorite food, house > color, other hobby interests, etc.) for some fun stats and correlations. > > Go for it! > > Kreigh > > > > > > tango juli wrote: >> >> Hey all- >> You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. >> I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds >> on some new survey software I'm using for work. The >> purpose would be to discover a little about us as a >> "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would >> be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If >> you all thought this a good idea, I would share the >> results with the list. >> >> Please let me know what you think. >> >> If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as >> well. >> If there is a positive or somewhat positive response >> to my query here, I'll start building the survey in >> the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via >> email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, >> even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, >> so I'd like to have some fun with it. >> Mulitple choice questions might include: >> 1. How often do you collect? >> 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you >> make a year? >> 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your >> collection? >> 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) >> 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? >> 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? >> >> As I've been participating in this list for the past >> year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a >> very varied bunch. But learning more about us will >> also really help us think about enhancing our outreach >> to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the >> computer gen. >> Please let me know your thoughts and question >> ideas.... >> (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer >> users...but its better than nothing!) >> look forward to your thoughts, >> tina tuttle >> aka tangojuli > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Feb 28 20:25:36 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:25:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Att: Kreigh References: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> <4223CC79.10A9@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c51e12$f5510760$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <4223EEC0.8010000@cox.net> Kreigh, FYI Terrie > Terrie..t'is not me..I'm virus free..it's spoofed..I'm on cable..and I > am using AOL..and Charter.net for my bird lists. > Please tell Kreigh it's not from me..k? > Jackie Kreigh, Jackie is --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Feb 28 21:01:29 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Mon Feb 28 21:01:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhound survey replies-- References: <20050228212004.5151.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4223F729.4010604@cox.net> Tina, I am Chair of the CFMS Publicity/Public Relations Committee. I know your information can be sent on to each and every Society within CFMS, and of course AFMS. I would be happy to forward this on for you. Teresa Masters From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Feb 28 21:03:56 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 28 21:04:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <20050228194122.33667.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com><4223CC79.10A9@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c51e12$f5510760$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000701c51e1c$12be34e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> That special "first rock" may be an interesting topic for here if not on the survey. I have my first "collected" rock, finally back in my possession. My first rocks (actually minerals) were specimens given to me by Dr. Powell at Auburn University (Alabama Polytechical College at the time) while visiting my sister in school there. I was about 8 at the time. He entrusted an 8 yo budding rockpup with a crystal of tourmaline, a cube of galena, and a dinosaur crop stone. They remained very special to me for years, but I made the mistake of leaving them with my mother when I left home. She cleaned out my old room and disposed of the dusty old rocks in the closet by throwing them away. My "collected" rock was a huge (to me) 10 lb rock of pink granite(?) I lugged to the car from under the graduate house at the University. I hope the University will overlook my collecting on private property at the age of 8. Anyway, my mother tossed that rock out into the flower bed where it stayed for the next 30 years until I retrieved it before selling the house. Jeanette I'm willing that rock to one of my grandkids......maybe.....if she stays interested in rockhounding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? > I might suggest asking what got the person filling out the survey intersted > in rocks. > I found a rock in the shape and size of a pickle when I was about 5 years > old. I wanted to learn why it was shaped so funny and more about rocks. That > rock is still part of my collection (a river worn piece of limestone), > although I haven't collected any more pickle shaped rocks (unless they had a > fossil or mineral in them) since I was about 6. > > Alan > > > Personal demographics to build a profile (or profiles) of typical > > rockhounds. Usual age, education, occupation, demographic stuff, but > > you might want to make the financial stuff optional or leave it out > > to improve response rates. Don't forget family demographics (and > > think about what kind of families produced rockhounds instead of > > just what kind of families rockhounds have). > > > > Collection demographics to see what a typical collection looks like. > > How big is their collection, how acquired (collect,buy,trade), how > > displayed, viewed by how many people annually, cataloged, online, > > special mineral focus, biggest, smallest, most of 1 species, etc. > > > > Hobby participation to see what rockhounds do with their hobby time. > > # & length of collecting trips, # trades/purchases, study and > > cataloging time, specimen preparation, lapidary and what types & > > abount of time, club activities, online clubs/groups, etc. > > > > ...and maybe throw in a few wildcard questions (rock on your desk, what > > kind of pet, hair/eye color, type of vehicle, favorite food, house > > color, other hobby interests, etc.) for some fun stats and correlations. > > > > Go for it! > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > tango juli wrote: > >> > >> Hey all- > >> You know, we are a pretty interesting bunch. > >> I was thinking about doing a survey of us rockhounds > >> on some new survey software I'm using for work. The > >> purpose would be to discover a little about us as a > >> "social" group, our habits, interests, etc. It would > >> be for curiousity as well as a possible article. If > >> you all thought this a good idea, I would share the > >> results with the list. > >> > >> Please let me know what you think. > >> > >> If you would like to suggest questions, let me know as > >> well. > >> If there is a positive or somewhat positive response > >> to my query here, I'll start building the survey in > >> the next 2 weeks. The software allows a quick link via > >> email that is extremely painless and fast to respond, > >> even on dial up. I have a subscription for 2 months, > >> so I'd like to have some fun with it. > >> Mulitple choice questions might include: > >> 1. How often do you collect? > >> 2. How many overnight collecting or show trips do you > >> make a year? > >> 3. How many labelled specimens do you have in your > >> collection? > >> 4. How many shows per year to you attend (as a buyer?) > >> 5. What is your primary (or former) profession? > >> 6. What other hobbies do you participate regularly in? > >> > >> As I've been participating in this list for the past > >> year and half or so, I've learned a lot, and we are a > >> very varied bunch. But learning more about us will > >> also really help us think about enhancing our outreach > >> to younger folks to keep the hobby alive with the > >> computer gen. > >> Please let me know your thoughts and question > >> ideas.... > >> (PS--yes, I know--we'll have skewed sample of computer > >> users...but its better than nothing!) > >> look forward to your thoughts, > >> tina tuttle > >> aka tangojuli > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From arf at mc.net Mon Feb 28 21:04:52 2005 From: arf at mc.net (Jack Schmidling) Date: Mon Feb 28 21:05:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky Topaz Message-ID: <039601c51e1c$3a9f8ea0$295d70d1@S0033035959> A friend gave us a ring with very large emerald cut stone that she claims is smokey topaz. I tried proving that it was not topaz but ended up uncertain. My reading of RI is right between quartz and topaz and it seems a bit harder to scratch than quartz. Is "smokey" a natural form of topaz. js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.com From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Mon Feb 28 21:36:26 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Mon Feb 28 21:37:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky Topaz References: <039601c51e1c$3a9f8ea0$295d70d1@S0033035959> Message-ID: <11f2101c51e20$9ccbb5f0$6402a8c0@remains> topaz is available in a variety of colours...from colourless, to red and pink and orange, to blues and beiges...and yes, watered down coca-cola colours.... most of what was seen in jewellery and called "smokey topaz" was in fact simply smokey quartz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Schmidling" To: "aRockhounds" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky Topaz >A friend gave us a ring with very large emerald cut stone that she claims >is > smokey topaz. I tried proving that it was not topaz but ended up > uncertain. > My reading of RI is right between quartz and topaz and it seems a bit > harder > to scratch than quartz. > > Is "smokey" a natural form of topaz. > > js > > > PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm > Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds