From mineral.maertens at att.net Wed Jun 1 03:32:02 2005 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Wed Jun 1 03:31:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information mindat.org photographers In-Reply-To: <200505150101.j4F11730021235@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: How do I contact photographers who submitted their pictures to mindat.org Anyone know how to reach M. R. Heintzelman or Karl Volkman? Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ Can February March? No, but April May. From magnet at crocoite.com Wed Jun 1 03:59:03 2005 From: magnet at crocoite.com (magnet) Date: Wed Jun 1 03:59:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information mindat.org photographers Message-ID: <20050601105903.20188.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Johan Place an "ad" in the Mindat Message Board --> http://www.mindat.org/forum.php Regards Steve -------Original Message------- > From: "Johan Maertens" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information mindat.org photographers > Sent: 01 Jun 2005 00:32:02 > > How do I contact photographers who submitted their pictures to > mindat.org From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 1 08:56:44 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 1 08:55:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information mindat.orgphotographers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Johan, I think that you may have to go via Mr. Jolyon (or somehing like that) the webmaster of mindat.org. E-mail Richard De Nul, he knows him personally. >Can February March? No, but April May. In my days, humor like that was punishable by Decemberment. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Johan Maertens Verzonden: woensdag 1 juni 2005 12:32 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information mindat.orgphotographers How do I contact photographers who submitted their pictures to mindat.org Anyone know how to reach M. R. Heintzelman or Karl Volkman? Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ Can February March? No, but April May. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From davisj at earthlink.net Wed Jun 1 09:42:05 2005 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Wed Jun 1 09:42:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is the quality of the stuff you are seeing/bought?????? Make sure you are very very knowledable before you purchase. In my experience I have found that most turquoise sold today is stabilized. Good quality unstabilized is very hard to find and is expensive. From jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com Wed Jun 1 10:02:52 2005 From: jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Wed Jun 1 10:02:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was an ebay parcel.....5 lbs small to medium slabbed pieces (avg size about 1 inch) of all kinds of turquoise..from an estate sale. Took a chance...cost $59.45 incl. shipping for about 5 lbs...figured it was worth is to get it already slabbed. Jeanne On 6/1/05 6:42 PM, "Joe Davis" wrote: > > What is the quality of the stuff you are seeing/bought?????? Make sure you > are very very knowledable before you purchase. In my experience I have > found that most turquoise sold today is stabilized. Good quality > unstabilized is very hard to find and is expensive. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Jun 1 10:42:49 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Wed Jun 1 10:42:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c566d1$3e9e31c0$0200a8c0@gametime> Jeanne: I am by no means an expert on Turquoise. But to give you some quick answers. Turquoise is a hydrated phosphate http://www.mindat.org/min-4060.html. And yes, it can be quite light, but that is a very relative term. http://www.americana.net/jewelry_turquoise_quality_article.html or http://www.hartmansmercantile.com/turquoiseinfo.htm for a succinct history. The practical side of turquoise value is difficult. Turquoise is gauged on color and hardness. Hardness here is a dual edged description. For turquoise it includes the overall hardness of the stone and the stones ability to take a polish. I call it overall hardness because Turquoise is a 5-6 on the MOHS scale, but some turquoise can be scratched easily. I suspect the reason is that turquoise with a higher porosity appears to be softer. This porosity also directly affects polish. The reality is that there is plenty of poor grade turquoise and very little high grade turquoise. The porosity of the poor grade turquoise actually lends itself to "stabilization". Impregnating poor quality turquoise with a resin improves both the color saturation and hardness of the stone. Be aware, there are also manufacturers (think China) who grind up hydrated phosphate, compress it with pigment and resin and produce a fair imitation of stabilized turquoise. Stabilized turquoise is worth more than poor grade unstabilized turquoise. So yes, you can say that the value of the poor grade turquoise is improved. Good to high grade turquoise does not need stabilization and is easily worth more than any stabilized turquoise. High grade turquoise will be priced by the carat, especially when cut an polished. For a reasonable description: http://www.thesantafesite.com/Articles/truthonturquoise.html There is no guarantee without resorting to formal gemological tests on whether turquoise is stabilized or unstabilized. Others on this list might be able to help with suggestions. Old turquoise miners are known to feel the stone with their fingers and to rub the stone with their teeth (kinda like pearls). Rough turquoise should feel waxy/chalky and not like plastic. To the essentials; that is, your purchase. You will have to look over your stones and decide whether they are stabilized. As far as value, whether your stones are stabilized or unstabilized you can get your money's worth from this pile if you end up using them as practice stones or kid giveaways. I notice that the seller emphasizes the word "shaved", so I assume that most of your pieces are thin. I do see some pieces of slabs so there should be pieces thick enough to work with. But you will have to sift through and decide which stones are keepers and which are not. In the future though, I recommend that you contact reputable rock shops. At $67 ($51.99 + $7.50), I believe you might do better going through the "mine run" stuff that better dealers and rock shops offer. http://www.turquoiserough.com/rough_turquoise_mountain-turquoise.shtml Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne Rhodes Moen Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:32 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors; orchid@ganoksin.com; joolcrafting@yahoogroups.com; JewelryArts; lapidary@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? Hi all, I've been ebaying for supplies and picked up 5 lbs of sliced turquoise rough..probably from Arizona for about $60. I was trying to find turquoise prices by lb or gram online....this worked out to about 2.6 cents per gram, which for sliced material seems really good to me...but much of what I saw online for sale for around 35-40 cents a gram was stablized. I suspect the stuff I am getting is natural/untreated. How do prices compare w/ Stabilized turquoise? Is Natural turquoise cheaper or more expensive on average than Stabilized stuff? BTW...isn't turquoise fairly light material? Wouldn't stabilized stuff actually be heavier than natural material? If anyone wants to see the lot..go to ebay and put in 4998629565 in the search field. That's the item number. Wasn't sure if the ebay link would be filtered out or not (know it is on orchid). Thanks, Jeanne _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Jun 1 10:53:36 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Wed Jun 1 10:53:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? In-Reply-To: <002a01c566d1$3e9e31c0$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <003001c566d2$c0c5c900$0200a8c0@gametime> Oops my math is off... Hard to believe I used the calculator too. I must've mistyped or misread. Should be $59.49 At $67 ($51.99 + $7.50), Ted From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Jun 1 13:13:41 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Jun 1 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting forbidden rocks and their illegal export. In-Reply-To: <002801c565d5$759fe620$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <200506012013.j51KDhVI029994@outmx028.isp.belgacom.be> FYI : I am very interested by this subject, and since some time I try to collect information on restrictions and rules per country. If anyone has information on this topic I would be interested to receive it. Thanks ! I will share the information later. Please reply directly to rik.dillen@skynet.be, as I will unsubscribe next saturday (will be traveling for 4 weeks). Thanks for any information, and best regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:40 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting forbidden rocks and their illegal export. Some places it is not permitted to collect rocks and permits are needed to export them. In many cases the ban is understandable and as the population increases I am sure the restrictions will become greater. In some cases the restrictions and controls seem foolish. In many countries you have to get various kinds of permits to export minerals and rocks. Often these are instituted by the government in an attempt to collect taxes on the goods exported and to see that the dollars and/or other hard currencies paid form go directly to the government who will then remit the money in the local currency only, often at lower rate than the free market exchange rate. Sometimes the laws are more directed to try and make sure that "cultural treasures" do not leave the country. Countries like Canada have laws that prohibit the export of mineral specimens valued at more than $5,000? unless you apply for and get the proper permit. Iceland also requires a permit to export as well as Namibia etc etc. Many of them are not designed to make any money for the country but to save valuable objects from leaving the country. If you would talk to the people involved in making and enforcing these laws and ask them what kind of laws they have on the books to keep mining companies from blasting these valuable and presumably cherished items from being blown to bits during the mining process they would look at you like they would regard a mentally unbalanced person. It is perfectly OK to destroy any number of wonderful mineral specimens during normal mining and quarry operations and most mines and quarries actively try and prevent the collecting and saving of them. Once however someone had gone to considerable trouble to collect and preserve them, they all of a sudden become interesting to the government to try and control. There is something wrong here. I wonder if the Canadian law applies to the companies who mine diamonds. Do they make the diamond companies get an export permit for every diamond that they sell out of the country that is worth more than $5000? Of course if the natural diamond crystal is destroyed say by cutting it into a faceted stone there would be no problem exporting it. Something seems a little out of whack here. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From barny at mindspring.com Wed Jun 1 13:42:27 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Wed Jun 1 13:36:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] arizona Message-ID: to list will be going to Flagstaff and Mesa Az soon, any suggestions on collecting that is easy to access? also any rock shops to recommend? thanks peggy From xossfs at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 13:42:47 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Wed Jun 1 13:42:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] arizona In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050601204247.44173.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> which direction are you coming form. There is a large number of collecting locals along I 40 to the east of Flagstaff for pet. wood. --- Peggy Barnhill wrote: > to list > > will be going to Flagstaff and Mesa Az soon, > > any suggestions on collecting that is easy to > access? > > also any rock shops to recommend? > thanks > > peggy > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jun 1 16:20:07 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jun 1 16:20:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <20050601204247.44173.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050601204247.44173.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050601161549.026a22a0@mail.spiritone.com> I would like to know where these locations are, other than the poor collecting areas described in Gem Trails (ahem). I was there twice and managed to find exactly one ranch that allowed collecting (which has since stopped); and of course tens of rock shops that were closed mouthed about their sites. I found that none of the previously extant collecting "trips" offered by these shops were still operating. They would rather sell you the wood at the tourist price than at a rockhound dig-it-yourself price... At 01:42 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: >which direction are you coming form. There is a large >number of collecting locals along I 40 to the east of >Flagstaff for pet. wood. > > >--- Peggy Barnhill wrote: > > > to list > > > > will be going to Flagstaff and Mesa Az soon, > > > > any suggestions on collecting that is easy to > > access? > > > > also any rock shops to recommend? > > thanks > > > > peggy > > >Stephen F. Stover >PH (281) 829-1102 >xossfs@yahoo.com > >Wanting to hunt rocks >and play games every day! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kahako at verizon.net Wed Jun 1 16:52:13 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Jun 1 16:52:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an Absolutely Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about rockhounds having beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that indeed many male rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other hobbies. A few females responded that they had none. ;) So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick a country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think of people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if there are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add other Polish names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of course, like "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, French, Arab, etc. Kreigh Tomaszewski Ted Kowalski Greg Lesinski Rob Kulakofsky Peter Modreski Rob Lavinsky Paul Bordovsky Morgen Bahurinski Jjunkroski Strzelecki (Australia) Aloha, Kitty From rocks4u at prodigy.net Wed Jun 1 17:22:22 2005 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Wed Jun 1 17:29:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Be careful here Kitty! You might just start an un-intended flame war. My name is of German extraction (Lingerfelt) and I imagine there are quite a few out there that are similar. I doubt that ethnic origins has anything to do with being a rock hound. All it takes is a brain to see the beauty of the rocks and not a certain bloodline. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: > > The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an Absolutely > Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about rockhounds having > beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that indeed many male > rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other hobbies. A few > females responded that they had none. ;) > > So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or > people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to > pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, > there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize > one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick > a country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think > of people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if > there are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add other > Polish names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of course, > like "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: Japanese, > Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, French, Arab, > etc. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > Ted Kowalski > Greg Lesinski > Rob Kulakofsky > Peter Modreski > Rob Lavinsky > Paul Bordovsky > Morgen Bahurinski > Jjunkroski > Strzelecki (Australia) > > Aloha, Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Jun 1 17:44:30 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed Jun 1 17:46:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> <01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Message-ID: <06d401c5670c$43f2c7e0$12b4010a@warren> I am English, Scotch, Czech, Russian, Bohemian, Irish, Dutch, Indian and possibly a bit of French...and I married this short cute rockhound of mostly German descent...go figure. Julie Siebel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > Be careful here Kitty! You might just start an un-intended flame war. My > name is of German extraction (Lingerfelt) and I imagine there are quite a > few out there that are similar. I doubt that ethnic origins has anything > to do with being a rock hound. All it takes is a brain to see the beauty > of the rocks and not a certain bloodline. > Cheers! > Wes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:52 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > > >> It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: >> >> The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an >> Absolutely Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about >> rockhounds having beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that >> indeed many male rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other >> hobbies. A few females responded that they had none. ;) >> >> So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or >> people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to >> pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, >> there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize >> one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick >> a country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think >> of people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if >> there are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add >> other Polish names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of >> course, like "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: >> Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, >> French, Arab, etc. >> >> Kreigh Tomaszewski >> Ted Kowalski >> Greg Lesinski >> Rob Kulakofsky >> Peter Modreski >> Rob Lavinsky >> Paul Bordovsky >> Morgen Bahurinski >> Jjunkroski >> Strzelecki (Australia) >> >> Aloha, Kitty >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bova at mindspring.com Wed Jun 1 17:50:26 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Wed Jun 1 17:50:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <4F677E21-D300-11D9-B42F-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Add Bova to the list.. Besides my Italian half, my mother was Polish. *g* Carol On Wednesday, June 1, 2005, at 07:52 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: > > The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an > Absolutely Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about > rockhounds having beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was > that indeed many male rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in > other hobbies. A few females responded that they had none. ;) > > So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or > people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try > to pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic > group, there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I > realize one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the > name. But pick a country or area that has names that clearly > identify, and try to think of people on this list or prominent in our > field that match, and see if there are more than the 10 I have listed > below. Or also can you add other Polish names? Some names are a bit > hard to positively label, of course, like "English." But what about > the ones that are pretty clear: Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Spanish > or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, French, Arab, etc. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > Ted Kowalski > Greg Lesinski > Rob Kulakofsky > Peter Modreski > Rob Lavinsky > Paul Bordovsky > Morgen Bahurinski > Jjunkroski > Strzelecki (Australia) > > Aloha, Kitty > > ____________________________________________ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 1 18:05:26 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:05:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <429E5B3C.2DDF@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Kitty, If you would like to find out a bit more about Polish surnames go to http://www.polishroots.com/genpoland/surnames.htm It may be that the Polish are rockhounds because they have a bit of polish in their background. It seems like a capital explanation to me. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: > > The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an Absolutely > Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about rockhounds having > beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that indeed many male > rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other hobbies. A few > females responded that they had none. ;) > > So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or > people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to > pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, > there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize one > cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick a > country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think of > people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if there > are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add other Polish > names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of course, like > "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: Japanese, > Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, French, Arab, > etc. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > Ted Kowalski > Greg Lesinski > Rob Kulakofsky > Peter Modreski > Rob Lavinsky > Paul Bordovsky > Morgen Bahurinski > Jjunkroski > Strzelecki (Australia) > > Aloha, Kitty From kahako at verizon.net Wed Jun 1 18:17:19 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:17:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> <01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601150240.0260f9b8@incoming.verizon.net> Oh, come on, Wes. I said it was a silly, frivolous question, and I said nothing derogatory about anyone or any ethnic group. I did not use national or ethnic "nicknames." My background is Scottish, German and Jewish, and I live in a place called the Melting Pot of the Pacific---with neighbors and friends of every possible name and color. I never suggested---nor would I ever think---that ethnic origins had anything to do with being a rock hound or any profession or hobbyist. I thought---as did Aaron---that it was a funny question, and I see nothing in it that should offend anyone. Aloha, Kitty >Be careful here Kitty! You might just start an un-intended flame war. My >name is of German extraction (Lingerfelt) and I imagine there are quite a >few out there that are similar. I doubt that ethnic origins has anything >to do with being a rock hound. All it takes is a brain to see the beauty >of the rocks and not a certain bloodline. >Cheers! >Wes >>It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: >> >>The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an >>Absolutely Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about >>rockhounds having beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that >>indeed many male rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other >>hobbies. A few females responded that they had none. ;) >> >>So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or >>people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to >>pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, >>there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize >>one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick >>a country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think >>of people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if >>there are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add >>other Polish names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of >>course, like "English." But what about the ones that are pretty >>clear: Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, >>German, French, Arab, etc. >> >>Kreigh Tomaszewski >>Ted Kowalski >>Greg Lesinski >>Rob Kulakofsky >>Peter Modreski >>Rob Lavinsky >>Paul Bordovsky >>Morgen Bahurinski >>Jjunkroski >>Strzelecki (Australia) >> >>Aloha, Kitty >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 1 18:23:18 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:22:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information mindat.orgphotographers References: Message-ID: <429E5F69.5C7C@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, I think I shall June in with the week chorus of groans at year Decemberment. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hi Johan, > > I think that you may have to go via Mr. Jolyon (or somehing like that) the > webmaster of mindat.org. > E-mail Richard De Nul, he knows him personally. > > >Can February March? No, but April May. > > In my days, humor like that was punishable by Decemberment. > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Johan Maertens > Verzonden: woensdag 1 juni 2005 12:32 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Looking for Contact information > mindat.orgphotographers > > How do I contact photographers who submitted their pictures to > mindat.org > > Anyone know how to reach M. R. Heintzelman or Karl Volkman? > > Johan Maertens > mineral dot maertens at att dot net > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > Can February March? No, but April May. From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Jun 1 16:22:14 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:23:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> <06d401c5670c$43f2c7e0$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: <004c01c56700$ca265d60$6400a8c0@mshome.net> I resent that Julie. It's been some years since I was cute. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > I am English, Scotch, Czech, Russian, Bohemian, Irish, Dutch, Indian and > possibly a bit of French...and I married this short cute rockhound of mostly > German descent...go figure. > > Julie Siebel From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 18:34:22 2005 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:34:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Malinda, NE Message-ID: <20050602013422.85148.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone had put up a website that gave the location of Malinda, NE ie US Postal servie. I have unable to locate that website, would you post it again? Thanks June __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From morningstar at att.net Wed Jun 1 18:48:17 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:42:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429E6561.7040000@att.net> Jeanne Rhodes Moen wrote: > It was an ebay parcel.....5 lbs small to medium slabbed pieces (avg size > about 1 inch) of all kinds of turquoise..from an estate sale. From my experiences buying parcels of turquosise at the source (Arizona) several years ago, I can tell you that somewhere between 85-99% of what the average person sees on the market is either dyed, stabilized, or both. Sleeping Beauty turquoise was one of the notable exceptions, at least at that time, and could be purchased from the miners either untreated or stabilized but not dyed. I also bought some other rough and finished cabs from well-known localities, like Kingman, but even though I was told it was "old stock" that hadn't been treated, some of it was. I bought all I could afford and have not bought any since then--I dislike heavily treated lapidary materials and it is too difficult to get pure material any more. Badly treated turquoise sometimes has a color that is too bright, or uneven, or you can see the plastic coating, or you can see bits of undissolved consolidant under magnification. If you heat it, you will smell a plastic odor. Sometimes the treatment is so shoddy that the color will leach out in water, ammonia, or acetone. The key here is whether you enjoy what you have--now that you've got it, do something fun with it, and make something nice. Good luck, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 1 18:45:20 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:44:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <429E6492.7C03@Tomaszewski.net> At least in the US, cows are commonly named Bossie or Bessie. It probably derives from Latin; Bos Taurus meant Ox. When my oldest daughter came back from several months studying in Europe, and a visit to family friends in Poland, she told me that in Poland cows are named Norma. As Rockhounds, most of us get into an occasional cow pasture. Many have collected in more than one country. I think we can be on topic with cows (no bull), and somewhat off the wall, if we can identify the different names used for cows in the various countries of the world. We do, after all, want to properly address all cows we encounter while collecting in their pastures, anywhere around the world. You should ask the cow before removing a rock from her living room/kitchen (but don't bother looking in her parlour for rocks). Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: > > The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an Absolutely > Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about rockhounds having > beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that indeed many male > rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other hobbies. A few > females responded that they had none. ;) > > So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or > people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to > pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, > there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize one > cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick a > country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think of > people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if there > are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add other Polish > names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of course, like > "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: Japanese, > Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, French, Arab, > etc. > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > Ted Kowalski > Greg Lesinski > Rob Kulakofsky > Peter Modreski > Rob Lavinsky > Paul Bordovsky > Morgen Bahurinski > Jjunkroski > Strzelecki (Australia) > > Aloha, Kitty From agesilaus at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 18:48:55 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:48:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Malinda, NE In-Reply-To: <20050602013422.85148.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602013422.85148.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you mean: http://geonames.usgs.gov/ Bryan On 6/1/05, June Young wrote: > Someone had put up a website that gave the location of > Malinda, NE ie US Postal servie. I have unable to > locate that website, would you post it again? > Thanks > June > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Wed Jun 1 18:50:53 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:50:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Arizona Message-ID: <20050602015053.B9632CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Forget the Gemtrails book and get Minerals of Arizona. Just been updated and I have a friend in AZ that swears by it. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From rocks4u at prodigy.net Wed Jun 1 18:51:08 2005 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Wed Jun 1 18:57:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> <6.2.1.2.0.20050601150240.0260f9b8@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <022401c56715$8bb97b10$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> I know your intent but on the internet there are a lot of thin skinned people that may have put an un-intended meaning to your question that implied you have to be Polish to be a rockhound. I think it's better to discuss topics about rocks and minerals and stay clear of anything that even hints at a particular group or national origin. I believe in being safe rather than sorry. Just my humble opinion. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > Oh, come on, Wes. I said it was a silly, frivolous question, and I said > nothing derogatory about anyone or any ethnic group. I did not use > national or ethnic "nicknames." My background is Scottish, German and > Jewish, and I live in a place called the Melting Pot of the Pacific---with > neighbors and friends of every possible name and color. I never > suggested---nor would I ever think---that ethnic origins had anything to > do with being a rock hound or any profession or hobbyist. I thought---as > did Aaron---that it was a funny question, and I see nothing in it that > should offend anyone. > > Aloha, Kitty > >>Be careful here Kitty! You might just start an un-intended flame war. My >>name is of German extraction (Lingerfelt) and I imagine there are quite a >>few out there that are similar. I doubt that ethnic origins has anything >>to do with being a rock hound. All it takes is a brain to see the beauty >>of the rocks and not a certain bloodline. >>Cheers! >>Wes >>>It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: >>> >>>The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an >>>Absolutely Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about >>>rockhounds having beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that >>>indeed many male rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other >>>hobbies. A few females responded that they had none. ;) >>> >>>So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or >>>people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to >>>pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, >>>there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize >>>one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick >>>a country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think >>>of people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if >>>there are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add >>>other Polish names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of >>>course, like "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: >>>Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, >>>French, Arab, etc. >>> >>>Kreigh Tomaszewski >>>Ted Kowalski >>>Greg Lesinski >>>Rob Kulakofsky >>>Peter Modreski >>>Rob Lavinsky >>>Paul Bordovsky >>>Morgen Bahurinski >>>Jjunkroski >>>Strzelecki (Australia) >>> >>>Aloha, Kitty >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Jun 1 17:01:14 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Jun 1 19:02:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was: Totally Frivolous Question Now: Brown Cow References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> <429E6492.7C03@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007501c56706$3660b7a0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Kreigh, I was just working on the log from our trip south to the ID/OR border last month, when I noticed your email. One of the high points while collecting was when our road-dog "Oz" found a fresh green cowpie and decided to bathe in it. Head to toe, he was cowflop. Fortunately, the hotel had a hose available so he didn't have to sleep in the truck that night. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > As Rockhounds, most of us get into an occasional cow pasture. Many have > collected in more than one country. From morningstar at att.net Wed Jun 1 19:08:18 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Wed Jun 1 19:02:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Arizona In-Reply-To: <20050602015053.B9632CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050602015053.B9632CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <429E6A12.9000100@att.net> rain forest wrote: > Forget the Gemtrails book and get Minerals of Arizona. Just been updated and I have a friend in AZ that swears by it. Indeed. There are so many places to collect in Arizona that I didn't even want to try to answer her question because I didn't know where to begin. You can go gold panning, collect copper minerals, find zeolites and other micros at Horeshoe Dam, find the famous calcite-after-glauberite in Camp Verde, go picking through the tailings of old mines in Wickenburg... the key question is where *not* to collect, in the sense that you don't want to get shot or otherwise accosted while plundering someone's claim or private property. Desert Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 1 19:14:14 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 1 19:13:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> <06d401c5670c$43f2c7e0$12b4010a@warren> <004c01c56700$ca265d60$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <429E6B53.77C7@Tomaszewski.net> This has the makings of a 'flame' war that might be better settled off list. ;-} John Siebel wrote: > > I resent that Julie. It's been some years since I was cute. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Siebel" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > > > I am English, Scotch, Czech, Russian, Bohemian, Irish, Dutch, Indian and > > possibly a bit of French...and I married this short cute rockhound of > mostly > > German descent...go figure. > > > > Julie Siebel > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 1 19:45:45 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 1 19:45:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was: Totally Frivolous Question Now: Brown Cow References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> <429E6492.7C03@Tomaszewski.net> <007501c56706$3660b7a0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <429E72B2.7679@Tomaszewski.net> John, Its a hunting instinct to hide them from the possible prey. My dog finds some pretty nasty stuff to roll in, and also likes to chase skunks. You just need to redirect that instinct. Get the dog to roll around in good specimens -- maybe it will pick up idea and the smell, and learn to hunt down/dig up good collecting specimens you might otherwise miss. ;-} Kreigh John Siebel wrote: > was when our road-dog "Oz" found a fresh green cowpie and decided to bathe > in it. Head to toe, he was cowflop. Fortunately, the hotel had a hose > available so he didn't have to sleep in the truck that night. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > > As Rockhounds, most of us get into an occasional cow pasture. Many have > > collected in more than one country. > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 1 20:25:16 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:23:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Other than Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> <06d401c5670c$43f2c7e0$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: <009101c56722$b24fa440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> My family was originally German on one side and Indian and English on the other. I seem to have been born picking up rocks, but no one else in the family appreciates them so it must not be genetic. If I could ask a Frivilous Question, it would be: Where in the world are all the people on the Rockhound list located? We hear regularly from people in various countries, and I wonder how many different places in the world are represented on the list. Jeanette Mobile Alabama USA From davisj at earthlink.net Wed Jun 1 20:38:56 2005 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:38:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Arizona In-Reply-To: <20050602015053.B9632CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Here is another vote for Minerals of Az. Some of the sites described will require high a clearance vehicle. Visit the Mineral and Mining Museum in Phoenix and talk to the staff about collecting sites. Outstanding displays there also. From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Jun 1 20:57:23 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:57:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001c01c56727$1d2a3ce0$0200a8c0@gametime> Kitty: Ummm. I doubt there would be a flame war from this. I certainly am not offended in discussing my heritage. Avoiding racial slurs is always a good idea, but I doubt we'll see slurs and insults here. I do think the question is misplaced somewhat. Membership on this list is quite lengthy and I would bet that a worldwide representation of names is on it. Just that a few of us are talkative at any one time. This time around it may be that Eastern Europe and Western Asia is represented; in a few years, somewhere else. Only time will tell. My Dad was Ukrainian and he will be the first to tell you he is not Polish. Polish/Ukrainian sounding names come from an area much larger than Poland and Ukraine. The other side of the coin is my Mother. With a bloodline that includes predating Columbus (Chippewa, Pawnee) the later additions are Irish (twice) Scottish and who knows who else since the Indians weren't known for tracking a bloodline beyond the Mothers clan. So where does the rock hounding come in? My Dad got me and my brothers started when he had this great idea of putting his kids to work making jewelry. Only my brothers and I liked the gem quality stuff much better than the junk and he wasn't letting us cut many gems. We did find that we loved cutting rocks open... Buying them was expensive, finding them is free. We also discovered a few places in the Appalachians where we could find quartz crystals. Is that all? Well, no. My Aunt on my mothers side loved rock hounding and married (for awhile) an avid rock hound. We used to do joint trips around the Nevada desert. So, I got the rock hound bug from both sides of my family and I've been happily introducing to my kids and nephews. I just haven't figured out where I'm taking them this summer... (Perhaps Herkimer, NY or maybe Williamsport, PA, or Hiddenite NC; maybe Mt Ida, Colorado or Plush, Oregon if I feel really bold) Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:52 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds It's heading into summer doldrums time, so here's a silly topic: The last time someone on this list (Kreigh, actually) posted an Absolutely Off The Wall Question, it was in January of 2002 about rockhounds having beards. I seem to recall that the conclusion was that indeed many male rockhounds do have beards, perhaps more than in other hobbies. A few females responded that they had none. ;) So here's my Totally Frivolous Question: Why are many rockhounds, or people related to rocks and geology, of Polish heritage? If you try to pick names that are easily identified with one country or ethnic group, there seem to me to be more that look Poilsh than any other. I realize one cannot always tell the county or ethnic origin by the name. But pick a country or area that has names that clearly identify, and try to think of people on this list or prominent in our field that match, and see if there are more than the 10 I have listed below. Or also can you add other Polish names? Some names are a bit hard to positively label, of course, like "English." But what about the ones that are pretty clear: Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Spanish or Hispanic, Scandinavian, German, French, Arab, etc. Kreigh Tomaszewski Ted Kowalski Greg Lesinski Rob Kulakofsky Peter Modreski Rob Lavinsky Paul Bordovsky Morgen Bahurinski Jjunkroski Strzelecki (Australia) Aloha, Kitty _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jackgraham at gbronline.com Wed Jun 1 23:29:39 2005 From: jackgraham at gbronline.com (Jack Graham) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:29:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TRIP From Portland, OR to Twin Falls, ID (and back) References: <001c01c56727$1d2a3ce0$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <002101c5673c$79afcbf0$c1f0bfcf@Homework> OK, I will be making a trip from Portland OR to Twin Falls ID arround the weekend of the 8th of July. I am going to pick up my kids for a month or so and want to do some rockhounding on the way there, and on the way back. Looking for local rockhounds who would be willing to show me local sites allong the way. Route has not been set, so can adjust based on availability of sites. I have Oregon GEM Trails and Collectors Guide to ID, but going with those who know the area is always more fun, especially to those SECRET spots every one locally knows about. e-mail me at jackgraham@GBRonline.com Thanks Jack D. Graham Tualitin Valley Gem Club From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 2 00:00:08 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Thu Jun 2 00:00:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918><6.2.1.2.0.20050601150240.0260f9b8@incoming.verizon.net> <022401c56715$8bb97b10$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Message-ID: <000b01c56740$b74382f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> >>>>Kreigh Tomaszewski >>>>Ted Kowalski >>>>Greg Lesinski >>>>Rob Kulakofsky >>>>Peter Modreski >>>>Rob Lavinsky >>>>Paul Bordovsky >>>>Morgen Bahurinski >>>>Jjunkroski >>>>Strzelecki (Australia) "Polish"? - it may be just me, but in a group like this names like the above (with the exception of the last one) strike me as American! Strzelecki is a fine name in the history of Australian geology, a geologizing Count of the same name being a pioneer there. Mick From kahako at verizon.net Thu Jun 2 00:58:26 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 2 00:58:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <000b01c56740$b74382f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> <01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> <6.2.1.2.0.20050601150240.0260f9b8@incoming.verizon.net> <022401c56715$8bb97b10$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> <000b01c56740$b74382f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601211216.035dba90@incoming.verizon.net> I agree they are American, and that is one of the best things about America---much of it's strength is built upon ethnic diversity. I'm sorry my frivolous question has become something other than just that. I believe that knowing things about people's backgrounds and lives enriches understanding. For example, when I first began exchanging messages off-list with Kreigh Tomaszewski when he and Monica were planning to come to Hawaii, I delighted in finding out that his first name is Welsh, how many children he has, where he lives, and that the state fossil of Michigan is the petrosky stone. I find it as interesting to know how many rockhounds have beards as how many live in cities, or have Japanese names, or have dogs, or are elderly, or like to go fishing, or listen to country music, or are handicapped, or have a SW UV lamp. Or have a sense of humor, as opposed to a mean spirit or an attitude of categorizing or putting anyone down for any reason---which I do not!!! Aloha, Kitty At 09:00 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: >>>>>Kreigh Tomaszewski >>>>>Ted Kowalski >>>>>Greg Lesinski >>>>>Rob Kulakofsky >>>>>Peter Modreski >>>>>Rob Lavinsky >>>>>Paul Bordovsky >>>>>Morgen Bahurinski >>>>>Jjunkroski >>>>>Strzelecki (Australia) > >"Polish"? - it may be just me, but in a group like this names like the >above (with the exception of the last one) strike me as American! >Strzelecki is a fine name in the history of Australian geology, a >geologizing Count of the same name being a pioneer there. > >Mick >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From everbeek at nac.net Thu Jun 2 05:20:57 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 2 05:21:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001c5676d$8b96a8d0$9de4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Related comment: A fun thing to do, in any area, is to pick up the local phone book and scan through the surnames. I love doing that here in Ogdensburg and Franklin because the zinc mines exerted such a strong influence over who settled here. Both mines employed generation after generation of immigrant miners, so our little part of New Jersey became a true "melting pot". Many folks have relatives who were Russian, Hungarian, Finnish, Ukrainian, Polish, Mexican, English (Cornish), Czech, German, Irish, Romanian, you name it. That's just one reason this is such a great place to live. Cheers- Earl Verbeek (Dutch, natch) From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 06:11:09 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jun 2 06:11:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Other than Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <009101c56722$b24fa440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <20050602131109.1687.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Here's another curiosity. I agree with Kitty that there seems to be quite a few rockhounds of Polish extraction here in the US, but there doesn't seem to be as many in Poland! In my business (Sauktown Sales)(no plug intended) I've only had one customer from Poland, and I've lost touch with him. Jim Daly > Where in the world are all > the people on the Rockhound list located? We hear > regularly from people in > various countries, and I wonder how many different > places in the world are > represented on the list. > Jeanette > Mobile Alabama USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Jun 2 07:27:34 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:25:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918><6.2.1.2.0.20050601150240.0260f9b8@incoming.verizon.net><022401c56715$8bb97b10$8291fea9@WesMedion1918><000b01c56740$b74382f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <6.2.1.2.0.20050601211216.035dba90@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001a01c5677f$390c44a0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I think it's a good educational opportunity....we are learning that all "*ski" names are not necessarily Polish. Jeanette From diederik.visser at dvminerals.com Thu Jun 2 08:01:09 2005 From: diederik.visser at dvminerals.com (Diederik Visser Minerals) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:01:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <000001c5676d$8b96a8d0$9de4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <002701c56783$e93860d0$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> > Cheers- Earl Verbeek (Dutch, natch) Dear Earl, Is there any relationship with perhaps the greatest Dutch Geologist of the 19th and early 20th century, Dr. RDM Verbeek, who among many, many other papers wrote the famous treatice on the 1883 Krakatau Eruption (published in 1886) ? cheers, Diederik Visser. From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Thu Jun 2 08:08:17 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:08:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! Message-ID: <429F20E1.3050507@tenforward.com> Hi All, I've enjoyed some wonderful reading of late cruising the web. One of the things I look for is a good pocket story; a good collecting adventure. I've found several neat sites I check and have just found another site with excellent information. The site is... http://reversonet.lycos.de/result.asp?direction=65540&template=General&autotranslate=true&url=http://www.kristalle.ch/strahlen/SlidesMFlepp1.asp The story I've been thoroughly enjoying can be found at... http://reversonet.lycos.de/result.asp?direction=65540&template=General&autotranslate=true&url=http://www.kristalle.ch/strahlen/SlidesMFlepp1.asp This is my size fun! For another couple sites see... http://www.coromotominerals.com/ Here you'll find reports of tourmaline digging in Maine. And finally, though they've yet to start posting this years dig, they'll be starting any time soon. See... http://www.ukminingventures.com/2004email.htm This is last years daily reports and relates to fluorite crystal mining at the Rogerly Mine in England. These are some of my favorite reading links for ongoing active collecting reports, are there any out there I've missed which you'd like to share too? I'd love the chance to explore a bit more... Thanks for your time, all the very best everyone. See ya, John PS If your interested and would like to see the digging I do, check out... http://www.lrream.com/challisheulandite.html This link is for my Rat's Nest heulandite dig, and the next and last link is for my pseudomorph dig at the Summer Storm, both in central Idaho, see... http://www.lrream.com/summerstormclaim.html From everbeek at nac.net Thu Jun 2 08:10:09 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:10:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <002701c56783$e93860d0$10523591@dgdfgyoz4v47zc> Message-ID: <003c01c56785$2eabced0$a6e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Alas, none that I know of. I've read the Krakatoa paper -- great pub. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Diederik Visser Minerals Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:01 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > Cheers- Earl Verbeek (Dutch, natch) Dear Earl, Is there any relationship with perhaps the greatest Dutch Geologist of the 19th and early 20th century, Dr. RDM Verbeek, who among many, many other papers wrote the famous treatice on the 1883 Krakatau Eruption (published in 1886) ? cheers, Diederik Visser. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From everbeek at nac.net Thu Jun 2 08:32:02 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:32:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky quartz In-Reply-To: <429CBFCA.1060406@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <000001c56788$3a21bd30$a6e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> This will seem trivial to some, and perhaps it is, but here goes anyway: Last month a query was made to the Society of Mineral Museum Professionals on the correct spelling of the brown variety of quartz: is it smokey or smoky? The unanimous opinion: smoky. The "smoky" spelling conforms to the usual grammatical rule of forming an adjective from a noun ending in "e". (It also conforms to the way I've consistently seen the word spelled in mineralogical texts) Thus we have shale, shaly slate, slaty druse, drusy haze, hazy plate, platy flake, flaky thus: smoke, smoky "Smokey" quartz apparently is wrong, and always has been, but nevertheless has gained currency in some circles through cumulative misuse. So, change the labels on those mineral displays, folks! Cheers- Earl Verbeek P.S. Yes, I know, it's still Smokey the Bear . . . From agesilaus at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 08:42:54 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:43:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky quartz In-Reply-To: <000001c56788$3a21bd30$a6e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> References: <429CBFCA.1060406@ncmail.net> <000001c56788$3a21bd30$a6e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: Ah actually it's not Smokey the Bear but rather Smokey Bear BK On 6/2/05, earl verbeek wrote: > > This will seem trivial to some, and perhaps it is, but here goes anyway: > > Last month a query was made to the Society of Mineral Museum Professionals > on the correct spelling of the brown variety of quartz: is it smokey or > smoky? The unanimous opinion: smoky. > > The "smoky" spelling conforms to the usual grammatical rule of forming an > adjective from a noun ending in "e". (It also conforms to the way I've > consistently seen the word spelled in mineralogical texts) Thus we have > shale, shaly > slate, slaty > druse, drusy > haze, hazy > plate, platy > flake, flaky > thus: smoke, smoky > > "Smokey" quartz apparently is wrong, and always has been, but nevertheless > has gained currency in some circles through cumulative misuse. So, change > the labels on those mineral displays, folks! > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > P.S. Yes, I know, it's still Smokey the Bear . . . > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 09:27:41 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Jun 2 09:27:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] ancestry of 'hounds! Message-ID: <20050602162741.85788.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: Well, it isn't totally off-topic, 'cause you're asking about a trait of rockhounds. I'm of swiss/british/scotch-irish/pennsyltucky-dutch extraction (that's a technical term referring to my Grandma from kentucky and my Grandpa from pennsylvania). Grandpa Henrichs was imported to WV to be a hoist engineer, which was really what we would call a skilled mechanic today. He worked in the coal mine all his life til he died of black lung from being beside the dumper where coal was lifted from the deep mine and dropped into the first stage of the cleaning process, which was the dustiest place in the whole operation. My brother worked in the same mine 20 years later to pay for part of his college education. Now it's abandoned, and the only surviving signs of the mine are the little town and some big concrete foundations. But my best rockhoundin' buddy is Dan Kebles, which was originally probably something like Keblish or Kebliszh, and is from central Europe, probably Hungarian, Chech or Slovakian. His folks were from NE PA where they worked in the anthracite mines in the 1800s and early 1900s. I think many many folks from that part of Europe were "imported" to work in the mines to alleviate labor shortages and to provide a more skilled mining labor force. [The locals were willing and terrifically hard workers, but were more used to farming, timbering, trapping and hunting to make their livings, and needed larnin' to mine from these europeans. (I have many neighbors who still make their livings that way, and it's really really hard to stay self-employed that way!!)] So their off-spring were naturally more prone to recognize the differences between rocks, and valuable/interesting rocks and construction aggregate rocks. The rest of us just have good taste(!) and can see a good thing when it's shown to us! That's my take on it, anyways! JR in WV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Thu Jun 2 09:31:09 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (pawpawtiger@mchsi.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 09:31:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Restart subscription at new address Message-ID: <060220051631.3328.429F344D00034AC300000D0021979133639D0A09079B990E9F990E9F@mchsi.com> Please restart my subscribtion at my new email address: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com Thank you, Glenn Wimpee From tjokela at execulink.com Thu Jun 2 10:08:26 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:08:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! References: <429F20E1.3050507@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <003201c56795$b132ed60$6400a8c0@Junior> The second link is hilariously unreadable, gotta love a bad translation. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! > Hi All, > > I've enjoyed some wonderful reading of late cruising the web. One of the > things I look for is a good pocket story; a good collecting adventure. > I've found several neat sites I check and have just found another site > with excellent information. The site is... > > http://reversonet.lycos.de/result.asp?direction=65540&template=General&autotranslate=true&url=http://www.kristalle.ch/strahlen/SlidesMFlepp1.asp > > The story I've been thoroughly enjoying can be found at... > > http://reversonet.lycos.de/result.asp?direction=65540&template=General&autotranslate=true&url=http://www.kristalle.ch/strahlen/SlidesMFlepp1.asp > > This is my size fun! For another couple sites see... > > http://www.coromotominerals.com/ > > Here you'll find reports of tourmaline digging in Maine. And finally, > though they've yet to start posting this years dig, they'll be starting > any time soon. See... > > http://www.ukminingventures.com/2004email.htm > > This is last years daily reports and relates to fluorite crystal mining at > the Rogerly Mine in England. > > These are some of my favorite reading links for ongoing active collecting > reports, are there any out there I've missed which you'd like to share > too? I'd love the chance to explore a bit more... > > Thanks for your time, all the very best everyone. See ya, > > John > > PS If your interested and would like to see the digging I do, check > out... > > http://www.lrream.com/challisheulandite.html > > This link is for my Rat's Nest heulandite dig, and the next and last link > is for my pseudomorph dig at the Summer Storm, both in central Idaho, > see... > > http://www.lrream.com/summerstormclaim.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From everbeek at nac.net Thu Jun 2 10:22:49 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:22:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky quartz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c56797$b3fa5fe0$a6e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Correct! You caught me on that one. Thanks for straightening that out - no sense in having me contribute to a second error while attempting to iron out the first one. Thanks again - Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:43 AM To: everbeek@nac.net; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Smoky quartz Ah actually it's not Smokey the Bear but rather Smokey Bear BK On 6/2/05, earl verbeek wrote: > > This will seem trivial to some, and perhaps it is, but here goes anyway: > > Last month a query was made to the Society of Mineral Museum Professionals > on the correct spelling of the brown variety of quartz: is it smokey or > smoky? The unanimous opinion: smoky. > > The "smoky" spelling conforms to the usual grammatical rule of forming an > adjective from a noun ending in "e". (It also conforms to the way I've > consistently seen the word spelled in mineralogical texts) Thus we have > shale, shaly > slate, slaty > druse, drusy > haze, hazy > plate, platy > flake, flaky > thus: smoke, smoky > > "Smokey" quartz apparently is wrong, and always has been, but nevertheless > has gained currency in some circles through cumulative misuse. So, change > the labels on those mineral displays, folks! > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > P.S. Yes, I know, it's still Smokey the Bear . . . > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Jun 2 10:34:52 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:33:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <003201c56795$b132ed60$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: >Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com States: "The only good news is that really good digital cameras are now relatively affordable. This eliminates the major expense of film, which tended to add up considering that only a few shots per roll turn out to be any good. Film is dead - all hail digital!" One could always learn how a camera works and then conclude that digital photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is very much alive for those who want real quality images ;-))) Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! > Hi All, > > I've enjoyed some wonderful reading of late cruising the web. One of the > things I look for is a good pocket story; a good collecting adventure. > I've found several neat sites I check and have just found another site > with excellent information. The site is... > > http://reversonet.lycos.de/result.asp?direction=65540&template=General&autot ranslate=true&url=http://www.kristalle.ch/strahlen/SlidesMFlepp1.asp > > The story I've been thoroughly enjoying can be found at... > > http://reversonet.lycos.de/result.asp?direction=65540&template=General&autot ranslate=true&url=http://www.kristalle.ch/strahlen/SlidesMFlepp1.asp > > This is my size fun! For another couple sites see... > > http://www.coromotominerals.com/ > > Here you'll find reports of tourmaline digging in Maine. And finally, > though they've yet to start posting this years dig, they'll be starting > any time soon. See... > > http://www.ukminingventures.com/2004email.htm > > This is last years daily reports and relates to fluorite crystal mining at > the Rogerly Mine in England. > > These are some of my favorite reading links for ongoing active collecting > reports, are there any out there I've missed which you'd like to share > too? I'd love the chance to explore a bit more... > > Thanks for your time, all the very best everyone. See ya, > > John > > PS If your interested and would like to see the digging I do, check > out... > > http://www.lrream.com/challisheulandite.html > > This link is for my Rat's Nest heulandite dig, and the next and last link > is for my pseudomorph dig at the Summer Storm, both in central Idaho, > see... > > http://www.lrream.com/summerstormclaim.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Thu Jun 2 10:44:58 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:45:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <429F20E1.3050507@tenforward.com> References: <429F20E1.3050507@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <1117734298.429f459abd3e6@my2.dal.ca> John, Thanks to you and your links, I have accomplished absolutely nothing today! :-) Reading about big pockets and/or great specimens makes me VERY figity and fills my head with major desires to go out collecting. Ronnie From kahako at verizon.net Thu Jun 2 10:54:54 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:55:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <000001c5676d$8b96a8d0$9de4a5ce@D3JM7W21> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net> <000001c5676d$8b96a8d0$9de4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050602070606.024acc70@incoming.verizon.net> A similar thing happened here in Hawaii with the sugar industry. Workers were brought in to work in the cane fields and were assigned to camps by their language, so that only one translator would be needed for each camp. Thus when you look in the phone book you'll find a preponderance of Japanese names in Honoka'a, Korean names (and a kim chee company) in Kea'au, Portuguese names (and a bakery with great Portuguese sweet bread) in Laupahoehoe, and so on. As I've said before, Laupahoehoe means "tongue of lava" and refers to a peninsula of pahoehoe lava that extends into the ocean north of Hilo. That's the rock connectiion! Aloha, Kitty At 02:20 AM 6/2/2005, Earl Verbeek wrote: >Related comment: A fun thing to do, in any area, is to pick up the local >phone book and scan through the surnames. I love doing that here in >Ogdensburg and Franklin because the zinc mines exerted such a strong >influence over who settled here. Both mines employed generation after >generation of immigrant miners, so our little part of New Jersey became a >true "melting pot". Many folks have relatives who were Russian, Hungarian, >Finnish, Ukrainian, Polish, Mexican, English (Cornish), Czech, German, >Irish, Romanian, you name it. That's just one reason this is such a great >place to live. > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek (Dutch, natch) From kahako at verizon.net Thu Jun 2 11:15:37 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:15:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: References: <003201c56795$b132ed60$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050602075758.024c1f68@incoming.verizon.net> Yep, serious and professional photographers still use film, and slide film at that. But recently Kodak announced that it has stopped making slide projectors. And last month when I tried to give a slide presentation at four schools, there was not a single projector in any of the schools or their libraries. So I went to the media center for the entire school district, and they finally dug one out of a closet and warned me that if the light burned out I was out of luck; they didn't have a replacement bulb and didn't intend to order any. Everyone uses Powerpoint, or whatever now. I guess I'll have to get my slides converted to digital, but I understand the equipment for good quality slide scanning is expensive. Aloha, Kitty > >Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > "Film is dead - all hail digital!" > >One could always learn how a camera works and then conclude that digital >photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is very much alive for those >who want real quality images ;-))) > >Axel From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 2 11:18:01 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:18:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><01d801c56709$25783a50$8291fea9@WesMedion1918><6.2.1.2.0.20050601150240.0260f9b8@incoming.verizon.net><022401c56715$8bb97b10$8291fea9@WesMedion1918><000b01c56740$b74382f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <6.2.1.2.0.20050601211216.035dba90@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001701c5679f$6a3b9d80$78f1edc1@mpc1> >Or have a sense of humor, That's the best characteristic to have! Mick From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Jun 2 11:29:05 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:29:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050602075758.024c1f68@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <200506021829.j52IT3N6004953@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Well, I've got to tell you I am just loving my new Nikon D70. At 11x14 prints, I just don't see any "grain" (as in "pixels"). Good enough for me! And... not having film means I can bracket all over the place without having to pay for slides that I don't need. I just picked up a good book on the D70... it's an eBook: http://www.bythom.com/d70guide.htm I printed the thing off and am slowing going through it. Check out the other things on Thom's site... they are pretty good. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds- > bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:16 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! > > Yep, serious and professional photographers still use film, and slide film > at that.... From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 11:40:11 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:40:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050602184011.49479.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. Professional large-size prints are certainly better with chemical photography, but if you're going to put the pictures on the web, any resolution over about 80 DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are usually adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't see the difference. Jim Daly --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > >Minerals through the microscope: > http://www.micromounts.com > States: "The only good news is that really good > digital cameras are now > relatively affordable. This eliminates the major > expense of film, which > tended to add up considering that only a few shots > per roll turn out to be > any good. Film is dead - all hail digital!" > > One could always learn how a camera works and then > conclude that digital > photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is > very much alive for those > who want real quality images ;-))) > > Axel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 11:48:53 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:48:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky quartz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050602184853.5211.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Darn! That messes up a favorite riddle I like to use on kids: Q: What's Smokey the Bear's middle name? A: the Jim Daly --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Ah actually it's not Smokey the Bear but rather > Smokey Bear > > BK > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From roughrock at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 11:59:11 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Thu Jun 2 12:00:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TRIP From Portland, OR to Twin Falls, ID (and back) In-Reply-To: <002101c5673c$79afcbf0$c1f0bfcf@Homework> References: <001c01c56727$1d2a3ce0$0200a8c0@gametime> <002101c5673c$79afcbf0$c1f0bfcf@Homework> Message-ID: It might be out of your way to go through Fossil, OR but it is worthwhile. Go behind the High School and across the football field. About 50 or 60 years ago construction workers at the school cut into a fossil rich shale bank. The bank has been falling onto the playing field every since then. It is open to collectors but if school is in session you are supposd to sign in at the office. Most of the fossils are leaves but other things have been found there too. I was kicking through a pile of shale and found a piece of petrified wood. One word of warning, in th afternoon the fossils are on the sunny side of the mountain. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA On 6/1/05, Jack Graham wrote: > OK, > > I will be making a trip from Portland OR to Twin Falls ID arround the > weekend of the 8th of July. I am going to pick up my kids for a month or so > and want to do some rockhounding on the way there, and on the way back. > > Looking for local rockhounds who would be willing to show me local sites > allong the way. > Route has not been set, so can adjust based on availability of sites. > > I have Oregon GEM Trails and Collectors Guide to ID, but going with those > who know the area is always more fun, especially to those SECRET spots every > one locally knows about. > > e-mail me at jackgraham@GBRonline.com > > Thanks > Jack D. Graham > Tualitin Valley Gem Club > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Jun 2 10:00:50 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Jun 2 12:02:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Training Rockhounds (Was: Brown Cow) References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601125951.023c8db0@incoming.verizon.net><429E6492.7C03@Tomaszewski.net><007501c56706$3660b7a0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <429E72B2.7679@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00a601c56794$a8be6d40$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Kreigh, Even at three years, Oz is still too much of a puppy for any redirecting of instinct. However his mother, #1 roadtrip dog Cady, will ferry tools between Julie and I and fetch items dropped in inconvenient places. We were collecting on a steep face somewhere in Oregon when I dropped all of my specimen bags (a bag full of plastic grocery sacks) down the hill. I asked her to fetch them for me and she quickly responded. When I dropped them a second time she balked at first then went down and pulled ONE bag out of the sack and brought it to me with a look of, "Be more careful next time and get the rest yourself!" She's talented in many ways but we still can't get her to hunt rocks or, alas, morels. Perhaps I should invest in a pig! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Was: Totally Frivolous Question Now: Brown Cow > John, > > Its a hunting instinct to hide them from the possible prey. My dog finds > some pretty nasty stuff to roll in, and also likes to chase skunks. > > You just need to redirect that instinct. Get the dog to roll around in > good specimens -- maybe it will pick up idea and the smell, and learn to > hunt down/dig up good collecting specimens you might otherwise miss. > ;-} > > Kreigh From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 2 12:16:40 2005 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Thu Jun 2 12:16:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <20050602184011.49479.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050602184011.49479.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429F5B18.7040308@xs4all.nl> I haven't followed this discussion, or did it just start? Anyway few month ago Dominik Sch?ffli had a very interesting point about digital camera resolution. When that man starts talking about optics, I soon loose track, but he the expert and I'm not. He calculated that any resolution over 2 megapixels is wasted when taking pictures through a microscope. Even the best scopes are below this resolution. You should be able to find his reasoning somewhere on the Midat forum. Some time ago I took some high resolution mineral macro pictures, which were published in Canada. Even at 4 megapixels you are talking at about 10-12 mb files per photo. So the quest for skyhigh megapixels seems not too practicle, unless you make posters. Maurice Jim Daly wrote: >Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. >Professional large-size prints are certainly better >with chemical photography, but if you're going to put >the pictures on the web, any resolution over about 80 >DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are usually >adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't >see the difference. >Jim Daly > >--- Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > >>>Minerals through the microscope: >>> >>> >>http://www.micromounts.com >> States: "The only good news is that really good >>digital cameras are now >>relatively affordable. This eliminates the major >>expense of film, which >>tended to add up considering that only a few shots >>per roll turn out to be >>any good. Film is dead - all hail digital!" >> >>One could always learn how a camera works and then >>conclude that digital >>photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is >>very much alive for those >>who want real quality images ;-))) >> >>Axel >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From agesilaus at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 16:02:23 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:03:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <429F5B18.7040308@xs4all.nl> References: <20050602184011.49479.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> <429F5B18.7040308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I have a 4 mPixel camera and the files aren't anywhere near that size. Maybe 1.5 mB or less generally. I get 150 - 200 shots on a 128 memory card. If you have a pro-level camera that does .RAW format then the files can inflate rapidly. The Fuji E550 generates 13 MB RAW files at it's 12 mPixel resolution. That's a interpolated 12 mB on this 6 mPixel camera. I thought about getting one but 39 shots on a 512 card cooled me off especially since it uses some odd XD format card. It has other problems too. So I'm thinking Canon again. The Canon EOS Rebel at 8 mPixel generates 3.3 MB files at 3456 x 2304 resolution in JPEG but in RAW format the files are 8.5 MB. However even at RAW that's 60 shots on a 512 MB memory chip and Compact Flash cards are available at 4 Gb or so now. 1 Gb cards are fairly reasonable in price too. Sticking with JPEG you'd get something like 150 shots on a 512 card, or many more at lower resolution. The RAW format seems mainly to be of use if you are Photoshoping your shots since you can essentially redo the shot in Photoshop in RAW. JPEG still allows you to do a heck of a lot of adjustments. Speaking of Photoshop, I have been working my way thru a great book _Photoshop CS2 book for Digital Photographers_ , I only have PS CS not CS2 but 90% of the material in this book still applies. It is a strictly how to do it type book and the results are amazing to me. The author provides you with cut and dried settings to get great results. I'm reading it on Safari Book Club using their 30 day free trial (Not the Mac Safari) and you may want to give it a try there. However I haven't tried to quit Safari yet so hopefully that will go smoothly. I plan to quit and get my employer to sign me up for an account after the trial period. Bryan On 6/2/05, Maurice de Graaf wrote: > I haven't followed this discussion, or did it just start? > > Anyway few month ago Dominik Sch?ffli had a very interesting point about > digital camera resolution. When that man starts talking about optics, I > soon loose track, but he the expert and I'm not. He calculated that any > resolution over 2 megapixels is wasted when taking pictures through a > microscope. Even the best scopes are below this resolution. You should > be able to find his reasoning somewhere on the Midat forum. > > Some time ago I took some high resolution mineral macro pictures, which > were published in Canada. Even at 4 megapixels you are talking at about > 10-12 mb files per photo. So the quest for skyhigh megapixels seems not > too practicle, unless you make posters. > > Maurice > > > Jim Daly wrote: > > >Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. > >Professional large-size prints are certainly better > >with chemical photography, but if you're going to put > >the pictures on the web, any resolution over about 80 > >DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are usually > >adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't > >see the difference. > >Jim Daly > > > >--- Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Minerals through the microscope: > >>> > >>> > >>http://www.micromounts.com > >> States: "The only good news is that really good > >>digital cameras are now > >>relatively affordable. This eliminates the major > >>expense of film, which > >>tended to add up considering that only a few shots > >>per roll turn out to be > >>any good. Film is dead - all hail digital!" > >> > >>One could always learn how a camera works and then > >>conclude that digital > >>photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is > >>very much alive for those > >>who want real quality images ;-))) > >> > >>Axel > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Jun 2 16:41:25 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:42:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! References: <20050602184011.49479.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com><429F5B18.7040308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <005d01c567cc$9c8c0ae0$12b4010a@warren> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! "I have a 4 mPixel camera and the files aren't anywhere near that size. Maybe 1.5 mB or less generally. I get 150 - 200 shots on a 128 memory card." Keep in mind, though, that when you OPEN the image, it is STILL 11.5 to 12 megabytes, uncompressed. Every time you resave in jpeg, you'll lose a bit of quality (it's what they call a "lossy" format.). Uncompressed pictures size = HeightInPixels x WidthInPixels x 3 (one for each color channel, red, green and blue...). Julie From tim at orerockon.com Thu Jun 2 18:01:48 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jun 2 18:01:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oregon joins the fossil big-time (finally) In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c56727$1d2a3ce0$0200a8c0@gametime> <002101c5673c$79afcbf0$c1f0bfcf@Homework> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050602180004.029e7358@mail.spiritone.com> June 2, 2005 Governor signs fossil bill The Associated Press SALEM - Oregon has an official flower, bird, rock and gemstone, but MacKenzie Smith, 11, noticed it was missing something: a state fossil. Smith lobbied state lawmakers and testified earlier this session on a bill to make the Metasequoia the state fossil, and Wednesday the fifth-grade Tigard student saw his hard work pay off as he watched Gov. Ted Kulongoski sign the bill into law. Fossils of the Metasequoia - an ancient redwood that died off in Oregon five million years ago and has since been reintroduced - are among the most abundant fossils in the state, according to the bill. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of OR, WA, & ID rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From tim at orerockon.com Thu Jun 2 18:09:22 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jun 2 18:09:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] TRIP From Portland, OR to Twin Falls, ID (and back) In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c56727$1d2a3ce0$0200a8c0@gametime> <002101c5673c$79afcbf0$c1f0bfcf@Homework> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050602175648.02b9b280@mail.spiritone.com> Sadly, this bed has been developed into a money maker for the school district. Rules are similar to Stonerose in Republic, WA. The site is now attended. $3.00 gets you 3 leaves. Anything "rare" or "perfect" in form will be kept. I don't know dates or hours. At 11:59 AM 6/2/2005, you wrote: >It might be out of your way to go through Fossil, OR but it is >worthwhile. Go behind the High School and across the football field. > >About 50 or 60 years ago construction workers at the school cut into a >fossil rich shale bank. The bank has been falling onto the playing >field every since then. It is open to collectors but if school is in >session you are supposd to sign in at the office. > >Most of the fossils are leaves but other things have been found there >too. I was kicking through a pile of shale and found a piece of >petrified wood. > >One word of warning, in th afternoon the fossils are on the sunny side >of the mountain. > >Grant Johnston, Chico, CA > >On 6/1/05, Jack Graham wrote: > > OK, > > > > I will be making a trip from Portland OR to Twin Falls ID arround the > > weekend of the 8th of July. I am going to pick up my kids for a month > or so > > and want to do some rockhounding on the way there, and on the way back. > > > > Looking for local rockhounds who would be willing to show me local sites > > allong the way. > > Route has not been set, so can adjust based on availability of sites. > > > > I have Oregon GEM Trails and Collectors Guide to ID, but going with those > > who know the area is always more fun, especially to those SECRET spots > every > > one locally knows about. > > > > e-mail me at jackgraham@GBRonline.com > > > > Thanks > > Jack D. Graham > > Tualitin Valley Gem Club > > From kahako at verizon.net Thu Jun 2 18:48:05 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 2 18:48:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Time To Share, Another one In-Reply-To: <20050529185233.11784.qmail@web51001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050526113310.025f4858@incoming.verizon.net> <20050529185233.11784.qmail@web51001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050602154048.026607f8@incoming.verizon.net> At 08:52 AM 5/29/2005, Jim Daly wrote: > Kitty, I'd like your >permission to use your report, with the addition of >pictures I took, on my website. That's fine. But please add the following: The descriptions of the fissure and holes refer to an area of Mauna Ulu that is inside the National Park borders, so it is for observing and taking pictures, not collecting. Aloha, Kitty From tfa at brickengraver.com Thu Jun 2 19:38:17 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:38:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <005d01c567cc$9c8c0ae0$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: <20050603023811.WYPO2942.imta02a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> But when hard drives are now 100 gig, and even portable ones are 60 gig or an Iphot or Flash Trax is 20 to 60 gig, the file size pretty much becomes irrelevent, imho. (see caveat later). Whenever I shoot a picture, I shoot at highest resolution and on raw or tiff format. Tiff makes a larger file, and takes longer to write to memory, but can be read by photoshop or almost any viewer--raw is the best format as it retains all the information and is smaller than tiff. Later if I want to shrink the size, I can do so or simply delete it. But I might not know what I want to use it for. Each raw format is different for each camera. Nikon has their's, so do Canon, Olympus, Fugi, etc. But taking them in that format is by far the best way to go as every thing is saved, and post processing is done on the original. When you shoot jpg there is automatically a loss of information. Now, at the present time, you pretty much have to have Nikon's software to view them in the raw form, but you can then save another copy as jpg. But announced just today, the major camera manufacturers are going to allow the next version of Windows to open the proprietary formats--in fact will probably offer a download for xp. Apple I am sure will be in the game soon also. In that way no matter what camera is used, Windows will be able to display them in the raw. When shooting at high res, on digital, and you want to crop your picture --you have many more pixels to work with and the resolution holds up much better with major cropping. Now a photog would say--at least a film photog--which I was/am, "you should crop in the camera." True, but sometimes just not possible. I used to shoot only transparancies and there was no such thing as cropping. It makes you a better photog-but you reject a lot of good pictures because cannot crop a Kodachrome. I recently bought a Flash Trax drive that eliminates much of the hassle of shooting at high res with a limited on camera storeage capacity. Say you have a 512 card, you can get about 60 or so pictures in raw format with a 7.1 megapixel camera on the flash memeory. I have an Olympus 7.1 and I think that?s about what it gets. Say for example, you are on a once in a lifetime trip to Idaho--why not take at highest resolution? You spent all the time and energy and money to get there. What if you cannot quite get close enough to that bear? At high res, you might be able to salvage a very useable picture out of it with cropping. And when taking landscapes, imho, you should always shoot raw. The landscape is not going to move, so speed between shots is not a factor. Same goes for rocks--they are not going to move--if you shoot at the highest, you will probably find something you did not even notice when you bring it up on the screen. When you go to a mineral show, and want to shoot pictures of the display cases, you obviously cannot get as close as you want--shooting at high gives you the ability to "enlarge" the picture much more so. When you use up your 50 pictures, you then just hook a USB cable from the camera (if it has a port to the flash trax (or iPhoto) and dump them onto it and delete the flash memory and keep on shooting. If the camera does not have a port, you can quickly take out the flash memory card, put it into the adaptor that comes with the Flash Trax or iPhoto, and dump and delete and return to the camera. No need to have a laptop. And with both of them you have the added advantage of being able to carry along music. The iPhoto even has a microphone-speaker add on that you can make digital recordings of voice--such as explanining the picture while you are taking it or take a picture and then interview the person or make voice notes about the scene which can then later be integrated with the picture. I just shot a graduation ceremony and shot everything at high res (7.1 for me) and found that the images hold up much better when you want to crop out some extraneous person, etc. The major DISADVANTAGE, and it is big one for me, of digital, is the time lag it takes when shooting at high res to write to the memory. With film, you can click away as fast as you can advance the camera, or a motordrive does it for you, and you are shooting at the highest resolution always. With a digital, you can easily lose the shot while the camera is "busy". Not so with film. But for shooting of static objects, digital is really great as you can bracket extensively, you can try something and see the results. You can "waste" film without cost. One of the neat things about the Flash Trax and why I bought one, is that once you get your pictures onto it, it has a zoom feature so that you can actually see if the picture is sharp. And of course you can delete them if you want--or transfer them to your computer or write them to a cd or dvd. The iPod has no such feature (the zoom feature). With both though you can hook it up to a TV and show your pics on a TV to friends--and never even have a computer. When high definition TV's get reasonable, your pictures will hold up to the better definition. And now, with dvd burners, you can store your large file pictures very inexpensively. There is a very good reason for higher resolutions, and if your camera has a choice, why not. No film costs, but almost film quality. And in the really good ones now, as good as film--at least 35mm film. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 www.brickengraver.com The search is what anyone would undertake if he were not sunk in the everydayness of his own life. To become aware of the possibility of the search is to be onto something. Not to be onto something is to be in despair. Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Maurice de Graaf Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:17 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! I haven't followed this discussion, or did it just start? Anyway few month ago Dominik Sch?ffli had a very interesting point about digital camera resolution. When that man starts talking about optics, I soon loose track, but he the expert and I'm not. He calculated that any resolution over 2 megapixels is wasted when taking pictures through a microscope. Even the best scopes are below this resolution. You should be able to find his reasoning somewhere on the Midat forum. Some time ago I took some high resolution mineral macro pictures, which were published in Canada. Even at 4 megapixels you are talking at about 10-12 mb files per photo. So the quest for skyhigh megapixels seems not too practicle, unless you make posters. Maurice Jim Daly wrote: >Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. >Professional large-size prints are certainly better with chemical >photography, but if you're going to put the pictures on the web, any >resolution over about 80 DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are >usually adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't see the >difference. >Jim Daly > >--- Axel Emmermann wrote: -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Julie Siebel Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:41 PM To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! "I have a 4 mPixel camera and the files aren't anywhere near that size. Maybe 1.5 mB or less generally. I get 150 - 200 shots on a 128 memory card." Keep in mind, though, that when you OPEN the image, it is STILL 11.5 to 12 megabytes, uncompressed. Every time you resave in jpeg, you'll lose a bit of quality (it's what they call a "lossy" format.). Uncompressed pictures size = HeightInPixels x WidthInPixels x 3 (one for each color channel, red, green and blue...). Julie _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Jun 2 19:57:40 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:57:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds Message-ID: Hi Kitty..German/CanadianFrench married to Polish/Hungarian! I was the rockhound first..! *BG* Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Thu Jun 2 20:26:32 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:26:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050602075758.024c1f68@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <20050603032628.C9BF878D9D@delivery.infowest.com> Yes, and I am one of the serious ones (and a retired Kodaker, at that!) But I am going to have to change to digital. And it is really going to be quite a job copying my slides to digital, after 77 years, I have a lot of 'em! And an entire new learning process to go through. Moan. Margaret Yep, serious and professional photographers still use film, and slide film at that. But recently Kodak announced that it has stopped making slide projectors. And last month when I tried to give a slide presentation at four schools, there was not a single projector in any of the schools or their libraries. So I went to the media center for the entire school district, and they finally dug one out of a closet and warned me that if the light burned out I was out of luck; they didn't have a replacement bulb and didn't intend to order any. Everyone uses Powerpoint, or whatever now. I guess I'll have to get my slides converted to digital, but I understand the equipment for good quality slide scanning is expensive. Aloha, Kitty > >Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > "Film is dead - all hail digital!" > >One could always learn how a camera works and then conclude that digital >photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is very much alive for those >who want real quality images ;-))) > >Axel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Thu Jun 2 20:28:06 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:28:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <20050602184011.49479.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050603032802.A1137797F4@delivery.infowest.com> Yes, well -- that's the difference between "snapshots" and "photographs"! Margaret Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. Professional large-size prints are certainly better with chemical photography, but if you're going to put the pictures on the web, any resolution over about 80 DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are usually adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't see the difference. Jim Daly --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > >Minerals through the microscope: > http://www.micromounts.com > States: "The only good news is that really good > digital cameras are now > relatively affordable. This eliminates the major > expense of film, which > tended to add up considering that only a few shots > per roll turn out to be > any good. Film is dead - all hail digital!" > > One could always learn how a camera works and then > conclude that digital > photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is > very much alive for those > who want real quality images ;-))) > > Axel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pchil at botsnet.bw Thu Jun 2 23:54:29 2005 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Thu Jun 2 23:52:34 2005 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds Message-ID: <000901c56809$17d422a0$c148a7a8@hulley> ----- Original Message ----- From: P.C. Hulley To: rockhounds Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > Hi Kitty, > > I haven't had much to say lately, but feel the need to chip in here. I > have a dog, wirehair terrier, a cat, long haired black & white very elegant > lady, and am three quarters German, about one quarter French, and a dash of > Irish! (no U.V. lamp, but would love one) > > I usually describe myself in this way, and most people who know me would > concur; "Generally the German is in charge, but every now and then the > Frenchman ties up the German and the Irishman goes mad!" Hope I haven't > offended anyone here! > > In Southern Africa people of Germanic extraction seem to be very strongly > represented in the rockhounding fraternity, so maybe there is something in > it!!! > > Basically I felt that I was becoming a boring middle aged teacher, and > needed a hobby completely outside special education. Rockhounding has > certainly saved my sanity, brought me into contact with some truly wonderful > people, taken me into places where most sane people would never think of > going! I am hooked for life! > > Enjoyed the topic, Kitty, and would also be interested to find out who is > where! > > Hildegarde in Botswana. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds > > > > I agree they are American, and that is one of the best things about > > America---much of it's strength is built upon ethnic diversity. > > > > I'm sorry my frivolous question has become something other than just that. > > > > I believe that knowing things about people's backgrounds and lives > enriches > > understanding. For example, when I first began exchanging messages > > off-list with Kreigh Tomaszewski when he and Monica were planning to come > > to Hawaii, I delighted in finding out that his first name is Welsh, how > > many children he has, where he lives, and that the state fossil of > Michigan > > is the petrosky stone. I find it as interesting to know how many > > rockhounds have beards as how many live in cities, or have Japanese names, > > or have dogs, or are elderly, or like to go fishing, or listen to country > > music, or are handicapped, or have a SW UV lamp. Or have a sense of > humor, > > as opposed to a mean spirit or an attitude of categorizing or putting > > anyone down for any reason---which I do not!!! > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > From agesilaus at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 05:40:45 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 3 05:41:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <20050603032628.C9BF878D9D@delivery.infowest.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050602075758.024c1f68@incoming.verizon.net> <20050603032628.C9BF878D9D@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: Some HP scanners have a slide copying attachment, I've had fairly good results with mine. I don't think I've mastered the process tho. It does negatives too. Nikon used to make a dedicated slide copyier but I didn't see it after doing a quick Google search so it may be out of production, Nikon does have a slide copy attachment for their Coolpix cameras for about $75. I'm thinking about trying to make my old bellows macro setup work with my digital camera. Bryan On 6/2/05, Margaret Malm wrote: > > Yes, and I am one of the serious ones (and a retired Kodaker, at that!) But > I am going to have to change to digital. And it is really going to be quite > a job copying my slides to digital, after 77 years, I have a lot of 'em! > And an entire new learning process to go through. > Moan. > > Margaret > > Yep, serious and professional photographers still use film, and slide film > at that. But recently Kodak announced that it has stopped making slide > projectors. And last month when I tried to give a slide presentation at > four schools, there was not a single projector in any of the schools or > their libraries. So I went to the media center for the entire school > district, and they finally dug one out of a closet and warned me that if > the light burned out I was out of luck; they didn't have a replacement > bulb and didn't intend to order any. Everyone uses Powerpoint, or whatever > now. I guess I'll have to get my slides converted to digital, but I > understand the equipment for good quality slide scanning is expensive. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > >Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > "Film is dead - all hail digital!" > > > >One could always learn how a camera works and then conclude that digital > >photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is very much alive for those > >who want real quality images ;-))) > > > >Axel > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jr50wv at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 06:58:42 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Fri Jun 3 06:58:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanners Message-ID: <20050603135842.95297.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kitty: I just received a Canon 8400F scanner, which receives excellent reviews for scanning film. It's a flatbed 8.5x11 scanner I bought to scan old family photos to distribute to my cousins, and it cost $149 at Staples. It comes with photoshop elements software to manipulate digital images, although I understand Google Pikasa is really all one needs for the routine color balance and contrast adjustments which are all I intend to make. That isn't cheap, but it isn't an arm and a leg either. I've been shooting with a Nikon Coolpix 4500 for a couple of years now, and except for the shutter lag (when you press the button, it's 1.7 or 2 seconds before it takes the pic) I love it. It allow me to control all the parameters of the exposure, shutter speed, apature, apparent film speed, focus, color balance, the works. It also focuses down to about 1.5 cm, for those little crystals...I attach one image reduced in size to 232KB from 4.5MB for transmission. Like others, I haven't seen grain at 8x10 sizes, which is as large as my printer goes anyway. I'm trying to get my self up to buying a D70 digital SLR, especially now that I've got my Dad's F2 and lenses, which I understand will fit on the D70 OK. JR in WV __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) image/jpeg --- From prgilmore at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 07:57:54 2005 From: prgilmore at hotmail.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Fri Jun 3 07:57:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm Irish-Italian, and my Polish wife can't stand mineral collecting. Paul Gilmore >From: CRAZYDOVE@aol.com >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Totally Frivolous Question: Polish Rockhounds >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:57:40 EDT > >Hi Kitty..German/CanadianFrench married to Polish/Hungarian! I was the >rockhound first..! *BG* > Jackie > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 07:59:13 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 3 07:59:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digital CAmera's In-Reply-To: <20050603032628.C9BF878D9D@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <20050603145913.71559.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> And I ma heading the other direction. I have had to buy three digital camereas in the last 5 years becuase the lens opens in a pocket of some sort and bends the deleicte metal framework opening the lens and the camera never works again. I am headed back to film and my cannon ae1 and for video I am doing the same. I have a 600 dollar video camera that woeked for two years now I cannot find a battery for it becasue it is propertery and they do not make them any more and yes I have tried battery.com I am headed back to 8mm tape. To hell with the trow away world. and I am only 42 years old. I have already gotten rid of my pda and you will not get me onto mp3 crap. I will keep though my laptop and probably my cellphone but I am wavering on the cell phone. --- Margaret Malm wrote: > > Yes, and I am one of the serious ones (and a retired > Kodaker, at that!) But > I am going to have to change to digital. And it is > really going to be quite > a job copying my slides to digital, after 77 years, > I have a lot of 'em! > And an entire new learning process to go through. > Moan. > > Margaret > > Yep, serious and professional photographers still > use film, and slide film > at that. But recently Kodak announced that it has > stopped making slide > projectors. And last month when I tried to give a > slide presentation at > four schools, there was not a single projector in > any of the schools or > their libraries. So I went to the media center for > the entire school > district, and they finally dug one out of a closet > and warned me that if > the light burned out I was out of luck; they didn't > have a replacement > bulb and didn't intend to order any. Everyone uses > Powerpoint, or whatever > now. I guess I'll have to get my slides converted > to digital, but I > understand the equipment for good quality slide > scanning is expensive. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > >Minerals through the microscope: > http://www.micromounts.com > > "Film is dead - all hail digital!" > > > >One could always learn how a camera works and then > conclude that digital > >photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is > very much alive for those > >who want real quality images ;-))) > > > >Axel > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com Fri Jun 3 08:15:38 2005 From: jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Fri Jun 3 08:15:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does jasper run per lb? Message-ID: In preparation for moving back to the States, I just picked up a bunch of Norwegian cutting material. Among this is Norwegian Jasper....some of which might even have what they call Vaskis mixed in...Vaskis has no english name, but is a black, hornblend base w/ pyrite crystals in it. What kind of price does Jasper run in the US per LB? Do you think there would be any interest for Norwegian cutting materials and minerals in the States? Jeanne From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 08:48:40 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 3 08:48:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050601161549.026a22a0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20050603154840.83958.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Depends, last time I was there (last year) i did stop at a local listed in gem trails. It was a gravel bar in the area sW of the park a good ways in the middle of no where. (sorry not at home and do not have the book) but the site was about 30 miles off of I-40 on the south side. Drove a ways south then took a road east about 17 miles and stopped along the road where a small mesa was in the distnace. got out and found alot of pebbles. I figured what had been along the road was picked over so i walked toward the mes (no fnece) and about 200 yards off the road I was into pieces of pet wood (red oranges and yellows) big enough for medium cabachons and was only half way through the gravel bed before sunset drove me back to the car. I still wish I could have gotten all the way up to the mesa. I was a geology student at NAU at Flagstaff and collected large chucks of pe tood form similar gravles. they were on top of the mesas. I figured what I was looking at was the stuff that got wached down in flash floods and the larger stuff was on top of that 50 foot mesa or so. You just got to move farther than 75 feet off the road at most of those sites to find anything. na dyes I know it may be private land but much of that land is blm and you can pick up to 20 lbs a day on blm land. --- Tim Fisher wrote: > I would like to know where these locations are, > other than the poor > collecting areas described in Gem Trails (ahem). I > was there twice and > managed to find exactly one ranch that allowed > collecting (which has since > stopped); and of course tens of rock shops that were > closed mouthed about > their sites. I found that none of the previously > extant collecting "trips" > offered by these shops were still operating. They > would rather sell you the > wood at the tourist price than at a rockhound > dig-it-yourself price... > > At 01:42 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: > > > >which direction are you coming form. There is a > large > >number of collecting locals along I 40 to the east > of > >Flagstaff for pet. wood. > > > > > >--- Peggy Barnhill wrote: > > > > > to list > > > > > > will be going to Flagstaff and Mesa Az soon, > > > > > > any suggestions on collecting that is easy to > > > access? > > > > > > also any rock shops to recommend? > > > thanks > > > > > > peggy > > > > >Stephen F. Stover > >PH (281) 829-1102 > >xossfs@yahoo.com > > > >Wanting to hunt rocks > >and play games every day! > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 10:03:01 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Jun 3 10:03:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question Message-ID: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> A question for all you vulcanologists and lava afficianados, I just got back from a week of collecting in the Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles of calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow basalt. Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic formation. What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts form under water or at water margins? If so, this couldn't be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, blue and white agate with same colors banding. The lava in some places had large phenocrysts which wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling quickly in the water. Thoughts anyone? thanks, tina __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From afox at drizzle.com Fri Jun 3 10:33:21 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Jun 3 10:33:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question In-Reply-To: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pillow basalts can form anywhere in contact with water (oceans, lakes, large rivers, etc). However, most of the basalt I remember from the Mojave is younger rock (Miocene to Pleistocene). There are some basaltic units in the middle of the Mojave that tend towards basaltic andesite; I think, if I remember right, they were part of a rather sizeable caldera complex. Don't remember much more. Were you in the Providence Mountains? a. > A question for all you vulcanologists and lava > afficianados, > I just got back from a week of collecting in the > Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern > mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles of > calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow basalt. > Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic > formation. > What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts form > under water or at water margins? If so, this couldn't > be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal > weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? > > There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, > blue and white agate with same colors banding. The > lava in some places had large phenocrysts which > wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling quickly in > the water. Thoughts anyone? > thanks, > tina > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From Cycadwood at aol.com Fri Jun 3 10:34:44 2005 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 10:34:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maui Message-ID: Howdy Folks: I am going to Maui in a few weeks for a family vacation. I will be taking my camera and seeking out geologic landscapes and forests/flora to photograph. Any suggestions? Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Fossil Wood: A Closer Look at Ancient Forests. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hkrocke at netscape.ca Fri Jun 3 11:01:19 2005 From: hkrocke at netscape.ca (hkrocke) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:02:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question In-Reply-To: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D0A3449-D459-11D9-BEF4-00306557E552@netscape.ca> > ....... collecting in the Mojave and in the remote reaches of the > eastern mojave, > There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, blue and white > agate with same colors banding. > The lava in some places had large phenocrysts.... Where, where exactly???? Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 3 11:19:36 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:17:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maui References: Message-ID: <003601c56868$cc87b360$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Sunrise at Haleakala......a must!! Geology and awesome landscape combined. Jeanette > Howdy Folks: > I am going to Maui in a few weeks for a family vacation. I will be taking > my > camera and seeking out geologic landscapes and forests/flora to > photograph. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Frank > > Frank J. Daniels, publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 11:32:55 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:33:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question In-Reply-To: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050603183255.70969.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Definition given in "Volcanos of the National Parks in Hawaii" by Macdonald & Hubbard: Pillow Lava- formed when pahoehoe lava enters a body of water. I agree that phenocrysts would be unlikely in that scenario. Jim Daly --- tango juli wrote: > A question for all you vulcanologists and lava > afficianados, > I just got back from a week of collecting in the > Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern > mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles > of > calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow > basalt. > Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic > formation. > What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts > form > under water or at water margins? If so, this > couldn't > be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal > weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? > > There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, > blue and white agate with same colors banding. The > lava in some places had large phenocrysts which > wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling quickly > in > the water. Thoughts anyone? > thanks, > tina > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From afox at drizzle.com Fri Jun 3 11:41:15 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:41:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maui In-Reply-To: <003601c56868$cc87b360$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: I would second this. I would also add, in a non-geological sense, that the bike ride excursions down the mountain are a wonderful way to spend the afternoon. a. > Sunrise at Haleakala......a must!! > Geology and awesome landscape combined. > Jeanette > > > > > > Howdy Folks: > > I am going to Maui in a few weeks for a family vacation. I will be taking > > my > > camera and seeking out geologic landscapes and forests/flora to > > photograph. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > Frank J. Daniels, publisher > > Western Colorado Publishing Company > > 2024 Freedom Court > > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From tim at orerockon.com Fri Jun 3 11:44:00 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:43:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <20050603154840.83958.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050601161549.026a22a0@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603154840.83958.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> AFAIK, there is very little BLM land near Petrified Forest NM. It is a checkerboard of state and private holdings, with a few BLM sections east of Woodruff (the ones on the Little Colorado are worth exploring, but i didn't find anything there 2 years ago). Furthermore all the state trust land (again, that I know of) is leased to the ranchers, and they control access. Walking up that gravel bar off of the road right-of-way almost surely put you on private property, or leased state land. At 08:48 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: >Depends, last time I was there (last year) i did stop at a local listed in >gem trails. It was a gravel bar in the area sW of the park a good ways in >the middle of no where. (sorry not at home and do not have the book) but >the site was about 30 miles off of I-40 on the south side. Drove a ways >south then took a road east about 17 miles and stopped along the road >where a small mesa was in the distnace. got out and found alot of >pebbles. I figured what had been along the road was picked over so i >walked toward the mes (no fnece) and about 200 yards off the road I was >into pieces of pet wood (red oranges and yellows) big enough for medium >cabachons and was only half way through the gravel bed before sunset drove >me back to the car. I still wish I could have gotten all the way up to >the mesa. > >I was a geology student at NAU at Flagstaff and collected large chucks of >pe tood form similar gravles. they were on top of the mesas. I figured >what I was looking at was the stuff that got wached down in flash floods >and the larger stuff was on top of that 50 foot mesa or so. > >You just got to move farther than 75 feet off the road at most of those >sites to find anything. > >na dyes I know it may be private land but much of that land is blm and you >can pick up to 20 lbs a day on blm land. --- Tim Fisher > wrote: > > > I would like to know where these locations are, > other than the poor > > collecting areas described in Gem Trails (ahem). I > was there twice > and > managed to find exactly one ranch that allowed > collecting (which > has since > stopped); and of course tens of rock shops that were > closed > mouthed about > their sites. I found that none of the previously > extant > collecting "trips" > offered by these shops were still operating. They > > would rather sell you the > wood at the tourist price than at a > rockhound > dig-it-yourself price... Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 11:46:59 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:47:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] turquoise In-Reply-To: <200506021723.j52HN2Yl022898@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050603184659.73388.qmail@web60825.mail.yahoo.com> I just got back from collecting in the Mojave, the first "stop" being turquoise mines in the east mojave--Apache Canyon Mines. I learned a lot after listening to the miner up there talk for a few hours. There is quite a competition between turquoise miners, with some treating their stock and others-like him--proud they don't have to. We spent the day with him and he showed us up to one of the mines and let us dig for a few hours. We brought back some turquoise pseudomorphs after apatite and other rough of varying quality. It was hard earned in the heat of the early afternoon. But related to Don't comment below, our miner told us that the best way to test the stuff is with a dot of acetone. He claimed that a lot of the AZ stuff is treated and told some fun stories about challenging other vendors with questionable product. He indicated that often the treated stuff will fade in time, and develop a plastic-y look to it--echoing Don's comments below. Don's comment about coloring was also mentioned by the miner. This turquoise area--Halloran Hills--is written up in the latest Desert Symposium guidebook (2005)"Old Ores" published by the San Bernardino County Museum, edited by Bob Reynolds. tina Message: 6 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:48:17 -0400 From: Don H Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stabilized vs natural turquoise? From my experiences buying parcels of turquosise at the source (Arizona) several years ago, I can tell you that somewhere between 85-99% of what the average person sees on the market is either dyed, stabilized, or both. Sleeping Beauty turquoise was one of the notable exceptions, at least at that time, and could be purchased from the miners either untreated or stabilized but not dyed. -snip--- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From tim at orerockon.com Fri Jun 3 11:48:18 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:48:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question In-Reply-To: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603114440.026e63b8@mail.spiritone.com> The first hit on Googling "mojave desert jurrasic period": http://www.death-valley.us/article315.html During the Jurassic period, much of the present Mojave was under water and dinosaurs tread ocean banks composed of sand dunes. Many of their tracks were found in sandstones formed later. At 10:03 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: >A question for all you vulcanologists and lava >afficianados, >I just got back from a week of collecting in the >Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern >mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles of >calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow basalt. >Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic >formation. >What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts form >under water or at water margins? If so, this couldn't >be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal >weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? > >There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, >blue and white agate with same colors banding. The >lava in some places had large phenocrysts which >wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling quickly in >the water. Thoughts anyone? >thanks, >tina > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 3 11:51:03 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:49:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <20050603032802.A1137797F4@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <004d01c5686d$317bfb60$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I love my digital cameras..I'm on my third one. I've had some of my pictures (only 3.2 MB from one camera) printed out at 16x20 and I'm very happy with how they look. Mostly landscapes, so sharp details didn't matter. I stitched about 7 digital photos together and had a 5 foot long panorama of the Great Sand Dunes in Colorado printed out and it's gorgeous. Now that would be harder to do with a film camera. My scanner came with a transparency adapter which lights it up from both sides. I don't have a lot of transparencies, but I've used it a couple of times and it worked fairly well. Prints made from a scanned slide may not print as well as film tho. Anyone have a Canon Digital Rebel?? Glenn wants a digital camera for Christmas and he drools everytime he sees the TV commercial for one. Jeanette > > Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. > Professional large-size prints are certainly better > with chemical photography, but if you're going to put > the pictures on the web, any resolution over about 80 > DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are usually > adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't > see the difference. > Jim Daly > From kahako at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 12:27:12 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 3 12:27:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maui In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603080525.0264a2a0@incoming.verizon.net> Hi Frank, Here's a really good website for anyone interested in Hawaii---general tourist stuff, not specifically for rockhounds. It has video clips, audio samples of Hawaiian music, surfing, whales, arts, lots of stuff about the volcanoes here on the Big Island (you do realize you're going to the wrong island, don't you? ;-)), info on each island, and links to Hawaii Visitor's Bureaus for each island: www.gohawaii.com Also the University of Hawaii Press has lots of books and pamphlets, with a shopping cart format. I highly recommend typing "topographic maps" into their search and ordering the map of Maui: http://www.uhpress.hawaii.edu/ The following site is a wealth of information if you take the time to explore it fully. Lots of good photos and suggestions of things to do, summary of facts about each island. Click on "Accommodations" and you'll find everything from resorts to B&B's and camp sites and cabins. If you and your family are at all athletic, this site details hiking trails and tells you how to reserve hiker's cabins in Haleakala crater as well as all national, state and county parks: http://www.alternative-hawaii.com/menu1.htm Aloha, Kitty At 07:34 AM 6/3/2005, Frank J. Daniels wrote: >Howdy Folks: >I am going to Maui in a few weeks for a family vacation. I will be taking my >camera and seeking out geologic landscapes and forests/flora to photograph. >Any suggestions? From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 12:27:47 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 3 12:27:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maui In-Reply-To: <003601c56868$cc87b360$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: Also don't miss the "road to Hana" and the nice hike up the "Scared Pools" trail though a BIG cane forest to a really big waterfall! The road is pretty good now, not the treacherous vehicle killer of a few years back. Buy the audio Cd or tape, very reasonable for about $10, and it comes with a good map plus you'll have your own private guide to use at your own pace. Glenn Wimpee >From: "Jeanette Wimpee" <geenet2@mchsi.com> > >Sunrise at Haleakala......a must!! >Geology and awesome landscape combined. >Jeanette > > > > >>Howdy Folks: >>I am going to Maui in a few weeks for a family vacation. I will be >>taking my >>camera and seeking out geologic landscapes and forests/flora to >>photograph. >>Any suggestions? >>Thanks, >>Frank >> >>Frank J. Daniels, publisher >>Western Colorado Publishing Company ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger with Video Conversation - it's FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 3 12:42:08 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Jun 3 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question References: <20050603170301.25442.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c56874$54cc5720$858d4c0c@fekib> There are Triassic pillow lavas in Connecticut where the lava was extruded into shallow water near sandstone and shale beds. Mineral formation of calcite and quartz occurred at the junctions of the pillows with each other. The calcite/quartz formation appears to be simultaneous with each other, and at least some of it happened as a secondary emplacement, perhaps during cooling. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: tango juli To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question > A question for all you vulcanologists and lava > afficianados, > I just got back from a week of collecting in the > Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern > mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles of > calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow basalt. > Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic > formation. > What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts form > under water or at water margins? If so, this couldn't > be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal > weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? > > There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, > blue and white agate with same colors banding. The > lava in some places had large phenocrysts which > wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling quickly in > the water. Thoughts anyone? > thanks, > tina > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 12:59:34 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 3 12:59:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> leased state land still is public access --- Tim Fisher wrote: > AFAIK, there is very little BLM land near Petrified > Forest NM. It is a > checkerboard of state and private holdings, with a > few BLM sections east of > Woodruff (the ones on the Little Colorado are worth > exploring, but i didn't > find anything there 2 years ago). Furthermore all > the state trust land > (again, that I know of) is leased to the ranchers, > and they control access. > Walking up that gravel bar off of the road > right-of-way almost surely put > you on private property, or leased state land. > > At 08:48 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: > > >Depends, last time I was there (last year) i did > stop at a local listed in > >gem trails. It was a gravel bar in the area sW of > the park a good ways in > >the middle of no where. (sorry not at home and do > not have the book) but > >the site was about 30 miles off of I-40 on the > south side. Drove a ways > >south then took a road east about 17 miles and > stopped along the road > >where a small mesa was in the distnace. got out > and found alot of > >pebbles. I figured what had been along the road > was picked over so i > >walked toward the mes (no fnece) and about 200 > yards off the road I was > >into pieces of pet wood (red oranges and yellows) > big enough for medium > >cabachons and was only half way through the gravel > bed before sunset drove > >me back to the car. I still wish I could have > gotten all the way up to > >the mesa. > > > >I was a geology student at NAU at Flagstaff and > collected large chucks of > >pe tood form similar gravles. they were on top of > the mesas. I figured > >what I was looking at was the stuff that got wached > down in flash floods > >and the larger stuff was on top of that 50 foot > mesa or so. > > > >You just got to move farther than 75 feet off the > road at most of those > >sites to find anything. > > > >na dyes I know it may be private land but much of > that land is blm and you > >can pick up to 20 lbs a day on blm land. --- Tim > Fisher > > wrote: > > > > > I would like to know where these locations are, > > other than the poor > > > collecting areas described in Gem Trails (ahem). I > > was there twice > > and > managed to find exactly one ranch that > allowed > collecting (which > > has since > stopped); and of course tens of rock > shops that were > closed > > mouthed about > their sites. I found that none of > the previously > extant > > collecting "trips" > offered by these shops were > still operating. They > > > would rather sell you the > wood at the tourist > price than at a > > rockhound > dig-it-yourself price... > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 13:03:45 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Jun 3 13:03:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does jasper run per lb? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The price for jasper is dependent on color and pattern. I've seen some Stone Canyon pieces -- especially slabs -- getting into double digits. However, a lot is selling for just about what it cost to ship it. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA On 6/3/05, Jeanne Rhodes Moen wrote: > In preparation for moving back to the States, I just picked up a bunch of > Norwegian cutting material. Among this is Norwegian Jasper....some of which > might even have what they call Vaskis mixed in...Vaskis has no english name, > but is a black, hornblend base w/ pyrite crystals in it. What kind of price > does Jasper run in the US per LB? Do you think there would be any interest > for Norwegian cutting materials and minerals in the States? > > Jeanne > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From hkrocke at netscape.ca Fri Jun 3 14:15:49 2005 From: hkrocke at netscape.ca (hkrocke) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:16:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does jasper run per lb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The price for jasper is dependent on color and pattern. I've seen some > Stone Canyon pieces getting into double digits. > Grant Johnston, Chico, CA Which Stone Canyon ? Where is this Stone Canyon ? Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From tim at orerockon.com Fri Jun 3 16:43:15 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jun 3 16:43:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of the lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. At least, that has been my friend in AZ's experience, and mine as well. At 12:59 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote: >leased state land still is public access > > >--- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > AFAIK, there is very little BLM land near Petrified > > Forest NM. It is a > > checkerboard of state and private holdings, with a > > few BLM sections east of > > Woodruff (the ones on the Little Colorado are worth > > exploring, but i didn't > > find anything there 2 years ago). Furthermore all > > the state trust land > > (again, that I know of) is leased to the ranchers, > > and they control access. > > Walking up that gravel bar off of the road > > right-of-way almost surely put > > you on private property, or leased state land. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kahako at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 17:28:39 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 3 17:28:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Maui In-Reply-To: <003601c56868$cc87b360$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <003601c56868$cc87b360$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603131007.026487b8@incoming.verizon.net> At 08:19 AM 6/3/2005, Jeanette wrote: Sunrise at Haleakala......a must!! Geology and awesome landscape combined. I agree! It seems like a pain to get up and out of your hotel well before dawn, but believe me (and Jeanette) it is worth it. The time Bill and I did it (and we've heard that it is often this way), the wind was blowing and clouds flowed up and over the mountaintop. As the sun rose it cast brilliant orange light on the clouds as they raced overhead, creating the effect of looking up at a forest fire. Bill says it's like the star ship Enterprise going through the Fire Nebula! Check what time the sun rises, and ask at your hotel how long it will take to get there, and set your alarm! After the sun's up you'll be all ready to explore the crater or just look around. Bill and I were with a small group of friends, and one member was willing to forego the following trip: We had reserved the three cabins in Haleakala crater (see: http://www.haleakala.national-park.com/camping.htm )and we hiked down Sliding Sands Trail the four miles to the first cabin called Holua that first morning after seeing the sunrise. There were small caves, fascinating red desert landscape, and silver sword plants. The next day was just two more miles to the Kapalaoa cabin. Then four miles the third day to Paliku on opposite the crater rim at Kaupo Gap. The first two locations deep in the crater were hot and dry, but by the time we reached Paliku, we were on the edge of forest and it was cold and damp. Thank goodness that cabin had a wood stove, and one young, energetic member of your group had skipped on ahead of the rest of us and had the fire and a pot of hot chocolate going buy the time the rest of us arrived. The next day we hiked down to sea level; from the top of Kaupo Gap at Paliku cabin , the trail descends from an altitude of 6,000 feet in 8.7 miles. The good news was that it was all down hill, so that seemed a lot easier (at first) than climbing. The bad news was that it was all down hill...the same muscles braking with every step! Auwe! (Ouch!) at the end of the day! The one group member who had dropped us off at the crater overlook three days before, met us at the bottom with a cooler full of cold beverages and ice packs for sore knees! Aloha, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Fri Jun 3 18:17:42 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:17:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] More SPAM In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603181543.026004d8@mail.spiritone.com> Now I am getting spammed by "Rocks of Africa". If anyone else on the list just started getting these, please email me off-list. I hate it when they use this list to "harvest" email addresses :( Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jun 3 18:56:09 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:57:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] More SPAM References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com><20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com><6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603181543.026004d8@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <000c01c568a8$9b1cfd90$12b4010a@warren> Neither John nor I have received any Rocks of Africa spam. If you know that somehow they got your name off of this list let me know. I think there are settings on the admin screen to obscure e-mail addresses, which*are* included via hidden headers even if they are not displayed. (lol - don't think that will help if it is the one that you actually include as text in your e-mails, though, Tim...even though it *is* nospam.) Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] More SPAM > Now I am getting spammed by "Rocks of Africa". If anyone else on the list > just started getting these, please email me off-list. I hate it when they > use this list to "harvest" email addresses :( > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 19:17:54 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:17:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] More SPAM In-Reply-To: <000c01c568a8$9b1cfd90$12b4010a@warren> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603181543.026004d8@mail.spiritone.com> <000c01c568a8$9b1cfd90$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: No "Rocks of Africa" spam to my email either. Grant On 6/3/05, Julie Siebel wrote: > Neither John nor I have received any Rocks of Africa spam. If you know that > somehow they got your name off of this list let me know. I think there are > settings on the admin screen to obscure e-mail addresses, which*are* > included via hidden headers even if they are not displayed. > > (lol - don't think that will help if it is the one that you actually include > as text in your e-mails, though, Tim...even though it *is* nospam.) > > Julie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:17 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] More SPAM > > > > Now I am getting spammed by "Rocks of Africa". If anyone else on the list > > just started getting these, please email me off-list. I hate it when they > > use this list to "harvest" email addresses :( > > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 3 20:37:59 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 3 20:34:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dinosaurs are like birds -- and we can now tell their sex from their bones Message-ID: <42A12139.1248@Tomaszewski.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4603961.stm From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jun 4 03:11:13 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jun 4 03:10:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <004d01c5686d$317bfb60$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: >I stitched about 7 digital photos together and had a 5 foot long panorama of >the Great Sand Dunes in Colorado printed out and it's gorgeous. Now that >would be harder to do with a film camera. You'd have to scan the images but then you could use the stitch software from your digital camera.... >My scanner came with a transparency adapter which lights it up from both >sides. I don't have a lot of transparencies, but I've used it a couple of >times and it worked fairly well. Prints made from a scanned slide may not >print as well as film tho. It will if your scanner is good AND the software is top notch. I used three dedicated film scanners until now: -a Microtek 35 USB: aw, forget I mentioned it ;-)))) -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update the drivers for it and it will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA slot. I will NEVER buy a NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away when I buy a more modern computer. - An EPSON FilmScan 200. That was the best I had until it "passed away". None of the above scanners were able to correctly scan my slides of fluorescent minerals. Professionals and semiprofessionals seem to agree that the best buy nowadays is the Microtek i900. It uses the SilverFast AI 6.0 driver software which is far superior to any driver from the manufacturers. The down side is that it costs over 600$ in the USA and over 1000 $ in Belgium (850$ in a store in Munich but ten I'd have to travel 1000 miles to get one.) Even if you already own a reasonably good scanner, you can improve it's performance by buying (downloading) the Silverfast driver. It's really great. Axel From everbeek at nac.net Sat Jun 4 06:52:58 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Sat Jun 4 06:52:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question In-Reply-To: <20050603183255.70969.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c5690c$b7c9b1e0$9de4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Phenocrysts form deep underground as a magma slowly cools and are erupted with the remaining liquid as lava. Some lavas have no phenocrysts at all, but others are choked with them. Many volcanic rocks, then, are products of two-stage cooling: slow cooling within the magma chamber (when the phenocrysts form) followed by rapid cooling upon eruption. Though it's true that large crystals are unlikely to form while lava is being extruded into a body of water to form pillow basalt, large crystals could well have been there already, before the lava reached the surface. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jim Daly Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:33 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question Definition given in "Volcanos of the National Parks in Hawaii" by Macdonald & Hubbard: Pillow Lava- formed when pahoehoe lava enters a body of water. I agree that phenocrysts would be unlikely in that scenario. Jim Daly --- tango juli wrote: > A question for all you vulcanologists and lava > afficianados, > I just got back from a week of collecting in the > Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern > mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles > of > calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow > basalt. > Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic > formation. > What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts > form > under water or at water margins? If so, this > couldn't > be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal > weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? > > There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, red, > blue and white agate with same colors banding. The > lava in some places had large phenocrysts which > wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling quickly > in > the water. Thoughts anyone? > thanks, > tina > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 07:00:32 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Jun 4 07:00:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pillow basalts In-Reply-To: <200506031959.j53JxlUX002281@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050604140032.42826.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron (and others who responded), no, not providence--cadys. Thanks for the response, and to others who responded. I have been collecting intrusives and extrusives from the various ranges in the mojave for 5 years now (god help me when I move). The mojave is filled with bizarre surprises in terms of extensional features, so I suppose the next step is to go back and try to date all my samples (just formation/date matching- no chem analysis). I was surprised to learn recently that andesite can't be identified by color--it can be dark (like basalt), or pale greenish (as in Mule Canyon near Calico) or reddish. I understand that extrusives are identified by silica content, but its hard to do that on the ground (ah..this is 64% silica...). Is there a better field id method for identifying different extrusives? Anyway, I think it safe to conclude it was spheroidal weathering given the info everyone presented. thank you all, tina from Aaron: Pillow basalts can form anywhere in contact with water (oceans, lakes, large rivers, etc). However, most of the basalt I remember from the Mojave is younger rock (Miocene to Pleistocene). There are some basaltic units in the middle of the Mojave that tend towards basaltic andesite; I think, if I remember right, they were part of a rather sizeable caldera complex. Don't remember much more. Were you in the Providence Mountains? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 07:06:17 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jun 4 07:06:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question In-Reply-To: <000101c5690c$b7c9b1e0$9de4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <20050604140617.78082.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> The definition I quoted specified pahoehoe lava. This is the smooth, ropy lava- essentially low viscosity. It wouldn't be smooth if it contained phenocrysts. I suspect that the type of lava that could contain phenocrysts is a'a. I'm getting a little past what I know for sure here, so forgive me if I'm too far off. Jim Daly --- earl verbeek wrote: > > Phenocrysts form deep underground as a magma slowly > cools and are erupted > with the remaining liquid as lava. Some lavas have > no phenocrysts at all, > but others are choked with them. Many volcanic > rocks, then, are products of > two-stage cooling: slow cooling within the magma > chamber (when the > phenocrysts form) followed by rapid cooling upon > eruption. Though it's true > that large crystals are unlikely to form while lava > is being extruded into a > body of water to form pillow basalt, large crystals > could well have been > there already, before the lava reached the surface. > > Cheers- Earl > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Daly > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:33 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] pillow lava question > > Definition given in "Volcanos of the National Parks > in > Hawaii" by Macdonald & Hubbard: > Pillow Lava- formed when pahoehoe lava enters a body > of water. > I agree that phenocrysts would be unlikely in that > scenario. > Jim Daly > > --- tango juli wrote: > > > A question for all you vulcanologists and lava > > afficianados, > > I just got back from a week of collecting in the > > Mojave and in the remote reaches of the eastern > > mojave, we found an amazing group of vugs/vesicles > > of > > calcite pockets in what appeared to be pillow > > basalt. > > Unless I remember incorrectly, this is a jurassic > > formation. > > What we were puzzled about is: do pillow basalts > > form > > under water or at water margins? If so, this > > couldn't > > be pillow basalt, and is likely just spheroidal > > weathering that resembles pillow basalt. Thoughts? > > > > There were amazing jasper boulders in lavender, > red, > > blue and white agate with same colors banding. The > > lava in some places had large phenocrysts which > > wouldn't be able to occur if it was cooling > quickly > > in > > the water. Thoughts anyone? > > thanks, > > tina > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 4 07:58:03 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Jun 4 07:44:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava types (was pillow basalts) References: <20050604140032.42826.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c56915$dc1c5080$d5a5490c@pete> Tina, You've certainly got it right, that you can't tell a lava by its color; the colors and shades vary a great deal; though if it's jet black it's probably basalt (unless obsidian, of course), and if it's white it's probably rhyolite (though dacites can be quite white too); but gray, green, red shades--can be almost anything. But to offer a partial answer to, > Is there a better > field id method for identifying different extrusives? one other guide can be the identity of the phenocrysts--if there are any to see, and if you can distinguish between the different minerals--sometimes easy, sometimes not (without having a petrographic thin section). But a general guide would be: basalt: pyroxene (augite) and plagioclase feldspar (labradorite) andesite: hornblende, sometimes pyroxene, plagioclase feldspar (andesine) dacite: hornblende, sometimes biotite, rarely pyroxene, assorted feldspar (that's my cop-out answer for not know more exactly what to specify) rhyolite: biotite, sanidine feldspar, quartz (bipyramidal; beta-quartz) I know that in practice, in the field, this may not be easy to apply, but in some cases it may help. And now of course, there are other types of lava too, other "intermediate" types, such as latite, trachyte, phonolite, etc., because the balance between plagioclase, alkali feldspar, and quartz varies, because magmas don't lie on one single, simple linear trend between basalt and rhyolite. (Nothing's simple in geology, and there are always exceptions!) Pete From tim at orerockon.com Sat Jun 4 07:49:51 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jun 4 07:49:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] More SPAM In-Reply-To: <000c01c568a8$9b1cfd90$12b4010a@warren> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603181543.026004d8@mail.spiritone.com> <000c01c568a8$9b1cfd90$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050604074901.02b56670@mail.spiritone.com> It wasn't to nospam, that's why I asked...someone is a using a robot to grab email addresses from list headers... At 06:56 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote: >Neither John nor I have received any Rocks of Africa spam. If you know >that somehow they got your name off of this list let me know. I think >there are settings on the admin screen to obscure e-mail addresses, >which*are* included via hidden headers even if they are not displayed. > >(lol - don't think that will help if it is the one that you actually >include as text in your e-mails, though, Tim...even though it *is* nospam.) > >Julie Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kadok at infowest.com Sat Jun 4 09:08:33 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Jun 4 09:08:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050604160826.0F86DA100E@marbella.infowest.com> Thanks, Axel; I've been wondering what to buy! Margaret I used three dedicated film scanners until now: -a Microtek 35 USB: aw, forget I mentioned it ;-)))) -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update the drivers for it and it will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA slot. I will NEVER buy a NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away when I buy a more modern computer. - An EPSON FilmScan 200. That was the best I had until it "passed away". None of the above scanners were able to correctly scan my slides of fluorescent minerals. Professionals and semiprofessionals seem to agree that the best buy nowadays is the Microtek i900. It uses the SilverFast AI 6.0 driver software which is far superior to any driver from the manufacturers. The down side is that it costs over 600$ in the USA and over 1000 $ in Belgium (850$ in a store in Munich but ten I'd have to travel 1000 miles to get one.) Even if you already own a reasonably good scanner, you can improve it's performance by buying (downloading) the Silverfast driver. It's really great. Axel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com Sat Jun 4 09:07:52 2005 From: jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Sat Jun 4 09:08:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] More info on jasper.. Message-ID: Hi all, dragged all the rocks in from the car this afternoon...I think my arms are going to drop off! I got a better look at the jasper...most of it has one special characteristic...in addition to Reds and white in it, most of it is riddled w/ small pyrite crystals which will show up w/ gold flecks when polished. Anyone ever seen jasper like that before? Here's a link to what it looks like: http://www.geosystems.no/no/jaspis.htm Jeanne http://www.jeannius.com From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Sat Jun 4 09:25:47 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat Jun 4 09:25:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506041625.j54GPlRE018197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> The stitch feature in Photoshop CS2 is REALLY good. I made a panorama of around a dozen shots taken on the Millennium Bridge in London and it just about nailed it. I had to do a little bit of tweaking in the sky where the images joined but other than that it was perfect. When I'm on holiday in Wales next week (FINALLY!!) I'll be doing some panorama shots in the Brecon Beacons in NEF ("Raw") more and playing with them when I get back. I've got two 1GB cards and one 500MB card that I'm planning on filling up in the day, and emptying into my computer at night! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds- > bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:11 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography > > > >I stitched about 7 digital photos together and had a 5 foot long panorama > of the Great Sand Dunes in Colorado printed out and it's gorgeous... From kahako at verizon.net Sat Jun 4 12:11:14 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jun 4 12:11:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] diverting lava flows (history) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050604085846.0263e6e0@incoming.verizon.net> Hi List, Some time ago there was a discussion here about attempts to divert lava flows to protect population areas. Someone mentioned a case in Iceland where a city was successfully saved by diverting a lava flow, and I commented that in 1984 the Army Corps of Engineers were preparing bulldozers to attempt to divert a Mauna Loa flow heading for Hilo, but the flow stopped before they could begin work. Yesterday I came across an item in a regular column in our little newspaper "This day in history:" "June 3, 1980: Volcanologist Jack Lockwood was pictured taking a close look at a live, 600-pound bomb on the northeast flank of Mauna Loa, where it was dropped during an aerial bombarding of a 1942 lava flow. Demolition experts planned to blow up the bomb. The lava flow ended just 10 miles short of Hilo Harbor. The military's dropping of 16 bombs was highly classified. The attempt to break a lava channel and divert the flow appeared to be successful at the time." Aloha, Kitty From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 12:17:02 2005 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Sat Jun 4 12:17:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanners In-Reply-To: <20050603135842.95297.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050604191702.90612.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The scanner is a good one but the PrestoPage Manager portion of the software really sucks. I purchased mine in March, 2005 and keep the disk handy because I need to uninstall and reinstall almost every time I use it. It keeps crashing and the software company, New Soft, no longer wants to talk to me. In the meantime, I needed to get a new computer, faster and with more GB's, so know it is not the computer. June --- "J. R. Hodel" wrote: > Hi Kitty: > > I just received a Canon 8400F scanner, which > receives > excellent reviews for scanning film. It's a flatbed > 8.5x11 scanner I bought to scan old family photos to > distribute to my cousins, and it cost $149 at > Staples. > > It comes with photoshop elements software to > manipulate digital images, although I understand > Google Pikasa is really all one needs for the > routine > color balance and contrast adjustments which are all > I > intend to make. > > That isn't cheap, but it isn't an arm and a leg > either. > > I've been shooting with a Nikon Coolpix 4500 for a > couple of years now, and except for the shutter lag > (when you press the button, it's 1.7 or 2 seconds > before it takes the pic) I love it. It allow me to > control all the parameters of the exposure, shutter > speed, apature, apparent film speed, focus, color > balance, the works. It also focuses down to about > 1.5 > cm, for those little crystals...I attach one image > reduced in size to 232KB from 4.5MB for > transmission. > > Like others, I haven't seen grain at 8x10 sizes, > which > is as large as my printer goes anyway. I'm trying > to > get my self up to buying a D70 digital SLR, > especially > now that I've got my Dad's F2 and lenses, which I > understand will fit on the D70 OK. > > JR in WV > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > image/jpeg > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From morningstar at att.net Sat Jun 4 12:52:41 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Jun 4 12:47:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <42A20689.3060507@att.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, > or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of > the lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's why some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with keys, and note paper & pens. Desert Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jun 4 13:29:51 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jun 4 13:23:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] diverting lava flows (history) References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050604085846.0263e6e0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <42A20DD4.13A2@Tomaszewski.net> Like any liquid, lava is going to flow downhill along the path of least resistance. Give it a better downhill channel, and it will change direction. Precision bombing seems like an effective way to dig a big ditch quickly, and disrupt the lava tube so it flows into it. Thanks for sharing an interesting story. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > Some time ago there was a discussion here about attempts to divert lava > flows to protect population areas. Someone mentioned a case in Iceland > where a city was successfully saved by diverting a lava flow, and I > commented that in 1984 the Army Corps of Engineers were preparing > bulldozers to attempt to divert a Mauna Loa flow heading for Hilo, but the > flow stopped before they could begin work. > > Yesterday I came across an item in a regular column in our little newspaper > "This day in history:" > > "June 3, 1980: Volcanologist Jack Lockwood was pictured taking a close > look at a live, 600-pound bomb on the northeast flank of Mauna Loa, where > it was dropped during an aerial bombarding of a 1942 lava flow. Demolition > experts planned to blow up the bomb. The lava flow ended just 10 miles > short of Hilo Harbor. The military's dropping of 16 bombs was highly > classified. The attempt to break a lava channel and divert the flow > appeared to be successful at the time." > > Aloha, Kitty From rockcurrier at cs.com Sat Jun 4 14:21:50 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sat Jun 4 14:16:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion References: <200506031959.j53JxlUY002281@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <01e801c5694b$6c5f0f40$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Margaret or other photo gurus out there. Do you have any fealings about what kind of slide scanner you want to use to scan you slides? I have about 40,000 + slides of mineral specimens and specimen localities I have taken over the years. Probably I would want to scan and store less than 10,000 of them, possibly less than 5,000. Rock From agate at cox.net Sat Jun 4 14:19:33 2005 From: agate at cox.net (agate@cox.net) Date: Sat Jun 4 14:19:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities Message-ID: <20050604211931.IGO22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> > > From: Tim Fisher > Date: 2005/06/03 Fri PM 07:43:15 EDT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > > Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, or > only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of the > lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. BLM land is public land and you have access. If you are locked out, notify BLM. They will set the lessee straight. If there is a gate, open it. As a courtesy close it after you have gone thru. Hugh Hammerslag From Cycadwood at aol.com Sat Jun 4 14:30:47 2005 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 4 14:30:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion Message-ID: <1f9.b27227d.2fd37787@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/2005 3:17:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, rockcurrier@cs.com writes: Margaret or other photo gurus out there. Do you have any fealings about what kind of slide scanner you want to use to scan you slides? I have about 40,000 + slides of mineral specimens and specimen localities I have taken over the years. Probably I would want to scan and store less than 10,000 of them, possibly less than 5,000. Rock *****Hi Rock: I have a barely used Minolta Dimage Scan Dual 3 that does a great job and is for sale. The only reason I want to sell it is I needed to buy one that did larger size negatives and transparencies as well as slides. It scans 4 slides at a time and does a great job. I think I paid about $360 for it and will sell it for $200. My new scanner is a Nikon Coolscan 9000 which I need to scan 6X7 transparencies. It also does a great job but costs $2000. Whatever you get be sure it is a film dedicated scanner with a high dynamic range. Frank Frank J. Daniels, publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522 westerncolopub@aol.com 970,242,5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Ferns, Cones, and Cycads and the soon to be released Fossil Wood: A Closer Look at Ancient Forests. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Sat Jun 4 14:48:29 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Jun 4 14:42:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <1f9.b27227d.2fd37787@aol.com> References: <1f9.b27227d.2fd37787@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A221AD.5070603@att.net> Rock, It depends on the kind of quality you want and how much hand-feeding you want to do. As someone else pointed out, the high-end Nikon models do an excellent job, have quite a number of pixels, and have bulk feeders. On the other hand, I bought an Epson 4180 scanner which also scans slides, and it does a very good job. You must load the slides by hand so I am doing the job as time allows. However, for less than $200, I got an excellent product that has received some very high ratings in the PC magazines. Don From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Sat Jun 4 15:02:50 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sat Jun 4 15:02:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <01e801c5694b$6c5f0f40$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <200506042202.j54M2sO5002787@bubbleator.drizzle.com> With that many slides you really would need something with a stack loader... probably one of those Nikon puppies. Figure on spending at least $500 for a decent one. Scanning that many slides on a flatbed with a conversion gizmo on it would take about the age of the universe to complete. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds- > bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:22 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion > > Margaret or other photo gurus out there. > Do you have any fealings about what kind of slide scanner you want to > use to scan you slides? I have about 40,000 .... From jemstone at amug.org Sat Jun 4 15:04:58 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Sat Jun 4 15:06:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities - Burro Creek Access References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com><6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <42A20689.3060507@att.net> Message-ID: <003d01c56951$a05c2cf0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Actually Don, there is no rock collecting of any kind allowed on Arizona State Trust lands. In fact, there is no trespassing unless one is in the act of hunting or fishing with the appropriate gear and licenses. A permit can be purchased to go onto State lands, but it does not allow for rock collecting. All previous attempts by Arizona rockhounds to seek legislation to permit collecting has been futile. This is especially distressing in the famous Date Creek quartz crystal digging area. The State trust lands in the Chinle formation exposures are off limits whether they are leased or not. In this state, public State lands aren't public. I have sympathy for the bolt cutter approach, but I have seen bolt cutters used more for access to private lands, especially remote mines, where the part time operators lose a lot of valuable equipment to vandals running about on quads. One mine owner in the Red Picacho mining district has such an elaborate padlock entry system that it takes about 10 minutes to open the gate. This is due to constant vandalism, despite the place being well away from anywhere. Most State trust lands don't actually have padlocks on gates, they are posted no trespassing but not locked up. BLM lands have not been a problem to many folks. National Forest's staff provide far more hassles than do the BLM folks. List members should also know that one of Arizona's most famous collecting areas is seriously threatened. Burro Creek and the access roads to it experienced unusually heavy rains last winter. The main road in through Suicide Wash has been totally washed out leaving an impassible, boulder strewn arroyo in its place. The Creek itself was running higher than most Arizona Rivers and has probably damaged more of the access to collecting areas. Normally this would mean that Yavapai County would go in and grade (or rebuild) the roads. However, the rumor is that Phelps Dodge has found a major ore body on the BLM land in the area. Their existing Bagdad mine already dumps into the drainage and they have tried, unsuccessfully, in the past to cut off access to the area. One of our club members will attempt again to check out the area, but he could not even get near Burro Creek when he tried in April. The famous collecting areas of Burro Creek are well east of US Highway 93. There is easy access there with pleasant camping - but it's a long way from the purple agate, pastelite and dendritic opalite collecting areas. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > Tim Fisher wrote: > >> Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, >> or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of >> the lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. > > > Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's why > some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with keys, and > note paper & pens. > > Desert Don > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From jaybates at rcn.com Sat Jun 4 15:36:45 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Sat Jun 4 15:35:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities - Burro CreekAccess References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com><6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com><42A20689.3060507@att.net> <003d01c56951$a05c2cf0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: <000701c56955$e41bf020$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> The Peterson Mountain primary area used by rockhounds for collecting quartz crystals at Hallelujah Junction in California has recently been claimed as the "Amatrine King" by Carl Blackwell of Sonora Ca. It seems all the major collecting areas are being lost one by one. The only solution seems for some of the clubs to get involved in establishng claims for rockhounds. I know the California Federation is trying to work something out for the Benitoite Mine but I doubt they can do anything as a Federation. I know they have previously turned down accepting a mining claim from a club. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McLaughlin" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities - Burro CreekAccess > Actually Don, there is no rock collecting of any kind allowed on Arizona > State Trust lands. In fact, there is no trespassing unless one is in the > act of hunting or fishing with the appropriate gear and licenses. A permit > can be purchased to go onto State lands, but it does not allow for rock > collecting. All previous attempts by Arizona rockhounds to seek legislation > to permit collecting has been futile. > > This is especially distressing in the famous Date Creek quartz crystal > digging area. The State trust lands in the Chinle formation exposures are > off limits whether they are leased or not. In this state, public State > lands aren't public. > > I have sympathy for the bolt cutter approach, but I have seen bolt cutters > used more for access to private lands, especially remote mines, where the > part time operators lose a lot of valuable equipment to vandals running > about on quads. One mine owner in the Red Picacho mining district has such > an elaborate padlock entry system that it takes about 10 minutes to open the > gate. This is due to constant vandalism, despite the place being well away > from anywhere. Most State trust lands don't actually have padlocks on > gates, they are posted no trespassing but not locked up. > > BLM lands have not been a problem to many folks. National Forest's staff > provide far more hassles than do the BLM folks. > > List members should also know that one of Arizona's most famous collecting > areas is seriously threatened. Burro Creek and the access roads to it > experienced unusually heavy rains last winter. The main road in through > Suicide Wash has been totally washed out leaving an impassible, boulder > strewn arroyo in its place. The Creek itself was running higher than most > Arizona Rivers and has probably damaged more of the access to collecting > areas. Normally this would mean that Yavapai County would go in and grade > (or rebuild) the roads. However, the rumor is that Phelps Dodge has found a > major ore body on the BLM land in the area. Their existing Bagdad mine > already dumps into the drainage and they have tried, unsuccessfully, in the > past to cut off access to the area. > > One of our club members will attempt again to check out the area, but he > could not even get near Burro Creek when he tried in April. The famous > collecting areas of Burro Creek are well east of US Highway 93. There is > easy access there with pleasant camping - but it's a long way from the > purple agate, pastelite and dendritic opalite collecting areas. > > John McLaughlin > Glendale, Arizona > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don H" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > > > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > >> Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, > >> or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of > >> the lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. > > > > > > Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's why > > some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with keys, and > > note paper & pens. > > > > Desert Don > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From ronwinter at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 15:43:41 2005 From: ronwinter at comcast.net (Ron Winter) Date: Sat Jun 4 15:40:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <42A20689.3060507@att.net> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <42A20689.3060507@att.net> Message-ID: <42A22E9D.6090404@comcast.net> Greetings: First, I agree with pretty much every Rockhound that ?they? are taking land from ?us?. However, my confidence is high that anyone cutting pretty much any lock on pretty much any gate on pretty much any land not in their own back yard, (let?s not debate where our back yard ends and their?s begins) is subjecting themselves to citations, fines, and perhaps arrest. Maybe not for trespassing, but maybe for destruction of property, or for paying for the prize bulls that escaped and ran amok at the local orphanage. Anyway, again, clearly ?we? are being hosed in biblical proportions by ?them? and in more ways than I can go into at the moment (lucky you). Yes, it is a monumental pain in the gluteus. Butt, ;~) it really is the best way to force ?them? into compliance and puts them into a position harder (costs them more) to violate. Don H wrote: > Tim Fisher wrote: > >> Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked >> gates, or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not >> virtually all, of the lessees treat it as their land, and will not >> allow access. > > > > Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's > why some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with > keys, and note paper & pens. > > Desert Don > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- Regards, Ron Winter Auburn, Washington From jaybates at rcn.com Sat Jun 4 16:13:06 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Sat Jun 4 16:12:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com><42A20689.3060507@att.net> <42A22E9D.6090404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000501c5695a$f79d9540$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> They can block access across private land unless the right of access has been established and is included in the deeds. Even when the right of access has been established some landowners have tried to deny that access with locked gates. I also own some private land and have had numerous problems with trespassers who steal everything not locked down. No Trespassing signs don't phase them. Don't expect the blm to help you unless they are themselves locked out where they have had long standing access rights. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Winter" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > Greetings: > > First, I agree with pretty much every Rockhound that ?they? are taking > land from ?us?. However, my confidence is high that anyone cutting > pretty much any lock on pretty much any gate on pretty much any land not > in their own back yard, (let?s not debate where our back yard ends and > their?s begins) is subjecting themselves to citations, fines, and > perhaps arrest. Maybe not for trespassing, but maybe for destruction of > property, or for paying for the prize bulls that escaped and ran amok at > the local orphanage. > > Anyway, again, clearly ?we? are being hosed in biblical proportions by > ?them? and in more ways than I can go into at the moment (lucky you). > > Yes, it is a monumental pain in the gluteus. Butt, ;~) it really is the > best way to force ?them? into compliance and puts them into a position > harder (costs them more) to violate. > > Don H wrote: > > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > >> Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked > >> gates, or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not > >> virtually all, of the lessees treat it as their land, and will not > >> allow access. > > > > > > > > Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's > > why some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with > > keys, and note paper & pens. > > > > Desert Don > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Ron Winter > Auburn, Washington > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Jun 4 18:50:23 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 4 18:48:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: Message-ID: <001601c56970$f0a02d50$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Can you use the Silverfast driver with any scanner?? That sounds interesting. Your flourescent photos are fantastic and they deserve the very best equipment to capture them. Keep on doing whatever you're doing, it's working. I'm currently working on digitizing all my old family photos taken from about 1915 on. Would a $600 scanner make a LOT of difference in them. I'm currently using an HP5370C, which was only a $150 scanner at the time I bought it. It's adequate I guess, but then I don't know how much better a really good scanner would be. Like if you're used to ground round, you don't know how good a filet mignon is. Why can't you mail order the $600 scanner from the US?? Can't cost THAT much to mail it to Belgium. Jeanette -> > Professionals and semiprofessionals seem to agree that the best buy > nowadays > is the Microtek i900. It uses the SilverFast AI 6.0 driver software which > is > far superior to any driver from the manufacturers. The down side is that > it > costs over 600$ in the USA and over 1000 $ in Belgium (850$ in a store in > Munich but ten I'd have to travel 1000 miles to get one.) > > Even if you already own a reasonably good scanner, you can improve it's > performance by buying (downloading) the Silverfast driver. It's really > great. > > Axel > From davisj at earthlink.net Sat Jun 4 19:03:45 2005 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Sat Jun 4 19:03:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities - Burro CreekAccess In-Reply-To: <003d01c56951$a05c2cf0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: Re Burro Creek....from the Suicide Wash end...how difficult is the walk/hike from as far as you can drive to the purple stuff. From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Jun 4 19:11:37 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 4 19:09:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <200506041625.j54GPlRE018197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <003601c56973$e7cffbd0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> What can you do with that change of color in the sky for a daylight panorama. Seems no matter how many "panels" you take, the sky is always lighter on one side than the other. I did a 360 degree pan around our campsite on Drum Mtn, at sunset and the change in panels is obvious, but since it's for my own enjoyment, I'm not going to do anything to it. Jeanette ----- > The stitch feature in Photoshop CS2 is REALLY good. I made a panorama of > around a dozen shots taken on the Millennium Bridge in London and it just > about nailed it. I had to do a little bit of tweaking in the sky where > the > images joined but other than that it was perfect. From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jun 4 19:59:36 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jun 4 19:52:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <200506041625.j54GPlRE018197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <003601c56973$e7cffbd0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <42A268F4.3544@Tomaszewski.net> Actually, the sky color, brightness, and 'light temperature' do vary based on the direction you are looking and the relative position of the sun. Light polarization, dispersion by aerosols and dust, and other optical effects cause this. You don't notice it in a movie pan because the steps are so small. You can minimize the effect in your own pan sets by having more overlap and taking more pictures. Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > What can you do with that change of color in the sky for a daylight > panorama. Seems no matter how many "panels" you take, the sky is always > lighter on one side than the other. I did a 360 degree pan around our > campsite on Drum Mtn, at sunset and the change in panels is obvious, but > since it's for my own enjoyment, I'm not going to do anything to it. > Jeanette > ----- > > > The stitch feature in Photoshop CS2 is REALLY good. I made a panorama of > > around a dozen shots taken on the Millennium Bridge in London and it just > > about nailed it. I had to do a little bit of tweaking in the sky where > > the > > images joined but other than that it was perfect. From pbhewitt at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 20:12:20 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:12:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <200506041625.j54GPlRE018197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001701c5697c$6367b7d0$6501a8c0@maingear> I know there have been a lot of posts about digital photography lately and unfortunately I had little interest in it so I didnt read very many of them. I have just now taken up digital photography because I have decided to record my meager collection and put up a website about it. My question to the group is about lighting. I have been using a flourescent magnifier lamp and it seems to wash out the colors especially in white/clear materials like quartz. I have heard that tungsten is good but after looking that up on the internet it is WAY too expensive for my budget. Anyone have any experience with lighting that works well with digital? Paul in Marietta From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Jun 4 20:31:22 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:31:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geo-humor References: <42A12139.1248@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007101c5697f$0be02850$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> A friend of mine sent the following note to me. Having survived a number of years as a geology student a couple of decades ago, I found a few chuckles. It shows you that bad answers can last longer that the right one. - Alan -------------- >From a collection of "exam-paper howlers" collected by the Geological Society in the late 1970s. I forgot to photocopy the title while I was copying a few "taster" pages, but the ISBN is 0 04 550032 0, if you want more of the same. (Probably out of print.) ( http://gb.bookbutler.info/Crawl.po;jsessionid=UICYoaV764xl5kF1x5nwFYLd? typ=i&lng=2&in=0+04+550032+0 "Geological Howlers: Boners and Bloomers W.D.Ian Rolfe ISBN 0045500320 HarperCollins,1984") Chapter 8 - Schists of better grade =================================== .. Attempts at "PORPHYROBLAST" by twenty-two students from the University of Waterloo's Class of 1971-2 : PAPHYROBLAST PORPHROBLAST PORPHYROBAST PORPYROBLAST PORPHERABLAST PORPHROPCLAST PORPHRYOBAST PORPHYOBLAST PHORPHROBLAST PORPHORBLAST PHORPHYROBLAST PHORPHEROBLAST PHOROCLAST PHORPHROCLATS PORPHROCLAST PHORCLAST PHORPHOCLAST PHORPHROCLAST PHROCLAST PHROPHROCLAST PORPHRYOBLAST PORPHYROCLAST PARPHROBLAST PORPHOBLAST POPHYROBLAST PORPHOROPLAST PHORPHOROBLAST PORPHONOPLAST PORPHOROBLAST PORYEROBLAST PORYROBLAST PROPHYROBLAST BLASTOPHRYRES BLASTOPORPHYROCRYSTS PROPHYROS GREAT JUMPING MEGACRYSTS Attrib: E.C.A. [Comment : when I started trying to type this lot out, I thought that I'd make a lot of mistakes. It was surprisingly easy. I think the repetition of basic word elements ("POR", "BLAST", "CRYST", "PHYRO") which have been put together like building blocks (i.e., with a large hammer), may tell one something about the process by which these jaw-cracking chunks of technical terminology enter into student's braincells. Or fail to enter. Unfortunately, on reflection, I suspect that the main insight to be gained from this is that the people who developed the terminology had a working knowledge of Greek and Latin which modern students lack ; this is hardly a novel insight. However it may suggest that including asides (in texts or handouts) concerning the etymology (not entomology ) of the terminology may well be a useful minor teaching point. Making the students read it is another matter ... ] "Metamorphic grade refers to the change in the amount of change in a rock as the cause of the change is approached." Attrib: C.D.G. [Comment : "Banana" is an easy word to start spelling; where to stop the word is more difficult. Attrib: Gobfrey Shrudle, /passim/] Thermal metamorphism is the action of the sun in breaking down rocks. Regional metamorphism, on the other hand, depends upon specific region : polar, equatorial etc. Attrib: B.J.B. The area is very old because the shales contain oysters. The Shales have been metamorphosed from limestone. Attrib: G.F. Chapter 9 - Sedimentation is a rather lengthy affair ==================================================== The sediment was deposited in deep water faeces. Attrib: C.J.B. Mudstone is a shale formed by the deposition of silt. Attrib: B.J.B. A sea-floor dwelling environment for organisms is termed 'Bentonic'. This is because clay is the last part of any sedimentary assemblage to be deposited and the seabed is always covered in clay, specially the weathered pyroclastic product called Bentonite - hence Bentonic. Attrib: M.B. The nearer the rocks are to the sea, the narrower their wide is. Attrib: C.J.B. Sedimentalisation. Attrib: J.H.McD.W Coarse-grained detrital rocks are in the Pshitic category. Attrib: C.J.B. Currant bedded sandstones. Attrib: J.H.McD.W [Accompanied by a sketch of a bonsai tree, with a magnifying glass revealing a couple of very small owls and the caption "Hoots! Ay dinna believe it!"] Tiny ools. Attrib: J.H.McD.W Ooses. Attrib: J.H.McD.W Pyritous shale - shale which has had pyrites. Attrib: P.T.C. Un-natural sediments such as sunken battleships ... Attrib: J.H.McD.W. A pair of laminae representing a year's sediment is termed a vulva. [Ahh, student life!] Attrib: R.L.B. Symmetrical ripple marks are produced by alternating currents. Attrib: R.L.B. Sedimentation is a rather lengthy affair. Attrib: W.D.I.R. Ribble marks. Attrib: J.H.McD.W. ["Independence for Preston!", that's what I say.] [...] Chapter 3 - The probable cause of earthquakes ============================================= [This is the section I copied first; I was going to post it to sci.geo.earthquakes but it's more general than that.] Vine and Matthews saw a magnetic anomaly at every ridge throughout the world. Attrib: C.P.H. The continents are being searched for magnetic wanderers. Attrib: M.Br. Seismographs are machines which pick up the vibrations of an earthquake before it happens. Attrib: C.J.B. .. from the penis suspended a heavy weight to prevent bouncing. Attrib: F.H. [sic, in the Latin sense. This student would hardly raise an eyebrow these days. In the *right* university bar. Late at night.] Earthquakes tell us many things about the Earth - from an earthquake you can sometimes measure the degree of heat coming from the centre of the earth - the flow of lava can produce many fossils, plus also preserve other rocks and substances. Attrib: N.J.H. [I see a career in Intelligent Design Theology looming for this student!] In ocean floor basalts the small magnetic metals crystallize in either black or white strips according to which way the pole is.Attrib: C.J.B. Carbon dioxide allows the Sun's Rays to penetrate through, but on reflection at the Moho discontinuity the heat is prevented from escaping into the upper reaches of the Earth's atmosphere. Attrib: C.J.B. The rise in temperature with depth can be shown by dropping a thermometer down an old shaft. for every mile the instrument drops the temperature increases by 17degC. Attrib: C.J.B. Seismic waves increase their velocity as they go downwards but they get very shaky at the 11+ stage. Attrib: T.C.F.S. [For non-Britons, "11-plus" was an exam series (based on blatant fraud, it must be said; Google "Cyril Burt") which was very stressful on 10 to 11 year-old schoolkids. Fail your 11+ and you had essentially zero chance of any post-16 state education. Rather stressful.] Before an earthquake occurs shock waves are given off. Attrib: C.J.B. Only now are we progressing beyond the earthquake detection of the Chinese - the dragon which dropped one of it's balls when the ground shook. Attrib: G.P.D. sin x sin^H x (n ^H means "n crossed out") ----- = ------- = six n n^H Attrib: G.P.L.W. The Earth is 4,500,000,000 million years old. Attrib: C.J.B. Iron ions deposits on the sea floor may have come from volcanoes. These ions were thus very hot. If over the temperature 400/500degC (Currie Point) they become magnetic and move about in the water to settle pointing in the direction of the North Pole. Attrib: B.E.L./ D.B. The probable cause of earthquakes may be attributed to bad drainage and neglect of sewerage. Attrib: H.C.H. {article from a West Country paper} Convection currents in the underlying rocks provide the energy and mechanical requirements needed to make the gradual drift or motion of woman's pale green two-piece suit on April 17th. Attrib: D.P. -- Aidan Karley, FGS Aberdeen, Scotland, Location: 57?10'11" N, 02?08'43" W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jun 4 20:46:34 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:39:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <200506041625.j54GPlRE018197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001701c5697c$6367b7d0$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <42A273EF.4685@Tomaszewski.net> Paul, Your standard light bulb is tungsten. A couple, or a few, minature floodlights in sockets you can position will work. Sunlight works, but you might need a couple of mirrors to redirect/reflect some fill/highlite lighting from alternate/side directions. A standard flash into an umbrella or white surface above the specimen works. White and clear materials usually benefit from one or two point sources instead of a general field lighting. Kreigh Paul Hewitt wrote: > > I know there have been a lot of posts about digital photography lately and > unfortunately I had little interest in it so I didnt read very many of them. > I have just now taken up digital photography because I have decided to > record my meager collection and put up a website about it. My question to > the group is about lighting. I have been using a flourescent magnifier lamp > and it seems to wash out the colors especially in white/clear materials like > quartz. I have heard that tungsten is good but after looking that up on the > internet it is WAY too expensive for my budget. Anyone have any experience > with lighting that works well with digital? > > Paul in Marietta From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Jun 4 20:45:05 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:43:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geo-humor References: <42A12139.1248@Tomaszewski.net> <007101c5697f$0be02850$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000a01c56980$f64aba30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> LOL, some of these only a rock-lover can appreciate! but good! Jeanette From tim at orerockon.com Sat Jun 4 20:47:30 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:47:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <42A20689.3060507@att.net> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <42A20689.3060507@att.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050604204625.02973330@mail.spiritone.com> And bulletproof vests? If you did that to "access" the BLM land surrounded by Richardson's Ranch (for example), you might need one... At 12:52 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote: >Tim Fisher wrote: > >>Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, >>or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of >>the lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. > > >Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's why >some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with keys, and >note paper & pens. > >Desert Don Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From folmstead at rcn.com Sat Jun 4 20:48:38 2005 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:50:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Ida... In-Reply-To: <1117566564.4864.41.camel@localhost> References: <4296160A.4090903@rcn.com> <1117566564.4864.41.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42A27616.5030005@rcn.com> THANK YOU !! GeorgiaO __.--...__.. john wrote: >On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 14:31 -0400, Frederick Olmstead wrote: > > >>Hi >>Just asking anyone who has been to the crystal dig at Mt Ida, Arkansas >> >>Your opinion... >> >>Your experience - good? bad? >> >>Tools needed >> >>etc. >> >> >>thank you >>GeorgiaO >> >> > > >For Miller Mountain, see the article in the June 2005 issue of Rock&Gem >magazine for one man's experience. > >I was at several sites last Labor Day and at the Championship Dig last >October. I had good luck at Miller Mountain and moderate luck at other >areas; it all depends upon what the miners are finding at the time. > >The Championship Dig was a blast. Lots of good people and fun; but don't >expect too much by way of finding material or winning prizes. There are >plenty of highly-skilled people competing! Still it is quite an >experience. My "best" pieces were a lovely piece of Crazy-lace agate and >a nice rutile group from Magnet Cove from some of my fellow rockhounds. > >I stayed at the state park at the East end of Lake Ouachita. Very nice >location and quiet at that time of the year. Also convenient to >everything from Mt. Ida to Magnet Cove. > >Last year's dig was filmed and is now part of the DVD on Rockhounding >that is available from the producers in Dallas and at many rock shows as >well. > >Tools: pick up a "digger" locally, which is a forged and sharpened piece >of heavy rebar. It is the best tool for digging in the matrix rock. But >that is HARD WORK; most people get by with a small garden rake digging >in the clay and debris remaindered at the fee areas. The best pieces >come out of a heavy, wet red clay that sticks to Everything! Plan on >throwaway clothes or coveralls at least ( to protect your vehicle!). > >Also rain gear. > >Five-gallon plastic buckets are good for transport and storage. I have >found these good for any rockhound trip as they are stackable and tough. > >See www.rockhoundingar.com for good tips and details. Also Al Balmer and >Stuart Schmitt know current conditions as well as anyone. > > >john > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ronwinter at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 20:55:19 2005 From: ronwinter at comcast.net (Ron Winter) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:52:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <42A22E9D.6090404@comcast.net> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <42A20689.3060507@att.net> <42A22E9D.6090404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42A277A7.9040006@comcast.net> Oops. looks like I left out an important part of my original message. That being bring the land administrators to court to gain access. That is the best way to deal with them. Ron Winter wrote: > Greetings: > > First, I agree with pretty much every Rockhound that ?they? are taking > land from ?us?. However, my confidence is high that anyone cutting > pretty much any lock on pretty much any gate on pretty much any land > not in their own back yard, (let?s not debate where our back yard ends > and their?s begins) is subjecting themselves to citations, fines, and > perhaps arrest. Maybe not for trespassing, but maybe for destruction > of property, or for paying for the prize bulls that escaped and ran > amok at the local orphanage. > > Anyway, again, clearly ?we? are being hosed in biblical proportions by > ?them? and in more ways than I can go into at the moment (lucky you). > > Yes, it is a monumental pain in the gluteus. Butt, ;~) it really is > the best way to force ?them? into compliance and puts them into a > position harder (costs them more) to violate. > > Don H wrote: > >> Tim Fisher wrote: >> >>> Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked >>> gates, or only accessible through private roads. Many, if not >>> virtually all, of the lessees treat it as their land, and will not >>> allow access. >> >> >> >> >> Ahhh, but it isn't *their* land, and they can't block access. That's >> why some western people I know carry bolt cutters, extra locks with >> keys, and note paper & pens. >> >> Desert Don >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > -- Regards, Ron Winter Auburn, Washington From tim at orerockon.com Sat Jun 4 20:55:31 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:55:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <20050604211931.IGO22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox .net> References: <20050604211931.IGO22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050604205117.02ad9e40@mail.spiritone.com> That works in theory. In reality, it doesn't. I wonder how many people on this list have actually secured access to BLM land surrounded by private land in that manner? Friends of mine tried to access the Stephenson Mtn. locality in Crook Co. last summer, which is BLM surrounded by a ranch and accessed by one road with a locked gate 3 miles down the mtn. They called umpteen people, USFS, BLM, landowner, grazing lessee, outfitter, etc. They were told to go ^#%$ themselves, in essence. Went anyway, cut the lock, and got a $2500 ticket (the max fine by law) when the outfitter called the sheriff. I haven't heard if they got it reduced in court. At 02:19 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote: >BLM land is public land and you have access. If you are locked out, >notify BLM. They will set the lessee straight. If there is a gate, open >it. As a courtesy close it after you have gone thru. > > >Hugh Hammerslag Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Jun 4 21:26:49 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sat Jun 4 21:26:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dinosaurs are like birds -- and we can now tell their sex from their bones In-Reply-To: <42A12139.1248@Tomaszewski.net> References: <42A12139.1248@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4071d9307295d33a1e33e056ab94b903@cox.net> Kreigh, Seems your message was delegated to "junk mail" most likely due to the work "Sex" in the header. Hugs and smiles Terrie From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 22:08:38 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Jun 4 22:08:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types In-Reply-To: <200506050100.j5510Rfl007480@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> Pete-- this is a great cheat sheet that I need to laminate :)! so it is the sodium content that determines type? I was surprised about the sanidine/rhyolite link as I remember reading that sanidine occurs in xls near where we found an andesite outcrop. I will have to check my reference samples to tell the diff between andesine and sanidine. I keep promising myself that when I done with this phase of my life, I can take the time out to study petrology and memorize that Streckeisen(sp?) diagram! One last question--can I assume that based on your cheat sheet below, that if I find opal, it is in rhyolite? Or opal is secondary mineralization, isn't it, so that answers my question I suppose. Thanks again, tina nospamnospamnospam From: "Peter J. Modreski" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava types (was pillow basalts) Tina, You've certainly got it right, that you can't tell a lava by its color; the colors and shades vary a great deal; though if it's jet black it's probably basalt (unless obsidian, of course), and if it's white it's probably rhyolite (though dacites can be quite white too); but gray, green, red shades--can be almost anything. But to offer a partial answer to, > Is there a better > field id method for identifying different extrusives? one other guide can be the identity of the phenocrysts--if there are any to see, and if you can distinguish between the different minerals--sometimes easy, sometimes not (without having a petrographic thin section). But a general guide would be: basalt: pyroxene (augite) and plagioclase feldspar (labradorite) andesite: hornblende, sometimes pyroxene, plagioclase feldspar (andesine) dacite: hornblende, sometimes biotite, rarely pyroxene, assorted feldspar (that's my cop-out answer for not know more exactly what to specify) rhyolite: biotite, sanidine feldspar, quartz (bipyramidal; beta-quartz) I know that in practice, in the field, this may not be easy to apply, but in some cases it may help. And now of course, there are other types of lava too, other "intermediate" types, such as latite, trachyte, phonolite, etc., because the balance between plagioclase, alkali feldspar, and quartz varies, because magmas don't lie on one single, simple linear trend between basalt and rhyolite. (Nothing's simple in geology, and there are always exceptions!) Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Jun 4 22:45:01 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 4 22:43:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digital Photography References: <200506041625.j54GPlRE018197@bubbleator.drizzle.com><003601c56973$e7cffbd0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <42A268F4.3544@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002301c56991$b7416da0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I was overlapping by one third, but apparently that's not enough. I always wondered how they get 360 degree panoramas in VRML so seamless looking. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography > Actually, the sky color, brightness, and 'light temperature' do vary > based on the direction you are looking and the relative position of the > sun. Light polarization, dispersion by aerosols and dust, and other > optical effects cause this. You don't notice it in a movie pan because > the steps are so small. You can minimize the effect in your own pan sets > by having more overlap and taking more pictures. > > From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 4 23:07:43 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:07:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion References: <1f9.b27227d.2fd37787@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c56994$ea50fe60$78f1edc1@mpc1> We use a Nikon Coolscan for 35mm slides. No flat bed scanner comes close to the quality in our experience. There are cheaper options that probably do a good job too. Mick From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 4 23:09:21 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:09:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <001601c56970$f0a02d50$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <002001c56995$1e6ef940$78f1edc1@mpc1> There's an excellent article on digital photography - especially the amazing technique of "slicing" images at different focal positions and stiching them together using software to do away with the depth-of-field limitations of conventional photography - in the latest UK Journal of Mines and Minerals. Mick From jemstone at amug.org Sat Jun 4 23:53:08 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:53:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Burro Creek Access References: Message-ID: <003301c5699b$4d3e67f0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Joe, I believe it is about 7 miles of wash, all down hill going in, but I was not the one who discovered the washout. There are some other access roads, though not as good or useful when coming from Phoenix. Trust that we will find a way in, as the collecting is still good with time and some knowledge of the area. However, despite weather in the cool upper 90s, we will be getting really hot soon. That hike in mid June would require more water than one could carry. There is no guarantee that there will be water in Burro Creek and if there is it would definitely require microfiltration. That stuff gets really foul in warm weather, what with the algae and the number of cattle that are in the area. However, the purple agate is now hard to find. Finding float requires walking the side washes well away from Burro Creek. Digging requires a guided trip with a club unless you are very familiar with the area. Our club's Burro Creek expert is making another foray into the area, but he isn't so much looking for agate as he is looking for access for future trips. He is taking advantage of this cool spell while we are under 100 (considered "warm" on the desert, not hot). John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Davis" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities - BurroCreekAccess > Re Burro Creek....from the Suicide Wash end...how difficult is the > walk/hike > from as far as you can drive to the purple stuff. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Jun 5 01:01:18 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Jun 5 01:00:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117958478.4891.3.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 12:11 +0200, Axel Emmermann wrote: > It will if your scanner is good AND the software is top notch. > I used three dedicated film scanners until now: > -a Microtek 35 USB: aw, forget I mentioned it ;-)))) > -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update the drivers for it and it > will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA slot. I will NEVER buy a > NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away when I buy a more modern > computer. Try using a pci scsi card (like the adaptec 2940) and a TWAIN driver. That usually works. It is a good way to recover the HP scanners that came with a proprietary card. john From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 5 03:47:10 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 5 03:46:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <1117958478.4891.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update the drivers for it and it > will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA slot. I will NEVER buy a > NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away when I buy a more modern > computer. >>Try using a pci scsi card (like the adaptec 2940) and a TWAIN driver. >>That usually works. It is a good way to recover the HP scanners that >>came with a proprietary card. Thanks John, but I don't think that the TWAIN drivers that NIKON provided work under XP. They were designed for Win95/98 an Nikon refuses to upgrade them. I called the dealer and he confirmed that other SCSI cards won't work. If there are any drivers for the LS20E that work under XP, I sure couldn't find them ;-))) Maybe I try the Adaptec 2940 if I found he twain drivers... Any ideas? Axel From jabac at hal-pc.org Sun Jun 5 05:05:09 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Sun Jun 5 05:04:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117973109.4891.8.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 12:47 +0200, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update the drivers for it and it > > will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA slot. I will NEVER buy a > > NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away when I buy a more modern > > computer. > > > >>Try using a pci scsi card (like the adaptec 2940) and a TWAIN driver. > >>That usually works. It is a good way to recover the HP scanners that > >>came with a proprietary card. > > Thanks John, but I don't think that the TWAIN drivers that NIKON provided > work under XP. They were designed for Win95/98 an Nikon refuses to upgrade > them. I called the dealer and he confirmed that other SCSI cards won't work. > If there are any drivers for the LS20E that work under XP, I sure couldn't > find them ;-))) > Maybe I try the Adaptec 2940 if I found he twain drivers... > Any ideas? > > Axel Hmmm...since the engine is almost certainly a canon, it might be useful to try either the generic Microsoft driver or one from HP. Perhaps there is a generic driver in Windows 2000 that would work under XP also. john From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 5 05:33:05 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 5 05:32:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <001601c56970$f0a02d50$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: >Can you use the Silverfast driver with any scanner?? That sounds >interesting. You can download a driver from SilverFast if your scanner is in the list. You can test the driver but the images are marked with "LaserSoft" across the image. This "stamp" disappears when you buy and install the key. >Your flourescent photos are fantastic and they deserve the very best >equipment to capture them. Keep on doing whatever you're doing, it's >working. Thank you! I'd like to show y'all my latest creations but alas, my scanner fails to do them justice. >I'm currently working on digitizing all my old family photos taken from >about 1915 on. Would a $600 scanner make a LOT of difference in them. I'm >currently using an HP5370C, which was only a $150 scanner at the time I >bought it. It's adequate I guess, but then I don't know how much better a >really good scanner would be. Like if you're used to ground round, you don't >know how good a filet mignon is. True, but if you can't see the difference then there is none, even if there is ;-))) Most scanners work just fine if the slides are "normal"... the home-grown kitchen variety tourist shots that have normal color balance, normal contrast, normal everything will usually come out right. Pictures of sunsets and backlighted stuff comes out ugly. I saw some neat scans of the Microtek i900 and I think I'll be going for that machine. >Why can't you mail order the $600 scanner from the US?? Can't cost THAT >much to mail it to Belgium. 21 % VAT and about the same import tax ;-)))) I once sent some slides of fluorescent minerals to the FMS for copying and distributing among the members. After the copies were made, they sent the slides back to me. The green slip (customs & insurance) said: "value: 90$" or something along those lines... I had to pay 36$ upon receipt! To get back what was mine already... Go figure ;-))) I'd have to make some careful calculations. Axel From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Sun Jun 5 06:23:42 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Sun Jun 5 06:23:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Washington Weekend Announcement Message-ID: <20050605132342.5BE45CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Those who know of John Cornish and our good friend Herb from Japan; I am reposting this from McRocks. http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mcrocks/vpost?id=476206 Greetings: John Cornish and I have been exchanging emails and packages, and decided to try to set up a collecting weekend with rockhound friends July 30-31 north of Seattle in the Port Angles area. Evidently the tides will be favorable for the mornings at that time. I'm including John's email to me with information about the area and what we can expect. A BBQ after Saturday's beachcombing sounds great with a chance to exchange stories and ideas. John obviously has a small home museum to show us, and I'll do a bit of Bonseki. John's going to be off at his mining claim in Idaho for a few weeks now, so it'll be my job to find out how many people will be interested in showing up. Email me at japanherb@yahoo.com sometime within the next month if you are interested in joining the fun. Later, Herb David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 07:10:23 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Jun 5 07:10:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <1117973109.4891.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050605141023.56573.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like a similar problem I have. I use the Kodak MDS 100 camera on my 'scope. It plugs into my computer with a USB cable. I'm running Windows 98, and have no problems (at least no compatibility problems). I recently bought a laptop with Windows 200 installed. I'd like to be able to hook the MDS 100 to the laptop, then jack the laptop into the projection system in the meeting room our club uses, so as to project whatever is under the 'scope directly onto the screen. Unfortunately, the MDS is no longer supported by Kodak, and It won't work with Windows 2000. When I tried to install the MDS software onto the laptop I got a message that I had to have 95 or 98. Jim Daly --- john wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 12:47 +0200, Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > > -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update > the drivers for it and it > > > will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA > slot. I will NEVER buy a > > > NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away > when I buy a more modern > > > computer. > > > > > > >>Try using a pci scsi card (like the adaptec > 2940) and a TWAIN driver. > > >>That usually works. It is a good way to recover > the HP scanners that > > >>came with a proprietary card. > > > > Thanks John, but I don't think that the TWAIN > drivers that NIKON provided > > work under XP. They were designed for Win95/98 an > Nikon refuses to upgrade > > them. I called the dealer and he confirmed that > other SCSI cards won't work. > > If there are any drivers for the LS20E that work > under XP, I sure couldn't > > find them ;-))) > > Maybe I try the Adaptec 2940 if I found he twain > drivers... > > Any ideas? > > > > Axel > > Hmmm...since the engine is almost certainly a canon, > it might be useful > to try either the generic Microsoft driver or one > from HP. Perhaps there > is a generic driver in Windows 2000 that would work > under XP also. > > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 5 07:17:45 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 5 07:12:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050604204625.02973330@mail.spiritone.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <42A20689.3060507@att.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050604204625.02973330@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <42A30989.5040709@att.net> Wow, I didn't expect all those responses. Obviously I left a bit too much unsaid, or to the imagination, when I posted my comment. To clarify a few points: 1. I was only talking specifically about federal BLM land, where it is legal to collect. 2. I didn't mean that people should pass through private property. That is a separate issue, and as someone else pointed out, that is best handled through the legal systems. The city, state, and BLM may or may not be of help, and then it is someone's choice if they feel that a private citizen blocking access to public lands constitutes unlawful restraint and they have the fundamental right to cross that private land to access public land. In any case, I have seen instances in the BLM areas surrounding Phoenix where a number of BLM parcels were under lease or claim, and there was an elaborate system of multiple chains and locks for which all the involved parties had keys so they could get back to their area. Reportedly the penalty for putting a new lock and not giving a copy of the key to the other parties was to have the lock cut and replaced, as described earlier. When I saw the bolt cutter, chain, and locks in my friend's truck, I knew this wasn't just a joke. I also heard this from someone who worked for the BLM in Nevada--apparently the BLM employees themselves follow this practice. Desert Don From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 5 07:39:59 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Jun 5 07:25:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c569dc$7544ec60$cda3490c@pete> You're right, Tina, opal is secondary mineralization and doesn't necessarily relate to the rock type. (Though overall, since it's silica rich as with agate, it is more likely to occur in rhyolite; but, opal can occur in basalt too, as well as in sedimentary rock.) And of course it's a complicated balance between silica (increasing toward rhyolite) and everything else (Fe, Mg, and Ca generally decreasing, Na and K increasing) that determines the different rock types. So the minerals (the primary minerals--the phenocrysts--that form, reflect the overall composition of the magma. This is really the famous "Bowen's Reaction Series" that has surely been mentioned before to this List. The minerals that are most rich in Mg, Fe, Ca occur more in basalt (augite, plagioclase, and I could have mentioned the best example, olivine, too), and minerals richer in Na, K, and Si, in rhyolite (sanidine and quartz). So this is what accounts for the general trend in the dark minerals that I mentioned, olivine - augite - hornblende - biotite, as you go from basalt-andesite-rhyolite. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > Pete-- > this is a great cheat sheet that I need to laminate > :)! so it is the sodium content that determines type? > I was surprised about the sanidine/rhyolite link as I > remember reading that sanidine occurs in xls near > where we found an andesite outcrop. I will have to > check my reference samples to tell the diff between > andesine and sanidine. > I keep promising myself that when I done with this > phase of my life, I can take the time out to study > petrology and memorize that Streckeisen(sp?) diagram! > One last question--can I assume that based on your > cheat sheet below, that if I find opal, it is in > rhyolite? Or opal is secondary mineralization, isn't > it, so that answers my question I suppose. > Thanks again, > tina /listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 08:09:29 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:09:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <20050605141023.56573.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1117973109.4891.8.camel@localhost> <20050605141023.56573.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Did you get the error message when installing the software or when trying to run it after installation? If the latter Win XP and I think Win 2K can emulate Win95/98 BK On 6/5/05, Jim Daly wrote: > Sounds like a similar problem I have. I use the Kodak > MDS 100 camera on my 'scope. It plugs into my computer > with a USB cable. I'm running Windows 98, and have no > problems (at least no compatibility problems). I > recently bought a laptop with Windows 200 installed. > I'd like to be able to hook the MDS 100 to the laptop, > then jack the laptop into the projection system in the > meeting room our club uses, so as to project whatever > is under the 'scope directly onto the screen. > Unfortunately, the MDS is no longer supported by > Kodak, and It won't work with Windows 2000. When I > tried to install the MDS software onto the laptop I > got a message that I had to have 95 or 98. > Jim Daly > > --- john wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 12:47 +0200, Axel Emmermann > > wrote: > > > > -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to update > > the drivers for it and it > > > > will work only on a SCSI port that is in an ISA > > slot. I will NEVER buy a > > > > NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it away > > when I buy a more modern > > > > computer. > > > > > > > > > >>Try using a pci scsi card (like the adaptec > > 2940) and a TWAIN driver. > > > >>That usually works. It is a good way to recover > > the HP scanners that > > > >>came with a proprietary card. > > > > > > Thanks John, but I don't think that the TWAIN > > drivers that NIKON provided > > > work under XP. They were designed for Win95/98 an > > Nikon refuses to upgrade > > > them. I called the dealer and he confirmed that > > other SCSI cards won't work. > > > If there are any drivers for the LS20E that work > > under XP, I sure couldn't > > > find them ;-))) > > > Maybe I try the Adaptec 2940 if I found he twain > > drivers... > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Axel > > > > Hmmm...since the engine is almost certainly a canon, > > it might be useful > > to try either the generic Microsoft driver or one > > from HP. Perhaps there > > is a generic driver in Windows 2000 that would work > > under XP also. > > > > > > john > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From everbeek at nac.net Sun Jun 5 08:20:45 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:20:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land access In-Reply-To: <42A30989.5040709@att.net> Message-ID: <000001c569e2$28d3ed30$bee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> A few more comments to build upon Don's information: It's not uncommon to see as many as 10 locks on one gate in our western states -- that's how the federal management agencies (mostly BLM and Forest Service), the folks who lease federal land, and the folks who own private land, control who has access to any particular area. For example, I could have keys to gates A, B, and C, and you could have keys to gates A, C, D, and H. It's a simple and effective system. Many folks who spend a lot of time in the field carry heavy-duty bolt cutters and a spare lock or two with them, as Don said. There are multiple reasons for this. (1) You may pass through an open gate at the beginning of the day and find it closed and locked when you return. (2) You may find that a lessee of public land has gated and locked a public road, illegally denying access by other users of that public land. (3) You may get lost and have to go out a different way than originally intended. Regardless, you will do no harm if you shear a LINK OF THE CHAIN instead of one of the locks, and replace the broken link with a lock of your own. There is no need to leave a key to that lock, or a note: the new lock merely replaces a link in the chain and need never be opened. No harm, no foul. This is part of the rural ethic in the West, and it was drummed into me during my first days in the USGS. Another part of this: leave everything as you found it. If a gate was open when you drove through, leave it open. If it was closed, even illegally, close it again. That way no lessee or private landholder can complain that his cattle were lost because of some jerk leaving a gate open, or closing a gate when it was intended to be open. The only exception to this is when you see an open gate next to a busy highway and the cattle are leaking out. In this case it's best to close the gate and immediately search out the land owner. Do NOT simply close the gate and leave. Still another item: Don't drive on dirt roads that are still so wet that you leave deep ruts in them. Even if it's the only day you've had for collecting in months, stay off those roads -- you don't have the right to create such damage to public-access routes. This is just another part of not being a jerk. The BLM and Forest Service are quite aware of the competing interests, frayed feelings, and legal complexities of having a parcel of public land surrounded by private land. In general the property rights of the private landowner trump those of the public because you have to trespass to gain access to the public land. The BLM and Forest Service routinely work to eliminate such problems by, say, offering land exchanges to the private landowner so an access corridor can be opened to the public land in exchange for another parcel of land. Because this can result in a win-win situation it's the obvious route to go, but these negotiations take time, and they're a perennial back-burner item because there are usually more pressing issues to tend to. All or nearly all local BLM and Forest Service offices maintain a supply of land ownership and land access maps, so there is no reason for anyone not to know where the private lands are when out collecting. These maps may be slightly out-of-date as land exchanges take place, but if you are caught trespassing and can show the rancher or judge that your map shows the land as public, you will generally receive no penalty because you were acting under good faith. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:18 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities Wow, I didn't expect all those responses. Obviously I left a bit too much unsaid, or to the imagination, when I posted my comment. To clarify a few points: 1. I was only talking specifically about federal BLM land, where it is legal to collect. 2. I didn't mean that people should pass through private property. That is a separate issue, and as someone else pointed out, that is best handled through the legal systems. The city, state, and BLM may or may not be of help, and then it is someone's choice if they feel that a private citizen blocking access to public lands constitutes unlawful restraint and they have the fundamental right to cross that private land to access public land. In any case, I have seen instances in the BLM areas surrounding Phoenix where a number of BLM parcels were under lease or claim, and there was an elaborate system of multiple chains and locks for which all the involved parties had keys so they could get back to their area. Reportedly the penalty for putting a new lock and not giving a copy of the key to the other parties was to have the lock cut and replaced, as described earlier. When I saw the bolt cutter, chain, and locks in my friend's truck, I knew this wasn't just a joke. I also heard this from someone who worked for the BLM in Nevada--apparently the BLM employees themselves follow this practice. Desert Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 5 08:37:20 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:31:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land access In-Reply-To: <000001c569e2$28d3ed30$bee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> References: <000001c569e2$28d3ed30$bee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <42A31C30.9050907@att.net> earl verbeek wrote: > A few more comments to build upon Don's information: >. . . Regardless, you > will do no harm if you shear a LINK OF THE CHAIN instead of one of the > locks, and replace the broken link with a lock of your own. There is no > need to leave a key to that lock, or a note: the new lock merely replaces a > link in the chain and need never be opened. No harm, no foul. AHA! Of course, for those who haven't figured it out, Earl was the one who told me some of these stories and whom I was (slightly mis-)quoting. Now I remember, yes, it's the link that you cut, and sometimes that is why you see a string of locks and links on a gate. I need to come to terms with the fact that my memory isn't as crisp as it once was . . . at least I wasn't too far off base, and now we know the more accurate version of the story. Sorry if I led anyone astray with my earlier errors. Dizzy Don From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 08:48:57 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:48:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20050605154858.88094.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Well this was wide open. You could just walk up to it form the road. No fences for miles but you were in high dry desert. Hardely a creasote bush for miles. Just desert pavement. --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is > behind locked gates, or > only accessible through private roads. Many, if not > virtually all, of the > lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow > access. At least, that > has been my friend in AZ's experience, and mine as > well. > > At 12:59 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote: > > >leased state land still is public access > > > > > >--- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > AFAIK, there is very little BLM land near > Petrified > > > Forest NM. It is a > > > checkerboard of state and private holdings, with > a > > > few BLM sections east of > > > Woodruff (the ones on the Little Colorado are > worth > > > exploring, but i didn't > > > find anything there 2 years ago). Furthermore > all > > > the state trust land > > > (again, that I know of) is leased to the > ranchers, > > > and they control access. > > > Walking up that gravel bar off of the road > > > right-of-way almost surely put > > > you on private property, or leased state land. > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From entropydave at ntlworld.com Sun Jun 5 08:49:50 2005 From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:50:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list Message-ID: <42A31F1E.000012.00560@D500> Hi, Any idea if there is a list that one can sell specimens on? I got a few nice specimens that I may want to part with, but I also knwo that some of these lists do not like ads on them so rather than offer on a list that might be annoyed, I'd thought I'd ask first!!! best dave harris IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 5 10:11:48 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 5 10:02:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> Try this simplified and slightly modified Streckeisen diagram... Mafics < 90 quartz /\ / \ / 1 \ 60/______\ / | \ / 2a |2b \ 20/_______|____\ / | | \ alkali feldspar/ 3a | 3b | 4a \plagioclase feldspar \ |35 |65 / 10\___|____|_____/ \ |50 / \ 3c | 4b / \ | / \__|___/ \ / \5a/ \/ foids Mafics > 90 == 5b Plutonic Volcanic ================================= =============================== 1 Quartzoite Family 2 Granite Family Rhyolite Family a granite a rhyolite b granodiorite b dacite 3 Syenite Family Trachyte Family a syenite a trachyte b monzonite b latite c foyaite c phonolite 4 Diorite/Gabbro Family Andesite/Basalt Family a diorite and gabbro a andesite and basalt b essexite b tephrite 5 Peridote Family Picrite Family a foidolite b foidite b ultramafic rocks b ultramafic rocks tango juli wrote: > > Pete-- > this is a great cheat sheet that I need to laminate > :)! so it is the sodium content that determines type? > I was surprised about the sanidine/rhyolite link as I > remember reading that sanidine occurs in xls near > where we found an andesite outcrop. I will have to > check my reference samples to tell the diff between > andesine and sanidine. > I keep promising myself that when I done with this > phase of my life, I can take the time out to study > petrology and memorize that Streckeisen(sp?) diagram! > One last question--can I assume that based on your > cheat sheet below, that if I find opal, it is in > rhyolite? Or opal is secondary mineralization, isn't > it, so that answers my question I suppose. > Thanks again, > tina > nospamnospamnospam > > From: "Peter J. Modreski" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava types (was pillow > basalts) > > Tina, > > You've certainly got it right, that you can't tell a > lava by its color; > the > colors and shades vary a great deal; though if it's > jet black it's > probably > basalt (unless obsidian, of course), and if it's white > it's probably > rhyolite (though dacites can be quite white too); but > gray, green, red > shades--can be almost anything. > > But to offer a partial answer to, > > > Is there a better > > field id method for identifying different > extrusives? > > one other guide can be the identity of the > phenocrysts--if there are > any to > see, and if you can distinguish between the different > minerals--sometimes > easy, sometimes not (without having a petrographic > thin section). But > a > general guide would be: > > basalt: pyroxene (augite) and plagioclase feldspar > (labradorite) > > andesite: hornblende, sometimes pyroxene, plagioclase > feldspar > (andesine) > > dacite: hornblende, sometimes biotite, rarely > pyroxene, assorted > feldspar > (that's my cop-out answer for not know more exactly > what to specify) > > rhyolite: biotite, sanidine feldspar, quartz > (bipyramidal; beta-quartz) > > I know that in practice, in the field, this may not be > easy to apply, > but in > some cases it may help. And now of course, there are > other types of > lava > too, other "intermediate" types, such as latite, > trachyte, phonolite, > etc., > because the balance between plagioclase, alkali > feldspar, and quartz > varies, > because magmas don't lie on one single, simple linear > trend between > basalt > and rhyolite. (Nothing's simple in geology, and there > are always > exceptions!) > > Pete From afox at drizzle.com Sun Jun 5 10:14:49 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Jun 5 10:14:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land access In-Reply-To: <000001c569e2$28d3ed30$bee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: This would be a good addition to the FAQ.... a. > > A few more comments to build upon Don's information: > > It's not uncommon to see as many as 10 locks on one gate in our western > states -- that's how the federal management agencies (mostly BLM and Forest > Service), the folks who lease federal land, and the folks who own private > land, control who has access to any particular area. For example, I could > have keys to gates A, B, and C, and you could have keys to gates A, C, D, > and H. It's a simple and effective system. > > Many folks who spend a lot of time in the field carry heavy-duty bolt > cutters and a spare lock or two with them, as Don said. There are multiple > reasons for this. (1) You may pass through an open gate at the beginning of > the day and find it closed and locked when you return. (2) You may find > that a lessee of public land has gated and locked a public road, illegally > denying access by other users of that public land. (3) You may get lost and > have to go out a different way than originally intended. Regardless, you > will do no harm if you shear a LINK OF THE CHAIN instead of one of the > locks, and replace the broken link with a lock of your own. There is no > need to leave a key to that lock, or a note: the new lock merely replaces a > link in the chain and need never be opened. No harm, no foul. This is part > of the rural ethic in the West, and it was drummed into me during my first > days in the USGS. > > Another part of this: leave everything as you found it. If a gate was open > when you drove through, leave it open. If it was closed, even illegally, > close it again. That way no lessee or private landholder can complain that > his cattle were lost because of some jerk leaving a gate open, or closing a > gate when it was intended to be open. The only exception to this is when > you see an open gate next to a busy highway and the cattle are leaking out. > In this case it's best to close the gate and immediately search out the land > owner. Do NOT simply close the gate and leave. > > Still another item: Don't drive on dirt roads that are still so wet that > you leave deep ruts in them. Even if it's the only day you've had for > collecting in months, stay off those roads -- you don't have the right to > create such damage to public-access routes. This is just another part of > not being a jerk. > > The BLM and Forest Service are quite aware of the competing interests, > frayed feelings, and legal complexities of having a parcel of public land > surrounded by private land. In general the property rights of the private > landowner trump those of the public because you have to trespass to gain > access to the public land. The BLM and Forest Service routinely work to > eliminate such problems by, say, offering land exchanges to the private > landowner so an access corridor can be opened to the public land in exchange > for another parcel of land. Because this can result in a win-win situation > it's the obvious route to go, but these negotiations take time, and they're > a perennial back-burner item because there are usually more pressing issues > to tend to. > > All or nearly all local BLM and Forest Service offices maintain a supply of > land ownership and land access maps, so there is no reason for anyone not to > know where the private lands are when out collecting. These maps may be > slightly out-of-date as land exchanges take place, but if you are caught > trespassing and can show the rancher or judge that your map shows the land > as public, you will generally receive no penalty because you were acting > under good faith. > > Cheers- Earl > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:18 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > > > Wow, I didn't expect all those responses. Obviously I left a bit too > much unsaid, or to the imagination, when I posted my comment. To > clarify a few points: > > 1. I was only talking specifically about federal BLM land, where it is > legal to collect. > > 2. I didn't mean that people should pass through private property. > That is a separate issue, and as someone else pointed out, that is best > handled through the legal systems. The city, state, and BLM may or may > not be of help, and then it is someone's choice if they feel that a > private citizen blocking access to public lands constitutes unlawful > restraint and they have the fundamental right to cross that private land > to access public land. In any case, I have seen instances in the BLM > areas surrounding Phoenix where a number of BLM parcels were under lease > or claim, and there was an elaborate system of multiple chains and locks > for which all the involved parties had keys so they could get back to > their area. Reportedly the penalty for putting a new lock and not > giving a copy of the key to the other parties was to have the lock cut > and replaced, as described earlier. When I saw the bolt cutter, chain, > and locks in my friend's truck, I knew this wasn't just a joke. I also > heard this from someone who worked for the BLM in Nevada--apparently the > BLM employees themselves follow this practice. > > > > Desert Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 11:17:55 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:17:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list In-Reply-To: <42A31F1E.000012.00560@D500> References: <42A31F1E.000012.00560@D500> Message-ID: There are some at WWW.YahooGroups.com, including roughforsale and Mineral Collecting. On Mineral Collecting one commercial post is allowed every month. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA On 6/5/05, Dave Harris wrote: > Hi, > Any idea if there is a list that one can sell specimens on? I got a few > nice specimens that I may want to part with, but I also knwo that some of > these lists do not like ads on them so rather than offer on a list that > might be annoyed, I'd thought I'd ask first!!! > > best > dave harris > IMCA #0092 > Sec.BIMS > www.bimsociety.org > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From hammerron at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 11:32:09 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:32:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050605183209.66374.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Dave: I moderate a yahoo group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rockhoundsclub/ And can say we don't mind an occaisional ad (and its good to denote it in the subject. Example: AD:Minerals for sale And am I wrong, I thought this drizzle list allowed same? Am I correct? -Ron Grant Johnston wrote: There are some at WWW.YahooGroups.com, including roughforsale and Mineral Collecting. On Mineral Collecting one commercial post is allowed every month. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA On 6/5/05, Dave Harris wrote: > Hi, > Any idea if there is a list that one can sell specimens on? I got a few > nice specimens that I may want to part with, but I also knwo that some of > these lists do not like ads on them so rather than offer on a list that > might be annoyed, I'd thought I'd ask first!!! > > best > dave harris > IMCA #0092 > Sec.BIMS > www.bimsociety.org > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 11:33:08 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:33:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: References: <1117958478.4891.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I was told that problem of constantly updating drivers was solved in XP. Instead of changing drivers, XP changes back to an older version of Windows. I've never tried it but the person who told me was under 21 so it is likely he knows what he is talking about. Try clicking 'Start,' then under 'Accessories' click on "Program Compatability Wizzard." Grant W Johnston, Chico, CA On 6/5/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Thanks John, but I don't think that the TWAIN drivers that NIKON provided > work under XP. They were designed for Win95/98 an Nikon refuses to upgrade > them. From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 5 11:46:04 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:40:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list In-Reply-To: <20050605183209.66374.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050605183209.66374.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A3486C.9090103@att.net> The Hammer wrote: > > And can say we don't mind an occaisional ad (and its good to denote it in the subject. Example: AD:Minerals for sale > > And am I wrong, I thought this drizzle list allowed same? Am I correct? That is true! From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 5 11:44:05 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:41:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> Kreigh; It's been a long time since I studied Petrology, but what happened to Diabase?Is it no longer an acceptable term? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > Try this simplified and slightly modified Streckeisen diagram... > > > Mafics < 90 > > quartz > /\ > / \ > / 1 \ > 60/______\ > / | \ > / 2a |2b \ > 20/_______|____\ > / | | \ > alkali feldspar/ 3a | 3b | 4a \plagioclase feldspar > \ |35 |65 / > 10\___|____|_____/ > \ |50 / > \ 3c | 4b / > \ | / > \__|___/ > \ / > \5a/ > \/ > foids > > Mafics > 90 == 5b > > > Plutonic Volcanic > ================================= =============================== > 1 Quartzoite Family > > 2 Granite Family Rhyolite Family > a granite a rhyolite > b granodiorite b dacite > > 3 Syenite Family Trachyte Family > a syenite a trachyte > b monzonite b latite > c foyaite c phonolite > > 4 Diorite/Gabbro Family Andesite/Basalt Family > a diorite and gabbro a andesite and basalt > b essexite b tephrite > > 5 Peridote Family Picrite Family > a foidolite b foidite > b ultramafic rocks b ultramafic rocks > > > > > > tango juli wrote: > > > > Pete-- > > this is a great cheat sheet that I need to laminate > > :)! so it is the sodium content that determines type? > > I was surprised about the sanidine/rhyolite link as I > > remember reading that sanidine occurs in xls near > > where we found an andesite outcrop. I will have to > > check my reference samples to tell the diff between > > andesine and sanidine. > > I keep promising myself that when I done with this > > phase of my life, I can take the time out to study > > petrology and memorize that Streckeisen(sp?) diagram! > > One last question--can I assume that based on your > > cheat sheet below, that if I find opal, it is in > > rhyolite? Or opal is secondary mineralization, isn't > > it, so that answers my question I suppose. > > Thanks again, > > tina > > nospamnospamnospam > > > > From: "Peter J. Modreski" > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava types (was pillow > > basalts) > > > > Tina, > > > > You've certainly got it right, that you can't tell a > > lava by its color; > > the > > colors and shades vary a great deal; though if it's > > jet black it's > > probably > > basalt (unless obsidian, of course), and if it's white > > it's probably > > rhyolite (though dacites can be quite white too); but > > gray, green, red > > shades--can be almost anything. > > > > But to offer a partial answer to, > > > > > Is there a better > > > field id method for identifying different > > extrusives? > > > > one other guide can be the identity of the > > phenocrysts--if there are > > any to > > see, and if you can distinguish between the different > > minerals--sometimes > > easy, sometimes not (without having a petrographic > > thin section). But > > a > > general guide would be: > > > > basalt: pyroxene (augite) and plagioclase feldspar > > (labradorite) > > > > andesite: hornblende, sometimes pyroxene, plagioclase > > feldspar > > (andesine) > > > > dacite: hornblende, sometimes biotite, rarely > > pyroxene, assorted > > feldspar > > (that's my cop-out answer for not know more exactly > > what to specify) > > > > rhyolite: biotite, sanidine feldspar, quartz > > (bipyramidal; beta-quartz) > > > > I know that in practice, in the field, this may not be > > easy to apply, > > but in > > some cases it may help. And now of course, there are > > other types of > > lava > > too, other "intermediate" types, such as latite, > > trachyte, phonolite, > > etc., > > because the balance between plagioclase, alkali > > feldspar, and quartz > > varies, > > because magmas don't lie on one single, simple linear > > trend between > > basalt > > and rhyolite. (Nothing's simple in geology, and there > > are always > > exceptions!) > > > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 11:41:40 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:41:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dinosaurs are like birds -- and we can now tell their sex from their bones In-Reply-To: <4071d9307295d33a1e33e056ab94b903@cox.net> References: <42A12139.1248@Tomaszewski.net> <4071d9307295d33a1e33e056ab94b903@cox.net> Message-ID: But it was a great link! I spent about 2 hours just clicking the "Related Stories" links on that site. On 6/4/05, Teresa Masters wrote: > Kreigh, > Seems your message was delegated to "junk mail" most likely due to the > work "Sex" in the header. > Hugs and smiles > Terrie > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From afox at drizzle.com Sun Jun 5 12:03:33 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:03:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list In-Reply-To: <20050605183209.66374.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are correct. The guideline has been a maximum of 2-3 'commerical' postings a month, but most members are happier with none, to maybe an occasional one a month. Aaron Fox Rockhounds Admin > Dave: > > I moderate a yahoo group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rockhoundsclub/ > And can say we don't mind an occaisional ad (and its good to denote it in the subject. Example: AD:Minerals for sale > > And am I wrong, I thought this drizzle list allowed same? Am I correct? > > -Ron > > > > Grant Johnston wrote: > There are some at WWW.YahooGroups.com, including roughforsale and > Mineral Collecting. On Mineral Collecting one commercial post is > allowed every month. > > Grant Johnston, Chico, CA > > On 6/5/05, Dave Harris wrote: > > Hi, > > Any idea if there is a list that one can sell specimens on? I got a few > > nice specimens that I may want to part with, but I also knwo that some of > > these lists do not like ads on them so rather than offer on a list that > > might be annoyed, I'd thought I'd ask first!!! > > > > best > > dave harris > > IMCA #0092 > > Sec.BIMS > > www.bimsociety.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 5 12:22:14 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:13:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list References: <42A31F1E.000012.00560@D500> Message-ID: <42A34EB9.4686@Tomaszewski.net> Dave Harris wrote: > > Hi, > Any idea if there is a list that one can sell specimens on? I got a few > nice specimens that I may want to part with, but I also knwo that some of > these lists do not like ads on them so rather than offer on a list that > might be annoyed, I'd thought I'd ask first!!! > > best > dave harris > IMCA #0092 > Sec.BIMS > www.bimsociety.org Dave, If you look at the acceptable uses for the list at http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds/laup.html you will find... 3) Advertisements: Advertisements are allowed, on a limited basis. However, we ask that your advertisement be directly related to rockhounding, lapidary work, mineralogy, etc. Examples of 'acceptable' advertisings would be, but not limited to: * Website / show / mine / product / trip announcements * Brief auction annoucments and listings * For Sale, Wanted type ads (rockhounding-related) Currently, this is a unmoderated list, with postings limited to subscribers only. If you would like to post a rockhounding-related ad, please use the following snippet in your subject line: [AD] (your subject here) This will ensure that subscribers that do not wish to see the ads can filter or delete them. In addition, please limit your commercial postings to 2 or 3 a month. Violaters will be warned once (1 time), bounced for a week on the second offense (2nd time), and banned upon the third offense. Unsolicited Commercial Emails (UCE) not related to rockhounding will not be tolerated (see below). From hammerron at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 12:13:12 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:13:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sellers list In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050605191312.18264.qmail@web81401.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for clarifying Aaron, Don -Ron Aaron Fox wrote: You are correct. The guideline has been a maximum of 2-3 'commerical' postings a month, but most members are happier with none, to maybe an occasional one a month. Aaron Fox Rockhounds Admin > Dave: > > I moderate a yahoo group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rockhoundsclub/ > And can say we don't mind an occaisional ad (and its good to denote it in the subject. Example: AD:Minerals for sale > > And am I wrong, I thought this drizzle list allowed same? Am I correct? > > -Ron > > > > Grant Johnston wrote: > There are some at WWW.YahooGroups.com, including roughforsale and > Mineral Collecting. On Mineral Collecting one commercial post is > allowed every month. > > Grant Johnston, Chico, CA > > On 6/5/05, Dave Harris wrote: > > Hi, > > Any idea if there is a list that one can sell specimens on? I got a few > > nice specimens that I may want to part with, but I also knwo that some of > > these lists do not like ads on them so rather than offer on a list that > > might be annoyed, I'd thought I'd ask first!!! > > > > best > > dave harris > > IMCA #0092 > > Sec.BIMS > > www.bimsociety.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 12:14:49 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:14:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digital Photography of mineral specimens Message-ID: <20050605191449.54309.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: Forgot to mention that there is an excellent article on mineral photography by John Betts at his commercial site: http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles.htm There are other interesting articles on lighting, cataloging, etc. I've been scanning old family photos with our new Canon Canoscan8400F and it seems to be quite satisfactory for that purpose, mostly at 600 pixels per inch. I'll be doing slides and film later and will let you know how it does at that. JR in WV __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From silicawood at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 12:33:00 2005 From: silicawood at gmail.com (Rockhoundnut) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:33:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show Announcement: Puyallup, WA - USA Message-ID: <54d4a88f050605123361291dd9@mail.gmail.com> Hi all - just wanted to let you know (a little late - sorry). If you are near South Hill this afternoon, the puyallup valley R@G club is having their annual show at the Fruitland Grange hall. We stopped in - a nice show they put on. Met the oweners of the Jade Drive rock shop there. Of course I had to do the silent auction - won a nice limb cast for a dollar! A nice club that someday I will join since I live near there. Brian From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 5 12:30:39 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:46:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <1117958478.4891.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <001f01c56a07$34d707f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> > of Windows. I've never tried it but the person who told me was under > 21 so it is likely he knows what he is talking about. Could also be young enough to retain a touching faith that what Microsoft says is true... Ah, bless. From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 12:52:42 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:52:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <001f01c56a07$34d707f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> References: <1117958478.4891.3.camel@localhost> <001f01c56a07$34d707f0$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: The compatibility mode works well, MS actually coded in hundreds of hacks to make old software work. If you create a shortcut for the program, just right click on it and you'll see a compatibility tab. BK On 6/5/05, Mick Cooper wrote: > > of Windows. I've never tried it but the person who told me was under > > 21 so it is likely he knows what he is talking about. > > Could also be young enough to retain a touching faith that what Microsoft > says is true... Ah, bless. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Sun Jun 5 13:20:44 2005 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Sun Jun 5 13:21:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603103542.026e6648@mail.spiritone.com> <20050603195934.14611.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050603164042.02ad0468@mail.spiritone.com> <42A20689.3060507@att.net><6.2.1.2.2.20050604204625.02973330@mail.spiritone.com> <42A30989.5040709@att.net> Message-ID: <002c01c56a0c$15e1f990$675fe842@Titans> Hello Don, I was wondering if there is a cost to a person that goes to court over such an issue of Right of way ? If so can anyone on this list tell me how much it is ? I suppose its easy, all one has to do is sign papers and it goes to court then and no more of a persons time will be required ? How long does it take in court to get the job done ? Has anyone ever been shot when going through one of these locked gates or trespassing anyone has heard about ? Thanks all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > > Wow, I didn't expect all those responses. Obviously I left a bit too much > unsaid, or to the imagination, when I posted my comment. To clarify a few > points: > > 1. I was only talking specifically about federal BLM land, where it is > legal to collect. > > 2. I didn't mean that people should pass through private property. That > is a separate issue, and as someone else pointed out, that is best handled > through the legal systems. The city, state, and BLM may or may not be of > help, and then it is someone's choice if they feel that a private citizen > blocking access to public lands constitutes unlawful restraint and they > have the fundamental right to cross that private land to access public > land. In any case, I have seen instances in the BLM areas surrounding > Phoenix where a number of BLM parcels were under lease or claim, and there > was an elaborate system of multiple chains and locks for which all the > involved parties had keys so they could get back to their area. > Reportedly the penalty for putting a new lock and not giving a copy of the > key to the other parties was to have the lock cut and replaced, as > described earlier. When I saw the bolt cutter, chain, and locks in my > friend's truck, I knew this wasn't just a joke. I also heard this from > someone who worked for the BLM in Nevada--apparently the BLM employees > themselves follow this practice. > > > > Desert Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 13:49:12 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Jun 5 13:49:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scanner device driver recommendation Message-ID: <20050605204912.87414.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> HI: Would whoever recently made a recommendation regarding a special device driver for scanners please send me that information off list. I woulda swore I saved that msg but... Thanks, JR __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From MinPhoto at aol.com Sun Jun 5 14:09:31 2005 From: MinPhoto at aol.com (MinPhoto@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 5 14:09:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion Message-ID: Rock get the highest resolution with the widest dynamic range you can afford, best to go with a dedicated slide scanner. Slides contain more information than a low-resolution scanner can provide Jeff Weissman Photographic Guide to Mineral Species - Excalibur Mineral --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hkrocke at netscape.ca Sun Jun 5 14:35:25 2005 From: hkrocke at netscape.ca (hkrocke) Date: Sun Jun 5 14:36:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Emory Creek (Nickel Silicate) In-Reply-To: <20050528234147.8385137D45@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: > So here I am off to a locality known as emmory creek, for those who > want to know its near Yale BC and just ten mins out of Hope. Its a > small creek that empties into the Fraser river, nice country great > views blah blah blah. > > I was looking for nickel silicate, supposedly occurs there since it > would go to figure that the nickel mine is just up the mountain a > little. WEll off to find the rocks, hint I was given look for yellow > rust coloured rocks (for the American audience yes we Canadians spell > colour with a u not just the O) hehhe. Up I went the creek down I > went the creek as I stumbled. Search hi and search low what did I > find??? nothing............ > _______________________________________________ If you would have contacted me first, I would have shown you where the Garnierite (Nickel Silicate) is. I have collected lots. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 15:38:48 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Jun 5 15:38:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050605223848.8827.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> It was when trying to install the software. The software itself said it needed Win 95 or 98. Jim --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Did you get the error message when installing the > software or when > trying to run it after installation? If the latter > Win XP and I think > Win 2K can emulate Win95/98 > > BK > > On 6/5/05, Jim Daly wrote: > > Sounds like a similar problem I have. I use the > Kodak > > MDS 100 camera on my 'scope. It plugs into my > computer > > with a USB cable. I'm running Windows 98, and have > no > > problems (at least no compatibility problems). I > > recently bought a laptop with Windows 200 > installed. > > I'd like to be able to hook the MDS 100 to the > laptop, > > then jack the laptop into the projection system in > the > > meeting room our club uses, so as to project > whatever > > is under the 'scope directly onto the screen. > > Unfortunately, the MDS is no longer supported by > > Kodak, and It won't work with Windows 2000. When I > > tried to install the MDS software onto the laptop > I > > got a message that I had to have 95 or 98. > > Jim Daly > > > > --- john wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 12:47 +0200, Axel > Emmermann > > > wrote: > > > > > -a Nikon Coolscan LS20E. Nikon failed to > update > > > the drivers for it and it > > > > > will work only on a SCSI port that is in an > ISA > > > slot. I will NEVER buy a > > > > > NIKON scanner again. I'd have to throw it > away > > > when I buy a more modern > > > > > computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Try using a pci scsi card (like the adaptec > > > 2940) and a TWAIN driver. > > > > >>That usually works. It is a good way to > recover > > > the HP scanners that > > > > >>came with a proprietary card. > > > > > > > > Thanks John, but I don't think that the TWAIN > > > drivers that NIKON provided > > > > work under XP. They were designed for Win95/98 > an > > > Nikon refuses to upgrade > > > > them. I called the dealer and he confirmed > that > > > other SCSI cards won't work. > > > > If there are any drivers for the LS20E that > work > > > under XP, I sure couldn't > > > > find them ;-))) > > > > Maybe I try the Adaptec 2940 if I found he > twain > > > drivers... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > Hmmm...since the engine is almost certainly a > canon, > > > it might be useful > > > to try either the generic Microsoft driver or > one > > > from HP. Perhaps there > > > is a generic driver in Windows 2000 that would > work > > > under XP also. > > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From davisj at earthlink.net Sun Jun 5 15:46:27 2005 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Sun Jun 5 15:46:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Burro Creek Access In-Reply-To: <003301c5699b$4d3e67f0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: Than From davisj at earthlink.net Sun Jun 5 15:51:31 2005 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Sun Jun 5 15:51:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Burro Creek Access In-Reply-To: <003301c5699b$4d3e67f0$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: Thanks John. I was down S. Wash the first week of April as far as you could get in a vehicle and then hiked another 1/2 mile. By map it looked like I was about a mile from Burro Creek. Joe Davis From petersosso at earthlink.net Sun Jun 5 15:55:35 2005 From: petersosso at earthlink.net (Peter Sosso) Date: Sun Jun 5 15:55:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member Message-ID: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> Just a bit about myself: I was a casual rockhound from birth, but have been seriously born again after taking my son to a public mine in Amelia, Virginia three years ago to dig up amazonite, kyanite, amethyst, citrine, pyrite, and garnets. (Oh! the garnets.) I am now located in the most geologically boring section of the United States, but occasionally find citrine, stone tools, and amethyst sand when panning for gold or walking the back 40. Nice list, thanks for keeping it open. Peter Sosso --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 5 14:01:43 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 5 16:02:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> Message-ID: <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Peter, Welcome to the list. Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United States?" John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Sosso" > Just a bit about myself: > > I was a casual rockhound from birth, but have been seriously born again > after taking my son to a public mine in Amelia, Virginia three years ago > to dig up amazonite, kyanite, amethyst, citrine, pyrite, and garnets. > (Oh! the garnets.) I am now located in the most geologically boring > section of the United States, but occasionally find citrine, stone > tools, and amethyst sand when panning for gold or walking the back 40. > > Nice list, thanks for keeping it open. > > Peter Sosso > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From petersosso at earthlink.net Sun Jun 5 16:18:32 2005 From: petersosso at earthlink.net (Peter Sosso) Date: Sun Jun 5 16:18:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <000001c56a24$e5cf6b70$57e91a3f@chew2> John, North Central Iowa - Anything interesting here was dragged from somewhere else in the last ice age. I prefer the coasts. -Peter -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John Siebel Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:02 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member Hi Peter, Welcome to the list. Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United States?" John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 5 16:30:16 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 5 16:20:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> Larry, I'm certainly not an expert at petrology, but it seems to me that the use of the term is declining, probably due to lack of a clear definition -- or maybe because there are too many definitions and common uses. I have recently seen diabase defined as a cooling sequence where the feldspar hardens first, as a specific form of weathering, as both 'greened' basalt and gabbro, as a specific type of dyke, defined by its grain size (between gabbro and basalt), as a weathered form of dolerite, as a synonym of dolerite, and as a type of aggregate. We need someone who has studied Petrology recently to help. Kreigh Lawrence Rush wrote: > > Kreigh; It's been a long time since I studied Petrology, but what happened > to Diabase?Is it no longer an acceptable term? > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > > > Try this simplified and slightly modified Streckeisen diagram... > > > > > > Mafics < 90 > > > > quartz > > /\ > > / \ > > / 1 \ > > 60/______\ > > / | \ > > / 2a |2b \ > > 20/_______|____\ > > / | | \ > > alkali feldspar/ 3a | 3b | 4a \plagioclase feldspar > > \ |35 |65 / > > 10\___|____|_____/ > > \ |50 / > > \ 3c | 4b / > > \ | / > > \__|___/ > > \ / > > \5a/ > > \/ > > foids > > > > Mafics > 90 == 5b > > > > > > Plutonic Volcanic > > ================================= =============================== > > 1 Quartzoite Family > > > > 2 Granite Family Rhyolite Family > > a granite a rhyolite > > b granodiorite b dacite > > > > 3 Syenite Family Trachyte Family > > a syenite a trachyte > > b monzonite b latite > > c foyaite c phonolite > > > > 4 Diorite/Gabbro Family Andesite/Basalt Family > > a diorite and gabbro a andesite and basalt > > b essexite b tephrite > > > > 5 Peridote Family Picrite Family > > a foidolite b foidite > > b ultramafic rocks b ultramafic rocks > > > > > > > > > > > > tango juli wrote: > > > > > > Pete-- > > > this is a great cheat sheet that I need to laminate > > > :)! so it is the sodium content that determines type? > > > I was surprised about the sanidine/rhyolite link as I > > > remember reading that sanidine occurs in xls near > > > where we found an andesite outcrop. I will have to > > > check my reference samples to tell the diff between > > > andesine and sanidine. > > > I keep promising myself that when I done with this > > > phase of my life, I can take the time out to study > > > petrology and memorize that Streckeisen(sp?) diagram! > > > One last question--can I assume that based on your > > > cheat sheet below, that if I find opal, it is in > > > rhyolite? Or opal is secondary mineralization, isn't > > > it, so that answers my question I suppose. > > > Thanks again, > > > tina > > > nospamnospamnospam > > > > > > From: "Peter J. Modreski" > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava types (was pillow > > > basalts) > > > > > > Tina, > > > > > > You've certainly got it right, that you can't tell a > > > lava by its color; > > > the > > > colors and shades vary a great deal; though if it's > > > jet black it's > > > probably > > > basalt (unless obsidian, of course), and if it's white > > > it's probably > > > rhyolite (though dacites can be quite white too); but > > > gray, green, red > > > shades--can be almost anything. > > > > > > But to offer a partial answer to, > > > > > > > Is there a better > > > > field id method for identifying different > > > extrusives? > > > > > > one other guide can be the identity of the > > > phenocrysts--if there are > > > any to > > > see, and if you can distinguish between the different > > > minerals--sometimes > > > easy, sometimes not (without having a petrographic > > > thin section). But > > > a > > > general guide would be: > > > > > > basalt: pyroxene (augite) and plagioclase feldspar > > > (labradorite) > > > > > > andesite: hornblende, sometimes pyroxene, plagioclase > > > feldspar > > > (andesine) > > > > > > dacite: hornblende, sometimes biotite, rarely > > > pyroxene, assorted > > > feldspar > > > (that's my cop-out answer for not know more exactly > > > what to specify) > > > > > > rhyolite: biotite, sanidine feldspar, quartz > > > (bipyramidal; beta-quartz) > > > > > > I know that in practice, in the field, this may not be > > > easy to apply, > > > but in > > > some cases it may help. And now of course, there are > > > other types of > > > lava > > > too, other "intermediate" types, such as latite, > > > trachyte, phonolite, > > > etc., > > > because the balance between plagioclase, alkali > > > feldspar, and quartz > > > varies, > > > because magmas don't lie on one single, simple linear > > > trend between > > > basalt > > > and rhyolite. (Nothing's simple in geology, and there > > > are always > > > exceptions!) > > > > > > Pete From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 5 14:31:13 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 5 16:32:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member References: <000001c56a24$e5cf6b70$57e91a3f@chew2> Message-ID: <003a01c56a15$eb3b0ba0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Peter, Well I guess you're as far as you can get from either coast. But I cut my rockhounding teeth highgrading the gravel in my sister's driveway in Ames, Iowa. Sounds like you're ready for a road trip! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Sosso" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New List Member > John, > > North Central Iowa - Anything interesting here was dragged from > somewhere else in the last ice age. I prefer the coasts. > > -Peter From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Jun 5 16:36:55 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Jun 5 16:38:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <000001c56a24$e5cf6b70$57e91a3f@chew2> Message-ID: Peter, Welcome to a great list. I thought south Alabama was a very poor locale for minerals til I joined the local Mobile Rock & Gem Society. We are on the northern gulf coast well below the fall line that crosses central Alabama. But the club members have shown us several great fossil and mineral sites in L.A. (Lower Alabama) And the members of this list are very knowlwdgeable and friendly. They are even patient with new rock pups like me. My wife and I just got home from a terrific trip which included a western Utah collecting trip with 2 folks we met on this list and the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, plus a visit to the USGS facility in Denver with another very knowledgeable list aquaitance who went overboard to give us the red carpet treatment there. I'd bet there is a local club in that area, and I'm sure some members of this list can provide lots of collecting tips! Glenn Wimpee >From: "Peter Sosso" <petersosso@earthlink.net> >Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:18:32 -0500 > >John, > >North Central Iowa - Anything interesting here was dragged from >somewhere else in the last ice age. I prefer the coasts. > >-Peter > >-----Original Message----- >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John Siebel > >Hi Peter, > >Welcome to the list. > >Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United >States?" > >John > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail and documents on your PC instantly with the new MSN Search Toolbar–FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 5 16:52:33 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 5 16:46:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types In-Reply-To: <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <42A39041.3020005@att.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >specific type of dyke, Dude! Check that one. I think you meant "dike." Didactic Don From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 17:11:05 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 5 17:11:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] screen for sunstones? Message-ID: Hello, I'm thinking of going up to Plush, Oregon to look for sunstones. I've heard that you shovel the overburden through a screen to screen out sunstones. I didn't hear what size, or sizes, were used. I also don't have any idea what type of soil (or sand) exist around there. However, it sounds similar to what I did at Topaz Mountain. That area is really sandy and the topaz crystals are small. Also, when I was sniping for gold I used a large screen to get the bigger gravel out before panning. Any suggestions on what size screen works on the sunstone overburden? Grant Johnston, Chico, CA From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 5 18:09:02 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Jun 5 17:55:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com><42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002201c56a34$5a2a6a60$45a5490c@pete> Kreigh & Larry & List, I'll take a stab at this one. The simple answer is just that diabase means basalt magma that cooled at a moderate rate, neither real fast (basalt lava) nor very slow (gabbro, an intrusive rock). Diabase cooled in between, and rock of this medium-grained texture is usually found in dikes and in near-surface sills, or within very thick lava flows. Therefore, the term "diabase" doesn't appear in rock charts based on composition, because it's superfluous; the composition is still just basalt. It gets more confusing because the British (ah, those Brits) use the term a little different than "we" do. To American petrologists, the term "dolerite" is a synonym for diabase. However, in the U.K., the word diabase is traditionally used only for altered (chemically altered or weathered, not fresh) rock, whereas they use "dolerite" specifically for fresh rock of what we call diabase. I think I said this right! And I also read in the Glossary of Geology that in Germany (heaven help us), "diabase" is traditionally used still differently, there specifically for older basalt, of pre-Tertiary age. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > Larry, > > I'm certainly not an expert at petrology, but it seems to me that the > use of the term is declining, probably due to lack of a clear definition > -- or maybe because there are too many definitions and common uses. I > have recently seen diabase defined as a cooling sequence where the > feldspar hardens first, as a specific form of weathering, as both > 'greened' basalt and gabbro, as a specific type of dyke, defined by its > grain size (between gabbro and basalt), as a weathered form of dolerite, > as a synonym of dolerite, and as a type of aggregate. We need someone > who has studied Petrology recently to help. > > Kreigh > > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 5 18:10:10 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Jun 5 17:56:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com><42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002601c56a34$7dc91160$45a5490c@pete> and P.S., I meant to add also, the Brits traditionally spell dike, "dyke"! Pete again From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 5 18:17:50 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 5 18:07:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <42A39041.3020005@att.net> Message-ID: <42A3A1DE.10B6@Tomaszewski.net> Don H wrote: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > >specific type of dyke, > > Dude! Check that one. I think you meant "dike." > > Didactic Don The literature is full of references to a 'volcanic dyke' of some sort or other; it appears to be a European variation of the American 'volcanic dike'. Search them on Google and you get within a couple thousand of having the same number of hits (40,800 'volcanic dyke' vs 42,900 'volcanic dike'). It may seem a little queer, but I think both are acceptable in this context. ;-} Kreigh From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 5 18:30:17 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 5 18:24:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types In-Reply-To: <42A3A1DE.10B6@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <42A39041.3020005@att.net> <42A3A1DE.10B6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <42A3A729.4060600@att.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: It may seem a little queer, but I think both > are acceptable in this context. ;-} "Not that there's anything wrong with that." -- Seinfeld I was only half-serious. I didn't know if that was a typo or an archaic reference. But on the other hand, despite references in the world-wide literature and historical precedent, I would imagine the preferred American spelling for that type of formation, especially these days, has the "i". Maybe I'm wrong. Don From kadok at infowest.com Sun Jun 5 19:14:22 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:14:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <01e801c5694b$6c5f0f40$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <20050606021412.0C4A8A101F@marbella.infowest.com> Hi, Rock, I've been wondering what to get --! Have been waiting lo these many years for the quality of the dedicated slide scanners -- as well as the cameras -- to get up to professional quality. I (used to) do lots of 16X20s from my Leica Kodachrome slides, and want something that will give me as good quality as the slides have. Haven't bought either, yet, but I think the time is about here -- !!! I think Axel's recommendation of the Microtek i900, and the sound reasoning behind it, sounds great, and that is what I am (presently) planning to get. On the other hand, your needs may be quite different from mine. There is no point in putting a lot of money into a scanner to get super quality reproduction of a slide, when the quality is not there in the slide. i.e.l How good are your camera and (especiallly) lenses? And, how big do you want the prints to be? If you just want 5X7s, or something that looks OK on the internet, then just about anything that is available nowadays should be fine. Margaret >Margaret or other photo gurus out there. Do you have any fealings about what kind of slide scanner you want to >use to scan you slides? I have about 40,000 + slides of mineral specimens and specimen localities I have taken over the years. Probably I would want to scan and store less than 10,000 of them, possibly less than 5,000. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Sun Jun 5 19:17:41 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:17:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <20050604211931.IGO22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20050606021730.D1F9EA100E@marbella.infowest.com> While it is true that BLM land is public land and we all have access, just try to tell that to the rancher who is standing there with a shotgun! The think that grazing land they leased is theirs ONLY, and can be really nasty about it! Margaret (from Utah) > > From: Tim Fisher > Date: 2005/06/03 Fri PM 07:43:15 EDT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities > > Technically, yes it is. In reality, the majority is behind locked gates, or > only accessible through private roads. Many, if not virtually all, of the > lessees treat it as their land, and will not allow access. BLM land is public land and you have access. If you are locked out, notify BLM. They will set the lessee straight. If there is a gate, open it. As a courtesy close it after you have gone thru. Hugh Hammerslag _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 5 19:39:40 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:29:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <42A39041.3020005@att.net> <42A3A1DE.10B6@Tomaszewski.net> <42A3A729.4060600@att.net> Message-ID: <42A3B500.3E83@Tomaszewski.net> Don H wrote: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > It may seem a little queer, but I think both > > are acceptable in this context. ;-} > > "Not that there's anything wrong with that." -- Seinfeld > > I was only half-serious. I didn't know if that was a typo or an archaic > reference. But on the other hand, despite references in the world-wide > literature and historical precedent, I would imagine the preferred > American spelling for that type of formation, especially these days, has > the "i". Maybe I'm wrong. > > Don Don, Actually, the reference was fairly contemporary, Walter Schumann's Handbood of Rocks, Minerals & Gemstones (1993 translation). I elected to leave it as published as I thought it helped the context. Dike and dyke are considered to be synonyms in most dictionaries (the 'i' varient seems to be slightly/somewhat preferred) in a volcanic context, and neither are considered archaic by most sources I have seen. More interesting, dike/dyke has a primary meaning of an earthen embankment to hold back water (and the 'y' varient seems preferred in this context). Funny how Geology took an older word and added a new meaning that seems to contrast the original one when applied to magma. I enjoy words, and having fun with them. If the Army Corp. of Engineers built an earthen embankment, with bulldozers, to divert a lava flow, would it be a 'dyke' or 'dike'? Does a 'lava tube' carry 'magma' or 'lava' from the caldera to where it emerges (miles away)? If it were buried in ash would it be considered to be a dike/dyke? Kreigh From mineral.maertens at att.net Sun Jun 5 19:44:46 2005 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:45:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pillow Lava & video In-Reply-To: <200506031959.j53JxlUT002281@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: See pillow formation at http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/04fire/background/volcanis m/media/pillow_lava_video.html I dig sometimes in the New Jersey Triassic pillow basalt. Mineralization happened over thousands of years with several generations. Calcite is usually young and later in mineralization. Pillow basalt is quite durable to erosion. Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From kadok at infowest.com Sun Jun 5 19:46:28 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:46:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050606024622.2434EA1020@marbella.infowest.com> What if one of us bought one and sent it to you as a "gift" (with you sneaking us a check later). Is there still VAT on that? Margaret >Why can't you mail order the $600 scanner from the US?? Can't cost THAT >much to mail it to Belgium. 21 % VAT and about the same import tax ;-)))) I once sent some slides of fluorescent minerals to the FMS for copying and distributing among the members. After the copies were made, they sent the slides back to me. The green slip (customs & insurance) said: "value: 90$" or something along those lines... I had to pay 36$ upon receipt! To get back what was mine already... Go figure ;-))) I'd have to make some careful calculations. Axel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Sun Jun 5 20:10:16 2005 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sun Jun 5 20:10:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old home week In-Reply-To: <20050518023522.60A213384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: While I live here is Portland now, I graduated from Thomas Jefferson Senior High in Auburn.  My hubby works up there 5 days a week.  Why we were up in Tacoma, Spanaway, Puyallup and Olympia all day Saturday! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon >From: "rain forest" <rainforest1950@lycos.com> > >I have already emailed Ron WInter as I work in Auburn. Nice friendly fellow has invited me along on some trips with him and friend (whoohoo!) Now Joe in Federal Way shows up! Makes me wonder how many more are here from King, Pierce counties and other close environs? Maybe we --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 5 18:31:06 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 5 20:32:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> <42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net><42A39041.3020005@att.net> <42A3A1DE.10B6@Tomaszewski.net><42A3A729.4060600@att.net> <42A3B500.3E83@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001f01c56a37$70414b40$6400a8c0@mshome.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > If the Army Corp. of Engineers built an earthen embankment, with > bulldozers, to divert a lava flow, would it be a 'dyke' or 'dike'? Wouldn't that come under the, "Don't ask don't tell" policy? John From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Jun 5 20:40:41 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Jun 5 20:39:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: Message-ID: <002a01c56a49$871ed9b0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Man, that sucks....as my grandson would say.... Having to pay for something that is already yours. What a ripoff! > 21 % VAT and about the same import tax ;-)))) > I once sent some slides of fluorescent minerals to the FMS for copying and > distributing among the members. After the copies were made, they sent the > slides back to me. The green slip (customs & insurance) said: "value: 90$" > or something along those lines... I had to pay 36$ upon receipt! To get > back > what was mine already... Go figure ;-))) > > I'd have to make some careful calculations. > From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Sun Jun 5 20:54:16 2005 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sun Jun 5 20:54:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: Does anyone know of a website for the Rockhound Pow wow in Madras Oregon over the 4th of July? Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Jun 5 20:59:35 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Jun 5 20:57:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> > > Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United > States?" > That would have to be the Gulf Coast, as far as anything geological going on. Jeanette From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 5 21:11:41 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 5 21:01:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com><42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c56a34$5a2a6a60$45a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <42A3CA82.7061@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks Pete! I'm glad you could find some sense in the diversity of answers for "what does diabase mean?" that I had found in my recent meanderings. I'm still amazed that I found each of the meanings, in an independent context, (very) recently, looking for something else. Your simple answer makes sense, and provides some missing context; I got to learn something new! Would you consider taking time to add some details beyond the 'simple' answer? Thanks again, Kreigh Peter J. Modreski wrote: > > Kreigh & Larry & List, > > I'll take a stab at this one. > > The simple answer is just that diabase means basalt magma that cooled at a > moderate rate, neither real fast (basalt lava) nor very slow (gabbro, an > intrusive rock). Diabase cooled in between, and rock of this medium-grained > texture is usually found in dikes and in near-surface sills, or within very > thick lava flows. Therefore, the term "diabase" doesn't appear in rock > charts based on composition, because it's superfluous; the composition is > still just basalt. > > It gets more confusing because the British (ah, those Brits) use the term a > little different than "we" do. To American petrologists, the term > "dolerite" is a synonym for diabase. However, in the U.K., the word diabase > is traditionally used only for altered (chemically altered or weathered, not > fresh) rock, whereas they use "dolerite" specifically for fresh rock of what > we call diabase. I think I said this right! And I also read in the Glossary > of Geology that in Germany (heaven help us), "diabase" is traditionally used > still differently, there specifically for older basalt, of pre-Tertiary age. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > > > Larry, > > > > I'm certainly not an expert at petrology, but it seems to me that the > > use of the term is declining, probably due to lack of a clear definition > > -- or maybe because there are too many definitions and common uses. I > > have recently seen diabase defined as a cooling sequence where the > > feldspar hardens first, as a specific form of weathering, as both > > 'greened' basalt and gabbro, as a specific type of dyke, defined by its > > grain size (between gabbro and basalt), as a weathered form of dolerite, > > as a synonym of dolerite, and as a type of aggregate. We need someone > > who has studied Petrology recently to help. > > > > Kreigh > > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Jun 5 21:06:29 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Jun 5 21:04:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: <20050606024622.2434EA1020@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: <00a801c56a4d$1def5f60$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> That sounds like a good idea, do you have to pay VAT on every package you recieve?? Jeanette > What if one of us bought one and sent it to you as a "gift" (with you > sneaking us a check later). Is there still VAT on that? > > Margaret > > >>Why can't you mail order the $600 scanner from the US?? Can't cost THAT >>much to mail it to Belgium. > > 21 % VAT and about the same import tax ;-)))) > I once sent some slides of fluorescent minerals to the FMS for copying and > distributing among the members. After the copies were made, they sent the > slides back to me. The green slip (customs & insurance) said: "value: 90$" > or something along those lines... I had to pay 36$ upon receipt! To get > back > what was mine already... Go figure ;-))) > > I'd have to make some careful calculations. > > Axel > From tfa at brickengraver.com Sun Jun 5 21:12:01 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Jun 5 21:11:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <20050606021412.0C4A8A101F@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: <20050606041148.DSCM14901.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> Dear Rock, I'm not so sure I would go for a flatbed scanner. Depending on how much you want to spend, the Nikon Coolscan V LS 50 ED looks like a good one http://reviews.cnet.com/Nikon_Coolscan_V_LS_50_ED/4505-3136_7-30756222-2.htm l?tag=top Every review I have read touts the dust removal software, and I'll bet you have a good number of slides that have some dust. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 www.brickengraver.com ...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. Walker Percy Signposts in a Strange Land -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Malm Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:14 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion Hi, Rock, I've been wondering what to get --! Have been waiting lo these many years for the quality of the dedicated slide scanners -- as well as the cameras -- to get up to professional quality. I (used to) do lots of 16X20s from my Leica Kodachrome slides, and want something that will give me as good quality as the slides have. Haven't bought either, yet, but I think the time is about here -- !!! I think Axel's recommendation of the Microtek i900, and the sound reasoning behind it, sounds great, and that is what I am (presently) planning to get. On the other hand, your needs may be quite different from mine. There is no point in putting a lot of money into a scanner to get super quality reproduction of a slide, when the quality is not there in the slide. i.e.l How good are your camera and (especiallly) lenses? And, how big do you want the prints to be? If you just want 5X7s, or something that looks OK on the internet, then just about anything that is available nowadays should be fine. Margaret >Margaret or other photo gurus out there. Do you have any fealings about what kind of slide scanner you want to >use to scan you slides? I have about 40,000 + slides of mineral >specimens and specimen localities I have taken over the years. Probably I would want to scan and store less than 10,000 of them, possibly less than 5,000. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From MCGINNISG at aol.com Sun Jun 5 22:15:51 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 5 22:15:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Madras Message-ID: <1f3.b2f9a6c.2fd53607@aol.com> For some reason Madras has never really been advertised very well. I did find some information at... _http://www.cfmsinc.org/Fieldtrp/oregon04/oregon04R.htm_ (http://www.cfmsinc.org/Fieldtrp/oregon04/oregon04R.htm) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 22:33:10 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Jun 5 22:33:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava types-- In-Reply-To: <200506060100.j5610CxS014741@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050606053310.71194.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> in reply to kreigh and pete's posts, like the diagram kreigh! It doesn't print too well for me so no cheat sheet lamination there, but it is a great reminder for future collection ideas that I'd like to have intrusive/extrusive matches (granodiorite and dacite). If I'm lucky, I'll have years ahead of me to build that collection--and the great thing--unlike some collecting predilections, it won't cost much to collect! Pete--thanks for the clarification on diabase; I too wondered about that as I have resources from Germany and GB and thought it meant weathered. Guess I'll have to relabel a few specimens. tina aka tangojuli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 22:46:55 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Jun 5 22:46:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock squared--welcome to the list In-Reply-To: <200506060100.j5610CxS014741@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050606054655.73095.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Peter Sosso-- welcome to the list! I couldn't resist....there is lovely irony in your name and link to the hobby: change that first "o" in your last name to "a" as in Sasso and you'd be Rock squared (sasso is italian for rock--peter from the ancient Greek for petra--rock) But if you feel inclined to road trip from your sassi-deficient state, there will be a big mineral, rock, fossil and gemshow here in Bloomington Indiana--6/24-26. There is collecting nearby too on the reknowned roadcuts on SR 37 as well as other localities in the area. What are we, like 5-6 hours from Ames? If you made a weekend of it, you could get slap happy over on hwy 101 near Brookville (2 hours east of Blgn) for fossil madness--all the fossils you could possible box before your axel broke or wife left you. It would satisfy the collecting urge for at least a week! :) tina tangojuli@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Sosso" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors'" > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:18 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] New List Member > > > > John, > > > > North Central Iowa - Anything interesting here was > dragged from > > somewhere else in the last ice age. I prefer the > coasts. > > > > -Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jemstone at amug.org Sun Jun 5 23:35:44 2005 From: jemstone at amug.org (John McLaughlin) Date: Sun Jun 5 23:36:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land access References: <000001c569e2$28d3ed30$bee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <011c01c56a62$093c4050$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> In the Bradshaw Mountains of Arizona is a gate off the Senator Highway that has 20 padlocks (the "highway" is a dirt road that snakes through the Mountains and, in some areas, requires 4WD). I had never seen quite so many locks, as the long "gate" seemed to have as many locks as links. I took a photo of it as I thought it might be an Arizona record. The private properties lie within the Prescott National Forest. John McLaughlin Glendale, Arizona Off tomorrow to an Australian mineral symposium in Perth and then three weeks of camping and fossicking in Western Australia. From: "earl verbeek" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Land access > A few more comments to build upon Don's information: > > It's not uncommon to see as many as 10 locks on one gate in our western > states -- that's how the federal management agencies (mostly BLM and > Forest > Service), the folks who lease federal land, and the folks who own private > land, control who has access to any particular area. For example, I could > have keys to gates A, B, and C, and you could have keys to gates A, C, D, > and H. It's a simple and effective system. From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Jun 6 02:09:53 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 6 02:08:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <002a01c56a49$871ed9b0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: What can I say, we're Belgian... There is always an alternative: I can have it shipped to a friend in Holland or France where the taxes on imported goods are lower and go pick it up. Or go to Holland and buy it there. It's mostly the import and distribution companies that spoil the fun in Belgium. The Nikon distributor has practically a monopoly. I can buy a camera at BH in New York for 56% of what it costs here. Just checked, it's sad but true ;-))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2005 5:41 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography Man, that sucks....as my grandson would say.... Having to pay for something that is already yours. What a ripoff! > 21 % VAT and about the same import tax ;-)))) > I once sent some slides of fluorescent minerals to the FMS for copying and > distributing among the members. After the copies were made, they sent the > slides back to me. The green slip (customs & insurance) said: "value: 90$" > or something along those lines... I had to pay 36$ upon receipt! To get > back > what was mine already... Go figure ;-))) > > I'd have to make some careful calculations. > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Jun 6 02:28:45 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 6 02:27:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <20050606024622.2434EA1020@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: That would be a great idea if the Belgian state weren't that clever... Anything over 500$ is taxed, gift or not. When I asked about that they said: If you buy your friends expensive stuff, you have to pay VAT too. If this is a gift, ask the sender to pay you back the VAT and import taxes. Additional problem is that they open the cargo and check it out. When I got my UV SYSTEMS TrippleBright (weighs about 16 pounds, stares at you with two black filters in a dark blue chassis, has two power cords and fans and stuff) customs wouldn't believe it was a lamp. I had to actually open the chassis and show them. Then, some things are made for and imported to the USA and work on 120V. We have 240 V. I had to buy a 240v/120v power transformer for my lamp. Another nice one: a company bought a photo from me for about 450$. I gave them my account number and got 398 $. The bank had charged me 52$ because it was an "overseas transaction". Last time I heard, if I send money to someone's account in the USA, they get it. The lot of it ;-))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Margaret Malm Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2005 4:46 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography What if one of us bought one and sent it to you as a "gift" (with you sneaking us a check later). Is there still VAT on that? Margaret >Why can't you mail order the $600 scanner from the US?? Can't cost THAT >much to mail it to Belgium. 21 % VAT and about the same import tax ;-)))) I once sent some slides of fluorescent minerals to the FMS for copying and distributing among the members. After the copies were made, they sent the slides back to me. The green slip (customs & insurance) said: "value: 90$" or something along those lines... I had to pay 36$ upon receipt! To get back what was mine already... Go figure ;-))) I'd have to make some careful calculations. Axel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Mon Jun 6 04:43:50 2005 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (JL Kelly) Date: Mon Jun 6 04:43:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Screening Sunstones References: <200506060100.j5610CxN014741@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002601c56a8d$032e0dd0$490bbed8@karolzg5f1uiqk> Grant, Just a little information for you. Sure others will add a great deal more. At the "public" Sunstone area north of Plush, OR the "only" thing you can do "legally" is pick them up off the desert floor. You will find mostly schihllers but my sweetheart and I found some beautiful reds and greens last year in the process. The desert is literally paved with these wonders and getting up early just to watch the sunrise sparkle on the desert floor is a treat you will never foget. The two mines in the area, the Dust Devil and the Desert Rose provide screens, instruction and all the help you can possibly want. I can easily recommend both. The area is very smilar to Topaz mountain, with a whole lot less large rocks. It is sandy, decomposed dolomite, granite and probably two or three others that formed the original matrix. Have fun. Kelly Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, I'm thinking of going up to Plush, Oregon to look for sunstones. I've heard that you shovel the overburden through a screen to screen out sunstones. I didn't hear what size, or sizes, were used. I also don't have any idea what type of soil (or sand) exist around there. However, it sounds similar to what I did at Topaz Mountain. That area is really sandy and the topaz crystals are small. Also, when I was sniping for gold I used a large screen to get the bigger gravel out before panning. Any suggestions on what size screen works on the sunstone overburden? Grant Johnston, Chico, CA From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Mon Jun 6 05:13:26 2005 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Mon Jun 6 05:13:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] diabase Message-ID: <42A43DE6.1060406@ncmail.net> Dear List, Diabase is alive and well here in North Carolina. There are hundreds if not thousands of diabase dikes found from the upper Coastal Plain to the mountains. I encounter it almost everyday during field mapping. Black, relatively hard, it weathers into distinctive round boulders which lay about in pastures, fields and the woods. The dikes have been dated as Jurassic in age. Not pretty stuff, but I like it. It's easy to identify in the field, unlike all the different volcanic rocks. If anyone wants any just let me know. Kenny From everbeek at nac.net Mon Jun 6 05:19:30 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Mon Jun 6 05:19:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities In-Reply-To: <20050606021730.D1F9EA100E@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: <000001c56a91$fe844290$bbe4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Hi Margaret, The solution to that is to drive to the nearest BLM office and ask either for the station manager or the ranger. Often the problem can be cleared up with a phone call to the rancher, reminding him of public access rights. You may also be able to arrange for the ranger, who is a law-enforcement officer and carries a weapon, to accompany you to the field and set the rancher straight. Ranchers who make a habit of denying public access to public lands can have their grazing permits revoked, but only if members of the public routinely report these incidents to the appropriate BLM office. It can be a delicate balancing act. I can certainly sympathize with ranchers who for years have had to put up with vandals and thieves. Their only recourse is to lock everybody out, for there aren't nearly enough BLM or Forest Service rangers to patrol out there and keep the problem to a minimum. Although some ranchers do indeed have a cavalier attitude and treat the land as if they owned it, most are simply defending what they have by the only realistic means available to them, and are reacting to a history of bad experiences at the hands of the public. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Malm Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:18 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Arizona wood collecting localities While it is true that BLM land is public land and we all have access, just try to tell that to the rancher who is standing there with a shotgun! The think that grazing land they leased is theirs ONLY, and can be really nasty about it! Margaret (from Utah) From everbeek at nac.net Mon Jun 6 05:27:27 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Mon Jun 6 05:27:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000101c56a93$1aa75d80$bbe4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Well, not exactly -- there really is a lot going on geologically, but it can be subtle. To my horror (but ultimate delight) my first field assignment with the USGS was to the Texas Gulf Coast. Here was a flat expanse of sand and clay, not even any rock, after I'd just spent three years studying metamorphic rocks in the mountains of France and Spain. I was a little put out, but after familiarizing myself with Gulf Coast geology I became fascinated. As just one example, the region is riddled with active faults, many of which offset the land surface and are moving at rates of 0.5-1.5 cm per year. Build a house on that and it won't be too many years before the slab foundation cracks. I spent many happy months mapping these faults in the Houston-Baytown-Texas City-La Marque area, and it's still some of the most enjoyable field work I've done. I won't go into the lengthy details here, but please believe me that the effect of a 1-ft fault scarp on drainage, vegetation, animal life, and land use in that region is absolutely fascinating. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jeanette Wimpee Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:00 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member > > Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United > States?" > That would have to be the Gulf Coast, as far as anything geological going on. Jeanette _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 05:44:00 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 6 05:44:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <20050606021412.0C4A8A101F@marbella.infowest.com> References: <01e801c5694b$6c5f0f40$2eeaa5d8@rock5> <20050606021412.0C4A8A101F@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: If you have thousands of slides to convert then you need to think about time. Loading the holder on a flatbed scanner probably takes 90 seconds, you'll need to brush the dust off slides, get the oriented and so on, you have to wait while the lamp warms up, and if you use the preview mode on then you have to do two scans. Say all in all about a minute a slide. 10,000 slides = 10,000 minutes = about 170 hours or over 20-8 hour no-break days. Realistically it would mean months doing it 3 hours a night. That would get tiresome--fast. I'd think seriously about getting a dedicated scanner in that case. You are still looking at a long time sitting at that machine. From my experience with scanning photos, you'll probably want to run these slides thru Photoshop or similar software to clean them up and do color balancing too. That would double the time required if not more. You will definitely need to use the .TIF file format too. I scanned a 150 or so photos in .JPG and that was a waste of time. Bryan On 6/5/05, Margaret Malm wrote: > > Hi, Rock, > I've been wondering what to get --! Have been waiting lo these many years > for the quality of the dedicated slide scanners -- as well as the cameras -- > to get up to professional quality. I (used to) do lots of 16X20s from my > Leica Kodachrome slides, and want something that will give me as good > quality as the slides have. Haven't bought either, yet, but I think the time > is about here -- !!! > I think Axel's recommendation of the Microtek i900, and the sound reasoning > behind it, sounds great, and that is what I am (presently) planning to get. > > On the other hand, your needs may be quite different from mine. > There is no point in putting a lot of money into a scanner to get super > quality reproduction of a slide, when the quality is not there in the slide. > i.e.l How good are your camera and (especiallly) lenses? > And, how big do you want the prints to be? If you just want 5X7s, or > something that looks OK on the internet, then just about anything that is > available nowadays should be fine. > > Margaret > > > > > >Margaret or other photo gurus out there. > Do you have any fealings about what kind of slide scanner you want to > >use to scan you slides? I have about 40,000 + slides of mineral specimens > and specimen localities I have taken over the years. Probably I would want > to scan and store less than 10,000 of them, possibly less than 5,000. > Rock > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 05:56:48 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 6 05:56:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: Maybe not, I see some reports this morning of geology in action in Louisiana and East Texas. There apparently is some new evidence that natural subsidence is pulling down southern Louisiana and East Texas at a rate of 6 inches/decade (150mm/decade, that's 5 feet a century: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967 Isostacy in action? Bryan On 6/5/05, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United > > States?" > > > > That would have to be the Gulf Coast, as far as anything geological going > on. > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pbhewitt at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 06:47:25 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Mon Jun 6 06:47:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digital Photography of mineral specimens References: <20050605191449.54309.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c56a9e$4604e4b0$6501a8c0@maingear> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Digital Photography of mineral specimens > Hi all: > > Forgot to mention that there is an excellent article > on mineral photography by John Betts at his commercial > site: > > http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/articles.htm > > There are other interesting articles on lighting, > cataloging, etc. > > I've been scanning old family photos with our new > Canon Canoscan8400F and it seems to be quite > satisfactory for that purpose, mostly at 600 pixels > per inch. I'll be doing slides and film later and > will let you know how it does at that. > > JR in WV > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pbhewitt at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 06:49:44 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Mon Jun 6 06:49:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digital Photography of mineral specimens References: <20050605191449.54309.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c56a9e$991563a0$6501a8c0@maingear> First let me aplogize for sending a reply without adding any text! I have only had one cuppa so far this morning. That said I would like to thank those of you who responded to my query about digital photography. I am in the infant stage and just learning to walk with this but I see a brilliant future ahead! Thanks again, Paul in Marietta From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 07:08:28 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jun 6 07:08:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> Message-ID: <20050606140828.2411.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> Peter, Welcome to the list. Actually, there are some interesting places to colect in Iowa. Check out Pint's Quarry in Raymond, and the locality for calcite geodes in Jesup. Of course, there's also the famous Keokuk geodes (also across the river around Hamilton, IL). Jim Daly from an area equally lacking in minerals, northern Indiana. --- Peter Sosso wrote: > Just a bit about myself: > > I was a casual rockhound from birth, but have been > seriously born again > after taking my son to a public mine in Amelia, > Virginia three years ago > to dig up amazonite, kyanite, amethyst, citrine, > pyrite, and garnets. > (Oh! the garnets.) I am now located in the most > geologically boring > section of the United States, but occasionally find > citrine, stone > tools, and amethyst sand when panning for gold or > walking the back 40. > > Nice list, thanks for keeping it open. > > Peter Sosso > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 6 07:16:13 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jun 6 07:13:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com><42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net><002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib><42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c56a34$5a2a6a60$45a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <00ba01c56aa2$4cc43360$088a4c0c@fekib> Thanks very much, Pete. That makes perfect sense! BTW, I am unable to reach you via your AT&T account address despite several tries; if you get a minute, could you please send me a test message privately so that I can try to find out what goes here between AT&T customers? I have run into this several times, and I need some documentation to send to them. Thanks again.......Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter J. Modreski To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > Kreigh & Larry & List, > > I'll take a stab at this one. > > The simple answer is just that diabase means basalt magma that cooled at a > moderate rate, neither real fast (basalt lava) nor very slow (gabbro, an > intrusive rock). Diabase cooled in between, and rock of this medium-grained > texture is usually found in dikes and in near-surface sills, or within very > thick lava flows. Therefore, the term "diabase" doesn't appear in rock > charts based on composition, because it's superfluous; the composition is > still just basalt. > > It gets more confusing because the British (ah, those Brits) use the term a > little different than "we" do. To American petrologists, the term > "dolerite" is a synonym for diabase. However, in the U.K., the word diabase > is traditionally used only for altered (chemically altered or weathered, not > fresh) rock, whereas they use "dolerite" specifically for fresh rock of what > we call diabase. I think I said this right! And I also read in the Glossary > of Geology that in Germany (heaven help us), "diabase" is traditionally used > still differently, there specifically for older basalt, of pre-Tertiary age. > > Pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava Types > > > > Larry, > > > > I'm certainly not an expert at petrology, but it seems to me that the > > use of the term is declining, probably due to lack of a clear definition > > -- or maybe because there are too many definitions and common uses. I > > have recently seen diabase defined as a cooling sequence where the > > feldspar hardens first, as a specific form of weathering, as both > > 'greened' basalt and gabbro, as a specific type of dyke, defined by its > > grain size (between gabbro and basalt), as a weathered form of dolerite, > > as a synonym of dolerite, and as a type of aggregate. We need someone > > who has studied Petrology recently to help. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 6 07:42:39 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 6 07:41:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography References: Message-ID: <002101c56aa5$fd323000$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> They'll get you coming and going, I guess. > That would be a great idea if the Belgian state weren't that clever... > Anything over 500$ is taxed, gift or not. When I asked about that they > said: > If you buy your friends expensive stuff, you have to pay VAT too. If this > is > a gift, ask the sender to pay you back the VAT and import taxes. > Additional problem is that they open the cargo and check it out. > When I got my UV SYSTEMS TrippleBright (weighs about 16 pounds, stares at > you with two black filters in a dark blue chassis, has two power cords and > fans and stuff) customs wouldn't believe it was a lamp. I had to actually > open the chassis and show them. > Then, some things are made for and imported to the USA and work on 120V. > We > have 240 V. I had to buy a 240v/120v power transformer for my lamp. From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Jun 6 09:14:01 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Mon Jun 6 09:14:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] screen for sunstones? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c56ab2$a219cd10$0300a8c0@gametime> Grant: The locals recommended 1/8" mesh when I asked. Personally, I suggest 3/16" or 1/4" mesh. There are a lot of small stones that fall through 1/4" mesh and are kept by the 1/8" inch. But, when I sorted all of my stones, all the small ones went into a glass jar and then on my window sill where they catch the afternoon sun for me. At 1/4" and above you begin to have stones that still have some size when cut. Restrictions on digging at the public site are the first I've heard. I couldn't find a restriction on the BLM's (mostly non-functional and turned off) web site. The one policy paper I did find http://www.blm.gov/nhp/efoia/or/fy2000/im/m2000-023ch1.htm doesn't mention digging restrictions. Perhaps Tim Fisher can address this question. If digging is allowed; remember to fill your holes! Sunstones are one of those stones that do not shed dirt and dust. One of the tricks is to look up through the bottom of the screen to spot the sun shining through. Other than that, perhaps consider bringing a large plastic tub and an extra 10-20 gallons of water. Use this to wash all of your sifted material. Otherwise inspect every stone. I second Kelly's suggestion for visiting the fee areas. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA Sunstones are -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Grant Johnston Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:11 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] screen for sunstones? Hello, I'm thinking of going up to Plush, Oregon to look for sunstones. I've heard that you shovel the overburden through a screen to screen out sunstones. I didn't hear what size, or sizes, were used. I also don't have any idea what type of soil (or sand) exist around there. However, it sounds similar to what I did at Topaz Mountain. That area is really sandy and the topaz crystals are small. Also, when I was sniping for gold I used a large screen to get the bigger gravel out before panning. Any suggestions on what size screen works on the sunstone overburden? Grant Johnston, Chico, CA _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Mon Jun 6 10:22:03 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jun 6 10:22:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] screen for sunstones? In-Reply-To: <001001c56ab2$a219cd10$0300a8c0@gametime> References: <001001c56ab2$a219cd10$0300a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606102131.02edc688@mail.spiritone.com> You cannot leave holes in the public area. Other than that, there are no restrictions. At 09:14 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: >Grant: >The locals recommended 1/8" mesh when I asked. > >Personally, I suggest 3/16" or 1/4" mesh. There are a lot of small stones >that fall through 1/4" mesh and are kept by the 1/8" inch. But, when I >sorted all of my stones, all the small ones went into a glass jar and then >on my window sill where they catch the afternoon sun for me. At 1/4" and >above you begin to have stones that still have some size when cut. > >Restrictions on digging at the public site are the first I've heard. I >couldn't find a restriction on the BLM's (mostly non-functional and turned >off) web site. The one policy paper I did find >http://www.blm.gov/nhp/efoia/or/fy2000/im/m2000-023ch1.htm doesn't mention >digging restrictions. Perhaps Tim Fisher can address this question. If >digging is allowed; remember to fill your holes! > >Sunstones are one of those stones that do not shed dirt and dust. One of the >tricks is to look up through the bottom of the screen to spot the sun >shining through. Other than that, perhaps consider bringing a large plastic >tub and an extra 10-20 gallons of water. Use this to wash all of your sifted >material. Otherwise inspect every stone. > >I second Kelly's suggestion for visiting the fee areas. > >Ted Kowalski >Fredericksburg, VA USA > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 10:40:46 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 6 10:40:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Trip Message-ID: One of the interesting things we saw on our recent collecting trip to western Utah was a very expensive power drill bit stuck and abandoned in an agate formation.... Glenn Wimpee ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 10:51:06 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 6 10:51:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of Arizona In-Reply-To: References: <20050602015053.B9632CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: OK I'm going to order Minerals of Az for our summer trip, anyone have book recomendations for New Mexico or Utah(Southern)? I don't know if we'll make it up to Topaz Mountain/Dugway with gas prices being so high. Bryan On 6/1/05, Joe Davis wrote: > Here is another vote for Minerals of Az. Some of the sites described will > require high a clearance vehicle. Visit the Mineral and Mining Museum in > Phoenix and talk to the staff about collecting sites. Outstanding displays > there also. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From rockcurrier at cs.com Mon Jun 6 11:53:24 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:48:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner References: <200506061441.j56EfJqv006174@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <02c401c56ac9$09b00af0$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Margaret, Most of my slides were taken with a Nikon using their micronikor lens which at the time was given pretty high ratings. The mineral pictures were all taken with electronic flash stopped down to f22 to give maximum depth of field. They were all taken with ASA 25 Kodachrome film which was about as fine a grained film as I could get. Although they were taken hand held they were pretty sharp because flash was so quick that it was hard to move the camera fast enough to blur the images. Over the years I have worried about the colors changing in the film, but so far the color seems to have held up pretty well. In my youth I did a lot of photography at various museums with the blessings of various curators and got to be up close and personal with the specimens. Many hours and days were spent at the Smithsonian, British Museum of Natural history, Harvard, Yale, Carnegy, ROM, Canadian National, Bryn Mawr, Sorbonne etc etc. I think they are worth saving. I am soon to get a new computer with two big hard drives and a DVD burner which I think may be necessary to store a lot of the images. One or two K to scan and store the images is not a problem. After about 20 years I got tired of hauling those monster Nikons around the world. Wore out a couple of them to the points where the lenses would rattle in the bayonet mount or grit from fine sand would grind when I focused them. Now I just take one or two of those little point and shoot 35mm jobs that I can carry around in my pocket. This I like a lot because they have their own flash and it is easy to take pictures indoors and you can get it out and take the shot before people know that you even have a camera. I have not done any serious photography of minerals for many years. I have been busy running a mineral business. Any further recommendations and I am all ears. Rock From Redsnappersbite at aol.com Mon Jun 6 11:59:47 2005 From: Redsnappersbite at aol.com (Redsnappersbite@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:59:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LOOKING FOR GEM MINE Message-ID: <92.284b8c80.2fd5f723@aol.com> HELLO I.M PLANNING ON A TRIP TO FRANKLIN NC WOULD ANY ONE KNOW OF ANY GOOD GEMS MINES THANKS SMITTY IN FLA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 13:01:25 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:01:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] screen for sunstones? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606102131.02edc688@mail.spiritone.com> References: <001001c56ab2$a219cd10$0300a8c0@gametime> <6.2.1.2.2.20050606102131.02edc688@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tips on screens. I was thinking of going to the Spectrum Mine first. I would also like to stop at the Dust Devil. Last fall I bought my wife a pair of faceted green sunstone ear rings at the jewelry store in Lakeview. They were made by somebody from the Dust Devil Mine. It would be nice to meet him. Grant Johnston On 6/6/05, Tim Fisher wrote: > You cannot leave holes in the public area. Other than that, there are no > restrictions. > > At 09:14 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: > > >Grant: > >The locals recommended 1/8" mesh when I asked. > > > >Personally, I suggest 3/16" or 1/4" mesh. There are a lot of small stones > >that fall through 1/4" mesh and are kept by the 1/8" inch. But, when I > >sorted all of my stones, all the small ones went into a glass jar and then > >on my window sill where they catch the afternoon sun for me. At 1/4" and From tfa at brickengraver.com Mon Jun 6 13:02:14 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:02:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner In-Reply-To: <02c401c56ac9$09b00af0$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <20050606200156.KXPY1954.imta06a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> Buy the best--You probably have some shots that are definitely once in a lifetime and can never be replaced.. I have had kodachrome 25 slides that have held their color for 40 years. You still want to keep those, as they are probably more permanent than any cd or dvd that you will save the scans to. And for sure more archival than a hardrive. But I would definitely recommend the highest resolution scanner with the best software that is available in your price range. I would probably go with the Nikon Coolscan. Your kodachromes will still probably more resolution than any scanner can pick up. But, if I were you, and since you really do have some images that need to be saved in a more friendly format, I would go to a real graphics/publishing expert and get their input. From what I understand, the major advantages of a dedicated slide scanner is in the fact that the software can handle to wonderful contrast that only a transparency possesses. And also by going the best, if in the future, you want them published, they will be "ready to go". When are you going to publish your book? Also, from what I understand, there are some types of dvd's that are more archival than others. You might want to contact the archive experts at the Library of Congress, as what you have is surely something that does not need to be lost to posterity. Green with envy in Lillington. Nice life you have led Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 www.brickengraver.com ...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. Walker Percy Signposts in a Strange Land -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:53 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner Margaret, Most of my slides were taken with a Nikon using their micronikor lens which at the time was given pretty high ratings. The mineral pictures were all taken with electronic flash stopped down to f22 to give maximum depth of field. They were all taken with ASA 25 Kodachrome film which was about as fine a grained film as I could get. Although they were taken hand held they were pretty sharp because flash was so quick that it was hard to move the camera fast enough to blur the images. Over the years I have worried about the colors changing in the film, but so far the color seems to have held up pretty well. In my youth I did a lot of photography at various museums with the blessings of various curators and got to be up close and personal with the specimens. Many hours and days were spent at the Smithsonian, British Museum of Natural history, Harvard, Yale, Carnegy, ROM, Canadian National, Bryn Mawr, Sorbonne etc etc. I think they are worth saving. I am soon to get a new computer with two big hard drives and a DVD burner which I think may be necessary to store a lot of the images. One or two K to scan and store the images is not a problem. After about 20 years I got tired of hauling those monster Nikons around the world. Wore out a couple of them to the points where the lenses would rattle in the bayonet mount or grit from fine sand would grind when I focused them. Now I just take one or two of those little point and shoot 35mm jobs that I can carry around in my pocket. This I like a lot because they have their own flash and it is easy to take pictures indoors and you can get it out and take the shot before people know that you even have a camera. I have not done any serious photography of minerals for many years. I have been busy running a mineral business. Any further recommendations and I am all ears. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 6 13:06:46 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:05:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] MM goethite References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com><42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net><002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib><42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c56a34$5a2a6a60$45a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <001c01c56ad3$717a2080$11864c0c@fekib> I wanted to thank those micro-mounters who asked for samples of the goethite fans I had. I'm glad they found homes and saves me from adding them to my stone wall (which already will undoubtedly provide a good collecting spot for my great-grand children some day). Larry -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Jun 6 13:15:13 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion Message-ID: <060620052015.5465.42A4AED0000D2AE900001559216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Bryan, I'm curious, why did you say, (and pardon me if any further comment may have already been made about this, and I missed it), -------------- Original message from J Bryan Kramer : -------------- > You will definitely need to use the .TIF file format too. I scanned a > 150 or so photos in .JPG and that was a waste of time. I have a lot of 35mm slides that I took over the past 3 or so years, and when getting each roll of film developed, I had them scanned & put on a disk at the same time; and all of those are .jpg files, which I've made assorted use of. The one photo shop I've had do this, would provide the set of images on a CD both as a high-res 2 mb image, and a low-res 150 kb image. (I've since gotten a digital camera and haven't been doing much with the SLR since then, I'm afraid.) Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 13:16:12 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:16:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: References: <20050606024622.2434EA1020@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: Well, yes, in this country they get it but if it is considered income they eventually have to give part of it to the Internal Revenue Service. Depending on which state you live in it can be over 40% gone to taxes. There is some talk of abandoning the tax on income and going to a Value Added Tax. However, people who benefit from tax deductions and tax breaks, things like depreciation, travel expenses, and writing off mortgage interest don't want a VAT or a flat tax. Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. On 6/6/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Another nice one: a company bought a photo from me for about 450$. I gave > them my account number and got 398 $. The bank had charged me 52$ because it > was an "overseas transaction". Last time I heard, if I send money to > someone's account in the USA, they get it. The lot of it ;-))) > > From pjmodreski at att.net Mon Jun 6 13:21:35 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types Message-ID: <060620052021.12836.42A4B04E000EAD9000003224216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Kreigh, The second paragraph of my reply was already the "beyond simple" part of the answer; I'm not sure I have any more to add about diabase! Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 13:29:47 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: Part of that might be because they pumped oil out of that area for over 75 years. We burn it in our cars, use natural gas to heat and generate electricity, and produce thousands of tons of chemicals to use on farms. And Baytown has a cancer epidemic. Grant On 6/6/05, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Maybe not, I see some reports this morning of geology in action in > Louisiana and East Texas. There apparently is some new evidence that > natural subsidence is pulling down southern Louisiana and East Texas > at a rate of 6 inches/decade (150mm/decade, that's 5 feet a century: > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967 > > Isostacy in action? > > Bryan > > On 6/5/05, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United > > > States?" > > > > > > > That would have to be the Gulf Coast, as far as anything geological going > > on. > > Jeanette > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 13:37:57 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:38:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <060620052015.5465.42A4AED0000D2AE900001559216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <060620052015.5465.42A4AED0000D2AE900001559216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Well I was scanning a bunch of old photos mostly 5X4 inch, and on my scanner the jpeg files were around 250 kb. The files when Photoshopped were of awful quality-grainy and washed out, it was just about a waste of time to work on them doing color correction and clean-up. The small file size shows that the files were highly compressed and thus of low quality. The second batch I did, after someone in this conversation reminded me to use TIFF were about 6500 kb. The resulting files in photoshop were highly detailed, had good color and saturation. The scanner works at 2400 dpi and so these 5x4 inch prints can easily be blown up to 8x10 or larger. The individual photos when cut from the multiple sheets are around 1 to 1.5 MB and I'm going to archive them on DVD as TIFF files. Now my camera produces low compression JPEG with file sizes around the same size as those TIFF files and they behave well in Photoshop. But as it has been pointed out every time you resave a JPEG file you lose some quality. I archive the raw JPEG files from the camera and just Photoshop copies so I have the originals to fall back on. Photoshop CS and CS2 is a wonder now that I've begun to figure out how to use it correctly. You can color correct files it very easily, they have a new spot healing brush that you can do one click fixes of dust spots and such on the photos and a lot more. It's darned expensive but you can download the trial and use it for a month for free, just time that with your major conversion effort. Bryan On 6/6/05, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Bryan, I'm curious, why did you say, (and pardon me if any further comment may have already been made about this, and I missed it), > -------------- Original message from J Bryan Kramer : -------------- > > > You will definitely need to use the .TIF file format too. I scanned a > > 150 or so photos in .JPG and that was a waste of time. > > > I have a lot of 35mm slides that I took over the past 3 or so years, and when getting each roll of film developed, I had them scanned & put on a disk at the same time; and all of those are .jpg files, which I've made assorted use of. The one photo shop I've had do this, would provide the set of images on a CD both as a high-res 2 mb image, and a low-res 150 kb image. (I've since gotten a digital camera and haven't been doing much with the SLR since then, I'm afraid.) > > Pete > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From roughrock at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 13:38:25 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Land access In-Reply-To: <011c01c56a62$093c4050$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> References: <000001c569e2$28d3ed30$bee4a5ce@D3JM7W21> <011c01c56a62$093c4050$f25a2741@MCWIDOM> Message-ID: Can I go with you? I'll be good ;-) I'll even clean my room -- well, maybe not -- but have a nice trip. When you get back let us know what you find. Is Western Australia opal country? Grant in Chico, CA On 6/5/05, John McLaughlin wrote: > John McLaughlin > Glendale, Arizona > Off tomorrow to an Australian mineral symposium in Perth and then three > weeks of camping and fossicking in Western Australia. > From jaszczak at mtu.edu Mon Jun 6 13:53:38 2005 From: jaszczak at mtu.edu (John A. Jaszczak) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:53:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner In-Reply-To: <02c401c56ac9$09b00af0$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: Rock Upon recommendation by Dan Behnke, the Seaman Mineral Museum purchased a dedicated slide scanner: Microtek ArtixScan 4000tf. We are very happy with it in most respects. It has excellent controls and the color output is excellent. It holds four 35mm slides at a time in the holder, but overall it is a bit slow. Since we don't do 10,000 at a time though I've found it worth the time. Cheers, John ************************************************************* Dr. John A. Jaszczak Associate Professor Adjunct Curator Dept. of Physics A. E. Seaman Mineral Museum Michigan Technological University 1400 Townsend Dr. Houghton, Michigan 49931-1295 phone: (906) 487-2255 fax: (906) 487-2933 http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~jaszczak/ http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~jaszczak/graphite.html *************************************************************** On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Rock Currier wrote: > > Margaret, > > Most of my slides were taken with a Nikon using their micronikor lens > which at the time was given pretty high ratings. The mineral pictures were > all taken with electronic flash stopped down to f22 to give maximum depth of > field. They were all taken with ASA 25 Kodachrome film which was about as > fine a grained film as I could get. Although they were taken hand held they > were pretty sharp because flash was so quick that it was hard to move the > camera fast enough to blur the images. Over the years I have worried about > the colors changing in the film, but so far the color seems to have held up > pretty well. In my youth I did a lot of photography at various museums with > the blessings of various curators and got to be up close and personal with > the specimens. Many hours and days were spent at the Smithsonian, British > Museum of Natural history, Harvard, Yale, Carnegy, ROM, Canadian National, > Bryn Mawr, Sorbonne etc etc. I think they are worth saving. I am soon to get > a new computer with two big hard drives and a DVD burner which I think may > be necessary to store a lot of the images. One or two K to scan and store > the images is not a problem. After about 20 years I got tired of hauling > those monster Nikons around the world. Wore out a couple of them to the > points where the lenses would rattle in the bayonet mount or grit from fine > sand would grind when I focused them. Now I just take one or two of those > little point and shoot 35mm jobs that I can carry around in my pocket. This > I like a lot because they have their own flash and it is easy to take > pictures indoors and you can get it out and take the shot before people know > that you even have a camera. I have not done any serious photography of > minerals for many years. I have been busy running a mineral business. Any > further recommendations and I am all ears. > > Rock > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Rocknlight at aol.com Mon Jun 6 13:53:46 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:54:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [LA-Rocks] Re:START ALERT SITE Rockatomics - BOTCHED show announcement Message-ID: <1f4.b3de28a.2fd611da@aol.com> I love the Rockatomics show and this year the weather was 100 % heavenly !!! Just fantastic perfect weather... Unfortunately, I missed it this year because I only heard about it on LA-Rocks, but not until Saturday night... I could have easily attended on Friday or Saturday and spent some money and seen old friends etc but, Sunday was already booked up for me, so I lost out.. But some rockhound vendors also lost out, because I was not there to purchase and say hello.. Perhaps someone with some computer skills should start up a Yahoo groups site that ONLY alerts people to show dates happening within 1 week and then again the day before the show...Possible name for the yahoo group site is below : ) Trying to remember to go to the Vug or any other rock site, in order to check for show dates is FAR TOO MUCH TROUBLE in the busy world of today.. We all need an AUTOMATIC TAP ON THE SHOULDER, 1 week before a show and then again, just 1 day before the show.. ROCKSHOWDATES-ALERT@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Kind of a catchy name.. Hope this helps / RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From morningstar at att.net Mon Jun 6 14:33:13 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Mon Jun 6 14:27:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: References: <060620052015.5465.42A4AED0000D2AE900001559216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <42A4C119.40101@att.net> To make the story short Pete, TIFF format is the most versatile and least lossy of the common formats; JPGs and GIFs both introduce compression artifactsand some loss of detail. Some like to use RAW format, which is reportedly a little bit better than TIFF (how, I don't know, I've never used it) but can be proprietary and is not read by all processing programs. If you save as a TIFF you can always convert to a JPG and save it; but if you have a JPG you can't go back to a TIFF. Don From tim at orerockon.com Mon Jun 6 14:43:26 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jun 6 14:44:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] screen for sunstones? In-Reply-To: References: <001001c56ab2$a219cd10$0300a8c0@gametime> <6.2.1.2.2.20050606102131.02edc688@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606144230.02516e28@mail.spiritone.com> It was Terry, he has a heck of a jewelers' workshop at the mine. He has mounted every piece I have faceted. At 01:01 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: >Thanks for the tips on screens. > >I was thinking of going to the Spectrum Mine first. I would also like >to stop at the Dust Devil. Last fall I bought my wife a pair of >faceted green sunstone ear rings at the jewelry store in Lakeview. >They were made by somebody from the Dust Devil Mine. It would be nice >to meet him. > >Grant Johnston Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 6 14:48:33 2005 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 6 14:50:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion References: <060620052015.5465.42A4AED0000D2AE900001559216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <42A4C119.40101@att.net> Message-ID: <003101c56ae1$83b83300$12b4010a@warren> Actually, if you have a jpg (first generation) and need to do work on it *save it as a tif*, or as a PSD file, if you use Photoshop. That way, as you are working/manipulating the image you're not introducing further artifacts when saving. Then, when you've done whatever the heck you're going to *do* to the image (I usually save 8-10 different versions as I'm working, but I'm obsessive about it;-), you can save it as a jpeg, hopefully at very high quality! lol), without *too* much loss of quality. This is especially good in Photoshop, which allows you to apply contrast/channel/level/etc. adjustments without actually affecting the original data. It's also good if you need to save versions for, say, printing, web, e-mail, offset printing, etc. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" To: "J Bryan Kramer" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion > > To make the story short Pete, TIFF format is the most versatile and least > lossy of the common formats; JPGs and GIFs both introduce compression > artifactsand some loss of detail. Some like to use RAW format, which is > reportedly a little bit better than TIFF (how, I don't know, I've never > used it) but can be proprietary and is not read by all processing > programs. > > If you save as a TIFF you can always convert to a JPG and save it; but if > you have a JPG you can't go back to a TIFF. > > Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Mon Jun 6 15:05:34 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Mon Jun 6 14:59:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide conversion In-Reply-To: <003101c56ae1$83b83300$12b4010a@warren> References: <060620052015.5465.42A4AED0000D2AE900001559216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <42A4C119.40101@att.net> <003101c56ae1$83b83300$12b4010a@warren> Message-ID: <42A4C8AE.5080309@att.net> Julie Siebel wrote: > Actually, if you have a jpg (first generation) and need to do work on it > *save it as a tif*, or as a PSD file, if you use Photoshop. That way, > as you are working/manipulating the image you're not introducing further > artifacts when saving. Oh yes that's right! Forgot about that part. When you work on JPGs and save them as JPGs, they can get worse. Don From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 6 16:36:03 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 6 16:34:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2><002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net><007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Watching Lousiana and East Texas subside at 5 feet a century is definitely my idea of boring. Now if the Mississippi changes course back down the Atchafalaya Basin, that would be interesting. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member > Maybe not, I see some reports this morning of geology in action in > Louisiana and East Texas. There apparently is some new evidence that > natural subsidence is pulling down southern Louisiana and East Texas > at a rate of 6 inches/decade (150mm/decade, that's 5 feet a century: > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967 > From petersosso at earthlink.net Mon Jun 6 16:42:25 2005 From: petersosso at earthlink.net (Peter Sosso) Date: Mon Jun 6 16:42:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000501c56af1$65bbdb80$89e71a3f@chew2> As I remember a visit to Texas last July I can't help but wonder, is the area 'sinking' or 'melting'? Peter -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jeanette Wimpee Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:36 PM To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member Watching Lousiana and East Texas subside at 5 feet a century is definitely my idea of boring. Now if the Mississippi changes course back down the Atchafalaya Basin, that would be interesting. Jeanette From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 17:27:12 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 6 17:28:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: Well this subsidence makes your point of interest much more likely. Bryan On 6/6/05, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > Watching Lousiana and East Texas subside at 5 feet a century is definitely > my idea of boring. Now if the Mississippi changes course back down the > Atchafalaya Basin, that would be interesting. > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member > > > > Maybe not, I see some reports this morning of geology in action in > > Louisiana and East Texas. There apparently is some new evidence that > > natural subsidence is pulling down southern Louisiana and East Texas > > at a rate of 6 inches/decade (150mm/decade, that's 5 feet a century: > > > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 6 19:12:42 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:11:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology on the Gulf Coast References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2><002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net><007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A><001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000b01c56b06$66471f00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> There is some kind of system in place to keep that from happening, but the possibility is intriguing. We had a "subsidence" quake in Conecuh County about a hundred miles from the coast, a few years ago. Quite a shake for this part of country, created a big crack across one of the highways. It's all this mud and sand sliding down the continental shelf, I suppose. Jeanette > Well this subsidence makes your point of interest much more likely. > > Bryan > > On 6/6/05, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >> Watching Lousiana and East Texas subside at 5 feet a century is >> definitely >> my idea of boring. Now if the Mississippi changes course back down the >> Atchafalaya Basin, that would be interesting. >> Jeanette From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Mon Jun 6 19:13:32 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:13:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Min. of AZ + Utah, NM Message-ID: <20050607021332.D0A43E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Utah Geologic survey has a very fine site: http://www.utahoutdooractivities.com/rock.html (make sure you follow the links) There is a very active NM Yahoo group that will give lots of info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_mexico_rockhounding/ Free info is good: http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/utahgeo/rockmineral/ And one more: http://home.flash.net/~summit1/collect/rockhoundranch.htm David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From jackgraham at gbronline.com Mon Jun 6 19:56:30 2005 From: jackgraham at gbronline.com (Jack Graham) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:56:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> Message-ID: <005e01c56b0c$83d98f20$e9f0bfcf@Homework> I used to live in an area where you could find gray rock. For 50 miles an any direction you could find gray rocks, lots of gray rocks, and nothing but gray rocks. (Grey rocs = tumbled basalt from the Missoula floods) So the fact that you can "occasionally find citrine" puts you in a much more mineral interesting location, even if mine was more "Geologically Interesting" Jack Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Sosso" To: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member > Just a bit about myself: > > I was a casual rockhound from birth, but have been seriously born again > after taking my son to a public mine in Amelia, Virginia three years ago > to dig up amazonite, kyanite, amethyst, citrine, pyrite, and garnets. > (Oh! the garnets.) I am now located in the most geologically boring > section of the United States, but occasionally find citrine, stone > tools, and amethyst sand when panning for gold or walking the back 40. > > Nice list, thanks for keeping it open. > > Peter Sosso > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Mon Jun 6 20:52:21 2005 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Jun 6 20:52:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Western WA folks. In-Reply-To: <20050526013533.A2633E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The 4th of July weekend will find me over in Madras Oregon at the Rockhound Pow Wow! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon From: "rain forest" <rainforest1950@lycos.com> OK, so we are all here. It's too late to plan for the upcoming weekend, but what about the 4th of July? Let's put on our collective caps and come up with a plan. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From afox at drizzle.com Mon Jun 6 20:54:57 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Jun 6 20:55:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Western WA folks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would, but the 4th (for me) often involves early gunfire, then a very drunken BBQ. Supposedly this year it will be topped off with fireworks and nekkid hottubbing. We'll see if it actually happens... a. > The 4th of July weekend will find me over in Madras Oregon at the Rockhound Pow Wow! > > > Dawn Fredricks > Portland Oregon > > > From: "rain forest" <rainforest1950@lycos.com> > OK, so we are all here. It's too late to plan for the upcoming weekend, but what about the 4th of July? Let's put on our collective caps and come up with a plan. > > David Bese > The Rainforest Hippie > Pt. Orchard, Wa. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 7 00:39:49 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 7 00:38:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: Jeanette wrote: Atchafalaya Axel says: gesundheid. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: dinsdag 7 juni 2005 1:36 Aan: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member Watching Lousiana and East Texas subside at 5 feet a century is definitely my idea of boring. Now if the Mississippi changes course back down the Atchafalaya Basin, that would be interesting. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member > Maybe not, I see some reports this morning of geology in action in > Louisiana and East Texas. There apparently is some new evidence that > natural subsidence is pulling down southern Louisiana and East Texas > at a rate of 6 inches/decade (150mm/decade, that's 5 feet a century: > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967 > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 7 01:36:40 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 7 01:35:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, seems like we all have a lot of images to share on the internet ;-))) The main issue in all this is that there is an reciprocal relationship between price of a scanner and the most valued properties of such a device. Most family of tourist photos provide the eye with a familiar image. Our brain is not burdened with the task of recognizing the image and the scan of such an image is therefore easily accepted without much scrutiny. The emotional contents of the image predominates such things as the correctness of color and the shadow details that are visible. Mineral images, on the other hand, have less emotional content or none at all. They have one purpose and that purpose is to be as good an approximation of the depicted specimen as possible. The failure of cheaper scanners becomes blatantly visible when you try to scan images that are far from the kitchen variety shots. These are the things that I find the hardest to scan: a.. monochrome images: fluorescing minerals that show only one or two colors. All the detail lies in the difference in color depth or saturation b.. low contrast: i.e. champagne colored topaz on light grey host rock from Thomas mountains, Juab County, Utah. c.. Dark images: iridescence on lava (Kitty knows) or black hematite d.. Very light images: a spray of ettringite on a crust of white velvety aragonite ... all the detail is in the reflections The best scanner I had was the Epson FilmScan 200. It had some trouble with the monochrome stuff but the rest came out good. It was better than the Nikon coolscan I had in some respects. I'm dreaming about the Microtek i900.... Borderline affordable for hobby purposes ;-))) a good link I'll share with you: http://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN1.HTM -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens John A. Jaszczak Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2005 22:54 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner Rock Upon recommendation by Dan Behnke, the Seaman Mineral Museum purchased a dedicated slide scanner: Microtek ArtixScan 4000tf. We are very happy with it in most respects. It has excellent controls and the color output is excellent. It holds four 35mm slides at a time in the holder, but overall it is a bit slow. Since we don't do 10,000 at a time though I've found it worth the time. Cheers, John ************************************************************* Dr. John A. Jaszczak Associate Professor Adjunct Curator Dept. of Physics A. E. Seaman Mineral Museum Michigan Technological University 1400 Townsend Dr. Houghton, Michigan 49931-1295 phone: (906) 487-2255 fax: (906) 487-2933 http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~jaszczak/ http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~jaszczak/graphite.html *************************************************************** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 7 01:49:41 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 7 01:48:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Well, yes, in this country they get it but if it is considered income >they eventually have to give part of it to the Internal Revenue >Service. Depending on which state you live in it can be over 40% gone >to taxes. There is some talk of abandoning the tax on income and going >to a Value Added Tax. Yes, but say I lent you 50$ and you wanted to pay me back by wiring the money to my account. I would get an invitation from my bank to come over and pay the 2 or 3 $ transaction fee that were not covered by your 50$. Now I use PayPal to go around that problem. I don't remember exactly how much it was but it was something of that magnitude. >Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. Axel in Belgium who sees 44% of what his company pays him (but has healthcare and a pension... that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-))) From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 7 01:57:17 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 7 01:56:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <002101c56aa5$fd323000$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: >They'll get you coming and going, I guess. And up ad down and back and forth... It's like being keelhauled on a working roller coaster: you may get a little dizzy. Axel From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Tue Jun 7 03:59:00 2005 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Tue Jun 7 03:59:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506071058.j57AwwOu028382@cti41.citenet.net> >Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. Axel in Belgium who sees 44% of what his company pays him (but has healthcare and a pension... that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-))) LOL 67% says Kay from Quebec, Canada of what the company pays (but has healthcare, prescription coverage and a pension... Oh and one of the largest government organizations in the world, not to mention ditto for the welfare rolls, that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-(((((((((((((( Kay Ps LOL because if I wasn't laughing I would have to cry From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Tue Jun 7 05:24:20 2005 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Tue Jun 7 05:24:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LOOKING FOR GEM MINE In-Reply-To: <92.284b8c80.2fd5f723@aol.com> References: <92.284b8c80.2fd5f723@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A591F4.8030408@ncmail.net> Redsnappersbite@aol.com wrote: >HELLO I.M PLANNING ON A TRIP TO FRANKLIN NC WOULD ANY ONE KNOW OF ANY GOOD >GEMS MINES THANKS SMITTY IN FLA > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > Smitty, The NC Geological Survey has a list of Gem Mines in North Carolina. Its free. It has phone numbers for 22 commercial site in the state. Contact Paula Maynor at: 919-733-2423 X418 or Paula.Maynor@ncmail.net She can send you a copy of the list. Kenny From everbeek at nac.net Tue Jun 7 05:25:53 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Tue Jun 7 05:26:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member (Gulf Coast is boring?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56b5c$0ca37790$a4e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> There is not much doubt that oil and gas production have contributed to local subsidence and fault offsets of the land surface in the Baytown - Houston area. Withdrawal of ground water has been the real culprit on a regional scale. That's almost certainly why Houston has more active faults by a wide margin than any other area of comparable size along the Gulf Coast. However, when we looked back through the geological record, there still were quite a few faults visible at the land surface on early aerial photographs from the 1930's, when groundwater production was at a minimum. Also, some of the larger faults are clearly visible on topographic maps made in 1912, and some quite prominent faults outside the Houston metro area are in rural parts of the Gulf Coast where little or no fluid production has ever taken place. Not all of the offset of the land surface, then, can be blamed on fluid production -- some of it must be natural. Some of the larger fault scarps, including several in the Baytown area, show a narrow, steep scarp superimposed on a much larger, gentle slope between two otherwise nearly level blocks of land. The narrow scarp is a product of historically recent movement and likely is due in large part to fluid production. The broad, gentle scarps are prehistoric and due to natural fault movements that offset the land surface. There is still controversy over how much fault movement is natural and how much is due to fluid withdrawal, but it's clear that fault movements and subsidence have slowed dramatically since Houston made concerted efforts to go to surface water supplies. Several of us (retirees from USGS and NASA) last year compiled a surface fault map of the Baytown area for publication by the USGS and/or the Harris-Galveston Coastal Subsidence District. No publication date has been set, but at least the information exists and will soon, we hope, be made public. If reference to subsidence I would have to agree that watching land sink at five feet per century can be a little boring. However, the effects of that process, however slow it may appear to us, are dramatic. Much of the Gulf Coast is a nearly flat, level plain. Subsidence can cause local reversals of drainage, much more severe flooding in areas that had not often flooded before, dramatic changes in vegetation as average soil-moisture contents change, etc. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Grant Johnston Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:30 PM To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member Part of that might be because they pumped oil out of that area for over 75 years. We burn it in our cars, use natural gas to heat and generate electricity, and produce thousands of tons of chemicals to use on farms. And Baytown has a cancer epidemic. Grant On 6/6/05, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Maybe not, I see some reports this morning of geology in action in > Louisiana and East Texas. There apparently is some new evidence that > natural subsidence is pulling down southern Louisiana and East Texas > at a rate of 6 inches/decade (150mm/decade, that's 5 feet a century: > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967 > > Isostacy in action? > > Bryan From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 05:56:46 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jun 7 05:57:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm... I take home around 84% of my wages, after taxes. Have a defined benefit retirement plan for which I pay another 3% which gives me a pension of 2% of wages per year worked, pay another 5% or so for a good health plan, better than the European model. And have Social Security to look for on top of that which costs me another 6%. Adding all that up does not come close to a 54% hit on wages. Bryan On 6/7/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Well, yes, in this country they get it but if it is considered income > >they eventually have to give part of it to the Internal Revenue > >Service. Depending on which state you live in it can be over 40% gone > >to taxes. There is some talk of abandoning the tax on income and going > >to a Value Added Tax. > > Yes, but say I lent you 50$ and you wanted to pay me back by wiring the > money to my account. I would get an invitation from my bank to come over and > pay the 2 or 3 $ transaction fee that were not covered by your 50$. Now I > use PayPal to go around that problem. > I don't remember exactly how much it was but it was something of that > magnitude. > > >Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. > > Axel in Belgium who sees 44% of what his company pays him (but has > healthcare and a pension... that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-))) > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 06:04:20 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jun 7 06:04:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology on the Gulf Coast In-Reply-To: <000b01c56b06$66471f00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <001101c56af0$80c4bec0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000b01c56b06$66471f00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: PBS Nova did a show on that system you refer to some years ago where the Corp of Engineers more or less confessed that the right combination of a heavy spring melt in the northern plains combined with a wet year and heavy rains in Louisiana would overtop that dam. Now you have the possible fact that the dam itself is dropping 6 inches a decade and has been for some unknown period of time. Bryan On 6/6/05, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > There is some kind of system in place to keep that from happening, but the > possibility is intriguing. > We had a "subsidence" quake in Conecuh County about a hundred miles from the > coast, a few years ago. Quite a shake for this part of country, created a > big crack across one of the highways. It's all this mud and sand sliding > down the continental shelf, I suppose. > Jeanette > > > > Well this subsidence makes your point of interest much more likely. > > > > Bryan > > > > On 6/6/05, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > >> Watching Lousiana and East Texas subside at 5 feet a century is > >> definitely > >> my idea of boring. Now if the Mississippi changes course back down the > >> Atchafalaya Basin, that would be interesting. > >> Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Paintricks at aol.com Tue Jun 7 08:13:23 2005 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:13:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology on the Gulf Coast Message-ID: I lived in Bayou Vista for years and the water in our canal along all the home sites there shook when that happened. We had reports from several of the residents about it. Doesn't seem possible ther since we have no geology there to speak of. It really is boring. Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tfa at brickengraver.com Thu Jun 2 14:23:11 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:33:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <429F5B18.7040308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050602212305.FNUO14901.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> But when hard drives are now 100 gig, and even portable ones are 60 gig or an Iphot or Flash Trax is 20 to 60 gig, the file size pretty much becomes irrelevent, imho. (see caveat later). Whenever I shoot a picture, I shoot at highest resolution and on raw or tiff format. Later if I want to shrink the size, I can do so or simply delete it. But I might not know what I want to use it for. I recently bought a Flash Trax drive that eliminates much of the hassle of shooting at high res with a limited on camera storeage capacity. Say you have a 512 card, you can get about 35 7.1 megapixel Tiff or raw files on the flash memeory. You then just hook a USB cable from the camera (if it has a por to the flash trax (or iPhoto) and dump them onto it and delete the flash memory and keep on shooting. If the camera does not have a port, you can extract the flash, put it into the adaptor that comes with the Flash Trax or iPhoto, and dump and delete and return to the camera. No need to have a laptop. And with both of them you have the added advantage of being able to carry along music. The iPhoto even has a microphone-speaker add on that you can make digital recording of voice--such as explanining the picture while you are taking it or take a picture and then interview the person or make voice notes about the scene which can then later be integrated with the picture. When shooting at high res, on digital, and you want to crop your picture --you have many more pixels to work with and the resolution holds up much better with major cropping. Now a photog would say--at least a film photog--which I was/am, "you should crop in the camera." True, but sometimes just not possible. I just shot a graduation ceremony and shot everything at high res (7.1 for me) and found that the images hold up much better when you want to crop out some extraneous person, etc The major DISADVANTAGE, and it is big one for me, of digital, is the time lag it takes when shooting at high res to write to the memory. With film, you can click away as fast as you can advance the camera, or a motordrive does it for you, and you are shooting at the highest resolution always. With a digital, you can easily lose the shot while the camera is "busy". Not so with film. But for shooting of static objects, digital is really great as you can bracket extensively, you can try something and see the results. One of the neat things about the Flash Trax and why I bought one, is that once you get onto it, it has a zoom feature so that you can actually see if the picture is sharp. The iPod has no such feature. With both though you can hook it up to a TV and show you pics on a TV to friends--and never even have a computer. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 www.brickengraver.com The search is what anyone would undertake if he were not sunk in the everydayness of his own life. To become aware of the possibility of the search is to be onto something. Not to be onto something is to be in despair. Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Maurice de Graaf Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:17 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! I haven't followed this discussion, or did it just start? Anyway few month ago Dominik Sch?ffli had a very interesting point about digital camera resolution. When that man starts talking about optics, I soon loose track, but he the expert and I'm not. He calculated that any resolution over 2 megapixels is wasted when taking pictures through a microscope. Even the best scopes are below this resolution. You should be able to find his reasoning somewhere on the Midat forum. Some time ago I took some high resolution mineral macro pictures, which were published in Canada. Even at 4 megapixels you are talking at about 10-12 mb files per photo. So the quest for skyhigh megapixels seems not too practicle, unless you make posters. Maurice Jim Daly wrote: >Depends on what you want to do with the pictures. >Professional large-size prints are certainly better with chemical >photography, but if you're going to put the pictures on the web, any >resolution over about 80 DPI is wasted. Even 4X5 or 5X7" prints are >usually adequate from a good digital camera- at least I can't see the >difference. >Jim Daly > >--- Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > >>>Minerals through the microscope: >>> >>> >>http://www.micromounts.com >> States: "The only good news is that really good digital cameras are >>now relatively affordable. This eliminates the major expense of film, >>which tended to add up considering that only a few shots per roll turn >>out to be any good. Film is dead - all hail digital!" >> >>One could always learn how a camera works and then conclude that >>digital photography still has a LONG way to go... Film is very much >>alive for those who want real quality images ;-))) >> >>Axel >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From trustworthy at mailfreeway.com Fri Jun 3 02:11:37 2005 From: trustworthy at mailfreeway.com (Rufus Howell) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:33:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] February Lowest Message-ID: <200506030817.j538HVre020100@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hello, We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate. You have qualified for the lowest rate in years... You could get over $300,000 for as little as $500 a month! Ba(d credit? Doesn't matter, low rates are fixed no matter what! To get a free, no obli,gation consultation click below: http://www.droppedr8z.com/x/loan.php?id=lt1 Best Regards, Rufus Howell to be remov(ed: http://www.droppedr8z.com/x/st.html From rpr at heidelberg.edu Fri Jun 3 05:47:02 2005 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:33:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky quartz In-Reply-To: <20050602184853.5211.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050602184853.5211.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Somewhat similar to the youngster who, in the just-completed national spelling bee, after asking the usual questions like "Can you use it in a sentence?", "What language of origin?", etc., calmly asked "How is it spelled?". That kid's got a future somewhere! Pete >Darn! That messes up a favorite riddle I like to use >on kids: >Q: What's Smokey the Bear's middle name? >A: the >Jim Daly > >--- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > >> Ah actually it's not Smokey the Bear but rather >> Smokey Bear >> >> BK >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From jeanne at rhodes-moen.com Fri Jun 3 08:13:51 2005 From: jeanne at rhodes-moen.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:33:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does jasper run per lb? Message-ID: In preparation for moving back to the States, I just picked up a bunch of Norwegian cutting material. Among this is Norwegian Jasper....some of which might even have what they call Vaskis mixed in...Vaskis has no english name, but is a black, hornblend base w/ pyrite crystals in it. What kind of price does Jasper run in the US per LB? Do you think there would be any interest for Norwegian cutting materials and minerals in the States? Jeanne From kadok at infowest.com Tue Jun 7 08:44:48 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:45:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slide scanner In-Reply-To: <02c401c56ac9$09b00af0$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <20050607154452.C1FDD1E305A@alora.infowest.com> Hi, Rock Sounds like you should have some really excellent slides deserving of high-quality scanning. You should get the best scanner that you can afford. And scan them at the maximum quality -- they will be big files but with DVDs to store them on, that's no problem. And you can always make a cut-down copy for cases where don't need that much definition. It's going to take some time to scan them, but if you really want quality the (faster easier) flat-bed ones just won't do it. Kodachrome is indeed fine-grained; in fact it is essentially grainless. Yes, monster Nikons are heavy (and so are Leicas!) But I've always felt that the quality was worth it. (And I keep mine in a case to keep the sand out! It's sandy around here, too. And can be quite windy.) Point & shoot cameras are fine for shapshots. Good luck, & Cheers! Margaret Margaret, Most of my slides were taken with a Nikon using their micronikor lens which at the time was given pretty high ratings. The mineral pictures were all taken with electronic flash stopped down to f22 to give maximum depth of field. They were all taken with ASA 25 Kodachrome film which was about as fine a grained film as I could get. Although they were taken hand held they were pretty sharp because flash was so quick that it was hard to move the camera fast enough to blur the images. Over the years I have worried about the colors changing in the film, but so far the color seems to have held up pretty well. In my youth I did a lot of photography at various museums with the blessings of various curators and got to be up close and personal with the specimens. Many hours and days were spent at the Smithsonian, British Museum of Natural history, Harvard, Yale, Carnegy, ROM, Canadian National, Bryn Mawr, Sorbonne etc etc. I think they are worth saving. I am soon to get a new computer with two big hard drives and a DVD burner which I think may be necessary to store a lot of the images. One or two K to scan and store the images is not a problem. After about 20 years I got tired of hauling those monster Nikons around the world. Wore out a couple of them to the points where the lenses would rattle in the bayonet mount or grit from fine sand would grind when I focused them. Now I just take one or two of those little point and shoot 35mm jobs that I can carry around in my pocket. This I like a lot because they have their own flash and it is easy to take pictures indoors and you can get it out and take the shot before people know that you even have a camera. I have not done any serious photography of minerals for many years. I have been busy running a mineral business. Any further recommendations and I am all ears. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue Jun 7 08:49:19 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue Jun 7 08:49:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket story! In-Reply-To: <20050602212305.FNUO14901.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <200506071549.j57FnHX0008837@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I just got a Nikon D70 and it powers up from a "cold" start to ready-to-shoot in under 1/2 second. In burst mode I can do 3 frames/second. The trick is to have a fast, and I mean FAST, memory card. I'm using a 1 GB Sandisk Exterme III and it keeps right up with the camera. Mind you, my strobe (an SB-800) can't keep up with that. However, in shooting available light all is grand. Over in the D70 discussion group (on Yahoo) the general consensus seems to be to go with the fastest card you can get. Considering how much you save over shooting on film the difference between a no-name slow card ($50) and the top-of-the-line ($100 [less after rebates!]) isn't very significant. To me, though, the Big Deal with digital is being able to bracket the heck out of my shots. This is especially important shooting minerals, and way WAY important when shooting specimens under ultraviolet illumination. I'll sometimes shoot 8 or so shots at +/- 2 EV and pick the best. I'll also fiddle the white balance to get a realistic image. Doing that on film would get pretty expensive in short order. With Nikon Capture I can even have a "live" USB connection between my camera and my computer, and can control everything from the computer. Slick! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds- > bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Armstrong > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:23 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography. was: I love a good pocket > story! > > > The major DISADVANTAGE, and it is big one for > me, of digital, is the time lag it takes when shooting at high res to > write > to the memory. With film, you can click away as fast as you can advance > the From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Mon Jun 6 13:00:00 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Tue Jun 7 09:29:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava Types References: <20050605050838.96775.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com><42A33038.6A1E@Tomaszewski.net> <002f01c569fe$8f55c620$478a4c0c@fekib> <42A388B7.46AF@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c56a34$5a2a6a60$45a5490c@pete> Message-ID: <42A4AB40.A6FADFB6@gmx.de> And to add more trouble, we spell it differently, "Diabas". Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Peter J. Modreski schrieb: > And I also read in the Glossary > of Geology that in Germany (heaven help us), "diabase" is traditionally used > still differently, there specifically for older basalt, of pre-Tertiary age. > > Pete From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Jun 7 10:05:44 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 7 10:05:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does jasper run per lb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeanne, There is more than likely a good bit of interest. The price would of course depend on the quality of the material. Do you have any pics you could post and give us a link to see some of your samples? Glenn Wimpee >From: Jeanne Rhodes Moen <jeanne@rhodes-moen.com> > >In preparation for moving back to the States, I just picked up a bunch of >Norwegian cutting material. Among this is Norwegian Jasper....some of which >might even have what they call Vaskis mixed in...Vaskis has no english name, >but is a black, hornblend base w/ pyrite crystals in it. What kind of price >does Jasper run in the US per LB? Do you think there would be any interest >for Norwegian cutting materials and minerals in the States? > >Jeanne > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger - it's FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 7 13:12:55 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 7 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <200506071058.j57AwwOu028382@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: LOL = Lamenting Out Loud??? Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kay Davis Verzonden: dinsdag 7 juni 2005 12:59 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography >Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. Axel in Belgium who sees 44% of what his company pays him (but has healthcare and a pension... that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-))) LOL 67% says Kay from Quebec, Canada of what the company pays (but has healthcare, prescription coverage and a pension... Oh and one of the largest government organizations in the world, not to mention ditto for the welfare rolls, that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-(((((((((((((( Kay Ps LOL because if I wasn't laughing I would have to cry _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Redsnappersbite at aol.com Tue Jun 7 13:27:33 2005 From: Redsnappersbite at aol.com (Redsnappersbite@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] e-mail Message-ID: <20b.28b4c68.2fd75d35@aol.com> WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOUR E-MAIL LIST THANK YOU --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Tue Jun 7 14:05:12 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Tue Jun 7 14:23:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2> <002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <1118178312.4978.11.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 22:59 -0500, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United > > States?" > > > > That would have to be the Gulf Coast, as far as anything geological going > on. > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: Well..maybe. Don't forget the petrified wood in Texas and La., the opal in La., the coral in Fla., and the fossils everywhere. And drill cores are the way to get American sulfur xtals (when you are lucky enough to get access to some). It's true that the surface is pretty dull. But around the G.C. are where some excellent Eocene mammal fossils are. The HGMS also has an excellent series of monographs on the Cretaceous and other marine fossils (in Texas). However I will admit that the birds have it over the rocks by far around the Gulf Coast. john From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Jun 7 14:34:06 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Jun 7 14:28:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Book publishing References: <200506070103.j5713gA3001846@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002101c56ba8$a2bcff20$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Tommy Armstrong said: When are you going to publish your book. The kind of book I would like to see published I don't think is practical to publish because the publication costs of paper, image reproduction and binding would put it beyond the means of most. It would have to be something like an encyclopedia with lots of color images and probably alphabetical. Probably it would be better on line at a site like mindat. If a collector, curator or material scientist wanted to know about what was available or possibly available for a particular mineral they could click on that mineral and get an overview of how abundant it is in specimens, how big the crystals get and how abundant they are and then below that would be a description of the specimens that are or have been found at the more important localities for that species along with images. It would try and put in perspective how those specimens compare to those of the same species from other localities, how many have been found, when and what they are worth. In other words to answer the fundamental question that all collectors and curators want to know. Can I get one? what are they worth? and how does the specimen I have or want to buy compare to the best that exist. We spend our lives as collectors learning about these things, but the information is not commonly available and if it exists in print at all it is widely scattered through the literature. Of course it is not possible for one person to write such a book. There is just way too much to investigate and write about. Consider just calcite and quartz. It is quickly apparent that you could never write about all the known quartz and calcite localities and would have to concentrate on only the more important ones. What percentage of all the important quartz and calcite localities that exist have you visited and have some experience with? Probably much less than 1% right? So the people involved in witting or producing such a work would need to find the people who do know about those more interesting quartz and calcite localities and pump them for information about those localities and the specimens that they produce or produced and get some pictures of them. The work would also include instructions for the care and feeding of those specimens, fakes, treatments, good war stories about them etc. Starting to get the picture? No one person could do it all. I have written over 200 pages about most of the A minerals as well as something about the B minerals and little bits about others. Some of the entries are rather skinny and others need more work and of course I need a lot more pictures. How many hundred of you out there want to devote the rest of your lives to such a project? I am not even sure that I do. Rock From jabac at hal-pc.org Tue Jun 7 14:23:12 2005 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (john) Date: Tue Jun 7 14:47:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118179392.4978.12.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 09:39 +0200, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Jeanette wrote: > > Atchafalaya > > Axel says: > > gesundheid. > Pronounced "A-chuffa-lya" by the Cajun folks who live there. john From tfa at brickengraver.com Tue Jun 7 15:26:13 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Jun 7 15:26:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Book publishing In-Reply-To: <002101c56ba8$a2bcff20$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <20050607222613.NXAO1954.imta06a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> When I said "book", did not necessarily mean paper. What I was thinking of something along the lines you are talking about or perhaps something no one has now thought about. You have knowledge and experiences that very few if any have had. But getting those slides into a digital form greatly facilitates any future "publication" whatever that form might be. Technology and bandwidth and computer speeds even 5 years from now will be probably drastically different than today. They are starting to install fiber optic lines to all houses in a subdivision near me--and I live in the middle of nowhere. And essentially my point is that when you go to scan and digitize those chromes, doing the best quality possible--which is pretty darn good today--will insure that that future project will not be held back for lack of quality. A text and graphics database application online, very much like mindat, would be ideal. Today, because of the limitations of download speed, it might be very sluggish unless severe compressions are done to the images. But by the time you finish, the possibilities will be different--no one can really predict where it will go. No one really predicted that the iPOD would so change the way people listen to music. No one predicted 10 years ago, you would be able to carry 25,000 songs on a gizmo the size of a pack of cigarettes with quality that rivals the best available then. I developed a database for mineral collections and thought about the whole resolution-speed thing and decided that I wanted to store the original large file images and then just link to them. I wanted to be able to save that file, and then if I got better at Photoshop or whatever, that I could then simply open it and edit it. It automatically names the files with enough information to identify it (mineral,locality data, specimen number if any) so that even if the rest of the stuff disappears because of version changes, etc. the images will still be cataloged. If one wants it to "load faster", one can then create a smaller compressed version for screen viewing. But when things get faster and storage gets larger, the original " digital chromes" are still there to be printed, etc. (Of course I have very few specimens in my collection worthy of such effort--but who knows what will be important in 100 years). I decided to write it as a Microsoft Office application as I am confidant there will always be an upgrade path--at least it will always be readable as long as MS is in business--after all Office is their cash cow and will likely never be done away with by them. I have pretty much given up on trying to sell the thing--which is fine since it was originally created for a museum and an exercise for me. I learned a good deal and have incorporated some of its features into my other program. I could not really support it in a fashion that I would feel obligated. But, I just found that incredibly useful program GOTOMYPC ( www.gotomypc.com) which enables you to work on your home computer anywhere in the world as long as you have internet access. Very kewl. So one could be sitting at the beach and log in and add a few rocks to the database. You could actually be in say Arizona, shoot some pics, transfer them to your computer at home, write a description, etc. and when get home it would all be there. Remote computing for the neophyte. With it you can invite guests to your own computer and show them how to do things or what capabilities there are. I am definitely thinking of using this very useful new technology for demos of my other program I have developed (that might actually have a real market). If anyone would like to see the mineral database in action, drop me a line off list and we can set up a "visit". It has a chat program but easier to be on the telephone on speaker while doing it. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 www.brickengraver.com The search is what anyone would undertake if he were not sunk in the everydayness of his own life. To become aware of the possibility of the search is to be onto something. Not to be onto something is to be in despair. Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:34 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Book publishing Tommy Armstrong said: When are you going to publish your book. The kind of book I would like to see published I don't think is practical to publish because the publication costs of paper, image reproduction and binding would put it beyond the means of most. It would have to be something like an encyclopedia with lots of color images and probably alphabetical. Probably it would be better on line at a site like mindat. If a collector, curator or material scientist wanted to know about what was available or possibly available for a particular mineral they could click on that mineral and get an overview of how abundant it is in specimens, how big the crystals get and how abundant they are and then below that would be a description of the specimens that are or have been found at the more important localities for that species along with images. It would try and put in perspective how those specimens compare to those of the same species from other localities, how many have been found, when and what they are worth. In other words to answer the fundamental question that all collectors and curators want to know. Can I get one? what are they worth? and how does the specimen I have or want to buy compare to the best that exist. We spend our lives as collectors learning about these things, but the information is not commonly available and if it exists in print at all it is widely scattered through the literature. Of course it is not possible for one person to write such a book. There is just way too much to investigate and write about. Consider just calcite and quartz. It is quickly apparent that you could never write about all the known quartz and calcite localities and would have to concentrate on only the more important ones. What percentage of all the important quartz and calcite localities that exist have you visited and have some experience with? Probably much less than 1% right? So the people involved in witting or producing such a work would need to find the people who do know about those more interesting quartz and calcite localities and pump them for information about those localities and the specimens that they produce or produced and get some pictures of them. The work would also include instructions for the care and feeding of those specimens, fakes, treatments, good war stories about them etc. Starting to get the picture? No one person could do it all. I have written over 200 pages about most of the A minerals as well as something about the B minerals and little bits about others. Some of the entries are rather skinny and others need more work and of course I need a lot more pictures. How many hundred of you out there want to devote the rest of your lives to such a project? I am not even sure that I do. Rock _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From ronwinter at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 18:14:56 2005 From: ronwinter at comcast.net (Ron Winter) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:11:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Western WA folks. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A64690.1000107@comcast.net> No fair making your own bubbles! Aaron Fox wrote: >I would, but the 4th (for me) often involves early gunfire, then a very >drunken BBQ. Supposedly this year it will be topped off with fireworks and >nekkid hottubbing. We'll see if it actually happens... > >a. > > > >>The 4th of July weekend will find me over in Madras Oregon at the Rockhound Pow Wow! >> >> >>Dawn Fredricks >>Portland Oregon >> >> >>From: "rain forest" <rainforest1950@lycos.com> >>OK, so we are all here. It's too late to plan for the upcoming weekend, but what about the 4th of July? Let's put on our collective caps and come up with a plan. >> >>David Bese >>The Rainforest Hippie >>Pt. Orchard, Wa. >> >> >> >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>text/html (html body -- converted) >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> > > > -- Regards, Ron Winter Auburn, Washington From amc358 at rcn.com Tue Jun 7 18:26:32 2005 From: amc358 at rcn.com (Albert McCann) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:26:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] LOOKING FOR GEM MINE In-Reply-To: <42A591F4.8030408@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <3u3gb7$1dhp09@smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Here is a place to start looking for Frankin NC collecting locations: http://www.franklin-chamber.com/visitorInformation/gemMining.asp Al McCann > -----Original Message----- > Redsnappersbite@aol.com wrote: > > >HELLO I.M PLANNING ON A TRIP TO FRANKLIN NC WOULD ANY ONE > KNOW OF ANY GOOD GEMS MINES THANKS SMITTY IN FLA From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Jun 7 21:21:27 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:21:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member References: Message-ID: <003201c56be1$8a533650$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Tangkou....... China... Jeanette List Member > Jeanette wrote: > > Atchafalaya > > Axel says: > > gesundheid. > > > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Jun 7 21:29:44 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:29:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography References: <200506071058.j57AwwOu028382@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: <003e01c56be2$b2458a90$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Glenn (actually Jeanette) gets to see 70% of his income, and has healthcare coverage, prescription coverage and a pension plan(3), then that 70% goes to bills. He might see 1% of it in his pocket :-((( Jeanette > >>Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. > > Axel in Belgium who sees 44% of what his company pays him (but has > healthcare and a pension... that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it > ;-))) > > LOL 67% says Kay from Quebec, Canada of what the company pays (but has > healthcare, prescription coverage and a pension... Oh and one of the > largest > government organizations in the world, not to mention ditto for the > welfare > rolls, that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-(((((((((((((( > > Kay > > Ps LOL because if I wasn't laughing I would have to cry From MCGINNISG at aol.com Tue Jun 7 21:59:32 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:59:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds Message-ID: At a local Saturday Market, a dealer offered Faceted Herkimer Diamonds for sale. Easily distinguishable and far more valuable than any quartz, or so he said. When I asked how to tell the difference from crystal quartz, he said he would have to show me but had no faceted common quartz to compare it with. He claimed Faceted Herkimer Diamonds were far more brilliant and dispersed light greater than any other quartz. I neglected to asked him if he had moon rocks or unicorns for sale. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Jun 7 22:44:02 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 7 22:44:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2><002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net><007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <1118178312.4978.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <00da01c56bed$1349c4f0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 22:59 -0500, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >> > >> > Where exactly is, "the most geologically boring section of the United >> > States?" >> > >> >> That would have to be the Gulf Coast, as far as anything geological going >> on. >> Jeanette >> John wrote > Well..maybe. > > Don't forget the petrified wood in Texas and La., the opal in La., the > coral in Fla., and the fossils everywhere. And drill cores are the way > to get American sulfur xtals (when you are lucky enough to get access to > some). > > It's true that the surface is pretty dull. But around the G.C. are where > some excellent Eocene mammal fossils are. > > The HGMS also has an excellent series of monographs on the Cretaceous > and other marine fossils (in Texas). > > However I will admit that the birds have it over the rocks by far around > the Gulf Coast. > Well, by Gulf Coast I mean the COAST, not the coastal states, there's lots to find inland. Here smack dab on the edge of the Gulf, we have sand, mud, red clay, black muck, grey dirt, and sandstone. We get hurricanes that transform our shoreline and rearrange the flora. We have shells. The delta is an interesting place, but I don't know if it would be classified as a geological phenomenon. Other than sandstone, we're totally devoid of rocks until you get further inland where you can find some pretty quartz gravel. Maybe I used clarify that statement, and say Mobile County is boring geologically. I don't count the oil deposits.... Jeanette From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Jun 7 22:50:19 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 7 22:50:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) References: <000001c56b5c$0ca37790$a4e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <00e401c56bed$f40dbf50$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I'd love to see the fault lines in the Houston area. Can you find one on the topo maps at Terraserver or Topozone, copy the coordinates and send them to me?? Are these from subsidence of the land mass over the continental shelf, or faults deeper into the bedrock. Don't know how to ask that in geological terms, I'm not a geologists, just an interested rock hound. Speaking of flat land....you get an appreciation for the relative "flatness" of the land from 30,000 feet up. I got some great pictures of the land forms on our flight to Salt Lake City. I was lucky enough to get an airplane that was a newer model and the windows were very clean and clear. I purposefully chose (free seating on Southwest) the side of the plane away from the sun so I could virtually hang out the window and take shots. IF anyone is interested in landforms from way up high, take a look. The photos are the low res versions for faster viewing. Warning: There are 133 photos taken during the flight from New Orleans to Salt Lake City, and I didn't start taking photos until we passed Houston. http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=51251225 Jeanette > > However, when we looked back through the geological record, there still > were > quite a few faults visible at the land surface on early aerial photographs > from the 1930's, when groundwater production was at a minimum. Also, some > of the larger faults are clearly visible on topographic maps made in 1912, > and some quite prominent faults outside the Houston metro area are in > rural > parts of the Gulf Coast where little or no fluid production has ever taken > place. Not all of the offset of the land surface, then, can be blamed on > fluid production -- some of it must be natural. > > Some of the larger fault scarps, including several in the Baytown area, > show > a narrow, steep scarp superimposed on a much larger, gentle slope between > two otherwise nearly level blocks of land. The narrow scarp is a product > of > historically recent movement and likely is due in large part to fluid > production. The broad, gentle scarps are prehistoric and due to natural > fault movements that offset the land surface. There is still controversy > over how much fault movement is natural and how much is due to fluid > withdrawal, but it's clear that fault movements and subsidence have slowed > dramatically since Houston made concerted efforts to go to surface water > supplies. > > Several of us (retirees from USGS and NASA) last year compiled a surface > fault map of the Baytown area for publication by the USGS and/or the > Harris-Galveston Coastal Subsidence District. No publication date has > been > set, but at least the information exists and will soon, we hope, be made > public. > From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 7 23:48:33 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Tue Jun 7 23:48:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: <000101c56a21$b0e7bf50$57e91a3f@chew2><002e01c56a11$cb8e0e00$6400a8c0@mshome.net><007d01c56a4c$273a5440$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A><1118178312.4978.11.camel@localhost> <00da01c56bed$1349c4f0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000b01c56bf6$17339330$78f1edc1@mpc1> > Well, by Gulf Coast I mean the COAST, not the coastal states, there's lots > to find inland. Here smack dab on the edge of the Gulf, we have sand, mud, > red clay, black muck, grey dirt, and sandstone. We get hurricanes that > transform our shoreline and rearrange the flora. Sounds like Norfolk (UK). Without the hurricanes. Even collecting pebbles off the beaches is illegal (they help prevent the sea washing away the clay...) Oddly, there are a lot of passionate mineral collectors in the county. Mick From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 8 00:50:48 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 8 00:50:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography In-Reply-To: <003e01c56be2$b2458a90$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: >Glenn (actually Jeanette) gets to see 70% of his income, and has healthcare >coverage, prescription coverage and a pension plan(3), then that 70% goes to >bills. He might see 1% of it in his pocket :-((( >Jeanette So, in practice, if Glenn buys a rock he has to eat it? I guess I'd better stop complaining then ;-)))) Axel From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 8 01:02:01 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 8 01:02:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member In-Reply-To: <003201c56be1$8a533650$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: You' re Welcombe.... (Just below Hartland Point, between Clovelly and Kilkhampton, Cornwall, Merry Old England) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: woensdag 8 juni 2005 6:21 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] New List Member Tangkou....... China... Jeanette List Member > Jeanette wrote: > > Atchafalaya > > Axel says: > > gesundheid. > > > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 8 01:26:24 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 8 01:26:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I used to smoke 50 or so cigarettes a day... 4 years ago I stopped smoking. My dear wife, bless her, let's me keep the money that I used to puff away. Quite an impressive amount on a yearly basis, I might say. So, aside from what the Belgian State plucks of my back: hobby-wise I'm actually on a fixed income. ;-))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: dinsdag 7 juni 2005 14:57 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds]Digital Photography Hmmm... I take home around 84% of my wages, after taxes. Have a defined benefit retirement plan for which I pay another 3% which gives me a pension of 2% of wages per year worked, pay another 5% or so for a good health plan, better than the European model. And have Social Security to look for on top of that which costs me another 6%. Adding all that up does not come close to a 54% hit on wages. Bryan On 6/7/05, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Well, yes, in this country they get it but if it is considered income > >they eventually have to give part of it to the Internal Revenue > >Service. Depending on which state you live in it can be over 40% gone > >to taxes. There is some talk of abandoning the tax on income and going > >to a Value Added Tax. > > Yes, but say I lent you 50$ and you wanted to pay me back by wiring the > money to my account. I would get an invitation from my bank to come over and > pay the 2 or 3 $ transaction fee that were not covered by your 50$. Now I > use PayPal to go around that problem. > I don't remember exactly how much it was but it was something of that > magnitude. > > >Grant Johnston in California where state income taxes can be 13%. > > Axel in Belgium who sees 44% of what his company pays him (but has > healthcare and a pension... that has to come from somewhere, hasn't it ;-))) > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Lapidry at aol.com Wed Jun 8 04:18:28 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 04:18:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds Message-ID: Those of us who both facet and live where we can get damaged Herkimers to cut for free do tend to think they produce a brighter stone than most regular quartz. Herks tend to be clearer than most quartz. I'd agree with him on that point as a general rule. If you take anyone who's hunted herks a while and hand him double terminated crystals from some other place, he can tell you they aren't herks almost every time. He doesn't even have to have a real herk close by for comparison. I saw a dealer at the Buffalo show this year who had stuff from China the exact same crystal habit as herks. Closest I'd seen to herks. He even had them labeled in large letters "Herkimers" then in much smaller letters "from China." I knew before I noticed the smaller print that they weren't real herks. They were 7 for $5 so I picked out 21 of the best I could find just to show the difference between the two. They even had black inclusions in many like the anthraxolite inclusions herks can have. There was only one in the batch that came close to really passing for a herk and I was trying to pick the closest I could find. One of the other dealers at the show has hunted herks for decades. I made a point of showing him. He agreed that it was the only one he'd ever seen that would have fooled him. They really are clearer and brighter than the vast majority of normal quartz. Now, as far as greater light dispersion...I'd say a little better, due to the better than normal clearness. As far as far greater value... well, I guess value is what someone is willing to pay. Someone with an attachment to herks or a New Age person might assign a greater value. Not a whole lot of people go around mounting clear colorless quartz in jewelry so the market - and value - for regular quartz is very limited. You'd be hard pressed to pay more than a couple dollars for a regular faceted quartz that's only a few carats. On the other hand, I could see someone asking $20-30 for the same thing if it's from Herkimer. Kind of like real estate - the most important three things, location, location and location. It probably means it was cut by hand here in the US since I'm unaware of any mass exportation of herks for cutting. That doesn't mean someone isn't doing it. It's also probably a much better quality cut than the jam peg crap from Asia. This would lead to part of the better brilliance and light dispersion. It probably took someone here in the US at least two hours to cut instead of the 15-20 minutes for jam peg. Would you bother to cut a stone on your $1000+ machine with it's $100+ laps that took you two hours to do for less than $20-30? The market probably wouldn't support $50-60. You didn't mention what the dealer was asking though. Well, just the opinion of a biased Herkimer fanatic.... I hope I don't have the Arkansas folks or anyone else all upset. You won't find a 2 foot plate of Herkimers very often - if ever. Inch and a half nearly flawless crystals from Herkimer are pretty rare too. My daughter pointed out a boulder last month she wanted me to bust up for her. It had one in it. I could count on one hand the number of crystals that size and quality that we've found in at least a hundred trips there. I've found them up to 7 lbs but they're crap by then. Even my 2-3 inch crystals all have fractures or damaged terminations. Dan In a message dated 6/8/2005 1:00:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, MCGINNISG@aol.com writes: At a local Saturday Market, a dealer offered Faceted Herkimer Diamonds for sale. Easily distinguishable and far more valuable than any quartz, or so he said. When I asked how to tell the difference from crystal quartz, he said he would have to show me but had no faceted common quartz to compare it with. He claimed Faceted Herkimer Diamonds were far more brilliant and dispersed light greater than any other quartz. I neglected to asked him if he had moon rocks or unicorns for sale. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jun 8 06:26:15 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jun 8 06:28:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050608062023.025c6100@mail.spiritone.com> Why don't you believe this? I have seen many faceted stones from Herkimer, Clear Lake CA, and other famous "water clear" quartz localities. They do have outstanding color, greater dispersion, a more favorable RI (due to very few to no impurities in the quartz), and of course AAA clarity. Hardly any other US localities have these qualities. Have you ever seen a faceted Spruce Claim quartz? (eeeew!) If I faceted natural quartz (which I do, but it is all smoky), I would look to large, water clear overseas quartz rough first, which is comparable to the quality of Herkimer and Clear Lake crystals. Your dealer is absolutely correct. At 09:59 PM 6/7/2005, you wrote: >At a local Saturday Market, a dealer offered Faceted Herkimer Diamonds for >sale. >Easily distinguishable and far more valuable than any quartz, or so he said. >When I asked how to tell the difference from crystal quartz, he said he >would have to show me but had no faceted common quartz to compare it with. >He >claimed Faceted Herkimer Diamonds were far more brilliant and dispersed >light >greater than any other quartz. >I neglected to asked him if he had moon rocks or unicorns for sale. > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 8 07:16:16 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Jun 8 07:13:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds References: Message-ID: <00a201c56c34$a32160a0$588a4c0c@fekib> When we first started digging Herkimers, my wife took a perfect, clear one to a jeweler to have it mounted into a tie tack for me. What a disappointment! It then became just quartz. The true beauty of the Herkimer crystal became lost when the crystal form was partially hidden by the enclosure. The attraction of the Herkimers has more to do with the crystal perfection and habit than with RI, at least to me. BTW, there are many Herks that are large AND perfect. The old Benchmark Quarry in St. Johnsville has always and continues to produce very large, perfect crystals, up to 10 cm in length. You don't see them often because the quarry is strictly off-limits and collecting is prohibited. For several years the manager placed the crystal containing boulders aside for clubs to break up on selected dates, but that has also been discouraged the last few years. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds > At a local Saturday Market, a dealer offered Faceted Herkimer Diamonds for > sale. > Easily distinguishable and far more valuable than any quartz, or so he said. > When I asked how to tell the difference from crystal quartz, he said he > would have to show me but had no faceted common quartz to compare it with. He > claimed Faceted Herkimer Diamonds were far more brilliant and dispersed light > greater than any other quartz. > I neglected to asked him if he had moon rocks or unicorns for sale. > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From s.eva at localport.it Wed Jun 8 07:38:08 2005 From: s.eva at localport.it (S.Eva) Date: Wed Jun 8 07:36:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c56c37$b0502290$8300a8c0@EVA> Hello! My name is Eva and I've just got my subscription to this list. I am not a rockhound, I am a crystal healer and I subscribed to this list to learn more about crystal, in a scientific way. I am 29, from the North of Italy. My favourite crystals are quartz (clear, citrine, smoky and amethyst), rodhocrosite, charoite, apatite and selenite, etc. I have many specimen in my study... I use them to heal, to meditate. Well... I hope you will welcome me for I'm sure I have much to learn from all of you. Greetings! Eva From Lapidry at aol.com Wed Jun 8 07:38:22 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 07:38:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2005 10:14:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, LarryRush@worldnet.att.net writes: The true beauty of the Herkimer crystal became lost when the crystal form was partially hidden by the enclosure. The attraction of the Herkimers has more to do with the crystal perfection and habit than with RI, at least to me. Larry: I would absolutely agree that you should never cut a good crystal. That goes for any material, not just herks. And yes, leaving them in matrix is the way to go. It drives me up the wall to see a kid at one of the herk locations armed with his screw driver so he can pry those crystals out. Usually in pieces. You do have times though that you have a large, clear piece of crystal that's lucky to have a face or two out of 18, doesn't really have much other use in life except for cutting and would be tossed by most people. Many of the diggers will toss such pieces where kids will find them. I keep them. They're great when you want to work out that new cut you've never done before. I'd love to see those large crystals from Benchmark. I used to hunt there too, when they had the one day a month digs and before that. Even the crystals they had in the office weren't that outstanding by the time they got up to 3-4 inches. I've never seen one that large without at least a feather fracture or damaged termination. It would be a real treat to see something that large and flawless from Herkimer. One of my most unusual crystal habits came from there. Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 07:51:18 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Wed Jun 8 07:51:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <000b01c56bf6$17339330$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: <20050608145118.53971.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> There are cool rocks just 20 miles form you. Great crystals and with odd crystal habbits and chemistries. they just happen to be ..... straight down. ;-) --- Mick Cooper wrote: > > Well, by Gulf Coast I mean the COAST, not the > coastal states, there's lots > > to find inland. Here smack dab on the edge of the > Gulf, we have sand, mud, > > red clay, black muck, grey dirt, and sandstone. We > get hurricanes that > > transform our shoreline and rearrange the flora. > > Sounds like Norfolk (UK). Without the hurricanes. > Even collecting pebbles > off the beaches is illegal (they help prevent the > sea washing away the > clay...) Oddly, there are a lot of passionate > mineral collectors in the > county. > > Mick > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 09:00:30 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jun 8 09:00:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography Message-ID: Actually, I do taste many of them just to keep my body's mineral level high. Glenn >From: "Axel Emmermann" <axel.emmermann@pandora.be> > > >Glenn (actually Jeanette) gets to see 70% of his income, and has healthcare > >coverage, prescription coverage and a pension plan(3), then that 70% goes >to > >bills. He might see 1% of it in his pocket :-((( > >Jeanette > > >So, in practice, if Glenn buys a rock he has to eat it? I guess I'd better >stop complaining then ;-)))) > >Axel > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail and documents on your PC instantly with the new MSN Search Toolbar–FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 8 10:02:45 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 10:02:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <060820051702.25066.42A724B500078EFA000061EA2197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> What????? 20 miles straight down!!?? Have you been looking at drill cores or something?? Got pictures?? Jeanette > There are cool rocks just 20 miles form you. Great > crystals and with odd crystal habbits and chemistries. > they just happen to be ..... straight down. ;-) > > > > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 8 10:12:46 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 10:12:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New List Member Message-ID: <060820051712.9048.42A7270E000317BD000023582197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> chuckle chuckle chuckle Gimme a day or two.... Jeanette > > Jeanette wrote: > > > > Atchafalaya > > > > Axel says: > > > > gesundheid. > > Jeanette said....> > > Tangkou....... > > China... > Axel says.... > You' re Welcombe.... > > (Just below Hartland Point, between Clovelly and Kilkhampton, Cornwall, > Merry Old England) > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 8 10:17:45 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 10:17:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <060820051717.12183.42A72839000807EE00002F972197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Maybe we "minerally" challenged or rather "rock" deprived people appreciate what we can't take for granite.... hmm....don't know if that translates correctly... Jeanette > > Sounds like Norfolk (UK). Without the hurricanes. Even collecting pebbles > off the beaches is illegal (they help prevent the sea washing away the > clay...) Oddly, there are a lot of passionate mineral collectors in the > county. > > Mick > From xossfs at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 10:21:47 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Wed Jun 8 10:21:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <060820051702.25066.42A724B500078EFA000061EA2197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050608172147.30602.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> nope seismic. Lots of Siesmic. I can saee crystaline basement at "15 seconds TWT - (Two Way Time)" so I know it is there. shist and granite and volcanics and all the good stuff. Just can't seem to get my hands on it. ;-O --- geenet2@mchsi.com wrote: > What????? 20 miles straight down!!?? Have you been > looking at drill cores or > something?? Got pictures?? > Jeanette > > > > There are cool rocks just 20 miles form you. > Great > > crystals and with odd crystal habbits and > chemistries. > > they just happen to be ..... straight down. ;-) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From morningstar at att.net Wed Jun 8 10:49:05 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Wed Jun 8 10:47:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? Message-ID: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Howdy, So does anyone here collect in what I have learned is the *inland* NW? For example, Latah County, ID? SE Washington, NE Oregon (it all comes together at a point?) Also, what are people trying to collect? I get the impression a lot of people up there collect agates, petrified wood, and gemstone material. I already know some spots, but the material I saw was mostly of interest to micro collectors and people who like things such as columnar basalt, breccias, copper secondaries from an old mine dump, things like that. There are star garnets available, but I'll find their locality later. Any thoughts? Don From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Jun 8 09:18:31 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:19:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? References: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <001f01c56c45$be102700$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Don, Emerald Creek opened for garnet fee digging Memorial Day weekend. See http://www.fs.fed.us/ipnf/rec/activities/garnets/ Lanny Ream's "The Gem and Mineral Collector's Guide to Idaho" and/or "Idaho Minerals" are both good resources. We're in Benewah County but within a short drive we find schorl tourmaline, staurolite, kyanite, mica, quartz, etc. There are plant fossils up the road near Clarkia. Julie and I hit the ID/OR border in April for p. wood, agate and some of the coolest jasper I've ever seen. Brought back a truckload. Trip report is (slowly) in the works. John > So does anyone here collect in what I have learned is the *inland* NW? For example, Latah County, ID? SE Washington, NE Oregon (it all comes together at a point?) > > Also, what are people trying to collect? From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Wed Jun 8 11:02:16 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:10:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme Message-ID: <000a01c56c5d$b4c95960$854027c4@privatehome> Hi list, Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From agesilaus at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 12:20:01 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:20:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme In-Reply-To: <000a01c56c5d$b4c95960$854027c4@privatehome> References: <000a01c56c5d$b4c95960$854027c4@privatehome> Message-ID: Encarta is the MS Encylopedia application, are you sure that's what you want? Any of tha mapping programs (Delorme's products for one) will give you latitude and longitude and there web based mapping programs like topozone and I think google maps that do the same. Bryan On 6/8/05, Horst Windisch wrote: > Hi list, > > Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. > > Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. > > The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. > > I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? > > Regards, > Horst > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Wed Jun 8 12:29:01 2005 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:29:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme In-Reply-To: <000a01c56c5d$b4c95960$854027c4@privatehome> Message-ID: <200506081929.j58JSxOu066660@cti41.citenet.net> Horst, If you go to http://www.microsoft.com/products/encarta/default.mspx you can get much more information on Encarta packages. For a side by side comparison go to http://www.microsoft.com/products/encarta/choose.aspx Kay -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Horst Windisch Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:02 PM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme Hi list, Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tfa at brickengraver.com Wed Jun 8 12:59:25 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:59:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme In-Reply-To: <200506081929.j58JSxOu066660@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: <20050608195920.PXQH14901.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> Sounds like a deal for $27,95 from Amazon.com I think I will pick one up also. There is a major advantage in having a reference on dvd instead of always relying on the web. 1.8 million map locations. "If you're a big enough fool to climb a tree and like a cat refuse to come down, then someone who loves you has to make as big a fool of himself to rescue you." W Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kay Davis Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:29 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme Horst, If you go to http://www.microsoft.com/products/encarta/default.mspx you can get much more information on Encarta packages. For a side by side comparison go to http://www.microsoft.com/products/encarta/choose.aspx Kay -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Horst Windisch Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:02 PM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] ENCARTA Programme Hi list, Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jun 8 13:33:30 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:35:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? In-Reply-To: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B 9C090207029D0103@att.net> References: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050608132854.025bc600@mail.spiritone.com> As others will tell you, Pullburg/MooseCow/Lewis&Clarkston is the home of micro junk :-D That said, there are some "SECRET" picture jasper & precious opal localities which the Lewiston Club might relinquish IF you kiss enough aged keister. There is some corundum to the east, sillemnite around Peck, and interesting stuff north & east of the garnet area. Go FISHING, it's what people do there during the summer, I did it for 4 years, you can too! The upper St. Joe is just getting good this week! At 10:49 AM 6/8/2005, you wrote: >Howdy, > >So does anyone here collect in what I have learned is the *inland* >NW? For example, Latah County, ID? SE Washington, NE Oregon (it all >comes together at a point?) > >Also, what are people trying to collect? I get the impression a lot of >people up there collect agates, petrified wood, and gemstone material. I >already know some spots, but the material I saw was mostly of interest to >micro collectors and people who like things such as columnar basalt, >breccias, copper secondaries from an old mine dump, things like >that. There are star garnets available, but I'll find their locality later. > >Any thoughts? > > >Don Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 8 15:29:02 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 8 15:27:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimer Diamonds References: Message-ID: <42A770E0.70A1@Tomaszewski.net> Your dealer friend was right. Herk's tend to be unusually clear and brilliant, which leads to their being more valuable. Kreigh MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > At a local Saturday Market, a dealer offered Faceted Herkimer Diamonds for > sale. > Easily distinguishable and far more valuable than any quartz, or so he said. > When I asked how to tell the difference from crystal quartz, he said he > would have to show me but had no faceted common quartz to compare it with. He > claimed Faceted Herkimer Diamonds were far more brilliant and dispersed light > greater than any other quartz. > I neglected to asked him if he had moon rocks or unicorns for sale. From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 17:46:18 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jun 8 17:46:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <20050608172147.30602.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 20 miles, huh? Doesn't the crust average around 18 miles? Sounded real deep to me so I checked google, and 20 miles would put your bit in the mantle. That would produce something of interest for sure! Glenn  :} >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > >nope seismic. Lots of Siesmic. I can saee crystaline >basement at "15 seconds TWT - (Two Way Time)" so I >know it is there. shist and granite and volcanics and >all the good stuff. Just can't seem to get my hands >on it. ;-O > >--- geenet2@mchsi.com wrote: > > > What????? 20 miles straight down!!?? Have you been > > looking at drill cores or > > something?? Got pictures?? > > Jeanette > > > > > > > There are cool rocks just 20 miles form you. > > Great > > > crystals and with odd crystal habbits and > > chemistries. > > > they just happen to be ..... straight down. ;-) > > > \>Stephen F. Stover ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 8 19:50:05 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 8 19:48:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to the list References: <003501c56c37$b0502290$8300a8c0@EVA> Message-ID: <42A7ADE9.16BF@Tomaszewski.net> Welcome Eva! I think you will find this List an interesting place to learn about the various facets of Rockhounding, and related areas of interest. Please don't be afraid to ask questions -- this List is a place to learn, and questions keep it going. I am somewhat partial to specimens of Gypsum (var. Selenite) because it was mined in my community for over a century (but recently closed). I would be interested in hearing any lore about Selenite you would care to share -- everyone on this List learns when we share our unique knowledge. Thank you for the introduction. Kreigh S.Eva wrote: > > Hello! > My name is Eva and I've just got my subscription to this list. > I am not a rockhound, I am a crystal healer and I subscribed to this list to > learn more about crystal, in a scientific way. > I am 29, from the North of Italy. > My favourite crystals are quartz (clear, citrine, smoky and amethyst), > rodhocrosite, charoite, apatite and selenite, etc. > I have many specimen in my study... I use them to heal, to meditate. > > Well... I hope you will welcome me for I'm sure I have much to learn from > all of you. > > Greetings! > Eva From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 8 19:59:42 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Jun 8 19:59:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: <20050608172147.30602.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c56c9f$4910ba00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Where are you doing this? Found any hot spots?? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Stover" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > nope seismic. Lots of Siesmic. I can saee crystaline > basement at "15 seconds TWT - (Two Way Time)" so I > know it is there. shist and granite and volcanics and > all the good stuff. Just can't seem to get my hands > on it. ;-O From jonee at epix.net Wed Jun 8 20:51:36 2005 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Wed Jun 8 20:51:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] e-mail In-Reply-To: <20b.28b4c68.2fd75d35@aol.com> References: <20b.28b4c68.2fd75d35@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A7BCC8.8070605@epix.net> Redsnappersbite@aol.com wrote: >WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOUR E-MAIL LIST THANK YOU > > > >---->Subscription Services: > From kahako at verizon.net Wed Jun 8 21:09:50 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Jun 8 21:10:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] charcoal made by lava Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050605190026.026503b0@incoming.verizon.net> Hi List, I made another trip to the lava fields yesterday and found a tree mold partially filled with chunks of charcoal. The chunks are firm and hard. The lava flow was in 1979 so this burned wood has been exposed to the elements for over 1/4 of a century and does not seem fragile or deteriorated at all. I tried drawing with one chunk on a pad of paper, and it would make an excellent artist's medium! For those who don't know what a tree mold is, it's a mound of lava with a hole in it where a tree once stood; the lava flowed around the tree, which obviously burned up. The inside of the hole often has a different color---usually yellow-orange---and it may have details that are a clear enough imprint of the tree trunk to be able to tell if the tree was a palm or an ohia (a native tree that's a relative of the New Zealand rata). I was surprised to find that there was any residue of the tree wood at all, considering the high temperature of lava. So I looked up charcoal and found ( http://www.velvitoil.com/Charmake.htm ) that it is made via a direct method such as a pit or kiln, or an indirect method like a retort or furnace. I'm not sure I understood it all, but the important thing I observed is that regulation of oxygen is important. If you just burn wood in the open air, you end up with ashes, not charcoal. It seems to me that even wet, live wood will leave very little residue when it is burned in high heat. So I'm wondering how the air could be limited enough to allow for the formation of charcoal. These chunks were not way down in the bottom of the hole: they were right up on the top where there would have been plenty of air. The USGS Photo Glossary ( http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Products/Pglossary/treemold2.html ) actually says "the trunk was burned away or turned to charcoal" but I don't see how charcoal would form with plenty of air circulation. I hope this isn't a stupid question, but can anyone explain to me how that happened? Aloha, Kitty From MCGINNISG at aol.com Wed Jun 8 23:13:34 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 23:13:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimers Message-ID: <157.527174d4.2fd9380e@aol.com> Sure if you compare High quality Faceted Herkimers with ordinary clear quartz you may see some difference. But if compared to High quality Rock Crystal, like the good stuff you get out of Brazil and many other countries, to Herkimers, virtually no difference is visible. If your going to all the trouble to facet quartz, it make sense to use only the best and highest quality quartz available. If you take one faceted Herkimer and mix it in with 10 faceted High quality Rock crystal, assuming they are all the same size and shape, I seriously doubt you would be able to fine it. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Thu Jun 9 01:23:22 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Thu Jun 9 01:18:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perfect 10 cm herkimers References: <200506090105.j5915d9f010630@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <003e01c56ccc$802b3290$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Larry said: BTW, there are many Herks that are large AND perfect. The old Benchmark Quarry in St. Johnsville has always and continues to produce very large, perfect crystals, up to 10 cm in length. I would be most interested to see a perfect Herkimer quartz crystal of 5 cm let alone 10 cm. Can you tell me where one of these perfect monsters are? Can you name a museum that has one of these or a private collection where one could be seen? I assume that when you say perfect you mean completely transparent without flaws as well as shiny on the outside with all faces and showing no damage. Rock From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Jun 9 01:54:10 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Jun 9 01:54:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] charcoal made by lava In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050605190026.026503b0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Kitty, I looked at the link you sent and the caption of the photo says: "These tall lava trees formed when lava cooled and solidified around the trunks of trees before the peak part of the flow drained away. The hollow tree mold is in the middle of the lava trees (where the trunk was burned away or turned to charcoal)." I think that the key words are: solidified around the trunks of trees before the peak part of the flow drained away. The trunks would have been submerged completely until they were encapsulated in solidified lava. After that... well, gravimetric analysis involving carbon are usually done at temperatures under 550? C. Above that t? charcoal will smolder in the presence of oxygen. At lower t? it will be preserved for quite a long time. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox Verzonden: donderdag 9 juni 2005 6:10 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] charcoal made by lava Hi List, I made another trip to the lava fields yesterday and found a tree mold partially filled with chunks of charcoal. The chunks are firm and hard. The lava flow was in 1979 so this burned wood has been exposed to the elements for over 1/4 of a century and does not seem fragile or deteriorated at all. I tried drawing with one chunk on a pad of paper, and it would make an excellent artist's medium! For those who don't know what a tree mold is, it's a mound of lava with a hole in it where a tree once stood; the lava flowed around the tree, which obviously burned up. The inside of the hole often has a different color---usually yellow-orange---and it may have details that are a clear enough imprint of the tree trunk to be able to tell if the tree was a palm or an ohia (a native tree that's a relative of the New Zealand rata). I was surprised to find that there was any residue of the tree wood at all, considering the high temperature of lava. So I looked up charcoal and found ( http://www.velvitoil.com/Charmake.htm ) that it is made via a direct method such as a pit or kiln, or an indirect method like a retort or furnace. I'm not sure I understood it all, but the important thing I observed is that regulation of oxygen is important. If you just burn wood in the open air, you end up with ashes, not charcoal. It seems to me that even wet, live wood will leave very little residue when it is burned in high heat. So I'm wondering how the air could be limited enough to allow for the formation of charcoal. These chunks were not way down in the bottom of the hole: they were right up on the top where there would have been plenty of air. The USGS Photo Glossary ( http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Products/Pglossary/treemold2.html ) actually says "the trunk was burned away or turned to charcoal" but I don't see how charcoal would form with plenty of air circulation. I hope this isn't a stupid question, but can anyone explain to me how that happened? Aloha, Kitty _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Jun 9 02:52:53 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Jun 9 02:52:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Glenn wrote; Actually, I do taste many of them just to keep my body's mineral level high. Axel: Then you will undoubtedly enjoy this article about geophagy ;-))) http://geography.about.com/cs/culturalgeography/a/geophagy.htm I would stay away from minerals that contain beryllium, gallium, arsenic and such poisenous elements though... AXEL -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee Verzonden: woensdag 8 juni 2005 18:01 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds]Tax rates was --> Digital Photography Actually, I do taste many of them just to keep my body's mineral level high. Glenn >From: "Axel Emmermann" <axel.emmermann@pandora.be> > > >Glenn (actually Jeanette) gets to see 70% of his income, and has healthcare > >coverage, prescription coverage and a pension plan(3), then that 70% goes >to > >bills. He might see 1% of it in his pocket :-((( > >Jeanette > > >So, in practice, if Glenn buys a rock he has to eat it? I guess I'd better >stop complaining then ;-)))) > >Axel > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail and documents on your PC instantly with the new MSN Search Toolbar?FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 06:10:10 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 9 06:10:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE:tangent geology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a group near here in L.A. (lower Alabama) that eats a certain clay...some claim they actually CRAVE the delicacy. Glenn :D >From: "Axel Emmermann" <axel.emmermann@pandora.be> >> >Glenn wrote; Actually, I do taste many of them just to keep my body's >mineral level high. > >Axel: >Then you will undoubtedly enjoy this article about geophagy ;-))) >http://geography.about.com/cs/culturalgeography/a/geophagy.htm >I would stay away from minerals that contain beryllium, gallium, arsenic and >such poisenous elements though... > >AXEL > > > >Actually, I do taste many of them just to keep my body's mineral level high. > > >Glenn > >&gt;From: "Axel Emmermann" &lt;axel.emmermann@pandora.be&gt; >&gt; >&gt; &gt;Glenn (actually Jeanette) gets to see 70% of his income, and has >healthcare >&gt; &gt;coverage, prescription coverage and a pension plan(3), then that >70% goes >&gt;to >&gt; &gt;bills. He might see 1% of it in his pocket :-((( >&gt; &gt;Jeanette >&gt; >&gt; >&gt;So, in practice, if Glenn buys a rock he has to eat it? I guess I'd >better >&gt;stop complaining then ;-)))) >&gt; >&gt;Axel ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From beda.hofmann at nmbe.unibe.ch Thu Jun 9 06:48:36 2005 From: beda.hofmann at nmbe.unibe.ch (Beda Hofmann) Date: Thu Jun 9 06:48:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay agate Mine Message-ID: Dear listmembers I wonder what the status of the Thunder Bay agate Mine is. Does anybody know whether it is still operational, and if not, whether the site can be visited? Best regards Beda -- ************************* Dr. Beda Anton Hofmann Curator, Earth Science Department Bern Natural History Museum Bernastrasse 15 CH-3005 Bern, Switzerland Phone +41 31 350 72 40 FAX +41 31 350 74 99 e-mail beda.hofmann@nmbe.unibe.ch http://www.nmbe.ch/ ************************* From xossfs at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 08:34:53 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Thu Jun 9 08:34:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <004801c56c9f$4910ba00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <20050609153453.8956.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> I am in the oild and gas industry and I see there data all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of the earth so I can "see" crystline basement on any day but I never will get to "touch" it except through a computer screen. Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of seismic data to decide where they are going to drill for O&G I was being a little sarcastic. The only places in Houston I know of to see good crystal specimins are the Houston natural Science Jeery's Rock shope in Belarire any Rock show in the area. Any cool dude or dudettes housse that wants to show off. But that be it for "looking" at rocks. --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > Where are you doing this? Found any hot spots?? > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Stover" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > > > > nope seismic. Lots of Siesmic. I can saee > crystaline > > basement at "15 seconds TWT - (Two Way Time)" so I > > know it is there. shist and granite and volcanics > and > > all the good stuff. Just can't seem to get my > hands > > on it. ;-O > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From Lapidry at aol.com Thu Jun 9 09:17:27 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 9 09:17:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay agate Mine Message-ID: In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:49:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, beda.hofmann@nmbe.unibe.ch writes: Dear listmembers I wonder what the status of the Thunder Bay agate Mine is. Does anybody know whether it is still operational, and if not, whether the site can be visited? Best regards Beda -- Someone mentioned that last year they were still open and were allowing self collecting. Something they didn't allow a few years ago when we were there. I haven't heard about this year yet. Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Jun 9 09:29:32 2005 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Jun 9 09:29:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay agate Mine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506091629.j59GTQ91022906@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I just tried their phone number and got an "out of service". Sounds pretty defunct to me... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds- > bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lapidry@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:17 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Thunder Bay agate Mine Dear listmembers > > I wonder what the status of the Thunder Bay agate Mine is. Does > anybody know whether it is still operational, and if not, whether the > site can be visited? > > Best regards > Beda > -- From xossfs at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:59:32 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Thu Jun 9 10:59:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609175932.16750.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> okay, okay I lguessimated put it closer to 8-10 miles below houston --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > 20 miles, huh? Doesn't the crust average around 18 > miles? > > Sounded real deep to me so I checked google, and 20 > miles would put your bit in the mantle. > That would produce something of interest for sure! > > Glenn  :} > > > > >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > > > >nope seismic. Lots of Siesmic. I can saee > crystaline > >basement at "15 seconds TWT - (Two Way Time)" so > I > >know it is there. shist and granite and > volcanics and > >all the good stuff. Just can't seem to get my > hands > >on it. ;-O > > > >--- geenet2@mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > What????? 20 miles straight down!!?? Have > you been > > > looking at drill cores or > > > something?? Got pictures?? > > > Jeanette > > > > > > > > > > There are cool rocks just 20 miles > form you. > > > Great > > > > crystals and with odd crystal habbits > and > > > chemistries. > > > > they just happen to be > ..... straight down. ;-) > > > > > \>Stephen F. Stover > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload > jokes, photos and more. It's free! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Jun 9 12:42:26 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <060920051942.28501.42A89BA200017C7500006F55215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Well now... I was thinking over those number, so looked up a bit more on the Earth... the continental crust can be up to 75 km thick, that's about 45 miles (though that's beneath mountains ranges), but still, 20 miles might still be in the crust, not necessarily in the mantle yet. But yes, probably your 8-10 miles is better. : ) Pete -------------- Original message from Stephen Stover : -------------- > okay, okay I lguessimated put it closer to 8-10 miles > below houston > > --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > 20 miles, huh? Doesn't the crust average around 18 > > miles? > > > > Sounded real deep to me so I checked google, and 20 > > miles would put your bit in the mantle. > > That would produce something of interest for sure! > > > > Glenn :} > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 12:48:22 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <060920051942.28501.42A89BA200017C7500006F55215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <20050609194822.44684.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> yeah it is 16 miles thick in the basin range of Arizona but over 25 on the colorado palteau. What is cool is more heat movers thourgh teh coloardo palteau thant through the thinner basin and range to the south. It should be the other way around. --- pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Well now... I was thinking over those number, so > looked up a bit more on the Earth... the continental > crust can be up to 75 km thick, that's about 45 > miles (though that's beneath mountains ranges), but > still, 20 miles might still be in the crust, not > necessarily in the mantle yet. But yes, probably > your 8-10 miles is better. > > : ) Pete > > -------------- Original message from Stephen Stover > : -------------- > > > > okay, okay I lguessimated put it closer to 8-10 > miles > > below houston > > > > --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > > 20 miles, huh? Doesn't the crust average around > 18 > > > miles? > > > > > > Sounded real deep to me so I checked google, and > 20 > > > miles would put your bit in the mantle. > > > That would produce something of interest for > sure! > > > > > > Glenn :} > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From tim at orerockon.com Thu Jun 9 14:19:40 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jun 9 14:21:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Faceted Herkimers In-Reply-To: <157.527174d4.2fd9380e@aol.com> References: <157.527174d4.2fd9380e@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050609141739.02a7e6b0@mail.spiritone.com> From Jeff Graham (a better faceter that you or me or probably anyone on this list; www.faceters.com): Well technically there should not be any difference. That being said I do think that in general the Herks are brighter to my eyes than most any other clear Qtz. I have occasionally seen some other material including Brazil material cut like that (depend on the mine and piece). I am only guessing but I suspect it has to do with the purity of the material when it formed. There maybe slight chemical differences between the mines and/or stones. Clarity does vary in most mines some pieces seem just a little less bright than others. Same for mines, Herks seem a bit brighter in general. But as far as just clear/white Qtz, the Herks do seem to be brighter. At 11:13 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote: Sure if you compare High quality Faceted Herkimers with ordinary clear quartz you may see some difference. But if compared to High quality Rock Crystal, like the good stuff you get out of Brazil and many other countries, to Herkimers, virtually no difference is visible. If your going to all the trouble to facet quartz, it make sense to use only the best and highest quality quartz available. If you take one faceted Herkimer and mix it in with 10 faceted High quality Rock crystal, assuming they are all the same size and shape, I seriously doubt you would be able to fine it. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Jun 9 16:30:14 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 9 16:30:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: <20050609153453.8956.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c56d4b$30681730$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I pretty much figured it was the O&G industry, who else cares what's under the Gulf of Mexico and coastal areas. I would like to see the whole length of a core drilling from the sand all the way down to the and into the bedrock. I know there's some bedrock down there somewhere. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Stover" >I am in the oild and gas industry and I see there data > all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of the earth > so I can "see" crystline basement on any day but I > never will get to "touch" it except through a computer > screen. > > Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of seismic > data to decide where they are going to drill for O&G > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 18:02:54 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 9 18:02:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <20050609175932.16750.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: no flame intended...I'm too new to serious geology to throw hot rocks...:{O >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > >okay, okay I lguessimated put it closer to 8-10 miles >below houston > >--- Glenn Wimpee <pawpawtiger@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > 20 miles, huh? Doesn't the crust average around 18 > > miles? > > > > Sounded real deep to me so I checked google, and 20 > > miles would put your bit in the mantle. > > That would produce something of interest for sure! > > > > Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 18:11:06 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 9 18:11:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <20050609194822.44684.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now we're into thermodynamics and the heat conductivity of the crust in different areas. That conductivity depends on compositon, moisture content included, and lots of other factors. >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > >yeah it is 16 miles thick in the basin range of >Arizona but over 25 on the colorado palteau. What is >cool is more heat movers thourgh teh coloardo palteau >thant through the thinner basin and range to the >south. It should be the other way around. > > > >--- pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > > Well now... I was thinking over those number, so > > looked up a bit more on the Earth... the continental > > crust can be up to 75 km thick, that's about 45 > > miles (though that's beneath mountains ranges), but > > still, 20 miles might still be in the crust, not > > necessarily in the mantle yet. But yes, probably > > your 8-10 miles is better. > > > > : ) Pete > > > > -------------- Original message from Stephen Stover > > > okay, okay I lguessimated put it closer to 8-10 > > miles > > > below houston ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From phantomR at peoplepc.com Thu Jun 9 18:55:01 2005 From: phantomR at peoplepc.com (Terry & Veneta) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:13:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina Message-ID: <000001c56d62$0b758180$11d8ee04@DFTWR661> Hello All I would like to correspond with someone who lives in North Carolina. We would like to move there but, have some questions for someone who resides there. Thank you Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From phantomR at peoplepc.com Thu Jun 9 18:56:37 2005 From: phantomR at peoplepc.com (Terry & Veneta) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:13:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina Message-ID: <000101c56d62$0b9e1820$11d8ee04@DFTWR661> Hello All I would like to correspond with someone who lives in North Carolina. We would like to move there but, have some questions for someone who resides there. Thank you Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From phantomR at peoplepc.com Thu Jun 9 19:37:08 2005 From: phantomR at peoplepc.com (Terry & Veneta) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:38:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: North Carolina Message-ID: <001701c56d65$6be28920$5be0ee04@DFTWR661> ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry & Veneta To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: North Carolina Hello All I would like to correspond with someone who lives in North Carolina. We would like to move there but, have some questions for someone who resides there. Thank you Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Jun 9 19:47:30 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:47:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina Message-ID: <79.4733172e.2fda5942@aol.com> Hi..just moved to Carolina Beach..ask away!!! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Jun 9 20:01:36 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:56:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: Message-ID: <42A90154.7C29@Tomaszewski.net> Wait, isn't the local temp of the furnace in the basement the most significant factor, with its depth second, overwhelming the conductivity variables? If you are sitting 20 miles over a hot 150 mile magma chamber it is going to be warmer no matter what kind of rock you are on. But I agree the conductivity does carry information. Now a lot of rockhounds also appear to have an interest in astronomy. Heads' up! If your car could drive straight up, you are less than an hour's drive (on an open highway) away from escaping the atmosphere and entering the emptyness space. Let's go, we might collect a meteor (a little more rare than a meteorite ;-) -- or does it become a meteorite when it comes thru the windshield? Now let's turn around and look at your rock again, but we will use our hyperspectral imaging system and capture several hundred bands from UV to ULW for each pixel. This is a very rich picture, and it lets us look under the earth's surface to see hotspots, ore bodies, fault lines, bedding lines, and other geologic information, to signficant depth, as long as we have the computer software/power to process the data. I'll bet your boring geological place, and seismic data, just got a lot more interesting (and I can't wait until they integrate it with this new stuff). The fun part is that this is already passing real science and reaching technology. http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/satellites/hyper_geology.asp Thanks Glenn! Your observation got me wondering if there was a better way to look down 20 miles, and my friend Google showed me the answer. It was too neat not to share. Thanks for taking a short ride in my car to see a great collecting location, your 'basement'. Enjoy! Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Now we're into thermodynamics and the heat conductivity of the crust in different areas. > > That conductivity depends on compositon, moisture content included, and lots of other factors. > > >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > > > >yeah it is 16 miles thick in the basin range of > >Arizona but over 25 on the colorado palteau. What is > >cool is more heat movers thourgh teh coloardo palteau > >thant through the thinner basin and range to the > >south. It should be the other way around. > > > > > > > >--- pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > > > > Well now... I was thinking over those number, so > > > looked up a bit more on the Earth... the continental > > > crust can be up to 75 km thick, that's about 45 > > > miles (though that's beneath mountains ranges), but > > > still, 20 miles might still be in the crust, not > > > necessarily in the mantle yet. But yes, probably > > > your 8-10 miles is better. > > > > > > : ) Pete > > > > > > > -------------- Original message from Stephen Stover > > > > > okay, okay I lguessimated put it closer to 8-10 > > > miles > > > > below houston From sapphiretrans at direcway.com Thu Jun 9 21:17:50 2005 From: sapphiretrans at direcway.com (Diane Thiel) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:10:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Utah collecting & introduction Message-ID: <42A9146E.7030603@direcway.com> Hi all, Been lurking for a couple of years. I appreciate all the information I've gleaned from everyone, though much of it is really over my head. I am just a lover of pretty rocks, and it is evident by the number of them collecting on my deck, my porch, even on top of my monitor. I do try my best to figure out what kind of specimen I have, though some have eluded me. However, I can play in the dirt all day, if I think I might find something interesting. I live in Stevensville, Montana. My family is originally from Butte, "the richest hill on earth." My grandparents had a coffee table inlaid with many slabbed specimens from the area...malachite, agate, copper, I could go on....I loved that table, and spent a lot of time looking at it as a child! I will be going to Salt Lake City soon. Just wondering what kind of rockhounding can be done there. If anyone has any suggestions for me I would sure appreciate it. Thanks! Diane From tfa at brickengraver.com Thu Jun 9 20:34:32 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:34:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina In-Reply-To: <000001c56d62$0b758180$11d8ee04@DFTWR661> Message-ID: <20050610033425.JMOQ2942.imta02a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> I am your man--been here for 50+ years. "If you're a big enough fool to climb a tree and like a cat refuse to come down, then someone who loves you has to make as big a fool of himself to rescue you." W Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Terry & Veneta Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:55 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina Hello All I would like to correspond with someone who lives in North Carolina. We would like to move there but, have some questions for someone who resides there. Thank you Terry Rosbach --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Prinevillepowwow at msn.com Thu Jun 9 23:06:39 2005 From: Prinevillepowwow at msn.com (Prineville Pow Wow) Date: Thu Jun 9 23:05:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Prineville, Oregon Rockhound Powwow Message-ID: June 23-26, 2005 PRINEVILLE, OREGON 60th Annual Celebration for Prineville Rockhound Jewelry, Gem and Mineral Show. Crook County Fairgrounds, Prineville, Oregon. Public welcome, free admission. Approximately 60 dealers with minerals, fossils, crystals, agate, gems, hand crafted items, and jewelry. Schedule of Events: Thursday - Dealers open 9 am-6 pm: 8 pm Ceremony honoring our early rock hounds from the area including Display cases, presentations and refreshments. Friday - 7:30 am - Field trip for petrified wood; 9 am-6 pm Dealers open; 6:30 pm Potluck, Dealers' meeting (public invited); 8 pm-10 pm Old Time Fiddlers Jam. Saturday - 7:30 am - Field trip to Tube Agate Beds; 9 am-6 pm Dealers open; 11:00 am Rodeo Parade (Prineville Rockhound Pow Wow float included), 7:00 pm - Public auction featuring great deals on agates, gems, minerals, and jewelry. Sunday 7:30 am - Field trip to Polka Dot Agate; 7:30 am - Old Timers Breakfast in Carey Foster Hall; 9 am-4 pm Dealers open. Contact: Rebecca Buss 541-546-9473 email: Prinevillepowwow@msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rutile1 at shelby.net Fri Jun 10 04:06:20 2005 From: rutile1 at shelby.net (Todd Hamrick) Date: Fri Jun 10 04:06:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Carolina In-Reply-To: <000101c56d62$0b9e1820$11d8ee04@DFTWR661> References: <000101c56d62$0b9e1820$11d8ee04@DFTWR661> Message-ID: <42A9742C.4060804@shelby.net> Terry & Veneta wrote: >Hello All > >I would like to correspond with someone who lives in North Carolina. We would like to move there but, have some questions for someone who resides there. > >Thank you >Terry Rosbach > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > Born and raised in the Piedmont of NC.Email me offlist if you wish From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 07:10:21 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:10:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <002001c56d4b$30681730$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <20050610141021.17306.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> don't think one exists. the deepest well I know of is about 28,000 although they just started one that is going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it would be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic ona probable buried volcan off Floridas south east coast (maybe 100 miles west) --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > I pretty much figured it was the O&G industry, who > else cares what's under > the Gulf of Mexico and coastal areas. I would like > to see the whole length > of a core drilling from the sand all the way down to > the and into the > bedrock. I know there's some bedrock down there > somewhere. > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Stover" > > > >I am in the oild and gas industry and I see there > data > > all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of the > earth > > so I can "see" crystline basement on any day but I > > never will get to "touch" it except through a > computer > > screen. > > > > Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of > seismic > > data to decide where they are going to drill for > O&G > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 07:15:16 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:16:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <42A90154.7C29@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20050610141516.1566.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Wait, isn't the local temp of the furnace in the > basement the most > significant factor, with its depth second, > overwhelming the conductivity > variables? If you are sitting 20 miles over a hot > 150 mile magma chamber > it is going to be warmer no matter what kind of rock > you are on. But I > agree the conductivity does carry information. > Yes, but there is a huge heat flow difference within just 20 - 50 miles of each other and in Northern Arizon and there is not a magma chamber to explain it. jsut the thickness of the rocks. the B&R is so thin but it allows less heat to flow and the colorado palteau is so thick and allows more heat to flow. Just don't make since. My prof back in col at NAU (Flagstaff, AZ) had been working on that question for twenty years and still did not have an answer. Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From agesilaus at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 08:10:48 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:10:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <20050610141021.17306.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002001c56d4b$30681730$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <20050610141021.17306.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I saw a recent report that a Japanese-US group has started a mantle depth drilling project. They are using a shipboard drilling rig like the Glomar Challenger. This is a multiyear project. BK On 6/10/05, Stephen Stover wrote: > > don't think one exists. the deepest well I know of is > about 28,000 although they just started one that is > going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it would > be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that > pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic ona > probable buried volcan off Floridas south east coast > (maybe 100 miles west) > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > I pretty much figured it was the O&G industry, who > > else cares what's under > > the Gulf of Mexico and coastal areas. I would like > > to see the whole length > > of a core drilling from the sand all the way down to > > the and into the > > bedrock. I know there's some bedrock down there > > somewhere. > > Jeanette > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Stover" > > > > > > >I am in the oild and gas industry and I see there > > data > > > all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of the > > earth > > > so I can "see" crystline basement on any day but I > > > never will get to "touch" it except through a > > computer > > > screen. > > > > > > Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of > > seismic > > > data to decide where they are going to drill for > > O&G > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 08:23:28 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:23:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050610152343.25247.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> yeppers but I think that is in a spreading center in the pacific, right ?!? We ain't got those coring things here in the gulf below about 27,000 ft or so. --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > I saw a recent report that a Japanese-US group has > started a mantle > depth drilling project. They are using a shipboard > drilling rig like > the Glomar Challenger. This is a multiyear project. > > BK > > On 6/10/05, Stephen Stover wrote: > > > > don't think one exists. the deepest well I know > of is > > about 28,000 although they just started one that > is > > going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it > would > > be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that > > pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic > ona > > probable buried volcan off Floridas south east > coast > > (maybe 100 miles west) > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > I pretty much figured it was the O&G industry, > who > > > else cares what's under > > > the Gulf of Mexico and coastal areas. I would > like > > > to see the whole length > > > of a core drilling from the sand all the way > down to > > > the and into the > > > bedrock. I know there's some bedrock down there > > > somewhere. > > > Jeanette > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Stover" > > > > > > > > > >I am in the oild and gas industry and I see > there > > > data > > > > all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of > the > > > earth > > > > so I can "see" crystline basement on any day > but I > > > > never will get to "touch" it except through a > > > computer > > > > screen. > > > > > > > > Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of > > > seismic > > > > data to decide where they are going to drill > for > > > O&G > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > Stephen F. Stover > > PH (281) 829-1102 > > xossfs@yahoo.com > > > > Wanting to hunt rocks > > and play games every day! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 10 10:11:09 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:11:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <061020051711.10104.42A9C9AB000761B3000027782197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> That is very very cool. Wait til things like ancient civilizations, and all the meteor hits we can't see start showing up. What if fossil remains could be detected because of the difference in composition from surrounding matrix. What fun! Jeanette > I'll bet your boring geological place, and seismic data, just got a lot > more interesting (and I can't wait until they integrate it with this new > stuff). The fun part is that this is already passing real science and > reaching technology. > > http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/satellites/hyper_geology.asp > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 10 10:20:23 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:20:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <061020051720.16277.42A9CBD6000EFC1D00003F952197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Can't recall where I heard or read it, but there is supposed to be remains of a volcano off the Mississippi coast. Anyone else know? Jeanette > > don't think one exists. the deepest well I know of is > about 28,000 although they just started one that is > going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it would > be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that > pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic ona > probable buried volcan off Floridas south east coast > (maybe 100 miles west) > >> Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > > > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 10 10:24:32 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:24:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <061020051724.18367.42A9CCCF000C125D000047BF2197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> I can see it now.....drilling rig pierces the mantle into the really hot stuff, and it explodes like a pimple. Oh wait, that was the movie that will be made while that drilling is taking place. Jeanette > I saw a recent report that a Japanese-US group has started a mantle > depth drilling project. They are using a shipboard drilling rig like > the Glomar Challenger. This is a multiyear project. > > BK > > On 6/10/05, Stephen Stover wrote: > > > > don't think one exists. the deepest well I know of is > > about 28,000 although they just started one that is > > going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it would > > be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that > > pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic ona > > probable buried volcan off Floridas south east coast > > (maybe 100 miles west) > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > I pretty much figured it was the O&G industry, who > > > else cares what's under > > > the Gulf of Mexico and coastal areas. I would like > > > to see the whole length > > > of a core drilling from the sand all the way down to > > > the and into the > > > bedrock. I know there's some bedrock down there > > > somewhere. > > > Jeanette > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Stover" > > > > > > > > > >I am in the oild and gas industry and I see there > > > data > > > > all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of the > > > earth > > > > so I can "see" crystline basement on any day but I > > > > never will get to "touch" it except through a > > > computer > > > > screen. > > > > > > > > Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of > > > seismic > > > > data to decide where they are going to drill for > > > O&G > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > Stephen F. Stover > > PH (281) 829-1102 > > xossfs@yahoo.com > > > > Wanting to hunt rocks > > and play games every day! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 11:27:34 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:27:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <061020051724.18367.42A9CCCF000C125D000047BF2197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050610182734.291.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like this thread has changed subject without the need to change the subject line. It went from boring, as in dull, to boring, as in drilling! Jim Daly --- geenet2@mchsi.com wrote: > I can see it now.....drilling rig pierces the mantle > into the really hot stuff, > and it explodes like a pimple. Oh wait, that was > the movie that will be made > while that drilling is taking place. > Jeanette > > > > I saw a recent report that a Japanese-US group has > started a mantle > > depth drilling project. They are using a shipboard > drilling rig like > > the Glomar Challenger. This is a multiyear > project. > > > > BK > > > > On 6/10/05, Stephen Stover > wrote: > > > > > > don't think one exists. the deepest well I know > of is > > > about 28,000 although they just started one that > is > > > going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it > would > > > be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that > > > pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic > ona > > > probable buried volcan off Floridas south east > coast > > > (maybe 100 miles west) > > > > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > > I pretty much figured it was the O&G industry, > who > > > > else cares what's under > > > > the Gulf of Mexico and coastal areas. I would > like > > > > to see the whole length > > > > of a core drilling from the sand all the way > down to > > > > the and into the > > > > bedrock. I know there's some bedrock down > there > > > > somewhere. > > > > Jeanette > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Stover" > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am in the oild and gas industry and I see > there > > > > data > > > > > all the time. Siesmic is like a sonogram of > the > > > > earth > > > > > so I can "see" crystline basement on any day > but I > > > > > never will get to "touch" it except through > a > > > > computer > > > > > screen. > > > > > > > > > > Thg oil and gas industry use vast amounts of > > > > seismic > > > > > data to decide where they are going to drill > for > > > > O&G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen F. Stover > > > PH (281) 829-1102 > > > xossfs@yahoo.com > > > > > > Wanting to hunt rocks > > > and play games every day! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. Check it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 11:47:09 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:47:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <061020051720.16277.42A9CBD6000EFC1D00003F952197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050610184709.76527.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> There area bunch buaried in deep sediments in the middle of the gulf. Left over from the inital rifting of the GOM. Like I said I ahve seen one volacoan buried under 7000 ft of sediment and it was a pretty big one. Probably never broke the surface fo the water. --- geenet2@mchsi.com wrote: > Can't recall where I heard or read it, but there is > supposed to be remains of a > volcano off the Mississippi coast. Anyone else know? > Jeanette > > > > > > don't think one exists. the deepest well I know > of is > > about 28,000 although they just started one that > is > > going to go to 31,000 ft. to get to 8 mies it > would > > be about 50,000. However i have seen cores that > > pentretated volacin dikes and have seen siesmic > ona > > probable buried volcan off Floridas south east > coast > > (maybe 100 miles west) > > > >> Stephen F. Stover > > PH (281) 829-1102 > > xossfs@yahoo.com > > > > Wanting to hunt rocks > > and play games every day! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 10 13:23:20 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:23:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Boring geological places References: <20050610182734.291.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c56dfa$3ef348b0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Yeah, trying to keep it OT ;-) Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > Looks like this thread has changed subject without the > need to change the subject line. It went from boring, > as in dull, to boring, as in drilling! > Jim Daly > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 10 13:25:34 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:25:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: <20050610184709.76527.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c56dfa$8e835370$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> How did you "see" it, the sonogram?? What does a billion yo volcano look like on a sonogram? I can barely tell it's a baby on a prenatal sonogram, much less the sex... Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Stover" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > > There area bunch buaried in deep sediments in the > middle of the gulf. Left over from the inital rifting > of the GOM. Like I said I ahve seen one volacoan > buried under 7000 ft of sediment and it was a pretty > big one. Probably never broke the surface fo the > water. From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 13:54:56 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:54:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <42A90154.7C29@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Not boring at all when all is considered... Doesn't a furnace blow hot air or ciculate heated liquid to other areas...not simple direct heat transfer... The car ride and camera are both fun...sci-fi is future reality. Let's apply for a patent on the cam and the car before all the oil, diamond, and gold in the universe is collected. And while we're at it, let's get the machine that produces more energy than it uses. And the anti-entropy controller. :}D BTW superconductors are already a reality! Glenn >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski <Kreigh@tomaszewski.net> > >Wait, isn't the local temp of the furnace in the basement the most >significant factor, with its depth second, overwhelming the conductivity >variables? If you are sitting 20 miles over a hot 150 mile magma chamber >it is going to be warmer no matter what kind of rock you are on. But I >agree the conductivity does carry information. > >Now a lot of rockhounds also appear to have an interest in astronomy. >Heads' up! If your car could drive straight up, you are less than an >hour's drive (on an open highway) away from escaping the atmosphere and >entering the emptyness space. > >Let's go, we might collect a meteor (a little more rare than a meteorite >;-) -- or does it become a meteorite when it comes thru the windshield? > >Now let's turn around and look at your rock again, but we will use our >hyperspectral imaging system and capture several hundred bands from UV >to ULW for each pixel. <If our car can drive straight up, we can have a >fancy camera too!> > >This is a very rich picture, and it lets us look under the earth's >surface to see hotspots, ore bodies, fault lines, bedding lines, and >other geologic information, to signficant depth, as long as we have the >computer software/power to process the data. <Don't worry, this >super-car has a great onboard computer network.> > >I'll bet your boring geological place, and seismic data, just got a lot >more interesting (and I can't wait until they integrate it with this new >stuff). The fun part is that this is already passing real science and >reaching technology. > > http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/satellites/hyper_geology.asp > >Thanks Glenn! > >Your observation got me wondering if there was a better way to look down >20 miles, and my friend Google showed me the answer. It was too neat not >to share. Thanks for taking a short ride in my <magic/dream> car to see >a great collecting location, your 'basement'. > >Enjoy! > >Kreigh > > > > >Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > Now we're into thermodynamics and the heat conductivity of the crust in different areas. > > > > That conductivity depends on compositon, moisture content included, and lots of other factors. > > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger with Video Conversation - it's FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From MCGINNISG at aol.com Fri Jun 10 14:21:36 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:21:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Utah Trip Message-ID: <24.72b0dc1a.2fdb5e60@aol.com> Try looking at these websites of the information you are looking for........ http://www.utahrockhounds.com/sites http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/utahgeo/rockmineral http://www.pgjr.alpine.k12.ut.us/science/whitaker/Places/Topaz/Topaz.htm http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/utsites.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 14:36:01 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:36:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <002401c56dfa$8e835370$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <20050610213601.83520.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> take a cut though a volcano in a geology book and that is what you see. A trianglur mountain maybe 2 miles wide layered at an angle like materila of some sort (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out and rolled down it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon int TWO way time tall. do not know how that equates into feet. --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > How did you "see" it, the sonogram?? What does a > billion yo volcano look > like on a sonogram? I can barely tell it's a baby > on a prenatal sonogram, > much less the sex... > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Stover" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > > > > > > There area bunch buaried in deep sediments in the > > middle of the gulf. Left over from the inital > rifting > > of the GOM. Like I said I ahve seen one volacoan > > buried under 7000 ft of sediment and it was a > pretty > > big one. Probably never broke the surface fo the > > water. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Fri Jun 10 15:10:32 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Fri Jun 10 15:10:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] New to the list Message-ID: <26264550.1118441432637.JavaMail.root@wamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Eva, Welcome to the list. You will find that we are a rather eclectic group of hobbyists with varying interests. Mark -----Original Message----- From: "S.Eva" Sent: Jun 8, 2005 10:38 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] New to the list Hello! My name is Eva and I've just got my subscription to this list. I am not a rockhound, I am a crystal healer and I subscribed to this list to learn more about crystal, in a scientific way. I am 29, from the North of Italy. My favourite crystals are quartz (clear, citrine, smoky and amethyst), rodhocrosite, charoite, apatite and selenite, etc. I have many specimen in my study... I use them to heal, to meditate. Well... I hope you will welcome me for I'm sure I have much to learn from all of you. Greetings! Eva _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sapphiretrans at direcway.com Fri Jun 10 17:53:28 2005 From: sapphiretrans at direcway.com (Diane Thiel) Date: Fri Jun 10 16:45:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Utah Trip In-Reply-To: <24.72b0dc1a.2fdb5e60@aol.com> References: <24.72b0dc1a.2fdb5e60@aol.com> Message-ID: <42AA3608.3050709@direcway.com> Thanks! MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: >Try looking at these websites of the information you are looking for........ > >http://www.utahrockhounds.com/sites >http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/utahgeo/rockmineral >http://www.pgjr.alpine.k12.ut.us/science/whitaker/Places/Topaz/Topaz.htm >http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/utsites.html > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 10 21:17:39 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 10 21:17:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] charcoal made by lava References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050605190026.026503b0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <42AA65D1.2CF0@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty, You can cook with lava by wrapping a raw meal with green leaves, encasing it in red lava, waiting for hours (takes longer than you would think), breaking it out, and enjoying an unusual meal. It takes time for the heat of surrounding lava to penetrate to the core of a tree and exhaust the outgassing of steam that would prevent replacement of oxygen. The lava itself is also outgassing, so its surface has a microenvironment that prevents entrance of atmospheric oxygen. The heat should be sufficient to make good charcoal. I think it assumes a fast lava advance. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > I made another trip to the lava fields yesterday and found a tree mold > partially filled with chunks of charcoal. The chunks are firm and > hard. The lava flow was in 1979 so this burned wood has been exposed to > the elements for over 1/4 of a century and does not seem fragile or > deteriorated at all. I tried drawing with one chunk on a pad of paper, and > it would make an excellent artist's medium! > > For those who don't know what a tree mold is, it's a mound of lava with a > hole in it where a tree once stood; the lava flowed around the tree, which > obviously burned up. The inside of the hole often has a different > color---usually yellow-orange---and it may have details that are a clear > enough imprint of the tree trunk to be able to tell if the tree was a palm > or an ohia (a native tree that's a relative of the New Zealand rata). > > I was surprised to find that there was any residue of the tree wood at all, > considering the high temperature of lava. So I looked up charcoal and > found ( http://www.velvitoil.com/Charmake.htm ) that it is made via a > direct method such as a pit or kiln, or an indirect method like a retort or > furnace. I'm not sure I understood it all, but the important thing I > observed is that regulation of oxygen is important. If you just burn wood > in the open air, you end up with ashes, not charcoal. It seems to me that > even wet, live wood will leave very little residue when it is burned in > high heat. So I'm wondering how the air could be limited enough to allow > for the formation of charcoal. These chunks were not way down in the > bottom of the hole: they were right up on the top where there would have > been plenty of air. > > The USGS Photo Glossary ( > http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Products/Pglossary/treemold2.html ) actually says > "the trunk was burned away or turned to charcoal" but I don't see how > charcoal would form with plenty of air circulation. > > I hope this isn't a stupid question, but can anyone explain to me how that > happened? > > Aloha, Kitty From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Jun 10 23:44:05 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jun 10 23:44:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places References: <20050610213601.83520.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008201c56e50$f672e0d0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Where geographically is this one? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Stover" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > take a cut though a volcano in a geology book and that > is what you see. A trianglur mountain maybe 2 miles > wide layered at an angle like materila of some sort > (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out and rolled down > it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon int TWO way time > tall. do not know how that equates into feet. > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > >> How did you "see" it, the sonogram?? What does a >> billion yo volcano look >> like on a sonogram? I can barely tell it's a baby >> on a prenatal sonogram, >> much less the sex... >> Jeanette From magnet at crocoite.com Sat Jun 11 01:08:01 2005 From: magnet at crocoite.com (magnet) Date: Sat Jun 11 01:08:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Pakistan and Afghanistan Minerals Message-ID: <20050611080801.6949.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all I have a selection of minerals from Pakistan and Afghanistan that are for sale on behalf of a friend. You can see what's available at http://www.crocoite.com/rockroom/index.htm Regards Steve From pbhewitt at comcast.net Sat Jun 11 19:21:00 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sat Jun 11 19:21:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY References: <855ED055-AE6E-11D8-924D-000A956EE112@cox.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20040525143156.01fd8350@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <002901c56ef5$61fde800$6501a8c0@maingear> I heard through the grapevine that Herkimer diamonds can be found at the Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY. I googled it and came up empty as far as access and collecting was concerned. Anyone on the list have any information about it? I will be going to Herkimer sometime in the next few weeks for diamonds and would love to check out the Benchmark Quarry while I am up there. Paul in Marietta From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 20:09:41 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Jun 11 20:09:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benvenuti Eva Message-ID: <20050612030941.34401.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Ciao Eva, Benvenuti to the list and to the community. You will find much scientific and practical information about minerals and their crystals from the knowledgeable people on the list. Where in north Italy are you? I lived in Cavalese & Mezzocorona (Trentino Alto Adige)for a few years. I had not revived my interest in collecting back then, but how I wish I'd have explored when I was out climbing in the dolomiti near my house. Tell us about collecting in nord italia. Are there places where you can collect crystals? saluti, tina aka tangojuli Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:38:08 +0200 From: "S.Eva" Subject: [Rockhounds] New to the list To: Message-ID: <003501c56c37$b0502290$8300a8c0@EVA> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Hello! My name is Eva and I've just got my subscription to this list. I am not a rockhound, I am a crystal healer and I subscribed to this list to learn more about crystal, in a scientific way. I am 29, from the North of Italy. My favourite crystals are quartz (clear, citrine, smoky and amethyst), rodhocrosite, charoite, apatite and selenite, etc. I have many specimen in my study... I use them to heal, to meditate. Well... I hope you will welcome me for I'm sure I have much to learn from all of you. Greetings! Eva --------------------- __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From jbf at jbfminerals.com Sat Jun 11 20:26:52 2005 From: jbf at jbfminerals.com (Jeff Fast) Date: Sat Jun 11 20:26:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY References: <855ED055-AE6E-11D8-924D-000A956EE112@cox.net><6.1.0.6.2.20040525143156.01fd8350@mail.spiritone.com> <002901c56ef5$61fde800$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <001101c56efe$95601de0$171b0944@Dell2004> Paul, My understanding is that the Benchmark Quarry is an active quarry and that access is only with permission. Jeff Fast www.jbfminerals.com (860) 985 - 6321 (USA) From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 12 06:48:14 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Jun 12 06:45:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY References: <855ED055-AE6E-11D8-924D-000A956EE112@cox.net><6.1.0.6.2.20040525143156.01fd8350@mail.spiritone.com> <002901c56ef5$61fde800$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <002401c56f55$63cfe740$de884c0c@fekib> The Benchmark (not it's new name) is closed. For small Herkimer's on matrix, try the Crystal Grove Campground in St. Johnsville, for the larger ones in vugs, go up to Middleville and try the commercial sites. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hewitt To: Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY > I heard through the grapevine that Herkimer diamonds can be found at the > Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY. I googled it and came up empty as far > as access and collecting was concerned. Anyone on the list have any > information about it? I will be going to Herkimer sometime in the next few > weeks for diamonds and would love to check out the Benchmark Quarry while I > am up there. > > Paul in Marietta > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 From betdav97 at aol.com Sun Jun 12 07:04:39 2005 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 12 07:04:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY In-Reply-To: <002401c56f55$63cfe740$de884c0c@fekib> References: <855ED055-AE6E-11D8-924D-000A956EE112@cox.net><6.1.0.6.2.20040525143156.01fd8350@mail.spiritone.com> <002901c56ef5$61fde800$6501a8c0@maingear> <002401c56f55$63cfe740$de884c0c@fekib> Message-ID: <8C73D6ECE938D53-1F0-A8D8@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, Is the club site in Fonda, New York not open any longer? I had very limited success at Crystal Grove. Also, they will not let you collect in the creek. Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapidry at aol.com Sun Jun 12 07:31:47 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 12 07:31:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/2005 10:05:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, betdav97@aol.com writes: Hi all, Is the club site in Fonda, New York not open any longer? I had very limited success at Crystal Grove. Also, they will not let you collect in the creek. Dave Dave: I'm guessing you are talking about Diamond Acres, which is pretty much all claims. You'd have to find out your specific club and see if they still have a claim. Several clubs do have claims. Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sun Jun 12 09:13:00 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sun Jun 12 09:13:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places Message-ID: <061220051613.5888.42AC5F0C000722DA00001700216028074807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Here's a link to the news story about that Japanese deep drilling project: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/06/05/2003258032 It says they want to drill to 7000 m below the sea floor, is an area "in the deep Pacific" (doesn't seem to say just where) in 2500 m water depth. The hole will be deep enought to penetrate into the top of the mantle. The original story was June 5, in the Yokohama Guardian. It all sounds neat to do! Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Sun Jun 12 09:54:54 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Jun 12 09:52:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? In-Reply-To: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> References: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Don, You've got it about right. There isn't a lot up in that corner of the northwest. There are some zeolites in the area by Asotin and west of Clarkston, but they are small. The most interesting (heulandite with an odd form and erionite) are micro or slightly larger. The information and location of the Emerald Creek star garnet locality is available on the Idaho Panhandle National Forests website. There are more garnets, kyanite and staurolite east of Emerald Creek way up in the mountains scattered over a large area. And there is staurolite on Carpenter Creek, a fork of Emerald Creek. Hope you have a great trip out this way. Regards, Lanny On Jun 8, 2005, at 10:49 AM, morningstar@att.net wrote: > > Howdy, > > So does anyone here collect in what I have learned is the *inland* NW? > For example, Latah County, ID? SE Washington, NE Oregon (it all > comes together at a point?) > > Also, what are people trying to collect? I get the impression a lot > of people up there collect agates, petrified wood, and gemstone > material. I already know some spots, but the material I saw was > mostly of interest to micro collectors and people who like things such > as columnar basalt, breccias, copper secondaries from an old mine > dump, things like that. There are star garnets available, but I'll > find their locality later. > > Any thoughts? > > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 12 10:24:28 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:18:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? In-Reply-To: References: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <42AC6FCC.80003@att.net> Lanny wrote: > Hi Don, > > You've got it about right. There isn't a lot up in that corner of the > northwest. There are some zeolites in the area by Asotin and west of > Clarkston, but they are small. . . . Thanks to everyone. Actually, my post was poorly worded. What I meant to say was, "who wants to go collecting?" The reasons are two-fold: first, I will be updating "The Minerals of Latah County." Not next semester, but sometime relatively soon. Therefore I would like to know about spots, however small or obscure or whatever micro crud they produce (because, after all, we are cataloguing mineral species). Second, I would like to share the info with list members and take people to some of these spots, if they are interested in things like micros and copper secondaries. I don't think I'll find any spots for fancy agates or petrified wood or anything like that, and when I see posts from Pac NW folks, that's what they seem to want. One would imagine that local people know all the spots, but during my brief visit I saw some places so small and nondescript it is possible they have been overlooked by collectors. One of my first assignments, however, will be to help finish the study on the star garnets. The mechanism of asterism in these garnets is not completely understood. My advisor has some pieces, but I think we need to get more. I don't know if we'll collect them or get them from the local gem shop, but if there's a field trip brewing, and it's OK to invite the public, I'll let you know. Don From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 12 10:29:11 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:23:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? (part 2) In-Reply-To: <42AC6FCC.80003@att.net> References: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> <42AC6FCC.80003@att.net> Message-ID: <42AC70E7.2060102@att.net> Don H wrote: The reasons are two-fold: > first, I will be updating "The Minerals of Latah County." Not next > semester, but sometime relatively soon. P.S. Any articles I write will inlude GPS lat/long (and maybe UTM) coordinates, date, and datum used. I'm trying to start a trend. Don From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 15:25:00 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Jun 12 15:25:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] charcoal by lava In-Reply-To: <200506100103.j5A138DL012430@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050612222501.85051.qmail@web60811.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Kitty, this was very interesting to hear about. I was a tour guide in Pompeii and Herculaneum in the late 80s and was fascinated by what survived the pyroclastic flows in those vesuvian towns (altho this is different from the much hotter lava flows you describe). Wood was carbonized and remained in the airless compartments for 2000 years befroe rediscovery. It is my understnading that some of the charcoalized wood is still stable since rediscovery and air exposure in the 18th Century. I think I was most tickled to find that the bread rolls with 5 cuts on top which you can still find in the modern town of Ercolano above Herculaneum were found intact on plates, "charcoaled", frozen from 79AD. But that would have been some kind of reducing environment too--people suffocated and were fried from the inside out from the superheated air of the pyroclastic flow (200 degrees +). I wonder if the processes were related? tina t Message: 4 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:09:50 -1000 From: Kitty & Bill Heacox Subject: [Rockhounds] charcoal made by lava To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050605190026.026503b0@incoming.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi List, I made another trip to the lava fields yesterday and found a tree mold partially filled with chunks of charcoal. The chunks are firm and hard. The lava flow was in 1979 so this burned wood has been exposed to the elements for over 1/4 of a century and does not seem fragile or deteriorated at all. I tried drawing with one chunk on a pad of paper, and it would make an excellent artist's medium! For those who don't know what a tree mold is, it's a mound of lava with a hole in it where a tree once stood; the lava flowed around the tree, which obviously burned up. The inside of the hole often has a different color---usually yellow-orange---and it may have details that are a clear enough imprint of the tree trunk to be able to tell if the tree was a palm or an ohia (a native tree that's a relative of the New Zealand rata). I was surprised to find that there was any residue of the tree wood at all, considering the high temperature of lava. So I looked up charcoal and found ( http://www.velvitoil.com/Charmake.htm ) that it is made via a direct method such as a pit or kiln, or an indirect method like a retort or furnace. I'm not sure I understood it all, but the important thing I observed is that regulation of oxygen is important. If you just burn wood in the open air, you end up with ashes, not charcoal. It seems to me that even wet, live wood will leave very little residue when it is burned in high heat. So I'm wondering how the air could be limited enough to allow for the formation of charcoal. These chunks were not way down in the bottom of the hole: they were right up on the top where there would have been plenty of air. The USGS Photo Glossary ( http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Products/Pglossary/treemold2.html ) actually says "the trunk was burned away or turned to charcoal" but I don't see how charcoal would form with plenty of air circulation. I hope this isn't a stupid question, but can anyone explain to me how that happened? Aloha, Kitty __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 12 15:34:21 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 12 15:31:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Suggestions Wanted for a drive around Lake Michigan Message-ID: <42ACB7C2.6B48@Tomaszewski.net> The kids are all going to be gone to camp at the same time for a week, so my wife and I decided to take a drive around Lake Michigan. We're taking a short-cut to save a day's drive, and will begin by leaving Grand Rapids and driving across the Lake directly to Milwaukee. Suggestions for collecting spots in Wisconson and Michigan north of those cities would be welcome. Thanks! Kreigh From SCHATTAUER at aol.com Sun Jun 12 18:18:04 2005 From: SCHATTAUER at aol.com (SCHATTAUER@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 12 18:18:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver colored wire search Message-ID: <219.2b6f57f.2fde38cc@aol.com> Needed some help locating the company that made this wire and the wire content if possible. The wire was included in the estate sale with other jewelry and rock supplies and equipment. The square wire is in 10 ft coiled rolls, approximately 8 to 12 gauge, 1/16 to 1/8 inch thick. The four rolls are in clear bags marked, T3-4380, T3-4370, T3-3340 and T3- 3370. Other supplies in the boxes were marked "Grieger's" and with several other companies I know are no longer in business. If anyone has an old catalogue please check to see if these numbers are listed for square wire. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!...Don... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From steverd at steverd.com Sun Jun 12 18:29:56 2005 From: steverd at steverd.com (Steverd) Date: Sun Jun 12 18:32:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? In-Reply-To: <200506130100.j5D10ejU029743@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200506130100.j5D10ejU029743@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050612182627.03def198@pop.1and1.com> At 06:00 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: >[Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific > Northwest? I made a recent trip to Kaniksu National Forest, East of Usk, WA and dug for Quartz crystals there, there was 3 other cars of people there also digging.. Must be pretty well known Petrified wood on Saddle mountain. Do you have all the sites from Bob Jackson's guide books in Washington? Steverd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.reedsgreenhouse.com (African Violets and supplies) http://www.steverd.com (Classic Videogames) http://www.steverd.com/pekes (the Pekingese Page) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Jun 12 19:05:18 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sun Jun 12 19:05:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <42ACB7C2.6B48@Tomaszewski.net> References: <42ACB7C2.6B48@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <95d316a79d855e0fd836411ee7c50046@cox.net> Kreigh, Let me understand this, you are going to drive across the lake? Did you see the vehicle boat that was intercepted this week between Cuba and the US? Tell me more about it. Terrie From dhawk at EcologyFund.net Sun Jun 12 19:54:05 2005 From: dhawk at EcologyFund.net (the other angus) Date: Sun Jun 12 19:54:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] does anyone have a suggestion Message-ID: <20050613025405.D566437CF5@sitemail.everyone.net> Currently I am trying to bore a couple of holes through things such as jade and such and experiencing nothing but problems as in going through bits by the inch rather than bits every couple of pieces. I have tried the cooled variety, the dry use variety and even the cheap by the dozen variety and nothing seems to work. I get so far and then nothin it just stops working for me. DArren   ------------------------------------------ Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 12 18:19:49 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 12 20:21:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] does anyone have a suggestion References: <20050613025405.D566437CF5@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <001701c56fb6$078c66a0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Perhaps you're pushing too hard? I don't have a lot of experience, but with a cheap Sears drill press and a diamond bit, I place my rock on a block of wood in a cup of water and very slowly work the bit up and down with very little pressure. This way the bit cleans itself and doesn't overheat. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "the other angus" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] does anyone have a suggestion > Currently I am trying to bore a couple of holes through things such as jade and such and experiencing nothing but problems as in going through bits by the inch rather than bits every couple of pieces. > > I have tried the cooled variety, the dry use variety and even the cheap by the dozen variety and nothing seems to work. I get so far and then nothin it just stops working for me. > > DArren From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 12 21:08:10 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:04:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? References: <42ACB7C2.6B48@Tomaszewski.net> <95d316a79d855e0fd836411ee7c50046@cox.net> Message-ID: <42AD05D1.292C@Tomaszewski.net> Teresa Masters wrote: > > Kreigh, > Let me understand this, you are going to drive across the lake? Did you > see the vehicle boat that was intercepted this week between Cuba and > the US? Tell me more about it. > Terrie Terrie, If our 'magic' Astro van can drive straight up to space, and use hyperspectal imaging to look back under the earth, it can certainly attach a high speed ferry option available from www.lake-express.com and take the 90 minute shortcut between Muskegon and Milwaukee. Adding the drive to Muskegon from Grand Rapids, it is an 880 (direct driving miles) round trip from Grand Rapids, to Milwaukee, to Houghton, and back to Grand Rapids. I think it is 82 more across the Lake, and still much cheaper/easier than driving Grand Rapids, Chicago, Milwaukee. I'm just looking for collecting side trips between Milwaukee (WI) and Grand Rapids (MI), going via Houghton (MI). We expect some fun meanders. So yes, I am going to 'drive' across the Lake. My wife liked the idea too. Kreigh From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Jun 12 21:11:25 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:11:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <42AD05D1.292C@Tomaszewski.net> References: <42ACB7C2.6B48@Tomaszewski.net> <95d316a79d855e0fd836411ee7c50046@cox.net> <42AD05D1.292C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Kreigh, I so enjoy you. Have a wonderful trip and great rockhounding. Hugs Terrie From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 21:15:29 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:15:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <008201c56e50$f672e0d0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <20050613041529.92887.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> 100 miles west of key west give or take another 100 buried in 7000 feet of mud. --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > Where geographically is this one? > Jeanette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Stover" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > > > > take a cut though a volcano in a geology book and > that > > is what you see. A trianglur mountain maybe 2 > miles > > wide layered at an angle like materila of some > sort > > (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out and rolled > down > > it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon int TWO way > time > > tall. do not know how that equates into feet. > > > > > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > >> How did you "see" it, the sonogram?? What does a > >> billion yo volcano look > >> like on a sonogram? I can barely tell it's a > baby > >> on a prenatal sonogram, > >> much less the sex... > >> Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 21:17:15 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:17:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <061220051613.5888.42AC5F0C000722DA00001700216028074807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <20050613041716.40855.qmail@web20024.mail.yahoo.com> hmmmm . 7500 feet of wate and 250000 mfeet of rock that is what the o&g industy is now reachuing cannot wait to see the results kooooollll --- pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Here's a link to the news story about that Japanese > deep drilling project: > > http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/06/05/2003258032 > > It says they want to drill to 7000 m below the sea > floor, is an area "in the deep Pacific" (doesn't > seem to say just where) in 2500 m water depth. The > hole will be deep enought to penetrate into the top > of the mantle. The original story was June 5, in the > Yokohama Guardian. It all sounds neat to do! > > Pete > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From mmessenger at nwifc.org Sun Jun 12 21:25:42 2005 From: mmessenger at nwifc.org (Mike Messenger) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:29:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show Announcement Message-ID: WASHINGTON AGATE & MINERAL SOCIETY OF OLYMPIA AND THE TENINO ROCK CRUISERS HUGE ! 2005 Rock & Gem Rendezvous During Tenino Oregon Trail Days Parkside Elementary School, Central Ave. E. Tenino, Washington Saturday, July 23 -- 10 a.m. - 6 p.m. Sunday, July 24 -- 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. Featuring: Demonstrations Silent Auction Indoor Displays Activities for Kids Dealer Booths Snack Bar FREE ADMISSION From kadok at infowest.com Sun Jun 12 21:28:45 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:29:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <95d316a79d855e0fd836411ee7c50046@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050613042837.49AE6A11C2@marbella.infowest.com> Terrie -- I remember some years ago someone (Sunbeam?) made a sporty convertible car that you could drive across the beach and into the water, after pushing down a lever to seal the doors, switched some switch to put the power to a propeller, and off you "sailed". I think they took one out to Catalina Island once. (Or at least tried too, and I think they made it.) But I never heard anything about the vehicle after that. Margaret >Kreigh, >Let me understand this, you are going to drive across the lake? Did you >see the vehicle boat that was intercepted this week between Cuba and >the US? Tell me more about it. >Terrie _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Jun 12 21:35:52 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:35:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Not so Boring geological places References: <20050613041529.92887.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010201c56fd1$619c2c00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Is the mud or "unrock" substance really 7000 ft deep in the Gulf of Mexico?? Wonder how close that is to the Dry Tortugas and if the DTs are in anyway attached to the volcanic material?? Inquiring minds want to know... Jeanette Yeah, I used to drive my parents crazy asking questions.. > Steven Stover wrote: > 100 miles west of key west give or take another 100 > buried in 7000 feet of mud. > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > >> Where geographically is this one? >> Jeanette >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephen Stover" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock >> and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places >> >> >> > take a cut though a volcano in a geology book and >> that >> > is what you see. A trianglur mountain maybe 2 >> miles >> > wide layered at an angle like materila of some >> sort >> > (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out and rolled >> down >> > it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon int TWO way >> time >> > tall. do not know how that equates into feet. >> > >> > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 21:55:37 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:55:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show announcement: Indiana In-Reply-To: <200506130100.j5D10ejV029743@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050613045537.99156.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Fossils, Minerals, & Gemstones! Come to one of the largest mineral, gem and fossil shows in the Midwest! Bloomington, Indiana 2005. June 24-26, 2005 will draw visitors from many states to the 40th annual Gem, Mineral and Fossil Show at the Monroe County Fairgrounds near Bloomington Indiana, hosted by the Lawrence County Rock Club. This is the largest show of its kind in the Indiana, and some say one of the largest in the Midwest, featuring vendors from across the US who sell fossils, minerals, gemstones, lapidary materials and supplies, and prospecting supplies. Students will find 4-H ideas and science project material, and mineral collectors from around the region will find over 90 vendors from 21 states. Cut and uncut gemstones and finished jewelry as well as fossil dealers will tantalize collectors with dazzling new specimens and great gift opportunities for all. In addition to all the vendors, silent auctions will be conducted and opportunities will be available to join area rock clubs. Collectors will also have the chance to swap their finds with other collectors and vendors. This is also a great opportunity to meet local collectors and learn more about rocks, minerals and fossils. The regional affiliate of the Friends of Mineralogy and the Indiana Society of Paleontology will be meeting on Saturday at noon and 1:30 pm, respectively. Mine Quarry Safety Training class will also be available. This is a great place for adults, students and families to learn about geology in Indiana and about the treasures of the earth. The show runs from 10:00 am to 6:30 pm on Friday, 9:00 am to 6:30 pm on Saturday and 9:00am to 4pm on Sunday. The Monroe County Fairgrounds, west of Bloomington can be reached from State Road 37, to SR 45 South. Go 1.2 miles on SR45, turn right (west) on Airport Road for 0.7 miles. Fairground located on the right. Admission and parking are free! For more information, contact Dave Treffinger, 812-295-3463. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Jun 12 22:24:22 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sun Jun 12 22:24:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? OT In-Reply-To: <20050613042837.49AE6A11C2@marbella.infowest.com> References: <20050613042837.49AE6A11C2@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: <0653bd1e93ee74905cb69543758f2ad8@cox.net> Margaret, I owned the Sunbeam Alpine, and yes you are correct. Remember Maxwell Smart and his Sunbeam Tiger? Terrie From johnjold at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 22:39:16 2005 From: johnjold at comcast.net (John Joldersma) Date: Sun Jun 12 22:39:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY Message-ID: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net> The situation has gotten worse for the casual digger in the Herkimer Diamond area. I wrote a summary of commercial mines for the Indian Mounds Rock Club newsletter in Wyoming MI just 3 years ago and it is now totally outdated. Crystal Grove has changed, it used to be relatively easy digging. Last fall it was all very difficult digging. Also there is no pocket layer at this mine. I have been told there should be a pocket layer at least every 23 feet in a quartz formation. It could be an interesting place to dig with a pocket layer. As is, it is mini-pockets and mostly contact crystals. Treasure mountain drew the regular local diggers and was always mostly claimed up. They got shut down by the state last year due to lack of insurance. I am unsure of the current status of this mine. Herkimer Diamond Development in Middleville is mostly interesting for the museum and rock shop. The mine itself is dug out completely through the water course layer of crystals below the pocket layer. The walls are under cut and drilled. The Ace of Diamonds next door to Herkimer Diamond Development has gone way commercial and is not the pleasant place to dig and camp that it was in the late 80's when I first dug there. This is a difficult mine. Tools are limited to 12lb hammers and you must leave the mine for a period after getting a pocket. The heavy equipment of the commercial operation might prove distracting to the rockhound used to wilderness. The best places for the casual rockhound to dig currently are near Fonda. The Hickory Hill mine is only open from Thursday through Monday during Memorial Day weekend, The Fourth of July weekend and Labor Day weekend. Due to the limited amount of exposure and the large area of the mine, there are fresh places to dig. The cost is $5/day. This is the only mine I have not personally visited. I had intended to last year, I was digging nearby at Diamond Acres and intended to leave the area after picking up my equipment on Saturday morning. However I hit an unexpected pocket late Friday afternoon and worked until afternoon on Sat getting it out. I was way too beat up to even walk around the other mine after that. I have talked to regular diggers from there and the place comes highly recommended. Diamond Acres has its own charm. I moved there in 1987 after a couple of seasons at Middleville. In 1999 after returning from 3 years in Asia I started a new hole in an area I got interested in while exploring in 1988. It took since then to remove 6 feet of rock and get into the first pocket layer. Your best chance for crystals from this mine is to hook up with me. I have a lot of crystals from my first 2 claims. I am more interested in getting this hole bigger than in the crystals that will be found during the digging. I intend to be generous with anyone who helps this year. This mine has 3 pocket layers with the third layer down being the most interesting layer. My finest individual Herkimer came from the third layer. It is an inch and 1/2 perfect double terminated crystal with a sidecar crystal. It is also a very rare smokey phantom crystal of a type called a chevron phantom since the inner smokey crystal looks like military stripes. On top of that it also has 2 anhydros. That one was a keeper!!! There are about 100 active claims at Diamond Acres. I try for one 2 week period and possibly 2 periods this year. My hole is very wet. I try to come during the hot part of the summer. It is even pleasant to be soaking wet during the hot weather. It does get nasty in the Fall however. I am not going to expect you to beat rocks like a convict in a 30's prison movie. I have a lot of heavy digging tools and could use help with the shovel and wheelbarrow. This year I am shooting for late July and early August as the time for the first dig and mid to late Sept for the second. Feel free to contact me off list if interested. This is a good area to visit. I have been coming long enough that some of the Amish who sell fresh vegetables and baked goods now recognize me. The great couple that run Royal Mountain Campground host many of the regular diggers. Nearby are the Howe Caverns, Cooperstown and Albany From s.eva at localport.it Mon Jun 13 00:24:49 2005 From: s.eva at localport.it (S.Eva) Date: Mon Jun 13 00:22:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Benvenuti Eva (tango juli) Message-ID: <004f01c56fe8$fc2758a0$8300a8c0@EVA> Hello Tina! I live 30 km north of Turin, not far from Aosta Valley. Unfortunatelly, in Italy all the mines are closed and we can't dig crystal wherever we want... but there is a Valley here, it's name is Valchiusella where sometimes we can dig. There we find beautiful pyrite, hematitis, quartz, apophillite, aragonite (white and light blue), garnets. There is a cavern in which the walls are all made of pyrite... it's wonderful! Here is a link that I think you can find interesting, you will find all the minerals that are in my land: http://digilander.libero.it/mineralweb/ Sorry it's only in italian. I lived in Trentino as well... only for two months, in Bolzano. I love Trentino and Dolomiti... they're wonderful! Unfortunatelly, I livede there when I didn't had interest in crystal... the same as you! :o) Cheers! Eva --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Bobg532 at netscape.net Mon Jun 13 05:01:49 2005 From: Bobg532 at netscape.net (Bob G) Date: Mon Jun 13 05:02:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <20050613042837.49AE6A11C2@marbella.infowest.com> References: <20050613042837.49AE6A11C2@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: <42AD75AD.9060904@netscape.net> That sounds like the Dutch Amphicar of the late fifties early sixties. It had a Triumph engine and two 10 inch nylon props. There wasn't much freeboard and the water speed was slow so it wouldn't handle Lake Michigan. A friend had one in Austin Texas and we would visit islands in it.. Bob kadok@infowest.com wrote: >Terrie -- >I remember some years ago someone (Sunbeam?) made a sporty convertible car >that you could drive across the beach and into the water, after pushing down >a lever to seal the doors, switched some switch to put the power to a >propeller, and off you "sailed". I think they took one out to Catalina >Island once. (Or at least tried too, and I think they made it.) But I never >heard anything about the vehicle after that. > >Margaret > > > > >>Kreigh, >>Let me understand this, you are going to drive across the lake? Did you >>see the vehicle boat that was intercepted this week between Cuba and >>the US? Tell me more about it. >>Terrie >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 06:59:02 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jun 13 06:59:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <42AD05D1.292C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20050613135903.16249.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com> I imagine it would be the best bet for you, starting from Grand Rapids. I looked at that possibility the last time I went to the UP, but for me, starting from north central Indiana, the Chicago route made more sense. The cost of taking our 25 ft. travel trailer on the ferry was also a big factor. We didn't make any side trips, other than to the Ishpeming show. That's on the weekend before Keweenaw Week, and worth the trip. It's a one-day show on Saturday, and they run field trips on Friday and Sunday. Sunday is always the Lindberg Quarry for Kona Dolomite. Jim > still much cheaper/easier than driving Grand Rapids, > Chicago, Milwaukee. > So yes, I am going to 'drive' across the Lake. My > wife liked the idea > too. > > Kreigh __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 07:20:50 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 13 07:20:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <20050613041529.92887.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds close to Dry Tortugas Glenn >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > >100 miles west of key west give or take another 100 >buried in 7000 feet of mud. > > >--- Jeanette Wimpee <geenet2@mchsi.com> wrote: > > > Where geographically is this one? > > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Stover" <xossfs@yahoo.com> > > > > > > take a cut though a volcano in a geology book and > > that > > > is what you see. A trianglur mountain maybe 2 > > miles > > > wide layered at an angle like materila of some > > sort > > > (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out and rolled > > down > > > it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon int TWO way > > time > > > tall. do not know how that equates into feet. > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee <geenet2@mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > > >> How did you "see" it, the sonogram?? What does a > > >> billion yo volcano look > > >> like on a sonogram? I can barely tell it's a > > baby > > >> on a prenatal sonogram, > > >> much less the sex... > > >> Jeanette ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 08:29:25 2005 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Mon Jun 13 08:29:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in the UP, MI Message-ID: <20050613152926.14431.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While we are on the subject of the UP, what other type of collecting is available there besides copper? What is the location? Thanks for the help June __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at nac.net Mon Jun 13 09:13:46 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Mon Jun 13 09:13:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) In-Reply-To: <00e401c56bed$f40dbf50$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000001c57032$e104a1a0$c5e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Hello Jeanette, Sorry to take so long to reply to your request -- I've been largely away from the computer for a few days (nice break, that . . .). The land-surface scarp of one of the larger faults in the Houston area, the Long Point fault, can be viewed on Topozone. The center of the scarp is at UTM coordinates 15 255786E, 3298818N, on the Hedwig Village quadrangle. The 85-ft contour line south of Long Point Road is roughly where the active trace of the fault is, and the 90-ft contour line lies near the top of the scarp. The fault trends ENE. Note that the 5-ft contour interval on this map is HUGE for an area as flat as the Texas Gulf Coast and is not good for viewing features such as fault scarps, few of which exceed 2 ft in height. The scarp of the Long Point fault, however, is one of the highest in the Houston area. This fault is also one of the most damaging and breaks nearly every road and house that has been built atop it, for miles. We traced it for about 10 miles back in the 1970s and published a map showing it and other faults nearby. The Long Point fault and others like it, of general ENE trend, originated from the slow slump of the thick sediment pile toward the Gulf of Mexico. The faults are thus natural, not man-induced. Numerous other faults formed above salt domes as they flowed upwards to intrude the overlying sediments. Many of these faults, well more than a hundred of them, have broken the land surface and the structures built upon them. Movement rates of 1-2 cm/year, sometimes more, have been documented across some of them, and they have caused millions of dollars in property damage. Much of the historic movement has been blamed on fluid withdrawal (chiefly water, but also oil and gas), though again, the faults themselves are natural, and prehistoric movement along some of them can be documented. The best topographic expression of some of the early faults is shown on maps created in 1911-1912. These have a 1-ft contour interval and show some of the fault scarps quite nicely. This was also before much groundwater production in Houston and is another in the long line of evidence that suggests some of the early fault offset of the land surface was due to natural causes. If you're really, really interested in these things I can give you the USGS publication references for the maps that show them. The accompanying text also provides a lot of user-friendly information. Cheers- Earl -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Wimpee [mailto:geenet2@mchsi.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:50 AM To: everbeek@nac.net; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) I'd love to see the fault lines in the Houston area. Can you find one on the topo maps at Terraserver or Topozone, copy the coordinates and send them to me?? Are these from subsidence of the land mass over the continental shelf, or faults deeper into the bedrock. Don't know how to ask that in geological terms, I'm not a geologists, just an interested rock hound. Speaking of flat land....you get an appreciation for the relative "flatness" of the land from 30,000 feet up. I got some great pictures of the land forms on our flight to Salt Lake City. I was lucky enough to get an airplane that was a newer model and the windows were very clean and clear. I purposefully chose (free seating on Southwest) the side of the plane away from the sun so I could virtually hang out the window and take shots. IF anyone is interested in landforms from way up high, take a look. The photos are the low res versions for faster viewing. Warning: There are 133 photos taken during the flight from New Orleans to Salt Lake City, and I didn't start taking photos until we passed Houston. http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password =51251225 Jeanette > > However, when we looked back through the geological record, there still > were > quite a few faults visible at the land surface on early aerial photographs > from the 1930's, when groundwater production was at a minimum. Also, some > of the larger faults are clearly visible on topographic maps made in 1912, > and some quite prominent faults outside the Houston metro area are in > rural > parts of the Gulf Coast where little or no fluid production has ever taken > place. Not all of the offset of the land surface, then, can be blamed on > fluid production -- some of it must be natural. > > Some of the larger fault scarps, including several in the Baytown area, > show > a narrow, steep scarp superimposed on a much larger, gentle slope between > two otherwise nearly level blocks of land. The narrow scarp is a product > of > historically recent movement and likely is due in large part to fluid > production. The broad, gentle scarps are prehistoric and due to natural > fault movements that offset the land surface. There is still controversy > over how much fault movement is natural and how much is due to fluid > withdrawal, but it's clear that fault movements and subsidence have slowed > dramatically since Houston made concerted efforts to go to surface water > supplies. > > Several of us (retirees from USGS and NASA) last year compiled a surface > fault map of the Baytown area for publication by the USGS and/or the > Harris-Galveston Coastal Subsidence District. No publication date has > been > set, but at least the information exists and will soon, we hope, be made > public. > From Lapidry at aol.com Mon Jun 13 09:44:11 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 13 09:44:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in the UP, MI Message-ID: <1ac.39e679a8.2fdf11db@aol.com> In a message dated 6/13/2005 11:29:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, jayhawkmn@yahoo.com writes: While we are on the subject of the UP, what other type of collecting is available there besides copper? What is the location? Thanks for the help June: Specular hematite at the old Champion Mine in Champion. Several other minerals too on the dump piles. May be off limits, I heard a rumor to that extent. K ona Dolomiite (someone help me on the correct name, senior moment) from the dolomite quarry near Ishpeming - some very attractive patterns and fairly hard, takes a polish. The copper mines themselves have a few other minerals. Not just copper. Hope this helps.... Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Mon Jun 13 10:06:20 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Jun 13 10:06:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? OT In-Reply-To: <0653bd1e93ee74905cb69543758f2ad8@cox.net> Message-ID: <20050613170608.05CE8A106F@marbella.infowest.com> Yes, I surely do! I had a '55 T-bird, and I drove in sports car rallies (navigational ones). Had quite a few Alpines as fellow competitors. Those were the days! Margaret Margaret, I owned the Sunbeam Alpine, and yes you are correct. Remember Maxwell Smart and his Sunbeam Tiger? Terrie _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Mon Jun 13 10:08:28 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Jun 13 10:08:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <42AD75AD.9060904@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20050613170817.5460CA11C9@marbella.infowest.com> Oh, yes, that "Amphicar" name has a vaguely familiar ring. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob G Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:02 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? That sounds like the Dutch Amphicar of the late fifties early sixties. It had a Triumph engine and two 10 inch nylon props. There wasn't much freeboard and the water speed was slow so it wouldn't handle Lake Michigan. A friend had one in Austin Texas and we would visit islands in it.. Bob kadok@infowest.com wrote: >Terrie -- >I remember some years ago someone (Sunbeam?) made a sporty convertible car >that you could drive across the beach and into the water, after pushing down >a lever to seal the doors, switched some switch to put the power to a >propeller, and off you "sailed". I think they took one out to Catalina >Island once. (Or at least tried too, and I think they made it.) But I never >heard anything about the vehicle after that. > >Margaret > > > > >>Kreigh, >>Let me understand this, you are going to drive across the lake? Did you >>see the vehicle boat that was intercepted this week between Cuba and >>the US? Tell me more about it. >>Terrie >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 13 13:04:24 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Jun 13 13:04:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) Message-ID: <061320052004.10580.42ADE6C7000D6C68000029542197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Taking some time to answer an email is the beauty of it. Doesn't have the insistency of the phone or pager :-) Thank you for the interesting reply. I appreciate the info. I'll look it up on Topozone. Flying over Houston you can't help but notice how high the water table must be and how flat that area is overall. "Puddles" everywhere. We flew over the outskirts of Houston on our way to SLC. "Slump" is the word I was trying to think of to describe the subsidence quakes we get down here. We have a Salt Dome about 80 miles north of here. I've been wanting to get a look at that area. Now that is an interesting, maybe not so boring phenomenon. If the salt is being squeezed up into a dome, why does it not break thru the surface as a big area of salt. Duh, I think I just answered my own question. As much rain as we get it probably dissolves and disperses before it can get to the surface. Which leads to another question. Why wouldn't the area around it either be barren from the salt content or at least be a whole different ecosystem from the surrounding flora. I looked up some info about salt domes and found out how they form but not the environmental impact. One interesting note: there was (or is) a salt water spring that was used by the Indians and early settlers to make their salt supply. Another interesting thing to chase down. Jeanette > Hello Jeanette, > > Sorry to take so long to reply to your request -- I've been largely away > from the computer for a few days (nice break, that . . .). > From lynn.p.h at comcast.net Mon Jun 13 14:35:31 2005 From: lynn.p.h at comcast.net (Lynn Pacione-Holman) Date: Mon Jun 13 14:35:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] who collects in the inland Pacific Northwest? In-Reply-To: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> References: <060820051749.4884.42A72F8F000A91EC0000131421603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <42ADFC23.5090005@comcast.net> Hey Don - I used to collect from the Inland NW (Idaho) -- lots of pretty purple-red garnet from the Emerald Creek mine, and some brownish-red garnet dodecs from the Riggins vicinity. Also, when the new Riggins bridge was being excavated, I found some soapstone/talc on the side of the road (of course, the excavation guys had already taken the marble/neat granite). There might also still be some neat zeolites in the road cuts just outside of Riggins. I found some sweet ones, for certain (and had a 10 foot fall, breaking open my knuckle to the bone - so be careful!). Haven't been there for years though. Also belonged to a rock club that had permission to dig on a few private sites for garnet and corundum - also awhile ago. Idaho isn't called the 'Gem State' for nothing! :-) What ever you can find, it'll likely be enjoyable! You might get Lanny Ream's guide(s) to digging in those areas - I found them invaluable. - Lynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- morningstar@att.net wrote: >Howdy, > >So does anyone here collect in what I have learned is the *inland* NW? For example, Latah County, ID? SE Washington, NE Oregon (it all comes together at a point?) > >Also, what are people trying to collect? I get the impression a lot of people up there collect agates, petrified wood, and gemstone material. I already know some spots, but the material I saw was mostly of interest to micro collectors and people who like things such as columnar basalt, breccias, copper secondaries from an old mine dump, things like that. There are star garnets available, but I'll find their locality later. > >Any thoughts? > > >Don > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rockcurrier at cs.com Mon Jun 13 17:12:50 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Mon Jun 13 17:00:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charcoal Making References: <200506130100.j5D10ejW029743@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <018701c57075$cfc78090$6901a8c0@rock3> Kitty wanting to know about charcoalized tree trunks. Well here is some speculation and charcoal stuff that I have encounterd during my travels looking for mineral specimens in various places. Charcoal making is a profession or at least a job that millions of people throughout history have done to provide themselves with a clean burning fuel or to make a clean burning fuel for the "rich people" who didn't want to fool around making it. Even today it is made as a cottage industry in Zaire and sold in bags along side the roads to travelers. It is the travelers in Zaire that are the wealthy people. They have cars or at least some sort of transportation to carry the sacks, so that makes them wealthy and good customers for the charcoal. Brazil has no coal that can be turned into coke, a similar process to the making of charcoal. Huge commercial farms of eucalyptus trees are raised to be turned into charcoal for the smelting of iron. It is used in place of coke. 5000 truck loads a day of charcoal brought into the steel making region in Minas Gerais (General Mines) to provide the raw material for the iron industry. Many smaller commercial ventures make charcoal for the iron industry there. Farmers who raise cattle periodically have to have their grazing land cleared out of brush (small trees) and to do this they usually call in the charcoal makers who will come in and clear cut all the small trees and large bushes. They let it dry and while it is drying they build bee hive shaped charcoal ovens our of the local mud. They load them up with the twigs and small limbs and tree trunks and light them on fire. They carefully control the amount of air (oxygen) that is allowed to enter the ovens by removing and replacing small wood bricks in the sides of the ovens. In a few hours when water and other organic volatiles have been driven off or combusted they have a few cubic yards of charcoal. They let the charcoal cool and then load it onto trucks. Once in a while they don't let the charcoal cool enough and an ember is fanned to life by the ample air supply the charcoal receives during its truck ride to the refinery and it sets the entire truck of charcoal on fire. I have seen several burnt out trucks by the road in Brazil up in part of Minas Gerais that produce the quartz crystals. Once in a while a drive is able to save his truck by driving it into a river. I have even seen charcoal kilns in the region of the quartz crystals that have small quartz crystals embedded in the mud bricks that make up the kilns. The process by which the tree trunks are carbonized by lava must be nearly identical to the process by which charcoal is made. If you GOOGLE charcoal, you will get something over 4.5 million hits, but the first one is a site that will tell you how to make charcoal. I suspect that the conditions to make charcoal for fuel will be nearly identical to that of the charcoal you find in the remains of tree trunks in the lava fields. Rock From buss_r at msn.com Thu Jun 9 21:47:59 2005 From: buss_r at msn.com (Rebecca Buss) Date: Mon Jun 13 17:34:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Prineville, Oregon Rockhound Pow Wow Message-ID: June 23-26, 2005 PRINEVILLE, OREGON 60th Annual Celebration for Prineville Rockhound Jewelry, Gem and Mineral Show. Crook County Fairgrounds, Prineville, Oregon. Public welcome, free admission. Approximately 60 dealers with minerals, fossils, crystals, agate, gems, hand crafted items, and jewelry. Schedule of Events: Thursday - Dealers open 9 am-6 pm: 8 pm Ceremony honoring our early rock hounds from the area including Display cases, presentations and refreshments. Friday - 7:30 am - Field trip for petrified wood; 9 am-6 pm Dealers open; 6:30 pm Potluck, Dealers' meeting (public invited); 8 pm-10 pm Old Time Fiddlers Jam. Saturday - 7:30 am - Field trip to Tube Agate Beds; 9 am-6 pm Dealers open; 11:00 am Rodeo Parade (Prineville Rockhound Pow Wow float included), 7:00 pm - Public auction featuring great deals on agates, gems, minerals, and jewelry. Sunday 7:30 am - Field trip to Polka Dot Agate; 7:30 am - Old Timers Breakfast in Carey Foster Hall; 9 am-4 pm Dealers open. Contact: Rebecca Buss 541-546-9473 email: Prinevillepowwow@msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 18:37:49 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Jun 13 18:37:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Eva benvenuti In-Reply-To: <200506140103.j5E13IlF030663@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050614013750.97779.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Eva-- You're near wine country! Course, everything in italy is wine country. I only visited torino once, so didn't see much of it. The website you referenced was nice--love the colors and picture! I wish I'd have known more about your region when I lived there. I too lived in Bolzano, briefly; my ex husband was working there. Between Mezzocorona and the next town north in the valley, there is a galena or pyrite mine--I forget which on the east side of the mountain ridge, not far from the road. It is a nature trail or park. I went walking there once--hiked up a couple hundred feet. I remember a historical marker about it being mined during WWII for use in ammunitions (someone on the list will figure out which mineral it is from that tidbit). South of there were the dinosaur tracks. I remember seeing an exhibit once in Bolzano of local minerals--and they were spectacular, so someone's collecting up there! Anyway, I wish I could go back there. Even if I struck out with the minerals, there are a bunch of castles that demand exploration--especially the one carved out of rock pueblo style above mezzocorona--grotto castle I think it was called. tina Message: 16 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:24:49 +0200 From: "S.Eva" Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Benvenuti Eva (tango juli) To: Message-ID: <004f01c56fe8$fc2758a0$8300a8c0@EVA> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Hello Tina! I live 30 km north of Turin, not far from Aosta Valley. Unfortunatelly, in Italy all the mines are closed and we can't dig crystal wherever we want... but there is a Valley here, it's name is Valchiusella where sometimes we can dig. There we find beautiful pyrite, hematitis, quartz, apophillite, aragonite (white and light blue), garnets. There is a cavern in which the walls are all made of pyrite... it's wonderful! Here is a link that I think you can find interesting, you will find all the minerals that are in my land: http://digilander.libero.it/mineralweb/ Sorry it's only in italian. I lived in Trentino as well... only for two months, in Bolzano. I love Trentino and Dolomiti... they're wonderful! U __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jun 13 20:20:55 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 13 20:14:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in the UP, MI References: <1ac.39e679a8.2fdf11db@aol.com> Message-ID: <42AE4B7E.4263@Tomaszewski.net> You are probably thinking of dolomite (sometimes with fossil stromatolites) from the Kona formation, commonly known as Kona Dolomite. Lapidry@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/13/2005 11:29:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jayhawkmn@yahoo.com writes: > > While we are on the subject of the UP, what other type of collecting is > available there besides copper? What is the location? > Thanks for the help > > June: > > Specular hematite at the old Champion Mine in Champion. Several other > minerals too on the dump piles. May be off limits, I heard a rumor to that extent. K > ona Dolomiite (someone help me on the correct name, senior moment) from the > dolomite quarry near Ishpeming - some very attractive patterns and fairly > hard, takes a polish. The copper mines themselves have a few other minerals. Not > just copper. > > Hope this helps.... > > Dan From kahako at verizon.net Mon Jun 13 20:56:34 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jun 13 20:56:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charcoal Making In-Reply-To: <018701c57075$cfc78090$6901a8c0@rock3> References: <200506130100.j5D10ejW029743@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <018701c57075$cfc78090$6901a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050613174634.02645940@incoming.verizon.net> Very interesting, Rock. I did look at that site about making charcoal, and that is what prompted my question, because it says that a kiln or furnace or some other way of limiting the amount of air is required. The charcoal I saw appeared to be open to the air. I think Kreigh may have a point when he said that it assumes a fast lava advance. The only tree molds (with or without charcoal) I have seen are in pahoehoe (fast-moving) flows, never in a'a (slow moving) ones. Aloha, Kitty At 02:12 PM 6/13/2005, Rock wrote: >Kitty wanting to know about charcoalized tree trunks. If you GOOGLE >charcoal, >you will get something over 4.5 million hits, but the first one is a site >that will tell you how to make charcoal. I suspect that the conditions to >make charcoal for fuel will be nearly identical to that of the charcoal you >find in the remains of tree trunks in the lava fields. From xossfs at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 21:06:58 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Mon Jun 13 21:06:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Not so Boring geological places In-Reply-To: <010201c56fd1$619c2c00$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <20050614040658.88225.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> no the keys are reef material. an dyes uncloslidated sand shale and mud gets pretty deep in the Gulf. The volcano and DT's have nuttin in common execpt earth. --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > Is the mud or "unrock" substance really 7000 ft deep > in the Gulf of Mexico?? > Wonder how close that is to the Dry Tortugas and if > the DTs are in anyway > attached to the volcanic material?? Inquiring minds > want to know... > Jeanette > Yeah, I used to drive my parents crazy asking > questions.. > > > > > Steven Stover wrote: > > 100 miles west of key west give or take another > 100 > > buried in 7000 feet of mud. > > > > > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > >> Where geographically is this one? > >> Jeanette > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Stephen Stover" > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock > >> and gem collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:36 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places > >> > >> > >> > take a cut though a volcano in a geology book > and > >> that > >> > is what you see. A trianglur mountain maybe 2 > >> miles > >> > wide layered at an angle like materila of some > >> sort > >> > (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out and > rolled > >> down > >> > it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon int TWO > way > >> time > >> > tall. do not know how that equates into feet. > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From xossfs at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 21:07:44 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Mon Jun 13 21:07:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Boring geological places In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050614040744.48755.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > Sounds close to Dry Tortugas > > Glenn > > >From: Stephen Stover <xossfs@yahoo.com> > > > >100 miles west of key west give or take another > 100 > >buried in 7000 feet of mud. > > > > > >--- Jeanette Wimpee <geenet2@mchsi.com> > wrote: > > > > > Where geographically is this one? > > > Jeanette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Stover" > <xossfs@yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > take a cut though a volcano in a > geology book and > > > that > > > > is what you see. A trianglur mountain > maybe 2 > > > miles > > > > wide layered at an angle like > materila of some > > > sort > > > > (ash, rhyolite or what not flowed out > and rolled > > > down > > > > it side. It was about 3/4 of a secon > int TWO way > > > time > > > > tall. do not > know how that equates into feet. > > > > > > > > --- Jeanette Wimpee > <geenet2@mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> How did you "see" it, the > sonogram?? What does a > > > >> billion yo volcano look > > > >> like on a sonogram? I can barely > tell it's a > > > baby > > > >> on a prenatal sonogram, > > > >> much less the sex... > > > >> Jeanette > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload > jokes, photos and more. It's free! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From xossfs at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 21:10:47 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Mon Jun 13 21:10:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) In-Reply-To: <061320052004.10580.42ADE6C7000D6C68000029542197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050614041047.82803.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> > Flying over Houston you can't help but notice how > high the water table must be > and how flat that area is overall. "Puddles" > everywhere. Now you understand when a neighbor turns on the sprinklers we get street floods ;-) Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 13 19:17:52 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 13 21:18:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charcoal Making References: <200506130100.j5D10ejW029743@bubbleator.drizzle.com><018701c57075$cfc78090$6901a8c0@rock3> <6.2.1.2.0.20050613174634.02645940@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001f01c57087$4b90bdc0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> My uneducated thought was that, perhaps, during a lava flow there is a lack of oxygen at ground level due to fumes, etc. allowing the charcoal to form. John > Very interesting, Rock. I did look at that site about making charcoal, and > that is what prompted my question, because it says that a kiln or furnace > or some other way of limiting the amount of air is required. The charcoal > I saw appeared to be open to the air. I think Kreigh may have a point when > he said that it assumes a fast lava advance. The only tree molds (with or > without charcoal) I have seen are in pahoehoe (fast-moving) flows, never in > a'a (slow moving) ones. > > Aloha, Kitty From Paintricks at aol.com Mon Jun 13 22:28:37 2005 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 13 22:28:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) Message-ID: <30.74893c31.2fdfc505@aol.com> In a message dated 6/13/2005 3:05:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, geenet2@mchsi.com writes: We have a Salt Dome about 80 miles north of here. I've been wanting to get a look at that area Where exactly is the dome? Is there sulfur associated with it? Sounds close to us here. Thanks, Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 13 22:52:57 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 13 22:52:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) References: <30.74893c31.2fdfc505@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c570a5$50ecad10$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> This salt dome is near MacIntosh Alabama on Hwy 45 north of Mobile. Are you in that area? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) > > In a message dated 6/13/2005 3:05:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, > geenet2@mchsi.com writes: > > We have a Salt Dome about 80 miles north of here. I've been wanting to > get a > look at that area > > > Where exactly is the dome? Is there sulfur associated with it? > Sounds close to us here. > Thanks, > Kevin > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 13 22:56:40 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 13 22:56:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) References: <20050614041047.82803.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007e01c570a5$d5a34910$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> We can relate to that, a lot of streets in Mobile flood every time it rains a little. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Stover" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) > > >> Flying over Houston you can't help but notice how >> high the water table must be >> and how flat that area is overall. "Puddles" >> everywhere. > > Now you understand when a neighbor turns on the > sprinklers we get street floods ;-) > From llbullbull at hotmail.com Tue Jun 14 05:29:18 2005 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Tue Jun 14 05:29:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY In-Reply-To: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net> Message-ID: Regarding Treasure Mountain it is closed and up for sale as of a few weeks ago. As a friend I know made a visit. Larry Bull >From: John Joldersma >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com": A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors >CC: John Joldersma >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Benchmark Quarry in St Johnsville NY Date: Mon, >13 Jun 2005 01:39:16 -0400 > > The situation has gotten worse for the casual digger in the Herkimer >Diamond area. I wrote a summary of commercial mines for the Indian Mounds >Rock Club newsletter in Wyoming MI just 3 years ago and it is now totally >outdated. > Crystal Grove has changed, it used to be relatively easy digging. Last >fall it was all very difficult digging. Also there is no pocket layer at >this mine. I have been told there should be a pocket layer at least every >23 feet in a quartz formation. It could be an interesting place to dig >with a pocket layer. As is, it is mini-pockets and mostly contact >crystals. > Treasure mountain drew the regular local diggers and was always mostly >claimed up. They got shut down by the state last year due to lack of >insurance. I am unsure of the current status of this mine. > Herkimer Diamond Development in Middleville is mostly interesting for >the museum and rock shop. The mine itself is dug out completely through >the water course layer of crystals below the pocket layer. The walls are >under cut and drilled. > The Ace of Diamonds next door to Herkimer Diamond Development has >gone way commercial and is not the pleasant place to dig and camp that it >was in the late 80's when I first dug there. This is a difficult mine. >Tools are limited to 12lb hammers and you must leave the mine for a period >after getting a pocket. The heavy equipment of the commercial operation >might prove distracting to the rockhound used to wilderness. > The best places for the casual rockhound to dig currently are near >Fonda. The Hickory Hill mine is only open from Thursday through Monday >during Memorial Day weekend, The Fourth of July weekend and Labor Day >weekend. Due to the limited amount of exposure and the large area of the >mine, there are fresh places to dig. The cost is $5/day. >This is the only mine I have not personally visited. I had intended to >last year, I was digging nearby at Diamond Acres and intended to leave the >area after picking up my equipment on Saturday morning. However I hit an >unexpected pocket late Friday afternoon and worked until afternoon on Sat >getting it out. I was way too beat up to even walk around the other mine >after that. I have talked to regular diggers from there and the place >comes highly recommended. > Diamond Acres has its own charm. I moved there in 1987 after a >couple of seasons at Middleville. In 1999 after returning from 3 years in >Asia I started a new hole in an area I got interested in while exploring in >1988. It took since then to remove 6 feet of rock and get into the first >pocket layer. Your best chance for crystals from this mine is to hook up >with me. I have a lot of crystals from my first 2 claims. I am more >interested in getting this hole bigger than in the crystals that will be >found during the digging. I intend to be generous with anyone who helps >this year. This mine has 3 pocket layers with the third layer down being >the most interesting layer. My finest individual Herkimer came from the >third layer. It is an inch and 1/2 perfect double terminated crystal with >a sidecar crystal. It is also a very rare smokey phantom crystal of a type >called a chevron phantom since the inner smokey crystal looks like military >stripes. On top of that it also has 2 anhydros. That one was a keeper!!! > There are about 100 active claims at Diamond Acres. I try for one 2 >week period and possibly 2 periods this year. My hole is very wet. I try >to come during the hot part of the summer. It is even pleasant to be >soaking wet during the hot weather. It does get nasty in the Fall however. > I am not going to expect you to beat rocks like a convict in a 30's >prison movie. I have a lot of heavy digging tools and could use help with >the shovel and wheelbarrow. This year I am shooting for late July and >early August as the time for the first dig and mid to late Sept for the >second. Feel free to contact me off list if interested. > This is a good area to visit. I have been coming long enough that >some of the Amish who sell fresh vegetables and baked goods now recognize >me. The great couple that run Royal Mountain Campground host many of the >regular diggers. Nearby are the Howe Caverns, Cooperstown and Albany > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Paintricks at aol.com Tue Jun 14 06:00:37 2005 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 14 06:00:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) Message-ID: We are near Grand Saline in north East Texas. There is a salt dome there that is mined by Morton Salt. Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 06:38:49 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jun 14 06:38:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Eva benvenuti In-Reply-To: <20050614013750.97779.qmail@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050614133850.76489.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> The most obvious possibility would be the galena- an ore of lead, used to make bullets. Jim Daly > there is a galena or pyrite mine--I forget which on > the east side of the mountain ridge, not far from > the > road. It is a nature trail or park. I went walking > there once--hiked up a couple hundred feet. I > remember > a historical marker about it being mined during WWII > for use in ammunitions (someone on the list will > figure out which mineral it is from that tidbit) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 06:49:30 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jun 14 06:49:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charcoal Making In-Reply-To: <018701c57075$cfc78090$6901a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <20050614134930.76725.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> THe tree molds are generally narrow and deep (the shape of the tree). The heat of the lava causes an updraft, so oxygen moves away from the hole, and thus the organic material (wood) burns in an oxygen-deficient atmosphere, forming charcoal. Imagine trying to burn trash in a steel barrel without any vents on the bottom- you don't get complete combustion, it just smolders and goes out. Jim Daly --- Rock Currier wrote: > Kitty wanting to know about charcoalized tree > trunks. I suspect > that the conditions to > make charcoal for fuel will be nearly identical to > that of the charcoal you > find in the remains of tree trunks in the lava > fields. > > Rock __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Tue Jun 14 06:03:35 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Tue Jun 14 06:56:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: ENCARTA Programme Message-ID: <000d01c570e8$e32937a0$ce3e27c4@privatehome> Hi list, Forwarding this question again, as there may have been replies from June 8th to 15th, but for some reason I was unable to receive any messages during that time. Any help would be appreciated. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: Horst Windisch To: rockhounds Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: ENCARTA Programme Hi list, Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Tue Jun 14 07:18:25 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Tue Jun 14 07:20:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: ENCARTA Programme Message-ID: <007301c570ec$38ff5ee0$ce3e27c4@privatehome> Hi list, Resending this request as for some reason or other I was not able to receive e-mail messages from 8th to 15th June. Hopefully somebody can help me? Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: Horst Windisch To: rockhounds Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: ENCARTA Programme Hi list, Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Tue Jun 14 07:21:37 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Tue Jun 14 07:22:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: ENCARTA Programme Message-ID: <008201c570ec$7f11e880$ce3e27c4@privatehome> Hi list, Resending this e-mail, as for some reason I was unable tp be contacted from 8th June to date. Possibly somebody can help mer? Kind regards Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: Horst Windisch To: rockhounds Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: ENCARTA Programme Hi list, Have just noticed that I blocked out all messages from the list by having a MS Anti-spyware programme installed on 1st June. Since then no e-mails from the list. Have just disabled it now. Whilst in Europe, I twice came across mineral collectors who had a Microsoft programme called ENCARTA installed on their PC. I was told I must get the "Professional" version, as this is the one that gives GPS co-ordinates of localities/towns etc, which the "Standard" programme does not do. The programme I saw in Germany was one in German, but I am looking for the English edition. I contacted Microsoft here in South Africa, as well as a few software dealers and they only had the "Premium" version, knew nothing about the "Professional" version. The question now arises, does anyone know if the "Premium" is identical to the "Professional"? The collector who told me it was the "Professional" version does not have e-mail and may have mixed up the two words - Premium and Professional The other one who has e-mail is away on a six weeks vacation, so am not able to verify. I do need the one with the GPS facility and I don't want to spend unnecessary cash on something which in the end does not satisfy my needs. Any help from liost members? Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Tue Jun 14 10:11:26 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Tue Jun 14 10:11:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: ENCARTA Programme In-Reply-To: <007301c570ec$38ff5ee0$ce3e27c4@privatehome> References: <007301c570ec$38ff5ee0$ce3e27c4@privatehome> Message-ID: <888b2eb0132c57281d9c83430493036a@cox.net> Horst, Encarta is a very sophisticated encyclopedia type program with a Time Line that is a real plus. I bought it yuears ago when my grandchildren lived with me. I have a Mac version as I do not use PC's. I am certain Premium is what you are looking for. You can do some online research via Google. Good Luck, Terrie PS Glad you had such a wonderful vacation. From bg at his.com Tue Jun 14 10:48:00 2005 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Tue Jun 14 10:48:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] scrimshaw Message-ID: <8a5476d5f599e568cc3ec69ad3cc2e83@his.com> Does anyone know how to get in touch with Bill Bowes' daughter? I think her first name is Jenny, but I don't remember for sure. She taught scrimshaw at Wildacres several years ago. Thanks, Cathy From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Tue Jun 14 14:21:54 2005 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Tue Jun 14 14:21:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: <20050613042837.49AE6A11C2@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: There is a new motor home that you can drive or float! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm Check it out, when I win the lottery this is the first thing I'm buying! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: "Margaret Malm" <kadok@infowest.com> >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:28:45 -0600 > >Terrie -- >I remember some years ago someone (Sunbeam?) made a sporty convertible car >that you could drive across the beach and into the water, after pushing down --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pbhewitt at comcast.net Tue Jun 14 16:29:44 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue Jun 14 16:29:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grinding slabs flat References: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> I have a Covington 16" vibratory lap that does a great job of grinding my bigger slabs til they are flat. I have trouble with the smaller ones though (under 6"). I have a Hi-Tech Diamond all-u-need machine that does a great job of smoothing and polishing but when it comes to flat grinding it leaves something to be desired. I even have an 80 mesh disc and it takes forever to grind hard minerals like quartz and agate. I have been trying to visualize some sort of arm with a small vise on the end to hold the slab in place on the disc while I go do something else for 20-30 until the slab is flat. Has anyone built or used such a device? I have looked at lots of lapidary equipment pages and have seen nothing like what I need. Maybe I should invent it and patent it! NAH!! Paul in Marietta From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Tue Jun 14 18:00:51 2005 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Tue Jun 14 17:58:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grinding slabs flat In-Reply-To: <000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: Hi Paul, If you can get hold of the old classic "Amateur Telescope Making" by Albert Ingalls and ??? (name escapes me) I seem to recall described in that book a reciprocating arm device for grinding telescope mirrors which probably could be adapted to flats. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada www.virtualfundy.com From Rocknlight at aol.com Tue Jun 14 18:13:58 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 14 18:14:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grinding slabs FLAT Message-ID: <82.2a1eb41c.2fe0dad6@aol.com> 2 suggestions # 1 - -80 grit laps are weak and too slow for my patience as well .. Try 60 grit laps or less...Also textured types of 60 grits # 2 Diamond Pacific sells "LAPMATES" They are adjustable lead weights that hold slabs of all sizes and shapes and keep downward grinding and polishing pressure on your slabs while they are vibratory lapping... I also think a handle could somehow be homemade fashioned & then placed on the top of the lapmate and used for hand lapping as well...I have not tried them...Just know they exist - Product # 720-70-0100 That is the PETITE size you might want for small slabs ...They have 5 sizes last I checked .. DP Cost is 40 $ plus...So try Kingsley North, etc Good luck - Rocknlight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Tue Jun 14 18:50:15 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Tue Jun 14 18:50:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grinding slabs flat In-Reply-To: <000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> References: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net> <000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <139c466cd16af98585be9ca5ab56531f@cox.net> Paul, What I have seen in use is a bumper of airline tubing around the circumference of the slab, and a lead weight on top. Worked well as I saw it. Terrie From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jun 14 19:25:15 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 14 19:15:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grinding slabs flat References: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net> <000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <42AF8F32.441D@Tomaszewski.net> Paul, Amateur telescope makers have contrived many machines to grind and polish their optical flats and mirrors. An optical flats and telescope mirrors are typically polished to a smooth regular surface with less than a wavelength of sodium vapor light (the yellow you get sprinkling salt on a burning alcohol lamp) variance. See if your library can get you a copy of "Amateur Telescope Making, Book 1" published by Scientific American, Albert G Ingalls, Editor. Part VII is on Grinding and Polishing Machines. It covers both theory and practice, with several detailed plans for machines, and how they work and are used; all donated to the amateur community, so you don't need to worry about patents. Another solution is to make composit slabs. You did say your equipment worked well on larger stuff. Lay out many slabs symmetrically on wax paper, leaving about 1/4 - 1/2 inch space between slabs. Enclose them all in a large ring of paper, giving the same spacing to the edge slabs. Your ring of paper defines the size of the composit slab; make it too big and you need to buy bigger equipment. Fill any large gaps with appropriate sized slabs (you may have to break a few small pieces) -- symmetry with the larger slabs (and whenever possible), and placement for as complete a fill as reasonable, leaving gaps between each slab, but no large gaps. Fill the cracks between slabs, and slabs and the edge, with a very thin (1/8 - 1/4 inch) of liquid plaster mix. Let it harden to touch. This layer needs to be deeper than any grinding yuu expect to do on the face-down slabs. Melt wax and pour a layer over the plaster in the cracks and edges -- and paint the inside of the paper ring. When it hardens, pour plaster until it covers the slabs. Let it completely dry. Remove the paper ring (that didn't stick because of the wax coating). Paint the whole plaster surface showing, sides and back, with melted wax. Let it harden. Make sure it is completely sealed and dab any doubtful spots with a layer of melted wax. Let it harden. Turn it over and wash off the thin surface layer of plaster between the exposed slab faces, without breaking thru the wax seal that is now under it (you can scrub lightly). You now have a waterproof composit slab up to the biggest size your equipment can handle. Turn it back over and start your machine. Go thru your cycles and you end up with a bunch of polished faces, as if it were one big slab and the gaps were not there. This does assume very similar to same hardness for all the slabs, or results may be disappointing on some slabs depending on relative hardness. To remove, scratch thru the wax (and into the plaster) in several places on the back and side (the handle of a file works well), and put it in a tub of water. Overnight the water will turn the plaster to mush, and you can pick out each of the individual polished slabs in the morning. Clean off any remaining polish, wax, and plaster, from each slab, and start the next batch. Hope one of these solutions helps. Kreigh Paul Hewitt wrote: > > I have a Covington 16" vibratory lap that does a great job of grinding my > bigger slabs til they are flat. I have trouble with the smaller ones though > (under 6"). I have a Hi-Tech Diamond all-u-need machine that does a great > job of smoothing and polishing but when it comes to flat grinding it leaves > something to be desired. I even have an 80 mesh disc and it takes forever > to grind hard minerals like quartz and agate. I have been trying to > visualize some sort of arm with a small vise on the end to hold the slab in > place on the disc while I go do something else for 20-30 until the slab is > flat. > > Has anyone built or used such a device? I have looked at lots of lapidary > equipment pages and have seen nothing like what I need. Maybe I should > invent it and patent it! NAH!! > > Paul in Marietta From danielz at acmenet.net Wed Jun 15 13:27:48 2005 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Wed Jun 15 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Wholesale minerals Message-ID: <000501c571e8$b325afb0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Many Facets Rock Shop will be closing in a few months after 21 years in business, and we have a LOT of minerals to sell: For dealers ONLY (tax ID required), minimum purchase one full flat or $300 net of individual items: Full flats of minerals are 60% of retail. Some have mixed materials, some are mostly one material, often of varied sizes. Individual specimens are 50% off. Same applies to gemstones. Note that our "retail" is probably several years behind the times. Sorry, but you've got to come here to see them. We have about 200 flats. Call first. Sundays and evenings best. Visa/MC, cash. Many Facets Rock Shop 438 New Karner Rd Albany, NY 12205 (518) 456-0678 http://www.ManyFacets.com See the web page for retail discounts to everybody! -dan z- __ Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective thinkers competent to do their own thinking. -William Mather Lewis From kadok at infowest.com Wed Jun 15 17:10:19 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Jun 15 17:10:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050616001020.2A123A1164@marbella.infowest.com> Sounds great! When I win the lottery!! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Fredricks Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:22 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? There is a new motor home that you can drive or float! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm Check it out, when I win the lottery this is the first thing I'm buying! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   >From: "Margaret Malm" <kadok@infowest.com> >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Driving on Water? >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:28:45 -0600 > >Terrie -- >I remember some years ago someone (Sunbeam?) made a sporty convertible car >that you could drive across the beach and into the water, after pushing down --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Jun 15 18:58:58 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Jun 15 18:59:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) References: Message-ID: <007201c57216$f59a6330$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I know there is something going on at the salt dome here, but I don't know who or what. I'd like to find that "spring" I heard about. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds]Fault lines in Houston area (Gulf Coast is boring?) > We are near Grand Saline in north East Texas. There is a salt dome there > that is mined by Morton Salt. > Kevin > From bobl at peaktopeak.com Thu Jun 16 21:06:17 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Jun 16 21:08:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Springs Show this weekend! Message-ID: <200506170408.j5H48H7c004877@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all, This evening we received a call from Bob Landgraf, who is the Colorado Springs show chair, I believe. He said they had just finished setting up the exhibits for their show this weekend and they are outstanding this year. He said the large Aquamarine crystals found on Mt. Antero last year, which the Denver Museum of Nature and Science is trying to purchase, are on display. In addition, another exciting exhibit is a fantastic diamond tiara from the Smithsonian. The tiara previously belonged to the Merriweather Post family. Bob Landgraf requested we forward this information on to as many people as possible. It is an opportunity for people to see the aquamarine crystals if they are never purchased by the Denver Museum. If the Denver Museum is not able to acquire them, they may end up in a private collection. So, if you are "in the neighborhood" this weekend, come and check out the Colorado Springs show. What: Colorado Springs Gem and Mineral Show When: June 17-19 (10am to 5pm each day) Where: Phil Long Exposition Center, 1515 Auto Mall Loop, Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA (I-25 at Exit 150 south on Academy Blvd., then left at the light on Hwy 83 North, and right at the light on Auto Mall Loop, just north of Wal-Mart) Website: http://www.csms.us Phone: (719) 632-9686 Regards, Bob Loeffler Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Dealer Chairman and Webmaster Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.denvermineralshow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php From MCGINNISG at aol.com Thu Jun 16 21:30:01 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 16 21:30:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? Message-ID: <1ed.3e112672.2fe3abc9@aol.com> When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? On television I see what used to be called sea-green aquamarines are now called Colombian Emeralds! The best and most desired emeralds!!! Or so they advertise. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 17 01:28:09 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 17 01:28:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? In-Reply-To: <1ed.3e112672.2fe3abc9@aol.com> Message-ID: That's like "Bohemian Ruby" which is in fact pyrope garnet... also called Cape ruby and a number of other ruby-guises Serra Topaz or Spanish topaz : citrine Siberian emerald: green tourmaline Matura diamond: heat treated colorless zircon Black pearl: dark polished speres of hematite It's like the great British chief Bill Shaking Spear wrote: "What's in a name?" True emeralds are colored by chromium though (and upon rare occasion fluoresce weak red under LW uV as a result, although I have seen none that did so far ;-). Aquamarines are colored by divalent iron if I remember correctly. Some trivalent iron may spoil the blue color with a yellow tint (heliodore is colored by Fe3+ ???) resulting in a more green than blue color but it is still not emerald. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens MCGINNISG@aol.com Verzonden: vrijdag 17 juni 2005 6:30 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? On television I see what used to be called sea-green aquamarines are now called Colombian Emeralds! The best and most desired emeralds!!! Or so they advertise. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Fri Jun 17 04:08:53 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Fri Jun 17 04:09:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? References: <1ed.3e112672.2fe3abc9@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5732c$f3efc720$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> It wasn't until 1796 or so that Vauquelin discovered that beryl and emerald were essentially the same mineral. There was a transition period of about 30 years when some mineralogists used emerald over beryl while some used beryl as the preferred name and hence many early emerald locality reports. In the early 1990's, a clever gemologist hit on the name "pink emerald" for morganite(!) and is quoted in the Jeweler's Circular Keystone. Trying to regulate gemologists' nomenclature is like posting a sign in the northern forests "No Blackflies allowed!" Van From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Fri Jun 17 05:22:17 2005 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Fri Jun 17 05:19:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? In-Reply-To: <000d01c5732c$f3efc720$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Message-ID: <71AD70E0-DF2A-11D9-89AB-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Van, it isn't true to say that "Trying to regulate gemologists' nomenclature is like posting a sign in the northern forests "No Blackflies allowed!"". The gemologists' nomenclature is actually quite strict. Emerald for example is beryl colored green by chromium and/or vanadium. Short of that it ain't emerald. It's on the shopping channels where nomenclature is a free-for-all. Cheers Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada www.virtualfundy.com On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Van wrote: > It wasn't until 1796 or so that Vauquelin discovered that beryl and > emerald were essentially the same mineral. There was a transition > period of about 30 years when some mineralogists used emerald over > beryl while some used beryl as the preferred name and hence many early > emerald locality reports. In the early 1990's, a clever gemologist hit > on the name "pink emerald" for morganite(!) and is quoted in the > Jeweler's Circular Keystone. Trying to regulate gemologists' > nomenclature is like posting a sign in the northern forests "No > Blackflies allowed!" > > Van > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Fri Jun 17 06:02:41 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Fri Jun 17 06:02:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? References: <71AD70E0-DF2A-11D9-89AB-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <005c01c5733c$d92c7a90$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Well, the Jewler's Circular Keystone is certainly a professional gemologists' magazine. Even the American Mineralogist published a crystal structure using the wrong name of the species, although the published structure was the hydroxyl analog and they used the name of the fluorine analog. Not much difference in name, but the result was still a departure from the "accepted" nomenclature. There are many more examples of professional misuse of names. I bet the rockhounds listers can come up with a lot of examples. Van From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Fri Jun 17 07:37:33 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (michael) Date: Fri Jun 17 07:36:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? References: <1ed.3e112672.2fe3abc9@aol.com> Message-ID: <04cf01c5734a$19935fb0$6402a8c0@heathercomp> This happened the same time verdelite tourmalines became indicolite tourmalines. I have had this conversation soooo many times with dealers. I have seen green tourmalines (with only the very slightest hint of blue) being sold as indicolites, simply because true indicolites are becoming less and less common. so, instead of just raising the prices for true indicolite, and settling for the fact that there isn't as much of it out there, please just call green tourmaline with a tiny bluish undertone indicolite. Of course, they sell it for indicolite prices though..... Technically, for emeralds to be emeralds there is supposed to be chrome in them. This is why someone at the FGA (I believe) years ago developed the Chelsea filter to distinguish between emeralds with chrome, and non-chrome green beryl. If there;s no chrome, it ain't an emerald....except for the fact that Zambian material is coloured by Vanadium I believe, yet it is still considered to be true emerald. I guess if the tolerances are slipping again, pretty soon anything with a hint of green (aquamarines!) will be called emeralds. Kind of sickening, isn't it? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? > When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? On television I see > what > used to be called sea-green aquamarines are now called Colombian > Emeralds! > The best and most desired emeralds!!! Or so they advertise. > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Fri Jun 17 12:30:42 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 17 12:30:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Periodic Table of Poetry & Haiku Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050617091002.025fab20@incoming.verizon.net> Hi List, Here are two neat websites: The Periodic Table of Poetry: http://superdeluxe.com/elemental/ You click on an element and get a poem. Here's an example: Technetium A Metallic chemical element, Like the color of silvery-gray. Every isotope radioactive! Used for imaging like an x-ray. Two physicists made this discovery, With excitement and delirium! Artificial production accomplished! Designating it, Technetium! Now go to the Periodic Table of Haiku: http://www.iscifistory.com/scifaku/elements/periodichaiku.asp And here's what you get for the same element: Technetium beyond the man-made a marker in bright depths of overactive stars My astronomer husband explains that technetium has no stable isotopes so it can only be in a star if it is made there. We can measure by spectral signatures that technetium is in some stars which must me doing violent things ("overactive") in a very hot core to produce heavy elements. The Haiku site has a good discussion/definition of haiku: click on "Are these REALLY haiku? at the top. And the table actually has scientific info for each element too. Aloha, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Fri Jun 17 15:49:04 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jun 17 15:49:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska field trip Message-ID: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi everyone, A little story on my last collecting trip: After a short respite, the rain started falling again. The weather didn't look to bad when I walked out of camp with only a long sleeve shirt and an insulated vest on and a hat on my head for cover. Now I needed a rain jacket, but it was 15 minutes away in camp, and I was hanging off the side of of a quarry wall along the Chena River, east of Fairbanks, Alaska. My glasses were fogging up which made it difficult to see what I was doing as I pried off another chunk of monzonite hiding a treasure of yugawaralite crystals in a narrow vein with quartz. Above my head the rocks looked stable and I continued to pry off pieces of the enclosing rock. Just a little more and I would have another crystal-laden chunk of the vein exposed. Then it happened, an irate duck mad at me for making noise and disturbing his resting on the a slough alongside the quarry and river rose off the water with a loud quacking that caused the broken jumble of rocks I was standing on to collapse, sending me scrambling down the lower slope of the quarry wall (I can blame it on the duck if I want to, he was awfully noisy). I climbed back up, and with the continued rain soaking through my shirt and running down my backside..., I returned to collecting crystals. That's how this story starts, if you want to start in the middle, but let's start with an introduction of how I got into that situation: I recently returned from a mineral collecting trip to Alaska. Well, OK, my wife would probably have a different view on that: my wife and I recently returned from a vacation in Alaska and the Yukon. During that trip I did get to collect minerals in two locations. Easily accessible mineral localities are rather scarce in Alaska, so the collecting opportunities were few. The trip consisted of driving from Idaho to the ferry terminal at Bellingham, Washington, riding the ferry for a relaxing four days and nights to Haines, Alaska, driving across the western park of the Yukon and back into Alaska, driving through part of the Alaska interior, driving across the eastern part of the Yukon and all the way down through northern to southern British Columbia and home. If you get the feeling that most of the trip was driving, well it was, 4,018 miles, plus about 1,200 on the ferry. That's a lot of miles. The trip was great, we saw a lot of wildlife, a lot of mountains, rivers, lakes and forests, and until we got down into BC, not many people. We also didn't see a lot of mountains and scenery because the weather turned gray and it rained a lot after the first week. Most of the mountains were capped by clouds or completely shrouded in clouds and rain. We left home on Monday, May 22 and arrived back home on Friday, June 10, nearly three weeks later. If I had my choice, we'd be heading back up in a week or two, permanently. On to the collecting, Doug Toland had told me that there was a locality with garnet, albite and mountain leather across the highway from the Haines airport. Part of our sightseeing in Haines included a drive to the airport; most of the roadside was heavily vegetated, so there weren't many roadcuts or outcrops, the volcanic rock (metamorphic?) did produce some pegmatitic segrations with a few interesting micros in one area, and quartz segregations with micros in another. These include garnet (pale amber - spessaratine/andradite?), epidote, tremolite/byssolite (some in mountain leather-like mats) and albite. We spent the Saturday after departing the ferry in Haines and had a good look at the area, including driving out to look at these roadcuts. There were a few exposures of the rock, and I spent a little time poking around in all three of them. Come to think of it, I did get in a bit more collecting. While driving around Haines, I discovered some interesting lapidary material on a beach north of town, just a mile or two out of town. These were small rocks to small boulders of coarse dark green amphibolite (or pyroxenite, I have not tried to figure out which yet) with pink inclusions of an unknown mineral between the amphibole crystals. Nice looking stuff. I'm going to check with Gary McWilliams about this; he is mining a similar looking material in which the pink mineral is eudialyte. I don't remember where he is getting it, but maybe it's at Haines. I picked up a small bunch of this to carve. Now I've discovered that some of it has micro vugs with tiny pink crystal faces. This might prove interesting. The other location, was the yugawaralite locality east of Fairbanks on the road along the Chena River to Chena Hot Springs. The quarry of interest is behind the Tors Granite Trail Campground about 39.5 miles from a junction with the Steese Highway a little north of Fairbanks. It is about 14 miles further east to the hot springs resort. We arrived there in the late afternoon, and after setting up camp, driving to the hot springs and soaking in the hot waters of the resort and having dinner, I was able to spend an hour before dark, in the rain risking life and limb to collect yugawaralite. The next morning, I spent another one and a half hours collecting in the rain. The crystals occur with quartz in veins that run nearly vertically up the quarry walls. The quarry has high walls (nearly 100 feet high) that are essentially vertical. The rock is fractured, and collecting is dangerous. I worked four veins carefully, and saw some good potential in areas where it was dangerous, and not worth the risk. If I'd had more time, and could have seen better through my constantly fogged glasses, there was one good looking area that could have been worked by tearing apart some rock alongside the vein to make a pad to stand on out of the way of the loose rock above the vein, then tearing the vein apart from there. The bottom line is there is still potential in the quarry for collecting, but it is dangerous, without much that is not below a lot of loose rock, often high overhead. The yugawaralite crystals project off the walls of the vein, but are mostly covered by quartz. The crystals are compact or intergrown with quartz at their bases and quartz crystals form a drusy crust over the remaining portions of the thin, lath-like crystals, right up to the termination or nearly to the termination. Still, they are good specimens of this rare zeolite. Most are sprinkled with tiny colorless stilbite crystals too. There also is white platy calcite, granular calcite grains and tiny dogtooth calcite crystals on the specimens. One vein, had rounded crystals of amber colored calcite, but these were mostly shattered. Specimens are poor to good, none fantastic, but it was worth the trip to collect some. Not that I mean I would normally drive over 4,000 miles to collect minerals for a few hours in two locations. I had meant to look for the original yugawaralite discovery in this area (micro crystals), which might be on the same point of land (my opinion, not others), but the rain-soaked brush discouraged my interest in that activity. The east end of the pit where the veins occur is at coordinates: N 64? 54' 19.1" W 146? 21' 44.5". Next time, I go exploring more, rain or shine. I just have to get back up there again. Regards, Lanny From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jun 17 14:08:43 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Jun 17 16:09:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska field trip References: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <002701c57380$c327c9e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Lanny, Welcome back. Thanks for the report! I tried mindat for "Mountain Leather" but it is currently down. I also Googled it and found some info. Is it similar to serpentinite? John From MCGINNISG at aol.com Fri Jun 17 17:56:44 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 17 17:56:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? Message-ID: I have parcels of "sea-green" aquamarine that my Father had purchased fifty years ago. At that time "sea-green" was the term used for a greenish-blue or bluish-green color of aquamarine. Now on the "jewelry channels" on TV are now calling the same material as "Colombian Emeralds." And of course they are all very rare and very valuable? Heavy inclusions and all!!! It makes me wonder if the Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Fri Jun 17 18:34:48 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 17 18:34:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: "mountain leather" was Alaska field trip In-Reply-To: <002701c57380$c327c9e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <002701c57380$c327c9e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050617135349.0392bd30@incoming.verizon.net> At 11:08 AM 6/17/2005, John Siebel wrote: >Lanny, >Welcome back. Thanks for the report! >I tried mindat for "Mountain Leather" but it is currently down. I also >Googled it and found some info. Is it similar to serpentinite? >John I agree, great report, Lanny. John, "mountain leather's" proper name is palygorskite. I have some from a cave in Metaline Falls, WA. that is soft, feels like very thin suede, and drapes like silk; it's pale grayish white, and is attached to a cluster of pale bluish-gray calcite crystals. I have another piece that looks and feels like a scrap of "oak tag" tan card stock, and a third piece that looks and feels like a wad of weathered, crushed paper. I've heard that at Metaline Falls the stuff hangs in great curtains that are rather disgusting to touch because they are slimy wet. Others have described some as seeming like a wad of chewing gum, an old worn-out kitchen sponge, or parts of an abandoned hornet's nest. Mindat is back up and it has a picture where it looks like white bubbles of Styrofoam! I love it as part of my sessions for kids when I show them things that they can't believe are really rocks. The following URL gives more technical data: http://webmineral.com/data/Palygorskite.shtml Aloha, Kitty From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 17 19:14:09 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 17 18:54:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska field trip References: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <002701c57380$c327c9e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <42B37EB4.4334@Tomaszewski.net> John Siebel wrote: > > Lanny, > > Welcome back. Thanks for the report! > > I tried mindat for "Mountain Leather" but it is currently down. I also > Googled it and found some info. Is it similar to serpentinite? > > John John, 'Mountain Leather' is Palygorskite; a good specimen really does look, feel, and bend, like leather. You can often find some interesting micro's in the folds of palygorskite. And if MinDat is down, try webmineral.com. Kreigh From pbhewitt at comcast.net Fri Jun 17 19:08:42 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Fri Jun 17 19:08:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grinding slabs flat References: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net><000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> <42AF8F32.441D@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001501c573aa$a78912a0$6501a8c0@maingear> I am glad I asked about grinding slabs. I was amazed at some of the replies, especially the use of plaster and wax. I think that is a little more involved than I want to get but who knows? I may end up trying it anyway. I have the round lead weights with the adjusting screws in them that I use with the flat lap but they are useless on the Hi-Tech machine. There is nothing to hold them in place so the stone and weight go flying as soon as I let go of them. I am thinking about a wooden "gallows" looking device. It would have a wooden base that I can screw down to my workbench, a vertical 2X4 and a short horizontal board that will extend over the surface of the disc. The lead weight has a hole in the middle so I could put a threaded rod through it with nut and washer on both sides to secure it. Then I will have a hole vertically through the horizontal board that the rod can float in. Hopefully it will hold the weight and slab in place on the disc as well as provide enough (but not too much) downward pressure so that even cutting of the slab will take place. The other option that I can think of is to have a board attached to the wall behind the machine with a hinge. Then I could attach the weight to the bottom of that and just lay it on top of the slab. I will take pics and let you guys know how it works (if it works). Paul in Marietta From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 17 20:38:52 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 17 20:18:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? References: Message-ID: <42B39283.2C6F@Tomaszewski.net> MCGINNISG@aol.com wrote: > > > I have parcels of "sea-green" aquamarine that my Father had purchased fifty > years ago. At that time "sea-green" was the term used for a greenish-blue or > bluish-green color of aquamarine. Now on the "jewelry channels" on TV are now > calling the same material as "Colombian Emeralds." And of course they are > all very rare and very valuable? Heavy inclusions and all!!! It makes me wonder > if the Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale? Green used to be the preferred color for aquamarine, now it is blue. The Brooklyn Bridge is _always_ for sale (and I've got some land in Florida you might be interested in too). Kreigh From kahako at verizon.net Fri Jun 17 20:28:57 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 17 20:28:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: When did sea-green aquamarines become emeralds??? In-Reply-To: <42B39283.2C6F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <42B39283.2C6F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050617172238.03921d10@incoming.verizon.net> At 05:38 PM 6/17/2005, Kreigh wrote: >Green used to be the preferred color for aquamarine, now it is blue. > >The Brooklyn Bridge is _always_ for sale (and I've got some land in >Florida you might be interested in too). Yep. And I've got some land in Hawaii...nice ocean view, just a little hot, gets re-paved every now and then by some babe named Pele. Aloha, Kitty From lanny at lrream.com Fri Jun 17 22:38:41 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jun 17 22:39:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska field trip In-Reply-To: <002701c57380$c327c9e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <002701c57380$c327c9e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <3A1638E8-DFBB-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Hi John, Mountain leather is a term for a mineral with the physical characteristics of leather. Palygorskite is the mineral that most commonly fits this texture, but the term has often been applied to other minerals that may occur in that form. At the Haines airport, the probable actinolite/tremolite was most common as the typical "byssolite" fine needles, but these were sometimes in small leather-like mats. Serpentinite is a rock composed of serpentine minerals. I wouldn't expect this to be "leather-like" in texture. Of course if it was an asbestos variety in a mat or leather-like form then I guess it could be, but then I've never seen any of that called serpentinite. Regards, Lanny On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:08 PM, John Siebel wrote: > Lanny, > > Welcome back. Thanks for the report! > > I tried mindat for "Mountain Leather" but it is currently down. I also > Googled it and found some info. Is it similar to serpentinite? > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sat Jun 18 04:57:25 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat Jun 18 05:02:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska field trip References: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <42B40C25.EA4BD851@gmx.de> Dear Lanny, thank you for the report. A few years ago I received two yugawaralite specimens from that place from Doug Toland, and it is nice to hear latest news from that locality. I would love to go on a trip like yours. But from here I have to travel a lot more miles. You might be glad to drive over 4,000 miles "only" . Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Lanny schrieb: > Hi everyone, > > A little story on my last collecting trip: > > After a short respite, the rain started falling again. The weather > didn't look to bad when I walked out of camp with only a long sleeve > shirt and an insulated vest on and a hat on my head for cover. Now I > needed a rain jacket, but it was 15 minutes away in camp, and I was > hanging off the side of of a quarry wall along the Chena River, east of > Fairbanks, Alaska. My glasses were fogging up which made it difficult > to see what I was doing as I pried off another chunk of monzonite > hiding a treasure of yugawaralite crystals in a narrow vein with > quartz. From agesilaus at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 09:29:39 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 18 09:29:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Antonio Texas In-Reply-To: <20050413022716.21372.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050413022716.21372.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Did you mean Choke Canyon rather than Chole? Its the only one I see on the map south of San Antonio. Bryan On 4/12/05, Stephen Stover wrote: > sorry you cannot make a side trip. about 60 miles > south of you is some of the best pet. wood ever near > the chole canyon resivoir. > > > --- Gary Brown wrote: > > I'm going to be travelling to San Antonio, TX, for a > > couple of days. Any > > interesting rock shops down there? I probably won't > > have any time for > > collecting...unless there is something nearby that a > > "look at the ground and > > pick it up" kind of collecting would work for. > > > > GcB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Jun 18 13:45:14 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Jun 18 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting trip June 17 & 18 Message-ID: <003601c57446$a12bc460$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Fossil Trip Report - June 17 & 18 I spent Friday and Saturday in my "own backyard" with Chris and John, two collectors from the Chicago area. We had been postponing and rescheduling this trip for over two months. The weather turned out to be ideal, with high temps around 80 degrees and low humidity -- most unusal for the region in late June. We collected Silurian, Devonian, and Mississippian fossils at a shale quarry (brick factory) in Jefferson Co., Kentucky and two limestone quarries in Clark Co., Indiana. We started with the lower Middle Mississippian "Coral Ridge fauna." It is a pyritized, mollusk-dominated fauna that has been well-documented over the past 45 years. The most recent paper on its ammonoids was published by David Work, et al in the Journal of Paleontology last year. My collecting friend David & I visit only once each year because the fossils are pretty sparse. Plenty of rain between collecting trips is necessary to expose enough fossils to make the trip worthwhile. I gave most of my fossils to my visiting friends, because I have a good supply of the bulk of what is found. I did keep three 3-D conularids (one has the sharpest termination I've ever collected) which I will give to Heyo Van Iten, a paleontologist at Hanover College who happens to be an authority on those bizarre fossils. I also found a complete enrolled Philibole conkini trilobite, as well as an enrolled partial specimen and a piece of a nodule with fragments of several individuals. I gave the pyritized, geodized Amplexus fragilis horn corals to David who slices & polishes them for lapidary use. After lunch we drove to Jeffersonville to collect at a limestone quarry. Chris and I walked the road examining the boulders for Devonian echinoderms. We found two Elaeacrinus verneuili blastoids and Chris struggled with a gas cut-off saw using 12" diamond blade and was able to get one of the blastoids. It took about 20 minutes of sawing, chiseling, sawing, chiseling, etc. (While he was working on the blastoid, I picked up a dozen slabs of flagstone next to an adjacent boulder to use in the yard.) The Jeffersonville Limestone is a hard rock to work with because it tends to break concoidally -- often through the fossil! He was too pooped to work on the other (and it is going to harder to reach with the saw anyway). Meanwhile my collecting partner David took John into the eroded area with Devonian corals. John was a happy camper! High-quality silicified tabulate and rugose corals (about a dozen genera are common) occur here, along with brachiopods and the occasional clam, snail, rostroconch, and trilobite. As David and I were preparing to head back to Louisville to beat rush hour traffic, I decided to check out the berm near where I had parked. There was a large boulder composed of argillaceous limestone in the North Vernon Formation. This formation is most notable for the abundance of perfectly preserved atrypid and spiriferid brachiopods, however this boulder contained a perfectly preserved Dolatocrinus calyx about 3" in diameter! Wow! I had never seen a crinoid in this part of the North Vernon formation before. Chris showed me how to use his saw and I was able to cut it out pretty quickly because the North Vernon is MUCH easier to cut through than the Jeffersonville. It took me less than 10 minutes to remove it. Saturday, I met Chris and John at another local quarry. We started in the Waldron Shale. The locality has not been blasted in two years and most of the exposure has been covered by finely crushed timestone, limestone powder and decomposed shale. Most of what I found were typical specimens. Among them, a Caryocrinites cystoid, a couple of Cuplocoronas, two "Glyptocrinus"-like calices (I can ID them, but don't have the name in my short-term memory), and a Eucalyptocrinites holdfast that is over 6" wide (and needs to be prepped to be seen well). Collecting in the pit is not as exciting as it was when the exposures were fresh a few years ago! In fact, this was my first trip in the pit since I brought teachers in as part of a workshop last summer. I won't be bringing them down here again until the quarry works the Waldron layer again -- and there is no timeline to do it. Next, we drove to the top of the quarry and collected from the North Vernon formation. The atrypid and spiriferid brachiopods were in great abundance. We also found a zone that has spectacular auloporid (tube) corals that look like little bushes, as well as branching corals (Thamnoptychia, incorrectly called Trachypora) up to 6" long! I collected a couple of bags full of soil from the coral zone and washed them in a tray in the back yard. Some excellent specimens! All in all, this was a pleasant way to spend a couple of days! (I took pictures through the two days, so I need to download them off the camera so they can posted on-line temporarily.) Alan G. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Sat Jun 18 18:59:17 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Jun 18 18:59:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska field trip In-Reply-To: <42B40C25.EA4BD851@gmx.de> References: <01781573-DF82-11D9-96E0-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> <42B40C25.EA4BD851@gmx.de> Message-ID: Hi J?rgen, You are welcome, glad you enjoyed it. 4,000 miles may be "not that far" as compared to going from one continent to another, but it still is a long distance, and expensive to go for collecting in only one or two minor mineral localities. Apparently there is an attractive exchange rate with the Euro now, despite its loss against the Dollar in recent months. Both Alaska and the Yukon had a lot of German tourists. It seemed like the tourists we saw were about 1/3 from the USA, 1/3 from British Columbia and 1/3 from Germany. Of course the German traveler probably paid a lot less to fly to Anchorage, Fairbanks or Whitehorse, then rent a car or camper and drive through Alaska and the Yukon than my wife and I did to take the Alaska ferry, drive into the Alaska interior then drive back to Idaho. No matter how you look at it, I really enjoyed getting to the Chena River yugawaralite locality while vacationing. Regards, Lanny On Jun 18, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: > Dear Lanny, > > thank you for the report. A few years ago I received two yugawaralite > specimens from that place from Doug Toland, and it is nice to hear > latest > news from that locality. > I would love to go on a trip like yours. But from here I have to > travel a > lot more miles. You might be glad to drive over 4,000 miles "only" . > > Regards, > > J?rgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > > Lanny schrieb: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> A little story on my last collecting trip: >> >> After a short respite, the rain started falling again. The weather >> didn't look to bad when I walked out of camp with only a long sleeve >> shirt and an insulated vest on and a hat on my head for cover. Now I >> needed a rain jacket, but it was 15 minutes away in camp, and I was >> hanging off the side of of a quarry wall along the Chena River, east >> of >> Fairbanks, Alaska. My glasses were fogging up which made it difficult >> to see what I was doing as I pried off another chunk of monzonite >> hiding a treasure of yugawaralite crystals in a narrow vein with >> quartz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From kahako at verizon.net Sat Jun 18 19:27:38 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jun 18 19:27:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metaline Falls, was mountain leather was Alaska field trip Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050618160038.02635d30@incoming.verizon.net> Hi all, When I wrote earlier about "mountain leather," or palygorskite, I mentioned that I had a piece from a cave in Metaline Falls. I realized after I pressed "send" that I meant MINE not cave; although there are guided tours of Gardner Caves near the town, I don't think that's where the palygorskite is. I also remembered that the mine had been closed for many years. So I googled Metaline Falls and found out the following, for those of you who are interested in mines and mining towns. Metaline Falls is on the Pend Oreille river in the northeast corner of Washington state, near the Canadian border. It had a population of 223 people in the year 2000, and an estimated population of 223 in 2002 (lots of excitement going on there!) The Pend Oreille Mine worked from 1952 to 1977 for zinc and lead. In 1996 the mine was purchased and refurbishing began to make it meet modern safety and environmental standards, and in 2004 it resumed operations. Up until that time the median income for the town was about $17,000, but now the top paid miners make about $45,000...not a whole lot, considering the dangers of the job, but a lot more than most residents made before. That's pretty country: mountains and rivers and forests, Oh my! If anyone ever gets to do any rockhounding in that area, let us know what you think. Here's a website with nice pictures: http://www.co.pend-oreille.wa.us/metaline.html Aloha, Kitty From lanny at lrream.com Sun Jun 19 10:30:59 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Jun 19 10:31:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Metaline Falls, was mountain leather was Alaska field trip In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050618160038.02635d30@incoming.verizon.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050618160038.02635d30@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Kitty, I've collected in the Metaline Falls area a few times. The Pend Oreille Mine is a great one to go underground in. Mining is done by large diesel operated equipment that accesses the mine through a spiral ramp driven through the limestone-dolomite of the Metaline formation for several hundred feet underground. The formation is loaded with large solution cavities, some of which contain calcite crystals and/or masses and sheets of palygorskite. I've been underground twice (before it shut down in the 1970s), and it is impressive being underground in mine excavations that are so large that big mine trucks (usually seen working above ground) are being driven around. The ore is massive sphalerite and galena, crystals are insignificant. There are a few tiny crystals on some of the palygorskite. In the area, there are micro hemimorphite, cerussite and wulfenite crystals at the Bella May Mine about 2 miles SW of Metaline. It is reported at the Diamond R Mine a mile to the west of that, but we haven't been able to locate that mine. Many years ago, I also collected micro, yellow-orange barite crystals at the Josephine Mine across the river from the Pend Oreille Mine. Prospects on Russian Creek, several miles to the NW near the border with Canada has small amounts of micro crystals of cerussite and azurite crystals in prospects. I just drove through there again a week ago when returning from Alaska. The towns still looks slow and sleepy, but cleaner and nicer than they did a few years ago. Nice country, and for NE Washington, the vegetation is more like that of western Washington, dense, green forests with a lot of brush. Regards, Lanny On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi all, > > When I wrote earlier about "mountain leather," or palygorskite, I > mentioned that I had a piece from a cave in Metaline Falls. I > realized after I pressed "send" that I meant MINE not cave; although > there are guided tours of Gardner Caves near the town, I don't think > that's where the palygorskite is. I also remembered that the mine had > been closed for many years. So I googled Metaline Falls and found out > the following, for those of you who are interested in mines and mining > towns. > > Metaline Falls is on the Pend Oreille river in the northeast corner of > Washington state, near the Canadian border. It had a population of > 223 people in the year 2000, and an estimated population of 223 in > 2002 (lots of excitement going on there!) The Pend Oreille Mine > worked from 1952 to 1977 for zinc and lead. In 1996 the mine was > purchased and refurbishing began to make it meet modern safety and > environmental standards, and in 2004 it resumed operations. Up until > that time the median income for the town was about $17,000, but now > the top paid miners make about $45,000...not a whole lot, considering > the dangers of the job, but a lot more than most residents made > before. > > That's pretty country: mountains and rivers and forests, Oh my! If > anyone ever gets to do any rockhounding in that area, let us know what > you think. Here's a website with nice pictures: > > http://www.co.pend-oreille.wa.us/metaline.html > > Aloha, Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 19 20:37:02 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 19 20:33:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Periodic Table of Poetry & Haiku References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050617091002.025fab20@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <42B63908.1D32@Tomaszewski.net> Thank you, Kitty (and Bill)! Fun links. --Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > Here are two neat websites: > > The Periodic Table of Poetry: > > http://superdeluxe.com/elemental/ > > You click on an element and get a poem. Here's an example: > > Technetium > > A Metallic chemical element, > Like the color of silvery-gray. > Every isotope radioactive! > Used for imaging like an x-ray. > > Two physicists made this discovery, > With excitement and delirium! > Artificial production accomplished! > Designating it, Technetium! > > Now go to the Periodic Table of Haiku: > > http://www.iscifistory.com/scifaku/elements/periodichaiku.asp > > And here's what you get for the same element: > > Technetium > > beyond the man-made > a marker in bright depths of > overactive stars > > My astronomer husband explains that technetium has no stable isotopes so it > can only be in a star if it is made there. We can measure by spectral > signatures that technetium is in some stars which must me doing violent > things ("overactive") in a very hot core to produce heavy elements. > > The Haiku site has a good discussion/definition of haiku: click on "Are > these REALLY haiku? at the top. And the table actually has scientific info > for each element too. > > Aloha, Kitty From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Jun 20 03:25:50 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 20 03:25:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods Message-ID: Hi people, last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite Wood County, Ohia The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather big and I heard that there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a slide that I made of the specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have knowledge of the Wood county quarries and are willing to help me find the right location: please write me off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. Also there seems to be some debate whether it is strontianite after celestite or aragonite after celestite. The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal habit, not unlike aragonite, but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white fluorescence (under all wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the crystals and quite zoned. There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence that lasts for a few seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. Cheers Axel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- From kahako at verizon.net Mon Jun 20 10:19:35 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jun 20 10:20:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620065906.025927b0@incoming.verizon.net> Ohia is undoubtedly a typo for Ohio, but the ohia is a very attractive and versatile native Hawaiian tree, metrosideros polymorphata, which is often the first plant to appear after a fire or lava flow (pioneer species). See some beautiful pictures of ohia on Chain of Craters Road and elsewhere in Volcanoes National Park at: http://simplethinking.com/home/hawaii/ohia.shtml It is also a close relative of the New Zealand rata tree, metrosideros robusta. Aloha, Kitty At 12:25 AM 6/20/2005, Axel wrote: >Hi people, > >last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: >Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite >Wood County, Ohia > >The Ohia is probably Ohio, From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 10:30:52 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 20 10:30:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620065906.025927b0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: This is another of Kitty's really great links! Jeanette & I were impressed with the beauty of the Ohia trees and their very bright red blooms. I didn't know the name until we hiked into the big crater with a ranger guide. These trees were abundant and many were literally covered with blooms around the sulfur fumeroles. The blooms look similar to Mimosa blooms here, but the Mimosa flowers are pink. Glenn >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox <kahako@verizon.net> >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods >Ohia is undoubtedly a typo for Ohio, but the ohia is a very >attractive and versatile native Hawaiian tree, metrosideros >polymorphata, which is often the first plant to appear after a fire >or lava flow (pioneer species). See some beautiful pictures of ohia >on Chain of Craters Road and elsewhere in Volcanoes National Park >at: > >http://simplethinking.com/home/hawaii/ohia.shtml > >It is also a close relative of the New Zealand rata tree, >metrosideros robusta. > >Aloha, Kitty > > >At 12:25 AM 6/20/2005, Axel wrote: >>Hi people, >> >>last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: >>Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite >>Wood County, Ohia >> >>The Ohia is probably Ohio, > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ How does 6 Songs for 99 cents sound?  Go to music.msn.com and meet FREE music --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From kahako at verizon.net Mon Jun 20 12:02:49 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jun 20 12:02:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Volcanoes Park pics, was Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620065906.025927b0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620084533.025aa350@incoming.verizon.net> The rest of that site is great too. Check out topics Cold Lava, Hot Lava, and Sulfur Fumaroles. http://simplethinking.com/home/hawaii/index.shtml Aloha, Kitty PS Some Ohia trees bloom in other warm colors. We have a yellow and an orange in our yard as well as the more common red. At 07:30 AM 6/20/2005, Glenn wrote: >This is another of Kitty's really great links! > >Jeanette & I were impressed with the beauty of the Ohia trees and their >very bright red blooms. >I didn't know the name until we hiked into the big crater with a ranger >guide. These trees were abundant and many were literally covered with >blooms around the sulfur fumeroles. > >The blooms look similar to Mimosa blooms here, but the Mimosa flowers are >pink. From rgangue at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 15:07:57 2005 From: rgangue at yahoo.com (Stan Perry) Date: Mon Jun 20 15:08:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050620220757.30523.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Axel, Without seeing the picture but from the description it is most likely from the prolific quarry of Lime City, Ohio. Great fluorescent and phosphorescent celestite as well as fluorite. I do not remember reading any literature about the alteration but I had always heard the strontianite after celestite variety. They tend to change from blue to white the farther along the psuedomorphism and thus higher strontian content. I have some specimens with small ball shaped sprays of strontianite also from the quarry. I am sure to see many specimens from there at the upcoming show this weekend in Bloomington Indiana. For a review of the 2001 Bloomington Show you can go to the link below; http://emineralshow.com/show2.htm A number of list members will be in attendance and I will likely be blowing out some flats of Cave-In-Rock, Illinois and Viburnum Trend Missouri flats from a collection I just purchased. Hope to see some of you there. Cheers, Stan --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi people, > > last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: > Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite > Wood County, Ohia > > The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather > big and I heard that > there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a > slide that I made of the > specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have > knowledge of the Wood county > quarries and are willing to help me find the right > location: please write me > off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. > Also there seems to be some debate whether it is > strontianite after > celestite or aragonite after celestite. > The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal > habit, not unlike aragonite, > but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white > fluorescence (under all > wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the > crystals and quite zoned. > There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence > that lasts for a few > seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Jun 20 15:25:26 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Jun 20 15:25:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods References: Message-ID: <001a01c575e6$f4f1c3a0$6400a8c0@Junior> There's decent info on Ohio minerals and localities in Rocks & Minerals V65, #6, which I cannot find at the moment. I've got to go back and have a look at the stuff I collected from the Maumee Stone Co. Quarry years and years ago. Both aragonite and strontianite ps celestine sound a bit unlikely to me, but somebody on this list has to know about Ohio minerals. Robbins mentions large hexagonal celestine crystals fluorescing white, best under LW, and phosphorescing greenish-white, from the Lime City Quarry in Weston, Ohio, as well as Portage and Clay Centre, Ohio. Dunno if that sheds any light on the subject, but it gives you something to work with. Should be easy to at least figure out whether they're actually pseudos or not. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@Lists.Drizzle.Com" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:25 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods > Hi people, > > last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: > Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite > Wood County, Ohia > > The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather big and I heard that > there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a slide that I made of > the > specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have knowledge of the Wood county > quarries and are willing to help me find the right location: please write > me > off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. > Also there seems to be some debate whether it is strontianite after > celestite or aragonite after celestite. > The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal habit, not unlike > aragonite, > but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white fluorescence (under all > wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the crystals and quite > zoned. > There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence that lasts for a few > seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Jun 20 15:42:55 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Jun 20 15:42:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] kimberlite wanted! References: <4d46970eb05ea64d34dddd0809d2f7ba@comcast.net><000701c57138$f230aa30$6501a8c0@maingear> <139c466cd16af98585be9ca5ab56531f@cox.net> Message-ID: <002801c575e9$668d1940$6400a8c0@Junior> I'll pay well for kimberlite or other diamond ores from anywhere. A mineralogist friend is studying the minerals found in eclogites and kimberlites, especially the chrome garnets, and I'd like to build her reference collection. Please email me if you can provide any, or can suggest a source. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com From xossfs at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 19:25:55 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Mon Jun 20 19:25:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Antonio Texas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050621022555.88646.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> yeah, it is my wonderful fingers. Can't seem to keep them on the proper keys --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Did you mean Choke Canyon rather than Chole? Its the > only one I see on > the map south of San Antonio. > > Bryan > > On 4/12/05, Stephen Stover wrote: > > sorry you cannot make a side trip. about 60 miles > > south of you is some of the best pet. wood ever > near > > the chole canyon resivoir. > > > > > > --- Gary Brown > wrote: > > > I'm going to be travelling to San Antonio, TX, > for a > > > couple of days. Any > > > interesting rock shops down there? I probably > won't > > > have any time for > > > collecting...unless there is something nearby > that a > > > "look at the ground and > > > pick it up" kind of collecting would work for. > > > > > > GcB > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > Stephen F. 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Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 21 04:14:46 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 21 04:14:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: <20050620220757.30523.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Stan, Glen, and Johan and all the lurkers (LOL) here be interesting stuff for ye seasoned rockhounds. I put some photos of the specimen, along with some comparative stuff) on my web space so everybody can go and take a peek. The Woods county pseudomorph "aragonite AFTER celestite" may look weird at first. The dayligh picture shows hexagonal crystals. Araonite crystals would be psuedohexagonal and they would show indentations on the seems where the triplets meet. There is no sign of that. Take a look if you will at: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/woodstopside.jp g (you may have to cut and paste a little, it's a long one) Then another case for the celestite being the "supergene" mineral: when you look at the underside of the specimen, you can clearly see the glassy mass around the stone matrix. That is, I think, the unaltered mineral and it looks bluish grey like indeed celestite often does. See: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/woodsunderside. jpg Looking at the fluorescence it is clear that the unaltered cores of the crystals is non-fluorescent. Only the white mantle fluoresces. Now, I have seen and tested hundreds of blue celestites for fluorescence. They NEVER did. Not even the feeblest attempt to produce a glow. The white and tan crystals often do but never the blue or blue-grey ones. I also never saw aragonite fluoresce like this, bluish I mean. The strontium from the celestite may have contaminated the aragonite and cause the fluorescence. Normally strontium cannot play the role of an activator since all the electron shels below the valence electrons are completely filled up. Yet this bluish fluorescence pops up every time calcium is partially replaced with strontium. Is strontium acting as a defect promoter ion then? Its seems to be doing that in gypsum: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/hourglass%20gyp sum.jpg On the other hand: doesn't Sr doe THIS to aragonite (LW Aggrigento, Sicily, Italy): http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/aragoniteLW.jpg rather than the blue color? The Sr-aragonite from Bocchegiano, Italy, shows a strong reddish pink fluorescence under long wave UV. Maybe there are other players in the field besides Sr? Any ideas are welcome ;-))) Johan: I'm a bit relucant to use acid on the specimen. Vapors from HAc or HCl may very well destroy the fluorescence. I've seen that happen before. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Stan Perry Verzonden: dinsdag 21 juni 2005 0:08 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods Hi Axel, Without seeing the picture but from the description it is most likely from the prolific quarry of Lime City, Ohio. Great fluorescent and phosphorescent celestite as well as fluorite. I do not remember reading any literature about the alteration but I had always heard the strontianite after celestite variety. They tend to change from blue to white the farther along the psuedomorphism and thus higher strontian content. I have some specimens with small ball shaped sprays of strontianite also from the quarry. I am sure to see many specimens from there at the upcoming show this weekend in Bloomington Indiana. For a review of the 2001 Bloomington Show you can go to the link below; http://emineralshow.com/show2.htm A number of list members will be in attendance and I will likely be blowing out some flats of Cave-In-Rock, Illinois and Viburnum Trend Missouri flats from a collection I just purchased. Hope to see some of you there. Cheers, Stan --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi people, > > last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: > Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite > Wood County, Ohia > > The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather > big and I heard that > there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a > slide that I made of the > specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have > knowledge of the Wood county > quarries and are willing to help me find the right > location: please write me > off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. > Also there seems to be some debate whether it is > strontianite after > celestite or aragonite after celestite. > The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal > habit, not unlike aragonite, > but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white > fluorescence (under all > wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the > crystals and quite zoned. > There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence > that lasts for a few > seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 21 04:59:12 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 21 04:59:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Naturally I forgot to include the URL for the fluorescent picture: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/Woodsfluo.jpg Enjoy Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Axel Emmermann Verzonden: dinsdag 21 juni 2005 13:15 Aan: Johan Maertens; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods Hi Jim, Stan, Glen, and Johan and all the lurkers (LOL) here be interesting stuff for ye seasoned rockhounds. I put some photos of the specimen, along with some comparative stuff) on my web space so everybody can go and take a peek. The Woods county pseudomorph "aragonite AFTER celestite" may look weird at first. The dayligh picture shows hexagonal crystals. Araonite crystals would be psuedohexagonal and they would show indentations on the seems where the triplets meet. There is no sign of that. Take a look if you will at: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/woodstopside.jp g (you may have to cut and paste a little, it's a long one) Then another case for the celestite being the "supergene" mineral: when you look at the underside of the specimen, you can clearly see the glassy mass around the stone matrix. That is, I think, the unaltered mineral and it looks bluish grey like indeed celestite often does. See: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/woodsunderside. jpg Looking at the fluorescence it is clear that the unaltered cores of the crystals is non-fluorescent. Only the white mantle fluoresces. Now, I have seen and tested hundreds of blue celestites for fluorescence. They NEVER did. Not even the feeblest attempt to produce a glow. The white and tan crystals often do but never the blue or blue-grey ones. I also never saw aragonite fluoresce like this, bluish I mean. The strontium from the celestite may have contaminated the aragonite and cause the fluorescence. Normally strontium cannot play the role of an activator since all the electron shels below the valence electrons are completely filled up. Yet this bluish fluorescence pops up every time calcium is partially replaced with strontium. Is strontium acting as a defect promoter ion then? Its seems to be doing that in gypsum: http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/hourglass%20gyp sum.jpg On the other hand: doesn't Sr doe THIS to aragonite (LW Aggrigento, Sicily, Italy): http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/aragoniteLW.jpg rather than the blue color? The Sr-aragonite from Bocchegiano, Italy, shows a strong reddish pink fluorescence under long wave UV. Maybe there are other players in the field besides Sr? Any ideas are welcome ;-))) Johan: I'm a bit relucant to use acid on the specimen. Vapors from HAc or HCl may very well destroy the fluorescence. I've seen that happen before. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Stan Perry Verzonden: dinsdag 21 juni 2005 0:08 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods Hi Axel, Without seeing the picture but from the description it is most likely from the prolific quarry of Lime City, Ohio. Great fluorescent and phosphorescent celestite as well as fluorite. I do not remember reading any literature about the alteration but I had always heard the strontianite after celestite variety. They tend to change from blue to white the farther along the psuedomorphism and thus higher strontian content. I have some specimens with small ball shaped sprays of strontianite also from the quarry. I am sure to see many specimens from there at the upcoming show this weekend in Bloomington Indiana. For a review of the 2001 Bloomington Show you can go to the link below; http://emineralshow.com/show2.htm A number of list members will be in attendance and I will likely be blowing out some flats of Cave-In-Rock, Illinois and Viburnum Trend Missouri flats from a collection I just purchased. Hope to see some of you there. Cheers, Stan --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi people, > > last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: > Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite > Wood County, Ohia > > The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather > big and I heard that > there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a > slide that I made of the > specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have > knowledge of the Wood county > quarries and are willing to help me find the right > location: please write me > off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. > Also there seems to be some debate whether it is > strontianite after > celestite or aragonite after celestite. > The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal > habit, not unlike aragonite, > but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white > fluorescence (under all > wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the > crystals and quite zoned. > There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence > that lasts for a few > seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 21 07:00:29 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 21 07:00:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: <001a01c575e6$f4f1c3a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: >Both aragonite and strontianite ps celestine sound a bit unlikely to me, Had the same sentiments but stranger things have happened... >Dunno if that sheds any light on the subject, but it gives you something to >work with. Should be easy to at least figure out whether they're actually >pseudos or not. Yeah, it looks that way though ;-))) Axel From kadok at infowest.com Tue Jun 21 07:27:57 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Jun 21 07:28:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050621142800.99576A1133@marbella.infowest.com> Yes, the Ohia lehua is really lovely! Close kin to the ones we call "bottlebrush" in California. (It really looks like a bright red bottlebrush!) Margaret >This is another of Kitty's really great links! >Jeanette & I were impressed with the beauty of the Ohia trees and their >very bright red blooms. >I didn't know the name until we hiked into the big crater with a ranger >guide. These trees were abundant and many were literally covered with >blooms around the sulfur fumeroles. >The blooms look similar to Mimosa blooms here, but the Mimosa flowers are >pink. >Glenn >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox <kahako@verizon.net> >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods >Ohia is undoubtedly a typo for Ohio, but the ohia is a very >attractive and versatile native Hawaiian tree, metrosideros >polymorphata, which is often the first plant to appear after a fire >or lava flow (pioneer species). See some beautiful pictures of ohia >on Chain of Craters Road and elsewhere in Volcanoes National Park >at: > >http://simplethinking.com/home/hawaii/ohia.shtml > >It is also a close relative of the New Zealand rata tree, >metrosideros robusta. > >Aloha, Kitty > > >At 12:25 AM 6/20/2005, Axel wrote: >>Hi people, >> >>last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: >>Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite >>Wood County, Ohia >> >>The Ohia is probably Ohio, > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ How does 6 Songs for 99 cents sound?? Go to music.msn.com and meet FREE music --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tjokela at execulink.com Tue Jun 21 08:52:28 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Tue Jun 21 08:52:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods References: Message-ID: <004401c57679$39e9ef40$6400a8c0@Junior> Looks exactly like a typical specimen from the Maumee Stone Co. Quarry, Lime City, OH. I don't think there's any pseudomorphism going on, just color zoning. Those celestine's are quite neat and odd for the mineral, quite atypical. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Johan Maertens" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods > Hi Jim, Stan, Glen, and Johan and all the lurkers (LOL) > > here be interesting stuff for ye seasoned rockhounds. > > I put some photos of the specimen, along with some comparative stuff) on > my > web space so everybody can go and take a peek. > > The Woods county pseudomorph "aragonite AFTER celestite" may look weird at > first. The dayligh picture shows hexagonal crystals. Araonite crystals > would > be psuedohexagonal and they would show indentations on the seems where the > triplets meet. There is no sign of that. > Take a look if you will at: > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/axel.emmerman/minerant/woodstopside.jp > g From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 21 09:01:54 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:01:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Volcanoes Park pics, was Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620084533.025aa350@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: Lovely trees, Kitty. I particularly liked the anaglyphs on that link. Except for the unreal colors, it seems like you're really there ;-))) We have had some REALLY hot weather the last few days (an odd 36?C in the shade in my garden)... nothing to do but sit still and sweat a little. Today's better. Flowers exploding all over the place... Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox Verzonden: maandag 20 juni 2005 21:03 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Volcanoes Park pics, was Fluorescent out of the Woods The rest of that site is great too. Check out topics Cold Lava, Hot Lava, and Sulfur Fumaroles. http://simplethinking.com/home/hawaii/index.shtml Aloha, Kitty PS Some Ohia trees bloom in other warm colors. We have a yellow and an orange in our yard as well as the more common red. At 07:30 AM 6/20/2005, Glenn wrote: >This is another of Kitty's really great links! > >Jeanette & I were impressed with the beauty of the Ohia trees and their >very bright red blooms. >I didn't know the name until we hiked into the big crater with a ranger >guide. These trees were abundant and many were literally covered with >blooms around the sulfur fumeroles. > >The blooms look similar to Mimosa blooms here, but the Mimosa flowers are >pink. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Alpen at aol.com Wed Jun 22 10:03:13 2005 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 22 10:03:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rouckhounding near Detroit? Message-ID: <67.476b8bc3.2feaf3d1@aol.com> Hi all, I'm fairly new to the list and had been just reading the emails. It's humbling, as I love hunting for interesting rocks, but I realize after reading all the emails that I have very little geology and mineral knowledge. So it's fun for me and I know I'll learn a lot, and hopefully I'll be able to contribute something of value to the list at some point. Anyway, I have a meeting in September, in Detroit, and I was wondering if there were any interesting rockhounding sites within a couple hours of Detroit that would be worth spending an extra day in that area? I enjoy collecting agates, jaspers and other silicate rocks. Also, if there are any good areas for arrowhead point hunting, I also enjoy those. Cheers, Eric --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 13:07:31 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Jun 22 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectrum Mine In-Reply-To: <67.476b8bc3.2feaf3d1@aol.com> References: <67.476b8bc3.2feaf3d1@aol.com> Message-ID: Hello, I'm thinking of heading up to Plush, OR to look for sunstones about mid-July. Does anybody know if the free offer from Chris at the Spectrum Mine is still open to subscribers on this list? Does anybody know his email? Because of a physical problem (and old age) I'm not able to go on rough ground. I do OK on flat ground but not so good where it is steep. About 3 or 4 years ago I turned an electric wheelchair over backwards going up a steep hill in Nevada. I had to lay there, head pointing downhill and feet in the air, until two big guys from the Esmeralda Co. sheriff's office came and flipped me back on my wheels. They went to some lengths to explain that motor homes and electric wheelchairs should stay off the 4WD roads in Nevada. I left that day but came back two weeks later just to prove I could go up that hill. I've also had all 4 wheels break through the alkali crust on a dry lake, leaving me stuck. That white stuff is worse than mud or snow, once you break through the crust. My wife keeps a close eye on me now, since she's the one who has to explain to 911 which dirt road we are on. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA From tjokela at execulink.com Wed Jun 22 13:23:18 2005 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed Jun 22 13:23:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectrum Mine References: <67.476b8bc3.2feaf3d1@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c57768$3a090160$6400a8c0@Junior> Dunno anything about the sunstones, but I did want to say damn, Grant, that's some hardcore rockhounding you're doing. Most people would just give up if they were faced with your difficulties. Congratulations, and keep on givener! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Johnston" snip > About 3 or 4 years ago I turned an electric wheelchair over backwards > going up a steep hill in Nevada. I had to lay there, head pointing > downhill and feet in the air, until two big guys from the Esmeralda Co. > sheriff's office came and flipped me back on my wheels. > > They went to some lengths to explain that motor homes and electric > wheelchairs should stay off the 4WD roads in Nevada. I left that day > but came back two weeks later just to prove I could go up that hill. > > I've also had all 4 wheels break through the alkali crust on a dry > lake, leaving me stuck. That white stuff is worse than mud or snow, > once you break through the crust. My wife keeps a close eye on me now, > since she's the one who has to explain to 911 which dirt road we are > on. > > Grant Johnston, Chico, CA > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From albalmer at att.net Wed Jun 22 15:12:42 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Jun 22 15:12:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectrum Mine In-Reply-To: References: <67.476b8bc3.2feaf3d1@aol.com> Message-ID: <42B9E25A.3070704@att.net> Grant Johnston wrote: > Hello, > > I'm thinking of heading up to Plush, OR to look for sunstones about > mid-July. Does anybody know if the free offer from Chris at the > Spectrum Mine is still open to subscribers on this list? Does anybody > know his email? Hi, Grant Yes, the Spectrum mine is open for free digging. I enjoyed a day there only a couple of weeks ago. Chris's email is Tourmalineminer at aol.com . Check the web site at www.highdesertgemsandminerals.com . > > Because of a physical problem (and old age) I'm not able to go on > rough ground. I do OK on flat ground but not so good where it is > steep. > > About 3 or 4 years ago I turned an electric wheelchair over backwards > going up a steep hill in Nevada. I had to lay there, head pointing > downhill > and feet in the air, until two big guys from the Esmeralda Co. > sheriff's office came and flipped me back on my wheels. > > They went to some lengths to explain that motor homes and electric > wheelchairs should stay off the 4WD roads in Nevada. I left that day > but came back two weeks later just to prove I could go up that hill. Way to go! You obviously need a 4WD wheelchair! > > I've also had all 4 wheels break through the alkali crust on a dry > lake, leaving me stuck. That white stuff is worse than mud or snow, > once you break through the crust. My wife keeps a close eye on me now, > since she's the one who has to explain to 911 which dirt road we are > on. From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu Jun 23 17:29:50 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Thu Jun 23 17:29:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectrum Mine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005001c57853$c9d07df0$0300a8c0@gametime> Grant: You really need to rebuild the chair into a true 4-wheeler... Bigger tires; off-road suspension; bigger motor; bigger battery... gumption; well, you have plenty of that! Use it well! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA PS If you get an off-road chair working, I know a few others that will probably be interested. About 3 or 4 years ago I turned an electric wheelchair over backwards going up a steep hill in Nevada. I had to lay there, head pointing downhill and feet in the air, until two big guys from the Esmeralda Co. sheriff's office came and flipped me back on my wheels. I've also had all 4 wheels break through the alkali crust on a dry lake, leaving me stuck. That white stuff is worse than mud or snow, once you break through the crust. From MCGINNISG at aol.com Thu Jun 23 19:37:48 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 23 19:37:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Spectrum Mine Message-ID: <1f4.c5172b8.2feccbfc@aol.com> Snip You really need to rebuild the chair into a true 4-wheeler... Bigger tires; off-road suspension; bigger motor; bigger battery... gumption; well, you have plenty of that! Use it well! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA >From what you are describing...they already have one. It's called a quad. Tim McGinnis --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Fri Jun 24 07:25:01 2005 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Fri Jun 24 07:22:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for a Genie in/near Boston In-Reply-To: <71AD70E0-DF2A-11D9-89AB-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: Hi All, Karen Christians of Metalwerx in Boston is looking for a Genie to borrow for a seminar - as described below in her post to the "orchid" list yesterday which I pass on with her permission: >> Hi All, >> >> I am in a bind. I need a Genie Lapidary system for a 5 day >> workshop at Metalwerx with Michael Boyd. Dates are: June 29-July 3rd. >> >> If you are in the Boston area or within 50 miles of driving, I >> would be glad to pick it up. We offer $250 for the rental for five >> days. >> >> Please email me offline. >> >> Thanks ever so much! >> >> Karen Christians >> M E T A L W E R X >> 50 Guinan St. >> Waltham, MA 02451 >> Ph. 781/891-3854 Fax 3857 >> http://www.metalwerx.com/ >> Jewelry/Metalarts School & Cooperative Studio ========== Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada www.virtualfundy.com From kahako at verizon.net Sat Jun 25 00:56:29 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jun 25 00:56:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050624150823.02367658@incoming.verizon.net> Hi List, I went back out to the area around Mauna Ulu yesterday. I think I've become addicted to it! As I've mentioned before, Mauna Ulu is a small mountain or large cinder cone that erupted from 1969 to ''74. It is strange that Bill and I have driven right by this location hundreds of times since 1980 when we first moved to the Big Island, but until a few months ago we've never stopped to look around. We've been to Sulfur Banks, to see the lava going into the ocean, hiked through Kilauea Crater,and many other interesting lava locations, but not Mauna Ulu. Yesterday was a typical trade-wind-showers day...about 75 (F) degrees, breezy, mostly sunny, and every now and then a cloud would appear and cool me off with a douse of rain, then in a couple of minutes the sun would be back to dry me off. Because of heavy rain the night before, more steam than usual could be seen rising out of cracks in the side of Mauna Ulu. I started from a pull-out parking area on Chain of Craters Road and walked toward mounds of lava in a more-or-less straight line running towards Mauna Ulu. My shoes produced a crunching sound---like walking on corn flakes!---because what looked from a distance like gravel or crushed cinder was actually lapili (a mixture of scoria, pumice, Pele's tears and reticulite). When I reached the mounds, it was obvious that they were made from lava fountaining out of a fissure, and this is what formed the line. The fissure had smooth sloping sides, some of which were orange or brick red, others gray or pale green. I didn't go too close to the edge, because I could have slipped down in, and in some places the crevice was so deep I could not see the bottom. The mounds along the edge of the fissure showed "plop" features where the fountaining lava had fallen back to the ground in drips. I found I was whispering exclamations to myself: "Holy cow!" or "Amazing!" or just "Wow!" as I saw strange shapes, gorgeous iridescence, patches of Pele's hair, tunnels and caves, tree-molds---some looking like chimneys or smoke stacks---with the interior surfaces powdery like chalk. It never ceases to amaze me that these shapes were made by liquid rock! There are places where the lava looks exactly like the crackled surface of baked brownies. Others look like stretched chocolate fudge or twisted peanut butter (lots of food imagery here)! On the other hand, there was lava that was lumpy like oatmeal and yellow ochre in color---rather disgusting in appearance, actually! I found a place where a drip had stretched into a needle about 12 cm. long and when I lightly tapped it, it made a "twang" sound like a guitar string. Once I reached down to touch some iridescent lava and when I pulled my hand back a piece about 2 cm. across was dangling from the tip of my finger; a sharp point had stuck like a barb to my skin, but it was so small that it didn't hurt and drew no blood. The collector in me kept thinking, "It's a shame all this is in the Park, so I can't take any of this stuff." But the part of me that has worked for the National Forest Service and that firmly believes National Parks are national treasures kept thinking, "It's great that all this is protected!" And then a flock of Nene (Hawaiian goose) flew by; about a dozen birds were in a classic "V" formation but only about 3 meters above the ground. They landed in some grass and brush at the edge of the lava flow, and in a while I heard them muttering the sound that undoubtedly inspired their name: "Nene, nenene, ne nene." (Nene is the Hawaii state bird, is protected, and looks a lot like a Canada Goose.) Later when I was in an area that is not within the park I collected some pieces of Pele's hair that look like cat's whiskers, and one piece that is about 9 cm. long and looks exactly like a miniature car radio antenna---about 1 mm. thick at one end, tapering to a hair's width at the other end, with a tiny 1 mm. diameter ball at the tip! I also found a small chunk---about 2 cm. in diameter---of what I call "Pele's sponge" but is actually reticulite; this was particularly interesting and unusual in that in addition to the slight golden sheen this material often has, it is iridescent with pink, blue and green clearly visible on the open mesh of the glass bubbles. I also found some material that has the rainbow colors of the other iridescent lava, but the surface is not shiny; it's not even like a satin finish; it's flat or matte. Reminds me of some "turgite" Goethite I've seen. As I returned to the car a true trade wind shower arrived---not the light kind that had gently cooled me earlier, but a heavy one with pelting drops---and I scooted into the driver's seat, awkwardly removed my backpack, and dried of with a towel I always keep in the car (we get between 130 and 200 inches of rain a year in Hilo, so a towel in the car is a handy accessory). I drove off with windshield wipers on high, and a few minutes later the rain stopped and the sun was out again. Aloha, Kitty From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Jun 25 07:35:44 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 25 07:35:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050624150823.02367658@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003201c57993$2bc28950$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> sigh...........wish I had been there with you.......sigh.. I too noted all the "brownie top" surfaces as we were walking along the lava. Looks just like somebody had been "working" fudge, or cooling pan of brownies. I thought maybe I was just hungry about that time. I wish I'd known then what I know now about all the different lava types. But we weren't in the rock club, nor on the rockhound list at the time. Worlds of education since then. So now we have to go back ;-) Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:56 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report > Hi List, > > I went back out to the area around Mauna Ulu yesterday. I think I've > become addicted to it! As I've mentioned before, Mauna Ulu is a small > mountain or large cinder cone that erupted from 1969 to ''74. It is > strange that Bill and I have driven right by this location hundreds of > times since 1980 when we first moved to the Big Island, but until a few > months ago we've never stopped to look around. We've been to Sulfur > Banks, to see the lava going into the ocean, hiked through Kilauea > Crater,and many other interesting lava locations, but not Mauna Ulu. > > Yesterday was a typical trade-wind-showers day...about 75 (F) degrees, > breezy, mostly sunny, and every now and then a cloud would appear and cool > me off with a douse of rain, then in a couple of minutes the sun would be > back to dry me off. Because of heavy rain the night before, more steam > than usual could be seen rising out of cracks in the side of Mauna Ulu. I > started from a pull-out parking area on Chain of Craters Road and walked > toward mounds of lava in a more-or-less straight line running towards > Mauna Ulu. My shoes produced a crunching sound---like walking on corn > flakes!---because what looked from a distance like gravel or crushed > cinder was actually lapili (a mixture of scoria, pumice, Pele's tears and > reticulite). When I reached the mounds, it was obvious that they were > made from lava fountaining out of a fissure, and this is what formed the > line. The fissure had smooth sloping sides, some of which were orange or > brick red, others gray or pale green. I didn't go too close to the edge, > because I could have slipped down in, and in some places the crevice was > so deep I could not see the bottom. The mounds along the edge of the > fissure showed "plop" features where the fountaining lava had fallen back > to the ground in drips. I found I was whispering exclamations to myself: > "Holy cow!" or "Amazing!" or just "Wow!" as I saw strange shapes, gorgeous > iridescence, patches of Pele's hair, tunnels and caves, tree-molds---some > looking like chimneys or smoke stacks---with the interior surfaces powdery > like chalk. It never ceases to amaze me that these shapes were made by > liquid rock! There are places where the lava looks exactly like the > crackled surface of baked brownies. Others look like stretched chocolate > fudge or twisted peanut butter (lots of food imagery here)! On the other > hand, there was lava that was lumpy like oatmeal and yellow ochre in > color---rather disgusting in appearance, actually! I found a place where > a drip had stretched into a needle about 12 cm. long and when I lightly > tapped it, it made a "twang" sound like a guitar string. Once I reached > down to touch some iridescent lava and when I pulled my hand back a piece > about 2 cm. across was dangling from the tip of my finger; a sharp point > had stuck like a barb to my skin, but it was so small that it didn't hurt > and drew no blood. > > The collector in me kept thinking, "It's a shame all this is in the Park, > so I can't take any of this stuff." But the part of me that has worked > for the National Forest Service and that firmly believes National Parks > are national treasures kept thinking, "It's great that all this is > protected!" And then a flock of Nene (Hawaiian goose) flew by; about a > dozen birds were in a classic "V" formation but only about 3 meters above > the ground. They landed in some grass and brush at the edge of the lava > flow, and in a while I heard them muttering the sound that undoubtedly > inspired their name: "Nene, nenene, ne nene." (Nene is the Hawaii state > bird, is protected, and looks a lot like a Canada Goose.) > > Later when I was in an area that is not within the park I collected some > pieces of Pele's hair that look like cat's whiskers, and one piece that is > about 9 cm. long and looks exactly like a miniature car radio > antenna---about 1 mm. thick at one end, tapering to a hair's width at the > other end, with a tiny 1 mm. diameter ball at the tip! I also found a > small chunk---about 2 cm. in diameter---of what I call "Pele's sponge" but > is actually reticulite; this was particularly interesting and unusual in > that in addition to the slight golden sheen this material often has, it is > iridescent with pink, blue and green clearly visible on the open mesh of > the glass bubbles. I also found some material that has the rainbow colors > of the other iridescent lava, but the surface is not shiny; it's not even > like a satin finish; it's flat or matte. Reminds me of some "turgite" > Goethite I've seen. > > As I returned to the car a true trade wind shower arrived---not the light > kind that had gently cooled me earlier, but a heavy one with pelting > drops---and I scooted into the driver's seat, awkwardly removed my > backpack, and dried of with a towel I always keep in the car (we get > between 130 and 200 inches of rain a year in Hilo, so a towel in the car > is a handy accessory). I drove off with windshield wipers on high, and a > few minutes later the rain stopped and the sun was out again. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Sat Jun 25 10:23:49 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Jun 25 10:17:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes Message-ID: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Howdy, Well this is slightly OT, but topical enough because I will be driving west to start my new life as a M.S. geology major. So, I have already decided I can make Pittsburgh by the first day, and Chicago the next. So far so good. However I need advice on driving from Chicago to Moscow, ID (which is not far from Spokane, WA). There seem to be two main highways going that direction, one a little more north than the other. When I use YahooMaps it directs me toward the northernmost route, through ND and MT. However they both look equally fast, at least on paper. Unfortunately, I am not looking for the scenic route, or places to collect, or good museums. I need to focus on getting there since it is going to be a long drive. Speaking of Focus, I am driving a Ford Focus wagon which is adequate, but doesn't provide a lot of power, so I am looking to avoid the more mountainous and dubious terrain. Once I get near my destination, there aren't many choices (Moscow pretty much has two roads in an out). So really I need advice getting from Chicago through the Great Plains/Midwest area to the general area of Spokane. I figure we have a diverse group of list members who will be more familiar with these regions than I. Oh, one more thing: I'd like to keep the driving to 8-10 hrs. per day, and stop at a fairly decent sized town at the end of each day. I would like to stay in hotels that have indoor parking or at least a private lot, if possible. By "fairly decent sized town" I would include places like Billings or Helena MT, and Bismarck ND; any place that shows up on a national map and won't require me to stay in the "no-tell motel" or where I can disappear and no one will ever find my car or my body. BTW I will have a Garmin GPS V, a CB radio, a 3-way cell phone, and maps. From kahako at verizon.net Sat Jun 25 10:53:36 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jun 25 10:53:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> References: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050625074001.025a79c0@incoming.verizon.net> Bill and I took 90, and it was a good, easy, fast route all the way between Spokane and Chicago. Take 90 right into Spokane and then go south on 195 to Pullman, and back east across the line into Moscow. Although its a bit longer, that is a faster road than turning south at Coeur d'Alene. Aloha, Kitty At 07:23 AM 6/25/2005, Don H wrote: >So, I have already decided I can make Pittsburgh by the first day, and >Chicago the next. So far so good. However I need advice on driving from >Chicago to Moscow, ID (which is not far from Spokane, WA). There seem to >be two main highways going that direction, one a little more north than >the other. When I use YahooMaps it directs me toward the northernmost >route, through ND and MT. However they both look equally fast, at least >on paper. From kahako at verizon.net Sat Jun 25 10:55:37 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jun 25 10:55:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report In-Reply-To: <003201c57993$2bc28950$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050624150823.02367658@incoming.verizon.net> <003201c57993$2bc28950$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050625072714.025892b0@incoming.verizon.net> Let us know when you do come back and we'll show you around! Aloha, Kitty At 04:35 AM 6/25/2005, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >I wish I'd known then what I know now about all the different lava types. >But we weren't in the rock club, nor on the rockhound list at the time. >Worlds of education since then. So now we have to go back ;-) From ronwinter at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 11:40:28 2005 From: ronwinter at comcast.net (Ron Winter) Date: Sat Jun 25 11:36:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> References: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Message-ID: <42BDA51C.2000701@comcast.net> Hello Don: For real security, trade in your GPS, CB, maps, and cell phone for some Kevlar and a 15 ton tactical tank with flame thrower, gatling guns, and a thermo-nuclear ICBM launcher! (In case guacamole hits fan) :'( Interstate 90 is a highest quality road and travels faster than alternate routes. It's a straight shot from Chicago to Seattle and all points in-between. There are many hotels along the route, you won't have a problem finding one. Being seriously concerned about safety, you might contact AAA. They will print you out a route, itinerary, stop times, locations, travel speeds, mpg, hotels, motels, restaurants, strip clubs, etc. :-P The point is, AAA will accommodate your needs and ease your mind as you prepare and engage cross country travel. Unfortunately, AAA no longer offers free Apache, Black Hawk, or Chinook helicopter escorts. :-) Don H wrote: > ...not looking for the scenic route > ...hotels that have indoor parking or at least a private lot. . . > ...disappear and no one will ever find my car or my body. > BTW I will have a Garmin GPS V, a CB radio, a 3-way cell phone, and maps. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Regards, Ron Winter Auburn, Washington From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Jun 25 10:11:32 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Jun 25 12:12:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes References: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050625074001.025a79c0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <005101c579a8$f89f8e40$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Don, I have driven from the Midwest to the west coast (and vice versa) many, many times and have taken various routes. I have camped in the middle of nowhere, stayed in upscale motels and fleabag "No-tells". The worst problem I've encountered is the long stretch of flat boredom that is Nebraska (sorry all you Nebraskans out there), so ease your mind. 95 south out of Coeur d' Alene is now a four-lane highway for about 1/3 of the way to Moscow, a beautiful drive and probably quicker than going through Spokane at this point due to traffic and road construction on 90. Moscow is a lovely little town and I hope you enjoy it. Julie and I are a short drive north in Santa. Perhaps we'll meet some day. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > Bill and I took 90, and it was a good, easy, fast route all the way between > Spokane and Chicago. Take 90 right into Spokane and then go south on 195 > to Pullman, and back east across the line into Moscow. Although its a bit > longer, that is a faster road than turning south at Coeur d'Alene. From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Jun 25 15:41:42 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 25 15:41:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050624150823.02367658@incoming.verizon.net><003201c57993$2bc28950$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <6.2.1.2.0.20050625072714.025892b0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003201c579d7$0f056af0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Well, I hope we're all still alive, well, and on the list when we can afford to do that, so we can take you up on that! We'd certainly love to meet our Hawaiian rockhound!! Jeanette ' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] another lava report > Let us know when you do come back and we'll show you around! > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 04:35 AM 6/25/2005, Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >>I wish I'd known then what I know now about all the different lava types. >>But we weren't in the rock club, nor on the rockhound list at the time. >>Worlds of education since then. So now we have to go back ;-) > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Jun 25 15:46:11 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 25 15:46:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050624150823.02367658@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: Go ahead and rub it in....you live in a paradise. Thanks for sharing the trip report! Glenn >From: Kitty & Bill Heacox <kahako@verizon.net> >Subject: [Rockhounds] another lava report >Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:56:29 -1000 > >Hi List, > >I went back out to the area around Mauna Ulu yesterday. I think >I've become addicted to it! As I've mentioned before, Mauna Ulu is > >Aloha, Kitty > > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Jun 25 16:32:29 2005 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 25 16:32:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Message-ID: Good advice to take the more northerly route. Lots of cross-country trucks are a real threat to 4 wheelers on I-70. Glenn >From: Don H <morningstar@att.net> >>Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes > > >Howdy, > >Well this is slightly OT, but topical enough because I will be >driving west to start my new life as a M.S. geology major. >BTW I will have a Garmin GPS V, a CB radio, a 3-way cell phone, and >maps. > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Get the NEW version of MSN Messenger with Video Conversation - it's FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From roughrock at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 19:30:07 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sat Jun 25 19:30:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> References: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Message-ID: Interstate 90 is the best route. Interstates are built with a 5% grade on mountains. A Volkswagen bus can climb them and a 14,000 pound RV can go down without smoking the brakes. South Dakota can put you to sleep. The most exciting thing to do is read the Wall Drugstore sign. And by all means, stop in Wall South Dakota to see the drugstore that ate a small town. Grant On 6/25/05, Don H wrote: > > Howdy, > > Well this is slightly OT, but topical enough because I will be driving > west to start my new life as a M.S. geology major. > From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Jun 25 20:23:47 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sat Jun 25 20:23:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <755115277d5db746b6274e8f649e4933@cox.net> If your trip happens to take you more south, I-10 is a dangerous mess. Far too many trucks with drivers of questionable IQ vs. Ego. When possible, leave I-10 for I-8 West around Casa Grande. The grade to 4K twice, keeps the trucks on I-10. Boring, nothing can be more so than Texas from El Paso to Dallas. takes forever. Terrie From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Jun 25 20:28:06 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sat Jun 25 20:28:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> References: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Message-ID: <14bcee9c48124a2d3cd3e8cb0f8d7066@cox.net> Don, Congratulations, good luck, and Bon Voyage. Terrie From scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com Sat Jun 25 21:24:56 2005 From: scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com (Scott Kleine, Great Basin Minerals) Date: Sat Jun 25 21:21:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] California FRESNOITE update from my 1998 mining project- References: <20050605132342.5BE45CA078@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <01bf01c57a07$02c01670$df124ed1@gbm> Hello All! I am proud to announce a significant update of about a hundred or so of my best remaining specimens of this rare yellow AND pink mineral species found during my 1998 mining project at the Junnila Property, San Benito County, California. I wrote all about it in Rock & Gem magazine, March, 1999. To see many pictures of world-class fresnoite specimens and to learn more about this unique mineral, please visit- http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Fresnoite%20Page.htm All the best! Scott Kleine- Great Basin Minerals www.greatbasinminerals.com scottkleine@greatbasinminerals.com From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 05:45:37 2005 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun Jun 26 05:44:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for References: <200506260100.j5Q10Ym6013760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <42BEA371.3A20BD0@earthlink.net> Getting around that southern end of Chicago can be a major pain. I would suggest you hit it on Sunday morning if possible. If not Sunday, then maybe mid-day. Any time you hit it, it is likely to add 0.5 hours to 3 hours to your trip just waiting in line. A judicious use of the toll way can be very beneficial. Last time I was there - maybe November of last year, the west bound traffic was very slow due to construction. We were heading east. Mike > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:23:49 -0400 > From: Don H > Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for > routes > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Howdy, > > Well this is slightly OT, but topical enough because I will be driving > west to start my new life as a M.S. geology major. > > So, I have already decided I can make Pittsburgh by the first day, and > Chicago the next. So far so good. However I need advice on driving > from Chicago to Moscow, ID (which is not far from Spokane, WA). There > seem to be two main highways going that direction, one a little more > north than the other. When I use YahooMaps it directs me toward the > northernmost route, through ND and MT. However they both look equally > fast, at least on paper. > > Unfortunately, I am not looking for the scenic route, or places to > collect, or good museums. I need to focus on getting there since it is > going to be a long drive. Speaking of Focus, I am driving a Ford Focus > wagon which is adequate, but doesn't provide a lot of power, so I am > looking to avoid the more mountainous and dubious terrain. > > Once I get near my destination, there aren't many choices (Moscow pretty > much has two roads in an out). So really I need advice getting from > Chicago through the Great Plains/Midwest area to the general area of > Spokane. I figure we have a diverse group of list members who will be > more familiar with these regions than I. > > Oh, one more thing: I'd like to keep the driving to 8-10 hrs. per day, > and stop at a fairly decent sized town at the end of each day. I would > like to stay in hotels that have indoor parking or at least a private > lot, if possible. By "fairly decent sized town" I would include places > like Billings or Helena MT, and Bismarck ND; any place that shows up on > a national map and won't require me to stay in the "no-tell motel" or > where I can disappear and no one will ever find my car or my body. > > BTW I will have a Garmin GPS V, a CB radio, a 3-way cell phone, and maps. From kadok at infowest.com Sun Jun 26 07:45:00 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Jun 26 07:44:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <42BD9325.8060807@att.net> Message-ID: <20050626144451.5C42FA1046@marbella.infowest.com> Have you considered checking with AAA? Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:24 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes Howdy, Well this is slightly OT, but topical enough because I will be driving west to start my new life as a M.S. geology major. So, I have already decided I can make Pittsburgh by the first day, and Chicago the next. So far so good. However I need advice on driving from Chicago to Moscow, ID (which is not far from Spokane, WA). There seem to be two main highways going that direction, one a little more north than the other. When I use YahooMaps it directs me toward the northernmost route, through ND and MT. However they both look equally fast, at least on paper. Unfortunately, I am not looking for the scenic route, or places to collect, or good museums. I need to focus on getting there since it is going to be a long drive. Speaking of Focus, I am driving a Ford Focus wagon which is adequate, but doesn't provide a lot of power, so I am looking to avoid the more mountainous and dubious terrain. Once I get near my destination, there aren't many choices (Moscow pretty much has two roads in an out). So really I need advice getting from Chicago through the Great Plains/Midwest area to the general area of Spokane. I figure we have a diverse group of list members who will be more familiar with these regions than I. Oh, one more thing: I'd like to keep the driving to 8-10 hrs. per day, and stop at a fairly decent sized town at the end of each day. I would like to stay in hotels that have indoor parking or at least a private lot, if possible. By "fairly decent sized town" I would include places like Billings or Helena MT, and Bismarck ND; any place that shows up on a national map and won't require me to stay in the "no-tell motel" or where I can disappear and no one will ever find my car or my body. BTW I will have a Garmin GPS V, a CB radio, a 3-way cell phone, and maps. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Sun Jun 26 08:12:49 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sun Jun 26 08:06:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes In-Reply-To: <20050626144451.5C42FA1046@marbella.infowest.com> References: <20050626144451.5C42FA1046@marbella.infowest.com> Message-ID: <42BEC5F1.4080007@att.net> Margaret Malm wrote: > Have you considered checking with AAA? > Margaret Hi, My parents are buying me a AAA Plus membership as a present. Yes I think I will use them. However, the one time I used them for a road trip, I wasn't too happy with the results. I will combine their advice with the fine advice I have received here. I think I will stick with the Route 90 method. So far I have decided I will pack the moving van on Thurs., make Pittsburgh on Friday, and transit the upper eastern Midwest over the weekend. By Monday, I should be well west of places like Chicago where there is a lot of traffic. I have a lot of good advice now and there seems to be a general consensus of what to do. I still haven't planned out what to do west of Pittsburgh, but that won't be too difficult now. I was planning on taking a leisurely trip of 5 days, but really, according to what I learned from YahooMaps and the people here, I should be able to do it in 4 days. Best to all, Don Halterman From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Jun 26 09:49:54 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Jun 26 09:49:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting trip June 17 & 18 (photos) References: <003601c57446$a12bc460$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <00c601c57a6f$147ef3f0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Barry Sutton kindly created a temp web page for some pictures (with a little text) from the collecting trip I described last week (June 17 - 18). It is at: http://Lakeneosho.org/Temp42.html Alan From kahako at verizon.net Sun Jun 26 12:16:13 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 26 12:16:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] steel in space (OT) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050626091458.0252e550@incoming.verizon.net> Hi there, I seldom contribute, and this is off topic. But many of us are interested in astronomy and science, so here goes. I wrote this inspired by the book by Dan van der Vat. By terms of the armistice of 1918 ending the First World War, the German High Seas Fleet was interned by the British at Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands. Seventy-four ships were anchored there, together with skeleton German crews, led by Rear Admiral Ludwig von Reuter. On 21 June 1919, as an act of protest, the crews deliberately scuttled the entire fleet, sending 59 vessels permanently to the bottom. Many of the ships were eventually salvaged, but several, including two battleships and three heavy cruisers, sunk in waters too deep for them to be raised. Since 1945 all steel exposed to the atmosphere has contained traces of radioactivity due to atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons, as well as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The most delicate instruments designed to measure subatomic particles require radioactivity-free materials, so a small industry has developed to "mine" the High Seas Fleet scuttled ships for high-quality steel free of radioactivity: their entombment underwater has kept them from radioactive contamination. Steel from this source has been used in scientific spacecraft, and thus remnants from the High Seas Fleet now rest on the Moon and are on their way into interstellar space. We have beaten our swords into plowshares, and flung them at the stars. Aloha, Bill From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 12:58:21 2005 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scott Blair) Date: Sun Jun 26 12:58:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Sunstone Dig a Spectrum Mine References: <128.5b839e44.2f9c935b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris: I left a message on your phone. Let me know if my wife and I can come out and dig for sunstones? We can dry camp. But we would need directions as to how to reach your claim. My home phone is (541) 512-0047. Or my cell is (541) 621-2558. Please call or email so we can decide what we are doing this next week. Hope to hear back from you soon. Warm Regards - Scott Blair and Meesha Koch ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Sunstone Dig a Spectrum Mine > There is an alternative for fee digging sunstone and having to pay high > prices for what you find. We are offering free digging at no charge at the > Spectrum Sunstone Mine. You keep whatever you find at no charge regardless of value. > We guarantee that everyone finds reds, greens and schiller stones. We will > give everyone that comes up to the mine and mentions this posting......a 15 > carat facet grade Red Labradorite (sunstone) and one faceted sunstone free of > charge. We are doing this to promote Spectrum Sunstone Mines and show that > there are OTHER sources of high gem quality sunstone being produced and to promote > the stone and increase the sunstone market. We currently own more colored > sunstone producing claims than any other company and it is easier to find > colored and schiller sunstones at Spectrum than at any other sunstone fee dig that I > know of. On average, we find some color or schiller almost every screen full > of dirt. Some of the stones found exceed 300 carats in weight. We also plan > to have our commercial gem screening plant and conveyer picking belt running > this summer. When it is running (it was damaged due to vandalism) we will > allow all that come to the mine to pick sunstones off the belt and keep all they > find without all the work of digging and screening it. We also have a rock > shop with gems and minerals for sale from all of our mines including the > Himalaya Tourmaline Mine as well as around the world. We are also in the process of > putting up manufactured housing at the mine which will be available for our > guests to stay in. (no more pit toilets!!) We expect this to be ready by June. > There is also camping available on the property. We also have an abundant > supply of fresh water from our well for the public to use as well as a swimming > pool, badminton, volleyball and a desert golf course (balls not included) > We officially open to the public on May 15 and close October 31 > Our website is www.highdesertgemsand minerals.com Our map was temporarily > down but is once again working. Hope to see you all up there. > > P.S. My inspiration to let the public dig for free on Spectrum came from Tim > Fisher and some friends of his. Hope to see you up here Tim. > > Chris Rose Tourmalineminer@aol.com 775)772-7724 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 13:57:12 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 26 13:57:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Sunstone Dig a Spectrum Mine In-Reply-To: References: <128.5b839e44.2f9c935b@aol.com> Message-ID: try http://www.highdesertgemsandminerals.com/ I think there is a map. Grant On 6/26/05, Scott Blair wrote: > Hi Chris: > > I left a message on your phone. Let me know if my wife and I can come out > and dig for sunstones? We can dry camp. But we would need directions as to > how to reach your claim. My home phone is (541) 512-0047. Or my cell is > (541) 621-2558. Please call or email so we can decide what we are doing this > next week. Hope to hear back from you soon. > > Warm Regards - Scott Blair and Meesha Koch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:14 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Sunstone Dig a Spectrum Mine > > > > There is an alternative for fee digging sunstone and having to pay high > > prices for what you find. We are offering free digging at no charge at > the > > Spectrum Sunstone Mine. You keep whatever you find at no charge > regardless of value. > > We guarantee that everyone finds reds, greens and schiller stones. We > will > > give everyone that comes up to the mine and mentions this posting......a > 15 > > carat facet grade Red Labradorite (sunstone) and one faceted sunstone free > of > > charge. We are doing this to promote Spectrum Sunstone Mines and show > that > > there are OTHER sources of high gem quality sunstone being produced and to > promote > > the stone and increase the sunstone market. We currently own more colored > > sunstone producing claims than any other company and it is easier to find > > colored and schiller sunstones at Spectrum than at any other sunstone fee > dig that I > > know of. On average, we find some color or schiller almost every screen > full > > of dirt. Some of the stones found exceed 300 carats in weight. We also > plan > > to have our commercial gem screening plant and conveyer picking belt > running > > this summer. When it is running (it was damaged due to vandalism) we will > > allow all that come to the mine to pick sunstones off the belt and keep > all they > > find without all the work of digging and screening it. We also have a > rock > > shop with gems and minerals for sale from all of our mines including the > > Himalaya Tourmaline Mine as well as around the world. We are also in the > process of > > putting up manufactured housing at the mine which will be available for > our > > guests to stay in. (no more pit toilets!!) We expect this to be ready by > June. > > There is also camping available on the property. We also have an > abundant > > supply of fresh water from our well for the public to use as well as a > swimming > > pool, badminton, volleyball and a desert golf course (balls not included) > > We officially open to the public on May 15 and close October 31 > > Our website is www.highdesertgemsand minerals.com Our map was > temporarily > > down but is once again working. Hope to see you all up there. > > > > P.S. My inspiration to let the public dig for free on Spectrum came from > Tim > > Fisher and some friends of his. Hope to see you up here Tim. > > > > Chris Rose Tourmalineminer@aol.com 775)772-7724 > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 14:00:30 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 26 14:00:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Sunstone Dig a Spectrum Mine In-Reply-To: References: <128.5b839e44.2f9c935b@aol.com> Message-ID: from the website. SPECTRUM SUNSTONE MINE FREE DIG Dig for free all day, keep what you find (even the nice ones) from fresh unprocessed ore (mine personnel must be present) . Guaranteed to find reds, greens, dichroic, schiller, clubs and families welcome. Bring screens and hand tools. Spectrum Sunstone Mine is open May 15 through November 1st. Camping is available on our property. We also have a water well. We are in the process of putting up fully accommodated housing which will be available for guests (no more pit toilets..... yeah!!). For a map please click location. On 6/26/05, Grant Johnston wrote: > try > http://www.highdesertgemsandminerals.com/ > > I think there is a map. > > Grant > > On 6/26/05, Scott Blair wrote: > > Hi Chris: > > > > I left a message on your phone. Let me know if my wife and I can come out > > and dig for sunstones? We can dry camp. But we would need directions as to > > how to reach your claim. My home phone is (541) 512-0047. Or my cell is > > (541) 621-2558. Please call or email so we can decide what we are doing this > > next week. Hope to hear back from you soon. > > > > Warm Regards - Scott Blair and Meesha Koch > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:14 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Free Sunstone Dig a From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 14:05:45 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 26 14:05:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] steel in space (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050626091458.0252e550@incoming.verizon.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050626091458.0252e550@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: That was a nice post, and it's a good start. Unfortunately, there are still toooooooo many swords. Now where did I put that hammer, the one I use for beating on steel? Grant On 6/26/05, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi there, > > I seldom contribute, and this is off topic. But many of us are interested > in astronomy and science, so here goes. I wrote this inspired by the book > by Dan van der Vat. > > By terms of the armistice of 1918 ending the First World War, > the German High Seas Fleet was interned by the British at Scapa Flow in the > Orkney Islands. Seventy-four ships were anchored there, together with > skeleton German crews, led by Rear Admiral Ludwig von Reuter. On 21 June > 1919, as an act of protest, the crews deliberately scuttled the entire > fleet, sending 59 vessels permanently to the bottom. Many of the ships > were eventually salvaged, but several, including two battleships and three > heavy cruisers, sunk in waters too deep for them to be raised. > Since 1945 all steel exposed to the atmosphere has contained > traces of radioactivity due to atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons, as > well as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The most delicate > instruments designed to measure subatomic particles require > radioactivity-free materials, so a small industry has developed to "mine" > the High Seas Fleet scuttled ships for high-quality steel free of > radioactivity: their entombment underwater has kept them from radioactive > contamination. Steel from this source has been used in scientific > spacecraft, and thus remnants from the High Seas Fleet now rest on the Moon > and are on their way into interstellar space. We have beaten our swords > into plowshares, and flung them at the stars. > > Aloha, Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From batsondebelfry at yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 17:17:54 2005 From: batsondebelfry at yahoo.com (Neal Hazen) Date: Sun Jun 26 17:17:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello from New Member Message-ID: <20050627001754.84499.qmail@web30913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, My name is Neal Hazen, and I live in Mobile. I am a former science teacher, but my interest comes from my parents plus the ten years I spent working for an oilfield service company. Even as a kid, I spent many hours walking along the nearby railroad tracks, wondering at the fossils I'd find preserved in pieces of chert. In later years, my parents would vacation in Franklin, NC. When they returned, they always had a treasure trove of native rhodolite garnets, sapphire, and rubies. Wish those mines were still open! I am 57 now, but my interest in rocks, minerals and fossils is greater now than at any time before in my life. Just before Christmas last year I talked my brother into taking some vacation time, and I took him on his first rockhounding trip. We went to Alpine, TX to collect plume agate. Despite the hard frost and 22 degreeF temperatures (we dressed for it), he loved it. Two weeks ago I took my youngest son on his first rockhounding adventure. We dug Alabama agate at Jackson, AL. He, too, has been bitten by the bug. Also, back when I used to do a lot of scuba diving, I enjoyed searching the clear waters of Florida Panhandle springs and underwater caves for fossils, Native American artifacts and fossilized coral. With all that having been said, I really haven't done all that much, and don't know that much. It would sure be nice to go on a few trips with some folks who have that wealth of experience. I do belong to a rock and gem club, unfortunately I haven't yet been able to go when they were... very frustrating. I have built a nesting series of classification screens, and bought my first gold pan. Rock and Gem magazine had a series of articles on roadside panning sites in Alabama. I've marked all those locations on my Alabama road map. When it gets a little cooler, I'm headed to the woods! Trouble is, I'm retired now and I want to go during the week and camp out for several days at a time. Seems the only fair way of assessing an area before moving on. I would rather not do this alone, as a safety consideration. But I shall, if it comes down to it. I also would really like to contact someone from the Birmingham Paleontological Society. I've tried emailing them twice from their website, but I've had no response. I know they take a fossil-hunting field trip in Alabama once each month. Maybe they don't check their email very often? Anyway, when Glenn Wimpee told me about this e-list, he said I should write an introduction to let people know who I am. Now, perhaps, you know. If you wish to email me off-list, by all means please do. My e-mail address is batsondebelfry@yahoo.com. Neal Hazen "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." Will Rogers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jbf at jbfminerals.com Sun Jun 26 17:29:39 2005 From: jbf at jbfminerals.com (Jeff Fast) Date: Sun Jun 26 17:29:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Try calcite crystals in fossil clams from Fort Drum, NY Message-ID: <000c01c57aaf$4e3b6cf0$171b0944@Dell2004> Neal, Saw your introduction on the rockhounds list. Combine your love of fossils and minerals and collect fossil clams with calcites in them from Fort Drum, FL. $60 per day only on hte weekends, but worth it. Check out this link http://www.jbfminerals.com/cgi-bin/scripts/stories/flclam.cgi Good luck! Jeff Fast --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From batsondebelfry at yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 17:41:34 2005 From: batsondebelfry at yahoo.com (Neal Hazen) Date: Sun Jun 26 17:41:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30 In-Reply-To: <200506260100.j5Q10YmA013760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050627004134.84608.qmail@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi folks, and, "Wow"! Green with envy, sittin' right here, tappin' on keys. Have you, perchance taken any photos you'd care to share? I enjoyed your colorful descriptions, but having never been to Hawaii (a condition unlikely to change), a photo safari would been very much appreciated. Neal Hazen Hi List, I went back out to the area around Mauna Ulu yesterday. I think I've become addicted to it! As I've mentioned before, Mauna Ulu is a small mountain or large cinder cone that erupted from 1969 to ''74. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 26 15:42:21 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 26 17:43:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello from New Member References: <20050627001754.84499.qmail@web30913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c57aa0$55b04aa0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Neal, Welcome to the list! I'm in Idaho but if I ever make it to Alabama again I'd be glad to do some camping/panning/rockhounding with you. I don't scuba dive anymore due to ear problems but perhaps we could get some bass fishing in? John From kahako at verizon.net Sun Jun 26 19:02:19 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 26 19:02:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: photos & subject change (was Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30) In-Reply-To: <20050627004134.84608.qmail@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200506260100.j5Q10YmA013760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <20050627004134.84608.qmail@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050626154948.025eac30@incoming.verizon.net> At 02:41 PM 6/26/2005, Neal Hazen wrote: >Hi folks, and, "Wow"! Green with envy, sittin' right here, tappin' on >keys. Have you, perchance taken any photos you'd care to share? I enjoyed >your colorful descriptions, but having never been to Hawaii (a condition >unlikely to change), a photo safari would been very much appreciated. Hi Neal & List, I do have photos, and am hoping that as we transition to new leadership this summer we will develop a website where list members can post pictures. Also an administration pointer for you as a new member (and reminder to those who are not new): Please change the topic in the Subject line to match your theme. This is especially important for those on the Digest, because means nothing to the rest of us. Welcome! Aloha, Kitty From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Jun 27 01:48:23 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 27 01:49:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] steel in space (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Now where did I put that hammer, the one >I use for beating on steel? Well Grant, unless you inherited that hammer from your grandfather or so, it might me slightly radioactive. LOL Great post Bill! But then again: http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.shtml http://www.alamut.com/proj/98/nuclearGarden/bookTexts/Lovelock_Oklo.html Nature was at it 2.000.000.000 years ago, apparently ;-))) Axel On 6/26/05, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi there, > > I seldom contribute, and this is off topic. But many of us are interested > in astronomy and science, so here goes. I wrote this inspired by the book > by Dan van der Vat. > > By terms of the armistice of 1918 ending the First World War, > the German High Seas Fleet was interned by the British at Scapa Flow in the > Orkney Islands. Seventy-four ships were anchored there, together with > skeleton German crews, led by Rear Admiral Ludwig von Reuter. On 21 June > 1919, as an act of protest, the crews deliberately scuttled the entire > fleet, sending 59 vessels permanently to the bottom. Many of the ships > were eventually salvaged, but several, including two battleships and three > heavy cruisers, sunk in waters too deep for them to be raised. > Since 1945 all steel exposed to the atmosphere has contained > traces of radioactivity due to atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons, as > well as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The most delicate > instruments designed to measure subatomic particles require > radioactivity-free materials, so a small industry has developed to "mine" > the High Seas Fleet scuttled ships for high-quality steel free of > radioactivity: their entombment underwater has kept them from radioactive > contamination. Steel from this source has been used in scientific > spacecraft, and thus remnants from the High Seas Fleet now rest on the Moon > and are on their way into interstellar space. We have beaten our swords > into plowshares, and flung them at the stars. > > Aloha, Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 08:00:01 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jun 27 08:00:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: photos & subject change (was Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050626154948.025eac30@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <20050627150002.87255.qmail@web51013.mail.yahoo.com> There are a few photos from that area (not that particular trip, but from a trip I made with Kitty last month) on my website www.sauktown.com Just follow the links- Field trips then Kilauea. That was a great report, Kitty. Wish I could have been there! We saw a lot last month with you, but apparently there's so much more! Jim --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > At 02:41 PM 6/26/2005, Neal Hazen wrote: > >Hi folks, and, "Wow"! Green with envy, sittin' > right here, tappin' on > >keys. Have you, perchance taken any photos you'd > care to share? I enjoyed > >your colorful descriptions, but having never been > to Hawaii (a condition > >unlikely to change), a photo safari would been very > much appreciated. > > Hi Neal & List, > > I do have photos, and am hoping that as we > transition to new leadership > this summer we will develop a website where list > members can post pictures. > > Also an administration pointer for you as a new > member (and reminder to > those who are not new): Please change the topic in > the Subject line to > match your theme. This is especially important for > those on the Digest, > because means nothing to the rest > of us. > > Welcome! > > Aloha, Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 12:34:14 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jun 27 12:34:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050627193414.27315.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> As promised, I showed the pictures to the people in the booth next to mine at the Bloomington, IN show this past weekend. They positively identified the locality as Lime City Quarry, Lime City, Wood County, Ohio. Hey were quite sure of it, because they most likely collected that specimen themselves! They are the only ones permitted to collect in that quarry, and have been doing so commercially for quite a few years. In addition, they told me they had had a specimen of this material analyzed, and it was shown to be celestine all the way through. Both the clear blue and the opaque white are celestine. Conditions may have changed during the crystal growth to cause the change in habit. THey also mentioned that the clear colorless crystals in the middle of the termination faces is probably cerussite. Jim Daly --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi people, > > last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: > Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite > Wood County, Ohia > > The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather > big and I heard that > there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a > slide that I made of the > specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have > knowledge of the Wood county > quarries and are willing to help me find the right > location: please write me > off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. > Also there seems to be some debate whether it is > strontianite after > celestite or aragonite after celestite. > The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal > habit, not unlike aragonite, > but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white > fluorescence (under all > wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the > crystals and quite zoned. > There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence > that lasts for a few > seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bova at mindspring.com Mon Jun 27 15:56:57 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Mon Jun 27 15:56:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Offer to post Rockhounds pictures In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050626154948.025eac30@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: If anyone on the list wants to post pictures, I can set up an 'article' in the Eclectic Lapidary each month with the picture and any text you'd like to accompany it. It would be in the free access section, and available to anyone without registering, signing in or subscribing to the members only section. Just forward the text and pic preferably in jpg or gif format saved at high quality (8 on photoshop) to me at editor@eclecticlapidary.com Maximum width is 580, with unlimited length, and if necessary, I can resize, but it might lose a little quality in the process. I'll title it Rockhounds List Pictures for openers, so you'll know where to look for it in the current issue or archives. If I'm not traveling, it'll go up the same day. I'll include the sign up instructions on the page, so it might attract a few new members. Carol Carol J. Bova http://www.eclecticlapidary.com Re: [Rockhounds] Re: photos & subject change (was Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30) On Sunday, June 26, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Hi Neal & List, > > I do have photos, and am hoping that as we transition to new > leadership this summer we will develop a website where list members > can post pictures. > Aloha, Kitty > ________________________________________ From scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com Mon Jun 27 16:18:24 2005 From: scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com (Scott Kleine, Great Basin Minerals) Date: Mon Jun 27 16:14:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Cornish's 2005 Idaho Heulandite Dig Report- References: Message-ID: <02dd01c57b6e$87a7d770$df124ed1@gbm> Hello All, I was fortunate to be invited to help my good friend John Cornish dig at his Heulandite mine in Custer County, Idaho. John and I had a great time and I took lots of great pictures. I have turned these into a fun field trip report on John. Here's the link- http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Collecting%20Reports/June%202005%20John%20Cornish%20Heulandite%20Dig/June%202005%20John%20Cornish%20Idaho%20Heulandite%20Dig%20Page.htm All the best! Scott Kleine- Great Basin Minerals www.greatbasinminerals.com scottkleine@greatbasinminerals.com From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 27 15:06:32 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 27 17:07:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Cornish's 2005 Idaho Heulandite Dig Report- References: <02dd01c57b6e$87a7d770$df124ed1@gbm> Message-ID: <001e01c57b64$821b4b20$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Scott, Thanks for the report and GREAT photos! John, Next time you need help at the dig I can be there in about 8 hours! John Siebel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Kleine, Great Basin Minerals" > I was fortunate to be invited to help my good friend John Cornish dig at > his Heulandite mine in Custer County, Idaho. From geenet2 at mchsi.com Mon Jun 27 20:27:28 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jun 27 20:27:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Hawaii envy References: <20050627004134.84608.qmail@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c57b91$4fce9460$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Neal, anytime you want to see pictures of Hawaii, come over to our house. We took about a thousand on our 3 week tour a few years ago. I have some of them up on the web on HPPhoto, but the rest are either on CD, or in a box right here in my computer room. Maybe you'd like to see our three hours of video. We can't seem to get the rest of the family to sit still thru it. ;-] Jeanette and Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Hazen" To: Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30 > > > Hi folks, and, "Wow"! Green with envy, sittin' right here, tappin' on > keys. Have you, perchance taken any photos you'd care to share? I enjoyed > your colorful descriptions, but having never been to Hawaii (a condition > unlikely to change), a photo safari would been very much appreciated. > > Neal Hazen From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jun 28 15:26:48 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 28 15:04:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quick Trip Report -- WI and MI Message-ID: <42C1C96C.5E36@Tomaszewski.net> I'll be doing a longer trip report after we get sorted out and I find my notes, but I wanted to share a couple highlights in case any of you are going to Keweenaw Days. A week ago my wife and I drove from Grand Rapids, MI, to Muskegon, and took the new high speed ferry across Lake Michigan to Milwaukee. We Rockhounded our way up thru Wisconsin. One of our highlights was coming across an ostrich ranch as we traveled the backroads between collecting locations. We found rocks and minerals too, but details will have to wait. From WI we headed into the Keweenaw Peninsula in upper MI. We managed to get to the Seaman Museum late Friday afternoon before they closed, and had time to quickly see the exhibits (before they closed for the weekend; they will be open Saturdays during the summer starting this coming weekend). I had the pleasure of chatting with Dr. George Robinson for a while, and he gave me a couple tips I thought worth sharing. One was that the local Houghton gravel company (behind the mall on 41) had found a copper 'nugget' about 2 x 5 x 8 ft in size in their gravel pit. They currently have it located near their scale-house, and had no objections to our walking in to see it. I hope the film picture taken of me on top of it comes out since I could not bring it home for my front yard. The other was that the local rock club took a 'dozer into the Cliff Mine dump and turned the piles, all the way to the tops, a couple weeks ago. The local club found a bunch of 'fans' that day, but we didn't find any. We did find some great copper and prehenite specimens before the heat, black flies, the weight of our collecting packs, and the miles we had to travel that night before sleeping, told us we had to reluctantly hike back out and leave. We found some fun stuff thru the iron country, and even found some great talc specimens at the Ropes Gold Mine. We found an open limestone quarry on 94 that was only posted 'No Shooting' and found a few small vuggy blocks on the floor (the walls were not in a condition you wanted to go near), and some fossils. 1,600 some miles (not counting the lake crossing), and over a dozen good collecting locations. I'll have a more complete report in a few days. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jun 28 15:33:28 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 28 15:11:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] road trip: east coast to west, looking for routes References: <20050626144451.5C42FA1046@marbella.infowest.com> <42BEC5F1.4080007@att.net> Message-ID: <42C1CAFB.6D25@Tomaszewski.net> Don, You probably already thought of it, but did you ask MapQuest for driving directions? BTW, getting directions in two parts (east to somewhere specific in the middle, and from their to the west) for long trips often gives a better route than asking for the long haul in one try. Kreigh Don H wrote: > > Margaret Malm wrote: > > Have you considered checking with AAA? > > Margaret > > Hi, > > My parents are buying me a AAA Plus membership as a present. Yes I > think I will use them. However, the one time I used them for a road > trip, I wasn't too happy with the results. I will combine their advice > with the fine advice I have received here. > > I think I will stick with the Route 90 method. So far I have decided I > will pack the moving van on Thurs., make Pittsburgh on Friday, and > transit the upper eastern Midwest over the weekend. By Monday, I should > be well west of places like Chicago where there is a lot of traffic. I > have a lot of good advice now and there seems to be a general consensus > of what to do. I still haven't planned out what to do west of > Pittsburgh, but that won't be too difficult now. I was planning on > taking a leisurely trip of 5 days, but really, according to what I > learned from YahooMaps and the people here, I should be able to do it in > 4 days. > > Best to all, > > Don Halterman From scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com Tue Jun 28 21:15:42 2005 From: scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com (Scott Kleine, Great Basin Minerals) Date: Tue Jun 28 21:12:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] WATCH for Space Fireworks on the 4th of July! Message-ID: <03ce01c57c61$39f7a4d0$df124ed1@gbm> Hello all, Here's some very cool news for fans of outerspace- http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/28jun_deepimpact.htm?list176780 Happy 4th! Scott From stonesong at copper.net Tue Jun 28 21:36:48 2005 From: stonesong at copper.net (Reed Schilbach) Date: Tue Jun 28 21:36:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver colored wire search References: <219.2b6f57f.2fde38cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c57c64$2ab4e840$1166f204@reed> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver colored wire search > Needed some help locating the company that made this wire and the wire > content if possible. The wire was included in the estate sale with other > jewelry and > rock supplies and equipment. The square wire is in 10 ft coiled rolls, > approximately 8 to 12 gauge, 1/16 to 1/8 inch thick. The four rolls are in > clear > bags marked, T3-4380, T3-4370, T3-3340 and T3- 3370. Other supplies in the > boxes > were marked "Grieger's" and with several other companies I know are no > longer > in business. If anyone has an old catalogue please check to see if these > numbers are listed for square wire. Any help would be appreciated, > Thanks!...Don... > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From stonesong at copper.net Tue Jun 28 21:58:05 2005 From: stonesong at copper.net (Reed Schilbach) Date: Tue Jun 28 21:58:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver colored wire search References: <219.2b6f57f.2fde38cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c57c67$244e15a0$1166f204@reed> Hello Don Saw your posting on the rochound list Your wire numbers look very much like the ones TSI here in Seattle uses to code their wire. I did not see the exact numbers in their catalog, Nor did I see any square wire except in sterling. But.... Here are some examples that lead me to believe that your wire may have come from here: Square Sterling wire T2-2230 18ga ..... T2-2240 16ga....... T2-2250 14ga.......T2-2260 12ga......T2-2270 10ga .....T2-2280 8ga Sterling Triangle T2 2300 18ga T2 2310 10ga T2 2330 6ga T2 2350 2ga Nickel Silver Half Round T3-3240 16g T3- 3250 14g T3-3260 12ga T3-3270 10ga T3-3280 8ga You can reach them to inquire further at !-800-426-998 I hope this helps with the mystery Sincerely, ...Reed Schilbach... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Silver colored wire search > Needed some help locating the company that made this wire and the wire > content if possible. The wire was included in the estate sale with other > jewelry and > rock supplies and equipment. The square wire is in 10 ft coiled rolls, > approximately 8 to 12 gauge, 1/16 to 1/8 inch thick. The four rolls are in > clear > bags marked, T3-4380, T3-4370, T3-3340 and T3- 3370. Other supplies in the > boxes > were marked "Grieger's" and with several other companies I know are no > longer > in business. If anyone has an old catalogue please check to see if these > numbers are listed for square wire. Any help would be appreciated, > Thanks!...Don... > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 06:27:10 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jun 29 06:27:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Micromineral price list and new field trip report Message-ID: <20050629132710.49334.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> I've posted a new update to the price list on www.sauktown.com This month there is a new shipment of material from the Palermo #1 Mine in New Hampshire, mostly restock of species that had been sold out. If you missed out on any of these, now is the time to recheck the list! There are also some phosphates from the Siglo XX Mine in Bolivia, and a few of the less common minerals from the Christmas Mine in Arizona. I've also posted a field trip report with lots of pictures from our recent trip to the Big Island of Hawaii. These cover the lava fields of Kilauea. The text of the report is by Kitty Heacox of Hilo, Hawaii, who took us there. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 29 07:22:23 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 29 07:22:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: <20050627193414.27315.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim, I'll forward this to the guy I bought it from. He way want to re-label the stuff in view to this new knowledge. It is quite atypical stuff and I doubt that there ae many other quarries that produce the same kind of specimen. Thanks again. Johan, I'll take the acid test now ;-)))) Does aragonite fizzle in cold diluted HCl? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jim Daly Verzonden: maandag 27 juni 2005 21:34 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods As promised, I showed the pictures to the people in the booth next to mine at the Bloomington, IN show this past weekend. They positively identified the locality as Lime City Quarry, Lime City, Wood County, Ohio. Hey were quite sure of it, because they most likely collected that specimen themselves! They are the only ones permitted to collect in that quarry, and have been doing so commercially for quite a few years. In addition, they told me they had had a specimen of this material analyzed, and it was shown to be celestine all the way through. Both the clear blue and the opaque white are celestine. Conditions may have changed during the crystal growth to cause the change in habit. THey also mentioned that the clear colorless crystals in the middle of the termination faces is probably cerussite. Jim Daly --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi people, > > last month I acquired a specimen that was labeled: > Aragonite, pseudomorph after celestite > Wood County, Ohia > > The Ohia is probably Ohio, but Wood county is rather > big and I heard that > there are numerous quarries there. I have scanned a > slide that I made of the > specimen under SW-UV. Those of you who have > knowledge of the Wood county > quarries and are willing to help me find the right > location: please write me > off list and I'll reply with the photo attached. > Also there seems to be some debate whether it is > strontianite after > celestite or aragonite after celestite. > The crystals appear to have a pseudo hexagonal > habit, not unlike aragonite, > but are clearly tapered. The strong blue-white > fluorescence (under all > wavelengths) is confined to the outer parts of the > crystals and quite zoned. > There is an unusually strong green phosphorescence > that lasts for a few > seconds and then fades to a more "normal" level. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From JScully216 at aol.com Wed Jun 29 14:58:31 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:59:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rociada Lepidolite -- a trip report Message-ID: <7d.6c3dc90f.2ff47387@aol.com> Rociada Lepidolite General: I've been exploring my new home area here in Las Vegas, NM for the past several weeks. One of the first places I located is an old lithium mine in the national forest outside of Rociada. The best pieces are found on the dumps above the ore bin. I found some nice pieces of pale, solid, small grained lepidolite and some large hunks of pegmatite in which are found inclusions of lepidolite, some with fairly large crystal size. There is an old road above the bin which winds back and forth across the steep mountain side. If you follow it up the mountain, you will come to a cut through some large boulders containing lepidolite. Take a 8 or 12 ledge is you want to get at this rock. Take a small shovel or trowl and a rock hammer or 3 pound sledge to dig through the dumps and break up the bigger pieces you find. I did find a few pieces of almost red and very bright lepidolite. There are also lots of nice yard rock sized pieces. Footnote: There is a little meadow just before you get to the ore bin. Next to it is a pond. A road leads off to the left as you are heading up hill to the ore bin. This road is blocked by fallen trees, so you cannot drive up it. But, just a short walk (maybe 1/10 of a mile) you will come to an old mining shack. Just up the hill from the shack is a small open pit copper mine. It might fun to explore. The area around the open pit is very dangerous both because of the fragile nature of the rim as well as lots of old barbed wire which threatens to tangle ones' feet and cause a plunge into the pit. I didn't find much of interest there besides the great old shack. Be careful if you go there. Please read _Release of Liability_ (http://www.feraloldguy.com/disclaim.htm) before proceeding. Directions: >From Las Vegas, NM take 518 to Sapello. Take a left onto 94, and just past Tierra Monte, keep going onto 105. Go through Pendaries to Rociada. After Pendaries, you will pass a county trash transfer station on the right and come to a fork. Keep to the left and go through Rociada. Keep going another 3 to 4 miles until you come to another fork and a sign on the right saying "End of State Maintenance". Bear to the right. Go a mile or so into national forest. At a curve in the road you will come to the ore bin. Park and explore. >From Taos, take 518 south to Mora. Take a right on 94 through Ledoux and down to 105 where you will take a right. This is a totally beautiful drive and worth it just for that. You shouldn't need a four wheel drive for this trip, but a high clearance is recommended. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JScully216 at aol.com Wed Jun 29 14:59:55 2005 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:00:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hondo Canyou Staurolites Message-ID: Hondo Canyon Staurolites Fairy Crosses Tears of Christ General: I've been exploring my new home area here in Las Vegas, NM for the past several weeks. One of the first places I explored the staurolite district in Hondo Canyon south of Taos. This district is cited in Gem Trails of New Mexico. I spent 3 days camping in the area and walking many miles into and about the mountains abutting the North East side of the Canyon. I found many deposits of garnet and staurolite bearing schist with beautiful crosses weathered out and in matrix. The largest cross is about an inch across. About 98% of the crosses are the 60 degree/120 degree type, and the other 2% are the symmetrical 90/90 degree type which people prize. All you need is a trowel and a rock hammer. If you want to find good specimens, take to the woods and climb the hills. Look for garnet and micaceous soil and you will soon find the crosses. You will need a back pack and lots of water. A GPS is a total necessity because the woods are thick and you can lose your bearings within 25 yards. I even used my GPS to locate my back pack where I left it when pausing to explore a particular patch of slope. The terrain is steep and treacherous with lots of loose rock on steep slopes not to mention lots of cactus and yucca to stumble onto. Also, it is rattle snake country. So great care must be taken. There are two types of rock in the mountains about the valley -- quartzsite and schist, and the mountains seem to be either one or the other. If you find yourself on a quartzsite slope, just keep going and you'll come to a schist slope. To illustrate the absolute necessity for a GPS, let me relate this story. On my last day, I went on a wander. I headed pretty much East and slogged for about 90 minutes over some very difficult quartzsite slopes. I found a game trail which took me down into a lush valley and up the side of another mountain which was full of schist and crosses. I wandered this area picking up nice pieces for several hours. I figured I knew where I was and, when rain threatened, headed down a wonderful old road totally sure I was heading in the right direction. After 30 minutes, I knew something was wrong and turned on both my GPSs -- my old Etrex and my new back up Rino. Etrex had me a mile to the south west of where my camp was -- somehow I had wandered all the way back in the direction from which I had started out in plus a mile beyond. The Rino had my camp about 1/3 of a mile in the direction I thought had been the correct one and seemed to be confirming my own, it turns out, screwed up sense of direction. Somehow, in doing a waypoint on the campsite in the morning I had screwed up one or the other of these GPSs. Etrex has never let me down, so against my own sense of direction, I followed it for a mile through the worst kind country. It took me right to my camp!!!!! Since the Rino is new, I had somehow screwed it up, so another reading of the instruction book is in order. Without the GPS is would have been lost in this rugged country. I also had a very pleasant human encounter. About 6:30 after a long day I was at my camp site having a beer and up drives a big SUV with the Taos County Sheriff sign on the side. This is a very rugged road and, being a week day, I totally did not expect visitors in this remote place not to mention the sheriff. My first thought was, of course, good lord, what have I done. The deputy gets out of the SUV and introduces himself as Steve Miera who turns out to be a totally pleasant young man whose wife is a rockhound. We chatted for 10 minutes and I gave him for his wife a nice 90/90 degree cross and a piece of lepidolite that I had just dug in Rociada. In turn, he gave me directions to a location along the Rio Grande gorge where some pretty but unidentified rocks are to be found. I asked him why the Sheriff was so far out in the woods, and it turns out that the forest service contracts with the sheriff's department to patrol this remote piece of the national forest. He also told me that the local people call the staurolites the Tears of Christ. What a nice name!! Directions: The Gem Trails directions are accurate to an extent. From Pilar on rte 64 (it is south of Taos) go north to the mile marker 33. Just past the marker to the right is the forest access road. Take a right onto the road and start up it. The large rock that Gem Trails says is in the middle of the road after several 10ths of a mile has been moved, so this is not a barrier. It is a very rugged road and only a high clearance 4WD vehicle can make the trip up it. However, it is doable assuming that there have not been major rains swelling the small creek that runs along, across, and in a few places, in the road. Go about 1 mile to the Forest Service gate. The FS usually closes these gates in the winter, so if taking a trip after September or October it would be best to call the Carson National Forest people and ask about the Hondo Canyon road. Proceed through the gate another 1.2 miles until you get to a small meadow on the right. At this point the road crosses the creek again, and immediately after the creek is an impassable bog. Don't try to cross it. Park in the meadow before the creek. It is also a lovely place to camp, with huge ponderosas, and being on National Forest land, camping is totally permissible. Just across the creek is the meadow that Gem Trails cites as the starting point for collecting. You will find a small arroyo which leads East (left) into the steep hills. You will find a huge deposit, a whole hill, of schist loaded with black inclusions which seem to be mica. My first day I looked for 30 minutes in this deposit for crosses and found none. Gem Trails is misleading in this case -- it seems to tell you this is the place to find them. As I said above, take to the woods. I'd walk a half a mile or so further up the road looking for micaceous soil in the road bed and garnets in the rock along the road. Then head up the steep slopes into the woods East (to the left) of the road. Good luck. Please read _Release of Liability_ (http://www.feraloldguy.com/disclaim.htm) before proceeding. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mineral.maertens at att.net Wed Jun 29 15:05:52 2005 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (mineral.maertens@att.net) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:05:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods Message-ID: <062920052205.23755.42C31B4000029C3200005CCB21603762239C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> > > Johan, I'll take the acid test now ;-)))) Do not put the shower on hot! > Does aragonite fizzle in cold diluted HCl? Yes it does, celestine will not. Do you fizzle with cold undiluted Duvel? > THey also mentioned that the clear colorless crystals in the middle of the termination faces is probably cerussite. ??? Cerussite? Where does the lead come from? I differ with that identification. Johan From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 29 15:26:23 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:26:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: <062920052205.23755.42C31B4000029C3200005CCB21603762239C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> Message-ID: >>Do you fizzle with cold undiluted Duvel? Yes, out of my ears if I'm not careful... > THey also mentioned that the clear colorless crystals in the middle of the termination faces is probably cerussite. >>??? Cerussite? Where does the lead come from? I differ with that identification. I frown too... (which makes it painfully clear that I have a short skin. My toes curl up when I frown. Or maybe it's the sun... Hothot and thunderstorms all day long here) You'd suspect a sulfate there, no a carbonate. How strange. Axel From sally-westside at comcast.net Wed Jun 29 16:03:18 2005 From: sally-westside at comcast.net (Sally Post) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:03:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] SW WA Along the Columbia Message-ID: <003301c57cfe$bd1d2b30$de131118@c940469a> Hello all! Anyone know if there are any interesting rocks, minerals, etc in this area? I will be in the area on and off now and would like to dig around a bit? Any recommendations, say from the Cathlamet area to Ilwaco? Thanks Sally --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 29 16:34:12 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:31:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rouckhounding near Detroit? References: <67.476b8bc3.2feaf3d1@aol.com> Message-ID: <42C32F35.166F@Tomaszewski.net> Eric, As you probably know, most of Michigan's Lower Peninsula is sedimentary rock (not a lot of minerals), and most of the rock is covered with glacial gravel. I am not aware of any open mines or quarries for collecting on the east side of the state, though some members of our local club (Indian Mounds, Wyoming, MI) have gone on trips to some 'closed' locations via trips arranged by one of the clubs around Detroit. The U of M in Dearborne has an exhibit in their Science building that is pretty good and tours can be arranged in advance (313-436-9129 per the notes I have). I believe their exhibit in Ann Arbor is better (www.exhibits.lsa.umich.edu). Cranbrook Institute is worth visiting (www.cranbrook.edu) in Bloomfield Hills. The Woolsmith Quarry near Maybee, in Monroe County, has produced some of the finest sulfur crystals in the world. You might try contacting the Michigan Stone and Supply Company for access. They also have a reputation for fine celestine. The Detroit Salt Company (aka, International Salt Company) in Wayne County has one of the biggest salt mines, and it is also known for quartz. You might want to obtain a copy of Mineralogy of Michigan by E.W. Heinrich (revised/updated by George W. Robinson) from the Seaman Museum as it documents each mineral found in the state and where it is documented as being found by county (and often specific locations/mines/quarries). Dropping down from Detroit into upper Indiana/Ohio will find you some fossil collecting locations along roadsides. Going up towards the 'thumb' of Michigan has more collecting locations in the literature (such as the Wallace Stone Plant in Bayport that has Millerite in geodes). You might want to check out the Clubs in the area (www.amfed.org) and contact them for help. I wish I could give you something better, but I don't get to the east side of the state very often. Hopefully this might give you some leads, and maybe someone more familiar with the Detroit area (and the east side of the state) can jump in with something specific. Kreigh Alpen@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm fairly new to the list and had been just reading the emails. It's > humbling, as I love hunting for interesting rocks, but I realize after reading all > the emails that I have very little geology and mineral knowledge. So it's fun > for me and I know I'll learn a lot, and hopefully I'll be able to contribute > something of value to the list at some point. > > Anyway, I have a meeting in September, in Detroit, and I was wondering if > there were any interesting rockhounding sites within a couple hours of Detroit > that would be worth spending an extra day in that area? I enjoy collecting > agates, jaspers and other silicate rocks. Also, if there are any good areas for > arrowhead point hunting, I also enjoy those. > > Cheers, > Eric From rgangue at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 16:37:39 2005 From: rgangue at yahoo.com (Stan Perry) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:37:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent out of the Woods In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050629233739.28958.qmail@web54206.mail.yahoo.com> > > THey also mentioned that the clear colorless > crystals in the middle of the > termination faces is probably cerussite. > > >>??? Cerussite? Where does the lead come from? I > differ with that > identification. > I doubt that ID also having seen hundreds of specimens from the quarry. Stan Stan Perry Our Gangue Minerals www.emineralshow.com Ebay seller ID rgangue e-mail at rgangue@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com